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Please use this thread to discuss the 2022 Women's DI-III College Lacrosse Season


Previous Posts from the 2021-2022 College Season thread:

Who wins it this year? Does North repeat as Tew winner? What players emerge to lead teams vs last year? Who will lead the freshmen class(lots of redshirts last year)?


Comes down to who wins the duel between Hall and Moreno. Great goalie play making a difference in the tourney in a key spot has been the key to the last two champs (Megan Taylor and UMD in 2019 and Rachel Hall as discussed here).

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Who wins it this year? Does North repeat as Tew winner? What players emerge to lead teams vs last year? Who will lead the freshmen class(lots of redshirts last year)?

It is doubtful that BC Repeats as Champions.

I think UNC is the favorite, regardless of the rankings.

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Would be shocked if both UNC and BC don't make the Final Four. Would also be shocked if either Cuse, UNC or BC don't win it all. It comes down to who gets hot down the stretch of the season. UNC as always will have the best talent but do they play unselfishly as a team and can they overcome their average coaching?
Originally Posted by TheBackOfTheCage
Please use this thread to discuss the 2022 Women's DI-III College Lacrosse Season


Previous Posts from the 2021-2022 College Season thread:

Who wins it this year? Does North repeat as Tew winner? What players emerge to lead teams vs last year? Who will lead the freshmen class(lots of redshirts last year)?


Comes down to who wins the duel between Hall and Moreno. Great goalie play making a difference in the tourney in a key spot has been the key to the last two champs (Megan Taylor and UMD in 2019 and Rachel Hall as discussed here).

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Who wins it this year? Does North repeat as Tew winner? What players emerge to lead teams vs last year? Who will lead the freshmen class(lots of redshirts last year)?

It is doubtful that BC Repeats as Champions.

I think UNC is the favorite, regardless of the rankings.

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Would be shocked if both UNC and BC don't make the Final Four. Would also be shocked if either Cuse, UNC or BC don't win it all. It comes down to who gets hot down the stretch of the season. UNC as always will have the best talent but do they play unselfishly as a team and can they overcome their average coaching?

Syracuse will not be in the Final Four, North Carolina does not always have the most talent, UNC is very unselfish, UNC coaching will above average.
16 of the best programs over the past 10 years are in the preseason Top 20 and 16 of the best 22 programs over the past 5 years are in the preseason top 20. UConn, Jacksonville, Drexel and Rutgers are the only new comers or non traditional Top 20 programs that are getting some attention due to their performance in 2021. I do not believe any of those teams except Rutgers would have finish in the Top 20 last year if the Ivy's were in action and the BIG 10 played out of conference games.

Conclusion, the game has grown, the athleticism and skills have improved across the board but in the end the majority of the best players tend to go to the traditional Top 20 programs. Going forward I think Clemson will become competitive quickly, Michigan will continue to be a Top 20 program, Dartmouth will continue to push Princeton and Penn and will most likely be the third IVY to consistently be ranked and make the tournament. USC should be back in the Top 20. Drexel did look good last year but they lost their coach so who knows. Not sure what the deal is at Penn State they had a strong freshmen class last year but they lost some players. Has Duke stopped their slide? Will the Blue Devils be back to being a Top 10 Program? Does Maryland get back to the Final Four? Can BC repeat? Will first year Syracuse Coach guide The Orange to The Final Four? Will the Ivy's be rusty after being off for so long? Don't think Stony Brook will be Top 5 at the end of the Season.

Anyone have a dark horse they think will surprise?

Good luck to all.

NIKE/USA LACROSSE
DIVISION I WOMEN’S PRESEASON TOP 20

​​1. Boston College
2. North Carolina
3. Syracuse
4. Northwestern
5. Stony Brook
6. Maryland
7. Notre Dame
8. Duke
9. Loyola
10. Florida
11. Virginia
12. James Madison
13. Princeton
14. Stanford
15. Denver
16. Rutgers
17. Drexel
18. Jacksonville
19. UConn
20. Penn

Also considered (alphabetical order): Johns Hopkins, Louisville, Michigan, Penn State, Richmond, Temple



Below is cut and paste from previous thread ...

looking back over the past 10 seasons not a lot has changed. There have been a total of 40 programs that have finished the season ranked in the Top 20.

20 programs have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 five times or more over the past 10 seasons. They are:

10 - UNC
10 - Maryland
10 - Boston College
10 - Northwestern
10 - Florida
10 - Virginia
10 - Syracuse
10 - Princeton (actual 9, they did not compete in 2021 but no reason to believe they would not have been top 20)
10 - Penn (see Princeton above :-) )

9 - Stony Brook
9 - Notre Dame

8 - Loyola

7 - Penn State
7 - UMass

6 - Duke
6 - JMU
6 - Denver

5 - Stanford
5 - Dartmouth
5 - Hopkins

Several teams have finished 1 X and some others 2 or 3 times but none are consistently ranked.

Looking at just the past 5 seasons not much has changed...

36 programs have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 over the past 5 years.

22 of those programs have finished in the Top 20 more than once during that 5 years. They are:

5 - UNC
5 - Maryland
5 - Boston College
5 - Northwestern
5 - Florida
5 - Virginia
5 - Syracuse
5 - Princeton (see above)
5 - Penn ( see above)
5 - JMU
5 - Stony Brook

4 - Notre Dame
4 - Loyola
4 - Denver

3 - UMass
3 - Navy
3 - Colorado

3 - Dartmouth (see Penn and Princeton above)

2 - Stanford
2 - Michigan
2 - USC
2 - Duke

Penn State and Hopkins have fallen off a bit while Navy, Colorado, USC and Michigan appear to be on the rise.
In the first couple weekends we should know a lot about the old guard, and most importantly know if there will be some new challengers. SU v Stanford, NW v BC, UNC v JMU to name a few.

I also think Duke and Princeton are going to be much improved.

Who are the surprise players that need to step up for teams to win-we know North, Smith, Hall , Ortega, Masteroni, trenchard, Carney, Cooper, Hawyschuck, Scane, Sears, Donovan, Jenner, All these players have to play well we know even for team to have a chance.
Very well said. Beginning of season will say a lot about how teams stack up in 2022. The Big 3 of UNC, Cuse and BC have a clear edge based on performance last year and talent returning. But each also have a few key questions that have to be answered. All 3 great on the draw. Cuse is so talented on the offensive side of ball but how will playing philosophy change under Treanor and Kent. They also lost few key defenders in Simpkins and Defliese and have a new goalie. UNC absolutely loaded with talent all over the field but how well will ball move on offense with loss of Hoeg. They also lost 3 great defenders and added a few new middies in Aldave and Dirk's so chemistry might take a while to develop. Lots of alphas on offense at UNC - will they play "me ball" or will they gel especially in the big games. BC midlfield was a bit thin last year and they lost Court Weeks. They also lost Urbank who was one of best all-round attackers in the game. Do think their defense will be very good this year. Think teams like Florida, ND and SB take a step back this year. See Princeton, Duke, MD rounding out the Top 6 but will take time for them to prove themselves based on strength of schedule.
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In the first couple weekends we should know a lot about the old guard, and most importantly know if there will be some new challengers. SU v Stanford, NW v BC, UNC v JMU to name a few.

I also think Duke and Princeton are going to be much improved.

Who are the surprise players that need to step up for teams to win-we know North, Smith, Hall , Ortega, Masteroni, trenchard, Carney, Cooper, Hawyschuck, Scane, Sears, Donovan, Jenner, All these players have to play well we know even for team to have a chance.

If last year taught us anything, it is that it’s a long season and you have to let it play out. Nobody would have predicted BC winning early in the season when they were blown out by UNC and Syracuse. I would love to see some non traditional programs make some noise but I think we will see many of the usual teams in the Top 10.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very well said. Beginning of season will say a lot about how teams stack up in 2022. The Big 3 of UNC, Cuse and BC have a clear edge based on performance last year and talent returning. But each also have a few key questions that have to be answered. All 3 great on the draw. Cuse is so talented on the offensive side of ball but how will playing philosophy change under Treanor and Kent. They also lost few key defenders in Simpkins and Defliese and have a new goalie. UNC absolutely loaded with talent all over the field but how well will ball move on offense with loss of Hoeg. They also lost 3 great defenders and added a few new middies in Aldave and Dirk's so chemistry might take a while to develop. Lots of alphas on offense at UNC - will they play "me ball" or will they gel especially in the big games. BC midlfield was a bit thin last year and they lost Court Weeks. They also lost Urbank who was one of best all-round attackers in the game. Do think their defense will be very good this year. Think teams like Florida, ND and SB take a step back this year. See Princeton, Duke, MD rounding out the Top 6 but will take time for them to prove themselves based on strength of schedule.

Northwestern will be in the mix.

As for the strength of schedule for Princeton, Duke and Maryland they all play relatively tough schedules. However, Duke does have a weak out of conference but obviously their ACC schedule is very difficult.

Here are there OOC schedules for Princeton, Duke and Maryland:

Princeton - Virginia, Temple, USC, San Diego State, Penn State, Loyola, Stony Brook, Maryland.

Maryland - St Josephs, Florida, Delaware, William & Mary, Villanova, JMU, Georgetown, Princeton.

Duke - Gardner Webb, Elon, William & Mary, High Point, Wofford, East Carolina, Penn, Davidson, Liberty.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very well said. Beginning of season will say a lot about how teams stack up in 2022. The Big 3 of UNC, Cuse and BC have a clear edge based on performance last year and talent returning. But each also have a few key questions that have to be answered. All 3 great on the draw. Cuse is so talented on the offensive side of ball but how will playing philosophy change under Treanor and Kent. They also lost few key defenders in Simpkins and Defliese and have a new goalie. UNC absolutely loaded with talent all over the field but how well will ball move on offense with loss of Hoeg. They also lost 3 great defenders and added a few new middies in Aldave and Dirk's so chemistry might take a while to develop. Lots of alphas on offense at UNC - will they play "me ball" or will they gel especially in the big games. BC midlfield was a bit thin last year and they lost Court Weeks. They also lost Urbank who was one of best all-round attackers in the game. Do think their defense will be very good this year. Think teams like Florida, ND and SB take a step back this year. See Princeton, Duke, MD rounding out the Top 6 but will take time for them to prove themselves based on strength of schedule.

Northwestern will be in the mix.

As for the strength of schedule for Princeton, Duke and Maryland they all play relatively tough schedules. However, Duke does have a weak out of conference but obviously their ACC schedule is very difficult.

Here are there OOC schedules for Princeton, Duke and Maryland:

Princeton - Virginia, Temple, USC, San Diego State, Penn State, Loyola, Stony Brook, Maryland.

Maryland - St Josephs, Florida, Delaware, William & Mary, Villanova, JMU, Georgetown, Princeton.

Duke - Gardner Webb, Elon, William & Mary, High Point, Wofford, East Carolina, Penn, Davidson, Liberty.

Notre Dame has been guilty of having a weak out of conference schedule in recent years but I think this years OOC schedule is Okay.

Stony Brook has really improved their out of conference schedule over the years , 2022 might be the toughest OOC ever. Should be interesting to see how they do.

With the addition of Pitt and Clemson ACC teams will have fewer OCC games on their schedule in the future.
Stony Brook to join CAA
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Stony Brook to join CAA
Monmouth as well
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Stony Brook to join CAA
Monmouth as well

Where will JMU go? Will they stay inn the CAA for Lacrosse?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook to join CAA
Monmouth as well

Where will JMU go? Will they stay inn the CAA for Lacrosse?

They have joined the Sunbelt Conference - along with Old Dominion

https://www.jmu.edu/news/2021/11/05-sunbelt-announcement.shtml
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Stony Brook to join CAA
Monmouth as well

Where will JMU go? Will they stay inn the CAA for Lacrosse?

They have joined the Sunbelt Conference - along with Old Dominion

https://www.jmu.edu/news/2021/11/05-sunbelt-announcement.shtml

I do not believe The Sun Belt Conference has women’s lacrosse.
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Stony Brook to join CAA
Monmouth as well

Where will JMU go? Will they stay inn the CAA for Lacrosse?

They have joined the Sunbelt Conference - along with Old Dominion

https://www.jmu.edu/news/2021/11/05-sunbelt-announcement.shtml

I do not believe The Sun Belt Conference has women’s lacrosse.

They will need to find a new lacrosse conference as the CAA has removed all JMU sports from theirconference. JMU womens lacrosse will play a CAA conference schedule this year but are not eligible for the CAA playoffs. The only way they get to NCAA's is through an at large bid
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook to join CAA
Monmouth as well

Where will JMU go? Will they stay inn the CAA for Lacrosse?

They have joined the Sunbelt Conference - along with Old Dominion

https://www.jmu.edu/news/2021/11/05-sunbelt-announcement.shtml

I do not believe The Sun Belt Conference has women’s lacrosse.

They do not. I believe JMU, ODU and CCU will be only SB schools with WLAX. Presumably JMU will join a different conference for WLAX and FH. Which one remains to be seen.
Maybe the AAC would be a good fit for JMU, not sure where else. The CAA has done this before with conference playoffs/championships when schools announce they are leaving the conference. It seems a bit petty to me, yet once again in college sports we see kids being punished for something they have no have no control over.

JMU lacrosse should be fine, traditionally they are strong enough to make the NCAA Tournament without the automatic bid as they are one of the best programs year in and year out.
Although I dislike the whole Pre-Season thing, I will say congratulations to all who are recognized. Tar Heels should be tough to beat again this year... going out on a limb here picking UNC to win it all. : -)

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...-represented-led-by-nine-tar-heels/58797
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Although I dislike the whole Pre-Season thing, I will say congratulations to all who are recognized. Tar Heels should be tough to beat again this year... going out on a limb here picking UNC to win it all. : -)

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...-represented-led-by-nine-tar-heels/58797

Wow!!

North Carolina with 50% of the Top 10 players.... Goalie, Defender, 2 Midfielders and an Attacker... Obviously, they are the definite front runners again this year. Good luck to all teams.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/slideshow/2022-womens-tewaaraton-top-10-watch-list/163?slide=0
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe the AAC would be a good fit for JMU, not sure where else. The CAA has done this before with conference playoffs/championships when schools announce they are leaving the conference. It seems a bit petty to me, yet once again in college sports we see kids being punished for something they have no have no control over.

JMU lacrosse should be fine, traditionally they are strong enough to make the NCAA Tournament without the automatic bid as they are one of the best programs year in and year out.

JMU along with HPU have a lot more ability then most to get athletes through admissions.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe the AAC would be a good fit for JMU, not sure where else. The CAA has done this before with conference playoffs/championships when schools announce they are leaving the conference. It seems a bit petty to me, yet once again in college sports we see kids being punished for something they have no have no control over.

JMU lacrosse should be fine, traditionally they are strong enough to make the NCAA Tournament without the automatic bid as they are one of the best programs year in and year out.

JMU along with HPU have a lot more ability then most to get athletes through admissions.

What is the point/reason for your post? There are many programs that have the ability to get just about any athlete that they want through admissions? Why are you pointing to those two programs?
Whats going to happen to the AEC? Hartford left now SBU..
Preseason ILWomen - IWLCA Poll... Not much different than the other poll.

1 Boston College
2 North Carolina
3 Syracuse
4 Northwestern
5 Notre Dame
6 Stony Brook
7 Florida
8 Duke
9 Maryland
10 Loyola
11 Virginia
12 James Madison
13 Stanford
14 Denver
15 Princeton
16 Drexel
17 Rutgers
18 Jacksonville
19 Penn
20 Johns Hopkins
21 UConn
22 Temple
23 Michigan
24 UMass
25 Penn State


What teams not mentioned have a legit shot at being top 20 at the end of the season?

Dartmouth, USC, Colorado, Arizona State, Towson???

There are a lot of great early season OOC match ups should be fun to watch. Duke once again has weak OOC schedule.

Interested to see early season games.

Northwestern Vs BC
Maryland Vs UVA
Princeton Vs UVA
Syracuse Vs SBU
Florida Vs UNC
JMU Vs UNC

Good Luck to All
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the first couple weekends we should know a lot about the old guard, and most importantly know if there will be some new challengers. SU v Stanford, NW v BC, UNC v JMU to name a few.

I also think Duke and Princeton are going to be much improved.

Who are the surprise players that need to step up for teams to win-we know North, Smith, Hall , Ortega, Masteroni, trenchard, Carney, Cooper, Hawyschuck, Scane, Sears, Donovan, Jenner, All these players have to play well we know even for team to have a chance.

Gilbert wil lhave to step up for Northwestern with Scane out.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Preseason ILWomen - IWLCA Poll... Not much different than the other poll.

1 Boston College
2 North Carolina
3 Syracuse
4 Northwestern
5 Notre Dame
6 Stony Brook
7 Florida
8 Duke
9 Maryland
10 Loyola
11 Virginia
12 James Madison
13 Stanford
14 Denver
15 Princeton
16 Drexel
17 Rutgers
18 Jacksonville
19 Penn
20 Johns Hopkins
21 UConn
22 Temple
23 Michigan
24 UMass
25 Penn State


What teams not mentioned have a legit shot at being top 20 at the end of the season?

Dartmouth, USC, Colorado, Arizona State, Towson???

There are a lot of great early season OOC match ups should be fun to watch. Duke once again has weak OOC schedule.

Interested to see early season games.

Northwestern Vs BC
Maryland Vs UVA
Princeton Vs UVA
Syracuse Vs SBU
Florida Vs UNC
JMU Vs UNC

Good Luck to All

Stony Brook & JMU must win the majority of their non conference games or they risk missing the NCAA Tournament. Both play a tough non conference schedule so there is not a lot of wiggle room. This could be SBU’s toughest non conference schedule ever. Looks like 5-7 very tough games (UVA, Syracuse, Dartmouth, Florida, Northwestern, Hopkins, Princeton) as well as Hofstra, Brown and Arizona St which are all relatively competitive. If they lose to 5 of the first 7 named I don’t think they will make the tournament. As for JMU they have (UNC, VA tech, Penn State, Rutgers, UVA, Maryland) throw in UConn, Ohio State and Richmond which could be challenging for them. Again, if they lose to 5 of those teams who knows what will happen with the tournament. Keep in mind I’m talking about losing 5 games to top teams… if they lose 5 but knock off one or to of the powers i.e. UNC, Syracuse, Maryland, Northwestern, Princeton, UVA , Florida they should be fine.
It stinks for these teams to not have a chance to compete for a conference championship and automatic bid but it makes their non conference games more interesting and important.
Good Luck,
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Preseason ILWomen - IWLCA Poll... Not much different than the other poll.

1 Boston College
2 North Carolina
3 Syracuse
4 Northwestern
5 Notre Dame
6 Stony Brook
7 Florida
8 Duke
9 Maryland
10 Loyola
11 Virginia
12 James Madison
13 Stanford
14 Denver
15 Princeton
16 Drexel
17 Rutgers
18 Jacksonville
19 Penn
20 Johns Hopkins
21 UConn
22 Temple
23 Michigan
24 UMass
25 Penn State


What teams not mentioned have a legit shot at being top 20 at the end of the season?

Dartmouth, USC, Colorado, Arizona State, Towson???

There are a lot of great early season OOC match ups should be fun to watch. Duke once again has weak OOC schedule.

Interested to see early season games.

Northwestern Vs BC
Maryland Vs UVA
Princeton Vs UVA
Syracuse Vs SBU
Florida Vs UNC
JMU Vs UNC

Good Luck to All

Stony Brook & JMU must win the majority of their non conference games or they risk missing the NCAA Tournament. Both play a tough non conference schedule so there is not a lot of wiggle room. This could be SBU’s toughest non conference schedule ever. Looks like 5-7 very tough games (UVA, Syracuse, Dartmouth, Florida, Northwestern, Hopkins, Princeton) as well as Hofstra, Brown and Arizona St which are all relatively competitive. If they lose to 5 of the first 7 named I don’t think they will make the tournament. As for JMU they have (UNC, VA tech, Penn State, Rutgers, UVA, Maryland) throw in UConn, Ohio State and Richmond which could be challenging for them. Again, if they lose to 5 of those teams who knows what will happen with the tournament. Keep in mind I’m talking about losing 5 games to top teams… if they lose 5 but knock off one or to of the powers i.e. UNC, Syracuse, Maryland, Northwestern, Princeton, UVA , Florida they should be fine.
It stinks for these teams to not have a chance to compete for a conference championship and automatic bid but it makes their non conference games more interesting and important.
Good Luck,

Stonybrook vs Virginia is just a scrimmage.
Does anyone have any insight if the interim coach at Richmond will become the permanent coach?
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Preseason ILWomen - IWLCA Poll... Not much different than the other poll.

1 Boston College
2 North Carolina
3 Syracuse
4 Northwestern
5 Notre Dame
6 Stony Brook
7 Florida
8 Duke
9 Maryland
10 Loyola
11 Virginia
12 James Madison
13 Stanford
14 Denver
15 Princeton
16 Drexel
17 Rutgers
18 Jacksonville
19 Penn
20 Johns Hopkins
21 UConn
22 Temple
23 Michigan
24 UMass
25 Penn State


What teams not mentioned have a legit shot at being top 20 at the end of the season?

Dartmouth, USC, Colorado, Arizona State, Towson???

There are a lot of great early season OOC match ups should be fun to watch. Duke once again has weak OOC schedule.

Interested to see early season games.

Northwestern Vs BC
Maryland Vs UVA
Princeton Vs UVA
Syracuse Vs SBU
Florida Vs UNC
JMU Vs UNC

Good Luck to All

Stony Brook & JMU must win the majority of their non conference games or they risk missing the NCAA Tournament. Both play a tough non conference schedule so there is not a lot of wiggle room. This could be SBU’s toughest non conference schedule ever. Looks like 5-7 very tough games (UVA, Syracuse, Dartmouth, Florida, Northwestern, Hopkins, Princeton) as well as Hofstra, Brown and Arizona St which are all relatively competitive. If they lose to 5 of the first 7 named I don’t think they will make the tournament. As for JMU they have (UNC, VA tech, Penn State, Rutgers, UVA, Maryland) throw in UConn, Ohio State and Richmond which could be challenging for them. Again, if they lose to 5 of those teams who knows what will happen with the tournament. Keep in mind I’m talking about losing 5 games to top teams… if they lose 5 but knock off one or to of the powers i.e. UNC, Syracuse, Maryland, Northwestern, Princeton, UVA , Florida they should be fine.
It stinks for these teams to not have a chance to compete for a conference championship and automatic bid but it makes their non conference games more interesting and important.
Good Luck,

Stonybrook vs Virginia is just a scrimmage.

Still a challenging out of conference slate. If they do not win at least 2 of 4 vs Syracuse, Florida, Northwestern and Princeton They will have to win the rest of their games or they will be on the bubble unless Hopkins and Dartmouth are Top 20 at the end of the season and they have wins over them as well. I think for the first time Stony Brook has their work cut out for them because they will not get the AQ. I think if they go 0-4 vs SU, FL, NU and Princeton they will have a tough time getting an at large bid.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Preseason ILWomen - IWLCA Poll... Not much different than the other poll.

1 Boston College
2 North Carolina
3 Syracuse
4 Northwestern
5 Notre Dame
6 Stony Brook
7 Florida
8 Duke
9 Maryland
10 Loyola
11 Virginia
12 James Madison
13 Stanford
14 Denver
15 Princeton
16 Drexel
17 Rutgers
18 Jacksonville
19 Penn
20 Johns Hopkins
21 UConn
22 Temple
23 Michigan
24 UMass
25 Penn State


What teams not mentioned have a legit shot at being top 20 at the end of the season?

Dartmouth, USC, Colorado, Arizona State, Towson???

There are a lot of great early season OOC match ups should be fun to watch. Duke once again has weak OOC schedule.

Interested to see early season games.

Northwestern Vs BC
Maryland Vs UVA
Princeton Vs UVA
Syracuse Vs SBU
Florida Vs UNC
JMU Vs UNC

Good Luck to All

Stony Brook & JMU must win the majority of their non conference games or they risk missing the NCAA Tournament. Both play a tough non conference schedule so there is not a lot of wiggle room. This could be SBU’s toughest non conference schedule ever. Looks like 5-7 very tough games (UVA, Syracuse, Dartmouth, Florida, Northwestern, Hopkins, Princeton) as well as Hofstra, Brown and Arizona St which are all relatively competitive. If they lose to 5 of the first 7 named I don’t think they will make the tournament. As for JMU they have (UNC, VA tech, Penn State, Rutgers, UVA, Maryland) throw in UConn, Ohio State and Richmond which could be challenging for them. Again, if they lose to 5 of those teams who knows what will happen with the tournament. Keep in mind I’m talking about losing 5 games to top teams… if they lose 5 but knock off one or to of the powers i.e. UNC, Syracuse, Maryland, Northwestern, Princeton, UVA , Florida they should be fine.
It stinks for these teams to not have a chance to compete for a conference championship and automatic bid but it makes their non conference games more interesting and important.
Good Luck,

Stonybrook vs Virginia is just a scrimmage.

Still a challenging out of conference slate. If they do not win at least 2 of 4 vs Syracuse, Florida, Northwestern and Princeton They will have to win the rest of their games or they will be on the bubble unless Hopkins and Dartmouth are Top 20 at the end of the season and they have wins over them as well. I think for the first time Stony Brook has their work cut out for them because they will not get the AQ. I think if they go 0-4 vs SU, FL, NU and Princeton they will have a tough time getting an at large bid.

It does add more pressure with OOC games for both teams. JMU is already somewhat used to it since the CAA is more competitive than AE, and the AQ is not always a sure thing for them. I just hope SB and JMU are not held to a higher standard than ACC/Big Ten teams that also don’t have wins against UNC, NU and SU. Quality wins against other tournament teams - yes - but a top 5 or even top 10 win should not be necessary. For example, Maryland only has two top 10 teams on their schedule since they are not playing UNC and SU this year, and I’m not sure one of them (FL) will stay top 10. Duke will not beat the top ACC teams like usual yet still get in with a high seeding in spite of a really weak OOC schedule.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Preseason ILWomen - IWLCA Poll... Not much different than the other poll.

1 Boston College
2 North Carolina
3 Syracuse
4 Northwestern
5 Notre Dame
6 Stony Brook
7 Florida
8 Duke
9 Maryland
10 Loyola
11 Virginia
12 James Madison
13 Stanford
14 Denver
15 Princeton
16 Drexel
17 Rutgers
18 Jacksonville
19 Penn
20 Johns Hopkins
21 UConn
22 Temple
23 Michigan
24 UMass
25 Penn State


What teams not mentioned have a legit shot at being top 20 at the end of the season?

Dartmouth, USC, Colorado, Arizona State, Towson???

There are a lot of great early season OOC match ups should be fun to watch. Duke once again has weak OOC schedule.

Interested to see early season games.

Northwestern Vs BC
Maryland Vs UVA
Princeton Vs UVA
Syracuse Vs SBU
Florida Vs UNC
JMU Vs UNC

Good Luck to All

Stony Brook & JMU must win the majority of their non conference games or they risk missing the NCAA Tournament. Both play a tough non conference schedule so there is not a lot of wiggle room. This could be SBU’s toughest non conference schedule ever. Looks like 5-7 very tough games (UVA, Syracuse, Dartmouth, Florida, Northwestern, Hopkins, Princeton) as well as Hofstra, Brown and Arizona St which are all relatively competitive. If they lose to 5 of the first 7 named I don’t think they will make the tournament. As for JMU they have (UNC, VA tech, Penn State, Rutgers, UVA, Maryland) throw in UConn, Ohio State and Richmond which could be challenging for them. Again, if they lose to 5 of those teams who knows what will happen with the tournament. Keep in mind I’m talking about losing 5 games to top teams… if they lose 5 but knock off one or to of the powers i.e. UNC, Syracuse, Maryland, Northwestern, Princeton, UVA , Florida they should be fine.
It stinks for these teams to not have a chance to compete for a conference championship and automatic bid but it makes their non conference games more interesting and important.
Good Luck,

Stonybrook vs Virginia is just a scrimmage.

Still a challenging out of conference slate. If they do not win at least 2 of 4 vs Syracuse, Florida, Northwestern and Princeton They will have to win the rest of their games or they will be on the bubble unless Hopkins and Dartmouth are Top 20 at the end of the season and they have wins over them as well. I think for the first time Stony Brook has their work cut out for them because they will not get the AQ. I think if they go 0-4 vs SU, FL, NU and Princeton they will have a tough time getting an at large bid.

It does add more pressure with OOC games for both teams. JMU is already somewhat used to it since the CAA is more competitive than AE, and the AQ is not always a sure thing for them. I just hope SB and JMU are not held to a higher standard than ACC/Big Ten teams that also don’t have wins against UNC, NU and SU. Quality wins against other tournament teams - yes - but a top 5 or even top 10 win should not be necessary. For example, Maryland only has two top 10 teams on their schedule since they are not playing UNC and SU this year, and I’m not sure one of them (FL) will stay top 10. Duke will not beat the top ACC teams like usual yet still get in with a high seeding in spite of a really weak OOC schedule.

Yup!
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Preseason ILWomen - IWLCA Poll... Not much different than the other poll.

1 Boston College
2 North Carolina
3 Syracuse
4 Northwestern
5 Notre Dame
6 Stony Brook
7 Florida
8 Duke
9 Maryland
10 Loyola
11 Virginia
12 James Madison
13 Stanford
14 Denver
15 Princeton
16 Drexel
17 Rutgers
18 Jacksonville
19 Penn
20 Johns Hopkins
21 UConn
22 Temple
23 Michigan
24 UMass
25 Penn State


What teams not mentioned have a legit shot at being top 20 at the end of the season?

Dartmouth, USC, Colorado, Arizona State, Towson???

There are a lot of great early season OOC match ups should be fun to watch. Duke once again has weak OOC schedule.

Interested to see early season games.

Northwestern Vs BC
Maryland Vs UVA
Princeton Vs UVA
Syracuse Vs SBU
Florida Vs UNC
JMU Vs UNC

Good Luck to All

Stony Brook & JMU must win the majority of their non conference games or they risk missing the NCAA Tournament. Both play a tough non conference schedule so there is not a lot of wiggle room. This could be SBU’s toughest non conference schedule ever. Looks like 5-7 very tough games (UVA, Syracuse, Dartmouth, Florida, Northwestern, Hopkins, Princeton) as well as Hofstra, Brown and Arizona St which are all relatively competitive. If they lose to 5 of the first 7 named I don’t think they will make the tournament. As for JMU they have (UNC, VA tech, Penn State, Rutgers, UVA, Maryland) throw in UConn, Ohio State and Richmond which could be challenging for them. Again, if they lose to 5 of those teams who knows what will happen with the tournament. Keep in mind I’m talking about losing 5 games to top teams… if they lose 5 but knock off one or to of the powers i.e. UNC, Syracuse, Maryland, Northwestern, Princeton, UVA , Florida they should be fine.
It stinks for these teams to not have a chance to compete for a conference championship and automatic bid but it makes their non conference games more interesting and important.
Good Luck,

Stonybrook vs Virginia is just a scrimmage.

Who won? Score?
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Preseason ILWomen - IWLCA Poll... Not much different than the other poll.

1 Boston College
2 North Carolina
3 Syracuse
4 Northwestern
5 Notre Dame
6 Stony Brook
7 Florida
8 Duke
9 Maryland
10 Loyola
11 Virginia
12 James Madison
13 Stanford
14 Denver
15 Princeton
16 Drexel
17 Rutgers
18 Jacksonville
19 Penn
20 Johns Hopkins
21 UConn
22 Temple
23 Michigan
24 UMass
25 Penn State


What teams not mentioned have a legit shot at being top 20 at the end of the season?

Dartmouth, USC, Colorado, Arizona State, Towson???

There are a lot of great early season OOC match ups should be fun to watch. Duke once again has weak OOC schedule.

Interested to see early season games.

Northwestern Vs BC
Maryland Vs UVA
Princeton Vs UVA
Syracuse Vs SBU
Florida Vs UNC
JMU Vs UNC

Good Luck to All

Stony Brook & JMU must win the majority of their non conference games or they risk missing the NCAA Tournament. Both play a tough non conference schedule so there is not a lot of wiggle room. This could be SBU’s toughest non conference schedule ever. Looks like 5-7 very tough games (UVA, Syracuse, Dartmouth, Florida, Northwestern, Hopkins, Princeton) as well as Hofstra, Brown and Arizona St which are all relatively competitive. If they lose to 5 of the first 7 named I don’t think they will make the tournament. As for JMU they have (UNC, VA tech, Penn State, Rutgers, UVA, Maryland) throw in UConn, Ohio State and Richmond which could be challenging for them. Again, if they lose to 5 of those teams who knows what will happen with the tournament. Keep in mind I’m talking about losing 5 games to top teams… if they lose 5 but knock off one or to of the powers i.e. UNC, Syracuse, Maryland, Northwestern, Princeton, UVA , Florida they should be fine.
It stinks for these teams to not have a chance to compete for a conference championship and automatic bid but it makes their non conference games more interesting and important.
Good Luck,

Stonybrook vs Virginia is just a scrimmage.

Who won? Score?

So fun to see all the LI players out there from both teams The teams ran a practice together before playing which I’ve never seen before and it was neat to see the different drills for the kids . Fun day SB won by four
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Preseason ILWomen - IWLCA Poll... Not much different than the other poll.

1 Boston College
2 North Carolina
3 Syracuse
4 Northwestern
5 Notre Dame
6 Stony Brook
7 Florida
8 Duke
9 Maryland
10 Loyola
11 Virginia
12 James Madison
13 Stanford
14 Denver
15 Princeton
16 Drexel
17 Rutgers
18 Jacksonville
19 Penn
20 Johns Hopkins
21 UConn
22 Temple
23 Michigan
24 UMass
25 Penn State


What teams not mentioned have a legit shot at being top 20 at the end of the season?

Dartmouth, USC, Colorado, Arizona State, Towson???

There are a lot of great early season OOC match ups should be fun to watch. Duke once again has weak OOC schedule.

Interested to see early season games.

Northwestern Vs BC
Maryland Vs UVA
Princeton Vs UVA
Syracuse Vs SBU
Florida Vs UNC
JMU Vs UNC

Good Luck to All

Stony Brook & JMU must win the majority of their non conference games or they risk missing the NCAA Tournament. Both play a tough non conference schedule so there is not a lot of wiggle room. This could be SBU’s toughest non conference schedule ever. Looks like 5-7 very tough games (UVA, Syracuse, Dartmouth, Florida, Northwestern, Hopkins, Princeton) as well as Hofstra, Brown and Arizona St which are all relatively competitive. If they lose to 5 of the first 7 named I don’t think they will make the tournament. As for JMU they have (UNC, VA tech, Penn State, Rutgers, UVA, Maryland) throw in UConn, Ohio State and Richmond which could be challenging for them. Again, if they lose to 5 of those teams who knows what will happen with the tournament. Keep in mind I’m talking about losing 5 games to top teams… if they lose 5 but knock off one or to of the powers i.e. UNC, Syracuse, Maryland, Northwestern, Princeton, UVA , Florida they should be fine.
It stinks for these teams to not have a chance to compete for a conference championship and automatic bid but it makes their non conference games more interesting and important.
Good Luck,

Stonybrook vs Virginia is just a scrimmage.

Still a challenging out of conference slate. If they do not win at least 2 of 4 vs Syracuse, Florida, Northwestern and Princeton They will have to win the rest of their games or they will be on the bubble unless Hopkins and Dartmouth are Top 20 at the end of the season and they have wins over them as well. I think for the first time Stony Brook has their work cut out for them because they will not get the AQ. I think if they go 0-4 vs SU, FL, NU and Princeton they will have a tough time getting an at large bid.

It does add more pressure with OOC games for both teams. JMU is already somewhat used to it since the CAA is more competitive than AE, and the AQ is not always a sure thing for them. I just hope SB and JMU are not held to a higher standard than ACC/Big Ten teams that also don’t have wins against UNC, NU and SU. Quality wins against other tournament teams - yes - but a top 5 or even top 10 win should not be necessary. For example, Maryland only has two top 10 teams on their schedule since they are not playing UNC and SU this year, and I’m not sure one of them (FL) will stay top 10. Duke will not beat the top ACC teams like usual yet still get in with a high seeding in spite of a really weak OOC schedule.

What are you talking about? Why would they be held to a higher standard? We don’t know what teams will have played top 10 teams until the end of the year, so you have no Idea how many Top 10 teams MD will have faced. Duke has only made the tournament 2 times in the past 6 seasons and they were not seeded in either appearance. ACC and Big 10 teams in most cases have difficult in an out of conference games so they can get quality wins both in and out of conference. If the traditional power team on SBU’s schedule Syracuse, Florida, Princeton and Northwestern finish in the Top 10 as they have several times in recent years Stony Brook will have to win at least two of those games and probably Win the rest of their games as well. Unless another team on their schedule is ranked high most wins wins will not count for much. Quality wins are always a major consideration for at large bids so unless there are some surprises in the rankings at the end of the regular season Stony Brook will not have a lot of room for error.
So fun to see all the LI players out there from both teams The teams ran a practice together before playing which I’ve never seen before and it was neat to see the different drills for the kids . Fun day SB won by four

Got to watch the scrimmage , the game seemed pretty much even I believe 9-8 then a lot of new players were put in and SBU seemed to pull ahead . If they have played during the season I would say it easily could go either way although I know both teams were missing at least 1 key player each . I think SBU will struggle on offense and UVA on defense . Looking at both teams schedules not getting to play in their conference tournament will make SBU season interesting but I think they will lose 3 games this year and will make the tournament . UVA plays what looks to be possibly the hardest schedule I have seen of any team and if they can manage to go over 500 I think they get in , 500 or under and not in .
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So fun to see all the LI players out there from both teams The teams ran a practice together before playing which I’ve never seen before and it was neat to see the different drills for the kids . Fun day SB won by four

Got to watch the scrimmage , the game seemed pretty much even I believe 9-8 then a lot of new players were put in and SBU seemed to pull ahead . If they have played during the season I would say it easily could go either way although I know both teams were missing at least 1 key player each . I think SBU will struggle on offense and UVA on defense . Looking at both teams schedules not getting to play in their conference tournament will make SBU season interesting but I think they will lose 3 games this year and will make the tournament . UVA plays what looks to be possibly the hardest schedule I have seen of any team and if they can manage to go over 500 I think they get in , 500 or under and not in .

It will all depend on where Syracuse, Florida, Princeton, Northwestern, Dartmouth and Hopkins finish the regular season and how Stony Brook does against those teams (other teams matter as well but those are the teams most likely to be Top 10 - 20 at the end of the season). Although Stony Brook usually has a very good record their record vs teams that finish in the Top 10 is not very impressive. Should be an interesting season.
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So fun to see all the LI players out there from both teams The teams ran a practice together before playing which I’ve never seen before and it was neat to see the different drills for the kids . Fun day SB won by four

Got to watch the scrimmage , the game seemed pretty much even I believe 9-8 then a lot of new players were put in and SBU seemed to pull ahead . If they have played during the season I would say it easily could go either way although I know both teams were missing at least 1 key player each . I think SBU will struggle on offense and UVA on defense . Looking at both teams schedules not getting to play in their conference tournament will make SBU season interesting but I think they will lose 3 games this year and will make the tournament . UVA plays what looks to be possibly the hardest schedule I have seen of any team and if they can manage to go over 500 I think they get in , 500 or under and not in .

Was also there it was very entertaining and for an early season contest I thought both teams sticks looked very good with very few turnovers These teams will all change. Was interesting that Virginia only had 8 or 9 subs very small bench. Tbh was impressed with both teams and think both will have great seasons. So much speed for both teams. My eye test saw Virginia little more individual based and transition (scored one fabulous one ) on offense while SB was more ball movement with many coming off off feeds. (SB also had two gorgeous BehInd the Back goals) was a fun day tho daughter and friends loved the action. 1st quarter 4-2 SB. 9-8 uva at half 13-10 SB after 3 and 15-11 end score SB. Can’t wait for the weekend and actual games
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Preseason ILWomen - IWLCA Poll... Not much different than the other poll.

1 Boston College
2 North Carolina
3 Syracuse
4 Northwestern
5 Notre Dame
6 Stony Brook
7 Florida
8 Duke
9 Maryland
10 Loyola
11 Virginia
12 James Madison
13 Stanford
14 Denver
15 Princeton
16 Drexel
17 Rutgers
18 Jacksonville
19 Penn
20 Johns Hopkins
21 UConn
22 Temple
23 Michigan
24 UMass
25 Penn State


What teams not mentioned have a legit shot at being top 20 at the end of the season?

Dartmouth, USC, Colorado, Arizona State, Towson???

There are a lot of great early season OOC match ups should be fun to watch. Duke once again has weak OOC schedule.

Interested to see early season games.

Northwestern Vs BC
Maryland Vs UVA
Princeton Vs UVA
Syracuse Vs SBU
Florida Vs UNC
JMU Vs UNC

Good Luck to All

Stony Brook & JMU must win the majority of their non conference games or they risk missing the NCAA Tournament. Both play a tough non conference schedule so there is not a lot of wiggle room. This could be SBU’s toughest non conference schedule ever. Looks like 5-7 very tough games (UVA, Syracuse, Dartmouth, Florida, Northwestern, Hopkins, Princeton) as well as Hofstra, Brown and Arizona St which are all relatively competitive. If they lose to 5 of the first 7 named I don’t think they will make the tournament. As for JMU they have (UNC, VA tech, Penn State, Rutgers, UVA, Maryland) throw in UConn, Ohio State and Richmond which could be challenging for them. Again, if they lose to 5 of those teams who knows what will happen with the tournament. Keep in mind I’m talking about losing 5 games to top teams… if they lose 5 but knock off one or to of the powers i.e. UNC, Syracuse, Maryland, Northwestern, Princeton, UVA , Florida they should be fine.
It stinks for these teams to not have a chance to compete for a conference championship and automatic bid but it makes their non conference games more interesting and important.
Good Luck,

Stonybrook vs Virginia is just a scrimmage.

Still a challenging out of conference slate. If they do not win at least 2 of 4 vs Syracuse, Florida, Northwestern and Princeton They will have to win the rest of their games or they will be on the bubble unless Hopkins and Dartmouth are Top 20 at the end of the season and they have wins over them as well. I think for the first time Stony Brook has their work cut out for them because they will not get the AQ. I think if they go 0-4 vs SU, FL, NU and Princeton they will have a tough time getting an at large bid.

It does add more pressure with OOC games for both teams. JMU is already somewhat used to it since the CAA is more competitive than AE, and the AQ is not always a sure thing for them. I just hope SB and JMU are not held to a higher standard than ACC/Big Ten teams that also don’t have wins against UNC, NU and SU. Quality wins against other tournament teams - yes - but a top 5 or even top 10 win should not be necessary. For example, Maryland only has two top 10 teams on their schedule since they are not playing UNC and SU this year, and I’m not sure one of them (FL) will stay top 10. Duke will not beat the top ACC teams like usual yet still get in with a high seeding in spite of a really weak OOC schedule.

What are you talking about? Why would they be held to a higher standard? We don’t know what teams will have played top 10 teams until the end of the year, so you have no Idea how many Top 10 teams MD will have faced. Duke has only made the tournament 2 times in the past 6 seasons and they were not seeded in either appearance. ACC and Big 10 teams in most cases have difficult in an out of conference games so they can get quality wins both in and out of conference. If the traditional power team on SBU’s schedule Syracuse, Florida, Princeton and Northwestern finish in the Top 10 as they have several times in recent years Stony Brook will have to win at least two of those games and probably Win the rest of their games as well. Unless another team on their schedule is ranked high most wins wins will not count for much. Quality wins are always a major consideration for at large bids so unless there are some surprises in the rankings at the end of the regular season Stony Brook will not have a lot of room for error.

Duke was a 7 seed last year. Their only wins against tournament teams were High Point and UVA. SBU was an 8 seed. Lost to UNC and SU just like Duke did, beat two tourney teams, Hofstra and Towson. Held to a higher standard it appears since Duke was seeded ahead.

Agree SBU does not have a lot of wiggle room but I think they can get an at large bid with a win over NU, SU, FLA or Princeton, assuming those teams stay top 15 and SBU wins all their other games. Maybe JHU will be a challenge. Wonder if SBU tries to add another quality OOC opponent.
---- "Duke was a 7 seed last year. Their only wins against tournament teams were High Point and UVA. SBU was an 8 seed. Lost to UNC and SU just like Duke did, beat two tourney teams, Hofstra and Towson. Held to a higher standard it appears since Duke was seeded ahead.

Agree SBU does not have a lot of wiggle room but I think they can get an at large bid with a win over NU, SU, FLA or Princeton, assuming those teams stay top 15 and SBU wins all their other games. Maybe JHU will be a challenge. Wonder if SBU tries to add another quality OOC opponent." --------

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Let's try this again.... Below are some actual facts...

Duke was in fact seeded 7th last year, it was Dukes first NCAA appearance since 2016 so it's not as though they get an at large bid to the Tournament with a suspect record.

Duke played 9 games vs teams that were ranked in the Top 20 at the end of the regular season.They were 1 - 8 vs Top 20 teams with their lone quality win coming against Virginia.

Stony Brook played 2 games vs teams that were ranked in the Top 20 at the end of the regular season. They were 0 - 2 vs Top 20 Teams with 0 quality wins.

Stony Brook was not held to a higher standard considering the fact that they had no quality wins (wins vs Top 20 teams) and they played a weak schedule compared to Duke.

It would appear that Stony Brook may actually be held to a lower standard due to the fact that it is unusual for a team with no quality wins and a relatively weak schedule to receive a seed.

Stony Brook has been overrated and overhyped for many years garnering high rankings due to lopsided W L record vs weak competition.

Based on their pre-tournament Rankings, Stony Brook has under performed each year in the NCAA Tournament.

When you look at how Stony Brook has performed Vs Top 10 - 20 Teams, Stony Brook is pedestrian.

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 5 - 21 vs Top 10 Teams (end of season ranking)

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 22 - 25 vs Top 20 Teams (end of season ranking)

Stony Brook always seems to be given the benefit of the doubt (or held to a lower standard) in the preseason polls as well so when they lose one of their OCC games they do not fall too far in the polls.

Based on Stony Brook's actual performance vs competitive teams I'm guessing they would have to schedule OOC teams the same way Duke does in order to insure a .500 record and a chance at an at large bid to the Tournament if they were in the ACC or Big 10.
Stony Brook is very young this year, talented but very young. I like that Spallina never uses that as a crutch and speaks about goals of Final 4 etc. But they will be young and have their work cut out for them. Think they will lose 2/3 games but be in the mix for a 7 or 8 I have seen many other coaches (Florida this year) use the youth as an excuse. Not having the Auto Bid will be interesting but looking at SB schedule they have done a good job with OOC games and teams that will boost RPI obviously wins are best but just playing those games plus Hartford not playing this year will keep that RPI high. You win a few of those and they will maintain a high seed.

Regardless I think a bigger story is JMU and SB being At Large teams will knock others out.
Division I Women’s Lacrosse

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll
1 Boston College (0 - 0) 648 (24) 1
2 North Carolina (0 - 0) 620 (2) 3
3 Syracuse (0 - 0) 602 2
4 Northwestern (0 - 0) 569 4
5 Notre Dame (0 - 0) 519 6
6 Stony Brook (0 - 0) 509 5
7 Florida (0 - 0) 450 7
8 Duke (0 - 0) 441 8
9 Maryland (0 - 0) 440 10
10 Loyola (0 - 0) 434 9
11 Virginia (0 - 0) 371 11
12 James Madison (0 - 0) 341 12
13 Stanford (0 - 0) 314 16
14 Denver (0 - 0) 285 13
15 Princeton (0 - 0) 265 NR
16 Drexel (0 - 0) 221 15
17 Rutgers (0 - 0) 210 14
18 Jacksonville (0 - 0) 183 18
19 Penn (0 - 0) 163 NR
20 Johns Hopkins (0 - 0) 136 17
21 UConn (0 - 0) 107 21
22 Temple (0 - 0) 88 19
23 Michigan (0 - 0) 83 NR
24 UMass (0 - 0) 78 NR
25 Penn State (0 - 0) 63 T-23
Division II Women’s Lacrosse

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll
1 Lindenwood (0 - 0) 524 (20) 1
2 UIndy (0 - 0) 496 (1) 3
3 Queens (0 - 0) 478 2
4 Le Moyne (0 - 0) 464 5
5 East Stroudsburg (0 - 0) 404 4
6 West Chester (0 - 0) 403 6
7 Florida Southern (0 - 0) 397 8
8 Rollins (0 - 0) 362 10
9 Regis (CO) (0 - 0) 328 9
10 Roberts Wesleyan (0 - 0) 317 7
11 Adelphi (0 - 0) 306 14
11 Tampa (0 - 0) 306 T-12
13 Limestone (0 - 0) 289 11
14 Grand Valley State (0 - 0) 243 17
15 Mercy (0 - 0) 237 16
16 Bentley (0 - 0) 231 T-12
17 Mount Olive (0 - 0) 192 15
18 Seton Hill (0 - 0) 169 20
19 Pace (0 - 0) 162 19
20 Assumption (0 - 0) 118 18
21 Saint Anselm (0 - 0) 102 22
22 New Haven (0 - 0) 95 21
23 Saint Leo (0 - 0) 63 23
24 Colorado Mesa (0 - 0) 48 24
25 Davenport (0 - 0) 31 25
Division III Women’s Lacrosse

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll
1 Salisbury (0 - 0) 547 (19) 4
2 Tufts (0 - 0) 529 (3) 3
3 St. John Fisher (0 - 0) 475 9
4 Ithaca (0 - 0) 432 11
5 Washington & Lee (0 - 0) 401 2
6 William Smith (0 - 0) 385 16
7 Franklin & Marshall (0 - 0) 378 1
8 Messiah (0 - 0) 374 10
9 Gettysburg (0 - 0) 363 5
10 TCNJ (0 - 0) 359 14
11 Middlebury (0 - 0) 352 NR
12 Denison (0 - 0) 279 8
13 Cortland (0 - 0) 276 13
14 Catholic (DC) (0 - 0) 250 6
15 Colby (0 - 0) 236 7
16 Brockport (0 - 0) 223 17
17 Wesleyan (CT) (0 - 0) 188 12
18 York (0 - 0) 156 15
19 Amherst (0 - 0) 138 NR
20 Trinity (0 - 0) 101 20
21 Bowdoin (0 - 0) 99 NR
22 Geneseo (0 - 0) 92 18
23 Hamilton (0 - 0) 78 19
24 Christopher Newport (0 - 0) 62 21
25 Chicago (0 - 0) 51 21
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Stony Brook is very young this year, talented but very young. I like that Spallina never uses that as a crutch and speaks about goals of Final 4 etc. But they will be young and have their work cut out for them. Think they will lose 2/3 games but be in the mix for a 7 or 8 I have seen many other coaches (Florida this year) use the youth as an excuse. Not having the Auto Bid will be interesting but looking at SB schedule they have done a good job with OOC games and teams that will boost RPI obviously wins are best but just playing those games plus Hartford not playing this year will keep that RPI high. You win a few of those and they will maintain a high seed.

Regardless I think a bigger story is JMU and SB being At Large teams will knock others out.

It will come down to RPI, quality wins and strength of schedule etc… as The NCAA defines them…. They have done some odd things in the past… especially on the Men’s side.

We will not know who falls where until the regular season ends. Stony Brook has done a good job over the years at scheduling high caliber programs for their OOC games. JMU always plays challenging OOC schedule as well. As stated above , we will not know how it all shake out until the games are played but it looks like JMU has the tougher row to [ChillLaxin].

All SBU and JMU can do now is play who they have on the schedule.

The good news for SBU is the “projected” top four teams on their schedule have some challenges to deal with. Syracuse has a new coach and some injury issues. Florida lost a lot of mainstays to graduation. Princeton has been off for two years. NOrthwestern is without their strongest offensive player.

JMU and Stony Brook will now be competing with ACC, B1G, Ivy and any other conference that usually gets multiple Bids.

It should be interesting to say the least, every game will matter and it could very much come down to head to head. Syracuse, Florida, Princeton, Dartmouth and Hopkins are critical because of the importance of Head to Head outcomes when deciding who gets an at large bid.
Did some SB research because numbers seemed off ( not shocked ) was actually interesting to look back on box scores during Spallina’s tenure they are 36 -25 vs Top 20 opponents was interesting to look at results before he arrived they were terrible. Every season on their archive has the rank of teams on their schedule. Regardless so glad games start this week
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Did some SB research because numbers seemed off ( not shocked ) was actually interesting to look back on box scores during Spallina’s tenure they are 36 -25 vs Top 20 opponents was interesting to look at results before he arrived they were terrible. Every season on their archive has the rank of teams on their schedule. Regardless so glad games start this week

The numbers are not off.

You looked at where the opponents were ranked when the games were played, rankings change throughout the season based on performance. The numbers in the previous post reflect Stony Brooks Record vs the opponents actual end of season "Final Ranking" which is the only ranking worth anything. Just because a team is Ranked #1 doesn't mean we crown them National Champions, they actually have to play the games and we see where they end up.

You can beat a team that was ranked 10th on March 1st but if that team is not ranked in the Top 20 at the end of the season you did not beat the number 10 team.

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 5 - 21 vs Top 10 Teams (end of season ranking).

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 22 - 25 vs Top 20 Teams (end of season ranking).


Just looked quickly at some of their schedules on line:

2021 - schedule has USC ranked 13. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2019 - schedule has Hopkins ranked 1. Hopkins was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2018 - schedule has USC ranked 5. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2017 - schedule has Towson ranked 19. Towson was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.

I'm sure there are several more examples in previous years.

Did you also count wins over UMBC ranked #4 and Albany ranked # 2 as they are listed on the schedule? (wouldn't be shocked)

Try to spin it any way you want but the numbers are accurate.
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Did some SB research because numbers seemed off ( not shocked ) was actually interesting to look back on box scores during Spallina’s tenure they are 36 -25 vs Top 20 opponents was interesting to look at results before he arrived they were terrible. Every season on their archive has the rank of teams on their schedule. Regardless so glad games start this week

The numbers are not off.

You looked at where the opponents were ranked when the games were played, rankings change throughout the season based on performance. The numbers in the previous post reflect Stony Brooks Record vs the opponents actual end of season "Final Ranking" which is the only ranking worth anything. Just because a team is Ranked #1 doesn't mean we crown them National Champions, they actually have to play the games and we see where they end up.

You can beat a team that was ranked 10th on March 1st but if that team is not ranked in the Top 20 at the end of the season you did not beat the number 10 team.

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 5 - 21 vs Top 10 Teams (end of season ranking).

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 22 - 25 vs Top 20 Teams (end of season ranking).


Just looked quickly at some of their schedules on line:

2021 - schedule has USC ranked 13. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2019 - schedule has Hopkins ranked 1. Hopkins was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2018 - schedule has USC ranked 5. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2017 - schedule has Towson ranked 19. Towson was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.

I'm sure there are several more examples in previous years.

Did you also count wins over UMBC ranked #4 and Albany ranked # 2 as they are listed on the schedule? (wouldn't be shocked)

Try to spin it any way you want but the numbers are accurate.

Did not use AE tourn ranks as ranked games so come on and also if you play a team and at the time of the game the team is ranked it’s beating a ranked a opponent on your in season resume . You also can spin it however you want. I understand what you are saying but the ncaa tournament doesn’t operate that way. Be interesting to see other teams in that 6-15 area ranking Good interesting conversation
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[quote=Anonymous]Did some SB research because numbers seemed off ( not shocked ) was actually interesting to look back on box scores during Spallina’s tenure they are 36 -25 vs Top 20 opponents was interesting to look at results before he arrived they were terrible. Every season on their archive has the rank of teams on their schedule. Regardless so glad games start this week

The numbers are not off.

You looked at where the opponents were ranked when the games were played, rankings change throughout the season based on performance. The numbers in the previous post reflect Stony Brooks Record vs the opponents actual end of season "Final Ranking" which is the only ranking worth anything. Just because a team is Ranked #1 doesn't mean we crown them National Champions, they actually have to play the games and we see where they end up.

You can beat a team that was ranked 10th on March 1st but if that team is not ranked in the Top 20 at the end of the season you did not beat the number 10 team.

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 5 - 21 vs Top 10 Teams (end of season ranking).

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 22 - 25 vs Top 20 Teams (end of season ranking).


Just looked quickly at some of their schedules on line:

2021 - schedule has USC ranked 13. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2019 - schedule has Hopkins ranked 1. Hopkins was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2018 - schedule has USC ranked 5. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2017 - schedule has Towson ranked 19. Towson was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.

I'm sure there are several more examples in previous years.

Did you also count wins over UMBC ranked #4 and Albany ranked # 2 as they are listed on the schedule? (wouldn't be shocked)

Try to spin it any way you want but the numbers are accurate.[/

Isn’t East setauket close to SB
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Did some SB research because numbers seemed off ( not shocked ) was actually interesting to look back on box scores during Spallina’s tenure they are 36 -25 vs Top 20 opponents was interesting to look at results before he arrived they were terrible. Every season on their archive has the rank of teams on their schedule. Regardless so glad games start this week

The numbers are not off.

You looked at where the opponents were ranked when the games were played, rankings change throughout the season based on performance. The numbers in the previous post reflect Stony Brooks Record vs the opponents actual end of season "Final Ranking" which is the only ranking worth anything. Just because a team is Ranked #1 doesn't mean we crown them National Champions, they actually have to play the games and we see where they end up.

You can beat a team that was ranked 10th on March 1st but if that team is not ranked in the Top 20 at the end of the season you did not beat the number 10 team.

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 5 - 21 vs Top 10 Teams (end of season ranking).

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 22 - 25 vs Top 20 Teams (end of season ranking).


Just looked quickly at some of their schedules on line:

2021 - schedule has USC ranked 13. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2019 - schedule has Hopkins ranked 1. Hopkins was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2018 - schedule has USC ranked 5. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2017 - schedule has Towson ranked 19. Towson was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.

I'm sure there are several more examples in previous years.

Did you also count wins over UMBC ranked #4 and Albany ranked # 2 as they are listed on the schedule? (wouldn't be shocked)

Try to spin it any way you want but the numbers are accurate.[/

Isn’t East setauket close to SB


While I agree SBU is almost always overhyped and over ranked I have to say Spallina does more with these players that no other top 15 programs even looked at . They can beat anybody while having essentially not top recruits . The problem for Joe is it’s not a great college experience going to a commuter school and the best players have better options .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Did some SB research because numbers seemed off ( not shocked ) was actually interesting to look back on box scores during Spallina’s tenure they are 36 -25 vs Top 20 opponents was interesting to look at results before he arrived they were terrible. Every season on their archive has the rank of teams on their schedule. Regardless so glad games start this week

The numbers are not off.

You looked at where the opponents were ranked when the games were played, rankings change throughout the season based on performance. The numbers in the previous post reflect Stony Brooks Record vs the opponents actual end of season "Final Ranking" which is the only ranking worth anything. Just because a team is Ranked #1 doesn't mean we crown them National Champions, they actually have to play the games and we see where they end up.

You can beat a team that was ranked 10th on March 1st but if that team is not ranked in the Top 20 at the end of the season you did not beat the number 10 team.

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 5 - 21 vs Top 10 Teams (end of season ranking).

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 22 - 25 vs Top 20 Teams (end of season ranking).


Just looked quickly at some of their schedules on line:

2021 - schedule has USC ranked 13. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2019 - schedule has Hopkins ranked 1. Hopkins was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2018 - schedule has USC ranked 5. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2017 - schedule has Towson ranked 19. Towson was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.

I'm sure there are several more examples in previous years.

Did you also count wins over UMBC ranked #4 and Albany ranked # 2 as they are listed on the schedule? (wouldn't be shocked)

Try to spin it any way you want but the numbers are accurate.[/

Isn’t East setauket close to SB


While I agree SBU is almost always overhyped and over ranked I have to say Spallina does more with these players that no other top 15 programs even looked at . They can beat anybody while having essentially not top recruits . The problem for Joe is it’s not a great college experience going to a commuter school and the best players have better options .

Why is it that every time Stony Brook is discussed people always diminish the players? Stony Brook has had many great players yet people on here always want to make it all about the coach. This has been the narrative for a long time now but it is not accurate. Stony Brook gets some great players, the propaganda simply is not true.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Did some SB research because numbers seemed off ( not shocked ) was actually interesting to look back on box scores during Spallina’s tenure they are 36 -25 vs Top 20 opponents was interesting to look at results before he arrived they were terrible. Every season on their archive has the rank of teams on their schedule. Regardless so glad games start this week


You looked at where the opponents were ranked when the games were played, rankings change throughout the season based on performance. The numbers in the previous post reflect Stony Brooks Record vs the opponents actual end of season "Final Ranking" which is the only ranking worth anything. Just because a team is Ranked #1 doesn't mean we crown them National Champions, they actually have to play the games and we see where they end up.

You can beat a team that was ranked 10th on March 1st but if that team is not ranked in the Top 20 at the end of the season you did not beat the number 10 team.

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 5 - 21 vs Top 10 Teams (end of season ranking).

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 22 - 25 vs Top 20 Teams (end of season ranking).


Just looked quickly at some of their schedules on line:

2021 - schedule has USC ranked 13. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2019 - schedule has Hopkins ranked 1. Hopkins was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2018 - schedule has USC ranked 5. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2017 - schedule has Towson ranked 19. Towson was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.

I'm sure there are several more examples in previous years.

Did you also count wins over UMBC ranked #4 and Albany ranked # 2 as they are listed on the schedule? (wouldn't be shocked)

Try to spin it any way you want but the numbers are accurate.[/

Isn’t East setauket close to SB


While I agree SBU is almost always overhyped and over ranked I have to say Spallina does more with these players that no other top 15 programs even looked at . They can beat anybody while having essentially not top recruits . The problem for Joe is it’s not a great college experience going to a commuter school and the best players have better options .

Why is it that every time Stony Brook is discussed people always diminish the players? Stony Brook has had many great players yet people on here always want to make it all about the coach. This has been the narrative for a long time now but it is not accurate. Stony Brook gets some great players, the propaganda simply is not true.

