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BOTC is opening our Fall 2015 through Summer 2016 thread covering the Girls 2020-8th Grade age group.
So let me hear some thoughts on fl$, Liberty, Legacy, Elevate and Express? I don't care if you are a squeaky wheel / axe grinder-- I just want to hear the skinny and I'll determine if you spouting gospel or your just plain nutz. Either way, makes for good reading.
Obviously, I'm interested in good/bad just nothing about individual players... not that this should need to be said.

thanks peeps!
legacy others are a waste m


Call around and talk to the clubs before you commit. DO NOT BELIEVE everything you read on here. For instance, fl$ is just a horrific girls program, so is 91. They are a boys program that collects checks from the girls. My fiends kids played on their 2018 girls team and had an awful experience this summer. They did not win one game and had zero coaching. Call programs that are DEDICATED TO GIRLS Its a lot of money, do some research before you spend it.
Thx for this! My daughter is coming off a team that was completely bent on taking money from the girls teams to bolster the boys operations.... so I hear you on that.
there are caveats though...even some of the "girls only" LI travel teams are only in it for the $$...there is no real difference from a boys program that adds a girls team or two versus a "girls only" program that just adds teams at age levels (A, B or C)to pad the account...there are a couple of North Shore programs that come to mind...especially at the 2020 level..so even though a director will blow smoke and say how devoted they are to the girls, be careful--it is a biz to them and nothing else!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
there are caveats though...even some of the "girls only" LI travel teams are only in it for the $$...there is no real difference from a boys program that adds a girls team or two versus a "girls only" program that just adds teams at age levels (A, B or C)to pad the account...there are a couple of North Shore programs that come to mind...especially at the 2020 level..so even though a director will blow smoke and say how devoted they are to the girls, be careful--it is a biz to them and nothing else!


Completely not true. We did them both. Girls programs focus on the girls. Boys and girls programs focus on the boys. Yes, they both want to make $$$'s but at least they focus on the girls.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
there are caveats though...even some of the "girls only" LI travel teams are only in it for the $$...there is no real difference from a boys program that adds a girls team or two versus a "girls only" program that just adds teams at age levels (A, B or C)to pad the account...there are a couple of North Shore programs that come to mind...especially at the 2020 level..so even though a director will blow smoke and say how devoted they are to the girls, be careful--it is a biz to them and nothing else!


Completely not true. We did them both. Girls programs focus on the girls. Boys and girls programs focus on the boys. Yes, they both want to make $$$'s but at least they focus on the girls.


I'd have to think the latter is true- If there are boys and girls the money goes to the boys over the girls, if there are only girls the money rolls downhill from A, B, C, etc. OR in a more sinister view the money goes A only and then B and C get the crap end of it while the overage goes in the coffers.
think my point was not that the "Girls Only" don't concentrate on the girls, but that they become just a program that endeavors to bring in as much cash as possible--even though a watered down program is ultimately what happens ..the idea becomes to create as many teams as there are girls willing to play/pay. If anyone thinks that there is a girls (or boys) director who gives a rats patooty about their "C" level teams (or even most of the "B" teams) in their own program, you are kidding yourself. The lower tier teams are just funding the gravy train.
You'd think you were playing for a mom and pop operation not one that has 10+ teams in motion. Parents unfriendly, training SUCKED, yet playing time good however. I'd find it impossible to believe the lack of training and lack of organization was/is due chiefly to energy and money going into the boys... that or they are only about the money and not the experience.
This is our 2 cents from experience; Fans keep your barbs to yourselves, this was very much our experience, not just hearsay or rumor.

Hope that helps.
What team were you referring to? what are good options for a 2020 Nassau girl?
TG is awful. Smoke and mirrors. No training. Politics galore!!
People are finally starting to see what this club really is. A sinking ship.

Nobody trains unless you pay xtra. YJ practices once a week . That's it
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG is awful. Smoke and mirrors. No training. Politics galore!!
People are finally starting to see what this club really is. A sinking ship.


No training? 20 practices next year, and they make up rained out practices (this year they did), unlike other girls programs.

But there is a lot of politics. Many girls on the younger teams, are not correctly placed. They seem to cater to West Babylon and ESM girls.
Express---
Originally Posted by strongARM
So let me hear some thoughts on fl$, Liberty, Legacy, Elevate and Express? I don't care if you are a squeaky wheel / axe grinder-- I just want to hear the skinny and I'll determine if you spouting gospel or your just plain nutz. Either way, makes for good reading.
Obviously, I'm interested in good/bad just nothing about individual players... not that this should need to be said.

thanks peeps!


As far as these organizations go, I believe that Legacy is your best choice. Legacy was a very good team for their first season.
How did the Icon 2020 and 2021 girls teams do in 2015? Will they be adding new kids? Would you consider these age groups competitive with top teams or more of a B team? Any other programs in the western part of the island worth looking into for these two age groups? Trying to help a buddy out. Thanks for any feedback.
Good luck to all the girls trying out this weekend.
They aren't really tryouts anymore. Just a glorified very expensive walk on because everyone takes everyone. The only thing in question is what color team you play on.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did the Icon 2020 and 2021 girls teams do in 2015? Will they be adding new kids? Would you consider these age groups competitive with top teams or more of a B team? Any other programs in the western part of the island worth looking into for these two age groups? Trying to help a buddy out. Thanks for any feedback.

They can compete with "C" teams, maybe some "B"
western Nassau has Liberty and couple of south shore teams...but beware--Liberty director is Manhasset coach so "A" teams are stacked with future Manhasset HS players..very rare if non-Manhasset kid makes an "A"...there are token few
Thank you both for the info- I will pass it on.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They aren't really tryouts anymore. Just a glorified very expensive walk on because everyone takes everyone. The only thing in question is what color team you play on.


Does anyone actually know someone who isn't playing on a team that wants to? I didn't think so. If you write they check, they will have you. Good luck this tryout season.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They aren't really tryouts anymore. Just a glorified very expensive walk on because everyone takes everyone. The only thing in question is what color team you play on.


Does anyone actually know someone who isn't playing on a team that wants to? I didn't think so. If you write they check, they will have you. Good luck this tryout season.


That's kind of a skewed view. Of course there is a place for every girl to play. Are you trying to say that there are no tryouts for the A team on a club? That's silly. I guess at the end of the day, there are really less than 10 top clubs in the nation. So if you are trying to play for an A team on anyone else, you may be correct.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They aren't really tryouts anymore. Just a glorified very expensive walk on because everyone takes everyone. The only thing in question is what color team you play on.


Does anyone actually know someone who isn't playing on a team that wants to? I didn't think so. If you write they check, they will have you. Good luck this tryout season.


That's kind of a skewed view. Of course there is a place for every girl to play. Are you trying to say that there are no tryouts for the A team on a club? That's silly. I guess at the end of the day, there are really less than 10 top clubs in the nation. So if you are trying to play for an A team on anyone else, you may be correct.


Pretty sure their point was that travel/select teams used to be just that - for the best of the best. Now there are so many clubs and so many teams per club that anybody who wants to play can. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it has turned into an extension of PAL - just way more expensive and you don't play with your school mates.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They aren't really tryouts anymore. Just a glorified very expensive walk on because everyone takes everyone. The only thing in question is what color team you play on.


Does anyone actually know someone who isn't playing on a team that wants to? I didn't think so. If you write they check, they will have you. Good luck this tryout season.


That's kind of a skewed view. Of course there is a place for every girl to play. Are you trying to say that there are no tryouts for the A team on a club? That's silly. I guess at the end of the day, there are really less than 10 top clubs in the nation. So if you are trying to play for an A team on anyone else, you may be correct.


Pretty sure their point was that travel/select teams used to be just that - for the best of the best. Now there are so many clubs and so many teams per club that anybody who wants to play can. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it has turned into an extension of PAL - just way more expensive and you don't play with your school mates.


Even the biggest program on Long Island recently changed their mission statement because it isn't just the elite anymore, it's anyone that wants to play as long as they are ok on the 4th, 5th or 6th team in an age group.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They aren't really tryouts anymore. Just a glorified very expensive walk on because everyone takes everyone. The only thing in question is what color team you play on.


Does anyone actually know someone who isn't playing on a team that wants to? I didn't think so. If you write they check, they will have you. Good luck this tryout season.


That's kind of a skewed view. Of course there is a place for every girl to play. Are you trying to say that there are no tryouts for the A team on a club? That's silly. I guess at the end of the day, there are really less than 10 top clubs in the nation. So if you are trying to play for an A team on anyone else, you may be correct.


Pretty sure their point was that travel/select teams used to be just that - for the best of the best. Now there are so many clubs and so many teams per club that anybody who wants to play can. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it has turned into an extension of PAL - just way more expensive and you don't play with your school mates.


Guess that's more of an LI issue. I don't know of a single program in MD that has more than 2 teams per age. I guess there are many more options down here.
i joined this site to get some info My reply and posts are getting deleted..As well as other posts. Whats going on here?
Originally Posted by MhaGha
i joined this site to get some info My reply and posts are getting deleted..As well as other posts. Whats going on here?


If you are promoting clubs that we are extremely opposed to promoting, they will not get up on BOTC. It is the responsibility of the moderators on BOTC to not help promote undesirable clubs, events or tryouts.

I asked a question in reference to my daughters team. I wanted opinions. I would like to know where my post went in reference to DELETED
I registered so I can ask some questions. Why would you think I'm promoting a club? Its my first post on the site. I am a bit annoyed that I cannot have an open discussion on this forum.
Originally Posted by MhaGha
I asked a question in reference to my daughters team. I wanted opinions. I would like to know where my post went in reference to DELETED


I answered your question. Now, please don't ask it again.

My previous answer..

If you are promoting clubs that we are extremely opposed to promoting, they will not get up on BOTC. It is the responsibility of the moderators on BOTC to not help promote undesirable clubs, events or tryouts.
Originally Posted by MhaGha
I registered so I can ask some questions. Why would you think I'm promoting a club? Its my first post on the site. I am a bit annoyed that I cannot have an open discussion on this forum.


It is not our intent to annoy you.. lol
Originally Posted by MhaGha
I registered so I can ask some questions. Why would you think I'm promoting a club? Its my first post on the site. I am a bit annoyed that I cannot have an open discussion on this forum.


First of all, who are you, really? Being registered with a screen name does not make you shine under a spotlight.

Now, rather than attack a club for what we have seen as unacceptable behavior and business practices we don't concur with we just don't don't offer them any exposure. The same goes for their tournaments, tryouts, camps, and clinics if they have them and choose to promote them.

These are our opinions based on what we see. This is how it is in a youth sport that is not very well controlled and where serious money is involved along with the involvement of minors.
Strong showing at the Legacy tryout for this age group. 75+ girls and a lot of talent and relentless hustle. Great jobs ladies! Good Luck!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Strong showing at the Legacy tryout for this age group. 75+ girls and a lot of talent and relentless hustle. Great jobs ladies! Good Luck!


It looks like there will be plenty of movement from clubs this year in this age group.
Anyone have an opinion about the changes on the Girls side over at Express?....looks like they sent out blast that MC will now be new girls director....in the past express has been very weak on Girls side..wondering if this will get program moving in right direction....
see where Express has made some directional changes...anyone think that it will help?..program has floundered last few years....
Originally Posted by anonomous
Anyone have an opinion about the changes on the Girls side over at Express?....looks like they sent out blast that MC will now be new girls director....in the past express has been very weak on Girls side..wondering if this will get program moving in right direction....


It was TERRIBLE last year. They didn't seem to care about girls program at all. Weak coaching at best. Only changes I saw were related to who's directing--- does that really matter if they don't care about the program?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Strong showing at the Legacy tryout for this age group. 75+ girls and a lot of talent and relentless hustle. Great jobs ladies! Good Luck!


Any girls trying out from other clubs top teams , if so what clubs.Good coach at the 2020 age and he did a lot considering a first year program and most of the team came from other clubs b team .
A lot of girls tried out for legacy. I would say about 75 is correct. I know I seen about 8 TG girls . SL had a great turnout. Many girls that can play. He made 2 pretty good teams last year at the 2020 age group. This year it will be even better.
I think emails will be going out by this Friday or Tuesday the latest next week. Hopefully SL will send them sooner.
Good luck to all the girls. They really did do a great job at tryouts .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of girls tried out for legacy. I would say about 75 is correct. I know I seen about 8 TG girls . SL had a great turnout. Many girls that can play. He made 2 pretty good teams last year at the 2020 age group. This year it will be even better.
I think emails will be going out by this Friday or Tuesday the latest next week. Hopefully SL will send them sooner.
Good luck to all the girls. They really did do a great job at tryouts .


There are some girls who will go to 3 or 4 differernt tryouts.
I had heard that Express girls was in disarray...but figured if MC was running things, and if he is serious about girls side, then it may portend good things....don't know anyone who had a daughter play for Express, but maybe they are serious about the focus on girls..tough to write a check though and find out the hard way that it will still be the same..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of girls tried out for legacy. I would say about 75 is correct. I know I seen about 8 TG girls . SL had a great turnout. Many girls that can play. He made 2 pretty good teams last year at the 2020 age group. This year it will be even better.
I think emails will be going out by this Friday or Tuesday the latest next week. Hopefully SL will send them sooner.
Good luck to all the girls. They really did do a great job at tryouts .


There are some girls who will go to 3 or 4 differernt tryouts.

The TG girls were there for a reason.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of girls tried out for legacy. I would say about 75 is correct. I know I seen about 8 TG girls . SL had a great turnout. Many girls that can play. He made 2 pretty good teams last year at the 2020 age group. This year it will be even better.
I think emails will be going out by this Friday or Tuesday the latest next week. Hopefully SL will send them sooner.
Good luck to all the girls. They really did do a great job at tryouts .


There are some girls who will go to 3 or 4 differernt tryouts.

The TG girls were there for a reason.

And that reason maybe?
TG black is done. 2020 Strongest year from that club and they went from 1or 2 in age group to bottom
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG black is done. 2020 Strongest year from that club and they went from 1or 2 in age group to bottom

I agree now a B level team if that. Even the latest team shuffle and theatrics can't save it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG black is done. 2020 Strongest year from that club and they went from 1or 2 in age group to bottom


Yea they lost 3 games by a total of 4 goals in the last two years. The sky is falling!
TG moved some girls to black from purple. They should of taking some girls that deserved to be there based on skill....not , who you know.
Did anyone get any emails yet from Legacy tryouts?
TG black lost a few players. The best player left for YJ. Who I have seen play and really is a great player. Does anyone know why some of these girls left? Just curious. I know they had a really good team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG black is done. 2020 Strongest year from that club and they went from 1or 2 in age group to bottom


Yea they lost 3 games by a total of 4 goals in the last two years. The sky is falling!

That's untrue. They lost more.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG black is done. 2020 Strongest year from that club and they went from 1or 2 in age group to bottom


Yea they lost 3 games by a total of 4 goals in the last two years. The sky is falling!


You're delusional,Team is nowhere close to where it used to be. All B level players except for 2 or 3 who they are jumping over backwards to make happy so they stay. If or once those leave, that will be the final nail in the coffin. wake up and take the tainted goggles off. You need more than 2 good players to make a team successful and they just don't have that anymore. The team is done.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG moved some girls to black from purple. They should of taking some girls that deserved to be there based on skill....not , who you know.


One that was moved is friends with the PAL guy from a neighboring town, He knew his daughter's spot was on the line and she was going to be moved down, instead of having that happen, he made the call to bring the kid up to make sure his kid spot was safe.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG moved some girls to black from purple. They should of taking some girls that deserved to be there based on skill....not , who you know.


One that was moved is friends with the PAL guy from a neighboring town, He knew his daughter's spot was on the line and she was going to be moved down, instead of having that happen, he made the call to bring the kid up to make sure his kid spot was safe.


That is happening at every age group. Girls are leaving in bunches because they are tired of not being told the truth. Outside of 2018 black, there is no really good A team anymore
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG moved some girls to black from purple. They should of taking some girls that deserved to be there based on skill....not , who you know.


One that was moved is friends with the PAL guy from a neighboring town, He knew his daughter's spot was on the line and she was going to be moved down, instead of having that happen, he made the call to bring the kid up to make sure his kid spot was safe.


That is happening at every age group. Girls are leaving in bunches because they are tired of not being told the truth. Outside of 2018 black, there is no really good A team anymore


How good is 2018 black really? They avoid playing good teams, and when they do, what happens? What was the score at u15's final? And it could have been run up even more. 2020 was the one true top team TG's had, that was 2 and 3 years ago, dwindling away at this point.
From what seems to be going around is that SL told everyone,Come down and try out. I think we might be onto something here where girls actually teying out and getting a fair call on where they belong.
You either belong on the team or you don't. This is the ONLY way a club can truly have a good team with out all the crap.
Good talent at legacy tryouts. All the girls kicked butt.GOOD LUCK to all the girls.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG moved some girls to black from purple. They should of taking some girls that deserved to be there based on skill....not , who you know.


One that was moved is friends with the PAL guy from a neighboring town, He knew his daughter's spot was on the line and she was going to be moved down, instead of having that happen, he made the call to bring the kid up to make sure his kid spot was safe.


That is happening at every age group. Girls are leaving in bunches because they are tired of not being told the truth. Outside of 2018 black, there is no really good A team anymore


The girls are promised a lot and get nothing. As long as that check gets mailed in by the 14th is all that matters. Offering an extra practice as if it's free when the fees were actually raised to cover it. And how about real coaches? Not college kids and hs grads. They will not see another dime from me.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From what seems to be going around is that SL told everyone,Come down and try out. I think we might be onto something here where girls actually teying out and getting a fair call on where they belong.
You either belong on the team or you don't. This is the ONLY way a club can truly have a good team with out all the crap.
Good talent at legacy tryouts. All the girls kicked butt.GOOD LUCK to all the girls.

Exactly! Not who's your friend, not who gives you year end gifts, not who threatens to leave. An actual tryout based on skill. Too much BS and politics at TG and people are finally waking up and seeing the light.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG moved some girls to black from purple. They should of taking some girls that deserved to be there based on skill....not , who you know.


One that was moved is friends with the PAL guy from a neighboring town, He knew his daughter's spot was on the line and she was going to be moved down, instead of having that happen, he made the call to bring the kid up to make sure his kid spot was safe.

The other's hot headed dad threatened to leave to go to Legacy all summer. Guess word got back and to keep his $$ they accommodated him and bumped his kid up.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG moved some girls to black from purple. They should of taking some girls that deserved to be there based on skill....not , who you know.


One that was moved is friends with the PAL guy from a neighboring town, He knew his daughter's spot was on the line and she was going to be moved down, instead of having that happen, he made the call to bring the kid up to make sure his kid spot was safe.


So lets see if I have this correct.... A guy is going make a call and ask for a favor to have a kid from the Purple team pulled up to Black to secure his daughters spot that is questionable on Black? That doesn't make sense.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG black lost a few players. The best player left for YJ. Who I have seen play and really is a great player. Does anyone know why some of these girls left? Just curious. I know they had a really good team.


Three girls left the team. One left for YJ, The other two are not playing travel lacrosse next year.
It doesn't have to make sense. I agree this is true,sad but true
I did see a few TG girls at Legacy try outs. Some were TG black. I think EVERYONE HAD TO TRY OUT so you either made the team/s or not. No b.s. (Just my opinion)
I do like the Coaches they have at Legacy. Good luck to the girls they all played hard
Do your daughters know how crazy you people are ? I bet most of them could care less what team they are on and just want to play without all the drama
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Strong showing at the Legacy tryout for this age group. 75+ girls and a lot of talent and relentless hustle. Great jobs ladies! Good Luck!


Any girls trying out from other clubs top teams , if so what clubs.Good coach at the 2020 age and he did a lot considering a first year program and most of the team came from other clubs b team .


B c d e.. Let's just say it is pretty obvious quite a few kids may have been overlooked.
Anyone have knowledge of Elevate's playing time? How are they on spreading field time around (supposing of course that the player is worthy of the team to which they've been accepted)?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG black is done. 2020 Strongest year from that club and they went from 1or 2 in age group to bottom


Yea they lost 3 games by a total of 4 goals in the last two years. The sky is falling!


The fact that you use the last 2 years shows you know the team is heading in the wrong direction. The funny thing is I know several of the parents on that team and all are nice people but delusional. Each and every one of these parents have told me the same story SS has come to them and told them their superstar player is leaving so now their daughter must step in a fill her shoes because she can see that type potential in their kid. Wake up she has told that same story to almost every parent left. The team will never beat a top level team again and will not be in the top 5 in the age group on LI.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do your daughters know how crazy you people are ? I bet most of them could care less what team they are on and just want to play without all the drama


If you don't think that the girls care what team they are on then you are the crazy one. Girls are crushed when they are cut from a team they have been on for years
I do agree about girls being "crushed" when they don't get picked for team they were on--went thru it ourselves..but they are pliable and crave friendship and good teammates above all else..so they hopefully can find a program where they get the combo of development and friendship--although that combo is getting tough to find nowadays..
Agreed.., every kid playing cares or should care . If they don't care where they are placed then what are their goals ? My daughter keeps trying to improve. If she were to be cut or not make a team.. She would be crushed. Especially this year. A lot of talent at Legacy tryouts.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agreed.., every kid playing cares or should care . If they don't care where they are placed then what are their goals ? My daughter keeps trying to improve. If she were to be cut or not make a team.. She would be crushed. Especially this year. A lot of talent at Legacy tryouts.


My kid was one of those that tried out for Legacy and we are waiting on the emails. If she makes either of legacy teams blue or teal then we are gone no second thoughts. At this point Legacy Teal is now equivalent if not better than TG Black.


Any news on emails from Legacy?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG black is done. 2020 Strongest year from that club and they went from 1or 2 in age group to bottom


Yea they lost 3 games by a total of 4 goals in the last two years. The sky is falling!


The fact that you use the last 2 years shows you know the team is heading in the wrong direction. The funny thing is I know several of the parents on that team and all are nice people but delusional. Each and every one of these parents have told me the same story SS has come to them and told them their superstar player is leaving so now their daughter must step in a fill her shoes because she can see that type potential in their kid. Wake up she has told that same story to almost every parent left. The team will never beat a top level team again and will not be in the top 5 in the age group on LI.

I'm glad all the TG parents confide in you and discuss their conversations with you. You are a special person apparently
Email won't be going out until Friday at the earliest.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do your daughters know how crazy you people are ? I bet most of them could care less what team they are on and just want to play without all the drama


If you don't think that the girls care what team they are on then you are the crazy one. Girls are crushed when they are cut from a team they have been on for years


Your right , they should care where they are placed , but not for the reasons the parents care about. I have 2 daughters and they have experienced the ups and downs of competitive sports. Daughter 2 was moved down from one team to another. She was crushed. Why ? Because she would not be able to compete with her teammates, and most importantly her friends. They will not as a team be able to improve on past experiences and enjoy success in situations that maybe in the past were seen as failures. ( winning after losing ). Daughter 1 turned down opportunities to move from her original team to a clubs so called "A" team for a similar reason. She wanted to compete with her teammates and friends and not play in games that in most cases were predetermined. The best way to improve as an athlete is experience some failure and look to improve from it. Simply running to another team may make the winning easier but will help improve the athlete. So should they care, yes, but for the right reason and not just the bumper sticker
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do your daughters know how crazy you people are ? I bet most of them could care less what team they are on and just want to play without all the drama


If you don't think that the girls care what team they are on then you are the crazy one. Girls are crushed when they are cut from a team they have been on for years


Your right , they should care where they are placed , but not for the reasons the parents care about. I have 2 daughters and they have experienced the ups and downs of competitive sports. Daughter 2 was moved down from one team to another. She was crushed. Why ? Because she would not be able to compete with her teammates, and most importantly her friends. They will not as a team be able to improve on past experiences and enjoy success in situations that maybe in the past were seen as failures. ( winning after losing ). Daughter 1 turned down opportunities to move from her original team to a clubs so called "A" team for a similar reason. She wanted to compete with her teammates and friends and not play in games that in most cases were predetermined. The best way to improve as an athlete is experience some failure and look to improve from it. Simply running to another team may make the winning easier but will help improve the athlete. So should they care, yes, but for the right reason and not just the bumper sticker



Many of the girls are tired of working hard and watching inferior girls get moved up for whatever reasons the club seems fit to tell them. This is not limited to any particular club. It happens at every club in existence.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG black is done. 2020 Strongest year from that club and they went from 1or 2 in age group to bottom


Yea they lost 3 games by a total of 4 goals in the last two years. The sky is falling!


The fact that you use the last 2 years shows you know the team is heading in the wrong direction. The funny thing is I know several of the parents on that team and all are nice people but delusional. Each and every one of these parents have told me the same story SS has come to them and told them their superstar player is leaving so now their daughter must step in a fill her shoes because she can see that type potential in their kid. Wake up she has told that same story to almost every parent left. The team will never beat a top level team again and will not be in the top 5 in the age group on LI.

I'm glad all the TG parents confide in you and discuss their conversations with you. You are a special person apparently

Apparently you are one of the parents that was given the speech about how your daughter was the next "it" kid and she would be paying special attention to her and you believed it.Sorry you got your hopes dashed but essentially your kid will now be playing on a B level team . Actually I am jealous as my kids team is going to be brutally competitive this year and she is going to have to work her butt off to earn playing time , maybe I should move to TG so she can also be one of the "it" kids.
Originally Posted by strongARM
Anyone have knowledge of Elevate's playing time? How are they on spreading field time around (supposing of course that the player is worthy of the team to which they've been accepted)?




I had a daughter on 2020 Blue and everyone had equal playing time. They also had a ton of extra practices and fun things like team dinners in the winter and Lax Olympics with prizes. We had a very fun year. This was my daughters first summer team ever, she recently chose to focus more on lacrosse rather than play soccer as competitively year round. The only slight negative I took out of it was that they only played 4 tournaments, but next year they switched to 5 summer tournaments which is great!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by strongARM
Anyone have knowledge of Elevate's playing time? How are they on spreading field time around (supposing of course that the player is worthy of the team to which they've been accepted)?




I had a daughter on 2020 Blue and everyone had equal playing time. They also had a ton of extra practices and fun things like team dinners in the winter and Lax Olympics with prizes. We had a very fun year. This was my daughters first summer team ever, she recently chose to focus more on lacrosse rather than play soccer as competitively year round. The only slight negative I took out of it was that they only played 4 tournaments, but next year they switched to 5 summer tournaments which is great!


Had a great time on 2020 Blue. Playing time was equal up until big playoff games. At that point, the best 15 girls got a majority of the time. My daughter was actually not one of those 15, but she still saw time on the field.
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TG black is done. 2020 Strongest year from that club and they went from 1or 2 in age group to bottom


Yea they lost 3 games by a total of 4 goals in the last two years. The sky is falling!


The fact that you use the last 2 years shows you know the team is heading in the wrong direction. The funny thing is I know several of the parents on that team and all are nice people but delusional. Each and every one of these parents have told me the same story SS has come to them and told them their superstar player is leaving so now their daughter must step in a fill her shoes because she can see that type potential in their kid. Wake up she has told that same story to almost every parent left. The team will never beat a top level team again and will not be in the top 5 in the age group on LI.

I'm glad all the TG parents confide in you and discuss their conversations with you. You are a special person apparently

Apparently you are one of the parents that was given the speech about how your daughter was the next "it" kid and she would be paying special attention to her and you believed it.Sorry you got your hopes dashed but essentially your kid will now be playing on a B level team . Actually I am jealous as my kids team is going to be brutally competitive this year and she is going to have to work her butt off to earn playing time , maybe I should move to TG so she can also be one of the "it" kids.


What's crazy is most of what's left on that team can't leave for another club. They will never ever make another top team anyplace else and they know it. Some were there since the program began and have been grandfathered in regardless of skill or athleticism.So year after year they return to black because there afraid to tryout someplace else and actually get hit with the reality of them not being real A level players.
They're told any and everything by BS and SS to collect their check except the truth. There is not one player left on that team that can replace or even come close to what's gone.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG black is done. 2020 Strongest year from that club and they went from 1or 2 in age group to bottom


Yea they lost 3 games by a total of 4 goals in the last two years. The sky is falling!


The fact that you use the last 2 years shows you know the team is heading in the wrong direction. The funny thing is I know several of the parents on that team and all are nice people but delusional. Each and every one of these parents have told me the same story SS has come to them and told them their superstar player is leaving so now their daughter must step in a fill her shoes because she can see that type potential in their kid. Wake up she has told that same story to almost every parent left. The team will never beat a top level team again and will not be in the top 5 in the age group on LI.

I'm glad all the TG parents confide in you and discuss their conversations with you. You are a special person apparently

Apparently you are one of the parents that was given the speech about how your daughter was the next "it" kid and she would be paying special attention to her and you believed it.Sorry you got your hopes dashed but essentially your kid will now be playing on a B level team . Actually I am jealous as my kids team is going to be brutally competitive this year and she is going to have to work her butt off to earn playing time , maybe I should move to TG so she can also be one of the "it" kids.


What's crazy is most of what's left on that team can't leave for another club. They will never ever make another top team anyplace else and they know it. Some were there since the program began and have been grandfathered in regardless of skill or athleticism.So year after year they return to black because there afraid to tryout someplace else and actually get hit with the reality of them not being real A level players.
They're told any and everything by BS and SS to collect their check except the truth. There is not one player left on that team that can replace or even come close to what's gone.




SOOOOOOOOOO, UUUUUUMMMMM, TG isn't in good shape? Is that my take away?

Awesome venom about them... regardless of who's telling the truth here, something has gone on to make people this pissed about the team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG black is done. 2020 Strongest year from that club and they went from 1or 2 in age group to bottom


Yea they lost 3 games by a total of 4 goals in the last two years. The sky is falling!


The fact that you use the last 2 years shows you know the team is heading in the wrong direction. The funny thing is I know several of the parents on that team and all are nice people but delusional. Each and every one of these parents have told me the same story SS has come to them and told them their superstar player is leaving so now their daughter must step in a fill her shoes because she can see that type potential in their kid. Wake up she has told that same story to almost every parent left. The team will never beat a top level team again and will not be in the top 5 in the age group on LI.

I'm glad all the TG parents confide in you and discuss their conversations with you. You are a special person apparently

Apparently you are one of the parents that was given the speech about how your daughter was the next "it" kid and she would be paying special attention to her and you believed it.Sorry you got your hopes dashed but essentially your kid will now be playing on a B level team . Actually I am jealous as my kids team is going to be brutally competitive this year and she is going to have to work her butt off to earn playing time , maybe I should move to TG so she can also be one of the "it" kids.


What's crazy is most of what's left on that team can't leave for another club. They will never ever make another top team anyplace else and they know it. Some were there since the program began and have been grandfathered in regardless of skill or athleticism.So year after year they return to black because there afraid to tryout someplace else and actually get hit with the reality of them not being real A level players.
They're told any and everything by BS and SS to collect their check except the truth. There is not one player left on that team that can replace or even come close to what's gone.


We're on TG, and we also are looking for a way out. Too many broken promises, no interest in really helping the girls develop. We tried out for a spot on Legacy and We will be trying out everywhere else in the coming weeks and will be making the move regardless of what club.We are not interested in paying anymore for meaningless winter leagues in the raggedy bubble, not interested in the fall tourneys in Hempstead where there are no coaches as they all are back to school, just not interested in dealing with this whole organization any longer. We're the consumer and i decide who I give my hard earned bucks to and It will no longer be this organization. The ship is sinking and I don't need to be told when to jump.
doesn't that ultimately happen to all the 'better" programs?...most of the time its from disgruntled ex-members or parents who has had a daughter leave for whatever reason...I am sure they have their issues like any other higher-level program, but they have always been a winning organization..and one cant gloss over that they are directed by a current D1 coach and arguably one of the top 10/15 woman's players of all time...never know what is sour grapes and what is true..you can bet that there are any # of girls programs on LI that w/b ecstatic to have had the results/players that TG has had..
Originally Posted by anonomous
doesn't that ultimately happen to all the 'better" programs?...most of the time its from disgruntled ex-members or parents who has had a daughter leave for whatever reason...I am sure they have their issues like any other higher-level program, but they have always been a winning organization..and one cant gloss over that they are directed by a current D1 coach and arguably one of the top 10/15 woman's players of all time...never know what is sour grapes and what is true..you can bet that there are any # of girls programs on LI that w/b ecstatic to have had the results/players that TG has had..


Sour grapes?? I think not. I think these parents have every right to feel the way they do. Unless you are or were apart of the club, you have no idea what's what. TG was successful yes, however over the last few years has declined drastically. Every year there is a mass exodus from all the teams. Not just this age group but a great majority. Let's not forget the issue with 2017's 2020's and 2021. Emergency meetings being held to stop the bleed at the 2021 age group. Rosters being pulled from the website and never to reappear for the 2017 due to all the issues that group had and lastly the 2020's we all know the history with that age group. This is nothing new it's just being pushed to the forefront now as parents have had enough and more options are popping up. They are not the same TG's. every year is a mass defection, by December when all has settled the teams look completely different. What was once a very successful club is no longer just ask all the top players that have left. Just because someone is D-1 coach doesn't mean you fall for anything. Also lets not forget that 2020 was most successful and at there best under the guidance of another coach, since then many talented kids have left , and the club is now struggling to stop the bleed.
but what is really amazing is that folks like us are even talking about TG..my point is sorta that there are sooo many girls programs that would love to have ANY kind of publicity or folks talking about their program--Good or Bad--on BofCage..how many directors would kill for folks talking crap about their programs?
Originally Posted by anonomous
doesn't that ultimately happen to all the 'better" programs?...most of the time its from disgruntled ex-members or parents who has had a daughter leave for whatever reason...I am sure they have their issues like any other higher-level program, but they have always been a winning organization..and one cant gloss over that they are directed by a current D1 coach and arguably one of the top 10/15 woman's players of all time...never know what is sour grapes and what is true..you can bet that there are any # of girls programs on LI that w/b ecstatic to have had the results/players that TG has had..


Well said. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener on the other side
Originally Posted by anonomous
but what is really amazing is that folks like us are even talking about TG..my point is sorta that there are sooo many girls programs that would love to have ANY kind of publicity or folks talking about their program--Good or Bad--on BofCage..how many directors would kill for folks talking crap about their programs?


"..how many directors would kill for folks talking crap about their programs?"

That kind of comment makes me think you didn't spell your username like that on purpose. Are you nuts?
easy tiger....just the idea that people are yapping about a specific program is something directors want....if somebody is not talking about the program, no matter what's being said, it aint (yes, I used aint) a good thing...don't you think that some talk is better than no talk?...signed, anonymous--ya' dbag
you don't think any of the Republican candidates would love to have Trump bash them everyday as opposed to toiling away in anonymity?...like Bush isn't loving the idea of having Trump smack him down?...or that Christie or Paul wouldn't relish the chance for some press?..cmon' tough guy...that's the idea...
When 90% of the yapping is negative, no director wants to be in the limelight constantly. Nothing good can come from it. No one is reading this thread and thinking they can't wait to try out for any club that gets bashed constantly.
you, my good man, can now say you have had the last word on the subject...
Originally Posted by anonomous
you don't think any of the Republican candidates would love to have Trump bash them everyday as opposed to toiling away in anonymity?...like Bush isn't loving the idea of having Trump smack him down?...or that Christie or Paul wouldn't relish the chance for some press?..cmon' tough guy...that's the idea...


Feel free to use one of your childish remarks but no I don't think SS is enjoying the above publicity. TG no longer has any team in the top 5 for their age group and are quickly becoming a non factor in terms of competitive teams . It's not too late for the 2020 to find another club but time is running out.
and a great big thanks to DK for trying to steer girls to Elevate...
And you were charged handsomely for every one of Elevate's parties and pre-tryout practices. Legacy way more competitive than Elevate at this level. Legacy is an option, but they don't have 8 age levels like other lax programs. The more teams you have, the more difficult it is to maintain elite coaching on B and C teams (and sometimes A teams)
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Originally Posted by anonomous
doesn't that ultimately happen to all the 'better" programs?...most of the time its from disgruntled ex-members or parents who has had a daughter leave for whatever reason...I am sure they have their issues like any other higher-level program, but they have always been a winning organization..and one cant gloss over that they are directed by a current D1 coach and arguably one of the top 10/15 woman's players of all time...never know what is sour grapes and what is true..you can bet that there are any # of girls programs on LI that w/b ecstatic to have had the results/players that TG has had..


Sour grapes?? I think not. I think these parents have every right to feel the way they do. Unless you are or were apart of the club, you have no idea what's what. TG was successful yes, however over the last few years has declined drastically. Every year there is a mass exodus from all the teams. Not just this age group but a great majority. Let's not forget the issue with 2017's 2020's and 2021. Emergency meetings being held to stop the bleed at the 2021 age group. Rosters being pulled from the website and never to reappear for the 2017 due to all the issues that group had and lastly the 2020's we all know the history with that age group. This is nothing new it's just being pushed to the forefront now as parents have had enough and more options are popping up. They are not the same TG's. every year is a mass defection, by December when all has settled the teams look completely different. What was once a very successful club is no longer just ask all the top players that have left. Just because someone is D-1 coach doesn't mean you fall for anything. Also lets not forget that 2020 was most successful and at there best under the guidance of another coach, since then many talented kids have left , and the club is now struggling to stop the bleed.

They will continue to bleed. A slow painful death, another few years until SS takes another job off the Island. In the near future the NCAA will limit the role she (and college coaches) can have with the club.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And you were charged handsomely for every one of Elevate's parties and pre-tryout practices. Legacy way more competitive than Elevate at this level. Legacy is an option, but they don't have 8 age levels like other lax programs. The more teams you have, the more difficult it is to maintain elite coaching on B and C teams (and sometimes A teams)


That's wrong actually. Our 2020 coach paid for our team dinner herself and also generously bought the girls team shirts as a Christmas gift. Our girls also asked her themselves to add a few extra practices and she did. I know for a fact we practiced more than any other TE team. One week she even practiced 5 times a week. None were mandatory, it was just a nice gesture. Stop trying to make positive posts into negatives. This is in no way DK. I'm sure BOTC can vouch for that by looking at the IP address or whatever else they do. I'm so tired of the constant negativity. Let's allow positive comments to remain positive.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And you were charged handsomely for every one of Elevate's parties and pre-tryout practices. Legacy way more competitive than Elevate at this level. Legacy is an option, but they don't have 8 age levels like other lax programs. The more teams you have, the more difficult it is to maintain elite coaching on B and C teams (and sometimes A teams)


That's wrong actually. Our 2020 coach paid for our team dinner herself and also generously bought the girls team shirts as a Christmas gift. Our girls also asked her themselves to add a few extra practices and she did. I know for a fact we practiced more than any other TE team. One week she even practiced 5 times a week. None were mandatory, it was just a nice gesture. Stop trying to make positive posts into negatives. This is in no way DK. I'm sure BOTC can vouch for that by looking at the IP address or whatever else they do. I'm so tired of the constant negativity. Let's allow positive comments to remain positive.


You also forgot to add the TE 2020 Blue beat Legacy's top team this summer. It was a very close and competitive game. I'm looking forward to the next time these teams meet up. And I agree - let's keep things positive. Our kids are 13 and 14 years old and we should care more about positive things in our clubs than pick apart every negative.
Why can't college coaches be affiliated with club lacrosse?
cdasme
Originally Posted by anonomous
easy tiger....just the idea that people are yapping about a specific program is something directors want....if somebody is not talking about the program, no matter what's being said, it aint (yes, I used aint) a good thing...don't you think that some talk is better than no talk?...signed, anonymous--ya' dbag


It is spelled "ain't", if you insist on speaking New English
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why can't college coaches be affiliated with club lacrosse?


Don't know all the details, but it's related to recruiting and when coaches are allowed (by NCAA) to have contact with potential recruits.
Hey Einstein, I am sure you know who coaches the 2020 Elevate Blue team--directors daughter--so who do you think "generously" paid for the team party and those gift Xmas shirts? me thinks it came from the coffers that you and all of the Elevate family so generously filled
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey Einstein, I am sure you know who coaches the 2020 Elevate Blue team--directors daughter--so who do you think "generously" paid for the team party and those gift Xmas shirts? me thinks it came from the coffers that you and all of the Elevate family so generously filled


Don't argue with this person. Let them stay with whatever club they are at and be happy or unhappy. The coach paid for these extras out of her own pocket. She is a great coach as well. Can't please the haters and the naysayers so don't try.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey Einstein, I am sure you know who coaches the 2020 Elevate Blue team--directors daughter--so who do you think "generously" paid for the team party and those gift Xmas shirts? me thinks it came from the coffers that you and all of the Elevate family so generously filled


Keep trying to be negative. Our coach did a fantastic thing and people will try to find a way to negate that. Get over yourselves and go enjoy your own team and coaches. We should be able to post a positive thing without our coach's kind gestures being questioned. Ridiculous.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey Einstein, I am sure you know who coaches the 2020 Elevate Blue team--directors daughter--so who do you think "generously" paid for the team party and those gift Xmas shirts? me thinks it came from the coffers that you and all of the Elevate family so generously filled


Keep trying to be negative. Our coach did a fantastic thing and people will try to find a way to negate that. Get over yourselves and go enjoy your own team and coaches. We should be able to post a positive thing without our coach's kind gestures being questioned. Ridiculous.
Sincerely, the directors daughter.


Does anyone know if Friday is the day emails will go out from Legcy tryouts ?
Friday the soonest, Tuesday the latest is what everyone was told at the tryout.
What's this I'm hearing that a 4th team YJ player has made TG black team? My daughter had to bust her butt to get there and just because someone plays on YJ they are guaranteed a spot on Black? What really is going on here? There is no way any player past team 2 has the same skill set of a 1st team player. This is highly upsetting because it really does look like this team has taken a turn for the worse even after being told "we are going to be stronger than ever this year". The backroom deals here are crazy, This team will look a lot more like the West Islip Pal team since all the players are here.
It would be very smart of Legacy to get those emails out by Friday knowing the TG girls that tried out have to accept by tomorrow.
Looking for any feedback on the liberty club 2020. Considering playing for them. Any comments? Thanks
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It would be very smart of Legacy to get those emails out by Friday knowing the TG girls that tried out have to accept by tomorrow.


And if you didn't respond yet to TG, they will send you numerous email reminders to make your decision. Sounds like they are having trouble filling spots.
It goes by who you know..
Liberty 2020 awful. Town teams beat them this year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It would be very smart of Legacy to get those emails out by Friday knowing the TG girls that tried out have to accept by tomorrow.


And if you didn't respond yet to TG, they will send you numerous email reminders to make your decision. Sounds like they are having trouble filling spots.


They will just move on to the next kid on the list.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It would be very smart of Legacy to get those emails out by Friday knowing the TG girls that tried out have to accept by tomorrow.


And if you didn't respond yet to TG, they will send you numerous email reminders to make your decision. Sounds like they are having trouble filling spots.
we haven't responded to TG yet and haven't received one reminder...Let me guess my daughter is not one of the important ones? You guys need to move on and grow up. There is a good chance that 90% of the posters here are fathers who are 30-50+ pounds overweight and have zero athleticism yet they continue to mock 12-14 year old girls as they live vicariously through their own student athletes. get over it, stop. your daughter is embarrassed for you . and so am I.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It would be very smart of Legacy to get those emails out by Friday knowing the TG girls that tried out have to accept by tomorrow.


And if you didn't respond yet to TG, they will send you numerous email reminders to make your decision. Sounds like they are having trouble filling spots.
we haven't responded to TG yet and haven't received one reminder...Let me guess my daughter is not one of the important ones? You guys need to move on and grow up. There is a good chance that 90% of the posters here are fathers who are 30-50+ pounds overweight and have zero athleticism yet they continue to mock 12-14 year old girls as they live vicariously through their own student athletes. get over it, stop. your daughter is embarrassed for you . and so am I.

Maybe you're right maybe you're wrong, you must be one of those that drank the koolaid. One thing is for sure not one legit person has disputed the facts, how come the parents aren't on here disputing the issues with this club if they aren't true and valid? could that be because they are all trying to make a speedy exit? Keep paying attention and drink up. Please be sure to come back to this forum next year and tell us all how did sticking up for a club that only concern is when your check arrives in the mail work out for you. All these parents can't be wrong and the majority of them still have kids on the teams, basically sticking around just trying to find new homes
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]It would be very smart of Legacy to get those emails out by Friday knowing the TG girls that tried out have to accept by tomorrow.


And if you didn't respond yet to TG, they will send you numerous email reminders to make your decision. Sounds like they are having trouble filling spots.


They will just move on to the next kid on the list.

The talent level doesn't matter as long as the cash is still green.
My daughter tried out last week and made top gun purple. should have made black team but was new to the club so i guess they moved up existing players.I'd put her as a low or mid/low level "A" player if I was ranking her. Haven't responded yet. Wondering if people decline their black team spots if they would offer it to her. Hesitant to commit to the purple team. Also we did get email reminders to accept this week. Any comments would be appreciated
and that is different from any other program how?
Were both liberty a and b teams weak? Not worried about being on best team in the area just want to have good coaching and college connections if my daughter decides to try and play in college.
[quote=Anonymous]My daughter tried out last week and made top gun purple. should have made black team but was new to the club so i guess they moved up existing players.I'd put her as a low or mid/low level "A" player if I was ranking her. Haven't responded yet. Wondering if people decline their black team spots if they would offer it to her. Hesitant to commit to the purple team. Also we did get email reminders to accept this week. Any comments would be appreciated

Waiting for Legacy then the chips will fall into place. Big turnover this year on both the black and purple not sure what your getting from either team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Were both liberty a and b teams weak? Not worried about being on best team in the area just want to have good coaching and college connections if my daughter decides to try and play in college.


my town team beat both of them by more than 5 goals last year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]My daughter tried out last week and made top gun purple. should have made black team but was new to the club so i guess they moved up existing players.I'd put her as a low or mid/low level "A" player if I was ranking her. Haven't responded yet. Wondering if people decline their black team spots if they would offer it to her. Hesitant to commit to the purple team. Also we did get email reminders to accept this week. Any comments would be appreciated

Waiting for Legacy then the chips will fall into place. Big turnover this year on both the black and purple not sure what your getting from either team.


So true, I would say don't do it. Do you really think if she made purple they gonna move her up over everyone else on the purple team still waiting for their chance to get a crack at black? Find yourself another club, go to other tryouts that are coming up. You are getting nothing from black and even worse from purple. Both now have b team talent. Majority black/purple are waiting on Legacy results, some will be happy and some will be pissed the [lacrosse] off. Do yourself a favor avoid all the politics and BS and just find someplace else for your kid
for clarification...curious what town team that was?....my daughter played on Liberty and I want to see if I remember losing to a town team...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]My daughter tried out last week and made top gun purple. should have made black team but was new to the club so i guess they moved up existing players.I'd put her as a low or mid/low level "A" player if I was ranking her. Haven't responded yet. Wondering if people decline their black team spots if they would offer it to her. Hesitant to commit to the purple team. Also we did get email reminders to accept this week. Any comments would be appreciated

Waiting for Legacy then the chips will fall into place. Big turnover this year on both the black and purple not sure what your getting from either team.


Every club out there is the right fit for certain people. So many parents think that their kid making the top team at the top club will ultimately make them happy. While making the top team is an accomplishment, and your daughter should be proud if she makes it, the reality is that the experience may not be great. A kid struggling to stay afloat on top team, may indeed have a better experience on the team below. I see it every year with a few kids . There will always be a handful of players on every team who are quite frankly in over their heads. Best to keep a realistic expectation of what team your kid should be on and pick the best team that truly fits her talent/skill and most importantly athletic level.
Legacy email out.
legacy emails and results are out, wasn't the news we expected but it is what it is. congrats to who all made it and good luck! 2 great solid teams with great coaching. Our road ends here with TG as like we said earlier we will not spend another dime there. Good thing is it's still early in the tryout season and many more tryouts go. Time to move on.
TG 2020 does not overcharge for anything including clinics and camps. They raised prices $100 for 10 extra practices, and member fee is still lower than many "elite" Long Island programs. Some programs don't even post their prices.
If your daughter plays well on TG purple, she will get noticed and play more. Girls on TG black should be better, but playing time is equal for all girls on the black team. Not the case with TG and most organizations' B and C teams - where standout girls play more.

The level of talent on A teams should be closer from the top to bottom of roster than B teams. If you leave and she plays for another organization, will she still get the playing time? The new organization will likely keep the girls they already have if the talent level is equal. They know your checks won't bounce and are not a crazy parent. If a girl jumps from team to team each year, why should the organization be loyal to the player? I don't really get why people want to do that every year. If your daughter is talented, and gets better each year, than the organization did it's job (in my opinion). Is it about winning or getting better? If the team makes the championship brackets, that's good enough for me. Gets me home an hour earlier!
Any opinions about the Beach Bums program?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If your daughter plays well on TG purple, she will get noticed and play more. Girls on TG black should be better, but playing time is equal for all girls on the black team. Not the case with TG and most organizations' B and C teams - where standout girls play more.

The level of talent on A teams should be closer from the top to bottom of roster than B teams. If you leave and she plays for another organization, will she still get the playing time? The new organization will likely keep the girls they already have if the talent level is equal. They know your checks won't bounce and are not a crazy parent. If a girl jumps from team to team each year, why should the organization be loyal to the player? I don't really get why people want to do that every year. If your daughter is talented, and gets better each year, than the organization did it's job (in my opinion). Is it about winning or getting better? If the team makes the championship brackets, that's good enough for me. Gets me home an hour earlier!


Playing time is NEVER equal on any of the top teams - they all play to win
maybe your expectation of your daughters skills are not realistic. If you think she should be on a "higher" level team but keeps making the "B" team, maybe you need to readjust your outlook. Let the kids play and have fun. Stop living through your student-athlete.
If your daughter has been on TG Purple for a year or two and is frustrated by the lack of movement up to Black take her to all of the other club tryouts and see how she fairs with them. If she is a quality player that TG just doesn't recognize she will definitely make one or more of the A teams out there.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If your daughter has been on TG Purple for a year or two and is frustrated by the lack of movement up to Black take her to all of the other club tryouts and see how she fairs with them. If she is a quality player that TG just doesn't recognize she will definitely make one or more of the A teams out there.


