Home
Posted By: The Hop Complaint Department - 08/10/15 01:42 AM
Use this thread for miscellaneous complaints about coaches, parents, refs, directors etc.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 01:45 AM
Why would you promote this? There is enough complaints in the board especially when everyone is anonymous . Why let people and programs be slandered .
Posted By: The Hop Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 01:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why would you promote this? There is enough complaints in the board especially when everyone is anonymous . Why let people and programs be slandered .


wth are you talking bout Willis?

This thread was created to clear up the Lost and Found thread that has become something it should not be.

Relax and don't slander anyone!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 02:02 AM
my sons coach is a mean person
my sons summer team charges too much
my wife keeps getting older
nobody thinks my kid is as good as I know he is
the girls game has too many whistles
early recruiting is great if you sign early
early recruiting sucks if you don't sign early
if they had sticks like today's when I played I would have rocked
my boss undervalues my worth
i hate Gary Coleman references
Trumps douchery is taking away from the other candidates douchery
did i mention that my wife keeps getting older
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 02:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
my sons coach is a mean person
my sons summer team charges too much
my wife keeps getting older
nobody thinks my kid is as good as I know he is
the girls game has too many whistles
early recruiting is great if you sign early
early recruiting sucks if you don't sign early
if they had sticks like today's when I played I would have rocked
my boss undervalues my worth
i hate Gary Coleman references
Trumps douchery is taking away from the other candidates douchery
did i mention that my wife keeps getting older


You forgot one.

Your a gimp.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 02:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why would you promote this? There is enough complaints in the board especially when everyone is anonymous . Why let people and programs be slandered .


Supports the site's recent move toward being more like the Jerry Springer show.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 02:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
my sons coach is a mean person
my sons summer team charges too much
my wife keeps getting older
nobody thinks my kid is as good as I know he is
the girls game has too many whistles
early recruiting is great if you sign early
early recruiting sucks if you don't sign early
if they had sticks like today's when I played I would have rocked
my boss undervalues my worth
i hate Gary Coleman references
Trumps douchery is taking away from the other candidates douchery
did i mention that my wife keeps getting older


You forgot one.

Your a gimp.


You're a gimp
Posted By: The Hop Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 03:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why would you promote this? There is enough complaints in the board especially when everyone is anonymous . Why let people and programs be slandered .


Supports the site's recent move toward being more like the Jerry Springer show.


Of which your a contributor. Congrats!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 11:40 AM
Ground balls during a face off should be an entirely different stat. It's one thing to get a loose ball from anywhere on the field and a different thing to have "loose" ball set right in front of your face.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 01:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ground balls during a face off should be an entirely different stat. It's one thing to get a loose ball from anywhere on the field and a different thing to have "loose" ball set right in front of your face.


to go a step further - F/O wins should only be clean wins they need a new stat for "team" face off win - it is so silly when a kid wins the draw clean, ball goes right to the wing person who doesn't control the GB, a scrum happens and the other team gets the ball, now the fogo gets the win when in fact he lost the draw
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 02:06 PM
Should be some interesting conversation on here smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 03:50 PM
Anonymous posters suck and should not be allowed to post on BOTC - the dialog would be greatly enhanced by register users only post rule
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anonymous posters suck and should not be allowed to post on BOTC - the dialog would be greatly enhanced by register users only post rule


While I personally agree with you, the web policy allows anonymous posting. Maybe we can look at it as keeping us all on out toes. Also, people who do not post with their names are really anonymous as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 04:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anonymous posters suck and should not be allowed to post on BOTC - the dialog would be greatly enhanced by register users only post rule


.....and yet you post anonymously yourself. Dopey
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 05:01 PM
There used to be links to most of the Long Island-based travel team websites (as well as Connecticut and Maryland teams), which was a good resource for players and parents looking for these organizations. Why were those taken down? Can those be put back on the site?
Posted By: TheBackOfTheCage Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 05:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There used to be links to most of the Long Island-based travel team websites (as well as Connecticut and Maryland teams), which was a good resource for players and parents looking for these organizations. Why were those taken down? Can those be put back on the site?


They were taken down because some of the clubs were acting in a manner that were not in the best interest of the players or their parents. BOTC will not promote clubs that are not focused on the kids as much as they are to their bottom-line.

We have organizations like My Tournaments/Team 91/LI Hurricanes/ and quite a few more all owned and run by the same people. They appear to manipulate their teams in their own tournaments.

BOTC commands a very serious amount of views over the course of a day, week, and month, so much so, that we found ourselves being used...and we have stopped that.

By having a list of clubs we would be contributing to this "smoke and mirrors" mechanism on the part of multiple teams under a single ownership or control.

If you have a question about a specific club you can email or private message us or make a post.

As I told the folks at My Tournaments, Sean Chamberlain & Co., when they kept your money after canceling the Lax Fest, and BOTC took them to task on this board, and received a terse and combative toned phone call basically telling me that their advertising bought our silence, I informed the caller that BOTC is NOT for sale to any advertiser.

if a club screws up or [lacrosse] over a player or does anything that we deem unsatisfactory we will say something...advertiser or not.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 05:38 PM
Rock on Larry!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 05:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
my sons coach is a mean person
my sons summer team charges too much
my wife keeps getting older
nobody thinks my kid is as good as I know he is
the girls game has too many whistles
early recruiting is great if you sign early
early recruiting sucks if you don't sign early
if they had sticks like today's when I played I would have rocked
my boss undervalues my worth
i hate Gary Coleman references
Trumps douchery is taking away from the other candidates douchery
did i mention that my wife keeps getting older


Hilarious! Posts like this make BOTC irresistable.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 05:50 PM
My beef is with clubs that can't get back to you when you send e-mail asking a few questions. Three clubs have not gotten back to me in over a week now. I know people go on vacation and such, but all these clubs sent emails out regarding tryouts. Is it too much to ask to have someone monitor your business website and respond back ? Even a simple- we don't know yet, is better than nothing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/10/15 06:05 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There used to be links to most of the Long Island-based travel team websites (as well as Connecticut and Maryland teams), which was a good resource for players and parents looking for these organizations. Why were those taken down? Can those be put back on the site?


They were taken down because some of the clubs were acting in a manner that were not in the best interest of the players or their parents. BOTC will promote clubs that are not focused on the kids as much as they are to their bottom-line.

We have organizations like My Tournaments/Team 91/LI Hurricanes/ and quite a few more all owned and run by the same people. They appear to manipulate their teams in their own tournaments.

BOTC commands a very serious amount of views over the course of a day, week, and month, so much so, that we found ourselves being used...and we have stopped that.

By having a list of clubs we would be contributing to this "smoke and mirrors" mechanism on the part of multiple teams under a single ownership or control.

If you have a question about a specific club you can email or private message us or make a post.

As I told the folks at My Tournaments, Sean Chamberlain & Co., when they kept your money after canceling the Lax Fest, and BOTC took them to task on this board, and received a terse and combative toned phone call basically telling me that their advertising bought our silence, I informed the caller that BOTC is NOT for sale to any advertiser.

if a club screws up or [lacrosse] over a player or does anything that we deem unsatisfactory we will say something...advertiser or not.



smart move.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/11/15 12:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There used to be links to most of the Long Island-based travel team websites (as well as Connecticut and Maryland teams), which was a good resource for players and parents looking for these organizations. Why were those taken down? Can those be put back on the site?


They were taken down because some of the clubs were acting in a manner that were not in the best interest of the players or their parents. BOTC will promote clubs that are not focused on the kids as much as they are to their bottom-line.

We have organizations like My Tournaments/Team 91/LI Hurricanes/ and quite a few more all owned and run by the same people. They appear to manipulate their teams in their own tournaments.

BOTC commands a very serious amount of views over the course of a day, week, and month, so much so, that we found ourselves being used...and we have stopped that.

By having a list of clubs we would be contributing to this "smoke and mirrors" mechanism on the part of multiple teams under a single ownership or control.

If you have a question about a specific club you can email or private message us or make a post.

As I told the folks at My Tournaments, Sean Chamberlain & Co., when they kept your money after canceling the Lax Fest, and BOTC took them to task on this board, and received a terse and combative toned phone call basically telling me that their advertising bought our silence, I informed the caller that BOTC is NOT for sale to any advertiser.

if a club screws up or [lacrosse] over a player or does anything that we deem unsatisfactory we will say something...advertiser or not.



smart move.


I can see your point about not wanting to support clubs with some self serving motives, but I still think there should be a website where someone can go to see all of the clubs in an area of the country and also see what level of play (AA, A, B, etc) those clubs typically register their teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/11/15 02:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There used to be links to most of the Long Island-based travel team websites (as well as Connecticut and Maryland teams), which was a good resource for players and parents looking for these organizations. Why were those taken down? Can those be put back on the site?


They were taken down because some of the clubs were acting in a manner that were not in the best interest of the players or their parents. BOTC will promote clubs that are not focused on the kids as much as they are to their bottom-line.

We have organizations like My Tournaments/Team 91/LI Hurricanes/ and quite a few more all owned and run by the same people. They appear to manipulate their teams in their own tournaments.

BOTC commands a very serious amount of views over the course of a day, week, and month, so much so, that we found ourselves being used...and we have stopped that.

By having a list of clubs we would be contributing to this "smoke and mirrors" mechanism on the part of multiple teams under a single ownership or control.

If you have a question about a specific club you can email or private message us or make a post.

As I told the folks at My Tournaments, Sean Chamberlain & Co., when they kept your money after canceling the Lax Fest, and BOTC took them to task on this board, and received a terse and combative toned phone call basically telling me that their advertising bought our silence, I informed the caller that BOTC is NOT for sale to any advertiser.

if a club screws up or [lacrosse] over a player or does anything that we deem unsatisfactory we will say something...advertiser or not.



smart move.


I can see your point about not wanting to support clubs with some self serving motives, but I still think there should be a website where someone can go to see all of the clubs in an area of the country and also see what level of play (AA, A, B, etc) those clubs typically register their teams.


Not supporting those clubs is admirable and just; however, not allowing those clubs to be mentioned on a lacrosse board (positively or negatively) is silly. Like a 8 year old taking his ball and going home and ruining for the rest of the kids that want to play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/11/15 09:43 PM
Where are the Hurricane parents? 3/4 grade team was ran poorly. Coach pulled out of a tournament without letting most of the team know. They were wandering around the tournament looking for him. The dad called the night before and was told by the coach that he was busy eating . Ended up with a college kid coaching the sidelines most games and barely got the ball over the mid line.Then they brought in part of a team from Massapequa for another game. Parents were chasing them for refunds that were promised but ended up with a $250 credit for next season. This team seems like it was a 91 off shoot simply set up to hurt igloos numbers . Same thing with the Ducks this year near Legacy .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/11/15 10:37 PM
Hurricanes had a great thing going, but the Director was a no show and the guy that 91 assigned to run it couldn't care less about the club. He was an all star lax player at and when he showed up to the Hub, all he did was talk to coaches or sit on the bench. They will be thanked by nobody re-enrolling this season. Maybe they can learn their lesson that parents aren't stupid and they watch what goes on!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/11/15 11:00 PM
The players who were on Hurricanes never would have made Igloo. No loss there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/12/15 02:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The players who were on Hurricanes never would have made Igloo. No loss there.


Please. It's Igloo, not the Bandits. Plenty of those kids would have made it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/12/15 06:04 PM
Work sucks today
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/12/15 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Work sucks today
my wife's cooking sucks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/13/15 03:38 AM
Completely untrue! Busy eating? Walking around a tournament? That is biggest bunch of nonsense I have seen in a while. Come on guy. Instead of an anonymous post why dont you send Legacy an email or call them?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/13/15 02:08 PM
I see the term "dad coach" thrown around here pretty often, usually in a negative way. Is this because of the perceived and/or actual favoritism towards their own kids? What exactly constitutes a "dad coach". Example, Joe Smith coaches his sons club team but is also the head coach of a school's varsity or JV team. Does that render him dad coach status?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/13/15 02:21 PM
Yes. That's dad coach status. People have to accept the fact that any parent coaching their kid will have an inherent bias. And based upon experience with many teams the coaches kid is one of the more skilled players 90% of the time (I did not say best player). Often that is a simple function of parent having devoted time to playing one on one with their child. Most important is whether the parent coach is qualified. Good luck trying to find enough experienced and qualified non-parent coaches for all of these teams. And unless you are willing to step up and coach and do a better job, stop complaining. Welcome to life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/13/15 05:37 PM
We also see that the dad coaches son never comes off the field, gets choice spots whether they belong there or not and let's not forget about daddy coaches son's best friends. I can deal with that in town teams for a lousy few hundred. But when it's a few grand I'd rather have an unbiased coach. And plenty of good teams have those.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/13/15 05:59 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There used to be links to most of the Long Island-based travel team websites (as well as Connecticut and Maryland teams), which was a good resource for players and parents looking for these organizations. Why were those taken down? Can those be put back on the site?


They were taken down because some of the clubs were acting in a manner that were not in the best interest of the players or their parents. BOTC will not promote clubs that are not focused on the kids as much as they are to their bottom-line.

We have organizations like My Tournaments/Team 91/LI Hurricanes/ and quite a few more all owned and run by the same people. They appear to manipulate their teams in their own tournaments.

BOTC commands a very serious amount of views over the course of a day, week, and month, so much so, that we found ourselves being used...and we have stopped that.

By having a list of clubs we would be contributing to this "smoke and mirrors" mechanism on the part of multiple teams under a single ownership or control.

If you have a question about a specific club you can email or private message us or make a post.

As I told the folks at My Tournaments, Sean Chamberlain & Co., when they kept your money after canceling the Lax Fest, and BOTC took them to task on this board, and received a terse and combative toned phone call basically telling me that their advertising bought our silence, I informed the caller that BOTC is NOT for sale to any advertiser.

if a club screws up or [lacrosse] over a player or does anything that we deem unsatisfactory we will say something...advertiser or not.

A breath of fresh air
Values and ethics trumps greed
Rarely seen these days
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/13/15 06:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes. That's dad coach status. People have to accept the fact that any parent coaching their kid will have an inherent bias. And based upon experience with many teams the coaches kid is one of the more skilled players 90% of the time (I did not say best player). Often that is a simple function of parent having devoted time to playing one on one with their child. Most important is whether the parent coach is qualified. Good luck trying to find enough experienced and qualified non-parent coaches for all of these teams. And unless you are willing to step up and coach and do a better job, stop complaining. Welcome to life.


Thanks for the reply and I agree with your last sentence in particular. I do find it a bit disheartening that this term is given such a negative connotation around here
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/13/15 06:40 PM
No doubt an independent coach is the ideal. I'm just suggesting that there are not enough good coaches even if you're paying. And I'm just pointing out reality. My own son is faced with the issue. The coach and [lacrosse]'t coach both have a son on the team. That's 2 spots immediately filled. And at least two other kids are friends and play in the same town and they are not very good. Doesn't matter, that's now 4 spots filled. The conflicts abound. I can suck it up and deal with it or I can waste countless hours trying to find teams for my son to try out for where there is no parent coach. I suspect that just trying to extract that information during tryouts will be near impossible. Values and ethics should trump greed but it won't.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/13/15 07:28 PM
My two sons are both on travel teams with Daddy coaches. It's a tale of two cities.

On one team, the coaches's sons are assist machines and play any position needed by the team and coaches are tough on them. Total communication and organization. Kids have fun, get in a ton of practices and tons of reps in practice. No BS. Plenty of championships but also losses to better teams they can learn from.

On the other team, coaches's sons are nice kids who belong on the team but not starting. Coaches are good but the overplaying of their kids is tearing team apart. Tons of BS. It's sad because it's a great group of kids.

As parents, I think we all know there is going to be some coach's courtesy to their sons, but it's got to be balanced and the coach's have to have a grip on reality and care about putting the team first.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/14/15 01:30 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I see the term "dad coach" thrown around here pretty often, usually in a negative way. Is this because of the perceived and/or actual favoritism towards their own kids? What exactly constitutes a "dad coach". Example, Joe Smith coaches his sons club team but is also the head coach of a school's varsity or JV team. Does that render him dad coach status?


Bill Tierney is a dad coach, he and his son did okay. His kid was a goalie though, so it is different all together. Maybe that is the key, dad coaches should have fogos or goalies.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/14/15 04:21 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I see the term "dad coach" thrown around here pretty often, usually in a negative way. Is this because of the perceived and/or actual favoritism towards their own kids? What exactly constitutes a "dad coach". Example, Joe Smith coaches his sons club team but is also the head coach of a school's varsity or JV team. Does that render him dad coach status?


Bill Tierney is a dad coach, he and his son did okay. His kid was a goalie though, so it is different all together. Maybe that is the key, dad coaches should have fogos or goalies.


Many say his preference for his son playing at Priceton is a reason for him being asked to leave.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/15/15 12:41 AM
Isn't he the Denver coach who said he would never recruit early but somehow there are 2018s verbally committed?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/15/15 03:11 AM
Parent coaching goes bad when their sons aren't strong players and they over play them. This creates a problem in youth, hs, or even college. In youth whem the coach builds a team around his mediocre so it's a reciepe for disaster. No one is fooled.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/17/15 04:03 AM
Everyone ready for this years CATTLE CALLS !
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/17/15 12:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone ready for this years CATTLE CALLS !

MMMMOOOOOWWWWW!!!!!!!
Posted By: The Hop Re: Complaint Department - 08/17/15 02:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone ready for this years CATTLE CALLS !

MMMMOOOOOWWWWW!!!!!!!


Are you excited to mow your lawn?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/17/15 07:41 PM
Conflicting tryout dates.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/17/15 11:31 PM
Why do the Long Island based Clubs not have their own
Threads while the Maryland Clubs do?
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Complaint Department - 08/17/15 11:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do the Long Island based Clubs not have their own
Threads while the Maryland Clubs do?


Now.. I have a question for you.. Who are you and who are you affiliated with?

We do not discuss our business with anonymous posters.

If you want to know register and sign in or email me.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/17/15 11:47 PM
I am a long time consumer of your product.
I am sitting on the LIRR right now looking through
Postings My wife has my son at a tryout tonight.
I was looking for feedback from other consumers
Before I commit thousands of dollars to another year
Of travel lacrosse. Back of the Cage was always a
Good source of club specific information. No conspiracy
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Complaint Department - 08/17/15 11:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am a long time consumer of your product.
I am sitting on the LIRR right now looking through
Postings My wife has my son at a tryout tonight.
I was looking for feedback from other consumers
Before I commit thousands of dollars to another year
Of travel lacrosse. Back of the Cage was always a
Good source of club specific information. No conspiracy


Well, then you have plenty of time to send me an email.

cjowins@optonline.net

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/18/15 02:35 AM
There is a rumor abounding at this years tryouts that a Chaminade coach is instructing his 2018 players to avoid playing for certain travel teams...I'm guessing any travel team that isn't Express or poses any kinda talent drain to Express. My kid plays for neither, but parents if this is true, what the &$@!, it's time to stop the nonsense and push back ...who makes these decisions, you or the coach...so many are afraid of blowing there kids chances by pissing off the coach...what have we come to...these guys can suck your wallet dry with their travel team associations AND determine your kids future for you...? where is the loyalty, they get to make you break ties with teams who taught your kid to play the game? this sucks and we give them this power by knuckling under...anybody hear this same rumor. What do you feel about it?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/18/15 02:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is a rumor abounding at this years tryouts that a Chaminade coach is instructing his 2018 players to avoid playing for certain travel teams...I'm guessing any travel team that isn't Express or poses any kinda talent drain to Express. My kid plays for neither, but parents if this is true, what the &$@!, it's time to stop the nonsense and push back ...who makes these decisions, you or the coach...so many are afraid of blowing there kids chances by pissing off the coach...what have we come to...these guys can suck your wallet dry with their travel team associations AND determine your kids future for you...? where is the loyalty, they get to make you break ties with teams who taught your kid to play the game? this sucks and we give them this power by knuckling under...anybody hear this same rumor. What do you feel about it?


I say good for them. Sorry I may be in the minority. I want to strengthen my son's HS team. I wished my son's HS coach gave direction such as this.

It all comes down to the $$, is it reasonable or not. That is where I get a little nervous. You have a captivated audience, no need to milk them dry.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/18/15 02:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is a rumor abounding at this years tryouts that a Chaminade coach is instructing his 2018 players to avoid playing for certain travel teams...I'm guessing any travel team that isn't Express or poses any kinda talent drain to Express. My kid plays for neither, but parents if this is true, what the &$@!, it's time to stop the nonsense and push back ...who makes these decisions, you or the coach...so many are afraid of blowing there kids chances by pissing off the coach...what have we come to...these guys can suck your wallet dry with their travel team associations AND determine your kids future for you...? where is the loyalty, they get to make you break ties with teams who taught your kid to play the game? this sucks and we give them this power by knuckling under...anybody hear this same rumor. What do you feel about it?


I say good for them. Sorry I may be in the minority. I want to strengthen my son's HS team. I wished my son's HS coach gave direction such as this.

It all comes down to the $$, is it reasonable or not. That is where I get a little nervous. You have a captivated audience, no need to milk them dry.


Feel sorry for the kids who get forced to play for HS coach and get limited playtime for both HS team and travel. How do you handle that??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/18/15 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is a rumor abounding at this years tryouts that a Chaminade coach is instructing his 2018 players to avoid playing for certain travel teams...I'm guessing any travel team that isn't Express or poses any kinda talent drain to Express. My kid plays for neither, but parents if this is true, what the &$@!, it's time to stop the nonsense and push back ...who makes these decisions, you or the coach...so many are afraid of blowing there kids chances by pissing off the coach...what have we come to...these guys can suck your wallet dry with their travel team associations AND determine your kids future for you...? where is the loyalty, they get to make you break ties with teams who taught your kid to play the game? this sucks and we give them this power by knuckling under...anybody hear this same rumor. What do you feel about it?


I say good for them. Sorry I may be in the minority. I want to strengthen my son's HS team. I wished my son's HS coach gave direction such as this.

It all comes down to the $$, is it reasonable or not. That is where I get a little nervous. You have a captivated audience, no need to milk them dry.


I don't see this as a good thing at all. If the coach said we are practicing at the school as a team, okay maybe, but to not play on specific travel teams because the coach supports another or gains profit from one, is not okay. I hope this rumor is false.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/18/15 03:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is a rumor abounding at this years tryouts that a Chaminade coach is instructing his 2018 players to avoid playing for certain travel teams...I'm guessing any travel team that isn't Express or poses any kinda talent drain to Express. My kid plays for neither, but parents if this is true, what the &$@!, it's time to stop the nonsense and push back ...who makes these decisions, you or the coach...so many are afraid of blowing there kids chances by pissing off the coach...what have we come to...these guys can suck your wallet dry with their travel team associations AND determine your kids future for you...? where is the loyalty, they get to make you break ties with teams who taught your kid to play the game? this sucks and we give them this power by knuckling under...anybody hear this same rumor. What do you feel about it?

There's been a rumor floating around that the coach of the Northport girl's lacrosse program directs the girls towards a particular travel program. Are these rumors accurate? Has anyone else heard similar?
Also on the same subject - I've heard buddies of mine down in Maryland say the same thing about the McDonogh girls program and the coach there directing the players towards a particular travel club program. I wonder if all these rumors are true...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/18/15 03:35 PM
hey, I'm all for keeping your school team strong...but nobody plays travel during school, maybe they train with travel before, but that is making them better...this is about coaches telling kids AND which programs that can play for and more specifically which they CAN NOT! this seems to be done in order to cut the competitive legs off those programs as they grow into possible contention with Express, No consideration as to parental choice, logistics of other children participation in the programs and it's location. It's about captive players and collecting another 'Check'. Parents should be contacting the Chaminade and asking the administrative staff how they could turn a blind eye to these strong arm tactics by one of their own...but they don't because they too are afraid to 'mess with success'...it's a shame, thought Chaminade stood for more than that...and I know they are not alone, express has it's greedy little fingers into all the top schools coaches...3
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/18/15 04:18 PM
Why not start by getting the story straight before you come on here bashing the Chaminade coach?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/18/15 04:20 PM
this subject had gotten my Irish up...my son is 2019 entering Chaminade in the fall, he plays for the program that was allegedly singled out...if the coaching staff their thinks they can browbeat parents into accepting these mandates, they are in for a fight...several other fathers that spoke on the subject feel similarly, we will pull our kids in mass. play for our already highly touted HS ( several from same nassau community, you know which one)... I'm told a legally represented letter to CHSAA alerting to this ( they know but want to be on the record) is in the works by one of 2018 dads... another dad is likewise placing calls to a friend at the NYSSWA to get someone do a story (I've heard)...all this needless nonsense that these parents are now going through because a coach sees himself as something more than that...all this before my son even steps foot through the doors,... sad...be careful looking the other way Chaminade, a good few are rethinking the choice of going there. What's more important? Your integrity or your coaches wallet?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/18/15 04:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is a rumor abounding at this years tryouts that a Chaminade coach is instructing his 2018 players to avoid playing for certain travel teams...I'm guessing any travel team that isn't Express or poses any kinda talent drain to Express. My kid plays for neither, but parents if this is true, what the &$@!, it's time to stop the nonsense and push back ...who makes these decisions, you or the coach...so many are afraid of blowing there kids chances by pissing off the coach...what have we come to...these guys can suck your wallet dry with their travel team associations AND determine your kids future for you...? where is the loyalty, they get to make you break ties with teams who taught your kid to play the game? this sucks and we give them this power by knuckling under...anybody hear this same rumor. What do you feel about it?

There's been a rumor floating around that the coach of the Northport girl's lacrosse program directs the girls towards a particular travel program. Are these rumors accurate? Has anyone else heard similar?
Also on the same subject - I've heard buddies of mine down in Maryland say the same thing about the McDonogh girls program and the coach there directing the players towards a particular travel club program. I wonder if all these rumors are true...


Your referencing the two best travel programs in the nation, hands down, and the best school program in the nation, hands down. A bigger problem is when HS coaches are involved with crappy clubs, and players are forced to give up good clubs to go play for some half assed money making scheme the coach puts together.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/18/15 04:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is a rumor abounding at this years tryouts that a Chaminade coach is instructing his 2018 players to avoid playing for certain travel teams...I'm guessing any travel team that isn't Express or poses any kinda talent drain to Express. My kid plays for neither, but parents if this is true, what the &$@!, it's time to stop the nonsense and push back ...who makes these decisions, you or the coach...so many are afraid of blowing there kids chances by pissing off the coach...what have we come to...these guys can suck your wallet dry with their travel team associations AND determine your kids future for you...? where is the loyalty, they get to make you break ties with teams who taught your kid to play the game? this sucks and we give them this power by knuckling under...anybody hear this same rumor. What do you feel about it?

There's been a rumor floating around that the coach of the Northport girl's lacrosse program directs the girls towards a particular travel program. Are these rumors accurate? Has anyone else heard similar?
Also on the same subject - I've heard buddies of mine down in Maryland say the same thing about the McDonogh girls program and the coach there directing the players towards a particular travel club program. I wonder if all these rumors are true...


LOL post of the day
Posted By: America's Game Re: Complaint Department - 08/18/15 04:45 PM
OK people lets remember there are two side to every story here. Regarding the Chaminade situation if you are not 100% privy to the actual details why post here without all the facts. If you are involved and know the details post them

This is what I know and please correct me if I am wrong. There is an underlying issue between the Chaminade coach and a particular travel team and it has nothing to do with guiding players to any particular club team. The Chaminade coach was unhappy the way this travel program treated Chaminade players when they had to miss a summer travel event to play in a school event for Chaminade. Remember this is just a handful of player from each team from 9th-11th grade. The handling of the request by the travel program resulted in players being disciplined. This did not sit well with the Chaminade coach. So if a coach tries to protect his players from unfair treatment is an issue with you than you can complain. These are the facts I was made aware of.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/18/15 04:51 PM
stop whining, do what you want with your kid and make your kid the best player they can be, if they are the best they will play if they are not then they will not - many many players have started for both Chammy and St A's the last few years that did not play express but they were the best so they played, Chaminaide is loaded with 91 players that are and will be starters for the next few years including probably the best mid and D - so just stop it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/18/15 05:31 PM
it's a parents responsibility to protect their kids outside of the game, not the coach's...when a coach says" I better not hear of anybody playing for $&@" he has overstepped his bounds, set himself up to supersede parents wishes... and I know the whole story, so didn't need the recap...All I'm saying is we pay a pretty hefty tuition to these schools, they in turn pay the coach to do just that, coach. Not legislate who the players can play for,regardless of his personal feeling on the subject. We'll protect our kids, Coach's coach the team...it's the outside interests that muddle the picture and make being objective impossible. Parents who didn't agree with the travel teams handling of the situation can take it up with them or switch teams, no need to have that parental control ripped away. And, your delusional if you think best players always end up on top, we need not have that conversation. For the record, I didn't agree with the severity oftravel teams decision, but I respect the people involved. They had EVERY players interests in mind, not just the few.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/18/15 05:45 PM
and as for the whole story...not interested in putting people out there who were deceptive as to where they were going to be, thus missing a team commitment, leaving the team short handed...vague for a reason because these are class people and absolutely great kids...we have all done it...called in sick to go golfing, etc...when busted, disapline warranted, disapline meet...severity was the only question for me...but, I have no problem with the travel teams staff feeling that the teams were let down and the teammates as well... the caliber of the players involved was undeniable and Chaminade is blessed to have them...the coach looks like a Saint for sticking up for his players...never mind it served his interests to deny the other teams...and now he is the hero...stop it...Coaches who stop over this line need to be reigned back in...or is looking the other way when players break commitments as long as they are not yoursthe lessons YOU want taught by your coach...enough said on this subject, raise your kids as you see fit, Good luck to all
Posted By: America's Game Re: Complaint Department - 08/18/15 06:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
it's a parents responsibility to protect their kids outside of the game, not the coach's...when a coach says" I better not hear of anybody playing for $&@" he has overstepped his bounds, set himself up to supersede parents wishes... and I know the whole story, so didn't need the recap...All I'm saying is we pay a pretty hefty tuition to these schools, they in turn pay the coach to do just that, coach. Not legislate who the players can play for,regardless of his personal feeling on the subject. We'll protect our kids, Coach's coach the team...it's the outside interests that muddle the picture and make being objective impossible. Parents who didn't agree with the travel teams handling of the situation can take it up with them or switch teams, no need to have that parental control ripped away. And, your delusional if you think best players always end up on top, we need not have that conversation. For the record, I didn't agree with the severity oftravel teams decision, but I respect the people involved. They had EVERY players interests in mind, not just the few.


Players were disciplined for their HS coaches decision to have them play in a tournament. Overall I believe a players commitment is to their High School. So why discipline the kids? I don't think anyone was deceptive about where they were going to play on that particular weekend. So I think that's a bit misleading. The fact that kids were disciplined because their coach from Chaminade required them to play for him is what twisted the Chaminade Coach.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/18/15 11:26 PM
"Twisted" covers it...Coach is at fault for 'REQUIRING' these young men to break a commitment entered into with travel teammates and coaches...that's why I didn't necessarily agree with disapline, who is going to go against their HS coach in that circumstance, especially with that team...Don't fault the boys or parents for stepping into line even though it was costly both financially to the parents and competitively for the teams...should not of been put in that position...this is where we are at, these coaches control our kids futures and dictate the terms of they're staying in good graces, we gave them that power, we should take it back....had the circumstances been reversed and the players opted to last minute cancel on their HS team leaving them undermanned in a key tournament, I would bet the house the HS coach would have met out some serious type of disapline...yet the travel team is painted as the bad guys for doing the same...just a little hypocritical...Then to ORDER them to cut ties with an organization they have been happily associated with since they learned to play the game because disaplines were handed out, that's where the line is crossed and affiliationsKDk5FP with other organizations are brought into question...what's the true motivation? that question wouldn't be asked if these outside interests didn't exist...nobody says your not entitled to make a buck in the off season, but every bodies integrity is tested when these situation arise...again, sad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/19/15 01:05 AM
if you parents are sending your kids to Chaminade just for lacrosse , that's just sad. Travel lacrosse parents have blinders on and make most decisions including picking a college based on lacrosse offers and playing time. IF your kid quit the game tomorrow, would they be in the right school or college?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/19/15 11:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if you parents are sending your kids to Chaminade just for lacrosse , that's just sad. Travel lacrosse parents have blinders on and make most decisions including picking a college based on lacrosse offers and playing time. IF your kid quit the game tomorrow, would they be in the right school or college?


Athletics and other extra curricular activities are all part of the experience and shouldn't be discounted. You want a well round kid when HS is over. Academics are most important , but can't say disregard everything else when making decisions.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/19/15 01:23 PM

These benches are very deep and at St.Ant's the benches were used poorly.Unfortunately for thos just entering into each school,if you don't like it,they can and will tell you to go back to where you came.
Best of Luck!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/19/15 05:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

These benches are very deep and at St.Ant's the benches were used poorly.Unfortunately for thos just entering into each school,if you don't like it,they can and will tell you to go back to where you came.
Best of Luck!



As I like to think I am not new to this, each year brings its own bit of challenges (not limited or different to any other years challenges).

regarding the catholic schools affiliations and some of the issues. I would like my son to either be a flyer or Friar and in this time of year we are narrowing which club to continue with or consider.

Understanding their benches are deep what gets my son (who works his tail off) on the short side of the bench. What clubs are seen as friendly with them (outside of Express). What club was recently put on their S/list.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/20/15 03:34 AM
I know commited kids from both that are looking to leave the schools and play last few years in public . Not happy with the old school style of coaching and apparently more people echoing the sentiments that they were saying don't worry about my jr high school boy playing express
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/20/15 12:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know commited kids from both that are looking to leave the schools and play last few years in public . Not happy with the old school style of coaching and apparently more people echoing the sentiments that they were saying don't worry about my jr high school boy playing express


Don't let the door hit them on the way out! JM and his "old school" coaching has worked out pretty well over 30+ years at Chaminade. Oh, but you're right Mommy and Daddy probably have more credibility and wisdom to bestow when it comes to coaching HS lacrosse. Goodbye and good luck to any kid who doesn't think he is getting top quality coaching and, more importantly, a top quality education at Chaminade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/20/15 03:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know commited kids from both that are looking to leave the schools and play last few years in public . Not happy with the old school style of coaching and apparently more people echoing the sentiments that they were saying don't worry about my jr high school boy playing express


Don't let the door hit them on the way out! JM and his "old school" coaching has worked out pretty well over 30+ years at Chaminade. Oh, but you're right Mommy and Daddy probably have more credibility and wisdom to bestow when it comes to coaching HS lacrosse. Goodbye and good luck to any kid who doesn't think he is getting top quality coaching and, more importantly, a top quality education at Chaminade.


It's about the education not lacrosse. Everyone living through their kids needs a reality check. Lacrosse means nothing now and even less in a few years. Enjoy your kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/20/15 03:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know commited kids from both that are looking to leave the schools and play last few years in public . Not happy with the old school style of coaching and apparently more people echoing the sentiments that they were saying don't worry about my jr high school boy playing express


Don't let the door hit them on the way out! JM and his "old school" coaching has worked out pretty well over 30+ years at Chaminade. Oh, but you're right Mommy and Daddy probably have more credibility and wisdom to bestow when it comes to coaching HS lacrosse. Goodbye and good luck to any kid who doesn't think he is getting top quality coaching and, more importantly, a top quality education at Chaminade.


That's all very true. Hall of Fame coach!! Probably not a more decorated coach, school or lacrosse program!

The part you left out with all of the HS coaches being involved with clubs is the conflict of interest, money making and politics that did not exist 30 years ago!! It's all unfortunate but true. There were no clubs 30 years ago. Was much better for kids and coaches were focused on teaching and coaching, not making money!!
Posted By: America's Game Re: Complaint Department - 08/20/15 04:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know commited kids from both that are looking to leave the schools and play last few years in public . Not happy with the old school style of coaching and apparently more people echoing the sentiments that they were saying don't worry about my jr high school boy playing express

I think your saying that some couldn't hack it academically others couldn't handle the structure, and others who just couldn't hack it on the lacrosse field, its that plain and simple. If your going to a school for just lacrosse which is scary especially at this age and you are not getting playing time you leave. The teams are that good and yes you will see a committed kid leave because he isn't getting playing time. Happens all the time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/20/15 04:49 PM
This is crazy. I was a Head coach (not express) and had 7 Chaminade players on my team. I knew before the season started about this tourney they were asked "ASKED" not required to play in so I did not schedule anything that weekend. Sure the kids felt obligated because they wanted to play for their HS coach what kid wouldn't want to. It was open to all 9-11 graders. Plenty to choose from to field a team.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/20/15 05:59 PM
Is Top Lacrosse Tournaments a Legacy vehicle as part of their plan to take over the lax world? Similar Web Site, Same Venue in East Islip.....Will this be just another version of the "other guys"?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/20/15 06:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is Top Lacrosse Tournaments a Legacy vehicle as part of their plan to take over the lax world? Similar Web Site, Same Venue in East Islip.....Will this be just another version of the "other guys"?


Of course it it. They are following the identical business model: heavy marketing, swallow smaller competitive teams, run your own tourneys and charge your players a double dip. They're just about 3-4 years behind the other.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/20/15 07:31 PM
Most likely looking for an alternative for other organizations that have been screwed over by My Lacrosse scheduling or no refund cancellations .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/20/15 08:55 PM
If parents and players knew about this HS tourney BEFORE travel season began then no one would have obligated to play with their travel team. My understanding is it was not known about till commitments were already entered into and set. That's what lead to this mess...fact is, recognizing that it was more last minute than not, each had to make a choice...again, can't blame the travel team for disaplining those who opted out last minute, just cooler heads should have prevailed across the board. Hopefully there will be a meeting of the minds and sort it out more amiably... The nonsense needs to end, travel teams serve a vital role in developement and recruitment, probably have surpassed the HS team for shear exposure. ( not that team, but in general )HS coaches trying recapture that importance before they become irrelevant in the process... Most blue chip players are commited before they hit varsity, so varsity coaches ARE becoming a little irrelevant to the particular endevour...parents need to be the custodians of that process, not the coach regardless of 30 years in the game. They may know more about it but doesn't make them infalable or uncorruptable. Arrogant to think you know what's better for my kid than I do, even if true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/20/15 09:49 PM
A friend told me about this site and it really is like driving by a car wreck. You just canít help but keep looking. And here I am now writing something just so I feel heard. There are people here (and they all sound like parents) bitching and sniping about youth lacrosse. Really kind of pathetic that people feel the need to complain about how unfair the system is for a 2024 team. Thatís 4th grade right? Man, thatís rough when you are convinced that your 4th graderís future is determined by what summer team he plays on and even sadder if, as a parent, you believe they have failed if they donít make the AA team in a particular program.

Here's a fact. Lacrosse has changed dramatically and so much of the fun has been sucked out of it. Your kids donít just go out and play anymore for the sake of playing. They go out and pound the wall at your behest to get better for the next tryout so they can make the next team because you, the parents, have convinced yourselves that lacrosse equals success. That is success not only for your child but in some warped way you view it as success for yourself, that it somehow elevates your status in the community and reflects your achievements. Guess what? It doesnít. If you went to a crap college or no college and feel like you didnít reach your full potential the fact that your son is the leading goal scorer for the 2022 Black team isnít going to change that one bit. And if you were a HS All-American that played at Virginia, got a great wall street job and make lots of money? Good for you, congrats. The fact that your son is on the 2018 B team and doesnít have shot at playing in college doesnít make him a failure because he didnít walk in your shoes. It just makes you a [lacrosse] for holding him to that standard.

Hereís what is true:

1. There is no pot of scholarship gold at the end of the rainbow. Weíve all heard it but no one wants to believe it. Everyone hangs on to the belief that it may be different for their kid. If you were too busy spending money on summer teams and clinics hoping to develop that next superstar and didnít save a dime for college that just makes you stupid. Welcome to Nassau CC.

2. Unless your kid is a really really good student in addition to being a stud athlete, they are not getting into Princeton. Could your star athlete really not get into Mount St. Maryís without lacrosse? Thatís really not a very high bar to get over. Hereís a novel idea, spend just half as much time riding them to do well in school as you do working on their weak hand and you may be surprised about the opportunities that open up without a lacrosse stick.

3. Playing lacrosse in college is cool but be careful what you ask for. Iíve lost count of the college players that graduate and are completely incapable of surviving in the real world as their peers go out and get real jobs. All those hours of hard work playing on a team sounds like a great platform for future success, right? Wrong. You missed out on all of the other activities that help you form and develop life skills. A ridiculous number of players are years out of college scraping by coaching clinics, camps and, no surprise, summer teams.

4. These summer teams are businesses. And just like your workplace politics are involved. It may be true that Johnny didnít make the team because a weaker playerís cousin plays for Duke and the coaches want that kid just to say ďhis older cousin plays for DukeĒ and for some bizarre reason hope that the kid gets better because itís in his genes. Welcome to real life. Itís not going to define your son whether heís 9 or 18.

5. If you are that good of a player. You will be found.

Iím sure Iím opening myself up to comments like, ďhis kid must suckĒ and things of that nature so I will tell you that my kid is slightly above average, plays on an average team and loves to play despite the pressures of the current environment. But he does recognize the pressure and despite his mental toughness sometimes resents the atmosphere for what is only a game. Early signs of burn out. Heís only 12.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/20/15 09:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most likely looking for an alternative for other organizations that have been screwed over by My Lacrosse scheduling or no refund cancellations .


Or they weren't happy with their cut from when MLT ran things for them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 01:06 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A friend told me about this site and it really is like driving by a car wreck. You just canít help but keep looking. And here I am now writing something just so I feel heard. There are people here (and they all sound like parents) bitching and sniping about youth lacrosse. Really kind of pathetic that people feel the need to complain about how unfair the system is for a 2024 team. Thatís 4th grade right? Man, thatís rough when you are convinced that your 4th graderís future is determined by what summer team he plays on and even sadder if, as a parent, you believe they have failed if they donít make the AA team in a particular program.

Here's a fact. Lacrosse has changed dramatically and so much of the fun has been sucked out of it. Your kids donít just go out and play anymore for the sake of playing. They go out and pound the wall at your behest to get better for the next tryout so they can make the next team because you, the parents, have convinced yourselves that lacrosse equals success. That is success not only for your child but in some warped way you view it as success for yourself, that it somehow elevates your status in the community and reflects your achievements. Guess what? It doesnít. If you went to a crap college or no college and feel like you didnít reach your full potential the fact that your son is the leading goal scorer for the 2022 Black team isnít going to change that one bit. And if you were a HS All-American that played at Virginia, got a great wall street job and make lots of money? Good for you, congrats. The fact that your son is on the 2018 B team and doesnít have shot at playing in college doesnít make him a failure because he didnít walk in your shoes. It just makes you a [lacrosse] for holding him to that standard.

Hereís what is true:

1. There is no pot of scholarship gold at the end of the rainbow. Weíve all heard it but no one wants to believe it. Everyone hangs on to the belief that it may be different for their kid. If you were too busy spending money on summer teams and clinics hoping to develop that next superstar and didnít save a dime for college that just makes you stupid. Welcome to Nassau CC.

2. Unless your kid is a really really good student in addition to being a stud athlete, they are not getting into Princeton. Could your star athlete really not get into Mount St. Maryís without lacrosse? Thatís really not a very high bar to get over. Hereís a novel idea, spend just half as much time riding them to do well in school as you do working on their weak hand and you may be surprised about the opportunities that open up without a lacrosse stick.

3. Playing lacrosse in college is cool but be careful what you ask for. Iíve lost count of the college players that graduate and are completely incapable of surviving in the real world as their peers go out and get real jobs. All those hours of hard work playing on a team sounds like a great platform for future success, right? Wrong. You missed out on all of the other activities that help you form and develop life skills. A ridiculous number of players are years out of college scraping by coaching clinics, camps and, no surprise, summer teams.

4. These summer teams are businesses. And just like your workplace politics are involved. It may be true that Johnny didnít make the team because a weaker playerís cousin plays for Duke and the coaches want that kid just to say ďhis older cousin plays for DukeĒ and for some bizarre reason hope that the kid gets better because itís in his genes. Welcome to real life. Itís not going to define your son whether heís 9 or 18.

5. If you are that good of a player. You will be found.

Iím sure Iím opening myself up to comments like, ďhis kid must suckĒ and things of that nature so I will tell you that my kid is slightly above average, plays on an average team and loves to play despite the pressures of the current environment. But he does recognize the pressure and despite his mental toughness sometimes resents the atmosphere for what is only a game. Early signs of burn out. Heís only 12.

Thank you for a well written truthful post. Unfortunately most of those that need to hear it will read it and not see themselves anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 01:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A friend told me about this site and it really is like driving by a car wreck. You just canít help but keep looking. And here I am now writing something just so I feel heard. There are people here (and they all sound like parents) bitching and sniping about youth lacrosse. Really kind of pathetic that people feel the need to complain about how unfair the system is for a 2024 team. Thatís 4th grade right? Man, thatís rough when you are convinced that your 4th graderís future is determined by what summer team he plays on and even sadder if, as a parent, you believe they have failed if they donít make the AA team in a particular program.

Here's a fact. Lacrosse has changed dramatically and so much of the fun has been sucked out of it. Your kids donít just go out and play anymore for the sake of playing. They go out and pound the wall at your behest to get better for the next tryout so they can make the next team because you, the parents, have convinced yourselves that lacrosse equals success. That is success not only for your child but in some warped way you view it as success for yourself, that it somehow elevates your status in the community and reflects your achievements. Guess what? It doesnít. If you went to a crap college or no college and feel like you didnít reach your full potential the fact that your son is the leading goal scorer for the 2022 Black team isnít going to change that one bit. And if you were a HS All-American that played at Virginia, got a great wall street job and make lots of money? Good for you, congrats. The fact that your son is on the 2018 B team and doesnít have shot at playing in college doesnít make him a failure because he didnít walk in your shoes. It just makes you a [lacrosse] for holding him to that standard.

Hereís what is true:

1. There is no pot of scholarship gold at the end of the rainbow. Weíve all heard it but no one wants to believe it. Everyone hangs on to the belief that it may be different for their kid. If you were too busy spending money on summer teams and clinics hoping to develop that next superstar and didnít save a dime for college that just makes you stupid. Welcome to Nassau CC.

2. Unless your kid is a really really good student in addition to being a stud athlete, they are not getting into Princeton. Could your star athlete really not get into Mount St. Maryís without lacrosse? Thatís really not a very high bar to get over. Hereís a novel idea, spend just half as much time riding them to do well in school as you do working on their weak hand and you may be surprised about the opportunities that open up without a lacrosse stick.

3. Playing lacrosse in college is cool but be careful what you ask for. Iíve lost count of the college players that graduate and are completely incapable of surviving in the real world as their peers go out and get real jobs. All those hours of hard work playing on a team sounds like a great platform for future success, right? Wrong. You missed out on all of the other activities that help you form and develop life skills. A ridiculous number of players are years out of college scraping by coaching clinics, camps and, no surprise, summer teams.

4. These summer teams are businesses. And just like your workplace politics are involved. It may be true that Johnny didnít make the team because a weaker playerís cousin plays for Duke and the coaches want that kid just to say ďhis older cousin plays for DukeĒ and for some bizarre reason hope that the kid gets better because itís in his genes. Welcome to real life. Itís not going to define your son whether heís 9 or 18.

5. If you are that good of a player. You will be found.

Iím sure Iím opening myself up to comments like, ďhis kid must suckĒ and things of that nature so I will tell you that my kid is slightly above average, plays on an average team and loves to play despite the pressures of the current environment. But he does recognize the pressure and despite his mental toughness sometimes resents the atmosphere for what is only a game. Early signs of burn out. Heís only 12.

Thank you for a well written truthful post. Unfortunately most of those that need to hear it will read it and not see themselves anyway.


I would agree with some of what you said but for my son, he got into a much better school than he could have without lax. Got substantial scholarship money. It elevated the respect our family got in the community. This all happened because of extreme sacrifice by all parties involved. My son always striving to be better. This meant jumping from team to team like a ladder. Us as parents putting Lacrosse first so many times we were not able to do things other "normal " families do, because of the cost of the travel, and putting up with the training which at times put great stress on the whole family. Was it all worth it? Yes!! The lessons learned through this journey will enable my son to succeed in whatever he chooses to do. It has already opened so many doors for him, and he is taking advantage of the connections made. He has inspired his younger siblings to have a strong work ethic, so they can hope to follow in his footsteps. We were never a "political" family. Just a family that worked together so our son could succeed. Through the good, bad and ugly of youth sports!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 01:54 AM
Wow two excellent perspectives. I feel like I am right in the middle and its tough to figure out. I will definitely have both sides in m thoughts when I make a decision about my son
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 02:19 AM
His kid must suck!


Just kidding.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 03:15 AM
If that's true you are quite lucky and should be proud but if your perceive that your status is somehow elevated by your son's success, that's a bit disturbing to me. His status is not yours. Either way you took a big gamble and won. Most will not and you can't get that time back. They are only children for a short while.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 12:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If that's true you are quite lucky and should be proud but if your perceive that your status is somehow elevated by your son's success, that's a bit disturbing to me. His status is not yours. Either way you took a big gamble and won. Most will not and you can't get that time back. They are only children for a short while.


What you maybe don't realize is that getting a kid to that level is a joint effort. The parents are a major part of a kids success no matter how great kid is, they need support and advice throughout the journey. When ever I am out in my community, people come up and congratulate me on my son an our whole families commitment to our kids. That what I mean about status. And it feels good! We never saw this as a gamble. Just working together, sacrifice, for a goal. I believe you need these qualities to be successful at anything. Good life lessons if nothing else.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 12:56 PM
I also have a committed son, and our process was no where near as intensive for him or the family as it has apparently been for others. Did we sit in traffic on the way down to MD for a tourny? Yes, but there was more fun and family time on those car rides and in those cramped hotel rooms than we would have ever had at home. I would again pay--probably double--to have those days again.