My post wasn’t meant to disparage players it was actually a compliment that was worded poorly. My point was their recruits are very often not “highly ranked “ out high school. They are excellent and in many cases turn out better than the “highly ranked “ kids out of Hs. My reference was based on past few years inside lacrosse rankings where SB had very few players. I’m certainly not spitballing I went by actual rankings
All the time they are discussions about high school players that either never pan out, or are the superstars they were expected to be. No one ever mentions the exponentially greater level of training, lifting, practice speed, film, and general level of “ professionalism” that goes along with college lacrosse! Kids from hotbed areas have had more training during ms and hs, yes, but those kids enter college with , in general, little what I call “spare capacity”. Soo maybe coaches like Spallina has a knack for spotting the girls who, maybe their parents didn’t throw down money for every single exposure opportunity, every chance to be set by IL contributors, for funding and grabbing the real diamonds in the rough. My guess is Amonte-Hiller has that same knack.
North, Scane, Gilbert, Hall and a few others all started relatively late (6th grade I think I read) never looked to see which of them had over of those storybook high school careers, but someone did their homework, chose not to after the low hanging fruit, and identified those with the biggest perceived room to grow at the college level. With the likes of IL and USAlax citing hs “superstars “ in the hotbeds, the real stars might be missed, and the soo called experts evaluations might more often than not be needed to be taken with a grain of salt.
Soo I think part of my point, kinda buried a little, is that how the girls do in college is every bit of if not more a reflection of how they adapted to the college level and intensity of training, not soo much what they speed up with on the first day of college practice
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All the time they are discussions about high school players that either never pan out, or are the superstars they were expected to be. No one ever mentions the exponentially greater level of training, lifting, practice speed, film, and general level of “ professionalism” that goes along with college lacrosse! Kids from hotbed areas have had more training during ms and hs, yes, but those kids enter college with , in general, little what I call “spare capacity”. Soo maybe coaches like Spallina has a knack for spotting the girls who, maybe their parents didn’t throw down money for every single exposure opportunity, every chance to be set by IL contributors, for funding and grabbing the real diamonds in the rough. My guess is Amonte-Hiller has that same knack.
North, Scane, Gilbert, Hall and a few others all started relatively late (6th grade I think I read) never looked to see which of them had over of those storybook high school careers, but someone did their homework, chose not to after the low hanging fruit, and identified those with the biggest perceived room to grow at the college level. With the likes of IL and USAlax citing hs “superstars “ in the hotbeds, the real stars might be missed, and the soo called experts evaluations might more often than not be needed to be taken with a grain of salt.
Soo I think part of my point, kinda buried a little, is that how the girls do in college is every bit of if not more a reflection of how they adapted to the college level and intensity of training, not soo much what they speed up with on the first day of college practice

Too much gibberish to respond to, Spallina would love to get more highly ranked players but cannot simply because going to SBU which is essentially a commuter school is not regarded as good a college experience by many. Take the scrimmage that they just played in the last 2 years UVA has brought in 7 UA senior AA to 1 for SBU so yes Spallina does more with players that were not as highly recruited. It is not that he can see their future potential over other coaches but its more that those players did not have as many options so that is who he can recruit to go there. Spallina seems to have the ability to get these players to reach their potential while many other coaches dont. Maybe its the illegal amount of hours that his teams practice ,who knows.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the time they are discussions about high school players that either never pan out, or are the superstars they were expected to be. No one ever mentions the exponentially greater level of training, lifting, practice speed, film, and general level of “ professionalism” that goes along with college lacrosse! Kids from hotbed areas have had more training during ms and hs, yes, but those kids enter college with , in general, little what I call “spare capacity”. Soo maybe coaches like Spallina has a knack for spotting the girls who, maybe their parents didn’t throw down money for every single exposure opportunity, every chance to be set by IL contributors, for funding and grabbing the real diamonds in the rough. My guess is Amonte-Hiller has that same knack.
North, Scane, Gilbert, Hall and a few others all started relatively late (6th grade I think I read) never looked to see which of them had over of those storybook high school careers, but someone did their homework, chose not to after the low hanging fruit, and identified those with the biggest perceived room to grow at the college level. With the likes of IL and USAlax citing hs “superstars “ in the hotbeds, the real stars might be missed, and the soo called experts evaluations might more often than not be needed to be taken with a grain of salt.
Soo I think part of my point, kinda buried a little, is that how the girls do in college is every bit of if not more a reflection of how they adapted to the college level and intensity of training, not soo much what they speed up with on the first day of college practice

All of the players that you mention were superstars in HS. Anyone who watched them play could tell they were exceptional. They certainly did not go unnoticed, they were not diamonds in the rough.
They were playing in non hotbed areas where it easy for great players to look great when the competition is not up to snuff and the coaching is not widely recognized and experienced in the toughest playing environments.
Which of them played in the UA senior game? Which of them were not coached or nominated for/won USALax AA ? Did they have the funds to go to every east coast showcase? They started VERY late relatively ( not sure when Gilbert started)
Did u actually see them play in the likes of mid Atlantic, UA, ect?

I once read or hear I can’t recall, that Amonte sought out what she deemed the most athletic girls she could find to build the early NU teams that eventually won it all, supporting my claim that it’s coaching and adaptive potential to the cogitate playing environment. Thus the results of the spallinas and hollers-they don’t rely on IL/USALax/UA lists
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the time they are discussions about high school players that either never pan out, or are the superstars they were expected to be. No one ever mentions the exponentially greater level of training, lifting, practice speed, film, and general level of “ professionalism” that goes along with college lacrosse! Kids from hotbed areas have had more training during ms and hs, yes, but those kids enter college with , in general, little what I call “spare capacity”. Soo maybe coaches like Spallina has a knack for spotting the girls who, maybe their parents didn’t throw down money for every single exposure opportunity, every chance to be set by IL contributors, for funding and grabbing the real diamonds in the rough. My guess is Amonte-Hiller has that same knack.
North, Scane, Gilbert, Hall and a few others all started relatively late (6th grade I think I read) never looked to see which of them had over of those storybook high school careers, but someone did their homework, chose not to after the low hanging fruit, and identified those with the biggest perceived room to grow at the college level. With the likes of IL and USAlax citing hs “superstars “ in the hotbeds, the real stars might be missed, and the soo called experts evaluations might more often than not be needed to be taken with a grain of salt.
Soo I think part of my point, kinda buried a little, is that how the girls do in college is every bit of if not more a reflection of how they adapted to the college level and intensity of training, not soo much what they speed up with on the first day of college practice

Too much gibberish to respond to, Spallina would love to get more highly ranked players but cannot simply because going to SBU which is essentially a commuter school is not regarded as good a college experience by many. Take the scrimmage that they just played in the last 2 years UVA has brought in 7 UA senior AA to 1 for SBU so yes Spallina does more with players that were not as highly recruited. It is not that he can see their future potential over other coaches but its more that those players did not have as many options so that is who he can recruit to go there. Spallina seems to have the ability to get these players to reach their potential while many other coaches dont. Maybe its the illegal amount of hours that his teams practice ,who knows.

Agree, way to much gibberish...

To be clear, just because a player chooses to attend SBU does not mean that the player was not identified as strong players or recruited by other college programs. For many, cost of attendance is a major factor and for many LI kids SBU can be significantly more affordable than many other schools. Just like Maryland, I'm sure many of the Maryland kids would have loved to go to UNC, Virginia, Stanford, Florida, Penn State, USC, Penn, Princeton, Northwestern, Notre Dame etc... but at what cost?

This notion that the SBU players were not recognized by other programs is not true. Just about all of the high performing players for SBU in the past several years were very well known HS players. For many, it's about the $$$ and the kids happiness.

I seem to recall a post on here not long ago that pointed out that Stony Brook had more players the made the Long Island Underclass Under Armour team than any other college program. Players who earn a spot on the LI Under Armour Underclass teams are not diamond in the rough, they are very well known.

There has been a consistent narrative over the years that Pumps up JS as the best coach in college lacrosse (yes, he is an excellent coach). That narrative has also consistently downplayed the actual ability of the Stony Brook Players.

Stony Brook gets very good players.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They were playing in non hotbed areas where it easy for great players to look great when the competition is not up to snuff and the coaching is not widely recognized and experienced in the toughest playing environments.
Which of them played in the UA senior game? Which of them were not coached or nominated for/won USALax AA ? Did they have the funds to go to every east coast showcase? They started VERY late relatively ( not sure when Gilbert started)
Did u actually see them play in the likes of mid Atlantic, UA, ect?

I once read or hear I can’t recall, that Amonte sought out what she deemed the most athletic girls she could find to build the early NU teams that eventually won it all, supporting my claim that it’s coaching and adaptive potential to the cogitate playing environment. Thus the results of the spallinas and hollers-they don’t rely on IL/USALax/UA lists

All were HS AA's

North, Scane and Hall were all Senior Under Armour All-Americans and were recognized by Inside Lacrosse .
Not to lose the point of what I was saying as it pertains to the Spallina ect, is that picking local girls not on all the “ lists” and having great success is as much about the coaching, the players potential to rise up to the college game and seeing something in those players the list makers miss. One concussion from this is that the lists and how they’re made can always be improved with more effort
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They were playing in non hotbed areas where it easy for great players to look great when the competition is not up to snuff and the coaching is not widely recognized and experienced in the toughest playing environments.
Which of them played in the UA senior game? Which of them were not coached or nominated for/won USALax AA ? Did they have the funds to go to every east coast showcase? They started VERY late relatively ( not sure when Gilbert started)
Did u actually see them play in the likes of mid Atlantic, UA, ect?

I once read or hear I can’t recall, that Amonte sought out what she deemed the most athletic girls she could find to build the early NU teams that eventually won it all, supporting my claim that it’s coaching and adaptive potential to the cogitate playing environment. Thus the results of the spallinas and hollers-they don’t rely on IL/USALax/UA lists

There is not a single college coach that relies on Inside Lacrosse, USA Lacrosse or Under Armour to identify the players that they recruit.

Did you ever think that people who actually know what they are looking at will identify many of the same players as being a high caliber player with a high level of potential?

There is a reason that the best programs tend to bring in the most players that are “recognized” by the likes of IL, USA lacrosse and UA.
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Not to lose the point of what I was saying as it pertains to the Spallina ect, is that picking local girls not on all the “ lists” and having great success is as much about the coaching, the players potential to rise up to the college game and seeing something in those players the list makers miss. One concussion from this is that the lists and how they’re made can always be improved with more effort

The majority of players from Long Island do not want to stay on The Island, it doesn't matter if they are on the "lists" or not, most do not want to go to school on The Island. The players that do make the so called "lists" generally have many options that are more appealing than SBU for a variety of reasons (academic, lacrosse, social, overall experience etc...).

JS does not "pick local girls that are not on all the lists", if he could get the players that make the lists he would take them. He gets the players who are willing to stay on the Island many of which are excellent players.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Did some SB research because numbers seemed off ( not shocked ) was actually interesting to look back on box scores during Spallina’s tenure they are 36 -25 vs Top 20 opponents was interesting to look at results before he arrived they were terrible. Every season on their archive has the rank of teams on their schedule. Regardless so glad games start this week

The numbers are not off.

You looked at where the opponents were ranked when the games were played, rankings change throughout the season based on performance. The numbers in the previous post reflect Stony Brooks Record vs the opponents actual end of season "Final Ranking" which is the only ranking worth anything. Just because a team is Ranked #1 doesn't mean we crown them National Champions, they actually have to play the games and we see where they end up.

You can beat a team that was ranked 10th on March 1st but if that team is not ranked in the Top 20 at the end of the season you did not beat the number 10 team.

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 5 - 21 vs Top 10 Teams (end of season ranking).

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 22 - 25 vs Top 20 Teams (end of season ranking).


Just looked quickly at some of their schedules on line:

2021 - schedule has USC ranked 13. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2019 - schedule has Hopkins ranked 1. Hopkins was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2018 - schedule has USC ranked 5. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2017 - schedule has Towson ranked 19. Towson was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.

I'm sure there are several more examples in previous years.

Did you also count wins over UMBC ranked #4 and Albany ranked # 2 as they are listed on the schedule? (wouldn't be shocked)

Try to spin it any way you want but the numbers are accurate.[/

Isn’t East setauket close to SB


While I agree SBU is almost always overhyped and over ranked I have to say Spallina does more with these players that no other top 15 programs even looked at . They can beat anybody while having essentially not top recruits . The problem for Joe is it’s not a great college experience going to a commuter school and the best players have better options .

How in the world do you know what players other Top 15 programs looked at? Most of the players that have excelled at Stony Brook were very well known Long Island players. Stony Brook does not have a national draw but they attract plenty of talented Long Island players. Some on here would have us believe that SBU brings in kids that can not throw and catch.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the time they are discussions about high school players that either never pan out, or are the superstars they were expected to be. No one ever mentions the exponentially greater level of training, lifting, practice speed, film, and general level of “ professionalism” that goes along with college lacrosse! Kids from hotbed areas have had more training during ms and hs, yes, but those kids enter college with , in general, little what I call “spare capacity”. Soo maybe coaches like Spallina has a knack for spotting the girls who, maybe their parents didn’t throw down money for every single exposure opportunity, every chance to be set by IL contributors, for funding and grabbing the real diamonds in the rough. My guess is Amonte-Hiller has that same knack.
North, Scane, Gilbert, Hall and a few others all started relatively late (6th grade I think I read) never looked to see which of them had over of those storybook high school careers, but someone did their homework, chose not to after the low hanging fruit, and identified those with the biggest perceived room to grow at the college level. With the likes of IL and USAlax citing hs “superstars “ in the hotbeds, the real stars might be missed, and the soo called experts evaluations might more often than not be needed to be taken with a grain of salt.
Soo I think part of my point, kinda buried a little, is that how the girls do in college is every bit of if not more a reflection of how they adapted to the college level and intensity of training, not soo much what they speed up with on the first day of college practice

Too much gibberish to respond to, Spallina would love to get more highly ranked players but cannot simply because going to SBU which is essentially a commuter school is not regarded as good a college experience by many. Take the scrimmage that they just played in the last 2 years UVA has brought in 7 UA senior AA to 1 for SBU so yes Spallina does more with players that were not as highly recruited. It is not that he can see their future potential over other coaches but its more that those players did not have as many options so that is who he can recruit to go there. Spallina seems to have the ability to get these players to reach their potential while many other coaches dont. Maybe its the illegal amount of hours that his teams practice ,who knows.

Agree, way to much gibberish...

To be clear, just because a player chooses to attend SBU does not mean that the player was not identified as strong players or recruited by other college programs. For many, cost of attendance is a major factor and for many LI kids SBU can be significantly more affordable than many other schools. Just like Maryland, I'm sure many of the Maryland kids would have loved to go to UNC, Virginia, Stanford, Florida, Penn State, USC, Penn, Princeton, Northwestern, Notre Dame etc... but at what cost?

This notion that the SBU players were not recognized by other programs is not true. Just about all of the high performing players for SBU in the past several years were very well known HS players. For many, it's about the $$$ and the kids happiness.

I seem to recall a post on here not long ago that pointed out that Stony Brook had more players the made the Long Island Underclass Under Armour team than any other college program. Players who earn a spot on the LI Under Armour Underclass teams are not diamond in the rough, they are very well known.

There has been a consistent narrative over the years that Pumps up JS as the best coach in college lacrosse (yes, he is an excellent coach). That narrative has also consistently downplayed the actual ability of the Stony Brook Players.

Stony Brook gets very good players.

Joe knows and recognizes very good players. He is also keenly aware that many good players get overlooked and lost in the politics of LI travel lacrosse. That is his gain for being able to spot these talented players. Yes most of those players he picks up are not at the top of all the notIntelligent “lists and teams”. And many of them go to SBU and break it open. Half credit to Joe’s coaching, polishing them as players, and half discredit to the politics of travel lacrosse. Many of these players were very deserving their whole careers, just ended up on the short end. That is also the chip on the shoulder attitude that joe motivates the whole team with, and he is not wrong.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the time they are discussions about high school players that either never pan out, or are the superstars they were expected to be. No one ever mentions the exponentially greater level of training, lifting, practice speed, film, and general level of “ professionalism” that goes along with college lacrosse! Kids from hotbed areas have had more training during ms and hs, yes, but those kids enter college with , in general, little what I call “spare capacity”. Soo maybe coaches like Spallina has a knack for spotting the girls who, maybe their parents didn’t throw down money for every single exposure opportunity, every chance to be set by IL contributors, for funding and grabbing the real diamonds in the rough. My guess is Amonte-Hiller has that same knack.
North, Scane, Gilbert, Hall and a few others all started relatively late (6th grade I think I read) never looked to see which of them had over of those storybook high school careers, but someone did their homework, chose not to after the low hanging fruit, and identified those with the biggest perceived room to grow at the college level. With the likes of IL and USAlax citing hs “superstars “ in the hotbeds, the real stars might be missed, and the soo called experts evaluations might more often than not be needed to be taken with a grain of salt.
Soo I think part of my point, kinda buried a little, is that how the girls do in college is every bit of if not more a reflection of how they adapted to the college level and intensity of training, not soo much what they speed up with on the first day of college practice

Too much gibberish to respond to, Spallina would love to get more highly ranked players but cannot simply because going to SBU which is essentially a commuter school is not regarded as good a college experience by many. Take the scrimmage that they just played in the last 2 years UVA has brought in 7 UA senior AA to 1 for SBU so yes Spallina does more with players that were not as highly recruited. It is not that he can see their future potential over other coaches but its more that those players did not have as many options so that is who he can recruit to go there. Spallina seems to have the ability to get these players to reach their potential while many other coaches dont. Maybe its the illegal amount of hours that his teams practice ,who knows.

Agree, way to much gibberish...

To be clear, just because a player chooses to attend SBU does not mean that the player was not identified as strong players or recruited by other college programs. For many, cost of attendance is a major factor and for many LI kids SBU can be significantly more affordable than many other schools. Just like Maryland, I'm sure many of the Maryland kids would have loved to go to UNC, Virginia, Stanford, Florida, Penn State, USC, Penn, Princeton, Northwestern, Notre Dame etc... but at what cost?

This notion that the SBU players were not recognized by other programs is not true. Just about all of the high performing players for SBU in the past several years were very well known HS players. For many, it's about the $$$ and the kids happiness.

I seem to recall a post on here not long ago that pointed out that Stony Brook had more players the made the Long Island Underclass Under Armour team than any other college program. Players who earn a spot on the LI Under Armour Underclass teams are not diamond in the rough, they are very well known.

There has been a consistent narrative over the years that Pumps up JS as the best coach in college lacrosse (yes, he is an excellent coach). That narrative has also consistently downplayed the actual ability of the Stony Brook Players.

Stony Brook gets very good players.

Joe knows and recognizes very good players. He is also keenly aware that many good players get overlooked and lost in the politics of LI travel lacrosse. That is his gain for being able to spot these talented players. Yes most of those players he picks up are not at the top of all the notIntelligent “lists and teams”. And many of them go to SBU and break it open. Half credit to Joe’s coaching, polishing them as players, and half discredit to the politics of travel lacrosse. Many of these players were very deserving their whole careers, just ended up on the short end. That is also the chip on the shoulder attitude that joe motivates the whole team with, and he is not wrong.

"Joe knows and recognizes very good players."

I guess other coaches do not know how to recognize very good players. Who are the good players that get overlooked? You make it seem like other coaches are not able to spot talented players. What exactly are you referring to by "all the notIntelligent lists and teams"? What exactly do they break open? So, it's Joe and the politics that are responsible for any success that a Stony Brook player has? The player is not responsible? What exactly were all of these players deserving of?

What exactly has Stony Brook accomplished? You make it sound as though the SBU coach takes players off the street with no experience and wins National Championships with them. We all know JS is a very good coach but the constant beating of the drum of how it's all him is becoming absurd. Just about all of his top players over the years were very well know HS/Club players. As another post pointed out that Stony Brook had more players that made the Long Island Under Armour Underclass Teams than any other college program. The constant belittling of the Stony Brook players is getting old.

Stony Brook is a very good program, JS is a very good coach and Stony Brook gets some very good players. Some of you sycophants must be delusional if you think that JS is the only coach that can identify talent. You act as though the schools that tend to bring in the so called highly touted players are not the best programs in the country. The proof is there for all to see the programs that consistently bring in those highly touted player are consistently the most competitive programs.

When you look their record vs Top 10 teams (5 - 21) during JS's time at Stony Brook it becomes very clear that they are often overrated.

Stony Brook is no different than any other program, they use the same formula, which is: Consistently Identify, recruit and land top tier players/athletes and you will have a very good college team.

No coach wins without talent. as a John Wooden is to have said "it's more about the Jimmy's and the Joe's than about the X's and the 0's"
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All the time they are discussions about high school players that either never pan out, or are the superstars they were expected to be. No one ever mentions the exponentially greater level of training, lifting, practice speed, film, and general level of “ professionalism” that goes along with college lacrosse! Kids from hotbed areas have had more training during ms and hs, yes, but those kids enter college with , in general, little what I call “spare capacity”. Soo maybe coaches like Spallina has a knack for spotting the girls who, maybe their parents didn’t throw down money for every single exposure opportunity, every chance to be set by IL contributors, for funding and grabbing the real diamonds in the rough. My guess is Amonte-Hiller has that same knack.
North, Scane, Gilbert, Hall and a few others all started relatively late (6th grade I think I read) never looked to see which of them had over of those storybook high school careers, but someone did their homework, chose not to after the low hanging fruit, and identified those with the biggest perceived room to grow at the college level. With the likes of IL and USAlax citing hs “superstars “ in the hotbeds, the real stars might be missed, and the soo called experts evaluations might more often than not be needed to be taken with a grain of salt.
Soo I think part of my point, kinda buried a little, is that how the girls do in college is every bit of if not more a reflection of how they adapted to the college level and intensity of training, not soo much what they speed up with on the first day of college practice

Too much gibberish to respond to, Spallina would love to get more highly ranked players but cannot simply because going to SBU which is essentially a commuter school is not regarded as good a college experience by many. Take the scrimmage that they just played in the last 2 years UVA has brought in 7 UA senior AA to 1 for SBU so yes Spallina does more with players that were not as highly recruited. It is not that he can see their future potential over other coaches but its more that those players did not have as many options so that is who he can recruit to go there. Spallina seems to have the ability to get these players to reach their potential while many other coaches dont. Maybe its the illegal amount of hours that his teams practice ,who knows.

Agree, way to much gibberish...

To be clear, just because a player chooses to attend SBU does not mean that the player was not identified as strong players or recruited by other college programs. For many, cost of attendance is a major factor and for many LI kids SBU can be significantly more affordable than many other schools. Just like Maryland, I'm sure many of the Maryland kids would have loved to go to UNC, Virginia, Stanford, Florida, Penn State, USC, Penn, Princeton, Northwestern, Notre Dame etc... but at what cost?

This notion that the SBU players were not recognized by other programs is not true. Just about all of the high performing players for SBU in the past several years were very well known HS players. For many, it's about the $$$ and the kids happiness.

I seem to recall a post on here not long ago that pointed out that Stony Brook had more players the made the Long Island Underclass Under Armour team than any other college program. Players who earn a spot on the LI Under Armour Underclass teams are not diamond in the rough, they are very well known.

There has been a consistent narrative over the years that Pumps up JS as the best coach in college lacrosse (yes, he is an excellent coach). That narrative has also consistently downplayed the actual ability of the Stony Brook Players.

Stony Brook gets very good players.

Joe knows and recognizes very good players. He is also keenly aware that many good players get overlooked and lost in the politics of LI travel lacrosse. That is his gain for being able to spot these talented players. Yes most of those players he picks up are not at the top of all the notIntelligent “lists and teams”. And many of them go to SBU and break it open. Half credit to Joe’s coaching, polishing them as players, and half discredit to the politics of travel lacrosse. Many of these players were very deserving their whole careers, just ended up on the short end. That is also the chip on the shoulder attitude that joe motivates the whole team with, and he is not wrong.

Very tough to follow, what exactly is your point?
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Joe knows and recognizes very good players. He is also keenly aware that many good players get overlooked and lost in the politics of LI travel lacrosse. That is his gain for being able to spot these talented players. Yes most of those players he picks up are not at the top of all the notIntelligent “lists and teams”. And many of them go to SBU and break it open. Half credit to Joe’s coaching, polishing them as players, and half discredit to the politics of travel lacrosse. Many of these players were very deserving their whole careers, just ended up on the short end. That is also the chip on the shoulder attitude that joe motivates the whole team with, and he is not wrong.

Your 5-21 vs top 10 teams who have in general way more players from those “ not intelligent” lists so maybe those lists are more accurate than Joe .

JS is an excellent coach. JS brings in some excellent players. Stony Brook is an excellent program. But this nonsense about JS having some special ability to see talent where others do not is a bit much. Way too much spin and propaganda surrounding the SBU program, not sure where it comes from, can’t tell if it emanates from Stony Brook or if it comes from disgruntled SBU parents who believe their kid was overlooked by UNC, BC, Northwestern, Syracuse etc…

Personally, I just don’t like the way SBU players are diminished by so called supporters of Stony Brook.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Joe knows and recognizes very good players. He is also keenly aware that many good players get overlooked and lost in the politics of LI travel lacrosse. That is his gain for being able to spot these talented players. Yes most of those players he picks up are not at the top of all the notIntelligent “lists and teams”. And many of them go to SBU and break it open. Half credit to Joe’s coaching, polishing them as players, and half discredit to the politics of travel lacrosse. Many of these players were very deserving their whole careers, just ended up on the short end. That is also the chip on the shoulder attitude that joe motivates the whole team with, and he is not wrong.

Your 5-21 vs top 10 teams who have in general way more players from those “ not intelligent” lists so maybe those lists are more accurate than Joe .

Maybe you are on to something. Stony Brook gets some very good players but obviously there are several teams that get better players.

That’s not a knock, it’s just reality. The more I read some of these posts and listen to some people it is apparent that some people have an agenda when it comes to the narrative with respect to Stony Brook. There is definitely an agenda at play.
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All the time they are discussions about high school players that either never pan out, or are the superstars they were expected to be. No one ever mentions the exponentially greater level of training, lifting, practice speed, film, and general level of “ professionalism” that goes along with college lacrosse! Kids from hotbed areas have had more training during ms and hs, yes, but those kids enter college with , in general, little what I call “spare capacity”. Soo maybe coaches like Spallina has a knack for spotting the girls who, maybe their parents didn’t throw down money for every single exposure opportunity, every chance to be set by IL contributors, for funding and grabbing the real diamonds in the rough. My guess is Amonte-Hiller has that same knack.
North, Scane, Gilbert, Hall and a few others all started relatively late (6th grade I think I read) never looked to see which of them had over of those storybook high school careers, but someone did their homework, chose not to after the low hanging fruit, and identified those with the biggest perceived room to grow at the college level. With the likes of IL and USAlax citing hs “superstars “ in the hotbeds, the real stars might be missed, and the soo called experts evaluations might more often than not be needed to be taken with a grain of salt.
Soo I think part of my point, kinda buried a little, is that how the girls do in college is every bit of if not more a reflection of how they adapted to the college level and intensity of training, not soo much what they speed up with on the first day of college practice

I think the point here is a very good one. Basically, hotbed players are strong due to the abundance of good coaches and strong competition in the hotbeds. And, they are very developed players by the time they get to college. Players like North, Scane, Gilbert, Hall (from Texas, Michigan, Oregon & Texas) come from areas that have so much less access to that level of opportunity. Recruiting - Coaches are actively seeking those players because they hope they will have much more potential to grow. If you look at the Adrenaline All American 2023 watch list (best to the west), there are a good number of west coast players going to strong DI programs.

Look at the men's game. UVA's Lars Tiffany was quoted saying this exact thing about the west coast players and said that he seeks them out. There has already had a tewaarton winner from Oregon (and Charlotte North is from Texas).

Coaches are looking for those kids from outside the hotbed who can play to the level in high school club play, despite not having had as much access to all the east coast opportunities - they will have more potential for growth.
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All the time they are discussions about high school players that either never pan out, or are the superstars they were expected to be. No one ever mentions the exponentially greater level of training, lifting, practice speed, film, and general level of “ professionalism” that goes along with college lacrosse! Kids from hotbed areas have had more training during ms and hs, yes, but those kids enter college with , in general, little what I call “spare capacity”. Soo maybe coaches like Spallina has a knack for spotting the girls who, maybe their parents didn’t throw down money for every single exposure opportunity, every chance to be set by IL contributors, for funding and grabbing the real diamonds in the rough. My guess is Amonte-Hiller has that same knack.
North, Scane, Gilbert, Hall and a few others all started relatively late (6th grade I think I read) never looked to see which of them had over of those storybook high school careers, but someone did their homework, chose not to after the low hanging fruit, and identified those with the biggest perceived room to grow at the college level. With the likes of IL and USAlax citing hs “superstars “ in the hotbeds, the real stars might be missed, and the soo called experts evaluations might more often than not be needed to be taken with a grain of salt.
Soo I think part of my point, kinda buried a little, is that how the girls do in college is every bit of if not more a reflection of how they adapted to the college level and intensity of training, not soo much what they speed up with on the first day of college practice

I think the point here is a very good one. Basically, hotbed players are strong due to the abundance of good coaches and strong competition in the hotbeds. And, they are very developed players by the time they get to college. Players like North, Scane, Gilbert, Hall (from Texas, Michigan, Oregon & Texas) come from areas that have so much less access to that level of opportunity. Recruiting - Coaches are actively seeking those players because they hope they will have much more potential to grow. If you look at the Adrenaline All American 2023 watch list (best to the west), there are a good number of west coast players going to strong DI programs.

Look at the men's game. UVA's Lars Tiffany was quoted saying this exact thing about the west coast players and said that he seeks them out. There has already had a tewaarton winner from Oregon (and Charlotte North is from Texas).

Coaches are looking for those kids from outside the hotbed who can play to the level in high school club play, despite not having had as much access to all the east coast opportunities - they will have more potential for growth.

Coaches look for the best athletes / players that they can find. They could care less where the player is from. Just like when Coaches say that they like Multi Sport Athletes, they want "Athletes". It just so happens that the best athletes have the ability to excel at multiple sports. You will not see Lars or any other coach recruit a kid that plays three sports but sits on the bench in all three, nor will you see him take a kid from California just because he is a west coast kid.

I do not put much stock in what the coaches say, just go back and listen to the nonsense that they spewed about "early recruiting" after listing to them or reading what they were saying publicly how they didn't like it I would then see them on the sidelines watching 8th and 9th graders.

Coaches know what they like and they know what they are looking for, they do not care where the kid is from.
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Joe knows and recognizes very good players. He is also keenly aware that many good players get overlooked and lost in the politics of LI travel lacrosse. That is his gain for being able to spot these talented players. Yes most of those players he picks up are not at the top of all the notIntelligent “lists and teams”. And many of them go to SBU and break it open. Half credit to Joe’s coaching, polishing them as players, and half discredit to the politics of travel lacrosse. Many of these players were very deserving their whole careers, just ended up on the short end. That is also the chip on the shoulder attitude that joe motivates the whole team with, and he is not wrong.

Your 5-21 vs top 10 teams who have in general way more players from those “ not intelligent” lists so maybe those lists are more accurate than Joe .

JS is an excellent coach. JS brings in some excellent players. Stony Brook is an excellent program. But this nonsense about JS having some special ability to see talent where others do not is a bit much. Way too much spin and propaganda surrounding the SBU program, not sure where it comes from, can’t tell if it emanates from Stony Brook or if it comes from disgruntled SBU parents who believe their kid was overlooked by UNC, BC, Northwestern, Syracuse etc…

Personally, I just don’t like the way SBU players are diminished by so called supporters of Stony Brook.

Stony Brook receives a lot of hype due to their usually impressive record. If they played a difficult schedule they would never receive all the hype or high ranking because their record would be very average. Yes they are a very good program but their schedule is nothin like other teams that are considered to be Top 10 programs.
Not sure that they would finish in the Top 10 very often if they played a difficult schedule. Top 20 yes, Top 10 maybe not.
Some good game this coming weekend.

Syracuse Vs Stanford
Northwestern Vs Boston College
JMU Vs UNC
Notre Dame Vs Michigan

New Coach at Cuse. New Offensive look at NU. How will the new faces at UNC fit in? Can Michigan pull off an upset?
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Some good game this coming weekend.

Syracuse Vs Stanford
Northwestern Vs Boston College
JMU Vs UNC
Notre Dame Vs Michigan

New Coach at Cuse. New Offensive look at NU. How will the new faces at UNC fit in? Can Michigan pull off an upset?

There should be some really great games this weekend! So excited about lax starting up.
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Some good game this coming weekend.

Syracuse Vs Stanford
Northwestern Vs Boston College
JMU Vs UNC
Notre Dame Vs Michigan

New Coach at Cuse. New Offensive look at NU. How will the new faces at UNC fit in? Can Michigan pull off an upset?

There should be some really great games this weekend! So excited about lax starting up.

Michigan was pretty tough in 19 and 20. Hard to tell last year because of the Big 10 only schedule. Honestly surprised they have not been more competitive simply because the school has so much to offer. Maybe they will be the next program to consistently be a Top 20 team. Great academics, great athletic / lacrosse facilities no reason they should not be a Top 10 - 20 Program.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the time they are discussions about high school players that either never pan out, or are the superstars they were expected to be. No one ever mentions the exponentially greater level of training, lifting, practice speed, film, and general level of “ professionalism” that goes along with college lacrosse! Kids from hotbed areas have had more training during ms and hs, yes, but those kids enter college with , in general, little what I call “spare capacity”. Soo maybe coaches like Spallina has a knack for spotting the girls who, maybe their parents didn’t throw down money for every single exposure opportunity, every chance to be set by IL contributors, for funding and grabbing the real diamonds in the rough. My guess is Amonte-Hiller has that same knack.
North, Scane, Gilbert, Hall and a few others all started relatively late (6th grade I think I read) never looked to see which of them had over of those storybook high school careers, but someone did their homework, chose not to after the low hanging fruit, and identified those with the biggest perceived room to grow at the college level. With the likes of IL and USAlax citing hs “superstars “ in the hotbeds, the real stars might be missed, and the soo called experts evaluations might more often than not be needed to be taken with a grain of salt.
Soo I think part of my point, kinda buried a little, is that how the girls do in college is every bit of if not more a reflection of how they adapted to the college level and intensity of training, not soo much what they speed up with on the first day of college practice

Somewhat incoherent. That said, All of the players that you mention were known to everyone while in HS, they were not diamond in the rough. In this day and age kids can get get good training just about everywhere but atr the end of the day, they player needs to put in the time and most importantly have the God given natural athletic ability.

I'm not exactly sure what the following even means

"Soo maybe coaches like Spallina has a knack for spotting the girls who, maybe their parents didn’t throw down money for every single exposure opportunity, every chance to be set by IL contributors, for funding and grabbing the real diamonds in the rough. "

I assume that you believe that if you spend the $$ you will be recognized by Inside lacrosse. Sorry, there are thousands of parents who spend thousands of dollars sending their kids to everything and they are never recognized. It's not about the $$ it's about the players ability. JS is a very good coach but he is not finding "diamonds in the rough" he is finding good players that pretty much everyone knows are good players.

It sounds to me like your daughter might not have been recognized by IL so you believe the evaluators got it wrong. Most of the players who have been recognized by the likes of IL and USA Lax have also been recognized by the best college programs because that is where the large majority of those players go to school.

By the way, pretty sure North, Scane were both recognized by the experts... no need to take their opinion with a grain of salt.

The real experts are the college coaches at the best college programs and they tend to agree with the people at IL, UA and USA Lax more times than not.

It's not very difficult to spot talented athletes, not too many slip through the cracks.
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Did some SB research because numbers seemed off ( not shocked ) was actually interesting to look back on box scores during Spallina’s tenure they are 36 -25 vs Top 20 opponents was interesting to look at results before he arrived they were terrible. Every season on their archive has the rank of teams on their schedule. Regardless so glad games start this week

The numbers are not off.

You looked at where the opponents were ranked when the games were played, rankings change throughout the season based on performance. The numbers in the previous post reflect Stony Brooks Record vs the opponents actual end of season "Final Ranking" which is the only ranking worth anything. Just because a team is Ranked #1 doesn't mean we crown them National Champions, they actually have to play the games and we see where they end up.

You can beat a team that was ranked 10th on March 1st but if that team is not ranked in the Top 20 at the end of the season you did not beat the number 10 team.

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 5 - 21 vs Top 10 Teams (end of season ranking).

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 22 - 25 vs Top 20 Teams (end of season ranking).


Just looked quickly at some of their schedules on line:

2021 - schedule has USC ranked 13. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2019 - schedule has Hopkins ranked 1. Hopkins was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2018 - schedule has USC ranked 5. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2017 - schedule has Towson ranked 19. Towson was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.

I'm sure there are several more examples in previous years.

Did you also count wins over UMBC ranked #4 and Albany ranked # 2 as they are listed on the schedule? (wouldn't be shocked)

Try to spin it any way you want but the numbers are accurate.

Did not use AE tourn ranks as ranked games so come on and also if you play a team and at the time of the game the team is ranked it’s beating a ranked a opponent on your in season resume . You also can spin it however you want. I understand what you are saying but the ncaa tournament doesn’t operate that way. Be interesting to see other teams in that 6-15 area ranking Good interesting conversation

Nah, if a team falls out of the rankings than you did not beat a ranked team. I don't see any spin in the post that you are responding to, the actual record is the record, it's not spin. It is a fact not opinion that SBU has not done very well against Top 10 teams (nothing wrong with that very few teams do well vs Top 10 teams).

Maybe I am wrong but it seems that Stony Brook usually gets ranked high in the preseason, plays a significantly weaker schedule than the majority of teams that are ranked in the Top 20 therefor they do not lose many games and they remain ranked high throughout the season. Their Strength of Schedule is probably on par with programs like USC and Stanford who over the years have had some success and have been ranked fairly high from time to time but are usually exposed come tournament time. Unfortunately you can not use a teams record as a barometer in Women's Lacrosse when comparing teams from different conferences due to the fact that the level of competition varies so greatly. Some years, teams like UVA, Duke, Penn State, Hopkins might have to play UNC, BC, Northwestern or Maryland 2 or even 3 times because of conference and NCAA tournaments.
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Did some SB research because numbers seemed off ( not shocked ) was actually interesting to look back on box scores during Spallina’s tenure they are 36 -25 vs Top 20 opponents was interesting to look at results before he arrived they were terrible. Every season on their archive has the rank of teams on their schedule. Regardless so glad games start this week

The numbers are not off.

You looked at where the opponents were ranked when the games were played, rankings change throughout the season based on performance. The numbers in the previous post reflect Stony Brooks Record vs the opponents actual end of season "Final Ranking" which is the only ranking worth anything. Just because a team is Ranked #1 doesn't mean we crown them National Champions, they actually have to play the games and we see where they end up.

You can beat a team that was ranked 10th on March 1st but if that team is not ranked in the Top 20 at the end of the season you did not beat the number 10 team.

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 5 - 21 vs Top 10 Teams (end of season ranking).

Since 2012, Stony Brook is 22 - 25 vs Top 20 Teams (end of season ranking).


Just looked quickly at some of their schedules on line:

2021 - schedule has USC ranked 13. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2019 - schedule has Hopkins ranked 1. Hopkins was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2018 - schedule has USC ranked 5. USC was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.
2017 - schedule has Towson ranked 19. Towson was not Ranked in the Top 20 in the Final Ranking.

I'm sure there are several more examples in previous years.

Did you also count wins over UMBC ranked #4 and Albany ranked # 2 as they are listed on the schedule? (wouldn't be shocked)

Try to spin it any way you want but the numbers are accurate.

Did not use AE tourn ranks as ranked games so come on and also if you play a team and at the time of the game the team is ranked it’s beating a ranked a opponent on your in season resume . You also can spin it however you want. I understand what you are saying but the ncaa tournament doesn’t operate that way. Be interesting to see other teams in that 6-15 area ranking Good interesting conversation

The NCAA Tournament absolutely operates that way, The Rankings are not supposed to be used, they use their own RPI formula to rank teams and they use the ranking as it actually is at the end of the regular season. So if a team had a Top 10 RPI in week three of the season but that team lost a bunch of games was not in the RPI Top 10 at the end of the regular season then you are not given credit for have a Top 10 win. That is reality, not spin.
Does ND beating up on central Michigan really help
Them become a better team or are they just padding stats a la Stony Brook?
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Does ND beating up on central Michigan really help
Them become a better team or are they just padding stats a la Stony Brook?

Not really a fair comparison. Stony Brook dose a very good job scheduling strong programs for their OOC games.ND has had to lighten their OOC schedule a bit in order to ensure at least a .500 record so they can be considered for an at large bid to the Tournament. In any event, this is not youth lacrosse, as long as the stronger team clears their bench “early “ it’s okay. You have to let the players play, they can’t run around playing keep away. That said, It would be nice to see more assisted goals.

My guess is that if Stony Brook were an ACC team they would have to lighten their out of conference schedule a little as well. The reality is, most ACC and Big 10 teams have to be careful who they play OOC.
Wow North doesn’t disappoint at all. She is sensational. NW has to go back to positional defense and learn the lost trait of body position first, don’t chase the stick and learn how to take the charge and force through. North does a great job driving to cage and womens lax rules allow it. Have to play body defense on her even to have a chance.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does ND beating up on central Michigan really help
Them become a better team or are they just padding stats a la Stony Brook?

Not really a fair comparison. Stony Brook dose a very good job scheduling strong programs for their OOC games.ND has had to lighten their OOC schedule a bit in order to ensure at least a .500 record so they can be considered for an at large bid to the Tournament. In any event, this is not youth lacrosse, as long as the stronger team clears their bench “early “ it’s okay. You have to let the players play, they can’t run around playing keep away. That said, It would be nice to see more assisted goals.

My guess is that if Stony Brook were an ACC team they would have to lighten their out of conference schedule a little as well. The reality is, most ACC and Big 10 teams have to be careful who they play OOC.

Duke's out of conference schedule is awful. So far they outscored Gardner-Webb and Elon by a combined 47-8. Look at the rest of their non-conference and there is only one remotely competitive game with Penn.

Gardner-Webb 22-3
Elon 25-5
William & Mary
High Point
Wofford
East Carolina
Penn
Davidson
Liberty
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Wow North doesn’t disappoint at all. She is sensational. NW has to go back to positional defense and learn the lost trait of body position first, don’t chase the stick and learn how to take the charge and force through. North does a great job driving to cage and womens lax rules allow it. Have to play body defense on her even to have a chance.

And she was face-guarded!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow North doesn’t disappoint at all. She is sensational. NW has to go back to positional defense and learn the lost trait of body position first, don’t chase the stick and learn how to take the charge and force through. North does a great job driving to cage and womens lax rules allow it. Have to play body defense on her even to have a chance.

And she was face-guarded!


She only disappoints if you play on the same team as her or when she goes up against the actual best player in the country .
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow North doesn’t disappoint at all. She is sensational. NW has to go back to positional defense and learn the lost trait of body position first, don’t chase the stick and learn how to take the charge and force through. North does a great job driving to cage and womens lax rules allow it. Have to play body defense on her even to have a chance.

And she was face-guarded!


She only disappoints if you play on the same team as her or when she goes up against the actual best player in the country .
Here we go again…obvious troll…..save it
Don’t take the bait. Obvious troll….just not sure what ur hoping to achieve with this ?
ND and Stanford didn’t disappoint as usual. At least 4 more L for ND
Well I guess confused as she is the best player in the country I would think.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow North doesn’t disappoint at all. She is sensational. NW has to go back to positional defense and learn the lost trait of body position first, don’t chase the stick and learn how to take the charge and force through. North does a great job driving to cage and womens lax rules allow it. Have to play body defense on her even to have a chance.

And she was face-guarded!


She only disappoints if you play on the same team as her or when she goes up against the actual best player in the country .

Wow, such an insightful and informative post, thanks for taking the time to add to the conversation. Now slither back under your rock.
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Does ND beating up on central Michigan really help
Them become a better team or are they just padding stats a la Stony Brook?

Not really a fair comparison. Stony Brook dose a very good job scheduling strong programs for their OOC games.ND has had to lighten their OOC schedule a bit in order to ensure at least a .500 record so they can be considered for an at large bid to the Tournament. In any event, this is not youth lacrosse, as long as the stronger team clears their bench “early “ it’s okay. You have to let the players play, they can’t run around playing keep away. That said, It would be nice to see more assisted goals.

My guess is that if Stony Brook were an ACC team they would have to lighten their out of conference schedule a little as well. The reality is, most ACC and Big 10 teams have to be careful who they play OOC.

Duke's out of conference schedule is awful. So far they outscored Gardner-Webb and Elon by a combined 47-8. Look at the rest of their non-conference and there is only one remotely competitive game with Penn.

Gardner-Webb 22-3
Elon 25-5
William & Mary
High Point
Wofford
East Carolina
Penn
Davidson
Liberty

Hard to compare ACC teams to Stony Brook. ACC schedules are very difficult while Stony Brook plays a very soft schedule each year.

Stony Brook has used this to their advantage and it has obviously benefited them. Stony Brook pads their record every year which gets them ranked exceedingly high but their high ranking has always been based upon hype and not performance. It is what it is and it is not the fault of SBU that their conference is not super competitive but at the end of the day it has help them in the rankings but possibly left them unprepared for the NCAA Tournament.
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ND and Stanford didn’t disappoint as usual. At least 4 more L for ND

Stanford looked pretty good, very competitive on the road against Syracuse. As for ND we have no Idea how good Michigan is so can't really tell much. Long season but ND was probably ranked too high to begin the season.
So after all the talk I had to watch. A closer game than I thought since i just saw final score and read the articles. 10-6 after three. Both goalies solid. What was glaring to me is refs. Can’t have a junior ref on a game this level. Struggled in basic rules.

Good luck to both teams as they move forward. Both team played hard.
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Wow North doesn’t disappoint at all. She is sensational. NW has to go back to positional defense and learn the lost trait of body position first, don’t chase the stick and learn how to take the charge and force through. North does a great job driving to cage and womens lax rules allow it. Have to play body defense on her even to have a chance.

And she was face-guarded!


She only disappoints if you play on the same team as her or when she goes up against the actual best player in the country .

Wow, such an insightful and informative post, thanks for taking the time to add to the conversation. Now slither back under your rock.


You cancel culture CN sycophants are ridiculous. Someone dares to think CN is not the best player in the country and you go all fan girl . Sorry I happen to think the best player in the country is a defender. You all come on here with your defense wins championships but if someone thinks that a defender is the best player in the game it can't be because she does not run with her head down to goal. Is CN the best dodger in the NCAA , yes. Is she very good at the draw yes, as those things are very important it makes her one of the top players in the country. Does she get her team involved ,not really, good at the ride ,not really. I have watched Trenchard from UNC get the better of just about every teams best offensive player without employing a faceguard or them sending an early slide . If you think BC beat UNC last year because of CN you are just wrong it was in spite of her which tells you she is surrounded by a very good team . If you think her offensive teammates enjoy watching her dodge with her head down and not see her open teammates you would be wrong again even if she puts the ball in the back of the net.
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So after all the talk I had to watch. A closer game than I thought since i just saw final score and read the articles. 10-6 after three. Both goalies solid. What was glaring to me is refs. Can’t have a junior ref on a game this level. Struggled in basic rules.

Good luck to both teams as they move forward. Both team played hard.

What talk? What game are you talking about?
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ND and Stanford didn’t disappoint as usual. At least 4 more L for ND

Stanford looked pretty good, very competitive on the road against Syracuse. As for ND we have no Idea how good Michigan is so can't really tell much. Long season but ND was probably ranked too high to begin the season.
That said Stanford was missing their best player but did not look as competitive on Sunday.
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Does ND beating up on central Michigan really help
Them become a better team or are they just padding stats a la Stony Brook?

Not really a fair comparison. Stony Brook dose a very good job scheduling strong programs for their OOC games.ND has had to lighten their OOC schedule a bit in order to ensure at least a .500 record so they can be considered for an at large bid to the Tournament. In any event, this is not youth lacrosse, as long as the stronger team clears their bench “early “ it’s okay. You have to let the players play, they can’t run around playing keep away. That said, It would be nice to see more assisted goals.

My guess is that if Stony Brook were an ACC team they would have to lighten their out of conference schedule a little as well. The reality is, most ACC and Big 10 teams have to be careful who they play OOC.

Duke's out of conference schedule is awful. So far they outscored Gardner-Webb and Elon by a combined 47-8. Look at the rest of their non-conference and there is only one remotely competitive game with Penn.

Gardner-Webb 22-3
Elon 25-5
William & Mary
High Point
Wofford
East Carolina
Penn
Davidson
Liberty

Hard to compare ACC teams to Stony Brook. ACC schedules are very difficult while Stony Brook plays a very soft schedule each year.

Stony Brook has used this to their advantage and it has obviously benefited them. Stony Brook pads their record every year which gets them ranked exceedingly high but their high ranking has always been based upon hype and not performance. It is what it is and it is not the fault of SBU that their conference is not super competitive but at the end of the day it has help them in the rankings but possibly left them unprepared for the NCAA Tournament.


Actually, it is fairly easy to compare. You are giving Duke a pass simply because they are in the ACC and discounting Stony Brook because they are not. Here is a comparison of of their schedules as it relates to current top 25 teams (obviously those rankings can change). Their top 25 team schedules are very comparable and I would argue that Stony Brook has a more competitive non-top 25 schedule.

DUKE Top 25- Syracuse, UNC, BC, Virginia, Notre Dame and Penn
Duke Other- Virginia Tech, Louisville, Pitt, Gardner-Webb, William & Mary, High Point, Wofford, East Carolina, Davidson, Liberty

Stony Brook Top 25- Syracuse, Northwestern, Florida, Princeton and Johns Hopkins
Stony Brook Other- Dartmouth, Arizona State, Yale, Brown, Hofstra, Albany, Binghamton, Vermont, UMBC, UMASS-Lowell, New Hampshire, Vermont
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ND and Stanford didn’t disappoint as usual. At least 4 more L for ND

Stanford looked pretty good, very competitive on the road against Syracuse. As for ND we have no Idea how good Michigan is so can't really tell much. Long season but ND was probably ranked too high to begin the season.

From the preseason top 5 poll, only one team got bounced, ND. Stony Brook somehow climbs two spots into the top 5 (#4), without even playing, that's a nice trick. Northwestern gets handled badly by BC and drops a little bit, below SBU, who would also get spanked by BC. Notre Dame was handled fairly easy this weekend, very surprised how uncompetitive they were in that game, but at least suffered the consequence in the poll. Mich boosted their stock up big, but ND may be suspect, ND stock definitely down. UNC not too much trouble with JMU, both teams stock about the same. Cuse struggled against a ranked Stan, but pulled it out at end and then ran away with another, stock even as is Stanford stock. Other than a big drop for ND and a big rise for Mich, the rest of the rankings reasonably steady. Mich jumped up 12 spots in the poll while ND only dropped 7 spots. That basically means seven teams lost poll spots from that one game and 12 teams were leap frogged. That one was a major upset and was the big shake up for this week. It will be interesting to see how both those teams fair the rest of the season. All other teams/games were not very telling, a few ranked teams pounding down some very poor competition, as expected. Teams expected to win, won, teams expected to lose, lost. The only team that looked like natty contenders so far was BC, but that only because they were playing a very competitive team out of the gate and getting it done easily.
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Does ND beating up on central Michigan really help
Them become a better team or are they just padding stats a la Stony Brook?

Not really a fair comparison. Stony Brook dose a very good job scheduling strong programs for their OOC games.ND has had to lighten their OOC schedule a bit in order to ensure at least a .500 record so they can be considered for an at large bid to the Tournament. In any event, this is not youth lacrosse, as long as the stronger team clears their bench “early “ it’s okay. You have to let the players play, they can’t run around playing keep away. That said, It would be nice to see more assisted goals.

My guess is that if Stony Brook were an ACC team they would have to lighten their out of conference schedule a little as well. The reality is, most ACC and Big 10 teams have to be careful who they play OOC.

Duke's out of conference schedule is awful. So far they outscored Gardner-Webb and Elon by a combined 47-8. Look at the rest of their non-conference and there is only one remotely competitive game with Penn.

Gardner-Webb 22-3
Elon 25-5
William & Mary
High Point
Wofford
East Carolina
Penn
Davidson
Liberty

Hard to compare ACC teams to Stony Brook. ACC schedules are very difficult while Stony Brook plays a very soft schedule each year.

Stony Brook has used this to their advantage and it has obviously benefited them. Stony Brook pads their record every year which gets them ranked exceedingly high but their high ranking has always been based upon hype and not performance. It is what it is and it is not the fault of SBU that their conference is not super competitive but at the end of the day it has help them in the rankings but possibly left them unprepared for the NCAA Tournament.


Actually, it is fairly easy to compare. You are giving Duke a pass simply because they are in the ACC and discounting Stony Brook because they are not. Here is a comparison of of their schedules as it relates to current top 25 teams (obviously those rankings can change). Their top 25 team schedules are very comparable and I would argue that Stony Brook has a more competitive non-top 25 schedule.

DUKE Top 25- Syracuse, UNC, BC, Virginia, Notre Dame and Penn
Duke Other- Virginia Tech, Louisville, Pitt, Gardner-Webb, William & Mary, High Point, Wofford, East Carolina, Davidson, Liberty

Stony Brook Top 25- Syracuse, Northwestern, Florida, Princeton and Johns Hopkins
Stony Brook Other- Dartmouth, Arizona State, Yale, Brown, Hofstra, Albany, Binghamton, Vermont, UMBC, UMASS-Lowell, New Hampshire, Vermont

Duke and to some degree Notre Dame have had to schedule less competitive programs for their non conference games because they need to make sure that they are at least .500 so they can be considered for the NCAA tournament.
Stony Brook tries to schedule tough non conference games against competitive programs however there is no guarantee that the programs will be Top 10 or even top 20 in a given year. The result is that Stony Brook plays nowhere near as competitive a schedule as the majority of programs that are considered to be the strongest programs. It is not close and as the post that you are responding to states the relatively weak schedule benefits Stony Brook. Over the years if Stony Brook played a similar schedule to what Maryland, UNC, Syracuse, Northwestern, Virginia, Boston College, Penn State, Notre Dame, Princeton, Florida and Duke the perception of Stony Brook would be much different than it is because the record would be nowhere as impressive as it has been and they would never be ranked as high as they have been. Stony Brooks actual performance vs high caliber teams has not been very good but their overall record is usually outstanding. They just do not play many games against top tier teams the way other highly regarded programs do. Lets see how they do this year, they have a hand full of strong programs on the schedule but at this point we have no idea how those teams will perform. Syracuse has a new coach and injury issues, Northwestern is without a top T award contender, Florida lost a lot to graduation, Princeton has not played a real game in 2 years, same goes for Dartmouth who is usually pretty good but not up there with the top teams and although Hopkins is competitive program they are usually in that 17 - 25 range not top 10 range. Hofstra may take a little step back this year, Albany is competitive every now and then, Arizona State is up and coming but I do not see any of those teams beating Stony Brook and I don't think the rest of the teams on their schedule have much of a chance. Just my opinion, I think it will come down to how they do against Syracuse, Northwestern, Florida and Princeton (and we do not know how those teams will be). If those teams are Top 10 I think SBU will need to beat two of them if they are not top 10 they might have to beat more than that, it is just the way it works out because of the CAA's punitive actions.
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ND and Stanford didn’t disappoint as usual. At least 4 more L for ND

Stanford looked pretty good, very competitive on the road against Syracuse. As for ND we have no Idea how good Michigan is so can't really tell much. Long season but ND was probably ranked too high to begin the season.

From the preseason top 5 poll, only one team got bounced, ND. Stony Brook somehow climbs two spots into the top 5 (#4), without even playing, that's a nice trick. Northwestern gets handled badly by BC and drops a little bit, below SBU, who would also get spanked by BC. Notre Dame was handled fairly easy this weekend, very surprised how uncompetitive they were in that game, but at least suffered the consequence in the poll. Mich boosted their stock up big, but ND may be suspect, ND stock definitely down. UNC not too much trouble with JMU, both teams stock about the same. Cuse struggled against a ranked Stan, but pulled it out at end and then ran away with another, stock even as is Stanford stock. Other than a big drop for ND and a big rise for Mich, the rest of the rankings reasonably steady. Mich jumped up 12 spots in the poll while ND only dropped 7 spots. That basically means seven teams lost poll spots from that one game and 12 teams were leap frogged. That one was a major upset and was the big shake up for this week. It will be interesting to see how both those teams fair the rest of the season. All other teams/games were not very telling, a few ranked teams pounding down some very poor competition, as expected. Teams expected to win, won, teams expected to lose, lost. The only team that looked like natty contenders so far was BC, but that only because they were playing a very competitive team out of the gate and getting it done easily.

You are assuming Northwestern will be very competitive.

I agree with you on Stony Brook, nice trick jumping two spots without playing a game but I think the bigger trick was being ranked 6th to begin with. I would really like to know the justification for that, seems to happen every year but they have never really done anything to justify it.
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Does ND beating up on central Michigan really help
Them become a better team or are they just padding stats a la Stony Brook?

Not really a fair comparison. Stony Brook dose a very good job scheduling strong programs for their OOC games.ND has had to lighten their OOC schedule a bit in order to ensure at least a .500 record so they can be considered for an at large bid to the Tournament. In any event, this is not youth lacrosse, as long as the stronger team clears their bench “early “ it’s okay. You have to let the players play, they can’t run around playing keep away. That said, It would be nice to see more assisted goals.

My guess is that if Stony Brook were an ACC team they would have to lighten their out of conference schedule a little as well. The reality is, most ACC and Big 10 teams have to be careful who they play OOC.

Duke's out of conference schedule is awful. So far they outscored Gardner-Webb and Elon by a combined 47-8. Look at the rest of their non-conference and there is only one remotely competitive game with Penn.

Gardner-Webb 22-3
Elon 25-5
William & Mary
High Point
Wofford
East Carolina
Penn
Davidson
Liberty

Hard to compare ACC teams to Stony Brook. ACC schedules are very difficult while Stony Brook plays a very soft schedule each year.

Stony Brook has used this to their advantage and it has obviously benefited them. Stony Brook pads their record every year which gets them ranked exceedingly high but their high ranking has always been based upon hype and not performance. It is what it is and it is not the fault of SBU that their conference is not super competitive but at the end of the day it has help them in the rankings but possibly left them unprepared for the NCAA Tournament.


Actually, it is fairly easy to compare. You are giving Duke a pass simply because they are in the ACC and discounting Stony Brook because they are not. Here is a comparison of of their schedules as it relates to current top 25 teams (obviously those rankings can change). Their top 25 team schedules are very comparable and I would argue that Stony Brook has a more competitive non-top 25 schedule.

DUKE Top 25- Syracuse, UNC, BC, Virginia, Notre Dame and Penn
Duke Other- Virginia Tech, Louisville, Pitt, Gardner-Webb, William & Mary, High Point, Wofford, East Carolina, Davidson, Liberty

Stony Brook Top 25- Syracuse, Northwestern, Florida, Princeton and Johns Hopkins
Stony Brook Other- Dartmouth, Arizona State, Yale, Brown, Hofstra, Albany, Binghamton, Vermont, UMBC, UMASS-Lowell, New Hampshire, Vermont

Duke and to some degree Notre Dame have had to schedule less competitive programs for their non conference games because they need to make sure that they are at least .500 so they can be considered for the NCAA tournament.
Stony Brook tries to schedule tough non conference games against competitive programs however there is no guarantee that the programs will be Top 10 or even top 20 in a given year. The result is that Stony Brook plays nowhere near as competitive a schedule as the majority of programs that are considered to be the strongest programs. It is not close and as the post that you are responding to states the relatively weak schedule benefits Stony Brook. Over the years if Stony Brook played a similar schedule to what Maryland, UNC, Syracuse, Northwestern, Virginia, Boston College, Penn State, Notre Dame, Princeton, Florida and Duke the perception of Stony Brook would be much different than it is because the record would be nowhere as impressive as it has been and they would never be ranked as high as they have been. Stony Brooks actual performance vs high caliber teams has not been very good but their overall record is usually outstanding. They just do not play many games against top tier teams the way other highly regarded programs do. Lets see how they do this year, they have a hand full of strong programs on the schedule but at this point we have no idea how those teams will perform. Syracuse has a new coach and injury issues, Northwestern is without a top T award contender, Florida lost a lot to graduation, Princeton has not played a real game in 2 years, same goes for Dartmouth who is usually pretty good but not up there with the top teams and although Hopkins is competitive program they are usually in that 17 - 25 range not top 10 range. Hofstra may take a little step back this year, Albany is competitive every now and then, Arizona State is up and coming but I do not see any of those teams beating Stony Brook and I don't think the rest of the teams on their schedule have much of a chance. Just my opinion, I think it will come down to how they do against Syracuse, Northwestern, Florida and Princeton (and we do not know how those teams will be). If those teams are Top 10 I think SBU will need to beat two of them if they are not top 10 they might have to beat more than that, it is just the way it works out because of the CAA's punitive actions.


Now apply that same analytical review to Duke's schedule. Dismiss Syracuse like you did above, dismiss Penn like you did to Princeton above. That leaves Duke with UNC, BC, Virginia and ND. Want to dismiss ND based on their performance against Michigan they are down to 3. So based on 3 very difficult games, that means their out of conference schedule should be Gardner-Webb, William & Mary, High Point, Wofford, East Carolina, Davidson and Liberty with Penn already discounted? That schedule is just as bad as Stony Brook's conference schedule. I do not discount your view of Stony Brook's schedule from a historical perspective but giving Duke a pass on theirs this season is off base.
So hard to watch these miss matched contests. It’s actually disgusting watching some of these teams beating lower level teams down 20-3. Can’t wait till the get their’s. What poor sportsmanship is being displayed. Duke has to be joking beating up on non competitive teams like that. I’ll have my popcorn out when you play BC!
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So hard to watch these miss matched contests. It’s actually disgusting watching some of these teams beating lower level teams down 20-3. Can’t wait till the get their’s. What poor sportsmanship is being displayed. Duke has to be joking beating up on non competitive teams like that. I’ll have my popcorn out when you play BC!

Is it poor sportsmanship when other teams do it? Or just Duke?
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So hard to watch these miss matched contests. It’s actually disgusting watching some of these teams beating lower level teams down 20-3. Can’t wait till the get their’s. What poor sportsmanship is being displayed. Duke has to be joking beating up on non competitive teams like that. I’ll have my popcorn out when you play BC!