I agree with attending other tryouts as long as your daughter does not need to be on a certain team. Don't forget that some clubs only have 1 team in each division. I don't know the pecking order of 2020 teams so I can't help you with who is better. The last tryout is usually YJ if you are not happy with anything else but with any club with more than one team, your daughter would need to be noticeably better than the bottom of the A team roster for the club to take her and put her on the A team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If your daughter has been on TG Purple for a year or two and is frustrated by the lack of movement up to Black take her to all of the other club tryouts and see how she fairs with them. If she is a quality player that TG just doesn't recognize she will definitely make one or more of the A teams out there.


Like I said in my original post, we are not on TG purple yet this is our first time ever trying out for TG and she made the purple team.Just wanted some feedback from parents that are there before we accepted the position. Just wanted to know how easy it is to move up in the organization before we committed to it. What are the quality of coaches? Will she develop? Etc
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maybe your expectation of your daughters skills are not realistic. If you think she should be on a "higher" level team but keeps making the "B" team, maybe you need to readjust your outlook. Let the kids play and have fun. Stop living through your student-athlete.


This is her first time trying out for TG, she came from another club. Just surprised she made B team and puzzled as to whether to accept it.
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Any opinions about the Beach Bums program?

I think 91 bought them, and they have quickly gone down the drain (not sure how they are for the younger girls, bt most of the better older girls have moved onto new programs).
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If your daughter has been on TG Purple for a year or two and is frustrated by the lack of movement up to Black take her to all of the other club tryouts and see how she fairs with them. If she is a quality player that TG just doesn't recognize she will definitely make one or more of the A teams out there.


Like I said in my original post, we are not on TG purple yet this is our first time ever trying out for TG and she made the purple team.Just wanted some feedback from parents that are there before we accepted the position. Just wanted to know how easy it is to move up in the organization before we committed to it. What are the quality of coaches? Will she develop? Etc


they moved a couple of kids up from Purple to Black this year.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]My daughter tried out last week and made top gun purple. should have made black team but was new to the club so i guess they moved up existing players.I'd put her as a low or mid/low level "A" player if I was ranking her. Haven't responded yet. Wondering if people decline their black team spots if they would offer it to her. Hesitant to commit to the purple team. Also we did get email reminders to accept this week. Any comments would be appreciated

Waiting for Legacy then the chips will fall into place. Big turnover this year on both the black and purple not sure what your getting from either team.


Every club out there is the right fit for certain people. So many parents think that their kid making the top team at the top club will ultimately make them happy. While making the top team is an accomplishment, and your daughter should be proud if she makes it, the reality is that the experience may not be great. A kid struggling to stay afloat on top team, may indeed have a better experience on the team below. I see it every year with a few kids . There will always be a handful of players on every team who are quite frankly in over their heads. Best to keep a realistic expectation of what team your kid should be on and pick the best team that truly fits her talent/skill and most importantly athletic level.


Well said. BUT, this doesn't take into account the egos of the parents. I mean, what's more important here?

But seriously, I think you are right except for the fact that some kids will do better when pressured to get better to keep up. Bigger fish smaller pond.

thank you for the info..much apprciated
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If your daughter has been on TG Purple for a year or two and is frustrated by the lack of movement up to Black take her to all of the other club tryouts and see how she fairs with them. If she is a quality player that TG just doesn't recognize she will definitely make one or more of the A teams out there.


Like I said in my original post, we are not on TG purple yet this is our first time ever trying out for TG and she made the purple team.Just wanted some feedback from parents that are there before we accepted the position. Just wanted to know how easy it is to move up in the organization before we committed to it. What are the quality of coaches? Will she develop? Etc


they moved a couple of kids up from Purple to Black this year.


Ok now so what about the coaching? Coaching should be equally important when deciding. There are a lot of things that should be considered when picking a club. What's the potential for growth? Is their feedback on child's progress whether good or bad? When lacrosse on Long Island becomes more about actually helping the kids rather than selling you false promises and taking your check. The kids and teams will get better.
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My daughter tried out last week and made top gun purple. should have made black team but was new to the club so i guess they moved up existing players.I'd put her as a low or mid/low level "A" player if I was ranking her. Haven't responded yet. Wondering if people decline their black team spots if they would offer it to her. Hesitant to commit to the purple team. Also we did get email reminders to accept this week. Any comments would be appreciated


You would be surprised to know that both teams are exactly alike talent wise this year. The talent pool is dwindling. No standouts on either team and the talent are all leaving for other clubs whether a or b what's left are all average players. Other clubs are plucking TG a and b talent away at a rapid pace.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
maybe your expectation of your daughters skills are not realistic. If you think she should be on a "higher" level team but keeps making the "B" team, maybe you need to readjust your outlook. Let the kids play and have fun. Stop living through your student-athlete.


This is her first time trying out for TG, she came from another club. Just surprised she made B team and puzzled as to whether to accept it.


You would need to put it into context, basically what team is she coming from that has you surprised that she didn't make black? Despite all the TG bashing on here, there are some very talented girls on 2020 black. Unless half the players end up walking away( which sounds like may happen), maybe there is no room for your daughters talent. If she was a top 5-10 player coming from YJ, I would be surprised if she did not make black. If she was a top 1-3 player from elevate, legacy maybe liberty , I might be a little surprised. Seriously it is still only a very small handful of kids who could make this team. I know so many purple parents who just don't get it, or at least can't see it. I have no idea of your daughter or her lacrosse skills, but this is an all too familiar gripe and groan at every club/school team.
She was a top player on the 4th YJ team
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If your daughter has been on TG Purple for a year or two and is frustrated by the lack of movement up to Black take her to all of the other club tryouts and see how she fairs with them. If she is a quality player that TG just doesn't recognize she will definitely make one or more of the A teams out there.


Like I said in my original post, we are not on TG purple yet this is our first time ever trying out for TG and she made the purple team.Just wanted some feedback from parents that are there before we accepted the position. Just wanted to know how easy it is to move up in the organization before we committed to it. What are the quality of coaches? Will she develop? Etc


My friends kid was on purple last year had a great experience .

My friends daughter was on purple last year and had a great experience .
You can't go by what the couple of disgruntled people post on here .

they moved a couple of kids up from Purple to Black this year.


Ok now so what about the coaching? Coaching should be equally important when deciding. There are a lot of things that should be considered when picking a club. What's the potential for growth? Is their feedback on child's progress whether good or bad? When lacrosse on Long Island becomes more about actually helping the kids rather than selling you false promises and taking your check. The kids and teams will get better.
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She was a top player on the 4th YJ team


There are 3 of them from that team that came over, one is on the black team now, 2 are on purple. Take that for what it's worth but this is the talent black now has
Have a question. My daughter played against a yj team this summer 2020 group. Coach was a large heavy set gentleman. Does anyone know what team that was. C or d. Definitely not their a or b team as we beat them fairly easily and our team was crushed by what I think was yj b..
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Have a question. My daughter played against a yj team this summer 2020 group. Coach was a large heavy set gentleman. Does anyone know what team that was. C or d. Definitely not their a or b team as we beat them fairly easily and our team was crushed by what I think was yj b..


YJ D team
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Were both liberty a and b teams weak? Not worried about being on best team in the area just want to have good coaching and college connections if my daughter decides to try and play in college.


You will get good coaching and college connections. Directors are at and run majority of practices in fall and winter and spring. Plenty of information regarding the recruiting process as well.
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She was a top player on the 4th YJ team

What exactly is a top player on a YJ "4th" team? Yj's best players are on teams 1-2. anything past that are kids that are lesser skilled and just want to play lacrosse for the love of the game. Team 4 is no way, shape or form competitive. As successful as YJ is, if you are placed on 4th team then there is no way you can or should be placed on another club's such as TG top team. If you were a A player you would be on YJ blue or gold not 4. Says a lot about what's going on at TG. Most parents are very delusional and do not see what's going on right under there eyes. This is not a bash just a genuine assessment from an outsider that's been around successful programs for a while.
The. Problem is that TG used to be a successful program that everyone wanted to play for. Now they are little more than a startup with all the defections from purple and black 2020.
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The. Problem is that TG used to be a successful program that everyone wanted to play for. Now they are little more than a startup with all the defections from purple and black 2020.


ok. bye troll
anyone have a reliable estimate how many 2020 tg black players who tried out this past week have left to legacy or elsewhere?
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anyone have a reliable estimate how many 2020 tg black players who tried out this past week have left to legacy or elsewhere?


Legacy didn't take any of the black players that tried out. There's just no talent left at that level on TG for him to take any.
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The. Problem is that TG used to be a successful program that everyone wanted to play for. Now they are little more than a startup with all the defections from purple and black 2020.


If you are not on the team why do you care about what kind of team they are? Shouldn't you be worried about your own team? Players leave & stay for a variety of reasons. Do those reasons impact your life in any way? If not, stop worrying about a team your daughter doesn't play on.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
anyone have a reliable estimate how many 2020 tg black players who tried out this past week have left to legacy or elsewhere?


Legacy didn't take any of the black players that tried out. There's just no talent left at that level on TG for him to take any.


That is 100% not true! He took at least 2 girls!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
anyone have a reliable estimate how many 2020 tg black players who tried out this past week have left to legacy or elsewhere?


Legacy didn't take any of the black players that tried out. There's just no talent left at that level on TG for him to take any.



I heard 2 girls from TG black went to Legacy blue...So Are you sure?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
anyone have a reliable estimate how many 2020 tg black players who tried out this past week have left to legacy or elsewhere?


Legacy didn't take any of the black players that tried out. There's just no talent left at that level on TG for him to take any.



I heard 2 girls from TG black went to Legacy blue...So Are you sure?

Where they 2 girls who got moved off of TG black after tryouts this year?
Legacy is not better than TG at any level. People who leave TG purple are leaving because they cannot make TG black. Simple truth. People who leave are mad that they cannot make the TG black team. Any organization will let B team players leave if they think they can make another organization's A team.

It is no different in girls' lacrosse than many professional sports. When backup players leave to become starters they rarely remain starters because their weaknesses get exposed. Some develop to become superstars, but some remain career backups. Nothing wrong with that as long as you are playing the game you love. Problem is the parents don't see it. This is the age where it gets harder to improve and take spots from other top level players.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
anyone have a reliable estimate how many 2020 tg black players who tried out this past week have left to legacy or elsewhere?


Legacy didn't take any of the black players that tried out. There's just no talent left at that level on TG for him to take any.



I heard 2 girls from TG black went to Legacy blue...So Are you sure?

Where they 2 girls who got moved off of TG black after tryouts this year?

Yes 2 moved down to purple and 3 moved up to black
Of the 2 girls who went to Legecy from the TG black team, did those 2 girls also make the black team again this year? Or were they moved off of Black to purple and decided to go to legacy?
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Legacy is not better than TG at any level. People who leave TG purple are leaving because they cannot make TG black. Simple truth. People who leave are mad that they cannot make the TG black team. Any organization will let B team players leave if they think they can make another organization's A team.

It is no different in girls' lacrosse than many professional sports. When backup players leave to become starters they rarely remain starters because their weaknesses get exposed. Some develop to become superstars, but some remain career backups. Nothing wrong with that as long as you are playing the game you love. Problem is the parents don't see it. This is the age where it gets harder to improve and take spots from other top level players.


Random rant much... I think they were asking about TG Black not purple. You sound very angry for no reason. Must have just clicked accept on that acceptance email. Now that you got that off your chest, Do you feel better?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy is not better than TG at any level. People who leave TG purple are leaving because they cannot make TG black. Simple truth. People who leave are mad that they cannot make the TG black team. Any organization will let B team players leave if they think they can make another organization's A team.

It is no different in girls' lacrosse than many professional sports. When backup players leave to become starters they rarely remain starters because their weaknesses get exposed. Some develop to become superstars, but some remain career backups. Nothing wrong with that as long as you are playing the game you love. Problem is the parents don't see it. This is the age where it gets harder to improve and take spots from other top level players.


Random rant much... I think they were asking about TG Black not purple. You sound very angry for no reason. Must have just clicked accept on that acceptance email. Now that you got that off your chest, Do you feel better?


How do you explain the best 2020 girl on the island leaving TG black for YJ, when she was already on the best team?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy is not better than TG at any level. People who leave TG purple are leaving because they cannot make TG black. Simple truth. People who leave are mad that they cannot make the TG black team. Any organization will let B team players leave if they think they can make another organization's A team.

It is no different in girls' lacrosse than many professional sports. When backup players leave to become starters they rarely remain starters because their weaknesses get exposed. Some develop to become superstars, but some remain career backups. Nothing wrong with that as long as you are playing the game you love. Problem is the parents don't see it. This is the age where it gets harder to improve and take spots from other top level players.


So you're saying that those who left to go to Legacy or YJ left because they couldn't make the black team? Quite sure some black players left also, why did they leave? Those who left for other clubs B teams had to have known they would possibly make the B team and they still left anyway even after making that team. If it was all about making a A team as you put it then why did they all still leave? I'm sure they all had different reasons for going and they owe none on us any explanation what they do with their kid or money is their business. Not mine, not yours. Maybe YJ/Legacy has something they're not getting from TG or else the would have stayed.
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Of the 2 girls who went to Legecy from the TG black team, did those 2 girls also make the black team again this year? Or were they moved off of Black to purple and decided to go to legacy?


One left & one was moved down to purple
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy is not better than TG at any level. People who leave TG purple are leaving because they cannot make TG black. Simple truth. People who leave are mad that they cannot make the TG black team. Any organization will let B team players leave if they think they can make another organization's A team.

It is no different in girls' lacrosse than many professional sports. When backup players leave to become starters they rarely remain starters because their weaknesses get exposed. Some develop to become superstars, but some remain career backups. Nothing wrong with that as long as you are playing the game you love. Problem is the parents don't see it. This is the age where it gets harder to improve and take spots from other top level players.


Random rant much... I think they were asking about TG Black not purple. You sound very angry for no reason. Must have just clicked accept on that acceptance email. Now that you got that off your chest, Do you feel better?


How do you explain the best 2020 girl on the island leaving TG black for YJ, when she was already on the best team?


Yawn!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy is not better than TG at any level. People who leave TG purple are leaving because they cannot make TG black. Simple truth. People who leave are mad that they cannot make the TG black team. Any organization will let B team players leave if they think they can make another organization's A team.

It is no different in girls' lacrosse than many professional sports. When backup players leave to become starters they rarely remain starters because their weaknesses get exposed. Some develop to become superstars, but some remain career backups. Nothing wrong with that as long as you are playing the game you love. Problem is the parents don't see it. This is the age where it gets harder to improve and take spots from other top level players.


Random rant much... I think they were asking about TG Black not purple. You sound very angry for no reason. Must have just clicked accept on that acceptance email. Now that you got that off your chest, Do you feel better?


How do you explain the best 2020 girl on the island leaving TG black for YJ, when she was already on the best team?

This also happened at the 2021 age as well. Top girl on the island left for YJ. Just a matter of time until the other top girl leaves and the team is a total b/c level team. They barely beat their 2nd team this summer. This is why TG will never compete with YJ or any top MD teams anymore.
many 2021 tg girls were at legacy tryouts unsure on what teams, heard many parents talking about it. there were a handful of solid players there but unsure if tg girls.
So I guess everyone should run to Yellow Jackets then. If all the best girls are going there, their A team will soon have 40 girls on the roster. How much better can YJ get and still have all the girls play. I assume girls on the bottom of the roster will leave YJ and go somewhere else too, right? Unless YJ B and C teams are attractive teams to play on. Just makes sense to me if people are added, others have to be moved.
In case you forgot legacy teal beat tg purple this summer .. So don't go ranting how tg is better than legacy at any level ...
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So I guess everyone should run to Yellow Jackets then. If all the best girls are going there, their A team will soon have 40 girls on the roster. How much better can YJ get and still have all the girls play. I assume girls on the bottom of the roster will leave YJ and go somewhere else too, right? Unless YJ B and C teams are attractive teams to play on. Just makes sense to me if people are added, others have to be moved.


Same thing happening at Legacy....Add a couple of new girls to Blue bump a few down to teal.
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In case you forgot legacy teal beat tg purple this summer .. So don't go ranting how tg is better than legacy at any level ...



And black tied blue with the "best 2020" on LI. Now she left?
This is a girl that doesn't want to be on the best team, which would raise her level of play, she doesn't want the competition. Competition is what gives the teams their edge. You have to earn your spot on one of the top teams.
which grade level are you talking about?
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This is a girl that doesn't want to be on the best team, which would raise her level of play, she doesn't want the competition. Competition is what gives the teams their edge. You have to earn your spot on one of the top teams.

How can you know your full potential and level of play if your club team avoids all the top teams? I'm guessing it's safer to stay rather than have to go to other clubs and actually have a real tryout and have people see your real potential/talent outside of the purple uniform, It will be pretty interesting to see if one A level player can help save this team this upcoming year. I think she will also see the light and leave and that would be The final nail in the coffin for TG. Don't see who's left staying around while they're team is being laughed at as the rise and fall of the once mighty TG
2014/2015 2015/2016
TG 2020 purple
About 8 or so girls left TG purple for Legacy 2014/2015 This year 2015/2016 the other half left. I can definately tell you that some deserved it, some not ,but that is not the reason most left.
Almost 20 girls left 2020 purple, why? Because they didn't make Black? Come on.... Let's be honest here.
Look, some girls left because of politics ,yes it's true and it's everywhere, but simply put ....purple was lacking in Coaching.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a girl that doesn't want to be on the best team, which would raise her level of play, she doesn't want the competition. Competition is what gives the teams their edge. You have to earn your spot on one of the top teams.

How can you know your full potential and level of play if your club team avoids all the top teams? I'm guessing it's safer to stay rather than have to go to other clubs and actually have a real tryout and have people see your real potential/talent outside of the purple uniform, It will be pretty interesting to see if one A level player can help save this team this upcoming year. I think she will also see the light and leave and that would be The final nail in the coffin for TG. Don't see who's left staying around while they're team is being laughed at as the rise and fall of the once mighty TG


6 years ago when TG started, it was one of the only other legit options to YJ. Shannon and Bill didn't have to work hard to field good/great teams. Now the momentum has swung the other way either back to YJ or to the new kid in town Legacy. The club can be "saved" but it will take some effort. In my opinion it will depend on the coaches, they have to be involved. The extra 10 practices are a good start. Coaches need to be at practices with their teams and at tournaments with their teams.
My experience, was practices were run by one group of coaches and tournaments by another coach often without much knowledge of the team she was coaching that weekend. Moving forward that needs to change.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a girl that doesn't want to be on the best team, which would raise her level of play, she doesn't want the competition. Competition is what gives the teams their edge. You have to earn your spot on one of the top teams.

How can you know your full potential and level of play if your club team avoids all the top teams? I'm guessing it's safer to stay rather than have to go to other clubs and actually have a real tryout and have people see your real potential/talent outside of the purple uniform, It will be pretty interesting to see if one A level player can help save this team this upcoming year. I think she will also see the light and leave and that would be The final nail in the coffin for TG. Don't see who's left staying around while they're team is being laughed at as the rise and fall of the once mighty TG


6 years ago when TG started, it was one of the only other legit options to YJ. Shannon and Bill didn't have to work hard to field good/great teams. Now the momentum has swung the other way either back to YJ or to the new kid in town Legacy. The club can be "saved" but it will take some effort. In my opinion it will depend on the coaches, they have to be involved. The extra 10 practices are a good start. Coaches need to be at practices with their teams and at tournaments with their teams.
My experience, was practices were run by one group of coaches and tournaments by another coach often without much knowledge of the team she was coaching that weekend. Moving forward that needs to change.


You are 100% correct. Most teams are coached by young college girls that will be away at school for winter practice. They will also miss most of the spring practices before the first tournament because school hasn't let out yet. How can you expect the teams to gel when the coaches are seeing them for the first time at a tournament?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a girl that doesn't want to be on the best team, which would raise her level of play, she doesn't want the competition. Competition is what gives the teams their edge. You have to earn your spot on one of the top teams.

How can you know your full potential and level of play if your club team avoids all the top teams? I'm guessing it's safer to stay rather than have to go to other clubs and actually have a real tryout and have people see your real potential/talent outside of the purple uniform, It will be pretty interesting to see if one A level player can help save this team this upcoming year. I think she will also see the light and leave and that would be The final nail in the coffin for TG. Don't see who's left staying around while they're team is being laughed at as the rise and fall of the once mighty TG


6 years ago when TG started, it was one of the only other legit options to YJ. Shannon and Bill didn't have to work hard to field good/great teams. Now the momentum has swung the other way either back to YJ or to the new kid in town Legacy. The club can be "saved" but it will take some effort. In my opinion it will depend on the coaches, they have to be involved. The extra 10 practices are a good start. Coaches need to be at practices with their teams and at tournaments with their teams.
My experience, was practices were run by one group of coaches and tournaments by another coach often without much knowledge of the team she was coaching that weekend. Moving forward that needs to change.


Yes and they need talent, good coaching and good athletic kids can make that team bounce back. Can't bounce back with the players that are there now. Not to discredit any of them but less than a handful are good, the rest belong on Purple. When they reshuffled it wasn't for the best, maybe next year they will get it right. but also the kids with a Talent are all at other clubs, so TG has a lot of work cut out for them. Where do the go now to find players?
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2014/2015 2015/2016
TG 2020 purple
About 8 or so girls left TG purple for Legacy 2014/2015 This year 2015/2016 the other half left. I can definately tell you that some deserved it, some not ,but that is not the reason most left.
Almost 20 girls left 2020 purple, why? Because they didn't make Black? Come on.... Let's be honest here.
Look, some girls left because of politics ,yes it's true and it's everywhere, but simply put ....purple was lacking in Coaching.

Did any of the girls that left Purple make Blue or are they playing on Teal?
Wasn't trying to knock Legacy. I meant all A level teams, TG has the edge at different age levels - not team levels. Not really getting why people put so much stock into overanalyzing B and C teams in any program. A level teams give organizations their reputation, not B level teams. Funny watching any organization's A and B teams play each other. Everyone gets nervous that the B team will beat the A team. Yes, it happens. Let's remember, they're 13. Not many people talk about goalies here either. They can make or break a team for better or for worse.
Isn't there a domino effect in all of this? How are the girls / parents on an established team going to feel when a new "superstar" kid from another program comes in? When a program does this to make a team better, what does it say about loyalty to kids who are already on that team? Double edged sword . . . you need loyalty to build a program, but you also need talent to do so.
I know of... I think it's 5 TG girls that made Teal and 2 on Blue from black, this year
A lot of talent on legacy 2020 Blue & Teal this year. Good luck to all the girls
If your the A team on a B level club, you are basically still a B level team. What I see going on here is that TG's came on the scene several years back, made a small argument to be a A level club but has since fallen well short of that. Now you have clubs like Legacy, Elevate, Liberty etc. Right on par now with TGs. Its a battle for B club supremacy. None of these clubs are A clubs.
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If your the A team on a B level club, you are basically still a B level team. What I see going on here is that TG's came on the scene several years back, made a small argument to be a A level club but has since fallen well short of that. Now you have clubs like Legacy, Elevate, Liberty etc. Right on par now with TGs. Its a battle for B club supremacy. None of these clubs are A clubs.


You're a tool.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If your the A team on a B level club, you are basically still a B level team. What I see going on here is that TG's came on the scene several years back, made a small argument to be a A level club but has since fallen well short of that. Now you have clubs like Legacy, Elevate, Liberty etc. Right on par now with TGs. Its a battle for B club supremacy. None of these clubs are A clubs.


Yes, all hail the almighty YJ! If you don't play for them you should just hang your stick up and not bother playing at all!
It appears the lack of coaching at TG is catching up to them at all age groups. As parents look for a better option for their daughters.
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It appears the lack of coaching at TG is catching up to them at all age groups. As parents look for a better option for their daughters.


hello troll......over here now.....with your vast knowledge....please inform us of the better options because we cant wait to hear this
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
It appears the lack of coaching at TG is catching up to them at all age groups. As parents look for a better option for their daughters.


hello troll......over here now.....with your vast knowledge....please inform us of the better options because we cant wait to hear this


Curious then why you feel kids are leaving TG in such large numbers , many of your top teams have been decimated . When not only your top players but also almost your entire second teams are leaving obviously something is wrong. TG has has more kids leave their top two teams in each age group than any other club, please inform us with your vast knowledge as to why because we can't wait to hear.
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It appears the lack of coaching at TG is catching up to them at all age groups. As parents look for a better option for their daughters.


How good can these "other clubs" be if they have roster spots open for TG girls? If these superstar TG girls are leaving for other A teams than that to me says that TG had some really good talent last year . . . and have not been on the decline for years like many have posted.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It appears the lack of coaching at TG is catching up to them at all age groups. As parents look for a better option for their daughters.


How good can these "other clubs" be if they have roster spots open for TG girls? If these superstar TG girls are leaving for other A teams than that to me says that TG had some really good talent last year . . . and have not been on the decline for years like many have posted.


You sound silly, either way you put it, ALL the Talent whether A or B for this age group is now gone. not 1 or 2 but groups of girls leaving or have left.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It appears the lack of coaching at TG is catching up to them at all age groups. As parents look for a better option for their daughters.


How good can these "other clubs" be if they have roster spots open for TG girls? If these superstar TG girls are leaving for other A teams than that to me says that TG had some really good talent last year . . . and have not been on the decline for years like many have posted.

Player development and motivation has stalled at TG. Lack of quality coaching and consistent coaching. While some of the college girls do a nice job with the players, their time together is short and the others are on their phones texting and even worse some of the coaches don't get along (2021 black coaches). SS only showed any interest in the 2020 black team, and only sits under her tent during camps collecting checks before the camp starts, then sits on her phone all day rather that walk around to oversee the stations during those camps, she should be more involved and hands on. All the clubs are a money grab in many ways, but TG is starting to become arrogant and forgetting that the consumer has other options. Some of those options used to be part of their club and splintered away because they saw/heard the dissatisfaction of parents and kids first hand and told the family, the family didn't want to listen.

Also the kids are not happy in the organization because they are not getting better at a rate consistent with their peers at other clubs, and have not been able to compete with top clubs. Better players are not being promoted to top teams leading to more frustration. It tells you something when purple girls can go to other clubs and make their top teams. Especially when those teams are as good as your own top team and getting better. It tells you that your politics is holding some of your talented girls down and hurting your overall ability to compete by not having the top girls on the top team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It appears the lack of coaching at TG is catching up to them at all age groups. As parents look for a better option for their daughters.


How good can these "other clubs" be if they have roster spots open for TG girls? If these superstar TG girls are leaving for other A teams than that to me says that TG had some really good talent last year . . . and have not been on the decline for years like many have posted.

Player development and motivation has stalled at TG. Lack of quality coaching and consistent coaching. While some of the college girls do a nice job with the players, their time together is short and the others are on their phones texting and even worse some of the coaches don't get along (2021 black coaches). SS only showed any interest in the 2020 black team, and only sits under her tent during camps collecting checks before the camp starts, then sits on her phone all day rather that walk around to oversee the stations during those camps, she should be more involved and hands on. All the clubs are a money grab in many ways, but TG is starting to become arrogant and forgetting that the consumer has other options. Some of those options used to be part of their club and splintered away because they saw/heard the dissatisfaction of parents and kids first hand and told the family, the family didn't want to listen.

Also the kids are not happy in the organization because they are not getting better at a rate consistent with their peers at other clubs, and have not been able to compete with top clubs. Better players are not being promoted to top teams leading to more frustration. It tells you something when purple girls can go to other clubs and make their top teams. Especially when those teams are as good as your own top team and getting better. It tells you that your politics is holding some of your talented girls down and hurting your overall ability to compete by not having the top girls on the top team.

I agree that a lot more needs to be done about the coaching, the problem also is they cannot find coaches other than the college kids because any decent coach is going to want to be paid far more than what they get away with by hiring college kids. BS and SS are all about collecting the money not spending it. Secondly SS showed not attention at all to the purple team. Just because it's your 2nd team, those kids are not any way less inferior than those on black. It doesn't take much to show up and support one of their games and give them any type of feedback or motivation. It would be nice for her or BS to show up and support the purple team. See what's going on, see who's improving. How can you move kids up but never saw the kids play in any games? How can you say you moved some kids up based on summer game performance when you were not at any games? Why because that's all BS. Way too much politics which is starting to be the Demise of the club. When a parent from black can tell you that they will give you 4 or 5 of the girls that play for his town team if you keep his daughters spot safe, that's politics. When you constantly pick less talented over kids that really work hard and just want that acknowledgment or motivation but because they're not from WB or giving you money and gifts on the side, that's politics. It seems that anyone that can help fill TG coffers with more money can pretty much dictate what goes on. So much more going on but its too much to type.
I'm only going to address your statements about 2021 black, my daughter plays on that team. You are a liar, a fake, a phony and a fraud! Everything you said about the coaches is not true! My daughters experience at the camps is the polar opposite of your description as well, SS spent a [lacrosse] of a lot of time at stations and with the girls!
I believe you are here to promote your new girls program, I suggest you express what your program has done or will do rather then negative sell others. If all you can do is negative sell, them it is quite obvious your program has nothing!
FOF
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It appears the lack of coaching at TG is catching up to them at all age groups. As parents look for a better option for their daughters.


How good can these "other clubs" be if they have roster spots open for TG girls? If these superstar TG girls are leaving for other A teams than that to me says that TG had some really good talent last year . . . and have not been on the decline for years like many have posted.

Player development and motivation has stalled at TG. Lack of quality coaching and consistent coaching. While some of the college girls do a nice job with the players, their time together is short and the others are on their phones texting and even worse some of the coaches don't get along (2021 black coaches). SS only showed any interest in the 2020 black team, and only sits under her tent during camps collecting checks before the camp starts, then sits on her phone all day rather that walk around to oversee the stations during those camps, she should be more involved and hands on. All the clubs are a money grab in many ways, but TG is starting to become arrogant and forgetting that the consumer has other options. Some of those options used to be part of their club and splintered away because they saw/heard the dissatisfaction of parents and kids first hand and told the family, the family didn't want to listen.

Also the kids are not happy in the organization because they are not getting better at a rate consistent with their peers at other clubs, and have not been able to compete with top clubs. Better players are not being promoted to top teams leading to more frustration. It tells you something when purple girls can go to other clubs and make their top teams. Especially when those teams are as good as your own top team and getting better. It tells you that your politics is holding some of your talented girls down and hurting your overall ability to compete by not having the top girls on the top team.


Listen everyone has their opinions and should just move on if they are unhappy. The one statement that is a little off is when you say the girls are not getting any better compared to their peers at other clubs. The coaches cannot make them better players individually, that comes from within. Coaches take the talent they have and try to mold them into a cohesive unit that plays together. An individual gets better by constantly trying to improve on their own. Going to wall every day will make their stick sharper. A coach cannot do that. Can a coach show them a new dodge, of course but you as an individual must be able to make it work in a game situation. It is a game of repetition. If you are in this for getting your daughter recruited to a college, then do not blame a coach...stop spending so much time and energy on this website and go out and work with your daughter.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm only going to address your statements about 2021 black, my daughter plays on that team. You are a liar, a fake, a phony and a fraud! Everything you said about the coaches is not true! My daughters experience at the camps is the polar opposite of your description as well, SS spent a [lacrosse] of a lot of time at stations and with the girls!
I believe you are here to promote your new girls program, I suggest you express what your program has done or will do rather then negative sell others. If all you can do is negative sell, them it is quite obvious your program has nothing!

Well if your daughter plays on that team, please explain why they changed the coaches this year? Because of all the arguments they had this year.
You are absolutely incorrect. Yes there were some changes in the coaching, but not for the reasons you are trying to insinuate! There was no fighting period. Stop fishing troll and worry about your program!
TG has 17 teams. How is SS or BS going to see every game in a tournament weekend? I don't know any director who can physically do that, especially when older girls play at different locations than younger. It's easy for Legacy to do that because they only have one-third the number of girls. If Legacy grows, they too will be thin at coaching and attention to every team. People have been saying this nonsense for years and TG remains competitive. As girls lacrosse grows, the number of new organizations will continue to pop up and take new girls from all programs. That's good for the game, but I hope it doesn't water down the end product at tournaments. Not too many competitive games until you get to the playoff brackets as it is. Same can be said about some startup Maryland teams this summer . . . some very good but some really bad.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are absolutely incorrect. Yes there were some changes in the coaching, but not for the reasons you are trying to insinuate! There was no fighting period. Stop fishing troll and worry about your program!


It's amusing how parents come on here and post negative comments about a club and they are immediately called a "troll" from another club. There are MANY parents who are still part of the club and are not happy at all with the way the club is going. It's easy to say just go somewhere else if you are not happy but that isn't always the case. There are a lot of extenuating circumstances keeping girls in programs that they aren't happy with. This applies to all clubs, not just the one that's getting crushed right now.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG has 17 teams. How is SS or BS going to see every game in a tournament weekend? I don't know any director who can physically do that, especially when older girls play at different locations than younger. It's easy for Legacy to do that because they only have one-third the number of girls. If Legacy grows, they too will be thin at coaching and attention to every team. People have been saying this nonsense for years and TG remains competitive. As girls lacrosse grows, the number of new organizations will continue to pop up and take new girls from all programs. That's good for the game, but I hope it doesn't water down the end product at tournaments. Not too many competitive games until you get to the playoff brackets as it is. Same can be said about some startup Maryland teams this summer . . . some very good but some really bad.

I think the point was how can you justify moving up the girls that they moved up and say it was based on game/season performance when not one of them were at any games to see the girls actually perform. Whose word did they take? The college girls coaches that were always on their phones texting during the same games? And that's with all age groups not just 2020. I know for a fact a few other purple girls that should have been moved up without a doubt and were overlooked. But with no one to oversea the teams and games it's like they just plucked names out of a hat and said now you are on the A team. The teams played 20 games this past season and there are 3 Smiths. It they really cared they would have at least popped into Some of the other teams games , not just the black team. So don't be surprised now that almost the whole purple team is gone. Shouldn't matter now that they're missing quite a few dollars, they never really mattered anyway.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are absolutely incorrect. Yes there were some changes in the coaching, but not for the reasons you are trying to insinuate! There was no fighting period. Stop fishing troll and worry about your program!


It's amusing how parents come on here and post negative comments about a club and they are immediately called a "troll" from another club. There are MANY parents who are still part of the club and are not happy at all with the way the club is going. It's easy to say just go somewhere else if you are not happy but that isn't always the case. There are a lot of extenuating circumstances keeping girls in programs that they aren't happy with. This applies to all clubs, not just the one that's getting crushed right now.

That's true, were still on TG and are weighing our options also. As we're just not pleased with the club any longer, and that doesn't mean we're trolling it means sharing our opinions and thoughts with others to see if we are the only ones feeling this way.

It's amusing how parents come on here and post negative comments about a club and they are immediately called a "troll" from another club. There are MANY parents who are still part of the club and are not happy at all with the way the club is going. It's easy to say just go somewhere else if you are not happy but that isn't always the case. There are a lot of extenuating circumstances keeping girls in programs that they aren't happy with. This applies to all clubs, not just the one that's getting crushed right now. [/quote]

Because many people came on here last year too and said TG girls were leaving in droves and going to Elevate. Elevate did not do a lot this past summer with all of the "new" girls they had coming in. It's been the same bashing of TG for years, and no different now. Someone here asked, "What is so great about the other programs that is better than TG?." Still waiting for an answer of the program, coaching staff, and tournament playoff bracket appearances to answer that question.
Anyone have an opinion about ICON Lax?..on the girls side?...any info appreciated! thxs
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If your the A team on a B level club, you are basically still a B level team. What I see going on here is that TG's came on the scene several years back, made a small argument to be a A level club but has since fallen well short of that. Now you have clubs like Legacy, Elevate, Liberty etc. Right on par now with TGs. Its a battle for B club supremacy. None of these clubs are A clubs.


Yes, all hail the almighty YJ! If you don't play for them you should just hang your stick up and not bother playing at all!


Not at all, all these clubs are good for lacrosse and it is good for the consumer to have choices. But all this A, B clubs teams talk on this thread looks like it maybe club wars looking to soak up disgruntled players. Putting it into context with all these clubs claiming supremacy as the new A team best option. Honestly can Elevate, Legacy or TG's go down to a well represented tournament with all the MD teams and go toe to toe across the board at every age group? Not even remotely close. TG's never could either even at their peak. YJ was never mentioned yet you assumed it, and with good reason. But it is only the blue teams that play at that level, the rest of the yj teams ( and that's most of their teams) are in the same category Every club has its problems, even YJ. In the end you have to find the right place and team for your daughter on many levels, friends, development, competitiveness etc.... Again, just because a few people are on a thread associating their club as an "A" level option doesn't mean it is remotely close to reality. People read a few opinions on the internet a few times and start to believe it.
Icon 2020 is not that good

Not at all, all these clubs are good for lacrosse and it is good for the consumer to have choices. But all this A, B clubs teams talk on this thread looks like it maybe club wars looking to soak up disgruntled players. Putting it into context with all these clubs claiming supremacy as the new A team best option. Honestly can Elevate, Legacy or TG's go down to a well represented tournament with all the MD teams and go toe to toe across the board at every age group? Not even remotely close. TG's never could either even at their peak. YJ was never mentioned yet you assumed it, and with good reason. But it is only the blue teams that play at that level, the rest of the yj teams ( and that's most of their teams) are in the same category Every club has its problems, even YJ. In the end you have to find the right place and team for your daughter on many levels, friends, development, competitiveness etc.... Again, just because a few people are on a thread associating their club as an "A" level option doesn't mean it is remotely close to reality. People read a few opinions on the internet a few times and start to believe it. [/quote]

Perfectly said! The key word you said is "friends." Made so many this year. I hope none of these people end up on my daughter's team. Are they watching their daughters play, or are they taking notes to see where they are going to tryout next year?

Icon is a boys' program much like Express. Teams are okay.
ICON sent out notice regarding boys & GIRLS tryouts....I think they have had teams for few years now...
Ok ty for the feedback...
Originally Posted by anonomous
ICON sent out notice regarding boys & GIRLS tryouts....I think they have had teams for few years now...


Icon AND Express are boys' programs first, girls second. Legacy is boys first as well, but their girls teams fared better.
thxs much..i know a few like fl$ are boy centric and throw on girls to prob pay the director hotel bills...was wondering if that applies to ICON as well...focus may/may not be there
The only people that seemed to be concerned with this meaningless A team vs B team crap are obviously YJ parents. Everyone else is too mature to bother with that trivial childish baloney. YJ patents are the worst.
My daughter does not play for Icon, but they have two great coaches who both played college lacrosse and are girls varsity assistant coaches. Icon is better than fl$. They are on the same level as 91 girls (which is yet another boys' program that has girls too).
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonomous
ICON sent out notice regarding boys & GIRLS tryouts....I think they have had teams for few years now...


Icon AND Express are boys' programs first, girls second. Legacy is boys first as well, but their girls teams fared better.


I can tell you from direct experience- Express is absolutely not about the girls program. Girls are treated as 2nd rate for sure.
thanks to all for the valuable input!...nice to hear good, honest opinions instead of outright bashing..
[quote=Anonymous]This is a girl that doesn't want to be on the best team, which would raise her level of play, she doesn't want the competition. Competition is what gives the teams their edge. You have to earn your spot on one of the top teams. [/quote

unless youre a cop or fireman friend
wth?.... what are saying and to who/what is it directed?..cant make heads/tails out of what you are babbling about..
Everyone signing up for the fall tournaments? Is it held against us if we don't?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone signing up for the fall tournaments? Is it held against us if we don't?

What club are you talking about? Many clubs have fall tournaments please be more specific
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone signing up for the fall tournaments? Is it held against us if we don't?


no
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone signing up for the fall tournaments? Is it held against us if we don't?


no


No, you're not signing up? Or, No, its not held against us?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone signing up for the fall tournaments? Is it held against us if we don't?


no


No, you're not signing up? Or, No, its not held against us?


no and no
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone signing up for the fall tournaments? Is it held against us if we don't?


no


No, you're not signing up? Or, No, its not held against us?


no and no
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone signing up for the fall tournaments? Is it held against us if we don't?


no


No, you're not signing up? Or, No, its not held against us?


no and no


F=that- I AM holding it against anyone that doesn't sign up, and NO I am not signing myself up.
looks like Liberty, Legacy and Elevate will be beneficiaries of the exodus from TG...Liberty and Legacy will get stronger and more competitive...Elevate in the mix too...
Originally Posted by anonomous
looks like Liberty, Legacy and Elevate will be beneficiaries of the exodus from TG...Liberty and Legacy will get stronger and more competitive...Elevate in the mix too...


Beneficiaries yes. Make them stronger, that's questionable.
How are B and C team players leaving TG going to make anyone better? If they left TG, they will probably try to make someone else's B and C teams the next year when they leave your daughter's team. Have fun making friends with these people next summer. When they go to Elevate, and realize DK charges you double for everything, they will not stay. How come Elevate doesn't post the team fee?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How are B and C team players leaving TG going to make anyone better? If they left TG, they will probably try to make someone else's B and C teams the next year when they leave your daughter's team. Have fun making friends with these people next summer. When they go to Elevate, and realize DK charges you double for everything, they will not stay. How come Elevate doesn't post the team fee?


Ask yourself if your getting the training and guidance from your club. Including recruiting and personal development.
Some clubs offer plenty and some use big names to lure you into thinking you'll get Top Grade training just to get the minimum. If your going to pay you may as well get your money's worth.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How are B and C team players leaving TG going to make anyone better? If they left TG, they will probably try to make someone else's B and C teams the next year when they leave your daughter's team. Have fun making friends with these people next summer. When they go to Elevate, and realize DK charges you double for everything, they will not stay. How come Elevate doesn't post the team fee?


Your a moron.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How are B and C team players leaving TG going to make anyone better? If they left TG, they will probably try to make someone else's B and C teams the next year when they leave your daughter's team. Have fun making friends with these people next summer. When they go to Elevate, and realize DK charges you double for everything, they will not stay. How come Elevate doesn't post the team fee?
[quote=Anonymous]How are B and C team players leaving TG going to make anyone better? If they left TG, they will probably try to make someone else's B and C teams the next year when they leave your daughter's team. Have fun making friends with these people next summer. When they go to Elevate, and realize DK charges you double for everything, they will not stay. How come Elevate doesn't post the team fee?

A couple of those players that left TG have already made A teams elsewhere. Showing they were dropped from black to make room for f&f not because they weren't good players. We'll see how well TG will fare with the new and improved team.
Like YJ's don't double and triple charge. Winter clinics $50 per hour to run shuttles give me a break
At least YJ is a top team. Elevate is not in the same ballpark but charge like they are.


Your a moron. [/quote]

You're a moron!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At least YJ is a top team. Elevate is not in the same ballpark but charge like they are.


What does YJ charge for their recruiting services?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At least YJ is a top team. Elevate is not in the same ballpark but charge like they are.


What does YJ charge for their recruiting services?

LOL... isn't it like 500 or more now. Criminal
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At least YJ is a top team. Elevate is not in the same ballpark but charge like they are.


What does YJ charge for their recruiting services?

LOL... isn't it like 500 or more now. Criminal


If you're paying for recruiting services for an 8th grader then you're nuts. No one is looking at 8th graders no matter how good they are.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At least YJ is a top team. Elevate is not in the same ballpark but charge like they are.


What does YJ charge for their recruiting services?

LOL... isn't it like 500 or more now. Criminal


If you're paying for recruiting services for an 8th grader then you're nuts. No one is looking at 8th graders no matter how good they are.


and if they are getting looks, then there's no reason to pay anyone
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At least YJ is a top team. Elevate is not in the same ballpark but charge like they are.


What does YJ charge for their recruiting services?

LOL... isn't it like 500 or more now. Criminal


If you're paying for recruiting services for an 8th grader then you're nuts. No one is looking at 8th graders no matter how good they are.


I am not a fan of the early recruiting, but you are wrong. The last several years has seen the first wave of commits of the elite as eigth graders. That is 2020 for next summer. You will see the 2019s start right now based on this past summers play, jast as we saw the 2018 last fall.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At least YJ is a top team. Elevate is not in the same ballpark but charge like they are.


What does YJ charge for their recruiting services?

LOL... isn't it like 500 or more now. Criminal


If you're paying for recruiting services for an 8th grader then you're nuts. No one is looking at 8th graders no matter how good they are.


I am not a fan of the early recruiting, but you are wrong. The last several years has seen the first wave of commits of the elite as eigth graders. That is 2020 for next summer. You will see the 2019s start right now based on this past summers play, jast as we saw the 2018 last fall.


Early verbals is sheer lunacy that is pushed by these for profit travel clubs because it's good for their business and posting on their websites and twitter. Keep pushing and driving your kids all over gods creation for that $7,500 offer and sign where your director tells you to.

I don't get how everyone kisses these programs asses while paying in $4 or $5 thousand a year. It's like a cult.
In Maryland they are getting offers as we speak so you have no clue. That is for the 2019s
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody trains unless you pay xtra. YJ practices once a week . That's it


Less than that at the B teams! They never make up rained out practices. Good coaches but you get NOTHING extra from them and they DO NOT reschedule practices! After 3 years....looking at other options.
any word on turnout for Elevate tryouts over the weekend?...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
any word on turnout for Elevate tryouts over the weekend?...
If you were not there, why do you care?
well, figured all the chatter about TG losing players to other programs would mean that maybe Elevate would benefit....that ok for you?...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
well, figured all the chatter about TG losing players to other programs would mean that maybe Elevate would benefit....that ok for you?...


Decent amt of girls there for 2020. 2019 looked smaller. 2020 talent wise was pretty high I thought...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At least YJ is a top team. Elevate is not in the same ballpark but charge like they are.


What does YJ charge for their recruiting services?

LOL... isn't it like 500 or more now. Criminal


If you're paying for recruiting services for an 8th grader then you're nuts. No one is looking at 8th graders no matter how good they are.


I am not a fan of the early recruiting, but you are wrong. The last several years has seen the first wave of commits of the elite as eigth graders. That is 2020 for next summer. You will see the 2019s start right now based on this past summers play, jast as we saw the 2018 last fall.


Early verbals is sheer lunacy that is pushed by these for profit travel clubs because it's good for their business and posting on their websites and twitter. Keep pushing and driving your kids all over gods creation for that $7,500 offer and sign where your director tells you to.

I don't get how everyone kisses these programs asses while paying in $4 or $5 thousand a year. It's like a cult.


The cult just roasted a pig this weekend is that part of the initiation or was that just the luau?
Originally Posted by strongARM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
well, figured all the chatter about TG losing players to other programs would mean that maybe Elevate would benefit....that ok for you?...


Decent amt of girls there for 2020. 2019 looked smaller. 2020 talent wise was pretty high I thought...


Great talent at 2020 tryouts
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by strongARM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
well, figured all the chatter about TG losing players to other programs would mean that maybe Elevate would benefit....that ok for you?...


Decent amt of girls there for 2020. 2019 looked smaller. 2020 talent wise was pretty high I thought...


Great talent at 2020 tryouts


2400 buck tuition includes the honor of buying a uniform at an additional cost... freakin nuts.... Not even for their top team would this make sense. They'd have to win quite a bit more to make sense at that price.



2400 buck tuition includes the honor of buying a uniform at an additional cost... freakin nuts.... Not even for their top team would this make sense. They'd have to win quite a bit more to make sense at that price.


I thought "you play to win" not pay to win

[/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous


2400 buck tuition includes the honor of buying a uniform at an additional cost... freakin nuts.... Not even for their top team would this make sense. They'd have to win quite a bit more to make sense at that price.


I thought "you play to win" not pay to win

[/quote]

Once again false information out here. $2400 is for the recruitable year teams and includes nine recruiting tournaments and all of the recruiting services. This does not apply to the 2020 team. Just some dinner people who have nothing better to do then start a pot and put out false info. Good luck doing your 7 tournaments and playing your own teams.
Is it only for uncommitted girls on the recruitable year teams? Why would the recruited girls pay for services they do not need - including recruiting services which elevate has previously touted as free.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


2400 buck tuition includes the honor of buying a uniform at an additional cost... freakin nuts.... Not even for their top team would this make sense. They'd have to win quite a bit more to make sense at that price.


I thought "you play to win" not pay to win



Once again false information out here. $2400 is for the recruitable year teams and includes nine recruiting tournaments and all of the recruiting services. This does not apply to the 2020 team. Just some dinner people who have nothing better to do then start a pot and put out false info. Good luck doing your 7 tournaments and playing your own teams. [/quote]

I'm calling BS on this rebuttal. It is 4-5 tourneys and A LA CARTE fall tourneys. Meaning, me thinks, that you will pay for them. Listen- feel free to pay up, I just don't think it is worth nearly this much for 2020 players, 1/100th of whom might be good enough to be recruited. I know- tons of peeps like to think otherwise- but I'd love for someone to show a stat on how many players in 2020 are actually recruited.

Anyway, and I'm not being phony- good luck to everyone in their choices.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


2400 buck tuition includes the honor of buying a uniform at an additional cost... freakin nuts.... Not even for their top team would this make sense. They'd have to win quite a bit more to make sense at that price.


I thought "you play to win" not pay to win



Once again false information out here. $2400 is for the recruitable year teams and includes nine recruiting tournaments and all of the recruiting services. This does not apply to the 2020 team. Just some dinner people who have nothing better to do then start a pot and put out false info. Good luck doing your 7 tournaments and playing your own teams.


I'm calling BS on this rebuttal. It is 4-5 tourneys and A LA CARTE fall tourneys. Meaning, me thinks, that you will pay for them. Listen- feel free to pay up, I just don't think it is worth nearly this much for 2020 players, 1/100th of whom might be good enough to be recruited. I know- tons of peeps like to think otherwise- but I'd love for someone to show a stat on how many players in 2020 are actually recruited.

Anyway, and I'm not being phony- good luck to everyone in their choices. [/quote]

2020 is not recruitable!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


2400 buck tuition includes the honor of buying a uniform at an additional cost... freakin nuts.... Not even for their top team would this make sense. They'd have to win quite a bit more to make sense at that price.


I thought "you play to win" not pay to win



Once again false information out here. $2400 is for the recruitable year teams and includes nine recruiting tournaments and all of the recruiting services. This does not apply to the 2020 team. Just some dinner people who have nothing better to do then start a pot and put out false info. Good luck doing your 7 tournaments and playing your own teams.


