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Why a partial refund? You paid for a service if its cancelled two options either a full refund or credit for next summer season.
Season starts in fall. most teams winter train too. Tournaments have been paid for. I am sure clubs will work with parents to get some credit or refund.
Lets hope for summer season to happen.
I can see some offer. Like 1000 dollar check back. Maybe 1200,1500 credit towards next season. Something like that. Let’s face it, if 250,300 kids play for a club. They aren’t cutting a million dollars in checks. They aren’t Fortune 500 companies. Yes they do well, some really well, but that’s not happening. Remember, it isn’t clubs fault this situation is happening. Second most club directors are regular guys, with regular jobs. Yes they make profits, but I don’t think most clubs even have a million bucks sitting in accounts to even give refunds of this magnitude.
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I can see some offer. Like 1000 dollar check back. Maybe 1200,1500 credit towards next season. Something like that. Let’s face it, if 250,300 kids play for a club. They aren’t cutting a million dollars in checks. They aren’t Fortune 500 companies. Yes they do well, some really well, but that’s not happening. Remember, it isn’t clubs fault this situation is happening. Second most club directors are regular guys, with regular jobs. Yes they make profits, but I don’t think most clubs even have a million bucks sitting in accounts to even give refunds of this magnitude.


Yea, I agree. You also have to remember that club started in the Fall for most clubs and I believe July will be comprised of playing (being optimistic) so therefore a couple of months were affected by this virus. It’s times like this when we should support the small businesses and work with them rather than get a prorated amount which they unlikely have...
Originally Posted by 2waymiddie
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can see some offer. Like 1000 dollar check back. Maybe 1200,1500 credit towards next season. Something like that. Let’s face it, if 250,300 kids play for a club. They aren’t cutting a million dollars in checks. They aren’t Fortune 500 companies. Yes they do well, some really well, but that’s not happening. Remember, it isn’t clubs fault this situation is happening. Second most club directors are regular guys, with regular jobs. Yes they make profits, but I don’t think most clubs even have a million bucks sitting in accounts to even give refunds of this magnitude.


Yea, I agree. You also have to remember that club started in the Fall for most clubs and I believe July will be comprised of playing (being optimistic) so therefore a couple of months were affected by this virus. It’s times like this when we should support the small businesses and work with them rather than get a prorated amount which they unlikely have...


Get the heck out of here. Some of these clubs charge late fees, percentage if credit card used. advertised a service from beginning (fall) to last tournament. If partial service is received, partial refund is given. They've made very good salaries (owners) for many years, and raised prices annually. Don't mix personal feelings with business!
Should be pro rated.. A credit wont work because you may not be back next season... There was fall training and tourneys.... So they earned some compensation. What about the 1000 fundraisers for Denver? where does that $ go? They should donate it to research for this virus....That being said you will be charged a "Refund fee" that wipes out the refund. Good luck!
Hopefully, everything will workout for the summer season. If for some reason the season does get cancelled, I believe the reputation of these clubs will hinge on how they handle the situation. I'll be watching it closely.
Originally Posted by LaxMod
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if the tournaments that have to cancel and cannot reschedule do not give refunds to the clubs do not expect refunds from the clubs.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by LaxMod
Thoughts?

if the tournaments that have to cancel and cannot reschedule do not give refunds to the clubs do not expect refunds from the clubs.


why would the tournaments not be able to refund the teams that paid already?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by LaxMod
Thoughts?

if the tournaments that have to cancel and cannot reschedule do not give refunds to the clubs do not expect refunds from the clubs.


why would the tournaments not be able to refund the teams that paid already?

Lawyers
LOL this is funny. Outfits that make you pay for a letter of recommendation, imply that privates are essential, make crazy profits on swag, tell you to bring your own ball to tryout and to pay for that tryout. The same outfits that double dip by running clubs AND tournament circuits. These are the ethical people we think are going to fully refund fees? Yeah ok
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL this is funny. Outfits that make you pay for a letter of recommendation, imply that privates are essential, make crazy profits on swag, tell you to bring your own ball to tryout and to pay for that tryout. The same outfits that double dip by running clubs AND tournament circuits. These are the ethical people we think are going to fully refund fees? Yeah ok


Sad but soooo true!
Some clubs have already scheduled tryouts; Legacy, Igloo.
I will not give any of these clubs a dime of my money in advance!
I dont expect a full refund lets be real . They bought equipment, indoor , fall tournaments and some winter . BUT .. missing winter practice , spring practices and summer tournaments. They are quick to throw a late fee out and charge $125 for extra tournament like legacy. Give something back to the consumer while that money is growing in there accounts. Its easy to figure out how much they bring in simple adding , multiplying and division they make great money that they can afford
Partial refund. Don’t give me “hey next year” it will go to tuition. No way Don’t fall for it people DON’T!!!!! Lets gets smart to these people . Be safe
Even if it does come back missing practices now which is $$$ . I know we are in a bad Situation now. They have to refund . No question about it . All sports have to , know a friend pays $4,500 for baseball . No word there also. These clubs not loyal to you then we are to them . Speak up , call them , email them . Put pressure on them . If you just paid a payment call your credit card , i did and got that payment back. Hopefully the LAX customer starts to smarten up . If your not happy with your Landscaper see how fast you call them or dont pay them !!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I dont expect a full refund lets be real . They bought equipment, indoor , fall tournaments and some winter . BUT .. missing winter practice , spring practices and summer tournaments. They are quick to throw a late fee out and charge $125 for extra tournament like legacy. Give something back to the consumer while that money is growing in there accounts. Its easy to figure out how much they bring in simple adding , multiplying and division they make great money that they can afford
Partial refund. Don’t give me “hey next year” it will go to tuition. No way Don’t fall for it people DON’T!!!!! Lets gets smart to these people . Be safe


Agree. No credit towards next year, son isn't returning to same club if there is a next season. Has anyone received an update on clubs intentions once things open up? I haven't, I know they took the money from my account 2 week ago. Additionally, club was holding paid for clinics up until last Friday!
If the rest of the season? Let’s cross that bridge if and when we get there. If things start in time for Summer, I am fine and wouldn’t even expect a refund. It is just missing a few months in the midst of a global crisis. Heck some clubs do nothing for months anyway.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I dont expect a full refund lets be real . They bought equipment, indoor , fall tournaments and some winter . BUT .. missing winter practice , spring practices and summer tournaments. They are quick to throw a late fee out and charge $125 for extra tournament like legacy. Give something back to the consumer while that money is growing in there accounts. Its easy to figure out how much they bring in simple adding , multiplying and division they make great money that they can afford
Partial refund. Don’t give me “hey next year” it will go to tuition. No way Don’t fall for it people DON’T!!!!! Lets gets smart to these people . Be safe


Agree. No credit towards next year, son isn't returning to same club if there is a next season. Has anyone received an update on clubs intentions once things open up? I haven't, I know they took the money from my account 2 week ago. Additionally, club was holding paid for clinics up until last Friday!

Call credit card tell them or call your club . Everyone venting on BOTC guess what vent to them. Typical in the Lacrosse world dont say anything to the clubs . WHY ?? Your the paying customer .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Even if it does come back missing practices now which is $$$ . I know we are in a bad Situation now. They have to refund . No question about it . All sports have to , know a friend pays $4,500 for baseball . No word there also. These clubs not loyal to you then we are to them . Speak up , call them , email them . Put pressure on them . If you just paid a payment call your credit card , i did and got that payment back. Hopefully the LAX customer starts to smarten up . If your not happy with your Landscaper see how fast you call them or dont pay them !!!


Yes very true , get other parents going . Times are tough everyone don’t live privileged lacrosse world. Parents make it happen put there kids in the sport , we deal with increasing fees every year and increase tryout fees every yr .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can see some offer. Like 1000 dollar check back. Maybe 1200,1500 credit towards next season. Something like that. Let’s face it, if 250,300 kids play for a club. They aren’t cutting a million dollars in checks. They aren’t Fortune 500 companies. Yes they do well, some really well, but that’s not happening. Remember, it isn’t clubs fault this situation is happening. Second most club directors are regular guys, with regular jobs. Yes they make profits, but I don’t think most clubs even have a million bucks sitting in accounts to even give refunds of this magnitude.


Then where did the money go?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I dont expect a full refund lets be real . They bought equipment, indoor , fall tournaments and some winter . BUT .. missing winter practice , spring practices and summer tournaments. They are quick to throw a late fee out and charge $125 for extra tournament like legacy. Give something back to the consumer while that money is growing in there accounts. Its easy to figure out how much they bring in simple adding , multiplying and division they make great money that they can afford
Partial refund. Don’t give me “hey next year” it will go to tuition. No way Don’t fall for it people DON’T!!!!! Lets gets smart to these people . Be safe


Agree. No credit towards next year, son isn't returning to same club if there is a next season. Has anyone received an update on clubs intentions once things open up? I haven't, I know they took the money from my account 2 week ago. Additionally, club was holding paid for clinics up until last Friday!


Ridiculous having clinics but practice is cancelled at the same facility ? Theres only a few clubs that i know of have there own place. Think someone said in on a different topic about that organization.
The economy has ground to a halt.
Cuomo is saying NYS is bankrupt.
Hopefully we can bounce back quickly but if it does not, parents will bring pitchforks and torches out against the clubs who not do the right thing.
Express held off taking next scheduled payment. Other clubs must follow.
Travel ball will happen! School ball Na!
Express North did same. Pushed back payments 5/8 but left door open for summer but admitted they and all other clubs don't know what to do. Nothing liek this has happened in 100 years.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express held off taking next scheduled payment. Other clubs must follow.

Yeah and ? Next payments , how about the payments before that covers now and beyond?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express North did same. Pushed back payments 5/8 but left door open for summer but admitted they and all other clubs don't know what to do. Nothing liek this has happened in 100 years.


Well the Turtles took the last payment, cancelled practices, but held paid for clinics at the Turtle Dome.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express North did same. Pushed back payments 5/8 but left door open for summer but admitted they and all other clubs don't know what to do. Nothing liek this has happened in 100 years.


Well the Turtles took the last payment, cancelled practices, but held paid for clinics at the Turtle Dome.


Did they ? Heard 91 giving partial tuition back .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express North did same. Pushed back payments 5/8 but left door open for summer but admitted they and all other clubs don't know what to do. Nothing liek this has happened in 100 years.


Well the Turtles took the last payment, cancelled practices, but held paid for clinics at the Turtle Dome.


Did they ? Heard 91 giving partial tuition back .


The owner of the Turtles is bad news. Believe me, business wise, if he felt you were screwing him over, he would not hesitate serving you with legal papers.
Big clubs should have no problem with some refund. Smaller ones might not have cash on hand. I believe all will do right thing for families. BOC has a few stunads on it, but in general the lax community are good people. We need to get through this all together and come out stronger. God Bless and wishing all good health. Nothing, I mean nothing else matters right now
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Even if it does come back missing practices now which is $$$ . I know we are in a bad Situation now. They have to refund . No question about it . All sports have to , know a friend pays $4,500 for baseball . No word there also. These clubs not loyal to you then we are to them . Speak up , call them , email them . Put pressure on them . If you just paid a payment call your credit card , i did and got that payment back. Hopefully the LAX customer starts to smarten up . If your not happy with your Landscaper see how fast you call them or dont pay them !!!


Agreed! Show me my money!!
Ok i know for a fact all club directors on here they advertise on BOTC and see, read people talking . Directors start talking , stop hiding time to act . You have customers money . Do whats right . People losing there jobs . You give back . You jack up tuitions year after year . Lets Go . 91 , Express , igloo 24, turtles , outlaws , rush , rebels , shore to shore , empire and many more lets go .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok i know for a fact all club directors on here they advertise on BOTC and see, read people talking . Directors start talking , stop hiding time to act . You have customers money . Do whats right . People losing there jobs . You give back . You jack up tuitions year after year . Lets Go . 91 , Express , igloo 24, turtles , outlaws , rush , rebels , shore to shore , empire and many more lets go .


This is a great post. My wife lost her job and we're down to one month of savings in the bank. I already got a refund on my other memberships and I need a break on three club teams I paid an entire year for already. PLEASE REFUND
For most clubs the #1 expense will be the tournament fees. In many cases, those fees have been paid (at least in part) for Sping and Summer tournaments. Those tournaments which are cancelled SHOULD refund registration fees. If/when that happens, the Clubs should certainly refund a prorated amount back to families.
a credit or a refund of course...what clubs are not doing ?
Which clubs have NOT contacted parents regarding this issue? If so please name;

1) Turtles
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Which clubs have NOT contacted parents regarding this issue? If so please name;

1) Turtles


What about girls clubs?
Credits wont work. Partial refund would be the right thing to do.
Dont want credit , don't want hey take care of you clinics or tryouts start from scratch they they do pay the customer ??? 91 paents speak up , express parents speak up ?
what about extending the season? we waste good playing months like august and september with no tournaments.
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what about extending the season? we waste good playing months like august and september with no tournaments.


Recruiting dead period. The kids hurt most are 2021s. Coaches have already said they’re holding off recruiting them because of the overflow of kids sticking around
A lot of the boys are playing football and soccer in August and September so that doesn't work.
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A lot of the boys are playing football and soccer in August and September so that doesn't work.


Your little Johnny who fake flops on the soccer field can't play lax in the Fall? Woosie
Spoken like a true stunad - lax on lost.
Why are they giving money back now...Summer season is on at this time? Maybe sometime in June they might after tournaments cancelled
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Why are they giving money back now...Summer season is on at this time? Maybe sometime in June they might after tournaments cancelled


Come on every pro sport is done . Maybe NFL delayed. US open tennis in September hearing might be cancelled and you really think youth Lacrosse at a rented field that is usually at a school is a go ?
Ok 91 and express the largest population of youth lax right ? In multiple states some age groups have 3 teams . Thats alot of kids boys and girls team . I would say alot of parents are on this site right ? Ok has 91 and express reached out to the customer about whats going on and the future , maybe money back ETC ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL this is funny. Outfits that make you pay for a letter of recommendation, imply that privates are essential, make crazy profits on swag, tell you to bring your own ball to tryout and to pay for that tryout. The same outfits that double dip by running clubs AND tournament circuits. These are the ethical people we think are going to fully refund fees? Yeah ok



BYOB????
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of the boys are playing football and soccer in August and September so that doesn't work.


Your little Johnny who fake flops on the soccer field can't play lax in the Fall? Woosie


wow, no need to be like that. Save that nonsense talk for your friends tough man
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why are they giving money back now...Summer season is on at this time? Maybe sometime in June they might after tournaments cancelled


Come on every pro sport is done . Maybe NFL delayed. US open tennis in September hearing might be cancelled and you really think youth Lacrosse at a rented field that is usually at a school is a go ?


Excellent point. Well said
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL this is funny. Outfits that make you pay for a letter of recommendation, imply that privates are essential, make crazy profits on swag, tell you to bring your own ball to tryout and to pay for that tryout. The same outfits that double dip by running clubs AND tournament circuits. These are the ethical people we think are going to fully refund fees? Yeah ok



BYOB????


Sadly yes, one of the largest clubs on Long Island requires you to bring a ball to a paid tryout and the coaches are on their own pretty much throughout the season with respect to balls etc.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL this is funny. Outfits that make you pay for a letter of recommendation, imply that privates are essential, make crazy profits on swag, tell you to bring your own ball to tryout and to pay for that tryout. The same outfits that double dip by running clubs AND tournament circuits. These are the ethical people we think are going to fully refund fees? Yeah ok



BYOB????


Sadly yes, one of the largest clubs on Long Island requires you to bring a ball to a paid tryout and the coaches are on their own pretty much throughout the season with respect to balls etc.



which club makes you bring your own ball to tryouts?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL this is funny. Outfits that make you pay for a letter of recommendation, imply that privates are essential, make crazy profits on swag, tell you to bring your own ball to tryout and to pay for that tryout. The same outfits that double dip by running clubs AND tournament circuits. These are the ethical people we think are going to fully refund fees? Yeah ok



BYOB????


Sadly yes, one of the largest clubs on Long Island requires you to bring a ball to a paid tryout and the coaches are on their own pretty much throughout the season with respect to balls etc.



which club makes you bring your own ball to tryouts?


Yellow Jackets, what a joke!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL this is funny. Outfits that make you pay for a letter of recommendation, imply that privates are essential, make crazy profits on swag, tell you to bring your own ball to tryout and to pay for that tryout. The same outfits that double dip by running clubs AND tournament circuits. These are the ethical people we think are going to fully refund fees? Yeah ok



BYOB????


That is hilarious ! BYOB !! I heard they had a portable rental trailer there with everything . Goals ( good rate) , cones ( little overpriced), paint to line field ( supposebly at cost)
I'm sure they'll just put together some crappy local tournaments so they don't have to refund the $.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok 91 and express the largest population of youth lax right ? In multiple states some age groups have 3 teams . Thats alot of kids boys and girls team . I would say alot of parents are on this site right ? Ok has 91 and express reached out to the customer about whats going on and the future , maybe money back ETC ?

Ok ill respond to my own post . You parents dont respond to this why ?? If i said something about your team or coach see how fast you would come back with a comment. Your all fake , you never want to shuffle the feathers with in the organization you pay for .Your all fake bottom line . Pay 4k next yr u suckers !
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok 91 and express the largest population of youth lax right ? In multiple states some age groups have 3 teams . Thats alot of kids boys and girls team . I would say alot of parents are on this site right ? Ok has 91 and express reached out to the customer about whats going on and the future , maybe money back ETC ?



Most clubs are in a holding pattern to see exactly what happens. When a final decision has actually been made, and spring/summer is definitely cancelled, i’m sure there will be more dialogue as to refunds / credits / etc. Most reasonable people believe that this spring/summer season is not happening, but there is no final decision / declaration, so why would anyone get crazy at this exact moment about refunding money etc?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok 91 and express the largest population of youth lax right ? In multiple states some age groups have 3 teams . Thats alot of kids boys and girls team . I would say alot of parents are on this site right ? Ok has 91 and express reached out to the customer about whats going on and the future , maybe money back ETC ?

Ok ill respond to my own post . You parents dont respond to this why ?? If i said something about your team or coach see how fast you would come back with a comment. Your all fake , you never want to shuffle the feathers with in the organization you pay for .Your all fake bottom line . Pay 4k next yr u suckers !


put the wine down!
Our club reached out and stated that should cancellations happen an appropriate refund would be given. They feel that by May, there would be a more clear picture of what would be happening in summer. We are not an East Coast club so travel and re-scheduled tournaments can be a very expensive option for us and every other team not on the East Coast. Not sure what this summer will look like, but I hope to at least have my children playing by July if it’s safe.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok 91 and express the largest population of youth lax right ? In multiple states some age groups have 3 teams . Thats alot of kids boys and girls team . I would say alot of parents are on this site right ? Ok has 91 and express reached out to the customer about whats going on and the future , maybe money back ETC ?

Ok ill respond to my own post . You parents dont respond to this why ?? If i said something about your team or coach see how fast you would come back with a comment. Your all fake , you never want to shuffle the feathers with in the organization you pay for .Your all fake bottom line . Pay 4k next yr u suckers !


put the wine down!


Go as B.S or M.C for a refund !
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express North did same. Pushed back payments 5/8 but left door open for summer but admitted they and all other clubs don't know what to do. Nothing liek this has happened in 100 years.


Well the Turtles took the last payment, cancelled practices, but held paid for clinics at the Turtle Dome.


Did they ? Heard 91 giving partial tuition back .


The owner of the Turtles is bad news. Believe me, business wise, if he felt you were screwing him over, he would not hesitate serving you with legal papers.


??? Really ?
Big excuse will be all spring tournments are paid for already . Does the clubs pay all tournaments up front ? I been to good tournaments paid the day of .
My son's club owner/director sends out an email saying "Turtles organization" monitoring the COVDI-19 situation, like they are doing us a favor. I have more than one child playing with them, and when I call, I receive the typical "we have to wait and see answer." Money is tight right now, and what makes them (Turtles) so special compared to the rest of us? I will never buy anything from their store(s) again. Last months AMEX bill was paid, but I will call to take back the charge from March 1st, But first, when I call AMEX, I'll explain; we have to wait and see before you get paid. Wonder what their response will be?
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Listen man, I want money back also. There must be 300 kids on club team. 4 grand a kid. Do teams have 1.2 million in an account? Half refund would be 600 grand. Do they have that laying around? I have no idea. I don’t own a lacrosse club. I made 180 grand last year. After taxes 130 grand. I couldn’t write a check for 10 grand right now. I live on my pay checks. My family lives on these checks. My point is at the end of the year I didn’t have 130 grand sitting in a bank account. Do these clubs have money to do this? It’s not Disney, It’s not McDonald’s, these club teams aren’t Fortune 500 companies. My friend just got in a fight with airline because he wanted money back, instead he got a credit voucher for next year. He wanted money to pay bills, not 2021 airline tickets. It’s crazy what’s going on right now. I know nothing about owning a club lacrosse team. I would be shocked if they had a million dollars sitting in a bank account. I hope I’m wrong. I’d love a nice check back.
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My son's club owner/director sends out an email saying "Turtles organization" monitoring the COVDI-19 situation, like they are doing us a favor. I have more than one child playing with them, and when I call, I receive the typical "we have to wait and see answer." Money is tight right now, and what makes them (Turtles) so special compared to the rest of us? I will never buy anything from their store(s) again. Last months AMEX bill was paid, but I will call to take back the charge from March 1st, But first, when I call AMEX, I'll explain; we have to wait and see before you get paid. Wonder what their response will be?


Seen or read something in the past the owner of the turtles knows the people that run BOTC and he will find out who you are posting. Lol shame on BOTC if they do that . Man alot of heat on this turtles club didnt they just start up ?
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Listen man, I want money back also. There must be 300 kids on club team. 4 grand a kid. Do teams have 1.2 million in an account? Half refund would be 600 grand. Do they have that laying around? I have no idea. I don’t own a lacrosse club. I made 180 grand last year. After taxes 130 grand. I couldn’t write a check for 10 grand right now. I live on my pay checks. My family lives on these checks. My point is at the end of the year I didn’t have 130 grand sitting in a bank account. Do these clubs have money to do this? It’s not Disney, It’s not McDonald’s, these club teams aren’t Fortune 500 companies. My friend just got in a fight with airline because he wanted money back, instead he got a credit voucher for next year. He wanted money to pay bills, not 2021 airline tickets. It’s crazy what’s going on right now. I know nothing about owning a club lacrosse team. I would be shocked if they had a million dollars sitting in a bank account. I hope I’m wrong. I’d love a nice check back.

Hey Man. I don't think anyone is expecting to receive a FULL refund. But taking the last payment on March 1st? I don't know the expense of running a lax club. Anyone can research the amount paid for each tournament along with low quality coach staff and many of these clubs are making a small fortune for the service they provide. It's simple math; March 1st payment was due, on average $500, 23 kids x 7 teams. so tell me, you can't refund a portion of the last payment? On top of that, the owners kid was running paid for clinics at the Turtle dome after hopkins canceled their season. It's bad business!

https://turtleslax.com/collections/deposits
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Big excuse will be all spring tournments are paid for already . Does the clubs pay all tournaments up front ? I been to good tournaments paid the day of .


A number of tournaments require at least 1/2 down early in the year. Just the way it is.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son's club owner/director sends out an email saying "Turtles organization" monitoring the COVDI-19 situation, like they are doing us a favor. I have more than one child playing with them, and when I call, I receive the typical "we have to wait and see answer." Money is tight right now, and what makes them (Turtles) so special compared to the rest of us? I will never buy anything from their store(s) again. Last months AMEX bill was paid, but I will call to take back the charge from March 1st, But first, when I call AMEX, I'll explain; we have to wait and see before you get paid. Wonder what their response will be?


Seen or read something in the past the owner of the turtles knows the people that run BOTC and he will find out who you are posting. Lol shame on BOTC if they do that . Man alot of heat on this turtles club didnt they just start up ?


Are you referring to this;
Website forums and Back of the cage. I have not been on these sites since November of 2011 and I've never slept better. We expect that no Turtles parents engage in any commentary on any online forums. It is toxic waste of the most epic proportion and the idea that people think it's appropriate to write terrible things about young boys is pathetic. Please do not be one of these people who need to get a life. No teams or players are getting scholarships at this age and these forums that allow anonymous commenting are terrible for the sport. DON'T DO IT.
Sounds like you don't know how to manage your money knucklehead,haha
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like you don't know how to manage your money knucklehead,haha


I do very well managing my money, but when I pay for a service and don't receive those services, there's a problem. Seems like some club owners, especially the ones short in stature, can't manage their money.
Seriously if you are so unhappy with your club coach or director. Call him or email him directly. That’s what I would do. Not on an anonymous site.
When you say all this bashing, you just don’t know if all this is a lot of people or just 1 person.
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Seriously if you are so unhappy with your club coach or director. Call him or email him directly. That’s what I would do. Not on an anonymous site.

Whats happens if you already did ? Then they can tell you its ok , then its the same old same ? Customers have the right to say what they want to say .
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seriously if you are so unhappy with your club coach or director. Call him or email him directly. That’s what I would do. Not on an anonymous site.

Whats happens if you already did ? Then they can tell you its ok , then its the same old same ? Customers have the right to say what they want to say .


Then they take it out on your kid. You get pissed off at the coach, then the coach runs to the director and says you threatened him.
Customers have a right to say what they want to say. I just don’t think these personal gripes you have, will get resolved on this board. You sound really mad at your coach. I can tell you this, no club team is perfect. Some sort of problems on every team. If your phone conversation or email doesn’t resolve your problem, have your son tryout elsewhere next season. Good luck to you.
Now that spring club practices should have began, we all should be getting refunds for a service we paid for but are not receiving
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now that spring club practices should have began, we all should be getting refunds for a service we paid for but are not receiving

How about the last 5 weeks ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now that spring club practices should have began, we all should be getting refunds for a service we paid for but are not receiving

How about the last 5 weeks ?

So whats a good start $20-$25 per practice at its minimum ??
detest to be the bearer of bad news, but most clubs probably don't have the money to issue refunds. They have likely already paid out a good percentage of their money for tournament/league fees, field rentals and insurance. Maybe when things settle out there will be some refunds flowing back through the clubs to parents, but that will not happen for awhile.
Summer Tournaments will try to push to the fall before they cancel. Clubs won't have tryouts this summer. Teams kept intact and you will get a partial credit for next season.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
detest to be the bearer of bad news, but most clubs probably don't have the money to issue refunds. They have likely already paid out a good percentage of their money for tournament/league fees, field rentals and insurance. Maybe when things settle out there will be some refunds flowing back through the clubs to parents, but that will not happen for awhile.


I call B.S on that , really do . Just say 1 team at $3,000 24 kids on team . Thats $72k . Theres clubs out there 2029-2021 and 2,3 teams each age group . Come on .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Summer Tournaments will try to push to the fall before they cancel. Clubs won't have tryouts this summer. Teams kept intact and you will get a partial credit for next season.


This makes the most sense. However, didn't a couple of clubs post dates for early try-outs? Or was that just a rumor?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Summer Tournaments will try to push to the fall before they cancel. Clubs won't have tryouts this summer. Teams kept intact and you will get a partial credit for next season.


Will be tough to do in HS with Fall Sports......

Deduct the uniform fee and refund my money......they don't thousands of small claim judgments or a call to the IRS. ZZ
It was so much easier with the local rec model. Same set of kids and 25% of the cost.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was so much easier with the local rec model. Same set of kids and 25% of the cost.


100% agree....unfortunately it has become an industry of people making money on the hope and dreams of parents. Blame the clubs and the parents.....
Man-O-Man nothing from the clubs what so ever . Wake up people when they want a payment you hear from them . They are not loyal as you are to them . They wouldn’t even have your address on file to send you the payment back. They all are slime balls . Didn’t even get a nice Happy Easter from them . But no body will learn when life goes back to normal everyone will pay more for tryouts and more for tuition. They don’t want to help some families in desperate needs and do the right thing , one club owner called my friend about a payment and threatened him about small claim and his son wont play for another team next year.
I'm looking for a refund from travel and the town team I paid for. I paid 1K for the town summer travel team and haven't heard a pepe from them.
That sounds hard to believe. What club threatened your friend ? Question is, how can they require payment when they can't provide the service that you are paying for.
If anyone has paid fees for winter and spring training/sessions/practice they should have issued refunds.
Summer payments are still in limbo. If summer is cancelled, I am sure there is a parent of one of these kids playing for one of these organizations that could put together a class action lawsuit. Unless the clubs do the right thing and refund payments.
I think it’s a wait and see at this point with clubs. This never happened before. Nobody knows what’s going on. Even the so called experts. If your club is actually collecting money right now, that’s a problem. That’s awful. However as far as refunds go. We need to be patient. If clubs go June and half of July that’s 6 weeks. Maybe a smaller refund would be credited. If there is no June and July, a larger refund would be credited. I assume this would take place. Nobody knows what June will be. I’d love a refund check. I could use the money. There has to be some flexibility with the clubs, there had to be some flexibility with customers.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That sounds hard to believe. What club threatened your friend ? Question is, how can they require payment when they can't provide the service that you are paying for.
If anyone has paid fees for winter and spring training/sessions/practice they should have issued refunds.
Summer payments are still in limbo. If summer is cancelled, I am sure there is a parent of one of these kids playing for one of these organizations that could put together a class action lawsuit. Unless the clubs do the right thing and refund payments.


Don't need a class action, too expensive unless a lawyer dad want to do it, small claims suits are the way to $25 to file. Can you imagine 100 of lawsuits coming your way? They will pay up or go bankrupt.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That sounds hard to believe. What club threatened your friend ? Question is, how can they require payment when they can't provide the service that you are paying for.
If anyone has paid fees for winter and spring training/sessions/practice they should have issued refunds.
Summer payments are still in limbo. If summer is cancelled, I am sure there is a parent of one of these kids playing for one of these organizations that could put together a class action lawsuit. Unless the clubs do the right thing and refund payments.


https://www.classlawgroup.com/faq/how-do-i-start-a-class-action-lawsuit/
Cant get refund but one Director puts pics online of his new 40k square foot HQ of his business and his giant house on the north shore !! Keep buying lacrosse stuff from him . Buy online better deals then LU .
It’s not the directors fault for the Corona Virus. Relax. We are all in business to make money, like everyone of us and other business in the world. I’m sure the house and headquarters were built way before the Corona virus. Why don’t you wait and see how the refund process plays out before you criticize.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Travel ball will happen! School ball Na!

Where will travel ball play if all the schools/fields/parks they rent fields from are closed ? We are running in to that problem in MD. Even if clubs want to play - where will be open and willing to let people congregate in groups for lacrosee games ?
Most clubs are in a holding pattern to see exactly what happens. When a final decision has actually been made, and spring/summer is definitely cancelled, i’m sure there will be more dialogue as to refunds / credits / etc. Most reasonable people believe that this spring/summer season is not happening, but there is no final decision / declaration, so why would anyone get crazy at this exact moment about refunding money etc?[/quote]

I can tell you why people are getting crazy in MD ... because clubs are beginning to ask for more money. They've already collected money for spring which is a no-go - now they want us to fork over more money for a summer that may not happen
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most clubs are in a holding pattern to see exactly what happens. When a final decision has actually been made, and spring/summer is definitely cancelled, i’m sure there will be more dialogue as to refunds / credits / etc. Most reasonable people believe that this spring/summer season is not happening, but there is no final decision / declaration, so why would anyone get crazy at this exact moment about refunding money etc?


I can tell you why people are getting crazy in MD ... because clubs are beginning to ask for more money. They've already collected money for spring which is a no-go - now they want us to fork over more money for a summer that may not happen
[/quote]

I feel bad for your Maryland parents. After holding your kids back time and time again you are probably on your 18th year of travel lacrosse payments. Must be tough.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s not the directors fault for the Corona Virus. Relax. We are all in business to make money, like everyone of us and other business in the world. I’m sure the house and headquarters were built way before the Corona virus. Why don’t you wait and see how the refund process plays out before you criticize.


And that points out the problem with travel lax. When coaching becomes a "business" then its no longer about the sport, of your passion for the sport or most importantly, the kids.

The problem with waiting and relaxing about refunds is that the parents already know how bad these clubs treats most of them and don't trust them. If the club/parent relationship was solid, I would agree about relaxing and waiting. But blame the parents and clubs for this situation. Express only takes CC because its easier for them and then they card you processing fees on thousands of dollars!!!! Hard to be patient with a club like that.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most clubs are in a holding pattern to see exactly what happens. When a final decision has actually been made, and spring/summer is definitely cancelled, i’m sure there will be more dialogue as to refunds / credits / etc. Most reasonable people believe that this spring/summer season is not happening, but there is no final decision / declaration, so why would anyone get crazy at this exact moment about refunding money etc?


I can tell you why people are getting crazy in MD ... because clubs are beginning to ask for more money. They've already collected money for spring which is a no-go - now they want us to fork over more money for a summer that may not happen
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That's the issue, "Who" has the final decision? All travel teams in this country run without any kind of consumer protection. My only advice would be for you to contact your credit card company immediately and try to get them to put a dispute on the travel team charges. I wouldn't pay another red cent to any of these clubs.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most clubs are in a holding pattern to see exactly what happens. When a final decision has actually been made, and spring/summer is definitely cancelled, i’m sure there will be more dialogue as to refunds / credits / etc. Most reasonable people believe that this spring/summer season is not happening, but there is no final decision / declaration, so why would anyone get crazy at this exact moment about refunding money etc?


I can tell you why people are getting crazy in MD ... because clubs are beginning to ask for more money. They've already collected money for spring which is a no-go - now they want us to fork over more money for a summer that may not happen
[/quote]

What club in MD is asking for more money? If your club is asking you for more money right now you are being scammed. I have to call BS on this. My kid plays club in MD and we talk to parents from many of the other clubs. If a club asked them for more money right now they would leave. There's too many options.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most clubs are in a holding pattern to see exactly what happens. When a final decision has actually been made, and spring/summer is definitely cancelled, i’m sure there will be more dialogue as to refunds / credits / etc. Most reasonable people believe that this spring/summer season is not happening, but there is no final decision / declaration, so why would anyone get crazy at this exact moment about refunding money etc?


I can tell you why people are getting crazy in MD ... because clubs are beginning to ask for more money. They've already collected money for spring which is a no-go - now they want us to fork over more money for a summer that may not happen


I feel bad for your Maryland parents. After holding your kids back time and time again you are probably on your 18th year of travel lacrosse payments. Must be tough.[/quote]

I feel bad for New York parents with everything going on in the world we still live in your heads and then then whoop you on the field
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most clubs are in a holding pattern to see exactly what happens. When a final decision has actually been made, and spring/summer is definitely cancelled, i’m sure there will be more dialogue as to refunds / credits / etc. Most reasonable people believe that this spring/summer season is not happening, but there is no final decision / declaration, so why would anyone get crazy at this exact moment about refunding money etc?


I can tell you why people are getting crazy in MD ... because clubs are beginning to ask for more money. They've already collected money for spring which is a no-go - now they want us to fork over more money for a summer that may not happen


I feel bad for your Maryland parents. After holding your kids back time and time again you are probably on your 18th year of travel lacrosse payments. Must be tough.


I feel bad for New York parents with everything going on in the world we still live in your heads and then then whoop you on the field[/quote]

LOL..... Your posting in the NY forum genius. Who is in who's head?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]

What club in MD is asking for more money? If your club is asking you for more money right now you are being scammed. I have to call BS on this. My kid plays club in MD and we talk to parents from many of the other clubs. If a club asked them for more money right now they would leave. There's too many options.


M&D emailed all of their families yesterday informing them that it was time to pay their summer fees. They sent out 2 emails, one from Robinson and one from his staff to arrange payment plans of needed. What a joke.
IWLCA cancelled all of their recruiting tournaments
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]

What club in MD is asking for more money? If your club is asking you for more money right now you are being scammed. I have to call BS on this. My kid plays club in MD and we talk to parents from many of the other clubs. If a club asked them for more money right now they would leave. There's too many options.


M&D emailed all of their families yesterday informing them that it was time to pay their summer fees. They sent out 2 emails, one from Robinson and one from his staff to arrange payment plans of needed. What a joke.

Watch , People will pay ....
Ok, big tournaments are starting to be canceled......let’s see the clubs refund our money. The right thing to do!
https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/high-school/girls/iwlca-cancels-2020-slate-of-recruiting-tournaments
Anyone know what the attentions are with the tourney organizers? Move to later in summer - will they give refunds if tourney is cancelled or team can’t go on new date?

What tourneys will help clubs decide if refunds can be made.
Let it play out and see what summer looks like. And if everything is cxld, then ask.
UMASS mid summer classic came up with some alternate dates later in the summer.
We’re looking at full refunds, not partial. Paid for product that wasn’t delivered. Contact your credit card company!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We’re looking at full refunds, not partial. Paid for product that wasn’t delivered. Contact your credit card company!



Check the fine print when you paid your bill. Some clubs have some print where you waive your right for a refund when you agree / pay.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We’re looking at full refunds, not partial. Paid for product that wasn’t delivered. Contact your credit card company!



Check the fine print when you paid your bill. Some clubs have some print where you waive your right for a refund when you agree / pay.


You can write anything you want but it is not enforceable unless I sign it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, big tournaments are starting to be canceled......let’s see the clubs refund our money. The right thing to do!
https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/high-school/girls/iwlca-cancels-2020-slate-of-recruiting-tournaments


Corrigan said "not so fast". https://twitter.com/CSELax/status/1251656361336856579
Full refunds? How does that make any sense? There was the fall and winter and uniforms and equipment was delivered. At least that’s case with my sons club. Spring, sure was lost. But if we do a lot during the summer months, maybe some sorta of discount. But full? It’s not like a product wasn’t delivered out of negligence, it was a global pandemic. And our club has said to reach out and offered help. My older son was offered class room teaching at his university and now is doing remotely, go prorated room and board, but tuition is as is.
From the clubs vantage point, tuition minus uniform and its a wash.
What club in MD is asking for more money? If your club is asking you for more money right now you are being scammed. I have to call BS on this. My kid plays club in MD and we talk to parents from many of the other clubs. If a club asked them for more money right now they would leave. There's too many options.[/quote]

You can call BS on this all you want but you're wrong !!!! A girls club in MD just asked for summer fees. An email was sent the other day asking for summer dues.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From the clubs vantage point, tuition minus uniform and its a wash.


Most teams probably hadn't even given out uniforms yet. My son has never gotten a uniform before the late spring/summer season is starting. Usually practice pinnies for the first 3/4 of the year. I've always wondered what takes so long to get the LAX gear. Other sports you get your uniforms in 2 weeks. Seems to be 6 months in lax.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From the clubs vantage point, tuition minus uniform and its a wash.


Most teams probably hadn't even given out uniforms yet. My son has never gotten a uniform before the late spring/summer season is starting. Usually practice pinnies for the first 3/4 of the year. I've always wondered what takes so long to get the LAX gear. Other sports you get your uniforms in 2 weeks. Seems to be 6 months in lax.

Full refunds wont happen and probably shouldn't. There were fall tournaments, fall practices, winter practices and uniforms. But partial refunds should definitely be sent out. Credits wont work because what if you don't want to stay with the same club?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What club in MD is asking for more money? If your club is asking you for more money right now you are being scammed. I have to call BS on this. My kid plays club in MD and we talk to parents from many of the other clubs. If a club asked them for more money right now they would leave. There's too many options.


You can call BS on this all you want but you're wrong !!!! A girls club in MD just asked for summer fees. An email was sent the other day asking for summer dues. [/quote]

That is insanity. I actually believe you the more I think about it. The worst part is I am sure the money was handed over immediately to the club smile
Sure they did !!! BS. No clubs are asking for additional fees.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sure they did !!! BS. No clubs are asking for additional fees.



I'm so tired of people saying "I call BS on this" !!!!!
Please don't make people post an email on here that was meant only for players/parents of one club. A girls club in Maryland ABSOLUTELY asked for money for summer dues. Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it didn't happen. It did. Maybe some other clubs have already collected fees for the summer so they don't have to ask for $$ right now - who knows. The point is people have paid their clubs for a spring season that has not happened - so the clubs are already in possession of spring fees - for girls around Maryland that is between $450 - $650 depending on your club. Some clubs in Maryland may already be in possession of summer dues/fees which is another $550-$800 depending on your club & the tournaments you play in. Some clubs that have not already billed for summer are doing so now and asking parents to fork over another $500-$800 for a season that most likely will not happen. People are rightfully hesitating on paying them. I think people's position is not that they don't want to pay their fees or want the club out any money. It's that they've already paid for spring and have gotten nothing and do not want to pay for summer and get nothing again. A poster said when you accept your position on the club team you agree to pay for a year's term. Well no one would agree to paying for 12 months of club but only getting 6 months of actual lacrosse. That is the silliest thing I've heard. I know that soccer and baseball are in the same situation and it stinks. I've heard the argument that clubs are collecting money now for this summer or have already collected it for this summer and don't want to refund it because it is used for next year's tournaments. Right now no clubs are paying for field rentals or officiating. No tournaments are either. There's administrative costs. If tournaments won't refund the money but are willing to apply it to next year's (2021) tournament then there is no need for clubs to have to put out money for next year. It's already paid. See why parents are hesitant to hand over more money or are asking for at least partial refunds back ???!!!

Maybe this will be a good lesson for all. If you are robbing Peter to pay Paul something needs to change.


I personally do not want a full refund and most people probably don't either - that's absurd. I don't even mind that the money I paid for spring may be credited to next year's dues. But I do not want to pay any more money until there is some clarification of what will happen this summer. And I don't think that's unreasonable
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sure they did !!! BS. No clubs are asking for additional fees.



Maybe you're misunderstanding what the posters are saying. They're not saying that Club X's annual dues are $2,000 and suddenly they asking for additional fees over the stated $2,000. They're saying this particular club is asking for the portion of the fees that covers their summer season and people don't want to pay that portion since summer is unlikely to happen. The club they're talking about bills in 4 separate installments. Parents have already paid the portions of the annual dues that covers fall/winter/spring. And since they've paid for spring and lacrosse was canceled they're balking at paying for summer too.

So you're correct in that this club is not asking for additional fees that go above their regular annual dues. But that's not what people meant when they said they were being asking to pay more money. Maybe that should've been made more clear.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sure they did !!! BS. No clubs are asking for additional fees.



I'm so tired of people saying "I call BS on this" !!!!!
Please don't make people post an email on here that was meant only for players/parents of one club. A girls club in Maryland ABSOLUTELY asked for money for summer dues. Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it didn't happen. It did. Maybe some other clubs have already collected fees for the summer so they don't have to ask for $$ right now - who knows. The point is people have paid their clubs for a spring season that has not happened - so the clubs are already in possession of spring fees - for girls around Maryland that is between $450 - $650 depending on your club. Some clubs in Maryland may already be in possession of summer dues/fees which is another $550-$800 depending on your club & the tournaments you play in. Some clubs that have not already billed for summer are doing so now and asking parents to fork over another $500-$800 for a season that most likely will not happen. People are rightfully hesitating on paying them. I think people's position is not that they don't want to pay their fees or want the club out any money. It's that they've already paid for spring and have gotten nothing and do not want to pay for summer and get nothing again. A poster said when you accept your position on the club team you agree to pay for a year's term. Well no one would agree to paying for 12 months of club but only getting 6 months of actual lacrosse. That is the silliest thing I've heard. I know that soccer and baseball are in the same situation and it stinks. I've heard the argument that clubs are collecting money now for this summer or have already collected it for this summer and don't want to refund it because it is used for next year's tournaments. Right now no clubs are paying for field rentals or officiating. No tournaments are either. There's administrative costs. If tournaments won't refund the money but are willing to apply it to next year's (2021) tournament then there is no need for clubs to have to put out money for next year. It's already paid. See why parents are hesitant to hand over more money or are asking for at least partial refunds back ???!!!

Maybe this will be a good lesson for all. If you are robbing Peter to pay Paul something needs to change.


I personally do not want a full refund and most people probably don't either - that's absurd. I don't even mind that the money I paid for spring may be credited to next year's dues. But I do not want to pay any more money until there is some clarification of what will happen this summer. And I don't think that's unreasonable


What's unreasonable is your tired rants on BOTC every day. I open the link to think there is a good subject, and all I read is another one of your posts.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sure they did !!! BS. No clubs are asking for additional fees.



Maybe you're misunderstanding what the posters are saying. They're not saying that Club X's annual dues are $2,000 and suddenly they asking for additional fees over the stated $2,000. They're saying this particular club is asking for the portion of the fees that covers their summer season and people don't want to pay that portion since summer is unlikely to happen. The club they're talking about bills in 4 separate installments. Parents have already paid the portions of the annual dues that covers fall/winter/spring. And since they've paid for spring and lacrosse was canceled they're balking at paying for summer too.

So you're correct in that this club is not asking for additional fees that go above their regular annual dues. But that's not what people meant when they said they were being asking to pay more money. Maybe that should've been made more clear.


Thank you for the clarification. Still tough to be shelling out any money for lax right now.
The big clubs have been printing or stealing money for a long long time. Then can afford to forego this summer. The gravy train will be running again in 2021
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The big clubs have been printing or stealing money for a long long time. Then can afford to forego this summer. The gravy train will be running again in 2021


Total rip off these clubs . Prices we pay compare to other states than ny is crazy . Hope people start learning .
Its going to be interesting to see how many clubs try and keep the summer tuition that everyone has ponied up. Has anyone been contacted regarding refunds ?
I have not heard from my sons club team. They also have not asked for my final tuition payment.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its going to be interesting to see how many clubs try and keep the summer tuition that everyone has ponied up. Has anyone been contacted regarding refunds ?
I have not heard from my sons club team. They also have not asked for my final tuition payment.


The only message sent by the Turtles informing us the PAL season was cancelled. Nothing about refunds. Thinking about it, they were charging people $100 if you were late with March payment.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its going to be interesting to see how many clubs try and keep the summer tuition that everyone has ponied up. Has anyone been contacted regarding refunds ?
I have not heard from my sons club team. They also have not asked for my final tuition payment.


The only message sent by the Turtles informing us the PAL season was cancelled. Nothing about refunds. Thinking about it, they were charging people $100 if you were late with March payment.


Many of these club owners think they are a step above their consumers, I think there's couple names for what they are doing; stealing, fraud.
$100 late fee? Really?
https://www.newsday.com/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-college-tuition-fees-refund-1.44176066
Originally Posted by Anonymous
$100 late fee? Really?


Not that any of the others are much better... but Turtles sounds like a mess. But, i do love how each of the clubs preach how they are "unlike the other clubs" - LOL
Their will be a travel season it will just start a little late relax folks!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Their will be a travel season it will just start a little late relax folks!


What are you basing that on? You really think in 6-8 weeks from now people will be comfortable sharing portable bathrooms? Shut Down most likely lasting months more for NYC and the surrounding areas.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Their will be a travel season it will just start a little late relax folks!


Colleges are already cancelling all summer lax prospect camps, as late as the end of July. This summer season looks like a wash. Even if the clubs want and are willing to play, they will have no where to play them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Their will be a travel season it will just start a little late relax folks!


Colleges are already cancelling all summer lax prospect camps, as late as the end of July. This summer season looks like a wash. Even if the clubs want and are willing to play, they will have no where to play them.

I bet there will be places willing to hold events in GA, FL, NC, SC. The question will be if clubs from the North East will risk traveling to these events but the events will happen.



I personally do not want a full refund and most people probably don't either - that's absurd. I don't even mind that the money I paid for spring may be credited to next year's dues. But I do not want to pay any more money until there is some clarification of what will happen this summer. And I don't think that's unreasonable [/quote]

What's unreasonable is your tired rants on BOTC every day. I open the link to think there is a good subject, and all I read is another one of your posts. [/quote]

Why would you log on to a thread called "should travel team issue refunds" and then say someone who posted (however long winded) about the topic is tired or ranting. They're talking about the topic of the thread.

Maybe they should rant about reclassifications ?? Than you'd like it better ??
Originally Posted by Anonymous



I personally do not want a full refund and most people probably don't either - that's absurd. I don't even mind that the money I paid for spring may be credited to next year's dues. But I do not want to pay any more money until there is some clarification of what will happen this summer. And I don't think that's unreasonable


What's unreasonable is your tired rants on BOTC every day. I open the link to think there is a good subject, and all I read is another one of your posts. [/quote]

Why would you log on to a thread called "should travel team issue refunds" and then say someone who posted (however long winded) about the topic is tired or ranting. They're talking about the topic of the thread.

Maybe they should rant about reclassifications ?? Than you'd like it better ??
[/quote]
Please , that horse has been beaten beyond dead.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
$100 late fee? Really?


Not that any of the others are much better... but Turtles sounds like a mess. But, i do love how each of the clubs preach how they are "unlike the other clubs" - LOL

Turtles total mess . Shady no permit for outdoor . All Smithtown parents bow down to this clown of a owner . Son sends the emails but when someone backlash tiny Lax Unlimited owner gets involved and starts with threats. Not a fan of the program. They call themselves not like the rest . There rates are up there close to the the rest . Still living on there grad 2017 team that never even did the right thing and gave back to the to youth like a nice turtles alumni clinic. But will do a clinic after the governor shut it down . They have a indoor place now thats empty and paying rent . His stores are shut down . Nothing about refunds or partial refund but want to do online B.S stuff to protect themselves . Also 91 , express , Leagacy , igloo whats your plan ?? They have to all be talking to each other .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
$100 late fee? Really?


Not that any of the others are much better... but Turtles sounds like a mess. But, i do love how each of the clubs preach how they are "unlike the other clubs" - LOL

Turtles total mess . Shady no permit for outdoor . All Smithtown parents bow down to this clown of a owner . Son sends the emails but when someone backlash tiny Lax Unlimited owner gets involved and starts with threats. Not a fan of the program. They call themselves not like the rest . There rates are up there close to the the rest . Still living on there grad 2017 team that never even did the right thing and gave back to the to youth like a nice turtles alumni clinic. But will do a clinic after the governor shut it down . They have a indoor place now thats empty and paying rent . His stores are shut down . Nothing about refunds or partial refund but want to do online B.S stuff to protect themselves . Also 91 , express , Leagacy , igloo whats your plan ?? They have to all be talking to each other .


Wow, what did the turtles owner do to you to make you so upset? It could be one, or all of three things; money, your kid, or he slept with your wife. If you don't care for the organization, cut your losses and move on. Youth Lacrosse has been off the radar for 2 months as of now and most likely we will not see it for a while.
One of the bigger MD clubs is saying if the season is cancelled, they hope to return half of the tuition after any fees they can't get back and a small stipend for the coaches. There will not be tryouts in August. Things will crank back up in the fall with the same roster. I think that sounds fair.

There is talk of holding tournaments into late August and over Labor Day. My family has no interest in that. If I had a '22, I would feel differently.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
One of the bigger MD clubs is saying if the season is cancelled, they hope to return half of the tuition after any fees they can't get back and a small stipend for the coaches. There will not be tryouts in August. Things will crank back up in the fall with the same roster. I think that sounds fair.

There is talk of holding tournaments into late August and over Labor Day. My family has no interest in that. If I had a '22, I would feel differently.



Reasonable response. I would be satisfied with credit for next season in lieu of refund if there were no tryouts. I understand others might be in different situation and need the return of money. Would be surprising if clubs forgo the tryouts.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
One of the bigger MD clubs is saying if the season is cancelled, they hope to return half of the tuition after any fees they can't get back and a small stipend for the coaches. There will not be tryouts in August. Things will crank back up in the fall with the same roster. I think that sounds fair.

There is talk of holding tournaments into late August and over Labor Day. My family has no interest in that. If I had a '22, I would feel differently.



Reasonable response. I would be satisfied with credit for next season in lieu of refund if there were no tryouts. I understand others might be in different situation and need the return of money. Would be surprising if clubs forgo the tryouts.


The recent trend in MD is to move tryouts closer and closer to the end of the season with the clubs leap frogging each other. If facilities are not open for large gatherings in late July or early August, there likely won't be tryouts.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
One of the bigger MD clubs is saying if the season is cancelled, they hope to return half of the tuition after any fees they can't get back and a small stipend for the coaches. There will not be tryouts in August. Things will crank back up in the fall with the same roster. I think that sounds fair.

There is talk of holding tournaments into late August and over Labor Day. My family has no interest in that. If I had a '22, I would feel differently.


I guess 2021 are out half their money with nothing to show.
Did twenty4 lacrosse close shop?
Slept with your wife is a good one. Sounds like a business owner with brick and mortar store fronts and limited business this year may scrabbling for money. Little man is in trouble. Charging 100 dollar late fees is not going to cut it
why do you ask if 24 closed shop?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
One of the bigger MD clubs is saying if the season is cancelled, they hope to return half of the tuition after any fees they can't get back and a small stipend for the coaches. There will not be tryouts in August. Things will crank back up in the fall with the same roster. I think that sounds fair.

There is talk of holding tournaments into late August and over Labor Day. My family has no interest in that. If I had a '22, I would feel differently.


I guess 2021 are out half their money with nothing to show.


21's should get all of their $ back.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
why do you ask if 24 closed shop?

because they are scavengers.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
One of the bigger MD clubs is saying if the season is cancelled, they hope to return half of the tuition after any fees they can't get back and a small stipend for the coaches. There will not be tryouts in August. Things will crank back up in the fall with the same roster. I think that sounds fair.

There is talk of holding tournaments into late August and over Labor Day. My family has no interest in that. If I had a '22, I would feel differently.


I guess 2021 are out half their money with nothing to show.


21's should get all of their $ back.


Although summer activities may be limited, that said I'm planning on spending most of the summer away from the Island. Likewise, if summer lax does open up, the planes I already made will not be interrupted by youth travel lax.
Good luck getting the money back. The tourney orgs are not giving money back -they will come up with reasons that fees need to be paid. CR and NGLL trying to replace 10 week season with 3 day Labor Day tourney. Maybe some credits for next season but doubtful. Some clubs will jave tryouts -they had fall ball and know the weak players.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good luck getting the money back. The tourney orgs are not giving money back -they will come up with reasons that fees need to be paid. CR and NGLL trying to replace 10 week season with 3 day Labor Day tourney. Maybe some credits for next season but doubtful. Some clubs will jave tryouts -they had fall ball and know the weak players.

There will not be any summer tournaments. They have to give something back. Not a lot, but something.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good luck getting the money back. The tourney orgs are not giving money back -they will come up with reasons that fees need to be paid. CR and NGLL trying to replace 10 week season with 3 day Labor Day tourney. Maybe some credits for next season but doubtful. Some clubs will jave tryouts -they had fall ball and know the weak players.

There will not be any summer tournaments. They have to give something back. Not a lot, but something.


Not a lot???? How about the whole thing! My son is a rising senior, No Refund=Lawsuit! Sorry if some of you sheep are too scared to ask! What you still don't get is that good kids play and will always be valued!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good luck getting the money back. The tourney orgs are not giving money back -they will come up with reasons that fees need to be paid. CR and NGLL trying to replace 10 week season with 3 day Labor Day tourney. Maybe some credits for next season but doubtful. Some clubs will jave tryouts -they had fall ball and know the weak players.

There will not be any summer tournaments. They have to give something back. Not a lot, but something.


Not a lot???? How about the whole thing! My son is a rising senior, No Refund=Lawsuit! Sorry if some of you sheep are too scared to ask! What you still don't get is that good kids play and will always be valued!



Here is an idea.
Clubs, with teams that can compete at all age levels, set up 1-day playdays. Each team plays 3 to 4 games in one day. '26-'24 on Sat '23-'21 on Sunday. Ask only 1 parent per kid. The games could be played at private high schools with multiple fields.
90% of the players will show up. Just to get out of the house.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good luck getting the money back. The tourney orgs are not giving money back -they will come up with reasons that fees need to be paid. CR and NGLL trying to replace 10 week season with 3 day Labor Day tourney. Maybe some credits for next season but doubtful. Some clubs will jave tryouts -they had fall ball and know the weak players.

There will not be any summer tournaments. They have to give something back. Not a lot, but something.


Not a lot???? How about the whole thing! My son is a rising senior, No Refund=Lawsuit! Sorry if some of you sheep are too scared to ask! What you still don't get is that good kids play and will always be valued!


Why do you feel you should get a full refund?
Did your son's team not have any Fall practices/Recruiting Events?
Was there any activity for Winter?
Was any gear/uniforms purchased and handed out?

I think if a summer season doesn't happen, a partial refund for rising seniors should be acceptable -- assuming clubs received refunds on cancelled events
For all younger ages, "refund" is applied to next season's tuition and no tryouts this year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good luck getting the money back. The tourney orgs are not giving money back -they will come up with reasons that fees need to be paid. CR and NGLL trying to replace 10 week season with 3 day Labor Day tourney. Maybe some credits for next season but doubtful. Some clubs will jave tryouts -they had fall ball and know the weak players.

There will not be any summer tournaments. They have to give something back. Not a lot, but something.


Not a lot???? How about the whole thing! My son is a rising senior, No Refund=Lawsuit! Sorry if some of you sheep are too scared to ask! What you still don't get is that good kids play and will always be valued!


Why do you feel you should get a full refund?
Did your son's team not have any Fall practices/Recruiting Events?
Was there any activity for Winter?
Was any gear/uniforms purchased and handed out?

I think if a summer season doesn't happen, a partial refund for rising seniors should be acceptable -- assuming clubs received refunds on cancelled events
For all younger ages, "refund" is applied to next season's tuition and no tryouts this year


that scenario assumes all kids will go back to the same team which probably isn't realistic so partial refund has to be in the discussion. its shocking how quiet the clubs have been, which will be the first one to do the right thing and come forward with a smart compromise that makes parents and kids stay with the program?
If summer lacrosse is cancelled.

It is the clubs responsibility to get refunds for their tournament fees.
The clubs are responsible for the refunds to their consumers.
The tournaments are run by the express and 91s of the lacrosse world. Are they not going to issue themselves a refund ? I think not.

The club owner that is on here saying that they played in a fall practice and a recruiting tournament, which is probably ala cart, is reaching. Don't think that the tournament refund excuse is going to buy time and alleviate the clubs from their financial obligation to their consumers.

If they do not issue full refunds, they will get taken to court where they will lose. And they will lose every case.
Clubs are quiet because nobody knows what will happen June, July, maybe August. This never happened before. I never heard of the term social distancing before. I’m sure when the dust settles in the next few weeks, their will be some sort of direction, credits, refunds etc. Until then, we need to sit tight, stay safe and wait.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If summer lacrosse is cancelled.

It is the clubs responsibility to get refunds for their tournament fees.
The clubs are responsible for the refunds to their consumers.
The tournaments are run by the express and 91s of the lacrosse world. Are they not going to issue themselves a refund ? I think not.

The club owner that is on here saying that they played in a fall practice and a recruiting tournament, which is probably ala cart, is reaching. Don't think that the tournament refund excuse is going to buy time and alleviate the clubs from their financial obligation to their consumers.

If they do not issue full refunds, they will get taken to court where they will lose. And they will lose every case.



Keep saying clubs getting refunds from tournament's ?? How much is a tournament per team $900 to $1300 ? Thats Nothing from a team with 23 plus kids . Clubs Run tournaments and I highly doubt all tournaments are paid in full already .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If summer lacrosse is cancelled.

It is the clubs responsibility to get refunds for their tournament fees.
The clubs are responsible for the refunds to their consumers.
The tournaments are run by the express and 91s of the lacrosse world. Are they not going to issue themselves a refund ? I think not.

The club owner that is on here saying that they played in a fall practice and a recruiting tournament, which is probably ala cart, is reaching. Don't think that the tournament refund excuse is going to buy time and alleviate the clubs from their financial obligation to their consumers.

If they do not issue full refunds, they will get taken to court where they will lose. And they will lose every case.


You're whats wrong with the world on so many levels. My kid had 8 Fall practices and played in 2 tournaments. Why should I get a full refund? Maybe they roll it over but to go to court over this? You're a sad little man. 5'2" and a puffy chest on a lacrosse board. #littleguy
Wonder what club you are running into the ground. I should have left out fall practices and tournaments. Full summer refunds will be warranted.
Classic LI tough guy.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If summer lacrosse is cancelled.

It is the clubs responsibility to get refunds for their tournament fees.
The clubs are responsible for the refunds to their consumers.
The tournaments are run by the express and 91s of the lacrosse world. Are they not going to issue themselves a refund ? I think not.

The club owner that is on here saying that they played in a fall practice and a recruiting tournament, which is probably ala cart, is reaching. Don't think that the tournament refund excuse is going to buy time and alleviate the clubs from their financial obligation to their consumers.

If they do not issue full refunds, they will get taken to court where they will lose. And they will lose every case.


You're whats wrong with the world on so many levels. My kid had 8 Fall practices and played in 2 tournaments. Why should I get a full refund? Maybe they roll it over but to go to court over this? You're a sad little man. 5'2" and a puffy chest on a lacrosse board. #littleguy


I don't think the majority is concerned with a FULL refund, partial yes. Schedules, including practices and tournaments uniform hand-outs were provided. Once everything was shut down, people are entitled to a refund of ALL services they didn't receive, but paid for after the shut down. What's the issue?
Express is asking for final payment by the 8th....... lets see how they handle it.
Governor Cuomo announced school is done for the academic year.

He also is saying that all summer activity must have social distancing! You can’t play lax with social distancing.

Summer season must he over.

Terrible news......
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Governor Cuomo announced school is done for the academic year.

He also is saying that all summer activity must have social distancing! You can’t play lax with social distancing.

Summer season must he over.

Terrible news......


Not only that, where would practices, tournaments be held? That said, it'll be a long time before anyone returns to the field. Secondly, clubs need to address the refund issue before it get any further out of hand.
We received an in depth email from my son's club stating that refunds will be provided. This is the most honest of the clubs I have seen since being in the club scene for 10 years. This is defining the reason why I moved my son to this club a few years ago. Good people come through in tough times. Bad people always remain bad.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We received an in depth email from my son's club stating that refunds will be provided. This is the most honest of the clubs I have seen since being in the club scene for 10 years. This is defining the reason why I moved my son to this club a few years ago. Good people come through in tough times. Bad people always remain bad.





Can you please share the club. I would love to find a honest club owner who is not full of garbage.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We received an in depth email from my son's club stating that refunds will be provided. This is the most honest of the clubs I have seen since being in the club scene for 10 years. This is defining the reason why I moved my son to this club a few years ago. Good people come through in tough times. Bad people always remain bad.


Which club did the right thing?
That's great! Please share the name of the club
The guy writes a nice paragraph of how great the club was. I just don’t understand why he wouldn’t name the club. Are we supposed to just guess.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The guy writes a nice paragraph of how great the club was. I just don’t understand why he wouldn’t name the club. Are we supposed to just guess.


Most likely it's BS!
I got an email from the club that a tournament was rescheduled to August. Forget your vacation plans, tourneys are on.
Who has vacation plans right now ? Where you plan to sleep, in your Yeti cooler with a solo cup?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I got an email from the club that a tournament was rescheduled to August. Forget your vacation plans, tourneys are on.


I don't doubt the email, but do yourself a favor and call the school. The word "rescheduled" only translates to the date was changed to August. Means nothing.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who has vacation plans right now ? Where you plan to sleep, in your Yeti cooler with a solo cup?


Umm at my vacation home 🏖
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I got an email from the club that a tournament was rescheduled to August. Forget your vacation plans, tourneys are on.

Doesn't mean they are on. Just pushing them back hoping not to cancel. Still and probably will be cancelled.
There is a handful of groups that run lax tourneys on along island. They should all connect and put out a schedule for July and August, so they are over lapping. And then hope things can return.
We cannot be within 10 feet of people without a mask and I am going to expect there will be club lax?
Are you people nuts. There is no way that they are going to have summer lacrosse. Hopefully the tournament directors saved some money from the previous years to get therm through this year.
Many universities are now being sued. Some students will not return, refuse to pay full tuition for on-line learning. Others are suing for PARTIAL REFUNDS; claiming, since the pandemic, they are entitle to money back because they didn't receive the FULL experience of the university through on-line classes although full tuition was made. On a smaller scale, does this sound familiar? I didn't sign my son up for up for Virtual lacrosse.
Whos the Club . I call Bull S
Express getting beat up on the topic . Any other club still quiet ? How about 90 + 1 whats there plan ?
The part that makes me angry is that they think we are stunads and telling us that its gonna be starting soon ? I am turning on the news and thousands of people are still dying from covid-19, so HOW are then going to put kids on the field and thousands of parents on the sidelines during a big tournament? Its is very sad and disheartening that people would be so greedy !
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The part that makes me angry is that they think we are stunads and telling us that its gonna be starting soon ? I am turning on the news and thousands of people are still dying from covid-19, so HOW are then going to put kids on the field and thousands of parents on the sidelines during a big tournament? Its is very sad and disheartening that people would be so greedy !


Elderly and health risks stay home. Can't keep everyone else at home for two years until vaccines can be produced in large scale.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The part that makes me angry is that they think we are stunads and telling us that its gonna be starting soon ? I am turning on the news and thousands of people are still dying from covid-19, so HOW are then going to put kids on the field and thousands of parents on the sidelines during a big tournament? Its is very sad and disheartening that people would be so greedy !


The point is, some parents have allowed clubs/coaches to treat them and their kids like dirt for all these years and they continue to do it, look at whats going on at the moment. I don't begrudge anyone how and why they choose to spend their own money towards their family. I sit back and observe many parents on "all fours" while talking to coaches and owners. Hey, they do what needs to be done, but don't come complaining when you had enough.
Friend of mine really struggling times like this. Laid off now , trying to work side jobs doing laboring work to make ends meet. Paid his tuition in full in the fall . Nothing from his club at all . Total example he paid in full and did the right thing for them but his club team Doing total opposite. Feel for him .
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Express getting beat up on the topic . Any other club still quiet ? How about 90 + 1 whats there plan ?


Zero info or updates from 91
Clubs have to be talking to each other about giving a refund or not. Now all these directors Need each other because they need to figure out what to do or what not to do , I could almost guarantee that. Whats the Chances ZERO info from any of them ? I hope people really start waking up to these clubs . Not even no chatter on the Team Snap about it . June is a week or so away where Tournaments really kick in .
Did 91 parents fully pay tuition for this year?
Did 91 parents fully pay tuition for this year?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did 91 parents fully pay tuition for this year?


Yes, weeks ago.
If you have a kid that plays soccer you will see that SUSA is getting bashed for only offering around a 10% credit to returning players at the end of next years tuition. Their tuition is approx $2500-$3500+ depending on what age, league etc. It seems to me that ALL Lacrosse teams are just as big scumbags as SUSA. Lacrosse players have probably only played 2 tournaments(1 day each) and had much less training time. Has anybody heard of any Lacrosse team offering refunds, substantial credits, anything. Looks to me like LAX are the bigger robbers than soccer which I didn't believe was possible. All I have seen from my sons club is possible credit for next year without the amount. Could be a $50 credit, who knows.
Rebels strike first With email

Hope everyone is doing well, and is safe. We are reaching out to give you guys an update on the upcoming season.

There is a lot of uncertainty with fields, tournaments, governement regulations, etc.

