It's the start of the Fall 2017/Summer 2018 season. Use this thread for your posts regarding this age group

IGLOO Lacrosse is Proud to Announce the addition of
JACK KALEY 
(Four Time NCAA D2 Championship Coach & Four Time National Coach of the Year)
2021 Igloo Avalanche Head Coach!!!


2021 Igloo Avalanche Team FREE tryout:
Date: August 16th
Time: 6pm-8pm
Location: St. Paul The Apostle Church
2534 Cedar Swamp Rd., Glen Head,

= Damage Control

But I think that ship may have sailed . . .

Don't let it leave without you going to be a good boat ride

Good for the boys who decide to stay. Not many will leave where they are now, unless they are in a situation that they aren't happy with. Question is how many good players are willing to make a move to play on basically a new team? From what I have been hearing, the better players are moving up to Black Ice, a few found homes at competing teams, and others were turned off by the email. And if only 9 were showing at practice, how many of the core of the team is gone. Most teams are looking to fill holes at this point.

Good luck to the Avalanche players who stay. I think that this is great, but AA should have done this before alienating the core part of the team.

My kid is staying

Ok, so that is one, only 21 more to go.

Are you kidding me D2 coach for Igloo? AA thinks he's god. How could this be good for the club?

Why would you spend that kind of money too be on a B team?

"B" FOR "B"eat your a team

Best players moving on. Any players who move toward Black Ice, if Avalanche folds, will be Syosset kids to keep the town crony system flowing into the high school program.

Being Depends for the new leader. I'm out. Moving on.

I hope all boys end up where they will get better and have fun playing think the ones who stay will be happy. Good Luck to ALL Boys

When was the last time the head of the organization called about your athlete and it wasn't a sales pitch?

Now you know if that organization cares or your son is just a number.

Because the Syosset HS program stinks, right?
GC in the Igloo mix now, lets see how many 2026,27,28,29,30's from GC crawl into the Igloo system. GC34 no more GC Rams rebirth? Finnell kids are property of AA and im sure big steve will be a part of a coaching staff soon enough

the Igloo and 9D1 B teams are better than many A teams out there. If you can't crack Black Ice or Blaze, where else would you go. Icon is a great option, but if you're in Suffolk, it is tough to get there. Express is a joke, and no way would I want my kid to be part of the 40 man roster and not be able to play because he isn't going to a Catholic school. Outlaws Elite is a good team, but no better than Avalanche.

Outlaws Have over 90 Kids signed up for 2021
We will Have 3 Teams
1st Tryout is Tonight Walt Whitman High School 7-9
Thanks

Whatever Avalanche WAS, it will be comprised of probably mostly new players, so you have no clue as to what they will BE. As far as comparing last season's Outlaws Select (not "Elite"!) with Avalanche, my son's team played both, and Avalanche wasn't even CLOSE to being what Outlaws Select was.

OK Oultaws Mom - I see that you are posting virtually the same thing on every board. Nice try - how much are they taking off your son's fee for [lacrosse] yourself out?

Very True

JACK KALEY to Coach 2021 Igloo Avalanche Team
(Four Time NCAA D2 Championship Coach & Four Time National Coach of the Year)
2021 Igloo Avalanche Head Coach!!!


2021 Igloo Avalanche Team FREE tryout:
Date: August 16th
Time: 6pm-8pm
Location: St. Paul The Apostle Church
2534 Cedar Swamp Rd., Glen Head,

Tide 2.0 is the way to go.

Tide is good if we need out uniforms cleaned.

For more info or any questions email: Avalancheteam2021@gmail.com

JACK KALEY to Coach 2021 Igloo Avalanche Team
(Four Time NCAA D2 Championship Coach & Four Time National Coach of the Year)
2021 Igloo Avalanche Head Coach!!!


2021 Igloo Avalanche Team FREE tryout:
Date: August 16th
Time: 6pm-8pm
Location: St. Paul The Apostle Church
2534 Cedar Swamp Rd., Glen Head,

So funny.

My son is not leaving his current team to go to this question mark. I don't see how they will draw the talent to compete with some of the better teams out there.

Wow, that says a lot. Avalanche used to be on par with the Select, Black, Elite, or whatever they want to call themselves. No wonder they broke the team up.

My kid never played for Outlaws, but their teams go like this: Select, Gold, and then Black - it's really not that hard. So, basically we have no idea which Outlaws team you were comparing them to . . .

Note how Uncle Johns Band isn't anonymous? That's because it's the Outlaws director posting. Unlike you who hide behind anonymity.

Only [lacrosse] is your negative post.....I guess and now mine.

Nice a$$ tattoo Outlaws Mom...

Outlaws changed the name each season for the past two years. Once was Black, and Silver and now Select, Gold and Black with a few changes every year in between. Avalanche used to run with what is now Select and would crush what is now Gold. Same with Ambush. All 3 were on par. But Recon ran with Avalanche early in the season and was looking for a rematch at the Blue and Gold, but AA brought the Black Ice kids to make sure that they won. So we really don't know how good or bad Avalanche was at the end.

Good to hear. I sent a few of my PAL players to it, hope they make it. Good program and well run.

Did your son produce 25 D1 players?

Please stop making things up. Avalanche never played Outlaws select. Avalanche played Outlaws Gold this year to one goal games.

You have no clue. Outlaws Gold tied Avalanche 5-5 this Summer. Also Outlaws Select never played Avalanche. I don't know first hand about the other "facts" and opinions you talk about but based on your lack of knowledge of what I mentioned already I would assume everything you say is nonsense.

Yup - there were at least 5, if not more, BI players on Avalanche when my son's team played them @ the LI Warrior Classic. It's blatantly obvious when the director's son is there on the field with his name on the back of his pinnie!

Recon can't run with any A team. You beat Express B team 4-2. Beat the Jesters by one. Lost to a couple of C teams. All those teams are teams that don't cut anyone and take any kid that signs up. Recon is a good B team but that is it. Any of the top 7 or 8 teams will beat them by ten. Had you played Avalanche again you would have lost to them.

The Avalanche has come to rest at the bottom of the mountain. Let it lie and live with it because it's too late to dig out. The cracks in the core began the year before but the organization did not heed the warning. The shouting of the false promises of a second AAA team triggered the final collapse. Keep digging Igloo and you'll find nothing, because the strength of many of those boys you left in the collapse dug themselves out and moved on. They are better and stronger for it and we other organizations know it.

The Riddler?????? Great job ...... but the abominable Snowman has arrived and it will continue

Yes the snowman has arrived but how's the climate? If you’d like to know, where your top players will go, riddle me this:

We are a motley crew of organizations that likes to go with the ebb and flow or create a surprise attack. So, when you see us riding the rails please note we are holding the world on our shoulders with the sole purpose of leaving it for the next generation. The world is ours! Who are we?

Everyone can play. (Hint: There are seven hidden gems.)

Best of luck. The new coach has an amazing record, just not right for all. Hope it turns around.

Hope your new home is good but unfortunately no stars on that team and that has been problem since day one good luck on your new "B' "A" team .....black/silver

My apologies. I was having fun with the Riddler comment. None of the organizations referenced have anything to do with the comment. Not with black silver organization or plan to be either, they had nothing to do with it. Good luck.end of conversation.

Friend of mine son tryed put for Outlaws and just told me he got call from them looking for commitment for Gold Team which is there 2nd team aren't there 2 more tryouts still ? My son was unable to make 1st tryout ? Does it pay to even go ? How can they say 3 tryouts and begin making calls ?

JACK KALEY to Coach 2021 Igloo Avalanche Team
(Four Time NCAA D2 Championship Coach & Four Time National Coach of the Year)
2021 Igloo Avalanche Head Coach!!!


2021 Igloo Avalanche Team FREE tryout:
Date: August 16th
Time: 6pm-8pm
Location: St. Paul The Apostle Church
2534 Cedar Swamp Rd., Glen Head,

For more info or any questions email: Avalancheteam2021@gmail.com

All teams lock up certain players for each team after day one of tryouts. If you paid already you should go to tryout and see what happens. You can also call the director and see what is still available. Good luck.

Pretty simple Outlaws take some kids off 1st tryout. Then they add on each tryout. Its a good system

Pays to go. Kids offered gold should still go. May still get select offer. Just bc top teamwasnt iffered doesn't mean its not a possibility. No teams closed after first tryout

My kid was at Tide tryouts today. Some good talent. Coach seerms like a great guy.

Great thank you for info

Was told today the the top Outlaws team has been already called and picked... some if you think u got shot at "A" team good luck

Outlaws suck.

Tide 2.0 was great. No nonsense and solid talent at tryout. Going to Day 2. I think it's the way to go. As with 2017 team, kids will looking to get on roster in November once word continues to get out. You have to love a word of the mouth team where 2017 kids are going to some great schools.

Igloo Avalanche ? Jack Kaley ?

Ok so lets say Igloo Avalanche is a "B" team (although it will be more like a B+ or A- with the coaching)why would i send my kid to another "B" team some where else name 1 "B" team that has a better Head Coach ? After what happened last year I have been told there will be a close eye from the organization to make sure it don't happen again. Just my thought I am keeping my kid here.

If you want your kid to play D2/D3 then stay.

Your definition of a "better head coach" may be different than many others' . . . good luck and enjoy!

The real question is why wouldn't you pick a program where your son can play on a well coached A team (of which there are many more than some would like to admit)? Why are you so hung up on chasing "shiny things"?

Let me guess your kid is playing D1 .... most kids on 2nd teams are not playing D1 anyway sorry to break the news to you

I want my kid to grow up to be a gentleman and live a successful and meaningful life. You're an idiot. My kid is staying too.

"Better" as in Hall of Fame good luck to you and enjoy

There are many DIII and DII programs that are better than some DI programs. On the flip side, there are many boys on A teams that will never get a sniff on a top D1 program. And there are boys that could play Di, yet choose better academic opportunities to play DIII, So, your correlation is flawed all around! At the end of the day, lacrosse should be secondary to the real purpose of college, but unfortunately for your son, lax is a misplaced priority.

I was simply telling the person that if you stay on a B team. Going forward you will most likely be going to tournaments that D1/D2 coaches will be at. Would I choice a school like Wesleyan, or Tuffs, over some bottom academic D1 schools. Yes

I would rather my son play a great DII or DIII program with a great education, than play a bottom tier D1 or a middle tier D1 without a good education. This is all about education, not playing pro lax after all.

Fortunately my son is in a top 20 school for academics and lax.

Emails went out stating they should continue to go to tryouts as they can be moved up to higher teams

You talking about Outlaws?

Emails for what the Outlaw "B" and "C" teams come on man there ain't many spots on "A" team probably 3 if I were to guess so you will get some kids who have improved from other teams "B" teams . it's all good as long as every kid is where they want to be and Happy but be truthful chances are if you got a "B" team spot for them you are not getting moved to "A" team as it is FULL ! And any team the forces you to give commitment before tryouts are over ...Parent Beware !!

Go to all of the tryouts. Players are made offers and take the best fit for them, so spots open up. Happened to a few players I know. Plus you can play better and earn a better spot. You can't go wrong by going to multiple tryouts.

Agreed

Igloo B+/A- is a better option than other programs A/B teams for some people. Are we coming back? Yes, Why? Because teaching my kid to raise his game, be a leader who leads by example, and demand more from his new and former teammates is more important than running to another team and being a new follower. Don't run....Work harder!!

Seize an opportunity to teach a life lesson. And if you think that Little Johnny who can't speak to a coach for 2+ years is a lock? What happens when another kid has "The Switch" moment this next year, because he is playing a Varsity level too (Which BTW is faster than any 2021 AA/AAA Game), and is a better player next year. Johnny will have a bunch of hats and shirts and wonder what happened.

Make friends with a few people that have been through the process.....It's not even about the club. It's about your kid and what makes him a better person to be a better player.

I wish all the kids the best this coming year.

Says the guy whose son will know absolutely zero about teamwork and being part of team. #ItsAllAboutMe !

