It's the start of the Fall 2016/Spring 2017 season. Use this thread for your posts regarding this age group

How have the turnouts been for this age group ? How about True Blue, Express, 91,TLI ,etc ? My kid will just play 3 tournaments with his HS school summer team and do a showcase camp and some prospect days. I think at this point looking at D2-D3 schools the prospect days are a better option than another club team. Any thoughts ?

If your son is interested in D3 schools, this is the way to go. My son really enjoyed his last two summers playing lacrosse on a team to have fun. The prospect days were the most beneficial, but make sure he contacts the coach to let him know his interest. A lot of D3 coaches wanted to know the GPA and Test scores right up front. The money was much better spent on prospect days and showcases than another year of club tuition, especially this year with substantially higher club fees. You should know that many D3 schools might wait to see his full Junior year grades before offering him a spot on the team. They just want to make sure he has the grades to get accepted AND get some merit money so he will be admitted and financially able to attend. Good luck to your son.

Club fees are now officially out of control.

without bashing, can you guys post the actual fees this year for club teams?

Have you been living under a rock for the past decade? Club fees have been out of control for some time.

Keep in mind, the D3 Coaches have a tremendous amount of leverage with admissions. The key is to get them interested in the athletic side sooner rather than later. The D3 coaches also have leverage on the merit side as well. My older son went into a holding pattern, waiting for his first choice's overnight. In the mean time his number two magically found another scholarship that brought his merit money well over 50%. His number one then came in with a decent offer. His application was submitted to both admissions and the coach. He had a verbal acceptance from the coach in two days after submission of the application. Within am week we had a written offer on his merit money from the AD. Then a day or two later an acceptance packet showed up at his door. In October of his Senior year. Point of the story is, you need to make sure the Coach is fully supporting the application. If not, your son is not a recruit. He is essentially applying like every other student. The coach will have him on the team if accepted to the school. Don't confuse the two.

right on all points. unfortunately that doesn't preclude some from telling people otherwise. it all comes out when they get cut early in the fall sophomore year

Thanks for this information. So in order to get the merit money offer, your son had to officially apply to these schools, correct? I am just trying to clarify that the coach cannot offer money until admissions sees the application. Coach is supporting application and wants early action - are we doing this right?

You say that your son sent applications to two schools, his first and second choices, I am assuming neither of these schools were binding applications for early decision. Thanks again.

D3 coaches do not offer money either athletic or academic.

They find you scholarships and help with academic packages. some schools have more control than others.

Actually, merit money offers were made verbally before he even applied. Based in initial read of transcripts sand Sats. Official offer came upon submission of app. Every school is different, we found. One school he visited, the coach had an interview with admissions set up for my son and me. Offer was made in writing on the spot, prior to meeting with Coach. All applications sent were non-binding.

Saw Coach G's posting on Team Long Islands 2018 commits. Impressive. My sons team does not run into this 2018 team at many of the premier events. Do they still play together as a Team.

where did you see this?

you can google " Team Long Islands 2018 commits" and it shows a link to TLI web page - if you have internet access

Yeah because that was so obvious....

5 Marist commits from the same team?

Lmfao Look up who the asst coach at Marist is . Then it would explain eveything

They do not. However, as stated above, at many schools they have tremendous leverage. My friends son got over 60% merit at the highest academic NESCAC level. He was a top level recruit that chose a higher academic path. BTW he never would have come close to being accepted at the school without lax. Kid was high C band low B band at best academically. It should be noted that his monetary award was not need based. Family has the funds. This is what people don't understand about D3, there is a lot of money out there. It many cases, more than D1.

yes we do. and would love to play your sons team that goes to all of the premier events. just email coach g and set something up

This is best 2018 team on long Island. And we saw them at 3 premier events this summer. Very solid, well coached team.

It seems that a certain team had a very light turnout at their tryouts yesterday. Not enough to even have a scrimmage.

Bad day to have tryouts with Football

I would relax with the whole best 2018 team on Long Island deal. Good team yes, but lets relax there dad.

Who is better ?

who's the best is a conversation for the 4th - 7th grade teams once you get into HS years too many other factors come into play, but it is mostly who shows up, kids verbally commit to a college and are not as committed to their summer team as well as pressure to play for their HS teams summer program. Having said that - If the team that shall not be named but rhymes with "mighty fun" has their full and healthy roster they are at least 5 goals better then Marist Class of 2022

The 91 "extreme" team is definitely better and I would say the Top Choo choo team would be there as well. Having said that isnt Team LI comprised of 2018 and some on age 2017s?

Extreme forfeited second day of last tournament this summer. Not enough kids to play. If all kids from two years ago still played , I would agree. But they don't. Express , no way!

And that team is all 2018. No 2017

What team are you talking about?

Please don't feed the trolls.

I want to know as my son is still looking for a team

I shudder to think that you would listen seriously to anyone here. Take a look at the Tryouts Thread and go from there.

Ok, I will try and figure it out, Thanks!!!

How does one add new information (e.g., SAT scores, updated GPA) to previously submitted recruiting questionnaires filed with colleges?