So true , putting up 25 is gross and even worse when you have pathetic players running up their numbers in these games
Division I Womens’s Lacrosse 2-14-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll
1 Boston College (1 - 0) 575 (23) 1
2 North Carolina (1 - 0) 552 2
3 Syracuse (2 - 0) 529 3
4 Stony Brook (0 - 0) 460 6
5 Northwestern (0 - 1) 442 4
6 Duke (2 - 0) 439 8
7 Florida (1 - 0) 428 7
8 Maryland (1 - 0) 421 9
9 Loyola (0 - 0) 371 10
10 Virginia (2 - 0) 351 11
11 Michigan (2 - 0) 328 23
12 Notre Dame (1 - 1) 326 5
13 James Madison (0 - 1) 300 12
14 Stanford (1 - 1) 297 13
15 Denver (1 - 0) 294 14
16 Princeton (0 - 0) 212 15
17 Rutgers (1 - 0) 204 17
18 Jacksonville (1 - 0) 195 18
19 Drexel (1 - 0) 167 16
20 Penn (0 - 0) 122 19
21 Johns Hopkins (1 - 0) 110 20
22 Temple (1 - 0) 76 22
23 UConn (0 - 0) 64 21
24 UMass (1 - 0) 57 24
25 Penn State (0 - 0) 33 25
RV UAlbany, Navy, Colorado, USC, Vanderbilt
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Does ND beating up on central Michigan really help
Them become a better team or are they just padding stats a la Stony Brook?

Not really a fair comparison. Stony Brook dose a very good job scheduling strong programs for their OOC games.ND has had to lighten their OOC schedule a bit in order to ensure at least a .500 record so they can be considered for an at large bid to the Tournament. In any event, this is not youth lacrosse, as long as the stronger team clears their bench “early “ it’s okay. You have to let the players play, they can’t run around playing keep away. That said, It would be nice to see more assisted goals.

My guess is that if Stony Brook were an ACC team they would have to lighten their out of conference schedule a little as well. The reality is, most ACC and Big 10 teams have to be careful who they play OOC.

Duke's out of conference schedule is awful. So far they outscored Gardner-Webb and Elon by a combined 47-8. Look at the rest of their non-conference and there is only one remotely competitive game with Penn.

Gardner-Webb 22-3
Elon 25-5
William & Mary
High Point
Wofford
East Carolina
Penn
Davidson
Liberty

Hard to compare ACC teams to Stony Brook. ACC schedules are very difficult while Stony Brook plays a very soft schedule each year.

Stony Brook has used this to their advantage and it has obviously benefited them. Stony Brook pads their record every year which gets them ranked exceedingly high but their high ranking has always been based upon hype and not performance. It is what it is and it is not the fault of SBU that their conference is not super competitive but at the end of the day it has help them in the rankings but possibly left them unprepared for the NCAA Tournament.


Actually, it is fairly easy to compare. You are giving Duke a pass simply because they are in the ACC and discounting Stony Brook because they are not. Here is a comparison of of their schedules as it relates to current top 25 teams (obviously those rankings can change). Their top 25 team schedules are very comparable and I would argue that Stony Brook has a more competitive non-top 25 schedule.

DUKE Top 25- Syracuse, UNC, BC, Virginia, Notre Dame and Penn
Duke Other- Virginia Tech, Louisville, Pitt, Gardner-Webb, William & Mary, High Point, Wofford, East Carolina, Davidson, Liberty

Stony Brook Top 25- Syracuse, Northwestern, Florida, Princeton and Johns Hopkins
Stony Brook Other- Dartmouth, Arizona State, Yale, Brown, Hofstra, Albany, Binghamton, Vermont, UMBC, UMASS-Lowell, New Hampshire, Vermont

Duke and to some degree Notre Dame have had to schedule less competitive programs for their non conference games because they need to make sure that they are at least .500 so they can be considered for the NCAA tournament.
Stony Brook tries to schedule tough non conference games against competitive programs however there is no guarantee that the programs will be Top 10 or even top 20 in a given year. The result is that Stony Brook plays nowhere near as competitive a schedule as the majority of programs that are considered to be the strongest programs. It is not close and as the post that you are responding to states the relatively weak schedule benefits Stony Brook. Over the years if Stony Brook played a similar schedule to what Maryland, UNC, Syracuse, Northwestern, Virginia, Boston College, Penn State, Notre Dame, Princeton, Florida and Duke the perception of Stony Brook would be much different than it is because the record would be nowhere as impressive as it has been and they would never be ranked as high as they have been. Stony Brooks actual performance vs high caliber teams has not been very good but their overall record is usually outstanding. They just do not play many games against top tier teams the way other highly regarded programs do. Lets see how they do this year, they have a hand full of strong programs on the schedule but at this point we have no idea how those teams will perform. Syracuse has a new coach and injury issues, Northwestern is without a top T award contender, Florida lost a lot to graduation, Princeton has not played a real game in 2 years, same goes for Dartmouth who is usually pretty good but not up there with the top teams and although Hopkins is competitive program they are usually in that 17 - 25 range not top 10 range. Hofstra may take a little step back this year, Albany is competitive every now and then, Arizona State is up and coming but I do not see any of those teams beating Stony Brook and I don't think the rest of the teams on their schedule have much of a chance. Just my opinion, I think it will come down to how they do against Syracuse, Northwestern, Florida and Princeton (and we do not know how those teams will be). If those teams are Top 10 I think SBU will need to beat two of them if they are not top 10 they might have to beat more than that, it is just the way it works out because of the CAA's punitive actions.

I realize RPI was a little off last year, but average RPI of SBU’s 6 conf opponents and Duke’s first 6 opponents is almost identical. It’s one thing to schedule teams that you should beat because ACC is a tough conference, and then there is what Duke did. Embarrassed for them, esp considering they have so many seniors and 5th years. I have no allegiance to SBU and agree they are sometimes ranked a higher than they should be, but come on with defending Duke’s OOC schedule which is within their control. I hope none of you who love to point out how a small group of top ranked academic/lax programs including Duke get all the top players are not the same ones defending this schedule.
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So hard to watch these miss matched contests. It’s actually disgusting watching some of these teams beating lower level teams down 20-3. Can’t wait till the get their’s. What poor sportsmanship is being displayed. Duke has to be joking beating up on non competitive teams like that. I’ll have my popcorn out when you play BC!

Is it poor sportsmanship when other teams do it? Or just Duke?

It depends on how they manage the game. Duke won 22-3 and 25-5. Duke’s top 2 players scored 22 goals in those two games. That is not a typo. That is a total disgrace. Particularly because it is out of conference and they elected to play these games. Duke has 5 more out of conference games against similar competition and then at least 2 or 3 more in conference. As a better example of how to manage a mis-match, Michigan beat Detroit Mercy 23-2 but 15 different girls scores goals and none had more than 2. That is the right way to do it.
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So hard to watch these miss matched contests. It’s actually disgusting watching some of these teams beating lower level teams down 20-3. Can’t wait till the get their’s. What poor sportsmanship is being displayed. Duke has to be joking beating up on non competitive teams like that. I’ll have my popcorn out when you play BC!

Is it poor sportsmanship when other teams do it? Or just Duke?

Poor sportsmanship for any team. Syracuse mens did it last weekend too. Nobody wants to see that and Puke is notorious for it. Why not just play a competitive schedule. What are they afraid of?
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So hard to watch these miss matched contests. It’s actually disgusting watching some of these teams beating lower level teams down 20-3. Can’t wait till the get their’s. What poor sportsmanship is being displayed. Duke has to be joking beating up on non competitive teams like that. I’ll have my popcorn out when you play BC!

Is it poor sportsmanship when other teams do it? Or just Duke?

Poor sportsmanship for any team. Syracuse mens did it last weekend too. Nobody wants to see that and Puke is notorious for it. Why not just play a competitive schedule. What are they afraid of?

Apparently most teams do it. If the coach pulls the starters early and gets everyone in the game then there is not much more that can be done. Reserve players put in the same amount of work as the Regulars (kids that play in every game) and in most games the Reserves will not see the field. I do not like to see it but you have to let the kids play.
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Does ND beating up on central Michigan really help
Them become a better team or are they just padding stats a la Stony Brook?

Above is the post that took us down the rabbit hole.... The first response was something to the effect that ND and some other ACC teams as well as some Big 10 teams have had to schedule some less competitive teams for their non conference games (because their conference game are so difficult) so they can be sure to have at least a .500 record in order to ensure eligibility and consideration for the NCAA Tournament.

I really have not seen a post "defending" Duke for their in-game actions, what I have seen is people pointing out why they do not schedule more Top 10 or even Top 20 non conference games.

I am not sure of the exact timeline but for several years Duke was consistently a Top 10 program maybe even a Top 5 program with Final Four appearances. I think there were then a few years with very average records and even a losing record so the powers that be had to lighten the load in order to keep the record respectable.

No love or detest for Duke but I see why they (and others) have done it. As far as running up the score goes, I think most of the stronger programs are guilty of it.
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Does ND beating up on central Michigan really help
Them become a better team or are they just padding stats a la Stony Brook?

Above is the post that took us down the rabbit hole.... The first response was something to the effect that ND and some other ACC teams as well as some Big 10 teams have had to schedule some less competitive teams for their non conference games (because their conference game are so difficult) so they can be sure to have at least a .500 record in order to ensure eligibility and consideration for the NCAA Tournament.

I really have not seen a post "defending" Duke for their in-game actions, what I have seen is people pointing out why they do not schedule more Top 10 or even Top 20 non conference games.

I am not sure of the exact timeline but for several years Duke was consistently a Top 10 program maybe even a Top 5 program with Final Four appearances. I think there were then a few years with very average records and even a losing record so the powers that be had to lighten the load in order to keep the record respectable.

No love or detest for Duke but I see why they (and others) have done it. As far as running up the score goes, I think most of the stronger programs are guilty of it.


It depends on how they manage the game. Duke won 22-3 and 25-5. Duke’s top 2 players scored 22 goals in those two games. That is not a typo. That is a total disgrace. Particularly because it is out of conference and they elected to play these games. Duke has 5 more out of conference games against similar competition and then at least 2 or 3 more in conference. As a better example of how to manage a mis-match, Michigan beat Detroit Mercy 23-2 but 15 different girls scored goals and none had more than 2. That is the right way to do it.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does ND beating up on central Michigan really help
Them become a better team or are they just padding stats a la Stony Brook?

Above is the post that took us down the rabbit hole.... The first response was something to the effect that ND and some other ACC teams as well as some Big 10 teams have had to schedule some less competitive teams for their non conference games (because their conference game are so difficult) so they can be sure to have at least a .500 record in order to ensure eligibility and consideration for the NCAA Tournament.

I really have not seen a post "defending" Duke for their in-game actions, what I have seen is people pointing out why they do not schedule more Top 10 or even Top 20 non conference games.

I am not sure of the exact timeline but for several years Duke was consistently a Top 10 program maybe even a Top 5 program with Final Four appearances. I think there were then a few years with very average records and even a losing record so the powers that be had to lighten the load in order to keep the record respectable.

No love or detest for Duke but I see why they (and others) have done it. As far as running up the score goes, I think most of the stronger programs are guilty of it.


It depends on how they manage the game. Duke won 22-3 and 25-5. Duke’s top 2 players scored 22 goals in those two games. That is not a typo. That is a total disgrace. Particularly because it is out of conference and they elected to play these games. Duke has 5 more out of conference games against similar competition and then at least 2 or 3 more in conference. As a better example of how to manage a mis-match, Michigan beat Detroit Mercy 23-2 but 15 different girls scored goals and none had more than 2. That is the right way to do it.

Dukes next 4 games. William & Mary, High Point , Wofford and East Carolina
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does ND beating up on central Michigan really help
Them become a better team or are they just padding stats a la Stony Brook?

Above is the post that took us down the rabbit hole.... The first response was something to the effect that ND and some other ACC teams as well as some Big 10 teams have had to schedule some less competitive teams for their non conference games (because their conference game are so difficult) so they can be sure to have at least a .500 record in order to ensure eligibility and consideration for the NCAA Tournament.

I really have not seen a post "defending" Duke for their in-game actions, what I have seen is people pointing out why they do not schedule more Top 10 or even Top 20 non conference games.

I am not sure of the exact timeline but for several years Duke was consistently a Top 10 program maybe even a Top 5 program with Final Four appearances. I think there were then a few years with very average records and even a losing record so the powers that be had to lighten the load in order to keep the record respectable.

No love or detest for Duke but I see why they (and others) have done it. As far as running up the score goes, I think most of the stronger programs are guilty of it.


It depends on how they manage the game. Duke won 22-3 and 25-5. Duke’s top 2 players scored 22 goals in those two games. That is not a typo. That is a total disgrace. Particularly because it is out of conference and they elected to play these games. Duke has 5 more out of conference games against similar competition and then at least 2 or 3 more in conference. As a better example of how to manage a mis-match, Michigan beat Detroit Mercy 23-2 but 15 different girls scored goals and none had more than 2. That is the right way to do it.

Dukes next 4 games. William & Mary, High Point , Wofford and East Carolina

Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well.
this post is in response to Post # 36620 the system only takes a certain amount of posts per thread i guess.

That's some leap you make... But i will bite

Don't recall seeing anyone defending Dukes non conference schedule. Last years RPI was way off and trying to compare Stony Brooks schedule to pretty much any top program, well it is not comparable Stony Brook just does not play a very competitive schedule year in and year out. That is not by choice, they can only schedule so many non conference games. I don't really see a lot of posts pointing out how the "top ranked academic programs get all of the top players". Not a lot of talk about Columbia, Yale, Harvard, Brown, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Cornell bringing in all of the top lacrosse players. The top lacrosse programs are a different story. The "Top lacrosse programs" absolutely do get the vast majority of the top lacrosse players. That fact is not really debatable, the year in and year out results prove that.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does ND beating up on central Michigan really help
Them become a better team or are they just padding stats a la Stony Brook?

Above is the post that took us down the rabbit hole.... The first response was something to the effect that ND and some other ACC teams as well as some Big 10 teams have had to schedule some less competitive teams for their non conference games (because their conference game are so difficult) so they can be sure to have at least a .500 record in order to ensure eligibility and consideration for the NCAA Tournament.

I really have not seen a post "defending" Duke for their in-game actions, what I have seen is people pointing out why they do not schedule more Top 10 or even Top 20 non conference games.

I am not sure of the exact timeline but for several years Duke was consistently a Top 10 program maybe even a Top 5 program with Final Four appearances. I think there were then a few years with very average records and even a losing record so the powers that be had to lighten the load in order to keep the record respectable.

No love or detest for Duke but I see why they (and others) have done it. As far as running up the score goes, I think most of the stronger programs are guilty of it.


It depends on how they manage the game. Duke won 22-3 and 25-5. Duke’s top 2 players scored 22 goals in those two games. That is not a typo. That is a total disgrace. Particularly because it is out of conference and they elected to play these games. Duke has 5 more out of conference games against similar competition and then at least 2 or 3 more in conference. As a better example of how to manage a mis-match, Michigan beat Detroit Mercy 23-2 but 15 different girls scored goals and none had more than 2. That is the right way to do it.

Dukes next 4 games. William & Mary, High Point , Wofford and East Carolina

Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well.

The other Top teams in the ACC all have much tougher schedules then Duke. BC just played Northwestern, UNC has Florida coming up, Syracuse has Stonybrook and UVA is extremely tough. Duke took the easy way out.
"Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well."

Name the other ACC school that schedules as many completely non competitive non conference games. To say they play one of the toughest schedules is laughable as they are forced to, your schedule is on par with the brand new Pitt team which says a lot about Dukes program and coaches.All of the ACC teams ranked above you play a clearly more difficult schedule and only looked at the next behind you , UVA, and they may play the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. It will not happen but when they come to post season accolades they need to look at the level of competition they are putting up these grossly inflated stats.
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"Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well."

Yes the point is Duke coaches obviously do not think their team is very good and putting up 25 with some mediocre player putting up 7 goals each time is an embarrassment . Name the other ACC school that schedules as many completely non competitive non conference games. To say they play one of the toughest schedules is laughable as they are forced to, your schedule is on par with the brand new Pitt team which says a lot about Dukes program and coaches.All of the ACC teams ranked above you play a clearly more difficult schedule and only looked at the next behind you , UVA, and they may play the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. It will not happen but when they come to post season accolades they need to look at the level of competition they are putting up these grossly inflated stats.

If Dukes SOS is laughable I would love to hear your thoughts on approximately 100 - 110 other DI Programs.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well."

Name the other ACC school that schedules as many completely non competitive non conference games. To say they play one of the toughest schedules is laughable as they are forced to, your schedule is on par with the brand new Pitt team which says a lot about Dukes program and coaches.All of the ACC teams ranked above you play a clearly more difficult schedule and only looked at the next behind you , UVA, and they may play the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. It will not happen but when they come to post season accolades they need to look at the level of competition they are putting up these grossly inflated stats.

If Dukes SOS is laughable I would love to hear your thoughts on approximately 100 - 110 other DI Programs.

Those other D1 programs don’t claim to be Duke. Compare Dukes schedule to the other ACC teams in their division and it is laughable.
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"Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well."

Name the other ACC school that schedules as many completely non competitive non conference games. To say they play one of the toughest schedules is laughable as they are forced to, your schedule is on par with the brand new Pitt team which says a lot about Dukes program and coaches. All of the ACC teams ranked above you play a clearly more difficult schedule and only looked at the next behind you , UVA, and they may play the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. It will not happen but when they come to post season accolades they need to look at the level of competition they are putting up these grossly inflated stats.

If Dukes SOS is laughable I would love to hear your thoughts on approximately 100 - 110 other DI Programs.


Look at the ACC vs. Duke from a non-conference top 25 perspective. Also, the other teams generally have another 1-2 teams on their schedule that might crack the top 25 during the season (except for Pitt, Louisville and Virginia Tech). Duke has no one near that class. Their non-conference is clearly the easiest amongst the top 6 teams in the conference and arguably the worst in the conference.

Syracuse- Stanford, Stonybrook, Northwestern, Florida, Temple, Loyola
UNC- James Madison, Florida, Jacksonville, Northwestern
Viginia- Maryland, Princeton, Stanford, James Madison
Notre Dame- Michigan, Northwestern, Jacksonville
BC- Northwestern, Mass, Denver
Virginia Tech- Jacksonville, James Madison
Louisville- Denver
Duke- Penn
Pitt- Penn State
Puke!
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"Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well."

Name the other ACC school that schedules as many completely non competitive non conference games. To say they play one of the toughest schedules is laughable as they are forced to, your schedule is on par with the brand new Pitt team which says a lot about Dukes program and coaches. All of the ACC teams ranked above you play a clearly more difficult schedule and only looked at the next behind you , UVA, and they may play the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. It will not happen but when they come to post season accolades they need to look at the level of competition they are putting up these grossly inflated stats.

If Dukes SOS is laughable I would love to hear your thoughts on approximately 100 - 110 other DI Programs.


Look at the ACC vs. Duke from a non-conference top 25 perspective. Also, the other teams generally have another 1-2 teams on their schedule that might crack the top 25 during the season (except for Pitt, Louisville and Virginia Tech). Duke has no one near that class. Their non-conference is clearly the easiest amongst the top 6 teams in the conference and arguably the worst in the conference.

Syracuse- Stanford, Stonybrook, Northwestern, Florida, Temple, Loyola
UNC- James Madison, Florida, Jacksonville, Northwestern
Viginia- Maryland, Princeton, Stanford, James Madison
Notre Dame- Michigan, Northwestern, Jacksonville
BC- Northwestern, Mass, Denver
Virginia Tech- Jacksonville, James Madison
Louisville- Denver
Duke- Penn
Pitt- Penn State

You can harp on Non-Conference all you want but over the past several years, 2015 - 2021 (I would have looked at only the past 5 years but 20' & 21' were not normal)
only UNC, Syracuse, Virginia, Maryland and Boston College have played a more competitive schedule than Duke.

That means what? Duke plays a more competitive schedule than 112 DI Teams.

Here are the actual number of game Vs Top 20 teams from 2015 - 2021

92 - North Carolina
70 - Syracuse
67 - Northwestern
66 - Maryland
63 - Virginia
61 - Boston College
53 - Duke

That's reality, Below are the next group...

52 - Penn State
52 - Notre Dame
48 - Princeton
44 - Florida

Below that we have the following

37 - JMU
37 - Loyola
35 - USC
34 - Stony Brook
33 - Penn
29 - Stanford

Get the picture....
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well."

Name the other ACC school that schedules as many completely non competitive non conference games. To say they play one of the toughest schedules is laughable as they are forced to, your schedule is on par with the brand new Pitt team which says a lot about Dukes program and coaches. All of the ACC teams ranked above you play a clearly more difficult schedule and only looked at the next behind you , UVA, and they may play the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. It will not happen but when they come to post season accolades they need to look at the level of competition they are putting up these grossly inflated stats.

If Dukes SOS is laughable I would love to hear your thoughts on approximately 100 - 110 other DI Programs.


Look at the ACC vs. Duke from a non-conference top 25 perspective. Also, the other teams generally have another 1-2 teams on their schedule that might crack the top 25 during the season (except for Pitt, Louisville and Virginia Tech). Duke has no one near that class. Their non-conference is clearly the easiest amongst the top 6 teams in the conference and arguably the worst in the conference.

Syracuse- Stanford, Stonybrook, Northwestern, Florida, Temple, Loyola
UNC- James Madison, Florida, Jacksonville, Northwestern
Viginia- Maryland, Princeton, Stanford, James Madison
Notre Dame- Michigan, Northwestern, Jacksonville
BC- Northwestern, Mass, Denver
Virginia Tech- Jacksonville, James Madison
Louisville- Denver
Duke- Penn
Pitt- Penn State

You can harp on Non-Conference all you want but over the past several years, 2015 - 2021 (I would have looked at only the past 5 years but 20' & 21' were not normal)
only UNC, Syracuse, Virginia, Maryland and Boston College have played a more competitive schedule than Duke.

That means what? Duke plays a more competitive schedule than 112 DI Teams.

Here are the actual number of game Vs Top 20 teams from 2015 - 2021

92 - North Carolina
70 - Syracuse
67 - Northwestern
66 - Maryland
63 - Virginia
61 - Boston College
53 - Duke

That's reality, Below are the next group...

52 - Penn State
52 - Notre Dame
48 - Princeton
44 - Florida

Below that we have the following

37 - JMU
37 - Loyola
35 - USC
34 - Stony Brook
33 - Penn
29 - Stanford

Get the picture....


Not this year and the way they are managing these blowouts is bush league.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well."

Name the other ACC school that schedules as many completely non competitive non conference games. To say they play one of the toughest schedules is laughable as they are forced to, your schedule is on par with the brand new Pitt team which says a lot about Dukes program and coaches. All of the ACC teams ranked above you play a clearly more difficult schedule and only looked at the next behind you , UVA, and they may play the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. It will not happen but when they come to post season accolades they need to look at the level of competition they are putting up these grossly inflated stats.

If Dukes SOS is laughable I would love to hear your thoughts on approximately 100 - 110 other DI Programs.


Look at the ACC vs. Duke from a non-conference top 25 perspective. Also, the other teams generally have another 1-2 teams on their schedule that might crack the top 25 during the season (except for Pitt, Louisville and Virginia Tech). Duke has no one near that class. Their non-conference is clearly the easiest amongst the top 6 teams in the conference and arguably the worst in the conference.

Syracuse- Stanford, Stonybrook, Northwestern, Florida, Temple, Loyola
UNC- James Madison, Florida, Jacksonville, Northwestern
Viginia- Maryland, Princeton, Stanford, James Madison
Notre Dame- Michigan, Northwestern, Jacksonville
BC- Northwestern, Mass, Denver
Virginia Tech- Jacksonville, James Madison
Louisville- Denver
Duke- Penn
Pitt- Penn State

You can harp on Non-Conference all you want but over the past several years, 2015 - 2021 (I would have looked at only the past 5 years but 20' & 21' were not normal)
only UNC, Syracuse, Virginia, Maryland and Boston College have played a more competitive schedule than Duke.

That means what? Duke plays a more competitive schedule than 112 DI Teams.

Here are the actual number of game Vs Top 20 teams from 2015 - 2021

92 - North Carolina
70 - Syracuse
67 - Northwestern
66 - Maryland
63 - Virginia
61 - Boston College
53 - Duke

That's reality, Below are the next group...

52 - Penn State
52 - Notre Dame
48 - Princeton
44 - Florida

Below that we have the following

37 - JMU
37 - Loyola
35 - USC
34 - Stony Brook
33 - Penn
29 - Stanford

Get the picture....


Not this year and the way they are managing these blowouts is bush league.

Oh please, give it a rest already. Even this year with some weak non conference opponents Duke’s schedule will be mor competitive than 100 - 110 teams. I just looked at some other teams schedules over the last few years and most of the top teams have their share of blowouts. No fan of Duke but they play a very challenging schedule compared to most teams. Just look at the earlier post, only 6 programs have played a more competitive schedule in recent years. That is fact not opinion.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well."

Name the other ACC school that schedules as many completely non competitive non conference games. To say they play one of the toughest schedules is laughable as they are forced to, your schedule is on par with the brand new Pitt team which says a lot about Dukes program and coaches.All of the ACC teams ranked above you play a clearly more difficult schedule and only looked at the next behind you , UVA, and they may play the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. It will not happen but when they come to post season accolades they need to look at the level of competition they are putting up these grossly inflated stats.

If Dukes SOS is laughable I would love to hear your thoughts on approximately 100 - 110 other DI Programs.

Those other D1 programs don’t claim to be Duke. Compare Dukes schedule to the other ACC teams in their division and it is laughable.

“Those other D1 programs don’t claim to be Duke.” Maybe because they are not Duke. Why not compare their schedule to All DI Teams?

Like it or not Duke plays one of the toughest schedules in all of Division I women’s lacrosse.

Not sure why that upsets some people.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well."

Name the other ACC school that schedules as many completely non competitive non conference games. To say they play one of the toughest schedules is laughable as they are forced to, your schedule is on par with the brand new Pitt team which says a lot about Dukes program and coaches. All of the ACC teams ranked above you play a clearly more difficult schedule and only looked at the next behind you , UVA, and they may play the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. It will not happen but when they come to post season accolades they need to look at the level of competition they are putting up these grossly inflated stats.

If Dukes SOS is laughable I would love to hear your thoughts on approximately 100 - 110 other DI Programs.


Look at the ACC vs. Duke from a non-conference top 25 perspective. Also, the other teams generally have another 1-2 teams on their schedule that might crack the top 25 during the season (except for Pitt, Louisville and Virginia Tech). Duke has no one near that class. Their non-conference is clearly the easiest amongst the top 6 teams in the conference and arguably the worst in the conference.

Syracuse- Stanford, Stonybrook, Northwestern, Florida, Temple, Loyola
UNC- James Madison, Florida, Jacksonville, Northwestern
Viginia- Maryland, Princeton, Stanford, James Madison
Notre Dame- Michigan, Northwestern, Jacksonville
BC- Northwestern, Mass, Denver
Virginia Tech- Jacksonville, James Madison
Louisville- Denver
Duke- Penn
Pitt- Penn State

You can harp on Non-Conference all you want but over the past several years, 2015 - 2021 (I would have looked at only the past 5 years but 20' & 21' were not normal)
only UNC, Syracuse, Virginia, Maryland and Boston College have played a more competitive schedule than Duke.

That means what? Duke plays a more competitive schedule than 112 DI Teams.

Here are the actual number of game Vs Top 20 teams from 2015 - 2021

92 - North Carolina
70 - Syracuse
67 - Northwestern
66 - Maryland
63 - Virginia
61 - Boston College
53 - Duke

That's reality, Below are the next group...

52 - Penn State
52 - Notre Dame
48 - Princeton
44 - Florida

Below that we have the following

37 - JMU
37 - Loyola
35 - USC
34 - Stony Brook
33 - Penn
29 - Stanford

Get the picture....

What makes Duke’ schedule even more impressive is that the majority of their Top 20 opponents were Regular Season Games, Duke did not make the NCAA Tournament in 17’, 18’, 19’ or 20’ ( no tournament in 2920).

I’m sure many other teams didn’t play Top 20 Teams until the NCAA Tournament therefore their schedules prove to be even weaker when compared to Duke’s.
You Duke people are embarrassing yourselves . First off Duke plays an extremely weak non conference schedule , if they want to be considered a top 20 team then they should act like it with the games they get to pick . They allowed the CN nonsense and then complain when she leaves now have a CN wannabe with no talent who will put up big numbers against these completely overmatched teams and promote her , The strange thing is there is no way that any parent justifies putting up 25 other than the ball hog putting up a career best , gross.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well."

Name the other ACC school that schedules as many completely non competitive non conference games. To say they play one of the toughest schedules is laughable as they are forced to, your schedule is on par with the brand new Pitt team which says a lot about Dukes program and coaches. All of the ACC teams ranked above you play a clearly more difficult schedule and only looked at the next behind you , UVA, and they may play the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. It will not happen but when they come to post season accolades they need to look at the level of competition they are putting up these grossly inflated stats.

If Dukes SOS is laughable I would love to hear your thoughts on approximately 100 - 110 other DI Programs.


Look at the ACC vs. Duke from a non-conference top 25 perspective. Also, the other teams generally have another 1-2 teams on their schedule that might crack the top 25 during the season (except for Pitt, Louisville and Virginia Tech). Duke has no one near that class. Their non-conference is clearly the easiest amongst the top 6 teams in the conference and arguably the worst in the conference.

Syracuse- Stanford, Stonybrook, Northwestern, Florida, Temple, Loyola
UNC- James Madison, Florida, Jacksonville, Northwestern
Viginia- Maryland, Princeton, Stanford, James Madison
Notre Dame- Michigan, Northwestern, Jacksonville
BC- Northwestern, Mass, Denver
Virginia Tech- Jacksonville, James Madison
Louisville- Denver
Duke- Penn
Pitt- Penn State

You can harp on Non-Conference all you want but over the past several years, 2015 - 2021 (I would have looked at only the past 5 years but 20' & 21' were not normal)
only UNC, Syracuse, Virginia, Maryland and Boston College have played a more competitive schedule than Duke.

That means what? Duke plays a more competitive schedule than 112 DI Teams.

Here are the actual number of game Vs Top 20 teams from 2015 - 2021

92 - North Carolina
70 - Syracuse
67 - Northwestern
66 - Maryland
63 - Virginia
61 - Boston College
53 - Duke

That's reality, Below are the next group...

52 - Penn State
52 - Notre D
ame

48 - Princeton
44 - Florida

Below that we have the following

37 - JMU
37 - Loyola
35 - USC
34 - Stony Brook
33 - Penn
29 - Stanford

Get the picture....


**Looking at your rankings/math here….shouldn’t Duke be in your “mid-tier” with 53 points, 1 point more than PS and ND - rather then 8 points below last place BC in the “top-tier”. But I understand your bias. wink
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"Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well."

Name the other ACC school that schedules as many completely non competitive non conference games. To say they play one of the toughest schedules is laughable as they are forced to, your schedule is on par with the brand new Pitt team which says a lot about Dukes program and coaches. All of the ACC teams ranked above you play a clearly more difficult schedule and only looked at the next behind you , UVA, and they may play the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. It will not happen but when they come to post season accolades they need to look at the level of competition they are putting up these grossly inflated stats.

If Dukes SOS is laughable I would love to hear your thoughts on approximately 100 - 110 other DI Programs.


Look at the ACC vs. Duke from a non-conference top 25 perspective. Also, the other teams generally have another 1-2 teams on their schedule that might crack the top 25 during the season (except for Pitt, Louisville and Virginia Tech). Duke has no one near that class. Their non-conference is clearly the easiest amongst the top 6 teams in the conference and arguably the worst in the conference.

Syracuse- Stanford, Stonybrook, Northwestern, Florida, Temple, Loyola
UNC- James Madison, Florida, Jacksonville, Northwestern
Viginia- Maryland, Princeton, Stanford, James Madison
Notre Dame- Michigan, Northwestern, Jacksonville
BC- Northwestern, Mass, Denver
Virginia Tech- Jacksonville, James Madison
Louisville- Denver
Duke- Penn
Pitt- Penn State

You can harp on Non-Conference all you want but over the past several years, 2015 - 2021 (I would have looked at only the past 5 years but 20' & 21' were not normal)
only UNC, Syracuse, Virginia, Maryland and Boston College have played a more competitive schedule than Duke.

That means what? Duke plays a more competitive schedule than 112 DI Teams.

Here are the actual number of game Vs Top 20 teams from 2015 - 2021

92 - North Carolina
70 - Syracuse
67 - Northwestern
66 - Maryland
63 - Virginia
61 - Boston College
53 - Duke

That's reality, Below are the next group...

52 - Penn State
52 - Notre D
ame

48 - Princeton
44 - Florida

Below that we have the following

37 - JMU
37 - Loyola
35 - USC
34 - Stony Brook
33 - Penn
29 - Stanford

Get the picture....


**Looking at your rankings/math here….shouldn’t Duke be in your “mid-tier” with 53 points, 1 point more than PS and ND - rather then 8 points below last place BC in the “top-tier”. But I understand your bias. wink

I don't think it's a ranking, it is just an actual factual account of the competition each team plays. Too many on here base their comments on opinion not actual results or facts.

Duke plays a weak out of conference schedule but overall they play a more difficult schedule than just about every other team.
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You Duke people are embarrassing yourselves . First off Duke plays an extremely weak non conference schedule , if they want to be considered a top 20 team then they should act like it with the games they get to pick . They allowed the CN nonsense and then complain when she leaves now have a CN wannabe with no talent who will put up big numbers against these completely overmatched teams and promote her , The strange thing is there is no way that any parent justifies putting up 25 other than the ball hog putting up a career best , gross.

This is the second cowardly attack on a young women, why such animosity? Never mind, we know the answer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well."

Name the other ACC school that schedules as many completely non competitive non conference games. To say they play one of the toughest schedules is laughable as they are forced to, your schedule is on par with the brand new Pitt team which says a lot about Dukes program and coaches. All of the ACC teams ranked above you play a clearly more difficult schedule and only looked at the next behind you , UVA, and they may play the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. It will not happen but when they come to post season accolades they need to look at the level of competition they are putting up these grossly inflated stats.

If Dukes SOS is laughable I would love to hear your thoughts on approximately 100 - 110 other DI Programs.


Look at the ACC vs. Duke from a non-conference top 25 perspective. Also, the other teams generally have another 1-2 teams on their schedule that might crack the top 25 during the season (except for Pitt, Louisville and Virginia Tech). Duke has no one near that class. Their non-conference is clearly the easiest amongst the top 6 teams in the conference and arguably the worst in the conference.

Syracuse- Stanford, Stonybrook, Northwestern, Florida, Temple, Loyola
UNC- James Madison, Florida, Jacksonville, Northwestern
Viginia- Maryland, Princeton, Stanford, James Madison
Notre Dame- Michigan, Northwestern, Jacksonville
BC- Northwestern, Mass, Denver
Virginia Tech- Jacksonville, James Madison
Louisville- Denver
Duke- Penn
Pitt- Penn State

You can harp on Non-Conference all you want but over the past several years, 2015 - 2021 (I would have looked at only the past 5 years but 20' & 21' were not normal)
only UNC, Syracuse, Virginia, Maryland and Boston College have played a more competitive schedule than Duke.

That means what? Duke plays a more competitive schedule than 112 DI Teams.

Here are the actual number of game Vs Top 20 teams from 2015 - 2021

92 - North Carolina
70 - Syracuse
67 - Northwestern
66 - Maryland
63 - Virginia
61 - Boston College
53 - Duke

That's reality, Below are the next group...

52 - Penn State
52 - Notre Dame
48 - Princeton
44 - Florida

Below that we have the following

37 - JMU
37 - Loyola
35 - USC
34 - Stony Brook
33 - Penn
29 - Stanford

Get the picture....

In order for a team to be considered a top tier team they should have to play top tier teams.... Can't just go out and beat up on weak competition.

Here is how many games the following teams played against Top 5 opponents from 2015 - 2021 (Penn & Princeton 2014 - 2020 since they did not play in 21)

34 - Syracuse
33 - Northwestern
32 - UNC
31 - Virginia
30 - Maryland

29 - Boston College
25 - Notre Dame
23 - Duke
21 - Florida

19 - JMU
15 - Princeton
14 - Penn State
13 - Penn

9 - USC
9 - Stony Brook
8 - Loyola
6 - Stanford

I guess spin, hype and propaganda can not change facts, perception does not equal reality.

I am guessing that Va Tech and Louisville most likely play a more difficult schedule than USC, Stony Brook, Loyola and Stanford.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well."

Name the other ACC school that schedules as many completely non competitive non conference games. To say they play one of the toughest schedules is laughable as they are forced to, your schedule is on par with the brand new Pitt team which says a lot about Dukes program and coaches. All of the ACC teams ranked above you play a clearly more difficult schedule and only looked at the next behind you , UVA, and they may play the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. It will not happen but when they come to post season accolades they need to look at the level of competition they are putting up these grossly inflated stats.

If Dukes SOS is laughable I would love to hear your thoughts on approximately 100 - 110 other DI Programs.


Look at the ACC vs. Duke from a non-conference top 25 perspective. Also, the other teams generally have another 1-2 teams on their schedule that might crack the top 25 during the season (except for Pitt, Louisville and Virginia Tech). Duke has no one near that class. Their non-conference is clearly the easiest amongst the top 6 teams in the conference and arguably the worst in the conference.

Syracuse- Stanford, Stonybrook, Northwestern, Florida, Temple, Loyola
UNC- James Madison, Florida, Jacksonville, Northwestern
Viginia- Maryland, Princeton, Stanford, James Madison
Notre Dame- Michigan, Northwestern, Jacksonville
BC- Northwestern, Mass, Denver
Virginia Tech- Jacksonville, James Madison
Louisville- Denver
Duke- Penn
Pitt- Penn State

You can harp on Non-Conference all you want but over the past several years, 2015 - 2021 (I would have looked at only the past 5 years but 20' & 21' were not normal)
only UNC, Syracuse, Virginia, Maryland and Boston College have played a more competitive schedule than Duke.

That means what? Duke plays a more competitive schedule than 112 DI Teams.

Here are the actual number of game Vs Top 20 teams from 2015 - 2021

92 - North Carolina
70 - Syracuse
67 - Northwestern
66 - Maryland
63 - Virginia
61 - Boston College
53 - Duke

That's reality, Below are the next group...

52 - Penn State
52 - Notre Dame
48 - Princeton
44 - Florida

Below that we have the following

37 - JMU
37 - Loyola
35 - USC
34 - Stony Brook
33 - Penn
29 - Stanford

Get the picture....

In order for a team to be considered a top tier team they should have to play top tier teams.... Can't just go out and beat up on weak competition.

Here is how many games the following teams played against Top 5 opponents from 2015 - 2021 (Penn & Princeton 2014 - 2020 since they did not play in 21)

34 - Syracuse
33 - Northwestern
32 - UNC
31 - Virginia
30 - Maryland

29 - Boston College
25 - Notre Dame
23 - Duke
21 - Florida

19 - JMU
15 - Princeton
14 - Penn State
13 - Penn

9 - USC
9 - Stony Brook
8 - Loyola
6 - Stanford

I guess spin, hype and propaganda can not change facts, perception does not equal reality.

I am guessing that Va Tech and Louisville most likely play a more difficult schedule than USC, Stony Brook, Loyola and Stanford.


Since we are in 2022, look at the facts for this season. Of the 9 teams in the ACC, Duke has the 8th ranked schedule ahead of only Pitt, a first year program.
what are the number if you take out conference games, that are required.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well."

Name the other ACC school that schedules as many completely non competitive non conference games. To say they play one of the toughest schedules is laughable as they are forced to, your schedule is on par with the brand new Pitt team which says a lot about Dukes program and coaches. All of the ACC teams ranked above you play a clearly more difficult schedule and only looked at the next behind you , UVA, and they may play the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. It will not happen but when they come to post season accolades they need to look at the level of competition they are putting up these grossly inflated stats.

If Dukes SOS is laughable I would love to hear your thoughts on approximately 100 - 110 other DI Programs.


Look at the ACC vs. Duke from a non-conference top 25 perspective. Also, the other teams generally have another 1-2 teams on their schedule that might crack the top 25 during the season (except for Pitt, Louisville and Virginia Tech). Duke has no one near that class. Their non-conference is clearly the easiest amongst the top 6 teams in the conference and arguably the worst in the conference.

Syracuse- Stanford, Stonybrook, Northwestern, Florida, Temple, Loyola
UNC- James Madison, Florida, Jacksonville, Northwestern
Viginia- Maryland, Princeton, Stanford, James Madison
Notre Dame- Michigan, Northwestern, Jacksonville
BC- Northwestern, Mass, Denver
Virginia Tech- Jacksonville, James Madison
Louisville- Denver
Duke- Penn
Pitt- Penn State

You can harp on Non-Conference all you want but over the past several years, 2015 - 2021 (I would have looked at only the past 5 years but 20' & 21' were not normal)
only UNC, Syracuse, Virginia, Maryland and Boston College have played a more competitive schedule than Duke.

That means what? Duke plays a more competitive schedule than 112 DI Teams.

Here are the actual number of game Vs Top 20 teams from 2015 - 2021

92 - North Carolina
70 - Syracuse
67 - Northwestern
66 - Maryland
63 - Virginia
61 - Boston College
53 - Duke

That's reality, Below are the next group...

52 - Penn State
52 - Notre Dame
48 - Princeton
44 - Florida

Below that we have the following

37 - JMU
37 - Loyola
35 - USC
34 - Stony Brook
33 - Penn
29 - Stanford

Get the picture....

In order for a team to be considered a top tier team they should have to play top tier teams.... Can't just go out and beat up on weak competition.

Here is how many games the following teams played against Top 5 opponents from 2015 - 2021 (Penn & Princeton 2014 - 2020 since they did not play in 21)

34 - Syracuse
33 - Northwestern
32 - UNC
31 - Virginia
30 - Maryland

29 - Boston College
25 - Notre Dame
23 - Duke
21 - Florida

19 - JMU
15 - Princeton
14 - Penn State
13 - Penn

9 - USC
9 - Stony Brook
8 - Loyola
6 - Stanford

I guess spin, hype and propaganda can not change facts, perception does not equal reality.

I am guessing that Va Tech and Louisville most likely play a more difficult schedule than USC, Stony Brook, Loyola and Stanford.


Since we are in 2022, look at the facts for this season. Of the 9 teams in the ACC, Duke has the 8th ranked schedule ahead of only Pitt, a first year program.

Who cares? Why the obsession with OOC games? A team’s overall schedule is what matters.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are the number if you take out conference games, that are required.

What would be the point of that? All games count, what purpose would taking out conference games serve?

It is what it is, Duke consistently plays a more difficult schedule than all but a handful of teams. Conference, non-conference it doesn't matter, they all count.

Why some on here want to spin it any other way seems very strange to me. What could their agenda possibly be? Personally I could care less who Duke plays but the facts are the facts, they play a very competitive schedule.
Sampling of teams and number of current top 25 teams on their 2022 schedule:

Duke - 6

UF - 8
JMU - 7
Drexel - 6
Arizona - 6
Stony Brook - 5
Denver - 5
Vandy - 5

I didn’t even bother checking Big 10 and ACC because they automatically get ranked opponents through conference and then schedule more OOC.

Yes, some of the ranked opponents might drop out but other opponents might be ranked by end of season. Either way, those bubble teams don’t fall too far out of top 25. I’m not sure Duke has any unranked opponents that have a chance of being ranked by end of season. We’ll see if Penn stays top 25.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are the number if you take out conference games, that are required.

What would be the point of that? All games count, what purpose would taking out conference games serve?

It is what it is, Duke consistently plays a more difficult schedule than all but a handful of teams. Conference, non-conference it doesn't matter, they all count.

Why some on here want to spin it any other way seems very strange to me. What could their agenda possibly be? Personally I could care less who Duke plays but the facts are the facts, they play a very competitive schedule.

Lol, that’s funny. Duke is an average team who will be exposed soon enough. Look at their history. They have never won anything except one conference title almost 20 years ago. They just don’t attract the best girls. Not sure why but I have feeling it’s due to the coaching.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are the number if you take out conference games, that are required.

What would be the point of that? All games count, what purpose would taking out conference games serve?

It is what it is, Duke consistently plays a more difficult schedule than all but a handful of teams. Conference, non-conference it doesn't matter, they all count.

Why some on here want to spin it any other way seems very strange to me. What could their agenda possibly be? Personally I could care less who Duke plays but the facts are the facts, they play a very competitive schedule.


Results matter as well. I took the last 5 seasons (2021, 2019, 2018, 2017 and 2016) from Duke's website (they actually have 1 result incorrect against Virginia Tech in the ACC conference tournament) and the final IWLCA rankings. Well, it is pretty clear why Duke's 2022 schedule is ranked 8th out 9 in the ACC, they are not winning competitive games. I count 51 games against top 25 ranked teams (in some poll years the IWLCA only did 20 so I also counted those receiving votes). Duke is 12-39 against ranked teams. During that 5 year stretch, they have 4 top 10 wins, a #8, 2 #9s and a #10. Those results get you their 2022 out of conference schedule as they cannot afford to lose any additional games outside of conference.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are the number if you take out conference games, that are required.

What would be the point of that? All games count, what purpose would taking out conference games serve?

It is what it is, Duke consistently plays a more difficult schedule than all but a handful of teams. Conference, non-conference it doesn't matter, they all count.

Why some on here want to spin it any other way seems very strange to me. What could their agenda possibly be? Personally I could care less who Duke plays but the facts are the facts, they play a very competitive schedule.

Lol, that’s funny. Duke is an average team who will be exposed soon enough. Look at their history. They have never won anything except one conference title almost 20 years ago. They just don’t attract the best girls. Not sure why but I have feeling it’s due to the coaching.

Actually, what's funny is how the haters like to change the subject and the narrative. Not a single person on here said anything about Duke winning anything. It was a simple discussion about Strength of Schedule. Duke is certainly an above average team who plays an above average schedule. I'm going out on a limb and going to guess that many of the detractors have an academic inferiority complex . Whatever the horse has been beaten to death and the lies exposed. Duke is a very solid program better than at least 100 other programs and they play one of the more competitive schedules each year.

Haters gonna detest...
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are the number if you take out conference games, that are required.

What would be the point of that? All games count, what purpose would taking out conference games serve?

It is what it is, Duke consistently plays a more difficult schedule than all but a handful of teams. Conference, non-conference it doesn't matter, they all count.

Why some on here want to spin it any other way seems very strange to me. What could their agenda possibly be? Personally I could care less who Duke plays but the facts are the facts, they play a very competitive schedule.

Lol, that’s funny. Duke is an average team who will be exposed soon enough. Look at their history. They have never won anything except one conference title almost 20 years ago. They just don’t attract the best girls. Not sure why but I have feeling it’s due to the coaching.


Just compare the men's program to the women's and you get the same answer. All the same advantages from a recruiting perspective with different results when it comes to winning time.
Women- 7 NCAA semi-finals (1 in last 10 years), 0 finals and 0 championships
Men- 12 NCAA semi-finals (5 in the last 10 years), 6 finals (3 in the last 10 years) and 3 championships (2 in the last 10 years)
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are the number if you take out conference games, that are required.

What would be the point of that? All games count, what purpose would taking out conference games serve?

It is what it is, Duke consistently plays a more difficult schedule than all but a handful of teams. Conference, non-conference it doesn't matter, they all count.

Why some on here want to spin it any other way seems very strange to me. What could their agenda possibly be? Personally I could care less who Duke plays but the facts are the facts, they play a very competitive schedule.


Results matter as well. I took the last 5 seasons (2021, 2019, 2018, 2017 and 2016) from Duke's website (they actually have 1 result incorrect against Virginia Tech in the ACC conference tournament) and the final IWLCA rankings. Well, it is pretty clear why Duke's 2022 schedule is ranked 8th out 9 in the ACC, they are not winning competitive games. I count 51 games against top 25 ranked teams (in some poll years the IWLCA only did 20 so I also counted those receiving votes). Duke is 12-39 against ranked teams. During that 5 year stretch, they have 4 top 10 wins, a #8, 2 #9s and a #10. Those results get you their 2022 out of conference schedule as they cannot afford to lose any additional games outside of conference.

No kidding, that was the point from the beginning...
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are the number if you take out conference games, that are required.

What would be the point of that? All games count, what purpose would taking out conference games serve?

It is what it is, Duke consistently plays a more difficult schedule than all but a handful of teams. Conference, non-conference it doesn't matter, they all count.

Why some on here want to spin it any other way seems very strange to me. What could their agenda possibly be? Personally I could care less who Duke plays but the facts are the facts, they play a very competitive schedule.

Lol, that’s funny. Duke is an average team who will be exposed soon enough. Look at their history. They have never won anything except one conference title almost 20 years ago. They just don’t attract the best girls. Not sure why but I have feeling it’s due to the coaching.


Just compare the men's program to the women's and you get the same answer. All the same advantages from a recruiting perspective with different results when it comes to winning time.
Women- 7 NCAA semi-finals (1 in last 10 years), 0 finals and 0 championships
Men- 12 NCAA semi-finals (5 in the last 10 years), 6 finals (3 in the last 10 years) and 3 championships (2 in the last 10 years)

This is really getting comical. Keep moving the goalpost and the narrative. Now we are comparing Duke Men's and Women's Teams? I just do not get the obsession with trying to diminish Duke.

The Facts are the Facts.

Duke plays a more competitive schedule every year than all but a small number of teams.

Duke, by all accounts is a stronger program than at least 100 other programs.

Duke has accomplished more than probably all but maybe 10 - 15 programs.

Sorry, I just do not understand the detest or the attempts to knock Duke or spread misinformation.

I truly believe it a jealousy or inferiority thing. Either way it's all a bit nutty to me.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are the number if you take out conference games, that are required.

What would be the point of that? All games count, what purpose would taking out conference games serve?

It is what it is, Duke consistently plays a more difficult schedule than all but a handful of teams. Conference, non-conference it doesn't matter, they all count.

Why some on here want to spin it any other way seems very strange to me. What could their agenda possibly be? Personally I could care less who Duke plays but the facts are the facts, they play a very competitive schedule.

Lol, that’s funny. Duke is an average team who will be exposed soon enough. Look at their history. They have never won anything except one conference title almost 20 years ago. They just don’t attract the best girls. Not sure why but I have feeling it’s due to the coaching.


Just compare the men's program to the women's and you get the same answer. All the same advantages from a recruiting perspective with different results when it comes to winning time.
Women- 7 NCAA semi-finals (1 in last 10 years), 0 finals and 0 championships
Men- 12 NCAA semi-finals (5 in the last 10 years), 6 finals (3 in the last 10 years) and 3 championships (2 in the last 10 years)

This is really getting comical. Keep moving the goalpost and the narrative. Now we are comparing Duke Men's and Women's Teams? I just do not get the obsession with trying to diminish Duke.

The Facts are the Facts.

Duke plays a more competitive schedule every year than all but a small number of teams.

Duke, by all accounts is a stronger program than at least 100 other programs.

Duke has accomplished more than probably all but maybe 10 - 15 programs.

Sorry, I just do not understand the detest or the attempts to knock Duke or spread misinformation.

I truly believe it a jealousy or inferiority thing. Either way it's all a bit nutty to me.


I think the whole thing started with people being disgusted with Duke’s unsportsmanlike behavior. Makes people want to root against them. I for one look forward to seeking them getting a taste of their own medicine.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are the number if you take out conference games, that are required.

What would be the point of that? All games count, what purpose would taking out conference games serve?

It is what it is, Duke consistently plays a more difficult schedule than all but a handful of teams. Conference, non-conference it doesn't matter, they all count.

Why some on here want to spin it any other way seems very strange to me. What could their agenda possibly be? Personally I could care less who Duke plays but the facts are the facts, they play a very competitive schedule.


Results matter as well. I took the last 5 seasons (2021, 2019, 2018, 2017 and 2016) from Duke's website (they actually have 1 result incorrect against Virginia Tech in the ACC conference tournament) and the final IWLCA rankings. Well, it is pretty clear why Duke's 2022 schedule is ranked 8th out 9 in the ACC, they are not winning competitive games. I count 51 games against top 25 ranked teams (in some poll years the IWLCA only did 20 so I also counted those receiving votes). Duke is 12-39 against ranked teams. During that 5 year stretch, they have 4 top 10 wins, a #8, 2 #9s and a #10. Those results get you their 2022 out of conference schedule as they cannot afford to lose any additional games outside of conference.

Apparently, results do not matter. Just compare the results of Duke and Stony Brook during the years that you looked at (2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021).

Vs Top 20

12 - 36 Duke
16 - 12 Stony Brook

Vs Top 10

7 - 24 Duke
3 - 11 Stony Brook

Vs Top 5

1 - 19 Duke
0 - 8 Stony Brook

Can someone please explain how Stony Brook gets ranked in the top 10 most years while Duke struggles to get ranked in the Top 20? Sorry, I just do not get it. Stony Brook does not play a very difficult schedule and they rarely beat Top 10 Teams. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I guess now we all know why Duke is scheduling less competitive non-conference games. Beat up on those teams and maybe they will be rewarded.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are the number if you take out conference games, that are required.

What would be the point of that? All games count, what purpose would taking out conference games serve?

It is what it is, Duke consistently plays a more difficult schedule than all but a handful of teams. Conference, non-conference it doesn't matter, they all count.

Why some on here want to spin it any other way seems very strange to me. What could their agenda possibly be? Personally I could care less who Duke plays but the facts are the facts, they play a very competitive schedule.

Lol, that’s funny. Duke is an average team who will be exposed soon enough. Look at their history. They have never won anything except one conference title almost 20 years ago. They just don’t attract the best girls. Not sure why but I have feeling it’s due to the coaching.


Just compare the men's program to the women's and you get the same answer. All the same advantages from a recruiting perspective with different results when it comes to winning time.
Women- 7 NCAA semi-finals (1 in last 10 years), 0 finals and 0 championships
Men- 12 NCAA semi-finals (5 in the last 10 years), 6 finals (3 in the last 10 years) and 3 championships (2 in the last 10 years)

This is really getting comical. Keep moving the goalpost and the narrative. Now we are comparing Duke Men's and Women's Teams? I just do not get the obsession with trying to diminish Duke.

The Facts are the Facts.

Duke plays a more competitive schedule every year than all but a small number of teams.

Duke, by all accounts is a stronger program than at least 100 other programs.

Duke has accomplished more than probably all but maybe 10 - 15 programs.

Sorry, I just do not understand the detest or the attempts to knock Duke or spread misinformation.

I truly believe it a jealousy or inferiority thing. Either way it's all a bit nutty to me.


Comparing Duke to the entire universe of D1 lacrosse is silly. That being said, here are their final rankings over the last 5 seasons. Ranked in the top 10-1, top 25-2, unranked- 2. For the unranked, they were less than the 25th ranked team. During that same time, they are 12-39 against teams ranked in the top 25 with only 4 top 10 wins. Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!! No matter how you do the math, they are not a top 10-15 team the last 5 seasons.

IWLCA FINAL RANK
2021- #8
2019- #21
2018- unranked
2017- unranked
2016- #11

TOP 25 WIN/LOSS RECORD & TOP 10 WINS
2021- 3-7 (1 vs. #8)
2019- 2-8 (1 vs. #9)
2018- 2-9 (1 vs. #8)
2017- 0-8 (0 wins)
2016- 5-7 (1 vs. #10)
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are the number if you take out conference games, that are required.

What would be the point of that? All games count, what purpose would taking out conference games serve?

It is what it is, Duke consistently plays a more difficult schedule than all but a handful of teams. Conference, non-conference it doesn't matter, they all count.

Why some on here want to spin it any other way seems very strange to me. What could their agenda possibly be? Personally I could care less who Duke plays but the facts are the facts, they play a very competitive schedule.

Lol, that’s funny. Duke is an average team who will be exposed soon enough. Look at their history. They have never won anything except one conference title almost 20 years ago. They just don’t attract the best girls. Not sure why but I have feeling it’s due to the coaching.


Just compare the men's program to the women's and you get the same answer. All the same advantages from a recruiting perspective with different results when it comes to winning time.
Women- 7 NCAA semi-finals (1 in last 10 years), 0 finals and 0 championships
Men- 12 NCAA semi-finals (5 in the last 10 years), 6 finals (3 in the last 10 years) and 3 championships (2 in the last 10 years)

This is really getting comical. Keep moving the goalpost and the narrative. Now we are comparing Duke Men's and Women's Teams? I just do not get the obsession with trying to diminish Duke.

The Facts are the Facts.

Duke plays a more competitive schedule every year than all but a small number of teams.

Duke, by all accounts is a stronger program than at least 100 other programs.

Duke has accomplished more than probably all but maybe 10 - 15 programs.

Sorry, I just do not understand the detest or the attempts to knock Duke or spread misinformation.

I truly believe it a jealousy or inferiority thing. Either way it's all a bit nutty to me.


I think the whole thing started with people being disgusted with Duke’s unsportsmanlike behavior. Makes people want to root against them. I for one look forward to seeking them getting a taste of their own medicine.


Exactly correct. They played Gardner-Webb and Elon. Won 22-3 and 25-5. Their top two players scored 22 goals.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well."

Name the other ACC school that schedules as many completely non competitive non conference games. To say they play one of the toughest schedules is laughable as they are forced to, your schedule is on par with the brand new Pitt team which says a lot about Dukes program and coaches.All of the ACC teams ranked above you play a clearly more difficult schedule and only looked at the next behind you , UVA, and they may play the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. It will not happen but when they come to post season accolades they need to look at the level of competition they are putting up these grossly inflated stats.

If Dukes SOS is laughable I would love to hear your thoughts on approximately 100 - 110 other DI Programs.

Those other D1 programs don’t claim to be Duke. Compare Dukes schedule to the other ACC teams in their division and it is laughable.

“Those other D1 programs don’t claim to be Duke.” Maybe because they are not Duke. Why not compare their schedule to All DI Teams?

Like it or not Duke plays one of the toughest schedules in all of Division I women’s lacrosse.

Not sure why that upsets some people.


Not by Choice
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are the number if you take out conference games, that are required.

What would be the point of that? All games count, what purpose would taking out conference games serve?

It is what it is, Duke consistently plays a more difficult schedule than all but a handful of teams. Conference, non-conference it doesn't matter, they all count.

Why some on here want to spin it any other way seems very strange to me. What could their agenda possibly be? Personally I could care less who Duke plays but the facts are the facts, they play a very competitive schedule.


Results matter as well. I took the last 5 seasons (2021, 2019, 2018, 2017 and 2016) from Duke's website (they actually have 1 result incorrect against Virginia Tech in the ACC conference tournament) and the final IWLCA rankings. Well, it is pretty clear why Duke's 2022 schedule is ranked 8th out 9 in the ACC, they are not winning competitive games. I count 51 games against top 25 ranked teams (in some poll years the IWLCA only did 20 so I also counted those receiving votes). Duke is 12-39 against ranked teams. During that 5 year stretch, they have 4 top 10 wins, a #8, 2 #9s and a #10. Those results get you their 2022 out of conference schedule as they cannot afford to lose any additional games outside of conference.

Apparently, results do not matter. Just compare the results of Duke and Stony Brook during the years that you looked at (2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021).

Vs Top 20

12 - 36 Duke
16 - 12 Stony Brook

Vs Top 10

7 - 24 Duke
3 - 11 Stony Brook

Vs Top 5

1 - 19 Duke
0 - 8 Stony Brook

Can someone please explain how Stony Brook gets ranked in the top 10 most years while Duke struggles to get ranked in the Top 20? Sorry, I just do not get it. Stony Brook does not play a very difficult schedule and they rarely beat Top 10 Teams. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I guess now we all know why Duke is scheduling less competitive non-conference games. Beat up on those teams and maybe they will be rewarded.


Duke beat Gardner-Webb and Elon and jumped 8 spots higher in the IWLCA rankings...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well."

Name the other ACC school that schedules as many completely non competitive non conference games. To say they play one of the toughest schedules is laughable as they are forced to, your schedule is on par with the brand new Pitt team which says a lot about Dukes program and coaches.All of the ACC teams ranked above you play a clearly more difficult schedule and only looked at the next behind you , UVA, and they may play the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. It will not happen but when they come to post season accolades they need to look at the level of competition they are putting up these grossly inflated stats.



Although I agree with the embarrasment of running up the score like they do. There is no justification to bashing any young women on here, especially when that " no name" "mediocre" " non talented" young women was the #5 recruit in her graduating class according to IL
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are the number if you take out conference games, that are required.

What would be the point of that? All games count, what purpose would taking out conference games serve?

It is what it is, Duke consistently plays a more difficult schedule than all but a handful of teams. Conference, non-conference it doesn't matter, they all count.

Why some on here want to spin it any other way seems very strange to me. What could their agenda possibly be? Personally I could care less who Duke plays but the facts are the facts, they play a very competitive schedule.

Lol, that’s funny. Duke is an average team who will be exposed soon enough. Look at their history. They have never won anything except one conference title almost 20 years ago. They just don’t attract the best girls. Not sure why but I have feeling it’s due to the coaching.


Just compare the men's program to the women's and you get the same answer. All the same advantages from a recruiting perspective with different results when it comes to winning time.
Women- 7 NCAA semi-finals (1 in last 10 years), 0 finals and 0 championships
Men- 12 NCAA semi-finals (5 in the last 10 years), 6 finals (3 in the last 10 years) and 3 championships (2 in the last 10 years)

This is really getting comical. Keep moving the goalpost and the narrative. Now we are comparing Duke Men's and Women's Teams? I just do not get the obsession with trying to diminish Duke.

The Facts are the Facts.

Duke plays a more competitive schedule every year than all but a small number of teams.

Duke, by all accounts is a stronger program than at least 100 other programs.

Duke has accomplished more than probably all but maybe 10 - 15 programs.

Sorry, I just do not understand the detest or the attempts to knock Duke or spread misinformation.

I truly believe it a jealousy or inferiority thing. Either way it's all a bit nutty to me.