Hey why don't you take a long walk of a short pier!! You must be one of those guys who jumps from team to team in hopes someone will like you #mrIamajerk

Why is everyone against Igloo Avalanche ? All the big clubs have a second team that is not treated as well as the first team and they all claim to be an A team. None of the posters care about these kids. You are just taking a shot at Igloo. My bet is most of the kids return. Most will not make an an A team and go back. With the exception of Ambush, Igloo had the best second team. Express second team is a mess. No one ever hears about Icon and Legacy second team but they both beat Outlaws Gold who have there own problems. So ranking the second teams of the big organizations Igloo is number two in a list that goes like this:

Ambush
Avalanche
(Both these are A teams)
Icon b
Legacy b
(These two are clear b teams)
Outlaws Gold
(Outlaws Gold a step behind Icon and legacy b)
Express b
(A total mess)

Nice logic there - team jumping would also be another sign of someone who has less interest in the team concept than themselves. #IWentToSchoolAndAllIGotWasNoLogic

My son's friend plays Select and they already took 4 new kids to the team, 2 definitely, maybe 3, were from other clubs, not internal. He thinks that there are still 3-4 positions they are looking to upgrade at. That is 1/3 the team if true. I say goto all the tryouts, you paid for it

Agreed. Avalanche and Ambush were the only two 2nd teams that could be considered an A team, and are better than many other 1st teams from other programs. The problem is that Avalanche took a huge step backwards this year, and will take another because kids will look to move because of the turmoil. We will see how many will be at the 9D1 tryout on Thursday. Ambush has worked because 2 of the coaches have been there from early on and have had success. They don't have the consistency to be considered up there with Blaze, Black Ice or Express A, but are in the mix with Outlaws Select and Legacy, as they have beaten both. Avalanche had issues playing Recon and Outlaws B, so it is questionable whether they could be considered an A team anymore. Maybe the new coach will help. Good competition is always a good thing, and we should look for all of these teams to do better.

Grass ALWAYS Looks GREENER On OTHER SIDE as some have said before hope all the boys end up in a place that the kids and parents are happy and truth be told you can NEVER make everyone happy

Agreed with the above statement. Its to bad that Avalanche had to fold like the way it did and now re build. These kids are in 9th grade now and they don't necessarily have time to re build. Ambush & Outlaws Select have success yes because the coaches are consistent, but more importantly so are the players. The core group from both teams stay together. That is why they are successful.

Dude...enough! Are you the same guy who wrote this and was corrected by someone else a couple of months ago? Ambush got smoked the last and only time they played Outlaws Select, which was almost 2 years ago. I think the score was 12-2 or something like that. The team you guys beat in the spring was team called mixed nuts. It had a hand full of select, some gold and some black team players.

Are you that much of a looser that you remember what a score was when these kids were in 7th grade. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

For more info or any questions email: Avalancheteam2021@gmail.com

JACK KALEY to Coach 2021 Igloo Avalanche Team 
(Four Time NCAA D2 Championship Coach & Four Time National Coach of the Year)
2021 Igloo Avalanche Head Coach!!!


2021 Igloo Avalanche Team FREE tryout:
Date: August 16th
Time: 6pm-8pm
Location: St. Paul The Apostle Church
2534 Cedar Swamp Rd., Glen Head

I did not write any of these post but I remember scores of some games especially when the other team parent comes on here year after year and keeps saying they won a game and "can run with them" when the only time they played it was a blow out. I spoke with a couple of friends of mine from Ambush and they know they never beat the Outlaws Select team and claim there is a former Ambush parent who writes these post that are not true on how good Ambush is and who they beat. Calling someone a looser makes us think you are that person. Give it a rest and get over it that your kid got cut from Ambush and they are a very good team with out your kid. Stop with the false post and name calling to start trouble for Ambush. It is getting old.

Dude, Ambush plays even with Outlaws whenever they play. That one game was during football season, and half the Ambush team wasn't there. They got smoked by Avalanche that day too. They have played each other several times and the score goes back and forth. The last time they played was when Outlaws was playing as mixed nuts, but had to pull up Gold kids to field a team, so that one doesn't count. Ambushed smoked them that time.

Anyone go to Turtles yesterday?

How were the Avalanche tryouts? Numbers?

8/16 is the supplemental. The last tryout was during National Lacrosse week, so I can't imagine that it would have been great.

You have to be the former Ambush parent starting trouble. You are not in reality and the facts are far off from the truth. The mixed nuts game in the Spring had a final score of 6-5 and the mixed nuts (who had only three Outlaws select staters) where winning most of the game. Last minute calapse with a team of 14 kids including two goalies gave Ambush the win. That is not getting smoked as you say. You probably were not even at that game. Again the only time these two teams played the outlaws were up by 10 with five minutes left when the game was called because of Ambush was taking runs at kids and swinging sticks. That is why everyone remembers the game and score so well. That dirty play does not happen every game. So the game is in everyone's memory. One more thing. Ambush will never play the Outlaws Select team because they play in different tournaments. The outlaws play in 8 tournaments that comes with the team tuition. Those are high level tournaments with no equal play time. There are Extra tournaments that has equal play time and filler players from other clubs. The turnout is usually 15 kids from outlaws different teams. Those mixed nuts teams would get beat by Outlaws Select 20-0. So enjoy your 6-5 win over a equal play time mixed nuts team. It means nothing. Having said that I do think Ambush is an A team and can beat any team out there. So if you are the former Ambush parent posting false wins stop. It is not working. Everyone knows who Ambush is and who they can and can't run with. We don't need to hear it anymore.

Funny but the Real Mixed Nutz team would have "smoked" both of those teams , That's not the real Nutz team which consist of 91 blaze , Express , Igloo kids combined.

Man you outlaw people are really angry. Maybe counseling is in order.

I would be angry too. It is like saying at the Warrior tournament a team called Sentry beat Black Ice 5-1 and keep posting it over and over again. For those who don't know Sentry just beat Avalanche who was playing with a few black ice kids some of which were starters. I can see how they are getting frustrated having to keep on reading that the team lost when they in fact did not.

8/16 is the supplemental. The last tryout was during National Lacrosse week, so I can't imagine that it would have been great. [/quot

update the interest so far for the Avalanche team has been greater then expected to this point should be a nice turnout at tryouts.

Well I must say that Ambush certainly gets a lot of press for a second team!

And Outlaws Gold beat that Sentry team.

At YounGuns Vallley Select beat Ambush and than Lost to that Same Sentry team 7-2. Outlaws Gold lost to IconB. Titans beat outlaws Gold and Recon who gave Avalanche a tough time. What does all this mean? Going back to the original post that started this by Ranking big club B teams the answer is what it should be. All the big clubs second teams which are the Outlaws Gold, titans, Icon b team, Ambush and Avalanche are all about the same talent and otherwise equal. So if your kid is looking for a good solid B team from a big club they are all about the same. Just keep away from express B who is a mess.

That Sentry team apparently had a bunch of Maryland kids guest playing with them. Not criticizing, just hard to compare.

Who cares every year that Sentry team comes to long island they send out thousands of emails looking for players that's not a team. So enough with this whole thing

That stuff happens all the time. It is very hard to compare by score but that is all we have. The bottom line is none of these second teams play in good tournaments because they would get beat by a lot and people will leave. The coaches and directors know what they are doing when they place these teams in lesser tournaments. It does result in parents thinking the team is better than they are and that is what the directors want so kids return and the have a sales pitch to get new players. Based on all the talk here and the tournaments these teams enter no one can say any of these second big club teams are any better than the next. So no reason to leave Icon B team for Ambush or Ambush to leave for another team or any other player thinking to change to any other second team. They are all the same.

There are plenty of players on both the B teams of the larger programs as well as the A teams of the programs right below those that will all go on to play very high levels of lacrosse. The continued dismissive attitude about anyone who is not a 'blue chip' lacrosse player is arrogant and dumb. The same can be said of the teams/clubs in general that are the just below the top teams. Enough already! Of the boys that go on to play college lacrosse, at D1, 2 or 3, they represent the top ~13% of lacrosse players in the country!

No post I saw down graded any big club B team. Of course those kids can play in college. The discussion was which are the best second teams of the big clubs. The results are clear they are all the same. If your kid made multiple big club second teams pick one based on location, number of practices. Coaching and tournaments entered etc. The one thing that does not matter is talent because all the second teams have the same talent.

Agreed and this is why Avalanche looks so appealing Igloo has a set practice schedule there own fields and a great coach see you on the 16th. Pdvvmz

Fair enough, but here's where I disagree - the statement that "none of these second teams play in good tournaments" is my issue. The inference is that these teams play in "bad" tournaments. The sooner that the lacrosse community can embrace the fact that a club/team/player not being among the elite is not tantamount to being the dredges of the sport, the better it will be for all. Tournaments that are geared for the teams that are the next tier below the elite teams - let's call the the elite teams AA - are still very good lacrosse, and these tournaments/clubs/teams/players would all rightfully be called A. Yet, the lacrosse community basically wants to treat any teams below the elite, plus maybe one or two more, as B. That is not a logical categorization of talent, and hampers the sport and it's growth. Youth minor hockey would be better model for lacrosse, which, for travel/club lacrosse, would best largely mimic the AAA, AA, and A levels. But the bottom lines is that, like with youth hockey, and particularly in a locale like LI or MD (and soon, many other locales), you would not see such a small number of teams at AAA. I get it - the elite teams like their little 'private 'club', and they don't want anyone else intruding on it, but that doesn't make it right. The fact is that under the current lax 'system', their 'private club' is really the AA designation, not the A designation, so they really shouldn't be so against more teams being appropriately designated A. And, FTR, this has zero to do with an "everyone deserves a trophy" mentality; it has everything to do with how to organize/govern a large scale youth sport so that everyone gets the most out of it. To get back to the specific earlier point about tournaments, with a proper categorization, tournaments as whole, as well as divisions within, would be better serving the teams that participate.

I can think of other teams that offer a set practice schedule, have basically unfettered access to a fieldturf field, and will cost about 50% of what Igloo charges. We can argue about whether the Avalanche coach is still great and/or right for these aged kids . . .

Could you please name one in Nassau...thks cause not sure many are as organized but if you can help I would appreciate it...thks

I have checked several other organizations websites and none seem to lay out the schedule as igloo does . That is important to me I have 3 other kids

Most clubs do not post their schedules for practice on their sites - I wouldn't go by that. Lots of orgs use other sites (EG, SI Play) that you have to log in to see info about your team. At the end of the day, you will have to contact programs about their practice schedules, and even within one org, you may find that different grade teams are more or less formal about that than others.

How strong a player is your son, and what position does he play? Where in Nassau are you? Are you looking to have all 4 of your boys in the same org? I might have an option for you depending upon your answers.

IGLOO Avalanche is the way to go have nothing to loss by going to tryout

The interest in Igloo Avalanche team has been Great Thank You to ALL who have reached out already. If you have any question feel free to email us at avalancheteam2021@gmail.com

Igloo n AA r really trying to sell a pile of crap. This is great

You sound silly ..... your right its gonna be great !!!!!

You sound silly ..... your right its gonna be great !!!!!

Any topics other than Avalanche or Ambush? If not, please shut this thread down. Gonna be a long year.

Tide 2.0 is the way to go.

Could you please name one in Nassau...thks cause not sure many are as organized but if you can help I would appreciate it...thks[/quote]

I think that Recon is a great option. Good coaches and a great value. They go to really good tournaments and play against good teams. They are a true B team that competes.

I think that Recon is a great option. Good coaches and a great value. They go to really good tournaments and play against good teams. They are a true B team that competes. [/quote]

Teams should be designated AA, A, and B - Recon would be considered a weaker A team under this system.

Did calls go out ?

TRYOUTS THIS WEDNESDAY

For more info or any questions email: Avalancheteam2021@gmail.com

JACK KALEY to Coach 2021 Igloo Avalanche Team 
(Four Time NCAA D2 Championship Coach & Four Time National Coach of the Year)
2021 Igloo Avalanche Head Coach!!!


2021 Igloo Avalanche Team FREE tryout:
Date: August 16th
Time: 6pm-8pm
Location: St. Paul The Apostle Church
2534 Cedar Swamp Rd., Glen Head

Avalanche best players have left and have paid deposits with other teams. The few that are coming back did not make the top 7 or 8 teams. It will be very interesting to see how good this team is given that people always claim that if all the best Long Island kids who got cut from the top 8 teams got together and all went to one team they would form a top team. This is what Avalanche will be. Mostly kids who did not make any good teams. My bet is they will be a decent team but not a top 10.

If your son wants to learn how to become a better lacrosse player and a better man plus be on a good team Avalanche is the way to go . Jack has the nack for taking a bunch of good players and making into great teams . Not saying Avalanche will be a great team but they will be competitive and some where in top 10 with Jack coaching . At Tech he took all that nobody wanted and turned into great teams matter of fact 4 national championship teams along with many other great years.