I'm calling BS on this rebuttal. It is 4-5 tourneys and A LA CARTE fall tourneys. Meaning, me thinks, that you will pay for them. Listen- feel free to pay up, I just don't think it is worth nearly this much for 2020 players, 1/100th of whom might be good enough to be recruited. I know- tons of peeps like to think otherwise- but I'd love for someone to show a stat on how many players in 2020 are actually recruited.

Anyway, and I'm not being phony- good luck to everyone in their choices.


2020 is not recruitable!! [/quote]

What does "not recruitable" mean?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


2400 buck tuition includes the honor of buying a uniform at an additional cost... freakin nuts.... Not even for their top team would this make sense. They'd have to win quite a bit more to make sense at that price.


I thought "you play to win" not pay to win



Once again false information out here. $2400 is for the recruitable year teams and includes nine recruiting tournaments and all of the recruiting services. This does not apply to the 2020 team. Just some dinner people who have nothing better to do then start a pot and put out false info. Good luck doing your 7 tournaments and playing your own teams.


I'm calling BS on this rebuttal. It is 4-5 tourneys and A LA CARTE fall tourneys. Meaning, me thinks, that you will pay for them. Listen- feel free to pay up, I just don't think it is worth nearly this much for 2020 players, 1/100th of whom might be good enough to be recruited. I know- tons of peeps like to think otherwise- but I'd love for someone to show a stat on how many players in 2020 are actually recruited.

Anyway, and I'm not being phony- good luck to everyone in their choices.


2020 is not recruitable!!


What does "not recruitable" mean?[/quote]

From the NCAA rules:
"A prospective student-athlete is a student who has started classes for the ninth grade. In addition, a student who has not started classes for the ninth grade becomes a prospective student-athlete if the institution provides such an individual (or the individual's relatives or friends) any financial assistance or other benefits that the institution does not provide to prospective students generally."

Meaning, from my read, Yeah you could have an 8th grader recruited, but seriously- when does that happen? I gotta agree with those that think this is a lark for all but a VERY VERY few exceptions.... hence no reason for most parents to go crazy spending cheese for 8th grade players unless of course it is for the sake of gaining experience and skills. If you are 'buying' skills training with the money, probably a good idea; if you are buying recruiting services for your 2020, you might as well spend that on academic tutors and such--- better spent money.
We are pumping every nickel we have and even some we don't have to get that $7,000 offer to a $60,000 school. We are in line to pay about $40,000 thousand or more into travel lacrosse for that big athletic payout. We plan on her giving a verbal next summer as she enters 9th grade. It's not for everybody but my daughter has no say in the decision.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We are pumping every nickel we have and even some we don't have to get that $7,000 offer to a $60,000 school. We are in line to pay about $40,000 thousand or more into travel lacrosse for that big athletic payout. We plan on her giving a verbal next summer as she enters 9th grade. It's not for everybody but my daughter has no say in the decision.


Make sure you get her to major in Sanskrit too... so she can pay it all off with ease when she's a grad.
Originally Posted by strongARM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We are pumping every nickel we have and even some we don't have to get that $7,000 offer to a $60,000 school. We are in line to pay about $40,000 thousand or more into travel lacrosse for that big athletic payout. We plan on her giving a verbal next summer as she enters 9th grade. It's not for everybody but my daughter has no say in the decision.


Make sure you get her to major in Sanskrit too... so she can pay it all off with ease when she's a grad.

Yes have to love the woman's studies, african studies anthropology and communication degrees by some athletes. Those are the mail order degrees that jammed up UNC
When does TG post the rosters?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When does TG post the rosters?

Tryouts were at about the same time last year ( August) and the rosters were posted on October 16, (according to date stamp on my printout)
Of course it could be sooner or later.. maybe after YJ tryouts.
I dont think they ever posted the 2019 roster at all last year
As soon as they have enough kids to fill teams. 2 more 2020s left
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When does TG post the rosters?

Tryouts were at about the same time last year ( August) and the rosters were posted on October 16, (according to date stamp on my printout)
Of course it could be sooner or later.. maybe after YJ tryouts.
I dont think they ever posted the 2019 roster at all last year


Not that it really matters, but it was 2017 that wasn't posted last year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When does TG post the rosters?

Tryouts were at about the same time last year ( August) and the rosters were posted on October 16, (according to date stamp on my printout)
Of course it could be sooner or later.. maybe after YJ tryouts.
I dont think they ever posted the 2019 roster at all last year


Not that it really matters, but it was 2017 that wasn't posted last year.

Sorry, yes your right
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As soon as they have enough kids to fill teams. 2 more 2020s left


What's the grand total of defectors now? I know for a fact the 6 that left purple, and still tallying the black team which I think is at 5 and counting...What's funny is there are still quite a few tryouts coming up (Express, T9, YJ) and there are such high numbers of kids that have already moved on. When BS and SS said these teams were going to be exactly the same strength-wise for 2016 they weren't lying. Both B Level Teams, He is even having trouble trying to find girls to fill out both teams. All the talent have left TG, what's left are now all B Level and PAL level average players. Not one standout left on either of those teams, Let's bet quite a few more leave by by November.
always will be a club to cash your check. A, B, C, D, E or F players!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As soon as they have enough kids to fill teams. 2 more 2020s left


What's the grand total of defectors now? I know for a fact the 6 that left purple, and still tallying the black team which I think is at 5 and counting...What's funny is there are still quite a few tryouts coming up (Express, T9, YJ) and there are such high numbers of kids that have already moved on. When BS and SS said these teams were going to be exactly the same strength-wise for 2016 they weren't lying. Both B Level Teams, He is even having trouble trying to find girls to fill out both teams. All the talent have left TG, what's left are now all B Level and PAL level average players. Not one standout left on either of those teams, Let's bet quite a few more leave by by November.


If this is the case, so be it. This might be just what the TG needs to have happen to make the necessary changes in the club.
#1 on the list for me would be better, more consistent, full time coaching. (Although many clubs suffer from a lack of this)
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As soon as they have enough kids to fill teams. 2 more 2020s left


What's the grand total of defectors now? I know for a fact the 6 that left purple, and still tallying the black team which I think is at 5 and counting...What's funny is there are still quite a few tryouts coming up (Express, T9, YJ) and there are such high numbers of kids that have already moved on. When BS and SS said these teams were going to be exactly the same strength-wise for 2016 they weren't lying. Both B Level Teams, He is even having trouble trying to find girls to fill out both teams. All the talent have left TG, what's left are now all B Level and PAL level average players. Not one standout left on either of those teams, Let's bet quite a few more leave by by November.


Oh for the love of God will you please SHUT UP and worry about your own team!!!

What's the grand total of defectors now? I know for a fact the 6 that left purple, and still tallying the black team which I think is at 5 and counting...What's funny is there are still quite a few tryouts coming up (Express, T9, YJ) and there are such high numbers of kids that have already moved on. When BS and SS said these teams were going to be exactly the same strength-wise for 2016 they weren't lying. Both B Level Teams, He is even having trouble trying to find girls to fill out both teams. All the talent have left TG, what's left are now all B Level and PAL level average players. Not one standout left on either of those teams, Let's bet quite a few more leave by by November. [/quote]

Oh for the love of God will you please SHUT UP and worry about your own team!!! [/quote]

Thank you. Last year the gossip was that TG was losing girls to Elevate . . . Didn't happen! This year the gossip was that TG was losing girls to Legacy . . . Not happening! If that was true, like many posted, why is Legacy having additional tryouts? Please don't tell me to fill out the B and C teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]As soon as they have enough kids to fill teams. 2 more 2020s left


What's the grand total of defectors now? I know for a fact the 6 that left purple, and still tallying the black team which I think is at 5 and counting...What's funny is there are still quite a few tryouts coming up (Express, T9, YJ) and there are such high numbers of kids that have already moved on. When BS and SS said these teams were going to be exactly the same strength-wise for 2016 they weren't lying. Both B Level Teams, He is even having trouble trying to find girls to fill out both teams. All the talent have left TG, what's left are now all B Level and PAL level average players. Not one standout left on either of those teams, Let's bet quite a few more leave by by November.


Oh for the love of God will you please SHUT UP and worry about your own team!!! [/quote

Yes because that's exactly what you TG parents did when you actually had a descent team even going so far as to name your pitiful daddy TG team based upon your hatred of YJ. Reality is it sucks for YJ now that TG has been decimated but I bet Legacy will give YJ a run for their money , seems YJ top team now has many of the top players in the age group so the bottom half is now filled with the pay to play kids who line the coaches pocket ,problem is those kids will cost that team and organization more issues than they think.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the grand total of defectors now? I know for a fact the 6 that left purple, and still tallying the black team which I think is at 5 and counting...What's funny is there are still quite a few tryouts coming up (Express, T9, YJ) and there are such high numbers of kids that have already moved on. When BS and SS said these teams were going to be exactly the same strength-wise for 2016 they weren't lying. Both B Level Teams, He is even having trouble trying to find girls to fill out both teams. All the talent have left TG, what's left are now all B Level and PAL level average players. Not one standout left on either of those teams, Let's bet quite a few more leave by by November.


Oh for the love of God will you please SHUT UP and worry about your own team!!! [/quote]

Thank you. Last year the gossip was that TG was losing girls to Elevate . . . Didn't happen! This year the gossip was that TG was losing girls to Legacy . . . Not happening! If that was true, like many posted, why is Legacy having additional tryouts? Please don't tell me to fill out the B and C teams.
[/quote]

Last year the gossip was they were losing girls to YJ, which is exactly what happened as they lost many very top girls at 2019, 2020 and 2021. Leaving for Legacy, Elevate doesn't really better the situation if leaving black.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the grand total of defectors now? I know for a fact the 6 that left purple, and still tallying the black team which I think is at 5 and counting...What's funny is there are still quite a few tryouts coming up (Express, T9, YJ) and there are such high numbers of kids that have already moved on. When BS and SS said these teams were going to be exactly the same strength-wise for 2016 they weren't lying. Both B Level Teams, He is even having trouble trying to find girls to fill out both teams. All the talent have left TG, what's left are now all B Level and PAL level average players. Not one standout left on either of those teams, Let's bet quite a few more leave by by November.


Oh for the love of God will you please SHUT UP and worry about your own team!!! [/quote]

Thank you. Last year the gossip was that TG was losing girls to Elevate . . . Didn't happen! This year the gossip was that TG was losing girls to Legacy . . . Not happening! If that was true, like many posted, why is Legacy having additional tryouts? Please don't tell me to fill out the B and C teams.
[/quote]

You have got to be an idiot. Legacy girls tryouts are over and both teams are filled, The boys are having additional tryouts to fill open slots, I don't think you really are on TG as you would see that the the majority of girls have left and legacy has a bunch of them, Liberty has some and elevate and we haven't even gotten to YJ yet. TG has lost a lot of girls to Legacy. Try to stay awake up there on Mars, cause you're definitely lost and have no idea what's going on.
I understand leaving for YJ if you want to upgrade. Not other organizations, especially Elevate where you will pay more.

The tryouts at Legacy are for boys. Not sure about girls yet.
TG have lost alot of players in this age group. Once believed to be the best 2020 team and now trying to rebuild as teams have surpassed them.
They aren't holding additional tryouts for the girls you moron. That's for the boys side. Check you facts before you out you foot in your mouth next time.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG have lost alot of players in this age group. Once believed to be the best 2020 team and now trying to rebuild as teams have surpassed them.


they will have their hands full with YJ second team and if they're lucky they won't have to embarrass themselves against curcio this summer
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG have lost alot of players in this age group. Once believed to be the best 2020 team and now trying to rebuild as teams have surpassed them.


they will have their hands full with YJ second team and if they're lucky they won't have to embarrass themselves against curcio this summer


Nobody cares except a bunch of self centered parents that you would never want covering your back. You are the people that are ruining this team sport by making it a me first game. Reread all the comments here and see if you get it after the 2nd read. Our sport was so much better without all of you and this team jumping and recruiting nonsense.
Because I'm an idea man: how about we sponsor a charity night: YJ rents vs TG rents.... No holds barred- The My Daughter's Team is Better Than Your Daughter's Team Free For All. I'll sponsor it and supply mop handles so long as I can reserve 4 seats ringside.

Loser will fight the winners of the Legacy/Elevate under card.
Originally Posted by strongARM
Because I'm an idea man: how about we sponsor a charity night: YJ rents vs TG rents.... No holds barred- The My Daughter's Team is Better Than Your Daughter's Team Free For All. I'll sponsor it and supply mop handles so long as I can reserve 4 seats ringside.

Loser will fight the winners of the Legacy/Elevate under card.


Will that be a Pay Per View event? Are the B team girls allowed to participate?
my money is on the parents from South Shore..more pinky rings, phony gold chains and Ginny tee's ....have an old Z28 take the brawlers in...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]TG have lost alot of players in this age group. Once believed to be the best 2020 team and now trying to rebuild as teams have surpassed them.


they will have their hands full with YJ second team and if they're lucky they won't have to embarrass themselves against curcio this summer


Nobody cares except a bunch of self centered parents that you would never want covering your back. You are the people that are ruining this team sport by making it a me first game. Reread all the comments here and see if you get it after the 2nd read. Our sport was so much better without all of you and this team jumping and recruiting nonsense

Without all the recruiting nonsense I wonder who would be paying all this money to travel clubs and private training sessions.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by strongARM
Because I'm an idea man: how about we sponsor a charity night: YJ rents vs TG rents.... No holds barred- The My Daughter's Team is Better Than Your Daughter's Team Free For All. I'll sponsor it and supply mop handles so long as I can reserve 4 seats ringside.

Loser will fight the winners of the Legacy/Elevate under card.


Will that be a Pay Per View event? Are the B team girls allowed to participate?


B team participates but the PPV money goes to the A team, or the boys teams.
Originally Posted by anonomous
my money is on the parents from South Shore..more pinky rings, phony gold chains and Ginny tee's ....have an old Z28 take the brawlers in...


North Shore dads will get worked. They won't want to mess up their weekend polo, khaki, loafer, and all-important Friar's Head belt ensembles. That coupled with the fact they've never mixed it up in real life. Also the South Shore will be smart enough to bring backups... people who have no dog in the fight save for the fun of the fight itself.
free tattoos for winning parents on south shore...vineyard vines polo's on north shore side winners...
[quote=Anonymous] "you out you foot in your mouth next time."

Is this English? Legacy has 1 team at 2023, 2022, and 2021. They should have more tryouts. 2020 only level with 2 teams. Where is the mass defection to Legacy? Some have left for 2020, but nowhere near a mass defection program wide that some stated earlier, including posts that said 60 girls trying out at other age levels.
will be fun season all around for the 2020 group....TG, Legacy, Elevate--although Elevate still the only team to put out a full on money grab 3rd team (white)--(all others cap at 2 teams per age) seem to all have improved...much migration of decent players...Express, 91, Wave,etc. all trailing...change is good I suppose

Do the math, your return on this wild travel ride is a big loss. Get your kid a tutor, go to a great school and play club lacrosse LOL It's the truth we have been through it before. Everyone is playing for bragging rights but the truth is nobody care but you and everyone we share a sideline with is petty and jealous and wishing bad things upon everyone but their kid!
How did TG lose the best player in the age group and improve?
thinking they added a few talented kids who combined will make up for that one loss?...just a guess, but I don't hold myself out to be an expert on TG, so...
Originally Posted by anonomous
will be fun season all around for the 2020 group....TG, Legacy, Elevate--although Elevate still the only team to put out a full on money grab 3rd team (white)--(all others cap at 2 teams per age) seem to all have improved...much migration of decent players...Express, 91, Wave,etc. all trailing...change is good I suppose


Why is it that YJ can have 5 teams in this age group yet parents will turn other clubs 2nd teams?

Why is it that YJ can have 5 teams in this age group yet parents will turn other clubs 2nd teams? [/quote]

I guess because they look at yellow jackets as the only A team on Long Island. The rest are B+, B, and C teams. Maybe they have friends on the team. Maybe they feel they will move up if their daughter improves, which does happen more than you think. A lot can happen between 7th and 10th grade physically. That's why the whole jump from team to team is not worth it unless your daughter was slighted or had a bad experience.
all good though...what a great forum for folks to weigh in, bash, spout, pontificate, blabber...and the good natured joking is good for laughs..but everyone shares a love of lax so its good all around...
Originally Posted by anonomous
will be fun season all around for the 2020 group....TG, Legacy, Elevate--although Elevate still the only team to put out a full on money grab 3rd team (white)--(all others cap at 2 teams per age) seem to all have improved...much migration of decent players...Express, 91, Wave,etc. all trailing...change is good I suppose


We have lost way more friends than we have gained navigating this travel Bermuda triangle. Good Luck to all
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonomous
will be fun season all around for the 2020 group....TG, Legacy, Elevate--although Elevate still the only team to put out a full on money grab 3rd team (white)--(all others cap at 2 teams per age) seem to all have improved...much migration of decent players...Express, 91, Wave,etc. all trailing...change is good I suppose


We have lost way more friends than we have gained navigating this travel Bermuda triangle. Good Luck to all


My personal life is at like a 2, and my professional life is like a noine, but my travel life is at like a 1.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is it that YJ can have 5 teams in this age group yet parents will turn other clubs 2nd teams?


I guess because they look at yellow jackets as the only A team on Long Island. The rest are B+, B, and C teams. Maybe they have friends on the team. Maybe they feel they will move up if their daughter improves, which does happen more than you think. A lot can happen between 7th and 10th grade physically. That's why the whole jump from team to team is not worth it unless your daughter was slighted or had a bad experience. [/quote]

At this age YJ has the best players ,not even comparable so they can now load the back half with, siblings who don't belong,friends and family who don't belong, and worst yet the private lesson group who line the coaches pocket at the 19-20 age so are put on the top team when everyone knows they do not belong,its the main reason Legacy got to be descent so fast the kids that were on the 2nd yj team saw the bs of the pay to play kids and left good for them. Legacy only mistake was not making a 19 team as both TG and YJ are an absolute mess at those ages.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonomous
will be fun season all around for the 2020 group....TG, Legacy, Elevate--although Elevate still the only team to put out a full on money grab 3rd team (white)--(all others cap at 2 teams per age) seem to all have improved...much migration of decent players...Express, 91, Wave,etc. all trailing...change is good I suppose


We have lost way more friends than we have gained navigating this travel Bermuda triangle. Good Luck to all



My personal life is at like a 2, and my professional life is like a noine, but my travel life is at like a 1.


BabaBooey!
Does YJ or legacy have the combined teams for 2019 and 2020? is that a good thing if your kid is looking to play for 2019 as a 2020?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does YJ or legacy have the combined teams for 2019 and 2020? is that a good thing if your kid is looking to play for 2019 as a 2020?


At YJ, it all depends on the numbers - they will make as many teams and as many different combinations as they need to place all of the girls who tryout on a team. Had 21's on 20 teams last year, not sure about the others. As far as whether it is good to "play up" on a combined team, I'd say no. In your example, the 19's are the bottom of the barrel who couldn't make one of the other 19 teams, so you as a 20 are playing in 19 brackets with a weak team - either getting beat up by good teams or playing in low level tournaments to be able to compete. Better to play on a straight 20 team (in my opinion).

At this age YJ has the best players ,not even comparable so they can now load the back half with, siblings who don't belong,friends and family who don't belong, and worst yet the private lesson group who line the coaches pocket at the 19-20 age so are put on the top team when everyone knows they do not belong,its the main reason Legacy got to be descent so fast the kids that were on the 2nd yj team saw the bs of the pay to play kids and left good for them. Legacy only mistake was not making a 19 team as both TG and YJ are an absolute mess at those ages. [/quote]

2020 TG Black has been an outstanding team for years. That team made playoff brackets in every tournament. They only lost a handful of games the past two hears. Can someone truthfully tell me how many girls in fact left that team? And why they left? If a team is good, and winning tournaments, why did they leave?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did TG lose the best player in the age group and improve?


They didn't! Best kid at this age group already plays for YJ!
Now she does
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did TG lose the best player in the age group and improve?


They didn't! Best kid at this age group already plays for YJ!


Wait for it--- and it is THIS bonehead's kid.
She's the best. Trust him.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did TG lose the best player in the age group and improve?


They didn't! Best kid at this age group already plays for YJ!


Wait for it--- and it is THIS bonehead's kid.
She's the best. Trust him.


I assume you are referring to the girl from Westhampton that left last year. The TG girl from Massapequa left after this season. Both now on YJ. That team is stacked
$75 - $100 per hour for a private from a college girl on a cell phone in the famous flip flops. And the same girls will be taking their roadshow indoors for their fall clinics any day now. Has been and remains a JOKE!!! No other way to look at it other than you are paying to play or paying to stay.

I have never seen anything like it. The customer pays big , big money and then needs to kiss the asses of the people they are paying!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
$75 - $100 per hour for a private from a college girl on a cell phone in the famous flip flops. And the same girls will be taking their roadshow indoors for their fall clinics any day now. Has been and remains a JOKE!!! No other way to look at it other than you are paying to play or paying to stay.

I have never seen anything like it. The customer pays big , big money and then needs to kiss the asses of the people they are paying!


Which team are you referring to?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did TG lose the best player in the age group and improve?


They didn't! Best kid at this age group already plays for YJ!


wishful thinking mom and dad, there's a new top dog in town, everyone just moved down a peg on the yj depth chart
Know the girls in the age group very well. Both the girls you are talking about are excellent players . That being said there are several kids on that YJ team who are close to being as good and manage to make the players around them better . One of those kids you are talking about will share the ball in mostly non competive games and force the ball in competitive games turning it over , the other has virtually no ability to share the ball but can and will score in all games. Maybe the kids on YJ have all moved down a notch on the depth chart but TG as a team has just moved to a b level , possibly a c level .
YJ's don't share the ball that's why everyone needs to bring theiir own to tryouts!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Know the girls in the age group very well. Both the girls you are talking about are excellent players . That being said there are several kids on that YJ team who are close to being as good and manage to make the players around them better . One of those kids you are talking about will share the ball in mostly non competive games and force the ball in competitive games turning it over , the other has virtually no ability to share the ball but can and will score in all games. Maybe the kids on YJ have all moved down a notch on the depth chart but TG as a team has just moved to a b level , possibly a c level .


How could this player be on YJ already if no tryouts have taken place yet?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Know the girls in the age group very well. Both the girls you are talking about are excellent players . That being said there are several kids on that YJ team who are close to being as good and manage to make the players around them better . One of those kids you are talking about will share the ball in mostly non competive games and force the ball in competitive games turning it over , the other has virtually no ability to share the ball but can and will score in all games. Maybe the kids on YJ have all moved down a notch on the depth chart but TG as a team has just moved to a b level , possibly a c level .


How could this player be on YJ already if no tryouts have taken place yet?


Its called poaching and no club does it better. They get stronger and the competition gets weaker and with everyone one of these shady deals they screw one of their own already on the top team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Know the girls in the age group very well. Both the girls you are talking about are excellent players . That being said there are several kids on that YJ team who are close to being as good and manage to make the players around them better . One of those kids you are talking about will share the ball in mostly non competive games and force the ball in competitive games turning it over , the other has virtually no ability to share the ball but can and will score in all games. Maybe the kids on YJ have all moved down a notch on the depth chart but TG as a team has just moved to a b level , possibly a c level .


How could this player be on YJ already if no tryouts have taken place yet?

LOL shes on the fall rosters already also
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Know the girls in the age group very well. Both the girls you are talking about are excellent players . That being said there are several kids on that YJ team who are close to being as good and manage to make the players around them better . One of those kids you are talking about will share the ball in mostly non competive games and force the ball in competitive games turning it over , the other has virtually no ability to share the ball but can and will score in all games. Maybe the kids on YJ have all moved down a notch on the depth chart but TG as a team has just moved to a b level , possibly a c level .


How could this player be on YJ already if no tryouts have taken place yet?


Its called poaching and no club does it better. They get stronger and the competition gets weaker and with everyone one of these shady deals they screw one of their own already on the top team.


I wouldn't want to be the girl who stopped doing the clinics, luau and privates! The new girls are going to the top team question is which existing YJ girl gets screwed and is dropped down?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Know the girls in the age group very well. Both the girls you are talking about are excellent players . That being said there are several kids on that YJ team who are close to being as good and manage to make the players around them better . One of those kids you are talking about will share the ball in mostly non competive games and force the ball in competitive games turning it over , the other has virtually no ability to share the ball but can and will score in all games. Maybe the kids on YJ have all moved down a notch on the depth chart but TG as a team has just moved to a b level , possibly a c level .


How could this player be on YJ already if no tryouts have taken place yet?


Its called poaching and no club does it better. They get stronger and the competition gets weaker and with everyone one of these shady deals they screw one of their own already on the top team.


I wouldn't want to be the girl who stopped doing the clinics, luau and privates! The new girls are going to the top team question is which existing YJ girl gets screwed and is dropped down?


Get used to it, this is the way the world works. Every top girl that has moved to the YJ blue teams are known, no try outs are needed. The tryouts are for borderline kids and the girls being "screwed out of a position" are known to the coaches going into the tryouts. The top teams welcome the top kids coming in, from players to parents to director. Same thing happened all last year, people on these threads trying to make trouble for these young girls as they move on. Believe me, these players are welcomed and embraced.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Know the girls in the age group very well. Both the girls you are talking about are excellent players . That being said there are several kids on that YJ team who are close to being as good and manage to make the players around them better . One of those kids you are talking about will share the ball in mostly non competive games and force the ball in competitive games turning it over , the other has virtually no ability to share the ball but can and will score in all games. Maybe the kids on YJ have all moved down a notch on the depth chart but TG as a team has just moved to a b level , possibly a c level .


How could this player be on YJ already if no tryouts have taken place yet?


Its called poaching and no club does it better. They get stronger and the competition gets weaker and with everyone one of these shady deals they screw one of their own already on the top team.


I wouldn't want to be the girl who stopped doing the clinics, luau and privates! The new girls are going to the top team question is which existing YJ girl gets screwed and is dropped down?


Get used to it, this is the way the world works. Every top girl that has moved to the YJ blue teams are known, no try outs are needed. The tryouts are for borderline kids and the girls being "screwed out of a position" are known to the coaches going into the tryouts. The top teams welcome the top kids coming in, from players to parents to director. Same thing happened all last year, people on these threads trying to make trouble for these young girls as they move on. Believe me, these players are welcomed and embraced.


LOL get off the kool aid and out of the cult! Embraced? really? Top girls are there for one reason to get recruited and to do that they are there for themselves. That's why they hog the ball and anytime a new stud joins the team it means its harder for their daughters to get minutes and points. And tell me if girls at the bottom of the roster getting moved down "embrace" these girls who are placed on the teams with no tryouts? You must be a YJ director to spew this crap.

Reading all the bs from stage dbags on here, I am nothing but thankful to have a daughter who's a solid B team member and I don't have to be on the sidelines with you pathetic souls.

Dbags: During each game I have to imagine you are standing next to someone who wants to pound your faces in as I'm sure you are spewing like mad during every game and living every minute of that teenaged girl's game. I'm hoping to see one of you worked over next summer just for kicks by a dad that's simply there to support his daughter who's having fun playing a great game rather than spitting fire about it.

You goofs are destroying the sport and need some chin checks... on the double.



when you hear that girls who try out for YJ wear separate pinnies, that says it all.....and don't think for a minute that if every other travel program had a chance to copy the YJ model and have as many wanna bees trying out for all of their teams, they wouldn't jump at the chance....
those dbags are tougher and tougher to avoid unfortunately....so many folks have drank the scholarship Kool-Aid...need to listen to a college coach tell people just how much $$ they have to distribute 30 ways...if you took all those years of spending 2k, it still wouldn't add up to a lucky girls financial assistance if they are lucky enough to get a "scholarship"..."yeah, Mary just committed to so&so state"...top lax school..they don't tell you that she got fraction of tuition...
Originally Posted by anonomous
those dbags are tougher and tougher to avoid unfortunately....so many folks have drank the scholarship Kool-Aid...need to listen to a college coach tell people just how much $$ they have to distribute 30 ways...if you took all those years of spending 2k, it still wouldn't add up to a lucky girls financial assistance if they are lucky enough to get a "scholarship"..."yeah, Mary just committed to so&so state"...top lax school..they don't tell you that she got fraction of tuition...


Thing of it is- sad to say, I don't even really think it is the free ride fantasyland of which these fools dream... it is their pride, their vanity on the line.

Re the tuition farce: The free ride talk is such a bunch of bs- talk to anyone that is NOT drinking the koolaid, moreover, not pouring the koolaid, and you'll see the reality of these things. The money isn't there.... but these guys are going to keep jawing on here and on the sidelines... Pathetic souls. Laughable if they weren't so annoying on the sidelines.

Originally Posted by strongARM
Originally Posted by anonomous
those dbags are tougher and tougher to avoid unfortunately....so many folks have drank the scholarship Kool-Aid...need to listen to a college coach tell people just how much $$ they have to distribute 30 ways...if you took all those years of spending 2k, it still wouldn't add up to a lucky girls financial assistance if they are lucky enough to get a "scholarship"..."yeah, Mary just committed to so&so state"...top lax school..they don't tell you that she got fraction of tuition...


Thing of it is- sad to say, I don't even really think it is the free ride fantasyland of which these fools dream... it is their pride, their vanity on the line.

Re the tuition farce: The free ride talk is such a bunch of bs- talk to anyone that is NOT drinking the koolaid, moreover, not pouring the koolaid, and you'll see the reality of these things. The money isn't there.... but these guys are going to keep jawing on here and on the sidelines... Pathetic souls. Laughable if they weren't so annoying on the sidelines.


If you're looking for $ to help with college tell your daughters to STUDY and keep their grades up. Academic money combined with some lacrosse money is better than just a little lax money on its own.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Know the girls in the age group very well. Both the girls you are talking about are excellent players . That being said there are several kids on that YJ team who are close to being as good and manage to make the players around them better . One of those kids you are talking about will share the ball in mostly non competive games and force the ball in competitive games turning it over , the other has virtually no ability to share the ball but can and will score in all games. Maybe the kids on YJ have all moved down a notch on the depth chart but TG as a team has just moved to a b level , possibly a c level .


You should stop worrying about other clubs! Yes, undoubtedly YJ is the strongest team in this age group, anyone who says differently is smoking something! However, there are plenty of really good players on other teams! Not everyone on LI needs for their kid to be on the uber 2020 team of the universe!! Really good kids stay away from YJ for many reasons!! They might have the best team but there is still only 1 ball to go around - should be fun watching them battle it out for supreme top spot!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Know the girls in the age group very well. Both the girls you are talking about are excellent players . That being said there are several kids on that YJ team who are close to being as good and manage to make the players around them better . One of those kids you are talking about will share the ball in mostly non competive games and force the ball in competitive games turning it over , the other has virtually no ability to share the ball but can and will score in all games. Maybe the kids on YJ have all moved down a notch on the depth chart but TG as a team has just moved to a b level , possibly a c level .


You should stop worrying about other clubs! Yes, undoubtedly YJ is the strongest team in this age group, anyone who says differently is smoking something! However, there are plenty of really good players on other teams! Not everyone on LI needs for their kid to be on the uber 2020 team of the universe!! Really good kids stay away from YJ for many reasons!! They might have the best team but there is still only 1 ball to go around - should be fun watching them battle it out for supreme top spot!


Goes back to big fish with big minutes in a small pond or small fish getting small minutes in a big pond. If your only goal in life is to get recruited, you need to be on the field at critical times. Coaches don't get a warm and fuzzy watching your daughter stand next to the coach on the sideline waiting and hoping to go in.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Reading all the bs from stage dbags on here, I am nothing but thankful to have a daughter who's a solid B team member and I don't have to be on the sidelines with you pathetic souls.

Dbags: During each game I have to imagine you are standing next to someone who wants to pound your faces in as I'm sure you are spewing like mad during every game and living every minute of that teenaged girl's game. I'm hoping to see one of you worked over next summer just for kicks by a dad that's simply there to support his daughter who's having fun playing a great game rather than spitting fire about it.

You goofs are destroying the sport and need some chin checks... on the double.





Self centered players and parents only playing the game for their own scholarship is what is ruining the game. Been to a game lately where players have been in exactly the right spot at exactly the right time and the ball never comes??? 2015 Lax is an expensive, individual game and that is why enrollment numbers are flat to down at schools and towns that have been playing for a while. YES new schools and colleges are coming on board but look at your towns youth program is it stronger or weaker than 5 years ago? Most are down.
Reading all the bs from stage dbags on here, I am nothing but thankful to have a daughter who's a solid B team member and I don't have to be on the sidelines with you pathetic souls.

Dbags: During each game I have to imagine you are standing next to someone who wants to pound your faces in as I'm sure you are spewing like mad during every game and living every minute of that teenaged girl's game. I'm hoping to see one of you worked over next summer just for kicks by a dad that's simply there to support his daughter who's having fun playing a great game rather than spitting fire about it.

You goofs are destroying the sport and need some chin checks... on the double.

AMEN! Could not have said it better! I will just add that these pathetic parents are usually red cupping it at the games as well, which simply amplifies the stupidity they spit out on the sidelines. Sometimes it's amusing to watch them but most times it's just annoying.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Know the girls in the age group very well. Both the girls you are talking about are excellent players . That being said there are several kids on that YJ team who are close to being as good and manage to make the players around them better . One of those kids you are talking about will share the ball in mostly non competive games and force the ball in competitive games turning it over , the other has virtually no ability to share the ball but can and will score in all games. Maybe the kids on YJ have all moved down a notch on the depth chart but TG as a team has just moved to a b level , possibly a c level .


How could this player be on YJ already if no tryouts have taken place yet?


Its called poaching and no club does it better. They get stronger and the competition gets weaker and with everyone one of these shady deals they screw one of their own already on the top team.


It's going to be more than one, rumour is rosters are being trimmed down to 22 from 26, so looks like there might be 4 kids moved down
If they go 22 kids on a team maybe they will have 7 teams!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Know the girls in the age group very well. Both the girls you are talking about are excellent players . That being said there are several kids on that YJ team who are close to being as good and manage to make the players around them better . One of those kids you are talking about will share the ball in mostly non competive games and force the ball in competitive games turning it over , the other has virtually no ability to share the ball but can and will score in all games. Maybe the kids on YJ have all moved down a notch on the depth chart but TG as a team has just moved to a b level , possibly a c level .


You should stop worrying about other clubs! Yes, undoubtedly YJ is the strongest team in this age group, anyone who says differently is smoking something! However, there are plenty of really good players on other teams! Not everyone on LI needs for their kid to be on the uber 2020 team of the universe!! Really good kids stay away from YJ for many reasons!! They might have the best team but there is still only 1 ball to go around - should be fun watching them battle it out for supreme top spot!


Goes back to big fish with big minutes in a small pond or small fish getting small minutes in a big pond. If your only goal in life is to get recruited, you need to be on the field at critical times. Coaches don't get a warm and fuzzy watching your daughter stand next to the coach on the sideline waiting and hoping to go in.


That is an excellent point!
Crazy , first 2020 kid to committ .
Goes to Maryland . Couple points .
Why would this kid now go to YJ , especially when the kids and parents do not seem overly enthusiastic about it.
It seems a smart move by both , I believe the kid only wanted to go there, the kid is the best player in the age.
I do not think Maryland realizes it very well may impact other recruits in the 2019 and 2020 age group going there .Matter of fact there will be many kids who now take Maryland off their list .
Stop stalking a 13 year olds Instagram
WOW..amazing
Do you really think she is the only 2020 committed?
Wow...committed to college AND high school---in same week!..i am going to berate my 2020 daughter now...after she comes back from Friendly's, that is.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crazy , first 2020 kid to committ .
Goes to Maryland . Couple points .
Why would this kid now go to YJ , especially when the kids and parents do not seem overly enthusiastic about it.
It seems a smart move by both , I believe the kid only wanted to go there, the kid is the best player in the age.
I do not think Maryland realizes it very well may impact other recruits in the 2019 and 2020 age group going there .Matter of fact there will be many kids who now take Maryland off their list .


Seriously? Many girls will take MD off their list because one 8th grader says she wants to go there in 4+ years? I have no idea who you're talking about but if she's really the best (and still the best in 5 years) maybe girls will want to play with her, giving them a better chance to win. But what if she's not the best by then, or changes her mind and doesn't go there, or doesn't get accepted, or changes sports, or doesn't play any sport, or has a major injury and can't play, etc, etc. Let's not get too excited about what a 13 year old says she wants to do in the fall of 2020. Mine doesn't know what she wants to do next week.
Does anyone know if fl$ works with colleges for commits? I don't see much on website. Anyone who's daughter plays for fl$ any feedback? Thx.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know if fl$ works with colleges for commits? I don't see much on website. Anyone who's daughter plays for fl$ any feedback? Thx.


fl$ is a boys program. They have had trouble getting girls to tryout for the past two years at least. My daughter did a clinic two years ago. Apparently they still had our phone number and called letting us know about tryouts. They were also more expensive than most for not so competitive team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stop stalking a 13 year olds Instagram

Actually told by a friend about her commitment but seems you are the one stalking her Instagram .No I have not heard of any other 2020 commits . Yes it will take Maryland off the list for some kids(many probably not) . Reasons it will take MD of the list for some are about egos in some cases and perceived reputation in others. Believe it or not I have seen kids in the past so no thanks to some excellent schools because of who those schools have recruited, actually happens all the time .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crazy , first 2020 kid to committ .
Goes to Maryland . Couple points .
Why would this kid now go to YJ , especially when the kids and parents do not seem overly enthusiastic about it.
It seems a smart move by both , I believe the kid only wanted to go there, the kid is the best player in the age.
I do not think Maryland realizes it very well may impact other recruits in the 2019 and 2020 age group going there .Matter of fact there will be many kids who now take Maryland off their list .


Why shouldn't she go to YJs? Still has many years left to play, if they are not happy with the team/club, why on earth would they stay? The same move seems to have worked out very well for all the other top girls that left.
Originally Posted by anonomous
will be fun season all around for the 2020 group....TG, Legacy, Elevate--although Elevate still the only team to put out a full on money grab 3rd team (white)--(all others cap at 2 teams per age) seem to all have improved...much migration of decent players...Express, 91, Wave,etc. all trailing...change is good I suppose


So, we left another club and joined Elevate this fall. We joined the 2020 red team. I had a frank discussion with the director and was told that ALL teams practice the same amount, have the same number of tournaments, blah blah blah. This week at soccer I found out that the 202 Blue team already had a practice - 2020 red did not. I guess my question is, is this how Elevate works and did I fall for the usual BS, just want to know before its too late, still have some other options.
it would see that ANY travel program will tell you what you want to hear..so in that regard, Elevate is no different from any other travel program. generally, the age groups all practice at the same time, but I am sure depending on the individual coaches time schedule, certain teams get more time. Oh, and I am sure it doesn't hurt when the 2020 BLUE team is coached by directors daughter..hmmm...What distinguishes Elevate from others, is that the director has a criminal background when it comes to money that people need to pay attention to...thus the need to get the checks rolling in...from what I understand and hear, the WHITE teams at Elevate are a complete and utter waste of time that were only started last year to pad the bank account. probably not all that much different than YJ when it comes to adding teams..which is ok with most folks who just want a place to play and have no college aspirations...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonomous
will be fun season all around for the 2020 group....TG, Legacy, Elevate--although Elevate still the only team to put out a full on money grab 3rd team (white)--(all others cap at 2 teams per age) seem to all have improved...much migration of decent players...Express, 91, Wave,etc. all trailing...change is good I suppose


So, we left another club and joined Elevate this fall. We joined the 2020 red team. I had a frank discussion with the director and was told that ALL teams practice the same amount, have the same number of tournaments, blah blah blah. This week at soccer I found out that the 202 Blue team already had a practice - 2020 red did not. I guess my question is, is this how Elevate works and did I fall for the usual BS, just want to know before its too late, still have some other options.


You are already falling for the elevate BS when you buy into the idea that 2020's are recruitable. Also, regardless of the team, thinking that that a B team will get the same everything as an A team is a fools bet.

No offense-- that said, elevate red is an ok team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crazy , first 2020 kid to committ .
Goes to Maryland . Couple points .
Why would this kid now go to YJ , especially when the kids and parents do not seem overly enthusiastic about it.
It seems a smart move by both , I believe the kid only wanted to go there, the kid is the best player in the age.
I do not think Maryland realizes it very well may impact other recruits in the 2019 and 2020 age group going there .Matter of fact there will be many kids who now take Maryland off their list .


Why shouldn't she go to YJs? Still has many years left to play, if they are not happy with the team/club, why on earth would they stay? The same move seems to have worked out very well for all the other top girls that left.


Was told primary reason she was leaving is for recruiting purposes( not sure that is the case).If you are really the best player in the age group why go to a team that is generally recognized as being the best team already , seems to be the if you cant beat them join them mentality. Seems the TG team and parents had accepted the everything runs thru her in order to win games , the YJ crew will not accept that at all.The grass is always greener until you get over there.
I am sure the rumors are true and a 2020 has verbaled. The directors and the crazy parents living through their kids (13 year old kids at that) all want to be first.

No different then some 8th grade parents raising holy [lacrosse] in our town because 8th graders can't play varsity only JV. By only playing JV they are falling behind in resume building against their club teammates who have played varsity since 7th or 8th.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonomous
will be fun season all around for the 2020 group....TG, Legacy, Elevate--although Elevate still the only team to put out a full on money grab 3rd team (white)--(all others cap at 2 teams per age) seem to all have improved...much migration of decent players...Express, 91, Wave,etc. all trailing...change is good I suppose


So, we left another club and joined Elevate this fall. We joined the 2020 red team. I had a frank discussion with the director and was told that ALL teams practice the same amount, have the same number of tournaments, blah blah blah. This week at soccer I found out that the 202 Blue team already had a practice - 2020 red did not. I guess my question is, is this how Elevate works and did I fall for the usual BS, just want to know before its too late, still have some other options.


Everyone does practice at the same time. I'm guessing 2020 Blue coach had practice at a different time because she coaches high school field hockey and had to make it work with her schedule? Just assuming because I have been with Elevate for a few years and we have no had issues with this. Fall is usually based on the coach's availability, but teams practice the same amount for the most part and then summer everyone is the same.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonomous
will be fun season all around for the 2020 group....TG, Legacy, Elevate--although Elevate still the only team to put out a full on money grab 3rd team (white)--(all others cap at 2 teams per age) seem to all have improved...much migration of decent players...Express, 91, Wave,etc. all trailing...change is good I suppose


So, we left another club and joined Elevate this fall. We joined the 2020 red team. I had a frank discussion with the director and was told that ALL teams practice the same amount, have the same number of tournaments, blah blah blah. This week at soccer I found out that the 202 Blue team already had a practice - 2020 red did not. I guess my question is, is this how Elevate works and did I fall for the usual BS, just want to know before its too late, still have some other options.


Just because one team started before the other doesn't mean the number of practices won't even out over time. Unless he told you the teams practice together I think it's too early to draw conclusions.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems the TG team and parents had accepted the everything runs thru her in order to win games , the YJ crew will not accept that at all.The grass is always greener until you get over there.

wins are nice but don't kid yourself, no one enjoys watching one girl try to do everything while open girls are standing around, least of all the other girls. Best of luck to her, she's an amazing player, that's not to say she's an amazing team player, there's a lot to be desired there, and who knows she may develop into an amazing team player yet.. More opportunity for other girls to learn more and improve, that's what the parents SHOULD really want. in 10 years when our daughters are done with college who the [lacrosse] cares about wins and losses in middle school and high school? Move on, believe me the remaining girls have already done that.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems the TG team and parents had accepted the everything runs thru her in order to win games , the YJ crew will not accept that at all.The grass is always greener until you get over there.

wins are nice but don't kid yourself, no one enjoys watching one girl try to do everything while open girls are standing around, least of all the other girls. Best of luck to her, she's an amazing player, that's not to say she's an amazing team player, there's a lot to be desired there, and who knows she may develop into an amazing team player yet.. More opportunity for other girls to learn more and improve, that's what the parents SHOULD really want. in 10 years when our daughters are done with college who the [lacrosse] cares about wins and losses in middle school and high school? Move on, believe me the remaining girls have already done that.


Lots of "it" "go to" girls on the YJ team already without the newest addition. Will be interesting to see if they share the ball well! In the end there is only 1 ball to go around and a lot of egos to fill.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems the TG team and parents had accepted the everything runs thru her in order to win games , the YJ crew will not accept that at all.The grass is always greener until you get over there.

wins are nice but don't kid yourself, no one enjoys watching one girl try to do everything while open girls are standing around, least of all the other girls. Best of luck to her, she's an amazing player, that's not to say she's an amazing team player, there's a lot to be desired there, and who knows she may develop into an amazing team player yet.. More opportunity for other girls to learn more and improve, that's what the parents SHOULD really want. in 10 years when our daughters are done with college who the [lacrosse] cares about wins and losses in middle school and high school? Move on, believe me the remaining girls have already done that.


Lots of "it" "go to" girls on the YJ team already without the newest addition. Will be interesting to see if they share the ball well! In the end there is only 1 ball to go around and a lot of egos to fill.


What is really important is which Club gets to list as committed to Maryland
how do you know that I am not that parent who likes to spend 3 hours on the jersey tpke on a Friday night to wake up and play a 8:00 sat morn game and watch my daughter not get a touch while the coach yells "go to goal" multiple times...?..huh?...setting up the tailgate might be what I am in it for--after all, we have a great tent!
What???
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am sure the rumors are true and a 2020 has verbaled. The directors and the crazy parents living through their kids (13 year old kids at that) all want to be first.

No different then some 8th grade parents raising holy [lacrosse] in our town because 8th graders can't play varsity only JV. By only playing JV they are falling behind in resume building against their club teammates who have played varsity since 7th or 8th.



Same parents who tells their kids to go to goal whether there is an open lane or not. Same girls who score 80% of the goals in blow out games without passing. Those families are only there to get an early commit. The black holes of lacrosse
facetious. Look it up...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am sure the rumors are true and a 2020 has verbaled. The directors and the crazy parents living through their kids (13 year old kids at that) all want to be first.

No different then some 8th grade parents raising holy [lacrosse] in our town because 8th graders can't play varsity only JV. By only playing JV they are falling behind in resume building against their club teammates who have played varsity since 7th or 8th.



Same parents who tells their kids to go to goal whether there is an open lane or not. Same girls who score 80% of the goals in blow out games without passing. Those families are only there to get an early commit. The black holes of lacrosse
yet it works..so shame on the colleges who encourage that behavior and sign those players. I guess in the end the player that has the aggressiveness and the talent to go to goal with no regard for the open teammate is rewarded. so why shouldn't parents of good girls encourage that.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am sure the rumors are true and a 2020 has verbaled. The directors and the crazy parents living through their kids (13 year old kids at that) all want to be first.

No different then some 8th grade parents raising holy [lacrosse] in our town because 8th graders can't play varsity only JV. By only playing JV they are falling behind in resume building against their club teammates who have played varsity since 7th or 8th.



Same parents who tells their kids to go to goal whether there is an open lane or not. Same girls who score 80% of the goals in blow out games without passing. Those families are only there to get an early commit. The black holes of lacrosse
yet it works..so shame on the colleges who encourage that behavior and sign those players. I guess in the end the player that has the aggressiveness and the talent to go to goal with no regard for the open teammate is rewarded. so why shouldn't parents of good girls encourage that.


BINGO!!!! And that's why this beautiful team game is being ruined by early recruiting, selfish play and toxic me first parents. My kid is a solid B / B+ player and she is being turned off to a game she actually likes playing.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems the TG team and parents had accepted the everything runs thru her in order to win games , the YJ crew will not accept that at all.The grass is always greener until you get over there.

wins are nice but don't kid yourself, no one enjoys watching one girl try to do everything while open girls are standing around, least of all the other girls. Best of luck to her, she's an amazing player, that's not to say she's an amazing team player, there's a lot to be desired there, and who knows she may develop into an amazing team player yet.. More opportunity for other girls to learn more and improve, that's what the parents SHOULD really want. in 10 years when our daughters are done with college who the [lacrosse] cares about wins and losses in middle school and high school? Move on, believe me the remaining girls have already done that.


Lots of "it" "go to" girls on the YJ team already without the newest addition. Will be interesting to see if they share the ball well! In the end there is only 1 ball to go around and a lot of egos to fill.


What is really important is which Club gets to list as committed to Maryland

They both will. Guaranteed.
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems the TG team and parents had accepted the everything runs thru her in order to win games , the YJ crew will not accept that at all.The grass is always greener until you get over there.

wins are nice but don't kid yourself, no one enjoys watching one girl try to do everything while open girls are standing around, least of all the other girls. Best of luck to her, she's an amazing player, that's not to say she's an amazing team player, there's a lot to be desired there, and who knows she may develop into an amazing team player yet.. More opportunity for other girls to learn more and improve, that's what the parents SHOULD really want. in 10 years when our daughters are done with college who the [lacrosse] cares about wins and losses in middle school and high school? Move on, believe me the remaining girls have already done that.


Lots of "it" "go to" girls on the YJ team already without the newest addition. Will be interesting to see if they share the ball well! In the end there is only 1 ball to go around and a lot of egos to fill.


What is really important is which Club gets to list as committed to Maryland

They both will. Guaranteed.


Not so sure about that. Just as CR completely ignored the accomplishments of SS after she flew the coupe, this may very well be something TG's would not want to draw attention to. It looks terrible that this young superstar can't ride it out with the club even after committed.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am sure the rumors are true and a 2020 has verbaled. The directors and the crazy parents living through their kids (13 year old kids at that) all want to be first.

No different then some 8th grade parents raising holy [lacrosse] in our town because 8th graders can't play varsity only JV. By only playing JV they are falling behind in resume building against their club teammates who have played varsity since 7th or 8th.



Same parents who tells their kids to go to goal whether there is an open lane or not. Same girls who score 80% of the goals in blow out games without passing. Those families are only there to get an early commit. The black holes of lacrosse
yet it works..so shame on the colleges who encourage that behavior and sign those players. I guess in the end the player that has the aggressiveness and the talent to go to goal with no regard for the open teammate is rewarded. so why shouldn't parents of good girls encourage that.


BINGO!!!! And that's why this beautiful team game is being ruined by early recruiting, selfish play and toxic me first parents. My kid is a solid B / B+ player and she is being turned off to a game she actually likes playing.


Pretty clear that the parents reading these boards are all going for the scholarship.
Posted By: Anonymous THANK GOD!!! -
LOOKS LIKE RECRUITING MIGHT FINALLY GO BACK TO SEPT OF JUNIOR YEAR!