Comparing Duke to the entire universe of D1 lacrosse is silly. That being said, here are their final rankings over the last 5 seasons. Ranked in the top 10-1, top 25-2, unranked- 2. For the unranked, they were less than the 25th ranked team. During that same time, they are 12-39 against teams ranked in the top 25 with only 4 top 10 wins. Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!! No matter how you do the math, they are not a top 10-15 team the last 5 seasons.

IWLCA FINAL RANK
2021- #8
2019- #21
2018- unranked
2017- unranked
2016- #11

TOP 25 WIN/LOSS RECORD & TOP 10 WINS
2021- 3-7 (1 vs. #8)
2019- 2-8 (1 vs. #9)
2018- 2-9 (1 vs. #8)
2017- 0-8 (0 wins)
2016- 5-7 (1 vs. #10)

Here we go again, just like a previous post stated.... Move the goal post and change the narrative. I will take the numbers as being accurate but if you say Duke is not a Top 10 - 15 team, How in the world does a teams like Stony Brook get ranked in the Top 10 even The Top 5? Makes no sense.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Is there a point to your post? It has been established as to why Duke schedules less competitive programs for their non conference games. Not sure why people are harping on Duke when there are a lot of programs that have several games against teams that they will easily beat. Regardless of who they play out of conference, I'm pretty sure that if you look back over the past 5 - 10 years Duke plays one of the toughest schedule of any team. I would bet that very few programs have played more games against Top 10 and Top 20 Teams than Duke has. They have probably played more game Vs Top 5 teams than just about everyone as well."

Name the other ACC school that schedules as many completely non competitive non conference games. To say they play one of the toughest schedules is laughable as they are forced to, your schedule is on par with the brand new Pitt team which says a lot about Dukes program and coaches.All of the ACC teams ranked above you play a clearly more difficult schedule and only looked at the next behind you , UVA, and they may play the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. It will not happen but when they come to post season accolades they need to look at the level of competition they are putting up these grossly inflated stats.



Although I agree with the embarrasment of running up the score like they do. There is no justification to bashing any young women on here, especially when that " no name" "mediocre" " non talented" young women was the #5 recruit in her graduating class according to IL

100% agree. I'm willing to bet whoever posted it is still mad that the player received more lacrosse accolades and went to a far better University.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are the number if you take out conference games, that are required.

What would be the point of that? All games count, what purpose would taking out conference games serve?

It is what it is, Duke consistently plays a more difficult schedule than all but a handful of teams. Conference, non-conference it doesn't matter, they all count.

Why some on here want to spin it any other way seems very strange to me. What could their agenda possibly be? Personally I could care less who Duke plays but the facts are the facts, they play a very competitive schedule.

Lol, that’s funny. Duke is an average team who will be exposed soon enough. Look at their history. They have never won anything except one conference title almost 20 years ago. They just don’t attract the best girls. Not sure why but I have feeling it’s due to the coaching.


Just compare the men's program to the women's and you get the same answer. All the same advantages from a recruiting perspective with different results when it comes to winning time.
Women- 7 NCAA semi-finals (1 in last 10 years), 0 finals and 0 championships
Men- 12 NCAA semi-finals (5 in the last 10 years), 6 finals (3 in the last 10 years) and 3 championships (2 in the last 10 years)

This is really getting comical. Keep moving the goalpost and the narrative. Now we are comparing Duke Men's and Women's Teams? I just do not get the obsession with trying to diminish Duke.

The Facts are the Facts.

Duke plays a more competitive schedule every year than all but a small number of teams.

Duke, by all accounts is a stronger program than at least 100 other programs.

Duke has accomplished more than probably all but maybe 10 - 15 programs.

Sorry, I just do not understand the detest or the attempts to knock Duke or spread misinformation.

I truly believe it a jealousy or inferiority thing. Either way it's all a bit nutty to me.


Comparing Duke to the entire universe of D1 lacrosse is silly. That being said, here are their final rankings over the last 5 seasons. Ranked in the top 10-1, top 25-2, unranked- 2. For the unranked, they were less than the 25th ranked team. During that same time, they are 12-39 against teams ranked in the top 25 with only 4 top 10 wins. Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!! No matter how you do the math, they are not a top 10-15 team the last 5 seasons.

IWLCA FINAL RANK
2021- #8
2019- #21
2018- unranked
2017- unranked
2016- #11

TOP 25 WIN/LOSS RECORD & TOP 10 WINS
2021- 3-7 (1 vs. #8)
2019- 2-8 (1 vs. #9)
2018- 2-9 (1 vs. #8)
2017- 0-8 (0 wins)
2016- 5-7 (1 vs. #10)


Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality.
"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tornament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tornament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


No. Agree that the Duke OOC schedule is not appropriate. But stop crapping on SBU and lets see what you have to say about the Maryland OOC this year. Talk about ducking the competition.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tornament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


No. Agree that the Duke OOC schedule is not appropriate. But stop crapping on SBU and lets see what you have to say about the Maryland OOC this year. Talk about ducking the competition.

Is this a joke ?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tornament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


No. Agree that the Duke OOC schedule is not appropriate. But stop crapping on SBU and lets see what you have to say about the Maryland OOC this year. Talk about ducking the competition.

No problem with their non conference schedule, they can play who they want. By they way, it was pointed out why they do it very early on and nobody is defending it, it is what it is.

BC just ran up the score 22 - 5 with CN putting up 7, i wonder if we will hear the same BS?

Not a single person on here has not admitted exactly why Duke schedules weak out of conference games.

So, If UVA, Princeton and ND along with the other teams mentioned above are all stronger programs than Duke, which of the other 100 programs are stronger?

Which of the other 100 programs play a tougher schedule?

Who is crapping on Stony Brook? They play a weak schedule every year, they do not do well when they do play strong teams, they have under performed in the NCAA Tournament based on expectations every year. Their record vs Top 10 teams is not good. Those are just facts. sorry if you do not like the truth.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tornament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


No. Agree that the Duke OOC schedule is not appropriate. But stop crapping on SBU and lets see what you have to say about the Maryland OOC this year. Talk about ducking the competition.

Is this a joke ?

Duke has 1 (Penn) top 25 out of conference opponent, Maryland has 5 (Virginia, Florida, Penn, Princeton, James Madison)
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tornament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


No. Agree that the Duke OOC schedule is not appropriate. But stop crapping on SBU and lets see what you have to say about the Maryland OOC this year. Talk about ducking the competition.

Is this a joke ?

Duke has 1 (Penn) top 25 out of conference opponent, Maryland has 5 (Virginia, Florida, Penn, Princeton, James Madison)

Strange obsession with this non conference nonsense. Overall SOS is really all that matters.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tornament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


No. Agree that the Duke OOC schedule is not appropriate. But stop crapping on SBU and lets see what you have to say about the Maryland OOC this year. Talk about ducking the competition.

Really digging deep now.
MOVING ON from this super annoying debate between like 3 people...UConn barely squeaked out a win against Fairfield. Is UConn ranked too high?
Current rankings mean very little, the only rankings that have some meaning (even though the selection committee says they are not part of the selection criteria) are the rankings / RPI / SOS / Quality Wins at the end of the regular season. ACC,B1G, Ivy, Patriot, CAA and PAC conferences that many years have multiple at large bids now have two additional teams to compete with in JMU and SBU for the Bid. JMU and Stony Brook also now have a much more difficult path to the Tournament, should be interesting.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are the number if you take out conference games, that are required.

What would be the point of that? All games count, what purpose would taking out conference games serve?

It is what it is, Duke consistently plays a more difficult schedule than all but a handful of teams. Conference, non-conference it doesn't matter, they all count.

Why some on here want to spin it any other way seems very strange to me. What could their agenda possibly be? Personally I could care less who Duke plays but the facts are the facts, they play a very competitive schedule.


Results matter as well. I took the last 5 seasons (2021, 2019, 2018, 2017 and 2016) from Duke's website (they actually have 1 result incorrect against Virginia Tech in the ACC conference tournament) and the final IWLCA rankings. Well, it is pretty clear why Duke's 2022 schedule is ranked 8th out 9 in the ACC, they are not winning competitive games. I count 51 games against top 25 ranked teams (in some poll years the IWLCA only did 20 so I also counted those receiving votes). Duke is 12-39 against ranked teams. During that 5 year stretch, they have 4 top 10 wins, a #8, 2 #9s and a #10. Those results get you their 2022 out of conference schedule as they cannot afford to lose any additional games outside of conference.

Apparently, results do not matter. Just compare the results of Duke and Stony Brook during the years that you looked at (2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021).

Vs Top 20

12 - 36 Duke
16 - 12 Stony Brook

Vs Top 10

7 - 24 Duke
3 - 11 Stony Brook

Vs Top 5

1 - 19 Duke
0 - 8 Stony Brook

Can someone please explain how Stony Brook gets ranked in the top 10 most years while Duke struggles to get ranked in the Top 20? Sorry, I just do not get it. Stony Brook does not play a very difficult schedule and they rarely beat Top 10 Teams. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I guess now we all know why Duke is scheduling less competitive non-conference games. Beat up on those teams and maybe they will be rewarded.


Duke beat Gardner-Webb and Elon and jumped 8 spots higher in the IWLCA rankings...

Lol, that just about sums it!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8.

Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina.

1. UNC 3.2
2. Maryland 3.4
3. BC 5.2
4. Stony Brook 6.8
5. Syracuse 7.8
6. Florida 8.2
7. Northwestern 8.2
8. Princeton 10.0
9. PENN 12.0
10. Virginia 12.4
11. James Madison 13.0
12. Notre Dame 13.0
13. Penn St. 16.8
14. Loyola 17.2
15. USC 17.8
16. Navy 19.8
17. Stanford 20.0
18. Denver 21.6
19. Duke 22.0
20. Johns Hopkins 22.2
21. Colorado 22.2
22. MASS 23.8
23. Louisville 26.0
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8.

Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina.

1. UNC 3.2
2. Maryland 3.4
3. BC 5.2
4. Stony Brook 6.8
5. Syracuse 7.8
6. Florida 8.2
7. Northwestern 8.2
8. Princeton 10.0
9. PENN 12.0
10. Virginia 12.4
11. James Madison 13.0
12. Notre Dame 13.0
13. Penn St. 16.8
14. Loyola 17.2
15. USC 17.8
16. Navy 19.8
17. Stanford 20.0
18. Denver 21.6
19. Duke 22.0
20. Johns Hopkins 22.2
21. Colorado 22.2
22. MASS 23.8
23. Louisville 26.0

Thanks for the leg work.

Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MOVING ON from this super annoying debate between like 3 people...UConn barely squeaked out a win against Fairfield. Is UConn ranked too high?

Many UConn was practicing good sportsmanship. Nah, that’s can’t be it the only team that is unsportsmanlike is Duke. Nobody else would ever run the score up.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8.

Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina.

1. UNC 3.2
2. Maryland 3.4
3. BC 5.2
4. Stony Brook 6.8
5. Syracuse 7.8
6. Florida 8.2
7. Northwestern 8.2
8. Princeton 10.0
9. PENN 12.0
10. Virginia 12.4
11. James Madison 13.0
12. Notre Dame 13.0
13. Penn St. 16.8
14. Loyola 17.2
15. USC 17.8
16. Navy 19.8
17. Stanford 20.0
18. Denver 21.6
19. Duke 22.0
20. Johns Hopkins 22.2
21. Colorado 22.2
22. MASS 23.8
23. Louisville 26.0

I just do not understand the focus on Duke. Has there been a single post where someone has said that Duke should have been ranked higher or that they should have made the tournament in the years where they did not? I have seen several posts over the past year or two or even three that have listed the 10 "best" programs and I am pretty sure that they are the exact same programs that your analysis has identified. I agreed and believed that those 10 programs were the 10 best programs based on their "Final Ranking" over the years. However, this discussion has shed some light on results as apposed to just rankings. Based on performance and results Stony Brook has been highly over ranked. Their SOS does not compare with any of the Top 10 with the exception of possibly Penn and their results in no way justify a top 10 ranking. It appears that the focus on knocking Duke has exposed Stony Brook. Duke seems to be punished for a lackluster record while playing a very difficult schedule while Stony Brook seems to be rewarded for playing a week schedule and padding their record. I am a firm believer that teams should be rewarded for playing a difficult schedule (SOS matters) but at the same time you actually have to win some games against the best teams if you want to be considered a top team. Neither Duke or Stony Brook have done that but their treatment in the polls / rankings has been very different. Based on their SOS every year Duke could probably have been ranked a little higher but Stony Brook should be no where near # 4. USC, Loyola, Penn and Stanford also appear to benefit from a soft schedule but by far Stony Brook has been the most overrated.

A question was asked earlier asking to explain why Stony Brook is always ranked so high, I haven't seen an answer but the reason can not be based on their performance or results.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tornament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


No. Agree that the Duke OOC schedule is not appropriate. But stop crapping on SBU and lets see what you have to say about the Maryland OOC this year. Talk about ducking the competition.

Is this a joke ?

Duke has 1 (Penn) top 25 out of conference opponent, Maryland has 5 (Virginia, Florida, Penn, Princeton, James Madison)

Strange obsession with this non conference nonsense. Overall SOS is really all that matters.

Not really it says a lot about what a coach thinks of their team , the better teams and coaches want to challenge themselves the lesser teams have coaches that know they can’t compete .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8.

Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina.

1. UNC 3.2
2. Maryland 3.4
3. BC 5.2
4. Stony Brook 6.8
5. Syracuse 7.8
6. Florida 8.2
7. Northwestern 8.2
8. Princeton 10.0
9. PENN 12.0
10. Virginia 12.4
11. James Madison 13.0
12. Notre Dame 13.0
13. Penn St. 16.8
14. Loyola 17.2
15. USC 17.8
16. Navy 19.8
17. Stanford 20.0
18. Denver 21.6
19. Duke 22.0
20. Johns Hopkins 22.2
21. Colorado 22.2
22. MASS 23.8
23. Louisville 26.0

Don’t think Penn State will continue to be in the mix. Their # 13 is because of the earlier time in your data. They have been down since 2019 and they do not look very good at this time. Not picking on PSU but didn’t they go to back to back Final Fours just a short time ago? Denver seems to get over looked. Louisville looked like they were going to make some noise and then they just fizzled out. Syracuse challenges themselves with a very difficult schedule and GG is considered a very good coach but was not able to win. Stony Brook gets a lot of hype, they are always raked high and their coach is considered excellent yet like Syracuse they can’t get it done. Florida and ND similar to Stony Brook and Syracuse but it is the Florida and ND coaches that are blamed for their shortcomings. JMU is still the shining light, they are always competitive, they play a relatively difficult schedule, they won a National Championship with few to no highly touted recruits and most of you do not know the coaches name. Virginia and Princeton are very steady, both play competitive schedules (more so for Virginia/ ACC) and garner some quality wins but haven’t been able to get back to the Final Four or win another National Championship. Would love to see Navy back in the Final Four! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Hopkins is Hopkins, very steady always around # 20, solid program, excellent academics… Just not the same college experience as the other Big 10 schools. UNC, MD and BC have been in a class by themselves and on another level but MD could be taking a little step back the way Northwestern did after their dominant run. Penn, USC, Loyola and Stanford are all solid but tend to lack depth and that makes it tough to go from Top 20 to Top 10. UMass has flown under the radar, they have had some very good season but have not received the attention that they earned. Colorado??? Very surprised they have not done better, that’s not a knock, they are on that list. IMHO Colorado has a lot to offer, I personally love the place.

Welcome to Insomnia …
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tornament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


No. Agree that the Duke OOC schedule is not appropriate. But stop crapping on SBU and lets see what you have to say about the Maryland OOC this year. Talk about ducking the competition.

Is this a joke ?

Duke has 1 (Penn) top 25 out of conference opponent, Maryland has 5 (Virginia, Florida, Penn, Princeton, James Madison)

Strange obsession with this non conference nonsense. Overall SOS is really all that matters.

Not really it says a lot about what a coach thinks of their team , the better teams and coaches want to challenge themselves the lesser teams have coaches that know they can’t compete .

Yes really, it’s not rational to be so concerned with a teams non conference schedule. Not normal. What drives the obsession?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8.

Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina.

1. UNC 3.2
2. Maryland 3.4
3. BC 5.2
4. Stony Brook 6.8
5. Syracuse 7.8
6. Florida 8.2
7. Northwestern 8.2
8. Princeton 10.0
9. PENN 12.0
10. Virginia 12.4
11. James Madison 13.0
12. Notre Dame 13.0
13. Penn St. 16.8
14. Loyola 17.2
15. USC 17.8
16. Navy 19.8
17. Stanford 20.0
18. Denver 21.6
19. Duke 22.0
20. Johns Hopkins 22.2
21. Colorado 22.2
22. MASS 23.8
23. Louisville 26.0

Thanks for the leg work.

Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year.

I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played more top 25 teams at 42 than Duke at 39. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range.
As of right now, Richmond, Drexel, Michigan, Hopkins are better than Duke
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MOVING ON from this super annoying debate between like 3 people...UConn barely squeaked out a win against Fairfield. Is UConn ranked too high?

Many UConn was practicing good sportsmanship. Nah, that’s can’t be it the only team that is unsportsmanlike is Duke. Nobody else would ever run the score up.

BC displayed excellent sportsmanship yesterday against UMass. Up 22-5 with 10 seconds left in the game a player from BC picks up a ground ball, sprints down field and takes a shot that was saved by the goalie to end the game. That's sportsmanship!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8.

Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina.

1. UNC 3.2
2. Maryland 3.4
3. BC 5.2
4. Stony Brook 6.8
5. Syracuse 7.8
6. Florida 8.2
7. Northwestern 8.2
8. Princeton 10.0
9. PENN 12.0
10. Virginia 12.4
11. James Madison 13.0
12. Notre Dame 13.0
13. Penn St. 16.8
14. Loyola 17.2
15. USC 17.8
16. Navy 19.8
17. Stanford 20.0
18. Denver 21.6
19. Duke 22.0
20. Johns Hopkins 22.2
21. Colorado 22.2
22. MASS 23.8
23. Louisville 26.0

Thanks for the leg work.

Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year.

I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played more top 25 teams at 42 than Duke at 39. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range.

Can't we just solve this by Duke playng Stony Brook every year in an OCC game!?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8.

Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina.

1. UNC 3.2
2. Maryland 3.4
3. BC 5.2
4. Stony Brook 6.8
5. Syracuse 7.8
6. Florida 8.2
7. Northwestern 8.2
8. Princeton 10.0
9. PENN 12.0
10. Virginia 12.4
11. James Madison 13.0
12. Notre Dame 13.0
13. Penn St. 16.8
14. Loyola 17.2
15. USC 17.8
16. Navy 19.8
17. Stanford 20.0
18. Denver 21.6
19. Duke 22.0
20. Johns Hopkins 22.2
21. Colorado 22.2
22. MASS 23.8
23. Louisville 26.0

Thanks for the leg work.

Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year.

Made a revision and added a bit more info...

I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played 42 top 25 teams and Duke played 51 going 12-39. So Duke played more top 25, more in the top 10 but their results were substantial worse than Stony Brook 12-39 vs. 27-15. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8.

Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina.

1. UNC 3.2
2. Maryland 3.4
3. BC 5.2
4. Stony Brook 6.8
5. Syracuse 7.8
6. Florida 8.2
7. Northwestern 8.2
8. Princeton 10.0
9. PENN 12.0
10. Virginia 12.4
11. James Madison 13.0
12. Notre Dame 13.0
13. Penn St. 16.8
14. Loyola 17.2
15. USC 17.8
16. Navy 19.8
17. Stanford 20.0
18. Denver 21.6
19. Duke 22.0
20. Johns Hopkins 22.2
21. Colorado 22.2
22. MASS 23.8
23. Louisville 26.0

Don’t think Penn State will continue to be in the mix. Their # 13 is because of the earlier time in your data. They have been down since 2019 and they do not look very good at this time. Not picking on PSU but didn’t they go to back to back Final Fours just a short time ago? Denver seems to get over looked. Louisville looked like they were going to make some noise and then they just fizzled out. Syracuse challenges themselves with a very difficult schedule and GG is considered a very good coach but was not able to win. Stony Brook gets a lot of hype, they are always raked high and their coach is considered excellent yet like Syracuse they can’t get it done. Florida and ND similar to Stony Brook and Syracuse but it is the Florida and ND coaches that are blamed for their shortcomings. JMU is still the shining light, they are always competitive, they play a relatively difficult schedule, they won a National Championship with few to no highly touted recruits and most of you do not know the coaches name. Virginia and Princeton are very steady, both play competitive schedules (more so for Virginia/ ACC) and garner some quality wins but haven’t been able to get back to the Final Four or win another National Championship. Would love to see Navy back in the Final Four! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Hopkins is Hopkins, very steady always around # 20, solid program, excellent academics… Just not the same college experience as the other Big 10 schools. UNC, MD and BC have been in a class by themselves and on another level but MD could be taking a little step back the way Northwestern did after their dominant run. Penn, USC, Loyola and Stanford are all solid but tend to lack depth and that makes it tough to go from Top 20 to Top 10. UMass has flown under the radar, they have had some very good season but have not received the attention that they earned. Colorado??? Very surprised they have not done better, that’s not a knock, they are on that list. IMHO Colorado has a lot to offer, I personally love the place.

Welcome to Insomnia …

Some great points. In putting this together, it was interesting to see how teams that were highly ranked in 2016-2018 have dropped so far so fast. Penn St and Navy are a couple where that was evident. James Madison lost a tough one to Virginia Tech last night so they will need to rally to stay top 15 this season. I am rooting for the west coast to keep progressing, it will make lacrosse more attractive from my perspective. What this also affirmed was that D1 womens lacrosse at the elite level is still dominated by just two teams in Maryland and Northwestern if you go back a bit further. These 2 teams have won 12 of the last 16 championships with UNC winning 2, BC 1 and James Madison 1.
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[quote=Anonymous]"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8.

Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina.

1. UNC 3.2
2. Maryland 3.4
3. BC 5.2
4. Stony Brook 6.8
5. Syracuse 7.8
6. Florida 8.2
7. Northwestern 8.2
8. Princeton 10.0
9. PENN 12.0
10. Virginia 12.4
11. James Madison 13.0
12. Notre Dame 13.0
13. Penn St. 16.8
14. Loyola 17.2
15. USC 17.8
16. Navy 19.8
17. Stanford 20.0
18. Denver 21.6
19. Duke 22.0
20. Johns Hopkins 22.2
21. Colorado 22.2
22. MASS 23.8
23. Louisville 26.0

Thanks for the leg work.

Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year.

Made a revision and added a bit more info...

I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played 42 top 25 teams and Duke played 51 going 12-39. So Duke played more top 25, more in the top 10 but their results were substantial worse than Stony Brook 12-39 vs. 27-15. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range.

Not sure why we keep going back to Stony Brook and Duke but here you go.

The "Regular Season" schedules for these two teams do not compare at all, Duke consistently plays a much more difficult schedule. I do not like Top 25 would rather use Top 20 as the benchmark because i believe Top 20 to be more accurate (not sure if i am correct).

From 2016 - 2021 all seasons.

Numbers of Games vs Top 25 Teams

66 - Duke
42 - Stony Brook

Dukes Record

24 - 42 vs Top 25
22 - 41 vs Top 20
8 - 28 vs Top 10
2 - 20 vs Top 5

Stony Brooks Record

30 - 12 vs Top 25
19 - 11 vs Top 20
5 - 8 vs Top 10
1 - 3 vs Top 5

No spin, no propaganda those are the numbers.

Number of games vs Top 20

63 - Duke
30 - Stony Brook

Number of games vs Top 10

36 - Duke
13 - Stony Brook

Number of games vs Top 5

22 - Duke
4 - Stony Brook

The moral of the story is that Stony Brook has been rewarded for playing a relatively weak regular season schedule compared to just about all traditional Top 10 - 20 teams. Duke on the hand appears to be punished for playing a regular season schedule that is more in line with Traditional Top 20 teams.

Not knocking or promoting either team, the numbers are the numbers.
12 of Stony Brooks games were vs teams outside the Top 20, while only 3 of Dukes games were vs teams outside the Top 20.
Duke played much more difficult teams and had more Top 20 wins.

No comparison in the overall Strength of Schedule.
Drexel is good this year and Rutgers may surprise a few.
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Drexel is good this year and Rutgers may surprise a few.

Both were pretty good last year as well.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8.

Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina.

1. UNC 3.2
2. Maryland 3.4
3. BC 5.2
4. Stony Brook 6.8
5. Syracuse 7.8
6. Florida 8.2
7. Northwestern 8.2
8. Princeton 10.0
9. PENN 12.0
10. Virginia 12.4
11. James Madison 13.0
12. Notre Dame 13.0
13. Penn St. 16.8
14. Loyola 17.2
15. USC 17.8
16. Navy 19.8
17. Stanford 20.0
18. Denver 21.6
19. Duke 22.0
20. Johns Hopkins 22.2
21. Colorado 22.2
22. MASS 23.8
23. Louisville 26.0

Thanks for the leg work.

Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year.

Made a revision and added a bit more info...

I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played 42 top 25 teams and Duke played 51 going 12-39. So Duke played more top 25, more in the top 10 but their results were substantial worse than Stony Brook 12-39 vs. 27-15. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range.

Not sure why we keep going back to Stony Brook and Duke but here you go.

The "Regular Season" schedules for these two teams do not compare at all, Duke consistently plays a much more difficult schedule. I do not like Top 25 would rather use Top 20 as the benchmark because i believe Top 20 to be more accurate (not sure if i am correct).

From 2016 - 2021 all seasons.

Numbers of Games vs Top 25 Teams

66 - Duke
42 - Stony Brook

Dukes Record

24 - 42 vs Top 25
22 - 41 vs Top 20
8 - 28 vs Top 10
2 - 20 vs Top 5

Stony Brooks Record

30 - 12 vs Top 25
19 - 11 vs Top 20
5 - 8 vs Top 10
1 - 3 vs Top 5

No spin, no propaganda those are the numbers.

Number of games vs Top 20

63 - Duke
30 - Stony Brook

Number of games vs Top 10

36 - Duke
13 - Stony Brook

Number of games vs Top 5

22 - Duke
4 - Stony Brook

The moral of the story is that Stony Brook has been rewarded for playing a relatively weak regular season schedule compared to just about all traditional Top 10 - 20 teams. Duke on the hand appears to be punished for playing a regular season schedule that is more in line with Traditional Top 20 teams.

Not knocking or promoting either team, the numbers are the numbers.
12 of Stony Brooks games were vs teams outside the Top 20, while only 3 of Dukes games were vs teams outside the Top 20.
Duke played much more difficult teams and had more Top 20 wins.

No comparison in the overall Strength of Schedule.


Interested in how you got your data on Duke? I manually compared their schedules form 2016-2021 (excluded 2020) against only final IWLCA rankings, not what a team may have been ranked during the year. Duke was nowhere near 66 games vs. the top 25.
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MOVING ON from this super annoying debate between like 3 people...UConn barely squeaked out a win against Fairfield. Is UConn ranked too high?

Many UConn was practicing good sportsmanship. Nah, that’s can’t be it the only team that is unsportsmanlike is Duke. Nobody else would ever run the score up.

BC displayed excellent sportsmanship yesterday against UMass. Up 22-5 with 10 seconds left in the game a player from BC picks up a ground ball, sprints down field and takes a shot that was saved by the goalie to end the game. That's sportsmanship!
Then the same can be said for UNC who beat Furham 20-7
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Drexel is good this year and Rutgers may surprise a few.

Both were pretty good last year as well.

Both were in NCAA's Rutgers beat Drexel
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8.

Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina.

1. UNC 3.2
2. Maryland 3.4
3. BC 5.2
4. Stony Brook 6.8
5. Syracuse 7.8
6. Florida 8.2
7. Northwestern 8.2
8. Princeton 10.0
9. PENN 12.0
10. Virginia 12.4
11. James Madison 13.0
12. Notre Dame 13.0
13. Penn St. 16.8
14. Loyola 17.2
15. USC 17.8
16. Navy 19.8
17. Stanford 20.0
18. Denver 21.6
19. Duke 22.0
20. Johns Hopkins 22.2
21. Colorado 22.2
22. MASS 23.8
23. Louisville 26.0

Thanks for the leg work.

Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year.

Made a revision and added a bit more info...

I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played 42 top 25 teams and Duke played 51 going 12-39. So Duke played more top 25, more in the top 10 but their results were substantial worse than Stony Brook 12-39 vs. 27-15. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range.

Not sure why we keep going back to Stony Brook and Duke but here you go.

The "Regular Season" schedules for these two teams do not compare at all, Duke consistently plays a much more difficult schedule. I do not like Top 25 would rather use Top 20 as the benchmark because i believe Top 20 to be more accurate (not sure if i am correct).

From 2016 - 2021 all seasons.

Numbers of Games vs Top 25 Teams

66 - Duke
42 - Stony Brook

Dukes Record

24 - 42 vs Top 25
22 - 41 vs Top 20
8 - 28 vs Top 10
2 - 20 vs Top 5

Stony Brooks Record

30 - 12 vs Top 25
19 - 11 vs Top 20
5 - 8 vs Top 10
1 - 3 vs Top 5

No spin, no propaganda those are the numbers.

Number of games vs Top 20

63 - Duke
30 - Stony Brook

Number of games vs Top 10

36 - Duke
13 - Stony Brook

Number of games vs Top 5

22 - Duke
4 - Stony Brook

The moral of the story is that Stony Brook has been rewarded for playing a relatively weak regular season schedule compared to just about all traditional Top 10 - 20 teams. Duke on the hand appears to be punished for playing a regular season schedule that is more in line with Traditional Top 20 teams.

Not knocking or promoting either team, the numbers are the numbers.
12 of Stony Brooks games were vs teams outside the Top 20, while only 3 of Dukes games were vs teams outside the Top 20.
Duke played much more difficult teams and had more Top 20 wins.

No comparison in the overall Strength of Schedule.


Interested in how you got your data on Duke? I manually compared their schedules form 2016-2021 (excluded 2020) against only final IWLCA rankings, not what a team may have been ranked during the year. Duke was nowhere near 66 games vs. the top 25.

I think it might include 2015.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8.

Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina.

1. UNC 3.2
2. Maryland 3.4
3. BC 5.2
4. Stony Brook 6.8
5. Syracuse 7.8
6. Florida 8.2
7. Northwestern 8.2
8. Princeton 10.0
9. PENN 12.0
10. Virginia 12.4
11. James Madison 13.0
12. Notre Dame 13.0
13. Penn St. 16.8
14. Loyola 17.2
15. USC 17.8
16. Navy 19.8
17. Stanford 20.0
18. Denver 21.6
19. Duke 22.0
20. Johns Hopkins 22.2
21. Colorado 22.2
22. MASS 23.8
23. Louisville 26.0

Thanks for the leg work.

Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year.

Made a revision and added a bit more info...

I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played 42 top 25 teams and Duke played 51 going 12-39. So Duke played more top 25, more in the top 10 but their results were substantial worse than Stony Brook 12-39 vs. 27-15. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range.

Not sure why we keep going back to Stony Brook and Duke but here you go.

The "Regular Season" schedules for these two teams do not compare at all, Duke consistently plays a much more difficult schedule. I do not like Top 25 would rather use Top 20 as the benchmark because i believe Top 20 to be more accurate (not sure if i am correct).

From 2016 - 2021 all seasons.

Numbers of Games vs Top 25 Teams

66 - Duke
42 - Stony Brook

Dukes Record

24 - 42 vs Top 25
22 - 41 vs Top 20
8 - 28 vs Top 10
2 - 20 vs Top 5

Stony Brooks Record

30 - 12 vs Top 25
19 - 11 vs Top 20
5 - 8 vs Top 10
1 - 3 vs Top 5

No spin, no propaganda those are the numbers.

Number of games vs Top 20

63 - Duke
30 - Stony Brook

Number of games vs Top 10

36 - Duke
13 - Stony Brook

Number of games vs Top 5

22 - Duke
4 - Stony Brook

The moral of the story is that Stony Brook has been rewarded for playing a relatively weak regular season schedule compared to just about all traditional Top 10 - 20 teams. Duke on the hand appears to be punished for playing a regular season schedule that is more in line with Traditional Top 20 teams.

Not knocking or promoting either team, the numbers are the numbers.
12 of Stony Brooks games were vs teams outside the Top 20, while only 3 of Dukes games were vs teams outside the Top 20.
Duke played much more difficult teams and had more Top 20 wins.

No comparison in the overall Strength of Schedule.


Interested in how you got your data on Duke? I manually compared their schedules form 2016-2021 (excluded 2020) against only final IWLCA rankings, not what a team may have been ranked during the year. Duke was nowhere near 66 games vs. the top 25.

Looked it over,

2015 - 2021 Only regular season and Conference Playoffs No NCAA Tournament Games. Rankings are IWLCA Final Season Poll.

It is very clear why Duke has lightened the load with their non conference games.
I will take Bc and UNC vs the field this year. I think BC has gotten better defensively but slightly weaker on offense while UNC has gotten weaker on defense and about the same on offense. Coaching goes to BC. I would take UNC every time against BC but I thought the same thing last year.
where did courtney weeks go? didn't see her in the first two BC games.
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I will take Bc and UNC vs the field this year. I think BC has gotten better defensively but slightly weaker on offense while UNC has gotten weaker on defense and about the same on offense. Coaching goes to BC. I would take UNC every time against BC but I thought the same thing last year.
Way to go out on a limb.
Ha…
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I will take Bc and UNC vs the field this year. I think BC has gotten better defensively but slightly weaker on offense while UNC has gotten weaker on defense and about the same on offense. Coaching goes to BC. I would take UNC every time against BC but I thought the same thing last year.

The even a blind squirrel finds a nut theory. Keep picking UNC it may pan out one of these years.
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I will take Bc and UNC vs the field this year. I think BC has gotten better defensively but slightly weaker on offense while UNC has gotten weaker on defense and about the same on offense. Coaching goes to BC. I would take UNC every time against BC but I thought the same thing last year.

The even a blind squirrel finds a nut theory. Keep picking UNC it may pan out one of these years.


Over the past 8 and 16 full seasons, UNC has had more success at winning national championships than every D1 school except Maryland and Northwestern. In the last 8 full seasons, they have won 2 (25%). In the last 16 years, only UNC (2), BC (1) and James Madison (1) are schools that have won a national title not named Maryland (5) or Northwestern (7). Since 2013 UNC has made 6 of 8 final fours. Tough not to pick on UNC...
Virginia up 9-6 on Maryland at the Half, Maryland scores 8 unanswered goals in like 13 minutes in the 3rd Quarter…. I do not recall Virginia coach using a TO… it’s possible that I missed it but C’mon Man… Give the girls a little help.
Michigan upsets Notre Dame. Virginia Tech upsets JMU. USC upsets Jacksonville. Any other upsets so far?
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Michigan upsets Notre Dame. Virginia Tech upsets JMU. USC upsets Jacksonville. Any other upsets so far?

Vanderbilt beat Notre Dame today.
There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing.
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing.

Maybe if Duke played any quality opponents they wouldn’t get bashed. I’m sure the upcoming games against East Carolina and Wofford will give them a chance to really pad their stats.
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Michigan upsets Notre Dame. Virginia Tech upsets JMU. USC upsets Jacksonville. Any other upsets so far?

Vanderbilt beat Notre Dame today.

Vanderbilt over ND is an upset, USC over Jacksonville not so much.

Michigan yes. Va Tech yes.

ND in trouble early, JMU with no AQ can not afford many more like this.

Should be an interesting year.
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Michigan upsets Notre Dame. Virginia Tech upsets JMU. USC upsets Jacksonville. Any other upsets so far?

Vanderbilt beat Notre Dame today.

Vanderbilt over ND is an upset, USC over Jacksonville not so much.

Michigan yes. Va Tech yes.

ND in trouble early, JMU with no AQ can not afford many more like this.

Should be an interesting year.

What is AQ?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Michigan upsets Notre Dame. Virginia Tech upsets JMU. USC upsets Jacksonville. Any other upsets so far?

Vanderbilt beat Notre Dame today.

Vanderbilt over ND is an upset, USC over Jacksonville not so much.

Michigan yes. Va Tech yes.

ND in trouble early, JMU with no AQ can not afford many more like this.

Should be an interesting year.

What is AQ?

Automatic qualifier for winning the conference
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing.

Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams .
AQ is generally winner of your conference (I think for conferences with 6 or more teams)
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Michigan upsets Notre Dame. Virginia Tech upsets JMU. USC upsets Jacksonville. Any other upsets so far?

Vanderbilt beat Notre Dame today.

Vanderbilt over ND is an upset, USC over Jacksonville not so much.

Michigan yes. Va Tech yes.

ND in trouble early, JMU with no AQ can not afford many more like this.

Should be an interesting year.

What is AQ?

Automatic Qualifying
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing.

Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams .

Complete BS.
The petty nonsense from the CAA and America East could definitely hurt both JMU and Stony Brook. Both have a limited number of chances to pick up quality wins. Unless things change, JMU has opportunities with Rutgers, Virginia, Maryland and Drexel. Stony Brook has opportunities with Florida, Northwestern and Princeton. Depending on where their opponents finish the regular season, both teams may need at least two wins vs the teams listed.
New rankings. StoneyBrook put up a great fight against Syracuse and Princeton was so strong against UVA. The other Ivies did not open with difficult games. Kudos to Princeton for starting with a challenge and showing up in big style. Northwestern players and a step-up moment playing ASU and Gilbert fouled out. Took them a moment, but the young players got there.

https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/coll...gt5NeUZ8IHZVoaH97IrMAsDjnTVNDcpvIvtg3Wac
SB v SU game was an enjoyable game to watch. They played lax the old fashion way, up and down the field. I don’t the shot clock came into play very often. Also great fast break to slow break goals on both ends. Settled offense maybe 30-35 percent of goals. Overall a pretty clean game-why because the the one ref controlled it right from the start on the very first yellow he gave. Play clean, or your out. And teams did it. (Couple slide up the shoulder yellows but not with intent)

Great job by refs balancing letting them play and stopping it when they needed to.

Wish more games were played like this….
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The petty nonsense from the CAA and America East could definitely hurt both JMU and Stony Brook. Both have a limited number of chances to pick up quality wins. Unless things change, JMU has opportunities with Rutgers, Virginia, Maryland and Drexel. Stony Brook has opportunities with Florida, Northwestern and Princeton. Depending on where their opponents finish the regular season, both teams may need at least two wins vs the teams listed.

Ask Stony Brook how they voted when Boston University left the conference in 2013. BU was also banned from post season tournament participation. You reap what you sow.
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The petty nonsense from the CAA and America East could definitely hurt both JMU and Stony Brook. Both have a limited number of chances to pick up quality wins. Unless things change, JMU has opportunities with Rutgers, Virginia, Maryland and Drexel. Stony Brook has opportunities with Florida, Northwestern and Princeton. Depending on where their opponents finish the regular season, both teams may need at least two wins vs the teams listed.

Ask Stony Brook how they voted when Boston University left the conference in 2013. BU was also banned from post season tournament participation. You reap what you sow.

Very good point.
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New rankings. StoneyBrook put up a great fight against Syracuse and Princeton was so strong against UVA. The other Ivies did not open with difficult games. Kudos to Princeton for starting with a challenge and showing up in big style. Northwestern players and a step-up moment playing ASU and Gilbert fouled out. Took them a moment, but the young players got there.

https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/coll...gt5NeUZ8IHZVoaH97IrMAsDjnTVNDcpvIvtg3Wac

Syracuse not going to the Final Four, Borderline Top 10. Struggled with both Stanford and Stony Brook. SBU Goalkeeper kept Stony Brook in the game, she is excellent.
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing.

Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams .

Complete BS.

Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing.

Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams .

Complete BS.

Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief.

Bla, Bla, Bla... plenty of other teas running up the score. Could care less about who Duke plays or how many goals they score. Other teams doing it and nobody is complaining.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing.

Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams .

Complete BS.

Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief.

22- 5 BC over UMass
19 - 2 Albany over Colgate
22 - 6 BC over BU
21- 2 Monmouth over Central Ct
23 - 6 Syracuse over Binghamton
20 - 2 Jacksonville over Niagara
23 - 2 Michigan over Detroit Mercy

The list goes on... Fine by me to bash Duke but at least be consistent in your bashing...
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing.

Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams .

Complete BS.

Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief.

22- 5 BC over UMass
19 - 2 Albany over Colgate
22 - 6 BC over BU
21- 2 Monmouth over Central Ct
23 - 6 Syracuse over Binghamton
20 - 2 Jacksonville over Niagara
23 - 2 Michigan over Detroit Mercy

The list goes on... Fine by me to bash Duke but at least be consistent in your bashing...


You are looking at a portion of one dimension and not the entire three combined (strength of schedule, goal differential and individual statistics). Below are the current top 10 teams per game goal differential, top 25 opponents and top individual points per game scorers.

Duke has the #1 goal differential in D1, the #1 and #2 points per game individual scorers in D1 and has played 4 games without a top 25 opponent with two more unranked opponents coming this week. When you look at all three components, Duke is letting its best players run it up against the weakest competition at a rate higher than any other top ranked team in the country. To be clear, this is not a criticism of any player, they are doing what their coaches tell them to do:

Duke- 16, (none) 2 players at 7
Boston College- 14 (Northwestern) 1 player at 6, 1 player at 4
UNC- 10 (Florida, James Madison) 2 players at 5
Michigan- 10 (Notre Dame) 1 player at 3
Maryland- 9 (Virginia) 1 player at 5
Loyola- 9 (Johns Hopkins) 1 player at 6
Syracuse- 7 (Stanford, Stony Brook) 1 player at 6, 1 player at 5
Florida- 5 (UNC) 1 player at 7, 1 player at 5
Northwestern- 3 (BC) 1 player at 4
Stony Brook- -1 (Syracuse) 2 players at 4
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing.

Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams .

Complete BS.

Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief.

Ignorance is bliss….a beat down is looming
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing.

Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams .

Complete BS.

Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief.

22- 5 BC over UMass
19 - 2 Albany over Colgate
22 - 6 BC over BU
21- 2 Monmouth over Central Ct
23 - 6 Syracuse over Binghamton
20 - 2 Jacksonville over Niagara
23 - 2 Michigan over Detroit Mercy

The list goes on... Fine by me to bash Duke but at least be consistent in your bashing...


You are looking at a portion of one dimension and not the entire three combined (strength of schedule, goal differential and individual statistics). Below are the current top 10 teams per game goal differential, top 25 opponents and top individual points per game scorers.

Duke has the #1 goal differential in D1, the #1 and #2 points per game individual scorers in D1 and has played 4 games without a top 25 opponent with two more unranked opponents coming this week. When you look at all three components, Duke is letting its best players run it up against the weakest competition at a rate higher than any other top ranked team in the country. To be clear, this is not a criticism of any player, they are doing what their coaches tell them to do:

Duke- 16, (none) 2 players at 7
Boston College- 14 (Northwestern) 1 player at 6, 1 player at 4
UNC- 10 (Florida, James Madison) 2 players at 5
Michigan- 10 (Notre Dame) 1 player at 3
Maryland- 9 (Virginia) 1 player at 5
Loyola- 9 (Johns Hopkins) 1 player at 6
Syracuse- 7 (Stanford, Stony Brook) 1 player at 6, 1 player at 5
Florida- 5 (UNC) 1 player at 7, 1 player at 5
Northwestern- 3 (BC) 1 player at 4
Stony Brook- -1 (Syracuse) 2 players at 4

Who cares, they will be in their ACC schedule soon enough. Their overall schedule is probably tougher than 85% of D1 teams.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing.

Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams .

Complete BS.

Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief.

22- 5 BC over UMass
19 - 2 Albany over Colgate
22 - 6 BC over BU
21- 2 Monmouth over Central Ct
23 - 6 Syracuse over Binghamton
20 - 2 Jacksonville over Niagara
23 - 2 Michigan over Detroit Mercy

The list goes on... Fine by me to bash Duke but at least be consistent in your bashing...


You are looking at a portion of one dimension and not the entire three combined (strength of schedule, goal differential and individual statistics). Below are the current top 10 teams per game goal differential, top 25 opponents and top individual points per game scorers.

Duke has the #1 goal differential in D1, the #1 and #2 points per game individual scorers in D1 and has played 4 games without a top 25 opponent with two more unranked opponents coming this week. When you look at all three components, Duke is letting its best players run it up against the weakest competition at a rate higher than any other top ranked team in the country. To be clear, this is not a criticism of any player, they are doing what their coaches tell them to do:

Duke- 16, (none) 2 players at 7
Boston College- 14 (Northwestern) 1 player at 6, 1 player at 4
UNC- 10 (Florida, James Madison) 2 players at 5
Michigan- 10 (Notre Dame) 1 player at 3
Maryland- 9 (Virginia) 1 player at 5
Loyola- 9 (Johns Hopkins) 1 player at 6
Syracuse- 7 (Stanford, Stony Brook) 1 player at 6, 1 player at 5
Florida- 5 (UNC) 1 player at 7, 1 player at 5
Northwestern- 3 (BC) 1 player at 4
Stony Brook- -1 (Syracuse) 2 players at 4

You lose all credibility when you include Stony Brook in you analysis. Stony Brook has always played a much weaker schedule than any other team considered to be be Top 10 - 20 and they have used that weak schedule to garner a very good looking overall record while allowing their players to pad their stats against weak competition.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing.

Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams .

Complete BS.

Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief.

22- 5 BC over UMass
19 - 2 Albany over Colgate
22 - 6 BC over BU
21- 2 Monmouth over Central Ct
23 - 6 Syracuse over Binghamton
20 - 2 Jacksonville over Niagara
23 - 2 Michigan over Detroit Mercy

The list goes on... Fine by me to bash Duke but at least be consistent in your bashing...


Teams choose out of conference games they play. Thats what makes Dukes schedule laughable They choose that
It seems to me someone has an ax to grind with Duke. If Duke were the only team to run up the score maybe I could understand the whining but that is not the case, many teams do it , why the focus on Duke? Duke plays a weak non conference schedule but overall their schedule is pretty tough.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing.

Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams .

Complete BS.

Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief.

22- 5 BC over UMass
19 - 2 Albany over Colgate
22 - 6 BC over BU
21- 2 Monmouth over Central Ct
23 - 6 Syracuse over Binghamton
20 - 2 Jacksonville over Niagara
23 - 2 Michigan over Detroit Mercy

The list goes on... Fine by me to bash Duke but at least be consistent in your bashing...


Teams choose out of conference games they play. Thats what makes Dukes schedule laughable They choose that

It looks like all of the games listed above were out of conference games. They were all Blowouts.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing.

Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams .

Complete BS.

Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief.

22- 5 BC over UMass
19 - 2 Albany over Colgate
22 - 6 BC over BU
21- 2 Monmouth over Central Ct
23 - 6 Syracuse over Binghamton
20 - 2 Jacksonville over Niagara
23 - 2 Michigan over Detroit Mercy

The list goes on... Fine by me to bash Duke but at least be consistent in your bashing...


You are looking at a portion of one dimension and not the entire three combined (strength of schedule, goal differential and individual statistics). Below are the current top 10 teams per game goal differential, top 25 opponents and top individual points per game scorers.

Duke has the #1 goal differential in D1, the #1 and #2 points per game individual scorers in D1 and has played 4 games without a top 25 opponent with two more unranked opponents coming this week. When you look at all three components, Duke is letting its best players run it up against the weakest competition at a rate higher than any other top ranked team in the country. To be clear, this is not a criticism of any player, they are doing what their coaches tell them to do:

Duke- 16, (none) 2 players at 7
Boston College- 14 (Northwestern) 1 player at 6, 1 player at 4
UNC- 10 (Florida, James Madison) 2 players at 5
Michigan- 10 (Notre Dame) 1 player at 3
Maryland- 9 (Virginia) 1 player at 5
Loyola- 9 (Johns Hopkins) 1 player at 6
Syracuse- 7 (Stanford, Stony Brook) 1 player at 6, 1 player at 5
Florida- 5 (UNC) 1 player at 7, 1 player at 5
Northwestern- 3 (BC) 1 player at 4
Stony Brook- -1 (Syracuse) 2 players at 4

Off the top of my head, Duke will have games vs Syracuse, Penn, Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, Boston College and North Carolina and possibly 1 or 2 additional ACC games. Outside of ACC teams not too many programs will play many more difficult games than Duke. All of the carrying on is a bit much, none of it matters, Duke will either be competitive vs ACC teams or they will not be competitive. It will all come out in the wash. Sorry, I just don’t get the concern over a snapshot in time. There is a lot of lacrosse to be played, time will tell who is who and what is what.
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing.

Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams .

Complete BS.

Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief.

Bla, Bla, Bla... plenty of other teas running up the score. Could care less about who Duke plays or how many goals they score. Other teams doing it and nobody is complaining.


This response is ignorant on many levels. Other teams have been called out many times over the years at both the collegiate and high school levels for doing exactly that on this site. The other teams are doing it so its okay excuse is ridiculous and these coaches should be better than scheduling obviously overmatched opponents and running up the score . Duke is a good team and there is no reason to do this other than having some of your players pad their overinflated stats,
AND ensuring a .500 average come to tournament bid selection time.
It would be great for the sport, and college athletics in general, is the elite academics (NU, Hopkins, Stanford, vanderbilt, Duke, ND, Stanford, USC, Ivies) could make a “pact”, so to speak, where they strive to rotate through all 16 or so schools every 4-5 years in their OOC schedule.
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AND ensuring a .500 average come to tournament bid selection time.
It would be great for the sport, and college athletics in general, is the elite academics (NU, Hopkins, Stanford, vanderbilt, Duke, ND, Stanford, USC, Ivies) could make a “pact”, so to speak, where they strive to rotate through all 16 or so schools every 4-5 years in their OOC schedule.

What in the world are you talking about?
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing.

Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams .

Complete BS.

Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief.

Bla, Bla, Bla... plenty of other teas running up the score. Could care less about who Duke plays or how many goals they score. Other teams doing it and nobody is complaining.


This response is ignorant on many levels. Other teams have been called out many times over the years at both the collegiate and high school levels for doing exactly that on this site. The other teams are doing it so its okay excuse is ridiculous and these coaches should be better than scheduling obviously overmatched opponents and running up the score . Duke is a good team and there is no reason to do this other than having some of your players pad their overinflated stats,

Not ignorant at all. No other team is being criticized right now for running up the score or their stats. It would appear that everyone but you knows exactly why Duke has lightened the non conference schedule in recent years.

The pollsters punish team’s who play a difficult schedule and have a very average or below average record and they reward teams that play a (relatively) weak schedule compared to other top 20 caliber teams.

The main reason Duke has changed the caliber of non conference opponents is to ensure at least a .500 record.

They don’t do it so their players can rack up points.
It’s all in the RPI - just you wait...
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SB v SU game was an enjoyable game to watch. They played lax the old fashion way, up and down the field. I don’t the shot clock came into play very often. Also great fast break to slow break goals on both ends. Settled offense maybe 30-35 percent of goals. Overall a pretty clean game-why because the the one ref controlled it right from the start on the very first yellow he gave. Play clean, or your out. And teams did it. (Couple slide up the shoulder yellows but not with intent)

Great job by refs balancing letting them play and stopping it when they needed to.

Wish more games were played like this….

Watched the game. Good game two solid teams.

Your comments regarding “pretty clean game” are a bit out of left field. Stony Brook with 6 yellow cards… that’s not too clean.
The Dukies are afraid of the virus.. they are staying close to home, buses only.. and wont be getting on any airplanes for an OOC game.. Im sure it cam from the top
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The Dukies are afraid of the virus.. they are staying close to home, buses only.. and wont be getting on any airplanes for an OOC game.. Im sure it cam from the top

Sorry, no. Duke started scheduling less competitive non conference games before the pandemic.
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The Dukies are afraid of the virus.. they are staying close to home, buses only.. and wont be getting on any airplanes for an OOC game.. Im sure it cam from the top

Sorry, no. Duke started scheduling less competitive non conference games before the pandemic.

To an extent maybe.. but they always made at least 1 trip out west.. either Stanford or Northwestern
Womens's Division I Rankings 20-21-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll
1 Boston College (3 - 0) 625 (25) 1
2 North Carolina (3 - 0) 599 2
3 Syracuse (3 - 0) 576 3
4 Stony Brook (0 - 1) 512 4
5 Maryland (2 - 0) 483 8
6 Northwestern (2 - 1) 479 5
7 Florida (1 - 1) 461 7
8 Duke (4 - 0) 454 6
9 Loyola (1 - 0) 419 9
10 Michigan (4 - 0) 391 11
11 Princeton (1 - 0) 383 16
12 Denver (3 - 0) 361 15
13 Virginia (2 - 2) 293 10
14 Rutgers (3 - 0) 252 17
15 Drexel (3 - 0) 229 19
16 Stanford (1 - 2) 197 14
17 Notre Dame (1 - 2) 186 12
18 James Madison (1 - 2) 167 13
19 Penn (1 - 0) 162 20
20 Temple (3 - 0) 157 22
21 Jacksonville (2 - 1) 156 18
22 Vanderbilt (2 - 0) 153 NR
23 USC (3 - 0) 133 NR
24 Johns Hopkins (1 - 1) 48 21
25 UConn (1 - 1) 39 23
RV UMass, Colorado, Ohio State, Virginia Tech, Navy
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AND ensuring a .500 average come to tournament bid selection time.
It would be great for the sport, and college athletics in general, is the elite academics (NU, Hopkins, Stanford, vanderbilt, Duke, ND, Stanford, USC, Ivies) could make a “pact”, so to speak, where they strive to rotate through all 16 or so schools every 4-5 years in their OOC schedule.

What in the world are you talking about?

All the elites should have the opportunity to play one another in OOC play. Instead, you have teams like Duke blowing out Gardner Webb and Elon for clout.
Exactly! Maybe the poster before you went to Duke
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AND ensuring a .500 average come to tournament bid selection time.
It would be great for the sport, and college athletics in general, is the elite academics (NU, Hopkins, Stanford, vanderbilt, Duke, ND, Stanford, USC, Ivies) could make a “pact”, so to speak, where they strive to rotate through all 16 or so schools every 4-5 years in their OOC schedule.

What in the world are you talking about?

All the elites should have the opportunity to play one another in OOC play. Instead, you have teams like Duke blowing out Gardner Webb and Elon for clout.

Why not just have the best 20 programs complete against each other and only have the best programs complete in the NCAA Tournament.
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Womens's Division I Rankings 20-21-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll
1 Boston College (3 - 0) 625 (25) 1
2 North Carolina (3 - 0) 599 2
3 Syracuse (3 - 0) 576 3
4 Stony Brook (0 - 1) 512 4
5 Maryland (2 - 0) 483 8
6 Northwestern (2 - 1) 479 5
7 Florida (1 - 1) 461 7
8 Duke (4 - 0) 454 6
9 Loyola (1 - 0) 419 9
10 Michigan (4 - 0) 391 11
11 Princeton (1 - 0) 383 16
12 Denver (3 - 0) 361 15
13 Virginia (2 - 2) 293 10
14 Rutgers (3 - 0) 252 17
15 Drexel (3 - 0) 229 19
16 Stanford (1 - 2) 197 14
17 Notre Dame (1 - 2) 186 12
18 James Madison (1 - 2) 167 13
19 Penn (1 - 0) 162 20
20 Temple (3 - 0) 157 22
21 Jacksonville (2 - 1) 156 18
22 Vanderbilt (2 - 0) 153 NR
23 USC (3 - 0) 133 NR
24 Johns Hopkins (1 - 1) 48 21
25 UConn (1 - 1) 39 23
RV UMass, Colorado, Ohio State, Virginia Tech, Navy

How many teams make NCAA Tournament this year?

How many automatic bids?

How many at large bids?
Just looked at Virginia's schedule.... Very difficult.

If they do not make the NCAA Tournament I could see them going the way of Duke.
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AND ensuring a .500 average come to tournament bid selection time.
It would be great for the sport, and college athletics in general, is the elite academics (NU, Hopkins, Stanford, vanderbilt, Duke, ND, Stanford, USC, Ivies) could make a “pact”, so to speak, where they strive to rotate through all 16 or so schools every 4-5 years in their OOC schedule.

What in the world are you talking about?

All the elites should have the opportunity to play one another in OOC play. Instead, you have teams like Duke blowing out Gardner Webb and Elon for clout.

Why Elite academic schools and who decides who the elite academic schools are.
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AND ensuring a .500 average come to tournament bid selection time.
It would be great for the sport, and college athletics in general, is the elite academics (NU, Hopkins, Stanford, vanderbilt, Duke, ND, Stanford, USC, Ivies) could make a “pact”, so to speak, where they strive to rotate through all 16 or so schools every 4-5 years in their OOC schedule.

What in the world are you talking about?

All the elites should have the opportunity to play one another in OOC play. Instead, you have teams like Duke blowing out Gardner Webb and Elon for clout.

Why Elite academic schools and who decides who the elite academic schools are.

IDK where the cutoff is for "elite" but the premise is a bit idiotic. Especially naming Elon. Elon beat Duke not too long ago and finished in the Top 20 recently, UMass is another example, They lost to Boston College 22-5 this year but they beat Boston College in 2020 and have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 multiple times in recent years.

The whining about Duke is just nonsense, there are a lot of blowouts every year. There have been a many lopsided games already this year but we only seem to hear about Duke.
Can’t wait to catch that Duke Wofford game tomorrow. Should be a real barn burner. Another chance to inflate some stats
I'm looking forward to Jacksonville vs UNC on Sunday. While I think UNC will prove to be too much overall, I do like how much Jacksonville has improved as a team. They really should have beaten USC.
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I'm looking forward to Jacksonville vs UNC on Sunday. While I think UNC will prove to be too much overall, I do like how much Jacksonville has improved as a team. They really should have beaten USC.

I would say could have, not should have... Although Jacksonville will most likely win their conference, games like that are very important when it comes to getting an at large bid. Quality wins (as the NCAA defines them) wins vs Top 5 RPI, Top 10 RPI, Top 20 RPI (at least on the mens side) not sure criteria for women. Looking at last year RPI, USC would have a QW vs Top 20 RPI Team as Jacksonville was # 16 in RPI.

RPI and the Polls are not always the same.
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I'm looking forward to Jacksonville vs UNC on Sunday. While I think UNC will prove to be too much overall, I do like how much Jacksonville has improved as a team. They really should have beaten USC.

I would say could have, not should have... Although Jacksonville will most likely win their conference, games like that are very important when it comes to getting an at large bid. Quality wins (as the NCAA defines them) wins vs Top 5 RPI, Top 10 RPI, Top 20 RPI (at least on the mens side) not sure criteria for women. Looking at last year RPI, USC would have a QW vs Top 20 RPI Team as Jacksonville was # 16 in RPI.

RPI and the Polls are not always the same.

Fair point, but keep in mind Jacksonville had the lead for a good while, but started to lose out on the ground ball game in the second half. Absolutely a winnable game. It's good to see USC finding some success, as they just haven't been the USC of old for a while.

Notre Dame has been a big disappointment for me.
Virginia is currently 2 - 5 and they are probably better than 110 Teams. Perfect example of why a teams record is not an indication of how a team stacks up in women's DI lacrosse.
Nice win over Va Tech for Liberty!!
Charlotte North was awful on the draws today and should have been benched from that position
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[quote=Anonymous]"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8.

Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina.

1. UNC 3.2
2. Maryland 3.4
3. BC 5.2
4. Stony Brook 6.8
5. Syracuse 7.8
6. Florida 8.2
7. Northwestern 8.2
8. Princeton 10.0
9. PENN 12.0
10. Virginia 12.4
11. James Madison 13.0
12. Notre Dame 13.0
13. Penn St. 16.8
14. Loyola 17.2
15. USC 17.8
16. Navy 19.8
17. Stanford 20.0
18. Denver 21.6
19. Duke 22.0
20. Johns Hopkins 22.2
21. Colorado 22.2
22. MASS 23.8
23. Louisville 26.0

Thanks for the leg work.

Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year.

Made a revision and added a bit more info...

I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played 42 top 25 teams and Duke played 51 going 12-39. So Duke played more top 25, more in the top 10 but their results were substantial worse than Stony Brook 12-39 vs. 27-15. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range.

Just looking over what actually took place over the Timeline that you went with, the last 5 full seasons of play I wold say Stony Brook should actually be more like 15 based on their performance and results. Your post caused me to look at a few things, your post and the fact that Stony Brook actually moved up in the poll after week 1 even though they did not play seemed a little weird to me.

2016 , 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021 and YTD 2022 because the phenomenon is continuing.

Stony Brooks "Pre-season ranking", "end of regular season ranking" and "final season ranking" have not been justified in any way.

2016 Pre-season 8, regular season 7, final 8.
2017 Pre-season 6, regular season 4, final 4.
2018 Pre-season 2, regular season 1, final 5..
2019 Pre-season 5, regular season 15 final 12.
2021 Pre-season 6, regular season 5, final 5.
2022 Pre-season 6, current ranking 4.

During that time Stony Brook played 4 games vs Top 5 Teams and they are 0 - 4.
They are 3 - 8 vs Top 10 Teams with their best wins against #8 2x.
They have never made the Final Four yet somehow they ended up at 4 in one of the final rankings.

At some point, don't you have to actually win a game against a Top 5 team in order to be considered a top 5 team or be ranked in the Top 5?
One would think that in order to be considered Top 10 on a regular basis you would have to have a winning record vs Top 10 Teams.

Just looking at last year and this year, They are 0 - 4 vs Top 5 Teams. They had 1 win against a Top 20 team #14 Rutgers. 15 of their 19 games last year were against Teams outside the Top 20. I guess results do not matter

Make it make sense, please.
Can someone tell me the Poke check to the stick became legal in womens lacrosse. That is a check towards the body correct. All I am seeing is defenders reaching out and like checking or clawing at the bottom hand. Don’t mind it but didn’t know it was legal. But it looks like the butt end check is always called.
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Charlotte North was awful on the draws today and should have been benched from that position

Oh just go away. How about give some credit to UVA players.
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[quote=Anonymous]"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8.

Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina.