If your son wants to learn how to become a better lacrosse player and a better man plus be on a good team Avalanche is the way to go . Jack has the nack for taking a bunch of good players and making into great teams . Not saying Avalanche will be a great team but they will be competitive and some where in top 10 with Jack coaching . At Tech he took all that nobody wanted and turned into great teams matter of fact 4 national championship teams along with many other great years.

Teams should be designated AA, A, and B - Recon would be considered a weaker A team under this system. [/quote]

Actually - AA was started because B teams are not a draw so B teams are now A teams and C teams are B teams. So Recon under the old way is an avg B team.

Actually - AA was started because B teams are not a draw so B teams are now A teams and C teams are B teams. So Recon under the old way is an avg B team.
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That makes no sense - AA is a subset of A, being the elite of the A Teams. There still logically have to be non AA teams that are A - figure there are maybe 20 teams on LI that are A, and the rest are B (arguing B vs C is just stupid).

I agree there is no such thing of AA. It is A , B and C. There may be 7 or 8 teams on Long Island that are A. Ten B teams. The rest are C or developmental. The lists we see on here with the top 8 teams are the A teams. The B teams are the Big clubs B teams except for Ambush who is either the top B team out there or the worst A team. We will find out this year as we are hearing they will be for the first time entering A tournaments. Along with the Big clubs B teams which are about 5 teams (Titans, Outlaws Gold, Icon B, Avalanche and Possibly Ambush if they are not A) the other top B teams that arguably could be A are the teams on the level of the top True Blue and Empire teams. Recon is also on a B level. Possibly a few more equals about ten B teams. The rest are C and/or developmental.




That makes no sense - AA is a subset of A, being the elite of the A Teams. There still logically have to be non AA teams that are A - figure there are maybe 20 teams on LI that are A, and the rest are B (arguing B vs C is just stupid).[/quote]

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That's laughable - there are numerous A teams of non 'top' programs that play with or flat out beat top programs' B teams . . . Additionally, the distribution you allude to, at least for a place like Like Island (or MD) is not a proper way to assess teams . . .

It is amazing to read some of this stuff. Cannot believe these are parents of high school players arguing about whether it should be called AA, A, B or C teams. You sound like the parents of 3rd graders. Collectively your brain sizes and mental capacity would equate to the size of a pea.

this whole conversation is ridiculous. It used to be A B and C. then it was AA, A, and B. Now some people want AAA, AA, and A like hockey. Why dont we all call ourselves AAAA+ and be proud. All the kids will get a trophy and be superheroes.Its just that some superheroes are better than others. Superman is better than aquaman.
Any way you cut it, there are 3 to four levels and you can call them what you like there is still a tiered system. If you dont see Blaze or black ice at your tournaments your not there. If you play against a program's second teams, even if you win, you arent at the top level. if you were you would be seeing their top teams.In the end it doesnt matter. If your son is playing competitive games and is in the proper tournaments enjoy the summer. If you think your son can play at a better level try out for a different club and see where he gets placed, Nobody is going to get a living off of this game, and if you could your kid would likely already be at a premier team

Tide 2.0 is almost full. I heard that there are 2021 spots open. Team is going to be the real deal.

How do you know tide will be the real deal?

Your comments demonstrate your inability to understand that lacrosse is an immature sport relative to one like hockey, that is mature. The tiering in hockey is superior in that the teams and the tournaments are appropriate - navigating the season and planning on what tournaments to play is easier and is the reason why the levels of play at most tourneys are at parity: very few games in hockey tourneys result in blowouts. Lax, on the other hand, can have one team both blowout competitors in some games, and get blown out by others, all in the same tourney. I've seen tourneys where this is the story for entire brackets - not just one team. It is a symptom of the need for better tiering (along with age-based governance for all pre-HS levels), and your A, B, and C approach to tiering does not provide that. You and others are fighting to keep an archaic system in place simply because it is the status quo and/or you don't want anyone else in your private 'club'. Either way, it is hurting the growth of the sport, and demonstrates a very myopic viewpoint. This has nothing to do with trophies!

What teams did the boys come from ?

There are A, B and C teams. No AA teams. Be realistic and live with it. For 2021..... No club has two A teams. It is rare and almost almost impossible to achieve in any age group. No small club has an A team. All big clubs second teams are B teams. Very few small clubs have B teams and like I said none are A. Most are C teams. If you disagree with this you have never had your kid compete in a true A tournament. You would see the difference. We get it. Your coach and directors are telling you your team is A or B and no team is a C team. Be realistic. If your team most of the time is in brackets and you are playing big clubs B teams than your team is either B or C. If your kids team enters any tournaments and play in the B bracket or second best bracket that is called A and you don't almost always win the championships then you are B or C. Also just because a bracket is Called A or AA does not mean it is. Most brackets or divisions are B. The problem is not the A,B and C system or the parents and teams wanting there own exclusive group the problem is the parents who can't be realistic and need to be told how great the team is. Enter a true A tournament and see what happens. After that post the results here.

I just don't understand how they could compete. Unless there are some crazy good players out there who haven't been at the other tryouts that we haven't seen yet, or players are leaving the other top teams, this team may be good, but real deal? My kid is on a great B team, and I wouldn't take the chance of him moving over.

Just got an email from Sting Lacrosse. Who are they and what is their deal?

Your argument is entirely dependent upon where you choose to arbitrarily draw the line - it is akin to saying that the only "true" D1 college teams are those that get into the playoffs. The reality is that, as in all sports, the distribution of talent is larger than that - yes there are the elite teams and players, but you sell short anyone directly below the elite level by labeling them as ordinary, which is in effect what you are doing. To stick with the college analogy and lacrosse, the D1 lacrosse universe generally represents the best 3% of all players (let's leave out the fact that there are some elite D1-capable lax SAs that choose to attend D2 or D3 schools for academic reasons and/or that some of these D3 teams can play at almost as high a level as decent D1 teams) - that's the entirety of D1 players, not just the top 10 teams. For college lax in aggregate, all players in D1, 2, AND 3 represent the top ~12% of all players. In that Long Island is still putting a disproportionate number of players into the college ranks (and, yes, LI is not the only locale doing so), it stands to reason that their general talent level is higher than that of even a normal distribution for the sport as a whole. The bottom line is that the top lacrosse teams on LI are the elite, but the elite do not comprise the entirety of top tier lacrosse.

I get tired of all this AA, A, B, etc, stuff as well, but there is a point to it.

There are only 15-20 teams in the country that probably deserve to be called "AA" teams. All very athletic, fast, highly skilled, big, older and they can really move the ball to attack the backside. You don't have to be ashamed if your son's team is on age, not everyone's hit puberty or not everyone has the athleticism to play in college. You can have a solid "A" team of kids who are going to be strong JV or even varsity players over the next 4 years, who are learning and getting better and having fun, who are winning non-elite tournaments and who need to improve on swinging the ball around to get hockey assists or always nailing the 3rd slide. That A team is going to lose 8-2 against a AA team on a good day (and at least make the AA team break a sweat) or 15-2 on a bad day, but that's OK.

Likewise, there are tons of B teams around the country that can't compete with solid A teams on the scoreboard, but who are getting good coaching and the kids have been improving much more over the last few years than they would have had just playing rec league or will sitting on the bench of a non-hotbed varsity team.

It makes a lot of sense to understand where a team stands and for that team to go to the best tournaments to challenge themselves to get better, and not necessarily get slaughtered by higher-level teams or, in turn, slaughter lower-level teams. Maybe a mix of some "stretch" tournaments and some winnable tournaments. My kid's team had 17 competitive tournament games this Summer and 4 blowouts (in either direction, and even blowouts are good for teaching kids to be good sports, play in a different position or be able to show your kids how a higher level team moves the ball in the air, etc.)

Tide 2017 was a great team. Same philosophy same coaches for 2021. Kids from express, fl$, igloo and other programs jumping to Tide. Why would anyone spend thousands of dollars for programs that are not helping your kids get better? Remember the program names are on the helmet and uniform. It's about them not about your kid. It's about marketing and dollars. They could care less about your kid. At Tide, you wear your high school helmet. That's what the college coaches want to see. This may come as a shock but many college coaches don't trust the clubs - a club coach will lie to a college coach with no fallout. They will always get kids to sign up and pay the freight. If a high school coach lies about a kid's ability he or she is done. A college coach won't be back to that high school to recruit. Also freshman year in high school is a big turnover year in clubs- what a kid did in grades 2-8 may no longer be that relevant -- growth, speed, and strength begin to kick in at age 14.

My kid is in a very good D1 school right now, 3 other kids from long island are on team with him. all 4 of them where on B team with express in 8th grade.

Thank you Tide Owner for that pitch!

Thank you - it's like the AA teams are protecting their country club or polo club from anyone getting near it. They totally don't get it!

First of all Tide is a non profit club, I say it because tide and Kevin, was the best thing that happened for my boy. Build his confidence, played a lot, fun group of kids and parents.
Please just stay on your B team. You sound like a little [lacrosse].

Not Tide owner. It is easy to dismiss or mock people when they tell you what you don't want to hear. Or you have drank so much club kool aid that you think its real and your kid is going to get recruited because he plays for one of the other clubs? Dude get real and think about you kid - not about what club you can tell your friends he or she plays for.

This is a very good post. Know who your kids is, find the club/team that matches that while providing a challenge for him. All the rest is politics and marketing/hype.

That was my point - a proper tiering system would make all of that easier, both from the club and parent/player's perspective!

then dont tier the teams they change every year. Tier the tournaments

You can't have one without the other - it's up to a club/coach to accurately tier his team. But you do need tourneys to be tiered properly to allow an honest/realistic coach to know what tourneys are appropriate.

TONIGHT ALL WALK UPS ARE WELCOME !!!!

For more info or any questions email: Avalancheteam2021@gmail.com

JACK KALEY to Coach 2021 Igloo Avalanche Team
(Four Time NCAA D2 Championship Coach & Four Time National Coach of the Year)
2021 Igloo Avalanche Head Coach!!!


2021 Igloo Avalanche Team FREE tryout:
Date: August 16th
Time: 6pm-8pm
Location: St. Paul The Apostle Church
2534 Cedar Swamp Rd., Glen Head

Hahahahahahahahah what a joke

Is this the answer to why Tide will be good winning team this year? As you stated in a prior post Tide has been gone for a while so you may need an update. You claim Tide was great long ago. No reason not to believe you. Since then FL and gee has not had a good team, The 2021 Nassau team kept all the best players and Suffolk was a C team. Everyone makes Express top team who complains enough and the B team is really a C team and you took no players from Igloos top team. Most likely you have a bunch of B and C level players. That is fine but don't come on here stating how good the team will be and base it on taking players from these programs. Doing that may lead people to think you don't know what you are talking about which is a reflection of the club.

The biggest joke is that you still can't comprehend what the "Quote" button is for, and no one but you knows what you are talking about . . .

Non-profit does not mean people don't get paid.

I'm going to check out this Ambush team. If there are so many haters, they must be a good option.

Stop trying to cause trouble.

Trust be Tide will have a big number of D1 commits

Please name the Top recruiting Tournaments the Tide will be in
Fall and summer

They are a great option for entering B tournaments.

Hearing not much @ the Avalanche tryout tonight...

Not much what ??? There was plenty of kids and some good talent well be a nice team but more importantly will be well coached and the kids that want to be there will..... by the way don't believe everything you hear....lesson #1 in life see you in the fall pal

Unimpressed was the term used. 25 to 30 boys, handful of Igloo helmets. I trust the judgment of the source. Maybe we'll see you in the fall, maybe we won't. Fall is football season! ;-)

Sorry every kid is not as good as your little guy ... glad you trust the judgement of others he is probably the same guy who agrees with everything you say .... maybe we will see you in the fall on the football field .....let me guess oh forget it not even worth the time ...please just move on to your new home remember the grass is not always greener elsewhere....good luck

If this is true then this means only a few kids returned to the team and only has 30 kids to choose from. I would think most of the kids are using Igloo as a safety net in case they don't make a team or already need a safety net. It is doubtful anyone is going there by choice. The igloo parents I spoke with are saying the same thing a lot of kids and talent was there. Maybe they need to read from a new script since word is getting out that is not true.