College Coaches Lobby to Stem Early Recruiting
by Justin Feil | LaxMagazine.com | Twitter
Lea Cox can't help but feel at least a little pressure to select a college.
"I'm the last girl on my team to pick a school," she said.
Cox, a junior at girls' lacrosse powerhouse St. Stephen's & St. Agnes School in Alexandria, Va., drew little interest from NCAA Division I last year. She played, but never at full strength after coming back from a stress fracture that cost her the fall of her sophomore year, then a torn meniscus that cut short most of her ensuing spring. Meanwhile, her high school and club teammates from Capital Lacrosse Club were getting offers and making verbal commitments to colleges.
As Cox searches now, she hears from many colleges that they have filled their Class of 2017 commitments.
"There are points when you think there's nothing ahead and you're really upset with yourself," Cox said. "When you're playing you think, this is your last chance."
Cox wouldn't feel as behind if two proposals submitted recently by the IWLCA for Division I coaches would gain NCAA approval. The first amends the recruiting calendar, while the second would prohibit any contact with prospective student-athletes until Sept. 1 of their junior year. If passed — no sure thing given the NCAA's move toward deregulation and a history of ignoring similar sport-specific proposals — they would mean that future high school juniors would all be in the same boat as Cox, whittling down their final college choices as September closes.
"If they did wait to do that, I'd have the same chance as everyone else," Cox said. "And I'd have a bigger pool of schools."
Coaches want the changes because they would help better match players to their schools, not just their teams, and pushing younger and younger players into making college choices is limiting that potential.
"None of us feel super comfortable evaluating 14-year-olds and projecting where they'll be seven years down the road," said Duke head coach Kerstin Kimel, co-chair of the Recruiting Issues Committee. "I have a freshman daughter [in high school]. She's been in this environment, been around a college and a college team, and she doesn't know what she wants. It's a hard choice. We're asking them to do it with an immature perspective on life."
"You want kids and families old enough and able to consider what they want and are looking for in a college experience," Kimel added. "And when they visit, they're able to absorb all that knowledge and weigh that with what they're looking for and not looking for. It's going to result in kids making much better decisions."
More than anything, the IWLCA's proposed legislation would give everyone more time. Coaches will have more time to focus on their current teams, while student-athletes will have more time to select the school that best fits.
"The accelerated process is too accelerated," said Julie Myers, head coach of Virginia and chair of the Lacrosse Rules Committee, which operates separately from the Recruiting Issues Committee. "We all can agree it's crazy. There's nothing urgent for a ninth-grader except getting ready for the next day of school."

The IWLCA's proposed recruiting amendments would put greater emphasis on high school lacrosse. (Greg Shemitz)
Leigh Ernst Friestedt, founder and president of Equity IX, which focuses on women's sports, presented material from her documentary, "Early Recruit: The 'Committed' Student-Athlete," at last year's IWLCA convention. She traced the development of the early recruiting process and outlined the issues with prospects verbally committing to schools earlier and earlier after researching and interviewing top players from programs like St. Stephen's and St. Agnes.
"Every graduating high school senior will tell me that she absolutely wanted to make that decision on her own, and they wanted that to be their decision," Friestedt said. "They recognize they're not in a positon to make the decision on their own and likely need their parents. Their decision could likely be different from what it would be if they were an older junior or senior student-athlete."
Cox does see how waiting could be an advantage. It's her silver lining.
"I'm glad I waited until now, because now I know what I want to do with my future," she said. "I want to go into engineering and want a city school. I don't think I could have made a decision any time sooner. I'm just coming to the conclusion of what I like now."
Kathy Jenkins will coach Cox this season, Jenkins' 40th year as girls' lacrosse coach at St. Stephen's and St. Agnes, and she would be thrilled to see the proposals slow down the recruiting cycle.
"We need to get it back to worry just about being a high school freshman and sophomore and worry about their classes," Jenkins said. "For the majority of the kids, they need time to develop and they need to take the stress off them. Everyone feels pressured. Kids feel pressure. Parents feel pressure. College coaches feel pressure. It's a circle of issues."
Jenkins was one of three prominent high school coaches to voice their concern about the increasing pace of recruiting and its effects at the IWLCA convention.
"Every year it's gotten worse," Jenkins said. "It used to be seniors, and it was great. It was juniors, then sophomores later, then sophomores earlier. Now freshmen or between freshman and sophomore summer. People were out looking at eighth-graders this summer. It's getting worse, and it's going to get worse if we don't change it."
Most college coaches agree with Jenkins, which is the genesis of the proposals that are steps to bringing the recruiting timeline back to where it was less than a decade ago. The IWLCA membership mandated a change in 2014.
"We finally hit a tipping point," Kimel said. "We have to do something."

Duke coach Kerstin Kimel, co-chair of the IWLCA's Recruiting Issues Committee, thinks the revised recruiting calendar will be easier to pass than the legislation that would prohibit any contact with prospects before Sept. 1 of their junior year. (Michelle Hutchins)
Kimel and Penn coach Karin Brower Corbett, the co-chair of the Recruiting Issues Committee, oversaw the distribution of surveys to IWLCA coaches and took their suggestions on how and what to change. Their committee took the results and came up with proposals that drew the highest consensus after repeated feedback from coaches.
"It's taken us a long time," Corbett said. "At the convention this past November, we had a lot of time to talk about this. We had surveys before. We wanted to show that a huge majority were in favor of it."
Out of 111 Division I coaches, 107 responded to the IWLCA's surveys on the submitted proposals. Of them, 87 percent want the calendar change, and 85 percent of them are in favor of the Sept. 1 contact proposal.
"The goal for the prospective student-athletes was balance," Corbett said. "Balance the recruiting opportunities with the time and abilities to focus on academics, to play multiple sports and to enjoy the overall high school experience without rushing the college process. The goals for the coaches is balance recruiting opportunities for age-appropriate prospective student-athletes with time to watch them develop further, to focus on coaching our current student-athletes, particularly during our preseason and season, and to foster a better work-life balance for our profession."
Getting the proposals passed is a giant question mark. The NCAA has had a moratorium on new legislation for more than four years. Women's lacrosse isn't the only sport now sending in new proposals and the NCAA will have to go through them all. The Sport-Specific Requests Subcommittee of the NCAA's Division I Student-Athlete Experience Committee is reviewing the IWLCA proposals and will decide whether or not to recommend them for further review to the NCAA.
"I do think the calendar is going to be easier to pass," Kimel said. "It's going to be looked at as 'non-controversial.' What's hard to predict is how our proposal of the Sept. 1 date, how they will look at that in regards to other sports. Are they going to be willing to look at it in regards to women's lacrosse only? It's hard to know. I think the Sept. 1 date is really important to changing the culture of recruiting for the kids and everyone involved. Recruiting calendars do evolve. The Sept. 1 date is going to be paramount in terms of making a significant change."
The calendar proposal separates "recruiting periods," when coaches are permitted to recruit only at high school/scholastic events, from "evaluation periods," when coaches are permitted to recruit at any type of event.

Penn coach Karin Brower Corbett, co-chair of the IWLCA's Recruiting Issues Committee, says the revised recruiting calendar also would encourage multi-sport participation. (Penn)
"The calendar proposal is trying to limit the amount of times that they're playing for two reasons," Corbett said. "The student-athletes can play multiple sports, which we think is good for them and good for their experience, and they're not playing lacrosse every weekend. Less playing is less opportunity for injury. And then for the coaches, it's more time to spend with our teams."
"We're trying as coaches to bring back the high school sports to mean something," Corebett explained. "We could go watch soccer. We can go watch a high school lacrosse game. We couldn't go to a tournament during that recruiting time. The point is to let these kids play multiple sports and also focus on academics year-round."
Financial and time commitments also are concerns in the current recruiting environment. Families of prospects spend incredible amounts of money and time to join clubs, play in tournaments and travel to them on weekends — if they can.
"There's a wealth disparity issue," Friestedt said. "You need to be able to afford to be recruited."
An amendment to the calendar proposal will help with the time commitment. It has dead periods for two weeks in August and three days surrounding all major national holidays. High school students could get back Thanksgiving and Christmas break with their families (but not lacrosse-filled Memorial Day weekend). In all, there would be 11 weekends in the year — just over 20 percent — in which there would be evaluation periods in which college coaches could attend.
"Eleven weekends is more than enough opportunity to have good quality exposure," Kimel said. "You do have to pick and choose now. The really quality events will be the ones that emerge in terms of being the most popular ones for teams and coaches to attend."
The IWLCA's own recruiting events tend to be among the most popular. The coaches' association currently runs three regional and three national tournaments, including the President's Cup in November, which occurs during the IWLCA convention at ESPN Wide World of Sports in LarryMiller.
"Every year, there are new events, and maybe they serve a region better or the whole country better," Kimel said. "That will be a continuum. We'll shift and change as recruiting continues to evolve."
Prospects figure to gravitate to the most popular tournaments to be seen by college coaches, and it could see events moving to cluster and compete on those 11 weekends. But coaches hope that prospects won't stop going to the clinics and camps where there are not as many college coaches or during recruiting dead periods.

The New England Cup in June was the first of six IWLCA recruiting tournaments in 2015, culminating in November with the national President's Cup in LarryMiller.
"Whether or not coaches can be at an event or not, they should still go," said Michele DeJuliis, founder of Ultimate Lacrosse and a former assistant coach at Princeton. "They should still be developing their game. There are so many kids out there that these events will still be successful. Somebody might move their weekend and might go against a big tournament, but you're going to have competition. There are some big tournaments that are important."
There wouldn't be any live periods during September, October or January with the new proposal. Limiting recruiting months would bring coaches back to focusing fully on preparing their current roster, something that has become increasingly tougher due to recruiting demands.
"They have three years of recruits to stay on top of and their team," Jenkins said. "It's a lot on the coaches. They have almost no life now, so this hasn't helped. It could be a win-win situation if we could get it improved."
It even could keep coaches from burning out.
"Where it will impact the coaches, it will inject some work-life balance," Kimel said. "There is concern about losing good, young women in our coaching profession. The demands of recruiting and time and travel, it's a lot for young women. There has to be some balance. The changes we made in the calendar inject some balance back in it. We want to make sure they're able to have a life outside of their job aside from just courting high school kids."
The Sept. 1 date proposal would afford both coaches and prospects even more time in the decision-making process.
"Within the rules now, we have dead periods," Corbett said. "We're increasing the dead period by years in their lives."
Coaches have found ways around the existing rules with third-party calls and on-campus visits by freshman and sophomore prospects, but they are pushing for tightening the contact rule to stem the cycle.
"The realities of how the process is working is there are some loopholes which allow coaches to communicate via third party and allow the student-athletes to contact the college coach," Friestedt said.
The Sept. 1 proposal is an attempt to put off all the early communication, part of the driving force behind the acceleration of early commitments and recruiting. The IWLCA pictures a stricter rule.
"There is no direct contact with a prospective student-athlete," Corbett said of the new proposal. "You can't meet on campus or off campus. These kids can't come to Sophomore Days and can't come to campus. They can come and do an admissions tour, but they cannot meet with a coach or a player. You technically shouldn't be looking at schools until a normal time in your life.
"Sept. 1 of junior year is a date that the NCAA uses. If you like a school, then you are able to be back on campus when school's in session and a player can get a feel of what the school and the team is like."
Coaches still would be charting prospects before their junior year, but foresee fewer of them being evaluated as closely as freshmen. And they wouldn't be offered spots before their junior year.
"We will still have evaluation periods," Myers said. "We'll have possibly two years to watch them grow and develop. It gives us the opportunity to do our homework better."
Added Kimel: "It's going to afford us the opportunity to recruit kids that are older. It makes more sense for us to recruit kids that are closer in age to when they'll get on college campus. We'll get a truer picture of where they are physically, mentally and emotionally as opposed to 14-year-olds in high school."
Club coaches would not longer serve as intermediaries to set up third-party contact, but would still provide valuable perpsective on recruits. And high school coaches like Jenkins could better answer inquiries.
"There are freshmen committing," Corbett said. "If they're on a good high school team, they're not playing their freshman year. It brings the high school coach back into the equation."
The Sept. 1 contact proposal will be more difficult to pass. In the past, the NCAA has railed against making special exceptions for sports, and they have had a trend toward deregulation, though their own rules don't reflect that idea.
"Bylaw 13 is around 60 pages, and it has lots of exceptions and nuances," Friestedt said. "The women's lacrosse proposal could be a model for other sports. Lacrosse would like the support of other sports behind them to do away with the early recruiting process. The women's lacrosse early recruiting timeline is more aggressive. There are reasons why they need these rules that are not relevant to other sports. This is a great step forward in really trying to address the issues of early recruiting."
The IWLCA is trying to get others on board to make it a broader movement. Similar issues early recruiting concerns exist in men's and women's soccer, field hockey, volleyball and, of course, men's lacrosse.
"It's in discussion," said Princeton men's lacrosse coach Chris Bates, the Division I representative on the IMLCA Board of Directors. "We all probably realize we'd like to do something to stem the tide of what's happening. It's definitely in discussions. It's probably something we will more formally have dialogue and discuss in our December meetings."
The IWLCA would like to see its two proposals in place for the 2016-2017 season. A mandate from the coaches spawned the proposals last year, but the IWLCA has been waiting for the NCAA's moratorium to be lifted so it could confront early recruiting issues before they get worse.
"The cost is kids' experiences," Kimel said. "We're not talking about commodities. We're talking about children and their futures. To have them be in position as teens and pre-teens to consider colleges, I don't think people are confident that will result in a good decision."
Said Corbett: "We are hopeful that the NCAA will work with us on this, that they see this is an issue. The NCAA has stated success in the classroom, field and in life is important. This is part of their mission. We're hoping to partner with them. We're one of the first groups to put forth a rule that can be enforced."
In the meantime, Cox is slimming a narrow list of schools that she could play for, and still hoping that being later than the rest of her teammates won't leave her missing out on a Division I chance.
"I know I have options," Cox said. "I know I'll have the ability to play lacrosse in college or not. It depends how I want to go forward. I'd love to play."

Posted By: acblax Re: THANK GOD!!! -
If this gets adopted, I really hope it gets the Men's side to act.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am sure the rumors are true and a 2020 has verbaled. The directors and the crazy parents living through their kids (13 year old kids at that) all want to be first.

No different then some 8th grade parents raising holy [lacrosse] in our town because 8th graders can't play varsity only JV. By only playing JV they are falling behind in resume building against their club teammates who have played varsity since 7th or 8th.



Same parents who tells their kids to go to goal whether there is an open lane or not. Same girls who score 80% of the goals in blow out games without passing. Those families are only there to get an early commit. The black holes of lacrosse
yet it works..so shame on the colleges who encourage that behavior and sign those players. I guess in the end the player that has the aggressiveness and the talent to go to goal with no regard for the open teammate is rewarded. so why shouldn't parents of good girls encourage that.


BINGO!!!! And that's why this beautiful team game is being ruined by early recruiting, selfish play and toxic me first parents. My kid is a solid B / B+ player and she is being turned off to a game she actually likes playing.


Pretty clear that the parents reading these boards are all going for the scholarship.


How would the new iwcla proposals affect this?
My Daughter who is only 3 months is being recruited by ND, USC, Duke, NC and Tudor Time. I am so torn!!!!!

who cares, let them just be 13 year girls, and only be concerned about your child.
85% of D1 coaches want it to go back to Juniors. Great quote on how are coaches supposed to project out someone's ability 7 years in advance? Another great quote on PARENTS are picking the schools for 13 and 14 year olds not the students.

And the tournament circuit already doing damage control by saying even if its not a recruiting tournament anymore you should still fly across the country to participate LOL

Wait for the spin from the club directors. Its a HUGE BUSINESS, NO ONE IS GOING TO GO QUIETLY!

Selfishly I just want to beat down the crazies at the younger ages and keep more girls playing until 11th or 12th. The crazies are pushing good kids out too young
Originally Posted by Anonymous
85% of D1 coaches want it to go back to Juniors. Great quote on how are coaches supposed to project out someone's ability 7 years in advance? Another great quote on PARENTS are picking the schools for 13 and 14 year olds not the students.

And the tournament circuit already doing damage control by saying even if its not a recruiting tournament anymore you should still fly across the country to participate LOL

Wait for the spin from the club directors. Its a HUGE BUSINESS, NO ONE IS GOING TO GO QUIETLY!

Selfishly I just want to beat down the crazies at the younger ages and keep more girls playing until 11th or 12th. The crazies are pushing good kids out too young


Couldn't agree more. The tourney and team operators are going to spin this like nuts. And the JOs who guzzle that koolaid will continue to do so.
Like it or not the rules are what they are. Until that changes parents of those early commits should be proud of what the daughters have accomplished.
Don't hate the player/parents hate the rules!!!
Not stalking nor am I obsessed with the committed kid but was really just curious if its true that a 13 year old did actually verbally commit to the top lacrosse program in the country. I would find it strange that both parties would be willing to make such an early commitment. Friend of mine told me the kid just posted it as a joke which is possible and may be a great example of why 13 year olds should not be committing.
if we are talking about the Pequa kid, I am sure the father would be broadcasting left and right if it were true...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like it or not the rules are what they are. Until that changes parents of those early commits should be proud of what the daughters have accomplished.
Don't hate the player/parents hate the rules!!!


The girls should be commended for being born with a gift and then fine tuning that gift with lots of hard work and dedication to the sport but the parents of those kids make it very hard to root for them. Lacrosse has a toxic selfish sideline at a very young age because of these "rules". A game of the haves and have nots and if your daughter loves the game and is trying hard parents of the haves make it tough for them to stick around.
How much does each club charge for their summer lacrosse program?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like it or not the rules are what they are. Until that changes parents of those early commits should be proud of what the daughters have accomplished.
Don't hate the player/parents hate the rules!!!


Spoken like a true sideline parent or team owner.... There's lots to hate about the parents... NEVER should hate the player-- --
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonomous
will be fun season all around for the 2020 group....TG, Legacy, Elevate--although Elevate still the only team to put out a full on money grab 3rd team (white)--(all others cap at 2 teams per age) seem to all have improved...much migration of decent players...Express, 91, Wave,etc. all trailing...change is good I suppose


So, we left another club and joined Elevate this fall. We joined the 2020 red team. I had a frank discussion with the director and was told that ALL teams practice the same amount, have the same number of tournaments, blah blah blah. This week at soccer I found out that the 202 Blue team already had a practice - 2020 red did not. I guess my question is, is this how Elevate works and did I fall for the usual BS, just want to know before its too late, still have some other options.


Truth is, your team will practice less. The daughter of the director coaches the 2020 Blue team and that is just the way it is. She is sort of running the show there now (assuming he is going to give her that club one day) and not sure he would even stop that from happening. If you were watching at Elevate tryouts, she was sort of running the show - from her chair. Don't say anything, we mentioned some issues last year and it did not go well. Suck it up and deal with it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonomous
will be fun season all around for the 2020 group....TG, Legacy, Elevate--although Elevate still the only team to put out a full on money grab 3rd team (white)--(all others cap at 2 teams per age) seem to all have improved...much migration of decent players...Express, 91, Wave,etc. all trailing...change is good I suppose


So, we left another club and joined Elevate this fall. We joined the 2020 red team. I had a frank discussion with the director and was told that ALL teams practice the same amount, have the same number of tournaments, blah blah blah. This week at soccer I found out that the 202 Blue team already had a practice - 2020 red did not. I guess my question is, is this how Elevate works and did I fall for the usual BS, just want to know before its too late, still have some other options.


Speaking of running things at Elevate, somebody told me this weekend that the woman running Elevate (I believe you cant mention names on here so I wont), left Elevate? Is that true, I spoke to her at tryouts. Con anyone confirm... rumor or fact?

Truth is, your team will practice less. The daughter of the director coaches the 2020 Blue team and that is just the way it is. She is sort of running the show there now (assuming he is going to give her that club one day) and not sure he would even stop that from happening. If you were watching at Elevate tryouts, she was sort of running the show - from her chair. Don't say anything, we mentioned some issues last year and it did not go well. Suck it up and deal with it.
she probably finally realized that DK is a crook...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonomous
will be fun season all around for the 2020 group....TG, Legacy, Elevate--although Elevate still the only team to put out a full on money grab 3rd team (white)--(all others cap at 2 teams per age) seem to all have improved...much migration of decent players...Express, 91, Wave,etc. all trailing...change is good I suppose


So, we left another club and joined Elevate this fall. We joined the 2020 red team. I had a frank discussion with the director and was told that ALL teams practice the same amount, have the same number of tournaments, blah blah blah. This week at soccer I found out that the 202 Blue team already had a practice - 2020 red did not. I guess my question is, is this how Elevate works and did I fall for the usual BS, just want to know before its too late, still have some other options.


Speaking of running things at Elevate, somebody told me this weekend that the woman running Elevate (I believe you cant mention names on here so I wont), left Elevate? Is that true, I spoke to her at tryouts. Con anyone confirm... rumor or fact?

Truth is, your team will practice less. The daughter of the director coaches the 2020 Blue team and that is just the way it is. She is sort of running the show there now (assuming he is going to give her that club one day) and not sure he would even stop that from happening. If you were watching at Elevate tryouts, she was sort of running the show - from her chair. Don't say anything, we mentioned some issues last year and it did not go well. Suck it up and deal with it.


So true. I suggest you go with your other options. We did and it was the right thing for us.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=anonomous]will be fun season all around for the 2020 group....TG, Legacy, Elevate--although Elevate still the only team to put out a full on money grab 3rd team (white)--(all others cap at 2 teams per age) seem to all have improved...much migration of decent players...Express, 91, Wave,etc. all trailing...change is good I suppose


So, we left another club and joined Elevate this fall. We joined the 2020 red team. I had a frank discussion with the director and was told that ALL teams practice the same amount, have the same number of tournaments, blah blah blah. This week at soccer I found out that the 202 Blue team already had a practice - 2020 red did not. I guess my question is, is this how Elevate works and did I fall for the usual BS, just want to know before its too late, still have some other options.


Speaking of running things at Elevate, somebody told me this weekend that the woman running Elevate (I believe you cant mention names on here so I wont), left Elevate? Is that true, I spoke to her at tryouts. Con anyone confirm... rumor or fact?


This is true, she did leave. I was notified when she left, I think it was a week ago but it was after tryouts. We were with that program before she came and since she got there and she turned that place around. You talk about putting structure to chaos. She took every call I made to her, spent hours on the phone with people and was honest in her answers. As to why she left, I think I know why but would not write that in a forum like this. Good luck to her and her family.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonomous
will be fun season all around for the 2020 group....TG, Legacy, Elevate--although Elevate still the only team to put out a full on money grab 3rd team (white)--(all others cap at 2 teams per age) seem to all have improved...much migration of decent players...Express, 91, Wave,etc. all trailing...change is good I suppose


So, we left another club and joined Elevate this fall. We joined the 2020 red team. I had a frank discussion with the director and was told that ALL teams practice the same amount, have the same number of tournaments, blah blah blah. This week at soccer I found out that the 202 Blue team already had a practice - 2020 red did not. I guess my question is, is this how Elevate works and did I fall for the usual BS, just want to know before its too late, still have some other options.


Speaking of running things at Elevate, somebody told me this weekend that the woman running Elevate (I believe you cant mention names on here so I wont), left Elevate? Is that true, I spoke to her at tryouts. Con anyone confirm... rumor or fact?

Truth is, your team will practice less. The daughter of the director coaches the 2020 Blue team and that is just the way it is. She is sort of running the show there now (assuming he is going to give her that club one day) and not sure he would even stop that from happening. If you were watching at Elevate tryouts, she was sort of running the show - from her chair. Don't say anything, we mentioned some issues last year and it did not go well. Suck it up and deal with it.


So true. I suggest you go with your other options. We did and it was the right thing for us.


When you left Elevate, what club did you go to and why was it a better choice, just want to know as we explore our options?
Interesting that there are so few comments on the recruiting topic. I guess that means that most of the parents on here really want their kids to commit and commit early. Keep living through your kids.
elevate is the worst stay away from dave kotowski
dont make the mistake i made stay away from dave kotowski
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interesting that there are so few comments on the recruiting topic. I guess that means that most of the parents on here really want their kids to commit and commit early. Keep living through your kids.


Why does early commitment automatically equal living through your kids? Don't get me wrong, there is tons of that going on, but I'm not sure that is always the case.
Care to expand on your experience? How long did you stay, what team did you play for and where did you go?
Looking for real feedback, good and bad.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interesting that there are so few comments on the recruiting topic. I guess that means that most of the parents on here really want their kids to commit and commit early. Keep living through your kids.


Why does early commitment automatically equal living through your kids? Don't get me wrong, there is tons of that going on, but I'm not sure that is always the case.


It doesn't but you always have a few jealous losers who can't be happy for anyone who does better than their kid. Have spoken to many an early commit kid when they are in 11-12th grade and rarely if ever do they feel they made the wrong choice , if they did they would just decommit and go elsewhere .Guarantee that most if not all of these "I know what's better for your kid than you do " parents on here feel their kid was over looked so are bitter. Yes my kid was a relatively early commit and could not be happier for her as she enjoyed every second of the recruiting process.
We stayed longer than we should have. Don't expect things to change - they won't. If you're not happy, choose another club.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interesting that there are so few comments on the recruiting topic. I guess that means that most of the parents on here really want their kids to commit and commit early. Keep living through your kids.


Why does early commitment automatically equal living through your kids? Don't get me wrong, there is tons of that going on, but I'm not sure that is always the case.


It doesn't but you always have a few jealous losers who can't be happy for anyone who does better than their kid. Have spoken to many an early commit kid when they are in 11-12th grade and rarely if ever do they feel they made the wrong choice , if they did they would just decommit and go elsewhere .Guarantee that most if not all of these "I know what's better for your kid than you do " parents on here feel their kid was over looked so are bitter. Yes my kid was a relatively early commit and could not be happier for her as she enjoyed every second of the recruiting process.


Congrats to you and your daughter. Completely agree with your post. The poison is not the parents of the early commits, its not the parents on the sideline, it comes from jealous parents who spew it on the internet. Not every early commit is a black hole, stat padding monster molded by their over the top parents who won't give you the time of day on the sidelines. There are lots of extremely talented, unselfish, team player girls with great parents out there too. If you people out there are stuck on a team with a black hole, that stinks, but don't apply your misery and situation to everyone else. Good luck.
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Interesting that there are so few comments on the recruiting topic. I guess that means that most of the parents on here really want their kids to commit and commit early. Keep living through your kids.


Why does early commitment automatically equal living through your kids? Don't get me wrong, there is tons of that going on, but I'm not sure that is always the case.


It doesn't but you always have a few jealous losers who can't be happy for anyone who does better than their kid. Have spoken to many an early commit kid when they are in 11-12th grade and rarely if ever do they feel they made the wrong choice , if they did they would just decommit and go elsewhere .Guarantee that most if not all of these "I know what's better for your kid than you do " parents on here feel their kid was over looked so are bitter. Yes my kid was a relatively early commit and could not be happier for her as she enjoyed every second of the recruiting process.


Congrats to you and your daughter. Completely agree with your post. The poison is not the parents of the early commits, its not the parents on the sideline, it comes from jealous parents who spew it on the internet. Not every early commit is a black hole, stat padding monster molded by their over the top parents who won't give you the time of day on the sidelines. There are lots of extremely talented, unselfish, team player girls with great parents out there too. If you people out there are stuck on a team with a black hole, that stinks, but don't apply your misery and situation to everyone else. Good luck.


Have seen both situations. Some where early commitment is all the parents can talk about and if you didn't know any better you would think it's the parents going to college. One even said to me, "When we go to school in a couple years" ... i had to remind him that he wasn't going to school, his daughter was. But have also seen very thoughtful and caring parents try to help their daughters navigate this big decision, and see it work out well for them. Parents and their daughters should get as much information as possible, and make the best decision they can together. For some that may mean committing very early, for others it might mean taking more time. There is no right answer. But there certainly are parents that are tools!
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Interesting that there are so few comments on the recruiting topic. I guess that means that most of the parents on here really want their kids to commit and commit early. Keep living through your kids.


Why does early commitment automatically equal living through your kids? Don't get me wrong, there is tons of that going on, but I'm not sure that is always the case.


It doesn't but you always have a few jealous losers who can't be happy for anyone who does better than their kid. Have spoken to many an early commit kid when they are in 11-12th grade and rarely if ever do they feel they made the wrong choice , if they did they would just decommit and go elsewhere .Guarantee that most if not all of these "I know what's better for your kid than you do " parents on here feel their kid was over looked so are bitter. Yes my kid was a relatively early commit and could not be happier for her as she enjoyed every second of the recruiting process.


Congrats to you and your daughter. Completely agree with your post. The poison is not the parents of the early commits, its not the parents on the sideline, it comes from jealous parents who spew it on the internet. Not every early commit is a black hole, stat padding monster molded by their over the top parents who won't give you the time of day on the sidelines. There are lots of extremely talented, unselfish, team player girls with great parents out there too. If you people out there are stuck on a team with a black hole, that stinks, but don't apply your misery and situation to everyone else. Good luck.


Early recruiting is killing the game of lacrosse. Lacrosse was always a great team sport and like many other team sports it teaches you about teamwork, sportsmanship, commitment and may other key qualities.

A report just came out from Boston College about the effects that helicopter parents are having on students in college and their inability to cope or adapt. The same thing is happening in lacrosse. Parents need to understand that it is ok for kids to make mistakes, it ok for kids to lose.

Do I think the NCAA and both coaches associations need to make changes to early recruiting - YES. However, parents can also play their own part and help your daughters (or sons) by slowing the process down. Don't worry about what the girl on your team is doing, worry about yourself. Pick a school because it is a great academic fit for your daughter. A Place she would be happy at if her lax career ended tomorrow. In reality her lax career will most likely end when she graduates unless she goes into coaching or is in the top half of 1 percent of all the players and
plays for Team USA.

So due to early recruiting, we have seen a major shift in the game and how it is played. Instead of playing club lacrosse for the fun of it - parents only care about what are the recruiting chances for their daughter. This in turn makes lacrosse a job and it's not fun anymore. This also changes how the game is played - it turns into a me, me game where "I have to showcase what I can do." Parents feel that the best way their daughter can show case themselves is by scoring goals. How often do you hear on the sidelines - "go to goal, go, go." You don't hear look up - Susie is open - pass the ball. You do it hear that occasionally form Susie's parents who are constantly telling the coaches that know one passes the ball to Susie.

This shift in early recruiting is making parents try to force their kids onto varsity in 7th and 8th grade. Granted their will be the top 1% of layers who can handle this, bit the majority of them can not. So they sit on the varsity bench and wast an entire year where they could have been playing JV or middle school ball and gotten valuable playing experience. Parents will justify this by saying their daughters are getting valuable practice time against varsity level players. However, this is also not true. Many of these kids not only sit on the sidelines during games, but also at practices. How may HS games have you watched where they play 12-14 girls only?

Another part of this problem is the lack of quality coaching both at middle school and high school programs. May of these jobs go to teachers who don't have the necessary experience. We have seen this firsthand in Maryland where girls are told to NOT play on their middle school teams but play on their club teams in a spring league.

All of this is in a push to get their daughters committed early because they will lose their spot. For some of these early recruits (aa small percentage), they may have a dream school, maybe it's their parents alma matter. However, for the overwhelming majority we are asking 13-15 year kids to make a decision on their future where they are not capable of really making this decision. What are these kids shown on their recruiting trips - athletic facilities, fields, locker rooms, fancy training rooms, student athlete learning centers (which are not available to the general student body).

They are introduced to famous athletes to woo them to their respective school. You also have club programs that push certain schools - not because they have their players best academic interests in mind, but schools who can win a championship.

Does and 8th, 9th or 10th grader really know what they want to do with the rest of their life. No. Dod they know which school and which course of study will help them best - no.

Another issue with early recruiting is the problem with the socio economic disparity amongst families. A family for ma a ver wealthy area can afford to send their kids to limitless camps, clinics and campus visits - no matter where they are in the country. A family with lesser or no means can not make those trips. The NCAA makes available 5 paid recruiting trips. However, those are for the players' senior year. That is way too late.

So with all that being said - we have turned lacrosse into a me first sport. Go to any recruiting showcase and watch the ball hogs take over. Go to a summer tournament and listen to the parents scream at their kids to go to goal. Watch parents n the sidelines with stopwatches timing how long their kids have been on the bench and how long they are on the field.

We need to go back to teaching the game to be played the right way - like a team. Some of the greatest players to ever play the game were great because they made the players around them better. That is what great layers do.

We live in a world of helicopter parents. Kids are not allowed to make mistakes - and if the do it is someone else's fault. Let's go back to a time where we need to tell our kids that if they want something bad enough - they need to work for it. They can't just have mommy and daddy fight for it. And lastly to parents, when a college coach asks yourHS or Club Coach - what type of parents are they? What do you want them to say?
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Interesting that there are so few comments on the recruiting topic. I guess that means that most of the parents on here really want their kids to commit and commit early. Keep living through your kids.


Why does early commitment automatically equal living through your kids? Don't get me wrong, there is tons of that going on, but I'm not sure that is always the case.


It doesn't but you always have a few jealous losers who can't be happy for anyone who does better than their kid. Have spoken to many an early commit kid when they are in 11-12th grade and rarely if ever do they feel they made the wrong choice , if they did they would just decommit and go elsewhere .Guarantee that most if not all of these "I know what's better for your kid than you do " parents on here feel their kid was over looked so are bitter. Yes my kid was a relatively early commit and could not be happier for her as she enjoyed every second of the recruiting process.


Congrats to you and your daughter. Completely agree with your post. The poison is not the parents of the early commits, its not the parents on the sideline, it comes from jealous parents who spew it on the internet. Not every early commit is a black hole, stat padding monster molded by their over the top parents who won't give you the time of day on the sidelines. There are lots of extremely talented, unselfish, team player girls with great parents out there too. If you people out there are stuck on a team with a black hole, that stinks, but don't apply your misery and situation to everyone else. Good luck.


Have seen both situations. Some where early commitment is all the parents can talk about and if you didn't know any better you would think it's the parents going to college. One even said to me, "When we go to school in a couple years" ... i had to remind him that he wasn't going to school, his daughter was. But have also seen very thoughtful and caring parents try to help their daughters navigate this big decision, and see it work out well for them. Parents and their daughters should get as much information as possible, and make the best decision they can together. For some that may mean committing very early, for others it might mean taking more time. There is no right answer. But there certainly are parents that are tools!


Don't knock early committments, my older daughter would have been very happy to get an early committment but it wasn't in the cards. She watched as all of her friends did committ early and wondered when her turn would come. ( very anxious times for a young lady to have all of her friends have a committment and her not have one) As it turns out she was a late bloomer and eventually found her way to a top program that offered her course of study. It all works out but if my next one is in a position to committ early I wouldn't be against it.
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We stayed longer than we should have. Don't expect things to change - they won't. If you're not happy, choose another club.


Stayed longer where? Don't expect what to change? What club is this in reference to?
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LOOKS LIKE RECRUITING MIGHT FINALLY GO BACK TO SEPT OF JUNIOR YEAR!

College Coaches Lobby to Stem Early Recruiting
by Justin Feil | LaxMagazine.com | Twitter
Lea Cox can't help but feel at least a little pressure to select a college.
"I'm the last girl on my team to pick a school," she said.
Cox, a junior at girls' lacrosse powerhouse St. Stephen's & St. Agnes School in Alexandria, Va., drew little interest from NCAA Division I last year. She played, but never at full strength after coming back from a stress fracture that cost her the fall of her sophomore year, then a torn meniscus that cut short most of her ensuing spring. Meanwhile, her high school and club teammates from Capital Lacrosse Club were getting offers and making verbal commitments to colleges.
As Cox searches now, she hears from many colleges that they have filled their Class of 2017 commitments.
"There are points when you think there's nothing ahead and you're really upset with yourself," Cox said. "When you're playing you think, this is your last chance."
Cox wouldn't feel as behind if two proposals submitted recently by the IWLCA for Division I coaches would gain NCAA approval. The first amends the recruiting calendar, while the second would prohibit any contact with prospective student-athletes until Sept. 1 of their junior year. If passed — no sure thing given the NCAA's move toward deregulation and a history of ignoring similar sport-specific proposals — they would mean that future high school juniors would all be in the same boat as Cox, whittling down their final college choices as September closes.
"If they did wait to do that, I'd have the same chance as everyone else," Cox said. "And I'd have a bigger pool of schools."
Coaches want the changes because they would help better match players to their schools, not just their teams, and pushing younger and younger players into making college choices is limiting that potential.
"None of us feel super comfortable evaluating 14-year-olds and projecting where they'll be seven years down the road," said Duke head coach Kerstin Kimel, co-chair of the Recruiting Issues Committee. "I have a freshman daughter [in high school]. She's been in this environment, been around a college and a college team, and she doesn't know what she wants. It's a hard choice. We're asking them to do it with an immature perspective on life."
"You want kids and families old enough and able to consider what they want and are looking for in a college experience," Kimel added. "And when they visit, they're able to absorb all that knowledge and weigh that with what they're looking for and not looking for. It's going to result in kids making much better decisions."
More than anything, the IWLCA's proposed legislation would give everyone more time. Coaches will have more time to focus on their current teams, while student-athletes will have more time to select the school that best fits.
"The accelerated process is too accelerated," said Julie Myers, head coach of Virginia and chair of the Lacrosse Rules Committee, which operates separately from the Recruiting Issues Committee. "We all can agree it's crazy. There's nothing urgent for a ninth-grader except getting ready for the next day of school."

The IWLCA's proposed recruiting amendments would put greater emphasis on high school lacrosse. (Greg Shemitz)
Leigh Ernst Friestedt, founder and president of Equity IX, which focuses on women's sports, presented material from her documentary, "Early Recruit: The 'Committed' Student-Athlete," at last year's IWLCA convention. She traced the development of the early recruiting process and outlined the issues with prospects verbally committing to schools earlier and earlier after researching and interviewing top players from programs like St. Stephen's and St. Agnes.
"Every graduating high school senior will tell me that she absolutely wanted to make that decision on her own, and they wanted that to be their decision," Friestedt said. "They recognize they're not in a positon to make the decision on their own and likely need their parents. Their decision could likely be different from what it would be if they were an older junior or senior student-athlete."
Cox does see how waiting could be an advantage. It's her silver lining.
"I'm glad I waited until now, because now I know what I want to do with my future," she said. "I want to go into engineering and want a city school. I don't think I could have made a decision any time sooner. I'm just coming to the conclusion of what I like now."
Kathy Jenkins will coach Cox this season, Jenkins' 40th year as girls' lacrosse coach at St. Stephen's and St. Agnes, and she would be thrilled to see the proposals slow down the recruiting cycle.
"We need to get it back to worry just about being a high school freshman and sophomore and worry about their classes," Jenkins said. "For the majority of the kids, they need time to develop and they need to take the stress off them. Everyone feels pressured. Kids feel pressure. Parents feel pressure. College coaches feel pressure. It's a circle of issues."
Jenkins was one of three prominent high school coaches to voice their concern about the increasing pace of recruiting and its effects at the IWLCA convention.
"Every year it's gotten worse," Jenkins said. "It used to be seniors, and it was great. It was juniors, then sophomores later, then sophomores earlier. Now freshmen or between freshman and sophomore summer. People were out looking at eighth-graders this summer. It's getting worse, and it's going to get worse if we don't change it."
Most college coaches agree with Jenkins, which is the genesis of the proposals that are steps to bringing the recruiting timeline back to where it was less than a decade ago. The IWLCA membership mandated a change in 2014.
"We finally hit a tipping point," Kimel said. "We have to do something."

Duke coach Kerstin Kimel, co-chair of the IWLCA's Recruiting Issues Committee, thinks the revised recruiting calendar will be easier to pass than the legislation that would prohibit any contact with prospects before Sept. 1 of their junior year. (Michelle Hutchins)
Kimel and Penn coach Karin Brower Corbett, the co-chair of the Recruiting Issues Committee, oversaw the distribution of surveys to IWLCA coaches and took their suggestions on how and what to change. Their committee took the results and came up with proposals that drew the highest consensus after repeated feedback from coaches.
"It's taken us a long time," Corbett said. "At the convention this past November, we had a lot of time to talk about this. We had surveys before. We wanted to show that a huge majority were in favor of it."
Out of 111 Division I coaches, 107 responded to the IWLCA's surveys on the submitted proposals. Of them, 87 percent want the calendar change, and 85 percent of them are in favor of the Sept. 1 contact proposal.
"The goal for the prospective student-athletes was balance," Corbett said. "Balance the recruiting opportunities with the time and abilities to focus on academics, to play multiple sports and to enjoy the overall high school experience without rushing the college process. The goals for the coaches is balance recruiting opportunities for age-appropriate prospective student-athletes with time to watch them develop further, to focus on coaching our current student-athletes, particularly during our preseason and season, and to foster a better work-life balance for our profession."
Getting the proposals passed is a giant question mark. The NCAA has had a moratorium on new legislation for more than four years. Women's lacrosse isn't the only sport now sending in new proposals and the NCAA will have to go through them all. The Sport-Specific Requests Subcommittee of the NCAA's Division I Student-Athlete Experience Committee is reviewing the IWLCA proposals and will decide whether or not to recommend them for further review to the NCAA.
"I do think the calendar is going to be easier to pass," Kimel said. "It's going to be looked at as 'non-controversial.' What's hard to predict is how our proposal of the Sept. 1 date, how they will look at that in regards to other sports. Are they going to be willing to look at it in regards to women's lacrosse only? It's hard to know. I think the Sept. 1 date is really important to changing the culture of recruiting for the kids and everyone involved. Recruiting calendars do evolve. The Sept. 1 date is going to be paramount in terms of making a significant change."
The calendar proposal separates "recruiting periods," when coaches are permitted to recruit only at high school/scholastic events, from "evaluation periods," when coaches are permitted to recruit at any type of event.

Penn coach Karin Brower Corbett, co-chair of the IWLCA's Recruiting Issues Committee, says the revised recruiting calendar also would encourage multi-sport participation. (Penn)
"The calendar proposal is trying to limit the amount of times that they're playing for two reasons," Corbett said. "The student-athletes can play multiple sports, which we think is good for them and good for their experience, and they're not playing lacrosse every weekend. Less playing is less opportunity for injury. And then for the coaches, it's more time to spend with our teams."
"We're trying as coaches to bring back the high school sports to mean something," Corebett explained. "We could go watch soccer. We can go watch a high school lacrosse game. We couldn't go to a tournament during that recruiting time. The point is to let these kids play multiple sports and also focus on academics year-round."
Financial and time commitments also are concerns in the current recruiting environment. Families of prospects spend incredible amounts of money and time to join clubs, play in tournaments and travel to them on weekends — if they can.
"There's a wealth disparity issue," Friestedt said. "You need to be able to afford to be recruited."
An amendment to the calendar proposal will help with the time commitment. It has dead periods for two weeks in August and three days surrounding all major national holidays. High school students could get back Thanksgiving and Christmas break with their families (but not lacrosse-filled Memorial Day weekend). In all, there would be 11 weekends in the year — just over 20 percent — in which there would be evaluation periods in which college coaches could attend.
"Eleven weekends is more than enough opportunity to have good quality exposure," Kimel said. "You do have to pick and choose now. The really quality events will be the ones that emerge in terms of being the most popular ones for teams and coaches to attend."
The IWLCA's own recruiting events tend to be among the most popular. The coaches' association currently runs three regional and three national tournaments, including the President's Cup in November, which occurs during the IWLCA convention at ESPN Wide World of Sports in LarryMiller.
"Every year, there are new events, and maybe they serve a region better or the whole country better," Kimel said. "That will be a continuum. We'll shift and change as recruiting continues to evolve."
Prospects figure to gravitate to the most popular tournaments to be seen by college coaches, and it could see events moving to cluster and compete on those 11 weekends. But coaches hope that prospects won't stop going to the clinics and camps where there are not as many college coaches or during recruiting dead periods.

The New England Cup in June was the first of six IWLCA recruiting tournaments in 2015, culminating in November with the national President's Cup in LarryMiller.
"Whether or not coaches can be at an event or not, they should still go," said Michele DeJuliis, founder of Ultimate Lacrosse and a former assistant coach at Princeton. "They should still be developing their game. There are so many kids out there that these events will still be successful. Somebody might move their weekend and might go against a big tournament, but you're going to have competition. There are some big tournaments that are important."
There wouldn't be any live periods during September, October or January with the new proposal. Limiting recruiting months would bring coaches back to focusing fully on preparing their current roster, something that has become increasingly tougher due to recruiting demands.
"They have three years of recruits to stay on top of and their team," Jenkins said. "It's a lot on the coaches. They have almost no life now, so this hasn't helped. It could be a win-win situation if we could get it improved."
It even could keep coaches from burning out.
"Where it will impact the coaches, it will inject some work-life balance," Kimel said. "There is concern about losing good, young women in our coaching profession. The demands of recruiting and time and travel, it's a lot for young women. There has to be some balance. The changes we made in the calendar inject some balance back in it. We want to make sure they're able to have a life outside of their job aside from just courting high school kids."
The Sept. 1 date proposal would afford both coaches and prospects even more time in the decision-making process.
"Within the rules now, we have dead periods," Corbett said. "We're increasing the dead period by years in their lives."
Coaches have found ways around the existing rules with third-party calls and on-campus visits by freshman and sophomore prospects, but they are pushing for tightening the contact rule to stem the cycle.
"The realities of how the process is working is there are some loopholes which allow coaches to communicate via third party and allow the student-athletes to contact the college coach," Friestedt said.
The Sept. 1 proposal is an attempt to put off all the early communication, part of the driving force behind the acceleration of early commitments and recruiting. The IWLCA pictures a stricter rule.
"There is no direct contact with a prospective student-athlete," Corbett said of the new proposal. "You can't meet on campus or off campus. These kids can't come to Sophomore Days and can't come to campus. They can come and do an admissions tour, but they cannot meet with a coach or a player. You technically shouldn't be looking at schools until a normal time in your life.
"Sept. 1 of junior year is a date that the NCAA uses. If you like a school, then you are able to be back on campus when school's in session and a player can get a feel of what the school and the team is like."
Coaches still would be charting prospects before their junior year, but foresee fewer of them being evaluated as closely as freshmen. And they wouldn't be offered spots before their junior year.
"We will still have evaluation periods," Myers said. "We'll have possibly two years to watch them grow and develop. It gives us the opportunity to do our homework better."
Added Kimel: "It's going to afford us the opportunity to recruit kids that are older. It makes more sense for us to recruit kids that are closer in age to when they'll get on college campus. We'll get a truer picture of where they are physically, mentally and emotionally as opposed to 14-year-olds in high school."
Club coaches would not longer serve as intermediaries to set up third-party contact, but would still provide valuable perpsective on recruits. And high school coaches like Jenkins could better answer inquiries.
"There are freshmen committing," Corbett said. "If they're on a good high school team, they're not playing their freshman year. It brings the high school coach back into the equation."
The Sept. 1 contact proposal will be more difficult to pass. In the past, the NCAA has railed against making special exceptions for sports, and they have had a trend toward deregulation, though their own rules don't reflect that idea.
"Bylaw 13 is around 60 pages, and it has lots of exceptions and nuances," Friestedt said. "The women's lacrosse proposal could be a model for other sports. Lacrosse would like the support of other sports behind them to do away with the early recruiting process. The women's lacrosse early recruiting timeline is more aggressive. There are reasons why they need these rules that are not relevant to other sports. This is a great step forward in really trying to address the issues of early recruiting."
The IWLCA is trying to get others on board to make it a broader movement. Similar issues early recruiting concerns exist in men's and women's soccer, field hockey, volleyball and, of course, men's lacrosse.
"It's in discussion," said Princeton men's lacrosse coach Chris Bates, the Division I representative on the IMLCA Board of Directors. "We all probably realize we'd like to do something to stem the tide of what's happening. It's definitely in discussions. It's probably something we will more formally have dialogue and discuss in our December meetings."
The IWLCA would like to see its two proposals in place for the 2016-2017 season. A mandate from the coaches spawned the proposals last year, but the IWLCA has been waiting for the NCAA's moratorium to be lifted so it could confront early recruiting issues before they get worse.
"The cost is kids' experiences," Kimel said. "We're not talking about commodities. We're talking about children and their futures. To have them be in position as teens and pre-teens to consider colleges, I don't think people are confident that will result in a good decision."
Said Corbett: "We are hopeful that the NCAA will work with us on this, that they see this is an issue. The NCAA has stated success in the classroom, field and in life is important. This is part of their mission. We're hoping to partner with them. We're one of the first groups to put forth a rule that can be enforced."
In the meantime, Cox is slimming a narrow list of schools that she could play for, and still hoping that being later than the rest of her teammates won't leave her missing out on a Division I chance.
"I know I have options," Cox said. "I know I'll have the ability to play lacrosse in college or not. It depends how I want to go forward. I'd love to play."



I think it sounds go but in the end its all BS.

If 85% of the coaches want to stop early recruiting than they should just stop it. Just do not do it.

Let the 15 coaches who want to do it continue. The reality is that a very small number of 9th graders have actually been recruited. There may have been a lot of parents reaching out to schools trying to get their kid recruited, sending letters, going to camps, asking to visit the school etc.. but few were "Recruited and Offered a Spot". Rising 10th grade summer saw the recruiting process begin for most.

If you believe that there is going to be a lot of change in who the "Top Players" are from 9th to 11th grade than why does it matter to the coaches who want to wait? Coaches can pass on the kid who stands out in 9th grade because they will fade and others will pass them in 11th grade.

Again, its BS. The coaches know that if they wait they will not get the best players. For the most part, the 9th grade stud will be the stud in 11th grade.

The coaches who work the recruiting trail the hardest will end up with a greater depth of talent in their recruiting classes. (Provided the school is academically and athletically more desirable than most)

The coaches will have to work just as hard during the recruiting process if they want to identify and recruit the top players. The amount of work and the amount of time required to identify and recruit the top players will be the same regardless of the age of the recruit.

The issue of a player being injured does not change, in fact getting injured later in high school would be more difficult to overcome if the recruiting time line was pushed back. The player would have less time to recover.

If the college coaches do not want to watch 8th and 9th graders then they should stop having their "recruiting camps" with young players in attendance. They should also stop watching the girls at the summer tournaments.