1. UNC 3.2
2. Maryland 3.4
3. BC 5.2
4. Stony Brook 6.8
5. Syracuse 7.8
6. Florida 8.2
7. Northwestern 8.2
8. Princeton 10.0
9. PENN 12.0
10. Virginia 12.4
11. James Madison 13.0
12. Notre Dame 13.0
13. Penn St. 16.8
14. Loyola 17.2
15. USC 17.8
16. Navy 19.8
17. Stanford 20.0
18. Denver 21.6
19. Duke 22.0
20. Johns Hopkins 22.2
21. Colorado 22.2
22. MASS 23.8
23. Louisville 26.0

Thanks for the leg work.

Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year.

Made a revision and added a bit more info...

I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played 42 top 25 teams and Duke played 51 going 12-39. So Duke played more top 25, more in the top 10 but their results were substantial worse than Stony Brook 12-39 vs. 27-15. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range.

Just looking over what actually took place over the Timeline that you went with, the last 5 full seasons of play I wold say Stony Brook should actually be more like 15 based on their performance and results. Your post caused me to look at a few things, your post and the fact that Stony Brook actually moved up in the poll after week 1 even though they did not play seemed a little weird to me.

2016 , 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021 and YTD 2022 because the phenomenon is continuing.

Stony Brooks "Pre-season ranking", "end of regular season ranking" and "final season ranking" have not been justified in any way.

2016 Pre-season 8, regular season 7, final 8.
2017 Pre-season 6, regular season 4, final 4.
2018 Pre-season 2, regular season 1, final 5..
2019 Pre-season 5, regular season 15 final 12.
2021 Pre-season 6, regular season 5, final 5.
2022 Pre-season 6, current ranking 4.

During that time Stony Brook played 4 games vs Top 5 Teams and they are 0 - 4.
They are 3 - 8 vs Top 10 Teams with their best wins against #8 2x.
They have never made the Final Four yet somehow they ended up at 4 in one of the final rankings.

At some point, don't you have to actually win a game against a Top 5 team in order to be considered a top 5 team or be ranked in the Top 5?
One would think that in order to be considered Top 10 on a regular basis you would have to have a winning record vs Top 10 Teams.

Just looking at last year and this year, They are 0 - 4 vs Top 5 Teams. They had 1 win against a Top 20 team #14 Rutgers. 15 of their 19 games last year were against Teams outside the Top 20. I guess results do not matter

Make it make sense, please.

I was surprised by the numbers so I took a look. The above must only be looking at the regular season records.
Including post season Stony Brooks record is.

0 - 8 against Top 5
3 - 13 against Top 10

Not trying to pick on Stony Brook but their rankings over the years do not make sense. Facts are facts.
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[quote=Anonymous]"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.

There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.

This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."

Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again.


Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8.

Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina.

1. UNC 3.2
2. Maryland 3.4
3. BC 5.2
4. Stony Brook 6.8
5. Syracuse 7.8
6. Florida 8.2
7. Northwestern 8.2
8. Princeton 10.0
9. PENN 12.0
10. Virginia 12.4
11. James Madison 13.0
12. Notre Dame 13.0
13. Penn St. 16.8
14. Loyola 17.2
15. USC 17.8
16. Navy 19.8
17. Stanford 20.0
18. Denver 21.6
19. Duke 22.0
20. Johns Hopkins 22.2
21. Colorado 22.2
22. MASS 23.8
23. Louisville 26.0

Thanks for the leg work.

Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year.

Made a revision and added a bit more info...

I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played 42 top 25 teams and Duke played 51 going 12-39. So Duke played more top 25, more in the top 10 but their results were substantial worse than Stony Brook 12-39 vs. 27-15. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range.

Just looking over what actually took place over the Timeline that you went with, the last 5 full seasons of play I wold say Stony Brook should actually be more like 15 based on their performance and results. Your post caused me to look at a few things, your post and the fact that Stony Brook actually moved up in the poll after week 1 even though they did not play seemed a little weird to me.

2016 , 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021 and YTD 2022 because the phenomenon is continuing.

Stony Brooks "Pre-season ranking", "end of regular season ranking" and "final season ranking" have not been justified in any way.

2016 Pre-season 8, regular season 7, final 8.
2017 Pre-season 6, regular season 4, final 4.
2018 Pre-season 2, regular season 1, final 5..
2019 Pre-season 5, regular season 15 final 12.
2021 Pre-season 6, regular season 5, final 5.
2022 Pre-season 6, current ranking 4.

During that time Stony Brook played 4 games vs Top 5 Teams and they are 0 - 4.
They are 3 - 8 vs Top 10 Teams with their best wins against #8 2x.
They have never made the Final Four yet somehow they ended up at 4 in one of the final rankings.

At some point, don't you have to actually win a game against a Top 5 team in order to be considered a top 5 team or be ranked in the Top 5?
One would think that in order to be considered Top 10 on a regular basis you would have to have a winning record vs Top 10 Teams.

Just looking at last year and this year, They are 0 - 4 vs Top 5 Teams. They had 1 win against a Top 20 team #14 Rutgers. 15 of their 19 games last year were against Teams outside the Top 20. I guess results do not matter

Make it make sense, please.

All very fair points. My reasoning for 10 was they did not really lose to teams ranked higher than that. 10-15 is fair, where they finished not so much.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Virginia is currently 2 - 5 and they are probably better than 110 Teams. Perfect example of why a teams record is not an indication of how a team stacks up in women's DI lacrosse.

Virginia is 2-3 with losses to BC, Maryland and Princeton.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just looked at Virginia's schedule.... Very difficult.

If they do not make the NCAA Tournament I could see them going the way of Duke.


Huge Virginia fan for how they approach their schedule. I think they make it to a 500 record. They will need to win 3 of the toss ups or upset UNC and/or Syracuse. I think they beat Virginia Tech, James Madison and Richmond and can definitely the other 3 as well.

PROJECTED LOSSES
Maryland (L)
Princeton (L)
BC (L)
UNC
Syracuse

PROJECTED WINS
Elon (W)
Cal (W)
Pitt
Louisville

TOSS UPS
Virginia Tech
James Madison
Richmond
Stanford
Duke
Notre Dame
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Charlotte North was awful on the draws today and should have been benched from that position

Oh just go away. How about give some credit to UVA players.

Exactly, UVA dominated draws. Strange they kept CN in when she kept losing. Others wouldn’t get that slack
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Charlotte North was awful on the draws today and should have been benched from that position

Oh just go away. How about give some credit to UVA players.

Exactly, UVA dominated draws. Strange they kept CN in when she kept losing. Others wouldn’t get that slack

Circle play doesn’t count? Obviously you have an issue.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just looked at Virginia's schedule.... Very difficult.

If they do not make the NCAA Tournament I could see them going the way of Duke.


I think Notre Dame is in a much more difficult spot, I could see them easing the schedule in the future. Notre Dame will have to win 4 of their toss up games or upset Syracuse, UNC and/or BC. I do not see them making the NCAAs this season.

PROJECTED LOSSES
Michigan (L)
Vanderbilt (L)
Northwestern (L)
Syracuse
UNC
BC

PROJECTED WINS
Central Michigan (W)
Pitt
Louisville
Marquette

TOSS UPS
Jacksonville
Duke
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Yale
Duke
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just looked at Virginia's schedule.... Very difficult.

If they do not make the NCAA Tournament I could see them going the way of Duke.


Huge Virginia fan for how they approach their schedule. I think they make it to a 500 record. They will need to win 3 of the toss ups or upset UNC and/or Syracuse. I think they beat Virginia Tech, James Madison and Richmond and can definitely win at least 1 other 3 as well.

PROJECTED LOSSES
Maryland (L)
Princeton (L)
BC (L)
UNC
Syracuse

PROJECTED WINS
Elon (W)
Cal (W)
Pitt
Louisville

TOSS UPS
Virginia Tech
James Madison
Richmond
Stanford
Duke
Notre Dame


Apologies, they need to win four of the toss ups or have upsets.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Virginia is currently 2 - 5 and they are probably better than 110 Teams. Perfect example of why a teams record is not an indication of how a team stacks up in women's DI lacrosse.

Virginia is 2-3 with losses to BC, Maryland and Princeton.

I think that is the point. They have 3 losses, all to Top 10 Teams. There could be a team with a 5 - 0 record that is nowhere near the caliber of team that Virginia is.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Charlotte North was awful on the draws today and should have been benched from that position

Oh just go away. How about give some credit to UVA players.

Exactly, UVA dominated draws. Strange they kept CN in when she kept losing. Others wouldn’t get that slack

Circle play doesn’t count? Obviously you have an issue.

No issues, I’m a fan of CN. Yesterday she was horrible on the draw and I was surprised she was left in. Was literally smoked almost every time. Anyone else would have been pulled.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just looked at Virginia's schedule.... Very difficult.

If they do not make the NCAA Tournament I could see them going the way of Duke.


I think Notre Dame is in a much more difficult spot, I could see them easing the schedule in the future. Notre Dame will have to win 4 of their toss up games or upset Syracuse, UNC and/or BC. I do not see them making the NCAAs this season.

PROJECTED LOSSES
Michigan (L)
Vanderbilt (L)
Northwestern (L)
Syracuse
UNC
BC

PROJECTED WINS
Central Michigan (W)
Pitt
Louisville
Marquette

TOSS UPS
Jacksonville
Duke
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Yale
Duke
Notre Dame goes 7-9 this year and misses the NCAA. Coach will be on the hot seat next year. ND has not been to a final 4 since 2006.
There have been a couple of interesting and eye opening posts regarding Virginia and Notre Dame and their chances of being .500. As we all know, a team must be at least .500 in order to be eligible for the NCAA Tournament. Many on here applaud programs/coaches that challenge their teams it is not difficult to see why the coaches at Duke may have changed their Tack. Every coach wants to make the NCAA Tournament but their are a limited number of at large bids to be had and the selection process does not always make sense or reward teams for playing a tough schedule. I watched Notre Dame play Northwestern and Virginia play Boston College to think that either UVA or ND might not get an at large bid is a little crazy, both are very good teams.

The 2019 season illustrates how playing challenging schedule can hurt a teams chances of an at large bid as well as negatively impact perception of the team as well as hurt the team in the polls.

I cringe as I write this but here we go, the can of worms is open again.... Take a look at the tale of two teams from 2019. Duke and you guessed it Stony Brook :-)

Stony Brook was ranked # 5 in preseason, Duke was a preseason # 24.

Stony Brook played 0 regular season games vs Top 5 opponents, Duke competed against 5 Top 5 opponents during the regular season (duke went 0-5).
Stony Brook played 2 regular season games vs Top 10 opponents (0-2), Duke played 8 Top 10 teams (1-7) with a win over #9.
Stony Brook played 5 regular season games vs Top 20 teams (2-3) wins over #17 & #19. Duke played 9 Top 20 opponents during the regular season (1 - 8) lone win #9.

Duke had no losses to teams outside the Top 20, Stony Brook had 1 loss to a team not ranked in the Top 20.

Stony Brook finished the regular season ranked 15th.
Duke finished the regular season ranked 16th.

Stony Brook won the AE and was awarded the AQ to the NCAA Tournament.
Duke did not win the ACC and Duke did not receive an At Large Bid to the Tournament.

Stony Brook won 1 Tournament game.

Stony Brook moved up and finished #12 in the Final poll.
Duke did not play a tournament game and dropped in the Final Poll from # 16 to # 21 (out of the Top 20).

Dukes regular season schedule was significantly more difficult and obviously it hurt the Blue Devils.

Playing a less competitive schedule and racking up wins while players pad stats does appear to help the coach, the program and the players in terms of recognition, ranking, tournament etc...

The following year, 2020...

Stony Brook had a preseason ranking of # 5.
Duke was ranked preseason at # 18.

Draw your own conclusions as to why Duke and possibly other programs that compete in very competitive conferences may look to ease up on their non conference games.
Florida vs Maryland and Notre Dame vs Syracuse should be interest this weekend. Is this a must win game for Notre Dame?
Stanford at Virginia, has to be a must win for UVA.
Libery, Liberty, liiiberrrrtyyy .... Great win for the Flames!!
Who will have the next big upset?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There have been a couple of interesting and eye opening posts regarding Virginia and Notre Dame and their chances of being .500. As we all know, a team must be at least .500 in order to be eligible for the NCAA Tournament. Many on here applaud programs/coaches that challenge their teams it is not difficult to see why the coaches at Duke may have changed their Tack. Every coach wants to make the NCAA Tournament but their are a limited number of at large bids to be had and the selection process does not always make sense or reward teams for playing a tough schedule. I watched Notre Dame play Northwestern and Virginia play Boston College to think that either UVA or ND might not get an at large bid is a little crazy, both are very good teams.

The 2019 season illustrates how playing challenging schedule can hurt a teams chances of an at large bid as well as negatively impact perception of the team as well as hurt the team in the polls.

I cringe as I write this but here we go, the can of worms is open again.... Take a look at the tale of two teams from 2019. Duke and you guessed it Stony Brook :-)

Stony Brook was ranked # 5 in preseason, Duke was a preseason # 24.

Stony Brook played 0 regular season games vs Top 5 opponents, Duke competed against 5 Top 5 opponents during the regular season (duke went 0-5).
Stony Brook played 2 regular season games vs Top 10 opponents (0-2), Duke played 8 Top 10 teams (1-7) with a win over #9.
Stony Brook played 5 regular season games vs Top 20 teams (2-3) wins over #17 & #19. Duke played 9 Top 20 opponents during the regular season (1 - 8) lone win #9.

Duke had no losses to teams outside the Top 20, Stony Brook had 1 loss to a team not ranked in the Top 20.

Stony Brook finished the regular season ranked 15th.
Duke finished the regular season ranked 16th.

Stony Brook won the AE and was awarded the AQ to the NCAA Tournament.
Duke did not win the ACC and Duke did not receive an At Large Bid to the Tournament.

Stony Brook won 1 Tournament game.

Stony Brook moved up and finished #12 in the Final poll.
Duke did not play a tournament game and dropped in the Final Poll from # 16 to # 21 (out of the Top 20).

Dukes regular season schedule was significantly more difficult and obviously it hurt the Blue Devils.

Playing a less competitive schedule and racking up wins while players pad stats does appear to help the coach, the program and the players in terms of recognition, ranking, tournament etc...

The following year, 2020...

Stony Brook had a preseason ranking of # 5.
Duke was ranked preseason at # 18.

Draw your own conclusions as to why Duke and possibly other programs that compete in very competitive conferences may look to ease up on their non conference games.


The one unknown for 2019, would Stony Brook have received an at-large bid if they were not an AQ? As for the rest of it, I am a fan of Duke's opponent every game for this season. They will get enough wins to meet the 500 record requirement, but that does not guarantee them an at large bid. If would be justice from my perspective if they do not register a top 20 win. It is possible they loss to BC, UNC, Syracuse, Penn and Virginia. Appears Virginia Tech and ND both might slip out of the top 20. ND still has a chance to beat them as well. If those scenarios happen, the selection committee should leave Duke out based on their schedule and not having any top 20 wins. Does Duke finally get back to the form they showed in 2015 and beat several top 10 teams in the same season, time will tell.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There have been a couple of interesting and eye opening posts regarding Virginia and Notre Dame and their chances of being .500. As we all know, a team must be at least .500 in order to be eligible for the NCAA Tournament. Many on here applaud programs/coaches that challenge their teams it is not difficult to see why the coaches at Duke may have changed their Tack. Every coach wants to make the NCAA Tournament but their are a limited number of at large bids to be had and the selection process does not always make sense or reward teams for playing a tough schedule. I watched Notre Dame play Northwestern and Virginia play Boston College to think that either UVA or ND might not get an at large bid is a little crazy, both are very good teams.

The 2019 season illustrates how playing challenging schedule can hurt a teams chances of an at large bid as well as negatively impact perception of the team as well as hurt the team in the polls.

I cringe as I write this but here we go, the can of worms is open again.... Take a look at the tale of two teams from 2019. Duke and you guessed it Stony Brook :-)

Stony Brook was ranked # 5 in preseason, Duke was a preseason # 24.

Stony Brook played 0 regular season games vs Top 5 opponents, Duke competed against 5 Top 5 opponents during the regular season (duke went 0-5).
Stony Brook played 2 regular season games vs Top 10 opponents (0-2), Duke played 8 Top 10 teams (1-7) with a win over #9.
Stony Brook played 5 regular season games vs Top 20 teams (2-3) wins over #17 & #19. Duke played 9 Top 20 opponents during the regular season (1 - 8) lone win #9.

Duke had no losses to teams outside the Top 20, Stony Brook had 1 loss to a team not ranked in the Top 20.

Stony Brook finished the regular season ranked 15th.
Duke finished the regular season ranked 16th.

Stony Brook won the AE and was awarded the AQ to the NCAA Tournament.
Duke did not win the ACC and Duke did not receive an At Large Bid to the Tournament.

Stony Brook won 1 Tournament game.

Stony Brook moved up and finished #12 in the Final poll.
Duke did not play a tournament game and dropped in the Final Poll from # 16 to # 21 (out of the Top 20).

Dukes regular season schedule was significantly more difficult and obviously it hurt the Blue Devils.

Playing a less competitive schedule and racking up wins while players pad stats does appear to help the coach, the program and the players in terms of recognition, ranking, tournament etc...

The following year, 2020...

Stony Brook had a preseason ranking of # 5.
Duke was ranked preseason at # 18.

Draw your own conclusions as to why Duke and possibly other programs that compete in very competitive conferences may look to ease up on their non conference games.


The one unknown for 2019, would Stony Brook have received an at-large bid if they were not an AQ? As for the rest of it, I am a fan of Duke's opponent every game for this season. They will get enough wins to meet the 500 record requirement, but that does not guarantee them an at large bid. If would be justice from my perspective if they do not register a top 20 win. It is possible they loss to BC, UNC, Syracuse, Penn and Virginia. Appears Virginia Tech and ND both might slip out of the top 20. ND still has a chance to beat them as well. If those scenarios happen, the selection committee should leave Duke out based on their schedule and not having any top 20 wins. Does Duke finally get back to the form they showed in 2015 and beat several top 10 teams in the same season, time will tell.

Considering the committee left them hanging with a Top 10 win I am sure that they will be left out with no top 20 wins.
ND is not good. They are always hyped up because they are ND. While Duke maybe good the OOC schedule they play is embarrassing. They also pad the stats of the starting studs.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ND is not good. They are always hyped up because they are ND. While Duke maybe good the OOC schedule they play is embarrassing. They also pad the stats of the starting studs.

Not true, obvious even ignorant all at the same time.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Libery, Liberty, liiiberrrrtyyy .... Great win for the Flames!!
Who will have the next big upset?

Richmond with a nice win over State.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Libery, Liberty, liiiberrrrtyyy .... Great win for the Flames!!
Who will have the next big upset?

Richmond with a nice win over State.
Stanford
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ND is not good. They are always hyped up because they are ND. While Duke maybe good the OOC schedule they play is embarrassing. They also pad the stats of the starting studs.

Not true, obvious even ignorant all at the same time.

Maryland looks like the team to beat.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ND is not good. They are always hyped up because they are ND. While Duke maybe good the OOC schedule they play is embarrassing. They also pad the stats of the starting studs.

Not true, obvious even ignorant all at the same time.

Maryland looks like the team to beat.

Nah, I will still take UNC but will say they do not look nearly as dominant as they did early last season which may be a good thing for them this season. Maryland will get the hype as they do not really play any of the top 5 teams but will run into one of them in the NCAA tournament and like NW last year they will lose in a marginally competitive game. You can all bash ND but they are still a borderline top 10 team . Couple of unrelated observations; I watched the mens UVA vs Cuse lax game and found it interesting in a game that got pretty chippy at times the men's UVA team let the shot clock expire on several of their possessions in the 4th quarter after it was clear the game was over. With some of the talk about these teams running up the scores maybe taking note of the teams that seem to have good sportsmanship is the way to go.
Way to early Tewaaraton watch, sorry to the CN crazies but right now the best attack player player is Tyrel(cuse) ,the best middy is Mastrianni(unc), the best defender is Trenchard9UNC) and no idea about goalie .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ND is not good. They are always hyped up because they are ND. While Duke maybe good the OOC schedule they play is embarrassing. They also pad the stats of the starting studs.

Not true, obvious even ignorant all at the same time.

Maryland looks like the team to beat.

Nah, I will still take UNC but will say they do not look nearly as dominant as they did early last season which may be a good thing for them this season. Maryland will get the hype as they do not really play any of the top 5 teams but will run into one of them in the NCAA tournament and like NW last year they will lose in a marginally competitive game. You can all bash ND but they are still a borderline top 10 team . Couple of unrelated observations; I watched the mens UVA vs Cuse lax game and found it interesting in a game that got pretty chippy at times the men's UVA team let the shot clock expire on several of their possessions in the 4th quarter after it was clear the game was over. With some of the talk about these teams running up the scores maybe taking note of the teams that seem to have good sportsmanship is the way to go.
Way to early Tewaaraton watch, sorry to the CN crazies but right now the best attack player player is Tyrel(cuse) ,the best middy is Mastrianni(unc), the best defender is Trenchard9UNC) and no idea about goalie .

Syracuse not Top 5, Stony Brook Not Top 5... Long Season we will see who finishes the year Top 5, 10, 15, 20. Final Four unless seeding has them play before the final four Maryland, UNC, BC and ???

Virginia and ND both probably a little higher than their ranking. Not sure Duke is Top 10. Loyola did not look very good vs Towson who is struggling. Is Michigan for real? Maybe. Northwestern will be in the mix come Tournament time. Transfers making an impact for MD, Terp's look very good. Princeton looks like the only Ivy that came back ready to play, maybe Penn will pick it up after close loss to Hopkins, two years is a long time off. Denver quietly looking to crack the Top 10. Can Florida turn it around vs Stony Brook this week? That game should be telling, is it a must will for Stony Brook? They do not have many other opportunities to get quality wins. Can Rutgers, Drexel, Vandi, Richmond, USC and Jacksonville hang around all year?

Crazy to think that UVA and ND could possibly not make the Tournament.

What is the deal this year with the NCAA tournament?

How many AQ's and how many at large bids for 2022?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ND is not good. They are always hyped up because they are ND. While Duke maybe good the OOC schedule they play is embarrassing. They also pad the stats of the starting studs.

Not true, obvious even ignorant all at the same time.

Maryland looks like the team to beat.

Nah, I will still take UNC but will say they do not look nearly as dominant as they did early last season which may be a good thing for them this season. Maryland will get the hype as they do not really play any of the top 5 teams but will run into one of them in the NCAA tournament and like NW last year they will lose in a marginally competitive game. You can all bash ND but they are still a borderline top 10 team . Couple of unrelated observations; I watched the mens UVA vs Cuse lax game and found it interesting in a game that got pretty chippy at times the men's UVA team let the shot clock expire on several of their possessions in the 4th quarter after it was clear the game was over. With some of the talk about these teams running up the scores maybe taking note of the teams that seem to have good sportsmanship is the way to go.
Way to early Tewaaraton watch, sorry to the CN crazies but right now the best attack player player is Tyrel(cuse) ,the best middy is Mastrianni(unc), the best defender is Trenchard9UNC) and no idea about goalie .

Syracuse not Top 5, Stony Brook Not Top 5... Long Season we will see who finishes the year Top 5, 10, 15, 20. Final Four unless seeding has them play before the final four Maryland, UNC, BC and ???

Virginia and ND both probably a little higher than their ranking. Not sure Duke is Top 10. Loyola did not look very good vs Towson who is struggling. Is Michigan for real? Maybe. Northwestern will be in the mix come Tournament time. Transfers making an impact for MD, Terp's look very good. Princeton looks like the only Ivy that came back ready to play, maybe Penn will pick it up after close loss to Hopkins, two years is a long time off. Denver quietly looking to crack the Top 10. Can Florida turn it around vs Stony Brook this week? That game should be telling, is it a must will for Stony Brook? They do not have many other opportunities to get quality wins. Can Rutgers, Drexel, Vandi, Richmond, USC and Jacksonville hang around all year?

Crazy to think that UVA and ND could possibly not make the Tournament.

What is the deal this year with the NCAA tournament?

How many AQ's and how many at large bids for 2022?

Also if anyone knows what is the minimum win percentage a team needs to be considered for an at large bid , is it .500 or over .500.
Stick checks to the body and clawing with checks towards the body is out of control in womens lacrosse. Just remove the rule check towards the body as a rule Us lacrosse so I no one has to worry about . Also so it can be done on both ends of the field. Offense, defense , rides etc…
ND doesn’t deserve to make tournament. Shocked that people still think they are a top team.
Syracuse at Northwestern today 4:00pm should be a good game. Northwestern 17 - 14.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ND doesn’t deserve to make tournament. Shocked that people still think they are a top team.

Such an ignorant statement, why would you say that? They have played 5 games. What teams do you believe are stronger than Notre Dame that are not ranked?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ND doesn’t deserve to make tournament. Shocked that people still think they are a top team.

26 teams make the tournament only way ND doesn’t make it is if they are under 500 IMO
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ND doesn’t deserve to make tournament. Shocked that people still think they are a top team.

26 teams make the tournament only way ND doesn’t make it is if they are under 500 IMO

Where did you get “26 Teams make the Tournament”?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ND doesn’t deserve to make tournament. Shocked that people still think they are a top team.

26 teams make the tournament only way ND doesn’t make it is if they are under 500 IMO

Where did you get “26 Teams make the Tournament”?

2019 Bracket. 26 Teams:
https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/lacrosse-women/d1/2019

2021 Bracket 29 Teams (if my counting is correct) - Not sure if the extra teams were due to Covid or not:
https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/lacrosse-women/d1/2021

I'd guess 2022 will have a minimum of 26 teams, but don't know for a fact.
Women’s Division I Poll 2-28-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Boston College (5 - 0) 600 (24) 1
2 North Carolina (5 - 0) 572 2
3 Syracuse (4 - 0) 552 3
4 Maryland (3 - 0) 511 5
5 Stony Brook (1 - 1) 506 4
6 Northwestern (3 - 1) 478 6
7 Duke (5 - 0) 422 8
8 Michigan (5 - 0) 420 10
9 Loyola (2 - 0) 393 9
10 Princeton (2 - 0) 392 11
11 Florida (1 - 2) 354 7
12 Denver (4 - 0) 352 12
13 Virginia (3 - 3) 305 13
14 Rutgers (4 - 0) 284 14
15 Drexel (3 - 0) 237 15
16 Notre Dame (1 - 4) 174 17
16 Vanderbilt (3 - 0) 174 22
18 Temple (3 - 1) 160 20
19 USC (3 - 0) 139 23
20 Johns Hopkins (2 - 1) 138 24
21 James Madison (2 - 2) 131 18
22 Jacksonville (2 - 2) 121 21
23 Richmond (4 - 0) 90 NR
24 Penn (1 - 1) 84 19
25 Stanford (1 - 4) 55 16
RV Colorado, UConn, UMass, Penn State, Arizona State
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ND doesn’t deserve to make tournament. Shocked that people still think they are a top team.

26 teams make the tournament only way ND doesn’t make it is if they are under 500 IMO

Where did you get “26 Teams make the Tournament”?

2019 Bracket. 26 Teams:
https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/lacrosse-women/d1/2019

2021 Bracket 29 Teams (if my counting is correct) - Not sure if the extra teams were due to Covid or not:
https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/lacrosse-women/d1/2021

I'd guess 2022 will have a minimum of 26 teams, but don't know for a fact.

Agree, minimum of 26 but very difficult to find updated info... The NCAA website only has info on the 2021 Tournament. With new programs being added every year and new conferences being formed and teams moving conferences it's tough to know how The 2022 Tournament will be run.

How many teams?
How many Automatic Bids?
How many at large bids?
Women’s Division II Poll 2-28-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Lindenwood (4 - 0) 619 (20) 1
2 UIndy (2 - 0) 594 (3) 2
3 Queens (4 - 0) 581 (2) 3
4 Le Moyne (0 - 0) 555 4
5 West Chester (1 - 0) 494 6
6 East Stroudsburg (0 - 0) 460 5
6 Florida Southern (1 - 1) 460 7
8 Rollins (3 - 0) 439 8
9 Adelphi (1 - 0) 381 11
10 Grand Valley State (2 - 0) 380 14
11 Roberts Wesleyan (1 - 0) 360 10
12 Regis (CO) (2 - 0) 357 9
13 Tampa (1 - 1) 322 11
14 Mercy (1 - 0) 279 15
15 Bentley (0 - 0) 246 16
16 Limestone (3 - 2) 217 13
17 Seton Hill (1 - 0) 208 18
18 Pace (1 - 0) 204 19
19 Mount Olive (2 - 1) 152 17
20 New Haven (0 - 0) 123 22
20 Saint Anselm (0 - 0) 123 21
22 Saint Leo (1 - 3) 114 23
23 Assumption (0 - 1) 98 20
24 Embry-Riddle (3 - 0) 90 NR
25 Davenport (2 - 0) 56 25
RV Lander, Colorado Mesa, Concordia-St. Paul, Mercyhurst, Wingate
Women’s Division III Poll 2-28-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Salisbury (3 - 0) 650 (26) 1
2 Tufts (0 - 0) 602 2
3 Washington and Lee (2 - 1) 572 5
4 St. John Fisher (0 - 0) 555 3
5 Ithaca (0 - 0) 522 4
6 Franklin & Marshall (1 - 1) 509 7
7 Gettysburg (3 - 0) 498 9
8 William Smith (1 - 0) 473 6
9 Middlebury (0 - 0) 431 11
10 TCNJ (0 - 0) 421 10
11 Messiah (2 - 1) 399 8
12 Cortland (0 - 0) 341 13
13 Denison (1 - 1) 334 12
14 Catholic (1 - 1) 312 14
15 Colby (0 - 0) 289 15
16 Brockport (0 - 0) 248 16
17 Wesleyan (CT) (0 - 0) 246 17
18 York (0 - 0) 225 18
19 Amherst (0 - 0) 183 19
20 Bowdoin (0 - 0) 147 21
21 Trinity (0 - 0) 129 20
22 Geneseo (0 - 0) 98 22
23 Christopher Newport (2 - 0) 81 24
24 Hamilton (0 - 0) 72 23
25 Chicago (1 - 0) 50 25
RV Williams, Haverford, Washington College, Rhodes, Mary Washington
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Women’s Division I Poll 2-28-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Boston College (5 - 0) 600 (24) 1
2 North Carolina (5 - 0) 572 2
3 Syracuse (4 - 0) 552 3
4 Maryland (3 - 0) 511 5
5 Stony Brook (1 - 1) 506 4
6 Northwestern (3 - 1) 478 6
7 Duke (5 - 0) 422 8
8 Michigan (5 - 0) 420 10
9 Loyola (2 - 0) 393 9
10 Princeton (2 - 0) 392 11
11 Florida (1 - 2) 354 7
12 Denver (4 - 0) 352 12
13 Virginia (3 - 3) 305 13
14 Rutgers (4 - 0) 284 14
15 Drexel (3 - 0) 237 15
16 Notre Dame (1 - 4) 174 17
16 Vanderbilt (3 - 0) 174 22
18 Temple (3 - 1) 160 20
19 USC (3 - 0) 139 23
20 Johns Hopkins (2 - 1) 138 24
21 James Madison (2 - 2) 131 18
22 Jacksonville (2 - 2) 121 21
23 Richmond (4 - 0) 90 NR
24 Penn (1 - 1) 84 19
25 Stanford (1 - 4) 55 16
RV Colorado, UConn, UMass, Penn State, Arizona State

Maryland has looked stronger than BC, North Carolina and Syracuse.
Stony Brook has not earned a top 5 ranking.
We will find out tonight how Northwestern and Syracuse stack up.
Duke has no business being Top 10 at this point.
Michigan could be a little higher.
Not sure Loyola is Top 10.
Princeton like Michigan could be higher.
Division I 2-22-2022

Offensive Player of the Week

Megan Carney – Syracuse University

Carney led the Orange with seven points in a 12-11 win against No. 4 Stony Brook. After the Seawolves took a 9-8 lead in the third quarter, Carney scored a goal and then assisted on another to spark a 4-0 Syracuse scoring run that gave the Orange the lead for good. The senior attacker also added two ground balls to the winning effort. Syracuse was ranked third in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division I Poll this week.

Defensive Player of the Week

Sam Fish – Princeton University

Fish made 15 saves, one off her career high, in Princeton's 17-11 win at No. 10 Virginia to open the 2022 season in Princeton's first game since March of 2020. The senior goalkeeper made four saves in each of the first three quarters and stopped three shots in the fourth. Fish was also 3-for-5 in stopping free position attempts from the Cavaliers and added a ground ball to help the Tigers jump to No. 11 in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division I Poll this week.
Division II 2-22-2022

Offensive Player of the Week

Molly Bursinger – Grand Valley State University

Bursinger helped lead the No. 14 Lakers to two wins this week over No. 23 Saint Leo and No. 11 Tampa. GVSU defeated St. Leo 18-11 on Thursday and defeated Tampa 16-5 on Sunday. Bursinger finished the week with eight goals, and one assist, for a total of nine points this week. The junior midfielder connected on 8 of 10 shots, shooting a stellar 80% against the two ranked opponents. Bursinger also won 23 draw controls, picked up four ground balls, and forced two turnovers this week.

Defensive Player of the Week

Payton Romig – University of Indianapolis

Romig led the Greyhounds to a 2-0 week, earning wins over McKendree and Frostburg State. The graduate student midfielder grabbed 26 draw controls last week, becoming the NCAA career leader in the category, and added four ground balls, two caused turnovers, two goals and an assist to her stat line. UIndy was ranked second in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division II Preseason Poll.
Division III 2-22-2022

Offensive Player of the Week

Hanna Bishop – Washington and Lee University

Bishop totaled three goals and one assist to lead W&L to a 10-9 victory over seventh-ranked Franklin & Marshall on Saturday. The sophomore attacker added a ground ball and two caused turnovers for the Generals, who were ranked No. 5 in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division III Preseason Poll.

Defensive Player of the Week

Allie Doyle – Washington and Lee University

Doyle, a sophomore defender, totaled three caused turnovers and three ground balls in a 10-9 victory at seventh-ranked Franklin & Marshall on Saturday. She caused a turnover and picked up the ground ball with 50 seconds left in the fourth quarter, which led to fifth-ranked W&L's game-winning goal.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree, minimum of 26 but very difficult to find updated info... The NCAA website only has info on the 2021 Tournament. With new programs being added every year and new conferences being formed and teams moving conferences it's tough to know how The 2022 Tournament will be run.

How many teams?
How many Automatic Bids?
How many at large bids?

Ok, I was able to dig this up.
2022 NCAA Women's D1 Tournament you can search it online.
Cuse NU game did not disappoint. BUT the one defender on Cuse has to stop crying every two minutes. How embarrassing. She’s going to be a meme soon! Grow up!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse at Northwestern today 4:00pm should be a good game. Northwestern 17 - 14.

Pretty close :-).

Good game, didn’t think officiating was great. Very surprised that Northwestern didn’t call time out during 6-0 run in the 3rd. NU sloppy on offense.
The season is young and there is a lot of lacrosse still to be played but things will start to get interesting this week. While all games matter, there are some games this week that could influence who gets an at large bid, one of which was the
Syracuse vs Northwestern game which Northwestern won giving NU a quality out of conference win in the event that they do not win The B1G. Navy's win over Drexel today could also have at large implications depending on how both teams do the rest of the way.

Key game this week:

Virginia at Notre Dame
Stony Brook at Florida
Loyola at Penn
G-Town at Hopkins
Vandi at Colorado
UConn at UMass
Penn State at Loyola
Duke at Syracuse
Northwestern at North Carolina
Drexel at Hopkins

With Stony Brook and JMU not having the ability to qualify for an AQ it puts pressure on not only SBU and JMU but all of the teams from conferences that usually receive multiple at large bids (ACC, Big 10, Ivy, PAC ETC...).
Obviously quality wins will play a role but so will Strength of Schedule. If teams like UVA and ND can find a way to grab a quality win or two I would imagine that they would get the bid over SBU or JMU if those tieams only have 1 or 2 quality wins as well because they play a much more difficult schedule. JMU and Stony Brook have to really hope that all of the favorites win their conference championships because that could affect them as well. Should be fun to watch it all play out.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The season is young and there is a lot of lacrosse still to be played but things will start to get interesting this week. While all games matter, there are some games this week that could influence who gets an at large bid, one of which was the
Syracuse vs Northwestern game which Northwestern won giving NU a quality out of conference win in the event that they do not win The B1G. Navy's win over Drexel today could also have at large implications depending on how both teams do the rest of the way.

Key game this week:

Virginia at Notre Dame
Stony Brook at Florida
Loyola at Penn
G-Town at Hopkins
Vandi at Colorado
UConn at UMass
Penn State at Loyola
Duke at Syracuse
Northwestern at North Carolina
Drexel at Hopkins

With Stony Brook and JMU not having the ability to qualify for an AQ it puts pressure on not only SBU and JMU but all of the teams from conferences that usually receive multiple at large bids (ACC, Big 10, Ivy, PAC ETC...).
Obviously quality wins will play a role but so will Strength of Schedule. If teams like UVA and ND can find a way to grab a quality win or two I would imagine that they would get the bid over SBU or JMU if those tieams only have 1 or 2 quality wins as well because they play a much more difficult schedule. JMU and Stony Brook have to really hope that all of the favorites win their conference championships because that could affect them as well. Should be fun to watch it all play out.

Jmu has a bad loss in resume losing to VT who is unranked so they will need to overcome that
Division I 3-1-2022

Offensive Player of the Week

Aurora Cordingley – University of Maryland

Cordingley led the offense in Maryland's win over No. 7 Florida, totaling a career-high 10 points on four goals and a career-best six assists. The attacker’s 10 points are the sixth-most in school history and her six assists are the second-most in school history. With an assist on an Eloise Clevenger goal to end the second quarter, Cordingley recorded her 200th career point (129 goals, 74 assists). The graduate student now leads the NCAA in points per game with seven (13 goals, 8 assists) and leads the Big Ten in goals per game with 4.33. The Terps were ranked No. 4 in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division I Poll this week.

Defensive Player of the Week

Kailee Lammers – University of Denver

Lammers led a defensive unit that limited Ohio State to just one goal in the first three quarters, including scoreless first and third quarters. The Pioneers limited OSU to just eight shots on goal en route to a 12-5 win at home. The senior defender's five caused turnovers were a career high, and she also contributed four ground balls to the winning cause. Denver is 4-0 and ranked No. 12 in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division I Poll this week.
Division II 3-1-2022

Offensive Player of the Week

Mickey Burnett – Lander University

Burnett had a career night last Wednesday, helping the Bearcats defeat No. 10 Limestone 16-15 for the program's first win over a ranked opponent. The freshman finished the game with a career-high seven goals, two ground balls, and one caused turnover. Her seven goals tied the school record for goals in a game. Lander (5-1) received votes in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division II Poll this week.

Defensive Player of the Week

Micayla Brady – Mercy College

Brady led a Mavericks defense that held Lock Haven to just 12 shots on goal in a 14-7 win in their opener. The senior defender caused a game-high six turnovers and added four draw controls and three ground balls to her stat line. Brady recorded her 100th career caused turnover, becoming the fourth Maverick in program history to reach that number. At 1-0, Mercy is ranked No. 14 in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division II Poll this week.
Division III 3-1-2022

Offensive Player of the Week

Erin Scannell – Salisbury University

Scannell paced the offense with a game-high three goals and two assists as top-ranked Salisbury took down No. 5 Washington and Lee. The junior attacker, a second-team All-Region selection in 2021, now leads the team in points with 11. The No. 1 Sea Gulls face Rowan at home this afternoon.

Defensive Player of the Week

Caroline McKenna – Salisbury University

McKenna led the Sea Gulls to a 7-6 win over Washington and Lee last week. The senior posted a game-high four caused turnovers and four ground balls as well as a draw control to lead a defensive unit that held W&L to its lowest goal output since 2019. Salisbury (3-0) is ranked No. 1 in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division III Poll.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse at Northwestern today 4:00pm should be a good game. Northwestern 17 - 14.

Pretty close :-).

Good game, didn’t think officiating was great. Very surprised that Northwestern didn’t call time out during 6-0 run in the 3rd. NU sloppy on offense.

Need to play better defense if you want to have a chance to win a championship, don't think either of these teams have a realistic chance.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse at Northwestern today 4:00pm should be a good game. Northwestern 17 - 14.

Pretty close :-).

Good game, didn’t think officiating was great. Very surprised that Northwestern didn’t call time out during 6-0 run in the 3rd. NU sloppy on offense.

Need to play better defense if you want to have a chance to win a championship, don't think either of these teams have a realistic chance.

Nobody is wining a Championship without exceptional team defense and goalie play.
No fan of ND, but they lost by a goal to NW and Cuse - if you don't think they are a legit 4-6 ranked team,
your data analysis skills are pretty weak.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No fan of ND, but they lost by a goal to NW and Cuse - if you don't think they are a legit 4-6 ranked team,
your data analysis skills are pretty weak.
True, but you can’t lose to Michigan at home and Vanderbilt.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No fan of ND, but they lost by a goal to NW and Cuse - if you don't think they are a legit 4-6 ranked team,
your data analysis skills are pretty weak.
True, but you can’t lose to Michigan at home and Vanderbilt.

As of now Michigan is Top 10…. No shame in that loss. We do not know how good Vanderbilt is.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No fan of ND, but they lost by a goal to NW and Cuse - if you don't think they are a legit 4-6 ranked team,
your data analysis skills are pretty weak.

You are clearly clueless
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No fan of ND, but they lost by a goal to NW and Cuse - if you don't think they are a legit 4-6 ranked team,
your data analysis skills are pretty weak.
True, but you can’t lose to Michigan at home and Vanderbilt.

As of now Michigan is Top 10…. No shame in that loss. We do not know how good Vanderbilt is.

ND losses to Cuse, NW and Michigan are more impressive than Dukes wins against Wofford, ECU, William & Mary and Gardner and Webb.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
No fan of ND, but they lost by a goal to NW and Cuse - if you don't think they are a legit 4-6 ranked team,
your data analysis skills are pretty weak.

You are clearly clueless

Why would you call them clueless? Where would you rank Notre Dame? Current Rankings as of 2/28. If Notre Dame is really # 20 then maybe Northwestern, Syracuse and Stony Brook should be 17, 18 and 19. Northwestern was blown out by 9 goals against Boston College (how good are they). Syracuse struggled with Stanford who is not ranked in the Top 20 and squeaked by an unproven and over ranked Stony Brook team and lost to Northwestern. Northwestern needed overtime to beat Syracuse and Stony Brook as usual has not beaten a top team. Notre Dame, Northwestern, Syracuse and Stony Brook all should be ranked about the same based on their performance vs each other. So, should they be 17, 18, 19, 20 or should they be 4, 5, 6,7? At this point, based on their performance they should be 9,10,11,12. In any event, it really does not matter, the games will be played and the results will tell the story. My guess is that approximately 15 of these teams will be in the Top 20 at the end of the Season.


1 - Boston College

2 - North Carolina

3 - Syracuse

4 - Maryland

5 - Northwestern

6 - Stony Brook

7 - Duke

8 - Michigan

9 - Loyola

10 - Princeton

11 - Florida

12 - Denver

13 - Virginia

14 - Rutgers

15 - Drexel

16 - Vanderbilt

17 - Richmond

18 - USC

19 - Jacksonville

20 - Notre Dame
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No fan of ND, but they lost by a goal to NW and Cuse - if you don't think they are a legit 4-6 ranked team,
your data analysis skills are pretty weak.
True, but you can’t lose to Michigan at home and Vanderbilt.

As of now Michigan is Top 10…. No shame in that loss. We do not know how good Vanderbilt is.

ND losses to Cuse, NW and Michigan are more impressive than Dukes wins against Wofford, ECU, William & Mary and Gardner and Webb.

Here we go again with Duke, what's the matter? Did Duke not recruit your daughter? Did she not have the grades? I have no love for Duke but their overall schedule is more competitive than close to 100 teams. It will all come out in the wash, we will all see how Duke does when they play their ACC foes. BTW, I can't blame Duke, take a look at ND and Virginia, they are in jeopardy of not making the NCAA Tournament if they do not have a .500 record. Notre Dame at 20, Duke at 7, Stony Brook at 6, obviously the rankings do not reflect reality.
To the guy who just keeps responding to himself I suggest a hobby
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here we go again with Duke, what's the matter? Did Duke not recruit your daughter? Did she not have the grades? I have no love for Duke but their overall schedule is more competitive than close to 100 teams. It will all come out in the wash, we will all see how Duke does when they play their ACC foes. BTW, I can't blame Duke, take a look at ND and Virginia, they are in jeopardy of not making the NCAA Tournament if they do not have a .500 record. Notre Dame at 20, Duke at 7, Stony Brook at 6, obviously the rankings do not reflect reality.

We get to see Duke and Cuse on Sunday so hopefully that can answer some questions... First real test for Duke. I've got the Orange 14-10.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here we go again with Duke, what's the matter? Did Duke not recruit your daughter? Did she not have the grades? I have no love for Duke but their overall schedule is more competitive than close to 100 teams. It will all come out in the wash, we will all see how Duke does when they play their ACC foes. BTW, I can't blame Duke, take a look at ND and Virginia, they are in jeopardy of not making the NCAA Tournament if they do not have a .500 record. Notre Dame at 20, Duke at 7, Stony Brook at 6, obviously the rankings do not reflect reality.

We get to see Duke and Cuse on Sunday so hopefully that can answer some questions... First real test for Duke. I've got the Orange 14-10.

I’ve got my popcorn ready for the beat down. Hopefully Cuse runs up the score on them!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here we go again with Duke, what's the matter? Did Duke not recruit your daughter? Did she not have the grades? I have no love for Duke but their overall schedule is more competitive than close to 100 teams. It will all come out in the wash, we will all see how Duke does when they play their ACC foes. BTW, I can't blame Duke, take a look at ND and Virginia, they are in jeopardy of not making the NCAA Tournament if they do not have a .500 record. Notre Dame at 20, Duke at 7, Stony Brook at 6, obviously the rankings do not reflect reality.

We get to see Duke and Cuse on Sunday so hopefully that can answer some questions... First real test for Duke. I've got the Orange 14-10.

I have not watched Duke but have watched Syracuse 3x…. Obviously Syracuse is a good team but certainly beatable. Not sure if Duke has the coaches or talent to do it. I think that SU will put up more than 14 and Duke will control the Draws , just not sure they will be able to out score The Orange… SU potent offense.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here we go again with Duke, what's the matter? Did Duke not recruit your daughter? Did she not have the grades? I have no love for Duke but their overall schedule is more competitive than close to 100 teams. It will all come out in the wash, we will all see how Duke does when they play their ACC foes. BTW, I can't blame Duke, take a look at ND and Virginia, they are in jeopardy of not making the NCAA Tournament if they do not have a .500 record. Notre Dame at 20, Duke at 7, Stony Brook at 6, obviously the rankings do not reflect reality.

We get to see Duke and Cuse on Sunday so hopefully that can answer some questions... First real test for Duke. I've got the Orange 14-10.

I have not watched Duke but have watched Syracuse 3x…. Obviously Syracuse is a good team but certainly beatable. Not sure if Duke has the coaches or talent to do it. I think that SU will put up more than 14 and Duke will control the Draws , just not sure they will be able to out score The Orange… SU potent offense.

Duke will not control draws. It won’t even be close. Overrated there too.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No fan of ND, but they lost by a goal to NW and Cuse - if you don't think they are a legit 4-6 ranked team,
your data analysis skills are pretty weak.
True, but you can’t lose to Michigan at home and Vanderbilt.

As of now Michigan is Top 10…. No shame in that loss. We do not know how good Vanderbilt is.

ND losses to Cuse, NW and Michigan are more impressive than Dukes wins against Wofford, ECU, William & Mary and Gardner and Webb.

Here we go again with Duke, what's the matter? Did Duke not recruit your daughter? Did she not have the grades? I have no love for Duke but their overall schedule is more competitive than close to 100 teams. It will all come out in the wash, we will all see how Duke does when they play their ACC foes. BTW, I can't blame Duke, take a look at ND and Virginia, they are in jeopardy of not making the NCAA Tournament if they do not have a .500 record. Notre Dame at 20, Duke at 7, Stony Brook at 6, obviously the rankings do not reflect reality.

You are apparently a little dense. ND losses have been more impressive than Dukes wins as at least it shows that ND can play with some of the top teams while Dukes wins really tell us nothing. The reason people go after Duke is that they want to be considered a top program but in the games they actually get to select an opponent they take the easy path, people respect the programs that challenge themselves. Its that simple but you show your ignorance when you comment about grades etc in a post comparing ND and Duke. I think the ND Cuse game will be very close as Cuse has shown themselves to be very vulnerable on the defensive side .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here we go again with Duke, what's the matter? Did Duke not recruit your daughter? Did she not have the grades? I have no love for Duke but their overall schedule is more competitive than close to 100 teams. It will all come out in the wash, we will all see how Duke does when they play their ACC foes. BTW, I can't blame Duke, take a look at ND and Virginia, they are in jeopardy of not making the NCAA Tournament if they do not have a .500 record. Notre Dame at 20, Duke at 7, Stony Brook at 6, obviously the rankings do not reflect reality.

We get to see Duke and Cuse on Sunday so hopefully that can answer some questions... First real test for Duke. I've got the Orange 14-10.

I have not watched Duke but have watched Syracuse 3x…. Obviously Syracuse is a good team but certainly beatable. Not sure if Duke has the coaches or talent to do it. I think that SU will put up more than 14 and Duke will control the Draws , just not sure they will be able to out score The Orange… SU potent offense.

Duke will not control draws. It won’t even be close. Overrated there too.

We will see, only time will tell.
Notre Dame has a must win against UVA this weekend. Important game for UVA as well, but they could survive a loss and still make the 500 mark to qualify for the playoffs. First opportunity to see where Duke is at against a battle tested Syracuse team. Northwestern continues with their brutal schedule matching-up with UNC. StonyBrook has an opportunity to beat a good Florida team this weekend followed by games against Northwestern and Hopkins next week. Hopkins gets a chance against a good Drexel team. Vanderbilt has an opportunity against a good Denver team to take another step forward. Should be a fun weekend of lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Notre Dame has a must win against UVA this weekend. Important game for UVA as well, but they could survive a loss and still make the 500 mark to qualify for the playoffs. First opportunity to see where Duke is at against a battle tested Syracuse team. Northwestern continues with their brutal schedule matching-up with UNC. StonyBrook has an opportunity to beat a good Florida team this weekend followed by games against Northwestern and Hopkins next week. Hopkins gets a chance against a good Drexel team. Vanderbilt has an opportunity against a good Denver team to take another step forward. Should be a fun weekend of lacrosse.

Notre Dame vs Virginia should be a good one. Not sure how good Florida is, they were blown out by 10 goals to Maryland and according to some of the experts on here Maryland isn't very good. Looks like a must win for Stony Brook because they can't afford a loss if Florida is not strong. Jury still out on The Dragons of Drexel, they just got beat soundly by a Navy squad that struggled with Mt. St Mary's and lost to St. Joseph's who is no powerhouse. Vanderbilt vs Denver will go a long way in helping the winner especially if both teams continue to do well. Can't see Northwestern beating UNC but you never know. Looking forward to a lot of good games.
SBU vs Florida is unwatchable , the flopping and the fouling , ruins the game .
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SBU vs Florida is unwatchable , the flopping and the fouling , ruins the game .

Are you the Florida dad I heard yelling flopper the entire second half? Were you seated next to the Florida mom yelling 3 seconds the entire second half? That made the live stream of the game unwatchable.
1 - Boston College: Handled Louisville 19-10. Still not sure they are better than UNC or MD.

2 - North Carolina: Convincing win over Northwestern 17-8. Deserving of Top 2 Ranking.

3 - Syracuse: Squeaked by Duke in come from behind win over Duke 18-16. Orange give up too many goals.

4 - Maryland: 19 - 4 over WM. Should move to the # 3 spot.

5 - Northwestern: Carolina too much for the Cats. Like everybody else in the top 10 not as good as BC,UNC and MD.

6 - Stony Brook: Squeaker over Florida 14 - 13. A win is a win, must beat Northwestern.

7 - Duke: Dropped close one to Syracuse. Obviously better than the Duke haters will admit...

8 - Michigan: Closer than expected over Central Michigan 17-13. Are they for real? Very Solid Team.

9 - Loyola: Solid win over PSU 18 - 9. Georgetown & Florida coming up...

10 - Princeton: Surprisingly close over Cornell 13 - 12. Surprising until I checked the Box Score, Cornell Goalie 18 saves kept it close.

Don't think we will see much movement in the Top 10.

Florida could switch with Denver.

Denver could move up one spot.

Virginia will drop a little.

Rutgers could move up.

Drexel will drop.

Vandy going to drop.

Richmond about the same.

No movement for USC.

Jacksonville same of jump a little.

Notre Dame will be Top 15.

Colorado, JMU, Hopkins, Temple and UConn all competitive and looking to move into the Top 20.

Anyone else?
As one of the duke haters, Have to admit Duke was much better than I thought. Offense moved the ball very well, especially in the 1st half. But still think it will be down hill from here.
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As one of the duke haters, Have to admit Duke was much better than I thought. Offense moved the ball very well, especially in the 1st half. But still think it will be down hill from here.

I have no idea how they will do the rest of the way but they better bring their “A” game. They will have the Draw covered and obviously can score goals but defense will determine how they do the rest of the way.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As one of the duke haters, Have to admit Duke was much better than I thought. Offense moved the ball very well, especially in the 1st half. But still think it will be down hill from here.

I have no idea how they will do the rest of the way but they better bring their “A” game. They will have the Draw covered and obviously can score goals but defense will determine how they do the rest of the way.

A loss is a loss…was no surprise, and many more to come. They need to learn the meaning of humble. Loved to see the energy of coach Traynor. Duke coach does not bring that energy.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here we go again with Duke, what's the matter? Did Duke not recruit your daughter? Did she not have the grades? I have no love for Duke but their overall schedule is more competitive than close to 100 teams. It will all come out in the wash, we will all see how Duke does when they play their ACC foes. BTW, I can't blame Duke, take a look at ND and Virginia, they are in jeopardy of not making the NCAA Tournament if they do not have a .500 record. Notre Dame at 20, Duke at 7, Stony Brook at 6, obviously the rankings do not reflect reality.

We get to see Duke and Cuse on Sunday so hopefully that can answer some questions... First real test for Duke. I've got the Orange 14-10.

I have not watched Duke but have watched Syracuse 3x…. Obviously Syracuse is a good team but certainly beatable. Not sure if Duke has the coaches or talent to do it. I think that SU will put up more than 14 and Duke will control the Draws , just not sure they will be able to out score The Orange… SU potent offense.

Duke will not control draws. It won’t even be close. Overrated there too.

Well, one of you knows what tyou are talking about. The other not so much, could not have been more wrong.
[quote=Anonymous]1 - Boston College: Handled Louisville 19-10. Still not sure they are better than UNC or MD.

2 - North Carolina: Convincing win over Northwestern 17-8. Deserving of Top 2 Ranking.

3 - Syracuse: Squeaked by Duke in come from behind win over Duke 18-16. Orange give up too many goals.

4 - Maryland: 19 - 4 over WM. Should move to the # 3 spot.

5 - Northwestern: Carolina too much for the Cats. Like everybody else in the top 10 not as good as BC,UNC and MD.

6 - Stony Brook: Squeaker over Florida 14 - 13. A win is a win, must beat Northwestern.

7 - Duke: Dropped close one to Syracuse. Obviously better than the Duke haters will admit...

8 - Michigan: Closer than expected over Central Michigan 17-13. Are they for real? Very Solid Team.

9 - Loyola: Solid win over PSU 18 - 9. Georgetown & Florida coming up...

10 - Princeton: Surprisingly close over Cornell 13 - 12. Surprising until I checked the Box Score, Cornell Goalie 18 saves kept it close.

Don't think we will see much movement in the Top 10.

Florida could switch with Denver.

Denver could move up one spot.

Virginia will drop a little.

Rutgers could move up.

Drexel will drop.

Vandy going to drop.

Richmond about the same.

No movement for USC.

Jacksonville same of jump a little.

Notre Dame will be Top 15.

Colorado, JMU, Hopkins, Temple and UConn all competitive and looking to move into the Top 20.

Anyone else?[/quote


So it is participation trophy time for Duke? Let's recognized them for blowing a 7 goal lead and being outscored 16-7 during that stretch? It is simple, win a game against a competitive opponent. Duke is the only team ranked in the top 10 without a top 20 win this season. They have a lot of talent, several All-Americans in my view. I think their weak schedule hurt them yesterday. First time all season they played a tough opponent and their starters had to work for 60 minutes. Get ready for more of the same, next two weeks are four more opponents not ranked in the top 20 with Pitt, Penn, Louisville and Davidson. It is still possible Duke goes through the season without a top 20 win.
Boston College, North Carolina and Maryland have separated themselves from the pack. After that it's anyone's guess. Some non traditional teams making noise, Michigan, Denver, Rutgers all doing well. Syracuse, Northwestern, Stony Brook, Duke, Loyola, Princeton, Notre Dame Florida and Virginia will all be fighting to be the 4th Final Four Spot (probably a couple of others). Seeding will have a big impact during the tournament. Who will be lucky enough to not have to play UNC, Maryland or BC before the Final Four? There is a lot of Lacrosse to be played, It will be fun to watch it all play out.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]1 - Boston College: Handled Louisville 19-10. Still not sure they are better than UNC or MD.

2 - North Carolina: Convincing win over Northwestern 17-8. Deserving of Top 2 Ranking.

3 - Syracuse: Squeaked by Duke in come from behind win over Duke 18-16. Orange give up too many goals.

4 - Maryland: 19 - 4 over WM. Should move to the # 3 spot.

5 - Northwestern: Carolina too much for the Cats. Like everybody else in the top 10 not as good as BC,UNC and MD.

6 - Stony Brook: Squeaker over Florida 14 - 13. A win is a win, must beat Northwestern.

7 - Duke: Dropped close one to Syracuse. Obviously better than the Duke haters will admit...

8 - Michigan: Closer than expected over Central Michigan 17-13. Are they for real? Very Solid Team.

9 - Loyola: Solid win over PSU 18 - 9. Georgetown & Florida coming up...

10 - Princeton: Surprisingly close over Cornell 13 - 12. Surprising until I checked the Box Score, Cornell Goalie 18 saves kept it close.

Don't think we will see much movement in the Top 10.

Florida could switch with Denver.

Denver could move up one spot.

Virginia will drop a little.

Rutgers could move up.

Drexel will drop.

Vandy going to drop.

Richmond about the same.

No movement for USC.

Jacksonville same of jump a little.

Notre Dame will be Top 15.

Colorado, JMU, Hopkins, Temple and UConn all competitive and looking to move into the Top 20.

Anyone else?[/quote


So it is participation trophy time for Duke? Let's recognized them for blowing a 7 goal lead and being outscored 16-7 during that stretch? It is simple, win a game against a competitive opponent. Duke is the only team ranked in the top 10 without a top 20 win this season. They have a lot of talent, several All-Americans in my view. I think their weak schedule hurt them yesterday. First time all season they played a tough opponent and their starters had to work for 60 minutes. Get ready for more of the same, next two weeks are four more opponents not ranked in the top 20 with Pitt, Penn, Louisville and Davidson. It is still possible Duke goes through the season without a top 20 win.

It is still possible that they make the Final Four... Funny how the haters want to move the goal post... What happened to the smack down, what happened to the blow out? Very funny listening to the know nothings. Duke is in the same boat as 10 - 15 other teams, not as good as the top 3 but but better than all of the rest...
Some good weekday games this week.

Princeton @ USC.... Two days rest and a cross country flight could affect Princeton.
Florida @ Liberty..... Will tell us if Liberty is ready for prime time.
JMU @ PSU...... Must win for both teams.
Penn with the long trip to Drexel..... Neither in the Top 20, Both could use the win.
Richmond @ Virginia.... Has to be a must win for Virginia.
Boston College @ Denver..... Short rest and three flights in 4 days, is it enough to help Denver?
Rutgers @ Temple... Two very solid teams.
Stony Brook @ Northwestern. Stony Brook flying for back to back games. Must win for SBU.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]1 - Boston College: Handled Louisville 19-10. Still not sure they are better than UNC or MD.

2 - North Carolina: Convincing win over Northwestern 17-8. Deserving of Top 2 Ranking.

3 - Syracuse: Squeaked by Duke in come from behind win over Duke 18-16. Orange give up too many goals.

4 - Maryland: 19 - 4 over WM. Should move to the # 3 spot.

5 - Northwestern: Carolina too much for the Cats. Like everybody else in the top 10 not as good as BC,UNC and MD.

6 - Stony Brook: Squeaker over Florida 14 - 13. A win is a win, must beat Northwestern.

7 - Duke: Dropped close one to Syracuse. Obviously better than the Duke haters will admit...

8 - Michigan: Closer than expected over Central Michigan 17-13. Are they for real? Very Solid Team.

9 - Loyola: Solid win over PSU 18 - 9. Georgetown & Florida coming up...

10 - Princeton: Surprisingly close over Cornell 13 - 12. Surprising until I checked the Box Score, Cornell Goalie 18 saves kept it close.

Don't think we will see much movement in the Top 10.

Florida could switch with Denver.

Denver could move up one spot.

Virginia will drop a little.

Rutgers could move up.

Drexel will drop.

Vandy going to drop.

Richmond about the same.

No movement for USC.

Jacksonville same of jump a little.

Notre Dame will be Top 15.

Colorado, JMU, Hopkins, Temple and UConn all competitive and looking to move into the Top 20.

Anyone else?[/quote


So it is participation trophy time for Duke? Let's recognized them for blowing a 7 goal lead and being outscored 16-7 during that stretch? It is simple, win a game against a competitive opponent. Duke is the only team ranked in the top 10 without a top 20 win this season. They have a lot of talent, several All-Americans in my view. I think their weak schedule hurt them yesterday. First time all season they played a tough opponent and their starters had to work for 60 minutes. Get ready for more of the same, next two weeks are four more opponents not ranked in the top 20 with Pitt, Penn, Louisville and Davidson. It is still possible Duke goes through the season without a top 20 win.

It is still possible that they make the Final Four... Funny how the haters want to move the goal post... What happened to the smack down, what happened to the blow out? Very funny listening to the know nothings. Duke is in the same boat as 10 - 15 other teams, not as good as the top 3 but but better than all of the rest...