My kid didn't even want to go. He spoke to his friends that are on good teams, and none of them were going. Been on the same team since 3rd grade. Good coaches, all his friends are there, and they have success. I think this will be a good B team, and I wish Avalanche luck.

LOL

Tide Fall Schedule
Sunday, November 5 - Showcase
Lax Invitational, Baltimore

Sunday, November 12 - Showcase
3d in fl$, Delaware

Saturday, November 18 - Showcase
Fall Classic, Farmingdale, LI

Not sure how this is a surprise - first the club formally disbands the team, then they reconstitute it. Players reacted to the first message and sought other options. Between the experience from last season and the totally mixed message by Igloo, even with bringing in a renowned coach, Igloo was fighting an uphill battle from the beginning. Throw in the late tryouts, and we are we are, but none of it is surprising given the details.

Outlaws have tryouts Mon. Any positions on select or gold still.
Thanks

Igloo also screwed up the other ages 2nd teams as well. Not looking good for AA.

Nope all kids on select have been notified ....

Not according to PB's email today. Positions open on all teams

All 2nd Round e Mails have gone out.

If assignd a Team, please accept before deadline.

Contact us for extension if needed

Our 3rd Round will start Monday.

All Info at lioutlawslax.com

SPOTS are still available on all teams.

If your son has not been assigned yet we encourage him to attend

Can Contact us for any specifics, or questions

Thanks

Outside of the elite teams at every age, there is a lot of competition now - the clubs and parents may not like it, but for every boy not on the top 3 or 4 club teams, there are a lot of programs where they can get fairly equal or better experience and development than they do playing on those top clubs' second teams, and in many cases for a lot less money and commitment. I know a lot of boys like my son that play at the level just below the top teams that love the game and want to get better. But, they play three sports and they don't want 3+ tournaments in the fall, they don't 4+ tournaments in the spring - they're good with 1 in the fall and the 5 - 6 they play in spring summer after school ball is done. They'll do lax winter workouts in addition to school wrestling or basketball, but they do it knowing that if there is a conflict or if they are worn down, they will take a week or two off and the coach is good with that. And many of these boys will play college lacrosse, but some may opt to play other sports in college - my son's preference now is to play football at the college level, but he likely will have a choice when he is junior. College lax coaches openly say they prefer multi sport SAs, but the top clubs seem to push an "all lax" mentality, even if some say otherwise.

9D1 had a decent turnout, much lower than last weeks. Not many Igloo helmets for 2021, so I don't think the Avalanche kids are planning on landing there unless they wore their town helmets. I don't see a third team coming out of this age group based on this tryout. Seems like most of the Blaze kids stayed home, knowing that they made the team.

Blaze AA
Ambush B
No third team

Gone for a while?? It was a 2017 team. They graduated in 2017.

When you can't keep the ball in the air for more than 2 or 3 passes, you aren't working with a lot of talent. Heard there was one middie standout - already in an Igloo helmet - not much beyond him.

Ambush is a solid A team.

They have been avoiding solid A teams for a while. Keep telling yourself that.avoided outlaws, express and igloo all last season

Ambush parents have been told they will play the top Long Island teams this year. Made some changes last year as did the teams you mentioned. For this upcoming season all teams have made changes. So this past seasons performance does not count. It is a new season. Ambush we play the top teams this year and run with them all and prove they are a AA team.

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Ambush is going to jump to being an AA team? Really?!

Ambush players were seen all over trying out for other teams. About ten were at Express tryouts and many trying out for the Greyhounds/Titans. It is not likely any of the Ambush kids could make the top six teams. But if there is a chance for movement those would be the two teams they could make. Greyhounds are the easiest team to make in the top Six and Express takes almost everyone B level and above for the top team. So no matter what you read here on how strong Ambush is and how they are all happy they are realistic on the lower level of talent this team really has showing up at tryouts for teams they have the best chance to make in the top six. Let's see how many players return next year. History tells us this team has a lot of turnover.



Ambush is going to jump to being an AA team? Really?! [/quote]

Guys lets stop this AA and A nonsense it does not justify anything! The now "A" teams are B teams, just be real!!! It will help your kid in the long run...

How does one avoid other teams? Do the coaches call each other and ask where they're going to play or do they each independently sign up for tournaments? In the big tournaments the organization wouldn't let Ambush in the highest bracket because Blaze was playing there. That's not the coach avoiding anyone. That being said I am pretty sure that the same thing will happen this year. Ambush is a solid team who unfortunately plays for the same club as one of the top teams in the country.

I would like to see everyone's top 10 for this age group:

1 - DC Express
2 - Crabs
3 - 91 Blaze
4 - Black Ice
5 - Primetime
6 - Laxachusettes Black
7 - Madlax
8 - True
9 - Eclipse
10 - LI Express

I will take the kids with the most hold backs.

you can call up any tournament and ask who is playing in each division. If you want the t-shirt you go where the weaker teams play.its pretty simple. Ambush = B level tournaments/website photos

This age group as you put it has None of the top teams except Iglloo. This list is 2021 some teams have 17 year olds. For 2021 it is the wrong order but correct teams but missing NH Tomahawks who destroyed most of these teams. But remember igloo and and a few of the Long Island teams not on this list are are top for this age group. Igloo is the only team on this list who don't have any players born before September 1 ,2003.

None of the teams listed have 17 year olds. For NY the cut off is 12/1/02 right? Most of Igloo's impact players should be 2020s by NY standards. Express and 9D1 are as young, if not younger, on average than Igloo. Please stop stating Igloo and a "few other" LI teams are top for this age group; that is simply not true. If Igloo is so legit, why did they play with a 2020 on their team for four years? And how about them playing this past summer with young man that just finished 9th grade......

I have never seen a phone number for a tournament anywhere. That doesn't mean it isn't true. Hmm

There are teams on this list that are not from New [lacrosse]. So New [lacrosse] rules don't apply. Eclipse has 16 year olds. They admitted it at the Nxt Philadelphia Show case. Edge who is not on the list did have 17 year olds so it does happen. True which is a National team has at least 16 year olds according to parents. Crabs advertise that they are legit because all the kids were born in 2001 and 2002. Express has at least one double holdback. So does 9d1. All these teams have older kids. As for Igloo trust me I am not an Igloo fan but I know the team very well. All kids were born after Sept 1 2003. They would all be legit 2021 in most states. They are the only age appropriate team on this list like it or not. All the other teams have 15 and 16 year olds. One last thing I never thought I would be defending Igloo. But the truth is the truth. The list is a 2021 list not this "age group".

None of the ambush Made the greyhounds one made titans

Just to add to something this age group should be and are kids that were born AFTER 9-1-02. Igloo is the only team on this list that qualifies for this age group. Primetime was awful until they added hold backs. Laxachusettes and mad lax has had older kids from the start. These three teams also have at least some 15 year olds. It is also true that NH Tomahawks would beat most of the teams on this list. They are almost all 16 year olds with all 2021 grads. Team Carolina should be on the list beacuse they beat a bunch of teams on the list too. These lists mean nothing now and as one post said before the team with the most hold backs will be the better ones for now. Let's see where these teams are in two years when the teams that have to rely on developing talent grow up and play these older teams when they are all the same size.

NY rules apply to NY teams like Igloo, Express, 91, etc. My statement stands. Igloo has more hold backs (by NY standards) then any team on LI. Edge is not on the original list, so you saying they have 17 year olds adds nothing to your initial statement. Again, Igloo had a 9th grader on their team this summer. Was he born after 9/01/02? Is he repeating 9th grade or planning on doing a post graduate year? Igloo has been gaming the system since the inception of their program. If you are not associated with their program, stop sticking up for them because you are misinformed. If you are associated with their program, realize that they are probably trying to replace your son by recruiting a player from Pennsylvania, California or Texas.

Leg is very weak at 2021.their world series team was a product of the so called age requirements

One Ambush kid tried out. Just to have a backup plan. He didn't put a lot of effort into it. Fact.

oh that kid was trying and his dad had Pom Poms
very funny scene, he looked ok till they put there real D on him.

Wow. A kid goes to a tryout and does not try. That is more of an embasmement had he tried and not made it. Now we know why Ambush is a B team. Top ten Long Island teams don't have players that don't try all the time.

Ambush is a top 5 Long Island team. Period. It's tough being good. Everybody trying to bring us down. #HateUsCauseTheyAintUs. We know who we are.

If true we will never know because Ambush coach puts them in b tournaments. If the coach does not believe they are an A team capable of playing in A tournaments why should we? I have seen Ambush. All b level players with a great coach. That does not make you an A team and certainatly not better than the current number six team legacy.

A lot of funny people on here living vicariously through their kids! Was it one kid who's dad had ppm poms or a whole bunch? Get your story straight. Ambush is a solid team. Not awesome but solid. There weren't too many real defensemen there. Maybe one who could play for Ambush.

Top 5 for 2022.

Ssuddh

At least you have options pick what B team you want to play for.

It depends on where he lives. If east pick the Titens. If he lives more west he should pick Ambush.

Punctuation is your friend . . . !

LOL - thanks for that good laugh to start off my week!

Nice use of a double negative there - way to make everyone read that sentence three times to make sure that they got what you were getting at . . .

Ambush has several players who didn't see much playing time in the games that counted. They are no longer playing based on time, but on hard work and ability. The fact is several kids are leaving because they want to see the field, and they didn't this past season. Ambush has a solid first line mid, d and attack, and an awesome goalie. It is the second lines that hurt them at mid and attack. They get that fixed and they are a true A team. Not AA, that is only reserved to Black Ice and Blaze at this point. If Ambush can play Outlaws Select and Express, then they can earn being called an A team.

Please, what is an A tournament? They were in the B bracket for NLF, and lost, so that does support your theory. But please tell me of these A tournaments that you speak of?

The strength of that team is definitely their defense. They are mean,range kids who are very hard to beat one on one. I will even say they may be better at stopping the ball than Blaze. Where they come up short is in their stick skills. While solid the Blaze kids are better clearing the ball. The midfielders are solid with one or two being very good ( Blaze wants the best one)but there is a size and strength issue further down the depth chart. It's definitely tough to defend a 16 year old from Maryland. The attack is solid on the first line without having a major dodging threat. The offense is a bit stagnant and lacks imagination. If they pick up a dodging attacks who can feed from x and a couple of physically mature midfielders they could very well make some noise. Will They? That remains to be seen.

Your description, give or take, could be applied to any one of 5 - 6 teams below the AA level . . .

True! There are only so many highly skilled physically mature kids at this age. In a year or two those smaller weaker kids will mature and it will probably even out. Until then it's the top two Long Island teams and everyone else.

Agreed on all of the above points. They're goalie is really good too.

Time to end this.
You are not in A tournaments if you have not played these teams or been at the same tournament multiple times on or off Long Island. Laxachusetts Black, NH Tomahawks, True National, Eclipse top team, Mad Dog National, Team Carolina, Crabs, 3d Colorado, Hawks, DC Express, API top team,ADVNC, Mad lax, Sons, FCA, Primetime,Leading Edge, MD Rough riders,, Messa, Resolute, BBL top team,Freedom, LB3, and Seattle stars. I'm sure I am missing some so no disrespect to those I missed. This is off the top of my head. These are all A teams. If you have never seen these teams you are at weaker tournaments. It is hard to avoid these teams if you are going to strong tournaments because they all go to top tournaments and sometimes Lesser B plus tournaments and play a lot. Don't mix up playing these teams B teams either. Who is the Best team Ambush played last year? Who is the best team Ambush was in the same division but did not play? If you played any of these teams top teams what was the score? Your coach is avoiding the tournaments these teams are at for a reason. It is not a coincidence that Ambush ALWAYS Misses tournaments these teams are at. Ambush plays B tournaments. Even if they beat an A team once or twice it does not make them A when they beat true blue By one and lost to other teams listed here that Avalanche was able to beat. Ask your director to get in tournaments these teams are at. Blaze is not at every top tournament so stop with that excuse that ambush can't play against Blaze. If you are playing GC 34 multiple times those are weak tournaments because GC admits they go to weaker tournaments. Until Ambush plays in at least B plus tournaments we can't consider them to be an A or top team.

The teams you've listed are the best of the best - they are the elite. They are NOT all that is A. It's like saying the only good football teams and players in the NFL are those 4 that get to the NFC and AFC championships.