With all of this in mind, we have decided to extend the season until the end of Summer 2021. There will be no tryouts, or tryout fee as usual. There will only be a supplemental tryout to fill any available spots in the fall. The details of what we will be able to attend, practice, scrimmage, train this summer will effect the overall credit that each family will receive. This is a very fluid situation, and once we all have a better understanding of a return date, this will be finalized. Once we are able to see the total value that each family paid for, versus what they received we will make this decision. We will work to avoid any unneccesary costs going forward through the end of 2021, and will break any future payments up into 10 Monthly Installments with the understanding this virus has had an economic impact on many.

Tournaments are changing their dates on a daily basis, as regulations come in and change. Please currently ignore any scheduled changes, or information until there is a blanket update provided by us on tournament schedule.

We have the safety of our players and their families in mind as we make these decisions, and will phase our re-opening with appropriate measures. This will include actions such as practices, trainings, filmed scrimmages for recruiting ages, and mid-week round robin/tournament play until bigger events are allowed.

Specifically for the 2021 age group, we are working with tournament directors and there will be 2021 brackets this fall and possibly next summer for recruiting purposes if the summer season is shortened.
I think that's a pretty good start. This in unprecedented. Those looking to say sue right away is not going to work, Teams had fall ball, most winter. they all have insurance costs and coaching fees that might of been paid. Probably also paid for most summer tournaments and are they refunding or crediting
I am sure most clubs will work out fair deals, if they do not, then maybe go to small claims and do not return to them.

God Bless America and all those that gave the ultimate sacrifice. Memorial day is a special Holiday,Think about that some
If a kid stays with an organization, parents most likely be ok with a fair credit. Makes sense to me. If my son decided to leave teams or not play lacrosse, obviously a credit is useless. My son is happy, which therefore make me happy. We practiced 5 months, we lost 5 months. If we got a 50 percent 2021 credit, I’d be happy. Listen, I’m not going line by line, we paid extra for this or that. We didn’t get our tote bag which was promised, we didn’t get our hats, we had a January indoor practice cancelled etc. That’s not me. I’m not going to nickel and dime every situation. Is there a perfect science to this, I’d say no. This is a once in a lifetime situation.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rebels strike first With email

Hope everyone is doing well, and is safe. We are reaching out to give you guys an update on the upcoming season.

There is a lot of uncertainty with fields, tournaments, governement regulations, etc.

With all of this in mind, we have decided to extend the season until the end of Summer 2021. There will be no tryouts, or tryout fee as usual. There will only be a supplemental tryout to fill any available spots in the fall. The details of what we will be able to attend, practice, scrimmage, train this summer will effect the overall credit that each family will receive. This is a very fluid situation, and once we all have a better understanding of a return date, this will be finalized. Once we are able to see the total value that each family paid for, versus what they received we will make this decision. We will work to avoid any unneccesary costs going forward through the end of 2021, and will break any future payments up into 10 Monthly Installments with the understanding this virus has had an economic impact on many.

Tournaments are changing their dates on a daily basis, as regulations come in and change. Please currently ignore any scheduled changes, or information until there is a blanket update provided by us on tournament schedule.

We have the safety of our players and their families in mind as we make these decisions, and will phase our re-opening with appropriate measures. This will include actions such as practices, trainings, filmed scrimmages for recruiting ages, and mid-week round robin/tournament play until bigger events are allowed.

Specifically for the 2021 age group, we are working with tournament directors and there will be 2021 brackets this fall and possibly next summer for recruiting purposes if the summer season is shortened.



I'd like to see more clubs promote their refund policy anonymously on here.
91, Igloo, and Express will be the last to refund anything.
Got 32% refund from my Epic Ski pass if anyone cares !!
Do your clubs keep sending updated schedules? I am in MD and as of now, no refund (there has been talk of refund if no lacrosse is played). We do however still have a 4 tournament schedule as of now. 1st of which is just 7 weeks out and they would still need to practice. I have a hard time believing that we'll be at tournaments at the same time that the PLL will be playing while taking mandatory tests and under quarantine.
Does anyone put any stock in US lacrosse recommendations, allegedly coming out at the end of this week, for return to play? Will they influence if summer tournaments happen or not? They hold the insurance...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do your clubs keep sending updated schedules? I am in MD and as of now, no refund (there has been talk of refund if no lacrosse is played). We do however still have a 4 tournament schedule as of now. 1st of which is just 7 weeks out and they would still need to practice. I have a hard time believing that we'll be at tournaments at the same time that the PLL will be playing while taking mandatory tests and under quarantine.


MD parents are out three years of tuition now. Not only are they getting scammed from COVID-19, they had to pay two extra years for HOLDBACK-20!
I feel that the parents that want some kind of answer , refund and let these clubs be accountable is a small % . The sad thing about all this people will fall back in place and get pushed over by the directors once again when it all clears . Rates will jacked up year after year . Tryouts will increase and there B.S will once again continue. I really hope there is a change .
Maybe this is just what travel lacrosse needed! Maybe people will wake up and smell the coffee! Way to many clubs on the island! One team per grade for all these clubs. I use to complain about two and three teams per grade and fewer clubs but looking at what’s going on the last two years I think the old structure was better especially for the late bloomers!
In the end, most families will have less disposable income than before the virus. Hard to justify $3000 plus travel. I do see the travel part ending for a while. No one really wants to stay in a packed hotel.

I'm not sure what you mean by old structure. Clubs should have the best team they can get on the field plus a developmental team for kids who are late bloomers, late to the sport and/or need more stick work.
I hope that these large clubs go bankrupt and a new batch of trustworthy and professional owners will develop out of this covid-19 pandemic. Forests regrow when they are burnt down.
Like the small clubs are any better! Same old story, my son played for big clubs for years, then the last couple of years all these small clubs starting popping up. So we figured what the heck, same old coach speech, one team per grade, keeping all kids, blah blah blah! Had a great first season, told kids at last tourne, happy with that team then cut them! Haven't really heard a peep from them so what's the difference!
These clubs are toast. They all were ripping off the consumer for way to long. Summer tuition includes 4 or 5 tournaments, professional coaching and 15 practices. All are not going to happen = full refund.
Pucker up club owners as you will be getting a taste what you have been doing to the parents for years.
Hopefully you didn't spend money that you didn't earn and can repay what you owe, but I doubt it. Your gravy train has left the station.
Maybe all the zoom clinics , instagram drills and training will be part of tuition $$$ watch
Here is a question..... what travel team has been holding clinic/practices at Kings Park HS? The nets are now locked up due to too many kids on the field. Thank you very much!!! What would you think would happen?? The school allowed the residents of Kings Park access to the field to have somewhere to go to get exercise on “THEIR” track and kids have a place to go with proper social distancing on “THEIR” field which was communicated through the school emails. You decided to come down without a permit and hold a practice with no permission which is completely irresponsible of the coach and organization. Was this your intention? Because you can’t find a place to hold a practice your gonna ruin the opportunity for our community to responsibly have our kids have somewhere to train. We know who the organization is, just not sure if it’s an irresponsible coach or the organization itself.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is a question..... what travel team has been holding clinic/practices at Kings Park HS? The nets are now locked up due to too many kids on the field. Thank you very much!!! What would you think would happen?? The school allowed the residents of Kings Park access to the field to have somewhere to go to get exercise on “THEIR” track and kids have a place to go with proper social distancing on “THEIR” field which was communicated through the school emails. You decided to come down without a permit and hold a practice with no permission which is completely irresponsible of the coach and organization. Was this your intention? Because you can’t find a place to hold a practice your gonna ruin the opportunity for our community to responsibly have our kids have somewhere to train. We know who the organization is, just not sure if it’s an irresponsible coach or the organization itself.


Blame the school district not the people that went. While I agree a team practice is excessive, of course people were going to take advantage, it's human nature. Which organization ruined it?
The school district is trying to do the right thing by the taxpayers, have somewhere for the kids to go. Most of the small groups of kids that have been doing stuff is not a problem. Even if they are from other towns. The problem is is the irresponsible coach or parent who thinks it’s OK to take a team down there for practices. If none of this was going on you still wouldn’t be able to do that without permits. That’s the person I blame.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is a question..... what travel team has been holding clinic/practices at Kings Park HS? The nets are now locked up due to too many kids on the field. Thank you very much!!! What would you think would happen?? The school allowed the residents of Kings Park access to the field to have somewhere to go to get exercise on “THEIR” track and kids have a place to go with proper social distancing on “THEIR” field which was communicated through the school emails. You decided to come down without a permit and hold a practice with no permission which is completely irresponsible of the coach and organization. Was this your intention? Because you can’t find a place to hold a practice your gonna ruin the opportunity for our community to responsibly have our kids have somewhere to train. We know who the organization is, just not sure if it’s an irresponsible coach or the organization itself.


Blame the school district not the people that went. While I agree a team practice is excessive, of course people were going to take advantage, it's human nature. Which organization ruined it?


You can blame the Soccer players. So many of them all over each other. We’ve been there daily and the laxers have been in small groups mostly keeping distance.
Interesting that a certain girls club has started practicing despite the fact that they could be fined 10,000. Guess they really don't want to give those refunds!
Thanks a lot Kings Park.
What is everyone's thoughts on this summer tournament season? Do you think it will happen?
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Interesting that a certain girls club has started practicing despite the fact that they could be fined 10,000. Guess they really don't want to give those refunds!

Why say "certain girls club" Why don't you call them out.
Stay out of the park
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks a lot Kings Park.


How is this Kings Park's fault?
Agreed how’s this kings park’s fault, just another crazy lax parent who only cares about themselves
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is everyone's thoughts on this summer tournament season? Do you think it will happen?


I think it will happen in August
New US Lacrosse Return to Play guidelines hot off the press and extending the NCAA Dead period to July 31... I think not looking good for summer tournaments...?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is a question..... what travel team has been holding clinic/practices at Kings Park HS? The nets are now locked up due to too many kids on the field. Thank you very much!!! What would you think would happen?? The school allowed the residents of Kings Park access to the field to have somewhere to go to get exercise on “THEIR” track and kids have a place to go with proper social distancing on “THEIR” field which was communicated through the school emails. You decided to come down without a permit and hold a practice with no permission which is completely irresponsible of the coach and organization. Was this your intention? Because you can’t find a place to hold a practice your gonna ruin the opportunity for our community to responsibly have our kids have somewhere to train. We know who the organization is, just not sure if it’s an irresponsible coach or the organization itself.


Blame the school district not the people that went. While I agree a team practice is excessive, of course people were going to take advantage, it's human nature. Which organization ruined it?



Blame the person on the other thread whotold everyone that Kings Park field was open.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These clubs are toast. They all were ripping off the consumer for way to long. Summer tuition includes 4 or 5 tournaments, professional coaching and 15 practices. All are not going to happen = full refund.
Pucker up club owners as you will be getting a taste what you have been doing to the parents for years.
Hopefully you didn't spend money that you didn't earn and can repay what you owe, but I doubt it. Your gravy train has left the station.



How can you expect a Full Refund, are you serious. Maybe credit towards next year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
New US Lacrosse Return to Play guidelines hot off the press and extending the NCAA Dead period to July 31... I think not looking good for summer tournaments...?

Agree not looking good for summer. I can't image here on LI we are going to get to stage 5 by late July or early Aug.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These clubs are toast. They all were ripping off the consumer for way to long. Summer tuition includes 4 or 5 tournaments, professional coaching and 15 practices. All are not going to happen = full refund.
Pucker up club owners as you will be getting a taste what you have been doing to the parents for years.
Hopefully you didn't spend money that you didn't earn and can repay what you owe, but I doubt it. Your gravy train has left the station.



How can you expect a Full Refund, are you serious. Maybe credit towards next year.


I am not a bank, why should they hold my money for over a year? Full refund, no. 75% is more than reasonable.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These clubs are toast. They all were ripping off the consumer for way to long. Summer tuition includes 4 or 5 tournaments, professional coaching and 15 practices. All are not going to happen = full refund.
Pucker up club owners as you will be getting a taste what you have been doing to the parents for years.
Hopefully you didn't spend money that you didn't earn and can repay what you owe, but I doubt it. Your gravy train has left the station.



How can you expect a Full Refund, are you serious. Maybe credit towards next year.


What about rising Seniors who won't be playing next year??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
New US Lacrosse Return to Play guidelines hot off the press and extending the NCAA Dead period to July 31... I think not looking good for summer tournaments...?

Agree not looking good for summer. I can't image here on LI we are going to get to stage 5 by late July or early Aug.


Willing to travel 😜
Full refund is in order for summer tuition. 4 or 5 tournaments/professional coaching/15 practices, none of which will be provided. So yes a full refund is in order. Why is a credit in order ?
We paid for a service that will not be provided.
Clubs owners on here posting that credits are in order is comical. Shouldn't have spent money that you didn't earn.
Is it True legacy is practicing ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These clubs are toast. They all were ripping off the consumer for way to long. Summer tuition includes 4 or 5 tournaments, professional coaching and 15 practices. All are not going to happen = full refund.
Pucker up club owners as you will be getting a taste what you have been doing to the parents for years.
Hopefully you didn't spend money that you didn't earn and can repay what you owe, but I doubt it. Your gravy train has left the station.



How can you expect a Full Refund, are you serious. Maybe credit towards next year.


I am not a bank, why should they hold my money for over a year? Full refund, no. 75% is more than reasonable.


i think most parents on our teams are waiting to see what goes on before asking about a refund. if we can play in late July or August that is one thing and one refund amount. if we cant play at all that is another refund amount. either way most are expecting some kind of refund, but no need to jump the gun and ask for refund now before we fully know what is going on. we lost the last month of our indoor training, and then you figure at a min of 3 month of outdoor practices. i know some that haven't been attending zoom meeting b.c they feel its is pointless, but if any club tries to pawn them off as practices, they may have riots on there hands.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it True legacy is practicing ?


Some of their players are posting practices on social media. Just shows the mentality of the lax community. Parents, kids will not get an edge on anything.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it True legacy is practicing ?


Some of their players are posting practices on social media. Just shows the mentality of the lax community. Parents, kids will not get an edge on anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it True legacy is practicing ?


Some of their players are posting practices on social media. Just shows the mentality of the lax community. Parents, kids will not get an edge on anything.


Most Maryland teams can start practicing in small groups today after 5pm.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These clubs are toast. They all were ripping off the consumer for way to long. Summer tuition includes 4 or 5 tournaments, professional coaching and 15 practices. All are not going to happen = full refund.
Pucker up club owners as you will be getting a taste what you have been doing to the parents for years.
Hopefully you didn't spend money that you didn't earn and can repay what you owe, but I doubt it. Your gravy train has left the station.



How can you expect a Full Refund, are you serious. Maybe credit towards next year.


I am not a bank, why should they hold my money for over a year? Full refund, no. 75% is more than reasonable.


How can you ask for even 75%. Fall and winter practices, fall tournaments, maybe some apparel or equipment, ect…. We do not even know what is going to happen in the summer. Maybe 1 or 2 tournament. Why don't you wait and see before demanding a refund.
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Stop already. It isn’t some complex, high tech thing to figure out. It’s a business. The goal of every business is to make money. That comes before anything else. Money, money, money. Your kid getting better in lacrosse is nice, but not nearly as important to the club as profits. Your son met nice new friends, that’s great, but to the club that means little as compared to profits. You lost your job, see if the club carries you for free next year, not happening. Maybe some 12 month payment plan will be applied, not free. If a club has 25 kids on a team paying 4000 bucks each. That’s 100 grand a team. 1 team per grade is 10 teams, that’s 1 millon bucks. Some clubs have 2 or 3 teams per grade, that’s 2 to 3 million bucks. Let’s use the 1 team per grade example. 1 million bucks coming in.

The money going out:
2 paid coaches per team. I’ll say 150 to 200 grand for the 10 teams.
Tournaments:let’s say 7 tournaments 1000 each, 10 teams 70 grand.
Uniforms: 100 per kid, 250 kids, 25 grand
Field permits/insurance: I’ll say 100 grand

In reality a club with 25 kids per team, 1 team per grade is making about 600 grand profit.
2 teams per grade 1.2 million profit.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with making profits. My business makes a nice profit too. That’s why people go to work, that’s why people start businesses, to make as much money as they can for their families. I just think that this particular year, with this horrific situation, a good portion of those profits need to be returned to the customers. This without question should be done. I’ve been in business a long time, I truly believe doing the right thing now, will actually reward those clubs with business later.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Re: Boys 2025-7th Grade Fall 2019/Summer 2020 [Re: TM@BOTC] #302427 8 hours ago
Anonymous
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Stop already. It isn’t some complex, high tech thing to figure out. It’s a business. The goal of every business is to make money. That comes before anything else. Money, money, money. Your kid getting better in lacrosse is nice, but not nearly as important to the club as profits. Your son met nice new friends, that’s great, but to the club that means little as compared to profits. You lost your job, see if the club carries you for free next year, not happening. Maybe some 12 month payment plan will be applied, not free. If a club has 25 kids on a team paying 4000 bucks each. That’s 100 grand a team. 1 team per grade is 10 teams, that’s 1 millon bucks. Some clubs have 2 or 3 teams per grade, that’s 2 to 3 million bucks. Let’s use the 1 team per grade example. 1 million bucks coming in.

The money going out:
2 paid coaches per team. I’ll say 150 to 200 grand for the 10 teams.
Tournaments:let’s say 7 tournaments 1000 each, 10 teams 70 grand.
Uniforms: 100 per kid, 250 kids, 25 grand
Field permits/insurance: I’ll say 100 grand

In reality a club with 25 kids per team, 1 team per grade is making about 600 grand profit.
2 teams per grade 1.2 million profit.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with making profits. My business makes a nice profit too. That’s why people go to work, that’s why people start businesses, to make as much money as they can for their families. I just think that this particular year, with this horrific situation, a good portion of those profits need to be returned to the customers. This without question should be done. I’ve been in business a long time, I truly believe doing the right thing now, will actually reward those clubs with business later.



You really think 1 team makes 600 grand profit
60 grand profit per team. 10 teams, 600 grand profit to the club.
Now 91 is selling helmet covid shields for helmets @ $30 . When does it ever Door_Open_And’in end . Come on really ?? Bet this wasn't thought over night and it was in the works for some time . Greed at its highest level .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Re: Boys 2025-7th Grade Fall 2019/Summer 2020 [Re: TM@BOTC] #302427 8 hours ago
Anonymous
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Stop already. It isn’t some complex, high tech thing to figure out. It’s a business. The goal of every business is to make money. That comes before anything else. Money, money, money. Your kid getting better in lacrosse is nice, but not nearly as important to the club as profits. Your son met nice new friends, that’s great, but to the club that means little as compared to profits. You lost your job, see if the club carries you for free next year, not happening. Maybe some 12 month payment plan will be applied, not free. If a club has 25 kids on a team paying 4000 bucks each. That’s 100 grand a team. 1 team per grade is 10 teams, that’s 1 millon bucks. Some clubs have 2 or 3 teams per grade, that’s 2 to 3 million bucks. Let’s use the 1 team per grade example. 1 million bucks coming in.

The money going out:
2 paid coaches per team. I’ll say 150 to 200 grand for the 10 teams.
Tournaments:let’s say 7 tournaments 1000 each, 10 teams 70 grand.
Uniforms: 100 per kid, 250 kids, 25 grand
Field permits/insurance: I’ll say 100 grand

In reality a club with 25 kids per team, 1 team per grade is making about 600 grand profit.
2 teams per grade 1.2 million profit.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with making profits. My business makes a nice profit too. That’s why people go to work, that’s why people start businesses, to make as much money as they can for their families. I just think that this particular year, with this horrific situation, a good portion of those profits need to be returned to the customers. This without question should be done. I’ve been in business a long time, I truly believe doing the right thing now, will actually reward those clubs with business later.



You really think 1 team makes 600 grand profit


Reread what he said. He says with one team per grade or 10 teams total for the club.....his numbers are right on.
You do have to add on some more expenses but no doubt clubs do really well. And when you can disperse you fixed expenses over more players, equals more profits. The big boys were killing it!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now 91 is selling helmet covid shields for helmets @ $30 . When does it ever Door_Open_And’in end . Come on really ?? Bet this wasn't thought over night and it was in the works for some time . Greed at its highest level .


Dude you're a stunad... that's the cost of the shield. Out of all of the idiotic expenses that we waste money on, you are going to criticize the cost of protective equipment for your kid? It should be MANDATORY
Our club was selling them for $20 each, not $30, somebody is taking a profit somewhere
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now 91 is selling helmet covid shields for helmets @ $30 . When does it ever Door_Open_And’in end . Come on really ?? Bet this wasn't thought over night and it was in the works for some time . Greed at its highest level .


Dude you're a stunad... that's the cost of the shield. Out of all of the idiotic expenses that we waste money on, you are going to criticize the cost of protective equipment for your kid? It should be MANDATORY


We should wear masks over our mouths too? Should be limited checking also. Girls rules might be a great option? No faceoffs either, to close.
Some clubs not only have more than 1 team per grade, but girls lacrosse as well.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our club was selling them for $20 each, not $30, somebody is taking a profit somewhere


That's not true. Its $30 for a 3 pack of shields. That is the standard retail price for this. And you can order them from the lacrosse stores as well. It's not a Dynamic lacrosse idea at all. Anyone can get these.
US Lacrosse says shields should not be used as they are more likely to dislodge and hurt the player. Who makes these anyway? Do they cover the whole face?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
US Lacrosse says shields should not be used as they are more likely to dislodge and hurt the player. Who makes these anyway? Do they cover the whole face?


Obviously USL doesn't have any skin in that game. Manufacturer should have asked to put USL emblem on shield and charged an extra 5 dollars to go to USL. Then they would be recommended at all lacrosse events.

No interest in buying one, but look similar to what NLF players wear with their helmets.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it True legacy is practicing ?


Some of their players are posting practices on social media. Just shows the mentality of the lax community. Parents, kids will not get an edge on anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it True legacy is practicing ?


Some of their players are posting practices on social media. Just shows the mentality of the lax community. Parents, kids will not get an edge on anything.


Most Maryland teams can start practicing in small groups today after 5pm.


They are 21 year old 9th graders so I guess they can't adults what to do.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it True legacy is practicing ?


Some of their players are posting practices on social media. Just shows the mentality of the lax community. Parents, kids will not get an edge on anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it True legacy is practicing ?


Some of their players are posting practices on social media. Just shows the mentality of the lax community. Parents, kids will not get an edge on anything.


Most Maryland teams can start practicing in small groups today after 5pm.


They are 21 year old 9th graders so I guess they can't adults what to do.


Dont exaggerate, Most 9th graders in MD private schools are 19 maybe 20 . Keep it real !
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it True legacy is practicing ?


Some of their players are posting practices on social media. Just shows the mentality of the lax community. Parents, kids will not get an edge on anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it True legacy is practicing ?


Some of their players are posting practices on social media. Just shows the mentality of the lax community. Parents, kids will not get an edge on anything.


Most Maryland teams can start practicing in small groups today after 5pm.


They are 21 year old 9th graders so I guess they can't adults what to do.


You either need to stop drinking at noon or go back to high school yourself.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it True legacy is practicing ?


Some of their players are posting practices on social media. Just shows the mentality of the lax community. Parents, kids will not get an edge on anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it True legacy is practicing ?


Some of their players are posting practices on social media. Just shows the mentality of the lax community. Parents, kids will not get an edge on anything.


Most Maryland teams can start practicing in small groups today after 5pm.


They are 21 year old 9th graders so I guess they can't adults what to do.


LOL, someone's kid can't compete and has had the pleasure of a nice MD skull dragging
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it True legacy is practicing ?


Some of their players are posting practices on social media. Just shows the mentality of the lax community. Parents, kids will not get an edge on anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it True legacy is practicing ?


Some of their players are posting practices on social media. Just shows the mentality of the lax community. Parents, kids will not get an edge on anything.


Most Maryland teams can start practicing in small groups today after 5pm.


They are 21 year old 9th graders so I guess they can't adults what to do.


LOL, someone's kid can't compete and has had the pleasure of a nice MD skull dragging


Na, just a parent who played sports growing up and knows how easy it is to beat younger kids in the driveway at sports. Bigger and stronger probably isn't an advantage if my kids wanted to play video games but I know how much of an advantage it is in sports. For that reason I would never let my kids play in a competitive game against younger kids. Would push him to be better than the older kids and play up. If you can't have success playing amongst your peers then its probably time to find a new sport that is better suited for you.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it True legacy is practicing ?


Some of their players are posting practices on social media. Just shows the mentality of the lax community. Parents, kids will not get an edge on anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it True legacy is practicing ?


Some of their players are posting practices on social media. Just shows the mentality of the lax community. Parents, kids will not get an edge on anything.


Most Maryland teams can start practicing in small groups today after 5pm.


They are 21 year old 9th graders so I guess they can't adults what to do.


LOL, someone's kid can't compete and has had the pleasure of a nice MD skull dragging


Na, just a parent who played sports growing up and knows how easy it is to beat younger kids in the driveway at sports. Bigger and stronger probably isn't an advantage if my kids wanted to play video games but I know how much of an advantage it is in sports. For that reason I would never let my kids play in a competitive game against younger kids. Would push him to be better than the older kids and play up. If you can't have success playing amongst your peers then its probably time to find a new sport that is better suited for you.


But yet here we are, beating your kid on the field every time. Take all your words and excuses and just make your kid better. That's it.
Stay on topic its about REFUNDS . Use your energy calling out the greedy clubs .
I ran a club for 10 years when my kids were playing. The club was nonprofit (legit nonprofit) . The money is in running tourneys. Right now the tournament money is not being refunded but may be credited for next year. The NGLL -girls spring league- is run by CR and he wants to replace the 8 week season and playoff with a 3 day weekend tourney over Labor day for the same $$$. The club owners are not flush with parent money.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I ran a club for 10 years when my kids were playing. The club was nonprofit (legit nonprofit) . The money is in running tourneys. Right now the tournament money is not being refunded but may be credited for next year. The NGLL -girls spring league- is run by CR and he wants to replace the 8 week season and playoff with a 3 day weekend tourney over Labor day for the same $$$. The club owners are not flush with parent money.


Club owners are partial owners of tourneys! I will send 10 teams to your tourney, you send 10 to mine. Double dipping is the standard in this industry.
You are never seeing a refund.... Clubs are starting to practice this week on an "Optional" basis. 1. Why practice when tourney's have been cxl'd and youth organized sports is last on the "re-open" plan? Simple: To keep your $..... Move on.
https://aca-prod.accela.com/SUFFCO_REOPEN/Welcome.aspx

Some of their players are posting practices on social media. Just shows the mentality of the lax community. Parents, kids will not get an edge on anything.
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Most Maryland teams can start practicing in small groups today after 5pm.
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They are 21 year old 9th graders so I guess they can't adults what to do.[/quote]

LOL, someone's kid can't compete and has had the pleasure of a nice MD skull dragging[/quote]

Na, just a parent who played sports growing up and knows how easy it is to beat younger kids in the driveway at sports. Bigger and stronger probably isn't an advantage if my kids wanted to play video games but I know how much of an advantage it is in sports. For that reason I would never let my kids play in a competitive game against younger kids. Would push him to be better than the older kids and play up. If you can't have success playing amongst your peers then its probably time to find a new sport that is better suited for you.[/quote]

But yet here we are, beating your kid on the field every time. Take all your words and excuses and just make your kid better. That's it.[/quote]

My son is fine. On age 9th grade varsity player. Not 9th grade playing down with 7th graders. I'll let him take his lumps with the big boys instead of picking on little kids. Pretty sure it will make him better in the end.
I doubt refunds are coming. But credits for next year should be applied. Trying to sue club owners is absurd - and not worth the money or the hit to your child's reputation. The best way to help your family get a refund/credit is to arm yourself with facts:
* Club owners are claiming tournaments are asking for deposits for the 2021 summer right now. Email the tournaments and find out if this is true.
* Club owners are saying they've paid in full for the entire spring/summer for fields, permits, and insurance. While I believe the insurance is paid I doubt fields have been paid in full with no offer of refunds or credits for next year. I know my county has refunded money to the local rec organizations for boys leagues and tournaments and that money was passed on to parents. Email the county and ask if that is true
* Club owners are saying they are paying their coaches. Simple - have an honest conversation and ask your coach if they have been paid. My son's club owner said they are paying their coaches but my son's coach told us he has not been paid. Find out if it is true.
* I've heard (some boys) club owners say or elude to the idea that some tournaments are not refunding or crediting money to next year at all - simple email the tournaments and ask.
* If a club owner claims certain clubs collect all of their fees up front and you have friends at those other clubs - find out if that is true.

This is the only way that will lead to refunds/credits. Don't let club owners snow you. If they say, for example, Live,Love, Lax is not refunding money - email that tournament director and you will know whether or not that is true. The more parents have the facts the less club owners will be able to claim.

I'm not sure telling parents to "just move on" or "sue your club owner" are viable options. Get to the truth - that's the only way.
So what if they are? Blame the parents for being the stunads that take their kids to the practices. They are the real imbeciles
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TEAM 91 just sent out an e-mail to all the players saying they plan on doing a full season this summer, that is disgusting! There are still 100's of new Covid cases a day, people are still passing away from this disease daily and they are worried about saving there season so they can hold try outs next year and collect more $. Do they not realize how many people lost there jobs and can't afford this. I am all for lacrosse and have been involved in travel sports for the past decade, this is just pathetic. They would put our children at risk for this and they don't care. Are we going to throw a full shield on these youngsters helmets and then send them out on the field in August in 100 degree temperature and have them pass out? Kids will be dropping like flies from heat related illnesses. You cant do that, this is just a money hungry organization that even sold t-shirts for profit during this pandemic. I have been with TEAM 91 for 8 years now and this is unbelievable. How about you take your waiver away, are you afraid of getting sued after a child gets sick? You say you are all about the kids, then be about the kids and let's make sure they stay healthy!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM 91 just sent out an e-mail to all the players saying they plan on doing a full season this summer, that is disgusting! There are still 100's of new Covid cases a day, people are still passing away from this disease daily and they are worried about saving there season so they can hold try outs next year and collect more $. Do they not realize how many people lost there jobs and can't afford this. I am all for lacrosse and have been involved in travel sports for the past decade, this is just pathetic. They would put our children at risk for this and they don't care. Are we going to throw a full shield on these youngsters helmets and then send them out on the field in August in 100 degree temperature and have them pass out? Kids will be dropping like flies from heat related illnesses. You cant do that, this is just a money hungry organization that even sold t-shirts for profit during this pandemic. I have been with TEAM 91 for 8 years now and this is unbelievable. How about you take your waiver away, are you afraid of getting sued after a child gets sick? You say you are all about the kids, then be about the kids and let's make sure they stay healthy!


2 things....and I detest to be that guy, but you have made it too easy:
1- *their
2- Will you be the first to sign up for tryouts?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM 91 just sent out an e-mail to all the players saying they plan on doing a full season this summer, that is disgusting! There are still 100's of new Covid cases a day, people are still passing away from this disease daily and they are worried about saving there season so they can hold try outs next year and collect more $. Do they not realize how many people lost there jobs and can't afford this. I am all for lacrosse and have been involved in travel sports for the past decade, this is just pathetic. They would put our children at risk for this and they don't care. Are we going to throw a full shield on these youngsters helmets and then send them out on the field in August in 100 degree temperature and have them pass out? Kids will be dropping like flies from heat related illnesses. You cant do that, this is just a money hungry organization that even sold t-shirts for profit during this pandemic. I have been with TEAM 91 for 8 years now and this is unbelievable. How about you take your waiver away, are you afraid of getting sued after a child gets sick? You say you are all about the kids, then be about the kids and let's make sure they stay healthy!



can't please everyone it seems.. Hold your kid out of action if you are so concerned.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM 91 just sent out an e-mail to all the players saying they plan on doing a full season this summer, that is disgusting! There are still 100's of new Covid cases a day, people are still passing away from this disease daily and they are worried about saving there season so they can hold try outs next year and collect more $. Do they not realize how many people lost there jobs and can't afford this. I am all for lacrosse and have been involved in travel sports for the past decade, this is just pathetic. They would put our children at risk for this and they don't care. Are we going to throw a full shield on these youngsters helmets and then send them out on the field in August in 100 degree temperature and have them pass out? Kids will be dropping like flies from heat related illnesses. You cant do that, this is just a money hungry organization that even sold t-shirts for profit during this pandemic. I have been with TEAM 91 for 8 years now and this is unbelievable. How about you take your waiver away, are you afraid of getting sued after a child gets sick? You say you are all about the kids, then be about the kids and let's make sure they stay healthy!


2 things....and I detest to be that guy, but you have made it too easy:
1- *their
2- Will you be the first to sign up for tryouts?



Not to pile on, but 100 degree weather would kill the virus! That's a good thing
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM 91 just sent out an e-mail to all the players saying they plan on doing a full season this summer, that is disgusting! There are still 100's of new Covid cases a day, people are still passing away from this disease daily and they are worried about saving there season so they can hold try outs next year and collect more $. Do they not realize how many people lost there jobs and can't afford this. I am all for lacrosse and have been involved in travel sports for the past decade, this is just pathetic. They would put our children at risk for this and they don't care. Are we going to throw a full shield on these youngsters helmets and then send them out on the field in August in 100 degree temperature and have them pass out? Kids will be dropping like flies from heat related illnesses. You cant do that, this is just a money hungry organization that even sold t-shirts for profit during this pandemic. I have been with TEAM 91 for 8 years now and this is unbelievable. How about you take your waiver away, are you afraid of getting sued after a child gets sick? You say you are all about the kids, then be about the kids and let's make sure they stay healthy!


How is a full season going to happen this summer? I can see teams getting together to have practices, but do you think states will really allow these tournaments happen in the next couple of months,. So go from no lax to FULL tournaments in 2 months? NO WAY
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM 91 just sent out an e-mail to all the players saying they plan on doing a full season this summer, that is disgusting! There are still 100's of new Covid cases a day, people are still passing away from this disease daily and they are worried about saving there season so they can hold try outs next year and collect more $. Do they not realize how many people lost there jobs and can't afford this. I am all for lacrosse and have been involved in travel sports for the past decade, this is just pathetic. They would put our children at risk for this and they don't care. Are we going to throw a full shield on these youngsters helmets and then send them out on the field in August in 100 degree temperature and have them pass out? Kids will be dropping like flies from heat related illnesses. You cant do that, this is just a money hungry organization that even sold t-shirts for profit during this pandemic. I have been with TEAM 91 for 8 years now and this is unbelievable. How about you take your waiver away, are you afraid of getting sued after a child gets sick? You say you are all about the kids, then be about the kids and let's make sure they stay healthy!


Welcome to the real team 91 corporate agenda!!!!!!!
Your kid is just a dollar sign in their corporate world. He'll just be cast aside and the next lemming will replace him.
You obviously are that guy and some how I’m guessing it’s not the first time you “are that guy”.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM 91 just sent out an e-mail to all the players saying they plan on doing a full season this summer, that is disgusting! There are still 100's of new Covid cases a day, people are still passing away from this disease daily and they are worried about saving there season so they can hold try outs next year and collect more $. Do they not realize how many people lost there jobs and can't afford this. I am all for lacrosse and have been involved in travel sports for the past decade, this is just pathetic. They would put our children at risk for this and they don't care. Are we going to throw a full shield on these youngsters helmets and then send them out on the field in August in 100 degree temperature and have them pass out? Kids will be dropping like flies from heat related illnesses. You cant do that, this is just a money hungry organization that even sold t-shirts for profit during this pandemic. I have been with TEAM 91 for 8 years now and this is unbelievable. How about you take your waiver away, are you afraid of getting sued after a child gets sick? You say you are all about the kids, then be about the kids and let's make sure they stay healthy!


2 things....and I detest to be that guy, but you have made it too easy:
1- *their
2- Will you be the first to sign up for tryouts?



Not to pile on, but 100 degree weather would kill the virus! That's a good thing


Welcome to the fray Dr. Fauci!
Thank you for your ignorance, obviously your not a first responder or someone that understands what the virus is doing in hotter temperature countries right now.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thank you for your ignorance, obviously your not a first responder or someone that understands what the virus is doing in hotter temperature countries right now.


Don't be so quick to accuse others of ignorance. The issue is whether there is a serious risk of transmission during outdoor activities. The best evidence to date suggests there is not. That is a separate question from whether some "hot" countries are seeing virus spread. Those countries are seeing the spread in densely populated locations where it is being spread indoors and on mass transit. Getting kids (and parents) outside this Summer will be the best thing for us all. To the extent there is some exposure, it will be at a much lower viral load, which is associated with mild/asymptomatic cases. It will also counter Vitamin D deficiency which appears to be a significant risk factor for severe cases.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...oor-transmission-of-coronavirus-in-china
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM 91 just sent out an e-mail to all the players saying they plan on doing a full season this summer, that is disgusting! There are still 100's of new Covid cases a day, people are still passing away from this disease daily and they are worried about saving there season so they can hold try outs next year and collect more $. Do they not realize how many people lost there jobs and can't afford this. I am all for lacrosse and have been involved in travel sports for the past decade, this is just pathetic. They would put our children at risk for this and they don't care. Are we going to throw a full shield on these youngsters helmets and then send them out on the field in August in 100 degree temperature and have them pass out? Kids will be dropping like flies from heat related illnesses. You cant do that, this is just a money hungry organization that even sold t-shirts for profit during this pandemic. I have been with TEAM 91 for 8 years now and this is unbelievable. How about you take your waiver away, are you afraid of getting sued after a child gets sick? You say you are all about the kids, then be about the kids and let's make sure they stay healthy!


Well said !
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thank you for your ignorance, obviously your not a first responder or someone that understands what the virus is doing in hotter temperature countries right now.


Don't be so quick to accuse others of ignorance. The issue is whether there is a serious risk of transmission during outdoor activities. The best evidence to date suggests there is not. That is a separate question from whether some "hot" countries are seeing virus spread. Those countries are seeing the spread in densely populated locations where it is being spread indoors and on mass transit. Getting kids (and parents) outside this Summer will be the best thing for us all. To the extent there is some exposure, it will be at a much lower viral load, which is associated with mild/asymptomatic cases. It will also counter Vitamin D deficiency which appears to be a significant risk factor for severe cases.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...oor-transmission-of-coronavirus-in-china


Totally agree.. Time to get on with life .

Now some of you believe the numbers coming out of China are true? There is more to life than lax. I agree, lax can take up some space in ones life, but for ones life to revolve around lax is something different.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thank you for your ignorance, obviously your not a first responder or someone that understands what the virus is doing in hotter temperature countries right now.


Don't be so quick to accuse others of ignorance. The issue is whether there is a serious risk of transmission during outdoor activities. The best evidence to date suggests there is not. That is a separate question from whether some "hot" countries are seeing virus spread. Those countries are seeing the spread in densely populated locations where it is being spread indoors and on mass transit. Getting kids (and parents) outside this Summer will be the best thing for us all. To the extent there is some exposure, it will be at a much lower viral load, which is associated with mild/asymptomatic cases. It will also counter Vitamin D deficiency which appears to be a significant risk factor for severe cases.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...oor-transmission-of-coronavirus-in-china


Thank you for your detailed response.

Although the "hotter temperature countries" comment was packed with facts and knowledge!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM 91 just sent out an e-mail to all the players saying they plan on doing a full season this summer, that is disgusting! There are still 100's of new Covid cases a day, people are still passing away from this disease daily and they are worried about saving there season so they can hold try outs next year and collect more $. Do they not realize how many people lost there jobs and can't afford this. I am all for lacrosse and have been involved in travel sports for the past decade, this is just pathetic. They would put our children at risk for this and they don't care. Are we going to throw a full shield on these youngsters helmets and then send them out on the field in August in 100 degree temperature and have them pass out? Kids will be dropping like flies from heat related illnesses. You cant do that, this is just a money hungry organization that even sold t-shirts for profit during this pandemic. I have been with TEAM 91 for 8 years now and this is unbelievable. How about you take your waiver away, are you afraid of getting sued after a child gets sick? You say you are all about the kids, then be about the kids and let's make sure they stay healthy!

How long is a full summer season - e.g. # practices, #tourneys (games per tourney? If things open up late July, early August, it's possible (not yet probable) to get some lax in this summer.

Who's going to rent their fields for hundreds if not thousands of people to gather? Come on now.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM 91 just sent out an e-mail to all the players saying they plan on doing a full season this summer, that is disgusting! There are still 100's of new Covid cases a day, people are still passing away from this disease daily and they are worried about saving there season so they can hold try outs next year and collect more $. Do they not realize how many people lost there jobs and can't afford this. I am all for lacrosse and have been involved in travel sports for the past decade, this is just pathetic. They would put our children at risk for this and they don't care. Are we going to throw a full shield on these youngsters helmets and then send them out on the field in August in 100 degree temperature and have them pass out? Kids will be dropping like flies from heat related illnesses. You cant do that, this is just a money hungry organization that even sold t-shirts for profit during this pandemic. I have been with TEAM 91 for 8 years now and this is unbelievable. How about you take your waiver away, are you afraid of getting sued after a child gets sick? You say you are all about the kids, then be about the kids and let's make sure they stay healthy!

How long is a full summer season - e.g. # practices, #tourneys (games per tourney? If things open up late July, early August, it's possible (not yet probable) to get some lax in this summer.

Who's going to rent their fields for hundreds if not thousands of people to gather? Come on now.


They're on the streets in every city right now, for free.
Then don’t do it! Nobody is twisting your arm.if you have been involved in travel for ten years then you already know your lax crazy like the rest of us!
Blame the parents they don't have the stones to say no so they bring their sheep to slaughter. The clubs aren't making the dopey parents do anything. Shame on the parents
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM 91 just sent out an e-mail to all the players saying they plan on doing a full season this summer, that is disgusting! There are still 100's of new Covid cases a day, people are still passing away from this disease daily and they are worried about saving there season so they can hold try outs next year and collect more $. Do they not realize how many people lost there jobs and can't afford this. I am all for lacrosse and have been involved in travel sports for the past decade, this is just pathetic. They would put our children at risk for this and they don't care. Are we going to throw a full shield on these youngsters helmets and then send them out on the field in August in 100 degree temperature and have them pass out? Kids will be dropping like flies from heat related illnesses. You cant do that, this is just a money hungry organization that even sold t-shirts for profit during this pandemic. I have been with TEAM 91 for 8 years now and this is unbelievable. How about you take your waiver away, are you afraid of getting sued after a child gets sick? You say you are all about the kids, then be about the kids and let's make sure they stay healthy!


it is your right to have your child NOT play, just as it is our to have them play if we see fit. kif you want to remain scared, then you parent the way you want, after all it is a free country, once the power is taken back from the governor, that is.

Were i agree we will not be getting a full summer out of this, there is still more then 3 months of miss practices that have to be accounted for.

I have also heard some club owners say that they will do some some mini tourney with other club teams. this is not the same, cost as going to a normal tourney and should also account for a bigger refund. there is no difference is this and setting up a 3 or 4 way scrimmage. and dont get started on this things replacing a showcase.

on the post about refund and owners not getting refunds from tourney or feilds. its simple, that's not our problem. just like if we dont get refunds, we can bring the owners to small claim, they can do the same. We paid for a service, and it wasnt fully received and a partial refund is due. Great example of this is that i belong to a gym, they sent an emailed saying our gyms are closed and you will not be charged for the membership until they open back up.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM 91 just sent out an e-mail to all the players saying they plan on doing a full season this summer, that is disgusting! There are still 100's of new Covid cases a day, people are still passing away from this disease daily and they are worried about saving there season so they can hold try outs next year and collect more $. Do they not realize how many people lost there jobs and can't afford this. I am all for lacrosse and have been involved in travel sports for the past decade, this is just pathetic. They would put our children at risk for this and they don't care. Are we going to throw a full shield on these youngsters helmets and then send them out on the field in August in 100 degree temperature and have them pass out? Kids will be dropping like flies from heat related illnesses. You cant do that, this is just a money hungry organization that even sold t-shirts for profit during this pandemic. I have been with TEAM 91 for 8 years now and this is unbelievable. How about you take your waiver away, are you afraid of getting sued after a child gets sick? You say you are all about the kids, then be about the kids and let's make sure they stay healthy!

How long is a full summer season - e.g. # practices, #tourneys (games per tourney? If things open up late July, early August, it's possible (not yet probable) to get some lax in this summer.

Who's going to rent their fields for hundreds if not thousands of people to gather? Come on now.


They're on the streets in every city right now, for free.

Karen, if the king of NY allows riots, he should allow lax.
It’s very easy collecting money. Paying money, not so easy. Alligator arms. 91s email shouldn’t surprise anyone. This is business. They collected 4 to 5 thousand a kid. Think about that. A teams, B teams,C teams. Just about every kid makes a team, every kid has a parent with a check book. Hundreds and hundreds of kids paying tuitions like that. Now girls as well, we can be talking over a 1000 kids. They collected boatloads of money after those fall tryouts. Now it’s June, we haven’t had lacrosse for 3 months. The organization knows, if they don’t whip something up quick, a lot of this money will have to be returned or somehow credited for next season. They will do anything possible to not have this play out like that. Again it’s all business. They collected the money. They want to keep that money period. They won’t break laws, but short of that anything. They will have small practices, scrimmages, clinics, Instagram videos, etc. Parents of course will sign waivers, the club knows what to do legally. This will be the scenario for June, July and August. Come September will be the heated club/parent debate. September will be here before you know it. Stay tuned.
I don’t personally know this club but it’s starting to sound like some lax parents just want their money back period. It has nothing to do with the kids actually being able to play lax. Their is a small glimmer of hope in Maryland that the governor may allow outside sporting events before the end of summer and I’m hoping this means our kids can get on the field and get back to some normalcy and fun! They have already lost a lot in 2020. Every parent has the right to close what’s best for their child but we can’t all continue to live in fear in our homes and cancel daily living. Let’s get on with it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM 91 just sent out an e-mail to all the players saying they plan on doing a full season this summer, that is disgusting! There are still 100's of new Covid cases a day, people are still passing away from this disease daily and they are worried about saving there season so they can hold try outs next year and collect more $. Do they not realize how many people lost there jobs and can't afford this. I am all for lacrosse and have been involved in travel sports for the past decade, this is just pathetic. They would put our children at risk for this and they don't care. Are we going to throw a full shield on these youngsters helmets and then send them out on the field in August in 100 degree temperature and have them pass out? Kids will be dropping like flies from heat related illnesses. You cant do that, this is just a money hungry organization that even sold t-shirts for profit during this pandemic. I have been with TEAM 91 for 8 years now and this is unbelievable. How about you take your waiver away, are you afraid of getting sued after a child gets sick? You say you are all about the kids, then be about the kids and let's make sure they stay healthy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM 91 just sent out an e-mail to all the players saying they plan on doing a full season this summer, that is disgusting! There are still 100's of new Covid cases a day, people are still passing away from this disease daily and they are worried about saving there season so they can hold try outs next year and collect more $. Do they not realize how many people lost there jobs and can't afford this. I am all for lacrosse and have been involved in travel sports for the past decade, this is just pathetic. They would put our children at risk for this and they don't care. Are we going to throw a full shield on these youngsters helmets and then send them out on the field in August in 100 degree temperature and have them pass out? Kids will be dropping like flies from heat related illnesses. You cant do that, this is just a money hungry organization that even sold t-shirts for profit during this pandemic. I have been with TEAM 91 for 8 years now and this is unbelievable. How about you take your waiver away, are you afraid of getting sued after a child gets sick? You say you are all about the kids, then be about the kids and let's make sure they stay healthy!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM 91 just sent out an e-mail to all the players saying they plan on doing a full season this summer, that is disgusting! There are still 100's of new Covid cases a day, people are still passing away from this disease daily and they are worried about saving there season so they can hold try outs next year and collect more $. Do they not realize how many people lost there jobs and can't afford this. I am all for lacrosse and have been involved in travel sports for the past decade, this is just pathetic. They would put our children at risk for this and they don't care. Are we going to throw a full shield on these youngsters helmets and then send them out on the field in August in 100 degree temperature and have them pass out? Kids will be dropping like flies from heat related illnesses. You cant do that, this is just a money hungry organization that even sold t-shirts for profit during this pandemic. I have been with TEAM 91 for 8 years now and this is unbelievable. How about you take your waiver away, are you afraid of getting sued after a child gets sick? You say you are all about the kids, then be about the kids and let's make sure they stay healthy!


2 things....and I detest to be that guy, but you have made it too easy:
1- *their
2- Will you be the first to sign up for tryouts?



Not to pile on, but 100 degree weather would kill the virus! That's a good thing


Welcome to the fray Dr. Fauci!

I want to be sure I understand some positions here

- The governor has set very clear criteria for reopening. As of now, if numbers continue to trend in the direction they are, Phase 4 reopening, which includes sports, would be around July 9th.

- Heat aside, I see 3 tournaments already scheduled with fields booked. Usage is based on entering Phase 4 reopening.

If the criteria say Lacrosse can be played in July and August are some of you believing that you being scared warrants the club refunding you money? I dont know what we will do at this time but the hope of having some lax makes my boys happy. My club continues to communicate and is following state and local government guidance and are hopeful to have a summer offering.

Side note and known 91 fact: If it is too hot 91 Wolfpack wont be playing so maybe they should start looking for refunds.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM 91 just sent out an e-mail to all the players saying they plan on doing a full season this summer, that is disgusting! There are still 100's of new Covid cases a day, people are still passing away from this disease daily and they are worried about saving there season so they can hold try outs next year and collect more $. Do they not realize how many people lost there jobs and can't afford this. I am all for lacrosse and have been involved in travel sports for the past decade, this is just pathetic. They would put our children at risk for this and they don't care. Are we going to throw a full shield on these youngsters helmets and then send them out on the field in August in 100 degree temperature and have them pass out? Kids will be dropping like flies from heat related illnesses. You cant do that, this is just a money hungry organization that even sold t-shirts for profit during this pandemic. I have been with TEAM 91 for 8 years now and this is unbelievable. How about you take your waiver away, are you afraid of getting sued after a child gets sick? You say you are all about the kids, then be about the kids and let's make sure they stay healthy!


2 things....and I detest to be that guy, but you have made it too easy:
1- *their
2- Will you be the first to sign up for tryouts?



Not to pile on, but 100 degree weather would kill the virus! That's a good thing


Welcome to the fray Dr. Fauci!

I want to be sure I understand some positions here

- The governor has set very clear criteria for reopening. As of now, if numbers continue to trend in the direction they are, Phase 4 reopening, which includes sports, would be around July 9th.

- Heat aside, I see 3 tournaments already scheduled with fields booked. Usage is based on entering Phase 4 reopening.

If the criteria say Lacrosse can be played in July and August are some of you believing that you being scared warrants the club refunding you money? I dont know what we will do at this time but the hope of having some lax makes my boys happy. My club continues to communicate and is following state and local government guidance and are hopeful to have a summer offering.

Side note and known 91 fact: If it is too hot 91 Wolfpack wont be playing so maybe they should start looking for refunds.


Not to be combative (and I agree with majority of what you wrote) -- let's say you get 3 or 4 tournaments in from mid-July thru August. Do you feel that is comparable to what you paid for in your tuition package that was supposed to run from March - July? What about all the practice time lost? As nice as zoom sessions and instructional videos are, they are not a replacement for the value of hands-on coaching. And what if you were planning on a 5, 6 or 7 tournament season from Spring - Summer?

If safe to do so, I'm all for getting the season rolling. However, squeezing 3 or 4 tournaments over a 6 week period is not sufficient to not warrant some sort of credit to roll into next season. That is my opinion
Signing a waiver does not mean you can’t sue a club. If the club is not adhering to or violating state laws or guidelines and your kid gets sick...then you have a right to sue. If the club is operating within state guidelines, you sign a waiver and your kids gets sick...then it will be tough to sue. Signing a waiver does not release a club from all of their responsibilities to follow state and local laws, bylaws and guidelines. The US and NY state is still in a state of emergency enacted by the president and governor respectively.
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Signing a waiver does not mean you can’t sue a club. If the club is not adhering to or violating state laws or guidelines and your kid gets sick...then you have a right to sue. If the club is operating within state guidelines, you sign a waiver and your kids gets sick...then it will be tough to sue. Signing a waiver does not release a club from all of their responsibilities to follow state and local laws, bylaws and guidelines. The US and NY state is still in a state of emergency enacted by the president and governor respectively.



oh my god.. you people are painful.. If you are so frightened, keep your son out of action.. Spend the rest of the summer in a bunker.

The rest of us will accept the (minuscule) risk and get on with life..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Signing a waiver does not mean you can’t sue a club. If the club is not adhering to or violating state laws or guidelines and your kid gets sick...then you have a right to sue. If the club is operating within state guidelines, you sign a waiver and your kids gets sick...then it will be tough to sue. Signing a waiver does not release a club from all of their responsibilities to follow state and local laws, bylaws and guidelines. The US and NY state is still in a state of emergency enacted by the president and governor respectively.

I've been trying to explain this to many people. They seem to be driven by emotion. This also pertains to the playing fields and venues. Any established club will be taking a large risk at this time allowing teams to get underway. If by chance, a club selects to operate outside the guidelines set in place by U.S. and State and someone files a claim, insurance company will not indemnify the club.
After taking a look at the waivers some clubs want the parents to sign for themselves and kids regarding lax tournaments, in my opinion is insane. I believe it's may be time to salvage the summer without lax this year. Good luck.
My son ('26) plays for a large Club in Western NY and I have been reading this thread and enjoying the banter. The one thing that I keep coming back to is look at the precautions the professional sports leagues are taking to get back to playing ( Quarantine periods, periodic testing, no fans, etc. ) and think to myself what politician is going to say "Yep, all clear, go ahead and have your YOUTH lacrosse tournament". Regardless if the threat of infection is real or a political football, what is the incentive for the people in power to "let them play".

WNY has been virtually unscathed during this pandemic (unlike NYC metro area) and I can't imagine my local politicians allowing us to have a regular, full contact practice this summer much less a tournament. Once Phase 4 rolls out we can get together and run drills but contact? Yeah I am not seeing it.

I want to be wrong but I fear I am not. I would love to have someone explain to me the benefit of a town, county, state allowing for a lacrosse tournament this summer?

Can't wait for the responses...
Agreed. If things get better locally, lets have some practices so kids actually learn and get better. Don't make us travel to some useless tournament and stay in some overcrowded hotel with no fully open restaurants.
My state/city is a few weeks into Phase 2. We are allowed to start youth practice starting the week of June 21 with only 25 kids allowed. At these practices there is no contact, at all.
Every concert, marathon, arts festival, carnival, 4th of July event is cancelled for the entire summer. I really can’t see anything happening all summer, unfortunately. Just wish we could get an answer to move to a fuller fall schedule so families can go on vacation instead of waiting all summer to find out at the last minute that surprise, everything is cancelled.
I can’t see anybody taking a risk to have these kids possibly get this virus. Imagine if one kid got sick, the fall back would be incredible. Even though chances are low that kids contract this virus, I don’t see this summer happening.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My state/city is a few weeks into Phase 2. We are allowed to start youth practice starting the week of June 21 with only 25 kids allowed. At these practices there is no contact, at all.
Every concert, marathon, arts festival, carnival, 4th of July event is cancelled for the entire summer. I really can’t see anything happening all summer, unfortunately. Just wish we could get an answer to move to a fuller fall schedule so families can go on vacation instead of waiting all summer to find out at the last minute that surprise, everything is cancelled.
I can’t see anybody taking a risk to have these kids possibly get this virus. Imagine if one kid got sick, the fall back would be incredible. Even though chances are low that kids contract this virus, I don’t see this summer happening.


I am afraid that we are going to be on a slow drip of information for the rest of the summer.

There is no incentive for the tournament directors to cancel things and then have to offer refunds or credits for next year. There is no incentive for club directors to make any decision because if they shut preemptively they will be out their tournament fees and have parents asking for refunds/credits.

This is why I think the NCAA extended the Blackout period through July. I think somewhere in their thinking was the short-circuiting of the recruiting pyramid. Now I know that he '26s aren't getting recruited but most of the "good" tournaments are multi-grade events.

I completely agree with you that this limbo is the issue. I would love to know that things won't happen and I can use the funds I have allocated to rent a beach house and chill for a couple weekends...
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TEAM 91 just sent out an e-mail to all the players saying they plan on doing a full season this summer, that is disgusting! There are still 100's of new Covid cases a day, people are still passing away from this disease daily and they are worried about saving there season so they can hold try outs next year and collect more $. Do they not realize how many people lost there jobs and can't afford this. I am all for lacrosse and have been involved in travel sports for the past decade, this is just pathetic. They would put our children at risk for this and they don't care. Are we going to throw a full shield on these youngsters helmets and then send them out on the field in August in 100 degree temperature and have them pass out? Kids will be dropping like flies from heat related illnesses. You cant do that, this is just a money hungry organization that even sold t-shirts for profit during this pandemic. I have been with TEAM 91 for 8 years now and this is unbelievable. How about you take your waiver away, are you afraid of getting sued after a child gets sick? You say you are all about the kids, then be about the kids and let's make sure they stay healthy!


2 things....and I detest to be that guy, but you have made it too easy:
1- *their
2- Will you be the first to sign up for tryouts?



Not to pile on, but 100 degree weather would kill the virus! That's a good thing


Welcome to the fray Dr. Fauci!

I want to be sure I understand some positions here

- The governor has set very clear criteria for reopening. As of now, if numbers continue to trend in the direction they are, Phase 4 reopening, which includes sports, would be around July 9th.

- Heat aside, I see 3 tournaments already scheduled with fields booked. Usage is based on entering Phase 4 reopening.

If the criteria say Lacrosse can be played in July and August are some of you believing that you being scared warrants the club refunding you money? I dont know what we will do at this time but the hope of having some lax makes my boys happy. My club continues to communicate and is following state and local government guidance and are hopeful to have a summer offering.

Side note and known 91 fact: If it is too hot 91 Wolfpack wont be playing so maybe they should start looking for refunds.


Not to be combative (and I agree with majority of what you wrote) -- let's say you get 3 or 4 tournaments in from mid-July thru August. Do you feel that is comparable to what you paid for in your tuition package that was supposed to run from March - July? What about all the practice time lost? As nice as zoom sessions and instructional videos are, they are not a replacement for the value of hands-on coaching. And what if you were planning on a 5, 6 or 7 tournament season from Spring - Summer?

If safe to do so, I'm all for getting the season rolling. However, squeezing 3 or 4 tournaments over a 6 week period is not sufficient to not warrant some sort of credit to roll into next season. That is my opinion

Fair points. We didn't lose too many club practices but did lose the whole Town season....which was fully refunded. If things open after July 4th we would have lost a few practices. No more than we likely would have lost due to the usual weather this time of year. In fall, when we lost a tourney to weather, our club found us a new one. The club we left a few years ago didnt. No one went to court over it. Does weather rescheduling happen for everyone? Do you lose a certain bit of every season to weather? I can say the 7 tournaments being paid for is not what we have so I would probably look at that different. Would hope the club would as well since Im pretty sure tournaments ARE refunding and SHOULD be since all they did was pay to hold a field which the renter cant provide so will be refunding to tournament directors. I get that its hard times. Hold out hope the boys can do something they love and be a parent. If its not safe in your eyes dont put them out there. More important, try to teach them to be good people because the world needs this generation to make change!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son ('26) plays for a large Club in Western NY and I have been reading this thread and enjoying the banter. The one thing that I keep coming back to is look at the precautions the professional sports leagues are taking to get back to playing ( Quarantine periods, periodic testing, no fans, etc. ) and think to myself what politician is going to say "Yep, all clear, go ahead and have your YOUTH lacrosse tournament". Regardless if the threat of infection is real or a political football, what is the incentive for the people in power to "let them play".

WNY has been virtually unscathed during this pandemic (unlike NYC metro area) and I can't imagine my local politicians allowing us to have a regular, full contact practice this summer much less a tournament. Once Phase 4 rolls out we can get together and run drills but contact? Yeah I am not seeing it.

I want to be wrong but I fear I am not. I would love to have someone explain to me the benefit of a town, county, state allowing for a lacrosse tournament this summer?

Can't wait for the responses...

This just gets more absurd. No politician is saying, lets have a lax tournament. They are saying this is the criteria for these things to happen. If the criteria are met and you dont agree dont play. FYI, you can get together and run drills before Phase4......gatherings of less than 10 are allowed and station based training seems to be acceptable. Phase 4 is schools returning and sports. Though lax got a bS classification I do not believe Phase 4 says what sports can and cant be played. Phase 4 is essentially saying youre back to normal. If we dont see an uptick based on the protests (which i find a lot less safe than a lax tournament,.....for the most part) why would we not play lax? Too hot (are you a WP parent) Too scared? All fine but dont ask for money back.
Covid was a hoax. CDC reports show .25% case fatality rate of symptomatic cases. Factor in the asymptomatic and better chance of lightning strike for those under age 50. 0% chance for those under 20. Play away and screw your commie overlords.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Signing a waiver does not mean you can’t sue a club. If the club is not adhering to or violating state laws or guidelines and your kid gets sick...then you have a right to sue. If the club is operating within state guidelines, you sign a waiver and your kids gets sick...then it will be tough to sue. Signing a waiver does not release a club from all of their responsibilities to follow state and local laws, bylaws and guidelines. The US and NY state is still in a state of emergency enacted by the president and governor respectively.


What the CDC put out are guidelines, not requirements. NYS hasn't come out with anything, but if its outside, most they say is keep distance, wash hands and don't share stuff.

Try suing a club for you getting sick and see what happens. Nothing.
First thing, try suing if you get the flu from them or chicken pox or anything else. The courts will laugh at you.
Second, you have to prove that you got sick on the field with them, not you walking to the car, talking (or drinking) in the parking lot, ect.
Third, i bet each club will give you the option to return. if you do then, it was your choice to be there.

Do club owe refunds? yes they do. how much needs to be determined once the kids get on the fields and see what tourney they can do. But asking for a refund now is pointless, unless you just want off the team.
Not to be combative (and I agree with majority of what you wrote) -- let's say you get 3 or 4 tournaments in from mid-July thru August. Do you feel that is comparable to what you paid for in your tuition package that was supposed to run from March - July? What about all the practice time lost? As nice as zoom sessions and instructional videos are, they are not a replacement for the value of hands-on coaching. And what if you were planning on a 5, 6 or 7 tournament season from Spring - Summer?

If safe to do so, I'm all for getting the season rolling. However, squeezing 3 or 4 tournaments over a 6 week period is not sufficient to not warrant some sort of credit to roll into next season. That is my opinion[/quote]
Fair points. We didn't lose too many club practices but did lose the whole Town season....which was fully refunded. If things open after July 4th we would have lost a few practices. No more than we likely would have lost due to the usual weather this time of year. In fall, when we lost a tourney to weather, our club found us a new one. The club we left a few years ago didnt. No one went to court over it. Does weather rescheduling happen for everyone? Do you lose a certain bit of every season to weather? I can say the 7 tournaments being paid for is not what we have so I would probably look at that different. Would hope the club would as well since Im pretty sure tournaments ARE refunding and SHOULD be since all they did was pay to hold a field which the renter cant provide so will be refunding to tournament directors. I get that its hard times. Hold out hope the boys can do something they love and be a parent. If its not safe in your eyes dont put them out there. More important, try to teach them to be good people because the world needs this generation to make change!
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We lost a lot of practices. In march we lost the end of our winter indoor training, which was once a week. Then starting April we go twice a week. as of today we lost about 24 practices. the older teams didn't lose as many b.c most don't practice until school lax is over, but for them, they lost about 10 practices.
Kids get better and learn from practices. Tourney and games are where they execute what they have learned. most people put a higher value on quality practices and coaching over just playing games. I know many teams did team zoom/google meeting, which is nice to keep the team connected, but by no means is that anything close to a quality practice.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son ('26) plays for a large Club in Western NY and I have been reading this thread and enjoying the banter. The one thing that I keep coming back to is look at the precautions the professional sports leagues are taking to get back to playing ( Quarantine periods, periodic testing, no fans, etc. ) and think to myself what politician is going to say "Yep, all clear, go ahead and have your YOUTH lacrosse tournament". Regardless if the threat of infection is real or a political football, what is the incentive for the people in power to "let them play".

WNY has been virtually unscathed during this pandemic (unlike NYC metro area) and I can't imagine my local politicians allowing us to have a regular, full contact practice this summer much less a tournament. Once Phase 4 rolls out we can get together and run drills but contact? Yeah I am not seeing it.

I want to be wrong but I fear I am not. I would love to have someone explain to me the benefit of a town, county, state allowing for a lacrosse tournament this summer?

Can't wait for the responses...



The justification for limiting/cancelling professional sports is that packing stadiums (especially indoor facilities) creates a risk of transmission among the packed in fans. Your average outdoor summer lacrosse tournament doesn't create nearly the same risk. On the contrary, best science at this point suggests such outdoor exposure is VERY low risk. Weighed against the undisputed benefits of getting the kids exercise, getting the kids and parents sun (Vitamin D) and general benefits of social interaction, youth tournaments should proceed. Some basic precautions can be taken, but there is very little justification for blanket bans.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Covid was a hoax. CDC reports show .25% case fatality rate of symptomatic cases. Factor in the asymptomatic and better chance of lightning strike for those under age 50. 0% chance for those under 20. Play away and screw your commie overlords.


Just a couple of weeks ago, you were all over the Express forum talking about refunds, St. Anthony's H.S. etc. Over night you became the expert on the virus. Still, doesn't excuse the fact you need to enroll yourself in some sort of elementary school book club during this summer.
If nothing will happen then why are they having people sign waivers? Ask them to sell what their doing to their insurance companies and see if they get a policy renewal.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If nothing will happen then why are they having people sign waivers? Ask them to sell what their doing to their insurance companies and see if they get a policy renewal.


After reading one of the waivers, regardless I would never sign something as such. In my opinion, you have to be a horrible parent to agree to the risk and liability spelled out. I also think, many clubs will attempt to leave parents and their kids blowing in the wind, by continually pushing tournaments further back. In other words, they need parents to hang around this summer, in a wait and see holding pattern.
As a nurse, I have a little different perspective then most because I see on a daily basis what the virus does to the human body if you have to be hospitalized. If you think it is a hoax I would advise you to talk to someone who has been hospitalized by the disease. As far as lacrosse this summer, if tournaments are held, some people will get the virus. No doubt about it. Being outside is one thing but all of you sweaty athletes and parents will then pack into a hotel or restaurants (if open) with other people from different states. So the risk will be high at that point. The CDC (trump Admin) is quietly predicting 250,000-400,000 deaths by 1/1/21. Why? The virus has been able to embed itself in every state of the country and is awaiting to unleash this fall and winter as this was not the case when it arrived in the US. The virus got to the US at the end of our winter cycle and this fall and winter most of the country will be brought indoors for the virus to thrive. The government is quietly predicting the 2nd wave to be worse then the first and little is being done to prevent it at this time. I hope all of you safe and healthy travels.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a nurse, I have a little different perspective then most because I see on a daily basis what the virus does to the human body if you have to be hospitalized. If you think it is a hoax I would advise you to talk to someone who has been hospitalized by the disease. As far as lacrosse this summer, if tournaments are held, some people will get the virus. No doubt about it. Being outside is one thing but all of you sweaty athletes and parents will then pack into a hotel or restaurants (if open) with other people from different states. So the risk will be high at that point. The CDC (trump Admin) is quietly predicting 250,000-400,000 deaths by 1/1/21. Why? The virus has been able to embed itself in every state of the country and is awaiting to unleash this fall and winter as this was not the case when it arrived in the US. The virus got to the US at the end of our winter cycle and this fall and winter most of the country will be brought indoors for the virus to thrive. The government is quietly predicting the 2nd wave to be worse then the first and little is being done to prevent it at this time. I hope all of you safe and healthy travels.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a nurse, I have a little different perspective then most because I see on a daily basis what the virus does to the human body if you have to be hospitalized. If you think it is a hoax I would advise you to talk to someone who has been hospitalized by the disease. As far as lacrosse this summer, if tournaments are held, some people will get the virus. No doubt about it. Being outside is one thing but all of you sweaty athletes and parents will then pack into a hotel or restaurants (if open) with other people from different states. So the risk will be high at that point. The CDC (trump Admin) is quietly predicting 250,000-400,000 deaths by 1/1/21. Why? The virus has been able to embed itself in every state of the country and is awaiting to unleash this fall and winter as this was not the case when it arrived in the US. The virus got to the US at the end of our winter cycle and this fall and winter most of the country will be brought indoors for the virus to thrive. The government is quietly predicting the 2nd wave to be worse then the first and little is being done to prevent it at this time. I hope all of you safe and healthy travels.


