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To discuss the 2016 college season and the state of women's lacrosse
Originally Posted by America's Game
To discuss the 2016 college season and the state of women's lacrosse


College season starts way too early. 15 degrees this Saturday for most of the northeast games. NCAA wonders why attendance is down for both boys and girls lacrosse.
what do women's lax teams bring to the table for their colleges?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
To discuss the 2016 college season and the state of women's lacrosse


College season starts way too early. 15 degrees this Saturday for most of the northeast games. NCAA wonders why attendance is down for both boys and girls lacrosse.


Championship weekend is already almost a month past graduation at most schools, can't keep the athletes there forever. Agree with the weather issues, but not much choice in the Northeast or Midwest - have to start early or they'll never get the games in. Need more Carrier Domes!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
To discuss the 2016 college season and the state of women's lacrosse


College season starts way too early. 15 degrees this Saturday for most of the northeast games. NCAA wonders why attendance is down for both boys and girls lacrosse.


Championship weekend is already almost a month past graduation at most schools, can't keep the athletes there forever. Agree with the weather issues, but not much choice in the Northeast or Midwest - have to start early or they'll never get the games in. Need more Carrier Domes!


NU is building a beautiful indoor facility.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what do women's lax teams bring to the table for their colleges?

The same thing as every other athletic program/sport at that school with the exception of football and basketball (if/for the schools that make money on these programs). An enhancement of student athletes, and the benefits from developing/fostering student athletes that bring with them to a university the values of amateurism and collegence. The military Academies are huge on athletics for the proven fact that many futre leaders emrge though sport.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
To discuss the 2016 college season and the state of women's lacrosse


College season starts way too early. 15 degrees this Saturday for most of the northeast games. NCAA wonders why attendance is down for both boys and girls lacrosse.


Championship weekend is already almost a month past graduation at most schools, can't keep the athletes there forever. Agree with the weather issues, but not much choice in the Northeast or Midwest - have to start early or they'll never get the games in. Need more Carrier Domes!


Let them start later and play 2-3 a week instead of these dragged out schedules
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
To discuss the 2016 college season and the state of women's lacrosse


College season starts way too early. 15 degrees this Saturday for most of the northeast games. NCAA wonders why attendance is down for both boys and girls lacrosse.


Championship weekend is already almost a month past graduation at most schools, can't keep the athletes there forever. Agree with the weather issues, but not much choice in the Northeast or Midwest - have to start early or they'll never get the games in. Need more Carrier Domes!


Let them start later and play 2-3 a week instead of these dragged out schedules


Hey lacrosse dad, your daughter is there to get an education right???? As it is, the top programs have way too much travel since so few programs are strong
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
To discuss the 2016 college season and the state of women's lacrosse


College season starts way too early. 15 degrees this Saturday for most of the northeast games. NCAA wonders why attendance is down for both boys and girls lacrosse.


Championship weekend is already almost a month past graduation at most schools, can't keep the athletes there forever. Agree with the weather issues, but not much choice in the Northeast or Midwest - have to start early or they'll never get the games in. Need more Carrier Domes!


NU is building a beautiful indoor facility.
Easier to do because they don't need a ton of seating
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
To discuss the 2016 college season and the state of women's lacrosse


College season starts way too early. 15 degrees this Saturday for most of the northeast games. NCAA wonders why attendance is down for both boys and girls lacrosse.


Championship weekend is already almost a month past graduation at most schools, can't keep the athletes there forever. Agree with the weather issues, but not much choice in the Northeast or Midwest - have to start early or they'll never get the games in. Need more Carrier Domes!


NU is building a beautiful indoor facility.
Easier to do because they don't need a ton of seating


Have you been drinking?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
To discuss the 2016 college season and the state of women's lacrosse


College season starts way too early. 15 degrees this Saturday for most of the northeast games. NCAA wonders why attendance is down for both boys and girls lacrosse.


Championship weekend is already almost a month past graduation at most schools, can't keep the athletes there forever. Agree with the weather issues, but not much choice in the Northeast or Midwest - have to start early or they'll never get the games in. Need more Carrier Domes!


NU is building a beautiful indoor facility.
Easier to do because they don't need a ton of seating


Have you been drinking?


I get their point ... saying that they r not building an indoor football stadium etc. They r building an amazing 250 million dollar facility though that will also allow indoor lax games and seating for maybe a couple thousand.
BOTC Top 20

1. North Carolina
2. Maryland
3. Northwestern
4. Syracuse
5. Penn State
6. Duke
7. Florida
8. Virginia
9. Boston College
10. Princeton
11. Stony Brook
12. Penn
13. Stanford
14. Hopkins
15. Notre Dame
16. James Madison
17. Southern Cal
18. Ohio State
19. Towson
20. Loyola
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
To discuss the 2016 college season and the state of women's lacrosse


College season starts way too early. 15 degrees this Saturday for most of the northeast games. NCAA wonders why attendance is down for both boys and girls lacrosse.


Championship weekend is already almost a month past graduation at most schools, can't keep the athletes there forever. Agree with the weather issues, but not much choice in the Northeast or Midwest - have to start early or they'll never get the games in. Need more Carrier Domes!


NU is building a beautiful indoor facility.


So is Stony Brook. Your tax $ at work.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
To discuss the 2016 college season and the state of women's lacrosse


College season starts way too early. 15 degrees this Saturday for most of the northeast games. NCAA wonders why attendance is down for both boys and girls lacrosse.


Championship weekend is already almost a month past graduation at most schools, can't keep the athletes there forever. Agree with the weather issues, but not much choice in the Northeast or Midwest - have to start early or they'll never get the games in. Need more Carrier Domes!


NU is building a beautiful indoor facility.


So is Stony Brook. Your tax $ at work.
Any thing being built a S.B. is because of the money that was given to them by that hedge fund guy
I get their point ... saying that they r not building an indoor football stadium etc. They r building an amazing 250 million dollar facility though that will also allow indoor lax games and seating for maybe a couple thousand. [/quote]

Exactly, read their press release it is a practice facility for football with a full size field and only in extreme circumstances will lacrosse play games indoors because the field is narrower than their outdoor lacrosse field and will only have portable seating for 1,000 spectators. Still great to have especially in the windy winters
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BOTC Top 20

1. North Carolina
2. Maryland
3. Northwestern
4. Syracuse
5. Penn State
6. Duke
7. Florida
8. Virginia
9. Boston College
10. Princeton
11. Stony Brook
12. Penn
13. Stanford
14. Hopkins
15. Notre Dame
16. James Madison
17. Southern Cal
18. Ohio State
19. Towson
20. Loyola


Pre season polls have James Madison, U Mass, Jacksonville all dropping out of the top 20 to make room for Ohio St, Louisville, and Princeton. Of teams that remain in the top 20 Northwestern and ND are expected to make the biggest jump
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BOTC Top 20

1. North Carolina
2. Maryland
3. Northwestern
4. Syracuse
5. Penn State
6. Duke
7. Florida
8. Virginia
9. Boston College
10. Princeton
11. Stony Brook
12. Penn
13. Stanford
14. Hopkins
15. Notre Dame
16. James Madison
17. Southern Cal
18. Ohio State
19. Towson
20. Loyola


Pre season polls have James Madison, U Mass, Jacksonville all dropping out of the top 20 to make room for Ohio St, Louisville, and Princeton. Of teams that remain in the top 20 Northwestern and ND are expected to make the biggest jump
Well maybe not Northwestern
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BOTC Top 20

1. North Carolina
2. Maryland
3. Northwestern
4. Syracuse
5. Penn State
6. Duke
7. Florida
8. Virginia
9. Boston College
10. Princeton
11. Stony Brook
12. Penn
13. Stanford
14. Hopkins
15. Notre Dame
16. James Madison
17. Southern Cal
18. Ohio State
19. Towson
20. Loyola


Don't the national publications have SB at 4 or 5? Why no love for the Seawolves?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
To discuss the 2016 college season and the state of women's lacrosse


College season starts way too early. 15 degrees this Saturday for most of the northeast games. NCAA wonders why attendance is down for both boys and girls lacrosse.


Championship weekend is already almost a month past graduation at most schools, can't keep the athletes there forever. Agree with the weather issues, but not much choice in the Northeast or Midwest - have to start early or they'll never get the games in. Need more Carrier Domes!


When I played ~15 years ago (ha!), we started much later yet still fit in the championship on Memorial Day weekend. Why the change? Conference tournaments could all be significantly shortened.
I think a lot of the predictions are based on recruiting class and on graduation of key players. I dont think the unproven freshmen class players should make such a difference this early on in the season.
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BOTC Top 20

1. North Carolina
2. Maryland
3. Northwestern
4. Syracuse
5. Penn State
6. Duke
7. Florida
8. Virginia
9. Boston College
10. Princeton
11. Stony Brook
12. Penn
13. Stanford
14. Hopkins
15. Notre Dame
16. James Madison
17. Southern Cal
18. Ohio State
19. Towson
20. Loyola


Don't the national publications have SB at 4 or 5? Why no love for the Seawolves?


SBU has been given a lot of attention over the past two years. They had a good year last year but in the end they did not get it done. They did not have a very strong strength of schedule (not their fault). Notre Dame, Florida and Northwestern all had down years. SBU beat some good programs but they did not beat good teams. Florida had 6 losses, Northwestern had 7 losses and Notre Dame had 9 losses. Their schedule is not very difficult this year either. I think they are loaded with talent but if you want to be ranked in the top 10 you have to play and beat good teams. They have not done anything to suggest that they should be ranked in the top 5.
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BOTC Top 20

1. North Carolina
2. Maryland
3. Northwestern
4. Syracuse
5. Penn State
6. Duke
7. Florida
8. Virginia
9. Boston College
10. Princeton
11. Stony Brook
12. Penn
13. Stanford
14. Hopkins
15. Notre Dame
16. James Madison
17. Southern Cal
18. Ohio State
19. Towson
20. Loyola


Pre season polls have James Madison, U Mass, Jacksonville all dropping out of the top 20 to make room for Ohio St, Louisville, and Princeton. Of teams that remain in the top 20 Northwestern and ND are expected to make the biggest jump
Well maybe not Northwestern


Maybe not ND either - lucky to get a win yesterday, Stanford gave the game away. one of the rare occasions when ND out coaches anyone, cant see halfpenny lasting if this year is another debacle
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BOTC Top 20

1. North Carolina
2. Maryland
3. Northwestern
4. Syracuse
5. Penn State
6. Duke
7. Florida
8. Virginia
9. Boston College
10. Princeton
11. Stony Brook
12. Penn
13. Stanford
14. Hopkins
15. Notre Dame
16. James Madison
17. Southern Cal
18. Ohio State
19. Towson
20. Loyola


Don't the national publications have SB at 4 or 5? Why no love for the Seawolves?


SBU has been given a lot of attention over the past two years. They had a good year last year but in the end they did not get it done. They did not have a very strong strength of schedule (not their fault). Notre Dame, Florida and Northwestern all had down years. SBU beat some good programs but they did not beat good teams. Florida had 6 losses, Northwestern had 7 losses and Notre Dame had 9 losses. Their schedule is not very difficult this year either. I think they are loaded with talent but if you want to be ranked in the top 10 you have to play and beat good teams. They have not done anything to suggest that they should be ranked in the top 5.


Their conference schedule hurts strength of schedule. Where SB has gone in the past four years is beyond admirable. Beating Florida, Northwestern and ND IS a great accomplishment for a mid major sized school with a very small portion of the resources their competition has. Looking at their roster it is a young team with its best days ahead! My daughter looked hard at SB and decided to go away. I can tell you it is a program respected by other top 10 schools an honest ranking for an emerging SB is between 6-10 give or take. Best time of the year!!
ND beating Stanford is a good win for ND. Stanford is a great program. Top 10
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BOTC Top 20

1. North Carolina
2. Maryland
3. Northwestern
4. Syracuse
5. Penn State
6. Duke
7. Florida
8. Virginia
9. Boston College
10. Princeton
11. Stony Brook
12. Penn
13. Stanford
14. Hopkins
15. Notre Dame
16. James Madison
17. Southern Cal
18. Ohio State
19. Towson
20. Loyola


Don't the national publications have SB at 4 or 5? Why no love for the Seawolves?


SBU has been given a lot of attention over the past two years. They had a good year last year but in the end they did not get it done. They did not have a very strong strength of schedule (not their fault). Notre Dame, Florida and Northwestern all had down years. SBU beat some good programs but they did not beat good teams. Florida had 6 losses, Northwestern had 7 losses and Notre Dame had 9 losses. Their schedule is not very difficult this year either. I think they are loaded with talent but if you want to be ranked in the top 10 you have to play and beat good teams. They have not done anything to suggest that they should be ranked in the top 5.


Their conference schedule hurts strength of schedule. Where SB has gone in the past four years is beyond admirable. Beating Florida, Northwestern and ND IS a great accomplishment for a mid major sized school with a very small portion of the resources their competition has. Looking at their roster it is a young team with its best days ahead! My daughter looked hard at SB and decided to go away. I can tell you it is a program respected by other top 10 schools an honest ranking for an emerging SB is between 6-10 give or take. Best time of the year!!


Based on performance I think 11 is about right this time of year. Once they knock off a couple of teams and some of the Top 10 teams lose a few games I think SBU will have a legitimate claim to be ranked higher. Until they prove it on the field (i believe they will) it is all just hype.

Not sure that I understand your point regarding school size. "Mid major sized school" ? what does school size have to do with anything? SBU falls about in the middle of the schools listed in terms of size. Duke, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Hopkins, Northwestern, Notre Dame and Loyola all significantly smaller enrollment. Also, not sure what you mean by "very small portion of the resources". I believe SBU is fully funded in terms of scholarships. Their facilities are very good (stadium / weight room etc..) Where are they falling short in terms of resources?
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BOTC Top 20

1. North Carolina
2. Maryland
3. Northwestern
4. Syracuse
5. Penn State
6. Duke
7. Florida
8. Virginia
9. Boston College
10. Princeton
11. Stony Brook
12. Penn
13. Stanford
14. Hopkins
15. Notre Dame
16. James Madison
17. Southern Cal
18. Ohio State
19. Towson
20. Loyola


Don't the national publications have SB at 4 or 5? Why no love for the Seawolves?


SBU has been given a lot of attention over the past two years. They had a good year last year but in the end they did not get it done. They did not have a very strong strength of schedule (not their fault). Notre Dame, Florida and Northwestern all had down years. SBU beat some good programs but they did not beat good teams. Florida had 6 losses, Northwestern had 7 losses and Notre Dame had 9 losses. Their schedule is not very difficult this year either. I think they are loaded with talent but if you want to be ranked in the top 10 you have to play and beat good teams. They have not done anything to suggest that they should be ranked in the top 5.


Their conference schedule hurts strength of schedule. Where SB has gone in the past four years is beyond admirable. Beating Florida, Northwestern and ND IS a great accomplishment for a mid major sized school with a very small portion of the resources their competition has. Looking at their roster it is a young team with its best days ahead! My daughter looked hard at SB and decided to go away. I can tell you it is a program respected by other top 10 schools an honest ranking for an emerging SB is between 6-10 give or take. Best time of the year!!
this probably will not make it to post because this board protects him, but J.S. is not respected amongst most D1 coaches


I believe they respect his ability to coach. Not sure how the feel about him personally but anyone who does not respect his ability to Identify talent, recruit, teach, prepare etc.. is not being honest.
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ND beating Stanford is a good win for ND. Stanford is a great program. Top 10


It's as expected. ND is better than Stanford. And Stanford is not top ten, sorry Stanford dad.
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ND beating Stanford is a good win for ND. Stanford is a great program. Top 10


Stop!
What's your opinion on D2 schools in the tri state area?
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What's your opinion on D2 schools in the tri state area?


Ranked by average SAT scores needed it would be- Adelphi, Molloy, New Haven, LIU Post and then Mercy and Dowling who's entrance requirements are so low they don't publish.

Lacrosse wise over the years it would be Adelphi #1 LIU Post, New Haven, Dowling, and then Molloy and Mercy ties at bottom

Adelphi is a pretty clear winner and has continued winning even after Spalina left for Stony Brook
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BOTC Top 20

1. North Carolina
2. Maryland
3. Northwestern
4. Syracuse
5. Penn State
6. Duke
7. Florida
8. Virginia
9. Boston College
10. Princeton
11. Stony Brook
12. Penn
13. Stanford
14. Hopkins
15. Notre Dame
16. James Madison
17. Southern Cal
18. Ohio State
19. Towson
20. Loyola


Pre season polls have James Madison, U Mass, Jacksonville all dropping out of the top 20 to make room for Ohio St, Louisville, and Princeton. Of teams that remain in the top 20 Northwestern and ND are expected to make the biggest jump
Well maybe not Northwestern


Maybe not ND either - lucky to get a win yesterday, Stanford gave the game away. one of the rare occasions when ND out coaches anyone, cant see halfpenny lasting if this year is another debacle


So is Bokker a bad coach? Interesting. Some Stanford guy keeps talking about how great they r. Guess his daughter is going to be disappointed.
Either Syracuse lost some steam or Binghamton picked up some really solid players , close call for Syracuse yesterday , looks like some tides may be changing with many teams this season , should be very interesting !
I would love to see Binghamton develop into a competitive lacrosse school for both Men and Women. I think it would be good for NY and our kids. Having Albany, Stony Brook, and a stronger Binghampton would offer our kids another college lacrosse, solid academic, and realistic financial opportunity for many of our kids.

There must be a bunch of "blue collar/middle class" girls/boys on Long Island and upstate that are solid lax players and students that might not be able to afford out of state or private school tuition that Binghampton could recruit.

Stony Book is dominated by Long Island kids, Albany is dominated by the Capital region, There has to be a ton of quality kids that could spill over on to Binghampton's lap.
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Either Syracuse lost some steam or Binghamton picked up some really solid players , close call for Syracuse yesterday , looks like some tides may be changing with many teams this season , should be very interesting !


Or, just maybe Syracuse played two games on Sunday (Binghamton being the second game). I would be willing to bet the Syracuse starting lineup was different for each of the contests. I would also bet that a lot of different girls saw action.
Makes no difference regardless 1st game or 2nd , Syracuse 2nd 3rd or 4th line that program should be able to dominate Binghamton wouldn't you say ? Your willing to Bet sounds like this may have hit a nerve..lol .. Reality of it is all programs come and go in cycles . Stony Brook being one of them , as Northwestern was years ago.. its the luck of the draw for recruitment and team bond in any program .

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Either Syracuse lost some steam or Binghamton picked up some really solid players , close call for Syracuse yesterday , looks like some tides may be changing with many teams this season , should be very interesting !


Or, just maybe Syracuse played two games on Sunday (Binghamton being the second game). I would be willing to bet the Syracuse starting lineup was different for each of the contests. I would also bet that a lot of different girls saw action.
Syracuse should have lit up the Bing. Syracuse better get it together quick as Bing is ranked closer to 100 than number 1 but early in the season a win is a win.
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Makes no difference regardless 1st game or 2nd , Syracuse 2nd 3rd or 4th line that program should be able to dominate Binghamton wouldn't you say ? Your willing to Bet sounds like this may have hit a nerve..lol .. Reality of it is all programs come and go in cycles . Stony Brook being one of them , as Northwestern was years ago.. its the luck of the draw for recruitment and team bond in any program .

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Either Syracuse lost some steam or Binghamton picked up some really solid players , close call for Syracuse yesterday , looks like some tides may be changing with many teams this season , should be very interesting !


Or, just maybe Syracuse played two games on Sunday (Binghamton being the second game). I would be willing to bet the Syracuse starting lineup was different for each of the contests. I would also bet that a lot of different girls saw action.


All bench players and freshman played the entire second game. Syracuse rested the big guns. Great to see all the girls get time in a day night doubleheader
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Syracuse should have lit up the Bing. Syracuse better get it together quick as Bing is ranked closer to 100 than number 1 but early in the season a win is a win.


The above poster is 100% correct..the top players for Syracuse stayed in their sweats for the game against Bing..i'm sure Gait to it easy on Bing. as you say a win is a win.. Treanor could have dropped 10 on Bing and ten gotten criticized for running up her stats trying to win the tewaraton award.
Since 1990 there have only been 5 programs to win the national championship. I think everyone had hoped the game would have had a better competitive balance by now but it just cant seem to break through. After the top 10-15 programs the talent level still falls off a cliff. Everyone plays by the same scholarship rules so why can't other programs break in?

Maryland has 11, Northwestern 7, Princeton 3, Virginia 3, North Carolina 1
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Since 1990 there have only been 5 programs to win the national championship. I think everyone had hoped the game would have had a better competitive balance by now but it just cant seem to break through. After the top 10-15 programs the talent level still falls off a cliff. Everyone plays by the same scholarship rules so why can't other programs break in?

Maryland has 11, Northwestern 7, Princeton 3, Virginia 3, North Carolina 1


And there are 3 likely contenders this year ... MD, UNC, SYR ... I would place large dollars on one of those 3 winning this year.
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Since 1990 there have only been 5 programs to win the national championship. I think everyone had hoped the game would have had a better competitive balance by now but it just cant seem to break through. After the top 10-15 programs the talent level still falls off a cliff. Everyone plays by the same scholarship rules so why can't other programs break in?

Maryland has 11, Northwestern 7, Princeton 3, Virginia 3, North Carolina 1


Talent. There simply isn't enough to go around. That is why the Top Programs go after the top talent early. After the top 20 - 30 girls commit the talent level drops off (there are a few who are missed but for the most part the best players are identified early). Not all of the players at the top programs are studs. The programs number 1 & 2 recruits are usually significantly stronger than the 9 & 10 recruits.
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Since 1990 there have only been 5 programs to win the national championship. I think everyone had hoped the game would have had a better competitive balance by now but it just cant seem to break through. After the top 10-15 programs the talent level still falls off a cliff. Everyone plays by the same scholarship rules so why can't other programs break in?

Maryland has 11, Northwestern 7, Princeton 3, Virginia 3, North Carolina 1


Talent. There simply isn't enough to go around. That is why the Top Programs go after the top talent early. After the top 20 - 30 girls commit the talent level drops off (there are a few who are missed but for the most part the best players are identified early). Not all of the players at the top programs are studs. The programs number 1 & 2 recruits are usually significantly stronger than the 9 & 10 recruits.


Just look at Syracuse, can't tell me they are paying all 50 girls. Top programs all have the same cash, why don't girls go to lesser programs to get more $$$ and then those teams would jump up to the top? Florida overpaid some and got close but it's still hard to understand the stranglehold on the championships by a couple of teams. Will the shot clock make it like the wild west and bring more teams into the mix?
Power conference schools have way more resources Budget money uniforms etc
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Power conference schools have way more resources Budget money uniforms etc


huh? all the top programs travel by coach or plane, all have all the gear they want, all have updated weight rooms, some have better stadiums than others but there has to be something else
Funny thing about that statement is if stony brook played their bench warmers or freshman they would have still beat the snot out of bing.




quote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Makes no difference regardless 1st game or 2nd , Syracuse 2nd 3rd or 4th line that program should be able to dominate Binghamton wouldn't you say ? Your willing to Bet sounds like this may have hit a nerve..lol .. Reality of it is all programs come and go in cycles . Stony Brook being one of them , as Northwestern was years ago.. its the luck of the draw for recruitment and team bond in any program .

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Either Syracuse lost some steam or Binghamton picked up some really solid players , close call for Syracuse yesterday , looks like some tides may be changing with many teams this season , should be very interesting !


Or, just maybe Syracuse played two games on Sunday (Binghamton being the second game). I would be willing to bet the Syracuse starting lineup was different for each of the contests. I would also bet that a lot of different girls saw action.


All bench players and freshman played the entire second game. Syracuse rested the big guns. Great to see all the girls get time in a day night doubleheader [/quote]
Hofstra was picked high even with their killer schedule so their game one loss to lowly New Hampshire really hurts
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Hofstra was picked high even with their killer schedule so their game one loss to lowly New Hampshire really hurts


Not sure that they were "picked high" or that a loss "really hurts". You sound like a bitter negative person who has something against Hofstra.
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[quote=Anonymous]Hofstra was picked high even with their killer schedule so their game one loss to lowly New Hampshire really hurts


Not sure that they were "picked high" or that a loss "really hurts". You sound like a bitter negative person who has something against Hofstra. [/quote

Lax Power has Hofstra's strength of schedule at #28 and Stony Brook at #106. This is the same thing that hurts Baylor in college football every year.
I meant to thank you for this. Went with my daughter to Mercy and New Haven and she fell in love with Mercy. Very impressed with the business program and brand new facilities. Did not get the same vibe from New Haven, very low energy. She wants to go away but not too far, wish a SUNY had a D2. Still have time as she is 2018.
What is a "normal" roster size for a D1 school? I was looking at Syracuse after all the talk about the Binghamton game and realized they have 51 on the roster.
[quote=Anonymous]What is a "normal" roster size for a D1 school? I was looking at Syracuse after all the talk about the Binghamton game and realized they have 51 on the roster. [/

I believe an average d1 women's team's roster is between 28-32. Syracuse's roster is run more like a men's team. Big roster, starters, subs, practice team and extras. They do play more girls in most games than other teams seem to
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What is a "normal" roster size for a D1 school? I was looking at Syracuse after all the talk about the Binghamton game and realized they have 51 on the roster.


Ivies carry around 28

Medium-sized programs 28-32
Vandy, Stanford etc. have 30 ish

Big ones 32-40 ... NU, MD, UNC

Biggest SYR 51
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What is a "normal" roster size for a D1 school? I was looking at Syracuse after all the talk about the Binghamton game and realized they have 51 on the roster.


Ivies carry around 28

Medium-sized programs 28-32
Vandy, Stanford etc. have 30 ish

Big ones 32-40 ... NU, MD, UNC

Biggest SYR 51


Small D1 programs like Brooklyn and St Francis carry 19-21 which is great if you just want to play!
Hofstra will have their chance later this season to prove how strong they are. Hofstra and Stony Brook will play and we will see what happens then. It will be done the right way two teams on the field. Good Luck!
Some schools take more on their roster knowing they will never see the field and like syracuse get top tier players but the effect is that those girls not in the top 20 on the Syracuse roster will never see the field FOR Syracuse or AGAINST THEM. Get the picture?
Championship weekend returning to Stony Brook in 2018 - looking forward to it.
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Some schools take more on their roster knowing they will never see the field … and like syracuse get top tier players… but the effect is that those girls not in the top 20 on the Syracuse roster will never see the field FOR Syracuse… or AGAINST THEM. Get the picture?


I was told by a parent of a kid on last years team that in the middle of the season around 10 girls were cut from the team.
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Some schools take more on their roster knowing they will never see the field … and like syracuse get top tier players… but the effect is that those girls not in the top 20 on the Syracuse roster will never see the field FOR Syracuse… or AGAINST THEM. Get the picture?


I was told by a parent of a kid on last years team that in the middle of the season around 10 girls were cut from the team.


Probably more like Dad wanted to her go to Syracuse so he could say she was on the team and she was on the bottom end of the roster with no scholarship. Then around mid season she realized the team and the coach controlled her life as they were pushing for a national championship. At that point they probably cut themselves and quit. Any girl that was used to being the "girl" and then finds herself not playing is a tough adjustment. I don't think people realize how much time the kids put in.

Google the UNC lawsuit by players saying they were forced to put in 50-60 hours per week which deprived them of an education. That lawsuit led to a blind self NCAA reporting questionnaire sent to all D1 athletes in all sports where the average was 40+ hours per week with the team. This is why many schools choose your major for you. First time parents BEWARE!! Low D1, D2 and D3 might be better for many kids.
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[quote=Anonymous]What is a "normal" roster size for a D1 school? I was looking at Syracuse after all the talk about the Binghamton game and realized they have 51 on the roster. [/

I believe an average d1 women's team's roster is between 28-32. Syracuse's roster is run more like a men's team. Big roster, starters, subs, practice team and extras. They do play more girls in most games than other teams seem to


Most schools that carry large rosters don't travel with all their players.. some of those 51 players only dress for home games. I would guess like 25-28 travel to away games.. either cross town or cross country
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Championship weekend returning to Stony Brook in 2018 - looking forward to it.


Would like to see D3 join them as well. I thought Philly last year was great.
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Championship weekend returning to Stony Brook in 2018 - looking forward to it.


Would like to see D3 join them as well. I thought Philly last year was great.


I think parents would be shocked at the high level of lacrosse being played at the top of D3. Many of these teams would blow the doors off lower ranked D1 teams. Lots of club parents seem to have a snobbish opinion when talking about D2 and D3 lax when in reality many of these schools are just flat out better. When Spalina was at Adelphi his teams would have crushed many D1's and competed with most. When you read the earlier post about D1 athletics being a fulltime job 5-6 hours or training a day many should look at D2 and D3
Adelphi still can their team the last two years and this season is very good!
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Originally Posted by baldbear
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Championship weekend returning to Stony Brook in 2018 - looking forward to it.


Would like to see D3 join them as well. I thought Philly last year was great.


I think parents would be shocked at the high level of lacrosse being played at the top of D3. Many of these teams would blow the doors off lower ranked D1 teams. Lots of club parents seem to have a snobbish opinion when talking about D2 and D3 lax when in reality many of these schools are just flat out better. When Spalina was at Adelphi his teams would have crushed many D1's and competed with most. When you read the earlier post about D1 athletics being a fulltime job 5-6 hours or training a day many should look at D2 and D3


The "snobbishness" around D2 is deserved from an academic point of view. Most D2 schools are pretty [lacrosse] poor academically. D3 has some great academic institutions and strong lax. D3 also allows you to experience college fully, including going abroad for a semester if you choose. D1 and D3 are where it's at. D2 not so much.
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Adelphi still can their team the last two years and this season is very good!


So where would Adelphi or the top D2 school start beating D1 teams? Would have to think they would have an easy go of it with D1 teams ranked 50-110 and would be competitive with some teams above that?
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Adelphi still can their team the last two years and this season is very good!


So where would Adelphi or the top D2 school start beating D1 teams? Would have to think they would have an easy go of it with D1 teams ranked 50-110 and would be competitive with some teams above that?
Brooklyn played both Adelphi and Post this fall at Hofstra. 1 goal game against Adelphi, beat post by 3 or 4
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Adelphi still can their team the last two years and this season is very good!


So where would Adelphi or the top D2 school start beating D1 teams? Would have to think they would have an easy go of it with D1 teams ranked 50-110 and would be competitive with some teams above that?
Brooklyn played both Adelphi and Post this fall at Hofstra. 1 goal game against Adelphi, beat post by 3 or 4


Post played their bench for 75% of that game. Post beat Hofstra, Sienna, & Cen. Conn. that day.
So, we are back to square one with this topic. Just be happy where your kid is playing. Must we fight over everything?
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Adelphi still can their team the last two years and this season is very good!


So where would Adelphi or the top D2 school start beating D1 teams? Would have to think they would have an easy go of it with D1 teams ranked 50-110 and would be competitive with some teams above that?
Brooklyn played both Adelphi and Post this fall at Hofstra. 1 goal game against Adelphi, beat post by 3 or 4


Post played their bench for 75% of that game. Post beat Hofstra, Sienna, & Cen. Conn. that day.


Post and Adelphi would win the D1 MAC and Patriot leagues easily. The Post win over Hofstra is against a top 30 team. Anyone can win on any day but it shows the D2 girls can compete. There is nothing wrong with D1 Wagner but D2 and D3 play some nice lax
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Adelphi still can their team the last two years and this season is very good!


So where would Adelphi or the top D2 school start beating D1 teams? Would have to think they would have an easy go of it with D1 teams ranked 50-110 and would be competitive with some teams above that?
Brooklyn played both Adelphi and Post this fall at Hofstra. 1 goal game against Adelphi, beat post by 3 or 4


Post played their bench for 75% of that game. Post beat Hofstra, Sienna, & Cen. Conn. that day.
Hofstra only played there starters for 10% of that game. Cent conn lost to brooklyn by a goal last year.
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Originally Posted by baldbear
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Championship weekend returning to Stony Brook in 2018 - looking forward to it.


Would like to see D3 join them as well. I thought Philly last year was great.


I think parents would be shocked at the high level of lacrosse being played at the top of D3. Many of these teams would blow the doors off lower ranked D1 teams. Lots of club parents seem to have a snobbish opinion when talking about D2 and D3 lax when in reality many of these schools are just flat out better. When Spalina was at Adelphi his teams would have crushed many D1's and competed with most. When you read the earlier post about D1 athletics being a fulltime job 5-6 hours or training a day many should look at D2 and D3
As snobbish as saying you would blow the doors off of a lower D1, whatever makes you feel better though
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Adelphi still can their team the last two years and this season is very good!


So where would Adelphi or the top D2 school start beating D1 teams? Would have to think they would have an easy go of it with D1 teams ranked 50-110 and would be competitive with some teams above that?
Brooklyn played both Adelphi and Post this fall at Hofstra. 1 goal game against Adelphi, beat post by 3 or 4


Post played their bench for 75% of that game. Post beat Hofstra, Sienna, & Cen. Conn. that day.


Post and Adelphi would win the D1 MAC and Patriot leagues easily. The Post win over Hofstra is against a top 30 team. Anyone can win on any day but it shows the D2 girls can compete. There is nothing wrong with D1 Wagner but D2 and D3 play some nice lax


"Easily" winning the Patriot League is a mighty big statement as Loyola (Patriot League champ) was ranked 11th in the country and beat Syracuse, Virginia and Hopkins last year.
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Post played their bench for 75% of that game. Post beat Hofstra, Sienna, & Cen. Conn. that day.


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Post and Adelphi would win the D1 MAC and Patriot leagues easily. The Post win over Hofstra is against a top 30 team. Anyone can win on any day but it shows the D2 girls can compete. There is nothing wrong with D1 Wagner but D2 and D3 play some nice lax


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"Easily" winning the Patriot League is a mighty big statement as Loyola (Patriot League champ) was ranked 11th in the country and beat Syracuse, Virginia and Hopkins last year.
Please don't ruin the delusion that D2 can compete with D1 with facts.
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Adelphi still can their team the last two years and this season is very good!


So where would Adelphi or the top D2 school start beating D1 teams? Would have to think they would have an easy go of it with D1 teams ranked 50-110 and would be competitive with some teams above that?
Brooklyn played both Adelphi and Post this fall at Hofstra. 1 goal game against Adelphi, beat post by 3 or 4


Post played their bench for 75% of that game. Post beat Hofstra, Sienna, & Cen. Conn. that day.


Post and Adelphi would win the D1 MAC and Patriot leagues easily. The Post win over Hofstra is against a top 30 team. Anyone can win on any day but it shows the D2 girls can compete. There is nothing wrong with D1 Wagner but D2 and D3 play some nice lax


The Wagner mention came from left field. Did I miss someone say anything about Wagner?
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Originally Posted by baldbear
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Championship weekend returning to Stony Brook in 2018 - looking forward to it.


Would like to see D3 join them as well. I thought Philly last year was great.


I think parents would be shocked at the high level of lacrosse being played at the top of D3. Many of these teams would blow the doors off lower ranked D1 teams. Lots of club parents seem to have a snobbish opinion when talking about D2 and D3 lax when in reality many of these schools are just flat out better. When Spalina was at Adelphi his teams would have crushed many D1's and competed with most. When you read the earlier post about D1 athletics being a fulltime job 5-6 hours or training a day many should look at D2 and D3


The "snobbishness" around D2 is deserved from an academic point of view. Most D2 schools are pretty [lacrosse] poor academically. D3 has some great academic institutions and strong lax. D3 also allows you to experience college fully, including going abroad for a semester if you choose. D1 and D3 are where it's at. D2 not so much.


Thanks D3 dad.
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Originally Posted by baldbear
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Championship weekend returning to Stony Brook in 2018 - looking forward to it.


Would like to see D3 join them as well. I thought Philly last year was great.


I think parents would be shocked at the high level of lacrosse being played at the top of D3. Many of these teams would blow the doors off lower ranked D1 teams. Lots of club parents seem to have a snobbish opinion when talking about D2 and D3 lax when in reality many of these schools are just flat out better. When Spalina was at Adelphi his teams would have crushed many D1's and competed with most. When you read the earlier post about D1 athletics being a fulltime job 5-6 hours or training a day many should look at D2 and D3


The "snobbishness" around D2 is deserved from an academic point of view. Most D2 schools are pretty [lacrosse] poor academically. D3 has some great academic institutions and strong lax. D3 also allows you to experience college fully, including going abroad for a semester if you choose. D1 and D3 are where it's at. D2 not so much.


Thanks D3 dad.


No. Actually D3 player in my day and D1 parent. Whichever your choice and ability, go for the academics. And those are best at D1 and D3. Not sure how anyone can argue otherwise. Just go to the academic rankings. It's pretty clear. So use lax skill to get into a great school and set yourself up for life.
Did you really say Adelphi or Post could win the patriot league?? U are crazy. No way would that happen.
I think the post was Adelphi (not Post) Adelphi has been a good team for years now and in Fall Ball they only would play D1 programs if possible. I will say it again, when Spallina was there and since they are a very good team and would be a very good D1 team. Many D1 teams can not beat the top D2 or D3 (top 2or 3 ) NOT ALL !!!!
Take academics out of it but if you don't think the best D2 school beats the bottom 50 D1 programs I think you are fooling yourself.
A bunch of surprising outcomes in today's games. A few that stood out to me were:
- Harvard killing Hofstra
- Florida pulling out a win over UNC
- Drexel barely beating Columbia
- Maryland killing Georgetown (expected Terps win, but not by so much)
- Princeton beating Virginia by 7 (expected Tiger win, but not by so much)
- Vermont beating Colgate

I know it's not a men's forum, but also shocking that Hofstra men beat UNC 10-5 after Hofstra graduated a very strong class. Tough day for the Tarheels.

Thoughts?
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A bunch of surprising outcomes in today's games. A few that stood out to me were:
- Harvard killing Hofstra
- Florida pulling out a win over UNC
- Drexel barely beating Columbia
- Maryland killing Georgetown (expected Terps win, but not by so much)
- Princeton beating Virginia by 7 (expected Tiger win, but not by so much)
- Vermont beating Colgate

I know it's not a men's forum, but also shocking that Hofstra men beat UNC 10-5 after Hofstra graduated a very strong class. Tough day for the Tarheels.

Thoughts?


Hofstra only being able to get girls on long island from their own club is going to really come back to burn them. 0-2 and they haven't gotten to the hard part of the schedule.
No I don't think they do, maybe the bottom 10
Hofstra is talented, but very young. St times today there were 8 sophomores and freshmen on the field for the Pride. I suspect they will gel as the season progresses and win their fair share of games. But I'm really looking forward to next year.
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A bunch of surprising outcomes in today's games. A few that stood out to me were:
- Harvard killing Hofstra
- Florida pulling out a win over UNC
- Drexel barely beating Columbia
- Maryland killing Georgetown (expected Terps win, but not by so much)
- Princeton beating Virginia by 7 (expected Tiger win, but not by so much)
- Vermont beating Colgate

I know it's not a men's forum, but also shocking that Hofstra men beat UNC 10-5 after Hofstra graduated a very strong class. Tough day for the Tarheels.

Thoughts?



Some good matches today:

Boston College Vs Notre Dame
Stanford Vs Ohio State
JMU Vs UCon

All outcomes will impact the Top 20.

After yesterday my top 10:

1. Maryland
2. Florida
3. Syracuse
4. North Carolina
5. Penn State
6. Boston College
7. Princeton
8. Southern Cal
9. Notre Dame
10. ?????????? Virginia, Stony Brook, Stanford, Louisville, UConn, Ohio State ?????
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A bunch of surprising outcomes in today's games. A few that stood out to me were:
- Harvard killing Hofstra
- Florida pulling out a win over UNC
- Drexel barely beating Columbia
- Maryland killing Georgetown (expected Terps win, but not by so much)
- Princeton beating Virginia by 7 (expected Tiger win, but not by so much)
- Vermont beating Colgate

I know it's not a men's forum, but also shocking that Hofstra men beat UNC 10-5 after Hofstra graduated a very strong class. Tough day for the Tarheels.

Thoughts?



Some good matches today:

Boston College Vs Notre Dame
Stanford Vs Ohio State
JMU Vs UCon

All outcomes will impact the Top 20.

After yesterday my top 10:

1. Maryland
2. Florida
3. Syracuse
4. North Carolina
5. Penn State
6. Boston College
7. Princeton
8. Southern Cal
9. Notre Dame
10. ?????????? Virginia, Stony Brook, Stanford, Louisville, UConn, Ohio State ?????


So u have NU at least 17th. Please.
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A bunch of surprising outcomes in today's games. A few that stood out to me were:
- Harvard killing Hofstra
- Florida pulling out a win over UNC
- Drexel barely beating Columbia
- Maryland killing Georgetown (expected Terps win, but not by so much)
- Princeton beating Virginia by 7 (expected Tiger win, but not by so much)
- Vermont beating Colgate

I know it's not a men's forum, but also shocking that Hofstra men beat UNC 10-5 after Hofstra graduated a very strong class. Tough day for the Tarheels.

Thoughts?



Some good matches today:

Boston College Vs Notre Dame
Stanford Vs Ohio State
JMU Vs UCon

All outcomes will impact the Top 20.

After yesterday my top 10:

1. Maryland
2. Florida
3. Syracuse
4. North Carolina
5. Penn State
6. Boston College
7. Princeton
8. Southern Cal
9. Notre Dame
10. ?????????? Virginia, Stony Brook, Stanford, Louisville, UConn, Ohio State ?????


So u have NU at least 17th. Please.


and you can move ND up and drop BC out of top 10.
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A bunch of surprising outcomes in today's games. A few that stood out to me were:
- Harvard killing Hofstra
- Florida pulling out a win over UNC
- Drexel barely beating Columbia
- Maryland killing Georgetown (expected Terps win, but not by so much)
- Princeton beating Virginia by 7 (expected Tiger win, but not by so much)
- Vermont beating Colgate

I know it's not a men's forum, but also shocking that Hofstra men beat UNC 10-5 after Hofstra graduated a very strong class. Tough day for the Tarheels.

Thoughts?



Some good matches today:

Boston College Vs Notre Dame
Stanford Vs Ohio State
JMU Vs UCon

All outcomes will impact the Top 20.

After yesterday my top 10:

1. Maryland
2. Florida
3. Syracuse
4. North Carolina
5. Penn State
6. Boston College
7. Princeton
8. Southern Cal
9. Notre Dame
10. ?????????? Virginia, Stony Brook, Stanford, Louisville, UConn, Ohio State ?????


So u have NU at least 17th. Please.


and you can move ND up and drop BC out of top 10.


Yes , I will. ND with a nice win. NU certainly in the mix with the teams listed. But duke win no longer looks impressive and loss to virginia doesn't look so good so based on games played and performance they are certainly not top 10 right now.

nobody cares about your top 10 that you push your daughters team up in. Coaches and media poll matter
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nobody cares about your top 10 that you push your daughters team up in. Coaches and media poll matter


Yeah, the coaches and the media are not biased at all.
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nobody cares about your top 10 that you push your daughters team up in. Coaches and media poll matter


Wow very sour, how about refute or make a case for another team. Is that so hard?
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A bunch of surprising outcomes in today's games. A few that stood out to me were:
- Harvard killing Hofstra
- Florida pulling out a win over UNC
- Drexel barely beating Columbia
- Maryland killing Georgetown (expected Terps win, but not by so much)
- Princeton beating Virginia by 7 (expected Tiger win, but not by so much)
- Vermont beating Colgate

I know it's not a men's forum, but also shocking that Hofstra men beat UNC 10-5 after Hofstra graduated a very strong class. Tough day for the Tarheels.

Thoughts?


Hofstra only being able to get girls on long island from their own club is going to really come back to burn them. 0-2 and they haven't gotten to the hard part of the schedule.


Already hearing about verbals meeting with other coaches. And the walls, come tumbling down...
Why would girls trade one 20 something team for another. No one on hofstra is going to a team that will compete for a national championship
Poll # 2 ... and I don't care if you don't care.

1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Penn State
7. Princeton
8. Stanford
9. Southern Cal
10. Hopkins
11. UVA
12. Northwestern
13. Boston College
14. Duke
15. Stony Brook
16. Penn
17. Louisville
18. UConn
19. Towson
20. Loyola
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A bunch of surprising outcomes in today's games. A few that stood out to me were:
- Harvard killing Hofstra
- Florida pulling out a win over UNC
- Drexel barely beating Columbia
- Maryland killing Georgetown (expected Terps win, but not by so much)
- Princeton beating Virginia by 7 (expected Tiger win, but not by so much)
- Vermont beating Colgate

I know it's not a men's forum, but also shocking that Hofstra men beat UNC 10-5 after Hofstra graduated a very strong class. Tough day for the Tarheels.

Thoughts?


Hofstra only being able to get girls on long island from their own club is going to really come back to burn them. 0-2 and they haven't gotten to the hard part of the schedule.


Already hearing about verbals meeting with other coaches. And the walls, come tumbling down...
...says a YJ parent.
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Poll # 2 ... and I don't care if you don't care.

1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Penn State
7. Princeton
8. Stanford
9. Southern Cal
10. Hopkins
11. UVA
12. Northwestern
13. Boston College
14. Duke
15. Stony Brook
16. Penn
17. Louisville
18. UConn
19. Towson
20. Loyola


Hopkins too high. Stanford too high. James Madison should be in there,
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A bunch of surprising outcomes in today's games. A few that stood out to me were:
- Harvard killing Hofstra
- Florida pulling out a win over UNC
- Drexel barely beating Columbia
- Maryland killing Georgetown (expected Terps win, but not by so much)
- Princeton beating Virginia by 7 (expected Tiger win, but not by so much)
- Vermont beating Colgate

I know it's not a men's forum, but also shocking that Hofstra men beat UNC 10-5 after Hofstra graduated a very strong class. Tough day for the Tarheels.

Thoughts?


Hofstra only being able to get girls on long island from their own club is going to really come back to burn them. 0-2 and they haven't gotten to the hard part of the schedule.


Already hearing about verbals meeting with other coaches. And the walls, come tumbling down...

The girls at Sacred Heart are saying SS cousin who was committed to Hofstra is talking to other coaches and has already de-committed.
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Poll # 2 ... and I don't care if you don't care.

1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Penn State
7. Princeton
8. Stanford
9. Southern Cal
10. Hopkins
11. UVA
12. Northwestern
13. Boston College
14. Duke
15. Stony Brook
16. Penn
17. Louisville
18. UConn
19. Towson
20. Loyola


Hopkins too high. Stanford too high. James Madison should be in there,


You might be right about Hopkins. Who would you put above Stanford? JMU just lost to Uconn.

Some big games this week.
upenn and SB should be ahead of Duke and UVA Those two teams(UVA and Duke) get so much leeway in these polls. SB started at 7 you don't fall to 15 having not played a game. Albany also was ranked and is out having not played. It's very clear your agenda Also Hopkins was 17/18 beat a very poor Rutgers team and went up to top 10 it's great if you do a poll but do it right
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upenn and SB should be ahead of Duke and UVA Those two teams(UVA and Duke) get so much leeway in these polls. SB started at 7 you don't fall to 15 having not played a game. Albany also was ranked and is out having not played. It's very clear your agenda Also Hopkins was 17/18 beat a very poor Rutgers team and went up to top 10 it's great if you do a poll but do it right


No agenda. Stony Brook and Albany have not played a game yet. Penn played one game against a team not in any top 20.

Trying to reward teams for winning and playing top competition. I kept Loyola in at 0 - 2 because they lost to Florida and Syracuse (could be 2 - 0 against weak competition). Loyola's next four games are against Hopkins, Towson, Penn State and Virginia. That is a challenging first six games. They also have Georgetown, Boston College and Princeton thats 9 tough out of conference games.

Tough to keep SBU or Albany ahead of teams who have played 2 or 3 game against quality opponents. I'm sure there will be plenty of movement over the next few weeks as teams play more games.

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upenn and SB should be ahead of Duke and UVA Those two teams(UVA and Duke) get so much leeway in these polls. SB started at 7 you don't fall to 15 having not played a game. Albany also was ranked and is out having not played. It's very clear your agenda Also Hopkins was 17/18 beat a very poor Rutgers team and went up to top 10 it's great if you do a poll but do it right


"Do it right" do you mean like the Media Poll on the boys side? The one who just ranked North Carolina ahead of Hofstra after Hofstra beat UNC 10 - 5? At this point in the season there is a limited body of work. Head to head should carry more weight.
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Why would girls trade one 20 something team for another. No one on hofstra is going to a team that will compete for a national championship


Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you go to school for an education and maybe a great environment/experience?
You are not trading a "20 something team", you are trading one University for another to prepare you for the rest of your life.
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A bunch of surprising outcomes in today's games. A few that stood out to me were:
- Harvard killing Hofstra
- Florida pulling out a win over UNC
- Drexel barely beating Columbia
- Maryland killing Georgetown (expected Terps win, but not by so much)
- Princeton beating Virginia by 7 (expected Tiger win, but not by so much)
- Vermont beating Colgate

I know it's not a men's forum, but also shocking that Hofstra men beat UNC 10-5 after Hofstra graduated a very strong class. Tough day for the Tarheels.

Thoughts?


Hofstra only being able to get girls on long island from their own club is going to really come back to burn them. 0-2 and they haven't gotten to the hard part of the schedule.


Already hearing about verbals meeting with other coaches. And the walls, come tumbling down...

The girls at Sacred Heart are saying SS cousin who was committed to Hofstra is talking to other coaches and has already de-committed.


How would they know she doesn't attend SH anymore. Just asking
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A bunch of surprising outcomes in today's games. A few that stood out to me were:
- Harvard killing Hofstra
- Florida pulling out a win over UNC
- Drexel barely beating Columbia
- Maryland killing Georgetown (expected Terps win, but not by so much)
- Princeton beating Virginia by 7 (expected Tiger win, but not by so much)
- Vermont beating Colgate

I know it's not a men's forum, but also shocking that Hofstra men beat UNC 10-5 after Hofstra graduated a very strong class. Tough day for the Tarheels.

Thoughts?


Hofstra only being able to get girls on long island from their own club is going to really come back to burn them. 0-2 and they haven't gotten to the hard part of the schedule.


Already hearing about verbals meeting with other coaches. And the walls, come tumbling down...

The girls at Sacred Heart are saying SS cousin who was committed to Hofstra is talking to other coaches and has already de-committed.


How would they know she doesn't attend SH anymore. Just asking

She still has friends on the team and has communicated as much. She herself has said that she didn't want to play for her cousin SS anymore in club going back to her freshman year. She wanted to go to YJ and her family wouldn't let her.
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A bunch of surprising outcomes in today's games. A few that stood out to me were:
- Harvard killing Hofstra
- Florida pulling out a win over UNC
- Drexel barely beating Columbia
- Maryland killing Georgetown (expected Terps win, but not by so much)
- Princeton beating Virginia by 7 (expected Tiger win, but not by so much)
- Vermont beating Colgate

I know it's not a men's forum, but also shocking that Hofstra men beat UNC 10-5 after Hofstra graduated a very strong class. Tough day for the Tarheels.

Thoughts?


Hofstra only being able to get girls on long island from their own club is going to really come back to burn them. 0-2 and they haven't gotten to the hard part of the schedule.


Already hearing about verbals meeting with other coaches. And the walls, come tumbling down...

The girls at Sacred Heart are saying SS cousin who was committed to Hofstra is talking to other coaches and has already de-committed.


How would they know she doesn't attend SH anymore. Just asking

Still has friends on the team whom she talks and complain to.
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A bunch of surprising outcomes in today's games. A few that stood out to me were:
- Harvard killing Hofstra
- Florida pulling out a win over UNC
- Drexel barely beating Columbia
- Maryland killing Georgetown (expected Terps win, but not by so much)
- Princeton beating Virginia by 7 (expected Tiger win, but not by so much)
- Vermont beating Colgate

I know it's not a men's forum, but also shocking that Hofstra men beat UNC 10-5 after Hofstra graduated a very strong class. Tough day for the Tarheels.

Thoughts?


Hofstra only being able to get girls on long island from their own club is going to really come back to burn them. 0-2 and they haven't gotten to the hard part of the schedule.


Already hearing about verbals meeting with other coaches. And the walls, come tumbling down...

The girls at Sacred Heart are saying SS cousin who was committed to Hofstra is talking to other coaches and has already de-committed.


How would they know she doesn't attend SH anymore. Just asking

She still has friends on the team and has communicated as much. She herself has said that she didn't want to play for her cousin SS anymore in club going back to her freshman year. She wanted to go to YJ and her family wouldn't let
her.


What a shame could turn her off to the game completely.
Wait, Hofstra won the CAA regular season title last year. Lost an AA, and almost AA defender and a very good senior goalie. This year they started off 0 - 2. Based upon the last game, they start only (3) seniors with the majority of the others sophomores & freshman. I would expect them to be perhaps a sub .500 team to be honest.

Based upon these facts everyone is bailing on the program? This is a work in progress and expect a bumpy ride. Instead of bashing how about throw some support their way
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait, Hofstra won the CAA regular season title last year. Lost an AA, and almost AA defender and a very good senior goalie. This year they started off 0 - 2. Based upon the last game, they start only (3) seniors with the majority of the others sophomores & freshman. I would expect them to be perhaps a sub .500 team to be honest.

Based upon these facts everyone is bailing on the program? This is a work in progress and expect a bumpy ride. Instead of bashing how about throw some support their way

BUt this is her fourth year and her first year with all her own recruits. If this is how she recruits, the program is in trouble.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait, Hofstra won the CAA regular season title last year. Lost an AA, and almost AA defender and a very good senior goalie. This year they started off 0 - 2. Based upon the last game, they start only (3) seniors with the majority of the others sophomores & freshman. I would expect them to be perhaps a sub .500 team to be honest.

Based upon these facts everyone is bailing on the program? This is a work in progress and expect a bumpy ride. Instead of bashing how about throw some support their way


The majority of the people bashing Hofstra are mostly YJ lemmings. I'm not worried about ANYTHING they say. You are correct...HU is VERY young. SS will coach them up well, and along with next years class I think they will be very good next year or the year after. And, overall, the CAA is a little down this year. Its cyclical ( for you YJ lemmings, that means there will be highs and lows). JMU is 1-2. It happens. SS will build. Hofstra will be fine in the long run. YJ pukes.
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A bunch of surprising outcomes in today's games. A few that stood out to me were:
- Harvard killing Hofstra
- Florida pulling out a win over UNC
- Drexel barely beating Columbia
- Maryland killing Georgetown (expected Terps win, but not by so much)
- Princeton beating Virginia by 7 (expected Tiger win, but not by so much)
- Vermont beating Colgate

I know it's not a men's forum, but also shocking that Hofstra men beat UNC 10-5 after Hofstra graduated a very strong class. Tough day for the Tarheels.

Thoughts?


Hofstra only being able to get girls on long island from their own club is going to really come back to burn them. 0-2 and they haven't gotten to the hard part of the schedule.


Already hearing about verbals meeting with other coaches. And the walls, come tumbling down...

The girls at Sacred Heart are saying SS cousin who was committed to Hofstra is talking to other coaches and has already de-committed.


How would they know she doesn't attend SH anymore. Just asking

She still has friends on the team and has communicated as much. She herself has said that she didn't want to play for her cousin SS anymore in club going back to her freshman year. She wanted to go to YJ and her family wouldn't let her.


There is very limited room at YJ for goalies in this age group. A couple of the top goalies in the age group left TG to get a fair shake with YJ's. Although you would think CR would love to swing that trade, it will never happen. Lacrosse is a few years of a girls life, not worth the family rift it would create that would last far longer than a lacrosse career.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait, Hofstra won the CAA regular season title last year. Lost an AA, and almost AA defender and a very good senior goalie. This year they started off 0 - 2. Based upon the last game, they start only (3) seniors with the majority of the others sophomores & freshman. I would expect them to be perhaps a sub .500 team to be honest.

Based upon these facts everyone is bailing on the program? This is a work in progress and expect a bumpy ride. Instead of bashing how about throw some support their way


The majority of the people bashing Hofstra are mostly YJ lemmings. I'm not worried about ANYTHING they say. You are correct...HU is VERY young. SS will coach them up well, and along with next years class I think they will be very good next year or the year after. And, overall, the CAA is a little down this year. Its cyclical ( for you YJ lemmings, that means there will be highs and lows). JMU is 1-2. It happens. SS will build. Hofstra will be fine in the long run. YJ pukes.


HA HA HA, Bet your kid plays for TG.
Do any of you people who continue to bash one collegiate program or another understand how difficult it is play a sport at any level in college ? I highly doubt it. In fact I would bet that none of you are parents of student athletes. If you are I would urge you to pick up the phone call your daughter and ask. listen to your athlete carefully and then decide if you still feel compelled to bash other young women like your daughter whom are very passionate about something they love. Whether at D1,2 or 3, Jr college or club these young women should be celebrated and congratulated.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do any of you people who continue to bash one collegiate program or another understand how difficult it is play a sport at any level in college ? I highly doubt it. In fact I would bet that none of you are parents of student athletes. If you are I would urge you to pick up the phone call your daughter and ask. listen to your athlete carefully and then decide if you still feel compelled to bash other young women like your daughter whom are very passionate about something they love. Whether at D1,2 or 3, Jr college or club these young women should be celebrated and congratulated.


I think its the coach. not the players that is being bashed
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait, Hofstra won the CAA regular season title last year. Lost an AA, and almost AA defender and a very good senior goalie. This year they started off 0 - 2. Based upon the last game, they start only (3) seniors with the majority of the others sophomores & freshman. I would expect them to be perhaps a sub .500 team to be honest.

Based upon these facts everyone is bailing on the program? This is a work in progress and expect a bumpy ride. Instead of bashing how about throw some support their way


The majority of the people bashing Hofstra are mostly YJ lemmings. I'm not worried about ANYTHING they say. You are correct...HU is VERY young. SS will coach them up well, and along with next years class I think they will be very good next year or the year after. And, overall, the CAA is a little down this year. Its cyclical ( for you YJ lemmings, that means there will be highs and lows). JMU is 1-2. It happens. SS will build. Hofstra will be fine in the long run. YJ pukes.


HA HA HA, Bet your kid plays for TG.


No...my daughter does not play for TG. We don't even live in NY. I just happen to know the YJ agenda: Bash EVERYTHING that is considered a threat. Since HU is coacheD by a TG person, YJ lemmings feel it is necessary to belittle them. Its a rather egotistical, childish approach. I find it very unique. Over my many years as a club parent I would say the YJ parental units were the most obnoxious, loud, belittling, rules-ignorant, egotistical, etc, etc that I have ever encountered. One of the perks of my daughter being finished with her club career is that I do not have to listen to them anymore. Halleluja!
Hofstra will be fine. SS is a good coach.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do any of you people who continue to bash one collegiate program or another understand how difficult it is play a sport at any level in college ? I highly doubt it. In fact I would bet that none of you are parents of student athletes. If you are I would urge you to pick up the phone call your daughter and ask. listen to your athlete carefully and then decide if you still feel compelled to bash other young women like your daughter whom are very passionate about something they love. Whether at D1,2 or 3, Jr college or club these young women should be celebrated and congratulated.


I think its the coach. not the players that is being bashed


Agreed. YJ parents have made it their lifetime job to bash SS.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Poll # 2 ... and I don't care if you don't care.

1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Penn State
7. Princeton
8. Stanford
9. Southern Cal
10. Hopkins
11. UVA
12. Northwestern
13. Boston College
14. Duke
15. Stony Brook
16. Penn
17. Louisville
18. UConn
19. Towson
20. Loyola


Hopkins too high. Stanford too high. James Madison should be in there,


You might be right about Hopkins. Who would you put above Stanford? JMU just lost to Uconn.

Some big games this week.


Yeah ... i dunno maybe JMU ahead of Towson/Loyola?

I think Stanford is a top 15 but not top 10 program. I would not drop NU below 10 despite the loss to UVA. I guess I don't put quite so much emphasis on the results to date for some teams, while others I agree show some real value. But admittedly I'm talking about where I think these teams will be in the second half of the season. NU for instance likely loses to SYR and will 1-2. But I still think they are a top 10 team. We shall see.
IWLCA Poll for Division I, February 22
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 2-0 400 20 1
2 Syracuse 4-0 375 3
3 Florida 3-0 344 8
4 North Carolina 3-1 338 2
5 Northwestern 1-1 279 6
6 Penn State 2-0 276 7
7 Virginia 1-1 268 4
7 Notre Dame 3-0 268 11
9 Princeton 1-0 262 12
10 Duke 2-2 223 5
11 Stony Brook 0-0 198 10
12 Southern California 2-0 180 19
13 Penn 1-0 153 13
14 Stanford 2-1 129 14
15 Boston College 2-1 124 9
16 Johns Hopkins 3-0 118 15
17 Louisville 3-0 91 17
18 Ohio State 2-1 54 16
19 Loyola 0-2 53 18
20 Connecticut 2-0 21 NR
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do any of you people who continue to bash one collegiate program or another understand how difficult it is play a sport at any level in college ? I highly doubt it. In fact I would bet that none of you are parents of student athletes. If you are I would urge you to pick up the phone call your daughter and ask. listen to your athlete carefully and then decide if you still feel compelled to bash other young women like your daughter whom are very passionate about something they love. Whether at D1,2 or 3, Jr college or club these young women should be celebrated and congratulated.


I think its the coach. not the players that is being bashed


Agreed. YJ parents have made it their lifetime job to bash SS.


Is it because the best and most successful player YJ ever had left to do her own thing and didn't come back into the fold?

IWLCA Poll for Division II, February 22
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 1-0 398 19 1
2 Le Moyne 0-0 379 1 2
3 Lindenwood 2-0 360 3
4 New Haven 0-0 336 4
5 LIU Post 0-0 315 6
6 Rollins 1-0 278 6
7 Lock Haven 0-0 256 8
8 Stonehill 0-0 247 9
9 Limestone 3-0 242 11
10 West Chester 0-0 224 10
11 Grand Valley State 1-1 198 15
12 Florida Southern 0-1 185 5
13 Mercyhurst 1-0 163 13
14 Mount Olive 5-0 154 12
15 Seton Hill 0-0 131 14
16 Queens 1-0 116 16
17 Dowling 0-0 79 17
18 Bentley 0-0 69 18
19 Regis (CO) 1-0 38 19
20 Saint Anselm 0-0 21 20
IWLCA Poll for Division III, February 1
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Cortland 0-0 400 20
2 Trinity (CT) 0-0 369
3 Franklin & Marshall 0-0 368
4 Middlebury 0-0 339
5 College of NJ 0-0 309
6 Gettysburg 0-0 270
7 Catholic (DC) 0-0 262
8 [lacrosse] 0-0 242
9 Salisbury 0-0 237
10 Bowdoin 0-0 219
11 Tufts 0-0 198
12 Amherst 0-0 161
13 Hamilton 0-0 145
14 Messiah 0-0 110
15 Fredonia 0-0 106
16 Washington & Lee 0-0 104
17 Colby 0-0 89
18 Geneseo 0-0 54
19 St. John Fisher 0-0 49
20 Union 0-0 37
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do any of you people who continue to bash one collegiate program or another understand how difficult it is play a sport at any level in college ? I highly doubt it. In fact I would bet that none of you are parents of student athletes. If you are I would urge you to pick up the phone call your daughter and ask. listen to your athlete carefully and then decide if you still feel compelled to bash other young women like your daughter whom are very passionate about something they love. Whether at D1,2 or 3, Jr college or club these young women should be celebrated and congratulated.


I think its the coach. not the players that is being bashed


Agreed. YJ parents have made it their lifetime job to bash SS.


Is it because the best and most successful player YJ ever had left to do her own thing and didn't come back into the fold?


I think you're correct.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do any of you people who continue to bash one collegiate program or another understand how difficult it is play a sport at any level in college ? I highly doubt it. In fact I would bet that none of you are parents of student athletes. If you are I would urge you to pick up the phone call your daughter and ask. listen to your athlete carefully and then decide if you still feel compelled to bash other young women like your daughter whom are very passionate about something they love. Whether at D1,2 or 3, Jr college or club these young women should be celebrated and congratulated.


I think its the coach. not the players that is being bashed


Agreed. YJ parents have made it their lifetime job to bash SS.


Is it because the best and most successful player YJ ever had left to do her own thing and didn't come back into the fold?


Another example of a director keeping a huge piece of the pie. Good thing she lets her coaches train on the side because she pays all the college girls peanuts. Just like the parents following the YJ's, there are tons of girls looking to go back and coach for her. They all deserve more but the YJ's have an unlimited supply of future coaches so she can pay whatever she wants. SS should have been locked up with the YJ's
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do any of you people who continue to bash one collegiate program or another understand how difficult it is play a sport at any level in college ? I highly doubt it. In fact I would bet that none of you are parents of student athletes. If you are I would urge you to pick up the phone call your daughter and ask. listen to your athlete carefully and then decide if you still feel compelled to bash other young women like your daughter whom are very passionate about something they love. Whether at D1,2 or 3, Jr college or club these young women should be youlebrated and congratulated.


Most of you do not have any idea how difficult it is in this environment to be a NCAA Athlete on any level. D-1 and D-2 programs will own your daughter once she steps on campus. The recruiting process they will tell you we only practice a couple of hours a couple of days a week in the Fall and ramp it up once they come back to school after Xmas break. Here is the reality......Your daughter will start her days Monday- Saturday at 5:30 am for alternating workouts / training for 2 hours then she will have 20 min to run to class. Go straight from two classes to a 1.5 hour team practice. then run to her dorm to shower , grab a bite to eat then off to a 2 hour study hall or team meeting. Now that goes on for the entire Fall semester. So six days a week with every day going something like this.... Wake up, train, class, class, eat, practice, shower, eat , study hall, homework, sleep. Make sure your daughter can handle that schedule before you push her into something many of you could not handle.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do any of you people who continue to bash one collegiate program or another understand how difficult it is play a sport at any level in college ? I highly doubt it. In fact I would bet that none of you are parents of student athletes. If you are I would urge you to pick up the phone call your daughter and ask. listen to your athlete carefully and then decide if you still feel compelled to bash other young women like your daughter whom are very passionate about something they love. Whether at D1,2 or 3, Jr college or club these young women should be youlebrated and congratulated.


Most of you do not have any idea how difficult it is in this environment to be a NCAA Athlete on any level. D-1 and D-2 programs will own your daughter once she steps on campus. The recruiting process they will tell you we only practice a couple of hours a couple of days a week in the Fall and ramp it up once they come back to school after Xmas break. Here is the reality......Your daughter will start her days Monday- Saturday at 5:30 am for alternating workouts / training for 2 hours then she will have 20 min to run to class. Go straight from two classes to a 1.5 hour team practice. then run to her dorm to shower , grab a bite to eat then off to a 2 hour study hall or team meeting. Now that goes on for the entire Fall semester. So six days a week with every day going something like this.... Wake up, train, class, class, eat, practice, shower, eat , study hall, homework, sleep. Make sure your daughter can handle that schedule before you push her into something many of you could not handle.


Accurate and very true.
Big programs have their girls for 5-6 hours per day 6 days a week and then they have to still stay eligible academically. Even though only a handful of teams have a chance at the national championship all the programs train like they do so just because you are going to a mid ranked team, don't think the commitment falls off
Sounds brutal, don't know how 3000+ girls do it in D1 alone
Yeah, will leave no time for lying around dorm room getting high and drinking beer....too bad.
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Sounds brutal, don't know how 3000+ girls do it in D1 alone


Women probably handle it better than the boys...certainly more mature at this age.
Sorry but you cant have it both ways when SS took over Hofstra the TG faithful were saying she would have them competing for a national title in 4-5 years, TG would be the top program on LI etc.. Seems like its going the opposite way. Difficult for her to attract the top talent from out of state and say what you want but YJ players just do not want to go there, she has an impossible road ahead.With the depleted talent pool of TG exactly where is she going to get her players from. I think SS could be an excellent coach but if you want to be a successful LI D1 program doing it without YJ is not easy. Remember the days when people were comparing Stony Brook with Hofstra.
Agree 100%
Women probably handle it better than the boys...certainly more mature at this age.


You never hear the equivalent of "lax bro" for girls, do you?!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do any of you people who continue to bash one collegiate program or another understand how difficult it is play a sport at any level in college ? I highly doubt it. In fact I would bet that none of you are parents of student athletes. If you are I would urge you to pick up the phone call your daughter and ask. listen to your athlete carefully and then decide if you still feel compelled to bash other young women like your daughter whom are very passionate about something they love. Whether at D1,2 or 3, Jr college or club these young women should be youlebrated and congratulated.


Most of you do not have any idea how difficult it is in this environment to be a NCAA Athlete on any level. D-1 and D-2 programs will own your daughter once she steps on campus. The recruiting process they will tell you we only practice a couple of hours a couple of days a week in the Fall and ramp it up once they come back to school after Xmas break. Here is the reality......Your daughter will start her days Monday- Saturday at 5:30 am for alternating workouts / training for 2 hours then she will have 20 min to run to class. Go straight from two classes to a 1.5 hour team practice. then run to her dorm to shower , grab a bite to eat then off to a 2 hour study hall or team meeting. Now that goes on for the entire Fall semester. So six days a week with every day going something like this.... Wake up, train, class, class, eat, practice, shower, eat , study hall, homework, sleep. Make sure your daughter can handle that schedule before you push her into something many of you could not handle.


Accurate and very true.


I'll add my two cents. D1/2 also leaves no time for other activities that the student may want to get involved in. This includes studying abroad. It is a huge commitment. Just over 50% of D1/2 students play four years of lacrosse. I'm following a 2013 club class and each year there are less students playing. Forget about students who are trying for difficult degrees.
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Originally Posted by The Hop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do any of you people who continue to bash one collegiate program or another understand how difficult it is play a sport at any level in college ? I highly doubt it. In fact I would bet that none of you are parents of student athletes. If you are I would urge you to pick up the phone call your daughter and ask. listen to your athlete carefully and then decide if you still feel compelled to bash other young women like your daughter whom are very passionate about something they love. Whether at D1,2 or 3, Jr college or club these young women should be youlebrated and congratulated.


Most of you do not have any idea how difficult it is in this environment to be a NCAA Athlete on any level. D-1 and D-2 programs will own your daughter once she steps on campus. The recruiting process they will tell you we only practice a couple of hours a couple of days a week in the Fall and ramp it up once they come back to school after Xmas break. Here is the reality......Your daughter will start her days Monday- Saturday at 5:30 am for alternating workouts / training for 2 hours then she will have 20 min to run to class. Go straight from two classes to a 1.5 hour team practice. then run to her dorm to shower , grab a bite to eat then off to a 2 hour study hall or team meeting. Now that goes on for the entire Fall semester. So six days a week with every day going something like this.... Wake up, train, class, class, eat, practice, shower, eat , study hall, homework, sleep. Make sure your daughter can handle that schedule before you push her into something many of you could not handle.


Accurate and very true.


I'll add my two cents. D1/2 also leaves no time for other activities that the student may want to get involved in. This includes studying abroad. It is a huge commitment. Just over 50% of D1/2 students play four years of lacrosse. I'm following a 2013 club class and each year there are less students playing. Forget about students who are trying for difficult degrees.


In my kids school she was told what she could major in
So are you all saying these coaches blatantly lie. My kid is going thru the recruiting process now and every coach has said they can do a study abroad program (may have to be over the summer). They also say that they can major in anything they want pointing out kids who are premed, engineering etc on their teams.
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So are you all saying these coaches blatantly lie. My kid is going thru the recruiting process now and every coach has said they can do a study abroad program (may have to be over the summer). They also say that they can major in anything they want pointing out kids who are premed, engineering etc on their teams.


Summer abroad is possible and done. Tough majors are possible, despite what all these naysayers say. It is very difficult tho. So very few can handle it. PreMed typically has to take summer classes to get labs done. But on the strong lax programs w strong academics (NU, ND, STAN etc) there are current examples you can look to to say it can be done. At both NU and ND there are top starters that are premed and engineering. Stanford has a few but none are important players on the team currently. I'm sure as you comb through other rosters you will find a few. It is certainly the minority, but if your daughter is disciplined and academically gifted, it is possible and would be a great accomplishment.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So are you all saying these coaches blatantly lie. My kid is going thru the recruiting process now and every coach has said they can do a study abroad program (may have to be over the summer). They also say that they can major in anything they want pointing out kids who are premed, engineering etc on their teams.


Summer abroad is possible and done. Tough majors are possible, despite what all these naysayers say. It is very difficult tho. So very few can handle it. PreMed typically has to take summer classes to get labs done. But on the strong lax programs w strong academics (NU, ND, STAN etc) there are current examples you can look to to say it can be done. At both NU and ND there are top starters that are premed and engineering. Stanford has a few but none are important players on the team currently. I'm sure as you comb through other rosters you will find a few. It is certainly the minority, but if your daughter is disciplined and academically gifted, it is possible and would be a great accomplishment.


For the lax studs or top academic girls any major is possible but coaches would rather not have to deal with difficult majors. Very few coaches will accept mid roster players to miss practices and travel so they can intern or go to a hospital as part of their major. Don't let a coach talk you into a major keep looking because you can find the right school
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Sorry but you cant have it both ways when SS took over Hofstra the TG faithful were saying she would have them competing for a national title in 4-5 years, TG would be the top program on LI etc.. Seems like its going the opposite way. Difficult for her to attract the top talent from out of state and say what you want but YJ players just do not want to go there, she has an impossible road ahead.With the depleted talent pool of TG exactly where is she going to get her players from. I think SS could be an excellent coach but if you want to be a successful LI D1 program doing it without YJ is not easy. Remember the days when people were comparing Stony Brook with Hofstra.

Between her and her father they are alienating people all over the Long Island Lax community. I think its the father more that SS. He is constantly bad mouthing other coaches at other organizations, HS's and other people who are solid people in third community. Heck he even bumped a club directors daughter because a bunch of girls from their town left TG and the
Director wouldn't talk to the families for BS. Telling TG girls and their families not to trust so and so. He should keep his mouth shut because I'm his own words "he's to stupid to remember who he lied to", and he also is too stupid to remember whom he talked smack about. He has already bad mouthed a Hofstra Alum who has donated a lot of time and money to help build "The Mack". That person has already taken up the issue with the school admim. BS no longer allowed at Pride Club events. Not a good situation.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So are you all saying these coaches blatantly lie. My kid is going thru the recruiting process now and every coach has said they can do a study abroad program (may have to be over the summer). They also say that they can major in anything they want pointing out kids who are premed, engineering etc on their teams.


Some will let a student to take summer courses abroad. What I'm referring to is a semester abroad--which is very different than summer classes.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Poll # 2 ... and I don't care if you don't care.

1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Penn State
7. Princeton
8. Stanford
9. Southern Cal
10. Hopkins
11. UVA
12. Northwestern
13. Boston College
14. Duke
15. Stony Brook
16. Penn
17. Louisville
18. UConn
19. Towson
20. Loyola


Louisville at 4 - 0 will have a chance to prove themselves very soon. Next for games: Boston College, Notre Dame, Northwestern and Duke.
these are just a few of the endless examples of how bad the sportsmanship, behavior, and level of class (hint-- really low class) the whole lax Mom / Dad community is. the arrogance and selfishness these parents & coaches display is a disgrace..
I just took a quick look at the Hofstra roster. 32 players were in the team picture and 30 are listed on the roster. Only 2 quit, which is typical of any college team. Every sport has players quit every year. Not newsworthy.
Also, I looked at the makeup of their roster. 4 seniors, 4 juniors, 11 sophomores and 11 freshmen. There have been occasions this season when HU had 8 or 9 freshmen/sophomores and the field. Incredible. Considering how tough it is to win games, if the Pride finish the season at .500 I think most would consider the season a success. Then, wait for next year. All of that experience plus a solid incoming freshman class bodes well for the future for HU wlax.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just took a quick look at the Hofstra roster. 32 players were in the team picture and 30 are listed on the roster. Only 2 quit, which is typical of any college team. Every sport has players quit every year. Not newsworthy.
Also, I looked at the makeup of their roster. 4 seniors, 4 juniors, 11 sophomores and 11 freshmen. There have been occasions this season when HU had 8 or 9 freshmen/sophomores and the field. Incredible. Considering how tough it is to win games, if the Pride finish the season at .500 I think most would consider the season a success. Then, wait for next year. All of that experience plus a solid incoming freshman class bodes well for the future for HU wlax.


says you!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just took a quick look at the Hofstra roster. 32 players were in the team picture and 30 are listed on the roster. Only 2 quit, which is typical of any college team. Every sport has players quit every year. Not newsworthy.
Also, I looked at the makeup of their roster. 4 seniors, 4 juniors, 11 sophomores and 11 freshmen. There have been occasions this season when HU had 8 or 9 freshmen/sophomores and the field. Incredible. Considering how tough it is to win games, if the Pride finish the season at .500 I think most would consider the season a success. Then, wait for next year. All of that experience plus a solid incoming freshman class bodes well for the future for HU wlax.


Thanks Top Guns parent.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just took a quick look at the Hofstra roster. 32 players were in the team picture and 30 are listed on the roster. Only 2 quit, which is typical of any college team. Every sport has players quit every year. Not newsworthy.
Also, I looked at the makeup of their roster. 4 seniors, 4 juniors, 11 sophomores and 11 freshmen. There have been occasions this season when HU had 8 or 9 freshmen/sophomores and the field. Incredible. Considering how tough it is to win games, if the Pride finish the season at .500 I think most would consider the season a success. Then, wait for next year. All of that experience plus a solid incoming freshman class bodes well for the future for HU wlax.


Thanks Top Guns parent.


I'm not a TG parent, nor do I live in NY. Just did a little research to attempt to counter the ridiculous SS/Hofstra bashing that the YJ lemmings put out. Finding facts to rebut them is like taking candy from a baby. Too easy.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just took a quick look at the Hofstra roster. 32 players were in the team picture and 30 are listed on the roster. Only 2 quit, which is typical of any college team. Every sport has players quit every year. Not newsworthy.
Also, I looked at the makeup of their roster. 4 seniors, 4 juniors, 11 sophomores and 11 freshmen. There have been occasions this season when HU had 8 or 9 freshmen/sophomores and the field. Incredible. Considering how tough it is to win games, if the Pride finish the season at .500 I think most would consider the season a success. Then, wait for next year. All of that experience plus a solid incoming freshman class bodes well for the future for HU wlax.


Thanks Top Guns parent.


I'm not a TG parent, nor do I live in NY. Just did a little research to attempt to counter the ridiculous SS/Hofstra bashing that the YJ lemmings put out. Finding facts to rebut them is like taking candy from a baby. Too easy.

Likely story, if your not a TG parent, your crazy. But your a TG parent, and your town probably starts with West (Islip or Babylon). Talk about Lemmings.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just took a quick look at the Hofstra roster. 32 players were in the team picture and 30 are listed on the roster. Only 2 quit, which is typical of any college team. Every sport has players quit every year. Not newsworthy.
Also, I looked at the makeup of their roster. 4 seniors, 4 juniors, 11 sophomores and 11 freshmen. There have been occasions this season when HU had 8 or 9 freshmen/sophomores and the field. Incredible. Considering how tough it is to win games, if the Pride finish the season at .500 I think most would consider the season a success. Then, wait for next year. All of that experience plus a solid incoming freshman class bodes well for the future for HU wlax.


Thanks Top Guns parent.


I'm not a TG parent, nor do I live in NY. Just did a little research to attempt to counter the ridiculous SS/Hofstra bashing that the YJ lemmings put out. Finding facts to rebut them is like taking candy from a baby. Too easy.

Likely story, if your not a TG parent, your crazy. But your a TG parent, and your town probably starts with West (Islip or Babylon). Talk about Lemmings.


Well, for starters, I'll give you credit for using 'your' correctly exactly once in your post.
Next, I do live in NY and my kid doesn't play for TG.
I can not believe this site. I was with friends last night when there daughter sent a text about a player from Oregon purposely hitting a girl in the head 3 times, he writes a post along with the link that the opposing coach posted to warn others about this woman and these "moderators" don't publish the post instead continue to post drivel about a club team on a supposed Woman's college board. This site should be ashamed for not posting real news that more reputable sites like Inside Lacrosse, and Lacrosse Magazine both followed along with allowing the name, number, hometown and high school of the offending player.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just took a quick look at the Hofstra roster. 32 players were in the team picture and 30 are listed on the roster. Only 2 quit, which is typical of any college team. Every sport has players quit every year. Not newsworthy.
Also, I looked at the makeup of their roster. 4 seniors, 4 juniors, 11 sophomores and 11 freshmen. There have been occasions this season when HU had 8 or 9 freshmen/sophomores and the field. Incredible. Considering how tough it is to win games, if the Pride finish the season at .500 I think most would consider the season a success. Then, wait for next year. All of that experience plus a solid incoming freshman class bodes well for the future for HU wlax.


Thanks Top Guns parent.


I'm not a TG parent, nor do I live in NY. Just did a little research to attempt to counter the ridiculous SS/Hofstra bashing that the YJ lemmings put out. Finding facts to rebut them is like taking candy from a baby. Too easy.


If you look closely you will see that most D1 rosters have less jr and sr players - if you haven't seen significant playing time by then why stay and go through the grind of being a student athlete when there are so many other aspects of college life to enjoy.

PS - the next ranked team Hofstra beats will be the first
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just took a quick look at the Hofstra roster. 32 players were in the team picture and 30 are listed on the roster. Only 2 quit, which is typical of any college team. Every sport has players quit every year. Not newsworthy.
Also, I looked at the makeup of their roster. 4 seniors, 4 juniors, 11 sophomores and 11 freshmen. There have been occasions this season when HU had 8 or 9 freshmen/sophomores and the field. Incredible. Considering how tough it is to win games, if the Pride finish the season at .500 I think most would consider the season a success. Then, wait for next year. All of that experience plus a solid incoming freshman class bodes well for the future for HU wlax.


Thanks Top Guns parent.


I'm not a TG parent, nor do I live in NY. Just did a little research to attempt to counter the ridiculous SS/Hofstra bashing that the YJ lemmings put out. Finding facts to rebut them is like taking candy from a baby. Too easy.


If you look closely you will see that most D1 rosters have less jr and sr players - if you haven't seen significant playing time by then why stay and go through the grind of being a student athlete when there are so many other aspects of college life to enjoy.

PS - the next ranked team Hofstra beats will be the first


Only just over 50% of lacrosse student/athletes play four years.
Is Notre Dame for real? They look very balanced offensively and defensively. Nice freshman contributions.
Having SG in goal big boost for team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just took a quick look at the Hofstra roster. 32 players were in the team picture and 30 are listed on the roster. Only 2 quit, which is typical of any college team. Every sport has players quit every year. Not newsworthy.
Also, I looked at the makeup of their roster. 4 seniors, 4 juniors, 11 sophomores and 11 freshmen. There have been occasions this season when HU had 8 or 9 freshmen/sophomores and the field. Incredible. Considering how tough it is to win games, if the Pride finish the season at .500 I think most would consider the season a success. Then, wait for next year. All of that experience plus a solid incoming freshman class bodes well for the future for HU wlax.


Thanks Top Guns parent.


I'm not a TG parent, nor do I live in NY. Just did a little research to attempt to counter the ridiculous SS/Hofstra bashing that the YJ lemmings put out. Finding facts to rebut them is like taking candy from a baby. Too easy.


If you look closely you will see that most D1 rosters have less jr and sr players - if you haven't seen significant playing time by then why stay and go through the grind of being a student athlete when there are so many other aspects of college life to enjoy.

PS - the next ranked team Hofstra beats will be the first


Did Hofstra win ? I dont see any updates?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just took a quick look at the Hofstra roster. 32 players were in the team picture and 30 are listed on the roster. Only 2 quit, which is typical of any college team. Every sport has players quit every year. Not newsworthy.
Also, I looked at the makeup of their roster. 4 seniors, 4 juniors, 11 sophomores and 11 freshmen. There have been occasions this season when HU had 8 or 9 freshmen/sophomores and the field. Incredible. Considering how tough it is to win games, if the Pride finish the season at .500 I think most would consider the season a success. Then, wait for next year. All of that experience plus a solid incoming freshman class bodes well for the future for HU wlax.


Thanks Top Guns parent.


I'm not a TG parent, nor do I live in NY. Just did a little research to attempt to counter the ridiculous SS/Hofstra bashing that the YJ lemmings put out. Finding facts to rebut them is like taking candy from a baby. Too easy.


If you look closely you will see that most D1 rosters have less jr and sr players - if you haven't seen significant playing time by then why stay and go through the grind of being a student athlete when there are so many other aspects of college life to enjoy.

PS - the next ranked team Hofstra beats will be the first


Did Hofstra win ? I dont see any updates?


Lost to Fairfield
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can not believe this site. I was with friends last night when there daughter sent a text about a player from Oregon purposely hitting a girl in the head 3 times, he writes a post along with the link that the opposing coach posted to warn others about this woman and these "moderators" don't publish the post instead continue to post drivel about a club team on a supposed Woman's college board. This site should be ashamed for not posting real news that more reputable sites like Inside Lacrosse, and Lacrosse Magazine both followed along with allowing the name, number, hometown and high school of the offending player.


That video showed some very dirty and dangerous play by that young woman. I would be interested if someone got hurt if that would result in charges being brought. Hits to the head with a stick! Ouch! She is lucky that the players she hit are ok.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can not believe this site. I was with friends last night when there daughter sent a text about a player from Oregon purposely hitting a girl in the head 3 times, he writes a post along with the link that the opposing coach posted to warn others about this woman and these "moderators" don't publish the post instead continue to post drivel about a club team on a supposed Woman's college board. This site should be ashamed for not posting real news that more reputable sites like Inside Lacrosse, and Lacrosse Magazine both followed along with allowing the name, number, hometown and high school of the offending player.
I think a 1 game suspension for such dirty play is a travesty. The N.C.A.A. should be embarrassed for allowing the team and the conference to meed out such a meager penalty for such blatant disregard for another players safety. It's akin to allowing a child to give their own punishment for stealing cookies from the cookie jar. I.M.H.O. it was an assault, and if the same thing happened on the street that woman would be charged, so I ask, why is it differey that it happened on a sports field

That video showed some very dirty and dangerous play by that young woman. I would be interested if someone got hurt if that would result in charges being brought. Hits to the head with a stick! Ouch! She is lucky that the players she hit are ok.
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can not believe this site. I was with friends last night when there daughter sent a text about a player from Oregon purposely hitting a girl in the head 3 times, he writes a post along with the link that the opposing coach posted to warn others about this woman and these "moderators" don't publish the post instead continue to post drivel about a club team on a supposed Woman's college board. This site should be ashamed for not posting real news that more reputable sites like Inside Lacrosse, and Lacrosse Magazine both followed along with allowing the name, number, hometown and high school of the offending player.
I think a 1 game suspension for such dirty play is a travesty. The N.C.A.A. should be embarrassed for allowing the team and the conference to meed out such a meager penalty for such blatant disregard for another players safety. It's akin to allowing a child to give their own punishment for stealing cookies from the cookie jar. I.M.H.O. it was an assault, and if the same thing happened on the street that woman would be charged, so I ask, why is it differey that it happened on a sports field

That video showed some very dirty and dangerous play by that young woman. I would be interested if someone got hurt if that would result in charges being brought. Hits to the head with a stick! Ouch! She is lucky that the players she hit are ok.


A one game suspension is disgraceful. The girl is a senior on that team. That should have been her last game for that school. Girl wasn't even involved with the play when she did it 3 times. What the [lacrosse] were the refs looking at?
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can not believe this site. I was with friends last night when there daughter sent a text about a player from Oregon purposely hitting a girl in the head 3 times, he writes a post along with the link that the opposing coach posted to warn others about this woman and these "moderators" don't publish the post instead continue to post drivel about a club team on a supposed Woman's college board. This site should be ashamed for not posting real news that more reputable sites like Inside Lacrosse, and Lacrosse Magazine both followed along with allowing the name, number, hometown and high school of the offending player.
I think a 1 game suspension for such dirty play is a travesty. The N.C.A.A. should be embarrassed for allowing the team and the conference to meed out such a meager penalty for such blatant disregard for another players safety. It's akin to allowing a child to give their own punishment for stealing cookies from the cookie jar. I.M.H.O. it was an assault, and if the same thing happened on the street that woman would be charged, so I ask, why is it differey that it happened on a sports field

That video showed some very dirty and dangerous play by that young woman. I would be interested if someone got hurt if that would result in charges being brought. Hits to the head with a stick! Ouch! She is lucky that the players she hit are ok.


One game is surely not enough. Amazing thing is no one sees this? I can't believe this was a "solo event"; she was having a bad day? Looks like a classless, dirty player.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Having SG in goal big boost for team.


Agree. Giacolone has given Irish something they have lacked. But I also like he balance up front and fresher Ortega is a big boost too. It's a long season but I like what I see right now.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can not believe this site. I was with friends last night when there daughter sent a text about a player from Oregon purposely hitting a girl in the head 3 times, he writes a post along with the link that the opposing coach posted to warn others about this woman and these "moderators" don't publish the post instead continue to post drivel about a club team on a supposed Woman's college board. This site should be ashamed for not posting real news that more reputable sites like Inside Lacrosse, and Lacrosse Magazine both followed along with allowing the name, number, hometown and high school of the offending player.
I think a 1 game suspension for such dirty play is a travesty. The N.C.A.A. should be embarrassed for allowing the team and the conference to meed out such a meager penalty for such blatant disregard for another players safety. It's akin to allowing a child to give their own punishment for stealing cookies from the cookie jar. I.M.H.O. it was an assault, and if the same thing happened on the street that woman would be charged, so I ask, why is it differey that it happened on a sports field

That video showed some very dirty and dangerous play by that young woman. I would be interested if someone got hurt if that would result in charges being brought. Hits to the head with a stick! Ouch! She is lucky that the players she hit are ok.


One game is surely not enough. Amazing thing is no one sees this? I can't believe this was a "solo event"; she was having a bad day? Looks like a classless, dirty player.


She is a junior, FWIW. But I am wholeheartedly jumping on the "one game suspension is not enough" train. What that girl did was far, far outside the boundaries of decency.

D3 is the place to be....you still have a social life, a true study abroad opportunity, likely will play all 4 years in college instead of quitting like in D1&2, work very hard at both practice and academically (just not 6 hrs a day).

So much crap spewed by HS and club coaches. Daughter in her third year at D3 school. Started in 1/2 of games as a freshman, will now playing all the time as a jr.

HaHa to all the suckers.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
D3 is the place to be....you still have a social life, a true study abroad opportunity, likely will play all 4 years in college instead of quitting like in D1&2, work very hard at both practice and academically (just not 6 hrs a day).

So much crap spewed by HS and club coaches. Daughter in her third year at D3 school. Started in 1/2 of games as a freshman, will now playing all the time as a jr.

HaHa to all the suckers.
Obviously you have a chip on your shoulder about her not playing D1. Otherwise, you wouldn't have to post this on this site which is pathetic with the tone. Let each family decide what is best for their daughter, not black and white that D3 is better than D3, or vice versa. Also, you are just talking about the lacrosse and mention nothing about the quality of the academics. Makes you look bitter and small.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
D3 is the place to be....you still have a social life, a true study abroad opportunity, likely will play all 4 years in college instead of quitting like in D1&2, work very hard at both practice and academically (just not 6 hrs a day).

So much crap spewed by HS and club coaches. Daughter in her third year at D3 school. Started in 1/2 of games as a freshman, will now playing all the time as a jr.

HaHa to all the suckers.
Obviously you have a chip on your shoulder about her not playing D1. Otherwise, you wouldn't have to post this on this site which is pathetic with the tone. Let each family decide what is best for their daughter, not black and white that D3 is better than D3, or vice versa. Also, you are just talking about the lacrosse and mention nothing about the quality of the academics. Makes you look bitter and small.


Both posts make valid points. It really does come down to a family decision and the student's decision. I have seen so many mismatched students because a school offers some money but the school is all wrong for the student.

There is almost a 50% burnout rate for D1/D2 students. It is a huge commitment.

D3 may be a fit for many students. No athletic money at all but the schools will help with financial packages based on need. Schools that are competitive in lacrosse at the D3 level (NESCAC schools such as Amherst, Williams, Tufts, Middlebury, Hamilton and non-NESCAC schools such as Washington & Lee, Franklin & Marshall, Gettysburg) are very difficult to get admitted. You are looking at Ivy type requirements (some of the schools I mentioned are 'Little Ivies") so your child needs to have high academics. They are also very expensive.

I don't think the reply poster has a chip on his shoulder but surely D1/D2 students are not suckers. Sit down wth your child sooner than later and talk about what they want from college overall. If they want to do a true semester abroad or are trying for a difficult degree (Yes, I know there are some who are pre-med and D1. Rare) and want to play lacrosse (or any sport) maybe D3 is the way. Some students don't want to live a way from home so a local school may be an option.

There is no right or wrong, outside of giving the student the best chance of succeeding now and into the future.
Back to the ugly stick work. Women's lacrosse should institute the progressive foul system like basketball. 4, 5, 6 fouls and YOU ARE OUT. Will get the hackers out of the game early so we can get to some fast paced action. Start cleaning it up or helmets will be here soon
# 3


1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Princeton
7. Stanford
8. Southern Cal
9. Virginia
10. Penn State
11. Northwestern
12. Duke
13. Louiesville
14. Stony Brook
15. Boston College
16. Towson
17. Penn
18. UConn
19. Massachusetts
20. Loyola
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
D3 is the place to be....you still have a social life, a true study abroad opportunity, likely will play all 4 years in college instead of quitting like in D1&2, work very hard at both practice and academically (just not 6 hrs a day).

So much crap spewed by HS and club coaches. Daughter in her third year at D3 school. Started in 1/2 of games as a freshman, will now playing all the time as a jr.

HaHa to all the suckers.
Obviously you have a chip on your shoulder about her not playing D1. Otherwise, you wouldn't have to post this on this site which is pathetic with the tone. Let each family decide what is best for their daughter, not black and white that D3 is better than D3, or vice versa. Also, you are just talking about the lacrosse and mention nothing about the quality of the academics. Makes you look bitter and small.


Both posts make valid points. It really does come down to a family decision and the student's decision. I have seen so many mismatched students because a school offers some money but the school is all wrong for the student.

There is almost a 50% burnout rate for D1/D2 students. It is a huge commitment.

D3 may be a fit for many students. No athletic money at all but the schools will help with financial packages based on need. Schools that are competitive in lacrosse at the D3 level (NESCAC schools such as Amherst, Williams, Tufts, Middlebury, Hamilton and non-NESCAC schools such as Washington & Lee, Franklin & Marshall, Gettysburg) are very difficult to get admitted. You are looking at Ivy type requirements (some of the schools I mentioned are 'Little Ivies") so your child needs to have high academics. They are also very expensive.

I don't think the reply poster has a chip on his shoulder but surely D1/D2 students are not suckers. Sit down wth your child sooner than later and talk about what they want from college overall. If they want to do a true semester abroad or are trying for a difficult degree (Yes, I know there are some who are pre-med and D1. Rare) and want to play lacrosse (or any sport) maybe D3 is the way. Some students don't want to live a way from home so a local school may be an option.

There is no right or wrong, outside of giving the student the best chance of succeeding now and into the future.


Oh Baldbear, you make too much sense. What is the purpose of paying thousands of dollars to clubs if you can't brag about your D1 prodigy? Sarcasm intended. I agree with you, but I bet the insults and put-downs are on their way.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
# 3


1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Princeton
7. Stanford
8. Southern Cal
9. Virginia
10. Penn State
11. Northwestern
12. Duke
13. Louiesville
14. Stony Brook
15. Boston College
16. Towson
17. Penn
18. UConn
19. Massachusetts
20. Loyola
right now 'cuse over UNC, Loyola out until they can beat one of the bigs, Louisville over Duke and Northwestern, Stanford too high. Parity is getting closer every year
Loyola is 1-3. I agree with a previous poster. They shouldn't be anywhere near the top 20.
Duke lost to Elon , which also takes away from USC win, pen state lost drop them down 3/4 spots Princeton 1 goal win over unranked Georgetown.
Was hoping Hofstra came alive. Truth be told I'm nervous, these are all girls SS hand picked and several of us bought into her "vision" and gave verbals but having second thoughts and considering D2 programs. Every D2 school has the major my daughter wants, a few are developing very nicely and extremely competitive. Have a few more years but will be weighing all options.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Duke lost to Elon , which also takes away from USC win, pen state lost drop them down 3/4 spots Princeton 1 goal win over unranked Georgetown.



Got it, missed Elon over Duke. That changes some things.


1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Princeton
7. Stanford
8. Louisville
9. Virginia
10. Penn State
11. Stony Brook
12. Northwestern
13. Boston College
14. Towson
15. UConn
16. Massachusetts
17. Southern Cal
18. Vanderbilt
19. Elon
20. Loyola

Hopkins, Penn and Duke all out of the top 20 for now.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Duke lost to Elon , which also takes away from USC win, pen state lost drop them down 3/4 spots Princeton 1 goal win over unranked Georgetown.



Got it, missed Elon over Duke. That changes some things.


1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Princeton
7. Stanford
8. Louisville
9. Virginia
10. Penn State
11. Stony Brook
12. Northwestern
13. Boston College
14. Towson
15. UConn
16. Massachusetts
17. Southern Cal
18. Vanderbilt
19. Elon
20. Loyola

Hopkins, Penn and Duke all out of the top 20 for now.
how can you keep Loyola in top 20 with 3 losses and only 1 win and drop Duke at 3 and 3, makes no sense.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Duke lost to Elon , which also takes away from USC win, pen state lost drop them down 3/4 spots Princeton 1 goal win over unranked Georgetown.



Got it, missed Elon over Duke. That changes some things.


1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Princeton
7. Stanford
8. Louisville
9. Virginia
10. Penn State
11. Stony Brook
12. Northwestern
13. Boston College
14. Towson
15. UConn
16. Massachusetts
17. Southern Cal
18. Vanderbilt
19. Elon
20. Loyola

Hopkins, Penn and Duke all out of the top 20 for now.
Also still UNC with 2 losses over 'cuse, both have played lower ranked teams and won, but 'cause without a loss and beating 2 teams that were at that time ranked (loyola and Northwestern) and UNC with 2 ranked loses, makes no sense
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Duke lost to Elon , which also takes away from USC win, pen state lost drop them down 3/4 spots Princeton 1 goal win over unranked Georgetown.



Got it, missed Elon over Duke. That changes some things.


1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Princeton
7. Stanford
8. Louisville
9. Virginia
10. Penn State
11. Stony Brook
12. Northwestern
13. Boston College
14. Towson
15. UConn
16. Massachusetts
17. Southern Cal
18. Vanderbilt
19. Elon
20. Loyola

Hopkins, Penn and Duke all out of the top 20 for now.
how can you keep Loyola in top 20 with 3 losses and only 1 win and drop Duke at 3 and 3, makes no sense.


Loyola came out of the gate with a very difficult early season schedule. Florida and Syracuse are Top 5 programs and then they played Hopkins and Towson both are competitive teams and they are also rivalry games for bragging rights on Charles Street which make them tougher then random games. Loyola's next two games are Penn State and Virginia. They could have scheduled some less competitive programs and have a 4 - 0 record. If they can win one of the next two they can stay in the top 20.

Duke lost to Elon. Great win for Elon. At 3 - 3 Blue Devils need to earn consideration. I think they have to win at least 3 or 4 ACC games and all of their non conference games (unless Elon finishes in the top 10) to be in the top 20 at the end of the season.

Not just wins and losses. Have to beat good teams and you cant lose to less competitive teams.
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Duke lost to Elon , which also takes away from USC win, pen state lost drop them down 3/4 spots Princeton 1 goal win over unranked Georgetown.



Got it, missed Elon over Duke. That changes some things.


1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Princeton
7. Stanford
8. Louisville
9. Virginia
10. Penn State
11. Stony Brook
12. Northwestern
13. Boston College
14. Towson
15. UConn
16. Massachusetts
17. Southern Cal
18. Vanderbilt
19. Elon
20. Loyola

Hopkins, Penn and Duke all out of the top 20 for now.
Also still UNC with 2 losses over 'cuse, both have played lower ranked teams and won, but 'cause without a loss and beating 2 teams that were at that time ranked (loyola and Northwestern) and UNC with 2 ranked loses, makes no sense


North Carolin has lost to #1 Maryland and #2 Florida. They lost each game by one goal. That puts them at #3. Syracuse can jump them as soon as they knock off Florida or Maryland in the coming weeks..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Since 1990 there have only been 5 programs to win the national championship. I think everyone had hoped the game would have had a better competitive balance by now but it just cant seem to break through. After the top 10-15 programs the talent level still falls off a cliff. Everyone plays by the same scholarship rules so why can't other programs break in?

Maryland has 11, Northwestern 7, Princeton 3, Virginia 3, North Carolina 1


So after the bumpy start to the season. Would you bet on the five teams above or take the field?
These rankings mean nothing. Talk to me in June. Just people's opinions, have fun debating it, don't take it personnel. I don't think its that crazy having UNC #4, their 2 loses are to the #1 and #2 ranked teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Since 1990 there have only been 5 programs to win the national championship. I think everyone had hoped the game would have had a better competitive balance by now but it just cant seem to break through. After the top 10-15 programs the talent level still falls off a cliff. Everyone plays by the same scholarship rules so why can't other programs break in?

Maryland has 11, Northwestern 7, Princeton 3, Virginia 3, North Carolina 1


So after the bumpy start to the season. Would you bet on the five teams above or take the field?


I would bet we will see two or three of those teams in the final four. Syracuse, Florida also likely. Who are the other teams with legit shot at making it? ND? Who else?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
# 3


1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Princeton
7. Stanford
8. Southern Cal
9. Virginia
10. Penn State
11. Northwestern
12. Duke
13. Louiesville
14. Stony Brook
15. Boston College
16. Towson
17. Penn
18. UConn
19. Massachusetts
20. Loyola


What poll are you using? IWLCA for 2/29/16 not out yet.
I.M.H.O.

1. UMD
2. FLA
3. ND
4. 'cuse
5. Princeton
6. UVA
7. Louisville
8. UNC
9. Penn St
10. Stony Brook
11. U Mass
12. Stanford
13. So Cal
14. Uconn
15. Towson

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Duke lost to Elon , which also takes away from USC win, pen state lost drop them down 3/4 spots Princeton 1 goal win over unranked Georgetown.



Got it, missed Elon over Duke. That changes some things.


1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Princeton
7. Stanford
8. Louisville
9. Virginia
10. Penn State
11. Stony Brook
12. Northwestern
13. Boston College
14. Towson
15. UConn
16. Massachusetts
17. Southern Cal
18. Vanderbilt
19. Elon
20. Loyola

Hopkins, Penn and Duke all out of the top 20 for now.
how can you keep Loyola in top 20 with 3 losses and only 1 win and drop Duke at 3 and 3, makes no sense.


Loyola came out of the gate with a very difficult early season schedule. Florida and Syracuse are Top 5 programs and then they played Hopkins and Towson both are competitive teams and they are also rivalry games for bragging rights on Charles Street which make them tougher then random games. Loyola's next two games are Penn State and Virginia. They could have scheduled some less competitive programs and have a 4 - 0 record. If they can win one of the next two they can stay in the top 20.

Duke lost to Elon. Great win for Elon. At 3 - 3 Blue Devils need to earn consideration. I think they have to win at least 3 or 4 ACC games and all of their non conference games (unless Elon finishes in the top 10) to be in the top 20 at the end of the season.

Not just wins and losses. Have to beat good teams and you cant lose to less competitive teams.
No it's not just wins and losses, by your own ranks 'cause has beaten 2 top 20 teams, Loyola has lost to 2 and an unranked team at the time, UNC has lost to 2 top 20 teams and beaten none so explain how they remain above a team with 2 wins against ranked teams, is it just because they are UNC. Why does 'cause need to beat 3-4 top 10 to get love but not UNC, they get it with loses, thats strange to me.
New media poll is out and IMO very accurate
IMO...There are 3 interesting teams: James Madison, Loyola and Hofstra. All 3 are interesting because they are not having good seasons so far. JMU is usually a top 20 team but so far they are 1-3. Loyola is 1-3. Hofstra is 0-3. All 3 will be fine eventually, but right now they are going thru a rough patch. Towson is interesting because the are undefeated, which is unexpected. Elon is doing very well. So far an interesting year.
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I.M.H.O.

1. UMD
2. FLA
3. ND
4. 'cuse
5. Princeton
6. UVA
7. Louisville
8. UNC
9. Penn St
10. Stony Brook
11. U Mass
12. Stanford
13. So Cal
14. Uconn
15. Towson



ok got it ... u r a NU hater ... Not a top 15 team? Silly
Originally Posted by Anonymous
New media poll is out and IMO very accurate


Yes, more accurate than IWLCA Poll which has Northwestern #6 (1-2) ahead of Virginia #7(3-1). Didn't Virginia beat Northwestern head to head?
They also have Princeton #9 (3-0) behind both Virginia and Northwestern. Didn't Princeton spank Virginia 14-7 recently?

C'mon man

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I.M.H.O.

1. UMD
2. FLA
3. ND
4. 'cuse
5. Princeton
6. UVA
7. Louisville
8. UNC
9. Penn St
10. Stony Brook
11. U Mass
12. Stanford
13. So Cal
14. Uconn
15. Towson



ok got it ... u r a NU hater ... Not a top 15 team? Silly
What has N.U. done THIS year to deserve being top 15
Umass too high...
IWLCA Poll for Division I, February 29
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 3-0 400 20 1
2 Syracuse 5-0 380 2
3 Florida 4-0 352 3
4 North Carolina 3-2 336 4
5 Notre Dame 5-0 300 7
6 Northwestern 1-2 287 5
7 Virginia 3-1 279 7
8 Penn State 2-1 257 6
9 Princeton 3-0 249 9
10 Stony Brook 1-0 205 11
11 Southern California 2-0 197 12
12 Louisville 5-0 170 17
13 Stanford 3-1 158 14
14 Boston College 2-2 125 15
15 Duke 3-3 122 10
16 Penn 1-1 120 13
17 Ohio State 3-1 77 18
18 Johns Hopkins 3-1 59 16
19 Connecticut 3-0 37 20
20 Towson 4-0 29 NR
IWLCA Poll for Division II, February 29
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 2-0 400 20 1
2 Le Moyne 1-0 374 2
3 Lindenwood 3-0 363 3
4 New Haven 0-0 342 4
5 LIU Post 0-0 315 5
6 Rollins 3-0 291 6
7 Lock Haven 0-0 260 7
8 Limestone 3-0 251 9
9 Stonehill 0-0 249 8
10 West Chester 1-0 209 10
11 Grand Valley State 1-2 205 11
12 Mercyhurst 1-1 198 13
13 Florida Southern 0-2 160 12
14 Mount Olive 5-0 137 14
15 Queens 2-0 107 16
16 Seton Hill 1-0 106 15
17 Dowling 0-0 81 17
18 Bentley 0-0 68 18
19 Regis (CO) 2-0 47 19
20 Saint Anselm 0-0 22 20
IWLCA Poll for Division III, February 29
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Cortland 0-0 400 20 1
2 Trinity (CT) 0-0 377 2
3 Franklin & Marshall 2-0 358 3
4 Middlebury 0-0 339 4
5 College of NJ 1-0 312 5
6 Gettysburg 2-0 299 6
7 Salisbury 3-0 287 9
8 [lacrosse] 1-1 252 8
9 Bowdoin 0-0 226 10
10 Catholic (DC) 0-1 220 7
11 Tufts 0-0 198 11
12 Amherst 0-0 180 12
13 Hamilton 0-0 154 13
14 Messiah 1-1 128 14
15 Colby 0-0 109 17
16 Geneseo 0-0 98 18
17 St. John Fisher 0-0 58 19
18 Mary Washington 4-0 45 NR
19 Union 0-0 30 20
19 Fredonia 0-2 30 15
You people with your make believe polls that bolster your daughters team is real sad state of affairs. Leave the polls alone there are three different ones that matter Louisville at 7 UVA at 6 Princeton all the way up to 5 after the really impressive one goal win over a poor unranked Georgetown team. Lololo
Agenda driven Stick to these
Iwlca coaches poll
Media poll
Nike lax mag
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You people with your make believe polls that bolster your daughters team is real sad state of affairs. Leave the polls alone there are three different ones that matter Louisville at 7 UVA at 6 Princeton all the way up to 5 after the really impressive one goal win over a poor unranked Georgetown team. Lololo
Agenda driven Stick to these
Iwlca coaches poll
Media poll
Nike lax mag
my daughter plays D1 but on none of those teams, nor on any of the top teams on any list. I, for one, do not consider it a "poll" as much as an opinion, thus the I.M.H.O. I don't think past years performance should be in any equation. What I do believe is that any team can change from year to year, be it the #1 or #107. Every year another school adds a program and gives girls more options in places to play. No longer are girls fighting for a place on a handful of teams, and fighting for playing time. Girls that developed later are finding quality time and making a difference on non traditional squads. I believe in the next few years the field will be a lot closer amongst all the teams. The bigs will still get the good players, but as time goes by, and those players aren't getting the minuets they want, they will go to other schools and improve many different programs. Just on my daughters team they have had girls transfer in and out from\to bigger programs.
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I.M.H.O.

1. UMD
2. FLA
3. ND
4. 'cuse
5. Princeton
6. UVA
7. Louisville
8. UNC
9. Penn St
10. Stony Brook
11. U Mass
12. Stanford
13. So Cal
14. Uconn
15. Towson



ok got it ... u r a NU hater ... Not a top 15 team? Silly
What has N.U. done THIS year to deserve being top 15


Well have you watched their games? I have. They are a top 15 team. They have lost on the road at SYR by 4 and UVA by 2. They won on the road at Duke by 3.

Last year they were 14-7 and were a final 8 team. When your favorite team, Stonybrook I'm sure, plays a real schedule, get back to me. What has Stones done THIS year, to warrant a top 15 ranking? See how silly you sound??
Most rankings early are based on last season where my NOT favorite team Stony Brook beat NU Florida and smashed Notre Dame That is how a team gets a high pre season ranking. You also made me do some research on SB schedule their next four games they play the 3rd, 6th and 10 th ranked team in country in addition to Yale also noticed an interesting game with Stanford Not a bad schedule for mid major. Impossible to compare to a ACC or Big 10 schedule but you can only control what you can control. Regardless good for LI to have a college team that is relevant.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most rankings early are based on last season where my NOT favorite team Stony Brook beat NU Florida and smashed Notre Dame That is how a team gets a high pre season ranking. You also made me do some research on SB schedule their next four games they play the 3rd, 6th and 10 th ranked team in country in addition to Yale also noticed an interesting game with Stanford Not a bad schedule for mid major. Impossible to compare to a ACC or Big 10 schedule but you can only control what you can control. Regardless good for LI to have a college team that is relevant.


You missed the point ... I'll try again. You have ranked Stony at #10 (i btw think they deserve to be there). But what have they done THIS year, as you said, to warrant that? The answer is nothing. U asked what NU has done to warrant a top 15 ranking and I told you. To good games against top 10 teams, one of which is a likely final 4 team, and a win against a good opponent on the road. Using your eyes, and little knowledge of the women's game, it would be silly to put NU outside the top 15. They may even lose to Louisville, again on the road, and that still wouldn't mean they are out side the top 15. Why, for instance do you rank Penn Sate where you do? They lost to Virginia by 3.

Putting NU outside the top 15 reduces your credibility. I'm just trying to help you out.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I.M.H.O.

1. UMD
2. FLA
3. ND
4. 'cuse
5. Princeton
6. UVA
7. Louisville
8. UNC
9. Penn St
10. Stony Brook
11. U Mass
12. Stanford
13. So Cal
14. Uconn
15. Towson



ok got it ... u r a NU hater ... Not a top 15 team? Silly
What has N.U. done THIS year to deserve being top 15


Well have you watched their games? I have. They are a top 15 team. They have lost on the road at SYR by 4 and UVA by 2. They won on the road at Duke by 3.

Last year they were 14-7 and were a final 8 team. When your favorite team, Stonybrook I'm sure, plays a real schedule, get back to me. What has Stones done THIS year, to warrant a top 15 ranking? See how silly you sound??
You sound very angry......why it's just my opinion. Yes I have watched 2 f the 3 games (not the Duke game, also not in my top 15) and I.M.H.O. they are not playing like a top 15 team, nor do I think they have recruited very well over the last couple of years so I.M.H.O. I think they are on a down slope right now.

You also seem to make assumptions about people you have never met, so let me state unequivocally, I do not like Stony Brook or there coach in any way, so obviously my daughter does not go their, which should have been obvious when I said she does not attend any of my top 15 schools. You are quit obviously the parent of a N.U. student, or at least a rabid supporter of the program, so let me give you insight to my mindset. I am a fan of the game not to ay 1 school, I cheer hard for my daughter and want her to do well, but that measure of success does not hinge on how well her lacrosse team does in college. She has picked a difficult major that is frowned upon by most coaches, but still plays for a D1 team, and has played significant minuets, so I.M.H.O. she is already successful. She will leave school with a degree in something other than numbers and science, and will not have to do any additional years because she played the sport she loves. Will she win national championship...... no, but because of the hard work she puts in she's already a champion in my mind
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You people with your make believe polls that bolster your daughters team is real sad state of affairs. Leave the polls alone there are three different ones that matter Louisville at 7 UVA at 6 Princeton all the way up to 5 after the really impressive one goal win over a poor unranked Georgetown team. Lololo
Agenda driven Stick to these
Iwlca coaches poll
Media poll
Nike lax mag


IWLCA is a joke. Early in the season polls should be based on actual performance not the previous season. As the year progresses the teams body of work is what should be considered. Duke lost to Elon and is 3 - 3. Sorry but based on YTD performance they should not be in the top 20. Tell me, if Rutgers, Umass, Villanova or Harvard had the exact same results as Duke would they be ranked? Virginia is 3-1 and beat a 1-2 Northwestern team yet somehow NU is ranked ahead of UVA. Princeton is 3-0 and beat Virginia by 7 goals yet Cav's are ranked 2 slots higher than the Tigers. Not sure Ohio State should be in there either based on there YTD SOS and performance. Questioning Stony Brook as well. Although I think they are a Top 10 team they have not done anything yet. Most teams have played between 3 and 5 games so far. I have a hard time giving credit to a team who has only played one game against a less competitive opponent.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Since 1990 there have only been 5 programs to win the national championship. I think everyone had hoped the game would have had a better competitive balance by now but it just cant seem to break through. After the top 10-15 programs the talent level still falls off a cliff. Everyone plays by the same scholarship rules so why can't other programs break in?

Maryland has 11, Northwestern 7, Princeton 3, Virginia 3, North Carolina 1


So after the bumpy start to the season. Would you bet on the five teams above or take the field?


Coaching and Studs will have the teams above in the finals. Other teams can have some in season success but history shows they can't break through in the end
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You people with your make believe polls that bolster your daughters team is real sad state of affairs. Leave the polls alone there are three different ones that matter Louisville at 7 UVA at 6 Princeton all the way up to 5 after the really impressive one goal win over a poor unranked Georgetown team. Lololo
Agenda driven Stick to these
Iwlca coaches poll
Media poll
Nike lax mag


IWLCA is a joke. Early in the season polls should be based on actual performance not the previous season. As the year progresses the teams body of work is what should be considered. Duke lost to Elon and is 3 - 3. Sorry but based on YTD performance they should not be in the top 20. Tell me, if Rutgers, Umass, Villanova or Harvard had the exact same results as Duke would they be ranked? Virginia is 3-1 and beat a 1-2 Northwestern team yet somehow NU is ranked ahead of UVA. Princeton is 3-0 and beat Virginia by 7 goals yet Cav's are ranked 2 slots higher than the Tigers. Not sure Ohio State should be in there either based on there YTD SOS and performance. Questioning Stony Brook as well. Although I think they are a Top 10 team they have not done anything yet. Most teams have played between 3 and 5 games so far. I have a hard time giving credit to a team who has only played one game against a less competitive opponent.


You contradict yourself. How can early season polls be based on actual performance and then as the season progresses you base it on the body of work? There is no body of work early in the season so prior year (which includes returning players, recruiting an impact player as well) has to be the gauge to rank. As the teams play then the poll sorts itself out.

All polls, for any sport, start with the expectation of how a team will play. In D1 basketball Kentucky was ranked #1 early in the season but is now #22. Villanova was ranked #11 at the beginning of the season and was ranked #1.

So you are half right--as the teams play their games the polls will correct themselves. You have to also know polls were created for the sake of folks debating (arguing?). It's all good fun.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You people with your make believe polls that bolster your daughters team is real sad state of affairs. Leave the polls alone there are three different ones that matter Louisville at 7 UVA at 6 Princeton all the way up to 5 after the really impressive one goal win over a poor unranked Georgetown team. Lololo
Agenda driven Stick to these
Iwlca coaches poll
Media poll
Nike lax mag


IWLCA is a joke. Early in the season polls should be based on actual performance not the previous season. As the year progresses the teams body of work is what should be considered. Duke lost to Elon and is 3 - 3. Sorry but based on YTD performance they should not be in the top 20. Tell me, if Rutgers, Umass, Villanova or Harvard had the exact same results as Duke would they be ranked? Virginia is 3-1 and beat a 1-2 Northwestern team yet somehow NU is ranked ahead of UVA. Princeton is 3-0 and beat Virginia by 7 goals yet Cav's are ranked 2 slots higher than the Tigers. Not sure Ohio State should be in there either based on there YTD SOS and performance. Questioning Stony Brook as well. Although I think they are a Top 10 team they have not done anything yet. Most teams have played between 3 and 5 games so far. I have a hard time giving credit to a team who has only played one game against a less competitive opponent.


You contradict yourself. How can early season polls be based on actual performance and then as the season progresses you base it on the body of work? There is no body of work early in the season so prior year (which includes returning players, recruiting an impact player as well) has to be the gauge to rank. As the teams play then the poll sorts itself out.

All polls, for any sport, start with the expectation of how a team will play. In D1 basketball Kentucky was ranked #1 early in the season but is now #22. Villanova was ranked #11 at the beginning of the season and was ranked #1.

So you are half right--as the teams play their games the polls will correct themselves. You have to also know polls were created for the sake of folks debating (arguing?). It's all good fun.


Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I.M.H.O.

1. UMD
2. FLA
3. ND
4. 'cuse
5. Princeton
6. UVA
7. Louisville
8. UNC
9. Penn St
10. Stony Brook
11. U Mass
12. Stanford
13. So Cal
14. Uconn
15. Towson



ok got it ... u r a NU hater ... Not a top 15 team? Silly
What has N.U. done THIS year to deserve being top 15


Well have you watched their games? I have. They are a top 15 team. They have lost on the road at SYR by 4 and UVA by 2. They won on the road at Duke by 3.

Last year they were 14-7 and were a final 8 team. When your favorite team, Stonybrook I'm sure, plays a real schedule, get back to me. What has Stones done THIS year, to warrant a top 15 ranking? See how silly you sound??
You sound very angry......why it's just my opinion. Yes I have watched 2 f the 3 games (not the Duke game, also not in my top 15) and I.M.H.O. they are not playing like a top 15 team, nor do I think they have recruited very well over the last couple of years so I.M.H.O. I think they are on a down slope right now.

You also seem to make assumptions about people you have never met, so let me state unequivocally, I do not like Stony Brook or there coach in any way, so obviously my daughter does not go their, which should have been obvious when I said she does not attend any of my top 15 schools. You are quit obviously the parent of a N.U. student, or at least a rabid supporter of the program, so let me give you insight to my mindset. I am a fan of the game not to ay 1 school, I cheer hard for my daughter and want her to do well, but that measure of success does not hinge on how well her lacrosse team does in college. She has picked a difficult major that is frowned upon by most coaches, but still plays for a D1 team, and has played significant minuets, so I.M.H.O. she is already successful. She will leave school with a degree in something other than numbers and science, and will not have to do any additional years because she played the sport she loves. Will she win national championship...... no, but because of the hard work she puts in she's already a champion in my mind


Might you be the one who sounds angry? No parent of an NU student here. You don't think they have recruited well? They have a great group of young players. That is why they r "struggling", they r playing a ton of young players. I do always find it interesting when parents like to make backhanded digs at other kids like you just did. Basically saying that any kid who plays at a place like NU (or any other top lax program) is majoring in "numbers and science". Hate to inform you, but there are plenty of kids both playing high level lax and getting great degrees. Nobody said anything about your daughter. You are the only one here putting impressive young women down. Shame on you.
Syracuse spanked today! Looking forward to the showdown on Sunday between FL and SB. Think JS may get a schlacking! This will be a very telling game!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I.M.H.O.

1. UMD
2. FLA
3. ND
4. 'cuse
5. Princeton
6. UVA
7. Louisville
8. UNC
9. Penn St
10. Stony Brook
11. U Mass
12. Stanford
13. So Cal
14. Uconn
15. Towson



ok got it ... u r a NU hater ... Not a top 15 team? Silly
What has N.U. done THIS year to deserve being top 15


Well have you watched their games? I have. They are a top 15 team. They have lost on the road at SYR by 4 and UVA by 2. They won on the road at Duke by 3.

Last year they were 14-7 and were a final 8 team. When your favorite team, Stonybrook I'm sure, plays a real schedule, get back to me. What has Stones done THIS year, to warrant a top 15 ranking? See how silly you sound??
You sound very angry......why it's just my opinion. Yes I have watched 2 f the 3 games (not the Duke game, also not in my top 15) and I.M.H.O. they are not playing like a top 15 team, nor do I think they have recruited very well over the last couple of years so I.M.H.O. I think they are on a down slope right now.

You also seem to make assumptions about people you have never met, so let me state unequivocally, I do not like Stony Brook or there coach in any way, so obviously my daughter does not go their, which should have been obvious when I said she does not attend any of my top 15 schools. You are quit obviously the parent of a N.U. student, or at least a rabid supporter of the program, so let me give you insight to my mindset. I am a fan of the game not to ay 1 school, I cheer hard for my daughter and want her to do well, but that measure of success does not hinge on how well her lacrosse team does in college. She has picked a difficult major that is frowned upon by most coaches, but still plays for a D1 team, and has played significant minuets, so I.M.H.O. she is already successful. She will leave school with a degree in something other than numbers and science, and will not have to do any additional years because she played the sport she loves. Will she win national championship...... no, but because of the hard work she puts in she's already a champion in my mind


Might you be the one who sounds angry? No parent of an NU student here. You don't think they have recruited well? They have a great group of young players. That is why they r "struggling", they r playing a ton of young players. I do always find it interesting when parents like to make backhanded digs at other kids like you just did. Basically saying that any kid who plays at a place like NU (or any other top lax program) is majoring in "numbers and science". Hate to inform you, but there are plenty of kids both playing high level lax and getting great degrees. Nobody said anything about your daughter. You are the only one here putting impressive young women down. Shame on you.

!
Every roster is full of young [players!
Syracuse spanked today! Looking forward to the showdown on Sunday between FL and SB. Think JS may get a schlacking! This will be a very telling game!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse spanked today! Looking forward to the showdown on Sunday between FL and SB. Think JS may get a schlacking! This will be a very telling game!

The Florida Syracuse game was as close as they come. A one or two controversial calls at the end could of gone the other way and Syracuse wins. Florida won a nail biter in the OT, at the end there was a foul call and the goalie wasn't in the net, Quick pass and score on empty net was the difference. Two very strong teams. Florida looked dominant for much of the game, but Cuse's defense went hard.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You people with your make believe polls that bolster your daughters team is real sad state of affairs. Leave the polls alone there are three different ones that matter Louisville at 7 UVA at 6 Princeton all the way up to 5 after the really impressive one goal win over a poor unranked Georgetown team. Lololo
Agenda driven Stick to these
Iwlca coaches poll
Media poll
Nike lax mag


IWLCA is a joke. Early in the season polls should be based on actual performance not the previous season. As the year progresses the teams body of work is what should be considered. Duke lost to Elon and is 3 - 3. Sorry but based on YTD performance they should not be in the top 20. Tell me, if Rutgers, Umass, Villanova or Harvard had the exact same results as Duke would they be ranked? Virginia is 3-1 and beat a 1-2 Northwestern team yet somehow NU is ranked ahead of UVA. Princeton is 3-0 and beat Virginia by 7 goals yet Cav's are ranked 2 slots higher than the Tigers. Not sure Ohio State should be in there either based on there YTD SOS and performance. Questioning Stony Brook as well. Although I think they are a Top 10 team they have not done anything yet. Most teams have played between 3 and 5 games so far. I have a hard time giving credit to a team who has only played one game against a less competitive opponent.


You contradict yourself. How can early season polls be based on actual performance and then as the season progresses you base it on the body of work? There is no body of work early in the season so prior year (which includes returning players, recruiting an impact player as well) has to be the gauge to rank. As the teams play then the poll sorts itself out.

All polls, for any sport, start with the expectation of how a team will play. In D1 basketball Kentucky was ranked #1 early in the season but is now #22. Villanova was ranked #11 at the beginning of the season and was ranked #1.

So you are half right--as the teams play their games the polls will correct themselves. You have to also know polls were created for the sake of folks debating (arguing?). It's all good fun.


No contradiction at all. I said early in the season not "pre-season".

Might you be the one who sounds angry? No parent of an NU student here. You don't think they have recruited well? They have a great group of young players. That is why they r "struggling", they r playing a ton of young players. I do always find it interesting when parents like to make backhanded digs at other kids like you just did. Basically saying that any kid who plays at a place like NU (or any other top lax program) is majoring in "numbers and science". Hate to inform you, but there are plenty of kids both playing high level lax and getting great degrees. Nobody said anything about your daughter. You are the only one here putting impressive young women down. Shame on you. [/quote]
!
Every roster is full of young [players![/quote]

They don't start on every team numb nuts.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I.M.H.O.

1. UMD
2. FLA
3. ND
4. 'cuse
5. Princeton
6. UVA
7. Louisville
8. UNC
9. Penn St
10. Stony Brook
11. U Mass
12. Stanford
13. So Cal
14. Uconn
15. Towson



ok got it ... u r a NU hater ... Not a top 15 team? Silly
What has N.U. done THIS year to deserve being top 15


Well have you watched their games? I have. They are a top 15 team. They have lost on the road at SYR by 4 and UVA by 2. They won on the road at Duke by 3.

Last year they were 14-7 and were a final 8 team. When your favorite team, Stonybrook I'm sure, plays a real schedule, get back to me. What has Stones done THIS year, to warrant a top 15 ranking? See how silly you sound??
You sound very angry......why it's just my opinion. Yes I have watched 2 f the 3 games (not the Duke game, also not in my top 15) and I.M.H.O. they are not playing like a top 15 team, nor do I think they have recruited very well over the last couple of years so I.M.H.O. I think they are on a down slope right now.

You also seem to make assumptions about people you have never met, so let me state unequivocally, I do not like Stony Brook or there coach in any way, so obviously my daughter does not go their, which should have been obvious when I said she does not attend any of my top 15 schools. You are quit obviously the parent of a N.U. student, or at least a rabid supporter of the program, so let me give you insight to my mindset. I am a fan of the game not to ay 1 school, I cheer hard for my daughter and want her to do well, but that measure of success does not hinge on how well her lacrosse team does in college. She has picked a difficult major that is frowned upon by most coaches, but still plays for a D1 team, and has played significant minuets, so I.M.H.O. she is already successful. She will leave school with a degree in something other than numbers and science, and will not have to do any additional years because she played the sport she loves. Will she win national championship...... no, but because of the hard work she puts in she's already a champion in my mind


Might you be the one who sounds angry? No parent of an NU student here. You don't think they have recruited well? They have a great group of young players. That is why they r "struggling", they r playing a ton of young players. I do always find it interesting when parents like to make backhanded digs at other kids like you just did. Basically saying that any kid who plays at a place like NU (or any other top lax program) is majoring in "numbers and science". Hate to inform you, but there are plenty of kids both playing high level lax and getting great degrees. Nobody said anything about your daughter. You are the only one here putting impressive young women down. Shame on you.
I never said any girl was not a good payer, so what are you talking about. You really need to check your anger. I said N.U. isn't recruiting well, the group of girls they have recently recruited are not the as good as years past and I.M.H.O. will not be able to keep them in the top 20. I know that N.U. allows there players to take challenging majors, but you have to admit 17 of the top 20 do not, and if you don't YOU are the one kidding themselves. Many schools are playing young rosters, including my daughters team and with the addition of so many teams good players have the option to play and attend different schools, so what I have been saying is that any of them could surge far ahead at any time, or could drop just as fast. I personally find you obnoxious when you make it sound like a degree from the top 20 schools are somehow better than the bottom 20, it sounds like you are disparaging anyone not going to those schools when they are working just as hard in both the classroom and the gym. I am not angry at all i am grateful that my daughter is able to play the game she loves with good people at a high level that many girls that play will never know. She gets the added bonus of learning what it's like to take a team and build it through hard work
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Duke lost to Elon , which also takes away from USC win, pen state lost drop them down 3/4 spots Princeton 1 goal win over unranked Georgetown.



Got it, missed Elon over Duke. That changes some things.


1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Princeton
7. Stanford
8. Louisville
9. Virginia
10. Penn State
11. Stony Brook
12. Northwestern
13. Boston College
14. Towson
15. UConn
16. Massachusetts
17. Southern Cal
18. Vanderbilt
19. Elon
20. Loyola

Hopkins, Penn and Duke all out of the top 20 for now.


Most accurate ranking of all.
Wasn't Denver supposed to crack it this year like the men? Don't count Duke out they are too good. Has to be a chemistry thing early
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You people with your make believe polls that bolster your daughters team is real sad state of affairs. Leave the polls alone there are three different ones that matter Louisville at 7 UVA at 6 Princeton all the way up to 5 after the really impressive one goal win over a poor unranked Georgetown team. Lololo
Agenda driven Stick to these
Iwlca coaches poll
Media poll
Nike lax mag


IWLCA is a joke. Early in the season polls should be based on actual performance not the previous season. As the year progresses the teams body of work is what should be considered. Duke lost to Elon and is 3 - 3. Sorry but based on YTD performance they should not be in the top 20. Tell me, if Rutgers, Umass, Villanova or Harvard had the exact same results as Duke would they be ranked? Virginia is 3-1 and beat a 1-2 Northwestern team yet somehow NU is ranked ahead of UVA. Princeton is 3-0 and beat Virginia by 7 goals yet Cav's are ranked 2 slots higher than the Tigers. Not sure Ohio State should be in there either based on there YTD SOS and performance. Questioning Stony Brook as well. Although I think they are a Top 10 team they have not done anything yet. Most teams have played between 3 and 5 games so far. I have a hard time giving credit to a team who has only played one game against a less competitive opponent.


You contradict yourself. How can early season polls be based on actual performance and then as the season progresses you base it on the body of work? There is no body of work early in the season so prior year (which includes returning players, recruiting an impact player as well) has to be the gauge to rank. As the teams play then the poll sorts itself out.

All polls, for any sport, start with the expectation of how a team will play. In D1 basketball Kentucky was ranked #1 early in the season but is now #22. Villanova was ranked #11 at the beginning of the season and was ranked #1.

So you are half right--as the teams play their games the polls will correct themselves. You have to also know polls were created for the sake of folks debating (arguing?). It's all good fun.


No contradiction at all. I said early in the season not "pre-season".


At what point is "early in the season" over? After how many games is it no longer early in the season? Duke played a lot of games early and has fallen in the polls. Stony Brook played their first game on 2/28. The first couple of polls will be based on last year unless a team had a tremendous roster turnover.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You people with your make believe polls that bolster your daughters team is real sad state of affairs. Leave the polls alone there are three different ones that matter Louisville at 7 UVA at 6 Princeton all the way up to 5 after the really impressive one goal win over a poor unranked Georgetown team. Lololo
Agenda driven Stick to these
Iwlca coaches poll
Media poll
Nike lax mag


IWLCA is a joke. Early in the season polls should be based on actual performance not the previous season. As the year progresses the teams body of work is what should be considered. Duke lost to Elon and is 3 - 3. Sorry but based on YTD performance they should not be in the top 20. Tell me, if Rutgers, Umass, Villanova or Harvard had the exact same results as Duke would they be ranked? Virginia is 3-1 and beat a 1-2 Northwestern team yet somehow NU is ranked ahead of UVA. Princeton is 3-0 and beat Virginia by 7 goals yet Cav's are ranked 2 slots higher than the Tigers. Not sure Ohio State should be in there either based on there YTD SOS and performance. Questioning Stony Brook as well. Although I think they are a Top 10 team they have not done anything yet. Most teams have played between 3 and 5 games so far. I have a hard time giving credit to a team who has only played one game against a less competitive opponent.


You contradict yourself. How can early season polls be based on actual performance and then as the season progresses you base it on the body of work? There is no body of work early in the season so prior year (which includes returning players, recruiting an impact player as well) has to be the gauge to rank. As the teams play then the poll sorts itself out.

All polls, for any sport, start with the expectation of how a team will play. In D1 basketball Kentucky was ranked #1 early in the season but is now #22. Villanova was ranked #11 at the beginning of the season and was ranked #1.

So you are half right--as the teams play their games the polls will correct themselves. You have to also know polls were created for the sake of folks debating (arguing?). It's all good fun.


No contradiction at all. I said early in the season not "pre-season".


At what point is "early in the season" over? After how many games is it no longer early in the season? Duke played a lot of games early and has fallen in the polls. Stony Brook played their first game on 2/28. The first couple of polls will be based on last year unless a team had a tremendous roster turnover.


I would say once the season begins "pre-season" poll's are out the window. Poll's and rankings should be based on actual results (not on prior year). If a team were ranked #1 pre-season but lost their first game they would not and should not be ranked #1 the following week. Early in the season head to head matters more than it does later in the season. If Duke were 12 - 1 and lost to Elon who was 5 - 6 and not in the top 20 I would keep duke ranked above Elon. However with a limited body of work early in the season you have to rank based on actual results. Stony Brook has played one game against a less competitive team you cant rank them ahead of teams that have played 3, 4 or 5 games against some tough competition.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Might you be the one who sounds angry? No parent of an NU student here. You don't think they have recruited well? They have a great group of young players. That is why they r "struggling", they r playing a ton of young players. I do always find it interesting when parents like to make backhanded digs at other kids like you just did. Basically saying that any kid who plays at a place like NU (or any other top lax program) is majoring in "numbers and science". Hate to inform you, but there are plenty of kids both playing high level lax and getting great degrees. Nobody said anything about your daughter. You are the only one here putting impressive young women down. Shame on you.

!
Every roster is full of young [players![/quote]

They don't start on every team numb nuts. [/quote]

Florida. BC. Cuse. ND. etc all have freshman starting and doing quit well
Take it easy, your getting all worked up for no reason. Who cares about a poll on a forum. You made your point, no need to have a heart attack over it.
What's going on at JMU and Loyola? Both are traditionally strong programs and both are struggling at 1-3. And, what about Johns Hopkins? They are 3-1, but their three wins were against weak teams (only 4 wins between them) and then they lost to a weak Loyola team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Might you be the one who sounds angry? No parent of an NU student here. You don't think they have recruited well? They have a great group of young players. That is why they r "struggling", they r playing a ton of young players. I do always find it interesting when parents like to make backhanded digs at other kids like you just did. Basically saying that any kid who plays at a place like NU (or any other top lax program) is majoring in "numbers and science". Hate to inform you, but there are plenty of kids both playing high level lax and getting great degrees. Nobody said anything about your daughter. You are the only one here putting impressive young women down. Shame on you.

!
Every roster is full of young [players!


They don't start on every team numb nuts. [/quote]

Florida. BC. Cuse. ND. etc all have freshman starting and doing quit well[/quote]

Um BC got slapped by ND 14-4 and lost to Louisville.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Might you be the one who sounds angry? No parent of an NU student here. You don't think they have recruited well? They have a great group of young players. That is why they r "struggling", they r playing a ton of young players. I do always find it interesting when parents like to make backhanded digs at other kids like you just did. Basically saying that any kid who plays at a place like NU (or any other top lax program) is majoring in "numbers and science". Hate to inform you, but there are plenty of kids both playing high level lax and getting great degrees. Nobody said anything about your daughter. You are the only one here putting impressive young women down. Shame on you.

!
Every roster is full of young [players!


They don't start on every team numb nuts.


Florida. BC. Cuse. ND. etc all have freshman starting and doing quit well[/quote]

Um BC got slapped by ND 14-4 and lost to Louisville. [/quote]and ND has 2 starting frosh including the goalie whats your point, our point is NU is not playing as well and should not be top 15
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's going on at JMU and Loyola? Both are traditionally strong programs and both are struggling at 1-3. And, what about Johns Hopkins? They are 3-1, but their three wins were against weak teams (only 4 wins between them) and then they lost to a weak Loyola team.


Maybe I am wrong but I view this as a transparent attempt to bash Loyola. What is the agenda? In one sentence you say Loyola is struggling because they are 1 - 3 (you must know that their YTD SOS has been as tough as anyone's. #2 Syracuse, #3 Florida, #17 Towson and #16/18 Hopkins). Both the Hopkins and Towson games are extra competitive as the schools are all within a few miles of each other, the games are spirited and played for bragging rights. In the next sentence you attempt to diminish their win over Hopkins by pointing out that JHU is 3 - 1 (now 3-2 W/loss to PSU) but their record is irrelevant because they beat weak teams.

I commend Loyola for challenging themselves with such a demanding out of conference schedule. They could go 1 -5 considering their next two games are Penn State and Virginia.

Even at 1 - 5 I would give them consideration for the top 20 over a teams that have winning records but have weak schedules.



So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Might you be the one who sounds angry? No parent of an NU student here. You don't think they have recruited well? They have a great group of young players. That is why they r "struggling", they r playing a ton of young players. I do always find it interesting when parents like to make backhanded digs at other kids like you just did. Basically saying that any kid who plays at a place like NU (or any other top lax program) is majoring in "numbers and science". Hate to inform you, but there are plenty of kids both playing high level lax and getting great degrees. Nobody said anything about your daughter. You are the only one here putting impressive young women down. Shame on you.

!
Every roster is full of young [players!


They don't start on every team numb nuts.


Florida. BC. Cuse. ND. etc all have freshman starting and doing quit well


Um BC got slapped by ND 14-4 and lost to Louisville. [/quote]and ND has 2 starting frosh including the goalie whats your point, our point is NU is not playing as well and should not be top 15[/quote]

My point is that NU is most definitely a top 15 team. I have yet to see you make the point that they are not. You are just stating it without any fact. Happy to hear the case. Lay it out. If you have watched their games I think you would conclude they are a top 15 team. They are not a top 5 team. But what have you seen that makes you think they are not top 15?
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


Officiating has never been worse and bad officiating is deciding waaaaaaaaaaaaay too many games.If you are going to be horrible, just let the game play out and don't be the deciding factor. How about we just focus on getting the hatchet girls out of the games? That should be an easy one and they can't even get that right
But some teams still continue to try to cheat with illegal sticks and then cry and try to weasel there way out when the refs call them for it!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


Officiating has never been worse and bad officiating is deciding waaaaaaaaaaaaay too many games.If you are going to be horrible, just let the game play out and don't be the deciding factor. How about we just focus on getting the hatchet girls out of the games? That should be an easy one and they can't even get that right


Personal and Team foul limits would help a lot. Also, Red Cards are there for a reason. Use them when they are called for. Have never seen one used and have seen plenty of situations where they could have been.

If the penalty is strong enough, the fouls will slow down and the game will flow much better. I don't think the solution is to just call less and let the game get even more physical.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


Officiating has never been worse and bad officiating is deciding waaaaaaaaaaaaay too many games.If you are going to be horrible, just let the game play out and don't be the deciding factor. How about we just focus on getting the hatchet girls out of the games? That should be an easy one and they can't even get that right


Personal and Team foul limits would help a lot. Also, Red Cards are there for a reason. Use them when they are called for. Have never seen one used and have seen plenty of situations where they could have been.

If the penalty is strong enough, the fouls will slow down and the game will flow much better. I don't think the solution is to just call less and let the game get even more physical.
I agree with the person fouls, it should be like basketball, 5 personals (pushing, tripping, cross check, illegal stick check checking across the body, in the sphere) and your out of the game. inadvertent contact to the head and uncontrolled checks are a yellow card, two yellows and your out of the game. Deliberate or serious contact to a player anywhere on the body is a red card. allow movement of all players on stopped play like the mens game and really inform the 4 meter space that must be given and restart by the ref as soon as the ball is in the cross, just like the mens game, this fast start sucks. Stop penalizing the offense with obstruction, have the continuation of the play, in no other game is the offense penalized for a defensive foul, so long as the shot is dangerous the shot should count, HANG THE DAMB FLAG
And can we please keep it to 3 women in the midfield until there is possession on a draw
It seems that the NU doubters have been proven right! Louisville embarrassed them today - where do you rank them now?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It seems that the NU doubters have been proven right! Louisville embarrassed them today - where do you rank them now?


i said Louisville will likely beat them. I agree that this was worse offensively than i thought it would be. I think Louisville is a top 8 team. I'm not arguing that NU is a top 8 team. Just still don't think they r below 15. Lets see. They have played four teams (3 top 10) on the road. I think they will prove to be exactly what I think they are. A good, not great, team that finishes the season above 15 rank. I guess we will have to see.
how about offsides!!!!
Make that a serious call maybe 30 seconds man down.
I know thats the mens game
Originally Posted by MKVELE
And can we please keep it to 3 women in the midfield until there is possession on a draw


Amen Brother
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Oh my god mom can't you let it go. OK you are right a team with 3 losses is defiantly a top 15 team...... no,no a top 5 team how could I dare say your sweet darling and her team are not on the same level ad Maryland, I mean what was I thinking it's not like there losing. Your little prodigy did so well at her public.......oh wait no she didn't thats why you sent her to the privet... but that was the coaches fault or so I heard you say at UA. I'm sorry I will never again turn down your help in trying to straighten me out with your idea of the facts. let me revise my list.


1. Northwestern
2. Northwestern
3. Northwestern
4. Northwestern
5. Northwestern
6. wait there is no one els list done
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


Officiating has never been worse and bad officiating is deciding waaaaaaaaaaaaay too many games.If you are going to be horrible, just let the game play out and don't be the deciding factor. How about we just focus on getting the hatchet girls out of the games? That should be an easy one and they can't even get that right


Personal and Team foul limits would help a lot. Also, Red Cards are there for a reason. Use them when they are called for. Have never seen one used and have seen plenty of situations where they could have been.

If the penalty is strong enough, the fouls will slow down and the game will flow much better. I don't think the solution is to just call less and let the game get even more physical.


Couldn't agree more with team and personal foul caps. Get back to playing the game and take the ticky tack fouls out of the game. Will mess with some coaches and some players that love swinging the stick
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


Officiating has never been worse and bad officiating is deciding waaaaaaaaaaaaay too many games.If you are going to be horrible, just let the game play out and don't be the deciding factor. How about we just focus on getting the hatchet girls out of the games? That should be an easy one and they can't even get that right


Personal and Team foul limits would help a lot. Also, Red Cards are there for a reason. Use them when they are called for. Have never seen one used and have seen plenty of situations where they could have been.

If the penalty is strong enough, the fouls will slow down and the game will flow much better. I don't think the solution is to just call less and let the game get even more physical.


Couldn't agree more with team and personal foul caps. Get back to playing the game and take the ticky tack fouls out of the game. Will mess with some coaches and some players that love swinging the stick


10 yellow cards in NU Louisville game
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Oh my god mom can't you let it go. OK you are right a team with 3 losses is defiantly a top 15 team...... no,no a top 5 team how could I dare say your sweet darling and her team are not on the same level ad Maryland, I mean what was I thinking it's not like there losing. Your little prodigy did so well at her public.......oh wait no she didn't thats why you sent her to the privet... but that was the coaches fault or so I heard you say at UA. I'm sorry I will never again turn down your help in trying to straighten me out with your idea of the facts. let me revise my list.


1. Northwestern
2. Northwestern
3. Northwestern
4. Northwestern
5. Northwestern
6. wait there is no one els list done


that was funny ... i'm the original NU poster. There have been some others apparently. I will concede to you for now smile Out of curiosity, what team does your daughter play for? Or league if that is less revealing?
Looking forward to the SB game on Sunday. Will be revealing. Have the feeling someone may be overrated!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Oh my god mom can't you let it go. OK you are right a team with 3 losses is defiantly a top 15 team...... no,no a top 5 team how could I dare say your sweet darling and her team are not on the same level ad Maryland, I mean what was I thinking it's not like there losing. Your little prodigy did so well at her public.......oh wait no she didn't thats why you sent her to the privet... but that was the coaches fault or so I heard you say at UA. I'm sorry I will never again turn down your help in trying to straighten me out with your idea of the facts. let me revise my list.


1. Northwestern
2. Northwestern
3. Northwestern
4. Northwestern
5. Northwestern
6. wait there is no one els list done


that was funny ... i'm the original NU poster. There have been some others apparently. I will concede to you for now smile Out of curiosity, what team does your daughter play for? Or league if that is less revealing?
what do you think I am stupid. Suffice to say that her team is in the bottom half but working hard to advance, like many others. every year it gets closer for every team
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Oh my god mom can't you let it go. OK you are right a team with 3 losses is defiantly a top 15 team...... no,no a top 5 team how could I dare say your sweet darling and her team are not on the same level ad Maryland, I mean what was I thinking it's not like there losing. Your little prodigy did so well at her public.......oh wait no she didn't thats why you sent her to the privet... but that was the coaches fault or so I heard you say at UA. I'm sorry I will never again turn down your help in trying to straighten me out with your idea of the facts. let me revise my list.


1. Northwestern
2. Northwestern
3. Northwestern
4. Northwestern
5. Northwestern
6. wait there is no one els list done


that was funny ... i'm the original NU poster. There have been some others apparently. I will concede to you for now smile Out of curiosity, what team does your daughter play for? Or league if that is less revealing?
what do you think I am stupid. Suffice to say that her team is in the bottom half but working hard to advance, like many others. every year it gets closer for every team


no it doesn't
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking forward to the SB game on Sunday. Will be revealing. Have the feeling someone may be overrated!

Who ? It's #10 vs #2 (3 but beat Cuse) this week. Based on that Florida should win by 4/5 goals Stony Brook is a real tough athletic well coached team that certainly won't roll over. Neither team is overrated bot teams rankings to me seem very accurate
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Oh my god mom can't you let it go. OK you are right a team with 3 losses is defiantly a top 15 team...... no,no a top 5 team how could I dare say your sweet darling and her team are not on the same level ad Maryland, I mean what was I thinking it's not like there losing. Your little prodigy did so well at her public.......oh wait no she didn't thats why you sent her to the privet... but that was the coaches fault or so I heard you say at UA. I'm sorry I will never again turn down your help in trying to straighten me out with your idea of the facts. let me revise my list.


1. Northwestern
2. Northwestern
3. Northwestern
4. Northwestern
5. Northwestern
6. wait there is no one els list done


Why are you personally attacking a kid? Could it be some jealousy or are you just that much of a coward. If its the kid I think you are talking about then you may want to get some help i.e. medication because she will ALWAYS be a better athlete and student than your daughter.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Oh my god mom can't you let it go. OK you are right a team with 3 losses is defiantly a top 15 team...... no,no a top 5 team how could I dare say your sweet darling and her team are not on the same level ad Maryland, I mean what was I thinking it's not like there losing. Your little prodigy did so well at her public.......oh wait no she didn't thats why you sent her to the privet... but that was the coaches fault or so I heard you say at UA. I'm sorry I will never again turn down your help in trying to straighten me out with your idea of the facts. let me revise my list.


1. Northwestern
2. Northwestern
3. Northwestern
4. Northwestern
5. Northwestern
6. wait there is no one els list done


that was funny ... i'm the original NU poster. There have been some others apparently. I will concede to you for now smile Out of curiosity, what team does your daughter play for? Or league if that is less revealing?
what do you think I am stupid. Suffice to say that her team is in the bottom half but working hard to advance, like many others. every year it gets closer for every team


no it doesn't
do you even look at the scores or do you just look at the top 10 and see that they are beating every one,
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Oh my god mom can't you let it go. OK you are right a team with 3 losses is defiantly a top 15 team...... no,no a top 5 team how could I dare say your sweet darling and her team are not on the same level ad Maryland, I mean what was I thinking it's not like there losing. Your little prodigy did so well at her public.......oh wait no she didn't thats why you sent her to the privet... but that was the coaches fault or so I heard you say at UA. I'm sorry I will never again turn down your help in trying to straighten me out with your idea of the facts. let me revise my list.


1. Northwestern
2. Northwestern
3. Northwestern
4. Northwestern
5. Northwestern
6. wait there is no one els list done


You have issues. Clearly have some inferiority complex. I hope your daughter isn't as angry as you are that she couldn't compete with whoever it is you are tlking about.
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Oh my god mom can't you let it go. OK you are right a team with 3 losses is defiantly a top 15 team...... no,no a top 5 team how could I dare say your sweet darling and her team are not on the same level ad Maryland, I mean what was I thinking it's not like there losing. Your little prodigy did so well at her public.......oh wait no she didn't thats why you sent her to the privet... but that was the coaches fault or so I heard you say at UA. I'm sorry I will never again turn down your help in trying to straighten me out with your idea of the facts. let me revise my list.


1. Northwestern
2. Northwestern
3. Northwestern
4. Northwestern
5. Northwestern
6. wait there is no one els list done


that was funny ... i'm the original NU poster. There have been some others apparently. I will concede to you for now smile Out of curiosity, what team does your daughter play for? Or league if that is less revealing?
what do you think I am stupid. Suffice to say that her team is in the bottom half but working hard to advance, like many others. every year it gets closer for every team


You spent an awful lot of time analyzing the top 20 with a daughter in the bottom half of the country. Get a life - or at least a job!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Oh my god mom can't you let it go. OK you are right a team with 3 losses is defiantly a top 15 team...... no,no a top 5 team how could I dare say your sweet darling and her team are not on the same level ad Maryland, I mean what was I thinking it's not like there losing. Your little prodigy did so well at her public.......oh wait no she didn't thats why you sent her to the privet... but that was the coaches fault or so I heard you say at UA. I'm sorry I will never again turn down your help in trying to straighten me out with your idea of the facts. let me revise my list.


1. Northwestern
2. Northwestern
3. Northwestern
4. Northwestern
5. Northwestern
6. wait there is no one els list done


You have issues. Clearly have some inferiority complex. I hope your daughter isn't as angry as you are that she couldn't compete with whoever it is you are tlking about.
I don't have an inferiority complex, I know just where I stand in the world and I am fine with it. I unlike most people on this site that are afraid to assign a name to there thoughts, don't need to live my life through my daughter, her success, or the name of a school. I don't judge person, a team or a school by a teams ability to put a ball in a net. If you were paying attention I had clearly moved on from the rantings of the above mentioned people, it was them\you that couldn't handle an opinion of a nobody that will not agree your opinion of how fantastic a team is or isn't. But in the end I stand by my statement, wether you like it or not. By the way not only do I think NU isn't a top 20, I don't think there a top 30
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Oh my god mom can't you let it go. OK you are right a team with 3 losses is defiantly a top 15 team...... no,no a top 5 team how could I dare say your sweet darling and her team are not on the same level ad Maryland, I mean what was I thinking it's not like there losing. Your little prodigy did so well at her public.......oh wait no she didn't thats why you sent her to the privet... but that was the coaches fault or so I heard you say at UA. I'm sorry I will never again turn down your help in trying to straighten me out with your idea of the facts. let me revise my list.


1. Northwestern
2. Northwestern
3. Northwestern
4. Northwestern
5. Northwestern
6. wait there is no one els list done


You have issues. Clearly have some inferiority complex. I hope your daughter isn't as angry as you are that she couldn't compete with whoever it is you are tlking about.
I don't have an inferiority complex, I know just where I stand in the world and I am fine with it. I unlike most people on this site that are afraid to assign a name to there thoughts, don't need to live my life through my daughter, her success, or the name of a school. I don't judge person, a team or a school by a teams ability to put a ball in a net. If you were paying attention I had clearly moved on from the rantings of the above mentioned people, it was them\you that couldn't handle an opinion of a nobody that will not agree your opinion of how fantastic a team is or isn't. But in the end I stand by my statement, wether you like it or not. By the way not only do I think NU isn't a top 20, I don't think there a top 30


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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=MKVELE]So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Oh my god mom can't you let it go. OK you are right a team with 3 losses is defiantly a top 15 team...... no,no a top 5 team how could I dare say your sweet darling and her team are not on the same level ad Maryland, I mean what was I thinking it's not like there losing. Your little prodigy did so well at her public.......oh wait no she didn't thats why you sent her to the privet... but that was the coaches fault or so I heard you say at UA. I'm sorry I will never again turn down your help in trying to straighten me out with your idea of the facts. let me revise my list.


1. Northwestern
2. Northwestern
3. Northwestern
4. Northwestern
5. Northwestern
6. wait there is no one els list done


You have issues. Clearly have some inferiority complex. I hope your daughter isn't as angry as you are that she couldn't compete with whoever it is you are tlking about.
I don't have an inferiority complex, I know just where I stand in the world and I am fine with it. I unlike most people on this site that are afraid to assign a name to there thoughts, don't need to live my life through my daughter, her success, or the name of a school. I don't judge person, a team or a school by a teams ability to put a ball in a net. If you were paying attention I had clearly moved on from the rantings of the above mentioned people, it was them\you that couldn't handle an opinion of a nobody that will not agree your opinion of how fantastic a team is or isn't. But in the end I stand by my statement, wether you like it or not. By the way not only do I think NU isn't a top 20, I don't think there a top 30


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Anyone know how Hofstra did today?
How about a big hand for all the freshman representing LI, with some outstanding play, at the highest level. Really good showing so far. Congratulations to all.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how Hofstra did today?


I guess this is a rhetorical question? They got killed 20-5.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how Hofstra did today?


5 Hofstra 15 Maryland
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how Hofstra did today?


TERRIBLE
Originally Posted by MKVELE
One last thing NU lost to both teams they suck just like your daughter did in HS. so no go complain about that to everyone that will listen


It's very strange. NU is a much much much better school than where your daughter is attending. And it's much much much better at lacrosse. So a student athlete there is BOTH getting a better education AND a better lacrosse experience. You, my friend, are one jealous man.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how Hofstra did today?


I guess this is a rhetorical question? They got killed 20-5.


Serious question please don't get nasty- since SS hand picked this roster, and With the graduate player dominating and the considering the current losing streak, should a verbal recruit consider other options? Just doesn't seem like there is any teamwork, more like run to the goal.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how Hofstra did today?


I guess this is a rhetorical question? They got killed 20-5.


Serious question please don't get nasty- since SS hand picked this roster, and With the graduate player dominating and the considering the current losing streak, should a verbal recruit consider other options? Just doesn't seem like there is any teamwork, more like run to the goal.


No reason to panic on Hofstra, no matter what the YJ people might imply. The roster is dominated by sophomores and freshmen. This occurs from time to time in every sport in college. Next year and the year after will be much better. Why isn't anyone talking about the weak performance of Navy (dominated by BC), or JMU (barely beat Denver), or Johns Hopkins (lost to Ohio State) or any other team that isn't playing up to their usual standards? Of course, as we all know, it's the YJ pukes trying to stir up a bunch of crap. Childish and silly behavior.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how Hofstra did today?


Why don't you ask CR? Isn't that where all you YJ'ers get your marching orders and information.
Georgetown is 0-4. Ask CR for permission to bash them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how Hofstra did today?


I guess this is a rhetorical question? They got killed 20-5.


Serious question please don't get nasty- since SS hand picked this roster, and With the graduate player dominating and the considering the current losing streak, should a verbal recruit consider other options? Just doesn't seem like there is any teamwork, more like run to the goal.


That's how SS played the game, but her recruits aren't up to the challenge, she cant or wont ever adjust, keep pounding a square peg into a round hole and let me know how it works out. I believe the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result - that's her coaching style
Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Remember a degree from Stanford, NU, Harvard is WAYYYYY better than wherever your daughter is scraping by at. Sorry bud, but your daughter will be working for mine.
you're spending $60,000.00 for a liberal arts major,Your best hope is that she meets a man that can stand to be with her for more than a minuet at a time, but if she's anything like her mother that isn't going to happen. She obviously gets her intelligence from her mother also, what dope would drop that much money and on Liberal Arts. My daughter has a real major that your daughter could't handle alone, never mind play lacrosse at the same time, and she will not be going into the demanding field of Liberal Arts like yours is so the chances oh my kid working for yours is very remote. But that was a predictable response from a NU parent, snobbish and boorish, You think because your little darling goes to a school it will automatically equal success....... we'll see what happens when mommy has to stop lobbying for everything for her and she needs to stand on her own. The good news for her is when you finally expire, like we all will, hopefully you and your "husband" leave her a good inheritance, maybe then he will become attractive enough to land a husband
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
One last thing NU lost to both teams they suck just like your daughter did in HS. so no go complain about that to everyone that will listen


It's very strange. NU is a much much much better school than where your daughter is attending. And it's much much much better at lacrosse. So a student athlete there is BOTH getting a better education AND a better lacrosse experience. You, my friend, are one jealous man.
And by the way your daughter is all the proof needed that NU isn't recruiting well
To all posters and Moderators I apologize for the recent posts, It is difficult to have an anonymous poster personally attack your daughter because of MY opinion and I will stop
Is this nonsense being posted by adults ?
Originally Posted by MKVELE
To all posters and Moderators I apologize for the recent posts, It is difficult to have an anonymous poster personally attack your daughter because of MY opinion and I will stop


No one has the right to attack your daughter. I will see if I can find it.

Only a jealous coward who feels their life is completely empty would do that. I am sorry that it happened.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how Hofstra did today?


I guess this is a rhetorical question? They got killed 20-5.


Serious question please don't get nasty- since SS hand picked this roster, and With the graduate player dominating and the considering the current losing streak, should a verbal recruit consider other options? Just doesn't seem like there is any teamwork, more like run to the goal.


I'm a TG player, and my best friends play for YJ and we never have problems or fight about who is on what team. I wish parents wouldn't either, because we don't care. I'm just asking a question because I don't want to regret any decision considering I might be spending 4 years at Hofstra. I have other choices and it's not just about winning but when I watch Hofstra games it just doesn't look like a lot of teamwork.
No reason to panic on Hofstra, no matter what the YJ people might imply. The roster is dominated by sophomores and freshmen. This occurs from time to time in every sport in college. Next year and the year after will be much better. Why isn't anyone talking about the weak performance of Navy (dominated by BC), or JMU (barely beat Denver), or Johns Hopkins (lost to Ohio State) or any other team that isn't playing up to their usual standards? Of course, as we all know, it's the YJ pukes trying to stir up a bunch of crap. Childish and silly behavior.
To the TG player committed to Hofstra, or any girl wanting to play in college.Go to a school that you will be happy at both on and off the field, If you are going to go into debt for college make sure that you receive a degree that will allow you to make a decent living. Lacrosse will only last 4 years, without playoffs thats 62 games, if your going to invest the time and money go to a school where you will play in games. Study hard and become good at what you major in and the name on the top of the diploma will not mean as much as the character of it's recipient. there are successful people from hundreds of schools. Be happy, play hard and study hard, success will follow. What I consider most important is do not mortgage your future for a game, remember only 62 game are guaranteed so choose a school for a major not a lacrosse program because you will spend far more time at a job than on a lacrosse field......bee smart not a lemming
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how Hofstra did today?


I guess this is a rhetorical question? They got killed 20-5.


Serious question please don't get nasty- since SS hand picked this roster, and With the graduate player dominating and the considering the current losing streak, should a verbal recruit consider other options? Just doesn't seem like there is any teamwork, more like run to the goal.


I'm a TG player, and my best friends play for YJ and we never have problems or fight about who is on what team. I wish parents wouldn't either, because we don't care. I'm just asking a question because I don't want to regret any decision considering I might be spending 4 years at Hofstra. I have other choices and it's not just about winning but when I watch Hofstra games it just doesn't look like a lot of teamwork.
No reason to panic on Hofstra, no matter what the YJ people might imply. The roster is dominated by sophomores and freshmen. This occurs from time to time in every sport in college. Next year and the year after will be much better. Why isn't anyone talking about the weak performance of Navy (dominated by BC), or JMU (barely beat Denver), or Johns Hopkins (lost to Ohio State) or any other team that isn't playing up to their usual standards? Of course, as we all know, it's the YJ pukes trying to stir up a bunch of crap. Childish and silly behavior.


If your best friend plays for YJ, then why would you call them "YJ Pukes". Seems that you are contradicting yourself. Re-read before you hit "submit" and clarify yourself when need be (hopefully you meant to refer to PUKES as only the parents who spout off). Otherwise you are just part of the problem.

If you are indeed a student, good luck! (still some doubt, but assuming so). Don't look here or to any online source other than reputable (no offense BOTC), source on academics and how it will set you on a path to your future career (also look into graduating rates of your selected school for athletes, this will give you an idea of the level of academic support these athletic departments give their athletes). Lax will enhance your college experience, but it still will be the secondary purpose of going to a school. Primary is your education and the leg up it will give you in life. Lax is great if it gets you into a better academic school than you may have if you were a regular student, and/or any sort of financial assistance is great no matter how small. Lax will also give you access you scheduling preferences, student advisors and tutors through the athletic department that you wont have to pay for and other regular students don't have access to, you will also make great friends who share a common passion for sport. So those are also additional benefits of being a student athlete. Go play lax and do your thing because you have a life, all of us old adults have made our kids our lives so we spend too much time here (if you're here people it's the truth, not bashing just saying, myself included).
I think she made a mistake when she posted. Another poster wrote the part of the answer that starts at "No reason to panic..." She put her part ahead of another poster.
Originally Posted by MKVELE
To the TG player committed to Hofstra, or any girl wanting to play in college.Go to a school that you will be happy at both on and off the field, If you are going to go into debt for college make sure that you receive a degree that will allow you to make a decent living. Lacrosse will only last 4 years, without playoffs thats 62 games, if your going to invest the time and money go to a school where you will play in games. Study hard and become good at what you major in and the name on the top of the diploma will not mean as much as the character of it's recipient. there are successful people from hundreds of schools. Be happy, play hard and study hard, success will follow. What I consider most important is do not mortgage your future for a game, remember only 62 game are guaranteed so choose a school for a major not a lacrosse program because you will spend far more time at a job than on a lacrosse field......bee smart not a lemming


Amen! Great advice. Academics/major first-lacrosse second. Even new programs that don't have much chance of winning may be the right fit for a player, or a traditionally "weak" team may be the right fit. Do not fall into the trap of choosing your school based on peer pressure.
SS was the best YJ ever.......
Long Island freshman ripping it up at D1. Syracuse attacker, Boston College attacker, Notre Dame goalie and attacker, Florida middie and attacker.
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Oh my god mom can't you let it go. OK you are right a team with 3 losses is defiantly a top 15 team...... no,no a top 5 team how could I dare say your sweet darling and her team are not on the same level ad Maryland, I mean what was I thinking it's not like there losing. Your little prodigy did so well at her public.......oh wait no she didn't thats why you sent her to the privet... but that was the coaches fault or so I heard you say at UA. I'm sorry I will never again turn down your help in trying to straighten me out with your idea of the facts. let me revise my list.


1. Northwestern
2. Northwestern
3. Northwestern
4. Northwestern
5. Northwestern
6. wait there is no one els list done


post 153330 ... It is in fact MKVELE who singled out a specific girl with details that started this.
just watched SB v Fla Stony brook looked very good
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think she made a mistake when she posted. Another poster wrote the part of the answer that starts at "No reason to panic..." She put her part ahead of another poster.


That's correct thank you. And thank you to everyone for your advice. I'm torn between an up and coming D2 school with new dorms and and a great business program that will give me more money than Hofstra. It also seems more comfortable, so I'm going to visit again. Would be great graduate debt free.
Originally Posted by MKVELE
just watched SB v Fla Stony brook looked very good


I agree was speaking to a parent I know from SB and they were without two midfield starters Was awesome for my daughter to see such a great evenly matched game Two goal posts for SB turned out to be important. Very large crowd as well.
Nice win for Florida today. They definitely looked better than SB, leading most of the game. SB put up a good fight, we're just overplayed!
Originally Posted by MKVELE
just watched SB v Fla Stony brook looked very good


Was there too, rooting for SB. Scary part is Florida played the sloppiest game ever and still won. If they played a clean game, would have been a blowout. SB needs to start recruiting draw specialists, got killed on the draw today. Sick behind the back shot!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice win for Florida today. They definitely looked better than SB, leading most of the game. SB put up a good fight, we're just overplayed!


All these games will be much better next year when the team with the lead cant go and hide for the last 8 minutes of the game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
just watched SB v Fla Stony brook looked very good


Was there too, rooting for SB. Scary part is Florida played the sloppiest game ever and still won. If they played a clean game, would have been a blowout. SB needs to start recruiting draw specialists, got killed on the draw today. Sick behind the back shot!


I'd like to see them recruit outside of NY/LI as well. I think they would contend with a mix from players from outside NY.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
just watched SB v Fla Stony brook looked very good


I agree was speaking to a parent I know from SB and they were without two midfield starters Was awesome for my daughter to see such a great evenly matched game Two goal posts for SB turned out to be important. Very large crowd as well.


Certainly correct about crowd, that was an all time record crowd for a SB game by almost double.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
just watched SB v Fla Stony brook looked very good


Was there too, rooting for SB. Scary part is Florida played the sloppiest game ever and still won. If they played a clean game, would have been a blowout. SB needs to start recruiting draw specialists, got killed on the draw today. Sick behind the back shot!


SB was outcoached, but nice effort !
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
just watched SB v Fla Stony brook looked very good


I agree was speaking to a parent I know from SB and they were without two midfield starters Was awesome for my daughter to see such a great evenly matched game Two goal posts for SB turned out to be important. Very large crowd as well.


Certainly correct about crowd, that was an all time record crowd for a SB game by almost double.


Glad to hear that. So much interest and great lacrosse here on LI.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice win for Florida today. They definitely looked better than SB, leading most of the game. SB put up a good fight, we're just overplayed!


All these games will be much better next year when the team with the lead cant go and hide for the last 8 minutes of the game
SB held the ball for more than three minuets twice with under 10 minuets left in the game. They just passed it around with no real urgency to score while down by a goal. You can't really say that thats the team with the lead hiding can you
Here you go: The Professors Rankings

1. Maryland
2. Florida
3. Louisville
4. North Carolina
5. Syracuse
6. Princeton
7. Stony Brook
8. Notre Dame
9. Stanford
10. Virginia
11. Penn State
12. Towson
13. Boston College
14. Northwestern
15. UConn
16. Southern Cal
17. Umass
18. Temple
19. Colorado
20. Loyola

Others schools considered

Vanderbilt
Penn
Duke
Delaware
Hopkins
Elon
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice win for Florida today. They definitely looked better than SB, leading most of the game. SB put up a good fight, we're just overplayed!


All these games will be much better next year when the team with the lead cant go and hide for the last 8 minutes of the game
SB held the ball for more than three minuets twice with under 10 minuets left in the game. They just passed it around with no real urgency to score while down by a goal. You can't really say that thats the team with the lead hiding can you


Florida is a team with better players and a better coach. That's why they won and are ranked #2 . Please stop. SB tried, but the better team won! Was fun to watch!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
just watched SB v Fla Stony brook looked very good


Was there too, rooting for SB. Scary part is Florida played the sloppiest game ever and still won. If they played a clean game, would have been a blowout. SB needs to start recruiting draw specialists, got killed on the draw today. Sick behind the back shot!


So you were rooting for SB but you've watched every game of Florida close enough to compare "sloppiest" efforts. Clearly you posted w an agenda Go a step further as SB was missing two starting midfielders ? Nah just half the facts. Florida has top two recruits in country and ranked #2 and only beat SB by one. Floridas coach holds the clip board and stands there. SB is clearly a better coached squad evident by a one goal game w a much higher ranked team. Facts only please. I've only heard about both these teams and went in open minded Very entertaining game that's my assessment I know players and parents on both teams. Interesting how SB D held top Florida players quiet and Florida played Ohmiller really well. Great day for LI LACROSSE Spallina is building something special there that place was jumping today
What is going on at Hofstra hearing rumblings
One of SBU's starting midfielders sprained her ankle on Saturday, the day before the game. She quarterbacks their offense which left them in a bad spot with no real time to fix it. On a 1 goal game switching who you run your plays through makes a huge difference. Also, SBUs freshman goalie came up with some big saves but made a rookie mistake on a clear leading to a quick goal for Florida. Can't make mistakes like that against a #2 ranked team. But that one goal she caused could have changed the game. Bet the poor kid won't do that again.

Overall it was a fantastic game to watch and I'm glad we went. I was a little disappointed with Floridas repeated fouls. It really slowed down the game and seemed a bit over the top.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is going on at Hofstra hearing rumblings

Read back a few pages. SS father bad mouthed a big donor to parents at TG, got back to donor. Throw in losing most of your games and the girls don't want to tolerate SS tantrums during practice any longer, notice that they are getting worse. The first few games they played well, but as disord goes on the team has played worse. Girls want to walk away. There is more than just grumblings, the previous AD could care less about Wins/losses, he just cared about budget and keeping costs down (why she was hired in the first place). When SS was interviewed originally at Hofstra she was interviewing for a Grad Asst. position. This was during a time of downsizing (shortly after cutting football) and the admin at the time didn't care about most team's success just keeping costs down.
Fast forward, new AD is coming in, and he doesn't like SS. He was associate AD who had to deal with the donor fallout and other nonsense of SS. Not sure if she is done, but it will become very uncomfortable for her.
Sounds like SB fans have a lot of excuses. You say you lose a single player to injury, thats fine but if you want to be considered top 10 one player should not make a difference. SB has played only 1 game opposed to FLA 6 (at game time) and 2 within the week one in FLA and one in 'cuse. That would have made 3 games in 7 days against a fresh team.

You can't ever blame a goalie for a loss with 11 woman to go through before her. She made plenty of saves to win that game, one mistake by her was not the reason for the loss.

Please remember this is just my opinion
To say SB is better coached because Halfpenny stands there with a clipboard while Spallina runs up and down the sidelines screaming is laughable, just 2 different coaching styles, remember FLA won. Like I stated last night JS chose to run off no less than 6 of the last 10 min. while down a goal, to me thats playing for a tie and not a win,thats playing scared and that, IMHO, makes it a coaches loss. with 10:00 left you could put in a goal instead of throwing it around the 12m. 5 times, go to draw, and believe in your "D" to stop them if you lose it.

SB played a much cleaner game than they did last year but lets not get crazy with the FLA fouls SB were like the Mohawks last year the way they swung the sticks, glad to see they cleaned it up they don't need to do that cheap crap, there better than that.

Originally Posted by MKVELE
Sounds like SB fans have a lot of excuses. You say you lose a single player to injury, thats fine but if you want to be considered top 10 one player should not make a difference. SB has played only 1 game opposed to FLA 6 (at game time) and 2 within the week one in FLA and one in 'cuse. That would have made 3 games in 7 days against a fresh team.

You can't ever blame a goalie for a loss with 11 woman to go through before her. She made plenty of saves to win that game, one mistake by her was not the reason for the loss.

Please remember this is just my opinion
To say SB is better coached because Halfpenny stands there with a clipboard while Spallina runs up and down the sidelines screaming is laughable, just 2 different coaching styles, remember FLA won. Like I stated last night JS chose to run off no less than 6 of the last 10 min. while down a goal, to me thats playing for a tie and not a win,thats playing scared and that, IMHO, makes it a coaches loss. with 10:00 left you could put in a goal instead of throwing it around the 12m. 5 times, go to draw, and believe in your "D" to stop them if you lose it.

SB played a much cleaner game than they did last year but lets not get crazy with the FLA fouls SB were like the Mohawks last year the way they swung the sticks, glad to see they cleaned it up they don't need to do that cheap crap, there better than that.



Good post. SB is no Florida. You gave an accurate account. Hate when people start blaming the loss on this or that. Maybe the other team was just better?
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Sounds like SB fans have a lot of excuses. You say you lose a single player to injury, thats fine but if you want to be considered top 10 one player should not make a difference. SB has played only 1 game opposed to FLA 6 (at game time) and 2 within the week one in FLA and one in 'cuse. That would have made 3 games in 7 days against a fresh team.

You can't ever blame a goalie for a loss with 11 woman to go through before her. She made plenty of saves to win that game, one mistake by her was not the reason for the loss.

Agree you can't have excuses, i will preface this as a "Florida supporter" and speaking w some "SB supporters" they did not make excuses were very complimentary as two top 10 teams had a heavy weight battle I understand the SB mindset at the end, Florida was winning EVERY draw, so yes with three minutes left your on your last possession in all likelihood. So looking to tie the game YES that's the mindset and I can tell you this SB made adjustments at half outscored our women and played smart clean lacrosse. Shortening the game to me was the on,y way when draw play is so lopsided. Great crowd and Us Local Florida parents love the quick commute. Kudos to both teams What a game!

Originally Posted by MKVELE
Sounds like SB fans have a lot of excuses. You say you lose a single player to injury, thats fine but if you want to be considered top 10 one player should not make a difference. SB has played only 1 game opposed to FLA 6 (at game time) and 2 within the week one in FLA and one in 'cuse. That would have made 3 games in 7 days against a fresh team.

You can't ever blame a goalie for a loss with 11 woman to go through before her. She made plenty of saves to win that game, one mistake by her was not the reason for the loss.



Please remember this is just my opinion
To say SB is better coached because Halfpenny stands there with a clipboard while Spallina runs up and down the sidelines screaming is laughable, just 2 different coaching styles, remember FLA won. Like I stated last night JS chose to run off no less than 6 of the last 10 min. while down a goal, to me thats playing for a tie and not a win,thats playing scared and that, IMHO, makes it a coaches loss. with 10:00 left you could put in a goal instead of throwing it around the 12m. 5 times, go to draw, and believe in your "D" to stop them if you lose it.

SB played a much cleaner game than they did last year but lets not get crazy with the FLA fouls SB were like the Mohawks last year the way they swung the sticks, glad to see they cleaned it up they don't need to do that cheap crap, there better than that.

No but at half down 5-2 one team made adjustments at half and almost pulled it out while the other team did not. That's coaching and FYI I was wearing orange and blue yesterday

Originally Posted by MKVELE
Sounds like SB fans have a lot of excuses. You say you lose a single player to injury, thats fine but if you want to be considered top 10 one player should not make a difference. SB has played only 1 game opposed to FLA 6 (at game time) and 2 within the week one in FLA and one in 'cuse. That would have made 3 games in 7 days against a fresh team.

You can't ever blame a goalie for a loss with 11 woman to go through before her. She made plenty of saves to win that game, one mistake by her was not the reason for the loss.

Please remember this is just my opinion
To say SB is better coached because Halfpenny stands there with a clipboard while Spallina runs up and down the sidelines screaming is laughable, just 2 different coaching styles, remember FLA won. Like I stated last night JS chose to run off no less than 6 of the last 10 min. while down a goal, to me thats playing for a tie and not a win,thats playing scared and that, IMHO, makes it a coaches loss. with 10:00 left you could put in a goal instead of throwing it around the 12m. 5 times, go to draw, and believe in your "D" to stop them if you lose it.

SB played a much cleaner game than they did last year but lets not get crazy with the FLA fouls SB were like the Mohawks last year the way they swung the sticks, glad to see they cleaned it up they don't need to do that cheap crap, there better than that.





Your opinion is just wrong IMHO. You have a team that is being killed at the draw yet you want to push the action? You have a team that is missing several key players but has managed to keep the game within reach of course they want to shorten the game. Play for the tie and take your chances in sudden death sounds like the smart move. Push the pace and try to outscore a team that won 90 percent of the draws in a run and gun makes no sense.
I watched the game on television yesterday with my HS daughter. It was a lot of fun to watch. It didn't matter to either of us who won - she knows girls on both teams. But, you have to be honest - SB was down 2 starting middies both last minute illness and injury. There aren't a lot of teams around who can play at the same level missing two important starters. There's no way to know if the outcome would've been different if SB was at full strength, but it's only fair to present all the facts.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Sounds like SB fans have a lot of excuses. You say you lose a single player to injury, thats fine but if you want to be considered top 10 one player should not make a difference. SB has played only 1 game opposed to FLA 6 (at game time) and 2 within the week one in FLA and one in 'cuse. That would have made 3 games in 7 days against a fresh team.

You can't ever blame a goalie for a loss with 11 woman to go through before her. She made plenty of saves to win that game, one mistake by her was not the reason for the loss.

Agree you can't have excuses, i will preface this as a "Florida supporter" and speaking w some "SB supporters" they did not make excuses were very complimentary as two top 10 teams had a heavy weight battle I understand the SB mindset at the end, Florida was winning EVERY draw, so yes with three minutes left your on your last possession in all likelihood. So looking to tie the game YES that's the mindset and I can tell you this SB made adjustments at half outscored our women and played smart clean lacrosse. Shortening the game to me was the on,y way when draw play is so lopsided. Great crowd and Us Local Florida parents love the quick commute. Kudos to both teams What a game!

I did not speak to any supporters on either side I sat alone, and FYI I wore gray yesterday. Two very good teams but..... killing clock on your own team to play for o.t because you can't win a draw makes even less sense. With the new golden goal format, if you take the last shot and go to O.T. and lose the draw 80% of the time you have lost. Shoot with 10 min. left, and then 4 min left, and lose the draw you still have time to make a stand at least twice, I just don't get the logic. To me it's a bad coaching error that coast the game. As far as adjustments go holding the ball for 6 of the last 9 minuets of the game and taking only one shot in the last minuet is not and adjustment it's a mistake. Granted SB scored 4 goals to Fla 2 in the second half...... they needed 5 why stop shooting
Stony Brook lost because the didn't play as well as Florida. If I hear one more excuse I'll have to get my violin out!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is going on at Hofstra hearing rumblings

Read back a few pages. SS father bad mouthed a big donor to parents at TG, got back to donor. Throw in losing most of your games and the girls don't want to tolerate SS tantrums during practice any longer, notice that they are getting worse. The first few games they played well, but as disord goes on the team has played worse. Girls want to walk away. There is more than just grumblings, the previous AD could care less about Wins/losses, he just cared about budget and keeping costs down (why she was hired in the first place). When SS was interviewed originally at Hofstra she was interviewing for a Grad Asst. position. This was during a time of downsizing (shortly after cutting football) and the admin at the time didn't care about most team's success just keeping costs down.
Fast forward, new AD is coming in, and he doesn't like SS. He was associate AD who had to deal with the donor fallout and other nonsense of SS. Not sure if she is done, but it will become very uncomfortable for her.


There's always "rumblings" about a head coach when a team is not doing well. As far as tantrums go, all coaches throw tantrums. I'm sure she threw tantrums last year but since they won the CAA regular season championship there wasn't much concern about it. They lose key seniors and have to reload and now when she throws tantrums it's a big deal and "girls want to walk". If the team is not playing well, maybe she has a reason to throw a tantrum at practice. I'll never understand why girls teams and guys teams are treated differently when it comes to coaches personalities. Give SS time. She's young, relatively new to coaching and needs time. She signed a contract extension last year. Patience.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Sounds like SB fans have a lot of excuses. You say you lose a single player to injury, thats fine but if you want to be considered top 10 one player should not make a difference. SB has played only 1 game opposed to FLA 6 (at game time) and 2 within the week one in FLA and one in 'cuse. That would have made 3 games in 7 days against a fresh team.

You can't ever blame a goalie for a loss with 11 woman to go through before her. She made plenty of saves to win that game, one mistake by her was not the reason for the loss.

Please remember this is just my opinion
To say SB is better coached because Halfpenny stands there with a clipboard while Spallina runs up and down the sidelines screaming is laughable, just 2 different coaching styles, remember FLA won. Like I stated last night JS chose to run off no less than 6 of the last 10 min. while down a goal, to me thats playing for a tie and not a win,thats playing scared and that, IMHO, makes it a coaches loss. with 10:00 left you could put in a goal instead of throwing it around the 12m. 5 times, go to draw, and believe in your "D" to stop them if you lose it.

SB played a much cleaner game than they did last year but lets not get crazy with the FLA fouls SB were like the Mohawks last year the way they swung the sticks, glad to see they cleaned it up they don't need to do that cheap crap, there better than that.





Your opinion is just wrong IMHO. You have a team that is being killed at the draw yet you want to push the action? You have a team that is missing several key players but has managed to keep the game within reach of course they want to shorten the game. Play for the tie and take your chances in sudden death sounds like the smart move. Push the pace and try to outscore a team that won 90 percent of the draws in a run and gun makes no sense.


agree 100%
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is going on at Hofstra hearing rumblings

Read back a few pages. SS father bad mouthed a big donor to parents at TG, got back to donor. Throw in losing most of your games and the girls don't want to tolerate SS tantrums during practice any longer, notice that they are getting worse. The first few games they played well, but as disord goes on the team has played worse. Girls want to walk away. There is more than just grumblings, the previous AD could care less about Wins/losses, he just cared about budget and keeping costs down (why she was hired in the first place). When SS was interviewed originally at Hofstra she was interviewing for a Grad Asst. position. This was during a time of downsizing (shortly after cutting football) and the admin at the time didn't care about most team's success just keeping costs down.
Fast forward, new AD is coming in, and he doesn't like SS. He was associate AD who had to deal with the donor fallout and other nonsense of SS. Not sure if she is done, but it will become very uncomfortable for her.


There's always "rumblings" about a head coach when a team is not doing well. As far as tantrums go, all coaches throw tantrums. I'm sure she threw tantrums last year but since they won the CAA regular season championship there wasn't much concern about it. They lose key seniors and have to reload and now when she throws tantrums it's a big deal and "girls want to walk". If the team is not playing well, maybe she has a reason to throw a tantrum at practice. I'll never understand why girls teams and guys teams are treated differently when it comes to coaches personalities. Give SS time. She's young, relatively new to coaching and needs time. She signed a contract extension last year. Patience.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Sounds like SB fans have a lot of excuses. You say you lose a single player to injury, thats fine but if you want to be considered top 10 one player should not make a difference. SB has played only 1 game opposed to FLA 6 (at game time) and 2 within the week one in FLA and one in 'cuse. That would have made 3 games in 7 days against a fresh team.

You can't ever blame a goalie for a loss with 11 woman to go through before her. She made plenty of saves to win that game, one mistake by her was not the reason for the loss.

Please remember this is just my opinion
To say SB is better coached because Halfpenny stands there with a clipboard while Spallina runs up and down the sidelines screaming is laughable, just 2 different coaching styles, remember FLA won. Like I stated last night JS chose to run off no less than 6 of the last 10 min. while down a goal, to me thats playing for a tie and not a win,thats playing scared and that, IMHO, makes it a coaches loss. with 10:00 left you could put in a goal instead of throwing it around the 12m. 5 times, go to draw, and believe in your "D" to stop them if you lose it.

SB played a much cleaner game than they did last year but lets not get crazy with the FLA fouls SB were like the Mohawks last year the way they swung the sticks, glad to see they cleaned it up they don't need to do that cheap crap, there better than that.





Your opinion is just wrong IMHO. You have a team that is being killed at the draw yet you want to push the action? You have a team that is missing several key players but has managed to keep the game within reach of course they want to shorten the game. Play for the tie and take your chances in sudden death sounds like the smart move. Push the pace and try to outscore a team that won 90 percent of the draws in a run and gun makes no sense.


agree 100%
I'm sorry but you want it both ways but can't
. First it was missing one player with a sprained ankle, then another with a sickness, now several. From what I can tell SB was missing Yavoli, and it hurts, but with Ohlmiller, Murphy, Van Dyke, and Guido still in the game it sounds like an excuse. I know everyone thinks I'm stupid, and you're probably right, but you guys admit you lost 90% of the draws, I don't understand why any good coach would wait to take the last shot to tie a game, and then have to rely on winning the draw to win it in sudden death when you haven't won one all game. Yes I would have pushed the issue with 10 minutes left, scored a goal to tie and went to the draw. Even if you lose the draw again and your D doesn't hold you still have a chance if they score. In OT if your team doesn't hold you lose period. What did JS think was going to happen to start OT, Florida to hand them the ball and say ok your turn, hope for a violation. The chances of any team not scoring in the first possession of OT in very small
What are the Big matchups this week?
MKVELE you need a hobby you post then answer yourself praise then critisize. Seems you may be bored! Tell me more about what is happening at Hofstra. New polls are out today interesting
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MKVELE you need a hobby you post then answer yourself praise then critisize. Seems you may be bored! Tell me more about what is happening at Hofstra. New polls are out today interesting
I post then answer myself.... when have I done that, get a hobby..... ok I chose lacrosse specifically, woman lacrosse. Is it any worse than spending endless hours coming up with fantasy football or baseball teams, or following the Nets, Rangers, Islanders, or Knicks. SB played better than I expected, but the fans seem to come up with excuses as to why they lost when the answer seems simple. Your team played well, maybe one day you'll beat them, but not yet. I look forward to seeing them beat Hofstra.... and are I say NU. Your girls played very well, did everything the coach told them to, It was he who let them down.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MKVELE you need a hobby you post then answer yourself praise then critisize. Seems you may be bored! Tell me more about what is happening at Hofstra. New polls are out today interesting
Oh and if you want my thoughts on Hofstra...... Shannon seems hard to play for. My daughter has friends on that squad and from what I understand they are generally unhappy with the way Shannon treats them. Lost a bunch to graduation not the best at recruiting, runs her college team like her club, and he father seems to be an issue
If a certain LI SUNY coach has doubled their pay to $160k and another SUNY coach in the capital region is at $90k then one would think a private school in Hempstead is paying pretty good and better stay very close to the top 20 or there might be changes coming.
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MKVELE you need a hobby you post then answer yourself praise then critisize. Seems you may be bored! Tell me more about what is happening at Hofstra. New polls are out today interesting
Oh and if you want my thoughts on Hofstra...... Shannon seems hard to play for. My daughter has friends on that squad and from what I understand they are generally unhappy with the way Shannon treats them. Lost a bunch to graduation not the best at recruiting, runs her college team like her club, and he father seems to be an issue


I also have a friends daughter on the HU team, and her perspective is a little different. In the fall she said it was a hard adjustment...workouts, school, coaches, etc. But as her spring semester and regular season rolled around she has changed her view. She says they expected a rough first part to the season with all of the youth. And as the season has begun they recognize what they're up against but their spirit is still positive and she still likes SS. Remember, not every player will like their coach every day and they will not hate her every day. I think in this day and time, there is too much short-sightedness and not enough long term views.
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MKVELE you need a hobby you post then answer yourself praise then critisize. Seems you may be bored! Tell me more about what is happening at Hofstra. New polls are out today interesting
Oh and if you want my thoughts on Hofstra...... Shannon seems hard to play for. My daughter has friends on that squad and from what I understand they are generally unhappy with the way Shannon treats them. Lost a bunch to graduation not the best at recruiting, runs her college team like her club, and he father seems to be an issue


LOTS of coaches are hard to play for. Dig into the reputation of the coach at U of Michigan, Winthrop, Louisville, etc. Lots and lots of use of the word "crazy" thrown about when describing them and others.
MKVELE wasnt talking about SB seems you like a good argument and are involved in every discussion and are VERRRRY defensive Sure your daughters proud

IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 7
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 4-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 7-0 378 3
3 Syracuse 6-1 355 2
4 North Carolina 4-2 343 4
5 Louisville 7-0 305 12
6 Notre Dame 5-1 265 5
7 Princeton 4-0 256 9
8 Virginia 4-2 255 7
9 Penn State 4-1 241 8
10 Stony Brook 1-1 231 10
11 Northwestern 1-3 221 6
12 Southern California 4-0 207 11
13 Stanford 4-1 159 13
14 Boston College 4-2 121 14
15 Duke 4-3 114 15
16 Penn 3-1 103 16
17 Ohio State 4-1 75 17
18 Towson 5-0 59 20
19 Johns Hopkins 3-3 44 18
20 Connecticut 4-0 38 19
IWLCA Poll for Division II, March 7
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 2-0 400 20 1
2 Le Moyne 2-0 377 2
3 Lindenwood 4-0 358 3
4 New Haven 1-0 325 4
5 LIU Post 1-1 318 5
6 Rollins 4-0 315 6
7 Limestone 4-0 256 8
8 Lock Haven 1-0 250 7
9 West Chester 2-0 219 10
10 Mercyhurst 2-1 218 12
11 Grand Valley State 1-2 215 11
12 Florida Southern 2-2 186 13
13 Stonehill 0-1 173 9
14 Queens 4-0 135 15
15 Seton Hill 1-2 118 16
16 Dowling 2-0 101 17
17 Mount Olive 6-1 85 14
18 Regis (CO) 4-0 59 19
19 Bentley 0-1 54 18
20 Saint Anselm 0-0 18 20
IWLCA Poll for Division III, March 7
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Cortland 1-0 400 20 1
2 Trinity (CT) 2-0 377 2
3 Franklin & Marshall 3-0 362 3
4 Middlebury 1-0 338 4
5 College of NJ 2-0 310 5
6 Gettysburg 3-0 298 6
7 Salisbury 4-0 289 7
8 [lacrosse] 3-1 257 8
9 Amherst 1-0 234 12
10 Tufts 0-0 211 11
11 Colby 1-0 194 15
12 Bowdoin 0-1 170 9
13 Hamilton 0-1 141 13
14 Messiah 1-2 136 14
15 St. John Fisher 2-0 114 17
16 Mary Washington 6-0 94 18
17 Catholic (DC) 0-2 80 10
18 Union 1-0 41 19
19 Washington College 2-0 27 NR
19 Brockport 3-0 27 NR
IWLCA Poll for Division III, March 7
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Cortland 1-0 400 20 1
2 Trinity (CT) 2-0 377 2
3 Franklin & Marshall 3-0 362 3
4 Middlebury 1-0 338 4
5 College of NJ 2-0 310 5
6 Gettysburg 3-0 298 6
7 Salisbury 4-0 289 7
8 [lacrosse] 3-1 257 8
9 Amherst 1-0 234 12
10 Tufts 0-0 211 11
11 Colby 1-0 194 15
12 Bowdoin 0-1 170 9
13 Hamilton 0-1 141 13
14 Messiah 1-2 136 14
15 St. John Fisher 2-0 114 17
16 Mary Washington 6-0 94 18
17 Catholic (DC) 0-2 80 10
18 Union 1-0 41 19
19 Washington College 2-0 27 NR
19 Brockport 3-0 27 NR
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MKVELE wasnt talking about SB seems you like a good argument and are involved in every discussion and are VERRRRY defensive Sure your daughters proud
I don't know what you're talking about, what are you talking about then
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MKVELE you need a hobby you post then answer yourself praise then critisize. Seems you may be bored! Tell me more about what is happening at Hofstra. New polls are out today interesting
Oh and if you want my thoughts on Hofstra...... Shannon seems hard to play for. My daughter has friends on that squad and from what I understand they are generally unhappy with the way Shannon treats them. Lost a bunch to graduation not the best at recruiting, runs her college team like her club, and he father seems to be an issue


I also have a friends daughter on the HU team, and her perspective is a little different. In the fall she said it was a hard adjustment...workouts, school, coaches, etc. But as her spring semester and regular season rolled around she has changed her view. She says they expected a rough first part to the season with all of the youth. And as the season has begun they recognize what they're up against but their spirit is still positive and she still likes SS. Remember, not every player will like their coach every day and they will not hate her every day. I think in this day and time, there is too much short-sightedness and not enough long term views.
I really have not had any interaction with her, My daughter played for a different club, she never wanted to go to Hofstra. You know how lacrosse is, all the girls have only 7 degrees of separation or less. some likelier some don't . I wish her no ill will, Hofstra was never one of my favorite schools.
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MKVELE you need a hobby you post then answer yourself praise then critisize. Seems you may be bored! Tell me more about what is happening at Hofstra. New polls are out today interesting
Oh and if you want my thoughts on Hofstra...... Shannon seems hard to play for. My daughter has friends on that squad and from what I understand they are generally unhappy with the way Shannon treats them. Lost a bunch to graduation not the best at recruiting, runs her college team like her club, and he father seems to be an issue


No harm taken...no worries. My skin is thick. Every player at every school will have a different experience. Same with lacrosse teams. Some players don't mind a tough coach, some players wilt when a coach yells at them. Just because a coach is considered hard to play for doesn't mean the same thing to all players. I've seen many coaches do a lot of yelling at practice but be very calm during games, and I've seen the opposite. My take is this...Give SS and Hofstra some time. This is only her 4th season, a relative newby by most accounts. I never bash a player for her choice of colleges. It's her experience, not mine. And, I will never bow to the peer pressure that is attempted by the YJ/CR/SB bunch.

I also have a friends daughter on the HU team, and her perspective is a little different. In the fall she said it was a hard adjustment...workouts, school, coaches, etc. But as her spring semester and regular season rolled around she has changed her view. She says they expected a rough first part to the season with all of the youth. And as the season has begun they recognize what they're up against but their spirit is still positive and she still likes SS. Remember, not every player will like their coach every day and they will not hate her every day. I think in this day and time, there is too much short-sightedness and not enough long term views.
I really have not had any interaction with her, My daughter played for a different club, she never wanted to go to Hofstra. You know how lacrosse is, all the girls have only 7 degrees of separation or less. some likelier some don't . I wish her no ill will, Hofstra was never one of my favorite schools.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MKVELE you need a hobby you post then answer yourself praise then critisize. Seems you may be bored! Tell me more about what is happening at Hofstra. New polls are out today interesting
Oh and if you want my thoughts on Hofstra...... Shannon seems hard to play for. My daughter has friends on that squad and from what I understand they are generally unhappy with the way Shannon treats them. Lost a bunch to graduation not the best at recruiting, runs her college team like her club, and he father seems to be an issue


No harm taken...no worries. My skin is thick. Every player at every school will have a different experience. Same with lacrosse teams. Some players don't mind a tough coach, some players wilt when a coach yells at them. Just because a coach is considered hard to play for doesn't mean the same thing to all players. I've seen many coaches do a lot of yelling at practice but be very calm during games, and I've seen the opposite. My take is this...Give SS and Hofstra some time. This is only her 4th season, a relative newby by most accounts. I never bash a player for her choice of colleges. It's her experience, not mine. And, I will never bow to the peer pressure that is attempted by the YJ/CR/SB bunch.

I also have a friends daughter on the HU team, and her perspective is a little different. In the fall she said it was a hard adjustment...workouts, school, coaches, etc. But as her spring semester and regular season rolled around she has changed her view. She says they expected a rough first part to the season with all of the youth. And as the season has begun they recognize what they're up against but their spirit is still positive and she still likes SS. Remember, not every player will like their coach every day and they will not hate her every day. I think in this day and time, there is too much short-sightedness and not enough long term views.
I really have not had any interaction with her, My daughter played for a different club, she never wanted to go to Hofstra. You know how lacrosse is, all the girls have only 7 degrees of separation or less. some likelier some don't . I wish her no ill will, Hofstra was never one of my favorite schools.


By the way...I don't live in NY or NJ and my daughter DOES NOT play for TG.
SS good coach, Hofstra no talent
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SS good coach, Hofstra no talent


I agree with the first statement and slightly disagree with the second. No talent is a pretty strong statement, given that the vast majority of the roster is sophomores and freshmen. They have talent, but D1 lacrosse is a big jump from high school. The school is good and the coaches are good, and to the contrary of some on here, they are good recruiters. It appears they are reaching further than NY and MD for talent, which is a good thing. In MD and NY there are only so many future "superstar" players to go around. The next few years rosters are more diversified.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
just watched SB v Fla Stony brook looked very good


Was there too, rooting for SB. Scary part is Florida played the sloppiest game ever and still won. If they played a clean game, would have been a blowout. SB needs to start recruiting draw specialists, got killed on the draw today. Sick behind the back shot!


SB was outcoached, but nice effort !


No skin in this argument, but Fla coach is far from a top coach, she has the horses and SB wasn't quit able to match up
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Sounds like SB fans have a lot of excuses. You say you lose a single player to injury, thats fine but if you want to be considered top 10 one player should not make a difference. SB has played only 1 game opposed to FLA 6 (at game time) and 2 within the week one in FLA and one in 'cuse. That would have made 3 games in 7 days against a fresh team.

You can't ever blame a goalie for a loss with 11 woman to go through before her. She made plenty of saves to win that game, one mistake by her was not the reason for the loss.

Please remember this is just my opinion
To say SB is better coached because Halfpenny stands there with a clipboard while Spallina runs up and down the sidelines screaming is laughable, just 2 different coaching styles, remember FLA won. Like I stated last night JS chose to run off no less than 6 of the last 10 min. while down a goal, to me thats playing for a tie and not a win,thats playing scared and that, IMHO, makes it a coaches loss. with 10:00 left you could put in a goal instead of throwing it around the 12m. 5 times, go to draw, and believe in your "D" to stop them if you lose it.

SB played a much cleaner game than they did last year but lets not get crazy with the FLA fouls SB were like the Mohawks last year the way they swung the sticks, glad to see they cleaned it up they don't need to do that cheap crap, there better than that.



Good post. SB is no Florida. You gave an accurate account. Hate when people start blaming the loss on this or that. Maybe the other team was just better?


If fla and ND had coaches that new what they were doing they both would have been final four teams the past couple of seasons and should certainly be there this year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SS good coach, Hofstra no talent


Exactly! Those are all her players, either can't recruit or identify talent...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Sounds like SB fans have a lot of excuses. You say you lose a single player to injury, thats fine but if you want to be considered top 10 one player should not make a difference. SB has played only 1 game opposed to FLA 6 (at game time) and 2 within the week one in FLA and one in 'cuse. That would have made 3 games in 7 days against a fresh team.

You can't ever blame a goalie for a loss with 11 woman to go through before her. She made plenty of saves to win that game, one mistake by her was not the reason for the loss.

Please remember this is just my opinion
To say SB is better coached because Halfpenny stands there with a clipboard while Spallina runs up and down the sidelines screaming is laughable, just 2 different coaching styles, remember FLA won. Like I stated last night JS chose to run off no less than 6 of the last 10 min. while down a goal, to me thats playing for a tie and not a win,thats playing scared and that, IMHO, makes it a coaches loss. with 10:00 left you could put in a goal instead of throwing it around the 12m. 5 times, go to draw, and believe in your "D" to stop them if you lose it.

SB played a much cleaner game than they did last year but lets not get crazy with the FLA fouls SB were like the Mohawks last year the way they swung the sticks, glad to see they cleaned it up they don't need to do that cheap crap, there better than that.



Good post. SB is no Florida. You gave an accurate account. Hate when people start blaming the loss on this or that. Maybe the other team was just better?


If fla and ND had coaches that new what they were doing they both would have been final four teams the past couple of seasons and should certainly be there this year


If the "great" SB coach new what he was doing he would of found a way to beat a sloppy Florida team!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Sounds like SB fans have a lot of excuses. You say you lose a single player to injury, thats fine but if you want to be considered top 10 one player should not make a difference. SB has played only 1 game opposed to FLA 6 (at game time) and 2 within the week one in FLA and one in 'cuse. That would have made 3 games in 7 days against a fresh team.

You can't ever blame a goalie for a loss with 11 woman to go through before her. She made plenty of saves to win that game, one mistake by her was not the reason for the loss.

Please remember this is just my opinion
To say SB is better coached because Halfpenny stands there with a clipboard while Spallina runs up and down the sidelines screaming is laughable, just 2 different coaching styles, remember FLA won. Like I stated last night JS chose to run off no less than 6 of the last 10 min. while down a goal, to me thats playing for a tie and not a win,thats playing scared and that, IMHO, makes it a coaches loss. with 10:00 left you could put in a goal instead of throwing it around the 12m. 5 times, go to draw, and believe in your "D" to stop them if you lose it.

SB played a much cleaner game than they did last year but lets not get crazy with the FLA fouls SB were like the Mohawks last year the way they swung the sticks, glad to see they cleaned it up they don't need to do that cheap crap, there better than that.



Good post. SB is no Florida. You gave an accurate account. Hate when people start blaming the loss on this or that. Maybe the other team was just better?


If fla and ND had coaches that new what they were doing they both would have been final four teams the past couple of seasons and should certainly be there this year


If the "great" SB coach new what he was doing he would of found a way to beat a sloppy Florida team!


If he was coaching FLA they would have won by double digits, for that matter if I were coaching FLA they would have won by double digits - you cant honestly compare the two rosters and say its a pick'em game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
just watched SB v Fla Stony brook looked very good


Was there too, rooting for SB. Scary part is Florida played the sloppiest game ever and still won. If they played a clean game, would have been a blowout. SB needs to start recruiting draw specialists, got killed on the draw today. Sick behind the back shot!


SB was outcoached, but nice effort !


No skin in this argument, but Fla coach is far from a top coach, she has the horses and SB wasn't quit able to match up


How many people were at LaValle stadium several years ago to witness Cuse come back to beat Gators in the Semi finals? That game was in the books and any coach could have preserved the win. She blew it. SBrook coach is doing far more with much less talent. Impressed with his ability to coach, just not a fan of the screaming. I was in the upper deck and heard him screaming at a girl who didn't have a shot backed up, this possession is on you, if they score its on you, screaming during live play. Wasn't sure if he was screaming at a girl who was supposed to be behind the cage for shot or the girl who rushed the shot before someone could back it up? Either way, wasn't a pretty sight.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
just watched SB v Fla Stony brook looked very good


Was there too, rooting for SB. Scary part is Florida played the sloppiest game ever and still won. If they played a clean game, would have been a blowout. SB needs to start recruiting draw specialists, got killed on the draw today. Sick behind the back shot!


SB was outcoached, but nice effort !


No skin in this argument, but Fla coach is far from a top coach, she has the horses and SB wasn't quit able to match up


How many people were at LaValle stadium several years ago to witness Cuse come back to beat Gators in the Semi finals? That game was in the books and any coach could have preserved the win. She blew it. SBrook coach is doing far more with much less talent. Impressed with his ability to coach, just not a fan of the screaming. I was in the upper deck and heard him screaming at a girl who didn't have a shot backed up, this possession is on you, if they score its on you, screaming during live play. Wasn't sure if he was screaming at a girl who was supposed to be behind the cage for shot or the girl who rushed the shot before someone could back it up? Either way, wasn't a pretty sight.


They still lost! The better coach pulled their team through! Fact! Stats don't lie
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SS good coach, Hofstra no talent


Exactly! Those are all her players, either can't recruit or identify talent...


Good players don't always become good coaches. Would send some message if a number of players leave. Pathetic showing at the TG tournament held at Hofstra last year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
just watched SB v Fla Stony brook looked very good


Was there too, rooting for SB. Scary part is Florida played the sloppiest game ever and still won. If they played a clean game, would have been a blowout. SB needs to start recruiting draw specialists, got killed on the draw today. Sick behind the back shot!


SB was outcoached, but nice effort !


No skin in this argument, but Fla coach is far from a top coach, she has the horses and SB wasn't quit able to match up


How many people were at LaValle stadium several years ago to witness Cuse come back to beat Gators in the Semi finals? That game was in the books and any coach could have preserved the win. She blew it. SBrook coach is doing far more with much less talent. Impressed with his ability to coach, just not a fan of the screaming. I was in the upper deck and heard him screaming at a girl who didn't have a shot backed up, this possession is on you, if they score its on you, screaming during live play. Wasn't sure if he was screaming at a girl who was supposed to be behind the cage for shot or the girl who rushed the shot before someone could back it up? Either way, wasn't a pretty sight.


They still lost! The better coach pulled their team through! Fact! Stats don't lie


The beater TEAM won, fla coach is below average to put it kindly. I was at the same playoff game at SB that she blew against Cuse, it was an embarrassing lose by any standard
One team was down 5-2 at half made adjustments the other held on for dear life That's coaching , Fact Stats don't lie. Think everyone knows Florida is far more talented with top recruits. So based on that how did SB manage to only lose by one ? Regardless does it really matter, LIKE stated above SB is doing far more with far less and as a LI eesident like having a quick ride to watch TOP 10 lacrosse
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
just watched SB v Fla Stony brook looked very good


Was there too, rooting for SB. Scary part is Florida played the sloppiest game ever and still won. If they played a clean game, would have been a blowout. SB needs to start recruiting draw specialists, got killed on the draw today. Sick behind the back shot!


SB was outcoached, but nice effort !


No skin in this argument, but Fla coach is far from a top coach, she has the horses and SB wasn't quit able to match up


How many people were at LaValle stadium several years ago to witness Cuse come back to beat Gators in the Semi finals? That game was in the books and any coach could have preserved the win. She blew it. SBrook coach is doing far more with much less talent. Impressed with his ability to coach, just not a fan of the screaming. I was in the upper deck and heard him screaming at a girl who didn't have a shot backed up, this possession is on you, if they score its on you, screaming during live play. Wasn't sure if he was screaming at a girl who was supposed to be behind the cage for shot or the girl who rushed the shot before someone could back it up? Either way, wasn't a pretty sight.



That was an epic collapse in semi finals. I for one love the fact that LI has a team that can compete on this level! Great job by Florida coaches and players as well as SB Coaches and players. My daughter loved the game
Hofstra is an absolute mess, daughter has had it there don't think it will get any better. Team is miserable
11 to 2 on the draws in favor of Florida.
Florida won the game by 1 goal.
How can you say SB was out coached.
COME ON MAN!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hofstra is an absolute mess, daughter has had it there don't think it will get any better. Team is miserable

Please stop, SS is still young and once again being a great player doesn't mean you will be a great coach that can evaluate and recruit. But many many kids are miserable in D1 programs. My family lived it. Above average kid on her club team, a middle to lower kid on her college team, limited game minutes and having the program own her for about 5 hours a day with tons of travel and missed classes. This is not exclusive to Hofstra and just like club where people always chase the hot programs LOSING SUCKS and right now Hofstra is losing.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hofstra is an absolute mess, daughter has had it there don't think it will get any better. Team is miserable

Please stop, SS is still young and once again being a great player doesn't mean you will be a great coach that can evaluate and recruit. But many many kids are miserable in D1 programs. My family lived it. Above average kid on her club team, a middle to lower kid on her college team, limited game minutes and having the program own her for about 5 hours a day with tons of travel and missed classes. This is not exclusive to Hofstra and just like club where people always chase the hot programs LOSING SUCKS and right now Hofstra is losing.


I agree college athletics is very demanding regardless of division, and probably unfair to Ss is the expectations. Last few years she coached someone else's recruits now her own are there and criticism can grow. Winning can solve some of that
I think this is getting crazy. To say O'Leary, and Halfpenny are not as good a coach as Spellina is crazy. if you want to talk facts lets talk facts,


Including Sundays game, Florida had played 7 games, three in the same week including SB, One in 'cuse... one back in Florida... and then one in SB all within 7 days, thats one more game in just that week than SB has played all year, 2 against ranked opponents while SB played Bryant in RI, a short bus trip.

JS in all his press has yet to take a D! team past the 2nd round while both other coaches have.

You want to talk Adelphi.... with all the raving JS gets about them if you go to Laxpower you can see there records backs far as 2005, in that span there has been 4 coaches including JS. the most loses from any coach is 3, twice (Grella). in that same span they have only lost championship 4 times 3 times to LIU post (2x grella, 1x Spallina). basically what I'm saying is you rant about his time at Adelphi, and Adelphi was just as good under 3 other coaches.

You complain that he is doing more with less talent.... I say B.S. the talent at SB is top caliber, they are ranked 10 in the nation not because of Joe Spallina but because of the girls on the field. How dare you say they are not as good, you should be ashamed for saying such nonsense.

In the end it was not the Idea of the girls to hold the ball for 6+ minuets of the last 10, it was Joe Spallinas' His coaching lost that game
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I think this is getting crazy. To say O'Leary, and Halfpenny are not as good a coach as Spellina is crazy. if you want to talk facts lets talk facts,


Including Sundays game, Florida had played 7 games, three in the same week including SB, One in 'cuse... one back in Florida... and then one in SB all within 7 days, thats one more game in just that week than SB has played all year, 2 against ranked opponents while SB played Bryant in RI, a short bus trip.

JS in all his press has yet to take a D! team past the 2nd round while both other coaches have.

You want to talk Adelphi.... with all the raving JS gets about them if you go to Laxpower you can see there records backs far as 2005, in that span there has been 4 coaches including JS. the most loses from any coach is 3, twice (Grella). in that same span they have only lost championship 4 times 3 times to LIU post (2x grella, 1x Spallina). basically what I'm saying is you rant about his time at Adelphi, and Adelphi was just as good under 3 other coaches.

You complain that he is doing more with less talent.... I say B.S. the talent at SB is top caliber, they are ranked 10 in the nation not because of Joe Spallina but because of the girls on the field. How dare you say they are not as good, you should be ashamed for saying such nonsense.

In the end it was not the Idea of the girls to hold the ball for 6+ minuets of the last 10, it was Joe Spallinas' His coaching lost that game


Spallina coaching Adelphi is like me coaching a YJ Blue team dump out the ball bag and get out of the way because the best players are there. Do you really think the YJ's have the best coaches? 18, 20 something girls in flip flops that are manipulated by parents? They attract the best talent (as does Adelphi) which makes any coach look good. Was Tony Dungy a great NFL coach or did he just have Peyton Manning? Players make the coach except for a few decisions in big games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I think this is getting crazy. To say O'Leary, and Halfpenny are not as good a coach as Spellina is crazy. if you want to talk facts lets talk facts,


Including Sundays game, Florida had played 7 games, three in the same week including SB, One in 'cuse... one back in Florida... and then one in SB all within 7 days, thats one more game in just that week than SB has played all year, 2 against ranked opponents while SB played Bryant in RI, a short bus trip.

JS in all his press has yet to take a D! team past the 2nd round while both other coaches have.

You want to talk Adelphi.... with all the raving JS gets about them if you go to Laxpower you can see there records backs far as 2005, in that span there has been 4 coaches including JS. the most loses from any coach is 3, twice (Grella). in that same span they have only lost championship 4 times 3 times to LIU post (2x grella, 1x Spallina). basically what I'm saying is you rant about his time at Adelphi, and Adelphi was just as good under 3 other coaches.

You complain that he is doing more with less talent.... I say B.S. the talent at SB is top caliber, they are ranked 10 in the nation not because of Joe Spallina but because of the girls on the field. How dare you say they are not as good, you should be ashamed for saying such nonsense.

In the end it was not the Idea of the girls to hold the ball for 6+ minuets of the last 10, it was Joe Spallinas' His coaching lost that game


Spallina coaching Adelphi is like me coaching a YJ Blue team dump out the ball bag and get out of the way because the best players are there. Do you really think the YJ's have the best coaches? 18, 20 something girls in flip flops that are manipulated by parents? They attract the best talent (as does Adelphi) which makes any coach look good. Was Tony Dungy a great NFL coach or did he just have Peyton Manning? Players make the coach except for a few decisions in big games.



Agree, but a bad coach can screw up a team of very good players.

JS is obviously a good coach and SBU has some very good players. They will win their share of games this year.

MKVELE what "top recruits are in SB ? Compared to Florida, I will preface this as saying my daughter doesn't play on SB or Florida but a top D1 school to underscore his impact at SB Makes you laughable. And clearly jealous. Now don't get all sensitive and apologize to the boards.. SB last year beat Florida, Norte Dame USC AND Northwestern. Please tell us when a LI college team has done that? Grind your ax somewhere else Your clogging this board with your nonsense then to respond to your own post "annomously makes you really pathetic "we see you MKVELE" also notice how you keep mentioning halfpenny hmmm. SB beat them too before ND dropped them Oh we get it now
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I think this is getting crazy. To say O'Leary, and Halfpenny are not as good a coach as Spellina is crazy. if you want to talk facts lets talk facts,


Including Sundays game, Florida had played 7 games, three in the same week including SB, One in 'cuse... one back in Florida... and then one in SB all within 7 days, thats one more game in just that week than SB has played all year, 2 against ranked opponents while SB played Bryant in RI, a short bus trip.

JS in all his press has yet to take a D! team past the 2nd round while both other coaches have.

You want to talk Adelphi.... with all the raving JS gets about them if you go to Laxpower you can see there records backs far as 2005, in that span there has been 4 coaches including JS. the most loses from any coach is 3, twice (Grella). in that same span they have only lost championship 4 times 3 times to LIU post (2x grella, 1x Spallina). basically what I'm saying is you rant about his time at Adelphi, and Adelphi was just as good under 3 other coaches.

You complain that he is doing more with less talent.... I say B.S. the talent at SB is top caliber, they are ranked 10 in the nation not because of Joe Spallina but because of the girls on the field. How dare you say they are not as good, you should be ashamed for saying such nonsense.