Ambush beat BBL top team in the fall, played Laxachussets Black and Mesa, Leading Edge, Eclipse and Primetime. The only time that they got bumped to the B bracket was the NLF. So by definition, they are then an A team.

Ambush Played GC34 once this past year at the NYLA tournament, you make it sound like they have seen them multiple times.

None of the aboves were their A teams.keep telling yourself that

This has got to be the Ambush coach planting all of this chatter in order to woo some studs. Well played sir!

What tournament did you play these teams? They do have b teams. What was the scores of those games? Bbl fall team not the same as Summer team.

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Ambush beat BBL top team in the fall, played Laxachussets Black and Mesa, Leading Edge, Eclipse and Primetime. The only time that they got bumped to the B bracket was the NLF. So by definition, they are then an A team. [/quote]

Didn't Play Primetime or Eclipse.........

Ambush played Eclipse's B (single A) team and lost by 1 at NLF summer championship.

Just curious, where does GC34 state they only play in weak tournaments? Can you direct me there please. Thanks

For crying out loud. Enough already. 🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄 Does does anyone besides Ambush see these purple unicorns cause the sky definitely ain't blue in their world.

Ambush never played any of these teams. The point was if you don't always see these teams at most of your tournaments you are not going to A tournaments. You may have played them at one tournament but the rest of the tournaments are b. And yes Ambush lost to the B teams of the organizations mentioned. Not the A. I'm sure the B team felt like the A team to them but they were the B teams.

Ambush is in a class of their own. Mediocre talent in B tournaments. Orange club should be embarrassed to have them advertising their name

Ambush defense is better than Blaze defense at stopping the ball? How can you say that? Now we know you Ambush parents have no clue. Your defensemen were cut by everyone in the top six including Blaze. Blaze has a top defense. Wow. Get a reality check.

This is getting out of hand. Ambush is a "B" team with B talent. There should be no more discussion about this. Reading these post Ambush parents keep claiming they played organizations top team or have "run with" top teams and we find out that in fact they never played any top organizations A team but only played their B team or played some watered down version of a team and lost or won by one goal. B teams are pumped up by directors and coaches so they stay with the team. Ambush parents want to believe the team is A so much they convinced themselves they in some ways are better than blaze. Ambush defense has never played top teams. Same with offense and goalie. Many players look like superstars against B teams get moved to the A team and fail. No Ambush player can compete with the blaze starters and most of the blaze team. It is bad enough Ambush parents think they are an A team but now saying they are in any way better than blaze shows how little they know. This season play someone and beat someone. After that shut up. You are as annoying here as you are at practice. Everyone is tired of it.

If you look back on the previous thread from the summer they posted they never claim to be an A level team. However, apparently the director doesn't think so either as he pulled his son and is playing for igloo now. Now that he pulled his son, watch everyone run to other clubs.

Yes. Also they entered the B bracket at Lax and Fest where the A bracket were all B teams. GC clearly not looking to play any A teams or be in in A tournaments.

Who really cares about any of this nonsense? Be glad that your kids are healthy enough to play lacrosse! They could have some debilitating disease but they don't. Put it into perspective these ate pretty insignificant issues in the big scheme of things!

There is no way an Ambush parent said that the defense is better than the Blaze D. 2 of the best D came down from Blaze because they wanted to play more than they were at Blaze. Most of these posts are from former Ambush parents trying to cause trouble. Enough already. The only way that Ambush should be considered an A team is because they beat the Legacy teams, both A and B. Until they then Beat or play a close game with Outlaws Select, Express and some of the other teams, they are the best B team out there. Blaze is the A, Ambush is the B. End of story.

We want to believe these are not Ambush parents posting but I know a few of the parents and talking to them I hear very similar statements. The way I see it last year is just that. Let's see what happens this coming Fall and Summer. Of course Fall means very little because of football and soccer. From what I'm hearing Express, Igloo, Outlaws and Blaze added some players and all teams had addition by subtraction. Hearing Icon took a step backwards. Legacy stayed the same with no big gains. Who knows what the bigger clubs B teams did with changes. Maybe a couple will jump to A level teams. The point is all these posts are all talk including this one. In a couple of months we will have an idea of what is going on but again Fall ball will not tell us all we need to know. So let's move forward and stop talking about last year. Good luck to all the teams.

Some of those Ambush parents who sound like those on this board are no longer Ambush parents. There was some addition and subtraction. We will see what they can do this spring.

Surprisingly once they get into HS they will walk all over you HS school teams, but hey, you can always call them a B team when you look at the 20-3 scoreboard

This is a weak Garden City year so let's see what happens when they are seniors. But you may be correct. Time will tell.

Which Igloo team? Black Ice or Avalanche?

A younger Igloo team I think. I did not write that post but I think the point is if the owner does not think GC 34 is good enough for his kid why should the program be good enough for other Garden City kids.

You mean the GC HS Coach

Whether GC plays in A, B or no tournaments at all I think their program will be just fine. Enjoy your moment in the sun beating them with your club team in elementary school. Just as the past 50 years they'll get the last laugh in HS for the most part with an occasional class B loss to Manhasset or blue moon loss to RVC or Lynbrook. Suck it.

I don't see anyone criticizing Garden City. Calling a b team b is not something to get offended by. It will be interestingly to see what happens starting the 2021 year. Catholic schools have increased class size. This will hurt the lax power house schools as it seems like everyone got into the top schools. Also remember the powerhouse programs of the past may not be as successful in the next few years. In the past the powerhouse schools attracted all the schools top athletes and did not loose athletes to baseball and other sports. Starting around 2021 or 2022 many not known lacrosse schools started attracting the best athletes for lax. Also other schools have increased the budget for for lax and are getting better coaching because they now attract the best athletes. So with many more schools attracting the best athletes and putting money to better coacing the gap is closing. Also the powerhouse schools in the past would have kids playing since third or fourth grade and play mostly schools who most of the kids started in middle school. Now and probably starting the 2021 graduating year everyone is starting in second or third grade. So that 50 years of dominance you speak of is for reasons and advantages that no longer exist. The proof is the Garden City 2019 and older kids can always play with the AA kids or teams. Not the case in 2021 where the best kids from GC form a b team. Everyone is starting to catch up for the above reasons. All this makes sense unless you think just because your kid plays for GC he is the best. We know that can't be true.

HC will win the County and contend for the island. Plenty of GC kids go to private every year, and guess what, they're still going to dismantle your sons high school team and make you look like a D team.

All I know is that gc beat ambush 2x and outlaws. They cannot compete with the top 4 igloo 91 icon and express A but can with all others

Ambush Beat GC in the fall, and GC beat Ambush at the NYLA. That is the only time the two teams played in the past year. Stop making stuff up.

GC never played the Outlaws Select.

All being said they will smoke your kids high school team. And that's the only time it counts

You win. You will never understand if that is what you think. Good luck.

Chaminade in coming freshman class is STACKED. Wonder if GC will play them?

Did anybody see "Youth Sports INC. " with Bryant Gumble on HBO? It was an excellent piece about youth travel sports. You think Express and Igloo are expensive? HA!!

Don't get this GC dad started again.

New year same story, Chaminade freshman class is stacked. Every freshman class is one of the best in the country, yet your varsity team not ranked in top 25$

A team could be stacked and not be in the top 25 in the country. Chaminade Freshman class would beat GC freshman 20-3 and make the GC team look like a D team.

<yawn> Could you two take this convo over to the Chaminade board or create a new GC-Chaminade board...? You both need to get over yourselves!

Chaminade incoming freshman class is average at best . People who payed the right club and politics prevail. True or false . They may become great players because of the Chaminade culture .

Their freshman team the last 4 years has been incredible. All the kids are from a variety of clubs. The best play (PERIOD).

When you realize that politics affect pro sports and D1 sports, you will also realize that no level below that is immune to politics, so that includes Chaminade. Don't think it happens at those elite levels?? Just find the overpriced 'star' that is still starting even after putting up average or worse numbers. Teams have investments in players - be it money, recruiting, training, etc. Those factors can all override the base concept that the "best play", and it happens all of the time. Any assumption other than that is naive.

Agreed, except your son doesn't play for Chaminade, so you'll be looking at that Trojan shellacking now won't you! Face it, club means nothing! There are no records, once it's done it's done, HS on the other hand has history, and you're Prince Charming will be on the wrong side of it! Hahahaha

Their freshman team the last 4 years has been incredible. All the kids are from a variety of clubs. The best play (PERIOD).[/quote]

Nothing could be further from the truth. You must be new to Chaminade. Politics plays a monster role there. You better start kissing some major a$$ if you want your kid to play. Everything at Chaminade revolves around politics. Good luck...

I hear freshman class if st Anthony's and kellenberg are very string as well

Moving forward to Chaminade and St. Anthony's Varsity. They are beat routinely by the better publics. Keep spending that money, while my public boy is committed to Ivy. Sucker!

Your religion isn't allowed into those High Schools. Sucker

Nothing could be further from the truth. You must be new to Chaminade. Politics plays a monster role there. You better start kissing some major a$$ if you want your kid to play. Everything at Chaminade revolves around politics. Good luck...
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Based on your statement I am assuming your son goes to or went to Chaminade. Therefore, you kissed some major [lacrosse]! Congratulations

Did you ask Darien when they beat Chaminade freshman team . Chaminade takes average players and makes them better .

Did you really just say "your religion isn't allowed...Sucker"? Way to prove publicly what an absolute anti-Semitic loser that you clearly are. It's so simple folks, athleticism beats money. Put the best athletes on one team (regardless whether its public or private) and they will win. Period.

Looks like crabs is going to be the best squad in the nation this coming season

Sounds right. MD > LI.

[quote=Anonymous]Sounds right. MD > LI.

MD has never been able to compete with Long Island when all players are the same age. Crabs brag about being the correct age because they have only kids born in 2001 and 2002 and they make up the 2021 Crabs team. Those ages would place those kids on Long Island 2019 and 2020 teams. Most MD 2021 teams are similar older age being made up of kids born in 2001 and 2002. The World Series exposes how weak MD is when they are not playing with older kids. It is fine that MD plays with older kids because it is within the rules in grade based tournaments. But then to say MD is better than Long Island when MD teams are older is just ridiculous.

What are the best tournaments this fall?

The Crabs should be the best because their whole team in full of re-classed kids. Total sham...

Crabs can't beat DC Express

yeah and that player was terrible. He was asked not to come back. As well as the other two that were trying out for other teams.

Learn how to use the quote button . . .!

aren't they embarrassed!!!!!!

aren't they embarrassed!!!!!![/quote


No, the Crabs aren't embarrassed. That is the problem, they have no shame. 15, 16 year olds playing 14 year olds and they actually have the gall to say they are the best. Unfortunately for them, early recruiting is over. My 16 year old is a senior in high school. Their 16 year old is a 9th grader. Whaaaaat? LOL. Only time will tell what happens in the long run, but I for one believe their time is running out.

The Crabs, Looney, etc - they're all the same...

I think Looneys are legit age. The rest of the Maryland teams are not.

Its been done twice

Anyone know what's going on with the legacee Titans?

Hahahahah That's funny. You really have no idea??

You are really off base., There are no 16 year old kids on Crabs 2021 team. You just seem like a troll who wants to stir crap up. Your 16 year old is a senior in high school? That I call pure BS. But if it makes you happy just keep trolling, have at it.

The 2021 Crabs have players with July 01 birth dates. How old does that make them? Lol. Really sad actually. The holdback plague is so bad that other Maryland teams and coaches think the Crab organization is a joke. Deny all you want but the truth is the truth. BTW, there are plenty of LI kids who are still 16 as they begin their senior year of high school.

Crabs coach responded to a blog that all 2021 kids on the team were born in 2001 and 2002. Stop denying it. Your coach already admitted it. Also the reason you find it so hard to believe that 16 year olds could be seniors in high school on Long Island is because the Crabs 16 year olds are freshman. But it is true. There are 16 year old seniors on Long Island. It just shows how pathetic the Crabs are even if all the kids were born in 2002 and not both 2001 and 2002 like your coach already admitted.

My older boy turned 16 in HS as well very common on LI

A 'true' on-age 2021 on Long Island right now is 14!

There you go again.
, spouting off inaccurate information. Seems there is no end to your journey.