Maybe you will get it maybe you won't. Lets say you do contract the virus and have no symptoms, but pass it along to someone who will become negatively affected by it, then what. Clubs only care about one thing and one thing only, $$$$
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a nurse, I have a little different perspective then most because I see on a daily basis what the virus does to the human body if you have to be hospitalized. If you think it is a hoax I would advise you to talk to someone who has been hospitalized by the disease. As far as lacrosse this summer, if tournaments are held, some people will get the virus. No doubt about it. Being outside is one thing but all of you sweaty athletes and parents will then pack into a hotel or restaurants (if open) with other people from different states. So the risk will be high at that point. The CDC (trump Admin) is quietly predicting 250,000-400,000 deaths by 1/1/21. Why? The virus has been able to embed itself in every state of the country and is awaiting to unleash this fall and winter as this was not the case when it arrived in the US. The virus got to the US at the end of our winter cycle and this fall and winter most of the country will be brought indoors for the virus to thrive. The government is quietly predicting the 2nd wave to be worse then the first and little is being done to prevent it at this time. I hope all of you safe and healthy travels.


Its not a hoax, just not as deadly as it could be. You get the regular flu it messes you up for a week. Do we stop the world because of it? no, If you are in a high risk group, take precautions, otherwise, life should be able to go on as normal. Being outside is healthier than staying indoors cooped up. Virtually every case of a healthy symptomatic person ended up getting better. You cannot look at the outlier cases and say it is that way for everyone. As of this week, between 400-500k people per day have been tested, about 5% are positive. The data does not distinguish between symptomatic and asymptomatic. The mortality rate for people under 50 is under 1% and under 60 2% after that it goes up exponentially. The data does not support keeping everyone locked down. Sources NYC first responder and ourworldindata.org for numbers
No refunds. Lacrosse tournaments will be at the end of July and run into mid August.

Laxfest August 14-16
Lax Clash August 22-23

Kids get to enjoy June and July and play lax in August.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No refunds. Lacrosse tournaments will be at the end of July and run into mid August.

Laxfest August 14-16
Lax Clash August 22-23

Kids get to enjoy June and July and play lax in August.



too bad the HS fall sports starts 2nd week of August
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No refunds. Lacrosse tournaments will be at the end of July and run into mid August.

Laxfest August 14-16
Lax Clash August 22-23

Kids get to enjoy June and July and play lax in August.



most people pay on these teams and want practices too. just b.c they get in the tourneys, doesnt mean that everyone is not entitled to a refund/credit for the 3+ months that was missed.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No refunds. Lacrosse tournaments will be at the end of July and run into mid August.

Laxfest August 14-16
Lax Clash August 22-23

Kids get to enjoy June and July and play lax in August.


I don't want to over read your statement, but how about allowing Your kid(s) enjoy, June, July and AUGUST. Sounds like August is for your enjoyment (parent)
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No refunds. Lacrosse tournaments will be at the end of July and run into mid August.

Laxfest August 14-16
Lax Clash August 22-23

Kids get to enjoy June and July and play lax in August.



most people pay on these teams and want practices too. just b.c they get in the tourneys, doesnt mean that everyone is not entitled to a refund/credit for the 3+ months that was missed.

Yes exactly.
I do enjoy the game, so yes you are correct. Point is the summer has been taken up by practices and weekly tournaments. This year = Beach,boating, and pool June through July.
FYI - There are other tournaments that are going to be announced with late July and early August dates.
Enjoy your Sunday
Everyone is clamoring to get back to youth lacrosse and professional sports aren't even playing right now. Professional athletes will be tested on a daily basis and no fans will be at the games yet people are signing waivers without clubs addressing the safety measures they are putting in place. Are players and parents going to be tested at practice and tournaments, at least a temperature check? Are tournaments going to allow fans, if so, how many? Have clubs been in touch with the hotels in the area of the tournaments to see what safety measures they have in place? US Lacrosse just released their return to play guidelines and people from different states can't not play each other until stage 5 and a club can not operate in large groups locally until stage 4 - which only allows groups of 50 people or less (outdoors, only up to 10 people indoors). It also matters what state guidelines are in place. Also, if you are not 2021-2024 why are you exposing yourself to any tournaments this summer, does it really matter. Get you kid some training and link up with your pal teams for some small group stuff. Exposing your whole family to have 8-12 year old's play tournaments that don't mean anything is insane to me.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone is clamoring to get back to youth lacrosse and professional sports aren't even playing right now. Professional athletes will be tested on a daily basis and no fans will be at the games yet people are signing waivers without clubs addressing the safety measures they are putting in place. Are players and parents going to be tested at practice and tournaments, at least a temperature check? Are tournaments going to allow fans, if so, how many? Have clubs been in touch with the hotels in the area of the tournaments to see what safety measures they have in place? US Lacrosse just released their return to play guidelines and people from different states can't not play each other until stage 5 and a club can not operate in large groups locally until stage 4 - which only allows groups of 50 people or less (outdoors, only up to 10 people indoors). It also matters what state guidelines are in place. Also, if you are not 2021-2024 why are you exposing yourself to any tournaments this summer, does it really matter. Get you kid some training and link up with your pal teams for some small group stuff. Exposing your whole family to have 8-12 year old's play tournaments that don't mean anything is insane to me.


THANKYOU!! PERFECTLY STATED. Hopefully enough people realize that traveling to play in a pointless tournament makes no sense. Stay local, train, maybe some scrimmages against other local clubs that should be the max. While I would like some kind of credit or refund, I'd be ok with just saving hotel and travel costs
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone is clamoring to get back to youth lacrosse and professional sports aren't even playing right now. Professional athletes will be tested on a daily basis and no fans will be at the games yet people are signing waivers without clubs addressing the safety measures they are putting in place. Are players and parents going to be tested at practice and tournaments, at least a temperature check? Are tournaments going to allow fans, if so, how many? Have clubs been in touch with the hotels in the area of the tournaments to see what safety measures they have in place? US Lacrosse just released their return to play guidelines and people from different states can't not play each other until stage 5 and a club can not operate in large groups locally until stage 4 - which only allows groups of 50 people or less (outdoors, only up to 10 people indoors). It also matters what state guidelines are in place. Also, if you are not 2021-2024 why are you exposing yourself to any tournaments this summer, does it really matter. Get you kid some training and link up with your pal teams for some small group stuff. Exposing your whole family to have 8-12 year old's play tournaments that don't mean anything is insane to me.


Why? Because Summer tournaments can easily be made extremely low risk, they are outdoors and people/fans aren't packed together in a stadium (or worse, indoor arena). The kids are basically at zero risk and the adults can decide if they, personally, are at risk and shouldn't attend. A blanket ban is simply not justified by the risk, especially given the health and social benefits of youth sports.
I wouldn't anticipate refunds.
Refund? Better shot of making a vaccine in your bathtub for COVID-19 ...... Are there any tournaments scheduled? Teams are now practicing but for what? Im confused. Is it a ploy to keep everyones money?
Keeping everyone’s money is every teams objective.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone is clamoring to get back to youth lacrosse and professional sports aren't even playing right now. Professional athletes will be tested on a daily basis and no fans will be at the games yet people are signing waivers without clubs addressing the safety measures they are putting in place. Are players and parents going to be tested at practice and tournaments, at least a temperature check? Are tournaments going to allow fans, if so, how many? Have clubs been in touch with the hotels in the area of the tournaments to see what safety measures they have in place? US Lacrosse just released their return to play guidelines and people from different states can't not play each other until stage 5 and a club can not operate in large groups locally until stage 4 - which only allows groups of 50 people or less (outdoors, only up to 10 people indoors). It also matters what state guidelines are in place. Also, if you are not 2021-2024 why are you exposing yourself to any tournaments this summer, does it really matter. Get you kid some training and link up with your pal teams for some small group stuff. Exposing your whole family to have 8-12 year old's play tournaments that don't mean anything is insane to me.


Why? Because Summer tournaments can easily be made extremely low risk, they are outdoors and people/fans aren't packed together in a stadium (or worse, indoor arena). The kids are basically at zero risk and the adults can decide if they, personally, are at risk and shouldn't attend. A blanket ban is simply not justified by the risk, especially given the health and social benefits of youth sports.



Can Hotels be made extremely low risk? Can restaurants be made low risk? Lets not even talk about porto potties!! It's more than the actual tournament that is at issue. I agree Let the kids play just do it locally!!
If you don’t want to be involved then dont! Quit coming on her crying like little babies! You and your kid has probably already had the virus or been exposed to it, so move on and quit trying to spoil everybody’s summer your not getting your money back. It’s the chance you take when you sign up for travel! Stay home and stink on your binky!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I do enjoy the game, so yes you are correct. Point is the summer has been taken up by practices and weekly tournaments. This year = Beach,boating, and pool June through July.
FYI - There are other tournaments that are going to be announced with late July and early August dates.
Enjoy your Sunday


As a parent with a kid who does 3 sports this is the best thing ever. Not only do we get some weekends back but I think kids that go hard all year round in multiple sports could use this time off to let their bodies recover. stinks if your whole family life is geared around little johnny who only plays lacrosse but relax, it will be back next spring.
Everything being said makes sense. I’m a customer like you, I agree with you. However as a business owner/ club director, it makes business sense to try and make a lacrosse season. Doing this will give clubs the right to issue no refunds. If the season ended and they said let’s start in the fall, clubs would be on the hook for lots of money. Trust me when I tell you, winning lacrosse tournaments, your kid getting better in lacrosse, the club caring about your feelings, weighs very little in comparison to the club making money. The bottom line is this is a business, plain and simple.
The problem is lacrosse and all sports at this point seem to just have a lackluster feel to it. Teams haven’t been together in 3 months, some parents are nervous, do people get shields on helmets, nobody wants to go to a hotel, some kids aren’t allowed to practice etc. I understand the clubs view of it being a business. It just feels like things would be better starting fresh in the fall. It just doesn’t feel right.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everything being said makes sense. I’m a customer like you, I agree with you. However as a business owner/ club director, it makes business sense to try and make a lacrosse season. Doing this will give clubs the right to issue no refunds. If the season ended and they said let’s start in the fall, clubs would be on the hook for lots of money. Trust me when I tell you, winning lacrosse tournaments, your kid getting better in lacrosse, the club caring about your feelings, weighs very little in comparison to the club making money. The bottom line is this is a business, plain and simple.



Not disagreeing because it is a business but with some teams when the parents treat it the same as they are the CUSTOMERS and ask questions, want to try out for multiple teams, demand a product they paid for their kid some teams get an attitude like they want to astrocize a family or pin them as a trouble maker just for doing so
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I do enjoy the game, so yes you are correct. Point is the summer has been taken up by practices and weekly tournaments. This year = Beach,boating, and pool June through July.
FYI - There are other tournaments that are going to be announced with late July and early August dates.
Enjoy your Sunday


As a parent with a kid who does 3 sports this is the best thing ever. Not only do we get some weekends back but I think kids that go hard all year round in multiple sports could use this time off to let their bodies recover. stinks if your whole family life is geared around little johnny who only plays lacrosse but relax, it will be back next spring.


I agree with you 100%. This is the first year, as a family we are able to enjoy other warm weather activities we were forced to squeeze in during the lax season. It is unfortunate, many families have no other enjoyable/meaningful activities beyond their kid(s) lax program. Believe me, this year I don't miss leaving after work on Friday or early Saturday morning traveling out of state to stay in a hotel with a bunch of screaming out of control kids and intoxicated parents. Let alone going to a hot dusty lax field, eating a portion of a so called Italian hero prepared on incorrect Italian bread. But, next year it'll begin again.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can Hotels be made extremely low risk? Can restaurants be made low risk? Lets not even talk about porto potties!! It's more than the actual tournament that is at issue. I agree Let the kids play just do it locally!!


Life is risk. The degree of risk from youth lacrosse tournaments barely registers. If you are afraid, feel free to remain locked in your closet for the next year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a parent with a kid who does 3 sports this is the best thing ever. Not only do we get some weekends back but I think kids that go hard all year round in multiple sports could use this time off to let their bodies recover. stinks if your whole family life is geared around little johnny who only plays lacrosse but relax, it will be back next spring.


So your kid plays three sports and you are lecturing others on a "family life geared around little johnny".
My son's club offered a partial (1/3rd) refund or credit towards next season. No tryouts, team remains in tact. Books/Season closes 8/1 then the next calendar years begins. Totally happy with the arrangement. Hopefully we'll squeeze in a game or tournament before the curtain goes down. Coach began small group training (4 kids) two weeks ago. Director cares about his program, team and players and provided struggling parents with an option.
If folks prefer their other (family) activities to their kid's lacrosse tournaments, perhaps your kid shouldn't be playing travel club lacrosse. Just a thought.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a parent with a kid who does 3 sports this is the best thing ever. Not only do we get some weekends back but I think kids that go hard all year round in multiple sports could use this time off to let their bodies recover. stinks if your whole family life is geared around little johnny who only plays lacrosse but relax, it will be back next spring.


So your kid plays three sports and you are lecturing others on a "family life geared around little johnny".


Your interpreting it wrong. Family life geared around travel lacrosse. Thats the only sport that cuts into summer. Give me a partial refund and I will see you next fall. Kid can do his sports through school whenever they start up again. Time to relax and give the kids the much needed time off. I'm in no rush to head to sporting events with people spreading COVID...... the fake COVID of course.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your interpreting it wrong. Family life geared around travel lacrosse. Thats the only sport that cuts into summer. Give me a partial refund and I will see you next fall. Kid can do his sports through school whenever they start up again. Time to relax and give the kids the much needed time off. I'm in no rush to head to sporting events with people spreading COVID...... the fake COVID of course.


Not everyone needs or wants more "time off". Quite the opposite for many folks who have kids who would love to see teamates and play the sport they love.

If your family needs "time off", you should be doing that regardless of the decisions of clubs and tournament directors.
its about COVID...not about time off, refunds and bored parents.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your interpreting it wrong. Family life geared around travel lacrosse. Thats the only sport that cuts into summer. Give me a partial refund and I will see you next fall. Kid can do his sports through school whenever they start up again. Time to relax and give the kids the much needed time off. I'm in no rush to head to sporting events with people spreading COVID...... the fake COVID of course.


Not everyone needs or wants more "time off". Quite the opposite for many folks who have kids who would love to see teamates and play the sport they love.

If your family needs "time off", you should be doing that regardless of the decisions of clubs and tournament directors.


LAX is life dude!!!!!(bumper sticket, tshirt, tatoo)
Anyone have any info about the NY State Regional tournament? Tryout dates/location.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son's club offered a partial (1/3rd) refund or credit towards next season. No tryouts, team remains in tact. Books/Season closes 8/1 then the next calendar years begins. Totally happy with the arrangement. Hopefully we'll squeeze in a game or tournament before the curtain goes down. Coach began small group training (4 kids) two weeks ago. Director cares about his program, team and players and provided struggling parents with an option.


Sign m up that’s very fair.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have any info about the NY State Regional tournament? Tryout dates/location.....

This is the club lax refund section bozo.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have any info about the NY State Regional tournament? Tryout dates/location.....


COVID-19 Related Issues – Update #4 - Event Cancelled
(6/9/20)



Since its inception, the Long Island Lacrosse Showcase strives to deliver the premier recruiting event for the student-athletes of Nassau and Suffolk counties in the safest possible environment. As we stated from the beginning of this pandemic, the safety and well-being of the players, coaches, parents, and spectators would be our paramount concern in conducting this event. The recent decision to postpone the event to July would provide the opportunity conduct the event in such a manner.



However, as we formalized a July event using the guidance established by the CDC, US Lacrosse, and preliminary protocols from New York State, it has become clear that conducting competitive lacrosse events in the summer of 2020 is not possible. Therefore, we have made the decision to cancel the 2020 Long Island Lacrosse Showcase. We will be issuing full refunds to all registered players.



We appreciate your patience and understanding during this difficult spring. We hope that you and your families stay safe during the summer of 2020.
Arizona, North Carolina,California and Texas all announced spikes in Covid cases since they started the re-opening. This season is done folks
I agree, I was hoping for good news but there is no way youth sports should happen this summer and if a club decides to try and get a season in I truly hope officials step in and fine them severely. These lacrosse coaches for the most part are great at what they do but they are not doctors. States that re-opened are having spikes in Covid again, it's over and it should be until we get this controlled and cured. Our kids health should be all that matters and I would hope these organizations do what should be done. Families get your lacrosse sticks in your hands and enjoy family time, next season will be here sooner than you think and we can all be healthy and safe.
Also there has been non stop large mass protests. This without a doubt is contributing to new cases throughout the country.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have any info about the NY State Regional tournament? Tryout dates/location.....


COVID-19 Related Issues – Update #4 - Event Cancelled
(6/9/20)



Since its inception, the Long Island Lacrosse Showcase strives to deliver the premier recruiting event for the student-athletes of Nassau and Suffolk counties in the safest possible environment. As we stated from the beginning of this pandemic, the safety and well-being of the players, coaches, parents, and spectators would be our paramount concern in conducting this event. The recent decision to postpone the event to July would provide the opportunity conduct the event in such a manner.



However, as we formalized a July event using the guidance established by the CDC, US Lacrosse, and preliminary protocols from New York State, it has become clear that conducting competitive lacrosse events in the summer of 2020 is not possible. Therefore, we have made the decision to cancel the 2020 Long Island Lacrosse Showcase. We will be issuing full refunds to all registered players.



We appreciate your patience and understanding during this difficult spring. We hope that you and your families stay safe during the summer of 2020.



I think this is a different event
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Arizona, North Carolina,California and Texas all announced spikes in Covid cases since they started the re-opening. This season is done folks


Dining opens at 50% capacity indoor for MD as well as outdoor amusements including pools on June 12th and gyms June 19th. Many teams at different age levels have been out in different group sizes the past few weeks and started back to full team practices with distance. Not that MD has much to do with the lacrosse scene. Lacrosse games will be played there and Delaware this summer and I am thinking it is going to be an organizational decision if teams want to travel to play. That will determine the refunds

Folks from states such as NY, NJ, and CT must quarantine for 14 days upon entering other states. How in the world will Delaware allow 100's of people from NY, NJ and CT come and play a meaningless lax tournament? I feel your pain parents, the kids are driving you bananas, but there is nothing you can do.
If the summer starts in July and practice and tourneys resume. Then I’ll answer the question. No
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Arizona, North Carolina,California and Texas all announced spikes in Covid cases since they started the re-opening. This season is done folks


Dining opens at 50% capacity indoor for MD as well as outdoor amusements including pools on June 12th and gyms June 19th. Many teams at different age levels have been out in different group sizes the past few weeks and started back to full team practices with distance. Not that MD has much to do with the lacrosse scene. Lacrosse games will be played there and Delaware this summer and I am thinking it is going to be an organizational decision if teams want to travel to play. That will determine the refunds

Folks from states such as NY, NJ, and CT must quarantine for 14 days upon entering other states. How in the world will Delaware allow 100's of people from NY, NJ and CT come and play a meaningless lax tournament? I feel your pain parents, the kids are driving you bananas, but there is nothing you can do.


I'm not saying it's right or wrong. But here's how it happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Arizona, North Carolina,California and Texas all announced spikes in Covid cases since they started the re-opening. This season is done folks


Dining opens at 50% capacity indoor for MD as well as outdoor amusements including pools on June 12th and gyms June 19th. Many teams at different age levels have been out in different group sizes the past few weeks and started back to full team practices with distance. Not that MD has much to do with the lacrosse scene. Lacrosse games will be played there and Delaware this summer and I am thinking it is going to be an organizational decision if teams want to travel to play. That will determine the refunds

Folks from states such as NY, NJ, and CT must quarantine for 14 days upon entering other states. How in the world will Delaware allow 100's of people from NY, NJ and CT come and play a meaningless lax tournament? I feel your pain parents, the kids are driving you bananas, but there is nothing you can do.


I don't want to come off as a donk. But if you think people are actually continuing to follow quarantine rules then yes, there will be nothing until Spring 2021. In actual news. In MD and DE where these will be played I can promise as i walked into to to get a Gatorade with no mask on today at 7-11 and for the past several days, Lacrosse will be played. It will be an organizational decision. You are not quarantined if you go to MD or DE. That is delusional. By the times these tournaments happen it will be even longer gone. It will be a organizationally and team decision
these fools will force-feed their kids lax. And for what? The blind ambition of parents. Shaking my head. You know who you are parents. Wait til your kids figure out what you did . Shameful
Originally Posted by Anonymous
these fools will force-feed their kids lax. And for what? The blind ambition of parents. Shaking my head. You know who you are parents. Wait til your kids figure out what you did . Shameful


Has anyone looked over the practice conditions, precautions and waiver Igloo put into place for kids just to practice. If they (Igloo) thinks it's safe enough to practice why all this? I can understand signing a waiver for a broken arm, hand, etc. But not for COVID. Just send me my refund so I can move on, I didn't sign up for this when I paid.
That’s the whole point of discussion. Nobody wants to send refunds. It’s not just your refund. It’s every kid that plays for the club, every age group, boys and girls. They don’t care if you take the summer off. They don’t care if you move on. There is no loyalty, there is no please don’t leave we like you. They care about money, they care about not having to return money.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree, I was hoping for good news but there is no way youth sports should happen this summer and if a club decides to try and get a season in I truly hope officials step in and fine them severely. These lacrosse coaches for the most part are great at what they do but they are not doctors. States that re-opened are having spikes in Covid again, it's over and it should be until we get this controlled and cured. Our kids health should be all that matters and I would hope these organizations do what should be done. Families get your lacrosse sticks in your hands and enjoy family time, next season will be here sooner than you think and we can all be healthy and safe.


Enjoy the next year (who knows, maybe longer before a vaccine and/or cure) hiding in your house.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can understand signing a waiver for a broken arm, hand, etc. But not for COVID.


Why? This seems like the perfect situation for a club (or any organization) to ask for a waiver. No one really knows the risks perfectly.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree, I was hoping for good news but there is no way youth sports should happen this summer and if a club decides to try and get a season in I truly hope officials step in and fine them severely. These lacrosse coaches for the most part are great at what they do but they are not doctors. States that re-opened are having spikes in Covid again, it's over and it should be until we get this controlled and cured. Our kids health should be all that matters and I would hope these organizations do what should be done. Families get your lacrosse sticks in your hands and enjoy family time, next season will be here sooner than you think and we can all be healthy and safe.


Enjoy the next year (who knows, maybe longer before a vaccine and/or cure) hiding in your house.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can understand signing a waiver for a broken arm, hand, etc. But not for COVID.


Why? This seems like the perfect situation for a club (or any organization) to ask for a waiver. No one really knows the risks perfectly.

Perfect situation for the club/director, correct. But not a perfect situation for my family (a lot of so called "perfect" attached to this sport.) Feel sorry for some of you who didn't find any other activity you can enjoy with your kids outside of youth sports. Now many of you are at the mercy of a lax director allowing your kids to have fun and you to have some sort of reprieve from the daily chaos within your home. Oh well.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son's club offered a partial (1/3rd) refund or credit towards next season. No tryouts, team remains in tact. Books/Season closes 8/1 then the next calendar years begins. Totally happy with the arrangement. Hopefully we'll squeeze in a game or tournament before the curtain goes down. Coach began small group training (4 kids) two weeks ago. Director cares about his program, team and players and provided struggling parents with an option.


which club is offering 1/3 refund/credit?
Lots of doctors offices and other professional offices are having patients/clients sign waivers when walking in the door. Everyone is covering their butts because it would be virtually impossible to determine where one contacted the virus IF they get sick. Example: leave house get coffee, get gas, go to work, go to MD appointment, stop off at store on way home, take kid to practice. Get sick 2 days later: how in the world can one know where they came in contact with the virus? They cannot! So lax clubs, doctors, employees are having waivers signed to cover their butts, NOT because they think there is a high risk at what they do.
My kids are indifferent at this point. Riding bikes all day just enjoying being outside has pushed lacrosse to the back of their minds. Practices promised soon but they could care less. It seems to be the nutty parents that are holding out for tournaments, not the kids. Hopefully the season folds up soon and we can all take a few months to enjoy family time before the lacrosse madness starts up again.
If you polled the kids, IMHO, they would be fine with no tryouts and returning for next year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My kids are indifferent at this point. Riding bikes all day just enjoying being outside has pushed lacrosse to the back of their minds. Practices promised soon but they could care less. It seems to be the nutty parents that are holding out for tournaments, not the kids. Hopefully the season folds up soon and we can all take a few months to enjoy family time before the lacrosse madness starts up again.
If you polled the kids, IMHO, they would be fine with no tryouts and returning for next year.



Speak for your own kid..
My son asks every day if team practice has been scheduled yet..
Sounds more like you cant be bothered to drag your kid around to practice and have no interest in dealing with late summer tournaments.
We've been enjoying family time for the past three months and it's time to get on with our lives.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Perfect situation for the club/director, correct. But not a perfect situation for my family.


Then don't sign. Easy.

Sounds like club lacrosse was probably a bad decision for your family - long before Covid.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My kids are indifferent at this point. Riding bikes all day just enjoying being outside has pushed lacrosse to the back of their minds. Practices promised soon but they could care less. It seems to be the nutty parents that are holding out for tournaments, not the kids. Hopefully the season folds up soon and we can all take a few months to enjoy family time before the lacrosse madness starts up again.
If you polled the kids, IMHO, they would be fine with no tryouts and returning for next year.



Speak for your own kid..
My son asks every day if team practice has been scheduled yet..
Sounds more like you cant be bothered to drag your kid around to practice and have no interest in dealing with late summer tournaments.
We've been enjoying family time for the past three months and it's time to get on with our lives.


back yard lacrosse is the best way to become great. for those of you who watch lax on espn whenever they talk about a kids success it's always how hard they worked in the backyard, I've never heard any of them say that a great player is great because he played club ball for club x, y or z. just food for thought.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My kids are indifferent at this point. Riding bikes all day just enjoying being outside has pushed lacrosse to the back of their minds. Practices promised soon but they could care less. It seems to be the nutty parents that are holding out for tournaments, not the kids. Hopefully the season folds up soon and we can all take a few months to enjoy family time before the lacrosse madness starts up again.
If you polled the kids, IMHO, they would be fine with no tryouts and returning for next year.



Speak for your own kid..
My son asks every day if team practice has been scheduled yet..
Sounds more like you cant be bothered to drag your kid around to practice and have no interest in dealing with late summer tournaments.
We've been enjoying family time for the past three months and it's time to get on with our lives.


back yard lacrosse is the best way to become great. for those of you who watch lax on espn whenever they talk about a kids success it's always how hard they worked in the backyard, I've never heard any of them say that a great player is great because he played club ball for club x, y or z. just food for thought.



I will take some of column A and some of column B. My son and his friends are dying to play real games and can't wait to have club practice. If your kid is indifferent then I am sure he really does not like lacrosse. You may want to re-think what you are pushing him to do. Kids who love it are chomping at the bit to get a summer in. On the other hand, my son has been playing pick up games hoping fences to get to fields and mixing it up with a variety of kids from different grades, clubs, schools. These games have no coaches screaming at them, no parents yelling, and the kids are getting better for it. Pick up is where kids get better.
Sounds like you are doing a fine job as a parent keeping him isolated and out of harm's way...NOT!!! FOLD THE SEASON. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem
This season feels like a long baseball rain delay. Watching a baseball game after a long rain delay, almost the entire stadium leaves before play resumes. People want to go home and sleep. They will get the final score in the morning. My son loves lacrosse, my daughters love lacrosse, my wife and I played lacrosse. We are a die hard lacrosse family. I wanted the season to get started, my kids wanted this to get going. Now it just seems like most families want to bail for the summer. Field permits, groups being together, hotels, team zooms, practicing with no contact. I know this wouldn’t happen because clubs have everyone’s money, but it would be the vote of most families to start up in the fall. The kids can play lax on their own with a couple friends, ride bikes, swim, BBQs. Club sports will be back strong again, but trying to salvage the last couple months of this season I think is the wrong way to go.

Same here. We decided to pack it up and start again in the fall. With all the restrictions, waivers, etc don't feel it's worth the time.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This season feels like a long baseball rain delay. Watching a baseball game after a long rain delay, almost the entire stadium leaves before play resumes. People want to go home and sleep. They will get the final score in the morning. My son loves lacrosse, my daughters love lacrosse, my wife and I played lacrosse. We are a die hard lacrosse family. I wanted the season to get started, my kids wanted this to get going. Now it just seems like most families want to bail for the summer. Field permits, groups being together, hotels, team zooms, practicing with no contact. I know this wouldn’t happen because clubs have everyone’s money, but it would be the vote of most families to start up in the fall. The kids can play lax on their own with a couple friends, ride bikes, swim, BBQs. Club sports will be back strong again, but trying to salvage the last couple months of this season I think is the wrong way to go.

Same here. We decided to pack it up and start again in the fall. With all the restrictions, waivers, etc don't feel it's worth the time.


We shifted our plans and still plan to have our summer with lax but the lax will be local which is a very nice break from having to drive up and down the coast. There is room for family and sports. My son wants to play,. He misses his friends, wont be able to go to camp and can only spend so much time biking around, shooting hoops, swimming and gaming (Id rather he practice in the heat than play fortnite.) What we have no desire for is a 8 week season in July>August. Give us some practices for conditioning and skills work. 3-4 local 1 day tournaments and call it a summer. NLF in August in UMASS? Going to take a hard pass on that one.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like you are doing a fine job as a parent keeping him isolated and out of harm's way...NOT!!! FOLD THE SEASON. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem

You left wing fascist Democrat.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like you are doing a fine job as a parent keeping him isolated and out of harm's way...NOT!!! FOLD THE SEASON. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem

You left wing fascist Democrat.


Must be terrible to live in fear, like you do.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like you are doing a fine job as a parent keeping him isolated and out of harm's way...NOT!!! FOLD THE SEASON. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem

You left wing fascist Democrat.

Either way, Im not a Dr so Im going to follow the rules and if they say lacrosse can be played we will be there....and are you seriously telling me that you have kept your 14 year old isolated at this point? Isolation for kids in our area broke a few weeks back. Mental health needs to be considered so yes, we have done a nice job of educating our kids, quarantining and ensuring they do everything they can to minimize risk but yes, they are out and about now.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like you are doing a fine job as a parent keeping him isolated and out of harm's way...NOT!!! FOLD THE SEASON. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem



Is this sarcasm? Hard to tell these days..
Igloo is practicing. When is everyone else?
http://igloolax.com/newsite/
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo is practicing. When is everyone else?
http://igloolax.com/newsite/


They sent an email out to all players. It's only certain ages that are starting practices tomorrow. It also sounds like they are trying to pass off Zoom meetings as an actual practice when we were in lock down. My sons zoom meetings were 20min long each week. They were good to keep the kids in contact with their teammates, but by no means was it any replacement to a practice. They still have no mention of refunds or how they are going to compensate for the 3 months of missed practices.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo is practicing. When is everyone else?
http://igloolax.com/newsite/


They sent an email out to all players. It's only certain ages that are starting practices tomorrow. It also sounds like they are trying to pass off Zoom meetings as an actual practice when we were in lock down. My sons zoom meetings were 20min long each week. They were good to keep the kids in contact with their teammates, but by no means was it any replacement to a practice. They still have no mention of refunds or how they are going to compensate for the 3 months of missed practices
The way Cuomo was talking about low risk sports being ok in stage 3 this week in upstate regions we would be lucky to play lax this fall on long island. Lax is considered high risk. Dont ask me why it is High risk and hocket, soccer and bball is medium risk
You people are going to ruin the next year of your life for a month of lacrosse. If anyone thinks people are going to be wearing masks or social distancing at these events you are fooling yourself. These events are going to be potential super spreader events and are being held less than a month from school starting. This will put HS sports in serious jeopardy. Any governor letting hundreds of families from different states into their state for a lacrosse tournament is crazy. Not because of the tournament per say, it’s all that goes along with it...hotels, restaurants, sweaty and yelling people. 22 states are seeing a spike in Covid..why...large gatherings, no face masks and not social distancing. Covid is here with no cure or vaccine, can’t just wish it away. It is only going to prolong the current situation.
The little secret clubs are keeping from you is that there will be no coaches at any of these tournaments. The recruiting dead period as been extended until July 31 by the NCAA which does not allow a college coach to watch/evaluate a player in person. Then there is a quiet period from 8/6-8/12 which coaches still can not watch/evaluate a player in person. Then there is another dead period from 8/13-8/31. The only days coaches are able to be at a tournament are 8/1-8/5 this season. Good luck!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The little secret clubs are keeping from you is that there will be no coaches at any of these tournaments. The recruiting dead period as been extended until July 31 by the NCAA which does not allow a college coach to watch/evaluate a player in person. Then there is a quiet period from 8/6-8/12 which coaches still can not watch/evaluate a player in person. Then there is another dead period from 8/13-8/31. The only days coaches are able to be at a tournament are 8/1-8/5 this season. Good luck!


Kids have been playing since first grade without college coaches attending...
The virus can’t be any worse then a 91 parent!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The virus can’t be any worse then a 91 parent!


Maybe a Rebel parent. But a 91 parent is a definite top two in the virus category.
Our family is anxious to get to Delaware. Just made my hotel reservations for the weekend. My Kid has been receiving privates in our back yard ever since the shut down. Just in case middle school starts up again next spring he'll be ready for the team. Lets get it on!
Like protests
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You people are going to ruin the next year of your life for a month of lacrosse. If anyone thinks people are going to be wearing masks or social distancing at these events you are fooling yourself. These events are going to be potential super spreader events and are being held less than a month from school starting. This will put HS sports in serious jeopardy. Any governor letting hundreds of families from different states into their state for a lacrosse tournament is crazy. Not because of the tournament per say, it’s all that goes along with it...hotels, restaurants, sweaty and yelling people. 22 states are seeing a spike in Covid..why...large gatherings, no face masks and not social distancing. Covid is here with no cure or vaccine, can’t just wish it away. It is only going to prolong the current situation.


Got Dr Fauci ! Now go back to your government feeding trough and collect your $, while the rest of us go about living.
I thought this website was about lacrosse not fake news, if I wanted that I would turn on CNN!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You people are going to ruin the next year of your life for a month of lacrosse. If anyone thinks people are going to be wearing masks or social distancing at these events you are fooling yourself. These events are going to be potential super spreader events and are being held less than a month from school starting. This will put HS sports in serious jeopardy. Any governor letting hundreds of families from different states into their state for a lacrosse tournament is crazy. Not because of the tournament per say, it’s all that goes along with it...hotels, restaurants, sweaty and yelling people. 22 states are seeing a spike in Covid..why...large gatherings, no face masks and not social distancing. Covid is here with no cure or vaccine, can’t just wish it away. It is only going to prolong the current situation.


Got Dr Fauci ! Now go back to your government feeding trough and collect your $, while the rest of us go about living.

I live for youth lacrosse. I was too small, not very athletic growing up. So I like to watch/coach my son play the several sports I pushed him towards when he was young. So I understand why many parents want to get back out there and watch their kids play lax. What else is there to do at this time of the year. Back yard pool, swing set, latest hip bicycle with the rainbow spokes, grew old fast. I'll rather spend my time and money going to practices and traveling to tournaments on the weekends. It's tough being stuck with more than two kids in the house.
These posts ae hilarious. Lets stay on Point: There are no refunds being issued. Enjoy your Zoom meetings and your Cyber Lacrosse because thats all your going to get. There is no endorsement of a return to youth sports, there are no definite tournaments and there are certainly no refunds. As a matter of fact, get your checkbooks ready for next fall....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These posts ae hilarious. Lets stay on Point: There are no refunds being issued. Enjoy your Zoom meetings and your Cyber Lacrosse because thats all your going to get. There is no endorsement of a return to youth sports, there are no definite tournaments and there are certainly no refunds. As a matter of fact, get your checkbooks ready for next fall....


One hour practice, 10 people max socially distant. Takes me 1 hour round trip driving to and from practice for an hour worth of drills for 10 kids. So my kid is actually getting a good 20 minutes worth of drills after the coaches speech? Not worth the time... I'll wait to see what the fall has in store.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These posts ae hilarious. Lets stay on Point: There are no refunds being issued. Enjoy your Zoom meetings and your Cyber Lacrosse because thats all your going to get. There is no endorsement of a return to youth sports, there are no definite tournaments and there are certainly no refunds. As a matter of fact, get your checkbooks ready for next fall....


One hour practice, 10 people max socially distant. Takes me 1 hour round trip driving to and from practice for an hour worth of drills for 10 kids. So my kid is actually getting a good 20 minutes worth of drills after the coaches speech? Not worth the time... I'll wait to see what the fall has in store.


Lots of tournaments happening now, look around.. DE is open and MD is open in August. Head down 95 and get into the action.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These posts ae hilarious. Lets stay on Point: There are no refunds being issued. Enjoy your Zoom meetings and your Cyber Lacrosse because thats all your going to get. There is no endorsement of a return to youth sports, there are no definite tournaments and there are certainly no refunds. As a matter of fact, get your checkbooks ready for next fall....


One hour practice, 10 people max socially distant. Takes me 1 hour round trip driving to and from practice for an hour worth of drills for 10 kids. So my kid is actually getting a good 20 minutes worth of drills after the coaches speech? Not worth the time... I'll wait to see what the fall has in store.


Lots of tournaments happening now, look around.. DE is open and MD is open in August. Head down 95 and get into the action.


I'm ready. Like someone said on this post, this is all our family looks forward to in the summer. It's all lax or nothing.
Not sure how things are really open in Delaware?

de.gov/coronavirus
Division of Public Health Guidance on Youth Sports
♦ Tournaments, or a series of games, matches or other activities where individual teams have more than one game with more than one team, are not allowed at this time.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure how things are really open in Delaware?

de.gov/coronavirus
Division of Public Health Guidance on Youth Sports
♦ Tournaments, or a series of games, matches or other activities where individual teams have more than one game with more than one team, are not allowed at this time.


There are tournaments scheduled by several clubs in DE ? Maybe DE has a start date for sports like MD.
MD. from Governor
"All youth sports gatherings and events may resume sporting and other customary
operations as of 5:00 P.M. on June 12, 2020 for outdoor activities and 5:00 P.M. on
June 19, 2020 for indoor activities. Parents and family may spectate at youth sports
gatherings with appropriate social distancing"
So once we get started I should have my 11 yr old with a helmet, face shield, mask, mouth piece, what else? Heat stroke crash kit? IV kit? He's a tuff kid takes after his mother
Don’t play then. Who cares. If you don’t want your kids to play then don’t. Go to the beach
How are the Delaware lax parents going to feel about NY / NJ contagion invading their state? The Governor may close the gates. But then again , if they are 1/2 as nuts as the LI parents then there is a shot. They can have the team mom bring the respirators..... sheesh....stay home or at least stay local.
NLF decided to host youth teams at the event at Kirkwood, DE, July 20-22nd at the 2026, 2025 and 2024 age
This is what these greedy club owners fail to inform you of;
https://coronavirus.delaware.gov/wp...e-and-Suggested-Guidelines-6.12.2020.pdf
Waste of time traveling 4-5 hours, 8-10 round trip in a day for something like this.
I just received something about the Delaware tournament, but didn't receive Delaware state guidelines regarding sporting event tournaments. Family will pass on this one.
When you say our family will pass on this one or that one. My question is, what do you tell your kids? This is a team sport. This isn’t golf. This isn’t tennis. My kids are a very big part of their team, plus my son plays goalie. Is that the right message to give the kids. Is this the right thing to do to their teammates. The going gets tough, bail. There will be plenty of down time for the beach. Plenty of time to ride bikes. I personally wish we could postpone the season and start again in the fall. I’m just a parent, nobody gives a garbage about my opinion, I understand that. My view is, whatever their teams do, that’s what my kids will do. Obviously if one of them had an underlying health issue, I’d explain to my child that there is no choice in this decision. For the vast majority of people, like my family, life is starting to come back. If someone chooses to wait for the perfect, non Covid scenario, that’s their right, however this could be around for a very, very long time.
Hey [ChillLaxin], you tell them there is a pandemic going on that is killing people and the risks do not outweigh the rewards for kiddie lax. You further tell them that if you were to subject them to an unsafe environment you would not be acting in their best interests and are failing them as a parent. The right thing to do for teammates is to take into into consideration their health and safety too. But sheep will be sheep. If the team said we are putting all of the kids into an unknown situation that may result in physical harm, and we cannot guarantee it will not...would you do it? Oh wait.....you are...Baaaaaaahhhhhh!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey [ChillLaxin], you tell them there is a pandemic going on that is killing people and the risks do not outweigh the rewards for kiddie lax. You further tell them that if you were to subject them to an unsafe environment you would not be acting in their best interests and are failing them as a parent. The right thing to do for teammates is to take into into consideration their health and safety too. But sheep will be sheep. If the team said we are putting all of the kids into an unknown situation that may result in physical harm, and we cannot guarantee it will not...would you do it? Oh wait.....you are...Baaaaaaahhhhhh!


Actually the sheep mentality is with you. If you had been an original pioneer in this country , you would have given up and gone back to England,. Glad we actually had some people with backbone who persevered .

Not one person in MD has died from corona under 30. Let them play. The rest of us will be using personal responsibility and common sense and giving people space along with doing what we feel is appropriate. If you have heath issues, dont come.

Are you staying indoors under a vaccine is found?? Cause nothing will be different as of today, tomorrow or when ever until vaccine is found. I am not hiding like some rat in the walls until then. Time to use personal responsibility, common sense and get on with life.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey [ChillLaxin], you tell them there is a pandemic going on that is killing people and the risks do not outweigh the rewards for kiddie lax. You further tell them that if you were to subject them to an unsafe environment you would not be acting in their best interests and are failing them as a parent. The right thing to do for teammates is to take into into consideration their health and safety too. But sheep will be sheep. If the team said we are putting all of the kids into an unknown situation that may result in physical harm, and we cannot guarantee it will not...would you do it? Oh wait.....you are...Baaaaaaahhhhhh!


I clicked on the link that was posted about Delaware youth sports. Let me tell you, no way will we attend. It's a modified version of lacrosse. No face-offs, coin flip. On top of that, where are we going to stay? I forgot, it's a one day tournament in Delaware during the week. Give me a break.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When you say our family will pass on this one or that one. My question is, what do you tell your kids? This is a team sport. This isn’t golf. This isn’t tennis. My kids are a very big part of their team, plus my son plays goalie. Is that the right message to give the kids. Is this the right thing to do to their teammates. The going gets tough, bail. There will be plenty of down time for the beach. Plenty of time to ride bikes. I personally wish we could postpone the season and start again in the fall. I’m just a parent, nobody gives a garbage about my opinion, I understand that. My view is, whatever their teams do, that’s what my kids will do. Obviously if one of them had an underlying health issue, I’d explain to my child that there is no choice in this decision. For the vast majority of people, like my family, life is starting to come back. If someone chooses to wait for the perfect, non Covid scenario, that’s their right, however this could be around for a very, very long time.


This is not lacrosse

BOY’S LACROSSE
• Alternate Faceoff Procedures
1.1 Coin Toss: Before the start of play, the “official” will call one player from each team and conduct a coin toss. The winner of the coin toss will start the competition with possession of the ball at the center spot. The lost of the coin toss will have the first alternating possession.
1.2 Positioning of Players and Starting Play: The team that wins the coin toss will start with the ball in their offensive half of the field, near the center spot, with a free clear. All other players should be at least five yards from the player with the ball.
1.3 Post-Goal: The goalkeeper or official removes the ball from the goal, and the team that was scored on will start with possession in the crease or along the goal line extended. No restart will take place if any player is within 5 yards of the ball carrier. When the whistle is blown by the official, play will resume.
1.4 Starting a New Quarter/Half: The team that loses the coin toss at the start of the game will have possession to start the second half. No player should be within 5 yards of the ball carrier.
• Loose-Ball Play: When a loose ball is on the ground and cannot be quickly picked up because a group of players are tied up in a scrum, the official can end play early at their discretion (typically four or more seconds ) and award the ball via alternate possession rule.
• Procedures for Loose-Ball Technical Fouls: When a loose-ball violation has been committed, the offended team can receive a quick play-on when an official visually and verbally signals “play-on.” If the offended team cannot quickly gain possession of the loose ball, the play-on must be ended immediately. In general, if it is unclear whether the offended team will quickly gain possession of the ball, play should be stopped, and the ball awarded to the team entitled to possession.
Are you really saying no one over 30 deserves to live? “Let them play” they will live, but if you’re over 30, who cares.
If that’s what you got out of that post, take a reading comprehension class.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When you say our family will pass on this one or that one. My question is, what do you tell your kids? This is a team sport. This isn’t golf. This isn’t tennis. My kids are a very big part of their team, plus my son plays goalie. Is that the right message to give the kids. Is this the right thing to do to their teammates. The going gets tough, bail. There will be plenty of down time for the beach. Plenty of time to ride bikes. I personally wish we could postpone the season and start again in the fall. I’m just a parent, nobody gives a garbage about my opinion, I understand that. My view is, whatever their teams do, that’s what my kids will do. Obviously if one of them had an underlying health issue, I’d explain to my child that there is no choice in this decision. For the vast majority of people, like my family, life is starting to come back. If someone chooses to wait for the perfect, non Covid scenario, that’s their right, however this could be around for a very, very long time.


So you teach your son to follow the crowd and not think for himself. I'm not saying under normal conditions not to do what's best for the team. Realize, these aren't normal conditions, and many of the club owners are signing their teams up for a highly modified form of lacrosse. The only reason is to not refund money for lost practice time and tournaments. Club owners can give a hill of beans about our kids! Lastly, for teams traveling out of state, why wasn't that particular states guidelines provided to the parents? So I had to come on this forum for information that should have been provided by the club?
Based on this order effective tomorrow, I don't see how lax tournaments in MD (at least Montgomery County) can be played anytime soon.

https://montgomerycountymd.gov/exec/Resources/Files/orders/082-20.pdf

Large Gatherings. Gatherings of more than 50 people continue to be prohibited at all locations and venues, including but not limited to parades, festivals, conventions, and fundraisers. Planned large gatherings and events must be canceled or postponed until after termination of the state of emergency and the proclamation of the catastrophic health emergency has been rescinded.

Outdoor Youth Sports. Any business providing skill-building drills and team-based practice in Montgomery County for individuals under the age of 18 must comply with MDH’s Interim Guidance for Limited Outdoor Youth Sports dated May 27, 2020, and any subsequent amendments thereto.

That's why I don't trust any of these clubs when they ask you to commit to tournaments at this juncture. Someone provided additional information clubs failed to pass along to us, but they tell us lax is up and running in other states.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Based on this order effective tomorrow, I don't see how lax tournaments in MD (at least Montgomery County) can be played anytime soon.

https://montgomerycountymd.gov/exec/Resources/Files/orders/082-20.pdf

Large Gatherings. Gatherings of more than 50 people continue to be prohibited at all locations and venues, including but not limited to parades, festivals, conventions, and fundraisers. Planned large gatherings and events must be canceled or postponed until after termination of the state of emergency and the proclamation of the catastrophic health emergency has been rescinded.

Outdoor Youth Sports. Any business providing skill-building drills and team-based practice in Montgomery County for individuals under the age of 18 must comply with MDH’s Interim Guidance for Limited Outdoor Youth Sports dated May 27, 2020, and any subsequent amendments thereto.

That's why I don't trust any of these clubs when they ask you to commit to tournaments at this juncture. Someone provided additional information clubs failed to pass along to us, but they tell us lax is up and running in other states.


Here is another link re sports in Delaware where it appears every tournament is trying to be held. Just dont see it with these conditions and cases on the rise. Also look under lacrosse. For me that's not lacrosse and it appears to be judgment calls on what is gathering near a ball and contact etc . . . Even if everyone wanted to play it will basically be no contact lax.

https://coronavirus.delaware.gov/wp...e-and-Suggested-Guidelines-6.12.2020.pdf

COMPETITIONS AND TOURNAMENTS♦ Competitions between two (2) teams are permitted.♦ Tournaments, or a series of games, matches or other activities where individual teams have more than one game with more than one team, are not allowed at this time. ♦ Out-of-state competitions should be avoided. If a team chooses to travel to an out-of-state competition, the team should follow social distancing and hygiene requirements in this document along with any applicable requirements set out by the state to which they are traveling.♦ Hosting competitions with out-of-state participants is discouraged at this time. If the organization chooses to host one, out-of-state participants must adhere to the guidelines in this document.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Based on this order effective tomorrow, I don't see how lax tournaments in MD (at least Montgomery County) can be played anytime soon.

https://montgomerycountymd.gov/exec/Resources/Files/orders/082-20.pdf

Large Gatherings. Gatherings of more than 50 people continue to be prohibited at all locations and venues, including but not limited to parades, festivals, conventions, and fundraisers. Planned large gatherings and events must be canceled or postponed until after termination of the state of emergency and the proclamation of the catastrophic health emergency has been rescinded.

Outdoor Youth Sports. Any business providing skill-building drills and team-based practice in Montgomery County for individuals under the age of 18 must comply with MDH’s Interim Guidance for Limited Outdoor Youth Sports dated May 27, 2020, and any subsequent amendments thereto.

That's why I don't trust any of these clubs when they ask you to commit to tournaments at this juncture. Someone provided additional information clubs failed to pass along to us, but they tell us lax is up and running in other states.


Here is another link re sports in Delaware where it appears every tournament is trying to be held. Just dont see it with these conditions and cases on the rise. Also look under lacrosse. For me that's not lacrosse and it appears to be judgment calls on what is gathering near a ball and contact etc . . . Even if everyone wanted to play it will basically be no contact lax.

https://coronavirus.delaware.gov/wp...e-and-Suggested-Guidelines-6.12.2020.pdf

COMPETITIONS AND TOURNAMENTS♦ Competitions between two (2) teams are permitted.♦ Tournaments, or a series of games, matches or other activities where individual teams have more than one game with more than one team, are not allowed at this time. ♦ Out-of-state competitions should be avoided. If a team chooses to travel to an out-of-state competition, the team should follow social distancing and hygiene requirements in this document along with any applicable requirements set out by the state to which they are traveling.♦ Hosting competitions with out-of-state participants is discouraged at this time. If the organization chooses to host one, out-of-state participants must adhere to the guidelines in this document.


FLG is organizing a tournament in Delaware next month. They figured, if teams lock in before people found out they were traveling to participate in a tournament with highly modified rules, without contact they could secure a decent payday. Sounds like a bait and switch.
I have a older son who plays. I paid for LACROSSE. I didn't pay for a modified form of the game, without contact, no face-off, wearing face mask (in the middle of July), 5 yards away from the opposing player. SIMPLE. If the club can't honor this, I want a refund. Better yet, the 2 or 3 zoom sessions didn't even cover the modified form of the game, so what are we doing here... Next they will have you purchase the face mask at Lacrosse Unlimited in order to participate. Club owners; go skip a rope!
There is not a person in the world who doesn’t want a refund. Who do you know that would say no thanks, I’m good, no refund for me. I don’t know anybody that would say that, I wouldn’t say that. I’d love a check for a couple grand right now. The fact is, it’s not happening. You will get zooms, modified games, modified practices, scrimmages etc. No refunds will be coming. Stamp your feet all you want. Clubs don’t care if you stay or leave. It’s a revolving door. If your lucky there will be some credit for next season.

You hit the nail square on the head; Clubs don't care...
I don’t want a refund. More importantly, I don’t want to waste my time and energy thinking about a tournament that won’t happen or will be so weird that it will turn my girls off to playing lax. Like many people have been telling me over the years, the clubs and tournaments are a big money grabs. This year it is very obvious and sickening they are willing to risk player and parents well-being to make a few bucks.
So igloo sends out an email that after one practice since March, that we can not have anymore until at least the week of 7/6. They still have tryouts scheduled for July for $150, so let’s try to cram the whole season down these poor boys neck in 4 weeks just to justify tuition. What a joke, when will any club do the right thing?
Called it like it is. Thank you. There are reasonable people still out there
Off topic now . Should travel issue partial refund ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So igloo sends out an email that after one practice since March, that we can not have anymore until at least the week of 7/6. They still have tryouts scheduled for July for $150, so let’s try to cram the whole season down these poor boys neck in 4 weeks just to justify tuition. What a joke, when will any club do the right thing?


Out of control!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So igloo sends out an email that after one practice since March, that we can not have anymore until at least the week of 7/6. They still have tryouts scheduled for July for $150, so let’s try to cram the whole season down these poor boys neck in 4 weeks just to justify tuition. What a joke, when will any club do the right thing?


Out of control!


AA is a joke. He'll rip you off at any cost. The almighty gets the heir to Providence. I'd think for all the hype and high club cost every year that he'd be able to get the kids into Duke.
The 2020 lacrosse window is almost completely closed. The right thing would be to send an email out. This is the exact email I would send if I was in charge of a club sports team. This is fair to the clubs. This is fair to the parents. It’s not an exact science. No need to be a poindexter and start whipping out calculators.


Families, due to the unforeseen circumstances we are going through, hopefully we can start up again in Sept. We will be issuing refunds for 1/3 of the season OR a 50% credit for next season.for kids who wish to remain on our club. Make sure the kids keep the sticks in their hands to stay sharp. Stay safe, enjoy your summer.

In my opinion, the club that does this will be applauded and eventually rewarded for doing the honorable thing. This is what I would do. Businesses always go through tough times once in awhile. This is a once in a lifetime situation. Club sports is a business. Avoiding a business hit at this time is unavoidable. Jumping through hoops like this to try and keep this going is looking ridiculous. Live to fight another day.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2020 lacrosse window is almost completely closed. The right thing would be to send an email out. This is the exact email I would send if I was in charge of a club sports team. This is fair to the clubs. This is fair to the parents. It’s not an exact science. No need to be a poindexter and start whipping out calculators.


Families, due to the unforeseen circumstances we are going through, hopefully we can start up again in Sept. We will be issuing refunds for 1/3 of the season OR a 50% credit for next season.for kids who wish to remain on our club. Make sure the kids keep the sticks in their hands to stay sharp. Stay safe, enjoy your summer.

In my opinion, the club that does this will be applauded and eventually rewarded for doing the honorable thing. This is what I would do. Businesses always go through tough times once in awhile. This is a once in a lifetime situation. Club sports is a business. Avoiding a business hit at this time is unavoidable. Jumping through hoops like this to try and keep this going is looking ridiculous. Live to fight another day.



Agreed!!! All our club has done is say they're "working on it". What that actually means is that they are scrambling for a way to provide the service so they won't have to refund. We will start pracing next week but in small groups without contact. We can do that ourselves, no need to travel all over the place for that. Almost as bad as these desperate college grads offering online "virtual" clinics! Is this for real? Any one that dense, I have some snakeoil to sell you too. Another observation is that clubs are trading top notch recruiting tournaments for lame local "playdates" and think we don't know the difference! Please stop and just give us our money back!!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2020 lacrosse window is almost completely closed. The right thing would be to send an email out. This is the exact email I would send if I was in charge of a club sports team. This is fair to the clubs. This is fair to the parents. It’s not an exact science. No need to be a poindexter and start whipping out calculators.


Families, due to the unforeseen circumstances we are going through, hopefully we can start up again in Sept. We will be issuing refunds for 1/3 of the season OR a 50% credit for next season.for kids who wish to remain on our club. Make sure the kids keep the sticks in their hands to stay sharp. Stay safe, enjoy your summer.

In my opinion, the club that does this will be applauded and eventually rewarded for doing the honorable thing. This is what I would do. Businesses always go through tough times once in awhile. This is a once in a lifetime situation. Club sports is a business. Avoiding a business hit at this time is unavoidable. Jumping through hoops like this to try and keep this going is looking ridiculous. Live to fight another day.



Agreed!!! All our club has done is say they're "working on it". What that actually means is that they are scrambling for a way to provide the service so they won't have to refund. We will start pracing next week but in small groups without contact. We can do that ourselves, no need to travel all over the place for that. Almost as bad as these desperate college grads offering online "virtual" clinics! Is this for real? Any one that dense, I have some snakeoil to sell you too. Another observation is that clubs are trading top notch recruiting tournaments for lame local "playdates" and think we don't know the difference! Please stop and just give us our money back!!!!!

Our club is offering the same. Then they want to plan a tournament in Delaware, coin flip, no contact, stay 5 yards away from the next player. Also, parents don your mask while watching, mid July in 90+ degree heat. No thank you.
So what do you cheery gentlemen think of the DE Sports Complex? 12 turf fields, many of which have lights for night games! I am so looking forward to an August tournament there!

... oh, wait. I am so irresponsible. Having 20 kids in helmets, face masks, mouthpieces, gloves, playing in fresh air and sunlight, with tons of UV rays, this is a major risk. As opposed to tens of thousands of adults packed closely together with no masks on... because they are protesting a good cause. (You can substitute the Republican Convention for the protestors, if that makes you feel better! This is apolitical!)

Bottom line is this. The curve was flattened, which we were told was the goal when this all started. There were projections that 40% or more of the country would eventually get it, so the strategy was to at least slow it down so that the hospitals weren’t overrun like they were in Italy. This was already accomplished, especially for New Yorkers. Stopping boys lacrosse will have virtually zero effect on the spread of COVID-19. Look at the WHO transmission data for youths..

If people want to stay home, then do it. If people want to RESPONSIBLY partake in kids sports tournaments, then they can do it. This is freaking America. If you are too big a IAmInSecure to wear a face cover in in 90 degree weather, then stay home. Who cares about face offs..

Okay, have a great time...

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what do you cheery gentlemen think of the DE Sports Complex? 12 turf fields, many of which have lights for night games! I am so looking forward to an August tournament there!

... oh, wait. I am so irresponsible. Having 20 kids in helmets, face masks, mouthpieces, gloves, playing in fresh air and sunlight, with tons of UV rays, this is a major risk. As opposed to tens of thousands of adults packed closely together with no masks on... because they are protesting a good cause. (You can substitute the Republican Convention for the protestors, if that makes you feel better! This is apolitical!)

Bottom line is this. The curve was flattened, which we were told was the goal when this all started. There were projections that 40% or more of the country would eventually get it, so the strategy was to at least slow it down so that the hospitals weren’t overrun like they were in Italy. This was already accomplished, especially for New Yorkers. Stopping boys lacrosse will have virtually zero effect on the spread of COVID-19. Look at the WHO transmission data for youths..

If people want to stay home, then do it. If people want to RESPONSIBLY partake in kids sports tournaments, then they can do it. This is freaking America. If you are too big a IAmInSecure to wear a face cover in in 90 degree weather, then stay home. Who cares about face offs..

Okay, have a great time...




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All over the news today.LSU football and Clemson football. Several players tested positive for Covid. The teams are quarantining now. Good chance there may not be football in the fall. Youth sports is supposed to be a happy, fun, enjoyable atmosphere. To play or try to play in this environment just feels wrong.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what do you cheery gentlemen think of the DE Sports Complex? 12 turf fields, many of which have lights for night games! I am so looking forward to an August tournament there!

... oh, wait. I am so irresponsible. Having 20 kids in helmets, face masks, mouthpieces, gloves, playing in fresh air and sunlight, with tons of UV rays, this is a major risk. As opposed to tens of thousands of adults packed closely together with no masks on... because they are protesting a good cause. (You can substitute the Republican Convention for the protestors, if that makes you feel better! This is apolitical!)

Bottom line is this. The curve was flattened, which we were told was the goal when this all started. There were projections that 40% or more of the country would eventually get it, so the strategy was to at least slow it down so that the hospitals weren’t overrun like they were in Italy. This was already accomplished, especially for New Yorkers. Stopping boys lacrosse will have virtually zero effect on the spread of COVID-19. Look at the WHO transmission data for youths..

If people want to stay home, then do it. If people want to RESPONSIBLY partake in kids sports tournaments, then they can do it. This is freaking America. If you are too big a IAmInSecure to wear a face cover in in 90 degree weather, then stay home. Who cares about face offs..

Okay, have a great time...




Ok, so give us a choice. I’ll take the refund. I am not interested in my kid partaking in a sub par tournament. Waste of time!
If you don't want your kids to play then don't, they don't have to play! With the modified rules it's kinda like playing a scrimmage anyway and with not having a faceoff the game will go quicker and the kids will get more playing time. Stay home hiding in the corner with your Botox face and your husbands growth hormone arms and his spindly legs,haha!

You know nothing about the game, most importantly your own life. Pathetic! Maybe your kid is at a point where you will drive 3+ hours for him to squeeze in a days scrimmage. Not mine.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what do you cheery gentlemen think of the DE Sports Complex? 12 turf fields, many of which have lights for night games! I am so looking forward to an August tournament there!

... oh, wait. I am so irresponsible. Having 20 kids in helmets, face masks, mouthpieces, gloves, playing in fresh air and sunlight, with tons of UV rays, this is a major risk. As opposed to tens of thousands of adults packed closely together with no masks on... because they are protesting a good cause. (You can substitute the Republican Convention for the protestors, if that makes you feel better! This is apolitical!)

Bottom line is this. The curve was flattened, which we were told was the goal when this all started. There were projections that 40% or more of the country would eventually get it, so the strategy was to at least slow it down so that the hospitals weren’t overrun like they were in Italy. This was already accomplished, especially for New Yorkers. Stopping boys lacrosse will have virtually zero effect on the spread of COVID-19. Look at the WHO transmission data for youths..

If people want to stay home, then do it. If people want to RESPONSIBLY partake in kids sports tournaments, then they can do it. This is freaking America. If you are too big a IAmInSecure to wear a face cover in in 90 degree weather, then stay home. Who cares about face offs..

Okay, have a great time...



Why would I drive to Delaware when coaches can’t recruit? The only reason these tournaments are still being held is so clubs can keep their money. Wake up!! And what about the FOGOs? Do they get refunds? Big mess!!
There is no Delaware..There is no Maryland.... There is no refund. Lax on crazy lax parents!
Do you guys have to wear face masks outdoors?

Always. Even while driving. Wear it while in bed with the wife also.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what do you cheery gentlemen think of the DE Sports Complex? 12 turf fields, many of which have lights for night games! I am so looking forward to an August tournament there!

... oh, wait. I am so irresponsible. Having 20 kids in helmets, face masks, mouthpieces, gloves, playing in fresh air and sunlight, with tons of UV rays, this is a major risk. As opposed to tens of thousands of adults packed closely together with no masks on... because they are protesting a good cause. (You can substitute the Republican Convention for the protestors, if that makes you feel better! This is apolitical!)

Bottom line is this. The curve was flattened, which we were told was the goal when this all started. There were projections that 40% or more of the country would eventually get it, so the strategy was to at least slow it down so that the hospitals weren’t overrun like they were in Italy. This was already accomplished, especially for New Yorkers. Stopping boys lacrosse will have virtually zero effect on the spread of COVID-19. Look at the WHO transmission data for youths..

If people want to stay home, then do it. If people want to RESPONSIBLY partake in kids sports tournaments, then they can do it. This is freaking America. If you are too big a IAmInSecure to wear a face cover in in 90 degree weather, then stay home. Who cares about face offs..

Okay, have a great time...



Why would I drive to Delaware when coaches can’t recruit? The only reason these tournaments are still being held is so clubs can keep their money. Wake up!! And what about the FOGOs? Do they get refunds? Big mess!!




so wait, based on this logic - why bother playing sports unless there is a recruiter there? Wow... talk about some flawed thinking.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what do you cheery gentlemen think of the DE Sports Complex? 12 turf fields, many of which have lights for night games! I am so looking forward to an August tournament there!

... oh, wait. I am so irresponsible. Having 20 kids in helmets, face masks, mouthpieces, gloves, playing in fresh air and sunlight, with tons of UV rays, this is a major risk. As opposed to tens of thousands of adults packed closely together with no masks on... because they are protesting a good cause. (You can substitute the Republican Convention for the protestors, if that makes you feel better! This is apolitical!)

Bottom line is this. The curve was flattened, which we were told was the goal when this all started. There were projections that 40% or more of the country would eventually get it, so the strategy was to at least slow it down so that the hospitals weren’t overrun like they were in Italy. This was already accomplished, especially for New Yorkers. Stopping boys lacrosse will have virtually zero effect on the spread of COVID-19. Look at the WHO transmission data for youths..

If people want to stay home, then do it. If people want to RESPONSIBLY partake in kids sports tournaments, then they can do it. This is freaking America. If you are too big a IAmInSecure to wear a face cover in in 90 degree weather, then stay home. Who cares about face offs..

Okay, have a great time...


Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what do you cheery gentlemen think of the DE Sports Complex? 12 turf fields, many of which have lights for night games! I am so looking forward to an August tournament there!

... oh, wait. I am so irresponsible. Having 20 kids in helmets, face masks, mouthpieces, gloves, playing in fresh air and sunlight, with tons of UV rays, this is a major risk. As opposed to tens of thousands of adults packed closely together with no masks on... because they are protesting a good cause. (You can substitute the Republican Convention for the protestors, if that makes you feel better! This is apolitical!)

Bottom line is this. The curve was flattened, which we were told was the goal when this all started. There were projections that 40% or more of the country would eventually get it, so the strategy was to at least slow it down so that the hospitals weren’t overrun like they were in Italy. This was already you, especially for New Yorkers. Stopping boys lacrosse will have virtually zero effect on the spread of COVID-19. Look at the WHO transmission data for youths..

If people want to stay home, then do it. If people want to RESPONSIBLY partake in kids sports tournaments, then they can do it. This is freaking America. If you are too big a IAmInSecure to wear a face cover in in 90 degree weather, then stay home. Who cares about face offs..

Okay, have a great time...



Not bad statement except FOGOs and LSMs care a lot about faceoffs because, you know, its part of the game. Who wants to play quasi lax? Alternate possessions on loose balls if 2 players are too close to each other? Forget about where you stand on the virus, starting to sound like a big waste of time.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what do you cheery gentlemen think of the DE Sports Complex? 12 turf fields, many of which have lights for night games! I am so looking forward to an August tournament there!

... oh, wait. I am so irresponsible. Having 20 kids in helmets, face masks, mouthpieces, gloves, playing in fresh air and sunlight, with tons of UV rays, this is a major risk. As opposed to tens of thousands of adults packed closely together with no masks on... because they are protesting a good cause. (You can substitute the Republican Convention for the protestors, if that makes you feel better! This is apolitical!)