In the end it was not the Idea of the girls to hold the ball for 6+ minuets of the last 10, it was Joe Spallinas' His coaching lost that game


Your the only one getting crazy What a life you must have. Your daughter definitely went to school away from home
It's getting hot at Hofstra real hot
Probably a little tougher recruiting at SB than Note Dame or Florida. Know most of these kids and I will tell you not many SB recruits are as highly touted coming out yet SB is getting almost equal results which speaks volumes about the coach and players Like it or not
Some schools name alone is all the recruitment they need. SB is not one of them. Stony Brook is now the D1 version of Adelphi. Tons of talented LI kids that don't want to go off the island are now choosing SB but when you look at their roster not 1 kid from Maryland. Maryland area schools have tons of LI girls. That might be the difference is being in top 10 and winning a national championship
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Sounds like SB fans have a lot of excuses. You say you lose a single player to injury, thats fine but if you want to be considered top 10 one player should not make a difference. SB has played only 1 game opposed to FLA 6 (at game time) and 2 within the week one in FLA and one in 'cuse. That would have made 3 games in 7 days against a fresh team.

You can't ever blame a goalie for a loss with 11 woman to go through before her. She made plenty of saves to win that game, one mistake by her was not the reason for the loss.

Please remember this is just my opinion
To say SB is better coached because Halfpenny stands there with a clipboard while Spallina runs up and down the sidelines screaming is laughable, just 2 different coaching styles, remember FLA won. Like I stated last night JS chose to run off no less than 6 of the last 10 min. while down a goal, to me thats playing for a tie and not a win,thats playing scared and that, IMHO, makes it a coaches loss. with 10:00 left you could put in a goal instead of throwing it around the 12m. 5 times, go to draw, and believe in your "D" to stop them if you lose it.

SB played a much cleaner game than they did last year but lets not get crazy with the FLA fouls SB were like the Mohawks last year the way they swung the sticks, glad to see they cleaned it up they don't need to do that cheap crap, there better than that.



Good post. SB is no Florida. You gave an accurate account. Hate when people start blaming the loss on this or that. Maybe the other team was just better?


If fla and ND had coaches that new what they were doing they both would have been final four teams the past couple of seasons and should certainly be there this year


If the "great" SB coach new what he was doing he would of found a way to beat a sloppy Florida team!

Rumor has it Florida LI girls got SB plays from an old high school coach.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some schools name alone is all the recruitment they need. SB is not one of them. Stony Brook is now the D1 version of Adelphi. Tons of talented LI kids that don't want to go off the island are now choosing SB but when you look at their roster not 1 kid from Maryland. Maryland area schools have tons of LI girls. That might be the difference is being in top 10 and winning a national championship


Great point it will be interesting that now the program is elevated and a contender if that changes. smart initially targeting the LI players sprinkle in some Maryland players and that could put them higher
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MKVELE what "top recruits are in SB ? Compared to Florida, I will preface this as saying my daughter doesn't play on SB or Florida but a top D1 school to underscore his impact at SB Makes you laughable. And clearly jealous. Now don't get all sensitive and apologize to the boards.. SB last year beat Florida, Norte Dame USC AND Northwestern. Please tell us when a LI college team has done that? Grind your ax somewhere else Your clogging this board with your nonsense then to respond to your own post "annomously makes you really pathetic "we see you MKVELE" also notice how you keep mentioning halfpenny hmmm. SB beat them too before ND dropped them Oh we get it now
WOW bitter much

First. I never have answered my own post anonymously..... any moderator on the board can trace my IP and verify that..... sounds like you are familiar with this tactic though

second. I never said SB had top recruits, I don't even know in what fantasy world you live in that i said that.

third. it makes no difference where my daughter plays

fourth. I have never hid my dislike for JS. He's just not a coach I like I don't think he's that good, just like the previous posters don't like Halfpenny or O'Leary but YOU didn't seem to have a problem with them just me, Very bitter on your part

finally. what SB did last year has zero relevance this year. you mentioned Fla, NU, USC, and ND as wins last year, so far this year HE and I do mean HE, not his girls have lost 25% of those games. Heres a prediction for you he loses 75% beating onl NU

heres a question for you why are you so angry over my opinion, and if your daughter doesn't go there why do you care...... unless like me you need to "find a hobby"

oh and feel free to mind your business mr. or mrs Anonymous you could be any of the people that have spewed your venom towards me already, but we'll never know because your to cowardly to even assign a board name to your post. you can skip my posts if you like no one makes you read them
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's getting hot at Hofstra real hot


Yep. Forecasted high temp of 70 tomorrow.
Mkvele not involved in your squabble but you are a piece of work Sounds like you personal dislike warps your honest opinion. Regardless move on its annoying
Here is my two cents that should we weighed. My older daughter played at SB Pre Spallina I was at the game Sunday and to see where the program has gone is astonishing boy do I wish my daughter was there now. Kudos to SB Strategy at the end can be questioned but isn't it always in every sport! That is what makes sports great. Keep it up pretty neat to see SB among the Top of the top
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's getting hot at Hofstra real hot


Yep. Forecasted high temp of 70 tomorrow.


When a team is losing it's always hot for the coach. I bet it's hot at JMU, Loyola and others. NU...not doing as well as in the past. And, using previous logic that was used in reference to SS and Hofstra, since NU, Loyola and JMU are not doing as well as they usually do it must be the girls the coach recruited. Since Amonte-Hiller, Adams and Klaes-Bawcombe have been at their schools for longer than 4 years these teams are losing with the players that this coach recruited, right?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's getting hot at Hofstra real hot


Yep. Forecasted high temp of 70 tomorrow.


When a team is losing it's always hot for the coach. I bet it's hot at JMU, Loyola and others. NU...not doing as well as in the past. And, using previous logic that was used in reference to SS and Hofstra, since NU, Loyola and JMU are not doing as well as they usually do it must be the girls the coach recruited. Since Amonte-Hiller, Adams and Klaes-Bawcombe have been at their schools for longer than 4 years these teams are losing with the players that this coach recruited, right?


It comes with the territory when you get paid to have success
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I think this is getting crazy. To say O'Leary, and Halfpenny are not as good a coach as Spellina is crazy. if you want to talk facts lets talk facts,


Including Sundays game, Florida had played 7 games, three in the same week including SB, One in 'cuse... one back in Florida... and then one in SB all within 7 days, thats one more game in just that week than SB has played all year, 2 against ranked opponents while SB played Bryant in RI, a short bus trip.

JS in all his press has yet to take a D! team past the 2nd round while both other coaches have.

You want to talk Adelphi.... with all the raving JS gets about them if you go to Laxpower you can see there records backs far as 2005, in that span there has been 4 coaches including JS. the most loses from any coach is 3, twice (Grella). in that same span they have only lost championship 4 times 3 times to LIU post (2x grella, 1x Spallina). basically what I'm saying is you rant about his time at Adelphi, and Adelphi was just as good under 3 other coaches.

You complain that he is doing more with less talent.... I say B.S. the talent at SB is top caliber, they are ranked 10 in the nation not because of Joe Spallina but because of the girls on the field. How dare you say they are not as good, you should be ashamed for saying such nonsense.

In the end it was not the Idea of the girls to hold the ball for 6+ minuets of the last 10, it was Joe Spallinas' His coaching lost that game


Not sure about the comparison, but neither coach is good, with the recruits that they are able to entice EVERY year the have fallen short by a lot, halfpenny is clinging to her job, if she cant make some noise this year or next wit the group she currently has she will be gone. oleary's record of underachieveing speaks for itself
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's getting hot at Hofstra real hot


Yep. Forecasted high temp of 70 tomorrow.


When a team is losing it's always hot for the coach. I bet it's hot at JMU, Loyola and others. NU...not doing as well as in the past. And, using previous logic that was used in reference to SS and Hofstra, since NU, Loyola and JMU are not doing as well as they usually do it must be the girls the coach recruited. Since Amonte-Hiller, Adams and Klaes-Bawcombe have been at their schools for longer than 4 years these teams are losing with the players that this coach recruited, right?


It comes with the territory when you get paid to have success


Yep.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's getting hot at Hofstra real hot


Yep. Forecasted high temp of 70 tomorrow.


When a team is losing it's always hot for the coach. I bet it's hot at JMU, Loyola and others. NU...not doing as well as in the past. And, using previous logic that was used in reference to SS and Hofstra, since NU, Loyola and JMU are not doing as well as they usually do it must be the girls the coach recruited. Since Amonte-Hiller, Adams and Klaes-Bawcombe have been at their schools for longer than 4 years these teams are losing with the players that this coach recruited, right?


I think that they all have a track record of success that gives them a little extra breathing room - they are proven commodities.
You cant have it both way with SS - she was "great" when all she had to work with were the kids that were handed to her and she won the CAA, but now that the players are all hers she is young and needs time? She's lucky to have a red shirt grad student from UNC or her team would be getting beat up even more
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's getting hot at Hofstra real hot


Yep. Forecasted high temp of 70 tomorrow.


When a team is losing it's always hot for the coach. I bet it's hot at JMU, Loyola and others. NU...not doing as well as in the past. And, using previous logic that was used in reference to SS and Hofstra, since NU, Loyola and JMU are not doing as well as they usually do it must be the girls the coach recruited. Since Amonte-Hiller, Adams and Klaes-Bawcombe have been at their schools for longer than 4 years these teams are losing with the players that this coach recruited, right?


It comes with the territory when you get paid to have success


Yep.


I'll bet it's not hot at Loyola or NU. I'll bet the biggest pressure on those two coaches is coming from themselves. Jen Adams had a great run just last year. They lost 9? senior starters from last year. It takes time to reload. Please w Amonte-Hiller. She will leave NU when she decides to.
Halfpenny is the pits lost to louisville and should have won going away ???
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's getting hot at Hofstra real hot


Yep. Forecasted high temp of 70 tomorrow.


When a team is losing it's always hot for the coach. I bet it's hot at JMU, Loyola and others. NU...not doing as well as in the past. And, using previous logic that was used in reference to SS and Hofstra, since NU, Loyola and JMU are not doing as well as they usually do it must be the girls the coach recruited. Since Amonte-Hiller, Adams and Klaes-Bawcombe have been at their schools for longer than 4 years these teams are losing with the players that this coach recruited, right?


It comes with the territory when you get paid to have success


Not as hot as some would make you think.
you freakin' jokers sound like the dbags that call Fat Francesa all day...."Hey, BOTC, first time, long time..i wanna talk about Hofstra lax and how I think they should fire their coach"...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
you freakin' jokers sound like the dbags that call Fat Francesa all day...."Hey, BOTC, first time, long time..i wanna talk about Hofstra lax and how I think they should fire their coach"...

Hey BS, how are you? Glad to see you are still reading BOTC. HOw does it feel to be on two sinking ships.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SS good coach, Hofstra no talent


they're all her players at this point
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here you go: The Professors Rankings

1. Maryland
2. Florida
3. Louisville
4. North Carolina
5. Syracuse
6. Princeton
7. Stony Brook
8. Notre Dame
9. Stanford
10. Virginia
11. Penn State
12. Towson
13. Boston College
14. Northwestern
15. UConn
16. Southern Cal
17. Umass
18. Temple
19. Colorado
20. Loyola

Others schools considered

Vanderbilt
Penn
Duke
Delaware
Hopkins
Elon


Again very accurate. Did not have Duke in the Top 20 (Duke lost again to an unranked team). Had Loyola at 20 with loosing record but brutal schedule (Loyola beat Virginia)

Georgetown is probably better than their record and should be given consideration.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mkvele not involved in your squabble but you are a piece of work Sounds like you personal dislike warps your honest opinion. Regardless move on its annoying


You got it part way correct , he is a piece of something .
i have friends whose daughters are now in college and played for Shannon. These are fathers who are lax guys. They all loved having their daughters learn from SS. Current HS players in my town play for her right now and respect her. The problem at HU is similar to NYC basketball. All the great players have nice options going out of state and usually take those options. Also there seems to be a bias against her as SS always has to play tough non conference games (maryland this year, I think UNC last year) she is a fine coach doing a great job. haters are probably parents of kids who did not measure up or like to go around yelling "fear the bee" removing all doubt that you are a loser living vicariously through your children.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mkvele not involved in your squabble but you are a piece of work Sounds like you personal dislike warps your honest opinion. Regardless move on its annoying


You got it part way correct , he is a piece of something .
Coming from a coward throwing insults from the shadow of anonymity I'll take that as a complement.....you are no better than a thug sucker punching an old lady
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i have friends whose daughters are now in college and played for Shannon. These are fathers who are lax guys. They all loved having their daughters learn from SS. Current HS players in my town play for her right now and respect her. The problem at HU is similar to NYC basketball. All the great players have nice options going out of state and usually take those options. Also there seems to be a bias against her as SS always has to play tough non conference games (maryland this year, I think UNC last year) she is a fine coach doing a great job. haters are probably parents of kids who did not measure up or like to go around yelling "fear the bee" removing all doubt that you are a loser living vicariously through your children.


Agreed. Thank you.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i have friends whose daughters are now in college and played for Shannon. These are fathers who are lax guys. They all loved having their daughters learn from SS. Current HS players in my town play for her right now and respect her. The problem at HU is similar to NYC basketball. All the great players have nice options going out of state and usually take those options. Also there seems to be a bias against her as SS always has to play tough non conference games (maryland this year, I think UNC last year) she is a fine coach doing a great job. haters are probably parents of kids who did not measure up or like to go around yelling "fear the bee" removing all doubt that you are a loser living vicariously through your children.


Seriously, her club is dying and so is her college program. How do you measure a great job when you are coaching D1 program if not in wins. Your comment about the non-conference games and a bias is just ignorant.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i have friends whose daughters are now in college and played for Shannon. These are fathers who are lax guys. They all loved having their daughters learn from SS. Current HS players in my town play for her right now and respect her. The problem at HU is similar to NYC basketball. All the great players have nice options going out of state and usually take those options. Also there seems to be a bias against her as SS always has to play tough non conference games (maryland this year, I think UNC last year) she is a fine coach doing a great job. haters are probably parents of kids who did not measure up or like to go around yelling "fear the bee" removing all doubt that you are a loser living vicariously through your children.


And yet some current top players find her rude, condescending and spoiled brat. She should be able to grab TG players, but it appears that a number are considering leaving and others rescinding their verbals. Let's see what today brings, hopefully they finally win which will help with team moral.
As I have said before...almost ALL college coaches are not liked by everybody. Why is it such a big deal in women's college lacrosse if a coach is not universally liked? I like SS. She's not perfect but neither are you or I. Get over it and grow a set, and tell your daughter to do the same. SS will be successful. She's in only her 4th year as a coach. I know girls on her team like her. Maybe not every one of them, but most of them, and that's actually pretty good. I played college football and all of us did not like all of our coaches but you respected them and listened to them and tried your hardest to do what they told you to do. Her girls are doing the same. They have their usually tough OOC schedule. Wins are hard to get. The team is YOUNG.
If you asked 50% of the girls currently playing in D1 they would tell you that they are not happy playing in college and that it is more like a job that they have to do because their parents make them. They would also tell you they do not like their coach.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you asked 50% of the girls currently playing in D1 they would tell you that they are not happy playing in college and that it is more like a job that they have to do because their parents make them. They would also tell you they do not like their coach.


I would agree with that as well. Not liking a head coach is not a situation unique to just HU, although the YJ parents are trying to make us believe it.
Well I sure am glad that the Syracuse fans finally got a home game against the Terps. they spent the whole game whining last year about home cooking blah blah blah.

Well how was lunch today???

You have a good team but shut up and stop whining. Well here come the yellow cards, what a surprise.
StonyBrook loses again! The great coach is not producing!
So just when you think Northwestern was going to slip away, they go and beat SB. Close game, SB had lead at half.
Northwestern over Stony Brook. Duke crushes Louisville. Virginia takes UNC to OT. Can we now put to bed the NU is not a top 15, 20, 30 team? What it looks like is there are a couple of very top teams, and a whole lot of very good teams that on any given day can beat one another. And then there is Maryland.
There is Maryland and everyone else. That's the reality of it
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is Maryland and everyone else. That's the reality of it


Florida will give Maryland all they can handle, its those two teams and then everyone else
I have got to ask, does your kid go to NU?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
StonyBrook loses again! The great coach is not producing!


Cool. Where's all the YJ lemmings now? They seem quick to bash HU when they lose, but all I hear are YJ crickets when SB loses.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have got to ask, does your kid go to NU?


Just glad to see the better coached team win it!
Maryland with a excellent win, the team to beat. FLA next week, preview of Memorial Day

Anyone that knows the history of Gait knows the freelance style of play that made hie who he is.... that hurt today, sloppy passing and bad decisions, great players that need structure. In need of a goalie with set feet.

What happened to Louisville..... still 7-1 but a loss to duke looks bad.

UNC in trouble without Maggie, need to recruit better, early recruiting is a bad here. '17 a long way off

NU and SB---- wanted NU to win but neither a real threat. SB over achieved last year Nu still on a down slope someone had to win

Still believe in ND

and you doubted Umass
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Maryland with a excellent win, the team to beat. FLA next week, preview of Memorial Day

Anyone that knows the history of Gait knows the freelance style of play that made hie who he is.... that hurt today, sloppy passing and bad decisions, great players that need structure. In need of a goalie with set feet.

What happened to Louisville..... still 7-1 but a loss to duke looks bad.

UNC in trouble without Maggie, need to recruit better, early recruiting is a bad here. '17 a long way off

NU and SB---- wanted NU to win but neither a real threat. SB over achieved last year Nu still on a down slope someone had to win

Still believe in ND

and you doubted Umass

Agree with all of that.
Except for 1) Maryland and 2) Florida, there seems to be a rash of mediocrity this season. Towson looking good, JMU down, Hofstra down (but really young, look out next year), Louisville looking better finally, Loyola-who knows?, USC-who knows?, NU-again, who knows?, Elon (yes I said it) surprising a little, Michigan-still waiting, Army-won a couple against weak competition, but still in first year, Duke-mystery, UNC-consistently inconsistent, Penn State-winning but giving heart attacks. I know the Carter kid. Fantastic on and off the field.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Maryland with a excellent win, the team to beat. FLA next week, preview of Memorial Day

Anyone that knows the history of Gait knows the freelance style of play that made hie who he is.... that hurt today, sloppy passing and bad decisions, great players that need structure. In need of a goalie with set feet.

What happened to Louisville..... still 7-1 but a loss to duke looks bad.

UNC in trouble without Maggie, need to recruit better, early recruiting is a bad here. '17 a long way off

NU and SB---- wanted NU to win but neither a real threat. SB over achieved last year Nu still on a down slope someone had to win

Still believe in ND

and you doubted Umass

Agree with all of that.
Except for 1) Maryland and 2) Florida, there seems to be a rash of mediocrity this season. Towson looking good, JMU down, Hofstra down (but really young, look out next year), Louisville looking better finally, Loyola-who knows?, USC-who knows?, NU-again, who knows?, Elon (yes I said it) surprising a little, Michigan-still waiting, Army-won a couple against weak competition, but still in first year, Duke-mystery, UNC-consistently inconsistent, Penn State-winning but giving heart attacks. I know the Carter kid. Fantastic on and off the field.


Not mediocrity, it's parity
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Maryland with a excellent win, the team to beat. FLA next week, preview of Memorial Day

Anyone that knows the history of Gait knows the freelance style of play that made hie who he is.... that hurt today, sloppy passing and bad decisions, great players that need structure. In need of a goalie with set feet.

What happened to Louisville..... still 7-1 but a loss to duke looks bad.

UNC in trouble without Maggie, need to recruit better, early recruiting is a bad here. '17 a long way off

NU and SB---- wanted NU to win but neither a real threat. SB over achieved last year Nu still on a down slope someone had to win

Still believe in ND

and you doubted Umass

Agree with all of that.
Except for 1) Maryland and 2) Florida, there seems to be a rash of mediocrity this season. Towson looking good, JMU down, Hofstra down (but really young, look out next year), Louisville looking better finally, Loyola-who knows?, USC-who knows?, NU-again, who knows?, Elon (yes I said it) surprising a little, Michigan-still waiting, Army-won a couple against weak competition, but still in first year, Duke-mystery, UNC-consistently inconsistent, Penn State-winning but giving heart attacks. I know the Carter kid. Fantastic on and off the field.
You say mediocrity... I say parity. So many teams to choose from. When you get quality kids that get offers from smaller schools for twice the money than the traditional powerhouses offer this is what happens. There are very good kids on almost every roster. the Florida's' and Maryland's will always get the top kids, but now very good players have an opportunity to go someplace and play, not cheerlead from the sidelines for four years and watch the same 16 girls rotate in and out. SB was the shinning example of this last year but now there are more like Elon, and Army. Because of this girls now have a better chance to get the degrees they really want and still play
Are you really trying to say that army has a successful womens lax program already ? Glad they got a couple wins but are a long way from being considered competitive with any descent team and it will be a struggle for them to ever become so . Takes a unique kid to want to go thru that especially on the girls .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you really trying to say that army has a successful womens lax program already ? Glad they got a couple wins but are a long way from being considered competitive with any descent team and it will be a struggle for them to ever become so . Takes a unique kid to want to go thru that especially on the girls .
OK you're kidding right, is your reading comprehension so low that you didn't understand either post.No one said Army has a "successful" program so what are you talking about. One poster said they won a couple, I said that there an option to play at. where did you get a Successful program from that whats your agenda
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Maryland with a excellent win, the team to beat. FLA next week, preview of Memorial Day

Anyone that knows the history of Gait knows the freelance style of play that made hie who he is.... that hurt today, sloppy passing and bad decisions, great players that need structure. In need of a goalie with set feet.

What happened to Louisville..... still 7-1 but a loss to duke looks bad.

UNC in trouble without Maggie, need to recruit better, early recruiting is a bad here. '17 a long way off

NU and SB---- wanted NU to win but neither a real threat. SB over achieved last year Nu still on a down slope someone had to win

Still believe in ND

and you doubted Umass

Agree with all of that.
Except for 1) Maryland and 2) Florida, there seems to be a rash of mediocrity this season. Towson looking good, JMU down, Hofstra down (but really young, look out next year), Louisville looking better finally, Loyola-who knows?, USC-who knows?, NU-again, who knows?, Elon (yes I said it) surprising a little, Michigan-still waiting, Army-won a couple against weak competition, but still in first year, Duke-mystery, UNC-consistently inconsistent, Penn State-winning but giving heart attacks. I know the Carter kid. Fantastic on and off the field.
You say mediocrity... I say parity. So many teams to choose from. When you get quality kids that get offers from smaller schools for twice the money than the traditional powerhouses offer this is what happens. There are very good kids on almost every roster. the Florida's' and Maryland's will always get the top kids, but now very good players have an opportunity to go someplace and play, not cheerlead from the sidelines for four years and watch the same 16 girls rotate in and out. SB was the shinning example of this last year but now there are more like Elon, and Army. Because of this girls now have a better chance to get the degrees they really want and still play


Good post MKVELE I agree think the parity is really good for the sport. There are so many great players out there. Duke loses to Elon, Elon loses to Vandy, then Duke beats Louisville (who maybe was a little overrated ). As great as Florida is playing ranked 2 the have one goal wins over Unc, Cuse and Stony Brook, so they could go either way. If Maryland was removed from equation, Florida , Unc, ND, NU, SB, UVA, Princeton,Penn st, (maybe I'm missing a few. (Anyone could beat anyone which I think is great
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As I have said before...almost ALL college coaches are not liked by everybody. Why is it such a big deal in women's college lacrosse if a coach is not universally liked? I like SS. She's not perfect but neither are you or I. Get over it and grow a set, and tell your daughter to do the same. SS will be successful. She's in only her 4th year as a coach. I know girls on her team like her. Maybe not every one of them, but most of them, and that's actually pretty good. I played college football and all of us did not like all of our coaches but you respected them and listened to them and tried your hardest to do what they told you to do. Her girls are doing the same. They have their usually tough OOC schedule. Wins are hard to get. The team is YOUNG.


Just curious how long it takes to stop using the term young or new coach? 10 years? And if you hand pick a team and they are not performing that's on you coach! The discord and misery by the majority of the team just might be because of the pyramid "wall of shame" being used, I mean come on, is SS taking cues from Abby Lee Miller? They should win today after all of the conditioning and humiliation this past week. Good luck girls, play your game and try to ignore the lunatic screaming on the sidelines.
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you really trying to say that army has a successful womens lax program already ? Glad they got a couple wins but are a long way from being considered competitive with any descent team and it will be a struggle for them to ever become so . Takes a unique kid to want to go thru that especially on the girls .
OK you're kidding right, is your reading comprehension so low that you didn't understand either post.No one said Army has a "successful" program so what are you talking about. One poster said they won a couple, I said that there an option to play at. where did you get a Successful program from that whats your agenda


Because you have elected to respond in such a douchy manner I will now make it a point to respond to your posts pointing out what seems to be in general a very ignorant view .
"SB was the shinning example of this last year but now there are more like Elon, and Army"
Now my agenda will simply be to point out what a moron you are.Your anti YJ,anti SB, anti Spallina agenda is obvious.
Stop the squabbles Parity in women's lacrosse is awesome !! Regardless of if its army Towson whoever
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you really trying to say that army has a successful womens lax program already ? Glad they got a couple wins but are a long way from being considered competitive with any descent team and it will be a struggle for them to ever become so . Takes a unique kid to want to go thru that especially on the girls .
OK you're kidding right, is your reading comprehension so low that you didn't understand either post.No one said Army has a "successful" program so what are you talking about. One poster said they won a couple, I said that there an option to play at. where did you get a Successful program from that whats your agenda


Because you have elected to respond in such a douchy manner I will now make it a point to respond to your posts pointing out what seems to be in general a very ignorant view .
"SB was the shinning example of this last year but now there are more like Elon, and Army"
Now my agenda will simply be to point out what a moron you are.Your anti YJ,anti SB, anti Spallina agenda is obvious.
I don't know why you have a problem with me, but I now see your agenda.

The SB comment was meant this way (seeing as you couldn't figure it out yourself), SB not being a traditional powerhouse gave good players an alternative place to play and excel, which they have, as opposed to sitting on a bench fighting for a spot. Elon, Army, High Point, also examples of the same situation, and have surprised some people, but will not surprise anyone next year.

I have only ever said the woman at SB are playing well and never disparaged any of them, and I have never said anything about the YJ. I have stated my dislike for JS, but that is my opinion and stand by it. I don't like the guy and think he's over rated so what, how does that effect your life, why do you care are you the head of the Joe Spallina fan club, do you get paid by the amount of people that like him, I'm confused

You are very hostile, and maybe seek some help to calm down a bit, relax I'm a nobody that is beneath you right
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As I have said before...almost ALL college coaches are not liked by everybody. Why is it such a big deal in women's college lacrosse if a coach is not universally liked? I like SS. She's not perfect but neither are you or I. Get over it and grow a set, and tell your daughter to do the same. SS will be successful. She's in only her 4th year as a coach. I know girls on her team like her. Maybe not every one of them, but most of them, and that's actually pretty good. I played college football and all of us did not like all of our coaches but you respected them and listened to them and tried your hardest to do what they told you to do. Her girls are doing the same. They have their usually tough OOC schedule. Wins are hard to get. The team is YOUNG.


Just curious how long it takes to stop using the term young or new coach? 10 years? And if you hand pick a team and they are not performing that's on you coach! The discord and misery by the majority of the team just might be because of the pyramid "wall of shame" being used, I mean come on, is SS taking cues from Abby Lee Miller? They should win today after all of the conditioning and humiliation this past week. Good luck girls, play your game and try to ignore the lunatic screaming on the sidelines.



ALL coaches are crazy when their team is young, not playing well and not winning. But, stay the course and good things will happen. You know who's considered "crazy" coaches? The coach at Wintrop, Michigan and Louisville. Oh, and almost EVERY other coach I can think of. But those three take the cake as far as I'm concerned. They've been at their positions for years too. SS...pay no attention to the YJ agenda. Coach your team your way.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As I have said before...almost ALL college coaches are not liked by everybody. Why is it such a big deal in women's college lacrosse if a coach is not universally liked? I like SS. She's not perfect but neither are you or I. Get over it and grow a set, and tell your daughter to do the same. SS will be successful. She's in only her 4th year as a coach. I know girls on her team like her. Maybe not every one of them, but most of them, and that's actually pretty good. I played college football and all of us did not like all of our coaches but you respected them and listened to them and tried your hardest to do what they told you to do. Her girls are doing the same. They have their usually tough OOC schedule. Wins are hard to get. The team is YOUNG.


Just curious how long it takes to stop using the term young or new coach? 10 years? And if you hand pick a team and they are not performing that's on you coach! The discord and misery by the majority of the team just might be because of the pyramid "wall of shame" being used, I mean come on, is SS taking cues from Abby Lee Miller? They should win today after all of the conditioning and humiliation this past week. Good luck girls, play your game and try to ignore the lunatic screaming on the sidelines.



Dude? You watch Dance Mom's? I wouldn't tell any of your friends that if I were you. Did CR tell you it's okay to watch it, or did you go "rogue"?
OK so we are a few weeks in. Do you take the 6 teams that have won the last 20 national championships or is this the year to take the field?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As I have said before...almost ALL college coaches are not liked by everybody. Why is it such a big deal in women's college lacrosse if a coach is not universally liked? I like SS. She's not perfect but neither are you or I. Get over it and grow a set, and tell your daughter to do the same. SS will be successful. She's in only her 4th year as a coach. I know girls on her team like her. Maybe not every one of them, but most of them, and that's actually pretty good. I played college football and all of us did not like all of our coaches but you respected them and listened to them and tried your hardest to do what they told you to do. Her girls are doing the same. They have their usually tough OOC schedule. Wins are hard to get. The team is YOUNG.


Just curious how long it takes to stop using the term young or new coach? 10 years? And if you hand pick a team and they are not performing that's on you coach! The discord and misery by the majority of the team just might be because of the pyramid "wall of shame" being used, I mean come on, is SS taking cues from Abby Lee Miller? They should win today after all of the conditioning and humiliation this past week. Good luck girls, play your game and try to ignore the lunatic screaming on the sidelines.



You want an example of lunatic screaming on the sidelines? Try listening to just about any club coach during the summer. The difference between them and a college coach is that for the vast majority of the club coaches it is not their only job. For a college coach it's their job, with a lot riding on each game. Also, go to a men's game and listen to those coaches...it's crazy, yet nobody says anything about them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK so we are a few weeks in. Do you take the 6 teams that have won the last 20 national championships or is this the year to take the field?



Right now, today? Maryland.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As I have said before...almost ALL college coaches are not liked by everybody. Why is it such a big deal in women's college lacrosse if a coach is not universally liked? I like SS. She's not perfect but neither are you or I. Get over it and grow a set, and tell your daughter to do the same. SS will be successful. She's in only her 4th year as a coach. I know girls on her team like her. Maybe not every one of them, but most of them, and that's actually pretty good. I played college football and all of us did not like all of our coaches but you respected them and listened to them and tried your hardest to do what they told you to do. Her girls are doing the same. They have their usually tough OOC schedule. Wins are hard to get. The team is YOUNG.


Just curious how long it takes to stop using the term young or new coach? 10 years? And if you hand pick a team and they are not performing that's on you coach! The discord and misery by the majority of the team just might be because of the pyramid "wall of shame" being used, I mean come on, is SS taking cues from Abby Lee Miller? They should win today after all of the conditioning and humiliation this past week. Good luck girls, play your game and try to ignore the lunatic screaming on the sidelines.



ALL coaches are crazy when their team is young, not playing well and not winning. But, stay the course and good things will happen. You know who's considered "crazy" coaches? The coach at Wintrop, Michigan and Louisville. Oh, and almost EVERY other coach I can think of. But those three take the cake as far as I'm concerned. They've been at their positions for years too. SS...pay no attention to the YJ agenda. Coach your team your way.


Stop with the excuses already - she's in over her head until proven otherwise
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As I have said before...almost ALL college coaches are not liked by everybody. Why is it such a big deal in women's college lacrosse if a coach is not universally liked? I like SS. She's not perfect but neither are you or I. Get over it and grow a set, and tell your daughter to do the same. SS will be successful. She's in only her 4th year as a coach. I know girls on her team like her. Maybe not every one of them, but most of them, and that's actually pretty good. I played college football and all of us did not like all of our coaches but you respected them and listened to them and tried your hardest to do what they told you to do. Her girls are doing the same. They have their usually tough OOC schedule. Wins are hard to get. The team is YOUNG.


Just curious how long it takes to stop using the term young or new coach? 10 years? And if you hand pick a team and they are not performing that's on you coach! The discord and misery by the majority of the team just might be because of the pyramid "wall of shame" being used, I mean come on, is SS taking cues from Abby Lee Miller? They should win today after all of the conditioning and humiliation this past week. Good luck girls, play your game and try to ignore the lunatic screaming on the sidelines.



You want an example of lunatic screaming on the sidelines? Try listening to just about any club coach during the summer. The difference between them and a college coach is that for the vast majority of the club coaches it is not their only job. For a college coach it's their job, with a lot riding on each game. Also, go to a men's game and listen to those coaches...it's crazy, yet nobody says anything about them.

SS is a club coach, that's it. She doesn't understand the mental side of coaching. She hasn't had the experience and more importantly the time being truly mentored by a good coach as an asst. Just because you were a great player doesn't mean you will be a successful coach. She has a lot of knowledge but not the wisdom to put it to good use. Her teams will continue to struggle. She just doesn't relate to her players well, She had trouble relating to teammates and other kids in general in HS as well.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As I have said before...almost ALL college coaches are not liked by everybody. Why is it such a big deal in women's college lacrosse if a coach is not universally liked? I like SS. She's not perfect but neither are you or I. Get over it and grow a set, and tell your daughter to do the same. SS will be successful. She's in only her 4th year as a coach. I know girls on her team like her. Maybe not every one of them, but most of them, and that's actually pretty good. I played college football and all of us did not like all of our coaches but you respected them and listened to them and tried your hardest to do what they told you to do. Her girls are doing the same. They have their usually tough OOC schedule. Wins are hard to get. The team is YOUNG.


Just curious how long it takes to stop using the term young or new coach? 10 years? And if you hand pick a team and they are not performing that's on you coach! The discord and misery by the majority of the team just might be because of the pyramid "wall of shame" being used, I mean come on, is SS taking cues from Abby Lee Miller? They should win today after all of the conditioning and humiliation this past week. Good luck girls, play your game and try to ignore the lunatic screaming on the sidelines.



You want an example of lunatic screaming on the sidelines? Try listening to just about any club coach during the summer. The difference between them and a college coach is that for the vast majority of the club coaches it is not their only job. For a college coach it's their job, with a lot riding on each game. Also, go to a men's game and listen to those coaches...it's crazy, yet nobody says anything about them.

SS is a club coach, that's it. She doesn't understand the mental side of coaching. She hasn't had the experience and more importantly the time being truly mentored by a good coach as an asst. Just because you were a great player doesn't mean you will be a successful coach. She has a lot of knowledge but not the wisdom to put it to good use. Her teams will continue to struggle. She just doesn't relate to her players well, She had trouble relating to teammates and other kids in general in HS as well.


SS won Conference Coach of the Year in 2015
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As I have said before...almost ALL college coaches are not liked by everybody. Why is it such a big deal in women's college lacrosse if a coach is not universally liked? I like SS. She's not perfect but neither are you or I. Get over it and grow a set, and tell your daughter to do the same. SS will be successful. She's in only her 4th year as a coach. I know girls on her team like her. Maybe not every one of them, but most of them, and that's actually pretty good. I played college football and all of us did not like all of our coaches but you respected them and listened to them and tried your hardest to do what they told you to do. Her girls are doing the same. They have their usually tough OOC schedule. Wins are hard to get. The team is YOUNG.


Just curious how long it takes to stop using the term young or new coach? 10 years? And if you hand pick a team and they are not performing that's on you coach! The discord and misery by the majority of the team just might be because of the pyramid "wall of shame" being used, I mean come on, is SS taking cues from Abby Lee Miller? They should win today after all of the conditioning and humiliation this past week. Good luck girls, play your game and try to ignore the lunatic screaming on the sidelines.



You want an example of lunatic screaming on the sidelines? Try listening to just about any club coach during the summer. The difference between them and a college coach is that for the vast majority of the club coaches it is not their only job. For a college coach it's their job, with a lot riding on each game. Also, go to a men's game and listen to those coaches...it's crazy, yet nobody says anything about them.

SS is a club coach, that's it. She doesn't understand the mental side of coaching. She hasn't had the experience and more importantly the time being truly mentored by a good coach as an asst. Just because you were a great player doesn't mean you will be a successful coach. She has a lot of knowledge but not the wisdom to put it to good use. Her teams will continue to struggle. She just doesn't relate to her players well, She had trouble relating to teammates and other kids in general in HS as well.


SS won Conference Coach of the Year in 2015

The won with girls she inherited. They are gone and she can't handle nor has the experience with developing young players. Kind of like her club, they won early with girls she got from other clubs. Now her TG clubs is dropping into obscurity like her college team. Either way cannot develop girls. Overhyped as a coach.
It's not her fault she is young and much as a coach comes w experience !
becoming difficult to rank. Tried to take into account body of work, YTD strength of schedule, quality wins and losses to teams outside top 20. Head to head is less important than body of work at this point of the season. losing to higher ranked team should not have negative impact.

ranking 3/13

1. Maryland
2. Florida
3. North Carolina
4. Syracuse
5. Notre Dame
6. Louisville
7. Stanford
8. Princeton
9. Penn State
10. Northwestern
11. Towson
12. Stony Brook
13. Virginia
14. UMass
15. Southern Cal
16. Boston College
17. Loyola
18. Temple
19. Colorado
20. Duke

Other teams considered:

UConn
Vandi
Penn
Delaware
Hopkins
Ohio State
Cornell
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK so we are a few weeks in. Do you take the 6 teams that have won the last 20 national championships or is this the year to take the field?



Right now, today? Maryland.


I still take the last 6 winners. Come crunch time one of the 6 will win yet again. Every year we hear about parity but no one new can win the big one
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you really trying to say that army has a successful womens lax program already ? Glad they got a couple wins but are a long way from being considered competitive with any descent team and it will be a struggle for them to ever become so . Takes a unique kid to want to go thru that especially on the girls .
OK you're kidding right, is your reading comprehension so low that you didn't understand either post.No one said Army has a "successful" program so what are you talking about. One poster said they won a couple, I said that there an option to play at. where did you get a Successful program from that whats your agenda


Because you have elected to respond in such a douchy manner I will now make it a point to respond to your posts pointing out what seems to be in general a very ignorant view .
"SB was the shinning example of this last year but now there are more like Elon, and Army"
Now my agenda will simply be to point out what a moron you are.Your anti YJ,anti SB, anti Spallina agenda is obvious.
I don't know why you have a problem with me, but I now see your agenda.

The SB comment was meant this way (seeing as you couldn't figure it out yourself), SB not being a traditional powerhouse gave good players an alternative place to play and excel, which they have, as opposed to sitting on a bench fighting for a spot. Elon, Army, High Point, also examples of the same situation, and have surprised some people, but will not surprise anyone next year.

I have only ever said the woman at SB are playing well and never disparaged any of them, and I have never said anything about the YJ. I have stated my dislike for JS, but that is my opinion and stand by it. I don't like the guy and think he's over rated so what, how does that effect your life, why do you care are you the head of the Joe Spallina fan club, do you get paid by the amount of people that like him, I'm confused

You are very hostile, and maybe seek some help to calm down a bit, relax I'm a nobody that is beneath you right



Way to go Einstein, you now know what my agenda is after I told you what it is. Lets take a guess where your point of view is coming from. Your daughter is either going to or committed to a school that is not considered to be a top 20 lacrosse program ( good for her its nothing to be so angry about). The so called better lacrosse programs had little interest including SB and it just drives you crazy. Parity, sorry every year people come on here and say the same thing then the final four will have Syracuse , UNC, MD, NW, as 3 of the teams , throw FL in there now and you can say parity all you want and pretend that so many teams have a realistic shot at winning it all but its just not true.
Relax, playing at those schools is not for everyone , it wasn't for my kid for many reasons. The thing is I don't pretend its because my daughters program has now risen to be their equal and hate on a local program and its coach because of their success.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you really trying to say that army has a successful womens lax program already ? Glad they got a couple wins but are a long way from being considered competitive with any descent team and it will be a struggle for them to ever become so . Takes a unique kid to want to go thru that especially on the girls .
OK you're kidding right, is your reading comprehension so low that you didn't understand either post.No one said Army has a "successful" program so what are you talking about. One poster said they won a couple, I said that there an option to play at. where did you get a Successful program from that whats your agenda


Because you have elected to respond in such a douchy manner I will now make it a point to respond to your posts pointing out what seems to be in general a very ignorant view .
"SB was the shinning example of this last year but now there are more like Elon, and Army"
Now my agenda will simply be to point out what a moron you are.Your anti YJ,anti SB, anti Spallina agenda is obvious.
I don't know why you have a problem with me, but I now see your agenda.

The SB comment was meant this way (seeing as you couldn't figure it out yourself), SB not being a traditional powerhouse gave good players an alternative place to play and excel, which they have, as opposed to sitting on a bench fighting for a spot. Elon, Army, High Point, also examples of the same situation, and have surprised some people, but will not surprise anyone next year.

I have only ever said the woman at SB are playing well and never disparaged any of them, and I have never said anything about the YJ. I have stated my dislike for JS, but that is my opinion and stand by it. I don't like the guy and think he's over rated so what, how does that effect your life, why do you care are you the head of the Joe Spallina fan club, do you get paid by the amount of people that like him, I'm confused

You are very hostile, and maybe seek some help to calm down a bit, relax I'm a nobody that is beneath you right



Way to go Einstein, you now know what my agenda is after I told you what it is. Lets take a guess where your point of view is coming from. Your daughter is either going to or committed to a school that is not considered to be a top 20 lacrosse program ( good for her its nothing to be so angry about). The so called better lacrosse programs had little interest including SB and it just drives you crazy. Parity, sorry every year people come on here and say the same thing then the final four will have Syracuse , UNC, MD, NW, as 3 of the teams , throw FL in there now and you can say parity all you want and pretend that so many teams have a realistic shot at winning it all but its just not true.
Relax, playing at those schools is not for everyone , it wasn't for my kid for many reasons. The thing is I don't pretend its because my daughters program has now risen to be their equal and hate on a local program and its coach because of their success.

Parity? Not really you are right. In the last 25 years on 5 programs have won. Thank about that just 5 programs. Maryland 11, Northwestern 7, Virginia, 3 Princeton 3, UNC 1

So if your daughter went to the 3oth best team for more cash and the academic major of her choice that's GREAT, but history shows she probably wont be competeing for the national crown
"Glad they got a couple wins but are a long way from being considered competitive with any descent team and it will be a struggle for them to ever become so . Takes a unique kid to want to go thru that especially on the girls" .

were you aware that the Army womens bball team just finished the regular season 29-2?...and that they just captured the Patriot League Championship?...going to NCAA tournament?
so to say that a particular ARMY team will "struggle" to be successful is crap. yes, it takes a special kid to do it, but to say that the lax program will struggle is just non-sense
Originally Posted by Anonymous


So if your daughter went to the 3oth best team for more cash and the academic major of her choice that's GREAT, but history shows she probably wont be competeing for the national crown


Speaking of competing for a National Crown. Let's say Syracuse wins, does all 54 of those girls on the team get a championship ring?
What would be better, playing on a National Championship Syracuse team and being on the bottom part of the roster, or going to a mid-level but competitive in their conference Div. 1 school?

At the end it is all about your education and the experience right?

(These are all serious questions, and I love watching Syracuse play, so I am not bashing them or any of their players, who all contribute in one way or another).
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


So if your daughter went to the 3oth best team for more cash and the academic major of her choice that's GREAT, but history shows she probably wont be competeing for the national crown


Speaking of competing for a National Crown. Let's say Syracuse wins, does all 54 of those girls on the team get a championship ring?
What would be better, playing on a National Championship Syracuse team and being on the bottom part of the roster, or going to a mid-level but competitive in their conference Div. 1 school?

At the end it is all about your education and the experience right?

(These are all serious questions, and I love watching Syracuse play, so I am not bashing them or any of their players, who all contribute in one way or another).


It's not really an answerable question. It depends on the kid and what makes them tick and what they want out of the experience. I've had kids go through both situations, and in my opinion, each was right for them. I've had a child choose a D3 program over some D1 situations where the playing time and the college experience wasn't going to be what they wanted. I've had another one "stretch" to a program in a different sport and test themselves at that level and enjoy the pursuit. That kid has had mixed results athletically, is getting a great education and wouldn't trade playing with and against the best for a situation where they could walk in and start from day 1. Different strokes for different folks. Everyone always seems to have "THE" answer on this stuff. There isn't one right one.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you really trying to say that army has a successful womens lax program already ? Glad they got a couple wins but are a long way from being considered competitive with any descent team and it will be a struggle for them to ever become so . Takes a unique kid to want to go thru that especially on the girls .
OK you're kidding right, is your reading comprehension so low that you didn't understand either post.No one said Army has a "successful" program so what are you talking about. One poster said they won a couple, I said that there an option to play at. where did you get a Successful program from that whats your agenda


Because you have elected to respond in such a douchy manner I will now make it a point to respond to your posts pointing out what seems to be in general a very ignorant view .
"SB was the shinning example of this last year but now there are more like Elon, and Army"
Now my agenda will simply be to point out what a moron you are.Your anti YJ,anti SB, anti Spallina agenda is obvious.
I don't know why you have a problem with me, but I now see your agenda.

The SB comment was meant this way (seeing as you couldn't figure it out yourself), SB not being a traditional powerhouse gave good players an alternative place to play and excel, which they have, as opposed to sitting on a bench fighting for a spot. Elon, Army, High Point, also examples of the same situation, and have surprised some people, but will not surprise anyone next year.

I have only ever said the woman at SB are playing well and never disparaged any of them, and I have never said anything about the YJ. I have stated my dislike for JS, but that is my opinion and stand by it. I don't like the guy and think he's over rated so what, how does that effect your life, why do you care are you the head of the Joe Spallina fan club, do you get paid by the amount of people that like him, I'm confused

You are very hostile, and maybe seek some help to calm down a bit, relax I'm a nobody that is beneath you right



Way to go Einstein, you now know what my agenda is after I told you what it is. Lets take a guess where your point of view is coming from. Your daughter is either going to or committed to a school that is not considered to be a top 20 lacrosse program ( good for her its nothing to be so angry about). The so called better lacrosse programs had little interest including SB and it just drives you crazy. Parity, sorry every year people come on here and say the same thing then the final four will have Syracuse , UNC, MD, NW, as 3 of the teams , throw FL in there now and you can say parity all you want and pretend that so many teams have a realistic shot at winning it all but its just not true.
Relax, playing at those schools is not for everyone , it wasn't for my kid for many reasons. The thing is I don't pretend its because my daughters program has now risen to be their equal and hate on a local program and its coach because of their success.
OK so your daughter goes to Stony Brook, good for her, I hope she does well. I truly hope she's one of the girls that get playing time because everyone knows that JS has his favorites and thats who plays. But seriously good luck to her. It also explains your silly statement about the YJ's. Your right about only 5 teams winning national title. I have to believe that, just like SB did, other schools will start making there mark on the sport and pushing there way closer to Memorial Day. But remember SB isn't unique in this, Loyola was the same way to name another, they had there run but are now struggling. James Madison is another. As far as my daughter goes, I will never let anyone on this thread know where she goes, not because I'm embarrassed, or because I don't think she is good enough. Believe me I am extremely proud of my daughter and the choices, and sacrifices she has made, but rather because to us it is an extremely personal thing. The only clue you will get is that this will not be the first program she has helped to succeed from a lesser situation, just like yours. Please understand that hating me because I dislike JS is just silly. I have my reasons and if you knew what they were even you would understand. As far as the season for SB goes you have USC, Del, Stanford and the Hop left. You need to sweep to be considered for an at large IF you should lose to Albany in AE. Lose 2 of them and you're will probably rank under 20
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you really trying to say that army has a successful womens lax program already ? Glad they got a couple wins but are a long way from being considered competitive with any descent team and it will be a struggle for them to ever become so . Takes a unique kid to want to go thru that especially on the girls .
OK you're kidding right, is your reading comprehension so low that you didn't understand either post.No one said Army has a "successful" program so what are you talking about. One poster said they won a couple, I said that there an option to play at. where did you get a Successful program from that whats your agenda


Because you have elected to respond in such a douchy manner I will now make it a point to respond to your posts pointing out what seems to be in general a very ignorant view .
"SB was the shinning example of this last year but now there are more like Elon, and Army"
Now my agenda will simply be to point out what a moron you are.Your anti YJ,anti SB, anti Spallina agenda is obvious.
I don't know why you have a problem with me, but I now see your agenda.

The SB comment was meant this way (seeing as you couldn't figure it out yourself), SB not being a traditional powerhouse gave good players an alternative place to play and excel, which they have, as opposed to sitting on a bench fighting for a spot. Elon, Army, High Point, also examples of the same situation, and have surprised some people, but will not surprise anyone next year.

I have only ever said the woman at SB are playing well and never disparaged any of them, and I have never said anything about the YJ. I have stated my dislike for JS, but that is my opinion and stand by it. I don't like the guy and think he's over rated so what, how does that effect your life, why do you care are you the head of the Joe Spallina fan club, do you get paid by the amount of people that like him, I'm confused

You are very hostile, and maybe seek some help to calm down a bit, relax I'm a nobody that is beneath you right



Way to go Einstein, you now know what my agenda is after I told you what it is. Lets take a guess where your point of view is coming from. Your daughter is either going to or committed to a school that is not considered to be a top 20 lacrosse program ( good for her its nothing to be so angry about). The so called better lacrosse programs had little interest including SB and it just drives you crazy. Parity, sorry every year people come on here and say the same thing then the final four will have Syracuse , UNC, MD, NW, as 3 of the teams , throw FL in there now and you can say parity all you want and pretend that so many teams have a realistic shot at winning it all but its just not true.
Relax, playing at those schools is not for everyone , it wasn't for my kid for many reasons. The thing is I don't pretend its because my daughters program has now risen to be their equal and hate on a local program and its coach because of their success.
OK so your daughter goes to Stony Brook, good for her, I hope she does well. I truly hope she's one of the girls that get playing time because everyone knows that JS has his favorites and thats who plays. But seriously good luck to her. It also explains your silly statement about the YJ's. Your right about only 5 teams winning national title. I have to believe that, just like SB did, other schools will start making there mark on the sport and pushing there way closer to Memorial Day. But remember SB isn't unique in this, Loyola was the same way to name another, they had there run but are now struggling. James Madison is another. As far as my daughter goes, I will never let anyone on this thread know where she goes, not because I'm embarrassed, or because I don't think she is good enough. Believe me I am extremely proud of my daughter and the choices, and sacrifices she has made, but rather because to us it is an extremely personal thing. The only clue you will get is that this will not be the first program she has helped to succeed from a lesser situation, just like yours. Please understand that hating me because I dislike JS is just silly. I have my reasons and if you knew what they were even you would understand. As far as the season for SB goes you have USC, Del, Stanford and the Hop left. You need to sweep to be considered for an at large IF you should lose to Albany in AE. Lose 2 of them and you're will probably rank under 20


JS is getting what he deserves! He loves to run around bragging, only plays a small number of girls, and is not humble at all. We and US are losing games, bottom line!
Actually she doesn't play at SB which was clear in the above post but PLEASE stop with your reasoning for hating SB coach It makes the rest of your posts impossible to read. Btw teams like SB and Loyola and jmu are non BIG conference schools that venture out to play tough schedules good for them. SB losing to Florida and or northwestern by one goal and beating them the year before is a place I am sure NO one thought was possible pre JS. As for Loyola they had a fantastic year last year graduated some pieces got off to a tough start by have beaten UVA and Hokins recently. That's the difference the floridas Marylands etc reload with the top of the top prospects while the loyolas Stony Brooks etc build within. I will say you sit on your perch and take shots at people then back peddle off them yet won't disclose where your daughter plays or has transferred from. Get over it! You have some great posts but ruin them with your dislikes. Let's help make this a positive informative board. Shots at programs players or coaches makes it all a tough read
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually she doesn't play at SB which was clear in the above post but PLEASE stop with your reasoning for hating SB coach It makes the rest of your posts impossible to read. Btw teams like SB and Loyola and jmu are non BIG conference schools that venture out to play tough schedules good for them. SB losing to Florida and or northwestern by one goal and beating them the year before is a place I am sure NO one thought was possible pre JS. As for Loyola they had a fantastic year last year graduated some pieces got off to a tough start by have beaten UVA and Hokins recently. That's the difference the floridas Marylands etc reload with the top of the top prospects while the loyolas Stony Brooks etc build within. I will say you sit on your perch and take shots at people then back peddle off them yet won't disclose where your daughter plays or has transferred from. Get over it! You have some great posts but ruin them with your dislikes. Let's help make this a positive informative board. Shots at programs players or coaches makes it all a tough read
Seems to me the only person having a hard time with my posts is you. You are a typical venom spewing lacrosse parent that hates anyone that doesn't subscribe to your opinion. The only person I said I dislike or have said anything negative about,is JS and the only one that seems to take offense to it is you.
You JS haters make me laugh. What coach doesn't play his favorites which equal best players. College is not high school. Maybe you should get on with your lives.

The good news for the coach is that no one hates the mediocre ones. Just the great ones. Talk is good, whether it is bad or good.
Not many teams go beyond 15 kids in a game if you look so it isn't uncommon. I have to say it annoys me as well and I'm not a hater or supporter. You've told everyone you dislike him move on It's the fact you keep reverting back to it. We get it move on and everyone is happy
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Oh my god mom can't you let it go. OK you are right a team with 3 losses is defiantly a top 15 team...... no,no a top 5 team how could I dare say your sweet darling and her team are not on the same level ad Maryland, I mean what was I thinking it's not like there losing. Your little prodigy did so well at her public.......oh wait no she didn't thats why you sent her to the privet... but that was the coaches fault or so I heard you say at UA. I'm sorry I will never again turn down your help in trying to straighten me out with your idea of the facts. let me revise my list.


1. Northwestern
2. Northwestern
3. Northwestern
4. Northwestern
5. Northwestern
6. wait there is no one els list done


Nope ... that poster is not the only one that has a problem with you. You attacked a specific student-athlete on this thread. As a reminder here it is, post #153330. Then you complained to the Moderator that people were attacking YOUR daughter and Mod dutifully edited out those general statements about your daughter who nobody knows. Mod, I believe you ought to have kicked this guy off the site for the post above. Many on Long Island know exactly who he is talking about. An amazing young woman btw. What kind of person specifically attacks a young woman on this site, and then turns around and screams at the response?
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually she doesn't play at SB which was clear in the above post but PLEASE stop with your reasoning for hating SB coach It makes the rest of your posts impossible to read. Btw teams like SB and Loyola and jmu are non BIG conference schools that venture out to play tough schedules good for them. SB losing to Florida and or northwestern by one goal and beating them the year before is a place I am sure NO one thought was possible pre JS. As for Loyola they had a fantastic year last year graduated some pieces got off to a tough start by have beaten UVA and Hokins recently. That's the difference the floridas Marylands etc reload with the top of the top prospects while the loyolas Stony Brooks etc build within. I will say you sit on your perch and take shots at people then back peddle off them yet won't disclose where your daughter plays or has transferred from. Get over it! You have some great posts but ruin them with your dislikes. Let's help make this a positive informative board. Shots at programs players or coaches makes it all a tough read
Seems to me the only person having a hard time with my posts is you. You are a typical venom spewing lacrosse parent that hates anyone that doesn't subscribe to your opinion. The only person I said I dislike or have said anything negative about,is JS and the only one that seems to take offense to it is you.


Looks like you MKVELE is the "typical venom spewing lacrosse parent that hates anyone that doesn't subscribe to your opinion."
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Oh my god mom can't you let it go. OK you are right a team with 3 losses is defiantly a top 15 team...... no,no a top 5 team how could I dare say your sweet darling and her team are not on the same level ad Maryland, I mean what was I thinking it's not like there losing. Your little prodigy did so well at her public.......oh wait no she didn't thats why you sent her to the privet... but that was the coaches fault or so I heard you say at UA. I'm sorry I will never again turn down your help in trying to straighten me out with your idea of the facts. let me revise my list.


1. Northwestern
2. Northwestern
3. Northwestern
4. Northwestern
5. Northwestern
6. wait there is no one els list done


Nope ... that poster is not the only one that has a problem with you. You attacked a specific student-athlete on this thread. As a reminder here it is, post #153330. Then you complained to the Moderator that people were attacking YOUR daughter and Mod dutifully edited out those general statements about your daughter who nobody knows. Mod, I believe you ought to have kicked this guy off the site for the post above. Many on Long Island know exactly who he is talking about. An amazing young woman btw. What kind of person specifically attacks a young woman on this site, and then turns around and screams at the response?


Who is this guy? Is it that registered angry dude?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Oh my god mom can't you let it go. OK you are right a team with 3 losses is defiantly a top 15 team...... no,no a top 5 team how could I dare say your sweet darling and her team are not on the same level ad Maryland, I mean what was I thinking it's not like there losing. Your little prodigy did so well at her public.......oh wait no she didn't thats why you sent her to the privet... but that was the coaches fault or so I heard you say at UA. I'm sorry I will never again turn down your help in trying to straighten me out with your idea of the facts. let me revise my list.


1. Northwestern
2. Northwestern
3. Northwestern
4. Northwestern
5. Northwestern
6. wait there is no one els list done


Nope ... that poster is not the only one that has a problem with you. You attacked a specific student-athlete on this thread. As a reminder here it is, post #153330. Then you complained to the Moderator that people were attacking YOUR daughter and Mod dutifully edited out those general statements about your daughter who nobody knows. Mod, I believe you ought to have kicked this guy off the site for the post above. Many on Long Island know exactly who he is talking about. An amazing young woman btw. What kind of person specifically attacks a young woman on this site, and then turns around and screams at the response?
So what you make 2, believe me if the moderators thought I was wrong they would,t have edited the post. How would you react if someone attacked your daughter over YOUR opinion. I said nothing about the player prior to you\them attacking my daughter, should I just lay down and accept your attack because of the jersey your daughter wears. So moderators take down my response also since the thin skinned can't take there own medicine. Ban me because they said so if thats what you think should happen. What kind of person attacks a young woman on this site.... apparently you and your friends, you just don't expect people to fight back
Mkvele attacked another girl on a previous post
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mkvele attacked another girl on a previous post


I better not see anyone Attack any girl.
What about SB loosing 3 in a row? Coach??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mkvele attacked another girl on a previous post
who. since your so good at quoting posts, quote on where I attacked, or singled out any girl prior to post #153330
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Oh my god mom can't you let it go. OK you are right a team with 3 losses is defiantly a top 15 team...... no,no a top 5 team how could I dare say your sweet darling and her team are not on the same level ad Maryland, I mean what was I thinking it's not like there losing. Your little prodigy did so well at her public.......oh wait no she didn't thats why you sent her to the privet... but that was the coaches fault or so I heard you say at UA. I'm sorry I will never again turn down your help in trying to straighten me out with your idea of the facts. let me revise my list.


1. Northwestern
2. Northwestern
3. Northwestern
4. Northwestern
5. Northwestern
6. wait there is no one els list done


Nope ... that poster is not the only one that has a problem with you. You attacked a specific student-athlete on this thread. As a reminder here it is, post #153330. Then you complained to the Moderator that people were attacking YOUR daughter and Mod dutifully edited out those general statements about your daughter who nobody knows. Mod, I believe you ought to have kicked this guy off the site for the post above. Many on Long Island know exactly who he is talking about. An amazing young woman btw. What kind of person specifically attacks a young woman on this site, and then turns around and screams at the response?
So what you make 2, believe me if the moderators thought I was wrong they would,t have edited the post. How would you react if someone attacked your daughter over YOUR opinion. I said nothing about the player prior to you\them attacking my daughter, should I just lay down and accept your attack because of the jersey your daughter wears. So moderators take down my response also since the thin skinned can't take there own medicine. Ban me because they said so if thats what you think should happen. What kind of person attacks a young woman on this site.... apparently you and your friends, you just don't expect people to fight back


Why are so angry? I didn't read that anyone was knocking your daughter? You keep bashing top programs and come across high and mighty but you know it's really not hard to figure out who you are an where your daughter plays.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
So on a completely unrelated topic..... doe's anyone els think the officiating is atrocious, Why can't they just let every player move on stoppage like in the mens game there is no safety issue in this, the fast start is horrible. Is it just me or are the refs not consistent with there calls, this is why the game gets a bum rap....


UMass top 15? The have two tough games and have already lost one of them - there schedule is very easy
Oh my god mom can't you let it go. OK you are right a team with 3 losses is defiantly a top 15 team...... no,no a top 5 team how could I dare say your sweet darling and her team are not on the same level ad Maryland, I mean what was I thinking it's not like there losing. Your little prodigy did so well at her public.......oh wait no she didn't thats why you sent her to the privet... but that was the coaches fault or so I heard you say at UA. I'm sorry I will never again turn down your help in trying to straighten me out with your idea of the facts. let me revise my list.


1. Northwestern
2. Northwestern
3. Northwestern
4. Northwestern
5. Northwestern
6. wait there is no one els list done


Nope ... that poster is not the only one that has a problem with you. You attacked a specific student-athlete on this thread. As a reminder here it is, post #153330. Then you complained to the Moderator that people were attacking YOUR daughter and Mod dutifully edited out those general statements about your daughter who nobody knows. Mod, I believe you ought to have kicked this guy off the site for the post above. Many on Long Island know exactly who he is talking about. An amazing young woman btw. What kind of person specifically attacks a young woman on this site, and then turns around and screams at the response?
So what you make 2, believe me if the moderators thought I was wrong they would,t have edited the post. How would you react if someone attacked your daughter over YOUR opinion. I said nothing about the player prior to you\them attacking my daughter, should I just lay down and accept your attack because of the jersey your daughter wears. So moderators take down my response also since the thin skinned can't take there own medicine. Ban me because they said so if thats what you think should happen. What kind of person attacks a young woman on this site.... apparently you and your friends, you just don't expect people to fight back


Why are so angry? I didn't read that anyone was knocking your daughter? You keep bashing top programs and come across high and mighty but you know it's really not hard to figure out who you are an where your daughter plays.
go ahead name us both

Nope ... that poster is not the only one that has a problem with you. You attacked a specific student-athlete on this thread. As a reminder here it is, post #153330. Then you complained to the Moderator that people were attacking YOUR daughter and Mod dutifully edited out those general statements about your daughter who nobody knows. Mod, I believe you ought to have kicked this guy off the site for the post above. Many on Long Island know exactly who he is talking about. An amazing young woman btw. What kind of person specifically attacks a young woman on this site, and then turns around and screams at the response? [/quote]So what you make 2, believe me if the moderators thought I was wrong they would,t have edited the post. How would you react if someone attacked your daughter over YOUR opinion. I said nothing about the player prior to you\them attacking my daughter, should I just lay down and accept your attack because of the jersey your daughter wears. So moderators take down my response also since the thin skinned can't take there own medicine. Ban me because they said so if thats what you think should happen. What kind of person attacks a young woman on this site.... apparently you and your friends, you just don't expect people to fight back [/quote]

Why are so angry? I didn't read that anyone was knocking your daughter? You keep bashing top programs and come across high and mighty but you know it's really not hard to figure out who you are an where your daughter plays. [/quote]go ahead name us both [/quote]

You are TG, daughter position DELETEDgood enough?
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mkvele attacked another girl on a previous post
who. since your so good at quoting posts, quote on where I attacked, or singled out any girl prior to post #153330


So you know this is a different person who thinks you are an idiot the one who told you about his agenda.Your above post should read " show me where I have been a [lacrosse] prior to being a [lacrosse] ". The fact that you singled out or attacked any girl on here and you know it but refuse to apologize for it tells everyone what they need to know about you.
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mkvele attacked another girl on a previous post
who. since your so good at quoting posts, quote on where I attacked, or singled out any girl prior to post #153330


you didn't. and nobody said anything about your daughter prior to you attacking that girl and her mother. So if you don't want people going after you, don't incite it. It is absolutely ridiculous to do something like that, and then turn around and complain when it comes back to bite you. I am moving on ... you should too.
uh no
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nope ... that poster is not the only one that has a problem with you. You attacked a specific student-athlete on this thread. As a reminder here it is, post #153330. Then you complained to the Moderator that people were attacking YOUR daughter and Mod dutifully edited out those general statements about your daughter who nobody knows. Mod, I believe you ought to have kicked this guy off the site for the post above. Many on Long Island know exactly who he is talking about. An amazing young woman btw. What kind of person specifically attacks a young woman on this site, and then turns around and screams at the response?
So what you make 2, believe me if the moderators thought I was wrong they would,t have edited the post. How would you react if someone attacked your daughter over YOUR opinion. I said nothing about the player prior to you\them attacking my daughter, should I just lay down and accept your attack because of the jersey your daughter wears. So moderators take down my response also since the thin skinned can't take there own medicine. Ban me because they said so if thats what you think should happen. What kind of person attacks a young woman on this site.... apparently you and your friends, you just don't expect people to fight back [/quote]

Why are so angry? I didn't read that anyone was knocking your daughter? You keep bashing top programs and come across high and mighty but you know it's really not hard to figure out who you are an where your daughter plays. [/quote]go ahead name us both [/quote]

You are TG, daughter position DELETEDgood enough? [/quote]wrong, and for the rest of you the post attacking my daughter was deleted But seeing as the moderators wont speak up her I will paraphrase the poster called my daughter stupid, and untalented etc... all because I didn't list NU in a list. s moderators put the post back up let these people see it I never asked for you to take it down or edit it
Originally Posted by MKVELE
uh no
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nope ... that poster is not the only one that has a problem with you. You attacked a specific student-athlete on this thread. As a reminder here it is, post #153330. Then you complained to the Moderator that people were attacking YOUR daughter and Mod dutifully edited out those general statements about your daughter who nobody knows. Mod, I believe you ought to have kicked this guy off the site for the post above. Many on Long Island know exactly who he is talking about. An amazing young woman btw. What kind of person specifically attacks a young woman on this site, and then turns around and screams at the response?
So what you make 2, believe me if the moderators thought I was wrong they would,t have edited the post. How would you react if someone attacked your daughter over YOUR opinion. I said nothing about the player prior to you\them attacking my daughter, should I just lay down and accept your attack because of the jersey your daughter wears. So moderators take down my response also since the thin skinned can't take there own medicine. Ban me because they said so if thats what you think should happen. What kind of person attacks a young woman on this site.... apparently you and your friends, you just don't expect people to fight back


Why are so angry? I didn't read that anyone was knocking your daughter? You keep bashing top programs and come across high and mighty but you know it's really not hard to figure out who you are an where your daughter plays. [/quote]go ahead name us both [/quote]

You are TG, daughter position DELETEDgood enough? [/quote]wrong, and for the rest of you the post attacking my daughter was deleted But seeing as the moderators wont speak up her I will paraphrase the poster called my daughter stupid, and untalented etc... all because I didn't list NU in a list. s moderators put the post back up let these people see it I never asked for you to take it down or edit it [/quote]

I don't care what you did or didn't ask for. I deleted it because I wanted to. You need to stop with all of your anger and attacks. It's getting old already and you are annoying everyone including me. I honestly feel sorry for your daughter. Maybe you need a little rest.
USC looks like the real deal. Young Jedi has learned well. With a great pipeline of recruits (KM and others) they could be the team to break the 5 in 20 years as Champs. Would be quite the story. Great player turned coach takes a non-hotbed school from nothing to National Championship in 4 years. Sound familiar?
IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 14
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 5-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 8-0 377 2
3 Syracuse 6-2 352 3
4 North Carolina 5-2 349 4
5 Notre Dame 8-1 308 6
6 Louisville 7-1 274 5
7 Princeton 4-1 271 7
8 Penn State 6-1 251 9
9 Virginia 4-4 239 8
10 Northwestern 3-3 221 11
11 Stony Brook 2-2 198 10
12 Southern California 4-0 194 12
13 Duke 5-4 149 15
14 Stanford 4-1 138 13
15 Boston College 5-3 111 14
16 Penn 5-1 109 16
17 Towson 6-0 81 18
18 Ohio State 6-1 64 17
19 Johns Hopkins 5-3 41 19
20 Massachusetts 5-1
IWLCA Poll for Division II, March 14
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 3-0 400 20 1
2 Le Moyne 3-0 378 2
3 Lindenwood 7-0 352 3
4 LIU Post 3-1 339 5
5 Rollins 6-0 317 6
6 New Haven 2-1 309 4
7 Lock Haven 4-0 249 8
8 West Chester 4-0 237 9
9 Grand Valley State 2-3 233 11
10 Florida Southern 5-2 222 12
11 Mercyhurst 3-1 216 10
12 Limestone 5-1 210 7
13 Dowling 3-1 138 16
14 Queens 5-1 128 14
15 Stonehill 1-1 110 13
16 Regis (CO) 4-1 95 18
17 Seton Hill. 1-3 90 15
18 Bentley 1-2 82 19
19 Mount Olive 7-2 48 17
20 Saint Anselm 1-0
IWLCA Poll for Division III, March 14
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Cortland 4-0 400 20 1
2 Franklin & Marshall 4-0 368 3
3 Trinity (CT) 4-0 358 2
4 Middlebury 4-0 343 4
5 Gettysburg 5-0 314 6
6 College of NJ. 4-0 309 5
7 Salisbury 5-1 287 7
8 [lacrosse] 4-2 254 8
9 Tufts 2-1 218 10
10 Colby 1-1 187 11
11 Hamilton 2-1 176 13
12 Amherst 1-1 161 9
13 Messiah n n. 3-2 146 14
14 St. John Fisher 4-0 145 15
15 Mary Washington 8-0 125 16
16 Bates 5-0 110 NR
17 Bowdoin 1-2 62 12
18 Washington College 3-0 52 19
19 Brockport 4-0 51 19
20 Union 1-1
Originally Posted by Anonymous
USC looks like the real deal. Young Jedi has learned well. With a great pipeline of recruits (KM and others) they could be the team to break the 5 in 20 years as Champs. Would be quite the story. Great player turned coach takes a non-hotbed school from nothing to National Championship in 4 years. Sound familiar?


Lots of teams look good on paper. Getting a good recruit doesn't equal a championship. Cuse and Florida continually bring in top recruits and only have a sniff to show for it and they bring them in on teams that are close to begin with. Would love to see her do it, just highly skeptical.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
USC looks like the real deal. Young Jedi has learned well. With a great pipeline of recruits (KM and others) they could be the team to break the 5 in 20 years as Champs. Would be quite the story. Great player turned coach takes a non-hotbed school from nothing to National Championship in 4 years. Sound familiar?


Lots of teams look good on paper. Getting a good recruit doesn't equal a championship. Cuse and Florida continually bring in top recruits and only have a sniff to show for it and they bring them in on teams that are close to begin with. Would love to see her do it, just highly skeptical.


They r putting up a lot of goals. 14 against Stony Brook is impressive when Florida and NU could only muster 7. They r pretty darn good. Not saying they r there yet, but on the way to some pretty good things.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
USC looks like the real deal. Young Jedi has learned well. With a great pipeline of recruits (KM and others) they could be the team to break the 5 in 20 years as Champs. Would be quite the story. Great player turned coach takes a non-hotbed school from nothing to National Championship in 4 years. Sound familiar?


Lots of teams look good on paper. Getting a good recruit doesn't equal a championship. Cuse and Florida continually bring in top recruits and only have a sniff to show for it and they bring them in on teams that are close to begin with. Would love to see her do it, just highly skeptical.


They r putting up a lot of goals. 14 against Stony Brook is impressive when Florida and NU could only muster 7. They r pretty darn good. Not saying they r there yet, but on the way to some pretty good things.


they play up tempo with limited stall they are going to be in good shape with the shot clock
Originally Posted by Anonymous
USC looks like the real deal. Young Jedi has learned well. With a great pipeline of recruits (KM and others) they could be the team to break the 5 in 20 years as Champs. Would be quite the story. Great player turned coach takes a non-hotbed school from nothing to National Championship in 4 years. Sound familiar?


That's a nice dream, but it aint happening this year
USC has come a long way in a short amount of time but jumping up to the next level with the best ACC schools, Florida,and Maryland is a big feat. The PAC 12 conference will not give them the level of competition they need.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
USC looks like the real deal. Young Jedi has learned well. With a great pipeline of recruits (KM and others) they could be the team to break the 5 in 20 years as Champs. Would be quite the story. Great player turned coach takes a non-hotbed school from nothing to National Championship in 4 years. Sound familiar?


That's a nice dream, but it aint happening this year


Top 5 again this year, sorry everyone else is a wannabe
Originally Posted by Anonymous
USC has come a long way in a short amount of time but jumping up to the next level with the best ACC schools, Florida,and Maryland is a big feat. The PAC 12 conference will not give them the level of competition they need.
Don't sleep on Stanford.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
USC has come a long way in a short amount of time but jumping up to the next level with the best ACC schools, Florida,and Maryland is a big feat. The PAC 12 conference will not give them the level of competition they need.
Don't sleep on Stanford.


Please. Sleep away.
USC has done a nice job but I don't think they are in the top 10 and will struggle to get there. I will believe more in them when they win that big one on the road . I am also curious how much some of these teams are impacted by the travel and California experience when they go to the left coast to play . Hopefully their success will have an impact on lax in general in Cali but watching a few of the games it looked like they had about 10 fans in attendance . Their schedule is pretty weak so the true test will come at the end of the season .
USC has great weather and actually a pretty easy travel schedule with about 4 plane rides so even though their attendance is low I think they will still be attractive to players.

Watching the Denver men win it all really expanded the geographic footprint of the sport but on the girls side they have a terrible schedule with 8 or more plane trips.

The travel is a big deal especially when its added on to the 5 or 6 hours the teams are already together everyday. Every time you jump on a plane its 2 days of school. And this is why girls are guided to certain majors. It isn't for everyone
Originally Posted by Anonymous
USC has great weather and actually a pretty easy travel schedule with about 4 plane rides so even though their attendance is low I think they will still be attractive to players.

Watching the Denver men win it all really expanded the geographic footprint of the sport but on the girls side they have a terrible schedule with 8 or more plane trips.

The travel is a big deal especially when its added on to the 5 or 6 hours the teams are already together everyday. Every time you jump on a plane its 2 days of school. And this is why girls are guided to certain majors. It isn't for everyone


Fair points. I think USC and other west coast teams will continue to improve, albeit it will be choppy, not a straight line. W Arizona State entering the fray, I believe the Pac 12 will have 6 teams and form their own conference? I will bet UCLA adds at some point. This will meaningfully grow the game out west, reduce travel times and in a 5-10 year timeframe, I predict there will be a Western Champ. USC, however, in the meantime may be a final 8 type team this year or next. I think they are top 10 this year. They may not get the seeding they need based on SOS to get through to final 8 tho.
Would like to wish my alma mater Hofstra good luck on Saturday against Quinnipiac, shoould be an easy victory and the moral booster the coach and girls need!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Would like to wish my alma mater Hofstra good luck on Saturday against Quinnipiac, shoould be an easy victory and the moral booster the coach and girls need!


TBD!
I just saw a cool article this morning on why everyone watches march madness college basketball. It's because they have had 16 different winners in the last 25 years compared to just 5 in women's lacrosse. Women's college basketball is also referenced saying they are going backwards. They had 13 winners in 25 years but the last 10 have been bad for the sport with just a few winners. Other sports needs to spread the wealth around so popularity increases.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just saw a cool article this morning on why everyone watches march madness college basketball. It's because they have had 16 different winners in the last 25 years compared to just 5 in women's lacrosse. Women's college basketball is also referenced saying they are going backwards. They had 13 winners in 25 years but the last 10 have been bad for the sport with just a few winners. Other sports needs to spread the wealth around so popularity increases.

Lacrosse is a mere infant compared to BAsketball in terms of popularity and growing the game. Lax is where W basketball was 20-22 years ago when title IX kicked in. Big schools with big funding are adding teams, and in time the sport will enjoy that parity. Rule changes such as the shot clock will add excitement to the game and bring more fans.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just saw a cool article this morning on why everyone watches march madness college basketball. It's because they have had 16 different winners in the last 25 years compared to just 5 in women's lacrosse. Women's college basketball is also referenced saying they are going backwards. They had 13 winners in 25 years but the last 10 have been bad for the sport with just a few winners. Other sports needs to spread the wealth around so popularity increases.

Lacrosse is a mere infant compared to BAsketball in terms of popularity and growing the game. Lax is where W basketball was 20-22 years ago when title IX kicked in. Big schools with big funding are adding teams, and in time the sport will enjoy that parity. Rule changes such as the shot clock will add excitement to the game and bring more fans.


If they really want to grow the game they better go the way of soccer at the younger ages. Smaller fields, less players, which forces more touches (YES Forced)need to keep average players involved at the younger ages. Too many kids are leaving the sport at young ages because bad youth coaches condone 2 girls scoring all 20 goals in a 20-8 game. Lacrosse has a bad rap at the young levels with coaches giving up on kids way too early. Cant catch in 3rd grade? got to go. Not playing travel in Kindergarten going to MD on the weekends? Got to go
Very good point regarding smaller fields and less players, more touches. good for development.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just saw a cool article this morning on why everyone watches march madness college basketball. It's because they have had 16 different winners in the last 25 years compared to just 5 in women's lacrosse. Women's college basketball is also referenced saying they are going backwards. They had 13 winners in 25 years but the last 10 have been bad for the sport with just a few winners. Other sports needs to spread the wealth around so popularity increases.

Lacrosse is a mere infant compared to BAsketball in terms of popularity and growing the game. Lax is where W basketball was 20-22 years ago when title IX kicked in. Big schools with big funding are adding teams, and in time the sport will enjoy that parity. Rule changes such as the shot clock will add excitement to the game and bring more fans.



If they really want to grow the game they better go the way of soccer at the younger ages. Smaller fields, less players, which forces more touches (YES Forced)need to keep average players involved at the younger ages. Too many kids are leaving the sport at young ages because bad youth coaches condone 2 girls scoring all 20 goals in a 20-8 game. Lacrosse has a bad rap at the young levels with coaches giving up on kids way too early. Cant catch in 3rd grade? got to go. Not playing travel in Kindergarten going to MD on the weekends? Got to go


I would still argue that by 6th grade 75% of those soccer kids quit. A lot of kids try a lot of sports but at some point you need some god given athletic ability.
Funny u should say that ... U.S. Lax has just announced new development model w exactly those things as a focus.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just saw a cool article this morning on why everyone watches march madness college basketball. It's because they have had 16 different winners in the last 25 years compared to just 5 in women's lacrosse. Women's college basketball is also referenced saying they are going backwards. They had 13 winners in 25 years but the last 10 have been bad for the sport with just a few winners. Other sports needs to spread the wealth around so popularity increases.

Lacrosse is a mere infant compared to BAsketball in terms of popularity and growing the game. Lax is where W basketball was 20-22 years ago when title IX kicked in. Big schools with big funding are adding teams, and in time the sport will enjoy that parity. Rule changes such as the shot clock will add excitement to the game and bring more fans.



If they really want to grow the game they better go the way of soccer at the younger ages. Smaller fields, less players, which forces more touches (YES Forced)need to keep average players involved at the younger ages. Too many kids are leaving the sport at young ages because bad youth coaches condone 2 girls scoring all 20 goals in a 20-8 game. Lacrosse has a bad rap at the young levels with coaches giving up on kids way too early. Cant catch in 3rd grade? got to go. Not playing travel in Kindergarten going to MD on the weekends? Got to go


I would still argue that by 6th grade 75% of those soccer kids quit. A lot of kids try a lot of sports but at some point you need some god given athletic ability.


In most Northeast towns, soccer beats lacrosse head counts by 10-1 and that's a problem. We need better coaches who preach moving the ball around at the younger ages which will keep more kids in the sport longterm
How about something positive for a while... Lets hear about The college freshman from Long Island and how they are doing there first year. YJ or TG it doesn't matter..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about something positive for a while... Lets hear about The college freshman from Long Island and how they are doing there first year. YJ or TG it doesn't matter..


Great post-please include D1, 2&3 in your responses. Are they getting playing time, do they miss home, will they return next year etc
Lindsey Ronbeck (Liberty) and the Pirecca sisters (YJ) are killing it at FL!
Some other players rocking it this year:
Liberty: Nina Corcoran (UPenn), Amanda Johansen (USC), Halle Majorana (Syracuse), Haley O'Hanlon (Colgate), Julia Glynn (Harvard), Cate Soccodato (Marquette)
YJ: Courtney Fotunato (ND) Barbara Sullivan (ND) Sam Giacione (ND)

SOME OF THE BEST OF THE BEST FROM STRONG ISLAND!!!!
Good luck girls keep making us proud!
Don't forget Levy (Syr),Montalbano and Tellekamp (Towson),Apuzzo (BC), Ortega (ND) and others
riley hill marquette lindsay darrell northwestern
Both Hofstra and SB are lined up for what should be wins today. Get back on winning track.
Who's killing it on teams that have a chance of winning the national championship?
SS has been doing such a bang up job with Hofstra she has decided to add coaching the LI franchise in the new Women's Pro League, which by the way doesn't have any games on LI in their first season. Hofstra, Top Guns and LI Women......somebody is not getting full attention.
So true! All great players!!!!
Hunter Isnardi killing it at Mercy, with great supporting cast , they are 6-1 under that new coach Dawn Anselmin. She only recruits Long Island girls, and as an Adelphi stud she knows what she's doing. Tip my hat to this kid.

Go to the turnpike in Levittown and boom- you have a team that is led by a coach with record breaker awards etc, when she was a college player yet her team is struggling with her hand picked recruits. Hofstra got a much needed boast with a win they barely woke up for.

Adelphi keeps rolling along and takes no prisoners with McCabe at least be helm, tougher games coming up but I'm digging his confidence
.
Dowling playing ugly lacrosse, too many fouls take away from the game and defense needs to pass the ball. You have one job, you know better.

Molly could be the sleeper team, talent both ways buy young.

Stony Brook a power house that could humiliate Hofstra.SB roster deep with talent that is wasted on sides, let Emma play coach, dem dare girls are good.

Post is post-which way is wind blowing? No harm no foul, everyone will be happy if they come in at .500%

SUNY Farmingdale can't field a team! If you daughter/son is remotely considering a career in any subject there ( homeland security, dental hygienist, nursing) look at

this sleeper school, so many to choice from and walk on lax, soccer and hoops.
Stanford over Penn State 16-10. Where are all the Stanford haters now? Will be well within Top 10 with only loss in a close game to ND.
Amy B. can coach, she's a great lady, funny as a hoot and a smile that lights a room. No doubt combined with the school recruiting should come easy, especially as the game develops out west
Great game yesterday between Syracuse and Boston College. I saw the freshman from WB get hurt. Any news on how bad it was?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hunter Isnardi killing it at Mercy, with great supporting cast , they are 6-1 under that new coach Dawn Anselmin. She only recruits Long Island girls, and as an Adelphi stud she knows what she's doing. Tip my hat to this kid.

Go to the turnpike in Levittown and boom- you have a team that is led by a coach with record breaker awards etc, when she was a college player yet her team is struggling with her hand picked recruits. Hofstra got a much needed boast with a win they barely woke up for.

Adelphi keeps rolling along and takes no prisoners with McCabe at least be helm, tougher games coming up but I'm digging his confidence
.
Dowling playing ugly lacrosse, too many fouls take away from the game and defense needs to pass the ball. You have one job, you know better.

Molly could be the sleeper team, talent both ways buy young.

Stony Brook a power house that could humiliate Hofstra.SB roster deep with talent that is wasted on sides, let Emma play coach, dem dare girls are good.

Post is post-which way is wind blowing? No harm no foul, everyone will be happy if they come in at .500%

SUNY Farmingdale can't field a team! If you daughter/son is remotely considering a career in any subject there ( homeland security, dental hygienist, nursing) look at

this sleeper school, so many to choice from and walk on lax, soccer and hoops.


Farmingdale is far from a walk on in soccer and other sports. All those LI kids that stay home make for stacked teams year in and year out
3/20 Ranking

1. Maryland

2 - Florida

3. Notre Dame

4. North Carolina

5. Louisville

6. Stanford

7. Southern Cal

8. Boston College

9. Syracuse

10. Northwestern

11. Penn State

12. Princeton

13. Virginia

14. Stony Brook

15. Umass

16. Loyola

17. Penn

18. Delaware

19. Towson

20. Duke

Others considered:

Temple , Colorado, UConn, Hopkins, Ohio State, Cornell
Who's underachieving and who's over acheiving so far? Hopkins cant be happy at this juncture
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's underachieving and who's over acheiving so far? Hopkins cant be happy at this juncture


Overachieving: Louisville, Stanford, Southern Cal

Underachieving: Hofstra, Stony Brook, Duke
I think rather than saying these young women/teams are overachieving or underachieving I think it may be more a case of overestimated and underestimated. You are what you are.
Virginia 5 losses, Duke some really bad losses, I agree to some regard about Stony Brook but of their three losses they were to #2,#7 and #8 Tough close losses but losses none the less. I would also put Hopkins in there. Some teams that still rank very high have losses vs teams not in top 20. Hofstra obviously struggling losing to good and bad teams. It is one those years, anyone can win on any day minus Maryland.
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Virginia 5 losses, Duke some really bad losses, I agree to some regard about Stony Brook but of their three losses they were to #2,#7 and #8 Tough close losses but losses none the less. I would also put Hopkins in there. Some teams that still rank very high have losses vs teams not in top 20. Hofstra obviously struggling losing to good and bad teams. It is one those years, anyone can win on any day minus Maryland.


Duke is supposed to be there, Hofstra is not. Still doesn't mean Hofstra isn't disappointing. Duke is a mess
IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 21
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 6-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 9-1 373 2
3 North Carolina 7-2 361 4
4 Notre Dame 9-1 333 5
5 Syracuse 7-3 320 3
6 Louisville 9-1 279 6
7 Northwestern 3-4 245 10
8 USC 7-0 233 12
9 Stanford 5-1 215 14
10 Penn State 7-2 210 8
11 Princeton 4-2 209 7
12 Boston College 6-3 197 15
13 Virginia 4-5 179 9
14 Stony Brook 4-3 165 11
15 Duke 7-4 141 13
16 Penn 6-1 101 16
17 Towson 6-2 75 17
18 Ohio State 7-1 48 18
19 Johns Hopkins 7-3 43 19
20 Massachusetts 6-1 34 20
IWLCA Poll for Division II, March 21
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 4-0 400 20 1
2 Le Moyne 4-0 380 2
3 Lindenwood 9-0 357 3
4 LIU Post 5-1 337 4
5 Rollins 8-0 326 5
6 Lock Haven 6-0 270 7
7 Mercyhurst 5-1 264 11
8 Grand Valley State 2-3 257 9
9 West Chester 5-1 228 8
10 New Haven 3-2 216 6
11 Florida Southern 5-3 208 10
12 Limestone 6-2 184 12
13 Dowling 5-1 173 13
14 Queens 6-1 132 14
15 Stonehill 2-1 108 15
16 Regis (CO) 6-1 93 16
17 Bentley 2-3 87 18
18 Seton Hill 1-5 77 17
19 Mount Olive 7-3 45 19
20 Florida Tech 6-2 15 NR
IWLCA Poll for Division III, March 21
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Cortland 5-0 400 20 1
2 Franklin & Marshall 6-0 380 2
3 Middlebury 5-0 349 4
4 College of NJ 5-0 336 6
5 Salisbury 7-1 309 7
6 Gettysburg 5-1 304 5
7 Trinity (CT) 6-1 299 3
8 [lacrosse] 6-2 257 8
9 Colby 2-1 235 10
10 Hamilton 4-1 204 11
11 Amherst 3-1 171 12
12 Messiah 4-2 159 13
13 Bates 6-1 151 16
14 Tufts 2-3 146 9
15 St. John Fisher 5-0 143 14
16 Brockport 5-0 87 19
17 Mary Washington 9-1 55 15
18 Bowdoin 2-3 48 17
19 Christopher Newport 7-1 41 NR
20 St. Mary's (MD) 7-1 29 NR
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IWLCA Poll for Division III, March 21
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Cortland 5-0 400 20 1
2 Franklin & Marshall 6-0 380 2
3 Middlebury 5-0 349 4
4 College of NJ 5-0 336 6
5 Salisbury 7-1 309 7
6 Gettysburg 5-1 304 5
7 Trinity (CT) 6-1 299 3
8 [lacrosse] 6-2 257 8
9 Colby 2-1 235 10
10 Hamilton 4-1 204 11
11 Amherst 3-1 171 12
12 Messiah 4-2 159 13
13 Bates 6-1 151 16
14 Tufts 2-3 146 9
15 St. John Fisher 5-0 143 14
16 Brockport 5-0 87 19
17 Mary Washington 9-1 55 15
18 Bowdoin 2-3 48 17
19 Christopher Newport 7-1 41 NR
20 St. Mary's (MD) 7-1 29 NR


NU up to #7. Great frosh goalie is keeping them in games. they need to get better on O, but might be a tough out later in the season. Tough schedule though. May be 10-6, 9-7 in regular season.
Northwestern at 3 and 4? Should not be possible to be in the top 10 if you have a losing record!
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Northwestern at 3 and 4? Should not be possible to be in the top 10 if you have a losing record!


Really why? (Now 4-4 btw) I only see 1 team behind them in the poll I think deserves to be ranked ahead of them at this point (USC). So maybe an 8 ranking is more accurate, but still top 10. You see, NU plays the hardest schedule in the country. Their SOS so far this year is #1 in country. They have lost to SYR, Louisville, UNC and Virginia. The first 3 of those teams are ranked ahead of them at 3,5 &6. 12 of their 16 regular season games are against top 18 teams and 6 of those are against the other 9 top 10 teams. Are they a great team this year, no. They have many flaws. But they are a top 10 team. They will likely end the year w a 10-6 or even 9-7 record. Given their schedule, that would indicate they should be around 10th. All makes sense. Sorry you have some arbitrary poll rule about wins and losses but hopefully now you can refine your understanding with some facts. GO CATS!!
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Stanford over Penn State 16-10. Where are all the Stanford haters now? Will be well within Top 10 with only loss in a close game to ND.


Lets hear it Stan the Cardinal. A drubbing at the hands of 14th ranked Stony Brook. 17-7. Stanford plays no one, and the few good teams they play beat them handily. Sorry, they are pretenders at this point.
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Stanford over Penn State 16-10. Where are all the Stanford haters now? Will be well within Top 10 with only loss in a close game to ND.


Lets hear it Stan the Cardinal. A drubbing at the hands of 14th ranked Stony Brook. 17-7. Stanford plays no one, and the few good teams they play beat them handily. Sorry, they are pretenders at this point.


Nice win for SB, but they will choke when it counts! And can we even compare a SB degree with Sanford? That's what really matters!
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Stanford over Penn State 16-10. Where are all the Stanford haters now? Will be well within Top 10 with only loss in a close game to ND.


Lets hear it Stan the Cardinal. A drubbing at the hands of 14th ranked Stony Brook. 17-7. Stanford plays no one, and the few good teams they play beat them handily. Sorry, they are pretenders at this point.


Nice win for SB, but they will choke when it counts! And can we even compare a SB degree with Sanford? That's what really matters!


Guess you couldn't compare because you didn't go there heck you can't even spell it. Huge win for SB huge win for Cuse nice win for UNC
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Stanford over Penn State 16-10. Where are all the Stanford haters now? Will be well within Top 10 with only loss in a close game to ND.


Lets hear it Stan the Cardinal. A drubbing at the hands of 14th ranked Stony Brook. 17-7. Stanford plays no one, and the few good teams they play beat them handily. Sorry, they are pretenders at this point.


Nice win for SB, but they will choke when it counts! And can we even compare a SB degree with Sanford? That's what really matters!


Right. way to change your argument when the facts no longer support your original. Typical wanna be loser.
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Stanford over Penn State 16-10. Where are all the Stanford haters now? Will be well within Top 10 with only loss in a close game to ND.


Lets hear it Stan the Cardinal. A drubbing at the hands of 14th ranked Stony Brook. 17-7. Stanford plays no one, and the few good teams they play beat them handily. Sorry, they are pretenders at this point.


Nice win for SB, but they will choke when it counts! And can we even compare a SB degree with Sanford? That's what really matters!


How dare you talk about the education and god forbid the majors taken. Parents on this board only care if their kid plays academics be dam
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Stanford over Penn State 16-10. Where are all the Stanford haters now? Will be well within Top 10 with only loss in a close game to ND.


Lets hear it Stan the Cardinal. A drubbing at the hands of 14th ranked Stony Brook. 17-7. Stanford plays no one, and the few good teams they play beat them handily. Sorry, they are pretenders at this point.


Nice win for SB, but they will choke when it counts! And can we even compare a SB degree with Sanford? That's what really matters!


How dare you talk about the education and god forbid the majors taken. Parents on this board only care if their kid plays academics be dam


You come onto a lacrosse site to say the games don't matter its all about the education. You are a moron.
I agree. Education is important and Stanford is a GREAT school but the "My school is better academically than yours" talk after a loss at this level is the talk of losers and I'll take the person with a winning attitude over anyone that justifies losing, no matter where they went to school. But that might be just me. I think your statement does not do the student athletes at Stanford justice. I am sure the Stanford girls aren't on the plane flying home giggling to themselves about Stony Brook's supposedly lack of academics compared to Stanford. If they are they deserve to lose every game. This is Division 1 lacrosse not the Mathletes. Make no mistake Stanford's athletic program is in the business of winning, on and off the field. You don't seem to be apart of that attitude.
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Stanford over Penn State 16-10. Where are all the Stanford haters now? Will be well within Top 10 with only loss in a close game to ND.


Lets hear it Stan the Cardinal. A drubbing at the hands of 14th ranked Stony Brook. 17-7. Stanford plays no one, and the few good teams they play beat them handily. Sorry, they are pretenders at this point.


Nice win for SB, but they will choke when it counts! And can we even compare a SB degree with Sanford? That's what really matters!


How dare you talk about the education and god forbid the majors taken. Parents on this board only care if their kid plays academics be dam


AHHHH ... but he didn't mention majors. That's the dirty little secret. Stanford kids for the most part don't take the difficult majors, you know the ones that the school is known for. In fact, many of them take the gut major. But in typical Stanford style, the parents can't handle telling their friends that their daughter is taking rocks for jocks etc, so they name the major Science, Technology and the World. Funny. You will find your share of girls lax players and football players in this major. In addition, Stanford would probably not like people to know about "The List". Quite the scandal at the "Farm". This was a couple years ago when it was revealed that the athletic department provided athletes with a list of courses that were easier and where professors would give athletes better grades. Of course many times it's not professors, but TAs that are teaching the courses, because Stanford professors couldn't give a crap about undergrads. They are all about their research. I can certainly put the links on here for you to find all this information, but it is probably easier for to Google it. Ironic that Google was founded by Stanford grads. They however did not use "The List" and are the kind of people Stan the Cardinal want to use to say what a great degree his daughter will have. Sorry Stan, she won't. She will be viewed as an athlete that got in to the school because she plays a sport well. As a recruiter, I will totally discount the paper diploma unless she takes a real major, which likely she won't. And by real at Stanford, I mean computer science, pre med or engineering, not history. If she wants a history major, there are much better schools for her. As an employer, I will value a degree from a top D3 program over her Science, Technology and the World degree. So Stan, not only is your lax team sub par, but the degree you think is so valuable, ain't worth what you think it is.

Now we should probably get back to the subject of this website, Lacrosse. And Stanford has proven to be not so good at that.
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Stanford over Penn State 16-10. Where are all the Stanford haters now? Will be well within Top 10 with only loss in a close game to ND.


Lets hear it Stan the Cardinal. A drubbing at the hands of 14th ranked Stony Brook. 17-7. Stanford plays no one, and the few good teams they play beat them handily. Sorry, they are pretenders at this point.
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Stanford over Penn State 16-10. Where are all the Stanford haters now? Will be well within Top 10 with only loss in a close game to ND.
sounds like another bitter parent who's kid didn't get recruited by Stanford and now brings the hate. Stony Brook was definitely better yesterday no question. But Stanford is 6-2 and beat Penn State by 6, Ohio State by a lot, and John's Hopkins. And lost to ND by 4 in a very good game. So not in top echelon but a very good team. And oh by the way a phenomenal school with incredible athletics pretty much across the board. Now go kick your dog or some other hateful act you d-bag.

Lets hear it Stan the Cardinal. A drubbing at the hands of 14th ranked Stony Brook. 17-7. Stanford plays no one, and the few good teams they play beat them handily. Sorry, they are pretenders at this point.
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Stanford over Penn State 16-10. Where are all the Stanford haters now? Will be well within Top 10 with only loss in a close game to ND.


Lets hear it Stan the Cardinal. A drubbing at the hands of 14th ranked Stony Brook. 17-7. Stanford plays no one, and the few good teams they play beat them handily. Sorry, they are pretenders at this point.


Nice win for SB, but they will choke when it counts! And can we even compare a SB degree with Sanford? That's what really matters!


How dare you talk about the education and god forbid the majors taken. Parents on this board only care if their kid plays academics be dam


AHHHH ... but he didn't mention majors. That's the dirty little secret. Stanford kids for the most part don't take the difficult majors, you know the ones that the school is known for. In fact, many of them take the gut major. But in typical Stanford style, the parents can't handle telling their friends that their daughter is taking rocks for jocks etc, so they name the major Science, Technology and the World. Funny. You will find your share of girls lax players and football players in this major. In addition, Stanford would probably not like people to know about "The List". Quite the scandal at the "Farm". This was a couple years ago when it was revealed that the athletic department provided athletes with a list of courses that were easier and where professors would give athletes better grades. Of course many times it's not professors, but TAs that are teaching the courses, because Stanford professors couldn't give a crap about undergrads. They are all about their research. I can certainly put the links on here for you to find all this information, but it is probably easier for to Google it. Ironic that Google was founded by Stanford grads. They however did not use "The List" and are the kind of people Stan the Cardinal want to use to say what a great degree his daughter will have. Sorry Stan, she won't. She will be viewed as an athlete that got in to the school because she plays a sport well. As a recruiter, I will totally discount the paper diploma unless she takes a real major, which likely she won't. And by real at Stanford, I mean computer science, pre med or engineering, not history. If she wants a history major, there are much better schools for her. As an employer, I will value a degree from a top D3 program over her Science, Technology and the World degree. So Stan, not only is your lax team sub par, but the degree you think is so valuable, ain't worth what you think it is.

Now we should probably get back to the subject of this website, Lacrosse. And Stanford has proven to be not so good at that.


Come on and I'm a SB supporter. Stanford has had some great wins this season most recently beating Penn state handily and Hopkins. SB was just on fire yesterday from start to finish! Other than Maryland there isn't much of a difference between 2 and 12
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Stanford over Penn State 16-10. Where are all the Stanford haters now? Will be well within Top 10 with only loss in a close game to ND.


Lets hear it Stan the Cardinal. A drubbing at the hands of 14th ranked Stony Brook. 17-7. Stanford plays no one, and the few good teams they play beat them handily. Sorry, they are pretenders at this point.


Nice win for SB, but they will choke when it counts! And can we even compare a SB degree with Sanford? That's what really matters!


How dare you talk about the education and god forbid the majors taken. Parents on this board only care if their kid plays academics be dam


AHHHH ... but he didn't mention majors. That's the dirty little secret. Stanford kids for the most part don't take the difficult majors, you know the ones that the school is known for. In fact, many of them take the gut major. But in typical Stanford style, the parents can't handle telling their friends that their daughter is taking rocks for jocks etc, so they name the major Science, Technology and the World. Funny. You will find your share of girls lax players and football players in this major. In addition, Stanford would probably not like people to know about "The List". Quite the scandal at the "Farm". This was a couple years ago when it was revealed that the athletic department provided athletes with a list of courses that were easier and where professors would give athletes better grades. Of course many times it's not professors, but TAs that are teaching the courses, because Stanford professors couldn't give a crap about undergrads. They are all about their research. I can certainly put the links on here for you to find all this information, but it is probably easier for to Google it. Ironic that Google was founded by Stanford grads. They however did not use "The List" and are the kind of people Stan the Cardinal want to use to say what a great degree his daughter will have. Sorry Stan, she won't. She will be viewed as an athlete that got in to the school because she plays a sport well. As a recruiter, I will totally discount the paper diploma unless she takes a real major, which likely she won't. And by real at Stanford, I mean computer science, pre med or engineering, not history. If she wants a history major, there are much better schools for her. As an employer, I will value a degree from a top D3 program over her Science, Technology and the World degree. So Stan, not only is your lax team sub par, but the degree you think is so valuable, ain't worth what you think it is.

Now we should probably get back to the subject of this website, Lacrosse. And Stanford has proven to be not so good at that.


Wow , my kid does not go to Stanford but it is easy to see that you have way more problems than a hatred of Stanford. Get a life . Have been a member of the entrance committee for two medical schools in the past and will tell you any degree from Stanford gets you to the top half of the list , add in being a member of the girls lax team and you go to the top. You obviously need to take all the required classes but the major means very little.You are picking on one of the schools that actually give less academic wiggle room to its athletes compared to 90 percent of the D1 schools out there.Clearly you have an axe to grind with something at Stanford and most of us probably have a good idea why.
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Stanford over Penn State 16-10. Where are all the Stanford haters now? Will be well within Top 10 with only loss in a close game to ND.


Lets hear it Stan the Cardinal. A drubbing at the hands of 14th ranked Stony Brook. 17-7. Stanford plays no one, and the few good teams they play beat them handily. Sorry, they are pretenders at this point.


Nice win for SB, but they will choke when it counts! And can we even compare a SB degree with Sanford? That's what really matters!


How dare you talk about the education and god forbid the majors taken. Parents on this board only care if their kid plays academics be dam


AHHHH ... but he didn't mention majors. That's the dirty little secret. Stanford kids for the most part don't take the difficult majors, you know the ones that the school is known for. In fact, many of them take the gut major. But in typical Stanford style, the parents can't handle telling their friends that their daughter is taking rocks for jocks etc, so they name the major Science, Technology and the World. Funny. You will find your share of girls lax players and football players in this major. In addition, Stanford would probably not like people to know about "The List". Quite the scandal at the "Farm". This was a couple years ago when it was revealed that the athletic department provided athletes with a list of courses that were easier and where professors would give athletes better grades. Of course many times it's not professors, but TAs that are teaching the courses, because Stanford professors couldn't give a crap about undergrads. They are all about their research. I can certainly put the links on here for you to find all this information, but it is probably easier for to Google it. Ironic that Google was founded by Stanford grads. They however did not use "The List" and are the kind of people Stan the Cardinal want to use to say what a great degree his daughter will have. Sorry Stan, she won't. She will be viewed as an athlete that got in to the school because she plays a sport well. As a recruiter, I will totally discount the paper diploma unless she takes a real major, which likely she won't. And by real at Stanford, I mean computer science, pre med or engineering, not history. If she wants a history major, there are much better schools for her. As an employer, I will value a degree from a top D3 program over her Science, Technology and the World degree. So Stan, not only is your lax team sub par, but the degree you think is so valuable, ain't worth what you think it is.

Now we should probably get back to the subject of this website, Lacrosse. And Stanford has proven to be not so good at that.


Come on and I'm a SB supporter. Stanford has had some great wins this season most recently beating Penn state handily and Hopkins. SB was just on fire yesterday from start to finish! Other than Maryland there isn't much of a difference between 2 and 12


Hopkins? really? Ok apparently you miss the context. Stan says his team is top 10 "where are all the haters now." When they get destroyed by #14 in the polls, he pulls the "my daughter's school is better than yours crap". Stan just needed to be called out is all. And a few facts on the academic side that I'm sure most people don't know are quite appropriate.
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Stanford over Penn State 16-10. Where are all the Stanford haters now? Will be well within Top 10 with only loss in a close game to ND.


Lets hear it Stan the Cardinal. A drubbing at the hands of 14th ranked Stony Brook. 17-7. Stanford plays no one, and the few good teams they play beat them handily. Sorry, they are pretenders at this point.


Nice win for SB, but they will choke when it counts! And can we even compare a SB degree with Sanford? That's what really matters!


How dare you talk about the education and god forbid the majors taken. Parents on this board only care if their kid plays academics be dam


AHHHH ... but he didn't mention majors. That's the dirty little secret. Stanford kids for the most part don't take the difficult majors, you know the ones that the school is known for. In fact, many of them take the gut major. But in typical Stanford style, the parents can't handle telling their friends that their daughter is taking rocks for jocks etc, so they name the major Science, Technology and the World. Funny. You will find your share of girls lax players and football players in this major. In addition, Stanford would probably not like people to know about "The List". Quite the scandal at the "Farm". This was a couple years ago when it was revealed that the athletic department provided athletes with a list of courses that were easier and where professors would give athletes better grades. Of course many times it's not professors, but TAs that are teaching the courses, because Stanford professors couldn't give a crap about undergrads. They are all about their research. I can certainly put the links on here for you to find all this information, but it is probably easier for to Google it. Ironic that Google was founded by Stanford grads. They however did not use "The List" and are the kind of people Stan the Cardinal want to use to say what a great degree his daughter will have. Sorry Stan, she won't. She will be viewed as an athlete that got in to the school because she plays a sport well. As a recruiter, I will totally discount the paper diploma unless she takes a real major, which likely she won't. And by real at Stanford, I mean computer science, pre med or engineering, not history. If she wants a history major, there are much better schools for her. As an employer, I will value a degree from a top D3 program over her Science, Technology and the World degree. So Stan, not only is your lax team sub par, but the degree you think is so valuable, ain't worth what you think it is.

Now we should probably get back to the subject of this website, Lacrosse. And Stanford has proven to be not so good at that.


Wow , my kid does not go to Stanford but it is easy to see that you have way more problems than a hatred of Stanford. Get a life . Have been a member of the entrance committee for two medical schools in the past and will tell you any degree from Stanford gets you to the top half of the list , add in being a member of the girls lax team and you go to the top. You obviously need to take all the required classes but the major means very little.You are picking on one of the schools that actually give less academic wiggle room to its athletes compared to 90 percent of the D1 schools out there.Clearly you have an axe to grind with something at Stanford and most of us probably have a good idea why.


Come on Doc, top half of list at a medical school gets you nowhere. And u are talking about a student who "obviously need to take all the required classes". That is not the vast majority of lax players. Clearly, if a lax player took all the necessary classes for med school, they are not who I am talking about. That is the vast minority on the Stanford lax team. I am in a business where a Stanford diploma is very valuable (in fact as you state, it is very valuable in most arenas.) But certainly you of all people must know that there are far more qualified students being denied entrance into the Stanfords of the world in favor of an athlete. Good lax player wants to go to Stanford, or Harvard or Princeton ... would you care to opine on the ACT/SATs necessary and the GPA? I can tell you ... would you be shocked to know that a 27 or 28 on the ACT can get you in? How about 1200 on SATs. GPA 3.5/3.6, come on in. Of course it has less wiggle room than most D1 schools. not the point. The point is that Stan boasted first of such lax prowess for the school. Then, when confronted with the drubbing SB put on them, resorted to the "my school is better than yours retort", for which he deserved to get slammed. So I just gave him something to chew on. Great school, awesome opportunity for any young woman looking to get ahead in the world. But has many flaws as well.
Every top 25 school probably has two thirds of their roster in "suggested majors" that's just the way it is when they own the kids 6 hours a day. Now some schools won't drop their requirements to get in (see Notre Dame Football)but most walk you in if you can play and meet the minimums. Just watch some march madness press conferences, not a lot of brain surgeon majors.

The kids that deserve the respect are the ones that pick their major, their school and then athletics. Those are the families that get it.
Another loss by HU today, but what I saw (watched online) is a young team with fight and spirit. Ohio State has 9 seniors and 8 juniors to HU's 3 seniors and 4 juniors. Once OSU got comfortably ahead and subbed a bit, the game evened up. HU's sophomores and freshmen actually outplayed the OSU sophomores and freshmen. I think that's a good sign for the future. The schedule gets a little easier for The Pride now. There's a few more wins in the remaining schedule. Winning as many as possible this year to prepare for next year.
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Another loss by HU today, but what I saw (watched online) is a young team with fight and spirit. Ohio State has 9 seniors and 8 juniors to HU's 3 seniors and 4 juniors. Once OSU got comfortably ahead and subbed a bit, the game evened up. HU's sophomores and freshmen actually outplayed the OSU sophomores and freshmen. I think that's a good sign for the future. The schedule gets a little easier for The Pride now. There's a few more wins in the remaining schedule. Winning as many as possible this year to prepare for next year.


Was at game with my daughter today for the first half and it was really bad. 14-3 at the half. Hofstra looked a ton slower than Ohio state. To hofstras credit the kids were fighting hard just not very talented
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Another loss by HU today, but what I saw (watched online) is a young team with fight and spirit. Ohio State has 9 seniors and 8 juniors to HU's 3 seniors and 4 juniors. Once OSU got comfortably ahead and subbed a bit, the game evened up. HU's sophomores and freshmen actually outplayed the OSU sophomores and freshmen. I think that's a good sign for the future. The schedule gets a little easier for The Pride now. There's a few more wins in the remaining schedule. Winning as many as possible this year to prepare for next year.


They have a shot in the next 2 games against Columbia and William and Mary. After that. They won't win a game. Ohio st could have scored 25 to 30 goals today if they wanted to. Hofstra defense was non existent. They lost almost every draw. There was nothing good to take out of that game today.
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Another loss by HU today, but what I saw (watched online) is a young team with fight and spirit. Ohio State has 9 seniors and 8 juniors to HU's 3 seniors and 4 juniors. Once OSU got comfortably ahead and subbed a bit, the game evened up. HU's sophomores and freshmen actually outplayed the OSU sophomores and freshmen. I think that's a good sign for the future. The schedule gets a little easier for The Pride now. There's a few more wins in the remaining schedule. Winning as many as possible this year to prepare for next year.


They have a shot in the next 2 games against Columbia and William and Mary. After that. They won't win a game. Ohio st could have scored 25 to 30 goals today if they wanted to. Hofstra defense was non existent. They lost almost every draw. There was nothing good to take out of that game today.



I see more than 2 more wins. JMU is WAY down and isn't scaring anyone, Delaware is beatable and Elon and Drexel aren't that good either. Generally a down year for the CAA. It's definitely been a tough year for Hofstra but the next two years recruiting classes look strong, the young girls on the team are gaining valuable game experience and Coach Smith has another year of experience. I predict better years ahead. This year is "just one of those years". It happens.
Let's see if the "verbals" actually commit over the next 2 years. Lots of tension now, and no team comraderie. Get the ball to the graduate student does nothing but create a frustrating field.
All seven of the recruited 2016's have signed their NLI's. I've heard nothing about any of the 2017's decommitting.
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Another loss by HU today, but what I saw (watched online) is a young team with fight and spirit. Ohio State has 9 seniors and 8 juniors to HU's 3 seniors and 4 juniors. Once OSU got comfortably ahead and subbed a bit, the game evened up. HU's sophomores and freshmen actually outplayed the OSU sophomores and freshmen. I think that's a good sign for the future. The schedule gets a little easier for The Pride now. There's a few more wins in the remaining schedule. Winning as many as possible this year to prepare for next year.


They have a shot in the next 2 games against Columbia and William and Mary. After that. They won't win a game. Ohio st could have scored 25 to 30 goals today if they wanted to. Hofstra defense was non existent. They lost almost every draw. There was nothing good to take out of that game today.



I see more than 2 more wins. JMU is WAY down and isn't scaring anyone, Delaware is beatable and Elon and Drexel aren't that good either. Generally a down year for the CAA. It's definitely been a tough year for Hofstra but the next two years recruiting classes look strong, the young girls on the team are gaining valuable game experience and Coach Smith has another year of experience. I predict better years ahead. This year is "just one of those years". It happens.


That's what was said about the last two classes! There's no reason to believe anything will be changing any time soon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another loss by HU today, but what I saw (watched online) is a young team with fight and spirit. Ohio State has 9 seniors and 8 juniors to HU's 3 seniors and 4 juniors. Once OSU got comfortably ahead and subbed a bit, the game evened up. HU's sophomores and freshmen actually outplayed the OSU sophomores and freshmen. I think that's a good sign for the future. The schedule gets a little easier for The Pride now. There's a few more wins in the remaining schedule. Winning as many as possible this year to prepare for next year.


They have a shot in the next 2 games against Columbia and William and Mary. After that. They won't win a game. Ohio st could have scored 25 to 30 goals today if they wanted to. Hofstra defense was non existent. They lost almost every draw. There was nothing good to take out of that game today.



I see more than 2 more wins. JMU is WAY down and isn't scaring anyone, Delaware is beatable and Elon and Drexel aren't that good either. Generally a down year for the CAA. It's definitely been a tough year for Hofstra but the next two years recruiting classes look strong, the young girls on the team are gaining valuable game experience and Coach Smith has another year of experience. I predict better years ahead. This year is "just one of those years". It happens.


That's what was said about the last two classes! There's no reason to believe anything will be changing any time soon



Hey "That's what was said...". What club does your daughter play for, what high school, what college has she committed to, what college does she want to play for?
Hey has anyone noticed that the last two national freshman of the week are two of the so called "not great" "stat padding' "ball hogs" that people on this site complained about last year. Where are all the naysayers now.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey has anyone noticed that the last two national freshman of the week are two of the so called "not great" "stat padding' "ball hogs" that people on this site complained about last year. Where are all the naysayers now.



You must be so proud of your daughter/daughter's high school team mate/YJ team mate. yay for you
sorry they did not play for YJ and if I was their parent I would be very proud
I think the problem that people had with them was scoring 10 goals in a 19-2 game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
sorry they did not play for YJ and if I was their parent I would be very proud


Why can't people just be positive once in a while, without the "I told you so's" or the sarcasm. You sound like such babies! Congrats to them. Long Island should be proud, the freshman class from LI has been outstanding! Including winning 3 out of 6 rookie of the weeks with many more very deserving from LI! Way to go girls!!
Sounds very YJ-ish to me.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
sorry they did not play for YJ and if I was their parent I would be very proud


Why can't people just be positive once in a while, without the "I told you so's" or the sarcasm. You sound like such babies! Congrats to them. Long Island should be proud, the freshman class from LI has been outstanding! Including winning 3 out of 6 rookie of the weeks with many more very deserving from LI! Way to go girls!!


Freshman from BC played for TG. She is a wonderful young lady and a phenomenal player. It's a shame she is out for the season with an injury.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another loss by HU today, but what I saw (watched online) is a young team with fight and spirit. Ohio State has 9 seniors and 8 juniors to HU's 3 seniors and 4 juniors. Once OSU got comfortably ahead and subbed a bit, the game evened up. HU's sophomores and freshmen actually outplayed the OSU sophomores and freshmen. I think that's a good sign for the future. The schedule gets a little easier for The Pride now. There's a few more wins in the remaining schedule. Winning as many as possible this year to prepare for next year.




They have a shot in the next 2 games against Columbia and William and Mary. After that. They won't win a game. Ohio st could have scored 25 to 30 goals today if they wanted to. Hofstra defense was non existent. They lost almost every draw. There was nothing good to take out of that game today.



I see more than 2 more wins. JMU is WAY down and isn't scaring anyone, Delaware is beatable and Elon and Drexel aren't that good either. Generally a down year for the CAA. It's definitely been a tough year for Hofstra but the next two years recruiting classes look strong, the young girls on the team are gaining valuable game experience and Coach Smith has another year of experience. I predict better years ahead. This year is "just one of those years". It happens.


That's what was said about the last two classes! There's no reason to believe anything will be changing any time soon



Hey "That's what was said...". What club does your daughter play for, what high school, what college has she committed to, what college does she want to play for?


not hofstra
IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 28
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 8-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 10-1 374 2
3 North Carolina 8-2 358 3
4 Syracuse 8-3 344 5
5 Notre Dame 9-2 318 4
6 Louisville 11-1 292 6
7 Southern California 9-0 268 8
8 Northwestern 4-4 254 7
9 Penn State 7-2 209 10
10 Boston College 6-4 207 12
11 Stony Brook 6-3 199 14
12 Stanford 6-2 194 9
13 Princeton 5-2 186 11
14 Duke 8-4 145 15
15 Virginia 5-6 130 13
16 Penn 6-3 85 16
17 Towson 7-2 68 17
18 Ohio State 9-1 64 18
19 Johns Hopkins 8-4 48 19
20 Massachusetts 7-1 40 20
IWLCA Poll for Division II, March 28
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 6-0 400 20 1
2 Le Moyne 6-0 375 2
3 Lindenwood 10-0 358 3
4 LIU Post 7-1 335 4
5 Rollins 8-0 328 5
6 Lock Haven 8-0 291 6
7 Mercyhurst 7-1 280 7
8 Grand Valley State 4-3 251 8
9 West Chester 7-1 236 9
10 New Haven 5-2 219 10
11 Florida Southern 7-3 196 11
12 Dowling 7-1 181 13
13 Limestone 6-2 172 12
14 Stonehill 3-2 125 15
15 Queens 6-2 120 14
16 Regis (CO) 7-1 109 16
17 Mount Olive 8-3 68 19
18 Bentley 2-5 53 17
19 Florida Tech 8-3 45 20
20 Indiana (PA) 5-3 14 NR
IWLCA Poll for Division III, March 28
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Cortland 7-0 400 20 1
2 Middlebury 6-0 379 3
3 College of NJ 7-1 343 4
4 Salisbury 9-1 342 5
5 Franklin & Marshall 7-1 320 2
6 Gettysburg 7-1 315 6
7 [lacrosse] 7-3 253 8
8 Colby 4-1 246 9
9 Amherst 5-1 235 11
10 Trinity (CT) 6-2 212 7
11 Tufts 4-3 199 14
12 Hamilton 6-2 181 10
13 Bates 7-1 176 13
14 Messiah 4-3 159 12
15 St. John Fisher 7-0 124 15
16 Brockport 6-0 93 16
17 Christopher Newport 8-1 65 19
18 Mary Washington 9-2 51 17
19 St. Mary's (MD) 10-1 40 20
20 Bowdoin 3-4 34 18


SEE YOU AT STONY BROOK
can anyone tell me how the Stony brook festival/games went other day?..sounded like a neat idea for local lax....was it well attended?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
sorry they did not play for YJ and if I was their parent I would be very proud


Why can't people just be positive once in a while, without the "I told you so's" or the sarcasm. You sound like such babies! Congrats to them. Long Island should be proud, the freshman class from LI has been outstanding! Including winning 3 out of 6 rookie of the weeks with many more very deserving from LI! Way to go girls!!


Freshman from BC played for TG. She is a wonderful young lady and a phenomenal player. It's a shame she is out for the season with an injury.


Syracuse freshman also played at TG
Stat padding is going to be worse in a shot clock world
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stat padding is going to be worse in a shot clock world


Is it? I was thinking that it's certainly going to cause a lot more failed runs at goal and a lot more turnovers as a girl tries to force her way in. But I'm open to hearing all sides.
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stat padding is going to be worse in a shot clock world


Is it? I was thinking that it's certainly going to cause a lot more failed runs at goal and a lot more turnovers as a girl tries to force her way in. But I'm open to hearing all sides.


I do think padding is more of an issue at the HS level, but with the shot clock in college, if the clear is not quick, you might have more people running in to shoot quickly with less time to set something up with an assist.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stat padding is going to be worse in a shot clock world


Is it? I was thinking that it's certainly going to cause a lot more failed runs at goal and a lot more turnovers as a girl tries to force her way in. But I'm open to hearing all sides.


I do think padding is more of an issue at the HS level, but with the shot clock in college, if the clear is not quick, you might have more people running in to shoot quickly with less time to set something up with an assist.


I get what you're saying but I see that more as encouraged ball hogging than stat padding since I don't see that many more goals being the result. In any event, you are right that the number of assists will likely fall.
I think the shot clock is going to expose the more innovative coaches, particularly as it relates to redefending. Quick aggressive midfielders who can ride hard will be valuable players. The more time it takes your opponent to get the ball into their offensive end the less time they will have to work for a shot. Aggressive double teaming on redefending, at the risk of the long ball pass being successful, will be one strategy we will see more of.
Not sure if individual stat padding will be worse, other than there won't be quite the stigma or the accusation of padding if the girls are essentially required to shoot. But yeah, scoring in lopsided games could get way out of whack.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the shot clock is going to expose the more innovative coaches, particularly as it relates to redefending. Quick aggressive midfielders who can ride hard will be valuable players. The more time it takes your opponent to get the ball into their offensive end the less time they will have to work for a shot. Aggressive double teaming on redefending, at the risk of the long ball pass being successful, will be one strategy we will see more of.
Not sure if individual stat padding will be worse, other than there won't be quite the stigma or the accusation of padding if the girls are essentially required to shoot. But yeah, scoring in lopsided games could get way out of whack.

They better put the 3 second call as a major foul back in or coaches (i.e. Stonybrook ) will pack it in and make you try to squeeze the ball against the zone or dodge at inopportune times. There is no real penalty for not leaving the 8 meter. The rules is supposed to make the game safer. Wait to so how many dangerous shot or out of control dodges into the zone at the end of the shot clock. I think this will make the game uglier and actually benefit the teams who are less athletic!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another loss by HU today, but what I saw (watched online) is a young team with fight and spirit. Ohio State has 9 seniors and 8 juniors to HU's 3 seniors and 4 juniors. Once OSU got comfortably ahead and subbed a bit, the game evened up. HU's sophomores and freshmen actually outplayed the OSU sophomores and freshmen. I think that's a good sign for the future. The schedule gets a little easier for The Pride now. There's a few more wins in the remaining schedule. Winning as many as possible this year to prepare for next year.




They have a shot in the next 2 games against Columbia and William and Mary. After that. They won't win a game. Ohio st could have scored 25 to 30 goals today if they wanted to. Hofstra defense was non existent. They lost almost every draw. There was nothing good to take out of that game today.



I see more than 2 more wins. JMU is WAY down and isn't scaring anyone, Delaware is beatable and Elon and Drexel aren't that good either. Generally a down year for the CAA. It's definitely been a tough year for Hofstra but the next two years recruiting classes look strong, the young girls on the team are gaining valuable game experience and Coach Smith has another year of experience. I predict better years ahead. This year is "just one of those years". It happens.


That's what was said about the last two classes! There's no reason to believe anything will be changing any time soon



Hey "That's what was said...". What club does your daughter play for, what high school, what college has she committed to, what college does she want to play for?


not hofstra



Good! I'm sure they are happy to hear that. One less problem to worry about. They're trying to get their program back on track and the last thing they need right now is a "me first" player.
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stat padding is going to be worse in a shot clock world


Is it? I was thinking that it's certainly going to cause a lot more failed runs at goal and a lot more turnovers as a girl tries to force her way in. But I'm open to hearing all sides.


I believe the game may also become a field position strategy. If the defense, beginning with attack players through mid-fielders, pressure the ball to the point of no viable shot you may see teams just dump the ball into the offensive zone rather than give it up to the other team with better field position.

I have seen exhibition games with a shot clock. There were possessions where the defensive ride was so good the offense still had the ball at midfield with 15 seconds left on the clock. They simply dumped the ball into the offensive end rather than give up the ball at mid-field. Goalies also get rid of the ball faster with a shot clock.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stat padding is going to be worse in a shot clock world


Is it? I was thinking that it's certainly going to cause a lot more failed runs at goal and a lot more turnovers as a girl tries to force her way in. But I'm open to hearing all sides.


I believe the game may also become a field position strategy. If the defense, beginning with attack players through mid-fielders, pressure the ball to the point of no viable shot you may see teams just dump the ball into the offensive zone rather than give it up to the other team with better field position.

I have seen exhibition games with a shot clock. There were possessions where the defensive ride was so good the offense still had the ball at midfield with 15 seconds left on the clock. They simply dumped the ball into the offensive end rather than give up the ball at mid-field. Goalies also get rid of the ball faster with a shot clock.



We are going to live through some interesting times next year, without a doubt.
The good is no more stall. The bad will be tighter defense leading to even more whistles for fouls and the real bad will be less set attacks leading to coaches saying "get the ball to Shannon and get out of the way".
Stony Brook has 2 2nd Team Mid Season All Americans. Congratulations!!

A- Courtney Murphy, Stony Brook, Jr.

A- Kylie Ohlmiller, Stony Brook, So.
Originally Posted by America's Game
Stony Brook has 2 2nd Team Mid Season All Americans. Congratulations!!

A- Courtney Murphy, Stony Brook, Jr.

A- Kylie Ohlmiller, Stony Brook, So.


Now that the ladies are getting healthy, expect a big win tomorrow!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
Stony Brook has 2 2nd Team Mid Season All Americans. Congratulations!!

A- Courtney Murphy, Stony Brook, Jr.

A- Kylie Ohlmiller, Stony Brook, So.


Now that the ladies are getting healthy, expect a big win tomorrow!


you're on the HS thread, not the college thread
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
Stony Brook has 2 2nd Team Mid Season All Americans. Congratulations!!

A- Courtney Murphy, Stony Brook, Jr.

A- Kylie Ohlmiller, Stony Brook, So.


Now that the ladies are getting healthy, expect a big win tomorrow!


you're on the HS thread, not the college thread


Really? Better check that.
Nice, hard fought win for HU yesterday over a solid (not great) Columbia team. It's not a season-defining win but it is a win that shows progress. A young team growing up. The graduate player dominated scoring but lots of young players contributed too...especially the freshman goalie Fields.
SB is rolling....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is rolling....


They are rolling and it doesn't look like thy have any really tough games left. Need a deep playoff run to be impressive though.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is rolling....


They are rolling and it doesn't look like thy have any really tough games left. Need a deep playoff run to be impressive though.


It doesn't serve them well not to have any tough games left.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is rolling....


They are rolling and it doesn't look like thy have any really tough games left. Need a deep playoff run to be impressive though.


It doesn't serve them well not to have any tough games left.


I think they would admit for themselves that they have to win a couple of tournament games to claim any level of success. They set the bar high. Now they have to get there or listen to us saying they underachieved.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the shot clock is going to expose the more innovative coaches, particularly as it relates to redefending. Quick aggressive midfielders who can ride hard will be valuable players. The more time it takes your opponent to get the ball into their offensive end the less time they will have to work for a shot. Aggressive double teaming on redefending, at the risk of the long ball pass being successful, will be one strategy we will see more of.
Not sure if individual stat padding will be worse, other than there won't be quite the stigma or the accusation of padding if the girls are essentially required to shoot. But yeah, scoring in lopsided games could get way out of whack.

They better put the 3 second call as a major foul back in or coaches (i.e. Stonybrook ) will pack it in and make you try to squeeze the ball against the zone or dodge at inopportune times. There is no real penalty for not leaving the 8 meter. The rules is supposed to make the game safer. Wait to so how many dangerous shot or out of control dodges into the zone at the end of the shot clock. I think this will make the game uglier and actually benefit the teams who are less athletic!


you're right on the mark in my opinion. the zone has girls packing it in already. its gotten harder and harder to get a clean shot off. thus the sidearm shots and the between the legs shots like trainor and sj tracy.

"uglier" is a good way to describe where wlax is heading. how about 6 players in the zone instead of 7? and a midfield restraining line instead of a cramped 30 yard zone. yah cant get girls out in space dodging and running the way it is now. its like Knicks Pistons circa 1993. just a wrestling match out there now. touch to watch.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The good is no more stall. The bad will be tighter defense leading to even more whistles for fouls and the real bad will be less set attacks leading to coaches saying "get the ball to Shannon and get out of the way".


does Amanda O'Leary from Florida know you are directly quoting her??? those are the exact instructions she yelled out for 4 years to her ball hog YJ midfielder. and the mindset that cost her at least 1 NCAA title. sad...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The good is no more stall. The bad will be tighter defense leading to even more whistles for fouls and the real bad will be less set attacks leading to coaches saying "get the ball to Shannon and get out of the way".


does Amanda O'Leary from Florida know you are directly quoting her??? those are the exact instructions she yelled out for 4 years to her ball hog YJ midfielder. and the mindset that cost her at least 1 NCAA title. sad...


And the same mind set that got Amonte 3 of her championships yelling to get the ball to her ball hog YJ attacker.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The good is no more stall. The bad will be tighter defense leading to even more whistles for fouls and the real bad will be less set attacks leading to coaches saying "get the ball to Shannon and get out of the way".


does Amanda O'Leary from Florida know you are directly quoting her??? those are the exact instructions she yelled out for 4 years to her ball hog YJ midfielder. and the mindset that cost her at least 1 NCAA title. sad...



And the same mind set that got Amonte 3 of her championships yelling to get the ball to her ball hog YJ attacker.



Katrina Dowd played for Yellow Jackets? I thought she was from upsate somewhere???
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The good is no more stall. The bad will be tighter defense leading to even more whistles for fouls and the real bad will be less set attacks leading to coaches saying "get the ball to Shannon and get out of the way".


does Amanda O'Leary from Florida know you are directly quoting her??? those are the exact instructions she yelled out for 4 years to her ball hog YJ midfielder. and the mindset that cost her at least 1 NCAA title. sad...


And the same mind set that got Amonte 3 of her championships yelling to get the ball to her ball hog YJ attacker.


ITS FREAKING UGLY NO MATTER WHAT TEAM DOES IT!
IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 4
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 10-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 11-1 375 2
3 North Carolina 10-2 365 3
4 Syracuse 10-3 340 4
5 Notre Dame 10-3 311 5
6 Louisville 12-1 298 6
7 USC 11-0 272 7
8 Penn State 9-2 240 9
9 Stony Brook 7-3 210 11
10 Stanford 8-2 189 12
11 Boston College 6-5 179 10
11 Princeton 7-2 179 13
13 Virginia 6-6 166 15
13 Northwestern 4-6 166 8
15 Duke 8-5 143 14
16 Penn 7-3 134 16
17 Towson 8-2 82 17
18 Ohio State 10-1 75 18
19 Massachusetts 9-1 29 20
20 Johns Hopkins 8-5 27 19
IWLCA Poll for Division II, April 4
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 8-0 400 20 1
2 Le Moyne 8-0 376 2
3 LIU Post 7-2 358 4
4 Rollins 10-1 315 5
5 Mercyhurst 10-1 300 7
6 Lindenwood 11-2 294 3
7 West Chester 10-1 260 9
8 Florida Southern 9-3 252 11
9 Grand Valley State 6-3 250 8
10 New Haven 7-2 222 10
11 Limestone 8-2 217 13
12 Lock Haven 9-1 211 6
13 Dowling 8-1 173 12
14 Queens 8-2 128 15
15 Regis (CO) 9-1 110 16
16 Stonehill 3-4 91 14
17 Mount Olive 8-3 67 17
18 Bentley 4-5 57 18
19 Indiana (PA) 7-4 53 20
20 East Stroudsburg 10-2 27 NR
IWLCA Poll for Division III, April 4
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Cortland 9-0 400 20 1
2 Middlebury 9-0 379 2
3 College of NJ 8-1 354 3
4 Salisbury 11-1 336 4
5 Franklin & Marshall 9-1 320 5
6 Gettysburg 8-1 310 6
7 Amherst 5-2 257 9
8 Colby 7-1 248 8
9 Bates 9-1 234 13
10 Trinity (CT) 7-2 227 10
11 Hamilton 6-3 174 12
12 Brockport 7-0 145 16
13 Mary Washington 11-2 131 18
14 St. Mary's (MD) 12-1 125 19
15 Christopher Newport 10-1 122 17
16 Tufts 5-4 121 11
17 [lacrosse] 7-5 112 7
18 St. John Fisher 9-1 96 15
19 Messiah 5-4 52 14
20 Dickinson 5-3 15 NR
when does NU make the run we've been told is coming?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
when does NU make the run we've been told is coming?


Who has told you that? Point to that post please?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
when does NU make the run we've been told is coming?


Who has told you that? Point to that post please?


4-6 is shameful
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
when does NU make the run we've been told is coming?


Who has told you that? Point to that post please?


4-6 is shameful


not great. Shameful probably a bit strong given they have the #1 strength of schedule in the country. But the Penn loss is a bad one for them. Puts them at risk of missing the NCAA tournament. But likely 8-2 if they had Stony Brook's schedule. So is Stony Brook's 7-3 record shameful?

2 - 1 goal losses for Stony Brook

Florida and Northwestern
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
when does NU make the run we've been told is coming?


Who has told you that? Point to that post please?


4-6 is shameful


not great. Shameful probably a bit strong given they have the #1 strength of schedule in the country. But the Penn loss is a bad one for them. Puts them at risk of missing the NCAA tournament. But likely 8-2 if they had Stony Brook's schedule. So is Stony Brook's 7-3 record shameful?


Not talking about SB and you know it's dumb to suggest what any teams record would be. It's a losing record for NU and its embarrassing 4 and 6 OUCH.

You are what your record says you are. Right now they are on the wrong side of the average line. SHAMEFUL!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
when does NU make the run we've been told is coming?


Who has told you that? Point to that post please?


4-6 is shameful


not great. Shameful probably a bit strong given they have the #1 strength of schedule in the country. But the Penn loss is a bad one for them. Puts them at risk of missing the NCAA tournament. But likely 8-2 if they had Stony Brook's schedule. So is Stony Brook's 7-3 record shameful?


Not talking about SB and you know it's dumb to suggest what any teams record would be. It's a losing record for NU and its embarrassing 4 and 6 OUCH.

You are what your record says you are. Right now they are on the wrong side of the average line. SHAMEFUL!


Yes u r ... a below average team for the top 15, which is the schedule they play. Puts them in the 10-15 range right now, which is where they r. You likely have trouble w logic. Go ahead shout again. You have anger issues.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
when does NU make the run we've been told is coming?


Who has told you that? Point to that post please?


4-6 is shameful


not great. Shameful probably a bit strong given they have the #1 strength of schedule in the country. But the Penn loss is a bad one for them. Puts them at risk of missing the NCAA tournament. But likely 8-2 if they had Stony Brook's schedule. So is Stony Brook's 7-3 record shameful?


Not talking about SB and you know it's dumb to suggest what any teams record would be. It's a losing record for NU and its embarrassing 4 and 6 OUCH.

You are what your record says you are. Right now they are on the wrong side of the average line. SHAMEFUL!


Yes u r ... a below average team for the top 15, which is the schedule they play. Puts them in the 10-15 range right now, which is where they r. You likely have trouble w logic. Go ahead shout again. You have anger issues.


It doesn't make a difference, there's MD and then there's everyone else - realistically the top four teams right now are probably the final four in May, maybe 1-2 other teams have a shot at getting there, but nobody beats MD


It doesn't make a difference, there's MD and then there's everyone else - realistically the top four teams right now are probably the final four in May, maybe 1-2 other teams have a shot at getting there, but nobody beats MD [/quote]

Completely agree with that. MD is a wagon. The only team that I think has even a remote chance of hanging with them is UNC. And that's only if Waters plays out of her mind in goal.
I'm still taking the only 5 teams to win the nat champ from the last 25 years. Women's lax continues to be like women's basketball. Not enough good talent to go around. Maryland, NC, NW, Virginia, Princeton. This year it looks like Maryland again. A wildcard winner would be great for the sport.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm still taking the only 5 teams to win the nat champ from the last 25 years. Women's lax continues to be like women's basketball. Not enough good talent to go around. Maryland, NC, NW, Virginia, Princeton. This year it looks like Maryland again. A wildcard winner would be great for the sport.


Bad year to compare to women's basketball (even though UConn was never in doubt) - 3 of the Final 4 teams were first timers.
Besides Maryland good luck predicting other three teams to final 4
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm still taking the only 5 teams to win the nat champ from the last 25 years. Women's lax continues to be like women's basketball. Not enough good talent to go around. Maryland, NC, NW, Virginia, Princeton. This year it looks like Maryland again. A wildcard winner would be great for the sport.


Bad year to compare to women's basketball (even though UConn was never in doubt) - 3 of the Final 4 teams were first timers.
But who won? That's the problem others cant break through. UConn won by something like 30
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm still taking the only 5 teams to win the nat champ from the last 25 years. Women's lax continues to be like women's basketball. Not enough good talent to go around. Maryland, NC, NW, Virginia, Princeton. This year it looks like Maryland again. A wildcard winner would be great for the sport.


There is enough talent to go around. The problem is that it doesn't go around.......it all goes to Maryland!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous


SEE YOU AT STONY BROOK


NOT
Is SB for real?
I think that we can officially stop with the Hofstra winning CAA or somehow moving in the right direction, 20-8 loss to JMU today and 6 of the goals were scored by the grad student from UNC doesn't leave much to hang your hat on going forward
SB is all set. They got their leading goal scorer for another year. She had a huge game yesterday, she def should be put on the T list after that game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is all set. They got their leading goal scorer for another year. She had a huge game yesterday, she def should be put on the T list after that game.


Shouldn't there be more justification for putting her on the list if she could do that against one of the big names? Not sure how the list works. Is it just numbers or is it put into perspective with the how they produce in the big games?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that we can officially stop with the Hofstra winning CAA or somehow moving in the right direction, 20-8 loss to JMU today and 6 of the goals were scored by the grad student from UNC doesn't leave much to hang your hat on going forward


Hofstra will not win another game this season. Who's going to score next season when the grad student leaves ?
NU 17 ND 12

Shelby Fredricks is a draw monster
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NU 17 ND 12

Shelby Fredricks is a draw monster


Another horrible loss for halfpenny, she can't manage a game to save her life, with all the talent on the roster how much longer does she last?
Crazy year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NU 17 ND 12

Shelby Fredricks is a draw monster


Still under .500?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NU 17 ND 12

Shelby Fredricks is a draw monster


Still under .500?


Nope nice try ... 6-6

toughest schedule in the nation. starting quite a few sophomores and freshman. They aren't a great team, but a very good one. And a tough out for everyone except maybe the top couple teams in the country. What is your team?

SB
NU was 14-2 against Stony Brook on the draws and won by 1.
She is very good on the draws!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NU was 14-2 against Stony Brook on the draws and won by 1.
She is very good on the draws!


Yes she is becoming one of the best in the nation. NU offense is playing at a higher level the last 2.5 games. They have a great coaching staff and it shows. They are getting better. They still turn the ball over too much and their defense, while decent, is not elite. Their goalie is outstanding tho and just a freshman.

If they reach the NCAA quarter finals or deeper, I would say this is another statement that Amonte-Hiller and staff are one of, if not the, best in the business.

The prospects of them making the tournament just went up quite a bit w the win today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB



Not buying this Stirring the pot
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NU was 14-2 against Stony Brook on the draws and won by 1.
She is very good on the draws!


Yes she is becoming one of the best in the nation. NU offense is playing at a higher level the last 2.5 games. They have a great coaching staff and it shows. They are getting better. They still turn the ball over too much and their defense, while decent, is not elite. Their goalie is outstanding tho and just a freshman.

If they reach the NCAA quarter finals or deeper, I would say this is another statement that Amonte-Hiller and staff are one of, if not the, best in the business.

The prospects of them making the tournament just went up quite a bit w the win today.



Ok Coaches mommy. You have to be family or such a%# kissing would have made you vomit. 6-6 is average. And that is what the team is.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NU was 14-2 against Stony Brook on the draws and won by 1.
She is very good on the draws!


Yes she is becoming one of the best in the nation. NU offense is playing at a higher level the last 2.5 games. They have a great coaching staff and it shows. They are getting better. They still turn the ball over too much and their defense, while decent, is not elite. Their goalie is outstanding tho and just a freshman.

If they reach the NCAA quarter finals or deeper, I would say this is another statement that Amonte-Hiller and staff are one of, if not the, best in the business.

The prospects of them making the tournament just went up quite a bit w the win today.



Ok Coaches mommy. You have to be family or such a%# kissing would have made you vomit. 6-6 is average. And that is what the team is.


Average compared to what? Is ND better than them? They have a 10-4 record? How about your beloved SB, they r 9-3? You don't seem to understand that your schedule matters and teams have vastly different sets of opponents. NU is better than an "average" team by a wide margin.

And it "coach's" numb nuts. And before u whine about lame pointing out typos etc., I'm not. I'm pointing out that you are dumb, which is obvious I guess. So get angry at me for pointing out the obvious.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that we can officially stop with the Hofstra winning CAA or somehow moving in the right direction, 20-8 loss to JMU today and 6 of the goals were scored by the grad student from UNC doesn't leave much to hang your hat on going forward


Hofstra will not win another game this season. Who's going to score next season when the grad student leaves ?



I feel bad for the girls in the team, they have no choice but to finish out the season but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't return. The chemistry isn't there, and nobody wants to play for a mean nasty blame everyone but yourself coach. That loss was humiliating to everyone but the graduate ballhog. With verbals speaking to other coaches I don't see Hofstra progressing until an experienced staff is hired. But don't worry SS, I hear Princeton is looking for a men's coach
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that we can officially stop with the Hofstra winning CAA or somehow moving in the right direction, 20-8 loss to JMU today and 6 of the goals were scored by the grad student from UNC doesn't leave much to hang your hat on going forward


Hofstra will not win another game this season. Who's going to score next season when the grad student leaves ?



I feel bad for the girls in the team, they have no choice but to finish out the season but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't return. The chemistry isn't there, and nobody wants to play for a mean nasty blame everyone but yourself coach. That loss was humiliating to everyone but the graduate ballhog. With verbals speaking to other coaches I don't see Hofstra progressing until an experienced staff is hired. But don't worry SS, I hear Princeton is looking for a men's coach

Didn't they just extend her contract too. I guess playing reputation only goes so far. When you actually have to put in the work, she comes up short. Her club is sinking as is her college team. Couldn't happen to a nicer (extreme sarcasm) person.
IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 11
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 12-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 12-1 376 2
3 North Carolina 11-2 364 3
4 Syracuse 11-3 340 4
5 Louisville 12-2 298 6
6 USC 13-0 295 7
7 Notre Dame 10-4 285 5
8 Stony Brook 9-3 241 9
9 Stanford 9-2 217 10
10 Penn State 9-3 190 8
11 Princeton 8-2 177 11
12 Northwestern 6-6 172 13
13 Duke 9-5 159 15
14 Virginia 7-6 157 13
15 Ohio State 11-1 138 18
15 Boston College 7-6 138 11
17 Penn 8-3 110 16
18 Towson 9-2 68 17
19 Massachusetts 11-1 39 19
20 Johns Hopkins 8-6 19 20
IWLCA Poll for Division II, April 11
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 10-0 400 20 1
2 Le Moyne 10-0 380 2
3 LIU Post 9-2 359 3
4 Rollins 12-1 326 4
5 Mercyhurst 12-1 310 5
6 Lindenwood 11-2 293 6
7 West Chester 12-1 278 7
8 Florida Southern 11-3 265 8
9 Grand Valley State 7-3 245 9
10 New Haven 8-3 215 10
11 Limestone 10-2 214 11
12 Dowling 10-1 167 13
13 Lock Haven 10-2 154 12
14 Queens 11-2 139 14
15 Regis (CO) 10-1 127 15
16 Indiana (PA) 8-5 75 19
17 Mount Olive 10-4 67 17
18 Bentley 6-5 66 18
19 East Stroudsburg 11-3 45 20
20 Stonehill 5-5 25 16

IWLCA Poll for Division III, April 11
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Cortland 10-0 400 20 1
2 Middlebury 10-0 380 2
3 College of NJ 11-1 351 3
4 Salisbury 13-1 334 4
5 Franklin & Marshall 11-1 320 5
6 Gettysburg 10-1 314 6
7 Amherst 7-2 270 7
8 Bates 10-2 240 9
9 Colby 8-2 239 8
10 Trinity (CT) 9-2 231 10
11 Hamilton 7-3 193 11
12 Brockport 9-0 186 12
13 St. Mary's (MD) 13-2 148 14
14 Mary Washington 11-3 125 13
15 Christopher Newport11-2 123 15
16 [lacrosse] 9-5 86 17
17 Tufts 6-5 73 16
17 St. John Fisher 11-1 73 18
19 Messiah 6-4 37 19
20 Union 7-2 13 NR
If #1 Adelphi played #20 Hopkins what's the final score?
Hopkins 18-4
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hopkins 18-4


Maybe more.

#8 Florida Southern (D2) lost to #11 Hamilton (D3) 9-8. Not a fair comparison but interesting nonetheless.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hopkins 18-4


Easy. Not even a game.

The Florida Southern result is a fine data point. Florida Southern lost to Adelphi 16-10. Also lost to D3 #11 Hamilton 10-9. Adelphi is closer to a top D3 team than to a top 20 D1 team.

There is nothing wrong with that, but I don't understand some parents' need to be so unrealistic about their daughter's/daughter's team's ability. They are playing D2 for a reason. And it's fine. Leave it at that.
I have no dog in this fight, but that is one A-hole of a comment. I guess your kid is a leading scorer on a top 20 team. Go to an Adelphi game and tell the parents that.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have no dog in this fight, but that is one A-hole of a comment. I guess your kid is a leading scorer on a top 20 team. Go to an Adelphi game and tell the parents that.


tell them what? The stupid question of Adelphi playing Hopkins as if that was something interesting to ponder is at issue here. I have no dog in this fight either A-hole of a responder. Not only are the Hopkins girls a better team of lax players by far, they are also at a FAR better school. How do you like that?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hopkins 18-4


Easy. Not even a game.

The Florida Southern result is a fine data point. Florida Southern lost to Adelphi 16-10. Also lost to D3 #11 Hamilton 10-9. Adelphi is closer to a top D3 team than to a top 20 D1 team.

There is nothing wrong with that, but I don't understand some parents' need to be so unrealistic about their daughter's/daughter's team's ability. They are playing D2 for a reason. And it's fine. Leave it at that.


Adelphi would beat Hofstra right now
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hopkins 18-4


Easy. Not even a game.

The Florida Southern result is a fine data point. Florida Southern lost to Adelphi 16-10. Also lost to D3 #11 Hamilton 10-9. Adelphi is closer to a top D3 team than to a top 20 D1 team.

There is nothing wrong with that, but I don't understand some parents' need to be so unrealistic about their daughter's/daughter's team's ability. They are playing D2 for a reason. And it's fine. Leave it at that.


Adelphi would beat Hofstra right now


They might. But now you are talking about the 74 ranked team in D1 and a team that lost to Hopkins 17-3. Hopkins could have named the score in that one. A monumental difference. And while you were just taking a shot at Hofstra, you also made the point about Adelphi as well. They are not too dissimilar to Hofstra, not a flattering comparison at the moment.
Not sure you can say that about D2!!
Can not answer for this season BUT I would say for the past seven years or so Post and Adelphi would be very competitive D1 teams. Not saying top 10 but they have been good teams and have been involved in all D1 fall ball events. (have done good)
I have watched D1 games and I will not say the teams but the only D1 thing about them is their school!
I do think you have to get over the D1 , D2 , D3 thing, all have very good players yes more in the Top D1 teams but these girls are all over the place.
Watched Adelphi play Hofstra in fall ball two years ago at Manhasset and beat them BAD!
I think they also beat two other D1 teams that day and I have not seen them there the last two years.
Here's a better question:

Who would win Adelphi or Middlebury?
who's stronger Batman or Superman ? Didn't see the movie
The talent on the bottom 50 D1 programs is really lacking and top D2 and even D3 schools would do just fine against them. Parents love saying my kid plays D1 and top D2 and D3 parents love saying their kid could compete in D1. Both sides have a bit of a complex
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NU was 14-2 against Stony Brook on the draws and won by 1.
She is very good on the draws!


Yes she is becoming one of the best in the nation. NU offense is playing at a higher level the last 2.5 games. They have a great coaching staff and it shows. They are getting better. They still turn the ball over too much and their defense, while decent, is not elite. Their goalie is outstanding tho and just a freshman.

If they reach the NCAA quarter finals or deeper, I would say this is another statement that Amonte-Hiller and staff are one of, if not the, best in the business.

The prospects of them making the tournament just went up quite a bit w the win today.



Ok Coaches mommy. You have to be family or such a%# kissing would have made you vomit. 6-6 is average. And that is what the team is.


Average compared to what? Is ND better than them? They have a 10-4 record? How about your beloved SB, they r 9-3? You don't seem to understand that your schedule matters and teams have vastly different sets of opponents. NU is better than an "average" team by a wide margin.

And it "coach's" numb nuts. And before u whine about lame pointing out typos etc., I'm not. I'm pointing out that you are dumb, which is obvious I guess. So get angry at me for pointing out the obvious.




Obviously average at 6 - 6 Coach's Mommy. Keep the chapstick handy!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NU was 14-2 against Stony Brook on the draws and won by 1.
She is very good on the draws!


Yes she is becoming one of the best in the nation. NU offense is playing at a higher level the last 2.5 games. They have a great coaching staff and it shows. They are getting better. They still turn the ball over too much and their defense, while decent, is not elite. Their goalie is outstanding tho and just a freshman.

If they reach the NCAA quarter finals or deeper, I would say this is another statement that Amonte-Hiller and staff are one of, if not the, best in the business.

The prospects of them making the tournament just went up quite a bit w the win today.



Ok Coaches mommy. You have to be family or such a%# kissing would have made you vomit. 6-6 is average. And that is what the team is.


Average compared to what? Is ND better than them? They have a 10-4 record? How about your beloved SB, they r 9-3? You don't seem to understand that your schedule matters and teams have vastly different sets of opponents. NU is better than an "average" team by a wide margin.

And it "coach's" numb nuts. And before u whine about lame pointing out typos etc., I'm not. I'm pointing out that you are dumb, which is obvious I guess. So get angry at me for pointing out the obvious.




Obviously average at 6 - 6 Coach's Mommy. Keep the chapstick handy!


You really are an idiot. You obviously have a kid who was second fiddle to some kid who goes to NU and it just kills you. Give it a rest ,everyone knows they are a solid program and are a threat to beat anyone .
Nope, just don't like a@$ kissers who can't admit what they really are.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The talent on the bottom 50 D1 programs is really lacking and top D2 and even D3 schools would do just fine against them. Parents love saying my kid plays D1 and top D2 and D3 parents love saying their kid could compete in D1. Both sides have a bit of a complex


So now we are talking bottom 50 D1 so teams 57-107. Ok. now that is a COMPLETELY different argument to the original question posed here, which was how would Adelphi do against Hopkins. The answer again is, they would get destroyed. Enough already. It has nothing to do with parents wanting to say "my kid plays D1". Hopkins is WAY better than Adelphi at lacrosse and academics. OK??? Can we move on now. The answer was simple.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The talent on the bottom 50 D1 programs is really lacking and top D2 and even D3 schools would do just fine against them. Parents love saying my kid plays D1 and top D2 and D3 parents love saying their kid could compete in D1. Both sides have a bit of a complex


So now we are talking bottom 50 D1 so teams 57-107. Ok. now that is a COMPLETELY different argument to the original question posed here, which was how would Adelphi do against Hopkins. The answer again is, they would get destroyed. Enough already. It has nothing to do with parents wanting to say "my kid plays D1". Hopkins is WAY better than Adelphi at lacrosse and academics. OK??? Can we move on now. The answer was simple.


OK angry man, what would you like to ponder?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The talent on the bottom 50 D1 programs is really lacking and top D2 and even D3 schools would do just fine against them. Parents love saying my kid plays D1 and top D2 and D3 parents love saying their kid could compete in D1. Both sides have a bit of a complex


So now we are talking bottom 50 D1 so teams 57-107. Ok. now that is a COMPLETELY different argument to the original question posed here, which was how would Adelphi do against Hopkins. The answer again is, they would get destroyed. Enough already. It has nothing to do with parents wanting to say "my kid plays D1". Hopkins is WAY better than Adelphi at lacrosse and academics. OK??? Can we move on now. The answer was simple.


OK angry man, what would you like to ponder?


Not angry. Laughing at the silliness. What I would like to ponder is how in 10 years, LI will be a pimple on the landscape of women's college lacrosse, and how you will be unable to deal with that.
That would be the last thing i would be worrying about in 10yrs
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The talent on the bottom 50 D1 programs is really lacking and top D2 and even D3 schools would do just fine against them. Parents love saying my kid plays D1 and top D2 and D3 parents love saying their kid could compete in D1. Both sides have a bit of a complex


So now we are talking bottom 50 D1 so teams 57-107. Ok. now that is a COMPLETELY different argument to the original question posed here, which was how would Adelphi do against Hopkins. The answer again is, they would get destroyed. Enough already. It has nothing to do with parents wanting to say "my kid plays D1". Hopkins is WAY better than Adelphi at lacrosse and academics. OK??? Can we move on now. The answer was simple.


OK angry man, what would you like to ponder?


Not angry. Laughing at the silliness. What I would like to ponder is how in 10 years, LI will be a pimple on the landscape of women's college lacrosse, and how you will be unable to deal with that.


hmm 10 years?? that's about how long posers like yourself (lemme guess, your daughter plays in the Jersey or Pennsylvania bush leagues?) have been making that same prediction about LI lacrosse. Dream on poser
Wow a couple of simple thoughts to try and spur some discussion went sour pretty quick. It all started with saying the bottom 50 teams in D1 are weak and that there is some decent lacrosse being played in D2 and D3. Thought maybe some people outside the D1 top 10 would chime. I for one think the top D3 programs can compete with a lot of bottom D1's. After Maryland and handful of others the talent is pretty even
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow a couple of simple thoughts to try and spur some discussion went sour pretty quick. It all started with saying the bottom 50 teams in D1 are weak and that there is some decent lacrosse being played in D2 and D3. Thought maybe some people outside the D1 top 10 would chime. I for one think the top D3 programs can compete with a lot of bottom D1's. After Maryland and handful of others the talent is pretty even


It's more than "a handful of others". But yes, beyond team 60 in the D1 rankings it gets less clear. The way you are stating it implies that a top D3 program would compete well with teams that would simply be way out of their league on a lax field. Draw the line where you want, but it isn't at Maryland and a handful of others. If you say Maryland and 59 others, now you may be getting somewhere near a valid point.
How is Stonybrook ranked so high? They played 4 top teams and lost to 3 of them. What am I missing? All the other games they are supposed to win. Anyone have a clue? Makes no sense.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is Stonybrook ranked so high? They played 4 top teams and lost to 3 of them. What am I missing? All the other games they are supposed to win. Anyone have a clue? Makes no sense.


Just looked think the, beating Stanford by 10 probably is a reason , in addition other teams that were above them lost while they have been winning impressively! That one is easy but if you look at the RPI Ratings released on NCAA website it has Towson at 4 with NO top 20 wins ! Also some other teams such as Duke have a few good wins but have also lost to teams NOT ranked at all
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is Stonybrook ranked so high? They played 4 top teams and lost to 3 of them. What am I missing? All the other games they are supposed to win. Anyone have a clue? Makes no sense.


Probably a couple 1 goal losses to top teams one to the #2 team and a huge win over a very good Stanford team. Other than Maryland think this years tournament can be fun Seems everyone is beating everyone go a few weeks without a loss and climb the charts not saying it's righ or wrong just giving my opinion
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is Stonybrook ranked so high? They played 4 top teams and lost to 3 of them. What am I missing? All the other games they are supposed to win. Anyone have a clue? Makes no sense.


Probably because none of those losses were a blow out? 2 of the 3 games were 1 goal games. Losses to be sure but not exactly definitive.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NU was 14-2 against Stony Brook on the draws and won by 1.
She is very good on the draws!


Yes she is becoming one of the best in the nation. NU offense is playing at a higher level the last 2.5 games. They have a great coaching staff and it shows. They are getting better. They still turn the ball over too much and their defense, while decent, is not elite. Their goalie is outstanding tho and just a freshman.

If they reach the NCAA quarter finals or deeper, I would say this is another statement that Amonte-Hiller and staff are one of, if not the, best in the business.

The prospects of them making the tournament just went up quite a bit w the win today.



Ok Coaches mommy. You have to be family or such a%# kissing would have made you vomit. 6-6 is average. And that is what the team is.


Average compared to what? Is ND better than them? They have a 10-4 record? How about your beloved SB, they r 9-3? You don't seem to understand that your schedule matters and teams have vastly different sets of opponents. NU is better than an "average" team by a wide margin.

And it "coach's" numb nuts. And before u whine about lame pointing out typos etc., I'm not. I'm pointing out that you are dumb, which is obvious I guess. So get angry at me for pointing out the obvious.




Obviously average at 6 - 6 Coach's Mommy. Keep the chapstick handy!


Hello NU apologist, lets hear todays excuses...
I don't think excuses are needed when a team loses to a top 5 team. A team that by the way is 14-0 and slapped SB around just a few weeks back.
People of all the threads, Let's keep this one as our kids are grown up.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think excuses are needed when a team loses to a top 5 team. A team that by the way is 14-0 and slapped SB around just a few weeks back.


Why the comparison to SB, are they the model? Why not just admit that your program used to be in the conversation for the national title, now your favorite team is struggling to not fall into the terrible list from the average list.
Ugh, another embaressing day for Hofstra. Blew a 7-0 lead, Maybe they'll beat Stony Brrok?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ugh, another embaressing day for Hofstra. Blew a 7-0 lead, Maybe they'll beat Stony Brrok?


And maybe Adam Sandler will win Best Actor.
8 shots 8 goals the goalie was off that game.
Plenty of lacrosse left to play.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
8 shots 8 goals the goalie was off that game.
Plenty of lacrosse left to play.


cant blame 8 shots and 8 goals on just a goalie having an off day. Last time I checked there are a few more players on the field
Originally Posted by Anonymous
8 shots 8 goals the goalie was off that game.
Plenty of lacrosse left to play.


not really, they're playing out the season and I'm sure they all can't wait for it to end
She's canned after the last game. This experiment didn't work. Just because your a great player doesn't make you a coach. Adelphi coach going after that job hard.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
8 shots 8 goals the goalie was off that game.
Plenty of lacrosse left to play.


not really, they're playing out the season and I'm sure they all can't wait for it to end


After watching her post game recap video she just looks and sound defeated.
Why would Hofstra allow that post game video out. Puts coach in tough spot
IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 18
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 14-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 14-1 373 2
3 North Carolina 12-2 364 3
4 Syracuse 12-4 339 4
5 Southern California 14-0 321 6
6 Notre Dame 11-4 281 7
7 Stony Brook 11-3 261 8
8 Louisville 12-3 249 5
9 Stanford 12-2 232 9
10 Princeton 9-3 204 11
11 Virginia 8-6 179 14
12 Northwestern 7-7 171 12
13 Duke 9-6 162 13
14 Penn State 10-4 153 10
15 Ohio State 11-2 135 15
16 Boston College 9-6 106 15
17 Penn 9-3 93 17
18 Towson 11-2 72 18
19 Massachusetts 13-1 53 19
20 Cornell 10-2
IWLCA Poll for Division II, April 18
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 12-0 400 20 1
2 Le Moyne 12-0 380 2
3 Rollins 13-1 353 4
4 Lindenwood 13-2 316 6
5 LIU Post 10-3 306 3
6 Florida Southern 12-3 300 8
7 West Chester 14-1 293 7
8 Mercyhurst 13-2 267 5
9 New Haven 9-4 241 10
10 Lock Haven 13-2 197 13
11 Grand Valley State 8-4 193 9
12 Dowling 11-2 184 12
13 Limestone 11-3 154 11
14 Indiana (PA) 11-5 147 16
15 Queens 13-2 129 14
16 Regis (CO) 11-2 96 15
17 Bentley 8-5 75 18
18 Stonehill 6-6 56 20
19 East Stroudsburg 12-3 49 19
20 Mount Olive 11-5
IWLCA Poll for Division III, April 18
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Cortland 12-0 400 20 1
2 College of New Jersey 13-1 376 3
3 Salisbury 14-2 346 4
4 Franklin & Marshall 13-1 338 5
5 Gettysburg 12-1 330 6
6 Middlebury 11-1 301 2
7 Trinity (CT) 11-2 275 10
8 Amherst 9-2 260 7
9 Bates 10-2 235 8
10 Colby 10-2 223 9
11 Brockport 11-0 198 12
12 Hamilton 9-4 173 11
13 St. Mary's (MD) 15-2 166 13
14 [lacrosse] 11-5 135 16
14 Mary Washington 13-3 135 14
16 Christopher Newport 11-4 74 15
17 Messiah 8-5 49 19
18 Tufts 6-6 48 17
19 Union 9-2 47 20
20 St. John Fisher 13-2
Here is a question I am throwing out there to everyone if a NCAA Coach is verbally abusing players and bullying them beyond the normal realm of things who do we contact outside of our university to report this.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why would Hofstra allow that post game video out. Puts coach in tough spot


Its called acting professional, does the NFL/MLB/NHL/NBA only hold post game interviews with the winning team?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is a question I am throwing out there to everyone if a NCAA Coach is verbally abusing players and bullying them beyond the normal realm of things who do we contact outside of our university to report this.


Some university's send the players a coaches evaluation sheet that goes straight to th AD and bypasses the coach. That way the kids can voice any concerns without the coach knowing who it came from.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is a question I am throwing out there to everyone if a NCAA Coach is verbally abusing players and bullying them beyond the normal realm of things who do we contact outside of our university to report this.


Some university's send the players a coaches evaluation sheet that goes straight to th AD and bypasses the coach. That way the kids can voice any concerns without the coach knowing who it came from.


If you are uncomfortable with the AD route, try going to school administration outside the athletic department.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is a question I am throwing out there to everyone if a NCAA Coach is verbally abusing players and bullying them beyond the normal realm of things who do we contact outside of our university to report this.


Call the cops.... Or hire a shrink.
NU

7-7

'Nuff said
The last four in and last four out will be very interesting will be very close and I think could come down to SOS
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is a question I am throwing out there to everyone if a NCAA Coach is verbally abusing players and bullying them beyond the normal realm of things who do we contact outside of our university to report this.


How about you don't call anyone. You teach your daughter to deal with the situation for herself. Let her figure it out and overcome whatever life throws at her.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think excuses are needed when a team loses to a top 5 team. A team that by the way is 14-0 and slapped SB around just a few weeks back.


Why the comparison to SB, are they the model? Why not just admit that your program used to be in the conversation for the national title, now your favorite team is struggling to not fall into the terrible list from the average list.


What's y"your program"?
Just a college lacrosse fan that's all
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is a question I am throwing out there to everyone if a NCAA Coach is verbally abusing players and bullying them beyond the normal realm of things who do we contact outside of our university to report this.


How about you don't call anyone. You teach your daughter to deal with the situation for herself. Let her figure it out and overcome whatever life throws at her.


"BULLYING BEYOND THE NORMAL REALM" I am sorry, but a coach should not bully anyone. Push them to succeed on and off the field, have them reach a level they did not think was possible; yes. Have her start with the coach, or an assistant. Then go to the AD or School president if it is that serious.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is a question I am throwing out there to everyone if a NCAA Coach is verbally abusing players and bullying them beyond the normal realm of things who do we contact outside of our university to report this.


How about you don't call anyone. You teach your daughter to deal with the situation for herself. Let her figure it out and overcome whatever life throws at her.


"BULLYING BEYOND THE NORMAL REALM" I am sorry, but a coach should not bully anyone. Push them to succeed on and off the field, have them reach a level they did not think was possible; yes. Have her start with the coach, or an assistant. Then go to the AD or School president if it is that serious.


6 hours a day
Plus they own you 24/7/365
Then they make you feel like crap emotionally and physically
Lacrosse 2016, where do I sign up?
Get academic money and tell these coaches to F off
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think excuses are needed when a team loses to a top 5 team. A team that by the way is 14-0 and slapped SB around just a few weeks back.


Why the comparison to SB, are they the model? Why not just admit that your program used to be in the conversation for the national title, now your favorite team is struggling to not fall into the terrible list from the average list.


What's y"your program"?


My program? I don't have a program, I'm just a parent. And what "my program" is doesn't matter when I observe that NU is at the end of the road. Just like Chicago (Evanston too). The glory days have passed your program by.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think excuses are needed when a team loses to a top 5 team. A team that by the way is 14-0 and slapped SB around just a few weeks back.


Why the comparison to SB, are they the model? Why not just admit that your program used to be in the conversation for the national title, now your favorite team is struggling to not fall into the terrible list from the average list.


What's y"your program"?


My program? I don't have a program, I'm just a parent. And what "my program" is doesn't matter when I observe that NU is at the end of the road. Just like Chicago (Evanston too). The glory days have passed your program by.


I'm just a parent too. I don't have a "program" either. Your quote "Why not just admit that your program used to be in the conversation for the national title" ... so since you put it in those terms, what's your program?? I observe that you are just a jealous hater. The likely guess is that you are a parent of a sub par athlete and student who would have no shot of being at a school like NU. Why else would you hate so much??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think excuses are needed when a team loses to a top 5 team. A team that by the way is 14-0 and slapped SB around just a few weeks back.


Why the comparison to SB, are they the model? Why not just admit that your program used to be in the conversation for the national title, now your favorite team is struggling to not fall into the terrible list from the average list.


What's y"your program"?


My program? I don't have a program, I'm just a parent. And what "my program" is doesn't matter when I observe that NU is at the end of the road. Just like Chicago (Evanston too). The glory days have passed your program by.


I'm just a parent too. I don't have a "program" either. Your quote "Why not just admit that your program used to be in the conversation for the national title" ... so since you put it in those terms, what's your program?? I observe that you are just a jealous hater. The likely guess is that you are a parent of a sub par athlete and student who would have no shot of being at a school like NU. Why else would you hate so much??


7 and 7. Title hopes gone, Chitown is the second city and NU is just average. Just live with that fact.
The guy who comes on here bashing NU is a very small, flaccid individual. Its almost a guarantee that his kid was always overlooked in his eyes for someone who now plays at NU . Get over it your kid was just never very good and NU had no interest.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think excuses are needed when a team loses to a top 5 team. A team that by the way is 14-0 and slapped SB around just a few weeks back.


Why the comparison to SB, are they the model? Why not just admit that your program used to be in the conversation for the national title, now your favorite team is struggling to not fall into the terrible list from the average list.


What's y"your program"?


My program? I don't have a program, I'm just a parent. And what "my program" is doesn't matter when I observe that NU is at the end of the road. Just like Chicago (Evanston too). The glory days have passed your program by.


I'm just a parent too. I don't have a "program" either. Your quote "Why not just admit that your program used to be in the conversation for the national title" ... so since you put it in those terms, what's your program?? I observe that you are just a jealous hater. The likely guess is that you are a parent of a sub par athlete and student who would have no shot of being at a school like NU. Why else would you hate so much??


7 and 7. Title hopes gone, Chitown is the second city and NU is just average. Just live with that fact.


Feel bad for your daughter who can't live up to your expectations, despite the fact that you never made anything of yourself. Poor girl.
NU is Just Average, I'm told you will get used to it. I prefer excellence.
Interesting HBO Real Sports this month-

Only 24 D1 colleges make money on athletics. 300 lose money. Rutgers loses $300 million per year. Schools are now fighting back against academic and program cuts saying athletics needs to be self funding (think the cut of Hofstra football). They are also saying that although athletics raises the stature of some schools, that many players earn worthless degrees with weak majors.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is a question I am throwing out there to everyone if a NCAA Coach is verbally abusing players and bullying them beyond the normal realm of things who do we contact outside of our university to report this.


How about you don't call anyone. You teach your daughter to deal with the situation for herself. Let her figure it out and overcome whatever life throws at her.


I hope you're not a parent. If an 18 year old is being bullied she needs a safe place to go, and sadly many ADs do nothing. I would suggest looking up the ncaa anti bully contact information.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NU is Just Average, I'm told you will get used to it. I prefer excellence.


I'm sure you do. It's why you are so unhappy. Think about it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The guy who comes on here bashing NU is a very small, flaccid individual. Its almost a guarantee that his kid was always overlooked in his eyes for someone who now plays at NU . Get over it your kid was just never very good and NU had no interest.


NU = NG
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The guy who comes on here bashing NU is a very small, flaccid individual. Its almost a guarantee that his kid was always overlooked in his eyes for someone who now plays at NU . Get over it your kid was just never very good and NU had no interest.


I would almost bet he was the 'angry" registered guy that suddenly went quiet when he was called out. For whatever reason he had a thing for this school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interesting HBO Real Sports this month-

Only 24 D1 colleges make money on athletics. 300 lose money. Rutgers loses $300 million per year. Schools are now fighting back against academic and program cuts saying athletics needs to be self funding (think the cut of Hofstra football). They are also saying that although athletics raises the stature of some schools, that many players earn worthless degrees with weak majors.


and all this is s surprise to you!?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is a question I am throwing out there to everyone if a NCAA Coach is verbally abusing players and bullying them beyond the normal realm of things who do we contact outside of our university to report this.


How about you don't call anyone. You teach your daughter to deal with the situation for herself. Let her figure it out and overcome whatever life throws at her.


I hope you're not a parent. If an 18 year old is being bullied she needs a safe place to go, and sadly many ADs do nothing. I would suggest looking up the ncaa anti bully contact information.


Call Obama
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think excuses are needed when a team loses to a top 5 team. A team that by the way is 14-0 and slapped SB around just a few weeks back.


Why the comparison to SB, are they the model? Why not just admit that your program used to be in the conversation for the national title, now your favorite team is struggling to not fall into the terrible list from the average list.


What's y"your program"?


My program? I don't have a program, I'm just a parent. And what "my program" is doesn't matter when I observe that NU is at the end of the road. Just like Chicago (Evanston too). The glory days have passed your program by.


I'm just a parent too. I don't have a "program" either. Your quote "Why not just admit that your program used to be in the conversation for the national title" ... so since you put it in those terms, what's your program?? I observe that you are just a jealous hater. The likely guess is that you are a parent of a sub par athlete and student who would have no shot of being at a school like NU. Why else would you hate so much??


7 and 7. Title hopes gone, Chitown is the second city and NU is just average. Just live with that fact.


Once that new indoor stadium is built she will be able to recruit the best players - its a horrible place to play and practice. NU has lost the recruiting battle to MD, UF, ND, Cuse, UNC, etc because the environment is much better and NU is not the power house they once were - which came first chicken or egg?
I think I read it was the egg.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is a question I am throwing out there to everyone if a NCAA Coach is verbally abusing players and bullying them beyond the normal realm of things who do we contact outside of our university to report this.


How about you don't call anyone. You teach your daughter to deal with the situation for herself. Let her figure it out and overcome whatever life throws at her.


I hope you're not a parent. If an 18 year old is being bullied she needs a safe place to go, and sadly many ADs do nothing. I would suggest looking up the ncaa anti bully contact information.


This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. A safe place to go? Because the world is so very safe. I got news for you Dad - your 18 year old princess can get drafted to fight in a war now. Not exactly a safe place to go. If you 18 year old can't handle being "bullied" then you've failed as a parent. Wait until she comes to work for a real boss. Are you going to call them too? Because they'll enjoy firing her with you still on the phone to hear her tears. Good job Dad.
NU.....going they way of Immaculata women's basketball. Better use your purple Pom poms while you still can.
Typical JS keeping the NCAA's leading goal scorer in the game to pad her stats when it's 15-0. He does it with his club teams too. zero class
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is a question I am throwing out there to everyone if a NCAA Coach is verbally abusing players and bullying them beyond the normal realm of things who do we contact outside of our university to report this.


How about you don't call anyone. You teach your daughter to deal with the situation for herself. Let her figure it out and overcome whatever life throws at her.


I hope you're not a parent. If an 18 year old is being bullied she needs a safe place to go, and sadly many ADs do nothing. I would suggest looking up the ncaa anti bully contact information.


This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. A safe place to go? Because the world is so very safe. I got news for you Dad - your 18 year old princess can get drafted to fight in a war now. Not exactly a safe place to go. If you 18 year old can't handle being "bullied" then you've failed as a parent. Wait until she comes to work for a real boss. Are you going to call them too? Because they'll enjoy firing her with you still on the phone to hear her tears. Good job Dad.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is a question I am throwing out there to everyone if a NCAA Coach is verbally abusing players and bullying them beyond the normal realm of things who do we contact outside of our university to report this.


How about you don't call anyone. You teach your daughter to deal with the situation for herself. Let her figure it out and overcome whatever life throws at her.


I hope you're not a parent. If an 18 year old is being bullied she needs a safe place to go, and sadly many ADs do nothing. I would suggest looking up the ncaa anti bully contact information.


This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. A safe place to go? Because the world is so very safe. I got news for you Dad - your 18 year old princess can get drafted to fight in a war now. Not exactly a safe place to go. If you 18 year old can't handle being "bullied" then you've failed as a parent. Wait until she comes to work for a real boss. Are you going to call them too? Because they'll enjoy firing her with you still on the phone to hear her tears. Good job Dad.


I'm a mom you idiot, don't get it twisted. And while you sit on your fat [lacrosse] allowing a coach to say disgusting things to your daughter and pound your chest because you think you're a success that she can't come to you there are those of us would not have to make any calls to anyone. An old school meeting with the coach behind a closed door would end being called the hints no young lady should ever be called. You can't talk with a broken jaw, not even you father of the year.
Small detail, there is no draft! The armed services are all volunteer you dope.
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Small detail, there is no draft! The armed services are all volunteer you dope.

LMAO, the guy letting his daughter be abused is possibly the most disgusting parent comment I have seen on this site. Its your daughter you dope if she cannot count on support from her own father I really feel bad for the kid, and yes an 18 year old is still just a kid. Its sad for her and I hope her mother is not some uncaring moron also.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Small detail, there is no draft! The armed services are all volunteer you dope.

LMAO, the guy letting his daughter be abused is possibly the most disgusting parent comment I have seen on this site. Its your daughter you dope if she cannot count on support from her own father I really feel bad for the kid, and yes an 18 year old is still just a kid. Its sad for her and I hope her mother is not some uncaring moron also.


Probably formerly registered now unregistered angry anti-NU guy.
At the beginning of the season I posted that I thought USC was ready to take the next step into the top 10. I stated that the jedi had learned well from the master and that west coast lacrosse was going to get a big boost from another strong, contending program along side Stanford. I was roundly ridiculed on here. I would like you all to acknowledge now that my prediction has come true. Munday et al have established themselves as a top notch program in just 4 short years, following the pattern of NU 15 years ago. They have outstanding recruiting classes coming in future years as well, including the best MF on LI this year. Kudos to the coaches and players for doing what most east coasters thought was impossible (again!). --- funny coincidence that the code verification to submit this post starts w NU2B ... maybe so!!

Once that new indoor stadium is built she will be able to recruit the best players - its a horrible place to play and practice. NU has lost the recruiting battle to MD, UF, ND, Cuse, UNC, etc because the environment is much better and NU is not the power house they once were - which came first chicken or egg?[/quote]

Certainly will help. So does the fact that it's the best school on your list.
Pretty general statement. Best for one might not be best for another. Do we really care this much about NU on this site?
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Typical JS keeping the NCAA's leading goal scorer in the game to pad her stats when it's 15-0. He does it with his club teams too. zero class



Yeah heard bout that. D was at the game she said it was ridiculous. This is typical for JS.

Only one team on LI who I have utmost respect for, who could poss have 30-0 games, and guess what? Coach doesn't allow it, has never happened.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pretty general statement. Best for one might not be best for another. Do we really care this much about NU on this site?


OK fine lets play that game. Harvard is not a good fit for my daughter. She is better off at Adelphi etc. Blah blah blah ...

Best mix of Academics and high level lax in no particular order ... Stanford, NU, ND, Duke, Princeton, Penn, Virginia, Hopkins ... bunch right behind UNC, USC, BC, Cornell, Harvard ... That second group is very strong on one side (UNC for lax Harvard for Academics) and still good on the other.

Amongst those schools, there is a great fit any good student. Now if your daughter is not a good student, that's a different conversation.

There how's that? More specific? Original statement still stands. The best school in that original list is NU.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pretty general statement. Best for one might not be best for another. Do we really care this much about NU on this site?


OK fine lets play that game. Harvard is not a good fit for my daughter. She is better off at Adelphi etc. Blah blah blah ...

Best mix of Academics and high level lax in no particular order ... Stanford, NU, ND, Duke, Princeton, Penn, Virginia, Hopkins ... bunch right behind UNC, USC, BC, Cornell, Harvard ... That second group is very strong on one side (UNC for lax Harvard for Academics) and still good on the other.

Amongst those schools, there is a great fit any good student. Now if your daughter is not a good student, that's a different conversation.

There how's that? More specific? Original statement still stands. The best school in that original list is NU.


Just stop it, NU is NG. No matter how hard you try.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pretty general statement. Best for one might not be best for another. Do we really care this much about NU on this site?


OK fine lets play that game. Harvard is not a good fit for my daughter. She is better off at Adelphi etc. Blah blah blah ...

Best mix of Academics and high level lax in no particular order ... Stanford, NU, ND, Duke, Princeton, Penn, Virginia, Hopkins ... bunch right behind UNC, USC, BC, Cornell, Harvard ... That second group is very strong on one side (UNC for lax Harvard for Academics) and still good on the other.

Amongst those schools, there is a great fit any good student. Now if your daughter is not a good student, that's a different conversation.

There how's that? More specific? Original statement still stands. The best school in that original list is NU.


Just stop it, NU is NG. No matter how hard you try.


Hello again angry guy w daughter who didn't measure up to your hopes and dreams ... I wish her well ... and great distance from you so that she may recover her self esteem and do wonderful things with her life.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pretty general statement. Best for one might not be best for another. Do we really care this much about NU on this site?


OK fine lets play that game. Harvard is not a good fit for my daughter. She is better off at Adelphi etc. Blah blah blah ...

Best mix of Academics and high level lax in no particular order ... Stanford, NU, ND, Duke, Princeton, Penn, Virginia, Hopkins ... bunch right behind UNC, USC, BC, Cornell, Harvard ... That second group is very strong on one side (UNC for lax Harvard for Academics) and still good on the other.

Amongst those schools, there is a great fit any good student. Now if your daughter is not a good student, that's a different conversation.

There how's that? More specific? Original statement still stands. The best school in that original list is NU.


Just stop it, NU is NG. No matter how hard you try.


Hello again angry guy w daughter who didn't measure up to your hopes and dreams ... I wish her well ... and great distance from you so that she may recover her self esteem and do wonderful things with her life.


Unfortunately for her he is probably the same dad who lets his kid be abused.
Picking the right school includes the coach. Many kids who have gone to NU regret doing so. Even some who won National Championships. That is a fact.
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Picking the right school includes the coach. Many kids who have gone to NU regret doing so. Even some who won National Championships. That is a fact.


Wow! Many kids regret going to many places when they don't get playing time etc. Now we are going to say KAH is not a great coach. OK. You have zero credibility.

I personally know dozens of players from those NU teams. They to a woman say KAH was tough, but also one of the most influential people in their entire lives. That the lessons they learned from her have stayed with them and they use them all the time. They look back on their years at NU as some of the greatest times of their lives. Most still show up to each others weddings etc. So go on, keep being negative if you want. KAH is one of the greatest coaches not only in women's lacrosse, but in Big Ten history across any sport. Don't believe me? Watch the video ... https://vimeo.com/41340927

I know women who have played at most top programs over the last 15 years. Many of them differ greatly on their coaches and their experiences. I would have my daughters play for KAH in a second if they could.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Picking the right school includes the coach. Many kids who have gone to NU regret doing so. Even some who won National Championships. That is a fact.


Name them. They are not kids any more. The board rules are fine with you putting their names here. Go for it.
You think all the midwestern lax nuts are talking this much about LI lax? Most of us on here dont care about NU. Set up a NU thread, so we can have some peace. Thanks
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At the beginning of the season I posted that I thought USC was ready to take the next step into the top 10. I stated that the jedi had learned well from the master and that west coast lacrosse was going to get a big boost from another strong, contending program along side Stanford. I was roundly ridiculed on here. I would like you all to acknowledge now that my prediction has come true. Munday et al have established themselves as a top notch program in just 4 short years, following the pattern of NU 15 years ago. They have outstanding recruiting classes coming in future years as well, including the best MF on LI this year. Kudos to the coaches and players for doing what most east coasters thought was impossible (again!). --- funny coincidence that the code verification to submit this post starts w NU2B ... maybe so!!


Not exactly a grueling schedule, lets see if they are still in the top 10 when the dust settles
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Picking the right school includes the coach. Many kids who have gone to NU regret doing so. Even some who won National Championships. That is a fact.


Name them. They are not kids any more. The board rules are fine with you putting their names here. Go for it.


I wouldn't call it regret. Its more like the bloom came off the rose by the time they graduated.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Picking the right school includes the coach. Many kids who have gone to NU regret doing so. Even some who won National Championships. That is a fact.


Name them. They are not kids any more. The board rules are fine with you putting their names here. Go for it.


I wouldn't call it regret. Its more like the bloom came off the rose by the time they graduated.


That happens at almost every program. Players go in believing they will get playing time. I mean why not, they were HS studettes, and courted during recruiting. When they don't see the field as often as they expected, and then some freshman is starting over them after they've done everything asked their disenchantment sets in. Usually bolstered by mom and dad.
Then they begin to resent all they missed as a student-athlete. Seen it happen a bunch.
The friendships are solid, but the lax experience was less than they had hoped.

I have always wondered why there aren't more great HS players who decide to go to great schools with good but not great lax teams, and then try and elevate a program. Go have an impact.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Picking the right school includes the coach. Many kids who have gone to NU regret doing so. Even some who won National Championships. That is a fact.


Wow! Many kids regret going to many places when they don't get playing time etc. Now we are going to say KAH is not a great coach. OK. You have zero credibility.

I personally know dozens of players from those NU teams. They to a woman say KAH was tough, but also one of the most influential people in their entire lives. That the lessons they learned from her have stayed with them and they use them all the time. They look back on their years at NU as some of the greatest times of their lives. Most still show up to each others weddings etc. So go on, keep being negative if you want. KAH is one of the greatest coaches not only in women's lacrosse, but in Big Ten history across any sport. Don't believe me? Watch the video ... https://vimeo.com/41340927

I know women who have played at most top programs over the last 15 years. Many of them differ greatly on their coaches and their experiences. I would have my daughters play for KAH in a second if they could.


Time has passed her and her program by. No more national titles unfortunately, very good coach, but it's time for her to go.
She rides the girls almost 7 hours on some days coupled with it being zero degrees for most of the school year. Should be a great education but very few of the girls take majors that mean anything. No different than most of the top 10 lacrosse schools. Lacrosse is a job, its not fun. You are there to play lacrosse and that's it
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She rides the girls almost 7 hours on some days coupled with it being zero degrees for most of the school year. Should be a great education but very few of the girls take majors that mean anything. No different than most of the top 10 lacrosse schools. Lacrosse is a job, its not fun. You are there to play lacrosse and that's it


That is just uninformed ... you can go look at the majors. Many young woman are taking very meaningful majors. And at a school like NU, that is truly impressive.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Typical JS keeping the NCAA's leading goal scorer in the game to pad her stats when it's 15-0. He does it with his club teams too. zero class


Checked the box score - she scored 5 out of 8 of her goals in the second half after leading 8-0 at the break. Last one with 3 minutes left and the score 15-0. Guess he's hoping the T award people will only look at numbers, not situations.
Why people choose schools is their own choice and should be based on academics, athletics but equally fit. Walk around campus without coaches and get a feel for it !
Agreed. As far as programs go, I believe parity to some degree has hit wlax. But I believe it is in sections, put Maryland to the side would it shock anyone if any teams in top 12 beat any of the others ?!
Few schools limit majors for athletes, in fact they find ways to make it work
Stony Brook going to put a beat down on Hofstra tonight.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Typical JS keeping the NCAA's leading goal scorer in the game to pad her stats when it's 15-0. He does it with his club teams too. zero class


Checked the box score - she scored 5 out of 8 of her goals in the second half after leading 8-0 at the break. Last one with 3 minutes left and the score 15-0. Guess he's hoping the T award people will only look at numbers, not situations.


LOL and the newsday top 100 is put together the same way. T watch is no different. Girls beating up and stat padding against weak teams. #passtheball
So many things go into picking the correct college fit for kids . It is different for every family
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think excuses are needed when a team loses to a top 5 team. A team that by the way is 14-0 and slapped SB around just a few weeks back.


Why the comparison to SB, are they the model? Why not just admit that your program used to be in the conversation for the national title, now your favorite team is struggling to not fall into the terrible list from the average list.


What's y"your program"?


My program? I don't have a program, I'm just a parent. And what "my program" is doesn't matter when I observe that NU is at the end of the road. Just like Chicago (Evanston too). The glory days have passed your program by.


I'm just a parent too. I don't have a "program" either. Your quote "Why not just admit that your program used to be in the conversation for the national title" ... so since you put it in those terms, what's your program?? I observe that you are just a jealous hater. The likely guess is that you are a parent of a sub par athlete and student who would have no shot of being at a school like NU. Why else would you hate so much??


don't know what his agenda is but there are plenty of reasons to hate NU. ugly lacrosse, ugly crime ridden city, ugly weather, plenty of other things too. and yes the loses will go way beyond this season. get used to it...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is a question I am throwing out there to everyone if a NCAA Coach is verbally abusing players and bullying them beyond the normal realm of things who do we contact outside of our university to report this.


How about you don't call anyone. You teach your daughter to deal with the situation for herself. Let her figure it out and overcome whatever life throws at her.


I hope you're not a parent. If an 18 year old is being bullied she needs a safe place to go, and sadly many ADs do nothing. I would suggest looking up the ncaa anti bully contact information.


This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. A safe place to go? Because the world is so very safe. I got news for you Dad - your 18 year old princess can get drafted to fight in a war now. Not exactly a safe place to go. If you 18 year old can't handle being "bullied" then you've failed as a parent. Wait until she comes to work for a real boss. Are you going to call them too? Because they'll enjoy firing her with you still on the phone to hear her tears. Good job Dad.


you are literally as intelligent as the "Cruiser" in the movie Stripes.. and he was a fictional character. no one could ever have been like him. until now!!!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
She rides the girls almost 7 hours on some days coupled with it being zero degrees for most of the school year. Should be a great education but very few of the girls take majors that mean anything. No different than most of the top 10 lacrosse schools. Lacrosse is a job, its not fun. You are there to play lacrosse and that's it


That is just uninformed ... you can go look at the majors. Many young woman are taking very meaningful majors. And at a school like NU, that is truly impressive.


Oh Yes, so Truly impressive!
Make me puke!
NU is just not good enough.
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Stony Brook going to put a beat down on Hofstra tonight.
10 more points for Murph
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook going to put a beat down on Hofstra tonight.
10 more points for Murph


In what was a lopsided PAL game! The fact that SB tried to get a goal for every senior, including defenders was an indication of how overmatched Hofstra was, SB played with them the entire second half - embarrassing to watch if you're a Hofstra fan
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook going to put a beat down on Hofstra tonight.
10 more points for Murph


In what was a lopsided PAL game! The fact that SB tried to get a goal for every senior, including defenders was an indication of how overmatched Hofstra was, SB played with them the entire second half - embarrassing to watch if you're a Hofstra fan


Do spallina and smith have the same time coaching each team?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook going to put a beat down on Hofstra tonight.
10 more points for Murph


In what was a lopsided PAL game! The fact that SB tried to get a goal for every senior, including defenders was an indication of how overmatched Hofstra was, SB played with them the entire second half - embarrassing to watch if you're a Hofstra fan


Do spallina and smith have the same time coaching each team?


You really think that's the big difference?
Both there same amount of time.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
She rides the girls almost 7 hours on some days coupled with it being zero degrees for most of the school year. Should be a great education but very few of the girls take majors that mean anything. No different than most of the top 10 lacrosse schools. Lacrosse is a job, its not fun. You are there to play lacrosse and that's it


That is just uninformed ... you can go look at the majors. Many young woman are taking very meaningful majors. And at a school like NU, that is truly impressive.


Oh Yes, so Truly impressive!
Make me puke!
NU is just not good enough.


Yawn. Great school. Move on moron. Now to something interesting... USC continues to roll. Fight on!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Both there same amount of time.


Same time so both recruited the current teams, obviously extremely different coaching styles. Quick question- if a verbal does not have the required ncaa requirements by senior year is he/she still accepted into school and just put on academic probation?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Both there same amount of time.


Same time so both recruited the current teams, obviously extremely different coaching styles. Quick question- if a verbal does not have the required ncaa requirements by senior year is he/she still accepted into school and just put on academic probation?


Spallina started at SB in 2012. Smith at Hofstra in 2013. You need to take the price of the school into account when it comes to recruiting. Hofstra is almost double the price of Stony Brook.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Both there same amount of time.


Same time so both recruited the current teams, obviously extremely different coaching styles. Quick question- if a verbal does not have the required ncaa requirements by senior year is he/she still accepted into school and just put on academic probation?


Spallina started at SB in 2012. Smith at Hofstra in 2013. You need to take the price of the school into account when it comes to recruiting. Hofstra is almost double the price of Stony Brook.


Pure athletics with no academic money-

.2 at Hofstra off their $53k price tag is $11,600 for a net of $41,400

.2 at Stony Brook off their 22k price tag is $4,400 for a net of $17,600

As Bernie would say that's a Huuuuuge difference.
Spallina was also a head coach for 4 years at Adelphi before he went to SB. That's a big experience edge.
heres a question I am throwing out to everyone what is considered verbalabusse these days in the NCAA when it comes to womens lacrosse coaches. Also, can you say that a coach is physically abuseing girls when she is not feeding them on road trips. What would you consider mental abuse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
heres a question I am throwing out to everyone what is considered verbalabusse these days in the NCAA when it comes to womens lacrosse coaches. Also, can you say that a coach is physically abuseing girls when she is not feeding them on road trips. What would you consider mental abuse.


Please name the university so we can steer clear during the recruiting process.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
heres a question I am throwing out to everyone what is considered verbalabusse these days in the NCAA when it comes to womens lacrosse coaches. Also, can you say that a coach is physically abuseing girls when she is not feeding them on road trips. What would you consider mental abuse.


Please name the university so we can steer clear during the recruiting process.


well judging by the NU girls we can scratch them off the list of suspects.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Both there same amount of time.


Same time so both recruited the current teams, obviously extremely different coaching styles. Quick question- if a verbal does not have the required ncaa requirements by senior year is he/she still accepted into school and just put on academic probation?


Spallina started at SB in 2012. Smith at Hofstra in 2013. You need to take the price of the school into account when it comes to recruiting. Hofstra is almost double the price of Stony Brook.


Pure athletics with no academic money-

.2 at Hofstra off their $53k price tag is $11,600 for a net of $41,400

.2 at Stony Brook off their 22k price tag is $4,400 for a net of $17,600

As Bernie would say that's a Huuuuuge difference.


Also remember that the scholarship dollar amount is based on out-of-state figures
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook going to put a beat down on Hofstra tonight.
10 more points for Murph


Looks like she has a shot at NCAA single season goal record if SBU can advance far enough.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
She rides the girls almost 7 hours on some days coupled with it being zero degrees for most of the school year. Should be a great education but very few of the girls take majors that mean anything. No different than most of the top 10 lacrosse schools. Lacrosse is a job, its not fun. You are there to play lacrosse and that's it


That is just uninformed ... you can go look at the majors. Many young woman are taking very meaningful majors. And at a school like NU, that is truly impressive.


Oh Yes, so Truly impressive!
Make me puke!
NU is just not good enough.


Yawn. Great school. Move on moron. Now to something interesting... USC continues to roll. Fight on!


Maybe they can beat up NU again!
IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 25
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 16-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 16-1 376 2
3 North Carolina 13-2 361 3
4 Syracuse 14-4 333 4
5 USC 17-0 330 5
6 Notre Dame 12-5 289 6
7 Stony Brook 13-3 273 7
8 Louisville 12-4 250 8
9 Stanford 13-3 241 9
10 Virginia 9-7 191 11
11 Penn State 11-4 180 14
12 Princeton 10-4 177 10
13 Duke 9-7 161 13
14 Penn 11-3 154 17
15 Northwestern 7-8 128 12
16 Massachusetts 15-1 73 19
16 Boston College 10-7 73 16
18 Cornell 11-3 64 20
19 Ohio State 11-4 63 15
20 Towson 12-3 37 18
IWLCA Poll for Division II, April 25
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 14-0 400 20 1
2 Le Moyne 13-1 379 2
3 Florida Southern 14-3 345 6
4 Lindenwood 13-2 333 4
5 LIU Post 12-3 318 5
6 Rollins 13-2 305 3
7 West Chester 16-1 289 7
8 Mercyhurst 15-2 258 8
9 New Haven 11-4 235 9
10 Dowling 13-2 210 12
11 Grand Valley St 10-4 191 11
12 Indiana (PA) 12-5 162 14
13 Limestone 13-3 156 13
14 Lock Haven 13-4 151 10
15 Queens 14-2 135 15
16 Regis (CO) 13-2 102 16
17 Bentley 10-5 94 17
18 East Stroudsburg 12-5 56 19
19 Mount Olive 12-5 35 20
20 Stonehill 7-7 15 18
IWLCA Poll for Division III, April 25
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Cortland 15-0 400 20 1
2 College of NJ 14-1 374 2
3 Salisbury 15-2 348 3
4 F & M 15-1 342 4
5 Gettysburg 13-1 327 5
6 Middlebury 13-1 306 6
7 Trinity (CT) 12-2 283 7
8 Amherst 11-2 256 8
9 Brockport 12-1 200 11
10 Colby 11-3 198 10
10 Bates 11-3 198 9
12 Hamilton 10-5 181 12
13 St. Mary's (MD) 16-2 178 13
14 [lacrosse] 12-6 151 14
15 Mary Washington 14-4 116 14
16 Tufts 8-6 106 18
17 Messiah 10-5 72 17
18 Christopher Newport 11-5 54 16
19 St. John Fisher 14-2 38 20
20 Union 9-4 14 19
Originally Posted by baldbear
IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 25
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 16-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 16-1 376 2
3 North Carolina 13-2 361 3
4 Syracuse 14-4 333 4
5 USC 17-0 330 5
6 Notre Dame 12-5 289 6
7 Stony Brook 13-3 273 7
8 Louisville 12-4 250 8
9 Stanford 13-3 241 9
10 Virginia 9-7 191 11
11 Penn State 11-4 180 14
12 Princeton 10-4 177 10
13 Duke 9-7 161 13
14 Penn 11-3 154 17
15 Northwestern 7-8 128 12
16 Massachusetts 15-1 73 19
16 Boston College 10-7 73 16
18 Cornell 11-3 64 20
19 Ohio State 11-4 63 15
20 Towson 12-3 37 18


7 - 8 ? How is that possible, they are so good.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 25
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 16-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 16-1 376 2
3 North Carolina 13-2 361 3
4 Syracuse 14-4 333 4
5 USC 17-0 330 5
6 Notre Dame 12-5 289 6
7 Stony Brook 13-3 273 7
8 Louisville 12-4 250 8
9 Stanford 13-3 241 9
10 Virginia 9-7 191 11
11 Penn State 11-4 180 14
12 Princeton 10-4 177 10
13 Duke 9-7 161 13
14 Penn 11-3 154 17
15 Northwestern 7-8 128 12
16 Massachusetts 15-1 73 19
16 Boston College 10-7 73 16
18 Cornell 11-3 64 20
19 Ohio State 11-4 63 15
20 Towson 12-3 37 18


7 - 8 ? How is that possible, they are so good.


What is wrong with you? Isn't your daughters team 4-11 and just got beat by SHU this weekend?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 25
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 16-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 16-1 376 2
3 North Carolina 13-2 361 3
4 Syracuse 14-4 333 4
5 USC 17-0 330 5
6 Notre Dame 12-5 289 6
7 Stony Brook 13-3 273 7
8 Louisville 12-4 250 8
9 Stanford 13-3 241 9
10 Virginia 9-7 191 11
11 Penn State 11-4 180 14
12 Princeton 10-4 177 10
13 Duke 9-7 161 13
14 Penn 11-3 154 17
15 Northwestern 7-8 128 12
16 Massachusetts 15-1 73 19
16 Boston College 10-7 73 16
18 Cornell 11-3 64 20
19 Ohio State 11-4 63 15
20 Towson 12-3 37 18


7 - 8 ? How is that possible, they are so good.


What is wrong with you? Isn't your daughters team 4-11 and just got beat by SHU this weekend?


Tournament bound, it's going to be an awesome family trip!
I hate to tell you that I'm not the person spewing the venom against N.U. But you have to admit I was right. Since you want to attack my daughter let's talk about her, not her team. She is top half for her position, top 20% for all freshman,and top 1/3 for all players on impact ratings, all this as you stated on a losing team while still studying for one of the forbidden majors. How's your kid doing because I'm pretty happy with my daughters progress so far.
Can you two idiots go down to the schoolyard and slap each other silly, all the while screaming "my kids better than yours".

And by the way, sounds like your kid is a notch above average.
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I hate to tell you that I'm not the person spewing the venom against N.U. But you have to admit I was right. Since you want to attack my daughter let's talk about her, not her team. She is top half for her position, top 20% for all freshman,and top 1/3 for all players on impact ratings, all this as you stated on a losing team while still studying for one of the forbidden majors. How's your kid doing because I'm pretty happy with my daughters progress so far.


You are a certified nut job and nobody attacked your daughter. Not sure what your beef is with NU but it's really getting ridiculous. Glad to hear your daughter is doing well.
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I hate to tell you that I'm not the person spewing the venom against N.U. But you have to admit I was right. Since you want to attack my daughter let's talk about her, not her team. She is top half for her position, top 20% for all freshman,and top 1/3 for all players on impact ratings, all this as you stated on a losing team while still studying for one of the forbidden majors. How's your kid doing because I'm pretty happy with my daughters progress so far.


Good for you! Signed the guy who is killing NU. And it's so easy because they stink.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can you two idiots go down to the schoolyard and slap each other silly, all the while screaming "my kids better than yours".

And by the way, sounds like your kid is a notch above average.


Originally Posted by MKVELE
I hate to tell you that I'm not the person spewing the venom against N.U. But you have to admit I was right. Since you want to attack my daughter let's talk about her, not her team. She is top half for her position, top 20% for all freshman,and top 1/3 for all players on impact ratings, all this as you stated on a losing team while still studying for one of the forbidden majors. How's your kid doing because I'm pretty happy with my daughters progress so far.


There are more than one poster responding on both sides of this. I will give you your due in regards to their record, sure. But they have played the #1 hardest schedule in the nation. They have played the #s 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,10,11,13,14 teams in the poll. I think if you rationally look at a handful of teams ahead of them in the polls, 3 of whom they have beaten (and yes all 8 of their losses have come to teams ranked currently 14 or above) NUs record would be substantially the same as theirs given their schedules. For instance, would a 13-3 NU team be ranked 7th like SB, since that likely would be their record as well? Or how about 9th ranked 13-3 Stanford? I think if you look at their schedule, it is reasonable to conclude that NU might even be 14-2 with the same schedule. I just think it is a little unfair to hammer a team too hard for taking on literally everybody. At least they schedule them and play it out. This year, they aren't top of the heap, but they are a good team that is probably a little better than a 15th ranking IMHO.
And for the record, I have not made any mention of your daughter. I wish you and her well.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I hate to tell you that I'm not the person spewing the venom against N.U. But you have to admit I was right. Since you want to attack my daughter let's talk about her, not her team. She is top half for her position, top 20% for all freshman,and top 1/3 for all players on impact ratings, all this as you stated on a losing team while still studying for one of the forbidden majors. How's your kid doing because I'm pretty happy with my daughters progress so far.


You are a certified nut job and nobody attacked your daughter. Not sure what your beef is with NU but it's really getting ridiculous. Glad to hear your daughter is doing well.
I don't know what your problem is with me, I don't really have one with N.U. Other than I think there not doing well and are getting by on reputation alone. Like I said you should admit that I was right. There last game will be a day g fight in Ohio, if they lose no tourney for them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 25
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 16-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 16-1 376 2
3 North Carolina 13-2 361 3
4 Syracuse 14-4 333 4
5 USC 17-0 330 5
6 Notre Dame 12-5 289 6
7 Stony Brook 13-3 273 7
8 Louisville 12-4 250 8
9 Stanford 13-3 241 9
10 Virginia 9-7 191 11
11 Penn State 11-4 180 14
12 Princeton 10-4 177 10
13 Duke 9-7 161 13
14 Penn 11-3 154 17
15 Northwestern 7-8 128 12
16 Massachusetts 15-1 73 19
16 Boston College 10-7 73 16
18 Cornell 11-3 64 20
19 Ohio State 11-4 63 15
20 Towson 12-3 37 18


7 - 8 ? How is that possible, they are so good.


What is wrong with you? Isn't your daughters team 4-11 and just got beat by SHU this weekend?


Tournament bound, it's going to be an awesome family trip!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 25
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 16-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 16-1 376 2
3 North Carolina 13-2 361 3
4 Syracuse 14-4 333 4
5 USC 17-0 330 5
6 Notre Dame 12-5 289 6
7 Stony Brook 13-3 273 7
8 Louisville 12-4 250 8
9 Stanford 13-3 241 9
10 Virginia 9-7 191 11
11 Penn State 11-4 180 14
12 Princeton 10-4 177 10
13 Duke 9-7 161 13
14 Penn 11-3 154 17
15 Northwestern 7-8 128 12
16 Massachusetts 15-1 73 19
16 Boston College 10-7 73 16
18 Cornell 11-3 64 20
19 Ohio State 11-4 63 15
20 Towson 12-3 37 18


7 - 8 ? How is that possible, they are so good.


What is wrong with you? Isn't your daughters team 4-11 and just got beat by SHU this weekend?


Tournament bound, it's going to be an awesome family trip!


Only if you're a Maryland fan
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I hate to tell you that I'm not the person spewing the venom against N.U. But you have to admit I was right. Since you want to attack my daughter let's talk about her, not her team. She is top half for her position, top 20% for all freshman,and top 1/3 for all players on impact ratings, all this as you stated on a losing team while still studying for one of the forbidden majors. How's your kid doing because I'm pretty happy with my daughters progress so far.


Good for you! Signed the guy who is killing NU. And it's so easy because they stink.


Why the animosity towards Northwestern? They are mediocre this year but so are a lot of other teams. They had a great run and now it's over. It's a lot more than most schools can say. They will get into the tournament. Lose in the first or second round and life will go on. No need to be filled with all that anger
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I hate to tell you that I'm not the person spewing the venom against N.U. But you have to admit I was right. Since you want to attack my daughter let's talk about her, not her team. She is top half for her position, top 20% for all freshman,and top 1/3 for all players on impact ratings, all this as you stated on a losing team while still studying for one of the forbidden majors. How's your kid doing because I'm pretty happy with my daughters progress so far.


You are a certified nut job and nobody attacked your daughter. Not sure what your beef is with NU but it's really getting ridiculous. Glad to hear your daughter is doing well.
I don't know what your problem is with me, I don't really have one with N.U. Other than I think there not doing well and are getting by on reputation alone. Like I said you should admit that I was right. There last game will be a day g fight in Ohio, if they lose no tourney for them.


He was right, and he was attacked for it. And in my not so humble opinion this NU team is only ranked out of nostalgia and they are ranked way too high. There is absolutely no reason they should be ranked at all or even be in the tournament conversation. This is the end of the road. NU = NG.
And another year where one of the five teams that has one the championship for the last 25 years will win again - NC or Maryland.

The sport just cant seem to cycle in new winners. Here's hoping for a major upset, the sport needs it
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I hate to tell you that I'm not the person spewing the venom against N.U. But you have to admit I was right. Since you want to attack my daughter let's talk about her, not her team. She is top half for her position, top 20% for all freshman,and top 1/3 for all players on impact ratings, all this as you stated on a losing team while still studying for one of the forbidden majors. How's your kid doing because I'm pretty happy with my daughters progress so far.


You are a certified nut job and nobody attacked your daughter. Not sure what your beef is with NU but it's really getting ridiculous. Glad to hear your daughter is doing well.
I don't know what your problem is with me, I don't really have one with N.U. Other than I think there not doing well and are getting by on reputation alone. Like I said you should admit that I was right. There last game will be a day g fight in Ohio, if they lose no tourney for them.


If, and it is an "if", they destroy Ohio State at OSU, the #18 team in the country, will you post on here that maybe you were wrong? How r they "getting by on rep alone"? You have been shown the schedule. They have played 11 of the top 14 teams ranked ahead of them. They r 3-8 against them. Not to their standards no question, but if anything ought to rank them higher than 15, not lower. And have beaten all 4 teams behind them in the rankings/out of rankings. They are actually getting penalized for the schedule they chose to play. If they beat OSU, they r into the tournament likely. And should be. I'm sure though the people that agree with you most, honestly, are the players and coaches at NU. My guess is they are nowhere near satisfied with their record.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And another year where one of the five teams that has one the championship for the last 25 years will win again - NC or Maryland.

The sport just cant seem to cycle in new winners. Here's hoping for a major upset, the sport needs it


You will need a physical team w a great goalie to get the upset ... my candidate, and yes it's a way longshot ... USC. Would be an unbelievable story and grow the game on the west coast in a big way. One can hope ...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I hate to tell you that I'm not the person spewing the venom against N.U. But you have to admit I was right. Since you want to attack my daughter let's talk about her, not her team. She is top half for her position, top 20% for all freshman,and top 1/3 for all players on impact ratings, all this as you stated on a losing team while still studying for one of the forbidden majors. How's your kid doing because I'm pretty happy with my daughters progress so far.


You are a certified nut job and nobody attacked your daughter. Not sure what your beef is with NU but it's really getting ridiculous. Glad to hear your daughter is doing well.
I don't know what your problem is with me, I don't really have one with N.U. Other than I think there not doing well and are getting by on reputation alone. Like I said you should admit that I was right. There last game will be a day g fight in Ohio, if they lose no tourney for them.


If, and it is an "if", they destroy Ohio State at OSU, the #18 team in the country, will you post on here that maybe you were wrong? How r they "getting by on rep alone"? You have been shown the schedule. They have played 11 of the top 14 teams ranked ahead of them. They r 3-8 against them. Not to their standards no question, but if anything ought to rank them higher than 15, not lower. And have beaten all 4 teams behind them in the rankings/out of rankings. They are actually getting penalized for the schedule they chose to play. If they beat OSU, they r into the tournament likely. And should be. I'm sure though the people that agree with you most, honestly, are the players and coaches at NU. My guess is they are nowhere near satisfied with their record.
No I will not admit I'm wrong because I am not. You prove that N.U. Is getting by on reputation when you say if they played that teams schedule they would be better. There is no way of knowing if they would have beaten any team they didn't play. If any team from any conference has a better record they should be given the chance to go to tournament over any team with even a 9-7 record because they used to be good. They played there games and lost. Other t arms played there games and won. Why isn't it that simple. In years past N.U. also played very hard schedules and won. Why is it when they lose they should be rewarded? That's kind of like taking a goal off the board for a shooting space violation, rewarding bad play and punishing good play, woman's lacrosse..... Go figure
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I hate to tell you that I'm not the person spewing the venom against N.U. But you have to admit I was right. Since you want to attack my daughter let's talk about her, not her team. She is top half for her position, top 20% for all freshman,and top 1/3 for all players on impact ratings, all this as you stated on a losing team while still studying for one of the forbidden majors. How's your kid doing because I'm pretty happy with my daughters progress so far.


You are a certified nut job and nobody attacked your daughter. Not sure what your beef is with NU but it's really getting ridiculous. Glad to hear your daughter is doing well.
I don't know what your problem is with me, I don't really have one with N.U. Other than I think there not doing well and are getting by on reputation alone. Like I said you should admit that I was right. There last game will be a day g fight in Ohio, if they lose no tourney for them.


If, and it is an "if", they destroy Ohio State at OSU, the #18 team in the country, will you post on here that maybe you were wrong? How r they "getting by on rep alone"? You have been shown the schedule. They have played 11 of the top 14 teams ranked ahead of them. They r 3-8 against them. Not to their standards no question, but if anything ought to rank them higher than 15, not lower. And have beaten all 4 teams behind them in the rankings/out of rankings. They are actually getting penalized for the schedule they chose to play. If they beat OSU, they r into the tournament likely. And should be. I'm sure though the people that agree with you most, honestly, are the players and coaches at NU. My guess is they are nowhere near satisfied with their record.
No I will not admit I'm wrong because I am not. You prove that N.U. Is getting by on reputation when you say if they played that teams schedule they would be better. There is no way of knowing if they would have beaten any team they didn't play. If any team from any conference has a better record they should be given the chance to go to tournament over any team with even a 9-7 record because they used to be good. They played there games and lost. Other t arms played there games and won. Why isn't it that simple. In years past N.U. also played very hard schedules and won. Why is it when they lose they should be rewarded? That's kind of like taking a goal off the board for a shooting space violation, rewarding bad play and punishing good play, woman's lacrosse..... Go figure


There is a history of teams with tough schedules making the tournament. UVA comes to mind. For the last couple of years the Cavaliers have teetered around .500 and were always rewarded a tournament berth based on their strength of schedule. Two years ago they made a run to the final four after worrying if they would even make the tournament.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I hate to tell you that I'm not the person spewing the venom against N.U. But you have to admit I was right. Since you want to attack my daughter let's talk about her, not her team. She is top half for her position, top 20% for all freshman,and top 1/3 for all players on impact ratings, all this as you stated on a losing team while still studying for one of the forbidden majors. How's your kid doing because I'm pretty happy with my daughters progress so far.


You are a certified nut job and nobody attacked your daughter. Not sure what your beef is with NU but it's really getting ridiculous. Glad to hear your daughter is doing well.
I don't know what your problem is with me, I don't really have one with N.U. Other than I think there not doing well and are getting by on reputation alone. Like I said you should admit that I was right. There last game will be a day g fight in Ohio, if they lose no tourney for them.


If, and it is an "if", they destroy Ohio State at OSU, the #18 team in the country, will you post on here that maybe you were wrong? How r they "getting by on rep alone"? You have been shown the schedule. They have played 11 of the top 14 teams ranked ahead of them. They r 3-8 against them. Not to their standards no question, but if anything ought to rank them higher than 15, not lower. And have beaten all 4 teams behind them in the rankings/out of rankings. They are actually getting penalized for the schedule they chose to play. If they beat OSU, they r into the tournament likely. And should be. I'm sure though the people that agree with you most, honestly, are the players and coaches at NU. My guess is they are nowhere near satisfied with their record.
No I will not admit I'm wrong because I am not. You prove that N.U. Is getting by on reputation when you say if they played that teams schedule they would be better. There is no way of knowing if they would have beaten any team they didn't play. If any team from any conference has a better record they should be given the chance to go to tournament over any team with even a 9-7 record because they used to be good. They played there games and lost. Other t arms played there games and won. Why isn't it that simple. In years past N.U. also played very hard schedules and won. Why is it when they lose they should be rewarded? That's kind of like taking a goal off the board for a shooting space violation, rewarding bad play and punishing good play, woman's lacrosse..... Go figure


There is a history of teams with tough schedules making the tournament. UVA comes to mind. For the last couple of years the Cavaliers have teetered around .500 and were always rewarded a tournament berth based on their strength of schedule. Two years ago they made a run to the final four after worrying if they would even make the tournament.
A few posts back someone commented that the same teams will make this tournament and either UNC or MD will win like every year. Until other schools are allowed into tournament, and sos Is diminished no top players will gravitate to non traditional powers and every year will be the same. The structure needs to change
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=MKVELE]I hate to tell you that I'm not the person spewing the venom against N.U. But you have to admit I was right. Since you want to attack my daughter let's talk about her, not her team. She is top half for her position, top 20% for all freshman,and top 1/3 for all players on impact ratings, all this as you stated on a losing team while still studying for one of the forbidden majors. How's your kid doing because I'm pretty happy with my daughters progress so far.


You are a certified nut job and nobody attacked your daughter. Not sure what your beef is with NU but it's really getting ridiculous. Glad to hear your daughter is doing well.
I don't know what your problem is with me, I don't really have one with N.U. Other than I think there not doing well and are getting by on reputation alone. Like I said you should admit that I was right. There last game will be a day g fight in Ohio, if they lose no tourney for them.