Laughing , joking, singing (and yes, cursing the traffic and the merge at 8A) all the way up and down the NJ turnpike. We are a closer family as a result.

For those of us parents that work full time--how often do you really have a family dinner at home at 6pm like most of us did when we were growing up? Hardly ever in my house, but on those trips, we were together, 24/7, breakfast , lunch and dinner and then when they were younger, sitting by the hotel pool...

Now, if you spend that time telling your kid what he did wrong and how much harder he needs to work to play at the next level, you missed an opportunity to bond with your kid...but you also probably would have done the same thing at home.

Sometimes, people need to see the forest through the trees and recognize that whether it is lax in MD or soccer in philly, it is an opportunity to know and bond with the people that should matter most in your life. Stop looking ahead to what may or may not happen in the future and enjoy the time...

As far as the recruitment process, I posted on the 2018 site a few days back with some of the things that worked for us. Mine did get athletic dollars, but 25%, while great, at a great school, which I will not name, is not going to change my life or his...

Keep it fun and use your time wisely, it is coming to an end quickly. Soon, they will be at college, whether they play lax or not, that drive home after you drop them off at the dorms, is never laughing and singing, mostly you and the others in your car crying!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is Top Lacrosse Tournaments a Legacy vehicle as part of their plan to take over the lax world? Similar Web Site, Same Venue in East Islip.....Will this be just another version of the "other guys"?


Of course it it. They are following the identical business model: heavy marketing, swallow smaller competitive teams, run your own tourneys and charge your players a double dip. They're just about 3-4 years behind the other.


One club starts teams in Maryland. Legacy teams up with Laxachusetts and starts Legacy Boston. Exact same model.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 01:43 PM
Here is a fact, there are many,travel parents that will send their kid to any college that offers them a spot and a few bucks so they can continue the water cooler talk of my kid is on the Black team and now my kid has been recruited and got a scholarship to play at school XYZ

The kids going to Princeton are few are far between but those kids should be applauded for bundling athletics and academics to get a great education.

The other parents needs to ask themselves that if their kid wasn't playing lacrosse, is there any chance their kid would have ever picked that school for academics, location and fit?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 02:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A friend told me about this site and it really is like driving by a car wreck. You just canít help but keep looking. And here I am now writing something just so I feel heard. There are people here (and they all sound like parents) bitching and sniping about youth lacrosse. Really kind of pathetic that people feel the need to complain about how unfair the system is for a 2024 team. Thatís 4th grade right? Man, thatís rough when you are convinced that your 4th graderís future is determined by what summer team he plays on and even sadder if, as a parent, you believe they have failed if they donít make the AA team in a particular program.

Here's a fact. Lacrosse has changed dramatically and so much of the fun has been sucked out of it. Your kids donít just go out and play anymore for the sake of playing. They go out and pound the wall at your behest to get better for the next tryout so they can make the next team because you, the parents, have convinced yourselves that lacrosse equals success. That is success not only for your child but in some warped way you view it as success for yourself, that it somehow elevates your status in the community and reflects your achievements. Guess what? It doesnít. If you went to a crap college or no college and feel like you didnít reach your full potential the fact that your son is the leading goal scorer for the 2022 Black team isnít going to change that one bit. And if you were a HS All-American that played at Virginia, got a great wall street job and make lots of money? Good for you, congrats. The fact that your son is on the 2018 B team and doesnít have shot at playing in college doesnít make him a failure because he didnít walk in your shoes. It just makes you a [lacrosse] for holding him to that standard.

Hereís what is true:

1. There is no pot of scholarship gold at the end of the rainbow. Weíve all heard it but no one wants to believe it. Everyone hangs on to the belief that it may be different for their kid. If you were too busy spending money on summer teams and clinics hoping to develop that next superstar and didnít save a dime for college that just makes you stupid. Welcome to Nassau CC.

2. Unless your kid is a really really good student in addition to being a stud athlete, they are not getting into Princeton. Could your star athlete really not get into Mount St. Maryís without lacrosse? Thatís really not a very high bar to get over. Hereís a novel idea, spend just half as much time riding them to do well in school as you do working on their weak hand and you may be surprised about the opportunities that open up without a lacrosse stick.

3. Playing lacrosse in college is cool but be careful what you ask for. Iíve lost count of the college players that graduate and are completely incapable of surviving in the real world as their peers go out and get real jobs. All those hours of hard work playing on a team sounds like a great platform for future success, right? Wrong. You missed out on all of the other activities that help you form and develop life skills. A ridiculous number of players are years out of college scraping by coaching clinics, camps and, no surprise, summer teams.

4. These summer teams are businesses. And just like your workplace politics are involved. It may be true that Johnny didnít make the team because a weaker playerís cousin plays for Duke and the coaches want that kid just to say ďhis older cousin plays for DukeĒ and for some bizarre reason hope that the kid gets better because itís in his genes. Welcome to real life. Itís not going to define your son whether heís 9 or 18.

5. If you are that good of a player. You will be found.

Iím sure Iím opening myself up to comments like, ďhis kid must suckĒ and things of that nature so I will tell you that my kid is slightly above average, plays on an average team and loves to play despite the pressures of the current environment. But he does recognize the pressure and despite his mental toughness sometimes resents the atmosphere for what is only a game. Early signs of burn out. Heís only 12.


Bravo. Sometimes I wish I didn't find this site. And as someone else mentioned, the people who this does apply to, won't realize it. "he must be talking about someone else"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 02:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Iím sure Iím opening myself up to comments like, ďhis kid must suckĒ and things of that nature so I will tell you that my kid is slightly above average, plays on an average team and loves to play despite the pressures of the current environment. But he does recognize the pressure and despite his mental toughness sometimes resents the atmosphere for what is only a game. Early signs of burn out. Heís only 12.


Nice post. I coach 12 year olds and try very hard to keep things fun, although we have pretty intense practices (that doesn't mean red-faced screaming, just little downtime and try to minimize goofing around). It's a lot of pressure on the bottom of the roster who are improving, whether it's little things like suprise popcicles or ending practice with a fun contest, it seems to work. For the first time, we had a our last tournament in July and all the kids just wanted to know when practice started back up again. My point is that you can't forget what a wonderful age that is because they can accomplish more as athletes but are still KIDS. Heck, watch the Duke coaching clinics and listen to how hard Danowski tries to end his practices on a fun note. Not sure we as parents and coaches should ever stop making sure the experience is fun.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 02:31 PM
I've found many director at different clubs are part of 2 organizations. Is this a conflict of interest or are clubs really part of other clubs?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 03:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I've found many director at different clubs are part of 2 organizations. Is this a conflict of interest or are clubs really part of other clubs?
How about Directors that run multiple tournaments? That smells the worst
Posted By: anonomous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 03:13 PM
Amen...this s/b required reading by ALL folks on not only this site, but to anyone ever thinking about having their child play travel lacrosse.
What never seems to get out to folks is the fact that even at a "big time', D1 program, the money that gets doled out to a lacrosse proghram is not that much. Not to mention there are 30+ kids to split whatever dollar amount that program gets. So...if you saved the 2k+ every year for the next 5/6 years, it would prob be more than whatever your child would get in college...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 04:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I've found many director at different clubs are part of 2 organizations. Is this a conflict of interest or are clubs really part of other clubs?
How about Directors that run multiple tournaments? That smells the worst


Why , if its a quality tournament that gets the directors teams to play against quality competition , who cares.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 07:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I've found many director at different clubs are part of 2 organizations. Is this a conflict of interest or are clubs really part of other clubs?
How about Directors that run multiple tournaments? That smells the worst


Why , if its a quality tournament that gets the directors teams to play against quality competition , who cares.


Seriously? You usually play other teams in your own club and you pay full retail for the director to double dip. Sounds like the Mob.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 08:50 PM
Originally Posted by anonomous
Amen...this s/b required reading by ALL folks on not only this site, but to anyone ever thinking about having their child play travel lacrosse.
What never seems to get out to folks is the fact that even at a "big time', D1 program, the money that gets doled out to a lacrosse proghram is not that much. Not to mention there are 30+ kids to split whatever dollar amount that program gets. So...if you saved the 2k+ every year for the next 5/6 years, it would prob be more than whatever your child would get in college...


not true - my son has played travel lacrosse since second grade and is now in college - he played on well coached travel teams and we never paid more then $1,000 a year tuition - he is getting more athletic money per year then we paid for all the travel tuition combined.... we did not do it for that reason or chase the scholarship dream but it didn't suck when it found him
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 08:59 PM
Originally Posted by anonomous
Amen...this s/b required reading by ALL folks on not only this site, but to anyone ever thinking about having their child play travel lacrosse.
What never seems to get out to folks is the fact that even at a "big time', D1 program, the money that gets doled out to a lacrosse proghram is not that much. Not to mention there are 30+ kids to split whatever dollar amount that program gets. So...if you saved the 2k+ every year for the next 5/6 years, it would prob be more than whatever your child would get in college...


I have posted on other boards similar messages to what I am going to reply to you. Many many kids go to sleep away camp every summer at cost many times what travel lacrosse costs us, a one week family vacation or cruise would cost more then a whole summer of lacrosse, - we choose to spend our money and vacation time with our kids and have a great time doing it, my dad would have loved to spend every second of his weekends with me and my brothers on long road trips to exotic places and get to watch us play lacrosse, My wife and I are loving the experience and treasuring the time we get to spend with your kids "on the road" and would not trade it for a trip to Hawaii every year......it is not about ROI it is about investing your time and money into your children
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 10:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonomous
Amen...this s/b required reading by ALL folks on not only this site, but to anyone ever thinking about having their child play travel lacrosse.
What never seems to get out to folks is the fact that even at a "big time', D1 program, the money that gets doled out to a lacrosse proghram is not that much. Not to mention there are 30+ kids to split whatever dollar amount that program gets. So...if you saved the 2k+ every year for the next 5/6 years, it would prob be more than whatever your child would get in college...


I have posted on other boards similar messages to what I am going to reply to you. Many many kids go to sleep away camp every summer at cost many times what travel lacrosse costs us, a one week family vacation or cruise would cost more then a whole summer of lacrosse, - we choose to spend our money and vacation time with our kids and have a great time doing it, my dad would have loved to spend every second of his weekends with me and my brothers on long road trips to exotic places and get to watch us play lacrosse, My wife and I are loving the experience and treasuring the time we get to spend with your kids "on the road" and would not trade it for a trip to Hawaii every year......it is not about ROI it is about investing your time and money into your children


I would love to know what program because I agree that time with the kids is great but sharing a sideline and hotel with most travel parents makes your skin crawl. If you come out of it with 1 or 2 other families on a team of 25 that you like, trust, respect and would like to associate with after lacrosse you did great. Most are there just for their kids - team and teammates be damned!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/21/15 11:02 PM
Agreed. It is a construct that only exists because of the business model. And the business model doesn't really care about your kids, it cares only about making money. And that's OK but you have to appreciate it for what it is. Ultimately it's an absurd way for people to be spending so much of their time because they feel that they have to in order to keep progressing and to avoid missing out on anything. Playing lacrosse is great, getting better is great, getting recruited to colleges great. But the current environment totally sucks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/22/15 01:07 AM
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/22/15 10:54 AM
I applaude the candor, wisdom and perspective of the last few posters. doesn't seem like the complaint dept. More like the sage advice dept. My son just got dropped by his 2019 A team...he is broken hearted, needed to cheer him up and reminded him that this is a journey, all sports are a journey, you take it together. I reminded him of how much he has improved through the last few years with that club, the friendships he has made, the memories...not wasted time, good times, yes, as you said, even in traffic on the jersey turnpike and cheap motels in Maryland, we did it together and are closer for it, hope he does the same for his kid...he'll pick himself up today and head out another teams tryout and we will start the process again with new kids, families and coaches...wouldn't want it any other way...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/22/15 11:06 AM
Wishing your son all the best and may he shine at his next tryout.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/22/15 11:23 AM
fl$ 's feud with Chaminade has officially reached a new low....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/22/15 11:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
fl$ 's feud with Chaminade has officially reached a new low....


Just throwing that out there or you actually have some information to post ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/22/15 12:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I applaude the candor, wisdom and perspective of the last few posters. doesn't seem like the complaint dept. More like the sage advice dept. My son just got dropped by his 2019 A team...he is broken hearted, needed to cheer him up and reminded him that this is a journey, all sports are a journey, you take it together. I reminded him of how much he has improved through the last few years with that club, the friendships he has made, the memories...not wasted time, good times, yes, as you said, even in traffic on the jersey turnpike and cheap motels in Maryland, we did it together and are closer for it, hope he does the same for his kid...he'll pick himself up today and head out another teams tryout and we will start the process again with new kids, families and coaches...wouldn't want it any other way...


Good luck, things happen for a reason and you and your son will be just fine because you have the right attitude. Prove people wrong!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/22/15 12:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I applaude the candor, wisdom and perspective of the last few posters. doesn't seem like the complaint dept. More like the sage advice dept. My son just got dropped by his 2019 A team...he is broken hearted, needed to cheer him up and reminded him that this is a journey, all sports are a journey, you take it together. I reminded him of how much he has improved through the last few years with that club, the friendships he has made, the memories...not wasted time, good times, yes, as you said, even in traffic on the jersey turnpike and cheap motels in Maryland, we did it together and are closer for it, hope he does the same for his kid...he'll pick himself up today and head out another teams tryout and we will start the process again with new kids, families and coaches...wouldn't want it any other way...


I have been there with one of my sons and it is heart breaking but he came out a better person for all he got out of it and persevering and finding a new "home" team. He's in the recruiting process now and had learned so much from all the coaches over the years and doubled his friendships between the two teams.

It wasn't easy at first but it was good in the end. I hope your son feels better soon and I wish him luck. Parenting is not always easy and our hearts often feel their pain more deeply than they even do.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/22/15 12:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I applaude the candor, wisdom and perspective of the last few posters. doesn't seem like the complaint dept. More like the sage advice dept. My son just got dropped by his 2019 A team...he is broken hearted, needed to cheer him up and reminded him that this is a journey, all sports are a journey, you take it together. I reminded him of how much he has improved through the last few years with that club, the friendships he has made, the memories...not wasted time, good times, yes, as you said, even in traffic on the jersey turnpike and cheap motels in Maryland, we did it together and are closer for it, hope he does the same for his kid...he'll pick himself up today and head out another teams tryout and we will start the process again with new kids, families and coaches...wouldn't want it any other way...


Happened to my son two years ago when he was going into 7th grade. Kid was one of the leading scorers on the team. He couldn't understand it, was devastated. I told him, literally F$3@ them, now they can't have you on their team. We'll find a new team. It wasn't easy, it was towards the end of tryout season. He was accepted to a couple of B teams at the last minute. He tried a few practices and he felt the kids weren't on his level. We reached out to another club in early December. All the while continuing to train. He went to an indoor practice with this team. He had what he thought was an OK practice. Turns out the coaches loved him. He became one of the center pieces of the new teams offense. Fast forward to the spring. He gets an opportunity to play his old team. He blows their doors off with 3 goals and 2 assts in the first half. To the point where they're face guarding him in a ole OBLL game at field of dreams.
Fast forward to the summer, they meet again. They face guard and double him all game. He still manages to get the ball with 20 seconds left. Finds his teammate on the doorstep and they win again.
The season is now over, we're on Vacation. The Director of the old team is calling me begging to have him back, we made a mistake, on and on. So I string him along, I even pay for the tryout. Guy is calling day before, can't wait to have him back, blah, blah, blah. I say we'll see you tomorrow.
Let's just say, I hope they're still not waiting for him to show at the tryout.... Can't tell you how good that made me and my son feel. We laughed ourselves silly over it.
Today he's still doing great. He has a number of D1 schools very interested.
Point of this whole story: Just keep playing and don't let some dopey club tell you whether or not your son is good enough to play at a top level. Listen to yourself and your son! Things can and will workout for the best.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/22/15 12:52 PM
It's not fl$ , Its FOR THE LOVE OF MONEY
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/23/15 01:41 AM
would love to hear more on that subject, not because I'm into this gossip crap, but if a team is seriously on the outs with a targeted highschool for my son, I would like to know...save myself the time, money and trouble...come on, let's hear the latest
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/23/15 02:36 AM
thanks for your support and kind words, trying to keep perspective...he feels better because several kids from the team that dropped him have reached out through their multitude of social networks and said the team screwed up, that the kids they dropped him for although ok, are not as good as my son because they know them, same school..his ****Deleted****told him he should of made it...seems like they added a bunch of one certain HS's players, so the drop may have had a political component...makes him feel better but betrayed, he trusted them to make selections on merit alone, turns out certain kids who made the team never even made the second night of tryouts...makes me shake my head...such nonsense...I too trusted this team was different...he may not of made it on merit in the coaches eyes, but this info doesn't allow for a clean break on the subject...anyway, thanks again...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/23/15 02:42 AM
come on, you gotta expand on that statement, was targeting that team this year, but the feud thing made me think twice...something new you heard about fl$/Chaminade face off?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/23/15 03:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
come on, you gotta expand on that statement, was targeting that team this year, but the feud thing made me think twice...something new you heard about fl$/Chaminade face off?


They cut the kids involved in the summer tournemant dispute when it happened. Now they have gotten real nasty and cut their siblings, cousins and other returning players identified as "Chaminade kids." Current and prosepctive Flyers beware!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/23/15 05:08 PM
At the 2019 age group?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/24/15 01:26 AM
so what teams are friendly with Chaminade and St Anthony's. If you cant say maybe then all of the teams are and where you play is a crock of @#$!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/24/15 01:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
thanks for your support and kind words, trying to keep perspective...he feels better because several kids from the team that dropped him have reached out through their multitude of social networks and said the team screwed up, that the kids they dropped him for although ok, are not as good as my son because they know them, same school..his ****Deleted****told him he should of made it...seems like they added a bunch of one certain HS's players, so the drop may have had a political component...makes him feel better but betrayed, he trusted them to make selections on merit alone, turns out certain kids who made the team never even made the second night of tryouts...makes me shake my head...such nonsense...I too trusted this team was different...he may not of made it on merit in the coaches eyes, but this info doesn't allow for a clean break on the subject...anyway, thanks again...


Which team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/24/15 04:23 PM
Heard it was taking Manhassat kids over GC kids on 2020 hadn't heard the Chaminade angle
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
come on, you gotta expand on that statement, was targeting that team this year, but the feud thing made me think twice...something new you heard about fl$/Chaminade face off?


They cut the kids involved in the summer tournemant dispute when it happened. Now they have gotten real nasty and cut their siblings, cousins and other returning players identified as "Chaminade kids." Current and prosepctive Flyers beware!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/24/15 07:43 PM
In '20 there are still GC kids on the team. 3 did not make the team and it had nothing to do with the said Catholic school dispute. in '20 is was based on the talent of who showed up at the tryout. I am a parent NOT from Gc or 'Set.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/24/15 08:45 PM
CHAMINIDE WILL RULE WITH OR WITHOUT THE STUPID CLUB POLITICS. THE TOP OF THE LINE , CREAM OF THE CROP, SUPERIOR BREEDING ALWAYS COMES THRU.
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Complaint Department - 08/24/15 08:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CHAMINIDE WILL RULE WITH OR WITHOUT THE STUPID CLUB POLITICS. THE TOP OF THE LINE , CREAM OF THE CROP, SUPERIOR BREEDING ALWAYS COMES THRU.


You are a [lacrosse]!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/24/15 09:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CHAMINIDE WILL RULE WITH OR WITHOUT THE STUPID CLUB POLITICS. THE TOP OF THE LINE , CREAM OF THE CROP, SUPERIOR BREEDING ALWAYS COMES THRU.


That worked real well for the Germans, did it...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/24/15 09:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CHAMINIDE WILL RULE WITH OR WITHOUT THE STUPID CLUB POLITICS. THE TOP OF THE LINE , CREAM OF THE CROP, SUPERIOR BREEDING ALWAYS COMES THRU.


That worked real well for the Germans, did it...


You just dropped the mic on that dude!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/24/15 09:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CHAMINIDE WILL RULE WITH OR WITHOUT THE STUPID CLUB POLITICS. THE TOP OF THE LINE , CREAM OF THE CROP, SUPERIOR BREEDING ALWAYS COMES THRU.


That worked real well for the Germans, did it...


Not what happened last year when they versed the LI publics. LOL!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/24/15 10:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CHAMINIDE WILL RULE WITH OR WITHOUT THE STUPID CLUB POLITICS. THE TOP OF THE LINE , CREAM OF THE CROP, SUPERIOR BREEDING ALWAYS COMES THRU.


do you breed extra "I"'s at ChaminAde
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/24/15 10:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CHAMINIDE WILL RULE WITH OR WITHOUT THE STUPID CLUB POLITICS. THE TOP OF THE LINE , CREAM OF THE CROP, SUPERIOR BREEDING ALWAYS COMES THRU.


I think the OLM broodmare that dropped you on your head and the Chaminade Stud that conceived you must be so proud of the gelding they have in you
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/24/15 11:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CHAMINIDE WILL RULE WITH OR WITHOUT THE STUPID CLUB POLITICS. THE TOP OF THE LINE , CREAM OF THE CROP, SUPERIOR BREEDING ALWAYS COMES THRU.


I think the OLM broodmare that dropped you on your head and the Chaminade Stud that conceived you must be so proud of the gelding they have in you


Gelding...... That is funny:)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 12:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CHAMINIDE WILL RULE WITH OR WITHOUT THE STUPID CLUB POLITICS. THE TOP OF THE LINE , CREAM OF THE CROP, SUPERIOR BREEDING ALWAYS COMES THRU.


I think the OLM broodmare that dropped you on your head and the Chaminade Stud that conceived you must be so proud of the gelding they have in you


Gelding...... That is funny:)


All I have to say is WARD MELVILLE! ! See you Cham snob!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 02:00 AM
Well, as I said, trying to take the high road and give the benefit of the doubt to the coaches who evaluated the tryout, but with all the Manhasset helmets that were there, gotta think something else was in the works despite the tryout itself...hearing that all the other ages had a similar look confirms it...looks like they are turning their backs on the Catholic school boys, padding their team with publics because they have been blackballed at Chaminade ( we can only assume since the Express relationship carries to all the Catholics' coaches, so might the ban... ) Cutting their loses early before players are told to by HS coaches...good business decision,..crappy thing to do to kids who are in their recruitment years! (never mind their innocent younger siblings). Basically shot them in the foot by not being upfront about this move, allowing the parents and kids the ability to chose another organizations tryout...Express and 91 were same night, so these kids now have limited ability to play on higher exposure teams...Wow, gotta hand it to you, had me fooled, believed you were about the kids first, that's what you professed, what you said set you apart... still think handing out disapline for the summer tourney fiasco was proper, I agreed with principle not the severity of the disapline...still defend the stand taken, that a commitment is a commitment...however, this late reversal of moral fiber in favor of future monetary stability is sorrowful...pandering to certain schools, padding the team with kids who didn't even come to the tryout, thought you were above that nonsense...I think you can piece together which team...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 02:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CHAMINIDE WILL RULE WITH OR WITHOUT THE STUPID CLUB POLITICS. THE TOP OF THE LINE , CREAM OF THE CROP, SUPERIOR BREEDING ALWAYS COMES THRU.


That worked real well for the Germans, did it...


Not what happened last year when they versed the LI publics. LOL!!!!


You don't "verse" somebody, you play them. (Sorry, pet peeve.)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 02:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CHAMINIDE WILL RULE WITH OR WITHOUT THE STUPID CLUB POLITICS. THE TOP OF THE LINE , CREAM OF THE CROP, SUPERIOR BREEDING ALWAYS COMES THRU.


That worked real well for the Germans, did it...


Not what happened last year when they versed the LI publics. LOL!!!!


You don't "verse" somebody, you play them. (Sorry, pet peeve.)thanks for the english lesson. I am sure you are well "versed" in the art of being a tool.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 02:55 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CHAMINIDE WILL RULE WITH OR WITHOUT THE STUPID CLUB POLITICS. THE TOP OF THE LINE , CREAM OF THE CROP, SUPERIOR BREEDING ALWAYS COMES THRU.


That worked real well for the Germans, did it...


Not what happened last year when they versed the LI publics. LOL!!!!


You don't "verse" somebody, you play them. (Sorry, pet peeve.)

Or you play versus the LI Publics
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 03:18 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, as I said, trying to take the high road and give the benefit of the doubt to the coaches who evaluated the tryout, but with all the Manhasset helmets that were there, gotta think something else was in the works despite the tryout itself...hearing that all the other ages had a similar look confirms it...looks like they are turning their backs on the Catholic school boys, padding their team with publics because they have been blackballed at Chaminade ( we can only assume since the Express relationship carries to all the Catholics' coaches, so might the ban... ) Cutting their loses early before players are told to by HS coaches...good business decision,..crappy thing to do to kids who are in their recruitment years! (never mind their innocent younger siblings). Basically shot them in the foot by not being upfront about this move, allowing the parents and kids the ability to chose another organizations tryout...Express and 91 were same night, so these kids now have limited ability to play on higher exposure teams...Wow, gotta hand it to you, had me fooled, believed you were about the kids first, that's what you professed, what you said set you apart... still think handing out disapline for the summer tourney fiasco was proper, I agreed with principle not the severity of the disapline...still defend the stand taken, that a commitment is a commitment...however, this late reversal of moral fiber in favor of future monetary stability is sorrowful...pandering to certain schools, padding the team with kids who didn't even come to the tryout, thought you were above that nonsense...I think you can piece together which team...


For the love of the Green....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 12:31 PM
Agree
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 12:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, as I said, trying to take the high road and give the benefit of the doubt to the coaches who evaluated the tryout, but with all the Manhasset helmets that were there, gotta think something else was in the works despite the tryout itself...hearing that all the other ages had a similar look confirms it...looks like they are turning their backs on the Catholic school boys, padding their team with publics because they have been blackballed at Chaminade ( we can only assume since the Express relationship carries to all the Catholics' coaches, so might the ban... ) Cutting their loses early before players are told to by HS coaches...good business decision,..crappy thing to do to kids who are in their recruitment years! (never mind their innocent younger siblings). Basically shot them in the foot by not being upfront about this move, allowing the parents and kids the ability to chose another organizations tryout...Express and 91 were same night, so these kids now have limited ability to play on higher exposure teams...Wow, gotta hand it to you, had me fooled, believed you were about the kids first, that's what you professed, what you said set you apart... still think handing out disapline for the summer tourney fiasco was proper, I agreed with principle not the severity of the disapline...still defend the stand taken, that a commitment is a commitment...however, this late reversal of moral fiber in favor of future monetary stability is sorrowful...pandering to certain schools, padding the team with kids who didn't even come to the tryout, thought you were above that nonsense...I think you can piece together which team...


For the love of the Green....


So fl$ runs another pricy tryout... collects tryout fees from everyone that shows expecting a fair shot; yet they secretly have blackball list for anyone in catholic school(especially Chaminade).

That might be a new low in lacrosse.

Also, as far as the discipline and dispute goes, yes the players have obligations to both teams (and teammates) but. in my book the obligation to school team trumps the "pay travel" team.

In the "customer is always right" mindset, fl$ should have made an accommodation for their players(paying customers).

Teams change tourneys all the time...unless perhaps it was a fl$ affiliated tourney that they line their own pockets with tourney fees (the old double dip).





Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 01:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, as I said, trying to take the high road and give the benefit of the doubt to the coaches who evaluated the tryout, but with all the Manhasset helmets that were there, gotta think something else was in the works despite the tryout itself...hearing that all the other ages had a similar look confirms it...looks like they are turning their backs on the Catholic school boys, padding their team with publics because they have been blackballed at Chaminade ( we can only assume since the Express relationship carries to all the Catholics' coaches, so might the ban... ) Cutting their loses early before players are told to by HS coaches...good business decision,..crappy thing to do to kids who are in their recruitment years! (never mind their innocent younger siblings). Basically shot them in the foot by not being upfront about this move, allowing the parents and kids the ability to chose another organizations tryout...Express and 91 were same night, so these kids now have limited ability to play on higher exposure teams...Wow, gotta hand it to you, had me fooled, believed you were about the kids first, that's what you professed, what you said set you apart... still think handing out disapline for the summer tourney fiasco was proper, I agreed with principle not the severity of the disapline...still defend the stand taken, that a commitment is a commitment...however, this late reversal of moral fiber in favor of future monetary stability is sorrowful...pandering to certain schools, padding the team with kids who didn't even come to the tryout, thought you were above that nonsense...I think you can piece together which team...
Isn't it just possible that the kids selected were just better?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 01:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, as I said, trying to take the high road and give the benefit of the doubt to the coaches who evaluated the tryout, but with all the Manhasset helmets that were there, gotta think something else was in the works despite the tryout itself...hearing that all the other ages had a similar look confirms it...looks like they are turning their backs on the Catholic school boys, padding their team with publics because they have been blackballed at Chaminade ( we can only assume since the Express relationship carries to all the Catholics' coaches, so might the ban... ) Cutting their loses early before players are told to by HS coaches...good business decision,..crappy thing to do to kids who are in their recruitment years! (never mind their innocent younger siblings). Basically shot them in the foot by not being upfront about this move, allowing the parents and kids the ability to chose another organizations tryout...Express and 91 were same night, so these kids now have limited ability to play on higher exposure teams...Wow, gotta hand it to you, had me fooled, believed you were about the kids first, that's what you professed, what you said set you apart... still think handing out disapline for the summer tourney fiasco was proper, I agreed with principle not the severity of the disapline...still defend the stand taken, that a commitment is a commitment...however, this late reversal of moral fiber in favor of future monetary stability is sorrowful...pandering to certain schools, padding the team with kids who didn't even come to the tryout, thought you were above that nonsense...I think you can piece together which team...
Isn't it just possible that the kids selected were just better?


That's what happened at 2020
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 01:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, as I said, trying to take the high road and give the benefit of the doubt to the coaches who evaluated the tryout, but with all the Manhasset helmets that were there, gotta think something else was in the works despite the tryout itself...hearing that all the other ages had a similar look confirms it...looks like they are turning their backs on the Catholic school boys, padding their team with publics because they have been blackballed at Chaminade ( we can only assume since the Express relationship carries to all the Catholics' coaches, so might the ban... ) Cutting their loses early before players are told to by HS coaches...good business decision,..crappy thing to do to kids who are in their recruitment years! (never mind their innocent younger siblings). Basically shot them in the foot by not being upfront about this move, allowing the parents and kids the ability to chose another organizations tryout...Express and 91 were same night, so these kids now have limited ability to play on higher exposure teams...Wow, gotta hand it to you, had me fooled, believed you were about the kids first, that's what you professed, what you said set you apart... still think handing out disapline for the summer tourney fiasco was proper, I agreed with principle not the severity of the disapline...still defend the stand taken, that a commitment is a commitment...however, this late reversal of moral fiber in favor of future monetary stability is sorrowful...pandering to certain schools, padding the team with kids who didn't even come to the tryout, thought you were above that nonsense...I think you can piece together which team...


Amen! Terribly disappointing behavior from an organization that prides and markets itself on being above all of this low-brow stuff. They could not have handled these tryouts any worse. I also don't see the upside in going to war with Chaminade. There are lots of travel teams out there for kids/parents to choose from.....but there is only one Chaminade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 04:39 PM
Winkoff is a very vindictive man. Not as nice as people think. I admit real good lacrosse coach but has a nasty side to him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 05:29 PM
Get your facts straight. Chaminade kids or not signed on to play for team for a two month summer season. Numbers on that team are finite. If they don't show for a tournament team could be significantly diluted. They committed. Numbers for Chaminade summer team are infinite in the off season and they can be replaced. Chaminade coach fired the first silo about what program to not play for... FACT. '20 team still has 2 GC kids that were skilled enough to make the team. Three Manhasset kids defected from Express and earned their spots adding to the Manhasset contingent on the team--there was no cencerted effort to go out and get more Manhasset players vs. GC. Several Manhasset kids that tried out did not make the team. Sour grapes from some GC parents... Go Manhasset. Woodstick will reside on the North Shore for years to come.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 07:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, as I said, trying to take the high road and give the benefit of the doubt to the coaches who evaluated the tryout, but with all the Manhasset helmets that were there, gotta think something else was in the works despite the tryout itself...hearing that all the other ages had a similar look confirms it...looks like they are turning their backs on the Catholic school boys, padding their team with publics because they have been blackballed at Chaminade ( we can only assume since the Express relationship carries to all the Catholics' coaches, so might the ban... ) Cutting their loses early before players are told to by HS coaches...good business decision,..crappy thing to do to kids who are in their recruitment years! (never mind their innocent younger siblings). Basically shot them in the foot by not being upfront about this move, allowing the parents and kids the ability to chose another organizations tryout...Express and 91 were same night, so these kids now have limited ability to play on higher exposure teams...Wow, gotta hand it to you, had me fooled, believed you were about the kids first, that's what you professed, what you said set you apart... still think handing out disapline for the summer tourney fiasco was proper, I agreed with principle not the severity of the disapline...still defend the stand taken, that a commitment is a commitment...however, this late reversal of moral fiber in favor of future monetary stability is sorrowful...pandering to certain schools, padding the team with kids who didn't even come to the tryout, thought you were above that nonsense...I think you can piece together which team...

So the fact that there were a lot of Manhassset helmets at the tryout means something else was in the works?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 07:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Get your facts straight. Chaminade kids or not signed on to play for team for a two month summer season. Numbers on that team are finite. If they don't show for a tournament team could be significantly diluted. They committed. Numbers for Chaminade summer team are infinite in the off season and they can be replaced. Chaminade coach fired the first silo about what program to not play for... FACT. '20 team still has 2 GC kids that were skilled enough to make the team. Three Manhasset kids defected from Express and earned their spots adding to the Manhasset contingent on the team--there was no cencerted effort to go out and get more Manhasset players vs. GC. Several Manhasset kids that tried out did not make the team. Sour grapes from some GC parents... Go Manhasset. Woodstick will reside on the North Shore for years to come.


Take it down a notch Manhasset Daddy....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 07:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Winkoff is a very vindictive man. Not as nice as people think. I admit real good lacrosse coach but has a nasty side to him.


Vindictive? Perhaps. Real good lacrosse coach? Are you serious? Have you seen him on the sidelines? He's a joke. Ranting and raving half the time, barking at kids and then contradicting himself seconds later. Painful to watch.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 07:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Get your facts straight. Chaminade kids or not signed on to play for team for a two month summer season. Numbers on that team are finite. If they don't show for a tournament team could be significantly diluted. They committed. Numbers for Chaminade summer team are infinite in the off season and they can be replaced. Chaminade coach fired the first silo about what program to not play for... FACT. '20 team still has 2 GC kids that were skilled enough to make the team. Three Manhasset kids defected from Express and earned their spots adding to the Manhasset contingent on the team--there was no cencerted effort to go out and get more Manhasset players vs. GC. Several Manhasset kids that tried out did not make the team. Sour grapes from some GC parents... Go Manhasset. Woodstick will reside on the North Shore for years to come.


Take it down a notch Manhasset Daddy....


Exactly. No dog in this hunt but based on the Manhasset tool's last comment, I hope GC pounds Manhasset next year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/25/15 08:22 PM
Thus my first statement about benefit of doubt, I saw the tryouts, consider myself pretty objective guy...if team wants to go in another fdirection, so be it...not denying that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, in this case talent...it's all the garbage associated with this situation that brings out this rhetoric...and kids who don't even come to a night of tryouts can neither be better nor worse, regardless of past play history...just not an even playing field, fee aside, just not what was expected from this organization...my son got better playing with team, grateful, really positive experience and attitudes towards teaching, that's why we were surprised...enough said, good luck to all ghe boys
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/26/15 02:55 PM
Sorry to hear. Good luck to you and I hope your son finds a competitive team with good people to play with.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/26/15 03:46 PM
Here's a new twist on reclassifying.

Kid announces he is going to do a PG year.

Still graduates with his age appropriate class, but plays DOWN a year for his Club team (i.e. will graduate 2017 but plays on 2018 club).

Thoughts?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/26/15 04:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here's a new twist on reclassifying.

Kid announces he is going to do a PG year.

Still graduates with his age appropriate class, but plays DOWN a year for his Club team (i.e. will graduate 2017 but plays on 2018 club).

Thoughts?

It stinks but the world we live in now is that 2018 means the year they will be entering college not the year they are graduating HS, for most kids it is the same year but for a kid the is going to PG it is not - - so in your example the kid is graduating HS in 2017 and then PG'ing so will enter college in the fall of 2018 and is playing summer ball as a 2018 -
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/26/15 04:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here's a new twist on reclassifying.

Kid announces he is going to do a PG year.

Still graduates with his age appropriate class, but plays DOWN a year for his Club team (i.e. will graduate 2017 but plays on 2018 club).

Thoughts?


unfortunately it is not new, been happening the past few years. Still a crock. If you are PG'ing you should be playing as tough of competition as you can on age or above; you are Pging for goodness sake, why to get into a better school to play, challenge yourself!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/26/15 04:29 PM
Garden City rated top again, Mahasset not even on this list

Here are the 10 ďsnobbiestĒ places in New [lacrosse], according to RoadSnacks:

Garden City
Huntington
Rockville Centre
Massapequa
Melville
White Plains
Syosset
New City
Saratoga Springs
Merrick
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/26/15 04:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Garden City rated top again, Mahasset not even on this list

Here are the 10 ďsnobbiestĒ places in New [lacrosse], according to RoadSnacks:

Garden City
Huntington
Rockville Centre
Massapequa
Melville
White Plains
Syosset
New City
Saratoga Springs
Merrick


You would think a child posted this, but something tells me it is yet another "gem" from a Manhasset Daddy. You are truly embarrassing yourself and your community at this point.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/26/15 04:57 PM
Their rating criteria is a bit byzantine. A number of those towns I would never consider "snobby" while a few not on there certainly come to mind... Manhasset not on their due to the fact that there is a low income area and housing projects bringing down the Median while GC, generally speaking is more homogeneous. List does not take into account attitude, but extrapolates home value, income, private schools and arts venues into the criteria extrapolating those combination of things equate to snobbiness...ok then.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/26/15 05:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Their rating criteria is a bit byzantine. A number of those towns I would never consider "snobby" while a few not on there certainly come to mind... Manhasset not on their due to the fact that there is a low income area and housing projects bringing down the Median while GC, generally speaking is more homogeneous. List does not take into account attitude, but extrapolates home value, income, private schools and arts venues into the criteria extrapolating those combination of things equate to snobbiness...ok then.


I would like to complain about posts like the one above that is well written, well thought out, accurate and dead on target, sort of a snobby post if you ask me.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/26/15 05:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Garden City rated top again, Mahasset not even on this list

Here are the 10 ďsnobbiestĒ places in New [lacrosse], according to RoadSnacks:

Garden City
Huntington
Rockville Centre
Massapequa
Melville
White Plains
Syosset
New City
Saratoga Springs
Merrick


You would think a child posted this, but something tells me it is yet another "gem" from a Manhasset Daddy. You are truly embarrassing yourself and your community at this point.


Nope - I posted the original list from the patch because it seemed kinda funny in a real stupid kind of way and with the lacrosse towns mentioned BTW my town IS on the list and yours probably isn't
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/26/15 05:40 PM
As the author of the "analysis" I find the comments all funny and good natured. I also am from a town embedded in the Huntington umbrella...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/26/15 05:47 PM
you mean Medford didn't make the list?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/26/15 07:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here's a new twist on reclassifying.

Kid announces he is going to do a PG year.

Still graduates with his age appropriate class, but plays DOWN a year for his Club team (i.e. will graduate 2017 but plays on 2018 club).

Thoughts?


Cheating, cheater.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/26/15 08:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Garden City rated top again, Mahasset not even on this list

Here are the 10 ďsnobbiestĒ places in New [lacrosse], according to RoadSnacks:

Garden City
Huntington
Rockville Centre
Massapequa
Melville
White Plains
Syosset
New City
Saratoga Springs
Merrick


You would think a child posted this, but something tells me it is yet another "gem" from a Manhasset Daddy. You are truly embarrassing yourself and your community at this point.


Nope - I posted the original list from the patch because it seemed kinda funny in a real stupid kind of way and with the lacrosse towns mentioned BTW my town IS on the list and yours probably isn't


It is a funny list...and my little village made it! Signed: A Proud Snob!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 12:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CHAMINIDE WILL RULE WITH OR WITHOUT THE STUPID CLUB POLITICS. THE TOP OF THE LINE , CREAM OF THE CROP, SUPERIOR BREEDING ALWAYS COMES THRU.


That worked real well for the Germans, did it...


Not what happened last year when they versed the LI publics. LOL!!!!


You don't "verse" somebody, you play them. (Sorry, pet peeve.)thanks for the english lesson. I am sure you are well "versed" in the art of being a tool.

LOL. Since they are so well 'versed' I bet they can also expunge on the 'prose' of the superior education. :-)
But then again it's all just knowing English.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 12:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Garden City rated top again, Mahasset not even on this list

Here are the 10 ďsnobbiestĒ places in New [lacrosse], according to RoadSnacks:

Garden City
Huntington
Rockville Centre
Massapequa
Melville
White Plains
Syosset
New City
Saratoga Springs
Merrick


You would think a child posted this, but something tells me it is yet another "gem" from a Manhasset Daddy. You are truly embarrassing yourself and your community at this point.


Nope - I posted the original list from the patch because it seemed kinda funny in a real stupid kind of way and with the lacrosse towns mentioned BTW my town IS on the list and yours probably isn't

Hi - I'm a Marylander and was wondering: Do people really live in Garden City? Isn't that just a mall and a lot of strip malls?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 12:52 PM
the mall isn't really Garden City, it's on the very edge of town. most of the commerce is on the borders
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 01:04 PM
Garden City is a unique hamlet in Queens.
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 01:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Garden City is a unique hamlet in Queens.


Nassau County..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 02:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Garden City is a unique hamlet in Queens.


A magical place where the beer flows like wine and women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capostrano.
Posted By: America's Game Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 03:00 PM
Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Garden City is a unique hamlet in Queens.


Nassau County..

You bit on that one.
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 03:01 PM
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Garden City is a unique hamlet in Queens.


Nassau County..

You bit on that one.


Bitter too.. lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 03:04 PM
LOL. Yes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 03:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Garden City is a unique hamlet in Queens.


I could be mistaken here, but Garden City is actually an old, old, wooden ship, from the...civil war era
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 03:53 PM
Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Garden City is a unique hamlet in Queens.


Nassau County..


Nassau is the new Queens. Drive through GC, Franklin Sq, etc. Big difference compared to 20 years ago.
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Garden City is a unique hamlet in Queens.


Nassau County..


Nassau is the new Queens. Drive through GC, Franklin Sq, etc. Big difference compared to 20 years ago.


I was just saying that the other day.. Queens is like NYC, Nassau the new Queens and Suffolk the new Nassau.. agree with ya here.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 04:13 PM
Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Garden City is a unique hamlet in Queens.


Nassau County..


Nassau is the new Queens. Drive through GC, Franklin Sq, etc. Big difference compared to 20 years ago.


I was just saying that the other day.. Queens is like NYC, Nassau the new Queens and Suffolk the new Nassau.. agree with ya here.


Not North of 25A
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 04:32 PM
Come on lacrosse please.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 04:44 PM
for all you laxers..
HS LI results....2014/15
Nassau- 3
Suffolk- 0
build some sidewalks ans sewers and we will talk
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 04:52 PM
lol
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 04:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Garden City is a unique hamlet in Queens.


Nassau County..


Nassau is the new Queens. Drive through GC, Franklin Sq, etc. Big difference compared to 20 years ago.


I was just saying that the other day.. Queens is like NYC, Nassau the new Queens and Suffolk the new Nassau.. agree with ya here.


Not North of 25A


Let's hope it stays that way.
Posted By: anonomous Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 05:03 PM
I heard Al Sharpton has a kid who is 2025 material...looking at GC for place to play....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 05:35 PM
Originally Posted by anonomous
I heard Al Sharpton has a kid who is 2025 material...looking at GC for place to play....


Better off at a club in Baltimore
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 05:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
for all you laxers..
HS LI results....2014/15
Nassau- 3
Suffolk- 0
build some sidewalks ans sewers and we will talk


Girls 631 SWEEP STATE CHAMPS!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 05:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Garden City is a unique hamlet in Queens.


A magical place where the beer flows like wine and women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capostrano.


I get it, I won't Swallow.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 06:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
for all you laxers..
HS LI results....2014/15
Nassau- 3
Suffolk- 0
build some sidewalks ans sewers and we will talk


Not on the girls side.
Suffolk 3
Nassau 0
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/27/15 11:40 PM
Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Garden City is a unique hamlet in Queens.


Nassau County..


Nassau is the new Queens. Drive through GC, Franklin Sq, etc. Big difference compared to 20 years ago.


I was just saying that the other day.. Queens is like NYC, Nassau the new Queens and Suffolk the new Nassau.. agree with ya here.


Guess you haven't been to the north shore
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/28/15 01:29 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonomous
I heard Al Sharpton has a kid who is 2025 material...looking at GC for place to play....


Better off at a club in Baltimore


Now that's funny.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/28/15 05:26 PM
as a parent of a PG player I just had to response to this- At my son's school the PG players play against college teams they do not play against HS seniors-The PG class mostly have their college commits and the ones that dont are being watched closely by coaches-The varsity team will play HS seniors - so there is no playing down as you say-
Posted By: America's Game Re: Complaint Department - 08/28/15 05:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
as a parent of a PG player I just had to response to this- At my son's school the PG players play against college teams they do not play against HS seniors-The PG class mostly have their college commits and the ones that dont are being watched closely by coaches-The varsity team will play HS seniors - so there is no playing down as you say-

I think you need to be made aware of kids that are claiming to PG and play on travel teams a year down. Because you state you are PGing doesn't give you the right to play a year down.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/28/15 05:59 PM
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
as a parent of a PG player I just had to response to this- At my son's school the PG players play against college teams they do not play against HS seniors-The PG class mostly have their college commits and the ones that dont are being watched closely by coaches-The varsity team will play HS seniors - so there is no playing down as you say-

I think you need to be made aware of kids that are claiming to PG and play on travel teams a year down. Because you state you are PGing doesn't give you the right to play a year down.


unfortunately, you don't need a right, there are no rules, there is no governing organization and you can pretty much do whatever you want and there is nothing anybody can do about it - nobody is breaking rules because there are no rules
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/28/15 06:15 PM
Has anyone ever added sand to a shaft for weight? Or is there a better way to add weight?
Posted By: America's Game Re: Complaint Department - 08/28/15 06:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has anyone ever added sand to a shaft for weight? Or is there a better way to add weight?


I have added BBs and packed stick down then put silicone at bottom and let it dry. Put butt end on and it worked fine. A lot cheaper than buying a weighted stick.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/28/15 06:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
as a parent of a PG player I just had to response to this- At my son's school the PG players play against college teams they do not play against HS seniors-The PG class mostly have their college commits and the ones that dont are being watched closely by coaches-The varsity team will play HS seniors - so there is no playing down as you say-

I think you need to be made aware of kids that are claiming to PG and play on travel teams a year down. Because you state you are PGing doesn't give you the right to play a year down.


unfortunately, you don't need a right, there are no rules, there is no governing organization and you can pretty much do whatever you want and there is nothing anybody can do about it - nobody is breaking rules because there are no rules


no you are wrong that there are no rules; they are rules of Law.

Fraudulent Misrepresentation

a plaintiff can recover against a defendant on the grounds of fraudulent misrepresentation if (1) a representation was made; (2) that was false; (3) that when made, the representation was known to be false or made recklessly without knowledge of its truth; (4) that it was made with the intention that the plaintiff rely on it; (5) that the plaintiff did rely on it; and (6) that the plaintiff suffered damages as a result.

Many organizations sign contracts to play in tournaments.

Probably held up for years but will drag all parties involved in the mud for a bit. not worth it.
Posted By: America's Game Re: Complaint Department - 08/28/15 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
as a parent of a PG player I just had to response to this- At my son's school the PG players play against college teams they do not play against HS seniors-The PG class mostly have their college commits and the ones that dont are being watched closely by coaches-The varsity team will play HS seniors - so there is no playing down as you say-

I think you need to be made aware of kids that are claiming to PG and play on travel teams a year down. Because you state you are PGing doesn't give you the right to play a year down.


unfortunately, you don't need a right, there are no rules, there is no governing organization and you can pretty much do whatever you want and there is nothing anybody can do about it - nobody is breaking rules because there are no rules


Ethics where have they gone?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/28/15 08:22 PM
Exactly. So many people with zero morals or ethics, who hide behind the weak defense that "there's no law against it." There's no specific law against lots of things but a civilized society relies on people to take into account how their actions impact others. There is a moral code of conduct that is completely lost on these narcissistic weaklings.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/28/15 08:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
as a parent of a PG player I just had to response to this- At my son's school the PG players play against college teams they do not play against HS seniors-The PG class mostly have their college commits and the ones that dont are being watched closely by coaches-The varsity team will play HS seniors - so there is no playing down as you say-

I think you need to be made aware of kids that are claiming to PG and play on travel teams a year down. Because you state you are PGing doesn't give you the right to play a year down.


unfortunately, you don't need a right, there are no rules, there is no governing organization and you can pretty much do whatever you want and there is nothing anybody can do about it - nobody is breaking rules because there are no rules


no you are wrong that there are no rules; they are rules of Law.