If the college is part of RecruitSpot I know that you can update there, but for a number of schools my son submitted the initial form and I don't know where to find and update it. Any guidance greatly appreciated!

Just email the Head Coach or recruiting coordinator.

My advice. Enroll on the NCAA eligibility center. And have your schools guidience office load it there and school admissions can access it. Tell the coach your gpa and scores, sure. But committed doesn't mean admitted and you want your high school college admissions officier handling transcripts amd test scores.

Lotsa good games at 3d this weekend. Where was the location where teams playing.

No one seems to care. Lots of NLI's lately, plenty of kids who didn't early commit, so there is still normal life and plenty of room for these boys.

One has nothing to do with another. Commitments happen early but NLI cannot be signed until senior year with specific dates for each sport.

JAck as$ a lot has to do with it. It saying dont worry 2018's plenty of kids who signed NLI their senior year werent verbals Fall Jr year. next 12 months are huge! Same goes for those 2019's

Exactly my point. Thanks for getting it. I'll say it again.

You do not have to committ early to get to sign a NLI with a good school.

But let's be honest, if you're looking at D1, it is much better to be committed as a 2018 right now than not! Limited choices at the moment. Plenty of great D3 options.

Limited choices??? How many D1 programs in Lacrosse are there? Look it up. Between now and graduation many of those commitments will go unfulfilled. If you doubt this, look at TX's commitment page, then look at the rosters for those schools and see who is on the roster. You will be very surprised.

4 Jesters going to Mercy. Seems like lazy recruiting or a rush to have a committment.

I have seen a bunch of 2017 kids commit to very good schools this fall still. Plenty of time.

s being D 1 more important than going to best school? You rather go to tufts or cleavland state?

Tufts is awesome. I'd send my son there any day of the week. They can beat most D1 schools. Although, I don't know how the new coach from Taft prep school is going to do.

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Possibly missing point on education ?

Uh....I think you have smoked the JUMBO weed. Good school. Nice lax program. NOT beating most D1 schools.

Outside of top 25, They would beat a lot of them.

Dude, Jumbo was a true hero, saved many lives, show some respect! Isn't anything sacred anymore?

Correct. Also, Good kids get a lot of playing time and great education.
Look at Amherst, Middlebury, MIT... all amazing schools which have lax programs. Why would anyone think their little Johnny superstar needs to go to DUKE and sit the bench?

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Correct. Also, Good kids get a lot of playing time and great education.
Look at Amherst, Middlebury, MIT... all amazing schools which have lax programs. Why would anyone think their little Johnny superstar needs to go to DUKE and sit the bench? [/quote]

I always find this argument to be silly, most kids that go to Duke are not going to "sit on the bench" they are going to Duke to play, they may wind up sitting on the bench but in most cases they thought they would play, they were the stars of their HS teams and the best players on their club and all star teams. these are 18 year old stud athletes and great students who have all the confidence in the world that they will be on the field memorial day weekend. Last I heard Duke and Tufts both can only play 10 players at a time and Duke has a 42 player roster while Tufts has a 51 player roster so in fact more kids are going to Tufts to sit on the bench then are going to Duke to sit on the bench. I would be very happy sending my kid to either one.

Great response!

not really. if you think you have same chance of playing on duke or tufts, you are insane. think the point was go to best school possible and forget what division it is.

If you are a great HS player with great grades and Coach Danowski thinks you can play lacrosse at Duke, please enlighten us to what the down side is? you get to Duke and don't get a lot of playing time and after four years you have a Duke degree and your kicking yourself because you could have gone to a better academic school than Duke and gotten playing time?

My advice to you is never ask out a beautiful person they might be to good for you, and never apply for that great job, too much competition...how can you seriously make a comment like "go to the best school" when you are talking about Duke and Tufts. Please find your great academic school with a mediocre team so you can get your participation trophy and don't ever challenge yourself to be the best at anything leave that to the winners and the Dukies.

Still don't get it. Go put your Duke sweatshirt on!

what are the majors on the Duke roster and what are the majors on Tufts roster?

its all about preference FOR THE KID

Does it really matter about them beating D1 schools or that it is a great school?

Nice to see this age group back out there. Fl...gee and Jesters best out at NYLA.

Doesn't really matter, but Outlaws beat Fl$. Good games out there.

You are right. It doesn't matter. But......jesters did beat outlaws

Duke versus Tufts is interesting as the post college non lacrosse potential at both schools is off the charts good. There is no question that an individual player with skill level X is likely to get more playing time at Tufts than Duke. There are plenty of players on Duke's bench who would be considerable contributors at Tufts (but not vice versa). If you believe you will be a star at Duke or are comfortable riding the pines to say "I played D1" the choice is obvious. If not, the choice is more difficult.

Since very few players are going to make a living via lacrosse, the more interesting question is given a NESCAC opportunity which schools in the D1 level provide similar post college potential? In these cases, similar to the above, D1 over NESCAC probably makes sense. For sure, Ivy, Service Academies, JHU, UVA and others come to mind (these are generally top tier lax schools too)

Most D1 schools provide significantly less post college non lacrosse potential than the NESCAC schools. In which case, if you have the academic chops to succeed at NESCAC under what scenarios would you advise your son to attend the D1 school?