If, and it is an "if", they destroy Ohio State at OSU, the #18 team in the country, will you post on here that maybe you were wrong? How r they "getting by on rep alone"? You have been shown the schedule. They have played 11 of the top 14 teams ranked ahead of them. They r 3-8 against them. Not to their standards no question, but if anything ought to rank them higher than 15, not lower. And have beaten all 4 teams behind them in the rankings/out of rankings. They are actually getting penalized for the schedule they chose to play. If they beat OSU, they r into the tournament likely. And should be. I'm sure though the people that agree with you most, honestly, are the players and coaches at NU. My guess is they are nowhere near satisfied with their record.
No I will not admit I'm wrong because I am not. You prove that N.U. Is getting by on reputation when you say if they played that teams schedule they would be better. There is no way of knowing if they would have beaten any team they didn't play. If any team from any conference has a better record they should be given the chance to go to tournament over any team with even a 9-7 record because they used to be good. They played there games and lost. Other t arms played there games and won. Why isn't it that simple. In years past N.U. also played very hard schedules and won. Why is it when they lose they should be rewarded? That's kind of like taking a goal off the board for a shooting space violation, rewarding bad play and punishing good play, woman's lacrosse..... Go figure [/quot

You really are an idiot. According to you strength of schedule should not matter so a loss to Maryland is the same as losing to LIU Brooklyn.Not sure if its the same moron or two separate morons who keep bashing NU but give it a rest .I generally root against NU from back in their glory days but that team is still a top 15 team and will tell you plenty of other top teams would be happy if they do not make the tournament.
Why are some on this board so quick to call others names? It's so childish to do so simply because they don't agree with you. Strength of schedule shouldn't be disregarded, but not as heavily considered. If LIU Brooklyn should ever have a better record than N.U than yes they should get there shot and not dismissed because they didn't lose to someone.
Right now there are 27 teams with double digit wins this year. All those girls worked extremely hard and deserve a shot for a tournament bid over a .500 club no matter who the .500 team lost to. If that happens maybe the race to commit to a program rather than a major of study will end. Try to remember student comes first in the student athlete.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Right now there are 27 teams with double digit wins this year. All those girls worked extremely hard and deserve a shot for a tournament bid over a .500 club no matter who the .500 team lost to. If that happens maybe the race to commit to a program rather than a major of study will end. Try to remember student comes first in the student athlete.

If that happened you would have power house teams scheduling inferior teams just to have a better record. The bottom line is the best teams should make it! You already have teams from weak conferences making it , who have virtually no chance to win a game! The at large teams need to be the best teams!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Right now there are 27 teams with double digit wins this year. All those girls worked extremely hard and deserve a shot for a tournament bid over a .500 club no matter who the .500 team lost to. If that happens maybe the race to commit to a program rather than a major of study will end. Try to remember student comes first in the student athlete.

If that happened you would have power house teams scheduling inferior teams just to have a better record. The bottom line is the best teams should make it! You already have teams from weak conferences making it , who have virtually no chance to win a game! The at large teams need to be the best teams!
like SB did, Four top twenty games with three losses and a bunch of blowouts
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Right now there are 27 teams with double digit wins this year. All those girls worked extremely hard and deserve a shot for a tournament bid over a .500 club no matter who the .500 team lost to. If that happens maybe the race to commit to a program rather than a major of study will end. Try to remember student comes first in the student athlete.

If that happened you would have power house teams scheduling inferior teams just to have a better record. The bottom line is the best teams should make it! You already have teams from weak conferences making it , who have virtually no chance to win a game! The at large teams need to be the best teams!


Or the flip side of teams scheduling ridiculous out of conference schedule just to up their SOS, when they still don't have a shot.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Right now there are 27 teams with double digit wins this year. All those girls worked extremely hard and deserve a shot for a tournament bid over a .500 club no matter who the .500 team lost to. If that happens maybe the race to commit to a program rather than a major of study will end. Try to remember student comes first in the student athlete.

If that happened you would have power house teams scheduling inferior teams just to have a better record. The bottom line is the best teams should make it! You already have teams from weak conferences making it , who have virtually no chance to win a game! The at large teams need to be the best teams!
like SB did, Four top twenty games with three losses and a bunch of blowouts


it looks like 5 top 20 opponents and two wins. Two one goal losses and a loss to USC. Many of the Big conference teams do not want to or need to schedule smaller conference schools. Seems like many of the larger conference schools schedule easier games for The exact opposite reasons. Such as ND playing Liberty etc
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I hate to tell you that I'm not the person spewing the venom against N.U. But you have to admit I was right. Since you want to attack my daughter let's talk about her, not her team. She is top half for her position, top 20% for all freshman,and top 1/3 for all players on impact ratings, all this as you stated on a losing team while still studying for one of the forbidden majors. How's your kid doing because I'm pretty happy with my daughters progress so far.


You are a certified nut job and nobody attacked your daughter. Not sure what your beef is with NU but it's really getting ridiculous. Glad to hear your daughter is doing well.
I don't know what your problem is with me, I don't really have one with N.U. Other than I think there not doing well and are getting by on reputation alone. Like I said you should admit that I was right. There last game will be a day g fight in Ohio, if they lose no tourney for them.


If, and it is an "if", they destroy Ohio State at OSU, the #18 team in the country, will you post on here that maybe you were wrong? How r they "getting by on rep alone"? You have been shown the schedule. They have played 11 of the top 14 teams ranked ahead of them. They r 3-8 against them. Not to their standards no question, but if anything ought to rank them higher than 15, not lower. And have beaten all 4 teams behind them in the rankings/out of rankings. They are actually getting penalized for the schedule they chose to play. If they beat OSU, they r into the tournament likely. And should be. I'm sure though the people that agree with you most, honestly, are the players and coaches at NU. My guess is they are nowhere near satisfied with their record.


New to the discussion, but two things - Ohio St hasn't played much of a schedule at all and NU should easily beat them. All the teams that are ranked ahead of NU weren't always until NU lost to them
out of curiosity and assuming the conference leaders win there tournaments who should be the 13 at large teams ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
out of curiosity and assuming the conference leaders win there tournaments who should be the 13 at large teams ?


Not NU! Bet you knew that was coming !
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why are some on this board so quick to call others names? It's so childish to do so simply because they don't agree with you. Strength of schedule shouldn't be disregarded, but not as heavily considered. If LIU Brooklyn should ever have a better record than N.U than yes they should get there shot and not dismissed because they didn't lose to someone.


Because they are responding to morons like yourself . When you say teams such as Winthrop should get into the NCAA tournament ahead of a team like Syracuse it makes it difficult not to call you a name . When it's obvious you have a personal issue with a player on NU so you come in this site to try and make young women and their parents feel badly simply because your kid was considered consistently lesser than theirs in the classroom and on the lax field it gets old. You come across to others on this site and most likely to your own daughter as an impotent little man .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why are some on this board so quick to call others names? It's so childish to do so simply because they don't agree with you. Strength of schedule shouldn't be disregarded, but not as heavily considered. If LIU Brooklyn should ever have a better record than N.U than yes they should get there shot and not dismissed because they didn't lose to someone.


Because they are responding to morons like yourself . When you say teams such as Winthrop should get into the NCAA tournament ahead of a team like Syracuse it makes it difficult not to call you a name . When it's obvious you have a personal issue with a player on NU so you come in this site to try and make young women and their parents feel badly simply because your kid was considered consistently lesser than theirs in the classroom and on the lax field it gets old. You come across to others on this site and most likely to your own daughter as an impotent little man .
You are a bitter little person. If Northwestern has proven anything this year it is that with this current roster, they do not have what it takes to win. It does not matter if they lost by 1 or 100, they have already played the top teams and lost. No one said that Winthrop should go in over ' use, because Syracuse, unlike Northwestern win. Why shouldn't Winthrop get the chance to go to tournament, they have won 17, and if they win even 1 game in tournament maybe they will start getting the better players, or is that what you're afraid of, schools that are not worthy in your mind getting better than your beloved Northwestern. Since your so hung up on college names and apparently Winthrop is good enough for you, how abou Navy, Ohio State and Loyola all have10 or more wins are they good enough? You snob
There just isn't enough talent in D1. The top teams regardless of their record are miles ahead of teams in the middle and teams down around #70 to 110 have no business being in D1.

The sport needs to expand their pool of champions so the sport expands competitively
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There just isn't enough talent in D1. The top teams regardless of their record are miles ahead of teams in the middle and teams down around #70 to 110 have no business being in D1.

The sport needs to expand their pool of champions so the sport expands competitively
I believe the only way that was that will happen is to find a better way to disperse the top talent. By sending the same 10 teams into tournament every year you get a log jam of talent to those schools. There are girls sitting on the bench for up to 2 to 3 years that could make the mid to lower range teams much better, if they thought that a team like Winthrop could get a chance to go to tournament don't you think? But with the pressure to win tomorrow, and mommy and daddy wanting bragging rights about their kid playing for the best team, kids are running to these schools to sit on the bench, when they could be going to a different school and playing right away. If you think about it it's a total waste of talent. Good players only being used for practice that maybe get to see 100 minuets a year instead of playing 900 minuets. All so that we as parents can brag about The name on top of a degree, that quite frankly, after you get your first job, means much less.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
out of curiosity and assuming the conference leaders win there tournaments who should be the 13 at large teams ?


Not NU! Bet you knew that was coming !


Unbiased and educated opinion may say otherwise, the first 8 or 9 may be obvious but the next 4 or 5 not so much.

IN

ND,USC,SYRACUSE,DUKE,UVA,LOUISVILLE,AlBANY,UPENN,,and PENN ST

MAYBE

BC
CORNELL
HOPKINS
OHIO ST
COLORADO
NU

Now pick 4 based on SOS, top 20 wins, and head to head. Hard not to pick NU if they win the next 2
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There just isn't enough talent in D1. The top teams regardless of their record are miles ahead of teams in the middle and teams down around #70 to 110 have no business being in D1.

The sport needs to expand their pool of champions so the sport expands competitively


Aren't you on your mighty high horse today? That is so obnoxious to say. There are plenty of girls on 70-110 who could have been on higher teams but chose a school for a specific reason. And for your information, being classified as D1 is based on the school's characteristics, such as funding, facilities, resources etc, it is not based on being able to compete with the top 20. My daughter is on one of those 70-110 teams, is having the time of her life, started as a freshman and is going to conference playoffs. Will they ever win NCAA's....not a chance. Who cares? It's all fleeting anyway. She is playing the sport she loves, in a school she loves, being paid to do so and getting an excellent education that will take her to a top medical school. And by the way, she was recruited to three schools in the top 50.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There just isn't enough talent in D1. The top teams regardless of their record are miles ahead of teams in the middle and teams down around #70 to 110 have no business being in D1.

The sport needs to expand their pool of champions so the sport expands competitively
I believe the only way that was that will happen is to find a better way to disperse the top talent. By sending the same 10 teams into tournament every year you get a log jam of talent to those schools. There are girls sitting on the bench for up to 2 to 3 years that could make the mid to lower range teams much better, if they thought that a team like Winthrop could get a chance to go to tournament don't you think? But with the pressure to win tomorrow, and mommy and daddy wanting bragging rights about their kid playing for the best team, kids are running to these schools to sit on the bench, when they could be going to a different school and playing right away. If you think about it it's a total waste of talent. Good players only being used for practice that maybe get to see 100 minuets a year instead of playing 900 minuets. All so that we as parents can brag about The name on top of a degree, that quite frankly, after you get your first job, means much less.


Wow, talk about having a weird sense of priorities. You would like kids who have the opportunity to attend prestigious private schools like Duke, Northwestern, ND, the Ivies,etc., all elite academic institutions,..... or schools such as Maryland, Penn State, UNC, UVa, top state schools, who take no back seat when it comes to academics or alumni networks. to pass on those to attend Winthrop, or High Point, or Rutgers, or name any other D-I school with an above average lacrosse program.
And the reason is they might get more playing time?
I have news for you, the name on the degree does matter. It will help you get that first job, and that first job will be a better one because of that degree. And the alumni network will always be larger and more influential at those schools.

I'll tell you a story. I know a family who's oldest daughter went to an elite academic school, with an struggling lax program. She started all four years, loved her teammates and the school. Loved that she made an impact and the program returned to top 20.
Her sister was better, could have gone almost anywhere. She went to Maryland. Barely saw the field for two years. I asked her dad how was she handling the lack of PT? He said she is loving the team, loving the competition, loves being on the best team in the Nation and wouldn't change a thing. I asked her sister why she didn't follow in her footsteps and take what she had started up a notch? She said that her sister always wanted to play with the great teams at Maryland, and have an opportunity to win a National title. She was comfortable competing for time, and knew that the coaches would play the best players. If that was her great, if she was a sub she was fine with that also.

Yeah, would it be nice if great players didn't all go to the best schools with the best programs, sure. But there are plenty of reasons beyond playing time that should determine their choices. And the one that should not be a factor is that their Mom and Dad will struggle with the notion their little superstar is on the sideline, when they're used to seeing her on the field.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why are some on this board so quick to call others names? It's so childish to do so simply because they don't agree with you. Strength of schedule shouldn't be disregarded, but not as heavily considered. If LIU Brooklyn should ever have a better record than N.U than yes they should get there shot and not dismissed because they didn't lose to someone.


Because they are responding to morons like yourself . When you say teams such as Winthrop should get into the NCAA tournament ahead of a team like Syracuse it makes it difficult not to call you a name . When it's obvious you have a personal issue with a player on NU so you come in this site to try and make young women and their parents feel badly simply because your kid was considered consistently lesser than theirs in the classroom and on the lax field it gets old. You come across to others on this site and most likely to your own daughter as an impotent little man .
You are a bitter little person. If Northwestern has proven anything this year it is that with this current roster, they do not have what it takes to win. It does not matter if they lost by 1 or 100, they have already played the top teams and lost. No one said that Winthrop should go in over ' use, because Syracuse, unlike Northwestern win. Why shouldn't Winthrop get the chance to go to tournament, they have won 17, and if they win even 1 game in tournament maybe they will start getting the better players, or is that what you're afraid of, schools that are not worthy in your mind getting better than your beloved Northwestern. Since your so hung up on college names and apparently Winthrop is good enough for you, how abou Navy, Ohio State and Loyola all have10 or more wins are they good enough? You snob


This is why people think you are a moron. You say it should be based on win loss records as to who gets into NCAA tournament but only stay consistent with that message when talking about NU. Winthrop has a better record than Cuse, UNC yet you will not put them into the tournament ahead of them. Basing it strictly on record is just so juvenile its not worth debating especially with you. Your daughter obviously knows of your obsession with the kid you have been so jealous of at NU , give it a rest its not healthy for her to see your behavior she may think that's what normal adults do.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There just isn't enough talent in D1. The top teams regardless of their record are miles ahead of teams in the middle and teams down around #70 to 110 have no business being in D1.

The sport needs to expand their pool of champions so the sport expands competitively


Aren't you on your mighty high horse today? That is so obnoxious to say. There are plenty of girls on 70-110 who could have been on higher teams but chose a school for a specific reason. And for your information, being classified as D1 is based on the school's characteristics, such as funding, facilities, resources etc, it is not based on being able to compete with the top 20. My daughter is on one of those 70-110 teams, is having the time of her life, started as a freshman and is going to conference playoffs. Will they ever win NCAA's....not a chance. Who cares? It's all fleeting anyway. She is playing the sport she loves, in a school she loves, being paid to do so and getting an excellent education that will take her to a top medical school. And by the way, she was recruited to three schools in the top 50.


All that is great but to start broadening the appeal of the game, different winners each year would be helpful. This years upset winner could be?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There just isn't enough talent in D1. The top teams regardless of their record are miles ahead of teams in the middle and teams down around #70 to 110 have no business being in D1.

The sport needs to expand their pool of champions so the sport expands competitively


Aren't you on your mighty high horse today? That is so obnoxious to say. There are plenty of girls on 70-110 who could have been on higher teams but chose a school for a specific reason. And for your information, being classified as D1 is based on the school's characteristics, such as funding, facilities, resources etc, it is not based on being able to compete with the top 20. My daughter is on one of those 70-110 teams, is having the time of her life, started as a freshman and is going to conference playoffs. Will they ever win NCAA's....not a chance. Who cares? It's all fleeting anyway. She is playing the sport she loves, in a school she loves, being paid to do so and getting an excellent education that will take her to a top medical school. And by the way, she was recruited to three schools in the top 50.


All that is great but to start broadening the appeal of the game, different winners each year would be helpful. This years upset winner could be?


Anyone in the tournament who isn't seeded #1, that's why they call it an upset.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There just isn't enough talent in D1. The top teams regardless of their record are miles ahead of teams in the middle and teams down around #70 to 110 have no business being in D1.

The sport needs to expand their pool of champions so the sport expands competitively


Wrong. There is more talent than ever in every level of women's lacrosse. Which means the top teams, which attract players who have the guts to compete for playing time against the best, have top talent depth from top to bottom.
The teams outside the top 20-25 have a few really good players, maybe even one great one.....they just don't have 30 of them.
The talent is there, it is just concentrated.

Let's be honest, if you don't have a "Brand Name" school you better have a coaching staff that can recruit. That's more important than the X's and O's.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There just isn't enough talent in D1. The top teams regardless of their record are miles ahead of teams in the middle and teams down around #70 to 110 have no business being in D1.

The sport needs to expand their pool of champions so the sport expands competitively


Wrong. There is more talent than ever in every level of women's lacrosse. Which means the top teams, which attract players who have the guts to compete for playing time against the best, have top talent depth from top to bottom.
The teams outside the top 20-25 have a few really good players, maybe even one great one.....they just don't have 30 of them.
The talent is there, it is just concentrated.

Let's be honest, if you don't have a "Brand Name" school you better have a coaching staff that can recruit. That's more important than the X's and O's.


For 20 years I have been hearing watch out for schools 20-50 they are ready to make the jump. Hasn't happened. We need a 20 seed to win one, that would help with every teams recruiting!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why are some on this board so quick to call others names? It's so childish to do so simply because they don't agree with you. Strength of schedule shouldn't be disregarded, but not as heavily considered. If LIU Brooklyn should ever have a better record than N.U than yes they should get there shot and not dismissed because they didn't lose to someone.


Because they are responding to morons like yourself . When you say teams such as Winthrop should get into the NCAA tournament ahead of a team like Syracuse it makes it difficult not to call you a name . When it's obvious you have a personal issue with a player on NU so you come in this site to try and make young women and their parents feel badly simply because your kid was considered consistently lesser than theirs in the classroom and on the lax field it gets old. You come across to others on this site and most likely to your own daughter as an impotent little man .
You are a bitter little person. If Northwestern has proven anything this year it is that with this current roster, they do not have what it takes to win. It does not matter if they lost by 1 or 100, they have already played the top teams and lost. No one said that Winthrop should go in over ' use, because Syracuse, unlike Northwestern win. Why shouldn't Winthrop get the chance to go to tournament, they have won 17, and if they win even 1 game in tournament maybe they will start getting the better players, or is that what you're afraid of, schools that are not worthy in your mind getting better than your beloved Northwestern. Since your so hung up on college names and apparently Winthrop is good enough for you, how abou Navy, Ohio State and Loyola all have10 or more wins are they good enough? You snob


This is why people think you are a moron. You say it should be based on win loss records as to who gets into NCAA tournament but only stay consistent with that message when talking about NU. Winthrop has a better record than Cuse, UNC yet you will not put them into the tournament ahead of them. Basing it strictly on record is just so juvenile its not worth debating especially with you. Your daughter obviously knows of your obsession with the kid you have been so jealous of at NU , give it a rest its not healthy for her to see your behavior she may think that's what normal adults do.
I don't know who you think you're talking to, but I have no bad or jealous feelings toward any woman on N.U. I never said wins and losses should be the sole criteria for tournament selection. Definitely conference champions should get in. I just don't think a .500 team should be allowed in simply because of s.o.s. alone. I'm truly sorry you're so upset about your daughters team not playing well this year, it must be so disappointing to think someone you love did not meet up to the expectations you believed. If they are truly as good as you think, they can prove it next year. But for the good of the sport, and not thinking selfishly any single girl, the N.C.A.A. must start to get other teams into the tournament. Let's face of t no one is beating Maryland in the foreseeable future, so do we do nothing and allow only 1 team to dominate, is that good for the sport. As a side note it is you that seems so angry. Nobody has singled out a single player other than you in this discussion. No one cares about your daughter, good for her she's at N.U. Just be happy with that. Your seem to have to prove how much better she is to everyone and no cares. Stop trying to make people feel inferior it makes you seem petty
NU should be out of the conversation. Period.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why are some on this board so quick to call others names? It's so childish to do so simply because they don't agree with you. Strength of schedule shouldn't be disregarded, but not as heavily considered. If LIU Brooklyn should ever have a better record than N.U than yes they should get there shot and not dismissed because they didn't lose to someone.


Because they are responding to morons like yourself . When you say teams such as Winthrop should get into the NCAA tournament ahead of a team like Syracuse it makes it difficult not to call you a name . When it's obvious you have a personal issue with a player on NU so you come in this site to try and make young women and their parents feel badly simply because your kid was considered consistently lesser than theirs in the classroom and on the lax field it gets old. You come across to others on this site and most likely to your own daughter as an impotent little man .
You are a bitter little person. If Northwestern has proven anything this year it is that with this current roster, they do not have what it takes to win. It does not matter if they lost by 1 or 100, they have already played the top teams and lost. No one said that Winthrop should go in over ' use, because Syracuse, unlike Northwestern win. Why shouldn't Winthrop get the chance to go to tournament, they have won 17, and if they win even 1 game in tournament maybe they will start getting the better players, or is that what you're afraid of, schools that are not worthy in your mind getting better than your beloved Northwestern. Since your so hung up on college names and apparently Winthrop is good enough for you, how abou Navy, Ohio State and Loyola all have10 or more wins are they good enough? You snob



he called you a snob you can't sit there and take that sitting down... fight! fight! fight!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There just isn't enough talent in D1. The top teams regardless of their record are miles ahead of teams in the middle and teams down around #70 to 110 have no business being in D1.

The sport needs to expand their pool of champions so the sport expands competitively
I believe the only way that was that will happen is to find a better way to disperse the top talent. By sending the same 10 teams into tournament every year you get a log jam of talent to those schools. There are girls sitting on the bench for up to 2 to 3 years that could make the mid to lower range teams much better, if they thought that a team like Winthrop could get a chance to go to tournament don't you think? But with the pressure to win tomorrow, and mommy and daddy wanting bragging rights about their kid playing for the best team, kids are running to these schools to sit on the bench, when they could be going to a different school and playing right away. If you think about it it's a total waste of talent. Good players only being used for practice that maybe get to see 100 minuets a year instead of playing 900 minuets. All so that we as parents can brag about The name on top of a degree, that quite frankly, after you get your first job, means much less.


Wow, talk about having a weird sense of priorities. You would like kids who have the opportunity to attend prestigious private schools like Duke, Northwestern, ND, the Ivies,etc., all elite academic institutions,..... or schools such as Maryland, Penn State, UNC, UVa, top state schools, who take no back seat when it comes to academics or alumni networks. to pass on those to attend Winthrop, or High Point, or Rutgers, or name any other D-I school with an above average lacrosse program.
And the reason is they might get more playing time?
I have news for you, the name on the degree does matter. It will help you get that first job, and that first job will be a better one because of that degree. And the alumni network will always be larger and more influential at those schools.

I'll tell you a story. I know a family who's oldest daughter went to an elite academic school, with an struggling lax program. She started all four years, loved her teammates and the school. Loved that she made an impact and the program returned to top 20.
Her sister was better, could have gone almost anywhere. She went to Maryland. Barely saw the field for two years. I asked her dad how was she handling the lack of PT? He said she is loving the team, loving the competition, loves being on the best team in the Nation and wouldn't change a thing. I asked her sister why she didn't follow in her footsteps and take what she had started up a notch? She said that her sister always wanted to play with the great teams at Maryland, and have an opportunity to win a National title. She was comfortable competing for time, and knew that the coaches would play the best players. If that was her great, if she was a sub she was fine with that also.

Yeah, would it be nice if great players didn't all go to the best schools with the best programs, sure. But there are plenty of reasons beyond playing time that should determine their choices. And the one that should not be a factor is that their Mom and Dad will struggle with the notion their little superstar is on the sideline, when they're used to seeing her on the field.
Maybe I am an Idiot. You make some very valid points and I am glad that girl was happy with her experience, but does that mean we should all travel that path? I was taught, and I taught my kids, to blaze ther own path, not to follow but to leed, I have had that very conversation with my daughters, but it was a little different. Yes you are correct all those schools have very strong alumni networks, that anyone would be smart to try to take advantage of. But let me lay out a hypothetical situation, let's say a girl really loves to compete, but also likes to try to build a legacy of her own. She reall want to play every minuet she can in competition not only on the practice field, but the playing field also, so she goes to a lower ranked school and loves her school and teammates just as much as the girl in your story, and dispite the odds she graduates and becomes successful, even though her school isn't as prestigious as an ivy or Notre Dame, and she decides to help other girls from her alma mater succeed as she has, isn't that the way alumni networks happen, or should it only happen for the schools on your list? Do the alumni networks at every other school not count? Should we all follow you and your friend like sheep because it worked for you and it's safe?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why are some on this board so quick to call others names? It's so childish to do so simply because they don't agree with you. Strength of schedule shouldn't be disregarded, but not as heavily considered. If LIU Brooklyn should ever have a better record than N.U than yes they should get there shot and not dismissed because they didn't lose to someone.


Because they are responding to morons like yourself . When you say teams such as Winthrop should get into the NCAA tournament ahead of a team like Syracuse it makes it difficult not to call you a name . When it's obvious you have a personal issue with a player on NU so you come in this site to try and make young women and their parents feel badly simply because your kid was considered consistently lesser than theirs in the classroom and on the lax field it gets old. You come across to others on this site and most likely to your own daughter as an impotent little man .
You are a bitter little person. If Northwestern has proven anything this year it is that with this current roster, they do not have what it takes to win. It does not matter if they lost by 1 or 100, they have already played the top teams and lost. No one said that Winthrop should go in over ' use, because Syracuse, unlike Northwestern win. Why shouldn't Winthrop get the chance to go to tournament, they have won 17, and if they win even 1 game in tournament maybe they will start getting the better players, or is that what you're afraid of, schools that are not worthy in your mind getting better than your beloved Northwestern. Since your so hung up on college names and apparently Winthrop is good enough for you, how abou Navy, Ohio State and Loyola all have10 or more wins are they good enough? You snob



he called you a snob you can't sit there and take that sitting down... fight! fight! fight!


Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. I have seen that this moron is obsessed with a program and sadly I believe one kid in the program in particular. Starting to think he may actually have enough of a learning deficit that he cannot understand simple logic.
The bottom line is NU is a good team with a mediocre record.
We need a NU thread
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The bottom line is NU is a good team with a mediocre record.


An average team with an average record. They should not get in the tournament with those credentials.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We need a NU thread


Probably smile But the topic has sparked some interesting side discussions about the broader sport. I think SOS matters. I think the rule that you must have at least a .500 record to get in prevents the truly mediocre from getting in when the reality is, the ONLY way a 9-7, 8-8 type team will get in is if they have an overwhelmingly tough schedule, have won some of those games (NU has beaten #6, #7, #13 and lost to #3 in OT). I think Laxpower rankings are a pretty source for a computer model that takes all of this into consideration. Those rankings have NU ranked 10th in the nation. While not perfect, that's a pretty good indication of why they should be considered for the tournament, if they finish .500 or better.

As to the 'weaker' schools ... the equivalent of mid-majors in basketball, that's why the conference winners get in. They have their chance as well. I really don't think lax is all that much different than any other NCAA sport in regards to dominant teams/conferences. It is just earlier in its growth curve. NU themselves were an unbelievable underdog once upon a time. USC looks to be one that might push the "establishment" next. The game is growing and I think we might all be surprised 10 years from now with the geographical diversity of strong programs and how that will continue to loosen the stranglehold on the top by a few programs.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We need a NU thread


Probably smile But the topic has sparked some interesting side discussions about the broader sport. I think SOS matters. I think the rule that you must have at least a .500 record to get in prevents the truly mediocre from getting in when the reality is, the ONLY way a 9-7, 8-8 type team will get in is if they have an overwhelmingly tough schedule, have won some of those games (NU has beaten #6, #7, #13 and lost to #3 in OT). I think Laxpower rankings are a pretty source for a computer model that takes all of this into consideration. Those rankings have NU ranked 10th in the nation. While not perfect, that's a pretty good indication of why they should be considered for the tournament, if they finish .500 or better.

As to the 'weaker' schools ... the equivalent of mid-majors in basketball, that's why the conference winners get in. They have their chance as well. I really don't think lax is all that much different than any other NCAA sport in regards to dominant teams/conferences. It is just earlier in its growth curve. NU themselves were an unbelievable underdog once upon a time. USC looks to be one that might push the "establishment" next. The game is growing and I think we might all be surprised 10 years from now with the geographical diversity of strong programs and how that will continue to loosen the stranglehold on the top by a few programs.
I think, at this time .500 is too shallow a pool, .666 or 2/3 of your games is better.
So besides the AQ and the obvious at large teams who should be in the 26 team field ? And why ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We need a NU thread


Probably smile But the topic has sparked some interesting side discussions about the broader sport. I think SOS matters. I think the rule that you must have at least a .500 record to get in prevents the truly mediocre from getting in when the reality is, the ONLY way a 9-7, 8-8 type team will get in is if they have an overwhelmingly tough schedule, have won some of those games (NU has beaten #6, #7, #13 and lost to #3 in OT). I think Laxpower rankings are a pretty source for a computer model that takes all of this into consideration. Those rankings have NU ranked 10th in the nation. While not perfect, that's a pretty good indication of why they should be considered for the tournament, if they finish .500 or better.

As to the 'weaker' schools ... the equivalent of mid-majors in basketball, that's why the conference winners get in. They have their chance as well. I really don't think lax is all that much different than any other NCAA sport in regards to dominant teams/conferences. It is just earlier in its growth curve. NU themselves were an unbelievable underdog once upon a time. USC looks to be one that might push the "establishment" next. The game is growing and I think we might all be surprised 10 years from now with the geographical diversity of strong programs and how that will continue to loosen the stranglehold on the top by a few programs.
I think, at this time .500 is too shallow a pool, .666 or 2/3 of your games is better.


Maybe. With so few truly strong conferences though, .500 seems better to me. The Virginia example cited earlier explains why. A team from the ACC, with a .500 record made it to the final 4. Right now, there are too few strong conferences, and w only 17 games, .666 would punish some of the best teams for their difficult schedules while rewarding weaker teams in weaker conferences. I want to see the best teams in the tournament.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We need a NU thread


Probably smile But the topic has sparked some interesting side discussions about the broader sport. I think SOS matters. I think the rule that you must have at least a .500 record to get in prevents the truly mediocre from getting in when the reality is, the ONLY way a 9-7, 8-8 type team will get in is if they have an overwhelmingly tough schedule, have won some of those games (NU has beaten #6, #7, #13 and lost to #3 in OT). I think Laxpower rankings are a pretty source for a computer model that takes all of this into consideration. Those rankings have NU ranked 10th in the nation. While not perfect, that's a pretty good indication of why they should be considered for the tournament, if they finish .500 or better.

As to the 'weaker' schools ... the equivalent of mid-majors in basketball, that's why the conference winners get in. They have their chance as well. I really don't think lax is all that much different than any other NCAA sport in regards to dominant teams/conferences. It is just earlier in its growth curve. NU themselves were an unbelievable underdog once upon a time. USC looks to be one that might push the "establishment" next. The game is growing and I think we might all be surprised 10 years from now with the geographical diversity of strong programs and how that will continue to loosen the stranglehold on the top by a few programs.
I think, at this time .500 is too shallow a pool, .666 or 2/3 of your games is better.


Maybe. With so few truly strong conferences though, .500 seems better to me. The Virginia example cited earlier explains why. A team from the ACC, with a .500 record made it to the final 4. Right now, there are too few strong conferences, and w only 17 games, .666 would punish some of the best teams for their difficult schedules while rewarding weaker teams in weaker conferences. I want to see the best teams in the tournament.


Just as long as we don't have to see Northworstern.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There just isn't enough talent in D1. The top teams regardless of their record are miles ahead of teams in the middle and teams down around #70 to 110 have no business being in D1.

The sport needs to expand their pool of champions so the sport expands competitively
I believe the only way that was that will happen is to find a better way to disperse the top talent. By sending the same 10 teams into tournament every year you get a log jam of talent to those schools. There are girls sitting on the bench for up to 2 to 3 years that could make the mid to lower range teams much better, if they thought that a team like Winthrop could get a chance to go to tournament don't you think? But with the pressure to win tomorrow, and mommy and daddy wanting bragging rights about their kid playing for the best team, kids are running to these schools to sit on the bench, when they could be going to a different school and playing right away. If you think about it it's a total waste of talent. Good players only being used for practice that maybe get to see 100 minuets a year instead of playing 900 minuets. All so that we as parents can brag about The name on top of a degree, that quite frankly, after you get your first job, means much less.


Wow, talk about having a weird sense of priorities. You would like kids who have the opportunity to attend prestigious private schools like Duke, Northwestern, ND, the Ivies,etc., all elite academic institutions,..... or schools such as Maryland, Penn State, UNC, UVa, top state schools, who take no back seat when it comes to academics or alumni networks. to pass on those to attend Winthrop, or High Point, or Rutgers, or name any other D-I school with an above average lacrosse program.
And the reason is they might get more playing time?
I have news for you, the name on the degree does matter. It will help you get that first job, and that first job will be a better one because of that degree. And the alumni network will always be larger and more influential at those schools.

I'll tell you a story. I know a family who's oldest daughter went to an elite academic school, with an struggling lax program. She started all four years, loved her teammates and the school. Loved that she made an impact and the program returned to top 20.
Her sister was better, could have gone almost anywhere. She went to Maryland. Barely saw the field for two years. I asked her dad how was she handling the lack of PT? He said she is loving the team, loving the competition, loves being on the best team in the Nation and wouldn't change a thing. I asked her sister why she didn't follow in her footsteps and take what she had started up a notch? She said that her sister always wanted to play with the great teams at Maryland, and have an opportunity to win a National title. She was comfortable competing for time, and knew that the coaches would play the best players. If that was her great, if she was a sub she was fine with that also.

Yeah, would it be nice if great players didn't all go to the best schools with the best programs, sure. But there are plenty of reasons beyond playing time that should determine their choices. And the one that should not be a factor is that their Mom and Dad will struggle with the notion their little superstar is on the sideline, when they're used to seeing her on the field.
Maybe I am an Idiot. You make some very valid points and I am glad that girl was happy with her experience, but does that mean we should all travel that path? I was taught, and I taught my kids, to blaze ther own path, not to follow but to leed, I have had that very conversation with my daughters, but it was a little different. Yes you are correct all those schools have very strong alumni networks, that anyone would be smart to try to take advantage of. But let me lay out a hypothetical situation, let's say a girl really loves to compete, but also likes to try to build a legacy of her own. She reall want to play every minuet she can in competition not only on the practice field, but the playing field also, so she goes to a lower ranked school and loves her school and teammates just as much as the girl in your story, and dispite the odds she graduates and becomes successful, even though her school isn't as prestigious as an ivy or Notre Dame, and she decides to help other girls from her alma mater succeed as she has, isn't that the way alumni networks happen, or should it only happen for the schools on your list? Do the alumni networks at every other school not count? Should we all follow you and your friend like sheep because it worked for you and it's safe?


Wow, sad.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There just isn't enough talent in D1. The top teams regardless of their record are miles ahead of teams in the middle and teams down around #70 to 110 have no business being in D1.

The sport needs to expand their pool of champions so the sport expands competitively
I believe the only way that was that will happen is to find a better way to disperse the top talent. By sending the same 10 teams into tournament every year you get a log jam of talent to those schools. There are girls sitting on the bench for up to 2 to 3 years that could make the mid to lower range teams much better, if they thought that a team like Winthrop could get a chance to go to tournament don't you think? But with the pressure to win tomorrow, and mommy and daddy wanting bragging rights about their kid playing for the best team, kids are running to these schools to sit on the bench, when they could be going to a different school and playing right away. If you think about it it's a total waste of talent. Good players only being used for practice that maybe get to see 100 minuets a year instead of playing 900 minuets. All so that we as parents can brag about The name on top of a degree, that quite frankly, after you get your first job, means much less.


Wow, talk about having a weird sense of priorities. You would like kids who have the opportunity to attend prestigious private schools like Duke, Northwestern, ND, the Ivies,etc., all elite academic institutions,..... or schools such as Maryland, Penn State, UNC, UVa, top state schools, who take no back seat when it comes to academics or alumni networks. to pass on those to attend Winthrop, or High Point, or Rutgers, or name any other D-I school with an above average lacrosse program.
And the reason is they might get more playing time?
I have news for you, the name on the degree does matter. It will help you get that first job, and that first job will be a better one because of that degree. And the alumni network will always be larger and more influential at those schools.

I'll tell you a story. I know a family who's oldest daughter went to an elite academic school, with an struggling lax program. She started all four years, loved her teammates and the school. Loved that she made an impact and the program returned to top 20.
Her sister was better, could have gone almost anywhere. She went to Maryland. Barely saw the field for two years. I asked her dad how was she handling the lack of PT? He said she is loving the team, loving the competition, loves being on the best team in the Nation and wouldn't change a thing. I asked her sister why she didn't follow in her footsteps and take what she had started up a notch? She said that her sister always wanted to play with the great teams at Maryland, and have an opportunity to win a National title. She was comfortable competing for time, and knew that the coaches would play the best players. If that was her great, if she was a sub she was fine with that also.

Yeah, would it be nice if great players didn't all go to the best schools with the best programs, sure. But there are plenty of reasons beyond playing time that should determine their choices. And the one that should not be a factor is that their Mom and Dad will struggle with the notion their little superstar is on the sideline, when they're used to seeing her on the field.
Maybe I am an Idiot. You make some very valid points and I am glad that girl was happy with her experience, but does that mean we should all travel that path? I was taught, and I taught my kids, to blaze ther own path, not to follow but to leed, I have had that very conversation with my daughters, but it was a little different. Yes you are correct all those schools have very strong alumni networks, that anyone would be smart to try to take advantage of. But let me lay out a hypothetical situation, let's say a girl really loves to compete, but also likes to try to build a legacy of her own. She reall want to play every minuet she can in competition not only on the practice field, but the playing field also, so she goes to a lower ranked school and loves her school and teammates just as much as the girl in your story, and dispite the odds she graduates and becomes successful, even though her school isn't as prestigious as an ivy or Notre Dame, and she decides to help other girls from her alma mater succeed as she has, isn't that the way alumni networks happen, or should it only happen for the schools on your list? Do the alumni networks at every other school not count? Should we all follow you and your friend like sheep because it worked for you and it's safe?


Wow, sad.
why sad?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There just isn't enough talent in D1. The top teams regardless of their record are miles ahead of teams in the middle and teams down around #70 to 110 have no business being in D1.

The sport needs to expand their pool of champions so the sport expands competitively
I believe the only way that was that will happen is to find a better way to disperse the top talent. By sending the same 10 teams into tournament every year you get a log jam of talent to those schools. There are girls sitting on the bench for up to 2 to 3 years that could make the mid to lower range teams much better, if they thought that a team like Winthrop could get a chance to go to tournament don't you think? But with the pressure to win tomorrow, and mommy and daddy wanting bragging rights about their kid playing for the best team, kids are running to these schools to sit on the bench, when they could be going to a different school and playing right away. If you think about it it's a total waste of talent. Good players only being used for practice that maybe get to see 100 minuets a year instead of playing 900 minuets. All so that we as parents can brag about The name on top of a degree, that quite frankly, after you get your first job, means much less.


Wow, talk about having a weird sense of priorities. You would like kids who have the opportunity to attend prestigious private schools like Duke, Northwestern, ND, the Ivies,etc., all elite academic institutions,..... or schools such as Maryland, Penn State, UNC, UVa, top state schools, who take no back seat when it comes to academics or alumni networks. to pass on those to attend Winthrop, or High Point, or Rutgers, or name any other D-I school with an above average lacrosse program.
And the reason is they might get more playing time?
I have news for you, the name on the degree does matter. It will help you get that first job, and that first job will be a better one because of that degree. And the alumni network will always be larger and more influential at those schools.

I'll tell you a story. I know a family who's oldest daughter went to an elite academic school, with an struggling lax program. She started all four years, loved her teammates and the school. Loved that she made an impact and the program returned to top 20.
Her sister was better, could have gone almost anywhere. She went to Maryland. Barely saw the field for two years. I asked her dad how was she handling the lack of PT? He said she is loving the team, loving the competition, loves being on the best team in the Nation and wouldn't change a thing. I asked her sister why she didn't follow in her footsteps and take what she had started up a notch? She said that her sister always wanted to play with the great teams at Maryland, and have an opportunity to win a National title. She was comfortable competing for time, and knew that the coaches would play the best players. If that was her great, if she was a sub she was fine with that also.

Yeah, would it be nice if great players didn't all go to the best schools with the best programs, sure. But there are plenty of reasons beyond playing time that should determine their choices. And the one that should not be a factor is that their Mom and Dad will struggle with the notion their little superstar is on the sideline, when they're used to seeing her on the field.
Maybe I am an Idiot. You make some very valid points and I am glad that girl was happy with her experience, but does that mean we should all travel that path? I was taught, and I taught my kids, to blaze ther own path, not to follow but to leed, I have had that very conversation with my daughters, but it was a little different. Yes you are correct all those schools have very strong alumni networks, that anyone would be smart to try to take advantage of. But let me lay out a hypothetical situation, let's say a girl really loves to compete, but also likes to try to build a legacy of her own. She reall want to play every minuet she can in competition not only on the practice field, but the playing field also, so she goes to a lower ranked school and loves her school and teammates just as much as the girl in your story, and dispite the odds she graduates and becomes successful, even though her school isn't as prestigious as an ivy or Notre Dame, and she decides to help other girls from her alma mater succeed as she has, isn't that the way alumni networks happen, or should it only happen for the schools on your list? Do the alumni networks at every other school not count? Should we all follow you and your friend like sheep because it worked for you and it's safe?


Actually, you are reading things into my post that I never wrote, or implied. I never said one way is better than the other, all I was saying is there are different things motivating the players as they make their decisions. And there isn't a right or wrong choice, especially if it is to help out in the leveling of the competitive landscape of women's lacrosse.

And as to your sarcastic crack about "following me", well I have news for you, my daughter made her own decision. In fact she turned down 4 Ivies, that I encouraged her to accept, and a few other name lax factories. She chose the school where, in the above stories she played with one of those girls.... not the National Champion but the older sister. And my kid made an impact, and represented that school well, and is now an active alum. So yeah, I have no problem if kids follow her example....just don't assume to know which route she took.

Would I prefer that she have a Yale/UPenn/Cornell degree.....perhaps. Am I happy for the unbelievable lacrosse career and academic education she received....absolutely. She made her decisions, made the most of the opportunities she earned and most important is the fact that she has zero regrets.

And BTW, 5 years out of school....game fully employed and still playing lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There just isn't enough talent in D1. The top teams regardless of their record are miles ahead of teams in the middle and teams down around #70 to 110 have no business being in D1.

The sport needs to expand their pool of champions so the sport expands competitively
I believe the only way that was that will happen is to find a better way to disperse the top talent. By sending the same 10 teams into tournament every year you get a log jam of talent to those schools. There are girls sitting on the bench for up to 2 to 3 years that could make the mid to lower range teams much better, if they thought that a team like Winthrop could get a chance to go to tournament don't you think? But with the pressure to win tomorrow, and mommy and daddy wanting bragging rights about their kid playing for the best team, kids are running to these schools to sit on the bench, when they could be going to a different school and playing right away. If you think about it it's a total waste of talent. Good players only being used for practice that maybe get to see 100 minuets a year instead of playing 900 minuets. All so that we as parents can brag about The name on top of a degree, that quite frankly, after you get your first job, means much less.


Wow, talk about having a weird sense of priorities. You would like kids who have the opportunity to attend prestigious private schools like Duke, Northwestern, ND, the Ivies,etc., all elite academic institutions,..... or schools such as Maryland, Penn State, UNC, UVa, top state schools, who take no back seat when it comes to academics or alumni networks. to pass on those to attend Winthrop, or High Point, or Rutgers, or name any other D-I school with an above average lacrosse program.
And the reason is they might get more playing time?
I have news for you, the name on the degree does matter. It will help you get that first job, and that first job will be a better one because of that degree. And the alumni network will always be larger and more influential at those schools.

I'll tell you a story. I know a family who's oldest daughter went to an elite academic school, with an struggling lax program. She started all four years, loved her teammates and the school. Loved that she made an impact and the program returned to top 20.
Her sister was better, could have gone almost anywhere. She went to Maryland. Barely saw the field for two years. I asked her dad how was she handling the lack of PT? He said she is loving the team, loving the competition, loves being on the best team in the Nation and wouldn't change a thing. I asked her sister why she didn't follow in her footsteps and take what she had started up a notch? She said that her sister always wanted to play with the great teams at Maryland, and have an opportunity to win a National title. She was comfortable competing for time, and knew that the coaches would play the best players. If that was her great, if she was a sub she was fine with that also.

Yeah, would it be nice if great players didn't all go to the best schools with the best programs, sure. But there are plenty of reasons beyond playing time that should determine their choices. And the one that should not be a factor is that their Mom and Dad will struggle with the notion their little superstar is on the sideline, when they're used to seeing her on the field.
Maybe I am an Idiot. You make some very valid points and I am glad that girl was happy with her experience, but does that mean we should all travel that path? I was taught, and I taught my kids, to blaze ther own path, not to follow but to leed, I have had that very conversation with my daughters, but it was a little different. Yes you are correct all those schools have very strong alumni networks, that anyone would be smart to try to take advantage of. But let me lay out a hypothetical situation, let's say a girl really loves to compete, but also likes to try to build a legacy of her own. She reall want to play every minuet she can in competition not only on the practice field, but the playing field also, so she goes to a lower ranked school and loves her school and teammates just as much as the girl in your story, and dispite the odds she graduates and becomes successful, even though her school isn't as prestigious as an ivy or Notre Dame, and she decides to help other girls from her alma mater succeed as she has, isn't that the way alumni networks happen, or should it only happen for the schools on your list? Do the alumni networks at every other school not count? Should we all follow you and your friend like sheep because it worked for you and it's safe?


Wow, sad.
why sad?

same NU pot stirrer ... ignore him.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There just isn't enough talent in D1. The top teams regardless of their record are miles ahead of teams in the middle and teams down around #70 to 110 have no business being in D1.

The sport needs to expand their pool of champions so the sport expands competitively
I believe the only way that was that will happen is to find a better way to disperse the top talent. By sending the same 10 teams into tournament every year you get a log jam of talent to those schools. There are girls sitting on the bench for up to 2 to 3 years that could make the mid to lower range teams much better, if they thought that a team like Winthrop could get a chance to go to tournament don't you think? But with the pressure to win tomorrow, and mommy and daddy wanting bragging rights about their kid playing for the best team, kids are running to these schools to sit on the bench, when they could be going to a different school and playing right away. If you think about it it's a total waste of talent. Good players only being used for practice that maybe get to see 100 minuets a year instead of playing 900 minuets. All so that we as parents can brag about The name on top of a degree, that quite frankly, after you get your first job, means much less.


Wow, talk about having a weird sense of priorities. You would like kids who have the opportunity to attend prestigious private schools like Duke, Northwestern, ND, the Ivies,etc., all elite academic institutions,..... or schools such as Maryland, Penn State, UNC, UVa, top state schools, who take no back seat when it comes to academics or alumni networks. to pass on those to attend Winthrop, or High Point, or Rutgers, or name any other D-I school with an above average lacrosse program.
And the reason is they might get more playing time?
I have news for you, the name on the degree does matter. It will help you get that first job, and that first job will be a better one because of that degree. And the alumni network will always be larger and more influential at those schools.

I'll tell you a story. I know a family who's oldest daughter went to an elite academic school, with an struggling lax program. She started all four years, loved her teammates and the school. Loved that she made an impact and the program returned to top 20.
Her sister was better, could have gone almost anywhere. She went to Maryland. Barely saw the field for two years. I asked her dad how was she handling the lack of PT? He said she is loving the team, loving the competition, loves being on the best team in the Nation and wouldn't change a thing. I asked her sister why she didn't follow in her footsteps and take what she had started up a notch? She said that her sister always wanted to play with the great teams at Maryland, and have an opportunity to win a National title. She was comfortable competing for time, and knew that the coaches would play the best players. If that was her great, if she was a sub she was fine with that also.

Yeah, would it be nice if great players didn't all go to the best schools with the best programs, sure. But there are plenty of reasons beyond playing time that should determine their choices. And the one that should not be a factor is that their Mom and Dad will struggle with the notion their little superstar is on the sideline, when they're used to seeing her on the field.
Maybe I am an Idiot. You make some very valid points and I am glad that girl was happy with her experience, but does that mean we should all travel that path? I was taught, and I taught my kids, to blaze ther own path, not to follow but to leed, I have had that very conversation with my daughters, but it was a little different. Yes you are correct all those schools have very strong alumni networks, that anyone would be smart to try to take advantage of. But let me lay out a hypothetical situation, let's say a girl really loves to compete, but also likes to try to build a legacy of her own. She reall want to play every minuet she can in competition not only on the practice field, but the playing field also, so she goes to a lower ranked school and loves her school and teammates just as much as the girl in your story, and dispite the odds she graduates and becomes successful, even though her school isn't as prestigious as an ivy or Notre Dame, and she decides to help other girls from her alma mater succeed as she has, isn't that the way alumni networks happen, or should it only happen for the schools on your list? Do the alumni networks at every other school not count? Should we all follow you and your friend like sheep because it worked for you and it's safe?


Actually, you are reading things into my post that I never wrote, or implied. I never said one way is better than the other, all I was saying is there are different things motivating the players as they make their decisions. And there isn't a right or wrong choice, especially if it is to help out in the leveling of the competitive landscape of women's lacrosse.

And as to your sarcastic crack about "following me", well I have news for you, my daughter made her own decision. In fact she turned down 4 Ivies, that I encouraged her to accept, and a few other name lax factories. She chose the school where, in the above stories she played with one of those girls.... not the National Champion but the older sister. And my kid made an impact, and represented that school well, and is now an active alum. So yeah, I have no problem if kids follow her example....just don't assume to know which route she took.

Would I prefer that she have a Yale/UPenn/Cornell degree.....perhaps. Am I happy for the unbelievable lacrosse career and academic education she received....absolutely. She made her decisions, made the most of the opportunities she earned and most important is the fact that she has zero regrets.

And BTW, 5 years out of school....game fully employed and still playing lacrosse.

please believe that I meant no sarcastic intention. I am glad your daughter is doing well and still playing.... Really... Good for her
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heres a question I am throwing out to everyone what is considered verbalabusse these days in the NCAA when it comes to womens lacrosse coaches. Also, can you say that a coach is physically abuseing girls when she is not feeding them on road trips. What would you consider mental abuse.


Please name the university so we can steer clear during the recruiting process.


well judging by the NU girls we can scratch them off the list of suspects.

So many schools you can scratch off during the recruiting process. Do not be fooled by the smile and the sales pitch..have your daughter reach out to seniors or past graduates from the program. I am so glad we did that before making our decision. The past players and seniors had no problem discussing their true experience on the field with several coaches!!!
Let's go Buckeyes!
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Let's go Buckeyes!


Must have a compensation issue.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's go Buckeyes!


Must have a compensation issue.


No one is paying me. It's a lack of compensation issue!
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Let's go Buckeyes!


Buckeyes just got run off the field
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's go Buckeyes!


Buckeyes just got run off the field


Preach Brother
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's go Buckeyes!


Buckeyes just got run off the field


Preach Brother


Whew, they best team ranked below them in a game that was tied in the 2nd half. OSU was worn down and collapsed, but this shows clearly what a limited squad NU is. A fringe tournament team at best that shouldn't even get that shot.
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Originally Posted by MKVELE
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Originally Posted by MKVELE
I hate to tell you that I'm not the person spewing the venom against N.U. But you have to admit I was right. Since you want to attack my daughter let's talk about her, not her team. She is top half for her position, top 20% for all freshman,and top 1/3 for all players on impact ratings, all this as you stated on a losing team while still studying for one of the forbidden majors. How's your kid doing because I'm pretty happy with my daughters progress so far.


You are a certified nut job and nobody attacked your daughter. Not sure what your beef is with NU but it's really getting ridiculous. Glad to hear your daughter is doing well.
I don't know what your problem is with me, I don't really have one with N.U. Other than I think there not doing well and are getting by on reputation alone. Like I said you should admit that I was right. There last game will be a day g fight in Ohio, if they lose no tourney for them.


If, and it is an "if", they destroy Ohio State at OSU, the #18 team in the country, will you post on here that maybe you were wrong? How r they "getting by on rep alone"? You have been shown the schedule. They have played 11 of the top 14 teams ranked ahead of them. They r 3-8 against them. Not to their standards no question, but if anything ought to rank them higher than 15, not lower. And have beaten all 4 teams behind them in the rankings/out of rankings. They are actually getting penalized for the schedule they chose to play. If they beat OSU, they r into the tournament likely. And should be. I'm sure though the people that agree with you most, honestly, are the players and coaches at NU. My guess is they are nowhere near satisfied with their record.


New to the discussion, but two things - Ohio St hasn't played much of a schedule at all and NU should easily beat them. All the teams that are ranked ahead of NU weren't always until NU lost to them


As predicted NU lit up ohio st - can't see how or why Ohio st is in the top 20, they have zero quality wins and several bad losses. BC and Loyola will pass them in the final rankings - towson and or Hopkins should slip from top 20 as well
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by MKVELE
I hate to tell you that I'm not the person spewing the venom against N.U. But you have to admit I was right. Since you want to attack my daughter let's talk about her, not her team. She is top half for her position, top 20% for all freshman,and top 1/3 for all players on impact ratings, all this as you stated on a losing team while still studying for one of the forbidden majors. How's your kid doing because I'm pretty happy with my daughters progress so far.


You are a certified nut job and nobody attacked your daughter. Not sure what your beef is with NU but it's really getting ridiculous. Glad to hear your daughter is doing well.
I don't know what your problem is with me, I don't really have one with N.U. Other than I think there not doing well and are getting by on reputation alone. Like I said you should admit that I was right. There last game will be a day g fight in Ohio, if they lose no tourney for them.


If, and it is an "if", they destroy Ohio State at OSU, the #18 team in the country, will you post on here that maybe you were wrong? How r they "getting by on rep alone"? You have been shown the schedule. They have played 11 of the top 14 teams ranked ahead of them. They r 3-8 against them. Not to their standards no question, but if anything ought to rank them higher than 15, not lower. And have beaten all 4 teams behind them in the rankings/out of rankings. They are actually getting penalized for the schedule they chose to play. If they beat OSU, they r into the tournament likely. And should be. I'm sure though the people that agree with you most, honestly, are the players and coaches at NU. My guess is they are nowhere near satisfied with their record.


New to the discussion, but two things - Ohio St hasn't played much of a schedule at all and NU should easily beat them. All the teams that are ranked ahead of NU weren't always until NU lost to them


As predicted NU lit up ohio st - can't see how or why Ohio st is in the top 20, they have zero quality wins and several bad losses. BC and Loyola will pass them in the final rankings - towson and or Hopkins should slip from top 20 as well


As predicted? You must be Nostradamus, what a leap to predict that.

As predicted NU lit up ohio st - can't see how or why Ohio st is in the top 20, they have zero quality wins and several bad losses. BC and Loyola will pass them in the final rankings - towson and or Hopkins should slip from top 20 as well [/quote]

As predicted? You must be Nostradamus, what a leap to predict that.[/quote]

So now you think they r good. Got it. Should easily take care of a top 20 team, got it.

Which is it moron? As predicted, NU is an #8-12 team in the country. Said it a month ago, still holds true today. Not a team many would like to see in the tournament. Having said that, they are likely not a final 8 team this year. If they get there, would consider it a success at this point, and certainly would continue to make you look like an idiot.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

As predicted NU lit up ohio st - can't see how or why Ohio st is in the top 20, they have zero quality wins and several bad losses. BC and Loyola will pass them in the final rankings - towson and or Hopkins should slip from top 20 as well


As predicted? You must be Nostradamus, what a leap to predict that.[/quote]

So now you think they r good. Got it. Should easily take care of a top 20 team, got it.

Which is it moron? As predicted, NU is an #8-12 team in the country. Said it a month ago, still holds true today. Not a team many would like to see in the tournament. Having said that, they are likely not a final 8 team this year. If they get there, would consider it a success at this point, and certainly would continue to make you look like an idiot. [/quote

Look moron, we all knew they would beat another over rated Ohio State team, even if we were rooting against it (and you). The question here is how you think beating a team ranked behind them in the poll means anything. And when they tied the score in the 2nd half, I would have just loved to see your face get redder by the second. Their best player took over and that team is just not very good. And certainly not top 10 as you continue to try to convince us. 8 to 12 nope. And I see you are no longer trying to put them as one of the top teams in the NCAA. You've lowered the bar now, we can all see it, will they even get to your lowered target?
Do we need a tournament this year? Can anyone top Maryland? This will be a boring bad end for the sport if this happens, again.
It's Maryland's tournament to lose. They've beaten everyone they've played, fairly comfortably, and are the clear favorites. They have depth, talent, speed, IQ, coaching, etc...
Another Maryland championship!
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It's Maryland's tournament to lose. They've beaten everyone they've played, fairly comfortably, and are the clear favorites. They have depth, talent, speed, IQ, coaching, etc...
Another Maryland championship!


And importantly have remained healthy. Always a key. They have had no injuries to major players.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do we need a tournament this year? Can anyone top Maryland? This will be a boring bad end for the sport if this happens, again.


Thank god for the Northwestern near decade of dominance, otherwise it would have been two decades of Maryland.
Great game today for the ACC title. Shame it had to come down to the refs being involved. Stick checks shouldn't be look at the stick until you find something wrong with it. Players stick was ruled legal but then they looked at it again until they found something. Referee shouldn't have a card to refer to so she can figure out if a stick is illegal. Rules are a joke.
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Stony Brook going to put a beat down on Hofstra tonight.
10 more points for Murph


In what was a lopsided PAL game! The fact that SB tried to get a goal for every senior, including defenders was an indication of how overmatched Hofstra was, SB played with them the entire second half - embarrassing to watch if you're a Hofstra fan


Do spallina and smith have the same time coaching each team?


You really think that's the big difference?


One coach makes adjustments at halftime and one doesn't! Several times Hofstra tied or close at half and get blown out in the second half - that's ALL coaching. or lack thereof. Thankfully the season is over, good luck to those stuck there next year
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do we need a tournament this year? Can anyone top Maryland? This will be a boring bad end for the sport if this happens, again.


Thank god for the Northwestern near decade of dominance, otherwise it would have been two decades of Maryland.


SPORT NEEDS NEW AND MORE WINNERS. America doesn't care about a sport that only has ever had 4 or 5 winners over the last 3 decades. Here is hoping for a monster upset
PM from Adelphi will be Hofstra coach next year.
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PM from Adelphi will be Hofstra coach next year.


Too soon to leave for Pat, if he jumps now, he will look like he is too much of an opportunist. He has to hope she lasts another year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do we need a tournament this year? Can anyone top Maryland? This will be a boring bad end for the sport if this happens, again.


Thank god for the Northwestern near decade of dominance, otherwise it would have been two decades of Maryland.


SPORT NEEDS NEW AND MORE WINNERS. America doesn't care about a sport that only has ever had 4 or 5 winners over the last 3 decades. Here is hoping for a monster upset


an upset would help. and the game is hard to watch. too many players crowded below the 30 yard restraining line, too much crosschecking and one on one play. ugly to watch most of the time.
Remember PM is an ICON
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Remember PM is an ICON


Only thing is that he has the press clippings to prove it.
Yup, that seems to be the chatter but what about the fact that SS just got contract renewal? What happens to that, does she get paid either way?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yup, that seems to be the chatter but what about the fact that SS just got contract renewal? What happens to that, does she get paid either way?


SS isn't going anywhere. Program doesn't bring in any money so they don't have to pay her much. Firing her now would mean paying two coaches instead of one. As for halftime adjustments, how about just getting the girls out on the field with enough time to warm up for 2nd half. Came out against Elon with 30 seconds before start of 2nd half and proceeded to give up 5 goals in 4 minutes. Game was over before they even broke a sweat.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yup, that seems to be the chatter but what about the fact that SS just got contract renewal? What happens to that, does she get paid either way?


SS isn't going anywhere. Program doesn't bring in any money so they don't have to pay her much. Firing her now would mean paying two coaches instead of one. As for halftime adjustments, how about just getting the girls out on the field with enough time to warm up for 2nd half. Came out against Elon with 30 seconds before start of 2nd half and proceeded to give up 5 goals in 4 minutes. Game was over before they even broke a sweat.


They have their full complement of scholarships and their average attendance is 275. They are losing their shirts like most fully funded mid level programs. No way they fire SS and eat the contract so their team could jump up from #78 to #35? Isn't meaningful enough to make the change. Now PM at the end of SS new contract could happen. PM isn't leaving LI so he will still be local at that time. Plus the pipeline of absolute studs will continue to Adelphi so he will continue to pad his resume accomplishments which is already 5 pages long
When Hofstra is much closer to LIU Brooklyn than LI Stony Brook in the rankings there is a huge problem over in Hempstead
IWLCA Poll for Division I, May 2
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 17-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 16-1 367 2
3 North Carolina 16-2 366 3
4 Syracuse 16-5 339 4
5 Southern California 19-0 325 5
6 Notre Dame 13-6 293 6
7 Stony Brook 14-3 276 7
8 Louisville 12-5 232 8
9 Stanford 14-4 223 9
10 Penn State 11-5 199 11
11 Duke 10-8 187 13
12 Penn 12-3 180 14
13 Princeton 11-4 179 12
14 Virginia 9-8 155 10
15 Northwestern 8-8 132 15
16 Massachusetts 16-1 79 16
17 Boston College 10-8 77 16
18 Cornell 11-4 68 18
19 Towson 13-3 40 20
19 Ohio State 11-5 40 19
IWLCA Poll for Division II, May 2
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 16-0 400 20 1
2 Le Moyne 15-1 378 2
3 Florida Southern 16-3 360 3
4 Lindenwood 14-2 340 4
5 LIU Post 14-3 315 5
6 West Chester 16-1 291 7
7 Rollins 14-3 289 6
8 Mercyhurst 15-2 262 8
9 Dowling 15-2 223 10
10 Grand Valley State 13-4 214 11
11 Indiana (PA) 13-5 187 12
12 New Haven 12-5 184 9
13 Bentley 12-5 150 17
14 Queens 17-2 144 15
15 Lock Haven 14-4 113 14
16 Limestone 15-4 110 13
17 Regis (CO) 14-2 93 16
18 East Stroudsburg 12-5 58 18
19 Mount Olive 13-6 44 19
20 Stonehill 9-8 12 20
IWLCA Poll for Division III, May 2
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Cortland 16-0 400 20 1
2 College of NJ 16-1 375 2
3 Salisbury 16-2 348 3
4 Franklin & Marshall 17-1 346 4
5 Gettysburg 14-2 316 5
6 Middlebury 15-1 305 6
7 Trinity (CT) 14-2 289 7
8 Amherst 12-3 258 8
9 Bates 12-4 232 10
10 Colby 12-4 217 10
11 St. Mary's (MD) 16-3 185 13
12 Hamilton 10-6 169 12
13 [lacrosse] 12-6 146 14
14 Brockport 13-2 144 9
15 Tufts 9-7 110 16
16 Mary Washington 14-4 107 15
17 Messiah 12-5 102 17
18 Christopher Newport 11-5 41 18
19 Ithaca 12-4 32 NR
20 Union 11-4 22 20
What? No movement up for NG? It's do or die for them right now. 8-9 is out. It's a one game playoff for them.
Just give Maryland the trophy YAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWNNNNNN
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Just give Maryland the trophy YAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWNNNNNN


You don't watch a lot of NCAA women's lacrosse
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What? No movement up for NG? It's do or die for them right now. 8-9 is out. It's a one game playoff for them.



Uhhhhhhh......NW???
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just give Maryland the trophy YAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWNNNNNN


You don't watch a lot of NCAA women's lacrosse


Please, been watching for 20 years
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What? No movement up for NG? It's do or die for them right now. 8-9 is out. It's a one game playoff for them.



Uhhhhhhh......NW???


Actually NU ... he is just bitter that his girl couldn't get into or play at such a great place. He thinks he's funny, but he's not.

And the Old Bitty Poll does not know how to handle things like SOS and RPI very well. Hard for their brains to process it all (impossible for little bitter guy). Laxpower does though, and has NU ranked 8th. That ranking even includes the Old Bitty Poll as an input.

Pretty accurate now that the whole regular season has been played.

Someone has a chance to knock Maryland off in the NCAAs. It will be someone who plays great D and has a great goalie if it's going to happen. Don't believe anyone can out gun them in a shootout. Maybe a UNC or even upstart USC has a chance. Not a great one, but a chance.
It will not be fifteenth ranked Northworstern, that's for sure!
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It will not be fifteenth ranked Northworstern, that's for sure!


May get a chance to see it this weekend.... Preview of possible Final Four match up. Never say never.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will not be fifteenth ranked Northworstern, that's for sure!


What's your point? You got a team not named Maryland that you think can win?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will not be fifteenth ranked Northworstern, that's for sure!


May get a chance to see it this weekend.... Preview of possible Final Four match up. Never say never.


Never
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What? No movement up for NG? It's do or die for them right now. 8-9 is out. It's a one game playoff for them.



Uhhhhhhh......NW???


Actually NU ... he is just bitter that his girl couldn't get into or play at such a great place. He thinks he's funny, but he's not.

And the Old Bitty Poll does not know how to handle things like SOS and RPI very well. Hard for their brains to process it all (impossible for little bitter guy). Laxpower does though, and has NU ranked 8th. That ranking even includes the Old Bitty Poll as an input.

Pretty accurate now that the whole regular season has been played.

Someone has a chance to knock Maryland off in the NCAAs. It will be someone who plays great D and has a great goalie if it's going to happen. Don't believe anyone can out gun them in a shootout. Maybe a UNC or even upstart USC has a chance. Not a great one, but a chance.
You do realize not everyone thinks N.U is as wonderful as you do. You come across as an arrogant [lacrosse]. Just out of curiosity, did you go to N.U. ?
Hey anti NW guy , give it a break. I am not a NW fan but it's obvious you have an obsession and it most likely is a result of some perceived wrong that happened to your kid . Maybe they rejected her or maybe some kid that goes there was always favored over your kid , who knows but give it a rest , it's just pathetic and sad.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey anti NW guy , give it a break. I am not a NW fan but it's obvious you have an obsession and it most likely is a result of some perceived wrong that happened to your kid . Maybe they rejected her or maybe some kid that goes there was always favored over your kid , who knows but give it a rest , it's just pathetic and sad.
If this is in reply to the post just before it , I'm a different person than the one you're sparing with, N.U. Is a good school, but it's not for everyone. It must be hard for you it imagine, but some kids don't want to go there. I'm glad your daughter got into the school of your dreams, but you coming on here and saying anyone that didn't choose N.U. Was slighted or not smart enough to get in makes you look like an unbelievable tool. Let's face it , there team did not perform well this year. You never answered the question, did you go to N.U. or are you just living your dream through your kid.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey anti NW guy , give it a break. I am not a NW fan but it's obvious you have an obsession and it most likely is a result of some perceived wrong that happened to your kid . Maybe they rejected her or maybe some kid that goes there was always favored over your kid , who knows but give it a rest , it's just pathetic and sad.


Your clinging to the coat tails of a formerly successful program in the face of a poor season as if you were actually a participant is what is pathetic and sad. Let's hope one and done puts you out of your misery.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey anti NW guy , give it a break. I am not a NW fan but it's obvious you have an obsession and it most likely is a result of some perceived wrong that happened to your kid . Maybe they rejected her or maybe some kid that goes there was always favored over your kid , who knows but give it a rest , it's just pathetic and sad.
If this is in reply to the post just before it , I'm a different person than the one you're sparing with, N.U. Is a good school, but it's not for everyone. It must be hard for you it imagine, but some kids don't want to go there. I'm glad your daughter got into the school of your dreams, but you coming on here and saying anyone that didn't choose N.U. Was slighted or not smart enough to get in makes you look like an unbelievable tool. Let's face it , there team did not perform well this year. You never answered the question, did you go to N.U. or are you just living your dream through your kid.


There are several different people on here on both sides. Their team didn't perform up to their own standards for sure. Those standards are very high. But they are a good team. This is a women's college lacrosse forum. Why don't you try putting forth a topic or argument about something more relevant than calling people tools. You sound like one when you do that.

What team do you think has a chance to knock off Maryland?
What do you think about the rule changes implemented this year now that we have seen them for a full regular season?
What do you think of the shot clock as it is currently structured for next year?
Who should be coach of the year this year?
Where should there be coaching changes?
What do you think of the spread west and south of programs and how that will shape the future of college lacrosse?

Want some more?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey anti NW guy , give it a break. I am not a NW fan but it's obvious you have an obsession and it most likely is a result of some perceived wrong that happened to your kid . Maybe they rejected her or maybe some kid that goes there was always favored over your kid , who knows but give it a rest , it's just pathetic and sad.
If this is in reply to the post just before it , I'm a different person than the one you're sparing with, N.U. Is a good school, but it's not for everyone. It must be hard for you it imagine, but some kids don't want to go there. I'm glad your daughter got into the school of your dreams, but you coming on here and saying anyone that didn't choose N.U. Was slighted or not smart enough to get in makes you look like an unbelievable tool. Let's face it , there team did not perform well this year. You never answered the question, did you go to N.U. or are you just living your dream through your kid.


There are several different people on here on both sides. Their team didn't perform up to their own standards for sure. Those standards are very high. But they are a good team. This is a women's college lacrosse forum. Why don't you try putting forth a topic or argument about something more relevant than calling people tools. You sound like one when you do that.

What team do you think has a chance to knock off Maryland?
What do you think about the rule changes implemented this year now that we have seen them for a full regular season?
What do you think of the shot clock as it is currently structured for next year?
Who should be coach of the year this year?
Where should there be coaching changes?
What do you think of the spread west and south of programs and how that will shape the future of college lacrosse?

Want some more?


What do you think about the rule changes implemented this year now that we have seen them for a full regular season?

Like being able to kick the ball.

Like the quick restart, but think you should be able to do it in your own defensive critical scoring area.

Don't like the 3-second rule being essentially eliminated by making it a minor foul. Too many teams packing it in with very little consequences. Just have to look locally at SB. It's boring and rewards poor defense.
Cue the dumb guy w:

Coaching changes: NW Amonte-Hiller

Knock off Maryland: Not NG hahaha ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey anti NW guy , give it a break. I am not a NW fan but it's obvious you have an obsession and it most likely is a result of some perceived wrong that happened to your kid . Maybe they rejected her or maybe some kid that goes there was always favored over your kid , who knows but give it a rest , it's just pathetic and sad.
If this is in reply to the post just before it , I'm a different person than the one you're sparing with, N.U. Is a good school, but it's not for everyone. It must be hard for you it imagine, but some kids don't want to go there. I'm glad your daughter got into the school of your dreams, but you coming on here and saying anyone that didn't choose N.U. Was slighted or not smart enough to get in makes you look like an unbelievable tool. Let's face it , there team did not perform well this year. You never answered the question, did you go to N.U. or are you just living your dream through your kid.


There are several different people on here on both sides. Their team didn't perform up to their own standards for sure. Those standards are very high. But they are a good team. This is a women's college lacrosse forum. Why don't you try putting forth a topic or argument about something more relevant than calling people tools. You sound like one when you do that.

What team do you think has a chance to knock off Maryland?
What do you think about the rule changes implemented this year now that we have seen them for a full regular season?
What do you think of the shot clock as it is currently structured for next year?
Who should be coach of the year this year?
Where should there be coaching changes?
What do you think of the spread west and south of programs and how that will shape the future of college lacrosse?

Want some more?
1 no one will beat MD. 2 don't like the fast restart, they should go to the men's format of everyone can move on the dead ball whistle, ball restarts on refs whistle. 3 can't really give an opinion on shot clock but hope it works, will definitely fix some of the stall issue . Cathy Reese until someone can beat her. 5 at many schools. Some coaches are no longer producing as they once did. Say spread of the game is good but still need to disperse top talent evenly. And here is one for you, don't you think only the 3 woman on the draw circle should be able to be between the restraining lines until there is possession gained by one of them or until the ball crosses the line. It's a mess on the draw hard to watch with too many Ricky dink fouls determining possession, especially in critical situations
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey anti NW guy , give it a break. I am not a NW fan but it's obvious you have an obsession and it most likely is a result of some perceived wrong that happened to your kid . Maybe they rejected her or maybe some kid that goes there was always favored over your kid , who knows but give it a rest , it's just pathetic and sad.
If this is in reply to the post just before it , I'm a different person than the one you're sparing with, N.U. Is a good school, but it's not for everyone. It must be hard for you it imagine, but some kids don't want to go there. I'm glad your daughter got into the school of your dreams, but you coming on here and saying anyone that didn't choose N.U. Was slighted or not smart enough to get in makes you look like an unbelievable tool. Let's face it , there team did not perform well this year. You never answered the question, did you go to N.U. or are you just living your dream through your kid.


There are several different people on here on both sides. Their team didn't perform up to their own standards for sure. Those standards are very high. But they are a good team. This is a women's college lacrosse forum. Why don't you try putting forth a topic or argument about something more relevant than calling people tools. You sound like one when you do that.

What team do you think has a chance to knock off Maryland?
What do you think about the rule changes implemented this year now that we have seen them for a full regular season?
What do you think of the shot clock as it is currently structured for next year?
Who should be coach of the year this year?
Where should there be coaching changes?
What do you think of the spread west and south of programs and how that will shape the future of college lacrosse?

Want some more?
1 no one will beat MD. 2 don't like the fast restart, they should go to the men's format of everyone can move on the dead ball whistle, ball restarts on refs whistle. 3 can't really give an opinion on shot clock but hope it works, will definitely fix some of the stall issue . Cathy Reese until someone can beat her. 5 at many schools. Some coaches are no longer producing as they once did. Say spread of the game is good but still need to disperse top talent evenly. And here is one for you, don't you think only the 3 woman on the draw circle should be able to be between the restraining lines until there is possession gained by one of them or until the ball crosses the line. It's a mess on the draw hard to watch with too many Ricky dink fouls determining possession, especially in critical situations


totally agree w possession before restraining lines released.

They have eliminated some of the rinky dink fouls with no more empty checks but no question the draw circle becomes a mess.

I was thinking COY Munday. Or even Jessie Morgan at George Mason. Off the radar a little but has turned around that program very quickly. Reese is an obvious choice I guess, but you probably could coach that team and win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cue the dumb guy w:

Coaching changes: NW Amonte-Hiller

Knock off Maryland: Not NG hahaha ...



Thanks for saving me this post.
Could not be better the preliminary bracket has the NW hating morons dream game . Good luck to the hater but I think NW will prove just what a moron he is. Strength of schedule has to matter and the committee has to try to put the best teams into the tournament taking , record, strength of schedule and other factors into account.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Could not be better the preliminary bracket has the NW hating morons dream game . Good luck to the hater but I think NW will prove just what a moron he is. Strength of schedule has to matter and the committee has to try to put the best teams into the tournament taking , record, strength of schedule and other factors into account.


Confused. What preliminary bracket?

They are certainly in now though with the win over Michigan. They are assured of a .500 or better record. Ohio State is definitely out now with their second loss to Rutgers. Congrats to an improving Rutgers team. Unfortunately they now get Maryland in the B1G tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Could not be better the preliminary bracket has the NW hating morons dream game . Good luck to the hater but I think NW will prove just what a moron he is. Strength of schedule has to matter and the committee has to try to put the best teams into the tournament taking , record, strength of schedule and other factors into account.
you truly are pathetic. Every tries to move on but you will not stop. Even if they win that game, they're out next round
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Could not be better the preliminary bracket has the NW hating morons dream game . Good luck to the hater but I think NW will prove just what a moron he is. Strength of schedule has to matter and the committee has to try to put the best teams into the tournament taking , record, strength of schedule and other factors into account.
you truly are pathetic. Every tries to move on but you will not stop. Even if they win that game, they're out next round


What is truly pathetic is the fact that you are saying everyone is trying to move on while addressing the topic and you do not see how truly moronic that is. You go on to further show your ignorance by saying they have no chance at winning their second round game, personally I hope they lose but that game can go either way. Have no allegiance to NW but will defend any group of girls that work as hard as they do against idiotic comments from you.
Can we get a separate NW thread so these guys can move on and the rest of everybody can talk about a very exciting time of year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Could not be better the preliminary bracket has the NW hating morons dream game . Good luck to the hater but I think NW will prove just what a moron he is. Strength of schedule has to matter and the committee has to try to put the best teams into the tournament taking , record, strength of schedule and other factors into account.
you truly are pathetic. Every tries to move on but you will not stop. Even if they win that game, they're out next round


What is truly pathetic is the fact that you are saying everyone is trying to move on while addressing the topic and you do not see how truly moronic that is. You go on to further show your ignorance by saying they have no chance at winning their second round game, personally I hope they lose but that game can go either way. Have no allegiance to NW but will defend any group of girls that work as hard as they do against idiotic comments from you.


That team just isn't very good so get over t
couldn't agree more!! ugly city, ugly lacrosse, ugly fans there and here. close down that outpost for the good of the game, and this tread. make it stop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
couldn't agree more!! ugly city, ugly lacrosse, ugly fans there and here. close down that outpost for the good of the game, and this tread. make it stop


I think until they are eliminated, NU man will not stop. Its unfortunate.
The haters must be miserable this morning especially the lead hater as the kid he is so jealous of played awesome . Got to love when a group of hard working young people prove a few vocal so called adults to be ignorant . Hopefully this ends the ill informed jeolous hateful spewing .That said does anyone know if the NCAA brackets that were out are legit or is there still some tweaking .
I have not been around the girls game long but how about this for the stall solution. Make it like the boys game were the refs call a stall warning and the offense has to keep the ball in the "Box," this reduces the field and puts pressure on the offense to be able able to keep the ball. Allows for easier doubles and stops the offense from spreading out the field What are the pros and cons of this? To my limited experience in the game this might solve some of the stall problem. No?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have not been around the girls game long but how about this for the stall solution. Make it like the boys game were the refs call a stall warning and the offense has to keep the ball in the "Box," this reduces the field and puts pressure on the offense to be able able to keep the ball. Allows for easier doubles and stops the offense from spreading out the field What are the pros and cons of this? To my limited experience in the game this might solve some of the stall problem. No?


they r going to a 90 second shot clock next year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The haters must be miserable this morning especially the lead hater as the kid he is so jealous of played awesome . Got to love when a group of hard working young people prove a few vocal so called adults to be ignorant . Hopefully this ends the ill informed jeolous hateful spewing .That said does anyone know if the NCAA brackets that were out are legit or is there still some tweaking .


Not sure what brackets you're talking about, but the NCAA selection show is tomorrow night.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The haters must be miserable this morning especially the lead hater as the kid he is so jealous of played awesome . Got to love when a group of hard working young people prove a few vocal so called adults to be ignorant . Hopefully this ends the ill informed jeolous hateful spewing .That said does anyone know if the NCAA brackets that were out are legit or is there still some tweaking .


Not sure what brackets you're talking about, but the NCAA selection show is tomorrow night.


The NU unconditional love crowd is a little ahead of themselves.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have not been around the girls game long but how about this for the stall solution. Make it like the boys game were the refs call a stall warning and the offense has to keep the ball in the "Box," this reduces the field and puts pressure on the offense to be able able to keep the ball. Allows for easier doubles and stops the offense from spreading out the field What are the pros and cons of this? To my limited experience in the game this might solve some of the stall problem. No?


they r going to a 90 second shot clock next year


Which hasn't been well thought out, blowouts are going to be insane scores - Maryland is beating Hofstra 13-4 at halftime, what are they supposed to do for the next 30 minutes? the rule maybe helps a handful of close games and playoff games from getting stalled to death and being unwatchable, but will have a negative impact on most games. I agree that something more along the men's lines would be infinitely better for the game than the 90 second clock
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The haters must be miserable this morning especially the lead hater as the kid he is so jealous of played awesome . Got to love when a group of hard working young people prove a few vocal so called adults to be ignorant . Hopefully this ends the ill informed jeolous hateful spewing .That said does anyone know if the NCAA brackets that were out are legit or is there still some tweaking .


Not sure what brackets you're talking about, but the NCAA selection show is tomorrow night.


The NU unconditional love crowd is a little ahead of themselves.


Wow , very powerful and detailed statement , difficult to dispute your statement as no one knows exactly what you are babbling about .
With the season winding down, any HUGE surprises either good or bad with your teams?
1 Maryland
2 North Carolina
3 Florida
4 Syracuse
5 Towson
6 Southern California
7 Notre Dame
8 Princeton
9 Penn
10 Penn St.
11 Stanford
12 Stony Brook
13 Northwestern
14 Cornell
15 Loyola Maryland
16 Louisville
17 Virginia
18 Duke
19 Massachusetts
20 Boston College
21 UConn
22 Johns Hopkins
23 Albany (NY)
24 James Madison
25 Delaware
26 Ohio St.
27 Jacksonville
28 Colorado
29 Winthrop
30 Elon
31 Georgetown
32 Drexel
33 Temple
34 Dartmouth
35 Lehigh
36 Michigan
37 William & Mary
38 Canisius
39 Navy
40 High Point
41 Boston U.
42 Old Dominion
43 Harvard
44 UMBC
45 Oregon
46 George Mason
47 Monmouth
48 Denver
49 UC Davis
50 Rutgers
51 Yale
52 Duquesne
53 Coastal Caro.
54 Bryant
55 Columbia
56 Marist
57 Furman
58 Marquette
59 Virginia Tech
60 Vanderbilt
61 Colgate
62 Davidson
63 Campbell
64 Bucknell
65 Brown
66 Fairfield
67 San Diego St.
68 Niagara
69 Villanova
70 Saint Joseph's
71 Wagner
72 Iona
73 Binghamton
74 New Hampshire
75 Richmond
76 Hofstra
77 California
78 Detroit
79 Vermont
80 Fresno St.
81 American
82 Longwood
83 Lafayette
84 Cincinnati
85 Robert Morris
86 Liberty
87 Holy Cross
88 Sacred Heart
89 La Salle
90 George Washington
91 Siena
92 Mercer
93 Stetson
94 VCU
95 Mt. St. Mary's
96 Central Mich.
97 Kennesaw St.
98 Gardner-Webb
99 Saint Francis (PA)
100 Army West Point
101 Central Conn. St.
102 Manhattan
103 Quinnipiac
104 St. Bonaventure
105 UMass Lowell
106 St. Mary's (CA)
107 Presbyterian
108 LIU Brooklyn
109 Radford
110 Delaware St.
111 Howard
I thought VCU would finish higher than Mercer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have not been around the girls game long but how about this for the stall solution. Make it like the boys game were the refs call a stall warning and the offense has to keep the ball in the "Box," this reduces the field and puts pressure on the offense to be able able to keep the ball. Allows for easier doubles and stops the offense from spreading out the field What are the pros and cons of this? To my limited experience in the game this might solve some of the stall problem. No?


they r going to a 90 second shot clock next year


Which hasn't been well thought out, blowouts are going to be insane scores - Maryland is beating Hofstra 13-4 at halftime, what are they supposed to do for the next 30 minutes? the rule maybe helps a handful of close games and playoff games from getting stalled to death and being unwatchable, but will have a negative impact on most games. I agree that something more along the men's lines would be infinitely better for the game than the 90 second clock


Pretty simple solution ... shut off clock at 10 goal lead just like running time
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have not been around the girls game long but how about this for the stall solution. Make it like the boys game were the refs call a stall warning and the offense has to keep the ball in the "Box," this reduces the field and puts pressure on the offense to be able able to keep the ball. Allows for easier doubles and stops the offense from spreading out the field What are the pros and cons of this? To my limited experience in the game this might solve some of the stall problem. No?


they r going to a 90 second shot clock next year


Which hasn't been well thought out, blowouts are going to be insane scores - Maryland is beating Hofstra 13-4 at halftime, what are they supposed to do for the next 30 minutes? the rule maybe helps a handful of close games and playoff games from getting stalled to death and being unwatchable, but will have a negative impact on most games. I agree that something more along the men's lines would be infinitely better for the game than the 90 second clock


Pretty simple solution ... shut off clock at 10 goal lead just like running time


Another simple solution is to sub. Keep putting different girls into the game and spread the playing time in blowouts. Game gets close then you put better players back in. No need for a girl to get 10 goals in a 20-5 blowout.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have not been around the girls game long but how about this for the stall solution. Make it like the boys game were the refs call a stall warning and the offense has to keep the ball in the "Box," this reduces the field and puts pressure on the offense to be able able to keep the ball. Allows for easier doubles and stops the offense from spreading out the field What are the pros and cons of this? To my limited experience in the game this might solve some of the stall problem. No?


they r going to a 90 second shot clock next year


Which hasn't been well thought out, blowouts are going to be insane scores - Maryland is beating Hofstra 13-4 at halftime, what are they supposed to do for the next 30 minutes? the rule maybe helps a handful of close games and playoff games from getting stalled to death and being unwatchable, but will have a negative impact on most games. I agree that something more along the men's lines would be infinitely better for the game than the 90 second clock


Pretty simple solution ... shut off clock at 10 goal lead just like running time


Another simple solution is to sub. Keep putting different girls into the game and spread the playing time in blowouts. Game gets close then you put better players back in. No need for a girl to get 10 goals in a 20-5 blowout.


Watched garbage time of the MD semi the other night - really surprised by the steep drop off in talent. Guess the next tier you would expect to be there went somewhere else where they could get minutes.

I spoke to a D 1 coach and they said they would never go past 30 girls on the roster because right now 24-30 are drill killers. More does not nesesarily mean better
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have not been around the girls game long but how about this for the stall solution. Make it like the boys game were the refs call a stall warning and the offense has to keep the ball in the "Box," this reduces the field and puts pressure on the offense to be able able to keep the ball. Allows for easier doubles and stops the offense from spreading out the field What are the pros and cons of this? To my limited experience in the game this might solve some of the stall problem. No?


they r going to a 90 second shot clock next year


Which hasn't been well thought out, blowouts are going to be insane scores - Maryland is beating Hofstra 13-4 at halftime, what are they supposed to do for the next 30 minutes? the rule maybe helps a handful of close games and playoff games from getting stalled to death and being unwatchable, but will have a negative impact on most games. I agree that something more along the men's lines would be infinitely better for the game than the 90 second clock


Pretty simple solution ... shut off clock at 10 goal lead just like running time


Another simple solution is to sub. Keep putting different girls into the game and spread the playing time in blowouts. Game gets close then you put better players back in. No need for a girl to get 10 goals in a 20-5 blowout.


Watched garbage time of the MD semi the other night - really surprised by the steep drop off in talent. Guess the next tier you would expect to be there went somewhere else where they could get minutes.



Most notable, Alex Aust left as Volunteer Assistant and her younger sister left as well. Sister would have been a sophomore this year....
What Alex are you talking about?

Terrible draw for Stony Brook.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Terrible draw for Stony Brook.


And how about the UNC bracket?

UNC
Notre Dame
Louisville
NU
Duke
Loyola

Toughest top to bottom.

Penn gets the cake walk to a meeting with Florida
the MD NU game shows just how physical the womens sport is. more chopping than a hibachi restaurant and the officials haven't pulled out a single card. NU players with cut off shirts to show how jacked the are from old-school powerlifting routine. game is changing so rapidly.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Terrible draw for Stony Brook.


No respect - looks like a 13 seed based on playing #4 in the Quarters.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Terrible draw for Stony Brook.


And how about the UNC bracket?

UNC
Notre Dame
Louisville
NU
Duke
Loyola

Toughest top to bottom.

Penn gets the cake walk to a meeting with Florida


If Penn deserves the 7 seed (no idea if they do) they should play Florida (#2) in the Quarters.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the MD NU game shows just how physical the womens sport is. more chopping than a hibachi restaurant and the officials haven't pulled out a single card. NU players with cut off shirts to show how jacked the are from old-school powerlifting routine. game is changing so rapidly.


And also shows that NU has improved a lot over the course of the season. However, just as their defense was starting to gel, holding penn st. to 6 and keeping Maryland under control, they lose one of their key defenders to what looked like a bad shoulder/collar bone injury. Just not their year, but looked better against Maryland than I thought they would.

Final four looks to definitely include Florida and Maryland based on the brackets. SB/BC/SYR/USC is a tough one to call, but likely SYR and the other bracket looks tough. UNC is the favorite of course, but they had a one goal win over Duke in the ACC tournament, an OT loss to Louisville, an OT win over NU and a couple of tough games w ND that they pulled away late in each.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Terrible draw for Stony Brook.


And how about the UNC bracket?

UNC
Notre Dame
Louisville
NU
Duke
Loyola

Toughest top to bottom.

Penn gets the cake walk to a meeting with Florida


If Penn deserves the 7 seed (no idea if they do) they should play Florida (#2) in the Quarters.


Penn and Cornell being seeded is a joke. The committee has some strange ways of doing business.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Terrible draw for Stony Brook.


No respect - looks like a 13 seed based on playing #4 in the Quarters.


SB wasn't taken seriously losing 3 of the only 4 hard games they had. Their big goal scorer won't be taken seriously in the Tewaaraton voting either. Most points doesn't mean best player
Originally Posted by baldbear
Terrible draw for Stony Brook.


The fact they are not seeded is embarrassing when Penn and Cornell are.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the MD NU game shows just how physical the womens sport is. more chopping than a hibachi restaurant and the officials haven't pulled out a single card. NU players with cut off shirts to show how jacked the are from old-school powerlifting routine. game is changing so rapidly.


NO one wants to watch women looking like men. Keep the speed creativity and fluidity in and get the jacked women out and GET THE HACKING OUT OF THE GAME! This is 4 years and done. Have the ladies still be ladies after 4 years
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Terrible draw for Stony Brook.


No respect - looks like a 13 seed based on playing #4 in the Quarters.


SB wasn't taken seriously losing 3 of the only 4 hard games they had. Their big goal scorer won't be taken seriously in the Tewaaraton voting either. Most points doesn't mean best player


That's the LI way at every level - Club, High School, College Pad pad pad those stats
What great wins does Cornell or pen have ? That committee got some explaining interesting how committee for me are very transparent with NCAA rankings last few weeks and a full explanation on seeds w last few in or out. Women's side always seems warped
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the MD NU game shows just how physical the womens sport is. more chopping than a hibachi restaurant and the officials haven't pulled out a single card. NU players with cut off shirts to show how jacked the are from old-school powerlifting routine. game is changing so rapidly.


And also shows that NU has improved a lot over the course of the season. However, just as their defense was starting to gel, holding penn st. to 6 and keeping Maryland under control, they lose one of their key defenders to what looked like a bad shoulder/collar bone injury. Just not their year, but looked better against Maryland than I thought they would.

Final four looks to definitely include Florida and Maryland based on the brackets. SB/BC/SYR/USC is a tough one to call, but likely SYR and the other bracket looks tough. UNC is the favorite of course, but they had a one goal win over Duke in the ACC tournament, an OT loss to Louisville, an OT win over NU and a couple of tough games w ND that they pulled away late in each.


I think you are mistaken about the UNC louisville game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Terrible draw for Stony Brook.


And how about the UNC bracket?

UNC
Notre Dame
Louisville
NU
Duke
Loyola

Toughest top to bottom.

Penn gets the cake walk to a meeting with Florida


If Penn deserves the 7 seed (no idea if they do) they should play Florida (#2) in the Quarters.


Penn and Cornell being seeded is a joke. The committee has some strange ways of doing business.


Check out the D3 bracket if you really want to be confused.
$$$$ brackets and seedings are based on $$$. Clearly the NCAA is looking to keep the travel cost down.

JMU and Penn State look to be the only two teams that need to fly to first and second round games.

Makes it easier and less costly for the schools, families and fans.

Good luck to all.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the MD NU game shows just how physical the womens sport is. more chopping than a hibachi restaurant and the officials haven't pulled out a single card. NU players with cut off shirts to show how jacked the are from old-school powerlifting routine. game is changing so rapidly.


And also shows that NU has improved a lot over the course of the season. However, just as their defense was starting to gel, holding penn st. to 6 and keeping Maryland under control, they lose one of their key defenders to what looked like a bad shoulder/collar bone injury. Just not their year, but looked better against Maryland than I thought they would.

Final four looks to definitely include Florida and Maryland based on the brackets. SB/BC/SYR/USC is a tough one to call, but likely SYR and the other bracket looks tough. UNC is the favorite of course, but they had a one goal win over Duke in the ACC tournament, an OT loss to Louisville, an OT win over NU and a couple of tough games w ND that they pulled away late in each.


I think you are mistaken about the UNC louisville game


yes sorry ... UNC crushed Louisville. I was thinking ND-Louisville.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Terrible draw for Stony Brook.


And how about the UNC bracket?

UNC
Notre Dame
Louisville
NU
Duke
Loyola

Toughest top to bottom.

Penn gets the cake walk to a meeting with Florida


If Penn deserves the 7 seed (no idea if they do) they should play Florida (#2) in the Quarters.


Penn and Cornell being seeded is a joke. The committee has some strange ways of doing business.


I was told a few years ago that geography plays a big part in setting up the brackets - mainly to keep travel costs down, but I'm sure attendance is a factor too. Other than James Madison going to USC, looks like that pretty much holds true this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Terrible draw for Stony Brook.


The fact they are not seeded is embarrassing when Penn and Cornell are.


Plus SB has to play a road game in the first round. Apparently SU wasn't available, so BC is hosting the opening weekend.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the MD NU game shows just how physical the womens sport is. more chopping than a hibachi restaurant and the officials haven't pulled out a single card. NU players with cut off shirts to show how jacked the are from old-school powerlifting routine. game is changing so rapidly.


And also shows that NU has improved a lot over the course of the season. However, just as their defense was starting to gel, holding penn st. to 6 and keeping Maryland under control, they lose one of their key defenders to what looked like a bad shoulder/collar bone injury. Just not their year, but looked better against Maryland than I thought they would.

Final four looks to definitely include Florida and Maryland based on the brackets. SB/BC/SYR/USC is a tough one to call, but likely SYR and the other bracket looks tough. UNC is the favorite of course, but they had a one goal win over Duke in the ACC tournament, an OT loss to Louisville, an OT win over NU and a couple of tough games w ND that they pulled away late in each.


yeah strange right?? bodying up can cause an injury... hmm, maybe football, men's lacrosse, ice hockey all have it right with helmets and pads. Someone is going to get maimed out there. savage amount of body and stick to body contact..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the MD NU game shows just how physical the womens sport is. more chopping than a hibachi restaurant and the officials haven't pulled out a single card. NU players with cut off shirts to show how jacked the are from old-school powerlifting routine. game is changing so rapidly.


And also shows that NU has improved a lot over the course of the season. However, just as their defense was starting to gel, holding penn st. to 6 and keeping Maryland under control, they lose one of their key defenders to what looked like a bad shoulder/collar bone injury. Just not their year, but looked better against Maryland than I thought they would.

Final four looks to definitely include Florida and Maryland based on the brackets. SB/BC/SYR/USC is a tough one to call, but likely SYR and the other bracket looks tough. UNC is the favorite of course, but they had a one goal win over Duke in the ACC tournament, an OT loss to Louisville, an OT win over NU and a couple of tough games w ND that they pulled away late in each.


yeah strange right?? bodying up can cause an injury... hmm, maybe football, men's lacrosse, ice hockey all have it right with helmets and pads. Someone is going to get maimed out there. savage amount of body and stick to body contact..


The second the girls start wearing more protective equipment is the second they start hitting each other even harder. More padding doesn't mean safer. Look at football. Players didn't start leading with their heads until they got face masks and better helmets. Put on a leather helmet and see how many players are diving head first.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the MD NU game shows just how physical the womens sport is. more chopping than a hibachi restaurant and the officials haven't pulled out a single card. NU players with cut off shirts to show how jacked the are from old-school powerlifting routine. game is changing so rapidly.


And also shows that NU has improved a lot over the course of the season. However, just as their defense was starting to gel, holding penn st. to 6 and keeping Maryland under control, they lose one of their key defenders to what looked like a bad shoulder/collar bone injury. Just not their year, but looked better against Maryland than I thought they would.

Final four looks to definitely include Florida and Maryland based on the brackets. SB/BC/SYR/USC is a tough one to call, but likely SYR and the other bracket looks tough. UNC is the favorite of course, but they had a one goal win over Duke in the ACC tournament, an OT loss to Louisville, an OT win over NU and a couple of tough games w ND that they pulled away late in each.


yeah strange right?? bodying up can cause an injury... hmm, maybe football, men's lacrosse, ice hockey all have it right with helmets and pads. Someone is going to get maimed out there. savage amount of body and stick to body contact..


No if you saw the injury you would know it had nothing to do with that. It was a freak collision where they were both actually trying to avoid each other.
100 % agree
Put the armour on the girls and a good number on them will either stop playing, or never start. That is what my daughter believes. And she was a collegiate AA and played on USA. She is 5'6" and weighs about 125. She has no interest in hitting or being hit, and is convinced the level of contact will increase with helmets. She has also said the number of times someone's head makes contact with you when you play is fairly high, glancing you when going for ground balls or ducking a head while trying to drive past a defender. Things that aren't going to cause injury but there is contact nevertheless. She has zero interest in getting hit with a helmet every time those things occur.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the MD NU game shows just how physical the womens sport is. more chopping than a hibachi restaurant and the officials haven't pulled out a single card. NU players with cut off shirts to show how jacked the are from old-school powerlifting routine. game is changing so rapidly.


NO one wants to watch women looking like men. Keep the speed creativity and fluidity in and get the jacked women out and GET THE HACKING OUT OF THE GAME! This is 4 years and done. Have the ladies still be ladies after 4 years


Idiot. Let me guess, so they can go back to the kitchen, pregnant and ironing?
"get the jacked women out". "Have the ladies still be ladies". What??? Anorexia combined with splash of submissiveness is ideal?

Just Wow....you criticize athletes who strive to be the best they can be....who dedicate themselves to being stronger, faster, and more skilled than you could ever wish to be? I can guess your gut is about as round as you are tall, and you are the typical jacka** on the sidelines screaming "RUN" to your kid when YOU haven't moved more than 10 feet at any given stretch of time for the last 20+ years. These women are beautiful. I realize they have the muscles you always wished you could have, but get a grip and crawl back in your hole. God bless them and their dedication. They SHOULD show off their muscles and be proud of what hard work can do. They are beautiful women who were obviously blessed with parents who taught them to be proud of who they are and the bodies that God gave them. I feel very sorry for your daughter.
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Put the armour on the girls and a good number on them will either stop playing, or never start. That is what my daughter believes. And she was a collegiate AA and played on USA. She is 5'6" and weighs about 125. She has no interest in hitting or being hit, and is convinced the level of contact will increase with helmets. She has also said the number of times someone's head makes contact with you when you play is fairly high, glancing you when going for ground balls or ducking a head while trying to drive past a defender. Things that aren't going to cause injury but there is contact nevertheless. She has zero interest in getting hit with a helmet every time those things occur.


Would be a different game with helmets and you are probably right some girls wouldn't start playing. I still think the game needs a foul system that penalizes players after multiple infractions but lets start by calling and carding the chopping. The rules are already written but they aren't being enforced.
Can Stony Brook make a deep run this year? The seeding and the travel makes it seem like the committee doesn't like them
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Can Stony Brook make a deep run this year? The seeding and the travel makes it seem like the committee doesn't like them


So lame...they are a top 7 team all year and the committee basically ranks them 13th. They didn't deserve a bye but deserved to at least host a home game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can Stony Brook make a deep run this year? The seeding and the travel makes it seem like the committee doesn't like them


If they win more of the early non-conference games maybe a seeding. But they only had one win in those games and the conference is very weak. I was looking forward to a home game myself especially after Syracuse couldn't host.

Speaking of Syracuse--you are a top national program expecting to be seeded and hosting. How do you schedule something else for the announced first weekend of the lacrosse playoffs? Coach Gait, despite the nice comments he has made publicly, can't be pleased with his university.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can Stony Brook make a deep run this year? The seeding and the travel makes it seem like the committee doesn't like them


So lame...they are a top 7 team all year and the committee basically ranks them 13th. They didn't deserve a bye but deserved to at least host a home game.


Do they dislike the coach? He seems like one of those guys that if he is yours you love him but if he isn't then...
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can Stony Brook make a deep run this year? The seeding and the travel makes it seem like the committee doesn't like them


So lame...they are a top 7 team all year and the committee basically ranks them 13th. They didn't deserve a bye but deserved to at least host a home game.


Do they dislike the coach? He seems like one of those guys that if he is yours you love him but if he isn't then...


Could be a factor but not sure how anyone would confirm that.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can Stony Brook make a deep run this year? The seeding and the travel makes it seem like the committee doesn't like them


So lame...they are a top 7 team all year and the committee basically ranks them 13th. They didn't deserve a bye but deserved to at least host a home game.


Do they dislike the coach? He seems like one of those guys that if he is yours you love him but if he isn't then...


In all seriousness, who do you think should be "seeded" higher in tournament, SB or NU? Significant wins SB 1 (Stanford) NU 4 (ND, Penn St, Duke and wait for it ... SB!) And yet NU has the toughest road our of a region having to play Louisville-ND-and then likely UNC. Go figure.

Guess there's a penalty for having the hardest schedule in the nation.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can Stony Brook make a deep run this year? The seeding and the travel makes it seem like the committee doesn't like them


So lame...they are a top 7 team all year and the committee basically ranks them 13th. They didn't deserve a bye but deserved to at least host a home game.


Do they dislike the coach? He seems like one of those guys that if he is yours you love him but if he isn't then...


It's not the coach in my opinion. You play a more difficult schedule with success and you will get a higher seed. I'm surprised they are playing at BC.

A knock against SB is that they tend to be treated as a regional team. Coach doesn't recruit outside of LI because he doesn't have to. Critics of him say he is spread too thin between all his coaching jobs. I think SB is a hard school to recruit outside of the local area and he knows that. So stack up on local, very qualified talent and beat up teams in a weak conference. To his credit he does schedule great non-conference games. They only won one of those.

Syracuse recruits well upstate but they also get the Maryland/DC/LI player too. Is SB good enough to make a run? With some breaks yes. I don't think they get past Syracuse. I hope I'm wrong.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can Stony Brook make a deep run this year? The seeding and the travel makes it seem like the committee doesn't like them


So lame...they are a top 7 team all year and the committee basically ranks them 13th. They didn't deserve a bye but deserved to at least host a home game.


Do they dislike the coach? He seems like one of those guys that if he is yours you love him but if he isn't then...


In all seriousness, who do you think should be "seeded" higher in tournament, SB or NU? Significant wins SB 1 (Stanford) NU 4 (ND, Penn St, Duke and wait for it ... SB!) And yet NU has the toughest road our of a region having to play Louisville-ND-and then likely UNC. Go figure.

Guess there's a penalty for having the hardest schedule in the nation.


Still trying? They lost a LOT of games. Lucky to be in at all.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Put the armour on the girls and a good number on them will either stop playing, or never start. That is what my daughter believes. And she was a collegiate AA and played on USA. She is 5'6" and weighs about 125. She has no interest in hitting or being hit, and is convinced the level of contact will increase with helmets. She has also said the number of times someone's head makes contact with you when you play is fairly high, glancing you when going for ground balls or ducking a head while trying to drive past a defender. Things that aren't going to cause injury but there is contact nevertheless. She has zero interest in getting hit with a helmet every time those things occur.


Would be a different game with helmets and you are probably right some girls wouldn't start playing. I still think the game needs a foul system that penalizes players after multiple infractions but lets start by calling and carding the chopping. The rules are already written but they aren't being enforced.


It will start with a soft helmet, so the issue of going injured by getting hit by the helmet will be minimal. But once the helmet is on, soft or hard, the fear of getting your head hit will be lowered. No ball carriers will go at the cage harder, and the risk of ground caused concussions will increase.

I am all for foul counts, with a penalty for excessive numbers. I am also for more stringent enforcement of rules on the books. I also believe that at the youth level the best referees will take a ten seconds to explain to the player what they did wrong. I have seen it done, but not enough.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can Stony Brook make a deep run this year? The seeding and the travel makes it seem like the committee doesn't like them


So lame...they are a top 7 team all year and the committee basically ranks them 13th. They didn't deserve a bye but deserved to at least host a home game.


Do they dislike the coach? He seems like one of those guys that if he is yours you love him but if he isn't then...


It's not the coach in my opinion. You play a more difficult schedule with success and you will get a higher seed. I'm surprised they are playing at BC.

A knock against SB is that they tend to be treated as a regional team. Coach doesn't recruit outside of LI because he doesn't have to. Critics of him say he is spread too thin between all his coaching jobs. I think SB is a hard school to recruit outside of the local area and he knows that. So stack up on local, very qualified talent and beat up teams in a weak conference. To his credit he does schedule great non-conference games. They only won one of those.

Syracuse recruits well upstate but they also get the Maryland/DC/LI player too. Is SB good enough to make a run? With some breaks yes. I don't think they get past Syracuse. I hope I'm wrong.


Great post. SB will always be a tough place to recruit to. Very good education, Very good facilities but the campus doesn't wow you and its location doesn't help sell the school. I think JS can stay for as long as he wants so he will dabble in lots of other things and stay ranked around #10 year after year and maybe one year they will steal one.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can Stony Brook make a deep run this year? The seeding and the travel makes it seem like the committee doesn't like them


So lame...they are a top 7 team all year and the committee basically ranks them 13th. They didn't deserve a bye but deserved to at least host a home game.


Do they dislike the coach? He seems like one of those guys that if he is yours you love him but if he isn't then...


NU Dad is off his meds - again. Get something stronger, will ya?

In all seriousness, who do you think should be "seeded" higher in tournament, SB or NU? Significant wins SB 1 (Stanford) NU 4 (ND, Penn St, Duke and wait for it ... SB!) And yet NU has the toughest road our of a region having to play Louisville-ND-and then likely UNC. Go figure.

Guess there's a penalty for having the hardest schedule in the nation.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can Stony Brook make a deep run this year? The seeding and the travel makes it seem like the committee doesn't like them


So lame...they are a top 7 team all year and the committee basically ranks them 13th. They didn't deserve a bye but deserved to at least host a home game.


Do they dislike the coach? He seems like one of those guys that if he is yours you love him but if he isn't then...


NU Dad is off his meds - again. Get something stronger, will ya?

In all seriousness, who do you think should be "seeded" higher in tournament, SB or NU? Significant wins SB 1 (Stanford) NU 4 (ND, Penn St, Duke and wait for it ... SB!) And yet NU has the toughest road our of a region having to play Louisville-ND-and then likely UNC. Go figure.

Guess there's a penalty for having the hardest schedule in the nation.
not a fan of NU or SB. NU should have a difficult road, they lost to a lot of top schools, even though they came on strong in the end, they are probably lucky to be in at all. Not there best year. SB is a joke if not for an errant pass by Albany there watching from home. Losing to 3 of the 4 tough teams on your schedule you wear lucky to be ranked as high as you were. Saying SB is a tough sell is just an excuse. He doesn't just recruit from a single area, he recruits from a single source, and will not look anywhere els, as long as JS is at SB they will never win. Both could very well lose first gameSB probably will and your fans will cry, but in reality there not that good.
And neither is your spelling! They're is a contraction of "they are" and is not spelled "there". I think you substituted "there" for "their" somewhere else but I can't stomach reading your post again. Whatever you were trying to say is lost in bad grammar and run on sentences. To much time on the field, not enough time hitting the books, eh?
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Can Stony Brook make a deep run this year? The seeding and the travel makes it seem like the committee doesn't like them


They were seeded higher last year and had the home field advantage. How did that work out for them?
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And neither is your spelling! They're is a contraction of "they are" and is not spelled "there". I think you substituted "there" for "their" somewhere else but I can't stomach reading your post again. Whatever you were trying to say is lost in bad grammar and run on sentences. To much time on the field, not enough time hitting the books, eh?


That would be "too much time on the field"
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And neither is your spelling! They're is a contraction of "they are" and is not spelled "there". I think you substituted "there" for "their" somewhere else but I can't stomach reading your post again. Whatever you were trying to say is lost in bad grammar and run on sentences. To much time on the field, not enough time hitting the books, eh?


That would be "too much time on the field"


Boom. Drop the mic.
Being that they never won before he got there YOU make less than zero sense loll SB lost to #2 Florida by 1, northwestern by 1, lost to undefeated USC then beat top 10 Stanford by 10 and beat Hopkins that program has come an eternity in the last 5 years. Looking at the bracket they got a tough draw being the higher seed but playing BC at BC A team That BEAT Syracuse as well as some other top teams then if they win playing Syracuse. Also not very fair to a top seeded team ranked 5th possibly having to play another top 10 or a team that beat them in their first round game while teams barely in top 20 getting a cake walk.
Also thought Maryland bracket was rough as well , while it seems the 7,8 seeded teams got a great draw of teams. Either way a very fun time of the year
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Can Stony Brook make a deep run this year? The seeding and the travel makes it seem like the committee doesn't like them


So lame...they are a top 7 team all year and the committee basically ranks them 13th. They didn't deserve a bye but deserved to at least host a home game.


Do they dislike the coach? He seems like one of those guys that if he is yours you love him but if he isn't then...


In all seriousness, who do you think should be "seeded" higher in tournament, SB or NU? Significant wins SB 1 (Stanford) NU 4 (ND, Penn St, Duke and wait for it ... SB!) And yet NU has the toughest road our of a region having to play Louisville-ND-and then likely UNC. Go figure.

Guess there's a penalty for having the hardest schedule in the nation.


Still trying? They lost a LOT of games. Lucky to be in at all.


Lost a lot of games because they played a lot of top teams ... winning games against weak opponents should not be valued more than taking on the toughest teams and winning some of them. Again, laxpower takes all of it in to consideration and puts NU at 8th. Lax Magazine did a bracket prediction before selections were made and had NU as the #7 seed (and SB as 8th btw). The committee screwed both teams in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can Stony Brook make a deep run this year? The seeding and the travel makes it seem like the committee doesn't like them


So lame...they are a top 7 team all year and the committee basically ranks them 13th. They didn't deserve a bye but deserved to at least host a home game.


SB plays in an easy conference. And went 1 for 4 against the legit programs. What seed did you expect?
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Being that they never won before he got there YOU make less than zero sense loll SB lost to #2 Florida by 1, northwestern by 1, lost to undefeated USC then beat top 10 Stanford by 10 and beat Hopkins that program has come an eternity in the last 5 years. Looking at the bracket they got a tough draw being the higher seed but playing BC at BC A team That BEAT Syracuse as well as some other top teams then if they win playing Syracuse. Also not very fair to a top seeded team ranked 5th possibly having to play another top 10 or a team that beat them in their first round game while teams barely in top 20 getting a cake walk.
Also thought Maryland bracket was rough as well , while it seems the 7,8 seeded teams got a great draw of teams. Either way a very fun time of the year
what doesn't make sense is this post, can anyone understand this? Before JS got to SB no one thought they would win, now that he is at SB all you SB fans think the can, I don't think that will ever happen with him at SB. People com on here saying how SB lost by 1 goal to this team or that, and if you would stop crying long enough to educate yourself on the topic, by reading something instead of complaining, you would know that the selection committee goes on RPI and wins and losses first, meaning, they do not care if you lost by 1 or 100 , and did you play weaker opponents, both of which you did, so lower seed for you. Be grateful you got the AQ, because like I said if not for 1 bad pass, your team is home watching on TV
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can Stony Brook make a deep run this year? The seeding and the travel makes it seem like the committee doesn't like them


So lame...they are a top 7 team all year and the committee basically ranks them 13th. They didn't deserve a bye but deserved to at least host a home game.


SB plays in an easy conference. And went 1 for 4 against the legit programs. What seed did you expect?


Nu ranked 10th in the final poll. Louisville 8th. One might argue that Louisville is getting screwed too. The 8th ranked team has to play the 10th ranked team in the first round of a 26 team tournament with 6 byes. You try to figure that out? the 8th ranked team in first round should be playing the 24th ranked team. The committee really doesn't do a very good job. It does seem geography plays a big role, but that is just ridiculous.
Stony Brook will continue to be ranked around #10 and hope they steal one in a magical year
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can Stony Brook make a deep run this year? The seeding and the travel makes it seem like the committee doesn't like them


So lame...they are a top 7 team all year and the committee basically ranks them 13th. They didn't deserve a bye but deserved to at least host a home game.


SB plays in an easy conference. And went 1 for 4 against the legit programs. What seed did you expect?




I don't think anyone thinksSB deserved to be ranked ahead of the top 6 seeds but they do have a top 10 win which is plenty more than a Towson. Cornell also should not be home. Not saying SB was a guarantee top seed. Tough for all NON power conference teams because their in conference schedule hurts them and that is uncontrollable.
[quote=Anonymous]Stony Brook will continue to be ranked around #10 and hope they steal one in a magical year [/quote

Funny very similar to another Anerica east program Albany men good for both programs fun teams to watch
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Being that they never won before he got there YOU make less than zero sense loll SB lost to #2 Florida by 1, northwestern by 1, lost to undefeated USC then beat top 10 Stanford by 10 and beat Hopkins that program has come an eternity in the last 5 years. Looking at the bracket they got a tough draw being the higher seed but playing BC at BC A team That BEAT Syracuse as well as some other top teams then if they win playing Syracuse. Also not very fair to a top seeded team ranked 5th possibly having to play another top 10 or a team that beat them in their first round game while teams barely in top 20 getting a cake walk.
Also thought Maryland bracket was rough as well , while it seems the 7,8 seeded teams got a great draw of teams. Either way a very fun time of the year
what doesn't make sense is this post, can anyone understand this? Before JS got to SB no one thought they would win, now that he is at SB all you SB fans think the can, I don't think that will ever happen with him at SB. People com on here saying how SB lost by 1 goal to this team or that, and if you would stop crying long enough to educate yourself on the topic, by reading something instead of complaining, you would know that the selection committee goes on RPI and wins and losses first, meaning, they do not care if you lost by 1 or 100 , and did you play weaker opponents, both of which you did, so lower seed for you. Be grateful you got the AQ, because like I said if not for 1 bad pass, your team is home watching on TV


You have some good points but if your going to talk with facts Sb was in regardless of Sunday like YOU said RPI is a major factor and theirs was 11 so they were in. Would of gotten in over Hopkins (they beat them head to head ) JMU low RPI as well as BC lower RPI But your other facts are fair. As a longtime LIer there was a time bit long ago when SB would have 4/5 conference losses!! So please give credit where it's due. Not doing so gets in the way of some great points for people who don't know
Forget SB. How is that draw fair for Syracuse. Top seed plays either team that beat them or #6/7 team in polls Committee did a very suspect job
Nun will beat ND
After years of very little controversy, this years brackets open them up to 2nd guessing with almost every seeding. Maybe this is the year for the big upset?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
And neither is your spelling! They're is a contraction of "they are" and is not spelled "there". I think you substituted "there" for "their" somewhere else but I can't stomach reading your post again. Whatever you were trying to say is lost in bad grammar and run on sentences. To much time on the field, not enough time hitting the books, eh?


That would be "too much time on the field"


Boom. Drop the mic.


I would consider using an exclamation point (!) after Boom. More like, Boom!
Think the Florida Penn state could be a good one as well!
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Put the armour on the girls and a good number on them will either stop playing, or never start. That is what my daughter believes. And she was a collegiate AA and played on USA. She is 5'6" and weighs about 125. She has no interest in hitting or being hit, and is convinced the level of contact will increase with helmets. She has also said the number of times someone's head makes contact with you when you play is fairly high, glancing you when going for ground balls or ducking a head while trying to drive past a defender. Things that aren't going to cause injury but there is contact nevertheless. She has zero interest in getting hit with a helmet every time those things occur.


so let me get this straight. getting hit in your helmet by another helmet is somehow worse than head-to-head contact??? not sure you have played contact sports before. I mean if they start enforcing the rule book none of this would be an issue. but they don't. you can crosscheck, the girls swing the lumber right next to the head, and whats the worse that happens???? go 4 yds behind? big freakin deal...
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]the MD NU game shows just how physical the womens sport is. more chopping than a hibachi restaurant and the officials haven't pulled out a single card. NU players with cut off shirts to show how jacked the are from old-school powerlifting routine. game is changing so rapidly.


NO one wants to watch women looking like men. Keep the speed creativity and fluidity in and get the jacked women out and GET THE HACKING OUT OF THE GAME! This is 4 years and done. Have the ladies still be ladies after 4 years


couldn't agree more. the guys games are on all the time, plenty to watch. jacked arms, huge quads all for the sake of holding up to getting bashed with a check or a metal shafted cross check.. who needs it! its just a more crowded, uglier version of the mens game. and because of shooting space you get 5x the whistles.. its unwatchable. and the crowds and the rating back it up. its sad.
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"get the jacked women out". "Have the ladies still be ladies". What??? Anorexia combined with splash of submissiveness is ideal?

Just Wow....you criticize athletes who strive to be the best they can be....who dedicate themselves to being stronger, faster, and more skilled than you could ever wish to be? I can guess your gut is about as round as you are tall, and you are the typical jacka** on the sidelines screaming "RUN" to your kid when YOU haven't moved more than 10 feet at any given stretch of time for the last 20+ years. These women are beautiful. I realize they have the muscles you always wished you could have, but get a grip and crawl back in your hole. God bless them and their dedication. They SHOULD show off their muscles and be proud of what hard work can do. They are beautiful women who were obviously blessed with parents who taught them to be proud of who they are and the bodies that God gave them. I feel very sorry for your daughter.



under / over on how many tattoes this guy has: 5
how many ounces of cologne he splashes on: 2.5
favorite singer : Eddie Money (likely served together on the force)
how many times he has been asked to leave a game by the officials: 4

anyone for the under???
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Put the armour on the girls and a good number on them will either stop playing, or never start. That is what my daughter believes. And she was a collegiate AA and played on USA. She is 5'6" and weighs about 125. She has no interest in hitting or being hit, and is convinced the level of contact will increase with helmets. She has also said the number of times someone's head makes contact with you when you play is fairly high, glancing you when going for ground balls or ducking a head while trying to drive past a defender. Things that aren't going to cause injury but there is contact nevertheless. She has zero interest in getting hit with a helmet every time those things occur.


so let me get this straight. getting hit in your helmet by another helmet is somehow worse than head-to-head contact??? not sure you have played contact sports before. I mean if they start enforcing the rule book none of this would be an issue. but they don't. you can crosscheck, the girls swing the lumber right next to the head, and whats the worse that happens???? go 4 yds behind? big freakin deal...



how about the dangerous follow though? ever see that called. in the florida vs temple game the freshman powerlifter from Mt Sinai ripped a shot and her follow through just bludgeoned the defender right on her neck/ shoulder area. the Florida bench was livid they waived off the goal. she didn't even get a card.

player safety is not even a consideration out there. might as well stop publishing that rulebook we all get every year. its like watching the NHL in the 70's. all brawling, no room for finesse players. Maybe they should allow designated goons to throw down and protect the littler ones..
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Put the armour on the girls and a good number on them will either stop playing, or never start. That is what my daughter believes. And she was a collegiate AA and played on USA. She is 5'6" and weighs about 125. She has no interest in hitting or being hit, and is convinced the level of contact will increase with helmets. She has also said the number of times someone's head makes contact with you when you play is fairly high, glancing you when going for ground balls or ducking a head while trying to drive past a defender. Things that aren't going to cause injury but there is contact nevertheless. She has zero interest in getting hit with a helmet every time those things occur.




so let me get this straight. getting hit in your helmet by another helmet is somehow worse than head-to-head contact??? not sure you have played contact sports before. I mean if they start enforcing the rule book none of this would be an issue. but they don't. you can crosscheck, the girls swing the lumber right next to the head, and whats the worse that happens???? go 4 yds behind? big freakin deal...


Never said helmet to helmet, she is as concerned about getting hit with a helmet on other parts of her body. She is as concerned about a player, out of control, losing her footing and slamming a helmet into her knees. She also feels that with the protection the stick swinging will get worse, not better. But hey, she's got her free ride, her degree, and her memories playing a great game. If the next generation wants to make it a contact sport with pads then just be prepared for the growth of the game to slow.
And yes I've played both football and rugby. But what I've played isn't really relevant, I think the views of someone who actually plays the game, and plays it better than most is perhaps more important to listen to.
The best games are crisp, fast paced with tons of athleticism and creativity. The worst games are when you stack the defense and hack the [lacrosse] out of people because you are either a goon or slow. It's a great game when its clean, fast and the ball is spread around to try and eliminate stat hounds.
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The best games are crisp, fast paced with tons of athleticism and creativity. The worst games are when you stack the defense and hack the [lacrosse] out of people because you are either a goon or slow. It's a great game when its clean, fast and the ball is spread around to try and eliminate stat hounds.


well apparently the much talked about "growth of the game" is manifesting itself much more on the Men's side only. this weekend the men have 8 games on ESPN U. women have just 2 games on ESPN3 -- yes the watch on the lap top jokeola version.

so if you think the womens look so great all jacked up from Romanian deadlifts and sumo squats then you seem to be in the minority. and if the hacking, crosschecking and the backer zone are so great, gas up your car and head out to Evanston. they're probly hitting the weights right now to get a good swell on for those tank top jerseys they are sporting.

please start calling the rule book. reign in the physical play its good for no one.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best games are crisp, fast paced with tons of athleticism and creativity. The worst games are when you stack the defense and hack the [lacrosse] out of people because you are either a goon or slow. It's a great game when its clean, fast and the ball is spread around to try and eliminate stat hounds.


well apparently the much talked about "growth of the game" is manifesting itself much more on the Men's side only. this weekend the men have 8 games on ESPN U. women have just 2 games on ESPN3 -- yes the watch on the lap top jokeola version.

so if you think the womens look so great all jacked up from Romanian deadlifts and sumo squats then you seem to be in the minority. and if the hacking, crosschecking and the backer zone are so great, gas up your car and head out to Evanston. they're probly hitting the weights right now to get a good swell on for those tank top jerseys they are sporting.

please start calling the rule book. reign in the physical play its good for no one.


For ESPN3 games, I disconnect my DVD player and replace it with my laptop. The game then is on the TV screen - looks just like a regular broadcast.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best games are crisp, fast paced with tons of athleticism and creativity. The worst games are when you stack the defense and hack the [lacrosse] out of people because you are either a goon or slow. It's a great game when its clean, fast and the ball is spread around to try and eliminate stat hounds.


well apparently the much talked about "growth of the game" is manifesting itself much more on the Men's side only. this weekend the men have 8 games on ESPN U. women have just 2 games on ESPN3 -- yes the watch on the lap top jokeola version.

so if you think the womens look so great all jacked up from Romanian deadlifts and sumo squats then you seem to be in the minority. and if the hacking, crosschecking and the backer zone are so great, gas up your car and head out to Evanston. they're probly hitting the weights right now to get a good swell on for those tank top jerseys they are sporting.

please start calling the rule book. reign in the physical play its good for no one.


For ESPN3 games, I disconnect my DVD player and replace it with my laptop. The game then is on the TV screen - looks just like a regular broadcast.


Attendance at the finals has been in a death spiral over the last decade. Thus the shot clock and moving back to LI and NC for future finals to try and stop the bleeding. Time will tell but jacked up players is NOT the fix the game needs IMO. Isolation plays and the stall are terrible to watch
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best games are crisp, fast paced with tons of athleticism and creativity. The worst games are when you stack the defense and hack the [lacrosse] out of people because you are either a goon or slow. It's a great game when its clean, fast and the ball is spread around to try and eliminate stat hounds.


well apparently the much talked about "growth of the game" is manifesting itself much more on the Men's side only. this weekend the men have 8 games on ESPN U. women have just 2 games on ESPN3 -- yes the watch on the lap top jokeola version.

so if you think the womens look so great all jacked up from Romanian deadlifts and sumo squats then you seem to be in the minority. and if the hacking, crosschecking and the backer zone are so great, gas up your car and head out to Evanston. they're probly hitting the weights right now to get a good swell on for those tank top jerseys they are sporting.

please start calling the rule book. reign in the physical play its good for no one.


For ESPN3 games, I disconnect my DVD player and replace it with my laptop. The game then is on the TV screen - looks just like a regular broadcast.


Attendance at the finals has been in a death spiral over the last decade. Thus the shot clock and moving back to LI and NC for future finals to try and stop the bleeding. Time will tell but jacked up players is NOT the fix the game needs IMO. Isolation plays and the stall are terrible to watch



Who are these jacked up players your talking about...the game has never been faster nor more athletic.. your kid needs to keep up.. or get out of the way
Here is the fix, just call the hacking, start carding them and then toss their asses out of the game like the rules are written
Girls manage to play ice hockey in the same equipment as the boys. Maybe your daughters are just weak?
How bout C Murph getting #99 in a win over BC today. It's a D1 record. Going for 100 vs Cuse this weekend.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How bout C Murph getting #99 in a win over BC today. It's a D1 record. Going for 100 vs Cuse this weekend.


Phenomenal
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How bout C Murph getting #99 in a win over BC today. It's a D1 record. Going for 100 vs Cuse this weekend.



Great game to watch!
Why are we even discussing women's lax like it should be on TV at all? Consider the games on ESPN3 a gift! Hey parents, wake up, even your daughters don't watch. And thank god they are more athletic because the game was too slow before and maybe, just maybe the changes will speed it up.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Girls manage to play ice hockey in the same equipment as the boys. Maybe your daughters are just weak?


Women's hockey and Men's hockey are essentially identical with the exception being the women aren't supposed to hit. Women's lacrosse and Men's lacrosse have been, and should remain different sports.

If you want girls to play the boys game start a league.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How bout C Murph getting #99 in a win over BC today. It's a D1 record. Going for 100 vs Cuse this weekend.


Please with the nonsense. Tell me why she stays in and puts up numbers against such weak teams? Do you not think Megan Whittle or Kayla Treanor or Salena Lasota or any number of other better scorers in the college game today would not score many more under those same circumstances? It is a shame that this coach has played it this way. Take a lesson from the classy coaches please JS. Just watched Coach Amonte Hiller pull every starter against Louisville tonight with meaningful minutes left to play and a 8 goal lead. It should not be about stat padding.

GO CUSE!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why are we even discussing women's lax like it should be on TV at all? Consider the games on ESPN3 a gift! Hey parents, wake up, even your daughters don't watch. And thank god they are more athletic because the game was too slow before and maybe, just maybe the changes will speed it up.


Why are you coming onto a womens lacrosse discussion and being a [lacrosse] .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best games are crisp, fast paced with tons of athleticism and creativity. The worst games are when you stack the defense and hack the [lacrosse] out of people because you are either a goon or slow. It's a great game when its clean, fast and the ball is spread around to try and eliminate stat hounds.


well apparently the much talked about "growth of the game" is manifesting itself much more on the Men's side only. this weekend the men have 8 games on ESPN U. women have just 2 games on ESPN3 -- yes the watch on the lap top jokeola version.

so if you think the womens look so great all jacked up from Romanian deadlifts and sumo squats then you seem to be in the minority. and if the hacking, crosschecking and the backer zone are so great, gas up your car and head out to Evanston. they're probly hitting the weights right now to get a good swell on for those tank top jerseys they are sporting.

please start calling the rule book. reign in the physical play its good for no one.


For ESPN3 games, I disconnect my DVD player and replace it with my laptop. The game then is on the TV screen - looks just like a regular broadcast.


Any hulu or Roku device lets you watch all the ESPN3 stuff and most, if not all, remain available to watch a replay
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How bout C Murph getting #99 in a win over BC today. It's a D1 record. Going for 100 vs Cuse this weekend.


Please with the nonsense. Tell me why she stays in and puts up numbers against such weak teams? Do you not think Megan Whittle or Kayla Treanor or Salena Lasota or any number of other better scorers in the college game today would not score many more under those same circumstances? It is a shame that this coach has played it this way. Take a lesson from the classy coaches please JS. Just watched Coach Amonte Hiller pull every starter against Louisville tonight with meaningful minutes left to play and a 8 goal lead. It should not be about stat padding.

GO CUSE!

What a jerk you are. Just say congratulations to a fine young lady. Do you have a Coach Amonte poster on your wall? I can't imagine what mourning will go on when NU gets beat. Then you will have to decide is it the NU coach or the players.
Some intriguing second round match ups after a few great games yesterday watched BC vs SB and JmU Stanford. Two real good games.

Northwestern vs ND
MD vs Hop
Cuss vs SB
Towson vs upenn
Florida vs penn st
Umass vs Cornell
UNC vs Duke
USC vs Stanford
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How bout C Murph getting #99 in a win over BC today. It's a D1 record. Going for 100 vs Cuse this weekend.


Please with the nonsense. Tell me why she stays in and puts up numbers against such weak teams? Do you not think Megan Whittle or Kayla Treanor or Salena Lasota or any number of other better scorers in the college game today would not score many more under those same circumstances? It is a shame that this coach has played it this way. Take a lesson from the classy coaches please JS. Just watched Coach Amonte Hiller pull every starter against Louisville tonight with meaningful minutes left to play and a 8 goal lead. It should not be about stat padding.

GO CUSE!


Amen!
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How bout C Murph getting #99 in a win over BC today. It's a D1 record. Going for 100 vs Cuse this weekend.


Please with the nonsense. Tell me why she stays in and puts up numbers against such weak teams? Do you not think Megan Whittle or Kayla Treanor or Salena Lasota or any number of other better scorers in the college game today would not score many more under those same circumstances? It is a shame that this coach has played it this way. Take a lesson from the classy coaches please JS. Just watched Coach Amonte Hiller pull every starter against Louisville tonight with meaningful minutes left to play and a 8 goal lead. It should not be about stat padding.

GO CUSE!


Amen!
Dont even know this girl but why are people so damn jealous? Just congratulate the girl which should be your first instinct not trying to knock down her achievement. It is not your daughter vs. her, only in your warped mind.
Weak team? Yesterday's game was as close as one could get. Why would he pull out his leading scorer? Keep up the great work Stony Brook!! Good luck tomorrow!.
I don't think it's jealousy or anger toward the player. She should be congratulated, as should each and every student athlete for what they do. It's not easy. The Coach on the other hand is the same coach while at Adelphi was beating an opponent, whom had 2 subs, by 15 at the and continued playing his starters. Does this frequently. Yes he has the results to back up his style but in my opinion needs to respect the game, opponent, the families that come to watch, and his own players that don't touch the field in a 16-1 halftime blowout
It's post season lacrosse the best time !! Enjoy it
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think it's jealousy or anger toward the player. She should be congratulated, as should each and every student athlete for what they do. It's not easy. The Coach on the other hand is the same coach while at Adelphi was beating an opponent, whom had 2 subs, by 15 at the and continued playing his starters. Does this frequently. Yes he has the results to back up his style but in my opinion needs to respect the game, opponent, the families that come to watch, and his own players that don't touch the field in a 16-1 halftime blowout


/|\ This.
Northwestern over ND tomorrow !!
I see four great games tomorrow and four teams that SHOULD move on.

Moving on--Maryland, Penn, Florida, USC

In the other four--I think ND gets by NU but NU dismantled Louisville so I think we see a great game. If ND loses it's another under-performing year.

Syracuse over SB. Despite SB win over BC I didn't see anything that convinces me they can beat Syracuse.

I think UMass beats Cornell. I was not impressed at all with Cornell. UMass schedule doesn't help them but they have solid scoring options from several players.

NC over Duke. Duke did not overwhelm this season but I think they keep it close.

Lets see how wrong I am!!
Hop Maryland should be a fun one
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How bout C Murph getting #99 in a win over BC today. It's a D1 record. Going for 100 vs Cuse this weekend.


Please with the nonsense. Tell me why she stays in and puts up numbers against such weak teams? Do you not think Megan Whittle or Kayla Treanor or Salena Lasota or any number of other better scorers in the college game today would not score many more under those same circumstances? It is a shame that this coach has played it this way. Take a lesson from the classy coaches please JS. Just watched Coach Amonte Hiller pull every starter against Louisville tonight with meaningful minutes left to play and a 8 goal lead. It should not be about stat padding.

GO CUSE!


Two thoughts. Don't take anything away from girl. If you are on the field and you are a goal scorer you score goals. I have no problem with that. Next year you will have a shot clock. I think the game is going to be a bit messy but you are going to have teams shooting when they are up big on a team. I hope we don't have a "hold the ball then turn it over" scenario. bad for the game.

The SB coach does not trust his bench; never has. SB has no depth to their bench. The other teams mentioned do.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Weak team? Yesterday's game was as close as one could get. Why would he pull out his leading scorer? Keep up the great work Stony Brook!! Good luck tomorrow!.


Don't think anybody was talking about yesterday's game - referring to all the regular season blowouts against weak conference opponents.
Does Amonte Hiller come in a fathead version?
How does NCAA decide which top officials go where ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does Amonte Hiller come in a fathead version?


Inflatable?
Originally Posted by baldbear
I see four great games tomorrow and four teams that SHOULD move on.

Moving on--Maryland, Penn, Florida, USC

In the other four--I think ND gets by NU but NU dismantled Louisville so I think we see a great game. If ND loses it's another under-performing year.

Syracuse over SB. Despite SB win over BC I didn't see anything that convinces me they can beat Syracuse.

I think UMass beats Cornell. I was not impressed at all with Cornell. UMass schedule doesn't help them but they have solid scoring options from several players.

NC over Duke. Duke did not overwhelm this season but I think they keep it close.

Lets see how wrong I am!!


Are any games televised?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How bout C Murph getting #99 in a win over BC today. It's a D1 record. Going for 100 vs Cuse this weekend.


Please with the nonsense. Tell me why she stays in and puts up numbers against such weak teams? Do you not think Megan Whittle or Kayla Treanor or Salena Lasota or any number of other better scorers in the college game today would not score many more under those same circumstances? It is a shame that this coach has played it this way. Take a lesson from the classy coaches please JS. Just watched Coach Amonte Hiller pull every starter against Louisville tonight with meaningful minutes left to play and a 8 goal lead. It should not be about stat padding.

GO CUSE!

What a jerk you are. Just say congratulations to a fine young lady. Do you have a Coach Amonte poster on your wall? I can't imagine what mourning will go on when NU gets beat. Then you will have to decide is it the NU coach or the players.


I don't care about NU. Amonte-Hiller is a great coach. I'm sure they will lose at some point in the tournament. As will all teams except one moron.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
I see four great games tomorrow and four teams that SHOULD move on.

Moving on--Maryland, Penn, Florida, USC

In the other four--I think ND gets by NU but NU dismantled Louisville so I think we see a great game. If ND loses it's another under-performing year.

Syracuse over SB. Despite SB win over BC I didn't see anything that convinces me they can beat Syracuse.

I think UMass beats Cornell. I was not impressed at all with Cornell. UMass schedule doesn't help them but they have solid scoring options from several players.

NC over Duke. Duke did not overwhelm this season but I think they keep it close.

Lets see how wrong I am!!


Are any games televised?


Duke vs NC
Northwestern vs Notre Dame

Both on ESPN3. I watch on my TV through Apple TV. You can watch on a tablet or computer as well with ESPN3.

Check each team's schedules for live feeds.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How bout C Murph getting #99 in a win over BC today. It's a D1 record. Going for 100 vs Cuse this weekend.


Please with the nonsense. Tell me why she stays in and puts up numbers against such weak teams? Do you not think Megan Whittle or Kayla Treanor or Salena Lasota or any number of other better scorers in the college game today would not score many more under those same circumstances? It is a shame that this coach has played it this way. Take a lesson from the classy coaches please JS. Just watched Coach Amonte Hiller pull every starter against Louisville tonight with meaningful minutes left to play and a 8 goal lead. It should not be about stat padding.

GO CUSE!

What a jerk you are. Just say congratulations to a fine young lady. Do you have a Coach Amonte poster on your wall? I can't imagine what mourning will go on when NU gets beat. Then you will have to decide is it the NU coach or the players.


I don't care about NU. Amonte-Hiller is a great coach. I'm sure they will lose at some point in the tournament. As will all teams except one moron.


Coach or players, you decide. Moron
Tough loss for SB. Offense too deliberate and some bad plays late; the turnover and yellow card late not what you want.
Great performance by Penn St today as well. Nice GB in OT for LI'er Bleistein.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Great performance by Penn St today as well. Nice GB in OT for LI'er Bleistein.


Good!! Send those meatheads packing. Coach is a great recruiter but horrible game manager.
Amen to that
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amen to that


And Florida chokes again, they will never win anything with O'Leary coaching
Florida coaching has been and continues to be bad in gig spots.

SB got smoked on draws today but another good season where they finish ranked around #10 again.

At this point do you take Maryland or the field?
Hopefully today will end the brain numbing back and forth about NU and SB.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How bout C Murph getting #99 in a win over BC today. It's a D1 record. Going for 100 vs Cuse this weekend.


Please with the nonsense. Tell me why she stays in and puts up numbers against such weak teams? Do you not think Megan Whittle or Kayla Treanor or Salena Lasota or any number of other better scorers in the college game today would not score many more under those same circumstances? It is a shame that this coach has played it this way. Take a lesson from the classy coaches please JS. Just watched Coach Amonte Hiller pull every starter against Louisville tonight with meaningful minutes left to play and a 8 goal lead. It should not be about stat padding.

GO CUSE!


Did Coach Amonte Hiller pull every starter today when the game was a lost cause? A classy coach would have let her bench play out the game so they could get meaningful minutes. (Please add a touch of sarcasm to what I just said and yes, if you make an argument about playing time it goes both ways).
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How bout C Murph getting #99 in a win over BC today. It's a D1 record. Going for 100 vs Cuse this weekend.


Please with the nonsense. Tell me why she stays in and puts up numbers against such weak teams? Do you not think Megan Whittle or Kayla Treanor or Salena Lasota or any number of other better scorers in the college game today would not score many more under those same circumstances? It is a shame that this coach has played it this way. Take a lesson from the classy coaches please JS. Just watched Coach Amonte Hiller pull every starter against Louisville tonight with meaningful minutes left to play and a 8 goal lead. It should not be about stat padding.

GO CUSE!


Did Coach Amonte Hiller pull every starter today when the game was a lost cause? A classy coach would have let her bench play out the game so they could get meaningful minutes. (Please add a touch of sarcasm to what I just said and yes, if you make an argument about playing time it goes both ways).


15 to 3? It was over in 10 minutes! The charade is over.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hopefully today will end the brain numbing back and forth about NU and SB.


But next year it gets even worse for NU and the SeaSpallinas will be even better. So you still will have to hear about them. NU will be totally irrelevant.
Some great games yesterday, looking at the brackets it definitely did NOT look like it was done fairly. When you look and see Umass vs Cornell, upenn vs Towson as the 7,8 seeds then Syracuse vs SB and penn state vs Florida as higher seeded match ups.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some great games yesterday, looking at the brackets it definitely did NOT look like it was done fairly. When you look and see Umass vs Cornell, upenn vs Towson as the 7,8 seeds then Syracuse vs SB and penn state vs Florida as higher seeded match ups.


I think they cared more about "region" than actual seedings. Like you said - a few match ups were not fair. Final Four will be as expected, though.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some great games yesterday, looking at the brackets it definitely did NOT look like it was done fairly. When you look and see Umass vs Cornell, upenn vs Towson as the 7,8 seeds then Syracuse vs SB and penn state vs Florida as higher seeded match ups.


Scheduling / seeding for the first and second round games are largely based on location / travel $$$$$. Only two teams had to fly to first round games (Penn State and JMU). All other teams were grouped by region and had a relatively short bus trip. Also helps the families, friends and fans to keep the travel cost down.
Maryland or the field ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hopefully today will end the brain numbing back and forth about NU and SB.


But next year it gets even worse for NU and the SeaSpallinas will be even better. So you still will have to hear about them. NU will be totally irrelevant.


NU was already irrelevant this year.
Does anyone know what SB's last yellow card was for? Did its happen off screen?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hopefully today will end the brain numbing back and forth about NU and SB.


But next year it gets even worse for NU and the SeaSpallinas will be even better. So you still will have to hear about them. NU will be totally irrelevant.


NU was already irrelevant this year.


Yes sir
Hit to the head
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hopefully today will end the brain numbing back and forth about NU and SB.


But next year it gets even worse for NU and the SeaSpallinas will be even better. So you still will have to hear about them. NU will be totally irrelevant.


NU was already irrelevant this year.


Yes sir


Here's hoping the suffering goes on many more years. We had to endure that stalling for the last 10 minutes of so many one and two goal games. They've set back womens lacrosse decades. Let's savor the losses as they pile up....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hit to the head


Thanks. Didn't see it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hopefully today will end the brain numbing back and forth about NU and SB.


But next year it gets even worse for NU and the SeaSpallinas will be even better. So you still will have to hear about them. NU will be totally irrelevant.


NU was already irrelevant this year.


Yes sir


Here's hoping the suffering goes on many more years. We had to endure that stalling for the last 10 minutes of so many one and two goal games. They've set back womens lacrosse decades. Let's savor the losses as they pile up....


Really just can't wait for next year's shot clock. Can't wait to be able to watch a full second half without debating with myself whether I should do something else with the last 10 minutes of the game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hopefully today will end the brain numbing back and forth about NU and SB.


But next year it gets even worse for NU and the SeaSpallinas will be even better. So you still will have to hear about them. NU will be totally irrelevant.


NU was already irrelevant this year.


Yes sir


Here's hoping the suffering goes on many more years. We had to endure that stalling for the last 10 minutes of so many one and two goal games. They've set back womens lacrosse decades. Let's savor the losses as they pile up....


Really just can't wait for next year's shot clock. Can't wait to be able to watch a full second half without debating with myself whether I should do something else with the last 10 minutes of the game.


But guys lie Spallina will now let their studs score 200 points against inferior competition. Be careful what you wish for
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Hopefully today will end the brain numbing back and forth about NU and SB.


But next year it gets even worse for NU and the SeaSpallinas will be even better. So you still will have to hear about them. NU will be totally irrelevant.


NU was already irrelevant this year.


unless you consider shorts, cut off shirts and some of the higher total weight lifting numbers in the Midwest.. broke some new ground there at least. players all looked like a bunch of linebackers trying to play wideout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Hopefully today will end the brain numbing back and forth about NU and SB.


But next year it gets even worse for NU and the SeaSpallinas will be even better. So you still will have to hear about them. NU will be totally irrelevant.


NU was already irrelevant this year.


unless you consider shorts, cut off shirts and some of the higher total weight lifting numbers in the Midwest.. broke some new ground there at least. players all looked like a bunch of linebackers trying to play wideout.



And the game can only get faster! People love goals, and shots. Lots of shots.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Hopefully today will end the brain numbing back and forth about NU and SB.


But next year it gets even worse for NU and the SeaSpallinas will be even better. So you still will have to hear about them. NU will be totally irrelevant.


NU was already irrelevant this year.


unless you consider shorts, cut off shirts and some of the higher total weight lifting numbers in the Midwest.. broke some new ground there at least. players all looked like a bunch of linebackers trying to play wideout.



And the game can only get faster! People love goals, and shots. Lots of shots.


Northwestern only loses 2 starters that contributed a lot to the team. They will adjust just like every team with the shot clock next year. They will be a top 10 team again next year and everyone can go back to hating them like they did this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Hopefully today will end the brain numbing back and forth about NU and SB.


But next year it gets even worse for NU and the SeaSpallinas will be even better. So you still will have to hear about them. NU will be totally irrelevant.


NU was already irrelevant this year.


unless you consider shorts, cut off shirts and some of the higher total weight lifting numbers in the Midwest.. broke some new ground there at least. players all looked like a bunch of linebackers trying to play wideout.



And the game can only get faster! People love goals, and shots. Lots of shots.


Northwestern only loses 2 starters that contributed a lot to the team. They will adjust just like every team with the shot clock next year. They will be a top 10 team again next year and everyone can go back to hating them like they did this year.


Top 20 and falling fast.
Top 20 and falling fast.[/quote]

Great! I'd love my daughter to get recruited there. GREAT school, great facilities and great coach. I don't think she could play there if they were #1, but might be able to if they r #10-25. Sounds perfect to me!
Interesting game this weekend - Syracuse vs USC. Thoughts?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 20 and falling fast.


Great! I'd love my daughter to get recruited there. GREAT school, great facilities and great coach. I don't think she could play there if they were #1, but might be able to if they r #10-25. Sounds perfect to me! [/quote]

Have you ever been there? Evanston? Not so hot. And no worries about that #1 issue.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 20 and falling fast.


Great! I'd love my daughter to get recruited there. GREAT school, great facilities and great coach. I don't think she could play there if they were #1, but might be able to if they r #10-25. Sounds perfect to me!


Have you ever been there? Evanston? Not so hot. And no worries about that #1 issue. [/quote]

well you can always venture into the city and see the sights.. just watch out for the high crime areas, meaning the whole town basically.
most colleges are built too close to the wrong side of the tracks. Hopkins, Syracuse, Yale, Everything in Philly, NU etc etc
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 20 and falling fast.


Great! I'd love my daughter to get recruited there. GREAT school, great facilities and great coach. I don't think she could play there if they were #1, but might be able to if they r #10-25. Sounds perfect to me!


Have you ever been there? Evanston? Not so hot. And no worries about that #1 issue.


well you can always venture into the city and see the sights.. just watch out for the high crime areas, meaning the whole town basically.[/quote]

I would love to have the coach come to my house and offer my daughter a scholarship so I can tell her I would love to have my daughter be a part of Northwestern lacrosse but the crime rate in Evanston concerns me. You people need to have your heads examined. No one on this site is turning down an opportunity to go to that school. Even the northwestern bashers would love to go or have gone there. School will always be relevant in girls lacrosse no matter what is said here.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 20 and falling fast.


Great! I'd love my daughter to get recruited there. GREAT school, great facilities and great coach. I don't think she could play there if they were #1, but might be able to if they r #10-25. Sounds perfect to me!


Have you ever been there? Evanston? Not so hot. And no worries about that #1 issue.


well you can always venture into the city and see the sights.. just watch out for the high crime areas, meaning the whole town basically.


I would love to have the coach come to my house and offer my daughter a scholarship so I can tell her I would love to have my daughter be a part of Northwestern lacrosse but the crime rate in Evanston concerns me. You people need to have your heads examined. No one on this site is turning down an opportunity to go to that school. Even the northwestern bashers would love to go or have gone there. School will always be relevant in girls lacrosse no matter what is said here. [/quote]Thank you for telling me where I would have/ would go, or for that matter where I would advise my daughter to go. Not that long ago N.U. was completely irrelevant, so it's not that hard to believe they could become irrelevant again. There maws lacrosse before N.U.'s run , and will be lacrosse after they become irrelevant. As far as going to N.U for the sake of going to N.U that could be the dumbest thing I ever heard. It's a good school if you want to be an engineer But not if you want to be a veterinarian if you know what I mean. If you're advising your daughter to go there for a lacrosse program than, in my opinion, you're a flawed parent and I would tell your daughter to get advice from another source. It's a good school without a doubt, but even if my daughter wanted to be an engineer I would advis her to go to the Colorado School of Mines because they have a better ROI and one of the best graduate average salaries. Send your kid to a school that is good for her future career, not a nitch sports team, or a popular name, for Christ sake do some research
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 20 and falling fast.


Great! I'd love my daughter to get recruited there. GREAT school, great facilities and great coach. I don't think she could play there if they were #1, but might be able to if they r #10-25. Sounds perfect to me!


Have you ever been there? Evanston? Not so hot. And no worries about that #1 issue.


well you can always venture into the city and see the sights.. just watch out for the high crime areas, meaning the whole town basically.


I would love to have the coach come to my house and offer my daughter a scholarship so I can tell her I would love to have my daughter be a part of Northwestern lacrosse but the crime rate in Evanston concerns me. You people need to have your heads examined. No one on this site is turning down an opportunity to go to that school. Even the northwestern bashers would love to go or have gone there. School will always be relevant in girls lacrosse no matter what is said here.
Thank you for telling me where I would have/ would go, or for that matter where I would advise my daughter to go. Not that long ago N.U. was completely irrelevant, so it's not that hard to believe they could become irrelevant again. There maws lacrosse before N.U.'s run , and will be lacrosse after they become irrelevant. As far as going to N.U for the sake of going to N.U that could be the dumbest thing I ever heard. It's a good school if you want to be an engineer But not if you want to be a veterinarian if you know what I mean. If you're advising your daughter to go there for a lacrosse program than, in my opinion, you're a flawed parent and I would tell your daughter to get advice from another source. It's a good school without a doubt, but even if my daughter wanted to be an engineer I would advis her to go to the Colorado School of Mines because they have a better ROI and one of the best graduate average salaries. Send your kid to a school that is good for her future career, not a nitch sports team, or a popular name, for Christ sake do some research [/quote]


This entire thread has become irrelevant.. the last 10 pages of Northwestern bashing is basically unreadable. please start a "I hate Northwestern" thread so that I can continue to ignore you, and allow most of the rest of us to read about the 2016 Women's College Lacrosse Season
Originally Posted by Anonymous
most colleges are built too close to the wrong side of the tracks. Hopkins, Syracuse, Yale, Everything in Philly, NU etc etc


These schools were founded in areas that were outside the cities. Urbanization and then the decline of urban areas surrounded these schools. Some urban areas are getting better but many are not. I've been to the schools you mentioned; in my opinion John Hopkins is the least desirable followed by your Philly reference (with Temple topping the list; Villanova, outside the city, is a beautiful campus and surrounding area).
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 20 and falling fast.


Great! I'd love my daughter to get recruited there. GREAT school, great facilities and great coach. I don't think she could play there if they were #1, but might be able to if they r #10-25. Sounds perfect to me!


Have you ever been there? Evanston? Not so hot. And no worries about that #1 issue.


well you can always venture into the city and see the sights.. just watch out for the high crime areas, meaning the whole town basically.


I would love to have the coach come to my house and offer my daughter a scholarship so I can tell her I would love to have my daughter be a part of Northwestern lacrosse but the crime rate in Evanston concerns me. You people need to have your heads examined. No one on this site is turning down an opportunity to go to that school. Even the northwestern bashers would love to go or have gone there. School will always be relevant in girls lacrosse no matter what is said here. [/quote]

Dad, there are 12.5 scholarships for the NU powerlifting team. so its 1/3 off tuition. Hope you have the other 40k per year all banked away. then you're all set. enjoy Chi Town and pack her some mace..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 20 and falling fast.


Great! I'd love my daughter to get recruited there. GREAT school, great facilities and great coach. I don't think she could play there if they were #1, but might be able to if they r #10-25. Sounds perfect to me!


Have you ever been there? Evanston? Not so hot. And no worries about that #1 issue.


well you can always venture into the city and see the sights.. just watch out for the high crime areas, meaning the whole town basically.


I would love to have the coach come to my house and offer my daughter a scholarship so I can tell her I would love to have my daughter be a part of Northwestern lacrosse but the crime rate in Evanston concerns me. You people need to have your heads examined. No one on this site is turning down an opportunity to go to that school. Even the northwestern bashers would love to go or have gone there. School will always be relevant in girls lacrosse no matter what is said here.


Dad, there are 12.5 scholarships for the NU powerlifting team. so its 1/3 off tuition. Hope you have the other 40k per year all banked away. then you're all set. enjoy Chi Town and pack her some mace..
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Yes but the zero percent a kid like yours would get gives mine 2/3 so its not too steep. We all know that your kid would have jumped at the chance to go to one of the highest ranked academic institutions in the country if given the chance knowing she had no chance at seeing the field. In other words stop being such a loser trying to tear down hard working young women and worry about your own kid. I notice cowards like you never say where they went to school or where their kid goes.
NU daddy and Hiller Amonte lover, it is just too much fun to watch you reply over and over. Way too much fun to watch you cling to relevance here on BOTC when you know that it is slipping away both academically and athletically for your princess. You probably pushed her HARD to go there and now you feel the guilt. Its a terrible feeling I bet. I feel bad for you, trying to hold on. Evanston, not too hot. NU, not too hot. Future, not too hot.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NU daddy and Hiller Amonte lover, it is just too much fun to watch you reply over and over. Way too much fun to watch you cling to relevance here on BOTC when you know that it is slipping away both academically and athletically for your princess. You probably pushed her HARD to go there and now you feel the guilt. Its a terrible feeling I bet. I feel bad for you, trying to hold on. Evanston, not too hot. NU, not too hot. Future, not too hot.


Whats even funnier is I do not have a kid in college nor do I want my kid to go to NU but I think when a flaccid moron like you come on here to bash college age girls someone should let you know how pathetic you sound. Let me guess your wife is a fat slob so you pick on the physique of young women to make yourself feel better. Your kid could not get into a top academic or lacrosse school so you degrade these girls because you are embarrassed of yours. Every time you post on here its just an indication of how pathetic you are. your new name will be flaccid little loser, FLL
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 20 and falling fast.


Great! I'd love my daughter to get recruited there. GREAT school, great facilities and great coach. I don't think she could play there if they were #1, but might be able to if they r #10-25. Sounds perfect to me!


Have you ever been there? Evanston? Not so hot. And no worries about that #1 issue.[/quote]

Have you been there?? R u kidding?? Evanston is a great town. As safe as they come and great spot for a college. Has everything, including a short L ride into one of the great cities in our country.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NU daddy and Hiller Amonte lover, it is just too much fun to watch you reply over and over. Way too much fun to watch you cling to relevance here on BOTC when you know that it is slipping away both academically and athletically for your princess. You probably pushed her HARD to go there and now you feel the guilt. Its a terrible feeling I bet. I feel bad for you, trying to hold on. Evanston, not too hot. NU, not too hot. Future, not too hot.


Funny thing is there are lots of responders to you not one. Evanston very hot actually:

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ricas-Best-Cities-to-Live-275456781.html

NU one of the top universities in the country. In fact there is a VERY short list of schools with equal or better academics and locations ... To each their own, but you ought to find another avenue to vent your frustrations.

Which leads to a broader topic: If what your daughter wanted in a school was great academics, a big sports scene and a competitive lacrosse program (let's say upper half of whatever conference they are in), what are some of the places you would look at. What are the pros and cons of each. Anyone with daughters who have had either particularly good or bad experiences at certain places that you could share? Thx



Originally Posted by Anonymous
NU daddy and Hiller Amonte lover, it is just too much fun to watch you reply over and over. Way too much fun to watch you cling to relevance here on BOTC when you know that it is slipping away both academically and athletically for your princess. You probably pushed her HARD to go there and now you feel the guilt. Its a terrible feeling I bet. I feel bad for you, trying to hold on. Evanston, not too hot. NU, not too hot. Future, not too hot.


It's too much fun watching you make a fool of yourself and waste so much of your time over a subject you seem to care so little about (obviously you aren't dealing with your kid's rejection too well:))
^^as one of the moderators said on another thread "Don't Feed The Troll"

Mister Northwestern Hater is the definition of Troll

Ignore him and he will fade into obscurity....
I enjoyed the Syracuse vs USC game this afternoon... The stick checks at the end put a damper on things...I can't see a reason (nor think of any comparable rule in other sports) where the refs need to bring out measuring tape and measure the stringing.. #12 on Syracuse had her stick removed after the refs unwrapped some tape around the shaft... Anyone want to venture a guess what the issue was here.. The commentators were clueless... They thought it was a USC stick.. Even though you could clearly see it said cuse along the shaft..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NU daddy and Hiller Amonte lover, it is just too much fun to watch you reply over and over. Way too much fun to watch you cling to relevance here on BOTC when you know that it is slipping away both academically and athletically for your princess. You probably pushed her HARD to go there and now you feel the guilt. Its a terrible feeling I bet. I feel bad for you, trying to hold on. Evanston, not too hot. NU, not too hot. Future, not too hot.


Whats even funnier is I do not have a kid in college nor do I want my kid to go to NU but I think when a flaccid moron like you come on here to bash college age girls someone should let you know how pathetic you sound. Let me guess your wife is a fat slob so you pick on the physique of young women to make yourself feel better. Your kid could not get into a top academic or lacrosse school so you degrade these girls because you are embarrassed of yours. Every time you post on here its just an indication of how pathetic you are. your new name will be flaccid little loser, FLL


you are so weird..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I enjoyed the Syracuse vs USC game this afternoon... The stick checks at the end put a damper on things...I can't see a reason (nor think of any comparable rule in other sports) where the refs need to bring out measuring tape and measure the stringing.. #12 on Syracuse had her stick removed after the refs unwrapped some tape around the shaft... Anyone want to venture a guess what the issue was here.. The commentators were clueless... They thought it was a USC stick.. Even though you could clearly see it said cuse along the shaft..


The USC/Syracuse game today was highly entertaining, much more so that the Stony Brook/Syracuse game. My opinion on some of your comments.

The stick rules are so complex, starting this year, that the refs have no choice but to break out the measuring tape. I'm not sure what the issue was with #12 of Syracuse but whatever it was it seemed Coach Gait was ticked off at the player more than the refs. The loose tape seems to to have exposed something.

The commentators were clueless. After the stick foul they said they were waiting for Trainor to enter the circle for the draw; it was USC ball by virtue of the stick foul. When play started there was no mention at all. It just wasn't this game either. The NC/ND game commentary was no better.

The pace of this game was great. Both of these teams will do well in the shot clock era to begin next year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
^^as one of the moderators said on another thread "Don't Feed The Troll"

Mister Northwestern Hater is the definition of Troll

Ignore him and he will fade into obscurity....


You can't do it. The worry eats at you. The end is near and NU is done.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NU daddy and Hiller Amonte lover, it is just too much fun to watch you reply over and over. Way too much fun to watch you cling to relevance here on BOTC when you know that it is slipping away both academically and athletically for your princess. You probably pushed her HARD to go there and now you feel the guilt. Its a terrible feeling I bet. I feel bad for you, trying to hold on. Evanston, not too hot. NU, not too hot. Future, not too hot.


Whats even funnier is I do not have a kid in college nor do I want my kid to go to NU but I think when a flaccid moron like you come on here to bash college age girls someone should let you know how pathetic you sound. Let me guess your wife is a fat slob so you pick on the physique of young women to make yourself feel better. Your kid could not get into a top academic or lacrosse school so you degrade these girls because you are embarrassed of yours. Every time you post on here its just an indication of how pathetic you are. your new name will be flaccid little loser, FLL


you are so weird..


I agree this guy used the f word twice. I wouldn't want to use that word and college women's Lacrosse in the same post. Lol.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I enjoyed the Syracuse vs USC game this afternoon... The stick checks at the end put a damper on things...I can't see a reason (nor think of any comparable rule in other sports) where the refs need to bring out measuring tape and measure the stringing.. #12 on Syracuse had her stick removed after the refs unwrapped some tape around the shaft... Anyone want to venture a guess what the issue was here.. The commentators were clueless... They thought it was a USC stick.. Even though you could clearly see it said cuse along the shaft..


The USC/Syracuse game today was highly entertaining, much more so that the Stony Brook/Syracuse game. My opinion on some of your comments.

The stick rules are so complex, starting this year, that the refs have no choice but to break out the measuring tape. I'm not sure what the issue was with #12 of Syracuse but whatever it was it seemed Coach Gait was ticked off at the player more than the refs. The loose tape seems to to have exposed something.

The commentators were clueless. After the stick foul they said they were waiting for Trainor to enter the circle for the draw; it was USC ball by virtue of the stick foul. When play started there was no mention at all. It just wasn't this game either. The NC/ND game commentary was no better.

The pace of this game was great. Both of these teams will do well in the shot clock era to begin next year.


You're right about Gait, #12 never came back in the game even in OT.
I quess that's my point.. Do the stick rules need to be so complex? how much of an advantage is really gained by a 2 inch space over a 1.5 inch space.
Here's the problem with women's lacrosse in college---

D1-3 of the four teams from last year's final four; thanks Penn St!
D3-the same final four as last year
D2-At least someone beat Adelphi, but Florida Southern lost to D3 Hamilton this year (their last loss, in fact)

I don't mind some dominant teams (you always need a bad guy in the mix) but if it's the same teams year in and year out. The sport will not grow.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Here's the problem with women's lacrosse in college---

D1-3 of the four teams from last year's final four; thanks Penn St!
D3-the same final four as last year
D2-At least someone beat Adelphi, but Florida Southern lost to D3 Hamilton this year (their last loss, in fact)

I don't mind some dominant teams (you always need a bad guy in the mix) but if it's the same teams year in and year out. The sport will not grow.


Couldn't agree more. Only 5 different teams have won over the last 25 years. That's terrible for the sport and that's why ratings and attendance are terrible. Somehow more teams need to get into the mix. With the growth of the sport the talent level is even more watered down
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Here's the problem with women's lacrosse in college---

D1-3 of the four teams from last year's final four; thanks Penn St!
D3-the same final four as last year
D2-At least someone beat Adelphi, but Florida Southern lost to D3 Hamilton this year (their last loss, in fact)

I don't mind some dominant teams (you always need a bad guy in the mix) but if it's the same teams year in and year out. The sport will not grow.


Couldn't agree more. Only 5 different teams have won over the last 25 years. That's terrible for the sport and that's why ratings and attendance are terrible. Somehow more teams need to get into the mix. With the growth of the sport the talent level is even more watered down


Even worse, talent very concentrated at the very top (say top 4) and then a group to the top ten and then watered down after that for a HUGE gap. Terrible for the ladies game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NU daddy and Hiller Amonte lover, it is just too much fun to watch you reply over and over. Way too much fun to watch you cling to relevance here on BOTC when you know that it is slipping away both academically and athletically for your princess. You probably pushed her HARD to go there and now you feel the guilt. Its a terrible feeling I bet. I feel bad for you, trying to hold on. Evanston, not too hot. NU, not too hot. Future, not too hot.


Whats even funnier is I do not have a kid in college nor do I want my kid to go to NU but I think when a flaccid moron like you come on here to bash college age girls someone should let you know how pathetic you sound. Let me guess your wife is a fat slob so you pick on the physique of young women to make yourself feel better. Your kid could not get into a top academic or lacrosse school so you degrade these girls because you are embarrassed of yours. Every time you post on here its just an indication of how pathetic you are. your new name will be flaccid little loser, FLL


you are so weird..



I mean yeah it gets rough and no one pulls any punches in here that's fine. but commenting on what a guys tackle is doing or not doing(flaccid) that just crosses way over into the realm of creepy and really gross. get some help.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I enjoyed the Syracuse vs USC game this afternoon... The stick checks at the end put a damper on things...I can't see a reason (nor think of any comparable rule in other sports) where the refs need to bring out measuring tape and measure the stringing.. #12 on Syracuse had her stick removed after the refs unwrapped some tape around the shaft... Anyone want to venture a guess what the issue was here.. The commentators were clueless... They thought it was a USC stick.. Even though you could clearly see it said cuse along the shaft..


The USC/Syracuse game today was highly entertaining, much more so that the Stony Brook/Syracuse game. My opinion on some of your comments.
The stick rules are so complex, starting this year, that the refs have no choice but to break out the measuring tape. I'm not sure what the issue was with #12 of Syracuse but whatever it was it seemed Coach Gait was ticked off at the player more than the refs. The loose tape seems to to have exposed something.

The commentators were clueless. After the stick foul they said they were waiting for Trainor to enter the circle for the draw; it was USC ball by virtue of the stick foul. When play started there was no mention at all. It just wasn't this game either. The NC/ND game commentary was no better.

The pace of this game was great. Both of these teams will do well in the shot clock era to begin next year.


You're right about Gait, #12 never came back in the game even in OT.
I quess that's my point.. Do the stick rules need to be so complex? how much of an advantage is really gained by a 2 inch space over a 1.5 inch space.


Her head was illegal because it didn't have a screw in it. Head was kept on by tape. Don't know what advantage that would giver her, but it was a penalty none the less. Refs can find something wrong with every stick if they look hard enough.
You can bet if it was a disadvantage, she would have fixed it...Why the need for a ruler if it was the screw being illegal?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can bet if it was a disadvantage, she would have fixed it...Why the need for a ruler if it was the screw being illegal?


And there is no equipment kit with screws? Is it like the nerd with tape on his/her glasses?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can bet if it was a disadvantage, she would have fixed it...Why the need for a ruler if it was the screw being illegal?


And there is no equipment kit with screws? Is it like the nerd with tape on his/her glasses?



all the stick challenges and violations was just part of the problem to me. I though the game stunk. lots of standing, horrible zone defense, not an entertaining game at all. the game is less fun every time I watch seems like. maybe its just me..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can bet if it was a disadvantage, she would have fixed it...Why the need for a ruler if it was the screw being illegal?


And there is no equipment kit with screws? Is it like the nerd with tape on his/her glasses?



all the stick challenges and violations was just part of the problem to me. I though the game stunk. lots of standing, horrible zone defense, not an entertaining game at all. the game is less fun every time I watch seems like. maybe its just me..


Game is broken no doubt. Not fun to watch, slower every day, more choppy. Hopefully the speed picks up with the shot clock and its not just a excuse for certain people to pad stats even more. TEAM GAME!!!!!
2016 Rule Change: Appendix B Section 2: Recessed screws must be used to attach the head of a plastic/molded crosse to the handle.

Keyword being RECESSED. Added as of 2016.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can bet if it was a disadvantage, she would have fixed it...Why the need for a ruler if it was the screw being illegal?


And there is no equipment kit with screws? Is it like the nerd with tape on his/her glasses?



all the stick challenges and violations was just part of the problem to me. I though the game stunk. lots of standing, horrible zone defense, not an entertaining game at all. the game is less fun every time I watch seems like. maybe its just me..


Game is broken no doubt. Not fun to watch, slower every day, more choppy. Hopefully the speed picks up with the shot clock and its not just a excuse for certain people to pad stats even more. TEAM GAME!!!!!


how about this? where are the fast breaks any more? SU v USC was just long, gut wrenching clears with ball carriers getting trapped and reversing, plenty of turnovers and steal by the ride. I know good defense counts too but that was pretty ugly
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can bet if it was a disadvantage, she would have fixed it...Why the need for a ruler if it was the screw being illegal?


And there is no equipment kit with screws? Is it like the nerd with tape on his/her glasses?



all the stick challenges and violations was just part of the problem to me. I though the game stunk. lots of standing, horrible zone defense, not an entertaining game at all. the game is less fun every time I watch seems like. maybe its just me..


Game is broken no doubt. Not fun to watch, slower every day, more choppy. Hopefully the speed picks up with the shot clock and its not just a excuse for certain people to pad stats even more. TEAM GAME!!!!!


how about this? where are the fast breaks any more? SU v USC was just long, gut wrenching clears with ball carriers getting trapped and reversing, plenty of turnovers and steal by the ride. I know good defense counts too but that was pretty ugly
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can bet if it was a disadvantage, she would have fixed it...Why the need for a ruler if it was the screw being illegal?


And there is no equipment kit with screws? Is it like the nerd with tape on his/her glasses?



all the stick challenges and violations was just part of the problem to me. I though the game stunk. lots of standing, horrible zone defense, not an entertaining game at all. the game is less fun every time I watch seems like. maybe its just me..


Game is broken no doubt. Not fun to watch, slower every day, more choppy. Hopefully the speed picks up with the shot clock and its not just a excuse for certain people to pad stats even more. TEAM GAME!!!!!


how about this? where are the fast breaks any more? SU v USC was just long, gut wrenching clears with ball carriers getting trapped and reversing, plenty of turnovers and steal by the ride. I know good defense counts too but that was pretty ugly



Do you think the fact that the athletes like every other sport are bigger faster stronger plays a role in how hard these girls ride ?
Everyone loves to come on here and talk and they have very little knowledge
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2016 Rule Change: Appendix B Section 2: Recessed screws must be used to attach the head of a plastic/molded crosse to the handle.

Keyword being RECESSED. Added as of 2016.


and maybe im dense but if it protruded by a 32nd of an inch its dangerous or gives an advantage how? Kindergarten kids getting recruiting, nobody watching the playoffs, kids being held back in for club recruiting, game has never been slower and this is what they are worried about?
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Do you think the fact that the athletes like every other sport are bigger faster stronger plays a role in how hard these girls ride ?
Everyone loves to come on here and talk and they have very little knowledge [/quote]

Simple question, is the game better today than it was a few years ago? I would argue no so the evolution of players and the tactics employed by todays coaches are making the game less enjoyable. Attendance and interest has been going backwards for a decade. That's a problem. The sport needs more than the players moms and dads watching. So I would say bigger stronger players wasn't the answer
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[/quote]


Do you think the fact that the athletes like every other sport are bigger faster stronger plays a role in how hard these girls ride ?
Everyone loves to come on here and talk and they have very little knowledge


Simple question, is the game better today than it was a few years ago? I would argue no so the evolution of players and the tactics employed by todays coaches are making the game less enjoyable. Attendance and interest has been going backwards for a decade. That's a problem. The sport needs more than the players moms and dads watching. So I would say bigger stronger players wasn't the answer [/quote]

Are you saying the sport is better when the players are less athletic/bigger/stronger is the stupidest thing aver. Just amazingly stupid. Is there a word that is ultra-stupid?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can bet if it was a disadvantage, she would have fixed it...Why the need for a ruler if it was the screw being illegal?


And there is no equipment kit with screws? Is it like the nerd with tape on his/her glasses?



all the stick challenges and violations was just part of the problem to me. I though the game stunk. lots of standing, horrible zone defense, not an entertaining game at all. the game is less fun every time I watch seems like. maybe its just me..


Game is broken no doubt. Not fun to watch, slower every day, more choppy. Hopefully the speed picks up with the shot clock and its not just a excuse for certain people to pad stats even more. TEAM GAME!!!!!


I think the shot clock is going to create an even more messy game than we have now. It is a 90 second possession clock; a good ride is going to give teams little time to set up a good offensive look. Result is going to be a lot of crashing to the goal, ill advised shots and turnovers. I've seen trial games with quality players and it is a messy affair. There will be times that the offense will dump the ball past the end line if they can't get a shot off just to let the opposition have an entire field to clear. It's messy.

How about doing away with face guarding? I just love watching a team's best player watch the game from near the sideline.
If the bigger stronger girl can't run like the wind then I will take a less big, less strong girl with speed. Too much plodding and hacking in todays game. No can argue that the game isn't slower today then it used to be.

No one is saying they aren't incredible athletes but for the people arguing that since the girls are "ripped" they are better players is just silly.

Training in the gym non stop and having natural athleticism on the field are two different things
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the bigger stronger girl can't run like the wind then I will take a less big, less strong girl with speed. Too much plodding and hacking in todays game. No can argue that the game isn't slower today then it used to be.

No one is saying they aren't incredible athletes but for the people arguing that since the girls are "ripped" they are better players is just silly.

Training in the gym non stop and having natural athleticism on the field are two different things


You honestly sound clueless. The players today are faster than they used to be its just that the defenders have become equally fast and athletic. Used to be that if you were not fast or skilled enough you play defense not so much now. The coaches want to win so if in their experience training in the gym equates into being better players they will do it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the bigger stronger girl can't run like the wind then I will take a less big, less strong girl with speed. Too much plodding and hacking in todays game. No can argue that the game isn't slower today then it used to be.

No one is saying they aren't incredible athletes but for the people arguing that since the girls are "ripped" they are better players is just silly.

Training in the gym non stop and having natural athleticism on the field are two different things


You honestly sound clueless. The players today are faster than they used to be its just that the defenders have become equally fast and athletic. Used to be that if you were not fast or skilled enough you play defense not so much now. The coaches want to win so if in their experience training in the gym equates into being better players they will do it.


Have you watched many of this years playoff games? Very tough to get through watching a whole game. Coaching is a large part of it but it's still not fun to watch unless you have a rooting interest
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the bigger stronger girl can't run like the wind then I will take a less big, less strong girl with speed. Too much plodding and hacking in todays game. No can argue that the game isn't slower today then it used to be.

No one is saying they aren't incredible athletes but for the people arguing that since the girls are "ripped" they are better players is just silly.

Training in the gym non stop and having natural athleticism on the field are two different things


You honestly sound clueless. The players today are faster than they used to be its just that the defenders have become equally fast and athletic. Used to be that if you were not fast or skilled enough you play defense not so much now. The coaches want to win so if in their experience training in the gym equates into being better players they will do it.


Talk about sounding clueless. Good coaches do not put slow players on defense. Attack is the only position where you can get away with being slow . IQ and good skill can allow a player to excel on Attack with limited speed / quickness . Maybe bad HS and youth coaches put less athletic kids on D but good coaches know the importance of Defense and how difficult it is to play.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the bigger stronger girl can't run like the wind then I will take a less big, less strong girl with speed. Too much plodding and hacking in todays game. No can argue that the game isn't slower today then it used to be.

No one is saying they aren't incredible athletes but for the people arguing that since the girls are "ripped" they are better players is just silly.

Training in the gym non stop and having natural athleticism on the field are two different things


You honestly sound clueless. The players today are faster than they used to be its just that the defenders have become equally fast and athletic. Used to be that if you were not fast or skilled enough you play defense not so much now. The coaches want to win so if in their experience training in the gym equates into being better players they will do it.


Talk about sounding clueless. Good coaches do not put slow players on defense. Attack is the only position where you can get away with being slow . IQ and good skill can allow a player to excel on Attack with limited speed / quickness . Maybe bad HS and youth coaches put less athletic kids on D but good coaches know the importance of Defense and how difficult it is to play.


Your lack of reading comprehension is astounding. Yes todays defenders are ultra athletic which is exactly the point .Watched many a girls lacrosse game in the late 90's and the defensive players were not as athletic, especially when compared to the middies.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can bet if it was a disadvantage, she would have fixed it...Why the need for a ruler if it was the screw being illegal?


And there is no equipment kit with screws? Is it like the nerd with tape on his/her glasses?



all the stick challenges and violations was just part of the problem to me. I though the game stunk. lots of standing, horrible zone defense, not an entertaining game at all. the game is less fun every time I watch seems like. maybe its just me..


Game is broken no doubt. Not fun to watch, slower every day, more choppy. Hopefully the speed picks up with the shot clock and its not just a excuse for certain people to pad stats even more. TEAM GAME!!!!!


I think the shot clock is going to create an even more messy game than we have now. It is a 90 second possession clock; a good ride is going to give teams little time to set up a good offensive look. Result is going to be a lot of crashing to the goal, ill advised shots and turnovers. I've seen trial games with quality players and it is a messy affair. There will be times that the offense will dump the ball past the end line if they can't get a shot off just to let the opposition have an entire field to clear. It's messy.

How about doing away with face guarding? I just love watching a team's best player watch the game from near the sideline.



correct on all counts. the whole notion of shooting space works directly against a shot clock. the fact that theres 10 seconds left doesn't magically mean you have a any type of lane to the goal.. its a joke.

better idea would be ban the zone, make the restraining line higher, and how about 6 in the zone instead of 7?? these girls are all bulked up from deadlifts,squats and benching and there's no room for any offense at all. great players like Traynor can barely get a shot off. its horrible to watch..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can bet if it was a disadvantage, she would have fixed it...Why the need for a ruler if it was the screw being illegal?


And there is no equipment kit with screws? Is it like the nerd with tape on his/her glasses?



all the stick challenges and violations was just part of the problem to me. I though the game stunk. lots of standing, horrible zone defense, not an entertaining game at all. the game is less fun every time I watch seems like. maybe its just me..


Game is broken no doubt. Not fun to watch, slower every day, more choppy. Hopefully the speed picks up with the shot clock and its not just a excuse for certain people to pad stats even more. TEAM GAME!!!!!


I think the shot clock is going to create an even more messy game than we have now. It is a 90 second possession clock; a good ride is going to give teams little time to set up a good offensive look. Result is going to be a lot of crashing to the goal, ill advised shots and turnovers. I've seen trial games with quality players and it is a messy affair. There will be times that the offense will dump the ball past the end line if they can't get a shot off just to let the opposition have an entire field to clear. It's messy.

How about doing away with face guarding? I just love watching a team's best player watch the game from near the sideline.



correct on all counts. the whole notion of shooting space works directly against a shot clock. the fact that theres 10 seconds left doesn't magically mean you have a any type of lane to the goal.. its a joke.

better idea would be ban the zone, make the restraining line higher, and how about 6 in the zone instead of 7?? these girls are all bulked up from deadlifts,squats and benching and there's no room for any offense at all. great players like Traynor can barely get a shot off. its horrible to watch..


I like the game the way it is. The shot clock will help because it will eliminate the stall. I could care less that Traynor can barely get a shot off. Welcome to the world of competition. The defense caught up.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the bigger stronger girl can't run like the wind then I will take a less big, less strong girl with speed. Too much plodding and hacking in todays game. No can argue that the game isn't slower today then it used to be.

No one is saying they aren't incredible athletes but for the people arguing that since the girls are "ripped" they are better players is just silly.

Training in the gym non stop and having natural athleticism on the field are two different things


You honestly sound clueless. The players today are faster than they used to be its just that the defenders have become equally fast and athletic. Used to be that if you were not fast or skilled enough you play defense not so much now. The coaches want to win so if in their experience training in the gym equates into being better players they will do it.


Talk about sounding clueless. Good coaches do not put slow players on defense. Attack is the only position where you can get away with being slow . IQ and good skill can allow a player to excel on Attack with limited speed / quickness . Maybe bad HS and youth coaches put less athletic kids on D but good coaches know the importance of Defense and how difficult it is to play.


Your lack of reading comprehension is astounding. Yes todays defenders are ultra athletic which is exactly the point .Watched many a girls lacrosse game in the late 90's and the defensive players were not as athletic, especially when compared to the middies.


thanks Professor. he's gonna struggle on the SAT reading comp section huh? defense hasn't been fun to watch since the 85 Bears. the game is ugly- muscles, clutching, cross-checking and hacking are just dismal to watch. wrestling is never take seriously.
Your obsession with women with muscles is creepy. Very creepy. The genie is out of the bottle, women will never again be the little China dolls you are so fond of.
"You guys can argue about muscles but the game is a joke. Other sports are laughing at us unless you are a lifelong lacrosse insider and apologist. I just want the game faster and cleaner and played as a team and if that means going to a foul progression system lets do it. Get the hackers out of the game, lets open it and make the game great again" Donald J Trump
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your obsession with women with muscles is creepy. Very creepy. The genie is out of the bottle, women will never again be the little China dolls you are so fond of.


Now that is funny. He is creepy.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can bet if it was a disadvantage, she would have fixed it...Why the need for a ruler if it was the screw being illegal?


And there is no equipment kit with screws? Is it like the nerd with tape on his/her glasses?



all the stick challenges and violations was just part of the problem to me. I though the game stunk. lots of standing, horrible zone defense, not an entertaining game at all. the game is less fun every time I watch seems like. maybe its just me..


Game is broken no doubt. Not fun to watch, slower every day, more choppy. Hopefully the speed picks up with the shot clock and its not just a excuse for certain people to pad stats even more. TEAM GAME!!!!!


I think the shot clock is going to create an even more messy game than we have now. It is a 90 second possession clock; a good ride is going to give teams little time to set up a good offensive look. Result is going to be a lot of crashing to the goal, ill advised shots and turnovers. I've seen trial games with quality players and it is a messy affair. There will be times that the offense will dump the ball past the end line if they can't get a shot off just to let the opposition have an entire field to clear. It's messy.

How about doing away with face guarding? I just love watching a team's best player watch the game from near the sideline.



correct on all counts. the whole notion of shooting space works directly against a shot clock. the fact that theres 10 seconds left doesn't magically mean you have a any type of lane to the goal.. its a joke.

better idea would be ban the zone, make the restraining line higher, and how about 6 in the zone instead of 7?? these girls are all bulked up from deadlifts,squats and benching and there's no room for any offense at all. great players like Traynor can barely get a shot off. its horrible to watch..
Banning an entire defensive scheme, cutting out 2 players, or making the restraining lines further away are all ridiculous ideas. How will any of that help the game? They need to go to a progressive foul system because that will stop the unnecessary hacking used to stop momentum, coaches and players will not be so quick to foul if the know there better players will wind up on the bench. The quick start sucks, make it the same as the men's game. There should be a continuation of play rule, if there is obstruction, they should hang the flag until the scoring play ends, or a shot is taken. Stop penalizing the offense for a defensive mistake. If the shooter takes a dangerous shot in that case it should be a 2 minute unreleasable penalty. Only 3 woman between restraining lines on the draw. Let's see how the 90 second clock works next year.
Great points. Taking the goal back out of the cage after a defensive penalty is the biggest joke. Continuation of a shot in basketball= 3 point play, delayed penalty in hockey, advantage in soccer, throw the flag in football for pass interference, let play play out and have option of accepting the catch or penalty but in girls lacrosse take a goal away and make them re- earn it
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your obsession with women with muscles is creepy. Very creepy. The genie is out of the bottle, women will never again be the little China dolls you are so fond of.


Now that is funny. He is creepy.



you guys are a couple short years from going to your wife and saying 'sorry honey, but I like guys' and in this day and age that will be totally fine. people are ready for this stuff. let it rip.. gonna be fine.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great points. Taking the goal back out of the cage after a defensive penalty is the biggest joke. Continuation of a shot in basketball= 3 point play, delayed penalty in hockey, advantage in soccer, throw the flag in football for pass interference, let play play out and have option of accepting the catch or penalty but in girls lacrosse take a goal away and make them re- earn it



you guys need to exhale. they will NEVER, EVER do anything to encourage shooting while a player without a helmet is in the way. Liability alone will make this completely impossible.

please grasp this. you might as well hope sasquatch starts showing up at the game. this aint basketball.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great points. Taking the goal back out of the cage after a defensive penalty is the biggest joke. Continuation of a shot in basketball= 3 point play, delayed penalty in hockey, advantage in soccer, throw the flag in football for pass interference, let play play out and have option of accepting the catch or penalty but in girls lacrosse take a goal away and make them re- earn it



you guys need to exhale. they will NEVER, EVER do anything to encourage shooting while a player without a helmet is in the way. Liability alone will make this completely impossible.

please grasp this. you might as well hope sasquatch starts showing up at the game. this aint basketball.
You must be kidding right? No matter how many capitals you use, woman are all ready taking these shots with absolutely no penalty to the shooter. If the Reffs are not calling dangerous shots as the defender moves into shooting space, than that shot should count. If the shot is dangerous than, as I said, it should be a 2 minute non releasable. If you want to take it further, if any player takes 2 dangerous shots in any game, it should be an automatic red card with a 1 game suspension. Your right "this aint basketball " because the powers that be that run basketball are smart enough to look at the game and enact rules that move the game along, keep it fan friendly, and keep the players safe, something that lacrosse can't seem to grasp
^^^ have you ever been to a NCAA women's BB game? Nobody there either except mom and dad
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your obsession with women with muscles is creepy. Very creepy. The genie is out of the bottle, women will never again be the little China dolls you are so fond of.


Now that is funny. He is creepy.



you guys are a couple short years from going to your wife and saying 'sorry honey, but I like guys' and in this day and age that will be totally fine. people are ready for this stuff. let it rip.. gonna be fine.


Its not a beauty competition moron and thank goodness because then your wife will still be able to play.
These are excellent points. As stated above here is the conundrum.
If shooting space is called and the player executes the shot then by definition it is a dangerous shot...goal or not.
The problem here is officials NEVER call that scenario a dangerous shot. They simply allow the shooter to take a free position and retake the shot (often times resulting in the same scenario happening again....crazy). In essence the wrong call each and every time.
Now here is the argument that I hear a lot. Because of the speed of the play and the timing of the officials whistle it is usually too late for the shooter to stop herself as the shot motion has already begun when the whistle blows.

My opinion is that the solution is quite simple and two fold.
1-the officials need to call shooting space/obstruction MUCH quicker and 2-the shooter needs to be held responsible for shooting during a shooting space situation.
If the shooter executes a shot AND the official calls shooting space then a yellow should be given and a change of possession should result.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your obsession with women with muscles is creepy. Very creepy. The genie is out of the bottle, women will never again be the little China dolls you are so fond of.


Now that is funny. He is creepy.



you guys are a couple short years from going to your wife and saying 'sorry honey, but I like guys' and in this day and age that will be totally fine. people are ready for this stuff. let it rip.. gonna be fine.


Its not a beauty competition moron and thank goodness because then your wife will still be able to play.


Mature exchange.
You're kidding right?
Originally Posted by The Hop
These are excellent points. As stated above here is the conundrum.
If shooting space is called and the player executes the shot then by definition it is a dangerous shot...goal or not.
The problem here is officials NEVER call that scenario a dangerous shot. They simply allow the shooter to take a free position and retake the shot (often times resulting in the same scenario happening again....crazy). In essence the wrong call each and every time.
Now here is the argument that I hear a lot. Because of the speed of the play and the timing of the officials whistle it is usually too late for the shooter to stop herself as the shot motion has already begun when the whistle blows.


That's not what the officials say , the reason they say it's not called a dangerous shot is that the defensive player was not in shooting space at the initiation of the shot and entered shooting space as the shot was being taken or already released .

My opinion is that the solution is quite simple and two fold.
1-the officials need to call shooting space/obstruction MUCH quicker and 2-the shooter needs to be held responsible for shooting during a shooting space situation.
If the shooter executes a shot AND the official calls shooting space then a yellow should be given and a change of possession should result.
Fit women make great laxers and there muscles are quite sexy
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
These are excellent points. As stated above here is the conundrum.
If shooting space is called and the player executes the shot then by definition it is a dangerous shot...goal or not.
The problem here is officials NEVER call that scenario a dangerous shot. They simply allow the shooter to take a free position and retake the shot (often times resulting in the same scenario happening again....crazy). In essence the wrong call each and every time.
Now here is the argument that I hear a lot. Because of the speed of the play and the timing of the officials whistle it is usually too late for the shooter to stop herself as the shot motion has already begun when the whistle blows.


That's not what the officials say , the reason they say it's not called a dangerous shot is that the defensive player was not in shooting space at the initiation of the shot and entered shooting space as the shot was being taken or already released .

My opinion is that the solution is quite simple and two fold.
1-the officials need to call shooting space/obstruction MUCH quicker and 2-the shooter needs to be held responsible for shooting during a shooting space situation.
If the shooter executes a shot AND the official calls shooting space then a yellow should be given and a change of possession should result.


I agree with calling it quicker but you are taking to whole new level
Originally Posted by The Hop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your obsession with women with muscles is creepy. Very creepy. The genie is out of the bottle, women will never again be the little China dolls you are so fond of.


Now that is funny. He is creepy.



you guys are a couple short years from going to your wife and saying 'sorry honey, but I like guys' and in this day and age that will be totally fine. people are ready for this stuff. let it rip.. gonna be fine.


Its not a beauty competition moron and thank goodness because then your wife will still be able to play.


Mature exchange.
You're kidding right?


Its about as mature as the guy going after young women because he does not like their physical appearance.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your obsession with women with muscles is creepy. Very creepy. The genie is out of the bottle, women will never again be the little China dolls you are so fond of.


Now that is funny. He is creepy.



you guys are a couple short years from going to your wife and saying 'sorry honey, but I like guys' and in this day and age that will be totally fine. people are ready for this stuff. let it rip.. gonna be fine.


Its not a beauty competition moron and thank goodness because then your wife will still be able to play.


Mature exchange.
You're kidding right?


Its about as mature as the guy going after young women because he does not like their physical appearance.
Don't disagree with Hop, if he gets mad at you he'll ban you
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
These are excellent points. As stated above here is the conundrum.
If shooting space is called and the player executes the shot then by definition it is a dangerous shot...goal or not.
The problem here is officials NEVER call that scenario a dangerous shot. They simply allow the shooter to take a free position and retake the shot (often times resulting in the same scenario happening again....crazy). In essence the wrong call each and every time.
Now here is the argument that I hear a lot. Because of the speed of the play and the timing of the officials whistle it is usually too late for the shooter to stop herself as the shot motion has already begun when the whistle blows.


That's not what the officials say , the reason they say it's not called a dangerous shot is that the defensive player was not in shooting space at the initiation of the shot and entered shooting space as the shot was being taken or already released .

My opinion is that the solution is quite simple and two fold.
1-the officials need to call shooting space/obstruction MUCH quicker and 2-the shooter needs to be held responsible for shooting during a shooting space situation.
If the shooter executes a shot AND the official calls shooting space then a yellow should be given and a change of possession should result.


I agree with calling it quicker but you are taking to whole new level


With the advent of the shot clock next season I think a whole new level is required. Simply put ... a shot taken when a shooting space is called is in fact a dangerous shot! I would love to hear an argument otherwise.
Originally Posted by The Hop
These are excellent points. As stated above here is the conundrum.
If shooting space is called and the player executes the shot then by definition it is a dangerous shot...goal or not.
The problem here is officials NEVER call that scenario a dangerous shot. They simply allow the shooter to take a free position and retake the shot (often times resulting in the same scenario happening again....crazy). In essence the wrong call each and every time.
Now here is the argument that I hear a lot. Because of the speed of the play and the timing of the officials whistle it is usually too late for the shooter to stop herself as the shot motion has already begun when the whistle blows.

My opinion is that the solution is quite simple and two fold.
1-the officials need to call shooting space/obstruction MUCH quicker and 2-the shooter needs to be held responsible for shooting during a shooting space situation.
If the shooter executes a shot AND the official calls shooting space then a yellow should be given and a change of possession should result.


Love it..

I constantly remind refs (not to their liking), if a player enters the fan, shows to shoot the shot, the defender slides late but is a further than a stick away, ref calls the shooting space... all is good... I get it. but when/if the player then takes a step and shots after the whistle. it is a dangerous shot every time.

at a recent tournament a ref told me he had more hours on the field than I and the ref gets to determine if it is truly "dangerous" shot. I "nicely" said okay but you got that one wrong! Needless to say the slash to the head of our players didn't get called after that but the in the sphere against our players sure did.

Originally Posted by The Hop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
These are excellent points. As stated above here is the conundrum.
If shooting space is called and the player executes the shot then by definition it is a dangerous shot...goal or not.
The problem here is officials NEVER call that scenario a dangerous shot. They simply allow the shooter to take a free position and retake the shot (often times resulting in the same scenario happening again....crazy). In essence the wrong call each and every time.
Now here is the argument that I hear a lot. Because of the speed of the play and the timing of the officials whistle it is usually too late for the shooter to stop herself as the shot motion has already begun when the whistle blows.


That's not what the officials say , the reason they say it's not called a dangerous shot is that the defensive player was not in shooting space at the initiation of the shot and entered shooting space as the shot was being taken or already released .

My opinion is that the solution is quite simple and two fold.
1-the officials need to call shooting space/obstruction MUCH quicker and 2-the shooter needs to be held responsible for shooting during a shooting space situation.
If the shooter executes a shot AND the official calls shooting space then a yellow should be given and a change of possession should result.


I agree with calling it quicker but you are taking to whole new level


With the advent of the shot clock next season I think a whole new level is required. Simply put ... a shot taken when a shooting space is called is in fact a dangerous shot! I would love to hear an argument otherwise.


If the call is made prior to the player initiating the shot then yes, that said there are times when the call is made too late for the shot to be stopped and in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
These are excellent points. As stated above here is the conundrum.
If shooting space is called and the player executes the shot then by definition it is a dangerous shot...goal or not.
The problem here is officials NEVER call that scenario a dangerous shot. They simply allow the shooter to take a free position and retake the shot (often times resulting in the same scenario happening again....crazy). In essence the wrong call each and every time.
Now here is the argument that I hear a lot. Because of the speed of the play and the timing of the officials whistle it is usually too late for the shooter to stop herself as the shot motion has already begun when the whistle blows.


That's not what the officials say , the reason they say it's not called a dangerous shot is that the defensive player was not in shooting space at the initiation of the shot and entered shooting space as the shot was being taken or already released .

My opinion is that the solution is quite simple and two fold.
1-the officials need to call shooting space/obstruction MUCH quicker and 2-the shooter needs to be held responsible for shooting during a shooting space situation.
If the shooter executes a shot AND the official calls shooting space then a yellow should be given and a change of possession should result.


I agree with calling it quicker but you are taking to whole new level


With the advent of the shot clock next season I think a whole new level is required. Simply put ... a shot taken when a shooting space is called is in fact a dangerous shot! I would love to hear an argument otherwise.


If the call is made prior to the player initiating the shot then yes, that said there are times when the call is made too late for the shot to be stopped and in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot.


Well you actually can. See here is the thing that people don't seem to understand. It is on the SHOOTER not to take the shot if there is someone in the way. It doesn't matter whether shooting space is called or not. So whether the whistle is blown first or not has nothing to do with whether it was a dangerous shot.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
These are excellent points. As stated above here is the conundrum.
If shooting space is called and the player executes the shot then by definition it is a dangerous shot...goal or not.
The problem here is officials NEVER call that scenario a dangerous shot. They simply allow the shooter to take a free position and retake the shot (often times resulting in the same scenario happening again....crazy). In essence the wrong call each and every time.
Now here is the argument that I hear a lot. Because of the speed of the play and the timing of the officials whistle it is usually too late for the shooter to stop herself as the shot motion has already begun when the whistle blows.

My opinion is that the solution is quite simple and two fold.
1-the officials need to call shooting space/obstruction MUCH quicker and 2-the shooter needs to be held responsible for shooting during a shooting space situation.
If the shooter executes a shot AND the official calls shooting space then a yellow should be given and a change of possession should result.


Love it..

I constantly remind refs (not to their liking), if a player enters the fan, shows to shoot the shot, the defender slides late but is a further than a stick away, ref calls the shooting space... all is good... I get it. but when/if the player then takes a step and shots after the whistle. it is a dangerous shot every time.

at a recent tournament a ref told me he had more hours on the field than I and the ref gets to determine if it is truly "dangerous" shot. I "nicely" said okay but you got that one wrong! Needless to say the slash to the head of our players didn't get called after that but the in the sphere against our players sure did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
These are excellent points. As stated above here is the conundrum.
If shooting space is called and the player executes the shot then by definition it is a dangerous shot...goal or not.
The problem here is officials NEVER call that scenario a dangerous shot. They simply allow the shooter to take a free position and retake the shot (often times resulting in the same scenario happening again....crazy). In essence the wrong call each and every time.
Now here is the argument that I hear a lot. Because of the speed of the play and the timing of the officials whistle it is usually too late for the shooter to stop herself as the shot motion has already begun when the whistle blows.

My opinion is that the solution is quite simple and two fold.
1-the officials need to call shooting space/obstruction MUCH quicker and 2-the shooter needs to be held responsible for shooting during a shooting space situation.
If the shooter executes a shot AND the official calls shooting space then a yellow should be given and a change of possession should result.


Love it..

I constantly remind refs (not to their liking), if a player enters the fan, shows to shoot the shot, the defender slides late but is a further than a stick away, ref calls the shooting space... all is good... I get it. but when/if the player then takes a step and shots after the whistle. it is a dangerous shot every time.

at a recent tournament a ref told me he had more hours on the field than I and the ref gets to determine if it is truly "dangerous" shot. I "nicely" said okay but you got that one wrong! Needless to say the slash to the head of our players didn't get called after that but the in the sphere against our players sure did.



A shame you had a negative dialogue with the official and that potentially resulting in some missed calls....

The Obstruction of Shooting space vs Dangerous Propelling/shot/Follow through being called simultaneously or as a continuation would result in offsetting fouls. Possession arrow would then determine whether a change in possession occurs.

Often times these are split second calls made by different "on field " officials who are responsible for different aspects of the game depending on whether they are a lead or trail official.

At the college level, the feeling is that the girls are stronger and thus have better control of their sticks. (With regards to checking-one handed play). They are more precise with their shot placement.

Ultimately there is that fine line between an early whistle, a goal with no whistle and a late whistle that results in a disallowed goal and a free position attempt. One team is usually unhappy depending on the call.

The safety of the players is the most important.

Coaches and Officials should meet to come up with more concrete rules. They have tried with the cross checks and we all see how "strictly enforced" that rule is (NOT!).

To quote Gary Gait, "the rules are gray, don't look for black and white answers".
can someone define what a "Good" shot is. I always thought you needed a clean lane to shot in. the only thing in the way was the goalie in the crease. (if out of the crease then shooting space) and the shot cant be shot.

I always thought you needed to beat your girl clean and have at least your hips clear her hips along with having control of the shot.

To many shots are not clear to the goal even if you have control of the shot. How about those BTB shots in girls arnt they pretty much fundamentally illegal

I was told by ref, girls can shoot if defended upon as long as it isn't a dangerous follow through.

I didn't think you could shoot through your defenders sphere. a ref told me that was legal as long as there was no follow through.

Help!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
These are excellent points. As stated above here is the conundrum.
If shooting space is called and the player executes the shot then by definition it is a dangerous shot...goal or not.
The problem here is officials NEVER call that scenario a dangerous shot. They simply allow the shooter to take a free position and retake the shot (often times resulting in the same scenario happening again....crazy). In essence the wrong call each and every time.
Now here is the argument that I hear a lot. Because of the speed of the play and the timing of the officials whistle it is usually too late for the shooter to stop herself as the shot motion has already begun when the whistle blows.


That's not what the officials say , the reason they say it's not called a dangerous shot is that the defensive player was not in shooting space at the initiation of the shot and entered shooting space as the shot was being taken or already released .

My opinion is that the solution is quite simple and two fold.
1-the officials need to call shooting space/obstruction MUCH quicker and 2-the shooter needs to be held responsible for shooting during a shooting space situation.
If the shooter executes a shot AND the official calls shooting space then a yellow should be given and a change of possession should result.


I agree with calling it quicker but you are taking to whole new level


With the advent of the shot clock next season I think a whole new level is required. Simply put ... a shot taken when a shooting space is called is in fact a dangerous shot! I would love to hear an argument otherwise.


If the call is made prior to the player initiating the shot then yes, that said there are times when the call is made too late for the shot to be stopped and in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot.


Well you actually can. See here is the thing that people don't seem to understand. It is on the SHOOTER not to take the shot if there is someone in the way. It doesn't matter whether shooting space is called or not. So whether the whistle is blown first or not has nothing to do with whether it was a dangerous shot.


Again your reading comprehension is making it difficult . It was in response to a player shooting the ball after shooting space is called and if that should be an automatic dangerous shot penalty , which it should not.
Here is a great explanation and video regarding this issue.

http://www.uslacrosse.org/multimedi...r-shooting-space-in-womens-lacrosse.aspx

If the call is made prior to the player initiating the shot then yes, that said there are times when the call is made too late for the shot to be stopped and in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot.[/quote]

Well you actually can. See here is the thing that people don't seem to understand. It is on the SHOOTER not to take the shot if there is someone in the way. It doesn't matter whether shooting space is called or not. So whether the whistle is blown first or not has nothing to do with whether it was a dangerous shot. [/quote]

Again your reading comprehension is making it difficult . It was in response to a player shooting the ball after shooting space is called and if that should be an automatic dangerous shot penalty , which it should not. [/quote]

Maybe you can't write what you mean? Your quote: "that said there are times when the call is made too late for the shot to be stopped and in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot." --- your statement here is not correct, sorry. You absolutely can call a dangerous shot in that instance. So you want to take another shot at me or do you want to actually learn something?
Originally Posted by The Hop
Here is a great explanation and video regarding this issue.

http://www.uslacrosse.org/multimedi...r-shooting-space-in-womens-lacrosse.aspx

So being the original poster, I will state again, after watching the Video, if a woman is caught in free shooting space but is not in a dangerous shot situation, penalizing the offense for a defensive mistake remains the worst call in any sport I do not care how many capitals you use. If the call gets made the flag should be hung until after the scoring play ends. If a goal is scored than it should stand. If it is saved or missed than an 8 meter should be awarded. Lacrosse has always been a sport ruled by a lot of perception and common sense so all the players, refs and fans know the difference between obstruction and a dangerous shot. Keep the obstruction rule because it's needed, but refine it. Only 3 woman per team between restraining lines during draw. Five major/ minor fouls per game each player then they sit. And for crying out loud if a red card is warranted use it, I have seen some pretty deserving plays, but for some reason the refs are afraid to use them
Originally Posted by The Hop
Here is a great explanation and video regarding this issue.

http://www.uslacrosse.org/multimedi...r-shooting-space-in-womens-lacrosse.aspx



Thanks for this. Years of watching girls' lax and this always confused me and many others in the stands. Maybe you should post this link in its own thread so the younger player crowd can see it.
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by The Hop
Here is a great explanation and video regarding this issue.

http://www.uslacrosse.org/multimedi...r-shooting-space-in-womens-lacrosse.aspx



Thanks for this. Years of watching girls' lax and this always confused me and many others in the stands. Maybe you should post this link in its own thread so the younger player crowd can see it.
After watching this and with an understanding of the rule prior to this, I still say its only called correctly 50% in LI HS games. And when it is called, it decides games.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the call is made prior to the player initiating the shot then yes, that said there are times when the call is made too late for the shot to be stopped and in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot.


Well you actually can. See here is the thing that people don't seem to understand. It is on the SHOOTER not to take the shot if there is someone in the way. It doesn't matter whether shooting space is called or not. So whether the whistle is blown first or not has nothing to do with whether it was a dangerous shot. [/quote]

Again your reading comprehension is making it difficult . It was in response to a player shooting the ball after shooting space is called and if that should be an automatic dangerous shot penalty , which it should not. [/quote]

Maybe you can't write what you mean? Your quote: "that said there are times when the call is made too late for the shot to be stopped and in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot." --- your statement here is not correct, sorry. You absolutely can call a dangerous shot in that instance. So you want to take another shot at me or do you want to actually learn something? [/quote]

Again you prove to have a reading comprehension issue, yes you can call a dangerous shot but its not an automatic call. What you seem to fail to understand is this is in regard to whether a dangerous shot is an automatic call when a ref has called shooting space and a shot gets taken. Try to keep up .Thanks for telling us what "people" don't understand when in fact you are clueless.
Very sad women's lacrosse getting very little playoff play anywhere in the media
women's sports--professional or college--get no play in media...just a fact of life...Maury Povich gets better ratings
The author of the article acknowledges that more often than not... the whistle [for obstruction of free space] blows while the shot is in the air. If thats the case, does blowing the whistle really reduce a defenders risk of injury to any meaningful extent? Wouldnt it improve the game, without significant risk to the safety of defenders, to have the officials hold their whistle, to encourage them to call dangerous propelling if a shot is taken when a defender is obstructing the free space to goal, and to allow a goal to count if the shot is taken when the defender is no longer obstructing the free space to goal?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very sad women's lacrosse getting very little playoff play anywhere in the media


You can't justify putting it on television when no one watches. If you watched the games online, you saw that very few of these games had a lot of fans there. The Stanford- James Madison game had about 50 people watching in that gigantic stadium. I enjoy watching the girls game more than the boys but I'm the minority. Only the final four draws fans and that's a shame.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very sad women's lacrosse getting very little playoff play anywhere in the media


You can't justify putting it on television when no one watches. If you watched the games online, you saw that very few of these games had a lot of fans there. The Stanford- James Madison game had about 50 people watching in that gigantic stadium. I enjoy watching the girls game more than the boys but I'm the minority. Only the final four draws fans and that's a shame.


Same thing with Syracuse. Playing a game in the Carrier Dome, even with 200 fans, is an empty feeling. I've seen regular season games with less than 50 people at The Dome. It's like playing in a cave.

We are all passionate about the sport but it is a niche sport. ESPN3 or ESPNU will stream the games but even the production values, and announcers, are fourth rate. For 99.9% of the student-athletes this is game they finish after graduating. Use the sport as a tool to get your student into the best academic situation; it's certainly not a career.
Syracuse was outclassed and played a dirty game ! That starts w the coaches. I also have to say the way Cathy Reese acted at the end and reading her lips after they scored the late goal was classless!! Also remember a few weeks ago people bragging how Cathy pulls players out when games are "won". Whittle took 5 shots in last 2 minutes up 10. Terrible behavior by both coaches
Went to both games yesterday , did anyone else feel like the officials tend to heavily favor one team over the other in both games . In the UNC -Penn State game it seemed to me they were clearly favoring Penn State. Cuse-Maryland they clearly favored MD . Anyone else feel that way ??
I would be pissed too. Gary's girls wanted to change the orange to yellow. The same way he ended his season the last three years, yellow card row. As for the Syracuse fans in College Park last year. As I said after the win in Syracuse in March. How is the cooking in Philly??? Hope you enjoyed dinner. Have you had enough yet? Syracuse has a good team until they don't get their way. The constant yellow cards once they realize they are going to lose and their fans makes Syracuse easy to root against.
Why do we see 100 check in Sphere? But not one cradling in sphere? They need to make it a piont of emphasis quickly and call it. Players are being taught this as it is never called. The last three years point of emphasis have been against defense. It is time to start calling this. If the stick is on a uncheck able position for 1 second it is turnover. It can pass through the sphere, it can't remain only. The reason for so many checks in sphere is because that is where the stick is being kept.

A emphasis on the sphere rule, make off sides a yellow and shot clock would be three big improvements to this game that just need to be enforced by refs.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse was outclassed and played a dirty game ! That starts w the coaches. I also have to say the way Cathy Reese acted at the end and reading her lips after they scored the late goal was classless!! Also remember a few weeks ago people bragging how Cathy pulls players out when games are "won". Whittle took 5 shots in last 2 minutes up 10. Terrible behavior by both coaches


I watched and I agree, Syracuse did not lose with class, definitely some very hard fouls towards the end.. But I'm sure the late scoring was a response to that.. As far as what Reece was caught saying.. She had her hand up toward her mouth to cover it and was said to an assistant.. Come on what is she supposed to be a saint...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse was outclassed and played a dirty game ! That starts w the coaches. I also have to say the way Cathy Reese acted at the end and reading her lips after they scored the late goal was classless!! Also remember a few weeks ago people bragging how Cathy pulls players out when games are "won". Whittle took 5 shots in last 2 minutes up 10. Terrible behavior by both coaches


I watched and I agree, Syracuse did not lose with class, definitely some very hard fouls towards the end.. But I'm sure the late scoring was a response to that.. As far as what Reece was caught saying.. She had her hand up toward her mouth to cover it and was said to an assistant.. Come on what is she supposed to be a saint...


And if they stall everyone complains about that. Time to put your big girl pants on. These are grown women ( although with all of the Syracuse whining you would never know) Has anyone ever seen more players complaining about calls sheesh!
We can all agree that officiating women's lacrosse is an extremely difficult task. With that said my biggest pet peeve is the "dive" or the drama filled "head grab". Girls are taught by some coaches to do these things and because officials have so much to look at its difficult to distinguish the real foul from the "dive".
I would love to see attention paid to this embellishment with some action against the player similar to hockey where the player can be given a penalty for diving or in this case dropping to the ground as if shot when no one touches them or hardly makes contact.
There was a lot of "diving" during the SU v MD and the UNC v PSU game for sure.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very sad women's lacrosse getting very little playoff play anywhere in the media


You can't justify putting it on television when no one watches. If you watched the games online, you saw that very few of these games had a lot of fans there. The Stanford- James Madison game had about 50 people watching in that gigantic stadium. I enjoy watching the girls game more than the boys but I'm the minority. Only the final four draws fans and that's a shame.


Same thing with Syracuse. Playing a game in the Carrier Dome, even with 200 fans, is an empty feeling. I've seen regular season games with less than 50 people at The Dome. It's like playing in a cave.

We are all passionate about the sport but it is a niche sport. ESPN3 or ESPNU will stream the games but even the production values, and announcers, are fourth rate. For 99.9% of the student-athletes this is game they finish after graduating. Use the sport as a tool to get your student into the best academic situation; it's certainly not a career.
I am one of the rare adults that actually had the pleasure to play lacrosse when I was younger, and I remember being thrilled to see 50 people in the stands to watch us play. That being said, I blame the parents at the younger levels for the slow growth of woman's lax. They are the most obnoxious, selfish fans in any sport. Don't dare not agree with them because they will shame you by calling you a pedophile, or a loser for watching a girls game when they don't have a daughter involved. Not exactly the most welcoming atmosphere. Either that or they're loudly bragging about there kid or screaming like an idiot for them to " go to goal" every time there kid gets a touch. Unbearable! So please don't come on here upset no one goes to games, make it a better place. That and the rules need to be fixed and the refs need to be better.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very sad women's lacrosse getting very little playoff play anywhere in the media


You can't justify putting it on television when no one watches. If you watched the games online, you saw that very few of these games had a lot of fans there. The Stanford- James Madison game had about 50 people watching in that gigantic stadium. I enjoy watching the girls game more than the boys but I'm the minority. Only the final four draws fans and that's a shame.


Same thing with Syracuse. Playing a game in the Carrier Dome, even with 200 fans, is an empty feeling. I've seen regular season games with less than 50 people at The Dome. It's like playing in a cave.

We are all passionate about the sport but it is a niche sport. ESPN3 or ESPNU will stream the games but even the production values, and announcers, are fourth rate. For 99.9% of the student-athletes this is game they finish after graduating. Use the sport as a tool to get your student into the best academic situation; it's certainly not a career.
I am one of the rare adults that actually had the pleasure to play lacrosse when I was younger, and I remember being thrilled to see 50 people in the stands to watch us play. That being said, I blame the parents at the younger levels for the slow growth of woman's lax. They are the most obnoxious, selfish fans in any sport. Don't dare not agree with them because they will shame you by calling you a pedophile, or a loser for watching a girls game when they don't have a daughter involved. Not exactly the most welcoming atmosphere. Either that or they're loudly bragging about there kid or screaming like an idiot for them to " go to goal" every time there kid gets a touch. Unbearable! So please don't come on here upset no one goes to games, make it a better place. That and the rules need to be fixed and the refs need to be better.

Actually women's lacrosse is the fastest growing sport in the US for the past several years as verified by the NCAA.
As for the culture it is quite good with exemptions of course as is with any sport. Women's lacrosse attendance at the final four is great and playoff games and top regular season games are all well attended. HS games here on LI have good attendance numbers as well for the better programs.
If you played lacrosse and enjoy the game then by all means you should attend.
Don't pay attention to the loud mouths just as if you wouldn't if you went to any other sporting event such as football, soccer or baseball. Trust me the mouths attend those events as well!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse was outclassed and played a dirty game ! That starts w the coaches. I also have to say the way Cathy Reese acted at the end and reading her lips after they scored the late goal was classless!! Also remember a few weeks ago people bragging how Cathy pulls players out when games are "won". Whittle took 5 shots in last 2 minutes up 10. Terrible behavior by both coaches


I watched and I agree, Syracuse did not lose with class, definitely some very hard fouls towards the end.. But I'm sure the late scoring was a response to that.. As far as what Reece was caught saying.. She had her hand up toward her mouth to cover it and was said to an assistant.. Come on what is she supposed to be a saint...


What exactly was said by reese?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse was outclassed and played a dirty game ! That starts w the coaches. I also have to say the way Cathy Reese acted at the end and reading her lips after they scored the late goal was classless!! Also remember a few weeks ago people bragging how Cathy pulls players out when games are "won". Whittle took 5 shots in last 2 minutes up 10. Terrible behavior by both coaches


I watched and I agree, Syracuse did not lose with class, definitely some very hard fouls towards the end.. But I'm sure the late scoring was a response to that.. As far as what Reece was caught saying.. She had her hand up toward her mouth to cover it and was said to an assistant.. Come on what is she supposed to be a saint...


What exactly was said by reese?


Agree the late goal was probably in response to the hard fouls at the end. But someone has to step up and be a class act. No one did here. Sad to see.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse was outclassed and played a dirty game ! That starts w the coaches. I also have to say the way Cathy Reese acted at the end and reading her lips after they scored the late goal was classless!! Also remember a few weeks ago people bragging how Cathy pulls players out when games are "won". Whittle took 5 shots in last 2 minutes up 10. Terrible behavior by both coaches


I watched and I agree, Syracuse did not lose with class, definitely some very hard fouls towards the end.. But I'm sure the late scoring was a response to that.. As far as what Reece was caught saying.. She had her hand up toward her mouth to cover it and was said to an assistant.. Come on what is she supposed to be a saint...


What exactly was said by reese?


When the game was out of reach, but Syracuse was fouling hard, an Md player ( whittle?) scored, and the camera caught her dropping an F-bomb, it appeared to me to be a "f-him", (Gait)

I wanted Syracuse to win.. I'll always root for a NY team over Md. But at the end cuse got what they deserved... Embarrassed
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse was outclassed and played a dirty game ! That starts w the coaches. I also have to say the way Cathy Reese acted at the end and reading her lips after they scored the late goal was classless!! Also remember a few weeks ago people bragging how Cathy pulls players out when games are "won". Whittle took 5 shots in last 2 minutes up 10. Terrible behavior by both coaches


I watched and I agree, Syracuse did not lose with class, definitely some very hard fouls towards the end.. But I'm sure the late scoring was a response to that.. As far as what Reece was caught saying.. She had her hand up toward her mouth to cover it and was said to an assistant.. Come on what is she supposed to be a saint...