Bottom line is this. The curve was flattened, which we were told was the goal when this all started. There were projections that 40% or more of the country would eventually get it, so the strategy was to at least slow it down so that the hospitals weren’t overrun like they were in Italy. This was already accomplished, especially for New Yorkers. Stopping boys lacrosse will have virtually zero effect on the spread of COVID-19. Look at the WHO transmission data for youths..

If people want to stay home, then do it. If people want to RESPONSIBLY partake in kids sports tournaments, then they can do it. This is freaking America. If you are too big a IAmInSecure to wear a face cover in in 90 degree weather, then stay home. Who cares about face offs..

Okay, have a great time...



Why would I drive to Delaware when coaches can’t recruit? The only reason these tournaments are still being held is so clubs can keep their money. Wake up!! And what about the FOGOs? Do they get refunds? Big mess!!




so wait, based on this logic - why bother playing sports unless there is a recruiter there? Wow... talk about some flawed thinking.



If I’m driving out of state and spending $$ on gas, tolls and hotel rooms...then YES!!

No college coaches, modified play. I'm with you.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All over the news today.LSU football and Clemson football. Several players tested positive for Covid. The teams are quarantining now. Good chance there may not be football in the fall. Youth sports is supposed to be a happy, fun, enjoyable atmosphere. To play or try to play in this environment just feels wrong.



I am surprised nobody has really picked up on the little gems in this US Lax Magazine article...for example:

“The issue is incredibly complex,” Danowski said. .....(shortened to end of paragraph).......If football doesn’t happen in the fall, we won’t even be worried about recruiting. There will be no lacrosse at the Division 1 level. They make the money that allows the rest of us to do what we do.”

Link here: https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/colle...the-altered-college-recruiting-landscape

Tell that to the folks still wanting to drive to Delaware for a modified tournament.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All over the news today.LSU football and Clemson football. Several players tested positive for Covid. The teams are quarantining now. Good chance there may not be football in the fall. Youth sports is supposed to be a happy, fun, enjoyable atmosphere. To play or try to play in this environment just feels wrong.



I am surprised nobody has really picked up on the little gems in this US Lax Magazine article...for example:

“The issue is incredibly complex,” Danowski said. .....(shortened to end of paragraph).......If football doesn’t happen in the fall, we won’t even be worried about recruiting. There will be no lacrosse at the Division 1 level. They make the money that allows the rest of us to do what we do.”

Link here: https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/colle...the-altered-college-recruiting-landscape

Tell that to the folks still wanting to drive to Delaware for a modified tournament.


By far the best post here...there are only (2) sports that make money for college athletic programs, Basketball and Football. They already lost Basketball in March when the NCAA tournament was cancelled. If college football is cancelled it will be such a big double whammy that you will see so many of these peripheral sports cancelled for the year and perhaps for good.

Think about it, are the colleges more worried about their athletics programs or getting their tuition for school? I agree with these possible make shift summer tournaments. Travel lacrosse is a big business and the money train effects a lot of pockets. Those that usually make money in the summer are just trying to get something out of this summer.

And many are trying to hold onto their something.
Anyone know when tryouts are scheduled for?
Yeah! Blah blah blah, every year it's the same thing on this website! i come on to get some info about tournes and such, and always have to deal with some crazy lax parent telling something we already know! Now with the virus it's even worse. If you feel it's not right for the kids to play then don't do it! Everybody knows travel lax is like gambling with the devil! No contract, no rule or promise that you kid will get equal playing time or won't get cut the next season. It's been like this since travel started and lax was always a rich kids sport with nothing at the end!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All over the news today.LSU football and Clemson football. Several players tested positive for Covid. The teams are quarantining now. Good chance there may not be football in the fall. Youth sports is supposed to be a happy, fun, enjoyable atmosphere. To play or try to play in this environment just feels wrong.



I am surprised nobody has really picked up on the little gems in this US Lax Magazine article...for example:

“The issue is incredibly complex,” Danowski said. .....(shortened to end of paragraph).......If football doesn’t happen in the fall, we won’t even be worried about recruiting. There will be no lacrosse at the Division 1 level. They make the money that allows the rest of us to do what we do.”

Link here: https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/colle...the-altered-college-recruiting-landscape

Tell that to the folks still wanting to drive to Delaware for a modified tournament.


By far the best post here...there are only (2) sports that make money for college athletic programs, Basketball and Football. They already lost Basketball in March when the NCAA tournament was cancelled. If college football is cancelled it will be such a big double whammy that you will see so many of these peripheral sports cancelled for the year and perhaps for good.

Think about it, are the colleges more worried about their athletics programs or getting their tuition for school? I agree with these possible make shift summer tournaments. Travel lacrosse is a big business and the money train effects a lot of pockets. Those that usually make money in the summer are just trying to get something out of this summer.

And many are trying to hold onto their something.


Speaking of the above. Did not expect this type of announcement so already. Let’s hope it’s not a trend.

Bowdoin College made a big announcement regarding fall athletics.

The NESCAC institution announced that “due to limits on campus attendance,” all sports in the upcoming fall semester have been canceled. There remains the “opportunity for the winter, spring and possibly fall varsity athletes to participate and compete in some form after January 1.”

This means no fall ball for Bowdoin. On the positive side, there will be no elimination of programs and no furloughs or cuts in the athletic department.
A gamble with playing time, yes. A gamble if you like the coach, yes. A gamble the team might not be good, yes. Nobody in the world was gambling the season would be over by March. Numbers are spiking throughout the country. You are delusional to think there will be tournaments in the next 2 months. I’m not being negative. I’m being realistic.
Delaware shouldn't even be in anyone's sights. It's one of the states with the largest uptick of new Covid cases.
Keep it local, keep it safe.
There will be time for 1-2 local tournaments, then call it a day.
For all the tough talk, you all know you'll be right back at the trough for the next season.
Accept your partial credit towards next year and move on
Hey meatheads, it isnt about the lousy lax that you overpaid for or the refunds that you are never getting. It is about the uncertainty of this Covid Environment and doing what is best for the kids. If throwing them on a field in the August heat to play "Non contact and adequate spacing" lacrosse is your cup of tea then God Bless! Enjoy the 8 hr round trip drive in 1 day for a glorified walk thru at out-of-state tournament. And if you are against it and feel Covid is going to explode again and you want to avoid possible issues then keep your kid home. Its that simple. Everyone has their opinion, right or wrong.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey meatheads, it isnt about the lousy lax that you overpaid for or the refunds that you are never getting. It is about the uncertainty of this Covid Environment and doing what is best for the kids. If throwing them on a field in the August heat to play "Non contact and adequate spacing" lacrosse is your cup of tea then God Bless! Enjoy the 8 hr round trip drive in 1 day for a glorified walk thru at out-of-state tournament. And if you are against it and feel Covid is going to explode again and you want to avoid possible issues then keep your kid home. Its that simple. Everyone has their opinion, right or wrong.


If you paid for a product that you didn't receive that's ok?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey meatheads, it isnt about the lousy lax that you overpaid for or the refunds that you are never getting. It is about the uncertainty of this Covid Environment and doing what is best for the kids. If throwing them on a field in the August heat to play "Non contact and adequate spacing" lacrosse is your cup of tea then God Bless! Enjoy the 8 hr round trip drive in 1 day for a glorified walk thru at out-of-state tournament. And if you are against it and feel Covid is going to explode again and you want to avoid possible issues then keep your kid home. Its that simple. Everyone has their opinion, right or wrong.


Exactly, if you want to skirt up and stay inside, by all means, there are plenty of instructional knitting videos to get you through the tough times. By the time you come out it will be winter and you will be fully stocked with scarves and hats. It's a win win for everyone
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey meatheads, it isnt about the lousy lax that you overpaid for or the refunds that you are never getting. It is about the uncertainty of this Covid Environment and doing what is best for the kids. If throwing them on a field in the August heat to play "Non contact and adequate spacing" lacrosse is your cup of tea then God Bless! Enjoy the 8 hr round trip drive in 1 day for a glorified walk thru at out-of-state tournament. And if you are against it and feel Covid is going to explode again and you want to avoid possible issues then keep your kid home. Its that simple. Everyone has their opinion, right or wrong.


maybe post this on another page or 2?
Okay, now you raged, now go and knock down another statue!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Exactly, if you want to skirt up and stay inside, by all means, there are plenty of instructional knitting videos to get you through the tough times. By the time you come out it will be winter and you will be fully stocked with scarves and hats. It's a win win for everyone


Not to mention Vitamin D deprived and primed to kick off a nasty "2nd Wave" right in the middle of flu season.

It's funny how some, no, most can't think for themselves. Do whats best for you and family alone. What ever you decide, don't justify your decision to anyone, especially on this forum. Some are over grown H.S. teenagers.
I think the only club who won't refund is Igloo because they'll be practicing three days a week starting July. Anyone know any other start ups?
Lets play a game:

NO R _F_N D S!!!

Would you like to buy a vowel for $200? For the dopes above a vowel is either A,E,I O or U......
I just can’t get over how much people go on and on about refunds. First let me say, yes, I agree, there should be refunds or credits. Second and I’m being brutally honest here. If you get a partial refund or credit, it’s probably in the 1000 dollar range. If this 1000 bucks is so important to you, club sports isn’t something your family will enjoy. I have 3 kids, they all play club lax and have for years. I spent boatloads of money on this over the years. My kids love it, that’s why I do it. Some of the money was well spent, some not very well spent. At times I thought we were getting ripped off. Fees for this, fees for that. Additional tournament fees. Additional indoor field fees. Sweatshirt fees. It goes on and on. These clubs are after everyone’s money and we all know this. We deal with these salesman coaches and directors because our kids love it.
Its about time parents stick up for whats wrong with travel lacrosse, it has become all business and no longer about the children that play. There is a true threat with the Covid cases spiking through out the US and its only a matter of time before Long island gets hit again. Putting our children at risk because travel organizations don't want to refund/credit or save a roster spot for next year is not how business should be done. If you purchase something and it is not what you ordered you bring it back for a refund, the money we spent on our travel programs is a whole new level of expense that alot of us can't afford and these travel organizations have us handcuffed into trying to squeeze a season in. I for one will not let this happen quietly. Covid is real, having youth wear masks and participate in extreme heat in tournament play is going to cause heat stroke and other health issues. I have started contacting the legislature and I implore you to follow. I have named teams that are practicing (Shore to Shore, Legacy, Team 91) and from the feedback I am receiving my concerns are not falling on deaf ears. lets please all do the same and stop this before one of our youngsters gets ill.
contact infobutt.com to start and report any youth practices and locations ASAP
Thank you and hopefully a cure will happen soon and we can resume sports safely
infobutt.com

This is the e-mail for Steve Bellone, not sure what happened when I posted it on last post
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its about time parents stick up for whats wrong with travel lacrosse, it has become all business and no longer about the children that play. There is a true threat with the Covid cases spiking through out the US and its only a matter of time before Long island gets hit again. Putting our children at risk because travel organizations don't want to refund/credit or save a roster spot for next year is not how business should be done. If you purchase something and it is not what you ordered you bring it back for a refund, the money we spent on our travel programs is a whole new level of expense that alot of us can't afford and these travel organizations have us handcuffed into trying to squeeze a season in. I for one will not let this happen quietly. Covid is real, having youth wear masks and participate in extreme heat in tournament play is going to cause heat stroke and other health issues. I have started contacting the legislature and I implore you to follow. I have named teams that are practicing (Shore to Shore, Legacy, Team 91) and from the feedback I am receiving my concerns are not falling on deaf ears. lets please all do the same and stop this before one of our youngsters gets ill.
contact infobutt.com to start and report any youth practices and locations ASAP
Thank you and hopefully a cure will happen soon and we can resume sports safely


I have seen multiple teams practicing on the same field, so around 40 kids. Full team practice with coach, pinnies etc. While this was happening Nassau police drive right next to the field, take a look and drive on. Nobody is enforcing anything so don't waste your time. Government tells you one thing on TV and then does the opposite.

I say let them all practice and attend massive tournaments. Let the numbers spike through the roof. Then come fall, when Gov. Andy keeps the schools closed people will only have themselves to blame. The majority of the parents think it was hard having their kids home in March, wait until September, at the start of a new school year. Parents think only short term, Gov Andy will love for the numbers to spike in order to keep the kids home in September in order to roll out his foreseeable educational plan.
US Lacrosse Stage 5 (tournament) recommendations coming out any day now. They hold the insurance for our players. I think their recommendations will be very conservative and limiting. Do you think tournaments will defy their guidelines?
I'm not going to get into refunds or safety of the children. I'm going to talk reality, if there is now a 14 day quarantine for anyone entering New York, how are these travel programs going to play in tournaments where teams from all over the country come to play lacrosse? the answer is they are NOT. So why do these program directors insist in making believe that the season is still alive? For one reason MONEY. I want my kid playing and practicing with his friends and teammates but as long as the restrictions are in place I thing its not gonna happen.
In the midwest, the tournaments are occurring as normal. No changes at all.
sooooooo true! sad
The directors will keep selling it as long as the ignorant parents keep buying it. Dont detest the playa, detest the parents! Without them, none of this is possible smile Haaaa!!!!
You should really go on top of the mountain and preach so everybody can hear you! Repent sinner!

https://www.uslacrosse.org/sites/default/files/public/documents/safety/return-to-play-final-1.pdf
If people complain then it will be enforced, taking a blind eye and saying nothing can put people at risk. The whole point is to not have another outbreak involving our kids so your theory on letting all the tournaments happen so we can say that "we told you so" is not what we want. e-mail Steve Bellone and Laura Curren, I evidently can not post there e-mail address because the moderator wont allow. Just go online and speak up before it's too late.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not going to get into refunds or safety of the children. I'm going to talk reality, if there is now a 14 day quarantine for anyone entering New York, how are these travel programs going to play in tournaments where teams from all over the country come to play lacrosse? the answer is they are NOT. So why do these program directors insist in making believe that the season is still alive? For one reason MONEY. I want my kid playing and practicing with his friends and teammates but as long as the restrictions are in place I thing its not gonna happen.



The order — a “joint travel advisory” with the two other states — would take effect at midnight, Mr. Cuomo said on Wednesday. He said the quick implementation was aimed at preventing a rush of travelers trying to avoid the requirement, which currently applied to Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas and Utah.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If people complain then it will be enforced, taking a blind eye and saying nothing can put people at risk. The whole point is to not have another outbreak involving our kids so your theory on letting all the tournaments happen so we can say that "we told you so" is not what we want. e-mail Steve Bellone and Laura Curren, I evidently can not post there e-mail address because the moderator wont allow. Just go online and speak up before it's too late.


Your response is so 2020. You 't think it is right so you assume everyone else thinks it's wrong so let's go ahead and hit the cancel button because your opinion is more valid then everyone else's who wants to play. Quick, I don't like something, grab the pitch forks and torches and start complaining. The moderators should not allow contact info on here. Us lax parents are psycho's, there will be 10 year old kids phone numbers and emails splashed on here in no time. Kudos to them for keeping that garbage out of here.

I wouldn't risk it right now (practice) unless it's at someones home. I know the county (S) received several complaints about this subject and one, if not more organizations will be fined. The county isn't relying on one practice, several practice locations are being recorded (video) along with the vehicles of parents (license plate numbers), children exiting to a practice location and parents picking up afterwards. Be careful people you can't say you didn't know when you're slapped with a fine.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If people complain then it will be enforced, taking a blind eye and saying nothing can put people at risk. The whole point is to not have another outbreak involving our kids so your theory on letting all the tournaments happen so we can say that "we told you so" is not what we want. e-mail Steve Bellone and Laura Curren, I evidently can not post there e-mail address because the moderator wont allow. Just go online and speak up before it's too late.


Your response is so 2020. You 't think it is right so you assume everyone else thinks it's wrong so let's go ahead and hit the cancel button because your opinion is more valid then everyone else's who wants to play. Quick, I don't like something, grab the pitch forks and torches and start complaining. The moderators should not allow contact info on here. Us lax parents are psycho's, there will be 10 year old kids phone numbers and emails splashed on here in no time. Kudos to them for keeping that garbage out of here.

I wouldn't risk it right now (practice) unless it's at someones home. I know the county (S) received several complaints about this subject and one, if not more organizations will be fined. The county isn't relying on one practice, several practice locations are being recorded (video) along with the vehicles of parents (license plate numbers), children exiting to a practice location and parents picking up afterwards. Be careful people you can't say you didn't know when you're slapped with a fine.



Do you read what you write. Video taping parents and kids and “turning them in”. Are you kidding. Buttman Cuomo having police pull cars over with out of state plates-patently illegal. If you want to give up your liberty go right ahead but I hope that most people will not give up their freedom and liberty. Your opinion is scary.

Red light cameras were suppose to be illegal too, what happen? There was a county car parked where our practice was held Tuesday evening. Small Ford SUV with blacked out windows. They (2 women) were clearly there for us. My wife is having a fit over this. If the County comes in while the kids are practicing, I hope the club will pick up the fines given to the parents. It is what it is.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If people complain then it will be enforced, taking a blind eye and saying nothing can put people at risk. The whole point is to not have another outbreak involving our kids so your theory on letting all the tournaments happen so we can say that "we told you so" is not what we want. e-mail Steve Bellone and Laura Curren, I evidently can not post there e-mail address because the moderator wont allow. Just go online and speak up before it's too late.


Your response is so 2020. You 't think it is right so you assume everyone else thinks it's wrong so let's go ahead and hit the cancel button because your opinion is more valid then everyone else's who wants to play. Quick, I don't like something, grab the pitch forks and torches and start complaining. The moderators should not allow contact info on here. Us lax parents are psycho's, there will be 10 year old kids phone numbers and emails splashed on here in no time. Kudos to them for keeping that garbage out of here.

I wouldn't risk it right now (practice) unless it's at someones home. I know the county (S) received several complaints about this subject and one, if not more organizations will be fined. The county isn't relying on one practice, several practice locations are being recorded (video) along with the vehicles of parents (license plate numbers), children exiting to a practice location and parents picking up afterwards. Be careful people you can't say you didn't know when you're slapped with a fine.



I couldn't tell if this was a joke or not?! The county is video taping practice location and taking down license plate numbers??!! Haha.. I pray the 'authorities' have something better to do with their time.. Or at least something more productive on the taxpayers dime..
Anyone know if the NXT Summer Invitational on July 11 is happening? Seems crazy to think in 2 weeks there would be a big lacrosse tournament but I don't think they've cancelled/postponed yet.
DE Gov just announced delayed opening....this isn't going to help with all the lax tournaments they are scheduling at Deturf in July and Aug. Just one more reason my girls won't have 4 tournaments this year. The clubs should provide something back to us.



Governor Carney Announces Delay in Phase 3 of Economic Reopening

Thursday, June 25: Governor Carney announced a delay in moving to Phase 3 of Delaware’s economic reopening, and issued the following statement:

“I know many Delawareans expected us to move into Phase 3 of economic reopening on Monday, June 29 – and that had been my hope, as well. But we are delaying that decision so we can get a better handle on what’s going on in Delaware and around the country. We intend to make a decision early next week regarding the start of Phase 3.

“Too many Delawareans and visitors are not following basic public health precautions. We’ve heard and seen concerns especially in our beach communities, in restaurants, in gyms, and at sporting events. Now’s not the time to let up. You’re required to wear a mask in public settings. Keep your distance from those outside your household. These are common sense steps that, frankly, are not that difficult to follow. And they’re a small price to pay for keeping our friends and relatives out of the hospital.

“Today, we held a COVID-19 testing event in Rehoboth Beach. Results of that event should help us determine infection rates in our coastal communities. We’ll be monitoring this data – as well as compliance with public health requirements like mask-wearing and social distancing – as we make a determination about when Phase 3 should begin.

“In Delaware, we are beating this disease. We have flattened the curve. But that’s because Delawareans stayed home and made significant sacrifices to keep others safe. Make no mistake: COVID-19 has not gone away. We’ve seen what has happened in other states when folks let their guard down. Let’s not be one of those states.”
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what do you cheery gentlemen think of the DE Sports Complex? 12 turf fields, many of which have lights for night games! I am so looking forward to an August tournament there!

... oh, wait. I am so irresponsible. Having 20 kids in helmets, face masks, mouthpieces, gloves, playing in fresh air and sunlight, with tons of UV rays, this is a major risk. As opposed to tens of thousands of adults packed closely together with no masks on... because they are protesting a good cause. (You can substitute the Republican Convention for the protestors, if that makes you feel better! This is apolitical!)

Bottom line is this. The curve was flattened, which we were told was the goal when this all started. There were projections that 40% or more of the country would eventually get it, so the strategy was to at least slow it down so that the hospitals weren’t overrun like they were in Italy. This was already accomplished, especially for New Yorkers. Stopping boys lacrosse will have virtually zero effect on the spread of COVID-19. Look at the WHO transmission data for youths..

If people want to stay home, then do it. If people want to RESPONSIBLY partake in kids sports tournaments, then they can do it. This is freaking America. If you are too big a IAmInSecure to wear a face cover in in 90 degree weather, then stay home. Who cares about face offs..

Okay, have a great time...

What now?
https://news.delaware.gov/2020/06/2...-delay-in-phase-3-of-economic-reopening/
Stop drinking the cement because you want to believe it is water. No tourneys, No refunds. Move on. Find something else to do. Its over for a while. At least you have your cool Club team Tee shirt to sport....
Do you think Igloo will be canceling tryouts and keeping our money we paid for registration?
WHY WOULD YOU PAY FOR ANYTHING RIGHT NOW?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stop drinking the cement because you want to believe it is water. No tourneys, No refunds. Move on. Find something else to do. Its over for a while. At least you have your cool Club team Tee shirt to sport....


What else do we do? Lacrosse is our main and only activity. My kids are even tired of riding their bikes, let alone my oldest one can't even ride one. It's easy to pack up the car for tournaments each weekend. Also, gives us time with other lax parents to eat and drink. Tell you the truth, I detest being stuck together alone with each other this long.
Girls lady jackets just sent out an e-mail. no tryouts next year, teams will stay the same. They will start having a few practices outdoors in a week or so. No tournaments, just some scrimmages among themselves in the Fall. No word on a $credit for next year yet BUT atleast they are not trying to force a season and put our kids at risk like other organizations.
this was on the news: LACROSSE is not on the list!

Some youth sports deemed low risk can start up once again on July 6, after many saw most of their winter season and all of their spring season canceled by coronavirus.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo made the announcement after Long Island officials pushed for eased restrictions on kids with the school year ending, the weather getting warmer and new cases continuing to decrease.

Sports on the list included baseball, softball, field hockey, crew, cross country and gymnastic
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you think Igloo will be canceling tryouts and keeping our money we paid for registration?


they are the worst of the worst
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you think Igloo will be canceling tryouts and keeping our money we paid for registration?

Legacy is also having tryouts and they don't even evaluate. Don't register, you'll never get your money back.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Girls lady jackets just sent out an e-mail. no tryouts next year, teams will stay the same. They will start having a few practices outdoors in a week or so. No tournaments, just some scrimmages among themselves in the Fall. No word on a $credit for next year yet BUT atleast they are not trying to force a season and put our kids at risk like other organizations.


Read it again. Pretty explicit that there will be no refunds with the link to the refund policy in the email.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Girls lady jackets just sent out an e-mail. no tryouts next year, teams will stay the same. They will start having a few practices outdoors in a week or so. No tournaments, just some scrimmages among themselves in the Fall. No word on a $credit for next year yet BUT atleast they are not trying to force a season and put our kids at risk like other organizations.


Read it again. Pretty explicit that there will be no refunds with the link to the refund policy in the email.


https://www.governor.ny.gov/sites/g...es/SportsAndRecreationMasterGuidance.pdf

"No contact lacrosse" Where are all the parents, along with the coaches, club owners who said tournaments will happen?
Delaware Governor Carney Announces Delay in Phase 3 of Economic Reopening

https://news.delaware.gov/2020/06/2...-delay-in-phase-3-of-economic-reopening/
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Delaware Governor Carney Announces Delay in Phase 3 of Economic Reopening

https://news.delaware.gov/2020/06/2...-delay-in-phase-3-of-economic-reopening/


Dispute the charge on your credit card. There's no lacrosse. Clubs were stringing people along like sheep. Dismantle entire travel lacrosse, allow only certain organizations to return. The power is with the people! Do not register for tryouts, shut them down!
Seriously bro? You have ask how to entertain your kid? You should speak to a divorce attorney man, not a bunch of schleps on some watered down Lax site....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Girls lady jackets just sent out an e-mail. no tryouts next year, teams will stay the same. They will start having a few practices outdoors in a week or so. No tournaments, just some scrimmages among themselves in the Fall. No word on a $credit for next year yet BUT atleast they are not trying to force a season and put our kids at risk like other organizations.


Read it again. Pretty explicit that there will be no refunds with the link to the refund policy in the email.


https://www.governor.ny.gov/sites/g...es/SportsAndRecreationMasterGuidance.pdf

"No contact lacrosse" Where are all the parents, along with the coaches, club owners who said tournaments will happen?


I'll tell you where some parents are at.........Getting ready to watch their kids play two games this weekend after my kids practice tonight. Finally MD is good for something!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Girls lady jackets just sent out an e-mail. no tryouts next year, teams will stay the same. They will start having a few practices outdoors in a week or so. No tournaments, just some scrimmages among themselves in the Fall. No word on a $credit for next year yet BUT atleast they are not trying to force a season and put our kids at risk like other organizations.


Read it again. Pretty explicit that there will be no refunds with the link to the refund policy in the email.


https://www.governor.ny.gov/sites/g...es/SportsAndRecreationMasterGuidance.pdf

"No contact lacrosse" Where are all the parents, along with the coaches, club owners who said tournaments will happen?


I'll tell you where some parents are at.........Getting ready to watch their kids play two games this weekend after my kids practice tonight. Finally MD is good for something!!!


Will the Turtles post their tryouts soon? With many teams shaking up, Turtles may be a viable option. Also, I figured they have their own practice facility, won't have to pay extra for SUSA.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If people complain then it will be enforced, taking a blind eye and saying nothing can put people at risk. The whole point is to not have another outbreak involving our kids so your theory on letting all the tournaments happen so we can say that "we told you so" is not what we want. e-mail Steve Bellone and Laura Curren, I evidently can not post there e-mail address because the moderator wont allow. Just go online and speak up before it's too late.


Your response is so 2020. You 't think it is right so you assume everyone else thinks it's wrong so let's go ahead and hit the cancel button because your opinion is more valid then everyone else's who wants to play. Quick, I don't like something, grab the pitch forks and torches and start complaining. The moderators should not allow contact info on here. Us lax parents are psycho's, there will be 10 year old kids phone numbers and emails splashed on here in no time. Kudos to them for keeping that garbage out of here.

I wouldn't risk it right now (practice) unless it's at someones home. I know the county (S) received several complaints about this subject and one, if not more organizations will be fined. The county isn't relying on one practice, several practice locations are being recorded (video) along with the vehicles of parents (license plate numbers), children exiting to a practice location and parents picking up afterwards. Be careful people you can't say you didn't know when you're slapped with a fine.



Do you read what you write. Video taping parents and kids and “turning them in”. Are you kidding. Buttman Cuomo having police pull cars over with out of state plates-patently illegal. If you want to give up your liberty go right ahead but I hope that most people will not give up their freedom and liberty. Your opinion is scary.

Red light cameras were suppose to be illegal too, what happen? There was a county car parked where our practice was held Tuesday evening. Small Ford SUV with blacked out windows. They (2 women) were clearly there for us. My wife is having a fit over this. If the County comes in while the kids are practicing, I hope the club will pick up the fines given to the parents. It is what it is.


fine for what. you can have groups of up to 25 people. you can social distance and not have to wear masks. kids on a lax field, 6' apart, whats wrong with that. the biggest question is, how many kids are really getting sick. the whole Kawasaki disease died down really quick once the rioter, looters and protestors came along and everyone attention span quickly changed.

how many club teams have started to charge more money, or additional fees so far since they can start back up on July 6th.
Looks like the summer season is over. No coaches allowed to watch kids at tournaments. I feel really bad for the 2022s. Phones will not be ringing Sept. 1. College coaches have so much uncertainty. Some clubs are still trying to jam in practices up to 5 times a week so they can justify the club fee. This is absolutely ridiculous. Season is over, everyone knows it. Do the right thing and give the refund, it’s the right thing to do. Hopefully there will be some LI summer leagues so the kids can keep fresh.
Pump the brakes dude. No need to go off the edge like a lemming. Yes, it’s a difficult situation for the 22’s, however most top level D1 have already seen their top choices.

Coaches have been given free video footage for all tournament games. As a club coach I feel that could be better for our players and college coaches. Less stress! It will all work out for sure. Yes, this is a difficult situation. I feel bad for the 2020 grads in both HS and college that never got to play out their senior season.
No way they are going to allow movement between states so my bet is its local or it ain't happening
Kids are playing as we speak dingleberry!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Kids are playing as we speak dingleberry!


I think the person is saying, there isn't a FULL contingent of participants at these events during these crazy times. If you think about it, at this point college coaches are concentrating on the uncertainty of their schools program.
https://www.uslacrosse.org/blog/exp...the-altered-college-recruiting-landscape
Non contact lacrosse is NOT lacrosse!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Non contact lacrosse is NOT lacrosse!


Many kids love this type of game play. Mine wants to wait until regular play resumes.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you think Igloo will be canceling tryouts and keeping our money we paid for registration?


they are the worst of the worst



Stop spreading rumors, you can't register for tryouts on the Igloo website currently
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you think Igloo will be canceling tryouts and keeping our money we paid for registration?


they are the worst of the worst



Stop spreading rumors, you can't register for tryouts on the Igloo website currently


They (Igloo) must of just shut it down, because I registered my kid. Hope I get a refund!
RULES FOR G8 from website. Have fun....Summer 2020 Age Groups Dates and Times:
2022’s: Friday July 10th, 8am – 2:45pm & Saturday July 11th, 8:00am – 11:45am
2023’s: Saturday July 11th, 4:15pm – 8:45pm & Sunday July 12th, 8:00am – 2:45pm
2024’s: Friday July 10th, 2:45pm – 8:45 pm & Saturday July 11th, 12:30pm – 4:15pm
Location: Central Park of Morris County, NJ
4 turf field complex with all fields side by side.
Each team will have 5 games on full fields. 3 games one day, 2 another day.

ALL teams will play in flighted pools based on competition level that is chosen by the coach/club manager.

Timing: For 2020 only, each team will have THREE games. Games will be 22-minute halves with a running clock. There will be a three-minute half time and three minutes between games. (50 minute blocks)

Two 20-minute halves with a running clock. There will be a 2-minute half time and 3 minutes between games. (45 minute blocks)

All teams should be warmed up and ready to take the field for their next game.

There will be one central horn used for all timing.
1 horn to signify the beginning of the game.
1 horn to signify the beginning and end of halftime.
1 horn to signify the end of the game.

Rules: G8 will follow all US Lacrosse & NFHS Rules as it pertains to each age level with the following tournament specific modifications:

THE DRAW

The game will start with a coin toss between the officials and a coach from each time (maintaining 6 feet of distance between all parties). Team listed second on the schedule, makes the call of Heads or Tails on the coin toss. The winner of the coin toss selects: possession to start the game/possession to start the second half OR direction. The non-winning coach selects what the winning coach did not.

POSSESSION after a goal
We will not take traditional draws. The GK will use her stick to retrieve the ball from the back of the net and roll it back to center (may be relayed back, but all players use a stick, not a hand to advance the ball). The center, from the team that did not score, will start with the ball on the center line and the defense may be 4M away in any direction. The official will whistle to indicate the restart, once both teams are set up. The line up may be 4D, 3M, 4A but teams may adjust to 5D, 3M, 3A or 3D, 3M, 5A. But no greater line up adjustments may be made.
There are NO timeouts

During an injury timeout, clock will run.

You're kidding me?

8-meter shots will be played out if the horn sounds for the end of the game or half. If the 8-meter free position is already in play when the game horn sounds, then the game is done at the time of the horn; if ball crosses the goal line after the game horn sounds, the ruling is NO GOAL (same as USL.)

Alternate possession – The team listed first on the schedule receives the first alternate possession. After the initial possession is awarded, the possession will then alternate.

1 Yellow card – the player must sit for 2 minutes, running clock, the official will keep time.
2 Yellow cards – the player must sit the remainder of the game. And may return to the next game.
RED card (Player) – The player must sit the remainder of the game and the NEXT game.
RED card (Coach) – the coach must leave the game and remain away from the game until the completion of the game.

Scorekeeping:

Scores will NOT be kept.

There will be a flip chart and score sheet on all fields.

Officials will record the scores and coaches will sign off on them.

Coaches are responsible for changing the flip charts. All official scores will be kept at tournament headquarters.

Inclement Weather Policy:

Inclement weather is out of the control of tournament directors, officials and site managers. Safety is our number one concern. In the event of thunder and/or lightening, all games will be suspended for 30 minutes from the last occurrence. Games will resume at their regularly scheduled time. No games will be made up or delayed.

The tournament will be held in the rain. In the event of heavy rain, it is up to the tournament directors, officials and site managers as to whether the field(s) is/are deemed safe to play on.

I guess the girls are being sold the same bill of goods
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you think Igloo will be canceling tryouts and keeping our money we paid for registration?


they are the worst of the worst



Stop spreading rumors, you can't register for tryouts on the Igloo website currently


They (Igloo) must of just shut it down, because I registered my kid. Hope I get a refund!


I wouldn’t worry about it, the director Of Igloo is a stand up guy and honest as they come
Why wouldnt you get your $ back for a tryout that doesnt happen? But stay on point: Your not getting a refund for this season, the season that never happened...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you think Igloo will be canceling tryouts and keeping our money we paid for registration?


they are the worst of the worst



Stop spreading rumors, you can't register for tryouts on the Igloo website currently


They (Igloo) must of just shut it down, because I registered my kid. Hope I get a refund!


I wouldn’t worry about it, the director Of Igloo is a stand up guy and honest as they come


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you think Igloo will be canceling tryouts and keeping our money we paid for registration?


they are the worst of the worst



Stop spreading rumors, you can't register for tryouts on the Igloo website currently


They (Igloo) must of just shut it down, because I registered my kid. Hope I get a refund!


I wouldn’t worry about it, the director Of Igloo is a stand up guy and honest as they come

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you think Igloo will be canceling tryouts and keeping our money we paid for registration?


they are the worst of the worst


Stop spreading rumors, you can't register for tryouts on the Igloo website currently


They (Igloo) must of just shut it down, because I registered my kid. Hope I get a refund!


I wouldn’t worry about it, the director Of Igloo is a stand up guy and honest as they come

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


Other than Igloo, have any other clubs sent any information concerning tryouts, summer, fall, credits, refunds etc?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Delaware Governor Carney Announces Delay in Phase 3 of Economic Reopening

https://news.delaware.gov/2020/06/2...-delay-in-phase-3-of-economic-reopening/


Dispute the charge on your credit card. There's no lacrosse. Clubs were stringing people along like sheep. Dismantle entire travel lacrosse, allow only certain organizations to return. The power is with the people! Do not register for tryouts, shut them down!



Yes, phase 3 is delayed, but phase 2 allowed sporting events such as these tournaments to be held so there is no change to having the events. Obviously that could still happen but the events are not dependent on phase 3.
Refunds will will not happen. All you people on here complaining about refunds will just fall back in place and forget everything dirty your club did to you . Your all suckers . They can preach about tournaments coming up just to save themselves. They have excuse after excuse . No Hs and college fields not giving permits for yourh lacrosse. Just not happening. Now states are shutting down again , sorry no chance . Complain , call , email and demand something from your club if not they will play you yr after yr . Clubs are not loyal to you as you are to them its a prime example from the past 4 months . Its all about the $$$$$. All shady business. Be well everyone .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like the summer season is over. No coaches allowed to watch kids at tournaments. I feel really bad for the 2022s. Phones will not be ringing Sept. 1. College coaches have so much uncertainty. Some clubs are still trying to jam in practices up to 5 times a week so they can justify the club fee. This is absolutely ridiculous. Season is over, everyone knows it. Do the right thing and give the refund, it’s the right thing to do. Hopefully there will be some LI summer leagues so the kids can keep fresh.

Not 1 club will give a penny back .

I heard one club is asking for payment in September. Crazy!
Cash refunds, no. Credits for next year, yes.
If people are leaving teams, which is probably a minimal number, that I don’t know.,

Credit for next year? Nope, not with this one club.
How would a credit work for a rising senior?? Or a kid that decides lax is not for them??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How would a credit work for a rising senior?? Or a kid that decides lax is not for them??


Just saw an interesting and honest approach from a smaller city club. They contacted all participants and laid out 3 options

1- Donate the summer fee to the program. Tax deduction with receipt being provided
2- Roll over tuition to Fall 2020
3- Please refund me the tuition.

I like our club directors and understand the challenging situation they are in. Theyve done well communicating and trying to get something done. I would take option 2 but would consider option1.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How would a credit work for a rising senior?? Or a kid that decides lax is not for them??


Just saw an interesting and honest approach from a smaller city club. They contacted all participants and laid out 3 options

1- Donate the summer fee to the program. Tax deduction with receipt being provided
2- Roll over tuition to Fall 2020
3- Please refund me the tuition.

I like our club directors and understand the challenging situation they are in. Theyve done well communicating and trying to get something done. I would take option 2 but would consider option1.




Donate to the club? That's hysterical!!
I get they will provide the tax deduction receipt, but the fact that they listed that as option #1 is ridiculous.

I don't expect any plan to materialize until tournament dates have passed by, then the rescheduled dates have also passed by. I have reached out to my club director, not asking for a refund, but an honest question; "What happens if the season is lost?"
The answer wasn't any different than what I figured it would be "We're looking at a few different options, but our preference will be to find a way to get the teams back on the field for something meaningful. If that can't happen, we'll finalize out plans."

Probably have about 6 or 7 weeks before any answers are known
Option 4: Bend over and pick up a lacrosse shaft. A credit toward next year? News flash: There may not be any fall ball either at this rate. Then what? A credit toward the credit? Move on as it was comical at first but in now bordering on embarrassing. No refunds, no summer season, no question.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like the summer season is over. No coaches allowed to watch kids at tournaments. I feel really bad for the 2022s. Phones will not be ringing Sept. 1. College coaches have so much uncertainty. Some clubs are still trying to jam in practices up to 5 times a week so they can justify the club fee. This is absolutely ridiculous. Season is over, everyone knows it. Do the right thing and give the refund, it’s the right thing to do. Hopefully there will be some LI summer leagues so the kids can keep fresh.

Not 1 club will give a penny back .

I heard one club is asking for payment in September. Crazy!


Don’t be shy expose that club . At this point the greed is all they care about and not the interest in you .
I'm a player in the 22 division and I have never been contacted by my club director or coach to see if I/we still even want to play modified lacrosse in the middle of a pandemic. Has any club or US lacrosse polled any players with regard to playing this summer. I just watched some of my best friends miss their senior year of lax, no other sports are playing and less then 2 weeks after school is over we are going to start traveling and playing lax. What a slap in the face to those seniors and juniors. I am a 3 sport athlete and I would much rather be in school this coming fall with a chance to play sports for my school then play a washed up form of lax. If I am going to play and put my life and families life at risk its not going to be playing a modified form of lax 2 weeks before my football season starts. If we are going to play, let's play for real and stop having my parents sign waivers that basically say "we are going to play some washed up lacrosse and we know we are putting your life at risk but don't blame us." I practice almost every day with a bunch of guys from my HS and travel teams and we are not in favor of "play dates" or modified lax. If I wanted to have a play date with someone I couldn't touch I would ask my girlfriend to hang out.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like the summer season is over. No coaches allowed to watch kids at tournaments. I feel really bad for the 2022s. Phones will not be ringing Sept. 1. College coaches have so much uncertainty. Some clubs are still trying to jam in practices up to 5 times a week so they can justify the club fee. This is absolutely ridiculous. Season is over, everyone knows it. Do the right thing and give the refund, it’s the right thing to do. Hopefully there will be some LI summer leagues so the kids can keep fresh.

Not 1 club will give a penny back .

I heard one club is asking for payment in September. Crazy!


Don’t be shy expose that club . At this point the greed is all they care about and not the interest in you .

Wait til the number explode after this weekend! There will be no fall sports either. Enjoy the hotdogs and firecrackers Lax parents!
All clubs not doing the right thing should be exposed. These clubs are trying to keep $$ for practice...hahah. Is that what they sold when you signed up. If you bought a BMW and the dealership delivered a Buick what would you do? You would be in touch with the Better Business Bureau, Yelp and all other business review sites. Do the same here. Ask your lawyer, or a good one, most people have not signed anything that states no refunds they are just put in the payment emails. Even if you did sign something that says no refunds it can’t stand up in court if they don’t deliver the service they sold you. Every club promises a number of practices and tournaments, if they don’t deliver then any paper you signed is worthless. Same with Corona waivers, would not stand up in court if hundreds of people are walking around without masks or not social distancing and someone gets sick. Take pictures and document. This one is free, next time it will cost you.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How would a credit work for a rising senior?? Or a kid that decides lax is not for them??


Just saw an interesting and honest approach from a smaller city club. They contacted all participants and laid out 3 options

1- Donate the summer fee to the program. Tax deduction with receipt being provided
2- Roll over tuition to Fall 2020
3- Please refund me the tuition.

I like our club directors and understand the challenging situation they are in. Theyve done well communicating and trying to get something done. I would take option 2 but would consider option1.




Donate to the club? That's hysterical!!
I get they will provide the tax deduction receipt, but the fact that they listed that as option #1 is ridiculous.

I don't expect any plan to materialize until tournament dates have passed by, then the rescheduled dates have also passed by. I have reached out to my club director, not asking for a refund, but an honest question; "What happens if the season is lost?"
The answer wasn't any different than what I figured it would be "We're looking at a few different options, but our preference will be to find a way to get the teams back on the field for something meaningful. If that can't happen, we'll finalize out plans."

Probably have about 6 or 7 weeks before any answers are known


How do you make a donation to a FOR PROFIT organization? I'm not a CPA but......this must be a joke!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm a player in the 22 division and I have never been contacted by my club director or coach to see if I/we still even want to play modified lacrosse in the middle of a pandemic. Has any club or US lacrosse polled any players with regard to playing this summer. I just watched some of my best friends miss their senior year of lax, no other sports are playing and less then 2 weeks after school is over we are going to start traveling and playing lax. What a slap in the face to those seniors and juniors. I am a 3 sport athlete and I would much rather be in school this coming fall with a chance to play sports for my school then play a washed up form of lax. If I am going to play and put my life and families life at risk its not going to be playing a modified form of lax 2 weeks before my football season starts. If we are going to play, let's play for real and stop having my parents sign waivers that basically say "we are going to play some washed up lacrosse and we know we are putting your life at risk but don't blame us." I practice almost every day with a bunch of guys from my HS and travel teams and we are not in favor of "play dates" or modified lax. If I wanted to have a play date with someone I couldn't touch I would ask my girlfriend to hang out.


Thanks for your input Dad.
I have given up on getting a refund. Our club just posted 4 new "playdates". They are in NJ, DE, and PA. Now they can say, "oh, we have all these events scheduled. We are all square now. No refund". Of course given last minute nature, risk of getting COVID, vacations, etc. we will be lucky to have half the team available to play. Does that matter to club? No. Otherwise they would have asked us before hand. What I don't understand is why spend all that time/ money to reschedule events? They could have used that $ for refunds.

I have to believe that with the 1000s of players and parents going to these events, that someone will get/spread COVID. While people say, oh, it doesn't impact young people, we really don't fully know that. My daughter is interested in military service, you can not join the military if you had COVID. So risk the career she wants to play watered-down lax?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How would a credit work for a rising senior?? Or a kid that decides lax is not for them??


Just saw an interesting and honest approach from a smaller city club. They contacted all participants and laid out 3 options

1- Donate the summer fee to the program. Tax deduction with receipt being provided
2- Roll over tuition to Fall 2020
3- Please refund me the tuition.

I like our club directors and understand the challenging situation they are in. Theyve done well communicating and trying to get something done. I would take option 2 but would consider option1.




Options ? They have all our money that never was used . What overhead do they have ? Stop with the excuses partial refund is the right thing to do . Not asking for full or even 1/2 . Be happy with $500//$600 bucks and move on at this point . Express took out a payment months after covid19 delayed everything and teams took out payments beginning of March . Options lol
Really too funny. I read the first sentence of that and I knew it was a dad. No 10th grader talks like that. A nice laugh in the morning. Thanks.
Funny, my parents have no clue about this site because they actually have a life but I bet your kid does. We sit back and laugh at all you crazed simpletons. Must be surprised by an educated 10th grader. But again, as my previous post stated, players don’t matter. Just keep using our likeness and images to promote your club.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really too funny. I read the first sentence of that and I knew it was a dad. No 10th grader talks like that. A nice laugh in the morning. Thanks.


^^^^^^ THIS
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny, my parents have no clue about this site because they actually have a life but I bet your kid does. We sit back and laugh at all you crazed simpletons. Must be surprised by an educated 10th grader. But again, as my previous post stated, players don’t matter. Just keep using our likeness and images to promote your club.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have given up on getting a refund. Our club just posted 4 new "playdates". They are in NJ, DE, and PA. Now they can say, "oh, we have all these events scheduled. We are all square now. No refund". Of course given last minute nature, risk of getting COVID, vacations, etc. we will be lucky to have half the team available to play. Does that matter to club? No. Otherwise they would have asked us before hand. What I don't understand is why spend all that time/ money to reschedule events? They could have used that $ for refunds.

I have to believe that with the 1000s of players and parents going to these events, that someone will get/spread COVID. While people say, oh, it doesn't impact young people, we really don't fully know that. My daughter is interested in military service, you can not join the military if you had COVID. So risk the career she wants to play watered-down lax?


Parents don't get it. Soon, clubs will be sending out the tuition cost for next season. So get ready to shell out more money for a lot of uncertainty.
Funny, parents think they are the only ones one this site...hahahahahah...losers.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny, my parents have no clue about this site because they actually have a life but I bet your kid does. We sit back and laugh at all you crazed simpletons. Must be surprised by an educated 10th grader. But again, as my previous post stated, players don’t matter. Just keep using our likeness and images to promote your club.


You made it worse with this one dad. Now go have your coffee and calm down
NO REFUNDS! Get your checkbooks ready for Fall season that is in serious jeopardy too. Maybe you will get a "Free" hoodie with he team logo .

Clubs already notified their parents on the amount of money they are demanding, without the "free" hoodie.
Demanding? No, it is an option..a choice, that all parents have. Stop beating up the clubs They are providing what the parents crave and the parents are choking it down. Its on the parents, NOT the clubs.

Really?
It's funny according to Express we are all systems go for July 6th. BUT no one wants to talk about tournaments? I personally don't give a garbage about practice thats not the only way they get better. Tournaments are where the competition is and how they will get better. At this point stop blowing smoke up our Meanyand just kill the darn season.
There are no tourneys But everyone keeps holding onto this false belief that there is.... Its over Johnny! Everyone knows it but some parents cant just let go. ITS OVER! I'll say it again: ITS OVER!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's funny according to Express we are all systems go for July 6th. BUT no one wants to talk about tournaments? I personally don't give a garbage about practice thats not the only way they get better. Tournaments are where the competition is and how they will get better. At this point stop blowing smoke up our Meanyand just kill the darn season.


Our club said we are a go to Delaware also. Nothing about hotels or anything else.

It's over people, move on. Call and see if you get any answer:
Address: 1220 River Rd, New Castle, DE 19720
Hours: Closed ⋅ Opens 9AM Thu
Phone: (302) 322-4220
https://www.uslacrosse.org/sites/de...turn-to-play-stage-5-recommendations.pdf

Will this shut down any tournaments?
https://www.uslacrosse.org/sites/de...turn-to-play-stage-5-recommendations.pdf

Will this shut down any tournaments?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are no tourneys But everyone keeps holding onto this false belief that there is.... Its over Johnny! Everyone knows it but some parents cant just let go. ITS OVER! I'll say it again: ITS OVER!
FAKE NEWS
Mid Summer Classic at Umass has been cancelled. The recruiting dead period extending until August 31st was the main reason according to the email. They offered full refunds or credit for next year.
I am sure there will be more to follow.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are no tourneys But everyone keeps holding onto this false belief that there is.... Its over Johnny! Everyone knows it but some parents cant just let go. ITS OVER! I'll say it again: ITS OVER!
FAKE NEWS

There was just a huge National Tournament this past weekend in Tennessee for the 2022s. So you Sir, are wrong!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are no tourneys But everyone keeps holding onto this false belief that there is.... Its over Johnny! Everyone knows it but some parents cant just let go. ITS OVER! I'll say it again: ITS OVER!
FAKE NEWS

There was just a huge National Tournament this past weekend in Tennessee for the 2022s. So you Sir, are wrong!

Who cares? No college coaches were there.....waste of $$$$ for this age group.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are no tourneys But everyone keeps holding onto this false belief that there is.... Its over Johnny! Everyone knows it but some parents cant just let go. ITS OVER! I'll say it again: ITS OVER!
FAKE NEWS

There was just a huge National Tournament this past weekend in Tennessee for the 2022s. So you Sir, are wrong!

Who cares? No college coaches were there.....waste of $$$$ for this age group.

The Film was sent to the coaches. These were the top boys in the age group who will all be recruited Sept 1. I'm pretty sure a lot of people care. Sorry your son wasn't invited. I would also like to point out that the response was to the post claiming "there are no tourneys" which is clearly incorrect!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are no tourneys But everyone keeps holding onto this false belief that there is.... Its over Johnny! Everyone knows it but some parents cant just let go. ITS OVER! I'll say it again: ITS OVER!
FAKE NEWS

There was just a huge National Tournament this past weekend in Tennessee for the 2022s. So you Sir, are wrong!

Who cares? No college coaches were there.....waste of $$$$ for this age group.

The Film was sent to the coaches. These were the top boys in the age group who will all be recruited Sept 1. I'm pretty sure a lot of people care. Sorry your son wasn't invited. I would also like to point out that the response was to the post claiming "there are no tourneys" which is clearly incorrect!

Recruited Sep 1st. College lacrosse isn't even in the discussion without Football or Basketball. Like someone said, waste of $$$$$
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Having obesity, defined as a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or above, increases your risk of severe illness from COVID-19; In prior years I've seen plenty of parents that fit this category. Most likely are the ones itching for tournaments to start up. You know who you are moms' and dads' Big market for yoga, work-out pants. .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are no tourneys But everyone keeps holding onto this false belief that there is.... Its over Johnny! Everyone knows it but some parents cant just let go. ITS OVER! I'll say it again: ITS OVER!
FAKE NEWS

There was just a huge National Tournament this past weekend in Tennessee for the 2022s. So you Sir, are wrong!

Who cares? No college coaches were there.....waste of $$$$ for this age group.

There was a tournament in MD this past weekend that included teams from all age groups. I know it doesn't fit your narrative and you can't just admit it. But it is happening. But let me guess, no it is not!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are no tourneys But everyone keeps holding onto this false belief that there is.... Its over Johnny! Everyone knows it but some parents cant just let go. ITS OVER! I'll say it again: ITS OVER!

FAKE NEWS

There was just a huge National Tournament this past weekend in Tennessee for the 2022s. So you Sir, are wrong!

Who cares? No college coaches were there.....waste of $$$$ for this age group.

There was a tournament in MD this past weekend that included teams from all age groups. I know it doesn't fit your narrative and you can't just admit it. But it is happening. But let me guess, no it is not!!!!

The naysayers can tell us that tournaments are not happening this summer all they want...But the truth is that tournaments have started back up this week ( Tennessee, Atlanta, MD, UA tryouts in FL ) and will most likely continue along with a few not happening. All are giving away film to college coaches. Of course lots are money related and who knows how much college coaches will actually base their recruits off of film. New world for a while until this virus is under control, For now July looks busy with lacrosse then ,,,who knows.

I think a lot of activity will be more clear once college/schools start back up and we see what direction most schools go.
91 sent out an email saying all tournamaents this summer will take place on long island
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 sent out an email saying all tournamaents this summer will take place on long island

Great. I can't wait to see some of the moms' for my weekly kisses. Spread the COVID! Thanks 91.
than why are we scheduled for a tourney next Saturday the 11th in Hillsborough NJ
Do you really think you’re going to jersey next weekend for a tournament?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are no tourneys But everyone keeps holding onto this false belief that there is.... Its over Johnny! Everyone knows it but some parents cant just let go. ITS OVER! I'll say it again: ITS OVER!
FAKE NEWS

There was just a huge National Tournament this past weekend in Tennessee for the 2022s. So you Sir, are wrong!

The bottom line there are going to be tournaments ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$) and people will sacrifice their freedoms and ability to participate in school and sports in the Fall with normalcy due to participating in them. There will not be Fall sports and this will all be because a few people needed to travel for summer lax (among a litany of other unnecessary indulgences). Shame.
My 2022 daughter still has 4 tournaments still happening this season. Two in July & two in August. I’m happy that she and her teammates will have some sense of normalcy, especially since they didn’t have a spring high school season. And I do believe it’s worth it just for the film even though the college coaches can’t attend in person. She’s already had a few D1 college coaches reach out to her club recruiting director expressing interest in her since Covid happened. And this interest is just by watching her on film during the quiet period. The college coaches are definitely looking at 22’s and they are watching film. For any girls who do want to play in college, these tourneys are still valuable opportunities for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are no tourneys But everyone keeps holding onto this false belief that there is.... Its over Johnny! Everyone knows it but some parents cant just let go. ITS OVER! I'll say it again: ITS OVER!

FAKE NEWS

There was just a huge National Tournament this past weekend in Tennessee for the 2022s. So you Sir, are wrong!

Who cares? No college coaches were there.....waste of $$$$ for this age group.

There was a tournament in MD this past weekend that included teams from all age groups. I know it doesn't fit your narrative and you can't just admit it. But it is happening. But let me guess, no it is not!!!!

The naysayers can tell us that tournaments are not happening this summer all they want...But the truth is that tournaments have started back up this week ( Tennessee, Atlanta, MD, UA tryouts in FL ) and will most likely continue along with a few not happening. All are giving away film to college coaches. Of course lots are money related and who knows how much college coaches will actually base their recruits off of film. New world for a while until this virus is under control, For now July looks busy with lacrosse then ,,,who knows.

I think a lot of activity will be more clear once college/schools start back up and we see what direction most schools go.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are no tourneys But everyone keeps holding onto this false belief that there is.... Its over Johnny! Everyone knows it but some parents cant just let go. ITS OVER! I'll say it again: ITS OVER!

FAKE NEWS

There was just a huge National Tournament this past weekend in Tennessee for the 2022s. So you Sir, are wrong!

Who cares? No college coaches were there.....waste of $$$$ for this age group.

There was a tournament in MD this past weekend that included teams from all age groups. I know it doesn't fit your narrative and you can't just admit it. But it is happening. But let me guess, no it is not!!!!

The naysayers can tell us that tournaments are not happening this summer all they want...But the truth is that tournaments have started back up this week ( Tennessee, Atlanta, MD, UA tryouts in FL ) and will most likely continue along with a few not happening. All are giving away film to college coaches. Of course lots are money related and who knows how much college coaches will actually base their recruits off of film. New world for a while until this virus is under control, For now July looks busy with lacrosse then ,,,who knows.

I think a lot of activity will be more clear once college/schools start back up and we see what direction most schools go.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My 2022 daughter still has 4 tournaments still happening this season. Two in July & two in August. I’m happy that she and her teammates will have some sense of normalcy, especially since they didn’t have a spring high school season. And I do believe it’s worth it just for the film even though the college coaches can’t attend in person. She’s already had a few D1 college coaches reach out to her club recruiting director expressing interest in her since Covid happened. And this interest is just by watching her on film during the quiet period. The college coaches are definitely looking at 22’s and they are watching film. For any girls who do want to play in college, these tourneys are still valuable opportunities for them.

Mo one cares mom .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are no tourneys But everyone keeps holding onto this false belief that there is.... Its over Johnny! Everyone knows it but some parents cant just let go. ITS OVER! I'll say it again: ITS OVER!

FAKE NEWS

There was just a huge National Tournament this past weekend in Tennessee for the 2022s. So you Sir, are wrong!

Who cares? No college coaches were there.....waste of $$$$ for this age group.

There was a tournament in MD this past weekend that included teams from all age groups. I know it doesn't fit your narrative and you can't just admit it. But it is happening. But let me guess, no it is not!!!!

The naysayers can tell us that tournaments are not happening this summer all they want...But the truth is that tournaments have started back up this week ( Tennessee, Atlanta, MD, UA tryouts in FL ) and will most likely continue along with a few not happening. All are giving away film to college coaches. Of course lots are money related and who knows how much college coaches will actually base their recruits off of film. New world for a while until this virus is under control, For now July looks busy with lacrosse then ,,,who knows.

I think a lot of activity will be more clear once college/schools start back up and we see what direction most schools go.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are no tourneys But everyone keeps holding onto this false belief that there is.... Its over Johnny! Everyone knows it but some parents cant just let go. ITS OVER! I'll say it again: ITS OVER!

FAKE NEWS

There was just a huge National Tournament this past weekend in Tennessee for the 2022s. So you Sir, are wrong!

Who cares? No college coaches were there.....waste of $$$$ for this age group.

There was a tournament in MD this past weekend that included teams from all age groups. I know it doesn't fit your narrative and you can't just admit it. But it is happening. But let me guess, no it is not!!!!

The naysayers can tell us that tournaments are not happening this summer all they want...But the truth is that tournaments have started back up this week ( Tennessee, Atlanta, MD, UA tryouts in FL ) and will most likely continue along with a few not happening. All are giving away film to college coaches. Of course lots are money related and who knows how much college coaches will actually base their recruits off of film. New world for a while until this virus is under control, For now July looks busy with lacrosse then ,,,who knows.

I think a lot of activity will be more clear once college/schools start back up and we see what direction most schools go.
FYI, college coaches only care about your film after they watched you in person and put you on their list of possible recruits. So, no college coaches at tourneys for the 21-24 age group does matter more then you think. There will be very limited recruiting this year so gear up and prepare for next spring. If your playing this summer for recruiting purposes it is a waste unless you actively have college coaches requesting film from you.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI, college coaches only care about your film after they watched you in person and put you on their list of possible recruits. So, no college coaches at tourneys for the 21-24 age group does matter more then you think. There will be very limited recruiting this year so gear up and prepare for next spring. If your playing this summer for recruiting purposes it is a waste unless you actively have college coaches requesting film from you.
In a normal year that may be true but numerous college coaches have stated that they will be watching more film and events are providing more cameras. The Crabs MD91 game gave a ton of exposure to those 2022 players.
College coaches.... Stop...Do you guys even know how much a Lax scholarship is worth? Basically nothing and it comes with a pack of chewed bubblegum. If your playing with teh hopes of your rockstar getting a scholarship then you will end up losing money in medical bills. Shakin my head...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI, college coaches only care about your film after they watched you in person and put you on their list of possible recruits. So, no college coaches at tourneys for the 21-24 age group does matter more then you think. There will be very limited recruiting this year so gear up and prepare for next spring. If your playing this summer for recruiting purposes it is a waste unless you actively have college coaches requesting film from you.
In a normal year that may be true but numerous college coaches have stated that they will be watching more film and events are providing more cameras. The Crabs MD91 game gave a ton of exposure to those 2022 players.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI, college coaches only care about your film after they watched you in person and put you on their list of possible recruits. So, no college coaches at tourneys for the 21-24 age group does matter more then you think. There will be very limited recruiting this year so gear up and prepare for next spring. If your playing this summer for recruiting purposes it is a waste unless you actively have college coaches requesting film from you.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
My 2022 daughter still has 4 tournaments still happening this season. Two in July & two in August. I’m happy that she and her teammates will have some sense of normalcy, especially since they didn’t have a spring high school season. And I do believe it’s worth it just for the film even though the college coaches can’t attend in person. She’s already had a few D1 college coaches reach out to her club recruiting director expressing interest in her since Covid happened. And this interest is just by watching her on film during the quiet period. The college coaches are definitely looking at 22’s and they are watching film. For any girls who do want to play in college, these tourneys are still valuable opportunities for them.

Mo one cares mom .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are no tourneys But everyone keeps holding onto this false belief that there is.... Its over Johnny! Everyone knows it but some parents cant just let go. ITS OVER! I'll say it again: ITS OVER!

FAKE NEWS

There was just a huge National Tournament this past weekend in Tennessee for the 2022s. So you Sir, are wrong!

Who cares? No college coaches were there.....waste of $$$$ for this age group.

There was a tournament in MD this past weekend that included teams from all age groups. I know it doesn't fit your narrative and you can't just admit it. But it is happening. But let me guess, no it is not!!!!

The naysayers can tell us that tournaments are not happening this summer all they want...But the truth is that tournaments have started back up this week ( Tennessee, Atlanta, MD, UA tryouts in FL ) and will most likely continue along with a few not happening. All are giving away film to college coaches. Of course lots are money related and who knows how much college coaches will actually base their recruits off of film. New world for a while until this virus is under control, For now July looks busy with lacrosse then ,,,who knows.

I think a lot of activity will be more clear once college/schools start back up and we see what direction most schools go.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are no tourneys But everyone keeps holding onto this false belief that there is.... Its over Johnny! Everyone knows it but some parents cant just let go. ITS OVER! I'll say it again: ITS OVER!

FAKE NEWS

There was just a huge National Tournament this past weekend in Tennessee for the 2022s. So you Sir, are wrong!

Who cares? No college coaches were there.....waste of $$$$ for this age group.

There was a tournament in MD this past weekend that included teams from all age groups. I know it doesn't fit your narrative and you can't just admit it. But it is happening. But let me guess, no it is not!!!!

The naysayers can tell us that tournaments are not happening this summer all they want...But the truth is that tournaments have started back up this week ( Tennessee, Atlanta, MD, UA tryouts in FL ) and will most likely continue along with a few not happening. All are giving away film to college coaches. Of course lots are money related and who knows how much college coaches will actually base their recruits off of film. New world for a while until this virus is under control, For now July looks busy with lacrosse then ,,,who knows.

I think a lot of activity will be more clear once college/schools start back up and we see what direction most schools go.

Don't know that any tournaments will continue as cases are peaking around the country. Also Under Armour pulled its sponsorship from all american games. Must be for a reason.
There was a tournament in MD this past weekend that included teams from all age groups. I know it doesn't fit your narrative and you can't just admit it. But it is happening. But let me guess, no it is not!!!![/quote]

The naysayers can tell us that tournaments are not happening this summer all they want...But the truth is that tournaments have started back up this week ( Tennessee, Atlanta, MD, UA tryouts in FL ) and will most likely continue along with a few not happening. All are giving away film to college coaches. Of course lots are money related and who knows how much college coaches will actually base their recruits off of film. New world for a while until this virus is under control, For now July looks busy with lacrosse then ,,,who knows.

I think a lot of activity will be more clear once college/schools start back up and we see what direction most schools go.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

Don't know that any tournaments will continue as cases are peaking around the country. Also Under Armour pulled its sponsorship from all american games. Must be for a reason.[/quote]

It looks like there are a decent amount of tournaments in the next week, so we will soon find out.
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[quote=Anonymous]

Don't know that any tournaments will continue as cases are peaking around the country. Also Under Armour pulled its sponsorship from all american games. Must be for a reason.

Under Armour is pretty much broke these days. Pulling sponsorship from a lot of places.
Great return to lax story on News 12 today. Hey
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]

Don't know that any tournaments will continue as cases are peaking around the country. Also Under Armour pulled its sponsorship from all american games. Must be for a reason.

Under Armour is pretty much broke these days. Pulling sponsorship from a lot of places.

Warrior sponsored the All American Games, try again.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]

Don't know that any tournaments will continue as cases are peaking around the country. Also Under Armour pulled its sponsorship from all american games. Must be for a reason.


Under Armour is pretty much broke these days. Pulling sponsorship from a lot of places.

Warrior sponsored the All American Games, try again.

If you are talking about the one at UMASS, good God, that thing was the biggest disaster I have ever seen. What a freaking money grab, I would have paid half to not go if I only knew!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]

Don't know that any tournaments will continue as cases are peaking around the country. Also Under Armour pulled its sponsorship from all american games. Must be for a reason.


Under Armour is pretty much broke these days. Pulling sponsorship from a lot of places.

Warrior sponsored the All American Games, try again.

If you are talking about the one at UMASS, good God, that thing was the biggest disaster I have ever seen. What a freaking money grab, I would have paid half to not go if I only knew!!


FYI... aside from PAL, it is all a money grab
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches.... Stop...Do you guys even know how much a Lax scholarship is worth? Basically nothing and it comes with a pack of chewed bubblegum. If your playing with teh hopes of your rockstar getting a scholarship then you will end up losing money in medical bills. Shakin my head...

Keep shaking your head. Just because lax scholarships are not full ride, they have value. Who doesn’t want $60-80k for an out of state school?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches.... Stop...Do you guys even know how much a Lax scholarship is worth? Basically nothing and it comes with a pack of chewed bubblegum. If your playing with teh hopes of your rockstar getting a scholarship then you will end up losing money in medical bills. Shakin my head...

Keep shaking your head. Just because lax scholarships are not full ride, they have value. Who doesn’t want $60-80k for an out of state school?
Whos getting 80k ??
Are tournaments really happening in DE this weekend and next week? That's insane. Just shut it down for the summer so kids can go back to school and play sports starting the fall.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are tournaments really happening in DE this weekend and next week? That's insane. Just shut it down for the summer so kids can go back to school and play sports starting the fall.

Fall sports (HS) are very likely going to get pushed to the later winter/early spring.
Travel clubs are as greedy as they come. Clearly putting money before health and safety. How can you explain no pro sports playing but travel lacrosse with kids is okay. No NBA, NHL or MLB. So sad! Travel clubs should be ashamed.
My bet is you will hear something this week to the effect that its too large of a "gathering". Lax parents are not the brightest to begin with so one of these events would be a Covid breeding ground. Aint happening

I get it, we have to live our lives and move on. But whats going on politically, a spike in the numbers only lessens the chances of our kids returning to school. I mean, PAL lacrosse is starting up, for what! People fail to realize, the fearless Governor of this state would love for the schools to remain closed. Read between the lines folks.
Deleware just added to NY/NJ/CT quarantine list. Anyone want to go to NLF or NALF and stay 2 extra weeks. Summer tourney season is pretty much officially over.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Deleware just added to NY/NJ/CT quarantine list. Anyone want to go to NLF or NALF and stay 2 extra weeks. Summer tourney season is pretty much officially over.

Somehow, club owners will try to place a spin on this.
https://abc7ny.com/health/new-york-new-jersey-connecticut-add-3-states-to-quarantine-list/6284542/
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Deleware just added to NY/NJ/CT quarantine list. Anyone want to go to NLF or NALF and stay 2 extra weeks. Summer tourney season is pretty much officially over.