It is true ask your coach. Crabs put out a video and interviewed two or three kids from the 2021 team and the comments were many accusing those kids of being born in 2000. They did look like 17 year olds. Your coach gave an honest answer that those kids do look old but were born in 2001. He went on to say all kids on the Crabs were born in 2001 and 2002. I am just repeating what he said. Personally I'm fine with it becouse if the Crabs sent 13 and 14 year olds to play the top LI teams the Crabs would be loosing at Half time 10-0. So now they have an older team with 16 and 15 year olds and can compete with the Long Island 13 and 14 year olds. It is more fun for us to loose a close one to older kids and win every so often then it is to destroy the Crabs every time. Don't forget Crabs were too old to play in the World Series with a May 1, 2002 cut off and the Crabs added older reclassed kids since that time. That's why you are for the first time ever claiming to be the best. You added older kids. You know it. We all know it. Be proud not embarrassed because you may be the best finally. But also be honest.

Hey Crabbie daddy, go crawl back to your Mid Atlantic board. Ain't it time to change your 16 year old's diaper. He starts 9th grade tomorrow.Congrats!

Once or twice a year like to go slumming in the NY slum tread. Change diaper. Just shows how immature you are, go get your GED, make your son and wife proud. [lacrosse], you may be able to get a cleaning job, you know, bathrooms. Your son is doing what! Isn't that illegal. Doesn't reform school also start tomorrow. Too bad your little boy has had to repeat twice, poor classroom performance. Boo hoo, too bad.

Someone from Maryland is making these comments about Long Island?? You obviously don't know much about Long Island! I'd say your comments pretty much are a case study in "projection".

Very familiar with Long Island, thus the appropriate/on point comments. "Projection"? Seriously? Really don't think so. Good night.

So far the best post of the year.

Wow, what a response. You must be really impressed with yourself. I am pretty sure no one else is. You came on this board and made idiotic comments; and I quote, "crabs is going to be the best squad in the nation", thus you got an appropriate response. What I really should have said is, "Congrats, your 16 year old son is starting 9th grade for the second time." Who is the immature one, the parents with a son who will graduate high school at 17 or the parents who will have held their son back and then had him repeat a grade, thus creating a 19 year high school senior? Oh yeah, and before you say to play in the MIAA the student must be 19 after.........blah, blah, blah, there is always another post- graduate prep school for your chosen one. Just realize that your son may have been a beast (I'll give you that) on the field from 13-16, while playing down, but he will be average at 18. Wait for it. It is coming and it won't be pleasant.
Like I said, go crawl back to your Mid Atlantic board.

Wow, what a response. You must be really impressed with yourself. I am pretty sure no one else is. You came on this board and made idiotic comments; and I quote, "crabs is going to be the best squad in the nation", thus you got an appropriate response. What I really should have said is, "Congrats, your 16 year old son is starting 9th grade for the second time." Who is the immature one, the parents with a son who will graduate high school at 17 or the parents who will have held their son back and then had him repeat a grade, thus creating a 19 year high school senior? Oh yeah, and before you say to play in the MIAA the student must be 19 after.........blah, blah, blah, there is always another post- graduate prep school for your chosen one. Just realize that your son may have been a beast (I'll give you that) on the field from 13-16, while playing down, but he will be average at 18. Wait for it. It is coming and it won't be pleasant.
Like I said, go crawl back to your Mid Atlantic board.

Another great post.

[/quote]Hey Crabbie daddy, go crawl back to your Mid Atlantic board. Ain't it time to change your 16 year old's diaper. He starts 9th grade tomorrow.Congrats!
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Once or twice a year like to go slumming in the NY slum tread. Change diaper. Just shows how immature you are, go get your GED, make your son and wife proud. [lacrosse], you may be able to get a cleaning job, you know, bathrooms. Your son is doing what! Isn't that illegal. Doesn't reform school also start tomorrow. Too bad your little boy has had to repeat twice, poor classroom performance. Boo hoo, too bad.[/quote]

Someone from Maryland is making these comments about Long Island?? You obviously don't know much about Long Island! I'd say your comments pretty much are a case study in "projection". [/quote]
Very familiar with Long Island, thus the appropriate/on point comments. "Projection"? Seriously? Really don't think so. Good night.[/quote]

I guess they don't tech logic or reasoning where you came from. Considering most parents from NY grew up when NYS was the top 1 or 2 public education system in the US, with Long Island being way above the NYS average (!), i fail to see how you can even casually support your statement. Even if you took current public school rankings, I would still surmise that Long Island schools separated out from NYS as a whole are higher up than MD, so I stand by my projection statement and supported it as well! Thanks for playing asshat! Now run along and drop off your 19 year old senior his school lunch he left at home this morning.

Once or twice a year like to go slumming in the NY slum tread. Change diaper. Just shows how immature you are, go get your GED, make your son and wife proud. [lacrosse], you may be able to get a cleaning job, you know, bathrooms. Your son is doing what! Isn't that illegal. Doesn't reform school also start tomorrow. Too bad your little boy has had to repeat twice, poor classroom performance. Boo hoo, too bad.[/quote]

Someone from Maryland is making these comments about Long Island?? You obviously don't know much about Long Island! I'd say your comments pretty much are a case study in "projection". [/quote]
Very familiar with Long Island, thus the appropriate/on point comments. "Projection"? Seriously? Really don't think so. Good night.[/quote]

I guess they don't tech logic or reasoning where you came from. Considering most parents from NY grew up when NYS was the top 1 or 2 public education system in the US, with Long Island being way above the NYS average (!), i fail to see how you can even casually support your statement. Even if you took current public school rankings, I would still surmise that Long Island schools separated out from NYS as a whole are higher up than MD, so I stand by my projection statement and supported it as well! Thanks for playing asshat! Now run along and drop off your 19 year old senior his school lunch he left at home this morning.[/quote]

You still refuse to get your GED. Pathetic. I'm from Pa., which has much stronger public schools than either NYS as a whole or LI individually. No one wants to play asshat or anything else with you. Too bad your senior son has a 7th grade reading level, but that's how it is in NY.

PA??? - LOL! What rankings did you have to dig up to find PA anywhere above fair to middling??! USN has PA @ 22! And, for the record, I'd put my education up against yours any day of the week, and twice on Sunday! Not that I would normally go there, but since you seem to be a real piece of work, here's a hint: unless you graduated from one of the top 40 schools in the country, you don't even come close!

He is wearing my Harvard tie. Oh sure, like he went to Harvard.

Once or twice a year like to go slumming in the NY slum tread. Change diaper. Just shows how immature you are, go get your GED, make your son and wife proud. [lacrosse], you may be able to get a cleaning job, you know, bathrooms. Your son is doing what! Isn't that illegal. Doesn't reform school also start tomorrow. Too bad your little boy has had to repeat twice, poor classroom performance. Boo hoo, too bad.[/quote]

Someone from Maryland is making these comments about Long Island?? You obviously don't know much about Long Island! I'd say your comments pretty much are a case study in "projection". [/quote]
Very familiar with Long Island, thus the appropriate/on point comments. "Projection"? Seriously? Really don't think so. Good night.[/quote]

I guess they don't tech logic or reasoning where you came from. Considering most parents from NY grew up when NYS was the top 1 or 2 public education system in the US, with Long Island being way above the NYS average (!), i fail to see how you can even casually support your statement. Even if you took current public school rankings, I would still surmise that Long Island schools separated out from NYS as a whole are higher up than MD, so I stand by my projection statement and supported it as well! Thanks for playing asshat! Now run along and drop off your 19 year old senior his school lunch he left at home this morning.[/quote]

You still refuse to get your GED. Pathetic. I'm from Pa., which has much stronger public schools than either NYS as a whole or LI individually. No one wants to play asshat or anything else with you. Too bad your senior son has a 7th grade reading level, but that's how it is in NY.[/quote]

You are arguing with multiple people. Obviously, you are the one with the 7th grade reading level because you can't figure that out. So you went to school in PA, your son is a 16 year old who stopped growing last year and is a 2021 who plays for Crab Natiiiiioooooonnnnnn! The only question is does he go to Boys Latin or Landon? By the way, I think you used up all your 2 max per year slumming attempts on the LI board.

Another brilliant post. The Long Island guy is much smarter than this other guy based on the responses. Also anyone who thinks MA or PA Schools compare to Long Island schools has got to be an idiot.

You can't compare the public schools in PA and MD to Long Island schools. Long Island has one of the top school systems in the United States.

Just turned on the news and am watching what is going on with the hurricane. Time to stop this stuff at least for now and hope everyone gets out of this with little to no destruction. Those who disagree with this has major problems.

even the worst private school is better than the best public school. if you have ever gone and seen one you would know. if you can afford private its a no brainer. public schools everywhere broken. public school supporters are just people who don't have money for private.

Dear Crabs fan: Trying to ease your way out of the discussion without a total loss. It's not working. This is a lacrosse board, not a discussion about class warfare. Spending all that money at Boys Latin won't help your son recover from the damage you may have already done by not allowing to him compete against kids his own age (or older) and face and overcome adversity by himself. Learn to fail, pick himself up, and train to become better both physically and mentall so that next time he succeeds. All you have shown him is if things don't initially go his way, daddy will fix it for him by holding him back or re-classing. Someday soon he will have to make his own decisions, face difficult days that don't have an easy fix and all you have taught him through lacrosse is how to game the system and gain an unfair advantage. That works in the short term
but not in the long run. If this doesn't apply to you then I apologize.

Just to end this, I hope nothing but the best for you and your kid. Obviously people will continue argue on the topics of holdbacks, re-classes, public vs privates etc. but no one is changing anyone's mind. Long Island out.

If there is any is any interest, there is a new True Blue 2021 team that will be based out of the north shore of Nassau County - my son is playing with the team, and they look to have a solid core of boys already signed up, but looking to fill a couple middie and pole spots. Team seems to be looking to be competitive at the A level - expecting that True Blue may have a supplemental try out for the team, but in the interim, there is a practice this Sunday at Centre Island from 4 - 5:30. If you have interest in your son coming down on Sunday, you can call or text 516-974-3148.

Completely false, and people who actually SPEND that money to send their kids to private schools (like I do) know that. Sounds like you are just someone who wishes they had the means to send their kids private and are frustrated by the shortcomings of their public school system.

As a point of reference, I have three kids, two of whom attend private, one who attends public (not in LI, PA or MD, but in CT) and the one who attends public was accepted at a very competitive private school but chose to decline because of overall fit for him as a student.

Granted, many public schools are facing problems, but there are quite a few that rival even top private schools.

The only reason this is lacrosse related is because the private schools allow 2 year reclass for students. Many kids go to private school to take advantage of that. Otherwise this subject has nothing to do with lacrosse. But you are correct. There are public Schools that are as good as private schools. NOT putting any schools down here but long Island has great schools. There are parents making over 25 million a year that use the public schools. It has nothing to do with being able to afford it. There are communities on Long Island that pay over 100k a year in property and school taxes. I would bet the average school and property tax on Long Island is around 25k. Teachers are making well over 100k a year. So the pay scale is on par or better than private schools. Tenure is a problem in the public schools but nothing is perfect. When the National list comes out for best public schools in the nation Long Island has so many schools in the top 100. We are spoiled here with our schools because there are schools in the top 100 list that I would never send my kid to but when compared to the rest of the country it is a top 100 school. Long Island schools also compete with the top 100 schools on lists that includes private schools. People sent kids to public or private schools for many reasons. At the end It is hard to say any kid would have done better in life if they attend one or the other on long island. I understand based on what I read in many states the public schools are terrible and you have to send a kid to private but anyone who knows anything on the subject knows Long Island is not one of those places.

Which is all to say that Mr PA doesn't know jack sh*t about Long Island!!

Many of the private schools on Long Island benefit from well to do families that live in towns that have diverse ( both financially and ethnically) communities. Like Huntington, Bay Shore,Amityville, Bellport etc. These towns have areas near the water that are absolutely beautiful and areas that are absolute ghettos.
The education may be a little bit better but not enough to warrant a kid from CSH,Garden City,Syosset, Smithtown etc to deal with the commute and extra expense and hassle.

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why is suffolk lax so much better than nassau lax in this grade?

You must have had a great party at your house today ...silly boy

Anybody got any info on Box lacrosse for this age group?

This post must be from a person who does not live on Long Island and is starting trouble. Go away. No one cares which County is better in lacrosse. We just know that Long Island develops the best lacrosse players by far.