What exactly was said by reese?


Agree the late goal was probably in response to the hard fouls at the end. But someone has to step up and be a class act. No one did here. Sad to see.


MD certainly could have emptied the bench, by not doing so she made it clear that she wanted to embarrass Cuse and unfortunately they responded by getting very physical. It would seem they both got what they deserved. MD did the same thing to northwestern in a blowout game early in the season, with all her success not sure why the chip on the shoulder?
Will I be able to buy tickets for the women's division 1 championship at the gate or it will be sold out? Considering taking the trip down but don't want to purchase online tonight because we aren't sure yet. Want to sleep on it.
#7 on Syracuse, who picked up the third yellow in that late game stretch, went off the field laughing. I hope that she's a senior and her career is over. Classless.
The refs in championship pro MD already and it is only 10 minutes into it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
#7 on Syracuse, who picked up the third yellow in that late game stretch, went off the field laughing. I hope that she's a senior and her career is over. Classless.


MD players were laughing too, especially Whittle, she looked like she never scored a goal before the way she acted at the end of the game, I found her act just as embarrassing
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The refs in championship pro MD already and it is only 10 minutes into it.


Don't see that but the male announcer is clueless.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
#7 on Syracuse, who picked up the third yellow in that late game stretch, went off the field laughing. I hope that she's a senior and her career is over. Classless.


MD players were laughing too, especially Whittle, she looked like she never scored a goal before the way she acted at the end of the game, I found her act just as embarrassing


Not too many people sad to see Maryland get spanked. Great showing for North Carolina.
I think your right on UNC spanking MD. Also TC was exposed in this game. She is a great player but when ask to play D was very average..surprised. But at the end UNC owned the draw.

UNC a very humble team with great players..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
#7 on Syracuse, who picked up the third yellow in that late game stretch, went off the field laughing. I hope that she's a senior and her career is over. Classless.


MD players were laughing too, especially Whittle, she looked like she never scored a goal before the way she acted at the end of the game, I found her act just as embarrassing


The MD players were laughing because they had never seen a team resort to just hacking and cross-checking at the rate Syracuse was. It was a " can you believe this [lacrosse]....", and then a " yup, take another"......
Congratulations to North Carolina and Middlebury with their championship seasons!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the call is made prior to the player initiating the shot then yes, that said there are times when the call is made too late for the shot to be stopped and in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot.


Well you actually can. See here is the thing that people don't seem to understand. It is on the SHOOTER not to take the shot if there is someone in the way. It doesn't matter whether shooting space is called or not. So whether the whistle is blown first or not has nothing to do with whether it was a dangerous shot.


Again your reading comprehension is making it difficult . It was in response to a player shooting the ball after shooting space is called and if that should be an automatic dangerous shot penalty , which it should not. [/quote]

Maybe you can't write what you mean? Your quote: "that said there are times when the call is made too late for the shot to be stopped and in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot." --- your statement here is not correct, sorry. You absolutely can call a dangerous shot in that instance. So you want to take another shot at me or do you want to actually learn something? [/quote]

Again you prove to have a reading comprehension issue, yes you can call a dangerous shot but its not an automatic call. What you seem to fail to understand is this is in regard to whether a dangerous shot is an automatic call when a ref has called shooting space and a shot gets taken. Try to keep up .Thanks for telling us what "people" don't understand when in fact you are clueless.[/quote]

Nope ... you just apparently can't write what you mean. your quote again "that said there are times when the call is made too late for the shot to be stopped and in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot." To interpret your own words for you, when you say "there are times when a call is made too late for the shot to be stopped" you are saying there are times when shooting space is called late and the shot is taken anyway. Then you go on to say ... "in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot." Which is incorrect. So clueless one you are.

Now on to the subject of whether it should be a held flag. You obviously are not grasping the issue. You do not want to incentivize a shot in that situation. It is very difficult apparently for you to grasp that in women's lacrosse, the responsibility is on the shooter not to shoot when there is someone in the way. Therefore, a goal scored when someone is in the way is not a goal, ok? Go back to your men's game. It's a different game.
Originally Posted by The Hop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very sad women's lacrosse getting very little playoff play anywhere in the media


You can't justify putting it on television when no one watches. If you watched the games online, you saw that very few of these games had a lot of fans there. The Stanford- James Madison game had about 50 people watching in that gigantic stadium. I enjoy watching the girls game more than the boys but I'm the minority. Only the final four draws fans and that's a shame.


Same thing with Syracuse. Playing a game in the Carrier Dome, even with 200 fans, is an empty feeling. I've seen regular season games with less than 50 people at The Dome. It's like playing in a cave.

We are all passionate about the sport but it is a niche sport. ESPN3 or ESPNU will stream the games but even the production values, and announcers, are fourth rate. For 99.9% of the student-athletes this is game they finish after graduating. Use the sport as a tool to get your student into the best academic situation; it's certainly not a career.
I am one of the rare adults that actually had the pleasure to play lacrosse when I was younger, and I remember being thrilled to see 50 people in the stands to watch us play. That being said, I blame the parents at the younger levels for the slow growth of woman's lax. They are the most obnoxious, selfish fans in any sport. Don't dare not agree with them because they will shame you by calling you a pedophile, or a loser for watching a girls game when they don't have a daughter involved. Not exactly the most welcoming atmosphere. Either that or they're loudly bragging about there kid or screaming like an idiot for them to " go to goal" every time there kid gets a touch. Unbearable! So please don't come on here upset no one goes to games, make it a better place. That and the rules need to be fixed and the refs need to be better.

Actually women's lacrosse is the fastest growing sport in the US for the past several years as verified by the NCAA.
As for the culture it is quite good with exemptions of course as is with any sport. Women's lacrosse attendance at the final four is great and playoff games and top regular season games are all well attended. HS games here on LI have good attendance numbers as well for the better programs.
If you played lacrosse and enjoy the game then by all means you should attend.
Don't pay attention to the loud mouths just as if you wouldn't if you went to any other sporting event such as football, soccer or baseball. Trust me the mouths attend those events as well!!!!
I hate to partially disagree but attendance has been down for over a decade at the final four but yes the sport is being added to more institutions
Glad for the upset but still not what the sport needed. Still just 5 schools have won the championship over the last 25 years
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the call is made prior to the player initiating the shot then yes, that said there are times when the call is made too late for the shot to be stopped and in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot.


Well you actually can. See here is the thing that people don't seem to understand. It is on the SHOOTER not to take the shot if there is someone in the way. It doesn't matter whether shooting space is called or not. So whether the whistle is blown first or not has nothing to do with whether it was a dangerous shot.


Again your reading comprehension is making it difficult . It was in response to a player shooting the ball after shooting space is called and if that should be an automatic dangerous shot penalty , which it should not.


Maybe you can't write what you mean? Your quote: "that said there are times when the call is made too late for the shot to be stopped and in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot." --- your statement here is not correct, sorry. You absolutely can call a dangerous shot in that instance. So you want to take another shot at me or do you want to actually learn something? [/quote]

Again you prove to have a reading comprehension issue, yes you can call a dangerous shot but its not an automatic call. What you seem to fail to understand is this is in regard to whether a dangerous shot is an automatic call when a ref has called shooting space and a shot gets taken. Try to keep up .Thanks for telling us what "people" don't understand when in fact you are clueless.[/quote]

Nope ... you just apparently can't write what you mean. your quote again "that said there are times when the call is made too late for the shot to be stopped and in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot." To interpret your own words for you, when you say "there are times when a call is made too late for the shot to be stopped" you are saying there are times when shooting space is called late and the shot is taken anyway. Then you go on to say ... "in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot." Which is incorrect. So clueless one you are.

Now on to the subject of whether it should be a held flag. You obviously are not grasping the issue. You do not want to incentivize a shot in that situation. It is very difficult apparently for you to grasp that in women's lacrosse, the responsibility is on the shooter not to shoot when there is someone in the way. Therefore, a goal scored when someone is in the way is not a goal, ok? Go back to your men's game. It's a different game. [/quote]


"Therefore, a goal scored when someone is in the way is not a goal, ok?"

Wrong again moron. If a shot is taken and the defensive player moves into shooting space after the shot was initiated and or taken it is a goal even though someone is "in the way" . So again you prove yourself to have the reading comprehension issue. Your use of " someone in the way" tells me all I need to know about your understanding of the rules of any sport.
You taking Maryland or the field? Oops. Nevermind.
Got to love all the me first quotes flying around after the win. I'm glad Maryland lost but even in post game coverage not a lot of humble sound bites except from Reese. UNC was very cocky but that is a product of the sport just go to the HS our class threads with everyone thumping their chests. So tough to root for anyone but your own kids.
Guys regarding dangerous shot and if the goal should count...

For the shot to count you will need a play on. For a dangerous shot you will never get a play on the whistle is blown for safety.


I guess the issue is if the whistle was blown. If a whistle is blown and a shot is taken after that.. It is a foul.

If the whistle is blown at the same time a shot occurs or a ball is in flight it is never a goal. You cannot determine when the goalie's attention was taken away from the shot due to the whistle, because in all sports you play to the whistle.

Maybe you can't write what you mean? Your quote: "that said there are times when the call is made too late for the shot to be stopped and in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot." --- your statement here is not correct, sorry. You absolutely can call a dangerous shot in that instance. So you want to take another shot at me or do you want to actually learn something? [/quote]

Again you prove to have a reading comprehension issue, yes you can call a dangerous shot but its not an automatic call. What you seem to fail to understand is this is in regard to whether a dangerous shot is an automatic call when a ref has called shooting space and a shot gets taken. Try to keep up .Thanks for telling us what "people" don't understand when in fact you are clueless.[/quote]

Nope ... you just apparently can't write what you mean. your quote again "that said there are times when the call is made too late for the shot to be stopped and in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot." To interpret your own words for you, when you say "there are times when a call is made too late for the shot to be stopped" you are saying there are times when shooting space is called late and the shot is taken anyway. Then you go on to say ... "in that case you cannot call a dangerous shot." Which is incorrect. So clueless one you are.

Now on to the subject of whether it should be a held flag. You obviously are not grasping the issue. You do not want to incentivize a shot in that situation. It is very difficult apparently for you to grasp that in women's lacrosse, the responsibility is on the shooter not to shoot when there is someone in the way. Therefore, a goal scored when someone is in the way is not a goal, ok? Go back to your men's game. It's a different game. [/quote]


"Therefore, a goal scored when someone is in the way is not a goal, ok?"

Wrong again moron. If a shot is taken and the defensive player moves into shooting space after the shot was initiated and or taken it is a goal even though someone is "in the way" . So again you prove yourself to have the reading comprehension issue. Your use of " someone in the way" tells me all I need to know about your understanding of the rules of any sport.[/quote]

Huh? You really don't understand the rules of this sport, do you? After the shot is initiated? You mean the ball is in the air? Yes if someone moves in after that, it is not shooting space. And, they are not "in the way".

That just is not what you said first time around. So keep changing it. But lets move on. You hopefully are not a coach teaching girls the wrong way to play the sport.

I promise you I know the rules better than you. I coach and ref. You, on the other hand, know just enough to be dangerous, and no more.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guys regarding dangerous shot and if the goal should count...

For the shot to count you will need a play on. For a dangerous shot you will never get a play on the whistle is blown for safety.


I guess the issue is if the whistle was blown. If a whistle is blown and a shot is taken after that.. It is a foul.

If the whistle is blown at the same time a shot occurs or a ball is in flight it is never a goal. You cannot determine when the goalie's attention was taken away from the shot due to the whistle, because in all sports you play to the whistle.



And presumably, if the whistle was blown for shooting space, the shot should not have been taken. Sometimes the refs just physically can't process the call/blow the whistle fast enough. But even in those circumstances, it is shooting space and the goal is waved off. If they weren't waved off, the shooter would be incentivized to shoot when someone was in shooting space. It's difficult for some people to understand this. They figure that it is punishing the offense for a defensive foul. The reality is, the shot should not have been taken in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guys regarding dangerous shot and if the goal should count...

For the shot to count you will need a play on. For a dangerous shot you will never get a play on the whistle is blown for safety.


I guess the issue is if the whistle was blown. If a whistle is blown and a shot is taken after that.. It is a foul.

If the whistle is blown at the same time a shot occurs or a ball is in flight it is never a goal. You cannot determine when the goalie's attention was taken away from the shot due to the whistle, because in all sports you play to the whistle.



And presumably, if the whistle was blown for shooting space, the shot should not have been taken. Sometimes the refs just physically can't process the call/blow the whistle fast enough. But even in those circumstances, it is shooting space and the goal is waved off. If they weren't waved off, the shooter would be incentivized to shoot when someone was in shooting space. It's difficult for some people to understand this. They figure that it is punishing the offense for a defensive foul. The reality is, the shot should not have been taken in the first place.
You keep talking about giving more incentive to top caliber athletes to shoot a shot that they are taking anyway, with no penalty. To the coach/ref on here talking down to people, all I have to say to you is that you're a major part of the problem. As a ref I bet you haven't called more than a handful of dangerous shot penalties. But now you will say you do to CYA, but it n truth, not one parent, coach, player fan or parent can come on here and say they have ever seen any ref make that call with any regularity. So I'm calling BS on you. Let's be real about this, there are varying degrees to this call, so let's use some common sense, if a girl/woman isn't in any danger because of the shot, than the flag should be hung. If the shooter is reckless than not a yellow , but a red card should be given, that would keep these athletes in check. Now we just need refs to actually give reds out, so tell me super ref how many reds have you given, none I bet
I have said before that I am one of the few adult/parents that has had the privilege to actually play lax back in the 80's - 90's on Long Island, so to the rest of you are you also as glad as I am to see both the men and woman's Maryland lacrosse teams, all decked out in that atrocious flag, drag there sticks off the fields in defeat? Does that make me bad?
IWLCA Poll for Division I, May 31
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 North Carolina 20-2 400 20 3
2 Maryland 22-1 380 1
3 Syracuse 19-6 352 4
4 Penn State 14-7 338 11
5 USC 20-1 311 5
6 Florida 18-2 299 2
7 Notre Dame 14-7 287 6
8 Stony Brook 17-4 241 7
9 Penn 15-5 199 14
10 Stanford 15-5 182 9
11 Duke 11-9 169 12
12 Northwestern 11-10 164 10
13 Massachusetts 20-2 163 17
14 Cornell 14-5 160 13
15 Louisville 12-6 108 8
16 Virginia 9-9 86 15
16 Johns Hopkins 11-8 86 20
18 Princeton 11-6 85 16
19 Boston College 10-9 72 18
20 Towson 16-4 59 19
IWLCA Poll for Division II, May 31
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Florida Southern 19-3 399 19 3
2 Adelphi 21-1 381 1 1
3 Le Moyne 18-3 352 2
4 Lindenwood 17-3 346 4
5 LIU Post 17-4 317 5
6 Rollins 15-4 297 7
7 Dowling 17-4 251 9
8 West Chester 17-3 241 8
9 Queens 18-3 232 13
10 Mercyhurst 17-3 226 6
11 New Haven 13-7 218 11
12 Grand Valley State 15-5 212 10
13 Indiana (PA) 13-6 151 12
14 Bentley 13-6 145 14
15 Regis (CO) 15-3 114 15
16 Lock Haven 14-5 90 16
17 Limestone 15-4 82 17
18 East Stroudsburg 12-5 61 18
19 Mount Olive 13-6 34 19
20 Stonehill 9-9 18 20
IWLCA Poll for Division III, May 31
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Middlebury 22-1 400 20 5
2 Trinity (CT) 19-4 379 7
3 Cortland 21-1 357 1
4 F&M 21-3 344 6
5 Salisbury 18-3 305 3
6 Gettysburg 18-3 297 4
7 College of New Jersey 20-2 295 2
8 Amherst 13-5 245 8
9 Brockport 15-4 228 13
10 Catholic (DC) 13-8 180 NR
11 Bates 12-6 139 9
12 Mary Washington 15-5 138 16
13 [lacrosse] 12-7 129 14
14 St. John Fisher 17-4 121 18
15 St. Mary's (MD) 16-4 106 10
16 Colby 12-4 101 11
17 Springfield 16-6 92 NR
18 Messiah 14-6 91 16
19 Hamilton 10-6 76 12
20 Ithaca 14-6 51 NR
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guys regarding dangerous shot and if the goal should count...

For the shot to count you will need a play on. For a dangerous shot you will never get a play on the whistle is blown for safety.


I guess the issue is if the whistle was blown. If a whistle is blown and a shot is taken after that.. It is a foul.

If the whistle is blown at the same time a shot occurs or a ball is in flight it is never a goal. You cannot determine when the goalie's attention was taken away from the shot due to the whistle, because in all sports you play to the whistle.



And presumably, if the whistle was blown for shooting space, the shot should not have been taken. Sometimes the refs just physically can't process the call/blow the whistle fast enough. But even in those circumstances, it is shooting space and the goal is waved off. If they weren't waved off, the shooter would be incentivized to shoot when someone was in shooting space. It's difficult for some people to understand this. They figure that it is punishing the offense for a defensive foul. The reality is, the shot should not have been taken in the first place.
You keep talking about giving more incentive to top caliber athletes to shoot a shot that they are taking anyway, with no penalty. To the coach/ref on here talking down to people, all I have to say to you is that you're a major part of the problem. As a ref I bet you haven't called more than a handful of dangerous shot penalties. But now you will say you do to CYA, but it n truth, not one parent, coach, player fan or parent can come on here and say they have ever seen any ref make that call with any regularity. So I'm calling BS on you. Let's be real about this, there are varying degrees to this call, so let's use some common sense, if a girl/woman isn't in any danger because of the shot, than the flag should be hung. If the shooter is reckless than not a yellow , but a red card should be given, that would keep these athletes in check. Now we just need refs to actually give reds out, so tell me super ref how many reds have you given, none I bet


I'm still not understanding the variation in the call you are talking about. "Hang the flag" under what circumstances? The whole point here is to not reward someone w a goal for taking a shot when someone is in shooting space, whether the ref blew the whistle fast enough or not. If you are then saying that if the shot was taken anyway, there should be more fouls called on the shooter, I don't disagree with that. The other thing that should be called but never seems to be is a yellow card on defense for repetitive fouls if they keep jumping into shooting space.
Does anyone else find it sad that there was so little talk about the sport and this years tournament? We definitely need a jump start. Once everyone's kid signs their LOI, nobody seems to care.
Hearing both Hofstra assistant coaches coaches quit??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hearing both Hofstra assistant coaches coaches quit??
Why would that surprise you? It's a TON of work for very little money. Most asst's at middle to low programs are there as they look to climb the coaching ladder or until they find a real job. And once they find a real job the asst coach schedule doesn't fit anymore.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hearing both Hofstra assistant coaches coaches quit??
Why would that surprise you? It's a TON of work for very little money. Most asst's at middle to low programs are there as they look to climb the coaching ladder or until they find a real job. And once they find a real job the asst coach schedule doesn't fit anymore.



Both are good coaches and will be missed, I'm sure. But, like is said above, assistant coaches move around A LOT. No surprise that this happened, because it happens at every program at every level. I'm actually a little surprised they stayed as long as they did with one program. Good luck to both, I'm sure they'll find a good landing spot. And, now we wait for their replacements to be named. I bet they'll be one or two names we all have heard of. Coaches want to work with SS.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hearing both Hofstra assistant coaches coaches quit??
Why would that surprise you? It's a TON of work for very little money. Most asst's at middle to low programs are there as they look to climb the coaching ladder or until they find a real job. And once they find a real job the asst coach schedule doesn't fit anymore.



Both are good coaches and will be missed, I'm sure. But, like is said above, assistant coaches move around A LOT. No surprise that this happened, because it happens at every program at every level. I'm actually a little surprised they stayed as long as they did with one program. Good luck to both, I'm sure they'll find a good landing spot. And, now we wait for their replacements to be named. I bet they'll be one or two names we all have heard of. Coaches want to work with SS.


I agree if you can say you worked with a top 10 or 20 all time lacrosse great it is a great resume builder whether or not you think she is a great coach. And with SS connections and TG's there is a way to make extra money away from Hofstra
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hearing both Hofstra assistant coaches coaches quit??
Why would that surprise you? It's a TON of work for very little money. Most asst's at middle to low programs are there as they look to climb the coaching ladder or until they find a real job. And once they find a real job the asst coach schedule doesn't fit anymore.



Both are good coaches and will be missed, I'm sure. But, like is said above, assistant coaches move around A LOT. No surprise that this happened, because it happens at every program at every level. I'm actually a little surprised they stayed as long as they did with one program. Good luck to both, I'm sure they'll find a good landing spot. And, now we wait for their replacements to be named. I bet they'll be one or two names we all have heard of. Coaches want to work with SS.


I agree if you can say you worked with a top 10 or 20 all time lacrosse great it is a great resume builder whether or not you think she is a great coach. And with SS connections and TG's there is a way to make extra money away from Hofstra



Not all great players make great coaches, but I think SS has the desire to learn how to be a great coach. She is still in her coaching infancy, still learning.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hearing both Hofstra assistant coaches coaches quit??
Why would that surprise you? It's a TON of work for very little money. Most asst's at middle to low programs are there as they look to climb the coaching ladder or until they find a real job. And once they find a real job the asst coach schedule doesn't fit anymore.



Both are good coaches and will be missed, I'm sure. But, like is said above, assistant coaches move around A LOT. No surprise that this happened, because it happens at every program at every level. I'm actually a little surprised they stayed as long as they did with one program. Good luck to both, I'm sure they'll find a good landing spot. And, now we wait for their replacements to be named. I bet they'll be one or two names we all have heard of. Coaches want to work with SS.


That's one opinion, I have heard that she is very difficult to work with and treats coaches and players poorly
Great players make great coaches. And by that I mean having great players. You need the horses to win consistently, and that means being a good recruiter. I think the jury is still out on Shannon in that component of her job. Does she know the game, absolutely, but she needs to prove she can identify and land the blue chippers.
I am going to be watching Katrina Dowd for the same thing. Unreal talent as a player but I am curious to see if she can draw kids to Eugene, Ore.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hearing both Hofstra assistant coaches coaches quit??
Why would that surprise you? It's a TON of work for very little money. Most asst's at middle to low programs are there as they look to climb the coaching ladder or until they find a real job. And once they find a real job the asst coach schedule doesn't fit anymore.



Both are good coaches and will be missed, I'm sure. But, like is said above, assistant coaches move around A LOT. No surprise that this happened, because it happens at every program at every level. I'm actually a little surprised they stayed as long as they did with one program. Good luck to both, I'm sure they'll find a good landing spot. And, now we wait for their replacements to be named. I bet they'll be one or two names we all have heard of. Coaches want to work with SS.


That's one opinion, I have heard that she is very difficult to work with and treats coaches and players poorly


Spoken like a true YJ'er. I know girls on the team and their opinion is exactly the opposite. But, the "spin" that YJ'ers like to spew is that she's difficult and hard. They're badmouth her because CR tells them to, and we all know they all do exactly like the great CR dictates or else Lttle Susie will not make YJ 8th team. Jeez!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hearing both Hofstra assistant coaches coaches quit??
Why would that surprise you? It's a TON of work for very little money. Most asst's at middle to low programs are there as they look to climb the coaching ladder or until they find a real job. And once they find a real job the asst coach schedule doesn't fit anymore.



Both are good coaches and will be missed, I'm sure. But, like is said above, assistant coaches move around A LOT. No surprise that this happened, because it happens at every program at every level. I'm actually a little surprised they stayed as long as they did with one program. Good luck to both, I'm sure they'll find a good landing spot. And, now we wait for their replacements to be named. I bet they'll be one or two names we all have heard of. Coaches want to work with SS.


That's one opinion, I have heard that she is very difficult to work with and treats coaches and players poorly


Spoken like a true YJ'er. I know girls on the team and their opinion is exactly the opposite. But, the "spin" that YJ'ers like to spew is that she's difficult and hard. They're badmouth her because CR tells them to, and we all know they all do exactly like the great CR dictates or else Lttle Susie will not make YJ 8th team. Jeez!
I do not now, nor have I ever had a daughter play for either TG or YJ. I was at a Hofstra game this year and was talking to a parent of a girl on Hofstra, She confirmed to me everything I was told about SS was true, and that it was even worse than what I was told. I personally don't care because My daughter does not play for her (thank God), but to say that CR has told anyone disparage SS is unneeded, she is doing to herself. What I do believe is that the Hofstra players and parents were "encouraged" to try to deflect what is really happening in Hempstead
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hearing both Hofstra assistant coaches coaches quit??
Why would that surprise you? It's a TON of work for very little money. Most asst's at middle to low programs are there as they look to climb the coaching ladder or until they find a real job. And once they find a real job the asst coach schedule doesn't fit anymore.



Both are good coaches and will be missed, I'm sure. But, like is said above, assistant coaches move around A LOT. No surprise that this happened, because it happens at every program at every level. I'm actually a little surprised they stayed as long as they did with one program. Good luck to both, I'm sure they'll find a good landing spot. And, now we wait for their replacements to be named. I bet they'll be one or two names we all have heard of. Coaches want to work with SS.


That's one opinion, I have heard that she is very difficult to work with and treats coaches and players poorly


Spoken like a true YJ'er. I know girls on the team and their opinion is exactly the opposite. But, the "spin" that YJ'ers like to spew is that she's difficult and hard. They're badmouth her because CR tells them to, and we all know they all do exactly like the great CR dictates or else Lttle Susie will not make YJ 8th team. Jeez!
I do not now, nor have I ever had a daughter play for either TG or YJ. I was at a Hofstra game this year and was talking to a parent of a girl on Hofstra, She confirmed to me everything I was told about SS was true, and that it was even worse than what I was told. I personally don't care because My daughter does not play for her (thank God), but to say that CR has told anyone disparage SS is unneeded, she is doing to herself. What I do believe is that the Hofstra players and parents were "encouraged" to try to deflect what is really happening in Hempstead



My guess then is that that player probably doesn't play at Hofstra anymore, right? There's one or two of those payers on every team in every sport at every level. Always one or two or three who aren't happy with playing time or whatever. If she's still there then its probably not as bad as mommy said.
My daughter plays for SS and she will tell you that she is tough on them. My daughter respects her and tells me that every practice she learns something that makes her a better Lacrosse player. What more could you want.
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My daughter plays for SS and she will tell you that she is tough on them. My daughter respects her and tells me that every practice she learns something that makes her a better Lacrosse player. What more could you want.



Exactly! This is the kind of first-hand info that the YJ lemmings hate to hear, because it is factual (A term he YJ aren't familiar with). So what if SS is tough! She's a head coach for a NCAA Division 1 team. This isn't a church league where everybody gets a trophy. Its hard work, and its supporters to be tough. More power to her. The success of her UWLX team is indicative of how she is growing as a coach and can only help her and the Pride as they go forward.
She's canned after this year. This experiment is over. Just because she was a great player does not elevate her to div 1 coach right out of college. Too young and not enough experience, very hard to be head coach with girls your same age. PM from AU wants that job and is already working his angles. SS better have a [lacrosse] of a year or she is gone.
Not sure she'll get canned...only young coach that happened to was KB-R due to immaturity and bullying.
I don't think she will be canned either. Regardless of what the YJ people are saying, and regardless of what a disgruntled player is saying, she's liked by her players who are mature enough to understand that she is tough on them for a reason. She's tough but fair. I'll take that philosophy from a head coach every time.
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I don't think she will be canned either. Regardless of what the YJ people are saying, and regardless of what a disgruntled player is saying, she's liked by her players who are mature enough to understand that she is tough on them for a reason. She's tough but fair. I'll take that philosophy from a head coach every time.


Its not coming from a YJ parent it is coming from a Liberty Parent.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think she will be canned either. Regardless of what the YJ people are saying, and regardless of what a disgruntled player is saying, she's liked by her players who are mature enough to understand that she is tough on them for a reason. She's tough but fair. I'll take that philosophy from a head coach every time.
Tough but fair is one thing , 6 hour practice because you lost is not only against NCAA rules but punitive, Burning practice gear and play books isn't tough or fair, thats just crazy
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughter plays for SS and she will tell you that she is tough on them. My daughter respects her and tells me that every practice she learns something that makes her a better Lacrosse player. What more could you want.



Exactly! This is the kind of first-hand info that the YJ lemmings hate to hear, because it is factual (A term he YJ aren't familiar with). So what if SS is tough! She's a head coach for a NCAA Division 1 team. This isn't a church league where everybody gets a trophy. Its hard work, and its supporters to be tough. More power to her. The success of her UWLX team is indicative of how she is growing as a coach and can only help her and the Pride as they go forward.


She needs to teach them everything that they never learned at TG
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughter plays for SS and she will tell you that she is tough on them. My daughter respects her and tells me that every practice she learns something that makes her a better Lacrosse player. What more could you want.



Exactly! This is the kind of first-hand info that the YJ lemmings hate to hear, because it is factual (A term he YJ aren't familiar with). So what if SS is tough! She's a head coach for a NCAA Division 1 team. This isn't a church league where everybody gets a trophy. Its hard work, and its supporters to be tough. More power to her. The success of her UWLX team is indicative of how she is growing as a coach and can only help her and the Pride as they go forward.


She needs to teach them everything that they never learned at TG



Now that is hilarious!! And as a TG parent absolutely true! What people might not realize is how difficult she can make it to leave the team, she needs to sign a release if a player wants to play in another school. Those who have given a verbal are the ones who are starting to look elsewhere and they should. Those who stay and are not happy will be faking injuries- this way you still get the $$$ but don't have to be subject to Col. Nathan Jessep
Ah...uninformed YJ Parent...its an NCAA regulation that a coach has to "sign a release" from the scholarship if a player wants to play at another school. Its not her regulation. And, why should any coach make it easy to leave a team? They put in the work to get you to their school, so I wouldn't let a player just walk away either. You want them to stay with your program, unless they are a "cancer" to your team, then you happily let them go.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughter plays for SS and she will tell you that she is tough on them. My daughter respects her and tells me that every practice she learns something that makes her a better Lacrosse player. What more could you want.



Exactly! This is the kind of first-hand info that the YJ lemmings hate to hear, because it is factual (A term he YJ aren't familiar with). So what if SS is tough! She's a head coach for a NCAA Division 1 team. This isn't a church league where everybody gets a trophy. Its hard work, and its supporters to be tough. More power to her. The success of her UWLX team is indicative of how she is growing as a coach and can only help her and the Pride as they go forward.


She needs to teach them everything that they never learned at TG



Now that is hilarious!! And as a TG parent absolutely true! What people might not realize is how difficult she can make it to leave the team, she needs to sign a release if a player wants to play in another school. Those who have given a verbal are the ones who are starting to look elsewhere and they should. Those who stay and are not happy will be faking injuries- this way you still get the $$$ but don't have to be subject to Col. Nathan Jessep



You can't handle the truth.
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Ah...uninformed YJ Parent...its an NCAA regulation that a coach has to "sign a release" from the scholarship if a player wants to play at another school. Its not her regulation. And, why should any coach make it easy to leave a team? They put in the work to get you to their school, so I wouldn't let a player just walk away either. You want them to stay with your program, unless they are a "cancer" to your team, then you happily let them go.


Coach will usually let player leave as long as transferring to out of conference school. If original school is a top 20 team, coach may not sign release to allow player to leave for another top 20 team.

Grass isn't always greener. D1 sports is competitive. SS had many players do well since her tenure began at Hofstra. College athletics isn't for everyone. Sometimes coaches yell, sometimes players get benched. D1 coaches (and fans) expect effort and results. Coaches have to make adjustments in order to achieve results and maximize effort. Hofstra had many injuries this past season. Had to use many players that really weren't ready to play at D1 level and many others who played out of position. They will be fine moving forward. They will get new players and coaches and they will be energized.
Any news on Stony Brook or Hofstra ? How are there incoming classes?
Great hire by Dartmouth. Danielle Spencer is a great coach and person. Dartmouth all of a sudden becomes a prime destination again. The old coach was definitely a hindrance to recruiting many great players recently to Hanover (despite what some of the former players have said).
Like SS as a person and a coach but too many obstacles for Hofstra to teach their potential and in the end a bad hire by Hofstra. Here are a few.
1) Seemed like a nice idea to bring in the local girl but in the end a big name from Maryland or Jersey would have been better in that it would possibly have drawn some from their region
2) YJ still the biggest club with the most top players . Those players do not want to play for her so from the small pool on Long Island she is recruiting from the shallow end . Schools like MD etc are recruiting from the ocean.
3)Stony Brook , for those who want to stay near home or have come home SB price tag is better , education is better , lacrosse team is better , putting more into building athletic teams and facilities.
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Like SS as a person and a coach but too many obstacles for Hofstra to teach their potential and in the end a bad hire by Hofstra. Here are a few.
1) Seemed like a nice idea to bring in the local girl but in the end a big name from Maryland or Jersey would have been better in that it would possibly have drawn some from their region
2) YJ still the biggest club with the most top players . Those players do not want to play for her so from the small pool on Long Island she is recruiting from the shallow end . Schools like MD etc are recruiting from the ocean.
3)Stony Brook , for those who want to stay near home or have come home SB price tag is better , education is better , lacrosse team is better , putting more into building athletic teams and facilities.


Administration at Hofstra hates sports. Have you been to that stadium lately? Getting dumpier and dumpier every day. I bet they can't wait to bulldoze the place.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like SS as a person and a coach but too many obstacles for Hofstra to teach their potential and in the end a bad hire by Hofstra. Here are a few.
1) Seemed like a nice idea to bring in the local girl but in the end a big name from Maryland or Jersey would have been better in that it would possibly have drawn some from their region
2) YJ still the biggest club with the most top players . Those players do not want to play for her so from the small pool on Long Island she is recruiting from the shallow end . Schools like MD etc are recruiting from the ocean.
3)Stony Brook , for those who want to stay near home or have come home SB price tag is better , education is better , lacrosse team is better , putting more into building athletic teams and facilities.


Administration at Hofstra hates sports. Have you been to that stadium lately? Getting dumpier and dumpier every day. I bet they can't wait to bulldoze the place.

Any chance SS takes a demotion to go assist Amonte-Hiller at NU in order to reset her career?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like SS as a person and a coach but too many obstacles for Hofstra to teach their potential and in the end a bad hire by Hofstra. Here are a few.
1) Seemed like a nice idea to bring in the local girl but in the end a big name from Maryland or Jersey would have been better in that it would possibly have drawn some from their region
2) YJ still the biggest club with the most top players . Those players do not want to play for her so from the small pool on Long Island she is recruiting from the shallow end . Schools like MD etc are recruiting from the ocean.
3)Stony Brook , for those who want to stay near home or have come home SB price tag is better , education is better , lacrosse team is better , putting more into building athletic teams and facilities.


Administration at Hofstra hates sports. Have you been to that stadium lately? Getting dumpier and dumpier every day. I bet they can't wait to bulldoze the place.

Any chance SS takes a demotion to go assist Amonte-Hiller at NU in order to reset her career?


She makes more money from Tg than she can ever get paid by Hofstra or any other school - at the end of the day nobody cares about women's lax other than those playing and their parents
Yep...no chance she leaves for an assistant spot. Between TG and Hofstra she's doing okay.
OK so she is 25 and runs TG, is a D1 head coach and coached the new pro team....adn people are talking about her "reviving her career?" Seriously??
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OK so she is 25 and runs TG, is a D1 head coach and coached the new pro team....adn people are talking about her "reviving her career?" Seriously??

She's laughing all the way to the bank. But she is burning bridges as she goes and eventually her playing reputation will only go so far. Eventually she will have to have some success at Hofstra with her own girls.

The woman's pro team is also a joke if you are comparing it to other sports, no real secret to coaching the team. Just show up at the game which is also at the site of your TG tourn (most of the time). The girls get paid nothing and take a net loss when it is all said and done.
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OK so she is 25 and runs TG, is a D1 head coach and coached the new pro team....adn people are talking about her "reviving her career?" Seriously??

She's laughing all the way to the bank. But she is burning bridges as she goes and eventually her playing reputation will only go so far. Eventually she will have to have some success at Hofstra with her own girls.

The woman's pro team is also a joke if you are comparing it to other sports, no real secret to coaching the team. Just show up at the game which is also at the site of your TG tourn (most of the time). The girls get paid nothing and take a net loss when it is all said and done.



I don't think she's laughing all the way to the bank, but like all of us, she has bills to pay. As far as coaching the UWLX team, the games are held at the site of different tournaments, not necessarily TG tournaments. And, here's a novel concept about the UWLX...Maybe the girls are playing because they just love to play. Maybe, just maybe the money part is secondary to them. And yes, it probably is easy coaching them.
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Any chance SS takes a demotion to go assist Amonte-Hiller at NU in order to reset her career? [/quote]

She makes more money from Tg than she can ever get paid by Hofstra or any other school - at the end of the day nobody cares about women's lax other than those playing and their parents [/quote]

And that's what wrong with the sport. Club rules everything including US Lax. You are right TG and YJ and... are printing money to place most girls at mediocre academic institutions with so so lacrosse. The handful born with ability would do just fine without club lacrosse. The bottom 95% are being taken for a ride. Plus there is way more security from parents willing to pay then a college that might grow tired of the losses
Originally Posted by Anonymous
quote]
Any chance SS takes a demotion to go assist Amonte-Hiller at NU in order to reset her career?


She makes more money from Tg than she can ever get paid by Hofstra or any other school - at the end of the day nobody cares about women's lax other than those playing and their parents [/quote]

And that's what wrong with the sport. Club rules everything including US Lax. You are right TG and YJ and... are printing money to place most girls at mediocre academic institutions with so so lacrosse. The handful born with ability would do just fine without club lacrosse. The bottom 95% are being taken for a ride. Plus there is way more security from parents willing to pay then a college that might grow tired of the losses [/quote]

Others are jumping onto the bandwagon - Amonte has "WildCats Elite" out of Chicago and Gait just stared his own club in the Syracuse area - follow the money
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
quote]
Any chance SS takes a demotion to go assist Amonte-Hiller at NU in order to reset her career?


She makes more money from Tg than she can ever get paid by Hofstra or any other school - at the end of the day nobody cares about women's lax other than those playing and their parents


And that's what wrong with the sport. Club rules everything including US Lax. You are right TG and YJ and... are printing money to place most girls at mediocre academic institutions with so so lacrosse. The handful born with ability would do just fine without club lacrosse. The bottom 95% are being taken for a ride. Plus there is way more security from parents willing to pay then a college that might grow tired of the losses [/quote]

Others are jumping onto the bandwagon - Amonte has "WildCats Elite" out of Chicago and Gait just stared his own club in the Syracuse area - follow the money [/quote]

Amonte has so many kids begging to get in that she has a 50 mile distance requirement. She is doing less teams but charging a ton
these coaches have made so much money they actually travel to different states to run camps.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
quote]
Any chance SS takes a demotion to go assist Amonte-Hiller at NU in order to reset her career?


She makes more money from Tg than she can ever get paid by Hofstra or any other school - at the end of the day nobody cares about women's lax other than those playing and their parents


And that's what wrong with the sport. Club rules everything including US Lax. You are right TG and YJ and... are printing money to place most girls at mediocre academic institutions with so so lacrosse. The handful born with ability would do just fine without club lacrosse. The bottom 95% are being taken for a ride. Plus there is way more security from parents willing to pay then a college that might grow tired of the losses [/quote]

Others are jumping onto the bandwagon - Amonte has "WildCats Elite" out of Chicago and Gait just stared his own club in the Syracuse area - follow the money[/quote]

I think "jumping on the bandwagon" when referring to Amonte-Hiller is misplaced. First of all, she has had Wildcat Elite for a long time. Secondly, it is very small. I think it may only be 1 or 2 age groups. She makes plenty of money thru coaching, camps and endorsements. She doesn't run the Wildcat Elite program for monetary reasons. She has been probably the single most influential person in spreading the women's lacrosse game west from the east coast and continues to influence the growth of the game. Some people aren't all about the money, and Wildcat Elite is much more about spreading the love of the game, than making money. Sorry, just had to point out that there are passionate, well-intentioned people out there as well. I'm not saying she isn't hyper-competitive, she is, but it isn't always, or even often, about the money to some people.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
quote]
Any chance SS takes a demotion to go assist Amonte-Hiller at NU in order to reset her career?


She makes more money from Tg than she can ever get paid by Hofstra or any other school - at the end of the day nobody cares about women's lax other than those playing and their parents


And that's what wrong with the sport. Club rules everything including US Lax. You are right TG and YJ and... are printing money to place most girls at mediocre academic institutions with so so lacrosse. The handful born with ability would do just fine without club lacrosse. The bottom 95% are being taken for a ride. Plus there is way more security from parents willing to pay then a college that might grow tired of the losses


Others are jumping onto the bandwagon - Amonte has "WildCats Elite" out of Chicago and Gait just stared his own club in the Syracuse area - follow the money [/quote]

Amonte has so many kids begging to get in that she has a 50 mile distance requirement. She is doing less teams but charging a ton [/quote]


The "50 mile radius" is a requirement by the NCAA which any college coach who starts a club program has to abide by.

As far as Shannon Smith and Hofstra goes winning at an average academic private college with the way the NCAA restrictions are is next to impossible. You are only able to give out 12 scholarships which means you have to convince players and families to fork out a good chunk of money to come play at your school. The Ivys(or that level of school) and state schools have huge advantage.
Kayla Treanor coaching at Harvard. That is pretty cool.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
quote]
Any chance SS takes a demotion to go assist Amonte-Hiller at NU in order to reset her career?


She makes more money from Tg than she can ever get paid by Hofstra or any other school - at the end of the day nobody cares about women's lax other than those playing and their parents


And that's what wrong with the sport. Club rules everything including US Lax. You are right TG and YJ and... are printing money to place most girls at mediocre academic institutions with so so lacrosse. The handful born with ability would do just fine without club lacrosse. The bottom 95% are being taken for a ride. Plus there is way more security from parents willing to pay then a college that might grow tired of the losses


Others are jumping onto the bandwagon - Amonte has "WildCats Elite" out of Chicago and Gait just stared his own club in the Syracuse area - follow the money


Amonte has so many kids begging to get in that she has a 50 mile distance requirement. She is doing less teams but charging a ton [/quote]


The "50 mile radius" is a requirement by the NCAA which any college coach who starts a club program has to abide by.

As far as Shannon Smith and Hofstra goes winning at an average academic private college with the way the NCAA restrictions are is next to impossible. You are only able to give out 12 scholarships which means you have to convince players and families to fork out a good chunk of money to come play at your school. The Ivys(or that level of school) and state schools have huge advantage. [/quote]

Hofstra is not fully funded. They do not have the full 12 scholarships. Thats why she needs to have those terrible 7 on 7 tournaments in the fall on campus. She is raising money for her program. Shes been doing it since she got the job.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
quote]
Any chance SS takes a demotion to go assist Amonte-Hiller at NU in order to reset her career?


She makes more money from Tg than she can ever get paid by Hofstra or any other school - at the end of the day nobody cares about women's lax other than those playing and their parents


And that's what wrong with the sport. Club rules everything including US Lax. You are right TG and YJ and... are printing money to place most girls at mediocre academic institutions with so so lacrosse. The handful born with ability would do just fine without club lacrosse. The bottom 95% are being taken for a ride. Plus there is way more security from parents willing to pay then a college that might grow tired of the losses


Others are jumping onto the bandwagon - Amonte has "WildCats Elite" out of Chicago and Gait just stared his own club in the Syracuse area - follow the money[/quote]

I think "jumping on the bandwagon" when referring to Amonte-Hiller is misplaced. First of all, she has had Wildcat Elite for a long time. Secondly, it is very small. I think it may only be 1 or 2 age groups. She makes plenty of money thru coaching, camps and endorsements. She doesn't run the Wildcat Elite program for monetary reasons. She has been probably the single most influential person in spreading the women's lacrosse game west from the east coast and continues to influence the growth of the game. Some people aren't all about the money, and Wildcat Elite is much more about spreading the love of the game, than making money. Sorry, just had to point out that there are passionate, well-intentioned people out there as well. I'm not saying she isn't hyper-competitive, she is, but it isn't always, or even often, about the money to some people. [/quote]

Are you serious? It's always about the money - camps, clinincs, videos, tournaments, all being done in variety of states all year round by Amonte and company. When amonte and gait see carol rose generating over a million dollars in revenues every year with YJ and the Smiths close behind with TG every year, add in M&D, T3, Steps, etc. and it's too much money for them to leave on the table. Not to mention I'm sure that they think they can do it better and have the name recognition to take the club money machine to another level. I think that altruism is at the bottom of the list, if it's on it at all
I think Hofstra is a fully funded program but I can't find the data to back it up. Where did you find the data? Can you please post the link?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
quote]
Any chance SS takes a demotion to go assist Amonte-Hiller at NU in order to reset her career?


She makes more money from Tg than she can ever get paid by Hofstra or any other school - at the end of the day nobody cares about women's lax other than those playing and their parents


And that's what wrong with the sport. Club rules everything including US Lax. You are right TG and YJ and... are printing money to place most girls at mediocre academic institutions with so so lacrosse. The handful born with ability would do just fine without club lacrosse. The bottom 95% are being taken for a ride. Plus there is way more security from parents willing to pay then a college that might grow tired of the losses


Others are jumping onto the bandwagon - Amonte has "WildCats Elite" out of Chicago and Gait just stared his own club in the Syracuse area - follow the money


I think "jumping on the bandwagon" when referring to Amonte-Hiller is misplaced. First of all, she has had Wildcat Elite for a long time. Secondly, it is very small. I think it may only be 1 or 2 age groups. She makes plenty of money thru coaching, camps and endorsements. She doesn't run the Wildcat Elite program for monetary reasons. She has been probably the single most influential person in spreading the women's lacrosse game west from the east coast and continues to influence the growth of the game. Some people aren't all about the money, and Wildcat Elite is much more about spreading the love of the game, than making money. Sorry, just had to point out that there are passionate, well-intentioned people out there as well. I'm not saying she isn't hyper-competitive, she is, but it isn't always, or even often, about the money to some people. [/quote]

Are you serious? It's always about the money - camps, clinincs, videos, tournaments, all being done in variety of states all year round by Amonte and company. When amonte and gait see carol rose generating over a million dollars in revenues every year with YJ and the Smiths close behind with TG every year, add in M&D, T3, Steps, etc. and it's too much money for them to leave on the table. Not to mention I'm sure that they think they can do it better and have the name recognition to take the club money machine to another level. I think that altruism is at the bottom of the list, if it's on it at all[/quote]

Then Mr/Mrs know-it-all, why has Wildcat Elite been around for many years and it has a grand total of 1 team? Is that to max out the money machine? And since when is it a bad thing for someone to take their passion and talent and make a living from it when you have a lot to offer in that area? Camps/Clinics/videos all seem like fine things to do. I personally have had a daughter attend some of those camps and clinics and she has loved them and learned a lot. Isn't that how it is supposed to be?

The problem w your post is that the facts surrounding the club team/program run by Amonte doesn't fit your assertion that they r "taking club money machine to the next level". Try again.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think Hofstra is a fully funded program but I can't find the data to back it up. Where did you find the data? Can you please post the link?


My daughter plays in her travel program and I heard it straight from her father at one of the first tournaments we did there. Being that my daughter had no interest in going to Hofstra and they had no interest in her coming there, we stopped doing them shortly there after.
This fully funded program is a great topic. I think people would be shocked at how many D1 and D2 lacrosse programs use the full allotment allowed by the NCAA.

My daughter is a mid/lower D1 player and either coaches are lying or most are saying they don't have the scholarship spots we all think they have
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think Hofstra is a fully funded program but I can't find the data to back it up. Where did you find the data? Can you please post the link?


My daughter plays in her travel program and I heard it straight from her father at one of the first tournaments we did there. Being that my daughter had no interest in going to Hofstra and they had no interest in her coming there, we stopped doing them shortly there after.



Sorry, but hearsay is not reliable. An NCAA or Hofstra document is what is needed.
And that's what wrong with the sport. Club rules everything including US Lax. You are right TG and YJ and... are printing money to place most girls at mediocre academic institutions with so so lacrosse. The handful born with ability would do just fine without club lacrosse. The bottom 95% are being taken for a ride. Plus there is way more security from parents willing to pay then a college that might grow tired of the losses [/quote]

Others are jumping onto the bandwagon - Amonte has "WildCats Elite" out of Chicago and Gait just stared his own club in the Syracuse area - follow the money[/quote]

I think "jumping on the bandwagon" when referring to Amonte-Hiller is misplaced. First of all, she has had Wildcat Elite for a long time. Secondly, it is very small. I think it may only be 1 or 2 age groups. She makes plenty of money thru coaching, camps and endorsements. She doesn't run the Wildcat Elite program for monetary reasons. She has been probably the single most influential person in spreading the women's lacrosse game west from the east coast and continues to influence the growth of the game. Some people aren't all about the money, and Wildcat Elite is much more about spreading the love of the game, than making money. Sorry, just had to point out that there are passionate, well-intentioned people out there as well. I'm not saying she isn't hyper-competitive, she is, but it isn't always, or even often, about the money to some people. [/quote]

Are you serious? It's always about the money - camps, clinincs, videos, tournaments, all being done in variety of states all year round by Amonte and company. When amonte and gait see carol rose generating over a million dollars in revenues every year with YJ and the Smiths close behind with TG every year, add in M&D, T3, Steps, etc. and it's too much money for them to leave on the table. Not to mention I'm sure that they think they can do it better and have the name recognition to take the club money machine to another level. I think that altruism is at the bottom of the list, if it's on it at all[/quote]

Then Mr/Mrs know-it-all, why has Wildcat Elite been around for many years and it has a grand total of 1 team? Is that to max out the money machine? And since when is it a bad thing for someone to take their passion and talent and make a living from it when you have a lot to offer in that area? Camps/Clinics/videos all seem like fine things to do. I personally have had a daughter attend some of those camps and clinics and she has loved them and learned a lot. Isn't that how it is supposed to be?

The problem w your post is that the facts surrounding the club team/program run by Amonte doesn't fit your assertion that they r "taking club money machine to the next level". Try again. [/quote]

Will this be another year of the Northworstern saga? Are you a family member or something?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think Hofstra is a fully funded program but I can't find the data to back it up. Where did you find the data? Can you please post the link?


My daughter plays in her travel program and I heard it straight from her father at one of the first tournaments we did there. Being that my daughter had no interest in going to Hofstra and they had no interest in her coming there, we stopped doing them shortly there after.



Sorry, but hearsay is not reliable. An NCAA or Hofstra document is what is needed.


Whatever you say.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think Hofstra is a fully funded program but I can't find the data to back it up. Where did you find the data? Can you please post the link?


My daughter plays in her travel program and I heard it straight from her father at one of the first tournaments we did there. Being that my daughter had no interest in going to Hofstra and they had no interest in her coming there, we stopped doing them shortly there after.



Sorry, but hearsay is not reliable. An NCAA or Hofstra document is what is needed.


Whatever you say.



Touche'
Ah. The guy whose daughter didn't get an offer from NU is back. Gotta love it.
I'm guessing this is the best thread to discuss my ongoing "study" of the Long Island 2013 class and, as a class, where they stand today in regards to their lacrosse careers. This is the third year I have posted this.

USA Lacrosse has found that roughly 50% of all recruited players are playing the game of lacrosse by their senior year. Long Island players in 2013 were at 58% with 43% playing significant minutes in a game. The remaining 15% played some minutes in a limited role.

There was a huge movement of players who no longer play from sophomore to junior year, which is expected. Playing time, school work and possible injury without a red shirt figures into this number, which is 28%. It was 8% last year.

The remaining 14% were redshirt or injury reflected by little or no playing time.

These numbers will adjust downward by next year if trends continue. The overall number should still be greater than the 50% average, but that is also expected as Long Island has more quality players as compared with the lacrosse group as a whole nationwide.

Just a little food for thought for anyone going through the recruiting process in high school. There are so many non-lacrosse variables to think about and don't lose sight of that.

Just one more year of crunching numbers! Whew!
Inside Lacrosse Pre-Season Top 20:

2017 Face-Off Yearbook Top 20

1. North Carolina
2. Maryland
3. Florida
4. Stony Brook
5. Penn State
6. USC
7. Syracuse
8. Notre Dame
9. Duke
10. Northwestern
11. Penn
12. Virginia
13. UMass
14. Cornell
15. Stanford
16. Princeton
17. Boston College
18. Johns Hopkins
19. Towson
20. Loyola

My town talks a lot but have never had a girl play on one of these teams
Bc should be ranked over penn,umass,stanford,cornell
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My town talks a lot but have never had a girl play on one of these teams


Mine has a few commits in the top 10 but still can't win a playoff game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bc should be ranked over penn,umass,stanford,cornell


Why? The slipped out of the top 20 last year for good reason
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Inside Lacrosse Pre-Season Top 20:

2017 Face-Off Yearbook Top 20

1. North Carolina
2. Maryland
3. Florida
4. Stony Brook
5. Penn State
6. USC
7. Syracuse
8. Notre Dame
9. Duke
10. Northwestern
11. Penn
12. Virginia
13. UMass
14. Cornell
15. Stanford
16. Princeton
17. Boston College
18. Johns Hopkins
19. Towson
20. Loyola



These preseason polls rely too much on last year without taking into account the changes on some of these teams. I won't say Maryland is too high, but it will be interesting to see how the loss of Cummings plays out. She is not going to be easy to replace.

Teams ranked too high:

Stony Brook (Should be 8-10)
Syracuse (might drop out of top 10)
Stanford (drops out of top 20)

Teams ranked too low:

Northwestern
USC (Final 4 team)
Colorado makes it into the top 20 for first time
SB is too high. Maybe top 20. Stop K. Ohlmiller and you stop SB.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is too high. Maybe top 20. Stop K. Ohlmiller and you stop SB.

Uhh, what about Murphy?
SB's problem is not talent. They were out coached in an elimination game vs Syracuse last year by a coach that exploited the 8m obstruction shot rule.
Syracuse played down in tight on the offense end and repeatedly made an aggressive move toward the cage with a pump fake shot and got the call whereas SB played a much more spread out offense with a set play.
Hopefully SB's coach learned something from that game for this upcoming season.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is too high. Maybe top 20. Stop K. Ohlmiller and you stop SB.


True ... and they are slow. Shot clock will not be their friend.
SB also did not graduate too much talent this past year. Could be a good year for them.
Maryland probably going to slip a little this year.
USC is looking very good too.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is too high. Maybe top 20. Stop K. Ohlmiller and you stop SB.


True ... and they are slow. Shot clock will not be their friend.


I disagree. If there is a women's coach who know how to work with a shot clock it is JS. 60 seconds for MLL and only 30 seconds for boxla. And likely Gait being the other coach.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB's problem is not talent. They were out coached in an elimination game vs Syracuse last year by a coach that exploited the 8m obstruction shot rule.
Syracuse played down in tight on the offense end and repeatedly made an aggressive move toward the cage with a pump fake shot and got the call whereas SB played a much more spread out offense with a set play.
Hopefully SB's coach learned something from that game for this upcoming season.

Holding Syracuse to 7 goals is bad. Come on that's as good as you can be against a. Kayla traenor team full of seniors
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is too high. Maybe top 20. Stop K. Ohlmiller and you stop SB.


True ... and they are slow. Shot clock will not be their friend.


Hahah
Umass UVA Duke too high
Hopkins too low northwestern too low
Be
Believe SB is a top 5/7 saw them this fall lightening fast with many returners
USC also a top 5/7, funny how some schools stay in top 10-12 such as Duke UVA regardless of records
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is too high. Maybe top 20. Stop K. Ohlmiller and you stop SB.


True ... and they are slow. Shot clock will not be their friend.


If fall ball is a good indicator Stony Brook will be right at the top all season.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Umass UVA Duke too high
Hopkins too low northwestern too low
Be
Believe SB is a top 5/7 saw them this fall lightening fast with many returners
USC also a top 5/7, funny how some schools stay in top 10-12 such as Duke UVA regardless of records


Didn't the UVA assistant coach of like 15+ years quit? Had a dad I know who's daughter goes there say the HC was so bad the assistant couldn't take it anymore. Don't know how accurate that is nor whether it was this past spring or the prior.
It would be great if this thread stayed classy and positive. We are capable of that. Merry Christmas Happy new year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is too high. Maybe top 20. Stop K. Ohlmiller and you stop SB.


True ... and they are slow. Shot clock will not be their friend.


If fall ball is a good indicator Stony Brook will be right at the top all season.



If fall ball is an indicator, BC beat towson,loyola and lost to maryland and penn state by 1 without two starters, both were on u19 team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is too high. Maybe top 20. Stop K. Ohlmiller and you stop SB.


True ... and they are slow. Shot clock will not be their friend.


If fall ball is a good indicator Stony Brook will be right at the top all season.


It's just too bad they don't play a tough schedule. They play a few tough teams, but way too many cream puffs. They might go further in the tournament if they were tested more often during the year. And no, fall ball is not an indicator of much. But they should be very good.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is too high. Maybe top 20. Stop K. Ohlmiller and you stop SB.


True ... and they are slow. Shot clock will not be their friend.


If fall ball is a good indicator Stony Brook will be right at the top all season.


Murphy would be nothing without someone feeding her the ball. Amazing finisher, but without Ohlmiller her goal total would be reduced greatly.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is too high. Maybe top 20. Stop K. Ohlmiller and you stop SB.


True ... and they are slow. Shot clock will not be their friend.


If fall ball is a good indicator Stony Brook will be right at the top all season.


Fall Ball is not and never has been a good indicator of anything except how a team is doing in the Fall.

Merry Christmas and good luck to all.


If fall ball is an indicator, BC beat towson,loyola and lost to maryland and penn state by 1 without two starters, both were on u19 team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is too high. Maybe top 20. Stop K. Ohlmiller and you stop SB.


True ... and they are slow. Shot clock will not be their friend.


If fall ball is a good indicator Stony Brook will be right at the top all season.


Murphy would be nothing without someone feeding her the ball. Amazing finisher, but without Ohlmiller her goal total would be reduced greatly.


And ... she wouldn't score nearly as much if they didn't play such a weak schedule. Ohlmiller is the only real superstar on the team.
Hofstra 3-13 last year. Any improvement? Any predictions ?
I went to the Hofstra v Harvard game last year.
Hofstra has become tough to watch. The things they do wrong are so elementary it's painful
SB's defense didn't play badly in the game against Syracuse last year.
Syracuse played down tight on the offensive end and managed to get the SB defenders to step back into the 8 and then would fake a shot, get the whistle and score on the free position.
SB never used that strategy. They are a more dynamic team then Syracuse but Syracuse did what they had to do to get the win.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is too high. Maybe top 20. Stop K. Ohlmiller and you stop SB.


True ... and they are slow. Shot clock will not be their friend.


If fall ball is a good indicator Stony Brook will be right at the top all season.


Murphy would be nothing without someone feeding her the ball. Amazing finisher, but without Ohlmiller her goal total would be reduced greatly.


I agree but you could make that point with most players. Hence a team
This is a very important year for Hofstra Predictions?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is too high. Maybe top 20. Stop K. Ohlmiller and you stop SB.


True ... and they are slow. Shot clock will not be their friend.


If fall ball is a good indicator Stony Brook will be right at the top all season.


Murphy would be nothing without someone feeding her the ball. Amazing finisher, but without Ohlmiller her goal total would be reduced greatly.


I agree but you could make that point with most players. Hence a team


But if she didn't have Ohlmiller or if she played in the acc or big ten she wouldnt have 100 goals.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I went to the Hofstra v Harvard game last year.
Hofstra has become tough to watch. The things they do wrong are so elementary it's painful



Last year was tough to watch, but they have a new OC and DC. One of the biggest problems last season was the old DC wanted to force a zone defense on the girls and it didn't work. Lots of goals were scored on them right in front of the goal. This year their new DC, Shanna Brady from U of Md, is running an aggressive man-to-man defense and if fall ball is any indication they have improved a ton. They also had a TON of injuries last year, and hopefully this season they won't have as many. I expect a record around .500, if not just over.
500 and they make their conference playoffs, Good solid freshman
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB's defense didn't play badly in the game against Syracuse last year.
Syracuse played down tight on the offensive end and managed to get the SB defenders to step back into the 8 and then would fake a shot, get the whistle and score on the free position.
SB never used that strategy. They are a more dynamic team then Syracuse but Syracuse did what they had to do to get the win.


SB was in 3 seconds and shooting space all game...wasnt called by refs nearly enough
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a very important year for Hofstra Predictions?


They will implode (again) then replace SS.
Several top players left, and the lack of respect by SS to her players and staff will never change- it's how she was raised. If I were a betting man I would put the farm on this being her last season there, the go to the net Top Guns mentality is easily stoppable. Stony Brook will do well, and a few NY D2 teams will be a sweet surprise.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
500 and they make their conference playoffs, Good solid freshman



Agreed. Around .500 is doable if you look at the schedule, which is tough. The incoming freshmen did look really good in the fall, and got lots of playing time. The upper classmen are not dominated by just one player any more. Talent and skill is more spread out. Two strong, fast, aggressive LI players at MF, with a nice, fast lefty defender from MD are just a few of the incoming talents.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Several top players left, and the lack of respect by SS to her players and staff will never change- it's how she was raised. If I were a betting man I would put the farm on this being her last season there, the go to the net Top Guns mentality is easily stoppable. Stony Brook will do well, and a few NY D2 teams will be a sweet surprise.



You have no clue what you're talking about.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
500 and they make their conference playoffs, Good solid freshman



Agreed. Around .500 is doable if you look at the schedule, which is tough. The incoming freshmen did look really good in the fall, and got lots of playing time. The upper classmen are not dominated by just one player any more. Talent and skill is more spread out. Two strong, fast, aggressive LI players at MF, with a nice, fast lefty defender from MD are just a few of the incoming talents.


Tall girl from ma is very good too.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is too high. Maybe top 20. Stop K. Ohlmiller and you stop SB.


True ... and they are slow. Shot clock will not be their friend.


If fall ball is a good indicator Stony Brook will be right at the top all season.


Fall ball is meaningless, everybody gets playing time and coaches are evaluating their teams, in the regular season they will have a much shorter bench when the need arises

If fall ball is an indicator, BC beat towson,loyola and lost to maryland and penn state by 1 without two starters, both were on u19 team.
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500 and they make their conference playoffs, Good solid freshman



Agreed. Around .500 is doable if you look at the schedule, which is tough. The incoming freshmen did look really good in the fall, and got lots of playing time. The upper classmen are not dominated by just one player any more. Talent and skill is more spread out. Two strong, fast, aggressive LI players at MF, with a nice, fast lefty defender from MD are just a few of the incoming talents.


Tall girl from ma is very good too.


She is, you are correct. Good, solid Mass Elite player smile
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is too high. Maybe top 20. Stop K. Ohlmiller and you stop SB.


True ... and they are slow. Shot clock will not be their friend.


If fall ball is a good indicator Stony Brook will be right at the top all season.


Fall ball is meaningless, everybody gets playing time and coaches are evaluating their teams, in the regular season they will have a much shorter bench when the need arises

If fall ball is an indicator, BC beat towson,loyola and lost to maryland and penn state by 1 without two starters, both were on u19 team.


Watched SB play a top 10 team this fall and JS only played 15 kids..other team played 26 kids..scores mean nothing in fall
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is too high. Maybe top 20. Stop K. Ohlmiller and you stop SB.


True ... and they are slow. Shot clock will not be their friend.


If fall ball is a good indicator Stony Brook will be right at the top all season.


Fall ball is meaningless, everybody gets playing time and coaches are evaluating their teams, in the regular season they will have a much shorter bench when the need arises

If fall ball is an indicator, BC beat towson,loyola and lost to maryland and penn state by 1 without two starters, both were on u19 team.


Watched SB play a top 10 team this fall and JS only played 15 kids..other team played 26 kids..scores mean nothing in fall

Fall does not mean much I agree but do you really expect people to believe you sat and counted number of substitutions in a fall ball game when players are wearing pinnies with all different numbers etc. and if you did I suggest a hobby like golf. it's fall all focus shifts to spring. Going to be a very interesting year so let's sit back and enjoy it
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB is too high. Maybe top 20. Stop K. Ohlmiller and you stop SB.


True ... and they are slow. Shot clock will not be their friend.


If fall ball is a good indicator Stony Brook will be right at the top all season.


Fall ball is meaningless, everybody gets playing time and coaches are evaluating their teams, in the regular season they will have a much shorter bench when the need arises

If fall ball is an indicator, BC beat towson,loyola and lost to maryland and penn state by 1 without two starters, both were on u19 team.


Watched SB play a top 10 team this fall and JS only played 15 kids..other team played 26 kids..scores mean nothing in fall



I agree. Getting an overall "feel" for the team is the most important result of any fall ball game. js using only 15 players is not a surprise. He's so insecure that he'll do anything for any win, even a meaningless fall ball game.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
500 and they make their conference playoffs, Good solid freshman



Agreed. Around .500 is doable if you look at the schedule, which is tough. The incoming freshmen did look really good in the fall, and got lots of playing time. The upper classmen are not dominated by just one player any more. Talent and skill is more spread out. Two strong, fast, aggressive LI players at MF, with a nice, fast lefty defender from MD are just a few of the incoming talents.
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Agreed

Tall girl from ma is very good too.


She is, you are correct. Good, solid Mass Elite player smile
I was at two events in the fall. I went and watched SB play Syracuse and I watched the SB - Maryland game.
In each game Both coaches were out for the win. Did not see any team go deep on the bench!!!
26 players NO WAY...
Soon enough we will see , February is right around the corner.
26 players ..... please
since when do the facts matter. Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas. Looking forward to a great 2017
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
500 and they make their conference playoffs, Good solid freshman



Agreed. Around .500 is doable if you look at the schedule, which is tough. The incoming freshmen did look really good in the fall, and got lots of playing time. The upper classmen are not dominated by just one player any more. Talent and skill is more spread out. Two strong, fast, aggressive LI players at MF, with a nice, fast lefty defender from MD are just a few of the incoming talents.
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Agreed

Tall girl from ma is very good too.


She is, you are correct. Good, solid Mass Elite player smile



Yes, she is a very good player, but she's a sophomore. I was referring to the incoming freshmen..."Two strong, fast, aggressive LI players at MF, with a nice, fast lefty defender from MD are just a few of the incoming talents."
How would you know about the lefty defender since she's been out the entire fall? Dad, mom is that you?
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How would you know about the lefty defender since she's been out the entire fall? Dad, mom is that you?



Neither. I've seen her play before (club) and at the alumni game, the same way I know about the other freshmen. It's not a secret she plays for them. She's really good.
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How would you know about the lefty defender since she's been out the entire fall? Dad, mom is that you?



How do you know she's been out for most of the fall? Scouting?
Not the point! She hasn't played, so why and how can someone bring her up?
Definitely mommy or daddy, alumni game, really?
You've seen her play club and at the alumni game? Sounds like mom and dad
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Definitely mommy or daddy, alumni game, really?



You people are mentally hilarious.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was at two events in the fall. I went and watched SB play Syracuse and I watched the SB - Maryland game.
In each game Both coaches were out for the win. Did not see any team go deep on the bench!!!
26 players NO WAY...
Soon enough we will see , February is right around the corner.
26 players ..... please


Ok I don't care how many players played,was SBU competitive when they played Cuse and Maryland ?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was at two events in the fall. I went and watched SB play Syracuse and I watched the SB - Maryland game.
In each game Both coaches were out for the win. Did not see any team go deep on the bench!!!
26 players NO WAY...
Soon enough we will see , February is right around the corner.
26 players ..... please


Ok I don't care how many players played,was SBU competitive when they played Cuse and Maryland ?


Stony Brook beat Syracuse by around ten goals in the fall. May have been a product of Syracuse losing a ton of players and still working out the kinks.
Daughter plays for Maryland. Two teams tied in fall both teams played many kids but game was fun to watch both teams really athletic fast and skilled. It's no secret Sb will be very good this year and honestly it's great for the sport Towson SB penn state will all be fun teams to watch. happy new year everyone from Us down in Maryland !
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Daughter plays for Maryland. Two teams tied in fall both teams played many kids but game was fun to watch both teams really athletic fast and skilled. It's no secret Sb will be very good this year and honestly it's great for the sport Towson SB penn state will all be fun teams to watch. happy new year everyone from Us down in Maryland !


Thanks sounds like 2017 should be a fun year. Happy New Year from LI
Don't forget them Gators
Maryland has a curse. They'll find out soon enough
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Maryland has a curse. They'll find out soon enough


What kind of curse could they possibly have they are one year removed from winning back to back championships?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maryland has a curse. They'll find out soon enough


What kind of curse could they possibly have they are one year removed from winning back to back championships?


The curse of no Taylor Cummings.
The curse of the south shore
Penn state is dynamic watchout for them. Madison Carter and Katie O'donnell are dominant.
Of Nassau
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Penn state is dynamic watchout for them. Madison Carter and Katie O'donnell are dominant.


They r good. I say watch out for a rebound year from Northwestern. Fredericks is dominant on the draw and Lasota is an all-world talent who is maturing as a leader. And they have a great goalie. They are a young group that is growing together.

I know. Let the NU bashing begin.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Penn state is dynamic watchout for them. Madison Carter and Katie O'donnell are dominant.


They r good. I say watch out for a rebound year from Northwestern. Fredericks is dominant on the draw and Lasota is an all-world talent who is maturing as a leader. And they have a great goalie. They are a young group that is growing together.

I know. Let the NU bashing begin.


Not bashing NU, just bashing you because you can't shut up about this .500 NU team being good.
Lasota is good but look at TO numbers... they are very bad, the goalie is mediocre, the freshman is better in my opinion. Penn State is my favorite in the BIG 10 this year.
Madison Carter is a beast. I'm not one of her parents by the way...my daughter played with her in high school. We know her well, and she is the real deal.
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Lasota is good but look at TO numbers... they are very bad, the goalie is mediocre, the freshman is better in my opinion. Penn State is my favorite in the BIG 10 this year.


Been watching NU games since they reopened the program with KAH. First title string was run and gun attack on goal in transition. The next string of titles was based on slow careful possessions only taking high percentage shots that were either just inside the pipe or backed up by attack on its way out of bounds. But there was always a huge premium on possession, both winning the draw and handling the ball. That being said, Latoya is a pure beast of an athlete , incredible in tight space, but the complete opposite of what KAH has always bee about. In addition to the incredible high TO numbers, she has a terrible shot percentage and if you watch, many ill advised shots. Many times these great players cause as much damage to the winning effort as they contribute.
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Lasota is good but look at TO numbers... they are very bad, the goalie is mediocre, the freshman is better in my opinion. Penn State is my favorite in the BIG 10 this year.


Been watching NU games since they reopened the program with KAH. First title string was run and gun attack on goal in transition. The next string of titles was based on slow careful possessions only taking high percentage shots that were either just inside the pipe or backed up by attack on its way out of bounds. But there was always a huge premium on possession, both winning the draw and handling the ball. That being said, Latoya is a pure beast of an athlete , incredible in tight space, but the complete opposite of what KAH has always bee about. In addition to the incredible high TO numbers, she has a terrible shot percentage and if you watch, many ill advised shots. Many times these great players cause as much damage to the winning effort as they contribute.


Agree that that is what has happened. Also think she got better as last year progressed. Also think the shot clock changes things. Her incredible ability to get shots off from anywhere turns from a negative in the old world into a premium skill in the new world. I guess we will just have to see.
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Penn state is dynamic watchout for them. Madison Carter and Katie O'donnell are dominant.


They r good. I say watch out for a rebound year from Northwestern. Fredericks is dominant on the draw and Lasota is an all-world talent who is maturing as a leader. And they have a great goalie. They are a young group that is growing together.

I know. Let the NU bashing begin.


Not bashing NU, just bashing you because you can't shut up about this .500 NU team being good.


oh that's right. Lets get the rundown on LIU Brooklyn please.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Penn state is dynamic watchout for them. Madison Carter and Katie O'donnell are dominant.


They r good. I say watch out for a rebound year from Northwestern. Fredericks is dominant on the draw and Lasota is an all-world talent who is maturing as a leader. And they have a great goalie. They are a young group that is growing together.

I know. Let the NU bashing begin.


Not bashing NU, just bashing you because you can't shut up about this .500 NU team being good.


oh that's right. Lets get the rundown on LIU Brooklyn please.

way more girls play at LIU than Northwestern so yeah lets talk about LIU or any other average to below average Lax school where most everyone plays. We talk about the top 5% of girls way too much. They are the exceptions not the norm
I'M THE "NU GUY" and I haven't had any posts in the last week about this so sorry your going to have to designate these blasphems with another name and spew your hate at themy
Oh NO. I'm the NU guy.
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I'M THE "NU GUY" and I haven't had any posts in the last week about this so sorry your going to have to designate these blasphems with another name and spew your hate at themy


Does that mean you are for NU or against as the "NU GUY"?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'M THE "NU GUY" and I haven't had any posts in the last week about this so sorry your going to have to designate these blasphems with another name and spew your hate at themy


Does that mean you are for NU or against as the "NU GUY"?
couldn't care less about NU, just have an opinion that a mommy cant handle
freshman to watch?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'M THE "NU GUY" and I haven't had any posts in the last week about this so sorry your going to have to designate these blasphems with another name and spew your hate at themy


Does that mean you are for NU or against as the "NU GUY"?
couldn't care less about NU, just have an opinion that a mommy cant handle


You are one bitter dude. Your kid wasn't as good. Deal with it.
This year there will be UNC and then everyone else. Too much speed and depth.
Kate Taylor-Boston College
Hannah Warther-Maryland
Maria Auth-Penn State
Taryn Ohlmiller-Stony Brook

are a few I saw this fall and was very impressed with, anyone else???
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'M THE "NU GUY" and I haven't had any posts in the last week about this so sorry your going to have to designate these blasphems with another name and spew your hate at themy


Does that mean you are for NU or against as the "NU GUY"?
couldn't care less about NU, just have an opinion that a mommy cant handle


You are one bitter dude. Your kid wasn't as good. Deal with it.
and you say I'm the biteer one LOL
Big hire at NU. Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi !!
Good game between USA and Florida. Lots of LI girls looking good. Wonder if Ohmiller will make the cut? Kelly Rabil should be cut but won't due to politics, could take Ohmillers spot. Pirreka very good.
Game ending was a joke, exactly what's wrong with woman's lax. Gators would have tied game but lost due to stupid rules. It should be like in basketball . You get fouled, your goal counts, then you get anther one.
How bout them GATOR's !!!!!
USA vs. FL. Great game! Looked like a YJ Alumni game.
Hannah warther is a beast. Can't wait to watch her in college. Daughter played against her in 30 min scrimmage and she was ridiculous.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good game between USA and Florida. Lots of LI girls looking good. Wonder if Ohmiller will make the cut? Kelly Rabil should be cut but won't due to politics, could take Ohmillers spot. Pirreka very good.


Agreed... The old people on the team should be cut, Sarah Bullard,Ally Carey, they add nothing to the team. Canaga will win again because the coach is going to cut the wrong players, just like the u19 team. Apuzzo, Levy and Pirecca were way better then alot of the girls on that team too.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
USA vs. FL. Great game! Looked like a YJ Alumni game.


Except that the best players were not former YJs, but I guess some have to be cheerleaders.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Game ending was a joke, exactly what's wrong with woman's lax. Gators would have tied game but lost due to stupid rules. It should be like in basketball . You get fouled, your goal counts, then you get anther one.


I agree this rule is stupid!
ND looked absolutely awful with all those YJ girls scratching [lacrosse]!
Superstar from Baltimore didn't do much either..
ND Looked like a HS team .Florida looked like the real deal.
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Big hire at NU. Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi !!


Hired a Kangaroo?
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Good game between USA and Florida. Lots of LI girls looking good. Wonder if Ohmiller will make the cut? Kelly Rabil should be cut but won't due to politics, could take Ohmillers spot. Pirreka very good.


Rabil is a standout for all the wrong reasons
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good game between USA and Florida. Lots of LI girls looking good. Wonder if Ohmiller will make the cut? Kelly Rabil should be cut but won't due to politics, could take Ohmillers spot. Pirreka very good.


Rabil is a standout for all the wrong reasons


Rabil just terrible! The only time she did anything was whenND was already beat down so bad that they gave up. Bully. Adds nothing to the team and should be cut.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Big hire at NU. Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi !!


Hired a Kangaroo?


something like that
History repeats itself with lots of northeast girls stick swinging and rule bending
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History repeats itself with lots of northeast girls stick swinging and rule bending


That's the YJ way.
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
History repeats itself with lots of northeast girls stick swinging and rule bending


That's the YJ way.


Moving post and pre whistle is taught so is pushing the envelope when it comes to aggressive contact. It's like they are daring the refs to make tough calls knowing that in most instances they won't.

The cumulative foul total should be introduced like basketball which would lead to goons getting ejected. Keep the sport safe and helmets out of the game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good game between USA and Florida. Lots of LI girls looking good. Wonder if Ohmiller will make the cut? Kelly Rabil should be cut but won't due to politics, could take Ohmillers spot. Pirreka very good.


Rabil is a standout for all the wrong reasons


But she is hot!
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Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
History repeats itself with lots of northeast girls stick swinging and rule bending


That's the YJ way.


Moving post and pre whistle is taught so is pushing the envelope when it comes to aggressive contact. It's like they are daring the refs to make tough calls knowing that in most instances they won't.

The cumulative foul total should be introduced like basketball which would lead to goons getting ejected. Keep the sport safe and helmets out of the game


Agree with all you wrote.
Sarah Bullard needs to move on, so many other other better players
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good game between USA and Florida. Lots of LI girls looking good. Wonder if Ohmiller will make the cut? Kelly Rabil should be cut but won't due to politics, could take Ohmillers spot. Pirreka very good.


Rabil is a standout for all the wrong reasons


But she is hot!


ewww, not!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sarah Bullard needs to move on, so many other other better players


Dead wood!
who does everyone see getting cut... Murray,Rabil,Bullard would be my 3 that looked bad this weekend... I think KO,Griffin,Mccool and cummings shined this weekend
After watching the game against Florida, I think Ithey should be looking at some of them Gators!
Is there any footage of this game to be viewed? I'd like to watch.
I think they will cut most of the college players as there is so much politics involved with this staff. He wants them like robots and that's why they almost lost to a college team.
Full Game is on you tube. Google USA national team vs. Florida Spring Premeire

Great game ! Gators are for real!
How bout them Gators!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Full Game is on you tube. Google USA national team vs. Florida Spring Premeire

Great game ! Gators are for real!


Gators have been "for real" for years, but the coaching sucks and they will always find a way to lose a game when it matters
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Full Game is on you tube. Google USA national team vs. Florida Spring Premeire

Great game ! Gators are for real!


Gators have been "for real" for years, but the coaching sucks and they will always find a way to lose a game when it matters


If that's true about the coaching that's to bad, they looked great!
Considering they were playing Team USA and stuck with a Run and Gun scheme and almost pulled it off! Are you kidding me? Kudos to the staff at Florida!
Ricky Needs to be replaced.....look at his teams, they all suck, Ohlmiller not making this roster is absurd.
Ohlmiller was a complete standout ! That is a travesty she wasn't picked! All you need to do is look at G-towns record every year to undertand he's a terrible coach and evaluator .
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Full Game is on you tube. Google USA national team vs. Florida Spring Premeire

Great game ! Gators are for real!


Gators have been "for real" for years, but the coaching sucks and they will always find a way to lose a game when it matters

They said the same thing about Levy at UNC! Then Dowd came in and they won. See what happens with the new assistants at Fla. Looks like they may have the horses to be in the mix!
Agree how do you not take her and Fortunato, oh I know why they don't go to Maryland or Syracuse? Terrible just ridiculous
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Agree how do you not take her and Fortunato, oh I know why they don't go to Maryland or Syracuse? Terrible just ridiculous


Fortunato? She is inconsistent and not good enough for that team. That's why. Ohlmiller has a case. Rabil without a doubt should be gone. All politics on all the US Lax teams. Coaches all have their own agenda! Besides, these "world" titles area joke, any D1 team could win that championship!
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Agree how do you not take her and Fortunato, oh I know why they don't go to Maryland or Syracuse? Terrible just ridiculous


Fortunato? She is inconsistent and not good enough for that team. That's why. Ohlmiller has a case. Rabil without a doubt should be gone. All politics on all the US Lax teams. Coaches all have their own agenda! Besides, these "world" titles area joke, any D1 team could win that championship!


That all true. Why these coaches are the coaches is probably the biggest mystery.
Feel free to bite my head off but go watch the florida vs US team on youtube, what exactly are they feeding them in Florida. I have known many of those players for a long time and they now resemble linebackers more than their former selves.
Sarah Bullard????? why do they keep her and not Ohlmiller. Her stats on the weekend were only turnovers, had no goals or assists!! Mikaela Rix is better then her, Shannon Gilroy, Nicole Graziano, Sarah Mannelly,Maddie Crutchfield,Maggie Bill. All players that are way better and were cut... Katrina Dowd, Acacia Walker or Missy Doherty would be way better coaches then Fried. Even Robertshaw is a bad coach, look at college teams they both dont even make tournament.
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Feel free to bite my head off but go watch the florida vs US team on youtube, what exactly are they feeding them in Florida. I have known many of those players for a long time and they now resemble linebackers more than their former selves.


training table and FL tailgates
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Feel free to bite my head off but go watch the florida vs US team on youtube, what exactly are they feeding them in Florida. I have known many of those players for a long time and they now resemble linebackers more than their former selves.


I watched it too. They looked like they were in great shape. Not sure about the Linebacker comment, but they do look like the take fitness seriously down there. It showed on the field.
Why would you even go there? They are a very talented team.
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Sarah Bullard????? why do they keep her and not Ohlmiller. Her stats on the weekend were only turnovers, had no goals or assists!! Mikaela Rix is better then her, Shannon Gilroy, Nicole Graziano, Sarah Mannelly,Maddie Crutchfield,Maggie Bill. All players that are way better and were cut... Katrina Dowd, Acacia Walker or Missy Doherty would be way better coaches then Fried. Even Robertshaw is a bad coach, look at college teams they both dont even make tournament.


Katrina Dowd for sure. Acacia Walker ... no way. Ms. Munday yes. KAH yes. Hmmm me sees a common denominator.
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Sarah Bullard????? why do they keep her and not Ohlmiller. Her stats on the weekend were only turnovers, had no goals or assists!! Mikaela Rix is better then her, Shannon Gilroy, Nicole Graziano, Sarah Mannelly,Maddie Crutchfield,Maggie Bill. All players that are way better and were cut... Katrina Dowd, Acacia Walker or Missy Doherty would be way better coaches then Fried. Even Robertshaw is a bad coach, look at college teams they both dont even make tournament.


Katrina Dowd for sure. Acacia Walker ... no way. Ms. Munday yes. KAH yes. Hmmm me sees a common denominator.


All the players are interchangeable, and it's a fake championship. A real championship is college D1. If you noticed the stands, there were about 50 spectators because nobody cares!
Ok YJ cool aid drinker
Anybody have a look at the Inside Lacrosse Division 1 Player of the year watch? Long Island Heavy!
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Sarah Bullard????? why do they keep her and not Ohlmiller. Her stats on the weekend were only turnovers, had no goals or assists!! Mikaela Rix is better then her, Shannon Gilroy, Nicole Graziano, Sarah Mannelly,Maddie Crutchfield,Maggie Bill. All players that are way better and were cut... Katrina Dowd, Acacia Walker or Missy Doherty would be way better coaches then Fried. Even Robertshaw is a bad coach, look at college teams they both dont even make tournament.


Katrina Dowd for sure. Acacia Walker ... no way. Ms. Munday yes. KAH yes. Hmmm me sees a common denominator.


All the players are interchangeable, and it's a fake championship. A real championship is college D1. If you noticed the stands, there were about 50 spectators because nobody cares!


What has any of the present coaches ever won when they had real competition like in college ? That's some great system when you are able to make the most talented players look just ordinary. What a joke
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Sarah Bullard????? why do they keep her and not Ohlmiller. Her stats on the weekend were only turnovers, had no goals or assists!! Mikaela Rix is better then her, Shannon Gilroy, Nicole Graziano, Sarah Mannelly,Maddie Crutchfield,Maggie Bill. All players that are way better and were cut... Katrina Dowd, Acacia Walker or Missy Doherty would be way better coaches then Fried. Even Robertshaw is a bad coach, look at college teams they both dont even make tournament.


Katrina Dowd for sure. Acacia Walker ... no way. Ms. Munday yes. KAH yes. Hmmm me sees a common denominator.


All the players are interchangeable, and it's a fake championship. A real championship is college D1. If you noticed the stands, there were about 50 spectators because nobody cares!


What has any of the present coaches ever won when they had real competition like in college ? That's some great system when you are able to make the most talented players look just ordinary. What a joke


Who are the 5 best coaches in D1?

How are the coaches chosen for the US National Team? Hasn't this group been together for 10 years or so. They have had success but anybody would. New coaches would probably result in a fairer selection process. Head coach is not well thought of by his players at GT and that program is struggling in a big way. How does that translate into being the US National coach?
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Sarah Bullard????? why do they keep her and not Ohlmiller. Her stats on the weekend were only turnovers, had no goals or assists!! Mikaela Rix is better then her, Shannon Gilroy, Nicole Graziano, Sarah Mannelly,Maddie Crutchfield,Maggie Bill. All players that are way better and were cut... Katrina Dowd, Acacia Walker or Missy Doherty would be way better coaches then Fried. Even Robertshaw is a bad coach, look at college teams they both dont even make tournament.


Katrina Dowd for sure. Acacia Walker ... no way. Ms. Munday yes. KAH yes. Hmmm me sees a common denominator.


All the players are interchangeable, and it's a fake championship. A real championship is college D1. If you noticed the stands, there were about 50 spectators because nobody cares!


What has any of the present coaches ever won when they had real competition like in college ? That's some great system when you are able to make the most talented players look just ordinary. What a joke


Who are the 5 best coaches in D1?



Opinion based question you're going to get multiple answers. Acacia Walker btw turned that bc program into a contender. She has gotten praise from all of the acc schools and maryland for what she has done. She and everyone else mentioned would be a better coach than Fried and Robertshaw.
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Sarah Bullard????? why do they keep her and not Ohlmiller. Her stats on the weekend were only turnovers, had no goals or assists!! Mikaela Rix is better then her, Shannon Gilroy, Nicole Graziano, Sarah Mannelly,Maddie Crutchfield,Maggie Bill. All players that are way better and were cut... Katrina Dowd, Acacia Walker or Missy Doherty would be way better coaches then Fried. Even Robertshaw is a bad coach, look at college teams they both dont even make tournament.


Katrina Dowd for sure. Acacia Walker ... no way. Ms. Munday yes. KAH yes. Hmmm me sees a common denominator.


All the players are interchangeable, and it's a fake championship. A real championship is college D1. If you noticed the stands, there were about 50 spectators because nobody cares!


What has any of the present coaches ever won when they had real competition like in college ? That's some great system when you are able to make the most talented players look just ordinary. What a joke


Who are the 5 best coaches in D1?




Gait
Spallina
Reese
Amonte - Hillier
Doherty

No knock against Levy but when you have the depth that UNC always has it doesn't command the accolades of getting more from less

Doherty , Reese, O'Leary, Levy, Spallina
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Sarah Bullard????? why do they keep her and not Ohlmiller. Her stats on the weekend were only turnovers, had no goals or assists!! Mikaela Rix is better then her, Shannon Gilroy, Nicole Graziano, Sarah Mannelly,Maddie Crutchfield,Maggie Bill. All players that are way better and were cut... Katrina Dowd, Acacia Walker or Missy Doherty would be way better coaches then Fried. Even Robertshaw is a bad coach, look at college teams they both dont even make tournament.


Katrina Dowd for sure. Acacia Walker ... no way. Ms. Munday yes. KAH yes. Hmmm me sees a common denominator.


All the players are interchangeable, and it's a fake championship. A real championship is college D1. If you noticed the stands, there were about 50 spectators because nobody cares!


What has any of the present coaches ever won when they had real competition like in college ? That's some great system when you are able to make the most talented players look just ordinary. What a joke


Who are the 5 best coaches in D1?




By what criteria? Winning percentage? Wins total? Most graduates? Most Championships? Happiest graduates? Largest assistant coach/head coach pipeline? There are a TON of criteria that are used to define an ambiguous "best" list.
All you people saying that the U.S team is a political pick I wonder if your the same parents that said that the U.A. teams were fare and if your kid wasn't picked you're just "bitter," and your kid just " isn't good enough". How does that shoe feelnow that it'son the other foot?
Originally Posted by Anonymous


By what criteria? Winning percentage? Wins total? Most graduates? Most Championships? Happiest graduates? Largest assistant coach/head coach pipeline? There are a TON of criteria that are used to define an ambiguous "best" list.


EXACTLY what I was thinking. Most team spirit/camaraderie? Most player retention? Most conditioned team? Fewest injuries?
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Agree how do you not take her and Fortunato, oh I know why they don't go to Maryland or Syracuse? Terrible just ridiculous


Fortunato? She is inconsistent and not good enough for that team. That's why. Ohlmiller has a case. Rabil without a doubt should be gone. All politics on all the US Lax teams. Coaches all have their own agenda! Besides, these "world" titles area joke, any D1 team could win that championship!


That all true. Why these coaches are the coaches is probably the biggest mystery.


Because NOBODY cares except the parents of the players, it didn't look like there were 500 fans at IMG for the games. Football and mens basketball are what fund virtually the entire athletic budget (and other programs as well) at most schools, that's why they HAVE TO WIN or get fired, there's no consequences in any other sport aside from maybe a few alumni making some noise
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By what criteria? Winning percentage? Wins total? Most graduates? Most Championships? Happiest graduates? Largest assistant coach/head coach pipeline? There are a TON of criteria that are used to define an ambiguous "best" list.


EXACTLY what I was thinking. Most team spirit/camaraderie? Most player retention? Most conditioned team? Fewest injuries?


Ding ding ding!! Player retention folks- pay attention to that when going through the recruiting process.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All you people saying that the U.S team is a political pick I wonder if your the same parents that said that the U.A. teams were fare and if your kid wasn't picked you're just "bitter," and your kid just " isn't good enough". How does that shoe feelnow that it'son the other foot?



I don't know about any answers to your questions, but I do know this: Your spelling is HORRIBLE! Good luck.
Good point on player retention. But remember kids / parents overshoot on their abilities and find out later going to a top 10 is great but very tough to get a spot in the rotation . They end up quitting because of play time. Think long and hard even if your kid is a stud... it ain't easy!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All you people saying that the U.S team is a political pick I wonder if your the same parents that said that the U.A. teams were fare and if your kid wasn't picked you're just "bitter," and your kid just " isn't good enough". How does that shoe feelnow that it'son the other foot?



I don't know about any answers to your questions, but I do know this: Your spelling is HORRIBLE! Good luck.
OK so you are defiantly on of those parents
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Sarah Bullard????? why do they keep her and not Ohlmiller. Her stats on the weekend were only turnovers, had no goals or assists!! Mikaela Rix is better then her, Shannon Gilroy, Nicole Graziano, Sarah Mannelly,Maddie Crutchfield,Maggie Bill. All players that are way better and were cut... Katrina Dowd, Acacia Walker or Missy Doherty would be way better coaches then Fried. Even Robertshaw is a bad coach, look at college teams they both dont even make tournament.


Katrina Dowd for sure. Acacia Walker ... no way. Ms. Munday yes. KAH yes. Hmmm me sees a common denominator.


All the players are interchangeable, and it's a fake championship. A real championship is college D1. If you noticed the stands, there were about 50 spectators because nobody cares!


What has any of the present coaches ever won when they had real competition like in college ? That's some great system when you are able to make the most talented players look just ordinary. What a joke


Who are the 5 best coaches in D1?




By what criteria? Winning percentage? Wins total? Most graduates? Most Championships? Happiest graduates? Largest assistant coach/head coach pipeline? There are a TON of criteria that are used to define an ambiguous "best" list.


For the US team to replace fried.

Walker did well because she had Rix and Stanwick. Manelley came because her family was BC. They dropped off dramatically last year and likely will stay down the rankings. Walker is disorganized and not a great coach.

Any list like someone above w/out KAH just doesn't know enough to comment. Levy couldn't get over the hump without Dowd. She was what brought them to the promised land. And her recruiting will linger for a few more years.

KAH
Munday
Reese
Gait
Doherty

in no particular order

And no one mentions O'Leary?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doherty , Reese, O'Leary, Levy, Spallina


Reese tons of talent w results
Levy defending champ and loaded up for more
Spallina. Does most w lesser known players SBtop 5 wow
Doherty final 4 consistancy and team gets better as year goes
KAH incredible legacy decade of dominance

Common factor in all those coaches. results
Totally agree Spallina has done amazing things with kids that have not been touted as "the best" ... even when he was at Adelphi he won championships and put them on the map. Its easy to win when you get the top athletes like Maryland and UNC; but Spallina makes his players better and actually has a plan going into a game that is executed and that is what makes him a good coach.

As for O'Leary... she has not produced a championship despite the talent that Florida draws.

Walker? She had Rix and Stanwick who made her look good, now she is more concerned with raising money at her camps, same with Levy. Doubt those two would give that up to coach the US Team anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
All you people saying that the U.S team is a political pick I wonder if your the same parents that said that the U.A. teams were fare and if your kid wasn't picked you're just "bitter," and your kid just " isn't good enough". How does that shoe feelnow that it'son the other foot?



I don't know about any answers to your questions, but I do know this: Your spelling is HORRIBLE! Good luck.
OK so you are defiantly on of those parents


Defiantly or definitely? cry
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Totally agree Spallina has done amazing things with kids that have not been touted as "the best" ... even when he was at Adelphi he won championships and put them on the map. Its easy to win when you get the top athletes like Maryland and UNC; but Spallina makes his players better and actually has a plan going into a game that is executed and that is what makes him a good coach.

As for O'Leary... she has not produced a championship despite the talent that Florida draws.

1.KAH- Great strategist and knows how to maximize the talents of each kid. Winner! Down side is that she isn't warm and fuzzy and the over all experience for the players comes up short !
2. Gait- Great developer of talent. Good strategist , comes up short in some of the Big games. Players love him!
Reese- Great recruiter, Very organized and has developed the best program.
3.Spallina- Like Gait is the best developer of talent. Can maximize each players talents. Understands how to exploit the rules and use it to his advantage better than anyone. He may end up being the best 10 years from now.
4.O'Leary- Best recruiter out there. Works the hardest to get kids in . Can't deny her record from day one. Might Not the best game day coach, but kids are prepared, in shape and athletic.
5.Levy- Another great recruiter, Built a great program. Have to see if she wins without Dowd to move her up on the list.
Honorable mention - Doherty



Walker? She had Rix and Stanwick who made her look good, now she is more concerned with raising money at her camps, same with Levy. Doubt those two would give that up to coach the US Team anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doherty , Reese, O'Leary, Levy, Spallina


Reese tons of talent w results
Levy defending champ and loaded up for more
Spallina. Does most w lesser known players SBtop 5 wow
Doherty final 4 consistancy and team gets better as year goes
KAH incredible legacy decade of dominance

Common factor in all those coaches. results
Most early season games even at the best schools only get a couple hundred fans. Attendance at Championship weekend has also been down 9 years in a row and now attendance is half of what it was just a decade ago. We need more competitive teams and new champions.

Look at college football over last 25 years. 17 winners vs 5 in Women's lacrosse
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most early season games even at the best schools only get a couple hundred fans. Attendance at Championship weekend has also been down 9 years in a row and now attendance is half of what it was just a decade ago. We need more competitive teams and new champions.

Look at college football over last 25 years. 17 winners vs 5 in Women's lacrosse


It's coming. You need to have the game spread at the youth and high school levels, which it is. USC is maybe ready to do it ... others will be over time as the stranglehold that MD/Mid-atlantic has had goes away. NU was first step. Now the disciples are following on. West at UA was much improved (final 4?) and top players are starting to come from different regions (see Michaels at USC).
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most early season games even at the best schools only get a couple hundred fans. Attendance at Championship weekend has also been down 9 years in a row and now attendance is half of what it was just a decade ago. We need more competitive teams and new champions.

Look at college football over last 25 years. 17 winners vs 5 in Women's lacrosse


In order to have more competitive teams there would have to be more competitive players. The reality is that lacrosse is still a niche sport and there is a limited number of high level athletes participating.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most early season games even at the best schools only get a couple hundred fans. Attendance at Championship weekend has also been down 9 years in a row and now attendance is half of what it was just a decade ago. We need more competitive teams and new champions.

Look at college football over last 25 years. 17 winners vs 5 in Women's lacrosse


In order to have more competitive teams there would have to be

more competitive players. The reality is that lacrosse is still a niche sport and there is a limited number of high level athletes participating.


All women's sports are like this, there is more parity in lax then there is in womens basketball or hockey. But I do agree it needs to get better. I think at Gillette this year it will be different, I hope they get a huge turnout.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Totally agree Spallina has done amazing things with kids that have not been touted as "the best" ... even when he was at Adelphi he won championships and put them on the map. Its easy to win when you get the top athletes like Maryland and UNC; but Spallina makes his players better and actually has a plan going into a game that is executed and that is what makes him a good coach.

As for O'Leary... she has not produced a championship despite the talent that Florida draws.

1.KAH- Great strategist and knows how to maximize the talents of each kid. Winner! Down side is that she isn't warm and fuzzy and the over all experience for the players comes up short !
2. Gait- Great developer of talent. Good strategist , comes up short in some of the Big games. Players love him!
Reese- Great recruiter, Very organized and has developed the best program.
3.Spallina- Like Gait is the best developer of talent. Can maximize each players talents. Understands how to exploit the rules and use it to his advantage better than anyone. He may end up being the best 10 years from now.
4.O'Leary- Best recruiter out there. Works the hardest to get kids in . Can't deny her record from day one. Might Not the best game day coach, but kids are prepared, in shape and athletic.
5.Levy- Another great recruiter, Built a great program. Have to see if she wins without Dowd to move her up on the list.
Honorable mention - Doherty



Walker? She had Rix and Stanwick who made her look good, now she is more concerned with raising money at her camps, same with Levy. Doubt those two would give that up to coach the US Team anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doherty , Reese, O'Leary, Levy, Spallina


Reese tons of talent w results
Levy defending champ and loaded up for more
Spallina. Does most w lesser known players SBtop 5 wow
Doherty final 4 consistancy and team gets better as year goes
KAH incredible legacy decade of dominance

Common factor in all those coaches. results


1.KAH- Great strategist and knows how to maximize the talents of each kid. Winner! Down side is that she isn't warm and fuzzy and the over all experience for the players comes up short !
2. Gait- Great developer of talent. Good strategist , comes up short in some of the Big games. Players love him!
3.Reese- Great recruiter, Very organized and has developed the best program.
4.Spallina- Like Gait is the best developer of talent. Can maximize each players talents. Understands how to exploit the rules and use it to his advantage better than anyone. He may end up being the best 10 years from now.
5A.O'Leary- Best recruiter out there. Works the hardest to get kids in . Can't deny her record from day one. Might Not the best game day coach, but kids are prepared, in shape and athletic.
5B.Levy- Another great recruiter, Built a great program. Have to see if she wins without Dowd to move her up on the list.
Honorable mention - Doherty

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most early season games even at the best schools only get a couple hundred fans. Attendance at Championship weekend has also been down 9 years in a row and now attendance is half of what it was just a decade ago. We need more competitive teams and new champions.

Look at college football over last 25 years. 17 winners vs 5 in Women's lacrosse


ok.....how many fans at...basketball, volleyball, swimming, field hockey, ice hockey, softball, cross country, track etc.....attendance based argument doesn't make sense
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most early season games even at the best schools only get a couple hundred fans. Attendance at Championship weekend has also been down 9 years in a row and now attendance is half of what it was just a decade ago. We need more competitive teams and new champions.

Look at college football over last 25 years. 17 winners vs 5 in Women's lacrosse


ok.....how many fans at...basketball, volleyball, swimming, field hockey, ice hockey, softball, cross country, track etc.....attendance based argument doesn't make sense


What?? Attendance is down last 10 years at the lax championship that's a fact. Is attendance down by half in those others sports? Not sure but since I haven't seen anything written I will say probably not. As far as the need for additional winners, it would be great for the sport to spread the championship wealth around. Not talking about football attendance but the sports ability to have different winners each year is good for the sport and attendance. How can our sport be adding teams but not adding fans? That is a huge problem
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most early season games even at the best schools only get a couple hundred fans. Attendance at Championship weekend has also been down 9 years in a row and now attendance is half of what it was just a decade ago. We need more competitive teams and new champions.

Look at college football over last 25 years. 17 winners vs 5 in Women's lacrosse


ok.....how many fans at...basketball, volleyball, swimming, field hockey, ice hockey, softball, cross country, track etc.....attendance based argument doesn't make sense


Only the top basketball and football teams get crowds. After that, family and other athletes who are compelled by their programs to attend other sports' events.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Totally agree Spallina has done amazing things with kids that have not been touted as "the best" ... even when he was at Adelphi he won championships and put them on the map. Its easy to win when you get the top athletes like Maryland and UNC; but Spallina makes his players better and actually has a plan going into a game that is executed and that is what makes him a good coach.

As for O'Leary... she has not produced a championship despite the talent that Florida draws.

1.KAH- Great strategist and knows how to maximize the talents of each kid. Winner! Down side is that she isn't warm and fuzzy and the over all experience for the players comes up short !
2. Gait- Great developer of talent. Good strategist , comes up short in some of the Big games. Players love him!
Reese- Great recruiter, Very organized and has developed the best program.
3.Spallina- Like Gait is the best developer of talent. Can maximize each players talents. Understands how to exploit the rules and use it to his advantage better than anyone. He may end up being the best 10 years from now.
4.O'Leary- Best recruiter out there. Works the hardest to get kids in . Can't deny her record from day one. Might Not the best game day coach, but kids are prepared, in shape and athletic.
5.Levy- Another great recruiter, Built a great program. Have to see if she wins without Dowd to move her up on the list.
Honorable mention - Doherty



Walker? She had Rix and Stanwick who made her look good, now she is more concerned with raising money at her camps, same with Levy. Doubt those two would give that up to coach the US Team anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doherty , Reese, O'Leary, Levy, Spallina


Reese tons of talent w results
Levy defending champ and loaded up for more
Spallina. Does most w lesser known players SBtop 5 wow
Doherty final 4 consistancy and team gets better as year goes
KAH incredible legacy decade of dominance

Common factor in all those coaches. results


1.KAH- Great strategist and knows how to maximize the talents of each kid. Winner! Down side is that she isn't warm and fuzzy and the over all experience for the players comes up short !
2. Gait- Great developer of talent. Good strategist , comes up short in some of the Big games. Players love him!
3.Reese- Great recruiter, Very organized and has developed the best program.
4.Spallina- Like Gait is the best developer of talent. Can maximize each players talents. Understands how to exploit the rules and use it to his advantage better than anyone. He may end up being the best 10 years from now.
5A.O'Leary- Best recruiter out there. Works the hardest to get kids in . Can't deny her record from day one. Might Not the best game day coach, but kids are prepared, in shape and athletic.
5B.Levy- Another great recruiter, Built a great program. Have to see if she wins without Dowd to move her up on the list.
Honorable mention - Doherty

O'Leary can't win a big game if her life depended on it, started by blowing a double digit lead against Syracuse years ago at NCAA weekend in Stony Brook and hasn't gotten any better. Looks to have a great team this year (last year too!), perhaps she should just let them play and not do too much in game coaching and her team just might win in spite of her
Shannon smith is gonna shock the lacrosse world over the next 3 years
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Shannon smith is gonna shock the lacrosse world over the next 3 years


Yes, I can definitely see a Hofstra vs UNC final this year.
Comment above is a downside of legalized weed...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon smith is gonna shock the lacrosse world over the next 3 years

She is going to try to coach, rather than rely on someone else??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon smith is gonna shock the lacrosse world over the next 3 years


Sounds like your daughter is a sophomre this year?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon smith is gonna shock the lacrosse world over the next 3 years


Time for your meds Bill
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon smith is gonna shock the lacrosse world over the next 3 years


Can no one recognize a pot-stirring troll? Don't even respond.
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon smith is gonna shock the lacrosse world over the next 3 years


Can no one recognize a pot-stirring troll? Don't even respond.

Exactly
That's what this whole website is about. What's the purpose of all these parents saying all thier BS anyway. So don't fool yourself, your all stirring the pot. My kid this, my team this, yellow jackets this, Reese this, really? Look in the mirror and... Well do what ever you think is best for you and yours.
D1 Final 8 in tourney:

UNC
Florida
Maryland
USC
Penn St
Northwestern
Duke
Syracuse

Might have been top 8 reg season but get knocked out ...
Stony Brook
Notre Dame


Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's what this whole website is about. What's the purpose of all these parents saying all thier BS anyway. So don't fool yourself, your all stirring the pot. My kid this, my team this, yellow jackets this, Reese this, really? Look in the mirror and... Well do what ever you think is best for you and yours.


Can't argue sense.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
D1 Final 8 in tourney:

UNC
Florida
Maryland
USC
Penn St
Northwestern
Duke
Syracuse

Might have been top 8 reg season but get knocked out ...
Stony Brook
Notre Dame




It is so early to do this now, you don't know about injuries? how other teams are playing at the time.
D2 predictions? (D2 hater please keep scrolling) NYIT could pull it off, New Haven looks good and dark horse could be Mercy
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
D1 Final 8 in tourney:

UNC
Florida
Maryland
USC
Penn St
Northwestern
Duke
Syracuse

Might have been top 8 reg season but get knocked out ...
Stony Brook
Notre Dame




It is so early to do this now, you don't know about injuries? how other teams are playing at the time.


all true but that's what predictions are ... a guess at the future with all it's unknowables. There are always many variables that change in any situation, business forecasting, investing, elections etc. It shouldn't prevent you from venturing forth with opinions. With the information available today, and my view of what is to come, these are my predictions. What's fun about it is to get to the end and see how right or wrong you were. At that point, you can evaluate all the the things that changed too. But if you don't stake out a position ahead of time, you can't have that satisfaction (or failure) in the future. Don't be so afraid to take the risk. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. By your method of waiting until everything is known, you will only be a historian. Live a little. Come out on the scary edge with me and make a women's college lacrosse prediction! Once you do, you will see it really isn't that scary after all.
No way Duke finishes ahead of Stonybrook.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
D2 predictions? (D2 hater please keep scrolling) NYIT could pull it off, New Haven looks good and dark horse could be Mercy



Obviously I'm not sure how they'll finish, but two teams I would watch out for are Rollins and Lindenwood.
Duke is terrible. But the great thing about this time of the year and predictions is that it's almost time for the season to start
Originally Posted by Anonymous
D2 predictions? (D2 hater please keep scrolling) NYIT could pull it off, New Haven looks good and dark horse could be Mercy


Until Fl Southern shows they weren't a fluke, money remains on Adelphi and Post again. They have won 9 of the last 10. Both schools have D1 talent that didn't want to leave LI. This was proven when Spalina took a bunch to SB when he jumped. These ladies can play! To get everyone talking and thumping their chests, I think both would be ranked around #40 in D1. What do you think?
I was at Hofstra for the headstrong tournament. Adelphi look very strong I say top 30 while post who lost a lot of talent looked very week. I don't have a child on either team. Just my opinion.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was at Hofstra for the headstrong tournament. Adelphi look very strong I say top 30 while post who lost a lot of talent looked very week. I don't have a child on either team. Just my opinion.



I was there too, and I agree. Adelphi looked strong.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
D2 predictions? (D2 hater please keep scrolling) NYIT could pull it off, New Haven looks good and dark horse could be Mercy


Until Fl Southern shows they weren't a fluke, money remains on Adelphi and Post again. They have won 9 of the last 10. Both schools have D1 talent that didn't want to leave LI. This was proven when Spalina took a bunch to SB when he jumped. These ladies can play! To get everyone talking and thumping their chests, I think both would be ranked around #40 in D1. What do you think?


Good point, Adelphi has always been strong. According to lax power the incoming team is not showing great talent but sometimes girls develop in college. What's up with Pace and the ever growing roster?? They will have almost 35 girls next year, and the school ain't cheap!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was at Hofstra for the headstrong tournament. Adelphi look very strong I say top 30 while post who lost a lot of talent looked very week. I don't have a child on either team. Just my opinion.


Yeah, sorry. Not a top 30 D1 team. Ohio St, Georgetown, Loyola?? Teams like that would destroy Adelphi.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was at Hofstra for the headstrong tournament. Adelphi look very strong I say top 30 while post who lost a lot of talent looked very week. I don't have a child on either team. Just my opinion.


Yeah, sorry. Not a top 30 D1 team. Ohio St, Georgetown, Loyola?? Teams like that would destroy Adelphi.



Georgetown? Seriously? Hahahahahahahahaha...you must have a kid on the Hoyas.
These are teams that finish last year from #40-111. Beating teams in the 40's might be tough but I think they could hang in there. Once you get closer to the bottom of the list Adelphi would smoke those d1 teams. The bottom of isn't very good and the ones that are good aren't very deep.
Rutgers
William & Mary
Boston U.
Monmouth
Harvard
Oregon
Denver
UMBC
Bryant
UC Davis
George Mason
Coastal Caro.
Yale
Furman
Columbia
Wagner
Marist
Marquette
Duquesne
Virginia Tech
Colgate
Richmond
Vanderbilt
Saint Joseph's
Campbell
Bucknell
Brown
Detroit
Davidson
San Diego St.
Fairfield
Villanova
Niagara
Iona
New Hampshire
Binghamton
Hofstra
California
American
Vermont
Fresno St.
Longwood
Lafayette
Cincinnati
Liberty
Robert Morris
Sacred Heart
Holy Cross
La Salle
George Washington
Siena
Mercer
Stetson
VCU
Mt. St. Mary's
Central Mich.
Kennesaw St.
Gardner-Webb
Saint Francis (PA)
Army West Point
Central Conn. St.
Manhattan
St. Bonaventure
Quinnipiac
UMass Lowell
St. Mary's (CA)
LIU Brooklyn
Presbyterian
Radford
Delaware St.
Howard
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was at Hofstra for the headstrong tournament. Adelphi look very strong I say top 30 while post who lost a lot of talent looked very week. I don't have a child on either team. Just my opinion.


Yeah, sorry. Not a top 30 D1 team. Ohio St, Georgetown, Loyola?? Teams like that would destroy Adelphi.



Georgetown? Seriously? Hahahahahahahahaha...you must have a kid on the Hoyas.


You really don't know women's lacrosse huh? Like Adelphi has a prayer of beating Duke? or losing to Florida 11-8? Yeah Georgetown should be way better than they r given supposedly good coach (he's not) and should be a great destination for girls. But to think Adelphi is better is just more delusional nonsense from a clearly clueless Adelphi daddy.
I didn't know duke was ranked down lower than 40?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These are teams that finish last year from #40-111. Beating teams in the 40's might be tough but I think they could hang in there. Once you get closer to the bottom of the list Adelphi would smoke those d1 teams. The bottom of isn't very good and the ones that are good aren't very deep.
Rutgers
William & Mary
Boston U.
Monmouth
Harvard
Oregon
Denver
UMBC
Bryant
UC Davis
George Mason
Coastal Caro.
Yale
Furman
Columbia
Wagner
Marist
Marquette
Duquesne
Virginia Tech
Colgate
Richmond
Vanderbilt
Saint Joseph's
Campbell
Bucknell
Brown
Detroit
Davidson
San Diego St.
Fairfield
Villanova
Niagara
Iona
New Hampshire
Binghamton
Hofstra
California
American
Vermont
Fresno St.
Longwood
Lafayette
Cincinnati
Liberty
Robert Morris
Sacred Heart
Holy Cross
La Salle
George Washington
Siena
Mercer
Stetson
VCU
Mt. St. Mary's
Central Mich.
Kennesaw St.
Gardner-Webb
Saint Francis (PA)
Army West Point
Central Conn. St.
Manhattan
St. Bonaventure
Quinnipiac
UMass Lowell
St. Mary's (CA)
LIU Brooklyn
Presbyterian
Radford
Delaware St.
Howard


Now someone is getting more realistic. Yes they would smoke the bottom of D1, as would the best teams in D3. And yes they would have trouble w the top of this list. And would themselves get smoked by top 30 D1 teams. This other joker poster should be mumbling to himself in a padded room at Bellevue.
This argument reminds me of the days of, my dad can beat your dad up. But just look back at the girls who were two time champs at Adelphi and then transferred to stonybrook. They help put stonybrook on the map and set some D1 records along the I'm not an Adelphi parent just someone who believes Adelphi would be in and around the top 30 in D1.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I didn't know duke was ranked down lower than 40?


Georgetown beat them last year d-bag
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This argument reminds me of the days of, my dad can beat your dad up. But just look back at the girls who were two time champs at Adelphi and then transferred to stonybrook. They help put stonybrook on the map and set some D1 records along the I'm not an Adelphi parent just someone who believes Adelphi would be in and around the top 30 in D1.


That's great that you believe that. They, however, despite your beliefs, wouldn't be a top 30 D1 team as currently constructed. It reminds me of a certain president, who despite the facts (or as his surrogate just said is putting forth "alternate facts") can't seem to grasp reality. Adelphi is not a top 30 D1 level team.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was at Hofstra for the headstrong tournament. Adelphi look very strong I say top 30 while post who lost a lot of talent looked very week. I don't have a child on either team. Just my opinion.


Yeah, sorry. Not a top 30 D1 team. Ohio St, Georgetown, Loyola?? Teams like that would destroy Adelphi.



Georgetown? Seriously? Hahahahahahahahaha...you must have a kid on the Hoyas.


You really don't know women's lacrosse huh? Like Adelphi has a prayer of beating Duke? or losing to Florida 11-8? Yeah Georgetown should be way better than they r given supposedly good coach (he's not) and should be a great destination for girls. But to think Adelphi is better is just more delusional nonsense from a clearly clueless Adelphi daddy.



I'm not an Adelphi (ugh) or Georgetown (ugh again)dad. My daughter plays at another school. But, I live in the DC/MD area and I know around here Georgetown is not considered a very good team (they should be, like you said) and I've seen Adelphi play and I think they could beat Georgetown.
This is a great conversation D1 is a great accomplishment and yes many of these LI kids get money to schools on the very bottom of this list but you are right the better D3 and D2's schools are much better than the bottom 30 or so D1 schools.
Does your daughter want a D2 national championship opportunity or play on the 100th ranked D1 school? Illustrates again that there is a place for everyone. Pick what is best but those D2 girls went to SB jumped that team to a top 20 D1 team overnight
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
This argument reminds me of the days of, my dad can beat your dad up. But just look back at the girls who were two time champs at Adelphi and then transferred to stonybrook. They help put stonybrook on the map and set some D1 records along the I'm not an Adelphi parent just someone who believes Adelphi would be in and around the top 30 in D1.


That's great that you believe that. They, however, despite your beliefs, wouldn't be a top 30 D1 team as currently constructed. It reminds me of a certain president, who despite the facts (or as his surrogate just said is putting forth "alternate facts") can't seem to grasp reality. Adelphi is not a top 30 D1 level team.



Ha...Well little socialist/liberal.......you should embrace that all the schools are equal.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a great conversation D1 is a great accomplishment and yes many of these LI kids get money to schools on the very bottom of this list but you are right the better D3 and D2's schools are much better than the bottom 30 or so D1 schools.
Does your daughter want a D2 national championship opportunity or play on the 100th ranked D1 school? Illustrates again that there is a place for everyone. Pick what is best but those D2 girls went to SB jumped that team to a top 20 D1 team overnight


Yup. And does your daughter want a great education at a top 30 D1 lax program and academic school? Get great grades first and foremost, and work super hard on her skills and fitness.
Adelphi will struggle this year. The talent has been depleted and not replaced. PM has no clue about girls lax. Just because he was a great men's player does not make him a girls lax coach at the d-2 level. In close game's he gets out coached, but the talent from those 1st 2 years he was able to get by. He lost the championship last year because he was out coached by Florida Southern and he looked like a dear in the headlights on the sideline's.
My daughter plays for another d-2 program this is just my opinion. Go Back to boys PM where you belong.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
This argument reminds me of the days of, my dad can beat your dad up. But just look back at the girls who were two time champs at Adelphi and then transferred to stonybrook. They help put stonybrook on the map and set some D1 records along the I'm not an Adelphi parent just someone who believes Adelphi would be in and around the top 30 in D1.


That's great that you believe that. They, however, despite your beliefs, wouldn't be a top 30 D1 team as currently constructed. It reminds me of a certain president, who despite the facts (or as his surrogate just said is putting forth "alternate facts") can't seem to grasp reality. Adelphi is not a top 30 D1 level team.



Ha...Well little socialist/liberal.......you should embrace that all the schools are equal.


Knew that was coming. You don't even know who you just elected as president moron. I'm about as far from a liberal/socialist as u will find. DJT is not a conservative. Google "20 committee" and follow John on twitter for a little while. You will learn quite a lot from the former intelligence officer and War College professor. He, too, is no liberal/socialist. Educate yourself, just a little, please.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This argument reminds me of the days of, my dad can beat your dad up. But just look back at the girls who were two time champs at Adelphi and then transferred to stonybrook. They help put stonybrook on the map and set some D1 records along the I'm not an Adelphi parent just someone who believes Adelphi would be in and around the top 30 in D1.


That's great that you believe that. They, however, despite your beliefs, wouldn't be a top 30 D1 team as currently constructed. It reminds me of a certain president, who despite the facts (or as his surrogate just said is putting forth "alternate facts") can't seem to grasp reality. Adelphi is not a top 30 D1 level team.



Ha...Well little socialist/liberal.......you should embrace that all the schools are equal.


Funny, isn't lacrosse like affirmative action? My 88 gpa kid shouldn't get a sniff of Duke but since she is good with a stick well...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Adelphi will struggle this year. The talent has been depleted and not replaced. PM has no clue about girls lax. Just because he was a great men's player does not make him a girls lax coach at the d-2 level. In close game's he gets out coached, but the talent from those 1st 2 years he was able to get by. He lost the championship last year because he was out coached by Florida Southern and he looked like a dear in the headlights on the sideline's.
My daughter plays for another d-2 program this is just my opinion. Go Back to boys PM where you belong.


If your daughter plays elsewhere, why are you concerned about Adelphi?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This argument reminds me of the days of, my dad can beat your dad up. But just look back at the girls who were two time champs at Adelphi and then transferred to stonybrook. They help put stonybrook on the map and set some D1 records along the I'm not an Adelphi parent just someone who believes Adelphi would be in and around the top 30 in D1.


That's great that you believe that. They, however, despite your beliefs, wouldn't be a top 30 D1 team as currently constructed. It reminds me of a certain president, who despite the facts (or as his surrogate just said is putting forth "alternate facts") can't seem to grasp reality. Adelphi is not a top 30 D1 level team.



Ha...Well little socialist/liberal.......you should embrace that all the schools are equal.


Knew that was coming. You don't even know who you just elected as president moron. I'm about as far from a liberal/socialist as u will find. DJT is not a conservative. Google "20 committee" and follow John on twitter for a little while. You will learn quite a lot from the former intelligence officer and War College professor. He, too, is no liberal/socialist. Educate yourself, just a little, please.


That is the exact problem with you liberal A holes! You have to bring politics into everything! You are the Jehovah Witness of politics. Believe what you want. No one cares about your opinion. Especially on a Lacrosse site! idiot!
Because they were the best d-2 team moron it's hard not following them. But its now over lets go Pioneers.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This argument reminds me of the days of, my dad can beat your dad up. But just look back at the girls who were two time champs at Adelphi and then transferred to stonybrook. They help put stonybrook on the map and set some D1 records along the I'm not an Adelphi parent just someone who believes Adelphi would be in and around the top 30 in D1.


That's great that you believe that. They, however, despite your beliefs, wouldn't be a top 30 D1 team as currently constructed. It reminds me of a certain president, who despite the facts (or as his surrogate just said is putting forth "alternate facts") can't seem to grasp reality. Adelphi is not a top 30 D1 level team.



Ha...Well little socialist/liberal.......you should embrace that all the schools are equal.


Knew that was coming. You don't even know who you just elected as president moron. I'm about as far from a liberal/socialist as u will find. DJT is not a conservative. Google "20 committee" and follow John on twitter for a little while. You will learn quite a lot from the former intelligence officer and War College professor. He, too, is no liberal/socialist. Educate yourself, just a little, please.


I know....your far from a liberal/socialist....ok sure you are. You can go on google and find any fake news BS you want. But who cares....you my friend are what you are....go cry in the corner.... snowflake
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This argument reminds me of the days of, my dad can beat your dad up. But just look back at the girls who were two time champs at Adelphi and then transferred to stonybrook. They help put stonybrook on the map and set some D1 records along the I'm not an Adelphi parent just someone who believes Adelphi would be in and around the top 30 in D1.


That's great that you believe that. They, however, despite your beliefs, wouldn't be a top 30 D1 team as currently constructed. It reminds me of a certain president, who despite the facts (or as his surrogate just said is putting forth "alternate facts") can't seem to grasp reality. Adelphi is not a top 30 D1 level team.



Ha...Well little socialist/liberal.......you should embrace that all the schools are equal.


Knew that was coming. You don't even know who you just elected as president moron. I'm about as far from a liberal/socialist as u will find. DJT is not a conservative. Google "20 committee" and follow John on twitter for a little while. You will learn quite a lot from the former intelligence officer and War College professor. He, too, is no liberal/socialist. Educate yourself, just a little, please.


That is the exact problem with you liberal A holes! You have to bring politics into everything! You are the Jehovah Witness of politics. Believe what you want. No one cares about your opinion. Especially on a Lacrosse site! idiot!


U sound pretty dumb. I just told u I'm not a liberal. R u that stupid? Put down the bottle and learn something. Maybe first learn to read?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This argument reminds me of the days of, my dad can beat your dad up. But just look back at the girls who were two time champs at Adelphi and then transferred to stonybrook. They help put stonybrook on the map and set some D1 records along the I'm not an Adelphi parent just someone who believes Adelphi would be in and around the top 30 in D1.


That's great that you believe that. They, however, despite your beliefs, wouldn't be a top 30 D1 team as currently constructed. It reminds me of a certain president, who despite the facts (or as his surrogate just said is putting forth "alternate facts") can't seem to grasp reality. Adelphi is not a top 30 D1 level team.



Ha...Well little socialist/liberal.......you should embrace that all the schools are equal.


Knew that was coming. You don't even know who you just elected as president moron. I'm about as far from a liberal/socialist as u will find. DJT is not a conservative. Google "20 committee" and follow John on twitter for a little while. You will learn quite a lot from the former intelligence officer and War College professor. He, too, is no liberal/socialist. Educate yourself, just a little, please.


I know....your far from a liberal/socialist....ok sure you are. You can go on google and find any fake news BS you want. But who cares....you my friend are what you are....go cry in the corner.... snowflake


OK Dumb Dumb.
Northwestern 9-7 over Canisius. Tied at half and no goals in last 11 plus minutes. A win is a win early in the season or a red flag?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Northwestern 9-7 over Canisius. Tied at half and no goals in last 11 plus minutes. A win is a win early in the season or a red flag?


No goals in the last 11 minutes with the new shot clock rule? That's as surprising and unexpected as the close score.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Northwestern 9-7 over Canisius. Tied at half and no goals in last 11 plus minutes. A win is a win early in the season or a red flag?


No goals in the last 11 minutes with the new shot clock rule? That's as surprising and unexpected as the close score.


Was a close game. I think it says as much about Canisius as anything. Towards the end of last year, the Griffins lost to Syracuse 13-11 and Cornell 15-11. They are coached by the Canadian women's National Team coach. I'm not sure what the result says about Northwestern, but I think it says Canisius is likely to take another step forward into the top 25 at least. Also, it was 29 degrees and snowing by the second half. Northwestern won 17 of 18 draws and outshot the Griffs by quite a bit. Griff Goalie made 16 saves.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Northwestern 9-7 over Canisius. Tied at half and no goals in last 11 plus minutes. A win is a win early in the season or a red flag?


It's January!
Draw controls were 17-1. Amazing the game was close.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Draw controls were 17-1. Amazing the game was close.


I think you will see more of this because of the shot clock. Teams will be forced to rush and take some bad shots leading to opponents having more of a chance to gain possession of the ball without winning the draw. More shots does not always equal more goals
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Northwestern 9-7 over Canisius. Tied at half and no goals in last 11 plus minutes. A win is a win early in the season or a red flag?


Lets put the cats in the final four now!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Draw controls were 17-1. Amazing the game was close.

Canisius goalie had 16 saves. Only reason this game was close
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Draw controls were 17-1. Amazing the game was close.


It's going to be a long season for NU.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Draw controls were 17-1. Amazing the game was close.


It's going to be a long season for NU.


Did Syracuse suck last year?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Draw controls were 17-1. Amazing the game was close.


It's going to be a long season for NU.


Did Syracuse suck last year?


That game was played in a snow storm and they couldn't even finish it, the last 5-10 min were played another day
Also believe game was part of a orange double
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Northwestern 9-7 over Canisius. Tied at half and no goals in last 11 plus minutes. A win is a win early in the season or a red flag?


Too early really. Game played in trying conditions. I'll wait a bit before making an analysis.
There are 5 girls on NU roster from Long Island... and 0 on Can's roster from Long Island. You are the only 5 people that really care how the NU women's lacrosse team does. Let's see how long you 5 can keep this conversation going about NU.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are 5 girls on NU roster from Long Island... and 0 on Can's roster from Long Island. You are the only 5 people that really care how the NU women's lacrosse team does. Let's see how long you 5 can keep this conversation going about NU.


From BOTC home page you navigate to....
Main Forum then to.....
2016 women's college lacrosse season.
What is your point about Long Island? Why would you assume the only people to contribute to this thread would only be from Long Island? BOTC sorta started with LI but has easily spread to the other areas where lacrosse is a focus.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are 5 girls on NU roster from Long Island... and 0 on Can's roster from Long Island. You are the only 5 people that really care how the NU women's lacrosse team does. Let's see how long you 5 can keep this conversation going about NU.


Nice detective work Watson
Hey come on let's be humane- there are cry rooms they don't have to huddle in some corner!!! And theres Lego and stuffed animals to comfort them too..
Here comes SB
Hey maybe we can get a 2017 season thread started?
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Hey maybe we can get a 2017 season thread started?


Yeah agreed. Decent games today. Probably watch that Oregon v Michigan tilt today online. Anyone else think Katrina and that coaching staff will create high level lacrosse and quickly?
Good one in Carolina too. UNC leading James Madison 9-8, just after halftime. JMU led most of thwe 1st.
UNC 15, JMU 14 - with 5:52 to go. Look out CAA, JMU looks to be for real.
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Good one in Carolina too. UNC leading James Madison 9-8, just after halftime. JMU led most of thwe 1st.


Are you able to watch it somehow?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good one in Carolina too. UNC leading James Madison 9-8, just after halftime. JMU led most of thwe 1st.


Are you able to watch it somehow?



Unfortunately no. They had a live stats link. UNC won 16-14. UNC had a 22-10 edge in DC's and a 41-29 shot advantage and still won by only two. It appears that JMU played very well.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here comes SB


SB 5- Towson 5 halftime
I'm pretty sure SB & Towson were tied 5-5 at the half.
They must be jealous. NU probably didn't answer his daughters email, lol.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good one in Carolina too. UNC leading James Madison 9-8, just after halftime. JMU led most of thwe 1st.


Are you able to watch it somehow?


16-14 UNC final. Best part of the game was UNC up 3-4 with under 10 min and the shot clock forced them to shoot and give JMU an opportunity to get back in it. Great rule for the game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Good one in Carolina too. UNC leading James Madison 9-8, just after halftime. JMU led most of thwe 1st.


Are you able to watch it somehow?

ESPN 3
Stony Brook over Towson 10-9 with 6 seconds left in regulation.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook over Towson 10-9 with 6 seconds left in regulation.


Shot clock has an effect on the outcome of a game in week 1. Very exciting
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook over Towson 10-9 with 6 seconds left in regulation.


Shot clock has an effect on the outcome of a game in week 1. Very exciting


surprised game was even that close. First game jitters for stony brook? Any one watch the game?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook over Towson 10-9 with 6 seconds left in regulation.


Shot clock has an effect on the outcome of a game in week 1. Very exciting


surprised game was even that close. First game jitters for stony brook? Any one watch the game?
Yes, I did, but you don't want my opinion, you would just say I'm jealous or bitter, or call my kid a loser or that she sucks
Very good game not sure why people are surprised Towson has almost entire team return from their great team last year. Sb looked tight but I guess everyone is when it's 30 degrees Loyola
Also surprised UNC two goal game w unranked JMU These type of results are typical early in season
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Very good game not sure why people are surprised Towson has almost entire team return from their great team last year. Sb looked tight but I guess everyone is when it's 30 degrees Loyola
Also surprised UNC two goal game w unranked JMU These type of results are typical early in season


Thanks Jimmy the Greek..
SB was out played! Towson had nothing dialed in for creating a scoring opportunity...they let it get away


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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very good game not sure why people are surprised Towson has almost entire team return from their great team last year. Sb looked tight but I guess everyone is when it's 30 degrees Loyola
Also surprised UNC two goal game w unranked JMU These type of results are typical early in season


Thanks Jimmy the Greek..
duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??
Lets see if Northwestern can do better than the 15-3 thrashing at the hands of Notre Dame in last year's NCAAs. Of course they did beat ND 17-12 in regular season so maybe it will be closer than last time?
Does SB blame the Inside Lacrosse cover jinx?
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Does SB blame the Inside Lacrosse cover jinx?


Perhaps. I think Towson should also get some props here for playing a great game. Towson blew it down the end with not even getting a shot off or at least throwing it into the corner to pin stony brook down there. Instead they turned it over at the top of the circle allowing SB to come down easily and draw a foul for a free shot. Tough ending for Towson, perhaps a wake up call for SB. Looking forward to watching stony brook progress through the season.
Nice to see Stony Brook featured on the cover of USLacrosse Magazine.

Not a big fan of the "Long Island Attitude" theme of the article. What is embracing "The Long Island thing"? A vast majority of the lacrosse players go away to school of all types academically--this article seems to imply that the "Long Island thing" players stay home and go to Stony Brook-because they apparently don't go to Hofstra either.

Despite yesterdays game (a win is a win, even if you lug it out) I'm looking for good things this year from the team. If you want to sell the team as a team with a chip on its shoulder so be it. The "Long Island Thing" does not represent the vast majority of players from Long Island.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does SB blame the Inside Lacrosse cover jinx?


they won right? am I missing something? against a very stout opponent..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB was out played! Towson had nothing dialed in for creating a scoring opportunity...they let it get away


[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Very good game not sure why people are surprised Towson has almost entire team return from their great team last year. Sb looked tight but I guess everyone is when it's 30 degrees Loyola
Also surprised UNC two goal game w unranked JMU These type of results are typical early in season


Towson did play great today. Thry did get good looks at the end but had a goal called back and Stony Brooks goalie came up big. It was nice to see a bunch of Long Island girls performing well for Towson. If this game and the UNC game proves anything is it might be a long season for Hofstra as it looks like the CAA has some talented teams.
They won stupid
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They won stupid



Spoken like a true CR [lacrosse] kidding, yj puke.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does SB blame the Inside Lacrosse cover jinx?


they won right? am I missing something? against a very stout opponent..


4th ranked team beating 19th ranked team in the last 5 sec..thats what you might be missing...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does SB blame the Inside Lacrosse cover jinx?


they won right? am I missing something? against a very stout opponent..


4th ranked team beating 19th ranked team in the last 5 sec..thats what you might be missing...


both unc and sbu ran into goalies who had great games, otherwise neither game would have been that close
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does SB blame the Inside Lacrosse cover jinx?


they won right? am I missing something? against a very stout opponent..


4th ranked team beating 19th ranked team in the last 5 sec..thats what you might be missing...


both unc and sbu ran into goalies who had great games, otherwise neither game would have been that close


Goalie play had nothing to do with SB Towson Game. Stats right down the line were split. Towson went toe to toe on shots, draw control, caused turn overs, ground balls, and saves. If anything Towson needs to work on shots on goal as they had a very low percentage. You make it sound like they ran into a goalie that owned them, not the case at all especially in the second half.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does SB blame the Inside Lacrosse cover jinx?


they won right? am I missing something? against a very stout opponent..


4th ranked team beating 19th ranked team in the last 5 sec..thats what you might be missing...


both unc and sbu ran into goalies who had great games, otherwise neither game would have been that close
Did't watch UNC, but did watch SB and to say that that game would not have been close but for the goalie is a lie. Towson's goalie struggled and was only in due to an injury. she only saved 8 so a blowout was not in the cards, though she will be better when she calms down and gets used to the speed. Towson also looked sloppy on both ends with what seemd like no set plays that were effective on the O side. they were effective on limiting the SB ball hogs to 1 goal each with should become the blue print to beating them. Take T.O. and Murphy out of the game and you can win. Some bad calls also hurt Towson especially late
Duke squeaks by Drexel?!? As far as Towson SB I read that both teams had an incredible 90% of scoring returning and 10 starters each! Think both of these teams will have nice years. Interesting UNC struggles vs JMU as well
Notre Dame looked bad today
Originally Posted by Anonymous
duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??


I respect the stance and integrity head coach maintains about refusing to verbal players early, but I do think that policy costs them an elite talent or two each year that can make the difference between them being consistently very, very good but not elite.
90 second clock has changed the game folks
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??


I respect the stance and integrity head coach maintains about refusing to verbal players early, but I do think that policy costs them an elite talent or two each year that can make the difference between them being consistently very, very good but not elite.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??


I respect the stance and integrity head coach maintains about refusing to verbal players early, but I do think that policy costs them an elite talent or two each year that can make the difference between them being consistently very, very good but not elite.


They commit to plenty of freshman..mainly low character YJ players so no high moral ground.. Not enough wins.
Duke beating Drexel by 2 and was losing at half. SB beating a very good experienced Towson by 1 and #1 UNC beating an unranked tough JMU Even Northwestern beating unranked Canisiusby 2 Then playing better vs ND yesterday. Early season Lacrosse seems to level theplaying field until teams find their way. Love the start of the season already.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??


I respect the stance and integrity head coach maintains about refusing to verbal players early, but I do think that policy costs them an elite talent or two each year that can make the difference between them being consistently very, very good but not elite.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??


I respect the stance and integrity head coach maintains about refusing to verbal players early, but I do think that policy costs them an elite talent or two each year that can make the difference between them being consistently very, very good but not elite.


They commit to plenty of freshman..mainly low character YJ players so no high moral ground.. Not enough wins.


Exactly correct.. has what 5,6 2019's now. Just not making it happen.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Duke beating Drexel by 2 and was losing at half. SB beating a very good experienced Towson by 1 and #1 UNC beating an unranked tough JMU Even Northwestern beating unranked Canisiusby 2 Then playing better vs ND yesterday. Early season Lacrosse seems to level theplaying field until teams find their way. Love the start of the season already.


I'm kind of new to the women's game. my sons both played now my daughter is coming along(6th grade) so we've been watching some of these games online. hope this doesn't offend, but the game is kind of hard to watch to me. so many fouls for one, but no one ever goes off the field. 7 players instead of 6- not much room in the zone. seems like no flow and rhythm to it? is it just gonna take me a while to get a taste for it??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??


I respect the stance and integrity head coach maintains about refusing to verbal players early, but I do think that policy costs them an elite talent or two each year that can make the difference between them being consistently very, very good but not elite.
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duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??


I respect the stance and integrity head coach maintains about refusing to verbal players early, but I do think that policy costs them an elite talent or two each year that can make the difference between them being consistently very, very good but not elite.


They commit to plenty of freshman..mainly low character YJ players so no high moral ground.. Not enough wins.


Exactly correct.. has what 5,6 2019's now. Just not making it happen.


Could you be any more of an [lacrosse] coward. You should let the fathers of these girls know how you feel, don't worry your wife knows what an impotent coward you are.
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Notre Dame looked bad today


yup. and their recruiting pipeline doesnt look very good either.
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Duke beating Drexel by 2 and was losing at half. SB beating a very good experienced Towson by 1 and #1 UNC beating an unranked tough JMU Even Northwestern beating unranked Canisiusby 2 Then playing better vs ND yesterday. Early season Lacrosse seems to level theplaying field until teams find their way. Love the start of the season already.


I'm kind of new to the women's game. my sons both played now my daughter is coming along(6th grade) so we've been watching some of these games online. hope this doesn't offend, but the game is kind of hard to watch to me. so many fouls for one, but no one ever goes off the field. 7 players instead of 6- not much room in the zone. seems like no flow and rhythm to it? is it just gonna take me a while to get a taste for it??


I started out coming from boy's lacrosse so I know what you're talking about. It's not the same game. I didn't have kids who played field hockey but I hear it's similar to that vis--vis the whistles and stops. You do get used to it though. At least now with a shot clock you won't have to suffer through the stall.
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duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??


I respect the stance and integrity head coach maintains about refusing to verbal players early, but I do think that policy costs them an elite talent or two each year that can make the difference between them being consistently very, very good but not elite.
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duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??


I respect the stance and integrity head coach maintains about refusing to verbal players early, but I do think that policy costs them an elite talent or two each year that can make the difference between them being consistently very, very good but not elite.


They commit to plenty of freshman..mainly low character YJ players so no high moral ground.. Not enough wins.


Exactly correct.. has what 5,6 2019's now. Just not making it happen.


Could you be any more of an [lacrosse] coward. You should let the fathers of these girls know how you feel, don't worry your wife knows what an impotent coward you are.


lumpy mattress? Falcons fan? was merely stating that they do in fact recruit early much like the others. not singling out anyone's child..
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Notre Dame looked bad today


slow start maybe. that freshman from MD went crazy had what 4 goals? easy transition to D1 huh?
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Duke beating Drexel by 2 and was losing at half. SB beating a very good experienced Towson by 1 and #1 UNC beating an unranked tough JMU Even Northwestern beating unranked Canisiusby 2 Then playing better vs ND yesterday. Early season Lacrosse seems to level theplaying field until teams find their way. Love the start of the season already.


I'm kind of new to the women's game. my sons both played now my daughter is coming along(6th grade) so we've been watching some of these games online. hope this doesn't offend, but the game is kind of hard to watch to me. so many fouls for one, but no one ever goes off the field. 7 players instead of 6- not much room in the zone. seems like no flow and rhythm to it? is it just gonna take me a while to get a taste for it??


I started out coming from boy's lacrosse so I know what you're talking about. It's not the same game. I didn't have kids who played field hockey but I hear it's similar to that vis--vis the whistles and stops. You do get used to it though. At least now with a shot clock you won't have to suffer through the stall.


I look at it quite differently, have both son and daughter who play lacrosse. I actually like the girls game much better, it is more pure. Boys the constant swinging, hacking, hitting and individual ball possession is taking something away. But you also need to be watching women's lacrosse the way it was meant to be played, fast transition, ball movements, cuts and feeds. It is a pleasure to watch. But when teams resort to isolation play and swinging and banging, I agree, not fun to watch.
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duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??


I respect the stance and integrity head coach maintains about refusing to verbal players early, but I do think that policy costs them an elite talent or two each year that can make the difference between them being consistently very, very good but not elite.
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duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??


I respect the stance and integrity head coach maintains about refusing to verbal players early, but I do think that policy costs them an elite talent or two each year that can make the difference between them being consistently very, very good but not elite.


They commit to plenty of freshman..mainly low character YJ players so no high moral ground.. Not enough wins.


Exactly correct.. has what 5,6 2019's now. Just not making it happen.


Could you be any more of an [lacrosse] coward. You should let the fathers of these girls know how you feel, don't worry your wife knows what an impotent coward you are.


lumpy mattress? Falcons fan? was merely stating that they do in fact recruit early much like the others. not singling out anyone's child..


2019s are Soph and they committed after Freshman year ended. They had no 2020s committed before their winter camp in Dec. Some schools are pushing 8th graders now ahead of the recruiting change and they will not do that. They are much later in the process for several reasons but that is the primary one. Seems like you were not a potential recruit for the school otherwise you would have the details.
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duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??


I respect the stance and integrity head coach maintains about refusing to verbal players early, but I do think that policy costs them an elite talent or two each year that can make the difference between them being consistently very, very good but not elite.
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duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??


I respect the stance and integrity head coach maintains about refusing to verbal players early, but I do think that policy costs them an elite talent or two each year that can make the difference between them being consistently very, very good but not elite.


They commit to plenty of freshman..mainly low character YJ players so no high moral ground.. Not enough wins.


Exactly correct.. has what 5,6 2019's now. Just not making it happen.


Could you be any more of an [lacrosse] coward. You should let the fathers of these girls know how you feel, don't worry your wife knows what an impotent coward you are.


their questioning the program, not your precious YJ's.
Notre Dames issue is coaching not personnel
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duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??


I respect the stance and integrity head coach maintains about refusing to verbal players early, but I do think that policy costs them an elite talent or two each year that can make the difference between them being consistently very, very good but not elite.
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duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??


I respect the stance and integrity head coach maintains about refusing to verbal players early, but I do think that policy costs them an elite talent or two each year that can make the difference between them being consistently very, very good but not elite.


They commit to plenty of freshman..mainly low character YJ players so no high moral ground.. Not enough wins.


Exactly correct.. has what 5,6 2019's now. Just not making it happen.


Could you be any more of an [lacrosse] coward. You should let the fathers of these girls know how you feel, don't worry your wife knows what an impotent coward you are.


their questioning the program, not your precious YJ's.
So take "mainly low character YJ players" as. It a shot at the kids?
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duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??


I respect the stance and integrity head coach maintains about refusing to verbal players early, but I do think that policy costs them an elite talent or two each year that can make the difference between them being consistently very, very good but not elite.
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duke v Drexel today should be a good watch. Anyone else think it's odd that the blue devils don't win a bit more and make consistent noise in the NCAA's?? That campus, the reputation, the basketball tradition, who would not want to go there??


I respect the stance and integrity head coach maintains about refusing to verbal players early, but I do think that policy costs them an elite talent or two each year that can make the difference between them being consistently very, very good but not elite.


They commit to plenty of freshman..mainly low character YJ players so no high moral ground.. Not enough wins.


Exactly correct.. has what 5,6 2019's now. Just not making it happen.


Could you be any more of an [lacrosse] coward. You should let the fathers of these girls know how you feel, don't worry your wife knows what an impotent coward you are.


their questioning the program, not your precious YJ's.

Then whats a "low character" player?
Too cold in February and March in the northeast. If you agree, consider the colleges in the Sunshine State Conference. Teams getting better each year. Just ask Adelphi. Conference adding [2] more teams next year. D2 offers a nice balance of work and play. Kids get to take the major of their choice, have time for a part time job, time to socialize, along with playing the sport the love. It's still a big time commitment to lacrosse......but not overkill. And unlike D3, they can offer athletic money. Not as much as D1, but if your daughter has good grades to go along with good lacrosse skills, she can get very good offer.
Duke does lose out on some kids because they still make you go through the admissions process. If you are not a 95 plus student with a 1300 SAT you are risking being denied. Coach says she is pretty sure you will get in if your SAT is close and you maintain your 92 GPA. The problem is it is a risk to take, if you don't get in you may have left a lot of scholarship money on the table to a school that tells you that you are definitely getting in. It is a lot of money for the top players to be risking.
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Notre Dames issue is coaching not personnel



Maybe, and she seems to have turned away from LI and MD talent for future recruiting classes favoring other areas. Can't see that decision playing out to well for her..
Some of the LI recruits at ND are comical. Just look at 19s and 20 committed kids
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Duke does lose out on some kids because they still make you go through the admissions process. If you are not a 95 plus student with a 1300 SAT you are risking being denied. Coach says she is pretty sure you will get in if your SAT is close and you maintain your 92 GPA. The problem is it is a risk to take, if you don't get in you may have left a lot of scholarship money on the table to a school that tells you that you are definitely getting in. It is a lot of money for the top players to be risking.


There are tons of schools that will walk recruits in if they hit the ncaa minimums which is just a little more than knowing how to spell your name. I didn't know Duke was this tough on lacrosse girls because they clearly walk minimum kids in for basketball and football.
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Duke does lose out on some kids because they still make you go through the admissions process. If you are not a 95 plus student with a 1300 SAT you are risking being denied. Coach says she is pretty sure you will get in if your SAT is close and you maintain your 92 GPA. The problem is it is a risk to take, if you don't get in you may have left a lot of scholarship money on the table to a school that tells you that you are definitely getting in. It is a lot of money for the top players to be risking.


There are tons of schools that will walk recruits in if they hit the ncaa minimums which is just a little more than knowing how to spell your name. I didn't know Duke was this tough on lacrosse girls because they clearly walk minimum kids in for basketball and football.


yes you are right. the post above had a bunch of made-up info. on it. what the womens lacrosse is held to standards miles above the mens basketball and football?? not how the world works.
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Duke beating Drexel by 2 and was losing at half. SB beating a very good experienced Towson by 1 and #1 UNC beating an unranked tough JMU Even Northwestern beating unranked Canisiusby 2 Then playing better vs ND yesterday. Early season Lacrosse seems to level theplaying field until teams find their way. Love the start of the season already.


I'm kind of new to the women's game. my sons both played now my daughter is coming along(6th grade) so we've been watching some of these games online. hope this doesn't offend, but the game is kind of hard to watch to me. so many fouls for one, but no one ever goes off the field. 7 players instead of 6- not much room in the zone. seems like no flow and rhythm to it? is it just gonna take me a while to get a taste for it??


I started out coming from boy's lacrosse so I know what you're talking about. It's not the same game. I didn't have kids who played field hockey but I hear it's similar to that vis--vis the whistles and stops. You do get used to it though. At least now with a shot clock you won't have to suffer through the stall.


I look at it quite differently, have both son and daughter who play lacrosse. I actually like the girls game much better, it is more pure. Boys the constant swinging, hacking, hitting and individual ball possession is taking something away. But you also need to be watching women's lacrosse the way it was meant to be played, fast transition, ball movements, cuts and feeds. It is a pleasure to watch. But when teams resort to isolation play and swinging and banging, I agree, not fun to watch.


I hope you're right. its just a few days into the season probly part of it, but in the 2 games I watched I don't think I saw a single assisted goal. whats with the free position? why don't they send a player off and have a 7-6 player advantage for 2 mins, releasable?? would see some passing instead of another solo play..
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Duke does lose out on some kids because they still make you go through the admissions process. If you are not a 95 plus student with a 1300 SAT you are risking being denied. Coach says she is pretty sure you will get in if your SAT is close and you maintain your 92 GPA. The problem is it is a risk to take, if you don't get in you may have left a lot of scholarship money on the table to a school that tells you that you are definitely getting in. It is a lot of money for the top players to be risking.


There are tons of schools that will walk recruits in if they hit the ncaa minimums which is just a little more than knowing how to spell your name. I didn't know Duke was this tough on lacrosse girls because they clearly walk minimum kids in for basketball and football.


yes you are right. the post above had a bunch of made-up info. on it. what the womens lacrosse is held to standards miles above the mens basketball and football?? not how the world works.


Yes, it is how the world works. Mens' basketball, and I assume football, is held to a different, much lower standard than just about any other team. I hear it first hand from my kids. And I'm just talking academics. You can look to the news to see how they are not held accountable for sexual assaults where the schools are complicit in cover ups. What about that Duke bball player who was suspended for tripping other players? Suspended 3 games. Pffft.
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Some of the LI recruits at ND are comical. Just look at 19s and 20 committed kids


What do you mean?
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Duke does lose out on some kids because they still make you go through the admissions process. If you are not a 95 plus student with a 1300 SAT you are risking being denied. Coach says she is pretty sure you will get in if your SAT is close and you maintain your 92 GPA. The problem is it is a risk to take, if you don't get in you may have left a lot of scholarship money on the table to a school that tells you that you are definitely getting in. It is a lot of money for the top players to be risking.


There are tons of schools that will walk recruits in if they hit the ncaa minimums which is just a little more than knowing how to spell your name. I didn't know Duke was this tough on lacrosse girls because they clearly walk minimum kids in for basketball and football.


yes you are right. the post above had a bunch of made-up info. on it. what the womens lacrosse is held to standards miles above the mens basketball and football?? not how the world works.


It wasn't made up. Straight from the coaches mouth. You may get an exception from admissions here or there but remember there are only 12- 15 Basketball players.
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Duke does lose out on some kids because they still make you go through the admissions process. If you are not a 95 plus student with a 1300 SAT you are risking being denied. Coach says she is pretty sure you will get in if your SAT is close and you maintain your 92 GPA. The problem is it is a risk to take, if you don't get in you may have left a lot of scholarship money on the table to a school that tells you that you are definitely getting in. It is a lot of money for the top players to be risking.


There are tons of schools that will walk recruits in if they hit the ncaa minimums which is just a little more than knowing how to spell your name. I didn't know Duke was this tough on lacrosse girls because they clearly walk minimum kids in for basketball and football.


yes you are right. the post above had a bunch of made-up info. on it. what the womens lacrosse is held to standards miles above the mens basketball and football?? not how the world works.


Yes, it is how the world works. Mens' basketball, and I assume football, is held to a different, much lower standard than just about any other team. I hear it first hand from my kids. And I'm just talking academics. You can look to the news to see how they are not held accountable for sexual assaults where the schools are complicit in cover ups. What about that Duke bball player who was suspended for tripping other players? Suspended 3 games. Pffft.


oh oh I got an idea. why don't you start a big witch hunt and hold these guys accountable!!! oh nevermind, some a-holes already did that a few years back.. sorry
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Some of the LI recruits at ND are comical. Just look at 19s and 20 committed kids


What do you mean?


sounds like he is thinking they should go after more PA / MA players.. which means his meds should be a bit stronger.
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Duke does lose out on some kids because they still make you go through the admissions process. If you are not a 95 plus student with a 1300 SAT you are risking being denied. Coach says she is pretty sure you will get in if your SAT is close and you maintain your 92 GPA. The problem is it is a risk to take, if you don't get in you may have left a lot of scholarship money on the table to a school that tells you that you are definitely getting in. It is a lot of money for the top players to be risking.


There are tons of schools that will walk recruits in if they hit the ncaa minimums which is just a little more than knowing how to spell your name. I didn't know Duke was this tough on lacrosse girls because they clearly walk minimum kids in for basketball and football.


yes you are right. the post above had a bunch of made-up info. on it. what the womens lacrosse is held to standards miles above the mens basketball and football?? not how the world works.


Yes, it is how the world works. Mens' basketball, and I assume football, is held to a different, much lower standard than just about any other team. I hear it first hand from my kids. And I'm just talking academics. You can look to the news to see how they are not held accountable for sexual assaults where the schools are complicit in cover ups. What about that Duke bball player who was suspended for tripping other players? Suspended 3 games. Pffft.


Actually, he was suspended "indefinitely" but it only lasted 1 game. Brought him back as soon as they lost - surprise, surprise.
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Duke does lose out on some kids because they still make you go through the admissions process. If you are not a 95 plus student with a 1300 SAT you are risking being denied. Coach says she is pretty sure you will get in if your SAT is close and you maintain your 92 GPA. The problem is it is a risk to take, if you don't get in you may have left a lot of scholarship money on the table to a school that tells you that you are definitely getting in. It is a lot of money for the top players to be risking.


There are tons of schools that will walk recruits in if they hit the ncaa minimums which is just a little more than knowing how to spell your name. I didn't know Duke was this tough on lacrosse girls because they clearly walk minimum kids in for basketball and football.


yes you are right. the post above had a bunch of made-up info. on it. what the womens lacrosse is held to standards miles above the mens basketball and football?? not how the world works.


It wasn't made up. Straight from the coaches mouth. You may get an exception from admissions here or there but remember there are only 12- 15 Basketball players.


Football and basketball pay the bills! Lacrosse is a financial loser for both men and women and NOBODY cares except parents of players and a few other friends, alumni and your club director (it's the biggest BS sales pitch - 80% of these kids would still play if they never played club, only difference is they wouldn't get recruited in 9th grade)
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Notre Dames issue is coaching not personnel



Maybe, and she seems to have turned away from LI and MD talent for future recruiting classes favoring other areas. Can't see that decision playing out to well for her..


when was the last good decision she made? ND and Florida can't win with these coaches and Florida should at the very least make it to championship game this year
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Does SB blame the Inside Lacrosse cover jinx?


they won right? am I missing something? against a very stout opponent..


4th ranked team beating 19th ranked team in the last 5 sec..thats what you might be missing...


both unc and sbu ran into goalies who had great games, otherwise neither game would have been that close


Goalie play had nothing to do with SB Towson Game. Stats right down the line were split. Towson went toe to toe on shots, draw control, caused turn overs, ground balls, and saves. If anything Towson needs to work on shots on goal as they had a very low percentage. You make it sound like they ran into a goalie that owned them, not the case at all especially in the second half.


difficulty level of the saves were very different
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Notre Dame looked bad today


both teams looked very slow, especially for an indoor game, don't think either team finishes in top 10
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Duke does lose out on some kids because they still make you go through the admissions process. If you are not a 95 plus student with a 1300 SAT you are risking being denied. Coach says she is pretty sure you will get in if your SAT is close and you maintain your 92 GPA. The problem is it is a risk to take, if you don't get in you may have left a lot of scholarship money on the table to a school that tells you that you are definitely getting in. It is a lot of money for the top players to be risking.


There are tons of schools that will walk recruits in if they hit the ncaa minimums which is just a little more than knowing how to spell your name. I didn't know Duke was this tough on lacrosse girls because they clearly walk minimum kids in for basketball and football.


yes you are right. the post above had a bunch of made-up info. on it. what the womens lacrosse is held to standards miles above the mens basketball and football?? not how the world works.


It wasn't made up. Straight from the coaches mouth. You may get an exception from admissions here or there but remember there are only 12- 15 Basketball players.


Football and basketball pay the bills! Lacrosse is a financial loser for both men and women and NOBODY cares except parents of players and a few other friends, alumni and your club director (it's the biggest BS sales pitch - 80% of these kids would still play if they never played club, only difference is they wouldn't get recruited in 9th grade)


the world (and no where is there more evident than a top university) is so PC there is no way in [lacrosse] the admin. would tell a coach of a womens team they need higher grades than the football guys.. they would be slapped with a lawsuit so quickly.

now could she, (or any coach) sit down with a girl and say get a 3.9 and huge board scores or look elsewhere??? absolutely, but she is planning on using the 3.9 gpa to balance the 3.2 kid that had 60 goals this season. they have latitude for the difference makers. there is no hard minimum. except maybe C's on the transcript..
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Duke does lose out on some kids because they still make you go through the admissions process. If you are not a 95 plus student with a 1300 SAT you are risking being denied. Coach says she is pretty sure you will get in if your SAT is close and you maintain your 92 GPA. The problem is it is a risk to take, if you don't get in you may have left a lot of scholarship money on the table to a school that tells you that you are definitely getting in. It is a lot of money for the top players to be risking.


There are tons of schools that will walk recruits in if they hit the ncaa minimums which is just a little more than knowing how to spell your name. I didn't know Duke was this tough on lacrosse girls because they clearly walk minimum kids in for basketball and football.


yes you are right. the post above had a bunch of made-up info. on it. what the womens lacrosse is held to standards miles above the mens basketball and football?? not how the world works.


It wasn't made up. Straight from the coaches mouth. You may get an exception from admissions here or there but remember there are only 12- 15 Basketball players.


Football and basketball pay the bills! Lacrosse is a financial loser for both men and women and NOBODY cares except parents of players and a few other friends, alumni and your club director (it's the biggest BS sales pitch - 80% of these kids would still play if they never played club, only difference is they wouldn't get recruited in 9th grade)


the world (and no where is there more evident than a top university) is so PC there is no way in [lacrosse] the admin. would tell a coach of a womens team they need higher grades than the football guys.. they would be slapped with a lawsuit so quickly.

now could she, (or any coach) sit down with a girl and say get a 3.9 and huge board scores or look elsewhere??? absolutely, but she is planning on using the 3.9 gpa to balance the 3.2 kid that had 60 goals this season. they have latitude for the difference makers. there is no hard minimum. except maybe C's on the transcript..


I am sorry but you are dead wrong. Why does football get 85 scholarships and girls lacrosse 12? Football at these top schools pays the bills. Girls lacrosse does not get 35 automatic entries into the school to fill the team irrespective of scholarship money. Football gets the 85 and walk-ons admitted. Some qualify on their own grades, most are automatics at these top schools. Duke football in particular loosened up requirements several years ago which is why they are more competitive than in the past, they have better athletes because they are letting them in.
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[quote=Anonymous] Duke does lose out on some kids because they still make you go through the admissions process. If you are not a 95 plus student with a 1300 SAT you are risking being denied. Coach says she is pretty sure you will get in if your SAT is close and you maintain your 92 GPA. The problem is it is a risk to take, if you don't get in you may have left a lot of scholarship money on the table to a school that tells you that you are definitely getting in. It is a lot of money for the top players to be risking.


There are tons of schools that will walk recruits in if they hit the ncaa minimums which is just a little more than knowing how to spell your name. I didn't know Duke was this tough on lacrosse girls because they clearly walk minimum kids in for basketball and football.


yes you are right. the post above had a bunch of made-up info. on it. what the womens lacrosse is held to standards miles above the mens basketball and football?? not how the world works.


It wasn't made up. Straight from the coaches mouth. You may get an exception from admissions here or there but remember there are only 12- 15 Basketball players.


Football and basketball pay the bills! Lacrosse is a financial loser for both men and women and NOBODY cares except parents of players and a few other friends, alumni and your club director (it's the biggest BS sales pitch - 80% of these kids would still play if they never played club, only difference is they wouldn't get recruited in 9th grade)


the world (and no where is there more evident than a top university) is so PC there is no way in [lacrosse] the admin. would tell a coach of a womens team they need higher grades than the football guys.. they would be slapped with a lawsuit so quickly.

now could she, (or any coach) sit down with a girl and say get a 3.9 and huge board scores or look elsewhere??? absolutely, but she is planning on using the 3.9 gpa to balance the 3.2 kid that had 60 goals this season. they have latitude for the difference makers. there is no hard minimum. except maybe C's on the transcript.. [/quote

Here's how it goes: athletic academic advisor enrolls the boys in easier classes with professors known to look kindly on athletes, whether it's missed classes or tests or poor grades. If grades aren't up to par, said advisor gets professor to change them. That's only what I know from my kids. I'm sure other things go on too. This is not done to anywhere close to that extent for girls' teams. It pisses my kids off.
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Notre Dame looked bad today


both teams looked very slow, especially for an indoor game, don't think either team finishes in top 10


It was filmed from the endzones low. Game would look faster from the side. Lasota looked plenty fast to me. Northwestern will finish in the top ten. But their next four games, all on the road, r tough. They play 5 straight on the road including the win over ND. Next up an improving Colorado team at altitude, then USC, Syr and SB. 1 home game and then on the road at UNC. No one plays a schedule like these girls. If they can come out of that stretch 5-3 that would be a solid start.
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[quote=Anonymous] Duke does lose out on some kids because they still make you go through the admissions process. If you are not a 95 plus student with a 1300 SAT you are risking being denied. Coach says she is pretty sure you will get in if your SAT is close and you maintain your 92 GPA. The problem is it is a risk to take, if you don't get in you may have left a lot of scholarship money on the table to a school that tells you that you are definitely getting in. It is a lot of money for the top players to be risking.


There are tons of schools that will walk recruits in if they hit the ncaa minimums which is just a little more than knowing how to spell your name. I didn't know Duke was this tough on lacrosse girls because they clearly walk minimum kids in for basketball and football.


yes you are right. the post above had a bunch of made-up info. on it. what the womens lacrosse is held to standards miles above the mens basketball and football?? not how the world works.


It wasn't made up. Straight from the coaches mouth. You may get an exception from admissions here or there but remember there are only 12- 15 Basketball players.


Football and basketball pay the bills! Lacrosse is a financial loser for both men and women and NOBODY cares except parents of players and a few other friends, alumni and your club director (it's the biggest BS sales pitch - 80% of these kids would still play if they never played club, only difference is they wouldn't get recruited in 9th grade)


the world (and no where is there more evident than a top university) is so PC there is no way in [lacrosse] the admin. would tell a coach of a womens team they need higher grades than the football guys.. they would be slapped with a lawsuit so quickly.

now could she, (or any coach) sit down with a girl and say get a 3.9 and huge board scores or look elsewhere??? absolutely, but she is planning on using the 3.9 gpa to balance the 3.2 kid that had 60 goals this season. they have latitude for the difference makers. there is no hard minimum. except maybe C's on the transcript.. [/quote

Here's how it goes: athletic academic advisor enrolls the boys in easier classes with professors known to look kindly on athletes, whether it's missed classes or tests or poor grades. If grades aren't up to par, said advisor gets professor to change them. That's only what I know from my kids. I'm sure other things go on too. This is not done to anywhere close to that extent for girls' teams. It pisses my kids off.


Then tell the two adults to do something about it, otherwise buck up and realize life ain't fair and quit bitching to daddy! Jesus, what a whiny crybaby you are.
BC looking awful, shelled by Cuse
As a parent of a D1 sophomore at a midlevel school 30th-45th I would like to welcome the freshmen and their parents. Most freshmen were a huge part of their high school team it's a new experience to see them struggle both on the field and in the classroom. Support them and encourage them to no end. Very few will see the field and it's painful to comprehend for the both of you. It's a new system that they need to learn and it takes time so provide support your time will come and the next step you will be on the field remembering how difficult it was to be a freshmen. Keep your head up the both of you or it could be a tough four years. Good luck it's not as easy or fun as you think it should be be patient and supportive and POSITIVE
saw this game, looks like the refs helped cuse in this one. Reffing in general needs to get better. BC will only get better though, still have Kenzie Kent waiting in the wings, Team is young and will figure it out. Cuse looked great today, Rahal and Hawryschuk are great, Donohue is lethal. Draw taker is great at winning it but lost it off the draw a lot. Bc has a great win already with beating Umass, team just had a let down it seemed. Virginia losing to Elon is a lot worse then this loss
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Duke does lose out on some kids because they still make you go through the admissions process. If you are not a 95 plus student with a 1300 SAT you are risking being denied. Coach says she is pretty sure you will get in if your SAT is close and you maintain your 92 GPA. The problem is it is a risk to take, if you don't get in you may have left a lot of scholarship money on the table to a school that tells you that you are definitely getting in. It is a lot of money for the top players to be risking.


There are tons of schools that will walk recruits in if they hit the ncaa minimums which is just a little more than knowing how to spell your name. I didn't know Duke was this tough on lacrosse girls because they clearly walk minimum kids in for basketball and football.


yes you are right. the post above had a bunch of made-up info. on it. what the womens lacrosse is held to standards miles above the mens basketball and football?? not how the world works.


It wasn't made up. Straight from the coaches mouth. You may get an exception from admissions here or there but remember there are only 12- 15 Basketball players.


Football and basketball pay the bills! Lacrosse is a financial loser for both men and women and NOBODY cares except parents of players and a few other friends, alumni and your club director (it's the biggest BS sales pitch - 80% of these kids would still play if they never played club, only difference is they wouldn't get recruited in 9th grade)


the world (and no where is there more evident than a top university) is so PC there is no way in [lacrosse] the admin. would tell a coach of a womens team they need higher grades than the football guys.. they would be slapped with a lawsuit so quickly.

now could she, (or any coach) sit down with a girl and say get a 3.9 and huge board scores or look elsewhere??? absolutely, but she is planning on using the 3.9 gpa to balance the 3.2 kid that had 60 goals this season. they have latitude for the difference makers. there is no hard minimum. except maybe C's on the transcript..


are you kidding me, they absolutely can and do that. What they dont do is say they need to be better than the guys lax team (if the school has one). The girls basketball team gets the same base as guys. Cant compare to football
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saw this game, looks like the refs helped cuse in this one. Reffing in general needs to get better. BC will only get better though, still have Kenzie Kent waiting in the wings, Team is young and will figure it out. Cuse looked great today, Rahal and Hawryschuk are great, Donohue is lethal. Draw taker is great at winning it but lost it off the draw a lot. Bc has a great win already with beating Umass, team just had a let down it seemed. Virginia losing to Elon is a lot worse then this loss



Actually, Elon beating Virginia is not a surprise. Elon is a really good team and may challenge for the CAA crown.
Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
saw this game, looks like the refs helped cuse in this one. Reffing in general needs to get better. BC will only get better though, still have Kenzie Kent waiting in the wings, Team is young and will figure it out. Cuse looked great today, Rahal and Hawryschuk are great, Donohue is lethal. Draw taker is great at winning it but lost it off the draw a lot. Bc has a great win already with beating Umass, team just had a let down it seemed. Virginia losing to Elon is a lot worse then this loss


Umass is overated
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saw this game, looks like the refs helped cuse in this one. Reffing in general needs to get better. BC will only get better though, still have Kenzie Kent waiting in the wings, Team is young and will figure it out. Cuse looked great today, Rahal and Hawryschuk are great, Donohue is lethal. Draw taker is great at winning it but lost it off the draw a lot. Bc has a great win already with beating Umass, team just had a let down it seemed. Virginia losing to Elon is a lot worse then this loss
Don't forget the Goalie was much better for 'cuse than last year, Much better even as a frosh, great pick for them
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saw this game, looks like the refs helped cuse in this one. Reffing in general needs to get better. BC will only get better though, still have Kenzie Kent waiting in the wings, Team is young and will figure it out. Cuse looked great today, Rahal and Hawryschuk are great, Donohue is lethal. Draw taker is great at winning it but lost it off the draw a lot. Bc has a great win already with beating Umass, team just had a let down it seemed. Virginia losing to Elon is a lot worse then this loss


Umass is overated


agreed, they had a cupcake schedule last year
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saw this game, looks like the refs helped cuse in this one. Reffing in general needs to get better. BC will only get better though, still have Kenzie Kent waiting in the wings, Team is young and will figure it out. Cuse looked great today, Rahal and Hawryschuk are great, Donohue is lethal. Draw taker is great at winning it but lost it off the draw a lot. Bc has a great win already with beating Umass, team just had a let down it seemed. Virginia losing to Elon is a lot worse then this loss
Don't forget the Goalie was much better for 'cuse than last year, Much better even as a frosh, great pick for them


BC goalies couldn't stop a beach ball yesterday and the defense was horrible, not a good combination
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
saw this game, looks like the refs helped cuse in this one. Reffing in general needs to get better. BC will only get better though, still have Kenzie Kent waiting in the wings, Team is young and will figure it out. Cuse looked great today, Rahal and Hawryschuk are great, Donohue is lethal. Draw taker is great at winning it but lost it off the draw a lot. Bc has a great win already with beating Umass, team just had a let down it seemed. Virginia losing to Elon is a lot worse then this loss
Don't forget the Goalie was much better for 'cuse than last year, Much better even as a frosh, great pick for them


BC goalies couldn't stop a beach ball yesterday and the defense was horrible, not a good combination


BC will get better as the season goes on. Sophomore from WB is off to a great start from her knee surgery. That team will go as far as she will take them. 18 points in 3 games this season
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
saw this game, looks like the refs helped cuse in this one. Reffing in general needs to get better. BC will only get better though, still have Kenzie Kent waiting in the wings, Team is young and will figure it out. Cuse looked great today, Rahal and Hawryschuk are great, Donohue is lethal. Draw taker is great at winning it but lost it off the draw a lot. Bc has a great win already with beating Umass, team just had a let down it seemed. Virginia losing to Elon is a lot worse then this loss
Don't forget the Goalie was much better for 'cuse than last year, Much better even as a frosh, great pick for them


BC goalies couldn't stop a beach ball yesterday and the defense was horrible, not a good combination


BC will get better as the season goes on. Sophomore from WB is off to a great start from her knee surgery. That team will go as far as she will take them. 18 points in 3 games this season


Another LI ball hog with arrogant cheerleaders....shocking
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
saw this game, looks like the refs helped cuse in this one. Reffing in general needs to get better. BC will only get better though, still have Kenzie Kent waiting in the wings, Team is young and will figure it out. Cuse looked great today, Rahal and Hawryschuk are great, Donohue is lethal. Draw taker is great at winning it but lost it off the draw a lot. Bc has a great win already with beating Umass, team just had a let down it seemed. Virginia losing to Elon is a lot worse then this loss
Don't forget the Goalie was much better for 'cuse than last year, Much better even as a frosh, great pick for them


BC goalies couldn't stop a beach ball yesterday and the defense was horrible, not a good combination


BC will get better as the season goes on. Sophomore from WB is off to a great start from her knee surgery. That team will go as far as she will take them. 18 points in 3 games this season


Another LI ball hog with arrogant cheerleaders....shocking


You have clearly never seen this girl play donkey. She is anything but a ball hog, has 12 assists on the year. My daughter played club with her,she is very unselfish with the ball ,how dare you say that.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
saw this game, looks like the refs helped cuse in this one. Reffing in general needs to get better. BC will only get better though, still have Kenzie Kent waiting in the wings, Team is young and will figure it out. Cuse looked great today, Rahal and Hawryschuk are great, Donohue is lethal. Draw taker is great at winning it but lost it off the draw a lot. Bc has a great win already with beating Umass, team just had a let down it seemed. Virginia losing to Elon is a lot worse then this loss
Don't forget the Goalie was much better for 'cuse than last year, Much better even as a frosh, great pick for them


BC goalies couldn't stop a beach ball yesterday and the defense was horrible, not a good combination


BC will get better as the season goes on. Sophomore from WB is off to a great start from her knee surgery. That team will go as far as she will take them. 18 points in 3 games this season


Another LI ball hog with arrogant cheerleaders....shocking


6 goals and 12 assists. Hardly a ball hog.
I don't know how you can say the refs helped Cuse when they had 24 fouls and BC had 7. It doesn't sound like much help to me. I watched the game also, BC was good but Cuse was just better in all areas.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
saw this game, looks like the refs helped cuse in this one. Reffing in general needs to get better. BC will only get better though, still have Kenzie Kent waiting in the wings, Team is young and will figure it out. Cuse looked great today, Rahal and Hawryschuk are great, Donohue is lethal. Draw taker is great at winning it but lost it off the draw a lot. Bc has a great win already with beating Umass, team just had a let down it seemed. Virginia losing to Elon is a lot worse then this loss
Don't forget the Goalie was much better for 'cuse than last year, Much better even as a frosh, great pick for them


BC goalies couldn't stop a beach ball yesterday and the defense was horrible, not a good combination


BC will get better as the season goes on. Sophomore from WB is off to a great start from her knee surgery. That team will go as far as she will take them. 18 points in 3 games this season


Another LI ball hog with arrogant cheerleaders....shocking


6 goals and 12 assists. Hardly a ball hog.
Jelous ME parent..... disregard
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Northwestern 9-7 over Canisius. Tied at half and no goals in last 11 plus minutes. A win is a win early in the season or a red flag?


It's January!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Northwestern 9-7 over Canisius. Tied at half and no goals in last 11 plus minutes. A win is a win early in the season or a red flag?


It's January!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Northwestern 9-7 over Canisius. Tied at half and no goals in last 11 plus minutes. A win is a win early in the season or a red flag?


It's January!


Now that it is February, does a loss to Colorado Matter?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
saw this game, looks like the refs helped cuse in this one. Reffing in general needs to get better. BC will only get better though, still have Kenzie Kent waiting in the wings, Team is young and will figure it out. Cuse looked great today, Rahal and Hawryschuk are great, Donohue is lethal. Draw taker is great at winning it but lost it off the draw a lot. Bc has a great win already with beating Umass, team just had a let down it seemed. Virginia losing to Elon is a lot worse then this loss
Don't forget the Goalie was much better for 'cuse than last year, Much better even as a frosh, great pick for them


BC goalies couldn't stop a beach ball yesterday and the defense was horrible, not a good combination


BC will get better as the season goes on. Sophomore from WB is off to a great start from her knee surgery. That team will go as far as she will take them. 18 points in 3 games this season


Another LI ball hog with arrogant cheerleaders....shocking


6 goals and 12 assists. Hardly a ball hog.


The YJ model
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Northwestern 9-7 over Canisius. Tied at half and no goals in last 11 plus minutes. A win is a win early in the season or a red flag?


It's January!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Northwestern 9-7 over Canisius. Tied at half and no goals in last 11 plus minutes. A win is a win early in the season or a red flag?


It's January!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Northwestern 9-7 over Canisius. Tied at half and no goals in last 11 plus minutes. A win is a win early in the season or a red flag?


It's January!


Now that it is February, does a loss to Colorado Matter?


Yes
Is tony brook really a top 5 team this year?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Northwestern 9-7 over Canisius. Tied at half and no goals in last 11 plus minutes. A win is a win early in the season or a red flag?


It's January!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Northwestern 9-7 over Canisius. Tied at half and no goals in last 11 plus minutes. A win is a win early in the season or a red flag?


It's January!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Northwestern 9-7 over Canisius. Tied at half and no goals in last 11 plus minutes. A win is a win early in the season or a red flag?


It's January!


Now that it is February, does a loss to Colorado Matter?


OUCH - stated earlier NU and ND look more like pretenders than contenders
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Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Low Character? really? what a moron. Do You know those girls? that's pretty pathetic of an adult to take shots at kids he obviously knows nothing about because you don't like the Yellow Jackets. BTW which YJ's hurt Florida in that game? Looks like they played very well! When those same kids who Beat UNC last year, were they not the reason they won? so stupid. crawl back in your hole!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Low Character? really? what a moron. Do You know those girls? that's pretty pathetic of an adult to take shots at kids he obviously knows nothing about because you don't like the Yellow Jackets. BTW which YJ's hurt Florida in that game? Looks like they played very well! When those same kids who Beat UNC last year, were they not the reason they won? so stupid. crawl back in your hole!


I wouldn't go anywhere on the character issue but fla does have a roster very different then Carolina as an example. lots of single sport athletes in high school. not gonna find a late developing lacrosse player like 23 for Carolina. multi sport stud in HS getting better and better in college.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Low Character? really? what a moron. Do You know those girls? that's pretty pathetic of an adult to take shots at kids he obviously knows nothing about because you don't like the Yellow Jackets. BTW which YJ's hurt Florida in that game? Looks like they played very well! When those same kids who Beat UNC last year, were they not the reason they won? so stupid. crawl back in your hole!


if he won't back it up I will. think I can speak for anyone that's come in contact with YJ parents. rude, obnoxious, screaming at the officials and the other players (yes a lot of good teams we know that). if your daughters are called low character it's because of their association with you. they're wearing it.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Low Character? really? what a moron. Do You know those girls? that's pretty pathetic of an adult to take shots at kids he obviously knows nothing about because you don't like the Yellow Jackets. BTW which YJ's hurt Florida in that game? Looks like they played very well! When those same kids who Beat UNC last year, were they not the reason they won? so stupid. crawl back in your hole!


I wouldn't go anywhere on the character issue but fla does have a roster very different then Carolina as an example. lots of single sport athletes in high school. not gonna find a late developing lacrosse player like 23 for Carolina. multi sport stud in HS getting better and better in college.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Low Character? really? what a moron. Do You know those girls? that's pretty pathetic of an adult to take shots at kids he obviously knows nothing about because you don't like the Yellow Jackets. BTW which YJ's hurt Florida in that game? Looks like they played very well! When those same kids who Beat UNC last year, were they not the reason they won? so stupid. crawl back in your hole!


I wouldn't go anywhere on the character issue but fla does have a roster very different then Carolina as an example. lots of single sport athletes in high school. not gonna find a late developing lacrosse player like 23 for Carolina. multi sport stud in HS getting better and better in college.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Low Character? really? what a moron. Do You know those girls? that's pretty pathetic of an adult to take shots at kids he obviously knows nothing about because you don't like the Yellow Jackets. BTW which YJ's hurt Florida in that game? Looks like they played very well! When those same kids who Beat UNC last year, were they not the reason they won? so stupid. crawl back in your hole!


I wouldn't go anywhere on the character issue but fla does have a roster very different then Carolina as an example. lots of single sport athletes in high school. not gonna find a late developing lacrosse player like 23 for Carolina. multi sport stud in HS getting better and better in college.


A great player but not sure about late developing. She had over 400 goals in HS and was 2x all-American. I agree with the benefits of multiple sports, UNC actually demands it of their recruits. Basketball and soccer are priorities, particularly basketball.
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[quote=Anonymous]Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Low Character? really? what a moron. Do You know those girls? that's pretty pathetic of an adult to take shots at kids he obviously knows nothing about because you don't like the Yellow Jackets. BTW which YJ's hurt Florida in that game? Looks like they played very well! When those same kids who Beat UNC last year, were they not the reason they won? so stupid. crawl back in your hole! [/quoteI

Here is the real story both UNC and Florida get great athletes but the difference is that UNC players always get better as the year goes by and Florida remains the same. I think coaching has a lot to do with that. Look at Cuse year after year they get better as the year goes along , Gary Gait is a great teacher of the game. It's all about getting better each day . At this level the top 3-4, teams all have great talent but can you coach that talent to be selfless ? That's the real question.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Low Character? really? what a moron. Do You know those girls? that's pretty pathetic of an adult to take shots at kids he obviously knows nothing about because you don't like the Yellow Jackets. BTW which YJ's hurt Florida in that game? Looks like they played very well! When those same kids who Beat UNC last year, were they not the reason they won? so stupid. crawl back in your hole!


I wouldn't go anywhere on the character issue but fla does have a roster very different then Carolina as an example. lots of single sport athletes in high school. not gonna find a late developing lacrosse player like 23 for Carolina. multi sport stud in HS getting better and better in college.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Low Character? really? what a moron. Do You know those girls? that's pretty pathetic of an adult to take shots at kids he obviously knows nothing about because you don't like the Yellow Jackets. BTW which YJ's hurt Florida in that game? Looks like they played very well! When those same kids who Beat UNC last year, were they not the reason they won? so stupid. crawl back in your hole!


I wouldn't go anywhere on the character issue but fla does have a roster very different then Carolina as an example. lots of single sport athletes in high school. not gonna find a late developing lacrosse player like 23 for Carolina. multi sport stud in HS getting better and better in college.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Low Character? really? what a moron. Do You know those girls? that's pretty pathetic of an adult to take shots at kids he obviously knows nothing about because you don't like the Yellow Jackets. BTW which YJ's hurt Florida in that game? Looks like they played very well! When those same kids who Beat UNC last year, were they not the reason they won? so stupid. crawl back in your hole!


I wouldn't go anywhere on the character issue but fla does have a roster very different then Carolina as an example. lots of single sport athletes in high school. not gonna find a late developing lacrosse player like 23 for Carolina. multi sport stud in HS getting better and better in college.


A great player but not sure about late developing. She had over 400 goals in HS and was 2x all-American. I agree with the benefits of multiple sports, UNC actually demands it of their recruits. Basketball and soccer are priorities, particularly basketball.


she won the most-improved award last year. PA high school doesn't get one ready for the ACC. but an all-around athlete and getting better at Lacrosse.
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[quote=Anonymous]Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Low Character? really? what a moron. Do You know those girls? that's pretty pathetic of an adult to take shots at kids he obviously knows nothing about because you don't like the Yellow Jackets. BTW which YJ's hurt Florida in that game? Looks like they played very well! When those same kids who Beat UNC last year, were they not the reason they won? so stupid. crawl back in your hole! [/quoteI

Here is the real story both UNC and Florida get great athletes but the difference is that UNC players always get better as the year goes by and Florida remains the same. I think coaching has a lot to do with that. Look at Cuse year after year they get better as the year goes along , Gary Gait is a great teacher of the game. It's all about getting better each day . At this level the top 3-4, teams all have great talent but can you coach that talent to be selfless ? That's the real question.


How can you say that the Florida players don't improve. They have had a lot of success and have lost great players and the team has adapted reloaded with talent and having kids develop. They only had 2 Freshman starters last year and 1 this year, which means there are kids who developed stepping into the vacated spots. What I will agree with you on is that the coaching needs to improve in making adjustment during the game.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Low Character? really? what a moron. Do You know those girls? that's pretty pathetic of an adult to take shots at kids he obviously knows nothing about because you don't like the Yellow Jackets. BTW which YJ's hurt Florida in that game? Looks like they played very well! When those same kids who Beat UNC last year, were they not the reason they won? so stupid. crawl back in your hole!


if he won't back it up I will. think I can speak for anyone that's come in contact with YJ parents. rude, obnoxious, screaming at the officials and the other players (yes a lot of good teams we know that). if your daughters are called low character it's because of their association with you. they're wearing it.

That is a broad brush! Must be a liberal! I know everyone is Racist, homophobic etc.. yada yada yada! its so tiresome! judge the kids as individuals. its so ridiculous that you can't let what you perceived happened to your daughter when she was 12 go. You have some deep rooted issues! try therapy, you can get a 2 for 1 as you try to deal with Hillary losing!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Long Island is the most overrated lax community? 6 Pre season First team All Americans and 18 overall! I'd say Strong Island is doing just fine!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Long Island is the most overrated lax community? 6 Pre season First team All Americans and 18 overall! I'd say Strong Island is doing just fine!


Lacrosse Magazine's cover story of Stony Brook, in particular two players, did not help the character of the Long Island player. The "it's a Long Island thing" and Long Island attitude" does not help, especially coming from such a publication. Players and parents from around the country read this and the stigma is then placed. It was a bad article for Long Island lacrosse.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Long Island is the most overrated lax community? 6 Pre season First team All Americans and 18 overall! I'd say Strong Island is doing just fine!


Lacrosse Magazine's cover story of Stony Brook, in particular two players, did not help the character of the Long Island player. The "it's a Long Island thing" and Long Island attitude" does not help, especially coming from such a publication. Players and parents from around the country read this and the stigma is then placed. It was a bad article for Long Island lacrosse.



What a load of whimpy bull. You sound like all the politically correct BS artists we have to hear every day. I for one am not gonna apologize for our own LI university team that just a few years ago was a non factor and is now a top 10 team. I am a SBU grad and look forward to seeing the girls compete and bringing my daughter to games. Whats wrong with the LI attitude??? and if its so bad what should our attitude be.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Long Island is the most overrated lax community? 6 Pre season First team All Americans and 18 overall! I'd say Strong Island is doing just fine!


Lacrosse Magazine's cover story of Stony Brook, in particular two players, did not help the character of the Long Island player. The "it's a Long Island thing" and Long Island attitude" does not help, especially coming from such a publication. Players and parents from around the country read this and the stigma is then placed. It was a bad article for Long Island lacrosse.


You mean playing with purpose and attitude aren't things that coaches look for and spectators appreciate?
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Long Island is the most overrated lax community? 6 Pre season First team All Americans and 18 overall! I'd say Strong Island is doing just fine!


Lacrosse Magazine's cover story of Stony Brook, in particular two players, did not help the character of the Long Island player. The "it's a Long Island thing" and Long Island attitude" does not help, especially coming from such a publication. Players and parents from around the country read this and the stigma is then placed. It was a bad article for Long Island lacrosse.


The biggest and strongest LI girls club has always had a [lacrosse] attitude that has been embraced by their parents and their me first attitude. Unfortunetly that attitude has leaked into the girls. Too much attitude, too chippy, too much rule bending after whistles, too many people telling them to get theirs. But the club and their parents don't care! They get recruited first to the biggest programs. Doesn't make them good people, but you cant argue with the lax results. And it appears that's all this gang wants
What happens to NU after they lose to three S'es in a row?

SC, SU (at Hofstra for a little recruiting trip) and SB are a tough road run after two close wins and getting beat by Colorado. I had to look three times on the Buffs score because I was really sure it was a misprint.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happens to NU after they lose to three S'es in a row?

SC, SU (at Hofstra for a little recruiting trip) and SB are a tough road run after two close wins and getting beat by Colorado. I had to look three times on the Buffs score because I was really sure it was a misprint.



Explain "SU (at Hofstra for a little recruiting trip)" please.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happens to NU after they lose to three S'es in a row?

SC, SU (at Hofstra for a little recruiting trip) and SB are a tough road run after two close wins and getting beat by Colorado. I had to look three times on the Buffs score because I was really sure it was a misprint.



Explain "SU (at Hofstra for a little recruiting trip)" please.


Syracuse plays Northwestern at Hofstra (neutral site) both teams recruit on long island so it is a good opportunity for young / HS players to go watch the teams play.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida teams always come up short against teams with well rounded athletes like Carolina... Mandy likes the single sport lax rats- i.e. low character yellow jackets. Only know one thing, I'm going to the cage bc Dad told me to. The most overated lacrosse community on the planet.. strong island- pfft!!

Long Island is the most overrated lax community? 6 Pre season First team All Americans and 18 overall! I'd say Strong Island is doing just fine!


Lacrosse Magazine's cover story of Stony Brook, in particular two players, did not help the character of the Long Island player. The "it's a Long Island thing" and Long Island attitude" does not help, especially coming from such a publication. Players and parents from around the country read this and the stigma is then placed. It was a bad article for Long Island lacrosse.


The biggest and strongest LI girls club has always had a [lacrosse] attitude that has been embraced by their parents and their me first attitude. Unfortunetly that attitude has leaked into the girls. Too much attitude, too chippy, too much rule bending after whistles, too many people telling them to get theirs. But the club and their parents don't care! They get recruited first to the biggest programs. Doesn't make them good people, but you cant argue with the lax results. And it appears that's all this gang wants


yeah. bad sportsmanship to put it in simple terms. and loud obnoxious parents. the fact that its all you know doesn't mean people won't be disgusted by it.
I like the "The Long Island Thing," the "Stony Brook attitude" is their brand and it is working. I for one embrace the whole New [lacrosse] / Long Island thing. I am not offended by the blue collar, working class, junk yard dog identity that Stony Brook is working. In fact, I would sign on right now for my girls to play at SBU. I think their attitude fits my daughters attitude, but that just might be the south shore Long Island in us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happens to NU after they lose to three S'es in a row?

SC, SU (at Hofstra for a little recruiting trip) and SB are a tough road run after two close wins and getting beat by Colorado. I had to look three times on the Buffs score because I was really sure it was a misprint.



Explain "SU (at Hofstra for a little recruiting trip)" please.


Syracuse plays Northwestern at Hofstra (neutral site) both teams recruit on long island so it is a good opportunity for young / HS players to go watch the teams play.


And for coaches to invite recruits and show them how you play....and hopefully play well/win. You don't want to get blown out in front of the talent pool.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happens to NU after they lose to three S'es in a row?

SC, SU (at Hofstra for a little recruiting trip) and SB are a tough road run after two close wins and getting beat by Colorado. I had to look three times on the Buffs score because I was really sure it was a misprint.



Explain "SU (at Hofstra for a little recruiting trip)" please.


Syracuse plays Northwestern at Hofstra (neutral site) both teams recruit on long island so it is a good opportunity for young / HS players to go watch the teams play.


And for coaches to invite recruits and show them how you play....and hopefully play well/win. You don't want to get blown out in front of the talent pool.


Why would Hofstra allow NW and Cuse play at their campus in their backyard for recruits. Hofstra might not be in the same game as far as recruits with either school but why make it easier for them?
because they get PAID
"A great player but not sure about late developing. She had over 400 goals in HS and was 2x all-American. I agree with the benefits of multiple sports, UNC actually demands it of their recruits. Basketball and soccer are priorities, particularly basketball."

Demands it of their recruits is a ridiculous stsatement
has anyone been invited yet by syracuse or nu to watch that game?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
has anyone been invited yet by syracuse or nu to watch that game?


Yes my daughter has
Originally Posted by Anonymous
has anyone been invited yet by syracuse or nu to watch that game?


Do you really think you will get a truthful answer to that question? Both Gait and Amonte are sending town cars to my house so my daughter and her friends can go.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
has anyone been invited yet by syracuse or nu to watch that game?


what's the over under on the attendance number?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
has anyone been invited yet by syracuse or nu to watch that game?


what's the over under on the attendance number?


2500
the entire YJ team too
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
has anyone been invited yet by syracuse or nu to watch that game?


Do you really think you will get a truthful answer to that question? Both Gait and Amonte are sending town cars to my house so my daughter and her friends can go.


Sorry you're only getting town cars, they are sending helicopters to pick up my daughter.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
has anyone been invited yet by syracuse or nu to watch that game?


what's the over under on the attendance number?


2500


that would be a great number, [lacrosse] its a great number if they to 1,000
Town cars? We got Air Force 1!! Chump
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
has anyone been invited yet by syracuse or nu to watch that game?


what's the over under on the attendance number?


2500


that would be a great number, [lacrosse] its a great number if they to 1,000


Lot of LI kids on both teams, figure a bunch of family and friends, Plus a lot of other people just coming out to watch a real good game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
has anyone been invited yet by syracuse or nu to watch that game?


what's the over under on the attendance number?


2500


that would be a great number, [lacrosse] its a great number if they to 1,000


The weather will be a factor as well. Early March after sunset is going to be very cold no matter how you slice it. Add in some precip and the numbers will drop even further.
Hahahahah my daughter was a stupid question
SB running STATS on big gun as usual. Same old mentality...then cry they aren't they don't get Tewaaraton..lol
brutal loss to Va Tech, looks like BC will have trouble staying in the top 20 - same as last year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
brutal loss to Va Tech, looks like BC will have trouble staying in the top 20 - same as last year


New coach at Va Tech, awesome facilities and a beautiful campus, they might start making some noise over the next few years.
The Stony Brook coaches are a joke . It's gross to have your so called super stars running it up against weak competition especially when they could barel score against a descent Townson team
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Town cars? We got Air Force 1!! Chump



By his own admission, Donald is quite possibly the greatest pilot ever! He knows more about flying than Chuck Yeager. He actually flies AF1. Not many people know that.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Stony Brook coaches are a joke . It's gross to have your so called super stars running it up against weak competition especially when they could barel score against a descent Townson team


An extension of LI Lax at its best. HS girls stat pad against girls who cant even hold a stick and SB is no better. You would hope year end awards would see through this but often they don't
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Stony Brook coaches are a joke . It's gross to have your so called super stars running it up against weak competition especially when they could barel score against a descent Townson team

And you can barely spell
Isn't just SB saw NE do it as well as USC in their first game. Heck I even saw ND score w two seconds left up by 15
Umass 0-2 playing tough Jacksonville team today should be a good game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Isn't just SB saw NE do it as well as USC in their first game. Heck I even saw ND score w two seconds left up by 15


CUSE is subbing in first half. stars are missing half the game during rotations. complete team performance. These other schools are a joke. Embarrassing
Syracuse isn't much better Embarrassing is playing TWO games in one day against poor teams. So technically they are playing more than a full game. It's the same crap just manipulating the system. They play more games than everyone else NCAA will pass a rule about this soon. Don't cast stones
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Stony Brook coaches are a joke . It's gross to have your so called super stars running it up against weak competition especially when they could barel score against a descent Townson team


An extension of LI Lax at its best. HS girls stat pad against girls who cant even hold a stick and SB is no better. You would hope year end awards would see through this but often they don't


And NEWSDAY plays right into it just like they do for the stat padders in HS. 2nd most points in a game in team history. Give me a break!! Coach and team a joke for doing it. Spread it around. Use the bench. Pass the ball!
How about cuse being up more than ten and their player scoring with 1 second left in the game. Yeahhhhh that's classy
Some crazy early season scores. There is some parity making its way into women's lacrosse
Umass beats Jacksonville by one. And JMU beats Uconn by one
Great Idea for them to play on LI
This will really help them to get the LONG ISLAND GIRLS!!!!
OH WELL STONY BROOK WILL LOOSE OUT AGAIN
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Stony Brook coaches are a joke . It's gross to have your so called super stars running it up against weak competition especially when they could barel score against a descent Townson team

And you can barely spell


That's the best you got . Spell check this , NCAA tournament choke artists, weak schedule playing over rated team of misfits .Hopefully those that get a vote realize it's very different scoring against these overmatched teams and running up their stats verse the players that actually play a descent schedule.
Hi Haters Enjoy that out of state tuition bill. Last two years they have beaten Northwestrrn Florida Notre Dame Stanford USC Hmmm
After a great weekend What are the Big games this coming week?
Think I read about how good the Norte Dame girls are doing, wait who did the play that weekend?????
I'm new to this board so not sure if there is background but I went and looked, SB lost to the #4 seed Syracuse 7-6 last year in NCAA second round. If that's choking I wish my daughters team would choke lolol. Hoping this thread is a classy one we are talking about our daughters
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hi Haters Enjoy that out of state tuition bill. Last two years they have beaten Northwestrrn Florida Notre Dame Stanford USC Hmmm


Wow , and don't forget the beautiful campus, big time sports atmosphere and as a bonus the early exit from the NCAA tournament .Even funnier of the 5 schools you just named only 1 is cheaper for in state students and Stony Brook does not compare acadmicallly to any of them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hi Haters Enjoy that out of state tuition bill. Last two years they have beaten Northwestrrn Florida Notre Dame Stanford USC Hmmm


Choked last two years in the playoffs...Hmmmm
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hi Haters Enjoy that out of state tuition bill. Last two years they have beaten Northwestrrn Florida Notre Dame Stanford USC Hmmm


Choked last two years in the playoffs...Hmmmm


Personally do not love or hate SB but how is losing to the #4 seed Syracuse 7-6 choking let's keep this board informative w facts
Final 4 Syracuse !!
Let's face it, SB has a couple stand out girls who wound up there because they were underrated. When they graduate, team is done, no depth.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse isn't much better Embarrassing is playing TWO games in one day against poor teams. So technically they are playing more than a full game. It's the same crap just manipulating the system. They play more games than everyone else NCAA will pass a rule about this soon. Don't cast stones
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse isn't much better Embarrassing is playing TWO games in one day against poor teams. So technically they are playing more than a full game. It's the same crap just manipulating the system. They play more games than everyone else NCAA will pass a rule about this soon. Don't cast stones
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse isn't much better Embarrassing is playing TWO games in one day against poor teams. So technically they are playing more than a full game. It's the same crap just manipulating the system. They play more games than everyone else NCAA will pass a rule about this soon. Don't cast stones


Weak? Didn't One of SU opponents almost beat NW🍊

Daughter plays for Binghamton Syracuse had game won before it started for one of their players score yesterday with 1'second left in the game doing through people was wrong Funny how coach Gait was smiling as well Just wrong
New polls tomorrow. Interested to see the shake up
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse isn't much better Embarrassing is playing TWO games in one day against poor teams. So technically they are playing more than a full game. It's the same crap just manipulating the system. They play more games than everyone else NCAA will pass a rule about this soon. Don't cast stones
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse isn't much better Embarrassing is playing TWO games in one day against poor teams. So technically they are playing more than a full game. It's the same crap just manipulating the system. They play more games than everyone else NCAA will pass a rule about this soon. Don't cast stones
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse isn't much better Embarrassing is playing TWO games in one day against poor teams. So technically they are playing more than a full game. It's the same crap just manipulating the system. They play more games than everyone else NCAA will pass a rule about this soon. Don't cast stones


Weak? Didn't One of SU opponents almost beat NW🍊



Syracuse has been playing this day, night doubleheader for a couple of years now. They have 40+ girls on the team. Second game is for bench players and freshman. In the future you will see some of the big rostered teams do this also.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse isn't much better Embarrassing is playing TWO games in one day against poor teams. So technically they are playing more than a full game. It's the same crap just manipulating the system. They play more games than everyone else NCAA will pass a rule about this soon. Don't cast stones
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse isn't much better Embarrassing is playing TWO games in one day against poor teams. So technically they are playing more than a full game. It's the same crap just manipulating the system. They play more games than everyone else NCAA will pass a rule about this soon. Don't cast stones
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syracuse isn't much better Embarrassing is playing TWO games in one day against poor teams. So technically they are playing more than a full game. It's the same crap just manipulating the system. They play more games than everyone else NCAA will pass a rule about this soon. Don't cast stones



Weak? Didn't One of SU opponents almost beat NW🍊



Syracuse has been playing this day, night doubleheader for a couple of years now. They have 40+ girls on the team. Second game is for bench players and freshman. In the future you will see some of the big rostered teams do this also.


Did you look at the box score of the 2nd game?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Daughter plays for Binghamton Syracuse had game won before it started for one of their players score yesterday with 1'second left in the game doing through people was wrong Funny how coach Gait was smiling as well Just wrong
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm new to this board so not sure if there is background but I went and looked, SB lost to the #4 seed Syracuse 7-6 last year in NCAA second round. If that's choking I wish my daughters team would choke lolol. Hoping this thread is a classy one we are talking about our daughters


Funny, your new to the forum...How about the year before? Since we want the board to be informative...or are we just going with the positive spin facts?
Stony Brook looked like well oiled machine. Top players are expected to perform and stay on the field- especially attack sharp shooters. The best high school coaches adhere to this, and reprimand selfish players who don't understand the game. It's a quick transition, not like soccer. My brother is a Hs coach and does not necessarily like his best player-been on varsity since 8th grade and has a chip on her shoulder. Committed to an up & coming D2 school despite D1 offers. But he knows she will leave everything on the field, and wants the ball in her stick when game is on the line. I keep telling him you never know what goes on at home, could be a sad or bad situation so try and praise her and value her. Girls remember that stuff and respond to it. High school coaches need to follow the Gait/Spallina/Levy role. Leave personal feelings out of it and depend on your leaders, reward them with praise not politics.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hi Haters Enjoy that out of state tuition bill. Last two years they have beaten Northwestrrn Florida Notre Dame Stanford USC Hmmm


Choked last two years in the playoffs...Hmmmm


Personally do not love or hate SB but how is losing to the #4 seed Syracuse 7-6 choking let's keep this board informative w facts



Personally I do not have any love or hate for Stony Brook, Northwestern, Florida, Notre Dame, Stanford or USC. However, touting about a win here or there and concerning yourself with where others choose to send their daughter to college makes you sound insecure in your own decisions.
I think an Interesting conversation would be schools that get top rated classes and recruits and do NOT develop them better. I think that has entered women's lacrosse and why the landscape is changing. Which programs develop kids to the next level
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hi Haters Enjoy that out of state tuition bill. Last two years they have beaten Northwestrrn Florida Notre Dame Stanford USC Hmmm


Choked last two years in the playoffs...Hmmmm


Personally do not love or hate SB but how is losing to the #4 seed Syracuse 7-6 choking let's keep this board informative w facts



Personally I do not have any love or hate for Stony Brook, Northwestern, Florida, Notre Dame, Stanford or USC. However, touting about a win here or there and concerning yourself with where others choose to send their daughter to college makes you sound insecure in your own decisions.


Agreed
Education should always be first, that's lost on many. Who gives a %$%@$#@ about a win unless its the naty championship. Get your degree and get out
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Education should always be first, that's lost on many. Who gives a %$%@$#@ about a win unless its the naty championship. Get your degree and get out


I agree with most of that, but if its all about education, maybe just quit lax and study.
Carc and Quint doing the game this weekend with Sheehan Stanwich got on to a topic I wish would come up more. the rules in the women's game are soo bad. you almost can't have a fast break. the D will just throw a cross check and stop the play.. 4 behind?? it stops the break, the D gets set up and the whole thing bogs down. anyone see the JHU v Loyola?? the passing was incredible, player movement, some amazing skip passes. No reason the women's game cant be more fun to watch.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook looked like well oiled machine. Top players are expected to perform and stay on the field- especially attack sharp shooters. The best high school coaches adhere to this, and reprimand selfish players who don't understand the game. It's a quick transition, not like soccer. My brother is a Hs coach and does not necessarily like his best player-been on varsity since 8th grade and has a chip on her shoulder. Committed to an up & coming D2 school despite D1 offers. But he knows she will leave everything on the field, and wants the ball in her stick when game is on the line. I keep telling him you never know what goes on at home, could be a sad or bad situation so try and praise her and value her. Girls remember that stuff and respond to it. High school coaches need to follow the Gait/Spallina/Levy role. Leave personal feelings out of it and depend on your leaders, reward them with praise not politics.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook looked like well oiled machine. Top players are expected to perform and stay on the field- especially attack sharp shooters. The best high school coaches adhere to this, and reprimand selfish players who don't understand the game. It's a quick transition, not like soccer. My brother is a Hs coach and does not necessarily like his best player-been on varsity since 8th grade and has a chip on her shoulder. Committed to an up & coming D2 school despite D1 offers. But he knows she will leave everything on the field, and wants the ball in her stick when game is on the line. I keep telling him you never know what goes on at home, could be a sad or bad situation so try and praise her and value her. Girls remember that stuff and respond to it. High school coaches need to follow the Gait/Spallina/Levy role. Leave personal feelings out of it and depend on your leaders, reward them with praise not politics.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook looked like well oiled machine. Top players are expected to perform and stay on the field- especially attack sharp shooters. The best high school coaches adhere to this, and reprimand selfish players who don't understand the game. It's a quick transition, not like soccer. My brother is a Hs coach and does not necessarily like his best player-been on varsity since 8th grade and has a chip on her shoulder. Committed to an up & coming D2 school despite D1 offers. But he knows she will leave everything on the field, and wants the ball in her stick when game is on the line. I keep telling him you never know what goes on at home, could be a sad or bad situation so try and praise her and value her. Girls remember that stuff and respond to it. High school coaches need to follow the Gait/Spallina/Levy role. Leave personal feelings out of it and depend on your leaders, reward them with praise not politics.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook looked like well oiled machine. Top players are expected to perform and stay on the field- especially attack sharp shooters. The best high school coaches adhere to this, and reprimand selfish players who don't understand the game. It's a quick transition, not like soccer. My brother is a Hs coach and does not necessarily like his best player-been on varsity since 8th grade and has a chip on her shoulder. Committed to an up & coming D2 school despite D1 offers. But he knows she will leave everything on the field, and wants the ball in her stick when game is on the line. I keep telling him you never know what goes on at home, could be a sad or bad situation so try and praise her and value her. Girls remember that stuff and respond to it. High school coaches need to follow the Gait/Spallina/Levy role. Leave personal feelings out of it and depend on your leaders, reward them with praise not politics.



16 to 2
Under 14 minutes and "stars" still in game!!! Don't brag about stats in may when you build stats in second half against weaker opponents
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook looked like well oiled machine. Top players are expected to perform and stay on the field- especially attack sharp shooters. The best high school coaches adhere to this, and reprimand selfish players who don't understand the game. It's a quick transition, not like soccer. My brother is a Hs coach and does not necessarily like his best player-been on varsity since 8th grade and has a chip on her shoulder. Committed to an up & coming D2 school despite D1 offers. But he knows she will leave everything on the field, and wants the ball in her stick when game is on the line. I keep telling him you never know what goes on at home, could be a sad or bad situation so try and praise her and value her. Girls remember that stuff and respond to it. High school coaches need to follow the Gait/Spallina/Levy role. Leave personal feelings out of it and depend on your leaders, reward them with praise not politics.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook looked like well oiled machine. Top players are expected to perform and stay on the field- especially attack sharp shooters. The best high school coaches adhere to this, and reprimand selfish players who don't understand the game. It's a quick transition, not like soccer. My brother is a Hs coach and does not necessarily like his best player-been on varsity since 8th grade and has a chip on her shoulder. Committed to an up & coming D2 school despite D1 offers. But he knows she will leave everything on the field, and wants the ball in her stick when game is on the line. I keep telling him you never know what goes on at home, could be a sad or bad situation so try and praise her and value her. Girls remember that stuff and respond to it. High school coaches need to follow the Gait/Spallina/Levy role. Leave personal feelings out of it and depend on your leaders, reward them with praise not politics.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook looked like well oiled machine. Top players are expected to perform and stay on the field- especially attack sharp shooters. The best high school coaches adhere to this, and reprimand selfish players who don't understand the game. It's a quick transition, not like soccer. My brother is a Hs coach and does not necessarily like his best player-been on varsity since 8th grade and has a chip on her shoulder. Committed to an up & coming D2 school despite D1 offers. But he knows she will leave everything on the field, and wants the ball in her stick when game is on the line. I keep telling him you never know what goes on at home, could be a sad or bad situation so try and praise her and value her. Girls remember that stuff and respond to it. High school coaches need to follow the Gait/Spallina/Levy role. Leave personal feelings out of it and depend on your leaders, reward them with praise not politics.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook looked like well oiled machine. Top players are expected to perform and stay on the field- especially attack sharp shooters. The best high school coaches adhere to this, and reprimand selfish players who don't understand the game. It's a quick transition, not like soccer. My brother is a Hs coach and does not necessarily like his best player-been on varsity since 8th grade and has a chip on her shoulder. Committed to an up & coming D2 school despite D1 offers. But he knows she will leave everything on the field, and wants the ball in her stick when game is on the line. I keep telling him you never know what goes on at home, could be a sad or bad situation so try and praise her and value her. Girls remember that stuff and respond to it. High school coaches need to follow the Gait/Spallina/Levy role. Leave personal feelings out of it and depend on your leaders, reward them with praise not politics.



16 to 2
Under 14 minutes and "stars" still in game!!! Don't brag about stats in may when you build stats in second half against weaker opponents


Wow, Someone had fun at Happy Hour....
Not a fan of SB head coach, but to be fair he played 26 players yesterday
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a fan of SB head coach, but to be fair he played 26 players yesterday


Will they see any real competition this season?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a fan of SB head coach, but to be fair he played 26 players yesterday


Maybe true but stars still in game stat padding...embarrassing
The LI way! Stat padding! Rgen fire up the facebook and twitter feeds and call newsday.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a fan of SB head coach, but to be fair he played 26 players yesterday


Will they see any real competition this season?


Stony Brook saw Towson and they were lucky to get the win, I would say they have seen real competition already. Stony Brook has certainly improved and they have been very strong for the past four or five years but their strength of schedule is not on par with the top teams in the country and I think that has hurt them. Playing a challenging schedule may result in a less impressive regular season record but it prepares the team for post season play.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a fan of SB head coach, but to be fair he played 26 players yesterday


Will they see any real competition this season?


Stony Brook saw Towson and they were lucky to get the win, I would say they have seen real competition already. Stony Brook has certainly improved and they have been very strong for the past four or five years but their strength of schedule is not on par with the top teams in the country and I think that has hurt them. Playing a challenging schedule may result in a less impressive regular season record but it prepares the team for post season play.



While the weaker schedule might be true, Stony Brook cannot help the quality of their conference.

If you compare the schedules of SB and MD. Right now SB plays 6 top 20 teams and MD plays 8, not that much of a difference. I guess if you add in the conference play offs that number goes up for MD, but I think SB plays enough tough competition during the regular season to be ready for the play-offs. I know from my own college experience teams do not love traveling to Long Island. As we all know it is not easy to get around even if you are flying in. I do not know the workings but maybe it is hard to get a home and away game contract with some of the top teams. You never know what goes on behind the scenes. It might be apples and oranges but I know Delaware would be willing to play Hofstra in football at home but would never agree to play at Hofstra until it became a conference game. Maybe JS faces similar situations when it comes to scheduling non-league games.
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Hi Haters Enjoy that out of state tuition bill. Last two years they have beaten Northwestrrn Florida Notre Dame Stanford USC Hmmm


Choked last two years in the playoffs...Hmmmm


Personally do not love or hate SB but how is losing to the #4 seed Syracuse 7-6 choking let's keep this board informative w facts



Personally I do not have any love or hate for Stony Brook, Northwestern, Florida, Notre Dame, Stanford or USC. However, touting about a win here or there and concerning yourself with where others choose to send their daughter to college makes you sound insecure in your own decisions.


Agreed


Please try and detect where my sarcasm starts. "Enjoy that out of state tuition bill" then goes on to talk about wins in a collegiate sport. If you are paying tuition for wins I guess you can do well that way. Tuition? I thought everyone was getting a "free ride". If that's the case I'll take...hmmmmmm...Stanford.
Got around to watching the Northwestern USC game from last week and I will say this while they are highly criticized Northwestern is a very very good team. USC was lucky to escape
Florida rolling! What happened to the #1 recruit at USC, did nothing!
Just got around to watching? Really? That's a joke, right?

Let's stop with the NU is good discussion right now, it's embarrassing.
So now we know where all the negative comments about Stony Brook and others come from Gator land
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So now we know where all the negative comments about Stony Brook and others come from Gator land

Why would u say that?
Hmm wonder if the Florida praise while bashing the BBPT #1 recruit from USC could possibly be from Mt Sinai ?? Hmm Just sign your name next time
U people are clueless. If you knew anything, you would know the Florida my Sinai crew and the USC Bayport crew are very good friends.
Think you meant Bayshore
who knows? who cares?
just been a few games. any thoughts on teams that are exceeding expectations?

on the other side I would say UVA very underwhelming so far. Villanova as well.
Hofstra lost to Fairfield
Maybe not as good as they thought… being anonymous lets people say/write things they might not otherwise to someone's face, especially when they pretend to be friends on the YJ sidelines. Truth of the matter is that Florida's defense (one of whom is played side by side with USC's freshman for years on their YJ team) was ready for the USC stud and shut her down, take her out of the match and USC offense is not as strong as Florida's. Well played by the Florida coach.
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Maybe not as good as they thought… being anonymous lets people say/write things they might not otherwise to someone's face, especially when they pretend to be friends on the YJ sidelines. Truth of the matter is that Florida's defense (one of whom is played side by side with USC's freshman for years on their YJ team) was ready for the USC stud and shut her down, take her out of the match and USC offense is not as strong as Florida's. Well played by the Florida coach.


This is what happens when a player is overhyped by the media. Being good in HS and being good in college are two different things. Feel bad for the girl that so much pressure and expectations were put on her....the reality is that the majority of HS studs flop in college.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe not as good as they thought… being anonymous lets people say/write things they might not otherwise to someone's face, especially when they pretend to be friends on the YJ sidelines. Truth of the matter is that Florida's defense (one of whom is played side by side with USC's freshman for years on their YJ team) was ready for the USC stud and shut her down, take her out of the match and USC offense is not as strong as Florida's. Well played by the Florida coach.


This is what happens when a player is overhyped by the media. Being good in HS and being good in college are two different things. Feel bad for the girl that so much pressure and expectations were put on her....the reality is that the majority of HS studs flop in college.


Yeah ok, if scoring 3 goals against a top ten ranked team in the country(including OT winner) is a flop in college...where do i sign my daughter up as a flop? Majority of HS studs flop in college? your talking out your a$$$...like you have any stats to back that up.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe not as good as they thought… being anonymous lets people say/write things they might not otherwise to someone's face, especially when they pretend to be friends on the YJ sidelines. Truth of the matter is that Florida's defense (one of whom is played side by side with USC's freshman for years on their YJ team) was ready for the USC stud and shut her down, take her out of the match and USC offense is not as strong as Florida's. Well played by the Florida coach.


This is what happens when a player is overhyped by the media. Being good in HS and being good in college are two different things.
Feel bad for the girl that so much pressure and expectations were put on her....the reality is that the majority of HS studs flop in college.

Come on man! Overhyped? Let the kid get started. She had a great game against NU. Florida has one of the best defenses in the country. She was marked in the game by last years number 1 recruit. A player that has played her many times. She is a freshman, there is a learning curve. She is very athletic and she battled in that game. She will be a great college player.
Towson handed it to Loyola today
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Hofstra lost to Fairfield


And? Hofstra will be a 500 team at best this year and as far into the future as you care to look - nothing will change. Can't evaluate talent or recruit it and the kids that are there grow tired of playing for her and all her craziness very quickly
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Towson handed it to Loyola today


Loyola has looked like a bad HS team the first two games and it will only get worse, they can very realistically start the season 0-7. Adams looked overwhelmed and couldn't adjust in either game.
Some of you people are the biggest scum bags around . You are bashing a young women who is playing in her second or third game for not lighting it up . Did not watch the game but give the kid a break . How did the 3 time tewarton award winner play against UNC in the finals last year, every player has off games .
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Some of you people are the biggest scum bags around . You are bashing a young women who is playing in her second or third game for not lighting it up . Did not watch the game but give the kid a break . How did the 3 time tewarton award winner play against UNC in the finals last year, every player has off games .


They are not in HS anymore and are not kids. This is reality. Some peak in HS, just a fact. The Tewaarton winniner is not the best player either, it's called politics.
Coaches get too much credit. Many times the talent finds the coach same thing happens in club. Do the YJ's have the best coaches? In many age groups ABSOLUTELY NOT! But they do get the largest registration numbers and the best players so yes they are going to win a ton of games. Many college coaches are the same way
Get the ball-go to the goal!! The SS way! No player developement and no adjustments to her game. This is her warning year- if she doesn't produce she's gone, she may have been a decent player but clearly can't coach-even with daddy giving her directives! But hey, maybe they'll beat Maryland this Saturday!
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Get the ball-go to the goal!! The SS way! No player developement and no adjustments to her game. This is her warning year- if she doesn't produce she's gone, she may have been a decent player but clearly can't coach-even with daddy giving her directives! But hey, maybe they'll beat Maryland this Saturday!