Somehow, club owners will try to place a spin on this.
https://abc7ny.com/health/new-york-new-jersey-connecticut-add-3-states-to-quarantine-list/6284542/

People signing wavers, creating a paper trail, folks subjecting themselves to fines, COVID, etc all for a kids game. Better yet, some parents will call and ask the coach or club owner; if and what NYS could do (impose) if caught. Keep allowing owners to string you along.
They should scrap tourneys and just play local games. There are enough teams in the metro area to make it work. May be able to get gov officials comfortable as it's easier to social distance with individual games than tourneys. Not ideal but maybe more feasible than tourneys
What’s happening right now with these travel clubs is criminal. No communication, practices or refunds.
Call it a season and give some money back in good faith that we resume next spring.
Governor Cuomo just added Delaware to the list of states requiring 14 day quarantine. Does this put the final nail in the coffin? No parent is going travel to Delaware and then be expect to miss 14 days of work (be in quarantine).
Maryland will be next with the 4th of July festivities this weekend and all the out of towners coming in the last couple of weeks.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]

Don't know that any tournaments will continue as cases are peaking around the country. Also Under Armour pulled its sponsorship from all american games. Must be for a reason.

Under Armour is pretty much broke these days. Pulling sponsorship from a lot of places.

Warrior sponsored the All American Games, try again.

Your mixing up 2 different tournaments. The under armor all american games is a legit event for high school kids. The warrior all american games is a scam tournament run by 91. Warrior must have realized this because they no longer sponsor that tournament as well. Its now called just the "all american games"
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Governor Cuomo just added Delaware to the list of states requiring 14 day quarantine. Does this put the final nail in the coffin? No parent is going travel to Delaware and then be expect to miss 14 days of work (be in quarantine).

Express just announced that they pulled out of all July tourneys and that parents should cancel hotel reservations.

How long until August is cancelled?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Deleware just added to NY/NJ/CT quarantine list. Anyone want to go to NLF or NALF and stay 2 extra weeks. Summer tourney season is pretty much officially over.

It will happen and many teams from NY, NJ, Conn will be there. Just Relax. Until there is a vaccine , you will be in your cave hiding ( your right) . I intend to use common sense and try to go about my life which includes watching my son's lacrosse.
Travel to a hot spot, come back to NY and quarantine for 2 weeks. Makes a lot of sense to go watch your son/daughter play in 5 lacrosse games, NOT. Get a grip and be part of the solution.
All clubs should apply this years tuition to next season and regroup then. Practicing is not even safe let’s be truthful with how dangerous this virus is and put greed aside.
Tournament scheduled for hillsborough NJ this weekend, most 91 teams in it
Legacy is the only club having tryouts at $100+
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Tournament scheduled for hillsborough NJ this weekend, most 91 teams in it

Of course they are as they will be in future out of state tournaments.
Standing around hot sweaty fields with masks on and a virus in the air. Just to try and get some youth lacrosse in. Sounds awful. And is notIntelligent. I'll be at the beach. Enjoy.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Travel to a hot spot, come back to NY and quarantine for 2 weeks. Makes a lot of sense to go watch your son/daughter play in 5 lacrosse games, NOT. Get a grip and be part of the solution.

Not trying to get involved in the back forth on the merits of playing, or not, but I was curious as to whether the difference in opinions has any relation to the age of your child. While many 2024's and younger may not really care either way, many of the 2023s and older who missed the high school season, and have an interest in college lacrosse, may be more motivated to play.
Recon Giving back $500 towards next year they said.
All clubs should folllow that lead and call it a season, regroup in 2021...
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Recon Giving back $500 towards next year they said.
Umm,, that’s not giving back. That’s giving a store credit.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Recon Giving back $500 towards next year they said.
Umm,, that’s not giving back. That’s giving a store credit.

At least they made the effort, not like the rest of them. Some are holding paid tryouts and some are starting their monthly installments very soon.
If cxld? Its already over people. Ur getting milked. Cut your.losses and move on. Ivy league JUST CXLD ALL FALL SPORTS. BUT THERE IS GONNA BE A 13 YR OLD.LAX TOURNEY? NOT!!! MOVE ON WITHOUT YOUR REFUND . THE FAT LADY HAS SUNG....ARE YOU FOOLS LISTENING?
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If cxld? Its already over people. Ur getting milked. Cut your.losses and move on. Ivy league JUST CXLD ALL FALL SPORTS. BUT THERE IS GONNA BE A 13 YR OLD.LAX TOURNEY? NOT!!! MOVE ON WITHOUT YOUR REFUND . THE FAT LADY HAS SUNG....ARE YOU FOOLS LISTENING?

Over? Did you say over?
NOTHING IS OVER UNTIL WE DECIDE IT IS OVER!
WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If cxld? Its already over people. Ur getting milked. Cut your.losses and move on. Ivy league JUST CXLD ALL FALL SPORTS. BUT THERE IS GONNA BE A 13 YR OLD.LAX TOURNEY? NOT!!! MOVE ON WITHOUT YOUR REFUND . THE FAT LADY HAS SUNG....ARE YOU FOOLS LISTENING?

There are tournaments happening right now.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Deleware just added to NY/NJ/CT quarantine list. Anyone want to go to NLF or NALF and stay 2 extra weeks. Summer tourney season is pretty much officially over.

It will happen and many teams from NY, NJ, Conn will be there. Just Relax. Until there is a vaccine , you will be in your cave hiding ( your right) . I intend to use common sense and try to go about my life which includes watching my son's lacrosse.

And because of you - yes you - the below cut and pasted URL is happening and will continue to happen at monumental levels. I am not saying every kid plays lax to play in college but its nice that its an option. This is shortsighted thinking by these moronic directors and foolish parents. If many colleges cancel sports including lacrosse (to date its only Furman) then they wont be able to charge 3500 per kid bc kids wont play if there is no endgame. The reason the majority of kids play travel lax in 9th-12th grade is to play somewhere in college from DI to DIII. If we had a handle on this pandemic and socially distanced and stayed local in our communities and stopped the spread, colleges would open and sports could be played. I don't understand how 6 weeks of travel lax - AMONG A LITANY OF OTHER THINGS (beaches, bars, etc . . ) is worth it. Clearly its just me.

Cincinnati, Stanford, and 17 other Division I schools are permanently eliminating dozens of sports programs in an unexpected loss from the pandemic
https://www.insider.com/college-sports-programs-cut-due-to-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-7
Expect a spike in cases among young athletes by next week because of all the sports opening back up. Then everything will get turned back to phase one and death rates will spike. Just call it a day already...
Anyone going to a lacrosse tournament in the next few days is a stunad. And so are the organizers. Look what happened in the rest of the country. The "opened up" and it backfired big time and now they're in major trouble. And they're bringing the rest of the country down with them. Many of best colleges not opening in fall, colleges cutting sports, etc. Everyone should have just been a little more patient until we got this thing under control. NYers don't be notIntelligent like the rest of the country. It's friggin youth lacrosse. Just relax this summer, work (if you still have a job), and spend time with your family at the beach.

Lacrosse parents aren't the smartest people walking the face of the earth. I get people under a specific age can weather the COVID storm, but the liberals are not concerned about that. They are only concerned about the numbers. Why do you think the Governor is putting off making a decision on the schools until early August. Wait until September when you are stuck home with your ADHD, spoiled brat children. Only blame yourself.
Youth sports just don’t make sense right now with what’s happening all over the country and just a state away from where we are on LI. The spread will not slow if we don’t change our habits and socializing is a big issue with tournaments. Look at the professional and college sports being put on hold. Its all being done to mitigate the spread and practice important safety measures.
Just curious, and this is for all the Pro-Lax, Lax-is-life'rs: Why are you so hellbent on having tournaments in lieu of what is occurring right now? What is the actual upside?
It is Hilarious how the nay sayers are so concerned about some poorly attended lacrosse tournaments where most people are usually separated by some distance, We just had many weeks with thousands upon thousands of people running amok around all cities without a peep out of many of these same naysayers. Now all of the sudden a few lacrosse tournaments with HS and below children will be the end of civilization as virus will over run us all. LOL

The kids need to get out and have some fun at a sport many love.. Parents can practice common sense at tournaments and after.

Thank God the naysayers were not the first pioneers in this country, We would still be in England moaning about harsh conditions in America while sipping tea and eating crumpets .
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Just curious, and this is for all the Pro-Lax, Lax-is-life'rs: Why are you so hellbent on having tournaments in lieu of what is occurring right now? What is the actual upside?

Get out of house . Many of us dont think it is bad as you do. Without a vaccine nothing will be different than it is today for years to come. When is vaccine coming?? Next year at earliest, if even then. At risk people and especially old people will need to avoid non risk people as best they can and we should be aware of them too. Common sense.

I dont intend to live my life holed up in my house wearing a mask and gloves until a vaccine is discovered or some cure. Or avoid anything that isnt perfect to avoid virus.

If you are young or not at risk, go about life with common sense for next few years. Large Public events ( lacrosse sure isnt ) Football, BB, etc etc will need to be addressed with common sense and handled different along with some others but outdoor lacrosse tournaments are easily handled.
Clubs that charging for tryouts in August how creedy can you bee. How about some kind of refund ? Legacy $100 what about the the season since March i paid for ? Express taking out that last payment and nothing going on . Turtles has a price already set for 2020-2021 and its As much or more than last year and want decision if you’re coming back July 15 and first payment is due September 1 not getting equipment just the helmet from last year. People really really think about committing before there is a good plan in place . Whats 91 , igloo , S2S , empire , rush , rebels story ??? Expose these clubs .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just curious, and this is for all the Pro-Lax, Lax-is-life'rs: Why are you so hellbent on having tournaments in lieu of what is occurring right now? What is the actual upside?
Why do you come on every day and post your slanted narrative?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just curious, and this is for all the Pro-Lax, Lax-is-life'rs: Why are you so hellbent on having tournaments in lieu of what is occurring right now? What is the actual upside?

To be honest, it is a difficult situation. While I agree that these things must be approached with caution, I did experience the impact that cancelled school and spring season had mentally on my son. Once practices started, his disposition was noticeably different. I know that the virus is real, but the mental toll on these kids could be much worse in the long run. I am not advocating either way, just trying to shed some light on why parents might want to seek out a bit of normalcy for their kids. Frankly, I think that small local play days would be the best option, but hard to convince clubs to simply play their rivals from down the road.

Kids feed off their parents. Show your kid how to fill the void with something else constructive which is beneficial and joyful. Life lessons; don't run, capitalize off of them...
Guy above nailed it
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just curious, and this is for all the Pro-Lax, Lax-is-life'rs: Why are you so hellbent on having tournaments in lieu of what is occurring right now? What is the actual upside?

To be honest, it is a difficult situation. While I agree that these things must be approached with caution, I did experience the impact that cancelled school and spring season had mentally on my son. Once practices started, his disposition was noticeably different. I know that the virus is real, but the mental toll on these kids could be much worse in the long run. I am not advocating either way, just trying to shed some light on why parents might want to seek out a bit of normalcy for their kids. Frankly, I think that small local play days would be the best option, but hard to convince clubs to simply play their rivals from down the road.

Kids feed of their parents. Show your kid how to fill the void with something else constructive which is beneficial and joyful. Life lessons don't run, capitalize off of them...

I don't necessarily disagree, but as kids get older, they start to form their own views on life, and it is hard to change those views. The irony is that we want our kids to grow up and start to make their own decisions based upon the (hopefully positive) influences that we have provided. Bottom line, while some people see this as an easy decision (either way), there are those of us that are very conflicted over the situation. Again, not trying to suggest that either choice is right or wrong, and definitely not looking for any life advice from some anonymous person on this forum, just trying to answer the question as to what is the "actual upside", as asked by the original poster.
Professional sport organizations with tons of money and “living in a bubble” can’t make it happen in a responsible manner with their players getting infected and ultimately some of them not playing the season. If people really want their kids in school with a chance to play sports then why are there any tournaments at this point? So irresponsible, the same people that are complaining about not being able to play this summer will be the same ones complaining this fall when school starts (if it does) and there are no sports. So short sighted.
It’s not an easy decision to make, it’s about the safety of our society as a whole and putting life as we knew it on hold for a bit longer. There’s no fun in disrupting our daily lives but this too shall pass. If we regroup next year when we know more about the virus we as whole we will be better for it. Put the money aside just give us a clear direction that follows safety and health protocols.
Not everyone thinks unselfishly . Thats the reason this thing is spreading . I guess world needs herd ammunity....
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Professional sport organizations with tons of money and “living in a bubble” can’t make it happen in a responsible manner with their players getting infected and ultimately some of them not playing the season. If people really want their kids in school with a chance to play sports then why are there any tournaments at this point? So irresponsible, the same people that are complaining about not being able to play this summer will be the same ones complaining this fall when school starts (if it does) and there are no sports. So short sighted.

Totally agree. Is there an upside having lacrosse tournaments at this point in time? My main concern, centers around schools reopening on time. If we haven't played any meaningful lacrosse at this point, which includes school ball, what is the sense of starting now.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
putting life as we knew it on hold for a bit longer.


Two weeks....

Two months...

Two years?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Professional sport organizations with tons of money and “living in a bubble” can’t make it happen in a responsible manner with their players getting infected and ultimately some of them not playing the season. If people really want their kids in school with a chance to play sports then why are there any tournaments at this point? So irresponsible, the same people that are complaining about not being able to play this summer will be the same ones complaining this fall when school starts (if it does) and there are no sports. So short sighted.

Totally agree. Is there an upside having lacrosse tournaments at this point in time? My main concern, centers around schools reopening on time. If we haven't played any meaningful lacrosse at this point, which includes school ball, what is the sense of starting now.

Schools will not be 'as usual this fsll
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
putting life as we knew it on hold for a bit longer.


Two weeks....

Two months...

Two years?

That is the point many seem to not get. A vaccine is at least a year away at the minimum, it may even be longer if ever. Some viruses still have no vaccine.

For the whole country to live like a hermit until then is sad in so many ways. At risk people need to be protected , the rest of us , need to accept some risk and go about life. If you dont feel comfortable, stay home for a year or two, I am not.
Hermit? No. You can still do things. Just not gather 1000 screaming crazy parents that think their 12 yr old is Paul Rabil, under a tent that holds germs no less, in the middle of some run down field for 8 hrs. And across state lines in some case .... Thats a great way to contain spreading of the virus...NOT . What this virus has shown is that many people lack the ability to entertain or interact with their kids for whatever reason. Maybe a red solo cup is more important. I dont know as fortunately I do not fall into that category of "I need to keep my kid busy and lax is the only source of doing that".

So true.
Why 2021? Do you know there will be a vaccine?
What about 2022?
[quote=Anonymous]Hermit? No. You can still do things. Just not gather 1000 screaming crazy parents that think their 12 yr old is Paul Rabil, under a tent that holds germs no less, in the middle of some run down field for 8 hrs. And across state lines in some case .... Thats a great way to contain spreading of the virus...NOT . What this virus has shown is that many people lack the ability to entertain or interact with their kids for whatever reason. Maybe a red solo cup is more important. I dont know as fortunately I do not fall into that category of "I need to keep my kid busy and lax is the only source of doing that".


You're a far left right wing antifa write your own narrative and think you're better than everyone else person..... aren't you?
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gather 1000 screaming crazy parents ... under a tent that holds germs no less.

I you sure those were lacrosse tournaments you were attending?
Spitting facts, not venom. Not to be able to recognize that lends credibility to the statement above. Noone is stopping you from playing beer-pong. I hope you win. And I hope you remain safe. And I hope your Paul Rabil scores 1000 goals and gets the brightest tee shirt! And for the guy that asked about 2021...this is something that is day by day. You have to take it 1 day at a time. Be safe.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hermit? No. You can still do things. Just not gather 1000 screaming crazy parents that think their 12 yr old is Paul Rabil, under a tent that holds germs no less, in the middle of some run down field for 8 hrs. And across state lines in some case .... Thats a great way to contain spreading of the virus...NOT . What this virus has shown is that many people lack the ability to entertain or interact with their kids for whatever reason. Maybe a red solo cup is more important. I dont know as fortunately I do not fall into that category of "I need to keep my kid busy and lax is the only source of doing that".

So true.

What lacrosse tournament you attending.with a thousand screaming parents ?? Sounds like a fun tournament. Since virus spread, Tournaments are less populated and people seem to be keeping away for most part. Some wearing masks some not. At least the One I have attended and others I have watched on internet .

I like your ambiguous " do things" . If that involves going out anywhere or meeting anyone including children, you are a hypocrite. The only full proof way to stop the spread is turn you and your family into hermits until a vaccine or cure is spread thru out the country. Which may or may not happen in next year or two. Good luck with your great ability to entertain your children in your home next year or two ! LOL..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hermit? No. You can still do things. Just not gather 1000 screaming crazy parents that think their 12 yr old is Paul Rabil, under a tent that holds germs no less, in the middle of some run down field for 8 hrs. And across state lines in some case .... Thats a great way to contain spreading of the virus...NOT . What this virus has shown is that many people lack the ability to entertain or interact with their kids for whatever reason. Maybe a red solo cup is more important. I dont know as fortunately I do not fall into that category of "I need to keep my kid busy and lax is the only source of doing that".

So true.

Might want to come down off that mountain and join us poor mere mortals Mr Holier than Tho . Difference between you and me is that I dont care what you do with your life in this free country, Somehow you think you can tell me how to lead my life.
This is a lacrosse board and not a trip to your psychiatrist. I must have hooked someone who didn't get much attention as a child so I apologize for that. If a lacrosse tourney is the only way you can interact with Paul Rabil Jr then when the tournaments are cancelled, I suggest you use that free time to figure it all out. Or try to chase down a refund. End result: No tournaments No refunds.

And to the guy that is watching kiddie Lacrosse on the internet? REALLY man? That's a little creepy. I bet all those around you are very proud.

And "Your Welcome" to all the readers out there that are enjoying the bludgeoning these clowns are taking. Let's stick to Lacrosse on this forum. Thank you!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hermit? No. You can still do things. Just not gather 1000 screaming crazy parents that think their 12 yr old is Paul Rabil, under a tent that holds germs no less, in the middle of some run down field for 8 hrs. And across state lines in some case .... Thats a great way to contain spreading of the virus...NOT . What this virus has shown is that many people lack the ability to entertain or interact with their kids for whatever reason. Maybe a red solo cup is more important. I dont know as fortunately I do not fall into that category of "I need to keep my kid busy and lax is the only source of doing that".

So true.

Excellent Troll post, I am sure your husband is proud, now can wet back to being serious here.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a lacrosse board and not a trip to your psychiatrist. I must have hooked someone who didn't get much attention as a child so I apologize for that. If a lacrosse tourney is the only way you can interact with Paul Rabil Jr then when the tournaments are cancelled, I suggest you use that free time to figure it all out. Or try to chase down a refund. End result: No tournaments No refunds.

And to the guy that is watching kiddie Lacrosse on the internet? REALLY man? That's a little creepy. I bet all those around you are very proud.

And "Your Welcome" to all the readers out there that are enjoying the bludgeoning these clowns are taking. Let's stick to Lacrosse on this forum. Thank you!

If by bludgeoning you mean sitting back and watching my kid play a lacrosse game last night enjoying a tasty beverage...Then bludgeon all day my friend
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a lacrosse board and not a trip to your psychiatrist. I must have hooked someone who didn't get much attention as a child so I apologize for that. If a lacrosse tourney is the only way you can interact with Paul Rabil Jr then when the tournaments are cancelled, I suggest you use that free time to figure it all out. Or try to chase down a refund. End result: No tournaments No refunds.

And to the guy that is watching kiddie Lacrosse on the internet? REALLY man? That's a little creepy. I bet all those around you are very proud.

And "Your Welcome" to all the readers out there that are enjoying the bludgeoning these clowns are taking. Let's stick to Lacrosse on this forum. Thank you!

Relax there Francis, take your own advice before your head explodes from your superior intellectual adult brain.. LOL.
Received email from this one club, "Do you want to be a _____"
Dear Liberal MSM kool aid drinker and serial doomer,

Please actually educate yourself on the true facts instead of regurgitating the sky is falling talking points you receive from your daily dose of panic porn from your beloved fake news. How about you go to the actual CDC website and review the data and then try to explain why, with all of the opening back up, the hospitalization and death rate continues to plummet? Or the fact that the "spike" is due to combined testing of active infections and antibody tests and increased daily testing to over 600,000 per day. Or that the relative number of deaths is the direct result of terrible governor's forcing the infected into nursing homes to account for close to 50% nationwide(most of whom were already past the statistical age of death). Fun fact: Life expectancy in the US=78.6, median age of COVID death=80. Oh wait, this will fall on deaf ears as I almost forgot that liberals can only exist in their own echo chambers and are incapable of reason and logic and understanding facts. You have only "bludgeoned" yourself with your bs rhetoric. If you're obese and have a co-morbidity or two, stay home please.

PS: I had it, tested positive, slept for two days with headache and fever, quarantined for a full month back in April. Kids all tested positive for antibodies in May and were asymptomatic.

Now back to Lacrosse. Anyone else go to the Baltimore Showcase, Delaware Invitational or Northeast Showdown this week? Those boys had some fun in the sun!!! Great week of lacrosse! If your club is not playing, cut your losses and move on to another.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dear Liberal MSM kool aid drinker and serial doomer,

Please actually educate yourself on the true facts instead of regurgitating the sky is falling talking points you receive from your daily dose of panic porn from your beloved fake news. How about you go to the actual CDC website and review the data and then try to explain why, with all of the opening back up, the hospitalization and death rate continues to plummet? Or the fact that the "spike" is due to combined testing of active infections and antibody tests and increased daily testing to over 600,000 per day. Or that the relative number of deaths is the direct result of terrible governor's forcing the infected into nursing homes to account for close to 50% nationwide(most of whom were already past the statistical age of death). Fun fact: Life expectancy in the US=78.6, median age of COVID death=80. Oh wait, this will fall on deaf ears as I almost forgot that liberals can only exist in their own echo chambers and are incapable of reason and logic and understanding facts. You have only "bludgeoned" yourself with your bs rhetoric. If you're obese and have a co-morbidity or two, stay home please.

PS: I had it, tested positive, slept for two days with headache and fever, quarantined for a full month back in April. Kids all tested positive for antibodies in May and were asymptomatic.

Now back to Lacrosse. Anyone else go to the Baltimore Showcase, Delaware Invitational or Northeast Showdown this week? Those boys had some fun in the sun!!! Great week of lacrosse! If your club is not playing, cut your losses and move on to another.

Dominoes - Fall sports will be cancelled for 6 weeks of lax and outdoor necessities. dense
https://www.wralsportsfan.com/ciaa-suspends-all-fall-sports-activity-due-to-covid-19/19181907/
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dear Liberal MSM kool aid drinker and serial doomer,

Please actually educate yourself on the true facts instead of regurgitating the sky is falling talking points you receive from your daily dose of panic porn from your beloved fake news. How about you go to the actual CDC website and review the data and then try to explain why, with all of the opening back up, the hospitalization and death rate continues to plummet? Or the fact that the "spike" is due to combined testing of active infections and antibody tests and increased daily testing to over 600,000 per day. Or that the relative number of deaths is the direct result of terrible governor's forcing the infected into nursing homes to account for close to 50% nationwide(most of whom were already past the statistical age of death). Fun fact: Life expectancy in the US=78.6, median age of COVID death=80. Oh wait, this will fall on deaf ears as I almost forgot that liberals can only exist in their own echo chambers and are incapable of reason and logic and understanding facts. You have only "bludgeoned" yourself with your bs rhetoric. If you're obese and have a co-morbidity or two, stay home please.

PS: I had it, tested positive, slept for two days with headache and fever, quarantined for a full month back in April. Kids all tested positive for antibodies in May and were asymptomatic.

Now back to Lacrosse. Anyone else go to the Baltimore Showcase, Delaware Invitational or Northeast Showdown this week? Those boys had some fun in the sun!!! Great week of lacrosse! If your club is not playing, cut your losses and move on to another.

Dominoes - Fall sports will be cancelled for 6 weeks of lax and outdoor necessities. dense
https://www.wralsportsfan.com/ciaa-suspends-all-fall-sports-activity-due-to-covid-19/19181907/

Hands clapping; You tested positive. Now listen to you wife and take the garbage out. You sound like a lax parent I know!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hermit? No. You can still do things. Just not gather 1000 screaming crazy parents that think their 12 yr old is Paul Rabil, under a tent that holds germs no less, in the middle of some run down field for 8 hrs. And across state lines in some case .... Thats a great way to contain spreading of the virus...NOT . What this virus has shown is that many people lack the ability to entertain or interact with their kids for whatever reason. Maybe a red solo cup is more important. I dont know as fortunately I do not fall into that category of "I need to keep my kid busy and lax is the only source of doing that".

So true.

Might want to come down off that mountain and join us poor mere mortals Mr Holier than Tho . Difference between you and me is that I dont care what you do with your life in this free country, Somehow you think you can tell me how to lead my life.

Here's what you don't get. If you want to do something reckless that only affects you and your family, have at it. But when you meatheads are doing reckless things that affects other people, it is my business. Because you are going to spread the virus, and those who you affect will spread the virus, and then people will die, people will lose jobs, schools will be shut down act. It's amazing that this virus has been here 6 months and everyone sees what's going on with the states wouldn't use good judgment and you people are still saying the "free country" garbage. Liberate me so I can go to a youth lacrosse tournament! The whole world is pitying us (and Brazil).
Better then sitting on the sidelines at Express
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches.... Stop...Do you guys even know how much a Lax scholarship is worth? Basically nothing and it comes with a pack of chewed bubblegum. If your playing with teh hopes of your rockstar getting a scholarship then you will end up losing money in medical bills. Shakin my head...

Keep shaking your head. Just because lax scholarships are not full ride, they have value. Who doesn’t want $60-80k for an out of state school?
Whos getting 80k ??

Anyone with a 30% scholarship at Duke or some other private school. To be clear that the amount over 4 years.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hermit? No. You can still do things. Just not gather 1000 screaming crazy parents that think their 12 yr old is Paul Rabil, under a tent that holds germs no less, in the middle of some run down field for 8 hrs. And across state lines in some case .... Thats a great way to contain spreading of the virus...NOT . What this virus has shown is that many people lack the ability to entertain or interact with their kids for whatever reason. Maybe a red solo cup is more important. I dont know as fortunately I do not fall into that category of "I need to keep my kid busy and lax is the only source of doing that".

So true.

Might want to come down off that mountain and join us poor mere mortals Mr Holier than Tho . Difference between you and me is that I dont care what you do with your life in this free country, Somehow you think you can tell me how to lead my life.

Here's what you don't get. If you want to do something reckless that only affects you and your family, have at it. But when you meatheads are doing reckless things that affects other people, it is my business. Because you are going to spread the virus, and those who you affect will spread the virus, and then people will die, people will lose jobs, schools will be shut down act. It's amazing that this virus has been here 6 months and everyone sees what's going on with the states wouldn't use good judgment and you people are still saying the "free country" garbage. Liberate me so I can go to a youth lacrosse tournament! The whole world is pitying us (and Brazil).

Got it,,You are against people having freedom , or as you say " Free country garbage". Right there is the difference between you and me. You would have been a great loyalist back in 1770's. I can hear you now , The King knows what best for us, stop causing trouble and spreading this Freedom thing or " people will die, people will lose jobs, schools will be shut down" .

If you take all the summer youth lacrosse tournaments and combine parents and players, that total amount of people would not even add up the total amount of people for One night of protest/rioting in any One city last month. Spare us your holier than tho self, The tournament sidelines have responsible people using common sense, which means, some wearing of masks, distancing etc.

Hide yourself and your children in your closet and do what you think is right, you have at minimum until end of 2021 till any vaccine will be effective on the entire US according to drug industry, And that is getting everything right, which is a stretch since government is full of people like you.
My kid will be entering the recruiting phase next year. For us, I don't see the point traveling out of state to attend a tournament without college recruiters in attendance. School ball is even a question mark at this point. Maintain physical conditioning, skills, etc and remain ready when the gates open. Right now as a family, we have time to enjoy some things that were placed on the back burner when we ran around like lunatics from practice to weekend tournaments. Families that want to attend tournaments, that's fine, those who don't, that's fine too. The empirical data, name calling is all unnecessary. Do what YOU feel is best for your family. Just remember, clubs were formed to make money.
My club has informed us that they will not be refunding any money, they said it says that there are no refunds in the contract. They have also canceled all away tournaments and are looking to schedule some scrimmages. They state that the tournaments we were supposed to enter do not give refunds. Is this true? Will tournaments not return the money paid by the clubs if the don't go and the tournament is still on? Seems hard to believe! No happy!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches.... Stop...Do you guys even know how much a Lax scholarship is worth? Basically nothing and it comes with a pack of chewed bubblegum. If your playing with teh hopes of your rockstar getting a scholarship then you will end up losing money in medical bills. Shakin my head...

Keep shaking your head. Just because lax scholarships are not full ride, they have value. Who doesn’t want $60-80k for an out of state school?
Whos getting 80k ??

Anyone with a 30% scholarship at Duke or some other private school. To be clear that the amount over 4 years.

My kids both did very well with their scholarships. Both get 40k to schools in the to 50 (one top 20)
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My club has informed us that they will not be refunding any money, they said it says that there are no refunds in the contract. They have also canceled all away tournaments and are looking to schedule some scrimmages. They state that the tournaments we were supposed to enter do not give refunds. Is this true? Will tournaments not return the money paid by the clubs if the don't go and the tournament is still on? Seems hard to believe! No happy!!

Tournaments probably rolling fees to a later date...how late? who knows. Towns/schools don’t return educational tax dollars when my kids didn’t get the same experience with remote learning so I’m not expecting money back when our year-long club lacrosse service got interupted. Definitely curious to see how the fall/winter plays out....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My club has informed us that they will not be refunding any money, they said it says that there are no refunds in the contract. They have also canceled all away tournaments and are looking to schedule some scrimmages. They state that the tournaments we were supposed to enter do not give refunds. Is this true? Will tournaments not return the money paid by the clubs if the don't go and the tournament is still on? Seems hard to believe! No happy!!

Tournaments probably rolling fees to a later date...how late? who knows. Towns/schools don’t return educational tax dollars when my kids didn’t get the same experience with remote learning so I’m not expecting money back when our year-long club lacrosse service got interupted. Definitely curious to see how the fall/winter plays out....

Okay, hold that thought. So what does one do when a club wants to begin the payment plan rolling again in September. I can't see paying, then hoping we get what we paid for. Better yet, if we agree to come back in September, pay, what are we entitled to?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches.... Stop...Do you guys even know how much a Lax scholarship is worth? Basically nothing and it comes with a pack of chewed bubblegum. If your playing with teh hopes of your rockstar getting a scholarship then you will end up losing money in medical bills. Shakin my head...

Keep shaking your head. Just because lax scholarships are not full ride, they have value. Who doesn’t want $60-80k for an out of state school?
Whos getting 80k ??

Anyone with a 30% scholarship at Duke or some other private school. To be clear that the amount over 4 years.

My kids both did very well with their scholarships. Both get 40k to schools in the to 50 (one top 20)

So I guess it raises the question of whether Mr. Shakin my head knows knows how much a lax scholarship is worth. Partial scholarships have value, rather its 10% of the cost of attendance or 50% plus. No reason a young man shouldn't hope to be seen and strive for some money. It may help one afford a school they may not have considered otherwise.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches.... Stop...Do you guys even know how much a Lax scholarship is worth? Basically nothing and it comes with a pack of chewed bubblegum. If your playing with teh hopes of your rockstar getting a scholarship then you will end up losing money in medical bills. Shakin my head...

Keep shaking your head. Just because lax scholarships are not full ride, they have value. Who doesn’t want $60-80k for an out of state school?
Whos getting 80k ??

Anyone with a 30% scholarship at Duke or some other private school. To be clear that the amount over 4 years.

My kids both did very well with their scholarships. Both get 40k to schools in the to 50 (one top 20)

My son is Looking at a D2 school. The spell out their academic scholarships. You have to have above a 3.0 and score 1200 SAT. If my son keeps up his grades, 3.6 now, and gets a 1200 or higher, we are looking at 35%, 1300, 45%. While lacrosse skill maters, grades are everything, unless you are a top 10 player.. study harder folks..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My club has informed us that they will not be refunding any money, they said it says that there are no refunds in the contract. They have also canceled all away tournaments and are looking to schedule some scrimmages. They state that the tournaments we were supposed to enter do not give refunds. Is this true? Will tournaments not return the money paid by the clubs if the don't go and the tournament is still on? Seems hard to believe! No happy!!

Tournaments probably rolling fees to a later date...how late? who knows. Towns/schools don’t return educational tax dollars when my kids didn’t get the same experience with remote learning so I’m not expecting money back when our year-long club lacrosse service got interupted. Definitely curious to see how the fall/winter plays out....

Okay, hold that thought. So what does one do when a club wants to begin the payment plan rolling again in September. I can't see paying, then hoping we get what we paid for. Better yet, if we agree to come back in September, pay, what are we entitled to?

I'd say any club that is looking for money so early on is showing their greed. If you want to take $100-$200 for the Fall to reserve a roster spot then work out the payment plan at a different date once you can get clarity on what is happening with the money that is in limbo right now.....that is probably the way it should go.
All these clubs made payments to tournaments that haven't returned money because they keep rescheduling. Can't make plans for next season until these tournaments either happen or return money to clubs
Why won’t the clubs just tell us what’s going to happen so we can plan our summer? Put the money to the side it’s quality of life right now! The virus has ruined all social events can’t we just accept it and move on?
BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN! Thats the issue. Not quite sure how Travel Lax will play tournaments in July and August like they claim. Common sense says they wont. They need one legit program to come out and say "the safety of the players is what matters most and in this environment, without real direction, we are shutting it down and will re-evaluate in August".

The issue there is that the wacko parents will be blowing up their phones, mandating tournaments, etc. So to appease (keep them quiet) the clubs feed them all of these ficticious tournaments and have "Under the radar" practices. All in the name of buying time and silence. The whole system is flawed.
BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN! Thats the issue. Not quite sure how Travel Lax will play tournaments in July and August like they claim. Common sense says they wont. They need one legit program to come out and say "the safety of the players is what matters most and in this environment, without real direction, we are shutting it down and will re-evaluate in August".

The issue there is that the wacko parents will be blowing up their phones, mandating tournaments, etc. So to appease (keep them quiet) the clubs feed them all of these ficticious tournaments and have "Under the radar" practices. All in the name of buying time and silence. The whole system is flawed.
Clubs are going to risk our kids/families health so they can keep our money.
How was NJ able to host a tournament this weekend? I was under the assumption their phases were parallel to NY.
NJ is classifying lacrosse as moderate, not high risk where I believe NY is classifying it as high risk. So Lacrosse outdoors is permitted as is baseball, softball and soccer.
Out of the tuition that you paid, how much do you feel you are owed? You had Fall Tourneys, got all your gear and had a full winter training along with all of the recent "fluff" practices... $500?
Our club is doing a fantastic job. Earliest to get kids back at practice, arranging local tournaments/play days in lieu of the travel tournaments we were scheduled for, filming everything and providing the film for free. I’m not sure what else they could do...I want them to be around when this is done so I’m fine taking a credit or eating the difference between the travel tournament costs and the local ones.

I know their numbers next year will be weaker because the younger kids won’t sign up in the same numbers. I doubt they’re living it up.
What the heck are you doing with practice film?
I love when I see statements like "providing film for free". It's not free, you paid a small fortune for this "season" but you read in an email from your club that free film will be provided at a play day and you believe it.
It's similar to clubs telling us practices are not mandatory. Of course they're not, I paid for them!! It's like a restaurant owner telling me I don't have to finish a meal that I buy.
The College Patriot League just cancelled all fall sports! I sure hope these LAX practices for our kids is worth it!
Practices for what? Just so people's kids have something to do? Or practice for the Keep-your-fingers-crossed tournaments that are going to be cxld??
College universities are thinking about getting rid of non-revenue sports. Taking such a crushing amount of money from Football and basketball that carries all other sports . I bet you wont see lacrosse scholarships in the future.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why won’t the clubs just tell us what’s going to happen so we can plan our summer? Put the money to the side it’s quality of life right now! The virus has ruined all social events can’t we just accept it and move on?

Tournaments are happening. This weekend , next week and will continue into August. Very few teams are staying away from tournaments at this time. Next week NLF Championship will be in DE. Will see who shows up. That is a big one with teams coming from all over country including CA, TX, South, NE, etc. Nothing on Tourney Machine yet.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our club is doing a fantastic job. Earliest to get kids back at practice, arranging local tournaments/play days in lieu of the travel tournaments we were scheduled for, filming everything and providing the film for free. I’m not sure what else they could do...I want them to be around when this is done so I’m fine taking a credit or eating the difference between the travel tournament costs and the local ones.

I know their numbers next year will be weaker because the younger kids won’t sign up in the same numbers. I doubt they’re living it up.

Found the team director...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why won’t the clubs just tell us what’s going to happen so we can plan our summer? Put the money to the side it’s quality of life right now! The virus has ruined all social events can’t we just accept it and move on?

Tournaments are happening. This weekend , next week and will continue into August. Very few teams are staying away from tournaments at this time. Next week NLF Championship will be in DE. Will see who shows up. That is a big one with teams coming from all over country including CA, TX, South, NE, etc. Nothing on Tourney Machine yet.

You are exactly right. It's like people are sticking there head in the sand...."Why won't clubs tell us what is happening"....Open your eyes and look for yourself at what is happening and figure it out. I get it that the money hurts, but a lot of these clubs are playing in tournaments and practicing all over the country. So maybe you and your club will accept it, but the hard truth is. Most of the rest of the country involved in lax is not moving on and accepting it. They are playing. How is that tough to see?
I don't know about "most of the country." As a family we took a step and and considered the level of practice, tournaments, scheduling, etc to determine if we were going to play the wait and see game determining putting our summer on hold for lacrosse. Even though my kid plays a large role for his HS team (nationally ranked) we decided this season travel lacrosse was to take a back seat and we were going to enjoy the many summer time activities that were put on hold during the past several years. Is he still practicing and working on skills, yes, but he's getting a reprieve from the game and realizes how much more to life there is besides lacrosse. Does this model fit nicely on everyone's' shelf, I don't know, but my kid has gained a wealth of knowledge on how the game of life is played...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't know about "most of the country." As a family we took a step and and considered the level of practice, tournaments, scheduling, etc to determine if we were going to play the wait and see game determining putting our summer on hold for lacrosse. Even though my kid plays a large role for his HS team (nationally ranked) we decided this season travel lacrosse was to take a back seat and we were going to enjoy the many summer time activities that were put on hold during the past several years. Is he still practicing and working on skills, yes, but he's getting a reprieve from the game and realizes how much more to life there is besides lacrosse. Does this model fit nicely on everyone's' shelf, I don't know, but my kid has gained a wealth of knowledge on how the game of life is played...

Great post. The problem with those saying "everyone do what you think is right for your family" is that those going to tournaments could be spreading the virus to those people being responsible. The goal should be get the kids back in school this fall. We've already sacrificed a lot as a country. Absolutely notIntelligent to risk screwing everything up and having to fully shut back down for things like youth sports tournaments this summer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't know about "most of the country." As a family we took a step and and considered the level of practice, tournaments, scheduling, etc to determine if we were going to play the wait and see game determining putting our summer on hold for lacrosse. Even though my kid plays a large role for his HS team (nationally ranked) we decided this season travel lacrosse was to take a back seat and we were going to enjoy the many summer time activities that were put on hold during the past several years. Is he still practicing and working on skills, yes, but he's getting a reprieve from the game and realizes how much more to life there is besides lacrosse. Does this model fit nicely on everyone's' shelf, I don't know, but my kid has gained a wealth of knowledge on how the game of life is played...


The fact that you are on here reading this thread means you are having doubts about your decision to pass on this season.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Out of the tuition that you paid, how much do you feel you are owed? You had Fall Tourneys, got all your gear and had a full winter training along with all of the recent "fluff" practices... $500?

Thank you club director!
Just minutes ago I received a message from my daughter's club owner that one of the girls from an older team just tested positive for Covid. Not only did we just have a round robin with two other clubs - many of the coaches rotate from team to team. This doesn't feel right.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Out of the tuition that you paid, how much do you feel you are owed? You had Fall Tourneys, got all your gear and had a full winter training along with all of the recent "fluff" practices... $500?

Thank you club director!


$500 is a good starting point for refund. We all know the brunt of the season is in the Spring/summer but for the sake of argument I will say a portion of the third payment that many teams take in the spring is -/+ $1000. .

The $500 should be higher or lower depending on how many tournaments and practices have been done. And don't get me started if teams want to do money grab tryouts for 2020-2021 for current players. That should be free if done for current players! smh
How could it be spread to those you deem "responsible" if they're not attending and just the "notIntelligent",(your wording, not mine) are attending?

From all the tourneys we've attended in the past two weeks in the open states, people were following the directives and wearing masks, socially distancing, etc.

Again, we know you are scared, and that is ok and your right. Stay home and let those who feel they are healthy and are abiding by the state and tourney rules go about their life and enjoy.

As for the school argument, everyone except the teacher's unions for their own reasons, are in agreement that schools should be open with proper measures.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great post. The problem with those saying "everyone do what you think is right for your family" is that those going to tournaments could be spreading the virus to those people being responsible. The goal should be get the kids back in school this fall. We've already sacrificed a lot as a country. Absolutely notIntelligent to risk screwing everything up and having to fully shut back down for things like youth sports tournaments this summer.

Except that keeping kids isolated all Summer will make the spread in the Fall much worse. Kids should be interacting this Summer - some will get exposed and develop immunity. Best to happen now compared to the Fall/Winter when hospitals will also be dealing with the Flu (which is MUCH more deadly to kids).
There is no club in their right mind that would charge a tryout fee in this environment, is there? Most clubs are returning the exact same squads as this season unless a player leaves on their own. Then they will hand pick a replacement. The real conundrum is the upcoming season: How do you pay up front for something that may never happen? Or be a shell of itself if it does?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't know about "most of the country." As a family we took a step and and considered the level of practice, tournaments, scheduling, etc to determine if we were going to play the wait and see game determining putting our summer on hold for lacrosse. Even though my kid plays a large role for his HS team (nationally ranked) we decided this season travel lacrosse was to take a back seat and we were going to enjoy the many summer time activities that were put on hold during the past several years. Is he still practicing and working on skills, yes, but he's getting a reprieve from the game and realizes how much more to life there is besides lacrosse. Does this model fit nicely on everyone's' shelf, I don't know, but my kid has gained a wealth of knowledge on how the game of life is played...

Great post. The problem with those saying "everyone do what you think is right for your family" is that those going to tournaments could be spreading the virus to those people being responsible. The goal should be get the kids back in school this fall. We've already sacrificed a lot as a country. Absolutely notIntelligent to risk screwing everything up and having to fully shut back down for things like youth sports tournaments this summer.

The post was bad. They aren't "Putting their summer on hold" unless they are staying home. My guess they aren't. The beaches are packed, kids at parks & kids are at parties. Stop it already and the wealth of knowledge your kid has picked up.. My parents are crazy and I'm moving ASAP!
What region is the club from please?
Don’t believe the immunity talk from this person, they have no clue what they are talking about. I am an RN.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great post. The problem with those saying "everyone do what you think is right for your family" is that those going to tournaments could be spreading the virus to those people being responsible. The goal should be get the kids back in school this fall. We've already sacrificed a lot as a country. Absolutely notIntelligent to risk screwing everything up and having to fully shut back down for things like youth sports tournaments this summer.

Except that keeping kids isolated all Summer will make the spread in the Fall much worse. Kids should be interacting this Summer - some will get exposed and develop immunity. Best to happen now compared to the Fall/Winter when hospitals will also be dealing with the Flu (which is MUCH more deadly to kids).

Many fail to realize, the Gov could care less about all the particulars surrounding this virus regarding our kids going back to school. You can go on and on writing about asystematic, kids aren't affected, people with underlying conditions, etc. Get this into your head; The Gov's only concern is the numbers and Trump not being re-elected! It doesn't matter what you people think or what you people profess you think you know. It all comes down to numbers, if our kids go back to school in September. And if the Gov can use keeping the schools closed to keep Trump from being re-elected, he will do it. Starting thinking like a Chess player opposed to a Checker player!
Practices because the kids love to play and want to keep playing.

The NE is opening up. My kid’s club has arranged a number of regional play dates. Is it the same as the big tournaments we expected. Of course not. But the kids want to play and they’re thrilled to be doing something. I’m more than ok having them keep my tuition. Compared to other clubs I’ve seen they are providing a lot of opportunities.
Dude, its about safety of the kids. The parents are the ones making the decisions on behalf kids so the parents should be educated. The political forum is on another board. Schools closing wont effect any election. The lousy job the current administration has done has all but sealed that fate. Again, political rants are on the next board. God Bless!
Schools closed, so NY voters won't vote for Trump?This is perhaps the densest thing I have read on BOTC, which is saying something. How did Trump do in NY for the last presidential election? You think he has a chance of winning NY now?
Four items of interest:
1. Daughter had "tournament" in MD yesterday. Very few parents wearing masks, no social distancing, girls yelling in opponite's face "I got ball"
2. Coaches in their 20s, probably out at bars, don't wear masks
3. Now PA "tournament" scheduled for this weekend cancelled due to concerns over player exposure
4. News from another club is a girl on 2025 team has COVID

This is no joke. Let's move on.

Big question for me is, what will be in the 2020/2021 contract to refund our money when Fall is a bust like this summer???
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don’t believe the immunity talk from this person, they have no clue what they are talking about. I am an RN.


Who minored in immunology....
At a tournament today in CT. Maybe 5% of people wearing masks and while outdoors, pretty tight quarters on the sidelines and groups of parents seemed to have no concern about talking to each other a foot away if it was people they knew. I’m not sure if parents are embarrassed to wear a mask or they truly think there is no risk. I think it’s great the kids are playing, but think the parents should be a bit more conservative.
I posted this earlier but it got buried. We were just informed by our daughter's club that one of the girls on an older team tested positive for Covid. She played in a tournament on Sunday. Her coaches also coach another age group that did a round robin on Saturday. Both teams are being sidelined but who knows how many girls and coaches were exposed.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I posted this earlier but it got buried. We were just informed by our daughter's club that one of the girls on an older team tested positive for Covid. She played in a tournament on Sunday. Her coaches also coach another age group that did a round robin on Saturday. Both teams are being sidelined but who knows how many girls and coaches were exposed.

Parents knew the risk, they rolled the dice and rolled craps. OH WELL. DEAL WITH IT.
How many public, private school employees are coaching travel programs participating in tournaments here in NY and out of state?
NLF is on
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NLF is on
How and where?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NLF is on

What teams are going? All of the NLF organizations?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NLF is on
How and where?

Delaware next week. Thought it would get canceled.
When one player gets covid the tournament is cancelled . Liability is a problem.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I posted this earlier but it got buried. We were just informed by our daughter's club that one of the girls on an older team tested positive for Covid. She played in a tournament on Sunday. Her coaches also coach another age group that did a round robin on Saturday. Both teams are being sidelined but who knows how many girls and coaches were exposed.

Parents knew the risk, they rolled the dice and rolled craps. OH WELL. DEAL WITH IT.
Oh. We are dealing with it - but we had no idea that the club was ignoring US Lacrosse and local guidelines.

Lax parents have "no idea" hard to imagine.
How ironic would that be? The liability...Maybe that's the anticipated retirement plan for some of the Lax Lifers: Show up at a tournament already infected, then claim you contracted the virus at the un-policed tourney, scrimmage, round robin, shoot around or whatever the "code" word is for it these days . Then claim "safety" was blatantly disregarded and the Travel clubs put the children at risk. BUYER BEWARE!

Dont be hatin on the clubs tho.....they are giving people the rope. If the people choose to hang themselves with it that's on them. Isnt like they are pulling the wool over anyone's eyes. In the end, regardless of the outcomes, you just hope all the kids are safe. But all's it takes is one..... LAX ON BRO's & NO REFUNDS!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How ironic would that be? The liability...Maybe that's the anticipated retirement plan for some of the Lax Lifers: Show up at a tournament already infected, then claim you contracted the virus at the un-policed tourney, scrimmage, round robin, shoot around or whatever the "code" word is for it these days . Then claim "safety" was blatantly disregarded and the Travel clubs put the children at risk. BUYER BEWARE!

Dont be hatin on the clubs tho.....they are giving people the rope. If the people choose to hang themselves with it that's on them. Isnt like they are pulling the wool over anyone's eyes. In the end, regardless of the outcomes, you just hope all the kids are safe. But all's it takes is one..... LAX ON BRO's & NO REFUNDS!!!!


Relax Karen.. That's quite the conspiracy theory.
If you are so frightened, feel free to keep your child in the bunker for the next couple of years. Most of us are comfortable with the risk and will take proper precautions while allowing our kids to develop socially and athletically.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How ironic would that be? The liability...Maybe that's the anticipated retirement plan for some of the Lax Lifers: Show up at a tournament already infected, then claim you contracted the virus at the un-policed tourney, scrimmage, round robin, shoot around or whatever the "code" word is for it these days . Then claim "safety" was blatantly disregarded and the Travel clubs put the children at risk. BUYER BEWARE!

Dont be hatin on the clubs tho.....they are giving people the rope. If the people choose to hang themselves with it that's on them. Isnt like they are pulling the wool over anyone's eyes. In the end, regardless of the outcomes, you just hope all the kids are safe. But all's it takes is one..... LAX ON BRO's & NO REFUNDS!!!!

You sound unhinged bud!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How ironic would that be? The liability...Maybe that's the anticipated retirement plan for some of the Lax Lifers: Show up at a tournament already infected, then claim you contracted the virus at the un-policed tourney, scrimmage, round robin, shoot around or whatever the "code" word is for it these days . Then claim "safety" was blatantly disregarded and the Travel clubs put the children at risk. BUYER BEWARE!

Dont be hatin on the clubs tho.....they are giving people the rope. If the people choose to hang themselves with it that's on them. Isnt like they are pulling the wool over anyone's eyes. In the end, regardless of the outcomes, you just hope all the kids are safe. But all's it takes is one..... LAX ON BRO's & NO REFUNDS!!!!

You sound unhinged bud!

Our family was sick with the virus a couple of weeks ago, wasn't bad. My son played in the 2023 bracket yesterday.
Ya see, there is the problem: YOU felt great, fortunately. But what IF people who have it, and feel no ill effects, spread it to people that may not be so fortunate? Again, no sympathy for anyone at a tournament that gets it as they are there voluntarily. But what about the people that get it from someone that was at one of these events? That's how it spreads. Most people forget this is not only about them but about everyone in your circle. Does Johnny Lax Parent want to get it and then give it to his/her elderly parent? Hmmmmmm?????
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ya see, there is the problem: YOU felt great, fortunately. But what IF people who have it, and feel no ill effects, spread it to people that may not be so fortunate? Again, no sympathy for anyone at a tournament that gets it as they are there voluntarily. But what about the people that get it from someone that was at one of these events? That's how it spreads. Most people forget this is not only about them but about everyone in your circle. Does Johnny Lax Parent want to get it and then give it to his/her elderly parent? Hmmmmmm?????


You know something.. You're right..
I'm heading for the bomb shelter with the kids and not coming out until there is a vaccine. My son can use the lax free time to fine tune his Fortnite skills.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ya see, there is the problem: YOU felt great, fortunately. But what IF people who have it, and feel no ill effects, spread it to people that may not be so fortunate? Again, no sympathy for anyone at a tournament that gets it as they are there voluntarily. But what about the people that get it from someone that was at one of these events? That's how it spreads. Most people forget this is not only about them but about everyone in your circle. Does Johnny Lax Parent want to get it and then give it to his/her elderly parent? Hmmmmmm?????


You know something.. You're right..
I'm heading for the bomb shelter with the kids and not coming out until there is a vaccine. My son can use the lax free time to fine tune his Fortnite skills.

It's all hogwash. I was out east with the family on the 4th at a 50th birthday party. My kid didn't feel very well a couple days later, low fever. After about three days the fever broke and he felt better. Well enough to attend the tournament in Connecticut. I don't see what the big deal was. How many kids go to school with the flu, schools don't close for that.
Its all preference. To the guy with the bunker, bring a fiddle stick. Maybe your rockstar can play wall ball underground and you can post it on social media using a satellite dish that has your kid's team logo on it!!!! And all of the other parents on his/her team can give it a lot of likes too! LAX ON mi amigo! Wear that T shirt proudly!!!! Just stop setting yourself up son..... this is too easy.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ya see, there is the problem: YOU felt great, fortunately. But what IF people who have it, and feel no ill effects, spread it to people that may not be so fortunate? Again, no sympathy for anyone at a tournament that gets it as they are there voluntarily. But what about the people that get it from someone that was at one of these events? That's how it spreads. Most people forget this is not only about them but about everyone in your circle. Does Johnny Lax Parent want to get it and then give it to his/her elderly parent? Hmmmmmm?????


You know something.. You're right..
I'm heading for the bomb shelter with the kids and not coming out until there is a vaccine. My son can use the lax free time to fine tune his Fortnite skills.

It's all hogwash. I was out east with the family on the 4th at a 50th birthday party. My kid didn't feel very well a couple days later, low fever. After about three days the fever broke and he felt better. Well enough to attend the tournament in Connecticut. I don't see what the big deal was. How many kids go to school with the flu, schools don't close for that.

And if he inadvertently passes it to someone and that person dies?
And if he inadvertently passes it to someone and that person dies?[/quote]


Please go away and take your pandemic panic elsewhere. Clubs are playing, kids are having fun and you're still left wallowing in MSM hysteria. Please stay in your basement since you don't get invited out due to your constant whining.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And if he inadvertently passes it to someone and that person dies?


Please go away and take your pandemic panic elsewhere. Clubs are playing, kids are having fun and you're still left wallowing in MSM hysteria. Please stay in your basement since you don't get invited out due to your constant whining.[/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ya see, there is the problem: YOU felt great, fortunately. But what IF people who have it, and feel no ill effects, spread it to people that may not be so fortunate? Again, no sympathy for anyone at a tournament that gets it as they are there voluntarily. But what about the people that get it from someone that was at one of these events? That's how it spreads. Most people forget this is not only about them but about everyone in your circle. Does Johnny Lax Parent want to get it and then give it to his/her elderly parent? Hmmmmmm?????


You know something.. You're right..
I'm heading for the bomb shelter with the kids and not coming out until there is a vaccine. My son can use the lax free time to fine tune his Fortnite skills.

It's all hogwash. I was out east with the family on the 4th at a 50th birthday party. My kid didn't feel very well a couple days later, low fever. After about three days the fever broke and he felt better. Well enough to attend the tournament in Connecticut. I don't see what the big deal was. How many kids go to school with the flu, schools don't close for that.

And if he inadvertently passes it to someone and that person dies?

The flu killed over 80,000 in 2018.. Should have shut down school that year. Over 38,000 a year on road are killed and over 4 million require medical attention....shut down the roads.. WE could shut down everything and guess what?? Life would go on killing us humans..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ya see, there is the problem: YOU felt great, fortunately. But what IF people who have it, and feel no ill effects, spread it to people that may not be so fortunate? Again, no sympathy for anyone at a tournament that gets it as they are there voluntarily. But what about the people that get it from someone that was at one of these events? That's how it spreads. Most people forget this is not only about them but about everyone in your circle. Does Johnny Lax Parent want to get it and then give it to his/her elderly parent? Hmmmmmm?????


You know something.. You're right..
I'm heading for the bomb shelter with the kids and not coming out until there is a vaccine. My son can use the lax free time to fine tune his Fortnite skills.

It's all hogwash. I was out east with the family on the 4th at a 50th birthday party. My kid didn't feel very well a couple days later, low fever. After about three days the fever broke and he felt better. Well enough to attend the tournament in Connecticut. I don't see what the big deal was. How many kids go to school with the flu, schools don't close for that.

And if he inadvertently passes it to someone and that person dies?

The flu killed over 80,000 in 2018.. Should have shut down school that year. Over 38,000 a year on road are killed and over 4 million require medical attention....shut down the roads.. WE could shut down everything and guess what?? Life would go on killing us humans..

You people are unbelievable and I doubt you can read but here's some info for you. Please watch something different than that hag Laura Ingraham:

The number of deaths from COVID-19 was estimated in early May to be approximately 65,000, which the authors agreed appeared similar to the estimated number of seasonal influenza deaths reported every year by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

However, that represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the way the CDC reports seasonal influenza morbidity and mortality.

From 2013-14 to 2018-19, the CDC reported yearly estimates of influenza deaths ranging from 23,000-61,000. However, the number of counted influenza deaths during those 2 seasons was 3448 and 15,620, respectively.

It would be more accurate to compare weekly counts of COVID-19 deaths to weekly counts of seasonal influenza deaths, the authors said, due to COVID-19 fatalities being counted and reported directly instead of estimated.

By the numbers, according to the paper:
There were 15,455 COVID-19 deaths reported in the US during the week ending April 21, 2020.
There were 14,478 COVID-19 deaths reported in the US during the week prior.
There were 351 flu deaths during the peak week (week 11 of 2016) of the flu season in 2015-16.
There were 1626 flu deaths during the peak week (week 3 of 2018) of the flu season in 2018-19.
“These statistics on counted deaths suggest that the number of COVID-19 deaths for the week ending April 21 was 9.5-fold to 44.1-fold greater than the peak week of counted influenza deaths during the past 7 influenza seasons in the US, with a 20.5-fold mean increase,” the authors wrote.

The CDC also recognizes that their COVID-19 death counts are continually revised due to delays in reporting. The authors believed that the ratio of counted COVID-19 deaths to flu deaths will rise. Additionally, they said their ratios are more clinically consistent with the experiences of health care workers on the front lines.

“We infer that either the CDC’s annual estimates substantially overstate the actual number of deaths caused by influenza or that the current number of COVID-19 counted deaths substantially understates the actual number of deaths caused by SARS-CoV-2, or both,” they wrote.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ya see, there is the problem: YOU felt great, fortunately. But what IF people who have it, and feel no ill effects, spread it to people that may not be so fortunate? Again, no sympathy for anyone at a tournament that gets it as they are there voluntarily. But what about the people that get it from someone that was at one of these events? That's how it spreads. Most people forget this is not only about them but about everyone in your circle. Does Johnny Lax Parent want to get it and then give it to his/her elderly parent? Hmmmmmm?????


You know something.. You're right..
I'm heading for the bomb shelter with the kids and not coming out until there is a vaccine. My son can use the lax free time to fine tune his Fortnite skills.

It's all hogwash. I was out east with the family on the 4th at a 50th birthday party. My kid didn't feel very well a couple days later, low fever. After about three days the fever broke and he felt better. Well enough to attend the tournament in Connecticut. I don't see what the big deal was. How many kids go to school with the flu, schools don't close for that.

And if he inadvertently passes it to someone and that person dies?

The flu killed over 80,000 in 2018.. Should have shut down school that year. Over 38,000 a year on road are killed and over 4 million require medical attention....shut down the roads.. WE could shut down everything and guess what?? Life would go on killing us humans..

You people are unbelievable and I doubt you can read but here's some info for you. Please watch something different than that hag Laura Ingraham:

The number of deaths from COVID-19 was estimated in early May to be approximately 65,000, which the authors agreed appeared similar to the estimated number of seasonal influenza deaths reported every year by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

However, that represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the way the CDC reports seasonal influenza morbidity and mortality.

From 2013-14 to 2018-19, the CDC reported yearly estimates of influenza deaths ranging from 23,000-61,000. However, the number of counted influenza deaths during those 2 seasons was 3448 and 15,620, respectively.

It would be more accurate to compare weekly counts of COVID-19 deaths to weekly counts of seasonal influenza deaths, the authors said, due to COVID-19 fatalities being counted and reported directly instead of estimated.

By the numbers, according to the paper:
There were 15,455 COVID-19 deaths reported in the US during the week ending April 21, 2020.
There were 14,478 COVID-19 deaths reported in the US during the week prior.
There were 351 flu deaths during the peak week (week 11 of 2016) of the flu season in 2015-16.
There were 1626 flu deaths during the peak week (week 3 of 2018) of the flu season in 2018-19.
“These statistics on counted deaths suggest that the number of COVID-19 deaths for the week ending April 21 was 9.5-fold to 44.1-fold greater than the peak week of counted influenza deaths during the past 7 influenza seasons in the US, with a 20.5-fold mean increase,” the authors wrote.

The CDC also recognizes that their COVID-19 death counts are continually revised due to delays in reporting. The authors believed that the ratio of counted COVID-19 deaths to flu deaths will rise. Additionally, they said their ratios are more clinically consistent with the experiences of health care workers on the front lines.

“We infer that either the CDC’s annual estimates substantially overstate the actual number of deaths caused by influenza or that the current number of COVID-19 counted deaths substantially understates the actual number of deaths caused by SARS-CoV-2, or both,” they wrote.


Yup, because the CDC has had a good handle on all of this.
You understand all of these COVID numbers are being massively inflated for reasons other than sheer politics?. Hospitals are able to charge insurance companies more if they label a case COVID related.
But again, if you want to live in fear due to media hysteria, that is your right. Sit at home, eyes glued to MSNBC/CNN. But let the rest of us get on with our lives.
Maybe when you come out of your caves in two years when a vaccine is available, your little guy will be ready for some non-contact lax drills.
By the numbers, according to the paper:
There were 15,455 COVID-19 deaths reported in the US during the week ending April 21, 2020.
There were 14,478 COVID-19 deaths reported in the US during the week prior.
There were 351 flu deaths during the peak week (week 11 of 2016) of the flu season in 2015-16.
There were 1626 flu deaths during the peak week (week 3 of 2018) of the flu season in 2018-19.
“These statistics on counted deaths suggest that the number of COVID-19 deaths for the week ending April 21 was 9.5-fold to 44.1-fold greater than the peak week of counted influenza deaths during the past 7 influenza seasons in the US, with a 20.5-fold mean increase,” the authors wrote.

The CDC also recognizes that their COVID-19 death counts are continually revised due to delays in reporting. The authors believed that the ratio of counted COVID-19 deaths to flu deaths will rise. Additionally, they said their ratios are more clinically consistent with the experiences of health care workers on the front lines.

“We infer that either the CDC’s annual estimates substantially overstate the actual number of deaths caused by influenza or that the current number of COVID-19 counted deaths substantially understates the actual number of deaths caused by SARS-CoV-2, or both,” they wrote.[/quote]


Yup, because the CDC has had a good handle on all of this.
You understand all of these COVID numbers are being massively inflated for reasons other than sheer politics?. Hospitals are able to charge insurance companies more if they label a case COVID related.
But again, if you want to live in fear due to media hysteria, that is your right. Sit at home, eyes glued to MSNBC/CNN. But let the rest of us get on with our lives.
Maybe when you come out of your caves in two years when a vaccine is available, your little guy will be ready for some non-contact lax drills.[/quote]

Great answer to the fear monger.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
By the numbers, according to the paper:
There were 15,455 COVID-19 deaths reported in the US during the week ending April 21, 2020.
There were 14,478 COVID-19 deaths reported in the US during the week prior.
There were 351 flu deaths during the peak week (week 11 of 2016) of the flu season in 2015-16.
There were 1626 flu deaths during the peak week (week 3 of 2018) of the flu season in 2018-19.
“These statistics on counted deaths suggest that the number of COVID-19 deaths for the week ending April 21 was 9.5-fold to 44.1-fold greater than the peak week of counted influenza deaths during the past 7 influenza seasons in the US, with a 20.5-fold mean increase,” the authors wrote.

The CDC also recognizes that their COVID-19 death counts are continually revised due to delays in reporting. The authors believed that the ratio of counted COVID-19 deaths to flu deaths will rise. Additionally, they said their ratios are more clinically consistent with the experiences of health care workers on the front lines.

“We infer that either the CDC’s annual estimates substantially overstate the actual number of deaths caused by influenza or that the current number of COVID-19 counted deaths substantially understates the actual number of deaths caused by SARS-CoV-2, or both,” they wrote.


Yup, because the CDC has had a good handle on all of this.
You understand all of these COVID numbers are being massively inflated for reasons other than sheer politics?. Hospitals are able to charge insurance companies more if they label a case COVID related.
But again, if you want to live in fear due to media hysteria, that is your right. Sit at home, eyes glued to MSNBC/CNN. But let the rest of us get on with our lives.
Maybe when you come out of your caves in two years when a vaccine is available, your little guy will be ready for some non-contact lax drills.[/quote]

Great answer to the fear monger.[/quote]

The person was simply stating that Covid is way more deadly than flu which is a fact.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ya see, there is the problem: YOU felt great, fortunately. But what IF people who have it, and feel no ill effects, spread it to people that may not be so fortunate? Again, no sympathy for anyone at a tournament that gets it as they are there voluntarily. But what about the people that get it from someone that was at one of these events? That's how it spreads. Most people forget this is not only about them but about everyone in your circle. Does Johnny Lax Parent want to get it and then give it to his/her elderly parent? Hmmmmmm?????


You know something.. You're right..
I'm heading for the bomb shelter with the kids and not coming out until there is a vaccine. My son can use the lax free time to fine tune his Fortnite skills.

It's all hogwash. I was out east with the family on the 4th at a 50th birthday party. My kid didn't feel very well a couple days later, low fever. After about three days the fever broke and he felt better. Well enough to attend the tournament in Connecticut. I don't see what the big deal was. How many kids go to school with the flu, schools don't close for that.

And if he inadvertently passes it to someone and that person dies?

The flu killed over 80,000 in 2018.. Should have shut down school that year. Over 38,000 a year on road are killed and over 4 million require medical attention....shut down the roads.. WE could shut down everything and guess what?? Life would go on killing us humans..

You people are unbelievable and I doubt you can read but here's some info for you. Please watch something different than that hag Laura Ingraham:

The number of deaths from COVID-19 was estimated in early May to be approximately 65,000, which the authors agreed appeared similar to the estimated number of seasonal influenza deaths reported every year by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

However, that represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the way the CDC reports seasonal influenza morbidity and mortality.

From 2013-14 to 2018-19, the CDC reported yearly estimates of influenza deaths ranging from 23,000-61,000. However, the number of counted influenza deaths during those 2 seasons was 3448 and 15,620, respectively.

It would be more accurate to compare weekly counts of COVID-19 deaths to weekly counts of seasonal influenza deaths, the authors said, due to COVID-19 fatalities being counted and reported directly instead of estimated.

By the numbers, according to the paper:
There were 15,455 COVID-19 deaths reported in the US during the week ending April 21, 2020.
There were 14,478 COVID-19 deaths reported in the US during the week prior.
There were 351 flu deaths during the peak week (week 11 of 2016) of the flu season in 2015-16.
There were 1626 flu deaths during the peak week (week 3 of 2018) of the flu season in 2018-19.
“These statistics on counted deaths suggest that the number of COVID-19 deaths for the week ending April 21 was 9.5-fold to 44.1-fold greater than the peak week of counted influenza deaths during the past 7 influenza seasons in the US, with a 20.5-fold mean increase,” the authors wrote.

The CDC also recognizes that their COVID-19 death counts are continually revised due to delays in reporting. The authors believed that the ratio of counted COVID-19 deaths to flu deaths will rise. Additionally, they said their ratios are more clinically consistent with the experiences of health care workers on the front lines.

“We infer that either the CDC’s annual estimates substantially overstate the actual number of deaths caused by influenza or that the current number of COVID-19 counted deaths substantially understates the actual number of deaths caused by SARS-CoV-2, or both,” they wrote.

You sound like a typical arrogant know it all doctor. Spend more time in reality than posting statistics.
This person sounds intelligent, not arrogant, and it's you who needs a reality check.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This person sounds intelligent, not arrogant, and it's you who needs a reality check.