Wagner or Williams? VMI or Wesleyan? Jacksonville or Bates? these may be obvious, What about Denver, UMD or Loyola vs. Middlebury, Amherst or Bowdoin?

I am aware that "potential" isn't everything, you can go to a top academic school and fail after you get your degree or attend a less illustrious university and crazy good career success.

You should probably throw the Liberty League into the mix for this discussion . . .

and Centennial... Swarthmore or Syracuse ? if your son has the academic chops to succeed at Swarthmore and the lax prowess to play at Cuse. Where do you help guide him?

with the new changes that happened (I know it doesn't affect 2018) but is there any change to the recruiting calendar as a whole. More so, in relation to the month of Sept. Is it truly a "no evaluation" period and just a "contact/talk" period?

What about those Patriot league schools, excellent education and there should be opportunities to play for those better players.

You have no idea about VMI. That is a great school. Excellent network when you graduate. And many do well as officers in the military.

Agree VMI is an excellent school, but by all reasonable measures, it is not as strong as Wesleyan which was used in the example. You can be very successfully having attended VMI, but your odds are greater with a degree from Wesleyan. It is all about probability.

Wesleyan review in Forbes
VMI review in Forbes

If your son is militarily inclined and has an option to do ROTC at VMI or a NESCAC school which would you guide him towards?

If academics were not something you cared about would you advise your son to play at a school that regularly is in the bottom 10% of D1 lacrosse rankings or a participant of last year's D3 Final Four.

Dear Dad, I'm sure your son is going to love Wesleyan as much as you do.
However, there's this thing called "best fit" when it comes to picking colleges. Academics and Lacrosse are certainly important, but I think you have to dig a little deeper. The answers to the following questions bring some intangibles to light that one might consider before heading off to one of the aforementioned schools. Are the kids at that school similar to my son? Will he have much in common with them? Do they share the same beliefs? Were they raised with the same values? Are they people you would seek out to be friend if you weren't at the same school. Will your son enjoy the company of the people at the school other than his teammates? As a parent, are the kids at the school the kind of people I want my kid associating with? Potentially marring and bringing into my family? Do want your son surrounded by these people for four years? The professors at the school, are they the kind of people you want molding and influencing your son? I dare say the answers to these questions are far more important to me than the ranking in Forbes. While Wesleyan maybe ranked higher in that magazine, for me I have to say the answers to the intangibles would be a deal killer. On the other hand, if a military track was your son's desired path, I'd be very comfortable with VMI on the intangibles.

Whoa, apologies necessary since using examples makes it personal really fast.

Trying to generate a real dialogue hear to help my son make good decisions. If EVERYTHING else is equal would you always choose a D1 school over D3 (I would guess yes). If most factors are equal (the intangibles, environment, friends proximity etc...) and we focus on two specific items as differentiating factors in what direction would you guide your boy's decision? How would you rank these 18 school types if all else was the same? (assume your son is likely to earn a high GPA and playing time regardless of situation)

A) Elite Academic + Elite D1 Lax
B) Elite Academic + Elite D3 Lax
C) Elite Academic + Avg D1 Lax
D) Elite Academic + Avg D3 Lax
E) Elite Academic + Poor D1 Lax
F) Elite Academic + Poor D3 Lax
G) Avg Academic + Elite D1 Lax
H) Avg Academic + Elite D3 Lax
I) Avg Academic + Avg D1 Lax
J) Avg Academic + Avg D3 Lax
K) Avg Academic + Poor D1 Lax
L) Avg Academic + Poor D3 Lax
M) Poor Academic + Elite D1 Lax
N) Poor Academic + Elite D3 Lax
O) Poor Academic + Avg D1 Lax
P) Poor Academic + Avg D3 Lax
Q) Poor Academic + Poor D1 Lax
R) Poor Academic + Poor D3 Lax

Two adages drive my ranking.
1. You are an ex-lax player longer than you are a lax player - hence focus on academic profile > than lax profile
2. Losing gets old fast - hence winning D3 programs > losing D1 programs

What would you change?
Would you of advised your son to early commit to Schools M, O, or Q? If grades now prove strong what type of school would you de-commit for?
Would you de-commit from I or K for school B?

Jesters in Lake Placid, how they doin

Your assumption of "everything else is equal" is not based in reality - you have 17 CATEGORIES of schools above. You can't find 17 INDIVIDUAL schools in the United States where a prospective student and the families would assess them anywhere near as being equal! The very nature of schools with D1 sports versus schools with D3 sports immediately belies the idea that they can otherwise be equal. Factor in locales, academics strengths, etc, and you move away from your premise at mach 3! A prospective student should first and foremost decide what kind of school they want to attend based upon all non athletic factors, and THEN figure out which of those schools on that short list have lax programs they could play for. But that short list still wouldn't be otherwise equal schools! And you eliminated any D2 schools from consideration why . . . ??