- 700 plus girls go on to play D1 lacrosse every year. Only a small percent of those girls are recruited in the 9th grade.

- There are 111 D1 Women's lacrosse programs if 85% of them do not believe in early recruiting they should not do it.

- The college coaches are driving this process. It is not the parents and it is not the club coaches. Parents can't simply call up Maryland or North Carolina and say my daughter would like to commit. The coaches must watch the kids, identify the top talent and then recruit the player and make an offer.

- The Top Players are approached by the Top College Coaches and offered spots and scholarships. It does not go the other way.

I am not a fan of early recruiting but I think most of this article is BS.

Parents of kids who do not get recruited early don't like it because for many it is a reality check. It is tough to argue that your daughter is better than Susie when Maryland, North Carolina, Syracuse and Northwestern are recruiting Susie but not your daughter.

College coaches who do not want to recruit early don't like it because they know they are missing on some of the top players. They are at a competitive disadvantage and they know it.

Coaches are not forced to recruit early and players are not forced to commit.
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Why does early commitment automatically equal living through your kids? Don't get me wrong, there is tons of that going on, but I'm not sure that is always the case. [/quote]

It doesn't but you always have a few jealous losers who can't be happy for anyone who does better than their kid. Have spoken to many an early commit kid when they are in 11-12th grade and rarely if ever do they feel they made the wrong choice , if they did they would just decommit and go elsewhere .Guarantee that most if not all of these "I know what's better for your kid than you do " parents on here feel their kid was over looked so are bitter. Yes my kid was a relatively early commit and could not be happier for her as she enjoyed every second of the recruiting process. [/quote]

Congrats to you and your daughter. Completely agree with your post. The poison is not the parents of the early commits, its not the parents on the sideline, it comes from jealous parents who spew it on the internet. Not every early commit is a black hole, stat padding monster molded by their over the top parents who won't give you the time of day on the sidelines. There are lots of extremely talented, unselfish, team player girls with great parents out there too. If you people out there are stuck on a team with a black hole, that stinks, but don't apply your misery and situation to everyone else. Good luck. [/quote]

Early recruiting is killing the game of lacrosse. Lacrosse was always a great team sport and like many other team sports it teaches you about teamwork, sportsmanship, commitment and may other key qualities.

A report just came out from Boston College about the effects that helicopter parents are having on students in college and their inability to cope or adapt. The same thing is happening in lacrosse. Parents need to understand that it is ok for kids to make mistakes, it ok for kids to lose.

Do I think the NCAA and both coaches associations need to make changes to early recruiting - YES. However, parents can also play their own part and help your daughters (or sons) by slowing the process down. Don't worry about what the girl on your team is doing, worry about yourself. Pick a school because it is a great academic fit for your daughter. A Place she would be happy at if her lax career ended tomorrow. In reality her lax career will most likely end when she graduates unless she goes into coaching or is in the top half of 1 percent of all the players and
plays for Team USA.

So due to early recruiting, we have seen a major shift in the game and how it is played. Instead of playing club lacrosse for the fun of it - parents only care about what are the recruiting chances for their daughter. This in turn makes lacrosse a job and it's not fun anymore. This also changes how the game is played - it turns into a me, me game where "I have to showcase what I can do." Parents feel that the best way their daughter can show case themselves is by scoring goals. How often do you hear on the sidelines - "go to goal, go, go." You don't hear look up - Susie is open - pass the ball. You do it hear that occasionally form Susie's parents who are constantly telling the coaches that know one passes the ball to Susie.

This shift in early recruiting is making parents try to force their kids onto varsity in 7th and 8th grade. Granted their will be the top 1% of layers who can handle this, bit the majority of them can not. So they sit on the varsity bench and wast an entire year where they could have been playing JV or middle school ball and gotten valuable playing experience. Parents will justify this by saying their daughters are getting valuable practice time against varsity level players. However, this is also not true. Many of these kids not only sit on the sidelines during games, but also at practices. How may HS games have you watched where they play 12-14 girls only?

Another part of this problem is the lack of quality coaching both at middle school and high school programs. May of these jobs go to teachers who don't have the necessary experience. We have seen this firsthand in Maryland where girls are told to NOT play on their middle school teams but play on their club teams in a spring league.

All of this is in a push to get their daughters committed early because they will lose their spot. For some of these early recruits (aa small percentage), they may have a dream school, maybe it's their parents alma matter. However, for the overwhelming majority we are asking 13-15 year kids to make a decision on their future where they are not capable of really making this decision. What are these kids shown on their recruiting trips - athletic facilities, fields, locker rooms, fancy training rooms, student athlete learning centers (which are not available to the general student body).

They are introduced to famous athletes to woo them to their respective school. You also have club programs that push certain schools - not because they have their players best academic interests in mind, but schools who can win a championship.

Does and 8th, 9th or 10th grader really know what they want to do with the rest of their life. No. Dod they know which school and which course of study will help them best - no.

Another issue with early recruiting is the problem with the socio economic disparity amongst families. A family for ma a ver wealthy area can afford to send their kids to limitless camps, clinics and campus visits - no matter where they are in the country. A family with lesser or no means can not make those trips. The NCAA makes available 5 paid recruiting trips. However, those are for the players' senior year. That is way too late.

So with all that being said - we have turned lacrosse into a me first sport. Go to any recruiting showcase and watch the ball hogs take over. Go to a summer tournament and listen to the parents scream at their kids to go to goal. Watch parents n the sidelines with stopwatches timing how long their kids have been on the bench and how long they are on the field.

We need to go back to teaching the game to be played the right way - like a team. Some of the greatest players to ever play the game were great because they made the players around them better. That is what great layers do.

We live in a world of helicopter parents. Kids are not allowed to make mistakes - and if the do it is someone else's fault. Let's go back to a time where we need to tell our kids that if they want something bad enough - they need to work for it. They can't just have mommy and daddy fight for it. And lastly to parents, when a college coach asks yourHS or Club Coach - what type of parents are they? What do you want them to say? [/quote]

Great post after the first few sentences it was obvious you weren't from LI you are way too sane.
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Interesting that there are so few comments on the recruiting topic. I guess that means that most of the parents on here really want their kids to commit and commit early. Keep living through your kids.


Why does early commitment automatically equal living through your kids? Don't get me wrong, there is tons of that going on, but I'm not sure that is always the case.


It doesn't but you always have a few jealous losers who can't be happy for anyone who does better than their kid. Have spoken to many an early commit kid when they are in 11-12th grade and rarely if ever do they feel they made the wrong choice , if they did they would just decommit and go elsewhere .Guarantee that most if not all of these "I know what's better for your kid than you do " parents on here feel their kid was over looked so are bitter. Yes my kid was a relatively early commit and could not be happier for her as she enjoyed every second of the recruiting process.


Congrats to you and your daughter. Completely agree with your post. The poison is not the parents of the early commits, its not the parents on the sideline, it comes from jealous parents who spew it on the internet. Not every early commit is a black hole, stat padding monster molded by their over the top parents who won't give you the time of day on the sidelines. There are lots of extremely talented, unselfish, team player girls with great parents out there too. If you people out there are stuck on a team with a black hole, that stinks, but don't apply your misery and situation to everyone else. Good luck.


Have seen both situations. Some where early commitment is all the parents can talk about and if you didn't know any better you would think it's the parents going to college. One even said to me, "When we go to school in a couple years" ... i had to remind him that he wasn't going to school, his daughter was. But have also seen very thoughtful and caring parents try to help their daughters navigate this big decision, and see it work out well for them. Parents and their daughters should get as much information as possible, and make the best decision they can together. For some that may mean committing very early, for others it might mean taking more time. There is no right answer. But there certainly are parents that are tools!


Don't knock early committments, my older daughter would have been very happy to get an early committment but it wasn't in the cards. She watched as all of her friends did committ early and wondered when her turn would come. ( very anxious times for a young lady to have all of her friends have a committment and her not have one) As it turns out she was a late bloomer and eventually found her way to a top program that offered her course of study. It all works out but if my next one is in a position to committ early I wouldn't be against it.


Sounds like your first daughter was trying to keep up with her club friends. That's what is souring so many on the sport. Nobody can play just to play. If you are not being recruited or if playing in college isn't your dream, you are left behind.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
quote]

Why does early commitment automatically equal living through your kids? Don't get me wrong, there is tons of that going on, but I'm not sure that is always the case.


It doesn't but you always have a few jealous losers who can't be happy for anyone who does better than their kid. Have spoken to many an early commit kid when they are in 11-12th grade and rarely if ever do they feel they made the wrong choice , if they did they would just decommit and go elsewhere .Guarantee that most if not all of these "I know what's better for your kid than you do " parents on here feel their kid was over looked so are bitter. Yes my kid was a relatively early commit and could not be happier for her as she enjoyed every second of the recruiting process. [/quote]

Congrats to you and your daughter. Completely agree with your post. The poison is not the parents of the early commits, its not the parents on the sideline, it comes from jealous parents who spew it on the internet. Not every early commit is a black hole, stat padding monster molded by their over the top parents who won't give you the time of day on the sidelines. There are lots of extremely talented, unselfish, team player girls with great parents out there too. If you people out there are stuck on a team with a black hole, that stinks, but don't apply your misery and situation to everyone else. Good luck. [/quote]

Early recruiting is killing the game of lacrosse. Lacrosse was always a great team sport and like many other team sports it teaches you about teamwork, sportsmanship, commitment and may other key qualities.

A report just came out from Boston College about the effects that helicopter parents are having on students in college and their inability to cope or adapt. The same thing is happening in lacrosse. Parents need to understand that it is ok for kids to make mistakes, it ok for kids to lose.

Do I think the NCAA and both coaches associations need to make changes to early recruiting - YES. However, parents can also play their own part and help your daughters (or sons) by slowing the process down. Don't worry about what the girl on your team is doing, worry about yourself. Pick a school because it is a great academic fit for your daughter. A Place she would be happy at if her lax career ended tomorrow. In reality her lax career will most likely end when she graduates unless she goes into coaching or is in the top half of 1 percent of all the players and
plays for Team USA.

So due to early recruiting, we have seen a major shift in the game and how it is played. Instead of playing club lacrosse for the fun of it - parents only care about what are the recruiting chances for their daughter. This in turn makes lacrosse a job and it's not fun anymore. This also changes how the game is played - it turns into a me, me game where "I have to showcase what I can do." Parents feel that the best way their daughter can show case themselves is by scoring goals. How often do you hear on the sidelines - "go to goal, go, go." You don't hear look up - Susie is open - pass the ball. You do it hear that occasionally form Susie's parents who are constantly telling the coaches that know one passes the ball to Susie.

This shift in early recruiting is making parents try to force their kids onto varsity in 7th and 8th grade. Granted their will be the top 1% of layers who can handle this, bit the majority of them can not. So they sit on the varsity bench and wast an entire year where they could have been playing JV or middle school ball and gotten valuable playing experience. Parents will justify this by saying their daughters are getting valuable practice time against varsity level players. However, this is also not true. Many of these kids not only sit on the sidelines during games, but also at practices. How may HS games have you watched where they play 12-14 girls only?

Another part of this problem is the lack of quality coaching both at middle school and high school programs. May of these jobs go to teachers who don't have the necessary experience. We have seen this firsthand in Maryland where girls are told to NOT play on their middle school teams but play on their club teams in a spring league.

All of this is in a push to get their daughters committed early because they will lose their spot. For some of these early recruits (aa small percentage), they may have a dream school, maybe it's their parents alma matter. However, for the overwhelming majority we are asking 13-15 year kids to make a decision on their future where they are not capable of really making this decision. What are these kids shown on their recruiting trips - athletic facilities, fields, locker rooms, fancy training rooms, student athlete learning centers (which are not available to the general student body).

They are introduced to famous athletes to woo them to their respective school. You also have club programs that push certain schools - not because they have their players best academic interests in mind, but schools who can win a championship.

Does and 8th, 9th or 10th grader really know what they want to do with the rest of their life. No. Dod they know which school and which course of study will help them best - no.

Another issue with early recruiting is the problem with the socio economic disparity amongst families. A family for ma a ver wealthy area can afford to send their kids to limitless camps, clinics and campus visits - no matter where they are in the country. A family with lesser or no means can not make those trips. The NCAA makes available 5 paid recruiting trips. However, those are for the players' senior year. That is way too late.

So with all that being said - we have turned lacrosse into a me first sport. Go to any recruiting showcase and watch the ball hogs take over. Go to a summer tournament and listen to the parents scream at their kids to go to goal. Watch parents n the sidelines with stopwatches timing how long their kids have been on the bench and how long they are on the field.

We need to go back to teaching the game to be played the right way - like a team. Some of the greatest players to ever play the game were great because they made the players around them better. That is what great layers do.

We live in a world of helicopter parents. Kids are not allowed to make mistakes - and if the do it is someone else's fault. Let's go back to a time where we need to tell our kids that if they want something bad enough - they need to work for it. They can't just have mommy and daddy fight for it. And lastly to parents, when a college coach asks yourHS or Club Coach - what type of parents are they? What do you want them to say? [/quote]

Great post after the first few sentences it was obvious you weren't from LI you are way too sane. [/quote]

I am from Long Island!!
I understand one of the directors left for the girls program at Igloo. Not sure why. Is this person in addition to the one mentioned above?
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I understand one of the directors left for the girls program at Igloo. Not sure why. Is this person in addition to the one mentioned above?


That is correct. I was told this weekend that in addition to the person that runs operations at Elevate, the director who I believe is also the varsity coach at North Shore also left Elevate and was told she went to Igloo. Can anyone confirm? Also what is with the mass exodus from Elevate?
That is correct. I was told this weekend that in addition to the person that runs operations at Elevate, the director who I believe is also the varsity coach at North Shore also left Elevate and was told she went to Igloo. Can anyone confirm? Also what is with the mass exodus from Elevate?


Looks like North Shore wants to capture its players… dangle a carrot like playing for the NS varsity coach and you attract their players. Also convenient for their players. Win Win for them, builds their club and their HS team… and make some $$$$ in the process.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I understand one of the directors left for the girls program at Igloo. Not sure why. Is this person in addition to the one mentioned above?


That is correct. I was told this weekend that in addition to the person that runs operations at Elevate, the director who I believe is also the varsity coach at North Shore also left Elevate and was told she went to Igloo. Can anyone confirm? Also what is with the mass exodus from Elevate?


There's no mass exodus at elevate, not at least of players... quite the contrary, players are being tossed... perhaps some mgmt doesn't like it!?!? My take would be Elevate is trying to sneak it's way into the upper crust and to do so they are stooping to poaching and other underhanded operations (tryouts that have no bearing on who's going to be a on a team). Also I know for a fact that they are cutting/demoting some long time players that performed well for them for players that may not have even tried out or had good tryouts. Perhaps some of the mgmt isn't crazy about the shift from a loyalty based team to a cut-throat s-bag operation that to which DK is perhaps looking to elevate.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is correct. I was told this weekend that in addition to the person that runs operations at Elevate, the director who I believe is also the varsity coach at North Shore also left Elevate and was told she went to Igloo. Can anyone confirm? Also what is with the mass exodus from Elevate?


Looks like North Shore wants to capture its players… dangle a carrot like playing for the NS varsity coach and you attract their players. Also convenient for their players. Win Win for them, builds their club and their HS team… and make some $$$$ in the process.


Wow, big win for Igloo. Looks like another loss of Elevate, I am sensing a pattern here. Seems like something has changed at Elevate in the last year.
Did the director(s) leave Elevate? If so, who? People posted here that Elevate had tryout numbers that were down and combining teams at older levels. Can someone clarify?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did the director(s) leave Elevate? If so, who? People posted here that Elevate had tryout numbers that were down and combining teams at older levels. Can someone clarify?


I was at Elevate tryouts with my daughter.... I hadn't seen prior tryout years but there were A LOT of girls there compared to the other tryouts we'd attended this year. If those numbers were down I'd be shocked.
Big win for igloo? Are you kidding. If it's MM she did nothing for the 2018 girls. That group was very talented a summer or two ago but she did nothing with them. Came to practice late. Never carried lax stick. Had kids raise their hand for the position they play and counted off the amount needed and they go in. Players not selected from practice performance caus she wasn't there to see them or even know them! Lol
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Big win for igloo? Are you kidding. If it's MM she did nothing for the 2018 girls. That group was very talented a summer or two ago but she did nothing with them. Came to practice late. Never carried lax stick. Had kids raise their hand for the position they play and counted off the amount needed and they go in. Players not selected from practice performance caus she wasn't there to see them or even know them! Lol


MM is a great coach and a prominent coach on LI. I think that it would be hard to coach a team where the director takes over and doesn't allow you to do anything. I also think the motivation for her to excel is hard when coaches don't get paid for their work. Probably the reason why many coaches have left Elevate.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Big win for igloo? Are you kidding. If it's MM she did nothing for the 2018 girls. That group was very talented a summer or two ago but she did nothing with them. Came to practice late. Never carried lax stick. Had kids raise their hand for the position they play and counted off the amount needed and they go in. Players not selected from practice performance caus she wasn't there to see them or even know them! Lol


MM is a great coach and a prominent coach on LI. I think that it would be hard to coach a team where the director takes over and doesn't allow you to do anything. I also think the motivation for her to excel is hard when coaches don't get paid for their work. Probably the reason why many coaches have left Elevate.


I couldn't agree more about MM. She's a terrific coach and outstanding role model for our girls. Igloo is fortunate to have her.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Big win for igloo? Are you kidding. If it's MM she did nothing for the 2018 girls. That group was very talented a summer or two ago but she did nothing with them. Came to practice late. Never carried lax stick. Had kids raise their hand for the position they play and counted off the amount needed and they go in. Players not selected from practice performance caus she wasn't there to see them or even know them! Lol


MM is a great coach and a prominent coach on LI. I think that it would be hard to coach a team where the director takes over and doesn't allow you to do anything. I also think the motivation for her to excel is hard when coaches don't get paid for their work. Probably the reason why many coaches have left Elevate.


I couldn't agree more about MM. She's a terrific coach and outstanding role model for our girls. Igloo is fortunate to have her.


She is a great coach and that is why many of the kids followed her from elevate to igloo. Kids will certainly benefit from having her as a coach and a leader.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Big win for igloo? Are you kidding. If it's MM she did nothing for the 2018 girls. That group was very talented a summer or two ago but she did nothing with them. Came to practice late. Never carried lax stick. Had kids raise their hand for the position they play and counted off the amount needed and they go in. Players not selected from practice performance caus she wasn't there to see them or even know them! Lol


MM is a great coach and a prominent coach on LI. I think that it would be hard to coach a team where the director takes over and doesn't allow you to do anything. I also think the motivation for her to excel is hard when coaches don't get paid for their work. Probably the reason why many coaches have left Elevate.


I couldn't agree more about MM. She's a terrific coach and outstanding role model for our girls. Igloo is fortunate to have her.


She is a great coach and that is why many of the kids followed her from elevate to igloo. Kids will certainly benefit from having her as a coach and a leader.


I'm sure she is a great coach when she applies herself, but the fact that she didn't even come to half of my daughter's practice or tournaments the past two years was very disappointing. She did apologize to our team (I believe she missed often for weddings), but why sign up for something that you can't commit to? I'm sure Igloo is an easier choice for her because they don't travel. I hope she'll be more committed to this program.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Big win for igloo? Are you kidding. If it's MM she did nothing for the 2018 girls. That group was very talented a summer or two ago but she did nothing with them. Came to practice late. Never carried lax stick. Had kids raise their hand for the position they play and counted off the amount needed and they go in. Players not selected from practice performance caus she wasn't there to see them or even know them! Lol


MM is a great coach and a prominent coach on LI. I think that it would be hard to coach a team where the director takes over and doesn't allow you to do anything. I also think the motivation for her to excel is hard when coaches don't get paid for their work. Probably the reason why many coaches have left Elevate.


I couldn't agree more about MM. She's a terrific coach and outstanding role model for our girls. Igloo is fortunate to have her.


She is a great coach and that is why many of the kids followed her from elevate to igloo. Kids will certainly benefit from having her as a coach and a leader.


I'm sure she is a great coach when she applies herself, but the fact that she didn't even come to half of my daughter's practice or tournaments the past two years was very disappointing. She did apologize to our team (I believe she missed often for weddings), but why sign up for something that you can't commit to? I'm sure Igloo is an easier choice for her because they don't travel. I hope she'll be more committed to this program.


You are absolutely correct, she did not come to your daughters practice's or tournaments the last 2 years. That is probably because 2 years ago she coached 2018 and 2021 blue teams and then last year she was moved to coach the younger elevate teams (since elevate realised how great she was with the younger girls. That said, if your daughter was on 2018 or 2021 MM would not have been there last year, which is most likely why you didn't see her. Sounds like elevate is not communicating very well. You should find out who your daughters coach is this year so you aren't looking for MM again since she is at igloo.
MM is a great coach, sometimes parents don't realize the inner workings of a situation. I'm not claiming this was the issue or not, but I would love to give you and idea of what could be a issue; one if a coaching is coaching multiple teams, then their will be conflicts unless the directors ensure there will be none. Secondly, coaches don't coach so well if they are being mistreated or devalued. Also if a coach doesn't receive their checks for coaching; I don't know how motivated they are to come back year after year; or if they have to wait entire year to get their checks. Also if coaches are left to fend for themselves with practice fields, times and scheduling then they can have issues with holding practices. This is where a good organization will schedule everything, and the coach just shows up and does what he or she does best.
Is there a chink in the Yellow Jacket shield? Tryouts seemed a little down and rumblings about some kids going elsewhere looking for more playing time. I wouldn't be surprised. If you can't crack a top team or get on the field you should go somewhere else for a fresh start. Anyone know how many teams 2020 will have?
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Is there a chink in the Yellow Jacket shield? Tryouts seemed a little down and rumblings about some kids going elsewhere looking for more playing time. I wouldn't be surprised. If you can't crack a top team or get on the field you should go somewhere else for a fresh start. Anyone know how many teams 2020 will have?


Cant imagine at this stage that there are a lot of girls that have NOT registered with other programs....?... may explain dearth of girls at tryouts...?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there a chink in the Yellow Jacket shield? Tryouts seemed a little down and rumblings about some kids going elsewhere looking for more playing time. I wouldn't be surprised. If you can't crack a top team or get on the field you should go somewhere else for a fresh start. Anyone know how many teams 2020 will have?
I'm sure Legacy, Liberty TG Black and others wouldn't mind getting a piece of any Curcio or Jones girls who may be upset with placement or playing time.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there a chink in the Yellow Jacket shield? Tryouts seemed a little down and rumblings about some kids going elsewhere looking for more playing time. I wouldn't be surprised. If you can't crack a top team or get on the field you should go somewhere else for a fresh start. Anyone know how many teams 2020 will have?


I think there's a formula for that:
(# of 2020 families with open checkbooks + leftover checks from 2021 families) / 26 girls per team = # of teams
4 teams. First 2 will be better than most. 3&4 will be a bit shaky
[/quote]I'm sure Legacy, Liberty TG Black and others wouldn't mind getting a piece of any Curcio or Jones girls who may be upset with placement or playing time. [/quote]

yeah because their $2k+ is so much better than the other 40+ girls $2k+....all about the benjamins baby..
So YJ's lost two teams???
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So YJ's lost two teams???


Can't speak for 2020 but 2021 must have had close to 100 with 15 new players.
Numbers did not look down to me but would also say not much depth of talent below the first 2 teams.. Will be interesting to see if they have enough to add a fourth team next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there a chink in the Yellow Jacket shield? Tryouts seemed a little down and rumblings about some kids going elsewhere looking for more playing time. I wouldn't be surprised. If you can't crack a top team or get on the field you should go somewhere else for a fresh start. Anyone know how many teams 2020 will have?
I'm sure Legacy, Liberty TG Black and others wouldn't mind getting a piece of any Curcio or Jones girls who may be upset with placement or playing time.


Don't kid yourself, there are rumblings every year on every team but for every girl that leaves there someone eager to take her spot. Heard it all, poor coaching, not enough playing time, girl moves down a team, girl feels she should have moved up, friends and family connection blah blah blah. Funny thing is if you have been doing this long enough it's the same nonsense on every other team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there a chink in the Yellow Jacket shield? Tryouts seemed a little down and rumblings about some kids going elsewhere looking for more playing time. I wouldn't be surprised. If you can't crack a top team or get on the field you should go somewhere else for a fresh start. Anyone know how many teams 2020 will have?
I'm sure Legacy, Liberty TG Black and others wouldn't mind getting a piece of any Curcio or Jones girls who may be upset with placement or playing time.


Don't kid yourself, there are rumblings every year on every team but for every girl that leaves there someone eager to take her spot. Heard it all, poor coaching, not enough playing time, girl moves down a team, girl feels she should have moved up, friends and family connection blah blah blah. Funny thing is if you have been doing this long enough it's the same nonsense on every other team.


Did they go from 6 to 4 teams like an earlier post said? If that's true it would be more than rumblings. It would mean they lost a third of their teams.
Down is down PERIOD. Consumers chose to go somewhere else or left the game. Either is hit for the YJ's. You are either growing, holding or declining. YJ's went from growing to holding and now declining.
They are going from 5 to 4. The 5th team was a 2020/2021 team anyway so really, there is not much of a change at all.
Top teams are not on the decline. They got better, 2020 dropped one team and now they have four. Bunch of kids from 3rd and 4th left but blue will not miss a beat
You guys are so desperate its funny. If they had 6 teams at the age group again you would all be attacking them for calling themselves elite, now they have 4 so they are declining. If you look at it realistically YJ top team will easily be the best team on Long Island ,the best kids want to play on that team and only that team. Yj second team is equal to other LI clubs top team.They may have lost some of the lower level team players but again the best kids want to play for the best team.Talk about on the decline you should probably be looking else where.
Agree completely!...I hope that folks are starting to see the big picture, that just throwing good money at these programs for fancy swag and crappy coaching does nothing for their daughters...it is such a cash cow that has gotten soooo out of control. The only response parents have is to let their feet do the talking and either go elsewhere or just stick to something else. That is why programs like Liberty, Legacy and some smaller programs are becoming so attractive. They only have 2 teams at each level..thus insuring that that at least the girls who are in the program are not just gravy and funding the other teams.
To quote Bernie Sanders, a revolution is needed!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Down is down PERIOD. Consumers chose to go somewhere else or left the game. Either is hit for the YJ's. You are either growing, holding or declining. YJ's went from growing to holding and now declining.

You're basing your comment on one age group when other are increasing (and decreasing). If you could quote total enrollment for this year compared to last year you may have some validity but you didn't so it's just hearsay at this point.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You guys are so desperate its funny. If they had 6 teams at the age group again you would all be attacking them for calling themselves elite, now they have 4 so they are declining. If you look at it realistically YJ top team will easily be the best team on Long Island ,the best kids want to play on that team and only that team. Yj second team is equal to other LI clubs top team.They may have lost some of the lower level team players but again the best kids want to play for the best team.Talk about on the decline you should probably be looking else where.


Missing the point...they are leaving because of the short bench in games!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You guys are so desperate its funny. If they had 6 teams at the age group again you would all be attacking them for calling themselves elite, now they have 4 so they are declining. If you look at it realistically YJ top team will easily be the best team on Long Island ,the best kids want to play on that team and only that team. Yj second team is equal to other LI clubs top team.They may have lost some of the lower level team players but again the best kids want to play for the best team.Talk about on the decline you should probably be looking else where.
personally I really couldn't care if they had 6 teams in the age group. everyone knows the talent will be and is stacked on that first team. That's great, good luck to them. Girls who are snubbed by the first team who still have very good talent could choose to play with the second team or maybe go elsewhere and help another top team compete. all their choice, and it's good to have choices. I'm surprised girls that have moved down from the 1st and second team of YJ the past haven't chosen other squads like Legacy and TG. The one girl left YJ Blue I think last year and did quite well with legacy, are there others that will choose similar paths?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You guys are so desperate its funny. If they had 6 teams at the age group again you would all be attacking them for calling themselves elite, now they have 4 so they are declining. If you look at it realistically YJ top team will easily be the best team on Long Island ,the best kids want to play on that team and only that team. Yj second team is equal to other LI clubs top team.They may have lost some of the lower level team players but again the best kids want to play for the best team.Talk about on the decline you should probably be looking else where.


Missing the point...they are leaving because of the short bench in games!


Actually you are missing the point , its not the kids from the top teams that are leaving .The bottom teams do not shorten the bench. The top team in this age group plays everyone equal for the most part, they can do this as they are very deep and are midfield driven with the best midfielders in the age group by far.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You guys are so desperate its funny. If they had 6 teams at the age group again you would all be attacking them for calling themselves elite, now they have 4 so they are declining. If you look at it realistically YJ top team will easily be the best team on Long Island ,the best kids want to play on that team and only that team. Yj second team is equal to other LI clubs top team.They may have lost some of the lower level team players but again the best kids want to play for the best team.Talk about on the decline you should probably be looking else where.


Missing the point...they are leaving because of the short bench in games!


Actually you are missing the point , its not the kids from the top teams that are leaving .The bottom teams do not shorten the bench. The top team in this age group plays everyone equal for the most part, they can do this as they are very deep and are midfield driven with the best midfielders in the age group by far.


Not in big games..bench is very short
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Down is down PERIOD. Consumers chose to go somewhere else or left the game. Either is hit for the YJ's. You are either growing, holding or declining. YJ's went from growing to holding and now declining.

You're basing your comment on one age group when other are increasing (and decreasing). If you could quote total enrollment for this year compared to last year you may have some validity but you didn't so it's just hearsay at this point.

this is the 2020 thread
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Down is down PERIOD. Consumers chose to go somewhere else or left the game. Either is hit for the YJ's. You are either growing, holding or declining. YJ's went from growing to holding and now declining.

You're basing your comment on one age group when other are increasing (and decreasing). If you could quote total enrollment for this year compared to last year you may have some validity but you didn't so it's just hearsay at this point.

this is the 2020 thread


For 2020 how could you call YJ down? A couple years ago TG had the top team in this age group. Several changes made for last summers age group and YJ was clearly the top team from LI. Even more changes this year and it is a runaway. Top team is getting progressively stronger and "growing" every year. Sounds "UP" to me.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there a chink in the Yellow Jacket shield? Tryouts seemed a little down and rumblings about some kids going elsewhere looking for more playing time. I wouldn't be surprised. If you can't crack a top team or get on the field you should go somewhere else for a fresh start. Anyone know how many teams 2020 will have?


as many as possible
Watch out for this Cobra Kai 2020 team, I saw them mopping up yellow jackets in Farmingdale a few weeks ago. Then I saw them being promoted on MSG Quick Hits of all places. I think they said they were from Suffern
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watch out for this Cobra Kai 2020 team, I saw them mopping up yellow jackets in Farmingdale a few weeks ago. Then I saw them being promoted on MSG Quick Hits of all places. I think they said they were from Suffern


If this is accurate you would need to know which of the (5) YJ 2020 teams played. Competition is a great motivator good for Cobra Kai best of luck!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You guys are so desperate its funny. If they had 6 teams at the age group again you would all be attacking them for calling themselves elite, now they have 4 so they are declining. If you look at it realistically YJ top team will easily be the best team on Long Island ,the best kids want to play on that team and only that team. Yj second team is equal to other LI clubs top team.They may have lost some of the lower level team players but again the best kids want to play for the best team.Talk about on the decline you should probably be looking else where.


Missing the point...they are leaving because of the short bench in games!


Actually you are missing the point , its not the kids from the top teams that are leaving .The bottom teams do not shorten the bench. The top team in this age group plays everyone equal for the most part, they can do this as they are very deep and are midfield driven with the best midfielders in the age group by far.


Not in big games..bench is very short


Its not even worth arguing the point with you as you have no idea what you are talking about .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You guys are so desperate its funny. If they had 6 teams at the age group again you would all be attacking them for calling themselves elite, now they have 4 so they are declining. If you look at it realistically YJ top team will easily be the best team on Long Island ,the best kids want to play on that team and only that team. Yj second team is equal to other LI clubs top team.They may have lost some of the lower level team players but again the best kids want to play for the best team.Talk about on the decline you should probably be looking else where.


Missing the point...they are leaving because of the short bench in games!


Actually you are missing the point , its not the kids from the top teams that are leaving .The bottom teams do not shorten the bench. The top team in this age group plays everyone equal for the most part, they can do this as they are very deep and are midfield driven with the best midfielders in the age group by far.


Not in big games..bench is very short


Its not even worth arguing the point with you as you have no idea what you are talking about .


Should be interesting....there is only one ball.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You guys are so desperate its funny. If they had 6 teams at the age group again you would all be attacking them for calling themselves elite, now they have 4 so they are declining. If you look at it realistically YJ top team will easily be the best team on Long Island ,the best kids want to play on that team and only that team. Yj second team is equal to other LI clubs top team.They may have lost some of the lower level team players but again the best kids want to play for the best team.Talk about on the decline you should probably be looking else where.


Missing the point...they are leaving because of the short bench in games!


Actually you are missing the point , its not the kids from the top teams that are leaving .The bottom teams do not shorten the bench. The top team in this age group plays everyone equal for the most part, they can do this as they are very deep and are midfield driven with the best midfielders in the age group by far.


This is so far off, it's ridiculous. The top team doesn't sub anyone in the tough games. They ride their top players and everyone else watches. 2nd line middies move to defense and attack and the others watch and cheer. In the other, non-competitive games, everyone plays equally. The parents have been told this and accept this. There are plenty of girls in this age group on other teams that are better than the bottom half of their roster. And quite honestly, they're probably better off.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You guys are so desperate its funny. If they had 6 teams at the age group again you would all be attacking them for calling themselves elite, now they have 4 so they are declining. If you look at it realistically YJ top team will easily be the best team on Long Island ,the best kids want to play on that team and only that team. Yj second team is equal to other LI clubs top team.They may have lost some of the lower level team players but again the best kids want to play for the best team.Talk about on the decline you should probably be looking else where.


Missing the point...they are leaving because of the short bench in games!


Actually you are missing the point , its not the kids from the top teams that are leaving .The bottom teams do not shorten the bench. The top team in this age group plays everyone equal for the most part, they can do this as they are very deep and are midfield driven with the best midfielders in the age group by far.


This is so far off, it's ridiculous. The top team doesn't sub anyone in the tough games. They ride their top players and everyone else watches. 2nd line middies move to defense and attack and the others watch and cheer. In the other, non-competitive games, everyone plays equally. The parents have been told this and accept this. There are plenty of girls in this age group on other teams that are better than the bottom half of their roster. And quite honestly, they're probably better off.


not probably...they are better off...Just ask anyone who left!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Down is down PERIOD. Consumers chose to go somewhere else or left the game. Either is hit for the YJ's. You are either growing, holding or declining. YJ's went from growing to holding and now declining.

You're basing your comment on one age group when other are increasing (and decreasing). If you could quote total enrollment for this year compared to last year you may have some validity but you didn't so it's just hearsay at this point.

this is the 2020 thread


For 2020 how could you call YJ down? A couple years ago TG had the top team in this age group. Several changes made for last summers age group and YJ was clearly the top team from LI. Even more changes this year and it is a runaway. Top team is getting progressively stronger and "growing" every year. Sounds "UP" to me

Is TG even in the top 3?
1 YJ
2 Legacy
correct..the YJ girls who have found homes at Elevate, TG and Liberty are , I would guess, estatic
I see Legacy's name a lot on this thread. Does anyone know how Legacy did at the tournaments this past summer? Hard facts please: tourneys played, who did they play, wins, losses, championships? What top tier teams did they face and how did they do, i.e. M&D, Heroes, SW, TLC, YJ Blue, Liberty Black, Elevate Blue, TG Black.
if you are on Curcios team and never see the field in big games how do you expect your daughter to get recruited? When coaches show up they want to see you play in crunch time not standing on the sidelines cheering with your war paint on
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if you are on Curcios team and never see the field in big games how do you expect your daughter to get recruited? When coaches show up they want to see you play in crunch time not standing on the sidelines cheering with your war paint on


you are correct, but I will also add that as these girls get older the tournements become more "Showcases" and less "Championship"
Wins and losses dont matter as much. committed girls attend fewer tournaments opening up the field to those who are not.
I would think the girls would even work harder to try and be that one on the field at crunch time. Practice pays off... the girls on them field at some point worked hard than the girls on the bench. But YJ is very clear to reward talent and effort. Maybe a reality check for some.... and look in mirror and say I have to work harder.... don't blame coach or program.... in other words OWN it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if you are on Curcios team and never see the field in big games how do you expect your daughter to get recruited? When coaches show up they want to see you play in crunch time not standing on the sidelines cheering with your war paint on


The coaches always do show up to see the top YJ teams, and its not always to the short bench games, so there will be plenty of opportunity for kids to get seen. Another option may be to go play for another club/team where you are now the go to player in crunch time. This would obviously be a much weaker team, would the coaches ever show up? That's the hard choice here, the answer will be different for different people.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if you are on Curcios team and never see the field in big games how do you expect your daughter to get recruited? When coaches show up they want to see you play in crunch time not standing on the sidelines cheering with your war paint on


The coaches always do show up to see the top YJ teams, and its not always to the short bench games, so there will be plenty of opportunity for kids to get seen. Another option may be to go play for another club/team where you are now the go to player in crunch time. This would obviously be a much weaker team, would the coaches ever show up? That's the hard choice here, the answer will be different for different people.


Much weaker? One minute someone is saying that the whole team is stacked. Next minute, if a girl leaves, she can only be the go to girl on a much weaker team. Which one is it?

Do you honestly think that coaches will only go see YJ Blue? Please. Many kids get recruited by many different schools, not just YJ. My older daughter is playing for a mid D1, the school that she wanted. She sent an email and the coaches came and saw. Wasn't as complicated as many travel directors would like you to think. They requested that she attend a clinic at the school and the rest is history. Granted that she wasn't interested in the Marylands of the world. But then again most schools aren't in that position.
Coaches recruit players not teams. If you contact they will come. If your daughter can play they will know , doesn't matter yj blue
Tg black or Joes lacrosse team from memphis a player is a player. Coaches recruit players
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if you are on Curcios team and never see the field in big games how do you expect your daughter to get recruited? When coaches show up they want to see you play in crunch time not standing on the sidelines cheering with your war paint on


The coaches always do show up to see the top YJ teams, and its not always to the short bench games, so there will be plenty of opportunity for kids to get seen. Another option may be to go play for another club/team where you are now the go to player in crunch time. This would obviously be a much weaker team, would the coaches ever show up? That's the hard choice here, the answer will be different for different people.


Much weaker? One minute someone is saying that the whole team is stacked. Next minute, if a girl leaves, she can only be the go to girl on a much weaker team. Which one is it?

Do you honestly think that coaches will only go see YJ Blue? Please. Many kids get recruited by many different schools, not just YJ. My older daughter is playing for a mid D1, the school that she wanted. She sent an email and the coaches came and saw. Wasn't as complicated as many travel directors would like you to think. They requested that she attend a clinic at the school and the rest is history. Granted that she wasn't interested in the Marylands of the world. But then again most schools aren't in that position.


Completely agree. In fact, if you have a short list of desired schools, the camp/clinic at that school is the best way, by far, to be noticed. Way better than a coach coming to watch a tournament game. They get to work with the player directly, sometimes over multiple days. They get to know more about their personality and work ethic, and it shows them how truly interested the player is in their school. The tournament thing and the emphasis by some clubs on promoting their championships as a way to prove recruiting prowess is nonsense. The reason why YJ Blue girls get recruited is because they r great athletes and players. But the reason they are great athletes and players has very little to do w YJ. They likely would be that wherever they played. It reminds me of an IMG academy director I met in another sport. He said "We get 100 players come through here each year. 90 of them are what they are. With the ten truly great ones, if we haven't screwed them up by the time they leave we have done our job."

If the girls are good, they will find their way to the college that fits.
GO back to the "coaches recruit players" comment which is spot on. So why would you ever sit quietly on the end of anyone's bench even if it is the best team?

You need to play and be on the field. You are right again that coaches will come but what you don't say is they come when they can and stay for as long as they can. If they show for a game that you're buried on the bench you are screwed. Coaches don't care that your team won the tournament only parents and directors care about that.

Its actually better for you to be a starter on Jones than #25 on Curcio.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
GO back to the "coaches recruit players" comment which is spot on. So why would you ever sit quietly on the end of anyone's bench even if it is the best team?

You need to play and be on the field. You are right again that coaches will come but what you don't say is they come when they can and stay for as long as they can. If they show for a game that you're buried on the bench you are screwed. Coaches don't care that your team won the tournament only parents and directors care about that.

Its actually better for you to be a starter on Jones than #25 on Curcio.


Make that #26
The jealousy of the top team in the country is so transparent. First I know that in 9 out of 10 games they play ,playing time is equal, in that other game some kids do play more than others but all get in.Second ,the team will be so stacked this year that equal playing time will almost be a given as I do not see too many teams that are going to keep it close .Third, the reason they do not want to switch to another club at this point they are the only true A level team left on Long Island .The next closest thing is a new club that essentially has been built upon disgruntled B team players ( I believe they will easily be the second best team in age group on LI this year as their coach is very good).Where would you want them to go to Liberty, Elevate,who are non competitive, or go to TG who now has a team that will be awful. If you want to go to Towson or Hofstra then TG is definitely the place to go as 14 of the last 25 commitments are to one of those schools.
the King has spoken, all hail the King...
Originally Posted by anonomous
the King has spoken, all hail the King...



hahahaha.. but hey, it might just be the "Queen".
LOL...true...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The jealousy of the top team in the country is so transparent. First I know that in 9 out of 10 games they play ,playing time is equal, in that other game some kids do play more than others but all get in.Second ,the team will be so stacked this year that equal playing time will almost be a given as I do not see too many teams that are going to keep it close .Third, the reason they do not want to switch to another club at this point they are the only true A level team left on Long Island .The next closest thing is a new club that essentially has been built upon disgruntled B team players ( I believe they will easily be the second best team in age group on LI this year as their coach is very good).Where would you want them to go to Liberty, Elevate,who are non competitive, or go to TG who now has a team that will be awful. If you want to go to Towson or Hofstra then TG is definitely the place to go as 14 of the last 25 commitments are to one of those schools.


didn't really see any jealously - poster said you need to be on the field and many on this team contrary to your PR press release are not.
you sit around the house in your YJ jammies writing this dribble?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The jealousy of the top team in the country is so transparent. First I know that in 9 out of 10 games they play ,playing time is equal, in that other game some kids do play more than others but all get in.Second ,the team will be so stacked this year that equal playing time will almost be a given as I do not see too many teams that are going to keep it close .Third, the reason they do not want to switch to another club at this point they are the only true A level team left on Long Island .The next closest thing is a new club that essentially has been built upon disgruntled B team players ( I believe they will easily be the second best team in age group on LI this year as their coach is very good).Where would you want them to go to Liberty, Elevate,who are non competitive, or go to TG who now has a team that will be awful. If you want to go to Towson or Hofstra then TG is definitely the place to go as 14 of the last 25 commitments are to one of those schools.


Thank you for summarizing all 2020 for us. So, there you have it if your daughter is not one of the 26 YJ Blue players go home and tell her to put down her stick! There is no point for her to even play. The above poster is all knowing and apparently can see into the future and knows how each 2020 team will do next summer!
Legacy 2nd best team. Thanks Mr or Mrs. Lax. YJ 2nd team pretty good also. Let's see how summer goes before you give them that title
I am guessing that he/she is first one in lobby of hotel before anyone else for breakfast, sporting the latest in YJ swag--just like the coaches wear..first one to the tent with fruit dish or home baked cookies...has the chair at midfield all day...prob with a YJ "My daughter is on YJ Blue team" bumper sticker.. jumps up and down during games....then drinks his/her beer later at the hotel bar real slow so he/she doesn't have to reach into the pocket to get next round..
Now that's funny and accurate. Im actually a YJ parent and agree with your last post. Don't forget the blanket.. some even wrap themselves in YJ blankets when it is 70 degrees out. Thanks for the laugh.
The blankets are everywhere, football & cheer games, soccer and I even saw one indoors last year at volleyball.

It's like the girl from the movie bridesmaids - You feel sick, NOPE. YJ mommy, you look hot (and not in that way) NOPE, I am just required to have the blanket on at all times regardless of the temperature
"Legacy 2nd best team."

… Ba Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!! That's a joke right?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Legacy 2nd best team."

… Ba Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!! That's a joke right?


I think I might agree with them. Certainly a case can be made especially after the dust settles on player movement this year. Explain why you think this is a joke?
How is the coaching turnout in Maryland this weekend? Everyone knows the list of coaches attending is always over inflated but there is usually a pretty good showing.
How are the teams doing today in Maryland?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is the coaching turnout in Maryland this weekend? Everyone knows the list of coaches attending is always over inflated but there is usually a pretty good showing.


I am pretty sure most college teams were playing this weekend. Loyola is hosting today as well as Penn State. Doesn't seem as if it would be a good weekend for exposure to coaches. Duke, UNC, Florida all playing in North Carolina.
D1 and D2 can only evaluate and recruit on the 3 weekends in November
How are the YJ doing at this tourney?
Don't ask
Why did they not do well? I thought this team was stacked.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't ask


Does that mean they did well and you don't want to hear about it; or did someone start humming " We are the Champions" just a little too soon?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't ask


Not sure what that means. They lost to a very good Hero's team their first game. The field was slick and there was a lot of slipping and sliding. Goalie was great, kept them in the game but they couldn't transition the ball down the field and score. The other three games they won by a margin of 15 points or more each.
If Curcio was there things would have been different.
PAL at its best!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Curcio was there things would have been different.
PAL at its best!!!!


Were you even there?? Beating teams 20-1 isn't PAL, these girls are good!
What teams did you beat?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Curcio was there things would have been different.
PAL at its best!!!!


Were you even there?? Beating teams 20-1 isn't PAL, these girls are good!


Beating anyone 20-1 is BUSH and thumping your chest makes you a TOOL! Stat padding, the YJ way...
What teams did you beat ?
What was the score the Heroes game? 35-20 lol
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't ask


Not sure what that means. They lost to a very good Hero's team their first game. The field was slick and there was a lot of slipping and sliding. Goalie was great, kept them in the game but they couldn't transition the ball down the field and score. The other three games they won by a margin of 15 points or more each.


Was this even the full Curcio team or a mix of girls from the 4 2020 teams? I know the 2021 team was a mixture and got handled 14-6 by M&D. Can't expect a mixed team to come down and compete with Hero's Green.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't ask


Does that mean they did well and you don't want to hear about it; or did someone start humming " We are the Champions" just a little too soon?


Grass isn't greener?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The jealousy of the top team in the country is so transparent. First I know that in 9 out of 10 games they play ,playing time is equal, in that other game some kids do play more than others but all get in.Second ,the team will be so stacked this year that equal playing time will almost be a given as I do not see too many teams that are going to keep it close .Third, the reason they do not want to switch to another club at this point they are the only true A level team left on Long Island .The next closest thing is a new club that essentially has been built upon disgruntled B team players ( I believe they will easily be the second best team in age group on LI this year as their coach is very good).Where would you want them to go to Liberty, Elevate,who are non competitive, or go to TG who now has a team that will be awful. If you want to go to Towson or Hofstra then TG is definitely the place to go as 14 of the last 25 commitments are to one of those schools.



Karma
i dont know if coaching would have helped or not. Combo team or not they ran into a buzz saw known as 2020 Heros green. You better bring your A game when playing 2020 green heros. By the way the field was slippery for both teams. that was the first game the 2020 heros green played together this fall.
2 very good kids were not there and only 2 from other 2020 teams. We had almost everyone else on blue and didn't play well at all
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i dont know if coaching would have helped or not. Combo team or not they ran into a buzz saw known as 2020 Heros green. You better bring your A game when playing 2020 green heros. By the way the field was slippery for both teams. that was the first game the 2020 heros green played together this fall.


I'm not a YJ parent. In fact I'm from MD. But thumping your chest after beating a mixed YJ team seems a little much. Show some class Hero's...There will be a lot of games played next summer between YJ, Heros and M&D. There will be a lot of games this fall between Heros and M&D. When all that is over, if Heros has proven to be the best, then go ahead and talk all you want. Last year Curcio was the best team. We will see what happens this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2 very good kids were not there and only 2 from other 2020 teams. We had almost everyone else on blue and didn't play well at all


That's very honest of you. Lot of games to be played throughout the year.

Heros parents at all ages have been talking a lot of trash since Bitmore folded and Heros grabbed their top players. Looking forward to seeing if they can back up the talk at the 2020 and 2021 ages.
no disrespect was intended on my previous post and was not thumping my chest. YJ has a great team and always will. it is always great to play good competitive teams, then you can gauge how good your team really is. i believe Heros 2020 split with YJ winning the m & d tournament and losing to YJ in the championship game at Lax for the cure. By the way Heros 2020 added 3 girls and none were from Bitmore.
Not a YJ thing but any team that beats up on teams 20-1 has to expect everyone else watching hopes they get their asses kicked. Hard to root for teams that do that to weaker teams. Sorry
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a YJ thing but any team that beats up on teams 20-1 has to expect everyone else watching hopes they get their asses kicked. Hard to root for teams that do that to weaker teams. Sorry


Those games suck on both sides. If the winning team has girls playing in different positions, using their off hands, making 5 passes or more before they shoot, what else do you want them to do. Is there no blame on the club director of the losing team for putting his/her team in that situation? Is it always the responsibility of the better team to throw the ball in a circle for 20 minutes? Everyone pays money to be in these tournaments. If the team can work on things to improve and that leads to goals, what else can they do? 20-1 games happen sometimes. It doesn't mean the winning team was necessarily being classless.
To be precise, YJ was 3-1 against Hero's last year. That was there only loss. They split games at M&D tournament and won pool play and final at Lax for the Cure. Expect lots of competitive games moving forward.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
no disrespect was intended on my previous post and was not thumping my chest. YJ has a great team and always will. it is always great to play good competitive teams, then you can gauge how good your team really is. i believe Heros 2020 split with YJ winning the m & d tournament and losing to YJ in the championship game at Lax for the cure. By the way Heros 2020 added 3 girls and none were from Bitmore.