Zero adjustments. It can't always be about feeding one or two players. It shouldn't be about forcing a good middie to play D where she gets beat.
Decent player, really? 3x All American, tewarton winner, and 3x national champ. Arguably one of the best players ever. Yes last year Hofstra stunk, however overall under SS they have been competitive and making your silly Maryland comment is just plain stupid. How many teams actually beat them the last few years? If Hofstra finishes 500 after last year I say she has done a good job of rebounding.
Why is this a warning year? Is she going to be fired? The answer is no. She isn't making a lot of money to coach. The program gives her very little. They bring no money in for the school. No reason to get rid of her. Why do you think she got the job right out of college? Hofstra doesn't pay any of their coaches a decent salary.
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Why is this a warning year? Is she going to be fired? The answer is no. She isn't making a lot of money to coach. The program gives her very little. They bring no money in for the school. No reason to get rid of her. Why do you think she got the job right out of college? Hofstra doesn't pay any of their coaches a decent salary.


correct that's why there is clinic and tournament after tournament using hofstras facilities. That is where she makes her money.
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Why is this a warning year? Is she going to be fired? The answer is no. She isn't making a lot of money to coach. The program gives her very little. They bring no money in for the school. No reason to get rid of her. Why do you think she got the job right out of college? Hofstra doesn't pay any of their coaches a decent salary.


She got the job because they figured she would be able to draw local talent as she has local fame and club ties. And she does draw local interest. But she also has to compete with Spillina for the local talent and he has a clear hand up on her, even with the kids from her own club.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some of you people are the biggest scum bags around . You are bashing a young women who is playing in her second or third game for not lighting it up . Did not watch the game but give the kid a break . How did the 3 time tewarton award winner play against UNC in the finals last year, every player has off games .


They are not in HS anymore and are not kids. This is reality. Some peak in HS, just a fact. The Tewaarton winniner is not the best player either, it's called politics.


You really are an ignorant loser. You think you know more than the USC coaches or recognize talent more. The fact that you are bashing this young women from the results of one game tells the rest of us that there is some motive behind your posts. Lets take a stab , #1 recruit, U19 national team member ,great family, supportive mother and father. Could it be your precious little girl got snubbed for one or all the aforementioned accolades or you cannot stand that her parents are such nice people. Who knows but you are a loser.
I have heard that Stetson is really good this year!
Anyone else hear that?
How come nobody gets on them for their schedule.
It is hard for top ten teams to play all the other top ten teams .....right.
So stop with giving teams crap for playing other teams already!
the red cup? a bit early no..
Both campuses are lousy (Hofstra and Stony Brook). Hofstra is now $53k a year and I don't think their program uses their full scholarship allotment. Both educations are fine but a partial at SB gets you to below $10k
LIU post coach was offered the job years ago. She turned it down knowing she couldn't compete with the up and coming program at stony brook for half the price.
Bill, it's time for your meds
And the team actually LIKES Spallina
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And the team actually LIKES Spallina


No, they don't. They fear him. There's a difference. He's abusive and over the top.
I'll bet your daughter is soft and you are fine with her being average. You unfortunately mistake demanding excellence for being abusive. It's ok, lots of today's parents do it.

But make no mistake your kid is being held back by you.
Nicole Levy - 4 FP shots, 4 different corners:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80ksGpgaLAs
And sometimes abusive and narcissistic hides behind demanding. my daughter played for a POS like that once and I won't allow it to happen again.
Syracuse with a Big scare last night.
Northwestern on Long Island for two games. At Hofstra vs Cuse then at Stony Brook Sunday afternoon. Plus Maryland Hofstra Saturday. Some great lacrosse on Long Island
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I'll bet your daughter is soft and you are fine with her being average. You unfortunately mistake demanding excellence for being abusive. It's ok, lots of today's parents do it.

But make no mistake your kid is being held back by you.
I'll bet that secretly your daughter wished for any offer to any school anywhere, just to get away
Looks like we have a new #1. Maryland.
She will go wherever she wants.... she is a self starter who thrives under a culture of high demands and as a result is a high achiever.

If she wants to go, she will not have to ask. She will move ahead with her life prepared.

It's tough out there.... it's no place for softies.
Sir, yes Sir
very impressive- kid has some shot
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I'll bet your daughter is soft and you are fine with her being average. You unfortunately mistake demanding excellence for being abusive. It's ok, lots of today's parents do it.

But make no mistake your kid is being held back by you.


Thanks Mary Beth, but that's not the case. He is cruel and singles his players out. He demeans them and attempts to destroy their self confidence. He's a short, fake tan, teeth-whitening bully with a Napoleon complex. I know of literally no one that likes him besides you.
Where do you all get your rankings? The full rankings, not just the top 20. I used to go to LaxPower but now they've made it available only under a paid app.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'll bet your daughter is soft and you are fine with her being average. You unfortunately mistake demanding excellence for being abusive. It's ok, lots of today's parents do it.

But make no mistake your kid is being held back by you.


Thanks Mary Beth, but that's not the case. He is cruel and singles his players out. He demeans them and attempts to destroy their self confidence. He's a short, fake tan, teeth-whitening bully with a Napoleon complex. I know of literally no one that likes him besides you.

Sounds like you're describing SS (except pale with rotten teeth) maybe it's a LI thing?
Can't we stick to complaining about coaching and not coaches? I care about who does what, how and why. I don't care who bleaches their teeth or their hair. That just lowers the conversation.
Great games on LI this weekend !
Think there will be some teams to watch this season because with unsuccessful seasons coaches could be on the outs. Virginia, Rutgers, Ohio state, Cinncinnati. These are Big conference schools that are underachieving. I agree some schools really Do not care but I think some of these have to.
Syracuse last night an astounding 10 free position goals out of 12. WOAH!! Have never heard of that many in a close game
Dont forget to add georgetown on that list year after year with top recruits and no results
The possession clock has been great especially at the end of games There is a lot more strategy and more possessions creating a large amount of excitement. Scores have also been lower than anticipated
Is there a place to get a universal schedule for all NCAA games
soft and mushy I bet.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'll bet your daughter is soft and you are fine with her being average. You unfortunately mistake demanding excellence for being abusive. It's ok, lots of today's parents do it.

But make no mistake your kid is being held back by you.


Thanks Mary Beth, but that's not the case. He is cruel and singles his players out. He demeans them and attempts to destroy their self confidence. He's a short, fake tan, teeth-whitening bully with a Napoleon complex. I know of literally no one that likes him besides you.

Sounds like you're describing SS (except pale with rotten teeth) maybe it's a LI thing?



Those in glass houses should not throw stones, sounds like you're describing yourself. And SB will choke again this year when it counts!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there a place to get a universal schedule for all NCAA games


http://www.ncaa.com/scoreboard/lacrosse-women/d1
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where do you all get your rankings? The full rankings, not just the top 20. I used to go to LaxPower but now they've made it available only under a paid app.


http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-women/d1/ncaa-womens-lacrosse-rpi
Thank you !
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Watched the Georgetown-Hopkins game last night. Great game, Hopkins goalie looked good. Just astonishing with the talent that Georgetown has that they are so mediocre...
so true! Georgetown year after year gets some incredibly talented kids and can not do anything with them
Great games this weekend on LI. Fri night Syracuse vs Northwestern at Hofstra at 6pm. Sat Hofstra vs Maryland at Hofstra at1pm. Sun Stony Brook vs Northwestern at Stony Brook at 1pm
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so true! Georgetown year after year gets some incredibly talented kids and can not do anything with them



Who really cares a GT degree gets you a job anywhere and GT Law gets you 50% more than other lawyers. Nobody cares about lacrosse! Five teams have won over the last 25 years. Not going to change this year either.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watched the Georgetown-Hopkins game last night. Great game, Hopkins goalie looked good. Just astonishing with the talent that Georgetown has that they are so mediocre...


Really? I found it painful to watch, both teams looked very slow, had very weak shooting skills, were dropping the ball all over the place - in general it looked like two mediocre HS teams to me
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great games this weekend on LI. Fri night Syracuse vs Northwestern at Hofstra at 6pm. Sat Hofstra vs Maryland at Hofstra at1pm. Sun Stony Brook vs Northwestern at Stony Brook at 1pm


I'm not so sure that second game fits into the great category... Maryland would have more competition scrimmaging themselves, easy double digit win for them
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so true! Georgetown year after year gets some incredibly talented kids and can not do anything with them



Who really cares a GT degree gets you a job anywhere and GT Law gets you 50% more than other lawyers. Nobody cares about lacrosse! Five teams have won over the last 25 years. Not going to change this year either.


Yeah ok, nobody cares about lacrosse...these girls been playing their whole lives, spending five hours a day and not being able to take the majors of their choice to play. Your a copout.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so true! Georgetown year after year gets some incredibly talented kids and can not do anything with them



Who really cares a GT degree gets you a job anywhere and GT Law gets you 50% more than other lawyers. Nobody cares about lacrosse! Five teams have won over the last 25 years. Not going to change this year either.

This always cracks me up! If nobody cares about lacrosse, why are you on a Lacrosse website? comical! Isn't there a Georgetown Law forum you should be talking lacrosse on?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so true! Georgetown year after year gets some incredibly talented kids and can not do anything with them



Who really cares a GT degree gets you a job anywhere and GT Law gets you 50% more than other lawyers. Nobody cares about lacrosse! Five teams have won over the last 25 years. Not going to change this year either.

This always cracks me up! If nobody cares about lacrosse, why are you on a Lacrosse website? comical! Isn't there a Georgetown Law forum you should be talking lacrosse on?


What cracks me up is even as your daughter is now 19,20,21, you are still more worried about the game and her stats then you are her education and her career. News Flash - you can be a hs school coach for $5,000 just by passing a background check if that is her only aspiration. You don't need to be a GT all american
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]so true! Georgetown year after year gets some incredibly talented kids and can not do anything with them



Who really cares a GT degree gets you a job anywhere and GT Law gets you 50% more than other lawyers. Nobody cares about lacrosse! Five teams have won over the last 25 years. Not going to change this year either.

This always cracks me up! If nobody cares about lacrosse, why are you on a Lacrosse website? comical! Isn't there a Georgetown Law forum you should be talking lacrosse on?


What cracks me up is even as your daughter is now 19,20,21, you are still more worried about the game and her stats then you are her education and her career. News Flash - you can be a hs school coach for $5,000 just by passing a background check if that is her only aspiration. You don't need to be a GT all american

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Maybe some girls want to become teachers and coaches...do some good with their lives, giving back and molding the future generation...But, according to you, thats not good enough...got to be some high powered lawyer getting criminals off on technicalities. Not worried about game and stats, but since we"re in the moment, want the kids to perform to the best of their ability...Big money guys like yourself don't get that...seems like your one of those guys that measures success by money...True Dbag
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]so true! Georgetown year after year gets some incredibly talented kids and can not do anything with them



Who really cares a GT degree gets you a job anywhere and GT Law gets you 50% more than other lawyers. Nobody cares about lacrosse! Five teams have won over the last 25 years. Not going to change this year either.

This always cracks me up! If nobody cares about lacrosse, why are you on a Lacrosse website? comical! Isn't there a Georgetown Law forum you should be talking lacrosse on?


What cracks me up is even as your daughter is now 19,20,21, you are still more worried about the game and her stats then you are her education and her career. News Flash - you can be a hs school coach for $5,000 just by passing a background check if that is her only aspiration. You don't need to be a GT all american

[/quote
Maybe some girls want to become teachers and coaches...do some good with their lives, giving back and molding the future generation...But, according to you, thats not good enough...got to be some high powered lawyer getting criminals off on technicalities. Not worried about game and stats, but since we"re in the moment, want the kids to perform to the best of their ability...Big money guys like yourself don't get that...seems like your one of those guys that measures success by money...True Dbag
Now I'm curious, seeing as you attacked the other poster and called him a d-bag. Are you the kind of d-bag that judges our daughters on what club they play for or what college they attend? I bet you're on here bragging about how fast your daughter committed. Or how much better your daughter is because she plays for a top 50 school and thoes losers in the bottom half shouldn't be allowed to be called DI. Dbags come in many forms and we all fit into one of them
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so true! Georgetown year after year gets some incredibly talented kids and can not do anything with them



Who really cares a GT degree gets you a job anywhere and GT Law gets you 50% more than other lawyers. Nobody cares about lacrosse! Five teams have won over the last 25 years. Not going to change this year either.

This always cracks me up! If nobody cares about lacrosse, why are you on a Lacrosse website? comical! Isn't there a Georgetown Law forum you should be talking lacrosse on?


What cracks me up is even as your daughter is now 19,20,21, you are still more worried about the game and her stats then you are her education and her career. News Flash - you can be a hs school coach for $5,000 just by passing a background check if that is her only aspiration. You don't need to be a GT all american

Why do you assume you know anyone or their daughter. Most of these girls are great lax players and Great students at great colleges. How do you know what anyone is worried about? It is ok for a parent to be interested in the sport their child plays and has passion for. It doesn't mean you don't care about her career after college. They are not mutually exclusive.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]so true! Georgetown year after year gets some incredibly talented kids and can not do anything with them



Who really cares a GT degree gets you a job anywhere and GT Law gets you 50% more than other lawyers. Nobody cares about lacrosse! Five teams have won over the last 25 years. Not going to change this year either.

This always cracks me up! If nobody cares about lacrosse, why are you on a Lacrosse website? comical! Isn't there a Georgetown Law forum you should be talking lacrosse on?


What cracks me up is even as your daughter is now 19,20,21, you are still more worried about the game and her stats then you are her education and her career. News Flash - you can be a hs school coach for $5,000 just by passing a background check if that is her only aspiration. You don't need to be a GT all american

[/quote
Maybe some girls want to become teachers and coaches...do some good with their lives, giving back and molding the future generation...But, according to you, thats not good enough...got to be some high powered lawyer getting criminals off on technicalities. Not worried about game and stats, but since we"re in the moment, want the kids to perform to the best of their ability...Big money guys like yourself don't get that...seems like your one of those guys that measures success by money...True Dbag


Amen! So True!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]so true! Georgetown year after year gets some incredibly talented kids and can not do anything with them



Who really cares a GT degree gets you a job anywhere and GT Law gets you 50% more than other lawyers. Nobody cares about lacrosse! Five teams have won over the last 25 years. Not going to change this year either.

This always cracks me up! If nobody cares about lacrosse, why are you on a Lacrosse website? comical! Isn't there a Georgetown Law forum you should be talking lacrosse on?


What cracks me up is even as your daughter is now 19,20,21, you are still more worried about the game and her stats then you are her education and her career. News Flash - you can be a hs school coach for $5,000 just by passing a background check if that is her only aspiration. You don't need to be a GT all american

[/quote
Maybe some girls want to become teachers and coaches...do some good with their lives, giving back and molding the future generation...But, according to you, thats not good enough...got to be some high powered lawyer getting criminals off on technicalities. Not worried about game and stats, but since we"re in the moment, want the kids to perform to the best of their ability...Big money guys like yourself don't get that...seems like your one of those guys that measures success by money...True Dbag
Now I'm curious, seeing as you attacked the other poster and called him a d-bag. Are you the kind of d-bag that judges our daughters on what club they play for or what college they attend? I bet you're on here bragging about how fast your daughter committed. Or how much better your daughter is because she plays for a top 50 school and thoes losers in the bottom half shouldn't be allowed to be called DI. Dbags come in many forms and we all fit into one of them

I am not the one who you wrote the response to, but if that is what you inferred by that post , you are right. Dbags come in many forms and you certainly fit the bill!
Didn't the original D-Bag start by throwing [lacrosse] at Gtown players for not winning enough?? Now everyone is acting saintly? Anyone going to Gtown should be applauded. I know my kids and probably 95% of all kids can't get in. You people are amazing.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn't the original D-Bag start by throwing [lacrosse] at Gtown players for not winning enough?? Now everyone is acting saintly? Anyone going to Gtown should be applauded. I know my kids and probably 95% of all kids can't get in. You people are amazing.


I responded to the guy that said, girls dont care about lax...i'm saying they do care...he then cut on anybody who wants to be a coach for 5k...thats when i called him a Dbag. I never cut on GT team or any other team...girls playing college lax care, if they didnt, they would quit...Bottom line, its none of anybody else's business.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watched the Georgetown-Hopkins game last night. Great game, Hopkins goalie looked good. Just astonishing with the talent that Georgetown has that they are so mediocre...


Don't think you can argue with this post...calling the girls talented but not winning enough...sounds like a coaching staff problem. if my daughter was on that team, i wouldn't have a problem with it...look at their record.
For those who braved the cold tonight to watch Syracuse-Northwestern--you were treated to a good game. Really a game of two halves with Syracuse winning the first 4-0 and NW winning the second 3-1. Nice crowd too.
Originally Posted by baldbear
For those who braved the cold tonight to watch Syracuse-Northwestern--you were treated to a good game. Really a game of two halves with Syracuse winning the first 4-0 and NW winning the second 3-1. Nice crowd too.
cuse goalie kept them in that game. As a freshman, she will have a great career
Agree, she is outstanding and can't help but think the girl that committed early (2017) may not see much cage time.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
For those who braved the cold tonight to watch Syracuse-Northwestern--you were treated to a good game. Really a game of two halves with Syracuse winning the first 4-0 and NW winning the second 3-1. Nice crowd too.
cuse goalie kept them in that game. As a freshman, she will have a great career


She had several really bad judgement calls and was very lucky two goals were not scored that should have been. She cradled out through defenders way too far, then plowed over a opposing player for a charge. Many oppurtunities to outlet the ball on way and should never have been that far down the field. Then several other out of the net plays and fouls had her behind shooter on free position shots that somehow the defense saved her butt. She actually single handedly almost let NU right back in that game, they were lucky SU didn't score on her mistakes. She has a lot to learn, if she plays smart, she will be good. Nice win for SU, thought they would have won by a larger margin.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
For those who braved the cold tonight to watch Syracuse-Northwestern--you were treated to a good game. Really a game of two halves with Syracuse winning the first 4-0 and NW winning the second 3-1. Nice crowd too.
cuse goalie kept them in that game. As a freshman, she will have a great career


She had several really bad judgement calls and was very lucky two goals were not scored that should have been. She cradled out through defenders way too far, then plowed over a opposing player for a charge. Many oppurtunities to outlet the ball on way and should never have been that far down the field. Then several other out of the net plays and fouls had her behind shooter on free position shots that somehow the defense saved her butt. She actually single handedly almost let NU right back in that game, they were lucky SU didn't score on her mistakes. She has a lot to learn, if she plays smart, she will be good. Nice win for SU, thought they would have won by a larger margin.



Obviously you're clueless very hard to play a game when you can't feel the shift . Once again A NARP trying to have a conversation about sports ... very hard for skilled kids to play in that kind of weather ...BTW, goalie is exciting you live with the mistakes because she makes incredible plays 9pdkkzto back them up when she takes a chance


Both goalies and defenses played well. NW just couldn't seem to cash in on some great opportunities presented to them by some Syracuse turnovers. How do you not score on a penalty shot with no goalie in net?!!
Sounds like a horribly boring game..
I think the weather had a large hand in the offensive ugliness of the game We were in the stands w gloves hand warmers and couldn't feel our hands. Couldn't imagine playing in this
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so true! Georgetown year after year gets some incredibly talented kids and can not do anything with them



Who really cares a GT degree gets you a job anywhere and GT Law gets you 50% more than other lawyers. Nobody cares about lacrosse! Five teams have won over the last 25 years. Not going to change this year either.


Yeah ok, nobody cares about lacrosse...these girls been playing their whole lives, spending five hours a day and not being able to take the majors of their choice to play. Your a copout.


The post below was posted on another thread but much of it is appropriate here.

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Education, Education, Education, Education, Education, Education! !!!

The "Slot" is extremely valuable.

Many of the best universities in the country also happen to field some of the best lacrosse programs in the the nation.

The 11 schools listed below are the only schools that have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the past five years. The number listed is the universities 2017 academic rank. Eight of the Top 20 Universities in the country also have Top 20 Lacrosse Programs.

1 - Princeton
8 - Penn
8 - Duke
12 - Northwestern
15 - Notre Dame
24 - University of Virginia
30 - University of North Carolina
50 - Penn State University
50 - University of Florida
60 - University of Maryland
60 - Syracuse University

In addition to the 11 schools above:

10 - Johns Hopkins University
31 - Boston College
- Have both finished the season ranked in the Top 20 four of the past five years.

5 - Stanford
20 - Georgetown
- Each were ranked in the Top 20 in three of the past five years.

23 - Southern California
- Will more than likely be a perennial Top 20 program.

It is about the education and the admissions slot, not simply the amount of the athletic scholarship.

That being said, with the exception of the IVY's the top recruits at these schools can receive significant athletic money. If you are not one of the top recruits you can still receive a decent athletic scholarship. Some of the Universities listed especially the IVY's have very strong need based aid packages.

Due to generous need based aid packages some girls may opt not to accept an athletic scholarship because they will receive more money in the form of need based aid.

Very good students can receive academic scholarships as well, especially if they choose to attend a slightly less competitive university.

The State Schools can make it very affordable for their in-state recruits.

The top recruits in the country do in fact receive significant athletic money. How do you know if you are a top recruit? Easy, take a look at the schools that are making offers, when they are making the offer and what the offer is. If a number of the schools listed are recruiting and offering when the student is in the 9th grade you are a top recruit.

Athletes who are not considered to be the top recruits in the country can still receive significant athletic money if they are the top recruit at the school they choose to commit to. For example, A player may be offered 70 - 75% by a particular school but that same player may not have had a single offer from UNC, MD, PSU, Syracuse, Penn, Princeton, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, Virginia or Florida.

There is a lot more money out there than many people realize. However, for many players and their families it is about the education.

Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Vanderbilt, Cal - Berkley, University of Michigan, Army, Navy, William and Mary, Boston University, Lehigh, Villanova, Etc... All have programs and all have the ability to help with admissions.

Good luck to all, there is a fit for everyone. Enjoy the ride.

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Use lacrosse to get into the best university possible and hopefully get some financial help.


did anyone see VA tech dismantle Duke? that guy can flat out coach. first season there and he has 2 ACC wins!! the offensive scheme they were running was great to watch. great spacing, movement and just completely baffled Duke.

the cartel of ACC schools may be breaking up.. The Elons, Va tech's and others are joining the party.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
For those who braved the cold tonight to watch Syracuse-Northwestern--you were treated to a good game. Really a game of two halves with Syracuse winning the first 4-0 and NW winning the second 3-1. Nice crowd too.
cuse goalie kept them in that game. As a freshman, she will have a great career


She had several really bad judgement calls and was very lucky two goals were not scored that should have been. She cradled out through defenders way too far, then plowed over a opposing player for a charge. Many oppurtunities to outlet the ball on way and should never have been that far down the field. Then several other out of the net plays and fouls had her behind shooter on free position shots that somehow the defense saved her butt. She actually single handedly almost let NU right back in that game, they were lucky SU didn't score on her mistakes. She has a lot to learn, if she plays smart, she will be good. Nice win for SU, thought they would have won by a larger margin.



Obviously you're clueless very hard to play a game when you can't feel the shift . Once again A NARP trying to have a conversation about sports ... very hard for skilled kids to play in that kind of weather ...BTW, goalie is exciting you live with the mistakes because she makes incredible plays 9pdkkzto back them up when she takes a chance


If the first poster is a NARP or not, that was a fairly accurate description of what happened, only an appologest could challange those facts, and just so you know before you call me a NARP I was a goalie and so is my daughter. As far as playing in the cold, yes it sucks, and you lose something when you're that cold, but blame the coaches and the NCAA for playing games so early, something needs to be done about that. though the cold does affect both teams equally. With that being said, and as I type this , I am watching NU losing to SB, 6-1 at the half and have to ask what are the NU excuses this year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
did anyone see VA tech dismantle Duke? that guy can flat out coach. first season there and he has 2 ACC wins!! the offensive scheme they were running was great to watch. great spacing, movement and just completely baffled Duke.

the cartel of ACC schools may be breaking up.. The Elons, Va tech's and others are joining the party.


Duke has looked very suspect all season, looks like a down year for them. As stated in the previous post the playing field continues to level, aside from the top 5-6 programs there seems to be plenty of room for movement. Loyola was a perennial top 5 program 10-15 years ago, but now struggles to stay in the 20-25 range
Yeah I think these coaches like the one just mentioned skate along, able to recruit absolutely prime talent and then can't get the players organized in the field. Legacy programs, not producing the wins..
Bad day to be Mr. NU Lax Dad. At least she's getting a great education.
GREAT GAME ON LONG ISLAND TODAY!!!!

Crickets .................

It just kills the lax fans that a SUNY from LI can actually be good!
AND they are a good team
And the beating they dished out was without the single season NCAA all time top goal scorer. She was out for the entire 2nd half.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And the beating they dished out was without the single season NCAA all time top goal scorer. She was out for the entire 2nd half.



Any word? Is she ok?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bad day to be Mr. NU Lax Dad. At least she's getting a great education.
Yah, NU has the best TA's around
great come back for Cuse. Can only imagine what was said at halftime.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
GREAT GAME ON LONG ISLAND TODAY!!!!

Crickets .................

It just kills the lax fans that a SUNY from LI can actually be good!
AND they are a good team


I don't think it kills anyone just waiting for them to beat a good team, sorry but the team they just beat has been bad all year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
GREAT GAME ON LONG ISLAND TODAY!!!!

Crickets .................

It just kills the lax fans that a SUNY from LI can actually be good!
AND they are a good team


No, the majority of lax fans simply do not care if a SUNY from LI is actually good. I don't think it kills anybody.

Duke is a mess read the press release publically criticizing your players while Not questioning your own approach is irresponsible unless she is under pressure. Get after your players behind closed doors Bad approach
So great seeing karma come around and bite that program. We all suffered so badly seeing them stall the last 5 plus minutes of a one goal game. It was torture to watch those teams win championships. Here's hoping they fade away and never make it to championship weekend!!
agreed if true
what did the Duke coach do or say?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So great seeing karma come around and bite that program. We all suffered so badly seeing them stall the last 5 plus minutes of a one goal game. It was torture to watch those teams win championships. Here's hoping they fade away and never make it to championship weekend!!


What a small minded jealous little [lacrosse] you must be. Why didn't the defense go challenge and apply pressure? How can a coach sit and watch the clock tic when they are behind? If they were afraid to pressure the ball they should have made sure to have the lead late in the game.


Loyola has traditionally not recruited too many players from strong Island ... could be hurting them. Conversely, SBU recruits almost exclusively from LI and, since current coach took over has done consistently well. No championship yet, but they are definitely a top contender.
It looks like the Duke, Penn and UVA, BU, GTown and Uconn all could be on hot seat. These coaches all want to worry about "making the game better" with rules for recruiting and sticks. I would think they should start worrying about winning.

All the above schools are very strong academic schools. Knowing Women's lax is four years and done they should be able to recruit very strong players. Personally I think they get good players and just don't development them-maybe academic work load is so heavy. But that is not stopping Princeton, PSU, USC or Harvard from success.

VT lost last year to Duke by 9 at home, now they win big away. It was a 20 goal turnaround. That was coaching, not roster changes.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Loyola has traditionally not recruited too many players from strong Island ... could be hurting them. Conversely, SBU recruits almost exclusively from LI and, since current coach took over has done consistently well. No championship yet, but they are definitely a top contender.



love him or hate him, he won a ton in D2 and turned SB around almost overnight. I dislike the stat padding and rough play but he can coach a 1000 times better then some of the other top 10 programs that win because of their rosters talent and not because of coaching
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Loyola has traditionally not recruited too many players from strong Island ... could be hurting them. Conversely, SBU recruits almost exclusively from LI and, since current coach took over has done consistently well. No championship yet, but they are definitely a top contender.



love him or hate him, he won a ton in D2 and turned SB around almost overnight. I dislike the stat padding and rough play but he can coach a 1000 times better then some of the other top 10 programs that win because of their rosters talent and not because of coaching


Believe it or not, and you probably won't, he discourages rough play. He actively tells them to dial it back. When you've got a team of all Long Island kids you're going to get it whether you ask for it or not.
high contact, low character. yes we know.
like anyone is going to take the bait on crap like that..


if you could change the Women's game in any way what would it be? for me it's change the draw so the attack and D must stay below the 30 until possession is gained. also why not let them have deeper pockets in the stick? so many drops in Women's that you don't see in the boys game-- slows the game down and leads to more contact on offense and in transition because the balls on the ground so much.




No ties to either but having been around this for awhile crazy to see SB beat Northwestern by so many and were actually up even more than the final as well as VT beating Duke handily. Think the top 2 are the same and probably will not change but the next 15 are evolving
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Loyola has traditionally not recruited too many players from strong Island ... could be hurting them. Conversely, SBU recruits almost exclusively from LI and, since current coach took over has done consistently well. No championship yet, but they are definitely a top contender.



love him or hate him, he won a ton in D2 and turned SB around almost overnight. I dislike the stat padding and rough play but he can coach a 1000 times better then some of the other top 10 programs that win because of their rosters talent and not because of coaching


Believe it or not, and you probably won't, he discourages rough play. He actively tells them to dial it back. When you've got a team of all Long Island kids you're going to get it whether you ask for it or not.


Sorry, I cant buy that one. Adelphi and SB are very chippy and physical and its been that way for 15 or so years. That's his style and pattern regardless of what he says. Just own it
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It looks like the Duke, Penn and UVA, BU, GTown and Uconn all could be on hot seat. These coaches all want to worry about "making the game better" with rules for recruiting and sticks. I would think they should start worrying about winning.

All the above schools are very strong academic schools. Knowing Women's lax is four years and done they should be able to recruit very strong players. Personally I think they get good players and just don't development them-maybe academic work load is so heavy. But that is not stopping Princeton, PSU, USC or Harvard from success.

VT lost last year to Duke by 9 at home, now they win big away. It was a 20 goal turnaround. That was coaching, not roster changes.


First lets not compare PSU to Princeton ,USC, Harvard in an academic sense. While those coaches may be on the hot seat I doubt it as 1 down year should have little impact on most of those coaches who have a history of success both recently and over many years.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It looks like the Duke, Penn and UVA, BU, GTown and Uconn all could be on hot seat. These coaches all want to worry about "making the game better" with rules for recruiting and sticks. I would think they should start worrying about winning.

All the above schools are very strong academic schools. Knowing Women's lax is four years and done they should be able to recruit very strong players. Personally I think they get good players and just don't development them-maybe academic work load is so heavy. But that is not stopping Princeton, PSU, USC or Harvard from success.

VT lost last year to Duke by 9 at home, now they win big away. It was a 20 goal turnaround. That was coaching, not roster changes.


First lets not compare PSU to Princeton ,USC, Harvard in an academic sense. While those coaches may be on the hot seat I doubt it as 1 down year should have little impact on most of those coaches who have a history of success both recently and over many years.
Penn and Duke coaches on the hot seat? What are you smoking. You know nothing.
Sad that SBU does not get bench in when up by 10, very good talent there. How are the D2 women's programs this year?
Michigan coach is on the hot seat.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It looks like the Duke, Penn and UVA, BU, GTown and Uconn all could be on hot seat. These coaches all want to worry about "making the game better" with rules for recruiting and sticks. I would think they should start worrying about winning.

All the above schools are very strong academic schools. Knowing Women's lax is four years and done they should be able to recruit very strong players. Personally I think they get good players and just don't development them-maybe academic work load is so heavy. But that is not stopping Princeton, PSU, USC or Harvard from success.

VT lost last year to Duke by 9 at home, now they win big away. It was a 20 goal turnaround. That was coaching, not roster changes.


First lets not compare PSU to Princeton ,USC, Harvard in an academic sense. While those coaches may be on the hot seat I doubt it as 1 down year should have little impact on most of those coaches who have a history of success both recently and over many years.


For that matter, lets not compare Harvard and Princeton to USC, not anywhere near the same league, sorry Ivy wannabe.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It looks like the Duke, Penn and UVA, BU, GTown and Uconn all could be on hot seat. These coaches all want to worry about "making the game better" with rules for recruiting and sticks. I would think they should start worrying about winning.

All the above schools are very strong academic schools. Knowing Women's lax is four years and done they should be able to recruit very strong players. Personally I think they get good players and just don't development them-maybe academic work load is so heavy. But that is not stopping Princeton, PSU, USC or Harvard from success.

VT lost last year to Duke by 9 at home, now they win big away. It was a 20 goal turnaround. That was coaching, not roster changes.


First lets not compare PSU to Princeton ,USC, Harvard in an academic sense. While those coaches may be on the hot seat I doubt it as 1 down year should have little impact on most of those coaches who have a history of success both recently and over many years.


For that matter, lets not compare Harvard and Princeton to USC, not anywhere near the same league, sorry Ivy wannabe.


I agree, but with that said, Harvard is not anywhere near USC on the lax field...I know its all about the education, but lets show both sides and not just show your side of it...
How is that Michigan coach able to survive? I understand she started the program but it has now been several years and team started 0-5 this year.
Horrible to watch (the injury wasn't graphic, but she was in extreme pain) and the knowledge that this great athlete and special young person probably played in her last game. Heartbreaking. Best wishes on s speedy recovery.
Penn coach very good at drawing from known high school powerhouses ... 16 out of 26 on the roster are from NY and NJ hot beds... her team will always be in the mix. May not win the NCAA, but they do compete for the Ivy title which is all that really matters to the IVy league admins, alums and parents. Which IVy is the best this year? Brown really coming on strong. Cornell with an upset victory over Penn... things are getting interesting in the IVy league.
how about Villanova??? hot school, close to all lacrosse hot beds, No.1 undergrad business school, Nat Champs in hoops and No.2 this year?? how can they allow this much losing??
Would think UVA on hot seat as well as Michigan and Rutgers
No talent at Villanova and she is cheap with money
UVA made the switch with men's team and early reviews are good. So AD not afraid to remove long time coaches.
Villanova may still not be fully funded for women's program.As recent as 3 years ago they only had 3 scholarships for the ENTIRE TEAM. Coach has no chance anywhere if they are not fully funded. Facilities at Villanova are also very dated.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
how about Villanova??? hot school, close to all lacrosse hot beds, No.1 undergrad business school, Nat Champs in hoops and No.2 this year?? how can they allow this much losing??


I had heard villanova does use all their schollys
Originally Posted by Anonymous
UVA made the switch with men's team and early reviews are good. So AD not afraid to remove long time coaches.


I would put BC coach on that hot seat list , reading the bio of UVA coach I would think she has a lot of credit built up so will probably be safe ,could be off but I believe she has coached there for 20 years and they have made the NCAA tournament every one of those years and have been ranked as high as 4 during each of the last 2 seasons. That said could always be a case of what have you done for me lately.
cheap? what you think she holds back some of the 12 rides and pockets it something?? wth. the talent is the problem and yes she is responsible for recruiting it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
UVA made the switch with men's team and early reviews are good. So AD not afraid to remove long time coaches.


I would put BC coach on that hot seat list , reading the bio of UVA coach I would think she has a lot of credit built up so will probably be safe ,could be off but I believe she has coached there for 20 years and they have made the NCAA tournament every one of those years and have been ranked as high as 4 during each of the last 2 seasons. That said could always be a case of what have you done for me lately.


They didn't care with Men's coach
Add Ohio state Boston U and Georgetown to the hot seats
Originally Posted by Anonymous
cheap? what you think she holds back some of the 12 rides and pockets it something?? wth. the talent is the problem and yes she is responsible for recruiting it.


more schools than you would think don't use the ncaa approved amount of scholarships. Villanova is trying to compete with just 25% of their scholarships hoping that kids just want to play and get a degree from a very good school. Problem is the $65 thousand dollar price tag
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Horrible to watch (the injury wasn't graphic, but she was in extreme pain) and the knowledge that this great athlete and special young person probably played in her last game. Heartbreaking. Best wishes on s speedy recovery.


Let's hope she can be redshirted and is in a 5 year academic program.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is that Michigan coach able to survive? I understand she started the program but it has now been several years and team started 0-5 this year.


None of the coaches any where are any hot seats - NOBODY cares about womens lax, if not for title nine it wouldn't even exist. Mens football and hoops are the only jobs that come with expectations - they pay ALL the bills for the athletic dept
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It looks like the Duke, Penn and UVA, BU, GTown and Uconn all could be on hot seat. These coaches all want to worry about "making the game better" with rules for recruiting and sticks. I would think they should start worrying about winning.

All the above schools are very strong academic schools. Knowing Women's lax is four years and done they should be able to recruit very strong players. Personally I think they get good players and just don't development them-maybe academic work load is so heavy. But that is not stopping Princeton, PSU, USC or Harvard from success.

VT lost last year to Duke by 9 at home, now they win big away. It was a 20 goal turnaround. That was coaching, not roster changes.


First lets not compare PSU to Princeton ,USC, Harvard in an academic sense. While those coaches may be on the hot seat I doubt it as 1 down year should have little impact on most of those coaches who have a history of success both recently and over many years.


For that matter, lets not compare Harvard and Princeton to USC, not anywhere near the same league, sorry Ivy wannabe.
Ok I'm voting this the dumbest post by the mos uninformed moron lax parent. First, I'm sure the colective trust at USC would sell there mothers down the river to be called an "ivy" and garner all the prestige that come with it. Second, USC.... though very good academically, will still allow a certain amount of, lets say, underachievers into there ranks for the sake of an NCAA championship, something an Ivy will not do. And most importantly, and obviously lost on this dolt, Princeton is one of the five teams to win a NCAA championship, something USC hs not done yet, so I ask ...... who's the real "wannabe"?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is that Michigan coach able to survive? I understand she started the program but it has now been several years and team started 0-5 this year.


None of the coaches any where are any hot seats - NOBODY cares about womens lax, if not for title nine it wouldn't even exist. Mens football and hoops are the only jobs that come with expectations - they pay ALL the bills for the athletic dept


Very true. nobody cares except parents of players and even then the scope is narrow. Just look at the playoffs, nobody goes
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is that Michigan coach able to survive? I understand she started the program but it has now been several years and team started 0-5 this year.


None of the coaches any where are any hot seats - NOBODY cares about womens lax, if not for title nine it wouldn't even exist. Mens football and hoops are the only jobs that come with expectations - they pay ALL the bills for the athletic dept



Well....another ignorant statement here on BOTC. So lets go to the facts. From the NCAA.... in 2013 in only 20 FBS football schools did the football team generate more money than it spent. In 2014 there were 24 FBS football schools that generated more money than they spent. Most football schools in FBS, FCS, and div 2 and 3 the football program LOST money. The basketball #'s are similar. Wont bore everyone with all the percentages. Sooooo before you talk nonsense at least be somewhat educated with the facts.
Tell that to Starsia......
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Horrible to watch (the injury wasn't graphic, but she was in extreme pain) and the knowledge that this great athlete and special young person probably played in her last game. Heartbreaking. Best wishes on s speedy recovery.


Whom are you referring to?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is that Michigan coach able to survive? I understand she started the program but it has now been several years and team started 0-5 this year.


None of the coaches any where are any hot seats - NOBODY cares about womens lax, if not for title nine it wouldn't even exist. Mens football and hoops are the only jobs that come with expectations - they pay ALL the bills for the athletic dept



Well....another ignorant statement here on BOTC. So lets go to the facts. From the NCAA.... in 2013 in only 20 FBS football schools did the football team generate more money than it spent. In 2014 there were 24 FBS football schools that generated more money than they spent. Most football schools in FBS, FCS, and div 2 and 3 the football program LOST money. The basketball #'s are similar. Wont bore everyone with all the percentages. Sooooo before you talk nonsense at least be somewhat educated with the facts.


So Notre Dame football and basketball doesn't make money? Duke basketball doesn't make money? Ohio state football doesn't make money? USC football doesn't make money? Michigan football and basketball doesn't make money? These are some of the coaches who have been described as being on the "hot seat" due to poor results, so again NOBODY cares and if not for title 9 there wouldn't be women's lax, all the aforementioned programs generate big dollars and subsidize the rest of the athletic programs
regardless of sport the big schools do not like to lose in anything and neither do the alumni
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is that Michigan coach able to survive? I understand she started the program but it has now been several years and team started 0-5 this year.


None of the coaches any where are any hot seats - NOBODY cares about womens lax, if not for title nine it wouldn't even exist. Mens football and hoops are the only jobs that come with expectations - they pay ALL the bills for the athletic dept



Well....another ignorant statement here on BOTC. So lets go to the facts. From the NCAA.... in 2013 in only 20 FBS football schools did the football team generate more money than it spent. In 2014 there were 24 FBS football schools that generated more money than they spent. Most football schools in FBS, FCS, and div 2 and 3 the football program LOST money. The basketball #'s are similar. Wont bore everyone with all the percentages. Sooooo before you talk nonsense at least be somewhat educated with the facts.


So Notre Dame football and basketball doesn't make money? Duke basketball doesn't make money? Ohio state football doesn't make money? USC football doesn't make money? Michigan football and basketball doesn't make money? These are some of the coaches who have been described as being on the "hot seat" due to poor results, so again NOBODY cares and if not for title 9 there wouldn't be women's lax, all the aforementioned programs generate big dollars and subsidize the rest of the athletic programs


We get it you hate women and wish they did not play sports now go crawl back under that rock .If you think that there are no expectations with womens collegiate sports it just shows how ignorant you are.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Penn coach very good at drawing from known high school powerhouses ... 16 out of 26 on the roster are from NY and NJ hot beds... her team will always be in the mix. May not win the NCAA, but they do compete for the Ivy title which is all that really matters to the IVy league admins, alums and parents. Which IVy is the best this year? Brown really coming on strong. Cornell with an upset victory over Penn... things are getting interesting in the IVy league.


Traditionally, Penn and Princeton have been the best Ivy League teams. Princeton with three National Championships and Penn with some really great teams especially 07, 08 and 09.

Penn & Princeton are in the Top 20 just about every year. As a matter of fact, 11 of the past 12 years Penn and Princeton have each finished ranked in the Top 20.

During the past 12 years Penn has ended the year in the Top 10 a total of 6 times while Princeton has finished 5 of the past 12 years ranked in the Top 10.

In each of the past 5 years Penn and Princeton have both finished ranked in the Top 20 which puts them in a pretty exclusive group of programs.

Both have finished in the Top 10 exactly 1 time during the past 5 years.

Cornell is coming off a Top 20 finish in 2016 and is off to a great start this year. 6 of the past 12 years Cornell has finished in the Top 20. Only 1 time in the past 5 years has Cornell finished in the Top 20.

Dartmouth would be next finishing 5 times in the Top 20 over the past 12 years. 2 times in the past 5 years Dartmouth has been ranked in the Top 20 and 1 time they finished ranked #10. Dartmouth has not been ranked the past 3 years.

Yale had 3 Top 20 finishes in the past 12 years. Yale has not been ranked the past 5 years.

Harvard has had 1 Top 20 Finish during the past 12 years. They have not been ranked the past 5 years.

Brown and Columbia have not been ranked.

Cornell may be the favorite this year and I would guess that Princeton and Penn will be in the mix. Who will round out the final 4?

At the end of the day who really cares? It all goes by so quickly.

If you have a daughter with very good grades (and test scores) I would strongly consider exploring the Ivy's. All of the programs are competitive and the league rivalries are great.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is that Michigan coach able to survive? I understand she started the program but it has now been several years and team started 0-5 this year.


None of the coaches any where are any hot seats - NOBODY cares about womens lax, if not for title nine it wouldn't even exist. Mens football and hoops are the only jobs that come with expectations - they pay ALL the bills for the athletic dept



Well....another ignorant statement here on BOTC. So lets go to the facts. From the NCAA.... in 2013 in only 20 FBS football schools did the football team generate more money than it spent. In 2014 there were 24 FBS football schools that generated more money than they spent. Most football schools in FBS, FCS, and div 2 and 3 the football program LOST money. The basketball #'s are similar. Wont bore everyone with all the percentages. Sooooo before you talk nonsense at least be somewhat educated with the facts.


So Notre Dame football and basketball doesn't make money? Duke basketball doesn't make money? Ohio state football doesn't make money? USC football doesn't make money? Michigan football and basketball doesn't make money? These are some of the coaches who have been described as being on the "hot seat" due to poor results, so again NOBODY cares and if not for title 9 there wouldn't be women's lax, all the aforementioned programs generate big dollars and subsidize the rest of the athletic programs


So lets see....You named 5 schools. Ha, I see you really did your research. Now tell me how many schools participate in FCS, FBS Div 2 and 3 football. And by your account mens volleyball, swimming, hockey, lacrosse, baseball, gymnastics, cross country, golf, fencing, rowing etc are sports nobody nobody cares about and should be eliminated. You my friend are a Jacka$$
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Horrible to watch (the injury wasn't graphic, but she was in extreme pain) and the knowledge that this great athlete and special young person probably played in her last game. Heartbreaking. Best wishes on s speedy recovery.


Whom are you referring to?


I was wondering that too (Quote button helps), but assume it was Courtney Murphy from SB since there was a previous comment about her leaving the game injured in the first half.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Horrible to watch (the injury wasn't graphic, but she was in extreme pain) and the knowledge that this great athlete and special young person probably played in her last game. Heartbreaking. Best wishes on s speedy recovery.


Whom are you referring to?


I was wondering that too (Quote button helps), but assume it was Courtney Murphy from SB since there was a previous comment about her leaving the game injured in the first half.


I looked back but didn't see the name mentioned. Thanks. I also saw that Lasota did not play in the two games on LI. I understand that she has a broken foot. Big loss for NW Lax...

IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 6

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 4-0 400 20 1
2 North Carolina 5-1 380 2
3 Florida 3-1 353 3
4 Southern California 3-1 324 4
5 Syracuse 7-0 321 5
6 Penn State 6-0 299 6
7 Stony Brook 4-0 278 8
8 Notre Dame 7-1 268 7
9 Princeton 4-0 235 11
10 Colorado 6-0 207 13
11 Cornell 2-1 204 15
12 Penn 3-1 178 10
13 Duke 4-2 146 9
14 Northwestern 2-4 111 12
15 Towson 3-3 99 16
16 Denver 5-1 95 14
17 Stanford 4-2 74 17
18 James Madison 5-1 65 19
19 Johns Hopkins 5-1 60 18
20 Virginia Tech 7-2. 44. NR
IWLCA Poll for Division II, March 6

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 2-0 398 18 1
2 Lindenwood 3-0 372 1 2
3 Le Moyne 1-0 366 1 3
4 LIU Post 1-1 330 4
5 Florida Southern. 4-2 320 5
6 West Chester 0-0 278 6
7 Limestone 5-0 266 8
8 Queens 3-1 263 7
9 Rollins 4-2 237 9
10 Mercyhurst 1-0 216 10
11 New Haven 1-0 214 11
12 Grand Valley State 0-2 168 12
13 Bentley 0-0 166 13
14 Indiana (PA) 0-0 117 14
15 Lock Haven 0-0 99 16
16 NYIT 3-0 94 15
17 Florida Tech 5-1 78 19
18 Regis (CO) 2-0 73 17
19 Stonehill 0-1 57 18
20 Pace 0-1 28 20

IWLCA Poll for Division III, March 6

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Middlebury 1-0 400 20 1
2 Cortland 1-0 379 2
3 Trinity (CT) 1-0 376 3
4 Gettysburg 3-0 340 4
5 College of NJ 2-0 303 5
6 Catholic (DC) 2-0 298 6
7 Washington & Lee 4-0 273 12
8 Franklin & Marshall 1-1 244 9
9 [lacrosse] 2-1 213 11
10 Brockport 2-0 206 10
11 Salisbury 2-2 201 7
12 Messiah 2-1 162 15
13 Hamilton 1-0 152 16
14 St. John Fisher 0-0 131 14
15 Amherst 0-1 116 8
16 Bowdoin 1-0 98 NR
17 Mary Washington 3-2 76 17
18 Ithaca 2-0 54 20
19 St. Mary's (MD) 3-2 50 19
20 Colby 0-1 40 18
Your comment is partially correct. That 2013 profitability was for the universities as a stand alone product. It DID NOT include TV money. Men's college football and basketball is big money. They would not be paying the salaries to those coaches if it did not make money.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so true! Georgetown year after year gets some incredibly talented kids and can not do anything with them



Who really cares a GT degree gets you a job anywhere and GT Law gets you 50% more than other lawyers. Nobody cares about lacrosse! Five teams have won over the last 25 years. Not going to change this year either.


Yeah ok, nobody cares about lacrosse...these girls been playing their whole lives, spending five hours a day and not being able to take the majors of their choice to play. Your a copout.


The post below was posted on another thread but much of it is appropriate here.

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Education, Education, Education, Education, Education, Education! !!!

The "Slot" is extremely valuable.

Many of the best universities in the country also happen to field some of the best lacrosse programs in the the nation.

The 11 schools listed below are the only schools that have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the past five years. The number listed is the universities 2017 academic rank. Eight of the Top 20 Universities in the country also have Top 20 Lacrosse Programs.

1 - Princeton
8 - Penn
8 - Duke
12 - Northwestern
15 - Notre Dame
24 - University of Virginia
30 - University of North Carolina
50 - Penn State University
50 - University of Florida
60 - University of Maryland
60 - Syracuse University

In addition to the 11 schools above:

10 - Johns Hopkins University
31 - Boston College
- Have both finished the season ranked in the Top 20 four of the past five years.

5 - Stanford
20 - Georgetown
- Each were ranked in the Top 20 in three of the past five years.

23 - Southern California
- Will more than likely be a perennial Top 20 program.

It is about the education and the admissions slot, not simply the amount of the athletic scholarship.

That being said, with the exception of the IVY's the top recruits at these schools can receive significant athletic money. If you are not one of the top recruits you can still receive a decent athletic scholarship. Some of the Universities listed especially the IVY's have very strong need based aid packages.

Due to generous need based aid packages some girls may opt not to accept an athletic scholarship because they will receive more money in the form of need based aid.

Very good students can receive academic scholarships as well, especially if they choose to attend a slightly less competitive university.

The State Schools can make it very affordable for their in-state recruits.

The top recruits in the country do in fact receive significant athletic money. How do you know if you are a top recruit? Easy, take a look at the schools that are making offers, when they are making the offer and what the offer is. If a number of the schools listed are recruiting and offering when the student is in the 9th grade you are a top recruit.

Athletes who are not considered to be the top recruits in the country can still receive significant athletic money if they are the top recruit at the school they choose to commit to. For example, A player may be offered 70 - 75% by a particular school but that same player may not have had a single offer from UNC, MD, PSU, Syracuse, Penn, Princeton, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, Virginia or Florida.

There is a lot more money out there than many people realize. However, for many players and their families it is about the education.

Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Vanderbilt, Cal - Berkley, University of Michigan, Army, Navy, William and Mary, Boston University, Lehigh, Villanova, Etc... All have programs and all have the ability to help with admissions.

Good luck to all, there is a fit for everyone. Enjoy the ride.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so true! Georgetown year after year gets some incredibly talented kids and can not do anything with them



Who really cares a GT degree gets you a job anywhere and GT Law gets you 50% more than other lawyers. Nobody cares about lacrosse! Five teams have won over the last 25 years. Not going to change this year either.


Yeah ok, nobody cares about lacrosse...these girls been playing their whole lives, spending five hours a day and not being able to take the majors of their choice to play. Your a copout.


The post below was posted on another thread but much of it is appropriate here.

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Education, Education, Education, Education, Education, Education! !!!

The "Slot" is extremely valuable.

Many of the best universities in the country also happen to field some of the best lacrosse programs in the the nation.

The 11 schools listed below are the only schools that have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the past five years. The number listed is the universities 2017 academic rank. Eight of the Top 20 Universities in the country also have Top 20 Lacrosse Programs.

1 - Princeton
8 - Penn
8 - Duke
12 - Northwestern
15 - Notre Dame
24 - University of Virginia
30 - University of North Carolina
50 - Penn State University
50 - University of Florida
60 - University of Maryland
60 - Syracuse University

In addition to the 11 schools above:

10 - Johns Hopkins University
31 - Boston College
- Have both finished the season ranked in the Top 20 four of the past five years.

5 - Stanford
20 - Georgetown
- Each were ranked in the Top 20 in three of the past five years.

23 - Southern California
- Will more than likely be a perennial Top 20 program.

It is about the education and the admissions slot, not simply the amount of the athletic scholarship.

That being said, with the exception of the IVY's the top recruits at these schools can receive significant athletic money. If you are not one of the top recruits you can still receive a decent athletic scholarship. Some of the Universities listed especially the IVY's have very strong need based aid packages.

Due to generous need based aid packages some girls may opt not to accept an athletic scholarship because they will receive more money in the form of need based aid.

Very good students can receive academic scholarships as well, especially if they choose to attend a slightly less competitive university.

The State Schools can make it very affordable for their in-state recruits.

The top recruits in the country do in fact receive significant athletic money. How do you know if you are a top recruit? Easy, take a look at the schools that are making offers, when they are making the offer and what the offer is. If a number of the schools listed are recruiting and offering when the student is in the 9th grade you are a top recruit.

Athletes who are not considered to be the top recruits in the country can still receive significant athletic money if they are the top recruit at the school they choose to commit to. For example, A player may be offered 70 - 75% by a particular school but that same player may not have had a single offer from UNC, MD, PSU, Syracuse, Penn, Princeton, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, Virginia or Florida.

There is a lot more money out there than many people realize. However, for many players and their families it is about the education.

Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Vanderbilt, Cal - Berkley, University of Michigan, Army, Navy, William and Mary, Boston University, Lehigh, Villanova, Etc... All have programs and all have the ability to help with admissions.

Good luck to all, there is a fit for everyone. Enjoy the ride.

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Well said. But don't forget D3 has amazing academic schools as well that is a great fit for many students. Middlebury, Hamilton, Amherst, Williams, Tufts, Bates, Bowdoin, Colby, Franklin & Marshall, Washington & Lee, Haverford, Gettysburg--all great schools with great lacrosse (especially the NESCAC).
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
For those who braved the cold tonight to watch Syracuse-Northwestern--you were treated to a good game. Really a game of two halves with Syracuse winning the first 4-0 and NW winning the second 3-1. Nice crowd too.
cuse goalie kept them in that game. As a freshman, she will have a great career


She had several really bad judgement calls and was very lucky two goals were not scored that should have been. She cradled out through defenders way too far, then plowed over a opposing player for a charge. Many oppurtunities to outlet the ball on way and should never have been that far down the field. Then several other out of the net plays and fouls had her behind shooter on free position shots that somehow the defense saved her butt. She actually single handedly almost let NU right back in that game, they were lucky SU didn't score on her mistakes. She has a lot to learn, if she plays smart, she will be good. Nice win for SU, thought they would have won by a larger margin.



Obviously you're clueless very hard to play a game when you can't feel the shift . Once again A NARP trying to have a conversation about sports ... very hard for skilled kids to play in that kind of weather ...BTW, goalie is exciting you live with the mistakes because she makes incredible plays 9pdkkzto back them up when she takes a chance


If the first poster is a NARP or not, that was a fairly accurate description of what happened, only an appologest could challange those facts, and just so you know before you call me a NARP I was a goalie and so is my daughter. As far as playing in the cold, yes it sucks, and you lose something when you're that cold, but blame the coaches and the NCAA for playing games so early, something needs to be done about that. though the cold does affect both teams equally. With that being said, and as I type this , I am watching NU losing to SB, 6-1 at the half and have to ask what are the NU excuses this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
For those who braved the cold tonight to watch Syracuse-Northwestern--you were treated to a good game. Really a game of two halves with Syracuse winning the first 4-0 and NW winning the second 3-1. Nice crowd too.
cuse goalie kept them in that game. As a freshman, she will have a great career


She had several really bad judgement calls and was very lucky two goals were not scored that should have been. She cradled out through defenders way too far, then plowed over a opposing player for a charge. Many oppurtunities to outlet the ball on way and should never have been that far down the field. Then several other out of the net plays and fouls had her behind shooter on free position shots that somehow the defense saved her butt. She actually single handedly almost let NU right back in that game, they were lucky SU didn't score on her mistakes. She has a lot to learn, if she plays smart, she will be good. Nice win for SU, thought they would have won by a larger margin.



Obviously you're clueless very hard to play a game when you can't feel the shift . Once again A NARP trying to have a conversation about sports ... very hard for skilled kids to play in that kind of weather ...BTW, goalie is exciting you live with the mistakes because she makes incredible plays 9pdkkzto back them up when she takes a chance


If the first poster is a NARP or not, that was a fairly accurate description of what happened, only an appologest could challange those facts, and just so you know before you call me a NARP I was a goalie and so is my daughter. As far as playing in the cold, yes it sucks, and you lose something when you're that cold, but blame the coaches and the NCAA for playing games so early, something needs to be done about that. though the cold does affect both teams equally. With that being said, and as I type this , I am watching NU losing to SB, 6-1 at the half and have to ask what are the NU excuses this year


I don't know what a NARP is. Let me know and I'll tell you if I am!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
how about Villanova??? hot school, close to all lacrosse hot beds, No.1 undergrad business school, Nat Champs in hoops and No.2 this year?? how can they allow this much losing??


I'm a Villanova graduate, active alumni and somewhat involved in the university as a consultant.

It is a great school. If your student has the ability to go there I would make it a top choice. Having said that they do not support much sports beyond track & field and swimming for women. It's obviously a basketball school (though track & field is huge) on the men's side. How about women's' basketball? Not even competitive.

So where does women's lacrosse fall? Pretty far down the list. Facilities are terrible. Practice time is tertiary to many sports. It's just not a lacrosse school (men have had some success) for women.

They just raised money ($22 million from one man alone to put his name on the building) to renovate the on campus field house. Who benefits the most? Basketball and track & field.

But your daughter will get a great education.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
how about Villanova??? hot school, close to all lacrosse hot beds, No.1 undergrad business school, Nat Champs in hoops and No.2 this year?? how can they allow this much losing??


I'm a Villanova graduate, active alumni and somewhat involved in the university as a consultant.

It is a great school. If your student has the ability to go there I would make it a top choice. Having said that they do not support much sports beyond track & field and swimming for women. It's obviously a basketball school (though track & field is huge) on the men's side. How about women's' basketball? Not even competitive.

So where does women's lacrosse fall? Pretty far down the list. Facilities are terrible. Practice time is tertiary to many sports. It's just not a lacrosse school (men have had some success) for women.

They just raised money ($22 million from one man alone to put his name on the building) to renovate the on campus field house. Who benefits the most? Basketball and track & field.

But your daughter will get a great education.



The WLax Program is still not fully funded. Roster is large and coach splits scholarship $$$ relatively equally. (Goalie or Top Recruit may get a little more). Figure $5k-$7k. The University does not pool (stack) scholarships. If you are getting $5-$7k from lax, you get $0 Academic $$$. Lax will steer you away from nursing major.

Villanova costs somewhere in the $60k/year range.

A great education at a hefty price tag. Be forewarned...
IF your daughter is fortunate enough to get a nursing degree from Villanova she pretty mush writes he own ticket at where she would like to start her career. Isn't the career what its all about? But Villanova is just another school steering young women away from challenging majors for the sake of sport
BS is similar...awesome school but no real $$ for any lax player going there...ends up costing bucks to attend either way
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
For those who braved the cold tonight to watch Syracuse-Northwestern--you were treated to a good game. Really a game of two halves with Syracuse winning the first 4-0 and NW winning the second 3-1. Nice crowd too.
cuse goalie kept them in that game. As a freshman, she will have a great career


She had several really bad judgement calls and was very lucky two goals were not scored that should have been. She cradled out through defenders way too far, then plowed over a opposing player for a charge. Many oppurtunities to outlet the ball on way and should never have been that far down the field. Then several other out of the net plays and fouls had her behind shooter on free position shots that somehow the defense saved her butt. She actually single handedly almost let NU right back in that game, they were lucky SU didn't score on her mistakes. She has a lot to learn, if she plays smart, she will be good. Nice win for SU, thought they would have won by a larger margin.



Obviously you're clueless very hard to play a game when you can't feel the shift . Once again A NARP trying to have a conversation about sports ... very hard for skilled kids to play in that kind of weather ...BTW, goalie is exciting you live with the mistakes because she makes incredible plays 9pdkkzto back them up when she takes a chance


If the first poster is a NARP or not, that was a fairly accurate description of what happened, only an appologest could challange those facts, and just so you know before you call me a NARP I was a goalie and so is my daughter. As far as playing in the cold, yes it sucks, and you lose something when you're that cold, but blame the coaches and the NCAA for playing games so early, something needs to be done about that. though the cold does affect both teams equally. With that being said, and as I type this , I am watching NU losing to SB, 6-1 at the half and have to ask what are the NU excuses this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
For those who braved the cold tonight to watch Syracuse-Northwestern--you were treated to a good game. Really a game of two halves with Syracuse winning the first 4-0 and NW winning the second 3-1. Nice crowd too.
cuse goalie kept them in that game. As a freshman, she will have a great career


She had several really bad judgement calls and was very lucky two goals were not scored that should have been. She cradled out through defenders way too far, then plowed over a opposing player for a charge. Many oppurtunities to outlet the ball on way and should never have been that far down the field. Then several other out of the net plays and fouls had her behind shooter on free position shots that somehow the defense saved her butt. She actually single handedly almost let NU right back in that game, they were lucky SU didn't score on her mistakes. She has a lot to learn, if she plays smart, she will be good. Nice win for SU, thought they would have won by a larger margin.



Obviously you're clueless very hard to play a game when you can't feel the shift . Once again A NARP trying to have a conversation about sports ... very hard for skilled kids to play in that kind of weather ...BTW, goalie is exciting you live with the mistakes because she makes incredible plays 9pdkkzto back them up when she takes a chance


If the first poster is a NARP or not, that was a fairly accurate description of what happened, only an appologest could challange those facts, and just so you know before you call me a NARP I was a goalie and so is my daughter. As far as playing in the cold, yes it sucks, and you lose something when you're that cold, but blame the coaches and the NCAA for playing games so early, something needs to be done about that. though the cold does affect both teams equally. With that being said, and as I type this , I am watching NU losing to SB, 6-1 at the half and have to ask what are the NU excuses this year


I don't know what a NARP is. Let me know and I'll tell you if I am!
N on, A thletic, R egular, P erson
Originally Posted by baldbear
IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 6

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 4-0 400 20 1
2 North Carolina 5-1 380 2
3 Florida 3-1 353 3
4 Southern California 3-1 324 4
5 Syracuse 7-0 321 5
6 Penn State 6-0 299 6
7 Stony Brook 4-0 278 8
8 Notre Dame 7-1 268 7
9 Princeton 4-0 235 11
10 Colorado 6-0 207 13
11 Cornell 2-1 204 15
12 Penn 3-1 178 10
13 Duke 4-2 146 9
14 Northwestern 2-4 111 12
15 Towson 3-3 99 16
16 Denver 5-1 95 14
17 Stanford 4-2 74 17
18 James Madison 5-1 65 19
19 Johns Hopkins 5-1 60 18
20 Virginia Tech 7-2. 44. NR
How is NU still in top 20?????
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 6

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 4-0 400 20 1
2 North Carolina 5-1 380 2
3 Florida 3-1 353 3
4 Southern California 3-1 324 4
5 Syracuse 7-0 321 5
6 Penn State 6-0 299 6
7 Stony Brook 4-0 278 8
8 Notre Dame 7-1 268 7
9 Princeton 4-0 235 11
10 Colorado 6-0 207 13
11 Cornell 2-1 204 15
12 Penn 3-1 178 10
13 Duke 4-2 146 9
14 Northwestern 2-4 111 12
15 Towson 3-3 99 16
16 Denver 5-1 95 14
17 Stanford 4-2 74 17
18 James Madison 5-1 65 19
19 Johns Hopkins 5-1 60 18
20 Virginia Tech 7-2. 44. NR
How is NU still in top 20?????


Towson and Northwestern? Va Tech dominates Duke and is seven spots below them? Way too much historic performance in these polls.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
regardless of sport the big schools do not like to lose in anything and neither do the alumni


alumni writing BIG checks might have some influence, but a school looking to fire somebody for poor performance is very rare if not unheard of
yeah great question, what a sham. how is Va Tech only number 20?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 6

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 4-0 400 20 1
2 North Carolina 5-1 380 2
3 Florida 3-1 353 3
4 Southern California 3-1 324 4
5 Syracuse 7-0 321 5
6 Penn State 6-0 299 6
7 Stony Brook 4-0 278 8
8 Notre Dame 7-1 268 7
9 Princeton 4-0 235 11
10 Colorado 6-0 207 13
11 Cornell 2-1 204 15
12 Penn 3-1 178 10
13 Duke 4-2 146 9
14 Northwestern 2-4 111 12
15 Towson 3-3 99 16
16 Denver 5-1 95 14
17 Stanford 4-2 74 17
18 James Madison 5-1 65 19
19 Johns Hopkins 5-1 60 18
20 Virginia Tech 7-2. 44. NR
How is NU still in top 20?????


they can probably still beat the teams behind - TBD...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is that Michigan coach able to survive? I understand she started the program but it has now been several years and team started 0-5 this year.


None of the coaches any where are any hot seats - NOBODY cares about womens lax, if not for title nine it wouldn't even exist. Mens football and hoops are the only jobs that come with expectations - they pay ALL the bills for the athletic dept



Well....another ignorant statement here on BOTC. So lets go to the facts. From the NCAA.... in 2013 in only 20 FBS football schools did the football team generate more money than it spent. In 2014 there were 24 FBS football schools that generated more money than they spent. Most football schools in FBS, FCS, and div 2 and 3 the football program LOST money. The basketball #'s are similar. Wont bore everyone with all the percentages. Sooooo before you talk nonsense at least be somewhat educated with the facts.


So Notre Dame football and basketball doesn't make money? Duke basketball doesn't make money? Ohio state football doesn't make money? USC football doesn't make money? Michigan football and basketball doesn't make money? These are some of the coaches who have been described as being on the "hot seat" due to poor results, so again NOBODY cares and if not for title 9 there wouldn't be women's lax, all the aforementioned programs generate big dollars and subsidize the rest of the athletic programs


We get it you hate women and wish they did not play sports now go crawl back under that rock .If you think that there are no expectations with womens collegiate sports it just shows how ignorant you are.


I think that your'e the one who's ignorant and dillusional. Place some of your misguided importance on womens lax into your kids academics and you will have a far happier more productive daughter going forward. Coming on here and screaming about firing a college coach for subpar performance makes you look silly
I would have laughed at that comment a few years back, but I think you are right.

If you watch a college game some crazy things jump out at you- there are literally like 20 fans in the seats watching. If the game is as great as we all think, why hasn't it been discovered by the viewing public???

The roster??? what in the world do these teams need with 44 girls???? the NFL, the most violent, injury laden game on the planet where players play one way- offense or defense, has 53 guys.. what is the rationale behind 44 girls when 12 are on the field? its bizarre...


I love the sport, and having my kids play all these years has been amazing, but its destined to be a niche, club type feel and nothing beyond that..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 6

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 4-0 400 20 1
2 North Carolina 5-1 380 2
3 Florida 3-1 353 3
4 Southern California 3-1 324 4
5 Syracuse 7-0 321 5
6 Penn State 6-0 299 6
7 Stony Brook 4-0 278 8
8 Notre Dame 7-1 268 7
9 Princeton 4-0 235 11
10 Colorado 6-0 207 13
11 Cornell 2-1 204 15
12 Penn 3-1 178 10
13 Duke 4-2 146 9
14 Northwestern 2-4 111 12
15 Towson 3-3 99 16
16 Denver 5-1 95 14
17 Stanford 4-2 74 17
18 James Madison 5-1 65 19
19 Johns Hopkins 5-1 60 18
20 Virginia Tech 7-2. 44. NR
How is NU still in top 20?????


My guess is that you never played a competitive sport in your life.

Northwestern just played 5 games in 28 days all on the road against 5 current Top 10 teams the last game was played on one day of rest.

Stony Brook was playing on 12 days of rest and they have not played a single top 10 team. Maybe that is why they are not prepared come Tournament time.


I'm happy to know I'm not a NARP...not that there's anything wrong with that...
Yes we can comfortably say the "rest" issue easily gave SB an extra goal or 2 so NU lost by 8. Happy NU dad?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 6

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 4-0 400 20 1
2 North Carolina 5-1 380 2
3 Florida 3-1 353 3
4 Southern California 3-1 324 4
5 Syracuse 7-0 321 5
6 Penn State 6-0 299 6
7 Stony Brook 4-0 278 8
8 Notre Dame 7-1 268 7
9 Princeton 4-0 235 11
10 Colorado 6-0 207 13
11 Cornell 2-1 204 15
12 Penn 3-1 178 10
13 Duke 4-2 146 9
14 Northwestern 2-4 111 12
15 Towson 3-3 99 16
16 Denver 5-1 95 14
17 Stanford 4-2 74 17
18 James Madison 5-1 65 19
19 Johns Hopkins 5-1 60 18
20 Virginia Tech 7-2. 44. NR
How is NU still in top 20?????


My guess is that you never played a competitive sport in your life.

Northwestern just played 5 games in 28 days all on the road against 5 current Top 10 teams the last game was played on one day of rest.

Stony Brook was playing on 12 days of rest and they have not played a single top 10 team. Maybe that is why they are not prepared come Tournament time.


For the last few years the NU fans have the same lame excuses. NU sets it's own schedule, it's not like teams don't want to play NU and could stay home and have teams come to them, but the coaching staff chooses to travel early in the season playing a schedule that is obviously too difficult for them. If SB hasn't played in 12 days and Spallina is smarter than Hiller and was better rested and prepared to play and handed an absolute whooping on your team than that's on Hiller.
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Originally Posted by baldbear
IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 6

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 4-0 400 20 1
2 North Carolina 5-1 380 2
3 Florida 3-1 353 3
4 Southern California 3-1 324 4
5 Syracuse 7-0 321 5
6 Penn State 6-0 299 6
7 Stony Brook 4-0 278 8
8 Notre Dame 7-1 268 7
9 Princeton 4-0 235 11
10 Colorado 6-0 207 13
11 Cornell 2-1 204 15
12 Penn 3-1 178 10
13 Duke 4-2 146 9
14 Northwestern 2-4 111 12
15 Towson 3-3 99 16
16 Denver 5-1 95 14
17 Stanford 4-2 74 17
18 James Madison 5-1 65 19
19 Johns Hopkins 5-1 60 18
20 Virginia Tech 7-2. 44. NR
How is NU still in top 20?????


My guess is that you never played a competitive sport in your life.

Northwestern just played 5 games in 28 days all on the road against 5 current Top 10 teams the last game was played on one day of rest.

Stony Brook was playing on 12 days of rest and they have not played a single top 10 team. Maybe that is why they are not prepared come Tournament time.


For the last few years the NU fans have the same lame excuses. NU sets it's own schedule, it's not like teams don't want to play NU and could stay home and have teams come to them, but the coaching staff chooses to travel early in the season playing a schedule that is obviously too difficult for them. If SB hasn't played in 12 days and Spallina is smarter than Hiller and was better rested and prepared to play and handed an absolute whooping on your team than that's on Hiller.


I would say the NU players will be better prepared for life as well as the playoffs. Having the courage to challenge yourself and fight through adversity and difficult times is what athletics and life are all about. Nobody will remember who beat who on a cold march day but the strength that will be developed by the young women who challenge themselves will serve them well for the rest of their lives.

I bet you are one of the posters who caution others about going to a powerhouse lacrosse program or highly competitive university. Don't go to North Carolina or Maryland there are too many players on the roster. Don't go to Princeton or Harvard you might fail out. Stay away from Northwestern, they own you, to much pressure. Etc.. Etc... much better to "Go to a place where you can thrive". You will forever be the King or Queen of Mediocracy.

I am not an NU Dad and my children are not committed to Northwestern. However, I am very impressed with The University, The Program, The Coaches, and The Players (past, present and future). Collectively they have all earned my respect. So pound your chest about a meaningless win and keep telling yourself that it actually matters.


NU always gets a seat in the playoffs so the record really means nothing
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Originally Posted by baldbear
IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 6

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 4-0 400 20 1
2 North Carolina 5-1 380 2
3 Florida 3-1 353 3
4 Southern California 3-1 324 4
5 Syracuse 7-0 321 5
6 Penn State 6-0 299 6
7 Stony Brook 4-0 278 8
8 Notre Dame 7-1 268 7
9 Princeton 4-0 235 11
10 Colorado 6-0 207 13
11 Cornell 2-1 204 15
12 Penn 3-1 178 10
13 Duke 4-2 146 9
14 Northwestern 2-4 111 12
15 Towson 3-3 99 16
16 Denver 5-1 95 14
17 Stanford 4-2 74 17
18 James Madison 5-1 65 19
19 Johns Hopkins 5-1 60 18
20 Virginia Tech 7-2. 44. NR
How is NU still in top 20?????


My guess is that you never played a competitive sport in your life.

Northwestern just played 5 games in 28 days all on the road against 5 current Top 10 teams the last game was played on one day of rest.

Stony Brook was playing on 12 days of rest and they have not played a single top 10 team. Maybe that is why they are not prepared come Tournament time.


For the last few years the NU fans have the same lame excuses. NU sets it's own schedule, it's not like teams don't want to play NU and could stay home and have teams come to them, but the coaching staff chooses to travel early in the season playing a schedule that is obviously too difficult for them. If SB hasn't played in 12 days and Spallina is smarter than Hiller and was better rested and prepared to play and handed an absolute whooping on your team than that's on Hiller.


I would say the NU players will be better prepared for life as well as the playoffs. Having the courage to challenge yourself and fight through adversity and difficult times is what athletics and life are all about. Nobody will remember who beat who on a cold march day but the strength that will be developed by the young women who challenge themselves will serve them well for the rest of their lives.

I bet you are one of the posters who caution others about going to a powerhouse lacrosse program or highly competitive university. Don't go to North Carolina or Maryland there are too many players on the roster. Don't go to Princeton or Harvard you might fail out. Stay away from Northwestern, they own you, to much pressure. Etc.. Etc... much better to "Go to a place where you can thrive". You will forever be the King or Queen of Mediocracy.

I am not an NU Dad and my children are not committed to Northwestern. However, I am very impressed with The University, The Program, The Coaches, and The Players (past, present and future). Collectively they have all earned my respect. So pound your chest about a meaningless win and keep telling yourself that it actually matters.


You should be an Obama spin doctor. The Girls will be better because they got a beat down while claiming to be the best and blaiming everything from the weater, to the schedule the coach set for them, but thats ok because they used to be good so we'll screw an up and comming team later because Hiller has connections from an over priced school, where TA's are teaching my daughter, in the murder capital of the country.
Yeah. I would not more send my daughter to Chicago than I would Beirut or Tehran. Very sad. A once great city and a once great team..
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Yeah. I would not more send my daughter to Chicago than I would Beirut or Tehran. Very sad. A once great city and a once great team..


Now that Pres. Obama has some time on his hands, he should go back to his home town of Chicago and do some more community organizing. Clearly, they need it.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 6

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 4-0 400 20 1
2 North Carolina 5-1 380 2
3 Florida 3-1 353 3
4 Southern California 3-1 324 4
5 Syracuse 7-0 321 5
6 Penn State 6-0 299 6
7 Stony Brook 4-0 278 8
8 Notre Dame 7-1 268 7
9 Princeton 4-0 235 11
10 Colorado 6-0 207 13
11 Cornell 2-1 204 15
12 Penn 3-1 178 10
13 Duke 4-2 146 9
14 Northwestern 2-4 111 12
15 Towson 3-3 99 16
16 Denver 5-1 95 14
17 Stanford 4-2 74 17
18 James Madison 5-1 65 19
19 Johns Hopkins 5-1 60 18
20 Virginia Tech 7-2. 44. NR
How is NU still in top 20?????


My guess is that you never played a competitive sport in your life.

Northwestern just played 5 games in 28 days all on the road against 5 current Top 10 teams the last game was played on one day of rest.

Stony Brook was playing on 12 days of rest and they have not played a single top 10 team. Maybe that is why they are not prepared come Tournament time.


For the last few years the NU fans have the same lame excuses. NU sets it's own schedule, it's not like teams don't want to play NU and could stay home and have teams come to them, but the coaching staff chooses to travel early in the season playing a schedule that is obviously too difficult for them. If SB hasn't played in 12 days and Spallina is smarter than Hiller and was better rested and prepared to play and handed an absolute whooping on your team than that's on Hiller.


I would say the NU players will be better prepared for life as well as the playoffs. Having the courage to challenge yourself and fight through adversity and difficult times is what athletics and life are all about. Nobody will remember who beat who on a cold march day but the strength that will be developed by the young women who challenge themselves will serve them well for the rest of their lives.

I bet you are one of the posters who caution others about going to a powerhouse lacrosse program or highly competitive university. Don't go to North Carolina or Maryland there are too many players on the roster. Don't go to Princeton or Harvard you might fail out. Stay away from Northwestern, they own you, to much pressure. Etc.. Etc... much better to "Go to a place where you can thrive". You will forever be the King or Queen of Mediocracy.

I am not an NU Dad and my children are not committed to Northwestern. However, I am very impressed with The University, The Program, The Coaches, and The Players (past, present and future). Collectively they have all earned my respect. So pound your chest about a meaningless win and keep telling yourself that it actually matters.


You should be an Obama spin doctor. The Girls will be better because they got a beat down while claiming to be the best and blaiming everything from the weater, to the schedule the coach set for them, but thats ok because they used to be good so we'll screw an up and comming team later because Hiller has connections from an over priced school, where TA's are teaching my daughter, in the murder capital of the country.


Spin Doctor? Really?

Reading comprehension must not be one of your stronger competencies. No excuses, no blame to be placed, Stony Brook won the game.

The original question was: "How is NU still in the Top 20?". The answer to the question was factual, there were no excuses it was an explanation of why some pollsters may have ranked Northwestern in the Top 20.

The reference to Stony Brook was also factual. SBU was playing on significant rest and had not played a single Top 10 team. The pollsters consider all when ranking teams. It is not unreasonable to say that Stony Brook has been ill prepared for the post season based on their actual results as opposed to their ranking during the season.

All schedules are not created equal and factors such as travel, rest, and how rigorous the competition is all contribute to results as well as rankings. Pollsters do not simply look at Wins and losses.

It is quite possible that a season that does not challenge the players may result in a soft team come Tournament time.

Attempts to tear down a great university, a great program and a great coach will not elevate your daughters school, program or coach.

Is it an inferiority complex or is it resentment and jealousy that causes such animosity and distain?

One thing I agree with you on is that because of strong conferences Mid major schools are at a disadvantage. Feel like the top top schools play anyone but 7-20 are selective. I think schools like Towson Stoney brook JMU Albany etc would play tougher schedules if they could.
as Parcells used to say. 'you are what your record says you are' ..paraphrasing. NU is a losing team, nothing more. any fond memories you, or the "pollsters" you seem to know so much about, have about winning teams of the past playing the ugliest lacrosse imaginable (i.e. the new stall rule) are just memories, nothing more.

if you think they will magically turn it around for whatever reason- the schedule, the travel, that NU mystique- then good luck. right now it's just a losing team. don't hang your hat on the polls. nobody is impressed or intimidated anymore by that.

maybe its just karma coming around. how many times did we have to watch NU stalling the last 6-7 minutes of a game sitting on a one goal lead? how much did that set back the game of Lacrosse? think that brought any news fans to the game?
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[quote=baldbear]IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 6
How is NU still in top 20?????


My guess is that you never played a competitive sport in your life.

Northwestern just played 5 games in 28 days all on the road against 5 current Top 10 teams the last game was played on one day of rest.

Stony Brook was playing on 12 days of rest and they have not played a single top 10 team. Maybe that is why they are not prepared come Tournament time.


For the last few years the NU fans have the same lame excuses. NU sets it's own schedule, it's not like teams don't want to play NU and could stay home and have teams come to them, but the coaching staff chooses to travel early in the season playing a schedule that is obviously too difficult for them. If SB hasn't played in 12 days and Spallina is smarter than Hiller and was better rested and prepared to play and handed an absolute whooping on your team than that's on Hiller.


I would say the NU players will be better prepared for life as well as the playoffs. Having the courage to challenge yourself and fight through adversity and difficult times is what athletics and life are all about. Nobody will remember who beat who on a cold march day but the strength that will be developed by the young women who challenge themselves will serve them well for the rest of their lives.

I bet you are one of the posters who caution others about going to a powerhouse lacrosse program or highly competitive university. Don't go to North Carolina or Maryland there are too many players on the roster. Don't go to Princeton or Harvard you might fail out. Stay away from Northwestern, they own you, to much pressure. Etc.. Etc... much better to "Go to a place where you can thrive". You will forever be the King or Queen of Mediocracy.

I am not an NU Dad and my children are not committed to Northwestern. However, I am very impressed with The University, The Program, The Coaches, and The Players (past, present and future). Collectively they have all earned my respect. So pound your chest about a meaningless win and keep telling yourself that it actually matters.


You should be an Obama spin doctor. The Girls will be better because they got a beat down while claiming to be the best and blaiming everything from the weater, to the schedule the coach set for them, but thats ok because they used to be good so we'll screw an up and comming team later because Hiller has connections from an over priced school, where TA's are teaching my daughter, in the murder capital of the country.


Spin Doctor? Really?

Reading comprehension must not be one of your stronger competencies. No excuses, no blame to be placed, Stony Brook won the game.

The original question was: "How is NU still in the Top 20?". The answer to the question was factual, there were no excuses it was an explanation of why some pollsters may have ranked Northwestern in the Top 20.

The reference to Stony Brook was also factual. SBU was playing on significant rest and had not played a single Top 10 team. The pollsters consider all when ranking teams. It is not unreasonable to say that Stony Brook has been ill prepared for the post season based on their actual results as opposed to their ranking during the season.

All schedules are not created equal and factors such as travel, rest, and how rigorous the competition is all contribute to results as well as rankings. Pollsters do not simply look at Wins and losses.

It is quite possible that a season that does not challenge the players may result in a soft team come Tournament time.

Attempts to tear down a great university, a great program and a great coach will not elevate your daughters school, program or coach.

Is it an inferiority complex or is it resentment and jealousy that causes such animosity and distain?



To be fair, Northwestern had only played one other game in the last 14 days before Stony Brook. They had plenty of rest. As for the rest of it, they play a ridiculous schedule, almost a full Big 10 and ACC tilt. At some point you need to win and not just play the hard games. I think the point is several years ago they played the same type of schedule and won the games.
I know exactly where my daughters team falls in the bigger scheme, do you? Spin doctor you ask, and I answer yes, your spinning a losing record into some type of positive because they play tough teams and lose. If my daughters team played the same schedule they would also lose, does that mean they should be ranked in the top 20 also? Now tell me they only lost by a goal or two, like somehow that matters, they still lost. To say they stay ranked in the top 20 because they used to win is comical, it's like saying St Johns basketball should be a top 20 team because they used to be good. And now just to be a [lacrosse], your daughter is contributing to the NU slide to mediocrity, but I bet she was a top recruit that now can't win and was probably over hyped
Winning is a learned trait. There are winners, and losers. 2-4 puts you on the right side of the sentence.
Maryland went nine years after their dynasty to be relevant again. Northwestern is now going through the same thing after their run. Nothing lasts forever. All schools would kill to have their success. That being said, they are ranked because of reputation alone. 2-4 is 2-4 no matter who you lose to and by how much. If they continue to lose they will drop out and this conversation will finally end.
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Maryland went nine years after their dynasty to be relevant again. Northwestern is now going through the same thing after their run. Nothing lasts forever. All schools would kill to have their success. That being said, they are ranked because of reputation alone. 2-4 is 2-4 no matter who you lose to and by how much. If they continue to lose they will drop out and this conversation will finally end.


We can only hope.
Why do the Stony Brook touts get so excited about beating a weak team?
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Why do the Stony Brook touts get so excited about beating a weak team?


Northwestern beat another top 10 in Notre Dame and lost in OT to #4 USC. Then lost another close one to Syracuse. Perhaps an unlucky team not a weak team.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do the Stony Brook touts get so excited about beating a weak team?


Northwestern beat another top 10 in Notre Dame and lost in OT to #4 USC. Then lost another close one to Syracuse. Perhaps an unlucky team not a weak team.


2-4
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Why do the Stony Brook touts get so excited about beating a weak team?



Will Stony Brook get their asses handed to them by Florida today? Will be interesting. Test day
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do the Stony Brook touts get so excited about beating a weak team?


Northwestern beat another top 10 in Notre Dame and lost in OT to #4 USC. Then lost another close one to Syracuse. Perhaps an unlucky team not a weak team.
Isn't this exactly what I said they would say
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Why do the Stony Brook touts get so excited about beating a weak team?



Will Stony Brook get their asses handed to them by Florida today? Will be interesting. Test day




Yes. They can't hang with the Gators.
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Why do the Stony Brook touts get so excited about beating a weak team?



Will Stony Brook get their asses handed to them by Florida today? Will be interesting. Test day

Think it'll be tough for them down there today as it should be. Weather change is pretty severe lol. I personally think Florida UNC and Maryland are a cur above everyone else 14-8 Florida
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Why do the Stony Brook touts get so excited about beating a weak team?


Northwestern beat another top 10 in Notre Dame and lost in OT to #4 USC. Then lost another close one to Syracuse. Perhaps an unlucky team not a weak team.
Isn't this exactly what I said they would say


Northwestern also lost to # 8 Colorado in OT. So, they have played 5 Top 10 teams and they are 1 - 4. Three of the four games were lost by a total of 4 goals.

They played all 5 games in the span of 28 days, lost two games to to # 8 & # 6 in OT and another game by a 2 goals to the # 4 Team in the country. They then played another Top 10 team on one day of rest.

I would say that they are ranked about where they should be.

Why do the parents of non Northwestern student athletes care so much about a team that they think sucks? Why do they pound their chest about winning a game vs a team that they say is not very good? Why do they look diminish the quality of a University that is so highly regarded? Why do they root against a university and a program that they would never consider sending their daughter to? I could be wrong but I think I have even read some negative posts about the Northwestern Coach. If you would not consider sending your daughter there (if it were an opportunity) why do you care about Northwestern?

NW stands for Not Winners.
Blow out alert on Stony Brook
Way to go Gators!!!!
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NW stands for Not Winners.


Why did you even bother getting out of bed today?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do the Stony Brook touts get so excited about beating a weak team?


Northwestern beat another top 10 in Notre Dame and lost in OT to #4 USC. Then lost another close one to Syracuse. Perhaps an unlucky team not a weak team.
Isn't this exactly what I said they would say


Northwestern also lost to # 8 Colorado in OT. So, they have played 5 Top 10 teams and they are 1 - 4. Three of the four games were lost by a total of 4 goals.

They played all 5 games in the span of 28 days, lost two games to to # 8 & # 6 in OT and another game by a 2 goals to the # 4 Team in the country. They then played another Top 10 team on one day of rest.

I would say that they are ranked about where they should be.

Why do the parents of non Northwestern student athletes care so much about a team that they think sucks? Why do they pound their chest about winning a game vs a team that they say is not very good? Why do they look diminish the quality of a University that is so highly regarded? Why do they root against a university and a program that they would never consider sending their daughter to? I could be wrong but I think I have even read some negative posts about the Northwestern Coach. If you would not consider sending your daughter there (if it were an opportunity) why do you care about Northwestern?



Pls stop the whining, you have a problem with a game every 5.3 days? how much rest do you need? You might want to update the post, ND going to be out of the top 10, sorry.
Someone was waaay overrated!! A sea wolf is no match for a gator with a great coach! What even is a sea wolf?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do the Stony Brook touts get so excited about beating a weak team?


Northwestern beat another top 10 in Notre Dame and lost in OT to #4 USC. Then lost another close one to Syracuse. Perhaps an unlucky team not a weak team.
Isn't this exactly what I said they would say


Northwestern also lost to # 8 Colorado in OT. So, they have played 5 Top 10 teams and they are 1 - 4. Three of the four games were lost by a total of 4 goals.

They played all 5 games in the span of 28 days, lost two games to to # 8 & # 6 in OT and another game by a 2 goals to the # 4 Team in the country. They then played another Top 10 team on one day of rest.

I would say that they are ranked about where they should be.

Why do the parents of non Northwestern student athletes care so much about a team that they think sucks? Why do they pound their chest about winning a game vs a team that they say is not very good? Why do they look diminish the quality of a University that is so highly regarded? Why do they root against a university and a program that they would never consider sending their daughter to? I could be wrong but I think I have even read some negative posts about the Northwestern Coach. If you would not consider sending your daughter there (if it were an opportunity) why do you care about Northwestern?



Pls stop the whining, you have a problem with a game every 5.3 days? how much rest do you need? You might want to update the post, ND going to be out of the top 10, sorry.


Not whining at all and certainly no problem with the travel or the competitive schedule. Simple pointing out some facts and giving some insight as to why Northwestern was still ranked on the Top 20 despite having a 2-4 record.

As stated in the above post, Northwestern is ranked about where they should be.
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Someone was waaay overrated!! A sea wolf is no match for a gator with a great coach! What even is a sea wolf?


YJ alumni game, 14 starters across both teams, YJ South won easily...
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Someone was waaay overrated!! A sea wolf is no match for a gator with a great coach! What even is a sea wolf?


YJ alumni game, 14 starters across both teams, YJ South won easily...


Those YJ alum are no match for the MD alum which is why neither of those teams will make it to championship weekend. Although will agree that SB was out coached which was part of the problem.
Those Terps look as strong as ever !!
Very surprised Maryland beat Syracuse by 10 goals!! Thought they would win but the margin was surprising. Cathy Reese has Gaits number I would say
Syracuse has had some scares the last couple of games
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Syracuse has had some scares the last couple of games


Because they are not one of Syracuse's better teams compared to years past teams
Why does the female Tewaaraton Award almost always go to someone from the National Championship team (11 of 14 years). By definition it is suppose to go to the "most outstanding player". On the boys side they seem more open to recognizing the best player.
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Why does the female Tewaaraton Award almost always go to someone from the National Championship team (11 of 14 years). By definition it is suppose to go to the "most outstanding player". On the boys side they seem more open to recognizing the best player.



Why are D2 players not recognized or considered?
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Why does the female Tewaaraton Award almost always go to someone from the National Championship team (11 of 14 years). By definition it is suppose to go to the "most outstanding player". On the boys side they seem more open to recognizing the best player.



Why are D2 players not recognized or considered?


Stop wasting everyones time with this nonsense.
There should be a separate award for D2 player of the year
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Someone was waaay overrated!! A sea wolf is no match for a gator with a great coach! What even is a sea wolf?


YJ alumni game, 14 starters across both teams, YJ South won easily...


Gators coach will always find a way to lose when it matters - she's clueless
The most over rated team in D1 should take a large tumble in the polls this week. Penn State got smoked in second half by Colorado.(unranked). PSU had some surprise in them in the tournament last year which propelled them to rankings at the beginning of this year. Surprised by the Cuse game, thought they would have showed better. Md very strong and looking great, but they looked that way last year too, until the final game. Stony Brook looked over matched as well. I know they lost one of the best offense players in the country, but it was their defense that looked lost. Fl legit.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Someone was waaay overrated!! A sea wolf is no match for a gator with a great coach! What even is a sea wolf?


YJ alumni game, 14 starters across both teams, YJ South won easily...


Gators coach will always find a way to lose when it matters - she's clueless
And the Sea Wolf coach has done better in the tourney?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Someone was waaay overrated!! A sea wolf is no match for a gator with a great coach! What even is a sea wolf?


YJ alumni game, 14 starters across both teams, YJ South won easily...


Gators coach will always find a way to lose when it matters - she's clueless
And the Sea Wolf coach has done better in the tourney?


Gators have had al the horses for many years and she chokes away every big game they play
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The most over rated team in D1 should take a large tumble in the polls this week. Penn State got smoked in second half by Colorado.(unranked). PSU had some surprise in them in the tournament last year which propelled them to rankings at the beginning of this year. Surprised by the Cuse game, thought they would have showed better. Md very strong and looking great, but they looked that way last year too, until the final game. Stony Brook looked over matched as well. I know they lost one of the best offense players in the country, but it was their defense that looked lost. Fl legit.


UNC, MD & FL and then it doesn't matter this year, just a question of who will be the fourth team on championship weekend, but it will be won by one of those three teams
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Why does the female Tewaaraton Award almost always go to someone from the National Championship team (11 of 14 years). By definition it is suppose to go to the "most outstanding player". On the boys side they seem more open to recognizing the best player.



The award will go to a girl that isn't on a national.championship team. The girl from BC is going to win as a sophomore. Only played 9 games last year before she tore her ACL. She's only getting better with every game she plays.
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The most over rated team in D1 should take a large tumble in the polls this week. Penn State got smoked in second half by Colorado.(unranked). PSU had some surprise in them in the tournament last year which propelled them to rankings at the beginning of this year. Surprised by the Cuse game, thought they would have showed better. Md very strong and looking great, but they looked that way last year too, until the final game. Stony Brook looked over matched as well. I know they lost one of the best offense players in the country, but it was their defense that looked lost. Fl legit.


Colorado actually is ranked. They had what was an impressive win at the time over Northwestern, but that looks less impressive now with the direction NU is going. This is another nice win for them over PSU.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why does the female Tewaaraton Award almost always go to someone from the National Championship team (11 of 14 years). By definition it is suppose to go to the "most outstanding player". On the boys side they seem more open to recognizing the best player.



The award will go to a girl that isn't on a national.championship team. The girl from BC is going to win as a sophomore. Only played 9 games last year before she tore her ACL. She's only getting better with every game she plays.


Zero percent chance she wins it . The winner will be from either MD or UNC , BC team as a whole not very good .
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why does the female Tewaaraton Award almost always go to someone from the National Championship team (11 of 14 years). By definition it is suppose to go to the "most outstanding player". On the boys side they seem more open to recognizing the best player.



The award will go to a girl that isn't on a national.championship team. The girl from BC is going to win as a sophomore. Only played 9 games last year before she tore her ACL. She's only getting better with every game she plays.


The Top Gun girl?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why does the female Tewaaraton Award almost always go to someone from the National Championship team (11 of 14 years). By definition it is suppose to go to the "most outstanding player". On the boys side they seem more open to recognizing the best player.



The award will go to a girl that isn't on a national.championship team. The girl from BC is going to win as a sophomore. Only played 9 games last year before she tore her ACL. She's only getting better with every game she plays.


Zero percent chance she wins it . The winner will be from either MD or UNC , BC team as a whole not very good .


Thanks BC mom, not that good, will be destroyed by the real teams.
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Why does the female Tewaaraton Award almost always go to someone from the National Championship team (11 of 14 years). By definition it is suppose to go to the "most outstanding player". On the boys side they seem more open to recognizing the best player.



The award will go to a girl that isn't on a national.championship team. The girl from BC is going to win as a sophomore. Only played 9 games last year before she tore her ACL. She's only getting better with every game she plays.


The Top Gun girl?


It doesn't matter what club she played for. She's a great player
[quote=Anonymous]There should be a separate award for D2 player of the year

Agreed-and I have a kid in each division
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The most over rated team in D1 should take a large tumble in the polls this week. Penn State got smoked in second half by Colorado.(unranked). PSU had some surprise in them in the tournament last year which propelled them to rankings at the beginning of this year. Surprised by the Cuse game, thought they would have showed better. Md very strong and looking great, but they looked that way last year too, until the final game. Stony Brook looked over matched as well. I know they lost one of the best offense players in the country, but it was their defense that looked lost. Fl legit.


UNC, MD & FL and then it doesn't matter this year, just a question of who will be the fourth team on championship weekend, but it will be won by one of those three teams


It's going to be USC.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why does the female Tewaaraton Award almost always go to someone from the National Championship team (11 of 14 years). By definition it is suppose to go to the "most outstanding player". On the boys side they seem more open to recognizing the best player.



The award will go to a girl that isn't on a national.championship team. The girl from BC is going to win as a sophomore. Only played 9 games last year before she tore her ACL. She's only getting better with every game she plays.


Zero percent chance she wins it . The winner will be from either MD or UNC , BC team as a whole not very good .


Thanks BC mom, not that good, will be destroyed by the real teams.



4 goals and 2 assists against Maryland. Try again
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why does the female Tewaaraton Award almost always go to someone from the National Championship team (11 of 14 years). By definition it is suppose to go to the "most outstanding player". On the boys side they seem more open to recognizing the best player.



The award will go to a girl that isn't on a national.championship team. The girl from BC is going to win as a sophomore. Only played 9 games last year before she tore her ACL. She's only getting better with every game she plays.


Zero percent chance she wins it . The winner will be from either MD or UNC , BC team as a whole not very good .


Thanks BC mom, not that good, will be destroyed by the real teams.



4 goals and 2 assists against Maryland. Try again



Stop mommy you're embarrassing yourself! Plenty of girls score 4 goals a game. Oh, and if the team didn't win, nobody cares!
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The most over rated team in D1 should take a large tumble in the polls this week. Penn State got smoked in second half by Colorado.(unranked). PSU had some surprise in them in the tournament last year which propelled them to rankings at the beginning of this year. Surprised by the Cuse game, thought they would have showed better. Md very strong and looking great, but they looked that way last year too, until the final game. Stony Brook looked over matched as well. I know they lost one of the best offense players in the country, but it was their defense that looked lost. Fl legit.


Colorado was ranked 8th before the game and they will move up after yesterday's win.

Penn State is a very good team, luck doesn't get you to the final four and within one goal of beating the eventual National Champions.

Why surprised by Syracuse Vs Maryland game? Syracuse is a very good team but they were coming of a tough weekend where they played a freezing cold game on the road, got back on the bus then played a tough game on one day of rest. Not sure if they drove or flew to Maryland but either way wear and tear will take a toll on the players. Syracuse will be just fine. I commend them for challenging themselves with a brutal schedule. Maryland and Florida both on the road with one rest day.

Maryland is great.

Stony Brook was over matched. Every team has to deal with injuries.

Florida is very good and will be fighting it out to make it to the Final Four. Easy April schedule, not sure if will help or hurt come May.




Great another club mommy touting a 6 point performance. ITS NOT ABOUT YOU! Its about the team. You are the reason people hate our game. You people make it so hard on the rest of us.

Team game.Team game. Team game!
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The most over rated team in D1 should take a large tumble in the polls this week. Penn State got smoked in second half by Colorado.(unranked). PSU had some surprise in them in the tournament last year which propelled them to rankings at the beginning of this year. Surprised by the Cuse game, thought they would have showed better. Md very strong and looking great, but they looked that way last year too, until the final game. Stony Brook looked over matched as well. I know they lost one of the best offense players in the country, but it was their defense that looked lost. Fl legit.


UNC, MD & FL and then it doesn't matter this year, just a question of who will be the fourth team on championship weekend, but it will be won by one of those three teams


It's going to be USC.


If that happens it's purely political , put that kid on UNC , Fl, MD and she is not even a starter .Take the kid from Stony Brook , she has a chance and would highly regarded no matter who she plays for in my opinion. Look at UNC and tell me which starter the USC player replaces .
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The most over rated team in D1 should take a large tumble in the polls this week. Penn State got smoked in second half by Colorado.(unranked). PSU had some surprise in them in the tournament last year which propelled them to rankings at the beginning of this year. Surprised by the Cuse game, thought they would have showed better. Md very strong and looking great, but they looked that way last year too, until the final game. Stony Brook looked over matched as well. I know they lost one of the best offense players in the country, but it was their defense that looked lost. Fl legit.


UNC, MD & FL and then it doesn't matter this year, just a question of who will be the fourth team on championship weekend, but it will be won by one of those three teams


It's going to be USC.


If that happens it's purely political , put that kid on UNC , Fl, MD and she is not even a starter .Take the kid from Stony Brook , she has a chance and would highly regarded no matter who she plays for in my opinion. Look at UNC and tell me which starter the USC player replaces .


You are so wrapped-up in trying to bash this player you did not even bother to read this was about USC being the other semifinalist and not about the award.
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Great another club mommy touting a 6 point performance. ITS NOT ABOUT YOU! Its about the team. You are the reason people hate our game. You people make it so hard on the rest of us.

Team game.Team game. Team game!



The Tewaaraton award is for most outstanding player not team. I am referencing her 6 pt game because another post said she would get destroyed against the good teams. She has 11 pts against Syracuse and Maryland this season. She leads the country in assists, so she is playing a team game. If the issue is because she's from top guns than deal with it.
UNC, MARYLAND, CUSE PLAYERS ARE ON THE FIELD LESS THAN OTHER KIDS......THEIR NUMBERS WONT COMPARE BUT ARE EQUAL OR BETTER PLAYERS THAN MOST POINT LEADERS..NUMBERS ARE A SMALL PIECE OF PUZZLE
Tewaaraton Award is an individual award that is suppose to go to the best player regardless of team - period. The boys seem to get that but on the girls side too much politics and too much emphasis on what team they play for. Last five winners on the boys side came from teams that did not win the National Championship and that includes a player from Brown and Colgate.
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Tewaaraton Award is an individual award that is suppose to go to the best player regardless of team - period. The boys seem to get that but on the girls side too much politics and too much emphasis on what team they play for. Last five winners on the boys side came from teams that did not win the National Championship and that includes a player from Brown and Colgate.


Are you saying Cummings wasn't the best player in the country the last three years?
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Tewaaraton Award is an individual award that is suppose to go to the best player regardless of team - period. The boys seem to get that but on the girls side too much politics and too much emphasis on what team they play for. Last five winners on the boys side came from teams that did not win the National Championship and that includes a player from Brown and Colgate.


And Albany...
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Tewaaraton Award is an individual award that is suppose to go to the best player regardless of team - period. The boys seem to get that but on the girls side too much politics and too much emphasis on what team they play for. Last five winners on the boys side came from teams that did not win the National Championship and that includes a player from Brown and Colgate.


Are you saying Cummings wasn't the best player in the country the last three years?


She is way overrated
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Tewaaraton Award is an individual award that is suppose to go to the best player regardless of team - period. The boys seem to get that but on the girls side too much politics and too much emphasis on what team they play for. Last five winners on the boys side came from teams that did not win the National Championship and that includes a player from Brown and Colgate.


And Albany...


Just curious, who do you think should have won it the last five years for the girls?
In the past 16 years, only twice has the award been given to a player that didn't make it to the finals(2011,2004). Only once has a defender been the recipient (2003). Maryland and northwestern have dominated this award for 10 straight years. Deck is stacked against girls not being on great teams. This might change this year with no real stand out player on Maryland or UNC. Both teams very balanced
Kayla Treanor was the best and most dominat player I saw play in the past 5 years. Every team game planned to stop her yet she dominated. She even broke the single season draw record her senior year doing it for the first time. Cummings is an excellent all round player and played middie which is a factor, but teams rarely face-guarded her. Teams would face guard other players on MD. Treanor was face guarded and doubled every game. She deserved to win the award at least once in my opinion.
Whittle is pretty standout for Maryland
BC in a week gains one of the best attackers in the game, Apuzzo's numbers will only go up as the team's offense gets stronger. They will be much better in a week. And no im not this person parent nor a BC parent, i just have an opinion. She has 51 points through 9 games, most in the country
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why does the female Tewaaraton Award almost always go to someone from the National Championship team (11 of 14 years). By definition it is suppose to go to the "most outstanding player". On the boys side they seem more open to recognizing the best player.



The award will go to a girl that isn't on a national.championship team. The girl from BC is going to win as a sophomore. Only played 9 games last year before she tore her ACL. She's only getting better with every game she plays.


Zero percent chance she wins it . The winner will be from either MD or UNC , BC team as a whole not very good .


Thanks BC mom, not that good, will be destroyed by the real teams.





4 goals and 2 assists against Maryland. Try again


What were Whittles stats in that game???
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BC in a week gains one of the best attackers in the game, Apuzzo's numbers will only go up as the team's offense gets stronger. They will be much better in a week. And no im not this person parent nor a BC parent, i just have an opinion. She has 51 points through 9 games, most in the country


That's because the team sucks and has no other options
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Why does the female Tewaaraton Award almost always go to someone from the National Championship team (11 of 14 years). By definition it is suppose to go to the "most outstanding player". On the boys side they seem more open to recognizing the best player.



The award will go to a girl that isn't on a national.championship team. The girl from BC is going to win as a sophomore. Only played 9 games last year before she tore her ACL. She's only getting better with every game she plays.


Zero percent chance she wins it . The winner will be from either MD or UNC , BC team as a whole not very good .


Thanks BC mom, not that good, will be destroyed by the real teams.





4 goals and 2 assists against Maryland. Try again


What were Whittles stats in that game???


She had 3 goals on 9 shots
Whittle 3 goals v BC. She should be on the short list of potential winners as well. So should Stukenberg from MD, girl from Stony Brook as well (who should have made National Team).... Give it to the most deserving player in the country. Not the most deserving player from the two top teams. Why should it be much different from the boys side or the Heisman in football.
Did anyone notice 7 goals and 8 pts vs #4 Syracuse? Should we do the mic drop here? Lost exactly one game in nine years. Coincidence?
Whittle is average she has tremendous support around her Treanor was way better Not even close. If Apuzzo had that talent around her she would do better
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Whittle is average she has tremendous support around her Treanor was way better Not even close. If Apuzzo had that talent around her she would do better



agreed on Treanor. she was phenomenal. if they called the rule book around horizontal stick cross checks she would have been even better and more fun to watch. the women's game is more physical and squanders super-skilled finesse players like her. the men's game allows players like Thompson and Crotty to flourish out in space and create great plays.
Where do you get full NCAA rankings? Not just the top 20, but all schools. Now that LaxPower has become a pay site, I don't know where to look.
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Whittle is average she has tremendous support around her Treanor was way better Not even close. If Apuzzo had that talent around her she would do better



agreed on Treanor. she was phenomenal. if they called the rule book around horizontal stick cross checks she would have been even better and more fun to watch. the women's game is more physical and squanders super-skilled finesse players like her. the men's game allows players like Thompson and Crotty to flourish out in space and create great plays.



How could Apuzzo be better she has 51 points. BC played Maryland a lot tighter than cuse did, Kent will make them stronger, Don't count Bc out. I hate BC but they do have good players and a good offense.
This is an individual award. Team records should not be a big factor. How is MD doing without Cummings this year? How has McDonough done without her? Same will be true of Whittle when she is gone. Whittle has 21-3 on the season. Great goal scorer and great 1v1 attacker and should be on the short list of possible winners but her role is limited to scoring - limited assists and draw controls. She would have to put up major offensive numbers to be a finalist. Possible but not likely. Whoever votes on this award will look to full field contributions as a determining factor - ie Cummings and Schwarzmann.
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Where do you get full NCAA rankings? Not just the top 20, but all schools. Now that LaxPower has become a pay site, I don't know where to look.


Lax power is not a pay site just scroll down when you get on the website and you will be where you normally used to be when going on the old site.
Syracuse at the Gators on the web right now, if you're snowed in and bored.
Florida domination
If you play tough defense like Florida and Maryland ,
Syracuse attackers
Can't get anything going
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Florida domination
If you play tough defense like Florida and Maryland ,
Syracuse attackers
Can't get anything going


Yeah, that was a shellacking. Duke plays tonight but I think one has to pay to watch and I'm not that interested.
Florida v MD in 2 weeks should be a great game.
Gators can make a title run with this team. Defense is outstanding and the offense is clicking!! The Maryland game will be fantastic !
If BC is so bad then why do so many good kids commit there? A parent told me that they have a lot of top notch kids from everywhere committed. Is it a good school? How does it compare to other schools? My daughter is a 2020 and the class already has 6 kids committed
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If BC is so bad then why do so many good kids commit there? A parent told me that they have a lot of top notch kids from everywhere committed. Is it a good school? How does it compare to other schools? My daughter is a 2020 and the class already has 6 kids committed


I will admit, since they hauled in Appuzzo, a lot of top LI talent has taken notice and will definitely help the program in the right direction, but they still have a long way to go to even sniff being a top team.
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If BC is so bad then why do so many good kids commit there? A parent told me that they have a lot of top notch kids from everywhere committed. Is it a good school? How does it compare to other schools? My daughter is a 2020 and the class already has 6 kids committed


I will admit, since they hauled in Appuzzo, a lot of top LI talent has taken notice and will definitely help the program in the right direction, but they still have a long way to go to even sniff being a top team.


They have twins coming from BBP that are outstanding. They will be freshman when Apuzzo is a senior. Definitely moving in the right direction with this program.
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Where do you get full NCAA rankings? Not just the top 20, but all schools. Now that LaxPower has become a pay site, I don't know where to look.


Lax power is not a pay site just scroll down when you get on the website and you will be where you normally used to be when going on the old site.


Kinda, but now it give conference rank not total ranking on the front screen gives you the team in alpha order
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If BC is so bad then why do so many good kids commit there? A parent told me that they have a lot of top notch kids from everywhere committed. Is it a good school? How does it compare to other schools? My daughter is a 2020 and the class already has 6 kids committed


I will admit, since they hauled in Appuzzo, a lot of top LI talent has taken notice and will definitely help the program in the right direction, but they still have a long way to go to even sniff being a top team.


They have twins coming from BBP that are outstanding. They will be freshman when Apuzzo is a senior. Definitely moving in the right direction with this program.


I thought someone said BBP is falling apart? how can a team falling part have outstanding players
Just switch it to RPI view rather than the alphabetical listing
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If BC is so bad then why do so many good kids commit there? A parent told me that they have a lot of top notch kids from everywhere committed. Is it a good school? How does it compare to other schools? My daughter is a 2020 and the class already has 6 kids committed


I will admit, since they hauled in Appuzzo, a lot of top LI talent has taken notice and will definitely help the program in the right direction, but they still have a long way to go to even sniff being a top team.


They have twins coming from BBP that are outstanding. They will be freshman when Apuzzo is a senior. Definitely moving in the right direction with this program.


Md,Unc and Fla have 8 outstanding kids coming in every year, with a dozen Apuzzo type upperclassman...long way to go.
BC also got the top players from NJ and NC next year and one of the top goalies on LI, they will be very good next year, they return every player so it seems. the 2018 class is also very strong so it seems with players from LI,CT and Maryland. 2019 and 2020 classes are loaded with talent, they have the top players in the class. This team will be very good in the next 4 years, it's a great school, kids get jobs right out of school, Being from NYC tons of BC alums work here.
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BC also got the top players from NJ and NC next year and one of the top goalies on LI, they will be very good next year, they return every player so it seems. the 2018 class is also very strong so it seems with players from LI,CT and Maryland. 2019 and 2020 classes are loaded with talent, they have the top players in the class. This team will be very good in the next 4 years, it's a great school, kids get jobs right out of school, Being from NYC tons of BC alums work here.



Thanks mom of a BC commit . First let's stop w the best players in each class, yes their mommy and daddies think they are but no one else does. It's a descent academic school but is crazy expensive . The campus is very nice but the athletic facilities are fairly hideous . It's an easy trip from Long Island and surrounding town is descent , weather is not great . They will be competitive but will never be top tier .
I mean BC is a top academic school in great real-estate, Id rather hire a kid from BC then from Florida,Maryland,UNC,Stony Brook,Penn State.
Amen! Would also take a Notre Dame, holy Cross and Georgetown player over a player from one of those schools as well, at least in a job where academic credentials are more important after graduation than how many hours they spent playing LAX.
Obviously, would also take an Ivy, Stanford, Duke, USC NW and the like player over those schools as well, but since you're focusing on BC which is Catholic, I tried to stay on topic.
Those schools will get you a great lax experience, maybe even a dance in the NCAA, but the players at MD UNC FL SYR are typically, but not always, focused on continuing to play lax after college or teaching it, not so interested in the business world acumen.
Which is fine for them, the point is ... to each his own and good luck to them all.
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Amen! Would also take a Notre Dame, holy Cross and Georgetown player over a player from one of those schools as well, at least in a job where academic credentials are more important after graduation than how many hours they spent playing LAX.
Obviously, would also take an Ivy, Stanford, Duke, USC NW and the like player over those schools as well, but since you're focusing on BC which is Catholic, I tried to stay on topic.
Those schools will get you a great lax experience, maybe even a dance in the NCAA, but the players at MD UNC FL SYR are typically, but not always, focused on continuing to play lax after college or teaching it, not so interested in the business world acumen.
Which is fine for them, the point is ... to each his own and good luck to them all.


Are you hiring?
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Just switch it to RPI view rather than the alphabetical listing



looking at these RPI rankings... wth these are a joke right? vandy at 12, columbia at 21? brown at 28 with a 3-3 record..


these aren't even worth glancing at ...
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If BC is so bad then why do so many good kids commit there? A parent told me that they have a lot of top notch kids from everywhere committed. Is it a good school? How does it compare to other schools? My daughter is a 2020 and the class already has 6 kids committed


I will admit, since they hauled in Appuzzo, a lot of top LI talent has taken notice and will definitely help the program in the right direction, but they still have a long way to go to even sniff being a top team.


They have twins coming from BBP that are outstanding. They will be freshman when Apuzzo is a senior. Definitely moving in the right direction with this program.


I thought someone said BBP is falling apart? how can a team falling part have outstanding players


Someone else said only the bench riding insignificants left the BBP team. Now they can add "quitter" to their illustrious resumes.
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If BC is so bad then why do so many good kids commit there? A parent told me that they have a lot of top notch kids from everywhere committed. Is it a good school? How does it compare to other schools? My daughter is a 2020 and the class already has 6 kids committed


Some people go to college for an education, not just to play lax
BC investing 200m into athletic facilities in the next 2 years and it is located right outside one of the best cities in the country - along with other top schools like Harvard, BU, MIT and Tufts. Might not be the right choice for some diehard lax lifers but for most it has a lot to offer.
That's a pretty bold statement $hole! How do you know where these from UNC, md , fla, will end up! They were successful on the field and in the classroom . Driven harder than others. I would hire one of those hungry kids before some brainwashed Ivy kid who wants to make America socialist ! 90% of those Ivy kids are indoctrinated by the time they graduate ! Usleless in the business world!
BC 200m investment in Athletics includes new field house for all sports. Many schools doing the same thing.
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That's a pretty bold statement $hole! How do you know where these from UNC, md , fla, will end up! They were successful on the field and in the classroom . Driven harder than others. I would hire one of those hungry kids before some brainwashed Ivy kid who wants to make America socialist ! 90% of those Ivy kids are indoctrinated by the time they graduate ! Usleless in the business world!


Angry much? Chip on your shoulder? All this and a Trumper too. you must be a joy to be around.
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That's a pretty bold statement $hole! How do you know where these from UNC, md , fla, will end up! They were successful on the field and in the classroom . Driven harder than others. I would hire one of those hungry kids before some brainwashed Ivy kid who wants to make America socialist ! 90% of those Ivy kids are indoctrinated by the time they graduate ! Usleless in the business world!


Angry much? Chip on your shoulder? All this and a Trumper too. you must be a joy to be around.


While the post is a bit angry the sentiment holds true . First what makes any of you think BC is better academically than those schools you mentioned . The most commonly used ranking puts BC behind some of those mentioned and some of those schools you mentioned are more difficult to gain admission especially from out of state. Many BC students do come from affluent families , cost of attendance is nearly the highest in the country. It's getting a little old that so many of you feel the need to try and knock down the players that elect to chase their dreams .
IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 13
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 6-0 400 20 1
2 North Carolina 6-1 380 2
3 Florida 5-1 373 3
4 Southern California 4-1 323 4
5 Syracuse 7-1 308 5
6 Princeton 5-0 282 9
7 Colorado 7-0 277 10
8 Stony Brook 5-1 266 7
9 Penn State 7-1 240 6
10 Notre Dame 8-2 226 8
11 Cornell 4-1 187 11
12 Penn 5-1 176 12
13 Northwestern 3-4 132 14
14 Denver 6-1 121 16
15 Towson 4-3 118 15
16 Duke 4-3 81 13
17 Stanford 6-2 71 17
18 Virginia Tech 9-2 58 20
19 Elon 6-1 56 NR
20 Louisville 7-2 51 NR
IWLCA Poll for Division II, March 13
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 3-0 399 19 1
2 Lindenwood 3-0 376 1 2
3 Le Moyne 3-0 364 3
4 LIU Post 3-1 336 4
5 Florida Southern 8-2 329 5
6 West Chester 2-0 280 6
7 Rollins 6-2 258 9
8 Limestone 5-1 253 7
9 Queens 4-2 249 8
10 Mercyhurst 2-1 220 10
11 New Haven 3-0 211 11
12 Florida Tech 7-1 155 17
13 Lock Haven 2-0 141 15
14 Grand Valley State 1-4 112 12
15 NYIT 4-0 95 16
16 Indiana (PA) 0-1 90 14
17 Pace 1-1 81 20
18 Bentley 0-2 75 13
19 Regis (CO) 5-0 69 18
20 Stonehill 1-2 57 19

Teams x Weeks Poll Matrix
IWLCA Poll for Division III, March 13
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Middlebury 3-0 400 20 1
2 Trinity (CT) 3-0 373 3
3 Gettysburg 4-0 366 4
4 College of New Jersey 3-0 327 5
5 Catholic (DC) 3-0 303 6
6 Franklin & Marshall 2-1 299 8
7 Cortland 2-1 275 2
8 Washington & Lee 4-1 272 7
9 [lacrosse] 3-1 244 9
10 Salisbury 4-2 215 11
11 Brockport 3-0 213 10
12 Messiah 2-2 171 12
13 St. John Fisher 2-0 165 14
14 Bowdoin 2-0 115 16
15 Amherst 2-1 110 15
16 Mary Washington 5-2 80 17
17 Ithaca 3-0 72 18
18 Wesleyan (CT) 3-0 47 NR
19 William Smith 3-0 39 NR
20 Colby 1-2 35 20

Teams x Weeks Poll Matrix
Bbp just lost a few kids who went to other sports but none of their starters.
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BC also got the top players from NJ and NC next year and one of the top goalies on LI, they will be very good next year, they return every player so it seems. the 2018 class is also very strong so it seems with players from LI,CT and Maryland. 2019 and 2020 classes are loaded with talent, they have the top players in the class. This team will be very good in the next 4 years, it's a great school, kids get jobs right out of school, Being from NYC tons of BC alums work here.



Thanks mom of a BC commit . First let's stop w the best players in each class, yes their mommy and daddies think they are but no one else does. It's a descent academic school but is crazy expensive . The campus is very nice but the athletic facilities are fairly hideous . It's an easy trip from Long Island and surrounding town is descent , weather is not great . They will be competitive but will never be top tier .



Decent school??? Im not a fan of BC, but its an amazing school, new facilities are coming and Boston is an amazing city, Comm ave is very nice area not decent.
The same question every year, do you take one of the five teams that have won every championship over the last 25 years or is this the year to take the field? Winners have been NC, Maryland, NU, Virginia & Princeton. Three of them are in the top 10
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BC also got the top players from NJ and NC next year and one of the top goalies on LI, they will be very good next year, they return every player so it seems. the 2018 class is also very strong so it seems with players from LI,CT and Maryland. 2019 and 2020 classes are loaded with talent, they have the top players in the class. This team will be very good in the next 4 years, it's a great school, kids get jobs right out of school, Being from NYC tons of BC alums work here.



Thanks mom of a BC commit . First let's stop w the best players in each class, yes their mommy and daddies think they are but no one else does. It's a descent academic school but is crazy expensive . The campus is very nice but the athletic facilities are fairly hideous . It's an easy trip from Long Island and surrounding town is descent , weather is not great . They will be competitive but will never be top tier .



Decent school??? Im not a fan of BC, but its an amazing school, new facilities are coming and Boston is an amazing city, Comm ave is very nice area not decent.

First off only a fan would call it amazing so stop with the nonsense. It's a descent school as in not exactly Ivy and no better than many of the schools that were named. As far as very nice area , maybe for an adult who works in Boston but it's not a very nice college town . The campus is okay , not a lot of green space etc, and say what you want but the kids that go there kinda like the school but don't exactly love it .
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC also got the top players from NJ and NC next year and one of the top goalies on LI, they will be very good next year, they return every player so it seems. the 2018 class is also very strong so it seems with players from LI,CT and Maryland. 2019 and 2020 classes are loaded with talent, they have the top players in the class. This team will be very good in the next 4 years, it's a great school, kids get jobs right out of school, Being from NYC tons of BC alums work here.



Thanks mom of a BC commit . First let's stop w the best players in each class, yes their mommy and daddies think they are but no one else does. It's a descent academic school but is crazy expensive . The campus is very nice but the athletic facilities are fairly hideous . It's an easy trip from Long Island and surrounding town is descent , weather is not great . They will be competitive but will never be top tier .



Decent school??? Im not a fan of BC, but its an amazing school, new facilities are coming and Boston is an amazing city, Comm ave is very nice area not decent.


Stop with the nonsense. Not a fan yet you describe it as amazing and know about new facilities .Yes it's a descent school , it's not Ivy League and is comparable to many of the schools previously mentioned. As far as student experience goes I will take the Penn State, UNC ,Maryland, FL every time . The campus is not the best , some nice architecture but little green space , the town is nice for middle upper class families but is in no way a college town . Most importantly to me is when speaking with existing players and asking them if they liked it the reactions were not exactly what you hope for .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The same question every year, do you take one of the five teams that have won every championship over the last 25 years or is this the year to take the field? Winners have been NC, Maryland, NU, Virginia & Princeton. Three of them are in the top 10


this year you can take the Top 2. forget NU that's history. MD is reloaded big time and blowing out top 10 teams like Syracuse. NC still the champ speaks for itself.

I am enjoying the surge of the Colorado's and VaTech's etc. but they pose no immediate threat the the top 2.
Florida has a shot - will know more after they play MD in a few weeks.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida has a shot - will know more after they play MD in a few weeks.
been hearing this for years....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida has a shot - will know more after they play MD in a few weeks.


Agreed. Based on performance so far this year, I don't see how you can eliminate Florida from the conversation. I watched the UF vs UNC game, I thought they were pretty evenly matched. You also can't ignore what they were able to do against the Team USA. The Maryland game should be interesting.
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.


While most of that makes sense the problem is generally when people on this site are trying to judge what those wrong reasons are for other peoples kids. Boston College was singled out because some blowhard decided the students graduating from there were automatically better qualified compared to several other universities . There are many variables that go into what school is best for each student .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida has a shot - will know more after they play MD in a few weeks.
been hearing this for years....


yes they have had great talent for years, and no they have never gotten it done. Fla had that 7 goal second-half lead in the semis against SYR and just kept going to goal like she likes it. maybe the biggest choke job ever really.

Florida a show-me team. Put 'em in a big game against Md / NC on Memorial Day Weekend??? bet the house against them.
anyone have an opinion on a good offensive scheme they have seen (on ESPN webcast, seems like the only way to watch this year) teams run??

I think Penn had a good looking offense, and VaTech also had a creative scheme. on the flip side I think the Duke offense is horrible as was the Georgetown offense, both putting at least one and sometimes 2 attackers inside the 8 looking to catch, turn and shoot. can't imagine what they are trying to accomplish..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.


While most of that makes sense the problem is generally when people on this site are trying to judge what those wrong reasons are for other peoples kids. Boston College was singled out because some blowhard decided the students graduating from there were automatically better qualified compared to several other universities . There are many variables that go into what school is best for each student .


That's BC mindset in a nutshell, snobbish vineyard vines wearing a-holes from LI, CT, NJ, MD & MA
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida has a shot - will know more after they play MD in a few weeks.
been hearing this for years....


yes they have had great talent for years, and no they have never gotten it done. Fla had that 7 goal second-half lead in the semis against SYR and just kept going to goal like she likes it. maybe the biggest choke job ever really.

Florida a show-me team. Put 'em in a big game against Md / NC on Memorial Day Weekend??? bet the house against them.


Coach is overmatched, if there's a way to lose a big game she will find it
If Florida falls short (again) they'll get over it... great lax otherwise ... party on Gators!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.


While most of that makes sense the problem is generally when people on this site are trying to judge what those wrong reasons are for other peoples kids. Boston College was singled out because some blowhard decided the students graduating from there were automatically better qualified compared to several other universities . There are many variables that go into what school is best for each student .


That's BC mindset in a nutshell, snobbish vineyard vines wearing a-holes from LI, CT, NJ, MD & MA


Boston College is a good school with a good lacrosse program. If it is the right place for your daughter then it is a great place. They get some great players and they get some average players (average for a good DI program). Just about all of the girls playing there are pretty darn good and I am sure they are good students as well. That is the same at every school (including Maryland, North Carolina, Florida etc...) not every player at Maryland is better than every player at Boston College.

Many on this site try to justify and or pump up their daughters choice of school by putting down or diminishing other schools or programs. Stony Brook supports trying to tear down Northwestern, Boston College Supporters putting down Maryland, Florida and Penn State. NESCAC supporters touting that they choose DIII because of the academics as if none of the student athletes at Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Hopkins, Dartmouth, Brown, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Vaderbilt, Georgetown, Virginia, Army, Navy etc.... do not focus on academics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.


While most of that makes sense the problem is generally when people on this site are trying to judge what those wrong reasons are for other peoples kids. Boston College was singled out because some blowhard decided the students graduating from there were automatically better qualified compared to several other universities . There are many variables that go into what school is best for each student .


That's BC mindset in a nutshell, snobbish vineyard vines wearing a-holes from LI, CT, NJ, MD & MA


Boston College is a good school with a good lacrosse program. If it is the right place for your daughter then it is a great place. They get some great players and they get some average players (average for a good DI program). Just about all of the girls playing there are pretty darn good and I am sure they are good students as well. That is the same at every school (including Maryland, North Carolina, Florida etc...) not every player at Maryland is better than every player at Boston College.

Many on this site try to justify and or pump up their daughters choice of school by putting down or diminishing other schools or programs. Stony Brook supports trying to tear down Northwestern, Boston College Supporters putting down Maryland, Florida and Penn State. NESCAC supporters touting that they choose DIII because of the academics as if none of the student athletes at Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Hopkins, Dartmouth, Brown, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Vaderbilt, Georgetown, Virginia, Army, Navy etc.... do not focus on academics.



Correction**

*NESCAC supporters touting that they choose DIII because of the academics as if the student athletes at Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Hopkins, Dartmouth, Brown, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Vaderbilt, Georgetown, Virginia, Army, Navy etc.... do not focus on academics.

Be happy that your daughters are healthy. Bitterness, jealousy and hate are not good traits to pass on to your daughter.

Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!

What's up with ND3x
Middlebury College is a complete disgrace!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's up with ND3x

overrated as usual, coaching is horrible
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.
That's an understatementa
for those Duke bashers out there, you should read the commentary from their coach after they got thumped by Penn yesterday... pretty much fell on her sword by saying the scheme they are running is not a good one..

getting very little out of an absurd amount of talent. crazy.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.


All you have to do is google it. Student protest shuts down free speech and assaults teacher sending her to the hospital. You must watch CNN and MSNBC where they choose not to report on matters unflatterIng to their view of the world.
cuse barely squeaks by harvard?
McCool = Tewarraton
Looks like Cornell has as good a chance of landing in the #4 spot championship weekend as anyone. Quality win today vs USC. NU hung with UNC for most of the game, but it got away from them late and its just another L. ND with another horrible loss as well. It's still MD, UNC, FL and everyone else vying for the last spot on championship weekend.
Agree. Great to see so many teams in the mix. Will be good for the sport.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree. Great to see so many teams in the mix. Will be good for the sport.


Three teams are in the mix...many teams in the mix to their delusional parents.
at the end of the day it will be unc or Maryland and the streak will continue into year 26 with only 5 teams ever winning the championship
its an unwatchable game. They say it gets better, as they get older. Its horrific when they are small , terrible in high school, and bad in college.I guess thats the progress i have heard much about.
Can a team 3 games under 500still be ranked in the top 20?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can a team 3 games under 500still be ranked in the top 20?


So that is clearly a dig at NU, and clearly if you are asking that seriously you don't know how rankings work. It is not only based on record, it's based on score margins of your games and the games of your opponents, and their rankings and strength of schedule etc.
Same way a 4-3 team can be ranked in the 70s or 80s....that's how. Play it close, play hard games and you will be rewarded with a higher ranking. Get blown out and/or play a weaker schedule and your rankings will suffer. Can we all just put the NU arguments to bed. They are a good team, better than most, not the best anymore. And no my daughter does not play for them, she plays for one of those lower ranked schools where you feel NU should be, but isn't!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
its an unwatchable game. They say it gets better, as they get older. Its horrific when they are small , terrible in high school, and bad in college.I guess thats the progress i have heard much about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
its an unwatchable game. They say it gets better, as they get older. Its horrific when they are small , terrible in high school, and bad in college.I guess thats the progress i have heard much about.


Agree to some extent. Too many players crowded in a small area. Too many whistles. Limited pockets make it impossible to have any creativity. No disincentive for constant fouling- actually it's rewarded.. Games a mess.
Can someone please explain how Elon is ranked #11? And USC is way down at 33?
[quote=Anonymous]Can someone please explain how Elon is ranked #11? And USC is way down at 33?

Inside Lacrosse poll has USC #5 and Elon #14 what poll are you looking at?
Where?
So you're saying that a team that barely beat the #29 team lost to the #33 team, lost to a team that was at that time in the 30's, got blown out by the # 10 team, lost to the # 30 team still somehow deserves to be ranked in the top 20. Sorry that's a B.S. system. That is why girls will flock to those same 5 teams that always win because they only play each other and will remain that way. Even if they lose people like you come up with some way to keep them in the mix when they clearly should not be.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC in a week gains one of the best attackers in the game, Apuzzo's numbers will only go up as the team's offense gets stronger. They will be much better in a week. And no im not this person parent nor a BC parent, i just have an opinion. She has 51 points through 9 games, most in the country


Most in the country is realative. She is the first player off the course and in the club house, the Phils and Tigers are still on the front nine.
BC has played 11 games so far, that is a lot compared to many other programs. For comparisons sake, the SBU player has 50 points in 7 games. 5.2 points per game avg for SA and KO has a 7.1 points per game average. Plus a bunch of others have better point averages, just haven't played as many games. If a season were 20 games , SA on course for a 103 point Season and KO on course for 143 point season. And many others on target for higher than 103.
In the end I am a SA and BC fan. But the T award has only ever gone to top players on championship teams or very near championship teams. BC is not that. Someone made the argument that it should go to the best player, that's what this excercise here is about. SA is a great player, that 51 points in 9 games, now 57 in eleven, is not the best in the country.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So you're saying that a team that barely beat the #29 team lost to the #33 team, lost to a team that was at that time in the 30's, got blown out by the # 10 team, lost to the # 30 team still somehow deserves to be ranked in the top 20. Sorry that's a B.S. system. That is why girls will flock to those same 5 teams that always win because they only play each other and will remain that way. Even if they lose people like you come up with some way to keep them in the mix when they clearly should not be.


Not my way, just THE way
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC in a week gains one of the best attackers in the game, Apuzzo's numbers will only go up as the team's offense gets stronger. They will be much better in a week. And no im not this person parent nor a BC parent, i just have an opinion. She has 51 points through 9 games, most in the country


Most in the country is realative. She is the first player off the course and in the club house, the Phils and Tigers are still on the front nine.
BC has played 11 games so far, that is a lot compared to many other programs. For comparisons sake, the SBU player has 50 points in 7 games. 5.2 points per game avg for SA and KO has a 7.1 points per game average. Plus a bunch of others have better point averages, just haven't played as many games. If a season were 20 games , SA on course for a 103 point Season and KO on course for 143 point season. And many others on target for higher than 103.
In the end I am a SA and BC fan. But the T award has only ever gone to top players on championship teams or very near championship teams. BC is not that. Someone made the argument that it should go to the best player, that's what this excercise here is about. SA is a great player, that 51 points in 9 games, now 57 in eleven, is not the best in the country.


They both are really good players, but to use points per game as the barometer for the T award is short sighted. It should be a factor, But there are so many more aspects to the game. I have a tough time giving it to an attacker who only affects one side of the field. Give me the great 2 way middy any day. I t is silly to just look at points. A great defensive middy who can transition,get draw controls and score in my opinion is way more valuable than the kid with the most points, Especially when the schedules are not balanced. Many of those points could be in garbage time against less competitive teams. This isn't a knock on those 2 players, they are great , but there are kids who do way more on both ends.
RPI rankings on LaxPower.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC in a week gains one of the best attackers in the game, Apuzzo's numbers will only go up as the team's offense gets stronger. They will be much better in a week. And no im not this person parent nor a BC parent, i just have an opinion. She has 51 points through 9 games, most in the country


Most in the country is realative. She is the first player off the course and in the club house, the Phils and Tigers are still on the front nine.
BC has played 11 games so far, that is a lot compared to many other programs. For comparisons sake, the SBU player has 50 points in 7 games. 5.2 points per game avg for SA and KO has a 7.1 points per game average. Plus a bunch of others have better point averages, just haven't played as many games. If a season were 20 games , SA on course for a 103 point Season and KO on course for 143 point season. And many others on target for higher than 103.
In the end I am a SA and BC fan. But the T award has only ever gone to top players on championship teams or very near championship teams. BC is not that. Someone made the argument that it should go to the best player, that's what this excercise here is about. SA is a great player, that 51 points in 9 games, now 57 in eleven, is not the best in the country.


They both are really good players, but to use points per game as the barometer for the T award is short sighted. It should be a factor, But there are so many more aspects to the game. I have a tough time giving it to an attacker who only affects one side of the field. Give me the great 2 way middy any day. I t is silly to just look at points. A great defensive middy who can transition,get draw controls and score in my opinion is way more valuable than the kid with the most points, Especially when the schedules are not balanced. Many of those points could be in garbage time against less competitive teams. This isn't a knock on those 2 players, they are great , but there are kids who do way more on both ends.


the argument can be made those other players from the top 3 are playing with way more support than the others its a strange balance
IWLCA Poll for Division II, March 20
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 4-0 398 18 1
2 Lindenwood 6-0 379 1 2
3 Le Moyne 4-0 362 1 3
4 LIU Post 3-1 328 4
5 Florida Southern 11-2 326 5
6 West Chester 3-0 289 6
7 Rollins 8-2 274 7
8 Limestone 7-1 253 8
9 Queens 6-2 244 9
10 Mercyhurst 2-1 216 10
11 Florida Tech 8-1 194 12
12 New Haven 4-0 188 11
13 Lock Haven 3-1 165 13
14 Pace 2-1 121 17
15 NYIT 6-1 109 15
16 Grand Valley State 1-4 78 14
17 Regis (CO) 6-0 75 19
17 Indiana (PA) 1-2 75 16
19 Bentley 1-3 64 18
20 Stonehill 3-2
IWLCA Poll for Division III, March 20
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Middlebury 4-0 398 18 1
2 Gettysburg 6-0 381 2 3
3 College of New Jersey 3-0 346 4
4 Washington & Lee 6-1 320 8
4 Franklin & Marshall 4-1 320 6
6 Cortland 3-1 301 7
7 Trinity (CT) 5-1 283 2
8 [lacrosse] 4-1 255 9
9 Catholic (DC) 3-2 246 5
10 Salisbury 5-2 222 10
11 Messiah 3-2 169 12
12 Brockport 4-0 164 11
13 Ithaca 4-1 127 17
14 St. John Fisher 3-0 123 13
15 Bowdoin 3-1 113 14
16 Mary Washington 5-3 108 16
17 William Smith 4-1 84 19
18 Hamilton 2-3 70 NR
19 Colby 2-2 45 20
19 Amherst 2-2 45 15
IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 20
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 7-0 400 20 1
2 North Carolina 8-1 380 2
3 Florida 7-1 341 3
4 Syracuse 8-2 327 5
5 Princeton 5-0 294 6
6 Colorado 9-0 288 7
7 Stony Brook 6-1 257 8
7 Cornell 5-1 257 11
9 Southern California 6-2 253 4
10 Penn State 8-1 245 9
11 Penn 6-1 216 12
12 Towson 6-3 157 15
13 Denver 7-1 136 14
14 Northwestern 3-5 131 13
15 Notre Dame 8-4 128 10
16 Virginia Tech 10-2 72 18
17 Duke 5-4 65 16
18 Stanford 6-2 61 17
19 Virginia 4-4 52 NR
20 Elon 6-2
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.


All you have to do is google it. Student protest shuts down free speech and assaults teacher sending her to the hospital. You must watch CNN and MSNBC where they choose not to report on matters unflatterIng to their view of the world.


Actually a Fox guy. Found an Op Ed from the professor in the New [lacrosse] Times on the matter. He seemed to take the injury in context to the protest better than you did.

All schools are liberal at its base. Yale gave out coloring books and the day off after the election. Princeton brought in puppies. Cal did significant damage during a protest. Don't let the militant minority drive you nuts.

Forbes ranks Middlebury as the 4th best school in terms of tuition cost versus real world earnings.
How's the program at SUNY Maritime? They have the best cost/salary ratio in the country!
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.


All you have to do is google it. Student protest shuts down free speech and assaults teacher sending her to the hospital. You must watch CNN and MSNBC where they choose not to report on matters unflatterIng to their view of the world.


Actually a Fox guy. Found an Op Ed from the professor in the New [lacrosse] Times on the matter. He seemed to take the injury in context to the protest better than you did.

All schools are liberal at its base. Yale gave out coloring books and the day off after the election. Princeton brought in puppies. Cal did significant damage during a protest. Don't let the militant minority drive you nuts.

Forbes ranks Middlebury as the 4th best school in terms of tuition cost versus real world earnings.


Perhaps you need to read the op ed again, the professor that was injured is a female. If that is what the 4th best tuition to earnings ratio is giving you in terms of an education they failed. You should read a dozen or so of the reports, gives a broader perspective. The irony is that the injured professor was apparently one of the faculty protesting in the audience preventing the session from occurring in clear violation of school policy. The issue is that students and faculty are all being given a pass from school rules even though they were reinforced by the administration before the speaker took the stage. Middlebury has completely mis-handled this situation because they all wanted to suppress free speech because they do not support what they believe the speaker stands for but could not find a way other than this and still maintain a shred of pretend credibility on the subject.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC in a week gains one of the best attackers in the game, Apuzzo's numbers will only go up as the team's offense gets stronger. They will be much better in a week. And no im not this person parent nor a BC parent, i just have an opinion. She has 51 points through 9 games, most in the country


Most in the country is realative. She is the first player off the course and in the club house, the Phils and Tigers are still on the front nine.
BC has played 11 games so far, that is a lot compared to many other programs. For comparisons sake, the SBU player has 50 points in 7 games. 5.2 points per game avg for SA and KO has a 7.1 points per game average. Plus a bunch of others have better point averages, just haven't played as many games. If a season were 20 games , SA on course for a 103 point Season and KO on course for 143 point season. And many others on target for higher than 103.
In the end I am a SA and BC fan. But the T award has only ever gone to top players on championship teams or very near championship teams. BC is not that. Someone made the argument that it should go to the best player, that's what this excercise here is about. SA is a great player, that 51 points in 9 games, now 57 in eleven, is not the best in the country.


They both are really good players, but to use points per game as the barometer for the T award is short sighted. It should be a factor, But there are so many more aspects to the game. I have a tough time giving it to an attacker who only affects one side of the field. Give me the great 2 way middy any day. I t is silly to just look at points. A great defensive middy who can transition,get draw controls and score in my opinion is way more valuable than the kid with the most points, Especially when the schedules are not balanced. Many of those points could be in garbage time against less competitive teams. This isn't a knock on those 2 players, they are great , but there are kids who do way more on both ends.


the argument can be made those other players from the top 3 are playing with way more support than the others its a strange balance


Which means your stats are not as gaudy because others can also contribute to the scoring
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How's the program at SUNY Maritime? They have the best cost/salary ratio in the country!


most teams are walk on especially for the girls. But great pay after graduation and they place almost 100% of students
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.


All you have to do is google it. Student protest shuts down free speech and assaults teacher sending her to the hospital. You must watch CNN and MSNBC where they choose not to report on matters unflatterIng to their view of the world.


Actually a Fox guy. Found an Op Ed from the professor in the New [lacrosse] Times on the matter. He seemed to take the injury in context to the protest better than you did.

All schools are liberal at its base. Yale gave out coloring books and the day off after the election. Princeton brought in puppies. Cal did significant damage during a protest. Don't let the militant minority drive you nuts.

Forbes ranks Middlebury as the 4th best school in terms of tuition cost versus real world earnings.


Perhaps you need to read the op ed again, the professor that was injured is a female. If that is what the 4th best tuition to earnings ratio is giving you in terms of an education they failed. You should read a dozen or so of the reports, gives a broader perspective. The irony is that the injured professor was apparently one of the faculty protesting in the audience preventing the session from occurring in clear violation of school policy. The issue is that students and faculty are all being given a pass from school rules even though they were reinforced by the administration before the speaker took the stage. Middlebury has completely mis-handled this situation because they all wanted to suppress free speech because they do not support what they believe the speaker stands for but could not find a way other than this and still maintain a shred of pretend credibility on the subject.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
There seems to be some dialogue as to "what is a better school". The mixture of sports life, class work and your own student's desire is an almost impossible equation that if you hit on all three I applaud you. But to single out a particluiar school, such as Boston College or Northwestern (NW in particular carries a lot of passion on this board) is ignorant.

In years past large schools were able to recruit below their acceptance levels due too scale. You have a 40,000 student body so recruiting 500 students below the acceptance levels was OK--especially in money sports (men's football and basketball). But it carried over to other sports for "prestige".

The Ivies and Little Ivies were the exception. You still needed to meet the acceptance standards. But not long ago that changed--again in the money sports but for the Ivies it was men's basketball. I'm not saying they reduced the standards like other schools (lets face it, Kentucky has no standards for its basketball program; they only stay a year), but they tweaked it just enough to get a qualit's player (Lin). That network money come tournament time was nice!

So you see t his now through all levels of college sports. The Ivies are still tough, don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of flexibility. NESCAC schools on the D3 level are the same way. You still need to in the top 10 percentile, good test scores, etc.

Jobs! That's why we send our students to the same schools, right? I'm a Villanova graduate and in my day went to Haverford down the road for some parties. Became friendly with a Haverford student who said, with a bit of superiority, "You go to Villanova? You'll work for me someday". Funny thing is I did and it worked out for both of us. Friend to this day.

My point is you have a student that wants to be a doctor, engineer, etc they better be extraordinary to make it as a D1 student. That's why you see a lot of Communication majors in D1. Slide over to D3, and the NESCAC (which I know well) and you have pre-law, pre-med, finance, graduate school candidates--it's a different deal. So if you want your student to have a good job maybe a finance degree from Middlebury will get them that Wall Street job better than a communications degree from Northwestern (just using NW because it's such a target on this thread!).

The worst school is not a school by name but when a student picks a school for all the wrong reasons.

Middlebury? You could have used a better example. That school and students are a total disgrace. And those students as our future is killing this once great country. Snowflakes!



I need examples to your reply. I think you are thinking of a different school.


All you have to do is google it. Student protest shuts down free speech and assaults teacher sending her to the hospital. You must watch CNN and MSNBC where they choose not to report on matters unflatterIng to their view of the world.


Actually a Fox guy. Found an Op Ed from the professor in the New [lacrosse] Times on the matter. He seemed to take the injury in context to the protest better than you did.

All schools are liberal at its base. Yale gave out coloring books and the day off after the election. Princeton brought in puppies. Cal did significant damage during a protest. Don't let the militant minority drive you nuts.

Forbes ranks Middlebury as the 4th best school in terms of tuition cost versus real world earnings.


Perhaps you need to read the op ed again, the professor that was injured is a female. If that is what the 4th best tuition to earnings ratio is giving you in terms of an education they failed. You should read a dozen or so of the reports, gives a broader perspective. The irony is that the injured professor was apparently one of the faculty protesting in the audience preventing the session from occurring in clear violation of school policy. The issue is that students and faculty are all being given a pass from school rules even though they were reinforced by the administration before the speaker took the stage. Middlebury has completely mis-handled this situation because they all wanted to suppress free speech because they do not support what they believe the speaker stands for but could not find a way other than this and still maintain a shred of pretend credibility on the subject.


It's why Jerry Seinfeld won't play colleges anymore.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How's the program at SUNY Maritime? They have the best cost/salary ratio in the country!


most teams are walk on especially for the girls. But great pay after graduation and they place almost 100% of students


You go to the school if you are looking to work in the Maritime industry, not to play girls lax, and their best player (daughters friend) is out for the season with a torn ACL.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
McCool = Tewarraton


Don't think so, there's a classic example of me first player, M Bill is a better all around player and not as selfish. if she went to goal as often as mccool her stats would dwarf mccool
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How's the program at SUNY Maritime? They have the best cost/salary ratio in the country!


most teams are walk on especially for the girls. But great pay after graduation and they place almost 100% of students


You go to the school if you are looking to work in the Maritime industry, not to play girls lax, and their best player (daughters friend) is out for the season with a torn ACL.


Your daughter shouldn't go anywhere to play girls lax. She should go somewhere that has a great program in her chosen field. Then play lax for that school.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
for those Duke bashers out there, you should read the commentary from their coach after they got thumped by Penn yesterday... pretty much fell on her sword by saying the scheme they are running is not a good one..

getting very little out of an absurd amount of talent. crazy.


I think that duke and a bunch of other perennial top 10-20 teams (Loyola, ND, etc) think that they just need to walk on the field and they will win because of the name on the uniform. They seem to be very slow to realize that the landscape has and is changing and there are plenty of good players to go around and programs (especially the relatively new ones) that are a little more hungry to win and are blindsiding some of them. MD, UNC & FL still have the horses to separate themselves from the pack, but the rest are all more of the same.
http://www.laxpower.com/honors/weeklyhonors.php?gender=W&week=2017-03-20

Have to love reading this and seeing the names of so many Long Island girls
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC in a week gains one of the best attackers in the game, Apuzzo's numbers will only go up as the team's offense gets stronger. They will be much better in a week. And no im not this person parent nor a BC parent, i just have an opinion. She has 51 points through 9 games, most in the country


Most in the country is realative. She is the first player off the course and in the club house, the Phils and Tigers are still on the front nine.
BC has played 11 games so far, that is a lot compared to many other programs. For comparisons sake, the SBU player has 50 points in 7 games. 5.2 points per game avg for SA and KO has a 7.1 points per game average. Plus a bunch of others have better point averages, just haven't played as many games. If a season were 20 games , SA on course for a 103 point Season and KO on course for 143 point season. And many others on target for higher than 103.
In the end I am a SA and BC fan. But the T award has only ever gone to top players on championship teams or very near championship teams. BC is not that. Someone made the argument that it should go to the best player, that's what this excercise here is about. SA is a great player, that 51 points in 9 games, now 57 in eleven, is not the best in the country.


Stony Brook plays the worst teams, they have 2 hard games. That girl just stacks her points against Bryant and UNH.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC in a week gains one of the best attackers in the game, Apuzzo's numbers will only go up as the team's offense gets stronger. They will be much better in a week. And no im not this person parent nor a BC parent, i just have an opinion. She has 51 points through 9 games, most in the country


Most in the country is realative. She is the first player off the course and in the club house, the Phils and Tigers are still on the front nine.
BC has played 11 games so far, that is a lot compared to many other programs. For comparisons sake, the SBU player has 50 points in 7 games. 5.2 points per game avg for SA and KO has a 7.1 points per game average. Plus a bunch of others have better point averages, just haven't played as many games. If a season were 20 games , SA on course for a 103 point Season and KO on course for 143 point season. And many others on target for higher than 103.
In the end I am a SA and BC fan. But the T award has only ever gone to top players on championship teams or very near championship teams. BC is not that. Someone made the argument that it should go to the best player, that's what this excercise here is about. SA is a great player, that 51 points in 9 games, now 57 in eleven, is not the best in the country.


Stony Brook plays the worst teams, they have 2 hard games. That girl just stacks her points against Bryant and UNH.


True, that's why they lose when it counts
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC in a week gains one of the best attackers in the game, Apuzzo's numbers will only go up as the team's offense gets stronger. They will be much better in a week. And no im not this person parent nor a BC parent, i just have an opinion. She has 51 points through 9 games, most in the country


Most in the country is realative. She is the first player off the course and in the club house, the Phils and Tigers are still on the front nine.
BC has played 11 games so far, that is a lot compared to many other programs. For comparisons sake, the SBU player has 50 points in 7 games. 5.2 points per game avg for SA and KO has a 7.1 points per game average. Plus a bunch of others have better point averages, just haven't played as many games. If a season were 20 games , SA on course for a 103 point Season and KO on course for 143 point season. And many others on target for higher than 103.
In the end I am a SA and BC fan. But the T award has only ever gone to top players on championship teams or very near championship teams. BC is not that. Someone made the argument that it should go to the best player, that's what this excercise here is about. SA is a great player, that 51 points in 9 games, now 57 in eleven, is not the best in the country.


Stony Brook plays the worst teams, they have 2 hard games. That girl just stacks her points against Bryant and UNH.


True, that's why they lose when it counts


All YJ's pad
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC in a week gains one of the best attackers in the game, Apuzzo's numbers will only go up as the team's offense gets stronger. They will be much better in a week. And no im not this person parent nor a BC parent, i just have an opinion. She has 51 points through 9 games, most in the country


Most in the country is realative. She is the first player off the course and in the club house, the Phils and Tigers are still on the front nine.
BC has played 11 games so far, that is a lot compared to many other programs. For comparisons sake, the SBU player has 50 points in 7 games. 5.2 points per game avg for SA and KO has a 7.1 points per game average. Plus a bunch of others have better point averages, just haven't played as many games. If a season were 20 games , SA on course for a 103 point Season and KO on course for 143 point season. And many others on target for higher than 103.
In the end I am a SA and BC fan. But the T award has only ever gone to top players on championship teams or very near championship teams. BC is not that. Someone made the argument that it should go to the best player, that's what this excercise here is about. SA is a great player, that 51 points in 9 games, now 57 in eleven, is not the best in the country.


Stony Brook plays the worst teams, they have 2 hard games. That girl just stacks her points against Bryant and UNH.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC in a week gains one of the best attackers in the game, Apuzzo's numbers will only go up as the team's offense gets stronger. They will be much better in a week. And no im not this person parent nor a BC parent, i just have an opinion. She has 51 points through 9 games, most in the country


Most in the country is realative. She is the first player off the course and in the club house, the Phils and Tigers are still on the front nine.
BC has played 11 games so far, that is a lot compared to many other programs. For comparisons sake, the SBU player has 50 points in 7 games. 5.2 points per game avg for SA and KO has a 7.1 points per game average. Plus a bunch of others have better point averages, just haven't played as many games. If a season were 20 games , SA on course for a 103 point Season and KO on course for 143 point season. And many others on target for higher than 103.
In the end I am a SA and BC fan. But the T award has only ever gone to top players on championship teams or very near championship teams. BC is not that. Someone made the argument that it should go to the best player, that's what this excercise here is about. SA is a great player, that 51 points in 9 games, now 57 in eleven, is not the best in the country.


Stony Brook plays the worst teams, they have 2 hard games. That girl just stacks her points against Bryant and UNH.


No way this is an adult. If it is WOW Just wow.
Upenn gave the terms quite the battle. Florida is best team
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Stony Brook plays the worst teams, they have 2 hard games. That girl just stacks her points against Bryant and UNH.


No way this is an adult. If it is WOW Just wow.
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Why don't you think this is an adult? I'm an adult and I can see what the original poster is saying. Can't you?
UPenn plays great team defense. Key to winning is team defense and goal keeping.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC in a week gains one of the best attackers in the game, Apuzzo's numbers will only go up as the team's offense gets stronger. They will be much better in a week. And no im not this person parent nor a BC parent, i just have an opinion. She has 51 points through 9 games, most in the country


Most in the country is realative. She is the first player off the course and in the club house, the Phils and Tigers are still on the front nine.
BC has played 11 games so far, that is a lot compared to many other programs. For comparisons sake, the SBU player has 50 points in 7 games. 5.2 points per game avg for SA and KO has a 7.1 points per game average. Plus a bunch of others have better point averages, just haven't played as many games. If a season were 20 games , SA on course for a 103 point Season and KO on course for 143 point season. And many others on target for higher than 103.
In the end I am a SA and BC fan. But the T award has only ever gone to top players on championship teams or very near championship teams. BC is not that. Someone made the argument that it should go to the best player, that's what this excercise here is about. SA is a great player, that 51 points in 9 games, now 57 in eleven, is not the best in the country.


Stony Brook plays the worst teams, they have 2 hard games. That girl just stacks her points against Bryant and UNH.

So you are knocking a 20 year old who made it to the final 25 for US National team. Yeah. you know what you are talking about. You must have missed the 4 goals and 3 assist game vs Florida
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC in a week gains one of the best attackers in the game, Apuzzo's numbers will only go up as the team's offense gets stronger. They will be much better in a week. And no im not this person parent nor a BC parent, i just have an opinion. She has 51 points through 9 games, most in the country


Most in the country is realative. She is the first player off the course and in the club house, the Phils and Tigers are still on the front nine.
BC has played 11 games so far, that is a lot compared to many other programs. For comparisons sake, the SBU player has 50 points in 7 games. 5.2 points per game avg for SA and KO has a 7.1 points per game average. Plus a bunch of others have better point averages, just haven't played as many games. If a season were 20 games , SA on course for a 103 point Season and KO on course for 143 point season. And many others on target for higher than 103.
In the end I am a SA and BC fan. But the T award has only ever gone to top players on championship teams or very near championship teams. BC is not that. Someone made the argument that it should go to the best player, that's what this excercise here is about. SA is a great player, that 51 points in 9 games, now 57 in eleven, is not the best in the country.


Stony Brook plays the worst teams, they have 2 hard games. That girl just stacks her points against Bryant and UNH.

So you are knocking a 20 year old who made it to the final 25 for US National team. Yeah. you know what you are talking about. You must have missed the 4 goals and 3 assist game vs Florida


You must of missed Apuzzo's 4g and 2a against the Terps. This doesn't matter neither are very good, McCool or Stukenberg depending on who wins the NCAA
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC in a week gains one of the best attackers in the game, Apuzzo's numbers will only go up as the team's offense gets stronger. They will be much better in a week. And no im not this person parent nor a BC parent, i just have an opinion. She has 51 points through 9 games, most in the country


Most in the country is realative. She is the first player off the course and in the club house, the Phils and Tigers are still on the front nine.
BC has played 11 games so far, that is a lot compared to many other programs. For comparisons sake, the SBU player has 50 points in 7 games. 5.2 points per game avg for SA and KO has a 7.1 points per game average. Plus a bunch of others have better point averages, just haven't played as many games. If a season were 20 games , SA on course for a 103 point Season and KO on course for 143 point season. And many others on target for higher than 103.
In the end I am a SA and BC fan. But the T award has only ever gone to top players on championship teams or very near championship teams. BC is not that. Someone made the argument that it should go to the best player, that's what this excercise here is about. SA is a great player, that 51 points in 9 games, now 57 in eleven, is not the best in the country.


Stony Brook plays the worst teams, they have 2 hard games. That girl just stacks her points against Bryant and UNH.

So you are knocking a 20 year old who made it to the final 25 for US National team. Yeah. you know what you are talking about. You must have missed the 4 goals and 3 assist game vs Florida


You must of missed Apuzzo's 4g and 2a against the Terps. This doesn't matter neither are very good, McCool or Stukenberg depending on who wins the NCAA


How are McCool's and Stukenberg's assist numbers?
McCool and Stukenberg are not compelling choices either. They just play on Top 2 teams. There might be better all round players on Florida, Penn State etc. There has to be a reason those teams are doing so well.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC in a week gains one of the best attackers in the game, Apuzzo's numbers will only go up as the team's offense gets stronger. They will be much better in a week. And no im not this person parent nor a BC parent, i just have an opinion. She has 51 points through 9 games, most in the country


Most in the country is realative. She is the first player off the course and in the club house, the Phils and Tigers are still on the front nine.
BC has played 11 games so far, that is a lot compared to many other programs. For comparisons sake, the SBU player has 50 points in 7 games. 5.2 points per game avg for SA and KO has a 7.1 points per game average. Plus a bunch of others have better point averages, just haven't played as many games. If a season were 20 games , SA on course for a 103 point Season and KO on course for 143 point season. And many others on target for higher than 103.
In the end I am a SA and BC fan. But the T award has only ever gone to top players on championship teams or very near championship teams. BC is not that. Someone made the argument that it should go to the best player, that's what this excercise here is about. SA is a great player, that 51 points in 9 games, now 57 in eleven, is not the best in the country.


Stony Brook plays the worst teams, they have 2 hard games. That girl just stacks her points against Bryant and UNH.

So you are knocking a 20 year old who made it to the final 25 for US National team. Yeah. you know what you are talking about. You must have missed the 4 goals and 3 assist game vs Florida


You must of missed Apuzzo's 4g and 2a against the Terps. This doesn't matter neither are very good, McCool or Stukenberg depending on who wins the NCAA


McCool the PC pick, but would rather have Maggie Bill if I had to choose between the two
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC in a week gains one of the best attackers in the game, Apuzzo's numbers will only go up as the team's offense gets stronger. They will be much better in a week. And no im not this person parent nor a BC parent, i just have an opinion. She has 51 points through 9 games, most in the country


Most in the country is realative. She is the first player off the course and in the club house, the Phils and Tigers are still on the front nine.
BC has played 11 games so far, that is a lot compared to many other programs. For comparisons sake, the SBU player has 50 points in 7 games. 5.2 points per game avg for SA and KO has a 7.1 points per game average. Plus a bunch of others have better point averages, just haven't played as many games. If a season were 20 games , SA on course for a 103 point Season and KO on course for 143 point season. And many others on target for higher than 103.
In the end I am a SA and BC fan. But the T award has only ever gone to top players on championship teams or very near championship teams. BC is not that. Someone made the argument that it should go to the best player, that's what this excercise here is about. SA is a great player, that 51 points in 9 games, now 57 in eleven, is not the best in the country.


Stony Brook plays the worst teams, they have 2 hard games. That girl just stacks her points against Bryant and UNH.

So you are knocking a 20 year old who made it to the final 25 for US National team. Yeah. you know what you are talking about. You must have missed the 4 goals and 3 assist game vs Florida


You must of missed Apuzzo's 4g and 2a against the Terps. This doesn't matter neither are very good, McCool or Stukenberg depending on who wins the NCAA


McCool the PC pick, but would rather have Maggie Bill if I had to choose between the two


Yeah you already said that . You are wrong but maybe if you keep saying that others will think it also . They are both awesome players on both ends of the field but McCool is better at the draw and does not turn the ball over as much .
Will the picture get even clearer this weekend? I think the top 3 widen the gap and the rest have no hope of a championship. Unfortunate I guess.
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Will the picture get even clearer this weekend? I think the top 3 widen the gap and the rest have no hope of a championship. Unfortunate I guess.


Personally think Florida is best team. Maryland is overrated No Cummings no rings Whittle was much better when everyone was looking at Cummings
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will the picture get even clearer this weekend? I think the top 3 widen the gap and the rest have no hope of a championship. Unfortunate I guess.


Personally think Florida is best team. Maryland is overrated No Cummings no rings Whittle was much better when everyone was looking at Cummings



Dumb..... most teams were trying to shut down Whittle. She is having a great season, Maryland is the real deal. Florida is very good though and has a chance.
I think we will get a good picture when Maryland plays Florida on 3/29. Go Gators !!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will the picture get even clearer this weekend? I think the top 3 widen the gap and the rest have no hope of a championship. Unfortunate I guess.


Personally think Florida is best team. Maryland is overrated No Cummings no rings Whittle was much better when everyone was looking at Cummings



Dumb..... most teams were trying to shut down Whittle. She is having a great season, Maryland is the real deal. Florida is very good though and has a chance.




Florida has no chance. their coaching will always get exposed by Levy & Reese- sounds like NY law firm but...
Florida and UNC way more athletic tan Maryland
Is Miller a bust, or is USC's offensive set just so poorly conceived that no good player ever do well in it?
SB just beat USC. Someone explain to me how USC garners such a high ranking. No, really. They're okay, but I haven't seen anything this season to justify top 5 or 10. SB outplayed them tonight at any rate.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will the picture get even clearer this weekend? I think the top 3 widen the gap and the rest have no hope of a championship. Unfortunate I guess.


Personally think Florida is best team. Maryland is overrated No Cummings no rings Whittle was much better when everyone was looking at Cummings



Dumb..... most teams were trying to shut down Whittle. She is having a great season, Maryland is the real deal. Florida is very good though and has a chance.




Florida has no chance. their coaching will always get exposed by Levy & Reese- sounds like NY law firm but...


Sorry but just wrong , let's see Levy win one without Dowd , not going to happen even though they have the most talent of any team .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB just beat USC. Someone explain to me how USC garners such a high ranking. No, really. They're okay, but I haven't seen anything this season to justify top 5 or 10. SB outplayed them tonight at any rate.


SB brought their best game tonight. We're fans and we go to all the games. They had more fire in their bellies tonight than they've had since 2015. They were hungry again and it showed.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will the picture get even clearer this weekend? I think the top 3 widen the gap and the rest have no hope of a championship. Unfortunate I guess.


Personally think Florida is best team. Maryland is overrated No Cummings no rings Whittle was much better when everyone was looking at Cummings



Dumb..... most teams were trying to shut down Whittle. She is having a great season, Maryland is the real deal. Florida is very good though and has a chance.




Florida has no chance. their coaching will always get exposed by Levy & Reese- sounds like NY law firm but...


Sorry but just wrong , let's see Levy win one without Dowd , not going to happen even though they have the most talent of any team .

We just found Sasquatch!!! Someone who thinks Mandy O'Leary can outcoach a potted plant!! Best of luck.
Md overrated????? What a silly post. Beat them and then you can post a silly statement. They will beat Florida by 7. Which amounts to a close game against md. I have no kid going to md or a chance of it but just calling out stupidity.
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SB just beat USC. Someone explain to me how USC garners such a high ranking. No, really. They're okay, but I haven't seen anything this season to justify top 5 or 10. SB outplayed them tonight at any rate.


USC gets overrated every year as they play a weak schedule . Not sure but their record against east coast schools tells you they should be about 35-40 ranked team but the coaches have a lot of pull. The Miller kid is no bust she has never been much of an offensive threat but very good between the restraining lines . That said I got to watch the game tonight and she was not shy about shooting and has a bit of peacock in her the way she struts around . She is only a freshman playing on a not very talented team , put her on one of the top teams and she would barely see the field st this point .way too early to say a bust.
You got on here at 4 am to give back handed compliments to a college freshman that is extremely talented. It is shaping up to be an entertaining finish, yes there are three ahead of the pack but the next five are neck and neck. All of which is wonderful for the sport because the next tier is just as competitive! USC will be fine to say they should be ranked in the 30's make anything you say irrelevant. Your daughter must be proud. Just enjoy the ride the negative crap ruins what could be a great forum Dad!
Maryland should enjoy its final weekend undefeated the Gators are coming
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB just beat USC. Someone explain to me how USC garners such a high ranking. No, really. They're okay, but I haven't seen anything this season to justify top 5 or 10. SB outplayed them tonight at any rate.


USC gets overrated every year as they play a weak schedule . Not sure but their record against east coast schools tells you they should be about 35-40 ranked team but the coaches have a lot of pull. The Miller kid is no bust she has never been much of an offensive threat but very good between the restraining lines . That said I got to watch the game tonight and she was not shy about shooting and has a bit of peacock in her the way she struts around . She is only a freshman playing on a not very talented team , put her on one of the top teams and she would barely see the field st this point .way too early to say a bust.



Watched the game last night. Surprised at the limited stick skills on some of the USC players. SB faster, sticks in passing lanes, shut down their offense and goalie was lights out for SB last night. Agreed USC always gets the higher ranking, not deserved.
Not so sure about that...She is very good!
They (USC) get a lot of attention from Lax mag and more, their coaching staff has a lot of contacts and the school has big money. Last year they were very talented now they have to reload.
Not a top 5 team, maybe not a top 10 team...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB just beat USC. Someone explain to me how USC garners such a high ranking. No, really. They're okay, but I haven't seen anything this season to justify top 5 or 10. SB outplayed them tonight at any rate.


USC gets overrated every year as they play a weak schedule . Not sure but their record against east coast schools tells you they should be about 35-40 ranked team but the coaches have a lot of pull. The Miller kid is no bust she has never been much of an offensive threat but very good between the restraining lines . That said I got to watch the game tonight and she was not shy about shooting and has a bit of peacock in her the way she struts around . She is only a freshman playing on a not very talented team , put her on one of the top teams and she would barely see the field st this point .way too early to say a bust.



Watched the game last night. Surprised at the limited stick skills on some of the USC players. SB faster, sticks in passing lanes, shut down their offense and goalie was lights out for SB last night. Agreed USC always gets the higher ranking, not deserved.


USC had a trouble catching and keeping a ball in the stick. Also, defensively, more than once I saw a SB player wide open in front of the cage. That's pretty poor. The SB goalie was on fire last night.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB just beat USC. Someone explain to me how USC garners such a high ranking. No, really. They're okay, but I haven't seen anything this season to justify top 5 or 10. SB outplayed them tonight at any rate.


USC gets overrated every year as they play a weak schedule . Not sure but their record against east coast schools tells you they should be about 35-40 ranked team but the coaches have a lot of pull. The Miller kid is no bust she has never been much of an offensive threat but very good between the restraining lines . That said I got to watch the game tonight and she was not shy about shooting and has a bit of peacock in her the way she struts around . She is only a freshman playing on a not very talented team , put her on one of the top teams and she would barely see the field st this point .way too early to say a bust.



Watched the game last night. Surprised at the limited stick skills on some of the USC players. SB faster, sticks in passing lanes, shut down their offense and goalie was lights out for SB last night. Agreed USC always gets the higher ranking, not deserved.


With all that, 9-7 final...if USC is so overrated,SB should be also...win a playoff game for your commuter school would ya.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB just beat USC. Someone explain to me how USC garners such a high ranking. No, really. They're okay, but I haven't seen anything this season to justify top 5 or 10. SB outplayed them tonight at any rate.


USC gets overrated every year as they play a weak schedule . Not sure but their record against east coast schools tells you they should be about 35-40 ranked team but the coaches have a lot of pull. The Miller kid is no bust she has never been much of an offensive threat but very good between the restraining lines . That said I got to watch the game tonight and she was not shy about shooting and has a bit of peacock in her the way she struts around . She is only a freshman playing on a not very talented team , put her on one of the top teams and she would barely see the field st this point .way too early to say a bust.



Watched the game last night. Surprised at the limited stick skills on some of the USC players. SB faster, sticks in passing lanes, shut down their offense and goalie was lights out for SB last night. Agreed USC always gets the higher ranking, not deserved.


With all that, 9-7 final...if USC is so overrated,SB should be also...win a playoff game for your commuter school would ya.
Not a fan of SB by any means, that being said USC defense is very good, well schemed, There offense is just the opposite, clogging up the middle of the 8 with their own player, parking a defender there does no good at all. No chance for cutters to become open with two players in front of the goal. Munday needs to abandon that set, but I don't think it will help USC, ,ike stated above , can't hold on to the ball, unforced dropps and turnovers. SB on the other hand is tough to watch, very agressive and boarder line chep and dirty, too much play acting to get calls makes them look petty especially when it's obvious. I just don't like Spallina or the way he coaches, though he does get the best from his girls so I understand why they love him. My daughter plays for a different school but to be honest at this point I am a FLA. guy and neither of these teams can beat the top 3. IMHO SB is ranked right where they should be but USC is way over rated, and neither really plays a tough schedule in comparison to the top schools
Gators coming very soon the the top spot
Some great games on tap for today!! Let's keep this positive truthful and informative
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Gators coming very soon the the top spot

Not a Gator fan at all, but they will be tough to beat this year in the big show.
Duke is in trouble
So that was a great game last night. Electric atmosphere just as Spalinna advertised. Huge crowd (for W lax) and a ton of energy. Only negative was the obnoxious father screaming the whole time. I was rooting for the same team as this guy, and still couldn't take listening to him. Worst loud mouth parent ever. Ruined the game for many people in the stands. Tons of young kids trying to enjoy the game and this jackass is screaming curses. He should be banned from all future games. He is a parent of one of the players, he should keep himself in check, completely embarrassing himself and anyone associated with him.
SB?
I just saw where Onondaga CC women's team beat Suffolk CC 27-10. wth!!! Last week they lost to Howard CC, from Maryland, 12-4 and they DID NOT like it, plus they barely beat Anne Arundel CC 17-16 after being ahead at halftime 11-6 a couple of weeks ago. Hacking, charging, flopping, yellow cards, griping, bitching, etc. Those upstaters must have a problem with sportsmanship. Earlier this year their men's team beat Anne Arundel CC 29-9. This kind of crappy sportsmanship comes back to bite you hard eventually. Dicks.
Sounds like Onondaga added a few players
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Sounds like Onondaga added a few players




The roster on the Onondaga CC website shows 25 "exemplary sportsmen" and Monroe CC shows 26 on their roster. That's as many as some 4-year schools. During the OCC-AACC game, the ref had to stop the game and warn the OCC players about flailing around and slamming their sticks on the ground after every call against them. Nice young "ladies". Ridiculous.
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So that was a great game last night. Electric atmosphere just as Spalinna advertised. Huge crowd (for W lax) and a ton of energy. Only negative was the obnoxious father screaming the whole time. I was rooting for the same team as this guy, and still couldn't take listening to him. Worst loud mouth parent ever. Ruined the game for many people in the stands. Tons of young kids trying to enjoy the game and this jackass is screaming curses. He should be banned from all future games. He is a parent of one of the players, he should keep himself in check, completely embarrassing himself and anyone associated with him.


Classic YJ parent.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So that was a great game last night. Electric atmosphere just as Spalinna advertised. Huge crowd (for W lax) and a ton of energy. Only negative was the obnoxious father screaming the whole time. I was rooting for the same team as this guy, and still couldn't take listening to him. Worst loud mouth parent ever. Ruined the game for many people in the stands. Tons of young kids trying to enjoy the game and this jackass is screaming curses. He should be banned from all future games. He is a parent of one of the players, he should keep himself in check, completely embarrassing himself and anyone associated with him.



Let me guess, it was the father of the Hofstra transfer? He did that same crap at every game last year. Guy is a moron
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So that was a great game last night. Electric atmosphere just as Spalinna advertised. Huge crowd (for W lax) and a ton of energy. Only negative was the obnoxious father screaming the whole time. I was rooting for the same team as this guy, and still couldn't take listening to him. Worst loud mouth parent ever. Ruined the game for many people in the stands. Tons of young kids trying to enjoy the game and this jackass is screaming curses. He should be banned from all future games. He is a parent of one of the players, he should keep himself in check, completely embarrassing himself and anyone associated with him.



Let me guess, it was the father of the Hofstra transfer? He did that same crap at every game last year. Guy is a moron


Moron? that's a bit harsh. kinda just the typical LI knucklehead more like it.. a steak head
Norte dame vs Syracuse today. Predictions
Florida Maryland this week Terpys in trouble
Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.


Wasn't that close 15-10, BC with 3 late garbage goals.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Norte dame vs Syracuse today. Predictions


SU not doing well going into the half but they've pulled off comebacks before so no prediction from me.

USC whooping up on OSU. That's another program that isn't doing so well this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.


Wasn't that close 15-10, BC with 3 late garbage goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.


Wasn't that close 15-10, BC with 3 late garbage goals.


Well it's clear you have UNC allegiance. Because BC was up at half and had a lead w 20 to go
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.


Wasn't that close 15-10, BC with 3 late garbage goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.


Wasn't that close 15-10, BC with 3 late garbage goals.


Well it's clear you have UNC allegiance. Because BC was up at half and had a lead w 20 to go


Ok BC allegiance fan, put whatever spin you want on it...Can you spin the cuse, va tech and umd beatdown while your at it?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.


Wasn't that close 15-10, BC with 3 late garbage goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.


Wasn't that close 15-10, BC with 3 late garbage goals.


Well it's clear you have UNC allegiance. Because BC was up at half and had a lead w 20 to go

You really are ignorant , you say BC looks good and UNC does not in a game UNC won. The game ended up not being as close as the score but yes it was a close game for awhile. I would say UNC defense is suspect but it was good enough when they beat Florida in Florida. Maryland is the team to beat and will be in the finals again.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.


Wasn't that close 15-10, BC with 3 late garbage goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.


Wasn't that close 15-10, BC with 3 late garbage goals.


Well it's clear you have UNC allegiance. Because BC was up at half and had a lead w 20 to go

You really are ignorant , you say BC looks good and UNC does not in a game UNC won. The game ended up not being as close as the score but yes it was a close game for awhile. I would say UNC defense is suspect but it was good enough when they beat Florida in Florida. Maryland is the team to beat and will be in the finals again.


It was also Florida's first game
Gotta agree was at the NW game and couldn't take that loud mouth almost every play and he has that booming voice and was sitting or standing in the end zone so everyone could hear it and we were all bundled up cause it was freezing really took the enjoyment out of the game. I'm sure his daughter has had enough of his mouth as well. Hopefully against Colorado he will tone it down or that's it for me at Stony Brook. Thanks dad. I'm a Long Islander so I'm used to that in all the sports but this guy is the winner. For your daughter's sake tone it down they actually know what they are doing and most of the fans know the game as does your coach. I'm proud of all the LI kids on that team just can't stand listening to Dad.
Was at a game yesterday with the 90 second shot clock winding down with about 5 seconds when a Temple player lets go a wild shot to beat the clock and ended up hitting a defender square in the head. Ref gave a yellow card kid was down for about 5 minutes for some reason no coach or trainer came to check on her then the ref gives the kid the ball just above the 12 meter as little birdies are flying around her head and blows the whistle to start play. I couldn't believe what I was witnessing it was an embarrassment to the officials and the coaches. Common sense dictates to take the kid off the field and conduct some type of concussion protocol not give her the ball and blow the whistle.C'mon son😡
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Was at a game yesterday with the 90 second shot clock winding down with about 5 seconds when a Temple player lets go a wild shot to beat the clock and ended up hitting a defender square in the head. Ref gave a yellow card kid was down for about 5 minutes for some reason no coach or trainer came to check on her then the ref gives the kid the ball just above the 12 meter as little birdies are flying around her head and blows the whistle to start play. I couldn't believe what I was witnessing it was an embarrassment to the officials and the coaches. Common sense dictates to take the kid off the field and conduct some type of concussion protocol not give her the ball and blow the whistle.C'mon son😡


Sad to hear that. Exactly what was feared about when they introduced the shot clock. We are going to see a ton of this when girls get desperate with just a few seconds left on clock. It creates a tremendously dangerous situation that will have girls launching 80mph shots through the defenders just to get a shot off. The stall was brutal to watch at the end of women's games, so I get why they did it, but you may have a girl not get up off the turf next time!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Was at a game yesterday with the 90 second shot clock winding down with about 5 seconds when a Temple player lets go a wild shot to beat the clock and ended up hitting a defender square in the head. Ref gave a yellow card kid was down for about 5 minutes for some reason no coach or trainer came to check on her then the ref gives the kid the ball just above the 12 meter as little birdies are flying around her head and blows the whistle to start play. I couldn't believe what I was witnessing it was an embarrassment to the officials and the coaches. Common sense dictates to take the kid off the field and conduct some type of concussion protocol not give her the ball and blow the whistle.C'mon son😡


Sad to hear that. Exactly what was feared about when they introduced the shot clock. We are going to see a ton of this when girls get desperate with just a few seconds left on clock. It creates a tremendously dangerous situation that will have girls launching 80mph shots through the defenders just to get a shot off. The stall was brutal to watch at the end of women's games, so I get why they did it, but you may have a girl not get up off the turf next time!


Again the refs are terrible!!!!! Helmets are coming because the officiating sucks!!!

IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 27
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 9-0 400 20 1
2 North Carolina 9-1 379 2
3 Florida 8-1 358 3
4 Colorado 10-0 311 6
5 Stony Brook 8-1 304 7
6 Penn State 10-1 281 10
7 Princeton 6-1 274 5
8 Cornell 6-1 267 7
9 Southern California 7-3 230 9
10 Syracuse 8-3 220 4
11 Penn 7-2 195 11
12 Notre Dame 9-4 175 15
13 Towson 7-3 169 12
14 Denver 7-2 126 13
15 Virginia 6-4 117 19
16 Northwestern 5-5 114 14
17 Virginia Tech 11-2 83 16
18 Elon 8-2 63 20
19 Stanford 6-2 45 18
20 Duke 5-5 31 17


IWLCA Poll for Division II, March 27
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 6-0 398 18 1
2 Lindenwood 11-0 376 1 2
3 Le Moyne 6-0 364 1 3
4 Florida Southern 12-2 328 5
5 LIU Post 5-1 322 4
6 Rollins 10-2 296 7
7 Limestone 9-1 268 8
8 Queens 7-2 241 9
9 West Chester 4-1 214 6
10 Florida Tech 8-1 205 11
11 Mercyhurst 3-2 192 10
12 New Haven 5-0 177 12
13 Pace 4-1 171 14
14 NYIT 8-1 135 15
15 Regis (CO) 8-0 113 17
16 Lock Haven 4-2 103 13
17 Mercy 7-0 68 NR
18 Indiana (PA) 3-2 63 17
19 Stonehill 4-3 51 20
20 Seton Hill 4-4 41 NR
Not buying the high ranks of USC or Elon. Not so sure about Colorado either.
IWLCA Poll for Division III, March 27
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Gettysburg 8-0 400 20 2
2 College of NJ 4-0 357 3
3 Franklin & Marshall 6-1 349 4
4 Washington & Lee 8-1 344 4
5 Middlebury 5-1 328 1
6 Trinity (CT) 8-1 265 7
7 [lacrosse] 5-2 261 8
8 Bowdoin 6-1 244 15
9 Cortland 4-2 223 6
10 Ithaca 6-1 207 13
10 Catholic (DC) 4-2 207 9
12 Messiah 5-2 186 11
13 Salisbury 7-3 179 10
14 Brockport 6-0 176 12
15 William Smith 6-1 121 17
16 Mary Washington 7-4 90 16
17 Hamilton 5-3 81 18
18 St. John Fisher 3-2 47 14
19 Amherst 3-3 39 19
20 Colby 3-3 33 19

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not buying the high ranks of USC or Elon. Not so sure about Colorado either.


Colorado? If they are ranked that high, then that speaks volumes about how the middle of the rankings teams (below the big three) really have no shot at the NCAA Championship.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not buying the high ranks of USC or Elon. Not so sure about Colorado either.


Thanks for your input.
Originally Posted by baldbear
IWLCA Poll for Division III, March 27
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Gettysburg 8-0 400 20 2
2 College of NJ 4-0 357 3
3 Franklin & Marshall 6-1 349 4
4 Washington & Lee 8-1 344 4
5 Middlebury 5-1 328 1
6 Trinity (CT) 8-1 265 7
7 [lacrosse] 5-2 261 8
8 Bowdoin 6-1 244 15
9 Cortland 4-2 223 6
10 Ithaca 6-1 207 13
10 Catholic (DC) 4-2 207 9
12 Messiah 5-2 186 11
13 Salisbury 7-3 179 10
14 Brockport 6-0 176 12
15 William Smith 6-1 121 17
16 Mary Washington 7-4 90 16
17 Hamilton 5-3 81 18
18 St. John Fisher 3-2 47 14
19 Amherst 3-3 39 19
20 Colby 3-3 33 19



What's with Salisbury this year. Always a top performer is 3 early losses a concern? Always hard in D3 with recruiting and getting those transfers that crap out in D1
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not buying the high ranks of USC or Elon. Not so sure about Colorado either.


Colorado beat most impressively penn state not as impressively Northwestern. I'm buying
The bottom five almost always come down to who didn't lose the worst Duke being in any top 20 poll is embarrassing
Inside Lacrosse Rankings seem more accurate. NW lower and Duke out of Top 20.

1 Maryland (20) 9-0 419 1
2 North Carolina (1) 9-1 396 2
3 Florida 8-1 381 3
4 Colorado 10-0 340 4
5 Penn State 10-1 323 5
6 Stony Brook 8-1 309 9
7 Cornell 6-1 294 7
8 Princeton 6-1 279 6
9 Penn 7-2 228 11
10 USC 7-3 225 10
11 Syracuse 8-3 203 8
12 Virginia Tech 11-2 176 12
13 Notre Dame 9-4 164 16
14 Denver 7-2 124 13
14 Towson 7-3 124 15
16 Elon 8-2 108 14
17 Virginia 6-4 73 20
18 Boston College 8-4 70 19
19 Northwestern 5-5 69 17
20 Johns Hopkins 8-3 46 17


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not buying the high ranks of USC or Elon. Not so sure about Colorado either.


Colorado beat most impressively penn state not as impressively Northwestern. I'm buying
The bottom five almost always come down to who didn't lose the worst Duke being in any top 20 poll is embarrassing


What's happening with Duke this year? Why are they tanking?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Inside Lacrosse Rankings seem more accurate. NW lower and Duke out of Top 20.

1 Maryland (20) 9-0 419 1
2 North Carolina (1) 9-1 396 2
3 Florida 8-1 381 3
4 Colorado 10-0 340 4
5 Penn State 10-1 323 5
6 Stony Brook 8-1 309 9
7 Cornell 6-1 294 7
8 Princeton 6-1 279 6
9 Penn 7-2 228 11
10 USC 7-3 225 10
11 Syracuse 8-3 203 8
12 Virginia Tech 11-2 176 12
13 Notre Dame 9-4 164 16
14 Denver 7-2 124 13
14 Towson 7-3 124 15
16 Elon 8-2 108 14
17 Virginia 6-4 73 20
18 Boston College 8-4 70 19
19 Northwestern 5-5 69 17
20 Johns Hopkins 8-3 46 17



How does Notre Dame stay ranked so high
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not buying the high ranks of USC or Elon. Not so sure about Colorado either.


Colorado beat most impressively penn state not as impressively Northwestern. I'm buying
The bottom five almost always come down to who didn't lose the worst Duke being in any top 20 poll is embarrassing


What's happening with Duke this year? Why are they tanking?


They want the first draft pick.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Inside Lacrosse Rankings seem more accurate. NW lower and Duke out of Top 20.

1 Maryland (20) 9-0 419 1
2 North Carolina (1) 9-1 396 2
3 Florida 8-1 381 3
4 Colorado 10-0 340 4
5 Penn State 10-1 323 5
6 Stony Brook 8-1 309 9
7 Cornell 6-1 294 7
8 Princeton 6-1 279 6
9 Penn 7-2 228 11
10 USC 7-3 225 10
11 Syracuse 8-3 203 8
12 Virginia Tech 11-2 176 12
13 Notre Dame 9-4 164 16
14 Denver 7-2 124 13
14 Towson 7-3 124 15
16 Elon 8-2 108 14
17 Virginia 6-4 73 20
18 Boston College 8-4 70 19
19 Northwestern 5-5 69 17
20 Johns Hopkins 8-3 46 17



How does Notre Dame stay ranked so high


They beat last week's #4 team Syracuse (now #11).
why is Syracuse ranked so high they looked terrible.
Why is Duke tanking?

One answer could be recruiting overrated "me only" prima-donnas.

All coaches could learn something from U Conn coach:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp4mIONS51E
Originally Posted by Anonymous
why is Syracuse ranked so high they looked terrible.


Wins against BC, UMass, and NW. All were Top 20 at the time the games were played. Plus a win against UVA who is currently ranked.

If not them, who would you have in top 20?
[quote=Anonymous]Why is Duke tanking?

One answer could be recruiting overrated "me only" prima-donnas.



subtle way of saying LI head cases have poisoned the team culture. very nice

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not buying the high ranks of USC or Elon. Not so sure about Colorado either.


Colorado beat most impressively penn state not as impressively Northwestern. I'm buying
The bottom five almost always come down to who didn't lose the worst Duke being in any top 20 poll is embarrassing

We will see what Colorado is made of when they play Stony Brook this week. Clearly a huge game for both teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Why is Duke tanking?

One answer could be recruiting overrated "me only" prima-donnas.



subtle way of saying LI head cases have poisoned the team culture. very nice



Do at least 30 seconds of a roster review, 3 LI girls on a team of 35. I think the opposite is true, not offering girls until after 9th grade year has many top LI girls already committed.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not buying the high ranks of USC or Elon. Not so sure about Colorado either.


Colorado beat most impressively penn state not as impressively Northwestern. I'm buying
The bottom five almost always come down to who didn't lose the worst Duke being in any top 20 poll is embarrassing

We will see what Colorado is made of when they play Stony Brook this week. Clearly a huge game for both teams.



How is this Penn State team? Can they beat Maryland out of the Big 10.
Or maybe LI girls don't want the rigor of Duke's academics
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not buying the high ranks of USC or Elon. Not so sure about Colorado either.


Colorado beat most impressively penn state not as impressively Northwestern. I'm buying
The bottom five almost always come down to who didn't lose the worst Duke being in any top 20 poll is embarrassing

We will see what Colorado is made of when they play Stony Brook this week. Clearly a huge game for both teams.



How is this Penn State team? Can they beat Maryland out of the Big 10.


No
Interesting ranking poll from Sports Illustrated/Money magazine. It ranks the best colleges for sports lovers. The equations used is based on participation, fan experience, education and earnings potential after graduation (I guess that is where Money magazine comes in). Some may be surprised at the results.

1) Stanford
2) Notre Dame
3) Michigan
4) Duke
5) Virginia
6) North Carolina
7) Florida
8) Middlebury
9) Yale
10) Bowdoin
11) Dartmouth
12) UCLA
13) Rice
14) Maryland
15) Georgia
16) USC
17) UConn
18) Ohio St
19) Princeton
20) Texas
21) Clemson
22) Colgate
23) Lafayette
24) Boston College
25) Wisconsin

There is a lot of lacrosse programs in the top 25. Don't discount the D3 schools. There are plenty more in the next 75. There are also many lacrosse programs in there as well that may not make the top twenty in lacrosse but are great schools. For the vast majority of student athletes college is the last time they will play lacrosse. The education and opportunities after graduation is what counts. Here is the rest of the top 100.

26. University of Richmond
27. Amherst College
28. Providence College
29. Villanova University
30. Wake Forest University
31. Michigan State University
32. Harvard University
33. Bates College
34. University of Washington
35. Gettysburg College
36. Gustavus Adolphus College
37. Vanderbilt University
38. Northwestern University
39. Williams College
40. Claremont McKenna College
41. (tie) Denison University
41. (tie) Davidson College
43. Texas A&M University
44. University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
45. College of the Holy Cross
46. (tie) Syracuse University
46. (tie) Hamilton College
48. DePauw University
49. Bucknell University
50. Georgia Institute of Technology
51. McDaniel College
52. Union College
53. University of Iowa
54. Brown University
55. Pennsylvania State University
56. University of Minnesota
57. Pomona College
58. Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
59. Ursinus College
60. Tufts University
61. Georgetown University
62. Wheaton College
63. Wofford College
64. Florida State University
65. Gonzaga University
66. Westminster College
67. University of California-Berkeley
68. College of William and Mary
69. Indiana University
70. Trinity College
71. Furman University
72. University of Delaware
73. University of Oklahoma
74. Texas Christian University
75. Simpson College
76. Colby College
77. Auburn University
78. Hobart and William Smith Colleges
79. Centre College
80. Linfield College
81. Washington and Lee University
82. Brigham Young University
83. James Madison University
84. Lehigh University
85. Loras College
86. Southern Methodist University
87. (tie) Muhlenberg College
87. (tie) Rutgers University-New Brunswick
89. University of Pennsylvania
90. University of Nebraska
91. Augustana College (South Dakota)
92. (tie) Augustana College (Illinois)
92. (tie) Baylor University
94. Assumption College
95. Sewanee - The University of the South
96. The Citadel
97. University of Utah
98. Columbia University
99. Messiah College
100. Presbyterian College
Not impressed this season at all. Bad lax at best
Originally Posted by baldbear
Interesting ranking poll from Sports Illustrated/Money magazine. It ranks the best colleges for sports lovers. The equations used is based on participation, fan experience, education and earnings potential after graduation (I guess that is where Money magazine comes in). Some may be surprised at the results.

1) Stanford
2) Notre Dame
3) Michigan
4) Duke
5) Virginia
6) North Carolina
7) Florida
8) Middlebury
9) Yale
10) Bowdoin
11) Dartmouth
12) UCLA
13) Rice
14) Maryland
15) Georgia
16) USC
17) UConn
18) Ohio St
19) Princeton
20) Texas
21) Clemson
22) Colgate
23) Lafayette
24) Boston College
25) Wisconsin

There is a lot of lacrosse programs in the top 25. Don't discount the D3 schools. There are plenty more in the next 75. There are also many lacrosse programs in there as well that may not make the top twenty in lacrosse but are great schools. For the vast majority of student athletes college is the last time they will play lacrosse. The education and opportunities after graduation is what counts. Here is the rest of the top 100.

26. University of Richmond
27. Amherst College
28. Providence College
29. Villanova University
30. Wake Forest University
31. Michigan State University
32. Harvard University
33. Bates College
34. University of Washington
35. Gettysburg College
36. Gustavus Adolphus College
37. Vanderbilt University
38. Northwestern University
39. Williams College
40. Claremont McKenna College
41. (tie) Denison University
41. (tie) Davidson College
43. Texas A&M University
44. University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
45. College of the Holy Cross
46. (tie) Syracuse University
46. (tie) Hamilton College
48. DePauw University
49. Bucknell University
50. Georgia Institute of Technology
51. McDaniel College
52. Union College
53. University of Iowa
54. Brown University
55. Pennsylvania State University
56. University of Minnesota
57. Pomona College
58. Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
59. Ursinus College
60. Tufts University
61. Georgetown University
62. Wheaton College
63. Wofford College
64. Florida State University
65. Gonzaga University
66. Westminster College
67. University of California-Berkeley
68. College of William and Mary
69. Indiana University
70. Trinity College
71. Furman University
72. University of Delaware
73. University of Oklahoma
74. Texas Christian University
75. Simpson College
76. Colby College
77. Auburn University
78. Hobart and William Smith Colleges
79. Centre College
80. Linfield College
81. Washington and Lee University
82. Brigham Young University
83. James Madison University
84. Lehigh University
85. Loras College
86. Southern Methodist University
87. (tie) Muhlenberg College
87. (tie) Rutgers University-New Brunswick
89. University of Pennsylvania
90. University of Nebraska
91. Augustana College (South Dakota)
92. (tie) Augustana College (Illinois)
92. (tie) Baylor University
94. Assumption College
95. Sewanee - The University of the South
96. The Citadel
97. University of Utah
98. Columbia University
99. Messiah College
100. Presbyterian College



did I miss Alabama?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not impressed this season at all. Bad lax at best


Curious. What is your basis? Do you think the shot clock is a factor? Talent not as good?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Interesting ranking poll from Sports Illustrated/Money magazine. It ranks the best colleges for sports lovers. The equations used is based on participation, fan experience, education and earnings potential after graduation (I guess that is where Money magazine comes in). Some may be surprised at the results.

1) Stanford
2) Notre Dame
3) Michigan
4) Duke
5) Virginia
6) North Carolina
7) Florida
8) Middlebury
9) Yale
10) Bowdoin
11) Dartmouth
12) UCLA
13) Rice
14) Maryland
15) Georgia
16) USC
17) UConn
18) Ohio St
19) Princeton
20) Texas
21) Clemson
22) Colgate
23) Lafayette
24) Boston College
25) Wisconsin

There is a lot of lacrosse programs in the top 25. Don't discount the D3 schools. There are plenty more in the next 75. There are also many lacrosse programs in there as well that may not make the top twenty in lacrosse but are great schools. For the vast majority of student athletes college is the last time they will play lacrosse. The education and opportunities after graduation is what counts. Here is the rest of the top 100.

26. University of Richmond
27. Amherst College
28. Providence College
29. Villanova University
30. Wake Forest University
31. Michigan State University
32. Harvard University
33. Bates College
34. University of Washington
35. Gettysburg College
36. Gustavus Adolphus College
37. Vanderbilt University
38. Northwestern University
39. Williams College
40. Claremont McKenna College
41. (tie) Denison University
41. (tie) Davidson College
43. Texas A&M University
44. University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
45. College of the Holy Cross
46. (tie) Syracuse University
46. (tie) Hamilton College
48. DePauw University
49. Bucknell University
50. Georgia Institute of Technology
51. McDaniel College
52. Union College
53. University of Iowa
54. Brown University
55. Pennsylvania State University
56. University of Minnesota
57. Pomona College
58. Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
59. Ursinus College
60. Tufts University
61. Georgetown University
62. Wheaton College
63. Wofford College
64. Florida State University
65. Gonzaga University
66. Westminster College
67. University of California-Berkeley
68. College of William and Mary
69. Indiana University
70. Trinity College
71. Furman University
72. University of Delaware
73. University of Oklahoma
74. Texas Christian University
75. Simpson College
76. Colby College
77. Auburn University
78. Hobart and William Smith Colleges
79. Centre College
80. Linfield College
81. Washington and Lee University
82. Brigham Young University
83. James Madison University
84. Lehigh University
85. Loras College
86. Southern Methodist University
87. (tie) Muhlenberg College
87. (tie) Rutgers University-New Brunswick
89. University of Pennsylvania
90. University of Nebraska
91. Augustana College (South Dakota)
92. (tie) Augustana College (Illinois)
92. (tie) Baylor University
94. Assumption College
95. Sewanee - The University of the South
96. The Citadel
97. University of Utah
98. Columbia University
99. Messiah College
100. Presbyterian College



did I miss Alabama?

University of Pennsylvania?
I wonder how many yellow cards Onondaga got today, and how many times the refs had to stop the game and tell them to settle down and quit whining about EVERY call that went against them?
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not impressed this season at all. Bad lax at best


Curious. What is your basis? Do you think the shot clock is a factor? Talent not as good?


not the poster but agree completely. watching this Harvard / Stanford game and it is so dull. super low scoring, the ball is constantly on the ground (bumping and grinding combined with sticks with almost no pocket..) almost no long outlets in the transition. super crowded in the offensive zone, horrible spacing. just an overall tough watch...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not impressed this season at all. Bad lax at best


Curious. What is your basis? Do you think the shot clock is a factor? Talent not as good?


not the poster but agree completely. watching this Harvard / Stanford game and it is so dull. super low scoring, the ball is constantly on the ground (bumping and grinding combined with sticks with almost no pocket..) almost no long outlets in the transition. super crowded in the offensive zone, horrible spacing. just an overall tough watch...


Its only getting worse there wasn't enough talent a handful of years ago and that's why there have only been 5 winning schools in about 30 years. Now with new programs coming on board every year the talent pool becomes even more diluted. Not enough quality to fill out these rosters.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Interesting ranking poll from Sports Illustrated/Money magazine. It ranks the best colleges for sports lovers. The equations used is based on participation, fan experience, education and earnings potential after graduation (I guess that is where Money magazine comes in). Some may be surprised at the results.

1) Stanford
2) Notre Dame
3) Michigan
4) Duke
5) Virginia
6) North Carolina
7) Florida
8) Middlebury
9) Yale
10) Bowdoin
11) Dartmouth
12) UCLA
13) Rice
14) Maryland
15) Georgia
16) USC
17) UConn
18) Ohio St
19) Princeton
20) Texas
21) Clemson
22) Colgate
23) Lafayette
24) Boston College
25) Wisconsin

There is a lot of lacrosse programs in the top 25. Don't discount the D3 schools. There are plenty more in the next 75. There are also many lacrosse programs in there as well that may not make the top twenty in lacrosse but are great schools. For the vast majority of student athletes college is the last time they will play lacrosse. The education and opportunities after graduation is what counts. Here is the rest of the top 100.

26. University of Richmond
27. Amherst College
28. Providence College
29. Villanova University
30. Wake Forest University
31. Michigan State University
32. Harvard University
33. Bates College
34. University of Washington
35. Gettysburg College
36. Gustavus Adolphus College
37. Vanderbilt University
38. Northwestern University
39. Williams College
40. Claremont McKenna College
41. (tie) Denison University
41. (tie) Davidson College
43. Texas A&M University
44. University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
45. College of the Holy Cross
46. (tie) Syracuse University
46. (tie) Hamilton College
48. DePauw University
49. Bucknell University
50. Georgia Institute of Technology
51. McDaniel College
52. Union College
53. University of Iowa
54. Brown University
55. Pennsylvania State University
56. University of Minnesota
57. Pomona College
58. Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
59. Ursinus College
60. Tufts University
61. Georgetown University
62. Wheaton College
63. Wofford College
64. Florida State University
65. Gonzaga University
66. Westminster College
67. University of California-Berkeley
68. College of William and Mary
69. Indiana University
70. Trinity College
71. Furman University
72. University of Delaware
73. University of Oklahoma
74. Texas Christian University
75. Simpson College
76. Colby College
77. Auburn University
78. Hobart and William Smith Colleges
79. Centre College
80. Linfield College
81. Washington and Lee University
82. Brigham Young University
83. James Madison University
84. Lehigh University
85. Loras College
86. Southern Methodist University
87. (tie) Muhlenberg College
87. (tie) Rutgers University-New Brunswick
89. University of Pennsylvania
90. University of Nebraska
91. Augustana College (South Dakota)
92. (tie) Augustana College (Illinois)
92. (tie) Baylor University
94. Assumption College
95. Sewanee - The University of the South
96. The Citadel
97. University of Utah
98. Columbia University
99. Messiah College
100. Presbyterian College



did I miss Alabama?

University of Pennsylvania?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Interesting ranking poll from Sports Illustrated/Money magazine. It ranks the best colleges for sports lovers. The equations used is based on participation, fan experience, education and earnings potential after graduation (I guess that is where Money magazine comes in). Some may be surprised at the results.

1) Stanford
2) Notre Dame
3) Michigan
4) Duke
5) Virginia
6) North Carolina
7) Florida
8) Middlebury
9) Yale
10) Bowdoin
11) Dartmouth
12) UCLA
13) Rice
14) Maryland
15) Georgia
16) USC
17) UConn
18) Ohio St
19) Princeton
20) Texas
21) Clemson
22) Colgate
23) Lafayette
24) Boston College
25) Wisconsin

There is a lot of lacrosse programs in the top 25. Don't discount the D3 schools. There are plenty more in the next 75. There are also many lacrosse programs in there as well that may not make the top twenty in lacrosse but are great schools. For the vast majority of student athletes college is the last time they will play lacrosse. The education and opportunities after graduation is what counts. Here is the rest of the top 100.

26. University of Richmond
27. Amherst College
28. Providence College
29. Villanova University
30. Wake Forest University
31. Michigan State University
32. Harvard University
33. Bates College
34. University of Washington
35. Gettysburg College
36. Gustavus Adolphus College
37. Vanderbilt University
38. Northwestern University
39. Williams College
40. Claremont McKenna College
41. (tie) Denison University
41. (tie) Davidson College
43. Texas A&M University
44. University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
45. College of the Holy Cross
46. (tie) Syracuse University
46. (tie) Hamilton College
48. DePauw University
49. Bucknell University
50. Georgia Institute of Technology
51. McDaniel College
52. Union College
53. University of Iowa
54. Brown University
55. Pennsylvania State University
56. University of Minnesota
57. Pomona College
58. Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
59. Ursinus College
60. Tufts University
61. Georgetown University
62. Wheaton College
63. Wofford College
64. Florida State University
65. Gonzaga University
66. Westminster College
67. University of California-Berkeley
68. College of William and Mary
69. Indiana University
70. Trinity College
71. Furman University
72. University of Delaware
73. University of Oklahoma
74. Texas Christian University
75. Simpson College
76. Colby College
77. Auburn University
78. Hobart and William Smith Colleges
79. Centre College
80. Linfield College
81. Washington and Lee University
82. Brigham Young University
83. James Madison University
84. Lehigh University
85. Loras College
86. Southern Methodist University
87. (tie) Muhlenberg College
87. (tie) Rutgers University-New Brunswick
89. University of Pennsylvania
90. University of Nebraska
91. Augustana College (South Dakota)
92. (tie) Augustana College (Illinois)
92. (tie) Baylor University
94. Assumption College
95. Sewanee - The University of the South
96. The Citadel
97. University of Utah
98. Columbia University
99. Messiah College
100. Presbyterian College



did I miss Alabama?

University of Pennsylvania?


Penn #89
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Interesting ranking poll from Sports Illustrated/Money magazine. It ranks the best colleges for sports lovers. The equations used is based on participation, fan experience, education and earnings potential after graduation (I guess that is where Money magazine comes in). Some may be surprised at the results.

1) Stanford
2) Notre Dame
3) Michigan
4) Duke
5) Virginia
6) North Carolina
7) Florida
8) Middlebury
9) Yale
10) Bowdoin
11) Dartmouth
12) UCLA
13) Rice
14) Maryland
15) Georgia
16) USC
17) UConn
18) Ohio St
19) Princeton
20) Texas
21) Clemson
22) Colgate
23) Lafayette
24) Boston College
25) Wisconsin

There is a lot of lacrosse programs in the top 25. Don't discount the D3 schools. There are plenty more in the next 75. There are also many lacrosse programs in there as well that may not make the top twenty in lacrosse but are great schools. For the vast majority of student athletes college is the last time they will play lacrosse. The education and opportunities after graduation is what counts. Here is the rest of the top 100.

26. University of Richmond
27. Amherst College
28. Providence College
29. Villanova University
30. Wake Forest University
31. Michigan State University
32. Harvard University
33. Bates College
34. University of Washington
35. Gettysburg College
36. Gustavus Adolphus College
37. Vanderbilt University
38. Northwestern University
39. Williams College
40. Claremont McKenna College
41. (tie) Denison University
41. (tie) Davidson College
43. Texas A&M University
44. University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
45. College of the Holy Cross
46. (tie) Syracuse University
46. (tie) Hamilton College
48. DePauw University
49. Bucknell University
50. Georgia Institute of Technology
51. McDaniel College
52. Union College
53. University of Iowa
54. Brown University
55. Pennsylvania State University
56. University of Minnesota
57. Pomona College
58. Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
59. Ursinus College
60. Tufts University
61. Georgetown University
62. Wheaton College
63. Wofford College
64. Florida State University
65. Gonzaga University
66. Westminster College
67. University of California-Berkeley
68. College of William and Mary
69. Indiana University
70. Trinity College
71. Furman University
72. University of Delaware
73. University of Oklahoma
74. Texas Christian University
75. Simpson College
76. Colby College
77. Auburn University
78. Hobart and William Smith Colleges
79. Centre College
80. Linfield College
81. Washington and Lee University
82. Brigham Young University
83. James Madison University
84. Lehigh University
85. Loras College
86. Southern Methodist University
87. (tie) Muhlenberg College
87. (tie) Rutgers University-New Brunswick
89. University of Pennsylvania
90. University of Nebraska
91. Augustana College (South Dakota)
92. (tie) Augustana College (Illinois)
92. (tie) Baylor University
94. Assumption College
95. Sewanee - The University of the South
96. The Citadel
97. University of Utah
98. Columbia University
99. Messiah College
100. Presbyterian College



did I miss Alabama?

University of Pennsylvania?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Interesting ranking poll from Sports Illustrated/Money magazine. It ranks the best colleges for sports lovers. The equations used is based on participation, fan experience, education and earnings potential after graduation (I guess that is where Money magazine comes in). Some may be surprised at the results.

1) Stanford
2) Notre Dame
3) Michigan
4) Duke
5) Virginia
6) North Carolina
7) Florida
8) Middlebury
9) Yale
10) Bowdoin
11) Dartmouth
12) UCLA
13) Rice
14) Maryland
15) Georgia
16) USC
17) UConn
18) Ohio St
19) Princeton
20) Texas
21) Clemson
22) Colgate
23) Lafayette
24) Boston College
25) Wisconsin

There is a lot of lacrosse programs in the top 25. Don't discount the D3 schools. There are plenty more in the next 75. There are also many lacrosse programs in there as well that may not make the top twenty in lacrosse but are great schools. For the vast majority of student athletes college is the last time they will play lacrosse. The education and opportunities after graduation is what counts. Here is the rest of the top 100.

26. University of Richmond
27. Amherst College
28. Providence College
29. Villanova University
30. Wake Forest University
31. Michigan State University
32. Harvard University
33. Bates College
34. University of Washington
35. Gettysburg College
36. Gustavus Adolphus College
37. Vanderbilt University
38. Northwestern University
39. Williams College
40. Claremont McKenna College
41. (tie) Denison University
41. (tie) Davidson College
43. Texas A&M University
44. University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
45. College of the Holy Cross
46. (tie) Syracuse University
46. (tie) Hamilton College
48. DePauw University
49. Bucknell University
50. Georgia Institute of Technology
51. McDaniel College
52. Union College
53. University of Iowa
54. Brown University
55. Pennsylvania State University
56. University of Minnesota
57. Pomona College
58. Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
59. Ursinus College
60. Tufts University
61. Georgetown University
62. Wheaton College
63. Wofford College
64. Florida State University
65. Gonzaga University
66. Westminster College
67. University of California-Berkeley
68. College of William and Mary
69. Indiana University
70. Trinity College
71. Furman University
72. University of Delaware
73. University of Oklahoma
74. Texas Christian University
75. Simpson College
76. Colby College
77. Auburn University
78. Hobart and William Smith Colleges
79. Centre College
80. Linfield College
81. Washington and Lee University
82. Brigham Young University
83. James Madison University
84. Lehigh University
85. Loras College
86. Southern Methodist University
87. (tie) Muhlenberg College
87. (tie) Rutgers University-New Brunswick
89. University of Pennsylvania
90. University of Nebraska
91. Augustana College (South Dakota)
92. (tie) Augustana College (Illinois)
92. (tie) Baylor University
94. Assumption College
95. Sewanee - The University of the South
96. The Citadel
97. University of Utah
98. Columbia University
99. Messiah College
100. Presbyterian College



did I miss Alabama?

University of Pennsylvania?


Penn #89



89? Ok, if you want to major in dead end sports, or top 20 for a good job? List is silly
[quote=Anonymous]Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.[/quote

Just so ignorant .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.[/quote

Just so ignorant .



Look no farther than last year when UNC lost to both Maryland and Florida in the regular season and beat Maryland by six goals for the championship. I would not write them off just yet.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.[/quote

Just so ignorant .



Look no farther than last year when UNC lost to both Maryland and Florida in the regular season and beat Maryland by six goals for the championship. I would not write them off just yet.


They have a very good goalie, one of the best draw kids in the country, probably the most talented offense in the country, have won 26 of their last 27 games. That said not having Dowd running the offense will hurt but to say they cant keep up with any team is just stupidity.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.[/quote

Just so ignorant .


I think it less ignorance than some Florida newby that just can't be objective because their totally smitten with Mandy and her jacked up YJ players.. who by the way will never get a sniff of memorial day lacrosse this year... no shot
Maryland 6, Florida 3 at the half.
I'm watching, too. FL is getting picked apart. 10-5 with 17 mins left. Ouch. OTOH, MD's turf is rotten. The ball bounces like its tennis.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.


Wasn't that close 15-10, BC with 3 late garbage goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.


Wasn't that close 15-10, BC with 3 late garbage goals.


Well it's clear you have UNC allegiance. Because BC was up at half and had a lead w 20 to go

You really are ignorant , you say BC looks good and UNC does not in a game UNC won. The game ended up not being as close as the score but yes it was a close game for awhile. I would say UNC defense is suspect but it was good enough when they beat Florida in Florida. Maryland is the team to beat and will be in the finals again.


It was also Florida's first game

After today, it's MD first and everyone else a distant 2nd...

UNC
UF

Not at MD level yet. Maybe by playoff time??. The huge disparity of fouls between the two teams today is alarming. As it was last year with MD vs Syracuse.

Hats off to Terps. The better team today and got it done w class.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.


Wasn't that close 15-10, BC with 3 late garbage goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.


Wasn't that close 15-10, BC with 3 late garbage goals.


Well it's clear you have UNC allegiance. Because BC was up at half and had a lead w 20 to go

You really are ignorant , you say BC looks good and UNC does not in a game UNC won. The game ended up not being as close as the score but yes it was a close game for awhile. I would say UNC defense is suspect but it was good enough when they beat Florida in Florida. Maryland is the team to beat and will be in the finals again.


It was also Florida's first game

After today, it's MD first and everyone else a distant 2nd...

UNC
UF

Not at MD level yet. Maybe by playoff time??. The huge disparity of fouls between the two teams today is alarming. As it was last year with MD vs Syracuse.

Hats off to Terps. The better team today and got it done w class.



Yeah, awful lot of FL fouls. I couldn't get livestats to work so don't have numbers for comparison.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Interesting ranking poll from Sports Illustrated/Money magazine. It ranks the best colleges for sports lovers. The equations used is based on participation, fan experience, education and earnings potential after graduation (I guess that is where Money magazine comes in). Some may be surprised at the results.

1) Stanford
2) Notre Dame
3) Michigan
4) Duke
5) Virginia
6) North Carolina
7) Florida
8) Middlebury
9) Yale
10) Bowdoin
11) Dartmouth
12) UCLA
13) Rice
14) Maryland
15) Georgia
16) USC
17) UConn
18) Ohio St
19) Princeton
20) Texas
21) Clemson
22) Colgate
23) Lafayette
24) Boston College
25) Wisconsin

There is a lot of lacrosse programs in the top 25. Don't discount the D3 schools. There are plenty more in the next 75. There are also many lacrosse programs in there as well that may not make the top twenty in lacrosse but are great schools. For the vast majority of student athletes college is the last time they will play lacrosse. The education and opportunities after graduation is what counts. Here is the rest of the top 100.

26. University of Richmond
27. Amherst College
28. Providence College
29. Villanova University
30. Wake Forest University
31. Michigan State University
32. Harvard University
33. Bates College
34. University of Washington
35. Gettysburg College
36. Gustavus Adolphus College
37. Vanderbilt University
38. Northwestern University
39. Williams College
40. Claremont McKenna College
41. (tie) Denison University
41. (tie) Davidson College
43. Texas A&M University
44. University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
45. College of the Holy Cross
46. (tie) Syracuse University
46. (tie) Hamilton College
48. DePauw University
49. Bucknell University
50. Georgia Institute of Technology
51. McDaniel College
52. Union College
53. University of Iowa
54. Brown University
55. Pennsylvania State University
56. University of Minnesota
57. Pomona College
58. Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
59. Ursinus College
60. Tufts University
61. Georgetown University
62. Wheaton College
63. Wofford College
64. Florida State University
65. Gonzaga University
66. Westminster College
67. University of California-Berkeley
68. College of William and Mary
69. Indiana University
70. Trinity College
71. Furman University
72. University of Delaware
73. University of Oklahoma
74. Texas Christian University
75. Simpson College
76. Colby College
77. Auburn University
78. Hobart and William Smith Colleges
79. Centre College
80. Linfield College
81. Washington and Lee University
82. Brigham Young University
83. James Madison University
84. Lehigh University
85. Loras College
86. Southern Methodist University
87. (tie) Muhlenberg College
87. (tie) Rutgers University-New Brunswick
89. University of Pennsylvania
90. University of Nebraska
91. Augustana College (South Dakota)
92. (tie) Augustana College (Illinois)
92. (tie) Baylor University
94. Assumption College
95. Sewanee - The University of the South
96. The Citadel
97. University of Utah
98. Columbia University
99. Messiah College
100. Presbyterian College



did I miss Alabama?

University of Pennsylvania?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Interesting ranking poll from Sports Illustrated/Money magazine. It ranks the best colleges for sports lovers. The equations used is based on participation, fan experience, education and earnings potential after graduation (I guess that is where Money magazine comes in). Some may be surprised at the results.

1) Stanford
2) Notre Dame
3) Michigan
4) Duke
5) Virginia
6) North Carolina
7) Florida
8) Middlebury
9) Yale
10) Bowdoin
11) Dartmouth
12) UCLA
13) Rice
14) Maryland
15) Georgia
16) USC
17) UConn
18) Ohio St
19) Princeton
20) Texas
21) Clemson
22) Colgate
23) Lafayette
24) Boston College
25) Wisconsin

There is a lot of lacrosse programs in the top 25. Don't discount the D3 schools. There are plenty more in the next 75. There are also many lacrosse programs in there as well that may not make the top twenty in lacrosse but are great schools. For the vast majority of student athletes college is the last time they will play lacrosse. The education and opportunities after graduation is what counts. Here is the rest of the top 100.