Again.. What this comes down to is some of you think the world should just stop, and we should all lock ourselves into isolation until there is a vaccine because a tiny percentage of the population is vulnerable to COVID.

That should not be the case now that we know who is at risk (elderly/pre-existing conditions//diabetics, etc) and what it takes to reduce risks..

The rest of us prefer to get on with life and that includes low risk activities like lacrosse tournaments.
If you are still uncomfortable with the idea.. Leave the rest of us alone, as no one is forcing you to partake..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This person sounds intelligent, not arrogant, and it's you who needs a reality check.


Again.. What this comes down to is some of you think the world should just stop, and we should all lock ourselves into isolation until there is a vaccine because a tiny percentage of the population is vulnerable to COVID.

That should not be the case now that we know who is at risk (elderly/pre-existing conditions//diabetics, etc) and what it takes to reduce risks..

The rest of us prefer to get on with life and that includes low risk activities like lacrosse tournaments.
If you are still uncomfortable with the idea.. Leave the rest of us alone, as no one is forcing you to partake..

Wow. You seem to have lost your morals over lacrosse. A little fact for you to think about. There are programs in the PA, MD area where kids have been testing positive for COVID after these tournaments they have played. Some programs have shut down after opening and competing. Trust me when I tell you this, this is far from over.
STICK TO THE SCRIPT: NO REFUNDS! If you want to play the part of The Donald or Faucci go to another board. Fact is the pandemic is real, people still want to play lacrosse and you fools are NOT getting back one penny. Nor should you after reading some of the nonsense on here. Instead of regurgitating statistics or trading insults why dont you think about what you are going to do for the upcoming season because this season is OVER! Accept it.

The clubs can/will tell you everything you want to hear. They will give you sand when you are dying of thirst and you will drink it because you want to believe that it is water. Silly Rabbit...Tricks are for Lax Parents! And people that drink sand ultimately choke on it. Wake up Laxaholics!

NO Refunds, No tourneys,and Hush-hush watered down "play dates"...Oh My!! Whatcha gonna do for 2002/2021? Thats the real question.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This person sounds intelligent, not arrogant, and it's you who needs a reality check.

No, You need to realize that nothing will change until a cure or vaccine is found and distributed ...which may or may not happen until later part of next year at earliest .

At this point if you are at risk person and dont protect yourself, stay at home, etc, etc, etc,,,,,well not much more I can say to you.....

For the rest of us, common sense and some prudent protection and on with life we go.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This person sounds intelligent, not arrogant, and it's you who needs a reality check.


Again.. What this comes down to is some of you think the world should just stop, and we should all lock ourselves into isolation until there is a vaccine because a tiny percentage of the population is vulnerable to COVID.

That should not be the case now that we know who is at risk (elderly/pre-existing conditions//diabetics, etc) and what it takes to reduce risks..

The rest of us prefer to get on with life and that includes low risk activities like lacrosse tournaments.
If you are still uncomfortable with the idea.. Leave the rest of us alone, as no one is forcing you to partake..

Wow. You seem to have lost your morals over lacrosse. A little fact for you to think about. There are programs in the PA, MD area where kids have been testing positive for COVID after these tournaments they have played. Some programs have shut down after opening and competing. Trust me when I tell you this, this is far from over.

Trust you. BOTC only deals in facts. Please reference the number of positive covid cases at these tourneys and the programs that were shut down. Me thinks you are spewing fake news.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This person sounds intelligent, not arrogant, and it's you who needs a reality check.


Again.. What this comes down to is some of you think the world should just stop, and we should all lock ourselves into isolation until there is a vaccine because a tiny percentage of the population is vulnerable to COVID.

That should not be the case now that we know who is at risk (elderly/pre-existing conditions//diabetics, etc) and what it takes to reduce risks..

The rest of us prefer to get on with life and that includes low risk activities like lacrosse tournaments.
If you are still uncomfortable with the idea.. Leave the rest of us alone, as no one is forcing you to partake..

Wow. You seem to have lost your morals over lacrosse. A little fact for you to think about. There are programs in the PA, MD area where kids have been testing positive for COVID after these tournaments they have played. Some programs have shut down after opening and competing. Trust me when I tell you this, this is far from over.

What programs?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This person sounds intelligent, not arrogant, and it's you who needs a reality check.


Again.. What this comes down to is some of you think the world should just stop, and we should all lock ourselves into isolation until there is a vaccine because a tiny percentage of the population is vulnerable to COVID.

That should not be the case now that we know who is at risk (elderly/pre-existing conditions//diabetics, etc) and what it takes to reduce risks..

The rest of us prefer to get on with life and that includes low risk activities like lacrosse tournaments.
If you are still uncomfortable with the idea.. Leave the rest of us alone, as no one is forcing you to partake..

Wow. You seem to have lost your morals over lacrosse. A little fact for you to think about. There are programs in the PA, MD area where kids have been testing positive for COVID after these tournaments they have played. Some programs have shut down after opening and competing. Trust me when I tell you this, this is far from over.

Trust you. BOTC only deals in facts. Please reference the number of positive covid cases at these tourneys and the programs that were shut down. Me thinks you are spewing fake news.
I would be happy to provide the BOTC moderator a screenshot of an email from our club owner discussing an incident on our team this weekend. Please let me know how I can get this to you.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
STICK TO THE SCRIPT: NO REFUNDS! If you want to play the part of The Donald or Faucci go to another board. Fact is the pandemic is real, people still want to play lacrosse and you fools are NOT getting back one penny. Nor should you after reading some of the nonsense on here. Instead of regurgitating statistics or trading insults why dont you think about what you are going to do for the upcoming season because this season is OVER! Accept it.

The clubs can/will tell you everything you want to hear. They will give you sand when you are dying of thirst and you will drink it because you want to believe that it is water. Silly Rabbit...Tricks are for Lax Parents! And people that drink sand ultimately choke on it. Wake up Laxaholics!

NO Refunds, No tourneys,and Hush-hush watered down "play dates"...Oh My!! Whatcha gonna do for 2002/2021? Thats the real question.....

Come get some Lax Crack (Lax Magic). Put your money in, I'm getting a new batch in September, it'll rock your world! It will cost you $750 for the first hit, sign up so you don't miss out.
What the intelligent posters on this site need to understand is this: The majority of your audience is defined by kiddie lacrosse and all that it is comprised of, This whole Lax culture IS THEIR IDENTITY. It is all they know and all they have. If you take that away from them by cancelling practices, games and tournaments then they have no purpose! No Facebook postings, No Instagram rants, no tee shirts or team pictures. They aren't about to stand by and willingly let Covid-19, Lax Clubs, Tournament organizers or the US Govt rob them of the very thing that defines them. Even if it jeopardizes everyone else around them. That's just the fact. You cannot un-teach ignorance so even trying is an exercise in futility and a complete waste of your time. Chew on that for a while.......
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow. You seem to have lost your morals over lacrosse. A little fact for you to think about. There are programs in the PA, MD area where kids have been testing positive for COVID after these tournaments they have played. Some programs have shut down after opening and competing. Trust me when I tell you this, this is far from over.

Trust you. BOTC only deals in facts. Please reference the number of positive covid cases at these tourneys and the programs that were shut down. Me thinks you are spewing fake news.

I would be happy to provide the BOTC moderator a screenshot of an email from our club owner discussing an incident on our team this weekend. Please let me know how I can get this to you.

So it is down from " programs in the PA, MD area where kids have been testing positive for COVID after these tournaments " to....
Let me show you an email from my club owner discussing an INCIDENT. LOL.. Come On, you got to do better than that.
New York State just cancelled all fall sports!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
New York State just cancelled all fall sports!

No they didn't.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
New York State just cancelled all fall sports!

No they didn't.

They delayed the start of all sports until 9/21
LAx is done. Print it
So what does this mean for travel lax?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This person sounds intelligent, not arrogant, and it's you who needs a reality check.


Again.. What this comes down to is some of you think the world should just stop, and we should all lock ourselves into isolation until there is a vaccine because a tiny percentage of the population is vulnerable to COVID.

That should not be the case now that we know who is at risk (elderly/pre-existing conditions//diabetics, etc) and what it takes to reduce risks..

The rest of us prefer to get on with life and that includes low risk activities like lacrosse tournaments.
If you are still uncomfortable with the idea.. Leave the rest of us alone, as no one is forcing you to partake..

Wow. You seem to have lost your morals over lacrosse. A little fact for you to think about. There are programs in the PA, MD area where kids have been testing positive for COVID after these tournaments they have played. Some programs have shut down after opening and competing. Trust me when I tell you this, this is far from over.

Yes, but kids don't get it in Walmart or Target in PA or MD, it is amazing. Shut down outdoor activities but let's keep plodding in to retails stores because we have a mask on and some hand sanitizer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What the intelligent posters on this site need to understand is this: The majority of your audience is defined by kiddie lacrosse and all that it is comprised of, This whole Lax culture IS THEIR IDENTITY. It is all they know and all they have. If you take that away from them by cancelling practices, games and tournaments then they have no purpose! No Facebook postings, No Instagram rants, no tee shirts or team pictures. They aren't about to stand by and willingly let Covid-19, Lax Clubs, Tournament organizers or the US Govt rob them of the very thing that defines them. Even if it jeopardizes everyone else around them. That's just the fact. You cannot un-teach ignorance so even trying is an exercise in futility and a complete waste of your time. Chew on that for a while.......

But yet, here you are so detached that you are analyzing this. At least we know we are crazy. Don't be a hypocrite. You don't make that post above without a touch of lunacy.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LAx is done. Print it

Lax is happening as we speak. Our team just finished 3 days in Delaware. Son will be playing again this weekend, UA tryouts next week, NAL the following weekend, NHSLS the following week and Millon Tournament in August.

And then maybe, hopefully, USBOXLA Nationals in September in California.

Can't stop the signal, Mal. wink
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What the intelligent posters on this site need to understand is this: The majority of your audience is defined by kiddie lacrosse and all that it is comprised of, This whole Lax culture IS THEIR IDENTITY. It is all they know and all they have. If you take that away from them by cancelling practices, games and tournaments then they have no purpose! No Facebook postings, No Instagram rants, no tee shirts or team pictures. They aren't about to stand by and willingly let Covid-19, Lax Clubs, Tournament organizers or the US Govt rob them of the very thing that defines them. Even if it jeopardizes everyone else around them. That's just the fact. You cannot un-teach ignorance so even trying is an exercise in futility and a complete waste of your time. Chew on that for a while.......

I resent that ! I can tell you in the strongest terms, that I dont do Facebook !
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ya see, there is the problem: YOU felt great, fortunately. But what IF people who have it, and feel no ill effects, spread it to people that may not be so fortunate? Again, no sympathy for anyone at a tournament that gets it as they are there voluntarily. But what about the people that get it from someone that was at one of these events? That's how it spreads. Most people forget this is not only about them but about everyone in your circle. Does Johnny Lax Parent want to get it and then give it to his/her elderly parent? Hmmmmmm?????


You know something.. You're right..
I'm heading for the bomb shelter with the kids and not coming out until there is a vaccine. My son can use the lax free time to fine tune his Fortnite skills.

It's all hogwash. I was out east with the family on the 4th at a 50th birthday party. My kid didn't feel very well a couple days later, low fever. After about three days the fever broke and he felt better. Well enough to attend the tournament in Connecticut. I don't see what the big deal was. How many kids go to school with the flu, schools don't close for that.

And if he inadvertently passes it to someone and that person dies?

The flu killed over 80,000 in 2018.. Should have shut down school that year. Over 38,000 a year on road are killed and over 4 million require medical attention....shut down the roads.. WE could shut down everything and guess what?? Life would go on killing us humans..

You people are unbelievable and I doubt you can read but here's some info for you. Please watch something different than that hag Laura Ingraham:

The number of deaths from COVID-19 was estimated in early May to be approximately 65,000, which the authors agreed appeared similar to the estimated number of seasonal influenza deaths reported every year by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

However, that represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the way the CDC reports seasonal influenza morbidity and mortality.

From 2013-14 to 2018-19, the CDC reported yearly estimates of influenza deaths ranging from 23,000-61,000. However, the number of counted influenza deaths during those 2 seasons was 3448 and 15,620, respectively.

It would be more accurate to compare weekly counts of COVID-19 deaths to weekly counts of seasonal influenza deaths, the authors said, due to COVID-19 fatalities being counted and reported directly instead of estimated.

By the numbers, according to the paper:
There were 15,455 COVID-19 deaths reported in the US during the week ending April 21, 2020.
There were 14,478 COVID-19 deaths reported in the US during the week prior.
There were 351 flu deaths during the peak week (week 11 of 2016) of the flu season in 2015-16.
There were 1626 flu deaths during the peak week (week 3 of 2018) of the flu season in 2018-19.
“These statistics on counted deaths suggest that the number of COVID-19 deaths for the week ending April 21 was 9.5-fold to 44.1-fold greater than the peak week of counted influenza deaths during the past 7 influenza seasons in the US, with a 20.5-fold mean increase,” the authors wrote.

The CDC also recognizes that their COVID-19 death counts are continually revised due to delays in reporting. The authors believed that the ratio of counted COVID-19 deaths to flu deaths will rise. Additionally, they said their ratios are more clinically consistent with the experiences of health care workers on the front lines.

“We infer that either the CDC’s annual estimates substantially overstate the actual number of deaths caused by influenza or that the current number of COVID-19 counted deaths substantially understates the actual number of deaths caused by SARS-CoV-2, or both,” they wrote.

By your logic,,,,80,000 deaths is ok...But 10 times that is not ??? Why doesnt 80,000 count ?? Why must we accept that ?? They have families . Cold man,,just cold !

See how easy it is.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What the intelligent posters on this site need to understand is this: The majority of your audience is defined by kiddie lacrosse and all that it is comprised of, This whole Lax culture IS THEIR IDENTITY. It is all they know and all they have. If you take that away from them by cancelling practices, games and tournaments then they have no purpose! No Facebook postings, No Instagram rants, no tee shirts or team pictures. They aren't about to stand by and willingly let Covid-19, Lax Clubs, Tournament organizers or the US Govt rob them of the very thing that defines them. Even if it jeopardizes everyone else around them. That's just the fact. You cannot un-teach ignorance so even trying is an exercise in futility and a complete waste of your time. Chew on that for a while.......

I resent that ! I can tell you in the strongest terms, that I dont do Facebook !

Is any club offering a credit towards next years tuition. Express is on the hook with me for the last payment and the payment before that. Haven't really heard of any substantial plans to provide the service promised for the remainder. When does the season officially end? It's going to be tough paying up front after it ends if lacrosse is still uncertain.
Screw the refunds and credit. Practices and tournaments are like one big covid party.
And the parents are the guests of honor. Funniest part is they are paying good $ for exposure to this virus. Haaaa
Can't wait to get pack out there and watch my kids 2030 team dominate! I've been staying in shape while in quarantine by pulling a loaded YETI cooler around yard for 20 minutes a day while wearing a Mask and then getting in reps of day drinking with a 15 beer minimum by 1:00pm. My kids got WHEELIES! His coach says he's got talent.
COVID = Daycamp compared to some home lives....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can't wait to get pack out there and watch my kids 2030 team dominate! I've been staying in shape while in quarantine by pulling a loaded YETI cooler around yard for 20 minutes a day while wearing a Mask and then getting in reps of day drinking with a 15 beer minimum by 1:00pm. My kids got WHEELIES! His coach says he's got talent.
Okay. I am so pissed right now but this post made me laugh.

darn right my 2030 has wheels. So what that he should really be a 2027 -- he's killing it.
Maryland already recruiting him and he's getting a Warrior Stick named after him?
Are the Long Island Tournaments really going to happen?
Nothings happening. Perfect time for club coach's to actually work with each kid to improve on their weaknesses. Doubt if it will happen as that would actually involve earning their money. Easier to throw a ball out and let them scrimmage. Might be a tournament coming any day now!!!!!
No way. Maybe some unpoliced "playdates". But if numbers spike, as expected, its all but over. Then what ?
Just shut it down and keep everybody safe
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are the Long Island Tournaments really going to happen?

Yes. They are officially confirmed.
Really? That’s very dangerous for the people on Long Island!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really? That’s very dangerous for the people on Long Island!

Some of the older kids are doing a COVID challenge at next LI tournament. If later you test positive, you have been CONVERTED. Lets see how many will win!
Who answered Yes? Seriously dude? "Officially confirmed" ? I officially confirmed that aliens landed on my roof last night, captured me and brought me to their intergalactic zoo and we played wall-ball. Stop with that nonsense. Of course they are saying they are "confirmed". They need to feed yes-medicine to all of the laxoholics out there. Common sense says there is a better shot of you waking up out of that Lax coma than there is of any tournaments ever being played until this pandemic subsides..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really? That’s very dangerous for the people on Long Island!

No it's not. Nobody brought the virus back from the out of state tournaments the past two weeks.
Hofstra and Stony Brook cancelled fall sports! High School sports are postponed but LAX continues?!?!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hofstra and Stony Brook cancelled fall sports! High School sports are postponed but LAX continues?!?!

You mean i not going to get a sampler(credit) of lax crack before the first payment is due? I'm sending a tax fraud form to the IRS.
No refund , partial refund . Just pay 1st payment by September. No thank you .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hofstra and Stony Brook cancelled fall sports! High School sports are postponed but LAX continues?!?!

You mean i not going to get a sampler(credit) of lax crack before the first payment is due? I'm sending a tax fraud form to the IRS.

Isnt there a tournament at Hofstra??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No refund , partial refund . Just pay 1st payment by September. No thank you .

Us parents at Recon received credit towards next season. Owner/director is a stand up guy.
I look at it like this, no refunds, okay. My kid is a little under the weather, he wants to go to practice on Sunday, no problem, he will be there.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I look at it like this, no refunds, okay. My kid is a little under the weather, he wants to go to practice on Sunday, no problem, he will be there.

So your comparing getting ripped of a few bucks and the spread of a deadly virus..
LI laxfest moved off LI to Nj.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI laxfest moved off LI to Nj.
This is getting just plain notIntelligent now.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I look at it like this, no refunds, okay. My kid is a little under the weather, he wants to go to practice on Sunday, no problem, he will be there.
Lmfao lol . Good
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No refund , partial refund . Just pay 1st payment by September. No thank you .

Us parents at Recon received credit towards next season. Owner/director is a stand up guy.

All teams? Only ask because my son is on recon and haven't heard of any credit.
Agree that Steve and Paul would do the right thing.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI laxfest moved off LI to Nj.

They should change the name then
Is the Big X still being played at Hofstra?
Coronafest 2020 being played at an undisosed location. $1800/team, no distancing and don't wear your team uniform. No contact either....wink wink! I can't wait!!! Hopefully it is long drive, out of state too so we can quarantine..wink wink!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI laxfest moved off LI to Nj.

Boys and girls? I see the girls are playing in NJ, but boys location still just says LI.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is the Big X still being played at Hofstra?

Moved to NJ.....unreal.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really? That’s very dangerous for the people on Long Island!

No it's not. Nobody brought the virus back from the out of state tournaments the past two weeks.

Oops. Wrong. A player from a NY club team tested positive after a play date in NJ. Now the club is going into quarantine. Hopefully all those NY teams and families down in MD for mid-Atlantic Club Championships don’t suffer the same fate. https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Travel-team-lacrosse-player-tests-positive-for-15416754.php
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Coronafest 2020 being played at an undisosed location. $1800/team, no distancing and don't wear your team uniform. No contact either....wink wink! I can't wait!!! Hopefully it is long drive, out of state too so we can quarantine..wink wink!!

Dude, you want to stay under your bed, your choice. Don’t pass judgment on others that choose to live their lives. If your 6 ft and masks work, don’t worry, you and your dust bunnies under your bed will be all good.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is the Big X still being played at Hofstra?

Moved to NJ.....unreal.
All a ploy scam to have tournaments in the books so they dont have to refund. Wake up people .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No refund , partial refund . Just pay 1st payment by September. No thank you .

Us parents at Recon received credit towards next season. Owner/director is a stand up guy.
He's keeping your money for a service he was not able to deliver and issues you a credit instead of a refund. Real stand up............
Two Lax heavy towns in NJ. have been seeing a increase of corona cases in young people. I'm not going to mention the towns -- but many of the kids play on club teams across New Jersey.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI laxfest moved off LI to Nj.
This is getting just plain notIntelligent now.

We are done. I told my son's coach due to the uncertainty of the next tournament we are done for the summer. I refuse to waste this entire summer waiting around being told if a tournament is a go and where it will be held. I'll wait until the fall or whenever things start up before I even think about laying out more money. Last year this time we were off enjoying beach, boating, etc, not dragging ourselves to some field for practice in 95* heat. Keep the rest of the money! I didn't even want to go to the tournament in CT on a Tuesday. Ahhh.
Its over. Mandate coming down the pipe because clubs are too greedy and parents are too notIntelligent. For all those teams that are squeezing in meaningless games now: i hope it is worth it.
The craziest part is that YOU, the parents, are to blame. Not the greedy club owners. Not the tournament organizers. Parents are salivating to put their kids in harms way in the name of a red solo cup, bragging rights, borderm or whatever the case is. How about all of the responsible parents still conglomerating at these practices or even car pooling to them? Thats very helpful in controlling the spread.. NOT!!! Hats off to the real leaders of these teams: The parents that said NO.
What did the coach say? Did he look at you like you were from outer space? Or did he look at you like "Finally, one of these dopes finally said it" ? Either way, applause to you. Most people on these boards post about the dangers and then run to practice and meaningless tournamemts afterwards frown Those people may actually be worse than the yo yo's that actually believe its a safe environment to begin with. frown
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Two Lax heavy towns in NJ. have been seeing a increase of corona cases in young people. I'm not going to mention the towns -- but many of the kids play on club teams across New Jersey.


Please provide your source for the information you stated. Seems like you are spewing “fake news”.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What did the coach say? Did he look at you like you were from outer space? Or did he look at you like "Finally, one of these dopes finally said it" ? Either way, applause to you. Most people on these boards post about the dangers and then run to practice and meaningless tournamemts afterwards frown Those people may actually be worse than the yo yo's that actually believe its a safe environment to begin with. frown

Going to be 100* today, practice scheduled for the middle of the afternoon and tomorrow, in prep for a tournament. Just emailed the coach to tell him count us out for the remainder of the season. Heading to VT for a few weeks.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What did the coach say? Did he look at you like you were from outer space? Or did he look at you like "Finally, one of these dopes finally said it" ? Either way, applause to you. Most people on these boards post about the dangers and then run to practice and meaningless tournamemts afterwards frown Those people may actually be worse than the yo yo's that actually believe its a safe environment to begin with. frown

The coach said he wished all the parents would decide not to attend. He doesn't even want to be there.
If you know anything about lacrosse in New Jersey you can guess the towns and then search on google. And it's not Mountain Lakes. One club already announced a case as mentioned on this board.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What did the coach say? Did he look at you like you were from outer space? Or did he look at you like "Finally, one of these dopes finally said it" ? Either way, applause to you. Most people on these boards post about the dangers and then run to practice and meaningless tournamemts afterwards frown Those people may actually be worse than the yo yo's that actually believe its a safe environment to begin with. frown

Going to be 100* today, practice scheduled for the middle of the afternoon and tomorrow, in prep for a tournament. Just emailed the coach to tell him count us out for the remainder of the season. Heading to VT for a few weeks.

Well make sure you keep little Sam/Samantha nice and cool. Provide a nice cold drink and make them a sandwich. Get extra batteries for their game boy. And go hide in your basement.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What did the coach say? Did he look at you like you were from outer space? Or did he look at you like "Finally, one of these dopes finally said it" ? Either way, applause to you. Most people on these boards post about the dangers and then run to practice and meaningless tournamemts afterwards frown Those people may actually be worse than the yo yo's that actually believe its a safe environment to begin with. frown

Going to be 100* today, practice scheduled for the middle of the afternoon and tomorrow, in prep for a tournament. Just emailed the coach to tell him count us out for the remainder of the season. Heading to VT for a few weeks.

Well make sure you keep little Sam/Samantha nice and cool. Provide a nice cold drink and make them a sandwich. Get extra batteries for their game boy. And go hide in your basement.

Has anyone else read that there has been a sginificant uptick in cases of 11-20 year old kids? Logic would dictate that there weren't many cases among this age group when schools were closed and kids were staying home. Now that kids are in restaurants, super markets and PLAYING YOUTH SPORTS, we see an uptick in cases within this age range. Seems obvious too me.
As an aside, Way to go on moving LI tournaments to NJ where we are seeing upticks in cases!! Absolutley brilliant move!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Two Lax heavy towns in NJ. have been seeing a increase of corona cases in young people. I'm not going to mention the towns -- but many of the kids play on club teams across New Jersey.


Please provide your source for the information you stated. Seems like you are spewing “fake news”.

Mansquan, Mad Dog! no fake news
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What did the coach say? Did he look at you like you were from outer space? Or did he look at you like "Finally, one of these dopes finally said it" ? Either way, applause to you. Most people on these boards post about the dangers and then run to practice and meaningless tournamemts afterwards frown Those people may actually be worse than the yo yo's that actually believe its a safe environment to begin with. frown

Yo yo?!! For real. Turn of CNN. Look at all the death rate, not the false positive rates that are running rampant to keep all in fear and inside until after the elections. The media has you all running scared. I feel sorry for you.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Two Lax heavy towns in NJ. have been seeing a increase of corona cases in young people. I'm not going to mention the towns -- but many of the kids play on club teams across New Jersey.


Please provide your source for the information you stated. Seems like you are spewing “fake news”.

https://patch.com/new-jersey/manasquan/manasquan-ends-recreation-limits-beaches-local-covid-outbreak
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Two Lax heavy towns in NJ. have been seeing a increase of corona cases in young people. I'm not going to mention the towns -- but many of the kids play on club teams across New Jersey.


Please provide your source for the information you stated. Seems like you are spewing “fake news”.

https://patch.com/new-jersey/manasquan/manasquan-ends-recreation-limits-beaches-local-covid-outbreak

Hmmmm. Manasquan is a “lax heavy town””. Seriously. How bout you tell me the club team from there. They are closing the beach Einstein. No mention of lax. CNN wants to interview you.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The craziest part is that YOU, the parents, are to blame. Not the greedy club owners. Not the tournament organizers. Parents are salivating to put their kids in harms way in the name of a red solo cup, bragging rights, borderm or whatever the case is. How about all of the responsible parents still conglomerating at these practices or even car pooling to them? Thats very helpful in controlling the spread.. NOT!!! Hats off to the real leaders of these teams: The parents that said NO.

My son just played five games over two days in 100 degree weather. He had fun and was happy to get to play lacrosse. YMMV.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has anyone else read that there has been a sginificant uptick in cases of 11-20 year old kids? Logic would dictate that there weren't many cases among this age group when schools were closed and kids were staying home. Now that kids are in restaurants, super markets and PLAYING YOUTH SPORTS, we see an uptick in cases within this age range. Seems obvious too me.
As an aside, Way to go on moving LI tournaments to NJ where we are seeing upticks in cases!! Absolutley brilliant move!!

Honest question: How long do you think we should keep kids at home? Do you think that is in their best interest - when the fatality rate in kids is all but non-existent?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What did the coach say? Did he look at you like you were from outer space? Or did he look at you like "Finally, one of these dopes finally said it" ? Either way, applause to you. Most people on these boards post about the dangers and then run to practice and meaningless tournamemts afterwards frown Those people may actually be worse than the yo yo's that actually believe its a safe environment to begin with. frown

Going to be 100* today, practice scheduled for the middle of the afternoon and tomorrow, in prep for a tournament. Just emailed the coach to tell him count us out for the remainder of the season. Heading to VT for a few weeks.

Well make sure you keep little Sam/Samantha nice and cool. Provide a nice cold drink and make them a sandwich. Get extra batteries for their game boy. And go hide in your basement.

Has anyone else read that there has been a sginificant uptick in cases of 11-20 year old kids? Logic would dictate that there weren't many cases among this age group when schools were closed and kids were staying home. Now that kids are in restaurants, super markets and PLAYING YOUTH SPORTS, we see an uptick in cases within this age range. Seems obvious too me.
As an aside, Way to go on moving LI tournaments to NJ where we are seeing upticks in cases!! Absolutley brilliant move!!


So don’t go. I respect that. But because you don’t want to go you don’t want others to go play. You people are all the same. I guess you know better than me. Please stop. Don’t go. Respect my decision if I elect to go.
Is laxfest moving off LI?
mandate???
A bunch of tourneys are moving to NJ. Could they have them on long island. I don't even think that they are allowed to play contact lacrosse on LI yet. How could any of there tourneys that are scheduled in next few weeks REALLY happen?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What did the coach say? Did he look at you like you were from outer space? Or did he look at you like "Finally, one of these dopes finally said it" ? Either way, applause to you. Most people on these boards post about the dangers and then run to practice and meaningless tournamemts afterwards frown Those people may actually be worse than the yo yo's that actually believe its a safe environment to begin with. frown

Going to be 100* today, practice scheduled for the middle of the afternoon and tomorrow, in prep for a tournament. Just emailed the coach to tell him count us out for the remainder of the season. Heading to VT for a few weeks.

Well make sure you keep little Sam/Samantha nice and cool. Provide a nice cold drink and make them a sandwich. Get extra batteries for their game boy. And go hide in your basement.

Has anyone else read that there has been a sginificant uptick in cases of 11-20 year old kids? Logic would dictate that there weren't many cases among this age group when schools were closed and kids were staying home. Now that kids are in restaurants, super markets and PLAYING YOUTH SPORTS, we see an uptick in cases within this age range. Seems obvious too me.
As an aside, Way to go on moving LI tournaments to NJ where we are seeing upticks in cases!! Absolutley brilliant move!!


So don’t go. I respect that. But because you don’t want to go you don’t want others to go play. You people are all the same. I guess you know better than me. Please stop. Don’t go. Respect my decision if I elect to go.

Hope you don't wind up like my mon, dead, or infect another person of high risk. Think about that, sefish slob!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What did the coach say? Did he look at you like you were from outer space? Or did he look at you like "Finally, one of these dopes finally said it" ? Either way, applause to you. Most people on these boards post about the dangers and then run to practice and meaningless tournamemts afterwards frown Those people may actually be worse than the yo yo's that actually believe its a safe environment to begin with. frown

Yo yo?!! For real. Turn of CNN. Look at all the death rate, not the false positive rates that are running rampant to keep all in fear and inside until after the elections. The media has you all running scared. I feel sorry for you.

So, I guess the MLB, NBA, NFL have consulted you regarding their return to play plan. I haven't watched a pro game since March. Billions of dollars are generated through pro-sports and players are hesitant to return. And here you are dragging your family around for meaningless youth lax tournaments because you are sitting home bored out of your mind and your spoiled brat kids are becoming worst by the hour. That in mind, you are getting tired of your little animals cursing you out or even hitting, throwing objects at you if they don't get what they want. You should be worried about the schools calling you so you can get your children in for their IEP meeting with the district, to assist you in a job you failed at!
The crackdown on out-of-state travel for lacrosse is coming in NY.

https://wnyt.com/warren-county-ny-n...ren-county-out-of-state-travel-/5799920/

https://www.northcountrypublicradio...rosse-team-subjects-of-covid-19-concerns
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Two Lax heavy towns in NJ. have been seeing a increase of corona cases in young people. I'm not going to mention the towns -- but many of the kids play on club teams across New Jersey.


Please provide your source for the information you stated. Seems like you are spewing “fake news”.

https://patch.com/new-jersey/manasquan/manasquan-ends-recreation-limits-beaches-local-covid-outbreak

Hmmmm. Manasquan is a “lax heavy town””. Seriously. How bout you tell me the club team from there. They are closing the beach Einstein. No mention of lax. CNN wants to interview you.

Mad Dog according to prior post. Watch their 2021 National team vs DC Express and see if all their Jesery kids on are on the field. My guess they will be missing a couple of key players
Awesome keep moving those Li tourneys to!!
#SHUT IT DOWN
Originally Posted by Anonymous
#SHUT IT DOWN

Tournaments rescheduled, moved out of state; where is my refund, LAX LIVES MATTER! Revolt against the machine.
Few of girls tested positive after last week’s Blue Chip camp, hope they don’t kill their grandparents!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Few of girls tested positive after last week’s Blue Chip camp, hope they don’t kill their grandparents!
Mom and dad don't care, they drain $$$ the grandparents to no end keeping up with the Jones. They only wish so they can collect.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What did the coach say? Did he look at you like you were from outer space? Or did he look at you like "Finally, one of these dopes finally said it" ? Either way, applause to you. Most people on these boards post about the dangers and then run to practice and meaningless tournamemts afterwards frown Those people may actually be worse than the yo yo's that actually believe its a safe environment to begin with. frown

Yo yo?!! For real. Turn of CNN. Look at all the death rate, not the false positive rates that are running rampant to keep all in fear and inside until after the elections. The media has you all running scared. I feel sorry for you.

So, I guess the MLB, NBA, NFL have consulted you regarding their return to play plan. I haven't watched a pro game since March. Billions of dollars are generated through pro-sports and players are hesitant to return. And here you are dragging your family around for meaningless youth lax tournaments because you are sitting home bored out of your mind and your spoiled brat kids are becoming worst by the hour. That in mind, you are getting tired of your little animals cursing you out or even hitting, throwing objects at you if they don't get what they want. You should be worried about the schools calling you so you can get your children in for their IEP meeting with the district, to assist you in a job you failed at!

LOL, my kids club actually canceled their season. My family life is awesome and yes my kids are rockstars in life. But again, turn off CNN. The political garbage and fear mongering that the media has done has turned so many crazy. You can have your freedoms taken away if you like. I’ll keep mine. And guess what, me and my kids aren’t going near anyone’s grandma so need to worry. You can be smart around immune comprised. NO need to lockdown the country. Oh yeah that’s right, the virus is immune tho to protestors right? Everyone else it effects tho. SMH.
Yes there are many reports of positive cases among the players being a few weeks into practices and events.
Yeah a few boys have tested positive after the recent events too...
Are the Tournaments this week in NJ still a go for LI teams?
In a "Normal" year the season is already over and people are already living their 1 month lax-hiatus lives . The clubs need to stop trying to schedule events and deal with parents as the 2019/2020 season is over. Some may want refunds, others may want a credit and some may want nothing except for the lunacy to end. It is a case by case basis. Most of these Koolaide drinkers would be easily dealt with but someone on the club side needs to sack up. Start planning next year as that is the real dilemma. There will be no fall practices/tourneys and certainly no "Indoor training" for the forseeable future.
We should look at this season as being over and stop putting people at risk.
Are the Connecticut tournaments still happening this weekend? Heard they may cancel?
Out of state travel is not a wise move right now. I thought it was banned to help stop the spread of the virus?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A bunch of tourneys are moving to NJ. Could they have them on long island. I don't even think that they are allowed to play contact lacrosse on LI yet. How could any of there tourneys that are scheduled in next few weeks REALLY happen?

Refunds! I knew it! Kids and parents idolize Paul R, go out and buy your MLM tee shirt and team paint their toe nails team color, like your hero Paul. R. Mr. Softie, vanilla pleaseeeee!
Its been over since March.. Cyber lacrosse and virtual training is not true lacrosse. Move onto 2020/2021 season already. This slop was done months ago. Or they can squeeze in a few more out of state tourneys that mean nothing and further jeopardize 2020/2021 too.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its been over since March.. Cyber lacrosse and virtual training is not true lacrosse. Move onto 2020/2021 season already. This slop was done months ago. Or they can squeeze in a few more out of state tourneys that mean nothing and further jeopardize 2020/2021 too.

Sure means a lot to the kids playing in them. Have your boy hit the wall and maybe he'll pick up with a solid team in a few years and be able to run with the big boys!
No refunds needed just spare everybody the risks involved with traveling and resume play next year.
Traveling out of state / out of the region is prohibited.

Local lacrosse team violates NY COVID-19 guidelines, player tests positive
https://cbs6albany.com/news/coronav...uidelines-now-dealing-with-positive-case

Every player is quarantined at home for 2 weeks. My understanding is the fines are $2000 and they stated they are enforcing them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Traveling out of state / out of the region is prohibited.

Local lacrosse team violates NY COVID-19 guidelines, player tests positive
https://cbs6albany.com/news/coronav...uidelines-now-dealing-with-positive-case

Every player is quarantined at home for 2 weeks. My understanding is the fines are $2000 and they stated they are enforcing them.

FLG is holding their BIG X tourney Aug1 in NJ. Notifications will be made! Parents are required to sign waivers creating a paper trail.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its been over since March.. Cyber lacrosse and virtual training is not true lacrosse. Move onto 2020/2021 season already. This slop was done months ago. Or they can squeeze in a few more out of state tourneys that mean nothing and further jeopardize 2020/2021 too.

Clubs just want to get anything in to check it off they did it . People still flocking out of state on a weekday for a 8am people . Are you kidding me ? Anyone work ? Stop drinking the cool aid people . You are letting the clubs run your life with last minute cancellations and moving to a different state . Stop giving them the upper hand and get a hobby .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Traveling out of state / out of the region is prohibited.

Local lacrosse team violates NY COVID-19 guidelines, player tests positive
https://cbs6albany.com/news/coronav...uidelines-now-dealing-with-positive-case

Every player is quarantined at home for 2 weeks. My understanding is the fines are $2000 and they stated they are enforcing them.

FLG is holding their BIG X tourney Aug1 in NJ. Notifications will be made! Parents are required to sign waivers creating a paper trail.

Coach Wink along with other coaches will give their parents up at a drop of a dime if pressured. 2K goes to NYS and 1st payment due for 2020-2021.
There is no travel ban to NJ

NJ is not on the quarantine list.

Ny law doesn't control what you do in another state.

There is no meaningful difference between girls field hockey, soccer and lacrosse. The distinction made under NY law is arbitrary.

Outdoor transmission especially above 70 degrees is unlikely.

Stop the madness. The issue is that lacrosse should be allowed in all of NY not that there is one case in a child who will almost certainly be fine and may not have even infected anyone.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Traveling out of state / out of the region is prohibited.

Local lacrosse team violates NY COVID-19 guidelines, player tests positive
https://cbs6albany.com/news/coronav...uidelines-now-dealing-with-positive-case

Every player is quarantined at home for 2 weeks. My understanding is the fines are $2000 and they stated they are enforcing them.

FLG is holding their BIG X tourney Aug1 in NJ. Notifications will be made! Parents are required to sign waivers creating a paper trail.

Coach Wink along with other coaches will give their parents up at a drop of a dime if pressured. 2K goes to NYS and 1st payment due for 2020-2021.

NO REFUNDS=LAW SUITS. If your school district did this they would be sued!

https://www.northcountrypublicradio...rosse-team-subjects-of-covid-19-concerns
They don't want to give refunds, click and fill out the information in the provided link;
https://aca-prod.accela.com/SUFFCO_...ame=COVID19&agencyCode=SUFFCO_REOPEN
Keep the Money! As someone said earlier we are typically done with LAX by this time every year so let’s just consider it over and come back to LAX in 2021 when we know more about the virus!

No sport or social gathering is going to be what it was pre covid for a long time
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep the Money! As someone said earlier we are typically done with LAX by this time every year so let’s just consider it over and come back to LAX in 2021 when we know more about the virus!

No sport or social gathering is going to be what it was pre covid for a long time

Let's get going starting September with two practices per week to make up for lost time. Our boys are ready and want to get back out there. They are socially distancing on the sidelines as well as the parents.
Blame the parents . They are the ones writing the checks and demanding that kids play in a potentially unsafe environment. They are also the ones filling up the gas tanks to travel out of the state for a few watered down games. For those of you electing to participate, and really see no detriment, well, I disagree, but that is your decision. For those of you posting on this site about how wrong it is and are then driving over a bridge at 7 a.m.on the weekend? Shame on you..you are the true culprits to the enablers.... I believe the book definition is "Hypocrite"...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blame the parents . They are the ones writing the checks and demanding that kids play in a potentially unsafe environment. They are also the ones filling up the gas tanks to travel out of the state for a few watered down games. For those of you electing to participate, and really see no detriment, well, I disagree, but that is your decision. For those of you posting on this site about how wrong it is and are then driving over a bridge at 7 a.m.on the weekend? Shame on you..you are the true culprits to the enablers.... I believe the book definition is "Hypocrite"...

I think the left wing fascists keep posting about closing things down. The majority want to play and travel. By continuing to post dribble about killing everyone doesn't help your cause. I think we are going to buy-cott instead of boycott.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blame the parents . They are the ones writing the checks and demanding that kids play in a potentially unsafe environment. They are also the ones filling up the gas tanks to travel out of the state for a few watered down games. For those of you electing to participate, and really see no detriment, well, I disagree, but that is your decision. For those of you posting on this site about how wrong it is and are then driving over a bridge at 7 a.m.on the weekend? Shame on you..you are the true culprits to the enablers.... I believe the book definition is "Hypocrite"...

News Just out from New York, Maryland and Delaware are now listed on the NY quarantine list.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...ats-to-new-yorks-covid-progress/2523067/

What are all of these programs going to do now? All it takes is for one kid to get sick.
There is the North Am Lacrosse tournament scheduled in just a few days over Jul 24-26 in Maryland. I just looked at the brackets and there are over 20 teams from NY/NJ/CT in the 2021-2023 grade brackets. Didn’t even look at the 2024-2029 grades, but there must at least as many from NY/NH/CT.

With Maryland now a quarantine state, wow what a fiasco. That was seriously pushing the limits to try to keep that tournament scheduled knowing the day to day changes with the quarantine states.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blame the parents . They are the ones writing the checks and demanding that kids play in a potentially unsafe environment. They are also the ones filling up the gas tanks to travel out of the state for a few watered down games. For those of you electing to participate, and really see no detriment, well, I disagree, but that is your decision. For those of you posting on this site about how wrong it is and are then driving over a bridge at 7 a.m.on the weekend? Shame on you..you are the true culprits to the enablers.... I believe the book definition is "Hypocrite"...

News Just out from New York, Maryland and Delaware are now listed on the NY quarantine list.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...ats-to-new-yorks-covid-progress/2523067/

What are all of these programs going to do now? All it takes is for one kid to get sick.

Ok, that's fine. NY/NJ/CT/MA/NH are allowed to freely move around with no quarantine.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is the North Am Lacrosse tournament scheduled in just a few days over Jul 24-26 in Maryland. I just looked at the brackets and there are over 20 teams from NY/NJ/CT in the 2021-2023 grade brackets. Didn’t even look at the 2024-2029 grades, but there must at least as many from NY/NH/CT.

With Maryland now a quarantine state, wow what a fiasco. That was seriously pushing the limits to try to keep that tournament scheduled knowing the day to day changes with the quarantine states.

All the statistics, data, tv news, office theory, mean nothing. These clubs should of called it a day back in June, or just stayed local. But all the crazy parents wanted to resume like nothing happened. Next, the way things are transpiring at this juncture schools will be delayed in opening . People refuse, or are unable to see the Big picture. Majority of circumstances are often taken personally without making an educated decision. Which leaves club owners open to exploit parents short comings and take full advantage of the opportunity to make money.
The programs will meet on a desolate field in the middle of nowhere, call it a "Voluntary shoot-around" and then hide their team uniforms. They will also use code words like " Wheels", "BTB" and "Laser". The grand finale will be charging all of the attending parents a $50 "Pandemic charge" ....... Wheres the dilemma in that? CLOWNS!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blame the parents . They are the ones writing the checks and demanding that kids play in a potentially unsafe environment. They are also the ones filling up the gas tanks to travel out of the state for a few watered down games. For those of you electing to participate, and really see no detriment, well, I disagree, but that is your decision. For those of you posting on this site about how wrong it is and are then driving over a bridge at 7 a.m.on the weekend? Shame on you..you are the true culprits to the enablers.... I believe the book definition is "Hypocrite"...

News Just out from New York, Maryland and Delaware are now listed on the NY quarantine list.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...ats-to-new-yorks-covid-progress/2523067/

What are all of these programs going to do now? All it takes is for one kid to get sick.

Ok, that's fine. NY/NJ/CT/MA/NH are allowed to freely move around with no quarantine.

New Yorkers are not allowed to freely move around to play lacrosse (or any other sport for that matter) - NYS has clearly said that competitive tournaments requiring travel are not allowed
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blame the parents . They are the ones writing the checks and demanding that kids play in a potentially unsafe environment. They are also the ones filling up the gas tanks to travel out of the state for a few watered down games. For those of you electing to participate, and really see no detriment, well, I disagree, but that is your decision. For those of you posting on this site about how wrong it is and are then driving over a bridge at 7 a.m.on the weekend? Shame on you..you are the true culprits to the enablers.... I believe the book definition is "Hypocrite"...

News Just out from New York, Maryland and Delaware are now listed on the NY quarantine list.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...ats-to-new-yorks-covid-progress/2523067/

What are all of these programs going to do now? All it takes is for one kid to get sick.


Guessing everyone will just ignore it and still attend. heck the darn Governor was just in Georgia meeting and greeting people without wearing a mask. Why would anyone take him seriously?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blame the parents . They are the ones writing the checks and demanding that kids play in a potentially unsafe environment. They are also the ones filling up the gas tanks to travel out of the state for a few watered down games. For those of you electing to participate, and really see no detriment, well, I disagree, but that is your decision. For those of you posting on this site about how wrong it is and are then driving over a bridge at 7 a.m.on the weekend? Shame on you..you are the true culprits to the enablers.... I believe the book definition is "Hypocrite"...

News Just out from New York, Maryland and Delaware are now listed on the NY quarantine list.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...ats-to-new-yorks-covid-progress/2523067/

What are all of these programs going to do now? All it takes is for one kid to get sick.


Guessing everyone will just ignore it and still attend. heck the darn Governor was just in Georgia meeting and greeting people without wearing a mask. Why would anyone take him seriously?

They just moved the NALF to PA since MD was added to the quarantine list.
Pandrew Cuomo is not in quarantine he was just in Georgia.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pandrew Cuomo is not in quarantine he was just in Georgia.


Or he could do the fake quarantine like his stunad brother.
And we all know Georgia's numbers are much worse than MD, DE & VA

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pandrew Cuomo is not in quarantine he was just in Georgia.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pandrew Cuomo is not in quarantine he was just in Georgia.


Or he could do the fake quarantine like his stunad brother.

Or do Yoga in East Hampton in Jimmy Choo's shoe store like his Sister-in-law just did....... While hundreds of gyms are padlocked and thousands of employees unemployed
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No refunds needed just spare everybody the risks involved with traveling and resume play next year.

I'll speak for my own money thank you. Not everyone lives in Manhasset or GC or is a club director!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep the Money! As someone said earlier we are typically done with LAX by this time every year so let’s just consider it over and come back to LAX in 2021 when we know more about the virus!

No sport or social gathering is going to be what it was pre covid for a long time

Geez, this forum is full of rich guys! Don't know about you, I work hard for my money.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blame the parents . They are the ones writing the checks and demanding that kids play in a potentially unsafe environment. They are also the ones filling up the gas tanks to travel out of the state for a few watered down games. For those of you electing to participate, and really see no detriment, well, I disagree, but that is your decision. For those of you posting on this site about how wrong it is and are then driving over a bridge at 7 a.m.on the weekend? Shame on you..you are the true culprits to the enablers.... I believe the book definition is "Hypocrite"...

I think the left wing fascists keep posting about closing things down. The majority want to play and travel. By continuing to post dribble about killing everyone doesn't help your cause. I think we are going to buy-cott instead of boycott.

Yes, yes Buy More lacrosse! That is the answer! Lordy, this must be club director!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blame the parents . They are the ones writing the checks and demanding that kids play in a potentially unsafe environment. They are also the ones filling up the gas tanks to travel out of the state for a few watered down games. For those of you electing to participate, and really see no detriment, well, I disagree, but that is your decision. For those of you posting on this site about how wrong it is and are then driving over a bridge at 7 a.m.on the weekend? Shame on you..you are the true culprits to the enablers.... I believe the book definition is "Hypocrite"...

I think the left wing fascists keep posting about closing things down. The majority want to play and travel. By continuing to post dribble about killing everyone doesn't help your cause. I think we are going to buy-cott instead of boycott.

Yes, yes Buy More lacrosse! That is the answer! Lordy, this must be club director!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is the North Am Lacrosse tournament scheduled in just a few days over Jul 24-26 in Maryland. I just looked at the brackets and there are over 20 teams from NY/NJ/CT in the 2021-2023 grade brackets. Didn’t even look at the 2024-2029 grades, but there must at least as many from NY/NH/CT.

With Maryland now a quarantine state, wow what a fiasco. That was seriously pushing the limits to try to keep that tournament scheduled knowing the day to day changes with the quarantine states.

All the statistics, data, tv news, office theory, mean nothing. These clubs should of called it a day back in June, or just stayed local. But all the crazy parents wanted to resume like nothing happened. Next, the way things are transpiring at this juncture schools will be delayed in opening . People refuse, or are unable to see the Big picture. Majority of circumstances are often taken personally without making an educated decision. Which leaves club owners open to exploit parents short comings and take full advantage of the opportunity to make money.

So its the crazy parents that is driving the directors? Its not the directors driving this madness as not to return funds to the masses? Every player and most parents want to see the boys play. Dodging all these quarantines, enough already. Call it a day, regroup and shoot for 2021. Everyone is spinning wheels.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blame the parents . They are the ones writing the checks and demanding that kids play in a potentially unsafe environment. They are also the ones filling up the gas tanks to travel out of the state for a few watered down games. For those of you electing to participate, and really see no detriment, well, I disagree, but that is your decision. For those of you posting on this site about how wrong it is and are then driving over a bridge at 7 a.m.on the weekend? Shame on you..you are the true culprits to the enablers.... I believe the book definition is "Hypocrite"...

I think the left wing fascists keep posting about closing things down. The majority want to play and travel. By continuing to post dribble about killing everyone doesn't help your cause. I think we are going to buy-cott instead of boycott.

Yes, yes Buy More lacrosse! That is the answer! Lordy, this must be club director!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is the North Am Lacrosse tournament scheduled in just a few days over Jul 24-26 in Maryland. I just looked at the brackets and there are over 20 teams from NY/NJ/CT in the 2021-2023 grade brackets. Didn’t even look at the 2024-2029 grades, but there must at least as many from NY/NH/CT.

With Maryland now a quarantine state, wow what a fiasco. That was seriously pushing the limits to try to keep that tournament scheduled knowing the day to day changes with the quarantine states.

All the statistics, data, tv news, office theory, mean nothing. These clubs should of called it a day back in June, or just stayed local. But all the crazy parents wanted to resume like nothing happened. Next, the way things are transpiring at this juncture schools will be delayed in opening . People refuse, or are unable to see the Big picture. Majority of circumstances are often taken personally without making an educated decision. Which leaves club owners open to exploit parents short comings and take full advantage of the opportunity to make money.

So its the crazy parents that is driving the directors? Its not the directors driving this madness as not to return funds to the masses? Every player and most parents want to see the boys play. Dodging all these quarantines, enough already. Call it a day, regroup and shoot for 2021. Everyone is spinning wheels.

See you at practice tomorrow! My son can't wait to get out there.
Under Armour games?
They will most likely be moved
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blame the parents . They are the ones writing the checks and demanding that kids play in a potentially unsafe environment. They are also the ones filling up the gas tanks to travel out of the state for a few watered down games. For those of you electing to participate, and really see no detriment, well, I disagree, but that is your decision. For those of you posting on this site about how wrong it is and are then driving over a bridge at 7 a.m.on the weekend? Shame on you..you are the true culprits to the enablers.... I believe the book definition is "Hypocrite"...

I think the left wing fascists keep posting about closing things down. The majority want to play and travel. By continuing to post dribble about killing everyone doesn't help your cause. I think we are going to buy-cott instead of boycott.

Yes, yes Buy More lacrosse! That is the answer! Lordy, this must be club director!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is the North Am Lacrosse tournament scheduled in just a few days over Jul 24-26 in Maryland. I
just looked at the brackets and there are over 20 teams from NY/NJ/CT in the 2021-2023 grade brackets. Didn’t even look at the 2024-2029 grades, but there must at least as many from NY/NH/CT.

With Maryland now a quarantine state, wow what a fiasco. That was seriously pushing the limits to try to keep that tournament scheduled knowing the day to day changes with the quarantine states.

All the statistics, data, tv news, office theory, mean nothing. These clubs should of called it a day back in June, or just stayed local. But all the crazy parents wanted to resume like nothing happened. Next, the way things are transpiring at this juncture schools will be delayed in opening . People refuse, or are unable to see the Big picture. Majority of circumstances are often taken personally without making an educated decision. Which leaves club owners open to exploit parents short comings and take full advantage of the opportunity to make money.

So its the crazy parents that is driving the directors? Its not the directors driving this madness as not to return funds to the masses? Every player and most parents want to see the boys play. Dodging all these quarantines, enough already. Call it a day, regroup and shoot for 2021. Everyone is spinning wheels.

See you at practice tomorrow! My son can't wait to get out there.

I can BS on you pal. Your son knows deep down inside that it's notIntelligent to be having team practices and tournaments this summer. He wants to be at the beach relaxing and he wants to get back to school and sports in the fall. Unfortunately he's got a parent pushing for summer lax and it's just going to help further mess things up for the kids this fall. Penny wise pound foolish my friend.
Even if the kid wants to play, I get it. But that is why they are called "kids". They cannot make important, rational decisions at this age. But then again, neither can their parents.... And if the kid is telling the parent how shizzle is going to go down then the parent needs to get their house in order. #parenting for dummies
They continue to close down states for travel and cases are rising real close to home. Why are we letting ourselves be put at risk? Because of no refunds? because we’re drinking the cool aid? Shut it down and resume when we have the virus under control. Yeah it’s inconvenient as well because we are typically done with the season and enjoying our summers about now but lets be realistic about what’s happening and make descions that prove we’re being cautious and smart.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Even if the kid wants to play, I get it. But that is why they are called "kids". They cannot make important, rational decisions at this age. But then again, neither can their parents.... And if the kid is telling the parent how shizzle is going to go down then the parent needs to get their house in order. #parenting for dummies

I told my kid what we were going to do and NOT going to do. And we were not going to run behind a clueless club director, remaining on calling daily, to informing us on time and location of a meaningless out of state tournament in the middle of the week. Let alone still conducting practices during the afternoons on the weekends, in late July and August.
So NAL is now in middle of nowhere PA. Can't we just schedule games vs each other or does that make too much sense rather than drive 3 hours to play teams in our backyards.
Again, ALL FAULT is on the parents. They don't have to bring their kids. THEY WANT TO! They choose to. It isnt on the clubs at this point. If you want to put a drug dealer out of business you stop buying from them. Want Lax clubs to cut the BS? Then Stop bringing the kids to practice and meaningless out of state lacrosse dances. Its simple. IT ON THE PARENTS! But just think: When Fall Lax gets shut down entirely because these boneheads keep spreading C-19 at least Lil Johnny will have scored that life changing goal, across state lines, at some bush league Lax jamboree in 95 degeree heat. Best part: Kid will have forgotten all about it on that long ride home while your seconding guessing your decision to attend in the first place. Sheep! Baaaaaaahhhhhhh! LAX ON!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So NAL is now in middle of nowhere PA. Can't we just schedule games vs each other or does that make too much sense rather than drive 3 hours to play teams in our backyards.
No we can't play games in our backyards because New York is not allowing lacrosse games/tournaments/scrimmages at this point - that is why all of these tournaments are being moved out of state - what people don't realize is that New York is also not allowing people to travel (to any state - regardless of if it is on the quarantine list or not) to participate in any sports tournaments
Are these Long Island tournaments going to take place at end of July and beginning of August at St Paul's?
For “non-contact lacrosse”, games, meets, matches, scrimmages are allowed in the State of New York. There is no reason why girl’s teams need to play out of state. Team 91, Legacy, Elevate and Empire are asking parents to willfully ignore NY State guidelines and play out of state. Top Guns, YJ and Jesters appear to be following the guidelines. Parents are free to choose whether to willfully ignore the guidelines or not. It’s that simple. Freedom of choice. Maybe this list will help you choose where you want your daughter to play next year. Maybe look at FLG, Bandits, and others too to see what they are doing this summer.
Where is it posted that travel out of state is not allowed? Just curious. People have attached links from newspaper articles, etc, but those are not official. Is there a NY state website that states that teams are not allowed to travel out of state?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For “non-contact lacrosse”, games, meets, matches, scrimmages are allowed in the State of New York. There is no reason why girl’s teams need to play out of state. Team 91, Legacy, Elevate and Empire are asking parents to willfully ignore NY State guidelines and play out of state. Top Guns, YJ and Jesters appear to be following the guidelines. Parents are free to choose whether to willfully ignore the guidelines or not. It’s that simple. Freedom of choice. Maybe this list will help you choose where you want your daughter to play next year. Maybe look at FLG, Bandits, and others too to see what they are doing this summer.

Just go to Tourney Machine. Clubs include; ECE, 91, FLG, Turtles. FLG is leading the charge sanctioning out of state tournaments. The others are asking their parents to ignore NYS guidelines regarding COVID.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where is it posted that travel out of state is not allowed? Just curious. People have attached links from newspaper articles, etc, but those are not official. Is there a NY state website that states that teams are not allowed to travel out of state?

https://www.governor.ny.gov/sites/g...s/SportsAndRecreationSummaryGuidance.pdf
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where is it posted that travel out of state is not allowed? Just curious. People have attached links from newspaper articles, etc, but those are not official. Is there a NY state website that states that teams are not allowed to travel out of state?

https://www.governor.ny.gov/sites/g...s/SportsAndRecreationSummaryGuidance.pdf
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where is it posted that travel out of state is not allowed? Just curious. People have attached links from newspaper articles, etc, but those are not official. Is there a NY state website that states that teams are not allowed to travel out of state?

https://www.governor.ny.gov/sites/g...s/SportsAndRecreationSummaryGuidance.pdf

Lax parents are not the brightest of primates walking the face of this earth. The clubs along with the parents traveling out of state participating in tournaments are all subjected to fines. Legacy, 91, ECE, FLG, Turtles.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Under Armour games?
It's no longer Under Armour they pulled out.. it's All Star our something like that. It's going to die.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blame the parents . They are the ones writing the checks and demanding that kids play in a potentially unsafe environment. They are also the ones filling up the gas tanks to travel out of the state for a few watered down games. For those of you electing to participate, and really see no detriment, well, I disagree, but that is your decision. For those of you posting on this site about how wrong it is and are then driving over a bridge at 7 a.m.on the weekend? Shame on you..you are the true culprits to the enablers.... I believe the book definition is "Hypocrite"...

I think the left wing fascists keep posting about closing things down. The majority want to play and travel. By continuing to post dribble about killing everyone doesn't help your cause. I think we are going to buy-cott instead of boycott.

Yes, yes Buy More lacrosse! That is the answer! Lordy, this must be club director!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is the North Am Lacrosse tournament scheduled in just a few days over Jul 24-26 in Maryland. I just looked at the brackets and there are over 20 teams from NY/NJ/CT in the 2021-2023 grade brackets. Didn’t even look at the 2024-2029 grades, but there must at least as many from NY/NH/CT.

With Maryland now a quarantine state, wow what a fiasco. That was seriously pushing the limits to try to keep that tournament scheduled knowing the day to day changes with the quarantine states.

All the statistics, data, tv news, office theory, mean nothing. These clubs should of called it a day back in June, or just stayed local. But all the crazy parents wanted to resume like nothing happened. Next, the way things are transpiring at this juncture schools will be delayed in opening . People refuse, or are unable to see the Big picture. Majority of circumstances are often taken personally without making an educated decision. Which leaves club owners open to exploit parents short comings and take full advantage of the opportunity to make money.

So its the crazy parents that is driving the directors? Its not the directors driving this madness as not to return funds to the masses? Every player and most parents want to see the boys play. Dodging all these quarantines, enough already. Call it a day, regroup and shoot for 2021. Everyone is spinning wheels.

See you at practice tomorrow! My son can't wait to get out there.

That tournament was moved to PA. Realistically, how many more events can the club directors put on at the pace states are turning up on the quarantine list.
AS MANY AS THEY CAN TO SILENCE THE PARENTS AND NOT CUT REFUND CHECKS!
Just read your link and trying to find where it says travel out of state is not allowed and that parents will be fined? Not the brightest so looking to you to point it out for me.
Dopey parents can't travel for work or vacation but driving all over the east coast to stoke their feeble ego's and get drunk.
Top 10 reasons parents cant "Just say no" to Lax during a pandemic:

10: They are not fans of Nancy Reagan
9. They believe their kid is the next "Big thing"
8. Tournaments are a great way to get a sun tan
7. The exceptional company & conversation with other parents on the team
6. They haven't used up all of the mileage on their lease
5. "Lax is life"
4. Want to show off that Team Swag that cost $3k
3. Yelling "Wheels" and "That's gotta be white" beats reading a book
2. Monkey See, Monkey do
1. They believe virus is a hoax
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just read your link and trying to find where it says travel out of state is not allowed and that parents will be fined? Not the brightest so looking to you to point it out for me.

"Competitive tournaments of multiple games, meets, matches, or scrimmages requiring travel" listed as prohibited for high risk sports like lacrosse
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 10 reasons parents cant "Just say no" to Lax during a pandemic:

10: They are not fans of Nancy Reagan
9. They believe their kid is the next "Big thing"
8. Tournaments are a great way to get a sun tan
7. The exceptional company & conversation with other parents on the team
6. They haven't used up all of the mileage on their lease
5. "Lax is life"
4. Want to show off that Team Swag that cost $3k
3. Yelling "Wheels" and "That's gotta be white" beats reading a book
2. Monkey See, Monkey do
1. They believe virus is a hoax

Not quite l o s e r. Stay away from lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just read your link and trying to find where it says travel out of state is not allowed and that parents will be fined? Not the brightest so looking to you to point it out for me.

The link was provided in response to someone asking about out of state travel, not fines. I know, reading can be hard. On page one of the guidelines under Type of Play Allowed, there are checkmarks next to things allowed, and X's next to things not allowed. In the not allowed category is "Competitive tournaments of multiple games, meets, matches, or scrimmages requiring travel."
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 10 reasons parents cant "Just say no" to Lax during a pandemic:

10: They are not fans of Nancy Reagan
9. They believe their kid is the next "Big thing"
8. Tournaments are a great way to get a sun tan
7. The exceptional company & conversation with other parents on the team
6. They haven't used up all of the mileage on their lease
5. "Lax is life"
4. Want to show off that Team Swag that cost $3k
3. Yelling "Wheels" and "That's gotta be white" beats reading a book
2. Monkey See, Monkey do
1. They believe virus is a hoax


The fact that you are wasting your time on this lame attempt at humor means your kid's team is not playing and you're resentful or you are having serious doubts about holding your kid out of the tournaments.
My son's team is playing and everyone having fun.
NAL Director is all about the $$. NY based too.
From.
https://poststar.com/news/local/off...f7f3974-3718-5244-ad7f-5fc80e24c49a.html
"Those who violate New York’s quarantine order can be fined up to $2,000, and Warren County Health Services indicated it will enforce the rules."
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just read your link and trying to find where it says travel out of state is not allowed and that parents will be fined? Not the brightest so looking to you to point it out for me.

The link was provided in response to someone asking about out of state travel, not fines. I know, reading can be hard. On page one of the guidelines under Type of Play Allowed, there are checkmarks next to things allowed, and X's next to things not allowed. In the not allowed category is "Competitive tournaments of multiple games, meets, matches, or scrimmages requiring travel."
oh, then I guess we'll be going to the tournament and having fun!!!!!!
Now now, I hit a nerve. Feeling guilty? Tisk tisk son!
Dont get angry. You is what you is!!! C'mon bro...Lets sing the Lax Anthem together:

Red Solo Cup
I fill you up
Lets have a party (2x)

I love you
Red Solo Cup
I lift you up
Proceed to party (2x)

Sing it proudly little man! Show your team spirit! The kids can dosey doe while you and the other parents sing aloud. A fine example you are! Enjoy the games!
Is
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From.
https://poststar.com/news/local/off...f7f3974-3718-5244-ad7f-5fc80e24c49a.html
"Those who violate New York’s quarantine order can be fined up to $2,000, and Warren County Health Services indicated it will enforce the rules."


Oh my. It’s the covid police.
What about Connecticut? Is that legal. For tournaments?
nope, cannot travel out of your region (Long Island) for tournaments
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dont get angry. You is what you is!!! C'mon bro...Lets sing the Lax Anthem together:

Red Solo Cup
I fill you up
Lets have a party (2x)

I love you
Red Solo Cup
I lift you up
Proceed to party (2x)

Sing it proudly little man! Show your team spirit! The kids can dosey doe while you and the other parents sing aloud. A fine example you are! Enjoy the games!


Stop!!!!!!!! LoL!!!! The Red Solo Cup Coward is great, one of them obnoxious entitled jerks gave me a free Yeti cooler when he forgot to load it in his mechanically challenged Range Rover and barely missed backing over it after acting like a clown all day at a past tournament. The coolers great keeps my bait frozen on the overnights.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From.
https://poststar.com/news/local/off...f7f3974-3718-5244-ad7f-5fc80e24c49a.html
"Those who violate New York’s quarantine order can be fined up to $2,000, and Warren County Health Services indicated it will enforce the rules."

So what happens now, we went from asking for refunds to soon making a payment for the 2020-2021 season? And what exactly are we getting, more of the same nonsense?
So we can’t leave LI for Any sports?
I’ve seen a lot of NY teams all over CT the past several weeks. 3 different locations.
You are not supposed to leave unless it is an emergency. And if you do you are supposed to self quarantine upon your return. Hearing CT is about to pull the plug as the cat is out of the bag.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are not supposed to leave unless it is an emergency. And if you do you are supposed to self quarantine upon your return. Hearing CT is about to pull the plug as the cat is out of the bag.

We are suppose to play in NJ in a couple of weeks in BIG X tournament originally scheduled for Hofstra. I guess that's on egg shells now.
There is tri state travel advisory. NY CT and NJ residents do not have to quarantine when traveling to those states if they are resident of the tri state. It’s when they travel to a state that is a hot spot they have quarantine or when flying fill out a form at the airport. Reading ability varies from town to town, hope it isn't too difficult to comprehend this; https://www.governor.ny.gov/sites/g...s/SportsAndRecreationSummaryGuidance.pdf
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is tri state travel advisory. NY CT and NJ residents do not have to quarantine when traveling to those states if they are resident of the tri state. It’s when they travel to a state that is a hot spot they have quarantine or when flying fill out a form at the airport
Can I just ask, if you chose to play like we have, please wear a mask and socially distance. At the very least, when I’m wearing a mask in 100 degree weather, stop moving closer. It’s really not that hard. Make a choice but make an attempt to follow some rules.
The boys are having fun and we can beat all of this with a little effort. Shoot, if half the effort spent posting were applied to basics like masks and distance we may have a full season next year. If not NJ and CT are going to kick us all out and you’ll really be wondering how to talk to the family.