I believe Heroes green and YJ Curcio played 3 times last year with YJ taking 2 of the 3 . Each game was highly competitive and obviously should be so again .Those two teams are going to be involved in some great games in the future.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a YJ thing but any team that beats up on teams 20-1 has to expect everyone else watching hopes they get their asses kicked. Hard to root for teams that do that to weaker teams. Sorry


Those games suck on both sides. If the winning team has girls playing in different positions, using their off hands, making 5 passes or more before they shoot, what else do you want them to do. Is there no blame on the club director of the losing team for putting his/her team in that situation? Is it always the responsibility of the better team to throw the ball in a circle for 20 minutes? Everyone pays money to be in these tournaments. If the team can work on things to improve and that leads to goals, what else can they do? 20-1 games happen sometimes. It doesn't mean the winning team was necessarily being classless.


If anyone had 4 or more goals your argument doesn't hold water and in travel games mom and dad always say go to goal so I am betting the studs racked up a bunch of points before passing it around. Coach knows in the first 5 minutes what type of game it is going to be. No excuses
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a YJ thing but any team that beats up on teams 20-1 has to expect everyone else watching hopes they get their asses kicked. Hard to root for teams that do that to weaker teams. Sorry


Those games suck on both sides. If the winning team has girls playing in different positions, using their off hands, making 5 passes or more before they shoot, what else do you want them to do. Is there no blame on the club director of the losing team for putting his/her team in that situation? Is it always the responsibility of the better team to throw the ball in a circle for 20 minutes? Everyone pays money to be in these tournaments. If the team can work on things to improve and that leads to goals, what else can they do? 20-1 games happen sometimes. It doesn't mean the winning team was necessarily being classless.


If anyone had 4 or more goals your argument doesn't hold water and in travel games mom and dad always say go to goal so I am betting the studs racked up a bunch of points before passing it around. Coach knows in the first 5 minutes what type of game it is going to be. No excuses


In our game this weekend that ended up 19-1, 14 girls scored. Including everyone that usually plays defense and doesn't usually get the opportunity. We have been in games where our goalies play attack and have scored. Not sure what else you want to coaches to do.
YJ won 3 out of 4 last year against Heros and were 4-0 vs M&D. Heros games were very competitive. Less so against M&D.
YJs also beat Legacy 8-5 And TG 3-2
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a YJ thing but any team that beats up on teams 20-1 has to expect everyone else watching hopes they get their asses kicked. Hard to root for teams that do that to weaker teams. Sorry


Those games suck on both sides. If the winning team has girls playing in different positions, using their off hands, making 5 passes or more before they shoot, what else do you want them to do. Is there no blame on the club director of the losing team for putting his/her team in that situation? Is it always the responsibility of the better team to throw the ball in a circle for 20 minutes? Everyone pays money to be in these tournaments. If the team can work on things to improve and that leads to goals, what else can they do? 20-1 games happen sometimes. It doesn't mean the winning team was necessarily being classless.


If anyone had 4 or more goals your argument doesn't hold water and in travel games mom and dad always say go to goal so I am betting the studs racked up a bunch of points before passing it around. Coach knows in the first 5 minutes what type of game it is going to be. No excuses


In our game this weekend that ended up 19-1, 14 girls scored. Including everyone that usually plays defense and doesn't usually get the opportunity. We have been in games where our goalies play attack and have scored. Not sure what else you want to coaches to do.


What about shoot at goalie and work on transition from D to O. Doesn't have to be keep away. But we know, you paid for travel, your kid is a stud, and they shouldn't give out trophies for 2nd place so beat down 12 and 13 year overmatched girls
[quote=Anonymous]YJs also beat Legacy 8-5 And TG 3-2

The Legacy game was not as close as the score would indicate
Originally Posted by Anonymous
YJs also beat Legacy 8-5 And TG 3-2


And your point is???
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]YJs also beat Legacy 8-5 And TG 3-2

The Legacy game was not as close as the score would indicate


true...Legacy went up 3-0 and was a tie 4-4 at half

not bad for first big game together
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't ask


Not sure what that means. They lost to a very good Hero's team their first game. The field was slick and there was a lot of slipping and sliding. Goalie was great, kept them in the game but they couldn't transition the ball down the field and score. The other three games they won by a margin of 15 points or more each.


wasn't the other team playing on the same field?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Don't ask


Not sure what that means. They lost to a very good Hero's team their first game. The field was slick and there was a lot of slipping and sliding. Goalie was great, kept them in the game but they couldn't transition the ball down the field and score. The other three games they won by a margin of 15 points or more each. [/

Was this even the full Curcio team or a mix of girls from the 4 2020 teams? I know the 2021 team was a mixture and got handled 14-6 by M&D. Can't expect a mixed team to come down and compete with Hero's Green.


This is why the roster needs to be capped at 18 field players and two goalies. F&F and the bottom half of the roster will kill you in tight games
Originally Posted by Anonymous
YJ won 3 out of 4 last year against Heros and were 4-0 vs M&D. Heros games were very competitive. Less so against M&D.


That's because the M&D kids are now on heros!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The jealousy of the top team in the country is so transparent. First I know that in 9 out of 10 games they play ,playing time is equal, in that other game some kids do play more than others but all get in.Second ,the team will be so stacked this year that equal playing time will almost be a given as I do not see too many teams that are going to keep it close .Third, the reason they do not want to switch to another club at this point they are the only true A level team left on Long Island .The next closest thing is a new club that essentially has been built upon disgruntled B team players ( I believe they will easily be the second best team in age group on LI this year as their coach is very good).Where would you want them to go to Liberty, Elevate,who are non competitive, or go to TG who now has a team that will be awful. If you want to go to Towson or Hofstra then TG is definitely the place to go as 14 of the last 25 commitments are to one of those schools.


Guess without our better players we are only happy b team players and parents. It's idiots like you who ruin it for everyone else.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
YJ won 3 out of 4 last year against Heros and were 4-0 vs M&D. Heros games were very competitive. Less so against M&D.


That's because the M&D kids are now on heros!


OK. Those kids were cut. They didn't leave by choice.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The jealousy of the top team in the country is so transparent. First I know that in 9 out of 10 games they play ,playing time is equal, in that other game some kids do play more than others but all get in.Second ,the team will be so stacked this year that equal playing time will almost be a given as I do not see too many teams that are going to keep it close .Third, the reason they do not want to switch to another club at this point they are the only true A level team left on Long Island .The next closest thing is a new club that essentially has been built upon disgruntled B team players ( I believe they will easily be the second best team in age group on LI this year as their coach is very good).Where would you want them to go to Liberty, Elevate,who are non competitive, or go to TG who now has a team that will be awful. If you want to go to Towson or Hofstra then TG is definitely the place to go as 14 of the last 25 commitments are to one of those schools.


Guess without our better players we are only happy b team players and parents. It's idiots like you who ruin it for everyone else.


Little early in the day to be hitting the sauce. Exactly what has you so angry ? Do you think you are better than the B team moniker ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The jealousy of the top team in the country is so transparent. First I know that in 9 out of 10 games they play ,playing time is equal, in that other game some kids do play more than others but all get in.Second ,the team will be so stacked this year that equal playing time will almost be a given as I do not see too many teams that are going to keep it close .Third, the reason they do not want to switch to another club at this point they are the only true A level team left on Long Island .The next closest thing is a new club that essentially has been built upon disgruntled B team players ( I believe they will easily be the second best team in age group on LI this year as their coach is very good).Where would you want them to go to Liberty, Elevate,who are non competitive, or go to TG who now has a team that will be awful. If you want to go to Towson or Hofstra then TG is definitely the place to go as 14 of the last 25 commitments are to one of those schools.


Guess without our better players we are only happy b team players and parents. It's idiots like you who ruin it for everyone else.


Little early in the day to be hitting the sauce. Exactly what has you so angry ? Do you think you are better than the B team moniker ?


You do. We lost to hero's without 2 of our better players and you seem to think we have the greatest group ever assembled. Truth is without key players all WE are are BTEAM parents too. Wake up. We will win on the backs of a few kids. That's the truth. Deal with it. Just because our kids on blue doesn't mean anything. People know who can play and who can't. Just ride the wave like everyone else and hope our kids get looks from schools. No need to try and put people down.
sounds like the "cut players" are in a better place. Also with the heros additions should do well for the forseeable future.the reason YJ and Heros are so competitive they play a similar style of game(tough physical) willing to bang not whine.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
sounds like the "cut players" are in a better place. Also with the heros additions should do well for the forseeable future.the reason YJ and Heros are so competitive they play a similar style of game(tough physical) willing to bang not whine.


Not sure what you mean by "better place". If I had to choose between playing for a MIAA varsity coach at M&D and the Heros 2020 coaches I know which I would choose. What was the record between the two teams last spring/summer? Pretty sure M&D still won more.
keep drinking the black and red kool aid. that same team that you speak of in the MIAA got spanked by a PUBLIC school in carroll county last year which ended up being ranked #2 in the nation Manchester Valley. i think the score was 19 or 20 to 5, cant remember but whos counting. I doubt the coach is going to make too much of a difference. i also remember a drubbing 19-2 she took at the hands of Century another PUBLIC school that was nationally ranked at the time a few years ago. By the way the Heros coach check her bio at University of Maryland before you pop off . She was quite the lax star where she played for 4 years and even a better coach!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
keep drinking the black and red kool aid. that same team that you speak of in the MIAA got spanked by a PUBLIC school in carroll county last year which ended up being ranked #2 in the nation Manchester Valley. i think the score was 19 or 20 to 5, cant remember but whos counting. I doubt the coach is going to make too much of a difference. i also remember a drubbing 19-2 she took at the hands of Century another PUBLIC school that was nationally ranked at the time a few years ago. By the way the Heros coach check her bio at University of Maryland before you pop off . She was quite the lax star where she played for 4 years and even a better coach!


You are also talking about the MIAA school that was up on McDonogh with 4 minutes left in the championship game and lost by one. You are also talking about a coach that has won public school state championships at two different schools. I'm pretty sure she is going to do just fine at RPCS.

I'll take that resume over someone that was a "great player at Maryland" any day. BTW, my kid's not on M&D 2020. I would always choose an established coach over a "great former player". You don't need to have been a great player to be a great coach.
great to see..Maryland parents are every bit as douchey as Long Island parents when it comes to girls lax...awesome...
This might be the best post of the year. Of course it was overlooked by most of the delusional parents.
Originally Posted by anonomous
great to see..Maryland parents are every bit as douchey as Long Island parents when it comes to girls lax...awesome...


Why travel Lacrosse parents are hated in al 50 states...
Well Said!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The jealousy of the top team in the country is so transparent. First I know that in 9 out of 10 games they play ,playing time is equal, in that other game some kids do play more than others but all get in.Second ,the team will be so stacked this year that equal playing time will almost be a given as I do not see too many teams that are going to keep it close .Third, the reason they do not want to switch to another club at this point they are the only true A level team left on Long Island .The next closest thing is a new club that essentially has been built upon disgruntled B team players ( I believe they will easily be the second best team in age group on LI this year as their coach is very good).Where would you want them to go to Liberty, Elevate,who are non competitive, or go to TG who now has a team that will be awful. If you want to go to Towson or Hofstra then TG is definitely the place to go as 14 of the last 25 commitments are to one of those schools.


Guess without our better players we are only happy b team players and parents. It's idiots like you who ruin it for everyone else.


Little early in the day to be hitting the sauce. Exactly what has you so angry ? Do you think you are better than the B team moniker ?


You do. We lost to hero's without 2 of our better players and you seem to think we have the greatest group ever assembled. Truth is without key players all WE are are BTEAM parents too. Wake up. We will win on the backs of a few kids. That's the truth. Deal with it. Just because our kids on blue doesn't mean anything. People know who can play and who can't. Just ride the wave like everyone else and hope our kids get looks from schools. No need to try and put people down.
there is not another "team" sport where parents could care less about the teams success, if their daughter is not the star, than travel lax...it has spawned a generation of "me first" kids and worse, parents who live and die with their child's success on a lax field. Unfortunately we are ALL guilty of being those parents and anyone who says differently is an outright liar..it is really shameful when folks turn to berating kids or coaches on a lax website...maybe we do need President Bernie Sanders to make college free so we can all stop drinking the scholarship Kool-Aid...
Originally Posted by anonomous
there is not another "team" sport where parents could care less about the teams success, if their daughter is not the star, than travel lax...it has spawned a generation of "me first" kids and worse, parents who live and die with their child's success on a lax field. Unfortunately we are ALL guilty of being those parents and anyone who says differently is an outright liar..it is really shameful when folks turn to berating kids or coaches on a lax website...maybe we do need President Bernie Sanders to make college free so we can all stop drinking the scholarship Kool-Aid...


Couldn't agree more. In our town if you aren't playing travel lax you are shunned and if you stick it out the ball never seems to find you. I have been hearing about recruiting and commiting on our PAL sideline since the 3rd GRADE! Some kids just want to play and the selfish play of the girls looking for the early verbal is driving kids away in droves. You hear very little about any of this INDIVIDUAL nonsense on any other sport sideline. Lacrosse sidelines are toxic and its a shame because it is a great sport being ruined by bad parents and selfish me first play.
Lacrosse growing? Not in our town - Baseball, Softball, Basketball, Football, Soccer, Volleyball all with more teams. Why do you think that is? Maybe we should start forcing some passing in 1st, 2nd and 3rd grade. Nobody cares that your daughter scores 10 except her parents.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lacrosse growing? Not in our town - Baseball, Softball, Basketball, Football, Soccer, Volleyball all with more teams. Why do you think that is? Maybe we should start forcing some passing in 1st, 2nd and 3rd grade. Nobody cares that your daughter scores 10 except her parents.


Where do you live , I want to move there.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Curcio was there things would have been different.
PAL at its best!!!!


Is Curcio still coaching the BLUE team?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]If Curcio was there things would have been different.
PAL at its best!!!!


Is Curcio still coaching the BLUE team

She's renegotiating her contract after this weekends debacle
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]If Curcio was there things would have been different.
PAL at its best!!!!


Is Curcio still coaching the BLUE team

She's renegotiating her contract after this weekends debacle


Would be smart to dip those really short arms into her wildly deep pockets. Heard the 2025 coach hire blew up the pay structure and many want a well deserved bump
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If Curcio was there things would have been different.
PAL at its best!!!!


Is Curcio still coaching the BLUE team

She's renegotiating her contract after this weekends debacle


Would be smart to dip those really short arms into her wildly deep pockets. Heard the 2025 coach hire blew up the pay structure and many want a well deserved bump [/quote

Please ,some of these coaches would do it for free. They make thousands doing private lessons and promoting kids to teams they do not belong on. Don't forget the fringe benefits like free meals at restaurants because the owner already pays for lessons but needs to secure his kids spot, or the coach who shows up early and stays late setting up the tents to secure his kids spots ,heard that coach was not even at tryouts, my guess is he was in the parking lot detailing the queens car. Pathetic, at some point these parents have to realize to just let their kids ability speak for themselves.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonomous
there is not another "team" sport where parents could care less about the teams success, if their daughter is not the star, than travel lax...it has spawned a generation of "me first" kids and worse, parents who live and die with their child's success on a lax field. Unfortunately we are ALL guilty of being those parents and anyone who says differently is an outright liar..it is really shameful when folks turn to berating kids or coaches on a lax website...maybe we do need President Bernie Sanders to make college free so we can all stop drinking the scholarship Kool-Aid...


Couldn't agree more. In our town if you aren't playing travel lax you are shunned and if you stick it out the ball never seems to find you. I have been hearing about recruiting and commiting on our PAL sideline since the 3rd GRADE! Some kids just want to play and the selfish play of the girls looking for the early verbal is driving kids away in droves. You hear very little about any of this INDIVIDUAL nonsense on any other sport sideline. Lacrosse sidelines are toxic and its a shame because it is a great sport being ruined by bad parents and selfish me first play.



Sing it brother or sister... sing it. I'd love to think some parents would start policing the [lacrosse] bag parents... but I doubt it. At some point I just know I'm going to get to watch a quality beatdown on the sidelines.... some canvas belted loafer wearing loudmouth who forgets that other kid's parents are right next to him and the crap he is spewing is going to get his vineyard vines polo pulled over his head like a hockey jersey... and let the windmilling start.

Kidding aside, the parents are getting worse and worse every year.
Just cheer your kid on or STFU
and not to belabor my point but think about this...go to any HS/AAU Football or Baseball or Basketball game and watch the stands when a team does something cool like score a nice touchdown/basket or make a great play on defense..the whole crowd gets into it and cheers..now watch the sidelines during your kids travel lax game...how many folks actually ever cheer for someone besides their own kids success?...maybe its because they pay buku $$ and think it entitles them to be selfish and narcissistic about their kids...watch what happens when their son/daughter gets the ball in the open field..how many "go to goal" or "shoot" shouts do you hear?...imagine if a kid got a rebound in basketball and the mom/dad was screaming to drive the length of the court for a shot..it would sound [lacrosse]..in Lax its almost expected...such a shame..
Originally Posted by anonomous
and not to belabor my point but think about this...go to any HS/AAU Football or Baseball or Basketball game and watch the stands when a team does something cool like score a nice touchdown/basket or make a great play on defense..the whole crowd gets into it and cheers..now watch the sidelines during your kids travel lax game...how many folks actually ever cheer for someone besides their own kids success?...maybe its because they pay buku $$ and think it entitles them to be selfish and narcissistic about their kids...watch what happens when their son/daughter gets the ball in the open field..how many "go to goal" or "shoot" shouts do you hear?...imagine if a kid got a rebound in basketball and the mom/dad was screaming to drive the length of the court for a shot..it would sound [lacrosse]..in Lax its almost expected...such a shame..


Couldn't agree more. Everyone cringes when someone other than their kid scores in lacrosse. This BS recruiting has ruined the game. But the parents of those skilled kids care less about everyone else. Here is the stock answer - Get on the wall if you cant keep up. I'm not going to apologize for my kid being so talented. What they don't understand is that we would all love to cheer for them like we do in football or basketball but when we are up by 10 pass the freakin ball and be a GOOD TEAMMATE!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonomous
and not to belabor my point but think about this...go to any HS/AAU Football or Baseball or Basketball game and watch the stands when a team does something cool like score a nice touchdown/basket or make a great play on defense..the whole crowd gets into it and cheers..now watch the sidelines during your kids travel lax game...how many folks actually ever cheer for someone besides their own kids success?...maybe its because they pay buku $$ and think it entitles them to be selfish and narcissistic about their kids...watch what happens when their son/daughter gets the ball in the open field..how many "go to goal" or "shoot" shouts do you hear?...imagine if a kid got a rebound in basketball and the mom/dad was screaming to drive the length of the court for a shot..it would sound [lacrosse]..in Lax its almost expected...such a shame..


Couldn't agree more. Everyone cringes when someone other than their kid scores in lacrosse. This BS recruiting has ruined the game. But the parents of those skilled kids care less about everyone else. Here is the stock answer - Get on the wall if you cant keep up. I'm not going to apologize for my kid being so talented. What they don't understand is that we would all love to cheer for them like we do in football or basketball but when we are up by 10 pass the freakin ball and be a GOOD TEAMMATE!


I cheer for every kid on the field and can only hope it has some level of contagiousness. The sick thing is that when I see an amazing play by someone on the other team I may even DARE to utter 'good play' aloud to the opposing player. What sacrilege I suppose. I don't care what other parents think... if they think I'm an a-hole for rooting for their kid and others, so be it. To quote a fine reverend: If loving the lord is right, I don't want to be wrong.....

Originally Posted by anonomous
and not to belabor my point but think about this...go to any HS/AAU Football or Baseball or Basketball game and watch the stands when a team does something cool like score a nice touchdown/basket or make a great play on defense..the whole crowd gets into it and cheers..now watch the sidelines during your kids travel lax game...how many folks actually ever cheer for someone besides their own kids success?...maybe its because they pay buku $$ and think it entitles them to be selfish and narcissistic about their kids...watch what happens when their son/daughter gets the ball in the open field..how many "go to goal" or "shoot" shouts do you hear?...imagine if a kid got a rebound in basketball and the mom/dad was screaming to drive the length of the court for a shot..it would sound [lacrosse]..in Lax its almost expected...such a shame..


Sounds like you are with the wrong club. My daughter's team is one of the most successful there is and they share the ball and parents cheer for all the girls. If any parent dared yell at their daughter to go to the goal there would be [lacrosse] to pay.
you, my friend, are more the exception than the rule
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonomous
and not to belabor my point but think about this...go to any HS/AAU Football or Baseball or Basketball game and watch the stands when a team does something cool like score a nice touchdown/basket or make a great play on defense..the whole crowd gets into it and cheers..now watch the sidelines during your kids travel lax game...how many folks actually ever cheer for someone besides their own kids success?...maybe its because they pay buku $$ and think it entitles them to be selfish and narcissistic about their kids...watch what happens when their son/daughter gets the ball in the open field..how many "go to goal" or "shoot" shouts do you hear?...imagine if a kid got a rebound in basketball and the mom/dad was screaming to drive the length of the court for a shot..it would sound [lacrosse]..in Lax its almost expected...such a shame..


Sounds like you are with the wrong club. My daughter's team is one of the most successful there is and they share the ball and parents cheer for all the girls. If any parent dared yell at their daughter to go to the goal there would be [lacrosse] to pay.


Keep telling yourself that. If you were forced to watch a hidden camera video of your sideline you would probably be mortified. Its apparent to everyone except travel parents.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonomous
and not to belabor my point but think about this...go to any HS/AAU Football or Baseball or Basketball game and watch the stands when a team does something cool like score a nice touchdown/basket or make a great play on defense..the whole crowd gets into it and cheers..now watch the sidelines during your kids travel lax game...how many folks actually ever cheer for someone besides their own kids success?...maybe its because they pay buku $$ and think it entitles them to be selfish and narcissistic about their kids...watch what happens when their son/daughter gets the ball in the open field..how many "go to goal" or "shoot" shouts do you hear?...imagine if a kid got a rebound in basketball and the mom/dad was screaming to drive the length of the court for a shot..it would sound [lacrosse]..in Lax its almost expected...such a shame..


Sounds like you are with the wrong club. My daughter's team is one of the most successful there is and they share the ball and parents cheer for all the girls. If any parent dared yell at their daughter to go to the goal there would be [lacrosse] to pay.


Keep telling yourself that. If you were forced to watch a hidden camera video of your sideline you would probably be mortified. Its apparent to everyone except travel parents.


Actually, all or our games are recorded and you can hear the sidelines. Sorry that you have these issues. All i can say is that all sidelines aren't like that. Our coach wouldn't stand for it and would cut a girl if the parents acted that way. Maybe you need a new coach.
Congrats on finding that program...and the 1% of parents who are not like the rest of the chuckleheads on the sidelines...
can I ask what program it is?....they may be onto something if it works so well
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonomous
and not to belabor my point but think about this...go to any HS/AAU Football or Baseball or Basketball game and watch the stands when a team does something cool like score a nice touchdown/basket or make a great play on defense..the whole crowd gets into it and cheers..now watch the sidelines during your kids travel lax game...how many folks actually ever cheer for someone besides their own kids success?...maybe its because they pay buku $$ and think it entitles them to be selfish and narcissistic about their kids...watch what happens when their son/daughter gets the ball in the open field..how many "go to goal" or "shoot" shouts do you hear?...imagine if a kid got a rebound in basketball and the mom/dad was screaming to drive the length of the court for a shot..it would sound [lacrosse]..in Lax its almost expected...such a shame..


Sounds like you are with the wrong club. My daughter's team is one of the most successful there is and they share the ball and parents cheer for all the girls. If any parent dared yell at their daughter to go to the goal there would be [lacrosse] to pay.


Keep telling yourself that. If you were forced to watch a hidden camera video of your sideline you would probably be mortified. Its apparent to everyone except travel parents.


Actually, all or our games are recorded and you can hear the sidelines. Sorry that you have these issues. All i can say is that all sidelines aren't like that. Our coach wouldn't stand for it and would cut a girl if the parents acted that way. Maybe you need a new coach.


Since it's all peace love rainbows lollipops and full rides for all, care to share your team? If their are no issues you should be proud to tell
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]If Curcio was there things would have been different.
PAL at its best!!!!


Is Curcio still coaching the BLUE team

She's renegotiating her contract after this weekends debacle


What was the debacle exactly??? Are you just trolling because there is no "debacle" unless you are talking about the three teams they beat by 15+ goals. So what exactly are you talking about?

1The Barack Obama national team
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]If Curcio was there things would have been different.
PAL at its best!!!!


Is Curcio still coaching the BLUE team

She's renegotiating her contract after this weekends debacle


What was the debacle exactly??? Are you just trolling because there is no "debacle" unless you are talking about the three teams they beat by 15+ goals.
So what exactly are you talking about?


The debacle is losing ,its the YJ top team other than the 2019 age you are expected to win.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]If Curcio was there things would have been different.
PAL at its best!!!!


Is Curcio still coaching the BLUE team

She's renegotiating her contract after this weekends debacle


What was the debacle exactly??? Are you just trolling because there is no "debacle" unless you are talking about the three teams they beat by 15+ goals. So what exactly are you talking about?


Beating up on inferior talent. Way to win with class. Beating down 13 year olds. Go ahead make excuses
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=anonomous]and not to belabor my point but think about this...go to any HS/AAU Football or Baseball or Basketball game and watch the stands when a team does something cool like score a nice touchdown/basket or make a great play on defense..the whole crowd gets into it and cheers..now watch the sidelines during your kids travel lax game...how many folks actually ever cheer for someone besides their own kids success?...maybe its because they pay buku $$ and think it entitles them to be selfish and narcissistic about their kids...watch what happens when their son/daughter gets the ball in the open field..how many "go to goal" or "shoot" shouts do you hear?...imagine if a kid got a rebound in basketball and the mom/dad was screaming to drive the length of the court for a shot..it would sound [lacrosse]..in Lax its almost expected...such a shame..


Sounds like you are with the wrong club. My daughter's team is one of the most successful there is and they share the ball and parents cheer for all the girls. If any parent dared yell at their daughter to go to the goal there would be [lacrosse] to pay.


Keep telling yourself that. If you were forced to watch a hidden camera video of your sideline you would probably be mortified. Its apparent to everyone except travel parents.


Actually, all or our games are recorded and you can hear the sidelines. Sorry that you have these issues. All i can say is that all sidelines aren't like that. Our coach wouldn't stand for it and would cut a girl if the parents acted that way. Maybe you need a new coach.


Of the scads of games I've attended on the sidelines, this is true 5 percent at best--- rest of the time it is wall to wall bigmouths.
Originally Posted by strongARM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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[quote=anonomous]and not to belabor my point but think about this...go to any HS/AAU Football or Baseball or Basketball game and watch the stands when a team does something cool like score a nice touchdown/basket or make a great play on defense..the whole crowd gets into it and cheers..now watch the sidelines during your kids travel lax game...how many folks actually ever cheer for someone besides their own kids success?...maybe its because they pay buku $$ and think it entitles them to be selfish and narcissistic about their kids...watch what happens when their son/daughter gets the ball in the open field..how many "go to goal" or "shoot" shouts do you hear?...imagine if a kid got a rebound in basketball and the mom/dad was screaming to drive the length of the court for a shot..it would sound [lacrosse]..in Lax its almost expected...such a shame..


Sounds like you are with the wrong club. My daughter's team is one of the most successful there is and they share the ball and parents cheer for all the girls. If any parent dared yell at their daughter to go to the goal there would be [lacrosse] to pay.


Keep telling yourself that. If you were forced to watch a hidden camera video of your sideline you would probably be mortified. Its apparent to everyone except travel parents.


Actually, all or our games are recorded and you can hear the sidelines. Sorry that you have these issues. All i can say is that all sidelines aren't like that. Our coach wouldn't stand for it and would cut a girl if the parents acted that way. Maybe you need a new coach.


Of the scads of games I've attended on the sidelines, this is true 5 percent at best--- rest of the time it is wall to wall bigmouths.


The only time I see this is when it's a blowout.
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[quote=Anonymous]If Curcio was there things would have been different.
PAL at its best!!!!


Is Curcio still coaching the BLUE team

She's renegotiating her contract after this weekends debacle


What was the debacle exactly??? Are you just trolling because there is no "debacle" unless you are talking about the three teams they beat by 15+ goals. So what exactly are you talking about?


Beating up on inferior talent. Way to win with class. Beating down 13 year olds. Go ahead make excuses


You have no idea what you are talking about. The defenders played attack and vice versa. All were shooting with their off hand and making 5 passes before they shot. If you are the other team do you want to be humiliated by having another team pass the ball around in a circle for 35 min? Do you think Tom Brady considers not throwing another touchdown because his team is already winning 45-3?? This is life, some teams are better than others.
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[quote=Anonymous]If Curcio was there things would have been different.
PAL at its best!!!!


Is Curcio still coaching the BLUE team

She's renegotiating her contract after this weekends debacle


What was the debacle exactly??? Are you just trolling because there is no "debacle" unless you are talking about the three teams they beat by 15+ goals. So what exactly are you talking about?


Beating up on inferior talent. Way to win with class. Beating down 13 year olds. Go ahead make excuses


You have no idea what you are talking about. The defenders played attack and vice versa. All were shooting with their off hand and making 5 passes before they shot. If you are the other team do you want to be humiliated by having another team pass the ball around in a circle for 35 min? Do you think Tom Brady considers not throwing another touchdown because his team is already winning 45-3?? This is life, some teams are better than others.


lol tom brady? they are 13 you tool
GET A LIFE BOYS! YOU ARE THE BIGMOUTHS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!
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[quote=Anonymous]If Curcio was there things would have been different.
PAL at its best!!!!


Is Curcio still coaching the BLUE team

She's renegotiating her contract after this weekends debacle


What was the debacle exactly??? Are you just trolling because there is no "debacle" unless you are talking about the three teams they beat by 15+ goals. So what exactly are you talking about?


Beating up on inferior talent. Way to win with class. Beating down 13 year olds. Go ahead make excuses


You have no idea what you are talking about. The defenders played attack and vice versa. All were shooting with their off hand and making 5 passes before they shot. If you are the other team do you want to be humiliated by having another team pass the ball around in a circle for 35 min? Do you think Tom Brady considers not throwing another touchdown because his team is already winning 45-3?? This is life, some teams are better than others.


How did they get all those yellow cards in blowout games? Three in the loss (which is almost understandable - sore losers) and five in the 20-2 games - yellow jackets style of play no matter what the score
You mean winning style
Actually by taking out girls legs and hacking. I saw the game and witnessed dirty playing.
It's always excessive rough play regardless of the score.

Win by 20 and get the oh we did everything we could to stop scoring but our girls are just that good.

Then win by 20 and you hear that they were getting cards in the process.

Then tell us the parents are great people.

Facts are they ARE A SUPER TALENTED GROUP OF PLAYERS, the club and team are known for poor sportsmanship and rough play and say what you want about the sideline but its toxic because everyone is there for just their kid.

If you want to sell your soul to the devil and give a verbal in 9th grade, this is the team.
Dude, you need to do some yoga
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It's always excessive rough play regardless of the score.

Win by 20 and get the oh we did everything we could to stop scoring but our girls are just that good.

Then win by 20 and you hear that they were getting cards in the process.

Then tell us the parents are great people.

Facts are they ARE A SUPER TALENTED GROUP OF PLAYERS, the club and team are known for poor sportsmanship and rough play and say what you want about the sideline but its toxic because everyone is there for just their kid.

If you want to sell your soul to the devil and give a verbal in 9th grade, this is the team.


I agree, based on what I've seen. Everyone is going to come on here and accuse you of sour grapes, but for my 2 cents, you're accurate.
Super talented ????
3-2 TG
8-5 Legacy
2 losses to Heros

They are good but still haven't separated themselves
from the rest of the pack.
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Watch out for this Cobra Kai 2020 team, I saw them mopping up yellow jackets in Farmingdale a few weeks ago. Then I saw them being promoted on MSG Quick Hits of all places. I think they said they were from Suffern


Is it true that this team from Suffren beat YJ?!
Off season tournaments not at full roster mean nothing. 4-0 vs MD, 3-1 vs Heroes and beat every other team they faced last summer. 1 loss on season by 1 goal No other team can claim that. Have to give them some credit.
Not even close. Bunch of 2nd and 3rd team YJ beat a suffern team a year older and forget what happened in summer
what is the hierarchy in the top gun organization Black or Purple
1-Black
2-Purple
3-white
What are the color rankings of the YJ's? used to go down to green now Crayola box doesn't have enough choices
they have added rainbow...
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What are the color rankings of the YJ's? used to go down to green now Crayola box doesn't have enough choices


The rankings are best team in the country, then one of the best teams in the country, then competitive team, then not so much.
you tell em', Dad....
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What are the color rankings of the YJ's? used to go down to green now Crayola box doesn't have enough choices


The rankings are best team in the country, then one of the best teams in the country, then competitive team, then not so much.


Are you sure about that? I was told it goes: best team in the universe followed by the best team in the Country and then goes downhill from there.


Are you sure about that? I was told it goes: best team in the universe followed by the best team in the Country and then goes downhill from there. [/quote]

Please get your facts straight: best in the universe, best in galaxy, followed by best in solar system, followed by best on Earth.

If I would bet, I would say that there are other YJ teams that exist in other galaxies that we don't even know about that dominate as well.
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What are the color rankings of the YJ's? used to go down to green now Crayola box doesn't have enough choices


The rankings are best team in the country, then one of the best teams in the country, then competitive team, then not so much.


Thank you very much for such an enlightening and truthful post. We will be re-evaluating your daughter's contributions (playing time).

-CR-
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What are the color rankings of the YJ's? used to go down to green now Crayola box doesn't have enough choices


When will rosters be out?
Say what you want but they do have the best team in the country and it just kills you guys. Many of you have watched your friends take their kids and leave your club and know that if your kid could make the YJ top team you would do the same . Because you can't you do the next best thing and come on here with your ridiculous "the bottom half of the team never sees the field" or the " they are not that good they only beat our team by a couple goals" or my personal favorite " there is only one ball". The thing about this YJ team that I don't like is because they have now taken all the better LI players they are the only team left that can compete with the top Maryland teams , in the end I always hope the LI teams beat the Maryland clubs .
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Say what you want but they do have the best team in the country and it just kills you guys. Many of you have watched your friends take their kids and leave your club and know that if your kid could make the YJ top team you would do the same . Because you can't you do the next best thing and come on here with your ridiculous "the bottom half of the team never sees the field" or the " they are not that good they only beat our team by a couple goals" or my personal favorite " there is only one ball". The thing about this YJ team that I don't like is because they have now taken all the better LI players they are the only team left that can compete with the top Maryland teams , in the end I always hope the LI teams beat the Maryland clubs .


Interesting perspective. LI has YJ, while Maryland has multiple club teams in that strata - what's going on with the other LI club teams?
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Say what you want but they do have the best team in the country and it just kills you guys. Many of you have watched your friends take their kids and leave your club and know that if your kid could make the YJ top team you would do the same . Because you can't you do the next best thing and come on here with your ridiculous "the bottom half of the team never sees the field" or the " they are not that good they only beat our team by a couple goals" or my personal favorite " there is only one ball". The thing about this YJ team that I don't like is because they have now taken all the better LI players they are the only team left that can compete with the top Maryland teams , in the end I always hope the LI teams beat the Maryland clubs .


Please just shut the **** up! You have the best players but you are killing the sport for the rest of us. Impossible to root or share a school sideline with you.
Ok, you win...YJ are the best....next topic please in Girls 2020 loop..
I agree....move on and can someone be positive on this thread? Ok I will. Hero's 2020 G lost to M AND D in pool play but beat them in the championship over the weekend. Two good teams that played some high level lacrosse at the 8th grade level.
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Say what you want but they do have the best team in the country and it just kills you guys. Many of you have watched your friends take their kids and leave your club and know that if your kid could make the YJ top team you would do the same . Because you can't you do the next best thing and come on here with your ridiculous "the bottom half of the team never sees the field" or the " they are not that good they only beat our team by a couple goals" or my personal favorite " there is only one ball". The thing about this YJ team that I don't like is because they have now taken all the better LI players they are the only team left that can compete with the top Maryland teams , in the end I always hope the LI teams beat the Maryland clubs .


Interesting perspective. LI has YJ, while Maryland has multiple club teams in that strata - what's going on with the other LI club teams?


Not quite the case. MD has M&D then the rest, just like LI and YJ, but the gap is a bit less in MD, giant on LI.
Gap might not be as big as you suggest ... time will tell.
it really is amazing ...folks know so much about other programs quality...my daughter is a 2020 and I couldn't tell you what the quality of other programs is, with exception of one other group who she played for once..when we go to tournaments, I could care in the least to watch another programs game--is that just me?...but some folks have so much inside knowledge of other LI programs it astounds me..if they are truly that concerned or get to see all those teams play, then they should get a new hobby or stop being such a yenta..again, we get it..YJ is the Big Cheese, but please don't say that girls playing for other LI programs couldn't play on top YJ team--that is just silly..
Realize it is 1 or 2 morons posting and answering their own post. They are irrelevant unless we respond. Let him keep posting and answering his own sewage. Majority of people are like you and have a life outside. Websites like this are made for angry, lonely, miserable people.
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it really is amazing ...folks know so much about other programs quality...my daughter is a 2020 and I couldn't tell you what the quality of other programs is, with exception of one other group who she played for once..when we go to tournaments, I could care in the least to watch another programs game--is that just me?...but some folks have so much inside knowledge of other LI programs it astounds me..if they are truly that concerned or get to see all those teams play, then they should get a new hobby or stop being such a yenta..again, we get it..YJ is the Big Cheese, but please don't say that girls playing for other LI programs couldn't play on top YJ team--that is just silly..


It is silly and YJ parents just live through their daughters. Bunch of parents who did nothing themselves as athletes now going crazy on their own kids
Can someone tell me an honest opinion about getting 1:1 lessons? Obviously it will help the athlete, but how much more than an athlete just spending the hour playing wall ball or shooting at targets?
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Can someone tell me an honest opinion about getting 1:1 lessons? Obviously it will help the athlete, but how much more than an athlete just spending the hour playing wall ball or shooting at targets?


If your daughter is truly "an athlete" then she will be fine and as you said yourself - wall ball will get her there. Coaches recruit athletes - bottom line.
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Can someone tell me an honest opinion about getting 1:1 lessons? Obviously it will help the athlete, but how much more than an athlete just spending the hour playing wall ball or shooting at targets?


If your daughter is truly "an athlete" then she will be fine and as you said yourself - wall ball will get her there. Coaches recruit athletes - bottom line.


Watch a 1 v 1 session and you will leave shaking your head. Do yourself a favor and watch a few you tube wall ball videos and send her outside. Paying $50-$100 per hour to have someone watch her throw a ball against a wall is insane. Problem is most kids won't do it by themselves so mom and dad have to pay for what should be free. There is another group that choose to pay to gain access and favor with coaches but that's a different story...
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Can someone tell me an honest opinion about getting 1:1 lessons? Obviously it will help the athlete, but how much more than an athlete just spending the hour playing wall ball or shooting at targets?


If your daughter is truly "an athlete" then she will be fine and as you said yourself - wall ball will get her there. Coaches recruit athletes - bottom line.


The thing is will she do wall ball? Whereas a scheduled training session that is paid for will definitely happen. I agree with what you say, wall ball can get you there but then it's up to the athlete to make it happen (as it should be). The best athletes I've seen do the work on their own.
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it really is amazing ...folks know so much about other programs quality...my daughter is a 2020 and I couldn't tell you what the quality of other programs is, with exception of one other group who she played for once..when we go to tournaments, I could care in the least to watch another programs game--is that just me?...but some folks have so much inside knowledge of other LI programs it astounds me..if they are truly that concerned or get to see all those teams play, then they should get a new hobby or stop being such a yenta..again, we get it..YJ is the Big Cheese, but please don't say that girls playing for other LI programs couldn't play on top YJ team--that is just silly..


It is silly and YJ parents just live through their daughters. Bunch of parents who did nothing themselves as athletes now going crazy on their own kids


Hate to break this to you but this is not limited to just YJ parents!
Just make sure if your daughter is on the wall she does not develop bad throwing habits and bad technique. That is where a good 1x1 trainor will help. Find one that played the same position that your daughter plays. If she plays defense them get a trainor who played defense and visa versa. They will work on footwork, dodging, slides Etc. And you can find a good one for less than $50 or $75 per hour. Call the athletic department and SBU, Hofstra or Post and ask for one of the players if they are interested in 1X1 training. You will have a bunch of yes! For about $30-$40 per hour.
YJ. 8-5 over Legacy
YJ 3-2 over TG
YJ lose 2 games to Heros in the first winning season.
Dominant???
Some "really great" teams go on undefeated for years and don't talk as much trash as you?
You're a clown!!!!!
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Say what you want but they do have the best team in the country and it just kills you guys. Many of you have watched your friends take their kids and leave your club and know that if your kid could make the YJ top team you would do the same . Because you can't you do the next best thing and come on here with your ridiculous "the bottom half of the team never sees the field" or the " they are not that good they only beat our team by a couple goals" or my personal favorite " there is only one ball". The thing about this YJ team that I don't like is because they have now taken all the better LI players they are the only team left that can compete with the top Maryland teams , in the end I always hope the LI teams beat the Maryland clubs .


Interesting perspective. LI has YJ, while Maryland has multiple club teams in that strata - what's going on with the other LI club teams?


Top 20 D1 programs seem to have very few LI girls on the roster and have tons of MD players, why do you suppose that is?
Thanks for the advice on privates from many of you on here!
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Say what you want but they do have the best team in the country and it just kills you guys. Many of you have watched your friends take their kids and leave your club and know that if your kid could make the YJ top team you would do the same . Because you can't you do the next best thing and come on here with your ridiculous "the bottom half of the team never sees the field" or the " they are not that good they only beat our team by a couple goals" or my personal favorite " there is only one ball". The thing about this YJ team that I don't like is because they have now taken all the better LI players they are the only team left that can compete with the top Maryland teams , in the end I always hope the LI teams beat the Maryland clubs .


Interesting perspective. LI has YJ, while Maryland has multiple club teams in that strata - what's going on with the other LI club teams?


Top 20 D1 programs seem to have very few LI girls on the roster and have tons of MD players, why do you suppose that is?


What the heck are you smoking?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Say what you want but they do have the best team in the country and it just kills you guys. Many of you have watched your friends take their kids and leave your club and know that if your kid could make the YJ top team you would do the same . Because you can't you do the next best thing and come on here with your ridiculous "the bottom half of the team never sees the field" or the " they are not that good they only beat our team by a couple goals" or my personal favorite " there is only one ball". The thing about this YJ team that I don't like is because they have now taken all the better LI players they are the only team left that can compete with the top Maryland teams , in the end I always hope the LI teams beat the Maryland clubs .


Interesting perspective. LI has YJ, while Maryland has multiple club teams in that strata - what's going on with the other LI club teams?


Top 20 D1 programs seem to have very few LI girls on the roster and have tons of MD players, why do you suppose that is?


What the heck are you smoking?


Really ? 5 out of 12 Maryland starters were from NY & NJ that's almost half. Nice try
i did not know LI stretched into NJ are you also going to claim va nc, fla as well... there close
Honestly University of Maryland is a poor example of where the best players go because U of M is a State school. For various reasons not the least of which is economic. A state school is going to pull most of its recruits from in state. There is a huge difference in enrollment costs in state and out of state. A better test would be picking a quality private college program and looking at the rosters. Costs are the same for all players. I just looked at ND for a quick test. 7 from MD 7 from LI. honestly the most important thing is if they are all team players, have skill and can be coached. Those kids come from everywhere and generally don't have over bearing parents.
The 2020s have got to be the craziest age group of lacrosse parents … you have 39 pages on this website… and that is only since it went age/graduation year specific. I suspect its just a few crazy parents who think that by writing more on this blog people will believe what you write… in reality its more entertaining than enlightening.
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The 2020s have got to be the craziest age group of lacrosse parents … you have 39 pages on this website… and that is only since it went age/graduation year specific. I suspect its just a few crazy parents who think that by writing more on this blog people will believe what you write… in reality its more entertaining than enlightening.


What I get a kick about is how the parents are discussing college roster constitution and geographic variances. Well, I also want some more variety on that roster. Can we make sure that we have a good mixture of Catholics and Protestants. In fact a good representation of all religions would be nice. I wonder if it's also possible to figure out if there are a lot of on-line posting parents drawing towards certain programs.
What 1st time parents should be doing is closely looking at these rosters and the majors the girls are taking. After being through the process, unless you are the top of the very top, coaches will gently guide most girls into acceptable or preferred majors. You wont find many studying for engineering or medical related degrees. Lots of communications and general degrees. Coaches want you academically eligible and with no other pulls on your time. If you are SS you can take whatever you want everyone else needs to understand lacrosse will be your fulltime job
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i did not know LI stretched into NJ are you also going to claim va nc, fla as well... there close


Upstate NY and NJ aside, for all the bragging about the LI lax hot bed for girls, I'm not seeing it. Where are all the "studs" from the past 3-4 years playing? Fairfield? Probably less than 50-60 in top 20 programs (and many of them are freshman) out of the 200-300 top players from 2012-2015 clsses.
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i did not know LI stretched into NJ are you also going to claim va nc, fla as well... there close


Upstate NY and NJ aside, for all the bragging about the LI lax hot bed for girls, I'm not seeing it. Where are all the "studs" from the past 3-4 years playing? Fairfield? Probably less than 50-60 in top 20 programs (and many of them are freshman) out of the 200-300 top players from 2012-2015 clsses.


There has been some great analysis done on BOTC on who plays in college, who gets minutes and who fades away after committing.

Last years top 15 schools were- Maryland, UNC, Syracuse, Duke, Stoney Brook, Princeton, Penn State, Virginia, Northwestern, BC, Loyola, JMU, Florida, Stamford, Mass

Yellow Jackets 2015 sent 8 of 55 girls to one of the top 15 programs excluding Stony Brook. Top Guns sent 8 of 37. For the vast majority travel lax helps you continue playing in college at schools with mid to low ranked lax programs which is great!!!!! For you new 2020's don't believe all the hype. Take your time. Pick a school your daughter actually wants to be at even if she doesn't play or gets injured or pick a school that will let her play a lot (low D1, D2 or heaven forbid D3). You should know by now if your daughter was blessed with god given talent at birth. The mortgage payments we all make to these club programs does not guarantee top college placement
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i did not know LI stretched into NJ are you also going to claim va nc, fla as well... there close


Upstate NY and NJ aside, for all the bragging about the LI lax hot bed for girls, I'm not seeing it. Where are all the "studs" from the past 3-4 years playing? Fairfield? Probably less than 50-60 in top 20 programs (and many of them are freshman) out of the 200-300 top players from 2012-2015 clsses.


Could you please show an example of someone claiming to be the "Lax Hot Bed". I do recall seeing someone claiming to be the "Best Team". A little history lesson while winning multiple National Championships in a row Northwestern was loaded with LI players. UNC,Cuse,Maryland,Florida all seem to have a fair amount as well. Stony Brook alone puts 20 players from LI in a top 20 program. Never let facts get in the way of a good rant.
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i did not know LI stretched into NJ are you also going to claim va nc, fla as well... there close


My bad, 4 out of 12 starters were from LI does that work for you?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
i did not know LI stretched into NJ are you also going to claim va nc, fla as well... there close


Upstate NY and NJ aside, for all the bragging about the LI lax hot bed for girls, I'm not seeing it. Where are all the "studs" from the past 3-4 years playing? Fairfield? Probably less than 50-60 in top 20 programs (and many of them are freshman) out of the 200-300 top players from 2012-2015 clsses.


There has been some great analysis done on BOTC on who plays in college, who gets minutes and who fades away after committing.

Last years top 15 schools were- Maryland, UNC, Syracuse, Duke, Stoney Brook, Princeton, Penn State, Virginia, Northwestern, BC, Loyola, JMU, Florida, Stamford, Mass

Yellow Jackets 2015 sent 8 of 55 girls to one of the top 15 programs excluding Stony Brook. Top Guns sent 8 of 37. For the vast majority travel lax helps you continue playing in college at schools with mid to low ranked lax programs which is great!!!!! For you new 2020's don't believe all the hype. Take your time. Pick a school your daughter actually wants to be at even if she doesn't play or gets injured or pick a school that will let her play a lot (low D1, D2 or heaven forbid D3). You should know by now if your daughter was blessed with god given talent at birth. The mortgage payments we all make to these club programs does not guarantee top college placement


Didn't the # 2 recruit (Florida) and national team member play for Liberty. You might want to include them in your calculations as they consistently send players to the Ivie's and other top programs. ( she might just be the top player in this class. I think she is )
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i did not know LI stretched into NJ are you also going to claim va nc, fla as well... there close


Upstate NY and NJ aside, for all the bragging about the LI lax hot bed for girls, I'm not seeing it. Where are all the "studs" from the past 3-4 years playing? Fairfield? Probably less than 50-60 in top 20 programs (and many of them are freshman) out of the 200-300 top players from 2012-2015 clsses.


There has been some great analysis done on BOTC on who plays in college, who gets minutes and who fades away after committing.

Last years top 15 schools were- Maryland, UNC, Syracuse, Duke, Stoney Brook, Princeton, Penn State, Virginia, Northwestern, BC, Loyola, JMU, Florida, Stamford, Mass

Yellow Jackets 2015 sent 8 of 55 girls to one of the top 15 programs excluding Stony Brook. Top Guns sent 8 of 37. For the vast majority travel lax helps you continue playing in college at schools with mid to low ranked lax programs which is great!!!!! For you new 2020's don't believe all the hype. Take your time. Pick a school your daughter actually wants to be at even if she doesn't play or gets injured or pick a school that will let her play a lot (low D1, D2 or heaven forbid D3). You should know by now if your daughter was blessed with god given talent at birth. The mortgage payments we all make to these club programs does not guarantee top college placement


Why would you exclude Stony Brook? They are a top 15 program and are loaded with Yellow Jackets.
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i did not know LI stretched into NJ are you also going to claim va nc, fla as well... there close


Upstate NY and NJ aside, for all the bragging about the LI lax hot bed for girls, I'm not seeing it. Where are all the "studs" from the past 3-4 years playing? Fairfield? Probably less than 50-60 in top 20 programs (and many of them are freshman) out of the 200-300 top players from 2012-2015 clsses.


There has been some great analysis done on BOTC on who plays in college, who gets minutes and who fades away after committing.