26. University of Richmond
27. Amherst College
28. Providence College
29. Villanova University
30. Wake Forest University
31. Michigan State University
32. Harvard University
33. Bates College
34. University of Washington
35. Gettysburg College
36. Gustavus Adolphus College
37. Vanderbilt University
38. Northwestern University
39. Williams College
40. Claremont McKenna College
41. (tie) Denison University
41. (tie) Davidson College
43. Texas A&M University
44. University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
45. College of the Holy Cross
46. (tie) Syracuse University
46. (tie) Hamilton College
48. DePauw University
49. Bucknell University
50. Georgia Institute of Technology
51. McDaniel College
52. Union College
53. University of Iowa
54. Brown University
55. Pennsylvania State University
56. University of Minnesota
57. Pomona College
58. Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
59. Ursinus College
60. Tufts University
61. Georgetown University
62. Wheaton College
63. Wofford College
64. Florida State University
65. Gonzaga University
66. Westminster College
67. University of California-Berkeley
68. College of William and Mary
69. Indiana University
70. Trinity College
71. Furman University
72. University of Delaware
73. University of Oklahoma
74. Texas Christian University
75. Simpson College
76. Colby College
77. Auburn University
78. Hobart and William Smith Colleges
79. Centre College
80. Linfield College
81. Washington and Lee University
82. Brigham Young University
83. James Madison University
84. Lehigh University
85. Loras College
86. Southern Methodist University
87. (tie) Muhlenberg College
87. (tie) Rutgers University-New Brunswick
89. University of Pennsylvania
90. University of Nebraska
91. Augustana College (South Dakota)
92. (tie) Augustana College (Illinois)
92. (tie) Baylor University
94. Assumption College
95. Sewanee - The University of the South
96. The Citadel
97. University of Utah
98. Columbia University
99. Messiah College
100. Presbyterian College



did I miss Alabama?

University of Pennsylvania?


Penn #89



89? Ok, if you want to major in dead end sports, or top 20 for a good job? List is silly


It's the metrics of the list that plays a large part in the rankings. It comes from two reputable sources and was featured in SI so I threw it out there. All in all a lot of lacrosse schools.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not buying the high ranks of USC or Elon. Not so sure about Colorado either.


Colorado beat most impressively penn state not as impressively Northwestern. I'm buying
The bottom five almost always come down to who didn't lose the worst Duke being in any top 20 poll is embarrassing

We will see what Colorado is made of when they play Stony Brook this week. Clearly a huge game for both teams.



How is this Penn State team? Can they beat Maryland out of the Big 10.


No

Penn State will beat Maryland like they did last year.



Crickets in Gator country!
Final Four predictions:

1 - Maryland
2 - North Carolina
3 - ???
4 - ???

Who will come on strong come tournament time?

Florida - Very good team. off day on the road at MD. should cruise the rest of the regular season.

Colorado - Putting together a great year. Big win on the road at Penn State. Two games in three days a long way from home will not end well at Stony brook.

Penn State - They were there last year. Will most likely play Maryland twice before the tournament, being battle tested will help prepare them in the NCAA Tournament.

Stony Brook - Easier schedule than most. They should be well rested for the tournament but not sure if they will be prepared.

Cornell, Princeton, Penn: - All three Ivy's are tough. All three play tough non league schedules. Teams could see each other a third time in the NCAA's.

USC - As much of a chance as anyone else.

The rest of the field - Can their be a real surprise ? Syracuse, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Virginia, Boston College, Virginia Tech???

I think it's wide open for a team that get favorable draw and plays well at the right time.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crickets in Gator country!


justifiably so. if she couldn't go all the way with Cullen, Gilroy, Farrell and that group of atheltic studs that had an 8 goal lead over SU in the semifinals???

then how in the world is this group of cobbled together lax rats ever gonna get it done? no shot, not in the same time zone as the all around athletes UNC and MD stockpile..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crickets in Gator country!


justifiably so. if she couldn't go all the way with Cullen, Gilroy, Farrell and that group of atheltic studs that had an 8 goal lead over SU in the semifinals???

then how in the world is this group of cobbled together lax rats ever gonna get it done? no shot, not in the same time zone as the all around athletes UNC and MD stockpile..


Not a major fan of either. However have to give it to Megan Taylor 20 Saves WOW.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Final Four predictions:

1 - Maryland
2 - North Carolina
3 - ???
4 - ???

Who will come on strong come tournament time?

Florida - Very good team. off day on the road at MD. should cruise the rest of the regular season.

Colorado - Putting together a great year. Big win on the road at Penn State. Two games in three days a long way from home will not end well at Stony brook.

Penn State - They were there last year. Will most likely play Maryland twice before the tournament, being battle tested will help prepare them in the NCAA Tournament.

Stony Brook - Easier schedule than most. They should be well rested for the tournament but not sure if they will be prepared.

Cornell, Princeton, Penn: - All three Ivy's are tough. All three play tough non league schedules. Teams could see each other a third time in the NCAA's.

USC - As much of a chance as anyone else.

The rest of the field - Can their be a real surprise ? Syracuse, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Virginia, Boston College, Virginia Tech???

I think it's wide open for a team that get favorable draw and plays well at the right time.


No way do SB or USC end up in top 4. I say playing on MD's crap field probably hurt the FL. I think they could be 3 or 4 in the finals. I need to find out more about CO.

In other news, I caught the tail end of Duke vs. Elon last night. Not so impressed either way. Duke had some terrible defense. Elon goalie made some great stops. All in all, watching FL vs. MD made Duke vs. Elon look like a slow game. They were on a whole other level.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida Maryland this week Terpys in trouble


They came... They saw.... They got their [lacrosse] kicked
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Why is Duke tanking?

One answer could be recruiting overrated "me only" prima-donnas.



subtle way of saying LI head cases have poisoned the team culture. very nice



Do at least 30 seconds of a roster review, 3 LI girls on a team of 35. I think the opposite is true, not offering girls until after 9th grade year has many top LI girls already committed.





This is not the case, just last year they committed at least one 9th grader (CSH), I'm sure there were others. Appears they aren't attracting top talent, they only beat Elon by 1.
Florida has great talent and speed but tough to beat a team like MD when you have 55 fouls to only 19, and give up 14 free position shots. MD never beats themselves and thrives on great defense and this year goal keeping.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Florida has great talent and speed but tough to beat a team like MD when you have 55 fouls to only 19, and give up 14 free position shots. MD never beats themselves and thrives on great defense and this year goal keeping.


Holy hack, Batman! I had to look up those stats but you weren't kidding! That's a lot of hacking. And FL got 9 yellow cards.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Final Four predictions:

1 - Maryland
2 - North Carolina
3 - ???
4 - ???

Who will come on strong come tournament time?

Florida - Very good team. off day on the road at MD. should cruise the rest of the regular season.

Colorado - Putting together a great year. Big win on the road at Penn State. Two games in three days a long way from home will not end well at Stony brook.

Penn State - They were there last year. Will most likely play Maryland twice before the tournament, being battle tested will help prepare them in the NCAA Tournament.

Stony Brook - Easier schedule than most. They should be well rested for the tournament but not sure if they will be prepared.

Cornell, Princeton, Penn: - All three Ivy's are tough. All three play tough non league schedules. Teams could see each other a third time in the NCAA's.

USC - As much of a chance as anyone else.

The rest of the field - Can their be a real surprise ? Syracuse, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Virginia, Boston College, Virginia Tech???

I think it's wide open for a team that get favorable draw and plays well at the right time.



Penn State will be in top 4.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Why is Duke tanking?

One answer could be recruiting overrated "me only" prima-donnas.



subtle way of saying LI head cases have poisoned the team culture. very nice




Do at least 30 seconds of a roster review, 3 LI girls on a team of 35. I think the opposite is true, not offering girls until after 9th grade year has many top LI girls already committed.





This is not the case, just last year they committed at least one 9th grader (CSH), I'm sure there were others. Appears they aren't attracting top talent, they only beat Elon by 1.


You must be really stupid . Now you are blaming future players for current losses. Elon is better than you think .
Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be really stupid . Now you are blaming future players for current losses. Elon is better than you think .


Please discuss Elon. Strengths and weaknesses. I watched a bit last night and meh. Nothing wow.
]Why is Duke tanking?

One answer could be recruiting overrated "me only" prima-donnas.



subtle way of saying LI head cases have poisoned the team culture. very nice

[/quote]


Do at least 30 seconds of a roster review, 3 LI girls on a team of 35. I think the opposite is true, not offering girls until after 9th grade year has many top LI girls already committed.


[/quote]


This is not the case, just last year they committed at least one 9th grader (CSH), I'm sure there were others. Appears they aren't attracting top talent, they only beat Elon by 1.[/quote]

You must be really stupid . Now you are blaming future players for current losses. Elon is better than you think .[/quote]
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why is Duke tanking?

No I was 1st responding to quote about Duke not recruiting 9th graders. Then I was making a separate comment on last nights game. Thought it was simple enough to follow, clearly I should've been more specific so you could follow along.

The West can't play against the East. No threat West of Chacago
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Why is Duke tanking?

One answer could be recruiting overrated "me only" prima-donnas.



subtle way of saying LI head cases have poisoned the team culture. very nice



Do at least 30 seconds of a roster review, 3 LI girls on a team of 35. I think the opposite is true, not offering girls until after 9th grade year has many top LI girls already committed.





This is not the case, just last year they committed at least one 9th grader (CSH), I'm sure there were others. Appears they aren't attracting top talent, they only beat Elon by 1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Why is Duke tanking?

One answer could be recruiting overrated "me only" prima-donnas.



subtle way of saying LI head cases have poisoned the team culture. very nice



Do at least 30 seconds of a roster review, 3 LI girls on a team of 35. I think the opposite is true, not offering girls until after 9th grade year has many top LI girls already committed.





This is not the case, just last year they committed at least one 9th grader (CSH), I'm sure there were others. Appears they aren't attracting top talent, they only beat Elon by 1.


Summer after 9th and a sibling of current player.
C U later
Not too many intriguing match ups today. Few ACC
Monroe CC 36, North Country CC 0. What the F? What kind of coach would allow his team to score that many goals in a game against an obviously out-manned opponent? They had to know, going into the game, that they would win by a lot. But, then to allow this kind of thing to happen under his watch is a disgrace.
It was 24-0 at halftime, and he allowed his team to score 12 more in the 2nd half. Horrible sportsmanship. This will come back to haunt them. Onondaga is their next opponent, who is also not known for their sportsmanship. Could be an interesting game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was 24-0 at halftime, and he allowed his team to score 12 more in the 2nd half. Horrible sportsmanship. This will come back to haunt them. Onondaga is their next opponent, who is also not known for their sportsmanship. Could be an interesting game.



By the way...there's no shot clock in NJCAA games. No reason to force a shot or beat the clock.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was 24-0 at halftime, and he allowed his team to score 12 more in the 2nd half. Horrible sportsmanship. This will come back to haunt them. Onondaga is their next opponent, who is also not known for their sportsmanship. Could be an interesting game.



By the way...there's no shot clock in NJCAA games. No reason to force a shot or beat the clock.



36-0 is ridiculous. That coach just put a HUGE target on his teams back. Onondaga, Anne Arundel and Howard are their next three opponents, all on the road. Anne Arundel and Howard are back-to-back days. These are the four best teams in the NJCAA.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was 24-0 at halftime, and he allowed his team to score 12 more in the 2nd half. Horrible sportsmanship. This will come back to haunt them. Onondaga is their next opponent, who is also not known for their sportsmanship. Could be an interesting game.



By the way...there's no shot clock in NJCAA games. No reason to force a shot or beat the clock.



36-0 is ridiculous. That coach just put a HUGE target on his teams back. Onondaga, Anne Arundel and Howard are their next three opponents, all on the road. Anne Arundel and Howard are back-to-back days. These are the four best teams in the NJCAA.



I just watched a little of the stream of the game and there was no slow-down on MCC's part. I fast-forwarded to the 2nd half and the score was 28-0. MCC drove hard to the goal and fired a shot, like they were trailing 0-28. NCCC only had 2 shots, which tells me that MCC was also playing some pressure defense, and that their poor sportsmanship wasn't just confined to the offensive end.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was 24-0 at halftime, and he allowed his team to score 12 more in the 2nd half. Horrible sportsmanship. This will come back to haunt them. Onondaga is their next opponent, who is also not known for their sportsmanship. Could be an interesting game.



By the way...there's no shot clock in NJCAA games. No reason to force a shot or beat the clock.



36-0 is ridiculous. That coach just put a HUGE target on his teams back. Onondaga, Anne Arundel and Howard are their next three opponents, all on the road. Anne Arundel and Howard are back-to-back days. These are the four best teams in the NJCAA.



I just watched a little of the stream of the game and there was no slow-down on MCC's part. I fast-forwarded to the 2nd half and the score was 28-0. MCC drove hard to the goal and fired a shot, like they were trailing 0-28. NCCC only had 2 shots, which tells me that MCC was also playing some pressure defense, and that their poor sportsmanship wasn't just confined to the offensive end.


Wow, that's pretty poor. I can only hope karma comes around and MCC gets their well-deserved comeuppance.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was 24-0 at halftime, and he allowed his team to score 12 more in the 2nd half. Horrible sportsmanship. This will come back to haunt them. Onondaga is their next opponent, who is also not known for their sportsmanship. Could be an interesting game.



By the way...there's no shot clock in NJCAA games. No reason to force a shot or beat the clock.



36-0 is ridiculous. That coach just put a HUGE target on his teams back. Onondaga, Anne Arundel and Howard are their next three opponents, all on the road. Anne Arundel and Howard are back-to-back days. These are the four best teams in the NJCAA.



I just watched a little of the stream of the game and there was no slow-down on MCC's part. I fast-forwarded to the 2nd half and the score was 28-0. MCC drove hard to the goal and fired a shot, like they were trailing 0-28. NCCC only had 2 shots, which tells me that MCC was also playing some pressure defense, and that their poor sportsmanship wasn't just confined to the offensive end.


Wow, that's pretty poor. I can only hope karma comes around and MCC gets their well-deserved comeuppance.



I do too. The fans are still loudly cheering even when those late goals were scored, as if it was a tight game.
Crazy that these games even get watched except parents. I hope that it's parents or players posting.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crazy that these games even get watched except parents. I hope that it's parents or players posting.



They do get watched. Sometimes, depending on the weather, they have good crowds. More than some lower NCAA games. I've been to D1 NCAA games and there'd only be like 50 people there. The top 4 NJCAA teams (Anne Arundel, Howard, Monroe and Onondaga) regularly schedule NCAA D2 and D3 and NAIA teams for scrimmages to prepare for the season and generally do VERY well. Every year, quite a few girls on these top 4 teams move on to all divisions of NCAA and NAIA, if they want to. So, yes...people do come out to watch. Granted, it's mostly parents, but how is that any different than any other women's lacrosse game (except for the Maryland's, UNC's, etc)? And, why do you hope it's a player or parent posting?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crazy that these games even get watched except parents. I hope that it's parents or players posting.



They do get watched. Sometimes, depending on the weather, they have good crowds. More than some lower NCAA games. I've been to D1 NCAA games and there'd only be like 50 people there. The top 4 NJCAA teams (Anne Arundel, Howard, Monroe and Onondaga) regularly schedule NCAA D2 and D3 and NAIA teams for scrimmages to prepare for the season and generally do VERY well. Every year, quite a few girls on these top 4 teams move on to all divisions of NCAA and NAIA, if they want to. So, yes...people do come out to watch. Granted, it's mostly parents, but how is that any different than any other women's lacrosse game (except for the Maryland's, UNC's, etc)? And, why do you hope it's a player or parent posting?


Didn't say they weren't any good. I guess you are the worlds only women's juco lacrosse junkie. Good for you weirdo.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crazy that these games even get watched except parents. I hope that it's parents or players posting.



They do get watched. Sometimes, depending on the weather, they have good crowds. More than some lower NCAA games. I've been to D1 NCAA games and there'd only be like 50 people there. The top 4 NJCAA teams (Anne Arundel, Howard, Monroe and Onondaga) regularly schedule NCAA D2 and D3 and NAIA teams for scrimmages to prepare for the season and generally do VERY well. Every year, quite a few girls on these top 4 teams move on to all divisions of NCAA and NAIA, if they want to. So, yes...people do come out to watch. Granted, it's mostly parents, but how is that any different than any other women's lacrosse game (except for the Maryland's, UNC's, etc)? And, why do you hope it's a player or parent posting?


Didn't say they weren't any good. I guess you are the worlds only women's juco lacrosse junkie. Good for you weirdo.



True. You didn't say they weren't good, but you implied it by saying that you can't believe these games even get watched. I'd rather watch a juco team full of players that really love to play rather than Stony Brook.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crazy that these games even get watched except parents. I hope that it's parents or players posting.



They do get watched. Sometimes, depending on the weather, they have good crowds. More than some lower NCAA games. I've been to D1 NCAA games and there'd only be like 50 people there. The top 4 NJCAA teams (Anne Arundel, Howard, Monroe and Onondaga) regularly schedule NCAA D2 and D3 and NAIA teams for scrimmages to prepare for the season and generally do VERY well. Every year, quite a few girls on these top 4 teams move on to all divisions of NCAA and NAIA, if they want to. So, yes...people do come out to watch. Granted, it's mostly parents, but how is that any different than any other women's lacrosse game (except for the Maryland's, UNC's, etc)? And, why do you hope it's a player or parent posting?


Didn't say they weren't any good. I guess you are the worlds only women's juco lacrosse junkie. Good for you weirdo.



True. You didn't say they weren't good, but you implied it by saying that you can't believe these games even get watched. I'd rather watch a juco team full of players that really love to play rather than Stony Brook.



Stonybrook is pretty entertaining I'm told, but I only watch when I have close relatives involved and I have to. Anyone else who can watche a 20+ goal juco blowout must have a lot of free time on their hands.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crazy that these games even get watched except parents. I hope that it's parents or players posting.



They do get watched. Sometimes, depending on the weather, they have good crowds. More than some lower NCAA games. I've been to D1 NCAA games and there'd only be like 50 people there. The top 4 NJCAA teams (Anne Arundel, Howard, Monroe and Onondaga) regularly schedule NCAA D2 and D3 and NAIA teams for scrimmages to prepare for the season and generally do VERY well. Every year, quite a few girls on these top 4 teams move on to all divisions of NCAA and NAIA, if they want to. So, yes...people do come out to watch. Granted, it's mostly parents, but how is that any different than any other women's lacrosse game (except for the Maryland's, UNC's, etc)? And, why do you hope it's a player or parent posting?


Didn't say they weren't any good. I guess you are the worlds only women's juco lacrosse junkie. Good for you weirdo.



True. You didn't say they weren't good, but you implied it by saying that you can't believe these games even get watched. I'd rather watch a juco team full of players that really love to play rather than Stony Brook.



Stonybrook is pretty entertaining I'm told, but I only watch when I have close relatives involved and I have to. Anyone else who can watche a 20+ goal juco blowout must have a lot of free time on their hands.


Huge crowd at the USC vs SB game. At least 3,000 people. Maybe more. Big crowd for Northwestern but not as big as USC game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crazy that these games even get watched except parents. I hope that it's parents or players posting.



They do get watched. Sometimes, depending on the weather, they have good crowds. More than some lower NCAA games. I've been to D1 NCAA games and there'd only be like 50 people there. The top 4 NJCAA teams (Anne Arundel, Howard, Monroe and Onondaga) regularly schedule NCAA D2 and D3 and NAIA teams for scrimmages to prepare for the season and generally do VERY well. Every year, quite a few girls on these top 4 teams move on to all divisions of NCAA and NAIA, if they want to. So, yes...people do come out to watch. Granted, it's mostly parents, but how is that any different than any other women's lacrosse game (except for the Maryland's, UNC's, etc)? And, why do you hope it's a player or parent posting?


Didn't say they weren't any good. I guess you are the worlds only women's juco lacrosse junkie. Good for you weirdo.



True. You didn't say they weren't good, but you implied it by saying that you can't believe these games even get watched. I'd rather watch a juco team full of players that really love to play rather than Stony Brook.



Stonybrook is pretty entertaining I'm told, but I only watch when I have close relatives involved and I have to. Anyone else who can watche a 20+ goal juco blowout must have a lot of free time on their hands.


Huge crowd at the USC vs SB game. At least 3,000 people. Maybe more. Big crowd for Northwestern but not as big as USC game.



1000 at NW and 2500 at USC. Pretty nice.
And I get how going to the game with some young kids can be good inexpensive entertainment. I understand the attraction,, but it's not for me. But the crazy that started this is watching community college women's lax on a live stream. CooCoo
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And I get how going to the game with some young kids can be good inexpensive entertainment. I understand the attraction,, but it's not for me. But the crazy that started this is watching community college women's lax on a live stream. CooCoo



How are they crazy for watching a juco game on a live stream? People also watch high school games on live streams. Are they crazy too? Oh, and let me guess...If YOU watch a game on live stream, you're NOT crazy because it's your kid or you have a vested interest in the game or some other crap reason. Get a life and worry about your own seedlings, [lacrosse] LI'er.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And I get how going to the game with some young kids can be good inexpensive entertainment. I understand the attraction,, but it's not for me. But the crazy that started this is watching community college women's lax on a live stream. CooCoo



How are they crazy for watching a juco game on a live stream? People also watch high school games on live streams. Are they crazy too? Oh, and let me guess...If YOU watch a game on live stream, you're NOT crazy because it's your kid or you have a vested interest in the game or some other crap reason. Get a life and worry about your own seedlings, [lacrosse] LI'er.

Wouldn't watch anything like that on live stream. One camera, bad picture, need I go on?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And I get how going to the game with some young kids can be good inexpensive entertainment. I understand the attraction,, but it's not for me. But the crazy that started this is watching community college women's lax on a live stream. CooCoo



How are they crazy for watching a juco game on a live stream? People also watch high school games on live streams. Are they crazy too? Oh, and let me guess...If YOU watch a game on live stream, you're NOT crazy because it's your kid or you have a vested interest in the game or some other crap reason. Get a life and worry about your own seedlings, [lacrosse] LI'er.

Wouldn't watch anything like that on live stream. One camera, bad picture, need I go on?


it could be a bit nuts in the sense that there are dozens of ESPN D1 games that can be streamed. the resolution, the quality of the play, etc. will be much higher. but to each his own ultimately...
Okay, I livestream games when I've got nothing else going on and the time. It's not a crime. I like to see how the "bigs" are doing (my daughter plays on a top 50 team but not top 20) or a team I know her team will play, or a team where one of her friends or former teammates plays. I may or may not watch the whole thing.

Sometimes the camerawork is great and so is the commentary (shoutout to the woman who does Stony Brook, she's great). Sometimes the camerawork is so bad I cannot watch. Best time ever was a few years ago, streaming a CT team and I forget who, but the booth guys had a live mic and started trash talking each other, clueless that it was being broadcast.
Now there is a good reason
IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 3
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 11-0 400 20 1
2 North Carolina 11-1 380 2
3 Florida 9-2 360 3
4 Stony Brook 10-1 334 5
5 Penn State 12-1 304 6
6 Colorado 11-1 297 4
7 Princeton 8-1 287 7
8 Cornell 7-1 251 8
9 Southern California 9-3 222 9
10 Penn 8-2 221 11
11 Syracuse 9-4 190 10
12 Notre Dame 9-5 180 12
13 Denver 8-2 128 14
14 Towson 7-4 114 13
15 Virginia 7-5 106 15
16 Northwestern 6-6 105 16
17 Boston College. 10-4 79 NR
18 James Madison 7-5 61 NR
19 Elon. 8-3 45 18
20 Virginia Tech 11-4 42. 17
The thread was temporarily hijacked, but now getting back to the point: Monroe 36 - North Country 0.
IWLCA Poll for Division II, April 3
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 8-0 396 16 1
2 Lindenwood 14-0 381 3 2
3 Le Moyne 8-0 361 1 3
4 Florida Southern 13-2 336 4
5 Rollins 10-2 305 6
6 LIU Post 7-1 304 5
7 Limestone 10-1 280 7
8 Queens 8-2 257 8
9 Florida Tech 8-2 247 10
10 Mercyhurst 5-2 198 11
11 West Chester 5-2 181 9
12 New Haven 7-0 177 12
13 Pace 7-1 173 13
14 NYIT 9-1 135 14
15 Regis (CO) 8-0 118 15
16 Lock Haven 6-3 111 16
17 Mercy 9-0 89 17
18 Seton Hill 5-4 58 20
19 Stonehill 4-5 43 19
20 Indiana (PA) 4-3 15 18
IWLCA Poll for Division III, April 3
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Franklin & Marshall 8-1 385 10 3
2 College of NJ 5-1 374 8 2
3 Washington & Lee 9-1 354 2 4
4 Middlebury 7-2 344 5
5 Gettysburg 8-2 313 1
6 Trinity (CT) 9-1 310 6
7 [lacrosse] 8-2 277 7
8 Bowdoin 6-2 257 8
9 Cortland 5-2 239 9
10 Ithaca 8-1 221 10
11 Catholic (DC) 6-2 204 10
12 Messiah 7-2 186 12
13 Salisbury 9-3 165 13
14 William Smith 8-1 139 15
15 Hamilton 6-3 87 17
16 Mary Washington 9-4 86 16
17 Brockport 7-1 78 14
18 St. John Fisher 4-3 70 18
19 Colby 5-3 35 20
20 Muhlenberg 7-1 33 NR
If Virginia Tech #20 D1 played Adelphi #1 D2
what would the final score be?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Virginia Tech #20 D1 played Adelphi #1 D2
what would the final score be?


not 36-0
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]If Virginia Tech #20 D1 played Adelphi #1 D2
what would the final score be?


not 36-0[/quote

VA Tech wins easily. They have 3 top 20 losses and Louisville who received votes and is probably 21 or 22. Adelphi is tremendous program but that is a big step up in weight class.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Virginia Tech #20 D1 played Adelphi #1 D2
what would the final score be?


I would suspect not that competitive. The best D3, however, would do well against the best D2. Last year D3 Hamilton beat eventual D2 champ Florida Southern. In fact it was Florida Southern's last loss.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Virginia Tech #20 D1 played Adelphi #1 D2
what would the final score be?


not 36-0



Awesome!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Virginia Tech #20 D1 played Adelphi #1 D2
what would the final score be?


not 36-0


17-4
How much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The thread was temporarily hijacked, but now getting back to the point: Monroe 36 - North Country 0.


LOL I think the point was made!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The thread was temporarily hijacked, but now getting back to the point: Monroe 36 - North Country 0.


LOL I think the point was made!



Yep
Adelphi would beat a team like BC or Gtown I feel.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Adelphi would beat a team like BC or Gtown I feel.

This is a joke I hope
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Adelphi would beat a team like BC or Gtown I feel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Adelphi would beat a team like BC or Gtown I feel.


Lololol not a chance.
va 12 Adlephi 7
Adelphi would win 1 or 2 out of 10
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Adelphi would beat a team like BC or Gtown I feel.


Never happen.

BC gave UNC a game. Scored 12 goals against MD.

Georgetown beat UConn, lost to Hopkins in OT, scored 8 vs Towson in a loss. Plays a tough schedule.

VA Tech has two losses in OT. Beat Duke (#22) and BC(#17). Losses to Louisville (#21) JMU (#18) and Elon (#19) and UNC.

Not to diminish the talent on Adelphi but they are not in the same league as teams mentioned. Start w/ Manhattan, Quinnipiac, Sacred Heart and Iona and you may have a discussion...
Le Moyne came to D2 from D1 in 2010 and has been a powerhouse ever since. They have consistently been in the top 4 and have made the NCAAs every year. In 2009 at the D1 level Le Moyne was 5-12 and lax power had them 65th in the country and that was when D1 had under 100 teams. Adelphi is a great D2 program, however at best somewhere in the 30s at the D1 level.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Le Moyne came to D2 from D1 in 2010 and has been a powerhouse ever since. They have consistently been in the top 4 and have made the NCAAs every year. In 2009 at the D1 level Le Moyne was 5-12 and lax power had them 65th in the country and that was when D1 had under 100 teams. Adelphi is a great D2 program, however at best somewhere in the 30s at the D1 level.


I agree they are probably around #40 after that the lacrosse play is quite average
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Le Moyne came to D2 from D1 in 2010 and has been a powerhouse ever since. They have consistently been in the top 4 and have made the NCAAs every year. In 2009 at the D1 level Le Moyne was 5-12 and lax power had them 65th in the country and that was when D1 had under 100 teams. Adelphi is a great D2 program, however at best somewhere in the 30s at the D1 level.


I agree they are probably around #40 after that the lacrosse play is quite average


About right. I would say the top 5 D2 schools would land right in the midway point of D1, that's the 40-50 range. Maybe on a good day compete with a D1 team hovering near the top 20. And yes they would smoke many of the bottom teams.
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??


Dukes season ended 5 weeks ago
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Le Moyne came to D2 from D1 in 2010 and has been a powerhouse ever since. They have consistently been in the top 4 and have made the NCAAs every year. In 2009 at the D1 level Le Moyne was 5-12 and lax power had them 65th in the country and that was when D1 had under 100 teams. Adelphi is a great D2 program, however at best somewhere in the 30s at the D1 level.


I agree they are probably around #40 after that the lacrosse play is quite average


About right. I would say the top 5 D2 schools would land right in the midway point of D1, that's the 40-50 range. Maybe on a good day compete with a D1 team hovering near the top 20. And yes they would smoke many of the bottom teams.



My daughter plays on a D1 team that hovers around #100. They have a great time, get to travel, get cool equipment, all the girls got some athletic money (so my daughter will always be able to say she was a D1 scholarship player) but honestly her old club team could have probably beat her college team. She plays a lot but sometimes I cringe watching just like i did when I watched her play in HS but she is having a blast. Enjoy the ride everyone. PS she got to take the major she wanted.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??


Dukes season ended 5 weeks ago


huh?

what's with Notre Dame winning by 20 goals?? trying to redefine low class no sportsmanship??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??


Dukes season ended 5 weeks ago


huh?

what's with Notre Dame winning by 20 goals?? trying to redefine low class no sportsmanship??


or a team following the lead of their stat-padding YJ?? total joke. low brow born and bred.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??


Dukes season ended 5 weeks ago


huh?

what's with Notre Dame winning by 20 goals?? trying to redefine low class no sportsmanship??



20? That's nothing. Monroe CC beat the crap outta North Country CC 36-0 a week ago, so I think the coach/admin at Monroe have set the lowest of low standards for no sportsmanship. Can't get lower than them.
Funny mighty ND promoting record performance in non conference game against a young poor lacrosse opponent. Why ND would schedule many ofmtheir non conference games is puzzling. Liberty, Kennesaw st.etc
I think you may be way off here, I have watched Adelphi and CW Post play a few years ago and some years those teams had quite a few girls who were "division 1" Players.(Please you have to get over this D1 there are sooo many girls playing now and in the past playing D2 AND D3 that are better players then girls on D1 teams. As far as being a top 20 team maybe not every year but a few of those teams had the a good chance.
You should go and watch these teams play each other usually a good game. By the way go watch a top 10 team play a lower ranked team 20 thru 40 and let me know how good the game was!

Enjoy the games
But get over the D1 players, teams are that much better!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??


Dukes season ended 5 weeks ago


huh?

what's with Notre Dame winning by 20 goals?? trying to redefine low class no sportsmanship??



20? That's nothing. Monroe CC beat the crap outta North Country CC 36-0 a week ago, so I think the coach/admin at Monroe have set the lowest of low standards for no sportsmanship. Can't get lower than them.


We know (from you)! We don't care. Get over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??


Dukes season ended 5 weeks ago


huh?

what's with Notre Dame winning by 20 goals?? trying to redefine low class no sportsmanship??



20? That's nothing. Monroe CC beat the crap outta North Country CC 36-0 a week ago, so I think the coach/admin at Monroe have set the lowest of low standards for no sportsmanship. Can't get lower than them.


We know (from you)! We don't care. Get over it.




And that's part of the problem. You statement that "We don't care" says a lot about you. Why do you care if ND beats Kennesaw St by 20 but you don't care if some other school wins by 36-0?
When Spalina took all his Adelphi girls to Stony Brook they jumped into the top 20 almost over night. Those Adelphi ladies were D1 players playing D2.

Check the D1 egos unless your kid plays on a top 25 team
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??


Dukes season ended 5 weeks ago


huh?

what's with Notre Dame winning by 20 goals?? trying to redefine low class no sportsmanship??



20? That's nothing. Monroe CC beat the crap outta North Country CC 36-0 a week ago, so I think the coach/admin at Monroe have set the lowest of low standards for no sportsmanship. Can't get lower than them.


We know (from you)! We don't care. Get over it.




And that's part of the problem. You statement that "We don't care" says a lot about you. Why do you care if ND beats Kennesaw St by 20 but you don't care if some other school wins by 36-0?


Not the same poster genius - don't care about either of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you may be way off here, I have watched Adelphi and CW Post play a few years ago and some years those teams had quite a few girls who were "division 1" Players.(Please you have to get over this D1 there are sooo many girls playing now and in the past playing D2 AND D3 that are better players then girls on D1 teams. As far as being a top 20 team maybe not every year but a few of those teams had the a good chance.
You should go and watch these teams play each other usually a good game. By the way go watch a top 10 team play a lower ranked team 20 thru 40 and let me know how good the game was!

Enjoy the games
But get over the D1 players, teams are that much better!


These D2 schools do have players who could play and standout at the D1 level. It's the players who are true D2 talent that keep the teams where they are. The best D1 teams have mostly superstars and it's why they are great and remain great year in and year out. They roster players who could play four years at good schools but are willing to ride the bench for 2-3 years just to have an opportunity to play for one year at these great schools.

It's not a shot at Adelphi or Post. They could beat many D1 schools, no doubt. Just as some D3 schools could.... They just can't compete with the top 30-40 in D1.


There are MANY athletes that choose D2 because it's competitive, the money offered is good and most of all they want to PLAY! Great example to the poster who pointed out Spallina took his "D2" players and created the Stony Brook D1 force with them, anyone can go to Niagra or Arizona and say they're D1 but in the end they have the same majors as local (tristate) area D2 schools. Bonus is you can still "go away" in tristate and family and friends get to see you, plus the intern opportunities are better.
The only ones that care about D1, D2 and or D3 are the parents of the players. Look at the sidelines at most college games. It's a ghost town and for the most part, it's mostly player's parents at the games. Big picture.....nobody other than parents care what division your daughter will play. In many chases, do your daughter a huge favor and get off the D1 or bust mentality. Many options to choose from if you let go of that D1 dream you have for your student athlete.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only ones that care about D1, D2 and or D3 are the parents of the players. Look at the sidelines at most college games. It's a ghost town and for the most part, it's mostly player's parents at the games. Big picture.....nobody other than parents care what division your daughter will play. In many chases, do your daughter a huge favor and get off the D1 or bust mentality. Many options to choose from if you let go of that D1 dream you have for your student athlete.

This statement makes the most sense on this entire forum. Parents are the only consistent fans at many of these games D 1,2 & 3 then you get your friends or other sport teams watch maybe a half then go about their business. I understand the power teams playing the weaker teams and beating them by 15-20 goals the parents don't even last at those games because it's boring enough with all the whistles & when it's not competitive it's horrible to watch. Choose the school that best fits the kids personality, ability to be competitive in the classroom as well as on the field and just enjoy the experience because it is not always roses for everyone involved. Win or lose have a few laughs, enjoy spending time with your kid and be supportive of everyone including the officials!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only ones that care about D1, D2 and or D3 are the parents of the players. Look at the sidelines at most college games. It's a ghost town and for the most part, it's mostly player's parents at the games. Big picture.....nobody other than parents care what division your daughter will play. In many chases, do your daughter a huge favor and get off the D1 or bust mentality. Many options to choose from if you let go of that D1 dream you have for your student athlete.

This statement makes the most sense on this entire forum. Parents are the only consistent fans at many of these games D 1,2 & 3 then you get your friends or other sport teams watch maybe a half then go about their business. I understand the power teams playing the weaker teams and beating them by 15-20 goals the parents don't even last at those games because it's boring enough with all the whistles & when it's not competitive it's horrible to watch. Choose the school that best fits the kids personality, ability to be competitive in the classroom as well as on the field and just enjoy the experience because it is not always roses for everyone involved. Win or lose have a few laughs, enjoy spending time with your kid and be supportive of everyone including the officials!


I think the girls care...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny mighty ND promoting record performance in non conference game against a young poor lacrosse opponent. Why ND would schedule many ofmtheir non conference games is puzzling. Liberty, Kennesaw st.etc


Stat padding!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only ones that care about D1, D2 and or D3 are the parents of the players. Look at the sidelines at most college games. It's a ghost town and for the most part, it's mostly player's parents at the games. Big picture.....nobody other than parents care what division your daughter will play. In many chases, do your daughter a huge favor and get off the D1 or bust mentality. Many options to choose from if you let go of that D1 dream you have for your student athlete.

This statement makes the most sense on this entire forum. Parents are the only consistent fans at many of these games D 1,2 & 3 then you get your friends or other sport teams watch maybe a half then go about their business. I understand the power teams playing the weaker teams and beating them by 15-20 goals the parents don't even last at those games because it's boring enough with all the whistles & when it's not competitive it's horrible to watch. Choose the school that best fits the kids personality, ability to be competitive in the classroom as well as on the field and just enjoy the experience because it is not always roses for everyone involved. Win or lose have a few laughs, enjoy spending time with your kid and be supportive of everyone including the officials!


I think the girls care...

Sometimes and some can't wait for the season to be concluded so they have a chance to act like an actual college student and not have to go lift 3 times a week at 6 am then pràctice at 3 then watch film then go to study hall then get up at 4 to board a plane then play then get back on a plàne get home at 1 then go party until 4 then sleep until 4 then do the same routine again for the season. It's a grind for the kids all for some washed up 70s lacrosse dad's to go watch their kids play and if there from LI make. Asses of themselves by screaming at everyone involved. So be prepared 😨
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only ones that care about D1, D2 and or D3 are the parents of the players. Look at the sidelines at most college games. It's a ghost town and for the most part, it's mostly player's parents at the games. Big picture.....nobody other than parents care what division your daughter will play. In many chases, do your daughter a huge favor and get off the D1 or bust mentality. Many options to choose from if you let go of that D1 dream you have for your student athlete.

This statement makes the most sense on this entire forum. Parents are the only consistent fans at many of these games D 1,2 & 3 then you get your friends or other sport teams watch maybe a half then go about their business. I understand the power teams playing the weaker teams and beating them by 15-20 goals the parents don't even last at those games because it's boring enough with all the whistles & when it's not competitive it's horrible to watch. Choose the school that best fits the kids personality, ability to be competitive in the classroom as well as on the field and just enjoy the experience because it is not always roses for everyone involved. Win or lose have a few laughs, enjoy spending time with your kid and be supportive of everyone including the officials!


I think the girls care...

Sometimes and some can't wait for the season to be concluded so they have a chance to act like an actual college student and not have to go lift 3 times a week at 6 am then pràctice at 3 then watch film then go to study hall then get up at 4 to board a plane then play then get back on a plàne get home at 1 then go party until 4 then sleep until 4 then do the same routine again for the season. It's a grind for the kids all for some washed up 70s lacrosse dad's to go watch their kids play and if there from LI make. Asses of themselves by screaming at everyone involved. So be prepared 😨


You are right, only the truly great ones care. Most play for the same reason they played when they were 5 because mom and dad are still pushing. That's not always a bad thing but it is the truth. If you polled D1 players and said do you really love it I think you would be really surprised by the results. Most girls like their teammates and hanging with them but would probably be just as happy having other friends and enjoying the full college experience. Most of these girls working 50 hours or more to play mediocre lacrosse is a joke
Well, the bully (Monroe CC) got punched in the face, shook it off and beat Onondaga CC today 15-6. Halftime was 4-2 but MCC came out hot in the 2nd got a comfortable lead and maintained it. Now The Bully will host Frederick CC, from Maryland, then head down to MD for a rough roadtrip...Anne Arundel CC (highest scoring team in the NJCAA) and undefeated Howard CC. Their winning streak may come to an end during that gauntlet.
It's interesting to me that you all feel that playing D1 women's lax is such a burden . I say this because my oldest is a sophomore at a top 10 D1 lax program and does not indicate it being overwhelming . I have never pushed her to play ( have always pushed her to well in all she does ) and have always said grades come first and if lax becomes too much just quit. They do miss classes for travel but the time spent practicing , running , lifting in season is not much greater than in high school if at all.
Definitely some social sacrifices made if your kid is a big party / drinking kid but they do have some fun .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's interesting to me that you all feel that playing D1 women's lax is such a burden . I say this because my oldest is a sophomore at a top 10 D1 lax program and does not indicate it being overwhelming . I have never pushed her to play ( have always pushed her to well in all she does ) and have always said grades come first and if lax becomes too much just quit. They do miss classes for travel but the time spent practicing , running , lifting in season is not much greater than in high school if at all.
Definitely some social sacrifices made if your kid is a big party / drinking kid but they do have some fun .


Well said, I'm thinking its just a few people posting over and over...they would rather have their kids get 14 hours of sleep and get plenty of time to hang at starbucks.
I agree very well said !!!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??


Dukes season ended 5 weeks ago


Crow is best served cold.... where are all the watch out for BC people on this site, the anti-Duke crew? Good for Duke, high integrity coach and program gets a much needed win.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??


Dukes season ended 5 weeks ago


Crow is best served cold.... where are all the watch out for BC people on this site, the anti-Duke crew? Good for Duke, high integrity coach and program gets a much needed win.


Too little, too late?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??


Dukes season ended 5 weeks ago


Crow is best served cold.... where are all the watch out for BC people on this site, the anti-Duke crew? Good for Duke, high integrity coach and program gets a much needed win.


Nice win, but the season is still over and has been for quite some time
Hi integrity is laughable . So against early recruiting and will not do I except she does .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??


Dukes season ended 5 weeks ago


Crow is best served cold.... where are all the watch out for BC people on this site, the anti-Duke crew? Good for Duke, high integrity coach and program gets a much needed win.


Nice win, but the season is still over and has been for quite some time


3 top 20 wins, still have a shot at tourney.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??


Dukes season ended 5 weeks ago


Crow is best served cold.... where are all the watch out for BC people on this site, the anti-Duke crew? Good for Duke, high integrity coach and program gets a much needed win.


Nice win, but the season is still over and has been for quite some time


They beat Northwestern next week and they make the tournament.
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Hi integrity is laughable . So against early recruiting and will not do I except she does .


?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will BC end Duke's season this weekend??


Dukes season ended 5 weeks ago


Crow is best served cold.... where are all the watch out for BC people on this site, the anti-Duke crew? Good for Duke, high integrity coach and program gets a much needed win.


Nice win, but the season is still over and has been for quite some time


3 top 20 wins, still have a shot at tourney.


From 15 to 25 is anyone's guess as to who makes tourney...NW, Stanford, Hopkins, VA Tech, BC, Louisville, Duke, JMU, Elon,... Who beat who? Common opponent, Conference tournaments...Will be an interesting 3 weeks in D1 Women's Lax!
Hofstra humiliated by Delaware, poor girls. Hopefully the University will realize they need new leadership! She can scream all she wants and try to blame it on team but her go to goal plan has embarrassed them for 5 years, come on administration-your school is begging you to for change!!
Sorry your daughter got yelled at during the game. Maybe now she'll work on her careless turnovers.
Duke needs one more win to make tournament !!
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Duke needs one more win to make tournament !!


They have to beat NW, UNC or win a game in the ACC tournament. Presbyterian isn't going to get it done...
She is a good coach, Their players stick skills are lacking, The next few years worth of recruits will get them back to the Top of the Colonial
If they are academically eligible to play...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
She is a good coach, Their players stick skills are lacking, The next few years worth of recruits will get them back to the Top of the Colonial


Because the girls were shipped to her in unmarked containers? No, they recruited those players.
College Lacrosse Polls

IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 10
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 13-0 400 20 1
2 North Carolina 12-1 379 2
3 Florida 11-2 361 3
4 Stony Brook 11-1 338 4
5 Penn State 13-1 315 5
6 Colorado 12-1 299 6
7 Princeton 9-1 284 7
8 Cornell 9-1 257 8
9 Southern California 11-3 229 9
9 Penn 9-2 229 10
11 Notre Dame 10-5 188 12
12 Syracuse 11-4 185 11
13 Towson 9-4 138 14
13 Denver 10-2 138 13
15 Virginia 7-7 116 15
16 Northwestern 7-6 93 16
17 James Madison 9-5 70 18
18 Virginia Tech 11-5 49 20
19 Boston College 10-5 41 17
20 Duke 7-6 34 NR

IWLCA Poll for Division II, April 10
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 10-0 396 16 1
2 Lindenwood 14-0 379 3 2
3 Le Moyne 10-0 364 1 3
4 Florida Southern 14-2 337 4
5 Rollins 11-2 307 5
6 LIU Post 8-1 305 6
7 Limestone 12-1 270 7
8 Queens 10-2 242 8
9 Florida Tech 9-2 239 9
10 Mercyhurst 8-2 213 10
11 West Chester 8-2 190 11
12 New Haven 8-1 182 12
13 Pace 8-2 171 13
14 NYIT 11-1 147 14
15 Regis (CO) 9-1 124 15
16 Mercy 11-1 96 17
17 Stonehill 6-5 53 19
18 Indiana (PA) 6-4 47 20
19 Lock Haven 6-5 45 16
20 Seton Hill 6-6 31 18

IWLCA Poll for Division III, April 10
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 College of NJ. 7-1 376 9 2
2 Washington & Lee 9-1 367 5 3
3 Gettysburg 10-2 360 4 5
4 Franklin & Marshall 9-2 332 1
5 Middlebury 9-2 326 1 4
6 Trinity (CT) 10-1 294 1 6
7 [lacrosse] 11-2 278 7
8 Bowdoin 9-2 252 8
9 William Smith 10-1 222 14
10 Messiah 8-2 209 12
11 Salisbury 11-3 196 13
12 Ithaca 9-2 177 10
13 Hamilton 7-4 140 15
14 Mary Washington 11-4 136 16
15 Cortland 7-3 130 9
16 Colby 7-3 95 19
17 Catholic (DC) 7-4 86 11
18 Brockport 8-1 81 17
19 St. John Fisher 6-3 40 18
20 Tufts 6-4 38 NR

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If they are academically eligible to play...


Who are you talking about here?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's interesting to me that you all feel that playing D1 women's lax is such a burden . I say this because my oldest is a sophomore at a top 10 D1 lax program and does not indicate it being overwhelming . I have never pushed her to play ( have always pushed her to well in all she does ) and have always said grades come first and if lax becomes too much just quit. They do miss classes for travel but the time spent practicing , running , lifting in season is not much greater than in high school if at all.
Definitely some social sacrifices made if your kid is a big party / drinking kid but they do have some fun .

I guess the kids at that HS lifted in the morning practiced and watched film in a single day? Wow you guys must of been really good and I think all parents say grades come first never heard a pàrent say do great in LAX the grades will come. I guess you never played bàck in the day so you really don't understand how practice was back then compared to today's routine.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
She is a good coach, Their players stick skills are lacking, The next few years worth of recruits will get them back to the Top of the Colonial


That's what you said about the current group of recruits 3-4 years ago. the reality is the best team she had at Hofstra was the one handed to her, that would be a roster of players that somebody else recruited, not hers, she can't evaluate talent and on the rare occasion when she does she has no chance of recruiting them, who would want to play there?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
She is a good coach, Their players stick skills are lacking, The next few years worth of recruits will get them back to the Top of the Colonial


That's what you said about the current group of recruits 3-4 years ago. the reality is the best team she had at Hofstra was the one handed to her, that would be a roster of players that somebody else recruited, not hers, she can't evaluate talent and on the rare occasion when she does she has no chance of recruiting them, who would want to play there?


She is also not checking her incoming recruits academic eligibility...wonder how administrators will feel about that
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's interesting to me that you all feel that playing D1 women's lax is such a burden . I say this because my oldest is a sophomore at a top 10 D1 lax program and does not indicate it being overwhelming . I have never pushed her to play ( have always pushed her to well in all she does ) and have always said grades come first and if lax becomes too much just quit. They do miss classes for travel but the time spent practicing , running , lifting in season is not much greater than in high school if at all.
Definitely some social sacrifices made if your kid is a big party / drinking kid but they do have some fun .

I guess the kids at that HS lifted in the morning practiced and watched film in a single day? Wow you guys must of been really good and I think all parents say grades come first never heard a pàrent say do great in LAX the grades will come. I guess you never played bàck in the day so you really don't understand how practice was back then compared to today's routine.


What are you babbling about ? You sound like an idiot. My kid plays at a perennial top 10 D1 lax program . In season they rarely lift and yes watch about an hour of film per game played . You may want it to be otherwise but other than travel time they do not put in more that 2.5 hrs a day toward lax like she did in high school . Exactly how much time is your daughter devoting to lax , it sounds like that's all she does .
She has brought in 3 strong freshman starting for her this year. A couple of good recruits coming in next year and they'll be ok. Not great but competitive. Go Pride!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
She has brought in 3 strong freshman starting for her this year. A couple of good recruits coming in next year and they'll be ok. Not great but competitive. Go Pride!!!


Best case scenario is middle of the pack in the CAA (a fairly weak conference) for the foreseeable future, won't sniff a tournament bid anytime soon
Brooke Griffin no longer listed as an assistant on the BC website.
A fairly weak conference?...they have (2) teams in the top 20 and one that just dropped this weekend and is a very solid team just on the outside. Yeah we should listen to you...
Stony Brook at Hopkins on ESPNU today...5:00

Now you can see what all the hype is about
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
She has brought in 3 strong freshman starting for her this year. A couple of good recruits coming in next year and they'll be ok. Not great but competitive. Go Pride!!!


Best case scenario is middle of the pack in the CAA (a fairly weak conference) for the foreseeable future, won't sniff a tournament bid anytime soon


No dog in the race but CAA is a VERY competitive conference... Towson, JMU, Elon at the top. Delaware gave SBU all they could handle last year. Drexel and Wm Mary aren't terrible teams either. If Hofstra can be competitive and make the CAA playoffs, that would be a step in the right direction.
CAA one of most competitive conferences Problem for Hofstra is how teams around them have strengthened
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Brooke Griffin no longer listed as an assistant on the BC website.



Now she's listed again.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CAA one of most competitive conferences Problem for Hofstra is how teams around them have strengthened


While Hofstra has gone in the other direction
I'm watching some of the Stony Brook-Johns Hopkins game. Not many people there. It's hard to tell exactly, but it looks like less than 100? I've been to Homewood Field many times, and I can tell you that the stands are mostly empty. Probably all parents. I thought SB was a HUGE draw. Guess I was wrong.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook at Hopkins on ESPNU today...5:00

Now you can see what all the hype is about


Too bad they couldn't find a second announcer who knows the women's game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm watching some of the Stony Brook-Johns Hopkins game. Not many people there. It's hard to tell exactly, but it looks like less than 100? I've been to Homewood Field many times, and I can tell you that the stands are mostly empty. Probably all parents. I thought SB was a HUGE draw. Guess I was wrong.


Jealous that your team's not on?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm watching some of the Stony Brook-Johns Hopkins game. Not many people there. It's hard to tell exactly, but it looks like less than 100? I've been to Homewood Field many times, and I can tell you that the stands are mostly empty. Probably all parents. I thought SB was a HUGE draw. Guess I was wrong.



It's because Hopkins is so bad! Stony Brook will choke when they play top tier, remember the Florida game? They better hope they don't see Maryland!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm watching some of the Stony Brook-Johns Hopkins game. Not many people there. It's hard to tell exactly, but it looks like less than 100? I've been to Homewood Field many times, and I can tell you that the stands are mostly empty. Probably all parents. I thought SB was a HUGE draw. Guess I was wrong.


Jealous that your team's not on?



No. Why would I? Not a fan of either team, especially SB.
Maryland schools aren't on vacation this week like New [lacrosse]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's interesting to me that you all feel that playing D1 women's lax is such a burden . I say this because my oldest is a sophomore at a top 10 D1 lax program and does not indicate it being overwhelming . I have never pushed her to play ( have always pushed her to well in all she does ) and have always said grades come first and if lax becomes too much just quit. They do miss classes for travel but the time spent practicing , running , lifting in season is not much greater than in high school if at all.
Definitely some social sacrifices made if your kid is a big party / drinking kid but they do have some fun .


Only 52% of D1 student/athletes play the full four years over the last ten years. I have been following the 2013 class and it is at 53% (part of a study for USA Lacrosse). The overwhelming reason is that the lax practice, travel and playing is a burden on the student's grades, social life and well being (a distant second is injury). This issue, along with early recruiting practices, is a major concern.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's interesting to me that you all feel that playing D1 women's lax is such a burden . I say this because my oldest is a sophomore at a top 10 D1 lax program and does not indicate it being overwhelming . I have never pushed her to play ( have always pushed her to well in all she does ) and have always said grades come first and if lax becomes too much just quit. They do miss classes for travel but the time spent practicing , running , lifting in season is not much greater than in high school if at all.
Definitely some social sacrifices made if your kid is a big party / drinking kid but they do have some fun .


Only 52% of D1 student/athletes play the full four years over the last ten years. I have been following the 2013 class and it is at 53% (part of a study for USA Lacrosse). The overwhelming reason is that the lax practice, travel and playing is a burden on the student's grades, social life and well being (a distant second is injury). This issue, along with early recruiting practices, is a major concern.


i am surprised that it is even that high . I wonder how much actual playing time impacts that number . I would think lack of playing time may be the biggest issue which is something that many of the athletes are hesitant to indicate as their primary reason causing them to stop playing .
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's interesting to me that you all feel that playing D1 women's lax is such a burden . I say this because my oldest is a sophomore at a top 10 D1 lax program and does not indicate it being overwhelming . I have never pushed her to play ( have always pushed her to well in all she does ) and have always said grades come first and if lax becomes too much just quit. They do miss classes for travel but the time spent practicing , running , lifting in season is not much greater than in high school if at all.
Definitely some social sacrifices made if your kid is a big party / drinking kid but they do have some fun .


Only 52% of D1 student/athletes play the full four years over the last ten years. I have been following the 2013 class and it is at 53% (part of a study for USA Lacrosse). The overwhelming reason is that the lax practice, travel and playing is a burden on the student's grades, social life and well being (a distant second is injury). This issue, along with early recruiting practices, is a major concern.


The issue is the kids are weak or lazy or both. They can't get anything done because mom or dad isn't there to keep pushing them. Or worse, mom and dad are still there doing it.

I personally know a D1 soccer player who stopped playing after 2 years because of the workload. She works in a deli and makes a great sandwich. I really like her.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's interesting to me that you all feel that playing D1 women's lax is such a burden . I say this because my oldest is a sophomore at a top 10 D1 lax program and does not indicate it being overwhelming . I have never pushed her to play ( have always pushed her to well in all she does ) and have always said grades come first and if lax becomes too much just quit. They do miss classes for travel but the time spent practicing , running , lifting in season is not much greater than in high school if at all.
Definitely some social sacrifices made if your kid is a big party / drinking kid but they do have some fun .


Only 52% of D1 student/athletes play the full four years over the last ten years. I have been following the 2013 class and it is at 53% (part of a study for USA Lacrosse). The overwhelming reason is that the lax practice, travel and playing is a burden on the student's grades, social life and well being (a distant second is injury). This issue, along with early recruiting practices, is a major concern.


Thanks for a dose of reality, Baldbear. All three of my kids played D1, only one in lacrosse, and that was what I saw as well across sports.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's interesting to me that you all feel that playing D1 women's lax is such a burden . I say this because my oldest is a sophomore at a top 10 D1 lax program and does not indicate it being overwhelming . I have never pushed her to play ( have always pushed her to well in all she does ) and have always said grades come first and if lax becomes too much just quit. They do miss classes for travel but the time spent practicing , running , lifting in season is not much greater than in high school if at all.
Definitely some social sacrifices made if your kid is a big party / drinking kid but they do have some fun .


Only 52% of D1 student/athletes play the full four years over the last ten years. I have been following the 2013 class and it is at 53% (part of a study for USA Lacrosse). The overwhelming reason is that the lax practice, travel and playing is a burden on the student's grades, social life and well being (a distant second is injury). This issue, along with early recruiting practices, is a major concern.


Thanks for a dose of reality, Baldbear. All three of my kids played D1, only one in lacrosse, and that was what I saw as well across sports.


I usually publish on this site the numbers in July. I don't expect much of a change because in the past there is not much fall off from junior to senior year (I am referring to my 2013 class).
Many kids don't love practicing 35 hours a week especially when many have gone from the best players on their club or school teams to players that barely get off the bench if ever in college. When they hit the turn going into JR year many choose internships and just to enjoy everything college has to offer the last two years without the rigors of a fulltime lax job. We can all fool ourselves but if you don't think some of these kids are playing just because mom and dad have always pushed it you are being naive and when they reach 20 years of age many are now mature enough to push back on mom and dad and tell them they are done. That's why only 50% play all four years.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Many kids don't love practicing 35 hours a week especially when many have gone from the best players on their club or school teams to players that barely get off the bench if ever in college. When they hit the turn going into JR year many choose internships and just to enjoy everything college has to offer the last two years without the rigors of a fulltime lax job. We can all fool ourselves but if you don't think some of these kids are playing just because mom and dad have always pushed it you are being naive and when they reach 20 years of age many are now mature enough to push back on mom and dad and tell them they are done. That's why only 50% play all four years.



Makes sense. Even the kids that play get tired of the pressure placed on them when the team is not winning games. It all gets old.
So Carol Rose takes over the women's professional lacrosse league and Shannon smith gets fired as the Long Island coach a week later, wow! Not saying it's a bad thing, the new coaches are definitely better. Hope they play on Long Island this season!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Carol Rose takes over the women's professional lacrosse league and Shannon smith gets fired as the Long Island coach a week later, wow! Not saying it's a bad thing, the new coaches are definitely better. Hope they play on Long Island this season!


Nobody cares about woman's professional league, You will be sitting with 10 others if they come to LI, all parents of the players trying to relive an irrelevant college sport.
Who are the new coaches?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who are the new coaches?

Regy Thorpe
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who are the new coaches?

Regy Thorpe


Is Gait still commish? Seems fishy that CR gets the gig and fires SS who won the championship last year. From the outside looking in it just seems that their petty BS continues. Thorpe works for Gait. Seems the backroom BS deals continue. Between directors running tournaments, clubs, training, camps and recruiting there is real stank on the process and the system
So what does this mean for his position at Syracuse?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Many kids don't love practicing 35 hours a week especially when many have gone from the best players on their club or school teams to players that barely get off the bench if ever in college. When they hit the turn going into JR year many choose internships and just to enjoy everything college has to offer the last two years without the rigors of a fulltime lax job. We can all fool ourselves but if you don't think some of these kids are playing just because mom and dad have always pushed it you are being naive and when they reach 20 years of age many are now mature enough to push back on mom and dad and tell them they are done. That's why only 50% play all four years.


Why do you make nonsense up . 35 hours a week is so ridiculous . Add it up not even close especially in season .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Many kids don't love practicing 35 hours a week especially when many have gone from the best players on their club or school teams to players that barely get off the bench if ever in college. When they hit the turn going into JR year many choose internships and just to enjoy everything college has to offer the last two years without the rigors of a fulltime lax job. We can all fool ourselves but if you don't think some of these kids are playing just because mom and dad have always pushed it you are being naive and when they reach 20 years of age many are now mature enough to push back on mom and dad and tell them they are done. That's why only 50% play all four years.


STOP , why post if you are clueless. Your kid obviously does not play D1 lacrosse . Yes some kids quit the sport but there are many reasons for this . Many college students stop doing activities that were part of their life while in high school when they get to college .Many of you paint the picture that D1 lacrosse is missery when in fact most kids who go on tho play at that level find it to be the opposite . As a parent I like the structure it provides and the academic help and the monetary situation is not bad either.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Many kids don't love practicing 35 hours a week especially when many have gone from the best players on their club or school teams to players that barely get off the bench if ever in college. When they hit the turn going into JR year many choose internships and just to enjoy everything college has to offer the last two years without the rigors of a fulltime lax job. We can all fool ourselves but if you don't think some of these kids are playing just because mom and dad have always pushed it you are being naive and when they reach 20 years of age many are now mature enough to push back on mom and dad and tell them they are done. That's why only 50% play all four years.


STOP , why post if you are clueless. Your kid obviously does not play D1 lacrosse . Yes some kids quit the sport but there are many reasons for this . Many college students stop doing activities that were part of their life while in high school when they get to college .Many of you paint the picture that D1 lacrosse is missery when in fact most kids who go on tho play at that level find it to be the opposite . As a parent I like the structure it provides and the academic help and the monetary situation is not bad either.


BS. Parent of 3 D1 athletes here and, while not misery, it takes a LOT of time and commitment and plenty of kids decide it's not worth it. Not saying it's misery but I can tell you that it is a close to full-time job on top of school work. I, too, like the structure and support that comes with it but to imply it's a walk in the park is just dead wrong.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Many kids don't love practicing 35 hours a week especially when many have gone from the best players on their club or school teams to players that barely get off the bench if ever in college. When they hit the turn going into JR year many choose internships and just to enjoy everything college has to offer the last two years without the rigors of a fulltime lax job. We can all fool ourselves but if you don't think some of these kids are playing just because mom and dad have always pushed it you are being naive and when they reach 20 years of age many are now mature enough to push back on mom and dad and tell them they are done. That's why only 50% play all four years.


STOP , why post if you are clueless. Your kid obviously does not play D1 lacrosse . Yes some kids quit the sport but there are many reasons for this . Many college students stop doing activities that were part of their life while in high school when they get to college .Many of you paint the picture that D1 lacrosse is missery when in fact most kids who go on tho play at that level find it to be the opposite . As a parent I like the structure it provides and the academic help and the monetary situation is not bad either.



Another factor that can't be ignored is Team Drama. My daughter quit her D1 team because of team drama. Girls are vicious.
Looks like cuse just got the upset of the year!! Way to go 🍊
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like cuse just got the upset of the year!! Way to go 🍊


#12 from Syracuse out with ACL injury. Tough loss moving forward for the Orange.
Hofstra over Towson 17-15. I guess SS gonna hang around another year. GO PRIDE!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like cuse just got the upset of the year!! Way to go 🍊


#12 from Syracuse out with ACL injury. Tough loss moving forward for the Orange.

Tough injury, but very one dimensional as a player. Got shut down all year. Doesn't have the physical attributes to be a consistent top player.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Many kids don't love practicing 35 hours a week especially when many have gone from the best players on their club or school teams to players that barely get off the bench if ever in college. When they hit the turn going into JR year many choose internships and just to enjoy everything college has to offer the last two years without the rigors of a fulltime lax job. We can all fool ourselves but if you don't think some of these kids are playing just because mom and dad have always pushed it you are being naive and when they reach 20 years of age many are now mature enough to push back on mom and dad and tell them they are done. That's why only 50%
play all four years.


STOP , why post if you are clueless. Your kid obviously does not play D1 lacrosse . Yes some kids quit the sport but there are many reasons for this . Many college students stop doing activities that were part of their life while in high school when they get to college .Many of you paint the picture that D1 lacrosse is missery when in fact most kids who go on tho play at that level find it to be the opposite . As a parent I like the structure it provides and the academic help and the monetary situation is not bad either.


BS. Parent of 3 D1 athletes here and, while not misery, it takes a LOT of time and commitment and plenty of kids decide it's not worth it. Not saying it's misery but I can tell you that it is a close to full-time job on top of school work. I, too, like the structure and support that comes with it but to imply it's a walk in the park is just dead wrong.


Sorry but maybe your kids experience has been vastly different than mine . My daughter plays for a top 10 D1 girls lax team and honestly spends less than 20 hours per week doing lax related things i.e. Practice, lifting, running , film, games , at least in season .Yes travel , does take some time but they get some studying done during . 20 hours a week is no joke but it's not unmanageable .


#12 from Syracuse out with ACL injury. Tough loss moving forward for the Orange.[/quote]
Tough injury, but very one dimensional as a player. Got shut down all year. Doesn't have the physical attributes to be a consistent top player. [/quote]

One dimension is what majority of kids don't have🍊
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like cuse just got the upset of the year!! Way to go 🍊


#12 from Syracuse out with ACL injury. Tough loss moving forward for the Orange.

Tough injury, but very one dimensional as a player. Got shut down all year. Doesn't have the physical attributes to be a consistent top player.

The poor girl just tore her ACL and you have to talk negative about her. Really? Pray it never hapoens to your kid!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like cuse just got the upset of the year!! Way to go 🍊


#12 from Syracuse out with ACL injury. Tough loss moving forward for the Orange.

Tough injury, but very one dimensional as a player. Got shut down all year. Doesn't have the physical attributes to be a consistent top player.

The poor girl just tore her ACL and you have to talk negative about her. Really? Pray it never hapoens to your kid!



Karma will get them
Curious how you "know" she tore her ACL. Why make such a douchie comment about a kid who had a very ,very successful freshman season. If true about her ACL, which I am not so sure about, I hope nothing but the best for her, she is a nice kid.
Tarheels looking very banged up. Bill out, Hazar looking gimpy. just got totally out hustled and out muscled by Cuse. can't see them rasing the trophy this year unless they can get some people healthy..
My guess would be a jealous parent who's kid is standing on the sideline
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My guess would be a jealous parent who's kid is standing on the sideline


sorry Carnac, not even close. just a fan that watches a lot of games. great program, great kids, but its always hard to repeat. especially with injuries to all-americans. happy for Cuse on the win.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My guess would be a jealous parent who's kid is standing on the sideline


sorry Carnac, not even close. just a fan that watches a lot of games. great program, great kids, but its always hard to repeat. especially with injuries to all-americans. happy for Cuse on the win.


I think he may have been responding to the poster responding to the loser bashing Levy not your ridiculous post. Yes UNC is banged up as are many teams but they still have enough weapons to get it done ,will come down to winning the draw and a hot goal keeper if they are going to repeat, also need MM to have big games when it matters most. That said no one at this point has come close to Maryland and UNC would be an underdog in that one with or without MB.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hofstra over Towson 17-15. I guess SS gonna hang around another year. GO PRIDE!!!


Great win for Pride. Congrats!!!! Hope they can add a few more this season.

IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 17

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 15-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 13-2 375 3
3 North Carolina 12-2 348 2
4 Stony Brook 13-1 346 4
5 Penn State 14-1 327 5
6 Princeton 10-2 290 7
7 Syracuse 12-4 265 12
8 Southern California 12-3 254 9
9 Colorado 13-2 238 6
10 Penn 10-2 234 9
11 Notre Dame 11-5 192 11
12 Cornell 10-2 190 8
13 Denver 12-2 147 13
14 Virginia 9-7 128 15
15 Northwestern 8-7 126 16
16 James Madison 10-5 98 17
17 Towson 9-5 87 13
18 Boston College 11-5 50 19
19 Virginia Tech 11-6 44 18
20 Duke 7-7 26 20


IWLCA Poll for Division II, April 17

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 12-0 397 17 1
2 Lindenwood 15-0 380 2 2
3 Le Moyne 12-0 362 1 3
4 Florida Southern 16-2 339 4
5 LIU Post 9-2 311 6
6 Rollins 12-3 298 5
7 Limestone 13-2 269 7
8 Queens 12-2 262 8
9 Florida Tech 11-2 251 9
10 New Haven 9-2 196 12
11 Pace 10-2 192 13
12 West Chester 9-3 162 11
13 NYIT 12-1 149 14
14 Mercyhurst 8-3 147 10
15 Regis (CO) 12-1 125 15
16 Mercy 13-1 105 16
17 East Stroudsburg 11-2 86 NR
18 Stonehill 7-5 64 17
19 Indiana (PA) 7-5 33 18
20 Lock Haven 7-6 26 19


IWLCA Poll for Division III, April 17

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 College of NJ 9-1 392 15 1
2 Washington & Lee 10-1 374 2 2
3 Gettysburg 11-2 361 3 3
4 Middlebury 10-2 346 5
5 [lacrosse] 13-2 297 7
6 Trinity (CT) 11-2 287 6
7 Messiah 10-2 271 10
8 William Smith 12-1 238 9
9 Franklin & Marshall 10-4 235 4
10 Colby 9-3 189 16
11 Hamilton 9-4 181 13
12 Ithaca 11-2 174 12
13 Salisbury 11-5 165 11
14 Mary Washington 13-4 128 14
14 Catholic (DC) 8-4 128 17
16 Bowdoin 9-4 102 8
17 Cortland 9-3 86 15
18 Tufts 8-4 70 20
19 Brockport 10-1 66 18
20 Wesleyan (CT) 9-4 61 NR

Originally Posted by baldbear

IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 17

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 15-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 13-2 375 3
3 North Carolina 12-2 348 2
4 Stony Brook 13-1 346 4
5 Penn State 14-1 327 5
6 Princeton 10-2 290 7
7 Syracuse 12-4 265 12
8 Southern California 12-3 254 9
9 Colorado 13-2 238 6
10 Penn 10-2 234 9
11 Notre Dame 11-5 192 11
12 Cornell 10-2 190 8
13 Denver 12-2 147 13
14 Virginia 9-7 128 15
15 Northwestern 8-7 126 16
16 James Madison 10-5 98 17
17 Towson 9-5 87 13
18 Boston College 11-5 50 19
19 Virginia Tech 11-6 44 18
20 Duke 7-7 26 20




OK we are getting deep into the season. Do you go with the only winners from the last 25 years in NC, Maryland, NW Virginia or Princeton or do you take the field. My gut say NC or Maryland win it again and anyone else is still a longshot and an upset
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear

IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 17

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 15-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 13-2 375 3
3 North Carolina 12-2 348 2
4 Stony Brook 13-1 346 4
5 Penn State 14-1 327 5
6 Princeton 10-2 290 7
7 Syracuse 12-4 265 12
8 Southern California 12-3 254 9
9 Colorado 13-2 238 6
10 Penn 10-2 234 9
11 Notre Dame 11-5 192 11
12 Cornell 10-2 190 8
13 Denver 12-2 147 13
14 Virginia 9-7 128 15
15 Northwestern 8-7 126 16
16 James Madison 10-5 98 17
17 Towson 9-5 87 13
18 Boston College 11-5 50 19
19 Virginia Tech 11-6 44 18
20 Duke 7-7 26 20




OK we are getting deep into the season. Do you go with the only winners from the last 25 years in NC, Maryland, NW Virginia or Princeton or do you take the field. My gut say NC or Maryland win it again and anyone else is still a longshot and an upset


MD is the clear and only favorite at this point - the only contest is for second place
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear

IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 17

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 15-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 13-2 375 3
3 North Carolina 12-2 348 2
4 Stony Brook 13-1 346 4
5 Penn State 14-1 327 5
6 Princeton 10-2 290 7
7 Syracuse 12-4 265 12
8 Southern California 12-3 254 9
9 Colorado 13-2 238 6
10 Penn 10-2 234 9
11 Notre Dame 11-5 192 11
12 Cornell 10-2 190 8
13 Denver 12-2 147 13
14 Virginia 9-7 128 15
15 Northwestern 8-7 126 16
16 James Madison 10-5 98 17
17 Towson 9-5 87 13
18 Boston College 11-5 50 19
19 Virginia Tech 11-6 44 18
20 Duke 7-7 26 20




OK we are getting deep into the season. Do you go with the only winners from the last 25 years in NC, Maryland, NW Virginia or Princeton or do you take the field. My gut say NC or Maryland win it again and anyone else is still a longshot and an upset


MD is the clear and only favorite at this point - the only contest is for second place


Thats what they said last year also, how'd that work out?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear

IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 17

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 15-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 13-2 375 3
3 North Carolina 12-2 348 2
4 Stony Brook 13-1 346 4
5 Penn State 14-1 327 5
6 Princeton 10-2 290 7
7 Syracuse 12-4 265 12
8 Southern California 12-3 254 9
9 Colorado 13-2 238 6
10 Penn 10-2 234 9
11 Notre Dame 11-5 192 11
12 Cornell 10-2 190 8
13 Denver 12-2 147 13
14 Virginia 9-7 128 15
15 Northwestern 8-7 126 16
16 James Madison 10-5 98 17
17 Towson 9-5 87 13
18 Boston College 11-5 50 19
19 Virginia Tech 11-6 44 18
20 Duke 7-7 26 20




OK we are getting deep into the season. Do you go with the only winners from the last 25 years in NC, Maryland, NW Virginia or Princeton or do you take the field. My gut say NC or Maryland win it again and anyone else is still a longshot and an upset


MD is the clear and only favorite at this point - the only contest is for second place


Thats what they said last year also, how'd that work out?


And the year before that, and the year before that, and the year before that.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear

IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 17

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 15-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 13-2 375 3
3 North Carolina 12-2 348 2
4 Stony Brook 13-1 346 4
5 Penn State 14-1 327 5
6 Princeton 10-2 290 7
7 Syracuse 12-4 265 12
8 Southern California 12-3 254 9
9 Colorado 13-2 238 6
10 Penn 10-2 234 9
11 Notre Dame 11-5 192 11
12 Cornell 10-2 190 8
13 Denver 12-2 147 13
14 Virginia 9-7 128 15
15 Northwestern 8-7 126 16
16 James Madison 10-5 98 17
17 Towson 9-5 87 13
18 Boston College 11-5 50 19
19 Virginia Tech 11-6 44 18
20 Duke 7-7 26 20




OK we are getting deep into the season. Do you go with the only winners from the last 25 years in NC, Maryland, NW Virginia or Princeton or do you take the field. My gut say NC or Maryland win it again and anyone else is still a longshot and an upset


MD is the clear and only favorite at this point - the only contest is for second place


Maryland, North Carolina, Florida and Penn State in the Final Four unless two of them meet in an earlier round.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear

IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 17

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 15-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 13-2 375 3
3 North Carolina 12-2 348 2
4 Stony Brook 13-1 346 4
5 Penn State 14-1 327 5
6 Princeton 10-2 290 7
7 Syracuse 12-4 265 12
8 Southern California 12-3 254 9
9 Colorado 13-2 238 6
10 Penn 10-2 234 9
11 Notre Dame 11-5 192 11
12 Cornell 10-2 190 8
13 Denver 12-2 147 13
14 Virginia 9-7 128 15
15 Northwestern 8-7 126 16
16 James Madison 10-5 98 17
17 Towson 9-5 87 13
18 Boston College 11-5 50 19
19 Virginia Tech 11-6 44 18
20 Duke 7-7 26 20




OK we are getting deep into the season. Do you go with the only winners from the last 25 years in NC, Maryland, NW Virginia or Princeton or do you take the field. My gut say NC or Maryland win it again and anyone else is still a longshot and an upset


MD is the clear and only favorite at this point - the only contest is for second place


Maryland, North Carolina, Florida and Penn State in the Final Four unless two of them meet in an earlier round.


If any of the four listed above knock each other off then Syracuse, Southern Cal or Colorado might make it to the Final Four. Penn and Princeton outside shot as well.
Seeding will play a role, some teams will have an easier track than others to the final four. The key is getting there, once there all bets are off.

Who is prepared mentally and physically? Who has played the toughest schedule? Who has adapted to playing on the road? Who is best prepared to play two tough games in three days? etc...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My guess would be a jealous parent who's kid is standing on the sideline


sorry Carnac, not even close. just a fan that watches a lot of games. great program, great kids, but its always hard to repeat. especially with injuries to all-americans. happy for Cuse on the win.


I think he may have been responding to the poster responding to the loser bashing Levy not your ridiculous post. Yes UNC is banged up as are many teams but they still have enough weapons to get it done ,will come down to winning the draw and a hot goal keeper if they are going to repeat, also need MM to have big games when it matters most. That said no one at this point has come close to Maryland and UNC would be an underdog in that one with or without MB.



Watch out for Penn State, they beat Maryland last year in BIG championship game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear

IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 17

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 15-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 13-2 375 3
3 North Carolina 12-2 348 2
4 Stony Brook 13-1 346 4
5 Penn State 14-1 327 5
6 Princeton 10-2 290 7
7 Syracuse 12-4 265 12
8 Southern California 12-3 254 9
9 Colorado 13-2 238 6
10 Penn 10-2 234 9
11 Notre Dame 11-5 192 11
12 Cornell 10-2 190 8
13 Denver 12-2 147 13
14 Virginia 9-7 128 15
15 Northwestern 8-7 126 16
16 James Madison 10-5 98 17
17 Towson 9-5 87 13
18 Boston College 11-5 50 19
19 Virginia Tech 11-6 44 18
20 Duke 7-7 26 20




OK we are getting deep into the season. Do you go with the only winners from the last 25 years in NC, Maryland, NW Virginia or Princeton or do you take the field. My gut say NC or Maryland win it again and anyone else is still a longshot and an upset



PENN STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear

IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 17

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 15-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 13-2 375 3
3 North Carolina 12-2 348 2
4 Stony Brook 13-1 346 4
5 Penn State 14-1 327 5
6 Princeton 10-2 290 7
7 Syracuse 12-4 265 12
8 Southern California 12-3 254 9
9 Colorado 13-2 238 6
10 Penn 10-2 234 9
11 Notre Dame 11-5 192 11
12 Cornell 10-2 190 8
13 Denver 12-2 147 13
14 Virginia 9-7 128 15
15 Northwestern 8-7 126 16
16 James Madison 10-5 98 17
17 Towson 9-5 87 13
18 Boston College 11-5 50 19
19 Virginia Tech 11-6 44 18
20 Duke 7-7 26 20




OK we are getting deep into the season. Do you go with the only winners from the last 25 years in NC, Maryland, NW Virginia or Princeton or do you take the field. My gut say NC or Maryland win it again and anyone else is still a longshot and an upset


MD is the clear and only favorite at this point - the only contest is for second place


Maryland, North Carolina, Florida and Penn State in the Final Four unless two of them meet in an earlier round.


I see what you did there, really went out on a limb picking 1, 2, 3 and 5. Hmmmm, what happens to 4? Someone is a hater or a troll.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear

IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 17

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 15-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 13-2 375 3
3 North Carolina 12-2 348 2
4 Stony Brook 13-1 346 4
5 Penn State 14-1 327 5
6 Princeton 10-2 290 7
7 Syracuse 12-4 265 12
8 Southern California 12-3 254 9
9 Colorado 13-2 238 6
10 Penn 10-2 234 9
11 Notre Dame 11-5 192 11
12 Cornell 10-2 190 8
13 Denver 12-2 147 13
14 Virginia 9-7 128 15
15 Northwestern 8-7 126 16
16 James Madison 10-5 98 17
17 Towson 9-5 87 13
18 Boston College 11-5 50 19
19 Virginia Tech 11-6 44 18
20 Duke 7-7 26 20




OK we are getting deep into the season. Do you go with the only winners from the last 25 years in NC, Maryland, NW Virginia or Princeton or do you take the field. My gut say NC or Maryland win it again and anyone else is still a longshot and an upset


MD is the clear and only favorite at this point - the only contest is for second place


Maryland, North Carolina, Florida and Penn State in the Final Four unless two of them meet in an earlier round.


I see what you did there, really went out on a limb picking 1, 2, 3 and 5. Hmmmm, what happens to 4? Someone is a hater or a troll.

Who have they beat , they lay an exceptionally weak schedule so maybe they feel they will not be well prepared.
my final 4 NW, BC, SB MD
I pick MD to win it all, and the other three of the final will be UNC, Penn State and FL. Like the other poster said, SB had a relatively weak schedule. Good team but not going to the final four. As for the rest, no chance of seeing the final four.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
my final 4 NW, BC, SB MD


What are you smoking today?
Watching the NW v Duke on BTN replay- yes an insomniac it stinks. The women's game is flat tough to watch. Almost every clear consists of one girl barreling down the field with her head down, trying to force it through double teams, while being crosschecked and bumped for 70 yards, three whistles later you have a clear. Even the announcer just called it "scrappy"..

When they do finally gain the zone it's all crowded in and a series of one on one matchups take place- more forcing through double teams. Everyone is playing the zone now so even if a player does dodge and beat their girl there's at least one defender waiting to stop the challenge or set up a free position. There's just not much motion or fluidity in this game. Rarely see a pretty assist and finish.

They need to adapt more features from the guys game. 50 yard restraining line, 6v6 in the zone, full pockets in the cross. Get passing and movement and athleticism back into the game. They have taken a few things recently- can kick the ball to get it out of a crowd, go in your own crease, but more is needed. Make it entertaining to watch. Fans might come watch.. on the men's side UNC v SU a few days ago had hundreds of fans, placed was packed. And the game was entertaining. There's no reason why the men's game should be that much better for fans. These women are great athletes, but their version of the game is holding them back big time.

It reminds me of the NBA in the 90's. Rough, physical super low scoring and tough to watch.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watching the NW v Duke on BTN replay- yes an insomniac it stinks. The women's game is flat tough to watch. Almost every clear consists of one girl barreling down the field with her head down, trying to force it through double teams, while being crosschecked and bumped for 70 yards, three whistles later you have a clear. Even the announcer just called it "scrappy"..

When they do finally gain the zone it's all crowded in and a series of one on one matchups take place- more forcing through double teams. Everyone is playing the zone now so even if a player does dodge and beat their girl there's at least one defender waiting to stop the challenge or set up a free position. There's just not much motion or fluidity in this game. Rarely see a pretty assist and finish.

They need to adapt more features from the guys game. 50 yard restraining line, 6v6 in the zone, full pockets in the cross. Get passing and movement and athleticism back into the game. They have taken a few things recently- can kick the ball to get it out of a crowd, go in your own crease, but more is needed. Make it entertaining to watch. Fans might come watch.. on the men's side UNC v SU a few days ago had hundreds of fans, placed was packed. And the game was entertaining. There's no reason why the men's game should be that much better for fans. These women are great athletes, but their version of the game is holding them back big time.

It reminds me of the NBA in the 90's. Rough, physical super low scoring and tough to watch.
I disagree on a couple of your points. I don't think you know the woman's/girls game as well as the men. Giving the woman pockets in there sticks would change the game and lead to full gear and helmets, and any fan of the woman's game doesn't want that. The changes have to come in the rules committee in the way the refs call the game. Taking goals away from a team because the defense commits a foul is the worst rule in any sport and it happens all to often.

Charges have been called more often that this year, and that is a good thing, but they need to call dangerous play ( cross checks, dangerous checks...) with more yellow cards, and fragrantly dangerous play with red cards ( 20+ years of watching woman's lacrosse and have never seen a red card, girls have no fear of it).

What they do need to do is move to a progressive foul system. Just like in basketball, after 5 fouls you are thrown out of the game, that would stop a lot of fouls because they would need to stay in the game. As of now fouling a team in transition all the way down the field is a tactic acceptable to the NCAA and US Lacrosse so teams will continue to do so
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watching the NW v Duke on BTN replay- yes an insomniac it stinks. The women's game is flat tough to watch. Almost every clear consists of one girl barreling down the field with her head down, trying to force it through double teams, while being crosschecked and bumped for 70 yards, three whistles later you have a clear. Even the announcer just called it "scrappy"..

When they do finally gain the zone it's all crowded in and a series of one on one matchups take place- more forcing through double teams. Everyone is playing the zone now so even if a player does dodge and beat their girl there's at least one defender waiting to stop the challenge or set up a free position. There's just not much motion or fluidity in this game. Rarely see a pretty assist and finish.

They need to adapt more features from the guys game. 50 yard restraining line, 6v6 in the zone, full pockets in the cross. Get passing and movement and athleticism back into the game. They have taken a few things recently- can kick the ball to get it out of a crowd, go in your own crease, but more is needed. Make it entertaining to watch. Fans might come watch.. on the men's side UNC v SU a few days ago had hundreds of fans, placed was packed. And the game was entertaining. There's no reason why the men's game should be that much better for fans. These women are great athletes, but their version of the game is holding them back big time.

It reminds me of the NBA in the 90's. Rough, physical super low scoring and tough to watch.


couldn't agree more and that scrappy ugly play is leading to helmets. Open it up get that ball being whipped around from player to player. take the full field run out of the game and BAN isolation plays at the youth level haha
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watching the NW v Duke on BTN replay- yes an insomniac it stinks. The women's game is flat tough to watch. Almost every clear consists of one girl barreling down the field with her head down, trying to force it through double teams, while being crosschecked and bumped for 70 yards, three whistles later you have a clear. Even the announcer just called it "scrappy"..

When they do finally gain the zone it's all crowded in and a series of one on one matchups take place- more forcing through double teams. Everyone is playing the zone now so even if a player does dodge and beat their girl there's at least one defender waiting to stop the challenge or set up a free position. There's just not much motion or fluidity in this game. Rarely see a pretty assist and finish.

They need to adapt more features from the guys game. 50 yard restraining line, 6v6 in the zone, full pockets in the cross. Get passing and movement and athleticism back into the game. They have taken a few things recently- can kick the ball to get it out of a crowd, go in your own crease, but more is needed. Make it entertaining to watch. Fans might come watch.. on the men's side UNC v SU a few days ago had hundreds of fans, placed was packed. And the game was entertaining. There's no reason why the men's game should be that much better for fans. These women are great athletes, but their version of the game is holding them back big time.

It reminds me of the NBA in the 90's. Rough, physical super low scoring and tough to watch.
I disagree on a couple of your points. I don't think you know the woman's/girls game as well as the men. Giving the woman pockets in there sticks would change the game and lead to full gear and helmets, and any fan of the woman's game doesn't want that. The changes have to come in the rules committee in the way the refs call the game. Taking goals away from a team because the defense commits a foul is the worst rule in any sport and it happens all to often.

Charges have been called more often that this year, and that is a good thing, but they need to call dangerous play ( cross checks, dangerous checks...) with more yellow cards, and fragrantly dangerous play with red cards ( 20+ years of watching woman's lacrosse and have never seen a red card, girls have no fear of it).

What they do need to do is move to a progressive foul system. Just like in basketball, after 5 fouls you are thrown out of the game, that would stop a lot of fouls because they would need to stay in the game. As of now fouling a team in transition all the way down the field is a tactic acceptable to the NCAA and US Lacrosse so teams will continue to do so



The officials are horrendous and the players know they can't get away with anything. Unlike say NHL hockey where guys know a cross check in the back means a trip to the box. No 7 for Duke on attack was riding a mid and as she ran out of room approaching the 30 she just shoved her girl in the back with a cross check. NU player went flying and they blew the whistle. But no card of courwe.

This play wasn't supposed to be a point of emphasis when I went to the rules seminar that's mandatory for rec coaches. What a joke these refs are. Reminds me of the WWF with Danny dolan taking to a guy about a cheap shot while his manager hits the opponent over the head with a folding chair!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watching the NW v Duke on BTN replay- yes an insomniac it stinks. The women's game is flat tough to watch. Almost every clear consists of one girl barreling down the field with her head down, trying to force it through double teams, while being crosschecked and bumped for 70 yards, three whistles later you have a clear. Even the announcer just called it "scrappy"..

When they do finally gain the zone it's all crowded in and a series of one on one matchups take place- more forcing through double teams. Everyone is playing the zone now so even if a player does dodge and beat their girl there's at least one defender waiting to stop the challenge or set up a free position. There's just not much motion or fluidity in this game. Rarely see a pretty assist and finish.

They need to adapt more features from the guys game. 50 yard restraining line, 6v6 in the zone, full pockets in the cross. Get passing and movement and athleticism back into the game. They have taken a few things recently- can kick the ball to get it out of a crowd, go in your own crease, but more is needed. Make it entertaining to watch. Fans might come watch.. on the men's side UNC v SU a few days ago had hundreds of fans, placed was packed. And the game was entertaining. There's no reason why the men's game should be that much better for fans. These women are great athletes, but their version of the game is holding them back big time.

It reminds me of the NBA in the 90's. Rough, physical super low scoring and tough to watch.
I disagree on a couple of your points. I don't think you know the woman's/girls game as well as the men. Giving the woman pockets in there sticks would change the game and lead to full gear and helmets, and any fan of the woman's game doesn't want that. The changes have to come in the rules committee in the way the refs call the game. Taking goals away from a team because the defense commits a foul is the worst rule in any sport and it happens all to often.

Charges have been called more often that this year, and that is a good thing, but they need to call dangerous play ( cross checks, dangerous checks...) with more yellow cards, and fragrantly dangerous play with red cards ( 20+ years of watching woman's lacrosse and have never seen a red card, girls have no fear of it).

What they do need to do is move to a progressive foul system. Just like in basketball, after 5 fouls you are thrown out of the game, that would stop a lot of fouls because they would need to stay in the game. As of now fouling a team in transition all the way down the field is a tactic acceptable to the NCAA and US Lacrosse so teams will continue to do so


Progressive foul system???? Like basketball.?? In womens lax you would run out of defenders the way the game is called. If you watch a game, any doubt about a foul the call is made against the defenders. In Basketball players play both offense and defense. I get that fouling is a tactic that is used but the progressive foul idea is not a good one. Sorry
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watching the NW v Duke on BTN replay- yes an insomniac it stinks. The women's game is flat tough to watch. Almost every clear consists of one girl barreling down the field with her head down, trying to force it through double teams, while being crosschecked and bumped for 70 yards, three whistles later you have a clear. Even the announcer just called it "scrappy"..

When they do finally gain the zone it's all crowded in and a series of one on one matchups take place- more forcing through double teams. Everyone is playing the zone now so even if a player does dodge and beat their girl there's at least one defender waiting to stop the challenge or set up a free position. There's just not much motion or fluidity in this game. Rarely see a pretty assist and finish.

They need to adapt more features from the guys game. 50 yard restraining line, 6v6 in the zone, full pockets in the cross. Get passing and movement and athleticism back into the game. They have taken a few things recently- can kick the ball to get it out of a crowd, go in your own crease, but more is needed. Make it entertaining to watch. Fans might come watch.. on the men's side UNC v SU a few days ago had hundreds of fans, placed was packed. And the game was entertaining. There's no reason why the men's game should be that much better for fans. These women are great athletes, but their version of the game is holding them back big time.

It reminds me of the NBA in the 90's. Rough, physical super low scoring and tough to watch.
I disagree on a couple of your points. I don't think you know the woman's/girls game as well as the men. Giving the woman pockets in there sticks would change the game and lead to full gear and helmets, and any fan of the woman's game doesn't want that. The changes have to come in the rules committee in the way the refs call the game. Taking goals away from a team because the defense commits a foul is the worst rule in any sport and it happens all to often.

Charges have been called more often that this year, and that is a good thing, but they need to call dangerous play ( cross checks, dangerous checks...) with more yellow cards, and fragrantly dangerous play with red cards ( 20+ years of watching woman's lacrosse and have never seen a red card, girls have no fear of it).

What they do need to do is move to a progressive foul system. Just like in basketball, after 5 fouls you are thrown out of the game, that would stop a lot of fouls because they would need to stay in the game. As of now fouling a team in transition all the way down the field is a tactic acceptable to the NCAA and US Lacrosse so teams will continue to do so


Progressive foul system???? Like basketball.?? In womens lax you would run out of defenders the way the game is called. If you watch a game, any doubt about a foul the call is made against the defenders. In Basketball players play both offense and defense. I get that fouling is a tactic that is used but the progressive foul idea is not a good one. Sorry


agreed. bad idea. what happens after the 6 fouls a free position?? phh. who cares, most girls just back those out anyway. its a mache pit in there after 1 step.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear

IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 17

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 15-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 13-2 375 3
3 North Carolina 12-2 348 2
4 Stony Brook 13-1 346 4
5 Penn State 14-1 327 5
6 Princeton 10-2 290 7
7 Syracuse 12-4 265 12
8 Southern California 12-3 254 9
9 Colorado 13-2 238 6
10 Penn 10-2 234 9
11 Notre Dame 11-5 192 11
12 Cornell 10-2 190 8
13 Denver 12-2 147 13
14 Virginia 9-7 128 15
15 Northwestern 8-7 126 16
16 James Madison 10-5 98 17
17 Towson 9-5 87 13
18 Boston College 11-5 50 19
19 Virginia Tech 11-6 44 18
20 Duke 7-7 26 20




OK we are getting deep into the season. Do you go with the only winners from the last 25 years in NC, Maryland, NW Virginia or Princeton or do you take the field. My gut say NC or Maryland win it again and anyone else is still a longshot and an upset


MD is the clear and only favorite at this point - the only contest is for second place


Maryland, North Carolina, Florida and Penn State in the Final Four unless two of them meet in an earlier round.


I see what you did there, really went out on a limb picking 1, 2, 3 and 5. Hmmmm, what happens to 4? Someone is a hater or a troll.


Not a hater or a troll. I just do not think SBU will be in the Final Four. Why does that make me a hater? I don't think UVA, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Towson, Duke or Hofstra will be in the Final Four either. Does that make ma a hater of those teams as well?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watching the NW v Duke on BTN replay- yes an insomniac it stinks. The women's game is flat tough to watch. Almost every clear consists of one girl barreling down the field with her head down, trying to force it through double teams, while being crosschecked and bumped for 70 yards, three whistles later you have a clear. Even the announcer just called it "scrappy"..

When they do finally gain the zone it's all crowded in and a series of one on one matchups take place- more forcing through double teams. Everyone is playing the zone now so even if a player does dodge and beat their girl there's at least one defender waiting to stop the challenge or set up a free position. There's just not much motion or fluidity in this game. Rarely see a pretty assist and finish.

They need to adapt more features from the guys game. 50 yard restraining line, 6v6 in the zone, full pockets in the cross. Get passing and movement and athleticism back into the game. They have taken a few things recently- can kick the ball to get it out of a crowd, go in your own crease, but more is needed. Make it entertaining to watch. Fans might come watch.. on the men's side UNC v SU a few days ago had hundreds of fans, placed was packed. And the game was entertaining. There's no reason why the men's game should be that much better for fans. These women are great athletes, but their version of the game is holding them back big time.

It reminds me of the NBA in the 90's. Rough, physical super low scoring and tough to watch.



"had hundreds of fans, placed was packed" - I assume that's a typo? Would take more than hundreds to pack a stadium, even if it wasn't the Dome. Box score says 4000+.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear

IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 17

Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 15-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 13-2 375 3
3 North Carolina 12-2 348 2
4 Stony Brook 13-1 346 4
5 Penn State 14-1 327 5
6 Princeton 10-2 290 7
7 Syracuse 12-4 265 12
8 Southern California 12-3 254 9
9 Colorado 13-2 238 6
10 Penn 10-2 234 9
11 Notre Dame 11-5 192 11
12 Cornell 10-2 190 8
13 Denver 12-2 147 13
14 Virginia 9-7 128 15
15 Northwestern 8-7 126 16
16 James Madison 10-5 98 17
17 Towson 9-5 87 13
18 Boston College 11-5 50 19
19 Virginia Tech 11-6 44 18
20 Duke 7-7 26 20




OK we are getting deep into the season. Do you go with the only winners from the last 25 years in NC, Maryland, NW Virginia or Princeton or do you take the field. My gut say NC or Maryland win it again and anyone else is still a longshot and an upset


MD is the clear and only favorite at this point - the only contest is for second place


Maryland, North Carolina, Florida and Penn State in the Final Four unless two of them meet in an earlier round.


I see what you did there, really went out on a limb picking 1, 2, 3 and 5. Hmmmm, what happens to 4? Someone is a hater or a troll.


Not a hater or a troll. I just do not think SBU will be in the Final Four. Why does that make me a hater? I don't think UVA, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Towson, Duke or Hofstra will be in the Final Four either. Does that make ma a hater of those teams as well?


Not sure if it was you, or another poster but was talking about CU or USC in Final Four... If them why not SB?
I agree 100%...you would have no defenders left if you went with a progressive foul system like hoops because in today's game defenders already have have 0 rights. In today's game if you attack and get in the 8 meter it is an automatic foul on one of the defenders. A girl goes to goal and gets surrounded by 3 defenders...an automatic whistle. If you think you can go to goal you better expect to get bounced around in front of the goal.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watching the NW v Duke on BTN replay- yes an insomniac it stinks. The women's game is flat tough to watch. Almost every clear consists of one girl barreling down the field with her head down, trying to force it through double teams, while being crosschecked and bumped for 70 yards, three whistles later you have a clear. Even the announcer just called it "scrappy"..

When they do finally gain the zone it's all crowded in and a series of one on one matchups take place- more forcing through double teams. Everyone is playing the zone now so even if a player does dodge and beat their girl there's at least one defender waiting to stop the challenge or set up a free position. There's just not much motion or fluidity in this game. Rarely see a pretty assist and finish.

They need to adapt more features from the guys game. 50 yard restraining line, 6v6 in the zone, full pockets in the cross. Get passing and movement and athleticism back into the game. They have taken a few things recently- can kick the ball to get it out of a crowd, go in your own crease, but more is needed. Make it entertaining to watch. Fans might come watch.. on the men's side UNC v SU a few days ago had hundreds of fans, placed was packed. And the game was entertaining. There's no reason why the men's game should be that much better for fans. These women are great athletes, but their version of the game is holding them back big time.

It reminds me of the NBA in the 90's. Rough, physical super low scoring and tough to watch.
I disagree on a couple of your points. I don't think you know the woman's/girls game as well as the men. Giving the woman pockets in there sticks would change the game and lead to full gear and helmets, and any fan of the woman's game doesn't want that. The changes have to come in the rules committee in the way the refs call the game. Taking goals away from a team because the defense commits a foul is the worst rule in any sport and it happens all to often.

Charges have been called more often that this year, and that is a good thing, but they need to call dangerous play ( cross checks, dangerous checks...) with more yellow cards, and fragrantly dangerous play with red cards ( 20+ years of watching woman's lacrosse and have never seen a red card, girls have no fear of it).

What they do need to do is move to a progressive foul system. Just like in basketball, after 5 fouls you are thrown out of the game, that would stop a lot of fouls because they would need to stay in the game. As of now fouling a team in transition all the way down the field is a tactic acceptable to the NCAA and US Lacrosse so teams will continue to do so


Progressive foul system???? Like basketball.?? In womens lax you would run out of defenders the way the game is called. If you watch a game, any doubt about a foul the call is made against the defenders. In Basketball players play both offense and defense. I get that fouling is a tactic that is used but the progressive foul idea is not a good one. Sorry


agreed. bad idea. what happens after the 6 fouls a free position?? phh. who cares, most girls just back those out anyway. its a mache pit in there after 1 step.


not a bad idea, Excellent idea. Take player out of the game after X amount of fouls, not like the teams dont have benches. It would be the best thing. and dont say some teams have a hard time getting players to field a team. If a player is close, a coach needs to coach, move players rotate players etc. If you dont have another defender play a middie not like the twig is any different.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watching the NW v Duke on BTN replay- yes an insomniac it stinks. The women's game is flat tough to watch. Almost every clear consists of one girl barreling down the field with her head down, trying to force it through double teams, while being crosschecked and bumped for 70 yards, three whistles later you have a clear. Even the announcer just called it "scrappy"..

When they do finally gain the zone it's all crowded in and a series of one on one matchups take place- more forcing through double teams. Everyone is playing the zone now so even if a player does dodge and beat their girl there's at least one defender waiting to stop the challenge or set up a free position. There's just not much motion or fluidity in this game. Rarely see a pretty assist and finish.

They need to adapt more features from the guys game. 50 yard restraining line, 6v6 in the zone, full pockets in the cross. Get passing and movement and athleticism back into the game. They have taken a few things recently- can kick the ball to get it out of a crowd, go in your own crease, but more is needed. Make it entertaining to watch. Fans might come watch.. on the men's side UNC v SU a few days ago had hundreds of fans, placed was packed. And the game was entertaining. There's no reason why the men's game should be that much better for fans. These women are great athletes, but their version of the game is holding them back big time.

It reminds me of the NBA in the 90's. Rough, physical super low scoring and tough to watch.
I disagree on a couple of your points. I don't think you know the woman's/girls game as well as the men. Giving the woman pockets in there sticks would change the game and lead to full gear and helmets, and any fan of the woman's game doesn't want that. The changes have to come in the rules committee in the way the refs call the game. Taking goals away from a team because the defense commits a foul is the worst rule in any sport and it happens all to often.

Charges have been called more often that this year, and that is a good thing, but they need to call dangerous play ( cross checks, dangerous checks...) with more yellow cards, and fragrantly dangerous play with red cards ( 20+ years of watching woman's lacrosse and have never seen a red card, girls have no fear of it).

What they do need to do is move to a progressive foul system. Just like in basketball, after 5 fouls you are thrown out of the game, that would stop a lot of fouls because they would need to stay in the game. As of now fouling a team in transition all the way down the field is a tactic acceptable to the NCAA and US Lacrosse so teams will continue to do so


Progressive foul system???? Like basketball.?? In womens lax you would run out of defenders the way the game is called. If you watch a game, any doubt about a foul the call is made against the defenders. In Basketball players play both offense and defense. I get that fouling is a tactic that is used but the progressive foul idea is not a good one. Sorry


agreed. bad idea. what happens after the 6 fouls a free position?? phh. who cares, most girls just back those out anyway. its a mache pit in there after 1 step.


not a bad idea, Excellent idea. Take player out of the game after X amount of fouls, not like the teams dont have benches. It would be the best thing. and dont say some teams have a hard time getting players to field a team. If a player is close, a coach needs to coach, move players rotate players etc. If you dont have another defender play a middie not like the twig is any different.



Cmon.....I know your not serious with that response. An excellent idea?? Sooo...do we count just major fouls or all fouls. We stop the game so the official can walk over and give the players number-slow the game more. Hey....it will be good for defenders getting recruited since teams will have to carry about 8 of them.

"Cmon.....I know your not serious with that response. An excellent idea?? Sooo...do we count just major fouls or all fouls. We stop the game so the official can walk over and give the players number-slow the game more. Hey....it will be good for defenders getting recruited since teams will have to carry about 8 of them."

Cmon I know you are not serious with this post, just do like basketball does , its takes 2 seconds to hand signal the number of the offender. After a players 5th foul or a teams 8th foul the offending team plays man down for 2 minutes or something like that. If you have a kid who has 4 fouls you are going to either remove the stick swinger or instruct them to play within the rules. That said they need to call more charges.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Cmon.....I know your not serious with that response. An excellent idea?? Sooo...do we count just major fouls or all fouls. We stop the game so the official can walk over and give the players number-slow the game more. Hey....it will be good for defenders getting recruited since teams will have to carry about 8 of them."

Cmon I know you are not serious with this post, just do like basketball does , its takes 2 seconds to hand signal the number of the offender. After a players 5th foul or a teams 8th foul the offending team plays man down for 2 minutes or something like that. If you have a kid who has 4 fouls you are going to either remove the stick swinger or instruct them to play within the rules. That said they need to call more charges.


I'm all for it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Cmon.....I know your not serious with that response. An excellent idea?? Sooo...do we count just major fouls or all fouls. We stop the game so the official can walk over and give the players number-slow the game more. Hey....it will be good for defenders getting recruited since teams will have to carry about 8 of them."

Cmon I know you are not serious with this post, just do like basketball does , its takes 2 seconds to hand signal the number of the offender. After a players 5th foul or a teams 8th foul the offending team plays man down for 2 minutes or something like that. If you have a kid who has 4 fouls you are going to either remove the stick swinger or instruct them to play within the rules. That said they need to call more charges.
Have you ever watched a womans game? On any foul the offending player is put 4 meters behind, clearly singling out the player every time, it would take the table officle 3 seconds to put a mark next to a number on a sheet of paper. I can't believe there are so many dense people out there, the theory is that the players would STOP fouling to remain in the game, get pulled by the coach after the 3rd, or foul out. In case you haven't noticed, the average team carries about 25 players, so having enough players isn't really the issue, having enough top players is, with that said... the top players will have to learn how not to foul out. The only thing you said that make any sense is that reffs would have to start calling MORE charges (witch also counts as a foul twards ejection) and I have all ready stated in the origanl post that they have over the last year or so. The only people that would be opposed to this are the parents of, or players that commit the most fouls.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Cmon.....I know your not serious with that response. An excellent idea?? Sooo...do we count just major fouls or all fouls. We stop the game so the official can walk over and give the players number-slow the game more. Hey....it will be good for defenders getting recruited since teams will have to carry about 8 of them."

Cmon I know you are not serious with this post, just do like basketball does , its takes 2 seconds to hand signal the number of the offender. After a players 5th foul or a teams 8th foul the offending team plays man down for 2 minutes or something like that. If you have a kid who has 4 fouls you are going to either remove the stick swinger or instruct them to play within the rules. That said they need to call more charges.
Have you ever watched a womans game? On any foul the offending player is put 4 meters behind, clearly singling out the player every time, it would take the table officle 3 seconds to put a mark next to a number on a sheet of paper. I can't believe there are so many dense people out there, the theory is that the players would STOP fouling to remain in the game, get pulled by the coach after the 3rd, or foul out. In case you haven't noticed, the average team carries about 25 players, so having enough players isn't really the issue, having enough top players is, with that said... the top players will have to learn how not to foul out. The only thing you said that make any sense is that reffs would have to start calling MORE charges (witch also counts as a foul twards ejection) and I have all ready stated in the origanl post that they have over the last year or so. The only people that would be opposed to this are the parents of, or players that commit the most fouls.


you're ignorance is odd given you just asked the poster if they have ever seen a game. the average roster is about 38-40 players.

are you watching rec? travel? we're in the college forum...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Cmon.....I know your not serious with that response. An excellent idea?? Sooo...do we count just major fouls or all fouls. We stop the game so the official can walk over and give the players number-slow the game more. Hey....it will be good for defenders getting recruited since teams will have to carry about 8 of them."

Cmon I know you are not serious with this post, just do like basketball does , its takes 2 seconds to hand signal the number of the offender. After a players 5th foul or a teams 8th foul the offending team plays man down for 2 minutes or something like that. If you have a kid who has 4 fouls you are going to either remove the stick swinger or instruct them to play within the rules. That said they need to call more charges.
Have you ever watched a womans game? On any foul the offending player is put 4 meters behind, clearly singling out the player every time, it would take the table officle 3 seconds to put a mark next to a number on a sheet of paper. I can't believe there are so many dense people out there, the theory is that the players would STOP fouling to remain in the game, get pulled by the coach after the 3rd, or foul out. In case you haven't noticed, the average team carries about 25 players, so having enough players isn't really the issue, having enough top players is, with that said... the top players will have to learn how not to foul out. The only thing you said that make any sense is that reffs would have to start calling MORE charges (witch also counts as a foul twards ejection) and I have all ready stated in the origanl post that they have over the last year or so. The only people that would be opposed to this are the parents of, or players that commit the most fouls.


you're ignorance is odd given you just asked the poster if they have ever seen a game. the average roster is about 38-40 players.

are you watching rec? travel? we're in the college forum...

So you trying to be witty, in your simple way, just proved my argument. Seeing as every college team carries a roster of 38-40 players Though thats not even close to true you dolt) there is no worry about fouling out all of your defenders because with a roster of, on the low side for your simple self, you have at least 8 for every position, including goalies, with a few spares.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Cmon.....I know your not serious with that response. An excellent idea?? Sooo...do we count just major fouls or all fouls. We stop the game so the official can walk over and give the players number-slow the game more. Hey....it will be good for defenders getting recruited since teams will have to carry about 8 of them."

Cmon I know you are not serious with this post, just do like basketball does , its takes 2 seconds to hand signal the number of the offender. After a players 5th foul or a teams 8th foul the offending team plays man down for 2 minutes or something
like that. If you have a kid who has 4 fouls you are going to either remove the stick swinger or instruct them to play within the rules. That said they need to call more charges.
Have you ever watched a womans game? On any foul the offending player is put 4 meters behind, clearly singling out the player every time, it would take the table officle 3 seconds to put a mark next to a number on a sheet of paper. I can't believe there are so many dense people out there, the theory is that the players would STOP fouling to remain in the game, get pulled by the coach after the 3rd, or foul out. In case you haven't noticed, the average team carries about 25 players, so having enough players isn't really the issue, having enough top players is, with that said... the top players will have to learn how not to foul out. The only thing you said that make any sense is that reffs would have to start calling MORE charges (witch also counts as a foul twards ejection) and I have all ready stated in the origanl post that they have over the last year or so. The only people that would be opposed to this are the parents of, or players that commit the most fouls.


you're ignorance is odd given you just asked the poster if they have ever seen a game. the average roster is about 38-40 players.

are you watching rec? travel? we're in the college forum...

So you trying to be witty, in your simple way, just proved my argument. Seeing as every college team carries a roster of 38-40 players Though thats not even close to true you dolt) there is no worry about fouling out all of your defenders because with a roster of, on the low side for your simple self, you have at least 8 for every position, including goalies, with a few spares.


Thanks for answering the question of what happens when you mix alcohol with stupidity. Keep posting Mr. Incoherent it's actually very comical.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Cmon.....I know your not serious with that response. An excellent idea?? Sooo...do we count just major fouls or all fouls. We stop the game so the official can walk over and give the players number-slow the game more. Hey....it will be good for defenders getting recruited since teams will have to carry about 8 of them."

Cmon I know you are not serious with this post, just do like basketball does , its takes 2 seconds to hand signal the number of the offender. After a players 5th foul or a teams 8th foul the offending team plays man down for 2 minutes or something
like that. If you have a kid who has 4 fouls you are going to either remove the stick swinger or instruct them to play within the rules. That said they need to call more charges.
Have you ever watched a womans game? On any foul the offending player is put 4 meters behind, clearly singling out the player every time, it would take the table officle 3 seconds to put a mark next to a number on a sheet of paper. I can't believe there are so many dense people out there, the theory is that the players would STOP fouling to remain in the game, get pulled by the coach after the 3rd, or foul out. In case you haven't noticed, the average team carries about 25 players, so having enough players isn't really the issue, having enough top players is, with that said... the top players will have to learn how not to foul out. The only thing you said that make any sense is that reffs would have to start calling MORE charges (witch also counts as a foul twards ejection) and I have all ready stated in the origanl post that they have over the last year or so. The only people that would be opposed to this are the parents of, or players that commit the most fouls.


you're ignorance is odd given you just asked the poster if they have ever seen a game. the average roster is about 38-40 players.

are you watching rec? travel? we're in the college forum...

So you trying to be witty, in your simple way, just proved my argument. Seeing as every college team carries a roster of 38-40 players Though thats not even close to true you dolt) there is no worry about fouling out all of your defenders because with a roster of, on the low side for your simple self, you have at least 8 for every position, including goalies, with a few spares.


Thanks for answering the question of what happens when you mix alcohol with stupidity. Keep posting Mr. Incoherent it's actually very comical.
So I'll try to be as "coherent" as possible for you..... You come on here and say a progressive foul system will not work because after 5 fouls each you would be out of defenders. If i am not mistaken some poster said a team would have to carry 8 defenders to allow for the girls that cant seem to not cross check, push, and swing at peoples heads. then one of you brillant people came on here and said every team carries a squad of 38 to 40 players. Now i might be incoherent, but i can do math...... I will slow it down for you seeing as you are not that smart. with a squad of 38 players....... and 4 positions on the field divided equally you come up with 9 players per position with 2 spare players........ according to your vast knowlage of the game, combined with those simple numbers, you have more than enough players to cover a game.

Now, in reality, most teams carry something closer to 25 - 30 players (not the fantasy numbers you quote and even 30 is a big squad), but even that allows st least 6 players per position with a couple of spares. We all know you dont carry 6 goalies so that frees up a coupe of more yet still enough to cover the afore mentiond girls that can't stop fouling. The real problem, that you can't seem to articulate, is that a team would not have enough top defenders to compete. and that I will agree to, and is also my point. If a teams top players continue to foul the will be removed from the game, hurting the teams chances for victory, so thny would then have to not commit as many fouls to remain in the game, that would llead to less whistles and a smoother game. Unless of course you like everytime a girl starts a fast break all the defender has to do is push her to stop the play instead of really trying to defend, but that would make you part of the problem, witch you clearly are. was that "Coherent" enough for you or do you need me to explain the rest of the game to you.

One last thing, not every foul would count, 3 seconds, reaching across the body, empty stick check, offsides, crease violation, and shooting space violations would not count to the 5, only body contact fouls like cross checks, pushes, charges, stick to the head, plus shooting fouls like dangerous shots would count. Those are the fouls that happen most frequently and slow the game in the midfield the most. Every foul called today singles out the offending players all the table reff has to do is keep t sheet with every number on it and put a check next to the # when ths foul is called, after 5 that player is ejected quite simple
Watched the MD / PSU game a couple nights ago. No fan of either and actually so tired of MD winning nearly every year but have to give Reese credit. the offense they run is the only one I have ever seen that can consistently produce good shots. Dodge first or whatever they call it is nothing unique in women's lacrosse. What MD does is clear out when a girls gonna challenge. If a player is out on the wing, the other 6 clear out to the other side of the arc. Gets rid of any potential slides.

Other teams have girls trying to dodge from out top, D help is just a few steps away, and girls end up trying to plow through 3 girls to get to the rack and end up with a free position at best. Wouldn't you think other coaches when they are watching tape would recognize how much easier it is if you can create true 1on1 matchups??

As I said pretty tired of them winning every year but it ain't a coincidence, that team is organized..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Cmon.....I know your not serious with that response. An excellent idea?? Sooo...do we count just major fouls or all fouls. We stop the game so the official can walk over and give the players number-slow the game more. Hey....it will be good for defenders getting recruited since teams will have to carry about 8 of them."

Cmon I know you are not serious with this post, just do like basketball does , its takes 2 seconds to hand signal the number of the offender. After a players 5th foul or a teams
8th foul the offending team plays man down for 2 minutes or something
like that. If you have a kid who has 4 fouls you are going to either remove the stick swinger or instruct them to play within the rules. That said they need to call more charges.
Have you ever watched a womans game? On any foul the offending player is put 4 meters behind, clearly singling out the player every time, it would take the table officle 3 seconds to put a mark next to a number on a sheet of paper. I can't believe there are so many dense people out there, the theory is that the players would STOP fouling to remain in the game, get pulled by the coach after the 3rd, or foul out. In case you haven't noticed, the average team carries about 25 players, so having enough players isn't really the issue, having enough top players is, with that said... the top players will have to learn how not to foul out. The only thing you said that make any sense is that reffs would have to start calling MORE charges (witch also counts as a foul twards ejection) and I have all ready stated in the origanl post that they have over the last year or so. The only people that would be opposed to this are the parents of, or players that commit the most fouls.


you're ignorance is odd given you just asked the poster if they have ever seen a game. the average roster is about 38-40 players.

are you watching rec? travel? we're in the college forum...

So you trying to be witty, in your simple way, just proved my argument. Seeing as every college team carries a roster of 38-40 players Though thats not even close to true you dolt) there is no worry about fouling out all of your defenders because with a roster of, on the low side for your simple self, you have at least 8 for every position, including goalies, with a few spares.


Thanks for answering the question of what happens when you mix alcohol with stupidity. Keep posting Mr. Incoherent it's actually very comical.
So I'll try to be as "coherent" as possible for you..... You come on here and say a progressive foul system will not work because after 5 fouls each you would be out of defenders. If i am not mistaken some poster said a team would have to carry 8 defenders to allow for the girls that cant seem to not cross check, push, and swing at peoples heads. then one of you brillant people came on here and said every team carries a squad of 38 to 40 players. Now i might be incoherent, but i can do math...... I will slow it down for you seeing as you are not that smart. with a squad of 38 players....... and 4 positions on the field divided equally you come up with 9 players per position with 2 spare players........ according to your vast knowlage of the game, combined with those simple numbers, you have more than enough players to cover a game.

Now, in reality, most teams carry something closer to 25 - 30 players (not the fantasy numbers you quote and even 30 is a big squad), but even that allows st least 6 players per position with a couple of spares. We all know you dont carry 6 goalies so that frees up a coupe of more yet still enough to cover the afore mentiond girls that can't stop fouling. The real problem, that you can't seem to articulate, is that a team would not have enough top defenders to compete. and that I will agree to, and is also my point. If a teams top players continue to foul the will be removed from the game, hurting the teams chances for victory, so thny would then have to not commit as many fouls to remain in the game, that would llead to less whistles and a smoother game. Unless of course you like everytime a girl starts a fast break all the defender has to do is push her to stop the play instead of really trying to defend, but that would make you part of the problem, witch you clearly are. was that "Coherent" enough for you or do you need me to explain the rest of the game to you.

One last thing, not every foul would count, 3 seconds, reaching across the body, empty stick check, offsides, crease violation, and shooting space violations would not count to the 5, only body contact fouls like cross checks, pushes, charges, stick to the head, plus shooting fouls like dangerous shots would count. Those are the fouls that happen most frequently and slow the game in the midfield the most. Every foul called today singles out the offending players all the table reff has to do is keep t sheet with every number on it and put a check next to the # when ths foul is called, after 5 that player is ejected quite simple



You really are an idiot . Not one person will read your entire diatribe and you are so idiot you do not eve not get the fact that you are arguing with people who are on your side of the argument . Put the bottle down and the keyboard away.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Cmon.....I know your not serious with that response. An excellent idea?? Sooo...do we count just major fouls or all fouls. We stop the game so the official can walk over and give the players number-slow the game more. Hey....it will be good for defenders getting recruited since teams will have to carry about 8 of them."

Cmon I know you are not serious with this post, just do like basketball does , its takes 2 seconds to hand signal the number of the offender. After a players 5th foul or a teams 8th foul the offending team plays man down for 2 minutes or something
like that. If you have a kid who has 4 fouls you are going to either remove the stick swinger or instruct them to play within the rules. That said they need to call more charges.
Have you ever watched a womans game? On any foul the offending player is put 4 meters behind, clearly singling out the player every time, it would take the table officle 3 seconds to put a mark next to a number on a sheet of paper. I can't believe there are so many dense people out there, the theory is that the players would STOP fouling to remain in the game, get pulled by the coach after the 3rd, or foul out. In case you haven't noticed, the average team carries about 25 players, so having enough players isn't really the issue, having enough top players is, with that said... the top players will have to learn how not to foul out. The only thing you said that make any sense is that reffs would have to start calling MORE charges (witch also counts as a foul twards ejection) and I have all ready stated in the origanl post that they have over the last year or so. The only people that would be opposed to this are the parents of, or players that commit the most fouls.


you're ignorance is odd given you just asked the poster if they have ever seen a game. the average roster is about 38-40 players.

are you watching rec? travel? we're in the college forum...

So you trying to be witty, in your simple way, just proved my argument. Seeing as every college team carries a roster of 38-40 players Though thats not even close to true you dolt) there is no worry about fouling out all of your defenders because with a roster of, on the low side for your simple self, you have at least 8 for every position, including goalies, with a few spares.


Thanks for answering the question of what happens when you mix alcohol with stupidity. Keep posting Mr. Incoherent it's actually very comical.


Agreed!!!! This is funny stuff.. get him another round bottoms up tiger!!!

Hofstra out of playoffs. Will SS finally be out of a job?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hofstra over Towson 17-15. I guess SS gonna hang around another year. GO PRIDE!!!


Back to reality today... Elon 15, Hofstra 7...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hofstra out of playoffs. Will SS finally be out of a job?



No. Great freshman class. Parrella is a beast. Matterra and Gerety are very good too. Good sophomore goalie. Big improvement from last year. SS stays.
They also will be .500 she's sticking around.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They also will be .500 she's sticking around.


Most schools could care less about lacrosse. Hofstra made their position on sports known when they axed football. SS is above average with very good connections, strong name recognition, one of the best to ever play the game and continues to evolve as a coach. Sorry but being a top gun or YJ coach is nothing more than politics and dumping out a ball bag so there was a learning curve.

She is recruiting better and coaching better and she isn't breaking the bank at a school that isn't really a top tier academic or athletic school. She stays for the long haul.
IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 24
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 16-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 14-2 377 2
3 North Carolina 13-2 357 3
4 Stony Brook 14-1 341 4
5 Penn State 14-2 321 5
6 Princeton 11-3 275 6
7 Southern California 14-3 272 8
8 Penn 12-2 259 10
9 Colorado 15-2 252 9
10 Syracuse 13-5 238 7
11 Cornell 10-4 184 12
12 Virginia 10-7 168 14
13 Notre Dame 11-6 154 11
14 Northwestern 9-7 143 15
15 Boston College 12-5 124 18
16 Denver 12-3 87 13
17 Towson 11-5 72 17
18 James Madison 11-6 58 16
19 Louisville 11-6 49 NR
20 Virginia Tech 11-7 33 19
IWLCA Poll for Division II, April 24
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Le Moyne 14-0 391 11 3
2 Lindenwood 17-0 384 9 2
3 Adelphi 13-1 365 1
4 Florida Southern 17-2 339 4
5 LIU Post 11-2 318 5
6 Florida Tech 12-2 272 9
7 Limestone 15-3 265 7
8 Queens 14-3 263 8
9 Rollins 12-4 251 6
10 New Haven 11-3 231 10
11 Pace 11-3 186 11
12 West Chester 11-3 172 12
12 NYIT 14-1 172 13
14 Regis (CO) 14-1 131 15
15 East Stroudsburg 13-2 115 17
16 Mercy 13-2 98 16
17 Mercyhurst 9-4 70 14
18 Stonehill 9-6 69 18
19 Indiana (PA) 10-5 65 19
20 Seton Hill 9-7 11 NR
IWLCA Poll for Division III, April 24
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 College of NJ. 11-1 391 16 1
2 Washington & Lee 12-1 372 2 2
3 Gettysburg 13-2 362 2 3
4 [lacrosse] 14-2 324 5
5 Messiah 12-2 307 7
6 Colby 11-3 290 10
7 Middlebury 11-3 279 4
8 William Smith 14-1 273 8
9 Hamilton 11-4 240 11
10 Franklin & Marshall 12-4 232 9
11 Trinity (CT) 11-3 207 6
12 Ithaca 12-3 175 12
13 Salisbury 12-5 162 13
14 Catholic (DC) 10-4 122 14
15 Mary Washington 14-5 100 14
16 Bowdoin 10-4 89 16
17 Wesleyan (CT) 10-4 81 20
18 Cortland 11-3 76 17
19 Brockport 12-1 60 19
20 Tufts 9-5 37 18
Originally Posted by baldbear
IWLCA Poll for Division II, April 24
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Le Moyne 14-0 391 11 3
2 Lindenwood 17-0 384 9 2
3 Adelphi 13-1 365 1
4 Florida Southern 17-2 339 4
5 LIU Post 11-2 318 5
6 Florida Tech 12-2 272 9
7 Limestone 15-3 265 7
8 Queens 14-3 263 8
9 Rollins 12-4 251 6
10 New Haven 11-3 231 10
11 Pace 11-3 186 11
12 West Chester 11-3 172 12
12 NYIT 14-1 172 13
14 Regis (CO) 14-1 131 15
15 East Stroudsburg 13-2 115 17
16 Mercy 13-2 98 16
17 Mercyhurst 9-4 70 14
18 Stonehill 9-6 69 18
19 Indiana (PA) 10-5 65 19
20 Seton Hill 9-7 11 NR

Long Island girls Ohlmiller and Apuzzo best in the country right now. Love watching them both, Apuzzo does everything right, KO is a human highlight reel. Both don't get credit, both have put together better seasons than McCool. These lax media outlets hype some players up and they don't even deserve it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island girls Ohlmiller and Apuzzo best in the country right now. Love watching them both, Apuzzo does everything right, KO is a human highlight reel. Both don't get credit, both have put together better seasons than McCool. These lax media outlets hype some players up and they don't even deserve it.

Yes I very much agree.
So great to see so many new D2 programs in the top 20, and completely agree with some girls getting overlooked!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island girls Ohlmiller and Apuzzo best in the country right now. Love watching them both, Apuzzo does everything right, KO is a human highlight reel. Both don't get credit, both have put together better seasons than McCool. These lax media outlets hype some players up and they don't even deserve it.
Both are pretty good but far behind Ronbeck at Florida
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island girls Ohlmiller and Apuzzo best in the country right now. Love watching them both, Apuzzo does everything right, KO is a human highlight reel. Both don't get credit, both have put together better seasons than McCool. These lax media outlets hype some players up and they don't even deserve it.



Only LI people care.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island girls Ohlmiller and Apuzzo best in the country right now. Love watching them both, Apuzzo does everything right, KO is a human highlight reel. Both don't get credit, both have put together better seasons than McCool. These lax media outlets hype some players up and they don't even deserve it.
Both are pretty good but far behind Ronbeck at Florida


This is just so wrong, Both players have more points then Ronbeck.
My daughter committed to Villanova as a 2018 and she is regretting it every second. The team is terrible and the coach will probably be gone by the time she gets there. What the heck is going on at that school? The school has such a proud history of great sports .. how does the AD let her destroy this program?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island girls Ohlmiller and Apuzzo best in the country right now. Love watching them both, Apuzzo does everything right, KO is a human highlight reel. Both don't get credit, both have put together better seasons than McCool. These lax media outlets hype some players up and they don't even deserve it.
Both are pretty good but far behind Ronbeck at Florida


This is just so wrong, Both players have more points then Ronbeck.
so points scored is the only criteria your going by? She playes on a team of studs and is 3rd in points. Both KO and aapuzzo are there respective teams offence.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughter committed to Villanova as a 2018 and she is regretting it every second. The team is terrible and the coach will probably be gone by the time she gets there. What the heck is going on at that school? The school has such a proud history of great sports .. how does the AD let her destroy this program?


I hate to say it, but this is just another reason early recruiting is a bad idea. So much can change in 2,3,4 years. I can't imagine there are many parents whose kids commit early that don't worry if they made the right choice.
Maybe your daughter still has time to play somewhere else? If not, take the great education Villanova has to offer. Good luck.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughter committed to Villanova as a 2018 and she is regretting it every second. The team is terrible and the coach will probably be gone by the time she gets there. What the heck is going on at that school? The school has such a proud history of great sports .. how does the AD let her destroy this program?


Actually, if you did your research you would know that Villanova only really cares about men's basketball and their men's track/cross country program. The other sports not so much. It is a great school, they just don't emphasize their sports.
The Villanova girls basically hate that coach. She is dishonest, moody, does not motivate them at all and is nasty. There's a reason why she's not getting the results she should. Even the starters hate her. Why do you think she cycles through assistant coaches every year? With any luck, she WILL be gone by the time your daughter gets there. Keep your fingers crossed.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughter committed to Villanova as a 2018 and she is regretting it every second. The team is terrible and the coach will probably be gone by the time she gets there. What the heck is going on at that school? The school has such a proud history of great sports .. how does the AD let her destroy this program?


I'm sure you got a lot of money to go there. Just be happy with that
As of a few years ago Villanova was not fully funded. Not sure if that has changed but the current junior and senior classes at Villanova were recruited when the program was no more than 50% funded. That has a tremendous impact on talent. It does not change the fact that the coach has a terrible reputation - that impacts recruiting as well. Just adding more insight.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughter committed to Villanova as a 2018 and she is regretting it every second. The team is terrible and the coach will probably be gone by the time she gets there. What the heck is going on at that school? The school has such a proud history of great sports .. how does the AD let her destroy this program?


Just got some intel on this from a big booster (who played basketball there many years ago). Basically unless it's basketball baseball or track the university doesn't know it exists. She runs things 100 percent her way period. No matter who she snubs or how many loses it doesn't even hit the radar. This guy could be wrong but he is a legit insider so I am passing it along.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughter committed to Villanova as a 2018 and she is regretting it every second. The team is terrible and the coach will probably be gone by the time she gets there. What the heck is going on at that school? The school has such a proud history of great sports .. how does the AD let her destroy this program?


you go to villanova for a top level education you moron. Womens lax is a game that no one cares about except us parents. If my kid could get in to Villa with either grades or lax I would be jumping up and down
Why do you have to call me a moron? Everyone else offered great insights and a lot of information, particularly about the Head Coach and her relationship with the team. I'm shocked about the university commitment to woman's lax.
I want my daughter to be happy balancing both a great education and a sport she loves. I'm not a moron. I'd like to see my daughter have an all around great experience. If she's miserable all year long with her lax commitment, how will she benefit from the awesome education that we expect of NOVA.

We were told by Young that she was finally ridding her team of the 2nd rate recruits that she was "stuck with" from her predecessor and now building a powerful Big East team. Not sure the $$ my daughter earned will be worth it.

As a note from this moron, there are some pretty amazing schools out there that have tremendous woman's lax programs. Princeton, UPENN, Bucknell, Georgetown, Vanderbilt and several others.

Not sure we should be settling for a miserable coach at a great school. We might not.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughter committed to Villanova as a 2018 and she is regretting it every second. The team is terrible and the coach will probably be gone by the time she gets there. What the heck is going on at that school? The school has such a proud history of great sports .. how does the AD let her destroy this program?


you go to villanova for a top level education you moron. Womens lax is a game that no one cares about except us parents. If my kid could get in to Villa with either grades or lax I would be jumping up and down



So let me get this right.... You are calling this parent a moron. The same parent who has a daughter that got $$ to go to Villanova to play lacrosse on a D1team.

Yet you admit that your kid doesn't have either the athletic skills nor the brains to do even step on campus. And then you make a statement that NO ONE cares about woman's lax. Apparently you have passed down the "moron and spaz" gene to your entire family.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you have to call me a moron? Everyone else offered great insights and a lot of information, particularly about the Head Coach and her relationship with the team. I'm shocked about the university commitment to woman's lax.
I want my daughter to be happy balancing both a great education and a sport she loves. I'm not a moron. I'd like to see my daughter have an all around great experience. If she's miserable all year long with her lax commitment, how will she benefit from the awesome education that we expect of NOVA.

We were told by Young that she was finally ridding her team of the 2nd rate recruits that she was "stuck with" from her predecessor and now building a powerful Big East team. Not sure the $$ my daughter earned will be worth it.

As a note from this moron, there are some pretty amazing schools out there that have tremendous woman's lax programs. Princeton, UPENN, Bucknell, Georgetown, Vanderbilt and several others.

Not sure we should be settling for a miserable coach at a great school. We might not.




Here is my advice. And this comes from experience. RUN!!!!
My daughter was miserable and cried for 2 straight years under this coach. That woman has ice running though her veins. And my daughter was a starter for her entire career at Nova. How do you think she treated the girls on the bench? Assistant coaches always talked behind her back. It was a very confusing time for these girls. My daughter graduated and never fully told us how miserable she was because she felt obligated to the money she was getting to help with her education. At the time, we assumed it was just coaches tough love but after graduating my daughter let it all out. I'd give that money back in a second for a better overall college experience. Hopefully she's gone by the time your daughter gets there. She should be. If not, Run!!!


I have heard similar things about Nova staff. As a 2019 parent I have seen very, very good players turned away by the head coach some of which who gone on to commit to top D1 programs. My daughter had been to several clinics and prospect days at Nova and at almost all of them she came out feeling the same way about head coach... not good, couldn't put her finger on it but just a bad vibe. It's too bad bc they are definitely falling behind and losing talented players bc of her. I'm hoping something changes. It's unfortunate bc you would think that a school like Nova should be competitive both academically and athletically. That's the good thing about a verbal, you can always change your mind. Your child's happiness and success is the most important thing.
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Why do you have to call me a moron? Everyone else offered great insights and a lot of information, particularly about the Head Coach and her relationship with the team. I'm shocked about the university commitment to woman's lax.
I want my daughter to be happy balancing both a great education and a sport she loves. I'm not a moron. I'd like to see my daughter have an all around great experience. If she's miserable all year long with her lax commitment, how will she benefit from the awesome education that we expect of NOVA.

We were told by Young that she was finally ridding her team of the 2nd rate recruits that she was "stuck with" from her predecessor and now building a powerful Big East team. Not sure the $$ my daughter earned will be worth it.

As a note from this moron, there are some pretty amazing schools out there that have tremendous woman's lax programs. Princeton, UPENN, Bucknell, Georgetown, Vanderbilt and several others.

Not sure we should be settling for a miserable coach at a great school. We might not.


I completely agree with your assessment about the entire experience and how critical lax is as a major time commitment for these girls. I am not sure how you are judging "great lax programs", but if it is by wins and losses Bucknell and Vanderbilt are not very good examples. Vanderbilt has not had a winning season since 2010 and Bucknell has two since 2005.
I find that to be an interesting comment form Young considering she recruited the present freshmen, sophomores and juniors...3/4 of the team! She's just a bad coach and a horrible person.
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I have heard similar things about Nova staff. As a 2019 parent I have seen very, very good players turned away by the head coach some of which who gone on to commit to top D1 programs. My daughter had been to several clinics and prospect days at Nova and at almost all of them she came out feeling the same way about head coach... not good, couldn't put her finger on it but just a bad vibe. It's too bad bc they are definitely falling behind and losing talented players bc of her. I'm hoping something changes. It's unfortunate bc you would think that a school like Nova should be competitive both academically and athletically. That's the good thing about a verbal, you can always change your mind. Your child's happiness and success is the most important thing.


Does anybody think its any different at Florida, Hofstra, Northwestern and many other programs known to have crazy coaches? The stories coming from these schools are no different, the only difference is FL and NW win...
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I have heard similar things about Nova staff. As a 2019 parent I have seen very, very good players turned away by the head coach some of which who gone on to commit to top D1 programs. My daughter had been to several clinics and prospect days at Nova and at almost all of them she came out feeling the same way about head coach... not good, couldn't put her finger on it but just a bad vibe. It's too bad bc they are definitely falling behind and losing talented players bc of her. I'm hoping something changes. It's unfortunate bc you would think that a school like Nova should be competitive both academically and athletically. That's the good thing about a verbal, you can always change your mind. Your child's happiness and success is the most important thing.


Does anybody think its any different at Florida, Hofstra, Northwestern and many other programs known to have crazy coaches? The stories coming from these schools are no different, the only difference is FL and NW win...


That was exactly my point on my original post. We have no issue with having selected a great academic school that has a coach who runs a team with a "tough love" hardline approach. Potentially a "crazy coach" But year after year with win/loss records of 3-14, 3-15, 1-8 in your conference ?? Come on!!

What is apparent from the feedback on these posts is that her players and assistants don't like her, she's nasty, and they don't play for her. And THAT is reflected in her record. If your going to be a crazy coach at least WIN.

My questions was "How does the AD ignore that?" Give me a great academic school with a tough "crazy" coach that the girls respect/play for and the wins will come. And ..... the girls will be happy. They are competitors their entire life. The last thing they want to do is end their athletic careers under the direction of misery.

We were blindsided by responses to our post. The character and capabilities of Coach Young are deeply troubling.




Looks like Young will end her awesome season by beating up on Butler's 1-15 team and then tell her team "Great job, we ended the season strong, it's a rebuilding year. Now give me my check and I'll see you next year"
Villanova coach is dumb and lazy, I know of a recruit who would of gone to Nova and wanted to commit at the clinic. The coach never made an offer and now this kid is committed to BC. Seems she needs to be fired as Villanova should be better as it is a nice school. Its very similar to BC and Georgetown so it should be able to draw those type of players.
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Long Island girls Ohlmiller and Apuzzo best in the country right now. Love watching them both, Apuzzo does everything right, KO is a human highlight reel. Both don't get credit, both have put together better seasons than McCool. These lax media outlets hype some players up and they don't even deserve it.
Both are pretty good but far behind Ronbeck at Florida


Not disputing Ronbeck is a very solid player, but if you can't recognize what Ohlmiller is doing right now, you are oblivious. She is putting together one of the bet statistical seasons ever produced. But forget that, go watch what she is doing, without putting numbers on anything, she is doing amazing things on the field, jaw dropping, omg play after play. Obviously all the lacrosse media outlet also agree as she owns nearly all the highlight reel action too. This is not to put Ronbeck down, or any other player, but this kid is playing on another planet right now, I have been following D1 for well over a decade and have seen all of the greats through that time play. This kid is right there with any of them. As a side note, I am not a fan of SBU. Oddly enough I am a gator fan.
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Villanova coach is dumb and lazy, I know of a recruit who would of gone to Nova and wanted to commit at the clinic. The coach never made an offer and now this kid is committed to BC. Seems she needs to be fired as Villanova should be better as it is a nice school. Its very similar to BC and Georgetown so it should be able to draw those type of players.


Had similar issues. Never got a real answer from the coach or assistants. Talked in circles. Made several visits for clinics and meetings. Had required GPA and exam scores... Just got strung along. Glad we went elsewhere.
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Long Island girls Ohlmiller and Apuzzo best in the country right now. Love watching them both, Apuzzo does everything right, KO is a human highlight reel. Both don't get credit, both have put together better seasons than McCool. These lax media outlets hype some players up and they don't even deserve it.
Both are pretty good but far behind Ronbeck at Florida


Not disputing Ronbeck is a very solid player, but if you can't recognize what Ohlmiller is doing right now, you are oblivious. She is putting together one of the bet statistical seasons ever produced. But forget that, go watch what she is doing, without putting numbers on anything, she is doing amazing things on the field, jaw dropping, omg play after play. Obviously all the lacrosse media outlet also agree as she owns nearly all the highlight reel action too. This is not to put Ronbeck down, or any other player, but this kid is playing on another planet right now, I have been following D1 for well over a decade and have seen all of the greats through that time play. This kid is right there with any of them. As a side note, I am not a fan of SBU. Oddly enough I am a gator fan.



Sorry but neither of those two are the best players in the country. KO may be the best offensive player (debatable) but she does nothing on the draw circle and nothing on the defensive side. She has put up those numbers against mostly weak competition. There are several players that make a much bigger impact on the overall game.If the Tewaaraton award went to the kid with the most behind the back goals or high light shots( even when not needed) then yes she would be at the top of the list. Give me a player that score goals, gets assists, gets draw controls,ground balls, involved in the clear, gets turn overs ,and plays lock down defense over the kid that has a knack for the trick shot.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island girls Ohlmiller and Apuzzo best in the country right now. Love watching them both, Apuzzo does everything right, KO is a human highlight reel. Both don't get credit, both have put together better seasons than McCool. These lax media outlets hype some players up and they don't even deserve it.
Both are pretty good but far behind Ronbeck at Florida


Not disputing Ronbeck is a very solid player, but if you can't recognize what Ohlmiller is doing right now, you are oblivious. She is putting together one of the bet statistical seasons ever produced. But forget that, go watch what she is doing, without putting numbers on anything, she is doing amazing things on the field, jaw dropping, omg play after play. Obviously all the lacrosse media outlet also agree as she owns nearly all the highlight reel action too. This is not to put Ronbeck down, or any other player, but this kid is playing on another planet right now, I have been following D1 for well over a decade and have seen all of the greats through that time play. This kid is right there with any of them. As a side note, I am not a fan of SBU. Oddly enough I am a gator fan.


Putting up 10-12 points against some very bad teams to make her best statistical season ever? she is unreal, but save the numbers...her teammate had 100 goals last year remember?
Pick a school that your kid would like to stay at if she quit, got hurt, changed coaches or never played again. If you looking at schools based entirely based on lax and a coach you are going to be disappointed. Only about half of all girls play for four years. Think about that for a second. Good Luck!!!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island girls Ohlmiller and Apuzzo best in the country right now. Love watching them both, Apuzzo does everything right, KO is a human highlight reel. Both don't get credit, both have put together better seasons than McCool. These lax media outlets hype some players up and they don't even deserve it.
Both are pretty good but far behind Ronbeck at Florida


Not disputing Ronbeck is a very solid player, but if you can't recognize what Ohlmiller is doing right now, you are oblivious. She is putting together one of the bet statistical seasons ever produced. But forget that, go watch what she is doing, without putting numbers on anything, she is doing amazing things on the field, jaw dropping, omg play after play. Obviously all the lacrosse media outlet also agree as she owns nearly all the highlight reel action too. This is not to put Ronbeck down, or any other player, but this kid is playing on another planet right now, I have been following D1 for well over a decade and have seen all of the greats through that time play. This kid is right there with any of them. As a side note, I am not a fan of SBU. Oddly enough I am a gator fan.



Sorry but neither of those two are the best players in the country. KO may be the best offensive player (debatable) but she does nothing on the draw circle and nothing on the defensive side. She has put up those numbers against mostly weak competition. There are several players that make a much bigger impact on the overall game.If the Tewaaraton award went to the kid with the most behind the back goals or high light shots( even when not needed) then yes she would be at the top of the list. Give me a player that score goals, gets assists, gets draw controls,ground balls, involved in the clear, gets turn overs ,and plays lock down defense over the kid that has a knack for the trick shot.


apuzzo is a more complete player
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island girls Ohlmiller and Apuzzo best in the country right now. Love watching them both, Apuzzo does everything right, KO is a human highlight reel. Both don't get credit, both have put together better seasons than McCool. These lax media outlets hype some players up and they don't even deserve it.
Both are pretty good but far behind Ronbeck at Florida


Not disputing Ronbeck is a very solid player, but if you can't recognize what Ohlmiller is doing right now, you are oblivious. She is putting together one of the bet statistical seasons ever produced. But forget that, go watch what she is doing, without putting numbers on anything, she is doing amazing things on the field, jaw dropping, omg play after play. Obviously all the lacrosse media outlet also agree as she owns nearly all the highlight reel action too. This is not to put Ronbeck down, or any other player, but this kid is playing on another planet right now, I have been following D1 for well over a decade and have seen all of the greats through that time play. This kid is right there with any of them. As a side note, I am not a fan of SBU. Oddly enough I am a gator fan.



Sorry but neither of those two are the best players in the country. KO may be the best offensive player (debatable) but she does nothing on the draw circle and nothing on the defensive side. She has put up those numbers against mostly weak competition. There are several players that make a much bigger impact on the overall game.If the Tewaaraton award went to the kid with the most behind the back goals or high light shots( even when not needed) then yes she would be at the top of the list. Give me a player that score goals, gets assists, gets draw controls,ground balls, involved in the clear, gets turn overs ,and plays lock down defense over the kid that has a knack for the trick shot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island girls Ohlmiller and Apuzzo best in the country right now. Love watching them both, Apuzzo does everything right, KO is a human highlight reel. Both don't get credit, both have put together better seasons than McCool. These lax media outlets hype some players up and they don't even deserve it.
Both are pretty good but far behind Ronbeck at Florida


Not disputing Ronbeck is a very solid player, but if you can't recognize what Ohlmiller is doing right now, you are oblivious. She is putting together one of the bet statistical seasons ever produced. But forget that, go watch what she is doing, without putting numbers on anything, she is doing amazing things on the field, jaw dropping, omg play after play. Obviously all the lacrosse media outlet also agree as she owns nearly all the highlight reel action too. This is not to put Ronbeck down, or any other player, but this kid is playing on another planet right now, I have been following D1 for well over a decade and have seen all of the greats through that time play. This kid is right there with any of them. As a side note, I am not a fan of SBU. Oddly enough I am a gator fan.



Sorry but neither of those two are the best players in the country. KO may be the best offensive player (debatable) but she does nothing on the draw circle and nothing on the defensive side. She has put up those numbers against mostly weak competition. There are several players that make a much bigger impact on the overall game.If the Tewaaraton award went to the kid with the most behind the back goals or high light shots( even when not needed) then yes she would be at the top of the list. Give me a player that score goals, gets assists, gets draw controls,ground balls, involved in the clear, gets turn overs ,and plays lock down defense over the kid that has a knack for the trick shot.


She plays attack Einstein.
So you would like to go back to all the previous Tewaaraton award winners who played attack and strip them of that because they were not mid fielders?
When players are truly great, they attract the jealous haters, she is obviously a truly great player.
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I find that to be an interesting comment form Young considering she recruited the present freshmen, sophomores and juniors...3/4 of the team! She's just a bad coach and a horrible person.


Maybe the parents should run up to the school like they do in HS and MS and complain about the coach to the AD?
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I have heard similar things about Nova staff. As a 2019 parent I have seen very, very good players turned away by the head coach some of which who gone on to commit to top D1 programs. My daughter had been to several clinics and prospect days at Nova and at almost all of them she came out feeling the same way about head coach... not good, couldn't put her finger on it but just a bad vibe. It's too bad bc they are definitely falling behind and losing talented players bc of her. I'm hoping something changes. It's unfortunate bc you would think that a school like Nova should be competitive both academically and athletically. That's the good thing about a verbal, you can always change your mind. Your child's happiness and success is the most important thing.


Does anybody think its any different at Florida, Hofstra, Northwestern and many other programs known to have crazy coaches? The stories coming from these schools are no different, the only difference is FL and NW win...


That was exactly my point on my original post. We have no issue with having selected a great academic school that has a coach who runs a team with a "tough love" hardline approach. Potentially a "crazy coach" But year after year with win/loss records of 3-14, 3-15, 1-8 in your conference ?? Come on!!

What is apparent from the feedback on these posts is that her players and assistants don't like her, she's nasty, and they don't play for her. And THAT is reflected in her record. If your going to be a crazy coach at least WIN.

My questions was "How does the AD ignore that?" Give me a great academic school with a tough "crazy" coach that the girls respect/play for and the wins will come. And ..... the girls will be happy. They are competitors their entire life. The last thing they want to do is end their athletic careers under the direction of misery.

We were blindsided by responses to our post. The character and capabilities of Coach Young are deeply troubling.

Hofstra is a far cry from Nova academically, but they're willing to put up with a crazy/abusive coach... you know why? because nobody on campuscares about any sports other than football and basketball - the revenue producers that pay for all the other sports





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I have heard similar things about Nova staff. As a 2019 parent I have seen very, very good players turned away by the head coach some of which who gone on to commit to top D1 programs. My daughter had been to several clinics and prospect days at Nova and at almost all of them she came out feeling the same way about head coach... not good, couldn't put her finger on it but just a bad vibe. It's too bad bc they are definitely falling behind and losing talented players bc of her. I'm hoping something changes. It's unfortunate bc you would think that a school like Nova should be competitive both academically and athletically. That's the good thing about a verbal, you can always change your mind. Your child's happiness and success is the most important thing.


Does anybody think its any different at Florida, Hofstra, Northwestern and many other programs known to have crazy coaches? The stories coming from these schools are no different, the only difference is FL and NW win...


That was exactly my point on my original post. We have no issue with having selected a great academic school that has a coach who runs a team with a "tough love" hardline approach. Potentially a "crazy coach" But year after year with win/loss records of 3-14, 3-15, 1-8 in your conference ?? Come on!!

What is apparent from the feedback on these posts is that her players and assistants don't like her, she's nasty, and they don't play for her. And THAT is reflected in her record. If your going to be a crazy coach at least WIN.

My questions was "How does the AD ignore that?" Give me a great academic school with a tough "crazy" coach that the girls respect/play for and the wins will come. And ..... the girls will be happy. They are competitors their entire life. The last thing they want to do is end their athletic careers under the direction of misery.

We were blindsided by responses to our post. The character and capabilities of Coach Young are deeply troubling.

Hofstra is a far cry from Nova academically, but they're willing to put up with a crazy/abusive coach... you know why? because nobody on campuscares about any sports other than football and basketball - the revenue producers that pay for all the other sports







I have posted this before. I'm a 'Nova graduate. Great school without question. Engineering, Nursing, Business schools all great. It's a basketball and track school. They have had success football-wise but it was dropped when I was there (giving away my age). Basketball and track. They have put money in baseball and have a wonderful complex off campus as space is tight on campus. Many sports compete for limited time and space.

It is true they might be losing good lacrosse talent but admissions doesn't care. They are getting some pretty good academic talent. It is not a large school. Look where the money (donated) is going--the Finnerty Pavilion. Who uses that? Basketball and track. The coach came from Haverford down the road; another wonderful school with a so-so lacrosse program (and don't dismiss D3 lacrosse--it's competitive). But I don't see a culture change with regards to Women's lacrosse.
Same experience with Nova. Went to prospect day and talked to staff etc. Wasnt impressed at all and scratched it off list immediately. Yes school is good but if your going to play a sport in addition your kid better be happy! My daughter committed to a much better program and academically in line with Nova . Something is wrong there and I have heard it from many.
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Same experience with Nova. Went to prospect day and talked to staff etc. Wasnt impressed at all and scratched it off list immediately. Yes school is good but if your going to play a sport in addition your kid better be happy! My daughter committed to a much better program and academically in line with Nova . Something is wrong there and I have heard it from many.




It's amazing. Not one person has come to the defense of this Villanova coach. She sounds like a real winner.
Ummm..Hofstra stopped Football 10 years ago...and thinking BBall aint producing much revenue at Hofstra either
Duke eliminated from NCAA tournament
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Ummm..Hofstra stopped Football 10 years ago...and thinking BBall aint producing much revenue at Hofstra either


Which illustrates how little they care...
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Duke eliminated from NCAA tournament


Did this surprise anyone?

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Long Island girls Ohlmiller and Apuzzo best in the country right now. Love watching them both, Apuzzo does everything right, KO is a human highlight reel. Both don't get credit, both have put together better seasons than McCool. These lax media outlets hype some players up and they don't even deserve it.
Both are pretty good but far behind Ronbeck at Florida


How is it that this player that is so far ahead of everyone in the county (according to you) is not even on the Tewaaroton watch list? All the others you have dismissed are still on there, as well as three girls from Florida.
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Duke eliminated from NCAA tournament



rediculous. hot seat? absolutely sb gone. legacy coach so probably not.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island girls Ohlmiller and Apuzzo best in the country right now. Love watching them both, Apuzzo does everything right, KO is a human highlight reel. Both don't get credit, both have put together better seasons than McCool. These lax media outlets hype some players up and they don't even deserve it.
Both are pretty good but far behind Ronbeck at Florida


How is it that this player that is so far ahead of everyone in the county (according to you) is not even on the Tewaaroton watch list? All the others you have dismissed are still on there, as well as three girls from Florida.
Maybe you should read the list again because she is on it. or better yet here it isfor you


Women’s Watch List:
Sam Apuzzo , Boston College – Soph., Attack
Kasey Behr, Virginia – Jr., Midfield
Maggie Bill, North Carolina – Jr., Midfield
Taylor Bresnahan, Florida – Sr., Defense
Sammi Burgess, Florida – Sr., Attack
Madison Carter, Penn State – Soph., Attack
Alex Condon, Penn – Jr., Midfield
Maddie Crutchfield, Duke – Jr., Midfield
Ellie DeGarmo, Princeton – Sr., Goalie
Riley Donahue, Syracuse – Jr., Attack
Christina Esposito, Northwestern – Redshirt Sr., Attack
Erica Evans, Canisius College – Jr., Midfield
Caroline Fitzgerald, Florida – Sr., Defense
Cortney Fortunato, Notre Dame – Sr., Attack
Nadine Hadnagy, Maryland – Sr., Defense
Kyra Harney, Duke – Jr., Attack
Molly Hendrick, North Carolina – Sr., Attack
Olivia Hompe, Princeton – Sr., Attack
Gussie Johns, USC – Jr., Goalie
Kenzie Kent, Boston College – Jr., Attack
Emily Kenul, Johns Hopkins – Jr., Attack
Darby Kiernan, Colorado – Jr., Attack
Selena Lasota, Northwestern – Jr., Attack
Steph Lazo, Penn State – Sr., Attack
Nicole Levy, Syracuse – Soph., Attack
Sarah Martin, Albany – Sr., Midfield
Bailey Mathis, Loyola – Sr., Defense
Marie McCool, North Carolina – Jr., Midfield
Michaela Michael, USC – Sr., Attack
Kaitlyn Montalbano, Towson – Jr., Midfield
Courtney Murphy, Stony Brook – Sr., Attack
Hannah Murphy, Massachusetts – Sr., Midfield
Kelsey Murray, Stanford – Redshirt Jr., Attack
Kylie Ohlmiller, Stony Brook – Jr., Attack
Casey Pearsall, Notre Dame – Sr., Midfield
Shayna Pirreca, Florida – Jr., Attack
Carly Reed, North Carolina – Sr., Midfield
Lindsey Ronbeck, Florida – Soph., Attack----------------------------------------------------
Haley Schweizer, Johns Hopkins – Sr., Midfield
Maura Schwitter, Duke – Sr., Defense
Catie Smith, Cornell – Sr., Defense
Abby Smucker, Penn State – Sr., Midfield
Paige Soenksen, Colorado – Sr., Goalie
Zoe Stukenberg, Maryland – Sr., Midfield
Lydia Sutton, USC – Jr., Defense
Sammy Jo Tracy, North Carolina – Sr., Attack
Dorrien Van Dyke, Stony Brook – Sr., Midfield
Haley Warden, James Madison – Jr., Midfield
Caylee Waters, North Carolina – Sr., Goalie
Megan Whittle, Maryland – Jr., Attack
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Long Island girls Ohlmiller and Apuzzo best in the country right now. Love watching them both, Apuzzo does everything right, KO is a human highlight reel. Both don't get credit, both have put together better seasons than McCool. These lax media outlets hype some players up and they don't even deserve it.
Both are pretty good but far behind Ronbeck at Florida


How is it that this player that is so far ahead of everyone in the county (according to you) is not even on the Tewaaroton watch list? All the others you have dismissed are still on there, as well as three girls from Florida.
Maybe you should read the list again because she is on it. or better yet here it isfor you


Women’s Watch List:
Sam Apuzzo , Boston College – Soph., Attack
Kasey Behr, Virginia – Jr., Midfield
Maggie Bill, North Carolina – Jr., Midfield
Taylor Bresnahan, Florida – Sr., Defense
Sammi Burgess, Florida – Sr., Attack
Madison Carter, Penn State – Soph., Attack
Alex Condon, Penn – Jr., Midfield
Maddie Crutchfield, Duke – Jr., Midfield
Ellie DeGarmo, Princeton – Sr., Goalie
Riley Donahue, Syracuse – Jr., Attack
Christina Esposito, Northwestern – Redshirt Sr., Attack
Erica Evans, Canisius College – Jr., Midfield
Caroline Fitzgerald, Florida – Sr., Defense
Cortney Fortunato, Notre Dame – Sr., Attack
Nadine Hadnagy, Maryland – Sr., Defense
Kyra Harney, Duke – Jr., Attack
Molly Hendrick, North Carolina – Sr., Attack
Olivia Hompe, Princeton – Sr., Attack
Gussie Johns, USC – Jr., Goalie
Kenzie Kent, Boston College – Jr., Attack
Emily Kenul, Johns Hopkins – Jr., Attack
Darby Kiernan, Colorado – Jr., Attack
Selena Lasota, Northwestern – Jr., Attack
Steph Lazo, Penn State – Sr., Attack
Nicole Levy, Syracuse – Soph., Attack
Sarah Martin, Albany – Sr., Midfield
Bailey Mathis, Loyola – Sr., Defense
Marie McCool, North Carolina – Jr., Midfield
Michaela Michael, USC – Sr., Attack
Kaitlyn Montalbano, Towson – Jr., Midfield
Courtney Murphy, Stony Brook – Sr., Attack
Hannah Murphy, Massachusetts – Sr., Midfield
Kelsey Murray, Stanford – Redshirt Jr., Attack
Kylie Ohlmiller, Stony Brook – Jr., Attack
Casey Pearsall, Notre Dame – Sr., Midfield
Shayna Pirreca, Florida – Jr., Attack
Carly Reed, North Carolina – Sr., Midfield
Lindsey Ronbeck, Florida – Soph., Attack----------------------------------------------------
Haley Schweizer, Johns Hopkins – Sr., Midfield
Maura Schwitter, Duke – Sr., Defense
Catie Smith, Cornell – Sr., Defense
Abby Smucker, Penn State – Sr., Midfield
Paige Soenksen, Colorado – Sr., Goalie
Zoe Stukenberg, Maryland – Sr., Midfield
Lydia Sutton, USC – Jr., Defense
Sammy Jo Tracy, North Carolina – Sr., Attack
Dorrien Van Dyke, Stony Brook – Sr., Midfield
Haley Warden, James Madison – Jr., Midfield
Caylee Waters, North Carolina – Sr., Goalie
Megan Whittle, Maryland – Jr., Attack


Your looking at an old list
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island girls Ohlmiller and Apuzzo best in the country right now. Love watching them both, Apuzzo does everything right, KO is a human highlight reel. Both don't get credit, both have put together better seasons than McCool. These lax media outlets hype some players up and they don't even deserve it.
Both are pretty good but far behind Ronbeck at Florida


How is it that this player that is so far ahead of everyone in the county (according to you) is not even on the Tewaaroton watch list? All the others you have dismissed are still on there, as well as three girls from Florida.
Maybe you should read the list again because she is on it. or better yet here it isfor you


Women’s Watch List:
Sam Apuzzo , Boston College – Soph., Attack
Kasey Behr, Virginia – Jr., Midfield
Maggie Bill, North Carolina – Jr., Midfield
Taylor Bresnahan, Florida – Sr., Defense
Sammi Burgess, Florida – Sr., Attack
Madison Carter, Penn State – Soph., Attack
Alex Condon, Penn – Jr., Midfield
Maddie Crutchfield, Duke – Jr., Midfield
Ellie DeGarmo, Princeton – Sr., Goalie
Riley Donahue, Syracuse – Jr., Attack
Christina Esposito, Northwestern – Redshirt Sr., Attack
Erica Evans, Canisius College – Jr., Midfield
Caroline Fitzgerald, Florida – Sr., Defense
Cortney Fortunato, Notre Dame – Sr., Attack
Nadine Hadnagy, Maryland – Sr., Defense
Kyra Harney, Duke – Jr., Attack
Molly Hendrick, North Carolina – Sr., Attack
Olivia Hompe, Princeton – Sr., Attack
Gussie Johns, USC – Jr., Goalie
Kenzie Kent, Boston College – Jr., Attack
Emily Kenul, Johns Hopkins – Jr., Attack
Darby Kiernan, Colorado – Jr., Attack
Selena Lasota, Northwestern – Jr., Attack
Steph Lazo, Penn State – Sr., Attack
Nicole Levy, Syracuse – Soph., Attack
Sarah Martin, Albany – Sr., Midfield
Bailey Mathis, Loyola – Sr., Defense
Marie McCool, North Carolina – Jr., Midfield
Michaela Michael, USC – Sr., Attack
Kaitlyn Montalbano, Towson – Jr., Midfield
Courtney Murphy, Stony Brook – Sr., Attack
Hannah Murphy, Massachusetts – Sr., Midfield
Kelsey Murray, Stanford – Redshirt Jr., Attack
Kylie Ohlmiller, Stony Brook – Jr., Attack
Casey Pearsall, Notre Dame – Sr., Midfield
Shayna Pirreca, Florida – Jr., Attack
Carly Reed, North Carolina – Sr., Midfield
Lindsey Ronbeck, Florida – Soph., Attack----------------------------------------------------
Haley Schweizer, Johns Hopkins – Sr., Midfield
Maura Schwitter, Duke – Sr., Defense
Catie Smith, Cornell – Sr., Defense
Abby Smucker, Penn State – Sr., Midfield
Paige Soenksen, Colorado – Sr., Goalie
Zoe Stukenberg, Maryland – Sr., Midfield
Lydia Sutton, USC – Jr., Defense
Sammy Jo Tracy, North Carolina – Sr., Attack
Dorrien Van Dyke, Stony Brook – Sr., Midfield
Haley Warden, James Madison – Jr., Midfield
Caylee Waters, North Carolina – Sr., Goalie
Megan Whittle, Maryland – Jr., Attack


Your looking at an old list

It came off the Tewaaroton web site yesterday, are you saying they don't have the updated list but you do?
Hofstra beat Stony Brook yesterday!

(Not counting the 17-0 lead they spotted them.)
The list is now down to 25 players:

The 25 women's nominees:

Sam Apuzzo, Boston College - Soph., Attack
Sammi Burgess, Florida - Sr., Attack
Madison Carter, Penn State - Soph., Attack
Alex Condon, Penn - Jr., Midfield
Ellie DeGarmo, Princeton - Sr., Goalie
Riley Donahue, Syracuse - Jr., Attack
Erica Evans, Canisius - Jr., Midfield
Caroline Fitzgerald, Florida - Sr., Defense
Cortney Fortunato, Notre Dame - Sr., Attack
Nadine Hadnagy, Maryland - Sr., Defense
Molly Hendrick, North Carolina - Sr., Attack
Olivia Hompe, Princeton - Sr., Attack
Darby Kiernan, Colorado - Jr., Attack
Steph Lazo, Penn State - Sr., Attack
Sarah Martin, Albany - Sr., Midfield
Marie McCool, North Carolina - Jr., Midfield
Michaela Michael, USC - Sr., Attack
Kylie Ohlmiller, Stony Brook - Jr., Attack
Catie Smith, Cornell - Sr., Defense
Paige Soenksen, Colorado - Sr., Goalie
Mollie Stevens, Florida - Sr., Attack
Zoe Stukenberg, Maryland - Sr., Midfield
Megan Taylor, Maryland - Soph., Goalie
Dorrien Van Dyke, Stony Brook - Sr., Midfield
Megan Whittle, Maryland - Jr., Attack
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Long Island girls Ohlmiller and Apuzzo best in the country right now. Love watching them both, Apuzzo does everything right, KO is a human highlight reel. Both don't get credit, both have put together better seasons than McCool. These lax media outlets hype some players up and they don't even deserve it.
Both are pretty good but far behind Ronbeck at Florida


How is it that this player that is so far ahead of everyone in the county (according to you) is not even on the Tewaaroton watch list? All the others you have dismissed are still on there, as well as three girls from Florida.
Maybe you should read the list again because she is on it. or better yet here it isfor you


Women’s Watch List:
Sam Apuzzo , Boston College – Soph., Attack
Kasey Behr, Virginia – Jr., Midfield
Maggie Bill, North Carolina – Jr., Midfield
Taylor Bresnahan, Florida – Sr., Defense
Sammi Burgess, Florida – Sr., Attack
Madison Carter, Penn State – Soph., Attack
Alex Condon, Penn – Jr., Midfield
Maddie Crutchfield, Duke – Jr., Midfield
Ellie DeGarmo, Princeton – Sr., Goalie
Riley Donahue, Syracuse – Jr., Attack
Christina Esposito, Northwestern – Redshirt Sr., Attack
Erica Evans, Canisius College – Jr., Midfield
Caroline Fitzgerald, Florida – Sr., Defense
Cortney Fortunato, Notre Dame – Sr., Attack
Nadine Hadnagy, Maryland – Sr., Defense
Kyra Harney, Duke – Jr., Attack
Molly Hendrick, North Carolina – Sr., Attack
Olivia Hompe, Princeton – Sr., Attack
Gussie Johns, USC – Jr., Goalie
Kenzie Kent, Boston College – Jr., Attack
Emily Kenul, Johns Hopkins – Jr., Attack
Darby Kiernan, Colorado – Jr., Attack
Selena Lasota, Northwestern – Jr., Attack
Steph Lazo, Penn State – Sr., Attack
Nicole Levy, Syracuse – Soph., Attack
Sarah Martin, Albany – Sr., Midfield
Bailey Mathis, Loyola – Sr., Defense
Marie McCool, North Carolina – Jr., Midfield
Michaela Michael, USC – Sr., Attack
Kaitlyn Montalbano, Towson – Jr., Midfield
Courtney Murphy, Stony Brook – Sr., Attack
Hannah Murphy, Massachusetts – Sr., Midfield
Kelsey Murray, Stanford – Redshirt Jr., Attack
Kylie Ohlmiller, Stony Brook – Jr., Attack
Casey Pearsall, Notre Dame – Sr., Midfield
Shayna Pirreca, Florida – Jr., Attack
Carly Reed, North Carolina – Sr., Midfield
Lindsey Ronbeck, Florida – Soph., Attack----------------------------------------------------
Haley Schweizer, Johns Hopkins – Sr., Midfield
Maura Schwitter, Duke – Sr., Defense
Catie Smith, Cornell – Sr., Defense
Abby Smucker, Penn State – Sr., Midfield
Paige Soenksen, Colorado – Sr., Goalie
Zoe Stukenberg, Maryland – Sr., Midfield
Lydia Sutton, USC – Jr., Defense
Sammy Jo Tracy, North Carolina – Sr., Attack
Dorrien Van Dyke, Stony Brook – Sr., Midfield
Haley Warden, James Madison – Jr., Midfield
Caylee Waters, North Carolina – Sr., Goalie
Megan Whittle, Maryland – Jr., Attack


Your looking at an old list

It came off the Tewaaroton web site yesterday, are you saying they don't have the updated list but you do?


I guess so. The list you posted is a watch list. Players to watch that they think may have an impact this year, midway through season they add players who are making an impact. The list of 25 are actual nominees for the tewaaraton award for 2017.
While on the subject of Coach Young of Villanova...Classy coach. She gets rocked all season long so decides to unload (22-5) on a struggling Butler team (1-16).

Classy lady!!!!! Way to end another 4-12 season by piling on another struggling program. Go collect your check and enjoy summer.
The ACC is looking like trash this year, from watching that tournament BC and UNC are the only teams that look dangerous for NCAAs. The Big Ten is the best conference this year.
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The ACC is looking like trash this year, from watching that tournament BC and UNC are the only teams that look dangerous for NCAAs. The Big Ten is the best conference this year.

Seriously, you are obviously a NW fan...MD and Penn State legit ...thats it in that conference
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The ACC is looking like trash this year, from watching that tournament BC and UNC are the only teams that look dangerous for NCAAs. The Big Ten is the best conference this year.


Big Ten has two excellent teams this season. As they did last season. NW and Hopkins won't make any noise this month (If Hopkins even gets in the tournament).

ACC will do fine in the tournament. Trash is a little harsh for rest of ACC. Syracuse and UVA could win a game or two. ACC should get 6-7 teams into tournament.

Ivy should get 3 teams in Princeton and Penn look strongest and could win a couple of games.

MPSF: USC and Colorado. USC will make final 8. Colorado will have to go through USC to advance.

Big East: Florida and Denver.... Only UF is for real.

America East: Stonybrook (and maybe Albany).

I don't think any of the other conferences pose any real threat...

Final 8: Maryland, Penn State, UNC, Syracuse, Florida, Stonybrook, USC and Penn (depending on brackets).

Tournament is Maryland's to lose. Should be a Maryland/UNC final again. UNC will have to play a full 60 minutes to compete (like they did last year). If they spot Maryland a lead like they did with Syracuse yesterday, they will be in for a long day.

Good luck to all the teams this week and on Selection Sunday.
Watch out for BC NOT a fan but they are playing very well
The ACC is the most competitive conference and will be for awhile. This the teams were hit hard by graduation but the teams by seasons end rebounded. While I was one of the people that thought BC was trash in the beginning of the year, I now see that they are playing like a top 10 team. Northwestern would not be able to hang in the ACC this year, honestly they shouldn't even make the tournament due to the loss to Hopkins. But I do agree its a UNC/Maryland title to lose. But go Stony Brook!!!
after watching the UNC Syracuse matchup I think they should rip up the rule book once and for all and make it official. at the very least get rid of the rule on dangerous follow through.

there were at least a half dozen follow through's were a girl got bludgeoned around the head area and I don't think a single card went out as a result- I could have missed one so don't freak out if I did. 4 in white had to be stitched up for a split lip.

got to be a better way. helmets surely on the way right??

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Watch out for BC NOT a fan but they are playing very well


BC crushed ND even though the score didn't reflect how one sided the game really was. ND has some players out and are not in the best shape currently. A win is a win however. BC can't hold a candle to UNC, sorry. BC may win a game or two, depending on their seeding/bracket. They give up a ton of goals.
IWLCA Poll for Division I, May 1
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 17-0 400 20 1
2 Florida 15-2 376 2
3 North Carolina 16-2 364 3
4 Stony Brook 16-1 319 4
5 Penn State 15-2 318 5
6 Princeton 12-3 279 6
7 Southern California 16-3 275 7
7 Penn 13-2 275 8
9 Syracuse 15-6 256 10
10 Colorado 16-3 229 9
11 Cornell 11-4 192 11
12 Virginia 11-8 175 12
13 Boston College 13-6 167 15
14 Northwestern 9-8 133 14
15 Notre Dame 11-7 129 13
16 Denver 13-3 87 16
17 Towson 12-5 81 17
18 Louisville 11-7 53 19
19 James Madison 11-6 48 18
20 Virginia Tech 11-8 14 20

IWLCA Poll for Division II, May 1
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Le Moyne 16-0 398 19 1
2 Lindenwood 19-0 379 1 2
3 Adelphi 15-1 361 3
4 Florida Southern 19-2 342 4
5 LIU Post 13-2 309 5
6 Florida Tech 13-3 292 6
7 Limestone 17-3 279 7
8 Queens 16-3 269 8
9 New Haven 13-3 227 10
10 Rollins 12-5 201 9
11 NYIT 15-2 189 12
12 Regis (CO) 15-2 174 14
13 East Stroudsburg 15-2 167 15
14 Pace 11-5 144 11
15 West Chester 12-4 121 12
16 Mercy 15-2 103 16
17 Stonehill 11-6 95 18
18 Mercyhurst 11-4 75 17
19 Indiana (PA) 10-6 34 19
20 Seton Hill 10-7 19 20

IWLCA Poll for Division III, May 1
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 College of NJ. 13-1 393 17 1
2 Washington & Lee 14-1 373 1 2
3 Gettysburg 15-2 364 2 3
4 Messiah 13-2 334 5
5 Colby 13-3 316 6
6 Middlebury 13-3 308 7
7 William Smith 16-1 263 8
8 Hamilton 12-4 243 9
9 [lacrosse] 14-3 226 4
10 Franklin & Marshall 14-4 221 10
11 Salisbury 13-5 214 13
12 Trinity (CT) 13-3 206 11
13 Ithaca 13-3 174 12
14 Catholic (DC) 11-4 126 14
15 Mary Washington 14-5 106 15
16 Brockport 14-1 94 19
17 Wesleyan (CT) 11-5 83 17
18 Tufts 10-6 60 20
19 Cortland 12-4 39 18
20 Bowdoin 10-6 36 16

Stony Brook get screwed and be put in the same bracket as Princeton, Syracuse and Boston College three teams that are all playing very strong over the last couple of weeks.
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Stony Brook get screwed and be put in the same bracket as Princeton, Syracuse and Boston College three teams that are all playing very strong over the last couple of weeks.

They should be able to beat all of them
Still looks good for one of the only 5 teams to win over nearly three decades to be crowned champs again this year MD, NC, Princeton, VA, NW. Florida lost by a combined 13 to MD and UNC and Stony Brook got slapped by Florida down by 10 at that half. UNC or MD win again which is bad for the sport. Too many teams (especially with new ones coming on board every year and not enough talent even in the top 10 to compete. #15 looks like a D3 team vs MD
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Stony Brook will get screwed and be put in the same bracket as Princeton, Syracuse and Boston College three teams that are all playing very strong over the last couple of weeks.


NCAA tries to limit/minimize travel/costs for most teams. Syracuse may host so SBU could dodge them early. Cornell and Penn could make trek to LI... Who would you like SBU to be in a bracket with? Binghamton,Vermont and UNH aren't making the tournament this year.
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Stony Brook get screwed and be put in the same bracket as Princeton, Syracuse and Boston College three teams that are all playing very strong over the last couple of weeks.


Not crying for SB at all. You want to tout yourself as the big league then don't cry about your seeding.
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Watch out for BC NOT a fan but they are playing very well


coach still has no confidence in either goalie and the scoring is all done by 2-3 players - not seeing it
Serious question from a new lax mom. If a student plays D2 and wants to transfer to play D1- how easy is it? Has anyone had this experience?
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Stony Brook get screwed and be put in the same bracket as Princeton, Syracuse and Boston College three teams that are all playing very strong over the last couple of weeks.


Not crying for SB at all. You want to tout yourself as the big league then don't cry about your seeding.


Agreed. Stonybrook is a good team, but relies to heavily on one player. They can't get past top tier teams like UNC, FLA, and MD
Will be fun to watch coach have a melt down and blame the refs when they lose.
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after watching the UNC Syracuse matchup I think they should rip up the rule book once and for all and make it official. at the very least get rid of the rule on dangerous follow through.

there were at least a half dozen follow through's were a girl got bludgeoned around the head area and I don't think a single card went out as a result- I could have missed one so don't freak out if I did. 4 in white had to be stitched up for a split lip.

got to be a better way. helmets surely on the way right??


#4 on NC got hit with a stick when a girl was cradling, not after a shot. Unfortunate injury, but not a foul.
I guess it is not so bad when you say that Stony Brook can not get by the top 3 teams in the country.
Thats why they are ranked number 4 I guess...
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Watch out for BC NOT a fan but they are playing very well


coach still has no confidence in either goalie and the scoring is all done by 2-3 players - not seeing it


false..... BC offense is one of the best in the country where they have everyone contributing. I hate when people comment things they dont know about.
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Stony Brook get screwed and be put in the same bracket as Princeton, Syracuse and Boston College three teams that are all playing very strong over the last couple of weeks.


Not crying for SB at all. You want to tout yourself as the big league then don't cry about your seeding.


Agreed. Stonybrook is a good team, but relies to heavily on one player. They can't get past top tier teams like UNC, FLA, and MD
Will be fun to watch coach have a melt down and blame the refs when they lose.



When KO graduates, they go back to being medicore
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Serious question from a new lax mom. If a student plays D2 and wants to transfer to play D1- how easy is it? Has anyone had this experience?


I am not 100% sure... But, I think it is pretty easy. It is my understanding that when a "scholarship" athlete transfers from one school to another they are not eligible to play for period of one year. However, If the coach is willing to sign a "release" then the player can participate immediately. If there is no athletic scholarship involved then the player can transfer and be eligible with no penalty. It is also my understanding that if the coach does not sign the release then the coach "can not" use the scholarship for another athlete.

I would check the NCAA website or call them for clarification.

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Serious question from a new lax mom. If a student plays D2 and wants to transfer to play D1- how easy is it? Has anyone had this experience?


I am not 100% sure... But, I think it is pretty easy. It is my understanding that when a "scholarship" athlete transfers from one school to another they are not eligible to play for period of one year. However, If the coach is willing to sign a "release" then the player can participate immediately. If there is no athletic scholarship involved then the player can transfer and be eligible with no penalty. It is also my understanding that if the coach does not sign the release then the coach "can not" use the scholarship for another athlete.

I would check the NCAA website or call them for clarification.


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Still looks good for one of the only 5 teams to win over nearly three decades to be crowned champs again this year MD, NC, Princeton, VA, NW. Florida lost by a combined 13 to MD and UNC and Stony Brook got slapped by Florida down by 10 at that half. UNC or MD win again which is bad for the sport. Too many teams (especially with new ones coming on board every year and not enough talent even in the top 10 to compete. #15 looks like a D3 team vs MD



MD in a rout
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Serious question from a new lax mom. If a student plays D2 and wants to transfer to play D1- how easy is it? Has anyone had this experience?


I am not 100% sure... But, I think it is pretty easy. It is my understanding that when a "scholarship" athlete transfers from one school to another they are not eligible to play for period of one year. However, If the coach is willing to sign a "release" then the player can participate immediately. If there is no athletic scholarship involved then the player can transfer and be eligible with no penalty. It is also my understanding that if the coach does not sign the release then the coach "can not" use the scholarship for another athlete.

I would check the NCAA website or call them for clarification.


Does not apply between Divisions. i.e. D1 can go to D2 without penalty, and D2 to D3. Works the same for moving up Divisions as well. The player will only have to sit out if the are transferring within divisions (D1 to D1). Most coaches will sign a release as long as player is not transferring into the same conference or to a team it plays regularly (regionally).

Good luck.
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Stony Brook get screwed and be put in the same bracket as Princeton, Syracuse and Boston College three teams that are all playing very strong over the last couple of weeks.


Not crying for SB at all. You want to tout yourself as the big league then don't cry about your seeding.


Agreed. Stonybrook is a good team, but relies to heavily on one player. They can't get past top tier teams like UNC, FLA, and MD
Will be fun to watch coach have a melt down and blame the refs when they lose.



When KO graduates, they go back to being medicore


Spallina's strength has always been his defense. For most opponents it's a confusing zone to break down. They will miss their Senior middies next year. 42 and 22 are huge (no pun intended) workhorses for them!

They will be fine on Offense for years to come, even after KO graduates.
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Stony Brook get screwed and be put in the same bracket as Princeton, Syracuse and Boston College three teams that are all playing very strong over the last couple of weeks.


Not crying for SB at all. You want to tout yourself as the big league then don't cry about your seeding.


Agreed. Stonybrook is a good team, but relies to heavily on one player. They can't get past top tier teams like UNC, FLA, and MD
Will be fun to watch coach have a melt down and blame the refs when they lose.



When KO graduates, they go back to being medicore


Spallina's strength has always been his defense. For most opponents it's a confusing zone to break down. They will miss their Senior middies next year. 42 and 22 are huge (no pun intended) workhorses for them!

They will be fine on Offense for years to come, even after KO graduates.



Zone works because Refs only call shooting space and 3 seconds half the time.
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Serious question from a new lax mom. If a student plays D2 and wants to transfer to play D1- how easy is it? Has anyone had this experience?


I am not 100% sure... But, I think it is pretty easy. It is my understanding that when a "scholarship" athlete transfers from one school to another they are not eligible to play for period of one year. However, If the coach is willing to sign a "release" then the player can participate immediately. If there is no athletic scholarship involved then the player can transfer and be eligible with no penalty. It is also my understanding that if the coach does not sign the release then the coach "can not" use the scholarship for another athlete.

I would check the NCAA website or call them for clarification.


Does not apply between Divisions. i.e. D1 can go to D2 without penalty, and D2 to D3. Works the same for moving up Divisions as well. The player will only have to sit out if the are transferring within divisions (D1 to D1). Most coaches will sign a release as long as player is not transferring into the same conference or to a team it plays regularly (regionally).

Good luck.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook get screwed and be put in the same bracket as Princeton, Syracuse and Boston College three teams that are all playing very strong over the last couple of weeks.


Not crying for SB at all. You want to tout yourself as the big league then don't cry about your seeding.


Agreed. Stonybrook is a good team, but relies to heavily on one player. They can't get past top tier teams like UNC, FLA, and MD
Will be fun to watch coach have a melt down and blame the refs when they lose.



When KO graduates, they go back to being medicore


Spallina's strength has always been his defense. For most opponents it's a confusing zone to break down. They will miss their Senior middies next year. 42 and 22 are huge (no pun intended) workhorses for them!

They will be fine on Offense for years to come, even after KO graduates.



Zone works because Refs only call shooting space and 3 seconds half the time.


Wrong. Zone works if you have a goalie who excels at free positions. They're an easy save compared to most other shots and then give a change of possession. JS wants the officials to make the call. Thats why the more successful offenses pull it out on a FP and don't take the bait.
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Stony Brook will get screwed and be put in the same bracket as Princeton, Syracuse and Boston College three teams that are all playing very strong over the last couple of weeks.


NCAA tries to limit/minimize travel/costs for most teams. Syracuse may host so SBU could dodge them early. Cornell and Penn could make trek to LI... Who would you like SBU to be in a bracket with? Binghamton,Vermont and UNH aren't making the tournament this year.


While I understand the reasons for regional games it gives teams like USC a clear advantage. They are a .500 team if they played on the east coast , who will they play out there , there is little competition.
Michigan coach fired So it begins
Interesting observation so I did a sample of schools and found that the scoring percentage on regular shots versus free position shots is statistically even. Some schools were dead even while other just a few 1/100ths different. Stony Brook did have a larger spread at 59/100ths different. I can imagine most coaches would take a free position shot late in tie game--you can always pull out of the shot.
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Michigan coach fired So it begins


Both the men's and women's coaches.
no way, really?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Michigan coach fired So it begins


Both the men's and women's coaches.

Not looking for nonsense answers but where does that leave the kids that committed there early and now cannot communicate with the new coach .Do you think most new coaches will honor those or not.
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no way, really?


Both did not put up good records and the AD is new. They are building a 2,000 seat lacrosse facility and they want to go in a positive direction.
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Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Michigan coach fired So it begins


Both the men's and women's coaches.

Not looking for nonsense answers but where does that leave the kids that committed there early and now cannot communicate with the new coach .Do you think most new coaches will honor those or not.


on the women's side yes... i cant say what the mens coach will do.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Michigan coach fired So it begins


Both the men's and women's coaches.

Not looking for nonsense answers but where does that leave the kids that committed there early and now cannot communicate with the new coach .Do you think most new coaches will honor those or not.


on the women's side yes... i cant say what the mens coach will do.


that's one opinion, the real answer is nobody knows what will happen now that the rules have changed
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Michigan coach fired So it begins


Both the men's and women's coaches.

Not looking for nonsense answers but where does that leave the kids that committed there early and now cannot communicate with the new coach .Do you think most new coaches will honor those or not.


on the women's side yes... i cant say what the mens coach will do.


The verbal follows the coach not the school. New coach does not need to honor any prior commitments. Not saying they won't but they won't. Coach was fired, new coach may look to go in a different direction. It's just a verbal for a reason


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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony Brook will get screwed and be put in the same bracket as Princeton, Syracuse and Boston College three teams that are all playing very strong over the last couple of weeks.


NCAA tries to limit/minimize travel/costs for most teams. Syracuse may host so SBU could dodge them early. Cornell and Penn could make trek to LI... Who would you like SBU to be in a bracket with? Binghamton,Vermont and UNH aren't making the tournament this year.


While I understand the reasons for regional games it gives teams like USC a clear advantage. They are a .500 team if they played on the east coast , who will they play out there , there is little competition.


They'll get Colorado, Denver and possibly a Midwest team (Louisville, Nortwestern or Notre Dame). Last year, JMU had to head out west.

It is what it is. There will be some complaints about UF first opponent too. The playing field levels after the first weekend.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
[quote=Anonymous]Michigan coach fired So it begins


Both the men's and women's coaches.

Not looking for nonsense answers but where does that leave the kids that committed there early and now cannot communicate with the new coach .Do you think most new coaches will honor those or not.


on the women's side yes... i cant say what the mens coach will do.


The verbal follows the coach not the school. New coach does not need to honor any prior commitments. Not saying they won't but they won't. Coach was fired, new coach may look to go in a different direction. It's just a verbal for a reason

New coach cant talk to 19s and 20s...18s are already set...if coach doesn't honor most verbals...will have 15 kids on team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
[quote=Anonymous]Michigan coach fired So it begins


Both the men's and women's coaches.

Not looking for nonsense answers but where does that leave the kids that committed there early and now cannot communicate with the new coach .Do you think most new coaches will honor those or not.


on the women's side yes... i cant say what the mens coach will do.


The verbal follows the coach not the school. New coach does not need to honor any prior commitments. Not saying they won't but they won't. Coach was fired, new coach may look to go in a different direction. It's just a verbal for a reason

New coach cant talk to 19s and 20s...18s are already set...if coach doesn't honor most verbals...will have 15 kids on team.




Sorry not following but aren't they in the same predicament as everyone else? Point is the verbal is with the coach not the school
As it relates to the women’s game and the firing of the Michigan Coach:

I think this coaching carousel will grow and continue now that it gets more competitive for the recruitment of top-talent.

Up until a couple of years ago there have only been a few lacrosse programs that really mattered. Those colleges were the ones that paved the way for the beginnings of this sport and haven’t had to do much to attract the best talent. Many of these coaches could simply show up to the Maryland and New Jersey Tournaments with their summer folding chairs, get some sun while watching the top team of the top programs, make some notes and then text the club directors to assist in validating some of what they saw.

But now there are many other schools (some that reside in great geographical areas and others that are far superior in the academics they offer) in comparison to those few who paved the way that will be vying for the top players. Therefore, it’s important for those colleges --- that truly want the program to advance --- to acquire a coach and supporting staff that isn’t going to be lazy and allow / rely on the club directors to dictate which girls get recruited.

As an aside, oftentimes those athletes marketed by the club directors are done so based on an agenda or favor(s) to the participating families (ex. Parent is a coach, fundraising event has been an extra portion of their efforts). This is certainly a detriment to the college coach who fails to perform their own due diligence.

So if I’m the Athletic Director for a college and my girls program is struggling; I wouldn’t hesitate to make a change in this environment. The sport is becoming national as opposed to regional and extra-hustle on the part of the coach is becoming more important. Spending the summer in the mid-Atlantic and northeast regions and allowing a few club directors to dictate the contents of your roster will certainly lead to challenging times for your program.

Definitely more selection and greater parity but economics often dictate decisions and the large state schools start with a leg up since their tuition etc are generally lower than a private schools.
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Definitely more selection and greater parity but economics often dictate decisions and the large state schools start with a leg up since their tuition etc are generally lower than a private schools.


Not for out-of-state students.

The out-of-state tuition at Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State etc. rival that of a major private schools.

It's silly to go to those state schools on the basis of academics alone - if you're not 'in-state'.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As it relates to the women’s game and the firing of the Michigan Coach:

I think this coaching carousel will grow and continue now that it gets more competitive for the recruitment of top-talent.

Up until a couple of years ago there have only been a few lacrosse programs that really mattered. Those colleges were the ones that paved the way for the beginnings of this sport and haven’t had to do much to attract the best talent. Many of these coaches could simply show up to the Maryland and New Jersey Tournaments with their summer folding chairs, get some sun while watching the top team of the top programs, make some notes and then text the club directors to assist in validating some of what they saw.

But now there are many other schools (some that reside in great geographical areas and others that are far superior in the academics they offer) in comparison to those few who paved the way that will be vying for the top players. Therefore, it’s important for those colleges --- that truly want the program to advance --- to acquire a coach and supporting staff that isn’t going to be lazy and allow / rely on the club directors to dictate which girls get recruited.

As an aside, oftentimes those athletes marketed by the club directors are done so based on an agenda or favor(s) to the participating families (ex. Parent is a coach, fundraising event has been an extra portion of their efforts). This is certainly a detriment to the college coach who fails to perform their own due diligence.

So if I’m the Athletic Director for a college and my girls program is struggling; I wouldn’t hesitate to make a change in this environment. The sport is becoming national as opposed to regional and extra-hustle on the part of the coach is becoming more important. Spending the summer in the mid-Atlantic and northeast regions and allowing a few club directors to dictate the contents of your roster will certainly lead to challenging times for your program.



Exactly why Hofstra will see a new women's coach very soon. No team chemistry and the tyrant has her select minions who rat everything anyone says to her. Talent will be going to Brook, even Adelphi and Rutgers.
These coaches are in a tough spot because there just isn't enough talent to go around. The game is producing very few exceptional players. Most kids are just very good but not game changers. US lacrosse should go to small sided games to get more kids catching the ball at younger ages. All youth teams are built around just a few kids and its killing the game especially now that new college programs come on board every year and more kids are needed.

Once you are outside the top 10 teams the lacrosse falls off a cliff
I believe SB pays more than Michigan for Womens Lax
"But now there are many other schools (some that reside in great geographical areas and others that are far superior in the academics they offer) in comparison to those few who paved the way that will be vying for the top players. "

Please tell me the new programs that are far superior to UVA, NW, Maryland, UNC, that will be vying for the top players .Gets a little old when people come on the site and bash the academics of programs just because they have successful lax histories.
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"But now there are many other schools (some that reside in great geographical areas and others that are far superior in the academics they offer) in comparison to those few who paved the way that will be vying for the top players. "

Please tell me the new programs that are far superior to UVA, NW, Maryland, UNC, that will be vying for the top players .Gets a little old when people come on the site and bash the academics of programs just because they have successful lax histories.


Northwestern (which isn't a state school by the way) enjoyed a huge advantage when they were the westernmost program in the country. With greater competitiion for talent (and poor recruiting) it's obvious they are struggling.

Plus, why go to NW when Stanford is your option on the west coast where you may reside?

Penn State (51% acceptance rate), Maryland (45% acceptance rate), UVA (29% acceptance rate), UNC (26% acceptance rate) will start to compete with a Southern California (16% acceptance rate) as the sport grows nationally.

Or if you're interested in climate and a program in Florida or Carolina was your choice. Well here comes Arizona State to compete - where you can get on the field instead of sitting on the bench.

This is only going to get harder for the blue-blood programs going forward.

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These coaches are in a tough spot because there just isn't enough talent to go around. The game is producing very few exceptional players. Most kids are just very good but not game changers. US lacrosse should go to small sided games to get more kids catching the ball at younger ages. All youth teams are built around just a few kids and its killing the game especially now that new college programs come on board every year and more kids are needed.

Once you are outside the top 10 teams the lacrosse falls off a cliff


The lack of talent is not because kids didn't put enough time in early throwing and catching. It is the opposite, the NCAA teams are full of kids who spent tremendous amount of time developing the skill and ability to make it at the college level. And the true studs and standouts are a different breed, they are the more athletic and fast kids, that is not a nessecity to make it as a player, for now. So many borderline athletes playing the sport because they skilled themselves up.
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These coaches are in a tough spot because there just isn't enough talent to go around. The game is producing very few exceptional players. Most kids are just very good but not game changers. US lacrosse should go to small sided games to get more kids catching the ball at younger ages. All youth teams are built around just a few kids and its killing the game especially now that new college programs come on board every year and more kids are needed.

Once you are outside the top 10 teams the lacrosse falls off a cliff


Top 8 through 25, every game could go either way depending on the day/time/location...
So top 7 teams play A+ lacrosse then the next 15 are interchangeable and then it becomes almost unwatchable and uncompetitive.

The sport is lacking numbers and talent. We have 3 girls on our HS team that NEVER played summer club and are playing in college for teams ranked around #5o because they were great athletes. That says it all!

Anyone that wants to play in college can find a home. These schools need bodies!
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[quote=Anonymous]Michigan coach fired So it begins


Both the men's and women's coaches.

Not looking for nonsense answers but where does that leave the kids that committed there early and now cannot communicate with the new coach .Do you think most new coaches will honor those or not.


on the women's side yes... i cant say what the mens coach will do.


The verbal follows the coach not the school. New coach does not need to honor any prior commitments. Not saying they won't but they won't. Coach was fired, new coach may look to go in a different direction. It's just a verbal for a reason

New coach cant talk to 19s and 20s...18s are already set...if coach doesn't honor most verbals...will have 15 kids on team.



So let's say in the case of Michigan, they are looking to upgrade their coaching. Say new coach from school X accepts, cant they take his/her current commits? Didn't Spallina do just that when he went from Adelphi to SB?
you can take them but the school you are going to has to allow new coach to cut old coaches offers. My daughter went to a school where new coach honored the old coaches commits for 1 year and then purged as sophmores. If that's the case I would rather theycut to start
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you can take them but the school you are going to has to allow new coach to cut old coaches offers. My daughter went to a school where new coach honored the old coaches commits for 1 year and then purged as sophmores. If that's the case I would rather theycut to start


We are talking about the true ER, they wont even be on campus for 3 falls '19's 4 falls '20's. coaches have plenty of time to see if they want them.
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you can take them but the school you are going to has to allow new coach to cut old coaches offers. My daughter went to a school where new coach honored the old coaches commits for 1 year and then purged as sophmores. If that's the case I would rather theycut to start


We are talking about the true ER, they wont even be on campus for 3 falls '19's 4 falls '20's. coaches have plenty of time to see if they want them.


True, but if a lot of the other top verbal commits are happy with their choices, who are the new coaches going to replace them with?
Pace got crushed by Stonehill! Nice job!
does Michigan have any 2020s?? it seems like only the top schools got 2020s this fall
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
"But now there are many other schools (some that reside in great geographical areas and others that are far superior in the academics they offer) in comparison to those few who paved the way that will be vying for the top players. "

Please tell me the new programs that are far superior to UVA, NW, Maryland, UNC, that will be vying for the top players .Gets a little old when people come on the site and bash the academics of programs just because they have successful lax histories.


Northwestern (which isn't a state school by the way) enjoyed a huge advantage when they were the westernmost program in the country. With greater competitiion for talent (and poor recruiting) it's obvious they are struggling.

Plus, why go to NW when Stanford is your option on the west coast where you may reside?

Penn State (51% acceptance rate), Maryland (45% acceptance rate), UVA (29% acceptance rate), UNC (26% acceptance rate) will start to compete with a Southern California (16% acceptance rate) as the sport grows nationally.

Or if you're interested in climate and a program in Florida or Carolina was your choice. Well here comes Arizona State to compete - where you can get on the field instead of sitting on the bench.

This is only going to get harder for the blue-blood programs going forward.



I see your debating technique is to make your answer as incomprehensible and random as possible . Did anyone say or imply that NW is a state school. If you are using acceptance rates as a gauge to claiming one school is far superior in the academics they offer as compared to another you are using a weak indicator. Taking a players area of academic interest out of the equation you would be better looking st USNEWS rankings in which many of those schools are comparable .
Plenty of smart kids just not enough lacrosse talent. Thank god for all of us its not the other way around!
Will any other coaches be let go ? Thoughts on possibilities
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Plenty of smart kids just not enough lacrosse talent. Thank god for all of us its not the other way around!


True.

For so many 'Suzies' - the parents need to thank God for lacrosse.

Otherwise they'd never be able to dream about bragging that their daughter is going to play a Division 1 sport in college.

Actually, when this sport becomes more national and entices more diversity the northeastern elites may have to invent a different sport to remain one step ahead.


and by diversity you mean what exactly, David Duke?
USNEws and World Reports is a subjective ranking whereby each school fills out a questionnaire on their peer institutions..subjective at best. But I agree that acceptance rate is a poor indicator. Go to Princeton review and look at the academic rating for each school. Much more objective. Also, ASU is NOT a strong academic school. Cant believe you would even use it in the same posting as the Stanford, UVA and the others
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and by diversity you mean what exactly, David Duke?


They mean that when athletic, hungry minority kids figure out that pasty white Mary from St A's is getting an athletic scholarship that they will start picking up sticks and playing the game too. Its just like what is happening in soccer. So, you better hurry up, they are on the way to steal that scholarship you were counting on.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of smart kids just not enough lacrosse talent. Thank god for all of us its not the other way around!


True.

For so many 'Suzies' - the parents need to thank God for lacrosse.

Otherwise they'd never be able to dream about bragging that their daughter is going to play a Division 1 sport in college.

Actually, when this sport becomes more national and entices more diversity the northeastern elites may have to invent a different sport to remain one step ahead.


Nobody passes the ball so the talent pool is always going to be weak even when they expand into new geographies. Lacrosse will always be the easiest path to D1 play of all the women's sports. The product outside the top 10 is average at best
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and by diversity you mean what exactly, David Duke?


They mean that when athletic, hungry minority kids figure out that pasty white Mary from St A's is getting an athletic scholarship that they will start picking up sticks and playing the game too. Its just like what is happening in soccer. So, you better hurry up, they are on the way to steal that scholarship you were counting on.


"They" are on the way.... Seriously??? You are disgusting! I truly hope you did not reproduce and further hope that you do not have the ability to spread your bigoted opinions to anyone young or old. Thank goodness, for your sake, BOTC allows you to post anonymously so you don't have to worry about publicly embarrassing your family and your friends!
Is that such a bad thing? For many, including my daughter, she would never have had the opportunity to play a sport she loves, at an excellent school if we limited the game to only the top 10 schools. There are no illusions she is a top 10 team player but both she and we are enjoying the ride.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
and by diversity you mean what exactly, David Duke?


They mean that when athletic, hungry minority kids figure out that pasty white Mary from St A's is getting an athletic scholarship that they will start picking up sticks and playing the game too. Its just like what is happening in soccer. So, you better hurry up, they are on the way to steal that scholarship you were counting on.


Kinda like all of the diversity in hockey. Minorities will never play in large numbers. Sorry....your statement is uninformed. You are a Jack a$$
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USNEws and World Reports is a subjective ranking whereby each school fills out a questionnaire on their peer institutions..subjective at best. But I agree that acceptance rate is a poor indicator. Go to Princeton review and look at the academic rating for each school. Much more objective. Also, ASU is NOT a strong academic school. Cant believe you would even use it in the same posting as the Stanford, UVA and the others


I think ASU was used in terms of those seeking climate.

Quite honestly, I can see all of the PAC-10 schools picking up this sport and making it next to impossible for the east coast schools (other than Ivy) to entice kids from the west.
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and by diversity you mean what exactly, David Duke?


They mean that when athletic, hungry minority kids figure out that pasty white Mary from St A's is getting an athletic scholarship that they will start picking up sticks and playing the game too. Its just like what is happening in soccer. So, you better hurry up, they are on the way to steal that scholarship you were counting on.


"They" are on the way.... Seriously??? You are disgusting! I truly hope you did not reproduce and further hope that you do not have the ability to spread your bigoted opinions to anyone young or old. Thank goodness, for your sake, BOTC allows you to post anonymously so you don't have to worry about publicly embarrassing your family and your friends!


Seriously, yes, there are athletic and often minority kids in cities everywhere picking up sticks (due to great Grow the Game programs) who are now starting to have an impact on the landscape of the game. Hmmmm, take Miles Jones or Trevor Baptiste for just the tip of the iceberg of very athletic kids on the mens side who are creating diversity and taking up spots that plain Joe/Jane from suburbia (who are well trained from the $$$$ you have been shelling out for privates) would have taken in the past. It is not bigotry at all, its a fact.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
and by diversity you mean what exactly, David Duke?


They mean that when athletic, hungry minority kids figure out that pasty white Mary from St A's is getting an athletic scholarship that they will start picking up sticks and playing the game too. Its just like what is happening in soccer. So, you better hurry up, they are on the way to steal that scholarship you were counting on.


Kinda like all of the diversity in hockey. Minorities will never play in large numbers. Sorry....your statement is uninformed. You are a Jack a$$


Hockey has a barrier (ice time/availability) that keeps a lid on minority and urban participation. It's not the same in Lacrosse. Small, slow suburban boys and girls from the NE and Canada are safe, for now.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
USNEws and World Reports is a subjective ranking whereby each school fills out a questionnaire on their peer institutions..subjective at best. But I agree that acceptance rate is a poor indicator. Go to Princeton review and look at the academic rating for each school. Much more objective. Also, ASU is NOT a strong academic school. Cant believe you would even use it in the same posting as the Stanford, UVA and the others


Even the Princeton Review is subjective but a more comprehensive look at a school. Acceptance rate is considered right here on the first page, even on the Princeton Review.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
and by diversity you mean what exactly, David Duke?


They mean that when athletic, hungry minority kids figure out that pasty white Mary from St A's is getting an athletic scholarship that they will start picking up sticks and playing the game too. Its just like what is happening in soccer. So, you better hurry up, they are on the way to steal that scholarship you were counting on.


Kinda like all of the diversity in hockey. Minorities will never play in large numbers. Sorry....your statement is uninformed. You are a Jack a$$


Hockey has a barrier (ice time/availability) that keeps a lid on minority and urban participation. It's not the same in Lacrosse. Small, slow suburban boys and girls from the NE and Canada are safe, for now.


that sounded so dumb, The hockey players from these places are not small or slow, they are the best from around the world.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
and by diversity you mean what exactly, David Duke?


They mean that when athletic, hungry minority kids figure out that pasty white Mary from St A's is getting an athletic scholarship that they will start picking up sticks and playing the game too. Its just like what is happening in soccer. So, you better hurry up, they are on the way to steal that scholarship you were counting on.


Kinda like all of the diversity in hockey. Minorities will never play in large numbers. Sorry....your statement is uninformed. You are a Jack a$$


Hockey has a barrier (ice time/availability) that keeps a lid on minority and urban participation. It's not the same in Lacrosse. Small, slow suburban boys and girls from the NE and Canada are safe, for now.


that sounded so dumb, The hockey players from these places are not small or slow, they are the best from around the world.


The best from around the world in places that have cold weather and ice rinks. Very segregated.
I just witnessed one of the worst cases of classlessness and a-holedness I've ever seen at a wlax game. Tonight at the Howard CC vs Anne Arundel CC game, which was a great game by the way, the HCC parents were completely classless, mostly due to their generally drunken state. They were yelling at the refs for EVERY call that went against them and shouting out derogatory comments to the AACC players among other generally bad behavior. It started before the game, when as I pulled into the lot about an hour before game time I noticed them tail-gating at the far end of the lot. At this point, no harm no foul...we've all tail-gated. But, during the game it became quite apparent that quite a few of them had way too much to drink. It was a tight, hotly contested game between two close rivals and that tension didn't help. In the 2nd half one of the AACC players received her 2nd YC and had to leave. The HCC parents were classless at this point yelling the usual comments that classless parents yell. Well, one of the AACC parents them went down and sat among the HCC bunch. All appeared okay as the game wore on. I was safely stationed about 100 feet away, not wanting to listen to the HCC drunken crap. After the game was over, a 14-11 HCC win, a small crowd gathered in front of the stands, obvious words being exchanged. Then, one of the HCC parents shoved the AACC one of the AACC moms, then claimed the have dialed 911, all the while yelling crap. As I was standing on the walkway at the bottom of the stands watching the spectacle, the evidently most intoxicated HCC mom started walking away (good idea) toward the parking lot. As she quietly passed me she REEKED of alcohol. Bad! The crowd then slowly dissipated and joined our respective girls on the field for the Region 20 awards. An observation: Almost all of the HCC parents had matching YETI insulated cups with their names on them. How cute. According to a very reliable source, this is just the latest in a long line of HCC bad behavior, but I think this time it may come back to haunt them. As I was leaving in my car a police car was pulling into the lot, and the only people left on the field were HCC parents reeking of alcohol. Jeez people...
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Pace got crushed by Stonehill! Nice job!


Who?

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pace got crushed by Stonehill! Nice job!


Who?



Don't be an a$$. Just because it's not D1 doesn't mean it's not important.
Mercy bests NYIT in a physical and exciting game! Great job ladies! The next big game will be played at LIU Post this Saturday at noon, a great battle of many Long Island players on both teams, and a great game to bring the little layers to!
Ok, I'll bite...who should we be watching on Stonehill?...which one is your daughter that had a great game against Pace?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pace got crushed by Stonehill! Nice job!


Who?



Don't be an a$$. Just because it's not D1 doesn't mean it's not important.


"crushed" isn't very nice but there are a bunch of good D2 teams that would beat lots of D1 teams in the bottom 50. Those D1 parents are in denial. If you watch a D1 game of teams ranked around #100 its worse than high school! The sport is lacking talented depth
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Pace got crushed by Stonehill! Nice job!


Who?



Don't be an a$$. Just because it's not D1 doesn't mean it's not important.


"crushed" isn't very nice but there are a bunch of good D2 teams that would beat lots of D1 teams in the bottom 50. Those D1 parents are in denial. If you watch a D1 game of teams ranked around #100 its worse than high school! The sport is lacking talented depth



Agreed on the D1 parent denial. There is a lot more to college lax than D1 (I'm talking to you yj parent). There is no professional league so I say let the girls, and their families, go to the college of THEIR choice (not where you, yj parent, think they should go). Over many years I've seen lots of wlax games and I can agree that quite a few D2, and some D3, teams could beat quite a few D1 teams. D1 is not all it's cracked to be. As a disclaimer, my daughter was a D1 player, but we respect all college wlax players. Don't buy the hype of your club director...go where YOU want to go. You're paying the club a lot of money so they can help you go where you want to go...screw them and where they think you should go. It's your money and your choice.
[/quote]Agreed on the D1 parent denial. There is a lot more to college lax than D1 (I'm talking to you yj parent). There is no professional league so I say let the girls, and their families, go to the college of THEIR choice (not where you, yj parent, think they should go). Over many years I've seen lots of wlax games and I can agree that quite a few D2, and some D3, teams could beat quite a few D1 teams. D1 is not all it's cracked to be. As a disclaimer, my daughter was a D1 player, but we respect all college wlax players. Don't buy the hype of your club director...go where YOU want to go. You're paying the club a lot of money so they can help you go where you want to go...screw them and where they think you should go. It's your money and your choice.[/quote]

A lot of D3 schools are way better academic institutions than the D1 schools that the parents errh players of the top teams are jumping at anyway.

Ohio State, Penn State, Jacksonville can't hold a candle to Williams, Amherst, Tufts etc.
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[/quote]Agreed on the D1 parent denial. There is a lot more to college lax than D1 (I'm talking to you yj parent). There is no professional league so I say let the girls, and their families, go to the college of THEIR choice (not where you, yj parent, think they should go). Over many years I've seen lots of wlax games and I can agree that quite a few D2, and some D3, teams could beat quite a few D1 teams. D1 is not all it's cracked to be. As a disclaimer, my daughter was a D1 player, but we respect all college wlax players. Don't buy the hype of your club director...go where YOU want to go. You're paying the club a lot of money so they can help you go where you want to go...screw them and where they think you should go. It's your money and your choice.


A lot of D3 schools are way better academic institutions than the D1 schools that the parents errh players of the top teams are jumping at anyway.

Ohio State, Penn State, Jacksonville can't hold a candle to Williams, Amherst, Tufts etc.
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If you want to play intramural lax, those D3 schools are perfect.
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If you want to play intramural lax, those D3 schools are perfect.


OH no, couldn't do that on my way to my professional women's' lacrosse career. Wait, what's that? There's no professional women's' lacrosse? You mean my college choice ultimately is about my future career and not lacrosse?

Stop hating on anything not D1. And don't shade me. All three of my kids went D1 so you can't tell me I'm a jealous hater.

You do realize Division assignments have to do with the number of athletic programs at a school and not just the quality of the players, right?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agreed on the D1 parent denial. There is a lot more to college lax than D1 (I'm talking to you yj parent). There is no professional league so I say let the girls, and their families, go to the college of THEIR choice (not where you, yj parent, think they should go). Over many years I've seen lots of wlax games and I can agree that quite a few D2, and some D3, teams could beat quite a few D1 teams. D1 is not all it's cracked to be. As a disclaimer, my daughter was a D1 player, but we respect all college wlax players. Don't buy the hype of your club director...go where YOU want to go. You're paying the club a lot of money so they can help you go where you want to go...screw them and where they think you should go. It's your money and your choice.


A lot of D3 schools are way better academic institutions than the D1 schools that the parents errh players of the top teams are jumping at anyway.

Ohio State, Penn State, Jacksonville can't hold a candle to Williams, Amherst, Tufts etc.
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If you want to play intramural lax, those D3 schools are perfect.
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And ohio state, Penn State and Jacksonville will NEVER win a championship so what's the point? Take the education every time. Its a game and a game that no one cares about except us parents
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Agreed on the D1 parent denial. There is a lot more to college lax than D1 (I'm talking to you yj parent). There is no professional league so I say let the girls, and their families, go to the college of THEIR choice (not where you, yj parent, think they should go). Over many years I've seen lots of wlax games and I can agree that quite a few D2, and some D3, teams could beat quite a few D1 teams. D1 is not all it's cracked to be. As a disclaimer, my daughter was a D1 player, but we respect all college wlax players. Don't buy the hype of your club director...go where YOU want to go. You're paying the club a lot of money so they can help you go where you want to go...screw them and where they think you should go. It's your money and your choice.


A lot of D3 schools are way better academic institutions than the D1 schools that the parents errh players of the top teams are jumping at anyway.

Ohio State, Penn State, Jacksonville can't hold a candle to Williams, Amherst, Tufts etc.
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If you want to play intramural lax, those D3 schools are perfect.
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Spoken like a true yj (lower-case intentionally) a-hole! You have no idea what you're talking about. You are a lemming and believe everything that cr has told you to believe, as long as you keep writing checks. Have fun kissing cr's [lacrosse]. I hear he likes it!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agreed on the D1 parent denial. There is a lot more to college lax than D1 (I'm talking to you yj parent). There is no professional league so I say let the girls, and their families, go to the college of THEIR choice (not where you, yj parent, think they should go). Over many years I've seen lots of wlax games and I can agree that quite a few D2, and some D3, teams could beat quite a few D1 teams. D1 is not all it's cracked to be. As a disclaimer, my daughter was a D1 player, but we respect all college wlax players. Don't buy the hype of your club director...go where YOU want to go. You're paying the club a lot of money so they can help you go where you want to go...screw them and where they think you should go. It's your money and your choice.


A lot of D3 schools are way better academic institutions than the D1 schools that the parents errh players of the top teams are jumping at anyway.

Ohio State, Penn State, Jacksonville can't hold a candle to Williams, Amherst, Tufts etc.


If you want to play intramural lax, those D3 schools are perfect.
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Spoken like a true yj (lower-case intentionally) a-hole! You have no idea what you're talking about. You are a lemming and believe everything that cr has told you to believe, as long as you keep writing checks. Have fun kissing cr's [lacrosse]. I hear he likes it![/quote]

bitter much?
So many girls on Pace team, and according to coach instagram they are not graduating any. But laxpower has them adding 13 next year?
Who's Hofstra playing this weekend?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agreed on the D1 parent denial. There is a lot more to college lax than D1 (I'm talking to you yj parent). There is no professional league so I say let the girls, and their families, go to the college of THEIR choice (not where you, yj parent, think they should go). Over many years I've seen lots of wlax games and I can agree that quite a few D2, and some D3, teams could beat quite a few D1 teams. D1 is not all it's cracked to be. As a disclaimer, my daughter was a D1 player, but we respect all college wlax players. Don't buy the hype of your club director...go where YOU want to go. You're paying the club a lot of money so they can help you go where you want to go...screw them and where they think you should go. It's your money and your choice.


A lot of D3 schools are way better academic institutions than the D1 schools that the parents errh players of the top teams are jumping at anyway.

Ohio State, Penn State, Jacksonville can't hold a candle to Williams, Amherst, Tufts etc.
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If you want to play intramural lax, those D3 schools are perfect.
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OSU and PSU are you kidding me?
Most kids going to Ohio, Penn St. and Jacksonville couldn't get into Amherst! No comparison academically.
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Most kids going to Ohio, Penn St. and Jacksonville couldn't get into Amherst! No comparison academically.


And most kids who go to Amherst could not survive socially at those schools. Say what you want but when the y say the school is very diverse they are actually saying it is filled with foreign students and a lot of alternative lifestyle choices and about as liberal a school as you can find. Not saying there is anything wrong with that but can make for a very lonely college experience if that is not your thing.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most kids going to Ohio, Penn St. and Jacksonville couldn't get into Amherst! No comparison academically.


Most kids going to Amherst couldnt play at osu,psu and ju...so, whatever the kids want to do...good for them, its their life.


Amherst is another liberal dump ! If you want sharpen your skill as an anarchist there's your school!
Good Grades cure everything Make sure you balance the wall with the books,
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most kids going to Ohio, Penn St. and Jacksonville couldn't get into Amherst! No comparison academically.


Most kids going to Amherst couldnt play at osu,psu and ju...so, whatever the kids want to do...good for them, its their life.




Such a stupid statement.
A parent with a student/athlete that could get into Amherst (or any NESCAC school, outside of Trinity) would be stupid not to.

The best school is the one that fits. Lacrosse is a niche sport. There is nothing, career wise, after college. Amherst, Williams, Hamilton, Middlebury, etc have the highest ROI (return of investment) per the Princeton Review, Forbes and others. They are not for everyone--academically your child has to be in the top of their class. They are expensive but the endowments at these schools dwarf the Penn State and Ohio State and Jacksonville (really, Jacksonville). You will get money.

D3 lacrosse is not intramural. Hamilton beat eventuall D2 Champ Florida Southern last year and did not make the D3 playoffs. Let's put that notion to rest. D1 outside of top tier programs is ordinary.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most kids going to Ohio, Penn St. and Jacksonville couldn't get into Amherst! No comparison academically.


And most kids who go to Amherst could not survive socially at those schools. Say what you want but when the y say the school is very diverse they are actually saying it is filled with foreign students and a lot of alternative lifestyle choices and about as liberal a school as you can find. Not saying there is anything wrong with that but can make for a very lonely college experience if that is not your thing.


An Amherst student would not "survive socially" at Ohio State, Penn State or Jacksonville? What does that mean? They couldn't drink alcohol as well? Amherst is full of foreign students? I'm sure there is far more at state schools than Amherst. So let your student be "social" and then work for the Amherst graduate. This is the single most stupid comment I've ever read on this thread.
Originally Posted by baldbear
A parent with a student/athlete that could get into Amherst (or any NESCAC school, outside of Trinity) would be stupid not to.

The best school is the one that fits. Lacrosse is a niche sport. There is nothing, career wise, after college. Amherst, Williams, Hamilton, Middlebury, etc have the highest ROI (return of investment) per the Princeton Review, Forbes and others. They are not for everyone--academically your child has to be in the top of their class. They are expensive but the endowments at these schools dwarf the Penn State and Ohio State and Jacksonville (really, Jacksonville). You will get money.

D3 lacrosse is not intramural. Hamilton beat eventuall D2 Champ Florida Southern last year and did not make the D3 playoffs. Let's put that notion to rest. D1 outside of top tier programs is ordinary.


Why would a parent of a student athlete who could get into Amherst (or any NESCAC school, outside of Trinity) be stupid not to send their child to one of those schools?

If a student is a good athlete as well as a strong student they will have many other options. Princeton, Harvard, Yale, the other Ivy's, Stanford, Duke, Hopkins, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal Berkeley, USC, Virginia, Michigan, North Carolina, Boston College, Army, Navy, Air force etc...

Maybe because their liberal sinkholes that are more interested in creating anarchists? Nose rings issued on the way in....
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most kids going to Ohio, Penn St. and Jacksonville couldn't get into Amherst! No comparison academically.


And most kids who go to Amherst could not survive socially at those schools. Say what you want but when the y say the school is very diverse they are actually saying it is filled with foreign students and a lot of alternative lifestyle choices and about as liberal a school as you can find. Not saying there is anything wrong with that but can make for a very lonely college experience if that is not your thing.