Fraudulent Misrepresentation

a plaintiff can recover against a defendant on the grounds of fraudulent misrepresentation if (1) a representation was made; (2) that was false; (3) that when made, the representation was known to be false or made recklessly without knowledge of its truth; (4) that it was made with the intention that the plaintiff rely on it; (5) that the plaintiff did rely on it; and (6) that the plaintiff suffered damages as a result.

Many organizations sign contracts to play in tournaments.

Probably held up for years but will drag all parties involved in the mud for a bit. not worth it.


Great. A lawyer! So you are going back 8 years and will prove the kid had no intention of prep school? Demand your tee shirt back?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/28/15 08:52 PM
No PG players play down they play college teams I don't know what you all are talking about when you think they play high school seniors- the varsity team in school just play seniors and our JV plays the 9,10,11 grade teams so no one is getting an advantage - PG players are there for various reasons one being that the college that they are committed to wanted one more year of play at their prep school
Posted By: America's Game Re: Complaint Department - 08/28/15 09:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No PG players play down they play college teams I don't know what you all are talking about when you think they play high school seniors- the varsity team in school just play seniors and our JV plays the 9,10,11 grade teams so no one is getting an advantage - PG players are there for various reasons one being that the college that they are committed to wanted one more year of play at their prep school


I have an example: there is a kid in 10th grade says he is going to PG a year and now plays with 9th grade travel team. He has yet to PG yet takes advantage of saying he is PGing. I get it when you are in your PG year at the school you are paying to go to but when your still in 10th grade and taking a spot from a true 9th grader on a travel team that's BS.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/15 12:12 AM
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No PG players play down they play college teams I don't know what you all are talking about when you think they play high school seniors- the varsity team in school just play seniors and our JV plays the 9,10,11 grade teams so no one is getting an advantage - PG players are there for various reasons one being that the college that they are committed to wanted one more year of play at their prep school


I have an example: there is a kid in 10th grade says he is going to PG a year and now plays with 9th grade travel team. He has yet to PG yet takes advantage of saying he is PGing. I get it when you are in your PG year at the school you are paying to go to but when your still in 10th grade and taking a spot from a true 9th grader on a travel team that's BS.


This is an example of pure cheating. Why doesn't everybody decide to do a PG year and play down a year? Who's to say in 2 years that's still his plan . Loose regulation is making lacrosse a less respectable game for youth players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/15 01:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No PG players play down they play college teams I don't know what you all are talking about when you think they play high school seniors- the varsity team in school just play seniors and our JV plays the 9,10,11 grade teams so no one is getting an advantage - PG players are there for various reasons one being that the college that they are committed to wanted one more year of play at their prep school


I have an example: there is a kid in 10th grade says he is going to PG a year and now plays with 9th grade travel team. He has yet to PG yet takes advantage of saying he is PGing. I get it when you are in your PG year at the school you are paying to go to but when your still in 10th grade and taking a spot from a true 9th grader on a travel team that's BS.


This is an example of pure cheating. Why doesn't everybody decide to do a PG year and play down a year? Who's to say in 2 years that's still his plan . Loose regulation is making lacrosse a less respectable game for youth players.


That's exactly why lacrosse needs to be age based. To eliminate those trying to exploit the system. Shameful to those who do, and find a hole to get your kid to be noticed. Really just disgusting, and don't think everyone doesn't know and talk about your cheating ways.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/15 01:52 AM
Here's a narative for the holdback parents. An older boy beats up your younger son. You go to the parents and ask,why doesn't your boy pick on someone his own age? The parents respond, our son got his [lacrosse] kicked by kids his own age, so we told him to beat up younger boys, that way he feels better and most importantly, so do we. You're ok with that response right?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/15 12:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here's a narative for the holdback parents. An older boy beats up your younger son. You go to the parents and ask,why doesn't your boy pick on someone his own age? The parents respond, our son got his [lacrosse] kicked by kids his own age, so we told him to beat up younger boys, that way he feels better and most importantly, so do we. You're ok with that response right?


here's a narrative for the real world, you have a Sophomore in High School that is a good lacrosse player and good student, but to better his lot in life you decide to have him PG a year after HS to help him get recruited to play lacrosse in college, now to be on the same playing field with a lot of kids from south of Long Island who repeated 8th grade he decides to play summer lacrosse as a 9th grader so he will play with against kids that he is now competing with to be recruited and it works, he gets recruited to an outstanding lacrosse school and great academic university. But he is the real problem he will face.....he must now live with the ridicule of the faceless, nameless anonymous posters on BOTC I am sure he regrets his decision now that he is looked poorly upon by all the "Harrison Bergeron" nothing heads on this site
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/15 01:33 PM
I see what you mean now - a 10th grader can not play down because he said he will PG after his senior year - PG means that you completed all 4 years of high school and will be PG ing ( post grad) at a prep school - when you are in your prep year the team plays a college schedule never against high schools - maybe what is happening is parents might leave a child back when they make a transition into a private or prep school in 9th or 10th grade having the student repeat the grade Vand then the player will play down which is an advantage to the team for sure but it's not a PG player - he can then PG somewhere too and get another year of growth in the sport-
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/15 01:36 PM
I guess you don't see the irony in complaining about anonymous posters as you post anonymously??? Pulling out a Vonnegut reference at the end to demonstrate your deep intellect. So transparent. Must be another benefit of the PG!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/15 02:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here's a narative for the holdback parents. An older boy beats up your younger son. You go to the parents and ask,why doesn't your boy pick on someone his own age? The parents respond, our son got his [lacrosse] kicked by kids his own age, so we told him to beat up younger boys, that way he feels better and most importantly, so do we. You're ok with that response right?


here's a narrative for the real world, you have a Sophomore in High School that is a good lacrosse player and good student, but to better his lot in life you decide to have him PG a year after HS to help him get recruited to play lacrosse in college, now to be on the same playing field with a lot of kids from south of Long Island who repeated 8th grade he decides to play summer lacrosse as a 9th grader so he will play with against kids that he is now competing with to be recruited and it works, he gets recruited to an outstanding lacrosse school and great academic university. But he is the real problem he will face.....he must now live with the ridicule of the faceless, nameless anonymous posters on BOTC I am sure he regrets his decision now that he is looked poorly upon by all the "Harrison Bergeron" nothing heads on this site

Who does Harrison Bergeron play for?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/15 08:00 PM
Okay ready for power rankings again. Not sure if that is good or bad. What's everyone's thoughts. I just hate the flip flopping of how the leagues are done. Wished they would also play the Catholics into the mix to,see who is really the top teams.

Love Ct and NJ tournament of all schools concept.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/15 08:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Okay ready for power rankings again. Not sure if that is good or bad. What's everyone's thoughts. I just hate the flip flopping of how the leagues are done. Wished they would also play the Catholics into the mix to,see who is really the top teams.

Love Ct and NJ tournament of all schools concept.


They do! Don't you remember last year chaminade was beat by Ward Melville and Pequa
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/31/15 05:55 PM
Harrison Bergeron definitely plays for one of them there snobby towns- you can tell from the name.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/31/15 11:17 PM
What's the point, I just don't get it. If a large nba or major league contract was waiting for you at the end, pg, holdback do whatever you have to do. Millions of dollers to play a sport. I'd holdback my son. I could careless what anyone says, especially on this site. However what's at the end of this rainbow, maybe 8, 10 grand off tuition. Coaching a club team or giving private lessons for a few grand a year. Playing in MLL for 1000 a game. I just don't see why people holdback academically sound kids, to be a year older in lacrosse. I just don't get it. If my parents told me in 7 th grade, we are holding you back, so you can be better in lacrosse, all my friends move up a grade, except me. I would have been devastated.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/01/15 12:25 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's the point, I just don't get it. If a large nba or major league contract was waiting for you at the end, pg, holdback do whatever you have to do. Millions of dollers to play a sport. I'd holdback my son. I could careless what anyone says, especially on this site. However what's at the end of this rainbow, maybe 8, 10 grand off tuition. Coaching a club team or giving private lessons for a few grand a year. Playing in MLL for 1000 a game. I just don't see why people holdback academically sound kids, to be a year older in lacrosse. I just don't get it. If my parents told me in 7 th grade, we are holding you back, so you can be better in lacrosse, all my friends move up a grade, except me. I would have been devastated.


It is not about $$$ per se. It is about taking a kid who might otherwise go to some mid level, very ordinary school and using lax to get him into Cornell, Duke or some other school that wouldn't even look at them without a sports hook. That is the ever more elusive dream that people are chasing...I think most people are not in it expecting to get a free ride. They want their kid in a better school.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/01/15 01:25 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's the point, I just don't get it. If a large nba or major league contract was waiting for you at the end, pg, holdback do whatever you have to do. Millions of dollers to play a sport. I'd holdback my son. I could careless what anyone says, especially on this site. However what's at the end of this rainbow, maybe 8, 10 grand off tuition. Coaching a club team or giving private lessons for a few grand a year. Playing in MLL for 1000 a game. I just don't see why people holdback academically sound kids, to be a year older in lacrosse. I just don't get it. If my parents told me in 7 th grade, we are holding you back, so you can be better in lacrosse, all my friends move up a grade, except me. I would have been devastated.


No doubt but the likelihood of lax getting you into Cornell may be even less likely than getting some scholarship money. You can't be on track to go academically get into NYIT and suddenly find you are a candidate for Cornell. You still need some brains.


It is not about $$$ per se. It is about taking a kid who might otherwise go to some mid level, very ordinary school and using lax to get him into Cornell, Duke or some other school that wouldn't even look at them without a sports hook. That is the ever more elusive dream that people are chasing...I think most people are not in it expecting to get a free ride. They want their kid in a better school.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/01/15 02:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's the point, I just don't get it. If a large nba or major league contract was waiting for you at the end, pg, holdback do whatever you have to do. Millions of dollers to play a sport. I'd holdback my son. I could careless what anyone says, especially on this site. However what's at the end of this rainbow, maybe 8, 10 grand off tuition. Coaching a club team or giving private lessons for a few grand a year. Playing in MLL for 1000 a game. I just don't see why people holdback academically sound kids, to be a year older in lacrosse. I just don't get it. If my parents told me in 7 th grade, we are holding you back, so you can be better in lacrosse, all my friends move up a grade, except me. I would have been devastated.


It is not about $$$ per se. It is about taking a kid who might otherwise go to some mid level, very ordinary school and using lax to get him into Cornell, Duke or some other school that wouldn't even look at them without a sports hook. That is the ever more elusive dream that people are chasing...I think most people are not in it expecting to get a free ride. They want their kid in a better school.


And then the kid is not able to handle the academics of a cornell or duke and bounces around from one school to the next (flunking out each time, but getting to play a year of lax for a coach who wants to win at any cost)and after his four years of eligibility are up he has nothing to show for it but some great lax memories and a degree in hard knocks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/01/15 10:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's the point, I just don't get it. If a large nba or major league contract was waiting for you at the end, pg, holdback do whatever you have to do. Millions of dollers to play a sport. I'd holdback my son. I could careless what anyone says, especially on this site. However what's at the end of this rainbow, maybe 8, 10 grand off tuition. Coaching a club team or giving private lessons for a few grand a year. Playing in MLL for 1000 a game. I just don't see why people holdback academically sound kids, to be a year older in lacrosse. I just don't get it. If my parents told me in 7 th grade, we are holding you back, so you can be better in lacrosse, all my friends move up a grade, except me. I would have been devastated.


It is not about $$$ per se. It is about taking a kid who might otherwise go to some mid level, very ordinary school and using lax to get him into Cornell, Duke or some other school that wouldn't even look at them without a sports hook. That is the ever more elusive dream that people are chasing...I think most people are not in it expecting to get a free ride. They want their kid in a better school.


And then the kid is not able to handle the academics of a cornell or duke and bounces around from one school to the next (flunking out each time, but getting to play a year of lax for a coach who wants to win at any cost)and after his four years of eligibility are up he has nothing to show for it but some great lax memories and a degree in hard knocks


Unfortunately pre-first/holding back/PG works for many children, not all .And now that the youth leagues and club teams permit all these kids to play down... Playing down will continue and get worst in my opinion at youth level. USL is a joke and does nothing about it except moan every once in a while.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/01/15 11:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's the point, I just don't get it. If a large nba or major league contract was waiting for you at the end, pg, holdback do whatever you have to do. Millions of dollers to play a sport. I'd holdback my son. I could careless what anyone says, especially on this site. However what's at the end of this rainbow, maybe 8, 10 grand off tuition. Coaching a club team or giving private lessons for a few grand a year. Playing in MLL for 1000 a game. I just don't see why people holdback academically sound kids, to be a year older in lacrosse. I just don't get it. If my parents told me in 7 th grade, we are holding you back, so you can be better in lacrosse, all my friends move up a grade, except me. I would have been devastated.


It is not about $$$ per se. It is about taking a kid who might otherwise go to some mid level, very ordinary school and using lax to get him into Cornell, Duke or some other school that wouldn't even look at them without a sports hook. That is the ever more elusive dream that people are chasing...I think most people are not in it expecting to get a free ride. They want their kid in a better school.


And then the kid is not able to handle the academics of a cornell or duke and bounces around from one school to the next (flunking out each time, but getting to play a year of lax for a coach who wants to win at any cost)and after his four years of eligibility are up he has nothing to show for it but some great lax memories and a degree in hard knocks


Unfortunately pre-first/holding back/PG works for many children, not all .And now that the youth leagues and club teams permit all these kids to play down... Playing down will continue and get worst in my opinion at youth level. USL is a joke and does nothing about it except moan every once in a while.


I totally agree, however, you do know where USL offices are right? You also know which D1 team is one of the biggest beneficiaries of holdbacks and double holdbacks right? Do we really need to discuss this disgrace any further? Please. Never going to change until this sport gets a real governing body that isn't in bed with the top D1 programs. I really wonder what the general public, non-lacrosse type people would think about this whole mess? A sport where kids are forced to play a sport with heavy contact against kids 2 years older than them. Amazing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/01/15 11:47 AM
AAU basketball has it right...government issued photo ID is now the standard for age confirmation and identification...doing it for years already in youth football because THEY care who gets hurt and who gets an unfair advantage...start it at the young levels NOW and clean up this sport for tomorrow , already to late for our kids to have a level playing field...all it would take is Express and 91 to say enough and others would follow, and they wouldn't lose a dime...just some players and MAYBE a win or two...we are already at a disadvantage against out of state teams because of school age, but no reason to ignore this issue... reach out to crabs, leading edge, etc and stop the nonsense...College coaches need to hold the line at their prospect camps, heard some are doing just that, but they all need too get going...Long Island elite could lead they way...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/01/15 03:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

No doubt but the likelihood of lax getting you into Cornell may be even less likely than getting some scholarship money. You can't be on track to go academically get into NYIT and suddenly find you are a candidate for Cornell. You still need some brains.


A non-lacrosse player, non-minority, male student with a 95 GPA and a 27 on the ACT's can not think about any Ivy league school but an exceptional lacrosse player with those numbers might be able to get into an Ivy and if that kid needs to repeat a year either in 8th or PG to get the Ivy coach interested in him then to me it seems to be a no brainer. much harder getting into an Ivy then staying in an Ivy. It is not that these kids are not qualified to go to these schools it is that there are so many qualified kids that it is really hard to get it and if Lacrosse is your hook, use it same as if it was crew, acting, debate or oboe
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/01/15 03:52 PM
Craziness. My 7th grader turned 12 two weeks ago. His friend, also a 7th grader, turns 13 tomorrow. My son is barely 5 feet. His friend is 5'8". That's the difference between pre-pubescent and post pubescent. In this age range size dominates athleticism and good stick skills. Yes, it will equalize as the boys head into 9th grade but for this period of time it is a killer for those on the young side and puts them at distinct disadvantage. And the fact is that it's much harder to lose a spot on a good team than it is to win that spot.
Posted By: The Hop Re: Complaint Department - 09/01/15 03:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

No doubt but the likelihood of lax getting you into Cornell may be even less likely than getting some scholarship money. You can't be on track to go academically get into NYIT and suddenly find you are a candidate for Cornell. You still need some brains.


A non-lacrosse player, non-minority, male student with a 95 GPA and a 27 on the ACT's can not think about any Ivy league school but an exceptional lacrosse player with those numbers might be able to get into an Ivy and if that kid needs to repeat a year either in 8th or PG to get the Ivy coach interested in him then to me it seems to be a no brainer. much harder getting into an Ivy then staying in an Ivy. It is not that these kids are not qualified to go to these schools it is that there are so many qualified kids that it is really hard to get it and if Lacrosse is your hook, use it same as if it was crew, acting, debate or oboe


Well said. This same reasoning goes for most good schools today. The landscape is way more competitive than in years past.
These kids still need the academics however and no amount of lacrosse talent can overcome poor grades. Lax is a door opener for a kid with good grades.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/01/15 04:24 PM
Yup. I have dealt with this with my son for years. Getting overlooked because he is immature and young (and a little less coordinated). He made his middle school team but doesn't see the time others do. He is in 8th grade, and still 12, there are at least a half dozen A players in the 2021 year (a year below) that are older than him. He has football starting in a couple of weeks and there are kids 14 that he is trying to compete with. The sad fact is all too many programs(both town and club) wash kids out by 9th grade and they are done. Then by junior / senior year the team has a handful of 5foot 9 kids playing who were anointed in 7th grade and a half dozen 6 ' 1" -6' 2" kids doing nothing in the spring. My kid's "problem" was that academically he was ready to go to kindergarten so we put him in school rather than have him "pg" an extra year when he was 4! (If only I had been aligned with one of the top travel programs who could have given me this recruiting advice back then)
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Craziness. My 7th grader turned 12 two weeks ago. His friend, also a 7th grader, turns 13 tomorrow. My son is barely 5 feet. His friend is 5'8". That's the difference between pre-pubescent and post pubescent. In this age range size dominates athleticism and good stick skills. Yes, it will equalize as the boys head into 9th grade but for this period of time it is a killer for those on the young side and puts them at distinct disadvantage. And the fact is that it's much harder to lose a spot on a good team than it is to win that spot.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/02/15 02:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
AAU basketball has it right...government issued photo ID is now the standard for age confirmation and identification...doing it for years already in youth football because THEY care who gets hurt and who gets an unfair advantage...start it at the young levels NOW and clean up this sport for tomorrow , already to late for our kids to have a level playing field...all it would take is Express and 91 to say enough and others would follow, and they wouldn't lose a dime...just some players and MAYBE a win or two...we are already at a disadvantage against out of state teams because of school age, but no reason to ignore this issue... reach out to crabs, leading edge, etc and stop the nonsense...College coaches need to hold the line at their prospect camps, heard some are doing just that, but they all need too get going...Long Island elite could lead they way...


91 just had tryouts in Maryland. They are grade based teams... Count them out .. I dont see anything stopping this disgusting aspects of lacrosse at the youth level...And for sure the USL isnt going too
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/02/15 01:47 PM
"My kid's "problem" was that academically he was ready to go to kindergarten so we put him in school rather than have him "pg" an extra year when he was 4! (If only I had been aligned with one of the top travel programs who could have given me this recruiting advice back then)"

Is this sarcasm? Or would you really hold your academically ready for kindergarten kid back a year on the advice of a travel coach/director?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/02/15 03:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"My kid's "problem" was that academically he was ready to go to kindergarten so we put him in school rather than have him "pg" an extra year when he was 4! (If only I had been aligned with one of the top travel programs who could have given me this recruiting advice back then)"

Is this sarcasm? Or would you really hold your academically ready for kindergarten kid back a year on the advice of a travel coach/director?


I go to my kid's travel coach for financial AND marital advice too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/02/15 04:45 PM
sarcasm grin
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"My kid's "problem" was that academically he was ready to go to kindergarten so we put him in school rather than have him "pg" an extra year when he was 4! (If only I had been aligned with one of the top travel programs who could have given me this recruiting advice back then)"

Is this sarcasm? Or would you really hold your academically ready for kindergarten kid back a year on the advice of a travel coach/director?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/02/15 04:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
sarcasm grin
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"My kid's "problem" was that academically he was ready to go to kindergarten so we put him in school rather than have him "pg" an extra year when he was 4! (If only I had been aligned with one of the top travel programs who could have given me this recruiting advice back then)"

Is this sarcasm? Or would you really hold your academically ready for kindergarten kid back a year on the advice of a travel coach/director?


Ha!! It's a sad state of affairs in youth sports when I even had to ask
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/02/15 06:10 PM
No, it's a sad state of affairs where people actually do this.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
sarcasm grin
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"My kid's "problem" was that academically he was ready to go to kindergarten so we put him in school rather than have him "pg" an extra year when he was 4! (If only I had been aligned with one of the top travel programs who could have given me this recruiting advice back then)"

Is this sarcasm? Or would you really hold your academically ready for kindergarten kid back a year on the advice of a travel coach/director?


Ha!! It's a sad state of affairs in youth sports when I even had to ask
Posted By: Vicarious Re: Complaint Department - 09/02/15 08:25 PM
This forum is obviously 99% anonymous. Even with a handle, it is still anonymous, but having a handle adds credibility to the poster. I am not so much "complaining" about the anonymity as I am that the moderator(s) can see who is posting. Sometimes they chip in their 2 cents when someone is trashing one of their sponsors and points out "you are from jersey what do you care" or "you are the same person trashing said team, so you obviously have an issue". Make this website more transparent to everyone or just keep your moderator info to yourself. It is obvious there are a ton of shills on here promoting one team or trash talking a competitor's team. When everything is anonymous and moderators chip in at times, it makes me question the legitimacy of this site.
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Complaint Department - 09/02/15 08:30 PM
Originally Posted by Vicarious
This forum is obviously 99% anonymous. Even with a handle, it is still anonymous, but having a handle adds credibility to the poster. I am not so much "complaining" about the anonymity as I am that the moderator(s) can see who is posting. Sometimes they chip in their 2 cents when someone is trashing one of their sponsors and points out "you are from jersey what do you care" or "you are the same person trashing said team, so you obviously have an issue". Make this website more transparent to everyone or just keep your moderator info to yourself. It is obvious there are a ton of shills on here promoting one team or trash talking a competitor's team. When everything is anonymous and moderators chip in at times, it makes me question the legitimacy of this site.


Thank you for your totally unbiased opinion. I will feel free to offer mine as well. If you are not happy, feel free to stay away. You won't hurt our feelings.

I will say whatever the [lacrosse] I want, just as you do..
Posted By: America's Game Re: Complaint Department - 09/02/15 08:51 PM
Originally Posted by Vicarious
This forum is obviously 99% anonymous. Even with a handle, it is still anonymous, but having a handle adds credibility to the poster. I am not so much "complaining" about the anonymity as I am that the moderator(s) can see who is posting. Sometimes they chip in their 2 cents when someone is trashing one of their sponsors and points out "you are from jersey what do you care" or "you are the same person trashing said team, so you obviously have an issue". Make this website more transparent to everyone or just keep your moderator info to yourself. It is obvious there are a ton of shills on here promoting one team or trash talking a competitor's team. When everything is anonymous and moderators chip in at times, it makes me question the legitimacy of this site.


When you have a handle there is an email associated with that handle and the moderators can contact you directly. So if your going to go and bash someone its easy to just contact you. What do you want from us. We try and keep dialogue open and eliminate the mean spirited stuff. We also have done our best to monitor when there are people who ask questions and answer them. It happens all the time. We also have tried to eliminate the deceptive practices that some clubs have attempted and by doing so we have protected the consumer. There used to be a moderator who loved the drama and they are no longer affiliated with the site. They would allow for some real crappy stuff to be said. We wont tolerate it.
Posted By: TheBackOfTheCage Re: Complaint Department - 09/03/15 01:56 PM
Originally Posted by Vicarious
This forum is obviously 99% anonymous. Even with a handle, it is still anonymous, but having a handle adds credibility to the poster. I am not so much "complaining" about the anonymity as I am that the moderator(s) can see who is posting. Sometimes they chip in their 2 cents when someone is trashing one of their sponsors and points out "you are from jersey what do you care" or "you are the same person trashing said team, so you obviously have an issue". Make this website more transparent to everyone or just keep your moderator info to yourself. It is obvious there are a ton of shills on here promoting one team or trash talking a competitor's team. When everything is anonymous and moderators chip in at times, it makes me question the legitimacy of this site.


ATTENTION Vicarious: You are shouting orders to us like you own the place. You don't own this site, but I do, and nothing here is going to change. Deal with it or not. I trust that this post and the two above have clearly communicated to your anonymity exactly what our position is.

Since you are from Northport, I can't help but wonder how close you may be to one of the nastiest coaches and clubs on the Island, the Yellow Jackets and their Mistress, errr I mean coach, Carol Rose?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/03/15 02:07 PM
that included in the travel fee? or ala carte?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/04/15 01:18 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Vicarious
This forum is obviously 99% anonymous. Even with a handle, it is still anonymous, but having a handle adds credibility to the poster. I am not so much "complaining" about the anonymity as I am that the moderator(s) can see who is posting. Sometimes they chip in their 2 cents when someone is trashing one of their sponsors and points out "you are from jersey what do you care" or "you are the same person trashing said team, so you obviously have an issue". Make this website more transparent to everyone or just keep your moderator info to yourself. It is obvious there are a ton of shills on here promoting one team or trash talking a competitor's team. When everything is anonymous and moderators chip in at times, it makes me question the legitimacy of this site.


ATTENTION Vicarious: You are shouting orders to us like you own the place. You don't own this site, but I do, and nothing here is going to change. Deal with it or not. I trust that this post and the two above have clearly communicated to your anonymity exactly what our position is.

Since you are from Northport, I can't help but wonder how close you may be to one of the nastiest coaches and clubs on the Island, the Yellow Jackets and their Mistress, errr I mean coach, Carol Rose?


you start a complaint thread and then take it personally when people make complaints - my advice, don't start a "kiss my sister" thread
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/04/15 01:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Vicarious
This forum is obviously 99% anonymous. Even with a handle, it is still anonymous, but having a handle adds credibility to the poster. I am not so much "complaining" about the anonymity as I am that the moderator(s) can see who is posting. Sometimes they chip in their 2 cents when someone is trashing one of their sponsors and points out "you are from jersey what do you care" or "you are the same person trashing said team, so you obviously have an issue". Make this website more transparent to everyone or just keep your moderator info to yourself. It is obvious there are a ton of shills on here promoting one team or trash talking a competitor's team. When everything is anonymous and moderators chip in at times, it makes me question the legitimacy of this site.


ATTENTION Vicarious: You are shouting orders to us like you own the place. You don't own this site, but I do, and nothing here is going to change. Deal with it or not. I trust that this post and the two above have clearly communicated to your anonymity exactly what our position is.

Since you are from Northport, I can't help but wonder how close you may be to one of the nastiest coaches and clubs on the Island, the Yellow Jackets and their Mistress, errr I mean coach, Carol Rose?


you start a complaint thread and then take it personally when people make complaints - my advice, don't start a "kiss my sister" thread


I'm guessing the intent of this thread is not to serve as a forum to complain to the site owners about their site. Suggesting changes is one thing, being a jerk about it is another.
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Complaint Department - 09/04/15 02:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Vicarious
This forum is obviously 99% anonymous. Even with a handle, it is still anonymous, but having a handle adds credibility to the poster. I am not so much "complaining" about the anonymity as I am that the moderator(s) can see who is posting. Sometimes they chip in their 2 cents when someone is trashing one of their sponsors and points out "you are from jersey what do you care" or "you are the same person trashing said team, so you obviously have an issue". Make this website more transparent to everyone or just keep your moderator info to yourself. It is obvious there are a ton of shills on here promoting one team or trash talking a competitor's team. When everything is anonymous and moderators chip in at times, it makes me question the legitimacy of this site.


ATTENTION Vicarious: You are shouting orders to us like you own the place. You don't own this site, but I do, and nothing here is going to change. Deal with it or not. I trust that this post and the two above have clearly communicated to your anonymity exactly what our position is.

Since you are from Northport, I can't help but wonder how close you may be to one of the nastiest coaches and clubs on the Island, the Yellow Jackets and their Mistress, errr I mean coach, Carol Rose?


you start a complaint thread and then take it personally when people make complaints - my advice, don't start a "kiss my sister" thread


I'm guessing the intent of this thread is not to serve as a forum to complain to the site owners about their site. Suggesting changes is one thing, being a jerk about it is another.


Thank you and you are so correct. We seem to have an over abundance of those in here.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/04/15 05:04 PM
Everyone is thinking division 1.Ivy league, top notch schools, etc. Anyone think Division III NESCAC schools? Williams,Amherst. Tufts,etc? It is a very competitive league and educationally as good and difficult to gain entrance as the Ivy's. Your kid gets a top notch education and the contacts to boot. They don't have to live eat sleep lacrosse. Just have fun!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/04/15 05:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone is thinking division 1.Ivy league, top notch schools, etc. Anyone think Division III NESCAC schools? Williams,Amherst. Tufts,etc? It is a very competitive league and educationally as good and difficult to gain entrance as the Ivy's. Your kid gets a top notch education and the contacts to boot. They don't have to live eat sleep lacrosse. Just have fun!


Huge NESCAC fan. Great post. Great academic and athletic opportunities.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/04/15 05:43 PM
Or Patriot league
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/04/15 06:03 PM
I agree, great point. Its the parents , not the kids. Dad wants to brag to his friends, that his kid has a scholarship to duke or virginia. Meanwhile the scholarship pays 1/8 of his tuition, but he leaves that part out to his friends. Some of the D3 schools are incredible. Academically sound and kid gets to play and have a great college expierience.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/04/15 06:43 PM
Yeah but parents need to be a little on the wealthy side to attend those schools. No money in div 3.
Posted By: America's Game Re: Complaint Department - 09/04/15 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah but parents need to be a little on the wealthy side to attend those schools. No money in div 3.


I think people need to realize that the money being offered in D1 is also very little. 12.6 Scholarships per team. Most teams have at least 30-35 players some as many as 40-45. Good grades can get you more money than lacrosse. Combine a great lacrosse player with great grades and that's a nice combo and something coaches love because they can give you less of their money and get you more from the school.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/04/15 07:42 PM
how about a technical school, Stevens MIT or even RPI. all good schools and guess what you will get when you graduate.. a J O B.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/05/15 03:01 AM
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah but parents need to be a little on the wealthy side to attend those schools. No money in div 3.


I think people need to realize that the money being offered in D1 is also very little. 12.6 Scholarships per team. Most teams have at least 30-35 players some as many as 40-45. Good grades can get you more money than lacrosse. Combine a great lacrosse player with great grades and that's a nice combo and something coaches love because they can give you less of their money and get you more from the school.


Uh oh...you better run and hide. You make entirely too much sense to be on this forum. All the mouth breathers with D1 full ride 9 year old sons will attack you now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/08/15 12:30 PM
how bout it's football season and everyone just give it a rest till lacrosse starts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/08/15 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah but parents need to be a little on the wealthy side to attend those schools. No money in div 3.


I think people need to realize that the money being offered in D1 is also very little. 12.6 Scholarships per team. Most teams have at least 30-35 players some as many as 40-45. Good grades can get you more money than lacrosse. Combine a great lacrosse player with great grades and that's a nice combo and something coaches love because they can give you less of their money and get you more from the school.


Uh oh...you better run and hide. You make entirely too much sense to be on this forum. All the mouth breathers with D1 full ride 9 year old sons will attack you now.


HOW DARE YOU, my 5 month old daughter is already getting looked at by Duke. I'd sent in her birth video and the video of her first baby food meal... they ARE interested and mentioned 'not worrying about money'
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/08/15 04:28 PM
NCAA recruiting rules differ by division. Division I and Division II schools are able to offer athletic scholarships. Division III schools can only award academic scholarships and need-based financial aid.

Division III coaches are permitted to contact athletes earlier than Division I and Division II coaches. After your junior year, a Division III coach is allowed to have an unlimited amount of contact with you and your parents away from his or her college campus. D-III coaches are also permitted to send printed materials and make calls any time before your junior year. However, you are only allowed one official visit beginning your senior year. You may take as many unofficial visits as you want.

Remember that unofficial visits are on you expense-wise. Coaches may not provide you with any form of monetary benefit. They can't even buy you lunch or a snack in the cafeteria
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/08/15 05:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
how bout it's football season and everyone just give it a rest till lacrosse starts.


Did you really come on a lacrosse forum to complain about people talking about lacrosse, you must really get pissed when retail stores have Chritmas decorations up before Thankgiving. oh and by the way, it is always lacrosse season, summer club teams tryouts have already concluded and club team practices are all ready started, HS parents are already getting their checkbooks out and Farmingdale fall league starts next weekend. J E T S suck suck suck
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/08/15 07:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah but parents need to be a little on the wealthy side to attend those schools. No money in div 3.


I think people need to realize that the money being offered in D1 is also very little. 12.6 Scholarships per team. Most teams have at least 30-35 players some as many as 40-45. Good grades can get you more money than lacrosse. Combine a great lacrosse player with great grades and that's a nice combo and something coaches love because they can give you less of their money and get you more from the school.


Uh oh...you better run and hide. You make entirely too much sense to be on this forum. All the mouth breathers with D1 full ride 9 year old sons will attack you now.


HOW DARE YOU, my 5 month old daughter is already getting looked at by Duke. I'd sent in her birth video and the video of her first baby food meal... they ARE interested and mentioned 'not worrying about money'


Better start some private lessons asap...Ty has here down on the recruiting chart! Sorry at this time she is DIII material. Might want to also consider not letting her start 1st grade until she is 15... She put her right up there with the rest of holdbacks and get a shout out from Ty.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/10/15 01:31 AM
The nerve of some people or organizations. I just saw a post where some think the parents are selfish or unscrupulous. Why because they want to do the best for their children.


Some teams and even different organization, regardless of age group since this issue crosses over many age groups. Really need to look in the mirror.

TAKE CARE OF WHO YOU HAVE SO THEY DO NOT NEED TO LOOK FOR ANTHOER OPTION. IF YOU DONT DO THAT, DONT [lacrosse] AND TALK ABOUT THEM WHEN THEY LEAVE AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. ITS LIKE BLAMING SOMEONE ELESE FOR SOMETHING YOU DID.

IF A GROUP OF KIDS LEAVE A TEAM, IT IS NOT BECAUSE 1 OR 2 KIDS/FAMILIES RECRUITED THEM. IT IS USUALLY BECAUSE THE WISEN UP; BEING LIED TO OR UNKEPT PROMISES OF THE DIRECTION OF TEAM BY THE COACH OR THE ORGANIZATION CATCHES UP TO YOU WHEN YOU DONT DELIVER.

Posted By: strongARM Re: Complaint Department - 09/10/15 11:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The nerve of some people or organizations. I just saw a post where some think the parents are selfish or unscrupulous. Why because they want to do the best for their children.


Some teams and even different organization, regardless of age group since this issue crosses over many age groups. Really need to look in the mirror.

TAKE CARE OF WHO YOU HAVE SO THEY DO NOT NEED TO LOOK FOR ANTHOER OPTION. IF YOU DONT DO THAT, DONT [lacrosse] AND TALK ABOUT THEM WHEN THEY LEAVE AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. ITS LIKE BLAMING SOMEONE ELESE FOR SOMETHING YOU DID.

IF A GROUP OF KIDS LEAVE A TEAM, IT IS NOT BECAUSE 1 OR 2 KIDS/FAMILIES RECRUITED THEM. IT IS USUALLY BECAUSE THE WISEN UP; BEING LIED TO OR UNKEPT PROMISES OF THE DIRECTION OF TEAM BY THE COACH OR THE ORGANIZATION CATCHES UP TO YOU WHEN YOU DONT DELIVER.



A regular Bill Shakespeare here....
Posted By: strongARM Re: Complaint Department - 09/10/15 11:49 AM
Seriously though, every comment on these boards has to be looked at through the proper glasses.... Parents are often speaking out of pride, but more hopefully for the protection/betterment of their kids; team trolls are often speaking on behalf of their coffers, but more hopefully out of care for the team's success.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/10/15 03:49 PM
Excellent post
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/13/15 10:28 PM
Three Village Lacrosse is a joke and the board is nothing but a self serving group of men who wheel and deal to make it work for their own kids. What happened to one town one team gentlemen. Kids are leaving in droves and I don't blame them!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/15 12:57 AM
There are coaches of some 3 Villages teams that have no business being involved in youth sports. Punks teaching kids how to play like punks. I guess when adults achieve no success in their life, the success of the youth lacrosse team takes on transcendental significance. Coach, nothing wrong with wearing flouresent T-shirts to work!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/15 02:04 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The nerve of some people or organizations. I just saw a post where some think the parents are selfish or unscrupulous. Why because they want to do the best for their children.


Some teams and even different organization, regardless of age group since this issue crosses over many age groups. Really need to look in the mirror.

TAKE CARE OF WHO YOU HAVE SO THEY DO NOT NEED TO LOOK FOR ANTHOER OPTION. IF YOU DONT DO THAT, DONT [lacrosse] AND TALK ABOUT THEM WHEN THEY LEAVE AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. ITS LIKE BLAMING SOMEONE ELESE FOR SOMETHING YOU DID.

IF A GROUP OF KIDS LEAVE A TEAM, IT IS NOT BECAUSE 1 OR 2 KIDS/FAMILIES RECRUITED THEM. IT IS USUALLY BECAUSE THE WISEN UP; BEING LIED TO OR UNKEPT PROMISES OF THE DIRECTION OF TEAM BY THE COACH OR THE ORGANIZATION CATCHES UP TO YOU WHEN YOU DONT DELIVER.



Maybe. Not the case here , but can understand why someone from outside may think that. What would you call a person who has no intention of going to a team , that spends two days at a tryout , speaking to one parent at a time trying to talk them into leaving? I have a few ideas. Everyone respects doing what is best for your kids. The behavior here unfortunately , was disgraceful and not in best interest Of the who wanted to play on this team because they were happy with the club , team and coach. Their was no regard for them. Then the same parents approach what's left of team when options are limited. Wasn't a realistic financial option for all the boys. Those unscrupulous , selfish parents didn't think about that!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/15 11:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The nerve of some people or organizations. I just saw a post where some think the parents are selfish or unscrupulous. Why because they want to do the best for their children.


Some teams and even different organization, regardless of age group since this issue crosses over many age groups. Really need to look in the mirror.

TAKE CARE OF WHO YOU HAVE SO THEY DO NOT NEED TO LOOK FOR ANTHOER OPTION. IF YOU DONT DO THAT, DONT [lacrosse] AND TALK ABOUT THEM WHEN THEY LEAVE AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. ITS LIKE BLAMING SOMEONE ELESE FOR SOMETHING YOU DID.

IF A GROUP OF KIDS LEAVE A TEAM, IT IS NOT BECAUSE 1 OR 2 KIDS/FAMILIES RECRUITED THEM. IT IS USUALLY BECAUSE THE WISEN UP; BEING LIED TO OR UNKEPT PROMISES OF THE DIRECTION OF TEAM BY THE COACH OR THE ORGANIZATION CATCHES UP TO YOU WHEN YOU DONT DELIVER.



Maybe. Not the case here , but can understand why someone from outside may think that. What would you call a person who has no intention of going to a team , that spends two days at a tryout , speaking to one parent at a time trying to talk them into leaving? I have a few ideas. Everyone respects doing what is best for your kids. The behavior here unfortunately , was disgraceful and not in best interest Of the who wanted to play on this team because they were happy with the club , team and coach. Their was no regard for them. Then the same parents approach what's left of team when options are limited. Wasn't a realistic financial option for all the boys. Those unscrupulous , selfish parents didn't think about that!!



everything boils down to loyalty. there will always be the parents looking for the what's perceived as being bigger and better. yes look out for your kid but stop being disruptive and go on your merry way. it's beyond childish what some of these parents are doing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/15 04:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone is thinking division 1.Ivy league, top notch schools, etc. Anyone think Division III NESCAC schools? Williams,Amherst. Tufts,etc? It is a very competitive league and educationally as good and difficult to gain entrance as the Ivy's. Your kid gets a top notch education and the contacts to boot. They don't have to live eat sleep lacrosse. Just have fun!


Excellent academic schools in NESCAC as well as a few other DIII conferences. Would be happy for my son to attend any of them but please understand that there is still a significant time commitment to the lacrosse team at these institutions as well. they don't get to "Just have fun".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/15 04:53 PM
Yes there is a significant commitment but nothing like D1. They do hold fall practices and they do lift but it isn't at 6am before class with a strength coach. The kids work hard because they want to be better. In D1 you are owned by the program. There is no missing anything for any reason. It can be a job. Which is fine if you are an instant starter. Everyone there was a STAR in high school and most kids have to work their way onto the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/15 07:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes there is a significant commitment but nothing like D1. They do hold fall practices and they do lift but it isn't at 6am before class with a strength coach. The kids work hard because they want to be better. In D1 you are owned by the program. There is no missing anything for any reason. It can be a job. Which is fine if you are an instant starter. Everyone there was a STAR in high school and most kids have to work their way onto the field.


I am not sure everyone is thinking D1 is the only avenue. I know plenty of players who are well aware of those New England schools. I believe the players and families of serious HS players understand they have more time to be considered for those. It goes in stages.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/15 08:19 PM
Not everyone but a large majority on here think that their boy is the next Rabil. While many may be great players,there are a lot of great players. I know some great HS players who scored 50-60 goals a year. When they got to D1 they were average first line middies after a year or two on the bench. One was strictly a defensive midfielder although a very good one. They went to great academic schools .Which it should be about.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/15 09:11 PM
Anyone else seeing a fall off in PAL enrollment numbers in Nassau? Seems like a few big programs and everyone else has given up. That's what happens when coaches don't pass the ball around at the younger ages.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/16/15 01:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The nerve of some people or organizations. I just saw a post where some think the parents are selfish or unscrupulous. Why because they want to do the best for their children.


Some teams and even different organization, regardless of age group since this issue crosses over many age groups. Really need to look in the mirror.

TAKE CARE OF WHO YOU HAVE SO THEY DO NOT NEED TO LOOK FOR ANTHOER OPTION. IF YOU DONT DO THAT, DONT [lacrosse] AND TALK ABOUT THEM WHEN THEY LEAVE AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. ITS LIKE BLAMING SOMEONE ELESE FOR SOMETHING YOU DID.

IF A GROUP OF KIDS LEAVE A TEAM, IT IS NOT BECAUSE 1 OR 2 KIDS/FAMILIES RECRUITED THEM. IT IS USUALLY BECAUSE THE WISEN UP; BEING LIED TO OR UNKEPT PROMISES OF THE DIRECTION OF TEAM BY THE COACH OR THE ORGANIZATION CATCHES UP TO YOU WHEN YOU DONT DELIVER.


Do you have a SPECIFIC gripe or just like spouting off in caps? Does it make you feel better about your poor behavior. If unhappy somewhere , move on and do what's best for your kid. Who would spend a full weekend trying to sabatosh a 6th grade lacrosse team and the poor kids left standing ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/16/15 12:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone else seeing a fall off in PAL enrollment numbers in Nassau? Seems like a few big programs and everyone else has given up. That's what happens when coaches don't pass the ball around at the younger ages.
In the current environment everyone thinks they are going to give an early verbal in 8th grade which means the process of squeezing kids out has really ramped up. In the old days everyone made it through the PAL years with no issues now kids are getting pushed out in 3rd or 4th grade by coaches not forcing kids to share the ball around.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/16/15 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you have a SPECIFIC gripe or just like spouting off in caps? Does it make you feel better about your poor behavior. If unhappy somewhere , move on and do what's best for your kid. Who would spend a full weekend trying to sabatosh a 6th grade lacrosse team and the poor kids left standing ?

This may be actually be my favorite post. The above guy is griping about someone else's griping not being specific enough for him.
I was going to gripe about guys griping about other peoples gripes until I realized that if I did that I would actually be griping about gripes so I stopped myself. WHEW!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/16/15 12:47 PM
just think about how many times you hear a coach yell during a game "go to goal so & so"..that tells you all you need to know about PAL coaches...usually its the coaches son/daughter doing the yelling too....other kids figure why bother..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/16/15 02:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
just think about how many times you hear a coach yell during a game "go to goal so & so"..that tells you all you need to know about PAL coaches...usually its the coaches son/daughter doing the yelling too....other kids figure why bother..


I have a gripe with the parents that are constantly criticizing PAL coaches. It's a thankless job. Nobody steps up to volunteer but then everyone comes out of the woodwork and bashes the coach. I'm sorry but if the coach's kid is one of the better players, then he/she is going to play more. Maybe learn how to play the game and coach it yourselves next time around
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/16/15 03:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
just think about how many times you hear a coach yell during a game "go to goal so & so"..that tells you all you need to know about PAL coaches...usually its the coaches son/daughter doing the yelling too....other kids figure why bother..


I have a gripe with the parents that are constantly criticizing PAL coaches. It's a thankless job. Nobody steps up to volunteer but then everyone comes out of the woodwork and bashes the coach. I'm sorry but if the coach's kid is one of the better players, then he/she is going to play more. Maybe learn how to play the game and coach it yourselves next time around


I agree. It bothers me how the term "daddy coach" is used disparagingly around here. Step up and coach, show the "daddy coaches" how it's done. You're already "coaching" from the sidelines anyway. Seems like the sidelines are filled with armchair coaches who are good at criticizing but incapable of taking action.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/16/15 03:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three Village Lacrosse is a joke and the board is nothing but a self serving group of men who wheel and deal to make it work for their own kids. What happened to one town one team gentlemen. Kids are leaving in droves and I don't blame them!
Same guy who bashed 2024 for leaving because they refused to be strong armed now put his son on a club team. 2 sets of rules.
Posted By: strongARM Re: Complaint Department - 09/16/15 03:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
just think about how many times you hear a coach yell during a game "go to goal so & so"..that tells you all you need to know about PAL coaches...usually its the coaches son/daughter doing the yelling too....other kids figure why bother..


I have a gripe with the parents that are constantly criticizing PAL coaches. It's a thankless job. Nobody steps up to volunteer but then everyone comes out of the woodwork and bashes the coach. I'm sorry but if the coach's kid is one of the better players, then he/she is going to play more. Maybe learn how to play the game and coach it yourselves next time around


I agree. It bothers me how the term "daddy coach" is used disparagingly around here. Step up and coach, show the "daddy coaches" how it's done. You're already "coaching" from the sidelines anyway. Seems like the sidelines are filled with armchair coaches who are good at criticizing but incapable of taking action.



Yeah- Frankly, even if their kid plays more than they should, they are spending their free time for a thankless/blame-laden job. If their kid gets some extra minutes of field time- fine with me.

The fact that PAL teams are dwindling isn't a good thing at all by the way regardless of the reasons for it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/16/15 03:40 PM
Originally Posted by strongARM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
just think about how many times you hear a coach yell during a game "go to goal so & so"..that tells you all you need to know about PAL coaches...usually its the coaches son/daughter doing the yelling too....other kids figure why bother..


I have a gripe with the parents that are constantly criticizing PAL coaches. It's a thankless job. Nobody steps up to volunteer but then everyone comes out of the woodwork and bashes the coach. I'm sorry but if the coach's kid is one of the better players, then he/she is going to play more. Maybe learn how to play the game and coach it yourselves next time around


I agree. It bothers me how the term "daddy coach" is used disparagingly around here. Step up and coach, show the "daddy coaches" how it's done. You're already "coaching" from the sidelines anyway. Seems like the sidelines are filled with armchair coaches who are good at criticizing but incapable of taking action.



Yeah- Frankly, even if their kid plays more than they should, they are spending their free time for a thankless/blame-laden job. If their kid gets some extra minutes of field time- fine with me.

The fact that PAL teams are dwindling isn't a good thing at all by the way regardless of the reasons for it.


good points as many club teams have coaches with kids on the team. 10 years ago a town travel team might have been an extra $100. Now it's $1500-$3000 or more for essentially the same thing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/16/15 04:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you have a SPECIFIC gripe or just like spouting off in caps? Does it make you feel better about your poor behavior. If unhappy somewhere , move on and do what's best for your kid. Who would spend a full weekend trying to sabatosh a 6th grade lacrosse team and the poor kids left standing ?

This may be actually be my favorite post. The above guy is griping about someone else's griping not being specific enough for him.
I was going to gripe about guys griping about other peoples gripes until I realized that if I did that I would actually be griping about gripes so I stopped myself. WHEW!!!!


You mean to say, you ALMOST stopped yourself!!


And yes, if you take the time to complain, complain about something specific. That's what I just did!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/16/15 05:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by strongARM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
just think about how many times you hear a coach yell during a game "go to goal so & so"..that tells you all you need to know about PAL coaches...usually its the coaches son/daughter doing the yelling too....other kids figure why bother..


I have a gripe with the parents that are constantly criticizing PAL coaches. It's a thankless job. Nobody steps up to volunteer but then everyone comes out of the woodwork and bashes the coach. I'm sorry but if the coach's kid is one of the better players, then he/she is going to play more. Maybe learn how to play the game and coach it yourselves next time around


I agree. It bothers me how the term "daddy coach" is used disparagingly around here. Step up and coach, show the "daddy coaches" how it's done. You're already "coaching" from the sidelines anyway. Seems like the sidelines are filled with armchair coaches who are good at criticizing but incapable of taking action.



Yeah- Frankly, even if their kid plays more than they should, they are spending their free time for a thankless/blame-laden job. If their kid gets some extra minutes of field time- fine with me.