No goal posts moved from my points which have been consistent from day one and it hurt them this weekend as they were not prepared to go a full 60 minutes against a quality opponent. Play more competitive teams and do not have your studs run up stats against clearly inferior opponents.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]1 - Boston College: Handled Louisville 19-10. Still not sure they are better than UNC or MD.

2 - North Carolina: Convincing win over Northwestern 17-8. Deserving of Top 2 Ranking.

3 - Syracuse: Squeaked by Duke in come from behind win over Duke 18-16. Orange give up too many goals.

4 - Maryland: 19 - 4 over WM. Should move to the # 3 spot.

5 - Northwestern: Carolina too much for the Cats. Like everybody else in the top 10 not as good as BC,UNC and MD.

6 - Stony Brook: Squeaker over Florida 14 - 13. A win is a win, must beat Northwestern.

7 - Duke: Dropped close one to Syracuse. Obviously better than the Duke haters will admit...

8 - Michigan: Closer than expected over Central Michigan 17-13. Are they for real? Very Solid Team.

9 - Loyola: Solid win over PSU 18 - 9. Georgetown & Florida coming up...

10 - Princeton: Surprisingly close over Cornell 13 - 12. Surprising until I checked the Box Score, Cornell Goalie 18 saves kept it close.

Don't think we will see much movement in the Top 10.

Florida could switch with Denver.

Denver could move up one spot.

Virginia will drop a little.

Rutgers could move up.

Drexel will drop.

Vandy going to drop.

Richmond about the same.

No movement for USC.

Jacksonville same of jump a little.

Notre Dame will be Top 15.

Colorado, JMU, Hopkins, Temple and UConn all competitive and looking to move into the Top 20.

Anyone else?[/quote


So it is participation trophy time for Duke? Let's recognized them for blowing a 7 goal lead and being outscored 16-7 during that stretch? It is simple, win a game against a competitive opponent. Duke is the only team ranked in the top 10 without a top 20 win this season. They have a lot of talent, several All-Americans in my view. I think their weak schedule hurt them yesterday. First time all season they played a tough opponent and their starters had to work for 60 minutes. Get ready for more of the same, next two weeks are four more opponents not ranked in the top 20 with Pitt, Penn, Louisville and Davidson. It is still possible Duke goes through the season without a top 20 win.

It is still possible that they make the Final Four... Funny how the haters want to move the goal post... What happened to the smack down, what happened to the blow out? Very funny listening to the know nothings. Duke is in the same boat as 10 - 15 other teams, not as good as the top 3 but but better than all of the rest...

No goal posts moved from my points which have been consistent from day one and it hurt them this weekend as they were not prepared to go a full 60 minutes against a quality opponent. Play more competitive teams and do not have your studs run up stats against clearly inferior opponents.

Oh please, give it a rest you are distorting reality, it was a 1 goal game with 22 seconds left on the clock. They lost but it was a far cry from the smack down that many on here were predicting.

No fan of the week schedule and I agree that playing well over matched teams will not help any team.
Women’s Division I Lacrosse Poll 3/7/2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Boston College (6 - 0) 600 (24) 1
2 North Carolina (6 - 0) 576 2
3 Syracuse (5 - 1) 527 3
4 Maryland (5 - 0) 513 4
5 Northwestern (4 - 2) 508 6
6 Stony Brook (2 - 1) 469 5
7 Duke (6 - 1) 446 7
8 Michigan (7 - 0) 405 8
9 Loyola (4 - 0) 396 9
10 Princeton (3 - 0) 375 10
11 Denver (6 - 0) 370 12
12 Florida (1 - 3) 345 11
13 Rutgers (6 - 0) 299 14
14 Virginia (3 - 4) 251 13
15 Notre Dame (2 - 4) 245 16
16 Johns Hopkins (4 - 1) 214 20
17 USC (3 - 0) 177 19
18 Temple (5 - 1) 174 18
19 Vanderbilt (3 - 2) 166 16
20 Jacksonville (3 - 2) 136 22
21 James Madison (3 - 2) 129 21
22 Richmond (5 - 0) 127 23
23 Colorado (5 - 0) 112 NR
24 Drexel (3 - 2) 75 15
25 Navy (5 - 1) 38 NR
RV UConn, Penn, Stanford, Yale, Harvard
Women’s Division II Poll 3/7/2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Le Moyne (2 - 0) 702 (14) 4
2 UIndy (4 - 0) 693 (10) 2
3 Queens (5 - 0) 671 (4) 3
4 Lindenwood (4 - 1) 633 (1) 1
5 West Chester (1 - 0) 594 5
6 Florida Southern (3 - 1) 546 6
7 East Stroudsburg (2 - 0) 541 6
8 Rollins (4 - 0) 514 8
9 Adelphi (1 - 0) 498 9
10 Grand Valley State (3 - 1) 476 10
11 Regis (CO) (3 - 0) 435 12
12 Mercy (2 - 1) 378 14
13 Tampa (2 - 3) 351 13
14 Bentley (0 - 0) 320 15
15 Roberts Wesleyan (2 - 1) 289 11
16 Pace (2 - 0) 263 18
17 Embry-Riddle (5 - 0) 219 24
18 Seton Hill (2 - 1) 216 17
19 New Haven (1 - 0) 186 20
20 Limestone (3 - 3) 148 16
21 Assumption (2 - 1) 135 23
22 Saint Anselm (1 - 0) 133 20
23 Saint Leo (2 - 4) 127 22
24 Mount Olive (2 - 3) 97 19
25 Davenport (3 - 1) 63 25
RV Lander, Wingate, Concordia-St. Paul, Colorado Mesa, Saint Rose
Originally Posted by baldbear
Women’s Division I Lacrosse Poll 3/7/2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Boston College (6 - 0) 600 (24) 1
2 North Carolina (6 - 0) 576 2
3 Syracuse (5 - 1) 527 3
4 Maryland (5 - 0) 513 4
5 Northwestern (4 - 2) 508 6
6 Stony Brook (2 - 1) 469 5
7 Duke (6 - 1) 446 7
8 Michigan (7 - 0) 405 8
9 Loyola (4 - 0) 396 9
10 Princeton (3 - 0) 375 10
11 Denver (6 - 0) 370 12
12 Florida (1 - 3) 345 11
13 Rutgers (6 - 0) 299 14
14 Virginia (3 - 4) 251 13
15 Notre Dame (2 - 4) 245 16
16 Johns Hopkins (4 - 1) 214 20
17 USC (3 - 0) 177 19
18 Temple (5 - 1) 174 18
19 Vanderbilt (3 - 2) 166 16
20 Jacksonville (3 - 2) 136 22
21 James Madison (3 - 2) 129 21
22 Richmond (5 - 0) 127 23
23 Colorado (5 - 0) 112 NR
24 Drexel (3 - 2) 75 15
25 Navy (5 - 1) 38 NR
RV UConn, Penn, Stanford, Yale, Harvard

Maryland should be 3. Syracuse has done nothing to deserve the 3 spot. They should also be behind Northwestern.

Boston College
North Carolina
Maryland
Northwestern
Syracuse
Michigan
Stony Brook
Loyola
Princeton
Princeton
Duke
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Women’s Division I Lacrosse Poll 3/7/2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Boston College (6 - 0) 600 (24) 1
2 North Carolina (6 - 0) 576 2
3 Syracuse (5 - 1) 527 3
4 Maryland (5 - 0) 513 4
5 Northwestern (4 - 2) 508 6
6 Stony Brook (2 - 1) 469 5
7 Duke (6 - 1) 446 7
8 Michigan (7 - 0) 405 8
9 Loyola (4 - 0) 396 9
10 Princeton (3 - 0) 375 10
11 Denver (6 - 0) 370 12
12 Florida (1 - 3) 345 11
13 Rutgers (6 - 0) 299 14
14 Virginia (3 - 4) 251 13
15 Notre Dame (2 - 4) 245 16
16 Johns Hopkins (4 - 1) 214 20
17 USC (3 - 0) 177 19
18 Temple (5 - 1) 174 18
19 Vanderbilt (3 - 2) 166 16
20 Jacksonville (3 - 2) 136 22
21 James Madison (3 - 2) 129 21
22 Richmond (5 - 0) 127 23
23 Colorado (5 - 0) 112 NR
24 Drexel (3 - 2) 75 15
25 Navy (5 - 1) 38 NR
RV UConn, Penn, Stanford, Yale, Harvard

Maryland should be 3. Syracuse has done nothing to deserve the 3 spot. They should also be behind Northwestern.

Boston College
North Carolina
Maryland
Northwestern
Syracuse
Michigan
Stony Brook
Loyola
Princeton
Princeton
Duke

You could bump Michigan up ahead of Northwestern and Syracuse based on their YTD Performance, the handled ND better than SU or NU did.
Women’s Division III Lacrosse Poll 3/7/2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Salisbury (5 - 0) 700 (28) 1
2 Gettysburg (4 - 0) 638 7
3 Ithaca (2 - 0) 601 5
4 Washington and Lee (2 - 2) 597 3
5 Franklin & Marshall (2 - 1) 560 6
6 Middlebury (1 - 0) 532 9
7 William Smith (2 - 0) 520 8
8 Tufts (1 - 1) 499 2
9 Colby (1 - 0) 473 15
10 TCNJ (2 - 0) 452 10
11 Messiah (2 - 2) 352 11
12 Brockport (1 - 0) 333 16
13 St. John Fisher (0 - 1) 309 4
14 Catholic (2 - 1) 305 14
15 Wesleyan (CT) (1 - 0) 293 17
16 York (1 - 0) 277 18
17 Denison (1 - 2) 221 13
18 Bowdoin (0 - 1) 213 20
19 Trinity (1 - 0) 188 21
20 Hamilton (1 - 0) 175 24
21 Cortland (0 - 2) 159 12
22 Christopher Newport (3 - 0) 107 23
23 Amherst (0 - 1) 105 19
24 Washington College (1 - 2) 65 NR
24 Chicago (3 - 0) 65 25
RV Geneseo, Pomona-Pitzer, Stevenson, Clarkson, Williams
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Women’s Division I Lacrosse Poll 3/7/2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Boston College (6 - 0) 600 (24) 1
2 North Carolina (6 - 0) 576 2
3 Syracuse (5 - 1) 527 3
4 Maryland (5 - 0) 513 4
5 Northwestern (4 - 2) 508 6
6 Stony Brook (2 - 1) 469 5
7 Duke (6 - 1) 446 7
8 Michigan (7 - 0) 405 8
9 Loyola (4 - 0) 396 9
10 Princeton (3 - 0) 375 10
11 Denver (6 - 0) 370 12
12 Florida (1 - 3) 345 11
13 Rutgers (6 - 0) 299 14
14 Virginia (3 - 4) 251 13
15 Notre Dame (2 - 4) 245 16
16 Johns Hopkins (4 - 1) 214 20
17 USC (3 - 0) 177 19
18 Temple (5 - 1) 174 18
19 Vanderbilt (3 - 2) 166 16
20 Jacksonville (3 - 2) 136 22
21 James Madison (3 - 2) 129 21
22 Richmond (5 - 0) 127 23
23 Colorado (5 - 0) 112 NR
24 Drexel (3 - 2) 75 15
25 Navy (5 - 1) 38 NR
RV UConn, Penn, Stanford, Yale, Harvard

Maryland should be 3. Syracuse has done nothing to deserve the 3 spot. They should also be behind Northwestern.

Boston College
North Carolina
Maryland
Northwestern
Syracuse
Michigan
Stony Brook
Loyola
Princeton
Princeton
Duke

You could bump Michigan up ahead of Northwestern and Syracuse based on their YTD Performance, the handled ND better than SU or NU did.

I agree with Maryland, could see Northwestern ahead of Cuse, they will earn that with a win against Stony Book this week. To be fair, Cuse has beaten #6, #7 and #15.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Women’s Division I Lacrosse Poll 3/7/2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Boston College (6 - 0) 600 (24) 1
2 North Carolina (6 - 0) 576 2
3 Syracuse (5 - 1) 527 3
4 Maryland (5 - 0) 513 4
5 Northwestern (4 - 2) 508 6
6 Stony Brook (2 - 1) 469 5
7 Duke (6 - 1) 446 7
8 Michigan (7 - 0) 405 8
9 Loyola (4 - 0) 396 9
10 Princeton (3 - 0) 375 10
11 Denver (6 - 0) 370 12
12 Florida (1 - 3) 345 11
13 Rutgers (6 - 0) 299 14
14 Virginia (3 - 4) 251 13
15 Notre Dame (2 - 4) 245 16
16 Johns Hopkins (4 - 1) 214 20
17 USC (3 - 0) 177 19
18 Temple (5 - 1) 174 18
19 Vanderbilt (3 - 2) 166 16
20 Jacksonville (3 - 2) 136 22
21 James Madison (3 - 2) 129 21
22 Richmond (5 - 0) 127 23
23 Colorado (5 - 0) 112 NR
24 Drexel (3 - 2) 75 15
25 Navy (5 - 1) 38 NR
RV UConn, Penn, Stanford, Yale, Harvard

Maryland should be 3. Syracuse has done nothing to deserve the 3 spot. They should also be behind Northwestern.

Boston College
North Carolina
Maryland
Northwestern
Syracuse
Michigan
Stony Brook
Loyola
Princeton
Princeton
Duke

You could bump Michigan up ahead of Northwestern and Syracuse based on their YTD Performance, the handled ND better than SU or NU did.

I agree with Maryland, could see Northwestern ahead of Cuse, they will earn that with a win against Stony Book this week. To be fair, Cuse has beaten #6, #7 and #15.

Are they really 6 & 7? Time will tell. Cuse not doing anything this year, they allow too many goals against.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Women’s Division I Lacrosse Poll 3/7/2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Boston College (6 - 0) 600 (24) 1
2 North Carolina (6 - 0) 576 2
3 Syracuse (5 - 1) 527 3
4 Maryland (5 - 0) 513 4
5 Northwestern (4 - 2) 508 6
6 Stony Brook (2 - 1) 469 5
7 Duke (6 - 1) 446 7
8 Michigan (7 - 0) 405 8
9 Loyola (4 - 0) 396 9
10 Princeton (3 - 0) 375 10
11 Denver (6 - 0) 370 12
12 Florida (1 - 3) 345 11
13 Rutgers (6 - 0) 299 14
14 Virginia (3 - 4) 251 13
15 Notre Dame (2 - 4) 245 16
16 Johns Hopkins (4 - 1) 214 20
17 USC (3 - 0) 177 19
18 Temple (5 - 1) 174 18
19 Vanderbilt (3 - 2) 166 16
20 Jacksonville (3 - 2) 136 22
21 James Madison (3 - 2) 129 21
22 Richmond (5 - 0) 127 23
23 Colorado (5 - 0) 112 NR
24 Drexel (3 - 2) 75 15
25 Navy (5 - 1) 38 NR
RV UConn, Penn, Stanford, Yale, Harvard

Maryland should be 3. Syracuse has done nothing to deserve the 3 spot. They should also be behind Northwestern.

Boston College
North Carolina
Maryland
Northwestern
Syracuse
Michigan
Stony Brook
Loyola
Princeton
Princeton
Duke

You could bump Michigan up ahead of Northwestern and Syracuse based on their YTD Performance, the handled ND better than SU or NU did.

I agree with Maryland, could see Northwestern ahead of Cuse, they will earn that with a win against Stony Book this week. To be fair, Cuse has beaten #6, #7 and #15.

Predicting….

Northwestern 16 - Stony Brook 12

@ NU Thursday.
Division I Players of the Week

Offensive Player of the Week

Emily Hawryschuk – Syracuse University

Hawryschuk recorded a career-high nine points in an overtime loss to No. 6 Northwestern and followed that effort up with five points to help the Orange defeat No. 7 Duke last week. Hawryschuk, who missed most of the 2021 season with a knee injury, moved into a tie for fifth place on Syracuse's career points leader list (278) and climbed to fourth place in career goals (226). Syracuse is 5-1 and ranked No. 3 in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division I Poll this week.

Defensive Player of the Week

Sam Thacker – University of Denver

Thacker helped lead Denver to wins over UC Davis, 13-4, and No. 16 Vanderbilt, 10-6, last week. After producing four draw controls, four ground balls and causing five turnovers in Friday's win over UC Davis, the junior defender grabbed a career-high six ground balls, three draw controls and added three caused turnovers against the Commodores. With the wins, Denver improved to 6-0 and moved up to No. 11 in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division I Poll this week.
Division II Players of the Week

Offensive Player of the Week

Jessica Meneilly – Le Moyne College

Meneilly registered nine goals, including both game-winners, in Le Moyne's 2-0 week against top-15 opponents. She scored twice, including the game-winner with 10.6 seconds left, in a 10-9 come-from-behind victory over No. 14 Mercy on Wednesday. She then recorded a career-high seven goals (on seven shots) in an 18-13 win over top-ranked and defending national champion Lindenwood on Sunday. The 2-0 Dolphins have moved into the top in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division II Poll this week.

Defensive Player of the Week

Taylor Reich – Le Moyne College

Reich registered three caused turnovers and five ground balls in Le Moyne's two wins. The senior defender caused three turnovers and picked up three ground balls in the win over Mercy on Wednesday, then scooped up two ground balls in the victory over Lindenwood on Sunday. Le Moyne, ranked No. 1 in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division II Poll this week, will face second-ranked University of Indianapolis on Sunday.
Division III Players of the Week

Offensive Player of the Week

Jordan Basso – Gettysburg College

Basso recorded six points on three goals and three assists in a 13-12 win over third-ranked Washington and Lee on March 6. The sophomore attacker went 3-for-3 on free-position shots, grabbed three ground balls, one draw control, and caused two turnovers against the Generals. Gettysburg improved to 4-0 with the win, and are now ranked second in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division III Poll.

Defensive Player of the Week

Emily Podgorni – Colby College

Podgorni posted a .789 save percentage in the Mules’ 9-4 win over No. 2 Tufts last week. The senior netminder recorded 15 saves, including four in the fourth quarter, and led a defense that limited the Jumbos to two goals in each half and a 3-for-7 effort on free-position shots. Podgorni’s 15 saves tied a career high, and the four goals are the fewest scored by Tufts since 2015. The win vaulted Colby to No. 9 in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division III Poll this week.
A couple of interesting games on the docket today. Interested to see how Temple does against Rutgers. Can Richmond beat Virginia? Will Drexel get back on track vs. Penn and finally can Denver be competitive against BC?
Interested to see if Penn can pull it together against Drexel. Corbitt is a good coach but she doesn’t seem to have the players post pandemic.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A couple of interesting games on the docket today. Interested to see how Temple does against Rutgers. Can Richmond beat Virginia? Will Drexel get back on track vs. Penn and finally can Denver be competitive against BC?
my guess is all of the above will be competitive. Virginia needs the win. I will go with Penn. Very curious to see if Denver can give BC a run. I think Temple & Rutgers is a toss up. A lot of good games today. Can’t wait to see if SBU can upset Northwestern tomorrow. Good luck to all.
Not a good loss for JMU. And they have a tough schedule coming up. At this point and their schedule ahead, can't see them snagging an at large bid.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a good loss for JMU. And they have a tough schedule coming up. At this point and their schedule ahead, can't see them snagging an at large bid.

No such thing as a good loss when fighting for an at large bid. It hurts more because PSU (depending on how they finish the regular season) could be one of the teams JMU is competing with for one of the at large bids for. PSU now has the head to head win.
When trying to snag an at large bid quality wins are very important as is SOS. There will probably only be 2 maybe 3 ALB’s up for grabs. ACC, Big 10, Ivy always multi team conferences, CAA (with JMU) sometimes multi team, Patriot sometimes multi team, PAC sometimes multi team, I think most others usually 1 team.
Going to be interesting, teams on the bubble fighting for the last couple of at large bids have to hope that there are no upsets in conference playoffs.
I will take SBU over NW . Just feel like the dodging offense will struggle against the zone , yes they put in a bunch against Cuse zone but SBU goalie will make more than 2-3 saves. Draw seems even, goalies slight edge SBU, SBU better defense and Spallina will not let it be a run and gun game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I will take SBU over NW . Just feel like the dodging offense will struggle against the zone , yes they put in a bunch against Cuse zone but SBU goalie will make more than 2-3 saves. Draw seems even, goalies slight edge SBU, SBU better defense and Spallina will not let it be a run and gun game.

Should be a good game, more important for Stony Brook. I think if they win they lock up tournament spot.
Congrats to Virginia Tech, Notre Dame cannot find any consistency. Navy with a nice win over Hopkins in OT.
Pitt gave Duke everything they could handle and beat them in draws. StonyBrook over matched.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pitt gave Duke everything they could handle and beat them in draws. StonyBrook over matched.
The refs in the Duke game should be embarrassed of themselves . No dog in this fight but the calls were ridiculous
I agree with the refs. Terrible. They simply don’t know the rules.
-the draw you can’t move your sticks-that isn’t subjective.
-8M shot toeing the line- Not on or over it-that isn’t subjective.

It has become bad. I know there is huge shortage, and it isn’t easy but these non subjective calls that are easy
To see and make.
Duke/UPenn game no announcers. Pathetic for the ACC network.
Nice win by Denver over Michigan (a shame we did not get a full game result from them against BC). Notre Dame continues their Jekyll & Hyde year with a dominate win over Jacksonville. Looks like chalk from the rest of the weekend. Looking to the week ahead, Syracuse v. Virginia on Wed., see where Rutgers is at against Maryland on Sat., can Penn St. hang with Princeton on Sat. and the match-up of the year so far with BC v. UNC on Sun.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice win by Denver over Michigan (a shame we did not get a full game result from them against BC). Notre Dame continues their Jekyll & Hyde year with a dominate win over Jacksonville. Looks like chalk from the rest of the weekend. Looking to the week ahead, Syracuse v. Virginia on Wed., see where Rutgers is at against Maryland on Sat., can Penn St. hang with Princeton on Sat. and the match-up of the year so far with BC v. UNC on Sun.

Denver and Michigan are both pretty good. ND inconsistent but Jacksonville not very good. Syracuse and Virginia already played (SU 17 - UVA 11). Rutgers is good, Maryland is very good but you never know, that's why we play the games. Penn State a little up and down but should be able to hang with and possibly beat Princeton. UNC over BC by 5.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice win by Denver over Michigan (a shame we did not get a full game result from them against BC). Notre Dame continues their Jekyll & Hyde year with a dominate win over Jacksonville. Looks like chalk from the rest of the weekend. Looking to the week ahead, Syracuse v. Virginia on Wed., see where Rutgers is at against Maryland on Sat., can Penn St. hang with Princeton on Sat. and the match-up of the year so far with BC v. UNC on Sun.

Denver and Michigan are both pretty good. ND inconsistent but Jacksonville not very good. Syracuse and Virginia already played (SU 17 - UVA 11). Rutgers is good, Maryland is very good but you never know, that's why we play the games. Penn State a little up and down but should be able to hang with and possibly beat Princeton. UNC over BC by 5.

Yep, Syracuse v. Florida, my bad.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice win by Denver over Michigan (a shame we did not get a full game result from them against BC). Notre Dame continues their Jekyll & Hyde year with a dominate win over Jacksonville. Looks like chalk from the rest of the weekend. Looking to the week ahead, Syracuse v. Virginia on Wed., see where Rutgers is at against Maryland on Sat., can Penn St. hang with Princeton on Sat. and the match-up of the year so far with BC v. UNC on Sun.

Denver and Michigan are both pretty good. ND inconsistent but Jacksonville not very good. Syracuse and Virginia already played (SU 17 - UVA 11). Rutgers is good, Maryland is very good but you never know, that's why we play the games. Penn State a little up and down but should be able to hang with and possibly beat Princeton. UNC over BC by 5.

Yep, Syracuse v. Florida, my bad.

Going with…

Syracuse 17 Florida 10
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice win by Denver over Michigan (a shame we did not get a full game result from them against BC). Notre Dame continues their Jekyll & Hyde year with a dominate win over Jacksonville. Looks like chalk from the rest of the weekend. Looking to the week ahead, Syracuse v. Virginia on Wed., see where Rutgers is at against Maryland on Sat., can Penn St. hang with Princeton on Sat. and the match-up of the year so far with BC v. UNC on Sun.

Denver and Michigan are both pretty good. ND inconsistent but Jacksonville not very good. Syracuse and Virginia already played (SU 17 - UVA 11). Rutgers is good, Maryland is very good but you never know, that's why we play the games. Penn State a little up and down but should be able to hang with and possibly beat Princeton. UNC over BC by 5.

Yep, Syracuse v. Florida, my bad.

Going with…

Syracuse 17 Florida 10

That could knock Florida out of the Top 20.
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I will take SBU over NW . Just feel like the dodging offense will struggle against the zone , yes they put in a bunch against Cuse zone but SBU goalie will make more than 2-3 saves. Draw seems even, goalies slight edge SBU, SBU better defense and Spallina will not let it be a run and gun game.

Yeah, no.
Division I Women’s Lacrosse Poll 3-14-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Boston College (8 - 0) 550 (22) 1
2 North Carolina (8 - 0) 528 2
3 Syracuse (6 - 1) 493 3
4 Maryland (6 - 0) 471 4
5 Northwestern (5 - 2) 449 5
6 Stony Brook (3 - 2) 436 6
7 Loyola (6 - 0) 402 9
8 Duke (8 - 1) 396 7
9 Denver (7 - 1) 377 11
10 Michigan (7 - 1) 352 8
11 Princeton (5 - 0) 346 10
12 Rutgers (8 - 0) 304 13
13 Florida (2 - 4) 289 12
14 Virginia (4 - 5) 260 14
15 USC (5 - 1) 221 17
16 Notre Dame (3 - 5) 176 15
17 Navy (6 - 1) 149 25
18 Johns Hopkins (4 - 3) 145 16
19 Richmond (5 - 1) 115 22
20 Jacksonville (3 - 3) 93 20
21 James Madison (3 - 4) 69 21
22 UMass (4 - 2) 68 NR
23 UConn (6 - 1) 58 NR
24 Virginia Tech (6 - 3) 55 NR
25 Colorado (5 - 2) 53 23
RV Arizona State, Temple, Drexel, Penn, Penn State
Division II Women’s Lacrosse Poll 3-14-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 UIndy (5 - 0) 525 (21) 2
2 Le Moyne (2 - 1) 503 1
3 Queens (6 - 0) 482 3
4 Lindenwood (4 - 1) 461 4
5 West Chester (1 - 0) 430 5
6 Florida Southern (4 - 1) 408 6
7 East Stroudsburg (3 - 0) 390 7
8 Adelphi (2 - 0) 372 9
9 Rollins (6 - 0) 361 8
10 Grand Valley State (7 - 1) 350 10
11 Regis (CO) (3 - 0) 317 11
12 Mercy (3 - 2) 299 12
13 Tampa (3 - 3) 250 13
14 Bentley (1 - 0) 228 14
15 Pace (4 - 0) 220 16
16 Embry-Riddle (7 - 0) 212 17
17 Roberts Wesleyan (2 - 1) 193 15
18 Seton Hill (4 - 1) 167 18
19 New Haven (2 - 0) 140 19
20 Assumption (2 - 2) 118 21
21 Saint Anselm (1 - 0) 89 22
22 Limestone (4 - 3) 81 20
23 Saint Leo (3 - 5) 59 23
24 Davenport (5 - 1) 57 25
25 Mount Olive (3 - 3) 36 24
RV Wingate, Lander, Florida Tech, Lynn, Concordia-St. Paul
Division III Womens’s Lacrosse Poll 3-14-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Salisbury (7 - 0) 496 (19) 1
2 Gettysburg (4 - 1) 462 2
3 Ithaca (3 - 0) 457 3
4 Washington and Lee (3 - 2) 428 4
5 Middlebury (3 - 0) 411 6
6 Franklin & Marshall (3 - 1) 405 5
7 William Smith (3 - 0) 363 7
8 TCNJ (3 - 0) 349 10
9 Tufts (1 - 1) 338 (1) 8
10 Brockport (2 - 0) 285 12
11 Wesleyan (CT) (2 - 0) 280 15
12 Colby (2 - 1) 270 9
13 Catholic (2 - 2) 230 14
14 York (3 - 1) 226 16
15 Messiah (3 - 3) 209 11
16 Hamilton (2 - 0) 197 20
17 Trinity (2 - 0) 189 19
18 St. John Fisher (0 - 2) 165 13
19 Denison (1 - 2) 158 17
20 Bowdoin (1 - 2) 133 18
21 Amherst (1 - 1) 91 23
22 Cortland (1 - 2) 83 21
23 Chicago (4 - 0) 61 24
24 Haverford (4 - 0) 47 NR
25 Williams (0 - 2) 25 NR
RV Rowan, Pomona-Pitzer, Stevenson, Roger Williams, Washington Coll.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice win by Denver over Michigan (a shame we did not get a full game result from them against BC). Notre Dame continues their Jekyll & Hyde year with a dominate win over Jacksonville. Looks like chalk from the rest of the weekend. Looking to the week ahead, Syracuse v. Virginia on Wed., see where Rutgers is at against Maryland on Sat., can Penn St. hang with Princeton on Sat. and the match-up of the year so far with BC v. UNC on Sun.

Denver and Michigan are both pretty good. ND inconsistent but Jacksonville not very good. Syracuse and Virginia already played (SU 17 - UVA 11). Rutgers is good, Maryland is very good but you never know, that's why we play the games. Penn State a little up and down but should be able to hang with and possibly beat Princeton. UNC over BC by 5.

Yep, Syracuse v. Florida, my bad.

Going with…

Syracuse 17 Florida 10

That could knock Florida out of the Top 20.


How do you figure that. After the Syracuse game Florida would have played 7 games. 4 of those games against top 5 teams and 1 game against top 10 team (UNC-2, UMD-5, SBU-5, Loyola-9, Syracuse-3). So Florida team that may have the toughest OOC schedule at this point in season gets penalized but the teams (we all know who they are) who play cupcake OOC move up in the rankings.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice win by Denver over Michigan (a shame we did not get a full game result from them against BC). Notre Dame continues their Jekyll & Hyde year with a dominate win over Jacksonville. Looks like chalk from the rest of the weekend. Looking to the week ahead, Syracuse v. Virginia on Wed., see where Rutgers is at against Maryland on Sat., can Penn St. hang with Princeton on Sat. and the match-up of the year so far with BC v. UNC on Sun.

Denver and Michigan are both pretty good. ND inconsistent but Jacksonville not very good. Syracuse and Virginia already played (SU 17 - UVA 11). Rutgers is good, Maryland is very good but you never know, that's why we play the games. Penn State a little up and down but should be able to hang with and possibly beat Princeton. UNC over BC by 5.

Yep, Syracuse v. Florida, my bad.

Going with…

Syracuse 17 Florida 10

That could knock Florida out of the Top 20.


How do you figure that. After the Syracuse game Florida would have played 7 games. 4 of those games against top 5 teams and 1 game against top 10 team (UNC-2, UMD-5, SBU-5, Loyola-9, Syracuse-3). So Florida team that may have the toughest OOC schedule at this point in season gets penalized but the teams (we all know who they are) who play cupcake OOC move up in the rankings.

Well, at some point you have to win a game vs a good team.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice win by Denver over Michigan (a shame we did not get a full game result from them against BC). Notre Dame continues their Jekyll & Hyde year with a dominate win over Jacksonville. Looks like chalk from the rest of the weekend. Looking to the week ahead, Syracuse v. Virginia on Wed., see where Rutgers is at against Maryland on Sat., can Penn St. hang with Princeton on Sat. and the match-up of the year so far with BC v. UNC on Sun.

Denver and Michigan are both pretty good. ND inconsistent but Jacksonville not very good. Syracuse and Virginia already played (SU 17 - UVA 11). Rutgers is good, Maryland is very good but you never know, that's why we play the games. Penn State a little up and down but should be able to hang with and possibly beat Princeton. UNC over BC by 5.

Yep, Syracuse v. Florida, my bad.

Going with…

Syracuse 17 Florida 10

That could knock Florida out of the Top 20.


How do you figure that. After the Syracuse game Florida would have played 7 games. 4 of those games against top 5 teams and 1 game against top 10 team (UNC-2, UMD-5, SBU-5, Loyola-9, Syracuse-3). So Florida team that may have the toughest OOC schedule at this point in season gets penalized but the teams (we all know who they are) who play cupcake OOC move up in the rankings.

Teams from weak conferences have to play tough non conference games. Teams from the ACC and Big 10 can choose whatever they want for non conference games because their overall schedule will still be tougher than most. Once upon a time Duke played a tough non conference schedule and it hurt them. UVA and ND (more UVA) are at risk of being hurt this year.
Division I Women’s Lacrosse Players of the Week 3-15-22

Co-Offensive Player of the Week

Aurora Cordingley – University of Maryland

Cordingley had an 11-point game (six goals, five assists) to lead No. 4 Maryland to a dominant 19-7 win over Villanova on Sunday. She tallied five points in the first half (three goals, two assists) and six points in the second half (three goals, three assists) to lead Maryland to a 19-goal output. Cordingley became only the sixth Terp ever to have an 11-point game in the 49 year history of the program, and her six goals tied a career-high. Cordingley leads the NCAA in points per game (7.67 per game), and leads the Big Ten in goals per game and assists per game. Against the Wildcats, she also totaled a game-high and career-high five ground balls and caused a turnover on the ride.

Co-Offensive Player of the Week

Ellie Masera – Stony Brook University

Masera totaled 10 points with nine goals and an assist in a loss to No. 4 Northwestern and a win over No. 16 Johns Hopkins last week. Her five goals against the No. 4 Wildcats are a career-high. She also added 10 draw controls, seven ground balls, and caused three turnovers in the two games. The Seawolves are 3-2 and ranked No. 6 in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division I Poll this week.

Defensive Player of the Week

Sam Thacker – University of Denver

Thacker and the Pioneers faced two of the top scoring offenses in Division I last week, and the defense limited both No. 1 Boston College and No. 8 Michigan to single-digit goals in a 1-1 week. Both teams were held to season-low goal totals, including nine for the Eagles and eight for the Wolverines. Thacker tallied four caused turnovers per game, while adding a total of three ground balls and four draw controls over the two-game span. Denver’s record now stands at 7-1 and the Pioneers are ranked No. 9 in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division I Poll this week.
Division II Women’s Lacrosse Players of the Week 3-15-22

Offensive Player of the Week

Abigail Lagos – University of Indianapolis

Lagos posted a season high two assists over No. 1 Le Moyne in leading the Greyhounds to an 11-10 win in the Carrier Dome last weekend. She scored three goals, leading the team in goals, and notched the game winning goal. The win put the 5-0 Greyhounds into the top spot in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division II Poll this week.

Defensive Player of the Week

Kara Antonucci – University of Indianapolis

Antonucci led the team defensively in their win over No. 1 ranked Le Moyne. The senior defender shut down Le Moyne’s Erin McGuire, holding her scoreless while helping hold the Le Moyne offense to just 10 goals. Antonucci also contributed three draw controls on the day, helping the Greyhounds claim the No. 1 spot in this week’s ILWomen/IWLCA Division II Poll.
Division III Women’s Lacrosse Players of the Week 3-15-22

Offensive Player of the Week

Brenna Turner – Alfred University

Turner broke the Alfred school record and tied the Empire 8 single game record with 11 goals, including the game-winner, in a 21-19 win over SUNY Potsdam on March 7. Her 14 points also set Alfred and Empire 8 single-game marks. Turner also added three ground balls and three draw controls in the contest, leading the Saxons to a 2-0 start for the first time since 2013.

Defensive Player of the Week

Hannah Goodwin – Roger Williams University

Goodwin’s career high 19 saves helped RWU defeat No. 9 Colby, 13-10, last week. The win was the first over a nationally ranked team in program history. The senior goalkeeper’s performance was the fourth highest single game save total in RWU history. The Hawks are 4-1 and received votes in this week’s ILWomen/IWLCA Division III Poll.
If Maryland wins the National Championship, Aurora Cordingley will win The Tewaaraton Award.
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If Maryland wins the National Championship, Aurora Cordingley will win The Tewaaraton Award.

Neither of those are going to happen. After watching the front runners of Ortega and North this past weekend play against over matched opponents like they only care about their stats I hope a defender or two way middy wins the award .The ball hogging gets old.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Maryland wins the National Championship, Aurora Cordingley will win The Tewaaraton Award.

Neither of those are going to happen. After watching the front runners of Ortega and North this past weekend play against over matched opponents like they only care about their stats I hope a defender or two way middy wins the award .The ball hogging gets old.

Maryland has as much of a chance as any team to win the championship. Cordingley has as much of a chance as any player. While I believe good two way middies, defenders and goalies are more important to a teams success it is more difficult to quantify their value. Would love to see true midfielder, defender who plays man to man or a goalie win it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Maryland wins the National Championship, Aurora Cordingley will win The Tewaaraton Award.

Neither of those are going to happen. After watching the front runners of Ortega and North this past weekend play against over matched opponents like they only care about their stats I hope a defender or two way middy wins the award .The ball hogging gets old.

Cant argue about North shes def a ball hog, but Ortega has 25 G and 18 assists this season. That doesnt sound like a ball hog to me.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Maryland wins the National Championship, Aurora Cordingley will win The Tewaaraton Award.

Neither of those are going to happen. After watching the front runners of Ortega and North this past weekend play against over matched opponents like they only care about their stats I hope a defender or two way middy wins the award .The ball hogging gets old.

Cant argue about North shes def a ball hog, but Ortega has 25 G and 18 assists this season. That doesnt sound like a ball hog to me.

Both are fantastic, different but fantastic none the less. Neither are ball hogs IMHO, they are excellent players who score a lot of goals. Ball hogs are painful to watch, they are selfish and will sacrifice the right play and force a shot when she should be moving the ball the shots are more times than not unsuccessful and should not have been taken.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Maryland wins the National Championship, Aurora Cordingley will win The Tewaaraton Award.

Neither of those are going to happen. After watching the front runners of Ortega and North this past weekend play against over matched opponents like they only care about their stats I hope a defender or two way middy wins the award .The ball hogging gets old.

Maryland has as much of a chance as any team to win the championship. Cordingley has as much of a chance as any player. While I believe good two way middies, defenders and goalies are more important to a teams success it is more difficult to quantify their value. Would love to see true midfielder, defender who plays man to man or a goalie win it.


Sorry but give the Maryland thing a rest they have not beaten anyone the teams they have played are a combined 16- 29 and all of them are below 500 . AC not even close the top of the list and yes is putting up good numbers but against who ?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Maryland wins the National Championship, Aurora Cordingley will win The Tewaaraton Award.

Neither of those are going to happen. After watching the front runners of Ortega and North this past weekend play against over matched opponents like they only care about their stats I hope a defender or two way middy wins the award .The ball hogging gets old.

I don't think either Ortega or North are Ball Hogs, they are obviously very good players who know how to score goals, no problem with that. Their coaches don't have a problem with it either. These two players along with most of the other top scorers put the majority of their shots on goal, we are talking above 70% and in some cases above 80%, Cordingley is at like 93% sots on goal. They also score on 50% and above some above 60%, Cordingley is pushing 70%. If your putting above 70% of your shots on goal and scoring on close to 50 % I would argue that you are taking quality shots you are not a ball hog. The true Ball Hogs will not have numbers anywhere near what good players have. If you are putting below 70% of your shots on goal it is probably because of poor shot selection (maybe pass the ball) or you are not a good shooter (maybe pass the ball to someone who can shoot). If your actual shooting percentage is below .300 you should probably stop shooting all together as the coaches will probably have a problem with sub .300 shooting percentage.
Nice win by Florida! They needed it. Great Job!
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Nice win by Florida! They needed it. Great Job!

Reznick should win the Tewaarton Award she’s more impactful then any other player.
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Nice win by Florida! They needed it. Great Job!

Reznick should win the Tewaarton Award she’s more impactful then any other player.

Not trying to be mean but she had 3 saves vs Stony Brook and 5 saves vs Loyola. Florida will not make the Final Four.

She is a very good goalie but not going to win the Tewarraton.

Syracuse not going to the Final Four either. Team Defense and Goalie play are what wins championships.
Please with the final four talk. It’s a 2 team race
Curious if anyone thinks BC wins their upcoming game , I would say slim chance, I think the UNC transfers put them clearly at the top and the more those players get to gel will make it a very difficult task to beat them. Even thou they lost last year I still think UNC were probably the best team but this year they may be better. Their arguably 3rd best offensive option last year may be their 6th best offensive option this year. I also think UNC will dominate the draw. That said these are clearly the two best teams in the NCAA with several teams a distant 3.
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Curious if anyone thinks BC wins their upcoming game , I would say slim chance, I think the UNC transfers put them clearly at the top and the more those players get to gel will make it a very difficult task to beat them. Even thou they lost last year I still think UNC were probably the best team but this year they may be better. Their arguably 3rd best offensive option last year may be their 6th best offensive option this year. I also think UNC will dominate the draw. That said these are clearly the two best teams in the NCAA with several teams a distant 3.

Maryland will win it this year.
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Nice win by Florida! They needed it. Great Job!

Reznick should win the Tewaarton Award she’s more impactful then any other player.

Not trying to be mean but she had 3 saves vs Stony Brook and 5 saves vs Loyola. Florida will not make the Final Four.

She is a very good goalie but not going to win the Tewarraton.

Syracuse not going to the Final Four either. Team Defense and Goalie play are what wins championships.

Goalie, Team Defense and Coaching.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Curious if anyone thinks BC wins their upcoming game , I would say slim chance, I think the UNC transfers put them clearly at the top and the more those players get to gel will make it a very difficult task to beat them. Even thou they lost last year I still think UNC were probably the best team but this year they may be better. Their arguably 3rd best offensive option last year may be their 6th best offensive option this year. I also think UNC will dominate the draw. That said these are clearly the two best teams in the NCAA with several teams a distant 3.

No, BC will not beat UNC this week.
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Curious if anyone thinks BC wins their upcoming game , I would say slim chance, I think the UNC transfers put them clearly at the top and the more those players get to gel will make it a very difficult task to beat them. Even thou they lost last year I still think UNC were probably the best team but this year they may be better. Their arguably 3rd best offensive option last year may be their 6th best offensive option this year. I also think UNC will dominate the draw. That said these are clearly the two best teams in the NCAA with several teams a distant 3.

Maryland will win it this year.

If by win it you mean a round of 8 exit then yes Maryland will win it . Beat someone with a winning record .
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Nice win by Florida! They needed it. Great Job!

Reznick should win the Tewaarton Award she’s more impactful then any other player.

Not trying to be mean but she had 3 saves vs Stony Brook and 5 saves vs Loyola. Florida will not make the Final Four.

She is a very good goalie but not going to win the Tewarraton.

Syracuse not going to the Final Four either. Team Defense and Goalie play are what wins championships.

Goalie, Team Defense and Coaching.
And scoring more goals than the other team
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Curious if anyone thinks BC wins their upcoming game , I would say slim chance, I think the UNC transfers put them clearly at the top and the more those players get to gel will make it a very difficult task to beat them. Even thou they lost last year I still think UNC were probably the best team but this year they may be better. Their arguably 3rd best offensive option last year may be their 6th best offensive option this year. I also think UNC will dominate the draw. That said these are clearly the two best teams in the NCAA with several teams a distant 3.

Maryland will win it this year.

If by win it you mean a round of 8 exit then yes Maryland will win it . Beat someone with a winning record .

I will bet on Maryland this year.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Maryland wins the National Championship, Aurora Cordingley will win The Tewaaraton Award.

Neither of those are going to happen. After watching the front runners of Ortega and North this past weekend play against over matched opponents like they only care about their stats I hope a defender or two way middy wins the award .The ball hogging gets old.

Maryland has as much of a chance as any team to win the championship. Cordingley has as much of a chance as any player. While I believe good two way middies, defenders and goalies are more important to a teams success it is more difficult to quantify their value. Would love to see true midfielder, defender who plays man to man or a goalie win it.


Sorry but give the Maryland thing a rest they have not beaten anyone the teams they have played are a combined 16- 29 and all of them are below 500 . AC not even close the top of the list and yes is putting up good numbers but against who ?


They dominated Florida, who just beat the #3 team last night. Got a nice road win vs UVA. Has multiple players that can score.
No reason to think they aren't a Final Four contender.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Maryland wins the National Championship, Aurora Cordingley will win The Tewaaraton Award.

Neither of those are going to happen. After watching the front runners of Ortega and North this past weekend play against over matched opponents like they only care about their stats I hope a defender or two way middy wins the award .The ball hogging gets old.

Maryland has as much of a chance as any team to win the championship. Cordingley has as much of a chance as any player. While I believe good two way middies, defenders and goalies are more important to a teams success it is more difficult to quantify their value. Would love to see true midfielder, defender who plays man to man or a goalie win it.


Sorry but give the Maryland thing a rest they have not beaten anyone the teams they have played are a combined 16- 29 and all of them are below 500 . AC not even close the top of the list and yes is putting up good numbers but against who ?


They dominated Florida, who just beat the #3 team last night. Got a nice road win vs UVA. Has multiple players that can score.
No reason to think they aren't a Final Four contender.

I'm sure the MD hater who thinks he is a know it all is just tired of all of the times his daughters team was pounded by MD.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please with the final four talk. It’s a 2 team race

Never know, that's why they play the games UNC was by far the best team last year and they were upset and didn't win when it mattered.
Sunday college l;ax schedule... Will start with Maryland v. Rutgers at noon, Catch some Vriginia v. JMU at 1pm depending on how the noon game is going, then to BC v. UNC at 2pm and wrap-up the day with USC v. Stanford at 5pm to see who takes the lead in the PAC12.
Stanford, stop that nonsense talk. PAC 12 might as well play in the MAAC
UNC v BC very good game as predicted and from what I say on TV a great crowd. UNC mature players played well. Transfer again crushed it-OD, AA, SG. Not sure why teams even face guard CW, i see way bigger threats out there to Face guard. UNC defense is just awesome again this year. Entire group studs.


BC played solid with North leading the pack such a great ball player, but JM is very good as she was in HS here. BC middies from the looks played solid lax against tough group at UNC

Round one with these two over, I feel we may see two more.

Nice to see huge crowd for womens lax.
Finding it hard to root for UNC, its a team full of portal transfers. It would really stink for team chemistry to ride the bench year after year, waiting for your turn and then have 4 transfers dump on top of you. And they play every single minute (not saying they don't deserve to but really tough to root for that kind of culture).
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Finding it hard to root for UNC, its a team full of portal transfers. It would really stink for team chemistry to ride the bench year after year, waiting for your turn and then have 4 transfers dump on top of you. And they play every single minute (not saying they don't deserve to but really tough to root for that kind of culture).

Agree, they went and cut their teeth somewhere else and proved themselves with other teams and then come together at UNC as an “all star” team. Not loving “transfer teams”. I like to see teams who worked together to build a team and develop players over a couple years. Not just acquire them.
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Finding it hard to root for UNC, its a team full of portal transfers. It would really stink for team chemistry to ride the bench year after year, waiting for your turn and then have 4 transfers dump on top of you. And they play every single minute (not saying they don't deserve to but really tough to root for that kind of culture).

Agree, they went and cut their teeth somewhere else and proved themselves with other teams and then come together at UNC as an “all star” team. Not loving “transfer teams”. I like to see teams who worked together to build a team and develop players over a couple years. Not just acquire them.

Does BC not have transfers?
A couple notes that the UNC v BC game showed.
-One as mentioned is transfers impact. I have less issue with normal transfer as this is a NCAA go forward rule. One time transfer rule. Everyone in the same rule. Bigger issues is with fifth years. But both teams had this BC Taylor and UNC Aldave and Gierserbach.

-second. For the development and ethics of the sport add instant replay. They need it worse than any other sport. I counted 2 calls watching the game yesterday that clearly would have been overturned. The out of bounds on BC after Ball was kicked out by BC player and the timeout with no possession. I think difficult to uses it for charges etc..but have it in place to at least be able to check it. Also don’t tell me it is a cost to do. Every school is streaming games now. Why is it in AU if not important. They overturn many in these games.
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Finding it hard to root for UNC, its a team full of portal transfers. It would really stink for team chemistry to ride the bench year after year, waiting for your turn and then have 4 transfers dump on top of you. And they play every single minute (not saying they don't deserve to but really tough to root for that kind of culture).

Agree, they went and cut their teeth somewhere else and proved themselves with other teams and then come together at UNC as an “all star” team. Not loving “transfer teams”. I like to see teams who worked together to build a team and develop players over a couple years. Not just acquire them.

Does BC not have transfers?

Of course they do. Charlotte North, Rachel Hall and Courtney Taylor are all Transfers.
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Finding it hard to root for UNC, its a team full of portal transfers. It would really stink for team chemistry to ride the bench year after year, waiting for your turn and then have 4 transfers dump on top of you. And they play every single minute (not saying they don't deserve to but really tough to root for that kind of culture).

Agree, they went and cut their teeth somewhere else and proved themselves with other teams and then come together at UNC as an “all star” team. Not loving “transfer teams”. I like to see teams who worked together to build a team and develop players over a couple years. Not just acquire them.

Does BC not have transfers?

Of course they do. Charlotte North, Rachel Hall and Courtney Taylor are all Transfers.

Don’t love it, and especially don’t love the later year transfers. Unless they are leaving current team due to other issues other than to just go to try for a LAX championship with another team! So, a team can lure all the best players in their later years to create a championship team, when they did not develop one over the years? Transfer the best players in?
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Finding it hard to root for UNC, its a team full of portal transfers. It would really stink for team chemistry to ride the bench year after year, waiting for your turn and then have 4 transfers dump on top of you. And they play every single minute (not saying they don't deserve to but really tough to root for that kind of culture).

Agree, they went and cut their teeth somewhere else and proved themselves with other teams and then come together at UNC as an “all star” team. Not loving “transfer teams”. I like to see teams who worked together to build a team and develop players over a couple years. Not just acquire them.

Does BC not have transfers?

Of course they do. Charlotte North, Rachel Hall and Courtney Taylor are all Transfers.

Don’t love it, and especially don’t love the later year transfers. Unless they are leaving current team due to other issues other than to just go to try for a LAX championship with another team! So, a team can lure all the best players in their later years to create a championship team, when they did not develop one over the years? Transfer the best players in?
the grad transfers will end next after the 22-23 season. that is the last year of the extra Covid season.
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Finding it hard to root for UNC, its a team full of portal transfers. It would really stink for team chemistry to ride the bench year after year, waiting for your turn and then have 4 transfers dump on top of you. And they play every single minute (not saying they don't deserve to but really tough to root for that kind of culture).

Agree, they went and cut their teeth somewhere else and proved themselves with other teams and then come together at UNC as an “all star” team. Not loving “transfer teams”. I like to see teams who worked together to build a team and develop players over a couple years. Not just acquire them.

Does BC not have transfers?

Of course they do. Charlotte North, Rachel Hall and Courtney Taylor are all Transfers.

Don’t love it, and especially don’t love the later year transfers. Unless they are leaving current team due to other issues other than to just go to try for a LAX championship with another team! So, a team can lure all the best players in their later years to create a championship team, when they did not develop one over the years? Transfer the best players in?

Correct and add in Maryland’s transfer portal success this season, the top 3 teams have significant contributions from transfers.
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Finding it hard to root for UNC, its a team full of portal transfers. It would really stink for team chemistry to ride the bench year after year, waiting for your turn and then have 4 transfers dump on top of you. And they play every single minute (not saying they don't deserve to but really tough to root for that kind of culture).

Agree, they went and cut their teeth somewhere else and proved themselves with other teams and then come together at UNC as an “all star” team. Not loving “transfer teams”. I like to see teams who worked together to build a team and develop players over a couple years. Not just acquire them.

Does BC not have transfers?

Of course they do. Charlotte North, Rachel Hall and Courtney Taylor are all Transfers.

Don’t love it, and especially don’t love the later year transfers. Unless they are leaving current team due to other issues other than to just go to try for a LAX championship with another team! So, a team can lure all the best players in their later years to create a championship team, when they did not develop one over the years? Transfer the best players in?

Correct and add in Maryland’s transfer portal success this season, the top 3 teams have significant contributions from transfers.

The “rich get richer”
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Finding it hard to root for UNC, its a team full of portal transfers. It would really stink for team chemistry to ride the bench year after year, waiting for your turn and then have 4 transfers dump on top of you. And they play every single minute (not saying they don't deserve to but really tough to root for that kind of culture).

Agree, they went and cut their teeth somewhere else and proved themselves with other teams and then come together at UNC as an “all star” team. Not loving “transfer teams”. I like to see teams who worked together to build a team and develop players over a couple years. Not just acquire them.

Does BC not have transfers?
They forget that North was a huge transfer. As was Hall. But tha'ts ok I guess.
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Finding it hard to root for UNC, its a team full of portal transfers. It would really stink for team chemistry to ride the bench year after year, waiting for your turn and then have 4 transfers dump on top of you. And they play every single minute (not saying they don't deserve to but really tough to root for that kind of culture).

Agree, they went and cut their teeth somewhere else and proved themselves with other teams and then come together at UNC as an “all star” team. Not loving “transfer teams”. I like to see teams who worked together to build a team and develop players over a couple years. Not just acquire them.

Does BC not have transfers?

Of course they do. Charlotte North, Rachel Hall and Courtney Taylor are all Transfers.

Don’t love it, and especially don’t love the later year transfers. Unless they are leaving current team due to other issues other than to just go to try for a LAX championship with another team! So, a team can lure all the best players in their later years to create a championship team, when they did not develop one over the years? Transfer the best players in?

Correct and add in Maryland’s transfer portal success this season, the top 3 teams have significant contributions from transfers.

If you want to be the best you have to beat the best. regardless of who the personnel is.
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Finding it hard to root for UNC, its a team full of portal transfers. It would really stink for team chemistry to ride the bench year after year, waiting for your turn and then have 4 transfers dump on top of you. And they play every single minute (not saying they don't deserve to but really tough to root for that kind of culture).

Agree, they went and cut their teeth somewhere else and proved themselves with other teams and then come together at UNC as an “all star” team. Not loving “transfer teams”. I like to see teams who worked together to build a team and develop players over a couple years. Not just acquire them.

Does BC not have transfers?

Of course they do. Charlotte North, Rachel Hall and Courtney Taylor are all Transfers.

Don’t love it, and especially don’t love the later year transfers. Unless they are leaving current team due to other issues other than to just go to try for a LAX championship with another team! So, a team can lure all the best players in their later years to create a championship team, when they did not develop one over the years? Transfer the best players in?

Correct and add in Maryland’s transfer portal success this season, the top 3 teams have significant contributions from transfers.
Should go back to the way basketball did it. If you leave your school, you have to sit out a year unless you get an exemption (and they were few and far between(.
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Finding it hard to root for UNC, its a team full of portal transfers. It would really stink for team chemistry to ride the bench year after year, waiting for your turn and then have 4 transfers dump on top of you. And they play every single minute (not saying they don't deserve to but really tough to root for that kind of culture).

Agree, they went and cut their teeth somewhere else and proved themselves with other teams and then come together at UNC as an “all star” team. Not loving “transfer teams”. I like to see teams who worked together to build a team and develop players over a couple years. Not just acquire them.

Does BC not have transfers?
They forget that North was a huge transfer. As was Hall. But tha'ts ok I guess.

No it's not. All transfers are brutal. Hope they stop the nonsense. No mid major team will ever have a chance again.
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Finding it hard to root for UNC, its a team full of portal transfers. It would really stink for team chemistry to ride the bench year after year, waiting for your turn and then have 4 transfers dump on top of you. And they play every single minute (not saying they don't deserve to but really tough to root for that kind of culture).

Agree, they went and cut their teeth somewhere else and proved themselves with other teams and then come together at UNC as an “all star” team. Not loving “transfer teams”. I like to see teams who worked together to build a team and develop players over a couple years. Not just acquire them.

Does BC not have transfers?
They forget that North was a huge transfer. As was Hall. But tha'ts ok I guess.

No it's not. All transfers are brutal. Hope they stop the nonsense. No mid major team will ever have a chance again.

Oh stop, kids should be able to transfer for whatever reason they want and not have to sit out a year. Coaches do not have to sit out a year. Also, please stop with terms borrowed from TV College Football announcers "Mid Major" "Preferred Walk on"... they really do not apply to Lacrosse. If a kid is not happy they should not have to stay and they should not have to sit out a year. And go back to Top 20.... Top 25 is a bit much, the Men only rank the Top 20 and there is a lot more parity.
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Should go back to the way basketball did it. If you leave your school, you have to sit out a year unless you get an exemption (and they were few and far between(.

Graduate transfers never had to sit out a year.
Division I Women’s Lacrosse Poll 3-21-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 North Carolina (9 - 0) 550 (22) 2
2 Boston College (8 - 1) 524 1
3 Maryland (7 - 0) 491 4
4 Northwestern (6 - 2) 469 5
5 Syracuse (7 - 2) 457 3
6 Stony Brook (4 - 2) 428 6
7 Loyola (7 - 0) 424 7
8 Duke (10 - 1) 381 8
9 Denver (8 - 1) 371 9
10 Princeton (6 - 0) 338 11
11 Florida (4 - 4) 333 13
12 Michigan (9 - 1) 327 10
13 Rutgers (8 - 1) 287 12
14 Notre Dame (4 - 5) 221 16
15 James Madison (5 - 4) 206 21
16 Virginia (5 - 6) 202 14
17 Navy (7 - 1) 178 17
18 USC (6 - 2) 152 15
19 Richmond (6 - 2) 139 19
20 Johns Hopkins (5 - 4) 128 18
21 UMass (6 - 2) 122 22
22 UConn (6 - 1) 104 23
23 Jacksonville (4 - 3) 95 20
24 Stanford (5 - 4) 57 34
25 Virginia Tech (7 - 4) 38 24
RV Vanderbilt, Penn State, Colorado, Drexel, Louisville, Arizona State, Yale, Mount St Mary's, Hofstra, Army
Division II Women’s Lacrosse Poll 3-21-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Queens (8 - 0) 562 (16) 3
2 UIndy (5 - 1) 526 (2) 1
3 Adelphi (4 - 0) 523 (3) 8
4 Lindenwood (5 - 1) 483 4
5 West Chester (4 - 0) 464 5
6 Le Moyne (3 - 2) 454 (2) 2
7 Florida Southern (6 - 1) 445 6
8 East Stroudsburg (5 - 0) 435 7
9 Rollins (8 - 0) 389 9
10 Grand Valley State (8 - 1) 372 10
11 Mercy (5 - 2) 331 12
12 Regis (CO) (6 - 0) 328 11
13 Embry-Riddle (9 - 0) 272 16
14 Bentley (2 - 1) 256 14
15 Pace (4 - 1) 250 15
16 Tampa (3 - 4) 249 13
17 Roberts Wesleyan (4 - 2) 189 17
18 New Haven (4 - 0) 176 19
19 Assumption (3 - 2) 150 20
20 Saint Anselm (3 - 1) 131 21
21 Limestone (6 - 3) 90 22
22 Seton Hill (4 - 3) 78 18
23 Davenport (6 - 1) 72 24
24 Stonehill (3 - 1) 56 31
25 Wingate (6 - 2) 54 26
RV Saint Leo, Mount Olive, Florida Tech, Indiana (PA), Lynn, Belmont Abbey, Concordia-St. Paul, Northern Mich., Slippery Ro
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Finding it hard to root for UNC, its a team full of portal transfers. It would really stink for team chemistry to ride the bench year after year, waiting for your turn and then have 4 transfers dump on top of you. And they play every single minute (not saying they don't deserve to but really tough to root for that kind of culture).
Players should be able to transfer - look at Pitt!
It's the 5th year that is the issue, but luckily it won't last forever.
Division III Women’s Lacrosse Poll 3-21-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Salisbury (8 - 0) 550 (22) 1
2 Gettysburg (5 - 1) 523 2
3 Middlebury (4 - 0) 484 5
4 Ithaca (5 - 0) 482 3
5 Washington and Lee (5 - 2) 476 4
6 Franklin & Marshall (5 - 1) 443 6
7 William Smith (4 - 0) 421 7
8 TCNJ (5 - 0) 378 8
9 Colby (4 - 1) 347 12
10 Tufts (3 - 1) 331 9
11 York (4 - 2) 301 14
12 Wesleyan (CT) (4 - 1) 299 11
13 Hamilton (4 - 0) 264 16
14 Brockport (2 - 1) 241 10
15 Messiah (4 - 3) 231 15
16 Catholic (3 - 3) 216 13
17 Bowdoin (4 - 2) 215 20
18 Trinity (3 - 2) 161 17
19 Amherst (3 - 1) 145 21
20 Denison (2 - 3) 137 19
21 St. John Fisher (1 - 2) 112 18
22 Haverford (4 - 2) 77 24
23 Chicago (4 - 1) 70 23
24 Cortland (1 - 4) 55 22
25 St. Lawrence (6 - 0) 39 33
RV Geneseo, Pomona-Pitzer, Endicott, Roger Williams, Williams, Washington College, Row
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Finding it hard to root for UNC, its a team full of portal transfers. It would really stink for team chemistry to ride the bench year after year, waiting for your turn and then have 4 transfers dump on top of you. And they play every single minute (not saying they don't deserve to but really tough to root for that kind of culture).

Agree, they went and cut their teeth somewhere else and proved themselves with other teams and then come together at UNC as an “all star” team. Not loving “transfer teams”. I like to see teams who worked together to build a team and develop players over a couple years. Not just acquire them.

Does BC not have transfers?

Of course they do. Charlotte North, Rachel Hall and Courtney Taylor are all Transfers.

Don’t love it, and especially don’t love the later year transfers. Unless they are leaving current team due to other issues other than to just go to try for a LAX championship with another team! So, a team can lure all the best players in their later years to create a championship team, when they did not develop one over the years? Transfer the best players in?
the grad transfers will end next after the 22-23 season. that is the last year of the extra Covid season.

It will actually be 23-24, correct? Players who were freshman during the 2020 Covid cancelled season will play their 5th season in 2024.
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Finding it hard to root for UNC, its a team full of portal transfers. It would really stink for team chemistry to ride the bench year after year, waiting for your turn and then have 4 transfers dump on top of you. And they play every single minute (not saying they don't deserve to but really tough to root for that kind of culture).
Players should be able to transfer - look at Pitt!
It's the 5th year that is the issue, but luckily it won't last forever.