Last years top 15 schools were- Maryland, UNC, Syracuse, Duke, Stoney Brook, Princeton, Penn State, Virginia, Northwestern, BC, Loyola, JMU, Florida, Stamford, Mass

Yellow Jackets 2015 sent 8 of 55 girls to one of the top 15 programs excluding Stony Brook. Top Guns sent 8 of 37. For the vast majority travel lax helps you continue playing in college at schools with mid to low ranked lax programs which is great!!!!! For you new 2020's don't believe all the hype. Take your time. Pick a school your daughter actually wants to be at even if she doesn't play or gets injured or pick a school that will let her play a lot (low D1, D2 or heaven forbid D3). You should know by now if your daughter was blessed with god given talent at birth. The mortgage payments we all make to these club programs does not guarantee top college placement


Why would you exclude Stony Brook? They are a top 15 program and are loaded with Yellow Jackets.


Spalina is a YJ coach. His top YJ's are awesome but there are many YJ roster fillers
Saw Integrity crush TG Black and Skywalkers Blue today. Gotta say, they are legit.
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Saw Integrity crush TG Black and Skywalkers Blue today. Gotta say, they are legit.


How about some scores?
10-6 over TG Black (not that close) and 12-4 over Skywalkers Blue.
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10-6 over TG Black (not that close) and 12-4 over Skywalkers Blue.


Skywalkers 2020 is not very good. And Stars isn't much better. Let's not get carried away. Integrity plays M&D and Heros tomorrow. Win one of them and then come back
Top Guns is/has under going a major talent drain at 2020 and other ages as well. You will see SS disassociate herself from this team very soon. I wouldn't use them as a gauge.
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[quote=Anonymous]10-6 over TG Black (not that close) and 12-4 over Skywalkers Blue.


Skywalkers 2020 is not very good. And Stars isn't much better. Let's not get carried away. Integrity plays M&D and Heros tomorrow. Win one of them and then come back [/quote

I happily will come back.
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[quote=Anonymous]10-6 over TG Black (not that close) and 12-4 over Skywalkers Blue.


Skywalkers 2020 is not very good. And Stars isn't much better. Let's not get carried away. Integrity plays M&D and Heros tomorrow. Win one of them and then come back [/quote

I happily will come back.


I guess it didn't go so well today ?
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[quote=Anonymous]10-6 over TG Black (not that close) and 12-4 over Skywalkers Blue.


Skywalkers 2020 is not very good. And Stars isn't much better. Let's not get carried away. Integrity plays M&D and Heros tomorrow. Win one of them and then come back [/quote

I happily will come back.


I'm here! Integrity lost to M&D 12-7. Too many turnovers against a good team. Tied Hero's 6-6. Two evenly matched teams. I would say that Integrity belongs on the field with the best. The scores reflect that.

I guess it didn't go so well today ?
It would nice if the tourney organizers at Primetime Tourney, who used Tourney machine for scheduling actually populated the scores as well.... lazy....
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]10-6 over TG Black (not that close) and 12-4 over Skywalkers Blue.


Skywalkers 2020 is not very good. And Stars isn't much better. Let's not get carried away. Integrity plays M&D and Heros tomorrow. Win one of them and then come back [/quote

I happily will come back.


I'm here! Integrity lost to M&D 12-7. Too many turnovers against a good team. Tied Hero's 6-6. Two evenly matched teams. I would say that Integrity belongs on the field with the best. The scores reflect that.

Funny you beat TG by 4 and you crushed them ,you loose to MD and you belong on the field w the best .Off season tournament , can't take too much from it especially in a showcase. Who else did TG play and how did it go .
I guess it didn't go so well today ?
I hate it when people use the "off season tournament, can't take too much away from it" crap. It's a cop-out. Just because your daughter's team didn't win by as much as YOU wanted, don't make excuses. I have connection with the Integrity 20's. I was just commenting anout them and I enjoyed watching them play. They play hard, smart and fast.
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I hate it when people use the "off season tournament, can't take too much away from it" crap. It's a cop-out. Just because your daughter's team didn't win by as much as YOU wanted, don't make excuses. I have connection with the Integrity 20's. I was just commenting anout them and I enjoyed watching them play. They play hard, smart and fast.


What makes you look clueless is that at many offseason tournaments you are not playing their actual top team , usually it's a group of mixed kids and they play equal time so don't take much from it. Usually the parent from the b level clubs pound their chest about ties and off season performance
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I hate it when people use the "off season tournament, can't take too much away from it" crap. It's a cop-out. Just because your daughter's team didn't win by as much as YOU wanted, don't make excuses. I have connection with the Integrity 20's. I was just commenting anout them and I enjoyed watching them play. They play hard, smart and fast.


What makes you look clueless is that at many offseason tournaments you are not playing their actual top team , usually it's a group of mixed kids and they play equal time so don't take much from it. Usually the parent from the b level clubs pound their chest about ties and off season performance


cant have it both ways
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I hate it when people use the "off season tournament, can't take too much away from it" crap. It's a cop-out. Just because your daughter's team didn't win by as much as YOU wanted, don't make excuses. I have connection with the Integrity 20's. I was just commenting anout them and I enjoyed watching them play. They play hard, smart and fast.


What makes you look clueless is that at many offseason tournaments you are not playing their actual top team , usually it's a group of mixed kids and they play equal time so don't take much from it. Usually the parent from the b level clubs pound their chest about ties and off season performance


So next weekend yj 2020 will be a mixed group huh. Don't think so.
YJ 2020 blue will have a full team plus new TG kid for NJ tournaments next weekend. The other team is a mix of bottom 3 teams
So now you look clueless because you say things like I have a connection to integrity 2020, everyone reading it knows that means you have a kid playing for them . Now you want your daughters team to be considered as one of the top teams , they need to go out and actually beat some top teams first .Is it YJ top team this weekend , who knows , I have no idea . Keep saying you crushed TG when you beat them by 4 but were so competitive w MD when you lost by 5 , makes you look clueless
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So now you look clueless because you say things like I have a connection to integrity 2020, everyone reading it knows that means you have a kid playing for them . Now you want your daughters team to be considered as one of the top teams , they need to go out and actually beat some top teams first .Is it YJ top team this weekend , who knows , I have no idea . Keep saying you crushed TG when you beat them by 4 but were so competitive w MD when you lost by 5 , makes you look clueless


Travel parents - the biggest whining egomaniacs around. You are killing the sport
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I hate it when people use the "off season tournament, can't take too much away from it" crap. It's a cop-out. Just because your daughter's team didn't win by as much as YOU wanted, don't make excuses. I have connection with the Integrity 20's. I was just commenting anout them and I enjoyed watching them play. They play hard, smart and fast.


What makes you look clueless is that at many offseason tournaments you are not playing their actual top team , usually it's a group of mixed kids and they play equal time so don't take much from it. Usually the parent from the b level clubs pound their chest about ties and off season performance


exactly. Everyone knows that Hero's is top heavy and two of the best 8th grade girls around. Neither of them played on Sunday. M&D killed Hero's yesterday. Tying that version of the Hero's team doesn't mean anything.
LI Express unable to field a 2020 team--- that's the word on the street. That's an organization that doesn't seem to be doing the right thing with their girls programs. Almost zero returning players... I guess the stink followed them through the tryouts.... High and mighty administration is paying the price now.
As heroes or M&D one any big summer tournaments? I can't remember one if someone else can shed some light on the situation that would be great. Thanks
FIRST OF ALL YOUR ENGLISH IS HORRIBLE. HERO'S WON THE MID ATLANTIC YEAR BEATING m ND d AND YJ. THEN LOSING TO YJ IN THE FINALS FOR LAX FOR THE CURE. THEY WON THE ALL AMERICAN SHOWCASE PLAYING IN THE 2019 DIVISION IN PA AND ALSO THE laX FOR lOVE PLAYING IN THE 2019 DIVISION. THE REASON IS THAT MOST TOURNAMENTS PUT YJ, HERO'S AND MND IN THE "A" BRACKET AND PLAY EACH OTHER IN POOL PLAY AND RARELY DO THEY ALL MAKE IT TOO THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. ONLY ONE TEAM CAN WIN WHEN THEY PUT THE 3 TOP 2020 TEAMS WITHOUT QUESTION ON THE EAST COAST. BUT IT IS NICE TOO WATCH GOOD COMPETITIVE LACROSSE WIN OR LOSE INSTEAD OF BEATING TEAMS 20-0. NICE TRY INTEGRITY YOUR NOT AT THE BIG GIRLS TABLE YET.THEY PUT MND AND hEROS TOGETHER PLAYING EACH OTHER FIRST THIS WEEKEND. THIS YEAR HEROS HAS ONE THE TOP GUNS PLAY DAY AND THE FALL UPRISING.
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LI Express unable to field a 2020 team--- that's the word on the street. That's an organization that doesn't seem to be doing the right thing with their girls programs. Almost zero returning players... I guess the stink followed them through the tryouts.... High and mighty administration is paying the price now.

TG is having trouble filling 2020 purple team, maybe they can go over their
what seems to be issue with Express girls?..we almost went there last year but backed off when it seemed sketchy when we asked about details--players/fees/coaches,etc.---is it because its another Boys centric program(like fl$) that just collects fees from girls program to fund the boys?...it seems like they have decent coaches on boys side....and apparently they have new girls director?...
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what seems to be issue with Express girls?..we almost went there last year but backed off when it seemed sketchy when we asked about details--players/fees/coaches,etc.---is it because its another Boys centric program(like fl$) that just collects fees from girls program to fund the boys?...it seems like they have decent coaches on boys side....and apparently they have new girls director?...


Our experience was that they treated the team with no regard for coaching quality (NO EXPERIENCED COACHES on the sidelines for most tourney games) and worse still they treated parents like complete crap when they were questioned about this.... Practice was thinly attended, infrequent, and MOSTLY poorly coached. They can tout whatever they want on the boys side, but for the girls, they would have been beaten by most PAL teams.

My opinion mind you, but one from direct experience. Other's mileage may vary.
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Originally Posted by anonomous
what seems to be issue with Express girls?..we almost went there last year but backed off when it seemed sketchy when we asked about details--players/fees/coaches,etc.---is it because its another Boys centric program(like fl$) that just collects fees from girls program to fund the boys?...it seems like they have decent coaches on boys side....and apparently they have new girls director?...


Our experience was that they treated the team with no regard for coaching quality (NO EXPERIENCED COACHES on the sidelines for most tourney games) and worse still they treated parents like complete crap when they were questioned about this.... Practice was thinly attended, infrequent, and MOSTLY poorly coached. They can tout whatever they want on the boys side, but for the girls, they would have been beaten by most PAL teams.

My opinion mind you, but one from direct experience. Other's mileage may vary.


Express is basically PAL with traveling. Practices are poorly attended and even tournaments are not well attended by all. Coaching is not bad but if you are not getting everyone to attend practice , only half the team knows what to do. There is no fear of not playing when most times you are happy to have enough to field a complete team.
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what seems to be issue with Express girls?..we almost went there last year but backed off when it seemed sketchy when we asked about details--players/fees/coaches,etc.---is it because its another Boys centric program(like fl$) that just collects fees from girls program to fund the boys?...it seems like they have decent coaches on boys side....and apparently they have new girls director?...


Our experience was that they treated the team with no regard for coaching quality (NO EXPERIENCED COACHES on the sidelines for most tourney games) and worse still they treated parents like complete crap when they were questioned about this.... Practice was thinly attended, infrequent, and MOSTLY poorly coached. They can tout whatever they want on the boys side, but for the girls, they would have been beaten by most PAL teams.

My opinion mind you, but one from direct experience. Other's mileage may vary.


Express is basically PAL with traveling. Practices are poorly attended and even tournaments are not well attended by all. Coaching is not bad but if you are not getting everyone to attend practice , only half the team knows what to do. There is no fear of not playing when most times you are happy to have enough to field a complete team.


Agree with that last bit--- there were often only 2-3 subs on travel tourneys--- girls were spent shells a game or two in. All this = NO 2020 team this year it seems... The organization deserved it for having run it like such crapola.


I guess it is somewhat refreshing to know, and in some small way, to see that parents cant be counted on --all the time--to just throw money at a crap product...maybe the other programs take a bit of notice and see that the parents still have power and the juice to call the shots...nah, wishful thinking...
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I guess it is somewhat refreshing to know, and in some small way, to see that parents cant be counted on --all the time--to just throw money at a crap product...maybe the other programs take a bit of notice and see that the parents still have power and the juice to call the shots...nah, wishful thinking...


YJ will be down a team or 2 as well in in 2020. A report just came out saying Lacrosse has the most players who's parents income is $100,000 or more. This is no longer a game for the masses due to the high year round cost.
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Originally Posted by anonomous
I guess it is somewhat refreshing to know, and in some small way, to see that parents cant be counted on --all the time--to just throw money at a crap product...maybe the other programs take a bit of notice and see that the parents still have power and the juice to call the shots...nah, wishful thinking...


YJ will be down a team or 2 as well in in 2020. A report just came out saying Lacrosse has the most players who's parents income is $100,000 or more. This is no longer a game for the masses due to the high year round cost.


Being down a team or two is one thing, not fielding a team for an entire age group is another. Express blew it hard on this. Agree, nice to see parents give a team org a big [lacrosse] once in a while. It won't kill express but it is a stain on them.
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Originally Posted by anonomous
I guess it is somewhat refreshing to know, and in some small way, to see that parents cant be counted on --all the time--to just throw money at a crap product...maybe the other programs take a bit of notice and see that the parents still have power and the juice to call the shots...nah, wishful thinking...


YJ will be down a team or 2 as well in in 2020. A report just came out saying Lacrosse has the most players who's parents income is $100,000 or more. This is no longer a game for the masses due to the high year round cost.
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100K is minimum wage to live on LI, the NYC metro area and anywhere within two hours of DC, Boston, Chicago LA, etc. so I'm not quite sure what you are talking about - unless you were one of the people marching for a $15 minimum wage
Being down a team or two , when you shouldn't have 5 teams is one thing, but not being able to field a team in the 2020'age group is embarrassing . They are not a good program for girls. TG not being able to field a 2nd team is puzzling
There is a reason TG didn't post their rosters this year
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Being down a team or two , when you shouldn't have 5 teams is one thing, but not being able to field a team in the 2020'age group is embarrassing . They are not a good program for girls. TG not being able to field a 2nd team is puzzling


TG is not having trouble fielding a team in the 2020 age group
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Being down a team or two , when you shouldn't have 5 teams is one thing, but not being able to field a team in the 2020'age group is embarrassing . They are not a good program for girls. TG not being able to field a 2nd team is puzzling


TG is not having trouble fielding a team in the 2020 age group

Oh yes they are.. TG is in a lot of trouble 12 girls left black this year for other clubs what is that telling you? Purple is simply put just horrible and a lot of parents declined their spots this year. But it's not just his age group TG is having major issues at all levels.
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Being down a team or two , when you shouldn't have 5 teams is one thing, but not being able to field a team in the 2020'age group is embarrassing . They are not a good program for girls. TG not being able to field a 2nd team is puzzling


TG is not having trouble fielding a team in the 2020 age group

Oh yes they are.. TG is in a lot of trouble 12 girls left black this year for other clubs what is that telling you? Purple is simply put just horrible and a lot of parents declined their spots this year. But it's not just his age group TG is having major issues at all levels.


Stop with the lies. you have no idea what you are talking about.
Only 2 girls left Black.
2020 purple is
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Being down a team or two , when you shouldn't have 5 teams is one thing, but not being able to field a team in the 2020'age group is embarrassing . They are not a good program for girls. TG not being able to field a 2nd team is puzzling


TG is not having trouble fielding a team in the 2020 age group

Oh yes they are.. TG is in a lot of trouble 12 girls left black this year for other clubs what is that telling you? Purple is simply put just horrible and a lot of parents declined their spots this year. But it's not just his age group TG is having major issues at all levels.


Stop with the lies. you have no idea what you are talking about.
Only 2 girls left Black.


That's incorrect, 11 girls left. Look at the roster for the games this weekend and you will see that there are 12 new girls on black. Do your research and get the facts before you try to save face. No need to lie, the facts are all out there. The team is like a brand new team with over half the players new. Check elevate, legacy, Liberty and YJ for the players that left TG black this year.
YJ may be the top club but TG is the second best hard to dispute that.
apparently TG 2020 purple is softer than a weak PAL team...
How is the Black?
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YJ may be the top club but TG is the second best hard to dispute that.


I'm going to assume you mean on LI?


Families that can afford more, play more. Year round Lacrosse is now a country club sport. There is very little middle ground left. The sport especially at the HS level has squeezed out anyone that doesn't play travel because no one passes those who don't play the ball. Its a problem

It also looks like travel peaked on Long Island a year or 2 ago. Many programs have given back all the growth they had over the last few years.
[quote=Anonymous]How is the Black?

Very strong with SS coaching
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[quote=Anonymous]How is the Black?

Very strong with SS coaching


Ha ha ha not even close to being strong,Talent has dropped of drastically. How strong can the team be with 4 team yj players, and loaded with other B team players
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[quote=Anonymous]How is the Black?

Very strong with SS coaching


please ,strong compared to what other clubs c team. They are at best the 3 or 4th best 2020 team on Long island and most likely the 5th best. SS tried her best to keep players from leaving by saying she was going to put all this time into this team, sadly the only kid she really wanted to stay left and she will not be doing much with this team as her Hofstra team needs attention
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[quote=Anonymous]How is the Black?

Very strong with SS coaching


Ha ha ha not even close to being strong,Talent has dropped of drastically. How strong can the team be with 4 team yj players, and loaded with other B team players


Tell us how you really feel Mr YJ Blue parent? You all just love getting crossed off Christmas card lists
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Being down a team or two , when you shouldn't have 5 teams is one thing, but not being able to field a team in the 2020'age group is embarrassing . They are not a good program for girls. TG not being able to field a 2nd team is puzzling


TG is not having trouble fielding a team in the 2020 age group

Oh yes they are.. TG is in a lot of trouble 12 girls left black this year for other clubs what is that telling you? Purple is simply put just horrible and a lot of parents declined their spots this year. But it's not just his age group TG is having major issues at all levels.


Stop with the lies. you have no idea what you are talking about.
Only 2 girls left Black.


That's incorrect, 11 girls left. Look at the roster for the games this weekend and you will see that there are 12 new girls on black. Do your research and get the facts before you try to save face. No need to lie, the facts are all out there. The team is like a brand new team with over half the players new. Check elevate, legacy, Liberty and YJ for the players that left TG black this year.

I try not to respond here ever. But i'll give it a go. The Top player left for YJ, good luck she is a great player .One defender left for Legacy, good luck to her as well. two girls quit travel lacrosse totally. the other girls were not invited back to the black team, for whatever reason. they were replaced with players SS feels fit what she's trying to do. Not sure where you see 11. This is not a game, picking on 13 year old girls to puff out your own chest. So yes there is turnover, but it's not quite how you drew it up. It's obvious that this is not the same team it was two years ago, but don't knock the girls that stayed. I'm especially ashamed for the parents who were on the sidelines that praised all the positive things the girls had the first couple years but now badmouth the girls that stayed. You guys should especially be ashamed of yourselves, just a bunch of pathetic losers who have nothing else to do with your time. You know who you are, just move on, if you're daughter is happy let it go.
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]How is the Black?

Very strong with SS coaching


please ,strong compared to what other clubs c team. They are at best the 3 or 4th best 2020 team on Long island and most likely the 5th best. SS tried her best to keep players from leaving by saying she was going to put all this time into this team, sadly the only kid she really wanted to stay left and she will not be doing much with this team as her Hofstra team needs attention

YJ are better however TG beat Legacy and Elevate last summer
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Being down a team or two , when you shouldn't have 5 teams is one thing, but not being able to field a team in the 2020'age group is embarrassing . They are not a good program for girls. TG not being able to field a 2nd team is puzzling


TG is not having trouble fielding a team in the 2020 age group

Oh yes they are.. TG is in a lot of trouble 12 girls left black this year for other clubs what is that telling you? Purple is simply put just horrible and a lot of parents declined their spots this year. But it's not just his age group TG is having major issues at all levels.


Stop with the lies. you have no idea what you are talking about.
Only 2 girls left Black.


That's incorrect, 11 girls left. Look at the roster for the games this weekend and you will see that there are 12 new girls on black. Do your research and get the facts before you try to save face. No need to lie, the facts are all out there. The team is like a brand new team with over half the players new. Check elevate, legacy, Liberty and YJ for the players that left TG black this year.

I try not to respond here ever. But i'll give it a go. The Top player left for YJ, good luck she is a great player .One defender left for Legacy, good luck to her as well. two girls quit travel lacrosse totally. the other girls were not invited back to the black team, for whatever reason. they were replaced with players SS feels fit what she's trying to do. Not sure where you see 11. This is not a game, picking on 13 year old girls to puff out your own chest. So yes there is turnover, but it's not quite how you drew it up. It's obvious that this is not the same team it was two years ago, but don't knock the girls that stayed. I'm especially ashamed for the parents who were on the sidelines that praised all the positive things the girls had the first couple years but now badmouth the girls that stayed. You guys should especially be ashamed of yourselves, just a bunch of pathetic losers who have nothing else to do with your time. You know who you are, just move on, if you're daughter is happy let it go.


This paragraph you wrote just confirms what everyone else already knows, that more than a handful of girls have walked away from TG and will continue to do so. It's funny that the two that you claim quit lax completely now play travel lax for other clubs and that is a fact. It also proves what's been said that this club/team is now just a shell of its former self and is continuing on a downward spiral quickly. How does a club go from number 1 in an age group to now number 3 or 4 on Long Island? Nothing against the girls that stayed but you parents need to face reality that the team/club is now where near A level anymore. And with the talent pool dwindling on Long Island, doesn't look like they will ever be back to the TG they used to be 2 years ago. College coach or not SS will not be able to do anything about it other than tell you your kid is going to be the next "it" kid and just stick around, she will devote all her attention and time blah blah blah
All of this proves 2 things - some are following the current hot coach to Legacy and some are going to the top program where any parent could coach that team. People aren't choosing YJ's 2020 for the coaching just the uniform.Just roll out the balls and get out of the way. If you are in a middle club keeping talent is going to be hit or miss. Good luck to everyone on their journey
If all of these girls are leaving TG like you say for other teams, then TG must be doing a real good job developing talent. If a star-packed team has 24 superior athletes from top to bottom of the roster, then most girls will only play half of the game. Isn't it better for 13 year olds to play more than half of a game and continue to develop? Stacked teams from top to bottom don't really allow room for development. And how about 24 egos to feed?
don't have daughter in TG program-- she plays for Liberty-- but don't make it seem earth shattering that girls move around every year. ALL programs have turnover, even one as esteemed as TG so is it really noteworthy that a bunch of girls left TG? a bunch stayed so that says that they are doing right thing by girls too, right?
and I agree that if these former TG players are joining other teams and possibly having an impact--time will tell--then that truly does speak to the job that SS and TG are doing with their players. There will ALWAYS be disgruntled families for whatever reason, so it is their prerogative to move on if they choose--lord knows there are plenty of programs that will take their Credit Card or checks. But it seems like someone is having a beef with TG.
Seriously? This is what people are taking out of this, that the TG organization does such a great job developing talent and they walk away to be game changers for all the other clubs? Not very good at spinning this are you. Listen, that team was a great collection of talent for the first two years. I will give TG's credit in that they initially attracted the top talent when that team first came together. Their ability to continue to attract talent has fallen off a cliff since then at all age levels. And worse is the track record to keep talent. They have watched some of the very top girls in several age groups, walk away. Do you really think they developed the talent that made 2020 what they once were? No, those kids walked on developed and ran when they recognized the lack of development. I actually hope the TG situation settles down and stabilizes, I love the idea of multiple strong clubs available for girls to choose from, but lets keep the ridiculous spin theories to a minimum.
TG has lost their top talent on 2018, 2019, and 2020. As soon as the girls get closer to recruiting age, they jump ship. It's not just one team, it's throughout the entire club. U15 champs from YJ had 6 former TG girls on it. These players aren't being developed, they are coming to the program already very talented. TG does nothing to keep these girls in the program. Can't put my finger on exactly what they are doing wrong but it is definitely something serious if they have such a defection every year.
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Seriously? This is what people are taking out of this, that the TG organization does such a great job developing talent and they walk away to be game changers for all the other clubs? Not very good at spinning this are you. Listen, that team was a great collection of talent for the first two years. I will give TG's credit in that they initially attracted the top talent when that team first came together. Their ability to continue to attract talent has fallen off a cliff since then at all age levels. And worse is the track record to keep talent. They have watched some of the very top girls in several age groups, walk away. Do you really think they developed the talent that made 2020 what they once were? No, those kids walked on developed and ran when they recognized the lack of development. I actually hope the TG situation settles down and stabilizes, I love the idea of multiple strong clubs available for girls to choose from, but lets keep the ridiculous spin theories to a minimum.


Well said, I was baffled at the lunacy that I was reading. These people should be PR reps, they actually make the spin sound credible.
The most talented girls already with talent are going to the YJ's. The YJ's who most would say is the strongest LI girls program just keeps accepting these all star transfers and putting them on their blue teams while demoting long standing YJ players. YJ's have always recruited and stolen players because they can offer the best club visibility (as long as they put you on the field). As for the YJ coaching, some are great but many are 20 something girls who have great playing resumes but are hardly coaches or teachers. Its like coaching Lebron, hand him the ball and go sit and watch.
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Seriously? This is what people are taking out of this, that the TG organization does such a great job developing talent and they walk away to be game changers for all the other clubs? Not very good at spinning this are you. Listen, that team was a great collection of talent for the first two years. I will give TG's credit in that they initially attracted the top talent when that team first came together. Their ability to continue to attract talent has fallen off a cliff since then at all age levels. And worse is the track record to keep talent. They have watched some of the very top girls in several age groups, walk away. Do you really think they developed the talent that made 2020 what they once were? No, those kids walked on developed and ran when they recognized the lack of development. I actually hope the TG situation settles down and stabilizes, I love the idea of multiple strong clubs available for girls to choose from, but lets keep the ridiculous spin theories to a minimum.


Well said, I was baffled at the lunacy that I was reading. These people should be PR reps, they actually make the spin sound credible.


Top players are leaving because there's no reason to stay, coaching is bad, recruiting is great if you want to go to Hofstra or have a 2100+ on your SAT scores and they keep filling teams with B and C and below level players.
PS - the third 2019 from LI just committed to a top program 2 of the 3 are kids who left TG program
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]How is the Black?

Very strong with SS coaching


please ,strong compared to what other clubs c team. They are at best the 3 or 4th best 2020 team on Long island and most likely the 5th best. SS tried her best to keep players from leaving by saying she was going to put all this time into this team, sadly the only kid she really wanted to stay left and she will not be doing much with this team as her Hofstra team needs attention

YJ are better however TG beat Legacy and Elevate last summer


Not this version og tg players, they won't be able to handle yj B team
Please stop acting like TG 2020 had so many great players leave . When that team was successful they relied almost exclusively on one kid . Yes some of their better players left prior to last year but they are all essentially role players for the clubs they joined . Will the new superstar make YJ team better , probably not as not much of a team player . Will it hurt TG terribly , yes and no , they will most certainly lose more games as she was their whole offense , will the kids and parents be more happy and play more like a team , probably.
TG was successful early when they first started and the girls they got were those who jumped ship from other clubs. They are losing girls of all abilities to other clubs due to their poor coaching and development model. SS does not "over-see" each team as they claim see does. The college girls don't join their teams until sometime around the first tournament in late May/ June. The winter clinic has been held at a sub-par facility at god awful early times on a Sunday.
What was Island wide reach of TG, has turned TG into a local travel program for Babylon, WI, West Babylon and Bayshore. Girls from other towns have left due to preferential treatment for these towns. These are all contributing factors to the continued decline of TG.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seriously? This is what people are taking out of this, that the TG organization does such a great job developing talent and they walk away to be game changers for all the other clubs? Not very good at spinning this are you. Listen, that team was a great collection of talent for the first two years. I will give TG's credit in that they initially attracted the top talent when that team first came together. Their ability to continue to attract talent has fallen off a cliff since then at all age levels. And worse is the track record to keep talent. They have watched some of the very top girls in several age groups, walk away. Do you really think they developed the talent that made 2020 what they once were? No, those kids walked on developed and ran when they recognized the lack of development. I actually hope the TG situation settles down and stabilizes, I love the idea of multiple strong clubs available for girls to choose from, but lets keep the ridiculous spin theories to a minimum.


Well said, I was baffled at the lunacy that I was reading. These people should be PR reps, they actually make the spin sound credible.


Top players are leaving because there's no reason to stay, coaching is bad, recruiting is great if you want to go to Hofstra or have a 2100+ on your SAT scores and they keep filling teams with B and C and below level players.
PS - the third 2019 from LI just committed to a top program 2 of the 3 are kids who left TG program


So YJ's get the credit for players that didn't start with them
You're so right
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seriously? This is what people are taking out of this, that the TG organization does such a great job developing talent and they walk away to be game changers for all the other clubs? Not very good at spinning this are you. Listen, that team was a great collection of talent for the first two years. I will give TG's credit in that they initially attracted the top talent when that team first came together. Their ability to continue to attract talent has fallen off a cliff since then at all age levels. And worse is the track record to keep talent. They have watched some of the very top girls in several age groups, walk away. Do you really think they developed the talent that made 2020 what they once were? No, those kids walked on developed and ran when they recognized the lack of development. I actually hope the TG situation settles down and stabilizes, I love the idea of multiple strong clubs available for girls to choose from, but lets keep the ridiculous spin theories to a minimum.


Well said, I was baffled at the lunacy that I was reading. These people should be PR reps, they actually make the spin sound credible.


Top players are leaving because there's no reason to stay, coaching is bad, recruiting is great if you want to go to Hofstra or have a 2100+ on your SAT scores and they keep filling teams with B and C and below level players.
PS - the third 2019 from LI just committed to a top program 2 of the 3 are kids who left TG program


So YJ's get the credit for players that didn't start with them


Sorry but that's really a dumb statement. Maybe her first grade PAL coach should get the credit or maybe she's just a gifted athlete who decided to move to a different club?
What YJ should get credit for attracting the top players on the island.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seriously? This is what people are taking out of this, that the TG organization does such a great job developing talent and they walk away to be game changers for all the other clubs? Not very good at spinning this are you. Listen, that team was a great collection of talent for the first two years. I will give TG's credit in that they initially attracted the top talent when that team first came together. Their ability to continue to attract talent has fallen off a cliff since then at all age levels. And worse is the track record to keep talent. They have watched some of the very top girls in several age groups, walk away. Do you really think they developed the talent that made 2020 what they once were? No, those kids walked on developed and ran when they recognized the lack of development. I actually hope the TG situation settles down and stabilizes, I love the idea of multiple strong clubs available for girls to choose from, but lets keep the ridiculous spin theories to a minimum.


Yeah. Right. 10 year old girls walked on developed.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seriously? This is what people are taking out of this, that the TG organization does such a great job developing talent and they walk away to be game changers for all the other clubs? Not very good at spinning this are you. Listen, that team was a great collection of talent for the first two years. I will give TG's credit in that they initially attracted the top talent when that team first came together. Their ability to continue to attract talent has fallen off a cliff since then at all age levels. And worse is the track record to keep talent. They have watched some of the very top girls in several age groups, walk away. Do you really think they developed the talent that made 2020 what they once were? No, those kids walked on developed and ran when they recognized the lack of development. I actually hope the TG situation settles down and stabilizes, I love the idea of multiple strong clubs available for girls to choose from, but lets keep the ridiculous spin theories to a minimum.


Yeah. Right. 10 year old girls walked on developed.


So what exactly is your point? Even if this club had part in her development into a top player does she owe them something? Isnt this the reason why we are all paying for club lacrosse in the first place? Is the real reason you are so twisted that she went to YJ and maybe a hint of envy?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seriously? This is what people are taking out of this, that the TG organization does such a great job developing talent and they walk away to be game changers for all the other clubs? Not very good at spinning this are you. Listen, that team was a great collection of talent for the first two years. I will give TG's credit in that they initially attracted the top talent when that team first came together. Their ability to continue to attract talent has fallen off a cliff since then at all age levels. And worse is the track record to keep talent. They have watched some of the very top girls in several age groups, walk away. Do you really think they developed the talent that made 2020 what they once were? No, those kids walked on developed and ran when they recognized the lack of development. I actually hope the TG situation settles down and stabilizes, I love the idea of multiple strong clubs available for girls to choose from, but lets keep the ridiculous spin theories to a minimum.


Yeah. Right. 10 year old girls walked on developed.


So what exactly is your point? Even if this club had part in her development into a top player does she owe them something? Isnt this the reason why we are all paying for club lacrosse in the first place? Is the real reason you are so twisted that she went to YJ and maybe a hint of envy?

Maybe girls are finding they are quickly outgrowing anything TG can offer them. TG is a step ahead of beachbums at this point.
and when they had someone coaching them
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seriously? This is what people are taking out of this, that the TG organization does such a great job developing talent and they walk away to be game changers for all the other clubs? Not very good at spinning this are you. Listen, that team was a great collection of talent for the first two years. I will give TG's credit in that they initially attracted the top talent when that team first came together. Their ability to continue to attract talent has fallen off a cliff since then at all age levels. And worse is the track record to keep talent. They have watched some of the very top girls in several age groups, walk away. Do you really think they developed the talent that made 2020 what they once were? No, those kids walked on developed and ran when they recognized the lack of development. I actually hope the TG situation settles down and stabilizes, I love the idea of multiple strong clubs available for girls to choose from, but lets keep the ridiculous spin theories to a minimum.


Yeah. Right. 10 year old girls walked on developed.


So what exactly is your point? Even if this club had part in her development into a top player does she owe them something? Isnt this the reason why we are all paying for club lacrosse in the first place? Is the real reason you are so twisted that she went to YJ and maybe a hint of envy?


To say that anyone would be envious of another travel program just shows what a twisted individual you are.
Maybe US Lacrosse should implement a salary cap so YJ can't keep taking other teams' players.
[lacrosse]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe US Lacrosse should implement a salary cap so YJ can't keep taking other teams' players.


So they didn't leave on their own; YJ took them..... gotcha!
All above average lacrosse players go to YJ like all souls go to the light.

In many cases, it's more like an unsuspecting moth flying to a light which they think is hope, but ends up being a very large bug zapper.
Wasted weekend
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wasted weekend


How so?
We were talking to some new people this weekend about our daughter and recruiting. I was shocked to hear that some schools wont want our daughter depending on her major? That left a really sour taste about the whole D1 process with these kids being employees and not students. Our daughter is very good but not great so I don't think she will have the power to have coaches look the other way if she picks a super hard major for her lifelong CAREER!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We were talking to some new people this weekend about our daughter and recruiting. I was shocked to hear that some schools wont want our daughter depending on her major? That left a really sour taste about the whole D1 process with these kids being employees and not students. Our daughter is very good but not great so I don't think she will have the power to have coaches look the other way if she picks a super hard major for her lifelong CAREER!


This is very true, and a reason why a lot of talented kids do not attend a highly ranked lacrosse school. They own you...plain and simple.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We were talking to some new people this weekend about our daughter and recruiting. I was shocked to hear that some schools wont want our daughter depending on her major? That left a really sour taste about the whole D1 process with these kids being employees and not students. Our daughter is very good but not great so I don't think she will have the power to have coaches look the other way if she picks a super hard major for her lifelong CAREER!


What majors are considered easy? Which majors are considered hard? Some schools are known for certain areas of study as well. Can you elaborate?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We were talking to some new people this weekend about our daughter and recruiting. I was shocked to hear that some schools wont want our daughter depending on her major? That left a really sour taste about the whole D1 process with these kids being employees and not students. Our daughter is very good but not great so I don't think she will have the power to have coaches look the other way if she picks a super hard major for her lifelong CAREER!


What majors are considered easy? Which majors are considered hard? Some schools are known for certain areas of study as well. Can you elaborate?
Medical and Architecture are two of the biggest non lacrosse majors, some engineering majors also, anything that takes the student off campus for clinical or field work. Communications is the modern day "basket weaving", business is also a good Lax Major. Nursing is out for most schools except Marquette, Jacksonville and L.I.U. I personally think it's a travesty that the biggest D1 school on L.I. is known for its Medical program but does not have a single medical related major on it's roster. S.B. will be turning out a lot of Y.J. coaches for the future.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We were talking to some new people this weekend about our daughter and recruiting. I was shocked to hear that some schools wont want our daughter depending on her major? That left a really sour taste about the whole D1 process with these kids being employees and not students. Our daughter is very good but not great so I don't think she will have the power to have coaches look the other way if she picks a super hard major for her lifelong CAREER!


What majors are considered easy? Which majors are considered hard? Some schools are known for certain areas of study as well. Can you elaborate?


Engineering, Nursing, Architecture, Medical or anything with large volumes of projects and offsite requirements at hospitals that are tough to work around team functions.

Easy ones are undecided LOL, communications, Humanities, Health

Go look at the UNC Roster 90% are Undecided, Communications or exercise & sports science majors. Now a degree from UNC is great but nobody is engineering or pre-med, why do you think that is??????
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We were talking to some new people this weekend about our daughter and recruiting. I was shocked to hear that some schools wont want our daughter depending on her major? That left a really sour taste about the whole D1 process with these kids being employees and not students. Our daughter is very good but not great so I don't think she will have the power to have coaches look the other way if she picks a super hard major for her lifelong CAREER!


What majors are considered easy? Which majors are considered hard? Some schools are known for certain areas of study as well. Can you elaborate?


Engineering, Nursing, Architecture, Medical or anything with large volumes of projects and offsite requirements at hospitals that are tough to work around team functions.

Easy ones are undecided LOL, communications, Humanities, Health

Go look at the UNC Roster 90% are Undecided, Communications or exercise & sports science majors. Now a degree from UNC is great but nobody is engineering or pre-med, why do you think that is??????


Well look at Stanford, Princeton, Duke and even Northwestern. They have some pre med and engineering on their rosters. Not easy, and might need summer classes, but those schools have some. Of course those are better schools. So maybe the answer is for the girls to focus on their academics and get into those type of schools?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We were talking to some new people this weekend about our daughter and recruiting. I was shocked to hear that some schools wont want our daughter depending on her major? That left a really sour taste about the whole D1 process with these kids being employees and not students. Our daughter is very good but not great so I don't think she will have the power to have coaches look the other way if she picks a super hard major for her lifelong CAREER!


What majors are considered easy? Which majors are considered hard? Some schools are known for certain areas of study as well. Can you elaborate?


Engineering, Nursing, Architecture, Medical or anything with large volumes of projects and offsite requirements at hospitals that are tough to work around team functions.

Easy ones are undecided LOL, communications, Humanities, Health

Go look at the UNC Roster 90% are Undecided, Communications or exercise & sports science majors. Now a degree from UNC is great but nobody is engineering or pre-med, why do you think that is??????


Well look at Stanford, Princeton, Duke and even Northwestern. They have some pre med and engineering on their rosters. Not easy, and might need summer classes, but those schools have some. Of course those are better schools. So maybe the answer is for the girls to focus on their academics and get into those type of schools?


Look at games and minutes played. The "players" are all in the easy majors. Looks like the bottom of the roster might be the engineer missing some team functions and maybe receiving very little or no athletic money. Playing and a degree from these schools is great but not at the expense of a long term career goal of being an engineer architect doctor or nurse
"So maybe the answer is for the girls to focus on their academics and get into those type of schools?"

Ding, ding, ding - we have a winner! All of the girls should be looking at academics first - college lacrosse is for 4 more years, a college education is for the rest of their lives.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"So maybe the answer is for the girls to focus on their academics and get into those type of schools?"

Ding, ding, ding - we have a winner! All of the girls should be looking at academics first - college lacrosse is for 4 more years, a college education is for the rest of their lives.


There will definitely be some commits that will waver from their major of choice to play at a big time D1 lax program. Usually that decision is swayed by dad who loves telling stories about his daughters game on Monday mornings. We know of more than a handful that are back in school after their 4 year degree now going back to school to change majors. That is never good.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We were talking to some new people this weekend about our daughter and recruiting. I was shocked to hear that some schools wont want our daughter depending on her major? That left a really sour taste about the whole D1 process with these kids being employees and not students. Our daughter is very good but not great so I don't think she will have the power to have coaches look the other way if she picks a super hard major for her lifelong CAREER!


Do your research even before you start talking to the coaches. Then make sure that you daughter knows to ask those questions about majors and etc. We have an older one that has gone through the process. She is headed to a school of her choice to do the major of her choice and not for a championships ring.
good luck to her @ Nassau CC?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
good luck to her @ Nassau CC?


loser
Close. United States Naval Academy.
ur a [lacrosse] with that comment...stay off this site u troll
did you just call him a DK?...or a [lacrosse]?...oh, same thing...
Sheila Nesselbush, Northwestern:
2015: One of just two position players to start all 21 games ... All-Big Ten ... IWLCA Second-Team All-West/Midwest ... Named Big Ten Defensive Player of the Week on February 9 ... Proved to be the Wildcats' most consistent player end to end, leading the Wildcats with 36 ground balls, finishing second with 65 draw controls and ranking fourth on the team with 27 goals ... Ranked fifth in the Big Ten in draw controls per game (3.10) ... Recorded nine multi-goal games, including three hat tricks and a career-high four goals in Northwestern's 16-11 NCAA Tournament win over Notre Dame ... Led the Wildcats with a pair of goals and an assist in the NCAA Tournament quarterfinals against No. 1 Maryland ... Had a season-high seven draw controls against Marquette and Penn State ... Picked up a season-high four ground balls against Syracuse and at Notre Dame ... Scored a pair of game-winning goals and finished the season 7-for-10 on free-position opportunities ... Academic All-Big Ten.

MAJOR: ENGINEERING

So no, they r not all the bench sitters. I will happily find plenty more there, at Stanford, Duke, Princeton and others if you like. Some schools are a great mix of academics and great lacrosse. Others not so much. But to wave your hand indiscriminately over everyone does a disservice to some of these amazing young women that are accomplishing great things on and off the field.

(Cue the snarky "Thanks mom" comments)
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sheila Nesselbush, Northwestern:
2015: One of just two position players to start all 21 games ... All-Big Ten ... IWLCA Second-Team All-West/Midwest ... Named Big Ten Defensive Player of the Week on February 9 ... Proved to be the Wildcats' most consistent player end to end, leading the Wildcats with 36 ground balls, finishing second with 65 draw controls and ranking fourth on the team with 27 goals ... Ranked fifth in the Big Ten in draw controls per game (3.10) ... Recorded nine multi-goal games, including three hat tricks and a career-high four goals in Northwestern's 16-11 NCAA Tournament win over Notre Dame ... Led the Wildcats with a pair of goals and an assist in the NCAA Tournament quarterfinals against No. 1 Maryland ... Had a season-high seven draw controls against Marquette and Penn State ... Picked up a season-high four ground balls against Syracuse and at Notre Dame ... Scored a pair of game-winning goals and finished the season 7-for-10 on free-position opportunities ... Academic All-Big Ten.

MAJOR: ENGINEERING

So no, they r not all the bench sitters. I will happily find plenty more there, at Stanford, Duke, Princeton and others if you like. Some schools are a great mix of academics and great lacrosse. Others not so much. But to wave your hand indiscriminately over everyone does a disservice to some of these amazing young women that are accomplishing great things on and off the field.

(Cue the snarky "Thanks mom" comments)


Don't be so sensitive. Topic started out saying that many schools want to guide you in to certain majors. There is one top 10 team that has half of their seniors still listed as undecided. To the young lady listed above congratulations. For the majority of others who are not 5 star studs its safe to say that they might be guided to lesser majors
Originally Posted by Anonymous
good luck to her @ Nassau CC?


Sorry, where is Nassau CC? We are down in MD - not familiar with your alma mater.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
good luck to her @ Nassau CC?

Whoever you are u deserve that guy to walk up to your door and punch you in the face in front of your wife and kids...you my anonymous friend are a tool
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
good luck to her @ Nassau CC?

Whoever you are u deserve that guy to walk up to your door and punch you in the face in front of your wife and kids...you my anonymous friend are a tool


I agree.. Some jealousy out there.. I am certain that her/he life is very sad.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sheila Nesselbush, Northwestern:
2015: One of just two position players to start all 21 games ... All-Big Ten ... IWLCA Second-Team All-West/Midwest ... Named Big Ten Defensive Player of the Week on February 9 ... Proved to be the Wildcats' most consistent player end to end, leading the Wildcats with 36 ground balls, finishing second with 65 draw controls and ranking fourth on the team with 27 goals ... Ranked fifth in the Big Ten in draw controls per game (3.10) ... Recorded nine multi-goal games, including three hat tricks and a career-high four goals in Northwestern's 16-11 NCAA Tournament win over Notre Dame ... Led the Wildcats with a pair of goals and an assist in the NCAA Tournament quarterfinals against No. 1 Maryland ... Had a season-high seven draw controls against Marquette and Penn State ... Picked up a season-high four ground balls against Syracuse and at Notre Dame ... Scored a pair of game-winning goals and finished the season 7-for-10 on free-position opportunities ... Academic All-Big Ten.

MAJOR: ENGINEERING

So no, they r not all the bench sitters. I will happily find plenty more there, at Stanford, Duke, Princeton and others if you like. Some schools are a great mix of academics and great lacrosse. Others not so much. But to wave your hand indiscriminately over everyone does a disservice to some of these amazing young women that are accomplishing great things on and off the field.

(Cue the snarky "Thanks mom" comments)


Don't be so sensitive. Topic started out saying that many schools want to guide you in to certain majors. There is one top 10 team that has half of their seniors still listed as undecided. To the young lady listed above congratulations. For the majority of others who are not 5 star studs its safe to say that they might be guided to lesser majors


Was in respones to this ...
Look at games and minutes played. The "players" are all in the easy majors. Looks like the bottom of the roster might be the engineer missing some team functions and maybe receiving very little or no athletic money. Playing and a degree from these schools is great but not at the expense of a long term career goal of being an engineer architect doctor or nurse

There are some places that allow both. It isn't easy. But it can be done. But you must have good academics to get into these types of institutions and be outstanding student/athletes. Most cannot do both, either because many schools won't let them, or because it is very difficult even if they let you. But lets also remember that the vast majority of lax players (even w 4.0s and 1600 SATs) wouldn't get into Harvard or Stanford etc. That's just how it is. So thank you lax.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
did you just call him a DK?...or a [lacrosse]?...oh, same thing...


Now THAT'S funny.... LI LAX Dad Humor... and it counts!!!!
"you troll" We have all heard that one many times now. Anyone notice it is the same miserable person on this string day after day. He loves the word "troll" (he must be very intelligent with such a large vocabulary) There are more decent people in the lacrosse world than the few lunatics who come on here day after day and do their best to make the lacrosse community think we are all like him. It is getting more and more obvious that it is a few of the same idiots on here who do nothing but talk down about everyone and everything. He would like to see all these girls and their families fail. Sorry to disappoint you Mr. Troll but no matter how much you come on here and try and bad-mouth everyone that breathes, cream rises to the top! Good luck to all of these very talented girls and their supportive families!
Before I get called a troll or whatever ,does it concern anyone that the recruiting for the TG 2017 and 2018 did not seem to be very strong as in 1) not a high number of kids, 29 for both years 2) not a lot of high caliber lacrosse schools 3)other than a few ivies (which is awesome) not a lot of high level academic schools. Add in that while other clubs have 19's committing and getting a lot of interest TG not so much.Seems as if the 2015-2016 groups were in line with other clubs but since has fallen off. Am I reading too much into it or should I be concerned.
As more and more girls lacrosse programs pop up - or smaller clubs get stronger - I believe the talent level will drop off across the board. YJ does draw the most talent, but in my opinion - is expensive. Look at the boys' side from 5 years ago to today. Many small clubs are having a hard time keeping up with the bigger clubs. It is unfortunate that small clubs - who try to keep prices down - get beaten badly at tournaments and ripped apart here by people who can afford the big time clubs. For some it is who you play for, and how much are you paying. People complain about driving on the turnpike. How about driving an hour to practices and having to stay at those practices because you don't have time to drive home and back if you need to. Parents with more than 1 child athlete are wearing themselves out.
Hey Troll...why are you posting this on the 2020 forum?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Before I get called a troll or whatever ,does it concern anyone that the recruiting for the TG 2017 and 2018 did not seem to be very strong as in 1) not a high number of kids, 29 for both years 2) not a lot of high caliber lacrosse schools 3)other than a few ivies (which is awesome) not a lot of high level academic schools. Add in that while other clubs have 19's committing and getting a lot of interest TG not so much.Seems as if the 2015-2016 groups were in line with other clubs but since has fallen off. Am I reading too much into it or should I be concerned.


Colleges recruit players... some clubs have more players than others... if your daughter can play. TG, YJ, Elevate they will be found* and recruited.
*Found = a whole lot of work/emails/visits/camps/clinics/prospect days done by the player and parents
Oh yeah should a parent go to the college prospect days and the girls play. Do your kid a favor be a positive influence on the process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Before I get called a troll or whatever ,does it concern anyone that the recruiting for the TG 2017 and 2018 did not seem to be very strong as in 1) not a high number of kids, 29 for both years 2) not a lot of high caliber lacrosse schools 3)other than a few ivies (which is awesome) not a lot of high level academic schools. Add in that while other clubs have 19's committing and getting a lot of interest TG not so much.Seems as if the 2015-2016 groups were in line with other clubs but since has fallen off. Am I reading too much into it or should I be concerned.


Colleges recruit players... some clubs have more players than others... if your daughter can play. TG, YJ, Elevate they will be found* and recruited.
*Found = a whole lot of work/emails/visits/camps/clinics/prospect days done by the player and parents
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Before I get called a troll or whatever ,does it concern anyone that the recruiting for the TG 2017 and 2018 did not seem to be very strong as in 1) not a high number of kids, 29 for both years 2) not a lot of high caliber lacrosse schools 3)other than a few ivies (which is awesome) not a lot of high level academic schools. Add in that while other clubs have 19's committing and getting a lot of interest TG not so much.Seems as if the 2015-2016 groups were in line with other clubs but since has fallen off. Am I reading too much into it or should I be concerned.