An Amherst student would not "survive socially" at Ohio State, Penn State or Jacksonville? What does that mean? They couldn't drink alcohol as well? Amherst is full of foreign students? I'm sure there is far more at state schools than Amherst. So let your student be "social" and then work for the Amherst graduate. This is the single most stupid comment I've ever read on this thread.


Actually was trying to be nice , Amherst is filled with social misfits , many almost bordering on being classified on the spectrum of autism , very smart kids but socially awkward . I am an alumni of the school and yes the school is still very well regarded academically but would not want my kid at that school. You snobbish people are hilarious acting as if the University of Michigan , Penn States of the world are terrible schools . If your kid wants to go to med school , law school etc and wants a large school experience they should picks school that meets those standards . If your kid is in to poetry readings and raging against the man Amherst is the place to be .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most kids going to Ohio, Penn St. and Jacksonville couldn't get into Amherst! No comparison academically.


And most kids who go to Amherst could not survive socially at those schools. Say what you want but when the y say the school is very diverse they are actually saying it is filled with foreign students and a lot of alternative lifestyle choices and about as liberal a school as you can find. Not saying there is anything wrong with that but can make for a very lonely college experience if that is not your thing.



An Amherst student would not "survive socially" at Ohio State, Penn State or Jacksonville? What does that mean? They couldn't drink alcohol as well? Amherst is full of foreign students? I'm sure there is far more at state schools than Amherst. So let your student be "social" and then work for the Amherst graduate. This is the single most stupid comment I've ever read on this thread.


Actually was trying to be nice , Amherst is filled with social misfits , many almost bordering on being classified on the spectrum of autism , very smart kids but socially awkward . I am an alumni of the school and yes the school is still very well regarded academically but would not want my kid at that school. You snobbish people are hilarious acting as if the University of Michigan , Penn States of the world are terrible schools . If your kid wants to go to med school , law school etc and wants a large school experience they should picks school that meets those standards . If your kid is in to poetry readings and raging against the man Amherst is the place to be .


And you're trying to convince anyone that these large state schools are beacons for Conservative thinking?

Oh my - now that's entertaining.
Loyola has officially become irrelevant in the women's lax world - crushed by Navy today in conference championship. Anybody have any idea what has become of a once great program?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most kids going to Ohio, Penn St. and Jacksonville couldn't get into Amherst! No comparison academically.


And most kids who go to Amherst could not survive socially at those schools. Say what you want but when the y say the school is very diverse they are actually saying it is filled with foreign students and a lot of alternative lifestyle choices and about as liberal a school as you can find. Not saying there is anything wrong with that but can make for a very lonely college experience if that is not your thing.



An Amherst student would not "survive socially" at Ohio State, Penn State or Jacksonville? What does that mean? They couldn't drink alcohol as well? Amherst is full of foreign students? I'm sure there is far more at state schools than Amherst. So let your student be "social" and then work for the Amherst graduate. This is the single most stupid comment I've ever read on this thread.


Actually was trying to be nice , Amherst is filled with social misfits , many almost bordering on being classified on the spectrum of autism , very smart kids but socially awkward . I am an alumni of the school and yes the school is still very well regarded academically but would not want my kid at that school. You snobbish people are hilarious acting as if the University of Michigan , Penn States of the world are terrible schools . If your kid wants to go to med school , law school etc and wants a large school experience they should picks school that meets those standards . If your kid is in to poetry readings and raging against the man Amherst is the place to be .


Unhinged. I feel sorry for you. Speaking from a lacrosse prospective check out the bios of the lacrosse program. Fantastic girls.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Loyola has officially become irrelevant in the women's lax world - crushed by Navy today in conference championship. Anybody have any idea what has become of a once great program?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most kids going to Ohio, Penn St. and Jacksonville couldn't get into Amherst! No comparison academically.


And most kids who go to Amherst could not survive socially at those schools. Say what you want but when the y say the school is very diverse they are actually saying it is filled with foreign students and a lot of alternative lifestyle choices and about as liberal a school as you can find. Not saying there is anything wrong with that but can make for a very lonely college experience if that is not your thing.



An Amherst student would not "survive socially" at Ohio State, Penn State or Jacksonville? What does that mean? They couldn't drink alcohol as well? Amherst is full of foreign students? I'm sure there is far more at state schools than Amherst. So let your student be "social" and then work for the Amherst graduate. This is the single most stupid comment I've ever read on this thread.


Actually was trying to be nice , Amherst is filled with social misfits , many almost bordering on being classified on the spectrum of autism , very smart kids but socially awkward . I am an alumni of the school and yes the school is still very well regarded academically but would not want my kid at that school. You snobbish people are hilarious acting as if the University of Michigan , Penn States of the world are terrible schools . If your kid wants to go to med school , law school etc and wants a large school experience they should picks school that meets those standards . If your kid is in to poetry readings and raging against the man Amherst is the place to be .


And you're trying to convince anyone that these large state schools are beacons for Conservative thinking?

Oh my - now that's entertaining.


Amherst has one of the highest ROI out there. Must be good money in poetry and rage.




I really have to laugh as the IWCLA is such geniuses. They make a rule themselves and still screw it. They made a one day rule to recruit during the National tourney at Yale. But it had one stipulation. The site can't be 100 miles from where the Championship site is...well guess what by car New Haven to Patriots stadium is 124 miles. Well let's look for the loop hole-how does a crow fly straight...it is 102 miles.

This is equivalent to screwing up a wet dream
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I really have to laugh as the IWCLA is such geniuses. They make a rule themselves and still screw it. They made a one day rule to recruit during the National tourney at Yale. But it had one stipulation. The site can't be 100 miles from where the Championship site is...well guess what by car New Haven to Patriots stadium is 124 miles. Well let's look for the loop hole-how does a crow fly straight...it is 102 miles.

This is equivalent to screwing up a wet dream


Your all over the road here. Can you document any of this? What is your source for this info???
Simple look up Recruiting Women's Lacrosse calendar and look at dates and details... pretty funny.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most kids going to Ohio, Penn St. and Jacksonville couldn't get into Amherst! No comparison academically.


And most kids who go to Amherst could not survive socially at those schools. Say what you want but when the y say the school is very diverse they are actually saying it is filled with foreign students and a lot of alternative lifestyle choices and about as liberal a school as you can find. Not saying there is anything wrong with that but can make for a very lonely college experience if that is not your thing.



An Amherst student would not "survive socially" at Ohio State, Penn State or Jacksonville? What does that mean? They couldn't drink alcohol as well? Amherst is full of foreign students? I'm sure there is far more at state schools than Amherst. So let your student be "social" and then work for the Amherst graduate. This is the single most stupid comment I've ever read on this thread.


Actually was trying to be nice , Amherst is filled with social misfits , many almost bordering on being classified on the spectrum of autism , very smart kids but socially awkward . I am an alumni of the school and yes the school is still very well regarded academically but would not want my kid at that school. You snobbish people are hilarious acting as if the University of Michigan , Penn States of the world are terrible schools . If your kid wants to go to med school , law school etc and wants a large school experience they should picks school that meets those standards . If your kid is in to poetry readings and raging against the man Amherst is the place to be .


Unhinged. I feel sorry for you. Speaking from a lacrosse prospective check out the bios of the lacrosse program. Fantastic girls.

If your being honest from a lacrosse perspective it's barely a step above club lacrosse . Nothing wrong with that if that is what you are looking for . Bald bear you are obviously a fan of Amherst but you sound like a snobbish fool when you state generalized things about any student that can get into an Amherst type school but elects not to .Its not for everyone for many reasons . Both my sister ,a lacrosse player , and myself are Alumni , and can tell you neither of us will send our kids there .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most kids going to Ohio, Penn St. and Jacksonville couldn't get into Amherst! No comparison academically.


And most kids who go to Amherst could not survive socially at those schools. Say what you want but when the y say the school is very diverse they are actually saying it is filled with foreign students and a lot of alternative lifestyle choices and about as liberal a school as you can find. Not saying there is anything wrong with that but can make for a very lonely college experience if that is not your thing.



An Amherst student would not "survive socially" at Ohio State, Penn State or Jacksonville? What does that mean? They couldn't drink alcohol as well? Amherst is full of foreign students? I'm sure there is far more at state schools than Amherst. So let your student be "social" and then work for the Amherst graduate. This is the single most stupid comment I've ever read on this thread.


Actually was trying to be nice , Amherst is filled with social misfits , many almost bordering on being classified on the spectrum of autism , very smart kids but socially awkward . I am an alumni of the school and yes the school is still very well regarded academically but would not want my kid at that school. You snobbish people are hilarious acting as if the University of Michigan , Penn States of the world are terrible schools . If your kid wants to go to med school , law school etc and wants a large school experience they should picks school that meets those standards . If your kid is in to poetry readings and raging against the man Amherst is the place to be .


Unhinged. I feel sorry for you. Speaking from a lacrosse prospective check out the bios of the lacrosse program. Fantastic girls.

If your being honest from a lacrosse perspective it's barely a step above club lacrosse . Nothing wrong with that if that is what you are looking for . Bald bear you are obviously a fan of Amherst but you sound like a snobbish fool when you state generalized things about any student that can get into an Amherst type school but elects not to .Its not for everyone for many reasons . Both my sister ,a lacrosse player , and myself are Alumni , and can tell you neither of us will send our kids there .


Yes I agree much better to send your kid the D1 route at Central CT, St Francis, Sienna or LIU Brooklyn!
No love for Stony Brook - 8th seed and a date with Maryland in the quarters.
Stony Brook received a # 8 seed so they will not get a bye on Friday but will play Bryant and if they advance will most likely play Northwestern on Sunday. Oh yeah if they are fortunate enough to win both of their games they were placed with the number one seed Maryland. If all of the higher ranked teams in the bracket win they get a date with the Terps.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most kids going to Ohio, Penn St. and Jacksonville couldn't get into Amherst! No comparison academically.


And most kids who go to Amherst could not survive socially at those schools. Say what you want but when the y say the school is very diverse they are actually saying it is filled with foreign students and a lot of alternative lifestyle choices and about as liberal a school as you can find. Not saying there is anything wrong with that but can make for a very lonely college experience if that is not your thing.



An Amherst student would not "survive socially" at Ohio State, Penn State or Jacksonville? What does that mean? They couldn't drink alcohol as well? Amherst is full of foreign students? I'm sure there is far more at state schools than Amherst. So let your student be "social" and then work for the Amherst graduate. This is the single most stupid comment I've ever read on this thread.


Actually was trying to be nice , Amherst is filled with social misfits , many almost bordering on being classified on the spectrum of autism , very smart kids but socially awkward . I am an alumni of the school and yes the school is still very well regarded academically but would not want my kid at that school. You snobbish people are hilarious acting as if the University of Michigan , Penn States of the world are terrible schools . If your kid wants to go to med school , law school etc and wants a large school experience they should picks school that meets those standards . If your kid is in to poetry readings and raging against the man Amherst is the place to be .


Unhinged. I feel sorry for you. Speaking from a lacrosse prospective check out the bios of the lacrosse program. Fantastic girls.

If your being honest from a lacrosse perspective it's barely a step above club lacrosse . Nothing wrong with that if that is what you are looking for . Bald bear you are obviously a fan of Amherst but you sound like a snobbish fool when you state generalized things about any student that can get into an Amherst type school but elects not to .Its not for everyone for many reasons . Both my sister ,a lacrosse player , and myself are Alumni , and can tell you neither of us will send our kids there .


Generalized things? You have reduced an entire college to poetry readings and "raging against the man" and alternative lifestyles! I could care less about Amherst but your generalization that "most kids who go to Amherst could not survive socially at these schools" is ridiculous. I'm sorry you and your sister did not have a good experience there because obviously something occurred for you to make your "generalized" statements. You characterized the school as misfits, autistic and socially unfit. I never said any bad things about any school--Michigan, Penn St or otherwise. That was your implication. I simply said you have to pick the school that is the best fit and if your child could get into Amherst or any number of good schools go for it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No love for Stony Brook - 8th seed and a date with Maryland in the quarters.


Where else could they go? Conference schedule does not help them. They should dismantle Bryant and then play a competitive team in the next round. So you play Maryland in the quarters. You want to be champs just beat the teams you have to play. Simple.

North Carolina, in my mind, has an easier bracket than Maryland. Not that Maryland cares.
BC fan here, happy with our seed but do agree that SB got screwed. Was thinking we'd be playing SB actually as the 4th or 5th seed.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No love for Stony Brook - 8th seed and a date with Maryland in the quarters.



they are a very good team but they play a BS schedule except for a few games. Play better competition and the respect will come. Everyone howls about NW every year but they play everybody!
Who were the teams that were in the top 20 that didn't get a berth? Who should be the most upset?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
and by diversity you mean what exactly, David Duke?


They mean that when athletic, hungry minority kids figure out that pasty white Mary from St A's is getting an athletic scholarship that they will start picking up sticks and playing the game too. Its just like what is happening in soccer. So, you better hurry up, they are on the way to steal that scholarship you were counting on.


"They" are on the way.... Seriously??? You are disgusting! I truly hope you did not reproduce and further hope that you do not have the ability to spread your bigoted opinions to anyone young or old. Thank goodness, for your sake, BOTC allows you to post anonymously so you don't have to worry about publicly embarrassing your family and your friends!


Seriously, yes, there are athletic and often minority kids in cities everywhere picking up sticks (due to great Grow the Game programs) who are now starting to have an impact on the landscape of the game. Hmmmm, take Miles Jones or Trevor Baptiste for just the tip of the iceberg of very athletic kids on the mens side who are creating diversity and taking up spots that plain Joe/Jane from suburbia (who are well trained from the $$$$ you have been shelling out for privates) would have taken in the past. It is not bigotry at all, its a fact.


Baptiste went to a $40k/year high school and grew up in a pretty nice part of New Jersey. Miles Jones grew up in Huntington (granted, not the best part, but about as close as you can get to being "plain Joe/Jane from suburbia"). He also was lucky enough to do a PG year at a $40k/year prep school.

I guess you just assumed they were both "minority kids in cities" because they were black? Give me a break.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most kids going to Ohio, Penn St. and Jacksonville couldn't get into Amherst! No comparison academically.


And most kids who go to Amherst could not survive socially at those schools. Say what you want but when the y say the school is very diverse they are actually saying it is filled with foreign students and a lot of alternative lifestyle choices and about as liberal a school as you can find. Not saying there is anything wrong with that but can make for a very lonely college experience if that is not your thing.



An Amherst student would not "survive socially" at Ohio State, Penn State or Jacksonville? What does that mean? They couldn't drink alcohol as well? Amherst is full of foreign students? I'm sure there is far more at state schools than Amherst. So let your student be "social" and then work for the Amherst graduate. This is the single most stupid comment I've ever read on this thread.


Actually was trying to be nice , Amherst is filled with social misfits , many almost bordering on being classified on the spectrum of autism , very smart kids but socially awkward . I am an alumni of the school and yes the school is still very well regarded academically but would not want my kid at that school. You snobbish people are hilarious acting as if the University of Michigan , Penn States of the world are terrible schools . If your kid wants to go to med school , law school etc and wants a large school experience they should picks school that meets those standards . If your kid is in to poetry readings and raging against the man Amherst is the place to be .


I don't know many Amherst grads who'd refer to themselves as "an alumni of the school."

UMass Amherst, maybe. LOL
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who were the teams that were in the top 20 that didn't get a berth? Who should be the most upset?


Other than automatic qualifiers, I believe Virginia Tech was only top 20 team from the 5/1 IWLCA poll that did not get a bid. Looks like Albany jumped them as a team not ranked in that poll. Ultimately a tough decision but Virginia Tech could not find another quality Win outside of beating BC and lost their last 6 games. They needed to get a win in OT over Elon, Louisville or Syracuse and that would have done it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most kids going to Ohio, Penn St. and Jacksonville couldn't get into Amherst! No comparison academically.


And most kids who go to Amherst could not survive socially at those schools. Say what you want but when the y say the school is very diverse they are actually saying it is filled with foreign students and a lot of alternative lifestyle choices and about as liberal a school as you can find. Not saying there is anything wrong with that but can make for a very lonely college experience if that is not your thing.



An Amherst student would not "survive socially" at Ohio State, Penn State or Jacksonville? What does that mean? They couldn't drink alcohol as well? Amherst is full of foreign students? I'm sure there is far more at state schools than Amherst. So let your student be "social" and then work for the Amherst graduate. This is the single most stupid comment I've ever read on this thread.


Actually was trying to be nice , Amherst is filled with social misfits , many almost bordering on being classified on the spectrum of autism , very smart kids but socially awkward . I am an alumni of the school and yes the school is still very well regarded academically but would not want my kid at that school. You snobbish people are hilarious acting as if the University of Michigan , Penn States of the world are terrible schools . If your kid wants to go to med school , law school etc and wants a large school experience they should picks school that meets those standards . If your kid is in to poetry readings and raging against the man Amherst is the place to be .


I don't know many Amherst grads who'd refer to themselves as "an alumni of the school."

UMass Amherst, maybe. LOL


Let me guess how your conversation went prior to your post, "Hey Kitty prior to removing that stick from my butt I have to say I am disgusted at the writings of this Amherst man" .It just proves the point of what a pompous loser you are. Its also interesting that you did not pick up on more grammatical missteps, no Amherst man would be able to resist correcting someone else. Maybe you did not have the time on your way out the door to a poetry reading.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No love for Stony Brook - 8th seed and a date with Maryland in the quarters.


Where else could they go? Conference schedule does not help them. They should dismantle Bryant and then play a competitive team in the next round. So you play Maryland in the quarters. You want to be champs just beat the teams you have to play. Simple.

North Carolina, in my mind, has an easier bracket than Maryland. Not that Maryland cares.


I agree with the schedule issues, but they've been ranked #4 in both polls for the past month or so - didn't expect them to be dropped 4 spots.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who were the teams that were in the top 20 that didn't get a berth? Who should be the most upset?


Other than automatic qualifiers, I believe Virginia Tech was only top 20 team from the 5/1 IWLCA poll that did not get a bid. Looks like Albany jumped them as a team not ranked in that poll. Ultimately a tough decision but Virginia Tech could not find another quality Win outside of beating BC and lost their last 6 games. They needed to get a win in OT over Elon, Louisville or Syracuse and that would have done it.


No love for Denver or did I miss them?
The word coming from the NCAA was that SB was a 7 seed and because of not being able to play in state of NC they had to be placed in different side of bracket How in the world did Louisville get in with an extremely high RPI
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No love for Stony Brook - 8th seed and a date with Maryland in the quarters.


No one likes JS except JS. Any opportunity to push him back in his place will be taken by the powers that be. You have to know SB got put there so they'd never make it out of the quarters.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No love for Stony Brook - 8th seed and a date with Maryland in the quarters.


Where else could they go? Conference schedule does not help them. They should dismantle Bryant and then play a competitive team in the next round. So you play Maryland in the quarters. You want to be champs just beat the teams you have to play. Simple.

North Carolina, in my mind, has an easier bracket than Maryland. Not that Maryland cares.


I agree with the schedule issues, but they've been ranked #4 in both polls for the past month or so - didn't expect them to be dropped 4 spots.



Dont go by the polls. Not a factor.
SBU will eating turtle soup on the 20th.
"Generalized things? You have reduced an entire college to poetry readings and "raging against the man" and alternative lifestyles! I could care less about Amherst but your generalization that "most kids who go to Amherst could not survive socially at these schools" is ridiculous. I'm sorry you and your sister did not have a good experience there because obviously something occurred for you to make your "generalized" statements. You characterized the school as misfits, autistic and socially unfit. I never said any bad things about any school--Michigan, Penn St or otherwise. That was your implication. I simply said you have to pick the school that is the best fit and if your child could get into Amherst or any number of good schools go for it."

"A parent with a student/athlete that could get into Amherst (or any NESCAC school, outside of Trinity) would be stupid not to."

Sounds pretty generalized and definitely sounds like a knock of parents who have kids that go to Michigan, Penn State and every other school out there especially Trinity. It also comes across as pompous.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No love for Stony Brook - 8th seed and a date with Maryland in the quarters.


Where else could they go? Conference schedule does not help them. They should dismantle Bryant and then play a competitive team in the next round. So you play Maryland in the quarters. You want to be champs just beat the teams you have to play. Simple.

North Carolina, in my mind, has an easier bracket than Maryland. Not that Maryland cares.


Agree, NC has a much easier path to finals than MD. Still believe Md will fake it all. SB got completely screwed. Penn State got a gift, maybe the biggest of all.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who were the teams that were in the top 20 that didn't get a berth? Who should be the most upset?


Other than automatic qualifiers, I believe Virginia Tech was only top 20 team from the 5/1 IWLCA poll that did not get a bid. Looks like Albany jumped them as a team not ranked in that poll. Ultimately a tough decision but Virginia Tech could not find another quality Win outside of beating BC and lost their last 6 games. They needed to get a win in OT over Elon, Louisville or Syracuse and that would have done it.


No love for Denver or did I miss them?




Denver had a low RPI, no quality wins and a bad loss to Georgetown down the regular season stretch. Only decent win was vs Louisville who was ranked below Denver when game was played.
A full investigation should be requested , seeds 4 thru 8 are not justifiable . Also Louisville #31 rpi gets in is a joke.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No love for Stony Brook - 8th seed and a date with Maryland in the quarters.


No one likes JS except JS. Any opportunity to push him back in his place will be taken by the powers that be. You have to know SB got put there so they'd never make it out of the quarters.


It will be interesting to see what happens next year if they are in a similar position with the Final 4 back in Stony Brook.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The word coming from the NCAA was that SB was a 7 seed and because of not being able to play in state of NC they had to be placed in different side of bracket How in the world did Louisville get in with an extremely high RPI


Louisville had low RPI but they had two quality wins, one (vs #7 Syracuse) came on last regular season game and had no significant losses.

Of teams with better RPI:

Hopkins had better RPI but didn't have a significant win.
Loyola had no significant wins and lost to Navy.
Duke was disqualified because of their record.
Denver had a relatively low RPI and lost to unranked Georgetown in the regular season and no significant wins.
Temple had no significant wins and one bad loss.
Delaware had one significant win and two bad losses.
Lehigh had no significant wins and one bad loss.

Top 20, VA Tech lost their last 6 and had a lower RPI.


Great to play a challenging schedule but you have to win at least one of them along the way. (Albany, Elon, Towson, NW). Towson was fortunate to have wins vs ND and Hopkins. Their losses to Hofstra and Elon the last few weeks could have hurt them without those.

Another year where strength of schedule is being rewarded and lack there of is being punished by seeding, bracket or being left out all together (see Stony Brook, Denver & Northwestern)
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
and by diversity you mean what exactly, David Duke?


They mean that when athletic, hungry minority kids figure out that pasty white Mary from St A's is getting an athletic scholarship that they will start picking up sticks and playing the game too. Its just like what is happening in soccer. So, you better hurry up, they are on the way to steal that scholarship you were counting on.


"They" are on the way.... Seriously??? You are disgusting! I truly hope you did not reproduce and further hope that you do not have the ability to spread your bigoted opinions to anyone young or old. Thank goodness, for your sake, BOTC allows you to post anonymously so you don't have to worry about publicly embarrassing your family and your friends!


Seriously, yes, there are athletic and often minority kids in cities everywhere picking up sticks (due to great Grow the Game programs) who are now starting to have an impact on the landscape of the game. Hmmmm, take Miles Jones or Trevor Baptiste for just the tip of the iceberg of very athletic kids on the mens side who are creating diversity and taking up spots that plain Joe/Jane from suburbia (who are well trained from the $$$$ you have been shelling out for privates) would have taken in the past. It is not bigotry at all, its a fact.


Baptiste went to a $40k/year high school and grew up in a pretty nice part of New Jersey. Miles Jones grew up in Huntington (granted, not the best part, but about as close as you can get to being "plain Joe/Jane from suburbia"). He also was lucky enough to do a PG year at a $40k/year prep school.

I guess you just assumed they were both "minority kids in cities" because they were black? Give me a break.


Ahem, can you say scholarship? Both didn't pay as they prepared for college, and there are a lot more minority kids that will be coming to the front in the men's and women's games. The broader the demographic, the better for the game. Maybe not better for Muffy and Chad and their offspring, but its better for Lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The word coming from the NCAA was that SB was a 7 seed and because of not being able to play in state of NC they had to be placed in different side of bracket How in the world did Louisville get in with an extremely high RPI


Where are you seeing this word, and why are they unable to play in NC ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The word coming from the NCAA was that SB was a 7 seed and because of not being able to play in state of NC they had to be placed in different side of bracket How in the world did Louisville get in with an extremely high RPI


Interesting as that was the only other seed I saw as possible for Stony Brook. Can't play in NC?
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The word coming from the NCAA was that SB was a 7 seed and because of not being able to play in state of NC they had to be placed in different side of bracket How in the world did Louisville get in with an extremely high RPI


Interesting as that was the only other seed I saw as possible for Stony Brook. Can't play in NC?


Bathroom Bill was rescinded, wasn't it?
Where are the quarterfinals being played this year?
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The word coming from the NCAA was that SB was a 7 seed and because of not being able to play in state of NC they had to be placed in different side of bracket How in the world did Louisville get in with an extremely high RPI


Interesting as that was the only other seed I saw as possible for Stony Brook. Can't play in NC?


For the same reason the Final 4 was taken out of NC Albany and SB unable to play in North carolina
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another year where strength of schedule is being rewarded and lack there of is being punished by seeding, bracket or being left out all together (see Stony Brook, Denver & Northwestern)


Denver women are not on the same league as the Denver men who don't shy away from anyone
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are the quarterfinals being played this year?


Home fields of top 4 seeds - MD, UNC, FL and PSU.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The word coming from the NCAA was that SB was a 7 seed and because of not being able to play in state of NC they had to be placed in different side of bracket How in the world did Louisville get in with an extremely high RPI


Interesting as that was the only other seed I saw as possible for Stony Brook. Can't play in NC?


For the same reason the Final 4 was taken out of NC Albany and SB unable to play in North carolina


So only NY schools? The NCAA has accepted the new law and allows play back in the state.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The word coming from the NCAA was that SB was a 7 seed and because of not being able to play in state of NC they had to be placed in different side of bracket How in the world did Louisville get in with an extremely high RPI


Interesting as that was the only other seed I saw as possible for Stony Brook. Can't play in NC?


For the same reason the Final 4 was taken out of NC Albany and SB unable to play in North carolina


So only NY schools? The NCAA has accepted the new law and allows play back in the state.



Why are Albany & SB not allowed to play in NC?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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and by diversity you mean what exactly, David Duke?


They mean that when athletic, hungry minority kids figure out that pasty white Mary from St A's is getting an athletic scholarship that they will start picking up sticks and playing the game too. Its just like what is happening in soccer. So, you better hurry up, they are on the way to steal that scholarship you were counting on.


"They" are on the way.... Seriously??? You are disgusting! I truly hope you did not reproduce and further hope that you do not have the ability to spread your bigoted opinions to anyone young or old. Thank goodness, for your sake, BOTC allows you to post anonymously so you don't have to worry about publicly embarrassing your family and your friends!


Seriously, yes, there are athletic and often minority kids in cities everywhere picking up sticks (due to great Grow the Game programs) who are now starting to have an impact on the landscape of the game. Hmmmm, take Miles Jones or Trevor Baptiste for just the tip of the iceberg of very athletic kids on the mens side who are creating diversity and taking up spots that plain Joe/Jane from suburbia (who are well trained from the $$$$ you have been shelling out for privates) would have taken in the past. It is not bigotry at all, its a fact.


Baptiste went to a $40k/year high school and grew up in a pretty nice part of New Jersey. Miles Jones grew up in Huntington (granted, not the best part, but about as close as you can get to being "plain Joe/Jane from suburbia"). He also was lucky enough to do a PG year at a $40k/year prep school.

I guess you just assumed they were both "minority kids in cities" because they were black? Give me a break.


Ahem, can you say scholarship? Both didn't pay as they prepared for college, and there are a lot more minority kids that will be coming to the front in the men's and women's games. The broader the demographic, the better for the game. Maybe not better for Muffy and Chad and their offspring, but its better for Lacrosse.


So what if they didn't pay? They're both great players and deserved their scholarships. Neither player was the beneficiary of any inner-city outreach program as you suggest, though -- they grew up in suburban lacrosse hotbeds.

Your weird, fetishized desire to change the game's demographics likely won't ever actually happen. These "grow the game" charities exist less to serve their target audiences and more to give post-college kids in Manhattan something to do (and to bolster their resumes when it comes time to apply to business school).

And all that talk about "Muffy and Chad"... Is there a reason why you seem to hate white kids so much? Is it just "rich" white kids?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The word coming from the NCAA was that SB was a 7 seed and because of not being able to play in state of NC they had to be placed in different side of bracket How in the world did Louisville get in with an extremely high RPI


Interesting as that was the only other seed I saw as possible for Stony Brook. Can't play in NC?


For the same reason the Final 4 was taken out of NC Albany and SB unable to play in North carolina


So only NY schools? The NCAA has accepted the new law and allows play back in the state.



Why are Albany & SB not allowed to play in NC?
Because we live in a stupid liberal State where we would force our daughters to share a public bathroom with a bearded 300 pound man in a dress who says he "identifies as a woman"....... instead of making the above mentioned bearded main a dress use the mens room. Unless your name is Cuomo then you get a bodyguard while in your privet restroom
I am socially liberal but when only 0.3 to 0.6% of people are transgender in the USA it does seem that we have finally gone too far. I like what the politicians said in Texas to the NFL, you make us adhere to this over reaching rule in order to host a super bowl and WE the STATE will mandate that any of your NFL players that don't stand for the National Anthem can't play in our stadiums or state.

My question is would the NY teams forfeit if their bracket took them to NC?
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I am socially liberal but when only 0.3 to 0.6% of people are transgender in the USA it does seem that we have finally gone too far. I like what the politicians said in Texas to the NFL, you make us adhere to this over reaching rule in order to host a super bowl and WE the STATE will mandate that any of your NFL players that don't stand for the National Anthem can't play in our stadiums or state.

My question is would the NY teams forfeit if their bracket took them to NC?



great points all. have some backbone like Carolina did. kids have rights too- even though they dont vote, which is why polititcians naturally side with transgenders.

who cares about the NY teams anyway. a bygone state in lacrosse too.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am socially liberal but when only 0.3 to 0.6% of people are transgender in the USA it does seem that we have finally gone too far. I like what the politicians said in Texas to the NFL, you make us adhere to this over reaching rule in order to host a super bowl and WE the STATE will mandate that any of your NFL players that don't stand for the National Anthem can't play in our stadiums or state.

My question is would the NY teams forfeit if their bracket took them to NC?



great points all. have some backbone like Carolina did. kids have rights too- even though they dont vote, which is why polititcians naturally side with transgenders.

who cares about the NY teams anyway. a bygone state in lacrosse too.

Is that why like half of the girls on the watch list are from NY, because we're irrelevant?


"They" are on the way.... Seriously??? You are disgusting! I truly hope you did not reproduce and further hope that you do not have the ability to spread your bigoted opinions to anyone young or old. Thank goodness, for your sake, BOTC allows you to post anonymously so you don't have to worry about publicly embarrassing your family and your friends! [/quote]

Seriously, yes, there are athletic and often minority kids in cities everywhere picking up sticks (due to great Grow the Game programs) who are now starting to have an impact on the landscape of the game. Hmmmm, take Miles Jones or Trevor Baptiste for just the tip of the iceberg of very athletic kids on the mens side who are creating diversity and taking up spots that plain Joe/Jane from suburbia (who are well trained from the $$$$ you have been shelling out for privates) would have taken in the past. It is not bigotry at all, its a fact.
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Baptiste went to a $40k/year high school and grew up in a pretty nice part of New Jersey. Miles Jones grew up in Huntington (granted, not the best part, but about as close as you can get to being "plain Joe/Jane from suburbia"). He also was lucky enough to do a PG year at a $40k/year prep school.

I guess you just assumed they were both "minority kids in cities" because they were black? Give me a break.
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Ahem, can you say scholarship? Both didn't pay as they prepared for college, and there are a lot more minority kids that will be coming to the front in the men's and women's games. The broader the demographic, the better for the game. Maybe not better for Muffy and Chad and their offspring, but its better for Lacrosse.
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So what if they didn't pay? They're both great players and deserved their scholarships. Neither player was the beneficiary of any inner-city outreach program as you suggest, though -- they grew up in suburban lacrosse hotbeds.

Your weird, fetishized desire to change the game's demographics likely won't ever actually happen. These "grow the game" charities exist less to serve their target audiences and more to give post-college kids in Manhattan something to do (and to bolster their resumes when it comes time to apply to business school).

And all that talk about "Muffy and Chad"... Is there a reason why you seem to hate white kids so much? Is it just "rich" white kids? [/quote]


Don't hate anyone, I'm just a realist and the geography and demographic are changing. Get used to it.
April 15th Cuse v NC in chapel hill , how was that permitted?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
April 15th Cuse v NC in chapel hill , how was that permitted?


Private University (SU).
Originally Posted by Anonymous
April 15th Cuse v NC in chapel hill , how was that permitted?



Syracuse is a private school. SB and Albany are SUNY's.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
April 15th Cuse v NC in chapel hill , how was that permitted?


Syracuse is a private institution and isn't bound by Governor 's edicts.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
April 15th Cuse v NC in chapel hill , how was that permitted?



Cuomo's ban on non-essential state travel to NC contained a specific exception for Syracuse since they are in the ACC
Originally Posted by Anonymous
April 15th Cuse v NC in chapel hill , how was that permitted?



Private college, they can do what they want. Albany and Stony brook are state schools controlled by state government. Topic is a complete joke
Originally Posted by Anonymous
April 15th Cuse v NC in chapel hill , how was that permitted?


SB and Albany state schools?
Tewaaraton Award Presented By Under Armour Announces Five Men's & Women's 2017 Finalists

The Tewaaraton Foundation has announced the men’s and women’s finalists for the 2017 Tewaaraton Award, presented by Under Armour. Five men and five women were selected as finalists and will be invited to Washington, D.C., for the 17th annual Tewaaraton Award.

Ceremony on June 1.

The five men’s finalists are:

Trevor Baptiste, Denver - Jr., Faceoff
Connor Fields, Albany - Jr., Attack
Matt Rambo, Maryland - Sr., Attack
Ben Reeves, Yale - Jr., Attack
Patrick Spencer, Loyola - Soph., Attack

The five women’s finalists are:

Nadine Hadnagy, Maryland - Sr., Defense
Olivia Hompe, Princeton - Sr., Attack
Marie McCool, North Carolina - Jr., Midfield
Kylie Ohlmiller, Stony Brook - Jr., Attack
Zoe Stukenberg, Maryland - Sr., Midfield

Ben Reeves (Yale) is the only returning finalist from 2016, while Kylie Ohlmiller becomes Stony Brook’s first Tewaaraton finalist and Trevor Baptiste (Denver) is the first faceoff specialist to be a finalist for the award. All 10 finalists will compete in this month’s NCAA Tournament, at the conclusion of which the selection committees will vote on and select the 2017 winners.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tewaaraton Award Presented By Under Armour Announces Five Men's & Women's 2017 Finalists

The Tewaaraton Foundation has announced the men’s and women’s finalists for the 2017 Tewaaraton Award, presented by Under Armour. Five men and five women were selected as finalists and will be invited to Washington, D.C., for the 17th annual Tewaaraton Award.

Ceremony on June 1.

The five men’s finalists are:

Trevor Baptiste, Denver - Jr., Faceoff
Connor Fields, Albany - Jr., Attack
Matt Rambo, Maryland - Sr., Attack
Ben Reeves, Yale - Jr., Attack
Patrick Spencer, Loyola - Soph., Attack

The five women’s finalists are:

Nadine Hadnagy, Maryland - Sr., Defense
Olivia Hompe, Princeton - Sr., Attack
Marie McCool, North Carolina - Jr., Midfield
Kylie Ohlmiller, Stony Brook - Jr., Attack
Zoe Stukenberg, Maryland - Sr., Midfield

Ben Reeves (Yale) is the only returning finalist from 2016, while Kylie Ohlmiller becomes Stony Brook’s first Tewaaraton finalist and Trevor Baptiste (Denver) is the first faceoff specialist to be a finalist for the award. All 10 finalists will compete in this month’s NCAA Tournament, at the conclusion of which the selection committees will vote on and select the 2017 winners.



Marie McCool gets it, Fields on Men's side
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tewaaraton Award Presented By Under Armour Announces Five Men's & Women's 2017 Finalists

The Tewaaraton Foundation has announced the men’s and women’s finalists for the 2017 Tewaaraton Award, presented by Under Armour. Five men and five women were selected as finalists and will be invited to Washington, D.C., for the 17th annual Tewaaraton Award.

Ceremony on June 1.

The five men’s finalists are:

Trevor Baptiste, Denver - Jr., Faceoff
Connor Fields, Albany - Jr., Attack
Matt Rambo, Maryland - Sr., Attack
Ben Reeves, Yale - Jr., Attack
Patrick Spencer, Loyola - Soph., Attack

The five women’s finalists are:

Nadine Hadnagy, Maryland - Sr., Defense
Olivia Hompe, Princeton - Sr., Attack
Marie McCool, North Carolina - Jr., Midfield
Kylie Ohlmiller, Stony Brook - Jr., Attack
Zoe Stukenberg, Maryland - Sr., Midfield

Ben Reeves (Yale) is the only returning finalist from 2016, while Kylie Ohlmiller becomes Stony Brook’s first Tewaaraton finalist and Trevor Baptiste (Denver) is the first faceoff specialist to be a finalist for the award. All 10 finalists will compete in this month’s NCAA Tournament, at the conclusion of which the selection committees will vote on and select the 2017 winners.

How is Mollie Stevens from Florida not a finalist?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tewaaraton Award Presented By Under Armour Announces Five Men's & Women's 2017 Finalists

The Tewaaraton Foundation has announced the men’s and women’s finalists for the 2017 Tewaaraton Award, presented by Under Armour. Five men and five women were selected as finalists and will be invited to Washington, D.C., for the 17th annual Tewaaraton Award.

Ceremony on June 1.

The five men’s finalists are:

Trevor Baptiste, Denver - Jr., Faceoff
Connor Fields, Albany - Jr., Attack
Matt Rambo, Maryland - Sr., Attack
Ben Reeves, Yale - Jr., Attack
Patrick Spencer, Loyola - Soph., Attack

The five women’s finalists are:

Nadine Hadnagy, Maryland - Sr., Defense
Olivia Hompe, Princeton - Sr., Attack
Marie McCool, North Carolina - Jr., Midfield
Kylie Ohlmiller, Stony Brook - Jr., Attack
Zoe Stukenberg, Maryland - Sr., Midfield

Ben Reeves (Yale) is the only returning finalist from 2016, while Kylie Ohlmiller becomes Stony Brook’s first Tewaaraton finalist and Trevor Baptiste (Denver) is the first faceoff specialist to be a finalist for the award. All 10 finalists will compete in this month’s NCAA Tournament, at the conclusion of which the selection committees will vote on and select the 2017 winners.

How is Mollie Stevens from Florida not a finalist?


because no one cares about Florida. except the on or two poster on this sight. or is it just one? you?
Notre Dame out! Really? Why can't they win?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Notre Dame out! Really? Why can't they win?


Go Big Red!!! Cornell far better team. ACC 2-2, not so good. James Madison waxed Louisville.
D went for a visit to ND, not a very welcoming team. Would have thought LI girl would have been kind to a fellow LI girl- could not have been opposite. Scratched off list, thankfully other options.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Notre Dame out! Really? Why can't they win?


Coach doesn't know what she's doing and never has
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Notre Dame out! Really? Why can't they win?


Coach doesn't know what she's doing and never has


Horrendous coach. Squandering excellent talent. Recruiting quality about to slip sharply based on the half dozen or so players I know on the way.
SB v MD up next.
If you want to be the champ you have to beat the champ, right?
JS gets his national title game early this year.
Your an idiot for a comment like that ... and their are others that care about Florida ...I'm one of them...
Nobody likes JS and if possible, MD is going to put a thumping on them.

If you took a likeablity poll of top 20 coaches he would be last by a mile but that's how he rolls...

Its a shame because it hurts his kids with officials and with playoff seeding
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB v MD up next.
If you want to be the champ you have to beat the champ, right?
JS gets his national title game early this year.


I would worry about Northwestern first, would not take anything for granted at this time of year.
Very true!!
Every post.YUnHVv
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Notre Dame out! Really? Why can't they win?


Coach doesn't know what she's doing and never has


Horrendous coach. Squandering excellent talent. Recruiting quality about to slip sharply based on the half dozen or so players I know on the way.


How do you know about up to six ND recruits coming in? Are you a coach?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody likes JS and if possible, MD is going to put a thumping on them.

If you took a likeablity poll of top 20 coaches he would be last by a mile but that's how he rolls...

Its a shame because it hurts his kids with officials and with playoff seeding


And on the flip side he is also the most loved coach by a mile, loved by those who matter the most, his players.
I root for another team but what Joe Spalina has managed to do at Stony Brook is fantastic. Amazing how people hate successful people. Such insecurity. Kudos to Spaliina and Stony Brook for raising the level of play!! Btw Go Gator's
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I root for another team but what Joe Spalina has managed to do at Stony Brook is fantastic. Amazing how people hate successful people. Such insecurity. Kudos to Spaliina and Stony Brook for raising the level of play!! Btw Go Gator's


a few more non conference big games are needed
Spallina is playing chess where as most of the opposing coaches are playing checkers. It is amazing what he has accomplished thus far.
Can't be that hated if he's able to retain such great LI talent ! And then mold into a winning product ! Unlike some of these other coaches like ND who can get any one she wants because of the schools reputation and can't do jack with it!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB v MD up next.
If you want to be the champ you have to beat the champ, right?
JS gets his national title game early this year.


I would worry about Northwestern first, would not take anything for granted at this time of year.


Heard JS post game comments SB is 100% fully focused on NW
The Syracuse BC game will be a great one as will SB vs NW. I'm happy NW is on Li twice this year much better than flying to Chicago to watch my daughter ! To chime in regardless of what happens tomorrow what That coach has turned SB into in a short amount of time is astonishing but I think the wildcats could get it done
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB v MD up next.
If you want to be the champ you have to beat the champ, right?
JS gets his national title game early this year.


I would worry about Northwestern first, would not take anything for granted at this time of year.


Heard JS post game comments SB is 100% fully focused on NW


SB may get by NW, but no national title, you are way ahead of yourself there. They have a very good team this year, but not at the level of Florida. And Florida is not at the level of MD. There is a big spread between teams 1,2,3. Also, SB will broom off next year with the loss of talent.
I am a Stony Brook fan and agree Northwestern is going to be a tough opponent.
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Can't be that hated if he's able to retain such great LI talent ! And then mold into a winning product ! Unlike some of these other coaches like ND who can get any one she wants because of the schools reputation and can't do jack with it!!
To say J.S. is universally loved or hated is overstating. He has done a wonderful job at SB, and no one can deny that and his girls love him. He also can be very difficult, and clearly recruits from a single source, and if you do not come from that source he will not even speak with you. Other coaches dislike him not because he win, but because he his arrogant and tough to deal with. Now granted he has recruited from outside his normal course (7 of his las 30 from outside that source), but is that because that well is starting to dry up a bit? and with that being said will other sources recommend SB to there players after being Dissed for 8 years?In the end if your a parent or player from S.B. or Y.J. you love him . If your a coach from another college, or a player or parent not from Y.J. and have had the unfortunate situation of dealing with him you don't. IMHO Stony is doing well but have reached there peak and will never get any further under JS, they are equal with Northwestern who is clearly on a down trend. neither will get past MD.
Interesting I have a younger daughter from a different club and his 19 class is loaded with very good TG players. Regardless for years LI had nothing college wise. We now have a competitive team to watch locally and there is nothing wrong with having aspirations realistic or not. Being ranked 4 is not too shabby
I think people over estimate top talent and system. If players ratings and hype were everything ND and a duke would be better. Fit is everything
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I think people over estimate top talent and system. If players ratings and hype were everything ND and a duke would be better. Fit is everything



Agreed. In my experience, girls from outside of LI do not 'fit' well at a place like SB or Hofstra, or even an Adelphi. It's not that they aren't talented, it's just a different culture. The 'outside' girls think they're going to like it, but when they get there reality hits and they realize it's not what they thought, and are very prone to leave after freshman year. So, JS HAS to pull from LI mostly because he's not going to get much talent from anywhere else. And when you have to pull your resources from a single area eventually it will dry up. Also, what happens when he has a bad season? The local talent will then just go somewhere else, where the coach isn't difficult to tolerate, and the area is nicer. Ut's gonna happen.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can't be that hated if he's able to retain such great LI talent ! And then mold into a winning product ! Unlike some of these other coaches like ND who can get any one she wants because of the schools reputation and can't do jack with it!!
To say J.S. is universally loved or hated is overstating. He has done a wonderful job at SB, and no one can deny that and his girls love him. He also can be very difficult, and clearly recruits from a single source, and if you do not come from that source he will not even speak with you. Other coaches dislike him not because he win, but because he his arrogant and tough to deal with. Now granted he has recruited from outside his normal course (7 of his las 30 from outside that source), but is that because that well is starting to dry up a bit? and with that being said will other sources recommend SB to there players after being Dissed for 8 years?In the end if your a parent or player from S.B. or Y.J. you love him . If your a coach from another college, or a player or parent not from Y.J. and have had the unfortunate situation of dealing with him you don't. IMHO Stony is doing well but have reached there peak and will never get any further under JS, they are equal with Northwestern who is clearly on a down trend. neither will get past MD.


Arrogant is an understatement. He would like people to think he's God's gift to lacrosse. Always overcompensating, trying to prove he's the smartest, best guy in the room because deep down inside he knows he isn't. It rubs people the wrong way. Hello #8 seed. Stinks for his girls but they bought into his used car salesman pitch. "If you act now, this old jalopy will be a sweet ride one day."
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think people over estimate top talent and system. If players ratings and hype were everything ND and a duke would be better. Fit is everything



Agreed. In my experience, girls from outside of LI do not 'fit' well at a place like SB or Hofstra, or even an Adelphi. It's not that they aren't talented, it's just a different culture. The 'outside' girls think they're going to like it, but when they get there reality hits and they realize it's not what they thought, and are very prone to leave after freshman year. So, JS HAS to pull from LI mostly because he's not going to get much talent from anywhere else. And when you have to pull your resources from a single area eventually it will dry up. Also, what happens when he has a bad season? The local talent will then just go somewhere else, where the coach isn't difficult to tolerate, and the area is nicer. Ut's gonna happen.


Why would LI dry up? New class graduates every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can't be that hated if he's able to retain such great LI talent ! And then mold into a winning product ! Unlike some of these other coaches like ND who can get any one she wants because of the schools reputation and can't do jack with it!!
To say J.S. is universally loved or hated is overstating. He has done a wonderful job at SB, and no one can deny that and his girls love him. He also can be very difficult, and clearly recruits from a single source, and if you do not come from that source he will not even speak with you. Other coaches dislike him not because he win, but because he his arrogant and tough to deal with. Now granted he has recruited from outside his normal course (7 of his las 30 from outside that source), but is that because that well is starting to dry up a bit? and with that being said will other sources recommend SB to there players after being Dissed for 8 years?In the end if your a parent or player from S.B. or Y.J. you love him . If your a coach from another college, or a player or parent not from Y.J. and have had the unfortunate situation of dealing with him you don't. IMHO Stony is doing well but have reached there peak and will never get any further under JS, they are equal with Northwestern who is clearly on a down trend. neither will get past MD.


Arrogant is an understatement. He would like people to think he's God's gift to lacrosse. Always overcompensating, trying to prove he's the smartest, best guy in the room because deep down inside he knows he isn't. It rubs people the wrong way. Hello #8 seed. Stinks for his girls but they bought into his used car salesman pitch. "If you act now, this old jalopy will be a sweet ride one day."


he already has some of the top 2021 wrapped up from LI
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The ACC is looking like trash this year, from watching that tournament BC and UNC are the only teams that look dangerous for NCAAs. The Big Ten is the best conference this year.


Penn State and Northwestern out already, sorry, back to the drawing board...
Florida chokes again! Coach has no clue, her and Halfpenny will find a way to lose every game that matters. UF and ND should be minimum final four teams every year with the rosters they have, very sad for those players
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Can't be that hated if he's able to retain such great LI talent ! And then mold into a winning product ! Unlike some of these other coaches like ND who can get any one she wants because of the schools reputation and can't do jack with it!!
To say J.S. is universally loved or hated is overstating. He has done a wonderful job at SB, and no one can deny that and his girls love him. He also can be very difficult, and clearly recruits from a single source, and if you do not come from that source he will not even speak with you. Other coaches dislike him not because he win, but because he his arrogant and tough to deal with. Now granted he has recruited from outside his normal course (7 of his las 30 from outside that source), but is that because that well is starting to dry up a bit? and with that being said will other sources recommend SB to there players after being Dissed for 8 years?In the end if your a parent or player from S.B. or Y.J. you love him . If your a coach from another college, or a player or parent not from Y.J. and have had the unfortunate situation of dealing with him you don't. IMHO Stony is doing well but have reached there peak and will never get any further under JS, they are equal with Northwestern who is clearly on a down trend. neither will get past MD.


Arrogant is an understatement. He would like people to think he's God's gift to lacrosse. Always overcompensating, trying to prove he's the smartest, best guy in the room because deep down inside he knows he isn't. It rubs people the wrong way. Hello #8 seed. Stinks for his girls but they bought into his used car salesman pitch. "If you act now, this old jalopy will be a sweet ride one day."


he already has some of the top 2021 wrapped up from LI


No reason SB can't stay competitive, it's the same model that Maryland uses - state school (tuition is minimal for local kids) makes it easy entice your local kids to stay home, get an education for a fraction of what other schools cost apkand play on a very competitive team
Umass stomped by Navy WOW! How about those Gators another wow losing to USC Mandy O not getting most out of her talent embarrassing
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can't be that hated if he's able to retain such great LI talent ! And then mold into a winning product ! Unlike some of these other coaches like ND who can get any one she wants because of the schools reputation and can't do jack with it!!
To say J.S. is universally loved or hated is overstating. He has done a wonderful job at SB, and no one can deny that and his girls love him. He also can be very difficult, and clearly recruits from a single source, and if you do not come from that source he will not even speak with you. Other coaches dislike him not because he win, but because he his arrogant and tough to deal with. Now granted he has recruited from outside his normal course (7 of his las 30 from outside that source), but is that because that well is starting to dry up a bit? and with that being said will other sources recommend SB to there players after being Dissed for 8 years?In the end if your a parent or player from S.B. or Y.J. you love him . If your a coach from another college, or a player or parent not from Y.J. and have had the unfortunate situation of dealing with him you don't. IMHO Stony is doing well but have reached there peak and will never get any further under JS, they are equal with Northwestern who is clearly on a down trend. neither will get past MD.


Arrogant is an understatement. He would like people to think he's God's gift to lacrosse. Always overcompensating, trying to prove he's the smartest, best guy in the room because deep down inside he knows he isn't. It rubs people the wrong way. Hello #8 seed. Stinks for his girls but they bought into his used car salesman pitch. "If you act now, this old jalopy will be a sweet ride one day."


he already has some of the top 2021 wrapped up from LI



Love these parents chirping about their "best" 2021 daughters. The best girls commit to MD, UNC and Florida, and they school your daughter now, and will for years to come
Florida losing is shocking watched the feed the way the Florida coaches were acting is embarrassing to the game!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think people over estimate top talent and system. If players ratings and hype were everything ND and a duke would be better. Fit is everything



Agreed. In my experience, girls from outside of LI do not 'fit' well at a place like SB or Hofstra, or even an Adelphi. It's not that they aren't talented, it's just a different culture. The 'outside' girls think they're going to like it, but when they get there reality hits and they realize it's not what they thought, and are very prone to leave after freshman year. So, JS HAS to pull from LI mostly because he's not going to get much talent from anywhere else. And when you have to pull your resources from a single area eventually it will dry up. Also, what happens when he has a bad season? The local talent will then just go somewhere else, where the coach isn't difficult to tolerate, and the area is nicer. Ut's gonna happen.


Why would LI dry up? New class graduates every year.




The interest in going to SB will dry up once the bad season hits. I should've been more clear. LI girls are very much a 'what have you done for me lately' type. So, like I said earlier, when a bad season or two comes, where will the LI talent go then? Outside of a sometimes winning program, what else does SB have to offer for a lax kid? The area? Hah!
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The ACC is looking like trash this year, from watching that tournament BC and UNC are the only teams that look dangerous for NCAAs. The Big Ten is the best conference this year.


Penn State and Northwestern out already, sorry, back to the drawing board...


Apologies, watching men's game and had that on the brain. Congrats to Penn State on the win today.
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[quote=Anonymous]Stony Brook will get screwed and be put in the same bracket as Princeton, Syracuse and Boston College three teams that are all playing very strong over the last couple of weeks.


NCAA tries to limit/minimize travel/costs for most teams. Syracuse may host so SBU could dodge them early. Cornell and Penn could make trek to LI... Who would you like SBU to be in a bracket with? Binghamton,Vermont and UNH aren't making the tournament this year.


While I understand the reasons for regional games it gives teams like USC a clear advantage. They are a .500 team if they played on the east coast , who will they play out there , there is little competition.


How did USC do this weekend on the east coast?



Go Navy....
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can't be that hated if he's able to retain such great LI talent ! And then mold into a winning product ! Unlike some of these other coaches like ND who can get any one she wants because of the schools reputation and can't do jack with it!!
To say J.S. is universally loved or hated is overstating. He has done a wonderful job at SB, and no one can deny that and his girls love him. He also can be very difficult, and clearly recruits from a single source, and if you do not come from that source he will not even speak with you. Other coaches dislike him not because he win, but because he his arrogant and tough to deal with. Now granted he has recruited from outside his normal course (7 of his las 30 from outside that source), but is that because that well is starting to dry up a bit? and with that being said will other sources recommend SB to there players after being Dissed for 8 years?In the end if your a parent or player from S.B. or Y.J. you love him . If your a coach from another college, or a player or parent not from Y.J. and have had the unfortunate situation of dealing with him you don't. IMHO Stony is doing well but have reached there peak and will never get any further under JS, they are equal with Northwestern who is clearly on a down trend. neither will get past MD.


Arrogant is an understatement. He would like people to think he's God's gift to lacrosse. Always overcompensating, trying to prove he's the smartest, best guy in the room because deep down inside he knows he isn't. It rubs people the wrong way. Hello #8 seed. Stinks for his girls but they bought into his used car salesman pitch. "If you act now, this old jalopy will be a sweet ride one day."


he already has some of the top 2021 wrapped up from LI



No 2020's though
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Stony Brook will get screwed and be put in the same bracket as Princeton, Syracuse and Boston College three teams that are all playing very strong over the last couple of weeks.


NCAA tries to limit/minimize travel/costs for most teams. Syracuse may host so SBU could dodge them early. Cornell and Penn could make trek to LI... Who would you like SBU to be in a bracket with? Binghamton,Vermont and UNH aren't making the tournament this year.


While I understand the reasons for regional games it gives teams like USC a clear advantage. They are a .500 team if they played on the east coast , who will they play out there , there is little competition.


How did USC do this weekend on the east coast?






Ah, good one. They beat perennial power florida. I'm glad to see the gators out. Too one-dimensional. A little over-rated, as usual. Loads of talent, not good coaching.
Wrong 3 2020 going to SB
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Umass stomped by Navy WOW! How about those Gators another wow losing to USC Mandy O not getting most out of her talent embarrassing


Horrible coach flat out. Thankfully now the one or two guys that are always touting Florida can put the tank top in and go out and wax the Iroc instead of yapping about that program!!
Sick to my stomach with this Florida loss Terrible. After last year this is terrible
Anyone else who would love seeing SB beat MD
Lets be fair - is someone saying he has top 2020-2021 recruits?
what about the BIG win by BC over Syracuse and the HUGE disappointment of Florida.
BC soph should have made the Tewaaraton top 5. She proves every game why she's one of the best in the country.
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BC soph should have made the Tewaaraton top 5. She proves every game why she's one of the best in the country.



Woulda coulda shoulda. Wth cares? They are moving on that's all that really counts right? Individual stuff is noise..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC soph should have made the Tewaaraton top 5. She proves every game why she's one of the best in the country.


Well she sure did play big in the most important game to date in her career and against big bad syracuse
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think people over estimate top talent and system. If players ratings and hype were everything ND and a duke would be better. Fit is everything



Agreed. In my experience, girls from outside of LI do not 'fit' well at a place like SB or Hofstra, or even an Adelphi. It's not that they aren't talented, it's just a different culture. The 'outside' girls think they're going to like it, but when they get there reality hits and they realize it's not what they thought, and are very prone to leave after freshman year. So, JS HAS to pull from LI mostly because he's not going to get much talent from anywhere else. And when you have to pull your resources from a single area eventually it will dry up. Also, what happens when he has a bad season? The local talent will then just go somewhere else, where the coach isn't difficult to tolerate, and the area is nicer. Ut's gonna happen.


Why would LI dry up? New class graduates every year.



In a macro-sense the statement is true, but not the near future. Here are two reasons why. The lower grade classes in Long Island towns with strong lacrosse programs are at all time lows. Smaller pools of talent will result in weaker overall players. In addition other traditional Long Island towns are having children age population swings to cultures that are not lacrosse oriented. The combination will have an affect on the overall quality of talent on Long Island.
BC is playing good enough to win it all
After all of the bickering and the week to week meaningless polls here are the Top 8 Teams in the country. Who will advance to The Final Four?

1 - Maryland: Big Ten - Everyones # 1, will face a good Stony Brook Team. Stony Brook could keep it close but in the end MD will pull away.

2 - North Carolina: ACC - Navy is surprise of the tournament but UNC will be too much for them. UNC by 6 or 7 goals.

3 - Penn State: Big Ten - Looking to make it back to back Final Fours. Princeton is battle tested and has a very good goalie along with some depth. Edge goes to lions.

4 - Princeton: Ivy - Left no doubt they are the best iIvy but can they knock off PSU? if they can keep it close early the Tigers could surprise. Defense wins championships, Is Tiger D good enough?

5 - Stony Brook: America East - Looking to advance past the quarter finals for the first time. Good team but not sure they will have enough to pull off the upset.

6 - USC: MPSF - Toss up with BC. Knocking off Florida has to give them a confidence bump.

7 - Boston College: ACC - Toss up with USC. Dominated the Orange and playing well.

8 - Navy: Patriot League - Surprise of the Tourney. Would this be there first Final Four? Go Navy!
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In a macro-sense the statement is true, but not the near future. Here are two reasons why. The lower grade classes in Long Island towns with strong lacrosse programs are at all time lows. Smaller pools of talent will result in weaker overall players. In addition other traditional Long Island towns are having children age population swings to cultures that are not lacrosse oriented. The combination will have an affect on the overall quality of talent on Long Island.[/quote]

Great point. Many people aren't signing up for high priced east coast summer travel at 1st grade and the sport refuses to go to smaller 7v7 to get more kids passing and catching. The sport is being hijacked by the best handful of kids at the younger ages and everyone else is walking away. Such a shame. Hopefully the recruiting change slows the process down and keeps more involved.

On the positive side, outside the top 10 college lacrosse is very average which means there will always be a place for the girls who want to play in college. Our HS has 5 girls committed to play in college without ever playing club because they are exceptional athletes and the sport is really lacking those. Plus with extra programs coming on line college lacrosse outside the top 10 is almost a walk on if you aren't hung up on a little scholarship money
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After all of the bickering and the week to week meaningless polls here are the Top 8 Teams in the country. Who will advance to The Final Four?

1 - Maryland: Big Ten - Everyones # 1, will face a good Stony Brook Team. Stony Brook could keep it close but in the end MD will pull away.

2 - North Carolina: ACC - Navy is surprise of the tournament but UNC will be too much for them. UNC by 6 or 7 goals.

3 - Penn State: Big Ten - Looking to make it back to back Final Fours. Princeton is battle tested and has a very good goalie along with some depth. Edge goes to lions.

4 - Princeton: Ivy - Left no doubt they are the best iIvy but can they knock off PSU? if they can keep it close early the Tigers could surprise. Defense wins championships, Is Tiger D good enough?

5 - Stony Brook: America East - Looking to advance past the quarter finals for the first time. Good team but not sure they will have enough to pull off the upset.

6 - USC: MPSF - Toss up with BC. Knocking off Florida has to give them a confidence bump.

7 - Boston College: ACC - Toss up with USC. Dominated the Orange and playing well.

8 - Navy: Patriot League - Surprise of the Tourney. Would this be there first Final Four? Go Navy!


This may be the best post on here EVER!!
Accurate and not demeaning anyone
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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In a macro-sense the statement is true, but not the near future. Here are two reasons why. The lower grade classes in Long Island towns with strong lacrosse programs are at all time lows. Smaller pools of talent will result in weaker overall players. In addition other traditional Long Island towns are having children age population swings to cultures that are not lacrosse oriented. The combination will have an affect on the overall quality of talent on Long Island.


Great point. Many people aren't signing up for high priced east coast summer travel at 1st grade and the sport refuses to go to smaller 7v7 to get more kids passing and catching. The sport is being hijacked by the best handful of kids at the younger ages and everyone else is walking away. Such a shame. Hopefully the recruiting change slows the process down and keeps more involved.

On the positive side, outside the top 10 college lacrosse is very average which means there will always be a place for the girls who want to play in college. Our HS has 5 girls committed to play in college without ever playing club because they are exceptional athletes and the sport is really lacking those. Plus with extra programs coming on line college lacrosse outside the top 10 is almost a walk on if you aren't hung up on a little scholarship money
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That's what people think about the new programs, that you can just walk on. Spoken like someone who has no idea what they are talking about. Walk on? These new programs are turning people away by the hundreds. The two top travel programs on long island only have about 60% of their 2018 players that are committed to Div1. Don't you think the other 40% want to play. Yes there are a few new programs but lacrosse is being played in more parts of the country. SBU draws Long Island kids because it is a well regarded school that happens to be part of the SUNY system and it has a great program. So it is affordable with little to no scholarship money to NY'ers.

How did these 5 girls on your high school team get seen. I think that might be an exaggeration.

What does macro-sense mean?
Have you watched any games in the bottom 50 of D1 women's lacrosse? There really isn't much going on. If you don't think there is a talent shortage we are watching two different games. There are lots of very good players but very very few great ones.

And those 40% not committed can play if the want but they might not get a cash offer. Again good players not great
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Lets be fair - is someone saying he has top 2020-2021 recruits?

3 YJ 2020's committed...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[/quote]

In a macro-sense the statement is true, but not the near future. Here are two reasons why. The lower grade classes in Long Island towns with strong lacrosse programs are at all time lows. Smaller pools of talent will result in weaker overall players. In addition other traditional Long Island towns are having children age population swings to cultures that are not lacrosse oriented. The combination will have an affect on the overall quality of talent on Long Island.


Great point. Many people aren't signing up for high priced east coast summer travel at 1st grade and the sport refuses to go to smaller 7v7 to get more kids passing and catching. The sport is being hijacked by the best handful of kids at the younger ages and everyone else is walking away. Such a shame. Hopefully the recruiting change slows the process down and keeps more involved.

On the positive side, outside the top 10 college lacrosse is very average which means there will always be a place for the girls who want to play in college. Our HS has 5 girls committed to play in college without ever playing club because they are exceptional athletes and the sport is really lacking those. Plus with extra programs coming on line college lacrosse outside the top 10 is almost a walk on if you aren't hung up on a little scholarship money
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Where are the 5 exceptional non club playing athletes going to school? All info is important. thanks
BC vs usc should be a great battle. Crazy to think 3 of top 8 seeds eliminated already !!
Stony Brook has never really gotten the top recruits from LI and will never really get them. That sais JS is excellent at recruiting and I think many time sees the potential in kids that many other top lax programs miss. He also puts kids in a position and a system to succeed. Look at the Ohlmiller sisters (spelling looks wrong), neither were very highly recruited ,KO may be the best offensive player in the country, TO may end up being the rookie of the year in the NCAA. Yes playing the schedule they do helps them in terms of putting up big numbers but still very impressive. While cost and being close to home are majors draws for some kids the top kids get enough money that cost in not as much an issue and many want that full college experience ,awesome campus, great athletics in multiple programs,facilities, nice college town, better weather, etc.
Let's not count out the top D2 programs which offer money and retain their athletes. Some very competitive games were played between NYIT, Pace, Mercy, Adelphi, Le Moyne and LIU Post. Great way to take advantage of undergrad programs
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Originally Posted by Anonymous


In a macro-sense the statement is true, but not the near future. Here are two reasons why. The lower grade classes in Long Island towns with strong lacrosse programs are at all time lows. Smaller pools of talent will result in weaker overall players. In addition other traditional Long Island towns are having children age population swings to cultures that are not lacrosse oriented. The combination will have an affect on the overall quality of talent on Long Island.


Great point. Many people aren't signing up for high priced east coast summer travel at 1st grade and the sport refuses to go to smaller 7v7 to get more kids passing and catching. The sport is being hijacked by the best handful of kids at the younger ages and everyone else is walking away. Such a shame. Hopefully the recruiting change slows the process down and keeps more involved.

On the positive side, outside the top 10 college lacrosse is very average which means there will always be a place for the girls who want to play in college. Our HS has 5 girls committed to play in college without ever playing club because they are exceptional athletes and the sport is really lacking those. Plus with extra programs coming on line college lacrosse outside the top 10 is almost a walk on if you aren't hung up on a little scholarship money
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That's what people think about the new programs, that you can just walk on. Spoken like someone who has no idea what they are talking about. Walk on? These new programs are turning people away by the hundreds. The two top travel programs on long island only have about 60% of their 2018 players that are committed to Div1. Don't you think the other 40% want to play. Yes there are a few new programs but lacrosse is being played in more parts of the country. SBU draws Long Island kids because it is a well regarded school that happens to be part of the SUNY system and it has a great program. So it is affordable with little to no scholarship money to NY'ers.

How did these 5 girls on your high school team get seen. I think that might be an exaggeration.

What does macro-sense mean?[/quote]

Macro versus micro. Macro a bigger picture. Micro is looking at something specific.
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Stony Brook has never really gotten the top recruits from LI and will never really get them. That sais JS is excellent at recruiting and I think many time sees the potential in kids that many other top lax programs miss. He also puts kids in a position and a system to succeed. Look at the Ohlmiller sisters (spelling looks wrong), neither were very highly recruited ,KO may be the best offensive player in the country, TO may end up being the rookie of the year in the NCAA. Yes playing the schedule they do helps them in terms of putting up big numbers but still very impressive. While cost and being close to home are majors draws for some kids the top kids get enough money that cost in not as much an issue and many want that full college experience ,awesome campus, great athletics in multiple programs,facilities, nice college town, better weather, etc.


Wasn't the younger sister originally committed to Towson? I believe both girls were recruited quite well. Both eventually stayed local which is always an option. Lets face, both players didn't "fall through the cracks" and Stony Brook scooped them up.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think people over estimate top talent and system. If players ratings and hype were everything ND and a duke would be better. Fit is everything



Agreed. In my experience, girls from outside of LI do not 'fit' well at a place like SB or Hofstra, or even an Adelphi. It's not that they aren't talented, it's just a different culture. The 'outside' girls think they're going to like it, but when they get there reality hits and they realize it's not what they thought, and are very prone to leave after freshman year. So, JS HAS to pull from LI mostly because he's not going to get much talent from anywhere else. And when you have to pull your resources from a single area eventually it will dry up. Also, what happens when he has a bad season? The local talent will then just go somewhere else, where the coach isn't difficult to tolerate, and the area is nicer. Ut's gonna happen.


Why would LI dry up? New class graduates every year.



In a macro-sense the statement is true, but not the near future. Here are two reasons why. The lower grade classes in Long Island towns with strong lacrosse programs are at all time lows. Smaller pools of talent will result in weaker overall players. In addition other traditional Long Island towns are having children age population swings to cultures that are not lacrosse oriented. The combination will have an affect on the overall quality of talent on Long Island.


I guess you're referring to Manhasset here? I don't know of any other traditionally strong towns that are experiencing significant changes.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have you watched any games in the bottom 50 of D1 women's lacrosse? There really isn't much going on. If you don't think there is a talent shortage we are watching two different games. There are lots of very good players but very very few great ones.

And those 40% not committed can play if the want but they might not get a cash offer. Again good players not great


Well said but I still abide by a stamenet I have used many times on this forum and others
They are student athletes
Note what comes first ( student )
It is great to go to a top lax school
It is far more important to attend a school that will align you with the path for rest of your life
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think people over estimate top talent and system. If players ratings and hype were everything ND and a duke would be better. Fit is everything



Agreed. In my experience, girls from outside of LI do not 'fit' well at a place like SB or Hofstra, or even an Adelphi. It's not that they aren't talented, it's just a different culture. The 'outside' girls think they're going to like it, but when they get there reality hits and they realize it's not what they thought, and are very prone to leave after freshman year. So, JS HAS to pull from LI mostly because he's not going to get much talent from anywhere else. And when you have to pull your resources from a single area eventually it will dry up. Also, what happens when he has a bad season? The local talent will then just go somewhere else, where the coach isn't difficult to tolerate, and the area is nicer. Ut's gonna happen.


Why would LI dry up? New class graduates every year.



In a macro-sense the statement is true, but not the near future. Here are two reasons why. The lower grade classes in Long Island towns with strong lacrosse programs are at all time lows. Smaller pools of talent will result in weaker overall players. In addition other traditional Long Island towns are having children age population swings to cultures that are not lacrosse oriented. The combination will have an affect on the overall quality of talent on Long Island.


I guess you're referring to Manhasset here? I don't know of any other traditionally strong towns that are experiencing significant changes.


To a certain degree yes. It's not only the traditionally strong but other programs with competitive to less competitive programs. Syosset has a changing cultural population that is not lacrosse oriented. Jericho, a small, well regarded district, while not a lacrosse powerhouse, has actually a referendum to do away with all sports and go to a seven day a week schedule. The rate of population growth in the hispanic cultures far exceeds any other cultural group and is not lacrosse oriented. East Islip's kindergarten class is the smallest in decades yet has the highest hispanic percentage. There are other districts also experiencing this change.

Another issue is Long Island is trending older. The net migration of young, white (I have to say it; it's the demographic of lacrosse) young folks away from Long Island is very high. Young people are not looking to live in an area of high cost; housing, taxes, utilities. This too will have an affect over a period of time.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have you watched any games in the bottom 50 of D1 women's lacrosse? There really isn't much going on. If you don't think there is a talent shortage we are watching two different games. There are lots of very good players but very very few great ones.

And those 40% not committed can play if the want but they might not get a cash offer. Again good players not great


Well said but I still abide by a stamenet I have used many times on this forum and others
They are student athletes
Note what comes first ( student )
It is great to go to a top lax school
It is far more important to attend a school that will align you with the path for rest of your life
The real reason "student" comes first is because years ago the NCAA needed to classify athletes as students so they didn't have to pay them, and so the schools can use students pictures and likenesses freely without having to pay them
Any Rumors or ideas of who is front runner for Michigan women's job?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any Rumors or ideas of who is front runner for Michigan women's job?



Spallina is a lock for it if he wants the job. I know for a fact they are talking about it.
BC or USC
SB vs Md
Unc vs navy
Princeton vs penn state

Pick the games
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any Rumors or ideas of who is front runner for Michigan women's job?



Spallina is a lock for it if he wants the job. I know for a fact they are talking about it.



What about Villanova? Will they ever get a new coach?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any Rumors or ideas of who is front runner for Michigan women's job?



Spallina is a lock for it if he wants the job. I know for a fact they are talking about it.


He would never move his family off Long Island. You can bet on that!
Would think with many of these schools eliminated for a few weeks if changes were going to be made they either would of been or will very soon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC or USC
SB vs Md
Unc vs navy
Princeton vs penn state

Pick the games


Boston College
Stony Brook
North Carolina
Princeton

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BC or USC
SB vs Md
Unc vs navy
Princeton vs penn state

Pick the games


Boston College
Stony Brook
North Carolina
Princeton



Agree with all except I think MD.

When are these games being played?
for a 1/2 mil he might!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
for a 1/2 mil he might!!


LOL nobody pays that for a sport no one watches. Michigan women's lacrosse doesn't fill the "big house" and its 115,000 seats like football! They get 200 people per game like everyone else. With his side gigs he is making good money. Whoever said he wont leave LI was right.
500K for a Women's lacrosse coach!! Whoa, that's more than the team budget.
Unless you're a parent of a Michigan player or parent of a Michigan recruit, nobody cares about any past, or future coach. This subject is not newsworthy. Lacrosse is a great sport. But will never sell out stadiums. Rarely will you ever see more than friends and family members attending lacrosse games.
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Unless you're a parent of a Michigan player or parent of a Michigan recruit, nobody cares about any past, or future coach. This subject is not newsworthy. Lacrosse is a great sport. But will never sell out stadiums. Rarely will you ever see more than friends and family members attending lacrosse games.


Should be a great crowd for the BC v USC game this weekend.
Go Seawolves!
Go Adelphi
Go BC!
Go USC!
Hey SB, what are YOU doing next weekend?
Is any other sport as easily affected by the officials than women's lacrosse? A penalty can be called or not every 60 seconds!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey SB, what are YOU doing next weekend?

Same thing as USC.
SB had approximately 57 fouls! 57!!!!!! That is obviously a coaching strategy. The typical LI thug ball way of playing caught up with them today.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey SB, what are YOU doing next weekend?


Hanging out with UNC watching championship weekend on TV.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey SB, what are YOU doing next weekend?


Why, are YOU going to be playing? [lacrosse].
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB had approximately 57 fouls! 57!!!!!! That is obviously a coaching strategy. The typical LI thug ball way of playing caught up with them today.


Didn't catchup with them - it's what almost won them the game. Obviously irrelevant, but would have won with last year's rules (no shot clock) - up 4 with 12 minutes to go, could have just run the clock out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is any other sport as easily affected by the officials than women's lacrosse? A penalty can be called or not every 60 seconds!



its like harness racing its rigged
could this be the year a new team wins it? BC & Navy vs past winners MD and maybe Princeton

How do you not cheer for Navy?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB had approximately 57 fouls! 57!!!!!! That is obviously a coaching strategy. The typical LI thug ball way of playing caught up with them today.


Didn't catchup with them - it's what almost won them the game. Obviously irrelevant, but would have won with last year's rules (no shot clock) - up 4 with 12 minutes to go, could have just run the clock out.

No but no one els was bragging either, Being up by 4 with 12 minuets left meant nothing even last year because 1:20 later they were only up by 1, and 57 fouls proves that woman lacrosse needs to go to the progressive foul system, five and out.
And watching the game, the officiating was a joke the last 5 minutes (my bias side speaking).
That being said, SB should be proud of themselves. Taking the #1 team to a 1 goal game. Would have been nice if SB wasn't the 8 seed and this game would have been in the final four. MD will not have a close game the rest of the way to their title.
You have to give MD all the credit, the way they came back, it was a classic.
Most of the fouls were shooting space and 3 sec. game wasn't that physical. Refs were very involved. What a game tho
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey SB, what are YOU doing next weekend?


Why, are YOU going to be playing? [lacrosse].



Told you they'd choke when it counts
Progressive fouls system PLEASE!!!!!

Terrible to watch, so choppy and completely arbitrary with very little consistency.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey SB, what are YOU doing next weekend?


Why, are YOU going to be playing? [lacrosse].



Told you they'd choke when it counts


Losing to undefeated #1 team in the country who hasn't lost at home in four years is choking lololol if that true wonder what you would use to describe yourself My daughter plays at Hofstra and I wanted maryland to win. But that isn't choking. People like you make this board unreadable sometimes
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey SB, what are YOU doing next weekend?


Why, are YOU going to be playing? [lacrosse].



Told you they'd choke when it counts


Losing to undefeated #1 team in the country who hasn't lost at home in four years is choking lololol if that true wonder what you would use to describe yourself My daughter plays at Hofstra and I wanted maryland to win. But that isn't choking. People like you make this board unreadable sometimes
Winners go on, losers go home, bottom line, Looks like JS MLL team is going down as well. When you treat people like crap....all I have to say is....Karma
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Winners go on, losers go home, bottom line, Looks like JS MLL team is going down as well. When you treat people like crap....all I have to say is....Karma



Touche'. And, the SB fans can't seem to understand that there are rules to the game of lacrosse. Here's a tip, SB-fan...Not every call against SB is a bad call. When you continually use the 3-second violation as a reset, it's gonna get called when the refs see it. You don't always get to play thug ball and LI ball. Sometimes you have to play by the rules. Get over it. You lost. Get a coach who isn't a whiner.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Winners go on, losers go home, bottom line, Looks like JS MLL team is going down as well. When you treat people like crap....all I have to say is....Karma


If losing to undefeated clear cut #1maryland by one in the final minute is "karma" then I need some of that lol Was a great game. My belief is maryland wins it all now
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Winners go on, losers go home, bottom line, Looks like JS MLL team is going down as well. When you treat people like crap....all I have to say is....Karma


If losing to undefeated clear cut #1maryland by one in the final minute is "karma" then I need some of that lol Was a great game. My belief is maryland wins it all now
Stony Brook game plan was to slow game down with fouls (58). Maryland not great at free positions (2-11) while SB only had three (0-3). They lost by one and it was a great effort. It was an ugly affair and one has to think if this is the ceiling for Stony Brook. If they need to play this way to beat a quality team then it is the ceiling. I was watching with folks with no team in play and they did not like the style of play.

For those complaining about the 8 seed write your governor. Without the ban you are in the seven seed and on a different path. Liberal politics affected your team. Welcome to NY.
Said Kylie Ohlmiller, after today's game: “I think people who watched this game knew who the better team was. That’s us. It just didn’t go our way in the end." And, JS's post-game comments: “I’d rather talk about our women, how proud I am of them. I’m not going to talk about the fact that we had five yellow cards. I don’t want to talk about the fact that we had 58 fouls and they had 15. I don’t want to talk about the fact that they had 732 free positions and we had three. I’d rather not talk about it. That would be really cool if one of you (the media) talked about it. I want to talk about how my kids played their hearts out and took this program to a different level.” Typical LI attitude. You guys always have an excuse when you get beaten. The reason you got called for 58 fouls is because you probably fouled 55 of those times, most of them of the 3-second variety. It's part of the defensive scheme. Same with the FP's. If you play an overly-aggressive defensive style and you hack someone inside the 8 meter, the result is a FP for the other team (For those of us outside of LI, we call it the "LI way". If you can't play the game right, hack 'em). Either change your style or quit bitching, and compliment the other team that you just lost to. It's called respect. Grow up J.
Shocked with the thumping usc was handed by Boston College. Thought that would be a closer game. How did they score 20 on that defense.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Said Kylie Ohlmiller, after today's game: “I think people who watched this game knew who the better team was. That’s us. It just didn’t go our way in the end." And, JS's post-game comments: “I’d rather talk about our women, how proud I am of them. I’m not going to talk about the fact that we had five yellow cards. I don’t want to talk about the fact that we had 58 fouls and they had 15. I don’t want to talk about the fact that they had 732 free positions and we had three. I’d rather not talk about it. That would be really cool if one of you (the media) talked about it. I want to talk about how my kids played their hearts out and took this program to a different level.” Typical LI attitude. You guys always have an excuse when you get beaten. The reason you got called for 58 fouls is because you probably fouled 55 of those times, most of them of the 3-second variety. It's part of the defensive scheme. Same with the FP's. If you play an overly-aggressive defensive style and you hack someone inside the 8 meter, the result is a FP for the other team (For those of us outside of LI, we call it the "LI way". If you can't play the game right, hack 'em). Either change your style or quit bitching, and compliment the other team that you just lost to. It's called respect. Grow up J.

I actually heard the audio of post game and opening statement was praise of coach Reese and Maryland. He was then asked on a few occasions about the refereeing and after the third question that was his reply. Regardless could of been handled better but after a tough loss with crying seniors I get it. the audio was on USB radio. As a bystander I think the sb number of fouls with three seconds and shooting space is in the ball park even tho there were a few that raised eyebrows. But marylands low number was almost ten less than their average and with teams playing that hard that seems off. Regardless it was a great game tip my cap to SB and their rise in the sport. Think the sport needs these type of things
Thoughts on our next opponent. Princeton or State. Think I prefer Princeton but we shall see

Go Navy!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Winners go on, losers go home, bottom line, Looks like JS MLL team is going down as well. When you treat people like crap....all I have to say is....Karma



Touche'. And, the SB fans can't seem to understand that there are rules to the game of lacrosse. Here's a tip, SB-fan...Not every call against SB is a bad call. When you continually use the 3-second violation as a reset, it's gonna get called when the refs see it. You don't always get to play thug ball and LI ball. Sometimes you have to play by the rules. Get over it. You lost. Get a coach who isn't a whiner.



Stop with the thug ball already. So overused.

but I will say this; when a basketball coach deliberately fouls the worse free throw shooter on the opposing team, the coach usually doesn't complain about the number of fouls called against his team.

SB's strategy was to play very aggressively and force free positions.

A lot of calls against you is the consequence of that strategy.

Nothing to do with officials. The strategy got SB so close, but in the end it failed.

Congrats to SB players. Terrific game and they should be proud.
SB, UNC both victims of the new shot clock rule, last year both of those games would have been won easily via the stall
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB, UNC both victims of the new shot clock rule, last year both of those games would have been won easily via the stall
Again , SB was not a victim of the clock!!!! With more than 10 minuets left on the game clock UMD was able to score 3 goals in 1:20 while SB was trying to eat clock. Make any excuse you want but Maryland was the better team that day. they kept there heads and won a very tight game. SB crammed the 8 and tried to cut off the center of the field , and it almost worked. The by-product of that strategy is they got called for more 3 second violations than I have seen in 3 years. But those 3 second calls were legitimate. You can't devise a defensive strategy that brakes a rule , and then blame the officials for calling the rule. Reese was able to make the adjustment to beat a pretty good game plan, but you need to look at your coach for not adapting to the game as it was called in the first half, he continued the same game plan after 30+ fouls in the first half, thats good scouting pre game.... bad coaching in game. Spallina lost that game because he could not adapt, where as Reese could, thats the difference between a champion and a wanna' be. Even if it is true that SB lost because of the shot clock, that exposes JS as a coach that can't adapt to a game time situation..... let alone a year long rule change with 2 years to adapt.
Oh please stop!
We from LI play tournaments in MD since the girls are in 6th grade.
Never the other way around!These two teams have players from those teams that would meet in the finals all the time growing up. You parents know what I mean.
1 stop nobody wants to lose. Always good winners..
2 it was very quiet during the game when Stony Brook was giving them a game.
3 be honest.... what a game
4 did anybody see a charge yesterday?
I always tell my teams not to let the
Refs beat you.
As a ref told me nobody should know I refed the game(know what I mean)
Always fun to watch a great lacrosse game. Hats off to the goalies!
Still comes down to the draw and ground balls!!!!
You can't play defense in women's lacrosse.
Great game SB
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB, UNC both victims of the new shot clock rule, last year both of those games would have been won easily via the stall
Again , SB was not a victim of the clock!!!! With more than 10 minuets left on the game clock UMD was able to score 3 goals in 1:20 while SB was trying to eat clock. Make any excuse you want but Maryland was the better team that day. they kept there heads and won a very tight game. SB crammed the 8 and tried to cut off the center of the field , and it almost worked. The by-product of that strategy is they got called for more 3 second violations than I have seen in 3 years. But those 3 second calls were legitimate. You can't devise a defensive strategy that brakes a rule , and then blame the officials for calling the rule. Reese was able to make the adjustment to beat a pretty good game plan, but you need to look at your coach for not adapting to the game as it was called in the first half, he continued the same game plan after 30+ fouls in the first half, thats good scouting pre game.... bad coaching in game. Spallina lost that game because he could not adapt, where as Reese could, thats the difference between a champion and a wanna' be. Even if it is true that SB lost because of the shot clock, that exposes JS as a coach that can't adapt to a game time situation..... let alone a year long rule change with 2 years to adapt.
c

All that sounds fine except if you read what Reese said she didn't go in the huddle down 4 goals because it was "their team". So perhaps she was getting in the way of our players. She had nothing to say. Wow
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB, UNC both victims of the new shot clock rule, last year both of those games would have been won easily via the stall


UNC had 5 Yellow Cards. #23 got two and finished her Senior campaign on the bench watching her team lose to a Navy. No one seems upset with Tar Heels ?!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB, UNC both victims of the new shot clock rule, last year both of those games would have been won easily via the stall
Again , SB was not a victim of the clock!!!! With more than 10 minuets left on the game clock UMD was able to score 3 goals in 1:20 while SB was trying to eat clock. Make any excuse you want but Maryland was the better team that day. they kept there heads and won a very tight game. SB crammed the 8 and tried to cut off the center of the field , and it almost worked. The by-product of that strategy is they got called for more 3 second violations than I have seen in 3 years. But those 3 second calls were legitimate. You can't devise a defensive strategy that brakes a rule , and then blame the officials for calling the rule. Reese was able to make the adjustment to beat a pretty good game plan, but you need to look at your coach for not adapting to the game as it was called in the first half, he continued the same game plan after 30+ fouls in the first half, thats good scouting pre game.... bad coaching in game. Spallina lost that game because he could not adapt, where as Reese could, thats the difference between a champion and a wanna' be. Even if it is true that SB lost because of the shot clock, that exposes JS as a coach that can't adapt to a game time situation..... let alone a year long rule change with 2 years to adapt.
c

All that sounds fine except if you read what Reese said she didn't go in the huddle down 4 goals because it was "their team". So perhaps she was getting in the way of our players. She had nothing to say. Wow


Interesting how she also said her team had not dealt with much adversity all year yet one of the only times they did she turned her back on them hmmmm so basically one of the few times she had to coach she detached herself from her team?!
Again this is not made up this based on her post game comments
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB, UNC both victims of the new shot clock rule, last year both of those games would have been won easily via the stall
Again , SB was not a victim of the clock!!!! With more than 10 minuets left on the game clock UMD was able to score 3 goals in 1:20 while SB was trying to eat clock. Make any excuse you want but Maryland was the better team that day. they kept there heads and won a very tight game. SB crammed the 8 and tried to cut off the center of the field , and it almost worked. The by-product of that strategy is they got called for more 3 second violations than I have seen in 3 years. But those 3 second calls were legitimate. You can't devise a defensive strategy that brakes a rule , and then blame the officials for calling the rule. Reese was able to make the adjustment to beat a pretty good game plan, but you need to look at your coach for not adapting to the game as it was called in the first half, he continued the same game plan after 30+ fouls in the first half, thats good scouting pre game.... bad coaching in game. Spallina lost that game because he could not adapt, where as Reese could, thats the difference between a champion and a wanna' be. Even if it is true that SB lost because of the shot clock, that exposes JS as a coach that can't adapt to a game time situation..... let alone a year long rule change with 2 years to adapt.
c

All that sounds fine except if you read what Reese said she didn't go in the huddle down 4 goals because it was "their team". So perhaps she was getting in the way of our players. She had nothing to say. Wow


Interesting how she also said her team had not dealt with much adversity all year yet one of the only times they did she turned her back on them hmmmm so basically one of the few times she had to coach she detached herself from her team?!
Again this is not made up this based on her post game comments
maybe both of you should reread the article, she said when she took the time out when they were down by 4 she addressed her team, 1:20 seconds later after they scored 3 goals and SB took a time out she told her team that she has said everything she needed to say during the first time out and left it up to her senior captains during the second time out. Sounds like you all either have selective memories, or reading comprehension issues.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB, UNC both victims of the new shot clock rule, last year both of those games would have been won easily via the stall


UNC had 5 Yellow Cards. #23 got two and finished her Senior campaign on the bench watching her team lose to a Navy. No one seems upset with Tar Heels ?!!!


Low character edition of Carolina this year. 23 is a bulked up borderline thug that throws her body around and a great example of how the game has changed and is a lot less fun to watch. Clearly ESPN feels the same way. Remember just a few years ago we could turn on the TV and watch in high def??? Now it's streaming over the laptop at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB, UNC both victims of the new shot clock rule, last year both of those games would have been won easily via the stall


UNC had 5 Yellow Cards. #23 got two and finished her Senior campaign on the bench watching her team lose to a Navy. No one seems upset with Tar Heels ?!!!


Low character edition of Carolina this year. 23 is a bulked up borderline thug that throws her body around and a great example of how the game has changed and is a lot less fun to watch. Clearly ESPN feels the same way. Remember just a few years ago we could turn on the TV and watch in high def??? Now it's streaming over the laptop at best.


23 on UNC wasn't even trying to hide it. Running around completely out of control
Nobody watches and nobody cares except family, friends and the next group of parents trying to get their kids recruited. I'm not a fan of the thug ball label but the inconsistency of calls, the lack of charges and no progressive foul system makes the game too choppy and almost unwatchable unless your daughter is playing. And when helmets are mandated, just look towards coaches like Mr. Spallina because his successful foul orientated type of play will be the cause of them.

Think back to hockey when the Devils destroyed the game with the neutral zone trap. Hockey took out the 2 line pass to correct. Well if you are going to hack 60 times a game, others will copy helmets will come and hopefully a progressive foul system will follow

Sad
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB, UNC both victims of the new shot clock rule, last year both of those games would have been won easily via the stall


UNC had 5 Yellow Cards. #23 got two and finished her Senior campaign on the bench watching her team lose to a Navy. No one seems upset with Tar Heels ?!!!


Low character edition of Carolina this year. 23 is a bulked up borderline thug that throws her body around and a great example of how the game has changed and is a lot less fun to watch. Clearly ESPN feels the same way. Remember just a few years ago we could turn on the TV and watch in high def??? Now it's streaming over the laptop at best.



You really are a moron .You are the type of person that calls any female athlete who plays the game hard a "thug" or a female athlete who is not built like a ballerina "bulked up". My guess is your wife has probably kicked your butt a few times so you just hate all women in general. ESPN has had that player in their top 10 plays a few times so your theory is about as smart as you are .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB, UNC both victims of the new shot clock rule, last year both of those games would have been won easily via the stall


UNC had 5 Yellow Cards. #23 got two and finished her Senior campaign on the bench watching her team lose to a Navy. No one seems upset with Tar Heels ?!!!


Low character edition of Carolina this year. 23 is a bulked up borderline thug that throws her body around and a great example of how the game has changed and is a lot less fun to watch. Clearly ESPN feels the same way. Remember just a few years ago we could turn on the TV and watch in high def??? Now it's streaming over the laptop at best.



You really are a moron .You are the type of person that calls any female athlete who plays the game hard a "thug" or a female athlete who is not built like a ballerina "bulked up". My guess is your wife has probably kicked your butt a few times so you just hate all women in general. ESPN has had that player in their top 10 plays a few times so your theory is about as smart as you are .



Whether she's "bulked up"or not is not the point. The point is that she played out of control on Saturday and was a danger to the other players. Maybe it was how the coach wanted her to play that day, to get Navy off their game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody watches and nobody cares except family, friends and the next group of parents trying to get their kids recruited. I'm not a fan of the thug ball label but the inconsistency of calls, the lack of charges and no progressive foul system makes the game too choppy and almost unwatchable unless your daughter is playing. And when helmets are mandated, just look towards coaches like Mr. Spallina because his successful foul orientated type of play will be the cause of them.

Think back to hockey when the Devils destroyed the game with the neutral zone trap. Hockey took out the 2 line pass to correct. Well if you are going to hack 60 times a game, others will copy helmets will come and hopefully a progressive foul system will follow

Sad


it is sad. the game is going backwards and it doesn't have to be that way. just call your rule book.

thug ball.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB, UNC both victims of the new shot clock rule, last year both of those games would have been won easily via the stall


UNC had 5 Yellow Cards. #23 got two and finished her Senior campaign on the bench watching her team lose to a Navy. No one seems upset with Tar Heels ?!!!


Low character edition of Carolina this year. 23 is a bulked up borderline thug that throws her body around and a great example of how the game has changed and is a lot less fun to watch. Clearly ESPN feels the same way. Remember just a few years ago we could turn on the TV and watch in high def??? Now it's streaming over the laptop at best.



You really are a moron .You are the type of person that calls any female athlete who plays the game hard a "thug" or a female athlete who is not built like a ballerina "bulked up". My guess is your wife has probably kicked your butt a few times so you just hate all women in general. ESPN has had that player in their top 10 plays a few times so your theory is about as smart as you are .



Whether she's "bulked up"or not is not the point. The point is that she played out of control on Saturday and was a danger to the other players. Maybe it was how the coach wanted her to play that day, to get Navy off their game.


if she was dumb enough to think she could rattle the Women of a service academy then she got what she deserved. great to see a liberal haven get toasted by the future leaders of our country. Go Navy!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB, UNC both victims of the new shot clock rule, last year both of those games would have been won easily via the stall


UNC had 5 Yellow Cards. #23 got two and finished her Senior campaign on the bench watching her team lose to a Navy. No one seems upset with Tar Heels ?!!!


Low character edition of Carolina this year. 23 is a bulked up borderline thug that throws her body around and a great example of how the game has changed and is a lot less fun to watch. Clearly ESPN feels the same way. Remember just a few years ago we could turn on the TV and watch in high def??? Now it's streaming over the laptop at best.


23 on UNC wasn't even trying to hide it. Running around completely out of control


a meathead basically. if it was the guys game it would be like ' the guy is on roids or something.. calm down and play the game..'
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB, UNC both victims of the new shot clock rule, last year both of those games would have been won easily via the stall


UNC had 5 Yellow Cards. #23 got two and finished her Senior campaign on the bench watching her team lose to a Navy. No one seems upset with Tar Heels ?!!!


Low character edition of Carolina this year. 23 is a bulked up borderline thug that throws her body around and a great example of how the game has changed and is a lot less fun to watch. Clearly ESPN feels the same way. Remember just a few years ago we could turn on the TV and watch in high def??? Now it's streaming over the laptop at best.



You really are a moron .You are the type of person that calls any female athlete who plays the game hard a "thug" or a female athlete who is not built like a ballerina "bulked up". My guess is your wife has probably kicked your butt a few times so you just hate all women in general. ESPN has had that player in their top 10 plays a few times so your theory is about as smart as you are .



Whether she's "bulked up"or not is not the point. The point is that she played out of control on Saturday and was a danger to the other players. Maybe it was how the coach wanted her to play that day, to get Navy off their game.


Then why say in the original post that she is "bulked up". Does that kid play with a certain reckless abandon, yes, out of control ,no. Two yellow cards, one for a dangerous follow thru the other questionable as the check she went for did not make any contact and did not swing her stick but was across the body of the other layer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody watches and nobody cares except family, friends and the next group of parents trying to get their kids recruited. I'm not a fan of the thug ball label but the inconsistency of calls, the lack of charges and no progressive foul system makes the game too choppy and almost unwatchable unless your daughter is playing. And when helmets are mandated, just look towards coaches like Mr. Spallina because his successful foul orientated type of play will be the cause of them.

Think back to hockey when the Devils destroyed the game with the neutral zone trap. Hockey took out the 2 line pass to correct. Well if you are going to hack 60 times a game, others will copy helmets will come and hopefully a progressive foul system will follow

Sad


QUARTERFINAL ATTENDANCE
UNC vs NAVY 461
MD vs SB 1021
Terrible numbers
Some of the most ignorant comments that I have heard.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB, UNC both victims of the new shot clock rule, last year both of those games would have been won easily via the stall


UNC had 5 Yellow Cards. #23 got two and finished her Senior campaign on the bench watching her team lose to a Navy. No one seems upset with Tar Heels ?!!!


Low character edition of Carolina this year. 23 is a bulked up borderline thug that throws her body around and a great example of how the game has changed and is a lot less fun to watch. Clearly ESPN feels the same way. Remember just a few years ago we could turn on the TV and watch in high def??? Now it's streaming over the laptop at best.


23 on UNC wasn't even trying to hide it. Running around completely out of control


a meathead basically. if it was the guys game it would be like ' the guy is on roids or something.. calm down and play the game..'


The only meathead is in your mouth. You really are ignorant. Yes UNC had 5 yellow cards , Navy had 3 . Navy ended with 1 more total fouls than UNC so to say UNC were playing like goons just shows how moronic you are.
I believe helmets and a progressive foul system will come to the sport together. I think the progressive foul system would be good for the game.
Originally Posted by baldbear
I believe helmets and a progressive foul system will come to the sport together. I think the progressive foul system would be good for the game.


I disagree. The progressive foul system will be a way to further control the game in an effort to avoid helmets.
I haven't watched the others yet, but Stony Brook lost because they couldn't win a draw...
Stony brook lost because js got out coached! He tried to play the clock game with to much time left. As a result of not being aggressive enough on offense and taking poor shots with no time left on the shot clock. Maryland scored and never looked back winning all the draw controls at the end of the game. Stony brook had the game js blew it!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony brook lost because js got out coached! He tried to play the clock game with to much time left. As a result of not being aggressive enough on offense and taking poor shots with no time left on the shot clock. Maryland scored and never looked back winning all the draw controls at the end of the game. Stony brook had the game js blew it!


Not a SB guy, but id SB was shooting with 80 sec on the clock and lost, people would be saying he should have played the clock game. Monday morning quarterbacks. With that said, his def was pretty damn good all year, nobody would have thought they would give up 3 goals in 1:46. Just admit you hate the guy and move on.
OFFICAL STAT LINE:

DRAW CONTROLS BY PRD 1 2 Total
Stony Brook 3 4 7
Maryland 10 9 19

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony brook lost because js got out coached! He tried to play the clock game with to much time left. As a result of not being aggressive enough on offense and taking poor shots with no time left on the shot clock. Maryland scored and never looked back winning all the draw controls at the end of the game. Stony brook had the game js blew it!


Not a SB guy, but id SB was shooting with 80 sec on the clock and lost, people would be saying he should have played the clock game. Monday morning quarterbacks. With that said, his def was pretty damn good all year, nobody would have thought they would give up 3 goals in 1:46. Just admit you hate the guy and move on.


There is a fine line between milking the clock and losing your edge on offense. I think taking shots with 80 seconds on the clock would have been pretty foolish. In my opinion, they lost the game because they just did not win the last few draw controls. If they had won even one of those last 4/5, then they could have pulled it out. JS tried three different players on the draw at the end of the game and all three came up empty.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony brook lost because js got out coached! He tried to play the clock game with to much time left. As a result of not being aggressive enough on offense and taking poor shots with no time left on the shot clock. Maryland scored and never looked back winning all the draw controls at the end of the game. Stony brook had the game js blew it!


Not a SB guy, but id SB was shooting with 80 sec on the clock and lost, people would be saying he should have played the clock game. Monday morning quarterbacks. With that said, his def was pretty damn good all year, nobody would have thought they would give up 3 goals in 1:46. Just admit you hate the guy and move on.


I actually like Spallina but in the end who did they really beat this season, their greatest accomplishment was a close loss to Maryland .They really need to play as difficult a schedule out of conference as they can if they want respect.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony brook lost because js got out coached! He tried to play the clock game with to much time left. As a result of not being aggressive enough on offense and taking poor shots with no time left on the shot clock. Maryland scored and never looked back winning all the draw controls at the end of the game. Stony brook had the game js blew it!


Not a SB guy, but id SB was shooting with 80 sec on the clock and lost, people would be saying he should have played the clock game. Monday morning quarterbacks. With that said, his def was pretty damn good all year, nobody would have thought they would give up 3 goals in 1:46. Just admit you hate the guy and move on.


I actually like Spallina but in the end who did they really beat this season, their greatest accomplishment was a close loss to Maryland .They really need to play as difficult a schedule out of conference as they can if they want respect.

I guess NW, USC, Colorado and Towson don't garner respect. Like the other poster said, just admit you hate JS and move on, because you sound stupid.
They took the #1 to a one goal game. Who would have thought SB would be in this position a few years ago? At the end of the day, MD had better talent, and won the draws. There was only the one time they ran the clock to 7 sec before taking a bad shot, and was originally awarded a new clock before MD sideline manhandled the refs and they reversed it. Can't beat MD and the refs.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony brook lost because js got out coached! He tried to play the clock game with to much time left. As a result of not being aggressive enough on offense and taking poor shots with no time left on the shot clock. Maryland scored and never looked back winning all the draw controls at the end of the game. Stony brook had the game js blew it!


Not a SB guy, but id SB was shooting with 80 sec on the clock and lost, people would be saying he should have played the clock game. Monday morning quarterbacks. With that said, his def was pretty damn good all year, nobody would have thought they would give up 3 goals in 1:46. Just admit you hate the guy and move on.


I actually like Spallina but in the end who did they really beat this season, their greatest accomplishment was a close loss to Maryland .They really need to play as difficult a schedule out of conference as they can if they want respect.


SB Non-League Games: Towson, Bryant, Marist, Northwestern, Yale, Florida, Jacksonville, USC, Colorado, Johns Hopkins, Hofstra. (Only loss was to Florida.) A couple of these opponents should be dropped for teams like Penn State, Princeton, Syracuse, Cornell, if possible.
Not sure why we are still talking about this and not the weekend games but SB lost ton of draws and never had ball the final 5 plus minutes. Last possession they had they were up two goals. So rushing a shot up two goals and a lead under 10 minutes left would not be smart. As a Maryland supporter (daughter) I did not expect SB to be as good and dsiciplined as they were I can say this without hesitation they are by far the best team we have seen all season. Our draws won the game. So hats off to SB on a great year. Now about this weekend the matchup with Penn State Should be a doozy Penn State goalie is phenomenal and penn state athleticism is impressive. Hoping the major scare this past weekend gets our kids on track 15-12 Maryland
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Not sure why we are still talking about this and not the weekend games but SB lost ton of draws and never had ball the final 5 plus minutes. Last possession they had they were up two goals. So rushing a shot up two goals and a lead under 10 minutes left would not be smart. As a Maryland supporter (daughter) I did not expect SB to be as good and dsiciplined as they were I can say this without hesitation they are by far the best team we have seen all season. Our draws won the game. So hats off to SB on a great year. Now about this weekend the matchup with Penn State Should be a doozy Penn State goalie is phenomenal and penn state athleticism is impressive. Hoping the major scare this past weekend gets our kids on track 15-12 Maryland


Good luck to your daughter! The NCAA tourney is one of the most exciting things a kid (and parents) can experience, enjoy!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony brook lost because js got out coached! He tried to play the clock game with to much time left. As a result of not being aggressive enough on offense and taking poor shots with no time left on the shot clock. Maryland scored and never looked back winning all the draw controls at the end of the game. Stony brook had the game js blew it!


Not a SB guy, but id SB was shooting with 80 sec on the clock and lost, people would be saying he should have played the clock game. Monday morning quarterbacks. With that said, his def was pretty damn good all year, nobody would have thought they would give up 3 goals in 1:46. Just admit you hate the guy and move on.


I actually like Spallina but in the end who did they really beat this season, their greatest accomplishment was a close loss to Maryland .They really need to play as difficult a schedule out of conference as they can if they want respect.

I guess NW, USC, Colorado and Towson don't garner respect. Like the other poster said, just admit you hate JS and move on, because you sound stupid.
They took the #1 to a one goal game. Who would have thought SB would be in this position a few years ago? At the end of the day, MD had better talent, and won the draws. There was only the one time they ran the clock to 7 sec before taking a bad shot, and was originally awarded a new clock before MD sideline manhandled the refs and they reversed it. Can't beat MD and the refs.


NW was 5oo this year(about where SB would have been playing the same schedule), Colorado really?, USC is the west coast Stony Brook as they play weak competition, Towson lost to Elon,High point, Hofstra,JMU second half of the season. Sorry just not very impressive and thanks for repeating what I posted their greatest accomplishment was losing to Maryland. Now you should just admit you have a little man crush on JS , its time to take his poster down and stop blaming the refs for losing to a team that is just better than SB.
you can thank spallina for helmets and a progressive foul system. he is gaming the game and is hurting the next generation of the sport in the process

not a very good legacy
So sad that nobody and I mean nobody cares about the sport and the tournament. If your kid isn't in it people just don't talk about it or watch it.

Used to be such a great team sport.

When are people going to learn that they need to change the culture of the sport?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So sad that nobody and I mean nobody cares about the sport and the tournament. If your kid isn't in it people just don't talk about it or watch it.

Used to be such a great team sport.

When are people going to learn that they need to change the culture of the sport?


To what? How would you change it? it's boring and slow, freeze tag! Culture change? No Change the whole sport or it will never be more than a Title IX sport.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stony brook lost because js got out coached! He tried to play the clock game with to much time left. As a result of not being aggressive enough on offense and taking poor shots with no time left on the shot clock. Maryland scored and never looked back winning all the draw controls at the end of the game. Stony brook had the game js blew it!


Not a SB guy, but id SB was shooting with 80 sec on the clock and lost, people would be saying he should have played the clock game. Monday morning quarterbacks. With that said, his def was pretty damn good all year, nobody would have thought they would give up 3 goals in 1:46. Just admit you hate the guy and move on.


I actually like Spallina but in the end who did they really beat this season, their greatest accomplishment was a close loss to Maryland .They really need to play as difficult a schedule out of conference as they can if they want respect.

I guess NW, USC, Colorado and Towson don't garner respect. Like the other poster said, just admit you hate JS and move on, because you sound stupid.
They took the #1 to a one goal game. Who would have thought SB would be in this position a few years ago? At the end of the day, MD had better talent, and won the draws. There was only the one time they ran the clock to 7 sec before taking a bad shot, and was originally awarded a new clock before MD sideline manhandled the refs and they reversed it. Can't beat MD and the refs.


NW was 5oo this year(about where SB would have been playing the same schedule), Colorado really?, USC is the west coast Stony Brook as they play weak competition, Towson lost to Elon,High point, Hofstra,JMU second half of the season. Sorry just not very impressive and thanks for repeating what I posted their greatest accomplishment was losing to Maryland. Now you should just admit you have a little man crush on JS , its time to take his poster down and stop blaming the refs for losing to a team that is just better than SB.


1. No man crush on JS, a SB Alum
2. Reread your post and it is pretty unbiased, so I shouldn't have said you sound stupid. Fell into the BOTC trap of being on-line offended.
3. Should have taken loosing to MD by a goal as a complement, because it is
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So sad that nobody and I mean nobody cares about the sport and the tournament. If your kid isn't in it people just don't talk about it or watch it.

Used to be such a great team sport.

When are people going to learn that they need to change the culture of the sport?


To what? How would you change it? it's boring and slow, freeze tag! Culture change? No Change the whole sport or it will never be more than a Title IX sport.


maybe we are on the right path-
no more recruiting of little kids is a great first step
That should keep parents a little more grounded for a few years
they should move to small 7v7 at the younger ages to force kids to touch the ball and keep them involved
They should cap the amount of goals an individual can score in PAL to force distribution
They should increase the amount of passes needed before you can score when little
US Lacrosse should grow a set and take the power back from the thieving club directors
they should move to a progressive fouls system to get goons out of the game
Some rules should be relaxed to keep the flow of the game

Something has to be done the sport is selfish and unwatchable
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So sad that nobody and I mean nobody cares about the sport and the tournament. If your kid isn't in it people just don't talk about it or watch it.

Used to be such a great team sport.

When are people going to learn that they need to change the culture of the sport?


To what? How would you change it? it's boring and slow, freeze tag! Culture change? No Change the whole sport or it will never be more than a Title IX sport.


maybe we are on the right path-
no more recruiting of little kids is a great first step
That should keep parents a little more grounded for a few years
they should move to small 7v7 at the younger ages to force kids to touch the ball and keep them involved
They should cap the amount of goals an individual can score in PAL to force distribution
They should increase the amount of passes needed before you can score when little
US Lacrosse should grow a set and take the power back from the thieving club directors
they should move to a progressive fouls system to get goons out of the game
Some rules should be relaxed to keep the flow of the game

Something has to be done the sport is selfish and unwatchable



Stop making so much sense.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So sad that nobody and I mean nobody cares about the sport and the tournament. If your kid isn't in it people just don't talk about it or watch it.

Used to be such a great team sport.

When are people going to learn that they need to change the culture of the sport?


To what? How would you change it? it's boring and slow, freeze tag! Culture change? No Change the whole sport or it will never be more than a Title IX sport.


maybe we are on the right path-
no more recruiting of little kids is a great first step
That should keep parents a little more grounded for a few years
they should move to small 7v7 at the younger ages to force kids to touch the ball and keep them involved
They should cap the amount of goals an individual can score in PAL to force distribution
They should increase the amount of passes needed before you can score when little
US Lacrosse should grow a set and take the power back from the thieving club directors
they should move to a progressive fouls system to get goons out of the game
Some rules should be relaxed to keep the flow of the game

Something has to be done the sport is selfish and unwatchable


If you think that is going to change the game and make it more watchable you have no clue. Not one of those things you wrote will make this sport more TV friendly. Women's Lacrosse is a Title IX bonus baby. Who gives a rat's [lacrosse] if some 4th grader scores fifty goals in a PAL game? Keeping parents grounded is NOT going to make the sport more watchable. Club isn't going to make it more attractive to ESPNU. Try these to fix it:
1) Shot clock
2) No more stoppage of play with penalties, timed penalties like the men's game.
3) Make the field smaller, this will create a quicker more fluid game.

Come on, don't try to make your PAL issues the savior of the sport, it's not.
Right good idea.
So every little girl will only play attack because all the middies and especially the defenders will foul out or maybe the first team to 50 wins .
Make sure they all get trophies.
How about making offsides a foul and call every swing on the ride to start with.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So sad that nobody and I mean nobody cares about the sport and the tournament. If your kid isn't in it people just don't talk about it or watch it.

Used to be such a great team sport.

When are people going to learn that they need to change the culture of the sport?




Ok....so why don't you inform all of us who the national champs are in.....volleyball, crew, gymnastics, track, cross country, hockey ,rugby, soccer etc. I guess you care about all these sports. Oh yea....all these sports have large crowds and TV contracts???? Obviously not... Get over it. College sports are for the players and their families and interested kids/families that play the sport. And if you don't like it.......don't watch.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So sad that nobody and I mean nobody cares about the sport and the tournament. If your kid isn't in it people just don't talk about it or watch it.

Used to be such a great team sport.

When are people going to learn that they need to change the culture of the sport?


To what? How would you change it? it's boring and slow, freeze tag! Culture change? No Change the whole sport or it will never be more than a Title IX sport.


maybe we are on the right path-
no more recruiting of little kids is a great first step
That should keep parents a little more grounded for a few years
they should move to small 7v7 at the younger ages to force kids to touch the ball and keep them involved
They should cap the amount of goals an individual can score in PAL to force distribution
They should increase the amount of passes needed before you can score when little
US Lacrosse should grow a set and take the power back from the thieving club directors
they should move to a progressive fouls system to get goons out of the game
Some rules should be relaxed to keep the flow of the game

Something has to be done the sport is selfish and unwatchable


If you think that is going to change the game and make it more watchable you have no clue. Not one of those things you wrote will make this sport more TV friendly. Women's Lacrosse is a Title IX bonus baby. Who gives a rat's [lacrosse] if some 4th grader scores fifty goals in a PAL game? Keeping parents grounded is NOT going to make the sport more watchable. Club isn't going to make it more attractive to ESPNU. Try these to fix it:
1) Shot clock
2) No more stoppage of play with penalties, timed penalties like the men's game.
3) Make the field smaller, this will create a quicker more fluid game.

Come on, don't try to make your PAL issues the savior of the sport, it's not.
You want the woman to play the mens game, go visit your glory years in the bars with your old teammates and stop trying to force the mens game on the woman because you're pissed you didn't have a boy.At to your points.
1) I agree
2) stoppage of play is sometime necessary, What they should adapt from the mens game is everyone can move on the stoppage and play resumes with the refs whistle, the dropping your stick and 4 meters sucks, everyone cheats anyway.
3) smaller field would further muck up the game.

Womans lax needs progressive foul system just like Basket ball, Individual and team fouls
Individual fouls should be pushing, tripping, checking acrosse the body, cross check charging, blocking, and any stick to head contact, dangerous shot, illegal stick. after 5 you sit

team fouls should be off sides, 3 seconds, obstruction of shooting space, crease violation. after 5 free position shot.
obstruction should become a held flag if goal is scored it counts.

only the 3 middies can be between restraining line during draw until the ball crosses either restraining line due to natural play of the game, violation is off sides.

refs need to be held accountable for bad calls, they are a major part of the bad games.

As it stand now refs will not pull a red card because they don't want to be responsible for ejecting a player, if the NCAA moves to a progressive foul system this mentality will follow, the refs will not be so quick to blow the whistle for every little foul. The players will also be a little more restrained because they will not want to foul out. Coaching will have to become better because you will not be able to foul as a game plan (see J.S.). and will need to develop better strategy when players get into foul trouble (some bench players might see the field more) . 56 fouls in a game with no repercussions is bad for any sport

It's not about the size of the field or amount of players, it's overly subjective rules being called differently by refs not only game to game , but half to half. Obstruction needs to be redefined and clarified.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So sad that nobody and I mean nobody cares about the sport and the tournament. If your kid isn't in it people just don't talk about it or watch it.

Used to be such a great team sport.

When are people going to learn that they need to change the culture of the sport?


To what? How would you change it? it's boring and slow, freeze tag! Culture change? No Change the whole sport or it will never be more than a Title IX sport.


maybe we are on the right path-
no more recruiting of little kids is a great first step
That should keep parents a little more grounded for a few years
they should move to small 7v7 at the younger ages to force kids to touch the ball and keep them involved
They should cap the amount of goals an individual can score in PAL to force distribution
They should increase the amount of passes needed before you can score when little
US Lacrosse should grow a set and take the power back from the thieving club directors
they should move to a progressive fouls system to get goons out of the game
Some rules should be relaxed to keep the flow of the game

Something has to be done the sport is selfish and unwatchable


If you think that is going to change the game and make it more watchable you have no clue. Not one of those things you wrote will make this sport more TV friendly. Women's Lacrosse is a Title IX bonus baby. Who gives a rat's [lacrosse] if some 4th grader scores fifty goals in a PAL game? Keeping parents grounded is NOT going to make the sport more watchable. Club isn't going to make it more attractive to ESPNU. Try these to fix it:
1) Shot clock
2) No more stoppage of play with penalties, timed penalties like the men's game.
3) Make the field smaller, this will create a quicker more fluid game.

Come on, don't try to make your PAL issues the savior of the sport, it's not.
You want the woman to play the mens game, go visit your glory years in the bars with your old teammates and stop trying to force the mens game on the woman because you're pissed you didn't have a boy.At to your points.
1) I agree
2) stoppage of play is sometime necessary, What they should adapt from the mens game is everyone can move on the stoppage and play resumes with the refs whistle, the dropping your stick and 4 meters sucks, everyone cheats anyway.
3) smaller field would further muck up the game.

Womans lax needs progressive foul system just like Basket ball, Individual and team fouls
Individual fouls should be pushing, tripping, checking acrosse the body, cross check charging, blocking, and any stick to head contact, dangerous shot, illegal stick. after 5 you sit

team fouls should be off sides, 3 seconds, obstruction of shooting space, crease violation. after 5 free position shot.
obstruction should become a held flag if goal is scored it counts.

only the 3 middies can be between restraining line during draw until the ball crosses either restraining line due to natural play of the game, violation is off sides.

refs need to be held accountable for bad calls, they are a major part of the bad games.

As it stand now refs will not pull a red card because they don't want to be responsible for ejecting a player, if the NCAA moves to a progressive foul system this mentality will follow, the refs will not be so quick to blow the whistle for every little foul. The players will also be a little more restrained because they will not want to foul out. Coaching will have to become better because you will not be able to foul as a game plan (see J.S.). and will need to develop better strategy when players get into foul trouble (some bench players might see the field more) . 56 fouls in a game with no repercussions is bad for any sport

It's not about the size of the field or amount of players, it's overly subjective rules being called differently by refs not only game to game , but half to half. Obstruction needs to be redefined and clarified.

I have a son and a daughter who both play you jackass. My point is was to the poster with his whining about PAL changes being a way to fix the sport. Frankly I don't care, I'll watch each kid and pat them on the back when it's over. You can kiss my [lacrosse] you [lacrosse]
I still think they are losing the next generation of kids. Sport has turned into the haves and the have nots. If you aren't playing travel by 2nd grade you are treated like you have the plague. That is driving kids and numbers down
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So sad that nobody and I mean nobody cares about the sport and the tournament. If your kid isn't in it people just don't talk about it or watch it.

Used to be such a great team sport.

When are people going to learn that they need to change the culture of the sport?



To what? How would you change it? it's boring and slow, freeze tag! Culture change? No Change the whole sport or it will never be more than a Title IX sport.


maybe we are on the right path-
no more recruiting of little kids is a great first step
That should keep parents a little more grounded for a few years
they should move to small 7v7 at the younger ages to force kids to touch the ball and keep them involved
They should cap the amount of goals an individual can score in PAL to force distribution
They should increase the amount of passes needed before you can score when little
US Lacrosse should grow a set and take the power back from the thieving club directors
they should move to a progressive fouls system to get goons out of the game
Some rules should be relaxed to keep the flow of the game

Something has to be done the sport is selfish and unwatchable


If you think that is going to change the game and make it more watchable you have no clue. Not one of those things you wrote will make this sport more TV friendly. Women's Lacrosse is a Title IX bonus baby. Who gives a rat's [lacrosse] if some 4th grader scores fifty goals in a PAL game? Keeping parents grounded is NOT going to make the sport more watchable. Club isn't going to make it more attractive to ESPNU. Try these to fix it:
1) Shot clock
2) No more stoppage of play with penalties, timed penalties like the men's game.
3) Make the field smaller, this will create a quicker more fluid game.

Come on, don't try to make your PAL issues the savior of the sport, it's not.
You want the woman to play the mens game, go visit your glory years in the bars with your old teammates and stop trying to force the mens game on the woman because you're pissed you didn't have a boy.At to your points.
1) I agree
2) stoppage of play is sometime necessary, What they should adapt from the mens game is everyone can move on the stoppage and play resumes with the refs whistle, the dropping your stick and 4 meters sucks, everyone cheats anyway.
3) smaller field would further muck up the game.

Womans lax needs progressive foul system just like Basket ball, Individual and team fouls
Individual fouls should be pushing, tripping, checking acrosse the body, cross check charging, blocking, and any stick to head contact, dangerous shot, illegal stick. after 5 you sit

team fouls should be off sides, 3 seconds, obstruction of shooting space, crease violation. after 5 free position shot.
obstruction should become a held flag if goal is scored it counts.

only the 3 middies can be between restraining line during draw until the ball crosses either restraining line due to natural play of the game, violation is off sides.

refs need to be held accountable for bad calls, they are a major part of the bad games.

As it stand now refs will not pull a red card because they don't want to be responsible for ejecting a player, if the NCAA moves to a progressive foul system this mentality will follow, the refs will not be so quick to blow the whistle for every little foul. The players will also be a little more restrained because they will not want to foul out. Coaching will have to become better because you will not be able to foul as a game plan (see J.S.). and will need to develop better strategy when players get into foul trouble (some bench players might see the field more) . 56 fouls in a game with no repercussions is bad for any sport

It's not about the size of the field or amount of players, it's overly subjective rules being called differently by refs not only game to game , but half to half. Obstruction needs to be redefined and clarified.

I have a son and a daughter who both play you jackass. My point is was to the poster with his whining about PAL changes being a way to fix the sport. Frankly I don't care, I'll watch each kid and pat them on the back when it's over. You can kiss my [lacrosse] you [lacrosse]


I hear your wife is a [lacrosse] .i figure if we are going to have over reactions and act like imbiciles I will join in .
the object is to keep more involved for a longer period of time and not tell a 3rd grader they will never touch the ball because they aren't playing YJ's all summer (so yes it starts at PAL). More people playing is a way to grow interest. More people scoring is a way to grow interest. Its not just about the recruited kids. I never played football or baseball or basketball but I watch. Why does woman's lacrosse turn off so many people unless your kid is playing? because its a selfish game. Kid's don't like hearing or playing in a system that says get the ball to Shannon and get out of the way. Just my 2 cents
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I still think they are losing the next generation of kids. Sport has turned into the haves and the have nots. If you aren't playing travel by 2nd grade you are treated like you have the plague. That is driving kids and numbers down


Wake up......every sport is now like that. If your not swimming, playing basketball, soccer, crew, lacrosse, etc with an AAU/club team your falling behind kids that are doing it full time. Why do you think every sport now has trainers and full year teams/opportunities for kids. Do you really think changing some rules in PAL is gonna change the game/players etc. Virtually every sport now is year round. Fair????? maybe not but that's reality
Have a Happy Memorial Day to all of you ....think of all of the heroes who gave it all so folks like you can act like taints on this site ...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have a Happy Memorial Day to all of you ....think of all of the heroes who gave it all so folks like you can act like taints on this site ...


And call people names and decide how people should act on this site.
No--you decide..they just gave you THAT privilege...
Make the conversation about Women's College Lacrosse, not your kids crappy PAL league.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have a Happy Memorial Day to all of you ....think of all of the heroes who gave it all so folks like you can act like taints on this site ...


"Taints" Haven't heard that one in a while, made me chuckle - Thanks.

Bad enough I had to watch BC turn into a bunch of Italian league soccer players in the 2nd half, but NAVY was outright cheated at the end of the game on the play where a girl dropped a pass, NAVY ran over and picked it up and then they give it to BC. BS phantoms call, can't wait for this explanation.
Again the refs decided the final of the BC/Navy game. Navy had possession, refs turn it right over to BC. I can't stand watching women's lacrosse. If one more BC girl faked and flopped uggghhhh.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No--you decide..they just gave you THAT privilege...


And look at the high road you've chosen. Loser
I have no horse in the race, so I'm totally unbiased. With that said, the navy player off the ball obstructed the BC player and that was the foul. Clear and simple. Go back and watch the play.
I wanted Navy to win , But the refs didn't decide the game. Navy had a 3 goal lead at the half and let BC score 6 straight to start the 2nd half, thats what lost the game for Navy. Though I will say that was t terrible call on the ref and what I mean by refs should be held accountable, she should not be allowed to ref another game of this magnitude. They need to go to a point system where the refs get rated, something needs to be done
When the ball is on the ground a player is allowed to block/obstruct an opposing player from getting to the ball with the body, it's called boxing out and completely legal, the ref was wrong and a bad call.
Watching the D3 semi-finals which is being streamed on NCAA website. Washington & Lee vs College of NJ (formerly Trenton State, the host and runner-up of the first D1 championship). Simply awful. If ever was a need for a shot clock (which D3 gets next year) this is it. It's like watching paint dry. I've watched enough D3 this year to identify teams that will do well with the shot clock. It's not these two teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When the ball is on the ground a player is allowed to block/obstruct an opposing player from getting to the ball with the body, it's called boxing out and completely legal, the ref was wrong and a bad call.


Here's the rule, in its entirety:

q. Detaining: Detaining an opponent at any time by holding or pushing against her body, clothing or crosse with an arm, leg, body or crosse. A player may not hold her crosse in such a manner as to restrain or hold back a player.


You have the wrong sport for "boxing out". That's basketball.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When the ball is on the ground a player is allowed to block/obstruct an opposing player from getting to the ball with the body, it's called boxing out and completely legal, the ref was wrong and a bad call.


Here's the rule, in its entirety:

q. Detaining: Detaining an opponent at any time by holding or pushing against her body, clothing or crosse with an arm, leg, body or crosse. A player may not hold her crosse in such a manner as to restrain or hold back a player.


You have the wrong sport for "boxing out". That's basketball.


Wanted to see Navy win, but the correct call was made. The girl who was "boxing out" as you said was making no play for the ball. Tough way to lose.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When the ball is on the ground a player is allowed to block/obstruct an opposing player from getting to the ball with the body, it's called boxing out and completely legal, the ref was wrong and a bad call.


Here's the rule, in its entirety:

q. Detaining: Detaining an opponent at any time by holding or pushing against her body, clothing or crosse with an arm, leg, body or crosse. A player may not hold her crosse in such a manner as to restrain or hold back a player.


You have the wrong sport for "boxing out". That's basketball.


I didn't see the play in question, but there is a difference between "pushing against her body" and just getting in the way. I'm sure you've seen a ball rolling out of bounds and a girl from the team who will get possession blocking a girl from the team it is going out on from getting it. Was there a foul called then? "Boxing out" is allowed if you don't initiate the contact and "push back."

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When the ball is on the ground a player is allowed to block/obstruct an opposing player from getting to the ball with the body, it's called boxing out and completely legal, the ref was wrong and a bad call.


Here's the rule, in its entirety:

q. Detaining: Detaining an opponent at any time by holding or pushing against her body, clothing or crosse with an arm, leg, body or crosse. A player may not hold her crosse in such a manner as to restrain or hold back a player.


You have the wrong sport for "boxing out". That's basketball.


I didn't see the play in question, but there is a difference between "pushing against her body" and just getting in the way. I'm sure you've seen a ball rolling out of bounds and a girl from the team who will get possession blocking a girl from the team it is going out on from getting it. Was there a foul called then? "Boxing out" is allowed if you don't initiate the contact and "push back."



I understand your situation and they (officials) have let that go but could call it if they wanted to. The Navy player was off the ball when she interfered with the BC player. It was the correct call.
The correct call was made in the BC Navy game. This is as bad as sitting on the sideline with all the screaming idiots who don't know the rules.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The correct call was made in the BC Navy game. This is as bad as sitting on the sideline with all the screaming idiots who don't know the rules.


Outside of parent bad language is ignorance of the rules.
A very entertaining game at Gillette today. Congratulations to Maryland and Boston College. Maryland 5-0 run to open second half was the difference but Boston College did not give up. Kent for BC is a monster of a player with lacrosse her "part time" sport as long as her hockey squads are successful. What a player with a great story.

Maryland has so much talent. Doesn't seem fair but they keep winning they will keep recruiting!

The women game needs all divisions playing the Final Fours in the same location, like the men. There is enough time to play all the games (men and women) at the same location. It would be great for the game. D2 in Bloomsburg PA and D3 in Salem VA is a travesty.
Originally Posted by baldbear
A very entertaining game at Gillette today. Congratulations to Maryland and Boston College. Maryland 5-0 run to open second half was the difference but Boston College did not give up. Kent for BC is a monster of a player with lacrosse her "part time" sport as long as her hockey squads are successful. What a player with a great story.

Maryland has so much talent. Doesn't seem fair but they keep winning they will keep recruiting!

The women game needs all divisions playing the Final Fours in the same location, like the men. There is enough time to play all the games (men and women) at the same location. It would be great for the game. D2 in Bloomsburg PA and D3 in Salem VA is a travesty.


All finals in the same location would be great.

Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When the ball is on the ground a player is allowed to block/obstruct an opposing player from getting to the ball with the body, it's called boxing out and completely legal, the ref was wrong and a bad call.


Here's the rule, in its entirety:

q. Detaining: Detaining an opponent at any time by holding or pushing against her body, clothing or crosse with an arm, leg, body or crosse. A player may not hold her crosse in such a manner as to restrain or hold back a player.


You have the wrong sport for "boxing out". That's basketball.
The rule states holding and pushing not getting in a players path to the ball, it happens all the time on draws and balls going out of bounds and never gets called. Unless the offending player actually restrained the other player the call should not have happened and that was the case, the Navy player got in the BC players way that is not detaining, she did not push os hold the player back with her stick.

How about the terrible call today with MD, player drops the ball and falls to the floor with absolutely no contact at all, turns the ball over but is rewarded the ball anyway, complete momentum shift to MD on a bad call. If there was a turning point , that was it, and attributed to a bad ref call, something needs to be done, add 2 refs, every game has video, let the table ref watch the feed so maybe he can overturn such bad calls that happen every game. It's no longer the rules or the players hurting the game it's the refs and the NCAA for there win-action to correct a gleaming problem.
Why was BC goalie pulled?? Like it was her fault the team had no defense! Give me a break coaches! And why were there only 30 people watching....the bigger question!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When the ball is on the ground a player is allowed to block/obstruct an opposing player from getting to the ball with the body, it's called boxing out and completely legal, the ref was wrong and a bad call.


Here's the rule, in its entirety:

q. Detaining: Detaining an opponent at any time by holding or pushing against her body, clothing or crosse with an arm, leg, body or crosse. A player may not hold her crosse in such a manner as to restrain or hold back a player.


You have the wrong sport for "boxing out". That's basketball.
The rule states holding and pushing not getting in a players path to the ball, it happens all the time on draws and balls going out of bounds and never gets called. Unless the offending player actually restrained the other player the call should not have happened and that was the case, the Navy player got in the BC players way that is not detaining, she did not push os hold the player back with her stick.

How about the terrible call today with MD, player drops the ball and falls to the floor with absolutely no contact at all, turns the ball over but is rewarded the ball anyway, complete momentum shift to MD on a bad call. If there was a turning point , that was it, and attributed to a bad ref call, something needs to be done, add 2 refs, every game has video, let the table ref watch the feed so maybe he can overturn such bad calls that happen every game. It's no longer the rules or the players hurting the game it's the refs and the NCAA for there win-action to correct a gleaming problem.


Karma...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why was BC goalie pulled?? Like it was her fault the team had no defense! Give me a break coaches! And why were there only 30 people watching....the bigger question!



Record attendance today. 11668 people. What game were you watching?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why was BC goalie pulled?? Like it was her fault the team had no defense! Give me a break coaches! And why were there only 30 people watching....the bigger question!



Record attendance today. 11668 people. What game were you watching?


... and goalie was not "pulled' They split every game this season. You're 0 of 2 but keep trying to make trouble where there is none
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why was BC goalie pulled?? Like it was her fault the team had no defense! Give me a break coaches! And why were there only 30 people watching....the bigger question!

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5 goals in 4 minutes, that's why.
J
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why was BC goalie pulled?? Like it was her fault the team had no defense! Give me a break coaches! And why were there only 30 people watching....the bigger question!



Record attendance today. 11668 people. What game were you watching?


... and goalie was not "pulled' They split every game this season. You're 0 of 2 but keep trying to make trouble where there is none


Actually, she was pulled. Second half goalie went in as scheduled, gave up a bunch of quick goals and was pulled - starter went back in. Guess you're 0 for 1.

again bad for the sport with the same team winning another year. Five teams winning over almost 30 years shows lack of big time team depth. Lots of good teams but only a few great ones
I agree they need to add more refs in lacrosse but the bad calls in women's lacrosse is out of control. The refs can cause possession turnovers at will and change the direction of the game. Adding more refs could make it even worse though unless they had specific duties like football has umpires, judges and linesman.
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again bad for the sport with the same team winning another year. Five teams winning over almost 30 years shows lack of big time team depth. Lots of good teams but only a few great ones



So what....I don't get the problem...NBA basketball, NFL football, College mens basketball, college football, have only 2-3 teams that win every year. Nature of sports. The negativity around womens lacrosse, mostly by men, is confounding.
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again bad for the sport with the same team winning another year. Five teams winning over almost 30 years shows lack of big time team depth. Lots of good teams but only a few great ones



So what....I don't get the problem...NBA basketball, NFL football, College mens basketball, college football, have only 2-3 teams that win every year. Nature of sports. The negativity around womens lacrosse, mostly by men, is confounding.


might want to check the stats many more teams in the mix in all those other sports. I hope the delay in recruiting helps level the field
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again bad for the sport with the same team winning another year. Five teams winning over almost 30 years shows lack of big time team depth. Lots of good teams but only a few great ones



So what....I don't get the problem...NBA basketball, NFL football, College mens basketball, college football, have only 2-3 teams that win every year. Nature of sports. The negativity around womens lacrosse, mostly by men, is confounding.


might want to check the stats many more teams in the mix in all those other sports. I hope the delay in recruiting helps level the field


The early recruiting is only a recent problem and the results of it haven't even hit the field yet. This years 2016's freshman were barely early in the recruiting process. Subsequent years, 2017,2018, 2019, and 2020 it got progressively worse. So the effect of early recruiting has nothing to do with Marylands dominance the last 30 years. It will be interesting to see all the hits and misses on these kids. I have already seen a fair number of the earlies flare out before the end of high school. If anything, the crapshoot of early recruits could help level the playing field, because early recruiting is like a box of chocolates.
So.... I'm watching the mens final....Md takes a shot that goes off the crossbar and hits ricochets onto the goal line.... the announcers start chirping about how the MD staff is complaining to the bench ref because they are watching the feed on an I-Pad, and they were able to rewind the play seconds after the shot was taken, why is a single team able to have that tech, but not the NCAA as a whole? Why can't the bench ref have that ability in every game because they all have video feeds today?
the only advantage to delaying early recruiting is so the rest of us don't have to hear the parents of the recruit flapping their pie holes for 4 years on the varsity sideline. Geesh they make it hard to root for their kids
Originally Posted by Anonymous
again bad for the sport with the same team winning another year. Five teams winning over almost 30 years shows lack of big time team depth. Lots of good teams but only a few great ones


Other schools will emerge. It's going to take a little time (less than 10 years IMO).

Not sure what the fascination is with U of Maryland quite honestly as a school.

Perhaps their model that offers the Maryland kids a path to cheap education - at the state tuition price point - allows them to stockpile depth.

That's my only guess..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the only advantage to delaying early recruiting is so the rest of us don't have to hear the parents of the recruit flapping their pie holes for 4 years on the varsity sideline. Geesh they make it hard to root for their kids


There are plenty of parents with committed daughters that don't say a thing to anyone.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the only advantage to delaying early recruiting is so the rest of us don't have to hear the parents of the recruit flapping their pie holes for 4 years on the varsity sideline. Geesh they make it hard to root for their kids


Not all act that way, but you are right, for the ones that do it is annoying. All the sudden mom, dad and every sibling has U State sweatshirts, hats, water bottles. Then all the cars get covered in bumper stickers. The parents want to talk about every game UState plays except no one else watched it or cares, as if the player had anything to contribute anyway. So yes there are some over the top families that are just funny to watch carry on with a commit, some even announcing "offers" and yes, makes it hard to root for these kids. But most handle it in a low key fashion, and you may never know that they even committed except by word of mouth or if you ask them, they are easy to root for.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
again bad for the sport with the same team winning another year. Five teams winning over almost 30 years shows lack of big time team depth. Lots of good teams but only a few great ones


Other schools will emerge. It's going to take a little time (less than 10 years IMO).

Not sure what the fascination is with U of Maryland quite honestly as a school.

Perhaps their model that offers the Maryland kids a path to cheap education - at the state tuition price point - allows them to stockpile depth.

That's my only guess..


Bingo! Roster probably over 80% Maryland kids paying very cheap in state tuition, this is why they will always be at or near the top in lax
JS says KO is the best player in college lacrosse, because she scored 7 points against Hadnagy. And because she has 164 points against awful teams. So Kenzie Kent score 10 points against her and gets 71 points in 12 games playing against way tougher competition. Think that shows that she is one of the best players in the country. Wait until this kid plays a full year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
JS says KO is the best player in college lacrosse, because she scored 7 points against Hadnagy. And because she has 164 points against awful teams. So Kenzie Kent score 10 points against her and gets 71 points in 12 games playing against way tougher competition. Think that shows that she is one of the best players in the country. Wait until this kid plays a full year.


TO is great, but KK blew me away in the final. My god, what a player!
Kenzie Kent will not play a full year but it would be fun to watch if she did. She will play hockey again in her senior year at BC. Hockey is her #1 sport and she hopes to play in the Olympics. Her 71 points in 12 games is remarkable considering she does not pick up a stick all year and then jumps right into the heart of the ACC season. She had 10 point in the championship game against Hadnagy and numerous key ground balls, draw controls and caused turnovers. It was an amazing performance and she deservingly won the MVP award in a losing effort - that says it all. She makes it look easy against the best competition in the country.
Wrong she is probably red shirting next year in either sport.
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Wrong she is probably red shirting next year in either sport.



still wont play a full season in Lacrosse.
Congratulations to all the participants in the 2017 Final Four and National Championship games.
Gillette Stadium and the NCAA did a great job making this event spectacular.
Hopefully a lesson was learned that the Mens and Womens, D1, D2 and D3 games on Championship weekend need to be held together at the same venue. Lacrosse fans are the most passionate, supportive fans in college sports and the attendance proved just that.
Well done Gillette and the City of Boston!
Originally Posted by The Hop
Congratulations to all the participants in the 2017 Final Four and National Championship games.
Gillette Stadium and the NCAA did a great job making this event spectacular.
Hopefully a lesson was learned that the Mens and Womens, D1, D2 and D3 games on Championship weekend need to be held together at the same venue. Lacrosse fans are the most passionate, supportive fans in college sports and the attendance proved just that.
Well done Gillette and the City of Boston!


Did they release attendance numbers? Up with the new venue, or down again?
Woman's final was around 12K
Men's was 28.5K

Originally Posted by The Hop
Congratulations to all the participants in the 2017 Final Four and National Championship games.
Gillette Stadium and the NCAA did a great job making this event spectacular.
Hopefully a lesson was learned that the Mens and Womens, D1, D2 and D3 games on Championship weekend need to be held together at the same venue. Lacrosse fans are the most passionate, supportive fans in college sports and the attendance proved just that.
Well done Gillette and the City of Boston!


Woman's Final 4 is at Stony Brook next year. They are adding seats to LaValle so assume 13,000 capacity or so.
Finals Attendance
2007 19,000
2008 19,000
2009 21,000
2010 26,000
2011 19,000
2012 na
2013 9,000
2014 10,000
2015 8,500
2016 na
2017 11,688
Agree
How is going back to LaValle (Long Island) in the best interest of the women's game after playing at Gillete with the men? The men are playing at Gillette again.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is going back to LaValle (Long Island) in the best interest of the women's game after playing at Gillete with the men? The men are playing at Gillette again.



Women weren't supposed to be playing there. They were supposed to be down in North Carolina. They were pulled out of state because the 5 transgender people in the state still don't have designated bathrooms yet.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is going back to LaValle (Long Island) in the best interest of the women's game after playing at Gillete with the men? The men are playing at Gillette again.



if you need to play solo play at Hofstra or Rutgers so you draw from tri state area and not at the east end of LI. the sport just doesn't want to expand the tent!
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JS says KO is the best player in college lacrosse, because she scored 7 points against Hadnagy. And because she has 164 points against awful teams. So Kenzie Kent score 10 points against her and gets 71 points in 12 games playing against way tougher competition. Think that shows that she is one of the best players in the country. Wait until this kid plays a full year.


Stop being a bitter. KO and Kent are both great players. [lacrosse], Kent is even better than Apuzzo but you can't take 164 points away from anyone in D1, especially one on a ranked team. Now go crawl back in your.
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JS says KO is the best player in college lacrosse, because she scored 7 points against Hadnagy. And because she has 164 points against awful teams. So Kenzie Kent score 10 points against her and gets 71 points in 12 games playing against way tougher competition. Think that shows that she is one of the best players in the country. Wait until this kid plays a full year.


Stop being a bitter. KO and Kent are both great players. [lacrosse], Kent is even better than Apuzzo but you can't take 164 points away from anyone in D1, especially one on a ranked team. Now go crawl back in your.


No one is, it's just Kent is better. Plays long hard season of hockey and then goes and lights up lax season against real teams. She and Apuzzo also get draws,CTs and GBs, KO is one sided. Was KO MVP? No because Kent is amazing.
So the girls game had 29 goals. The boys had 15. Girls had 71 shots and the boys had 66. Ohio st goes over double digit minutes twice without a shot while Maryland gets called for 8 stall warnings and it's the girls game that is considered boring? Watched both games and the girls game was so much better. Shot clock was a huge plus this season
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So the girls game had 29 goals. The boys had 15. Girls had 71 shots and the boys had 66. Ohio st goes over double digit minutes twice without a shot while Maryland gets called for 8 stall warnings and it's the girls game that is considered boring? Watched both games and the girls game was so much better. Shot clock was a huge plus this season


You're insane - girls game, as usual was hard to watch. Refs have way too much influence on the girls game, at times it seems like there's literally a whistle every 10-15 seconds. For the casual fan who thought they were in for a good women's lax game featuring the two best teams in the country they had to be very disappointed at what they saw.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is going back to LaValle (Long Island) in the best interest of the women's game after playing at Gillete with the men? The men are playing at Gillette again.


Agree. All six divisions should be at the same location. LaValle too small for mens draw. Could use Gillette, Lincoln Field in Philly, M & T in Baltimore, Bank of America in Charlotte, etc for all lacrosse divisions. It would great for the sport.
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So the girls game had 29 goals. The boys had 15. Girls had 71 shots and the boys had 66. Ohio st goes over double digit minutes twice without a shot while Maryland gets called for 8 stall warnings and it's the girls game that is considered boring? Watched both games and the girls game was so much better. Shot clock was a huge plus this season


You're insane - girls game, as usual was hard to watch. Refs have way too much influence on the girls game, at times it seems like there's literally a whistle every 10-15 seconds. For the casual fan who thought they were in for a good women's lax game featuring the two best teams in the country they had to be very disappointed at what they saw.


agreed. a million stoppages and time consuming restarts. hardly ever see a good fast break that produces a goal. just hack someone in the midfield and stop the play. so cramped and ugly packed in that small offensive zone. yes the Men's final was nowhere near as exciting as last year, but at certainly a better product to watch..
Most knowledgeable lacrosse people will agree the men's game has gotten far too slow with basically one one one...next....one on one....next etc.

The speed of the game is gone. If you are new to the game or disagree then go on YouTube and watch past finals from 1984 or 1985. Those games were fast and exciting and drew record crowds.

With that said the women's games are more exciting these days than the men's game if you know the rules. I would guess that those commenting on their dislike of the women's game don't know the rules or are limited in the history and knowledge of the womens game. They also play with no pockets in their sticks making their play all the more impressive.

Either way it seems the 90 second possession shot clock that is new this year for the women is coming soon to the men. It is needed no doubt.
Originally Posted by The Hop
Most knowledgeable lacrosse people will agree the men's game has gotten far too slow with basically one one one...next....one on one....next etc.

The speed of the game is gone. If you are new to the game or disagree then go on YouTube and watch past finals from 1984 or 1985. Those games were fast and exciting and drew record crowds.

With that said the women's games are more exciting these days than the men's game if you know the rules. I would guess that those commenting on their dislike of the women's game don't know the rules or are limited in the history and knowledge of the womens game. They also play with no pockets in their sticks making their play all the more impressive.

Either way it seems the 90 second possession shot clock that is new this year for the women is coming soon to the men. It is needed no doubt.


the rules and or interpretation of them and more importantly the exploitation of them are what ruins the womens game - SB 59 fouls in a 60 min game? that wasn't by accident, it was by design! Women should adopt mens rules - only middies involved in the initial draw, nobody else over the restraining line until after possession and let the refs call for 30 second shot clock when needed, the men at least have a chance of getting the ball back when on defense, for the womens it is almost impossible
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JS says KO is the best player in college lacrosse, because she scored 7 points against Hadnagy. And because she has 164 points against awful teams. So Kenzie Kent score 10 points against her and gets 71 points in 12 games playing against way tougher competition. Think that shows that she is one of the best players in the country. Wait until this kid plays a full year.


Stop being a bitter. KO and Kent are both great players. [lacrosse], Kent is even better than Apuzzo but you can't take 164 points away from anyone in D1, especially one on a ranked team. Now go crawl back in your.


No one is, it's just Kent is better. Plays long hard season of hockey and then goes and lights up lax season against real teams. She and Apuzzo also get draws,CTs and GBs, KO is one sided. Was KO MVP? No because Kent is amazing.


One sided...Stop it
NCAA Points record
NCAA Assists record
2nd in the country in goals
340 points in 3 seasons

Nothing one sided about 80+ Assists and 70+ goals.

You obviously don;t know that there is a shot clock now in the women's game. It has been fantastic. Agree that holding at restraining line until possession would be a good change. High school and youth implemented it this year. It will come to college hopefully soon. The quick restarts are improving flow in the midfield. Need to change 3-second call back to an 8-meter so there is a real consequence to packing in the 8-meter. SB does exploit the rule and it is not a good style to watch. Didn't understand that change in the first place.
Starting a team. you get one player to pick, KO or Kent. I choose Kent every day and twice on Sundays. That is NOT a knock on KO. Great attacker. KO is one of the best players in the game. My opinion, Kent is THE best player in the game. And she does more for her team than just score and assist. She is great on the circle and is relentless on the ride. And what is so ridiculously remarkable about her is she steps out of the highest level of women's hockey into the midst of a season of the highest level women's lacrosse and dominates girls who have been playing all year. She put up one of the two greatest finals performances in the history of the women's game while being guarded by a Tewaaraton finalist defender and also made plays all over the midfield. We are talking about to of the very elite. There are arguments to be made on both sides. I come down on Kent's.
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JS says KO is the best player in college lacrosse, because she scored 7 points against Hadnagy. And because she has 164 points against awful teams. So Kenzie Kent score 10 points against her and gets 71 points in 12 games playing against way tougher competition. Think that shows that she is one of the best players in the country. Wait until this kid plays a full year.


Stop being a bitter. KO and Kent are both great players. [lacrosse], Kent is even better than Apuzzo but you can't take 164 points away from anyone in D1, especially one on a ranked team. Now go crawl back in your.


No one is, it's just Kent is better. Plays long hard season of hockey and then goes and lights up lax season against real teams. She and Apuzzo also get draws,CTs and GBs, KO is one sided. Was KO MVP? No because Kent is amazing.


One sided...Stop it
NCAA Points record
NCAA Assists record
2nd in the country in goals
340 points in 3 seasons

Nothing one sided about 80+ Assists and 70+ goals.



I think you just proved his "one sided" argument for him - scoring only.

Originally Posted by The Hop
Most knowledgeable lacrosse people will agree the men's game has gotten far too slow with basically one one one...next....one on one....next etc.

The speed of the game is gone. If you are new to the game or disagree then go on YouTube and watch past finals from 1984 or 1985. Those games were fast and exciting and drew record crowds.

With that said the women's games are more exciting these days than the men's game if you know the rules. I would guess that those commenting on their dislike of the women's game don't know the rules or are limited in the history and knowledge of the womens game. They also play with no pockets in their sticks making their play all the more impressive.

Either way it seems the 90 second possession shot clock that is new this year for the women is coming soon to the men. It is needed no doubt.


My sister played in the wooden stick area with natural boundaries so you can lose the air of superiority on the womens game and it's rules- I have been watching for 35 years... The pocket in their sticks has grown immensely since then and that has helped. But the passing with the now-limited pockets is still far far below that in the men's. The guys draw far bigger crowds- and it's just because their game showcases passing and great shooting, in short better skills. By the way- see any Mikey Powell's or Gary Gaits they should be showcasing better?? No, not at the moment since the Thompson brothers graduated.

The endless fouling, scrums around a ground ball in the women's game make it hard to enjoy. It's by far the majority opinion in these forums, so lose the huge attitude and work for change, the game is good but should be so much better.
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Starting a team. you get one player to pick, KO or Kent. I choose Kent every day and twice on Sundays. That is NOT a knock on KO. Great attacker. KO is one of the best players in the game. My opinion, Kent is THE best player in the game. And she does more for her team than just score and assist. She is great on the circle and is relentless on the ride. And what is so ridiculously remarkable about her is she steps out of the highest level of women's hockey into the midst of a season of the highest level women's lacrosse and dominates girls who have been playing all year. She put up one of the two greatest finals performances in the history of the women's game while being guarded by a Tewaaraton finalist defender and also made plays all over the midfield. We are talking about to of the very elite. There are arguments to be made on both sides. I come down on Kent's.



Great post
take away the points late in the second half against teams that they are killing and the numbers are on par with the other great Div I players...the schedule and stat padding played a role in those great numbers.
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JS says KO is the best player in college lacrosse, because she scored 7 points against Hadnagy. And because she has 164 points against awful teams. So Kenzie Kent score 10 points against her and gets 71 points in 12 games playing against way tougher competition. Think that shows that she is one of the best players in the country. Wait until this kid plays a full year.


Stop being a bitter. KO and Kent are both great players. [lacrosse], Kent is even better than Apuzzo but you can't take 164 points away from anyone in D1, especially one on a ranked team. Now go crawl back in your.


No one is, it's just Kent is better. Plays long hard season of hockey and then goes and lights up lax season against real teams. She and Apuzzo also get draws,CTs and GBs, KO is one sided. Was KO MVP? No because Kent is amazing.


One sided...Stop it
NCAA Points record
NCAA Assists record
2nd in the country in goals
340 points in 3 seasons

Nothing one sided about 80+ Assists and 70+ goals.



I think you just proved his "one sided" argument for him - scoring only.


Actually he was comparing Apuzzo, who gets plenty of DC's and CT's and Kent to KO. Kent is just a scorer like KO. Just not as prolific. Kent had only 3 CT's and averaged only one DC per game..she also averaged more TO's, per game then KO. Her game is scoring. Just the facts here, not opinions

Let's face it people, if you are from Boston you are a Kent fan and if you are from LI you are going with KO, and that is how it should be. End of the day both are incredible players.
Response to this uptight poster....

<""My sister played in the wooden stick area with natural boundaries so you can lose the air of superiority on the womens game and it's rules- I have been watching for 35 years... The pocket in their sticks has grown immensely since then and that has helped. But the passing with the now-limited pockets is still far far below that in the men's. The guys draw far bigger crowds- and it's just because their game showcases passing and great shooting, in short better skills. By the way- see any Mikey Powell's or Gary Gaits they should be showcasing better?? No, not at the moment since the Thompson brothers graduated.

The endless fouling, scrums around a ground ball in the women's game make it hard to enjoy. It's by far the majority opinion in these forums, so lose the huge attitude and work for change, the game is good but should be so much better."">

First of all tough guy/girl. It's not an attitude it's an opinion. Your response clearly shows your combative attitude and since you said you've been watching for 35 years we can assume your not a child although your offense to an opinion leans that way. Your entitled to your opinion but drop the personal attack. You'll lose.
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JS says KO is the best player in college lacrosse, because she scored 7 points against Hadnagy. And because she has 164 points against awful teams. So Kenzie Kent score 10 points against her and gets 71 points in 12 games playing against way tougher competition. Think that shows that she is one of the best players in the country. Wait until this kid plays a full year.


Stop being a bitter. KO and Kent are both great players. [lacrosse], Kent is even better than Apuzzo but you can't take 164 points away from anyone in D1, especially one on a ranked team. Now go crawl back in your.


No one is, it's just Kent is better. Plays long hard season of hockey and then goes and lights up lax season against real teams. She and Apuzzo also get draws,CTs and GBs, KO is one sided. Was KO MVP? No because Kent is amazing.


One sided...Stop it
NCAA Points record
NCAA Assists record
2nd in the country in goals
340 points in 3 seasons

Nothing one sided about 80+ Assists and 70+ goals.



I think you just proved his "one sided" argument for him - scoring only.


Actually he was comparing Apuzzo, who gets plenty of DC's and CT's and Kent to KO. Kent is just a scorer like KO. Just not as prolific. Kent had only 3 CT's and averaged only one DC per game..she also averaged more TO's, per game then KO. Her game is scoring. Just the facts here, not opinions

Let's face it people, if you are from Boston you are a Kent fan and if you are from LI you are going with KO, and that is how it should be. End of the day both are incredible players.


Kind of a moot point, no? Kent is not eligible for the award (neither is Apuzzo anymore) so there shouldn't be a comparison this year. Of the five candidates, KO is tops...
Finalists will be the best five players chosen without regard to institution.
Finalists will be selected based on individual performance and a player’s contribution to the success of their team.
Finalists are chosen based on the current year’s regular-season performance (date of selection is at the conclusion of the regular season, before playoffs).
Recipients are chosen based on the current year’s regular season and playoff performance.
Sportsmanship can play a role in the selection process and it is important that the recipient upholds the mission and values of the Tewaaraton Award.

This is from the Tewaaraton website. I think all finalists are good on the first three points. The Maryland girls get the edge on point four (obviously) and it hurts Ohmiller. I think the fifth point hurts Ohmiller as well. She has allowed the media to portray her as playing with a chip on her shoulder and her post game remarks after the Maryland game didn't help her. Ohmiller had a fantastic year and is really the 1-3 pick but I think it goes to Hadnagy. But I've wrong 50% of the time in the past.......ha ha.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Finalists will be the best five players chosen without regard to institution.
Finalists will be selected based on individual performance and a player’s contribution to the success of their team.
Finalists are chosen based on the current year’s regular-season performance (date of selection is at the conclusion of the regular season, before playoffs).
Recipients are chosen based on the current year’s regular season and playoff performance.
Sportsmanship can play a role in the selection process and it is important that the recipient upholds the mission and values of the Tewaaraton Award.

This is from the Tewaaraton website. I think all finalists are good on the first three points. The Maryland girls get the edge on point four (obviously) and it hurts Ohmiller. I think the fifth point hurts Ohmiller as well. She has allowed the media to portray her as playing with a chip on her shoulder and her post game remarks after the Maryland game didn't help her. Ohmiller had a fantastic year and is really the 1-3 pick but I think it goes to Hadnagy. But I've wrong 50% of the time in the past.......ha ha.


Couple of points. Its lacrosse so there still will be politics. Maryland coaches are better liked than SB and to Baldbears post if they went defense that would be great and a real slap at some who love padding those stats!
I'm rooting for KO.. she lifted her team all season to an eventual #4 ranking and a real chance at upsetting Md. in the NCAA's. setting records along the way..
could her "flashy" style hurt her as a sign of bad sportsmanship.. maybe

Hadnagy gave up 7 points to TO and 10 to Kent,
Stukenberg was absent from the finals - face guarded out of it
Hompe did not shine as bright on the big stage as she may have needed too
Mccool let her team lose to an unranked Navy team.. the best player in the sport doesnt let that happen

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm rooting for KO.. she lifted her team all season to an eventual #4 ranking and a real chance at upsetting Md. in the NCAA's. setting records along the way..
could her "flashy" style hurt her as a sign of bad sportsmanship.. maybe

Hadnagy gave up 7 points to TO and 10 to Kent,
Stukenberg was absent from the finals - face guarded out of it
Hompe did not shine as bright on the big stage as she may have needed too
Mccool let her team lose to an unranked Navy team.. the best player in the sport doesnt let that happen



KO played big in big games but there were only a few of them and the SB antics and poor sportsmanship is not lost on anyone and something don't think the sport wants to glorify like ESPN does. Undefeated is so hard to top.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm rooting for KO.. she lifted her team all season to an eventual #4 ranking and a real chance at upsetting Md. in the NCAA's. setting records along the way..
could her "flashy" style hurt her as a sign of bad sportsmanship.. maybe

Hadnagy gave up 7 points to TO and 10 to Kent,
Stukenberg was absent from the finals - face guarded out of it
Hompe did not shine as bright on the big stage as she may have needed too
Mccool let her team lose to an unranked Navy team.. the best player in the sport doesnt let that happen



I think Stukenberg gets it and deserves it. The fact that she was face guarded in the finals tells you what BC thought of her on the offensive end of the field. KO great season but has had some issues in the past that may have an impact ie the Hopkins game .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm rooting for KO.. she lifted her team all season to an eventual #4 ranking and a real chance at upsetting Md. in the NCAA's. setting records along the way..
could her "flashy" style hurt her as a sign of bad sportsmanship.. maybe

Hadnagy gave up 7 points to TO and 10 to Kent,
Stukenberg was absent from the finals - face guarded out of it
Hompe did not shine as bright on the big stage as she may have needed too
Mccool let her team lose to an unranked Navy team.. the best player in the sport doesnt let that happen



I think Stukenberg gets it and deserves it. The fact that she was face guarded in the finals tells you what BC thought of her on the offensive end of the field. KO great season but has had some issues in the past that may have an impact ie the Hopkins game .

Issues, What issues? Quint and Stanwick-Burch were glowing about her during the game. They couldn't say enough good things about her. You also might wan to read Kinnear's recent IL piece on her. No issues at all

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/artic...ut-much-more-than-breaking-records/49594
If you look at the history of the award no matter what the website says it almost always goes to the National Championship team and the committee prefers two way players. Agree KO may be the most deserving but Stukenberg will win. They never give it to defenders and Hadnagy was lit up by Kent in the finals with a record setting performance - most of which was 1 on 1. BTW Stukenberg will also graduate with a perfect 4.0 gpa while taking pre-med courses.
4.0 Biology
National Champs
Undefeated
3x national champion
SENIOR
Better liked coach
The MD lady wins it over KO and SB
Although the crazy stats are going to be hard to overlook. Lets see if politics play a role in the selection
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm rooting for KO.. she lifted her team all season to an eventual #4 ranking and a real chance at upsetting Md. in the NCAA's. setting records along the way..
could her "flashy" style hurt her as a sign of bad sportsmanship.. maybe

Hadnagy gave up 7 points to TO and 10 to Kent,
Stukenberg was absent from the finals - face guarded out of it
Hompe did not shine as bright on the big stage as she may have needed too
Mccool let her team lose to an unranked Navy team.. the best player in the sport doesnt let that happen



I think Stukenberg gets it and deserves it. The fact that she was face guarded in the finals tells you what BC thought of her on the offensive end of the field. KO great season but has had some issues in the past that may have an impact ie the Hopkins game .

Issues, What issues? Quint and Stanwick-Burch were glowing about her during the game. They couldn't say enough good things about her. You also might wan to read Kinnear's recent IL piece on her. No issues at all

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/artic...ut-much-more-than-breaking-records/49594



That's great but talking about an issue not this year . Let's say she was being faceguarded and got frustrated and did something very unsportsmanlike , incident was caught on film and Hopkins coaches did not take it lightly. Those things have a tendency to follow a player .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
4.0 Biology
National Champs
Undefeated
3x national champion
SENIOR
Better liked coach
The MD lady wins it over KO and SB
Although the crazy stats are going to be hard to overlook. Lets see if politics play a role in the selection


All great points for a team award, but it's an individual award and she broke 2 major records with points and assists. Think Lyle Thompson's season when he won. Also, If you pick against her because her coach is pompas you shouldn't have a vote. Maryland no doubt the #1 team in the nation and I believe their fans and coaches believe SB is #2. Like you said hard to overlook the stats but if you want to help grow the game it should be KO in a landslide.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
4.0 Biology
National Champs
Undefeated
3x national champion
SENIOR
Better liked coach
The MD lady wins it over KO and SB
Although the crazy stats are going to be hard to overlook. Lets see if politics play a role in the selection


All great points for a team award, but it's an individual award and she broke 2 major records with points and assists. Think Lyle Thompson's season when he won. Also, If you pick against her because her coach is pompas you shouldn't have a vote. Maryland no doubt the #1 team in the nation and I believe their fans and coaches believe SB is #2. Like you said hard to overlook the stats but if you want to help grow the game it should be KO in a landslide.


Not only do the the fans and coaches believe SB is #2 in the nation, the national polls have them ranked as #2 ending the year. You don't see that often where a team in the final four displaces a team that played in the finals, but well deserved. And KO will win it, not often do they like to step outside of the team that won the national championship to pick a player, often because many great statistical seasons went to players on non contending teams, but SB was right there, and KO was the main reason.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
4.0 Biology
National Champs
Undefeated
3x national champion
SENIOR
Better liked coach
The MD lady wins it over KO and SB
Although the crazy stats are going to be hard to overlook. Lets see if politics play a role in the selection


All great points for a team award, but it's an individual award and she broke 2 major records with points and assists. Think Lyle Thompson's season when he won. Also, If you pick against her because her coach is pompas you shouldn't have a vote. Maryland no doubt the #1 team in the nation and I believe their fans and coaches believe SB is #2. Like you said hard to overlook the stats but if you want to help grow the game it should be KO in a landslide.


Serious question. And might be different than who should win Tewaaraton this year. Who are you picking to start a team? You get 1.

Stukenberg
Hadnagy
McCool
KO
Hompe
Kent (full season)

For me it's either Stukenberg or Kent. And I lean Kent.
KO....just look what she did for SB. Without her they are a middle of the road team. MD might still have went 22-0 without Stukenberg

Kent is getting a little too much pub here base on a sick champ game. She's not even the best player on her team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
KO....just look what she did for SB. Without her they are a middle of the road team. MD might still have went 22-0 without Stukenberg

Kent is getting a little too much pub here base on a sick champ game. She's not even the best player on her team.


Sorry but the MVP of SB is JS. KO put up big numbers but so did Murphy and it just shows you there level of competition and his system equals the leading scorer in the NCAA. When KO leaves it will be TO and on and on. If you think scoring the most points not factoring in level of competition , coaching style , etc makes you the best so be it . Who of those would I take , McCool , I think she is the best all around . She is probably the best defensively on the list ( watch some of her games I don't think I have seen her ever get beat ), she is very good on the circle and in the circle , has the ability to put up big numbers in offense but plays on a team that had plenty of other shooters and in a system that plays multiple middy lines . Yes her team lost to Navy but it's a team game and SB got spanked by Florida so if that's your argument it has to go to Maryland .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
KO....just look what she did for SB. Without her they are a middle of the road team. MD might still have went 22-0 without Stukenberg

Kent is getting a little too much pub here base on a sick champ game. She's not even the best player on her team.


Ok that disqualifies you. You clearly have no idea what u are talking about. If you think Apuzzo (a great player btw) is better than Kent, you are out to lunch. That is not based on a sick NC game. It is based on years of watching Kent. That was not an isolated game for Kent. That is how she plays all the time.
The bad sound bites, at times some very stupid stat padding, and that LI attitude like her coach might hurt her. Tough to root for when it should be a slam dunk win for her.

This is the same type of stuff we fight on our HS team. You want to cheer for kids like this but it's not easy
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The bad sound bites, at times some very stupid stat padding, and that LI attitude like her coach might hurt her. Tough to root for when it should be a slam dunk win for her.

This is the same type of stuff we fight on our HS team. You want to cheer for kids like this but it's not easy

Where does she get this bad attitude rap from? She is a class act. Signs autographs for kids after games until everyone gets one, visits kids in the hospital, volunteers in the community, team leader, incredible athlete, etc

I get all the JS bashing as he is brash and states his opinion, which more often than not are true but yes, he rubs plenty of people the wrong way. Voters shouldn't hold that against her.
This is a very political award the fact Reese heads the committee should not be lost here . Zoe stukenberg will win and to show how crooked it is she doesn't lead her team in Any statistical category which isn't fair. Many people wonder if a different player should of been chosen from our team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
KO....just look what she did for SB. Without her they are a middle of the road team. MD might still have went 22-0 without Stukenberg

Kent is getting a little too much pub here base on a sick champ game. She's not even the best player on her team.


Ok that disqualifies you. You clearly have no idea what u are talking about. If you think Apuzzo (a great player btw) is better than Kent, you are out to lunch. That is not based on a sick NC game. It is based on years of watching Kent. That was not an isolated game for Kent. That is how she plays all the time.


You are just completely wrong. Kent had a great final 3 games of the season prior to that Apuzzo was essentially their best player in every game including the ACC tournament. I am not a long island homer but Apuzzo contributes more to the team success , Kent while great turns the ball over too much and forces the ball at times, watch the finals she would have had several more turnovers on passes but her teammates bailed her out coming up with the ground balls.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The bad sound bites, at times some very stupid stat padding, and that LI attitude like her coach might hurt her. Tough to root for when it should be a slam dunk win for her.

This is the same type of stuff we fight on our HS team. You want to cheer for kids like this but it's not easy

Where does she get this bad attitude rap from? She is a class act. Signs autographs for kids after games until everyone gets one, visits kids in the hospital, volunteers in the community, team leader, incredible athlete, etc

I get all the JS bashing as he is brash and states his opinion, which more often than not are true but yes, he rubs plenty of people the wrong way. Voters shouldn't hold that against her.


Did you read Lacrosse magazine cover article? Her comments after the Maryland game?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
4.0 Biology
National Champs
Undefeated
3x national champion
SENIOR
Better liked coach
The MD lady wins it over KO and SB
Although the crazy stats are going to be hard to overlook. Lets see if politics play a role in the selection


All great points for a team award, but it's an individual award and she broke 2 major records with points and assists. Think Lyle Thompson's season when he won. Also, If you pick against her because her coach is pompas you shouldn't have a vote. Maryland no doubt the #1 team in the nation and I believe their fans and coaches believe SB is #2. Like you said hard to overlook the stats but if you want to help grow the game it should be KO in a landslide.


Not only do the the fans and coaches believe SB is #2 in the nation, the national polls have them ranked as #2 ending the year. You don't see that often where a team in the final four displaces a team that played in the finals, but well deserved. And KO will win it, not often do they like to step outside of the team that won the national championship to pick a player, often because many great statistical seasons went to players on non contending teams, but SB was right there, and KO was the main reason.


National rankings are not a criteria for the award. It could be Ohmiller but don't be surprised if it is not.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
KO....just look what she did for SB. Without her they are a middle of the road team. MD might still have went 22-0 without Stukenberg

Kent is getting a little too much pub here base on a sick champ game. She's not even the best player on her team.


Ok that disqualifies you. You clearly have no idea what u are talking about. If you think Apuzzo (a great player btw) is better than Kent, you are out to lunch. That is not based on a sick NC game. It is based on years of watching Kent. That was not an isolated game for Kent. That is how she plays all the time.


You are just completely wrong. Kent had a great final 3 games of the season prior to that Apuzzo was essentially their best player in every game including the ACC tournament. I am not a long island homer but Apuzzo contributes more to the team success , Kent while great turns the ball over too much and forces the ball at times, watch the finals she would have had several more turnovers on passes but her teammates bailed her out coming up with the ground balls.


No. Watched BC for 4 years now. From the area. If you saw the team pre-Kent and post Kent this year, you would understand. BC struggled to beat Harvard (OT win) for goodness sake. Kent steps on field and they become a wildly different team. Again, Apuzzo is great. Love her. Amazing. Kent is a next level type talent. One that you only see come along a few times a decade. Yes she is that good. You stated that Kent "is not even the best player on her team." There is no one associated with BC, other than a few parents and players that don't like the fact that she comes in half way through the season and takes playing time from some girls, that would sign off on your assessment. There are no long-time women's lacrosse watchers that just witnessed one the best individual performances ever in the NCAAs that would agree w you. Once again, I love Apuzzo, Kent is breathtaking to watch.
It has nothing to do w attitude or coaches or anything other than the trend w the women's selectors and that they prefer midfielders. That's the truth Stukenburg or mcool will win I think MCCool is the dark horse Stukenburg doesn't lead her team in Any statistical category to be the best women's player you have to lead in something.
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The bad sound bites, at times some very stupid stat padding, and that LI attitude like her coach might hurt her. Tough to root for when it should be a slam dunk win for her.

This is the same type of stuff we fight on our HS team. You want to cheer for kids like this but it's not easy

Where does she get this bad attitude rap from? She is a class act. Signs autographs for kids after games until everyone gets one, visits kids in the hospital, volunteers in the community, team leader, incredible athlete, etc

I get all the JS bashing as he is brash and states his opinion, which more often than not are true but yes, he rubs plenty of people the wrong way. Voters shouldn't hold that against her.


Did you read Lacrosse magazine cover article? Her comments after the Maryland game?

Sure, she was pissed after a hard fought game....no problem with that. If you watched the game you know the refs sided with the Terps.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
KO....just look what she did for SB. Without her they are a middle of the road team. MD might still have went 22-0 without Stukenberg

Kent is getting a little too much pub here base on a sick champ game. She's not even the best player on her team.


Ok that disqualifies you. You clearly have no idea what u are talking about. If you think Apuzzo (a great player btw) is better than Kent, you are out to lunch. That is not based on a sick NC game. It is based on years of watching Kent. That was not an isolated game for Kent. That is how she plays all the time.


You are just completely wrong. Kent had a great final 3 games of the season prior to that Apuzzo was essentially their best player in every game including the ACC tournament. I am not a long island homer but Apuzzo contributes more to the team success , Kent while great turns the ball over too much and forces the ball at times, watch the finals she would have had several more turnovers on passes but her teammates bailed her out coming up with the ground balls.


Kent is breathtaking to watch.
As is KO
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
4.0 Biology
National Champs
Undefeated
3x national champion
SENIOR
Better liked coach
The MD lady wins it over KO and SB
Although the crazy stats are going to be hard to overlook. Lets see if politics play a role in the selection


All great points for a team award, but it's an individual award and she broke 2 major records with points and assists. Think Lyle Thompson's season when he won. Also, If you pick against her because her coach is pompas you shouldn't have a vote. Maryland no doubt the #1 team in the nation and I believe their fans and coaches believe SB is #2. Like you said hard to overlook the stats but if you want to help grow the game it should be KO in a landslide.


Serious question. And might be different than who should win Tewaaraton this year. Who are you picking to start a team? You get 1.

Stukenberg
Hadnagy
McCool
KO
Hompe
Kent (full season)

For me it's either Stukenberg or Kent. And I lean Kent.


McCool, well because that's a great name and I think I ordered one at McDonalds once.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It has nothing to do w attitude or coaches or anything other than the trend w the women's selectors and that they prefer midfielders. That's the truth Stukenburg or mcool will win I think MCCool is the dark horse Stukenburg doesn't lead her team in Any statistical category to be the best women's player you have to lead in something.


Even the sport doesn't like the stat padding that's why the trend is to middies and even a defender this year. Last defender to win was 2003 and middies have won 10 of the last 12. SS was the last attack player to win in 2011. With 6 of the last 7 winners from MD, do they go attack and SB???? Hmmmm
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by baldbear
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The bad sound bites, at times some very stupid stat padding, and that LI attitude like her coach might hurt her. Tough to root for when it should be a slam dunk win for her.

This is the same type of stuff we fight on our HS team. You want to cheer for kids like this but it's not easy

Where does she get this bad attitude rap from? She is a class act. Signs autographs for kids after games until everyone gets one, visits kids in the hospital, volunteers in the community, team leader, incredible athlete, etc

I get all the JS bashing as he is brash and states his opinion, which more often than not are true but yes, he rubs plenty of people the wrong way. Voters shouldn't hold that against her.


Did you read Lacrosse magazine cover article? Her comments after the Maryland game?

Sure, she was pissed after a hard fought game....no problem with that. If you watched the game you know the refs sided with the Terps.


It might be a problem for those who vote, for what it is worth. It's between her and either Maryland player.
Zoe Stukenberg for the win. No surprise.
What a shock...Zoe takes it. Not even the best player on her team
Sometimes it pays to just get along. KO was the best player but the bad sound bites and the needless stat building along with her disliked coach and her teams rule bending play cost them.

They went safe with another Middie from the undefeated national champs
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sometimes it pays to just get along. KO was the best player but the bad sound bites and the needless stat building along with her disliked coach and her teams rule bending play cost them.

They went safe with another Middie from the undefeated national champs



Yes, definitely... Not fair, but then again, life isn't fair... go get it next year KO! I'm rooting for you, you deserved it this year!

Good luck and thank you for a great, record breaking, season!
Congratulations to Zoe Stukenberg. It helps to be on the championship team. Maryland has taken 7 of the last 8 awards.

Kylie Ohmiller made her mark by breaking the points record. A great season for her as well.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
KO....just look what she did for SB. Without her they are a middle of the road team. MD might still have went 22-0 without Stukenberg

Kent is getting a little too much pub here base on a sick champ game. She's not even the best player on her team.


Ok that disqualifies you. You clearly have no idea what u are talking about. If you think Apuzzo (a great player btw) is better than Kent, you are out to lunch. That is not based on a sick NC game. It is based on years of watching Kent. That was not an isolated game for Kent. That is how she plays all the time.


You are just completely wrong. Kent had a great final 3 games of the season prior to that Apuzzo was essentially their best player in every game including the ACC tournament. I am not a long island homer but Apuzzo contributes more to the team success , Kent while great turns the ball over too much and forces the ball at times, watch the finals she would have had several more turnovers on passes but her teammates bailed her out coming up with the ground balls.


No. Watched BC for 4 years now. From the area. If you saw the team pre-Kent and post Kent this year, you would understand. BC struggled to beat Harvard (OT win) for goodness sake. Kent steps on field and they become a wildly different team. Again, Apuzzo is great. Love her. Amazing. Kent is a next level type talent. One that you only see come along a few times a decade. Yes she is that good. You stated that Kent "is not even the best player on her team." There is no one associated with BC, other than a few parents and players that don't like the fact that she comes in half way through the season and takes playing time from some girls, that would sign off on your assessment. There are no long-time women's lacrosse watchers that just witnessed one the best individual performances ever in the NCAAs that would agree w you. Once again, I love Apuzzo, Kent is breathtaking to watch.



No one on the team cares when she comes back. The BC team is a very unselfish group and shows great sportsmanship. Unlike SB where KO is known to spit and step on people.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
KO....just look what she did for SB. Without her they are a middle of the road team. MD might still have went 22-0 without Stukenberg

Kent is getting a little too much pub here base on a sick champ game. She's not even the best player on her team.


Ok that disqualifies you. You clearly have no idea what u are talking about. If you think Apuzzo (a great player btw) is better than Kent, you are out to lunch. That is not based on a sick NC game. It is based on years of watching Kent. That was not an isolated game for Kent. That is how she plays all the time.


You are just completely wrong. Kent had a great final 3 games of the season prior to that Apuzzo was essentially their best player in every game including the ACC tournament. I am not a long island homer but Apuzzo contributes more to the team success , Kent while great turns the ball over too much and forces the ball at times, watch the finals she would have had several more turnovers on passes but her teammates bailed her out coming up with the ground balls.


No. Watched BC for 4 years now. From the area. If you saw the team pre-Kent and post Kent this year, you would understand. BC struggled to beat Harvard (OT win) for goodness sake. Kent steps on field and they become a wildly different team. Again, Apuzzo is great. Love her. Amazing. Kent is a next level type talent. One that you only see come along a few times a decade. Yes she is that good. You stated that Kent "is not even the best player on her team." There is no one associated with BC, other than a few parents and players that don't like the fact that she comes in half way through the season and takes playing time from some girls, that would sign off on your assessment. There are no long-time women's lacrosse watchers that just witnessed one the best individual performances ever in the NCAAs that would agree w you. Once again, I love Apuzzo, Kent is breathtaking to watch.


When Kent goes missing I know where the FBI should start their search. You seem a bit obsessive .First you are discussing this with several people so stop w the "you stated" .Not sure why you ventured into the area of how much everyone loves the fact that she is not completely committed to the lax team but I can guarantee that it's more than a few that are annoyed by it .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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They seem to like two way players that play midfield. SS was the last attacker to win. I'm sorry but the KO snub was about more than lacrosse. It has to be
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KO....just look what she did for SB. Without her they are a middle of the road team. MD might still have went 22-0 without Stukenberg

Kent is getting a little too much pub here base on a sick champ game. She's not even the best player on her team.


Ok that disqualifies you. You clearly have no idea what u are talking about. If you think Apuzzo (a great player btw) is better than Kent, you are out to lunch. That is not based on a sick NC game. It is based on years of watching Kent. That was not an isolated game for Kent. That is how she plays all the time.


You are just completely wrong. Kent had a great final 3 games of the season prior to that Apuzzo was essentially their best player in every game including the ACC tournament. I am not a long island homer but Apuzzo contributes more to the team success , Kent while great turns the ball over too much and forces the ball at times, watch the finals she would have had several more turnovers on passes but her teammates bailed her out coming up with the ground balls.


No. Watched BC for 4 years now. From the area. If you saw the team pre-Kent and post Kent this year, you would understand. BC struggled to beat Harvard (OT win) for goodness sake. Kent steps on field and they become a wildly different team. Again, Apuzzo is great. Love her. Amazing. Kent is a next level type talent. One that you only see come along a few times a decade. Yes she is that good. You stated that Kent "is not even the best player on her team." There is no one associated with BC, other than a few parents and players that don't like the fact that she comes in half way through the season and takes playing time from some girls, that would sign off on your assessment. There are no long-time women's lacrosse watchers that just witnessed one the best individual performances ever in the NCAAs that would agree w you. Once again, I love Apuzzo, Kent is breathtaking to watch.



No one on the team cares when she comes back. The BC team is a very unselfish group and shows great sportsmanship. Unlike SB where KO is known to spit and step on people.

Really? What a terrible comment about a classy young woman.
It will just make it that much sweeter when SB wins the National Title next year right here at home. It will make for a great story, great press and a great 30 for 30 on KO when she gets it next year joined on stage with either her sister or CM.
Would love to know who is on the Tewaaraton Award committee. I would venture to guess that Cathy Reese is one of the people. The struggle with Stuckenburg as the winner is that she is only marginally better (if at all) than others on her team. She would not even be considered if she played for a team other than MD. Very good player and incredibly hard worker but best in the country?
She lost it for things unrelated to lacrosse. I think there was a lot of personality baked into the vote. Players personality - Sound bites hurt/ loading up stats in meaningless games, Teams personality - Abrassive & Rough, Coaches Personality - well documented cocky New Yorker
She had the best season
So next year does she put up 500 points against bad teams in an effort to win it?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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KO....just look what she did for SB. Without her they are a middle of the road team. MD might still have went 22-0 without Stukenberg

Kent is getting a little too much pub here base on a sick champ game. She's not even the best player on her team.


Ok that disqualifies you. You clearly have no idea what u are talking about. If you think Apuzzo (a great player btw) is better than Kent, you are out to lunch. That is not based on a sick NC game. It is based on years of watching Kent. That was not an isolated game for Kent. That is how she plays all the time.


You are just completely wrong. Kent had a great final 3 games of the season prior to that Apuzzo was essentially their best player in every game including the ACC tournament. I am not a long island homer but Apuzzo contributes more to the team success , Kent while great turns the ball over too much and forces the ball at times, watch the finals she would have had several more turnovers on passes but her teammates bailed her out coming up with the ground balls.


No. Watched BC for 4 years now. From the area. If you saw the team pre-Kent and post Kent this year, you would understand. BC struggled to beat Harvard (OT win) for goodness sake. Kent steps on field and they become a wildly different team. Again, Apuzzo is great. Love her. Amazing. Kent is a next level type talent. One that you only see come along a few times a decade. Yes she is that good. You stated that Kent "is not even the best player on her team." There is no one associated with BC, other than a few parents and players that don't like the fact that she comes in half way through the season and takes playing time from some girls, that would sign off on your assessment. There are no long-time women's lacrosse watchers that just witnessed one the best individual performances ever in the NCAAs that would agree w you. Once again, I love Apuzzo, Kent is breathtaking to watch.



No one on the team cares when she comes back. The BC team is a very unselfish group and shows great sportsmanship. Unlike SB where KO is known to spit and step on people.

Really? What a terrible comment about a classy young woman.

You wouldn't use the word classy if you heard some of the things she's said to opposing players.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
KO....just look what she did for SB. Without her they are a middle of the road team. MD might still have went 22-0 without Stukenberg

Kent is getting a little too much pub here base on a sick champ game. She's not even the best player on her team.


Ok that disqualifies you. You clearly have no idea what u are talking about. If you think Apuzzo (a great player btw) is better than Kent, you are out to lunch. That is not based on a sick NC game. It is based on years of watching Kent. That was not an isolated game for Kent. That is how she plays all the time.


You are just completely wrong. Kent had a great final 3 games of the season prior to that Apuzzo was essentially their best player in every game including the ACC tournament. I am not a long island homer but Apuzzo contributes more to the team success , Kent while great turns the ball over too much and forces the ball at times, watch the finals she would have had several more turnovers on passes but her teammates bailed her out coming up with the ground balls.


No. Watched BC for 4 years now. From the area. If you saw the team pre-Kent and post Kent this year, you would understand. BC struggled to beat Harvard (OT win) for goodness sake. Kent steps on field and they become a wildly different team. Again, Apuzzo is great. Love her. Amazing. Kent is a next level type talent. One that you only see come along a few times a decade. Yes she is that good. You stated that Kent "is not even the best player on her team." There is no one associated with BC, other than a few parents and players that don't like the fact that she comes in half way through the season and takes playing time from some girls, that would sign off on your assessment. There are no long-time women's lacrosse watchers that just witnessed one the best individual performances ever in the NCAAs that would agree w you. Once again, I love Apuzzo, Kent is breathtaking to watch.


Your infatuation with Kent is making you blind. Pre- Kent your team was 9-4, with Kent your team was 7-3, not really much different. Beating Harvard in OT was better than losing to Duke .Since Kent returned to play the Navy team went much deeper than anyone expected should we credit Kent with their success also. Who exactly did they beat that they would not have without her, would they have done worse in the ACC tournament. They came into the NCAA tournament and went on a run but who did they really beat .Look at the stats and results pre-Kent vs with her and they are remarkably similar .I guess you could point to the second Syracuse game but Cuse was a sinking ship (look at their early game vs UNC compared to the later game) and a closer loss against MD. On the other hand with Kent the Navy game was much closer and the UNC game was essentially the same.
You BC people are clowns. You live on this board. Just peppering everyone sad thing is WE know who you are and your embarrassing yourself and your program.
She lost because she did not deserve the award. Stop crying and get over it. As for the comment about how she treats opposing players, comes as no surprise, it's the culture of her coach. leaves a nasty taste in people's mouth
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She lost because she did not deserve the award. Stop crying and get over it. As for the comment about how she treats opposing players, comes as no surprise, it's the culture of her coach. leaves a nasty taste in people's mouth


She lost, yes. Time to get over it, yes. K.O. did deserve it though, but much like two out of the three wins for Cummings the winner wasn't the best player.. Treanor was better.

I watched the show and i was very impressed with Z.S. she was very composed and well spoken.. the men's winner ..not so much
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She lost because she did not deserve the award. Stop crying and get over it. As for the comment about how she treats opposing players, comes as no surprise, it's the culture of her coach. leaves a nasty taste in people's mouth


Maybe she lost because they want the best lacrosse layer and not the best offensive player. Maybe she lost because those numbers that you all think make her the best player were put up mostly at the expense of completely overmatched teams. If they want her to win the award JS is going to have to schedule as many top teams as possible in non conference , the only problem is very few top teams will be willing to lay them for a few reasons. First reason is they have a horrible reputation for being unsportsmanlike and bordering on being thugs,second the better teams that play in the better conferences have hard enough schedules as is, so why add another difficult game.
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So next year does she put up 500 points against bad teams in an effort to win it?


I hope so...she is fun to watch..
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You BC people are clowns. You live on this board. Just peppering everyone sad thing is WE know who you are and your embarrassing yourself and your program.


Ha ... how do you know? Is it because YOU actually stalk this board? I'm not a "BC person" but hey, I'll take the compliment if it is a choice between being a BC person and a Stony Brook person. BC people are clowns? Ok. The clown show is actually long island, JS and the Stony Brook circus. What a group of jackwagons. Been in the stands many times. Whether it's the parents, the coach or some of the players. Class ain't in the ballpark. Sad.

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
You BC people are clowns. You live on this board. Just peppering everyone sad thing is WE know who you are and your embarrassing yourself and your program.


Ha ... how do you know? Is it because YOU actually stalk this board? I'm not a "BC person" but hey, I'll take the compliment if it is a choice between being a BC person and a Stony Brook person. BC people are clowns? Ok. The clown show is actually long island, JS and the Stony Brook circus. What a group of jackwagons. Been in the stands many times. Whether it's the parents, the coach or some of the players. Class ain't in the ballpark. Sad.


Jackwagons?????? and your talking about class
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You BC people are clowns. You live on this board. Just peppering everyone sad thing is WE know who you are and your embarrassing yourself and your program.


Ha ... how do you know? Is it because YOU actually stalk this board? I'm not a "BC person" but hey, I'll take the compliment if it is a choice between being a BC person and a Stony Brook person. BC people are clowns? Ok. The clown show is actually long island, JS and the Stony Brook circus. What a group of jackwagons. Been in the stands many times. Whether it's the parents, the coach or some of the players. Class ain't in the ballpark. Sad.


Jackwagons?????? and your talking about class


You're not your. You're welcome.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.


Your'e insane. First you knock her down to 6 goals a game becuase that's what she had against the tougher part of the schedule. So you're implying that everyone else had no easier games and that their entire schedule was as rigorous as SB's toughest 10? And THEN you knock hewr down again because THOSE 10 games were still 15% easier than the other top teams?

So to reiterate... you're insane. Let me see the metrics you're basing these statements on.
I wrote the BC clowns post. And in NO way am I a SB supporter. It was a statement based on the behavior of BC on this board since you guys w all of your top recruits finally made a run. SB I am not! My daughter plays on a team that competes w BC. So my statement was based on that.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.



Great illustration. i will take it a step further. Before i start, let it be known that I think KO is a GREAT player. One of the best if not the best offensive player in the country. That being said, giving her the Tewaaraton to her is like giving a Designated hitter the MVP in MLB. It just isn't justified. If you take the previous post into account regarding the points, you also have to take into account that JS leaves his studs on in blow outs longer than any coach I have seen. This also contributes to the huge amount of points. In addition the philosophy that points should be the biggest factor determining this award is downright silly. There are many aspects of the game which contribute to a teams success. If you look at ZS and KO in the other facets of the game, it really isn't close. Therefore I think the right decision was made (from someone who has no love for Maryland Lax). KO had 15 gb's 3 DC's 7 ct's and 40 to's. Those numbers are not very good to say the least. Throw in the fact that she is not very good in the ride and the picture becomes more clear. as for ZS she had 84 pts. as a middie (very good) 74 DC's (she didn't take the draw), 27 CT's and only 21 TO's. She also was great in the clearing game and played great defense. In addition she did all of this against a much tougher schedule and her team WON. They both are great players but KO only effects one part of the game and ZS controls the whole game! Congrats to both ion a great season!
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.


HAHA, add in a .85 MD factor and call it Fact, not an opinion..you my friend are an idiot. Time to get a life
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.



Great illustration. i will take it a step further. Before i start, let it be known that I think KO is a GREAT player. One of the best if not the best offensive player in the country. That being said, giving her the Tewaaraton to her is like giving a Designated hitter the MVP in MLB. It just isn't justified. If you take the previous post into account regarding the points, you also have to take into account that JS leaves his studs on in blow outs longer than any coach I have seen. This also contributes to the huge amount of points. In addition the philosophy that points should be the biggest factor determining this award is downright silly. There are many aspects of the game which contribute to a teams success. If you look at ZS and KO in the other facets of the game, it really isn't close. Therefore I think the right decision was made (from someone who has no love for Maryland Lax). KO had 15 gb's 3 DC's 7 ct's and 40 to's. Those numbers are not very good to say the least. Throw in the fact that she is not very good in the ride and the picture becomes more clear. as for ZS she had 84 pts. as a middie (very good) 74 DC's (she didn't take the draw), 27 CT's and only 21 TO's. She also was great in the clearing game and played great defense. In addition she did all of this against a much tougher schedule and her team WON. They both are great players but KO only effects one part of the game and ZS controls the whole game! Congrats to both ion a great season!


I disagree. That's like saying the Jerry Rice should never have be considered for the MVP award in '87 because he only caught passes. He was the most dominant player at his position (ever) and there wasn't a close second. KO was the most dominant player at her position (ever) last season and there wasn't a close second.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.



Great illustration. i will take it a step further. Before i start, let it be known that I think KO is a GREAT player. One of the best if not the best offensive player in the country. That being said, giving her the Tewaaraton to her is like giving a Designated hitter the MVP in MLB. It just isn't justified. If you take the previous post into account regarding the points, you also have to take into account that JS leaves his studs on in blow outs longer than any coach I have seen. This also contributes to the huge amount of points. In addition the philosophy that points should be the biggest factor determining this award is downright silly. There are many aspects of the game which contribute to a teams success. If you look at ZS and KO in the other facets of the game, it really isn't close. Therefore I think the right decision was made (from someone who has no love for Maryland Lax). KO had 15 gb's 3 DC's 7 ct's and 40 to's. Those numbers are not very good to say the least. Throw in the fact that she is not very good in the ride and the picture becomes more clear. as for ZS she had 84 pts. as a middie (very good) 74 DC's (she didn't take the draw), 27 CT's and only 21 TO's. She also was great in the clearing game and played great defense. In addition she did all of this against a much tougher schedule and her team WON. They both are great players but KO only effects one part of the game and ZS controls the whole game! Congrats to both ion a great season!


I disagree. That's like saying the Jerry Rice should never have be considered for the MVP award in '87 because he only caught passes. He was the most dominant player at his position (ever) and there wasn't a close second. KO was the most dominant player at her position (ever) last season and there wasn't a close second.


Nfl players only play one side of the ball. There is a reason Carmello Anthony will never be considered as good as Lebron or Michael. He can't play D! I disagree about KO being the most dominant player at her position. If you consider playing attack is only assists and goals you have an argument, but there are MANY other attackers who are great scorers and significantly better in the other areas of the game which are just as important. You can't just say it doesn't matter, because it does! as a low attacker who doesn't participate in the draw or help in the middle of the field, you are the beneficiary of fast breaks etc. The kid who brings the ball up and starts the break gets no credit.The Tawaaraton isn't for the most dominant player at their position, otherwise Baptiste would have won too. The 2 way middy in womens lacrosse is even more important than mens because they are on the field for most of if not all of the game. There are not many specialist in the womens game.
Kylie is a heck of an athlete. Should not hold it against her that she is "just plays attack". You can put her on midfield and she'd still be a beast on both sides of the field. Heck, put her on defense and she'd still be an All American. Also, we always have to read about SB's weak schedule. Yes, they have a few softer teams but they're against teams in their Conference. They played Florida, USC, NW, Hopkins, Towson, Jacksonville.....and Maryland. Only a handful of teams at the most can make an argument that their schedule is tougher. And we all agree they're aren't too many teams in the country that can ever sniff at the winning the title......SB is one of them and will certainty be in the mix next year. She should have won the award. Other girls are great.....but none had a better individual performance than Kylie. Not trying to make any SB/YJ hater into a lover. Go ahead and keep hating. But to think anybody other than Kylie should have won last night, is just a hater and will keep coming up with formulas and or slanders against a girl they pretend to know in order to make their case. She should have won it but we'll all get over it. Years from now fans will remember her not winning it rather than the girl that won it. Next year will be fun.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.



Great illustration. i will take it a step further. Before i start, let it be known that I think KO is a GREAT player. One of the best if not the best offensive player in the country. That being said, giving her the Tewaaraton to her is like giving a Designated hitter the MVP in MLB. It just isn't justified. If you take the previous post into account regarding the points, you also have to take into account that JS leaves his studs on in blow outs longer than any coach I have seen. This also contributes to the huge amount of points. In addition the philosophy that points should be the biggest factor determining this award is downright silly. There are many aspects of the game which contribute to a teams success. If you look at ZS and KO in the other facets of the game, it really isn't close. Therefore I think the right decision was made (from someone who has no love for Maryland Lax). KO had 15 gb's 3 DC's 7 ct's and 40 to's. Those numbers are not very good to say the least. Throw in the fact that she is not very good in the ride and the picture becomes more clear. as for ZS she had 84 pts. as a middie (very good) 74 DC's (she didn't take the draw), 27 CT's and only 21 TO's. She also was great in the clearing game and played great defense. In addition she did all of this against a much tougher schedule and her team WON. They both are great players but KO only effects one part of the game and ZS controls the whole game! Congrats to both ion a great season!


I disagree. That's like saying the Jerry Rice should never have be considered for the MVP award in '87 because he only caught passes. He was the most dominant player at his position (ever) and there wasn't a close second. KO was the most dominant player at her position (ever) last season and there wasn't a close second.


I agree, there was a guy named Gretzky also, wasn't very good on the ride either, but had a few points in his day.
The thing EVERYONE is missing is out opinions mean nothing . The criteria or desires of the people picking this are all that matter. If they want a certain type player over another that's the criteria. I.e. Mid vs attck
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.



Great illustration. i will take it a step further. Before i start, let it be known that I think KO is a GREAT player. One of the best if not the best offensive player in the country. That being said, giving her the Tewaaraton to her is like giving a Designated hitter the MVP in MLB. It just isn't justified. If you take the previous post into account regarding the points, you also have to take into account that JS leaves his studs on in blow outs longer than any coach I have seen. This also contributes to the huge amount of points. In addition the philosophy that points should be the biggest factor determining this award is downright silly. There are many aspects of the game which contribute to a teams success. If you look at ZS and KO in the other facets of the game, it really isn't close. Therefore I think the right decision was made (from someone who has no love for Maryland Lax). KO had 15 gb's 3 DC's 7 ct's and 40 to's. Those numbers are not very good to say the least. Throw in the fact that she is not very good in the ride and the picture becomes more clear. as for ZS she had 84 pts. as a middie (very good) 74 DC's (she didn't take the draw), 27 CT's and only 21 TO's. She also was great in the clearing game and played great defense. In addition she did all of this against a much tougher schedule and her team WON. They both are great players but KO only effects one part of the game and ZS controls the whole game! Congrats to both ion a great season!


WRONG!

DH is taking it way too far. They play about 1/18th of the game - only offense (1/2) and only bat 1/9th of the time. And if you want to eliminate attack, you have to take out defense and goalies too - guess you want to make the T the award for middie of the year?

Any update on Michigan women's job? There has to be some rumors out there that are close?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Kylie is a heck of an athlete. Should not hold it against her that she is "just plays attack". You can put her on midfield and she'd still be a beast on both sides of the field. Heck, put her on defense and she'd still be an All American. Also, we always have to read about SB's weak schedule. Yes, they have a few softer teams but they're against teams in their Conference. They played Florida, USC, NW, Hopkins, Towson, Jacksonville.....and Maryland. Only a handful of teams at the most can make an argument that their schedule is tougher. And we all agree they're aren't too many teams in the country that can ever sniff at the winning the title......SB is one of them and will certainty be in the mix next year. She should have won the award. Other girls are great.....but none had a better individual performance than Kylie. Not trying to make any SB/YJ hater into a lover. Go ahead and keep hating. But to think anybody other than Kylie should have won last night, is just a hater and will keep coming up with formulas and or slanders against a girl they pretend to know in order to make their case. She should have won it but we'll all get over it. Years from now fans will remember her not winning it rather than the girl that won it. Next year will be fun.


Curious question. Why doesn't she play middie?
Analysis prior to the selection from BigRedMachine, a fellow lacrosse fan....

Like most I'm sure the Tewaaraton award boils down to Stukenberg and Ohlmiller and for those dazzled by the towering offensive numbers produced by Ohlmiller (as am I by the way) let me give you a few objective reasons why it won't automatically go her way.

Schedule:
Stony Brook played only four matches versus top ten teams; Maryland, Florida, Colorado and USC (losing two of them) and three games versus the top twenty; Northwestern twice and Towson. The rest of the schedule is filled with a hodge podge of mostly mediocre to poor teams (Albany excepted). Now by my calculations Ohlmiller's production is 3 points less against ranked teams than non ranked teams (goals + assists). Maryland, by contrast, had the second highest strength of schedule in the nation (slightly less than Northwestern) playing ten games versus the top ten and 6 games against the top twenty. Reason would tell you had Ohlmiller played Maryland's schedule her point total would be quite a bit less, still very good but not one of historic proportions. Of course you have to play the teams on your schedule and while this projection wouldn't axiomatically play out there's no reason it shouldn't be a consideration in the selection of the Tewaaraton winner. After all if strength of schedule can be used as one of the factors in weighing unequal schedules for NCAA tournament seeding then there's no reason it can't be a consideration when measuring the relative performance of two players.

Performance:
What are each teams needs and how do the respective players perform to contribute to the success of the team? Stony Brooks offense runs through Kylie Ohlmiller, even more so when Courtney Murphy went down with a season ending injury. She's the engine that makes the team's offense click. As such she's performed faultlessly and in so doing broke Jen Adams long held single season points record. It doesn't get much better than that. Contrast that to how Maryland uses Zoe Stuckenberg. The Terp's have a plethora of offensive weapons, all of whom can find the back of the net with great consistency or feed teammates for the same. The top six scorers range from a high of eighty-seven points down to seventy points (Stukenberg 2nd with 84 points) and the seventh producing 43. So Stukenberg is not a critical component to Maryland's offense running at peak effeciency but rather another arrow in the quiver (Maryland still managed to score sixteen goals against BC while she was being face guarded). Because of this even handed sharing arrangement your not going to see gaudy offensive stats from any of the Terp regulars. But where Stukenberg is really counted on for production is in the other non-glamorous hustle categories and, as a two year captain, to be the coaches on field liaison. She was an excellent part of Maryland's highly rated defense, rarely taking a set off, and was also ranked in the top three of all Maryland non goalie team stats. It's difficult to quantify the relative importance of each of these players to their teams success but we do know the success of one team versus the other. Can that be the overriding factor? Maybe?

NCAA Tournament:
Yes the tournament is a big factor in the Tewaaraton selection. The goal of most teams is to qualify for the tournament with the ultimate prize winning the NCAA title. If that weren't the case the voting would occur at the end of the season prior to the tourney.
Ohlmiller: Three games, 6 1/3 points/game average, 1/3 ground ball/game, 1/3 draw control/game, 0 caused turnovers.
Stukenberg: Four games, 4 1/2 points/game, 1 1/5 ground balls/game, 3 1/4 draw controls/game, and 3/4 caused turnovers/game.
Results: Stony Brook loses to Maryland in the quarters and Maryland wins the NCAA title.

Intangibles:
Laxallnight refers to Stukenberg as the media darling but, for objectivity, go on to the Stony Brook website and read their write up of Ohlmiller. I don't know if I'd call Zoe Stukenberg a media darling but she is a very poised and thoughtful speaker. If you haven't done so already go to the post game interviews and listen to her moving tribute to her four years at Maryland. That aside she is the embodiment of the scholar athlete, one who evenly divides her time between those two callings and performs at peak efficiency in both. You cannot ask for or expect more from an individual.

I think both Ohlmiller and Stukenberg are deserving of the award and will have no problems whatsoever with the selection, whomever it may be. However, as TL has already mentioned, the real prize has already been won, this is just the icing.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Kylie is a heck of an athlete. Should not hold it against her that she is "just plays attack". You can put her on midfield and she'd still be a beast on both sides of the field. Heck, put her on defense and she'd still be an All American. Also, we always have to read about SB's weak schedule. Yes, they have a few softer teams but they're against teams in their Conference. They played Florida, USC, NW, Hopkins, Towson, Jacksonville.....and Maryland. Only a handful of teams at the most can make an argument that their schedule is tougher. And we all agree they're aren't too many teams in the country that can ever sniff at the winning the title......SB is one of them and will certainty be in the mix next year. She should have won the award. Other girls are great.....but none had a better individual performance than Kylie. Not trying to make any SB/YJ hater into a lover. Go ahead and keep hating. But to think anybody other than Kylie should have won last night, is just a hater and will keep coming up with formulas and or slanders against a girl they pretend to know in order to make their case. She should have won it but we'll all get over it. Years from now fans will remember her not winning it rather than the girl that won it. Next year will be fun.


If you consider 20 teams with tougher schedules "a handful" then you are right. The reality is all but 4 top 20 teams had harder schedules. The ones that didn't were USC, Colorado, Umass Navy (although they of course weren't top 20 until their year end run). SB had the 21st hardest schedule. Elon had a tougher schedule. Harvard had a tougher schedule. Rutgers had a tougher schedule.

You state the "tough games, and run out prety quickly. That's the point. Take a look at NU's schedule for example. I think you will find that some of the teams play a much harder schedule. And what gets a bit lost in that isn't just the opponents, but that you are playing on after the other with no let up. You don't have the cupcakes to take a breath. She should not have won it this year. Maybe next year. And maybe they will play a tougher schedule next year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.


HAHA, add in a .85 MD factor and call it Fact, not an opinion..you my friend are an idiot. Time to get a life


You aren't getting it. SB 10 hardest games extrapolated to 22 still wouldn't give them a Maryland strength of schedule. Guys like you have a tough time with statistics and facts. You like anecdotes and opinions. Fine. Here is a FACT. KO didn't win the Tewaaraton. Therefore, there is a committee of very knowledgable people that agreed that her all-time high point total was somehow not worthy of the award. There have been other very justifiable points made regarding her limited affect on other parts of the game, her poor ride (whoever said she would be a top defender is out of their mind) whatever. I chose to point out that very likely the committee was not as impressed were her point total given the very weak schedule she played, particularly given how strong her team is. The 4th ranked team in the country playing the 21st toughest schedule in a sport where after the top 15 or so teams there is a pretty big drop-off makes a difference. They played teams ranked so far down (UVM???) that it is almost embarrassing. And you will say that they are in their league, what are they supposed to do. I agree, but what you then do when you are evaluating her season-long performance, you adjust it to what it might look like if she played a schedule like other top 5 teams did. And that what was done here. And she doesn't win the Tewaaraton. Too bad.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.


HAHA, add in a .85 MD factor and call it Fact, not an opinion..you my friend are an idiot. Time to get a life


You aren't getting it. SB 10 hardest games extrapolated to 22 still wouldn't give them a Maryland strength of schedule. Guys like you have a tough time with statistics and facts. You like anecdotes and opinions. Fine. Here is a FACT. KO didn't win the Tewaaraton. Therefore, there is a committee of very knowledgable people that agreed that her all-time high point total was somehow not worthy of the award. There have been other very justifiable points made regarding her limited affect on other parts of the game, her poor ride (whoever said she would be a top defender is out of their mind) whatever. I chose to point out that very likely the committee was not as impressed were her point total given the very weak schedule she played, particularly given how strong her team is. The 4th ranked team in the country playing the 21st toughest schedule in a sport where after the top 15 or so teams there is a pretty big drop-off makes a difference. They played teams ranked so far down (UVM???) that it is almost embarrassing. And you will say that they are in their league, what are they supposed to do. I agree, but what you then do when you are evaluating her season-long performance, you adjust it to what it might look like if she played a schedule like other top 5 teams did. And that what was done here. And she doesn't win the Tewaaraton. Too bad.



If Trainer did not win it last year then no attacker ever should!!!
Dominated the draw in first year taking them!!! And, was best offensive player in ACC the toughest conference in the game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.


HAHA, add in a .85 MD factor and call it Fact, not an opinion..you my friend are an idiot. Time to get a life


You aren't getting it. SB 10 hardest games extrapolated to 22 still wouldn't give them a Maryland strength of schedule. Guys like you have a tough time with statistics and facts. You like anecdotes and opinions. Fine. Here is a FACT. KO didn't win the Tewaaraton. Therefore, there is a committee of very knowledgable people that agreed that her all-time high point total was somehow not worthy of the award. There have been other very justifiable points made regarding her limited affect on other parts of the game, her poor ride (whoever said she would be a top defender is out of their mind) whatever. I chose to point out that very likely the committee was not as impressed were her point total given the very weak schedule she played, particularly given how strong her team is. The 4th ranked team in the country playing the 21st toughest schedule in a sport where after the top 15 or so teams there is a pretty big drop-off makes a difference. They played teams ranked so far down (UVM???) that it is almost embarrassing. And you will say that they are in their league, what are they supposed to do. I agree, but what you then do when you are evaluating her season-long performance, you adjust it to what it might look like if she played a schedule like other top 5 teams did. And that what was done here. And she doesn't win the Tewaaraton. Too bad.



If Trainer did not win it last year then no attacker ever should!!!
Dominated the draw in first year taking them!!! And, was best offensive player in ACC the toughest conference in the game


Now you are talking. Treanor is hands down better than KO. If someone wants to argue with that they have zero idea of what they are talking about. So you are correct, there is a biased towards the do-everything middie. I'm fine with that. I agree, a great attacker is fun to watch, the best middie in the game is usually more valuable.
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If Trainer did not win it last year then no attacker ever should!!!
Dominated the draw in first year taking them!!! And, was best offensive player in ACC the toughest conference in the game
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Now you are talking. Treanor is hands down better than KO. If someone wants to argue with that they have zero idea of what they are talking about. So you are correct, there is a biased towards the do-everything middie. I'm fine with that. I agree, a great attacker is fun to watch, the best middie in the game is usually more valuable.[/quote]

finally some voices of reason.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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If Trainer did not win it last year then no attacker ever should!!!
Dominated the draw in first year taking them!!! And, was best offensive player in ACC the toughest conference in the game
[/quote]

Now you are talking. Treanor is hands down better than KO. If someone wants to argue with that they have zero idea of what they are talking about. So you are correct, there is a biased towards the do-everything middie. I'm fine with that. I agree, a great attacker is fun to watch, the best middie in the game is usually more valuable.[/quote]

finally some voices of reason.

Hmmmm....more like voices that agree with you
[/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.


HAHA, add in a .85 MD factor and call it Fact, not an opinion..you my friend are an idiot. Time to get a life


You aren't getting it. SB 10 hardest games extrapolated to 22 still wouldn't give them a Maryland strength of schedule. Guys like you have a tough time with statistics and facts. You like anecdotes and opinions. Fine. Here is a FACT. KO didn't win the Tewaaraton. Therefore, there is a committee of very knowledgable people that agreed that her all-time high point total was somehow not worthy of the award. There have been other very justifiable points made regarding her limited affect on other parts of the game, her poor ride (whoever said she would be a top defender is out of their mind) whatever. I chose to point out that very likely the committee was not as impressed were her point total given the very weak schedule she played, particularly given how strong her team is. The 4th ranked team in the country playing the 21st toughest schedule in a sport where after the top 15 or so teams there is a pretty big drop-off makes a difference. They played teams ranked so far down (UVM???) that it is almost embarrassing. And you will say that they are in their league, what are they supposed to do. I agree, but what you then do when you are evaluating her season-long performance, you adjust it to what it might look like if she played a schedule like other top 5 teams did. And that what was done here. And she doesn't win the Tewaaraton. Too bad.



If Trainer did not win it last year then no attacker ever should!!!
Dominated the draw in first year taking them!!! And, was best offensive player in ACC the toughest conference in the game


Now you are talking. Treanor is hands down better than KO. If someone wants to argue with that they have zero idea of what they are talking about. So you are correct, there is a biased towards the do-everything middie. I'm fine with that. I agree, a great attacker is fun to watch, the best middie in the game is usually more valuable.



Spot on!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.


HAHA, add in a .85 MD factor and call it Fact, not an opinion..you my friend are an idiot. Time to get a life


You aren't getting it. SB 10 hardest games extrapolated to 22 still wouldn't give them a Maryland strength of schedule. Guys like you have a tough time with statistics and facts. You like anecdotes and opinions. Fine. Here is a FACT. KO didn't win the Tewaaraton. Therefore, there is a committee of very knowledgable people that agreed that her all-time high point total was somehow not worthy of the award. There have been other very justifiable points made regarding her limited affect on other parts of the game, her poor ride (whoever said she would be a top defender is out of their mind) whatever. I chose to point out that very likely the committee was not as impressed were her point total given the very weak schedule she played, particularly given how strong her team is. The 4th ranked team in the country playing the 21st toughest schedule in a sport where after the top 15 or so teams there is a pretty big drop-off makes a difference. They played teams ranked so far down (UVM???) that it is almost embarrassing. And you will say that they are in their league, what are they supposed to do. I agree, but what you then do when you are evaluating her season-long performance, you adjust it to what it might look like if she played a schedule like other top 5 teams did. And that what was done here. And she doesn't win the Tewaaraton. Too bad.
with all that said, you can blame JS for being such a pariah amongst the rest of the coaches. You can say they will not play SB because there scared, but in truth they don't have to play sb, sb needs to play them, and when you're a [lacrosse] to every coach and obnoxious like he is he hurts his team, and the same players he says he loves. 11 of the top 15 will not play SB as long as JS is like the way he is, thats his fault. Get used to it. No T award winner for you, stop blaming everyone els and blame the person responsible.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.


HAHA, add in a .85 MD factor and call it Fact, not an opinion..you my friend are an idiot. Time to get a life


You aren't getting it. SB 10 hardest games extrapolated to 22 still wouldn't give them a Maryland strength of schedule. Guys like you have a tough time with statistics and facts. You like anecdotes and opinions. Fine. Here is a FACT. KO didn't win the Tewaaraton. Therefore, there is a committee of very knowledgable people that agreed that her all-time high point total was somehow not worthy of the award. There have been other very justifiable points made regarding her limited affect on other parts of the game, her poor ride (whoever said she would be a top defender is out of their mind) whatever. I chose to point out that very likely the committee was not as impressed were her point total given the very weak schedule she played, particularly given how strong her team is. The 4th ranked team in the country playing the 21st toughest schedule in a sport where after the top 15 or so teams there is a pretty big drop-off makes a difference. They played teams ranked so far down (UVM???) that it is almost embarrassing. And you will say that they are in their league, what are they supposed to do. I agree, but what you then do when you are evaluating her season-long performance, you adjust it to what it might look like if she played a schedule like other top 5 teams did. And that what was done here. And she doesn't win the Tewaaraton. Too bad.
with all that said, you can blame JS for being such a pariah amongst the rest of the coaches. You can say they will not play SB because there scared, but in truth they don't have to play sb, sb needs to play them, and when you're a [lacrosse] to every coach and obnoxious like he is he hurts his team, and the same players he says he loves. 11 of the top 15 will not play SB as long as JS is like the way he is, thats his fault. Get used to it. No T award winner for you, stop blaming everyone els and blame the person responsible.

Please explain or give examples of what he does to other that makes him such a pariah.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.



Great illustration. i will take it a step further. Before i start, let it be known that I think KO is a GREAT player. One of the best if not the best offensive player in the country. That being said, giving her the Tewaaraton to her is like giving a Designated hitter the MVP in MLB. It just isn't justified. If you take the previous post into account regarding the points, you also have to take into account that JS leaves his studs on in blow outs longer than any coach I have seen. This also contributes to the huge amount of points. In addition the philosophy that points should be the biggest factor determining this award is downright silly. There are many aspects of the game which contribute to a teams success. If you look at ZS and KO in the other facets of the game, it really isn't close. Therefore I think the right decision was made (from someone who has no love for Maryland Lax). KO had 15 gb's 3 DC's 7 ct's and 40 to's. Those numbers are not very good to say the least. Throw in the fact that she is not very good in the ride and the picture becomes more clear. as for ZS she had 84 pts. as a middie (very good) 74 DC's (she didn't take the draw), 27 CT's and only 21 TO's. She also was great in the clearing game and played great defense. In addition she did all of this against a much tougher schedule and her team WON. They both are great players but KO only effects one part of the game and ZS controls the whole game! Congrats to both ion a great season!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.


HAHA, add in a .85 MD factor and call it Fact, not an opinion..you my friend are an idiot. Time to get a life


You aren't getting it. SB 10 hardest games extrapolated to 22 still wouldn't give them a Maryland strength of schedule. Guys like you have a tough time with statistics and facts. You like anecdotes and opinions. Fine. Here is a FACT. KO didn't win the Tewaaraton. Therefore, there is a committee of very knowledgable people that agreed that her all-time high point total was somehow not worthy of the award. There have been other very justifiable points made regarding her limited affect on other parts of the game, her poor ride (whoever said she would be a top defender is out of their mind) whatever. I chose to point out that very likely the committee was not as impressed were her point total given the very weak schedule she played, particularly given how strong her team is. The 4th ranked team in the country playing the 21st toughest schedule in a sport where after the top 15 or so teams there is a pretty big drop-off makes a difference. They played teams ranked so far down (UVM???) that it is almost embarrassing. And you will say that they are in their league, what are they supposed to do. I agree, but what you then do when you are evaluating her season-long performance, you adjust it to what it might look like if she played a schedule like other top 5 teams did. And that what was done here. And she doesn't win the Tewaaraton. Too bad.



If Trainer did not win it last year then no attacker ever should!!!
Dominated the draw in first year taking them!!! And, was best offensive player in ACC the toughest conference in the game


Now you are talking. Treanor is hands down better than KO. If someone wants to argue with that they have zero idea of what they are talking about. So you are correct, there is a biased towards the do-everything middie. I'm fine with that. I agree, a great attacker is fun to watch, the best middie in the game is usually more valuable.



Spot on!

Traenor was a much better player than Cummings Cummings had a much better teams around her Fact ! Cathy Reese runs that committee and screwed Kayla. Maryland supporters all try to hide her manipulation of this award
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The thing EVERYONE is missing is out opinions mean nothing . The criteria or desires of the people picking this are all that matter. If they want a certain type player over another that's the criteria. I.e. Mid vs attck


The opinions of CR you mean. Lolol. It's over let's turn the page
Great group of seniors at the North South game today in Maryland. Awesome weather and some great games. Sorry to everyone if this was a positive post
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.