Clemson will follow the same blue print as Pitt.
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Finding it hard to root for UNC, its a team full of portal transfers. It would really stink for team chemistry to ride the bench year after year, waiting for your turn and then have 4 transfers dump on top of you. And they play every single minute (not saying they don't deserve to but really tough to root for that kind of culture).

Agree, they went and cut their teeth somewhere else and proved themselves with other teams and then come together at UNC as an “all star” team. Not loving “transfer teams”. I like to see teams who worked together to build a team and develop players over a couple years. Not just acquire them.

Does BC not have transfers?
They forget that North was a huge transfer. As was Hall. But tha'ts ok I guess.

No it's not. All transfers are brutal. Hope they stop the nonsense. No mid major team will ever have a chance again.

Oh stop, kids should be able to transfer for whatever reason they want and not have to sit out a year. Coaches do not have to sit out a year. Also, please stop with terms borrowed from TV College Football announcers "Mid Major" "Preferred Walk on"... they really do not apply to Lacrosse. If a kid is not happy they should not have to stay and they should not have to sit out a year. And go back to Top 20.... Top 25 is a bit much, the Men only rank the Top 20 and there is a lot more parity.

Actually Mid Major is a basketball term
Some interesting games start tomorrow with Princeton v. Loyola, Saturday with Maryland v. James Madison and Michigan v. Northwestern then Sunday with Notre Dame v. Duke.
Division I Women’s Lacrosse Players of the Week 3-22-22

Offensive Player of the Week

Maggi Hall – University of Florida

Hall accounted for three goals in the Gators 14-10 win over No. 3 Syracuse, tying her career-best mark. She added two caused turnovers and assisted on a goal in the win against ‘Cuse. The Gators held the Orange to its lowest scoring output of the season dropping Syracuse to No. 5 in the national rankings. Against Drexel, a team receiving votes in the poll, the sophomore attacker recorded a career-high six goals, including the game-tying goal with 1:00 left to play, helping the Gators to a 10-9 victory. With the 2-0 week, Florida has moved into the eleventh spot in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division I Poll this week.

Defensive Player of the Week

Sarah Reznick – University of Florida

In the win over No. 3 Syracuse, Reznick tallied 11 saves while only allowing 10 goals, recording a .524 save percentage in the matchup. The sophomore keeper followed that performance with eight saves (.471 save percentage) in the 10-9 win against Drexel. Reznick also picked up two ground balls and caused a turnover for the No. 11 Gators last week.
Division II Women’s Lacrosse Players of the Week 3-22-22

Offensive Player of the Week

Lindsey Brinkel – Roberts Wesleyan College

Brinkel scored 23 points over two games last week. She started the week with an eight-point (4 G, 4 A) performance in a tight loss to No. 2 Le Moyne. She followed with a 15-point outburst (5 G, 10 A) in a win over Bridgeport to begin ECC play. Her point and assist totals against UB were single-game highs in both the ECC and Division II so far this season. The Redhawks are now 4-2 and ranked No. 17 in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division II Poll this week.

Defensive Player of the Week

Kayleigh Pokrivka – East Stroudsburg University

Pokrivka caused an impressive 11 turnovers and scooped 11 ground balls in wins over Millersville and No. 15 Pace. Against Pace, she caused a turnover on the final possession of the game to seal the 12-11 comeback victory against the No. 15 ranked Setters. Pokrivka’s 20 caused turnovers and 21 ground balls this season lead the eighth-ranked Warriors.
Division III Women’s Lacrosse Players of the Week 3-22-22

Offensive Player of the Week

Emily Bruner – Rhodes College

The junior attacker set a Rhodes record with nine assists in the Lynx’s 23-2 win over Mount Holyoke. She also dished out eight helpers in a tight 17-15 win against Rowan and notched seven more in the 19-8 victory over Transylvania to cap off a 3-1 week for the Lynx. Bruner also added two goals and nine ground balls to her stat line for the week.

Defensive Player of the Week

Emily Kitchin – Franklin & Marshall College

Kitchin set the standard for the Diplomats in a 2-0 week, shutting down No. 19 Denison with 10 saves in a 20-10 victory, before picking up a second victory in F&M’s second game of the day. The senior keeper allowed just one goal while registering eight saves in a 19-3 win against Lynchburg. Kitchin registered a 7.21 goals against average and 62.1% save percentage for the Diplomats, who are now 5-1 and ranked sixth in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division III Poll this week.
Time for US lax to have refs to start calling dangerous propels/shots, it doesn’t have to hit a player. If they duck chances are a dangerous shot. (I have to laugh US lax magazine post a dangerous propel in SB game yesterday)

And most of all call all the charges. Give the defense a chance. No back into players. That is a charge.
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Time for US lax to have refs to start calling dangerous propels/shots, it doesn’t have to hit a player. If they duck chances are a dangerous shot. (I have to laugh US lax magazine post a dangerous propel in SB game yesterday)

And most of all call all the charges. Give the defense a chance. No back into players. That is a charge.


Officiating is terrible.
In addition to the above they must enforce 3 seconds on the zone teams or the womens game will never be fun to watch. A "stick length" isnt a stick plus 2 feet. SBU is always pushing the zone/3 second rule and getting away with it.
Intentional offsides to stop fast breaks should be a green card.

Additional changes that should be discussed post season
-Foul on draw. Defensive players should remain behind restraining line. Defense should not be allowed to run up and re-defend.
-Yellow/Green card-Similar to above. The team with possession should be allowed free clear.
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Time for US lax to have refs to start calling dangerous propels/shots, it doesn’t have to hit a player. If they duck chances are a dangerous shot. (I have to laugh US lax magazine post a dangerous propel in SB game yesterday)

And most of all call all the charges. Give the defense a chance. No back into players. That is a charge.


Officiating is terrible.
In addition to the above they must enforce 3 seconds on the zone teams or the womens game will never be fun to watch. A "stick length" isnt a stick plus 2 feet. SBU is always pushing the zone/3 second rule and getting away with it.
Intentional offsides to stop fast breaks should be a green card.

Additional changes that should be discussed post season
-Foul on draw. Defensive players should remain behind restraining line. Defense should not be allowed to run up and re-defend.
-Yellow/Green card-Similar to above. The team with possession should be allowed free clear.

I agree on all. Also, no free position shot unless you were in the act of shooting. Girl throws a buddy type pass into th 8 meter and defense called for contact foulf. They get avfree position shot. heck, they didn't even have the ball.
I agree with the above. I would remove 8M shot from game and add 1 minute man ups.

I also love on 8M as defenses can take there time positioning themselves. I think it was a foul on them. If the player shooting 8M is ready ref needs to blow whistle. (Hall from BC stepped out of the goal one time on 8M to wait for D to get placed, at least from TV that is what it looked like, maybe another thing going on).

US lacrosse has to do admit things are wrong and fix them. D gets rewarded for penalty?? Clock runs under 2 mins even if foul occurs. Really US lax.
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I agree with the above. I would remove 8M shot from game and add 1 minute man ups.

I also love on 8M as defenses can take there time positioning themselves. I think it was a foul on them. If the player shooting 8M is ready ref needs to blow whistle. (Hall from BC stepped out of the goal one time on 8M to wait for D to get placed, at least from TV that is what it looked like, maybe another thing going on).

US lacrosse has to do admit things are wrong and fix them. D gets rewarded for penalty?? Clock runs under 2 mins even if foul occurs. Really US lax.

Agree, many rules need to be changed and the majority of officials are not very good.
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Time for US lax to have refs to start calling dangerous propels/shots, it doesn’t have to hit a player. If they duck chances are a dangerous shot. (I have to laugh US lax magazine post a dangerous propel in SB game yesterday)

And most of all call all the charges. Give the defense a chance. No back into players. That is a charge.

Can't. North would get a charge on a 1/2 of her goals.
SOmeone on here just can't help but garbage on Charlotte North at every turn. Say what you want but she stays on her feet taking physical contact from multiple defenders consistently throughout games. She beats them with dodges and power. Unlike UNC offense which plays to the officials at every turn -have never seen such flopping from the UNC team in Sunday's game. Hard to watch and looks like they spend a lot of time in acting school.
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SOmeone on here just can't help but garbage on Charlotte North at every turn. Say what you want but she stays on her feet taking physical contact from multiple defenders consistently throughout games. She beats them with dodges and power. Unlike UNC offense which plays to the officials at every turn -have never seen such flopping from the UNC team in Sunday's game. Hard to watch and looks like they spend a lot of time in acting school.

Not sure I agree with your assessment of UNC but 100% agree with the North hater. I guess there could be more than one but I doubt it. I will chalk it up to jealousy. North is certainly one of the top players in the game and all but a few delusional parents know it.
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SOmeone on here just can't help but garbage on Charlotte North at every turn. Say what you want but she stays on her feet taking physical contact from multiple defenders consistently throughout games. She beats them with dodges and power. Unlike UNC offense which plays to the officials at every turn -have never seen such flopping from the UNC team in Sunday's game. Hard to watch and looks like they spend a lot of time in acting school.


detest to say it.....no team flops like SBU.
Let's talk about how to keep Men out of WOMEN's lacrosse. How do we prevent the NCAA from allowing Transgenders to compete with our daughters? We can't have a William/Lia Thomas body type compete. More power to anyone that wants to change their appearance, but these are full grown men, who cares if their testosterone levels are low now....
Glad to see US lax Refs have no clue again. Watching Loyola vs Princeton.

These refs can’t see the poke checking and slap checking by Loyola defense to Princeton attack.

They only see three cards on Princeton for rules that are meaningless
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Glad to see US lax Refs have no clue again. Watching Loyola vs Princeton.

These refs can’t see the poke checking and slap checking by Loyola defense to Princeton attack.

They only see three cards on Princeton for rules that are meaningless


Loyola's Detwiler is notorious for doing that. Its her signature move.
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SOmeone on here just can't help but garbage on Charlotte North at every turn. Say what you want but she stays on her feet taking physical contact from multiple defenders consistently throughout games. She beats them with dodges and power. Unlike UNC offense which plays to the officials at every turn -have never seen such flopping from the UNC team in Sunday's game. Hard to watch and looks like they spend a lot of time in acting school.

Not sure I agree with your assessment of UNC but 100% agree with the North hater. I guess there could be more than one but I doubt it. I will chalk it up to jealousy. North is certainly one of the top players in the game and all but a few delusional parents know it.
No offense but there is no one saying CN is not a unique talent but there are many who believe a dangerous shot , a charge , can be called on most of her shots . There are many who dislike her style of play ie a ball hog who clearly is out to get her goals regardless if it’s the right way to play from a teammate or sportsmanship point of view . It’s hilarious that you CN sycophants want the refs to call charges and dangerous propelling .
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SOmeone on here just can't help but garbage on Charlotte North at every turn. Say what you want but she stays on her feet taking physical contact from multiple defenders consistently throughout games. She beats them with dodges and power. Unlike UNC offense which plays to the officials at every turn -have never seen such flopping from the UNC team in Sunday's game. Hard to watch and looks like they spend a lot of time in acting school.

Not sure I agree with your assessment of UNC but 100% agree with the North hater. I guess there could be more than one but I doubt it. I will chalk it up to jealousy. North is certainly one of the top players in the game and all but a few delusional parents know it.
No offense but there is no one saying CN is not a unique talent but there are many who believe a dangerous shot , a charge , can be called on most of her shots . There are many who dislike her style of play ie a ball hog who clearly is out to get her goals regardless if it’s the right way to play from a teammate or sportsmanship point of view . It’s hilarious that you CN sycophants want the refs to call charges and dangerous propelling .

Dangerous shots yes…. Not sure about the Ball Hog accusation…. Not everyone who goes to goal or takes a lot of shots is a Ball Hog… she is a great player.
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SOmeone on here just can't help but garbage on Charlotte North at every turn. Say what you want but she stays on her feet taking physical contact from multiple defenders consistently throughout games. She beats them with dodges and power. Unlike UNC offense which plays to the officials at every turn -have never seen such flopping from the UNC team in Sunday's game. Hard to watch and looks like they spend a lot of time in acting school.

Not sure I agree with your assessment of UNC but 100% agree with the North hater. I guess there could be more than one but I doubt it. I will chalk it up to jealousy. North is certainly one of the top players in the game and all but a few delusional parents know it.
No offense but there is no one saying CN is not a unique talent but there are many who believe a dangerous shot , a charge , can be called on most of her shots . There are many who dislike her style of play ie a ball hog who clearly is out to get her goals regardless if it’s the right way to play from a teammate or sportsmanship point of view . It’s hilarious that you CN sycophants want the refs to call charges and dangerous propelling .

Dangerous shots yes…. Not sure about the Ball Hog accusation…. Not everyone who goes to goal or takes a lot of shots is a Ball Hog… she is a great player.

She has play 9 games, taken 75 shots, scored 45 goals for a 60% shooting percentage. That is 8.3 shots per game. She is not a volume shooter, she averages 2 shots per quarter and 60% is incredibly accurate. You might not like the "style" but ball hog is not supported by the data.
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SOmeone on here just can't help but garbage on Charlotte North at every turn. Say what you want but she stays on her feet taking physical contact from multiple defenders consistently throughout games. She beats them with dodges and power. Unlike UNC offense which plays to the officials at every turn -have never seen such flopping from the UNC team in Sunday's game. Hard to watch and looks like they spend a lot of time in acting school.

Not sure I agree with your assessment of UNC but 100% agree with the North hater. I guess there could be more than one but I doubt it. I will chalk it up to jealousy. North is certainly one of the top players in the game and all but a few delusional parents know it.
No offense but there is no one saying CN is not a unique talent but there are many who believe a dangerous shot , a charge , can be called on most of her shots . There are many who dislike her style of play ie a ball hog who clearly is out to get her goals regardless if it’s the right way to play from a teammate or sportsmanship point of view . It’s hilarious that you CN sycophants want the refs to call charges and dangerous propelling .

Dangerous shots yes…. Not sure about the Ball Hog accusation…. Not everyone who goes to goal or takes a lot of shots is a Ball Hog… she is a great player.

Good players, offensive players primarily attackers who take a lot of shots will put 70% and above of their shots on goal (the really good ones will be close to 80% SOG) and they will score on 50% or more of their shots (the really good ones will be close to 60%). When you see players taking a lot of shots and their Shots on goal is below .700 and their overall shooting percentage is below .500 they are probably a "Ball Hog" because they are taking shots that should not be taken. Drop below .400 and they should most likely should be moving the ball instead of going to the goal. CN is way up there at .803 and .591 for her career.
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SOmeone on here just can't help but garbage on Charlotte North at every turn. Say what you want but she stays on her feet taking physical contact from multiple defenders consistently throughout games. She beats them with dodges and power. Unlike UNC offense which plays to the officials at every turn -have never seen such flopping from the UNC team in Sunday's game. Hard to watch and looks like they spend a lot of time in acting school.

Not sure I agree with your assessment of UNC but 100% agree with the North hater. I guess there could be more than one but I doubt it. I will chalk it up to jealousy. North is certainly one of the top players in the game and all but a few delusional parents know it.
No offense but there is no one saying CN is not a unique talent but there are many who believe a dangerous shot , a charge , can be called on most of her shots . There are many who dislike her style of play ie a ball hog who clearly is out to get her goals regardless if it’s the right way to play from a teammate or sportsmanship point of view . It’s hilarious that you CN sycophants want the refs to call charges and dangerous propelling .

Dangerous shots yes…. Not sure about the Ball Hog accusation…. Not everyone who goes to goal or takes a lot of shots is a Ball Hog… she is a great player.

She has play 9 games, taken 75 shots, scored 45 goals for a 60% shooting percentage. That is 8.3 shots per game. She is not a volume shooter, she averages 2 shots per quarter and 60% is incredibly accurate. You might not like the "style" but ball hog is not supported by the data.


100% agree.
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SOmeone on here just can't help but garbage on Charlotte North at every turn. Say what you want but she stays on her feet taking physical contact from multiple defenders consistently throughout games. She beats them with dodges and power. Unlike UNC offense which plays to the officials at every turn -have never seen such flopping from the UNC team in Sunday's game. Hard to watch and looks like they spend a lot of time in acting school.

Not sure I agree with your assessment of UNC but 100% agree with the North hater. I guess there could be more than one but I doubt it. I will chalk it up to jealousy. North is certainly one of the top players in the game and all but a few delusional parents know it.
No offense but there is no one saying CN is not a unique talent but there are many who believe a dangerous shot , a charge , can be called on most of her shots . There are many who dislike her style of play ie a ball hog who clearly is out to get her goals regardless if it’s the right way to play from a teammate or sportsmanship point of view . It’s hilarious that you CN sycophants want the refs to call charges and dangerous propelling .

Dangerous shots yes…. Not sure about the Ball Hog accusation…. Not everyone who goes to goal or takes a lot of shots is a Ball Hog… she is a great player.

Good players, offensive players primarily attackers who take a lot of shots will put 70% and above of their shots on goal (the really good ones will be close to 80% SOG) and they will score on 50% or more of their shots (the really good ones will be close to 60%). When you see players taking a lot of shots and their Shots on goal is below .700 and their overall shooting percentage is below .500 they are probably a "Ball Hog" because they are taking shots that should not be taken. Drop below .400 and they should most likely should be moving the ball instead of going to the goal. CN is way up there at .803 and .591 for her career.
It's her style why most people detest her. Go congratulate a teammate every now and then for the pass instead of screaming like a viking everytime she scores a goal, and people will stop the detest. I don't think anyone denies the talent, they just don't like her.
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SOmeone on here just can't help but garbage on Charlotte North at every turn. Say what you want but she stays on her feet taking physical contact from multiple defenders consistently throughout games. She beats them with dodges and power. Unlike UNC offense which plays to the officials at every turn -have never seen such flopping from the UNC team in Sunday's game. Hard to watch and looks like they spend a lot of time in acting school.

Not sure I agree with your assessment of UNC but 100% agree with the North hater. I guess there could be more than one but I doubt it. I will chalk it up to jealousy. North is certainly one of the top players in the game and all but a few delusional parents know it.
No offense but there is no one saying CN is not a unique talent but there are many who believe a dangerous shot , a charge , can be called on most of her shots . There are many who dislike her style of play ie a ball hog who clearly is out to get her goals regardless if it’s the right way to play from a teammate or sportsmanship point of view . It’s hilarious that you CN sycophants want the refs to call charges and dangerous propelling .

Dangerous shots yes…. Not sure about the Ball Hog accusation…. Not everyone who goes to goal or takes a lot of shots is a Ball Hog… she is a great player.

Good players, offensive players primarily attackers who take a lot of shots will put 70% and above of their shots on goal (the really good ones will be close to 80% SOG) and they will score on 50% or more of their shots (the really good ones will be close to 60%). When you see players taking a lot of shots and their Shots on goal is below .700 and their overall shooting percentage is below .500 they are probably a "Ball Hog" because they are taking shots that should not be taken. Drop below .400 and they should most likely should be moving the ball instead of going to the goal. CN is way up there at .803 and .591 for her career.
It's her style why most people detest her. Go congratulate a teammate every now and then for the pass instead of screaming like a viking everytime she scores a goal, and people will stop the detest. I don't think anyone denies the talent, they just don't like her.
i'll be glad when she is done at BC then we don't have to listen to every announcer act like every ordinary play she makes is the greatest play of all time.
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SOmeone on here just can't help but garbage on Charlotte North at every turn. Say what you want but she stays on her feet taking physical contact from multiple defenders consistently throughout games. She beats them with dodges and power. Unlike UNC offense which plays to the officials at every turn -have never seen such flopping from the UNC team in Sunday's game. Hard to watch and looks like they spend a lot of time in acting school.

Not sure I agree with your assessment of UNC but 100% agree with the North hater. I guess there could be more than one but I doubt it. I will chalk it up to jealousy. North is certainly one of the top players in the game and all but a few delusional parents know it.
No offense but there is no one saying CN is not a unique talent but there are many who believe a dangerous shot , a charge , can be called on most of her shots . There are many who dislike her style of play ie a ball hog who clearly is out to get her goals regardless if it’s the right way to play from a teammate or sportsmanship point of view . It’s hilarious that you CN sycophants want the refs to call charges and dangerous propelling .

Dangerous shots yes…. Not sure about the Ball Hog accusation…. Not everyone who goes to goal or takes a lot of shots is a Ball Hog… she is a great player.

Good players, offensive players primarily attackers who take a lot of shots will put 70% and above of their shots on goal (the really good ones will be close to 80% SOG) and they will score on 50% or more of their shots (the really good ones will be close to 60%). When you see players taking a lot of shots and their Shots on goal is below .700 and their overall shooting percentage is below .500 they are probably a "Ball Hog" because they are taking shots that should not be taken. Drop below .400 and they should most likely should be moving the ball instead of going to the goal. CN is way up there at .803 and .591 for her career.
It's her style why most people detest her. Go congratulate a teammate every now and then for the pass instead of screaming like a viking everytime she scores a goal, and people will stop the detest. I don't think anyone denies the talent, they just don't like her.

She’s so obnoxious, with her celebrating. One thing to be a great player, which I agree she is and it’s another to be a great teammate and celebrate others, which I’m not sure about? I found myself rooting for UNC and I don’t usually. A team can not rely so much on one player. What happens next year?
[Not sure I agree with your assessment of UNC but 100% agree with the North hater. I guess there could be more than one but I doubt it. I will chalk it up to jealousy. North is certainly one of the top players in the game and all but a few delusional parents know it.[/quote]
No offense but there is no one saying CN is not a unique talent but there are many who believe a dangerous shot , a charge , can be called on most of her shots . There are many who dislike her style of play ie a ball hog who clearly is out to get her goals regardless if it’s the right way to play from a teammate or sportsmanship point of view . It’s hilarious that you CN sycophants want the refs to call charges and dangerous propelling .[/quote]

Dangerous shots yes…. Not sure about the Ball Hog accusation…. Not everyone who goes to goal or takes a lot of shots is a Ball Hog… she is a great player.[/quote]

Good players, offensive players primarily attackers who take a lot of shots will put 70% and above of their shots on goal (the really good ones will be close to 80% SOG) and they will score on 50% or more of their shots (the really good ones will be close to 60%). When you see players taking a lot of shots and their Shots on goal is below .700 and their overall shooting percentage is below .500 they are probably a "Ball Hog" because they are taking shots that should not be taken. Drop below .400 and they should most likely should be moving the ball instead of going to the goal. CN is way up there at .803 and .591 for her career.[/quote]
It's her style why most people detest her. Go congratulate a teammate every now and then for the pass instead of screaming like a viking everytime she scores a goal, and people will stop the detest. I don't think anyone denies the talent, they just don't like her.[/quote]

She’s so obnoxious, with her celebrating. One thing to be a great player, which I agree she is and it’s another to be a great teammate and celebrate others, which I’m not sure about? I found myself rooting for UNC and I don’t usually. A team can not rely so much on one player. What happens next year?[/quote]

Respectfully, Boston College is so much more than just one player. I remember vividly when they lost three title games in a row, many were throwing dirt on the future of the program. Appuzo, Kent and Arsenault were all graduating as well as key defenders. What happen the next year, BC wins a national championship. What is happening this season, they are ranked #2 and took #1 to the brink. If the BC roster uses their additional COVID year of eligibility, BC returns 16 of their top 17 goal scorers losing only North. Hall has another year of eligibility if she chooses and they have arguably the #1 2022 goalie coming in as well.
Respectfully, Boston College is so much more than just one player. I remember vividly when they lost three title games in a row, many were throwing dirt on the future of the program. Appuzo, Kent and Arsenault were all graduating as well as key defenders. What happen the next year, BC wins a national championship. What is happening this season, they are ranked #2 and took #1 to the brink. If the BC roster uses their additional COVID year of eligibility, BC returns 16 of their top 17 goal scorers losing only North. Hall has another year of eligibility if she chooses and they have arguably the #1 2022 goalie coming in as well.

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No one complains when the boys scream after a goal, with do people trash CN for doing it?

She's a completely different beast and even if you talk to the men's players, they recognize the abilities. heck, my college son sends me clips of her best shots at times and he was always staunchly anti-women's lacrosse (said it was boring, etc.). He now appreciates the game and players.

Also, I do agree, the team is more than CN. They have multiple threats available on the team, with a major one being the draw control abilities (thanks again, CN).

I will fully admit, even though I like her, I was cheering for NC to beat BC.
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SOmeone on here just can't help but garbage on Charlotte North at every turn. Say what you want but she stays on her feet taking physical contact from multiple defenders consistently throughout games. She beats them with dodges and power. Unlike UNC offense which plays to the officials at every turn -have never seen such flopping from the UNC team in Sunday's game. Hard to watch and looks like they spend a lot of time in acting school.

Not sure I agree with your assessment of UNC but 100% agree with the North hater. I guess there could be more than one but I doubt it. I will chalk it up to jealousy. North is certainly one of the top players in the game and all but a few delusional parents know it.
No offense but there is no one saying CN is not a unique talent but there are many who believe a dangerous shot , a charge , can be called on most of her shots . There are many who dislike her style of play ie a ball hog who clearly is out to get her goals regardless if it’s the right way to play from a teammate or sportsmanship point of view . It’s hilarious that you CN sycophants want the refs to call charges and dangerous propelling .

Dangerous shots yes…. Not sure about the Ball Hog accusation…. Not everyone who goes to goal or takes a lot of shots is a Ball Hog… she is a great player.

She has play 9 games, taken 75 shots, scored 45 goals for a 60% shooting percentage. That is 8.3 shots per game. She is not a volume shooter, she averages 2 shots per quarter and 60% is incredibly accurate. You might not like the "style" but ball hog is not supported by the data.

Somehow you conveniently didn't mention assists..which is a more accurate and true measuring stick of involving teammates than any of the other random stats you spat out. How many Assists does CN have this year? She doesn't pass. she doesn't have vision nor does she care enough to attempt to improve that part of her game. Shes more like carmelo anthony than a lebron james like some here try to make her out to be. Volume scorer. doesnt make her teammates better. Bell Smith who's a much more well rounded talent takes a backseat to CN because she wants to dominate the ball all the time. its one thing to dominate the ball and pass teammates open like a Katie Hoeg instead of just trying to bull over people for a goal like CN.
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No one complains when the boys scream after a goal, with do people trash CN for doing it?

She's a completely different beast and even if you talk to the men's players, they recognize the abilities. heck, my college son sends me clips of her best shots at times and he was always staunchly anti-women's lacrosse (said it was boring, etc.). He now appreciates the game and players.

Also, I do agree, the team is more than CN. They have multiple threats available on the team, with a major one being the draw control abilities (thanks again, CN).

I will fully admit, even though I like her, I was cheering for NC to beat BC.

It’s not just about her screaming which yes boys do as well. She never looks to her teammates. Always runs off by herself to get the look at me celebration on camera. Been watching her score hundreds of goals. Go back one time where her first thing is to congratulate a teammate on a making a pass. It doesn’t happen. Ever. She’s a great goal scorer, absolutely. But you can be a goal scorer, celebrate and look to your teammates. Ie Apuzzo.
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No one complains when the boys scream after a goal, with do people trash CN for doing it?

She's a completely different beast and even if you talk to the men's players, they recognize the abilities. heck, my college son sends me clips of her best shots at times and he was always staunchly anti-women's lacrosse (said it was boring, etc.). He now appreciates the game and players.

Also, I do agree, the team is more than CN. They have multiple threats available on the team, with a major one being the draw control abilities (thanks again, CN).

I will fully admit, even though I like her, I was cheering for NC to beat BC.

It’s not just about her screaming which yes boys do as well. She never looks to her teammates. Always runs off by herself to get the look at me celebration on camera. Been watching her score hundreds of goals. Go back one time where her first thing is to congratulate a teammate on a making a pass. It doesn’t happen. Ever. She’s a great goal scorer, absolutely. But you can be a goal scorer, celebrate and look to your teammates. Ie Apuzzo.
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No one complains when the boys scream after a goal, with do people trash CN for doing it?

She's a completely different beast and even if you talk to the men's players, they recognize the abilities. heck, my college son sends me clips of her best shots at times and he was always staunchly anti-women's lacrosse (said it was boring, etc.). He now appreciates the game and players.

Also, I do agree, the team is more than CN. They have multiple threats available on the team, with a major one being the draw control abilities (thanks again, CN).

I will fully admit, even though I like her, I was cheering for NC to beat BC.

It’s not just about her screaming which yes boys do as well. She never looks to her teammates. Always runs off by herself to get the look at me celebration on camera. Been watching her score hundreds of goals. Go back one time where her first thing is to congratulate a teammate on a making a pass. It doesn’t happen. Ever. She’s a great goal scorer, absolutely. But you can be a goal scorer, celebrate and look to your teammates. Ie Apuzzo.

This is getting old.
It'll be a lot different without north. Easy to be option 2,3 or 4 when they are sending a dbl or triple to North. Time will tell enjoy her play for now.
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It'll be a lot different without north. Easy to be option 2,3 or 4 when they are sending a dbl or triple to North. Time will tell enjoy her play for now.

Sorry. Not sorry, she’s not that enjoyable to watch! Obnoxious and not rooting for her! Her personality takes over that team and I’m like not watching BC play anymore!
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No one complains when the boys scream after a goal, with do people trash CN for doing it?

She's a completely different beast and even if you talk to the men's players, they recognize the abilities. heck, my college son sends me clips of her best shots at times and he was always staunchly anti-women's lacrosse (said it was boring, etc.). He now appreciates the game and players.

Also, I do agree, the team is more than CN. They have multiple threats available on the team, with a major one being the draw control abilities (thanks again, CN).

I will fully admit, even though I like her, I was cheering for NC to beat BC.

It’s not just about her screaming which yes boys do as well. She never looks to her teammates. Always runs off by herself to get the look at me celebration on camera. Been watching her score hundreds of goals. Go back one time where her first thing is to congratulate a teammate on a making a pass. It doesn’t happen. Ever. She’s a great goal scorer, absolutely. But you can be a goal scorer, celebrate and look to your teammates. Ie Apuzzo.
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No one complains when the boys scream after a goal, with do people trash CN for doing it?

She's a completely different beast and even if you talk to the men's players, they recognize the abilities. heck, my college son sends me clips of her best shots at times and he was always staunchly anti-women's lacrosse (said it was boring, etc.). He now appreciates the game and players.

Also, I do agree, the team is more than CN. They have multiple threats available on the team, with a major one being the draw control abilities (thanks again, CN).

I will fully admit, even though I like her, I was cheering for NC to beat BC.

It’s not just about her screaming which yes boys do as well. She never looks to her teammates. Always runs off by herself to get the look at me celebration on camera. Been watching her score hundreds of goals. Go back one time where her first thing is to congratulate a teammate on a making a pass. It doesn’t happen. Ever. She’s a great goal scorer, absolutely. But you can be a goal scorer, celebrate and look to your teammates. Ie Apuzzo.

This is getting old.
She could be a little bit socially awkward? Thats all. It happens.
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It'll be a lot different without north. Easy to be option 2,3 or 4 when they are sending a dbl or triple to North. Time will tell enjoy her play for now.

I understand your point, but there is precedent that says they will be ok. The lax community to BC after the 2019 season... Things are going to be a lot different now without Appuzo, Kent and Arsenault.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSL6LmZvyWs
All of this nonsense is nothing more than jealousy, way too many parents just can't stand it when someone is better than their daughter and receives more attention and accolades. All they want to do is tear down and try to diminish the player, the school, the team the accomplishments and the accolades. Just look at what happens when Inside Lacrosse HS player rankings come out, look at what happens when UA Underclass teams are selected, listen to what people say when players commit to college etc... In this case, they can't deny the talent, athleticism or ability of the player so the attack the player personally.
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All of this nonsense is nothing more than jealousy, way too many parents just can't stand it when someone is better than their daughter and receives more attention and accolades. All they want to do is tear down and try to diminish the player, the school, the team the accomplishments and the accolades. Just look at what happens when Inside Lacrosse HS player rankings come out, look at what happens when UA Underclass teams are selected, listen to what people say when players commit to college etc... In this case, they can't deny the talent, athleticism or ability of the player so the attack the player personally.

That’s just the go to statement of the unoriginal lacrosse cancel culture . There are many great players who just about all have only positive things to say . Sam Apuzzo and Kayla Treanor come to mind . Your long winded response above is ridiculous.
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All of this nonsense is nothing more than jealousy, way too many parents just can't stand it when someone is better than their daughter and receives more attention and accolades. All they want to do is tear down and try to diminish the player, the school, the team the accomplishments and the accolades. Just look at what happens when Inside Lacrosse HS player rankings come out, look at what happens when UA Underclass teams are selected, listen to what people say when players commit to college etc... In this case, they can't deny the talent, athleticism or ability of the player so the attack the player personally.

Not attacking her personally , and not denying that she’s a great talent. Just saying her antics on the lacrosse field make it hard to watch her in a team sport. I’m thinking with her personality, maybe a sport with an “i” like tennis could be a better fit?
The video link says it all. CN is all about "Look at me." Ortega scores and celebrates with her teammates. Great player, but the negative attention towards CN's antics are definitely somewhat warranted.
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The video link says it all. CN is all about "Look at me." Ortega scores and celebrates with her teammates. Great player, but the negative attention towards CN's antics are definitely somewhat warranted.

Definitely, and I’m worried about the take on it by the younger girls. They want to be CN now on the field, as she gets the most accolades and called the best player! It’s Going to make for a much more selfish playing era coming up for those rising.

The showcases and prospect camps should be very interesting as everyone going to be more selfish, even more than normal at these things. They think every coach looking for the next CN. I think Jamie Ortega would be better to aspire to be like. I like her personality as a team player and think her to be more of a better role model on the field, for the younger girls.
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All of this nonsense is nothing more than jealousy, way too many parents just can't stand it when someone is better than their daughter and receives more attention and accolades. All they want to do is tear down and try to diminish the player, the school, the team the accomplishments and the accolades. Just look at what happens when Inside Lacrosse HS player rankings come out, look at what happens when UA Underclass teams are selected, listen to what people say when players commit to college etc... In this case, they can't deny the talent, athleticism or ability of the player so the attack the player personally.

That’s just the go to statement of the unoriginal lacrosse cancel culture . There are many great players who just about all have only positive things to say . Sam Apuzzo and Kayla Treanor come to mind . Your long winded response above is ridiculous.

It's actually pretty accurate. I have witnessed delusional parents tearing down children since my daughter was in the third grade.
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All of this nonsense is nothing more than jealousy, way too many parents just can't stand it when someone is better than their daughter and receives more attention and accolades. All they want to do is tear down and try to diminish the player, the school, the team the accomplishments and the accolades. Just look at what happens when Inside Lacrosse HS player rankings come out, look at what happens when UA Underclass teams are selected, listen to what people say when players commit to college etc... In this case, they can't deny the talent, athleticism or ability of the player so the attack the player personally.

That’s just the go to statement of the unoriginal lacrosse cancel culture . There are many great players who just about all have only positive things to say . Sam Apuzzo and Kayla Treanor come to mind . Your long winded response above is ridiculous.

It's actually pretty accurate. I have witnessed delusional parents tearing down children since my daughter was in the third grade.

Another ridiculous response , no one cares that you are too cowardly to call out these delusional parents , actually you should be disgusted with yourself . The fact that some feel CN is not a player they want their daughters to emulate has nothing to do with jealousy . Her style of play is all about her and she has shown poor sportsmanship since playing in college , it’s not even debatable.
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All of this nonsense is nothing more than jealousy, way too many parents just can't stand it when someone is better than their daughter and receives more attention and accolades. All they want to do is tear down and try to diminish the player, the school, the team the accomplishments and the accolades. Just look at what happens when Inside Lacrosse HS player rankings come out, look at what happens when UA Underclass teams are selected, listen to what people say when players commit to college etc... In this case, they can't deny the talent, athleticism or ability of the player so the attack the player personally.

That’s just the go to statement of the unoriginal lacrosse cancel culture . There are many great players who just about all have only positive things to say . Sam Apuzzo and Kayla Treanor come to mind . Your long winded response above is ridiculous.

It's actually pretty accurate. I have witnessed delusional parents tearing down children since my daughter was in the third grade.

Another ridiculous response , no one cares that you are too cowardly to call out these delusional parents , actually you should be disgusted with yourself . The fact that some feel CN is not a player they want their daughters to emulate has nothing to do with jealousy . Her style of play is all about her and she has shown poor sportsmanship since playing in college , it’s not even debatable.

Exactly! She gets all kinds of accolades for her selfish playing and is named the best player. What message is this sending? You don’t need to be a team player in womens lacrosse? This is not jealousy, just wondering what message it’s sending to the youth?
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All of this nonsense is nothing more than jealousy, way too many parents just can't stand it when someone is better than their daughter and receives more attention and accolades. All they want to do is tear down and try to diminish the player, the school, the team the accomplishments and the accolades. Just look at what happens when Inside Lacrosse HS player rankings come out, look at what happens when UA Underclass teams are selected, listen to what people say when players commit to college etc... In this case, they can't deny the talent, athleticism or ability of the player so the attack the player personally.

That’s just the go to statement of the unoriginal lacrosse cancel culture . There are many great players who just about all have only positive things to say . Sam Apuzzo and Kayla Treanor come to mind . Your long winded response above is ridiculous.

It's actually pretty accurate. I have witnessed delusional parents tearing down children since my daughter was in the third grade.

Another ridiculous response , no one cares that you are too cowardly to call out these delusional parents , actually you should be disgusted with yourself . The fact that some feel CN is not a player they want their daughters to emulate has nothing to do with jealousy . Her style of play is all about her and she has shown poor sportsmanship since playing in college , it’s not even debatable.

Wow, "cowardly"... this from the person who believes it is courageous to "call out" a young woman on an anonymous forum because you do not like the way she plays a game. Talk about delusional. If you do not like the way she plays, stop watching her and if you do not want your daughter to be like her than do your job as a parent. Hopefully you do not teach your daughter to anonymously bash people online (who have done nothing to you) and then pound your chest about how virtuous you are. Yes, I would say coward describes you perfectly.
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All of this nonsense is nothing more than jealousy, way too many parents just can't stand it when someone is better than their daughter and receives more attention and accolades. All they want to do is tear down and try to diminish the player, the school, the team the accomplishments and the accolades. Just look at what happens when Inside Lacrosse HS player rankings come out, look at what happens when UA Underclass teams are selected, listen to what people say when players commit to college etc... In this case, they can't deny the talent, athleticism or ability of the player so the attack the player personally.

That’s just the go to statement of the unoriginal lacrosse cancel culture . There are many great players who just about all have only positive things to say . Sam Apuzzo and Kayla Treanor come to mind . Your long winded response above is ridiculous.

It's actually pretty accurate. I have witnessed delusional parents tearing down children since my daughter was in the third grade.

Another ridiculous response , no one cares that you are too cowardly to call out these delusional parents , actually you should be disgusted with yourself . The fact that some feel CN is not a player they want their daughters to emulate has nothing to do with jealousy . Her style of play is all about her and she has shown poor sportsmanship since playing in college , it’s not even debatable.

Exactly! She gets all kinds of accolades for her selfish playing and is named the best player. What message is this sending? You don’t need to be a team player in womens lacrosse? This is not jealousy, just wondering what message it’s sending to the youth?

Obviously you know very little about the sport, she is not a selfish player, she is playing her role and doing exactly what her coaches want her to do. Just because she scores a lot of goals does not mean she is a selfish player. The selfish players are the ones who try to do what CN does but do not have the ability to do so, they are the ones who hurt their team because they go to the goal and take shots when they should not. They shoot into the goalies stick and although it does not show up as a turnover that is exactly what it is. These same players will generally have a below average shooting percentage and will hinder their own teammates and hurt the team. The crazy part is these players (and the parents) will be happy if the they come away with a goal or two on 8 shots even if the team loses. Parents complaining about a player because they do not like the way a player reacts after she scores a goal is a bit crazy. Try to justify your attacks however you like but as a previous post pointed out all of the attacks are rooted in jealousy.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of this nonsense is nothing more than jealousy, way too many parents just can't stand it when someone is better than their daughter and receives more attention and accolades. All they want to do is tear down and try to diminish the player, the school, the team the accomplishments and the accolades. Just look at what happens when Inside Lacrosse HS player rankings come out, look at what happens when UA Underclass teams are selected, listen to what people say when players commit to college etc... In this case, they can't deny the talent, athleticism or ability of the player so the attack the player personally.

That’s just the go to statement of the unoriginal lacrosse cancel culture . There are many great players who just about all have only positive things to say . Sam Apuzzo and Kayla Treanor come to mind . Your long winded response above is ridiculous.

It's actually pretty accurate. I have witnessed delusional parents tearing down children since my daughter was in the third grade.

Another ridiculous response , no one cares that you are too cowardly to call out these delusional parents , actually you should be disgusted with yourself . The fact that some feel CN is not a player they want their daughters to emulate has nothing to do with jealousy . Her style of play is all about her and she has shown poor sportsmanship since playing in college , it’s not even debatable.

Good grief, your self righteousness is getting old. If the BC coach thought she was hurting the team I’m sure she would address any issues if they existed. If you do not like her style of play do not watch her. Whining about your perception of reality is a bit much. She is a great player, I will leave it up to her coaches and teammates to determine what type of teammate she is.
Obviously you know very little about the sport, she is not a selfish player, she is playing her role and doing exactly what her coaches want her to do. Just because she scores a lot of goals does not mean she is a selfish player. The selfish players are the ones who try to do what CN does but do not have the ability to do so, they are the ones who hurt their team because they go to the goal and take shots when they should not. They shoot into the goalies stick and although it does not show up as a turnover that is exactly what it is. These same players will generally have a below average shooting percentage and will hinder their own teammates and hurt the team. The crazy part is these players (and the parents) will be happy if the they come away with a goal or two on 8 shots even if the team loses. Parents complaining about a player because they do not like the way a player reacts after she scores a goal is a bit crazy. Try to justify your attacks however you like but as a previous post pointed out all of the attacks are rooted in jealousy.

Kinda hurt them vs UNC when she forced it trying to go through three down one. Had another 4 goals today. (36% shooting 😬)
Congrats to JMU!
Pitt hanging with BC.
What's up with Penn?
GTown coach has to go.
PSU, talk about up and down.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of this nonsense is nothing more than jealousy, way too many parents just can't stand it when someone is better than their daughter and receives more attention and accolades. All they want to do is tear down and try to diminish the player, the school, the team the accomplishments and the accolades. Just look at what happens when Inside Lacrosse HS player rankings come out, look at what happens when UA Underclass teams are selected, listen to what people say when players commit to college etc... In this case, they can't deny the talent, athleticism or ability of the player so the attack the player personally.

That’s just the go to statement of the unoriginal lacrosse cancel culture . There are many great players who just about all have only positive things to say . Sam Apuzzo and Kayla Treanor come to mind . Your long winded response above is ridiculous.

It's actually pretty accurate. I have witnessed delusional parents tearing down children since my daughter was in the third grade.

Another ridiculous response , no one cares that you are too cowardly to call out these delusional parents , actually you should be disgusted with yourself . The fact that some feel CN is not a player they want their daughters to emulate has nothing to do with jealousy . Her style of play is all about her and she has shown poor sportsmanship since playing in college , it’s not even debatable.

Wow, "cowardly"... this from the person who believes it is courageous to "call out" a young woman on an anonymous forum because you do not like the way she plays a game. Talk about delusional. If you do not like the way she plays, stop watching her and if you do not want your daughter to be like her than do your job as a parent. Hopefully you do not teach your daughter to anonymously bash people online (who have done nothing to you) and then pound your chest about how virtuous you are. Yes, I would say coward describes you perfectly.

This from the flaccid coward who says nothing when they hear adults “ tearing down “ little girls . I did not bash CN on a personal level I just stated I don’t like her style of play and yes it was stated anonymously on a lacrosse forum , if you don’t like it then don’t come onto a lacrosse forum . As far as the coaches addressing a players unsportsmanlike celebrations and me first style of play , it’s been done before so now all the player needs to do is transfer instead of listening .
BC v Pitt not a bad game. Pitt played well. But in a game like that why would BC not play your starting goalie? Is Hall injuried?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Maryland wins the National Championship, Aurora Cordingley will win The Tewaaraton Award.

Neither of those are going to happen. After watching the front runners of Ortega and North this past weekend play against over matched opponents like they only care about their stats I hope a defender or two way middy wins the award .The ball hogging gets old.

Maryland has as much of a chance as any team to win the championship. Cordingley has as much of a chance as any player. While I believe good two way middies, defenders and goalies are more important to a teams success it is more difficult to quantify their value. Would love to see true midfielder, defender who plays man to man or a goalie win it.


Sorry but give the Maryland thing a rest they have not beaten anyone the teams they have played are a combined 16- 29 and all of them are below 500 . AC not even close the top of the list and yes is putting up good numbers but against who ?


They dominated Florida, who just beat the #3 team last night. Got a nice road win vs UVA. Has multiple players that can score.
No reason to think they aren't a Final Four contender.


That didn’t age well . Now you have a reason .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of this nonsense is nothing more than jealousy, way too many parents just can't stand it when someone is better than their daughter and receives more attention and accolades. All they want to do is tear down and try to diminish the player, the school, the team the accomplishments and the accolades. Just look at what happens when Inside Lacrosse HS player rankings come out, look at what happens when UA Underclass teams are selected, listen to what people say when players commit to college etc... In this case, they can't deny the talent, athleticism or ability of the player so the attack the player personally.

That’s just the go to statement of the unoriginal lacrosse cancel culture . There are many great players who just about all have only positive things to say . Sam Apuzzo and Kayla Treanor come to mind . Your long winded response above is ridiculous.

It's actually pretty accurate. I have witnessed delusional parents tearing down children since my daughter was in the third grade.

Another ridiculous response , no one cares that you are too cowardly to call out these delusional parents , actually you should be disgusted with yourself . The fact that some feel CN is not a player they want their daughters to emulate has nothing to do with jealousy . Her style of play is all about her and she has shown poor sportsmanship since playing in college , it’s not even debatable.

Good grief, your self righteousness is getting old. If the BC coach thought she was hurting the team I’m sure she would address any issues if they existed. If you do not like her style of play do not watch her. Whining about your perception of reality is a bit much. She is a great player, I will leave it up to her coaches and teammates to determine what type of teammate she is.

What a bunch of drivel . Your on a lacrosse forum , talking about a players style of play or on field decision making or Sportsmanship is part of it . If you think her teammates like her style of play then it’s interesting she had to address the team apologizing for it . My understanding is she is a great person and very personable I just find her celebrations after scoring her 6 th goal of the day when BC is up by 10 objectionable but I guess that’s something people like you enjoy .
https://twitter.com/BedfordYouthLax/status/1506409796831961091?s=20&t=1uSglOFkeF7-27DH7IC1qw

Say that again????
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of this nonsense is nothing more than jealousy, way too many parents just can't stand it when someone is better than their daughter and receives more attention and accolades. All they want to do is tear down and try to diminish the player, the school, the team the accomplishments and the accolades. Just look at what happens when Inside Lacrosse HS player rankings come out, look at what happens when UA Underclass teams are selected, listen to what people say when players commit to college etc... In this case, they can't deny the talent, athleticism or ability of the player so the attack the player personally.

That’s just the go to statement of the unoriginal lacrosse cancel culture . There are many great players who just about all have only positive things to say . Sam Apuzzo and Kayla Treanor come to mind . Your long winded response above is ridiculous.

It's actually pretty accurate. I have witnessed delusional parents tearing down children since my daughter was in the third grade.

Another ridiculous response , no one cares that you are too cowardly to call out these delusional parents , actually you should be disgusted with yourself . The fact that some feel CN is not a player they want their daughters to emulate has nothing to do with jealousy . Her style of play is all about her and she has shown poor sportsmanship since playing in college , it’s not even debatable.

Good grief, your self righteousness is getting old. If the BC coach thought she was hurting the team I’m sure she would address any issues if they existed. If you do not like her style of play do not watch her. Whining about your perception of reality is a bit much. She is a great player, I will leave it up to her coaches and teammates to determine what type of teammate she is.

What a bunch of drivel . Your on a lacrosse forum , talking about a players style of play or on field decision making or Sportsmanship is part of it . If you think her teammates like her style of play then it’s interesting she had to address the team apologizing for it . My understanding is she is a great person and very personable I just find her celebrations after scoring her 6 th goal of the day when BC is up by 10 objectionable but I guess that’s something people like you enjoy .

Yes, I think it’s ok to talk about a woman lacrosse player regarding her lacrosse playing style. She’s not a child and it doesn’t seem anyone discussing her personally or attacking her that way. She is on a public stage and in the national spotlight. She seems to enjoy the spotlight as well. So, if people want to make the opinion they feel she plays selfishly, they have that right and I doubt it’s about jealousy. It’s observation and opinion.

My issue was her type of playing and being rewarded as best player for it? Wondering how younger players perceive it? Will it make them want to play more selfishly, and for their own personal goals. I think a Fair point open for discussion on a lacrosse forum.

What is the point of this ?
Originally Posted by TheBackOfTheCage
Please use this thread to discuss the 2022 Women's DI-III College Lacrosse Season


Previous Posts from the 2021-2022 College Season thread:

Who wins it this year? Does North repeat as Tew winner? What players emerge to lead teams vs last year? Who will lead the freshmen class(lots of redshirts last year)?


Comes down to who wins the duel between Hall and Moreno. Great goalie play making a difference in the tourney in a key spot has been the key to the last two champs (Megan Taylor and UMD in 2019 and Rachel Hall as discussed here).

_________________________________________________________

Who wins it this year? Does North repeat as Tew winner? What players emerge to lead teams vs last year? Who will lead the freshmen class(lots of redshirts last year)?

It is doubtful that BC Repeats as Champions.

I think UNC is the favorite, regardless of the rankings.

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Would be shocked if both UNC and BC don't make the Final Four. Would also be shocked if either Cuse, UNC or BC don't win it all. It comes down to who gets hot down the stretch of the season. UNC as always will have the best talent but do they play unselfishly as a team and can they overcome their average coaching?

why did 3 BC players get suspended last week vs PITT
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Maryland wins the National Championship, Aurora Cordingley will win The Tewaaraton Award.

Neither of those are going to happen. After watching the front runners of Ortega and North this past weekend play against over matched opponents like they only care about their stats I hope a defender or two way middy wins the award .The ball hogging gets old.

Maryland has as much of a chance as any team to win the championship. Cordingley has as much of a chance as any player. While I believe good two way middies, defenders and goalies are more important to a teams success it is more difficult to quantify their value. Would love to see true midfielder, defender who plays man to man or a goalie win it.


Sorry but give the Maryland thing a rest they have not beaten anyone the teams they have played are a combined 16- 29 and all of them are below 500 . AC not even close the top of the list and yes is putting up good numbers but against who ?


They dominated Florida, who just beat the #3 team last night. Got a nice road win vs UVA. Has multiple players that can score.
No reason to think they aren't a Final Four contender.


That didn’t age well . Now you have a reason .


3 BC players got suspended last week vs PITT. Any one hear anything? 1 was starter for sure, IDK about the others.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by TheBackOfTheCage
Please use this thread to discuss the 2022 Women's DI-III College Lacrosse Season


Previous Posts from the 2021-2022 College Season thread:

Who wins it this year? Does North repeat as Tew winner? What players emerge to lead teams vs last year? Who will lead the freshmen class(lots of redshirts last year)?


Comes down to who wins the duel between Hall and Moreno. Great goalie play making a difference in the tourney in a key spot has been the key to the last two champs (Megan Taylor and UMD in 2019 and Rachel Hall as discussed here).

_________________________________________________________

Who wins it this year? Does North repeat as Tew winner? What players emerge to lead teams vs last year? Who will lead the freshmen class(lots of redshirts last year)?

It is doubtful that BC Repeats as Champions.

I think UNC is the favorite, regardless of the rankings.

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Most Recent Post:

Would be shocked if both UNC and BC don't make the Final Four. Would also be shocked if either Cuse, UNC or BC don't win it all. It comes down to who gets hot down the stretch of the season. UNC as always will have the best talent but do they play unselfishly as a team and can they overcome their average coaching?

why did 3 BC players get suspended last week vs PITT
^it's no one's business
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by TheBackOfTheCage
Please use this thread to discuss the 2022 Women's DI-III College Lacrosse Season


Previous Posts from the 2021-2022 College Season thread:

Who wins it this year? Does North repeat as Tew winner? What players emerge to lead teams vs last year? Who will lead the freshmen class(lots of redshirts last year)?


Comes down to who wins the duel between Hall and Moreno. Great goalie play making a difference in the tourney in a key spot has been the key to the last two champs (Megan Taylor and UMD in 2019 and Rachel Hall as discussed here).

_________________________________________________________

Who wins it this year? Does North repeat as Tew winner? What players emerge to lead teams vs last year? Who will lead the freshmen class(lots of redshirts last year)?

It is doubtful that BC Repeats as Champions.

I think UNC is the favorite, regardless of the rankings.

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Most Recent Post:

Would be shocked if both UNC and BC don't make the Final Four. Would also be shocked if either Cuse, UNC or BC don't win it all. It comes down to who gets hot down the stretch of the season. UNC as always will have the best talent but do they play unselfishly as a team and can they overcome their average coaching?

why did 3 BC players get suspended last week vs PITT
^it's no one's business

If it happened during a game or something they did in a game? Why isn’t it anyones business?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by TheBackOfTheCage
Please use this thread to discuss the 2022 Women's DI-III College Lacrosse Season


Previous Posts from the 2021-2022 College Season thread:

Who wins it this year? Does North repeat as Tew winner? What players emerge to lead teams vs last year? Who will lead the freshmen class(lots of redshirts last year)?


Comes down to who wins the duel between Hall and Moreno. Great goalie play making a difference in the tourney in a key spot has been the key to the last two champs (Megan Taylor and UMD in 2019 and Rachel Hall as discussed here).

_________________________________________________________

Who wins it this year? Does North repeat as Tew winner? What players emerge to lead teams vs last year? Who will lead the freshmen class(lots of redshirts last year)?

It is doubtful that BC Repeats as Champions.

I think UNC is the favorite, regardless of the rankings.

___________________________________________________________
Most Recent Post:

Would be shocked if both UNC and BC don't make the Final Four. Would also be shocked if either Cuse, UNC or BC don't win it all. It comes down to who gets hot down the stretch of the season. UNC as always will have the best talent but do they play unselfishly as a team and can they overcome their average coaching?

why did 3 BC players get suspended last week vs PITT
^it's no one's business

If it happened during a game or something they did in a game? Why isn’t it anyones business?
Why would it be your business? Are they your daughters? If it was something in a game, it would be public knowledge - otherwise, it's none of your business or anyone's for that matter.
"Why would it be your business? Are they your daughters? If it was something in a game, it would be public knowledge - otherwise, it's none of your business or anyone's for that matter."

Again your on a lacrosse forum so speaking about the alleged suspension of players from a game is not exactly taboo. Hearsay is that some lost faked his way into a live chat with one of the Duke players and he was doing completely inappropriate things , some of the BC players filmed it and diseminated it. They should have known better but honestly the schools involved should be pushing the authorities to go after the freak who falsely used a players name to get onto the chat.
What happened at BC? I saw Hall didn’t play but I didn’t realize it was a suspension that involved 3 players. Well as the poster said if someone hacked there system and they have nothing to do with it why the suspension? That seems unfair to the players? Unless more to it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened at BC? I saw Hall didn’t play but I didn’t realize it was a suspension that involved 3 players. Well as the poster said if someone hacked there system and they have nothing to do with it why the suspension? That seems unfair to the players? Unless more to it.

Ok, so it doesn’t seem suspension is lacrosse related, other than the fact it involves players. I agree, that it should be between the school and the students. It’s a Personal matter.
Yes. allot more to it.
thats why they got suspended.
who transferred from Duke? Hmmm
looks like someone with duke knowledge hacked into duke system during interview with a duke player and posted a picture..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened at BC? I saw Hall didn’t play but I didn’t realize it was a suspension that involved 3 players. Well as the poster said if someone hacked there system and they have nothing to do with it why the suspension? That seems unfair to the players? Unless more to it.

They don't suspend someone for nothing. could have been more girls suspended, I smell cover up. Who played at Duke?
If the suspension was unwarranted what recourse would they have.
Kind of why the none of your business thing just does not work eventually the story gets out but it’s usually incorrect . Usually best for the program to put out a statement even if minus the names .
Some great games this week. Tuesday has Cuse v. Loyola and Stony Brook v. Princeton which is their last chance during the regular season to prove their ranking is anywhere near the top 10. Thursday gets an interesting Rutgers v. Michigan.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened at BC? I saw Hall didn’t play but I didn’t realize it was a suspension that involved 3 players. Well as the poster said if someone hacked there system and they have nothing to do with it why the suspension? That seems unfair to the players? Unless more to it.

They don't suspend someone for nothing. could have been more girls suspended, I smell cover up. Who played at Duke?


I would be really careful about making accusations like that.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
who transferred from Duke? Hmmm


I would be really careful about making accusations like that.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
who transferred from Duke? Hmmm

BOTC moderators, please do not let someone make these accusations...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened at BC? I saw Hall didn’t play but I didn’t realize it was a suspension that involved 3 players. Well as the poster said if someone hacked there system and they have nothing to do with it why the suspension? That seems unfair to the players? Unless more to it.

They don't suspend someone for nothing. could have been more girls suspended, I smell cover up. Who played at Duke?


BOTC moderators, please do not let someone make these accusations...
Yes! Someone is being very irresponsible with their comments. Why don’t we wait to let facts come out. Don’t insinuate anyone had anything to do with this unless you absolutely know. These are young women and their futures. Please don’t point fingers at them. Stop being an stunad and let the team and girls handle their personal business. This sounds like nothing to do with lacrosse. So stop with the accusations on here.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes! Someone is being very irresponsible with their comments. Why don’t we wait to let facts come out. Don’t insinuate anyone had anything to do with this unless you absolutely know. These are young women and their futures. Please don’t point fingers at them. Stop being an stunad and let the team and girls handle their personal business. This sounds like nothing to do with lacrosse. So stop with the accusations on here.
EXACTLY! Back to “it’s no one’s business”!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes! Someone is being very irresponsible with their comments. Why don’t we wait to let facts come out. Don’t insinuate anyone had anything to do with this unless you absolutely know. These are young women and their futures. Please don’t point fingers at them. Stop being an stunad and let the team and girls handle their personal business. This sounds like nothing to do with lacrosse. So stop with the accusations on here.
EXACTLY! Back to “it’s no one’s business”!

IMO… This forum should be lacrosse related post. No one should be talking about young women players personal stuff. That should be off limits. So, Let’s keep it classy.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes! Someone is being very irresponsible with their comments. Why don’t we wait to let facts come out. Don’t insinuate anyone had anything to do with this unless you absolutely know. These are young women and their futures. Please don’t point fingers at them. Stop being an stunad and let the team and girls handle their personal business. This sounds like nothing to do with lacrosse. So stop with the accusations on here.
EXACTLY! Back to “it’s no one’s business”!

That is complete nonsense. What happened is disgusting and many young women and some minors were subjected to some vile behavior, their parents have a right to know how this happened and what is being done about it.
In my kids school my D would be off the team . Not just suspended for 1 game .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes! Someone is being very irresponsible with their comments. Why don’t we wait to let facts come out. Don’t insinuate anyone had anything to do with this unless you absolutely know. These are young women and their futures. Please don’t point fingers at them. Stop being an stunad and let the team and girls handle their personal business. This sounds like nothing to do with lacrosse. So stop with the accusations on here.
EXACTLY! Back to “it’s no one’s business”!

That is complete nonsense. What happened is disgusting and many young women and some minors were subjected to some vile behavior, their parents have a right to know how this happened and what is being done about it.

You seem to be unable to separate the two. The issue, what happened and how BC handled it seems fair to me. Coming on here and making several posts one after the other defaming a player by intimating her involvement but lack of punishment is completely unacceptable.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes! Someone is being very irresponsible with their comments. Why don’t we wait to let facts come out. Don’t insinuate anyone had anything to do with this unless you absolutely know. These are young women and their futures. Please don’t point fingers at them. Stop being an stunad and let the team and girls handle their personal business. This sounds like nothing to do with lacrosse. So stop with the accusations on here.
EXACTLY! Back to “it’s no one’s business”!

That is complete nonsense. What happened is disgusting and many young women and some minors were subjected to some vile behavior, their parents have a right to know how this happened and what is being done about it.
THEIR parents...are YOU their parent? If not, NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes! Someone is being very irresponsible with their comments. Why don’t we wait to let facts come out. Don’t insinuate anyone had anything to do with this unless you absolutely know. These are young women and their futures. Please don’t point fingers at them. Stop being an stunad and let the team and girls handle their personal business. This sounds like nothing to do with lacrosse. So stop with the accusations on here.
EXACTLY! Back to “it’s no one’s business”!

That is complete nonsense. What happened is disgusting and many young women and some minors were subjected to some vile behavior, their parents have a right to know how this happened and what is being done about it.