The fact that PAL teams are dwindling isn't a good thing at all by the way regardless of the reasons for it.


good points as many club teams have coaches with kids on the team. 10 years ago a town travel team might have been an extra $100. Now it's $1500-$3000 or more for essentially the same thing


It is clearly not the same thing. Expensive yes, essentially the same as PAL - no way Jose.
Posted By: Gg1j18 Re: Complaint Department - 09/16/15 06:00 PM
Suffolk County PAL Football Mission Statement program is to provide a safe and caring environment for as many children as possible to play organized tackle football. The PAL Football Board of Directors will ensure that all children are protected and treated with respect and dignity by their respective organizations and coaches.

I'm sure lacrosse can't be any different
Any coach discouraging a 3rd grade kid
Should be removed from the organization immediatly
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/16/15 06:21 PM
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Suffolk County PAL Football Mission Statement program is to provide a safe and caring environment for as many children as possible to play organized tackle football. The PAL Football Board of Directors will ensure that all children are protected and treated with respect and dignity by their respective organizations and coaches.

I'm sure lacrosse can't be any different
Any coach discouraging a 3rd grade kid
Should be removed from the organization immediatly


Spot on. I have tons of respect for daddy coaches volunteering to coach lacrosse but don't lecture us on stepping up. If you are coaching, do the right thing and teach the kids the right way to play a Team Sport - pass the ball around. For those "go to goal guys" you are doing 95% of your team a disservice.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/16/15 07:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Suffolk County PAL Football Mission Statement program is to provide a safe and caring environment for as many children as possible to play organized tackle football. The PAL Football Board of Directors will ensure that all children are protected and treated with respect and dignity by their respective organizations and coaches.

I'm sure lacrosse can't be any different
Any coach discouraging a 3rd grade kid
Should be removed from the organization immediatly


Spot on. I have tons of respect for daddy coaches volunteering to coach lacrosse but don't lecture us on stepping up. If you are coaching, do the right thing and teach the kids the right way to play a Team Sport - pass the ball around. For those "go to goal guys" you are doing 95% of your team a disservice.


I was the guy who made the comment about hearing how the term daddy coach is used around here. I'm not saying people never have a basis for complaint. At the same time though some parents just nitpick at everything.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/16/15 08:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Suffolk County PAL Football Mission Statement program is to provide a safe and caring environment for as many children as possible to play organized tackle football. The PAL Football Board of Directors will ensure that all children are protected and treated with respect and dignity by their respective organizations and coaches.

I'm sure lacrosse can't be any different
Any coach discouraging a 3rd grade kid
Should be removed from the organization immediatly


Spot on. I have tons of respect for daddy coaches volunteering to coach lacrosse but don't lecture us on stepping up. If you are coaching, do the right thing and teach the kids the right way to play a Team Sport - pass the ball around. For those "go to goal guys" you are doing 95% of your team a disservice.


I was the guy who made the comment about hearing how the term daddy coach is used around here. I'm not saying people never have a basis for complaint. At the same time though some parents just nitpick at everything.
So you sound like you get it, the daddies that don't are winning 15-4 with only 3 kids scoring all game and usually one of the scorers is their kid. Unfortunately modern day lacrosse craves stat padding and it is ruining the game at a very young age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/16/15 09:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Suffolk County PAL Football Mission Statement program is to provide a safe and caring environment for as many children as possible to play organized tackle football. The PAL Football Board of Directors will ensure that all children are protected and treated with respect and dignity by their respective organizations and coaches.

I'm sure lacrosse can't be any different
Any coach discouraging a 3rd grade kid
Should be removed from the organization immediatly


Spot on. I have tons of respect for daddy coaches volunteering to coach lacrosse but don't lecture us on stepping up. If you are coaching, do the right thing and teach the kids the right way to play a Team Sport - pass the ball around. For those "go to goal guys" you are doing 95% of your team a disservice.


I was the guy who made the comment about hearing how the term daddy coach is used around here. I'm not saying people never have a basis for complaint. At the same time though some parents just nitpick at everything.
So you sound like you get it, the daddies that don't are winning 15-4 with only 3 kids scoring all game and usually one of the scorers is their kid. Unfortunately modern day lacrosse craves stat padding and it is ruining the game at a very young age.


People who coach like that are D-bags, dad coach or not. Especially at the younger ages where there isn't as much at stake as the older kids
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/18/15 01:38 PM
Three Village a joke? Their 2023 & 2022 teams were some of the best and well coached in the age group last season, club or PAL. Regarding the board, I believe they are truly trying to do what's best for Ward Melville. I would agree that the board member you are referring was a self serving a.., but the board did the right thing and asked him to step down and when he asked if his son could play for both 3v and the club team the board said no....upholding their decision to not let the "A" team kids play out. From what I have seen, BK is one of the best guys around the game and most of the board members are just trying to do what's best for WM.

With that said, its a shame to see what 3v parents are doing to the league. The disgruntled 2024 parents/ coaches are as self serving as the 3v board member. These same guys could have helped developed kids within the 3v program that would have ultimately feed WMHS, but instead choose to be self serving and created High Voltage, which is a " hybrid" team of the better 3v kids and a few kids from other towns so their own kids could play out and get a scholarship out of third grade!?!?

Who's the joke?

Three Village has it right for the most part....Most towns wish they had what we have...stop being a hater and get a clue.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/18/15 02:37 PM
3v was a great program and like many other programs in any sport, they are losing out to club sports. And there are great board members and coaches, and some that are truly pursuing a personal agenda. 3v gets a lot of heat because they took a hard position on club ball by drawing a line in the sand and saying "if you play for us, you don't play club, we are 3v and we do it better than any club team out there, you don't need to go anywhere". As the father of a 3v player who was given the opportunity to play with one of the top club programs (we chose to go), I can tell you that the top club programs prepare you child to play at the next level light years ahead of a town-based program. Its not just the level of opponents, its also the depth and everyday talent your kid will have to face in practice that makes the biggest difference. 3v is far from a joke, but their unwillingness to seek an amicable solution with the parents whose kids wanted to play high level travel ball (Im trying to be politically correct), was not right. There are so many talented kids in that program and so many great local tournaments in the Spring, that this could have been worked out and the boys that wanted to play club could have done so after the spring pal season and some local tourneys. But everybody got their backs up and said "good go, we don't need you". Well, if we had it to do over again, we would probably take a different approach I venture to guess. In our particular case the board talked parents into staying with promises that were not delivered upon. I don't think they intended to deceive, but people put their faith in them because they were the 3v board, and therefore had to know better than a few parents who felt we were slipping behind due to the top club programs. Pride, stubbornness and a lack of communication and willingness to understand the other guy's side of the issue are what caused the demise of my son's age group (no I wont say it). And all of the sniping, back stabbing and misrepresentation about what people actually said didn't help. So now you have a bunch of parents who pretend to like each other when they seek each other at school games -It should have never have come to this, its silly. Club ball is not for everyone, I know, but it works fine for some. the 3v board needs to get with the times (whether what is happening is good for the sport overall or not) and try to work through this 3v vs. club issue before its too late. Call me an eternal optimist, but there has to be an amicable solution to this - it really is not a very complex problem on the grand scheme of things- right? Go Patriots!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three Village a joke? Their 2023 & 2022 teams were some of the best and well coached in the age group last season, club or PAL. Regarding the board, I believe they are truly trying to do what's best for Ward Melville. I would agree that the board member you are referring was a self serving a.., but the board did the right thing and asked him to step down and when he asked if his son could play for both 3v and the club team the board said no....upholding their decision to not let the "A" team kids play out. From what I have seen, BK is one of the best guys around the game and most of the board members are just trying to do what's best for WM.

With that said, its a shame to see what 3v parents are doing to the league. The disgruntled 2024 parents/ coaches are as self serving as the 3v board member. These same guys could have helped developed kids within the 3v program that would have ultimately feed WMHS, but instead choose to be self serving and created High Voltage, which is a " hybrid" team of the better 3v kids and a few kids from other towns so their own kids could play out and get a scholarship out of third grade!?!?

Who's the joke?

Three Village has it right for the most part....Most towns wish they had what we have...stop being a hater and get a clue.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/18/15 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three Village a joke? Their 2023 & 2022 teams were some of the best and well coached in the age group last season, club or PAL. Regarding the board, I believe they are truly trying to do what's best for Ward Melville. I would agree that the board member you are referring was a self serving a.., but the board did the right thing and asked him to step down and when he asked if his son could play for both 3v and the club team the board said no....upholding their decision to not let the "A" team kids play out. From what I have seen, BK is one of the best guys around the game and most of the board members are just trying to do what's best for WM.

With that said, its a shame to see what 3v parents are doing to the league. The disgruntled 2024 parents/ coaches are as self serving as the 3v board member. These same guys could have helped developed kids within the 3v program that would have ultimately feed WMHS, but instead choose to be self serving and created High Voltage, which is a " hybrid" team of the better 3v kids and a few kids from other towns so their own kids could play out and get a scholarship out of third grade!?!?

Who's the joke?

Three Village has it right for the most part....Most towns wish they had what we have...stop being a hater and get a clue.


Last I checked, just because a kid plays for a club team doesn't mean that they aren't going to play for their high school.

The coaching staff of High Voltage and 2024 parents are all good people who have the best interests of their children at heart. High Voltage has not once come out and talked poorly of the Three Village program to it's parents or players. In fact, we urged our parents to go to their meeting and then make an informed decision on what would be a better fit for their child. Most, if not all, 2024 parents chose to come to High Voltage and that alone speaks volumes about the current state of the Three Village Lacrosse league.

High Voltage finished it's summer campaign by winning the LI Lax Clash 3rd Grade A Bracket and went undefeated at Greenport vs. ESM, Bayport, and Sachem. They also won the Blatant Indoor Winter League Championship for 3rd grade. The coaches must be doing something right.

The bottom line is this: if Three Village lacrosse was providing what our parents and children expected of a youth program, our kids would still be playing there. Their policy of not being allowed to play on a club team and a Three Village A Travel team has destroyed the league. Especially, when this rule is "selectively" enforced to allow current and past board members to do both but not the general membership. They also choose to MANDATE that in addition to your travel practice and weekly game that your child has to have ANOTHER IN-HOUSE practice AND IN-HOUSE GAME. 4 days of lacrosse.

As far as kids getting scholarships in 3rd grade...stop. It's all just cheap shots because our team has experienced the success that your league could not provide for our kids.

The landscape of the lacrosse world has changed. It's as simple as the concept of natural selection: Evolve with the times or die...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/18/15 03:12 PM
time will tell what happens, the next few years will be the litmus test on the in-house travel verses club travel will be.

3v for all my years didn't want any players to go out of town. Shame they had some of the best and I think that it drew a divide amongst them, lets see how they do while together under one roof in HS, SW didn't what kids to go outside either, but who cares, now they are on board with a club. SE not to sure, they had plenty of travel underclassmen on varsity LY. So I guess it worked

Will the new wave of strengthening the Schools program be with Clubs the HS coach is involved with. Allowing the players to have levels to play at is great (clubs have a b and even c for younger) why, because we all know there are different levels of play (A players and B/B+ players) that make a varsity program work, not all players are A (sorry AA) players. But All levels get better playing at or above their level... a component a club is better to deal with than district. I think this will be the next new wave. (More expensive but new)

... and if the parents are smart, they will do what is best for their child not a program or damn town director or brd...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/18/15 04:52 PM
Everyone is trying to hang onto players for dear life since every sport is year round. Our LAx PAL is crumbling because they wont play nice with baseball softball and soccer. We don't even field teams in every age group which is a travesty.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/18/15 05:02 PM
Some of the best 3V 2020 kids inclung a goalie left this year for Legacy
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/18/15 05:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The nerve of some people or organizations. I just saw a post where some think the parents are selfish or unscrupulous. Why because they want to do the best for their children.


Some teams and even different organization, regardless of age group since this issue crosses over many age groups. Really need to look in the mirror.

TAKE CARE OF WHO YOU HAVE SO THEY DO NOT NEED TO LOOK FOR ANTHOER OPTION. IF YOU DONT DO THAT, DONT [lacrosse] AND TALK ABOUT THEM WHEN THEY LEAVE AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. ITS LIKE BLAMING SOMEONE ELESE FOR SOMETHING YOU DID.

IF A GROUP OF KIDS LEAVE A TEAM, IT IS NOT BECAUSE 1 OR 2 KIDS/FAMILIES RECRUITED THEM. IT IS USUALLY BECAUSE THE WISEN UP; BEING LIED TO OR UNKEPT PROMISES OF THE DIRECTION OF TEAM BY THE COACH OR THE ORGANIZATION CATCHES UP TO YOU WHEN YOU DONT DELIVER.



Maybe. Not the case here , but can understand why someone from outside may think that. What would you call a person who has no intention of going to a team , that spends two days at a tryout , speaking to one parent at a time trying to talk them into leaving? I have a few ideas. Everyone respects doing what is best for your kids. The behavior here unfortunately , was disgraceful and not in best interest Of the who wanted to play on this team because they were happy with the club , team and coach. Their was no regard for them. Then the same parents approach what's left of team when options are limited. Wasn't a realistic financial option for all the boys. Those unscrupulous , selfish parents didn't think about that!!


I call it genius...
Posted By: America's Game Re: Complaint Department - 09/18/15 07:01 PM
People you do understand that some of the best teams in their age groups were put together by full recruitment and defection from other programs. Its a common occurrence. Just based on the success of the teams I am sure the players and parents are happy they left their original programs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/18/15 07:05 PM
I never said the parents or coaches of high voltage were bad people or bad coaches, I just said they were self serving. As you emphasize in you first few sentences, "the best interest of their children".

I am not a board member, but have been a supporter of Three Village and Ward Melville for a long time. I have had sons come thru the program and two of them went on to play D1. Not that this makes me an expert, but you don't see value for WMHS in keeping the kids together?

I have never seen your team play, but it's a bit disturbing that you define your coaching ability by the wins you listed. Anybody that takes the better 3V kids and sprinkles in a few other good kids from other towns should win his fare share of games at that level. I am not implying that you have bad coaches, just stating an obvious point. My question would be are you developing any kids that are raw athletes that could be future studs for WMHS?

I do know a few of the individuals on the board and believe that the board has interests of helping WMHS be successful, not just their own kid. I am sure there are bad apples on the board and things have happened in the past that were not fair. You will see this in any youth organization, and especially as you run the gauntlet of club organizations. But their policy of not to play out, and recent enforcement of this policy on an actual board members son, who by the way may be the best goalie on LI in his age group and developed within the 3V program, says a lot.

And by the way.....this is not the first time this has happened. In the recent past, when the club teams were truly elite teams and not watered down cash checking machines, coach Cuozzo, then Hoppy to a lesser extent, got involved and kept the kids together.

Case in point, the '13 team had quite a few kids that could have played on some of the best club teams at that time, but they stuck together and it seemed to work out for all.

The landscape of lacrosse is changing, and fear, the me-me-me generation, and greed are killing the youth organizations that provide the opportunity for kids to develop and learn the game.

While you guys running High Voltage maybe well intentioned good guys. It does appear that you solely have the best interest of your kid at heart and not the greater 3V lacrosse community.

FYI - Some of the best times my boys had was playing in the in-house league. Tons of fun, no politics. it's a shame that parents today feel their kid is too good to play in that league.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/18/15 07:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone is trying to hang onto players for dear life since every sport is year round. Our LAx PAL is crumbling because they wont play nice with baseball softball and soccer. We don't even field teams in every age group which is a travesty.


Who are the bigger PAL towns, enrollment wise. How do they do it? Is there school district involvement?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/18/15 08:35 PM
The best boys and girls travel teams on LI can be coached by me and you why? because they have the best talent. These big clubs are PR machines and have poaching down to a science why? BECAUSE ITS GOOD FOR A VERY BIG BUSINESS!

Some of the best programs are worth millions and millionairs are usually ruthless, that's why they have what they have.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/18/15 11:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best boys and girls travel teams on LI can be coached by me and you why? because they have the best talent. These big clubs are PR machines and have poaching down to a science why? BECAUSE ITS GOOD FOR A VERY BIG BUSINESS!

Some of the best programs are worth millions and millionairs are usually ruthless, that's why they have what they have.


Finally someone gets it. The big clubs are a business. They are in business to make money. That is their first priority. They will tell you whatever they think you need to hear to get you to play for them so they can collect your money. If you think they are looking out for your best interest before their own you are delusional.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/18/15 11:34 PM
Great post.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/19/15 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best boys and girls travel teams on LI can be coached by me and you why? because they have the best talent. These big clubs are PR machines and have poaching down to a science why? BECAUSE ITS GOOD FOR A VERY BIG BUSINESS!

Some of the best programs are worth millions and millionairs are usually ruthless, that's why they have what they have.


Finally someone gets it. The big clubs are a business. They are in business to make money. That is their first priority. They will tell you whatever they think you need to hear to get you to play for them so they can collect your money. If you think they are looking out for your best interest before their own you are delusional.



all well and good but I would bet on a top club team for recruitment over any high school coach.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/19/15 09:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best boys and girls travel teams on LI can be coached by me and you why? because they have the best talent. These big clubs are PR machines and have poaching down to a science why? BECAUSE ITS GOOD FOR A VERY BIG BUSINESS!

Some of the best programs are worth millions and millionairs are usually ruthless, that's why they have what they have.


Finally someone gets it. The big clubs are a business. They are in business to make money. That is their first priority. They will tell you whatever they think you need to hear to get you to play for them so they can collect your money. If you think they are looking out for your best interest before their own you are delusional.



all well and good but I would bet on a top club team for recruitment over any high school coach.


only if your kid is on THE top club team. Otherwise get him on a team with good coaching, and a talent level that fits him where he can thrive. Not one where he'll be a number and another tuition to fund the top team. If you're kid is not one of the elite they'll get lost in the big programs. Go with a smaller club or one that has one team in the age group with a good coach.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/19/15 09:48 PM
Let's not generalize with any high school coach....
GC, WM, Manhasset, SW, SE all coaches that have equal or better recruitment for their kids than the club programs

College coaches will listen to those guys over any club coach or director - they will actually lean on those guys more than they do the club guys during the recruiting process
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/19/15 10:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's not generalize with any high school coach....
GC, WM, Manhasset, SW, SE all coaches that have equal or better recruitment for their kids than the club programs

College coaches will listen to those guys over any club coach or director - they will actually lean on those guys more than they do the club guys during the recruiting process


Well,most of those kids got recruited from their clubs. Those coaches were blessed with talent and didn't hesitate to take the credit for it! I know first hand, being from one of those programs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/19/15 11:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's not generalize with any high school coach....
GC, WM, Manhasset, SW, SE all coaches that have equal or better recruitment for their kids than the club programs

College coaches will listen to those guys over any club coach or director - they will actually lean on those guys more than they do the club guys during the recruiting process


Well,most of those kids got recruited from their clubs. Those coaches were blessed with talent and didn't hesitate to take the credit for it! I know first hand, being from one of those programs.




Yes, most of the top clubs are filled with those particular towns you just mentioned. How about the several hundred other towns? You won't get it from your high school coach. Trust me.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/20/15 12:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's not generalize with any high school coach....
GC, WM, Manhasset, SW, SE all coaches that have equal or better recruitment for their kids than the club programs

College coaches will listen to those guys over any club coach or director - they will actually lean on those guys more than they do the club guys during the recruiting process


Well,most of those kids got recruited from their clubs. Those coaches were blessed with talent and didn't hesitate to take the credit for it! I know first hand, being from one of those programs.




Yes, most of the top clubs are filled with those particular towns you just mentioned. How about the several hundred other towns? You won't get it from your high school coach. Trust me.


And who do you think the first call goes to after the college coach talks to the club team coach? I can guarantee its the high school coach. Recruiting is about more than just lacrosse ability. It also involves academics. No college coach wants to make a commitment to a kid that will not be able to handle the school academically and will be gone after one year. The club coach cannot vouch for what type of student he is, only the high school coach can give that information.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/20/15 02:02 AM
K
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best boys and girls travel teams on LI can be coached by me and you why? because they have the best talent. These big clubs are PR machines and have poaching down to a science why? BECAUSE ITS GOOD FOR A VERY BIG BUSINESS!

Some of the best programs are worth millions and millionairs are usually ruthless, that's why they have what they have.


Finally someone gets it. The big clubs are a business. They are in business to make money. That is their first priority. They will tell you whatever they think you need to hear to get you to play for them so they can collect your money. If you think they are looking out for your best interest before their own you are delusional.


Very well said lots of 2019 kids jumping ship will be very disappointed down the road!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/20/15 11:07 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
u
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's not generalize with any high school coach....
GC, WM, Manhasset, SW, SE all coaches that have equal or better recruitment for their kids than the club programs

College coaches will listen to those guys over any club coach or director - they will actually lean on those guys more than they do the club guys during the recruiting process


Well,most of those kids got recruited from their clubs. Those coaches were blessed with talent and didn't hesitate to take the credit for it! I know first hand, being from one of those programs.




Yes, most of the top clubs are filled with those particular towns you just mentioned. How about the several hundred other towns? You won't get it from your high school coach. Trust me.


And who do you think the first call goes to after the college coach talks to the club team coach? I can guarantee its the high school coach. Recruiting is about more than just lacrosse ability. It also involves academics. No college coach wants to make a commitment to a kid that will not be able to handle the school academically and will be gone after one year. The club coach cannot vouch for what type of student he is, only the high school coach can give that information.



your first sentence proves my point. And transcripts speak for themselves. You need the club exposure. Its just the way it is. Not every kid will make it because the sport is flooded. Be realistic about your chances. It is a business first. Welcome to America. Not everyone gets a trophy in real life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/20/15 12:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
u
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's not generalize with any high school coach....
GC, WM, Manhasset, SW, SE all coaches that have equal or better recruitment for their kids than the club programs

College coaches will listen to those guys over any club coach or director - they will actually lean on those guys more than they do the club guys during the recruiting process


Well,most of those kids got recruited from their clubs. Those coaches were blessed with talent and didn't hesitate to take the credit for it! I know first hand, being from one of those programs.




Yes, most of the top clubs are filled with those particular towns you just mentioned. How about the several hundred other towns? You won't get it from your high school coach. Trust me.


And who do you think the first call goes to after the college coach talks to the club team coach? I can guarantee its the high school coach. Recruiting is about more than just lacrosse ability. It also involves academics. No college coach wants to make a commitment to a kid that will not be able to handle the school academically and will be gone after one year. The club coach cannot vouch for what type of student he is, only the high school coach can give that information.



your first sentence proves my point. And transcripts speak for themselves. You need the club exposure. Its just the way it is. Not every kid will make it because the sport is flooded. Be realistic about your chances. It is a business first. Welcome to America. Not everyone gets a trophy in real life.


True, if you have a high school coach that is not involved. Luckily my sons played for a coach that is involved and helped every player that wanted to play in college to find a place to play.
EVERY PLAYER....not just the D1 players. Most are not D1 players. Most in fact will play D3 in college, many will play D2 and a small percentage will play D1. A good high school coach is intersted in helping all his players find a place where they will fit in a play. Most clubs are only interested in helping the stand-out players to pad their club resume and sucker more people into playing for them. They all brag about the 4 or 5 they have every year that commit to D1 schools but what about the other 40 or 50 kids that played on both their A and B teams? They are left on their own or they get help from their varsity coach.
Don't kid yourself. It's all about lining their pockets and using whoever they have to to keep the business going.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/20/15 03:53 PM
That's exactly what the problem is! Most high school coaches are political,and only help who they want to help. I heard there are some school districts that are being invested SE,SW, Manhasset, along with the AD's Regarding abuse of their power. How do they sleep at night? Why were they rehired? They are ruining the sport for these boys. These men are abusive! Over the years complaints have been put in and superintendents have left. Finally they are being investigated. Let's put the fun back in the game. If anyone gets the opportunity to watch a game take notes how the stats are padded for certain players.
Posted By: The Hop Re: Complaint Department - 09/20/15 07:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's exactly what the problem is! Most high school coaches are political,and only help who they want to help. I heard there are some school districts that are being invested SE,SW, Manhasset, along with the AD's Regarding abuse of their power. How do they sleep at night? Why were they rehired? They are ruining the sport for these boys. These men are abusive! Over the years complaints have been put in and superintendents have left. Finally they are being investigated. Let's put the fun back in the game. If anyone gets the opportunity to watch a game take notes how the stats are padded for certain players.


Really?? What investigation?? What proof do you have??

Many, many HS coaches are outstanding and help kids with recruiting far more than clubs do.

Maybe we should investigate you. Your accusations are disgusting and possibly you should finally be revealed as the hypochondriac you are.

Take your meds and go watch a butterfly for a few hours. Relax.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/20/15 08:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three Village a joke? Their 2023 & 2022 teams were some of the best and well coached in the age group last season, club or PAL. Regarding the board, I believe they are truly trying to do what's best for Ward Melville. I would agree that the board member you are referring was a self serving a.., but the board did the right thing and asked him to step down and when he asked if his son could play for both 3v and the club team the board said no....upholding their decision to not let the "A" team kids play out. From what I have seen, BK is one of the best guys around the game and most of the board members are just trying to do what's best for WM.

With that said, its a shame to see what 3v parents are doing to the league. The disgruntled 2024 parents/ coaches are as self serving as the 3v board member. These same guys could have helped developed kids within the 3v program that would have ultimately feed WMHS, but instead choose to be self serving and created High Voltage, which is a " hybrid" team of the better 3v kids and a few kids from other towns so their own kids could play out and get a scholarship out of third grade!?!?

Who's the joke?

Three Village has it right for the most part....Most towns wish they had what we have...stop being a hater and get a clue.


You're kidding me right? 5th and 6th grade. Come back in a few years...the recruiting years... when your town team is getting spanked and overlooked because you drank too much of the 3v cool aid. Then you play patriot elite and attend recruiting tournaments that have less than a dozen coaches trying to watch games on 10 different fields. It is all a joke. Your best investment is with the top club teams if you can get on their top 2 teams. Take it from someone who has been through the system, not a hater, also believed until went through it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/20/15 09:50 PM
Originally Posted by The Hop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's exactly what the problem is! Most high school coaches are political,and only help who they want to help. I heard there are some school districts that are being invested SE,SW, Manhasset, along with the AD's Regarding abuse of their power. How do they sleep at night? Why were they rehired? They are ruining the sport for these boys. These men are abusive! Over the years complaints have been put in and superintendents have left. Finally they are being investigated. Let's put the fun back in the game. If anyone gets the opportunity to watch a game take notes how the stats are padded for certain players.


Really?? What investigation?? What proof do you have??

Many, many HS coaches are outstanding and help kids with recruiting far more than clubs do.

Maybe we should investigate you. Your accusations are disgusting and possibly you should finally be revealed as the hypochondriac you are.

Take your meds and go watch a butterfly for a few hours. Relax.



such inspiring words of wisdom. There are some good high school coaches but they cant do it without club teams. The training pales in comparison.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/20/15 10:22 PM
There is no right answer to this. It's all about who you know and may or may not have connections with . There are kids who never played on club teams that are recognized because someone in their family knows somebody. High school coaches will make somebody get seen if they think that kid has promise for a college team. High school coaches and club teams can both be beneficial
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/20/15 11:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three Village a joke? Their 2023 & 2022 teams were some of the best and well coached in the age group last season, club or PAL. Regarding the board, I believe they are truly trying to do what's best for Ward Melville. I would agree that the board member you are referring was a self serving a.., but the board did the right thing and asked him to step down and when he asked if his son could play for both 3v and the club team the board said no....upholding their decision to not let the "A" team kids play out. From what I have seen, BK is one of the best guys around the game and most of the board members are just trying to do what's best for WM.

With that said, its a shame to see what 3v parents are doing to the league. The disgruntled 2024 parents/ coaches are as self serving as the 3v board member. These same guys could have helped developed kids within the 3v program that would have ultimately feed WMHS, but instead choose to be self serving and created High Voltage, which is a " hybrid" team of the better 3v kids and a few kids from other towns so their own kids could play out and get a scholarship out of third grade!?!?

Who's the joke?

Three Village has it right for the most part....Most towns wish they had what we have...stop being a hater and get a clue.


You're kidding me right? 5th and 6th grade. Come back in a few years...the recruiting years... when your town team is getting spanked and overlooked because you drank too much of the 3v cool aid. Then you play patriot elite and attend recruiting tournaments that have less than a dozen coaches trying to watch games on 10 different fields. It is all a joke. Your best investment is with the top club teams if you can get on their top 2 teams. Take it from someone who has been through the system, not a hater, also believed until went through it.


3V one of the best teams town or club?! That's rich. Plus, whatever your thoughts are regarding the board, the coaching and development of the kids, etc, are all wrong. You are clearly a 3Villager. If you can get out of the woods and take a good look at the trees, you will find a completely different picture.

I would put 4 or five other towns in 2022 up against 3v, and maybe 3V wins a couple, but I guarantee the boys on the other teams carry themselves with greater class and dignity.

BTW, what club teams did these kids beat? Probably not any of the top echelon ...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/21/15 12:13 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three Village a joke? Their 2023 & 2022 teams were some of the best and well coached in the age group last season, club or PAL. Regarding the board, I believe they are truly trying to do what's best for Ward Melville. I would agree that the board member you are referring was a self serving a.., but the board did the right thing and asked him to step down and when he asked if his son could play for both 3v and the club team the board said no....upholding their decision to not let the "A" team kids play out. From what I have seen, BK is one of the best guys around the game and most of the board members are just trying to do what's best for WM.

With that said, its a shame to see what 3v parents are doing to the league. The disgruntled 2024 parents/ coaches are as self serving as the 3v board member. These same guys could have helped developed kids within the 3v program that would have ultimately feed WMHS, but instead choose to be self serving and created High Voltage, which is a " hybrid" team of the better 3v kids and a few kids from other towns so their own kids could play out and get a scholarship out of third grade!?!?

Who's the joke?

Three Village has it right for the most part....Most towns wish they had what we have...stop being a hater and get a clue.


You're kidding me right? 5th and 6th grade. Come back in a few years...the recruiting years... when your town team is getting spanked and overlooked because you drank too much of the 3v cool aid. Then you play patriot elite and attend recruiting tournaments that have less than a dozen coaches trying to watch games on 10 different fields. It is all a joke. Your best investment is with the top club teams if you can get on their top 2 teams. Take it from someone who has been through the system, not a hater, also believed until went through it.


3V one of the best teams town or club?! That's rich. Plus, whatever your thoughts are regarding the board, the coaching and development of the kids, etc, are all wrong. You are clearly a 3Villager. If you can get out of the woods and take a good look at the trees, you will find a completely different picture.

I would put 4 or five other towns in 2022 up against 3v, and maybe 3V wins a couple, but I guarantee the boys on the other teams carry themselves with greater class and dignity.

BTW, what club teams did these kids beat? Probably not any of the top echelon ...


I heard that 2024 High Voltage team is more like Power Outage.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/21/15 11:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three Village a joke? Their 2023 & 2022 teams were some of the best and well coached in the age group last season, club or PAL. Regarding the board, I believe they are truly trying to do what's best for Ward Melville. I would agree that the board member you are referring was a self serving a.., but the board did the right thing and asked him to step down and when he asked if his son could play for both 3v and the club team the board said no....upholding their decision to not let the "A" team kids play out. From what I have seen, BK is one of the best guys around the game and most of the board members are just trying to do what's best for WM.

With that said, its a shame to see what 3v parents are doing to the league. The disgruntled 2024 parents/ coaches are as self serving as the 3v board member. These same guys could have helped developed kids within the 3v program that would have ultimately feed WMHS, but instead choose to be self serving and created High Voltage, which is a " hybrid" team of the better 3v kids and a few kids from other towns so their own kids could play out and get a scholarship out of third grade!?!?

Who's the joke?

Three Village has it right for the most part....Most towns wish they had what we have...stop being a hater and get a clue.


You're kidding me right? 5th and 6th grade. Come back in a few years...the recruiting years... when your town team is getting spanked and overlooked because you drank too much of the 3v cool aid. Then you play patriot elite and attend recruiting tournaments that have less than a dozen coaches trying to watch games on 10 different fields. It is all a joke. Your best investment is with the top club teams if you can get on their top 2 teams. Take it from someone who has been through the system, not a hater, also believed until went through it.


This says it all right here, and I quote,
"Your best investment is with the top club teams IF YOU CAN GET ON THEIR TOP 2 TEAMS."
That's all the club teams care about, promoting their top teams to pad their stats to get more naive parents like you to shell out thousands of dollars to them.
The high school coach will help EVERYONE on their team find a place to play if they want to play, from the best D1 players to a kid that is not that good but loves the game and will play for a college club team just to keep playing.
The problem coming down the road is that their are so many club teams now that the talent on each team is getting watered down as they all poach from each other.
College coaches can't be everywhere and can't see everyone.
In the past when the clubs were truly for the elite players it was easy for coaches to watch a game and see 5-10 true blue chip D1 prospects on the field at the same time. That time is past already. Watch the best club teams play today and you may see one or two true D1 can't miss prospects playing each other.
The tide will turn and colleges will go back to recruiting through the high schools again.
And don't even get me started on early recruiting. How many boys that verbally commit in 8th, 9th or even 10th grade actually finish their college years at the school they initially commited to??????
At that age they are committing to a name not even knowing what they want to study in collge or if that school will be a good fit for them later on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/21/15 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three Village a joke? Their 2023 & 2022 teams were some of the best and well coached in the age group last season, club or PAL. Regarding the board, I believe they are truly trying to do what's best for Ward Melville. I would agree that the board member you are referring was a self serving a.., but the board did the right thing and asked him to step down and when he asked if his son could play for both 3v and the club team the board said no....upholding their decision to not let the "A" team kids play out. From what I have seen, BK is one of the best guys around the game and most of the board members are just trying to do what's best for WM.

With that said, its a shame to see what 3v parents are doing to the league. The disgruntled 2024 parents/ coaches are as self serving as the 3v board member. These same guys could have helped developed kids within the 3v program that would have ultimately feed WMHS, but instead choose to be self serving and created High Voltage, which is a " hybrid" team of the better 3v kids and a few kids from other towns so their own kids could play out and get a scholarship out of third grade!?!?

Who's the joke?

Three Village has it right for the most part....Most towns wish they had what we have...stop being a hater and get a clue.


You're kidding me right? 5th and 6th grade. Come back in a few years...the recruiting years... when your town team is getting spanked and overlooked because you drank too much of the 3v cool aid. Then you play patriot elite and attend recruiting tournaments that have less than a dozen coaches trying to watch games on 10 different fields. It is all a joke. Your best investment is with the top club teams if you can get on their top 2 teams. Take it from someone who has been through the system, not a hater, also believed until went through it.


This says it all right here, and I quote,
"Your best investment is with the top club teams IF YOU CAN GET ON THEIR TOP 2 TEAMS."
That's all the club teams care about, promoting their top teams to pad their stats to get more naive parents like you to shell out thousands of dollars to them.
The high school coach will help EVERYONE on their team find a place to play if they want to play, from the best D1 players to a kid that is not that good but loves the game and will play for a college club team just to keep playing.
The problem coming down the road is that their are so many club teams now that the talent on each team is getting watered down as they all poach from each other.
College coaches can't be everywhere and can't see everyone.
In the past when the clubs were truly for the elite players it was easy for coaches to watch a game and see 5-10 true blue chip D1 prospects on the field at the same time. That time is past already. Watch the best club teams play today and you may see one or two true D1 can't miss prospects playing each other.
The tide will turn and colleges will go back to recruiting through the high schools again.
And don't even get me started on early recruiting. How many boys that verbally commit in 8th, 9th or even 10th grade actually finish their college years at the school they initially commited to??????
At that age they are committing to a name not even knowing what they want to study in collge or if that school will be a good fit for them later on.



high coaches will help EVERYONE. if I had a nickel for every time I heard that one. the tides do change from where colleges recruit from. find the best fit. there is plenty of clubs to choose from. even if they are watered down you still need that exposure and training.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/21/15 02:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three Village a joke? Their 2023 & 2022 teams were some of the best and well coached in the age group last season, club or PAL. Regarding the board, I believe they are truly trying to do what's best for Ward Melville. I would agree that the board member you are referring was a self serving a.., but the board did the right thing and asked him to step down and when he asked if his son could play for both 3v and the club team the board said no....upholding their decision to not let the "A" team kids play out. From what I have seen, BK is one of the best guys around the game and most of the board members are just trying to do what's best for WM.

With that said, its a shame to see what 3v parents are doing to the league. The disgruntled 2024 parents/ coaches are as self serving as the 3v board member. These same guys could have helped developed kids within the 3v program that would have ultimately feed WMHS, but instead choose to be self serving and created High Voltage, which is a " hybrid" team of the better 3v kids and a few kids from other towns so their own kids could play out and get a scholarship out of third grade!?!?

Who's the joke?

Three Village has it right for the most part....Most towns wish they had what we have...stop being a hater and get a clue.


You're kidding me right? 5th and 6th grade. Come back in a few years...the recruiting years... when your town team is getting spanked and overlooked because you drank too much of the 3v cool aid. Then you play patriot elite and attend recruiting tournaments that have less than a dozen coaches trying to watch games on 10 different fields. It is all a joke. Your best investment is with the top club teams if you can get on their top 2 teams. Take it from someone who has been through the system, not a hater, also believed until went through it.


This says it all right here, and I quote,
"Your best investment is with the top club teams IF YOU CAN GET ON THEIR TOP 2 TEAMS."
That's all the club teams care about, promoting their top teams to pad their stats to get more naive parents like you to shell out thousands of dollars to them.
The high school coach will help EVERYONE on their team find a place to play if they want to play, from the best D1 players to a kid that is not that good but loves the game and will play for a college club team just to keep playing.
The problem coming down the road is that their are so many club teams now that the talent on each team is getting watered down as they all poach from each other.
College coaches can't be everywhere and can't see everyone.
In the past when the clubs were truly for the elite players it was easy for coaches to watch a game and see 5-10 true blue chip D1 prospects on the field at the same time. That time is past already. Watch the best club teams play today and you may see one or two true D1 can't miss prospects playing each other.
The tide will turn and colleges will go back to recruiting through the high schools again.
And don't even get me started on early recruiting. How many boys that verbally commit in 8th, 9th or even 10th grade actually finish their college years at the school they initially commited to??????
At that age they are committing to a name not even knowing what they want to study in collge or if that school will be a good fit for them later on.



high coaches will help EVERYONE. if I had a nickel for every time I heard that one. the tides do change from where colleges recruit from. find the best fit. there is plenty of clubs to choose from. even if they are watered down you still need that exposure and training.






They will not go back to the high schools for anything. Wake up. Look at the numbers. Clubs are getting smarter, moving to different states, keeping track of the kids that have promise. Showing through the young years of playing what they thrive at and what they need work on. College coaches are able to call a club and get the stats on a solid amount of players all at one time. High school coaches come and go, I have seen it first hand. Your kid plays for a coach for 2 years and the coach leaves or retires, now a new coach steps in and knows nothing about what went on the years he wasn't there. Play for a good organized club that shows interest in your son. Is $ involved? Of course it is. What doesn't? As a parent you need to smarten up and realize your child's capabilities. If he's a legit player and has a shot, you keep him in the top competitive arena and hope he continues to thrive. If he's a B player than stick with town and don't waste your $. In the end except for a few, HS coaches are a joke and if you look closely they are the ones that are grabbing the $. Starting clinics and charging parents with the promise they will watch the progress and do what they can for their son. If you don't do it than the fear sets in that your son will be cut playing time because you weren't part of their "program". Once again wake up to the reality.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/21/15 02:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's exactly what the problem is! Most high school coaches are political,and only help who they want to help. I heard there are some school districts that are being invested SE,SW, Manhasset, along with the AD's Regarding abuse of their power. How do they sleep at night? Why were they rehired? They are ruining the sport for these boys. These men are abusive! Over the years complaints have been put in and superintendents have left. Finally they are being investigated. Let's put the fun back in the game. If anyone gets the opportunity to watch a game take notes how the stats are padded for certain players.


Really?? What investigation?? What proof do you have??

Many, many HS coaches are outstanding and help kids with recruiting far more than clubs do.

Maybe we should investigate you. Your accusations are disgusting and possibly you should finally be revealed as the hypochondriac you are.

Take your meds and go watch a butterfly for a few hours. Relax.



such inspiring words of wisdom. There are some good high school coaches but they cant do it without club teams. The training pales in comparison.


Really??????
The high school coaches have been doing a fine job of it without help from any club coaches up until about 10 years ago.
Hogh School and College lacrosse didn't just start in the last 10-15 years.
But now the clubs convinced people to pay them big bucks for the same thing the the high school coaches were doing as part of their job for a long, long time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/21/15 02:37 PM
It's a sad state of affairs when individuals find that making anonymous digs is the best use of ones time. Regarding the self-serving accusations made against the coaches and parents of High Voltage, I have to say I am confused. If putting ones child before a school, town, or community is self serving then jot my name on the very top of that self serving list. If you have some unspoken commitment to a group of friends like the three musketeers and that works for you, more power to you. A parents loyalty should most certainly lie first and foremost with their child in my opinion. If you are putting your friends and community before the wellbeing of you own child, it is you that has it backwards. Don't get me wrong, I care a great deal about my community, just not more than my children. As for not watching a High Voltage game.... Perhaps you should before passing judgment. There are kids that have been playing since kindergarten and kids that just picked up a stick. There are boys that play on a club team and boys that do not. The coaches on that team are committed, available, and have the ability to get the most from the boys and yes, they win. I hate to break it to you but kids do like to win. I find that the people that most like to point out that it's not about Winning and losing but about developing players is trying to distract people from the fact that they didn't win a game all season. If you are developing players you should be able to win a game or two. The bottom line is that the coaches and parents of High Voltage decided to go a different direction. One that works best for them. At no point in time has anyone ever said anything good, bad or indifferent for that matter regarding Three Village. If I was a betting man, I would say that this whole back and forth was started by someone other than HV. I do however hope it stops for the sake of our community and more importantly our children. One day whether we like it or not our children are going to find their way onto this website. It is up to us what they read.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/21/15 03:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best boys and girls travel teams on LI can be coached by me and you why? because they have the best talent. These big clubs are PR machines and have poaching down to a science why? BECAUSE ITS GOOD FOR A VERY BIG BUSINESS!

Some of the best programs are worth millions and millionairs are usually ruthless, that's why they have what they have.



Finally someone gets it. The big clubs are a business. They are in business to make money. That is their first priority. They will tell you whatever they think you need to hear to get you to play for them so they can collect your money. If you think they are looking out for your best interest before their own you are delusional.



all well and good but I would bet on a top club team for recruitment over any high school coach.

That could not be further from the truth.... It's all part of the sales pitch and it's clear they sold you. Let's think for a second, why do all of these clubs want top HS coaches in their program?? Because they have connections and a true understanding of the recruiting process.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/21/15 03:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's exactly what the problem is! Most high school coaches are political,and only help who they want to help. I heard there are some school districts that are being invested SE,SW, Manhasset, along with the AD's Regarding abuse of their power. How do they sleep at night? Why were they rehired? They are ruining the sport for these boys. These men are abusive! Over the years complaints have been put in and superintendents have left. Finally they are being investigated. Let's put the fun back in the game. If anyone gets the opportunity to watch a game take notes how the stats are padded for certain players.


Really?? What investigation?? What proof do you have??

Many, many HS coaches are outstanding and help kids with recruiting far more than clubs do.

Maybe we should investigate you. Your accusations are disgusting and possibly you should finally be revealed as the hypochondriac you are.

Take your meds and go watch a butterfly for a few hours. Relax.



such inspiring words of wisdom. There are some good high school coaches but they cant do it without club teams. The training pales in comparison.


Really??????
The high school coaches have been doing a fine job of it without help from any club coaches up until about 10 years ago.
Hogh School and College lacrosse didn't just start in the last 10-15 years.
But now the clubs convinced people to pay them big bucks for the same thing the the high school coaches were doing as part of their job for a long, long time.



You're a clown. Look at the #s. College Lacrosse recruiting has gone up 10 fold since the club teams have been in existence. 15 years ago 1 or 2 kids maybe got the nod to move to College ball, now 5-10 kids are getting that opportunity. Why do you think when you read an up and coming players bio it has a section that says Club Team? You are either a coach or an assistant with your opinion. Learn what's going on around you before making statements. A few HS coaches are good, but most are there for a paycheck and to give a select few opportunities. Oh and by the way check the last posters comments; HS coaches opening up their own clinics to rake in the $ they don't want club teams to get? These guys turned what was once a free sport to learn at the town level, now into their own personal money grab. Those guys are what's ruining the sport not club teams who you know going into it will cost money. Now High school coaches have Lacrosse companies with some BS initials and they bring their friends in to coach and everyone fills their piggy bank. Keep believing in them though, too funny.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/21/15 04:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's exactly what the problem is! Most high school coaches are political,and only help who they want to help. I heard there are some school districts that are being invested SE,SW, Manhasset, along with the AD's Regarding abuse of their power. How do they sleep at night? Why were they rehired? They are ruining the sport for these boys. These men are abusive! Over the years complaints have been put in and superintendents have left. Finally they are being investigated. Let's put the fun back in the game. If anyone gets the opportunity to watch a game take notes how the stats are padded for certain players.


Really?? What investigation?? What proof do you have??

Many, many HS coaches are outstanding and help kids with recruiting far more than clubs do.

Maybe we should investigate you. Your accusations are disgusting and possibly you should finally be revealed as the hypochondriac you are.

Take your meds and go watch a butterfly for a few hours. Relax.



such inspiring words of wisdom. There are some good high school coaches but they cant do it without club teams. The training pales in comparison.


Really??????
The high school coaches have been doing a fine job of it without help from any club coaches up until about 10 years ago.
Hogh School and College lacrosse didn't just start in the last 10-15 years.
But now the clubs convinced people to pay them big bucks for the same thing the the high school coaches were doing as part of their job for a long, long time.


so we agree you need the club exposure in this day and age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/21/15 04:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best boys and girls travel teams on LI can be coached by me and you why? because they have the best talent. These big clubs are PR machines and have poaching down to a science why? BECAUSE ITS GOOD FOR A VERY BIG BUSINESS!

Some of the best programs are worth millions and millionairs are usually ruthless, that's why they have what they have.





Finally someone gets it. The big clubs are a business. They are in business to make money. That is their first priority. They will tell you whatever they think you need to hear to get you to play for them so they can collect your money. If you think they are looking out for your best interest before their own you are delusional.



all well and good but I would bet on a top club team for recruitment over any high school coach.

That could not be further from the truth.... It's all part of the sales pitch and it's clear they sold you. Let's think for a second, why do all of these clubs want top HS coaches in their program?? Because they have connections and a true understanding of the recruiting process.


you are talking in circles. could it be the reverse as well. YOU NEED THE CLUBS. PERIOD.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/21/15 05:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three Village a joke? Their 2023 & 2022 teams were some of the best and well coached in the age group last season, club or PAL. Regarding the board, I believe they are truly trying to do what's best for Ward Melville. I would agree that the board member you are referring was a self serving a.., but the board did the right thing and asked him to step down and when he asked if his son could play for both 3v and the club team the board said no....upholding their decision to not let the "A" team kids play out. From what I have seen, BK is one of the best guys around the game and most of the board members are just trying to do what's best for WM.

With that said, its a shame to see what 3v parents are doing to the league. The disgruntled 2024 parents/ coaches are as self serving as the 3v board member. These same guys could have helped developed kids within the 3v program that would have ultimately feed WMHS, but instead choose to be self serving and created High Voltage, which is a " hybrid" team of the better 3v kids and a few kids from other towns so their own kids could play out and get a scholarship out of third grade!?!?

Who's the joke?

Three Village has it right for the most part....Most towns wish they had what we have...stop being a hater and get a clue.


You're kidding me right? 5th and 6th grade. Come back in a few years...the recruiting years... when your town team is getting spanked and overlooked because you drank too much of the 3v cool aid. Then you play patriot elite and attend recruiting tournaments that have less than a dozen coaches trying to watch games on 10 different fields. It is all a joke. Your best investment is with the top club teams if you can get on their top 2 teams. Take it from someone who has been through the system, not a hater, also believed until went through it.


3V one of the best teams town or club?! That's rich. Plus, whatever your thoughts are regarding the board, the coaching and development of the kids, etc, are all wrong. You are clearly a 3Villager. If you can get out of the woods and take a good look at the trees, you will find a completely different picture.

I would put 4 or five other towns in 2022 up against 3v, and maybe 3V wins a couple, but I guarantee the boys on the other teams carry themselves with greater class and dignity.

BTW, what club teams did these kids beat? Probably not any of the top echelon ...


I heard that 2024 High Voltage team is more like Power Outage.


We have 20 committed players for the 2016 season. Spread your propaganda elsewhere. I think you have it wrong, when High Voltage plays YOUR team it will be LIGHTS OUT for you!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/22/15 03:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous


We have 20 committed players for the 2016 season. Spread your propaganda elsewhere. I think you have it wrong, when High Voltage plays YOUR team it will be LIGHTS OUT for you!


Let me tell you something Mean Gene, when I get in that ring on Saturday night...... ooooooooooooooooh look out boy 'cuz I'm gonna take these 22 inch pythons and show people what it's all about out. When I get in that squared circle, people are gonna pay Mean Gene.

This "LIGHTS OUT" stuff- very WWE, very vicarious living, very silly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/23/15 06:43 PM
What exactly are they "committed" to? Relax Killer and say it slowly...4th grade lacrosse. Repeat as necessary.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/23/15 07:34 PM
The board of 3Village does what is best for them. Not so long ago the board allowed kids on the 2017 age group play on their team and a travel team for one year. Now why did they allow that you ask, because 4 of the board members had kids at that age group on the team and they wanted that team to stay intact for that year.

I know they have used a board members business to help evaluate teams at some age groups. Is that a conflict of interest ?