Yeah. But why are all the good ones in this grade from Suffolk?

can't compare public vs private. you can debate if the pvt tuition is worth it but substantially superior across the board

Sorry. We don't care if the best are from Nassau or Suffolk. Again Nassau and Suffolk have the best players in the world.

Even though not a true sample, and will open a debate, but Nassau won the LI Lax showcase for this age group. My son played on Suffolk, but no doubt Nassau out played them.

And some of the better kids from Suffolk didn't even go to the showcase, so not sure how even it was. Some of the kids that made it from Suffolk didn't belong there.

maverick invites are out

My Son has Joined Igloo Avalanche. 2021. It seems that there was an exit with a few returns.The supp tryout had a good turn out. Not sure about the talent
I am curious to see how they develop as a team. i understand they had a few injuries last year and were playing short. And some parent coaching issues. Hence new coaching staff. Personally I rather have an old timer

I do not know how the avalanche did last summer. Anybody have those figures. And did they play good competition.

The Money all these cash cows are within range or close. But all of us are in the same boat. Are you going to stop paying. Yes when your son is finished playing LOL


For 2021 Igloo Avalanche team what draws me in is they always seem to put out a team that everyone wants to beat.

All about the coaches. Let see how that bring the new group along

First practice Sunday My son is pumped.

I am happy for him

Who knows how they would have done IF they didn't have Black Ice players filling in for them last season - not sure you can gauge . . .? Also, not sure anyone is gunning for Avalanche - Igloo hangs their hat on Black Ice, which is deserved as they are probably the best team on LI for their age. If you are being drawn to Avalanche for what you claim, you may be disappointed. Unless they have talent that wasn't at tryouts, person I know who was there wasn't impressed - couple solid players, but nothing else to wrote home about.

Last year they tied the Oitlaws B team. They were clearly a B team even with Black Ice kids added to the team. Their best players from last year either left or are not playing travel anymore. From what is being said they took a major step backwards from last year. Expect them to be a C or B minus team this year playing the weaker teams.

If you are happy for him and don't mind footing the bill then don't worry about the rest. A, B, C team who cares, they are only kids once so let them enjoy it.

The Tide team is the best bargain out there,

So how was the 1st practice got 2 great coaches I am sure it went well

The team is already losing players that are having second thoughts about playing with them...

Hope it works out for the kids. My bet is the Black Ice kids will fill in at tournaments to field a team. The question is who will play more the Avalanche or Black Ice kids?

What team is losing players?

Igloo Avalanche

your a trouble maker go back in your HOLE S.D. !!! LOSER

Stating facts is being a trouble maker? I am not affiliated with now nor ever have been with the team or club, but I personally know what I posted to be true. Ignoring what is happening will not change the facts . . .

The practice went well. Coaching is solid.
Not aware of any people leaving
It seemed there was a full team.
Plus 2 goalies.
To early to tell on team chemistry.
Substituting players from Ice.
Would not be fair to the kids.
Unless we were short handed for an event To me short handed would be not having 2 full lines of defense or middy

Think about B team is there room for improvement. And at this age there still getting hair on the B_lls.

And if they scrimmage Black Ice it always good to play the best

Athletes and good coaching. It just a matter of time

Not knowing facts and making a statement is being a trouble maker GO BACK IN YOUR HOLE ..... S.D.

"not aware" doesn't mean it isn't happening (or already happened!) - I know one player by name that is leaving and he said there was at least one other player leaving (and they both weren't at the practice). Reasoning given was that the team was weaker than than they were comfortable with/accustomed to playing with. Doesn't mean that's a bad thing - seems to indicate that your "B team" comment is more in line with what they have. The problem will be if that is NOT the expectations (realistic or nor) of others on the team. Repeat: there is nothing wrong with playing on a B level team. BTW, 6 poles is too many unless you play the entire game in your own end! Same rationale with A! Most teams optimally look for 9 M, 5 D, 5 A and 2 G (unless you're Express, and then you just double most of these numbers!); you can add in 1 more M for LPM and 1 of your poles should also be able to play LPM.

Agreed on the whole premise. This is a B team. One of my son's friends was really excited to make it. He is a great athlete and raw talent, and this will be perfect for him. They will do well, and play B tournaments outside of the area for the most part.

I disagree with the 5 poles and 5 attack. You need 6 and 6 in case anyone gets hurt. I have seen it before where teams show up with 3 poles because two kids were hurt and when one of the poles has a penalty you're handing a pole to a middie. Rotate on time, there are 3-4 games in a tournament.

Maybe it's because my sons' teams have never had any injuries at either position, but all of their teams have had only 5 at both positions and in both cases the 5th D and A see very little time. Also, the LPM(s) on their teams have always been able to play D, and at least 1 or 2 M could play A if needed. I stand by the 21 - 22 roster being optimal.

If they are good at evaluating talent, they would rotate the 2 lines of defense and attack. The first line will usually see more playing time than the second. My son's team just lost 2 attack because and 2 mids because they weren't happy with their playing time. The team picked up better players and I can see playing time being pretty even between the lines now. When you play 4 games in a row, having the subs is really good. I guess it depends on how deep the team is and what the philosophy of the coach is.

Forgive me on the B team I was going off the old system

With the Travel Teams new ranking system AA, A

We would be an A team

And we will do just fine

See you all at the Blalant Fall Jam

AA is not its own tier! It's a subset of A, comprised of the best/elite teams in A. Any system where there are only a single digit number of teams in a tier is just f'in dumb. With that in mind, Avalanche is probably B+ at best.

everybody is going by the AA A ranking system. Avalanche is a B team

A tier system with only a handful of teams in the top tier on LI is beyond dumb - keep perpetuating dumb, though!

Not at all. Black Ice, Blaze, Express and ICON are in a class by themselves. Outlaws, Legacy, Express North, Empire, Ambush are the next tier. Everyone else falls to the third tier. When teams like this are grouped together they are competitive. When they play up or down, there is a huge difference in the scores. So whether you want to call it A B C D or AA A B C is irrelevant.

Not SD - wth?? I have names of the kids leaving and they are facts - keep on denying, though!

Let's repeat this for the dense: there is no argument about the top teams being good if not great. That still doesn't justify not categorizing teh next level teams down as still being in the a top tier. It's kind of like saying that the only top 2 teams in a pro sports championship are worthy of being called professional level.

ICON??? Where are they from never even heard of them

If you haven't heard of ICON, then you have no clue of who the best teams are at this age group. They used to be one of the top three, but lost some key players. They are Garden City and Rockville Centre kids, well coached, and played together since they were in 1st or 2nd grade. They took a huge step back last year. I think some of the kids went to Express because of the Catholic School connection.

that's funny aren't some of the best kids on that team from Franklin Square?

Yes one of the best coaching staffs around

One team that you have in the second tier has played a couple of the teams in the first tier close. That's why the AA system does not work. The top two teams in tier two can be grouped with tier one which are the A teams. They can and have played close games with top tier teams but also get blown out too. The others are B adding a few teams you did not mention. The rest are C. Also One team you mention in the top tier is more like the old Wild Katz or Saints teams. Some great players but they their main team is a different team. You can't be a top tier team not having a lot of practice or play only a few tournaments because they have to work their schedule around other teams or else they can't field a team. It will be interesting to see this season because from what I am hearing a couple of teams in your second tier replaced some original kids that were hurting them a lot with some good players. Let's see what happens in the fall. This may be the year some teams move up and some move down.

I'm surprised at the movement this year. It seems that many of the teams upgraded at some key positions, but some teams also lost key players to the top tier teams. My son's team replaced 5 key spots, and lost one of their best players to the AA team. I can tell you some of the players that they didn't want back were good players, but either had attitude issues or just couldn't work well with the other players. I really couldn't tell you where we will be this year until we see them in some tournaments. It should be a fun year.

This is all True. There is at least one second tier team that should be in the first tier that at times played one or two goal games against the top tier but also once or twice got blown out. Here is something no one has considered. The top 4 teams are older with hold backs and many late 2002 or early 2003 birth dates. Some of these younger teams kids in the tier two will start to grow over the next year. By summer the size and speed advantage of the top teams may be less especially with that one team that we all know who on occasion has played some of the top 4 to close games. So fall will show us the immediate impact of the roster changes but we may have to wait until summer to see the improvement when these younger kids enter the next 10 month growth spurt that the top tier team kids have already had since they are older.

Don't think icon took any steps backwards yes they lost a top kid but really gain some size. They did beat the express pretty good which is the team the one kid went to. Overall a real top team they have about the top def in grade 2-3 top attackman solid mids and goalie and the best coaches in age group.

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A tier system with only a handful of teams in the top tier on LI is beyond dumb - keep perpetuating dumb, though! [/quote]

Not at all. Black Ice, Blaze, Express and ICON are in a class by themselves. Outlaws, Legacy, Express North, Empire, Ambush are the next tier. Everyone else falls to the third tier. When teams like this are grouped together they are competitive. When they play up or down, there is a huge difference in the scores. So whether you want to call it A B C D or AA A B C is irrelevant. [/quote]

One team that you have in the second tier has played a couple of the teams in the first tier close. That's why the AA system does not work. The top two teams in tier two can be grouped with tier one which are the A teams. They can and have played close games with top tier teams but also get blown out too. The others are B adding a few teams you did not mention. The rest are C. Also One team you mention in the top tier is more like the old Wild Katz or Saints teams. Some great players but they their main team is a different team. You can't be a top tier team not having a lot of practice or play only a few tournaments because they have to work their schedule around other teams or else they can't field a team. It will be interesting to see this season because from what I am hearing a couple of teams in your second tier replaced some original kids that were hurting them a lot with some good players. Let's see what happens in the fall. This may be the year some teams move up and some move down.
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I'm surprised at the movement this year. It seems that many of the teams upgraded at some key positions, but some teams also lost key players to the top tier teams. My son's team replaced 5 key spots, and lost one of their best players to the AA team. I can tell you some of the players that they didn't want back were good players, but either had attitude issues or just couldn't work well with the other players. I really couldn't tell you where we will be this year until we see them in some tournaments. It should be a fun year. [/quote]

This is all True. There is at least one second tier team that should be in the first tier that at times played one or two goal games against the top tier but also once or twice got blown out. Here is something no one has considered. The top 4 teams are older with hold backs and many late 2002 or early 2003 birth dates. Some of these younger teams kids in the tier two will start to grow over the next year. By summer the size and speed advantage of the top teams may be less especially with that one team that we all know who on occasion has played some of the top 4 to close games. So fall will show us the immediate impact of the roster changes but we may have to wait until summer to see the improvement when these younger kids enter the next 10 month growth spurt that the top tier team kids have already had since they are older.[/quote]

Which again points out the idiocy of only considering a handful of teams as being in the top tier (not the bext of the top tier!).

Not at all. Black Ice, Blaze, Express and ICON are in a class by themselves. Outlaws, Legacy, Express North, Empire, Ambush are the next tier. Everyone else falls to the third tier. When teams like this are grouped together they are competitive. When they play up or down, there is a huge difference in the scores. So whether you want to call it A B C D or AA A B C is irrelevant. [/quote]

One team that you have in the second tier has played a couple of the teams in the first tier close. That's why the AA system does not work. The top two teams in tier two can be grouped with tier one which are the A teams. They can and have played close games with top tier teams but also get blown out too. The others are B adding a few teams you did not mention. The rest are C. Also One team you mention in the top tier is more like the old Wild Katz or Saints teams. Some great players but they their main team is a different team. You can't be a top tier team not having a lot of practice or play only a few tournaments because they have to work their schedule around other teams or else they can't field a team. It will be interesting to see this season because from what I am hearing a couple of teams in your second tier replaced some original kids that were hurting them a lot with some good players. Let's see what happens in the fall. This may be the year some teams move up and some move down.
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I'm surprised at the movement this year. It seems that many of the teams upgraded at some key positions, but some teams also lost key players to the top tier teams. My son's team replaced 5 key spots, and lost one of their best players to the AA team. I can tell you some of the players that they didn't want back were good players, but either had attitude issues or just couldn't work well with the other players. I really couldn't tell you where we will be this year until we see them in some tournaments. It should be a fun year. [/quote]

This is all True. There is at least one second tier team that should be in the first tier that at times played one or two goal games against the top tier but also once or twice got blown out. Here is something no one has considered. The top 4 teams are older with hold backs and many late 2002 or early 2003 birth dates. Some of these younger teams kids in the tier two will start to grow over the next year. By summer the size and speed advantage of the top teams may be less especially with that one team that we all know who on occasion has played some of the top 4 to close games. So fall will show us the immediate impact of the roster changes but we may have to wait until summer to see the improvement when these younger kids enter the next 10 month growth spurt that the top tier team kids have already had since they are older.[/quote]

What team are you referencing when you state, "especially with that one team that we all know"? Also, how can you say the "top 4" teams are older? Multiple impact players from these teams have summer 2003 birthdays. And I am sure you know that every kid matures at a different rate. Out of the "top 4", I believe Igloo and 91 played each other and Express and Icon only played each other once this past summer. I may be missing some match ups.