Reading ability varies from town to town, hope it isn't too difficult to comprehend this; https://www.governor.ny.gov/sites/g...s/SportsAndRecreationSummaryGuidance.pdf
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dopey parents can't travel for work or vacation but driving all over the east coast to stoke their feeble ego's and get drunk.
Dopey teachers crying about school in September that its not safe but travel on vacations all summer and travel for lacrosse tournaments out of state on a moments notice. Scams all around .
What kind of person harasses people on a lacrosse page whilst being on said lacrosse page? They criticize people on a lacrosse page for wanting their kids to play lacrosse but don’t see how pathetic they are for being on that lacrosse page.
And if you are a male please hand in your card. It’s embarrassing.
Your post is untrue. There is nothing that says you can't leave the state or travel to another state. NY law doesn't govern what you do in another state. The return to play rules only apply in NY. There is no requirement to quarantine upon return from NJ or NY or PA.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your post is untrue. There is nothing that says you can't leave the state or travel to another state. NY law doesn't govern what you do in another state. The return to play rules only apply in NY. There is no requirement to quarantine upon return from NJ or NY or PA.

"Competitive tournaments of multiple games, meets, matches, or scrimmages requiring travel" When you went to CT last week, little Cooper played in a competitive tournament in-turn, required you to travel into CT. What don't you understand. That aside, please open the schools in September. Parents will greatly benefit, enrolling in evening remedial reading comprehension classes after feeding time.
Traveling during a Pandemic to play is just another thing to add to the list of us delusional parents living through our kids, throwing crazy amounts of money at the sport, kissing the butt of directors, eating garbage with a smile every time our coach speaks, pretending we care about the team when its really just about our kids. Its really quite sad if you look in the mirror and analyze what we have become.

Oh and it looks like more and more college sports like lax will be defunded because nobody but us parents got to watch
The bottom line is Kiddie lax isnt all that important in lieu of current events. And playing these out of state tournaments is accomplishing nothing other than occupying your kid for a few hrs and allowing you an escape from the real world. All this while aiding in the spread of Covid and diminishing the chances of a fall season. Nicely done. You are all true role models for your kids. YEAH RIGHT
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 10 reasons parents cant "Just say no" to Lax during a pandemic:

10: They are not fans of Nancy Reagan
9. They believe their kid is the next "Big thing"
8. Tournaments are a great way to get a sun tan
7. The exceptional company & conversation with other parents on the team
6. They haven't used up all of the mileage on their lease
5. "Lax is life"
4. Want to show off that Team Swag that cost $3k
3. Yelling "Wheels" and "That's gotta be white" beats reading a book
2. Monkey See, Monkey do
1. They believe virus is a hoax


The fact that you are wasting your time on this lame attempt at humor means your kid's team is not playing and you're resentful or you are having serious doubts about holding your kid out of the tournaments.
My son's team is playing and everyone having fun.


This is so on point. While I do think that some parents have a legitimate concern about returning to play, I am equally as sure that many parents are upset that their kids club pulled the plug on the season. If your club cancelled the season, or you opted to keep your kid out, there is certainly no reason to troll a lax forum looking to spout your opinion to everybody. While I am letting my son play, it is not for some lax bro culture reason, it's simply because I believe that it is the best thing for him mentally and physically. We, as parents, take all reasonable precautions, and we urge our son to do the same. Moreover, how many parents on this board are knocking those of us with kids that are playing, but their own kid is hanging out with a huge group of kids at the park, beach, etc.. I respect the decision that anybody makes to not play, but please respect my decision as well.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 10 reasons parents cant "Just say no" to Lax during a pandemic:

10: They are not fans of Nancy Reagan
9. They believe their kid is the next "Big thing"
8. Tournaments are a great way to get a sun tan
7. The exceptional company & conversation with other parents on the team
6. They haven't used up all of the mileage on their lease
5. "Lax is life"
4. Want to show off that Team Swag that cost $3k
3. Yelling "Wheels" and "That's gotta be white" beats reading a book
2. Monkey See, Monkey do
1. They believe virus is a hoax


The fact that you are wasting your time on this lame attempt at humor means your kid's team is not playing and you're resentful or you are having serious doubts about holding your kid out of the tournaments.
My son's team is playing and everyone having fun.


This is so on point. While I do think that some parents have a legitimate concern about returning to play, I am equally as sure that many parents are upset that their kids club pulled the plug on the season. If your club cancelled the season, or you opted to keep your kid out, there is certainly no reason to troll a lax forum looking to spout your opinion to everybody. While I am letting my son play, it is not for some lax bro culture reason, it's simply because I believe that it is the best thing for him mentally and physically. We, as parents, take all reasonable precautions, and we urge our son to do the same. Moreover, how many parents on this board are knocking those of us with kids that are playing, but their own kid is hanging out with a huge group of kids at the park, beach, etc.. I respect the decision that anybody makes to not play, but please respect my decision as well.

Signed,
Delusional future D1 full ride recruit parent
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 10 reasons parents cant "Just say no" to Lax during a pandemic:

10: They are not fans of Nancy Reagan
9. They believe their kid is the next "Big thing"
8. Tournaments are a great way to get a sun tan
7. The exceptional company & conversation with other parents on the team
6. They haven't used up all of the mileage on their lease
5. "Lax is life"
4. Want to show off that Team Swag that cost $3k
3. Yelling "Wheels" and "That's gotta be white" beats reading a book
2. Monkey See, Monkey do
1. They believe virus is a hoax


The fact that you are wasting your time on this lame attempt at humor means your kid's team is not playing and you're resentful or you are having serious doubts about holding your kid out of the tournaments.
My son's team is playing and everyone having fun.


This is so on point. While I do think that some parents have a legitimate concern about returning to play, I am equally as sure that many parents are upset that their kids club pulled the plug on the season. If your club cancelled the season, or you opted to keep your kid out, there is certainly no reason to troll a lax forum looking to spout your opinion to everybody. While I am letting my son play, it is not for some lax bro culture reason, it's simply because I believe that it is the best thing for him mentally and physically. We, as parents, take all reasonable precautions, and we urge our son to do the same. Moreover, how many parents on this board are knocking those of us with kids that are playing, but their own kid is hanging out with a huge group of kids at the park, beach, etc.. I respect the decision that anybody makes to not play, but please respect my decision as well.

Signed,
Delusional future D1 full ride recruit parent

No delusions on this end, but keep trolling the forums
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 10 reasons parents cant "Just say no" to Lax during a pandemic:

10: They are not fans of Nancy Reagan
9. They believe their kid is the next "Big thing"
8. Tournaments are a great way to get a sun tan
7. The exceptional company & conversation with other parents on the team
6. They haven't used up all of the mileage on their lease
5. "Lax is life"
4. Want to show off that Team Swag that cost $3k
3. Yelling "Wheels" and "That's gotta be white" beats reading a book
2. Monkey See, Monkey do
1. They believe virus is a hoax


The fact that you are wasting your time on this lame attempt at humor means your kid's team is not playing and you're resentful or you are having serious doubts about holding your kid out of the tournaments.
My son's team is playing and everyone having fun.


This is so on point. While I do think that some parents have a legitimate concern about returning to play, I am equally as sure that many parents are upset that their kids club pulled the plug on the season. If your club cancelled the season, or you opted to keep your kid out, there is certainly no reason to troll a lax forum looking to spout your opinion to everybody. While I am letting my son play, it is not for some lax bro culture reason, it's simply because I believe that it is the best thing for him mentally and physically. We, as parents, take all reasonable precautions, and we urge our son to do the same. Moreover, how many parents on this board are knocking those of us with kids that are playing, but their own kid is hanging out with a huge group of kids at the park, beach, etc.. I respect the decision that anybody makes to not play, but please respect my decision as well.

Signed,
Delusional future D1 full ride recruit parent

Says the guy that runs to buy the tournament t-shirt, and probably upgrades to the performance shirt with his kids name and number for an extra $25
Now now ladies...let's stick to the script. No Refunds.... Is 1 cheesy tournament across state lines good enough to keep you from asking for a partial refund or a credit?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 10 reasons parents cant "Just say no" to Lax during a pandemic:

10: They are not fans of Nancy Reagan
9. They believe their kid is the next "Big thing"
8. Tournaments are a great way to get a sun tan
7. The exceptional company & conversation with other parents on the team
6. They haven't used up all of the mileage on their lease
5. "Lax is life"
4. Want to show off that Team Swag that cost $3k
3. Yelling "Wheels" and "That's gotta be white" beats reading a book
2. Monkey See, Monkey do
1. They believe virus is a hoax


The fact that you are wasting your time on this lame attempt at humor means your kid's team is not playing and you're resentful or you are having serious doubts about holding your kid out of the tournaments.
My son's team is playing and everyone having fun.


This is so on point. While I do think that some parents have a legitimate concern about returning to play, I am equally as sure that many parents are upset that their kids club pulled the plug on the season. If your club cancelled the season, or you opted to keep your kid out, there is certainly no reason to troll a lax forum looking to spout your opinion to everybody. While I am letting my son play, it is not for some lax bro culture reason, it's simply because I believe that it is the best thing for him mentally and physically. We, as parents, take all reasonable precautions, and we urge our son to do the same. Moreover, how many parents on this board are knocking those of us with kids that are playing, but their own kid is hanging out with a huge group of kids at the park, beach, etc.. I respect the decision that anybody makes to not play, but please respect my decision as well.

Signed,
Delusional future D1 full ride recruit parent

Says the guy that runs to buy the tournament t-shirt, and probably upgrades to the performance shirt with his kids name and number for an extra $25

Last I heard from my club is BIG X is moved to NJ. Texted coach, and emailed organization yesterday, no answer . This change of venue is way past old. If no definite answer by beginning of next week, we are out. Entire summer ruined over this lax business. Thought if I wasn't getting a refund, use up the restart time, but not worth it. Should of opted out in June.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 10 reasons parents cant "Just say no" to Lax during a pandemic:

10: They are not fans of Nancy Reagan
9. They believe their kid is the next "Big thing"
8. Tournaments are a great way to get a sun tan
7. The exceptional company & conversation with other parents on the team
6. They haven't used up all of the mileage on their lease
5. "Lax is life"
4. Want to show off that Team Swag that cost $3k
3. Yelling "Wheels" and "That's gotta be white" beats reading a book
2. Monkey See, Monkey do
1. They believe virus is a hoax


The fact that you are wasting your time on this lame attempt at humor means your kid's team is not playing and you're resentful or you are having serious doubts about holding your kid out of the tournaments.
My son's team is playing and everyone having fun.


This is so on point. While I do think that some parents have a legitimate concern about returning to play, I am equally as sure that many parents are upset that their kids club pulled the plug on the season. If your club cancelled the season, or you opted to keep your kid out, there is certainly no reason to troll a lax forum looking to spout your opinion to everybody. While I am letting my son play, it is not for some lax bro culture reason, it's simply because I believe that it is the best thing for him mentally and physically. We, as parents, take all reasonable precautions, and we urge our son to do the same. Moreover, how many parents on this board are knocking those of us with kids that are playing, but their own kid is hanging out with a huge group of kids at the park, beach, etc.. I respect the decision that anybody makes to not play, but please respect my decision as well.


bingo..
This is so on point. While I do think that some parents have a legitimate concern about returning to play, I am equally as sure that many parents are upset that their kids club pulled the plug on the season. If your club cancelled the season, or you opted to keep your kid out, there is certainly no reason to troll a lax forum looking to spout your opinion to everybody. While I am letting my son play, it is not for some lax bro culture reason, it's simply because I believe that it is the best thing for him mentally and physically. We, as parents, take all reasonable precautions, and we urge our son to do the same. Moreover, how many parents on this board are knocking those of us with kids that are playing, but their own kid is hanging out with a huge group of kids at the park, beach, etc.. I respect the decision that anybody makes to not play, but please respect my decision as well.[/quote]
Very well said! The one thing I'd love to stress to parents who are letting their kids play and want them to continue to play is follow the rules. I don't care your personal thoughts (or even my own), but if a tourney requires parents wear face coverings, then wear them. If they say no coolers, don't have a cooler on the sidelines. It doesn't matter if you think it is wrong, goes against political ideals or makes no difference, the fact is the more people who follow the rules the more lax our kids will get to play. Don't be afraid to tell other parents on your team to follow the rules...we are all way too old to get any satisfaction from being disobedient just for the sake of it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now now ladies...let's stick to the script. No Refunds.... Is 1 cheesy tournament across state lines good enough to keep you from asking for a partial refund or a credit?
So true .
Two words....Play dates! No need to travel across state lines. We have enough talent on Long Island. The Big X classic is a waste of time. Travel to NJ to play LI teams . We are mot getting refunds so why are we spending any more money to go out of state. Practice and local play dates is just fine with me
Yeah, but that makes too much sense. Fire up the parade of cars...Off to CT and DE we go! Hopefully I get a room that wasnt cleaned or disinfected
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Two words....Play dates! No need to travel across state lines. We have enough talent on Long Island. The Big X classic is a waste of time. Travel to NJ to play LI teams . We are mot getting refunds so why are we spending any more money to go out of state. Practice and local play dates is just fine with me

Isn't this really the situation all of the time (coming from a NJ guy that definitely has to travel). I guess that the real difference is getting exposure for the high school kids, but LI is in itself a pretty big draw for college coaches anyway. Obviously, none of this means anything this summer, but generally speaking, I would never want to leave LI to play. Ironically, the only place I do not like playing is LI, but only because getting onto the island in the summer is difficult, and the the hotels are expensive.
Great idea once the State of New York allows real lacrosse again.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Two words....Play dates! No need to travel across state lines. We have enough talent on Long Island. The Big X classic is a waste of time. Travel to NJ to play LI teams . We are mot getting refunds so why are we spending any more money to go out of state. Practice and local play dates is just fine with me


Yes. Yellow jackets A played Jesters Black last week. More play dates please
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Two words....Play dates! No need to travel across state lines. We have enough talent on Long Island. The Big X classic is a waste of time. Travel to NJ to play LI teams . We are mot getting refunds so why are we spending any more money to go out of state. Practice and local play dates is just fine with me

then stay home. We'll let you know how much fun the kids had at the tournament since you need to post on BOTC every hour.
The only fact that’s important here is that greedy club owners are holding money grabs and endangering kids and families by not enforcing social distancing measures and requiring COVID tests prior to participation. Very sad!
Sorry....Must be some other like minded individual..LOL
Cant blame the club owners. They aren't making dopey parents bring their Johnny Rockstar's to these meaningless scams. Its ALL on the parents. 110% on the parents.
In May, when the conversation began about re-starting practices, the majority of parents should of decided to hold off and demand a refund and/or credit. But parents elected to schlep kids to watered down practices and partake in meaningless out of state tournaments against NYS COVID Guidelines. Now, in a few weeks SOME clubs will be looking for payment towards the 2020-2021 season. Think about it; Future lax tournaments are in question. So do you really think clubs will sign their teams up for tournaments next year, risking losing their up-front payment this go around. Don't think so. It's easier just to keep our money and expect more later. As parents we have control, be many of us become distracted, literally over consumed by the false hopes spewed by so many clubs. I can only imagine if parents put in the same amount of effort in their children's education and up-bringing as they do in club Lacrosse. Ask yourself a couple of questions; are your kids that much of a better player after all of this and are the kids more proficient in reading and writing since March?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cant blame the club owners. They aren't making dopey parents bring their Johnny Rockstar's to these meaningless scams. Its ALL on the parents. 110% on the parents.

You can blame the owners b/c they are the ones that are scheduling the teams to play in these events out of state to get around the NY guidelines - just so they can say - we had the tournament, so we don't owe you any money.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cant blame the club owners. They aren't making dopey parents bring their Johnny Rockstar's to these meaningless scams. Its ALL on the parents. 110% on the parents.

You can blame the owners b/c they are the ones that are scheduling the teams to play in these events out of state to get around the NY guidelines - just so they can say - we had the tournament, so we don't owe you any money.


Well, NY guidelines are a joke and Cuomo is enjoying the power trip.
Arbitrary rules decided by people who seemingly have no familiarity with sports. Lacrosse should be among the lowest risk in terms of virus transmission.
I'm getting emails for an indoor basketball clinic for next week. Apparently that is okay..
I'm glad our program is being proactive and partaking in tourneys when available.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cant blame the club owners. They aren't making dopey parents bring their Johnny Rockstar's to these meaningless scams. Its ALL on the parents. 110% on the parents.

You can blame the owners b/c they are the ones that are scheduling the teams to play in these events out of state to get around the NY guidelines - just so they can say - we had the tournament, so we don't owe you any money.


Well, NY guidelines are a joke and Cuomo is enjoying the power trip.
Arbitrary rules decided by people who seemingly have no familiarity with sports. Lacrosse should be among the lowest risk in terms of virus transmission.
I'm getting emails for an indoor basketball clinic for next week. Apparently that is okay..
I'm glad our program is being proactive and partaking in tourneys when available.

100% agree. I'm not letting these liberals affect me.
Scary reading this post...and listening to some of the logic out there.

my kid plays for an expensive club - it stunk when they charged us during the pandemic for nothing. But, now he's had practice daily for 3 straight weeks. So, at least i don't feel like i was totally suckered. He's got no other structured activities this summer (nor has he for the past 4 months), so it's been great. Matter of fact, i am glad he has organized sports rather than video games.

What's the end game here?
- do all of the commentators really feel like travel lacrosse is solely for the college recruiting exposure and scholarships (LOL)
- does everyone realize this is 100% voluntary, and you are not required to partake in all of these hysterics? PAL and school sports will return.
- if you cannot pay or don't want to... then don't do it. But, why come on here and bash everyone else or make them feel bad for giving their kid some normalcy during the worst 6 months of their lives?

This is a business. Do not forget it. Clubs will get paid to run tournaments, train kids, organize clinics and cater to parents. I don't fault the teams for trying to do business... there are no tricks going on. I actually think they have been very upfront about that.

Now, for the teams and coaches that took money, paused their operational model saying they cannot train, but then charged for small group training....that's another story.
JUST SAY NO. I know people that have.
None of it should be allowed at this point if they really want to contain this thing. The kids dont seem to be the big problem. The problem is the parents Packed together like a herd of animals, no masks, no distancing, no nothing., And they all carpooled to get there and are touching the same cooler for their beverages. Nasty! To each their own I guess. I for one, will be nowhere near that horseshi^%$#
Originally Posted by Anonymous
None of it should be allowed at this point if they really want to contain this thing. The kids dont seem to be the big problem. The problem is the parents Packed together like a herd of animals, no masks, no distancing, no nothing., And they all carpooled to get there and are touching the same cooler for their beverages. Nasty! To each their own I guess. I for one, will be nowhere near that horseshi^%$#


Recent tourneys we've been to were nothing like that. Sharing coolers? No one is doing that.
There is plenty of room to spread out.
BUt hard for you to get a sense of the situation in your bunker.
And you are free to stay nowhere near that 'horseshi^%$#'.. No one is forcing you..
Contract law, people...don't sign a contract that says no refunds...period. If you signed such a contract you are out of luck. This is how this country works. If your club director has worked hard to provide practices and alternate games/scrimmages/interactions, why are you complaining? Money grab? Greedy? Is the fact that children are involved the reason why making money is a sinister practice? Most clubs are fairly up-front that they are running a business. I would rather invest a few grand in my child than take a vacation that is here and gone in a week. This is not your daddy's youth sports world anymore. If you aren't getting a superior experience than that of PAL, why do you do it? Are your practices worth every penny? If not, who is to blame? You gave them the money...and signed the contract. So many people on here think that this business, because it is youth sports, should adhere to your altruistic stance and put themselves in potential financial stress...when they aren't contractually obligated to do so? Club sports have improved the game of lacrosse 10 fold. Watch a PLL game and tell me that the players 20 years ago could hang...a few could, but the skill is not even close. And this is largely due to the fact that we pay good money so great teachers of the game don't go into finance or some other line of work...so they can teach our kids. Stop being so darn silly about it. It's a contract...no one made you sign it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Contract law, people...don't sign a contract that says no refunds...period. If you signed such a contract you are out of luck. This is how this country works. If your club director has worked hard to provide practices and alternate games/scrimmages/interactions, why are you complaining? Money grab? Greedy? Is the fact that children are involved the reason why making money is a sinister practice? Most clubs are fairly up-front that they are running a business. I would rather invest a few grand in my child than take a vacation that is here and gone in a week. This is not your daddy's youth sports world anymore. If you aren't getting a superior experience than that of PAL, why do you do it? Are your practices worth every penny? If not, who is to blame? You gave them the money...and signed the contract. So many people on here think that this business, because it is youth sports, should adhere to your altruistic stance and put themselves in potential financial stress...when they aren't contractually obligated to do so? Club sports have improved the game of lacrosse 10 fold. Watch a PLL game and tell me that the players 20 years ago could hang...a few could, but the skill is not even close. And this is largely due to the fact that we pay good money so great teachers of the game don't go into finance or some other line of work...so they can teach our kids. Stop being so darn silly about it. It's a contract...no one made you sign it.

Says Kevin who sues all contractors and maintenance workers in order to not pay for work done on his property
I still don’t understand this thread, it made sense while things were uncertain of returning. But we have had a full summers worth of lax already and more to come. 11 practices, competitive games, pretty good so far. However, if you haven’t had this, I would be unhappy as well. Go find a more organized club.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Contract law, people...don't sign a contract that says no refunds...period. If you signed such a contract you are out of luck. This is how this country works. If your club director has worked hard to provide practices and alternate games/scrimmages/interactions, why are you complaining? Money grab? Greedy? Is the fact that children are involved the reason why making money is a sinister practice? Most clubs are fairly up-front that they are running a business. I would rather invest a few grand in my child than take a vacation that is here and gone in a week. This is not your daddy's youth sports world anymore. If you aren't getting a superior experience than that of PAL, why do you do it? Are your practices worth every penny? If not, who is to blame? You gave the
m the money...and signed the contract. So many people on here think that this business, because it is youth sports, should adhere to your altruistic stance and put themselves in potential financial stress...when they aren't contractually obligated to do so? Club sports have improved the game of lacrosse 10 fold. Watch a PLL game and tell me that the players 20 years ago could hang...a few could, but the skill is not even close. And this is largely due to the fact that we pay good money so great teachers of the game don't go into finance or some other line of work...so they can teach our kids. Stop being so darn silly about it. It's a contract...no one made you sign it.


People watch PLL?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Contract law, people...don't sign a contract that says no refunds...period. If you signed such a contract you are out of luck. This is how this country works. If your club director has worked hard to provide practices and alternate games/scrimmages/interactions, why are you complaining? Money grab? Greedy? Is the fact that children are involved the reason why making money is a sinister practice? Most clubs are fairly up-front that they are running a business. I would rather invest a few grand in my child than take a vacation that is here and gone in a week. This is not your daddy's youth sports world anymore. If you aren't getting a superior experience than that of PAL, why do you do it? Are your practices worth every penny? If not, who is to blame? You gave the
m the money...and signed the contract. So many people on here think that this business, because it is youth sports, should adhere to your altruistic stance and put themselves in potential financial stress...when they aren't contractually obligated to do so? Club sports have improved the game of lacrosse 10 fold. Watch a PLL game and tell me that the players 20 years ago could hang...a few could, but the skill is not even close. And this is largely due to the fact that we pay good money so great teachers of the game don't go into finance or some other line of work...so they can teach our kids. Stop being so darn silly about it. It's a contract...no one made you sign it.


People watch PLL?

Haha, true! Who would really want to sit around and watch a bunch of 30+ year old men act like they’re still on the U15 team?? It’s downright embarrassing! Doesn’t everyone know that lax is the ticket into a top 10 academic school? Otherwise nobody cares!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Contract law, people...don't sign a contract that says no refunds...period. If you signed such a contract you are out of luck. This is how this country works. If your club director has worked hard to provide practices and alternate games/scrimmages/interactions, why are you complaining? Money grab? Greedy? Is the fact that children are involved the reason why making money is a sinister practice? Most clubs are fairly up-front that they are running a business. I would rather invest a few grand in my child than take a vacation that is here and gone in a week. This is not your daddy's youth sports world anymore. If you aren't getting a superior experience than that of PAL, why do you do it? Are your practices worth every penny? If not, who is to blame? You gave the
m the money...and signed the contract. So many people on here think that this business, because it is youth sports, should adhere to your altruistic stance and put themselves in potential financial stress...when they aren't contractually obligated to do so? Club sports have improved the game of lacrosse 10 fold. Watch a PLL game and tell me that the players 20 years ago could hang...a few could, but the skill is not even close. And this is largely due to the fact that we pay good money so great teachers of the game don't go into finance or some other line of work...so they can teach our kids. Stop being so darn silly about it. It's a contract...no one made you sign it.


People watch PLL?

Not Me..PLL is a spokeman for BLM now with their shiny patch on all uniforms.
Any LI teams attend any out of state tournaments this weekend? How did they fare?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any LI teams attend any out of state tournaments this weekend? How did they fare?

Why don’t you check Tourney Machine?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
None of it should be allowed at this point if they really want to contain this thing. The kids dont seem to be the big problem. The problem is the parents Packed together like a herd of animals, no masks, no distancing, no nothing., And they all carpooled to get there and are touching the same cooler for their beverages. Nasty! To each their own I guess. I for one, will be nowhere near that horseshi^%$#


Recent tourneys we've been to were nothing like that. Sharing coolers? No one is doing that.
There is plenty of room to spread out.
BUt hard for you to get a sense of the situation in your bunker.
And you are free to stay nowhere near that 'horseshi^%$#'.. No one is forcing you..

Not the case at NAL this weekend. Sidelines were packed and most were not wearing masks. (Wearing it like a chin strap doesn't count.) There were also a few team tents. Pretty standard behavior at all the events we have attended this summer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any LI teams attend any out of state tournaments this weekend? How did they fare?
NAL, but they had to call 511 when they drove accross NJ, you will not see them in LI until Aug 12.
Have the clubs done enough to date to warrant keeping your $?
If all you can do based on my post is create a story yhat my name is kevin and sue contract workers...and mock the PLL, it would appear the thesis of my argument was sound and you are typical LI guys....this case is CLOSED!!!
We were just informed that two young men on our sons 91 2023 Team tested positive for COVID and all practices are Cancelled as we as tournaments..,
More coming. If teams are gonna continue to practice and cross state borders then don't act surprised when it does. Enjoy the last week of lax and thx to all of you deeckheads who just ruined the fall season for everyone else.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If all you can do based on my post is create a story yhat my name is kevin and sue contract workers...and mock the PLL, it would appear the thesis of my argument was sound and you are typical LI guys....this case is CLOSED!!!

Easy there Karen. It is not all about you ! LOL.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More coming. If teams are gonna continue to practice and cross state borders then don't act surprised when it does. Enjoy the last week of lax and thx to all of you deeckheads who just ruined the fall season for everyone else.

Ok, so just so I am clear, the Corona virus (which has a 99% recovery rate and is less harmful to kids than the seasonal flu) knows state borders, curfews and not to infect at BLM rallies. And that it will get you if you eat chips at a bar but not if you eat a burger at a bar. Did I get that correct?
Whos going to settle with a team and pay the first payment in September with no Certainty of a fall season ??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If all you can do based on my post is create a story yhat my name is kevin and sue contract workers...and mock the PLL, it would appear the thesis of my argument was sound and you are typical LI guys....this case is CLOSED!!!

Sorry you are so sensitive. Typing in caps definitely closes the case.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]We were just informed that two young men on our sons 91 2023 Team tested positive for COVID and all practices are Cancelled as we as tournaments..,

Does the shiny white teeth, with a fake tan coach also have covid?

What is MLB doing wrong? Many players testing positive for covid, games being cancelled. As parents allowing our kids to participate in practices and out of state tournaments, why don't we have anyone testing positive for covid? Maybe MLB should consult many of our club directors for advice keeping covid within our parents and kids at 0%. Just a thought.
Correct. Nobody knows how, why or who contracts or spreads C-19. As for the 1% it killed, according to your stats, I really hope that none of the families of that 1% read these posts. You 1 way, selfish Lax parent. Hope it is worth it and your kid "stung the corner". Again, I thank you for ruining any shot at a Fall season. Lax on partner!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whos going to settle with a team and pay the first payment in September with no Certainty of a fall season ??
Many parents. Listen to some of them, the excuses, the spin, yada, yada, yada. Cooper is having fun practicing and playing in 95* degree weather. But when he's home, his parents will not tell Cooper go cut the grass in 95* weather, it's too hot.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whos going to settle with a team and pay the first payment in September with no Certainty of a fall season ??
Many parents. Listen to some of them, the excuses, the spin, yada, yada, yada. Cooper is having fun practicing and playing in 95* degree weather. But when he's home, his parents will not tell Cooper go cut the grass in 95* weather, it's too hot.

Cooper has grass allergies, that's why he goes to SA to be indoors and he also practices with his club team there also. Cooper is a Stud and D1 material.
BECAUSE NONE AT THESE TOURNAMENTS IS BEING TESTED THEREIN LAY PROBLEM!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whos going to settle with a team and pay the first payment in September with no Certainty of a fall season ??
Many parents. Listen to some of them, the excuses, the spin, yada, yada, yada. Cooper is having fun practicing and playing in 95* degree weather. But when he's home, his parents will not tell Cooper go cut the grass in 95* weather, it's too hot.

Cooper has grass allergies, that's why he goes to SA to be indoors and he also practices with his club team there also. Cooper is a Stud and D1 material.

Is Cooper the male version of KAREN? Many of these kids have similar hair styles, can't tell these days...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Correct. Nobody knows how, why or who contracts or spreads C-19. As for the 1% it killed, according to your stats, I really hope that none of the families of that 1% read these posts. You 1 way, selfish Lax parent. Hope it is worth it and your kid "stung the corner". Again, I thank you for ruining any shot at a Fall season. Lax on partner!

left wing liberal BadPerson.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Correct. Nobody knows how, why or who contracts or spreads C-19. As for the 1% it killed, according to your stats, I really hope that none of the families of that 1% read these posts. You 1 way, selfish Lax parent. Hope it is worth it and your kid "stung the corner". Again, I thank you for ruining any shot at a Fall season. Lax on partner!

Did you keep your kid home during the seasonal flu season for his/her school years? Because you know that would have been selfish of you not to seeing as the seasonal flu has caused more fatalities to kids then the corona virus. Or were you selfish back then but are now woke?
NO 91 2023 kids have it and the team practiced last night You people are a special kind of crazy Pathetic
My god...everybody is going to die ... i hope the 1% of what...coronavirus deaths? Stop with that bs. Never knew long island was filled with such softies. Must be north shore.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My god...everybody is going to die ... i hope the 1% of what...coronavirus deaths? Stop with that bs. Never knew long island was filled with such softies. Must be north shore.

Just stick to what you do best - driving garbage trucks or selling used cars. Imbeciles like you make LI the armpit of America.
Hey big time..Nothing wrong with driving a garbage truck or selling cars. Armpit of America ? Total stunad..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My god...everybody is going to die ... i hope the 1% of what...coronavirus deaths? Stop with that bs. Never knew long island was filled with such softies. Must be north shore.

Just stick to what you do best - driving garbage trucks or selling used cars. Imbeciles like you make LI the armpit of America.

That is funny, but why OR, it could be both. You also forgot to add driving Iroc Z and screaming wheels wheels wheels on sideline while guzzling down some liquid in a red solo cup.
Son was in PA this past weekend and if there isnt an outbreak after that its allBS. we going to live locked up forever its less than 1% enough with the snowflakes
To the guy in PA: See what happens in 14 days. Thats the barometer. Hopefully nothing. That would be a great outcome
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NO 91 2023 kids have it and the team practiced last night You people are a special kind of crazy Pathetic

That's great to hear, i'm glad it was not true.
Just my opinion, but the modified lacrosse with no faceoffs is not good lacrosse. Not worth it at all. Gave it an optimistic try, but not again.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just my opinion, but the modified lacrosse with no faceoffs is not good lacrosse. Not worth it at all. Gave it an optimistic try, but not again.

Thanks for sharing....why "not worth it at all?" Many of us felt that it kept the games moving, none of the score then the ref wastes time walking to the face off, etc. Kids got more reps clearing, riding, transition while attack men celebrated. Wouldn't mind seeing less face-offs in real games, maybe only to start quarters...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just my opinion, but the modified lacrosse with no faceoffs is not good lacrosse. Not worth it at all. Gave it an optimistic try, but not again.

Thanks for sharing....why "not worth it at all?" Many of us felt that it kept the games moving, none of the score then the ref wastes time walking to the face off, etc. Kids got more reps clearing, riding, transition while attack men celebrated. Wouldn't mind seeing less face-offs in real games, maybe only to start quarters...

I completely agree was so much more fun to watch and the boys got a lot more reps.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just my opinion, but the modified lacrosse with no faceoffs is not good lacrosse. Not worth it at all. Gave it an optimistic try, but not again.

Thanks for sharing....why "not worth it at all?" Many of us felt that it kept the games moving, none of the score then the ref wastes time walking to the face off, etc. Kids got more reps clearing, riding, transition while attack men celebrated. Wouldn't mind seeing less face-offs in real games, maybe only to start quarters...


NCAA should have followed the PLL rules. I've been watching the series, and there has not been one faceoff that has lasted more than 2 seconds! NCAA made a big mistake on this one in my opinion
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just my opinion, but the modified lacrosse with no faceoffs is not good lacrosse. Not worth it at all. Gave it an optimistic try, but not again.

Thanks for sharing....why "not worth it at all?" Many of us felt that it kept the games moving, none of the score then the ref wastes time walking to the face off, etc. Kids got more reps clearing, riding, transition while attack men celebrated. Wouldn't mind seeing less face-offs in real games, maybe only to start quarters...
Yes, the many of you were the ones that give everyone a trophy and cant win a Faceoff. It’s a possession game. Battling for possession after every goal is the way the game is played. Stand up, knee down or sticks together, like hockey you restart with a battle for possession. The college rules and PLL rules are also making this way more interesting as now its wing play, counters and quick outcomes. Go work on the skill, play to win and leave the game as is...........in this instance, if it allowed kids to play lax I’m all for it. In regards to changing the game format, stop it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just my opinion, but the modified lacrosse with no faceoffs is not good lacrosse. Not worth it at all. Gave it an optimistic try, but not again.


Face offs every single game - your kid is maybe 2026/27 at least? Maybe still in diapers? Relax while you still have a chance
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NO 91 2023 kids have it and the team practiced last night You people are a special kind of crazy Pathetic

I thought it was Primetime
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Correct. Nobody knows how, why or who contracts or spreads C-19. As for the 1% it killed, according to your stats, I really hope that none of the families of that 1% read these posts. You 1 way, selfish Lax parent. Hope it is worth it and your kid "stung the corner". Again, I thank you for ruining any shot at a Fall season. Lax on partner!

This post will likely age well . . . !
Does anybody know the status of Laxfest?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anybody know the status of Laxfest?

Just stay ready, it's day by day. Figure, it could be from tomorrow until the end of August. You'll have a day to inform the job you will be taking off to schlep to NJ for a 3 game play day. What the heck, Live Lax Forever.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anybody know the status of Laxfest?

Just stay ready, it's day by day. Figure, it could be from tomorrow until the end of August. You'll have a day to inform the job you will be taking off to schlep to NJ for a 3 game play day. What the heck, Live Lax Forever.


Rumor mill is it may be in Connecticut Friday through Sunday
LI Laxfest in Connecticut............ L-O-Door_Open_And-L!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anybody know the status of Laxfest?

Just stay ready, it's day by day. Figure, it could be from tomorrow until the end of August. You'll have a day to inform the job you will be taking off to schlep to NJ for a 3 game play day. What the heck, Live Lax Forever.


Rumor mill is it may be in Connecticut Friday through Sunday

I can't wait. Kids are killing me! Now, they will only be returning to school 2 day per week, Auhhhhhhhhhhh
Don’t bother looking into the bandits . They have ignored emails calls and texts from the entire 2021 team! They will not discuss giving any sort of refund . Very unprofessional handling of the situation.
Lets bring this topic back to refund that never happened. Clubs will go back to what they were doing before Covid. Us parents could of changed how they operate. But did the opposite traveled to state to state on weekdays with a couple days notice , fighting metro area traffic . Also adding to your tuition with Gas , tolls , breakfast, lunch and dinner . $$$ for what because the clubs strong armed you ? We are suckers .
Anyone have breakdowns of tuition cost of Li clubs and what is the difference of Li Clubs to out of state clubs NJ Maryland NC PA etc....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets bring this topic back to refund that never happened. Clubs will go back to what they were doing before Covid. Us parents could of changed how they operate. But did the opposite traveled to state to state on weekdays with a couple days notice , fighting metro area traffic . Also adding to your tuition with Gas , tolls , breakfast, lunch and dinner . $$$ for what because the clubs strong armed you ? We are suckers .


Actually, i would go one step further and say we made our kids and ourselves loathe the lacrosse season given 6 tournaments in 2 weeks in multiple states.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have breakdowns of tuition cost of Li clubs and what is the difference of Li Clubs to out of state clubs NJ Maryland NC PA etc....

91 4k
Express 4k plus
Igloo 4k plus
Legacy mid 3k
S2s ?
Rebels 3k plus
Rush ?
All others?
Nj teams ?
Maryland and PA ?
Down south 2k and becoming next Hot Beds
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets bring this topic back to refund that never happened. Clubs will go back to what they were doing before Covid. Us parents could of changed how they operate. But did the opposite traveled to state to state on weekdays with a couple days notice , fighting metro area traffic . Also adding to your tuition with Gas , tolls , breakfast, lunch and dinner . $$$ for what because the clubs strong armed you ? We are suckers .


Actually, i would go one step further and say we made our kids and ourselves loathe the lacrosse season given 6 tournaments in 2 weeks in multiple states.

I'm not sure as a family we ill be traveling to NJ this Friday. This last minute garbage is beyond old. The coach wants us in NJ in the middle of the afternoon, and leave NJ for LI at 6PM on a Friday in August? Don't think so.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have breakdowns of tuition cost of Li clubs and what is the difference of Li Clubs to out of state clubs NJ Maryland NC PA etc....

91 4k
Express 4k plus
Igloo 4k plus
Legacy mid 3k
S2s ?
Rebels 3k plus
Rush ?
All others?
Nj teams ?
Maryland and PA ?
Down south 2k and becoming next Hot Beds

Turtles and True Blue = $2,500
PA - 2k
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have breakdowns of tuition cost of Li clubs and what is the difference of Li Clubs to out of state clubs NJ Maryland NC PA etc....

91 4k
Express 4k plus
Igloo 4k plus
Legacy mid 3k
S2s ?
Rebels 3k plus
Rush 2.5 k
All others?
Nj teams ?
Maryland and PA ?
Down south 2k and becoming next Hot Beds
its funny, now we have all the clubs doing tryouts.
I know all the big clubs made an agreement not to hold "open" tryouts and just fill spots. What does that mean? it seems your son doesn't have to try out to be on the team again, they will gladly take your money, but then after the fact, they will have evaluation for new players (ie open tryout) for anyone that is interested in being on the team. if they are only filling spots then roster sizes shouldn't increase right, but no, they will add as many extra players that they want. And all along the clubs are telling you they are saving you money not to have to tryout (which is how it should pf always been), however you have to agree to play on a team, not knowing the other players, team size, cost or what there plans are for the fall/summer.
They stunk everyone in...Played PAL and town teams out of state and kept your money! Thank you very much! And get your checkbooks ready for Fall.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets bring this topic back to refund that never happened. Clubs will go back to what they were doing before Covid. Us parents could of changed how they operate. But did the opposite traveled to state to state on weekdays with a couple days notice , fighting metro area traffic . Also adding to your tuition with Gas , tolls , breakfast, lunch and dinner . $$$ for what because the clubs strong armed you ? We are suckers .


Actually, i would go one step further and say we made our kids and ourselves loathe the lacrosse season given 6 tournaments in 2 weeks in multiple states.

I'm not sure as a family we ill be traveling to NJ this Friday. This last minute garbage is beyond old. The coach wants us in NJ in the middle of the afternoon, and leave NJ for LI at 6PM on a Friday in August? Don't think so.

Then dont go. Must kids wanna play. Whatever it takes for him to have fun and improve as a team with good competition what eles you want ? You will be there.
My son plays for True Blue --He loves it --Coaches are awesome --directors are good guys --price is fair ----tournaments have not been overwhelming ---we dropped some ---stayed with others ---great experience ---I am concerned about virus, but not petrified --we do what we can ----Travel lacrosse for my family has been a great experience---sorry if this upsets some of you
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets bring this topic back to refund that never happened. Clubs will go back to what they were doing before Covid. Us parents could of changed how they operate. But did the opposite traveled to state to state on weekdays with a couple days notice , fighting metro area traffic . Also adding to your tuition with Gas , tolls , breakfast, lunch and dinner . $$$ for what because the clubs strong armed you ? We are suckers .


Actually, i would go one step further and say we made our kids and ourselves loathe the lacrosse season given 6 tournaments in 2 weeks in multiple states.

I'm not sure as a family we ill be traveling to NJ this Friday. This last minute garbage is beyond old. The coach wants us in NJ in the middle of the afternoon, and leave NJ for LI at 6PM on a Friday in August? Don't think so.

Then dont go. Must kids wanna play. Whatever it takes for him to have fun and improve as a team with good competition what eles you want ? You will be there.

The post directly above this; You sound like a simpleton B.S. fool.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have breakdowns of tuition cost of Li clubs and what is the difference of Li Clubs to out of state clubs NJ Maryland NC PA etc....

91 4k
Express 4k plus
Igloo 4k plus
Legacy mid 3k
S2s ?
Rebels 3k plus
Rush 2.5 k
All others?
Nj teams ?
Maryland and PA ?
Down south 2k and becoming next Hot Beds
If listing pricing it would make sense to capture what is offered with that money. Is $4k for 40 practices and 8 tournaments the same as $3k for 20 practices and 6 tournaments?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have breakdowns of tuition cost of Li clubs and what is the difference of Li Clubs to out of state clubs NJ Maryland NC PA etc....

91 4k
Express 4k plus
Igloo 4k plus
Legacy mid 3k
S2s ?
Rebels 3k plus
Rush 2.5 k
All others?
Nj teams ?
Maryland and PA ?
Down south 2k and becoming next Hot Beds
If listing pricing it would make sense to capture what is offered with that money. Is $4k for 40 practices and 8 tournaments the same as $3k for 20 practices and 6 tournaments?

Express was 3k last year, nice try. Best value. And no petty extras for bags gloves or helmets.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have breakdowns of tuition cost of Li clubs and what is the difference of Li Clubs to out of state clubs NJ Maryland NC PA etc....

91 4k
Express 4k plus
Igloo 4k plus
Legacy mid 3k
S2s ?
Rebels 3k plus
Rush 2.5 k
All others?
Nj teams ?
Maryland and PA ?
Down south 2k and becoming next Hot Beds
If listing pricing it would make sense to capture what is offered with that money. Is $4k for 40 practices and 8 tournaments the same as $3k for 20 practices and 6 tournaments?

Express was 3k last year, nice try. Best value. And no petty extras for bags gloves or helmets.

Clearly you are not on Express. It was not 3k at all. It was over 4k. It has not been 3k for a while.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have breakdowns of tuition cost of Li clubs and what is the difference of Li Clubs to out of state clubs NJ Maryland NC PA etc....

91 4k
Express 4k plus
Igloo 4k plus
Legacy mid 3k
S2s ?
Rebels 3k plus
Rush 2.5 k
All others?
Nj teams ?
Maryland and PA ?
Down south 2k and becoming next Hot Beds
If listing pricing it would make sense to capture what is offered with that money. Is $4k for 40 practices and 8 tournaments the same as $3k for 20 practices and 6 tournaments?

Express was 3k last year, nice try. Best value. And no petty extras for bags gloves or helmets.

Clearly you are not on Express. It was not 3k at all. It was over 4k. It has not been 3k for a while.

Clearly you are overpaying at another club. It was 4 payments of $750, shall I copy and paste the email for you?
Igloo has never been over 4K...ever...only for the high school teams was the cost in the high 3's..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have breakdowns of tuition cost of Li clubs and what is the difference of Li Clubs to out of state clubs NJ Maryland NC PA etc....

91 4k
Express 4k plus
Igloo 4k plus
Legacy mid 3k
S2s ?
Rebels 3k plus
Rush 2.5 k
All others?
Nj teams ?
Maryland and PA ?
Down south 2k and becoming next Hot Beds
If listing pricing it would make sense to capture what is offered with that money. Is $4k for 40 practices and 8 tournaments the same as $3k for 20 practices and 6 tournaments?

Express was 3k last year, nice try. Best value. And no petty extras for bags gloves or helmets.

Clearly you are not on Express. It was not 3k at all. It was over 4k. It has not been 3k for a while.
Haha POW take that . 1 says 3k another says 4k , who to believe.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have breakdowns of tuition cost of Li clubs and what is the difference of Li Clubs to out of state clubs NJ Maryland NC PA etc....

91 4k
Express 4k plus
Igloo 4k plus
Legacy mid 3k
S2s ?
Rebels 3k plus
Rush 2.5 k
All others?
Nj teams ?
Maryland and PA ?
Down south 2k and becoming next Hot Beds

MD teams range between $1,000 - $2,000 and they very insanely range on what you get and the talent from club to club. Some should be ashamed of themselves of taking over $1,000 for a B team that should be $125 rec team. Many teams you buy the helmet and the gloves, sometimes a bag or gloves or helmet is given, but usually not. What I do like is when the tournaments come around there are no additional fees except for personal travel costs. Admittedly your cost of living is much higher then ours, at least I expect, but 4K, that seems like a lot of money. Wow
This absolutely take the prize- in their desperation to show value provided (ie avoid giving refunds or credit towards next year) Top Guns (Girls) "host" hame in Hecksher state park last night. Like the lemmings that we are, we all run there- only to be told that we need to stay in our cars and can't watch. So these directors have us rush out to an unsanctioned (and therefore unlikely uninsured) game at a state park, infested by mosquitoes (with warning signs of West Nile virus abound) only to not even be able to watch our kids play. But remember as these directors all tell us "It's all about the kids. Kids just want to play". We are selfish for wanting to watch.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have breakdowns of tuition cost of Li clubs and what is the difference of Li Clubs to out of state clubs NJ Maryland NC PA etc....

91 4k
Express 4k plus
Igloo 4k plus
Legacy mid 3k
S2s ?
Rebels 3k plus
Rush 2.5 k
All others?
Nj teams ?
Maryland and PA ?
Down south 2k and becoming next Hot Beds

MD teams range between $1,000 - $2,000 and they very insanely range on what you get and the talent from club to club. Some should be ashamed of themselves of taking over $1,000 for a B team that should be $125 rec team. Many teams you buy the helmet and the gloves, sometimes a bag or gloves or helmet is given, but usually not. What I do like is when the tournaments come around there are no additional fees except for personal travel costs. Admittedly your cost of living is much higher then ours, at least I expect, but 4K, that seems like a lot of money. Wow

Express is less for the HS aged kids I believe so they are both right. Middle school and younger was 4K.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This absolutely take the prize- in their desperation to show value provided (ie avoid giving refunds or credit towards next year) Top Guns (Girls) "host" hame in Hecksher state park last night. Like the lemmings that we are, we all run there- only to be told that we need to stay in our cars and can't watch. So these directors have us rush out to an unsanctioned (and therefore unlikely uninsured) game at a state park, infested by mosquitoes (with warning signs of West Nile virus abound) only to not even be able to watch our kids play. But remember as these directors all tell us "It's all about the kids. Kids just want to play". We are selfish for wanting to watch.

My daughter played in one of those games last night, and was quite happy to do so. I asked her if it was weird playing without parents watching from the sidelines and she said she didn't even notice, and didn't care. She was focused on what was happening on the field. It was a bummer not being able to watch, but on the other hand it was great that she got to play, and I didn't have to miss work and travel out of state just to play against another Long Island team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This absolutely take the prize- in their desperation to show value provided (ie avoid giving refunds or credit towards next year) Top Guns (Girls) "host" hame in Hecksher state park last night. Like the lemmings that we are, we all run there- only to be told that we need to stay in our cars and can't watch. So these directors have us rush out to an unsanctioned (and therefore unlikely uninsured) game at a state park, infested by mosquitoes (with warning signs of West Nile virus abound) only to not even be able to watch our kids play. But remember as these directors all tell us "It's all about the kids. Kids just want to play". We are selfish for wanting to watch.


Ummm. Don’t go then. You seem like a simpleton.
In think its great that kids get to play, and locally. That goes without saying. I think to do so in a mosquito invested park (West Nile warning signs as you entered), and probably uninsured, was a bit reckless.

But the larger issue is that the "games" last night were about Director's trying show some value provided for the money parents have already shelled out to them, and building the case that they don't owe anything back to them. It was not done out of the kindness or their hearts, or for "the love of the game". Grant me that these were not their singular motivation.

I have a daughter on one of those teams- and despite the placards going out for next year's tryouts- no one has approached us to discuss refunds. I don't expect them to. they have the money and it is a one way vale. Credits for next year (when we pay them even more) are a best case scenario. And thinking about it, this is the most wildly profitable season they will ever experience (they incurred no travel costs and certainly didn't prepay or get "the hesiman" on all refunds of tournament fees) .

They all talk about character and leadership- but when faced with a choice to do right or wrong, they choose wrong. People with character would have taken the issue head on.They keep your money not having provided a product, simply because they can.

Maybe some club somewhere has dealt with this in a fair and forthright way, but I am unaware of one.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
its funny, now we have all the clubs doing tryouts.
I know all the big clubs made an agreement not to hold "open" tryouts and just fill spots. What does that mean? it seems your son doesn't have to try out to be on the team again, they will gladly take your money, but then after the fact, they will have evaluation for new players (ie open tryout) for anyone that is interested in being on the team. if they are only filling spots then roster sizes shouldn't increase right, but no, they will add as many extra players that they want. And all along the clubs are telling you they are saving you money not to have to tryout (which is how it should pf always been), however you have to agree to play on a team, not knowing the other players, team size, cost or what there plans are for the fall/summer.


Yep. a bit of collusion? lol Such a joke. They do not even know if there will be a Fall, winter and spring season...take your money and hope you drink the kool aid
GET YOUR CHECKBOOK OUT! CREDIT CARDS WILL COST ADDITIONAL.....
??? Parents couldnt watch? Was there Tuesday night and every parent was on the sidelines watching
This whole summer of travel lacrosse has been a mess. Everyone should have just shut things down for the summer in an effort to allow things to start opening up on the fall under better circumstances. I love lacrosse. I played in college. I love watching my kids play. And I am no snow flake. But the clubs and some pyscho parents just couldn't let it go this summer. So we're traveling to southern NJ to play teams from LI, and now we have crappy tournaments in August on LI in blazing heat and humidity and lightening delays and cancellations. Meanwhile, we can't put up tents, socialize, etc. We have to run back to our cars in between games like rats. All in a desperate attempt to get a few crappy tournaments in. The lacrosse community - of which I am an active member - should be ashamed of themselves.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In think its great that kids get to play, and locally. That goes without saying. I think to do so in a mosquito invested park (West Nile warning signs as you entered), and probably uninsured, was a bit reckless.

But the larger issue is that the "games" last night were about Director's trying show some value provided for the money parents have already shelled out to them, and building the case that they don't owe anything back to them. It was not done out of the kindness or their hearts, or for "the love of the game". Grant me that these were not their singular motivation.

I have a daughter on one of those teams- and despite the placards going out for next year's tryouts- no one has approached us to discuss refunds. I don't expect them to. they have the money and it is a one way vale. Credits for next year (when we pay them even more) are a best case scenario. And thinking about it, this is the most wildly profitable season they will ever experience (they incurred no travel costs and certainly didn't prepay or get "the hesiman" on all refunds of tournament fees) .

They all talk about character and leadership- but when faced with a choice to do right or wrong, they choose wrong. People with character would have taken the issue head on.They keep your money not having provided a product, simply because they can.

Maybe some club somewhere has dealt with this in a fair and forthright way, but I am unaware of one.


Sooooo, you come on to complain anonymously about playing for a club. Maybe speak to the club director. Maybe approach with a possible solution. Instead you come here to whine About character. If you think there is a solution then speak up. You can always go to another club.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
??? Parents couldnt watch? Was there Tuesday night and every parent was on the sidelines watching

I was there. The only parents on the sidelines were the ones who cursed out and and ignored the teenage girls who had been hired to keep people in the parking lots and in their cars...and of course those that followed them. I actually listened to the poor kid put in an impossible situation. Parenst were the creme of the crop lax dads and moms.

The whole thing was a joke...on us... and we are always too willing to be the dupe.
Hope it was worth it cause there aint gonna be a fall season
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In think its great that kids get to play, and locally. That goes without saying. I think to do so in a mosquito invested park (West Nile warning signs as you entered), and probably uninsured, was a bit reckless.

But the larger issue is that the "games" last night were about Director's trying show some value provided for the money parents have already shelled out to them, and building the case that they don't owe anything back to them. It was not done out of the kindness or their hearts, or for "the love of the game". Grant me that these were not their singular motivation.

I have a daughter on one of those teams- and despite the placards going out for next year's tryouts- no one has approached us to discuss refunds. I don't expect them to. they have the money and it is a one way vale. Credits for next year (when we pay them even more) are a best case scenario. And thinking about it, this is the most wildly profitable season they will ever experience (they incurred no travel costs and certainly didn't prepay or get "the hesiman" on all refunds of tournament fees) .

They all talk about character and leadership- but when faced with a choice to do right or wrong, they choose wrong. People with character would have taken the issue head on.They keep your money not having provided a product, simply because they can.

Maybe some club somewhere has dealt with this in a fair and forthright way, but I am unaware of one.


Sooooo, you come on to complain anonymously about playing for a club. Maybe speak to the club director. Maybe approach with a possible solution. Instead you come here to whine About character. If you think there is a solution then speak up. You can always go to another club.


Directors with some character would address it to their entire organization, instead of cowering and dealing with dissatisfied parents as one offs, and cutting as many side deals as they can. Right is right. All families got the shaft this year due to circumstances not completely controlled by directors. How they respond to it speaks volumes to their character and whether they walk the walk when things are tough. Its not up to me to bring "possible solutions" to these guys. They do this for a living. They know what is the right thing to do, but few will do it because it could cost them financially.

I'll tell you what, doing the right thing costs much upfront, but is a far better investment than ducking and dodging.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hope it was worth it cause there aint gonna be a fall season

Did I miss some big outbreak that was traced back to youth lacrosse?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hope it was worth it cause there aint gonna be a fall season

Did I miss some big outbreak that was traced back to youth lacrosse?

Probably wishful thinking, but It would actually be very interesting to see if there were any clusters of cases as the result of summer tournaments (lacrosse, soccer, baseball, etc.), it would be very helpful going forward in regards to the safety of outdoor sports. While some of the tournaments were pretty crowded, others did a pretty good job limiting spectators. This information would also be helpful in order to have an educated conversation, as opposed to the constant "hope it was worth it" posts. To be honest, if there was little or no serious transmission as the result of tournaments...then,yes, it was worth it, and our kids had some level of normalcy in their lives...if it did result in a serious spike in cases, then, lesson learned, but at least we know as opposed to not knowing and spouting off baseless comments. Also, the absence of summer tournaments would have in no way guaranteed fall sports, so to suggest that the fall is ruined as a result is equally as baseless.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
??? Parents couldnt watch? Was there Tuesday night and every parent was on the sidelines watching

I was there. The only parents on the sidelines were the ones who cursed out and and ignored the teenage girls who had been hired to keep people in the parking lots and in their cars...and of course those that followed them. I actually listened to the poor kid put in an impossible situation. Parenst were the creme of the crop lax dads and moms.

The whole thing was a joke...on us... and we are always too willing to be the dupe.


Total fake news. No young girls were telling parents they couldn’t play.
So you would rather have had your daughter at home the last 4 nights instead of on the field playing a game she loves? Sitting in her room thinking about what the heck is going on and will things ever be back to normal. Why because you couldn't be on the sideline beating your chest when she scored or took a charge on defense. Kids want to play and if we had to sit in our cars for a few hours so they could so be it. For a few hours there on the field the was a small sense of normalcy, we need more of that. A lot of effort and money went into organizing went into those four days. Yes it did have a hiccup the last two days but the kids got to play and thats what its about isn't it?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So you would rather have had your daughter at home the last 4 nights instead of on the field playing a game she loves? Sitting in her room thinking about what the heck is going on and will things ever be back to normal. Why because you couldn't be on the sideline beating your chest when she scored or took a charge on defense. Kids want to play and if we had to sit in our cars for a few hours so they could so be it. For a few hours there on the field the was a small sense of normalcy, we need more of that. A lot of effort and money went into organizing went into those four days. Yes it did have a hiccup the last two days but the kids got to play and thats what its about isn't it?


So because I have raised issues, I am against allowing kids to play. I like the way you did that. Mr. Director you did it all for the kids- so they can have a sense of normalcy. That is great. Thank you.

So back to the question at hand now that we have you- what do you plan to refund to the families who you never delivered a product to?

I wonder if this forum will allow us to start to call out these organizations by name for being complete phonies. Its all about the kids...we are a family...we want to instill character. Put your money where your mouth is Mr. Director.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]So you would rather have had your daughter at home the last 4 nights instead of on the field playing a game she loves? Sitting in her room thinking about what the heck is going on and will things ever be back to normal. Why because you couldn't be on the sideline beating your chest when she scored or took a charge on defense. Kids want to play and if we had to sit in our cars for a few hours so they could so be it. For a few hours there on the field the was a small sense of normalcy, we need more of that. A lot of effort and money went into organizing went into those four days. Yes it did have a hiccup the last two days but the kids got to play and thats what its about isn't it?[/quote


So because I have raised issues, I am against allowing kids to play. I like the way you did that. Mr. Director you did it all for the kids- so they can have a sense of normalcy. That is great. Thank you.

So back to the question at hand now that we have you- what do you plan to refund to the families who you never delivered a product to?

I wonder if this forum will allow us to start to call out these organizations by name for being complete phonies. Its all about the kids...we are a family...we want to instill character. Put your money where your mouth is Mr. Director.


Your still on this topic. As a consumer you should research which orgs gave refunds and then sign up with them next year.
Then do a PSA and inform everyone about the high character club you're joining. Soooooo stop whining
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]So you would rather have had your daughter at home the last 4 nights instead of on the field playing a game she loves? Sitting in her room thinking about what the heck is going on and will things ever be back to normal. Why because you couldn't be on the sideline beating your chest when she scored or took a charge on defense. Kids want to play and if we had to sit in our cars for a few hours so they could so be it. For a few hours there on the field the was a small sense of normalcy, we need more of that. A lot of effort and money went into organizing went into those four days. Yes it did have a hiccup the last two days but the kids got to play and thats what its about isn't it?[/quote


So because I have raised issues, I am against allowing kids to play. I like the way you did that. Mr. Director you did it all for the kids- so they can have a sense of normalcy. That is great. Thank you.

So back to the question at hand now that we have you- what do you plan to refund to the families who you never delivered a product to?

I wonder if this forum will allow us to start to call out these organizations by name for being complete phonies. Its all about the kids...we are a family...we want to instill character. Put your money where your mouth is Mr. Director.


Your still on this topic. As a consumer you should research which orgs gave refunds and then sign up with them next year.
Then do a PSA and inform everyone about the high character club you're joining. Soooooo stop whining


Yes- I am still on this topic. please read the original post. It is what this is supposed to be about.

And thank you Mr. Director. Lets start with you then- which organization do you run and what sort of refunds did you issue?

Let's be real for a change. Who issued some sort of refund and how much. I'd love to know.

Top Guns
Jesters
Liberty
Elevate
Yellow Jackets
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]So you would rather have had your daughter at home the last 4 nights instead of on the field playing a game she loves? Sitting in her room thinking about what the heck is going on and will things ever be back to normal. Why because you couldn't be on the sideline beating your chest when she scored or took a charge on defense. Kids want to play and if we had to sit in our cars for a few hours so they could so be it. For a few hours there on the field the was a small sense of normalcy, we need more of that. A lot of effort and money went into organizing went into those four days. Yes it did have a hiccup the last two days but the kids got to play and thats what its about isn't it?[/quote


So because I have raised issues, I am against allowing kids to play. I like the way you did that. Mr. Director you did it all for the kids- so they can have a sense of normalcy. That is great. Thank you.

So back to the question at hand now that we have you- what do you plan to refund to the families who you never delivered a product to?

I wonder if this forum will allow us to start to call out these organizations by name for being complete phonies. Its all about the kids...we are a family...we want to instill character. Put your money where your mouth is Mr. Director.


Your still on this topic. As a consumer you should research which orgs gave refunds and then sign up with them next year.
Then do a PSA and inform everyone about the high character club you're joining. Soooooo stop whining
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]So you would rather have had your daughter at home the last 4 nights instead of on the field playing a game she loves? Sitting in her room thinking about what the heck is going on and will things ever be back to normal. Why because you couldn't be on the sideline beating your chest when she scored or took a charge on defense. Kids want to play and if we had to sit in our cars for a few hours so they could so be it. For a few hours there on the field the was a small sense of normalcy, we need more of that. A lot of effort and money went into organizing went into those four days. Yes it did have a hiccup the last two days but the kids got to play and thats what its about isn't it?[/quote


So because I have raised issues, I am against allowing kids to play. I like the way you did that. Mr. Director you did it all for the kids- so they can have a sense of normalcy. That is great. Thank you.

So back to the question at hand now that we have you- what do you plan to refund to the families who you never delivered a product to?

I wonder if this forum will allow us to start to call out these organizations by name for being complete phonies. Its all about the kids...we are a family...we want to instill character. Put your money where your mouth is Mr. Director.


Your still on this topic. As a consumer you should research which orgs gave refunds and then sign up with them next year.
Then do a PSA and inform everyone about the high character club you're joining. Soooooo stop whining



Funny - you said refunds. Has that actually happened? Has a club given refunds? What i fund amusing is that these clubs are pretending like covid never happened or that it's over. The fall tournament schedules look the same, indoor practice schedules the same. It would be nice to see a club actually offer up some clear messeging and guidelines on how they will operate once tryouts are over.
My daughter's played and could not have been happier! I was disappointed as it was difficult to watch on wed and thursday because of what seemed like an overzealous park employee! Totally out of the hands of directors at that point! After all the games are for the girls?
No refund required. Got a full summer and very happy. If you were unhappy, your club simply didn’t prepare.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]So you would rather have had your daughter at home the last 4 nights instead of on the field playing a game she loves? Sitting in her room thinking about what the heck is going on and will things ever be back to normal. Why because you couldn't be on the sideline beating your chest when she scored or took a charge on defense. Kids want to play and if we had to sit in our cars for a few hours so they could so be it. For a few hours there on the field the was a small sense of normalcy, we need more of that. A lot of effort and money went into organizing went into those four days. Yes it did have a hiccup the last two days but the kids got to play and thats what its about isn't it?[/quote


So because I have raised issues, I am against allowing kids to play. I like the way you did that. Mr. Director you did it all for the kids- so they can have a sense of normalcy. That is great. Thank you.

So back to the question at hand now that we have you- what do you plan to refund to the families who you never delivered a product to?

I wonder if this forum will allow us to start to call out these organizations by name for being complete phonies. Its all about the kids...we are a family...we want to instill character. Put your money where your mouth is Mr. Director.


Your still on this topic. As a consumer you should research which orgs gave refunds and then sign up with them next year.
Then do a PSA and inform everyone about the high character club you're joining. Soooooo stop whining
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]So you would rather have had your daughter at home the last 4 nights instead of on the field playing a game she loves? Sitting in her room thinking about what the heck is going on and will things ever be back to normal. Why because you couldn't be on the sideline beating your chest when she scored or took a charge on defense. Kids want to play and if we had to sit in our cars for a few hours so they could so be it. For a few hours there on the field the was a small sense of normalcy, we need more of that. A lot of effort and money went into organizing went into those four days. Yes it did have a hiccup the last two days but the kids got to play and thats what its about isn't it?[/quote


So because I have raised issues, I am against allowing kids to play. I like the way you did that. Mr. Director you did it all for the kids- so they can have a sense of normalcy. That is great. Thank you.

So back to the question at hand now that we have you- what do you plan to refund to the families who you never delivered a product to?

I wonder if this forum will allow us to start to call out these organizations by name for being complete phonies. Its all about the kids...we are a family...we want to instill character. Put your money where your mouth is Mr. Director.


Your still on this topic. As a consumer you should research which orgs gave refunds and then sign up with them next year.
Then do a PSA and inform everyone about the high character club you're joining. Soooooo stop whining



Funny - you said refunds. Has that actually happened? Has a club given refunds? What i fund amusing is that these clubs are pretending like covid never happened or that it's over. The fall tournament schedules look the same, indoor practice schedules the same. It would be nice to see a club actually offer up some clear messeging and guidelines on how they will operate once tryouts are over.


Don’t worry. Wake up. Covid is over after the election.
Dude this is a dead issue. They crammed enough garbage down everyone's throat to not only keep your money but also encourage them to ask you for more and even post try outs. Congrats to all the parents that made this happen. Must have been great driving 5 hrs out of state to play teams that are the next town over on LI. NO REFUNDS. Just end this thread. NO refunds No refunds and No refunds
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dude this is a dead issue. They crammed enough garbage down everyone's throat to not only keep your money but also encourage them to ask you for more and even post try outs. Congrats to all the parents that made this happen. Must have been great driving 5 hrs out of state to play teams that are the next town over on LI. NO REFUNDS. Just end this thread. NO refunds No refunds and No refunds

Exactly.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dude this is a dead issue. They crammed enough garbage down everyone's throat to not only keep your money but also encourage them to ask you for more and even post try outs. Congrats to all the parents that made this happen. Must have been great driving 5 hrs out of state to play teams that are the next town over on LI. NO REFUNDS. Just end this thread. NO refunds No refunds and No refunds

Exactly.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dude this is a dead issue. They crammed enough garbage down everyone's throat to not only keep your money but also encourage them to ask you for more and even post try outs. Congrats to all the parents that made this happen. Must have been great driving 5 hrs out of state to play teams that are the next town over on LI. NO REFUNDS. Just end this thread. NO refunds No refunds and No refunds

Exactly.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dude this is a dead issue. They crammed enough garbage down everyone's throat to not only keep your money but also encourage them to ask you for more and even post try outs. Congrats to all the parents that made this happen. Must have been great driving 5 hrs out of state to play teams that are the next town over on LI. NO REFUNDS. Just end this thread. NO refunds No refunds and No refunds

Exactly.....
I’ve been wondering about this too. Will club even happen this fall with Covid predicted to spike again? Wondering if we should roll the dice and sit this year out with my 2025 kid and just work with a trainer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I’ve been wondering about this too. Will club even happen this fall with Covid predicted to spike again? Wondering if we should roll the dice and sit this year out with my 2025 kid and just work with a trainer.


Covid will be over after election.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dude this is a dead issue. They crammed enough garbage down everyone's throat to not only keep your money but also encourage them to ask you for more and even post try outs. Congrats to all the parents that made this happen. Must have been great driving 5 hrs out of state to play teams that are the next town over on LI. NO REFUNDS. Just end this thread. NO refunds No refunds and No refunds
Nailed it . Thanks to all the parents running around state to state . Zero pressure on the clubs . They want money September 1st already . Greedy
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I’ve been wondering about this too. Will club even happen this fall with Covid predicted to spike again? Wondering if we should roll the dice and sit this year out with my 2025 kid and just work with a trainer.