One of the biggest things 3Vlax prepares you for is the conflict of interest being that Patriot Elite is all about A Conflict Of Interest!!!
Posted By: strongARM Re: Complaint Department - 09/23/15 08:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What exactly are they "committed" to? Relax Killer and say it slowly...4th grade lacrosse. Repeat as necessary.


The idea that someone is spouting nonsense about killer 2024 players is a hoot... Some of the 2024's still need a spot-check as to whether or not they've wet the bed each morning. This isn't a knock against them, THEY ARE EIGHT YEARS OLD... as are some of their parents.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/23/15 09:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What exactly are they "committed" to? Relax Killer and say it slowly...4th grade lacrosse. Repeat as necessary.


Not from 3v or 2024, but it does take a commitment from both players and parents and coaches to make any program beit town or travel work.

lose the commitment to the team or individual and you lost the team. Saw it happen a few times.

that said I have 3 children in HS and one MS, and have seen 3v for years somehow be there at the end.

Enough of 3V what about West Islip what of them and what's going on there

How about Syosset? How about Massapequa? What is going on with the Smithtowns? Oh wait its football season, have fun boys!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/25/15 04:25 PM
The 2016 Boys Youth Rules was announced by USL today.

I guess all the chatter about age vs grade really wasn't touched and its still a two year span U9-11-13-15, with the Aug 31 cut off date. Looks like the choice was to not modify the rules or mention a governing body that will monitor age appropriate play. No proverbial hammer came down. Someone please correct me, I'd like to be wrong.

- The hotspot towns will continue to kindergarten redshirt and deny.
- The wealthy private school families will continue to kindergarten redshirt and holdback in 8th grade and deny.
- The Łber wealthy private school families will continue to kindergarten redshirt, holdback in 8th grade, and PG a year and deny.
- The middle income public school families will have on age/grade players who are extremely talented kids because they are tough and play up. But they will get shafted for the college recruiting scene because the colleges will continue to rake in the money from the wealthy families for notoriety. For middle income families, Honoring the Game will become Resent the Game and a big ole flip of the bird.

As the Talking Heads once said, 'same as it ever was'.

Meanwhile, WSYL will gain ground with their even older age requirements and the double holdbacks win on ESPN, and USL won't know why it happened.

Something tells me the people running the industry are those who took advantage to begin with.

Keep growing it!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/25/15 05:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three Village a joke? Their 2023 & 2022 teams were some of the best and well coached in the age group last season, club or PAL. Regarding the board, I believe they are truly trying to do what's best for Ward Melville. I would agree that the board member you are referring was a self serving a.., but the board did the right thing and asked him to step down and when he asked if his son could play for both 3v and the club team the board said no....upholding their decision to not let the "A" team kids play out. From what I have seen, BK is one of the best guys around the game and most of the board members are just trying to do what's best for WM.

With that said, its a shame to see what 3v parents are doing to the league. The disgruntled 2024 parents/ coaches are as self serving as the 3v board member. These same guys could have helped developed kids within the 3v program that would have ultimately feed WMHS, but instead choose to be self serving and created High Voltage, which is a " hybrid" team of the better 3v kids and a few kids from other towns so their own kids could play out and get a scholarship out of third grade!?!?

Who's the joke?

Three Village has it right for the most part....Most towns wish they had what we have...stop being a hater and get a clue.


You're kidding me right? 5th and 6th grade. Come back in a few years...the recruiting years... when your town team is getting spanked and overlooked because you drank too much of the 3v cool aid. Then you play patriot elite and attend recruiting tournaments that have less than a dozen coaches trying to watch games on 10 different fields. It is all a joke. Your best investment is with the top club teams if you can get on their top 2 teams. Take it from someone who has been through the system, not a hater, also believed until went through it.


3V one of the best teams town or club?! That's rich. Plus, whatever your thoughts are regarding the board, the coaching and development of the kids, etc, are all wrong. You are clearly a 3Villager. If you can get out of the woods and take a good look at the trees, you will find a completely different picture.

I would put 4 or five other towns in 2022 up against 3v, and maybe 3V wins a couple, but I guarantee the boys on the other teams carry themselves with greater class and dignity.

BTW, what club teams did these kids beat? Probably not any of the top echelon ...


I heard that 2024 High Voltage team is more like Power Outage.


We have 20 committed players for the 2016 season. Spread your propaganda elsewhere. I think you have it wrong, when High Voltage plays YOUR team it will be LIGHTS OUT for you!


I can't stop laughing...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/25/15 06:10 PM
USL's focus is almost exclusively on growing the sport, contrary to the tripe that they publish. Anything, including the welfare of the children and the spirit of youth sports, that interferes with that objective, is summarily dismissed. They are painfully aware of the ongoing issue with grade based competition and the epidemic of kids and teams playing down. The have consistently chosen to remain silent on the subject. They are a useless organization.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/25/15 11:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
USL's focus is almost exclusively on growing the sport, contrary to the tripe that they publish. Anything, including the welfare of the children and the spirit of youth sports, that interferes with that objective, is summarily dismissed. They are painfully aware of the ongoing issue with grade based competition and the epidemic of kids and teams playing down. The have consistently chosen to remain silent on the subject. They are a useless organization.


Agree... To not stand up and take a stand in the playing down an age in YOUTH lacrosse world makes the USL a joke...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/26/15 01:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's exactly what the problem is! Most high school coaches are political,and only help who they want to help. I heard there are some school districts that are being invested SE,SW, Manhasset, along with the AD's Regarding abuse of their power. How do they sleep at night? Why were they rehired? They are ruining the sport for these boys. These men are abusive! Over the years complaints have been put in and superintendents have left. Finally they are being investigated. Let's put the fun back in the game. If anyone gets the opportunity to watch a game take notes how the stats are padded for certain players.


Really?? What investigation?? What proof do you have??

Many, many HS coaches are outstanding and help kids with recruiting far more than clubs do.

Maybe we should investigate you. Your accusations are disgusting and possibly you should finally be revealed as the hypochondriac you are.

Take your meds and go watch a butterfly for a few hours. Relax.



such inspiring words of wisdom. There are some good high school coaches but they cant do it without club teams. The training pales in comparison.


Really??????
The high school coaches have been doing a fine job of it without help from any club coaches up until about 10 years ago.
Hogh School and College lacrosse didn't just start in the last 10-15 years.
But now the clubs convinced people to pay them big bucks for the same thing the the high school coaches were doing as part of their job for a long, long time.



You're a clown. Look at the #s. College Lacrosse recruiting has gone up 10 fold since the club teams have been in existence. 15 years ago 1 or 2 kids maybe got the nod to move to College ball, now 5-10 kids are getting that opportunity. Why do you think when you read an up and coming players bio it has a section that says Club Team? You are either a coach or an assistant with your opinion. Learn what's going on around you before making statements. A few HS coaches are good, but most are there for a paycheck and to give a select few opportunities. Oh and by the way check the last posters comments; HS coaches opening up their own clinics to rake in the $ they don't want club teams to get? These guys turned what was once a free sport to learn at the town level, now into their own personal money grab. Those guys are what's ruining the sport not club teams who you know going into it will cost money. Now High school coaches have Lacrosse companies with some BS initials and they bring their friends in to coach and everyone fills their piggy bank. Keep believing in them though, too funny.


Really? So where did the college teams get their players before the club teams emerged? hmmmm...maybe from the high schools????
And you call me a clown???? LOL

Yes, more players are recruited and playing in college today but that is because there are more college lacrosse teams today. It is a growing sport but that has nothing to do with the club tams, they are simply taking advantage of the current popularity of lacrosse.
Posted By: America's Game Re: Complaint Department - 09/26/15 01:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's exactly what the problem is! Most high school coaches are political,and only help who they want to help. I heard there are some school districts that are being invested SE,SW, Manhasset, along with the AD's Regarding abuse of their power. How do they sleep at night? Why were they rehired? They are ruining the sport for these boys. These men are abusive! Over the years complaints have been put in and superintendents have left. Finally they are being investigated. Let's put the fun back in the game. If anyone gets the opportunity to watch a game take notes how the stats are padded for certain players.


Really?? What investigation?? What proof do you have??

Many, many HS coaches are outstanding and help kids with recruiting far more than clubs do.

Maybe we should investigate you. Your accusations are disgusting and possibly you should finally be revealed as the hypochondriac you are.

Take your meds and go watch a butterfly for a few hours. Relax.



such inspiring words of wisdom. There are some good high school coaches but they cant do it without club teams. The training pales in comparison.


Really??????
The high school coaches have been doing a fine job of it without help from any club coaches up until about 10 years ago.
Hogh School and College lacrosse didn't just start in the last 10-15 years.
But now the clubs convinced people to pay them big bucks for the same thing the the high school coaches were doing as part of their job for a long, long time.



You're a clown. Look at the #s. College Lacrosse recruiting has gone up 10 fold since the club teams have been in existence. 15 years ago 1 or 2 kids maybe got the nod to move to College ball, now 5-10 kids are getting that opportunity. Why do you think when you read an up and coming players bio it has a section that says Club Team? You are either a coach or an assistant with your opinion. Learn what's going on around you before making statements. A few HS coaches are good, but most are there for a paycheck and to give a select few opportunities. Oh and by the way check the last posters comments; HS coaches opening up their own clinics to rake in the $ they don't want club teams to get? These guys turned what was once a free sport to learn at the town level, now into their own personal money grab. Those guys are what's ruining the sport not club teams who you know going into it will cost money. Now High school coaches have Lacrosse companies with some BS initials and they bring their friends in to coach and everyone fills their piggy bank. Keep believing in them though, too funny.


You forget to take your pills. Are you really that blinded by all the club bs. I have been around this game for over 40years and am proud to call some of the best players to ever play the game my friends. FYI the big club phenomenon has been around for I believe 12 years and that's Express. There are others that have been around longer but they didn't take it to the next level. Before all these youth clubs there was North Hempstead, Harveys and a few others that fielded teams where ex college players played and that's where the Saints Lizards and other LI Pro and Semi Pro teams evolved from. As for the college recruiting scene before the clubs there were always good players and they were always found. The clubs used to be for the elite players but when it became a business and all businesses are in it to make money you have theses clubs selling the BS that this team is an AA team and that team is an A team and so on down the line. This is all to get people who are chasing the dream to shell out more and more money for more training for more privates and everything else under the sun. College coaches will always find the best players for their teams regardless of where they play Town ball or Travel. A stud is a stud on any field. So please go sell your Kool-Aid somewhere else. It might work on the uneducated and newbies but it doesn't work here.

As for coaches doing extra to make their own high school teams better isn't that developing their team. The more a team plays together the better the more cohesive they are. Yes it is a job and if they don't do well they lose that job. So now we say they are taking advantage of the players and parents. Well if they don't do the extra then the parents complain they are not doing enough and get them fired.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/26/15 03:30 AM
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's exactly what the problem is! Most high school coaches are political,and only help who they want to help. I heard there are some school districts that are being invested SE,SW, Manhasset, along with the AD's Regarding abuse of their power. How do they sleep at night? Why were they rehired? They are ruining the sport for these boys. These men are abusive! Over the years complaints have been put in and superintendents have left. Finally they are being investigated. Let's put the fun back in the game. If anyone gets the opportunity to watch a game take notes how the stats are padded for certain players.


Really?? What investigation?? What proof do you have??

Many, many HS coaches are outstanding and help kids with recruiting far more than clubs do.

Maybe we should investigate you. Your accusations are disgusting and possibly you should finally be revealed as the hypochondriac you are.

Take your meds and go watch a butterfly for a few hours. Relax.



such inspiring words of wisdom. There are some good high school coaches but they cant do it without club teams. The training pales in comparison.


Really??????
The high school coaches have been doing a fine job of it without help from any club coaches up until about 10 years ago.
Hogh School and College lacrosse didn't just start in the last 10-15 years.
But now the clubs convinced people to pay them big bucks for the same thing the the high school coaches were doing as part of their job for a long, long time.



You're a clown. Look at the #s. College Lacrosse recruiting has gone up 10 fold since the club teams have been in existence. 15 years ago 1 or 2 kids maybe got the nod to move to College ball, now 5-10 kids are getting that opportunity. Why do you think when you read an up and coming players bio it has a section that says Club Team? You are either a coach or an assistant with your opinion. Learn what's going on around you before making statements. A few HS coaches are good, but most are there for a paycheck and to give a select few opportunities. Oh and by the way check the last posters comments; HS coaches opening up their own clinics to rake in the $ they don't want club teams to get? These guys turned what was once a free sport to learn at the town level, now into their own personal money grab. Those guys are what's ruining the sport not club teams who you know going into it will cost money. Now High school coaches have Lacrosse companies with some BS initials and they bring their friends in to coach and everyone fills their piggy bank. Keep believing in them though, too funny.


You forget to take your pills. Are you really that blinded by all the club bs. I have been around this game for over 40years and am proud to call some of the best players to ever play the game my friends. FYI the big club phenomenon has been around for I believe 12 years and that's Express. There are others that have been around longer but they didn't take it to the next level. Before all these youth clubs there was North Hempstead, Harveys and a few others that fielded teams where ex college players played and that's where the Saints Lizards and other LI Pro and Semi Pro teams evolved from. As for the college recruiting scene before the clubs there were always good players and they were always found. The clubs used to be for the elite players but when it became a business and all businesses are in it to make money you have theses clubs selling the BS that this team is an AA team and that team is an A team and so on down the line. This is all to get people who are chasing the dream to shell out more and more money for more training for more privates and everything else under the sun. College coaches will always find the best players for their teams regardless of where they play Town ball or Travel. A stud is a stud on any field. So please go sell your Kool-Aid somewhere else. It might work on the uneducated and newbies but it doesn't work here.

As for coaches doing extra to make their own high school teams better isn't that developing their team. The more a team plays together the better the more cohesive they are. Yes it is a job and if they don't do well they lose that job. So now we say they are taking advantage of the players and parents. Well if they don't do the extra then the parents complain they are not doing enough and get them fired.


a stud is a stud but he still needs the training. my son is 13 and there is a world of difference between his skill level and the skill level of his stud friends who just play town ball. every sport is knee deep in the travel scene now. it may have been different decades ago but this is the way it is right now. you are not sold by it because you've been there done that. there is so much more competition now. parents are just trying to give their child the best opportunities available to them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/26/15 10:16 AM
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's exactly what the problem is! Most high school coaches are political,and only help who they want to help. I heard there are some school districts that are being invested SE,SW, Manhasset, along with the AD's Regarding abuse of their power. How do they sleep at night? Why were they rehired? They are ruining the sport for these boys. These men are abusive! Over the years complaints have been put in and superintendents have left. Finally they are being investigated. Let's put the fun back in the game. If anyone gets the opportunity to watch a game take notes how the stats are padded for certain players.


Really?? What investigation?? What proof do you have??

Many, many HS coaches are outstanding and help kids with recruiting far more than clubs do.

Maybe we should investigate you. Your accusations are disgusting and possibly you should finally be revealed as the hypochondriac you are.

Take your meds and go watch a butterfly for a few hours. Relax.



such inspiring words of wisdom. There are some good high school coaches but they cant do it without club teams. The training pales in comparison.


Really??????
The high school coaches have been doing a fine job of it without help from any club coaches up until about 10 years ago.
Hogh School and College lacrosse didn't just start in the last 10-15 years.
But now the clubs convinced people to pay them big bucks for the same thing the the high school coaches were doing as part of their job for a long, long time.



You're a clown. Look at the #s. College Lacrosse recruiting has gone up 10 fold since the club teams have been in existence. 15 years ago 1 or 2 kids maybe got the nod to move to College ball, now 5-10 kids are getting that opportunity. Why do you think when you read an up and coming players bio it has a section that says Club Team? You are either a coach or an assistant with your opinion. Learn what's going on around you before making statements. A few HS coaches are good, but most are there for a paycheck and to give a select few opportunities. Oh and by the way check the last posters comments; HS coaches opening up their own clinics to rake in the $ they don't want club teams to get? These guys turned what was once a free sport to learn at the town level, now into their own personal money grab. Those guys are what's ruining the sport not club teams who you know going into it will cost money. Now High school coaches have Lacrosse companies with some BS initials and they bring their friends in to coach and everyone fills their piggy bank. Keep believing in them though, too funny.


You forget to take your pills. Are you really that blinded by all the club bs. I have been around this game for over 40years and am proud to call some of the best players to ever play the game my friends. FYI the big club phenomenon has been around for I believe 12 years and that's Express. There are others that have been around longer but they didn't take it to the next level. Before all these youth clubs there was North Hempstead, Harveys and a few others that fielded teams where ex college players played and that's where the Saints Lizards and other LI Pro and Semi Pro teams evolved from. As for the college recruiting scene before the clubs there were always good players and they were always found. The clubs used to be for the elite players but when it became a business and all businesses are in it to make money you have theses clubs selling the BS that this team is an AA team and that team is an A team and so on down the line. This is all to get people who are chasing the dream to shell out more and more money for more training for more privates and everything else under the sun. College coaches will always find the best players for their teams regardless of where they play Town ball or Travel. A stud is a stud on any field. So please go sell your Kool-Aid somewhere else. It might work on the uneducated and newbies but it doesn't work here.

As for coaches doing extra to make their own high school teams better isn't that developing their team. The more a team plays together the better the more cohesive they are. Yes it is a job and if they don't do well they lose that job. So now we say they are taking advantage of the players and parents. Well if they don't do the extra then the parents complain they are not doing enough and get them fired.


Thank you. Another person that can see through the hype.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/26/15 04:25 PM
Training is training. Shooting wallball and other types of skill training done by the right person and applied in game situations is all it takes for some. There are natural athletes and then there are those made into athletes. Not saying one is better or worse than the other. One tends to burn out and it's usually the latter of the two. I understand getting exposed to the right people is important but it used to not be about the money but the real love of the game. Mentors used to pass on their knowledge now businessmen pass it on for the all mighty $. That's why there is no honor left on the game reclassifying, pg years, hold backs etc. All about winning not the tradition.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/26/15 04:30 PM
Fortunately or unfortunately the hype opens up doors that just playing town ball will not afford. Times have changed for better or worse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/26/15 05:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fortunately or unfortunately the hype opens up doors that just playing town ball will not afford. Times have changed for better or worse.


But is the hype really necessary? My older boys graduated in 2010 and 2012 and both played in college, one for a D1 program and one for a D2 program and neither played club ball. My youngest is in high school now and not playing club ball either and I am sure he will find a good school and play lacrosse when he graduates.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/26/15 05:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fortunately or unfortunately the hype opens up doors that just playing town ball will not afford. Times have changed for better or worse.


But is the hype really necessary? My older boys graduated in 2010 and 2012 and both played in college, one for a D1 program and one for a D2 program and neither played club ball. My youngest is in high school now and not playing club ball either and I am sure he will find a good school and play lacrosse when he graduates.


he probably will especially with a legacy ahead of him. sounds like you are in a good district. some more than others need the club ball.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/26/15 06:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fortunately or unfortunately the hype opens up doors that just playing town ball will not afford. Times have changed for better or worse.


But is the hype really necessary? My older boys graduated in 2010 and 2012 and both played in college, one for a D1 program and one for a D2 program and neither played club ball. My youngest is in high school now and not playing club ball either and I am sure he will find a good school and play lacrosse when he graduates.


Your kids are the exception. The elite athletes, and most skilled players will always have opportunities to play, f they want to. However, most kids are B players and probably need the club teams to keep improving their game, and to get the most possible exposure, connections, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/26/15 06:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fortunately or unfortunately the hype opens up doors that just playing town ball will not afford. Times have changed for better or worse.


But is the hype really necessary? My older boys graduated in 2010 and 2012 and both played in college, one for a D1 program and one for a D2 program and neither played club ball. My youngest is in high school now and not playing club ball either and I am sure he will find a good school and play lacrosse when he graduates.


Don't be so sure. Lacrosse recruiting has changed dramatically since your son's graduated. Yes I said dramatically over the past 4 years.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/26/15 07:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fortunately or unfortunately the hype opens up doors that just playing town ball will not afford. Times have changed for better or worse.


But is the hype really necessary? My older boys graduated in 2010 and 2012 and both played in college, one for a D1 program and one for a D2 program and neither played club ball. My youngest is in high school now and not playing club ball either and I am sure he will find a good school and play lacrosse when he graduates.


Don't be so sure. Lacrosse recruiting has changed dramatically since your son's graduated. Yes I said dramatically over the past 4 years.


We will see. I am not really concerned with him playing for a "lacrosse powerhouse". More concerned with him getting into a good school of his choice that will ofer what he wants to study. He can play lacrosee anytime but his education is what is important. After college if he wants to continue to play for fun in a mens league no one is going to ask him what college he played for.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/26/15 11:05 PM
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by The Hop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's exactly what the problem is! Most high school coaches are political,and only help who they want to help. I heard there are some school districts that are being invested SE,SW, Manhasset, along with the AD's Regarding abuse of their power. How do they sleep at night? Why were they rehired? They are ruining the sport for these boys. These men are abusive! Over the years complaints have been put in and superintendents have left. Finally they are being investigated. Let's put the fun back in the game. If anyone gets the opportunity to watch a game take notes how the stats are padded for certain players.


Really?? What investigation?? What proof do you have??

Many, many HS coaches are outstanding and help kids with recruiting far more than clubs do.

Maybe we should investigate you. Your accusations are disgusting and possibly you should finally be revealed as the hypochondriac you are.

Take your meds and go watch a butterfly for a few hours. Relax.



such inspiring words of wisdom. There are some good high school coaches but they cant do it without club teams. The training pales in comparison.


Really??????
The high school coaches have been doing a fine job of it without help from any club coaches up until about 10 years ago.
Hogh School and College lacrosse didn't just start in the last 10-15 years.
But now the clubs convinced people to pay them big bucks for the same thing the the high school coaches were doing as part of their job for a long, long time.



You're a clown. Look at the #s. College Lacrosse recruiting has gone up 10 fold since the club teams have been in existence. 15 years ago 1 or 2 kids maybe got the nod to move to College ball, now 5-10 kids are getting that opportunity. Why do you think when you read an up and coming players bio it has a section that says Club Team? You are either a coach or an assistant with your opinion. Learn what's going on around you before making statements. A few HS coaches are good, but most are there for a paycheck and to give a select few opportunities. Oh and by the way check the last posters comments; HS coaches opening up their own clinics to rake in the $ they don't want club teams to get? These guys turned what was once a free sport to learn at the town level, now into their own personal money grab. Those guys are what's ruining the sport not club teams who you know going into it will cost money. Now High school coaches have Lacrosse companies with some BS initials and they bring their friends in to coach and everyone fills their piggy bank. Keep believing in them though, too funny.


You forget to take your pills. Are you really that blinded by all the club bs. I have been around this game for over 40years and am proud to call some of the best players to ever play the game my friends. FYI the big club phenomenon has been around for I believe 12 years and that's Express. There are others that have been around longer but they didn't take it to the next level. Before all these youth clubs there was North Hempstead, Harveys and a few others that fielded teams where ex college players played and that's where the Saints Lizards and other LI Pro and Semi Pro teams evolved from. As for the college recruiting scene before the clubs there were always good players and they were always found. The clubs used to be for the elite players but when it became a business and all businesses are in it to make money you have theses clubs selling the BS that this team is an AA team and that team is an A team and so on down the line. This is all to get people who are chasing the dream to shell out more and more money for more training for more privates and everything else under the sun. College coaches will always find the best players for their teams regardless of where they play Town ball or Travel. A stud is a stud on any field. So please go sell your Kool-Aid somewhere else. It might work on the uneducated and newbies but it doesn't work here.

As for coaches doing extra to make their own high school teams better isn't that developing their team. The more a team plays together the better the more cohesive they are. Yes it is a job and if they don't do well they lose that job. So now we say they are taking advantage of the players and parents. Well if they don't do the extra then the parents complain they are not doing enough and get them fired.


Thank you. This is a very polished and accurate read on the evolution and current state of lacrosse.

BTW, nothing can replace hours of wall ball, miles run, and sprints gutted out. Last time I checked, you don't need a coach for any of that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/27/15 01:27 AM
Question. Who are all of these kids being held back in 7th-9th grade? There is no way they are in public school. Public schools would never let that happen. How many catholic schools or other private schools are there absorbing all of these holdbacks? Doesn't seem like these numbers add up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/27/15 02:16 AM
[quote=Anonymous]Question. Who are all of these kids being held back in 7th-9th grade? There is no way they are in public school. Public schools would never let that happen. How many catholic schools or other private schools are there absorbing all of these holdbacks? Doesn't seem like these numbers add up. [/quote

Here on LI it is k-8 privates. They are happy to do it. Such as St. Pats, Laurel Hill, and plenty of others. Fortunately there are not a lot of parents that choose to holdback their kids here. For most it would not really matter anyway bease there is a reason they are not that good.. I respect more the kids who get recruited and then decide to pg. Most get full rides to 40k plus pg schools lIke Deerfield, Salisbury, etc. That makes a lot more sense!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/27/15 03:16 AM
Public schools "let it happen" more than you would think
Parents go to thru proper Chanel's and claim that little Johnny or Gina are not ready for next level of school
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/29/15 02:57 AM
good article today in CNN money about Professiona lacrosse.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/28/sma...ob_homepage_money_pool&iid=obnetwork
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 11/26/15 12:17 AM
OK, what did Joel Tinney do that constituted a "violation of NCAA rules"? Can it really be that bad that they can't give any details? Knowing the NCAA, he probably was paid $50 to work a camp over the summer. Without any details we are forced to assume the worst. Come on, man.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 11/26/15 02:28 AM
How about Danowski and his "all parents are crazy" rants. We should all " just let the kids play" stop putting so much pressure on them to constantly be training, etc.

And yet what is the good coach doing this week me but running money grab group clinic at the Hub this holiday weekend.

Can you say "hypocrite"?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 11/26/15 04:11 AM
All club teams have their negatives, but how about a club team that has kids fly in, team never practices, and the owner showcases those kids and those that pay his consulting fee? I say bogus.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 11/26/15 11:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about Danowski and his "all parents are crazy" rants. We should all " just let the kids play" stop putting so much pressure on them to constantly be training, etc.

And yet what is the good coach doing this week me but running money grab group clinic at the Hub this holiday weekend.

Can you say "hypocrite"?


Haha, yea, saw that! I believe he is actually in violation of US Lacrosse rules. Players and coaches of US Lacrosse teams are forbidden to advertise private clinics stating the are affiliated with the organization.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 11/27/15 06:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about Danowski and his "all parents are crazy" rants. We should all " just let the kids play" stop putting so much pressure on them to constantly be training, etc.

And yet what is the good coach doing this week me but running money grab group clinic at the Hub this holiday weekend.

Can you say "hypocrite"?


Haha, yea, saw that! I believe he is actually in violation of US Lacrosse rules. Players and coaches of US Lacrosse teams are forbidden to advertise private clinics stating the are affiliated with the organization.


You better call up and rat him out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 11/30/15 10:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All club teams have their negatives, but how about a club team that has kids fly in, team never practices, and the owner showcases those kids and those that pay his consulting fee? I say bogus.


I am the father of a 7th grader (2021). My kid was born in late 2001 and is turning 14 next week. He has kids on his town team that just turned 12. He is a young man playing with boys. He's average size for his age but with the onset of puberty you can just see how much more athletically developed he is. His age alone allows him to be more dominant without necessarily being the kid with the best stick. He was held back before kindergarten and again when he moved to a private school this year (for academic reasons). Objectively it's not really fair but he is a 2021 and that's where he has to play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 11/30/15 11:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]All club teams have their negatives, but how about a club team that has kids fly in, team never practices, and the owner showcases those kids and those that pay his consulting fee? I say bogus.


I am the father of a 7th grader (2021). My kid was born in late 2001 and is turning 14 next week. He has kids on his town team that just turned 12. He is a young man playing with boys. He's average size for his age but with the onset of puberty you can just see how much more athletically developed he is. His age alone allows him to be more dominant without necessarily being the kid with the best stick. He was held back before kindergarten and again when he moved to a private school this year (for academic reasons). Objectively it's not really fair but he is a 2021 and that's where he has to play. [/quote

So what's your complaint? I'm sure everyone reading this post with a 12 year old 2021 son now has something else to [lacrosse] about.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 11/30/15 11:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All club teams have their negatives, but how about a club team that has kids fly in, team never practices, and the owner showcases those kids and those that pay his consulting fee? I say bogus.


I am the father of a 7th grader (2021). My kid was born in late 2001 and is turning 14 next week. He has kids on his town team that just turned 12. He is a young man playing with boys. He's average size for his age but with the onset of puberty you can just see how much more athletically developed he is. His age alone allows him to be more dominant without necessarily being the kid with the best stick. He was held back before kindergarten and again when he moved to a private school this year (for academic reasons). Objectively it's not really fair but he is a 2021 and that's where he has to play.


No 7th graders should be turning 14 next week. My 8th grader does not turn 14 till next summer. The only thing you are is a cheater!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 11/30/15 11:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All club teams have their negatives, but how about a club team that has kids fly in, team never practices, and the owner showcases those kids and those that pay his consulting fee? I say bogus.


I am the father of a 7th grader (2021). My kid was born in late 2001 and is turning 14 next week. He has kids on his town team that just turned 12. He is a young man playing with boys. He's average size for his age but with the onset of puberty you can just see how much more athletically developed he is. His age alone allows him to be more dominant without necessarily being the kid with the best stick. He was held back before kindergarten and again when he moved to a private school this year (for academic reasons). Objectively it's not really fair but he is a 2021 and that's where he has to play.


Not sure if you are for real. But what you say is the exact reason why it is done. Average to slightly above average held back a year or two .Turn above average at youth level. And with the extra playing time and instruction the average player on age might just become a little above most on age kids when he gets to HS. Good strategy if you want an advantage most dont get.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 12/01/15 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All club teams have their negatives, but how about a club team that has kids fly in, team never practices, and the owner showcases those kids and those that pay his consulting fee? I say bogus.


I am the father of a 7th grader (2021). My kid was born in late 2001 and is turning 14 next week. He has kids on his town team that just turned 12. He is a young man playing with boys. He's average size for his age but with the onset of puberty you can just see how much more athletically developed he is. His age alone allows him to be more dominant without necessarily being the kid with the best stick. He was held back before kindergarten and again when he moved to a private school this year (for academic reasons). Objectively it's not really fair but he is a 2021 and that's where he has to play.


No 7th graders should be turning 14 next week. My 8th grader does not turn 14 till next summer. The only thing you are is a cheater!


And so are quite a few others out there. It's not new - it's been going on for years. Look at the Stanwicks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 12/01/15 04:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All club teams have their negatives, but how about a club team that has kids fly in, team never practices, and the owner showcases those kids and those that pay his consulting fee? I say bogus.


I am the father of a 7th grader (2021). My kid was born in late 2001 and is turning 14 next week. He has kids on his town team that just turned 12. He is a young man playing with boys. He's average size for his age but with the onset of puberty you can just see how much more athletically developed he is. His age alone allows him to be more dominant without necessarily being the kid with the best stick. He was held back before kindergarten and again when he moved to a private school this year (for academic reasons). Objectively it's not really fair but he is a 2021 and that's where he has to play.


No 7th graders should be turning 14 next week. My 8th grader does not turn 14 till next summer. The only thing you are is a cheater!


And so are quite a few others out there. It's not new - it's been going on for years. Look at the Stanwicks.
Guess that makes it ok
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 12/01/15 05:03 PM
The double holdback (start kindergarten late, than repeat a grade at some point later) is common among many wealthy families. Middle class and lower families have financial pressures making sure they send their kids to kindergarten on time, and can't afford the extra year of private school tuition later on. Forget about lax - being older gives them an edge academically and socially, which helps them get into the better schools, etc. Than once they graduate from a top college, this fact justifies the nepotism that gets them a plum job.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 12/06/15 07:39 PM
US Soccer just went to calendar year to match up with the world. It sure would be nice.............
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 12/06/15 10:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
US Soccer just went to calendar year to match up with the world. It sure would be nice.............


One of the few things the soccer leagues do right is issuing validated player cards to avoid the cheating that runs rampant in lacrosse
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 12/10/15 05:48 PM
I love the sport of LAX. But holding back your kid for 2yrs or playing down for a win. Then handing that kid a stick and allowing him to check is completely disgraceful.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 12/11/15 02:07 AM
And unfortunately it will probably take something tragic to happen by a kid big for his age and 2 years older to a kid small for age and 2 years younger before people would really do something about changing the age from graduation year to birth year and to require stricter player identification measures.
Posted By: Gg1j18 Re: Complaint Department - 12/11/15 02:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And unfortunately it will probably take something tragic to happen by a kid big for his age and 2 years older to a kid small for age and 2 years younger before people would really do something about changing the age from graduation year to birth year and to require stricter player identification measures.


It very simple all travel teams need to have player passes just as they do for travel soccer
Why lacrosse doesn't have this policy ?
The passes have player pic - team - organization - date of birth
Simple yet effective
Posted By: Gg1j18 Re: Complaint Department - 12/11/15 02:55 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
US Soccer just went to calendar year to match up with the world. It sure would be nice.............


One of the few things the soccer leagues do right is issuing validated player cards to avoid the cheating that runs rampant in lacrosse


Right on
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Complaint Department - 12/11/15 02:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
US Soccer just went to calendar year to match up with the world. It sure would be nice.............


One of the few things the soccer leagues do right is issuing validated player cards to avoid the cheating that runs rampant in lacrosse


One of the few things?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 12/11/15 03:27 PM
I really feel strongly that tournament organizers should offer full service massage tables and services and manicure/pedicure booths. I mean come on, we are hanging around those fields all day long and could use a release and another activity. Think of the $$ these establishments would bring in!
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Complaint Department - 12/11/15 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I really feel strongly that tournament organizers should offer full service massage tables and services and manicure/pedicure booths. I mean come on, we are hanging around those fields all day long and could use a release and another activity. Think of the $$ these establishments would bring in!


Can we also have eyebrow threading? I am always late getting mine done.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 12/11/15 04:08 PM
hear, hear!. Awesome idea! Happy Endings and free Cup of Coffee too!....
Posted By: Gg1j18 Re: Complaint Department - 12/11/15 04:09 PM
Maybe a barber chair and hot towel shave
Lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 12/11/15 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The double holdback (start kindergarten late, than repeat a grade at some point later) is common among many wealthy families. Middle class and lower families have financial pressures making sure they send their kids to kindergarten on time, and can't afford the extra year of private school tuition later on. Forget about lax - being older gives them an edge academically and socially, which helps them get into the better schools, etc. Than once they graduate from a top college, this fact justifies the nepotism that gets them a plum job.


The rule at most private school leagues is that you can't be 19 to start the school year (8/31) and still be eligible. Normal kids typically enter their senior year at 17, so most of these kids can only be held back 1 year without violating the league rules.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/14/16 12:13 PM
It was cool that ESPN devoted so much time to Hampton's new D1 program, but why didn't they show the game? They already had the cameras and announcers in place. Weird.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/14/16 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was cool that ESPN devoted so much time to Hampton's new D1 program, but why didn't they show the game? They already had the cameras and announcers in place. Weird.


Not weird, we've all seen the story is bigger than the game. Unfortunately, The best thing they did for Hampton was not show the game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/14/16 05:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And unfortunately it will probably take something tragic to happen by a kid big for his age and 2 years older to a kid small for age and 2 years younger before people would really do something about changing the age from graduation year to birth year and to require stricter player identification measures.

I'm new to this forum and I just don't understand USLacrosse not going to an age based system. I've seen soccer mentioned but even in baseball , where it is age based, talented kids are expected to play up. My son is an undersized 2020 Attack whose westchester club team added 5 reclassifieds this year. (3 of which are a foot taller and 60-70 pounds heavier and TWO years older).
Despite his passion for the game, he used to pride himself on the hits he'd take in front of the crease while creating a goal, but now quite frankly, he sheepishly admits he's not sure how much more he can take.( There are only so many Jordan Wolf motivational videos a father can show)
And I'm sorry, but where is the 'talent' of a 2 year older, 6ft 165 pound Middie taking the ball from one end to the other? And until US Lacrosse re-thinks it's grade based system, and parents are under the impression college coaches are recruiting at the 8th/9th grade then it will only get worse, until like you say something tragic happens at this 8th grade level.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/14/16 06:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And unfortunately it will probably take something tragic to happen by a kid big for his age and 2 years older to a kid small for age and 2 years younger before people would really do something about changing the age from graduation year to birth year and to require stricter player identification measures.

I'm new to this forum and I just don't understand USLacrosse not going to an age based system. I've seen soccer mentioned but even in baseball , where it is age based, talented kids are expected to play up. My son is an undersized 2020 Attack whose westchester club team added 5 reclassifieds this year. (3 of which are a foot taller and 60-70 pounds heavier and TWO years older).
Despite his passion for the game, he used to pride himself on the hits he'd take in front of the crease while creating a goal, but now quite frankly, he sheepishly admits he's not sure how much more he can take.( There are only so many Jordan Wolf motivational videos a father can show)
And I'm sorry, but where is the 'talent' of a 2 year older, 6ft 165 pound Middie taking the ball from one end to the other? And until US Lacrosse re-thinks it's grade based system, and parents are under the impression college coaches are recruiting at the 8th/9th grade then it will only get worse, until like you say something tragic happens at this 8th grade level.


US Lacrosse sets guidelines but does not have control over whether clubs, league & tournaments organize by grade or age. The do have a set of "best practices" that recommend age based guidelines with preference for single year (u11,u12,u13) if there's enough. You can criticize them for not have the strength or leadership to mandate age guidelines but they are on record as supporting age rather than grade for youth lacrosse. It's club operators that decided to change to grade and the tournaments adjusted. Tournaments make money if they attract a full field of teams. When there is demand for age based teams tournaments will adjust accordingly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/14/16 07:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And unfortunately it will probably take something tragic to happen by a kid big for his age and 2 years older to a kid small for age and 2 years younger before people would really do something about changing the age from graduation year to birth year and to require stricter player identification measures.

I'm new to this forum and I just don't understand USLacrosse not going to an age based system. I've seen soccer mentioned but even in baseball , where it is age based, talented kids are expected to play up. My son is an undersized 2020 Attack whose westchester club team added 5 reclassifieds this year. (3 of which are a foot taller and 60-70 pounds heavier and TWO years older).
Despite his passion for the game, he used to pride himself on the hits he'd take in front of the crease while creating a goal, but now quite frankly, he sheepishly admits he's not sure how much more he can take.( There are only so many Jordan Wolf motivational videos a father can show)
And I'm sorry, but where is the 'talent' of a 2 year older, 6ft 165 pound Middie taking the ball from one end to the other? And until US Lacrosse re-thinks it's grade based system, and parents are under the impression college coaches are recruiting at the 8th/9th grade then it will only get worse, until like you say something tragic happens at this 8th grade level.


US Lacrosse sets guidelines but does not have control over whether clubs, league & tournaments organize by grade or age. The do have a set of "best practices" that recommend age based guidelines with preference for single year (u11,u12,u13) if there's enough. You can criticize them for not have the strength or leadership to mandate age guidelines but they are on record as supporting age rather than grade for youth lacrosse. It's club operators that decided to change to grade and the tournaments adjusted. Tournaments make money if they attract a full field of teams. When there is demand for age based teams tournaments will adjust accordingly.


US Lacrosse has been and remains WEAK and will never ever mandate changes to club lacrosse. Soccer just mandated roster age changes starting next year and they have a ton more kids to deal with. US Lacrosse should set some sort of national guidelines on age and require legitimate player cards but we all know it will never ever happen and that is BS!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/14/16 07:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And unfortunately it will probably take something tragic to happen by a kid big for his age and 2 years older to a kid small for age and 2 years younger before people would really do something about changing the age from graduation year to birth year and to require stricter player identification measures.

I'm new to this forum and I just don't understand USLacrosse not going to an age based system. I've seen soccer mentioned but even in baseball , where it is age based, talented kids are expected to play up. My son is an undersized 2020 Attack whose westchester club team added 5 reclassifieds this year. (3 of which are a foot taller and 60-70 pounds heavier and TWO years older).
Despite his passion for the game, he used to pride himself on the hits he'd take in front of the crease while creating a goal, but now quite frankly, he sheepishly admits he's not sure how much more he can take.( There are only so many Jordan Wolf motivational videos a father can show)
And I'm sorry, but where is the 'talent' of a 2 year older, 6ft 165 pound Middie taking the ball from one end to the other? And until US Lacrosse re-thinks it's grade based system, and parents are under the impression college coaches are recruiting at the 8th/9th grade then it will only get worse, until like you say something tragic happens at this 8th grade level.


US Lacrosse sets guidelines but does not have control over whether clubs, league & tournaments organize by grade or age. The do have a set of "best practices" that recommend age based guidelines with preference for single year (u11,u12,u13) if there's enough. You can criticize them for not have the strength or leadership to mandate age guidelines but they are on record as supporting age rather than grade for youth lacrosse. It's club operators that decided to change to grade and the tournaments adjusted. Tournaments make money if they attract a full field of teams. When there is demand for age based teams tournaments will adjust accordingly.


Does pretty much everyone still use US Lacrosse insurance? Is that no longer the case?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/14/16 08:00 PM
Agree. And so that begs the question what is the point of mandating a US Lacrosse membership and paying a fee to a virtually powerless organization?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/14/16 08:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree. And so that begs the question what is the point of mandating a US Lacrosse membership and paying a fee to a virtually powerless organization?


It's just about filler the coffers. They are a useless, gutless governing body. Par for the course. The whole sport is just about recruitment to play in college. They are not for building the game for the masses
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/14/16 11:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree. And so that begs the question what is the point of mandating a US Lacrosse membership and paying a fee to a virtually powerless organization?


It's just about filler the coffers. They are a useless, gutless governing body. Par for the course. The whole sport is just about recruitment to play in college. They are not for building the game for the masses


It will be interesting to see what happens when USL has their huge complex in MD completed and starts hosting true national championships every year. Grade based? Age based with an allowable window (summer bdays)?, hard Jan 1 or Sep 1 cutoffs?, or the stupid U13, U11, U9 crap they push now?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/14/16 11:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree. And so that begs the question what is the point of mandating a US Lacrosse membership and paying a fee to a virtually powerless organization?


It's just about filler the coffers. They are a useless, gutless governing body. Par for the course. The whole sport is just about recruitment to play in college. They are not for building the game for the masses


It will be interesting to see what happens when USL has their huge complex in MD completed and starts hosting true national championships every year. Grade based? Age based with an allowable window (summer bdays)?, hard Jan 1 or Sep 1 cutoffs?, or the stupid U13, U11, U9 crap they push now?


USL facility plans just have one field. Don't believe intent is to hold tournaments there but to be able to host national team tryouts and training
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/15/16 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree. And so that begs the question what is the point of mandating a US Lacrosse membership and paying a fee to a virtually powerless organization?


It's just about filler the coffers. They are a useless, gutless governing body. Par for the course. The whole sport is just about recruitment to play in college. They are not for building the game for the masses


It will be interesting to see what happens when USL has their huge complex in MD completed and starts hosting true national championships every year. Grade based? Age based with an allowable window (summer bdays)?, hard Jan 1 or Sep 1 cutoffs?, or the stupid U13, U11, U9 crap they push now?


USL facility plans just have one field. Don't believe intent is to hold tournaments there but to be able to host national team tryouts and training


For now.... They have 12 acres to work with.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/15/16 03:29 PM
Anyone that runs tournaments will continue to do what the clubs want them to do because the clubs register the teams. The business model will never ever change. Club's run the sport.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/23/16 04:42 PM
How is it allowed that coaches and assistant coaches can accept money to train players on their own team? Isn't this a glaring conflict of interest? Especially when those players are getting preferential treatment?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/23/16 05:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is it allowed that coaches and assistant coaches can accept money to train players on their own team? Isn't this a glaring conflict of interest? Especially when those players are getting preferential treatment?

BM did it on Honey Badgers.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/23/16 06:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is it allowed that coaches and assistant coaches can accept money to train players on their own team? Isn't this a glaring conflict of interest? Especially when those players are getting preferential treatment?

BM did it on Honey Badgers.


Travel is understandable, but I'm referring to Varsity coaches/assistant coaches. AD's let this persist?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/23/16 06:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is it allowed that coaches and assistant coaches can accept money to train players on their own team? Isn't this a glaring conflict of interest? Especially when those players are getting preferential treatment?


Not really. What people decide to do on their own time is nobody else's business. If you want your kid to be trained on the side with your coach just approach the coach and stop complaining about it and whining
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/23/16 06:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is it allowed that coaches and assistant coaches can accept money to train players on their own team? Isn't this a glaring conflict of interest? Especially when those players are getting preferential treatment?

BM did it on Honey Badgers.


Travel is understandable, but I'm referring to Varsity coaches/assistant coaches. AD's let this persist?


Can't tell people what to do with their private time. The only thing an AD could do is not allow the coach to use school facilities. If you don't agree with it, it does not make it wrong or illegal.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/23/16 07:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is it allowed that coaches and assistant coaches can accept money to train players on their own team? Isn't this a glaring conflict of interest? Especially when those players are getting preferential treatment?

BM did it on Honey Badgers.


Travel is understandable, but I'm referring to Varsity coaches/assistant coaches. AD's let this persist?


Can't tell people what to do with their private time. The only thing an AD could do is not allow the coach to use school facilities. If you don't agree with it, it does not make it wrong or illegal.


Immoral, absolutely. Parents are essentially buying playing time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/24/16 02:06 PM
Actually, I'm fairly certain that if the coach is receiving a paycheck from the district he's not allowed to charge to work with the kids that he's already being paid to work with.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/24/16 02:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually, I'm fairly certain that if the coach is receiving a paycheck from the district he's not allowed to charge to work with the kids that he's already being paid to work with.


It is a conflict of interest.
Posted By: America's Game Re: Complaint Department - 02/24/16 03:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually, I'm fairly certain that if the coach is receiving a paycheck from the district he's not allowed to charge to work with the kids that he's already being paid to work with.


It is a conflict of interest.


Sorry no law against it. Coach can do whatever he wants in his free time. Parents can pay whatever they want to whomever they want. So no laws being broken.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/24/16 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually, I'm fairly certain that if the coach is receiving a paycheck from the district he's not allowed to charge to work with the kids that he's already being paid to work with.


Conflict of interest, immoral, etc.. Those are opinions not laws. I have never heard of any law or any situation where a coach got in trouble for doing "private" lessons.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/24/16 04:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually, I'm fairly certain that if the coach is receiving a paycheck from the district he's not allowed to charge to work with the kids that he's already being paid to work with.


It is a conflict of interest.


I don't agree with this practice and I think ethically it's a conflict of interest. But some might view this as paying your science teacher to come to your house to tutor you. I don't think there are any rules against that
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/24/16 05:09 PM
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually, I'm fairly certain that if the coach is receiving a paycheck from the district he's not allowed to charge to work with the kids that he's already being paid to work with.


It is a conflict of interest.


Sorry no law against it. Coach can do whatever he wants in his free time. Parents can pay whatever they want to whomever they want. So no laws being broken.


I'm not talking about breaking the law; however, it's more than likely against district policy. Considering that teachers in that particular district are not allowed to charge students to tutor them (because they're already being paid to teach them), the same will hold true for coaches. Compound that with the fact that the players in question are underclassmen being brought up to play for his varsity team, I think there is a case to be made against it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/25/16 07:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually, I'm fairly certain that if the coach is receiving a paycheck from the district he's not allowed to charge to work with the kids that he's already being paid to work with.


Conflict of interest, immoral, etc.. Those are opinions not laws. I have never heard of any law or any situation where a coach got in trouble for doing "private" lessons.


Really, you think that it is ok for a coach at a public HS to get paid directly by parents? Depending on how you want to look at it, it is either bribery or extortion.

If you do not see a problem with HS coaches from public schools operating for profit programs where they strongly encourage/coerce kids/parents to pay them to play for them you are not being honest.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/25/16 12:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually, I'm fairly certain that if the coach is receiving a paycheck from the district he's not allowed to charge to work with the kids that he's already being paid to work with.


Conflict of interest, immoral, etc.. Those are opinions not laws. I have never heard of any law or any situation where a coach got in trouble for doing "private" lessons.


Really, you think that it is ok for a coach at a public HS to get paid directly by parents? Depending on how you want to look at it, it is either bribery or extortion.

If you do not see a problem with HS coaches from public schools operating for profit programs where they strongly encourage/coerce kids/parents to pay them to play for them you are not being honest.


I wonder how may paranoid varsity coaches read these posts and assume it is themselves being written about
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/25/16 12:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually, I'm fairly certain that if the coach is receiving a paycheck from the district he's not allowed to charge to work with the kids that he's already being paid to work with.


Conflict of interest, immoral, etc.. Those are opinions not laws. I have never heard of any law or any situation where a coach got in trouble for doing "private" lessons.


Really, you think that it is ok for a coach at a public HS to get paid directly by parents? Depending on how you want to look at it, it is either bribery or extortion.

If you do not see a problem with HS coaches from public schools operating for profit programs where they strongly encourage/coerce kids/parents to pay them to play for them you are not being honest.