Icon lost 3 kids to Express last yearF

One team that you have in the second tier has played a couple of the teams in the first tier close. That's why the AA system does not work. The top two teams in tier two can be grouped with tier one which are the A teams. They can and have played close games with top tier teams but also get blown out too. The others are B adding a few teams you did not mention. The rest are C. Also One team you mention in the top tier is more like the old Wild Katz or Saints teams. Some great players but they their main team is a different team. You can't be a top tier team not having a lot of practice or play only a few tournaments because they have to work their schedule around other teams or else they can't field a team. It will be interesting to see this season because from what I am hearing a couple of teams in your second tier replaced some original kids that were hurting them a lot with some good players. Let's see what happens in the fall. This may be the year some teams move up and some move down.
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I'm surprised at the movement this year. It seems that many of the teams upgraded at some key positions, but some teams also lost key players to the top tier teams. My son's team replaced 5 key spots, and lost one of their best players to the AA team. I can tell you some of the players that they didn't want back were good players, but either had attitude issues or just couldn't work well with the other players. I really couldn't tell you where we will be this year until we see them in some tournaments. It should be a fun year. [/quote]

This is all True. There is at least one second tier team that should be in the first tier that at times played one or two goal games against the top tier but also once or twice got blown out. Here is something no one has considered. The top 4 teams are older with hold backs and many late 2002 or early 2003 birth dates. Some of these younger teams kids in the tier two will start to grow over the next year. By summer the size and speed advantage of the top teams may be less especially with that one team that we all know who on occasion has played some of the top 4 to close games. So fall will show us the immediate impact of the roster changes but we may have to wait until summer to see the improvement when these younger kids enter the next 10 month growth spurt that the top tier team kids have already had since they are older.[/quote]

Which again points out the idiocy of only considering a handful of teams as being in the top tier (not the bext of the top tier!).[/quote]

One question for you......did Taz catch up to Crush this year? I don't think any of the "second tier" teams will catch up to the "top 4".

we will see what happens. It is hard to make a statement that no one will catch up without seeing the changes each team made and how the kids have matured. Crush is not nearly as dominant as they once were and I think we can all agree no 2021 team was at the Crush level at this age. Since teams in 2020 are playing crush closer in 9th and soon to be 10th grade it is not a reach to say some of the top 4 may be beat this year by number 5 or 6.

Are we talking LI or national now? The only teams that competed with Crush are non LI teams loaded with should be 2019s. The previous poster alleged the top 4 LI teams are older then the so called second tier teams, therefore the Crush vs Taz analogy is appropriate. 91, Igloo and Express (when healthy) are not losing to any other Li teams. I may be proven wrong but I doubt it. Guess it would be better for LI lax if there was more parity. Again, unless there are 20 Miles Jones waiting in the wings somewhere undiscovered, it ain't happening.

And then went on to beat them. I was only aware of 2 that left and one doesn't get much playing time at Express. If there is a third who left I can't imagine he gets much playing time either.

Icon didn't take a hit from their departure at all.

Who is saying icon is not as good as they were? Most teams loose kids then the kids are replaced. No one is saying the top teams are getting worse. The argument is that some of the teams people say are numbers 5 or 6 got much better by player upgrades and returning kids finally hitting puberty. These second tier teams will improve just by catching up in physical development alone over the next year. The top 4 teams have more kids that have already hit puberty and may be almost done in physical development compared to the next set of ranked teams. That will even out soon enough. Will it be enough to change rankings? Maybe. Time will tell.

"If you haven't heard of ICON, then you have no clue of who the best teams are at this age group. They used to be one of the top three, but lost some key players. They are Garden City and Rockville Centre kids, well coached, and played together since they were in 1st or 2nd grade. They took a huge step back last year. I think some of the kids went to Express because of the Catholic School connection."

Response re: Icon was to all the comments about them losing players to Express, not just the one quoted. This person clearly states : "They took a huge step back"... You are right time will tell, but Icon doesn't have many huge kids, there is one big talented defender, otherwise they are on the small side, just very athletic.

ICON took a step back because they lost some really talented kids. At that level, it is very hard to replace them. I also believe that they are not made up of Holdbacks, or early birthdays like the other teams are. There is one kid on Express 2021 that really should be a 2019. Crazy stuff.

I think that some of the second tier teams (A or B, whatever) will catch up because they don't have holdbacks on them. Some of them caught up to Legacy already because they are maturing, and this year they will only get better. I have seen kids on these second tier teams end up getting better spots in College because the kids on the top tier teams peaked early and the late bloomers passed them by. That will be more common now that early recruiting is done.

In theory, you could be right but you are assuming the "second tier teams" are younger than Igloo, 91, Express and Icon. My son has been on the same "AA" team since 4th grade. There are no re-classes, a couple kids born in 11/02 and the majority of the players born are in the spring and summer of 03. They are considered a top 4 LI team. No doubt some players from "second tier teams" can play on this team, and some may become better players in the one run. But that "some" is a really small number.

It is good to have hope and keep working though. That is the way to become part of that small number. Good luck to your kid and his team.

Age has has nothing to do with it. The top three teams have most kids well into puberty. The next teams numbers 4-8 have kids are in earlier stages of puberty. It will start to equal out soon. If it does not it will be a surprise. As for a small amount of kids that could make the top four that is not accurate. Many of those kids have made the top four teams and chose not to play with them.

I'm not saying everything else you've posted is wrong, but you're other premise is that age and puberty have no relationship, and that is in contrast to well established fact.

There are plenty of 13 year olds who have gone through full puberty and many more that haven't even started. Age is a factor, but not as much. It will all catch up by 11th grade when these kids are being made offers.

What teams are headed to Fall Classic in Farmingdale?

Primetime will be there. Team was gutted and new players from the powerhouse town of Darien. Best team yet at this age.

You mean All the 2020 kids from powerhouse town of Darien went to play for 2021 Primetime .... Good Luck

??? Play Black Ice and hold your own for a few games before you can even begin to think about saying anything close to that . . . and I am not an Igloo parent!

We killed Eclipse last summer and got much better. Can't wait to play the likes of Black Ice and 91. We will see how good we are.

"We"?....you the same dbag who calls Francesa and talks bout "we really did a job on the Twins last night, right Mike"?...

LMAO

Yo what’s up

you mean primetime and their new holdbacks. Be honest with yourself. Can't compete with blaze and black ice

What fall tournaments are the teams in this bracket doing? Tough for some of the boys who have High School Tournaments at the same time.

My son's team is playing in the Farmingdale fall league, so not doing any fall tourneys.

What tournaments are going on this weekend? My son is playing football, so I feel so left out on what is going on.

Blatant Fall Jam in Huntington is this weekend

crabs 2021, best team at the age and shouldnt lose a game all year

You couldn’t even win your own tournament last summer with a cake walk of a schedule into the playoffs!

Not best team at this age, best reclass kids playing at this graduation year is more like it.

Better teams than Crabs:
DC Express
91 Blaze
Black Ice
Eclipse

Just saw igloo won fall jam. They beat express.

Not exactly an elite group of teams in that bracket . . .

Not bad for 1st time out after 5 practices and 17 out of the 21 kids are new . We had a great 1st experience with Igloo glad we are here. We know we are not a AA team but this team will surprise some teams this year.

crabs 2021 is really crabs 2020 and even has 1 kid that is a double hold back (2019)....sad

That's the case for most of the decent MD/mid-Atlantic teams . . .

Avalanche that is

COngrats to Avalanche. That is a great showing for a brand new team. I don't care what division they were in.

You are completely wrong on all fronts. Crabs 2021 has no players from Crabs 2020 team and does not have a 2019 double holdback. You seem to just pull this
stuff out of your butt, which you probably do. Don't tell me club teams in your area have no holdbacks or pre first. Now that would be pure BS.

You just denied having holdbacks, and then accused LI teams of having them? Seriously?? <eye roll>

Oh so your saying the Crabs DO NOT but everyone else does. Guess your new to all this. Chubby crab is the leader of all this holdback stuff which is ruining the sport

Please go back and read the post. It states that Crabs 2021 team does not have any Crabs 2020 players and does not have a double holdback 2019, as the original poster incorrectly posted.
New to this you ask. Nope, been involved in youth/club lacrosse for a long time. True, Crabs was the first to start the club/grade base program but if you think they are the only clubs with holdbacks, you are either fooling yourself or you really know NOTHING about club lacrosse. Plus you know clubs in your area have holdbacks and/or pre first. It is happening in club lacrosse in every area of the country.
Everyone knows the middie for Team 91 NY is a holdback, it is easy to find on the web.
So, just go back an re read the post, you will figure it out.

One of the major problems for us here in NY is that our cut off for school is in December, where as the rest of the country is August or September. So we have kids who are a year younger to start with, and then the reclass/holdback thing kicks in. So what many here see as a holdback, is just a late starter. My kid would be a 2022 if NY used the school year start as the cutoff date, and would be running over kids like they weren't there. But He is also playing Varisty as a 14 year old, which is cool.

Are there holdbacks on LI teams? Yes. Are there a gazillion more of them on MD teams than LI teams? Yes. MD is ground zero for that problem! ALthough MA is making a run for that title - they have to channel all of that holdback sentiment somewhere since USAH went age-based!

2022 is the big year for holdbacks..8th grade is the time to reclass due to HS restritions on 4 years. Last year 2021 saw a bunch of new reclassed players to go along with all the prefirsts and already reclassed. Crab teams are the king of holdbacks as are the teams/players in MIAA High School in MD which feed the Crabs and now FCA .

More parents in MD are holding/reclassing their child earlier than 8th now. I have seen many just pick at grade..But most are now 6th thru 8. Sad but that is what is happening in the sad state of youth lacrosse

Do you really think it is only lacrosse? Look at youth football and basketball, it is happening much more than lacrosse, and it is happening countrywide.
As for lacrosse, it NY changed from December to August, there would be many more holdbacks in the NY club programs. I'm surprised someone hasn't figured out a way to get around the December date. There are holdbacks in youth club lacrosse in NY, perhaps not as many as in Md. but they are there. I would guess kids attending private/Catholic schools would have a much greater opportunity to repeat a grade whereas in public school it would be more difficult, unless there was a strong academic reason. I have heard in Md it is difficult to repeat a grade in public schools, thus most of the stronger players are attending private.

From start to finish this is a pathetic post. "I'm surprised", "I would guess", "I have heard", "Thus most of the stronger players are attending private". You don't know jack. Just own the fact that your 16 year old freshman will be getting owned by 14 year old LI players. Now Crabby daddy crawl back to your Mid-Atlantic board.

Youth football does not have any reclass problems - leagues are age-based requiring birth certs, and you can only play up (and usually only one year) , and NEVER down.

Pathetic response. YOUTH football and basketball along with soccer and baseball are ALL AGE based in YOUTH prior to High School. Only the sad state of lacrosse is it acceptable to have select grade based older kids ( holdbacks/prefirsts/reclassed) play against kids younger than them. Maryland is the king of YOUTH grade base to give the select kids an advantage.

HS has always had reclassed or heldback players. It is a slight advantage but by that time its HS and most have reached puberty along with 9th-12th grade competition.

What is everyone doing as far as Prospect days and Showcases? The coaches can't tell you if they are interested, and no coaches are on the sidelines for 2021 games since the rule changes for recruiting. Is it worth spending the money?

Does your son play lacrosse to get recruited or does he play lacrosse because he loves to play lacrosse?

What a stupid reply, he can love the game in the back yard without paying $150.00, plus tolls, gas, hotel maybe. I would wait until next year.

I think you're arguing against yourself - I read the the reply as being that boys should first and foremost be playing because they love the game. How does that make the reply stupid and/or in conflict with response?!