HAHA, add in a .85 MD factor and call it Fact, not an opinion..you my friend are an idiot. Time to get a life


You aren't getting it. SB 10 hardest games extrapolated to 22 still wouldn't give them a Maryland strength of schedule. Guys like you have a tough time with statistics and facts. You like anecdotes and opinions. Fine. Here is a FACT. KO didn't win the Tewaaraton. Therefore, there is a committee of very knowledgable people that agreed that her all-time high point total was somehow not worthy of the award. There have been other very justifiable points made regarding her limited affect on other parts of the game, her poor ride (whoever said she would be a top defender is out of their mind) whatever. I chose to point out that very likely the committee was not as impressed were her point total given the very weak schedule she played, particularly given how strong her team is. The 4th ranked team in the country playing the 21st toughest schedule in a sport where after the top 15 or so teams there is a pretty big drop-off makes a difference. They played teams ranked so far down (UVM???) that it is almost embarrassing. And you will say that they are in their league, what are they supposed to do. I agree, but what you then do when you are evaluating her season-long performance, you adjust it to what it might look like if she played a schedule like other top 5 teams did. And that what was done here. And she doesn't win the Tewaaraton. Too bad.
with all that said, you can blame JS for being such a pariah amongst the rest of the coaches. You can say they will not play SB because there scared, but in truth they don't have to play sb, sb needs to play them, and when you're a [lacrosse] to every coach and obnoxious like he is he hurts his team, and the same players he says he loves. 11 of the top 15 will not play SB as long as JS is like the way he is, thats his fault. Get used to it. No T award winner for you, stop blaming everyone els and blame the person responsible.




Agree with this. Cocky attitude and sense of entitlement is the SB downfall. They act all blue collar and underdog, but in reality, JS thinks he is a God. Reality has hit. Take a clue and try a little humility SB
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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If Trainer did not win it last year then no attacker ever should!!!
Dominated the draw in first year taking them!!! And, was best offensive player in ACC the toughest conference in the game


Now you are talking. Treanor is hands down better than KO. If someone wants to argue with that they have zero idea of what they are talking about. So you are correct, there is a biased towards the do-everything middie. I'm fine with that. I agree, a great attacker is fun to watch, the best middie in the game is usually more valuable.[/quote]

finally some voices of reason.

Hmmmm....more like voices that agree with you
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No not just him. Trainor was several levels better than KO. Not in the same atmosphere. And still got hosed for the

Great comparison.
if you think cr or js care what anyone thinks you are crazy. they get off on being loathed
Women’s Tewaaraton Award Committee:

Feffie Barnhill, Chair
John Battaglino, University at Albany
Amy Bokker, Stanford University
Laura Brand-Sias, Rutgers University
Mike Faith, Franklin and Marshall College
Laura Field, Fairfield University
Ricky Fried, Georgetown University
Jenny Graap, Cornell University
Christine Halfpenny, University of Notre Dame
Heather Holt, Old Dominion University
Alex Kahoe, St. Joseph’s University
Kerstin Kimel, Duke University
Sonia Lamonica, Towson University
Meghan McNamara, LIU Post
Amanda O’Leary, University of Florida
Cathy Reese, University of Maryland
Liz Robertshaw, Boston University
Janine Tucker, Johns Hopkins University
I guess KO should not have acted like a thug in the Hopkins game , zero chance they want that representing women's lax .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.



Great illustration. i will take it a step further. Before i start, let it be known that I think KO is a GREAT player. One of the best if not the best offensive player in the country. That being said, giving her the Tewaaraton to her is like giving a Designated hitter the MVP in MLB. It just isn't justified. If you take the previous post into account regarding the points, you also have to take into account that JS leaves his studs on in blow outs longer than any coach I have seen. This also contributes to the huge amount of points. In addition the philosophy that points should be the biggest factor determining this award is downright silly. There are many aspects of the game which contribute to a teams success. If you look at ZS and KO in the other facets of the game, it really isn't close. Therefore I think the right decision was made (from someone who has no love for Maryland Lax). KO had 15 gb's 3 DC's 7 ct's and 40 to's. Those numbers are not very good to say the least. Throw in the fact that she is not very good in the ride and the picture becomes more clear. as for ZS she had 84 pts. as a middie (very good) 74 DC's (she didn't take the draw), 27 CT's and only 21 TO's. She also was great in the clearing game and played great defense. In addition she did all of this against a much tougher schedule and her team WON. They both are great players but KO only effects one part of the game and ZS controls the whole game! Congrats to both ion a great season!


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great group of seniors at the North South game today in Maryland. Awesome weather and some great games. Sorry to everyone if this was a positive post





Great way for these kids to end their collegiate careers and I must say the venue at uslacrosse is very impressive
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is going back to LaValle (Long Island) in the best interest of the women's game after playing at Gillete with the men? The men are playing at Gillette again.



if you need to play solo play at Hofstra or Rutgers so you draw from tri state area and not at the east end of LI. the sport just doesn't want to expand the tent!



Thoughts on a neutral site quarterfinal double header like they do in men's. think it would be great for women's lacrosse
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great group of seniors at the North South game today in Maryland. Awesome weather and some great games. Sorry to everyone if this was a positive post





Great way for these kids to end their collegiate careers and I must say the venue at uslacrosse is very impressive


The venue is nice but seating for under 500 seems a bit small. Yes there is some standing room space but still seems like it would be difficult to hold any significant games there.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great group of seniors at the North South game today in Maryland. Awesome weather and some great games. Sorry to everyone if this was a positive post





Great way for these kids to end their collegiate careers and I must say the venue at uslacrosse is very impressive


The venue is nice but seating for under 500 seems a bit small. Yes there is some standing room space but still seems like it would be difficult to hold any significant games there.




I think this was designed to help some D3 D2 teams and has also provided a neutral site facility to host
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I guess KO should not have acted like a thug in the Hopkins game , zero chance they want that representing women's lax .



I saw some of the game not all. what did she do that was so offensive??
Wow, how does dopey Thorn blow that game? Absolutely terrible coaching! And what was she even thinking putting an 8th grader in goal?? Terrible
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow, how does dopey Thorn blow that game? Absolutely terrible coaching! And what was she even thinking putting an 8th grader in goal?? Terrible
why is this on a college thread?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great group of seniors at the North South game today in Maryland. Awesome weather and some great games. Sorry to everyone if this was a positive post





Great way for these kids to end their collegiate careers and I must say the venue at uslacrosse is very impressive


The venue is nice but seating for under 500 seems a bit small. Yes there is some standing room space but still seems like it would be difficult to hold any significant games there.




I think this was designed to help some D3 D2 teams and has also provided a neutral site facility to host


I agre the few division 1 games that have been there have been packed nearly to capacity think armospheres like that are better for the game. Like that being the site for the North South games
With the new rules coming in and recruiting season about to begin. What Is the consensus on the impact to the volume of coaches out on the trail this summer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Posted this on another thread. Probably belongs over here.

KO is a great player. The points totals are not the whole story though. Last year's 100 goal scorer proves that. I don't think anyone would argue that CM should have been in the "best player in the game" argument last year. Now KO is different. She IS one of the best players in the game. But the point totals put up against a decent, but not great, schedule, should not be the only determinant.

Here is a breakdown. and yes this matters:

Stony Brook played 22 games. 12 of the games were against weaker opponents. Many ranked well down in the rankings. In those 12 games KO had 46 goals and 57 assists = 103 points = 8.6 points/game.

In the 10 games against tough opponents (including Albany twice which is a stretch), KO had 31 goals and 29 assists. Still very, very good numbers, but the average drops to 6 points a game split evenly between goals and assists.

Now, if you compare the "tough games" by SB to a Maryland, UNC or NU schedule, for examples, the game quality still does not measure up. So there is still one more level of difficulty in schedule that KO still didn't play.

But extrapolating the 6 points a game for KO to a full schedule somewhat more representative of the #4 team in the country, KO still puts up an amazing 132 points. 68 goals and 64 assists. Fantastic numbers by anyone's account, but not record-breaking and now much more debatable relative to the Tewaaraton.

Add-in a Maryland schedule adjustment factor of say .85 to that final total to account for what is still a schedule difficulty disparity, and you end up at 112 points. 58 goals and 54 assists.

So there you have it, KO is a great player. she benefits statistically a great deal by playing a weaker schedule than top players on other teams. Fact, not opinion.



Great illustration. i will take it a step further. Before i start, let it be known that I think KO is a GREAT player. One of the best if not the best offensive player in the country. That being said, giving her the Tewaaraton to her is like giving a Designated hitter the MVP in MLB. It just isn't justified. If you take the previous post into account regarding the points, you also have to take into account that JS leaves his studs on in blow outs longer than any coach I have seen. This also contributes to the huge amount of points. In addition the philosophy that points should be the biggest factor determining this award is downright silly. There are many aspects of the game which contribute to a teams success. If you look at ZS and KO in the other facets of the game, it really isn't close. Therefore I think the right decision was made (from someone who has no love for Maryland Lax). KO had 15 gb's 3 DC's 7 ct's and 40 to's. Those numbers are not very good to say the least. Throw in the fact that she is not very good in the ride and the picture becomes more clear. as for ZS she had 84 pts. as a middie (very good) 74 DC's (she didn't take the draw), 27 CT's and only 21 TO's. She also was great in the clearing game and played great defense. In addition she did all of this against a much tougher schedule and her team WON. They both are great players but KO only effects one part of the game and ZS controls the whole game! Congrats to both ion a great season!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow, how does dopey Thorn blow that game? Absolutely terrible coaching! And what was she even thinking putting an 8th grader in goal?? Terrible
why is this on a college thread?


Yes great question
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With the new rules coming in and recruiting season about to begin. What Is the consensus on the impact to the volume of coaches out on the trail this summer.

look on the IWLCA website at the college coaches attending for example the New England Cup next weekend - Not so many D1...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Kylie is a heck of an athlete. Should not hold it against her that she is "just plays attack". You can put her on midfield and she'd still be a beast on both sides of the field. Heck, put her on defense and she'd still be an All American. Also, we always have to read about SB's weak schedule. Yes, they have a few softer teams but they're against teams in their Conference. They played Florida, USC, NW, Hopkins, Towson, Jacksonville.....and Maryland. Only a handful of teams at the most can make an argument that their schedule is tougher. And we all agree they're aren't too many teams in the country that can ever sniff at the winning the title......SB is one of them and will certainty be in the mix next year. She should have won the award. Other girls are great.....but none had a better individual performance than Kylie. Not trying to make any SB/YJ hater into a lover. Go ahead and keep hating. But to think anybody other than Kylie should have won last night, is just a hater and will keep coming up with formulas and or slanders against a girl they pretend to know in order to make their case. She should have won it but we'll all get over it. Years from now fans will remember her not winning it rather than the girl that won it. Next year will be fun.

My kid played for the YJ and I am a SB supporter. If you think Kylie would be a greta midfielder you are just completely delusional! She is a great player. Feeder/scorer. If she would be that good why doesn't JS use her in other areas?
She has a killer instinct but the skillset required for Middies is 1000x more

Just the running alone would disqualify most of the best attack players out there

She is a great player but she also plays a position where coaches hide players
Originally Posted by Anonymous
She has a killer instinct but the skillset required for Middies is 1000x more

Just the running alone would disqualify most of the best attack players out there

She is a great player but she also plays a position where coaches hide players


The hide players tells me you are really ignorant of college lacrosse, its not PAL. The best offensive players in the game and in the games history play that position .I would say some of them could have been great middies but you never want to take them off the field so they play attack.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
With the new rules coming in and recruiting season about to begin. What Is the consensus on the impact to the volume of coaches out on the trail this summer.

look on the IWLCA website at the college coaches attending for example the New England Cup next weekend - Not so many D1...


There will be less volume of coaches this summer. Some schools are so far ahead of these new rules. Even schools that wait to commit players have 2019 classes committed
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Kylie is a heck of an athlete. Should not hold it against her that she is "just plays attack". You can put her on midfield and she'd still be a beast on both sides of the field. Heck, put her on defense and she'd still be an All American. Also, we always have to read about SB's weak schedule. Yes, they have a few softer teams but they're against teams in their Conference. They played Florida, USC, NW, Hopkins, Towson, Jacksonville.....and Maryland. Only a handful of teams at the most can make an argument that their schedule is tougher. And we all agree they're aren't too many teams in the country that can ever sniff at the winning the title......SB is one of them and will certainty be in the mix next year. She should have won the award. Other girls are great.....but none had a better individual performance than Kylie. Not trying to make any SB/YJ hater into a lover. Go ahead and keep hating. But to think anybody other than Kylie should have won last night, is just a hater and will keep coming up with formulas and or slanders against a girl they pretend to know in order to make their case. She should have won it but we'll all get over it. Years from now fans will remember her not winning it rather than the girl that won it. Next year will be fun.

My kid played for the YJ and I am a SB supporter. If you think Kylie would be a greta midfielder you are just completely delusional! She is a great player. Feeder/scorer. If she would be that good why doesn't JS use her in other areas?

Maybe he will next year with CM coming back but why mess with perfection. She is the D1 Attacker of the year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
With the new rules coming in and recruiting season about to begin. What Is the consensus on the impact to the volume of coaches out on the trail this summer.

look on the IWLCA website at the college coaches attending for example the New England Cup next weekend - Not so many D1...


There will be less volume of coaches this summer. Some schools are so far ahead of these new rules. Even schools that wait to commit players have 2019 classes committed

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Kylie is a heck of an athlete. Should not hold it against her that she is "just plays attack". You can put her on midfield and she'd still be a beast on both sides of the field. Heck, put her on defense and she'd still be an All American. Also, we always have to read about SB's weak schedule. Yes, they have a few softer teams but they're against teams in their Conference. They played Florida, USC, NW, Hopkins, Towson, Jacksonville.....and Maryland. Only a handful of teams at the most can make an argument that their schedule is tougher. And we all agree they're aren't too many teams in the country that can ever sniff at the winning the title......SB is one of them and will certainty be in the mix next year. She should have won the award. Other girls are great.....but none had a better individual performance than Kylie. Not trying to make any SB/YJ hater into a lover. Go ahead and keep hating. But to think anybody other than Kylie should have won last night, is just a hater and will keep coming up with formulas and or slanders against a girl they pretend to know in order to make their case. She should have won it but we'll all get over it. Years from now fans will remember her not winning it rather than the girl that won it. Next year will be fun.

My kid played for the YJ and I am a SB supporter. If you think Kylie would be a greta midfielder you are just completely delusional! She is a great player. Feeder/scorer. If she would be that good why doesn't JS use her in other areas?

Maybe he will next year with CM coming back but why mess with perfection. She is the D1 Attacker of the year.


She doesn't even re defend well. Why would you think she would be great at defense? She didn't even play midfield on a terrible High School team. Stick with the argument that she is the most dominant scorer and feeder (which she is). If not , there is no argument!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
She has a killer instinct but the skillset required for Middies is 1000x more

Just the running alone would disqualify most of the best attack players out there

She is a great player but she also plays a position where coaches hide players


The hide players tells me you are really ignorant of college lacrosse, its not PAL. The best offensive players in the game and in the games history play that position .I would say some of them could have been great middies but you never want to take them off the field so they play attack.


You aren't hiding the greats don't get confused but where at the college level do coaches STILL hide players in lopsided games? Answer is on Attack. With rosters of 30 or more there are still tons of girls that need to be hidden
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
She has a killer instinct but the skillset required for Middies is 1000x more

Just the running alone would disqualify most of the best attack players out there

She is a great player but she also plays a position where coaches hide players


The hide players tells me you are really ignorant of college lacrosse, its not PAL. The best offensive players in the game and in the games history play that position .I would say some of them could have been great middies but you never want to take them off the field so they play attack.


Maybe, just not her. She is a joke on the ride. Not a middie at all, and would be a terrible defender.
You can tell how bad KO was robbed by the over the top reactions and all of the people of MD nation trying to defend the choice for the T Award. Not just the fans but all the players and former players and former MD T Award winners feel the need to take to social media trying to justify it........pretty much says it all. Never, ever in the history of the Award have we ever seen anything like this.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
With the new rules coming in and recruiting season about to begin. What Is the consensus on the impact to the volume of coaches out on the trail this summer.

look on the IWLCA website at the college coaches attending for example the New England Cup next weekend - Not so many D1...


There will be less volume of coaches this summer. Some schools are so far ahead of these new rules. Even schools that wait to commit players have 2019 classes committed


So for my 2020 daughter, this summer iwlca circuit doesn't seem that intense at all. Maybe is will heat up in the fall for the 2020's but it looks like for now the coaches are staying at their own camps.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can tell how bad KO was robbed by the over the top reactions and all of the people of MD nation trying to defend the choice for the T Award. Not just the fans but all the players and former players and former MD T Award winners feel the need to take to social media trying to justify it........pretty much says it all. Never, ever in the history of the Award have we ever seen anything like this.


I think it's you who is over the top. You keep trying so hard to justify this robbery theory you cooked up that you are unable to recognize valid arguments against it. I am not from MD either.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
She has a killer instinct but the skillset required for Middies is 1000x more

Just the running alone would disqualify most of the best attack players out there

She is a great player but she also plays a position where coaches hide players


The hide players tells me you are really ignorant of college lacrosse, its not PAL. The best offensive players in the game and in the games history play that position .I would say some of them could have been great middies but you never want to take them off the field so they play attack.


You aren't hiding the greats don't get confused but where at the college level do coaches STILL hide players in lopsided games? Answer is on Attack. With rosters of 30 or more there are still tons of girls that need to be hidden


^^^ What, there are no women playing college lacrosse that need to get 'hidden' on attack.. that's just dumb. I guess Maryland was hiding Megan Whittle on attack the past two years,
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
With the new rules coming in and recruiting season about to begin. What Is the consensus on the impact to the volume of coaches out on the trail this summer.

look on the IWLCA website at the college coaches attending for example the New England Cup next weekend - Not so many D1...


There will be less volume of coaches this summer. Some schools are so far ahead of these new rules. Even schools that wait to commit players have 2019 classes committed


So for my 2020 daughter, this summer iwlca circuit doesn't seem that intense at all. Maybe is will heat up in the fall for the 2020's but it looks like for now the coaches are staying at their own camps.

yes
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can tell how bad KO was robbed by the over the top reactions and all of the people of MD nation trying to defend the choice for the T Award. Not just the fans but all the players and former players and former MD T Award winners feel the need to take to social media trying to justify it........pretty much says it all. Never, ever in the history of the Award have we ever seen anything like this.


Wrong! Many people were up in arms that Kayla Traenor didn't win it! She checked alotmore boxes than KO. This isn't something unusual. Not many attackers have won this award, especially ones that lost in the quarter finals.
2016 Taylor Cummings Midfield University of Maryland
2015 Taylor Cummings Midfield University of Maryland
2014 Taylor Cummings Midfield University of Maryland
2013 Katie Schwarzmann Midfield University of Maryland
2012 Katie Schwarzmann Midfield University of Maryland
2011 Shannon Smith Attack Northwestern University
2010 Caitlyn McFadden Midfield University of Maryland
2009 Hannah Nielsen Midfield Northwestern University
2008 Hannah Nielsen Midfield Northwestern University
2007 Kristen Kjellman Midfield Northwestern University
2006 Kristen Kjellman Midfield Northwestern University
2005 Katie Chrest Attack Duke University
2004 Amy Appelt Midfield University of Virginia
2003 Rachael Becker Defense Princeton University
2002 Erin Elbe Attack Georgetown University
2001 Jen Adams Attack University of Maryland
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can tell how bad KO was robbed by the over the top reactions and all of the people of MD nation trying to defend the choice for the T Award. Not just the fans but all the players and former players and former MD T Award winners feel the need to take to social media trying to justify it........pretty much says it all. Never, ever in the history of the Award have we ever seen anything like this.


Wrong! Many people were up in arms that Kayla Traenor didn't win it! She checked alotmore boxes than KO. This isn't something unusual. Not many attackers have won this award, especially ones that lost in the quarter finals.



Kayla not winning last year is the biggest mistake ever. TO not winning doesnt compare. Conversation is over if KT didnt win last year we should not even discuss this year.
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2016 Taylor Cummings Midfield University of Maryland
2015 Taylor Cummings Midfield University of Maryland
2014 Taylor Cummings Midfield University of Maryland
2013 Katie Schwarzmann Midfield University of Maryland
2012 Katie Schwarzmann Midfield University of Maryland
2011 Shannon Smith Attack Northwestern University
2010 Caitlyn McFadden Midfield University of Maryland
2009 Hannah Nielsen Midfield Northwestern University
2008 Hannah Nielsen Midfield Northwestern University
2007 Kristen Kjellman Midfield Northwestern University
2006 Kristen Kjellman Midfield Northwestern University
2005 Katie Chrest Attack Duke University
2004 Amy Appelt Midfield University of Virginia
2003 Rachael Becker Defense Princeton University
2002 Erin Elbe Attack Georgetown University
2001 Jen Adams Attack University of Maryland


surprised at how many 2x winners. they don't spread it around do they?
some action in the College Coaches ranks --

U Mich. hires Hannah Nielsen

Bucknell makes a change (horrible season too much to over look??)

Yale coach rumored to be moving on.. just rumor don't go crazy

Villanova coach going nowhere much to many peoples dismay..
Yale coach?
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Yale coach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
some action in the College Coaches ranks --

U Mich. hires Hannah Nielsen

Bucknell makes a change (horrible season too much to over look??)

Yale coach rumored to be moving on.. just rumor don't go crazy

Villanova coach going nowhere much to many peoples dismay..


Monmouth looking as well.
Schools like Monmouth don't pay which makes it tough to stay. She is following her husband to his new job which has to pay better.. Tough to live in the East on $40k or more
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Schools like Monmouth don't pay which makes it tough to stay. She is following her husband to his new job which has to pay better.. Tough to live in the East on $40k or more


all the more reason delaying early verbals was a good thing because after the top 5 schools coaches are changing every year and when you committed as an 8th grader lots of times the coach you make the deal with isnt there 5 years later
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2016 Taylor Cummings Midfield University of Maryland
2015 Taylor Cummings Midfield University of Maryland
2014 Taylor Cummings Midfield University of Maryland
2013 Katie Schwarzmann Midfield University of Maryland
2012 Katie Schwarzmann Midfield University of Maryland
2011 Shannon Smith Attack Northwestern University
2010 Caitlyn McFadden Midfield University of Maryland
2009 Hannah Nielsen Midfield Northwestern University
2008 Hannah Nielsen Midfield Northwestern University
2007 Kristen Kjellman Midfield Northwestern University
2006 Kristen Kjellman Midfield Northwestern University
2005 Katie Chrest Attack Duke University
2004 Amy Appelt Midfield University of Virginia
2003 Rachael Becker Defense Princeton University
2002 Erin Elbe Attack Georgetown University
2001 Jen Adams Attack University of Maryland


surprised at how many 2x winners. they don't spread it around do they?



Why spread it around? If someone is good enough to win it two times in a row then let it be. It's dumb to think just because someone won it already, but are still the best the following year they shouldn't get it again.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
some action in the College Coaches ranks --

U Mich. hires Hannah Nielsen

Bucknell makes a change (horrible season too much to over look??)

Yale coach rumored to be moving on.. just rumor don't go crazy

Villanova coach going nowhere much to many peoples dismay..


Hofstra will see movement...
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Originally Posted by Antonymous
some action in the College Coaches ranks --

U Mich. hires Hannah Nielsen

Bucknell makes a change (horrible season too much to over look??)

Yale coach rumored to be moving on.. just rumor don't go crazy

Villanova coach going nowhere much to many peoples dismay..


Hofstra will see movement...


Oh, give it a rest already. So repetitious. <yawn>
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2016 Taylor Cummings Midfield University of Maryland
2015 Taylor Cummings Midfield University of Maryland
2014 Taylor Cummings Midfield University of Maryland
2013 Katie Schwarzmann Midfield University of Maryland
2012 Katie Schwarzmann Midfield University of Maryland
2011 Shannon Smith Attack Northwestern University
2010 Caitlyn McFadden Midfield University of Maryland
2009 Hannah Nielsen Midfield Northwestern University
2008 Hannah Nielsen Midfield Northwestern University
2007 Kristen Kjellman Midfield Northwestern University
2006 Kristen Kjellman Midfield Northwestern University
2005 Katie Chrest Attack Duke University
2004 Amy Appelt Midfield University of Virginia
2003 Rachael Becker Defense Princeton University
2002 Erin Elbe Attack Georgetown University
2001 Jen Adams Attack University of Maryland


surprised at how many 2x winners. they don't spread it around do they?



Why spread it around? If someone is good enough to win it two times in a row then let it be. It's dumb to think just because someone won it already, but are still the best the following year they shouldn't get it again.


I agree, there is no way that any of those girls is clearly better than any in the top 5-10. Should be no 2x winners.
More top teams and more T winners would be good in growing the sport
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More top teams and more T winners would be good in growing the sport



I don't think the power structure of w lacrosse is too concerned about growing the game. I think they are perfectly happy playing in front of 75 fans with virtually no televised games . Versus about a dozen a few years ago. Otherwise they would make some changes..
Wish I could see all these silly posts from US Lacrosse about the womans team stop. The team is a joke. When you have to open US Lacrosse magazine and see Kelly Rabil, who hasn't done crap in years, while players like KO are cut, makes the whole thing a farce. Barf!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wish I could see all these silly posts from US Lacrosse about the womans team stop. The team is a joke. When you have to open US Lacrosse magazine and see Kelly Rabil, who hasn't done crap in years, while players like KO are cut, makes the whole thing a farce. Barf!


Kelly Rabil can still run rings around that girl. Plus she's very pretty and that counts for a lot- however you feel about that intellectually it's a fact. That team is stock piled with speed and athleticism and just runs opponents into the ground historically. They have Tumulo and Traynor for the flashy plays so all set with that..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wish I could see all these silly posts from US Lacrosse about the womans team stop. The team is a joke. When you have to open US Lacrosse magazine and see Kelly Rabil, who hasn't done crap in years, while players like KO are cut, makes the whole thing a farce. Barf!


Kelly Rabil can still run rings around that girl. Plus she's very pretty and that counts for a lot- however you feel about that intellectually it's a fact. That team is stock piled with speed and athleticism and just runs opponents into the ground historically. They have Tumulo and Traynor for the flashy plays so all set with that..


Pretty?? Ewww, and she's not the only one who doesn't deserve to be on the team!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wish I could see all these silly posts from US Lacrosse about the womans team stop. The team is a joke. When you have to open US Lacrosse magazine and see Kelly Rabil, who hasn't done crap in years, while players like KO are cut, makes the whole thing a farce. Barf!


Kelly Rabil can still run rings around that girl. Plus she's very pretty and that counts for a lot- however you feel about that intellectually it's a fact. That team is stock piled with speed and athleticism and just runs opponents into the ground historically. They have Tumulo and Traynor for the flashy plays so all set with that..


Pretty?? Ewww, and she's not the only one who doesn't deserve to be on the team!


Oh well just give Coach Fried a call! Sure he needs some good advice from a major expert like you!! Add some value, knock yourself out..
Any coaching updates??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wish I could see all these silly posts from US Lacrosse about the womans team stop. The team is a joke. When you have to open US Lacrosse magazine and see Kelly Rabil, who hasn't done crap in years, while players like KO are cut, makes the whole thing a farce. Barf!


Kelly Rabil can still run rings around that girl. Plus she's very pretty and that counts for a lot- however you feel about that intellectually it's a fact. That team is stock piled with speed and athleticism and just runs opponents into the ground historically. They have Tumulo and Traynor for the flashy plays so all set with that..


Pretty?? Ewww, and she's not the only one who doesn't deserve to be on the team!


Oh well just give Coach Fried a call! Sure he needs some good advice from a major expert like you!! Add some value, knock yourself out..



Coach Fried is a buffoon.
Heard the monmouth girls were very surprised by coach leaving. What a shame. Next question is will some girls move on?
New rules,
1- Only the 6 mid-fielders allowed between the restraining lines during draw
2- if shot is taken before, or at whistle, goal or save counts
3- (most important in IMHO) free movement on minor fouls, all players allowed to move but ball must be still with 2 meter bubble, if more than 3 fouls occurs in transition, before ball crosses offensive restraining line, 1st offense warning, second offense 1 minuet penalty ( the Joe Spallina rule )
4- after 4th yellow 2 minuet unreleasable (Joe Spallina rule 2.0)
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New rules,
1- Only the 6 mid-fielders allowed between the restraining lines during draw
2- if shot is taken before, or at whistle, goal or save counts
3- (most important in IMHO) free movement on minor fouls, all players allowed to move but ball must be still with 2 meter bubble, if more than 3 fouls occurs in transition, before ball crosses offensive restraining line, 1st offense warning, second offense 1 minuet penalty ( the Joe Spallina rule )
4- after 4th yellow 2 minuet unreleasable (Joe Spallina rule 2.0)


I always do enjoy a good minuet.
The draw to me could be interesting if refs call it right. Both sticks parallel to center line and within the four inch center line. Not tilted down below knees(even though rule already states not below waist it was never called) or tilted way up, or leaned back.

This could be a big rule change if they watch it and call it.

The one part of draw they have to get rid of is going up. Why not them draw down, or to side. If I am short going against someone tall why do I want to draw up.

Hope fully that will come.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
New rules,
1- Only the 6 mid-fielders allowed between the restraining lines during draw
2- if shot is taken before, or at whistle, goal or save counts
3- (most important in IMHO) free movement on minor fouls, all players allowed to move but ball must be still with 2 meter bubble, if more than 3 fouls occurs in transition, before ball crosses offensive restraining line, 1st offense warning, second offense 1 minuet penalty ( the Joe Spallina rule )
4- after 4th yellow 2 minuet unreleasable (Joe Spallina rule 2.0)


Will preface this by saying my daughter plays for SB and SB only had two games w more than one yellow card and one was vs Maryland. So my investigative instincts sense your daughter plays on Maryland.
As far as the rules.
1. Love draw rule
2. I think I'm ok w shooting rule worry about refs being able to make that decision
3. Don't like free movement.
4. Doesn't happen ( unless you play CR and her employees ). Just kiddding and all kidding aside happened against us three times and one time (last game) we would of been on other end

Hope everyone is enjoying their summer. Fall is coming Hoping this thread stays as positive.

Now as far as the rule changes
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yale coach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
some action in the College Coaches ranks --

U Mich. hires Hannah Nielsen

Bucknell makes a change (horrible season too much to over look??)

Yale coach rumored to be moving on.. just rumor don't go crazy

Villanova coach going nowhere much to many peoples dismay..


Monmouth looking as well.

Anything with Monmouthor Bucknell
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
New rules,
1- Only the 6 mid-fielders allowed between the restraining lines during draw
2- if shot is taken before, or at whistle, goal or save counts
3- (most important in IMHO) free movement on minor fouls, all players allowed to move but ball must be still with 2 meter bubble, if more than 3 fouls occurs in transition, before ball crosses offensive restraining line, 1st offense warning, second offense 1 minuet penalty ( the Joe Spallina rule )
4- after 4th yellow 2 minuet unreleasable (Joe Spallina rule 2.0)


Will preface this by saying my daughter plays for SB and SB only had two games w more than one yellow card and one was vs Maryland. So my investigative instincts sense your daughter plays on Maryland.
As far as the rules.
1. Love draw rule
2. I think I'm ok w shooting rule worry about refs being able to make that decision
3. Don't like free movement.
4. Doesn't happen ( unless you play CR and her employees ). Just kiddding and all kidding aside happened against us three times and one time (last game) we would of been on other end

Hope everyone is enjoying their summer. Fall is coming Hoping this thread stays as positive.

Now as far as the rule changes
Joe Spallina rule 3.0 - 3 second violation back to being a free position, I think all the rules are fantastic,
- Enough with the freeze tag aspect of woman lacrosse, stopping everyone on the smallest violation was just silly. It let the defense recover from bad play and punished the offense

- with 22 players charging the ball every draw it looked like a cluster f@#k, and was dangerous. let the mid-fielders fight it out it's safer

-how many times have we seen a meaningful goal or fantastic save erased because of some minor foul or bad call. It's not like the shots weren't being taken so let the result stand

- lets be real, if your team commits 4 yellows you deserve to sit for a full 2

- the 3 second rule will stop the clogging of the 8 , but needs to be called correctly

- and allow these woman to run and set up there attack, it was the D that committed the foul so let everyone move on the penalty, it will quicken the pace of the game and is fare to the offense.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yale coach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
some action in the College Coaches ranks --

U Mich. hires Hannah Nielsen

Bucknell makes a change (horrible season too much to over look??)

Yale coach rumored to be moving on.. just rumor don't go crazy

Villanova coach going nowhere much to many peoples dismay..


Monmouth looking as well.

Anything with Monmouthor Bucknell


Monmouth: Jordan Trautman. Former head coach at Kean
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yale coach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
some action in the College Coaches ranks --

U Mich. hires Hannah Nielsen

Bucknell makes a change (horrible season too much to over look??)

Yale coach rumored to be moving on.. just rumor don't go crazy

Villanova coach going nowhere much to many peoples dismay..


Monmouth looking as well.

Anything with Monmouthor Bucknell


Monmouth: Jordan Trautman. Former head coach at Kean


She has a good background but a big jump. Notice she doesn't have to relocate. Mid level womens coaches get paid nothing. Its a shame
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yale coach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
some action in the College Coaches ranks --

U Mich. hires Hannah Nielsen

Bucknell makes a change (horrible season too much to over look??)

Yale coach rumored to be moving on.. just rumor don't go crazy

Villanova coach going nowhere much to many peoples dismay..


Monmouth looking as well.

Anything with Monmouthor Bucknell


Monmouth: Jordan Trautman. Former head coach at Kean


She has a good background but a big jump. Notice she doesn't have to relocate. Mid level womens coaches get paid nothing. Its a shame


If she does well, it's a stepping stone to a more lucrative job.
What's Monmouth around #50 i'm guessing? There is the top 10 and then everyone else who don't make enough to keep their lights on especially in cities. $40k and some camps is ok but its not a career. Pay them!
She recruited my daughter at Kean , the only reason my daughter kept it on her list of schools was the coach. She was awesome, a great recruiter.That is why you don't pick a school for the coach only.
Good luck to her and Monmouth.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
She recruited my daughter at Kean , the only reason my daughter kept it on her list of schools was the coach. She was awesome, a great recruiter.That is why you don't pick a school for the coach only.
Good luck to her and Monmouth.


Where did your daughter wind up? Farmingdale State?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
She recruited my daughter at Kean , the only reason my daughter kept it on her list of schools was the coach. She was awesome, a great recruiter.That is why you don't pick a school for the coach only.
Good luck to her and Monmouth.


Where did your daughter wind up? Farmingdale State?
What a DIC*** must be a YJ. god forbid someone look to play D3
I have a question regarding college eligibility.

Does Fall Ball count towards a player's 4 years of NCAA eligibility? Does anyone know where to check/confirm?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have a question regarding college eligibility.

Does Fall Ball count towards a player's 4 years of NCAA eligibility? Does anyone know where to check/confirm?


No, playing a fall ball game does not count as playing a season.. ie if you play a full fall ball this year and then get hurt during the spring preseason and get a redshirt you get that year back..you can also play fall ball and transfer schools, ( with the previous coaches permission) and can play for another team that spring
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have a question regarding college eligibility.

Does Fall Ball count towards a player's 4 years of NCAA eligibility? Does anyone know where to check/confirm?


No, playing a fall ball game does not count as playing a season.. ie if you play a full fall ball this year and then get hurt during the spring preseason and get a redshirt you get that year back..you can also play fall ball and transfer schools, ( with the previous coaches permission) and can play for another team that spring


Thank you
I saw an Inside Lacrosse article stating that nine players have transferred out of Louisville. Remember a year or two ago when there was outrage about the coach's alleged treatment of her players? Interesting times. I'm glad my daughter is not involved with that program.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have a question regarding college eligibility.

Does Fall Ball count towards a player's 4 years of NCAA eligibility? Does anyone know where to check/confirm?


No, playing a fall ball game does not count as playing a season.. ie if you play a full fall ball this year and then get hurt during the spring preseason and get a redshirt you get that year back..you can also play fall ball and transfer schools, ( with the previous coaches permission) and can play for another team that spring


Wrong one fall ball second of playing time counts as season.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have a question regarding college eligibility.

Does Fall Ball count towards a player's 4 years of NCAA eligibility? Does anyone know where to check/confirm?


No, playing a fall ball game does not count as playing a season.. ie if you play a full fall ball this year and then get hurt during the spring preseason and get a redshirt you get that year back..you can also play fall ball and transfer schools, ( with the previous coaches permission) and can play for another team that spring


Wrong one fall ball second of playing time counts as season.


Correct. From the NCAA page, which does not make it easy to find this information.

Redshirt: In Divisions I or II, redshirting refers to someone who is enrolled full-time at a school, but does not play for an entire academic year for the sole purpose of saving a season of competition. A redshirt does not play in any college games or scrimmage in a given sport for an entire academic year, even though that student is otherwise eligible. If you do not play in a sport the entire academic year, you have not used a season of competition. However, if you play in even one second of a game as a college student-athlete, you are not a redshirt. Redshirting does not exist in Division III because if you play or practice after your first opportunity to compete, you are charged with a season of participation.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have a question regarding college eligibility.

Does Fall Ball count towards a player's 4 years of NCAA eligibility? Does anyone know where to check/confirm?


No, playing a fall ball game does not count as playing a season.. ie if you play a full fall ball this year and then get hurt during the spring preseason and get a redshirt you get that year back..you can also play fall ball and transfer schools, ( with the previous coaches permission) and can play for another team that spring


Wrong one fall ball second of playing time counts as season.


Correct. From the NCAA page, which does not make it easy to find this information.

Redshirt: In Divisions I or II, redshirting refers to someone who is enrolled full-time at a school, but does not play for an entire academic year for the sole purpose of saving a season of competition. A redshirt does not play in any college games or scrimmage in a given sport for an entire academic year, even though that student is otherwise eligible. If you do not play in a sport the entire academic year, you have not used a season of competition. However, if you play in even one second of a game as a college student-athlete, you are not a redshirt. Redshirting does not exist in Division III because if you play or practice after your first opportunity to compete, you are charged with a season of participation.


Incorrect. This rule was just changed to exclude fall ball. That is the reason that Danita Stroup at Northwestern was just made eligible for a 5th year. The rule change is retroactive for all current players' eligibility windows.
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I saw an Inside Lacrosse article stating that nine players have transferred out of Louisville. Remember a year or two ago when there was outrage about the coach's alleged treatment of her players? Interesting times. I'm glad my daughter is not involved with that program.


Just read the article on IL and Lacrosse Magazine. 9 players is a tough loss to any program. Especially starters and contributing players and All Americans. Where does the program go now?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have a question regarding college eligibility.

Does Fall Ball count towards a player's 4 years of NCAA eligibility? Does anyone know where to check/confirm?


No, playing a fall ball game does not count as playing a season.. ie if you play a full fall ball this year and then get hurt during the spring preseason and get a redshirt you get that year back..you can also play fall ball and transfer schools, ( with the previous coaches permission) and can play for another team that spring


Wrong one fall ball second of playing time counts as season.


Correct. From the NCAA page, which does not make it easy to find this information.

Redshirt: In Divisions I or II, redshirting refers to someone who is enrolled full-time at a school, but does not play for an entire academic year for the sole purpose of saving a season of competition. A redshirt does not play in any college games or scrimmage in a given sport for an entire academic year, even though that student is otherwise eligible. If you do not play in a sport the entire academic year, you have not used a season of competition. However, if you play in even one second of a game as a college student-athlete, you are not a redshirt. Redshirting does not exist in Division III because if you play or practice after your first opportunity to compete, you are charged with a season of participation.


Incorrect. This rule was just changed to exclude fall ball. That is the reason that Danita Stroup at Northwestern was just made eligible for a 5th year. The rule change is retroactive for all current players' eligibility windows.



Had heard that but couldn't find it written anywhere.

Redshirt: In Divisions I or II, redshirting refers to someone who is enrolled full-time at a school, but does not play for an entire academic year for the sole purpose of saving a season of competition. A redshirt does not play in any college games or scrimmage in a given sport for an entire academic year, even though that student is otherwise eligible. If you do not play in a sport the entire academic year, you have not used a season of competition. However, if you play in even one second of a game as a college student-athlete, you are not a redshirt. Redshirting does not exist in Division III because if you play or practice after your first opportunity to compete, you are charged with a season of participation.
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Incorrect. This rule was just changed to exclude fall ball. That is the reason that Danita Stroup at Northwestern was just made eligible for a 5th year. The rule change is retroactive for all current players' eligibility windows.[/quote]


Had heard that but couldn't find it written anywhere. [/quote]

Part of press release from NU dated 7/5/2017:

"Prior to transferring to Northwestern, Stroup competed in two dates of competition during the 2014 fall non-championship segment for Long Island University. Even though she did not represent LIU during the regular season in 2015, competition in the fall segment previously constituted a season of competition under NCAA rules.

However, NCAA Proposal 2017-12, adopted by the NCAA Division I Council last week, changes the way fall competition counts for lacrosse student-athletes and applies retroactively for students in their five-year eligibility period, allowing Stroup to recapture the season of competition previously used in 2014-15."
I was at a Philly HHH camp a few weeks ago where college coaches actually coached there commit players all on same team. Is it a coincidence all commits were at same camp? SB, NW, Lehigh, Loyola, layfette to name a few. I guess by putting a " token " player on each team it becomes a ok? I have never seen this before.
Is the above post within the rules for college coaches to do? Coach their committed team at an outside event?
My final year of following the 2013 women lacrosse class and the playing time associated with the class.

As expected not much of a change from last year with 45% of 2013 commits playing significant time for their respective teams. 62% of commits remained on the roster for their teams with the additional players representing very limited minutes. The 45% falls just below the national average of 48% but the 62% falls above the national average of 53%.

It's been an exhausting enterprise to track but I believe very useful for those looking at schools for academics plus lacrosse. Half the girls looking t schools plus lacrosse will not be playing by their senior year. It is a useful reminder to set priorities.

HALF OF THE GIRLS won't be playing by their senior year. That fact is lost on way too many parents as they push their kids into bad fits .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HALF OF THE GIRLS won't be playing by their senior year. That fact is lost on way too many parents as they push their kids into bad fits .



Valuable information, thank you!
Interesting article on D3 sports. Read the comments too.

https://www.insidehighered***


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interesting article on D3 sports. Read the comments too.

https://www.insidehighered***




D3 lacrosse is very competitive in the top twenty, much more so than D2. The educational opportunities in D3 are great and competitive as well. NESCAC lacrosse is the class of D3 with Gettysburg, Franklin & Marshall, Washington & Lee and others joining in. These are academically competitive and influential schools after graduation with great alumni networks. Check out US Lacrosse magazines latest issue and the article on the myth of the lacrosse "free ride". If you have a smart daughter there is more money at the D3 level in many cases!
There is a great lax / school / social balance playing competitive D3. My daughter played D3 and it was wonderful. Played at the school she wanted to attend, took the major she wanted, coaches worked around her schedule and if she missed for school commits she wasn't banished. She also didn't have the 4 hour a day commit like her travel teammates have at their D1's. Roster was in the mid 20's and she played a ton.

My daughter had schools in the bottom half of D1 as options with about a .20 athletic offer. IN hindsight in worked out great. My only advice is do whats best for your daughter and not what mom, dad and their club director want
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is a great lax / school / social balance playing competitive D3. My daughter played D3 and it was wonderful. Played at the school she wanted to attend, took the major she wanted, coaches worked around her schedule and if she missed for school commits she wasn't banished. She also didn't have the 4 hour a day commit like her travel teammates have at their D1's. Roster was in the mid 20's and she played a ton.

My daughter had schools in the bottom half of D1 as options with about a .20 athletic offer. IN hindsight in worked out great. My only advice is do whats best for your daughter and not what mom, dad and their club director want


20 offers, good one...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is a great lax / school / social balance playing competitive D3. My daughter played D3 and it was wonderful. Played at the school she wanted to attend, took the major she wanted, coaches worked around her schedule and if she missed for school commits she wasn't banished. She also didn't have the 4 hour a day commit like her travel teammates have at their D1's. Roster was in the mid 20's and she played a ton.

My daughter had schools in the bottom half of D1 as options with about a .20 athletic offer. IN hindsight in worked out great. My only advice is do whats best for your daughter and not what mom, dad and their club director want


20 offers, good one...


Maybe you should read it again you a$$
I think the poster meant 20% offer
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is a great lax / school / social balance playing competitive D3. My daughter played D3 and it was wonderful. Played at the school she wanted to attend, took the major she wanted, coaches worked around her schedule and if she missed for school commits she wasn't banished. She also didn't have the 4 hour a day commit like her travel teammates have at their D1's. Roster was in the mid 20's and she played a ton.

My daughter had schools in the bottom half of D1 as options with about a .20 athletic offer. IN hindsight in worked out great. My only advice is do whats best for your daughter and not what mom, dad and their club director want


20 offers, good one...


read it again.. the poster said she had a 20 % athletic scholarship offer from several D1 schools
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is a great lax / school / social balance playing competitive D3. My daughter played D3 and it was wonderful. Played at the school she wanted to attend, took the major she wanted, coaches worked around her schedule and if she missed for school commits she wasn't banished. She also didn't have the 4 hour a day commit like her travel teammates have at their D1's. Roster was in the mid 20's and she played a ton.

My daughter had schools in the bottom half of D1 as options with about a .20 athletic offer. IN hindsight in worked out great. My only advice is do whats best for your daughter and not what mom, dad and their club director want


20 offers, good one...

it's .20 offer....aka 20% offer. You'll catch up.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is a great lax / school / social balance playing competitive D3. My daughter played D3 and it was wonderful. Played at the school she wanted to attend, took the major she wanted, coaches worked around her schedule and if she missed for school commits she wasn't banished. She also didn't have the 4 hour a day commit like her travel teammates have at their D1's. Roster was in the mid 20's and she played a ton.

My daughter had schools in the bottom half of D1 as options with about a .20 athletic offer. IN hindsight in worked out great. My only advice is do whats best for your daughter and not what mom, dad and their club director want


20 offers, good one...


Maybe you should read it again you a$$


No way she had 20 offers
Typical block head lacrosse dads. Come on guys you are giving the rest of us a bad name. The best offers she got was for 20% and the schools were in the bottom half of D1. She chose D3 and was very happy.

Carry on bashing anyone that doesn't go to Maryland, UNC or an Ivy
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Typical block head lacrosse dads. Come on guys you are giving the rest of us a bad name. The best offers she got was for 20% and the schools were in the bottom half of D1. She chose D3 and was very happy.

Carry on bashing anyone that doesn't go to Maryland, UNC or an Ivy


That was a false equivalency right there. Lower D1 offers so choose D3 means had no chance to play at Maryland, UNC or Ivies. This young lady wasn't a good enough lax player to play at those schools obviously. No biggie. I'll bet LOTS of money if she could play at Princeton or Harvard, that post would have been very different.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Typical block head lacrosse dads. Come on guys you are giving the rest of us a bad name. The best offers she got was for 20% and the schools were in the bottom half of D1. She chose D3 and was very happy.

Carry on bashing anyone that doesn't go to Maryland, UNC or an Ivy


Ivy's are good schools but no athletic scholarship money.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Typical block head lacrosse dads. Come on guys you are giving the rest of us a bad name. The best offers she got was for 20% and the schools were in the bottom half of D1. She chose D3 and was very happy.

Carry on bashing anyone that doesn't go to Maryland, UNC or an Ivy


That was a false equivalency right there. Lower D1 offers so choose D3 means had no chance to play at Maryland, UNC or Ivies. This young lady wasn't a good enough lax player to play at those schools obviously. No biggie. I'll bet LOTS of money if she could play at Princeton or Harvard, that post would have been very different.


You may be right as there is not really enough in the post to determine but grades do play a part in the process as well.
I think it was about choosing to play D3 for reasons that fit for them regardless if there were offers to play the bottom of D1 with athletic money. Poster never said she was a top lax player but she was a travel player.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Typical block head lacrosse dads. Come on guys you are giving the rest of us a bad name. The best offers she got was for 20% and the schools were in the bottom half of D1. She chose D3 and was very happy.

Carry on bashing anyone that doesn't go to Maryland, UNC or an Ivy


That was a false equivalency right there. Lower D1 offers so choose D3 means had no chance to play at Maryland, UNC or Ivies. This young lady wasn't a good enough lax player to play at those schools obviously. No biggie. I'll bet LOTS of money if she could play at Princeton or Harvard, that post would have been very different.


I'll bet you'd lose that bet, you [lacrosse]. Finally got a realistic parent who encouraged his/her daughter to do the right thing for her (emphasis on "for her") and you assume she would have preferred an Ivy.

THE SCHOLARSHIP MYTH LAX MAGAZINE

https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/colle...hip-myth-dont-be-fooled-by-the-full-ride
Originally Posted by Anonymous


WOW GREAT ARTICLE
Only half of D1 schools are fully funded
The ratio of lax girls getting athletic money is 48-1
82% of D3 players get academic aid
The average D3 player gets 17K
The average D1 athletic offer is $14k (less)
The average D1 athletic award is 20%
There is way more money in academics
And what they also don't say is that early verbal's usually start at 20% and can go up once player proves themselves. So the full ride BS is just that BS.just like the article says
Thxs..great article!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


WOW GREAT ARTICLE
Only half of D1 schools are fully funded
The ratio of lax girls getting athletic money is 48-1
82% of D3 players get academic aid
The average D3 player gets 17K
The average D1 athletic offer is $14k (less)
The average D1 athletic award is 20%
There is way more money in academics


Thanks for pointing out that 14 is less than 17.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thxs..great article!


Old news...we've already beat that horse for the last ten years...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thxs..great article!


Old news...we've already beat that horse for the last ten years...


Yes but there are Parents who still don't get it
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


WOW GREAT ARTICLE
Only half of D1 schools are fully funded
The ratio of lax girls getting athletic money is 48-1
82% of D3 players get academic aid
The average D3 player gets 17K
The average D1 athletic offer is $14k (less)
The average D1 athletic award is 20%
There is way more money in academics


Straw man argument. Funny....You seem to forget to add the academic money and the athletic award given to many lax players male or female. If your going to push your agenda please cite all the facts. Don't just cherry pick the facts you like.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


WOW GREAT ARTICLE
Only half of D1 schools are fully funded
The ratio of lax girls getting athletic money is 48-1
82% of D3 players get academic aid
The average D3 player gets 17K
The average D1 athletic offer is $14k (less)
The average D1 athletic award is 20%
There is way more money in academics


Straw man argument. Funny....You seem to forget to add the academic money and the athletic award given to many lax players male or female. If your going to push your agenda please cite all the facts. Don't just cherry pick the facts you like.


Keep looking through those rose colored glasses. Rainbows, unicorns and full rides are everywhere!!
So thousands of girls play high school on Long Island each year and we are talking about 25 girls going to top 20 programs. Sounds about right
Your numbers are slightly off. Thousands of girls is an exaggeration the number is probably closers to 1500 which if you divide by 4 for each grade is really less than 400. The number of top 20 recruits is around 40 per year . 10% is a pretty good percentage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Typical block head lacrosse dads. Come on guys you are giving the rest of us a bad name. The best offers she got was for 20% and the schools were in the bottom half of D1. She chose D3 and was very happy.

Carry on bashing anyone that doesn't go to Maryland, UNC or an Ivy


That was a false equivalency right there. Lower D1 offers so choose D3 means had no chance to play at Maryland, UNC or Ivies. This young lady wasn't a good enough lax player to play at those schools obviously. No biggie. I'll bet LOTS of money if she could play at Princeton or Harvard, that post would have been very different.


I'll bet you'd lose that bet, you [lacrosse]. Finally got a realistic parent who encouraged his/her daughter to do the right thing for her (emphasis on "for her") and you assume she would have preferred an Ivy.


Missing the point Mr. DB. She didn't have the choice, because she wasn't a good enough player. So the line "Carry on bashing anyone that doesn't go to Maryland, UNC or an Ivy" was off-base and typical criticism of those whose kid can't cut it at that level of play. They encouraged their daughter to pick D3 over bottom of D1, a good choice very likely. Glad to hear it worked well for her. She would have preferred an Ivy, guaranteed, and mommy and daady wished she was good enough to play at one.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And what they also don't say is that early verbal's usually start at 20% and can go up once player proves themselves. So the full ride BS is just that BS.just like the article says


Thanks for just making stuff up , such a douchbag. Please tell us 1 parent who has come on this site and said their kid is getting a full ride .Your kid most likely sucks so you have to make up nonsense to make yourself feel better .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


WOW GREAT ARTICLE
Only half of D1 schools are fully funded
The ratio of lax girls getting athletic money is 48-1
82% of D3 players get academic aid
The average D3 player gets 17K
The average D1 athletic offer is $14k (less)
The average D1 athletic award is 20%
There is way more money in academics


Straw man argument. Funny....You seem to forget to add the academic money and the athletic award given to many lax players male or female. If your going to push your agenda please cite all the facts. Don't just cherry pick the facts you like.


Keep looking through those rose colored glasses. Rainbows, unicorns and full rides are everywhere!!

If your kid could get into Stanford, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Penn, Duke, Navy, John's Hopkins, Georgetown, Army, Colgate, Davidson, Richmond, Lehigh, Berkeley, BC, William and Mary or other great academic institutions because they had talent at lacrosse AND worked hard in the classroom, would you think that was a good thing? What if your kid loved the sport and wanted a great education?? It isn't all about a full ride. It's about young women who have drive and passion, that work hard, learn teamwork and leadership, and go on to become well-rounded, well-educated leaders in our society. You can keep having disdain for others who are successful while they pass you and your kid by.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


WOW GREAT ARTICLE
Only half of D1 schools are fully funded
The ratio of lax girls getting athletic money is 48-1
82% of D3 players get academic aid
The average D3 player gets 17K
The average D1 athletic offer is $14k (less)
The average D1 athletic award is 20%
There is way more money in academics


Straw man argument. Funny....You seem to forget to add the academic money and the athletic award given to many lax players male or female. If your going to push your agenda please cite all the facts. Don't just cherry pick the facts you like.


Keep looking through those rose colored glasses. Rainbows, unicorns and full rides are everywhere!!

If your kid could get into Stanford, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Penn, Duke, Navy, John's Hopkins, Georgetown, Army, Colgate, Davidson, Richmond, Lehigh, Berkeley, BC, William and Mary or other great academic institutions because they had talent at lacrosse AND worked hard in the classroom, would you think that was a good thing? What if your kid loved the sport and wanted a great education?? It isn't all about a full ride. It's about young women who have drive and passion, that work hard, learn teamwork and leadership, and go on to become well-rounded, well-educated leaders in our society. You can keep having disdain for others who are successful while they pass you and your kid by.


No doubt but I think the point is there are far more kids playing low level D1, D2 or D3 than at the institutions you list above. Realistic voices are scarce on this board. Seems there are more kids playing at LIU Brooklyn than at A+ schools listed above. If your daughter is, congratulations!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


WOW GREAT ARTICLE
Only half of D1 schools are fully funded
The ratio of lax girls getting athletic money is 48-1
82% of D3 players get academic aid
The average D3 player gets 17K
The average D1 athletic offer is $14k (less)
The average D1 athletic award is 20%
There is way more money in academics


Straw man argument. Funny....You seem to forget to add the academic money and the athletic award given to many lax players male or female. If your going to push your agenda please cite all the facts. Don't just cherry pick the facts you like.


Keep looking through those rose colored glasses. Rainbows, unicorns and full rides are everywhere!!



Again you have proved my point. When confronted with facts and/or alternatives to your agenda you resort to writing nonsense. You cherry picked some unsubstantiated facts and used them to help your agenda driven argument. Many girls/guys in D1 and D2 receive both academic and athletic awards that amount to more than the $17K you site as the average D3 award. D3 is a good choice for many players and $17K is a substantial amount. But you seem to want to degrade other players who are looking to play at D1 or D2 with cherry picked information. Have a great day
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


WOW GREAT ARTICLE
Only half of D1 schools are fully funded
The ratio of lax girls getting athletic money is 48-1
82% of D3 players get academic aid
The average D3 player gets 17K
The average D1 athletic offer is $14k (less)
The average D1 athletic award is 20%
There is way more money in academics


Straw man argument. Funny....You seem to forget to add the academic money and the athletic award given to many lax players male or female. If your going to push your agenda please cite all the facts. Don't just cherry pick the facts you like.


Keep looking through those rose colored glasses. Rainbows, unicorns and full rides are everywhere!!



Again you have proved my point. When confronted with facts and/or alternatives to your agenda you resort to writing nonsense. You cherry picked some unsubstantiated facts and used them to help your agenda driven argument. Many girls/guys in D1 and D2 receive both academic and athletic awards that amount to more than the $17K you site as the average D3 award. D3 is a good choice for many players and $17K is a substantial amount. But you seem to want to degrade other players who are looking to play at D1 or D2 with cherry picked information. Have a great day
But the article and conversation is about the myth of a full athletic ride in lacrosse, not a partial with help from academics. You want to twist the meaning to suit your agenda, probably because you're one of the ones spouting the myth to begin with. Quite simply there are very few to no full athletic scholarships for mens or woman lacrosse. most athletic lacrosse scholarships are around the 20% or lower mark. if your kid then receives grants, loans or academic scholarships and you add them together then you are blessed, but to then say that your kid received a full athletic ride makes you a lier.
I'm sure the facts are accurate in this article but the fact remains that full 100% athletic scholarships for lacrosse do exist on the women's side. It is incredibly rare but they do exist. The statistic is probably something like 1 in 500 players but they do exist whether you want to believe it or not. Even this article uses words like "rare" and "unlikely" to describe the likelihood of getting one. For every rare case of a full athletic scholarship there are probably 100 players getting nothing.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm sure the facts are accurate in this article but the fact remains that full 100% athletic scholarships for lacrosse do exist on the women's side. It is incredibly rare but they do exist. The statistic is probably something like 1 in 500 players but they do exist whether you want to believe it or not. Even this article uses words like "rare" and "unlikely" to describe the likelihood of getting one. For every rare case of a full athletic scholarship there are probably 100 players getting nothing.


Yup. First hand knowledge, let's define: full athletic rides exist, as do slapped together full rides scrounging cash from whatever means necessary to get there. For 99% of players headed off to play college, you are correct, it is not a full ride. People must think their kids are the top players in the country and are offended by the idea that someone else's kid got the offer that their kid never did. As I read all these posts from naysayers, it makes me feel better and better about the offers my kid received.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm sure the facts are accurate in this article but the fact remains that full 100% athletic scholarships for lacrosse do exist on the women's side. It is incredibly rare but they do exist. The statistic is probably something like 1 in 500 players but they do exist whether you want to believe it or not. Even this article uses words like "rare" and "unlikely" to describe the likelihood of getting one. For every rare case of a full athletic scholarship there are probably 100 players getting nothing.


Fair, you are probably right for every 1 D1 full ride there are probably 100 D1 roster players getting zero
Time to get the college talk going. The season is right around the corner. What teams will improve from last year? Which will fall back? My predictions:

Teams on the rise: (At least relative to last year)

Northwestern (Top 6 team this year)
Duke (Should make the NCAAs?)
USC (Continues to improve)

Moving down:

Notre Dame (just not that good)
BC (If no Kent)
SB (3 second rule back to major foul. Big deal for them.)
It’s Maryland , UNC, Florida in that order then the rest .I agree NW will be better. USC I think takes a step back but coaches are very good . Stony Brook will be right in the mix , best coach in the game.
SB defense will take a step backward and not be as solid in years past. SB offense will make up the difference with 3 stud attackers - it will tough to contain all three. Florida always gets great players but the coaching stinks and they'll continue to stumble when it matters because of it. Maryland/UNC nothing surprising, they'll be amazing as always. How is Cuse looking this year? I saw Gait had them doing box lacrosse indoors over the winter.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s Maryland , UNC, Florida in that order then the rest .I agree NW will be better. USC I think takes a step back but coaches are very good . Stony Brook will be right in the mix , best coach in the game.


Florida just never gets there. Won't again this year.
I'll take UNC and Maryland, you can have everybody else. I agree with comment above some teams just wont ever get to the top for a variety of reasons but big game coaching is definitely an issue at some schools where they should have won already.

JS can definitely coach in the big game but he is always playing on the edge of the rules. Some of the changes had him in mind. If he gets to the championship game his coaching wont lose them the game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s Maryland , UNC, Florida in that order then the rest .I agree NW will be better. USC I think takes a step back but coaches are very good . Stony Brook will be right in the mix , best coach in the game.


Florida just never gets there. Won't again this year.


Such a shame. Good school. Top-notch athletes. Coach who does nothing with it. With those kids, you can roll a ball out and get coffee and they'll win most of their games for you. But on a rare game that they need coaching, they might as well leave at the half and catch an early flight.
Strong teams on the outside looking in:

Penn State
Syracuse
Penn


Final 8

Northwestern
Maryland
Florida
North Carolina
Stony Brook
Boston College
USC
Princeton

Final 4

Northwestrn
Maryland
Florida
North Carolina
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Strong teams on the outside looking in:

Penn State
Syracuse
Penn


Final 8

Northwestern
Maryland
Florida
North Carolina
Stony Brook
Boston College
USC
Princeton

Final 4

Northwestrn
Maryland
Florida
North Carolina



I like your list. What's up with the Big Orange again? No excuse why him and his 50 player roster shouldn't be higher. Lots of disappointing years for them lately
Possibly not the correct thread but you all seem very knowledgeable. For D1, when an athlete receives an offer of say 20% or 30% athletic $, is that 20% off the entire cost or just tuition? For example, CollegeA is 50K a year in all (tuition, room, board, fees). For the sake of argument, tuition only is 25k. If you receive a 20% offer, is that 20% of 50K, or 20% of 25k (tuition only). Is it a standard thing or does it vary by school ? Any insight ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Possibly not the correct thread but you all seem very knowledgeable. For D1, when an athlete receives an offer of say 20% or 30% athletic $, is that 20% off the entire cost or just tuition? For example, CollegeA is 50K a year in all (tuition, room, board, fees). For the sake of argument, tuition only is 25k. If you receive a 20% offer, is that 20% of 50K, or 20% of 25k (tuition only). Is it a standard thing or does it vary by school ? Any insight ?


Lacrosse is an "Equivalency" Sport. If The program is fully funded they will have 12 dollar equivalent scholarships. What that means is 12 x "the total cost to attend the university. Example: if the total coast to attend (tuition , room, board, books etc...) is $55,000 the coach would have 12 x $55,000 = $66,000 to divide up how they see fit.

So in reality the coach offers a dollar amount which can then be expressed as a percentage of the total cost to attend.

Athletic scholarships can not be combined with need based aid. They can however be combined with merit based "academic" aid/scholarship.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Possibly not the correct thread but you all seem very knowledgeable. For D1, when an athlete receives an offer of say 20% or 30% athletic $, is that 20% off the entire cost or just tuition? For example, CollegeA is 50K a year in all (tuition, room, board, fees). For the sake of argument, tuition only is 25k. If you receive a 20% offer, is that 20% of 50K, or 20% of 25k (tuition only). Is it a standard thing or does it vary by school ? Any insight ?


Schools are given 12.something Scholarships. They are full scholarships (soup to nuts). It is my understand if you get 50% scholarship for 60K school you get 30K. Unless there are other academic money you would pay the other half.

That is why Stony Brook has advantage for Suffolk girls. 50% scholarship with a girl living at home is a pretty good situation financially.

Others may correct me if I am wrong on this, but I am pretty sure that is how it works.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Strong teams on the outside looking in:

Penn State
Syracuse
Penn


Final 8

Northwestern
Maryland
Florida
North Carolina
Stony Brook
Boston College
USC
Princeton

Final 4

Northwestrn
Maryland
Florida
North Carolina



I like your list. What's up with the Big Orange again? No excuse why him and his 50 player roster shouldn't be higher. Lots of disappointing years for them lately



I think this Penn State team will surprise....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Strong teams on the outside looking in:

Penn State
Syracuse
Penn


Final 8

Northwestern
Maryland
Florida
North Carolina
Stony Brook
Boston College
USC
Princeton

Final 4

Northwestrn
Maryland
Florida
North Carolina



I like your list. What's up with the Big Orange again? No excuse why him and his 50 player roster shouldn't be higher. Lots of disappointing years for them lately



I think this Penn State team will surprise....


You are correct, I would be surprised if they don't tumble this year. Not the same without Lazo and were very overrated last year, had the golden seat handed to them for bracket seeding, and still were not close to getting it done. This year they will be much less competitive.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Strong teams on the outside looking in:

Penn State
Syracuse
Penn


Final 8

Northwestern
Maryland
Florida
North Carolina
Stony Brook
Boston College
USC
Princeton

Final 4

Northwestrn
Maryland
Florida
North Carolina



I like your list. What's up with the Big Orange again? No excuse why him and his 50 player roster shouldn't be higher. Lots of disappointing years for them lately



I think this Penn State team will surprise....


I would switch Syracuse and BC. Don't think BC makes it to final 8 especially if Kent doesn't play, unless they get a real easy draw.
Orange doesn't have a 50 player roster so check your fax. And most schools carry a roster of at least 40 so again check your facts
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Orange doesn't have a 50 player roster so check your fax. And most schools carry a roster of at least 40 so again check your facts


Orange has so many girls that some of them can't even suit up to sit on the bench. They sit in the stands.
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Orange doesn't have a 50 player roster so check your fax. And most schools carry a roster of at least 40 so again check your facts

They have 52 players on their current roster. Not a fax.....just fact.
BC building indoor facility that will be used for winter season as well. Suppose to be done by this fall. Great for players.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Orange doesn't have a 50 player roster so check your fax. And most schools carry a roster of at least 40 so again check your facts


Syracuse 44 on current roster most other top teams carry 32-34.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Orange doesn't have a 50 player roster so check your fax. And most schools carry a roster of at least 40 so again check your facts


orange had 51 in 2016...and wrong on most teams carry at least 40, most low 30s...check your facts...
BC-28
SB-33
NW-40
FLA-42
MD-36
UNC-34
CUSE-43
PENN STATE-34
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Orange doesn't have a 50 player roster so check your fax. And most schools carry a roster of at least 40 so again check your facts


Orange has so many girls that some of them can't even suit up to sit on the bench. They sit in the stands.


That's comical
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Orange doesn't have a 50 player roster so check your fax. And most schools carry a roster of at least 40 so again check your facts


Syracuse 44 on current roster most other top teams carry 32-34.


You are correct. Up until two years ago they were at 51 or more. Maybe Gait realized that wasn't working. Look for the fresh LI goalie to help
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Orange doesn't have a 50 player roster so check your fax. And most schools carry a roster of at least 40 so again check your facts


Syracuse 44 on current roster most other top teams carry 32-34.


You are correct. Up until two years ago they were at 51 or more. Maybe Gait realized that wasn't working. Look for the fresh LI goalie to help
She won't play with current goalie there
Pretty sure that roster size was not his doing or to his liking. Look for smaller recruiting classes
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I'll take UNC and Maryland, you can have everybody else. I agree with comment above some teams just wont ever get to the top for a variety of reasons but big game coaching is definitely an issue at some schools where they should have won already.

JS can definitely coach in the big game but he is always playing on the edge of the rules. Some of the changes had him in mind. If he gets to the championship game his coaching wont lose them the game.


he had maryland beat last year and somehow managed to lose the game...
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Pretty sure that roster size was not his doing or to his liking. Look for smaller recruiting classes



Exactly who is tell Gait who to put on his roster???
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I'll take UNC and Maryland, you can have everybody else. I agree with comment above some teams just wont ever get to the top for a variety of reasons but big game coaching is definitely an issue at some schools where they should have won already.

JS can definitely coach in the big game but he is always playing on the edge of the rules. Some of the changes had him in mind. If he gets to the championship game his coaching wont lose them the game.


he had maryland beat last year and somehow managed to lose the game...


Tell me again what big games he has coached in and won?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Orange doesn't have a 50 player roster so check your fax. And most schools carry a roster of at least 40 so again check your facts


Syracuse 44 on current roster most other top teams carry 32-34.


You are correct. Up until two years ago they were at 51 or more. Maybe Gait realized that wasn't working. Look for the fresh LI goalie to help


I think running lean and mean is better.
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I'll take UNC and Maryland, you can have everybody else. I agree with comment above some teams just wont ever get to the top for a variety of reasons but big game coaching is definitely an issue at some schools where they should have won already.

JS can definitely coach in the big game but he is always playing on the edge of the rules. Some of the changes had him in mind. If he gets to the championship game his coaching wont lose them the game.


he had maryland beat last year and somehow managed to lose the game...


Tell me again what big games he has coached in and won?


Let's see. I think SB has beaten every team at least once or more in the top 8 list except CUSE, MD, and UNC. How's that for a start? Pretty good on the D1 Wlax side. He's got a couple DII championships with Adelphi Wlax under his belt. Then we could look at the 2015 MLL championship. The inaugural youth WSYL championship and probably a few dozen more I'm not going to attempt to list. He's got his flaws, but coaching big games isn't one of them.
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I'll take UNC and Maryland, you can have everybody else. I agree with comment above some teams just wont ever get to the top for a variety of reasons but big game coaching is definitely an issue at some schools where they should have won already.

JS can definitely coach in the big game but he is always playing on the edge of the rules. Some of the changes had him in mind. If he gets to the championship game his coaching wont lose them the game.


he had maryland beat last year and somehow managed to lose the game...


Tell me again what big games he has coached in and won?


Let's see. I think SB has beaten every team at least once or more in the top 8 list except CUSE, MD, and UNC. How's that for a start? Pretty good on the D1 Wlax side. He's got a couple DII championships with Adelphi Wlax under his belt. Then we could look at the 2015 MLL championship. The inaugural youth WSYL championship and probably a few dozen more I'm not going to attempt to list. He's got his flaws, but coaching big games isn't one of them.




SB is at least 7 games below .500 in games against top 10 teams since JS took over
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I'll take UNC and Maryland, you can have everybody else. I agree with comment above some teams just wont ever get to the top for a variety of reasons but big game coaching is definitely an issue at some schools where they should have won already.

JS can definitely coach in the big game but he is always playing on the edge of the rules. Some of the changes had him in mind. If he gets to the championship game his coaching wont lose them the game.


he had maryland beat last year and somehow managed to lose the game...


Tell me again what big games he has coached in and won?


Let's see. I think SB has beaten every team at least once or more in the top 8 list except CUSE, MD, and UNC. How's that for a start? Pretty good on the D1 Wlax side. He's got a couple DII championships with Adelphi Wlax under his belt. Then we could look at the 2015 MLL championship. The inaugural youth WSYL championship and probably a few dozen more I'm not going to attempt to list. He's got his flaws, but coaching big games isn't one of them.


The question referred to "Big Games".

As for the list of 8 you are referencing which is really 7 since SB is one of the teams... Add Princeton to teams on that list that he has not beaten. He has beaten 3 of the 7 and never in the playoffs.

We are not talking about DII and that was a long time ago.

Are you really bringing up 11 year old boys games?

The MLL is glorified club lacrosse. Those players have day jobs and they do not practice the way a college team or even a HS team does. The players are all excellent but it is not exactly the NFL and coaching does not play a major roll.

Big Games

2012: Lost to Albany in playoffs (after beating them during the year)
2013: Lost to Maryland in NCAA
2014: Lost to Syracuse in NCAA
2015: Lost to Princeton in NCAA
2016: Lost to Syracuse in NCAA
2017: Lost to Maryland in NCAA

He has done a great job and is a good coach. Stony Brook has improved and their SOS has picked up the past couple of years but they have been over hyped and have under performed when playing top teams in the postseason.

Maybe this will be the year.
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I'll take UNC and Maryland, you can have everybody else. I agree with comment above some teams just wont ever get to the top for a variety of reasons but big game coaching is definitely an issue at some schools where they should have won already.

JS can definitely coach in the big game but he is always playing on the edge of the rules. Some of the changes had him in mind. If he gets to the championship game his coaching wont lose them the game.



he had maryland beat last year and somehow managed to lose the game...


Tell me again what big games he has coached in and won?


Let's see. I think SB has beaten every team at least once or more in the top 8 list except CUSE, MD, and UNC. How's that for a start? Pretty good on the D1 Wlax side. He's got a couple DII championships with Adelphi Wlax under his belt. Then we could look at the 2015 MLL championship. The inaugural youth WSYL championship and probably a few dozen more I'm not going to attempt to list. He's got his flaws, but coaching big games isn't one of them.


Youth Lacrosse ? A few dozen more? Oh, you need to get a grip. My daughters team won some summer tournaments as well. I think the even won a 7 v 7 indoors.
Please.
What's the skinny on the Albany coach stepping down?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'll take UNC and Maryland, you can have everybody else. I agree with comment above some teams just wont ever get to the top for a variety of reasons but big game coaching is definitely an issue at some schools where they should have won already.

JS can definitely coach in the big game but he is always playing on the edge of the rules. Some of the changes had him in mind. If he gets to the championship game his coaching wont lose them the game.


he had maryland beat last year and somehow managed to lose the game...


Tell me again what big games he has coached in and won?


Let's see. I think SB has beaten every team at least once or more in the top 8 list except CUSE, MD, and UNC. How's that for a start? Pretty good on the D1 Wlax side. He's got a couple DII championships with Adelphi Wlax under his belt. Then we could look at the 2015 MLL championship. The inaugural youth WSYL championship and probably a few dozen more I'm not going to attempt to list. He's got his flaws, but coaching big games isn't one of them.


The question referred to "Big Games".

As for the list of 8 you are referencing which is really 7 since SB is one of the teams... Add Princeton to teams on that list that he has not beaten. He has beaten 3 of the 7 and never in the playoffs.

We are not talking about DII and that was a long time ago.

Are you really bringing up 11 year old boys games?

The MLL is glorified club lacrosse. Those players have day jobs and they do not practice the way a college team or even a HS team does. The players are all excellent but it is not exactly the NFL and coaching does not play a major roll.

Big Games

2012: Lost to Albany in playoffs (after beating them during the year)
2013: Lost to Maryland in NCAA
2014: Lost to Syracuse in NCAA
2015: Lost to Princeton in NCAA
2016: Lost to Syracuse in NCAA
2017: Lost to Maryland in NCAA

He has done a great job and is a good coach. Stony Brook has improved and their SOS has picked up the past couple of years but they have been over hyped and have under performed when playing top teams in the postseason.

Maybe this will be the year.


This "lost to (fill in the blank) in NCAA" is pretty much the same for all teams in D1 except NC and MD, oh and NU years back.
where was Stony Brook before he got there? Did they even have a team?
Typical responses from some on this site. When presented with facts and reality that dispel their opinion they look to change the narrative or go on the attack.

The question was: "what big games has he coached in and won?".

Crickets...

He has the best offensive player in the country let's see what he does this year. But please stop the hype/spin machine.

Great coaches win in the postseason.
Wow someone worked hard on that research to be fair MLL is far from club lacrosse lol any Losses in the NCAA are all to great programs. Let’s be fair like him or not the job he has done there has been absolutely astonishing i have a few daughters and i remember when he took the position there being curious what type of turnaround as SB in my daughters conference was a bottom dweller. I’ll say this he does The most with the least especially knowing kids that have gone there and the way they leave.
Someone who hasn’t won and i would call out is Syracuse far more talented rosters and some of his melt downs on the sideline derailed his teams
I was the one that posted about BIG Game coaching and while SB has been building towards the top and has lost games in the NCAA to only the top programs in the history of the sport. Maryland Syracuse and Princeton that said they Need to take the next step. I believe they will be a great team this year and think that will be good for the sport to have new teams in the mix whether they win or not My comment was actually directed at the Florida coach ( tons of talent year after year and back to back HOME early playoff losses starting strong and tanking at the end and also Syracuse who has personally cost his team with sideline antics in the biggest of games. Believe these programs are entering pivotal years
Overall i challenge everyone to keep this tab positive. Great constructive conversations about the sport as opposed to disparaging remarks and nastiness.
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Wow someone worked hard on that research to be fair MLL is far from club lacrosse lol any Losses in the NCAA are all to great programs. Let’s be fair like him or not the job he has done there has been absolutely astonishing i have a few daughters and i remember when he took the position there being curious what type of turnaround as SB in my daughters conference was a bottom dweller. I’ll say this he does The most with the least especially knowing kids that have gone there and the way they leave.
Someone who hasn’t won and i would call out is Syracuse far more talented rosters and some of his melt downs on the sideline derailed his teams


I don't think anyone worked hard on any research, all info is there in a few clicks of the mouse. Guessing that they were talking about Club Lacrosse of yesteryear ie Long Island Lacrosse Club, NYAC, Mt Washington LC , Maryland LC etc... That is where the top college players used to play after college before the MLL.

Change the focus and go on the attack but never mind facts.

Nobody said he has not done a good job. Someone made a claim about his ability in big games. Someone then boasted about youth lacrosse,
WDII from a long time ago and The MLL.

The Program has come a long way as have all of the Athletic Programs at SBU over the past 10 years.

No problem with JS, just can't stand it when people can't admit reality.
Kind of like arguing with a liberal. Reality, facts and truth do not really matter to them. They change the narrative, and go on the attack.
What happened at Albany he Has been ther for an eternity and the timing of this is very difficult for that team that should be pretty good this season
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What happened at Albany he Has been ther for an eternity and the timing of this is very difficult for that team that should be pretty good this season


He heard there was an opening at USA Gymnastics
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where was Stony Brook before he got there? Did they even have a team?


i am not from LI but what Joe Spalina has done at SB is remarkable with homegrown talent. Amazing how people hate successful people. its because they have been losers all their life!
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where was Stony Brook before he got there? Did they even have a team?


i am not from LI but what Joe Spalina has done at SB is remarkable with homegrown talent. Amazing how people hate successful people. its because they have been losers all their life!


Good cheap school, terrible campus, really not close to anything exciting but is drawing from a ton of really good LI kids who want to stay home. SUNY Farmingdale does the same in D3 in all their sports. Lots of really good kids that stay home. Spallina just wins and wins at every level with multiple teams with both men and women. He's not a big fan of rulebooks but he wins. Should have coached for the football raiders
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where was Stony Brook before he got there? Did they even have a team?


i am not from LI but what Joe Spalina has done at SB is remarkable with homegrown talent. Amazing how people hate successful people. its because they have been losers all their life!

yeah it's pretty easy to win when you take the top talent. Go away braggart and stop kissing JS's butt, he doesn't deserve it.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
where was Stony Brook before he got there? Did they even have a team?


i am not from LI but what Joe Spalina has done at SB is remarkable with homegrown talent. Amazing how people hate successful people. its because they have been losers all their life!


Homegrown talent? its the 2nd best area in the country for lax.
The Happenings at Louisville, the Albany coach being let go at the 11th hour the McDonough HS coach stepping down right before spring some very interesting changes in the lacrosse world
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where was Stony Brook before he got there? Did they even have a team?


i am not from LI but what Joe Spalina has done at SB is remarkable with homegrown talent. Amazing how people hate successful people. its because they have been losers all their life!

yeah it's pretty easy to win when you take the top talent. Go away braggart and stop kissing JS's butt, he doesn't deserve it.


I am from LI i think that most people that know the landscaper know that whether you like him or not (i personally have grown to like him admittedly originally did not). He is NOT winning with the “best “ he is winning with kids that are not being heavily recruited and they are developing into some of the best kids. Based on your comments you probably dislike him from the boys side. Just wanted to point out the players part
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The Happenings at Louisville, the Albany coach being let go at the 11th hour the McDonough HS coach stepping down right before spring some very interesting changes in the lacrosse world


Scary
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where was Stony Brook before he got there? Did they even have a team?


i am not from LI but what Joe Spalina has done at SB is remarkable with homegrown talent. Amazing how people hate successful people. its because they have been losers all their life!

yeah it's pretty easy to win when you take the top talent. Go away braggart and stop kissing JS's butt, he doesn't deserve it.


Whats the matter your little Sally didn't get recruited? Enjoy watching her at Molloy College ..you loser
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where was Stony Brook before he got there? Did they even have a team?


i am not from LI but what Joe Spalina has done at SB is remarkable with homegrown talent. Amazing how people hate successful people. its because they have been losers all their life!


Not sure anyone has said anything about how they hate him. What I find amazing on this site is how people can not follow a discussion and how they love to ignore the truth and fats when they don't support their opinion or argument.

Try to follow:

- someone made a comment regarding JS's Big Game prowess.

- thee was a reply asking what big games has he coached inn and won? (assuming while at SBU)

- a response talked about beating a few good programs, distant DII Championships, Youth lacrosse and The MLL.

- there was then a post pointing out that although there have been a few wins vs traditional powers there really haven been any big wins in the postseason.

Nobody attacked him, simple facts were pointed out and those facts didn't jibe with what some want to believe. Take a look at any thread on this site, it is always the same story.

I think he is a very good coach and the program is doing great. However, I have read comments such "he is the best coach in the game". I think that is a bit of a stretch at this point. I will be pulling for him and SBU this year It would be great to see them in the final Four at Home.
I honestly don’t know how anybody can say anything negative about his lacrosse coaching skills. I have no connection with SB but watched him coach for years at both Adelphi and SB. NOBODY gets their team more prepared for the season than him. The only knock on SB is something they have no control over, their schedule is not competitive enough and that hurts them in the playoffs. Well, actually he also pads his players stats more in meaningless games then any other coach, but I’m sure the players love that.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
where was Stony Brook before he got there? Did they even have a team?


i am not from LI but what Joe Spalina has done at SB is remarkable with homegrown talent. Amazing how people hate successful people. its because they have been losers all their life!

yeah it's pretty easy to win when you take the top talent. Go away braggart and stop kissing JS's butt, he doesn't deserve it.


Whats the matter your little Sally didn't get recruited? Enjoy watching her at Molloy College ..you loser


Not the original poster but...

One thing that I hate about the lacrosse scene is the ELITIST attitude. What is wrong with a playing at Molloy and getting an education at Molloy. Those women at Molloy are playing a sport they love and going to school. They might not be working on Wall Street when they graduate, but many will be nurses, teachers, etc. to you and your grandchildren. The girls that play at Molloy, Post, Adelphi, etc. will end up being the backbone of America. Using anyone playing or watching their daughter at Molloy (on any other school in that manner) as a punch line makes you the loser.
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where was Stony Brook before he got there? Did they even have a team?


i am not from LI but what Joe Spalina has done at SB is remarkable with homegrown talent. Amazing how people hate successful people. its because they have been losers all their life!

yeah it's pretty easy to win when you take the top talent. Go away braggart and stop kissing JS's butt, he doesn't deserve it.


Whats the matter your little Sally didn't get recruited? Enjoy watching her at Molloy College ..you loser


Not the original poster but...

One thing that I hate about the lacrosse scene is the ELITIST attitude. What is wrong with a playing at Molloy and getting an education at Molloy. Those women at Molloy are playing a sport they love and going to school. They might not be working on Wall Street when they graduate, but many will be nurses, teachers, etc. to you and your grandchildren. The girls that play at Molloy, Post, Adelphi, etc. will end up being the backbone of America. Using anyone playing or watching their daughter at Molloy (on any other school in that manner) as a punch line makes you the loser.


Spot ON! it's this attitude that ruins the game.
We all know who the front runners are but who has the best chance to surprise?

Is there a coach out there who has what it takes to guide their team to the Final Four or at least the Elite Eight?

Not talking about...

Cathy Reese - Maryland
Jenny Levy - North Carolina
Kelly Amonte - Northwestern
Chris Sailer - Princeton
Cindy Timchal - Navy
Acacia Walker - Boston College
Gary Gait - Syracuse
Amanda O'leary - Florida
Missy Doherty - Penn State
Kerstin Kimel - Duke
Karin Corbett - Penn
Joe Spallina - Stony Brook

There are many aspects to coaching. Identifying talent, selecting assistants, recruiting, motivating players, game prep, in game decision making, personnel decisions etc...

Who has what it takes to consistently compete with the top coaches and programs?

Lindsey Munday - USC is doing a great job.

Who else? Can any other Coaches compete with the best?
Back to the college game...

Anyone see fall ball? What was the free movement like? sSeems to penalize the offense on a defensive foul by resetting the offensive player. Should just reset fouling defensive player to give offense a temporary man up.
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Back to the college game...

Anyone see fall ball? What was the free movement like? sSeems to penalize the offense on a defensive foul by resetting the offensive player. Should just reset fouling defensive player to give offense a temporary man up.
I don't agree. Free movement worked well and helped speed up the game. They need to work out the kinks and make it work smoother with the quick start, but I'm sure that will happen quickly. I see your point on penalizing the O on a D minor, but remember that sword cuts both ways, if an attacker is out of position she can now quickly adjust. I also love the three middies only on the draw, it makes it much cleaner. put this all together with the shot clock and the game is much better. I do think the clock should are at 60 to 70 seconds though.
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We all know who the front runners are but who has the best chance to surprise?

Is there a coach out there who has what it takes to guide their team to the Final Four or at least the Elite Eight?

Not talking about...

Cathy Reese - Maryland
Jenny Levy - North Carolina
Kelly Amonte - Northwestern
Chris Sailer - Princeton
Cindy Timchal - Navy
Acacia Walker - Boston College
Gary Gait - Syracuse
Amanda O'leary - Florida
Missy Doherty - Penn State
Kerstin Kimel - Duke
Karin Corbett - Penn
Joe Spallina - Stony Brook

There are many aspects to coaching. Identifying talent, selecting assistants, recruiting, motivating players, game prep, in game decision making, personnel decisions etc...

Who has what it takes to consistently compete with the top coaches and programs?

Lindsey Munday - USC is doing a great job.

Who else? Can any other Coaches compete with the best?





I Virgina and Notre Dame in there as well.
The schools listed are the ones that gobble up most of the talent so it makes it difficult for other coaches to compete with them on a regular basis.

Colorado Coach also doing a good job.
Notre Dame I don't agree w. She has had plenty of talent and not gotten anywhere. Colorado, yes. Associate Head coach there has got to be the best, or one of the best, head coaching candidates around. There lost some key seniors tho. I would take a few of those coaches off the list above tho. Walker? Should not have been coach of the year. Until Kent hit the field, they were a slightly above average team. She was a great player, not a great coach. O'leary???

A few coaches outside these power houses that r great: Sung at VT, Kwolek at Richmond and Morgan at Mason. None will make final four, but they all make their teams better.
Shannon smith, GREAT PLAYER!!! Horrible Coach!!! Any thoughts
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Shannon smith, GREAT PLAYER!!! Horrible Coach!!! Any thoughts


I think that you said all there is to say on the subject
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Shannon smith, GREAT PLAYER!!! Horrible Coach!!! Any thoughts


Yes, you are a J@&$ A#%.
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where was Stony Brook before he got there? Did they even have a team?


i am not from LI but what Joe Spalina has done at SB is remarkable with homegrown talent. Amazing how people hate successful people. its because they have been losers all their life!

yeah it's pretty easy to win when you take the top talent. Go away braggart and stop kissing JS's butt, he doesn't deserve it.


Whats the matter your little Sally didn't get recruited? Enjoy watching her at Molloy College ..you loser


Not the original poster but...

One thing that I hate about the lacrosse scene is the ELITIST attitude. What is wrong with a playing at Molloy and getting an education at Molloy. Those women at Molloy are playing a sport they love and going to school. They might not be working on Wall Street when they graduate, but many will be nurses, teachers, etc. to you and your grandchildren. The girls that play at Molloy, Post, Adelphi, etc. will end up being the backbone of America. Using anyone playing or watching their daughter at Molloy (on any other school in that manner) as a punch line makes you the loser.


Spot ON! it's this attitude that ruins the game.


Also agree. Plenty of kids happy playing in whatever division or ranking.
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Shannon smith, GREAT PLAYER!!! Horrible Coach!!! Any thoughts


Yes, you are a J@&$ A#%.


Always going to be the SS and the JS haters. So stupid.
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Shannon smith, GREAT PLAYER!!! Horrible Coach!!! Any thoughts


Didn't take long for an A$& H=+^ to go negative.

Here is the reality .

The programs listed get 90% of the best recruits every year. That is the reason they are always competitive . The other schools sort through the next tier recruits trying to get the best that they can get.

Doesn't matter if it is Hofstra, Uconn, Virginia Tech, UNH, Columbia, Cornell, Delaware, Colgate, Marist Brown etc... They do not get the top recruits.
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Shannon smith, GREAT PLAYER!!! Horrible Coach!!! Any thoughts


Ha.....and your daughter or son for that matter cant carry her water. Go troll elsewhere.
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Shannon smith, GREAT PLAYER!!! Horrible Coach!!! Any thoughts


Ha.....and your daughter or son for that matter cant carry her water. Go troll elsewhere.


SS played with an illegal stick her entire career ( this is fact, not opinion, go look at her tightening her strings after every goal) with new rules and the speed of the game she might not be as dominant today. yes I know everyone was cheating before stick checks, but still it does make a big difference or there wouldn't be a rule. Give today's players the same advantage and their numbers would be very different. As far as coaching, her and JS started the same year at their respective schools and there's no comparison in the two programs.
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Shannon smith, GREAT PLAYER!!! Horrible Coach!!! Any thoughts


Ha.....and your daughter or son for that matter cant carry her water. Go troll elsewhere.


SS played with an illegal stick her entire career ( this is fact, not opinion, go look at her tightening her strings after every goal) with new rules and the speed of the game she might not be as dominant today. yes I know everyone was cheating before stick checks, but still it does make a big difference or there wouldn't be a rule. Give today's players the same advantage and their numbers would be very different. As far as coaching, her and JS started the same year at their respective schools and there's no comparison in the two programs.


And the trollers keep trolling, Give it a rest.
You are a stunad. Top 5 player of all time. She is reason we have shot clock now
Lets be real. Shannon was an outstanding player that changed the way girls play the game. As a coach she is horrible. Her club team could be the best, attracting the best players on L.I. if she would just get her father, and brother away from it. She needs to learn that coaching doesn't mean yelling and degrading your roll players and heaping praise on your top players. I also think she needs to chose between Hofstra And Top Guns, until she does they will both suffer
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You are a stunad. Top 5 player of all time. She is reason we have shot clock now


Interesting that you think she is the reason for the shot clock. It was not her but her coach who used the stall , they did it prior to her getting there and after she left. Not a knock I just wonder how each program would be doing if JS had gone on to coach Hofstra and SS at SB. I have to say I think JS could turn around just about any program
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Back to the college game...

Anyone see fall ball? What was the free movement like? sSeems to penalize the offense on a defensive foul by resetting the offensive player. Should just reset fouling defensive player to give offense a temporary man up.
I don't agree. Free movement worked well and helped speed up the game. They need to work out the kinks and make it work smoother with the quick start, but I'm sure that will happen quickly. I see your point on penalizing the O on a D minor, but remember that sword cuts both ways, if an attacker is out of position she can now quickly adjust. I also love the three middies only on the draw, it makes it much cleaner. put this all together with the shot clock and the game is much better. I do think the clock should are at 60 to 70 seconds though.

Yes saw a lot of games following my daughter’s team around in October. They are a mid major and played against mid majors and 3 top 10 schools (one of them SB—wow they are good) my feeling is eventually it will make the game better and faster, but that the refs were surprisingly ill prepared for it. The girls were more prepared for the rule than the refs.
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You are a stunad. Top 5 player of all time. She is reason we have shot clock now


Wow one Player personally responsible for the shot clock years after she stopped playing
Anyone know the reason for Albany coach leaving so close to start of season?
Good coaches still need The Players to win. JS has been able to bring in some top talent. Couple the focus and support SBU has given their athletic program with JS's ability to sell and coach and you have a winning combination . Cost to attend SBU and the improved academics have also helped Stony Brook.

It is not only the ability to identify top talent but the ability to convince them to come to your school. There is no question that he is a really good coach but do not discount the favorable environment .

He has done what most coaches (outside the 10 or 12 top programs) can not do and that is convince top talent to come. Some of you will want to argue but year in and year out it is the same 10 - 12 schools that land the large majority of top players.

Stony Brook is now in that group. Everyone else on the outside looking in taking the players that the big girls passed on.

Hofstra is in the same boat as the majority of schools.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets be real. Shannon was an outstanding player that changed the way girls play the game. As a coach she is horrible. Her club team could be the best, attracting the best players on L.I. if she would just get her father, and brother away from it. She needs to learn that coaching doesn't mean yelling and degrading your roll players and heaping praise on your top players. I also think she needs to chose between Hofstra And Top Guns, until she does they will both suffer


Tg has zero chemistry during down time at tournaments. Where other teams have tents(where's the tents). Girls scatter like roaches and meet back five min before game time
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets be real. Shannon was an outstanding player that changed the way girls play the game. As a coach she is horrible. Her club team could be the best, attracting the best players on L.I. if she would just get her father, and brother away from it. She needs to learn that coaching doesn't mean yelling and degrading your roll players and heaping praise on your top players. I also think she needs to chose between Hofstra And Top Guns, until she does they will both suffer


Tg has zero chemistry during down time at tournaments. Where other teams have tents(where's the tents). Girls scatter like roaches and meet back five min before game time


um wrong. perhaps some teams don't have chemistry or more likely the parents don't want to deal with some of the other parents... The parents organize the tents and what goes on under them not the club. My daughter's TG team has excellent chemistry, the girls are friends and see each other all year long. the team even gets together in the off season,
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good coaches still need The Players to win. JS has been able to bring in some top talent. Couple the focus and support SBU has given their athletic program with JS's ability to sell and coach and you have a winning combination . Cost to attend SBU and the improved academics have also helped Stony Brook.

It is not only the ability to identify top talent but the ability to convince them to come to your school. There is no question that he is a really good coach but do not discount the favorable environment .

He has done what most coaches (outside the 10 or 12 top programs)
can not do and that is convince top talent to come. Some of you will want to argue but year in and year out it is the same 10 - 12 schools that land the large majority of top players.

Stony Brook is now in that group. Everyone else on the outside looking in taking the players that the big girls passed on.

Hofstra is in the same boat as the majority of schools.



You obviously have a kid committed to SB. No offense but they do not get the top recruits . JS gets the most out of the least but when was the last time SB had a recruiting class even good enough to be ranked , I think the answer is never. The top recruits rarely want to stay home and no college on LI can compare facility , campus or college spirit wise to many schools off the island.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets be real. Shannon was an outstanding player that changed the way girls play the game. As a coach she is horrible. Her club team could be the best, attracting the best players on L.I. if she would just get her father, and brother away from it. She needs to learn that coaching doesn't mean yelling and degrading your roll players and heaping praise on your top players. I also think she needs to chose between Hofstra And Top Guns, until she does they will both suffer


Tg has zero chemistry during down time at tournaments. Where other teams have tents(where's the tents). Girls scatter like roaches and meet back five min before game time


um wrong. perhaps some teams don't have chemistry or more likely the parents don't want to deal with some of the other parents... The parents organize the tents and what goes on under them not the club. My daughter's TG team has excellent chemistry, the girls are friends and see each other all year long. the team even gets together in the off season,


Same. Left another club because the chemistry and fraternity was nonexistent. Found a happy home at TG. Each team is different though, even within clubs. If you aren't happy, move on.
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets be real. Shannon was an outstanding player that changed the way girls play the game. As a coach she is horrible. Her club team could be the best, attracting the best players on L.I. if she would just get her father, and brother away from it. She needs to learn that coaching doesn't mean yelling and degrading your roll players and heaping praise on your top players. I also think she needs to chose between Hofstra And Top Guns, until she does they will both suffer


Tg has zero chemistry during down time at tournaments. Where other teams have tents(where's the tents). Girls scatter like roaches and meet back five min before game time


um wrong. perhaps some teams don't have chemistry or more likely the parents don't want to deal with some of the other parents... The parents organize the tents and what goes on under them not the club. My daughter's TG team has excellent chemistry, the girls are friends and see each other all year long. the team even gets together in the off season,


Same. Left another club because the chemistry and fraternity was nonexistent. Found a happy home at TG. Each team is different though, even within clubs. If you aren't happy, move on.
the parents don't buy the tents with the club logos. The clubs do. Tg does not give their teams anything. Half the time the coaches are late and the girls are warming up themselves
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good coaches still need The Players to win. JS has been able to bring in some top talent. Couple the focus and support SBU has given their athletic program with JS's ability to sell and coach and you have a winning combination . Cost to attend SBU and the improved academics have also helped Stony Brook.

It is not only the ability to identify top talent but the ability to convince them to come to your school. There is no question that he is a really good coach but do not discount the favorable environment .

He has done what most coaches (outside the 10 or 12 top programs)
can not do and that is convince top talent to come. Some of you will want to argue but year in and year out it is the same 10 - 12 schools that land the large majority of top players.

Stony Brook is now in that group. Everyone else on the outside looking in taking the players that the big girls passed on.

Hofstra is in the same boat as the majority of schools.



You obviously have a kid committed to SB. No offense but they do not get the top recruits . JS gets the most out of the least but when was the last time SB had a recruiting class even good enough to be ranked , I think the answer is never. The top recruits rarely want to stay home and no college on LI can compare facility , campus or college spirit wise to many schools off the island.


Sorry, none of my kids are committed to SBU.

You, obviously have a difficult time with reading comprehension and you definitely have a tough time understanding that words have meaning.

Where did it say anything about ranked recruiting classes? The post did however say something about "it is not only the ability to identify Top Talent but the ability to convince them to come to your school".

JS can definitely identity top talent and he can obviously convince some of that talent to go to Stony Brook. Coaching can only get you so far. Coaches need the players to get the team to the elite level.

Most coaches can't do it. They can't get the top players. The talent doesn't run that deep and the best programs get the best kids. The combination of talent and coaching is what makes the best programs the best.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets be real. Shannon was an outstanding player that changed the way girls play the game. As a coach she is horrible. Her club team could be the best, attracting the best players on L.I. if she would just get her father, and brother away from it. She needs to learn that coaching doesn't mean yelling and degrading your roll players and heaping praise on your top players. I also think she needs to chose between Hofstra And Top Guns, until she does they will both suffer


Tg has zero chemistry during down time at tournaments. Where other teams have tents(where's the tents). Girls scatter like roaches and meet back five min before game time


What, they don't have a tent with our logo on it!? My daughter played a ew years ago on TG and we brought our own tents, sat together between games, went to dinners together and still get together a couple of times a year....it sounds like you are just an [ChillLaxin].
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good coaches still need The Players to win. JS has been able to bring in some top talent. Couple the focus and support SBU has given their athletic program with JS's ability to sell and coach and you have a winning combination . Cost to attend SBU and the improved academics have also helped Stony Brook.

It is not only the ability to identify top talent but the ability to convince them to come to your school. There is no question that he is a really good coach but do not discount the favorable environment .

He has done what most coaches (outside the 10 or 12 top programs)
can not do and that is convince top talent to come. Some of you will want to argue but year in and year out it is the same 10 - 12 schools that land the large majority of top players.

Stony Brook is now in that group. Everyone else on the outside looking in taking the players that the big girls passed on.

Hofstra is in the same boat as the majority of schools.



You obviously have a kid committed to SB. No offense but they do not get the top recruits . JS gets the most out of the least but when was the last time SB had a recruiting class even good enough to be ranked , I think the answer is never. The top recruits rarely want to stay home and no college on LI can compare facility , campus or college spirit wise to many schools off the island.


Sorry, none of my kids are committed to SBU.

You, obviously have a difficult time with reading comprehension and you definitely have a tough time understanding that words have meaning.

Where did it say anything about ranked recruiting classes? The post did however say something about "it is not only the ability to identify Top Talent but the ability to convince them to come to your school".

JS can definitely identity top talent and he can obviously convince some of that talent to go to Stony Brook. Coaching can only get you so far. Coaches need the players to get the team to the elite level.

Most coaches can't do it. They can't get the top players. The talent doesn't run that deep and the best programs get the best kids. The combination of talent and coaching is what makes the best programs the best.










I credit JS fully for his own success. He does not land top talent, yet, but his program now has raised some eyebrows of the top upcoming recruits. He certainly doesn't spot top talent, what he does is even more impressive, he spots raw talent / athletic ability / heart, and finishes developing it. How often do you see that, but the other way around where the coach squanders the incoming players talents and they fade away. But even if he turns the program into a national championship winner, it will still be a sell to bring in the top talent. Take a coaches tour of one on the big schools, the support, facilities, trainers, academic support for athletes etc.... JS and SBU simply does not have what the others can offer and never will, which makes his ability to compete even more impressive.
SB is a top 5 team this year. It will be interesting to see how they do in the next several years with their 2018-2020 recruiting classes. Are they considered to be strong relative to other top programs?.
SB's roster has 3 kids that's don't come from either NY or NJ. Talk about raiding LI for talent. Hofstra has 6.

Nobody wants to come to LI for college unless you live here. Makes what SB is doing even that much more impressive
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good coaches still need The Players to win. JS has been able to bring in some top talent. Couple the focus and support SBU has given their athletic program with JS's ability to sell and coach and you have a winning combination . Cost to attend SBU and the improved academics have also helped Stony Brook.

It is not only the ability to identify top talent but the ability to convince them to come to your school. There is no question that he is a really good coach but do not discount the favorable environment .

He has done what most coaches (outside the 10 or 12 top programs)
can not do and that is convince top talent to come. Some of you will want to argue but year in and year out it is the same 10 - 12 schools that land the large majority of top players.

Stony Brook is now in that group. Everyone else on the outside looking in taking the players that the big girls passed on.

Hofstra is in the same boat as the majority of schools.



You obviously have a kid committed to SB. No offense but they do not get the top recruits . JS gets the most out of the least but when was the last time SB had a recruiting class even good enough to be ranked , I think the answer is never. The top recruits rarely want to stay home and no college on LI can compare facility , campus or college spirit wise to many schools off the island.


Sorry, none of my kids are committed to SBU.

You, obviously have a difficult time with reading comprehension and you definitely have a tough time understanding that words have meaning.

Where did it say anything about ranked recruiting classes? The post did however say something about "it is not only the ability to identify Top Talent but the ability to convince them to come to your school".

JS can definitely identity top talent and he can obviously convince some of that talent to go to Stony Brook. Coaching can only get you so far. Coaches need the players to get the team to the elite level.

Most coaches can't do it. They can't get the top players. The talent doesn't run that deep and the best programs get the best kids. The combination of talent and coaching is what makes the best programs the best.










I credit JS fully for his own success. He does not land top talent, yet, but his program now has raised some eyebrows of the top upcoming recruits. He certainly doesn't spot top talent, what he does is even more impressive, he spots raw talent / athletic ability / heart, and finishes developing it. How often do you see that, but the other way around where the coach squanders the incoming players talents and they fade away. But even if he turns the program into a national championship winner, it will still be a sell to bring in the top talent. Take a coaches tour of one on the big schools, the support, facilities, trainers, academic support for athletes etc.... JS and SBU simply does not have what the others can offer and never will, which makes his ability to compete even more impressive.


He has absolutely been landing some top talent. They may not be the highly touted recruits but they are absolutely top talent and he identified them and was able to recruited them. As the earlier post stated, "Most coaches can't do it. They can't get the top talent". The top programs get the top kids and the other schools fight it out for the next tier players. It is tough to compete with the likes of Maryland, North Carolina, Florida, Penn State and Syracuse for the overall college experience and big time athletics. If a kid is really strong in the classroom its tough to compete with Princeton, Penn, Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins and Notre Dame. Throw in Virginia, USC and Boston College and you have 14 schools for the top players to choose from and for the most part whenever you look at IL Recruit Rankings or the UA Senior North South Game those are the schools that the top kids choose to go to.

Navy is a different animal.

Stanford will continue to improve and compete for top recruits.

Stony Brook has been able to crack a pretty impressive list of schools in terms of being able to land top talent. Notre Dame, Florida and a few others get called out for under performing (in relation to the caliber of player they are able to bring in) but in the end they always finish in the Top 20. I do not know if it will continue but the track record has been very good the past several years for Stony Brook. Going forward, I think Colorado, Stanford and maybe Oregon will all be competing for top talent as well.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good coaches still need The Players to win. JS has been able to bring in some top talent. Couple the focus and support SBU has given their athletic program with JS's ability to sell and coach and you have a winning combination . Cost to attend SBU and the improved academics have also helped Stony Brook.

It is not only the ability to identify top talent but the ability to convince them to come to your school. There is no question that he is a really good coach but do not discount the favorable environment .

He has done what most coaches (outside the 10 or 12 top programs)
can not do and that is convince top talent to come. Some of you will want to argue but year in and year out it is the same 10 - 12 schools that land the large majority of top players.

Stony Brook is now in that group. Everyone else on the outside looking in taking the players that the big girls passed on.

Hofstra is in the same boat as the majority of schools.



You obviously have a kid committed to SB. No offense but they do not get the top recruits . JS gets the most out of the least but when was the last time SB had a recruiting class even good enough to be ranked , I think the answer is never. The top recruits rarely want to stay home and no college on LI can compare facility , campus or college spirit wise to many schools off the island.


Sorry, none of my kids are committed to SBU.

You, obviously have a difficult time with reading comprehension and you definitely have a tough time understanding that words have meaning.

Where did it say anything about ranked recruiting classes? The post did however say something about "it is not only the ability to identify Top Talent but the ability to convince them to come to your school".

JS can definitely identity top talent and he can obviously convince some of that talent to go to Stony Brook. Coaching can only get you so far. Coaches need the players to get the team to the elite level.

Most coaches can't do it. They can't get the top players. The talent doesn't run that deep and the best programs get the best kids. The combination of talent and coaching is what makes the best programs the best.










I credit JS fully for his own success. He does not land top talent, yet, but his program now has raised some eyebrows of the top upcoming recruits. He certainly doesn't spot top talent, what he does is even more impressive, he spots raw talent / athletic ability / heart, and finishes developing it. How often do you see that, but the other way around where the coach squanders the incoming players talents and they fade away. But even if he turns the program into a national championship winner, it will still be a sell to bring in the top talent. Take a coaches tour of one on the big schools, the support, facilities, trainers, academic support for athletes etc.... JS and SBU simply does not have what the others can offer and never will, which makes his ability to compete even more impressive.


He has absolutely been landing some top talent. They may not be the highly touted recruits but they are absolutely top talent and he identified them and was able to recruited them. As the earlier post stated, "Most coaches can't do it. They can't get the top talent". The top programs get the top kids and the other schools fight it out for the next tier players. It is tough to compete with the likes of Maryland, North Carolina, Florida, Penn State and Syracuse for the overall college experience and big time athletics. If a kid is really strong in the classroom its tough to compete with Princeton, Penn, Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins and Notre Dame. Throw in Virginia, USC and Boston College and you have 14 schools for the top players to choose from and for the most part whenever you look at IL Recruit Rankings or the UA Senior North South Game those are the schools that the top kids choose to go to.

Navy is a different animal.

Stanford will continue to improve and compete for top recruits.

Stony Brook has been able to crack a pretty impressive list of schools in terms of being able to land top talent. Notre Dame, Florida and a few others get called out for under performing (in relation to the caliber of player they are able to bring in) but in the end they always finish in the Top 20. I do not know if it will continue but the track record has been very good the past several years for Stony Brook. Going forward, I think Colorado, Stanford and maybe Oregon will all be competing for top talent as well.


http://www.underarmourlacrosse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/girls-roster-press-release-1.pdf

"Stanford will continue to improve and compete for top recruits."

Disagree. They are going backwards. They will be a good program, not great. Never will be in the National Championship discussion. Coach is mediocre and academics will make it tough for them to recruit true depth. They ill always get a few really good players, enough to be a top 25-30 team and once in awhile climb to 15. That's about it.

But a great place for girls to land, obviously.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Stanford will continue to improve and compete for top recruits."

Disagree. They are going backwards. They will be a good program, not great. Never will be in the National Championship discussion. Coach is mediocre and academics will make it tough for them to recruit true depth. They ill always get a few really good players, enough to be a top 25-30 team and once in awhile climb to 15. That's about it.

But a great place for girls to land, obviously.


Maybe JS will head west.
Stanford 2017: 12-6
Losses to Yale and Denver
Loss to an under 500 mediocre Duke team last year.
One goal victory over Harvard

This is a good, not great, program.

02/10 at UC Davis (6-11) MPSF W 20 – 10
02/12 DENVER (14-4) Big East L 7 – 10
02/18 vs Duke # (8-9) Atlantic Coast L 8 – 12
02/21 at St. Mary's (CA) (1-13) MPSF W 22 – 5
02/24 at Ohio State (6-11) Big Ten W 19 – 9
02/28 MICHIGAN (5-12) Big Ten W 15 – 10
03/08 WILLIAM & MARY (3-14) Colonial W 17 – 13
03/11 CONNECTICUT (8-8) Big East W 19 – 14
03/28 at Harvard (8-8) Ivy League W 10 – 9
04/01 at Yale (7-9) Ivy League L 12 – 15
04/07 at Colorado (16-4) MPSF L 8 – 13
04/11 FRESNO STATE (9-7) MPSF W 17 – 4
04/14 OREGON (9-8) MPSF W 17 – 13
04/17 at California (5-13) MPSF W 15 – 12
04/21 SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA (18-4) MPSF L 12 – 15
04/23 SAN DIEGO STATE (10-8) MPSF W 19 – 8
04/27 vs California # (5-13) MPSF W 19 – 5
04/28 vs Colorado # (16-4) MPSF L 13 – 14
"Stanford will continue to improve and compete for top recruits."

Disagree. They are going backwards. They will be a good program, not great. Never will be in the National Championship discussion. Coach is mediocre and academics will make it tough for them to recruit true depth. They ill always get a few really good players, enough to be a top 25-30 team and once in awhile climb to 15. That's about it.

But a great place for girls to land, obviously.[/quote]

Maybe JS will head west.
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Don't think his "way" fits w Stanford.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Stanford will continue to improve and compete for top recruits."

Disagree. They are going backwards. They will be a good program, not great. Never will be in the National Championship discussion. Coach is mediocre and academics will make it tough for them to recruit true depth. They ill always get a few really good players, enough to be a top 25-30 team and once in awhile climb to 15. That's about it.

But a great place for girls to land, obviously.


One of the few schools that (with the right coach) could compete for top talent on a regular basis.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Stanford will continue to improve and compete for top recruits."

Disagree. They are going backwards. They will be a good program, not great. Never will be in the National Championship discussion. Coach is mediocre and academics will make it tough for them to recruit true depth. They ill always get a few really good players, enough to be a top 25-30 team and once in awhile climb to 15. That's about it.

But a great place for girls to land, obviously.


One of the few schools that (with the right coach) could compete for top talent on a regular basis.


Maybe. Never have. And are not currently on the way up as the first quote implies. They in fact have been dropping in the rankings the last few years. And their recruiting classes the next few years would not suggest major improvement anytime soon.
I think some are selling SB short on what they offer.

Great Home Stadium w/ some games with great crowds for women's lax.
Great new training facility
Great Coach
Great tuition
Top 5 Team
Very Good School
Soon New Indoor training facility
*Close to Home if needed.
*Parents can watch every home game.

Cons:
Campus not great
College Experience (But I am sure the girls on the SB team have great college experience together.)
On Long Island (if you want to go to school away.)
*Close to Home
*Parent can watch every home game.

But for Middle Class parents with talented girls it is a home run if you are talented enough to play there. Yes Virginia, Duke, NC, ND, etc are beautiful campus and top of the line schools, paying for them is no always an option no matter how nice it would be to go there. College is what you get into it. I would be curious to see the transfer rates and rates of sport drop out in those schools compared to SB. I would agree there is a certain WOW factor for a lot of schools, but it is tough to beat SB for the bang for the buck. Young daughter, but I would sign up for SB now if I could. Just my thoughts.
Some great points!
Your top 100 players all have the same four or five schools on their list. The other coaches have their hands full. For Stony Brook to compete with these schools is very hard. JS does not have the INDOOR buildings that these other schools have. He sells pride for where you come from! Go to Florida SUNSHINE, USC SUNSHINE, The other schools mentioned have big sports programs Football,Basketball easy to sell this to young ladies. I know you don't like JS but you have to tip your hat to him. I for one think that if you are from Long Island and send your kid anywhere else you want to see him do bad as well as the players. GROW UP. The top players from Maryland stay home and play with PRIDE. OK STONY BROOK (JS) MAKE LONG ISLAND PROUD I'm going to come out and watch. I wish more Long Island kids and parents would take a look at Stony Brook it is a good school and I am a proud Long Island Lax parent! You want to leave Long Island fine but stop bashing JS and Stony Brook, these girls and coaches are doing a GREAT job and I hope to see them in late May on their field.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some great points!
Your top 100 players all have the same four or five schools on their list. The other coaches have their hands full. For Stony Brook to compete with these schools is very hard. JS does not have the INDOOR buildings that these other schools have. He sells pride for where you come from! Go to Florida SUNSHINE, USC SUNSHINE, The other schools mentioned have big sports programs Football,Basketball easy to sell this to young ladies. I know you don't like JS but you have to tip your hat to him. I for one think that if you are from Long Island and send your kid anywhere else you want to see him do bad as well as the players. GROW UP. The top players from Maryland stay home and play with PRIDE. OK STONY BROOK (JS) MAKE LONG ISLAND PROUD I'm going to come out and watch. I wish more Long Island kids and parents would take a look at Stony Brook it is a good school and I am a proud Long Island Lax parent! You want to leave Long Island fine but stop bashing JS and Stony Brook, these girls and coaches are doing a GREAT job and I hope to see them in late May on their field.
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While I get what you are saying lets not compare Stony Brook to Maryland in terms of overall college experience. My kid went away and I am glad she did but it does not make me want SB to fail. The fans do make it difficult to hope they succeed at times and will say the program and players do not have the best reputation in terms of sportsmanship.Would give you some examples but do not want to call out any players etc.I think this is a big year for them and if they don't win it all this year they may never do it.They better hope their goalie stays healthy and I think they may struggle at middie a little this year. Not sure if Spallina is very good at recognizing talent that others don't see or just very good at developing players or both but he has more success than any other coach while not getting the highly ranked players coming out of high school.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some great points!
Your top 100 players all have the same four or five schools on their list. The other coaches have their hands full. For Stony Brook to compete with these schools is very hard. JS does not have the INDOOR buildings that these other schools have. He sells pride for where you come from! Go to Florida SUNSHINE, USC SUNSHINE, The other schools mentioned have big sports programs Football,Basketball easy to sell this to young ladies. I know you don't like JS but you have to tip your hat to him. I for one think that if you are from Long Island and send your kid anywhere else you want to see him do bad as well as the
players. GROW UP. The top players from Maryland stay home and play with PRIDE. OK STONY BROOK (JS) MAKE LONG ISLAND PROUD I'm going to come out and watch. I wish more Long Island kids and parents would take a look at Stony Brook it is a good school and I am a proud Long Island Lax parent! You want to leave Long Island fine but stop bashing JS and Stony Brook, these girls and coaches are doing a GREAT job and I hope to see them in late May on their field.
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While I get what you are saying lets not compare Stony Brook to Maryland in terms of overall college experience. My kid went away and I am glad she did but it does not make me want SB to fail. The fans do make it difficult to hope they succeed at times and will say the program and players do not have the best reputation in terms of sportsmanship.Would give you some examples but do not want to call out any players etc.I think this is a big year for them and if they don't win it all this year they may never do it.They better hope their goalie stays healthy and I think they may struggle at middie a little this year. Not sure if Spallina is very good at recognizing talent that others don't see or just very good at developing players or both but he has more success than any other coach while not getting the highly ranked players coming out of high school.


Agree. He has definitely done a great job. I think we are seeing a very good coach do some great things. The university has stepped up on many fronts and that helps compared to other LI schools. All in all an excellent job.
He's perfect right where he is. Has lots of other lacrosse endeavors on LI.Gets paid like a top coach at $175,000 where most D1 coaches are under a 100. Not sure he's right for a Stanford or Notre Dame where you cant walk any athletes in, you know the ones who spent too much time on the wall and not enough in the library

If he was at Florida, he would already be a national champion winning coach.

And if he burns out at SB, Hofstra would take him in a second so they could become relevant over night just like SB did
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good coaches still need The Players to win. JS has been able to bring in some top talent. Couple the focus and support SBU has given their athletic program with JS's ability to sell and coach and you have a winning combination . Cost to attend SBU and the improved academics have also helped Stony Brook.

It is not only the ability to identify top talent but the ability to convince them to come to your school. There is no question that he is a really good coach but do not discount the favorable environment .

He has done what most coaches (outside the 10 or 12 top programs)
can not do and that is convince top talent to come. Some of you will want to argue but year in and year out it is the same 10 - 12 schools that land the large majority of top players.

Stony Brook is now in that group. Everyone else on the outside looking in taking the players that the big girls passed on.

Hofstra is in the same boat as the majority of schools.



You obviously have a kid committed to SB. No offense but they do not get the top recruits . JS gets the most out of the least but when was the last time SB had a recruiting class even good enough to be ranked , I think the answer is never. The top recruits rarely want to stay home and no college on LI can compare facility , campus or college spirit wise to many schools off the island.


Sorry, none of my kids are committed to SBU.

You, obviously have a difficult time with reading comprehension and you definitely have a tough time understanding that words have meaning.

Where did it say anything about ranked recruiting classes? The post did however say something about "it is not only the ability to identify Top Talent but the ability to convince them to come to your school".

JS can definitely identity top talent and he can obviously convince some of that talent to go to Stony Brook. Coaching can only get you so far. Coaches need the players to get the team to the elite level.

Most coaches can't do it. They can't get the top players. The talent doesn't run that deep and the best programs get the best kids. The combination of talent and coaching is what makes the best programs the best.








Usually I will leave dense enough alone but in your case I will make an exception. You obviously have a tough time understanding that reading comprehension and understanding that words have meaning are essentially the same nonsense just repeated because your a simpleton.
Where did it say you said something about ranked recruiting classes? If he were convincing the top talent to come to SB as you say then their incoming classes would generally be ranked like the top 10 programs that you say land the best recruits and that SB is now in that group." Do not discount the favorable environment" thanks for that nonsensical statement, which environment are you talking about when compared to the top programs , the hideous campus, low level D1 athletics other than lacrosse, the dorms that are considered some of the worst in the country, or the nonexistent college town.
There is one reason for the success of Stony Brook womens lacrosse and that reason is JS, without him the program would be mediocre at best . Has he done a good job with recruiting ,yes, but it has not been done by getting the top recruits its been by identifying the players that will fit in his system and that other top programs have ** on for the most part.
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Some great points!
Your top 100 players all have the same four or five schools on their list. The other coaches have their hands full. For Stony Brook to compete with these schools is very hard. JS does not have the INDOOR buildings that these other schools have. He sells pride for where you come from! Go to Florida SUNSHINE, USC SUNSHINE, The other schools mentioned have big sports programs Football,Basketball easy to sell this to young ladies. I know you don't like JS but you have to tip your hat to him. I for one think that if you are from Long Island and send your kid anywhere else you want to see him do bad as well as the players. GROW UP. The top players from Maryland stay home and play with PRIDE. OK STONY BROOK (JS) MAKE LONG ISLAND PROUD I'm going to come out and watch. I wish more Long Island kids and parents would take a look at Stony Brook it is a good school and I am a proud Long Island Lax parent! You want to leave Long Island fine but stop bashing JS and Stony Brook, these girls and coaches are doing a GREAT job and I hope to see them in late May on their field.
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While I get what you are saying lets not compare Stony Brook to Maryland in terms of overall college experience. My kid went away and I am glad she did but it does not make me want SB to fail. The fans do make it difficult to hope they succeed at times and will say the program and players do not have the best reputation in terms of sportsmanship.Would give you some examples but do not want to call out any players etc.I think this is a big year for them and if they don't win it all this year they may never do it.They better hope their goalie stays healthy and I think they may struggle at middie a little this year. Not sure if Spallina is very good at recognizing talent that others don't see or just very good at developing players or both but he has more success than any other coach while not getting the highly ranked players coming out of high school.



A lot of what he gets is kids who have been playing together at YJ since they were 10 years old, the team chemistry is already there, it isn't something that he has to develop. Most kids on other teams are just starting to play together in fall ball of freshman year and it will take a while to gel and learn each others tendencies and style of play. I think it's very valuable and shouldn't be underestimated.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some great points!
Your top 100 players all have the same four or five schools on their list. The other coaches have their hands full. For Stony Brook to compete with these schools is very hard. JS does not have the INDOOR buildings that these other schools have. He sells pride for where you come from! Go to Florida SUNSHINE, USC SUNSHINE, The other schools mentioned have big sports programs Football,Basketball easy to sell this to young ladies. I know you don't like JS but you have to tip your hat to him. I for one think that if you are from Long Island and send your kid anywhere else you want to see him do bad as well as the players. GROW UP. The top players from Maryland stay home and play with PRIDE. OK STONY BROOK (JS) MAKE LONG ISLAND PROUD I'm going to come out and watch. I wish more Long Island kids and parents would take a look at Stony Brook it is a good school and I am a proud Long Island Lax parent! You want to leave Long Island fine but stop bashing JS and Stony Brook, these girls and coaches are doing a GREAT job and I hope to see them in late May on their field.
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While I get what you are saying lets not compare Stony Brook to Maryland in terms of overall college experience. My kid went away and I am glad she did but it does not make me want SB to fail. The fans do make it difficult to hope they succeed at times and will say the program and players do not have the best reputation in terms of sportsmanship.Would give you some examples but do not want to call out any players etc.I think this is a big year for them and if they don't win it all this year they may never do it.They better hope their goalie stays healthy and I think they may struggle at middie a little this year. Not sure if Spallina is very good at recognizing talent that others don't see or just very good at developing players or both but he has more success than any other coach while not getting the highly ranked players coming out of high school.



A lot of what he gets is kids who have been playing together at YJ since they were 10 years old, the team chemistry is already there, it isn't something that he has to develop. Most kids on other teams are just starting to play together in fall ball of freshman year and it will take a while to gel and learn each others tendencies and style of play. I think it's very valuable and shouldn't be underestimated.


The reinstitution of the 3-second rule as a major foul is going to hurt them. He plays an "illegal" zone. Now there will be consequences again. 30-something 3-second violations against Maryland last year. Under those rules, the 3-second call actually helped the D. Now it will be an 8-meter again. Thank God. Now if we could just get 6 girls at each end there could actually be some room to move.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some great points!
Your top 100 players all have the same four or five schools on their list. The other coaches have their hands full. For Stony Brook to compete with these schools is very hard. JS does not have the INDOOR buildings that these other schools have. He sells pride for where you come from! Go to Florida SUNSHINE, USC SUNSHINE, The other schools mentioned have big sports programs Football,Basketball easy to sell this to young ladies. I know you don't like JS but you have to tip your hat to him. I for one think that if you are from Long Island and send your kid anywhere else you want to see him do bad as well as the players. GROW UP. The top players from Maryland stay home and play with PRIDE. OK STONY BROOK (JS) MAKE LONG ISLAND PROUD I'm going to come out and watch. I wish more Long Island kids and parents would take a look at Stony Brook it is a good school and I am a proud Long Island Lax parent! You want to leave Long Island fine but stop bashing JS and Stony Brook, these girls and coaches are doing a GREAT job and I hope to see them in late May on their field.
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While I get what you are saying lets not compare Stony Brook to Maryland in terms of overall college experience. My kid went away and I am glad she did but it does not make me want SB to fail. The fans do make it difficult to hope they succeed at times and will say the program and players do not have the best reputation in terms of sportsmanship.Would give you some examples but do not want to call out any players etc.I think this is a big year for them and if they don't win it all this year they may never do it.They better hope their goalie stays healthy and I think they may struggle at middie a little this year. Not sure if Spallina is very good at recognizing talent that others don't see or just very good at developing players or both but he has more success than any other coach while not getting the highly ranked players coming out of high school.



A lot of what he gets is kids who have been playing together at YJ since they were 10 years old, the team chemistry is already there, it isn't something that he has to develop. Most kids on other teams are just starting to play together in fall ball of freshman year and it will take a while to gel and learn each others tendencies and style of play. I think it's very valuable and shouldn't be underestimated.


The reinstitution of the 3-second rule as a major foul is going to hurt them. He plays an "illegal" zone. Now there will be consequences again. 30-something 3-second violations against Maryland last year. Under those rules, the 3-second call actually helped the D. Now it will be an 8-meter again. Thank God. Now if we could just get 6 girls at each end there could actually be some room to move.
You’re not suggesting that there is not enough room for 14 players Tom move around in a 60 x 40 yard field? Does those 2 extra players rally take up that much space?
It's not 14 in 60x40. It's 14 inside the 12 meter arc. That's how the game is played. And it's incredibly clogged up, particularly at the college level. With shooting space, it becomes even more problematic.
The fans are different.
Wow really I have been going to games for quite a few years and every team has their fan that is hard to take. It does not matter what school or club team everyone has one! It’s ok glad you chose or your daughter chose to go away to school
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It's not 14 in 60x40. It's 14 inside the 12 meter arc. That's how the game is played. And it's incredibly clogged up, particularly at the college level. With shooting space, it becomes even more problematic.
Actually, no it's not 14 in the 12 meter fan for the better teams if you pay attention. The better teams will spread out beyond the 12 leaving huge spaces between players. That makes it harder to double or run a backer D, it also leaves more room for cutters making slides more difficult.
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It's not 14 in 60x40. It's 14 inside the 12 meter arc. That's how the game is played. And it's incredibly clogged up, particularly at the college level. With shooting space, it becomes even more problematic.
Actually, no it's not 14 in the 12 meter fan for the better teams if you pay attention. The better teams will spread out beyond the 12 leaving huge spaces between players. That makes it harder to double or run a backer D, it also leaves more room for cutters making slides more difficult.


Different poster here but you are completely wrong. You can spread your offense out all you want but the defense has no reason to go out and chase and can just sit with their heels on the 8. Your answer was condescending and just ignorant of what actually goes on, you can take your offense and spread out using the whole field while the better defenses such as SB pack it in with all 8 defenders ( yes 8 as the more active goalies are playing defense a lot) inside the 12 many of which are actually inside the 8 and as the shot clock winds down you can take your spread out players who can now just sit and watch the clock hit zero. So while realistically its not 14 in the 12 it is way too clogged .
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It's not 14 in 60x40. It's 14 inside the 12 meter arc. That's how the game is played. And it's incredibly clogged up, particularly at the college level. With shooting space, it becomes even more problematic.
Actually, no it's not 14 in the 12 meter fan for the better teams if you pay attention. The better teams will spread out beyond the 12 leaving huge spaces between players. That makes it harder to double or run a backer D, it also leaves more room for cutters making slides more difficult.


Different poster here but you are completely wrong. You can spread your offense out all you want but the defense has no reason to go out and chase and can just sit with their heels on the 8. Your answer was condescending and just ignorant of what actually goes on, you can take your offense and spread out using the whole field while the better defenses such as SB pack it in with all 8 defenders ( yes 8 as the more active goalies are playing defense a lot) inside the 12 many of which are actually inside the 8 and as the shot clock winds down you can take your spread out players who can now just sit and watch the clock hit zero. So while realistically its not 14 in the 12 it is way too clogged .


Thanks for the defense of my post. I was holding back, but you stated it perfectly. With the 90 second clock and no penalty for 3 seconds last year, many defenses were playing tight zones. You could not just spread out and gain space. As stated, you would just be watching the shot clock run down. There are too many girls certainly given the rules the way they were last year. Going back to actually penalizing a team for defensive 3-seconds is a great step. I think taking two girls off the field would help a lot too. Would be a lot more fun to watch. Has anybody watched the NHL's 3v3 overtimes? Fun stuff. I'm not advocating anything radical, i don't think. The guys play w 6v6 at each end.
all defenders back in and keep their feet on the line especially now with the shot clock, they will always come to you. Stall is gone
There is one aspect of the girls game that they need to fix ASAP. Get rid of the draw, please. Do it to start the first half and second half. That's it, then let them start with possession after every goal scored.
Like basketball. Agreed. Boys should get rid of the faceoff too. The boys it's even worse. Can't stand the fact that a guys sole purpose is to take the faceoff and then get off the field. Girl's game isn't there yet, but might be soon.

But the high school rule now being applied to college (only 3 in midfield until possession) is at least a step in the right direction. No more giant scrums.
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There is one aspect of the girls game that they need to fix ASAP. Get rid of the draw, please. Do it to start the first half and second half. That's it, then let them start with possession after every goal scored.

Why??
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There is one aspect of the girls game that they need to fix ASAP. Get rid of the draw, please. Do it to start the first half and second half. That's it, then let them start with possession after every goal scored.

Why??


Because it has too much influence on the game for such an insignificant event.
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There is one aspect of the girls game that they need to fix ASAP. Get rid of the draw, please. Do it to start the first half and second half. That's it, then let them start with possession after every goal scored.

Why??


Because it has too much influence on the game for such an insignificant event.


I think the team with the best goalie will then be even more of an advantage than a team with the better draw girl is now .
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There is one aspect of the girls game that they need to fix ASAP. Get rid of the draw, please. Do it to start the first half and second half. That's it, then let them start with possession after every goal scored.

Why??


Because it has too much influence on the game for such an insignificant event.
so should hockey get rid of the face off after every goal because Basketball doesn't do it? Obviously it's not an insignificant event if it influences a game, seems pretty significant. A team down by three can quickly come back if they have a good draw girl. As far as the 60 x 40 field., no good offense is going to pack all there girls into the 12, thats only 14 yards from the goal line, and not enough room to work. counting the crease (3 meters) and room to work (at least another 3 meters) plus the girls at X (another 5 meters) if you square that up thats a 25X25 yard working area of a 40 X 60 yard field. not exactly packed into the 8 (10x10 yards) and still plenty of room to roam. Could fit another attacker and defender if you wanted to and still have room. with your Hockey reference to 3 v 3 being more exciting, A hockey rink is about the same size as the attacking zone below restraint line, and half of it isn't in use at any given time. That being said Hockey full strength is pretty energetic and thats 11 people in half the area on any attack play so your analogy makes no sense. But this is neither hockey nor Basketball so lets take Lacrosse as Lacrosse
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What's your opinion on D2 schools in the tri state area?


Ranked by average SAT scores needed it would be- Adelphi, Molloy, New Haven, LIU Post and then Mercy and Dowling who's entrance requirements are so low they don't publish.

Lacrosse wise over the years it would be Adelphi #1 LIU Post, New Haven, Dowling, and then Molloy and Mercy ties at bottom

Adelphi is a pretty clear winner and has continued winning even after Spalina left for Stony Brook


Rowling closed last year
Also the draw is never done without an advantage to in most cases taller player. If they want to keep it why make players draw up. Make it interesting and let a player draw up, down or to the side. Be real interesting if you could do what you want, not always up.
Also the draw is never done without an advantage to in most cases taller player. If they want to keep it why make players draw up. Make it interesting and let a player draw up, down or to the side. Be real interesting if you could do what you want, not always up.
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There is one aspect of the girls game that they need to fix ASAP. Get rid of the draw, please. Do it to start the first half and second half. That's it, then let them start with possession after every goal scored.

Why??


Because it has too much influence on the game for such an insignificant event.
so should hockey get rid of the face off after every goal because Basketball doesn't do it? Obviously it's not an insignificant event if it influences a game, seems pretty significant. A team down by
three can quickly come back if they have a good draw girl. As far as the 60 x 40 field., no good offense is going to pack all there girls into the 12, thats only 14 yards from the goal line, and not enough room to work. counting the crease (3 meters) and room to work (at least another 3 meters) plus the girls at X (another 5 meters) if you square that up thats a 25X25 yard working area of a 40 X 60 yard field. not exactly packed into the 8 (10x10 yards) and still plenty of room to roam. Could fit another attacker and defender if you wanted to and still have room. with your Hockey reference to 3 v 3 being more exciting, A hockey rink is about the same size as the attacking zone below restraint line, and half of it isn't in use at any given time. That being said Hockey full strength is pretty energetic and thats 11 people in half the area on any attack play so your analogy makes no sense. But this is neither hockey nor Basketball so lets take Lacrosse as Lacrosse


You really are clueless or just don’t watch college lax. No one said a good offense packs all of their girls inside the 12 but good defenses pack all of their girls inside the 12 and your offensive players outside the 12 or playing at x are no threat to score . Adding two more players just tells me you have absolutely no clue. As far as a team coming back down by 3 being easier if there is a draw , wrong again , without a draw the games are essentially a shooting gallery . Personally I like the draw as it’s a natural break in the action that allows for teams to gather themselves and adjust .
The shot clock was a GREAT change to the game. I think that off sides should be like the boys , make it a 30 sec. player down. I think the 8 meter shot with no players down low is a good move BUT STARTING WITHOUT A WHISTLE STILL IS NOT CLEAR AND IT SHOWS. No draw would be interesting and maybe could be tried in the fall. Love the shot clock!
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There is one aspect of the girls game that they need to fix ASAP. Get rid of the draw, please. Do it to start the first half and second half. That's it, then let them start with possession after every goal scored.

Why??


Because it has too much influence on the game for such an insignificant event.
so should hockey get rid of the face off after every goal because Basketball doesn't do it? Obviously it's not an insignificant event if it influences a game, seems pretty significant. A team down by
three can quickly come back if they have a good draw girl. As far as the 60 x 40 field., no good offense is going to pack all there girls into the 12, thats only 14 yards from the goal line, and not enough room to work. counting the crease (3 meters) and room to work (at least another 3 meters) plus the girls at X (another 5 meters) if you square that up thats a 25X25 yard working area of a 40 X 60 yard field. not exactly packed into the 8 (10x10 yards) and still plenty of room to roam. Could fit another attacker and defender if you wanted to and still have room. with your Hockey reference to 3 v 3 being more exciting, A hockey rink is about the same size as the attacking zone below restraint line, and half of it isn't in use at any given time. That being said Hockey full strength is pretty energetic and thats 11 people in half the area on any attack play so your analogy makes no sense. But this is neither hockey nor Basketball so lets take Lacrosse as Lacrosse


You really are clueless or just don’t watch college lax. No one said a good offense packs all of their girls inside the 12 but good defenses pack all of their girls inside the 12 and your offensive players outside the 12 or playing at x are no threat to score . Adding two more players just tells me you have absolutely no clue. As far as a team coming back down by 3 being easier if there is a draw , wrong again , without a draw the games are essentially a shooting gallery . Personally I like the draw as it’s a natural break in the action that allows for teams to gather themselves and adjust .


Agree there should be a break in the game after a goal. They should get rid of the draw, but make midfielders go back the midfield as a restraining line, then blow whistle to restart play from behind the cage. It would give the team a chance to regroup, reset, whatever.
Hate the draw but it has become slightly less important because in the old days teams would win a draw and then play keep away. PAINFUL TO WATCH!
Dowling closed June 2016, all the players followed the coach to NYIT. They made the NCAA's their first year. Another good D2 school for the money is Queens College NY. Tuition is under 6,000 and they have a new coach who is motivated and recruiting many local players.
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Hate the draw but it has become slightly less important because in the old days teams would win a draw and then play keep away. PAINFUL TO WATCH!


True. With shot clock it is not a straight 1 to 1 correlation any more between draw wins and game wins. This year's version of the college game is going to be by far the best brand of lacrosse ever seen in women's NCAA lax. Restraining line holds on the draw, penalty for 3-second, quick restarts, free movement, shot clock, counting goals when shooting space call is simultaneous. The game has come a long way in a few short years. Still some tweaks to make, but it will be great to watch.
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There is one aspect of the girls game that they need to fix ASAP. Get rid of the draw, please. Do it to start the first half and second half. That's it, then let them start with possession after every goal scored.

Why??


Because it has too much influence on the game for such an insignificant event.
so should hockey get rid of the face off after every goal because Basketball doesn't do it? Obviously it's not an insignificant event if it influences a game, seems pretty significant. A team down by
three can quickly come back if they have a good draw girl. As far as the 60 x 40 field., no good offense is going to pack all there girls into the 12, thats only 14 yards from the goal line, and not enough room to work. counting the crease (3 meters) and room to work (at least another 3 meters) plus the girls at X (another 5 meters) if you square that up thats a 25X25 yard working area of a 40 X 60 yard field. not exactly packed into the 8 (10x10 yards) and still plenty of room to roam. Could fit another attacker and defender if you wanted to and still have room. with your Hockey reference to 3 v 3 being more exciting, A hockey rink is about the same size as the attacking zone below restraint line, and half of it isn't in use at any given time. That being said Hockey full strength is pretty energetic and thats 11 people in half the area on any attack play so your analogy makes no sense. But this is neither hockey nor Basketball so lets take Lacrosse as Lacrosse


You really are clueless or just don’t watch college lax. No one said a good offense packs all of their girls inside the 12 but good defenses pack all of their girls inside the 12 and your offensive players outside the 12 or playing at x are no threat to score . Adding two more players just tells me you have absolutely no clue. As far as a team coming back down by 3 being easier if there is a draw , wrong again , without a draw the games are essentially a shooting gallery . Personally I like the draw as it’s a natural break in the action that allows for teams to gather themselves and adjust .
I would bet that you never played lacrosse on any level. But to answer your question Yes I watch a ton of lacrosse games, not to mention the ones I have played in, or the ones I've coached

First I never said they should add 2 more players, just that the size of the attacking zone could easily accommodate two more players and still have plenty of room.

Second- If a team is down by 2 or more draws they could easily close the gap if they had a good draw girl. I have seen and taken part in many games where, when down, a team has won the draw/face off, scored in under 30 seconds, won another draw/ face-off and scored again in under a minuet. Without the draw even if you score quickly, the other team could run off 90 seconds before you see the ball again. late in a game that could be a killer for a team. If you had ever played in a game you would know this.

Third- If you don't think A girl is a threat from X you haven't watched many lacrosse games, Shannon Smith is one example of a girl that if and when teams had your mindset, she would attack from X and score at will. UMD attacks from X as a standard set against some team with the X player feeding cutters, with the option to attack and shoot if opportunity presents it's self

Fourth- If you think a girl outside the 12 can't score, than you are obviously only watching your daughters team. these days girls shots are getting stronger every year. Watch Nicole Levy from 'cuse if she has an open lane she could probably fire one in from the restraining line, Majorana was another one that could do it.

and lastly, most of the better teams keep a good spread of there offensive players, and with the girls being as athletic as they are these days coaches know they must respect that. thats why the only time you saw a team pack in the 12 was SB vs. UMD, and look how that turned out.

In closing, the only one showing how clueless they are,w7x is the Long Island house frau that probably never even played a competitive sport, let alone picked up a stick
Kelly Amonte Hiller named U19 National coach. Anyone ever heard of her??
You really are clueless or just don’t watch college lax. No one said a good offense packs all of their girls inside the 12 but good defenses pack all of their girls inside the 12 and your offensive players outside the 12 or playing at x are no threat to score . Adding two more players just tells me you have absolutely no clue. As far as a team coming back down by 3 being easier if there is a draw , wrong again , without a draw the games are essentially a shooting gallery . Personally I like the draw as it’s a natural break in the action that allows for teams to gather themselves and adjust .[/quote]I would bet that you never played lacrosse on any level. But to answer your question Yes I watch a ton of lacrosse games, not to mention the ones I have played in, or the ones I've coached

First I never said they should add 2 more players, just that the size of the attacking zone could easily accommodate two more players and still have plenty of room.

Second- If a team is down by 2 or more draws they could easily close the gap if they had a good draw girl. I have seen and taken part in many games where, when down, a team has won the draw/face off, scored in under 30 seconds, won another draw/ face-off and scored again in under a minuet. Without the draw even if you score quickly, the other team could run off 90 seconds before you see the ball again. late in a game that could be a killer for a team. If you had ever played in a game you would know this.

Third- If you don't think A girl is a threat from X you haven't watched many lacrosse games, Shannon Smith is one example of a girl that if and when teams had your mindset, she would attack from X and score at will. UMD attacks from X as a standard set against some team with the X player feeding cutters, with the option to attack and shoot if opportunity presents it's self

Fourth- If you think a girl outside the 12 can't score, than you are obviously only watching your daughters team. these days girls shots are getting stronger every year. Watch Nicole Levy from 'cuse if she has an open lane she could probably fire one in from the restraining line, Majorana was another one that could do it.

and lastly, most of the better teams keep a good spread of there offensive players, and with the girls being as athletic as they are these days coaches know they must respect that. thats why the only time you saw a team pack in the 12 was SB vs. UMD, and look how that turned out.

In closing, the only one showing how clueless they are,w7x is the Long Island house frau that probably never even played a competitive sport, let alone picked up a stick[/quote]

Ok. You are responding to several different posters. I will take your points one at a time. I have major doubts that you played at a high level. But that aside...

1. The size of the attacking zone can not easily handle two more players. You keep trying to define the attacking zone by the area under the restraining line. That is not, practically speaking, the area where goals are scored from.

2. Don't disagree. Although a good ride would help.

3. Of course a girl is a threat from X. Don't think anyone was arguing that but if they were, u r correct.

4. This one is ridiculous. Girls do not score from outside the 12. Yes even Levy or Majorana. There are two reasons for that. One, despite how hard you think Levy's shot is, from outside the 12 it's still a joke. But probably more importantly, shooting space and dangerous propelling. You will not ever get a clear shot from outside the 12 and therefore it renders a shot from out there an impossibility. I dare you to scour the internet and find one. Get back to me in a few months when you haven't.

5. That is not the only time a team packed in the 12. Almost all defenses do. In fact the only time you will see defenses stretch well above the 12 is when they are down late and need the ball, or when they are face guarding a particular player.

You can keep trying, but you are not correct about this. The spacing in the men's game with only 6v6 is much better to watch. I happen to like the women's game more actually from a stylistic point of view, but the clogging of the 8 and all the shooting space stoppages and 3 second calls are frustrating to watch. Some of the new rules, like the new set up on 8 meters, and reinstating a major foul for 3-seconds will help.
Great Coach!
Was a very good player in college.
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You really are clueless or just don’t watch college lax. No one said a good offense packs all of their girls inside the 12 but good defenses pack all of their girls inside the 12 and your offensive players outside the 12 or playing at x are no threat to score . Adding two more players just tells me you have absolutely no clue. As far as a team coming back down by 3 being easier if there is a draw , wrong again , without a draw the games are essentially a shooting gallery . Personally I like the draw as it’s a natural break in the action that allows for teams to gather themselves and adjust .
I would bet that you never played lacrosse on any level. But to answer your question Yes I watch a ton of lacrosse games, not to mention the ones I have played in, or the ones I've coached

First I never said they should add 2 more players, just that the size of the attacking zone could easily accommodate two more players and still have plenty of room.

Second- If a team is down by 2 or more draws they could easily close the gap if they had a good draw girl. I have seen and taken part in many games where, when down, a team has won the draw/face off, scored in under 30 seconds, won another draw/ face-off and scored again in under a minuet. Without the draw even if you score quickly, the other team could run off 90 seconds before you see the ball again. late in a game that could be a killer for a team. If you had ever played in a game you would know this.

Third- If you don't think A girl is a threat from X you haven't watched many lacrosse games, Shannon Smith is one example of a girl that if and when teams had your mindset, she would attack from X and score at will. UMD attacks from X as a standard set against some team with the X player feeding cutters, with the option to attack and shoot if opportunity presents it's self

Fourth- If you think a girl outside the 12 can't score, than you are obviously only watching your daughters team. these days girls shots are getting stronger every year. Watch Nicole Levy from 'cuse if she has an open lane she could probably fire one in from the restraining line, Majorana was another one that could do it.

and lastly, most of the better teams keep a good spread of there offensive players, and with the girls being as athletic as they are these days coaches know they must respect that. thats why the only time you saw a team pack in the 12 was SB vs. UMD, and look how that turned out.

In closing, the only one showing how clueless they are,w7x is the Long Island house frau that probably never even played a competitive sport, let alone picked up a stick[/quote]

Ok. You are responding to several different posters. I will take your points one at a time. I have major doubts that you played at a high level. But that aside...

1. The size of the attacking zone can not easily handle two more players. You keep trying to define the attacking zone by the area under the restraining line. That is not, practically speaking, the area where goals are scored from.

2. Don't disagree. Although a good ride would help.

3. Of course a girl is a threat from X. Don't think anyone was arguing that but if they were, u r correct.

4. This one is ridiculous. Girls do not score from outside the 12. Yes even Levy or Majorana. There are two reasons for that. One, despite how hard you think Levy's shot is, from outside the 12 it's still a joke. But probably more importantly, shooting space and dangerous propelling. You will not ever get a clear shot from outside the 12 and therefore it renders a shot from out there an impossibility. I dare you to scour the internet and find one. Get back to me in a few months when you haven't.

5. That is not the only time a team packed in the 12. Almost all defenses do. In fact the only time you will see defenses stretch well above the 12 is when they are down late and need the ball, or when they are face guarding a particular player.

You can keep trying, but you are not correct about this. The spacing in the men's game with only 6v6 is much better to watch. I happen to like the women's game more actually from a stylistic point of view, but the clogging of the 8 and all the shooting space stoppages and 3 second calls are frustrating to watch. Some of the new rules, like the new set up on 8 meters, and reinstating a major foul for 3-seconds will help.

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Shot clock is a double edge sword, use the stall rule that the mens game uses, little by little womens lax is realizing they should just play mens rules. the draw change this year is way over due, i like the 30 sec penalty for off sides as well, get the ball over the line and keep it in the box if refs call stall at some point. mens rules will all work very well in todays womens game
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There is one aspect of the girls game that they need to fix ASAP. Get rid of the draw, please. Do it to start the first half and second half. That's it, then let them start with possession after every goal scored.

Why??


Because it has too much influence on the game for such an insignificant event.
so should hockey get rid of the face off after every goal because Basketball doesn't do it? Obviously it's not an insignificant event if it influences a game, seems pretty significant. A team down by

three can quickly come back if they have a good draw girl. As far as the 60 x 40 field., no good offense is going to pack all there girls into the 12, thats only 14 yards from the goal line, and not enough room to work. counting the crease (3 meters) and room to work (at least another 3 meters) plus the girls at X (another 5 meters) if you square that up thats a 25X25 yard working area of a 40 X 60 yard field. not exactly packed into the 8 (10x10 yards) and still plenty of room to roam. Could fit another attacker and defender if you wanted to and still have room. with your Hockey reference to 3 v 3 being more exciting, A hockey rink is about the same size as the attacking zone below restraint line, and half of it isn't in use at any given time. That being said Hockey full strength is pretty energetic and thats 11 people in half the area on any attack play so your analogy makes no sense. But this is neither hockey nor Basketball so lets take Lacrosse as Lacrosse


You really are clueless or just don’t watch college lax. No one said a good offense packs all of their girls inside the 12 but good defenses pack all of their girls inside the 12 and your offensive players outside the 12 or playing at x are no threat to score . Adding two more players just tells me you have absolutely no clue. As far as a team coming back down by 3 being easier if there is a draw , wrong again , without a draw the games are essentially a shooting gallery . Personally I like the draw as it’s a natural break in the action that allows for teams to gather themselves and adjust .
I would bet that you never played lacrosse on any level. But to answer your question Yes I watch a ton of lacrosse games, not to mention the ones I have played in, or the ones I've coached

First I never said they should add 2 more players, just that the size of the attacking zone could easily accommodate two more players and still have plenty of room.

Second- If a team is down by 2 or more draws they could easily close the gap if they had a good draw girl. I have seen and taken part in many games where, when down, a team has won the draw/face off, scored in under 30 seconds, won another draw/ face-off and scored again in under a minuet. Without the draw even if you score quickly, the other team could run off 90 seconds before you see the ball again. late in a game that could be a killer for a team. If you had ever played in a game you would know this.

Third- If you don't think A girl is a threat from X you haven't watched many lacrosse games, Shannon Smith is one example of a girl that if and when teams had your mindset, she would attack from X and score at will. UMD attacks from X as a standard set against some team with the X player feeding cutters, with the option to attack and shoot if opportunity presents it's self

Fourth- If you think a girl outside the 12 can't score, than you are obviously only watching your daughters team. these days girls shots are getting stronger every year. Watch Nicole Levy from 'cuse if she has an open lane she could probably fire one in from the restraining line, Majorana was another one that could do it.

and lastly, most of the better teams keep a good spread of there offensive players, and with the girls being as athletic as they are these days coaches know they must respect that. thats why the only time you saw a team pack in the 12 was SB vs. UMD, and look how that turned out.

In closing, the only one showing how clueless they are,w7x is the Long Island house frau that probably never even played a competitive sport, let alone picked up a stick


First no one said you said they should add 2 more players which just tells me your reading comprehension is non existent.
Second -If you watch games that have no draws there are many more goals scored in general and if your team rides well you can come back from a deficit much faster than in games with draws .No one cares what you have seen happen in a few games .The nonsense you are writing tells me the only lacrosse you have coached is at the youth level.
Third if you don’t get the fact that there is no reason to chase the player at x and many teams will defend that player at goal line extended or when they are directly behind stand at the top of the crease the very definition of being in the 8 .
Lastly the fact that you state the only time a team packed in the 12 was SB against UMD tells me you are completely ignorant.
Lastly the more you post the more obvious it is that you are not only clueless but even worse you actually think you know the sport .Why do you think they went back to 3 seconds being an 8 meter , because many teams were packing in their defenses you dope. Nicole Levy scoring from outside the 12 rarely if ever has happened and yes have watched her play in everyone of her collegiate games.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great Coach!
Was a very good player in college.


I think you are responding to the Kelly Amonte Hiller comment??

I think it was sarcasm. One of the greatest coaches and one of the greatest players. Canada ain't winning in 2019. Mark it down.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great Coach!
Was a very good player in college.


I think you are responding to the Kelly Amonte Hiller comment??

I think it was sarcasm. One of the greatest coaches and one of the greatest players. Canada ain't winning in 2019. Mark it down.


There's the kiss of death...
You had two "lastly " points . The only team that packed the 8 was Stony Brook. State any other gam that it happened in
Any word on injury to a Gator?
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You had two "lastly " points . The only team that packed the 8 was Stony Brook. State any other gam that it happened in


USC did it all year. especially against Florida!
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You had two "lastly " points . The only team that packed the 8 was Stony Brook. State any other gam that it happened in


Different poster here. If you honestly do not think many women's teams play with their "heels on the 8" you just have not been paying attention. Last year was the worst as the shot clock and no real penalty for 3 seconds both encouraged packing it in. I would have a harder time finding teams that did not pack into the critical scoring area .You are just wrong on this issue and believe the new rules will help some but playing 6 on 6 below the restraining lines does not sound like a bad idea.
The season is upon us. Who is overrated? Who will surprise?

Can Stony Brook live up to the hype?

It would be great to see SBU in the Final Four.
SBU will lose crushingly in the final 8 ... again. NU will surprise. They are preseason outside the top ten. They will not stay there. top 6 team this year. Might make final 4.

BC will disappoint if Kent redshirts. They are a good not great team without her.

Duke will be better than last year (they have to be, right?)

ND is on way down.

Michigan will not be great but will start showing strides under coach neilsen.

Florida will disappoint, again.

Maryland will not win championship this year. UNC might smile
Probable Final Four: Maryland, North Carolina, Stony Brook, Penn State

Best of the rest: Florida, Boston College, Northwestern, Princeton, Penn, USC, Navy, Syracuse

Would love to see someone else make the Final Four or at least the Elite Eight but not sure anyone else has the talent.
[quote=Anonymous]SBU will lose crushingly in the final 8 ... again. NU will surprise. They are preseason outside the top ten. They will not stay there. top 6 team this year. Might make final 4.

BC will disappoint if Kent redshirts. They are a good not great team without her.

Duke will be better than last year (they have to be, right?)

ND is on way down.

Michigan will not be great but will start showing strides under coach neilsen.

Florida will disappoint, again.

Maryland will not win championship this year. UNC might smile

Bold statement UNC might when the championship. Don't go too far out on that limb.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Probable Final Four: Maryland, North Carolina, Stony Brook, Penn State

Best of the rest: Florida, Boston College, Northwestern, Princeton, Penn, USC, Navy, Syracuse

Would love to see someone else make the Final Four or at least the Elite Eight but not sure anyone else has the talent.





What about Loyola, Towson, UMass, Colorado?
How about Hopkins, any chance to make a run?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Probable Final Four: Maryland, North Carolina, Stony Brook, Penn State

Best of the rest: Florida, Boston College, Northwestern, Princeton, Penn, USC, Navy, Syracuse

Would love to see someone else make the Final Four or at least the Elite Eight but not sure anyone else has the talent.





What about Loyola, Towson, UMass, Colorado?
How about Hopkins, any chance to make a run?


No, no, no and no.
And no.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Probable Final Four: Maryland, North Carolina, Stony Brook, Penn State

Best of the rest: Florida, Boston College, Northwestern, Princeton, Penn, USC, Navy, Syracuse

Would love to see someone else make the Final Four or at least the Elite Eight but not sure anyone else has the talent.





What about Loyola, Towson, UMass, Colorado?
How about Hopkins, any chance to make a run?


What about them?
Same as every other year the last decade. Maryland or UNC will win it all. Sport sorely needs a new winner. Florida could have had 2 already with a better coach.SB will have a tough time breaking through with a all LI team but could be final 4
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Same as every other year the last decade. Maryland or UNC will win it all. Sport sorely needs a new winner. Florida could have had 2 already with a better coach.SB will have a tough time breaking through with a all LI team but could be final 4


um .. that is not true. Maryland and UNC have won the last five. The five years before that (the rest of "the last decade") Northwestern won four of them (w MD winning in 2010. Of course prior to that NU won 3 more. So lets include Northwestern in that same as every other year the last decade please.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Same as every other year the last decade. Maryland or UNC will win it all. Sport sorely needs a new winner. Florida could have had 2 already with a better coach.SB will have a tough time breaking through with a all LI team but could be final 4


um .. that is not true. Maryland and UNC have won the last five. The five years before that (the rest of "the last decade") Northwestern won four of them (w MD winning in 2010. Of course prior to that NU won 3 more. So lets include Northwestern in that same as every other year the last decade please.


I believe only 5 teams have won it all over the last 25 years. That is terrible for growing the sport
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Same as every other year the last decade. Maryland or UNC will win it all. Sport sorely needs a new winner. Florida could have had 2 already with a better coach.SB will have a tough time breaking through with a all LI team but could be final 4


um .. that is not true. Maryland and UNC have won the last five. The five years before that (the rest of "the last decade") Northwestern won four of them (w MD winning in 2010. Of course prior to that NU won 3 more. So lets include Northwestern in that same as every other year the last decade please.


Nah ,NW has not been relevant in what feels like a decade so let’s still leave them out, stall ball is dead .
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Same as every other year the last decade. Maryland or UNC will win it all. Sport sorely needs a new winner. Florida could have had 2 already with a better coach.SB will have a tough time breaking through with a all LI team but could be final 4


um .. that is not true. Maryland and UNC have won the last five. The five years before that (the rest of "the last decade") Northwestern won four of them (w MD winning in 2010. Of course prior to that NU won 3 more. So lets include Northwestern in that same as every other year the last decade please.



I believe only 5 teams have won it all over the last 25 years. That is terrible for growing the sport


Have any facts to back up the it’s terrible for growing the sport.
Between the 2008-09 and 2012-13 school years, participation in high-school lacrosse grew 19 percent among girls (to more than 77,000 players) and 15 percent among boys (to nearly 102,000 players), according to data from the National Federation of State High School Associations analyzed by BuzzFeed. Over the past decade, the trend is even stronger, with participation more than doubling over that time.

Among sports with at least 10,000 high schoolers, lacrosse has had the highest growth rate since 2009. Other growth sports include 8-player football (up 12 percent), cross country (up 8 percent for both boys and girls), soccer (up 8 percent for girls, up 7 percent for boys), and girls bowling (up 7 percent).
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Same as every other year the last decade. Maryland or UNC will win it all. Sport sorely needs a new winner. Florida could have had 2 already with a better coach.SB will have a tough time breaking through with a all LI team but could be final 4


um .. that is not true. Maryland and UNC have won the last five. The five years before that (the rest of "the last decade") Northwestern won four of them (w MD winning in 2010. Of course prior to that NU won
3 more. So lets include Northwestern in that same as every other year the last decade please.



I believe only 5 teams have won it all over the last 25 years. That is terrible for growing the sport


Have any facts to back up the it’s terrible for growing the sport.
Between the 2008-09 and 2012-13 school years, participation in high-school lacrosse grew 19 percent among girls (to more than 77,000 players) and 15 percent among boys (to nearly 102,000 players), according to data from the National Federation of State High School Associations analyzed by BuzzFeed. Over the past decade, the trend is even stronger, with participation more than doubling over that time.

Among sports with at least 10,000 high schoolers, lacrosse has had the highest growth rate since 2009. Other growth sports include 8-player football (up 12 percent), cross country (up 8 percent for both boys and girls), soccer (up 8 percent for girls, up 7 percent for boys), and girls bowling (up 7 percent).


How dare you cite facts?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Same as every other year the last decade. Maryland or UNC will win it all. Sport sorely needs a new winner. Florida could have had 2 already with a better coach.SB will have a tough time breaking through with a all LI team but could be final 4


um .. that is not true. Maryland and UNC have won the last five. The five years before that (the rest of "the last decade") Northwestern won four of them (w MD winning in 2010. Of course prior to that NU won 3 more. So lets include Northwestern in that same as every other year the last decade please.


Nah ,NW has not been relevant in what feels like a decade so let’s still leave them out, stall ball is dead .


Right. Beat UNC in the finals 21-7. I believe Maryland stalled the ball against UNC (9-8 final) and Syracuse for close to ten minutes each. Every team did. Thank god for the shot clock.
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Same as every other year the last decade. Maryland or UNC will win it all. Sport sorely needs a new winner. Florida could have had 2 already with a better coach.SB will have a tough time breaking through with a all LI team but could be final 4


um .. that is not true. Maryland and UNC have won the last five. The five years before that (the rest of "the last decade") Northwestern won four of them (w MD winning in 2010. Of course prior to that NU won
3 more. So lets include Northwestern in that same as every other year the last decade please.



I believe only 5 teams have won it all over the last 25 years. That is terrible for growing the sport


Have any facts to back up the it’s terrible for growing the sport.
Between the 2008-09 and 2012-13 school years, participation in high-school lacrosse grew 19 percent among girls (to more than 77,000 players) and 15 percent among boys (to nearly 102,000 players), according to data from the National Federation of State High School Associations analyzed by BuzzFeed. Over the past decade, the trend is even stronger, with participation more than doubling over that time.

Among sports with at least 10,000 high schoolers, lacrosse has had the highest growth rate since 2009. Other growth sports include 8-player football (up 12 percent), cross country (up 8 percent for both boys and girls), soccer (up 8 percent for girls, up 7 percent for boys), and girls bowling (up 7 percent).


How dare you cite facts?


Here is all the facts you need. The National Championship game attendance is down over 50% from its highs over the last few years. Sure more kids are playing but nobody us parents care!

Have any facts to back up the it’s terrible for growing the sport.
Between the 2008-09 and 2012-13 school years, participation in high-school lacrosse grew 19 percent among girls (to more than 77,000 players) and 15 percent among boys (to nearly 102,000 players), according to data from the National Federation of State High School Associations analyzed by BuzzFeed. Over the past decade, the trend is even stronger, with participation more than doubling over that time.

Among sports with at least 10,000 high schoolers, lacrosse has had the highest growth rate since 2009. Other growth sports include 8-player football (up 12 percent), cross country (up 8 percent for both boys and girls), soccer (up 8 percent for girls, up 7 percent for boys), and girls bowling (up 7 percent).[/quote]

How dare you cite facts?
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Here is all the facts you need. The National Championship game attendance is down over 50% from its highs over the last few years. Sure more kids are playing but nobody us parents care!
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Well it's not because more teams aren't winning it. Nobody but the parents care in almost every women's ncaa sport. Sad, but true.
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Same as every other year the last decade. Maryland or UNC will win it all. Sport sorely needs a new winner. Florida could have had 2 already with a better coach.SB will have a tough time breaking through with a all LI team but could be final 4


um .. that is not true. Maryland and UNC have won the last five. The five years before that (the rest of "the last decade") Northwestern won four of them (w MD winning in 2010. Of course prior to that NU won
3 more. So lets include Northwestern in that same as every other year the last decade please.



I believe only 5 teams have won it all over the last 25 years. That is terrible for growing the sport


Have any facts to back up the it’s terrible for growing the sport.
Between the 2008-09 and 2012-13 school years, participation in high-school lacrosse grew 19 percent among girls (to more than 77,000 players) and 15 percent among boys (to nearly 102,000 players), according to data from the National Federation of State High School Associations analyzed by BuzzFeed. Over the past decade, the trend is even stronger, with participation more than doubling over that time.

Among sports with at least 10,000 high schoolers, lacrosse has had the highest growth rate since 2009. Other growth sports include 8-player football (up 12 percent), cross country (up 8 percent for both boys and girls), soccer (up 8 percent for girls, up 7 percent for boys), and girls bowling (up 7 percent).


How dare you cite facts?


Here is all the facts you need. The National Championship game attendance is down over 50% from its highs over the last few years. Sure more kids are playing but nobody us parents care!


2017attendance at Sunday’s championship game was 11,668. The prior record of 10,311 was set in 2004 at Towson University. There were 19,471 fans at the women’s games between Friday and Sunday, also a record.u really are a loser, why come on here with a made up fact. Attendance has a lot of factors ie location, time ,date weather etc.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Same as every other year the last decade. Maryland or UNC will win it all. Sport sorely needs a new winner. Florida could have had 2 already with a better coach.SB will have a tough time breaking through with a all LI team but could be final 4


um .. that is not true. Maryland and UNC have won the last five. The five years before that (the rest of "the last decade") Northwestern won four of them (w MD winning in 2010. Of course prior to that NU won
3 more. So lets include Northwestern in that same as every other year the last decade please.



I believe only 5 teams have won it all over the last 25 years. That is terrible for growing the sport


Have any facts to back up the it’s terrible for growing the sport.
Between the 2008-09 and 2012-13 school years, participation in high-school lacrosse grew 19 percent among girls (to more than 77,000 players) and 15 percent among boys (to nearly 102,000 players), according to data from the National Federation of State High School Associations analyzed by BuzzFeed. Over the past decade, the trend is even stronger, with participation more than doubling over that time.

Among sports with at least 10,000 high schoolers, lacrosse has had the highest growth rate since 2009. Other growth sports include 8-player football (up 12 percent), cross country (up 8 percent for both boys and girls), soccer (up 8 percent for girls, up 7 percent for boys), and girls bowling (up 7 percent).


How dare you cite facts?


Here is all the facts you need. The National Championship game attendance is down over 50% from its highs over the last few years. Sure more kids are playing but nobody us parents care!


It will be up this year with Stong Island hosting. Bet on it.
I'm sure the men playing at the same venue on championship weekend had nothing to do with the attendance at the women's games
The season is here. Some interesting match ups today.

Navy vs Ohio State. Can Navy start off with a win?

Loyola vs Virginia. Both teams have fallen off a bit. Loyola more so. Who will set the tone for the season today?

Boston College Vs Notre Dame. Love the fact that these two challenge themselves early.

Penn State vs Towson. Lions and Tigers no Bears. Tigers not afraid opened with Stony Brook last year lost by 1 then Played PSU close, Can the Tigers upset?

USC vs Virginia Tech. Can The Hokies catch USC looking ahead? USC brutal early season schedule.
Watching ND v BC, is the bald ref a ND alum or does he think he should be the focus of the game? Bad refs need to be addressed
Go JMU! Go Towson!
Cuse with a blowout against uconn!
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Cuse with a blowout against uconn!


Were you expecting a different result?
Northwestern will be much improved this year.
Looking forward to the gators game tomorrow 🐊
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Go JMU! Go Towson!


Didn’t expect to see NC taking a loss, that’s a surprise. Penn State not surprised at all, way way over ranked.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go JMU! Go Towson!


Didn’t expect to see NC taking a loss, that’s a surprise. Penn State not surprised at all, way way over ranked.


Yes, way way over ranked... They have only been to the Final Four the past two years you [ChillLaxin].
That's the problem w pre-season rankings. Everyone has trouble moving past last year and really looking at this year's teams. Navy for instance. Because they made the final 4 they are ranked top ten. They had a great run last year. They are not top ten this year. 9-7 over a very mediocre Ohio State team? Same with Penn State. Yup, they've made two straight final 4's. This year, they aren't as good and lose right out of the gate to Towson. They will not make the final four this year. Their ranking is too high.

Anyone want to bet that Notre Dame is not the 15 best (preseason ranking) team in the country? They looked pretty bad yesterday against BC, who is also ranked too high. Unless they get Kent back (who might redshirt), they are going nowhere.

Final 4:
Maryland
Northwestern
SB
Syracuse

Book it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's the problem w pre-season rankings. Everyone has trouble moving past last year and really looking at this year's teams. Navy for instance. Because they made the final 4 they are ranked top ten. They had a great run last year. They are not top ten this year. 9-7 over a very mediocre Ohio State team? Same with Penn State. Yup, they've made two straight final 4's. This year, they aren't as good and lose right out of the gate to Towson. They will not make the final four this year. Their ranking is too high.

Anyone want to bet that Notre Dame is not the 15 best (preseason ranking) team in the country? They looked pretty bad yesterday against
BC, who is also ranked too high. Unless they get Kent back (who might redshirt), they are going nowhere.

Final 4:
Maryland
Northwestern
SB
Syracuse

Book it.


I would take out cuse and put in UNC but that’s why they play the games . The UNC loss does not completely shock me as it’s early , weather, something like 6-7 players started for UNC who never started before but they do have some very talented freshmen who will take some time plus they have a few studs who should be back from injury soon .Cuse has better coaching so you never know .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go JMU! Go Towson!


Didn’t expect to see NC taking a loss, that’s a surprise. Penn State not surprised at all, way way over ranked.


How did the freshman do at UNC yesterday
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go JMU! Go Towson!


Didn’t expect to see NC taking a loss, that’s a surprise. Penn State not surprised at all, way way over ranked.


How did the freshman do at UNC yesterday
scored her first goal
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's the problem w pre-season rankings. Everyone has trouble moving past last year and really looking at this year's teams. Navy for instance. Because they made the final 4 they are ranked top ten. They had a great run last year. They are not top ten this year. 9-7 over a very mediocre Ohio State team? Same with Penn State. Yup, they've made two straight final 4's. This year, they aren't as good and lose right out of the gate to Towson. They will not make the final four this year. Their ranking is too high.


Anyone want to bet that Notre Dame is not the 15 best (preseason ranking) team in the country? They looked pretty bad yesterday against BC, who is also ranked too high. Unless they get Kent back (who might redshirt), they are going nowhere.

Final 4:
Maryland
Northwestern
SB
Syracuse

Book it.


I guess you are the only one who can rank teams in the preseason.

Not surprised at upsets. What is surprising is the fact that more programs can not compete with the top teams on a more consistent basis.

ND is one of 10 teams that has finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the past six years. Some believe they consistently under achieve but they are always a Top 20 team.

Navy, much like Stony Brook has been doing very well in recent years. Navy is 81 - 21 over the past five seasons averaging 4 losses per year.
They have not played the most difficult schedule but they proved last year that they can compete.

Penn State has not only gone to the Final Four the past two seasons they are also one of the Top 10 programs who have finished in the Top 20 in each of the past six years.

Boston College was in the Final Four last year and they have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in five of the past six seasons.

There are a lot of great schools out there that have not been able to compete with the top programs on a consistent basis.

Why is Michigan not able to compete?
Why has Georgetown not been better?
Why are Penn & Princeton the only Ivy's that compete?
What has happened to Loyola?
Why can't Villanova be more Competitive?
What about William and Mary?
Has Hopkins fallen off?

Stony Brook has found a way to bring in some great players, Navy obviously brought in some very good players. USC without question had been successful in bringing in some excellent players.

Is it just that the top players want to go to the top programs?

Can some coaches not identify talent?

Are the coaches at the top programs simply better at everything?

Does anyone besides Stony Brook have a chance at being a newcomer to The Final Four?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go JMU! Go Towson!


Didn’t expect to see NC taking a loss, that’s a surprise. Penn State not surprised at all, way way over ranked.


How did the freshman do at UNC yesterday


Is there only one freshman at UNC? Must be the smallest recruiting class in history.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's the problem w pre-season rankings. Everyone has trouble moving past last year and really looking at this year's teams. Navy for instance. Because they made the final 4 they are ranked top ten. They had a great run last year. They are not top ten this year. 9-7 over a very mediocre Ohio State team? Same with Penn State. Yup, they've made two straight final 4's. This year, they aren't as good and lose right out of the gate to Towson. They will not make the final four this year. Their ranking is too high.

Anyone want to bet that Notre Dame is not the 15 best (preseason ranking) team in the country? They looked pretty bad yesterday against BC, who is also ranked too high. Unless they get Kent back (who might redshirt), they are going nowhere.

Final 4:
Maryland
Northwestern
SB
Syracuse

Book it.


No shame in losing to Towson, they are a good program. Towson played PSU tough last year and only lost to Stony Brook by a goal. They faltered a bit down the stretch but they are a solid team.

I see that you really went out on a limb with your Final Four picks.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go JMU! Go Towson!


Didn’t expect to see NC taking a loss, that’s a surprise. Penn State not surprised at all, way way over ranked.


How did the freshman do at UNC yesterday


Is there only one freshman at UNC? Must be the smallest recruiting class in history.

Number one recruit in the country. Not rocket science whonthe poster was referring to
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's the problem w pre-season rankings. Everyone has trouble moving past last year and really looking at this year's teams. Navy for instance. Because they made the final 4 they are ranked top ten. They had a great run last year. They are not top ten this year. 9-7 over a very mediocre Ohio State team? Same with Penn State. Yup, they've made two straight final 4's. This year, they aren't as good and lose right out of the gate to Towson. They will not make the final four this year. Their ranking is too high.

Anyone want to bet that Notre Dame is not the 15 best (preseason ranking) team in the country? They looked pretty bad yesterday against BC, who is also ranked too high. Unless they get Kent back (who might redshirt), they are going nowhere.

Final 4:
Maryland
Northwestern
SB
Syracuse

Book it.


No shame in losing to Towson, they are a good program. Towson played PSU tough last year and only lost to Stony Brook by a goal. They faltered a bit down the stretch but they are a solid team.

I see that you really went out on a limb with your Final Four picks.


Northwestern hasn't been in a final four since 2013. Seems like a bold prediction considering they are 11th preseason. SB has never made it there. Seems bold also. Not having UNC in there, also bold ... so yeah, bold predictions.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's the problem w pre-season rankings. Everyone has trouble moving past last year and really looking at this year's teams. Navy for instance. Because they made the final 4 they are ranked top ten. They had a great run last year. They are not top ten this year. 9-7 over a very mediocre Ohio State team? Same with Penn State. Yup, they've made two straight final 4's. This year, they aren't as good and lose right out of the gate to Towson. They will not make the final four this year. Their ranking is too high.


Anyone want to bet that Notre Dame is not the 15 best (preseason ranking) team in the country? They looked pretty bad yesterday against BC, who is also ranked too high. Unless they get Kent back (who might redshirt), they are going nowhere.

Final 4:
Maryland
Northwestern
SB
Syracuse

Book it.


I guess you are the only one who can rank teams in the preseason.

Not surprised at upsets. What is surprising is the fact that more programs can not compete with the top teams on a more consistent basis.

ND is one of 10 teams that has finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the past six years. Some believe they consistently under achieve but they are always a Top 20 team.

Navy, much like Stony Brook has been doing very well in recent years. Navy is 81 - 21 over the past five seasons averaging 4 losses per year.
They have not played the most difficult schedule but they proved last year that they can compete.

Penn State has not only gone to the Final Four the past two seasons they are also one of the Top 10 programs who have finished in the Top 20 in each of the past six years.

Boston College was in the Final Four last year and they have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in five of the past six seasons.

There are a lot of great schools out there that have not been able to compete with the top programs on a consistent basis.

Why is Michigan not able to compete?
Why has Georgetown not been better?
Why are Penn & Princeton the only Ivy's that compete?
What has happened to Loyola?
Why can't Villanova be more Competitive?
What about William and Mary?
Has Hopkins fallen off?

Stony Brook has found a way to bring in some great players, Navy obviously brought in some very good players. USC without question had been successful in bringing in some excellent players.

Is it just that the top players want to go to the top programs?

Can some coaches not identify talent?

Are the coaches at the top programs simply better at everything?

Does anyone besides Stony Brook have a chance at being a newcomer to The Final Four?



Since you needed to be a DB...

Thanks for the recap on ND, Navy, Penn State and BC. Well aware of what they have done in the past. Was not commenting on whether they were top 20 teams. The 20th team in the country is not close to a national championship in women's lacrosse. And specifically, was talking about who was ranked too high or low preseason THIS year. So rather than listing past resumes, why don't you actually respond by telling us, is Penn St ranked correctly at #4? How about Navy at #10? ND at #15? BC at #6 if Kent doesn't play.

Anyone can restate past statistics and then just throw out four million questions. How about an actual forward looking thought? You know, a prediction.

Or do you just want to throw out DB comments and then say absolutely nothing again.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's the problem w pre-season rankings. Everyone has trouble moving past last year and really looking at this year's teams. Navy for instance. Because they made the final 4 they are ranked top ten. They had a great run last year. They are not top ten this year. 9-7 over a very mediocre Ohio State team? Same with Penn State. Yup, they've made two straight final 4's. This year, they aren't as good and lose right out of the gate to Towson. They will not make the final four this year. Their ranking is too high.


Anyone want to bet that Notre Dame is not the 15 best (preseason ranking) team in the country? They looked pretty bad yesterday against BC, who is also ranked too high. Unless they get Kent back (who might redshirt), they are going nowhere.

Final 4:
Maryland
Northwestern
SB
Syracuse

Book it.


I guess you are the only one who can rank teams in the preseason.

Not surprised at upsets. What is surprising is the fact that more programs can not compete with the top teams on a more consistent basis.

ND is one of 10 teams that has finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the past six years. Some believe they consistently under achieve but they are always a Top 20 team.

Navy, much like Stony Brook has been doing very well in recent years. Navy is 81 - 21 over the past five seasons averaging 4 losses per year.
They have not played the most difficult schedule but they proved last year that they can compete.

Penn State has not only gone to the Final Four the past two seasons they are also one of the Top 10 programs who have finished in the Top 20 in each of the past six years.

Boston College was in the Final Four last year and they have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in five of the past six seasons.

There are a lot of great schools out there that have not been able to compete with the top programs on a consistent basis.

Why is Michigan not able to compete?
Why has Georgetown not been better?
Why are Penn & Princeton the only Ivy's that compete?
What has happened to Loyola?
Why can't Villanova be more Competitive?
What about William and Mary?
Has Hopkins fallen off?

Stony Brook has found a way to bring in some great players, Navy obviously brought in some very good players. USC without question had been successful in bringing in some excellent players.

Is it just that the top players want to go to the top programs?

Can some coaches not identify talent?

Are the coaches at the top programs simply better at everything?

Does anyone besides Stony Brook have a chance at being a newcomer to The Final Four?



Oh yeah, and considering Cornell won the Ivy you might want to brush up a little. GO BIG RED!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's the problem w pre-season rankings. Everyone has trouble moving past last year and really looking at this year's teams. Navy for instance. Because they made the final 4 they are ranked top ten. They had a great run last year. They are not top ten this year. 9-7 over a very mediocre Ohio State team? Same with Penn State. Yup, they've made two straight final 4's. This year, they aren't as good and lose right out of the gate to Towson. They will not make the final four this year. Their ranking is too high.


Anyone want to bet that Notre Dame is not the 15 best (preseason ranking) team in the country? They looked pretty bad yesterday against BC, who is also ranked too high. Unless they get Kent back (who might redshirt), they are going nowhere.

Final 4:
Maryland
Northwestern
SB
Syracuse

Book it.


No shame in losing to Towson, they are a good program. Towson played PSU tough last year and only lost to Stony Brook by a goal. They faltered a bit down the stretch but they are a solid team.

I see that you really went out on a limb with your Final Four picks.


Northwestern hasn't been in a final four since 2013. Seems like a bold prediction considering they are 11th preseason. SB has never made it there. Seems bold also. Not having UNC in there, also bold ... so yeah, bold predictions.


Yeah, no. Not bold at all. Stony Brook only newcomer but everyone has them as a top 4 team. Find me a team other than (Maryland, Carolina, Florida, Penn State, Syracuse, Boston College, Northwestrn, Penn, Princeton, Duke, Virginia, Notre Dame) They always seem to be at least Top 20.

How about USC, Colorado, Stanford, JMU, Towson, Elon or even Navy again.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's the problem w pre-season rankings. Everyone has trouble moving past last year and really looking at this year's teams. Navy for instance. Because they made the final 4 they are ranked top ten. They had a great run last year. They are not top ten this year. 9-7 over a very mediocre Ohio State team? Same with Penn State. Yup, they've made two straight final 4's. This year, they aren't as good and lose right out of the gate to Towson. They will not make the final four this year. Their ranking is too high.


Anyone want to bet that Notre Dame is not the 15 best (preseason ranking) team in the country? They looked pretty bad yesterday against BC, who is also ranked too high. Unless they get Kent back (who might redshirt), they are going nowhere.

Final 4:
Maryland
Northwestern
SB
Syracuse

Book it.


No shame in losing to Towson, they are a good program. Towson played PSU tough last year and only lost to Stony Brook by a goal. They faltered a bit down the stretch but they are a solid team.

I see that you really went out on a limb with your Final Four picks.


Northwestern hasn't been in a final four since 2013. Seems like a bold prediction considering they are 11th preseason. SB has never made it there. Seems bold also. Not having UNC in there, also bold ... so yeah, bold predictions.


Yeah, no. Not bold at all. Stony Brook only newcomer but everyone has them as a top 4 team. Find me a team other than (Maryland, Carolina, Florida, Penn State, Syracuse, Boston College, Northwestrn, Penn, Princeton, Duke, Virginia, Notre Dame) They always seem to be at least Top 20.

How about USC, Colorado, Stanford, JMU, Towson, Elon or even Navy again.




Stanford?? ohhh hahahaha, i can't breathe. ohhh haha ha hee ha ... wow that's a good one.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's the problem w pre-season rankings. Everyone has trouble moving past last year and really looking at this year's teams. Navy for instance. Because they made the final 4 they are ranked top ten. They had a great run last year. They are not top ten this year. 9-7 over a very mediocre Ohio State team? Same with Penn State. Yup, they've made two straight final 4's. This year, they aren't as good and lose right out of the gate to Towson. They will not make the final four this year. Their ranking is too high.


Anyone want to bet that Notre Dame is not the 15 best (preseason ranking) team in the country? They looked pretty bad yesterday against BC, who is also ranked too high. Unless they get Kent back (who might redshirt), they are going nowhere.

Final 4:
Maryland
Northwestern
SB
Syracuse

Book it.


No shame in losing to Towson, they are a good program. Towson played PSU tough last year and only lost to Stony Brook by a goal. They faltered a bit down the stretch but they are a solid team.

I see that you really went out on a limb with your Final Four picks.


Northwestern hasn't been in a final four since 2013. Seems like a bold prediction considering they are 11th preseason. SB has never made it there. Seems bold also. Not having UNC in there, also bold ... so yeah, bold predictions.


Yeah, no. Not bold at all. Stony Brook only newcomer but everyone has them as a top 4 team. Find me a team other than (Maryland, Carolina, Florida, Penn State, Syracuse, Boston College, Northwestrn, Penn, Princeton, Duke, Virginia, Notre Dame) They always seem to be at least Top 20.

How about USC, Colorado, Stanford, JMU, Towson, Elon or even Navy again.




You once again say nothing and just list things. What's your prediction, hot shot??
NCAA needs to check Florida team for steroid use!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's the problem w pre-season rankings. Everyone has trouble moving past last year and really looking at this year's teams. Navy for instance. Because they made the final 4 they are ranked top ten. They had a great run last year. They are not top ten this year. 9-7 over a very mediocre Ohio State team? Same with Penn State. Yup, they've made two straight final 4's. This year, they aren't as good and lose right out of the gate to Towson. They will not make the final four this year. Their ranking is too high.


Anyone want to bet that Notre Dame is not the 15 best (preseason ranking) team in the country? They looked pretty bad yesterday against BC, who is also ranked too high. Unless they get Kent back (who might redshirt), they are going nowhere.

Final 4:
Maryland
Northwestern
SB
Syracuse

Book it.


I guess you are the only one who can rank teams in the preseason.

Not surprised at upsets. What is surprising is the fact that more programs can not compete with the top teams on a more consistent basis.

ND is one of 10 teams that has finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the past six years. Some believe they consistently under achieve but they are always a Top 20 team.

Navy, much like Stony Brook has been doing very well in recent years. Navy is 81 - 21 over the past five seasons averaging 4 losses per year.
They have not played the most difficult schedule but they proved last year that they can compete.

Penn State has not only gone to the Final Four the past two seasons they are also one of the Top 10 programs who have finished in the Top 20 in each of the past six years.

Boston College was in the Final Four last year and they have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in five of the past six seasons.

There are a lot of great schools out there that have not been able to compete with the top programs on a consistent basis.

Why is Michigan not able to compete?
Why has Georgetown not been better?
Why are Penn & Princeton the only Ivy's that compete?
What has happened to Loyola?
Why can't Villanova be more Competitive?
What about William and Mary?
Has Hopkins fallen off?

Stony Brook has found a way to bring in some great players, Navy obviously brought in some very good players. USC without question had been successful in bringing in some excellent players.

Is it just that the top players want to go to the top programs?

Can some coaches not identify talent?

Are the coaches at the top programs simply better at everything?

Does anyone besides Stony Brook have a chance at being a newcomer to The Final Four?



Oh yeah, and considering Cornell won the Ivy you might want to brush up a little. GO BIG RED!



Yes, Cornell has won exactly one Ivy Tournament and they have shared a regular season Ivy title exactly one time as well (that was more than 10 years ago). They Made the NCAA tournament in 2016 also for the first time in 10 years. I would not call that competing with the best in the country.

But hey, maybe this will be their year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's the problem w pre-season rankings. Everyone has trouble moving past last year and really looking at this year's teams. Navy for instance. Because they made the final 4 they are ranked top ten. They had a great run last year. They are not top ten this year. 9-7 over a very mediocre Ohio State team? Same with Penn State. Yup, they've made two straight final 4's. This year, they aren't as good and lose right out of the gate to Towson. They will not make the final four this year. Their ranking is too high.


Anyone want to bet that Notre Dame is not the 15 best (preseason ranking) team in the country? They looked pretty bad yesterday against BC, who is also ranked too high. Unless they get Kent back (who might redshirt), they are going nowhere.

Final 4:
Maryland
Northwestern
SB
Syracuse

Book it.


I guess you are the only one who can rank teams in the preseason.

Not surprised at upsets. What is surprising is the fact that more programs can not compete with the top teams on a more consistent basis.

ND is one of 10 teams that has finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the past six years. Some believe they consistently under achieve but they are always a Top 20 team.

Navy, much like Stony Brook has been doing very well in recent years. Navy is 81 - 21 over the past five seasons averaging 4 losses per year.
They have not played the most difficult schedule but they proved last year that they can compete.

Penn State has not only gone to the Final Four the past two seasons they are also one of the Top 10 programs who have finished in the Top 20 in each of the past six years.

Boston College was in the Final Four last year and they have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in five of the past six seasons.

There are a lot of great schools out there that have not been able to compete with the top programs on a consistent basis.

Why is Michigan not able to compete?
Why has Georgetown not been better?
Why are Penn & Princeton the only Ivy's that compete?
What has happened to Loyola?
Why can't Villanova be more Competitive?
What about William and Mary?
Has Hopkins fallen off?

Stony Brook has found a way to bring in some great players, Navy obviously brought in some very good players. USC without question had been successful in bringing in some excellent players.

Is it just that the top players want to go to the top programs?

Can some coaches not identify talent?

Are the coaches at the top programs simply better at everything?

Does anyone besides Stony Brook have a chance at being a newcomer to The Final Four?



Since you needed to be a DB...

Thanks for the recap on ND, Navy, Penn State and BC. Well aware of what they have done in the past. Was not commenting on whether they were top 20 teams. The 20th team in the country is not close to a national championship in women's lacrosse. And specifically, was talking about who was ranked too high or low preseason THIS year. So rather than listing past resumes, why don't you actually respond by telling us, is Penn St ranked correctly at #4? How about Navy at #10? ND at #15? BC at #6 if Kent doesn't play.

Anyone can restate past statistics and then just throw out four million questions. How about an actual forward looking thought? You know, a prediction.

Or do you just want to throw out DB comments and then say absolutely nothing again.



What was Navy ranked at the beginning of last year? Oh, thats right Not in The Top 20 yet they were pretty close at the end. What Teams would you have ranked higher this year? You just told us Penn State, Boston College, Notre Dame and Navy were all overrated? If you can not use last years performance when doing preseason rankings what should you use? Approximately 75% of the players return for each program and the top programs consistently bring in the top recruits. Who should be ranked?

I don't think the post had DB comments. I think the point was why can some other teams not be more competitive on a consistent basis? Upsets happen from time to time. sometimes early in the year sometimes in a conference tournament and sometimes in the NCAA Tournament but for the most part it is the same 10 or 12 teams that fight it out for the Final 8 and eventual Final 4. As good as Stony Brook has been they have not made it past the Final 8. Navy did it, Boston College did it, why can't some of these other schools manage to be more competitive annually? Is it Coaching? Are there not enough quality players to go around?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's the problem w pre-season rankings. Everyone has trouble moving past last year and really looking at this year's teams. Navy for instance. Because they made the final 4 they are ranked top ten. They had a great run last year. They are not top ten this year. 9-7 over a very mediocre Ohio State team? Same with Penn State. Yup, they've made two straight final 4's. This year, they aren't as good and lose right out of the gate to Towson. They will not make the final four this year. Their ranking is too high.



Anyone want to bet that Notre Dame is not the 15 best (preseason ranking) team in the country? They looked pretty bad yesterday against BC, who is also ranked too high. Unless they get Kent back (who might redshirt), they are going nowhere.

Final 4:
Maryland
Northwestern
SB
Syracuse

Book it.


I guess you are the only one who can rank teams in the preseason.

Not surprised at upsets. What is surprising is the fact that more programs can not compete with the top teams on a more consistent basis.

ND is one of 10 teams that has finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the past six years. Some believe they consistently under achieve but they are always a Top 20 team.

Navy, much like Stony Brook has been doing very well in recent years. Navy is 81 - 21 over the past five seasons averaging 4 losses per year.
They have not played the most difficult schedule but they proved last year that they can compete.

Penn State has not only gone to the Final Four the past two seasons they are also one of the Top 10 programs who have finished in the Top 20 in each of the past six years.

Boston College was in the Final Four last year and they have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in five of the past six seasons.

There are a lot of great schools out there that have not been able to compete with the top programs on a consistent basis.

Why is Michigan not able to compete?
Why has Georgetown not been better?
Why are Penn & Princeton the only Ivy's that compete?
What has happened to Loyola?
Why can't Villanova be more Competitive?
What about William and Mary?
Has Hopkins fallen off?

Stony Brook has found a way to bring in some great players, Navy obviously brought in some very good players. USC without question had been successful in bringing in some excellent players.

Is it just that the top players want to go to the top programs?

Can some coaches not identify talent?

Are the coaches at the top programs simply better at everything?

Does anyone besides Stony Brook have a chance at being a newcomer to The Final Four?



Since you needed to be a DB...

Thanks for the recap on ND, Navy, Penn State and BC. Well aware of what they have done in the past. Was not commenting on whether they were top 20 teams. The 20th team in the country is not close to a national championship in women's lacrosse. And specifically, was talking about who was ranked too high or low preseason THIS year. So rather than listing past resumes, why don't you actually respond by telling us, is Penn St ranked correctly at #4? How about Navy at #10? ND at #15? BC at #6 if Kent doesn't play.

Anyone can restate past statistics and then just throw out four million questions. How about an actual forward looking thought? You know, a prediction.

Or do you just want to throw out DB comments and then say absolutely nothing again.



What was Navy ranked at the beginning of last year? Oh, thats right Not in The Top 20 yet they were pretty close at the end. What Teams would you have ranked higher this year? You just told us Penn State, Boston College, Notre Dame and Navy were all overrated? If you can not use last years performance when doing preseason rankings what should you use? Approximately 75% of the players return for each program and the top programs consistently bring in the top recruits. Who should be ranked?

I don't think the post had DB comments. I think the point was why can some other teams not be more competitive on a consistent basis? Upsets happen from time to time. sometimes early in the year sometimes in a conference tournament and sometimes in the NCAA Tournament but for the most part it is the same 10 or 12 teams that fight it out for the Final 8 and eventual Final 4. As good as Stony Brook has been they have not made it past the Final 8. Navy did it, Boston College did it, why can't some of these other schools manage to be more competitive annually? Is it Coaching? Are there not enough quality players to go around?

Navy has apparently been able to pick up some talent and obviously they have a proven winner at the helm. Stony Brook has some incredible players and most people believe their coach is pretty darn good. We know JMU Beat UNC, we know Towson beat PSU and we know Cornell won an Ivy Champinship but none of those programs are consistently among the best. The question was why? I don't think it can be purely coaching (although recruiting is part of coaching).
Michigan has dumped a ton of money into the program, their facilities are great and it is an excellent university, why have they struggled? Not picking on any school, just surprising to me that more schools are not competitive.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's the problem w pre-season rankings. Everyone has trouble moving past last year and really looking at this year's teams. Navy for instance. Because they made the final 4 they are ranked top ten. They had a great run last year. They are not top ten this year. 9-7 over a very mediocre Ohio State team? Same with Penn State. Yup, they've made two straight final 4's. This year, they aren't as good and lose right out of the gate to Towson. They will not make the final four this year. Their ranking is too high.


Anyone want to bet that Notre Dame is not the 15 best (preseason ranking) team in the country? They looked pretty bad yesterday against BC, who is also ranked too high. Unless they get Kent back (who might redshirt), they are going nowhere.

Final 4:
Maryland
Northwestern
SB
Syracuse

Book it.


I guess you are the only one who can rank teams in the preseason.

Not surprised at upsets. What is surprising is the fact that more programs can not compete with the top teams on a more consistent basis.

ND is one of 10 teams that has finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the past six years. Some believe they consistently under achieve but they are always a Top 20 team.

Navy, much like Stony Brook has been doing very well in recent years. Navy is 81 - 21 over the past five seasons averaging 4 losses per year.
They have not played the most difficult schedule but they proved last year that they can compete.

Penn State has not only gone to the Final Four the past two seasons they are also one of the Top 10 programs who have finished in the Top 20 in each of the past six years.

Boston College was in the Final Four last year and they have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in five of the past six seasons.

There are a lot of great schools out there that have not been able to compete with the top programs on a consistent basis.

Why is Michigan not able to compete?
Why has Georgetown not been better?
Why are Penn & Princeton the only Ivy's that compete?
What has happened to Loyola?
Why can't Villanova be more Competitive?
What about William and Mary?
Has Hopkins fallen off?

Stony Brook has found a way to bring in some great players, Navy obviously brought in some very good players. USC without question had been successful in bringing in some excellent players.

Is it just that the top players want to go to the top programs?

Can some coaches not identify talent?

Are the coaches at the top programs simply better at everything?

Does anyone besides Stony Brook have a chance at being a newcomer to The Final Four?



Since you needed to be a DB...

Thanks for the recap on ND, Navy, Penn State and BC. Well aware of what they have done in the past. Was not commenting on whether they were top 20 teams. The 20th team in the country is not close to a national championship in women's lacrosse. And specifically, was talking about who was ranked too high or low preseason THIS year. So rather than listing past resumes, why don't you actually respond by telling us, is Penn St ranked correctly at #4? How about Navy at #10? ND at #15? BC at #6 if Kent doesn't play.

Anyone can restate past statistics and then just throw out four million questions. How about an actual forward looking thought? You know, a prediction.

Or do you just want to throw out DB comments and then say absolutely nothing again.



What was Navy ranked at the beginning of last year? Oh, thats right Not in The Top 20 yet they were pretty close at the end. What Teams would you have ranked higher this year? You just told us Penn State, Boston College, Notre Dame and Navy were all overrated? If you can not use last years performance when doing preseason rankings what should you use? Approximately 75% of the players return for each program and the top programs consistently bring in the top recruits. Who should be ranked?

I don't think the post had DB comments. I think the point was why can some other teams not be more competitive on a consistent basis? Upsets happen from time to time. sometimes early in the year sometimes in a conference tournament and sometimes in the NCAA Tournament but for the most part it is the same 10 or 12 teams that fight it out for the Final 8 and eventual Final 4. As good as Stony Brook has been they have not made it past the Final 8. Navy did it, Boston College did it, why can't some of these other schools manage to be more competitive annually? Is it Coaching? Are there not enough quality players to go around?


Didn't SB lose to MD by 1 in the semi final last year???
It’s really hard for the ivies. You can be the best recruit and want to go to an ivy ( any ivy ) but if you don’t have the grades or the finances you are eliminated. A lot of families won’t even consider the ivies because of the these situations. I for one think that any ivy to be in the top 20 is a huge accomplishment.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's the problem w pre-season rankings. Everyone has trouble moving past last year and really looking at this year's teams. Navy for instance. Because they made the final 4 they are ranked top ten. They had a great run last year. They are not top ten this year. 9-7 over a very mediocre Ohio State team? Same with Penn State. Yup, they've made two straight final 4's. This year, they aren't as good and lose right out of the gate to Towson. They will not make the final four this year. Their ranking is too high.



Anyone want to bet that Notre Dame is not the 15 best (preseason ranking) team in the country? They looked pretty bad yesterday against BC, who is also ranked too high. Unless they get Kent back (who might redshirt), they are going nowhere.

Final 4:
Maryland
Northwestern
SB
Syracuse

Book it.


I guess you are the only one who can rank teams in the preseason.

Not surprised at upsets. What is surprising is the fact that more programs can not compete with the top teams on a more consistent basis.

ND is one of 10 teams that has finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the past six years. Some believe they consistently under achieve but they are always a Top 20 team.

Navy, much like Stony Brook has been doing very well in recent years. Navy is 81 - 21 over the past five seasons averaging 4 losses per year.
They have not played the most difficult schedule but they proved last year that they can compete.

Penn State has not only gone to the Final Four the past two seasons they are also one of the Top 10 programs who have finished in the Top 20 in each of the past six years.

Boston College was in the Final Four last year and they have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in five of the past six seasons.

There are a lot of great schools out there that have not been able to compete with the top programs on a consistent basis.

Why is Michigan not able to compete?
Why has Georgetown not been better?
Why are Penn & Princeton the only Ivy's that compete?
What has happened to Loyola?
Why can't Villanova be more Competitive?
What about William and Mary?
Has Hopkins fallen off?

Stony Brook has found a way to bring in some great players, Navy obviously brought in some very good players. USC without question had been successful in bringing in some excellent players.

Is it just that the top players want to go to the top programs?

Can some coaches not identify talent?

Are the coaches at the top programs simply better at everything?

Does anyone besides Stony Brook have a chance at being a newcomer to The Final Four?



Since you needed to be a DB...

Thanks for the recap on ND, Navy, Penn State and BC. Well aware of what they have done in the past. Was not commenting on whether they were top 20 teams. The 20th team in the country is not close to a national championship in women's lacrosse. And specifically, was talking about who was ranked too high or low preseason THIS year. So rather than listing past resumes, why don't you actually respond by telling us, is Penn St ranked correctly at #4? How about Navy at #10? ND at #15? BC at #6 if Kent doesn't play.

Anyone can restate past statistics and then just throw out four million questions. How about an actual forward looking thought? You know, a prediction.

Or do you just want to throw out DB comments and then say absolutely nothing again.



What was Navy ranked at the beginning of last year? Oh, thats right Not in The Top 20 yet they were pretty close at the end. What Teams would you have ranked higher this year? You just told us Penn State, Boston College, Notre Dame and Navy were all overrated? If you can not use last years performance when doing preseason rankings what should you use? Approximately 75% of the players return for each program and the top programs consistently bring in the top recruits. Who should be ranked?

I don't think the post had DB comments. I think the point was why can some other teams not be more competitive on a consistent basis? Upsets happen from time to time. sometimes early in the year sometimes in a conference tournament and sometimes in the NCAA Tournament but for the most part it is the same 10 or 12 teams that fight it out for the Final 8 and eventual Final 4. As good as Stony Brook has been they have not made it past the Final 8. Navy did it, Boston College did it, why can't some of these other schools manage to be more competitive annually? Is it Coaching? Are there not enough quality players to go around?


Didn't SB lose to MD by 1 in the semi final last year???


No.
Navy kids or that program should never ever be questioned. Those kids do things that is a lot more important than freakin lacrosse. Go to a senior game there where you hear what these women will do upon graduation. Its truly humbling. Just tip your cap and say thanks.
SB will be the bridesmaid again this year. They will be beat by Florida and Maryland. Nobody will be feeling sorry for them due to the pompous attitude of their head coach, his behavior makes it difficult to route for them , despite being the hometown team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB will be the bridesmaid again this year. They will be beat by Florida and Maryland. Nobody will be feeling sorry for them due to the pompous attitude of their head coach, his behavior makes it difficult to route for them , despite being the hometown team.

agreed, the coached and some of the players comments after the MD game were pretty arrogant. Prove it on the field and not in the press conference.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB will be the bridesmaid again this year. They will be beat by Florida and Maryland. Nobody will be feeling sorry for them due to the pompous attitude of their head coach, his behavior makes it difficult to route for them , despite being the hometown team.

agreed, the coached and some of the players comments after the MD game were pretty arrogant. Prove it on the field and not in the press conference.


Seeding and bracket play a role but that said I'm going with:

Maryland
USC
Florida
Northwestrn

I will be rooting for Stony Brook.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB will be the bridesmaid again this year. They will be beat by Florida and Maryland. Nobody will be feeling sorry for them due to the pompous attitude of their head coach, his behavior makes it difficult to route for them , despite being the hometown team.

agreed, the coached and some of the players comments after the MD game were pretty arrogant. Prove it on the field and not in the press conference.


Seeding and bracket play a role but that said I'm going with:

Maryland
USC
Florida
Northwestrn

I will be rooting for Stony Brook.

Florida has too many selfish players to win a championship.
How does Temple get top 20 votes? I went to fall ball to watch my kid play and Hofstra and Lehigh both beat Temple by 12 and 10 respectively. I get fall ball is not spring, but coaches were not subbing much and playing to win. Temple was outclassed. I don’t get it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Navy kids or that program should never ever be questioned. Those kids do things that is a lot more important than freakin lacrosse. Go to a senior game there where you hear what these women will do upon graduation. Its truly humbling. Just tip your cap and say thanks.


Sensitive much. Not sure anyone was saying anything negative about them. Realistically they will never win an NCAA championship but who cares they will do well in all other things.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB will be the bridesmaid again this year. They will be beat by Florida and Maryland. Nobody will be feeling sorry for them due to the pompous attitude of their head coach, his behavior makes it difficult to route for them , despite being the hometown team.

agreed, the coached and some of the players comments after the MD game were pretty arrogant. Prove it on the field and not in the press conference.



Seeding and bracket play a role but that said I'm going with:

Maryland
USC
Florida
Northwestrn

I will be rooting for Stony Brook.

Florida has too many selfish players to win a championship.


Go away hater. Eight different players scored goals yesterday and 50% of the goals were assisted. I'm sure all of the girls hustled , played good defense, picked up ground balls, moved the ball etc..
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's the problem w pre-season rankings. Everyone has trouble moving past last year and really looking at this year's teams. Navy for instance. Because they made the final 4 they are ranked top ten. They had a great run last year. They are not top ten this year. 9-7 over a very mediocre Ohio State team? Same with Penn State. Yup, they've made two straight final 4's. This year, they aren't as good and lose right out of the gate to Towson. They will not make the final four this year. Their ranking is too high.



Anyone want to bet that Notre Dame is not the 15 best (preseason ranking) team in the country? They looked pretty bad yesterday against BC, who is also ranked too high. Unless they get Kent back (who might redshirt), they are going nowhere.

Final 4:
Maryland
Northwestern
SB
Syracuse

Book it.


I guess you are the only one who can rank teams in the preseason.

Not surprised at upsets. What is surprising is the fact that more programs can not compete with the top teams on a more consistent basis.

ND is one of 10 teams that has finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the past six years. Some believe they consistently under achieve but they are always a Top 20 team.

Navy, much like Stony Brook has been doing very well in recent years. Navy is 81 - 21 over the past five seasons averaging 4 losses per year.
They have not played the most difficult schedule but they proved last year that they can compete.

Penn State has not only gone to the Final Four the past two seasons they are also one of the Top 10 programs who have finished in the Top 20 in each of the past six years.

Boston College was in the Final Four last year and they have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in five of the past six seasons.

There are a lot of great schools out there that have not been able to compete with the top programs on a consistent basis.

Why is Michigan not able to compete?
Why has Georgetown not been better?
Why are Penn & Princeton the only Ivy's that compete?
What has happened to Loyola?
Why can't Villanova be more Competitive?
What about William and Mary?
Has Hopkins fallen off?

Stony Brook has found a way to bring in some great players, Navy obviously brought in some very good players. USC without question had been successful in bringing in some excellent players.

Is it just that the top players want to go to the top programs?

Can some coaches not identify talent?

Are the coaches at the top programs simply better at everything?

Does anyone besides Stony Brook have a chance at being a newcomer to The Final Four?



Since you needed to be a DB...

Thanks for the recap on ND, Navy, Penn State and BC. Well aware of what they have done in the past. Was not commenting on whether they were top 20 teams. The 20th team in the country is not close to a national championship in women's lacrosse. And specifically, was talking about who was ranked too high or low preseason THIS year. So rather than listing past resumes, why don't you actually respond by telling us, is Penn St ranked correctly at #4? How about Navy at #10? ND at #15? BC at #6 if Kent doesn't play.

Anyone can restate past statistics and then just throw out four million questions. How about an actual forward looking thought? You know, a prediction.

Or do you just want to throw out DB comments and then say absolutely nothing again.



What was Navy ranked at the beginning of last year? Oh, thats right Not in The Top 20 yet they were pretty close at the end. What Teams would you have ranked higher this year? You just told us Penn State, Boston College, Notre Dame and Navy were all overrated? If you can not use last years performance when doing preseason rankings what should you use? Approximately 75% of the players return for each program and the top programs consistently bring in the top recruits. Who should be ranked?

I don't think the post had DB comments. I think the point was why can some other teams not be more competitive on a consistent basis? Upsets happen from time to time. sometimes early in the year sometimes in a conference tournament and sometimes in the NCAA Tournament but for the most part it is the same 10 or 12 teams that fight it out for the Final 8 and eventual Final 4. As good as Stony Brook has been they have not made it past the Final 8. Navy did it, Boston College did it, why can't some of these other schools manage to be more competitive annually? Is it Coaching? Are there not enough quality players to go around?


Didn't SB lose to MD by 1 in the semi final last year???


No.


SB lost to MD 13-12 for the chance to get into the semi-final, SB had the lead with less than 2 minutes remaining, refs looked like they wanted to see MD win that game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB will be the bridesmaid again this year. They will be beat by Florida and Maryland. Nobody will be feeling sorry for them due to the pompous attitude of their head coach, his behavior makes it difficult to route for them , despite being the hometown team.

agreed, the coached and some of the players comments after the MD game were pretty arrogant. Prove it on the field and not in the press conference.



Seeding and bracket play a role but that said I'm going with:

Maryland
USC
Florida
Northwestrn

I will be rooting for Stony Brook.

Florida has too many selfish players to win a championship.


Go away hater. Eight different players scored goals yesterday and 50% of the goals were assisted. I'm sure all of the girls hustled , played good defense, picked up ground balls, moved the ball etc..


Even the announcer was making comments about Florida forcing the ball. Open your eyes! One player was not happy she only scored 1 goal...tjough she kept on trying to bully her way in. Not a hater, just stating what I saw!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB will be the bridesmaid again this year. They will be beat by Florida and Maryland. Nobody will be feeling sorry for them due to the pompous attitude of their head coach, his behavior makes it difficult to route for them , despite being the hometown team.

agreed, the coached and some of the players comments after the MD game were pretty arrogant. Prove it on the field and not in the press conference.



Seeding and bracket play a role but that said I'm going with:

Maryland
USC
Florida
Northwestrn

I will be rooting for Stony Brook.

Florida has too many selfish players to win a championship.


Go away hater. Eight different players scored goals yesterday and 50% of the goals were assisted. I'm sure all of the girls hustled , played good defense, picked up ground balls, moved the ball etc..


Even the announcer was making comments about Florida forcing the ball. Open your eyes! One player was not happy she only scored 1 goal...tjough she kept on trying to bully her way in. Not a hater, just stating what I saw!


Really? I watched that whole game and I didn't see any of that. I was actually very impressed how they moved the ball when they got doubled right away. Most of the goals came from the crease off assists. Maybe u should go back and watch, or maybe you just don't know what you are looking at.
USC is a final 4 team. Young athletic and a few great transfers not to mention the games best goalie!
Didn't SB lose to MD by 1 in the semi final last year???[/quote]

No.
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SB lost to MD 13-12 for the chance to get into the semi-final, SB had the lead with less than 2 minutes remaining, refs looked like they wanted to see MD win that game[/quote]
Maybe the refs were tired of calling 3 seconds ... over 30 times on SB.Maybe they also realized that the team cheating shouldn't win. Thank God. Maryland plays the game the right way. They were the better team by miles. The rules are back to how they should be. Go Terps!!!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB will be the bridesmaid again this year. They will be beat by Florida and Maryland. Nobody will be feeling sorry for them due to the pompous attitude of their head coach, his behavior makes it difficult to route for them , despite being the hometown team.

agreed, the coached and some of the players comments after the MD game were pretty arrogant. Prove it on the field and not in the press conference.



Seeding and bracket play a role but that said I'm going with:

Maryland
USC
Florida
Northwestrn

I will be rooting for Stony Brook.

Florida has too many selfish players to win a championship.


Go away hater. Eight different players scored goals yesterday and 50% of the goals were assisted. I'm sure all of the girls hustled , played good defense, picked up ground balls, moved the ball etc..


Even the announcer was making comments about Florida forcing the ball. Open your eyes! One player was not happy she only scored 1 goal...tjough she kept on trying to bully her way in. Not a hater, just stating what I saw!


Bitter, Jealous , Hater.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Navy kids or that program should never ever be questioned. Those kids do things that is a lot more important than freakin lacrosse. Go to a senior game there where you hear what these women will do upon graduation. Its truly humbling. Just tip your cap and say thanks.


Sensitive much. Not sure anyone was saying anything negative about them. Realistically they will never win an NCAA championship but who cares they will do well in all other things.


What a D***!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
USC is a final 4 team. Young athletic and a few great transfers not to mention the games best goalie!


The goalie is exceptional but not the games best. She does bring a lot to the team and I'm not knocking her in the least, she's just not the games best.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
USC is a final 4 team. Young athletic and a few great transfers not to mention the games best goalie!


The goalie is exceptional but not the games best. She does bring a lot to the team and I'm not knocking her in the least, she's just not the games best.


I don't understand why USC gets ranked so highly. Weak schedule.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
USC is a final 4 team. Young athletic and a few great transfers not to mention the games best goalie!


The goalie is exceptional but not the games best. She does bring a lot to the team and I'm not knocking her in the least, she's just not the games best.


I don't understand why USC gets ranked so highly. Weak schedule.


Come on, they play the vaunted Stanford Cardinal twice! Cue the guy who keeps putting Stanford on the list of possible final 4 teams. Ohhhhh such silliness. How'd the opener go against Denver?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
USC is a final 4 team. Young athletic and a few great transfers not to mention the games best goalie!


The goalie is exceptional but not the games best. She does bring a lot to the team and I'm not knocking her in the least, she's just not the games best.


I don't understand why USC gets ranked so highly. Weak schedule.



Come on, they play the vaunted Stanford Cardinal twice! Cue the guy who keeps putting Stanford on the list of possible final 4 teams. Ohhhhh such silliness. How'd the opener go against Denver?


Your bitterness comes through loud and clear. I'm guessing your daughter was not offered a spot at Stanford. Or maybe she did not have the grades.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
USC is a final 4 team. Young athletic and a few great transfers not to mention the games best goalie!


The goalie is exceptional but not the games best. She does bring a lot to the team and I'm not knocking her in the least, she's just not the games best.


I don't understand why USC gets ranked so highly. Weak schedule.



Come on, they play the vaunted Stanford Cardinal twice! Cue the guy who keeps putting Stanford on the list of possible final 4 teams. Ohhhhh such silliness. How'd the opener go against Denver?


Your bitterness comes through loud and clear. I'm guessing your daughter was not offered a spot at Stanford. Or maybe she did not have the grades.


Ha, that's what all you [ChillLaxin] Cardinal people think. Who would ever choose anything but Staaanfohd? Hysterical. And so typical to think that your little princess must be good enough to lead the Cardinal to the final four. Funny. Believe me, the rest of the real students at Stanford don't think your daughter "had the grades". HAHAHAHAHA.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Navy kids or that program should never ever be questioned. Those kids do things that is a lot more important than freakin lacrosse. Go to a senior game there where you hear what these women will do upon graduation. Its truly humbling. Just tip your cap and say thanks.


Sensitive much. Not sure anyone was saying anything negative about them. Realistically they will never win an NCAA championship but who cares they will do well in all other things.


What a D***!

Carnac says " Whats that weird taste in your mouth". Dude you are really sensitive .Exactly what has your panties in a bunch.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
USC is a final 4 team. Young athletic and a few great transfers not to mention the games best goalie!


The goalie is exceptional but not the games best. She does bring a lot to the team and I'm not knocking her in the least, she's just not the games best.


I don't understand why USC gets ranked so highly. Weak schedule.



Come on, they play the vaunted Stanford Cardinal twice! Cue the guy who keeps putting Stanford on the list of possible final 4 teams. Ohhhhh such silliness. How'd the opener go against Denver?


Your bitterness comes through loud and clear. I'm guessing your daughter was not offered a spot at Stanford. Or maybe she did not have the grades.


Ha, that's what all you [ChillLaxin] Cardinal people think. Who would ever choose anything but Staaanfohd? Hysterical. And so typical to think that your little princess must be good enough to lead the Cardinal to the final four. Funny. Believe me, the rest of the real students at Stanford don't think your daughter "had the grades". HAHAHAHAHA.


Actually none of my children attend Stanford nor are any committed to the university. However, unlike you I do not harbor resentment or try to tear down the school or the players who compete for The Cardinal. As for the real students at Stanford go , they are well aware of the athletes and they take pride in knowing that they represent the university well in the classroom and on field/court/track/pool etc. There are probably 1000 athletes at Stanford 1 in every 7 undergraduates is a Varsity Athlete. There are several reasons that the university makes athletics a priority and one of those is that many Stanford athletes go on to be leaders in their chosen field of endeavor. Maybe you or your daughter will work for a Stanford (Athlete) Graduate some day.

Keep hating and keep trying to tear others down. Just don't pass your negative traits to your children.




Ha, that's what all you [ChillLaxin] Cardinal people think. Who would ever choose anything but Staaanfohd? Hysterical. And so typical to think that your little princess must be good enough to lead the Cardinal to the final four. Funny. Believe me, the rest of the real students at Stanford don't think your daughter "had the grades". HAHAHAHAHA.[/quote]

You sound like a whiny 12 year old.



Come on, they play the vaunted Stanford Cardinal twice! Cue the guy who keeps putting Stanford on the list of possible final 4 teams. Ohhhhh such silliness. How'd the opener go against Denver? [/quote]

Your bitterness comes through loud and clear. I'm guessing your daughter was not offered a spot at Stanford. Or maybe she did not have the grades.
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Ha, that's what all you [ChillLaxin] Cardinal people think. Who would ever choose anything but Staaanfohd? Hysterical. And so typical to think that your little princess must be good enough to lead the Cardinal to the final four. Funny. Believe me, the rest of the real students at Stanford don't think your daughter "had the grades". HAHAHAHAHA.[/quote]

Actually none of my children attend Stanford nor are any committed to the university. However, unlike you I do not harbor resentment or try to tear down the school or the players who compete for The Cardinal. As for the real students at Stanford go , they are well aware of the athletes and they take pride in knowing that they represent the university well in the classroom and on field/court/track/pool etc. There are probably 1000 athletes at Stanford 1 in every 7 undergraduates is a Varsity Athlete. There are several reasons that the university makes athletics a priority and one of those is that many Stanford athletes go on to be leaders in their chosen field of endeavor. Maybe you or your daughter will work for a Stanford (Athlete) Graduate some day.

Keep hating and keep trying to tear others down. Just don't pass your negative traits to your children.
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Stanford Envy. Probably not your only "Envy". You sure know a lot about The Cardinal. In fact you even know what other students there think of the athletes. No you don't.
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