Agreed. This was one of the contributing factors for a boys coach losing his job at a local district, though he was running a travel club. Now the girl's assistant coach is doing it. It seems fishy that parents can put upwards of $1000 in a coaches pocket and, in an unprecedented move, get brought up to the varsity team. It's disconcerting at the very least, grounds for dismissal at most.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/25/16 01:30 PM
....and then there are the travel program "extras" like over priced uniforms, the referrals to local gyms for team workouts, new helmets, winter practices the coach never deigns to attend himself but rather leaves to suck up daddy coaches and on and on it goes..:And let's not even get started on the fundraiser which gets held right before tryouts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/25/16 02:36 PM
You guys are all nuts or I am. Ok I am, I know. If you want to win and have a serious team with a good experience you need to do the extras. You do it for your son and his friends who have become an extension of your family. You do it so they have the experience of their lives. So what if a coach gets a little extra scratch, do you think he should just volunteer his time. Now you may say everyone cant pay them. Sure, but we know who those are and it takes a village and it takes sacrifices. You are only as good as you surround yourself with.

I know I am partially nuts. I was willing as a parent to do what I could to help the team. But the administration coaches and parents talked a big game but when push came to shove no one really wanted to do anything extra.

So what happens the better kids leave, or the parents with the means leave. You complains that district make you do things extra, well yes if you want to be a serious team you should want to do the extra, if not I guess you are okay with mediocrity!

(I am not saying people don't take advantage of situations but it takes a village of parents coaches and administration working for a common goal. Everyone knowing their role because each does have a role to play)

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/25/16 02:45 PM
Ok so teachers tutoring is an issue also. People get a life. Sometimes you just need to relax. It's mommy and daddys like the ones above that have made youth sports on Long Island horrible. Stop watch watching, everyone gets a trophy, crybabies. Wah wah wah. No wonder there are so many self entitled brats running around. You have created these little monsters.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/25/16 03:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually, I'm fairly certain that if the coach is receiving a paycheck from the district he's not allowed to charge to work with the kids that he's already being paid to work with.


Conflict of interest, immoral, etc.. Those are opinions not laws. I have never heard of any law or any situation where a coach got in trouble for doing "private" lessons.


Really, you think that it is ok for a coach at a public HS to get paid directly by parents? Depending on how you want to look at it, it is either bribery or extortion.

If you do not see a problem with HS coaches from public schools operating for profit programs where they strongly encourage/coerce kids/parents to pay them to play for them you are not being honest.


First thing first I am being honest. I feel your being dishonest. In a court of law facts and laws are what prevail. No where is there a law that says what you are saying. It's your opinion. Show me where it written that it's against the law. You are the type of person that just assumes if it doesn't sit well with you it's against the law. I sit on a number of boards and steering committees and it's hysterical to have people come before them with complaints that laws are being broken and xyz needs to stop. Then when handed and presented with documentation and law books showing they are incorrect with their claim they start accusing there's collusion and the boards paid off etc. You sure you haven't been before one of my boards.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/25/16 03:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually, I'm fairly certain that if the coach is receiving a paycheck from the district he's not allowed to charge to work with the kids that he's already being paid to work with.


Conflict of interest, immoral, etc.. Those are opinions not laws. I have never heard of any law or any situation where a coach got in trouble for doing "private" lessons.


Really, you think that it is ok for a coach at a public HS to get paid directly by parents? Depending on how you want to look at it, it is either bribery or extortion.

If you do not see a problem with HS coaches from public schools operating for profit programs where they strongly encourage/coerce kids/parents to pay them to play for them you are not being honest.


Agreed. This was one of the contributing factors for a boys coach losing his job at a local district, though he was running a travel club. Now the girl's assistant coach is doing it. It seems fishy that parents can put upwards of $1000 in a coaches pocket and, in an unprecedented move, get brought up to the varsity team. It's disconcerting at the very least, grounds for dismissal at most.




Nope board members overstepped their bounds in the case you are referring to. Some personal stuff played out in one of the most recent coach dismissals. Not the coach running a travel team. Uninformed and faceless claims on the internet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/25/16 03:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually, I'm fairly certain that if the coach is receiving a paycheck from the district he's not allowed to charge to work with the kids that he's already being paid to work with.


Conflict of interest, immoral, etc.. Those are opinions not laws. I have never heard of any law or any situation where a coach got in trouble for doing "private" lessons.


Really, you think that it is ok for a coach at a public HS to get paid directly by parents? Depending on how you want to look at it, it is either bribery or extortion.

If you do not see a problem with HS coaches from public schools operating for profit programs where they strongly encourage/coerce kids/parents to pay them to play for them you are not being honest.


Agreed. This was one of the contributing factors for a boys coach losing his job at a local district, though he was running a travel club. Now the girl's assistant coach is doing it. It seems fishy that parents can put upwards of $1000 in a coaches pocket and, in an unprecedented move, get brought up to the varsity team. It's disconcerting at the very least, grounds for dismissal at most.




Nope board members overstepped their bounds in the case you are referring to. Some personal stuff played out in one of the most recent coach dismissals. Not the coach running a travel team. Uninformed and faceless claims on the internet.


And he wasn't flat out taking cash from parents and promising things like the girl's assistant. That's inexcusable.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/25/16 03:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually, I'm fairly certain that if the coach is receiving a paycheck from the district he's not allowed to charge to work with the kids that he's already being paid to work with.


Conflict of interest, immoral, etc.. Those are opinions not laws. I have never heard of any law or any situation where a coach got in trouble for doing "private" lessons.


Really, you think that it is ok for a coach at a public HS to get paid directly by parents? Depending on how you want to look at it, it is either bribery or extortion.

If you do not see a problem with HS coaches from public schools operating for profit programs where they strongly encourage/coerce kids/parents to pay them to play for them you are not being honest.


Agreed. This was one of the contributing factors for a boys coach losing his job at a local district, though he was running a travel club. Now the girl's assistant coach is doing it. It seems fishy that parents can put upwards of $1000 in a coaches pocket and, in an unprecedented move, get brought up to the varsity team. It's disconcerting at the very least, grounds for dismissal at most.




Nope board members overstepped their bounds in the case you are referring to. Some personal stuff played out in one of the most recent coach dismissals. Not the coach running a travel team. Uninformed and faceless claims on the internet.


And he wasn't flat out taking cash from parents and promising things like the girl's assistant. That's inexcusable.

Hearsay
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/25/16 04:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually, I'm fairly certain that if the coach is receiving a paycheck from the district he's not allowed to charge to work with the kids that he's already being paid to work with.


Really, you think that it is ok for a coach at a public HS to get paid directly by parents? Depending on how you want to look at it, it is either bribery or extortion.

If you do not see a problem with HS coaches from public schools operating for profit programs where they strongly encourage/coerce kids/parents to pay them to play for them you are not being honest.


Agreed. This was one of the contributing factors for a boys coach losing his job at a local district, though he was running a travel club. Now the girl's assistant coach is doing it. It seems fishy that parents can put upwards of $1000 in a coaches pocket and, in an unprecedented move, get brought up to the varsity team. It's disconcerting at the very least, grounds for dismissal at most.




Nope board members overstepped their bounds in the case you are referring to. Some personal stuff played out in one of the most recent coach dismissals. Not the coach running a travel team. Uninformed and faceless claims on the internet.


And he wasn't flat out taking cash from parents and promising things like the girl's assistant. That's inexcusable.

Hearsay


Not hearsay at all. From the horses mouth. He was getting paid to train one player and when the father of the other player found out he basically forced him to train her too. And yes, they pay him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/25/16 07:16 PM
So the parent forced the issue and forced the coach to train their kid? This is the coaches fault, how?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/26/16 02:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so teachers tutoring is an issue also. People get a life. Sometimes you just need to relax. It's mommy and daddys like the ones above that have made youth sports on Long Island horrible. Stop watch watching, everyone gets a trophy, crybabies. Wah wah wah. No wonder there are so many self entitled brats running around. You have created these little monsters.


Yeah, what's the big deal? I would love it if a couple of the math teachers in our district got together and started a tutoring business. It would be even better if they marketed their business exclusively to the students who are in their classes. Better still if they were able to create the perception that not paying to take part in their program would be frowned upon by the teachers. Parents could line up to pay. Who cares if the parents are holding their nose as they write the checks? Most of the parents can afford it and they will view it as the cost of doing business. What a great business model. No need to compete for business just have the parents believe that paying for the service will be appreciated by the teachers.

And so we continue to pay.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/26/16 04:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so teachers tutoring is an issue also. People get a life. Sometimes you just need to relax. It's mommy and daddys like the ones above that have made youth sports on Long Island horrible. Stop watch watching, everyone gets a trophy, crybabies. Wah wah wah. No wonder there are so many self entitled brats running around. You have created these little monsters.


Yeah, what's the big deal? I would love it if a couple of the math teachers in our district got together and started a tutoring business. It would be even better if they marketed their business exclusively to the students who are in their classes. Better still if they were able to create the perception that not paying to take part in their program would be frowned upon by the teachers. Parents could line up to pay. Who cares if the parents are holding their nose as they write the checks? Most of the parents can afford it and they will view it as the cost of doing business. What a great business model. No need to compete for business just have the parents believe that paying for the service will be appreciated by the teachers.

And so we continue to pay.



I would happily pay to have the teachers my son has tutor him on the side. But only if they do not tutor all of them. Because Then the teacher could be holding back in the school classroom - that's would be wrong. What I want is the extra!!! The extra that will get my kid ahead.

Be it his teacher who knows him and knows where she will be directing her lessons or another tutor who knows him and the direction of the subject... I don't care, let me chose don't tell me the best option for my child is no long an option. Who do you think you are to tell me what to do with my kid!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/26/16 06:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so teachers tutoring is an issue also. People get a life. Sometimes you just need to relax. It's mommy and daddys like the ones above that have made youth sports on Long Island horrible. Stop watch watching, everyone gets a trophy, crybabies. Wah wah wah. No wonder there are so many self entitled brats running around. You have created these little monsters.


Yeah, what's the big deal? I would love it if a couple of the math teachers in our district got together and started a tutoring business. It would be even better if they marketed their business exclusively to the students who are in their classes. Better still if they were able to create the perception that not paying to take part in their program would be frowned upon by the teachers. Parents could line up to pay. Who cares if the parents are holding their nose as they write the checks? Most of the parents can afford it and they will view it as the cost of doing business. What a great business model. No need to compete for business just have the parents believe that paying for the service will be appreciated by the teachers.

And so we continue to pay.



I would happily pay to have the teachers my son has tutor him on the side. But only if they do not tutor all of them. Because Then the teacher could be holding back in the school classroom - that's would be wrong. What I want is the extra!!! The extra that will get my kid ahead.

Be it his teacher who knows him and knows where she will be directing her lessons or another tutor who knows him and the direction of the subject... I don't care, let me chose don't tell me the best option for my child is no long an option. Who do you think you are to tell me what to do with my kid!!!


Wow. You're not very bright. There is an obvious conflict of interest. In the teacher/tutor example, are the tutored kids being given preferential grades because the parents are paying the teacher? Are the kids who aren't paying to be tutored given worse grades/less class time attention, after school attention. Pay to play ... Pay to get a good grade etc. If you can't see the problem with it, you are dense.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/29/16 08:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so teachers tutoring is an issue also. People get a life. Sometimes you just need to relax. It's mommy and daddys like the ones above that have made youth sports on Long Island horrible. Stop watch watching, everyone gets a trophy, crybabies. Wah wah wah. No wonder there are so many self entitled brats running around. You have created these little monsters.


Yeah, what's the big deal? I would love it if a couple of the math teachers in our district got together and started a tutoring business. It would be even better if they marketed their business exclusively to the students who are in their classes. Better still if they were able to create the perception that not paying to take part in their program would be frowned upon by the teachers. Parents could line up to pay. Who cares if the parents are holding their nose as they write the checks? Most of the parents can afford it and they will view it as the cost of doing business. What a great business model. No need to compete for business just have the parents believe that paying for the service will be appreciated by the teachers.

And so we continue to pay.



I would happily pay to have the teachers my son has tutor him on the side. But only if they do not tutor all of them. Because Then the teacher could be holding back in the school classroom - that's would be wrong. What I want is the extra!!! The extra that will get my kid ahead.

Be it his teacher who knows him and knows where she will be directing her lessons or another tutor who knows him and the direction of the subject... I don't care, let me chose don't tell me the best option for my child is no long an option. Who do you think you are to tell me what to do with my kid!!!


Wow. You're not very bright. There is an obvious conflict of interest. In the teacher/tutor example, are the tutored kids being given preferential grades because the parents are paying the teacher? Are the kids who aren't paying to be tutored given worse grades/less class time attention, after school attention. Pay to play ... Pay to get a good grade etc. If you can't see the problem with it, you are dense.


That is precisely the issue. If the coach doesn't play these girls, the parents may feel like the training isn't working and stop. You know coach is counting on that training money and doesn't want the stream to end, especially when he'll have them for another 6 Varsity seasons. They will pay him. He will make sure they play to continue the flow of cash to his pocket.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/29/16 09:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so teachers tutoring is an issue also. People get a life. Sometimes you just need to relax. It's mommy and daddys like the ones above that have made youth sports on Long Island horrible. Stop watch watching, everyone gets a trophy, crybabies. Wah wah wah. No wonder there are so many self entitled brats running around. You have created these little monsters.


Yeah, what's the big deal? I would love it if a couple of the math teachers in our district got together and started a tutoring business. It would be even better if they marketed their business exclusively to the students who are in their classes. Better still if they were able to create the perception that not paying to take part in their program would be frowned upon by the teachers. Parents could line up to pay. Who cares if the parents are holding their nose as they write the checks? Most of the parents can afford it and they will view it as the cost of doing business. What a great business model. No need to compete for business just have the parents believe that paying for the service will be appreciated by the teachers.

And so we continue to pay.



I would happily pay to have the teachers my son has tutor him on the side. But only if they do not tutor all of them. Because Then the teacher could be holding back in the school classroom - that's would be wrong. What I want is the extra!!! The extra that will get my kid ahead.

Be it his teacher who knows him and knows where she will be directing her lessons or another tutor who knows him and the direction of the subject... I don't care, let me chose don't tell me the best option for my child is no long an option. Who do you think you are to tell me what to do with my kid!!!


Wow. You're not very bright. There is an obvious conflict of interest. In the teacher/tutor example, are the tutored kids being given preferential grades because the parents are paying the teacher? Are the kids who aren't paying to be tutored given worse grades/less class time attention, after school attention. Pay to play ... Pay to get a good grade etc. If you can't see the problem with it, you are dense.


That is precisely the issue. If the coach doesn't play these girls, the parents may feel like the training isn't working and stop. You know coach is counting on that training money and doesn't want the stream to end, especially when he'll have them for another 6 Varsity seasons. They will pay him. He will make sure they play to continue the flow of cash to his pocket.


wy does it all have to be inherently evil.

Why cant a teacher tutor a student to help them catch up or get ahead. Doesn't mean the test will be graded softer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/29/16 09:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so teachers tutoring is an issue also. People get a life. Sometimes you just need to relax. It's mommy and daddys like the ones above that have made youth sports on Long Island horrible. Stop watch watching, everyone gets a trophy, crybabies. Wah wah wah. No wonder there are so many self entitled brats running around. You have created these little monsters.


Yeah, what's the big deal? I would love it if a couple of the math teachers in our district got together and started a tutoring business. It would be even better if they marketed their business exclusively to the students who are in their classes. Better still if they were able to create the perception that not paying to take part in their program would be frowned upon by the teachers. Parents could line up to pay. Who cares if the parents are holding their nose as they write the checks? Most of the parents can afford it and they will view it as the cost of doing business. What a great business model. No need to compete for business just have the parents believe that paying for the service will be appreciated by the teachers.

And so we continue to pay.



I would happily pay to have the teachers my son has tutor him on the side. But only if they do not tutor all of them. Because Then the teacher could be holding back in the school classroom - that's would be wrong. What I want is the extra!!! The extra that will get my kid ahead.

Be it his teacher who knows him and knows where she will be directing her lessons or another tutor who knows him and the direction of the subject... I don't care, let me chose don't tell me the best option for my child is no long an option. Who do you think you are to tell me what to do with my kid!!!


Wow. You're not very bright. There is an obvious conflict of interest. In the teacher/tutor example, are the tutored kids being given preferential grades because the parents are paying the teacher? Are the kids who aren't paying to be tutored given worse grades/less class time attention, after school attention. Pay to play ... Pay to get a good grade etc. If you can't see the problem with it, you are dense.



When it comes to a tutor you go with recommendations and qualifications. You go to those who your neighbors or friends have used before. Those who have helped dare I say on Standard tests before so you know what you are getting. You go to a proven teacher.

If that tutor just happens to be my childs teacher even better. If my kid gets more attention, I am good with that - like a bonus, are you that dense you wouldn't.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 02/29/16 10:53 PM
If you people are talking about the Sayville girls varsity coach, get a life. Kiss him on both cheeks and thank him for coaching your kid. He's an amazing coach. If he put someone ahead of your kid it's for a reason - they're better! Wish he was my daughters coach. Sayville even looks like it would be a nice place to live if you could get past all the fruity people.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/01/16 02:16 PM
Coach situation: Player A not getting much playing time, needs to work on a few things. Pays HS coach for private lessons - gets better / maybe doesn't get better - gets more playing time. Player B sees Player A pay for lessons and play more, now Player B pays for lessons, etc. Did the kids really get better or is the coach just making it appear that way to attract more business? He/she controls cause and effect.

Tutor situation: Student A struggling in class, needs some help. Pays HS teacher for private tutoring, grades improve (either legitimately in an objective subject or with help in a subjective one). Student B sees Student A's grades improve and now pays teacher for tutoring, etc. Did the students just need some one-on-one time or is the teacher holding back in class to attract more business? Again, teacher has all the control.

Whether either case is above board or not, there is clearly an opportunity for abuse and the perception of favoritism exists.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/01/16 08:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Coach situation: Player A not getting much playing time, needs to work on a few things. Pays HS coach for private lessons - gets better / maybe doesn't get better - gets more playing time. Player B sees Player A pay for lessons and play more, now Player B pays for lessons, etc. Did the kids really get better or is the coach just making it appear that way to attract more business? He/she controls cause and effect.

Tutor situation: Student A struggling in class, needs some help. Pays HS teacher for private tutoring, grades improve (either legitimately in an objective subject or with help in a subjective one). Student B sees Student A's grades improve and now pays teacher for tutoring, etc. Did the students just need some one-on-one time or is the teacher holding back in class to attract more business? Again, teacher has all the control.

Whether either case is above board or not, there is clearly an opportunity for abuse and the perception of favoritism exists.


yes the opportunity exists and as a parent you should she if it is real progress or not.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/02/16 02:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Coach situation: Player A not getting much playing time, needs to work on a few things. Pays HS coach for private lessons - gets better / maybe doesn't get better - gets more playing time. Player B sees Player A pay for lessons and play more, now Player B pays for lessons, etc. Did the kids really get better or is the coach just making it appear that way to attract more business? He/she controls cause and effect.

Tutor situation: Student A struggling in class, needs some help. Pays HS teacher for private tutoring, grades improve (either legitimately in an objective subject or with help in a subjective one). Student B sees Student A's grades improve and now pays teacher for tutoring, etc. Did the students just need some one-on-one time or is the teacher holding back in class to attract more business? Again, teacher has all the control.

Whether either case is above board or not, there is clearly an opportunity for abuse and the perception of favoritism exists.


Totally agree!!! There is no difference. The conflicts for a math teacher and a student are exactly the same for a coach and a player. If it's been addressed for the math teacher it should be addressed for the coach.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/02/16 04:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so teachers tutoring is an issue also. People get a life. Sometimes you just need to relax. It's mommy and daddys like the ones above that have made youth sports on Long Island horrible. Stop watch watching, everyone gets a trophy, crybabies. Wah wah wah. No wonder there are so many self entitled brats running around. You have created these little monsters.


Yeah, what's the big deal? I would love it if a couple of the math teachers in our district got together and started a tutoring business. It would be even better if they marketed their business exclusively to the students who are in their classes. Better still if they were able to create the perception that not paying to take part in their program would be frowned upon by the teachers. Parents could line up to pay. Who cares if the parents are holding their nose as they write the checks? Most of the parents can afford it and they will view it as the cost of doing business. What a great business model. No need to compete for business just have the parents believe that paying for the service will be appreciated by the teachers.

And so we continue to pay.



I would happily pay to have the teachers my son has tutor him on the side. But only if they do not tutor all of them. Because Then the teacher could be holding back in the school classroom - that's would be wrong. What I want is the extra!!! The extra that will get my kid ahead.

Be it his teacher who knows him and knows where she will be directing her lessons or another tutor who knows him and the direction of the subject... I don't care, let me chose don't tell me the best option for my child is no long an option. Who do you think you are to tell me what to do with my kid!!!


Wow. You're not very bright. There is an obvious conflict of interest. In the teacher/tutor example, are the tutored kids being given preferential grades because the parents are paying the teacher? Are the kids who aren't paying to be tutored given worse grades/less class time attention, after school attention. Pay to play ... Pay to get a good grade etc. If you can't see the problem with it, you are dense.



When it comes to a tutor you go with recommendations and qualifications. You go to those who your neighbors or friends have used before. Those who have helped dare I say on Standard tests before so you know what you are getting. You go to a proven teacher.

If that tutor just happens to be my childs teacher even better. If my kid gets more attention, I am good with that - like a bonus, are you that dense you wouldn't.


You are either a moron or you have no moral compass. If you can not see that there is a clear conflict of interest when a coach or a teacher attempts to coerce a student to use "pay for" their service. Perception is reality and in our district many of the players and parents feel that they must pay to play. I wonder where they got that idea? It is not about building a team or about the kids. It is about the money.

It has been said on this site before. Depending on which side you look at it from if is either bribery or extortion. In any event it is wrong and it should not be permitted. I guess if you are in a business where it is perfectly acceptable to bribe or extort you would see nothing wrong with it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/02/16 05:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so teachers tutoring is an issue also. People get a life. Sometimes you just need to relax. It's mommy and daddys like the ones above that have made youth sports on Long Island horrible. Stop watch watching, everyone gets a trophy, crybabies. Wah wah wah. No wonder there are so many self entitled brats running around. You have created these little monsters.


Yeah, what's the big deal? I would love it if a couple of the math teachers in our district got together and started a tutoring business. It would be even better if they marketed their business exclusively to the students who are in their classes. Better still if they were able to create the perception that not paying to take part in their program would be frowned upon by the teachers. Parents could line up to pay. Who cares if the parents are holding their nose as they write the checks? Most of the parents can afford it and they will view it as the cost of doing business. What a great business model. No need to compete for business just have the parents believe that paying for the service will be appreciated by the teachers.

And so we continue to pay.



I would happily pay to have the teachers my son has tutor him on the side. But only if they do not tutor all of them. Because Then the teacher could be holding back in the school classroom - that's would be wrong. What I want is the extra!!! The extra that will get my kid ahead.

Be it his teacher who knows him and knows where she will be directing her lessons or another tutor who knows him and the direction of the subject... I don't care, let me chose don't tell me the best option for my child is no long an option. Who do you think you are to tell me what to do with my kid!!!


Wow. You're not very bright. There is an obvious conflict of interest. In the teacher/tutor example, are the tutored kids being given preferential grades because the parents are paying the teacher? Are the kids who aren't paying to be tutored given worse grades/less class time attention, after school attention. Pay to play ... Pay to get a good grade etc. If you can't see the problem with it, you are dense.



When it comes to a tutor you go with recommendations and qualifications. You go to those who your neighbors or friends have used before. Those who have helped dare I say on Standard tests before so you know what you are getting. You go to a proven teacher.

If that tutor just happens to be my childs teacher even better. If my kid gets more attention, I am good with that - like a bonus, are you that dense you wouldn't.


You are either a moron or you have no moral compass. If you can not see that there is a clear conflict of interest when a coach or a teacher attempts to coerce a student to use "pay for" their service. Perception is reality and in our district many of the players and parents feel that they must pay to play. I wonder where they got that idea? It is not about building a team or about the kids. It is about the money.

It has been said on this site before. Depending on which side you look at it from if is either bribery or extortion. In any event it is wrong and it should not be permitted. I guess if you are in a business where it is perfectly acceptable to bribe or extort you would see nothing wrong with it.


I am not the moron, and have a rosey moral compass; I know the difference when things are going south.

If whomever you choose to tutor or train your son help them progress it is a win. If it is a teacher or coach you have even better. If I see the hint of impropriety, rather decline I leave. If leaving has retribution I will deal with it.

If going to a coach or teacher provides benefits, if unwarranted I will step up.

I am coming form the side of no town coach I was ever involved with (school or otherwise offered to train for $$). I am an advocate of throwing the school coach some $$ if and when they do extras. If the opportunity exists like throw money in a bucket at a local fundraiser.

I do see how people can take advantage but you need to surround yourself with good people just like you. better yet you need to surround your sons with good people/families/kids, You are only as good as the people you surround yourself with!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/02/16 07:44 PM
On a recommendation from a friend, I reached out to the Sayville varsity coach to train my daughter. Met with him and he told me he simply didn't have the time to work with her. He spent the next two hours teaching me how to work with her. On an 85 degree June day in the midday sun. Two hours and then he wouldn't take a dime from me. Just wished us luck and to reach out to him if I had any questions.

I see him at tournaments, he checks in to see how she's doing. We don't live in Sayville. My daughter will never play for him. She may well one day play against him. Thats not somebody who's in it for the money. That's somebody who's a good person, loves kids and loves lacrosse. He's a class act.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/02/16 08:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
On a recommendation from a friend, I reached out to the Sayville varsity coach to train my daughter. Met with him and he told me he simply didn't have the time to work with her. He spent the next two hours teaching me how to work with her. On an 85 degree June day in the midday sun. Two hours and then he wouldn't take a dime from me. Just wished us luck and to reach out to him if I had any questions.

I see him at tournaments, he checks in to see how she's doing. We don't live in Sayville. My daughter will never play for him. She may well one day play against him. Thats not somebody who's in it for the money. That's somebody who's a good person, loves kids and loves lacrosse. He's a class act.


That's a very touching, but completely irrelevant story. I don't think the town was ever stated, so I don't want to make assumptions that it was Sayville. The fact that he takes money from parents in the town, when he told others that he won't train girls from the town, and then moved them up to varsity way earlier than has ever been done before is the issue. And it leaves a bad taste in a lot of mouths. Many will be out to pull his ticket.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/03/16 01:45 PM
I think it is only a matter of time (in districts where there is a conflict of interest) before a parent or a group of parents bring a complaint to the Superintendent and or the Board of Education.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/03/16 02:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
On a recommendation from a friend, I reached out to the Sayville varsity coach to train my daughter. Met with him and he told me he simply didn't have the time to work with her. He spent the next two hours teaching me how to work with her. On an 85 degree June day in the midday sun. Two hours and then he wouldn't take a dime from me. Just wished us luck and to reach out to him if I had any questions.

I see him at tournaments, he checks in to see how she's doing. We don't live in Sayville. My daughter will never play for him. She may well one day play against him. Thats not somebody who's in it for the money. That's somebody who's a good person, loves kids and loves lacrosse. He's a class act.


That's a very touching, but completely irrelevant story. I don't think the town was ever stated, so I don't want to make assumptions that it was Sayville. The fact that he takes money from parents in the town, when he told others that he won't train girls from the town, and then moved them up to varsity way earlier than has ever been done before is the issue. And it leaves a bad taste in a lot of mouths. Many will be out to pull his ticket.
seems as though the girls did well with the extra coaching to me and deserved to move up. Who cares if it was unprecedented. What is irrelevant is the fact that he was paid to coach up players on his personal time. YOU and others are making it relevant because it better serves your agenda. Coaches are entitled to do whatever they want on their fee time. They can't win. I am sick of people trying to disgrace great coaches to serve some personal agenda. I am sure that if it were your child that got bumped up to varsity your would be singing a different tune. You should think before posting anonymous posts. Good people get hurt by slanderous accusations such as these. If you want to try to disgrace someone don't be a coward and sign your name. I bet we would find that your child's playing time or position is somehow threatened in some way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/03/16 03:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
On a recommendation from a friend, I reached out to the Sayville varsity coach to train my daughter. Met with him and he told me he simply didn't have the time to work with her. He spent the next two hours teaching me how to work with her. On an 85 degree June day in the midday sun. Two hours and then he wouldn't take a dime from me. Just wished us luck and to reach out to him if I had any questions.

I see him at tournaments, he checks in to see how she's doing. We don't live in Sayville. My daughter will never play for him. She may well one day play against him. Thats not somebody who's in it for the money. That's somebody who's a good person, loves kids and loves lacrosse. He's a class act.


That's a very touching, but completely irrelevant story. I don't think the town was ever stated, so I don't want to make assumptions that it was Sayville. The fact that he takes money from parents in the town, when he told others that he won't train girls from the town, and then moved them up to varsity way earlier than has ever been done before is the issue. And it leaves a bad taste in a lot of mouths. Many will be out to pull his ticket.
seems as though the girls did well with the extra coaching to me and deserved to move up. Who cares if it was unprecedented. What is irrelevant is the fact that he was paid to coach up players on his personal time. YOU and others are making it relevant because it better serves your agenda. Coaches are entitled to do whatever they want on their fee time. They can't win. I am sick of people trying to disgrace great coaches to serve some personal agenda. I am sure that if it were your child that got bumped up to varsity your would be singing a different tune. You should think before posting anonymous posts. Good people get hurt by slanderous accusations such as these. If you want to try to disgrace someone don't be a coward and sign your name. I bet we would find that your child's playing time or position is somehow threatened in some way.


yaaaaaaawwwwnnnn.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/03/16 04:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
On a recommendation from a friend, I reached out to the Sayville varsity coach to train my daughter. Met with him and he told me he simply didn't have the time to work with her. He spent the next two hours teaching me how to work with her. On an 85 degree June day in the midday sun. Two hours and then he wouldn't take a dime from me. Just wished us luck and to reach out to him if I had any questions.

I see him at tournaments, he checks in to see how she's doing. We don't live in Sayville. My daughter will never play for him. She may well one day play against him. Thats not somebody who's in it for the money. That's somebody who's a good person, loves kids and loves lacrosse. He's a class act.


That's a very touching, but completely irrelevant story. I don't think the town was ever stated, so I don't want to make assumptions that it was Sayville. The fact that he takes money from parents in the town, when he told others that he won't train girls from the town, and then moved them up to varsity way earlier than has ever been done before is the issue. And it leaves a bad taste in a lot of mouths. Many will be out to pull his ticket.
seems as though the girls did well with the extra coaching to me and deserved to move up. Who cares if it was unprecedented. What is irrelevant is the fact that he was paid to coach up players on his personal time. YOU and others are making it relevant because it better serves your agenda. Coaches are entitled to do whatever they want on their fee time. They can't win. I am sick of people trying to disgrace great coaches to serve some personal agenda. I am sure that if it were your child that got bumped up to varsity your would be singing a different tune. You should think before posting anonymous posts. Good people get hurt by slanderous accusations such as these. If you want to try to disgrace someone don't be a coward and sign your name. I bet we would find that your child's playing time or position is somehow threatened in some way.


yaaaaaaawwwwnnnn.....


Sayville public relations company is back. Thought they took a break after football season. Low division football team that is in paper every week. Now girls lax. Board member must have daughter on team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/03/16 04:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Coach situation: Player A not getting much playing time, needs to work on a few things. Pays HS coach for private lessons - gets better / maybe doesn't get better - gets more playing time. Player B sees Player A pay for lessons and play more, now Player B pays for lessons, etc. Did the kids really get better or is the coach just making it appear that way to attract more business? He/she controls cause and effect.

Tutor situation: Student A struggling in class, needs some help. Pays HS teacher for private tutoring, grades improve (either legitimately in an objective subject or with help in a subjective one). Student B sees Student A's grades improve and now pays teacher for tutoring, etc. Did the students just need some one-on-one time or is the teacher holding back in class to attract more business? Again, teacher has all the control.

Whether either case is above board or not, there is clearly an opportunity for abuse and the perception of favoritism exists.


Totally agree!!! There is no difference. The conflicts for a math teacher and a student are exactly the same for a coach and a player. If it's been addressed for the math teacher it should be addressed for the coach.


I don't know if the conflicts are the same, but if you train a kid in a sport and he/she makes a team, it is looked upon as immoral because that usually means that a possibly deserving kid is getting dropped. If a teacher tutors a kid and he/she gets better grades, it doesn't effect the other kids in the class. Another kid isn't getting bumped from the Varsity Math class to JV.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/03/16 05:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
On a recommendation from a friend, I reached out to the Sayville varsity coach to train my daughter. Met with him and he told me he simply didn't have the time to work with her. He spent the next two hours teaching me how to work with her. On an 85 degree June day in the midday sun. Two hours and then he wouldn't take a dime from me. Just wished us luck and to reach out to him if I had any questions.

I see him at tournaments, he checks in to see how she's doing. We don't live in Sayville. My daughter will never play for him. She may well one day play against him. Thats not somebody who's in it for the money. That's somebody who's a good person, loves kids and loves lacrosse. He's a class act.


That's a very touching, but completely irrelevant story. I don't think the town was ever stated, so I don't want to make assumptions that it was Sayville. The fact that he takes money from parents in the town, when he told others that he won't train girls from the town, and then moved them up to varsity way earlier than has ever been done before is the issue. And it leaves a bad taste in a lot of mouths. Many will be out to pull his ticket.
seems as though the girls did well with the extra coaching to me and deserved to move up. Who cares if it was unprecedented. What is irrelevant is the fact that he was paid to coach up players on his personal time. YOU and others are making it relevant because it better serves your agenda. Coaches are entitled to do whatever they want on their fee time. They can't win. I am sick of people trying to disgrace great coaches to serve some personal agenda. I am sure that if it were your child that got bumped up to varsity your would be singing a different tune. You should think before posting anonymous posts. Good people get hurt by slanderous accusations such as these. If you want to try to disgrace someone don't be a coward and sign your name. I bet we would find that your child's playing time or position is somehow threatened in some way.


Another tough guy telling people to sign their name . I noticed that you didn't identify yourself. Go away [lacrosse].
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/03/16 06:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Coach situation: Player A not getting much playing time, needs to work on a few things. Pays HS coach for private lessons - gets better / maybe doesn't get better - gets more playing time. Player B sees Player A pay for lessons and play more, now Player B pays for lessons, etc. Did the kids really get better or is the coach just making it appear that way to attract more business? He/she controls cause and effect.

Tutor situation: Student A struggling in class, needs some help. Pays HS teacher for private tutoring, grades improve (either legitimately in an objective subject or with help in a subjective one). Student B sees Student A's grades improve and now pays teacher for tutoring, etc. Did the students just need some one-on-one time or is the teacher holding back in class to attract more business? Again, teacher has all the controil.

Whether either case is above board or not, there is clearly an opportunity for abuse and the perception of favoritism exists.



Totally agree!!! There is no difference. The conflicts for a math teacher and a student are exactly the same for a coach and a player. If it's been addressed for the math teacher it should be addressed for the coach.


I don't know if the conflicts are the same, but if you train a kid in a sport and he/she makes a team, it is looked upon as immoral because that usually means that a possibly deserving kid is getting dropped. If a teacher tutors a kid and he/she gets better grades, it doesn't effect the other kids in the class. Another kid isn't getting bumped from the Varsity Math class to JV.

The conflict is worse. When your kid is wait listed to the school she wants to go to and the kid who got tutored by the teacher got in because she got a better grade in her math class the question will get asked.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/04/16 03:37 AM
Just heard on the news that a major part of the money raised for the Wounded Warrior Project, which is funded by certain lacrosse charity tournaments goes towards stays in 5 star hotels for administration , and not to the deserving!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/04/16 12:35 PM
I would like to hear more about this
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/04/16 02:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Coach situation: Player A not getting much playing time, needs to work on a few things. Pays HS coach for private lessons - gets better / maybe doesn't get better - gets more playing time. Player B sees Player A pay for lessons and play more, now Player B pays for lessons, etc. Did the kids really get better or is the coach just making it appear that way to attract more business? He/she controls cause and effect.

Tutor situation: Student A struggling in class, needs some help. Pays HS teacher for private tutoring, grades improve (either legitimately in an objective subject or with help in a subjective one). Student B sees Student A's grades improve and now pays teacher for tutoring, etc. Did the students just need some one-on-one time or is the teacher holding back in class to attract more business? Again, teacher has all the controil.

Whether either case is above board or not, there is clearly an opportunity for abuse and the perception of favoritism exists.



Totally agree!!! There is no difference. The conflicts for a math teacher and a student are exactly the same for a coach and a player. If it's been addressed for the math teacher it should be addressed for the coach.


I don't know if the conflicts are the same, but if you train a kid in a sport and he/she makes a team, it is looked upon as immoral because that usually means that a possibly deserving kid is getting dropped. If a teacher tutors a kid and he/she gets better grades, it doesn't effect the other kids in the class. Another kid isn't getting bumped from the Varsity Math class to JV.

The conflict is worse. When your kid is wait listed to the school she wants to go to and the kid who got tutored by the teacher got in because she got a better grade in her math class the question will get asked.


If that happens, the only one to blame is yourself. If your kid didn't get a good enough grade, that's your fault. Maybe you should have gotten your own tutor. It isn't the fault of another parent who sought out help for their child. These are 2 totally different situations. A student does not get dropped from a class because another student is doing better or has a relationship with a teacher. Your opportunity is not denied. But it can happen in the world of lacrosse where there are limited spots and opportunities.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/04/16 02:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Coach situation: Player A not getting much playing time, needs to work on a few things. Pays HS coach for private lessons - gets better / maybe doesn't get better - gets more playing time. Player B sees Player A pay for lessons and play more, now Player B pays for lessons, etc. Did the kids really get better or is the coach just making it appear that way to attract more business? He/she controls cause and effect.

Tutor situation: Student A struggling in class, needs some help. Pays HS teacher for private tutoring, grades improve (either legitimately in an objective subject or with help in a subjective one). Student B sees Student A's grades improve and now pays teacher for tutoring, etc. Did the students just need some one-on-one time or is the teacher holding back in class to attract more business? Again, teacher has all the controil.

Whether either case is above board or not, there is clearly an opportunity for abuse and the perception of favoritism exists.



Totally agree!!! There is no difference. The conflicts for a math teacher and a student are exactly the same for a coach and a player. If it's been addressed for the math teacher it should be addressed for the coach.


I don't know if the conflicts are the same, but if you train a kid in a sport and he/she makes a team, it is looked upon as immoral because that usually means that a possibly deserving kid is getting dropped. If a teacher tutors a kid and he/she gets better grades, it doesn't effect the other kids in the class. Another kid isn't getting bumped from the Varsity Math class to JV.

The conflict is worse. When your kid is wait listed to the school she wants to go to and the kid who got tutored by the teacher got in because she got a better grade in her math class the question will get asked.


If that happens, the only one to blame is yourself. If your kid didn't get a good enough grade, that's your fault. Maybe you should have gotten your own tutor. It isn't the fault of another parent who sought out help for their child. These are 2 totally different situations. A student does not get dropped from a class because another student is doing better or has a relationship with a teacher. Your opportunity is not denied. But it can happen in the world of lacrosse where there are limited spots and opportunities.


What is it that you do not understand?

If a teacher or a coach is running a for profit business and they coerce the kids (parents) that they teach or coach into paying for their service it is wrong.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/04/16 03:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Coach situation: Player A not getting much playing time, needs to work on a few things. Pays HS coach for private lessons - gets better / maybe doesn't get better - gets more playing time. Player B sees Player A pay for lessons and play more, now Player B pays for lessons, etc. Did the kids really get better or is the coach just making it appear that way to attract more business? He/she controls cause and effect.

Tutor situation: Student A struggling in class, needs some help. Pays HS teacher for private tutoring, grades improve (either legitimately in an objective subject or with help in a subjective one). Student B sees Student A's grades improve and now pays teacher for tutoring, etc. Did the students just need some one-on-one time or is the teacher holding back in class to attract more business? Again, teacher has all the controil.

Whether either case is above board or not, there is clearly an opportunity for abuse and the perception of favoritism exists.



Totally agree!!! There is no difference. The conflicts for a math teacher and a student are exactly the same for a coach and a player. If it's been addressed for the math teacher it should be addressed for the coach.


I don't know if the conflicts are the same, but if you train a kid in a sport and he/she makes a team, it is looked upon as immoral because that usually means that a possibly deserving kid is getting dropped. If a teacher tutors a kid and he/she gets better grades, it doesn't effect the other kids in the class. Another kid isn't getting bumped from the Varsity Math class to JV.

The conflict is worse. When your kid is wait listed to the school she wants to go to and the kid who got tutored by the teacher got in because she got a better grade in her math class the question will get asked.


If that happens, the only one to blame is yourself. If your kid didn't get a good enough grade, that's your fault. Maybe you should have gotten your own tutor. It isn't the fault of another parent who sought out help for their child. These are 2 totally different situations. A student does not get dropped from a class because another student is doing better or has a relationship with a teacher. Your opportunity is not denied. But it can happen in the world of lacrosse where there are limited spots and opportunities.


What is it that you do not understand?

If a teacher or a coach is running a for profit business and they coerce the kids (parents) that they teach or coach into paying for their service it is wrong.


Don't waste your time. That post was from one of the girls' parents. They paid to get better opportunities for their 7th grade kids. It worked. The assistant coach is the one who should be held accountable. And given recent history in that town, I'm sure he will be soon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/04/16 03:07 PM
maybe you need to expand your media reading beyond this website if you want to know more about something like a potential problem with a charity
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/04/16 03:09 PM
So what if you have two players who play for the same HS. Player 1 plays for a club outside of town, developes into a great player and gets recruited to play divI. Player 2 stays with the HS coach and plays for their in town club, developes into a good player but doesn't get recruited. Now the HS season rolls around and player 2 is playing over player 1. If both players had the same opportunities to get recruited, it's natural to conclude player 2 is playing because they stuck with/ paid the HS coach through the club. That scenario happens every year and is a conflict anyway you cut it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/04/16 03:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
maybe you need to expand your media reading beyond this website if you want to know more about something like a potential problem with a charity


CNN and Fox News both reporting the issue.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/04/16 04:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Coach situation: Player A not getting much playing time, needs to work on a few things. Pays HS coach for private lessons - gets better / maybe doesn't get better - gets more playing time. Player B sees Player A pay for lessons and play more, now Player B pays for lessons, etc. Did the kids really get better or is the coach just making it appear that way to attract more business? He/she controls cause and effect.

Tutor situation: Student A struggling in class, needs some help. Pays HS teacher for private tutoring, grades improve (either legitimately in an objective subject or with help in a subjective one). Student B sees Student A's grades improve and now pays teacher for tutoring, etc. Did the students just need some one-on-one time or is the teacher holding back in class to attract more business? Again, teacher has all the controil.

Whether either case is above board or not, there is clearly an opportunity for abuse and the perception of favoritism exists.



Totally agree!!! There is no difference. The conflicts for a math teacher and a student are exactly the same for a coach and a player. If it's been addressed for the math teacher it should be addressed for the coach.


I don't know if the conflicts are the same, but if you train a kid in a sport and he/she makes a team, it is looked upon as immoral because that usually means that a possibly deserving kid is getting dropped. If a teacher tutors a kid and he/she gets better grades, it doesn't effect the other kids in the class. Another kid isn't getting bumped from the Varsity Math class to JV.

The conflict is worse. When your kid is wait listed to the school she wants to go to and the kid who got tutored by the teacher got in because she got a better grade in her math class the question will get asked.


If that happens, the only one to blame is yourself. If your kid didn't get a good enough grade, that's your fault. Maybe you should have gotten your own tutor. It isn't the fault of another parent who sought out help for their child. These are 2 totally different situations. A student does not get dropped from a class because another student is doing better or has a relationship with a teacher. Your opportunity is not denied. But it can happen in the world of lacrosse where there are limited spots and opportunities.


What is it that you do not understand?

If a teacher or a coach is running a for profit business and they coerce the kids (parents) that they teach or coach into paying for their service it is wrong.



I really don't see a teacher "coercing" parents for tutoring services. I believe this is a reach. There are plenty of tutoring services out there and I'm sure that the teacher is not going to jeopardize their reputation by giving lower grades to a student that uses another service. With a child that needed tutoring services, each district has a list of qualified tutors for any subject that your child needs. And guess what, many of the districts teachers are on that list. It is not a conspiracy.

As far a the coaching argument goes, I agree.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/04/16 04:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what if you have two players who play for the same HS. Player 1 plays for a club outside of town, developes into a great player and gets recruited to play divI. Player 2 stays with the HS coach and plays for their in town club, developes into a good player but doesn't get recruited. Now the HS season rolls around and player 2 is playing over player 1. If both players had the same opportunities to get recruited, it's natural to conclude player 2 is playing because they stuck with/ paid the HS coach through the club. That scenario happens every year and is a conflict anyway you cut it.


I believe in a few things... Just because you think something to be so, doesn't mean it is. and if it looks, smells, and taste like something it generally is... but a rose with any other name will still smell as sweet. finding the balance between that is a the secret.

I was one of the biggest "Bloggers" about not everyone is inherently evil and you cant just ban something because you think impropriety can take place. You cant say something bad was done just because the opportunity existed. Go back to the Brady Bunch or icarly... dont judge a book by its cover and don't jump to a conclusions!!

I wished my town coaches offered more or did training. I wished my children's' teachers did tutor (the ones I liked). I would have paid top dollar for that, making sure they progressed over the entire grade not just their class... keeping a sharp eye out for any funny business.

I never said the other side, you know when you feel you got slighted. I did say as a parent you need to step up and do what is best for your son/daughter. I also believe (especially when it comes to our children's abilities) we look at things through rose colored glasses, many times we need to step back and take an honest look.

If the players are close in ability, then the club helped get your child noticed by colleges (good on you), but that does not make him/her any better than the other child. If close in ability, that other child will have the upper hand seeing the field in HS, the townHS coach knows the other player more. I have no problem with that. You choose Club which helped you for college, they choose the HS which is leading to more field time.

Now if the players are not close in ability it will been seen by all not just some. You will not have to say a thing but listen to the crowd when the player is in over your child. We have all seen players that we think are better than another get less time. Why, will anyone ever know. Maybe the coach just likes them better... maybe it is attitude maybe it is those intangibles you cant measure... or maybe the parent works in the school district and/or helped the youth program.

No one can tell you when to step up. If you have a good coach he will listen to a rational conversation not an emotional one. if you have a good team and captains you wont have to step up. If you don't have either that just sucks! Me, I say time will tell, give it at least a game or two to prove out. Preseason is not the time for that, it is how you finish!!


sorry you feel this way already especially since season hasn't even started yet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/04/16 04:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Coach situation: Player A not getting much playing time, needs to work on a few things. Pays HS coach for private lessons - gets better / maybe doesn't get better - gets more playing time. Player B sees Player A pay for lessons and play more, now Player B pays for lessons, etc. Did the kids really get better or is the coach just making it appear that way to attract more business? He/she controls cause and effect.

Tutor situation: Student A struggling in class, needs some help. Pays HS teacher for private tutoring, grades improve (either legitimately in an objective subject or with help in a subjective one). Student B sees Student A's grades improve and now pays teacher for tutoring, etc. Did the students just need some one-on-one time or is the teacher holding back in class to attract more business? Again, teacher has all the control.

Whether either case is above board or not, there is clearly an opportunity for abuse and the perception of favoritism exists.


Totally agree!!! There is no difference. The conflicts for a math teacher and a student are exactly the same for a coach and a player. If it's been addressed for the math teacher it should be addressed for the coach.


I don't know if the conflicts are the same, but if you train a kid in a sport and he/she makes a team, it is looked upon as immoral because that usually means that a possibly deserving kid is getting dropped. If a teacher tutors a kid and he/she gets better grades, it doesn't effect the other kids in the class. Another kid isn't getting bumped from the Varsity Math class to JV.


It may have an impact in the class, my kids AP/Honors classes generally have a curve on the grades that are generally based on the highest scorer so if a kid gets extra tutoring ,scores real high, it may impact the other kids grades in the class possibly bumping them from honors to not.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/04/16 05:43 PM
Teachers are not allowed to charge $$ to tutor their own students. They can tutor students in other classes till the cows come home, just not there own. That's the rule, for obvious reasons.

My brother in law is an AD in Suffolk. He said the same thing applies to coaches. They can't charge players on their teams for training.

Sounds like this guy is choosing money over principles. He'll be gone by next season.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/04/16 07:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what if you have two players who play for the same HS. Player 1 plays for a club outside of town, developes into a great player and gets recruited to play divI. Player 2 stays with the HS coach and plays for their in town club, developes into a good player but doesn't get recruited. Now the HS season rolls around and player 2 is playing over player 1. If both players had the same opportunities to get recruited, it's natural to conclude player 2 is playing because they stuck with/ paid the HS coach through the club. That scenario happens every year and is a conflict anyway you cut it.


I believe in a few things... Just because you think something to be so, doesn't mean it is. and if it looks, smells, and taste like something it generally is... but a rose with any other name will still smell as sweet. finding the balance between that is a the secret.

I was one of the biggest "Bloggers" about not everyone is inherently evil and you cant just ban something because you think impropriety can take place. You cant say something bad was done just because the opportunity existed. Go back to the Brady Bunch or icarly... dont judge a book by its cover and don't jump to a conclusions!!

I wished my town coaches offered more or did training. I wished my children's' teachers did tutor (the ones I liked). I would have paid top dollar for that, making sure they progressed over the entire grade not just their class... keeping a sharp eye out for any funny business.

I never said the other side, you know when you feel you got slighted. I did say as a parent you need to step up and do what is best for your son/daughter. I also believe (especially when it comes to our children's abilities) we look at things through rose colored glasses, many times we need to step back and take an honest look.

If the players are close in ability, then the club helped get your child noticed by colleges (good on you), but that does not make him/her any better than the other child. If close in ability, that other child will have the upper hand seeing the field in HS, the townHS coach knows the other player more. I have no problem with that. You choose Club which helped you for college, they choose the HS which is leading to more field time.