You are right! “Their” parents and people involved. Not people discussing lax on a forums business to know!
Division I Women’s Lacrosse Rankings 3-28-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 North Carolina (11 - 0) 525 (21) 1
2 Boston College (9 - 1) 504 2
3 Northwestern (8 - 2) 474 4
4 Syracuse (8 - 2) 458 5
5 Stony Brook (6 - 2) 421 6
6 Loyola (9 - 0) 419 7
7 Duke (11 - 1) 369 8
8 Maryland (8 - 1) 365 3
9 Denver (10 - 1) 345 9
10 Florida (6 - 4) 337 11
11 Princeton (6 - 1) 328 10
12 James Madison (6 - 4) 293 15
13 Michigan (9 - 2) 283 12
14 Rutgers (9 - 1) 258 13
15 Notre Dame (4 - 6) 208 14
16 Virginia (6 - 6) 200 16
17 USC (7 - 2) 155 18
18 UMass (8 - 2) 130 21
19 Richmond (8 - 2) 125 19
20 Johns Hopkins (5 - 5) 119 20
21 UConn (8 - 1) 117 22
22 Navy (8 - 2) 103 17
23 Jacksonville (5 - 3) 72 23
24 Colorado (8 - 2) 67 NR
25 Stanford (6 - 5) 47 24
RV Virginia Tech, Yale, Vanderbilt, Louisville, Penn
Division II Women’s Lacrosse Rankings 3-28-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Queens (9 - 0) 495 (17) 1
2 UIndy (7 - 1) 473 (2) 2
3 Adelphi (6 - 0) 458 3
4 East Stroudsburg (7 - 0) 419 8
5 Le Moyne (5 - 2) 409 (1) 6
6 Florida Southern (8 - 1) 395 7
7 Regis (CO) (7 - 0) 365 12
8 West Chester (5 - 1) 364 5
9 Lindenwood (6 - 2) 350 4
10 Rollins (9 - 0) 330 9
11 Grand Valley State (10 - 1) 309 10
12 Mercy (6 - 2) 280 11
13 Embry-Riddle (10 - 0) 248 13
14 Pace (5 - 2) 233 15
15 Tampa (4 - 5) 198 16
16 Bentley (3 - 2) 191 14
17 Roberts Wesleyan (5 - 3) 189 17
18 Stonehill (5 - 1) 173 24
19 Assumption (3 - 4) 132 19
20 Saint Anselm (5 - 1) 111 20
21 New Haven (5 - 2) 89 18
22 Seton Hill (6 - 3) 66 22
23 Limestone (7 - 3) 64 21
24 Davenport (8 - 1) 60 23
25 Wingate (8 - 2) 53 25
RV Saint Leo, Colorado Mesa, Slippery Rock, Mount Olive, Southern Ne
Originally Posted by baldbear
Division II Women’s Lacrosse Rankings 3-28-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Queens (9 - 0) 495 (17) 1
2 UIndy (7 - 1) 473 (2) 2
3 Adelphi (6 - 0) 458 3
4 East Stroudsburg (7 - 0) 419 8
5 Le Moyne (5 - 2) 409 (1) 6
6 Florida Southern (8 - 1) 395 7
7 Regis (CO) (7 - 0) 365 12
8 West Chester (5 - 1) 364 5
9 Lindenwood (6 - 2) 350 4
10 Rollins (9 - 0) 330 9
11 Grand Valley State (10 - 1) 309 10
12 Mercy (6 - 2) 280 11
13 Embry-Riddle (10 - 0) 248 13
14 Pace (5 - 2) 233 15
15 Tampa (4 - 5) 198 16
16 Bentley (3 - 2) 191 14
17 Roberts Wesleyan (5 - 3) 189 17
18 Stonehill (5 - 1) 173 24
19 Assumption (3 - 4) 132 19
20 Saint Anselm (5 - 1) 111 20
21 New Haven (5 - 2) 89 18
22 Seton Hill (6 - 3) 66 22
23 Limestone (7 - 3) 64 21
24 Davenport (8 - 1) 60 23
25 Wingate (8 - 2) 53 25
RV Saint Leo, Colorado Mesa, Slippery Rock, Mount Olive, Southern Ne

Totally surprised at Pace's ranking. Would thought Pace would've moved up more. Lost by 1 on the road at E. Stroudsburg and 2 on the road at LeMoyne. Big game coming up tomorrow against Adelphi.
Division III Women’s Lacrosse Rankings 3-28-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Middlebury (7-0) 544 (16) 3
2 Salisbury (9 - 1) 533 (4) 1
3 Washington and Lee (7 - 2) 479 5
4 Gettysburg (6 - 2) 473 2
5 Franklin & Marshall (7 - 1) 472 6
6 Colby (6 - 1) 467 (2) 9
7 Tufts (5 - 1) 447 (1) 10
8 William Smith (6 - 1) 413 7
9 Ithaca (6 - 1) 375 4
10 TCNJ (6 - 1) 373 8
11 Wesleyan (CT) (6 - 1) 339 12
12 Hamilton (5 - 1) 314 13
13 York (4 - 4) 280 11
14 Brockport (3 - 2) 259 14
15 Messiah (5 - 3) 206 15
16 Bowdoin (6 - 3) 199 17
17 Catholic (4 - 4) 174 16
18 Trinity (5 - 3) 168 18
19 St. Lawrence (7 - 1) 145 25
19 Amherst (4 - 1) 145 19
21 Denison (5 - 3) 117 20
22 Chicago (7 - 1) 89 23
23 Haverford (5 - 3) 78 22
24 Geneseo (3 - 1) 47 26
25 St. John Fisher (1 - 4) 43 21
RV Cortland, Pomona-Pitzer, UW-River Falls, Colorado College, Roger Williams, Southern Virginia, UW-La Crosse, Carroll (WI), Johnson & Wales (Providence)
Division I Women’s Players of the Week 3-29-2022

Co-Offensive Player of the Week

Isabella Peterson – James Madison University

Peterson led all players in scoring on Saturday in the Dukes’ upset over No. 3 Maryland, 13-8. The attacker notched five goals, one assist, five draw controls and a ground ball on her stat line. She has put up a hat trick and at least five draws in each of JMU's last three games, all of which were against top-20 opponents. James Madison improved to 6-4 with the win and are now ranked No. 12 in the latest ILWomen/IWLCA Division I Poll.

Co-Offensive Player of the Week

Kate Shaffer – University of Connecticut

Shaffer tallied 11 goals and one assist for 12 points in a 2-0 stretch for the Huskies, who improved to 8-1. The junior had six of UConn’s 16 goals in a 16-11 win at Albany on Tuesday, before going for five goals and an assist in a 15-11 home win over Hofstra on Saturday. Shaffer notched the game winner against the Pride while also adding a ground ball in each contest. Connecticut is now ranked No. 21 in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division I Poll.

Defensive Player of the Week

Molly Dougherty – James Madison University

Dougherty made 11 key saves against the Terps, leading JMU to a 13-8 victory. She made seven of those saves in the second half for a season.
Division II Women’s Players of the Week 3-29-2022

Offensive Player of the Week

Bridget Considine – Lindenwood University

Considine tallied 12 points for the Lions in a 1-1 week that saw Lindenwood fall to No. 12 Regis, 13-10, and bounce back with an 18-6 win over Colorado Mesa. The attacker put up four goals, one assist, and two draw controls at Regis, and added three goals, four assists, and a draw control against Mesa. Lindenwood’s record now stands at 7-2 and they are ranked ninth in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division II Poll.

Defensive Player of the Week

Payton Romig – University of Indianapolis

Romig racked up 32 draw controls in the Greyhounds’ 2-0 week. In the 15-8 win over No. 16 Tampa, the midfielder posted two goals, a ground ball and 18 draw contro
Division III Women’s Players of the Week 3-29-2022

Offensive Player of the Week

Annie Eddy – Colby College

Eddy scored the game-winning goal in overtime as Colby took down previously unbeaten and top-ranked Salisbury University on Saturday. She had four goals, two assists, two ground balls and caused a turnover in the game. Earlier in the week, Eddy tallied two goals as Colby beat #13 Hamilton, 10-9, handing them their first loss of the season. The junior attacker scored two goals, including the game-tying goal with 18 seconds left to play in the fourth quarter, and added two ground balls and two caused turnovers. Colby (6-1) is now ranked No. 6 in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division III Poll.

Defensive Player of the Week

Caroline Kranich – Washington and Lee University

Kranich had her best week of the season, earning two wins in goal for the Generals. She finished with seven saves, one ground ball and two caused turnovers against Williams and followed that with 10 saves, six ground balls and two caused turnovers at No. 11 York (Pa.). For the season, Kranich has a 6.44 goals-against average and a .505 save percentage. Washington and Lee currently sits in the No. 3 spot in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division III Poll.
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Yes! Someone is being very irresponsible with their comments. Why don’t we wait to let facts come out. Don’t insinuate anyone had anything to do with this unless you absolutely know. These are young women and their futures. Please don’t point fingers at them. Stop being an stunad and let the team and girls handle their personal business. This sounds like nothing to do with lacrosse. So stop with the accusations on here.
EXACTLY! Back to “it’s no one’s business”!

That is complete nonsense. What happened is disgusting and many young women and some minors were subjected to some vile behavior, their parents have a right to know how this happened and what is being done about it.

You are right! “Their” parents and people involved. Not people discussing lax on a forums business to know!

Poor Judgement by several BC players yes. Most of the girls that play in the ACC know about what happened, some witnessed it. But what about the little girls that look up to this Duke player being interviewed and had to witness this obscene behavior.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes! Someone is being very irresponsible with their comments. Why don’t we wait to let facts come out. Don’t insinuate anyone had anything to do with this unless you absolutely know. These are young women and their futures. Please don’t point fingers at them. Stop being an stunad and let the team and girls handle their personal business. This sounds like nothing to do with lacrosse. So stop with the accusations on here.
EXACTLY! Back to “it’s no one’s business”!

That is complete nonsense. What happened is disgusting and many young women and some minors were subjected to some vile behavior, their parents have a right to know how this happened and what is being done about it.

You are right! “Their” parents and people involved. Not people discussing lax on a forums business to know!

Poor Judgement by several BC players yes. Most of the girls that play in the ACC know about what happened, some witnessed it. But what about the little girls that look up to this Duke player being interviewed and had to witness this obscene behavior.

Agreed and that’s exactly what makes it all of our business . The if it’s not your kid it’s non of your business people need to realize we are talking about yourng girls being exposed to an obscene act and the possible distribution of said act . It’s no joke .
Disgusting! All involved should be terminated from their teams.
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Disgusting! All involved should be terminated from their teams.

Ok Karen. Punished yes. “Terminated” get over yourSelf
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes! Someone is being very irresponsible with their comments. Why don’t we wait to let facts come out. Don’t insinuate anyone had anything to do with this unless you absolutely know. These are young women and their futures. Please don’t point fingers at them. Stop being an stunad and let the team and girls handle their personal business. This sounds like nothing to do with lacrosse. So stop with the accusations on here.
EXACTLY! Back to “it’s no one’s business”!

That is complete nonsense. What happened is disgusting and many young women and some minors were subjected to some vile behavior, their parents have a right to know how this happened and what is being done about it.

You are right! “Their” parents and people involved. Not people discussing lax on a forums business to know!

Poor Judgement by several BC players yes. Most of the girls that play in the ACC know about what happened, some witnessed it. But what about the little girls that look up to this Duke player being interviewed and had to witness this obscene behavior.

Agreed and that’s exactly what makes it all of our business . The if it’s not your kid it’s non of your business people need to realize we are talking about yourng girls being exposed to an obscene act and the possible distribution of said act . It’s no joke .

Yeah, but you are saying it like everyone on here knows the facts. Most probably don’t know anything about it on here? So, since it is not a widespread public story, I feel it’s between the parties involved. The people involved should be held accountable and punished!
Horrible call at the end of the Cuse Loyola game. Refs should be ashamed of themselves for ruining a great game. Just unbelievable! Should be fired
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Disgusting! All involved should be terminated from their teams.
Everyone is discussing something on here that not everyone knows about. Why is it everyone's business? It obviously not public knowledge what happened - that is WHY it is not everyone's business. Why is it expected to know everything that happens? Just stop already. Cancel culture is alive and well - so sad
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Horrible call at the end of the Cuse Loyola game. Refs should be ashamed of themselves for ruining a great game. Just unbelievable! Should be fired

What’s up with the refs this year? Is it getting harder to find good ones due to the pandemic ? Did they leave for other jobs? Maybe they need better pay, and training!! It’s So important to have good refs for safety issues and fairness in these games.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Disgusting! All involved should be terminated from their teams.
Everyone is discussing something on here that not everyone knows about. Why is it everyone's business? It obviously not public knowledge what happened - that is WHY it is not everyone's business. Why is it expected to know everything that happens? Just stop already. Cancel culture is alive and well - so sad

Inquiring minds want to know why don’t you just tell us what happened
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Horrible call at the end of the Cuse Loyola game. Refs should be ashamed of themselves for ruining a great game. Just unbelievable! Should be fired

Refs don't call charges when girls are running people over going to cage and now they make a game deciding call for a charge after the girl passed it. Head scratcher.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Horrible call at the end of the Cuse Loyola game. Refs should be ashamed of themselves for ruining a great game. Just unbelievable! Should be fired

What’s up with the refs this year? Is it getting harder to find good ones due to the pandemic ? Did they leave for other jobs? Maybe they need better pay, and training!! It’s So important to have good refs for safety issues and fairness in these games.

I thought it was a charge prior to goal...no?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Disgusting! All involved should be terminated from their teams.
Everyone is discussing something on here that not everyone knows about. Why is it everyone's business? It obviously not public knowledge what happened - that is WHY it is not everyone's business. Why is it expected to know everything that happens? Just stop already. Cancel culture is alive and well - so sad

The problem with "not everyone's business" agenda is that the incident was absolutely everyone's business because it was broadcast on a live web stream for "everyone" to see, can't get more public knowledge than that. Can't have it both ways.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Disgusting! All involved should be terminated from their teams.
Everyone is discussing something on here that not everyone knows about. Why is it everyone's business? It obviously not public knowledge what happened - that is WHY it is not everyone's business. Why is it expected to know everything that happens? Just stop already. Cancel culture is alive and well - so sad

The problem with "not everyone's business" agenda is that the incident was absolutely everyone's business because it was broadcast on a live web stream for "everyone" to see, can't get more public knowledge than that. Can't have it both ways.

Can't have been too well known. There is no mention of this anywhere.
Notre Dame is currently 4-6, and if things go as expected, will finish regular season 7-8, soo under .500 before ACC tourney, and have a 4-8 seed.. if they wind up winning a tourney game, they’ll still be 8-9 after losing the next game vs a higher seed.
Alas, not found on IL schedule, but appearing on the NDwlax website is a challenging game against the vaunted Detroit mercy! Not sure how that game will turn out! When and where did that game pop up, to be missed by IL, and isn’t there and NCAA/Iwlca deadline to submit official schedules???
Then any team can pad their schedule if things don’t go as expected?! What gives?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Horrible call at the end of the Cuse Loyola game. Refs should be ashamed of themselves for ruining a great game. Just unbelievable! Should be fired

What’s up with the refs this year? Is it getting harder to find good ones due to the pandemic ? Did they leave for other jobs? Maybe they need better pay, and training!! It’s So important to have good refs for safety issues and fairness in these games.

I thought it was a charge prior to goal...no?

No, watch the tape. No way a charge. Arbitrary call that affected the outcome of the game.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Horrible call at the end of the Cuse Loyola game. Refs should be ashamed of themselves for ruining a great game. Just unbelievable! Should be fired

What’s up with the refs this year? Is it getting harder to find good ones due to the pandemic ? Did they leave for other jobs? Maybe they need better pay, and training!! It’s So important to have good refs for safety issues and fairness in these games.

I thought it was a charge prior to goal...no?

No, watch the tape. No way a charge. Arbitrary call that affected the outcome of the game.

The Refs also missed the girl on Cuse hooking the butt end of the Loyola girls stick prior to the non charge. Terrible job by the refs.
Detroit Mercy has been on the NCAA schedule as an opponent for Notre Dame. Games not submitted and approved by the NCAA are counted as exhibition contests.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Horrible call at the end of the Cuse Loyola game. Refs should be ashamed of themselves for ruining a great game. Just unbelievable! Should be fired

What’s up with the refs this year? Is it getting harder to find good ones due to the pandemic ? Did they leave for other jobs? Maybe they need better pay, and training!! It’s So important to have good refs for safety issues and fairness in these games.

I thought it was a charge prior to goal...no?

No, watch the tape. No way a charge. Arbitrary call that affected the outcome of the game.

The Refs also missed the girl on Cuse hooking the butt end of the Loyola girls stick prior to the non charge. Terrible job by the refs.

Bad calls for went both ways. #4s first goal was a clear dangerous follow-through that wasn’t called. She’d of gotten a yellow In the first five min of the game her heroics at towards the end could of been completely different
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Horrible call at the end of the Cuse Loyola game. Refs should be ashamed of themselves for ruining a great game. Just unbelievable! Should be fired

What’s up with the refs this year? Is it getting harder to find good ones due to the pandemic ? Did they leave for other jobs? Maybe they need better pay, and training!! It’s So important to have good refs for safety issues and fairness in these games.

I thought it was a charge prior to goal...no?

No, watch the tape. No way a charge. Arbitrary call that affected the outcome of the game.

The Refs also missed the girl on Cuse hooking the butt end of the Loyola girls stick prior to the non charge. Terrible job by the refs.

Its not a charge because she no longer had the ball but I can see how a foul was called as you cannot just run over a player . That said the player they said got run over was doing a lot of flopping thru out the game.
The time out was terrible and the problem seems to be the person who blows the horn when a timeout is requested is not an official I believe so they have no input.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Horrible call at the end of the Cuse Loyola game. Refs should be ashamed of themselves for ruining a great game. Just unbelievable! Should be fired

What’s up with the refs this year? Is it getting harder to find good ones due to the pandemic ? Did they leave for other jobs? Maybe they need better pay, and training!! It’s So important to have good refs for safety issues and fairness in these games.

I thought it was a charge prior to goal...no?

No, watch the tape. No way a charge. Arbitrary call that affected the outcome of the game.

The Refs also missed the girl on Cuse hooking the butt end of the Loyola girls stick prior to the non charge. Terrible job by the refs.

Its not a charge because she no longer had the ball but I can see how a foul was called as you cannot just run over a player . That said the player they said got run over was doing a lot of flopping thru out the game.
The time out was terrible and the problem seems to be the person who blows the horn when a timeout is requested is not an official I believe so they have no input.

I know in basketball you can be charged with a foul even after you pass the ball off. I did not know that about Womens lacrosse
The refs aren’t good because they don’t know or understand the rules . US lacrosse is to blame for this with lack of training. I saw this first hand when during COVID there wasn’t one continue Education class opportunity. They missed a big window to really train us on all the rules as we sat inside for six months. If I see one more cradling in the sphere when players are running down field or when a shooter on 8M shot puts there stick to their face or body I will scream. We have no problem calling a check in the sphere but don’t even know there is a rule that the offense player can’t have their stick placed their. The other one is all the stepping over the 8M line on FP shots. The line is the line, the rule is the rule-you can’t be on it.
What’s up with the refs this year? Is it getting harder to find good ones due to the pandemic ? Did they leave for other jobs? Maybe they need better pay, and training!! It’s So important to have good refs for safety issues and fairness in these games.[/quote]

I thought it was a charge prior to goal...no?[/quote]

No, watch the tape. No way a charge. Arbitrary call that affected the outcome of the game.[/quote]

The Refs also missed the girl on Cuse hooking the butt end of the Loyola girls stick prior to the non charge. Terrible job by the refs.[/quote]

Its not a charge because she no longer had the ball but I can see how a foul was called as you cannot just run over a player . That said the player they said got run over was doing a lot of flopping thru out the game.
The time out was terrible and the problem seems to be the person who blows the horn when a timeout is requested is not an official I believe so they have no input.[/quote]

I know in basketball you can be charged with a foul even after you pass the ball off. I did not know that about Womens lacrosse[/quote]

Its the same in Womens Lacrosse, it is still a charge if you charge into a player without the ball. I did not see the play in question.
Any know why Stony Brook made a goalie change the last two games ? I thought the Transfer from UVA was playing ok .
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Any know why Stony Brook made a goalie change the last two games ? I thought the Transfer from UVA was playing ok .

Don’t know why but both are very good goalies.
Some credit to the Dukies, two solid wins against Notre Dame and Virginia.
Good for Duke but UVA is terrible (again). The alums and fans continue to tolerate that staff squandering talent year after year after year.
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Notre Dame is currently 4-6, and if things go as expected, will finish regular season 7-8, soo under .500 before ACC tourney, and have a 4-8 seed.. if they wind up winning a tourney game, they’ll still be 8-9 after losing the next game vs a higher seed.
Alas, not found on IL schedule, but appearing on the NDwlax website is a challenging game against the vaunted Detroit mercy! Not sure how that game will turn out! When and where did that game pop up, to be missed by IL, and isn’t there and NCAA/Iwlca deadline to submit official schedules???
Then any team can pad their schedule if things don’t go as expected?! What gives?

Why mock Detroit Mercy? Did that make you feel better?
Please keep the Men’s and Women’s Binghamton lacrosse players in your prayers. Goalie Robert Martin committed suicide on Friday.

It is very important that we keep the mental health of all of our student athletes as top priority. All of our children are high achievers. The pressures put on them by the school, peers and us can sometimes be overwhelming. When you look at the posts here you all forget that they are human, can make mistakes and should all be valued.

Take this moment as a time to reflect on our children and how we are treating them as a whole human being and not just athletes. Just because your child is in a top 20 program does not necessarily mean they are the best. Stop looking down at programs and embrace the journey your child is on. Celebrate what’s best for them.

Time to reflect…
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Notre Dame is currently 4-6, and if things go as expected, will finish regular season 7-8, soo under .500 before ACC tourney, and have a 4-8 seed.. if they wind up winning a tourney game, they’ll still be 8-9 after losing the next game vs a higher seed.
Alas, not found on IL schedule, but appearing on the NDwlax website is a challenging game against the vaunted Detroit mercy! Not sure how that game will turn out! When and where did that game pop up, to be missed by IL, and isn’t there and NCAA/Iwlca deadline to submit official schedules???
Then any team can pad their schedule if things don’t go as expected?! What gives?

Why mock Detroit Mercy? Did that make you feel better?


Detroit Mercy's RPI is 115 out of 118 D1 teams, it is simply a fact. As for Notre Dame's schedule, I made this post earlier this year and Detroit Mercy was not on Notre Dame's schedule. So while I am sure it is an official game, it was added well into the season from everything I can see.

2/23/2022 Post
I think Notre Dame is in a much more difficult spot, I could see them easing the schedule in the future. Notre Dame will have to win 4 of their toss up games or upset Syracuse, UNC and/or BC. I do not see them making the NCAAs this season.

PROJECTED LOSSES
Michigan (L)
Vanderbilt (L)
Northwestern (L)
Syracuse
UNC
BC

PROJECTED WINS
Central Michigan (W)
Pitt
Louisville
Marquette

TOSS UPS
Jacksonville
Duke
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Yale
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Good for Duke but UVA is terrible (again). The alums and fans continue to tolerate that staff squandering talent year after year after year.

More nonsense, if UVA is terrible, what does that say about the other 100 or so programs below them? There are currently 118 Division I women's lacrosse programs and UVA is certainly one of the Top 20 teams and probably one of the Top 10 to 15 best programs year in and year out.

I will say however that the Virginia coaching staff needs to evaluate their schedule and make some adjustments going forward. Not only does Virginia play one of the most difficult schedules they also play way too many games on very short rest. Two or three days rest may not be a factor when competing against weaker teams but if you are playing a competitive team on two days rest and your opponent has had a week off you will be at a disadvantage. Short rest not only puts physical pressure on the athletes, it gives very little time to prepare (game plan) for your next opponent.

Duke has been given a lot of garbage on here for their weak out of conference schedule but they needed to make the switch and lighten the load several years ago because they were a "Top 20" team and did not make the tournament.

Virginia started their season with 6 games in 17 days, I don't think you will find another team that did that. During that stretch the Cavs played Maryland on 4 days rest (after playing Cal on 2 days rest), they then played Princeton on 2 days rest, then Boston College on 3 Days rest, then Stanford on 4 days rest. After that gauntlet they took a week off before playing 3 games in 7 days... Notre Dame then Richmond and Syracuse both on 3 days rest. After that they had a 5 day break before playing Pitt then 2 days before meeting up with JMU.

Sorry, just not enough rest when playing the caliber of teams that they play. Virginia has too relax their schedule a bit in the future.
Mid-Season IL Top 15 Freshmen. Very Impressive, Congratulations to all!


Ashley Humphrey, A, Stanford

If any team was going to start a ton of freshmen this season, Stanford was an easy bet. Inside Lacrosse ranked the Cardinal’s incoming class No. 1 in the nation. Humphrey, who redshirted last year, is considered part of that group. She has shown no signs of rust in her first season of competition since her junior year in high school in 2019. Humphrey leads Stanford in points (69) and assists (20) and the nation in assists per game (4.45). She is also second in points per game at 6.27.



Brooklyn Walker-Welch, D, North Carolina

With Boston College within one, the ball in Charlotte North’s stick and 25 seconds left, Brooklyn Walker-Welch caused a turnover that sealed UNC’s win and put them atop the national rankings. It was a senior-style play from a freshman who has carried a heavy load for a Tar Heel defense that had big cleats to fill heading into the season after the graduations of Caroline Wakefield and Catie Woodruff. Add in an injury to Emma Trenchard, and many teams would take a step back — but not a UNC team with depth for days. Having All-American and 2021 Tewaaraton finalist Taylor Moreno in net is, of course, a large part of the Heels’ success, but Walker-Welch’s smart and aggressive play has been instrumental. Walker-Welch ranks second on the team in caused turnovers (11) and has helped UNC limit opponents to an average of 8.82 goals per game, the sixth-fewest in the country.




Rachel Clark, A, Virginia

Entering fallball, defense appeared to be the area of the field where new Cavs had the best shot at getting immediate playing time. UVA returned top scorers from 2021 in Ashlyn McGovern and Lillie Kloak. But an injury to Kloak left a gap, and Rachel Clark has filled it. She leads the Cavs in goals (42) and points (50) and is first among DI freshmen in goals per game (3.50).



Emma LoPinto, A, Florida

Emma LoPinto arrived in Gainesville as Inside Lacrosse’s top incoming attacker, and she’s lived up to her advanced billing in the first half of her freshman year. She’s teamed up with fellow Long Island native and sophomore Danielle Pavinelli to lead a Florida offense that will likely be nearly unstoppable over the next several years. The multi-hammerhead offensive player, who won a state championship at Manhasset High School on Long Island, leads the Gators in assists (20) and is second in points (48) and is third among DI freshmen in assists per game (1.91). She shined bright in Florida’s win over Syracuse, posting six points on two goals and four assists.



Georgia Latch, A, Loyola

Georgia Latch has done a masterful job playing quarterback for the Loyola offense. The rookie from Melbourne, Australia, has a team-high 17 assists and has allowed Livy Rosenzweig, who tallied 33 goals and 50 helpers last season, to take on more of a scoring role. Latch excelled in Loyola’s loss to Syracuse, dishing four assists in the one-goal loss and has helped the Greyhounds stay in the top 10 nationally at 9-1 overall.




Annabelle Frist, M, Stanford

A true freshman, Annabel Frist has stood out on both ends of the field. She leads the team in goals (29) and is third among freshmen nationally in goals per game (2.90). Frist has also corralled a team-high 42 draws and caused 12 turnovers.



Emelia Bohi, G, Denver

It’s hard to believe that Emelia Bohi, the anchor of the top-ranked scoring defense in the land, is only in her fourth year playing lacrosse. The one-time soccer goalie picked up a stick in high school but is beginning to play with veteran-like confidence, unafraid to take risks in net. Bohi is second in DI in goals-against average (7.19) and is stopping shots at a .431 clip.




McKenzie Blake, M, Princeton

Princeton took the field in February for the first time since 2020, and the Tigers returned a veteran-heavy lineup of players who took a leave of absence in 2021 to extend their eligibility. But McKenzie Blake earned a starting spot and has proved why ever since. The rookie middie is second on the team in groundballs (16) and second in points (22) and goals (17). Also a threat on the defensive end, Blake has caused seven turnovers. Her best performance of the season came against USC, when she found the back of the cage five times in the Tigers’ 18-13 win.



Isabelle Vitale, A, USC

Isabelle Vitale is fifth among DI freshman in assists per game (1.89). Except for Stanford’s Humphrey, who leads the nation in the category, and Florida’s LoPinto, Vitale plays on a team with a stronger schedule (the others are Siena’s Grace Dobrynski and American’s Maddy Spratt). Vitale leads USC in assists (17) and is second in points (38).



Natalie Calandra-Ryan, A, Youngstown State

A dark horse for freshman of the year, Natalie Calandra-Ryan’s career at Youngstown State has gotten off to a strong start. The Auburn, N.Y., native is second in the country among freshmen in goals per game (3.36). Calandra-Ryan paces Youngstown State with 38 goals and 52 points. She broke a school record by posting eight goals and 12 points, including scoring the game-winner, in YSU’s comeback 21-20 win over Kent State.




Colleen Quinn, A, Richmond

Colleen Quinn is establishing herself as a formidable offensive threat for the Spiders. She’s second on the team in assists (13) and third in points (30). Quinn was a bright spot in Richmond’s loss to in-state rival Virginia, posting a hat trick and two assists.



Lauren Black, M, Denver

The Pioneers are known for their defense, but Lauren Black’s gritty play has fueled their offense. The freshman from British Columbia is second on the team in goals (24) and points (33). She scored the game-tying goal in Denver’s come-from-behind win against Michigan on March 13.




Olivia Vergano, M, Virginia Tech

Olivia Vergano has made an impact all over the field for a Virginia Tech squad that’s been in and out of the national rankings all season. She posted five points on four goals and an assist in Virginia Tech’s upset win over Notre Dame and a career-best eight points on six goals and two helpers against Furman. Vergano is third on the team in goals (27) and second in draws (49).



Kaylee Dyer, A, Michigan

Michigan returned an experienced attack that included Caitlin Muir and Kaitlyn Mead, but Kaylee Dyer has broken through anyway; Dyer has started all 11 games for the Wolverines, registering 12 goals and nine assists. Her best performance of the season came on a five-point day in a win over Cincy Feb. 20.



Nina Montes, M, Princeton

Another Tiger making an immediate impact, midfielder Nina Montes has been a valuable role player on a Princeton offense headlined by senior All-American Kyla Sears. Montes has played in all eight games, starting two, and chipped in 10 goals and two assists to help the Tigers jet off to a 6-2 start.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Notre Dame is currently 4-6, and if things go as expected, will finish regular season 7-8, soo under .500 before ACC tourney, and have a 4-8 seed.. if they wind up winning a tourney game, they’ll still be 8-9 after losing the next game vs a higher seed.
Alas, not found on IL schedule, but appearing on the NDwlax website is a challenging game against the vaunted Detroit mercy! Not sure how that game will turn out! When and where did that game pop up, to be missed by IL, and isn’t there and NCAA/Iwlca deadline to submit official schedules???
Then any team can pad their schedule if things don’t go as expected?! What gives?

Why mock Detroit Mercy? Did that make you feel better?


Detroit Mercy's RPI is 115 out of 118 D1 teams, it is simply a fact. As for Notre Dame's schedule, I made this post earlier this year and Detroit Mercy was not on Notre Dame's schedule. So while I am sure it is an official game, it was added well into the season from everything I can see.

2/23/2022 Post
I think Notre Dame is in a much more difficult spot, I could see them easing the schedule in the future. Notre Dame will have to win 4 of their toss up games or upset Syracuse, UNC and/or BC. I do not see them making the NCAAs this season.

PROJECTED LOSSES
Michigan (L)
Vanderbilt (L)
Northwestern (L)
Syracuse
UNC
BC

PROJECTED WINS
Central Michigan (W)
Pitt
Louisville
Marquette

TOSS UPS
Jacksonville
Duke
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Yale


Also, you can check Nortre Dame's instagram account and look at their 2022 schedule post from 12/13 that does not have Detroit Mercy on it. Sad they decided to add a game so far into the season because they are on the cusp of not qualifying for the playoffs with a below .500 record. The committee should take notice and skip them for an at large bid.
Nice day for the PAC12, USC takes down Michigan and Arizona State takes down Rutgers, both on the road.
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Nice day for the PAC12, USC takes down Michigan and Arizona State takes down Rutgers, both on the road.

Agee, two nice wins. Congratulations!
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Mid-Season IL Top 15 Freshmen. Very Impressive, Congratulations to all!


Ashley Humphrey, A, Stanford

If any team was going to start a ton of freshmen this season, Stanford was an easy bet. Inside Lacrosse ranked the Cardinal’s incoming class No. 1 in the nation. Humphrey, who redshirted last year, is considered part of that group. She has shown no signs of rust in her first season of competition since her junior year in high school in 2019. Humphrey leads Stanford in points (69) and assists (20) and the nation in assists per game (4.45). She is also second in points per game at 6.27.



Brooklyn Walker-Welch, D, North Carolina

With Boston College within one, the ball in Charlotte North’s stick and 25 seconds left, Brooklyn Walker-Welch caused a turnover that sealed UNC’s win and put them atop the national rankings. It was a senior-style play from a freshman who has carried a heavy load for a Tar Heel defense that had big cleats to fill heading into the season after the graduations of Caroline Wakefield and Catie Woodruff. Add in an injury to Emma Trenchard, and many teams would take a step back — but not a UNC team with depth for days. Having All-American and 2021 Tewaaraton finalist Taylor Moreno in net is, of course, a large part of the Heels’ success, but Walker-Welch’s smart and aggressive play has been instrumental. Walker-Welch ranks second on the team in caused turnovers (11) and has helped UNC limit opponents to an average of 8.82 goals per game, the sixth-fewest in the country.




Rachel Clark, A, Virginia

Entering fallball, defense appeared to be the area of the field where new Cavs had the best shot at getting immediate playing time. UVA returned top scorers from 2021 in Ashlyn McGovern and Lillie Kloak. But an injury to Kloak left a gap, and Rachel Clark has filled it. She leads the Cavs in goals (42) and points (50) and is first among DI freshmen in goals per game (3.50).



Emma LoPinto, A, Florida

Emma LoPinto arrived in Gainesville as Inside Lacrosse’s top incoming attacker, and she’s lived up to her advanced billing in the first half of her freshman year. She’s teamed up with fellow Long Island native and sophomore Danielle Pavinelli to lead a Florida offense that will likely be nearly unstoppable over the next several years. The multi-hammerhead offensive player, who won a state championship at Manhasset High School on Long Island, leads the Gators in assists (20) and is second in points (48) and is third among DI freshmen in assists per game (1.91). She shined bright in Florida’s win over Syracuse, posting six points on two goals and four assists.



Georgia Latch, A, Loyola

Georgia Latch has done a masterful job playing quarterback for the Loyola offense. The rookie from Melbourne, Australia, has a team-high 17 assists and has allowed Livy Rosenzweig, who tallied 33 goals and 50 helpers last season, to take on more of a scoring role. Latch excelled in Loyola’s loss to Syracuse, dishing four assists in the one-goal loss and has helped the Greyhounds stay in the top 10 nationally at 9-1 overall.




Annabelle Frist, M, Stanford

A true freshman, Annabel Frist has stood out on both ends of the field. She leads the team in goals (29) and is third among freshmen nationally in goals per game (2.90). Frist has also corralled a team-high 42 draws and caused 12 turnovers.



Emelia Bohi, G, Denver

It’s hard to believe that Emelia Bohi, the anchor of the top-ranked scoring defense in the land, is only in her fourth year playing lacrosse. The one-time soccer goalie picked up a stick in high school but is beginning to play with veteran-like confidence, unafraid to take risks in net. Bohi is second in DI in goals-against average (7.19) and is stopping shots at a .431 clip.




McKenzie Blake, M, Princeton

Princeton took the field in February for the first time since 2020, and the Tigers returned a veteran-heavy lineup of players who took a leave of absence in 2021 to extend their eligibility. But McKenzie Blake earned a starting spot and has proved why ever since. The rookie middie is second on the team in groundballs (16) and second in points (22) and goals (17). Also a threat on the defensive end, Blake has caused seven turnovers. Her best performance of the season came against USC, when she found the back of the cage five times in the Tigers’ 18-13 win.



Isabelle Vitale, A, USC

Isabelle Vitale is fifth among DI freshman in assists per game (1.89). Except for Stanford’s Humphrey, who leads the nation in the category, and Florida’s LoPinto, Vitale plays on a team with a stronger schedule (the others are Siena’s Grace Dobrynski and American’s Maddy Spratt). Vitale leads USC in assists (17) and is second in points (38).



Natalie Calandra-Ryan, A, Youngstown State

A dark horse for freshman of the year, Natalie Calandra-Ryan’s career at Youngstown State has gotten off to a strong start. The Auburn, N.Y., native is second in the country among freshmen in goals per game (3.36). Calandra-Ryan paces Youngstown State with 38 goals and 52 points. She broke a school record by posting eight goals and 12 points, including scoring the game-winner, in YSU’s comeback 21-20 win over Kent State.




Colleen Quinn, A, Richmond

Colleen Quinn is establishing herself as a formidable offensive threat for the Spiders. She’s second on the team in assists (13) and third in points (30). Quinn was a bright spot in Richmond’s loss to in-state rival Virginia, posting a hat trick and two assists.



Lauren Black, M, Denver

The Pioneers are known for their defense, but Lauren Black’s gritty play has fueled their offense. The freshman from British Columbia is second on the team in goals (24) and points (33). She scored the game-tying goal in Denver’s come-from-behind win against Michigan on March 13.




Olivia Vergano, M, Virginia Tech

Olivia Vergano has made an impact all over the field for a Virginia Tech squad that’s been in and out of the national rankings all season. She posted five points on four goals and an assist in Virginia Tech’s upset win over Notre Dame and a career-best eight points on six goals and two helpers against Furman. Vergano is third on the team in goals (27) and second in draws (49).



Kaylee Dyer, A, Michigan

Michigan returned an experienced attack that included Caitlin Muir and Kaitlyn Mead, but Kaylee Dyer has broken through anyway; Dyer has started all 11 games for the Wolverines, registering 12 goals and nine assists. Her best performance of the season came on a five-point day in a win over Cincy Feb. 20.



Nina Montes, M, Princeton

Another Tiger making an immediate impact, midfielder Nina Montes has been a valuable role player on a Princeton offense headlined by senior All-American Kyla Sears. Montes has played in all eight games, starting two, and chipped in 10 goals and two assists to help the Tigers jet off to a 6-2 start.


No disrespect but it is hard to compare any player from the MAC conference with some of the others, there is no competition there, these same players very possible could not get the job done against decent defense.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mid-Season IL Top 15 Freshmen. Very Impressive, Congratulations to all!


Ashley Humphrey, A, Stanford

If any team was going to start a ton of freshmen this season, Stanford was an easy bet. Inside Lacrosse ranked the Cardinal’s incoming class No. 1 in the nation. Humphrey, who redshirted last year, is considered part of that group. She has shown no signs of rust in her first season of competition since her junior year in high school in 2019. Humphrey leads Stanford in points (69) and assists (20) and the nation in assists per game (4.45). She is also second in points per game at 6.27.



Brooklyn Walker-Welch, D, North Carolina

With Boston College within one, the ball in Charlotte North’s stick and 25 seconds left, Brooklyn Walker-Welch caused a turnover that sealed UNC’s win and put them atop the national rankings. It was a senior-style play from a freshman who has carried a heavy load for a Tar Heel defense that had big cleats to fill heading into the season after the graduations of Caroline Wakefield and Catie Woodruff. Add in an injury to Emma Trenchard, and many teams would take a step back — but not a UNC team with depth for days. Having All-American and 2021 Tewaaraton finalist Taylor Moreno in net is, of course, a large part of the Heels’ success, but Walker-Welch’s smart and aggressive play has been instrumental. Walker-Welch ranks second on the team in caused turnovers (11) and has helped UNC limit opponents to an average of 8.82 goals per game, the sixth-fewest in the country.




Rachel Clark, A, Virginia

Entering fallball, defense appeared to be the area of the field where new Cavs had the best shot at getting immediate playing time. UVA returned top scorers from 2021 in Ashlyn McGovern and Lillie Kloak. But an injury to Kloak left a gap, and Rachel Clark has filled it. She leads the Cavs in goals (42) and points (50) and is first among DI freshmen in goals per game (3.50).



Emma LoPinto, A, Florida

Emma LoPinto arrived in Gainesville as Inside Lacrosse’s top incoming attacker, and she’s lived up to her advanced billing in the first half of her freshman year. She’s teamed up with fellow Long Island native and sophomore Danielle Pavinelli to lead a Florida offense that will likely be nearly unstoppable over the next several years. The multi-hammerhead offensive player, who won a state championship at Manhasset High School on Long Island, leads the Gators in assists (20) and is second in points (48) and is third among DI freshmen in assists per game (1.91). She shined bright in Florida’s win over Syracuse, posting six points on two goals and four assists.



Georgia Latch, A, Loyola

Georgia Latch has done a masterful job playing quarterback for the Loyola offense. The rookie from Melbourne, Australia, has a team-high 17 assists and has allowed Livy Rosenzweig, who tallied 33 goals and 50 helpers last season, to take on more of a scoring role. Latch excelled in Loyola’s loss to Syracuse, dishing four assists in the one-goal loss and has helped the Greyhounds stay in the top 10 nationally at 9-1 overall.




Annabelle Frist, M, Stanford

A true freshman, Annabel Frist has stood out on both ends of the field. She leads the team in goals (29) and is third among freshmen nationally in goals per game (2.90). Frist has also corralled a team-high 42 draws and caused 12 turnovers.



Emelia Bohi, G, Denver

It’s hard to believe that Emelia Bohi, the anchor of the top-ranked scoring defense in the land, is only in her fourth year playing lacrosse. The one-time soccer goalie picked up a stick in high school but is beginning to play with veteran-like confidence, unafraid to take risks in net. Bohi is second in DI in goals-against average (7.19) and is stopping shots at a .431 clip.




McKenzie Blake, M, Princeton

Princeton took the field in February for the first time since 2020, and the Tigers returned a veteran-heavy lineup of players who took a leave of absence in 2021 to extend their eligibility. But McKenzie Blake earned a starting spot and has proved why ever since. The rookie middie is second on the team in groundballs (16) and second in points (22) and goals (17). Also a threat on the defensive end, Blake has caused seven turnovers. Her best performance of the season came against USC, when she found the back of the cage five times in the Tigers’ 18-13 win.



Isabelle Vitale, A, USC

Isabelle Vitale is fifth among DI freshman in assists per game (1.89). Except for Stanford’s Humphrey, who leads the nation in the category, and Florida’s LoPinto, Vitale plays on a team with a stronger schedule (the others are Siena’s Grace Dobrynski and American’s Maddy Spratt). Vitale leads USC in assists (17) and is second in points (38).



Natalie Calandra-Ryan, A, Youngstown State

A dark horse for freshman of the year, Natalie Calandra-Ryan’s career at Youngstown State has gotten off to a strong start. The Auburn, N.Y., native is second in the country among freshmen in goals per game (3.36). Calandra-Ryan paces Youngstown State with 38 goals and 52 points. She broke a school record by posting eight goals and 12 points, including scoring the game-winner, in YSU’s comeback 21-20 win over Kent State.




Colleen Quinn, A, Richmond

Colleen Quinn is establishing herself as a formidable offensive threat for the Spiders. She’s second on the team in assists (13) and third in points (30). Quinn was a bright spot in Richmond’s loss to in-state rival Virginia, posting a hat trick and two assists.



Lauren Black, M, Denver

The Pioneers are known for their defense, but Lauren Black’s gritty play has fueled their offense. The freshman from British Columbia is second on the team in goals (24) and points (33). She scored the game-tying goal in Denver’s come-from-behind win against Michigan on March 13.




Olivia Vergano, M, Virginia Tech

Olivia Vergano has made an impact all over the field for a Virginia Tech squad that’s been in and out of the national rankings all season. She posted five points on four goals and an assist in Virginia Tech’s upset win over Notre Dame and a career-best eight points on six goals and two helpers against Furman. Vergano is third on the team in goals (27) and second in draws (49).



Kaylee Dyer, A, Michigan

Michigan returned an experienced attack that included Caitlin Muir and Kaitlyn Mead, but Kaylee Dyer has broken through anyway; Dyer has started all 11 games for the Wolverines, registering 12 goals and nine assists. Her best performance of the season came on a five-point day in a win over Cincy Feb. 20.



Nina Montes, M, Princeton

Another Tiger making an immediate impact, midfielder Nina Montes has been a valuable role player on a Princeton offense headlined by senior All-American Kyla Sears. Montes has played in all eight games, starting two, and chipped in 10 goals and two assists to help the Tigers jet off to a 6-2 start.


No disrespect but it is hard to compare any player from the MAC conference with some of the others, there is no competition there, these same players very possible could not get the job done against decent defense.

While it is definitely the exception to the rule, I would not discount the players ability out of hand. Every now and then an exceptional player falls through the cracks (for whatever reason) and does not end up at a Top 20 program. Inside Lacrosse does a pretty good job at evaluating and ranking players so I will assume she is very good. I will agree that in most cases a players performance vs MAC caliber teams will not translate to playing Top 10 - 20 caliber competition. Congratulations none the less.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good for Duke but UVA is terrible (again). The alums and fans continue to tolerate that staff squandering talent year after year after year.

More nonsense, if UVA is terrible, what does that say about the other 100 or so programs below them? There are currently 118 Division I women's lacrosse programs and UVA is certainly one of the Top 20 teams and probably one of the Top 10 to 15 best programs year in and year out.

I will say however that the Virginia coaching staff needs to evaluate their schedule and make some adjustments going forward. Not only does Virginia play one of the most difficult schedules they also play way too many games on very short rest. Two or three days rest may not be a factor when competing against weaker teams but if you are playing a competitive team on two days rest and your opponent has had a week off you will be at a disadvantage. Short rest not only puts physical pressure on the athletes, it gives very little time to prepare (game plan) for your next opponent.

Duke has been given a lot of garbage on here for their weak out of conference schedule but they needed to make the switch and lighten the load several years ago because they were a "Top 20" team and did not make the tournament.

Virginia started their season with 6 games in 17 days, I don't think you will find another team that did that. During that stretch the Cavs played Maryland on 4 days rest (after playing Cal on 2 days rest), they then played Princeton on 2 days rest, then Boston College on 3 Days rest, then Stanford on 4 days rest. After that gauntlet they took a week off before playing 3 games in 7 days... Notre Dame then Richmond and Syracuse both on 3 days rest. After that they had a 5 day break before playing Pitt then 2 days before meeting up with JMU.

Sorry, just not enough rest when playing the caliber of teams that they play. Virginia has too relax their schedule a bit in the future.

UVA is hardly terrible, and maybe they do need to be more careful with OOC scheduling, but I sure hope they don’t go as lame with it as Duke. Duke has a strong, experienced roster this year and it’s a shame they didn’t play a few better OOC matchups.

UVA should be able to handle it with all their top ranked recruits, but I don’t observe them to be as gritty and mentally tough as other teams. Yes, they played 6 games in 17 days but the first two were against Cal and Elon. Other teams play 3-4 tough games bunched together. Arizona State just played 4 ranked teams in 10 days, 2 of them cross country. They lost the first 3 but pulled off the upset in the 4th.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good for Duke but UVA is terrible (again). The alums and fans continue to tolerate that staff squandering talent year after year after year.

More nonsense, if UVA is terrible, what does that say about the other 100 or so programs below them? There are currently 118 Division I women's lacrosse programs and UVA is certainly one of the Top 20 teams and probably one of the Top 10 to 15 best programs year in and year out.

I will say however that the Virginia coaching staff needs to evaluate their schedule and make some adjustments going forward. Not only does Virginia play one of the most difficult schedules they also play way too many games on very short rest. Two or three days rest may not be a factor when competing against weaker teams but if you are playing a competitive team on two days rest and your opponent has had a week off you will be at a disadvantage. Short rest not only puts physical pressure on the athletes, it gives very little time to prepare (game plan) for your next opponent.

Duke has been given a lot of garbage on here for their weak out of conference schedule but they needed to make the switch and lighten the load several years ago because they were a "Top 20" team and did not make the tournament.

Virginia started their season with 6 games in 17 days, I don't think you will find another team that did that. During that stretch the Cavs played Maryland on 4 days rest (after playing Cal on 2 days rest), they then played Princeton on 2 days rest, then Boston College on 3 Days rest, then Stanford on 4 days rest. After that gauntlet they took a week off before playing 3 games in 7 days... Notre Dame then Richmond and Syracuse both on 3 days rest. After that they had a 5 day break before playing Pitt then 2 days before meeting up with JMU.

Sorry, just not enough rest when playing the caliber of teams that they play. Virginia has too relax their schedule a bit in the future.

UVA is hardly terrible, and maybe they do need to be more careful with OOC scheduling, but I sure hope they don’t go as lame with it as Duke. Duke has a strong, experienced roster this year and it’s a shame they didn’t play a few better OOC matchups.

UVA should be able to handle it with all their top ranked recruits, but I don’t observe them to be as gritty and mentally tough as other teams. Yes, they played 6 games in 17 days but the first two were against Cal and Elon. Other teams play 3-4 tough games bunched together. Arizona State just played 4 ranked teams in 10 days, 2 of them cross country. They lost the first 3 but pulled off the upset in the 4th.

Find another team that plays on as little rest against top tier tams as UVA. As for their top ranked recruits, Maryland, Princeton, Boston College, Stanford, Notre Dame, Syracuse, Duke, North Carolina, all bring in their fair share of recruits JMU not too shabby either and Richmond, Louisville, Va Tech are all competitive, Pitt has plenty of experience with all of the transfers. It's not just the difficult schedule, the lack of rest and recovery. I'm guessing that you never competed at a high level, you also seem to want to knock the Virginia "recruits". As for Duke, even with their cupcake OOC schedule their overall strength of schedule is still more difficult than the vast majority of teams.
A few Monday morning musings on the weekend.

1. At 4-7, I do not know how you justify Notre Dame being in the top 20. I don't care about "quality losses" they just don't belong in the top 25. Watching them play, they just don't look like a top team, either.

2. Michigan. Also overrated. They play well when moving the ball fast, but they tend to get stymied by solid defensive teams. No way they should be ranked in the top 20, either and to only drop one spot after losing the last three straight, I just don't see it. They have talent, but the defense overall is lacking. I think an argument can be made for somewhere 21-25, but that's it. There is a possibility they lose 2 of the next three games (Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland). I expected a lot more out of this team this season (yes, I know they were 3-9 in 2021 but it was a tough schedule).

3. Pitt. While they are only 6-7, as a first year team they are putting up some solid first halves in games--three of those losses are by 2 points or less. I'm pleasantly surprised with how this first year team looks and I suspect they could win 3 of the next 4 games.

4. Louisville. What a heartbreaking loss for the Cardinals on Thursday night. They dropped another close one in OT on a last second goal, moving to 5-7. I see only one possible win in their next 5 games. While Scott Teeter had quite the mess to clean up, I don't think he has the key Assistants on staff (as he did at Canisius) to keep this job. I wonder how much longer he can hold on at The Ville?

5. North Carolina. They look like the best all-around team in lacrosse right now, but they will have a good challenge against Syracuse on the 9th. Will they end the Cuse 4 game win streak on Saturday? (My guess is yes.)
Division I Women’s Lacrosse Rankings 4-4-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 North Carolina (12 - 0) 550 (22) 1
2 Boston College (11 - 1) 528 2
3 Northwestern (10 - 2) 497 3
4 Syracuse (10 - 2) 490 4
5 Stony Brook (8 - 2) 440 5
6 Loyola (10 - 1) 433 6
7 Duke (13 - 1) 415 7
8 Denver (11 - 1) 379 9
9 Maryland (10 - 1) 367 8
10 Florida (7 - 4) 366 10
11 James Madison (8 - 4) 321 12
12 Princeton (6 - 2) 310 11
13 USC (8 - 2) 249 17
14 Michigan (9 - 4) 234 13
15 Rutgers (10 - 2) 220 14
16 Virginia (6 - 7) 191 16
17 UMass (10 - 2) 187 18
18 Notre Dame (4 - 7) 183 15
19 Richmond (10 - 2) 157 19
20 UConn (10 - 1) 137 21
21 Jacksonville (7 - 3) 98 23
T22 Stanford (8 - 5) 97 25
T22 Johns Hopkins (6 - 6) 97 20
24 Navy (10 - 2) 78 22
T25 Arizona State (5 - 6) 34 NR
T25 Colorado (9 - 3) 34 24
RV Temple, Yale, Drexel, Liberty, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech, Georgetown,
Division II Women’s Lacrosse Rankings 4-4-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Queens (11 - 0) 647 (23) 1
2 UIndy (8 - 1) 618 (1) 2
3 Adelphi (8 - 0) 603 (2) 3
4 East Stroudsburg (9 - 0) 568 4
5 Florida Southern (8 - 1) 521 6
6 Regis (CO) (9 - 0) 515 7
7 West Chester (7 - 1) 458 8
8 Lindenwood (8 - 2) 449 9
9 Rollins (10 - 0) 435 10
10 Le Moyne (6 - 3) 430 5
11 Grand Valley State (12 - 1) 416 11
12 Embry-Riddle (11 - 0) 353 13
13 Mercy (6 - 3) 293 12
14 Pace (6 - 3) 284 14
15 Tampa (5 - 5) 266 15
T16 Stonehill (6 - 2) 237 18
T16 Roberts Wesleyan (7 - 3) 237 17
18 Assumption (5 - 4) 188 19
19 Saint Anselm (6 - 2) 167 20
20 Bentley (4 - 3) 166 16
21 New Haven (6 - 3) 162 21
22 Seton Hill (8 - 3) 98 22
23 Limestone (8 - 3) 76 23
24 Wingate (9 - 2) 66 25
25 Saint Rose (7 - 2) 59 NR
RV Davenport, Florida Tech, Southern New Hampshire, Mount Olive, Saint Leo, Colorado Mesa, Lynn, Lee, Concordia-St Paul, Bloomsburg
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Division II Women’s Lacrosse Rankings 4-4-2022

Ran Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Queens (11 - 0) 647 (23) 1
2 UIndy (8 - 1) 618 (1) 2
3 Adelphi (8 - 0) 603 (2) 3
4 East Stroudsburg (9 - 0) 568 4
5 Florida Southern (8 - 1) 521 6
6 Regis (CO) (9 - 0) 515 7
7 West Chester (7 - 1) 458 8
8 Lindenwood (8 - 2) 449 9
9 Rollins (10 - 0) 435 10
10 Le Moyne (6 - 3) 430 5
11 Grand Valley State (12 - 1) 416 11
12 Embry-Riddle (11 - 0) 353 13
13 Mercy (6 - 3) 293 12
14 Pace (6 - 3) 284 14
15 Tampa (5 - 5) 266 15
T16 Stonehill (6 - 2) 237 18
T16 Roberts Wesleyan (7 - 3) 237 17
18 Assumption (5 - 4) 188 19
19 Saint Anselm (6 - 2) 167 20
20 Bentley (4 - 3) 166 16
21 New Haven (6 - 3) 162 21
22 Seton Hill (8 - 3) 98 22
23 Limestone (8 - 3) 76 23
24 Wingate (9 - 2) 66 25
25 Saint Rose (7 - 2) 59 NR
RV Davenport, Florida Tech, Southern New Hampshire, Mount Olive, Saint Leo, Colorado Mesa, Lynn, Lee, Con

Pitt is filled with transfers.
Division III Women’s Lacrosse Rankings 4-4-2022

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 Middlebury (9 - 0) 561 (22) 1
2 Franklin & Marshall (9 - 1) 508 5
3 Washington and Lee (9 - 2) 489 3
4 Salisbury (10 - 2) 477 2
5 Colby (8 - 1) 464 6
6 Tufts (6 - 2) 448 7
7 TCNJ (7 - 1) 420 10
8 Gettysburg (7 - 3) 411 4
9 William Smith (8 - 1) 401 8
10 Ithaca (8 - 1) 342 9
11 Wesleyan (CT) (6 - 1) 333 11
12 Hamilton (5 - 1) 315 12
13 York (6 - 4) 275 13
14 Bowdoin (7 - 3) 239 16
15 Messiah (7 - 3) 233 15
16 Catholic (5 - 4) 188 17
17 St. Lawrence (8 - 1) 179 19
18 Trinity (5 - 3) 172 18
19 Brockport (4 - 3) 171 14
20 Amherst (5 - 2) 138 19
21 Denison (6 - 3) 108 21
22 Chicago (8 - 1) 105 22
23 Haverford (6 - 3) 66 23
24 St. John Fisher (2 - 5) 45 25
25 Pomona-Pitzer (7 - 0) 43 NR
RV Cortland, Geneseo, UW-Eau Claire, Roger Williams, MIT, FDU
I am glad to see the refs made the right call in Pitt v SU game on calling no charge on Pitt goal. They called this a charge on loyola player earlier in week. Same players flops a lot. Flopping is unsportsmanlike and should be yellow on the player.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am glad to see the refs made the right call in Pitt v SU game on calling no charge on Pitt goal. They called this a charge on loyola player earlier in week. Same players flops a lot. Flopping is unsportsmanlike and should be yellow on the player.

If we want to watch flopping we can always watch soccer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am glad to see the refs made the right call in Pitt v SU game on calling no charge on Pitt goal. They called this a charge on loyola player earlier in week. Same players flops a lot. Flopping is unsportsmanlike and should be yellow on the player.

It is a very difficult game to officiate but the officials need to do a much better job. Not sure how to solve the problem but they have to come up with a solution because it has gotten bad. Some rule changes would be helpful maybe add an additional official. IDK, but it is hard to watch at times and in too many cases poor officiating impacts the outcome of the game.
ND is a complete joke!!!! They shouldn’t be rewarded for NCAA tournament . Let’s hope someone beats them up soon
Division I Women’s Lacrosse Players of the Week 4-5-2022

Offensive Player of the Week

Ellie Masera – Stony Brook University

In a 16-8 victory against No. 10 Princeton, Masera recorded the fifth most draw controls in a single game in program history (12). The sophomore midfielder also added five goals in the 16-4 win over Arizona State, marking her third five-goal game of the season. After helping Stony Brook to a 2-0 week, Masera earned her third American East Offensive Player of the Week honor. Stony Brook is currently 8-2 and ranked No. 5 in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division I Poll.

Defensive Player of the Week

Taylor Moreno – University of North Carolina

Moreno made a season-high 16 saves in a 15-7 win against Notre Dame, two of which came on a spectacular sequence that earned her a SportsCenter Top 10 berth. She also caused a turnover and gathered a ground ball as the No. 1 Tar Heels improved to 12-0 overall and 5-0 in the ACC this season.
Division II Women’s Lacrosse Players of the Week 4-5-2022

Offensive Player of the Week

Kiki Fitzpatrick – East Stroudsburg University

Fitzpatrick was responsible for 13 points in a 2-0 week for No. 4 East Stroudsburg. She posted a team-best eight assists over the two-game stretch and added five goals to boot. The junior also recorded 10 draw controls and caused four turnovers while scooping four ground balls in a balanced week. Her 49 points on the season rank second on the team for the tenth-ranked scoring offense in Division II.

Defensive Player of the Week

Dani Waters – University of Tampa

Waters tallied a game-high six caused turnovers in Tampa’s 20-8 win against Saint Leo. The senior also picked up a team-high four ground balls. Waters capped the week with her third Sunshine State Conference Defensive Player of the Week honor and currently leads the program in caused turnovers (26) and groundballs (22). Tampa is 5-5 and ranked No. 15 in this week’s ILWomen/IWLCA Division II Poll.
Division III Women’s Lacrosse Players of the Week 4-5-2022

Offensive Player of the Week

Fiona Bundy – Bowdoin College

In Bowdoin’s lone game of the week, Bundy scored a pair of goals, dished out three assists, won seven draw controls, and collected five ground balls in an 11-9 NESCAC win at Amherst. She assisted on the game-winning goal and added an insurance tally in the final 2:20 of the contest. Bundy leads the No. 14 Polar Bears, and ranks among the NESCAC leaders, in points (41), assists (17), draw controls (38) and ground balls (24) this season.

Defensive Player of the Week

Emily Kitchin – Franklin & Marshall University

Kitchin continued her stellar play on the field, registering 15 saves in a 16-10 win against defending national champion No. 2 Salisbury. Rolling off the momentum from the Diplomats upset road victory, Kitchin followed up with eight stopped shots in the win against Swarthmore. Kitchin allowed just four goals in the matchup and finished with a 7.32 GAA and 62.2% save percentage for the week. F&M is 9-1 and took over the second spot in this week’s ILWomen/IWLCA Division III Poll.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ND is a complete joke!!!! They shouldn’t be rewarded for NCAA tournament . Let’s hope someone beats them up soon

Notre Dame finds a way to add Detroit Mercy to their schedule mid season to potentially avoid a sub .500 record and missing a chance for the playoffs and then embarrasses them 27-2. Rooting for Pitt, Marquette and/or Louisville to beat Notre Dame and keep them out of consideration.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ND is a complete joke!!!! They shouldn’t be rewarded for NCAA tournament . Let’s hope someone beats them up soon

Notre Dame finds a way to add Detroit Mercy to their schedule mid season to potentially avoid a sub .500 record and missing a chance for the playoffs and then embarrasses them 27-2. Rooting for Pitt, Marquette and/or Louisville to beat Notre Dame and keep them out of consideration.

Last interesting point on this matter, the Detroit Mercy head coach is a former men's lacrosse player of you guessed it Notre Dame...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ND is a complete joke!!!! They shouldn’t be rewarded for NCAA tournament . Let’s hope someone beats them up soon

Notre Dame finds a way to add Detroit Mercy to their schedule mid season to potentially avoid a sub .500 record and missing a chance for the playoffs and then embarrasses them 27-2. Rooting for Pitt, Marquette and/or Louisville to beat Notre Dame and keep them out of consideration.

Last interesting point on this matter, the Detroit Mercy head coach is a former men's lacrosse player of you guessed it Notre Dame...

While this is certainly embarrassing for ND the NCAA should probably do away with the .500 record requirement. In Division I women's Lacrosse a teams record is not a very good measure of a teams strength. There isnot enough parity across all of DI.
I know a lot of people don’t mind it but I can’t stand the transfer portal. One good season and then boom off to somewhere else. Three kids from St Peter’s leaving the school to go to a bigger college. This year could have changed that program and now it won’t. I get it. If the coach can do it why can’t the kids. I think it just stinks. Deion Sanders talked about it saying that high school kids who play football are gonna have a hard time getting recruited to power colleges with the transfers. I wonder how this is gonna impact girls lax. Usually a team is looking for 6-8 freshman. Recruiting was impacted with the 5th year the last two years and next year. But I have a feeling girls are gonna have a hard time making a top ranked school going forward unless they are truly the top of their field. Then it’s gonna trickle down to every school and every division.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know a lot of people don’t mind it but I can’t stand the transfer portal. One good season and then boom off to somewhere else. Three kids from St Peter’s leaving the school to go to a bigger college. This year could have changed that program and now it won’t. I get it. If the coach can do it why can’t the kids. I think it just stinks. Deion Sanders talked about it saying that high school kids who play football are gonna have a hard time getting recruited to po