Covid will be over after election.

I sure as heck hope so bc that means all went well.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dude this is a dead issue. They crammed enough garbage down everyone's throat to not only keep your money but also encourage them to ask you for more and even post try outs. Congrats to all the parents that made this happen. Must have been great driving 5 hrs out of state to play teams that are the next town over on LI. NO REFUNDS. Just end this thread. NO refunds No refunds and No refunds
Nailed it . Thanks to all the parents running around state to state . Zero pressure on the clubs . They want money September 1st already . Greedy

I wouldn’t give the clubs another Dime 2020-2021 season everything is still uncertain. But people will feed into it .
Well seasons over, you parents will be back to the backyards and beach clubs getting hammered and strategizing how to get Garrett on his buddy Pierce's "A" Team. Worrying about the thought of thousands spent on a 2020/21 season that might be another money grab. Spend and Drink on!!! LaxLife!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well seasons over, you parents will be back to the backyards and beach clubs getting hammered and strategizing how to get Garrett on his buddy Pierce's "A" Team. Worrying about the thought of thousands spent on a 2020/21 season that might be another money grab. Spend and Drink on!!! LaxLife!!!

No refund , . But all of you spent time taking off work for tournaments durning the week , tolls , Gas money and going to state to state at a moment’s notice was it all worth it ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well seasons over, you parents will be back to the backyards and beach clubs getting hammered and strategizing how to get Garrett on his buddy Pierce's "A" Team. Worrying about the thought of thousands spent on a 2020/21 season that might be another money grab. Spend and Drink on!!! LaxLife!!!

No refund , . But all of you spent time taking off work for tournaments durning the week , tolls , Gas money and going to state to state at a moment’s notice was it all worth it ?

yes, it was
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No refund , . But all of you spent time taking off work for tournaments durning the week , tolls , Gas money and going to state to state at a moment’s notice was it all worth it ?


Yup. How was the view from your closet? wink
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well seasons over, you parents will be back to the backyards and beach clubs getting hammered and strategizing how to get Garrett on his buddy Pierce's "A" Team. Worrying about the thought of thousands spent on a 2020/21 season that might be another money grab. Spend and Drink on!!! LaxLife!!!

No refund , . But all of you spent time taking off work for tournaments durning the week , tolls , Gas money and going to state to state at a moment’s notice was it all worth it ?

I didn't understand the full contact at Blatant on long island and then LI tournaments in CT or Jersey with full contact? Why did we need to leave LI when there is full contact here?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well seasons over, you parents will be back to the backyards and beach clubs getting hammered and strategizing how to get Garrett on his buddy Pierce's "A" Team. Worrying about the thought of thousands spent on a 2020/21 season that might be another money grab. Spend and Drink on!!! LaxLife!!!

Or in our case, we will be planning for the Fall lax season which will be taking place. Considering school sports are cancelled, that works out great.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well seasons over, you parents will be back to the backyards and beach clubs getting hammered and strategizing how to get Garrett on his buddy Pierce's "A" Team. Worrying about the thought of thousands spent on a 2020/21 season that might be another money grab. Spend and Drink on!!! LaxLife!!!

Or in our case, we will be planning for the Fall lax season which will be taking place. Considering school sports are cancelled, that works out great.

Is this Fredo? Did your big brother tell you school sports are cancelled?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No refund required. Got a full summer and very happy. If you were unhappy, your club simply didn’t prepare.

What about all the missed practices no price on that ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well seasons over, you parents will be back to the backyards and beach clubs getting hammered and strategizing how to get Garrett on his buddy Pierce's "A" Team. Worrying about the thought of thousands spent on a 2020/21 season that might be another money grab. Spend and Drink on!!! LaxLife!!!

Darn right, though I’m more focused on getting Garrett off of our team. Season starts up again in 8 weeks!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well seasons over, you parents will be back to the backyards and beach clubs getting hammered and strategizing how to get Garrett on his buddy Pierce's "A" Team. Worrying about the thought of thousands spent on a 2020/21 season that might be another money grab. Spend and Drink on!!! LaxLife!!!

No refund , . But all of you spent time taking off work for tournaments durning the week , tolls , Gas money and going to state to state at a moment’s notice was it all worth it ?


Definitely.. The boys had a blast and will be in good shape heading into the fall.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No refund required. Got a full summer and very happy. If you were unhappy, your club simply didn’t prepare.

What about all the missed practices no price on that ?

That’s like saying what about all missed class time in school...did you get a tax rebate? Doubt it. Move on, summer is over. Some clubs did all they could to provide a decent product and some did less, to a lot less. You have a choice. Most of the better clubs are having evals this week, go to them and improve your sons situation. Go to the BOTC tryout page and start signing up.
Lets put this into perspective financially: Girls 2023: 2,600 for the 2020 "season" * 22 girls = 57,200. All paid up by December. So call that 50,000 per team, with A/B that is 100,000 per grade. Lets be conservative and say 6 grades. That is 600,000 these directors are putting in their pockets. Maybe they got burned pre-funding a tournament here or there, but clearly they spent less on that this year than ever. They had no travel costs, or incidentals.

I inquired about a refund and the director, who I will name eventually, whines telling me how hard his organization has been hit financially. He is completely full of garbage. He is better off now than he ever was.

And to be absolutely clear, these clubs are all acting in concert. They have all agreed not to refund anything, and are holding firm.

In a normal year, I would call them greedy- but at least they providing something for their exorbitant fees. This year they are bordering on fraudulent- keeping all of that money and providing no product.

I know attorneys- I wonder if I were to sick one of them on these guys, if they would roll to avoid the expense of defending themselves.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets put this into perspective financially: Girls 2023: 2,600 for the 2020 "season" * 22 girls = 57,200. All paid up by December. So call that 50,000 per team, with A/B that is 100,000 per grade. Lets be conservative and say 6 grades. That is 600,000 these directors are putting in their pockets. Maybe they got burned pre-funding a tournament here or there, but clearly they spent less on that this year than ever. They had no travel costs, or incidentals.

I inquired about a refund and the director, who I will name eventually, whines telling me how hard his organization has been hit financially. He is completely full of garbage. He is better off now than he ever was.

And to be absolutely clear, these clubs are all acting in concert. They have all agreed not to refund anything, and are holding firm.

In a normal year, I would call them greedy- but at least they providing something for their exorbitant fees. This year they are bordering on fraudulent- keeping all of that money and providing no product.

I know attorneys- I wonder if I were to sick one of them on these guys, if they would roll to avoid the expense of defending themselves.

Ok....so are you going to step up or are you going to whine about it and hope someone else steps up. You say you “know attorneys”. Again go and consult one and get the process started. Till then all you are is a BOTC whiner.
I cannot believe this thread is still going. In the time it started, my son has practiced weekly, played 4 tournaments already had tryouts and we are planning fall.
Right? NO REFUNDS And get your checkbook ready for FALL
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I cannot believe this thread is still going. In the time it started, my son has practiced weekly, played 4 tournaments already had tryouts and we are planning fall.

Same here, we practiced 2/3 days a week, had some play days, and played a few tournaments. Sure, some tournaments were cancelled, but considering the circumstances, it was probably the best we could have hoped for this season. I feel that our club worked very hard, probably much harder than other years, in order to juggle schedules, practices and tournaments. They were dealing with health regulations that basically changed on a daily basis. If somebody on here thinks that they didn't get the value for their money, then this is something to be discussed directly with your club, but you should not infer that everybody feels the same, or that the lacrosse world owes all parents a refund. If you feel so strongly about calling that attorney, ask if he/she will take the case on a contingency basis, probably not, because, outside of a mass conspiracy between all of the clubs, you case is probably garbage, and you would be foolish to spend the money on it, not to mention the fact that you will get yourself a reputation that will hurt your kids chances of playing for other clubs.
my kid played so much this summer, i am happy his club didn't ask for more money... oh wait, that is coming soon.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Right? NO REFUNDS And get your checkbook ready for FALL


Or don’t pay and don’t play. Great place the USA. It’s your choice.
After ten years and hundreds of games my kid gave it up! Best thing he ever did, keeps them busy but nothing at the end!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After ten years and hundreds of games my kid gave it up! Best thing he ever did, keeps them busy but nothing at the end!
fact that some detest to believe.
Yeah, keep drinking the koolaid! Just what the Lax system wants!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After ten years and hundreds of games my kid gave it up! Best thing he ever did, keeps them busy but nothing at the end!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After ten years and hundreds of games my kid gave it up! Best thing he ever did, keeps them busy but nothing at the end!


Don't overlook the value of 'keeping them busy'.. However, are you saying your kid developed no long lasting friendships through 10yrs of youth lacrosse?
If the 10yrs were meaningless, there may be other issues there..
I really don't get all the complaining on here about refunds.
Was this the season that parents, players and clubs envisioned? Absolutely not.
Was there a period of time where nobody know if a season would actually be able to happen? Of course

But since late May/early June (or something like that), my son's Club started small group training. Once allowed, expanded to full team practices. Then added scrimmages and ultimately play days/tournaments. Yes, it was an inconvenience to get to NJ or CT on a weekday or last minute for the weekend but I can't really say the club "owes" me anything in return for the shortened season.

I've already told my son's coaches and director that he'll be back next season, but given the uncertainty going into the Fall, I've told the Club that we're opting out of Fall/Winter and requested to only pay a prorated Spring/Summer tuition. Club director was happy to accommodate. I'll count that as my "refund" and I'm happily moving along. See you in March
I agree! Same for my daughter. She ended up having more club practices than a normal spring/summer because of school being virtual in the spring and she participated in her normal tournament schedule (4 summer tournaments). Some were condensed into 1 day vs 2 but still had the same number of games per tournament. It was one of the only "normal" things of our summer - even while wearing a mask on the sideline which is totally fine with me as long as it allowed it to happen. This thread is old news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I cannot believe this thread is still going. In the time it started, my son has practiced weekly, played 4 tournaments already had tryouts and we are planning fall.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree! Same for my daughter. She ended up having more club practices than a normal spring/summer because of school being virtual in the spring and she participated in her normal tournament schedule (4 summer tournaments). Some were condensed into 1 day vs 2 but still had the same number of games per tournament. It was one of the only "normal" things of our summer - even while wearing a mask on the sideline which is totally fine with me as long as it allowed it to happen. This thread is old news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I cannot believe this thread is still going. In the time it started, my son has practiced weekly, played 4 tournaments already had tryouts and we are planning fall.



I love love all of your pro-club comments!!! Glad you got your money’s worth!!! It was most definitely worth the hassle and money spent.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree! Same for my daughter. She ended up having more club practices than a normal spring/summer because of school being virtual in the spring and she participated in her normal tournament schedule (4 summer tournaments). Some were condensed into 1 day vs 2 but still had the same number of games per tournament. It was one of the only "normal" things of our summer - even while wearing a mask on the sideline which is totally fine with me as long as it allowed it to happen. This thread is old news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I cannot believe this thread is still going. In the time it started, my son has practiced weekly, played 4 tournaments already had tryouts and we are planning fall.



I love love all of your pro-club comments!!! Glad you got your money’s worth!!! It was most definitely worth the hassle and money spent.

The city of Danbury in Connecticut is facing a “serious outbreak” of the coronavirus, officials warned Friday as they urged residents to stay home.

“This is a serious outbreak in Danbury and we really need an all hands on deck approach,” Acting DPH Commissioner Deidre S. Gifford said in a statement.

From Aug. 2-20, the city recorded 178 new cases of the virus, compared to 40 over the previous two weeks.

Health officials are blaming the outbreak on outdoor barbecues, travel and youth sports, which have been cancelled over the uptick.
You bunch of ignorant self centered, self absorbed fools!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree! Same for my daughter. She ended up having more club practices than a normal spring/summer because of school being virtual in the spring and she participated in her normal tournament schedule (4 summer tournaments). Some were condensed into 1 day vs 2 but still had the same number of games per tournament. It was one of the only "normal" things of our summer - even while wearing a mask on the sideline which is totally fine with me as long as it allowed it to happen. This thread is old news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I cannot believe this thread is still going. In the time it started, my son has practiced weekly, played 4 tournaments already had tryouts and we are planning fall.



I love love all of your pro-club comments!!! Glad you got your money’s worth!!! It was most definitely worth the hassle and money spent.

The city of Danbury in Connecticut is facing a “serious outbreak” of the coronavirus, officials warned Friday as they urged residents to stay home.

“This is a serious outbreak in Danbury and we really need an all hands on deck approach,” Acting DPH Commissioner Deidre S. Gifford said in a statement.

From Aug. 2-20, the city recorded 178 new cases of the virus, compared to 40 over the previous two weeks.

Health officials are blaming the outbreak on outdoor barbecues, travel and youth sports, which have been cancelled over the uptick.
You bunch of ignorant self centered, self absorbed fools!

so you are saying that somehow, people that traveled there, played lacrosse for a game or two and then went home spread it to the community there? then on top of it, there has been no other team or club outbreaks or "clusters" reported from those that were actually attending the event. let not forget all the baseball, softball, soccer, etc games going on too, but blame it on the lax people. get a life.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree! Same for my daughter. She ended up having more club practices than a normal spring/summer because of school being virtual in the spring and she participated in her normal tournament schedule (4 summer tournaments). Some were condensed into 1 day vs 2 but still had the same number of games per tournament. It was one of the only "normal" things of our summer - even while wearing a mask on the sideline which is totally fine with me as long as it allowed it to happen. This thread is old news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I cannot believe this thread is still going. In the time it started, my son has practiced weekly, played 4 tournaments already had tryouts and we are planning fall.



I love love all of your pro-club comments!!! Glad you got your money’s worth!!! It was most definitely worth the hassle and money spent.

The city of Danbury in Connecticut is facing a “serious outbreak” of the coronavirus, officials warned Friday as they urged residents to stay home.

“This is a serious outbreak in Danbury and we really need an all hands on deck approach,” Acting DPH Commissioner Deidre S. Gifford said in a statement.

From Aug. 2-20, the city recorded 178 new cases of the virus, compared to 40 over the previous two weeks.

Health officials are blaming the outbreak on outdoor barbecues, travel and youth sports, which have been cancelled over the uptick.
You bunch of ignorant self centered, self absorbed fools!

Sorry your son didn't make any teams. Plenty of solid rec programs to catch on with.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree! Same for my daughter. She ended up having more club practices than a normal spring/summer because of school being virtual in the spring and she participated in her normal tournament schedule (4 summer tournaments). Some were condensed into 1 day vs 2 but still had the same number of games per tournament. It was one of the only "normal" things of our summer - even while wearing a mask on the sideline which is totally fine with me as long as it allowed it to happen. This thread is old news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I cannot believe this thread is still going. In the time it started, my son has practiced weekly, played 4 tournaments already had tryouts and we are planning fall.



I love love all of your pro-club comments!!! Glad you got your money’s worth!!! It was most definitely worth the hassle and money spent.

The city of Danbury in Connecticut is facing a “serious outbreak” of the coronavirus, officials warned Friday as they urged residents to stay home.

“This is a serious outbreak in Danbury and we really need an all hands on deck approach,” Acting DPH Commissioner Deidre S. Gifford said in a statement.

From Aug. 2-20, the city recorded 178 new cases of the virus, compared to 40 over the previous two weeks.

Health officials are blaming the outbreak on outdoor barbecues, travel and youth sports, which have been cancelled over the uptick.
You bunch of ignorant self centered, self absorbed fools!

Perhaps the “outbreak” are really false positives. Seems like that the new in vogue going on. Are they hospital cases? Are they on respirators? Or are they asymptomatic that according to WHO can’t transmit either. Just wondering. Seems like a lot of people yelling about much they know little about.

If you want to live in fear, go right ahead, please stay shuttered inside. Leave those who want a normal life alone. See you in November.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree! Same for my daughter. She ended up having more club practices than a normal spring/summer because of school being virtual in the spring and she participated in her normal tournament schedule (4 summer tournaments). Some were condensed into 1 day vs 2 but still had the same number of games per tournament. It was one of the only "normal" things of our summer - even while wearing a mask on the sideline which is totally fine with me as long as it allowed it to happen. This thread is old news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I cannot believe this thread is still going. In the time it started, my son has practiced weekly, played 4 tournaments already had tryouts and we are planning fall.



I love love all of your pro-club comments!!! Glad you got your money’s worth!!! It was most definitely worth the hassle and money spent.

The city of Danbury in Connecticut is facing a “serious outbreak” of the coronavirus, officials warned Friday as they urged residents to stay home.

“This is a serious outbreak in Danbury and we really need an all hands on deck approach,” Acting DPH Commissioner Deidre S. Gifford said in a statement.

From Aug. 2-20, the city recorded 178 new cases of the virus, compared to 40 over the previous two weeks.

Health officials are blaming the outbreak on outdoor barbecues, travel and youth sports, which have been cancelled over the uptick.
You bunch of ignorant self centered, self absorbed fools!

Sorry your son didn't make any teams. Plenty of solid rec programs to catch on with.


Bro, you so got them. Not everyone can hang with us. They obviously aren't willing to sacrifice to be the best. Sorry if they don't want to hear the truth, but lets be honest bro, not everyone is D1 material. We sacrifice all of our weekends, all year round, and thousands of dollars, and family time because our kids love to play and they are D1 material. I wouldn't even be on this forum if my kid weren't so incredibly driven to succeed on his own. It is just so sick. I will link his bio and recruiting film shortly. In case you were wondering he is a 4.0 coaches dream- does all of the huddle things coaches are looking for.
And you actually blame club lacrosse for this? Hilarious. In the 7 years my daughter has played club lax, I’ve never once attended a tournament in Danbury, CT. This type of fear mongering is part of the problem.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree! Same for my daughter. She ended up having more club practices than a normal spring/summer because of school being virtual in the spring and she participated in her normal tournament schedule (4 summer tournaments). Some were condensed into 1 day vs 2 but still had the same number of games per tournament. It was one of the only "normal" things of our summer - even while wearing a mask on the sideline which is totally fine with me as long as it allowed it to happen. This thread is old news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I cannot believe this thread is still going. In the time it started, my son has practiced weekly, played 4 tournaments already had tryouts and we are planning fall.



I love love all of your pro-club comments!!! Glad you got your money’s worth!!! It was most definitely worth the hassle and money spent.

The city of Danbury in Connecticut is facing a “serious outbreak” of the coronavirus, officials warned Friday as they urged residents to stay home.

“This is a serious outbreak in Danbury and we really need an all hands on deck approach,” Acting DPH Commissioner Deidre S. Gifford said in a statement.

From Aug. 2-20, the city recorded 178 new cases of the virus, compared to 40 over the previous two weeks.

Health officials are blaming the outbreak on outdoor barbecues, travel and youth sports, which have been cancelled over the uptick.
You bunch of ignorant self centered, self absorbed fools!

Perhaps the “outbreak” are really false positives. Seems like that the new in vogue going on. Are they hospital cases? Are they on respirators? Or are they asymptomatic that according to WHO can’t transmit either. Just wondering. Seems like a lot of people yelling about much they know little about.

If you want to live in fear, go right ahead, please stay shuttered inside. Leave those who want a normal life alone. See you in November.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree! Same for my daughter. She ended up having more club practices than a normal spring/summer because of school being virtual in the spring and she participated in her normal tournament schedule (4 summer tournaments). Some were condensed into 1 day vs 2 but still had the same number of games per tournament. It was one of the only "normal" things of our summer - even while wearing a mask on the sideline which is totally fine with me as long as it allowed it to happen. This thread is old news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I cannot believe this thread is still going. In the time it started, my son has practiced weekly, played 4 tournaments already had tryouts and we are planning fall.



I love love all of your pro-club comments!!! Glad you got your money’s worth!!! It was most definitely worth the hassle and money spent.

The city of Danbury in Connecticut is facing a “serious outbreak” of the coronavirus, officials warned Friday as they urged residents to stay home.

“This is a serious outbreak in Danbury and we really need an all hands on deck approach,” Acting DPH Commissioner Deidre S. Gifford said in a statement.

From Aug. 2-20, the city recorded 178 new cases of the virus, compared to 40 over the previous two weeks.

Health officials are blaming the outbreak on outdoor barbecues, travel and youth sports, which have been cancelled over the uptick.
You bunch of ignorant self centered, self absorbed fools!

Perhaps the “outbreak” are really false positives. Seems like that the new in vogue going on. Are they hospital cases? Are they on respirators? Or are they asymptomatic that according to WHO can’t transmit either. Just wondering. Seems like a lot of people yelling about much they know little about.

If you want to live in fear, go right ahead, please stay shuttered inside. Leave those who want a normal life alone. See you in November.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And you actually blame club lacrosse for this? Hilarious. In the 7 years my daughter has played club lax, I’ve never once attended a tournament in Danbury, CT. This type of fear mongering is part of the problem.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree! Same for my daughter. She ended up having more club practices than a normal spring/summer because of school being virtual in the spring and she participated in her normal tournament schedule (4 summer tournaments). Some were condensed into 1 day vs 2 but still had the same number of games per tournament. It was one of the only "normal" things of our summer - even while wearing a mask on the sideline which is totally fine with me as long as it allowed it to happen. This thread is old news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I cannot believe this thread is still going. In the time it started, my son has practiced weekly, played 4 tournaments already had tryouts and we are planning fall.



I love love all of your pro-club comments!!! Glad you got your money’s worth!!! It was most definitely worth the hassle and money spent.

The city of Danbury in Connecticut is facing a “serious outbreak” of the coronavirus, officials warned Friday as they urged residents to stay home.

“This is a serious outbreak in Danbury and we really need an all hands on deck approach,” Acting DPH Commissioner Deidre S. Gifford said in a statement.

From Aug. 2-20, the city recorded 178 new cases of the virus, compared to 40 over the previous two weeks.

Health officials are blaming the outbreak on outdoor barbecues, travel and youth sports, which have been cancelled over the uptick.
You bunch of ignorant self centered, self absorbed fools!

Perhaps the “outbreak” are really false positives. Seems like that the new in vogue going on. Are they hospital cases? Are they on respirators? Or are they asymptomatic that according to WHO can’t transmit either. Just wondering. Seems like a lot of people yelling about much they know little about.

If you want to live in fear, go right ahead, please stay shuttered inside. Leave those who want a normal life alone. See you in November.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree! Same for my daughter. She ended up having more club practices than a normal spring/summer because of school being virtual in the spring and she participated in her normal tournament schedule (4 summer tournaments). Some were condensed into 1 day vs 2 but still had the same number of games per tournament. It was one of the only "normal" things of our summer - even while wearing a mask on the sideline which is totally fine with me as long as it allowed it to happen. This thread is old news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I cannot believe this thread is still going. In the time it started, my son has practiced weekly, played 4 tournaments already had tryouts and we are planning fall.



I love love all of your pro-club comments!!! Glad you got your money’s worth!!! It was most definitely worth the hassle and money spent.

The city of Danbury in Connecticut is facing a “serious outbreak” of the coronavirus, officials warned Friday as they urged residents to stay home.

“This is a serious outbreak in Danbury and we really need an all hands on deck approach,” Acting DPH Commissioner Deidre S. Gifford said in a statement.

From Aug. 2-20, the city recorded 178 new cases of the virus, compared to 40 over the previous two weeks.

Health officials are blaming the outbreak on outdoor barbecues, travel and youth sports, which have been cancelled over the uptick.
You bunch of ignorant self centered, self absorbed fools!

Perhaps the “outbreak” are really false positives. Seems like that the new in vogue going on. Are they hospital cases? Are they on respirators? Or are they asymptomatic that according to WHO can’t transmit either. Just wondering. Seems like a lot of people yelling about much they know little about.

If you want to live in fear, go right ahead, please stay shuttered inside. Leave those who want a normal life alone. See you in November.
Ignorant.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree! Same for my daughter. She ended up having more club practices than a normal spring/summer because of school being virtual in the spring and she participated in her normal tournament schedule (4 summer tournaments). Some were condensed into 1 day vs 2 but still had the same number of games per tournament. It was one of the only "normal" things of our summer - even while wearing a mask on the sideline which is totally fine with me as long as it allowed it to happen. This thread is old news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I cannot believe this thread is still going. In the time it started, my son has practiced weekly, played 4 tournaments already had tryouts and we are planning fall.



I love love all of your pro-club comments!!! Glad you got your money’s worth!!! It was most definitely worth the hassle and money spent.

The city of Danbury in Connecticut is facing a “serious outbreak” of the coronavirus, officials warned Friday as they urged residents to stay home.

“This is a serious outbreak in Danbury and we really need an all hands on deck approach,” Acting DPH Commissioner Deidre S. Gifford said in a statement.

From Aug. 2-20, the city recorded 178 new cases of the virus, compared to 40 over the previous two weeks.

Health officials are blaming the outbreak on outdoor barbecues, travel and youth sports, which have been cancelled over the uptick.
You bunch of ignorant self centered, self absorbed fools!

Sorry your son didn't make any teams. Plenty of solid rec programs to catch on with.


Bro, you so got them. Not everyone can hang with us. They obviously aren't willing to sacrifice to be the best. Sorry if they don't want to hear the truth, but lets be honest bro, not everyone is D1 material. We sacrifice all of our weekends, all year round, and thousands of dollars, and family time because our kids love to play and they are D1 material. I wouldn't even be on this forum if my kid weren't so incredibly driven to succeed on his own. It is just so sick. I will link his bio and recruiting film shortly. In case you were wondering he is a 4.0 coaches dream- does all of the huddle things coaches are looking for.

Fish on..bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz LOL
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The city of Danbury in Connecticut is facing a “serious outbreak” of the coronavirus, officials warned Friday as they urged residents to stay home.

“This is a serious outbreak in Danbury and we really need an all hands on deck approach,” Acting DPH Commissioner Deidre S. Gifford said in a statement.

From Aug. 2-20, the city recorded 178 new cases of the virus, compared to 40 over the previous two weeks.

Health officials are blaming the outbreak on outdoor barbecues, travel and youth sports, which have been cancelled over the uptick.
You bunch of ignorant self centered, self absorbed fools!

Guess what they are not blaming?

https://patch.com/connecticut/danbury/danbury-readies-3rd-black-lives-matter-protest-friday
HAS CLUB TUTION INCREASED THIS YEAR ??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HAS CLUB TUTION INCREASED THIS YEAR ??

Of course they have. Even with credits from last year my kids is a little more expensive. Might be because he is getting older and costs go up due to recruiting tournaments but the answer is yes.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HAS CLUB TUTION INCREASED THIS YEAR ??

Wish my cost of living wage increase like Lax Tuition yr after yr.
I had a disagreement over money with the Director of my kid’s lacrosse club. I did a little digging on him and was surprised what I found. Some of these guys brag about their Wall Street careers- so I checked this guy out. I was surprised (but not) on what was publicly available on this guy on Finra BrokerCheck (you can search the licenses of brokers and former brokers to see disciplinary records, lawsuits, etc).

What I found out about this guy explained exactly why he and I had a problem. If your Director is a former broker, check him out. Know who you are dealing with.
What club? Best part is we can continue this ridiculous rebate argument for the next 8 months all over again....
This Lacrosse will get shut down soon. Dont pay in full and be wise not like last time you all talked but ran right back to the same tactics.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I had a disagreement over money with the Director of my kid’s lacrosse club. I did a little digging on him and was surprised what I found. Some of these guys brag about their Wall Street careers- so I checked this guy out. I was surprised (but not) on what was publicly available on this guy on Finra BrokerCheck (you can search the licenses of brokers and former brokers to see disciplinary records, lawsuits, etc).

What I found out about this guy explained exactly why he and I had a problem. If your Director is a former broker, check him out. Know who you are dealing with.

Give us a hint which club . They are shadyyyy. So done with this . People still running out of state for tournaments to olay other NY teams .... lolol
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What club? Best part is we can continue this ridiculous rebate argument for the next 8 months all over again....

Its not my place to name names. I did my homework and now I know this guy was thrown out of the securities industry for not meeting his end of an Customer arbitration for more than $1MM. He was found guilty of fraud and breach of fiduciary responsibility. Very serious stuff- and assuming he couldnt make his client whole, he walked and started over with a clean slate selling D1 dreams.

This is America, and everyone has a right to a fresh start I guess. I am just saying- if the info is out there, know who you are dealing with.
Not sure what is ridiculous about this side of the argument. If you pay for something in advance, but don’t receive it, don’t you get a refund? Is that a ridiculous expectation? It is this simply whomever has the gold makes the rules?

I bet the IRS would love to take a look at a few if these guys...
Unethical wall street salesmen (and that is all they are- they have no great product expertise- there skill is gaining your confidence) trade a hunting ground where they are regulated out of business for one where there is NO regulation... sounds like a perfect recipe for fraud...

Of which many of you, including myself, were victims this summer. Shame on you for being willing victims yet again.

One other trick- all of these D1 players they claim...see how many actually came up through the program and how many spent a year of HS with them (often on “scholarship” to help them pad their marketing).

Buyer beware.
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Unethical wall street salesmen (and that is all they are- they have no great product expertise- there skill is gaining your confidence) trade a hunting ground where they are regulated out of business for one where there is NO regulation... sounds like a perfect recipe for fraud...

Of which many of you, including myself, were victims this summer. Shame on you for being willing victims yet again.

One other trick- all of these D1 players they claim...see how many actually came up through the program and how many spent a year of HS with them (often on “scholarship” to help them pad their marketing).

Buyer beware.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Unethical wall street salesmen (and that is all they are- they have no great product expertise- there skill is gaining your confidence) trade a hunting ground where they are regulated out of business for one where there is NO regulation... sounds like a perfect recipe for fraud...

Of which many of you, including myself, were victims this summer. Shame on you for being willing victims yet again.

One other trick- all of these D1 players they claim...see how many actually came up through the program and how many spent a year of HS with them (often on “scholarship” to help them pad their marketing).

Buyer beware.


Nailed it.
Our club gave us a generous $150 refund. But coincidentally raised the price this year by $500. What a bummer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure what is ridiculous about this side of the argument. If you pay for something in advance, but don’t receive it, don’t you get a refund? Is that a ridiculous expectation? It is this simply whomever has the gold makes the rules?

I bet the IRS would love to take a look at a few if these guys...


Next time pay with PayPal, they refund for goods not received!
What club ?
Expose them cats out of the bag .
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Expose them cats out of the bag .

I might but I could see this guy turning around and suing me. I really don’t need that right now.
There is nothing wrong with suggesting people do a background check on a certain club along with its directors and coaches. We have the right as consumers to be informed.
Anyone know what happen to Athlete Zone in St. James try calling and website down . Place had all around great training durning the week , shooting , goalie F/O ???
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know what happen to Athlete Zone in St. James try calling and website down . Place had all around great training durning the week , shooting , goalie F/O ???

Athlete Zone closed down, they lost their lease.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know what happen to Athlete Zone in St. James try calling and website down . Place had all around great training durning the week , shooting , goalie F/O ???

Athlete Zone closed down, they lost their lease.

Good. That place was an absolute dump
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know what happen to Athlete Zone in St. James try calling and website down . Place had all around great training durning the week , shooting , goalie F/O ???

Athlete Zone closed down, they lost their lease.

And many people lost money from pre paid clinic packages .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know what happen to Athlete Zone in St. James try calling and website down . Place had all around great training durning the week , shooting , goalie F/O ???

Athlete Zone closed down, they lost their lease.

Good. That place was an absolute dump

And they stole everyone’s money .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know what happen to Athlete Zone in St. James try calling and website down . Place had all around great training durning the week , shooting , goalie F/O ???

Athlete Zone closed down, they lost their lease.

Good. That place was an absolute dump

And they stole everyone’s money .

wasn't the Bandits kids dad running that place?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know what happen to Athlete Zone in St. James try calling and website down . Place had all around great training durning the week , shooting , goalie F/O ???

Athlete Zone closed down, they lost their lease.

Good. That place was an absolute dump

And they stole everyone’s money .

I'm owed 10 lessons! Someone told me the guy who ran the place, kid plays on the Turtles. I'm going to see him for a refund.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know what happen to Athlete Zone in St. James try calling and website down . Place had all around great training durning the week , shooting , goalie F/O ???

Athlete Zone closed down, they lost their lease.

Good. That place was an absolute dump

And they stole everyone’s money .

wasn't the Bandits kids dad running that place?

Annapolis Hawks dad. Go see him. You can find him running up and down the Jersey turnpike.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know what happen to Athlete Zone in St. James try calling and website down . Place had all around great training durning the week , shooting , goalie F/O ???

Athlete Zone closed down, they lost their lease.

Good. That place was an absolute dump

And they stole everyone’s money .

wasn't the Bandits kids dad running that place?

Annapolis Hawks dad. Go see him. You can find him running up and down the Jersey turnpike.

2 Smithtown dads ran the place with the Marble Notebook keeping track . Im owed 3 . 3 x $40 = $120 give me $80 call it even .
That ship has sailed. Directors already asking for money up front for winter sessions that may never happen. They didn't lose a dime last season yet they want you to assume all the risk. Buyers beware Covid isn't over for a long time. HS kids may never see a field this year. Sad reality. All the while director keep pushing their product and crying poverty.
I didn't know the other shady guy, I knew BR. So, BR stole my money.
Did anyone reach out to them? See what happened? Are they looking to reopen? They seemed like stand up guys.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did anyone reach out to them? See what happened? Are they looking to reopen? They seemed like stand up guys.
Yes tried to reach out . Nothinnnnng . No response. Spent alot of money at the Athlete zone with my older guy now playing D3 and my 9th grader now. They never said a word just closed up shop. Bad business. Years ago was different guys were running it , since BR and bandit f/o dad ran it saw it shady . Both sons faceoffs kids . BR has 2 kids on turtles. 1 F/O on 2025 . Dad is a worm. Both Smithtown schools .
Heard yesterday that a coach is positive for Covid and here it is the next day and the club has not notified they families. They were at a tournament last Sunday too.
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Heard yesterday that a coach is positive for Covid and here it is the next day and the club has not notified they families. They were at a tournament last Sunday too.
Which tournament ?
Schools shutting down . Tournaments out of state done . Once again another uncertain winter training . Keep filling the the clubs pockets .
My son had a great fall. We will see what happens. Hope for the best. Are we supposed to hide under our blankets, like kids scared of the boogie man.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard yesterday that a coach is positive for Covid and here it is the next day and the club has not notified they families. They were at a tournament last Sunday too.
Which tournament ?

NJ, NAL. NLF is this weekend, held at the same location in NJ as last weekends tourney.
Hope the clubs put freeze on tuition not like last spring because everything getting shut down ...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hope the clubs put freeze on tuition not like last spring because everything getting shut down ...

That's hilarious, I needed a good laugh today thank you.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hope the clubs put freeze on tuition not like last spring because everything getting shut down ...

That's hilarious, I needed a good laugh today thank you.

Until you start crying 2-3 months from now and your talking bad about your greedy director taking your cash !
Look- a fool and his money are soon parted as the saying goes.

No idea about the boys side of this whole thing, but my daughter's club was paid in installments which effectively made them paid in full prior to the season. And then there was no season. Yes the director arranged some complete BS "play dates" and a mosquito fest in Heckscher State Park. No refund and no discount, even though it should be clear to anyone that he made out like a bandit- got all of his revenue, but didn't have to pay for his own travel cost OR to tournament fees for each of his teams (which is their biggest expense by far- usually 1500-1800 per team per tournament).

Any director who had a season like above who cries poor is a liar. Anyone who believes them is just plain notIntelligent, drunk, obsessed with the man, or simply too blinded by Ivy League ambitions for their kid.

Who knows what 2021 brings- hopefully it is much better and last summer was a once in a lifetime event. But those of you who eagerly wrote 2021 checks to these guys, knowing that they had no problem taking your money for nothing in 2020, are doing so at your own risk. They showed their true colors last year. When someone tells you who they are, maybe you should believe them.

I didn't write that check this year.
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Look- a fool and his money are soon parted as the saying goes.

No idea about the boys side of this whole thing, but my daughter's club was paid in installments which effectively made them paid in full prior to the season. And then there was no season. Yes the director arranged some complete BS "play dates" and a mosquito fest in Heckscher State Park. No refund and no discount, even though it should be clear to anyone that he made out like a bandit- got all of his revenue, but didn't have to pay for his own travel cost OR to tournament fees for each of his teams (which is their biggest expense by far- usually 1500-1800 per team per tournament).

Any director who had a season like above who cries poor is a liar. Anyone who believes them is just plain notIntelligent, drunk, obsessed with the man, or simply too blinded by Ivy League ambitions for their kid.

Who knows what 2021 brings- hopefully it is much better and last summer was a once in a lifetime event. But those of you who eagerly wrote 2021 checks to these guys, knowing that they had no problem taking your money for nothing in 2020, are doing so at your own risk. They showed their true colors last year. When someone tells you who they are, maybe you should believe them.

I didn't write that check this year.


Well stated!
Fool me once, shame on you,
fool me twice....
NJ just shut down all indoor youth sports. Who in their right mind would send their kid indoors to play or train with heavy breathing, tight areas, and almost zero ventalation?

I was all in for outdoors, but these indoor places were a health risk in good times let alone during a Pandemic!
It will all be worth it in the end when my sons tuition is 54,000 instead of 56,500. Plus I’ll get to tell all my friends at work my son has a lax scholarship.
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It will all be worth it in the end when my sons tuition is 54,000 instead of 56,500. Plus I’ll get to tell all my friends at work my son has a lax scholarship.

Best post ever cool aid parents detest to believe !!!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will all be worth it in the end when my sons tuition is 54,000 instead of 56,500. Plus I’ll get to tell all my friends at work my son has a lax scholarship.

Best post ever cool aid parents detest to believe !!!

And I'm the co-worker of the parent of Johnny-Lax lost, and my response is "who gives a S%iT"
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will all be worth it in the end when my sons tuition is 54,000 instead of 56,500. Plus I’ll get to tell all my friends at work my son has a lax scholarship.

Best post ever cool aid parents detest to believe !!!

And I'm the co-worker of the parent of Johnny-Lax lost, and my response is "who gives a flying poop"

The Express parents care.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will all be worth it in the end when my sons tuition is 54,000 instead of 56,500. Plus I’ll get to tell all my friends at work my son has a lax scholarship.
Couldn't of said it any better. Post of the year!
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NJ just shut down all indoor youth sports. Who in their right mind would send their kid indoors to play or train with heavy breathing, tight areas, and almost zero ventalation?

Someone who realizes that kids are at basically zero risk from Covid?

Someone who would much prefer their kid get exercise over the Winter instead of sit in front of the computer all day (between online school and XBox)?

Someone who can spell "ventilation"?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will all be worth it in the end when my sons tuition is 54,000 instead of 56,500. Plus I’ll get to tell all my friends at work my son has a lax scholarship.

Have your kid work hard over the winter. He'll eventually make the team he wants. It stings now, but maybe you can make it a positive out of being cut.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NJ just shut down all indoor youth sports. Who in their right mind would send their kid indoors to play or train with heavy breathing, tight areas, and almost zero ventalation?

Someone who realizes that kids are at basically zero risk from Covid?

Someone who would much prefer their kid get exercise over the Winter instead of sit in front of the computer all day (between online school and XBox)?

Someone who can spell "ventilation"?

Not worried about my kid but bringing it home where I do worry about elder family
Down south boys still playing will surpass the Li . The Li Mecca will come to a hault .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Down south boys still playing will surpass the Li . The Li Mecca will come to a hault .

Why is it so difficult to correctly spell a 4 letter word; HALT.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not worried about my kid but bringing it home where I do worry about elder family


Protect at risk people. Don't deny kids healthy exercise and social interaction in a vain effort to protect others. Same reason they should all be in school.
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Down south boys still playing will surpass the Li . The Li Mecca will come to a hault .

LI is a lax stronghold because these children’s parents and grandparents were lacrosse players. They have a deep understanding of the game and can pass that down to their children. I’m not worried about players down south surpassing my son in one season. Oh, and my kid practices twice a week with his school team and 2-3 times a week with his club team. My guess is that he’ll be fine.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not worried about my kid but bringing it home where I do worry about elder family


Protect at risk people. Don't deny kids healthy exercise and social interaction in a vain effort to protect others. Same reason they should all be in school.

They wear masks in school. Big difference
After 5-6 years of shelling out money (and making these dream sellers very comfortable), have any of you saved for the 40-50K per year you will be shelling to have your kid attend a private university (I am being optimistic that they get a 5-10K scholarship for each of 4 years)?

The answer is NO, because I know many of you.

You have been funding perhaps the most vain of all pursuits- bragging rights that your kid plays in college. It's sad on the one hand- but I would hope at some point, some of you see it as a chance for self reflection. You gave up your child's summers, so you could crow. You literally stole their childhood. You weren't helping them live their dreams- you were feeding your ego.

I hope that bumper sticker was worth it.

Aside, you will be shocked to see how many of your little studs end their college career early due to a "career ending" injury. Many of them can't wait to end it without you in sight.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After 5-6 years of shelling out money (and making these dream sellers very comfortable), have any of you saved for the 40-50K per year you will be shelling to have your kid attend a private university (I am being optimistic that they get a 5-10K scholarship for each of 4 years)?

The answer is NO, because I know many of you.

You have been funding perhaps the most vain of all pursuits- bragging rights that your kid plays in college. It's sad on the one hand- but I would hope at some point, some of you see it as a chance for self reflection. You gave up your child's summers, so you could crow. You literally stole their childhood. You weren't helping them live their dreams- you were feeding your ego.

I hope that bumper sticker was worth it.

Aside, you will be shocked to see how many of your little studs end their college career early due to a "career ending" injury. Many of them can't wait to end it without you in sight.

Someone sounds a little angry - perhaps you're projecting here. Personally my deal is:

(1) Son is enjoying lacrosse. So not sure where the "stole their childhood" comes in. Playing lacrosse and having fun doing it seems like a pretty good childhood.

(2) Son plays on a number of teams (box, club, high school, random) and we pay a good bit of money for all of that.

(3) He may or may not play in college. I'd love it if he does, because the wife and I enjoy watching him play. But it is his decision.

(4) Regardless of what happens with recruiting, we have managed to save plenty of money - partly by not paying for private high school, partly by living within our means (no beach house, paid off cars, etc.)
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not worried about my kid but bringing it home where I do worry about elder family


Protect at risk people. Don't deny kids healthy exercise and social interaction in a vain effort to protect others. Same reason they should all be in school.

They wear masks in school. Big difference


Not all schools require masks - and there still haven't been any significant outbreaks traced to schools.

Kids have been playing in tournaments since June and also no significant outbreaks from all of those events.

The fact is that kids aren't a big source of transmission. We should be thankful for that and stop robbing them of their activities based on nothing more than irrational fear.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After 5-6 years of shelling out money (and making these dream sellers very comfortable), have any of you saved for the 40-50K per year you will be shelling to have your kid attend a private university (I am being optimistic that they get a 5-10K scholarship for each of 4 years)?

The answer is NO, because I know many of you.

You have been funding perhaps the most vain of all pursuits- bragging rights that your kid plays in college. It's sad on the one hand- but I would hope at some point, some of you see it as a chance for self reflection. You gave up your child's summers, so you could crow. You literally stole their childhood. You weren't helping them live their dreams- you were feeding your ego.

I hope that bumper sticker was worth it.

Aside, you will be shocked to see how many of your little studs end their college career early due to a "career ending" injury. Many of them can't wait to end it without you in sight.

Great post . Some people don’t like to hear the truth. I think lacrosse scholarships wont be around in the future. They are really not anyway with 50 kids on a college roster and only 12 full scholarships. The university's will take a big step back after the covid clears for non-revenue sports .
Don't listen to this clown! Yeah he has money in the bank for his kids college, thanks to the grandparents! They probably bought him his house when he got married too!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After 5-6 years of shelling out money (and making these dream sellers very comfortable), have any of you saved for the 40-50K per year you will be shelling to have your kid attend a private university (I am being optimistic that they get a 5-10K scholarship for each of 4 years)?

The answer is NO, because I know many of you.

You have been funding perhaps the most vain of all pursuits- bragging rights that your kid plays in college. It's sad on the one hand- but I would hope at some point, some of you see it as a chance for self reflection. You gave up your child's summers, so you could crow. You literally stole their childhood. You weren't helping them live their dreams- you were feeding your ego.

I hope that bumper sticker was worth it.

Aside, you will be shocked to see how many of your little studs end their college career early due to a "career ending" injury. Many of them can't wait to end it without you in sight.

Great post . Some people don’t like to hear the truth. I think lacrosse scholarships wont be around in the future. They are really not anyway with 50 kids on a college roster and only 12 full scholarships. The university's will take a big step back after the covid clears for non-revenue sports .

For some, lacrosse is a way to get into schools that might have been out of their reach without the extra pull of a sport. Is it worth the time and money spent if your kid can go to Cornell instead of Yeshiva?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After 5-6 years of shelling out money (and making these dream sellers very comfortable), have any of you saved for the 40-50K per year you will be shelling to have your kid attend a private university (I am being optimistic that they get a 5-10K scholarship for each of 4 years)?

The answer is NO, because I know many of you.

You have been funding perhaps the most vain of all pursuits- bragging rights that your kid plays in college. It's sad on the one hand- but I would hope at some point, some of you see it as a chance for self reflection. You gave up your child's summers, so you could crow. You literally stole their childhood. You weren't helping them live their dreams- you were feeding your ego.

I hope that bumper sticker was worth it.

Aside, you will be shocked to see how many of your little studs end their college career early due to a "career ending" injury. Many of them can't wait to end it without you in sight.

Great post . Some people don’t like to hear the truth. I think lacrosse scholarships wont be around in the future. They are really not anyway with 50 kids on a college roster and only 12 full scholarships. The university's will take a big step back after the covid clears for non-revenue sports .

LOL. Did it ever occur to you that our kids want to play lacrosse? We would have no problem whatsoever if they said we don't want to play anymore. After season ends the question is do YOU want to play lacrosse next year? If so here are the tryout dates.

I'm guessing you didn't actually have any talent in sports growing up because if you did you would know there is not a whole lot of things you would rather be doing. Me and my friends spent every free minute driving town to town trying to find basketball games. Organized sports kept us out of trouble and we had coaches making sure our grades didn't slip. Went on road trips out of town that I am 100% sure wouldn't have happened with the family. Parents didn't go on the trips back then, just the team.

Who is stealing their summer? Kids sleep in until noon unless we wake them up to go to the beach which they don't want to do after around 8 years old. Are you delusional enough to think that everyone is rich and spends their summer jetting around the world on vacation in July and August? Oh I can't spend the month of July in Dubai this year !!!!!!!!!!!! Wretched lacrosse!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really nutjob? There really isn't that much lacrosse that it ruins your whole summer.

Do you even have a kid who plays? Sounds like no. And no I have no dreams of my kids getting a college scholarship but I would rather them spending time doing something THEY WANT to do then riding in the streets doing pop a wheelies at cars.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After 5-6 years of shelling out money (and making these dream sellers very comfortable), have any of you saved for the 40-50K per year you will be shelling to have your kid attend a private university (I am being optimistic that they get a 5-10K scholarship for each of 4 years)?

The answer is NO, because I know many of you.

You have been funding perhaps the most vain of all pursuits- bragging rights that your kid plays in college. It's sad on the one hand- but I would hope at some point, some of you see it as a chance for self reflection. You gave up your child's summers, so you could crow. You literally stole their childhood. You weren't helping them live their dreams- you were feeding your ego.

I hope that bumper sticker was worth it.

Aside, you will be shocked to see how many of your little studs end their college career early due to a "career ending" injury. Many of them can't wait to end it without you in sight.

Great post . Some people don’t like to hear the truth. I think lacrosse scholarships wont be around in the future. They are really not anyway with 50 kids on a college roster and only 12 full scholarships. The university's will take a big step back after the covid clears for non-revenue sports .

LOL. Did it ever occur to you that our kids want to play lacrosse? We would have no problem whatsoever if they said we don't want to play anymore. After season ends the question is do YOU want to play lacrosse next year? If so here are the tryout dates.

I'm guessing you didn't actually have any talent in sports growing up because if you did you would know there is not a whole lot of things you would rather be doing. Me and my friends spent every free minute driving town to town trying to find basketball games. Organized sports kept us out of trouble and we had coaches making sure our grades didn't slip. Went on road trips out of town that I am 100% sure wouldn't have happened with the family. Parents didn't go on the trips back then, just the team.

Who is stealing their summer? Kids sleep in until noon unless we wake them up to go to the beach which they don't want to do after around 8 years old. Are you delusional enough to think that everyone is rich and spends their summer jetting around the world on vacation in July and August? Oh I can't spend the month of July in Dubai this year !!!!!!!!!!!! Wretched lacrosse!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really nutjob? There really isn't that much lacrosse that it ruins your whole summer.

Do you even have a kid who plays? Sounds like no. And no I have no dreams of my kids getting a college scholarship but I would rather them spending time doing something THEY WANT to do then riding in the streets doing pop a wheelies at cars.

Wow your post so borning. We know you have alot of time on your hands .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After 5-6 years of shelling out money (and making these dream sellers very comfortable), have any of you saved for the 40-50K per year you will be shelling to have your kid attend a private university (I am being optimistic that they get a 5-10K scholarship for each of 4 years)?

The answer is NO, because I know many of you.

You have been funding perhaps the most vain of all pursuits- bragging rights that your kid plays in college. It's sad on the one hand- but I would hope at some point, some of you see it as a chance for self reflection. You gave up your child's summers, so you could crow. You literally stole their childhood. You weren't helping them live their dreams- you were feeding your ego.

I hope that bumper sticker was worth it.

Aside, you will be shocked to see how many of your little studs end their college career early due to a "career ending" injury. Many of them can't wait to end it without you in sight.

Great post . Some people don’t like to hear the truth. I think lacrosse scholarships wont be around in the future. They are really not anyway with 50 kids on a college roster and only 12 full scholarships. The university's will take a big step back after the covid clears for non-revenue sports .

LOL. Did it ever occur to you that our kids want to play lacrosse? We would have no problem whatsoever if they said we don't want to play anymore. After season ends the question is do YOU want to play lacrosse next year? If so here are the tryout dates.

I'm guessing you didn't actually have any talent in sports growing up because if you did you would know there is not a whole lot of things you would rather be doing. Me and my friends spent every free minute driving town to town trying to find basketball games. Organized sports kept us out of trouble and we had coaches making sure our grades didn't slip. Went on road trips out of town that I am 100% sure wouldn't have happened with the family. Parents didn't go on the trips back then, just the team.

Who is stealing their summer? Kids sleep in until noon unless we wake them up to go to the beach which they don't want to do after around 8 years old. Are you delusional enough to think that everyone is rich and spends their summer jetting around the world on vacation in July and August? Oh I can't spend the month of July in Dubai this year !!!!!!!!!!!! Wretched lacrosse!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really nutjob? There really isn't that much lacrosse that it ruins your whole summer.

Do you even have a kid who plays? Sounds like no. And no I have no dreams of my kids getting a college scholarship but I would rather them spending time doing something THEY WANT to do then riding in the streets doing pop a wheelies at cars.

Wow your post so borning. We know you have alot of time on your hands .

Glad you spent your limited time reading it. You can go back to saving the world with every waking moment of your life now hotshot.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After 5-6 years of shelling out money (and making these dream sellers very comfortable), have any of you saved for the 40-50K per year you will be shelling to have your kid attend a private university (I am being optimistic that they get a 5-10K scholarship for each of 4 years)?

The answer is NO, because I know many of you.

You have been funding perhaps the most vain of all pursuits- bragging rights that your kid plays in college. It's sad on the one hand- but I would hope at some point, some of you see it as a chance for self reflection. You gave up your child's summers, so you could crow. You literally stole their childhood. You weren't helping them live their dreams- you were feeding your ego.

I hope that bumper sticker was worth it.

Aside, you will be shocked to see how many of your little studs end their college career early due to a "career ending" injury. Many of them can't wait to end it without you in sight.

Great post . Some people don’t like to hear the truth. I think lacrosse scholarships wont be around in the future. They are really not anyway with 50 kids on a college roster and only 12 full scholarships. The university's will take a big step back after the covid clears for non-revenue sports .

LOL. Did it ever occur to you that our kids want to play lacrosse? We would have no problem whatsoever if they said we don't want to play anymore. After season ends the question is do YOU want to play lacrosse next year? If so here are the tryout dates.

I'm guessing you didn't actually have any talent in sports growing up because if you did you would know there is not a whole lot of things you would rather be doing. Me and my friends spent every free minute driving town to town trying to find basketball games. Organized sports kept us out of trouble and we had coaches making sure our grades didn't slip. Went on road trips out of town that I am 100% sure wouldn't have happened with the family. Parents didn't go on the trips back then, just the team.

Who is stealing their summer? Kids sleep in until noon unless we wake them up to go to the beach which they don't want to do after around 8 years old. Are you delusional enough to think that everyone is rich and spends their summer jetting around the world on vacation in July and August? Oh I can't spend the month of July in Dubai this year !!!!!!!!!!!! Wretched lacrosse!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really nutjob? There really isn't that much lacrosse that it ruins your whole summer.

Do you even have a kid who plays? Sounds like no. And no I have no dreams of my kids getting a college scholarship but I would rather them spending time doing something THEY WANT to do then riding in the streets doing pop a wheelies at cars.

Wow your post so borning. We know you have alot of time on your hands .

Can you post a picture of yourself please. I've always wondered what kind of dummy writes that answer about a lot of time on your hands after they just spent equal amount of time reading a post. If I know who you are and I see you I will know to speak slowly with simple words to you.
And I found this on one of these crooks- and after you read this you will see this is meant literally-

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/Reporter/pdfs/2005/2005_30156.pdf
And then there is this.
Know who you are giving your money to.

https://www.finra.org/sites/default/files/aao_documents/03-09099-Award-FINRA-20080128.pdf
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And then there is this.
Know who you are giving your money to.

https://www.finra.org/sites/default/files/aao_documents/03-09099-Award-FINRA-20080128.pdf


Kids bailing from elevate like crazy recently as well as top guns starting to fall apart. Elevate kids need to get out before heir futures go down in flames because of this looney
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And then there is this.
Know who you are giving your money to.

https://www.finra.org/sites/default/files/aao_documents/03-09099-Award-FINRA-20080128.pdf

Are you going after team 91 and Express now?
Inappropriate- Mod please remove this and prior post.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And then there is this.
Know who you are giving your money to.

https://www.finra.org/sites/default/files/aao_documents/03-09099-Award-FINRA-20080128.pdf

What is all this????
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And I found this on one of these crooks- and after you read this you will see this is meant literally-

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/Reporter/pdfs/2005/2005_30156.pdf
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And I found this on one of these crooks- and after you read this you will see this is meant literally-

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/Reporter/pdfs/2005/2005_30156.pdf
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And I found this on one of these crooks- and after you read this you will see this is meant literally-

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/Reporter/pdfs/2005/2005_30156.pdf
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And I found this on one of these crooks- and after you read this you will see this is meant literally-

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/Reporter/pdfs/2005/2005_30156.pdf


OK- let me restate- not accusing anyone of being an actual crook. That is overstating things- but it is advisable to google search and see what is out there regarding the people you are doing business with.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And I found this on one of these crooks- and after you read this you will see this is meant literally-

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/Reporter/pdfs/2005/2005_30156.pdf
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And I found this on one of these crooks- and after you read this you will see this is meant literally-

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/Reporter/pdfs/2005/2005_30156.pdf
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And I found this on one of these crooks- and after you read this you will see this is meant literally-

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/Reporter/pdfs/2005/2005_30156.pdf
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And I found this on one of these crooks- and after you read this you will see this is meant literally-

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/Reporter/pdfs/2005/2005_30156.pdf


OK- let me restate- not accusing anyone of being an actual crook. That is overstating things- but it is advisable to google search and see what is out there regarding the people you are doing business with.
Dave Kotowski? Really??
looking at the different trending threads it reads like these coaches were all yanked from a 70s song.

drunks (TG) , tramps (YJ), and thieves (elevate)
Our director (well established and “reputable” program) charge full price for 2020 season but most trams went to one tournament, the rest went to none.

So this guy got all of his revenue for the year upfront, but then didnt have to spend a dine in tournament fees or travel.

It was the BEST year he ever had.

Former Wall Street guy. He figured out it was more profitable and easier to fleece parents than investors.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
looking at the different trending threads it reads like these coaches were all yanked from a 70s song.

drunks (TG) , tramps (YJ), and thieves (elevate)

The owners are nuts
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our director (well established and “reputable” program) charge full price for 2020 season but most trams went to one tournament, the rest went to none.

So this guy got all of his revenue for the year upfront, but then didnt have to spend a dine in tournament fees or travel.

It was the BEST year he ever had.

Former Wall Street guy. He figured out it was more profitable and easier to fleece parents than investors.

So what you're saying is you play for the crook Kotowski?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our director (well established and “reputable” program) charge full price for 2020 season but most trams went to one tournament, the rest went to none.

So this guy got all of his revenue for the year upfront, but then didnt have to spend a dine in tournament fees or travel.

It was the BEST year he ever had.

Former Wall Street guy. He figured out it was more profitable and easier to fleece parents than investors.

So what you're saying is you play for the crook Kotowski?
True blue did the same exact thing. One tournament and zero refunds or credits and in return lost a lot of their top starters at all grade levels.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our director (well established and “reputable” program) charge full price for 2020 season but most trams went to one tournament, the rest went to none.

So this guy got all of his revenue for the year upfront, but then didnt have to spend a dine in tournament fees or travel.

It was the BEST year he ever had.

Former Wall Street guy. He figured out it was more profitable and easier to fleece parents than investors.

So what you're saying is you play for the crook Kotowski?
True blue did the same exact thing. One tournament and zero refunds or credits and in return lost a lot of their top starters at all grade levels.
Most clubs did the same thing last season, "play dates". NO REFUNDS. They all claimed loss of entry fees. Clubs didn't demand refunds on tournament fees because they are all in on it. I agree best year they had. Until this year when they brought everyone back at same price and added players. The added players more then made of for their non existent losses of last year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our director (well established and “reputable” program) charge full price for 2020 season but most trams went to one tournament, the rest went to none.

So this guy got all of his revenue for the year upfront, but then didnt have to spend a dine in tournament fees or travel.

It was the BEST year he ever had.

Former Wall Street guy. He figured out it was more profitable and easier to fleece parents than investors.

So what you're saying is you play for the crook Kotowski?
True blue did the same exact thing. One tournament and zero refunds or credits and in return lost a lot of their top starters at all grade levels.

They're all crooks in their own way. He just actually broke the law. The shame is we let them get away with it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our director (well established and “reputable” program) charge full price for 2020 season but most trams went to one tournament, the rest went to none.

So this guy got all of his revenue for the year upfront, but then didnt have to spend a dine in tournament fees or travel.

It was the BEST year he ever had.

Former Wall Street guy. He figured out it was more profitable and easier to fleece parents than investors.

So what you're saying is you play for the crook Kotowski?
True blue did the same exact thing. One tournament and zero refunds or credits and in return lost a lot of their top starters at all grade levels.

They're all crooks in their own way. He just actually broke the law. The shame is we let them get away with it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our director (well established and “reputable” program) charge full price for 2020 season but most trams went to one tournament, the rest went to none.

So this guy got all of his revenue for the year upfront, but then didnt have to spend a dine in tournament fees or travel.

It was the BEST year he ever had.

Former Wall Street guy. He figured out it was more profitable and easier to fleece parents than investors.

So what you're saying is you play for the crook Kotowski?
True blue did the same exact thing. One tournament and zero refunds or credits and in return lost a lot of their top starters at all grade levels.

They're all crooks in their own way. He just actually broke the law. The shame is we let them get away with it.
True blue didn’t even do play days. They provided minimal practices with nothing in return. All The directors got richer as we all stayed like stunads because there were minimal try outs
These guy have the perfect formula. For every customer who figures it out, is pissed and leaves (many never get to that last step because they have visions of Ivy bumper stickers that they just can’t give up)....
...there is a new crop of parents starstruck by junior’s immense ability, who believe the current state of their team is holding them back.
It renews itself every spring, and the Directors never have to face the music.
Brilliant and disgusting at the same time.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These guy have the perfect formula. For every customer who figures it out, is pissed and leaves (many never get to that last step because they have visions of Ivy bumper stickers that they just can’t give up)....
...there is a new crop of parents starstruck by junior’s immense ability, who believe the current state of their team is holding them back.
It renews itself every spring, and the Directors never have to face the music.
Brilliant and disgusting at the same time.

Perfectly stated! Just wish they'd all fold now that we saw that plenty of 22's committed without all the bs tournaments.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These guy have the perfect formula. For every customer who figures it out, is pissed and leaves (many never get to that last step because they have visions of Ivy bumper stickers that they just can’t give up)....
...there is a new crop of parents starstruck by junior’s immense ability, who believe the current state of their team is holding them back.
It renews itself every spring, and the Directors never have to face the music.
Brilliant and disgusting at the same time.

Perfectly stated! Just wish they'd all fold now that we saw that plenty of 22's committed without all the bs tournaments.
Fold beginning with some of these incredibly greedy and unscrupulous girls programs.

I have seen boys and girls, and the directors at the girls score far higher on greed. From what they did summer 2020 to their “pass the hat and put in your envelope” practices now (how can they not be included in the “tuition”?!?!)

They are a special group.
I have been considering having my lawyer brother in law suit the garbage out of this guy, to get money paid (like 3,000) for a product not provided.

Waste of time?

I would even be happy to simply run up a legal bill for this guy.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have been considering having my lawyer brother in law suit the garbage out of this guy, to get money paid (like 3,000) for a product not provided.

Waste of time?

I would even be happy to simply run up a legal bill for this guy.

So go ahead and do it if it will make you feel better.

I can't believe this is still a topic. We're 11 months into this. So you got ripped off last spring/summer.....But you went right back and signed up to shell out another $3K (most likely more) for this season.

"It's immoral to let a sucker keep his money"
Maybe I am one of the rare ones, but I did not reup. With him or anyone else.
It stinks when you feel like you got ripped off, I get it, but he is right. Time to let it go. Stop with my brother is a lawyer, you lost a couple grand. You didn’t lose 10 million bucks.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It stinks when you feel like you got ripped off, I get it, but he is right. Time to let it go. Stop with my brother is a lawyer, you lost a couple grand. You didn’t lose 10 million bucks.
That's how they get away with it. A couple grand x 100 people adds up quickly. Also a couple grand to a family struggling right now IS a big deal, bigshot. I plan to file in small claims.
I went on a vacation once. The place was terrible. The restaurants were terrible. Just not a good vacation at all. 4 families. Cost a nice chunk of change. Big waste of money. The answer is we didn’t go back. We will never go back. Your not happy with a club team. Don’t go back. Good luck with your small claims court thing. Tells us in a few months how that worked out.
Resort provided a product that wasnt to your liking.

This guy didnt provide a product.

He didnt bring the girls to bad tournaments. He didnt bring them to tournaments.

Took, the money, but didnt spend it on tournaments.
Its called fraud.

I know, I know. Move on. Dont do it again. I wont but it stinks. Daughter loved playing, but I cant bring myself to pay this guy money when he basically ripped us and so many others off.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Resort provided a product that wasnt to your liking.

This guy didnt provide a product.

He didnt bring the girls to bad tournaments. He didnt bring them to tournaments.

Took, the money, but didnt spend it on tournaments.
Its called fraud.

I know, I know. Move on. Dont do it again. I wont but it stinks. Daughter loved playing, but I cant bring myself to pay this guy money when he basically ripped us and so many others off.

Try the irs anonymous report form. I’m sure he doesn’t declare all of those $40 cash envelopes. Might not amount to anything but it will keep him busy with paper work for a while.
Last year was a bust, like many people I don't think we got the value for what was paid. However I was happy with the outcome for my daughter. Her club chose not to travel for most tournaments over summer, we did play a few this Fall. There were plenty of training and practices held, with a few scrimmages. Was this worth full tuition, no but the girls still maintained their team, families were kept safe, and this year tuition was reduced by 20% for the year. Training is on-going, and I am not handing out envelopes for every nice day that the coach wants a pad his pocket to fuel whatever habits he has. Played Elevate 1 year and ran away, program is just sickening extra practice bring $40 in envelope, parents or coach try to run one on their own with a group of girls, they have to hide it or feel the wrath of Dave if he doesn't get his cut. I remember the first few extra practices were $20, then $30, then $40. This was on purpose who wants to tell their daughter no when all her friends are going. Not to mention your tuition doesn't cover anything, somehow things like a jersey aren't included.

Happy with my club, and can only hope that word spreads so thieves like Elevate don't proliferate.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last year was a bust, like many people I don't think we got the value for what was paid. However I was happy with the outcome for my daughter. Her club chose not to travel for most tournaments over summer, we did play a few this Fall. There were plenty of training and practices held, with a few scrimmages. Was this worth full tuition, no but the girls still maintained their team, families were kept safe, and this year tuition was reduced by 20% for the year. Training is on-going, and I am not handing out envelopes for every nice day that the coach wants a pad his pocket to fuel whatever habits he has. Played Elevate 1 year and ran away, program is just sickening extra practice bring $40 in envelope, parents or coach try to run one on their own with a group of girls, they have to hide it or feel the wrath of Dave if he doesn't get his cut. I remember the first few extra practices were $20, then $30, then $40. This was on purpose who wants to tell their daughter no when all her friends are going. Not to mention your tuition doesn't cover anything, somehow things like a jersey aren't included.

Happy with my club, and can only hope that word spreads so thieves like Elevate don't proliferate.

They're all the same. He's just more blunt about it and hits you over the head with most of the cost at once. Other clubs bleed you dry at a slower pace. I'm ready to give my kids coach my venmo password. Save me some time.
I second complaint about Kotowski at Elevate. You are a good coach and runs a great practice but he milks you for every penny he can get. How “extra” packages aren't included in his exorbitant tuition is mind-boggling.

He is a master marketer touting the “commitments” and plastering them all over social media- but its BS. He has very little to do with their success.

Stay away from this one. As previous posts indicate, he has been in some questionable situations in the past.

And yes- he made a small fortune last year. Pocketed FULL revenue via tuition installments, but shelled out very little.
I had an interesting conversation with Kotowski when my kid played for him. He bemoaned some of the terrible parents, how they were ruining the game he loved. And how it had gotten progressively worse.

Is it a coincidence this happened during the same time you monetized the game you love and turned it into a business that funds your life? Are they parents, or customers who speak up when the product is subpar or falsely advertised.

I am sick of this guy staking out the moral high ground, the defender of old school values. He never turns down an opportunity to add another kid to an already bloated rosyer, or to stuff his tax free extra practice envelope. Do a small bit of research to see how badly he screwed people on Wall Street (public record).
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I had an interesting conversation with Kotowski when my kid played for him. He bemoaned some of the terrible parents, how they were ruining the game he loved. And how it had gotten progressively worse.

Is it a coincidence this happened during the same time you monetized the game you love and turned it into a business that funds your life? Are they parents, or customers who speak up when the product is subpar or falsely advertised.

I am sick of this guy staking out the moral high ground, the defender of old school values. He never turns down an opportunity to add another kid to an already bloated rosyer, or to stuff his tax free extra practice envelope. Do a small bit of research to see how badly he screwed people on Wall Street (public record).


Wow! And they're letting him be an Under Amour coach? That should be fun
Its just another way to build the brand = $$$$

He ought to be careful. The whole thing could blow ip in his face.
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