Now if the players are not close in ability it will been seen by all not just some. You will not have to say a thing but listen to the crowd when the player is in over your child. We have all seen players that we think are better than another get less time. Why, will anyone ever know. Maybe the coach just likes them better... maybe it is attitude maybe it is those intangibles you cant measure... or maybe the parent works in the school district and/or helped the youth program.

No one can tell you when to step up. If you have a good coach he will listen to a rational conversation not an emotional one. if you have a good team and captains you wont have to step up. If you don't have either that just sucks! Me, I say time will tell, give it at least a game or two to prove out. Preseason is not the time for that, it is how you finish!!


sorry you feel this way already especially since season hasn't even started yet.


You miss the point completely.

Coaches running a for profit business and coercing players (parents) to pay to play for them is wrong.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/05/16 01:25 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what if you have two players who play for the same HS. Player 1 plays for a club outside of town, developes into a great player and gets recruited to play divI. Player 2 stays with the HS coach and plays for their in town club, developes into a good player but doesn't get recruited. Now the HS season rolls around and player 2 is playing over player 1. If both players had the same opportunities to get recruited, it's natural to conclude player 2 is playing because they stuck with/ paid the HS coach through the club. That scenario happens every year and is a conflict anyway you cut it.


I believe in a few things... Just because you think something to be so, doesn't mean it is. and if it looks, smells, and taste like something it generally is... but a rose with any other name will still smell as sweet. finding the balance between that is a the secret.

I was one of the biggest "Bloggers" about not everyone is inherently evil and you cant just ban something because you think impropriety can take place. You cant say something bad was done just because the opportunity existed. Go back to the Brady Bunch or icarly... dont judge a book by its cover and don't jump to a conclusions!!

I wished my town coaches offered more or did training. I wished my children's' teachers did tutor (the ones I liked). I would have paid top dollar for that, making sure they progressed over the entire grade not just their class... keeping a sharp eye out for any funny business.

I never said the other side, you know when you feel you got slighted. I did say as a parent you need to step up and do what is best for your son/daughter. I also believe (especially when it comes to our children's abilities) we look at things through rose colored glasses, many times we need to step back and take an honest look.

If the players are close in ability, then the club helped get your child noticed by colleges (good on you), but that does not make him/her any better than the other child. If close in ability, that other child will have the upper hand seeing the field in HS, the townHS coach knows the other player more. I have no problem with that. You choose Club which helped you for college, they choose the HS which is leading to more field time.

Now if the players are not close in ability it will been seen by all not just some. You will not have to say a thing but listen to the crowd when the player is in over your child. We have all seen players that we think are better than another get less time. Why, will anyone ever know. Maybe the coach just likes them better... maybe it is attitude maybe it is those intangibles you cant measure... or maybe the parent works in the school district and/or helped the youth program.

No one can tell you when to step up. If you have a good coach he will listen to a rational conversation not an emotional one. if you have a good team and captains you wont have to step up. If you don't have either that just sucks! Me, I say time will tell, give it at least a game or two to prove out. Preseason is not the time for that, it is how you finish!!


sorry you feel this way already especially since season hasn't even started yet.


You miss the point completely.

Coaches running a for profit business and coercing players (parents) to pay to play for them is wrong.
its easier to place blame on someone than take ownership. Your mad that you didn't approach the coach or get your child extra training. So it's everybody else's fault. Get off your [lacrosse] and be proactive. Help you child become better. Don't attack the coach and parents that took the appropriate steps to improve their child's skills. That's on you buddy. It's blatantly obvious that your jealous. No other reason to attack someone's character. What's worse is your teaching your child that instead of working harder for something they want, it's easier to stomp your feet and scream bias. Grow up, put your big boy pants on and show your child that hard work pays off.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/05/16 08:39 PM
Bet those 7th DELETED! Thats GOT to hurt.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/05/16 08:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
its easier to place blame on someone than take ownership. Your mad that you didn't approach the coach or get your child extra training. So it's everybody else's fault. Get off your [lacrosse] and be proactive. Help you child become better. Don't attack the coach and parents that took the appropriate steps to improve their child's skills. That's on you buddy. It's blatantly obvious that your jealous. No other reason to attack someone's character. What's worse is your teaching your child that instead of working harder for something they want, it's easier to stomp your feet and scream bias. Grow up, put your big boy pants on and show your child that hard work pays off.


They can't do that. Thats why their kid is second best, it's because the parent is second best. The parent doesn't put forth extra effort so the kid doesn't know to do it either. And the circle of fail continues ...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/06/16 08:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
its easier to place blame on someone than take ownership. Your mad that you didn't approach the coach or get your child extra training. So it's everybody else's fault. Get off your [lacrosse] and be proactive. Help you child become better. Don't attack the coach and parents that took the appropriate steps to improve their child's skills. That's on you buddy. It's blatantly obvious that your jealous. No other reason to attack someone's character. What's worse is your teaching your child that instead of working harder for something they want, it's easier to stomp your feet and scream bias. Grow up, put your big boy pants on and show your child that hard work pays off.


They can't do that. Thats why their kid is second best, it's because the parent is second best. The parent doesn't put forth extra effort so the kid doesn't know to do it either. And the circle of fail continues ...


You really are an idiot. Clearly, you're the parent that is buying playing time. Congrats.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/07/16 01:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
its easier to place blame on someone than take ownership. Your mad that you didn't approach the coach or get your child extra training. So it's everybody else's fault. Get off your [lacrosse] and be proactive. Help you child become better. Don't attack the coach and parents that took the appropriate steps to improve their child's skills. That's on you buddy. It's blatantly obvious that your jealous. No other reason to attack someone's character. What's worse is your teaching your child that instead of working harder for something they want, it's easier to stomp your feet and scream bias. Grow up, put your big boy pants on and show your child that hard work pays off.


They can't do that. Thats why their kid is second best, it's because the parent is second best. The parent doesn't put forth extra effort so the kid doesn't know to do it either. And the circle of fail continues ...


You really are an idiot. Clearly, you're the parent that is buying playing time. Congrats.


If I did, which I haven't , I can assure you my check book wouldn't notice. My family isn't part of the circle of fail. We leave that all to you. Enjoy!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/08/16 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
its easier to place blame on someone than take ownership. Your mad that you didn't approach the coach or get your child extra training. So it's everybody else's fault. Get off your [lacrosse] and be proactive. Help you child become better. Don't attack the coach and parents that took the appropriate steps to improve their child's skills. That's on you buddy. It's blatantly obvious that your jealous. No other reason to attack someone's character. What's worse is your teaching your child that instead of working harder for something they want, it's easier to stomp your feet and scream bias. Grow up, put your big boy pants on and show your child that hard work pays off.


They can't do that. Thats why their kid is second best, it's because the parent is second best. The parent doesn't put forth extra effort so the kid doesn't know to do it either. And the circle of fail continues ...


You really are an idiot. Clearly, you're the parent that is buying playing time. Congrats.


If I did, which I haven't , I can assure you my check book wouldn't notice. My family isn't part of the circle of fail. We leave that all to you. Enjoy!


Obviously you're one of the moms. No man would ever reference a checkbook! Not even anonymously! lol!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/09/16 04:56 PM
Besides the club teams, is there any place on this site that lists people available for one on one instruction? Is it crazy to get training for a kid in 5th grade?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/09/16 06:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Besides the club teams, is there any place on this site that lists people available for one on one instruction? Is it crazy to get training for a kid in 5th grade?


Go to a kid who plays HS ball and ask them or their parents if they can work with your kid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 03/09/16 07:27 PM
I agree with that response. My biggest learning as a father of an 8th grader, is to keep it fun and don't burn him out. My son plays multiple sports and enjoys the variety. If you make it all work, he'll quit. Getting to play with a kid he looks up to will make it fun. Better yet, just get his friends together to throw it around. Good luck.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/05/16 02:52 AM
Is it me or do refs never call slashing any more? Defenders are always hitting hips, thighs and legs without a flag constantly!

It's the same with pushing. Unless the kid falls down its not a push.

Same with cross checks. Whatever happened to keeping your hands together when checking?

Refs are getting very sloppy and kids are getting hurt. Clean it up Refs.

Do your job. Be consistent. Protect the kids.



.!.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/05/16 10:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or do refs never call slashing any more? Defenders are always hitting hips, thighs and legs without a flag constantly!

It's the same with pushing. Unless the kid falls down its not a push.

Same with cross checks. Whatever happened to keeping your hands together when checking?

Refs are getting very sloppy and kids are getting hurt. Clean it up Refs.

Do your job. Be consistent. Protect the kids.Get a grip mom! Did your son come home with a bruise? I'm sure if your son knew you were on here crying he would be mortified! And if he's not... Might be time to check when baseball sign-ups are



.!.


Get a grip mom! Did your son come home with a bruise? I'm sure if he knew you were on here crying he would be mortified! And if he's not... Might be time to check when baseball sign-ups are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/05/16 10:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or do refs never call slashing any more? Defenders are always hitting hips, thighs and legs without a flag constantly!

It's the same with pushing. Unless the kid falls down its not a push.

Same with cross checks. Whatever happened to keeping your hands together when checking?

Refs are getting very sloppy and kids are getting hurt. Clean it up Refs.

Do your job. Be consistent. Protect the kids.

I disagree. IMHO the game is softer and less violent them ever.



.!.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/05/16 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or do refs never call slashing any more? Defenders are always hitting hips, thighs and legs without a flag constantly!

It's the same with pushing. Unless the kid falls down its not a push.

Same with cross checks. Whatever happened to keeping your hands together when checking?

Refs are getting very sloppy and kids are getting hurt. Clean it up Refs.

Do your job. Be consistent. Protect the kids.

I disagree. IMHO the game is softer and less violent them ever.



.!.




I agree that the majority of games are not called by the book, but the game as called usually is fine.

Perhaps the rules just need to be updated to reflect the game as it is called and the way people are happy with it.

I propose the below updates so everyone is on the same page:

Pushing is legal unless the player falls.

Checking anywhere on the body is fine. (Opens the market for more hip and leg pads)

Cross checking is fine except to head and neck.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/05/16 05:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or do refs never call slashing any more? Defenders are always hitting hips, thighs and legs without a flag constantly!

It's the same with pushing. Unless the kid falls down its not a push.

Same with cross checks. Whatever happened to keeping your hands together when checking?

Refs are getting very sloppy and kids are getting hurt. Clean it up Refs.

Do your job. Be consistent. Protect the kids.

I disagree. IMHO the game is softer and less violent them ever.



.!.




I agree that the majority of games are not called by the book, but the game as called usually is fine.

Perhaps the rules just need to be updated to reflect the game as it is called and the way people are happy with it.

I propose the below updates so everyone is on the same page:

Pushing is legal unless the player falls.

Checking anywhere on the body is fine. (Opens the market for more hip and leg pads)

Cross checking is fine except to head and neck.



Look, this game used to be played on wide open fields and plains and it was to the death. It was and is (despite our best efforts at civilizing it) still supposed to have a roughness to it. If you think it is too rough, have your son play baseball.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/06/16 10:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or do refs never call slashing any more? Defenders are always hitting hips, thighs and legs without a flag constantly!

It's the same with pushing. Unless the kid falls down its not a push.

Same with cross checks. Whatever happened to keeping your hands together when checking?

Refs are getting very sloppy and kids are getting hurt. Clean it up Refs.

Do your job. Be consistent. Protect the kids.

I disagree. IMHO the game is softer and less violent them ever.



.!.




I agree that the majority of games are not called by the book, but the game as called usually is fine.

Perhaps the rules just need to be updated to reflect the game as it is called and the way people are happy with it.

I propose the below updates so everyone is on the same page:

Pushing is legal unless the player falls.

Checking anywhere on the body is fine. (Opens the market for more hip and leg pads)

Cross checking is fine except to head and neck.



Look, this game used to be played on wide open fields and plains and it was to the death. It was and is (despite our best efforts at civilizing it) still supposed to have a roughness to it. If you think it is too rough, have your son play baseball.



It's not too rough,but the rules should reflect the way the refs call it and I think every can agree that presently there are written rules and totally different enforced rules.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/06/16 12:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You miss the point completely.

Coaches running a for profit business and coercing players (parents) to pay to play for them is wrong.


I have been reading these arguments about coaches running summer programs for their town players and can see both sides of the argument.
I have a question, and please just give me your opinions because I am very conflicted.
I have an opinion on this but want to hear what others think.
Which scenario is worse in your opinion:

1) The H.S. coach runs a summer program that he gets paid to coach and charges under $1000.00/player for 5 summer tournaments. He encourages his players to stay together and play tournaments together. He tells them they can also play for clubs if they like but he wants the town team to come first if there are conflicts.

2) The H.S. coach coaches a H.S. level team for one of the big clubs. He is being paid upwards of $10,000.00 to coach this team because the club believes having hm there will attract players. He encourages his H.S. players to try out for the club telling them there is no guarantee they will make his team or the "B" team on the club. The club charges $3000.00 for 5 summer tournaments.

Is one scenario a worse conflict of interest for the coach than another? I have had both scenarios with my first 3 boys and I know whch I chose for them and how it worked out for them. My 4th boy starts HS next year and we have a similar situation again and I am curious as to what other people who post about this think.

Thank you for your opinions.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/06/16 12:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or do refs never call slashing any more? Defenders are always hitting hips, thighs and legs without a flag constantly!

It's the same with pushing. Unless the kid falls down its not a push.

Same with cross checks. Whatever happened to keeping your hands together when checking?

Refs are getting very sloppy and kids are getting hurt. Clean it up Refs.

Do your job. Be consistent. Protect the kids.



.!.

I hear Tennis is a pretty safe sport, buh bye

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/06/16 02:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or do refs never call slashing any more? Defenders are always hitting hips, thighs and legs without a flag constantly!

It's the same with pushing. Unless the kid falls down its not a push.

Same with cross checks. Whatever happened to keeping your hands together when checking?

Refs are getting very sloppy and kids are getting hurt. Clean it up Refs.

Do your job. Be consistent. Protect the kids.



.!.

I hear Tennis is a pretty safe sport, buh bye



Basketball has lots of rules that are never enforced also. Traveling and carrying the ball are standard practices.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/06/16 06:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You miss the point completely.

Coaches running a for profit business and coercing players (parents) to pay to play for them is wrong.


I have been reading these arguments about coaches running summer programs for their town players and can see both sides of the argument.
I have a question, and please just give me your opinions because I am very conflicted.
I have an opinion on this but want to hear what others think.
Which scenario is worse in your opinion:

1) The H.S. coach runs a summer program that he gets paid to coach and charges under $1000.00/player for 5 summer tournaments. He encourages his players to stay together and play tournaments together. He tells them they can also play for clubs if they like but he wants the town team to come first if there are conflicts.

2) The H.S. coach coaches a H.S. level team for one of the big clubs. He is being paid upwards of $10,000.00 to coach this team because the club believes having hm there will attract players. He encourages his H.S. players to try out for the club telling them there is no guarantee they will make his team or the "B" team on the club. The club charges $3000.00 for 5 summer tournaments.

Is one scenario a worse conflict of interest for the coach than another? I have had both scenarios with my first 3 boys and I know whch I chose for them and how it worked out for them. My 4th boy starts HS next year and we have a similar situation again and I am curious as to what other people who post about this think.

Thank you for your opinions.


In scenario 1 it is the kid that truly suffers. I know this because my son had to deal with it. The tournaments the HS team plays in are lower level, with little exposure to college coaches. The kid feels obligated to play with the school in tournaments that are useless for the recruiting process. 5 tourns, average of 5 games. That's 25 useless games. Now the kid does 3 prospect days and 3 showcases. That's another 18-20 games. Then another 25 games with the travel his team. With that said, your son has now played almost 70 games in this scenario. Not to mention practices with the school and travel. All this happens between June and July. Hopefully by August your son doesn't have some kind of over use injury like mine had... Morale of the story, when it comes to the recruiting process, you need to put the KID first and beg for forgiveness from everyone else.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/06/16 09:45 PM
Here is my complaint:
It's...
"you're stupid," not "your stupid"
"too many holdbacks," not "to many holdbacks"
"pound your chest," not "pound you're chest"
"their only in fourth grade!" not "there only in fourth grade"

Less blogging, more reading the New [lacrosse] Times, Washington Post or whatever...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/07/16 12:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is my complaint:
It's...
"you're stupid," not "your stupid"
"too many holdbacks," not "to many holdbacks"
"pound your chest," not "pound you're chest"
"their only in fourth grade!" not "there only in fourth grade"

Less blogging, more reading the New [lacrosse] Times, Washington Post or whatever...


Thanks Captain Grammar, but I think you mean "they're only in fourth grade". [lacrosse]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/07/16 12:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is my complaint:
It's...
"you're stupid," not "your stupid"
"too many holdbacks," not "to many holdbacks"
"pound your chest," not "pound you're chest"
"their only in fourth grade!" not "there only in fourth grade"

Less blogging, more reading the New [lacrosse] Times, Washington Post or whatever...


Thanks Captain Grammar, but I think you mean "they're only in fourth grade". [lacrosse]


lmao, classic.

Public service announcement:

Their, There, or They're?
Their is a possessive pronoun. It always describes a noun.

Note the spelling of their. It comes from the word they, so the e comes before the i.


There is an adverb meaning "that location." It is sometimes used with the verb to be as an idiom. It is spelled like here which means "this location."

They're is a contraction of they are. Note the spelling: The a from are is replaced by an apostrophe.

Less posting incorrect corrections.........just sayin
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/07/16 12:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is my complaint:
It's...
"you're stupid," not "your stupid"
"too many holdbacks," not "to many holdbacks"
"pound your chest," not "pound you're chest"
"their only in fourth grade!" not "there only in fourth grade"

Less blogging, more reading the New [lacrosse] Times, Washington Post or whatever...
hilarious

Thanks Captain Grammar, but I think you mean "they're only in fourth grade". [lacrosse]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/07/16 01:21 PM
Perfect examples of why lacrosse parents are the most hated in all of sport. Keep up the good work
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/07/16 01:39 PM
drop the mike!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/07/16 01:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Perfect examples of why lacrosse parents are the most hated in all of sport. Keep up the good work


So you did an impromptu survey of who? The non lacrosse public? Hockey parents? Soccer parents? Out of 100 soccer moms surveyed, 75 of them said that lacrosse parents are definitely the most hated in all of sport. Sounds about right. You sir, keep up the good work!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/07/16 02:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is my complaint:
It's...
"you're stupid," not "your stupid"
"too many holdbacks," not "to many holdbacks"
"pound your chest," not "pound you're chest"
"their only in fourth grade!" not "there only in fourth grade"

Less blogging, more reading the New [lacrosse] Times, Washington Post or whatever...
hilarious

Thanks Captain Grammar, but I think you mean "they're only in fourth grade". [lacrosse]


My grammar is never as good as it should be so when the grammar police get abused it just brightens my day.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/07/16 03:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Perfect examples of why lacrosse parents are the most hated in all of sport. Keep up the good work


So you did an impromptu survey of who? The non lacrosse public? Hockey parents? Soccer parents? Out of 100 soccer moms surveyed, 75 of them said that lacrosse parents are definitely the most hated in all of sport. Sounds about right. You sir, keep up the good work!


I am sure as the parent of an athlete your kids play 2 other school sports and maybe even more rec teams. You can't tell me Lacrosse isn't the worst group of parents. On LI its not even close. 100% recruiting jiberish talk all the time and always pitting the club kids against the ones that don't play year round.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/07/16 04:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Perfect examples of why lacrosse parents are the most hated in all of sport. Keep up the good work


So you did an impromptu survey of who? The non lacrosse public? Hockey parents? Soccer parents? Out of 100 soccer moms surveyed, 75 of them said that lacrosse parents are definitely the most hated in all of sport. Sounds about right. You sir, keep up the good work!


I am sure as the parent of an athlete your kids play 2 other school sports and maybe even more rec teams. You can't tell me Lacrosse isn't the worst group of parents. On LI its not even close. 100% recruiting jiberish talk all the time and always pitting the club kids against the ones that don't play year round.


Its been my experience having been around several other sports at the coaching and officiating level that parents in almost any sport are the worst, because, well, they're parents. Unrealistic, ignorant, and uninformed most times. Couple that with the raw emotion that comes with watching your child compete is a recipe for disaster. I completely disagree with your LI parents comment, I dont think they are any better or worse than any other group of parents. What do you think theyre talking about on the sidelines in Maryland? Same crap thats talked about here, their kids and how great they are........
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/07/16 04:19 PM
I don't think you have been around hockey parents. That's a whole different level of crazy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/11/16 01:53 AM
So a 2022 ems coach is assking kids on the team to pass to his son to help him score. If his son score the coach will give the kid that assist $5.
How does a guy like this become a coach?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/11/16 03:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So a 2022 ems coach is assking kids on the team to pass to his son to help him score. If his son score the coach will give the kid that assist $5.
How does a guy like this become a coach?


It's PAL. And, I wish my kid played on his team! I'd make him assist and then we'd go out for pizza (his treat, of course) smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/11/16 04:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So a 2022 ems coach is assking kids on the team to pass to his son to help him score. If his son score the coach will give the kid that assist $5.
How does a guy like this become a coach?



He volunteers.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/11/16 07:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or do refs never call slashing any more? Defenders are always hitting hips, thighs and legs without a flag constantly!

It's the same with pushing. Unless the kid falls down its not a push.

Same with cross checks. Whatever happened to keeping your hands together when checking?

Refs are getting very sloppy and kids are getting hurt. Clean it up Refs.

Do your job. Be consistent. Protect the kids.



.!.

I hear Tennis is a pretty safe sport, buh bye



Basketball has lots of rules that are never enforced also. Traveling and carrying the ball are standard practices.


Really good article from probably the biggest lacrosse camp organization in the country on how refs are not making the game safe for kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/11/16 11:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or do refs never call slashing any more? Defenders are always hitting hips, thighs and legs without a flag constantly!

It's the same with pushing. Unless the kid falls down its not a push.

Same with cross checks. Whatever happened to keeping your hands together when checking?

Refs are getting very sloppy and kids are getting hurt. Clean it up Refs.

Do your job. Be consistent. Protect the kids.



.!.

I hear Tennis is a pretty safe sport, buh bye



Basketball has lots of rules that are never enforced also. Traveling and carrying the ball are standard practices.


Really good article from probably the biggest lacrosse camp organization in the country on how refs are not making the game safe for kids.


Google "Is this how you coach YOUR kids to play this great game?" to see the article.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/12/16 03:20 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or do refs never call slashing any more? Defenders are always hitting hips, thighs and legs without a flag constantly!

It's the same with pushing. Unless the kid falls down its not a push.

Same with cross checks. Whatever happened to keeping your hands together when checking?

Refs are getting very sloppy and kids are getting hurt. Clean it up Refs.

Do your job. Be consistent. Protect the kids.



.!.

I hear Tennis is a pretty safe sport, buh bye



Basketball has lots of rules that are never enforced also. Traveling and carrying the ball are standard practices.


Really good article from probably the biggest lacrosse camp organization in the country on how refs are not making the game safe for kids.


Google "Is this how you coach YOUR kids to play this great game?" to see the article.


Thank you for sharing. This is getting so out of hand. Irresponsible coaching.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/21/16 06:45 PM
not a complaint, just a question; what happen to HS forum?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/21/16 07:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think you have been around hockey parents. That's a whole different level of crazy.


Amen brother!
Posted By: America's Game Re: Complaint Department - 04/21/16 08:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
not a complaint, just a question; what happen to HS forum?


We decided to lock it for a while so people can back to talking High School lacrosse and not where people live and what they wear.
Posted By: TheBackOfTheCage Re: Complaint Department - 04/21/16 08:48 PM
I just unlocked it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 04/21/16 09:08 PM
some good games today - thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 05/26/16 10:48 PM
There was a fight today between jericho and freeport 7/8 grade lax teams during the last 2 minutes of the game. It was the result of horrible referees who didn't control play the entire time. These refs should be banned before someone gets hurt. What is the proper place and contact info to report this to?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 05/26/16 11:00 PM
A fight in a MS School game and it's the referees fault? LMAO.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 05/26/16 11:12 PM
By the way it was a bench clearing kind of scrum. Not just a pushing match between two kids or a light disagreemwntb
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 05/26/16 11:15 PM
What could possibly be funny about this. Isn't the safety of the kids important to you? It's the refs job to control the game. When they don't call rough play for the entire game the kids are going to take matters into their own hands.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 05/27/16 01:20 AM
As a parent you are going to complain about officiating? Go right to the Section 8 or Section 11 websites. Contact information is there along with schedules and standings.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 05/27/16 11:38 AM
The officiating at the youth level and middle school/jv lacrosse is absolutely atrocious, not much better at the high school level either. Having said that, unlike hockey lax officials are taught not to intervene in fights. Although it sounds like they let the game get out of control, once the fights start its the coaches that need to get their kids under control. That is my understanding of it, if we have a ref that wants to chime in please do.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 05/27/16 02:47 PM
the issue was the refs were not officiating well. they didnt call fouls, they didnt warn players or coaches when play got increasingly rougher. and when the refs dont set the tone with the players, and continue to "non-call", the kids are going to get out of control as what occurred here.
Posted By: The Hop Re: Complaint Department - 05/28/16 05:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There was a fight today between jericho and freeport 7/8 grade lax teams during the last 2 minutes of the game. It was the result of horrible referees who didn't control play the entire time. These refs should be banned before someone gets hurt. What is the proper place and contact info to report this to?


Nassau County Officials Assoc website is listed to the left in the side bar under "Useful links".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 05/29/16 02:45 AM
thank you. i am glad that the appropriate governing bodies have taken this matter seriously.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 05/31/16 11:57 AM
Originally Posted by The Hop
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There was a fight today between jericho and freeport 7/8 grade lax teams during the last 2 minutes of the game. It was the result of horrible referees who didn't control play the entire time. These refs should be banned before someone gets hurt. What is the proper place and contact info to report this to?


Nassau County Officials Assoc website is listed to the left in the side bar under "Useful links".
Nassau PAL will handle if notified properly
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 05/31/16 04:08 PM
it wasnt a PAL league game. it was school league.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 05/31/16 09:53 PM
The answer is Section 8 or Section 11 websites. School ball in Nassau is regulated by Section 8. But I don't think that's what OP wants to hear. They definatley will not tell him what he wants to hear. The school itself would be the organization that would submit a complaint. The school would probably also be disciplined for the fight. But its not the kid's fault.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/01/16 11:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The answer is Section 8 or Section 11 websites. School ball in Nassau is regulated by Section 8. But I don't think that's what OP wants to hear. They definatley will not tell him what he wants to hear. The school itself would be the organization that would submit a complaint. The school would probably also be disciplined for the fight. But its not the kid's fault.


First the fight is definitely the kids fault, the parents fault (not not teaching kids how to conduct themselves properly and then the coaches fault for not controlling his team. Not the ref's fault.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/01/16 12:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The answer is Section 8 or Section 11 websites. School ball in Nassau is regulated by Section 8. But I don't think that's what OP wants to hear. They definatley will not tell him what he wants to hear. The school itself would be the organization that would submit a complaint. The school would probably also be disciplined for the fight. But its not the kid's fault.


First the fight is definitely the kids fault, the parents fault (not not teaching kids how to conduct themselves properly and then the coaches fault for not controlling his team. Not the ref's fault.


were you there???

were you there?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/02/16 02:38 PM
I don't think anyone needed to be in attendence to attempt to justify that a physical fight between players is the fault of the officials. It's called discipline and self control. It is coached from PAL to college. I may never have the most talented team on the field but I will strive to have the most disciplined.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/03/16 01:25 PM
Talk about a money grab; My son went to the Igloo Penguin clinic (k-3)yesterday. First off, i thought kids would be separated by age, they weren't and that is a broad range of age/skill maturity. 25+ kids ONE COACH, plus a 4th grader helping out. That's not right.
Posted By: Uncle Johns band Re: Complaint Department - 06/03/16 02:05 PM
Outlaws Start clinic Next mon K-3rd
Over 70 Kids signed up
Will be split up
have High school coaches and College players instructing
Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/03/16 02:07 PM
AA is all abt money for himself..He could care less abt ur son
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Complaint Department - 06/03/16 02:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Talk about a money grab; My son went to the Igloo Penguin clinic (k-3)yesterday. First off, i thought kids would be separated by age, they weren't and that is a broad range of age/skill maturity. 25+ kids ONE COACH, plus a 4th grader helping out. That's not right.


You should go to the ones listed on BOTC. Tried and true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/03/16 02:45 PM
Save your money, especially at that age. If you have even decent athletic ability, you can do a better job of training your kid. The key is taking the time. For the price of an hour with a trainer you can buy two good skill buiding DVD's. There a endless free videos on You Tube, etc. Put the money into a bucket of balls, some cones and a portable cage.
I learned the hard way that most of these clinics and trainers aren't providing anything I couldn't do myself, and I never played the game. I wouldn't include specialized training for goalies or FOGO's in this, but that can wait until
he is 12 or so.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/03/16 02:56 PM
I appreciate the advice and agree with you 100%. That being said, I'm also his coach and i'd like him to hear another voice telling him what i do and to reinforce. There is also a competitive aspect involv ed when competeing/playing with other kids. Appreciate your non-sarcastic input though. Aslo, thank you Larry for recommendation.
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Complaint Department - 06/03/16 03:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I appreciate the advice and agree with you 100%. That being said, I'm also his coach and i'd like him to hear another voice telling him what i do and to reinforce. There is also a competitive aspect involv ed when competeing/playing with other kids. Appreciate your non-sarcastic input though. Aslo, thank you Larry for recommendation.


I trained my son when he was small.. we couldn't do it as he grew older, I knew nothing. He did whatever the trainer said to do and he worked hard with him.. Just sayin.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/03/16 03:22 PM
Been there done that. I have done a lot the past 10 years with 3 boys and 2 girls.

Most of the stuff I have brought my kids to were never publicized though, it was always word of mouth. Sometimes at those you know the coaches are coaching or watching and the players want to get better or be the best they can.

I will also say don't just stick to one organization for clinics and camps especially at the early ages. There is so much movement and regional things you will hear when exposing your son or daughter to the clinics of the differing teams. And they learn more.

all that said, you need to try and go expose your son or daughter to all different clinics. If you go to a clinic before a camp you will see how they treat your son/daughter there then you know how a team or camp will work out. there are some others out there that were miserable and frankly I don't remember (unless the names are brought up), there were some that at the time I didn't think it was worth it, as a paying parent, until I saw the benefits afterwards... sometime the results take time!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/03/16 06:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
AA is all abt money for himself..He could care less abt ur son


Double A is the Enforcer and a Horseman. And Horseman are for life! Woooo!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/03/16 07:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
AA is all abt money for himself..He could care less abt ur son


Double A is the Enforcer and a Horseman. And Horseman are for life! Woooo!

What does your cryptic statement mean?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/03/16 09:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
AA is all abt money for himself..He could care less abt ur son


Not true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/04/16 03:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
AA is all abt money for himself..He could care less abt ur son


Double A is the Enforcer and a Horseman. And Horseman are for life! Woooo!

What does your cryptic statement mean?


Haha....Horseman vs. Legion of Doom....classic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/05/16 03:59 PM
That is the same AA who saw thw weather report today and moved his teams practice indoor and ate the cost. How many others do that. Truth is they are the most organized and well run to the benefit of the kids and families who are there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/06/16 12:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
AA is all abt money for himself..He could care less abt ur son


Double A is the Enforcer and a Horseman. And Horseman are for life! Woooo!

What does your cryptic statement mean?


Haha....Horseman vs. Legion of Doom....classic.


Whether you like it or not, learn to love it cause it's the best thing going, Wooo!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/06/16 01:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
AA is all abt money for himself..He could care less abt ur son


Go back in your hole

Not true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/07/16 02:43 PM
All right, I'm the guy that posted how bad the igloo k-3 clinic was. Well, My K son went to Outlaws k-3 clinc last night and it was great. kids split by grade, at least 2 coaches per group-it was very good. I've read all the negatives about outlaws on here, but at least at that age it was a good clinic. For the record, my older son is affiliated with a different program. just posting some honest feedback, no bash or propaganda intended.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/07/16 03:10 PM
because he has all your money already and he is giving you a little back so you dont feel violated near your wallet
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/07/16 03:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All right, I'm the guy that posted how bad the igloo k-3 clinic was. Well, My K son went to Outlaws k-3 clinc last night and it was great. kids split by grade, at least 2 coaches per group-it was very good. I've read all the negatives about outlaws on here, but at least at that age it was a good clinic. For the record, my older son is affiliated with a different program. just posting some honest feedback, no bash or propaganda intended.


Brought my little guy too. Thought it was great. He had a blast and had a lot of reps overall. And no I'm not affiliated with the organization at all
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Complaint Department - 06/07/16 03:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All right, I'm the guy that posted how bad the igloo k-3 clinic was. Well, My K son went to Outlaws k-3 clinc last night and it was great. kids split by grade, at least 2 coaches per group-it was very good. I've read all the negatives about outlaws on here, but at least at that age it was a good clinic. For the record, my older son is affiliated with a different program. just posting some honest feedback, no bash or propaganda intended.


Don't "read" too much into any of the negatives that you see.. As far as I am concerned, this organization is top notch and honorable..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/07/16 05:35 PM
Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All right, I'm the guy that posted how bad the igloo k-3 clinic was. Well, My K son went to Outlaws k-3 clinc last night and it was great. kids split by grade, at least 2 coaches per group-it was very good. I've read all the negatives about outlaws on here, but at least at that age it was a good clinic. For the record, my older son is affiliated with a different program. just posting some honest feedback, no bash or propaganda intended.


Don't "read" too much into any of the negatives that you see.. As far as I am concerned, this organization is top notch and honorable..


What happened to the free clinic? It is a fair question.

A fair question to ask Blatant. The clinic is not a LI Outlaw event. I do know that Blatant is working on getting the trainers back in.
Posted By: BlatantLacrosse Re: Complaint Department - 06/07/16 06:16 PM
New date coming very soon. Locking in locations and staff!!

Any questions give us a call.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/07/16 06:29 PM
I saw some of the worst officiating this weekend in Maryland. Completely biased, inconsistent, and sometimes outright wrong interpretations of the rules. For such a hot bed of lacrosse, you would think they could come up with better officials.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/07/16 06:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw some of the worst officiating this weekend in Maryland. Completely biased, inconsistent, and sometimes outright wrong interpretations of the rules. For such a hot bed of lacrosse, you would think they could come up with better officials.


Yea. Long Island officials are great. They aren't biased. Stand on midline and don't move for anyone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/07/16 09:16 PM
Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All right, I'm the guy that posted how bad the igloo k-3 clinic was. Well, My K son went to Outlaws k-3 clinc last night and it was great. kids split by grade, at least 2 coaches per group-it was very good. I've read all the negatives about outlaws on here, but at least at that age it was a good clinic. For the record, my older son is affiliated with a different program. just posting some honest feedback, no bash or propaganda intended.


Don't "read" too much into any of the negatives that you see.. As far as I am concerned, this organization is top notch and honorable..


When I get the chance I'll log in, PM you. We'll connect and I'll tell you my story. Perhaps then, you will believe otherwise.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/07/16 10:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw some of the worst officiating this weekend in Maryland. Completely biased, inconsistent, and sometimes outright wrong interpretations of the rules. For such a hot bed of lacrosse, you would think they could come up with better officials.


Yea. Long Island officials are great. They aren't biased. Stand on midline and don't move for anyone.


The officiating at the youth lacrosse level is just atrocious no matter where its played. Not much better at the high school level either. Seems to get marginally better at the NCAA level but still pretty bad
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/15/16 01:05 PM
When are parents going to wake up and see what these bigger elite clubs really are? These clubs are there not to develop our kids.They are there to make as much money as possible and in most cases inflate the directors and coaches Egos.They make a ton of money at tryouts and select a team.You as a parent make a decision to join this particular team based on where your kid falls in the pecking order of the other boys on the team .But if a big tournament comes up and another really good kid is available to play ,it's become the norm for a coach to grab that kid while your kid sits!...how is that ok? You paid money to be there ! When are these teams going to be held accountable for this ? Is it your job to make kids better or to search high and low during a season for a kid that's better than a kid you selected. Really sad we as parents are still flocking to these tryouts for this crazy pipe dream they are selling
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/15/16 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When are parents going to wake up and see what these bigger elite clubs really are? These clubs are there not to develop our kids.They are there to make as much money as possible and in most cases inflate the directors and coaches Egos.They make a ton of money at tryouts and select a team.You as a parent make a decision to join this particular team based on where your kid falls in the pecking order of the other boys on the team .But if a big tournament comes up and another really good kid is available to play ,it's become the norm for a coach to grab that kid while your kid sits!...how is that ok? You paid money to be there ! When are these teams going to be held accountable for this ? Is it your job to make kids better or to search high and low during a season for a kid that's better than a kid you selected. Really sad we as parents are still flocking to these tryouts for this crazy pipe dream they are selling


this does not happen on the girls side
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/15/16 02:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw some of the worst officiating this weekend in Maryland. Completely biased, inconsistent, and sometimes outright wrong interpretations of the rules. For such a hot bed of lacrosse, you would think they could come up with better officials.


Yea. Long Island officials are great. They aren't biased. Stand on midline and don't move for anyone.


The officiating at the youth lacrosse level is just atrocious no matter where its played. Not much better at the high school level either. Seems to get marginally better at the NCAA level but still pretty bad
. There's been an obvious explosive level of growth in lacrosse, from summer travel tournaments, etc. to just generally speaking, and unfortunately the quantity and quality of officiating hasn't kept up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/19/16 11:34 AM
the 2018 travel team was beating the 2019/2020 town team by 12, 2018 sent the goalie to score late in the game. goalie gets leveled by a middie injured out for weeks with a shoulder injury. middie gets a 2 min penelty. the questions are who is to blame? who is in the wrong? discuss. thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/19/16 12:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the 2018 travel team was beating the 2019/2020 town team by 12, 2018 sent the goalie to score late in the game. goalie gets leveled by a middie injured out for weeks with a shoulder injury. middie gets a 2 min penelty. the questions are who is to blame? who is in the wrong? discuss. thanks


Up by 12 vs kids 2 years younger late in the game....call off the dogs. No justifiable reason that the goalie should be running length of the field. Result sucks for the kid that he is out for weeks, but sounds like the team will be weaker moving forward cause they had to pile on.

And before anyone gets their panties in a bunch -- I'm not saying anyone targetted the goalie, or he deserved it individually. Coach should know better. Bring in the backups and drain the clock.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/19/16 01:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the 2018 travel team was beating the 2019/2020 town team by 12, 2018 sent the goalie to score late in the game. goalie gets leveled by a middie injured out for weeks with a shoulder injury. middie gets a 2 min penelty. the questions are who is to blame? who is in the wrong? discuss. thanks


Up by 12 vs kids 2 years younger late in the game....call off the dogs. No justifiable reason that the goalie should be running length of the field. Result sucks for the kid that he is out for weeks, but sounds like the team will be weaker moving forward cause they had to pile on.

Tournament that allows that matchup should be subject to a lawsuit for stupidity and the coach who sends the goalie should recall Mark Sanchez and Jason Seahorn stupidity!
And before anyone gets their panties in a bunch -- I'm not saying anyone targetted the goalie, or he deserved it individually. Coach should know better. Bring in the backups and drain the clock.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/19/16 08:58 PM
Anyone else have issues with Waze coming home this weekend
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/20/16 10:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the 2018 travel team was beating the 2019/2020 town team by 12, 2018 sent the goalie to score late in the game. goalie gets leveled by a middie injured out for weeks with a shoulder injury. middie gets a 2 min penelty. the questions are who is to blame? who is in the wrong? discuss. thanks


Sound like lots of stupidity to go around. Feel bad for the kid that got hurt, but really call the dogs off. No goalie should be running the length trying to score (ESPECIALLY in a blow out vs younger kids)
BTW, what tournament had a matchup like this?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/20/16 10:39 AM
You want to blame WAZE when there is no way to avoid the traffic on a beautiful beach day and with Father's Day on top of that? She saved me by driving me around back off route 110 Saturday.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/20/16 12:04 PM
I never approve of dangerous play but this goalie got hurt because he was playing for a TOOL of a coach.

On the girls side its worse, up by 10 and 1 girl has 8 goals and still going to the cage (because that's what her dad keeps yelling) and they wonder why girls are swinging sticks at her ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/20/16 12:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the 2018 travel team was beating the 2019/2020 town team by 12, 2018 sent the goalie to score late in the game. goalie gets leveled by a middie injured out for weeks with a shoulder injury. middie gets a 2 min penelty. the questions are who is to blame? who is in the wrong? discuss. thanks


Sound like lots of stupidity to go around. Feel bad for the kid that got hurt, but really call the dogs off. No goalie should be running the length trying to score (ESPECIALLY in a blow out vs younger kids)
BTW, what tournament had a matchup like this?


Majority of the blame goes to HC of travel team who was overwhelming a younger town squad in a one sided affair
Posted By: The Hop Re: Complaint Department - 06/20/16 01:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the 2018 travel team was beating the 2019/2020 town team by 12, 2018 sent the goalie to score late in the game. goalie gets leveled by a middie injured out for weeks with a shoulder injury. middie gets a 2 min penelty. the questions are who is to blame? who is in the wrong? discuss. thanks


Sound like lots of stupidity to go around. Feel bad for the kid that got hurt, but really call the dogs off. No goalie should be running the length trying to score (ESPECIALLY in a blow out vs younger kids)
BTW, what tournament had a matchup like this?


Majority of the blame goes to HC of travel team who was overwhelming a younger town squad in a one sided affair


Why does there have to be any blame?
The goalie saw an opportunity and took it. They were on the field playing a game and they were playing it as they should.
Unfortunate injury but it sometimes happens.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/20/16 02:07 PM
The refs are mostly too old and can't or won't run in the summer heat - and it hasn't been overwhelmingly hot this year so far. Refs are routinely making calls from 40-50 yards away. There needs to be a greater effort to get younger guys in their. One young guy (I am guessing early 30s) yesterday was excellent. Ran his [lacrosse] off, and was very authoritative and vocal explaining his calls. Always on top of the play, and even when he got something "wrong", parents didn't say anything because the guy was giving it 100% and was getting everything else right.

Its very frustrating for me to see an obvious wrong call (or wrong non-call) when I, on the sideline, are MUCH closer to the play than the ref is. A big one, at the younger levels, is the stick on stick, and then the ball carrier falls. That should never be a push, but from 40 yards away its impossible to tell and often these refs are blowing the whistle. Its confusing to a 10 year old who thinks he made a proper check and made a real effort to stay off the kid's back.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/21/16 06:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The refs are mostly too old and can't or won't run in the summer heat - and it hasn't been overwhelmingly hot this year so far. Refs are routinely making calls from 40-50 yards away. There needs to be a greater effort to get younger guys in their. One young guy (I am guessing early 30s) yesterday was excellent. Ran his [lacrosse] off, and was very authoritative and vocal explaining his calls. Always on top of the play, and even when he got something "wrong", parents didn't say anything because the guy was giving it 100% and was getting everything else right.

Its very frustrating for me to see an obvious wrong call (or wrong non-call) when I, on the sideline, are MUCH closer to the play than the ref is. A big one, at the younger levels, is the stick on stick, and then the ball carrier falls. That should never be a push, but from 40 yards away its impossible to tell and often these refs are blowing the whistle. Its confusing to a 10 year old who thinks he made a proper check and made a real effort to stay off the kid's back.


Does NCLOA / SCLOA encourage teams to rate the officials at their games? This could be a step in the right direction if it doesn't exist today. Give positive feedback for the young guy doing it right & give poor feedback for the guy who is making the call from across the field.


This is probably an issue across all sports, not just lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/21/16 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The refs are mostly too old and can't or won't run in the summer heat - and it hasn't been overwhelmingly hot this year so far. Refs are routinely making calls from 40-50 yards away. There needs to be a greater effort to get younger guys in their. One young guy (I am guessing early 30s) yesterday was excellent. Ran his [lacrosse] off, and was very authoritative and vocal explaining his calls. Always on top of the play, and even when he got something "wrong", parents didn't say anything because the guy was giving it 100% and was getting everything else right.

Its very frustrating for me to see an obvious wrong call (or wrong non-call) when I, on the sideline, are MUCH closer to the play than the ref is. A big one, at the younger levels, is the stick on stick, and then the ball carrier falls. That should never be a push, but from 40 yards away its impossible to tell and often these refs are blowing the whistle. Its confusing to a 10 year old who thinks he made a proper check and made a real effort to stay off the kid's back.


Does NCLOA / SCLOA encourage teams to rate the officials at their games? This could be a step in the right direction if it doesn't exist today. Give positive feedback for the young guy doing it right & give poor feedback for the guy who is making the call from across the field.


This is probably an issue across all sports, not just lacrosse.


But nothing will change, there are not enough referee's as it is. Check the web site, they are always looking for refs. Who has the time to ref a game at 3:00 on a Tuesday during the school year? It is a tough job to fill. You can rank them as poorly as you want they will be there anyways.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/21/16 07:08 PM
Listen people. Unless we all start putting in complaints to the attorney general of New [lacrosse] the scam will continue to take place. These teams are taking our money without any type of contract and can pretty much bend the rules how they see fit. Would you give a contractor 3k without a contract of the work that would be done? No way. Travel lax has gotten so big on Long Island that there needs to be some regulation or we will continue to be ripped off
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/21/16 09:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen people. Unless we all start putting in complaints to the attorney general of New [lacrosse] the scam will continue to take place. These teams are taking our money without any type of contract and can pretty much bend the rules how they see fit. Would you give a contractor 3k without a contract of the work that would be done? No way. Travel lax has gotten so big on Long Island that there needs to be some regulation or we will continue to be ripped off


This is the stupidest thing ever written.

We need to be protected from the big bad travel lacrosse organizations. "Please Mr. Schneiderman, stop tracking down corrupt politicians and make sure I get the RP3 head that they promised my son with his tuition."

Just so stupid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/21/16 09:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen people. Unless we all start putting in complaints to the attorney general of New [lacrosse] the scam will continue to take place. These teams are taking our money without any type of contract and can pretty much bend the rules how they see fit. Would you give a contractor 3k without a contract of the work that would be done? No way. Travel lax has gotten so big on Long Island that there needs to be some regulation or we will continue to be ripped off


No one forces anyone to participate, if it doesn't work for your son or daughter then don't do it pretty simple.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/21/16 10:21 PM
Where is the schedule for the Express tournament. They can't even put forth a good effort running a tournament where they make $$$
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Complaint Department - 06/21/16 10:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where is the schedule for the Express tournament. They can't even put forth a good effort running a tournament where they make $$$


BOTC can not help you with that. I suggest that you contact Mike C.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/21/16 11:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where is the schedule for the Express tournament. They can't even put forth a good effort running a tournament where they make $$$

All for the low low price of $1,700 per team!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/23/16 08:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where is the schedule for the Express tournament. They can't even put forth a good effort running a tournament where they make $$$

All for the low low price of $1,700 per team!!


But everyone will attend
The only thing clubs understand is a hit to the wallet
Sorry but facts are facts
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/23/16 11:31 PM
Much worse I am sure then all the other tournaments tha don't rip you off right? You and your checkbook pay to play in all of them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/24/16 02:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen people. Unless we all start putting in complaints to the attorney general of New [lacrosse] the scam will continue to take place. These teams are taking our money without any type of contract and can pretty much bend the rules how they see fit. Would you give a contractor 3k without a contract of the work that would be done? No way. Travel lax has gotten so big on Long Island that there needs to be some regulation or we will continue to be ripped off


This is the stupidest thing ever written.

We need to be protected from the big bad travel lacrosse organizations. "Please Mr. Schneiderman, stop tracking down corrupt politicians and make sure I get the RP3 head that they promised my son with his tuition."

Just so stupid.


Chanenchuk still owes me a pair of Express shorts from 6 years ago. Is that a State congressman or a county executive that I need to contact?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 06/24/16 03:08 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen people. Unless we all start putting in complaints to the attorney general of New [lacrosse] the scam will continue to take place. These teams are taking our money without any type of contract and can pretty much bend the rules how they see fit. Would you give a contractor 3k without a contract of the work that would be done? No way. Travel lax has gotten so big on Long Island that there needs to be some regulation or we will continue to be ripped off


This is the stupidest thing ever written.

We need to be protected from the big bad travel lacrosse organizations. "Please Mr. Schneiderman, stop tracking down corrupt politicians and make sure I get the RP3 head that they promised my son with his tuition."

Just so stupid.


Chanenchuk still owes me a pair of Express shorts from 6 years ago. Is that a State congressman or a county executive that I need to contact?


Ah were those the bubble shorts
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/07/16 03:56 PM
I agree. Really shouldn't be that difficult. Some tourneys have them out weeks in advance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/07/16 04:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen people. Unless we all start putting in complaints to the attorney general of New [lacrosse] the scam will continue to take place. These teams are taking our money without any type of contract and can pretty much bend the rules how they see fit. Would you give a contractor 3k without a contract of the work that would be done? No way. Travel lax has gotten so big on Long Island that there needs to be some regulation or we will continue to be ripped off


This is the stupidest thing ever written.

We need to be protected from the big bad travel lacrosse organizations. "Please Mr. Schneiderman, stop tracking down corrupt politicians and make sure I get the RP3 head that they promised my son with his tuition."

Just so stupid.


Chanenchuk still owes me a pair of Express shorts from 6 years ago. Is that a State congressman or a county executive that I need to contact?


Ah were those the bubble shorts


Travel lacrosse is an OPTION for you and your kid. No one is forcing you to pay the $. If you're not happy don't play!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/08/16 01:07 AM
Maverik schedule????? This is ridiculous. People have more than one kid or event this weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/08/16 01:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maverik schedule????? This is ridiculous. People have more than one kid or event this weekend.

They sent it to the directors yesterday.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/08/16 02:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maverik schedule????? This is ridiculous. People have more than one kid or event this weekend.

They sent it to the directors yesterday.


They made many errors and will be correcting tonight
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/08/16 11:19 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen people. Unless we all start putting in complaints to the attorney general of New [lacrosse] the scam will continue to take place. These teams are taking our money without any type of contract and can pretty much bend the rules how they see fit. Would you give a contractor 3k without a contract of the work that would be done? No way. Travel lax has gotten so big on Long Island that there needs to be some regulation or we will continue to be ripped off


This is the stupidest thing ever written.

We need to be protected from the big bad travel lacrosse organizations. "Please Mr. Schneiderman, stop tracking down corrupt politicians and make sure I get the RP3 head that they promised my son with his tuition."

Just so stupid.


Chanenchuk still owes me a pair of Express shorts from 6 years ago. Is that a State congressman or a county executive that I need to contact?


Ah were those the bubble shorts


Travel lacrosse is an OPTION for you and your kid. No one is forcing you to pay the $. If you're not happy don't play!


Don't be a tool, if you pay for a service any company should provide what they promised even the crooks in club lacrosse
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/08/16 05:48 PM
BigtimeSHITOut.
What a bunch of jerkOFFFFFFFFFs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/08/16 06:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BigtimeSHITOut.
What a bunch of jerkOFFFFFFFFFs


WHAT HAPPEND?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/09/16 03:04 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BigtimeSHITOut.
What a bunch of jerkOFFFFFFFFFs

You are completely correct. They have changed the schedule at least 4 times in the last 2 days. Whoever is doing the schedule is completely over his head and keeps making it worse with every change.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/09/16 08:55 AM
True Blue is playing true blue in 2022 bracket

Absolutely no thought is put into this POS tournament

wth.???? Why pay 1500 to play against a team you
Can play for free?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BigtimeSHITOut.
What a bunch of jerkOFFFFFFFFFs

You are completely correct. They have changed the schedule at least 4 times in the last 2 days. Whoever is doing the schedule is completely over his head and keeps making it worse with every change.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/09/16 01:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
True Blue is playing true blue in 2022 bracket

Absolutely no thought is put into this POS tournament

wth.???? Why pay 1500 to play against a team you
Can play for free?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BigtimeSHITOut.
What a bunch of jerkOFFFFFFFFFs

You are completely correct. They have changed the schedule at least 4 times in the last 2 days. Whoever is doing the schedule is completely over his head and keeps making it worse with every change.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
True Blue is playing true blue in 2022 bracket

Absolutely no thought is put into this POS tournament

wth.???? Why pay 1500 to play against a team you
Can play for free?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BigtimeSHITOut.
What a bunch of jerkOFFFFFFFFFs

You are completely correct. They have changed the schedule at least 4 times in the last 2 days. Whoever is doing the schedule is completely over his head and keeps making it worse with every change.



That's the chance you take when your club puts 2 teams in the same tournament there really should be 2 pools though.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/09/16 09:55 PM
Refs at Maverik Big Time Shootout were awful.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/10/16 08:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Refs at Maverik Big Time Shootout were awful.

This was absolutely the worst run tournament in my 6 years of being involved in travel lacrosse. Maverik should be ashamed of themselves.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/10/16 10:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Refs at Maverik Big Time Shootout were awful.

This was absolutely the worst run tournament in my 6 years of being involved in travel lacrosse. Maverik should be ashamed of themselves.
and they made a fortune!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/11/16 05:36 AM
When will someone start policing the ages of kids in tournaments. 2025 True Blue played Express this weekend. Beat them in their first game and met them again in the Championship. Only difference was they grabbed 5-7 kids from their 2024 team to beat the 2025 True Blue Team in the Championship..

What kind of BS is this. Start checking birth certificates like Football and Baseball. All organizations like Express care about is winning tournaments even if it means cheating so they can charge more money!!!!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/11/16 03:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When will someone start policing the ages of kids in tournaments. 2025 True Blue played Express this weekend. Beat them in their first game and met them again in the Championship. Only difference was they grabbed 5-7 kids from their 2024 team to beat the 2025 True Blue Team in the Championship..

What kind of BS is this. Start checking birth certificates like Football and Baseball. All organizations like Express care about is winning tournaments even if it means cheating so they can charge more money!!!!



Really shouldn't be difficult. Submit a team roster prior to 1st game of tourney. Check the roster prior to start of each game. If kid isn't on the submitted roster, then can't play.

Of course teams will always find ways around that - register more kids than on the team....give kids different jerseys....etc

But at least try to make the game as fair as possible
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/11/16 03:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When will someone start policing the ages of kids in tournaments. 2025 True Blue played Express this weekend. Beat them in their first game and met them again in the Championship. Only difference was they grabbed 5-7 kids from their 2024 team to beat the 2025 True Blue Team in the Championship..

What kind of BS is this. Start checking birth certificates like Football and Baseball. All organizations like Express care about is winning tournaments even if it means cheating so they can charge more money!!!!



Went from a 6-1 loss to a 10-2 win. Something is fishy there. Anyone else there to confirm the shenanigans? It sure looks funny from the scores on Tourney Machine.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/11/16 04:10 PM
They used to do it, sick of express cheating, did it a couple of years ago as well. Their motto is sportsmanship, leadership, in what?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/11/16 04:20 PM
us lax is gutless and the tournaments and clubs are in it just for the cash. This has been going on for years. kids playing down, holdbacks etc.

Whatever these clubs and tournaments need to do to cash in.

Go like soccer, every kid has a player card with a photo END OF STORY. Change would be easy but the clubs who control the game don't want it
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/11/16 05:11 PM
What's probably worse are the 2025 parents whose kids sat that championship game without complaint so little Johnny could get his t-shirt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
When will someone start policing the ages of kids in tournaments. 2025 True Blue played Express this weekend. Beat them in their first game and met them again in the Championship. Only difference was they grabbed 5-7 kids from their 2024 team to beat the 2025 True Blue Team in the Championship..

What kind of BS is this. Start checking birth certificates like Football and Baseball. All organizations like Express care about is winning tournaments even if it means cheating so they can charge more money!!!!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/11/16 05:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
us lax is gutless and the tournaments and clubs are in it just for the cash. This has been going on for years. kids playing down, holdbacks etc.

Whatever these clubs and tournaments need to do to cash in.

Go like soccer, every kid has a player card with a photo END OF STORY. Change would be easy but the clubs who control the game don't want it


Socccer had big issues with cheating, roster changes, , etc years ago...They cleaned it up with a simple player card with photo...So simple and administered by US Soccer.. I have very very rarely ever heard a parent say anything in Soccer close to what is said about players and grades, age in Lacrosse..Lacrosse is out of control in many tournaments and leagues....USL could easily do this??? Why not?? Gutless is all I can tell...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/12/16 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
us lax is gutless and the tournaments and clubs are in it just for the cash. This has been going on for years. kids playing down, holdbacks etc.

Whatever these clubs and tournaments need to do to cash in.

Go like soccer, every kid has a player card with a photo END OF STORY. Change would be easy but the clubs who control the game don't want it


Socccer had big issues with cheating, roster changes, , etc years ago...They cleaned it up with a simple player card with photo...So simple and administered by US Soccer.. I have very very rarely ever heard a parent say anything in Soccer close to what is said about players and grades, age in Lacrosse..Lacrosse is out of control in many tournaments and leagues....USL could easily do this??? Why not?? Gutless is all I can tell...


Roster changing in lacrosse isn't wrong. It isn't a clear league to maintain such a roster there are individual tournaments each week.

The only need for verification is for age range
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/12/16 02:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
us lax is gutless and the tournaments and clubs are in it just for the cash. This has been going on for years. kids playing down, holdbacks etc.

Whatever these clubs and tournaments need to do to cash in.

Go like soccer, every kid has a player card with a photo END OF STORY. Change would be easy but the clubs who control the game don't want it


Socccer had big issues with cheating, roster changes, , etc years ago...They cleaned it up with a simple player card with photo...So simple and administered by US Soccer.. I have very very rarely ever heard a parent say anything in Soccer close to what is said about players and grades, age in Lacrosse..Lacrosse is out of control in many tournaments and leagues....USL could easily do this??? Why not?? Gutless is all I can tell...


Roster changing in lacrosse isn't wrong. It isn't a clear league to maintain such a roster there are individual tournaments each week.

The only need for verification is for age range


I think the point is that roster changing shouldn't be allowed. You build a team for the summer season and you should ride that team.

Yes, tournaments are single events but the nature of swapping out half the team each tournament is a little sketchy.

Some sort of guideline/rule/whatever you want to call it..... Teams lock down 1 roster with a max of about 25-30 kids (which would give plenty of room for any necessary guest players) by around April 1. If a kid isn't on that list, they should not be allowed to play in any tournament for that club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/12/16 05:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
us lax is gutless and the tournaments and clubs are in it just for the cash. This has been going on for years. kids playing down, holdbacks etc.

Whatever these clubs and tournaments need to do to cash in.

Go like soccer, every kid has a player card with a photo END OF STORY. Change would be easy but the clubs who control the game don't want it


Socccer had big issues with cheating, roster changes, , etc years ago...They cleaned it up with a simple player card with photo...So simple and administered by US Soccer.. I have very very rarely ever heard a parent say anything in Soccer close to what is said about players and grades, age in Lacrosse..Lacrosse is out of control in many tournaments and leagues....USL could easily do this??? Why not?? Gutless is all I can tell...


Roster changing in lacrosse isn't wrong. It isn't a clear league to maintain such a roster there are individual tournaments each week.

The only need for verification is for age range


I think the point is that roster changing shouldn't be allowed. You build a team for the summer season and you should ride that team.

Yes, tournaments are single events but the nature of swapping out half the team each tournament is a little sketchy.

Some sort of guideline/rule/whatever you want to call it..... Teams lock down 1 roster with a max of about 25-30 kids (which would give plenty of room for any necessary guest players) by around April 1. If a kid isn't on that list, they should not be allowed to play in any tournament for that club.


You here of this practice all of the time with the boys teams. Why on earth would you keep your kid on a team that takes your money but brings in kids whenever they want and add them to the team to win a tournament? If this ever happened on my daughters team we would immediately start looking for another program to play on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/12/16 06:14 PM
The club directors, coaches, and some parents are only concerned with their win loss record. Most college recruiters don't even have an idea what the score is of the game they're watching. If a team pulled in ringers to win tourney games, my son would be long gone from that particular club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/13/16 02:04 AM
Guest players happen a lot and for two reasons. One is ok, one is sketchy as [lacrosse].

A team adds a tournament as an extra and needs to have a guest or two to fill out a roster to play because their team wasn't complete. this isn't so bad but it usually isn't in season and certainly isn't the bigger tournaments

They also invite guests to try to improve. If this is the case, and your son loses one minute of time, move on. It is your son that they are trying to upgrade from. You paid the fees but the greener grass is getting the time. go to a program that doesn't invite guests!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/15/16 04:40 PM
notice how the tryout fees have rocketed up this year?..used to be 25/50 bucks..now that is gonzo..just another way for programs to squeeze folks...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/15/16 05:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
notice how the tryout fees have rocketed up this year?..used to be 25/50 bucks..now that is gonzo..just another way for programs to squeeze folks...

Yeah, its hilarious for the "B" clubs to be charging those fees as well. I limited my son's tryouts this year to 1 club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/15/16 05:16 PM
yess...and the ones that do now send out in July!!...amazing..used to be a sort of gentleman's agreement they would wait until August to send out tryout notices...now its whoever can get the word out first....when are the parents just going to say enough is enough? yeah, yeah..I get all the greed reasons and tales that the parents get sold..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/15/16 05:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yess...and the ones that do now send out in July!!...amazing..used to be a sort of gentleman's agreement they would wait until August to send out tryout notices...now its whoever can get the word out first....when are the parents just going to say enough is enough? yeah, yeah..I get all the greed reasons and tales that the parents get sold..


I'd like to also know where these clubs get the balls to charge 100$ plus for a tryout. Other sports that people actually care about like basketball and soccer either don't charge at all, of a nominal fee. AAU basketball charges $25. That's fair. Just another money making racket for lax! Better off waiting for the dust settles after tryouts if your kid is a good player. Many teams hold second tryouts for free or recruit positions of need.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/15/16 05:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
notice how the tryout fees have rocketed up this year?..used to be 25/50 bucks..now that is gonzo..just another way for programs to squeeze folks...

Yeah, its hilarious for the "B" clubs to be charging those fees as well. I limited my son's tryouts this year to 1 club.


maybe on the flip side it will stop people from trying out for multiple clubs that they really don't have any intention of playing for? Maybe if they applied the tryout fee once you accept it would ease the sting and make you feel like you got something
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/15/16 06:45 PM
I had made a proposal a few years ago to a club owner (not a major club) that he should charge $500 for tryout and if the kid makes the team it is applied to tuition and if he is cut he gets a $450 refund. that would stop people from trying out for teams they have no intention of playing for. I know it will never happen and try out fees have become a huge revenue source but it would have been nice.

Another idea that will never happen is a club saying up front how many kids will be on a team and how many spots are open.

good luck with that as well
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/15/16 07:18 PM
You think directors care about having too many kids try out?...at 50/75 a pop?...they love it...they all know they will get a team because as folks have said before, there is a team for everyone...wave those tryout fees in and pay for the end of season vacation..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/20/16 05:03 PM
no body should complain about tryouts...

Why because you decide to go they don't put a gun to your head. and why do you go because you think little Johnnie has a chance. They you get upset when they say he didn't make it and you thought he played better than some others.

Tryouts aren't like all star games, where the best always get picked (oh wait did I say the best get picked sorry). It is all political if little Johnnie is good get him to some of the clinics of the teams you may be interested in. Give him a shot by giving them a preview.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/22/16 04:55 PM
Just came back from the Girls U15 National Championships in Indiana. Definitely regretting having made the trip. Numbers of teams in competition is way down. It is ridiculous US Lacrosse even has a U13 and U14 competition with about 7 teams in them. Can't call this a National Championship.

On top of that the sportsmanship (or lack of) displayed by the coaches and parents of the YJs was despicable. They clearly were the top teams at that competition, but the lack of class exhibited by coaching and parents was incomprehensible. Beating teams by 10-15+ scores with players going to trick shots and yet parents and coaches still complaining about every call and non-call. It is unfortunate that CR has such a stake in US Lacrosse because everyone is afraid to call her out on her out on the lack of sportsmanship she breeds in her club. The main principle US Lacrosse would like to uphold in this sport Yellow Jackets are the biggest offenders of.

Without a doubt they are one of the top clubs in the country within girls lacrosse, but they should learn to act like it!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/22/16 05:44 PM
Now clubs are charging $85/$95 to tryout. What a scam! And of course all the crazy parents will pay it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/22/16 05:55 PM
so you are the "sane" parent who gets a better deal?.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/22/16 06:00 PM
But you are right, its criminal...going from 25/35 to 50 to now almost 100 bucks??...and guarantee that team fees go up next year...whatever the mkt will take, the directors will give...sort of like Ron Jeremy...
and folks wonder why lax perceived as the "rich kids sport"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/22/16 06:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just came back from the Girls U15 National Championships in Indiana. Definitely regretting having made the trip. Numbers of teams in competition is way down. It is ridiculous US Lacrosse even has a U13 and U14 competition with about 7 teams in them. Can't call this a National Championship.

On top of that the sportsmanship (or lack of) displayed by the coaches and parents of the YJs was despicable. They clearly were the top teams at that competition, but the lack of class exhibited by coaching and parents was incomprehensible. Beating teams by 10-15+ scores with players going to trick shots and yet parents and coaches still complaining about every call and non-call. It is unfortunate that CR has such a stake in US Lacrosse because everyone is afraid to call her out on her out on the lack of sportsmanship she breeds in her club. The main principle US Lacrosse would like to uphold in this sport Yellow Jackets are the biggest offenders of.

Without a doubt they are one of the top clubs in the country within girls lacrosse, but they should learn to act like it!


Next year there is not going to be a U15 division it will be a U12,13,14 modified checking tournament that not one team will attend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/22/16 06:15 PM
Nobody is happy paying it sherlock, but what's the alternative. Have your kid not play on a club team because of a tryout fee.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/22/16 06:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just came back from the Girls U15 National Championships in Indiana. Definitely regretting having made the trip. Numbers of teams in competition is way down. It is ridiculous US Lacrosse even has a U13 and U14 competition with about 7 teams in them. Can't call this a National Championship.

On top of that the sportsmanship (or lack of) displayed by the coaches and parents of the YJs was despicable. They clearly were the top teams at that competition, but the lack of class exhibited by coaching and parents was incomprehensible. Beating teams by 10-15+ scores with players going to trick shots and yet parents and coaches still complaining about every call and non-call. It is unfortunate that CR has such a stake in US Lacrosse because everyone is afraid to call her out on her out on the lack of sportsmanship she breeds in her club. The main principle US Lacrosse would like to uphold in this sport Yellow Jackets are the biggest offenders of.

Without a doubt they are one of the top clubs in the country within girls lacrosse, but they should learn to act like it!


Two YJ teams outscored their opponents 125 - 15 and won multiple games by over 22 goals I think the worst was 25-1 and 23-0
GIVE ME A F-IN BREAK. Classless bad people from top to bottom. Directors, coaches & parents. Not sure if you can blame the kids even though they know better when their coach and parents keep telling them to go to the cage.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/22/16 07:37 PM
Not at all. We all drank the Kool Aid. I limited my son to trying out for two teams of his choice.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/23/16 08:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just came back from the Girls U15 National Championships in Indiana. Definitely regretting having made the trip. Numbers of teams in competition is way down. It is ridiculous US Lacrosse even has a U13 and U14 competition with about 7 teams in them. Can't call this a National Championship.

On top of that the sportsmanship (or lack of) displayed by the coaches and parents of the YJs was despicable. They clearly were the top teams at that competition, but the lack of class exhibited by coaching and parents was incomprehensible. Beating teams by 10-15+ scores with players going to trick shots and yet parents and coaches still complaining about every call and non-call. It is unfortunate that CR has such a stake in US Lacrosse because everyone is afraid to call her out on her out on the lack of sportsmanship she breeds in her club. The main principle US Lacrosse would like to uphold in this sport Yellow Jackets are the biggest offenders of.

Without a doubt they are one of the top clubs in the country within girls lacrosse, but they should learn to act like it!


Two YJ teams outscored their opponents 125 - 15 and won multiple games by over 22 goals I think the worst was 25-1 and 23-0
GIVE ME A F-IN BREAK. Classless bad people from top to bottom. Directors, coaches & parents. Not sure if you can blame the kids even though they know better when their coach and parents keep telling them to go to the cage.


You act like this behavior from them isn't normal. We are talking Long Island, people. The most classless group of parents and coaches. Talented group of girls, I give them that. But they are overshadowed by the sideline behaviors of those who are supposed to be cheering them on. It's gross behavior any way you look at it. And God help the teams that DO beat them. When the LI parents turn on the players, it's disgusting. I have been on the sidelines for years with them, watching their behavior. Nothing has changed, no matter the age group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/24/16 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just came back from the Girls U15 National Championships in Indiana. Definitely regretting having made the trip. Numbers of teams in competition is way down. It is ridiculous US Lacrosse even has a U13 and U14 competition with about 7 teams in them. Can't call this a National Championship.

On top of that the sportsmanship (or lack of) displayed by the coaches and parents of the YJs was despicable. They clearly were the top teams at that competition, but the lack of class exhibited by coaching and parents was incomprehensible. Beating teams by 10-15+ scores with players going to trick shots and yet parents and coaches still complaining about every call and non-call. It is unfortunate that CR has such a stake in US Lacrosse because everyone is afraid to call her out on her out on the lack of sportsmanship she breeds in her club. The main principle US Lacrosse would like to uphold in this sport Yellow Jackets are the biggest offenders of.

Without a doubt they are one of the top clubs in the country within girls lacrosse, but they should learn to act like it!


Two YJ teams outscored their opponents 125 - 15 and won multiple games by over 22 goals I think the worst was 25-1 and 23-0
GIVE ME A F-IN BREAK. Classless bad people from top to bottom. Directors, coaches & parents. Not sure if you can blame the kids even though they know better when their coach and parents keep telling them to go to the cage.


You act like this behavior from them isn't normal. We are talking Long Island, people. The most classless group of parents and coaches. Talented group of girls, I give them that. But they are overshadowed by the sideline behaviors of those who are supposed to be cheering them on. It's gross behavior any way you look at it. And God help the teams that DO beat them. When the LI parents turn on the players, it's disgusting. I have been on the sidelines for years with them, watching their behavior. Nothing has changed, no matter the age group.


I think you have grossly misstated by grouping "Long Island" teams together, please keep it specific to YJ. I have been on the sidelines for 10+ years now and yes, there are NJ, PA, CT, MA and MD parents and coaches who don't act so eloquently on the side line. What is consistent is the deplorable behavior from the YJ teams and sidelines. My daughters have played against many Long Island teams that are respectable, there for the competitiveness and exhibit good sportsmanship. Don't make this a Long Island vs. whoever post. It is one specific club that are the repeat offenders over and over again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/24/16 01:49 PM
Boys,
Someone tell me these new alliances while may have helped certain years 2019 2020, could it also be the death of lacrosse at 2021 2022. What is next. Come on all of you outlier followers what is the next thing.

Girls,
I think you can lead the way, unless spallina gets a girls team and you can play on it. Girls don't follow the traps of the boys. I know YJ and TG and Liberty and Elevate have been around but go back to your HS coaches tell her/him, coach you coach a travel team, why not just concentrate on your town team in the summer. Invite in special guests from the town that have made an impact in NCAA's. Big back town pride not club pride.

Now for towns that don't have a strong program I understand the club scene, I also understand the Allstate lure, but these days it is all political anyway.

Why can't teams like. West Babylon you keep your TG Northport you keep your YJ. Smithtown do you really need YJ, West Islip do you really think you need a club. Manhasett, Garden City, ESM, Ward Meliville, east Islip, BBP, Bay Shore you have the biggest upside here.





Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/24/16 01:54 PM
Very true last week we played a team who admittedly got beat by a LI team doesn't make a difference the name. But we all know who. They had to keep asking if we were from LI, because although we were in the lead we cheered for the good lacrosse play (and winced at the bad IQ plays) regardless of team. They said we restored their faith that all LI teams and parents weren't all aholes .

Our response was not all but unfortunately some.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/24/16 02:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just came back from the Girls U15 National Championships in Indiana. Definitely regretting having made the trip. Numbers of teams in competition is way down. It is ridiculous US Lacrosse even has a U13 and U14 competition with about 7 teams in them. Can't call this a National Championship.

On top of that the sportsmanship (or lack of) displayed by the coaches and parents of the YJs was despicable. They clearly were the top teams at that competition, but the lack of class exhibited by coaching and parents was incomprehensible. Beating teams by 10-15+ scores with players going to trick shots and yet parents and coaches still complaining about every call and non-call. It is unfortunate that CR has such a stake in US Lacrosse because everyone is afraid to call her out on her out on the lack of sportsmanship she breeds in her club. The main principle US Lacrosse would like to uphold in this sport Yellow Jackets are the biggest offenders of.

Without a doubt they are one of the top clubs in the country within girls lacrosse, but they should learn to act like it!


Two YJ teams outscored their opponents 125 - 15 and won multiple games by over 22 goals I think the worst was 25-1 and 23-0
GIVE ME A F-IN BREAK. Classless bad people from top to bottom. Directors, coaches & parents. Not sure if you can blame the kids even though they know better when their coach and parents keep telling them to go to the cage.


You act like this behavior from them isn't normal. We are talking Long Island, people. The most classless group of parents and coaches. Talented group of girls, I give them that. But they are overshadowed by the sideline behaviors of those who are supposed to be cheering them on. It's gross behavior any way you look at it. And God help the teams that DO beat them. When the LI parents turn on the players, it's disgusting. I have been on the sidelines for years with them, watching their behavior. Nothing has changed, no matter the age group.


I think you have grossly misstated by grouping "Long Island" teams together, please keep it specific to YJ. I have been on the sidelines for 10+ years now and yes, there are NJ, PA, CT, MA and MD parents and coaches who don't act so eloquently on the side line. What is consistent is the deplorable behavior from the YJ teams and sidelines. My daughters have played against many Long Island teams that are respectable, there for the competitiveness and exhibit good sportsmanship. Don't make this a Long Island vs. whoever post. It is one specific club that are the repeat offenders over and over again.


So if your team is winning you should not get any calls? Interesting concept. To the parents of the teams getting beat by double digits, you were all perfectly behaved? Please be objective here. I think the bigger problem it that the whole tournament was laughable. The best teams did not show up. Top YJ teams were literally playing girls two full years younger. How do you expect that to go? Really? When the worst player on the team can score 10 goals with ease, what would you expect the score to look like? That was no National Championship, that's for sure. It was a joke. It was a scam to line someone's pocket.

But if you really want to know what the problem is, it's much bigger than that tournament. Because players are getting recruited in 8th grade now, every girl on the field want to be committed. 6th graders are already thinks about it. Couple that with the fact that refs forgot that a charge is illegal so girls just, literally, put their heads down and run to the cage expecting to get hit and receive a free possession shot, and you have a recipe for disaster. Girls lacrosse, from travel to varsity, has become one of the least enjoyable sports to watch. There is no team work. There is no more ball movement and finesse. There is no more sportsmanship.

Blame the YJ or M&D or Skywalkers or Steps or Top Guns or whoever you want. But they're just a product of a broken system. And they're all guilty.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/25/16 01:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boys,
Someone tell me these new alliances while may have helped certain years 2019 2020, could it also be the death of lacrosse at 2021 2022. What is next. Come on all of you outlier followers what is the next thing.

Girls,
I think you can lead the way, unless spallina gets a girls team and you can play on it. Girls don't follow the traps of the boys. I know YJ and TG and Liberty and Elevate have been around but go back to your HS coaches tell her/him, coach you coach a travel team, why not just concentrate on your town team in the summer. Invite in special guests from the town that have made an impact in NCAA's. Big back town pride not club pride.

Now for towns that don't have a strong program I understand the club scene, I also understand the Allstate lure, but these days it is all political anyway.

Why can't teams like. West Babylon you keep your TG Northport you keep your YJ. Smithtown do you really need YJ, West Islip do you really think you need a club. Manhasett, Garden City, ESM, Ward Meliville, east Islip, BBP, Bay Shore you have the biggest upside here.



What are you babbling about?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/25/16 12:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boys,
Someone tell me these new alliances while may have helped certain years 2019 2020, could it also be the death of lacrosse at 2021 2022. What is next. Come on all of you outlier followers what is the next thing.

Girls,
I think you can lead the way, unless spallina gets a girls team and you can play on it. Girls don't follow the traps of the boys. I know YJ and TG and Liberty and Elevate have been around but go back to your HS coaches tell her/him, coach you coach a travel team, why not just concentrate on your town team in the summer. Invite in special guests from the town that have made an impact in NCAA's. Big back town pride not club pride.

Now for towns that don't have a strong program I understand the club scene, I also understand the Allstate lure, but these days it is all political anyway.

Why can't teams like. West Babylon you keep your TG Northport you keep your YJ. Smithtown do you really need YJ, West Islip do you really think you need a club. Manhasett, Garden City, ESM, Ward Meliville, east Islip, BBP, Bay Shore you have the biggest upside here.







You totes cray-cray
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/25/16 01:12 PM
How as the Hofstra tournament this weekend
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 07/25/16 09:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boys,
Someone tell me these new alliances while may have helped certain years 2019 2020, could it also be the death of lacrosse at 2021 2022. What is next. Come on all of you outlier followers what is the next thing.

Girls,
I think you can lead the way, unless spallina gets a girls team and you can play on it. Girls don't follow the traps of the boys. I know YJ and TG and Liberty and Elevate have been around but go back to your HS coaches tell her/him, coach you coach a travel team, why not just concentrate on your town team in the summer. Invite in special guests from the town that have made an impact in NCAA's. Big back town pride not club pride.

Now for towns that don't have a strong program I understand the club scene, I also understand the Allstate lure, but these days it is all political anyway.

Why can't teams like. West Babylon you keep your TG Northport you keep your YJ. Smithtown do you really need YJ, West Islip do you really think you need a club. Manhasett, Garden City, ESM, Ward Meliville, east Islip, BBP, Bay Shore you have the biggest upside here.







You totes cray-cray


crazy like a fox, I get it. But you need to be careful what you wish for as some take advantage of it but in principle it is a good concept
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/16 04:11 PM
Is there anyone sadder in life than the grown men who count the number of helmets of all the competing clubs at a youth lacrosse tryout, then proceed directly to BOTC to report that there is a mass exodus from a given club. He will then promptly give you his all important insight into his top 5 rankings for next summer. Loser
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/16 06:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there anyone sadder in life than the grown men who count the number of helmets of all the competing clubs at a youth lacrosse tryout, then proceed directly to BOTC to report that there is a mass exodus from a given club. He will then promptly give you his all important insight into his top 5 rankings for next summer. Loser


YES - the sad little person who comments about the grown men counting helmets - me, I count BOTC posts about people that count helmets - pretty sad as well
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/16 07:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there anyone sadder in life than the grown men who count the number of helmets of all the competing clubs at a youth lacrosse tryout, then proceed directly to BOTC to report that there is a mass exodus from a given club. He will then promptly give you his all important insight into his top 5 rankings for next summer. Loser


YES - the sad little person who comments about the grown men counting helmets - me, I count BOTC posts about people that count helmets - pretty sad as well


Did i strike a nerve?
Are you the helmet counter?

Let me guess, you probably never played (we know because you tell everyone how you blew out a knee in junior high or lacrosse wasn't big where you grew up) but:
- You are still the guy on the sidelines that cradles an empty stick
- You are always all decked out in team gear
- You continually say how good "we" are as a team
- You feverishly walk the length of the sideline yelling to get the ball to your son (cause let's face it, like you, he is the second coming of Christ).

And since you are so great, and nobody can hold a candle to you in terms of lacrosse IQ, you voluntarily stay away from all the other parents at each tournament. All the while, we laugh at how ridiculous you are and take notice of how your wife won't even stand with you.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/16 08:05 PM
I must say I enjoyed that breakdown of the helmet counter
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/16 08:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there anyone sadder in life than the grown men who count the number of helmets of all the competing clubs at a youth lacrosse tryout, then proceed directly to BOTC to report that there is a mass exodus from a given club. He will then promptly give you his all important insight into his top 5 rankings for next summer. Loser


YES - the sad little person who comments about the grown men counting helmets - me, I count BOTC posts about people that count helmets - pretty sad as well


Did i strike a nerve?
Are you the helmet counter?

Let me guess, you probably never played (we know because you tell everyone how you blew out a knee in junior high or lacrosse wasn't big where you grew up) but:
- You are still the guy on the sidelines that cradles an empty stick
- You are always all decked out in team gear
- You continually say how good "we" are as a team
- You feverishly walk the length of the sideline yelling to get the ball to your son (cause let's face it, like you, he is the second coming of Christ).

And since you are so great, and nobody can hold a candle to you in terms of lacrosse IQ, you voluntarily stay away from all the other parents at each tournament. All the while, we laugh at how ridiculous you are and take notice of how your wife won't even stand with you.



That's perfect.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/16 08:25 PM
that is perfect... especially "move the ball" when his/her kid doesn't have the ball. then as soon as he gets it thrown to him...." Take it!!!!" or "get out of his way !" " get it to X" (if johnny is attack of course.) a big bag of wind who just yells clichť's . clueless....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/16 08:28 PM
wait a minute..you described that one father on every travel program...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/16 08:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there anyone sadder in life than the grown men who count the number of helmets of all the competing clubs at a youth lacrosse tryout, then proceed directly to BOTC to report that there is a mass exodus from a given club. He will then promptly give you his all important insight into his top 5 rankings for next summer. Loser


YES - the sad little person who comments about the grown men counting helmets - me, I count BOTC posts about people that count helmets - pretty sad as well


Did i strike a nerve?
Are you the helmet counter?

Let me guess, you probably never played (we know because you tell everyone how you blew out a knee in junior high or lacrosse wasn't big where you grew up) but:
- You are still the guy on the sidelines that cradles an empty stick
- You are always all decked out in team gear
- You continually say how good "we" are as a team
- You feverishly walk the length of the sideline yelling to get the ball to your son (cause let's face it, like you, he is the second coming of Christ).

And since you are so great, and nobody can hold a candle to you in terms of lacrosse IQ, you voluntarily stay away from all the other parents at each tournament. All the while, we laugh at how ridiculous you are and take notice of how your wife won't even stand with you.



^^^This guys wins the internet today^^^
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/16 08:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wait a minute..you described that one father on every travel program...


It's the same guy. He puts his son on a different team each season because he is too good for that team from last year and they didn't use him the right way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/16 08:42 PM
Absolute walk off.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/29/16 08:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there anyone sadder in life than the grown men who count the number of helmets of all the competing clubs at a youth lacrosse tryout, then proceed directly to BOTC to report that there is a mass exodus from a given club. He will then promptly give you his all important insight into his top 5 rankings for next summer. Loser


YES - the sad little person who comments about the grown men counting helmets - me, I count BOTC posts about people that count helmets - pretty sad as well


Did i strike a nerve?
Are you the helmet counter?

Let me guess, you probably never played (we know because you tell everyone how you blew out a knee in junior high or lacrosse wasn't big where you grew up) but:
- You are still the guy on the sidelines that cradles an empty stick
- You are always all decked out in team gear
- You continually say how good "we" are as a team
- You feverishly walk the length of the sideline yelling to get the ball to your son (cause let's face it, like you, he is the second coming of Christ).

And since you are so great, and nobody can hold a candle to you in terms of lacrosse IQ, you voluntarily stay away from all the other parents at each tournament. All the while, we laugh at how ridiculous you are and take notice of how your wife won't even stand with you.



great post - I was the second post, calling out the first poster for calling out the helmet counter....I actually thought my reply was funny, But in reality I could give 2 shoots about any of this, I am just bored because my kids are too for travel so I no longer care. Having said that it is funny how you are almost 100% wrong about each assumption you made about me based on my post

- I played lacrosse up to College
- I have never held a stick on the sideline even when coaching
- I do not own any team gear for my kids HS team or any of the 3 colleges my kids have or are playing at. If I did, I would not wear it to the game.
- I do occasionally say how good "we" are as a team but try correct myself as soon as I realize what a tool that makes me look like
- I sit as far away from other parents as possible so I can not hear them during the game.

I do voluntarily stay away from all the other parents at each tournament not because I am superior but because because I rarely wear underwear and when I do it's usually something unusual

- my wife sits with her friends
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 10:55 AM
There always seems to be that GROUP of parents who gather together in a huddle during practices and games around mid-season and start the lethal injection talk of how the team or coach is horrible and we should all make a deal with the next club as a group , and teach this club a lesson! just the same circumstance where ever they go , never happy , and will always be on the run with a bad name following them where ever they go. Meanwhile the current team goes on without a glitch and the ones who kept their mouths shut because they do not have a complex issue themselves go on another year very happy ..... just way to priceless.. I am sure many who read this knows this group of Cancer who comes and goes from team to team.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wait a minute..you described that one father on every travel program...


It's the same guy. He puts his son on a different team each season because he is too good for that team from last year and they didn't use him the right way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 12:33 PM
But there is always one D-Bag parent who the rookie parents who don't know all the facts flock to to hear them hold court on the state of everything, travel program, school team, booster club, college commits etc while the rest of us just roll our eyes
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 01:24 PM
shouldn't this be on the Chaminade site?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 01:42 PM
i like sitting away from groups of parents so i dont have to listen to the BS .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 02:01 PM
Glad to hear a shlock like this is present on every team and usually just for a year or two before they move on. Seen it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 02:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i like sitting away from groups of parents so i dont have to listen to the BS .

you must be that one guy who hides by himself sitting in your chair yelling at your son and think you are the team yenta.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 02:32 PM
Sounds like a smithtown thing !
Especially the dirtbag part.



quote=Anonymous]But there is always one D-Bag parent who the rookie parents who don't know all the facts flock to to hear them hold court on the state of everything, travel program, school team, booster club, college commits etc while the rest of us just roll our eyes [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 02:34 PM
Since we are in the fall... Why are town football programs cheaper then town lacrosse programs when football gives you just as many games plus jerseys, helmets and pads while lacrosse gives you nothing? Not complaining about the price just wondering about the socioeconomics of these sports.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 02:43 PM
Man this is all good stuff keep it coming , the father with the pop belly with the lacrosse stick in hand practices and games that wouldn't able to run a mile under 9:00 or even cradle a ball. Funny stuff !!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 02:57 PM
casually wanders over behind college reps on sideline trying to read notes
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 02:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i like sitting away from groups of parents so i dont have to listen to the BS .

you must be that one guy who hides by himself sitting in your chair yelling at your son and think you are the team yenta.


actually i keep quiet let the boys play , coaches coach and refs ref
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 03:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i like sitting away from groups of parents so i dont have to listen to the BS .

you must be that one guy who hides by himself sitting in your chair yelling at your son and think you are the team yenta.


actually i keep quiet let the boys play , coaches coach and refs ref


challenge
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 03:06 PM
Flock of yentas congregating and telling each other what they want to hear , but nobody else is listening including their kids coaches, whaa whaa whaa .


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like a smithtown thing !
Especially the dirtbag part.



quote=Anonymous]But there is always one D-Bag parent who the rookie parents who don't know all the facts flock to to hear them hold court on the state of everything, travel program, school team, booster club, college commits etc while the rest of us just roll our eyes
[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 03:07 PM
No chair. He is the guy that paces back and forth in front of the attack area and "coaches" his son between mumbling to himself.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 03:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i like sitting away from groups of parents so i dont have to listen to the BS .

you must be that one guy who hides by himself sitting in your chair yelling at your son and think you are the team yenta.


actually i keep quiet let the boys play , coaches coach and refs ref


challenge


believe what you want dont matter to me
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 04:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Man this is all good stuff keep it coming , the father with the pop belly with the lacrosse stick in hand practices and games that wouldn't able to run a mile under 9:00 or even cradle a ball. Funny stuff !!
I have a complaint, I don't have a pot belly and i still can't run a mile under 9:00!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Man this is all good stuff keep it coming , the father with the pop belly with the lacrosse stick in hand practices and games that wouldn't able to run a mile under 9:00 or even cradle a ball. Funny stuff !!
I have a complaint, I don't have a pot belly and i still can't run a mile under 9:00!


I will just say that there seems to be a direct relationship between the size of a dad's belly and the amount of "coaching" he provides. It is always the guy with what looks like a beach ball under his shirt who leads the way yelling at games and providing all his in depth scoring to the other parents. Meanwhile Dad either (1) never played any competitive sport and almost definitely never played lacrosse; and (2) forget about 9:00 Mike, couldn't run to the comer without an oxygen tank. (And yet yells at his kid for not hustling on 90 degree day and the kid is on game #3)

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/30/16 07:39 PM
Lol Funny I was gonna say 8:00 min mile but thru the 9 in there to be safe !!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/31/16 03:02 AM
Here is my complaint: In every facet of travel acrosse (from tryouts to annual tuition) these clubs charge twice as much for boys as they do for girls. Same length of tryouts, same number of coaches, same number of tournaments, uniforms, etc. and yet you pay double if you have a boy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/31/16 11:22 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is my complaint: In every facet of travel acrosse (from tryouts to annual tuition) these clubs charge twice as much for boys as they do for girls. Same length of tryouts, same number of coaches, same number of tournaments, uniforms, etc. and yet you pay double if you have a boy.


Not true. My 2022 daughter's fees are much more than my 2020 son's.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/31/16 11:55 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is my complaint: In every facet of travel acrosse (from tryouts to annual tuition) these clubs charge twice as much for boys as they do for girls. Same length of tryouts, same number of coaches, same number of tournaments, uniforms, etc. and yet you pay double if you have a boy.


Not true. My 2022 daughter's fees are much more than my 2020 son's.


In most cases girls pay much less than boys, why is that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/31/16 12:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is my complaint: In every facet of travel acrosse (from tryouts to annual tuition) these clubs charge twice as much for boys as they do for girls. Same length of tryouts, same number of coaches, same number of tournaments, uniforms, etc. and yet you pay double if you have a boy.


Not true. My 2022 daughter's fees are much more than my 2020 son's.


In most cases girls pay much less than boys, why is that?


Because people keep paying whatever fee is required. I'm sure as girls prices continue to rise, people will pay those too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/31/16 12:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is my complaint: In every facet of travel acrosse (from tryouts to annual tuition) these clubs charge twice as much for boys as they do for girls. Same length of tryouts, same number of coaches, same number of tournaments, uniforms, etc. and yet you pay double if you have a boy.


Not true. My 2022 daughter's fees are much more than my 2020 son's.


In most cases girls pay much less than boys, why is that?


Because people keep paying whatever fee is required. I'm sure as girls prices continue to rise, people will pay those too.


So,......Does that make us Sheep or Lemmings?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/31/16 01:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is my complaint: In every facet of travel acrosse (from tryouts to annual tuition) these clubs charge twice as much for boys as they do for girls. Same length of tryouts, same number of coaches, same number of tournaments, uniforms, etc. and yet you pay double if you have a boy.


Not true. My 2022 daughter's fees are much more than my 2020 son's.


In most cases girls pay much less than boys, why is that?


Because people keep paying whatever fee is required. I'm sure as girls prices continue to rise, people will pay those too.


So,......Does that make us Sheep or Lemmings?


Depends on what you're after - if following the crowd because your kid likes to play, a sheep; if doing it as a financial investment hoping for the scholarship payoff, a lemming.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/31/16 02:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is my complaint: In every facet of travel acrosse (from tryouts to annual tuition) these clubs charge twice as much for boys as they do for girls. Same length of tryouts, same number of coaches, same number of tournaments, uniforms, etc. and yet you pay double if you have a boy.


Not true. My 2022 daughter's fees are much more than my 2020 son's.


Because we morons keep paying it....It's simple economics. If people are willing to pay $2,500, why would a club only charge $1,000.



In most cases girls pay much less than boys, why is that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/31/16 02:11 PM
Let me ask this, if you are a coach of one of the big lacrosse clubs you get paid to coach? If you are one of the big lacrosse club coaches and your kid plays on the team, you get free tuition? Plus paid?
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Complaint Department - 08/31/16 02:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let me ask this, if you are a coach of one of the big lacrosse clubs you get paid to coach? If you are one of the big lacrosse club coaches and your kid plays on the team, you get free tuition? Plus paid?


Probably but that's life.. Perks are just that! Hopefully you earn them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 08/31/16 05:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let me ask this, if you are a coach of one of the big lacrosse clubs you get paid to coach? If you are one of the big lacrosse club coaches and your kid plays on the team, you get free tuition? Plus paid?


each club is different and each team is different - a parent coach that is not a HS coach and not bringing a lot of other kids to the team/program is probably getting just tuition and maybe travel expenses. A HS varsity coach with has a kid on the team and is a draw to the organization is probably getting paid in addition to free tuition, I am aware of both situations
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/16 04:49 PM
My son is a big strong slightly held back kid that plays physical and aggressive and really likes to use intimidation to scare his opponent and then take advantage of that fear. My complaint is that the officials try to take that strength away from him by calling any hard slash or high checks to the head on him and it is getting frustrating watch. There really should not be a rule limiting kids from five steps for a hit. part of the game. The strong survive and the weak get broken. Looking forward to 4th grade lacrosse this year when they let them play a little...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/16 05:45 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Now that's funny!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/16 06:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a big strong slightly held back kid that plays physical and aggressive and really likes to use intimidation to scare his opponent and then take advantage of that fear. My complaint is that the officials try to take that strength away from him by calling any hard slash or high checks to the head on him and it is getting frustrating watch. There really should not be a rule limiting kids from five steps for a hit. part of the game. The strong survive and the weak get broken. Looking forward to 4th grade lacrosse this year when they let them play a little...


Sarcasm, I hope.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/16 06:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a big strong slightly held back kid that plays physical and aggressive and really likes to use intimidation to scare his opponent and then take advantage of that fear. My complaint is that the officials try to take that strength away from him by calling any hard slash or high checks to the head on him and it is getting frustrating watch. There really should not be a rule limiting kids from five steps for a hit. part of the game. The strong survive and the weak get broken. Looking forward to 4th grade lacrosse this year when they let them play a little...


You're getting frustrated because the refs are calling admitted penalties against your son??! I think your problem might be you!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/16 06:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a big strong slightly held back kid that plays physical and aggressive and really likes to use intimidation to scare his opponent and then take advantage of that fear. My complaint is that the officials try to take that strength away from him by calling any hard slash or high checks to the head on him and it is getting frustrating watch. There really should not be a rule limiting kids from five steps for a hit. part of the game. The strong survive and the weak get broken. Looking forward to 4th grade lacrosse this year when they let them play a little...


I can't believe what I just read.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/16 06:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a big strong slightly held back kid that plays physical and aggressive and really likes to use intimidation to scare his opponent and then take advantage of that fear. My complaint is that the officials try to take that strength away from him by calling any hard slash or high checks to the head on him and it is getting frustrating watch. There really should not be a rule limiting kids from five steps for a hit. part of the game. The strong survive and the weak get broken. Looking forward to 4th grade lacrosse this year when they let them play a little...




LMAO...Slightly Held back that's great!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/16 06:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a big strong slightly held back kid that plays physical and aggressive and really likes to use intimidation to scare his opponent and then take advantage of that fear. My complaint is that the officials try to take that strength away from him by calling any hard slash or high checks to the head on him and it is getting frustrating watch. There really should not be a rule limiting kids from five steps for a hit. part of the game. The strong survive and the weak get broken. Looking forward to 4th grade lacrosse this year when they let them play a little...


I can't believe what I just read.

snap out of it, snapper head....called tongue- in- cheek you freakin' dolt



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/16 06:40 PM
how does your husband feel?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/16 07:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let me ask this, if you are a coach of one of the big lacrosse clubs you get paid to coach? If you are one of the big lacrosse club coaches and your kid plays on the team, you get free tuition? Plus paid?


Not just the big clubs, that's standard policy for most. Pay is roughly $5,000 (+/- depending on club) plus free tuition for your child. Not really staggering numbers either way. At least that way clubs can select coaches from a field of qualified candidates. If they're not paid, you may end up with a guy with limited knowledge who just wants to coach the team so his kid plays free and high minutes. Obviously, there are teams who's description fits the latter. If that's the situation you're in, run!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/14/16 07:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let me ask this, if you are a coach of one of the big lacrosse clubs you get paid to coach? If you are one of the big lacrosse club coaches and your kid plays on the team, you get free tuition? Plus paid?


Not just the big clubs, that's standard policy for most. Pay is roughly $5,000 (+/- depending on club) plus free tuition for your child. Not really staggering numbers either way. At least that way clubs can select coaches from a field of qualified candidates. If they're not paid, you may end up with a guy with limited knowledge who just wants to coach the team so his kid plays free and high minutes. Obviously, there are teams who's description fits the latter. If that's the situation you're in, run!


Are you saying that paying the coach (with free tuition) guarantees that the coach is qualified, while giving tuition only would attract more candidates, but they might not be qualified? Hope I'm missing something because that makes absolutely no sense.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/15/16 01:35 PM
HAHAH. Yes I was joking about "my son". Some of you really thought that was real...pls. Get a grip.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/15/16 01:41 PM
I like this board for humor, its a great outlet. I wrote last year about the tauntauns as well...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/15/16 02:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I like this board for humor, its a great outlet. I wrote last year about the tauntauns as well...


I'm a big fan of the Complaint Department thread. In a perfect world, BOTC would have a thread dedicated to sarcasm & overreactions.....but that would pull the entire site into one thread!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/15/16 03:08 PM
If anyone thought that was a real post, you seriously need to take a timeout and smell the flowers in the summer and have a cold one.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/19/16 11:51 PM
I love BOTC hahahaha
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/20/16 12:05 AM
They discriminate against him just because he is old enough to drive to the 4th grade games and his coach pays a bounty.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/20/16 12:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They discriminate against him just because he is old enough to drive to the 4th grade games and his coach pays a bounty.


The kid needs the bounty money to buy razor blades...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/20/16 07:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let me ask this, if you are a coach of one of the big lacrosse clubs you get paid to coach? If you are one of the big lacrosse club coaches and your kid plays on the team, you get free tuition? Plus paid?


Not just the big clubs, that's standard policy for most. Pay is roughly $5,000 (+/- depending on club) plus free tuition for your child. Not really staggering numbers either way. At least that way clubs can select coaches from a field of qualified candidates. If they're not paid, you may end up with a guy with limited knowledge who just wants to coach the team so his kid plays free and high minutes. Obviously, there are teams who's description fits the latter. If that's the situation you're in, run!


Are you saying that paying the coach (with free tuition) guarantees that the coach is qualified, while giving tuition only would attract more candidates, but they might not be qualified? Hope I'm missing something because that makes absolutely no sense.

I'm saying that paying a coach and offering free tuition will draw more than one j/o dad. The club offers $$ so that qualified coaches want the job and the club can choose who they want. They won't need to settle for a d-bag.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Complaint Department - 09/20/16 08:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I like this board for humor, its a great outlet. I wrote last year about the tauntauns as well...


Ha! Yeah I added to it. Some people didn't find it funny I remember #alltauntaunsmatter
© Back of THE CAGE