If by "other clubs" you mean YJ then yes they are way behind. But as in the past the number of TG recruits exceed all other LI clubs with the exception of Elevate 2017 which happens to be a pretty special group of players. Why be concerned. If you do the work and your daughter can play she will find a spot where she fits
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh yeah should a parent go to the college prospect days and the girls play. Do your kid a favor be a positive influence on the process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Before I get called a troll or whatever ,does it concern anyone that the recruiting for the TG 2017 and 2018 did not seem to be very strong as in 1) not a high number of kids, 29 for both years 2) not a lot of high caliber lacrosse schools 3)other than a few ivies (which is awesome) not a lot of high level academic schools. Add in that while other clubs have 19's committing and getting a lot of interest TG not so much.Seems as if the 2015-2016 groups were in line with other clubs but since has fallen off. Am I reading too much into it or should I be concerned.


Colleges recruit players... some clubs have more players than others... if your daughter can play. TG, YJ, Elevate they will be found* and recruited.
*Found = a whole lot of work/emails/visits/camps/clinics/prospect days done by the player and parents


The majority of the 2018 TG players on purple and white are D3 players at best. There is nothing wrong with that but they are spending a lot of money and will not get even close to that back from any college they wind up at.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey Troll...why are you posting this on the 2020 forum?


Hey douchie, posted it here because my kid is a 2020 and the recruiting process starts now (unfortunately ) for this age group. The old standard "colleges recruit players not teams "all sounds good but seems like the top lax/academic schools are not recruiting players from different clubs equally. Is that because YJ truly gets the best players and college coaches realize that, is it because CR has strong relationships with the colleges, do they do a better job marketing kids, go to the right tournaments, why?
oh, ok..because that was so clear from your earlier post...[lacrosse] wad
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey Troll...why are you posting this on the 2020 forum?


Hey douchie, posted it here because my kid is a 2020 and the recruiting process starts now (unfortunately ) for this age group. The old standard "colleges recruit players not teams "all sounds good but seems like the top lax/academic schools are not recruiting players from different clubs equally. Is that because YJ truly gets the best players and college coaches realize that, is it because CR has strong relationships with the colleges, do they do a better job marketing kids, go to the right tournaments, why?


Pretty simple right? The YJ and M&D's of the world get the first looks from coaches. Why wouldn't they?
Recruiters would make a huge mistake by only taking girls from certain programs. That's nonsense. Their job is to recruit. If a girl is good, she will be recruited because she is good. If a girl shines on a poor team she will be noticed that much more.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Recruiters would make a huge mistake by only taking girls from certain programs. That's nonsense. Their job is to recruit. If a girl is good, she will be recruited because she is good. If a girl shines on a poor team she will be noticed that much more.


Not so fast, If you were recruiting football would you be going to watch a Clemson or Alabama game or a kid from a school like Hofstra when they had a team? Big clubs attract the best talent and coaches know that. What nobody says is that the big clubs DONT always have the best coaches. Wayne Chrebet was great from Hofstra be he was a 1 in 10,000






[quote=Anonymous]Sheila Nesselbush, Northwestern:
2015: One of just two position players to start all 21 games ... All-Big Ten ... IWLCA Second-Team All-West/Midwest ... Named Big Ten Defensive Player of the Week on February 9 ... Proved to be the Wildcats' most consistent player end to end, leading the Wildcats with 36 ground balls, finishing second with 65 draw controls and ranking fourth on the team with 27 goals ... Ranked fifth in the Big Ten in draw controls per game (3.10) ... Recorded nine multi-goal games, including three hat tricks and a career-high four goals in Northwestern's 16-11 NCAA Tournament win over Notre Dame ... Led the Wildcats with a pair of goals and an assist in the NCAA Tournament quarterfinals against No. 1 Maryland ... Had a season-high seven draw controls against Marquette and Penn State ... Picked up a season-high four ground balls against Syracuse and at Notre Dame ... Scored a pair of game-winning goals and finished the season 7-for-10 on free-position opportunities ... Academic All-Big Ten.

MAJOR: ENGINEERING

So no, they r not all the bench sitters. I will happily find plenty more there, at Stanford, Duke, Princeton and others if you like. Some schools are a great mix of academics and great lacrosse. Others not so much. But to wave your hand indiscriminately over everyone does a disservice to some of these amazing young women that are accomplishing great things on and off the field.

(Cue the snarky "Thanks mom" comments)
[/quoteI did some research. I looked at the top 5 schools MD,UNC,Duke,FLAl. and Cuse along with Stanford, Princeton, Yale, Cornell. Duke and Princeton do not tell majors for students. out of the rest, there were 61 undeclared majors. Stan led the way with 19 followed by UMD with 17. There was 1 Nursing major(unc), 2 pre med (cuse), 1 engineering (fla). There are 22sport related majors. There are 4 schools that quite obviously steer there students to certain majors Fla. (social and behavioral science), UNC (journalism and mass communication), Cuse(sports and human dynamics), Cornell (hotel management)
[quote=Anonymous [/quoteI did some research. I looked at the top 5 schools MD,UNC,Duke,FLAl. and Cuse along with Stanford, Princeton, Yale, Cornell. Duke and Princeton do not tell majors for students. out of the rest, there were 61 undeclared majors. Stan led the way with 19 followed by UMD with 17. There was 1 Nursing major(unc), 2 pre med (cuse), 1 engineering (fla). There are 22sport related majors. There are 4 schools that quite obviously steer there students to certain majors Fla. (social and behavioral science), UNC (journalism and mass communication), Cuse(sports and human dynamics), Cornell (hotel management) [/quote]

This proves the point. Still great schools but the big programs want you in manageable majors. It's eye opening
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Sheila Nesselbush, Northwestern:
2015: One of just two position players to start all 21 games ... All-Big Ten ... IWLCA Second-Team All-West/Midwest ... Named Big Ten Defensive Player of the Week on February 9 ... Proved to be the Wildcats' most consistent player end to end, leading the Wildcats with 36 ground balls, finishing second with 65 draw controls and ranking fourth on the team with 27 goals ... Ranked fifth in the Big Ten in draw controls per game (3.10) ... Recorded nine multi-goal games, including three hat tricks and a career-high four goals in Northwestern's 16-11 NCAA Tournament win over Notre Dame ... Led the Wildcats with a pair of goals and an assist in the NCAA Tournament quarterfinals against No. 1 Maryland ... Had a season-high seven draw controls against Marquette and Penn State ... Picked up a season-high four ground balls against Syracuse and at Notre Dame ... Scored a pair of game-winning goals and finished the season 7-for-10 on free-position opportunities ... Academic All-Big Ten.

MAJOR: ENGINEERING

So no, they r not all the bench sitters. I will happily find plenty more there, at Stanford, Duke, Princeton and others if you like. Some schools are a great mix of academics and great lacrosse. Others not so much. But to wave your hand indiscriminately over everyone does a disservice to some of these amazing young women that are accomplishing great things on and off the field.

(Cue the snarky "Thanks mom" comments)
[/quoteI did some research. I looked at the top 5 schools MD,UNC,Duke,FLAl. and Cuse along with Stanford, Princeton, Yale, Cornell. Duke and Princeton do not tell majors for students. out of the rest, there were 61 undeclared majors. Stan led the way with 19 followed by UMD with 17. There was 1 Nursing major(unc), 2 pre med (cuse), 1 engineering (fla). There are 22sport related majors. There are 4 schools that quite obviously steer there students to certain majors Fla. (social and behavioral science), UNC (journalism and mass communication), Cuse(sports and human dynamics), Cornell (hotel management)


The Cornell Hotel School is arguably the best on the country for that major.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Sheila Nesselbush, Northwestern:
2015: One of just two position players to start all 21 games ... All-Big Ten ... IWLCA Second-Team All-West/Midwest ... Named Big Ten Defensive Player of the Week on February 9 ... Proved to be the Wildcats' most consistent player end to end, leading the Wildcats with 36 ground balls, finishing second with 65 draw controls and ranking fourth on the team with 27 goals ... Ranked fifth in the Big Ten in draw controls per game (3.10) ... Recorded nine multi-goal games, including three hat tricks and a career-high four goals in Northwestern's 16-11 NCAA Tournament win over Notre Dame ... Led the Wildcats with a pair of goals and an assist in the NCAA Tournament quarterfinals against No. 1 Maryland ... Had a season-high seven draw controls against Marquette and Penn State ... Picked up a season-high four ground balls against Syracuse and at Notre Dame ... Scored a pair of game-winning goals and finished the season 7-for-10 on free-position opportunities ... Academic All-Big Ten.

MAJOR: ENGINEERING

So no, they r not all the bench sitters. I will happily find plenty more there, at Stanford, Duke, Princeton and others if you like. Some schools are a great mix of academics and great lacrosse. Others not so much. But to wave your hand indiscriminately over everyone does a disservice to some of these amazing young women that are accomplishing great things on and off the field.

(Cue the snarky "Thanks mom" comments)
[/quoteI did some research. I looked at the top 5 schools MD,UNC,Duke,FLAl. and Cuse along with Stanford, Princeton, Yale, Cornell. Duke and Princeton do not tell majors for students. out of the rest, there were 61 undeclared majors. Stan led the way with 19 followed by UMD with 17. There was 1 Nursing major(unc), 2 pre med (cuse), 1 engineering (fla). There are 22sport related majors. There are 4 schools that quite obviously steer there students to certain majors Fla. (social and behavioral science), UNC (journalism and mass communication), Cuse(sports and human dynamics), Cornell (hotel management)


The Cornell Hotel School is arguably the best on the country for that major.


I don't think they understand that some schools may just happen to attract those people because of those majors. I doubt that they are aware about the reputation and opportunities offered by UNC's school of journalism.
Why are majors being discussed on a post about 8th grade girls lacrosse?
Because they are morons
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why are majors being discussed on a post about 8th grade girls lacrosse?


Because lacrosse recruiting begins ridiculously early and we are trying to educate you people about to enter this phase.
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why are majors being discussed on a post about 8th grade girls lacrosse?


Because lacrosse recruiting begins ridiculously early and we are trying to educate you people about to enter this phase.


Sure. Educate on professor.
There is maybe 5 2020 kids that will get recruited next year . Other parents including myself will have to wait
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is maybe 5 2020 kids that will get recruited next year . Other parents including myself will have to wait


Wrong. There are already dozens of 2019s w verbal offers and hundreds more in the recruiting process.
If you say so Sherlock. Free books or 4g doesn't count as recruiting and was talking about 20s
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you say so Sherlock. Free books or 4g doesn't count as recruiting and was talking about 20s


Yes u were Watson. And u said next year, which is what the 2019s are going through, numbnuts. And u obviously have zero idea what is going on. Happens to be why the IWLCA has put forth the proposals they have recently. But you seem to know all, so go back to your little cave.
go to a college for education and if it happens to have a great girls lacrosse team, icing on the cake then. not sure how many girls turn pro after graduating from college. go to the best school that your daughter can get into, the degree is all that counts. maybe her lacrosse ability will help open a door to a great college that her grades on merit would not have been high enough to get in.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
go to a college for education and if it happens to have a great girls lacrosse team, icing on the cake then. not sure how many girls turn pro after graduating from college. go to the best school that your daughter can get into, the degree is all that counts. maybe her lacrosse ability will help open a door to a great college that her grades on merit would not have been high enough to get in.


Maybe not even the "best school" but the best fit. A school that has her major or interests. Then let her take over from there.
IN theory getting into a reach school because of lacrosse is great but don't underestimate the amount of time required for big time D1 lax. There are reports that team will require double the amount of time that school requires. If you stretch academically and play keeping your grades up might be a challenge.

Stay within the major you want at a school that fits and if the lacrosse works out all the better
Originally Posted by Anonymous
IN theory getting into a reach school because of lacrosse is great but don't underestimate the amount of time required for big time D1 lax. There are reports that team will require double the amount of time that school requires. If you stretch academically and play keeping your grades up might be a challenge.

Stay within the major you want at a school that fits and if the lacrosse works out all the better


DING DING DING ... know plenty of people who think that because Stanford etc has taken their daughter for lax, that they are set for life. Be careful with that notion. First of all, most of the girls get steered away from the majors that a place like Stanford actually matters for (read things like computer science/engineering) and into softer/easier majors. Secondly, as this poster rightly says, many of these girls would have no chance of getting into Stanford w/o lax and therefore may find the workload, combined w the huge lax commitment overwhelming. Many parents think because their kid got good or even very good grades in HS and decent test scores that they could get into Harvard/Stanford anyway. Not a chance. Those schools reject 80% of the 4.0s and perfect test scores they receive.

Find the appropriate fit, both academically and for lax.
Here are the bottom 10 D1 girls programs. You will find girls taking tougher majors here than you will in the top 10. They are playing some real weak lacrosse and could get beat by lots of D2 and D3 schools but to their credit the kids are probably playing there getting some money and taking the major they wanted. Not everyone can be a national champion.

UMass Lowell
Stetson
St. Bonaventure
Mercer
Presbyterian
St. Mary's (CA)
Saint Francis (PA)
Howard
Gardner-Webb
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here are the bottom 10 D1 girls programs. You will find girls taking tougher majors here than you will in the top 10. They are playing some real weak lacrosse and could get beat by lots of D2 and D3 schools but to their credit the kids are probably playing there getting some money and taking the major they wanted. Not everyone can be a national champion.

UMass Lowell
Stetson
St. Bonaventure
Mercer
Presbyterian
St. Mary's (CA)
Saint Francis (PA)
Howard
Gardner-Webb

And not everyone NEEDS to be a national champion. In the grand scheme of things a degree will get you a lot further in life than a lax national championship! Education should ALWAYS come first!
Giving a verbal at this young age is unfortunately becoming more common
Kids are way to young to grasp what they may want or not want when the hit college - they are yet to even walk thru a high school hallway
What you want at 13-14 May and in many cases will not be what you are looking for as a HS senior
Just another example of kids being asked to grow up way to fast
Many many hs athletes do not transition well in to college life for many reasons
This is more relevant to athletes
You need to prepare yourself for the fact that some who are used to being the big dog
May no even sniff the turf for a few years

And remember
You are NOT interviewing for a position,
you are the Interviewer.
You are the one seeking out what you want, not the other way around.
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Many many hs athletes do not transition well in to college life for many reasons
This is more relevant to athletes
You need to prepare yourself for the fact that some who are used to being the big dog
May no even sniff the turf for a few years

And remember
You are NOT interviewing for a position,
you are the Interviewer.
You are the one seeking out what you want, not the other way around.


Top 20 programs own you morning noon and night 365 days a year. You are in that school to play lacrosse period. School is clearly second with kids guided into easy majors they have no interest in. Pick a mid to low D1 or D2 program for a nice lax / school / social life balance. They are still playing a game and in 4 years it is over
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Many many hs athletes do not transition well in to college life for many reasons
This is more relevant to athletes
You need to prepare yourself for the fact that some who are used to being the big dog
May no even sniff the turf for a few years

And remember
You are NOT interviewing for a position,
you are the Interviewer.
You are the one seeking out what you want, not the other way around.


Top 20 programs own you morning noon and night 365 days a year. You are in that school to play lacrosse period. School is clearly second with kids guided into easy majors they have no interest in. Pick a mid to low D1 or D2 program for a nice lax / school / social life balance. They are still playing a game and in 4 years it is over


Pick D3 not D2 ... A good education comes first. There are lots of top academic D3 schools. D2, not so much. Now all the D2 people are going to start screaming, but sorry, that's the facts.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Many many hs athletes do not transition well in to college life for many reasons
This is more relevant to athletes
You need to prepare yourself for the fact that some who are used to being the big dog
May no even sniff the turf for a few years

And remember
You are NOT interviewing for a position,
you are the Interviewer.
You are the one seeking out what you want, not the other way around.


Top 20 programs own you morning noon and night 365 days a year. You are in that school to play lacrosse period. School is clearly second with kids guided into easy majors they have no interest in. Pick a mid to low D1 or D2 program for a nice lax / school / social life balance. They are still playing a game and in 4 years it is over


Pick D3 not D2 ... A good education comes first. There are lots of top academic D3 schools. D2, not so much. Now all the D2 people are going to start screaming, but sorry, that's the facts.


Depends on what you're looking for, and what kind of student and lax player you're talking about. You don't just arbitrarily jump from D1 to D3. There are some pretty good D2 schools, especially if you want a larger school, or if your grades and SAT scores are very good, but not great. Or, what if you want to play in the south? Most of the top D3 schools are in the northeast. There are so many things to consider, it's very specific to each student athlete.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
IN theory getting into a reach school because of lacrosse is great but don't underestimate the amount of time required for big time D1 lax. There are reports that team will require double the amount of time that school requires. If you stretch academically and play keeping your grades up might be a challenge.

Stay within the major you want at a school that fits and if the lacrosse works out all the better


DING DING DING ... know plenty of people who think that because Stanford etc has taken their daughter for lax, that they are set for life. Be careful with that notion. First of all, most of the girls get steered away from the majors that a place like Stanford actually matters for (read things like computer science/engineering) and into softer/easier majors. Secondly, as this poster rightly says, many of these girls would have no chance of getting into Stanford w/o lax and therefore may find the workload, combined w the huge lax commitment overwhelming. Many parents think because their kid got good or even very good grades in HS and decent test scores that they could get into Harvard/Stanford anyway. Not a chance. Those schools reject 80% of the 4.0s and perfect test scores they receive.

Find the appropriate fit, both academically and for lax.


Exactly. Great summary.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Many many hs athletes do not transition well in to college life for many reasons
This is more relevant to athletes
You need to prepare yourself for the fact that some who are used to being the big dog
May no even sniff the turf for a few years

And remember
You are NOT interviewing for a position,
you are the Interviewer.
You are the one seeking out what you want, not the other way around.


Top 20 programs own you morning noon and night 365 days a year. You are in that school to play lacrosse period. School is clearly second with kids guided into easy majors they have no interest in. Pick a mid to low D1 or D2 program for a nice lax / school / social life balance. They are still playing a game and in 4 years it is over


Even more reason by very Leary of signing into a D1 program when you are younger
Most 8 grade kids have zero idea what they want to be when they grow up
Unless you want to enjoy your under water basket weaving degree
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Many many hs athletes do not transition well in to college life for many reasons
This is more relevant to athletes
You need to prepare yourself for the fact that some who are used to being the big dog
May no even sniff the turf for a few years

And remember
You are NOT interviewing for a position,
you are the Interviewer.
You are the one seeking out what you want, not the other way around.


Top 20 programs own you morning noon and night 365 days a year. You are in that school to play lacrosse period. School is clearly second with kids guided into easy majors they have no interest in. Pick a mid to low D1 or D2 program for a nice lax / school / social life balance. They are still playing a game and in 4 years it is over


Even more reason by very Leary of signing into a D1 program when you are younger
Most 8 grade kids have zero idea what they want to be when they grow up
Unless you want to enjoy your under water basket weaving degree


The Final 8 teams last year, to the right is their US News Academic Ranking:

1 - Maryland - 57
2 - North Carolina - 30
3 - Syracuse - 61
4 - Duke - 8
5 - Northwestern - 12
6 - Penn State - 47
7 - Princeton - 1
8 - Loyola - 3 - Regional University (North)



The Computer Rankings have the following in the Top 25. Academic ranking to the right:

Florida - 47
Virginia - 26
Boston College - 30
Stony Brook - 89
Stanford - 4
Albany - 129
JMU - 7 - Regional University (South)
Notre Dame - 18
Cornell - 15
Penn - 9
Louisville - 168
Hopkins - 10
Southern Cal - 23
UMass - 75
Ohio State - 52
Navy - 9 - National Liberal Arts Colleges
Harvard - 2

Some great schools with some really good lacrosse. I don't think all of the girls who attend these schools major in basket weaving. But I guess you are right, why should you challenge yourself? When you are looking to start your career nobody is going to want to hire someone who graduated from a great university and competed at the highest level in a Division 1 sport. Take it easy, have some fun. Go to a school that you can get into without being a lacrosse player. Play club and tell people that you didn't want to work hard.

Six of the Top 10 Universities in the country are Top 25 Lacrosse schools. Why would anyone advise people to take the easy road?

19 of the Top 25 lacrosse schools are considered Top 50 Universities. Challenge yourself, you can do well in the classroom and on the athletic field.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Many many hs athletes do not transition well in to college life for many reasons
This is more relevant to athletes
You need to prepare yourself for the fact that some who are used to being the big dog
May no even sniff the turf for a few years

And remember
You are NOT interviewing for a position,
you are the Interviewer.
You are the one seeking out what you want, not the other way around.


Top 20 programs own you morning noon and night 365 days a year. You are in that school to play lacrosse period. School is clearly second with kids guided into easy majors they have no interest in. Pick a mid to low D1 or D2 program for a nice lax / school / social life balance. They are still playing a game and in 4 years it is over


Even more reason by very Leary of signing into a D1 program when you are younger
Most 8 grade kids have zero idea what they want to be when they grow up
Unless you want to enjoy your under water basket weaving degree


The Final 8 teams last year, to the right is their US News Academic Ranking:

1 - Maryland - 57
2 - North Carolina - 30
3 - Syracuse - 61
4 - Duke - 8
5 - Northwestern - 12
6 - Penn State - 47
7 - Princeton - 1
8 - Loyola - 3 - Regional University (North)



The Computer Rankings have the following in the Top 25. Academic ranking to the right:

Florida - 47
Virginia - 26
Boston College - 30
Stony Brook - 89
Stanford - 4
Albany - 129
JMU - 7 - Regional University (South)
Notre Dame - 18
Cornell - 15
Penn - 9
Louisville - 168
Hopkins - 10
Southern Cal - 23
UMass - 75
Ohio State - 52
Navy - 9 - National Liberal Arts Colleges
Harvard - 2

Some great schools with some really good lacrosse. I don't think all of the girls who attend these schools major in basket weaving. But I guess you are right, why should you challenge yourself? When you are looking to start your career nobody is going to want to hire someone who graduated from a great university and competed at the highest level in a Division 1 sport. Take it easy, have some fun. Go to a school that you can get into without being a lacrosse player. Play club and tell people that you didn't want to work hard.

Six of the Top 10 Universities in the country are Top 25 Lacrosse schools. Why would anyone advise people to take the easy road?

19 of the Top 25 lacrosse schools are considered Top 50 Universities. Challenge yourself, you can do well in the classroom and on the athletic field.


Great schools with great lacrosse where you will get a degree that you can proudly display. But if you want to be a doctor, nurse, engineer or architect you are going to have a problem playing at these schools where its lacrosse first and academics second. This really only affects a handful of kids so its not a big deal unless your kid is one of them. When a 13 or 14 year old verbal's they have no idea what they want to do so its easy to guide them to an approved major. Good luck to all on being one of the first 2020's to verbal!
The first 2020 verbal is now on YJ Blue.
Who is the verbal on YJ 2020? I heard there is another 2020 committed as well.
To High School ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Many many hs athletes do not transition well in to college life for many reasons
This is more relevant to athletes
You need to prepare yourself for the fact that some who are used to being the big dog
May no even sniff the turf for a few years

And remember
You are NOT interviewing for a position,
you are the Interviewer.
You are the one seeking out what you want, not the other way around.


Top 20 programs own you morning noon and night 365 days a year. You are in that school to play lacrosse period. School is clearly second with kids guided into easy majors they have no interest in. Pick a mid to low D1 or D2 program for a nice lax / school / social life balance. They are still playing a game and in 4 years it is over


Even more reason by very Leary of signing into a D1 program when you are younger
Most 8 grade kids have zero idea what they want to be when they grow up
Unless you want to enjoy your under water basket weaving degree


The Final 8 teams last year, to the right is their US News Academic Ranking:

1 - Maryland - 57
2 - North Carolina - 30
3 - Syracuse - 61
4 - Duke - 8
5 - Northwestern - 12
6 - Penn State - 47
7 - Princeton - 1
8 - Loyola - 3 - Regional University (North)



The Computer Rankings have the following in the Top 25. Academic ranking to the right:

Florida - 47
Virginia - 26
Boston College - 30
Stony Brook - 89
Stanford - 4
Albany - 129
JMU - 7 - Regional University (South)
Notre Dame - 18
Cornell - 15
Penn - 9
Louisville - 168
Hopkins - 10
Southern Cal - 23
UMass - 75
Ohio State - 52
Navy - 9 - National Liberal Arts Colleges
Harvard - 2

Some great schools with some really good lacrosse. I don't think all of the girls who attend these schools major in basket weaving. But I guess you are right, why should you challenge yourself? When you are looking to start your career nobody is going to want to hire someone who graduated from a great university and competed at the highest level in a Division 1 sport. Take it easy, have some fun. Go to a school that you can get into without being a lacrosse player. Play club and tell people that you didn't want to work hard.

Six of the Top 10 Universities in the country are Top 25 Lacrosse schools. Why would anyone advise people to take the easy road?

19 of the Top 25 lacrosse schools are considered Top 50 Universities. Challenge yourself, you can do well in the classroom and on the athletic field.


Great schools with great lacrosse where you will get a degree that you can proudly display. But if you want to be a doctor, nurse, engineer or architect you are going to have a problem playing at these schools where its lacrosse first and academics second. This really only affects a handful of kids so its not a big deal unless your kid is one of them. When a 13 or 14 year old verbal's they have no idea what they want to do so its easy to guide them to an approved major. Good luck to all on being one of the first 2020's to verbal!



Throw in the following school who are all competing to be the best that they can be. All of these schools could be in ranked in the Top 25 at any time.

Academic Rank to the right:

Colgate - 19 - National Liberal Arts Colleges
Georgetown - 21
Vanderbilt - 15
Lehigh - 47
Yale - 3
Dartmouth - 12
Michigan - 29
Brown - 14
Boston Uni - 41

27 of the 34 schools listed are considered to be Top 50 Universities. Please stop with the basket weaving BS. The fact is, at many of these schools you can major in whatever you want. And after you graduate you can go get an advanced degree in your chosen field.

Reality is that some kids can go play lacrosse at a Top 10 or 20 lacrosse school major in whatever they want and then go on to grad school or medical school or law school. Also, not everyone wants to go on to medical school or become an engineer. Why do some of you want to put down the kids who have a strong desire to compete? Is it because your kid is not being recruited by the top programs?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Many many hs athletes do not transition well in to college life for many reasons
This is more relevant to athletes
You need to prepare yourself for the fact that some who are used to being the big dog
May no even sniff the turf for a few years

And remember
You are NOT interviewing for a position,
you are the Interviewer.
You are the one seeking out what you want, not the other way around.


Top 20 programs own you morning noon and night 365 days a year. You are in that school to play lacrosse period. School is clearly second with kids guided into easy majors they have no interest in. Pick a mid to low D1 or D2 program for a nice lax / school / social life balance. They are still playing a game and in 4 years it is over


Even more reason by very Leary of signing into a D1 program when you are younger
Most 8 grade kids have zero idea what they want to be when they grow up
Unless you want to enjoy your under water basket weaving degree


The Final 8 teams last year, to the right is their US News Academic Ranking:

1 - Maryland - 57
2 - North Carolina - 30
3 - Syracuse - 61
4 - Duke - 8
5 - Northwestern - 12
6 - Penn State - 47
7 - Princeton - 1
8 - Loyola - 3 - Regional University (North)



The Computer Rankings have the following in the Top 25. Academic ranking to the right:

Florida - 47
Virginia - 26
Boston College - 30
Stony Brook - 89
Stanford - 4
Albany - 129
JMU - 7 - Regional University (South)
Notre Dame - 18
Cornell - 15
Penn - 9
Louisville - 168
Hopkins - 10
Southern Cal - 23
UMass - 75
Ohio State - 52
Navy - 9 - National Liberal Arts Colleges
Harvard - 2

Some great schools with some really good lacrosse. I don't think all of the girls who attend these schools major in basket weaving. But I guess you are right, why should you challenge yourself? When you are looking to start your career nobody is going to want to hire someone who graduated from a great university and competed at the highest level in a Division 1 sport. Take it easy, have some fun. Go to a school that you can get into without being a lacrosse player. Play club and tell people that you didn't want to work hard.

Six of the Top 10 Universities in the country are Top 25 Lacrosse schools. Why would anyone advise people to take the easy road?

19 of the Top 25 lacrosse schools are considered Top 50 Universities. Challenge yourself, you can do well in the classroom and on the athletic field.


Great schools with great lacrosse where you will get a degree that you can proudly display. But if you want to be a doctor, nurse, engineer or architect you are going to have a problem playing at these schools where its lacrosse first and academics second. This really only affects a handful of kids so its not a big deal unless your kid is one of them. When a 13 or 14 year old verbal's they have no idea what they want to do so its easy to guide them to an approved major. Good luck to all on being one of the first 2020's to verbal!


Does lacrosse come first at:

Princeton
Harvard
Yale
Stanford
Duke
Penn
Hopkins
Brown
Dartmouth
Northwestern
Cornell
Vanderbilt
Notre Dame
Georgetown
Navy

Some girls may put lacrosse first and I would imagine at NU there is a lot of pressure but I am sure that many of the student athletes from these schools go on to have success in life.

Hate to break it to you, not every kid who goes to a mid tier D1 or D2 or D3 school loves their college experience or goes on to become a huge success.
Who committed from YJ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is the verbal on YJ 2020? I heard there is another 2020 committed as well.


If true, the parents should be committed.
Just because your daughter goes to a top 10 lacrosse school does not automatically equal success later in life. If se goes to any school to play a a sport and not concentrate on a major, she might get a job because of the name on the top of the degree, but if she only knows how to play lacrosse I guarantee you she will not have that job for long. If you looked at other threads you would have seen that the discussion of majors recently came up on another girls thread. I looked at the majors of some of the top schools and it basically came down to over a third of these schools were either uncommitted, in majors that are "lacrosse friendly", or are the equivalent of basket weaving or gym teacher majors. Maryland being the worst with over half there roster either uncommitted, or in a major called "Letters and Science", which is a major for uncommitted majors. Florida was second worst. I just looked at NU and they are one of the best along with "cuse. Princeton does not list majors, but Cornell did with one third going for hotel management. My daughter is going to a lower D1 school right now for one of the forbidden majors (nursing, medical, engineering, architecture) and is being coached by a woman that went to a major D1 college and has to continue her education at this school because the coaches did not want her to pursue one of those majors.

Moral of the story, don't assume your kid will get a good job because of the school she attended, and don't look down your nose at the lower ranked schools because your daughter might be going to finish her education there..... at an added pirce
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Gg1j18
Many many hs athletes do not transition well in to college life for many reasons
This is more relevant to athletes
You need to prepare yourself for the fact that some who are used to being the big dog
May no even sniff the turf for a few years

And remember
You are NOT interviewing for a position,
you are the Interviewer.
You are the one seeking out what you want, not the other way around.


Top 20 programs own you morning noon and night 365 days a year. You are in that school to play lacrosse period. School is clearly second with kids guided into easy majors they have no interest in. Pick a mid to low D1 or D2 program for a nice lax / school / social life balance. They are still playing a game and in 4 years it is over


Even more reason by very Leary of signing into a D1 program when you are younger
Most 8 grade kids have zero idea what they want to be when they grow up
Unless you want to enjoy your under water basket weaving degree


The Final 8 teams last year, to the right is their US News Academic Ranking:

1 - Maryland - 57
2 - North Carolina - 30
3 - Syracuse - 61
4 - Duke - 8
5 - Northwestern - 12
6 - Penn State - 47
7 - Princeton - 1
8 - Loyola - 3 - Regional University (North)



The Computer Rankings have the following in the Top 25. Academic ranking to the right:

Florida - 47
Virginia - 26
Boston College - 30
Stony Brook - 89
Stanford - 4
Albany - 129
JMU - 7 - Regional University (South)
Notre Dame - 18
Cornell - 15
Penn - 9
Louisville - 168
Hopkins - 10
Southern Cal - 23
UMass - 75
Ohio State - 52
Navy - 9 - National Liberal Arts Colleges
Harvard - 2

Some great schools with some really good lacrosse. I don't think all of the girls who attend these schools major in basket weaving. But I guess you are right, why should you challenge yourself? When you are looking to start your career nobody is going to want to hire someone who graduated from a great university and competed at the highest level in a Division 1 sport. Take it easy, have some fun. Go to a school that you can get into without being a lacrosse player. Play club and tell people that you didn't want to work hard.

Six of the Top 10 Universities in the country are Top 25 Lacrosse schools. Why would anyone advise people to take the easy road?

19 of the Top 25 lacrosse schools are considered Top 50 Universities. Challenge yourself, you can do well in the classroom and on the athletic field.


Great schools with great lacrosse where you will get a degree that you can proudly display. But if you want to be a doctor, nurse, engineer or architect you are going to have a problem playing at these schools where its lacrosse first and academics second. This really only affects a handful of kids so its not a big deal unless your kid is one of them. When a 13 or 14 year old verbal's they have no idea what they want to do so its easy to guide them to an approved major. Good luck to all on being one of the first 2020's to verbal!


Does lacrosse come first at:

Princeton
Harvard
Yale
Stanford
Duke
Penn
Hopkins
Brown
Dartmouth
Northwestern
Cornell
Vanderbilt
Notre Dame
Georgetown
Navy

Some girls may put lacrosse first and I would imagine at NU there is a lot of pressure but I am sure that many of the student athletes from these schools go on to have success in life.

Hate to break it to you, not every kid who goes to a mid tier D1 or D2 or D3 school loves their college experience or goes on to become a huge success.


Very true. Good post. And I wouldn't single out Northwestern. There is pressure to do well on the field at all those places. NU just has more success than some of those other schools. A quick look at NU's roster reveals several engineering majors (among starters) and several pre-med type majors in addition to many other majors that are certainly not basket weaving.

As someone who hires from a lot of these schools in my business, I am always impressed by the athletes that are able to compete at the highest level in college and work through the time management and academic grind at these places. It does take a special person, and it shows in their lives after sports.



Stanford has over half of the roster Uncommitted
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stanford has over half of the roster Uncommitted

Stanford doesn't declare majors until jr year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just because your daughter goes to a top 10 lacrosse school does not automatically equal success later in life. If se goes to any school to play a a sport and not concentrate on a major, she might get a job because of the name on the top of the degree, but if she only knows how to play lacrosse I guarantee you she will not have that job for long. If you looked at other threads you would have seen that the discussion of majors recently came up on another girls thread. I looked at the majors of some of the top schools and it basically came down to over a third of these schools were either uncommitted, in majors that are "lacrosse friendly", or are the equivalent of basket weaving or gym teacher majors. Maryland being the worst with over half there roster either uncommitted, or in a major called "Letters and Science", which is a major for uncommitted majors. Florida was second worst. I just looked at NU and they are one of the best along with "cuse. Princeton does not list majors, but Cornell did with one third going for hotel management. My daughter is going to a lower D1 school right now for one of the forbidden majors (nursing, medical, engineering, architecture) and is being coached by a woman that went to a major D1 college and has to continue her education at this school because the coaches did not want her to pursue one of those majors.

Moral of the story, don't assume your kid will get a good job because of the school she attended, and don't look down your nose at the lower ranked schools because your daughter might be going to finish her education there..... at an added pirce



I think that it is you who is looking down your nose. My point was very simple, Challenge yourself. It is possible to do well in the classroom and on the field.
If your child was offered a spot at one of the best universities in the country and she/you opted to go to a less competitive school that was her/your choice.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is the verbal on YJ 2020? I heard there is another 2020 committed as well.


If true, the parents should be committed.


I know a girl who played for YJ's. She was "pushed" into taking an offer from a Top 10 program "because she would have the shot at playing for a National Championship." She also had offers from other schools with much higher academic ratings (top 5). She went for the national championship, has now transferred and is heading to another school that does not even in the top 100 academically. Be careful what you pick when you are too young to know.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just because your daughter goes to a top 10 lacrosse school does not automatically equal success later in life. If se goes to any school to play a a sport and not concentrate on a major, she might get a job because of the name on the top of the degree, but if she only knows how to play lacrosse I guarantee you she will not have that job for long. If you looked at other threads you would have seen that the discussion of majors recently came up on another girls thread. I looked at the majors of some of the top schools and it basically came down to over a third of these schools were either uncommitted, in majors that are "lacrosse friendly", or are the equivalent of basket weaving or gym teacher majors. Maryland being the worst with over half there roster either uncommitted, or in a major called "Letters and Science", which is a major for uncommitted majors. Florida was second worst. I just looked at NU and they are one of the best along with "cuse. Princeton does not list majors, but Cornell did with one third going for hotel management. My daughter is going to a lower D1 school right now for one of the forbidden majors (nursing, medical, engineering, architecture) and is being coached by a woman that went to a major D1 college and has to continue her education at this school because the coaches did not want her to pursue one of those majors.

Moral of the story, don't assume your kid will get a good job because of the school she attended, and don't look down your nose at the lower ranked schools because your daughter might be going to finish her education there..... at an added pirce



I think that it is you who is looking down your nose. My point was very simple, Challenge yourself. It is possible to do well in the classroom and on the field.
If your child was offered a spot at one of the best universities in the country and she/you opted to go to a less competitive school that was her/your choice.
You are very confused I think. First of all my daughter chose a balance between her future career and lacrosse knowing full well that the lacrosse only has 4 years left. After speaking with many grads, many of witch had to enroll in another school to receive the degree they need to further there career, she decided to fallow the career path knowing that she will never play for a national championship. If a girl and her family have the money to pay for college after her lacrosse career ends, than more power to them. We were very fortunate to receive a very lucrative offer from a lower D1 that would allow her to major in her choice, start as a freshman, and finish her degree in 4 to 5 years, witch is the least amount of time she needs for her career. Knowing that there are no full rides, and even at a State school with lower tuition, she decided to take the offer to reach her academic goals as quickly as possible. With all that being said, her schedule is extremely demanding. the amount of money given does mean a lot of work, 2 a day practice (including lifts), time trials, travel, team obligations, school work, off campus requirements for her major, and the subsequent make up practices all keep her very busy. But at least she will be done in a decent amount of time, and she still playing the game she loves. Besides, in five years no one will even remember her lacrosse career like 99.9% of all our daughters. she'll just be in less debt.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just because your daughter goes to a top 10 lacrosse school does not automatically equal success later in life. If se goes to any school to play a a sport and not concentrate on a major, she might get a job because of the name on the top of the degree, but if she only knows how to play lacrosse I guarantee you she will not have that job for long. If you looked at other threads you would have seen that the discussion of majors recently came up on another girls thread. I looked at the majors of some of the top schools and it basically came down to over a third of these schools were either uncommitted, in majors that are "lacrosse friendly", or are the equivalent of basket weaving or gym teacher majors. Maryland being the worst with over half there roster either uncommitted, or in a major called "Letters and Science", which is a major for uncommitted majors. Florida was second worst. I just looked at NU and they are one of the best along with "cuse. Princeton does not list majors, but Cornell did with one third going for hotel management. My daughter is going to a lower D1 school right now for one of the forbidden majors (nursing, medical, engineering, architecture) and is being coached by a woman that went to a major D1 college and has to continue her education at this school because the coaches did not want her to pursue one of those majors.

Moral of the story, don't assume your kid will get a good job because of the school she attended, and don't look down your nose at the lower ranked schools because your daughter might be going to finish her education there..... at an added pirce



I think that it is you who is looking down your nose. My point was very simple, Challenge yourself. It is possible to do well in the classroom and on the field.
If your child was offered a spot at one of the best universities in the country and she/you opted to go to a less competitive school that was her/your choice.
You are very confused I think. First of all my daughter chose a balance between her future career and lacrosse knowing full well that the lacrosse only has 4 years left. After speaking with many grads, many of witch had to enroll in another school to receive the degree they need to further there career, she decided to fallow the career path knowing that she will never play for a national championship. If a girl and her family have the money to pay for college after her lacrosse career ends, than more power to them. We were very fortunate to receive a very lucrative offer from a lower D1 that would allow her to major in her choice, start as a freshman, and finish her degree in 4 to 5 years, witch is the least amount of time she needs for her career. Knowing that there are no full rides, and even at a State school with lower tuition, she decided to take the offer to reach her academic goals as quickly as possible. With all that being said, her schedule is extremely demanding. the amount of money given does mean a lot of work, 2 a day practice (including lifts), time trials, travel, team obligations, school work, off campus requirements for her major, and the subsequent make up practices all keep her very busy. But at least she will be done in a decent amount of time, and she still playing the game she loves. Besides, in five years no one will even remember her lacrosse career like 99.9% of all our daughters. she'll just be in less debt.


I hope she wasn't an English major.
Did a 2020 YJ verbally commit? If so who?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did a 2020 YJ verbally commit? If so who?


Probably the TG kid who moved over, easily the best in the age group and better than the YJ 2019 commits, so it shouldn't surprise anyone
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just because your daughter goes to a top 10 lacrosse school does not automatically equal success later in life. If se goes to any school to play a a sport and not concentrate on a major, she might get a job because of the name on the top of the degree, but if she only knows how to play lacrosse I guarantee you she will not have that job for long. If you looked at other threads you would have seen that the discussion of majors recently came up on another girls thread. I looked at the majors of some of the top schools and it basically came down to over a third of these schools were either uncommitted, in majors that are "lacrosse friendly", or are the equivalent of basket weaving or gym teacher majors. Maryland being the worst with over half there roster either uncommitted, or in a major called "Letters and Science", which is a major for uncommitted majors. Florida was second worst. I just looked at NU and they are one of the best along with "cuse. Princeton does not list majors, but Cornell did with one third going for hotel management. My daughter is going to a lower D1 school right now for one of the forbidden majors (nursing, medical, engineering, architecture) and is being coached by a woman that went to a major D1 college and has to continue her education at this school because the coaches did not want her to pursue one of those majors.

Moral of the story, don't assume your kid will get a good job because of the school she attended, and don't look down your nose at the lower ranked schools because your daughter might be going to finish her education there..... at an added pirce



I think that it is you who is looking down your nose. My point was very simple, Challenge yourself. It is possible to do well in the classroom and on the field.
If your child was offered a spot at one of the best universities in the country and she/you opted to go to a less competitive school that was her/your choice.
You are very confused I think. First of all my daughter chose a balance between her future career and lacrosse knowing full well that the lacrosse only has 4 years left. After speaking with many grads, many of witch had to enroll in another school to receive the degree they need to further there career, she decided to fallow the career path knowing that she will never play for a national championship. If a girl and her family have the money to pay for college after her lacrosse career ends, than more power to them. We were very fortunate to receive a very lucrative offer from a lower D1 that would allow her to major in her choice, start as a freshman, and finish her degree in 4 to 5 years, witch is the least amount of time she needs for her career. Knowing that there are no full rides, and even at a State school with lower tuition, she decided to take the offer to reach her academic goals as quickly as possible. With all that being said, her schedule is extremely demanding. the amount of money given does mean a lot of work, 2 a day practice (including lifts), time trials, travel, team obligations, school work, off campus requirements for her major, and the subsequent make up practices all keep her very busy. But at least she will be done in a decent amount of time, and she still playing the game she loves. Besides, in five years no one will even remember her lacrosse career like 99.9% of all our daughters. she'll just be in less debt.


I hope she wasn't an English major.
What makes people like you tic. Are you so unhappy in your life that you need to sit at home and send snarky ,nasty posts on a youth lacrosse site. Here is something you should think about, no matter what school your daughter attends, if she takes after you she will be nothing but a petty, small minded bully. Never think the name on the top of the degree gives you class, or insures success.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just because your daughter goes to a top 10 lacrosse school does not automatically equal success later in life. If se goes to any school to play a a sport and not concentrate on a major, she might get a job because of the name on the top of the degree, but if she only knows how to play lacrosse I guarantee you she will not have that job for long. If you looked at other threads you would have seen that the discussion of majors recently came up on another girls thread. I looked at the majors of some of the top schools and it basically came down to over a third of these schools were either uncommitted, in majors that are "lacrosse friendly", or are the equivalent of basket weaving or gym teacher majors. Maryland being the worst with over half there roster either uncommitted, or in a major called "Letters and Science", which is a major for uncommitted majors. Florida was second worst. I just looked at NU and they are one of the best along with "cuse. Princeton does not list majors, but Cornell did with one third going for hotel management. My daughter is going to a lower D1 school right now for one of the forbidden majors (nursing, medical, engineering, architecture) and is being coached by a woman that went to a major D1 college and has to continue her education at this school because the coaches did not want her to pursue one of those majors.

Moral of the story, don't assume your kid will get a good job because of the school she attended, and don't look down your nose at the lower ranked schools because your daughter might be going to finish her education there..... at an added pirce



I think that it is you who is looking down your nose. My point was very simple, Challenge yourself. It is possible to do well in the classroom and on the field.
If your child was offered a spot at one of the best universities in the country and she/you opted to go to a less competitive school that was her/your choice.
You are very confused I think. First of all my daughter chose a balance between her future career and lacrosse knowing full well that the lacrosse only has 4 years left. After speaking with many grads, many of witch had to enroll in another school to receive the degree they need to further there career, she decided to fallow the career path knowing that she will never play for a national championship. If a girl and her family have the money to pay for college after her lacrosse career ends, than more power to them. We were very fortunate to receive a very lucrative offer from a lower D1 that would allow her to major in her choice, start as a freshman, and finish her degree in 4 to 5 years, witch is the least amount of time she needs for her career. Knowing that there are no full rides, and even at a State school with lower tuition, she decided to take the offer to reach her academic goals as quickly as possible. With all that being said, her schedule is extremely demanding. the amount of money given does mean a lot of work, 2 a day practice (including lifts), time trials, travel, team obligations, school work, off campus requirements for her major, and the subsequent make up practices all keep her very busy. But at least she will be done in a decent amount of time, and she still playing the game she loves. Besides, in five years no one will even remember her lacrosse career like 99.9% of all our daughters. she'll just be in less debt.


I hope she wasn't an English major.
What makes people like you tic. Are you so unhappy in your life that you need to sit at home and send snarky ,nasty posts on a youth lacrosse site. Here is something you should think about, no matter what school your daughter attends, if she takes after you she will be nothing but a petty, small minded bully. Never think the name on the top of the degree gives you class, or insures success.
wow nice edit so much for freedom of thought or speech
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did a 2020 YJ verbally commit? If so who?

Yes true was on 2020 YJ Curcio last year, verbal commit to Syracuse. Child is no longer with YJ.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did a 2020 YJ verbally commit? If so who?

Yes true was on 2020 YJ Curcio last year, verbal commit to Syracuse. Child is no longer with YJ.


"Child" is the key word. Most eighth graders don't know what electives they want to take in HS, much less what kind of college would be a good fit. Insane! (If true.)
Please don't judge others when you do not know all of the facts. This girl could have played at a number of top tier lacrosse schools. She chose Syracuse because they have one of the best programs in the area of study she is interested in. She is a smart girl who made a very smart decision. Congratulations to her and her family.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please don't judge others when you do not know all of the facts. This girl could have played at a number of top tier lacrosse schools. She chose Syracuse because they have one of the best programs in the area of study she is interested in. She is a smart girl who made a very smart decision. Congratulations to her and her family.


That's the thing , "field of study" , she is 13 years old. "Could have played at a number of top tier lacrosse schools" ,says who? Good for her she is a good player at the 7th grade level and I believe going to her dream school and hopefully will find a degree in the field she wants when she is 20 but its those above kind of statements that make people wince a little.
College area of study she is intrested in 8th grade
While I'm not saying she does not know what type of career she wants to pursue it is very rare at 13
Your post would of held much more water had we been discussing a jr clotting prior to her sr hs season
But yes best of luck to her in her college future
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did a 2020 YJ verbally commit? If so who?

Yes true was on 2020 YJ Curcio last year, verbal commit to Syracuse. Child is no longer with YJ.


What club does she play for? I thought Blue players never leave YJ?
Sorry but find this one hard to believe. If it's true, it would be national news and you'd see the various articles including Sports Illustrated, just like the soccer and softball 8th graders who were super early in their respective sports. There's a knucklehead running around also saying his daughter is committed to Princeton as a current 8th grader. Uh huh. If it's true and it's field of study based, gotta hand it to the kid that she knows exactly what she wants to study and left lacrosse rankings out of it. smile. Remarkable with now 4 and 1/2 years of education left to go before college she's got it all figured out. Just let me know where I can find the Sports Illustrated article, which is bound to come out especially in light of all the recruiting proposals.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did a 2020 YJ verbally commit? If so who?

Yes true was on 2020 YJ Curcio last year, verbal commit to Syracuse. Child is no longer with YJ.


What club does she play for? I thought Blue players never leave YJ?


Does not live in the Northeast Region
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sorry but find this one hard to believe. If it's true, it would be national news and you'd see the various articles including Sports Illustrated, just like the soccer and softball 8th graders who were super early in their respective sports. There's a knucklehead running around also saying his daughter is committed to Princeton as a current 8th grader. Uh huh. If it's true and it's field of study based, gotta hand it to the kid that she knows exactly what she wants to study and left lacrosse rankings out of it. smile. Remarkable with now 4 and 1/2 years of education left to go before college she's got it all figured out. Just let me know where I can find the Sports Illustrated article, which is bound to come out especially in light of all the recruiting proposals.

Your argument does not hold water, there is as multitude of boys that have made a verbal in the past and present. Remember optimal word is "verbal". So, having said that it is a fact that this young lady made a verbal commitment to Syracuse. I wish her nothing but the best! Plus remember the NCAA is probably going to change rules very soon to September of Junior year very shortly. That means NO contact from coaches to players or families and vice versa. So you will see a rush trying to get it done before this happens....... Any thoughts???
Wasn't an argument. If a girl made a commitment to Syracuse as a 2020, it would be national news, Sports Illustrated stuff. An 8th grader committed to a top lax program...good stuff, newsworthy. Do you really think if a 2020 announced a commitment that it wouldn't be national news, especially with all the visibility with recent proposals?....just as the trailblazing girls did who made national news with their verbal commitments in soccer and softball did as 8th graders. This is a girls forum is it not? And everyone thinks there is some big rush with the new proposal, but there really isn't. It's escalated from years past, and it surrounds the current best of best from 2019's. There is no rush to get 2019's or 2020's to verbally commit. Most 2019's (really their parents) are sitting around wondering when princess is going to be contacted by coaches. That proposal isn't being enacted tomorrow, so for the majority of coaches it's business as usual until it does. Remember most want it, so why would anyone rush, when what they all ask for is time to evaluate? Back to the matter at hand, so where was this wonderkind's verbal announced at? Oh, let me guess, it's super secret and you just happen to be in the know. If you are so in the know, then I'm sure you wouldn't mind sharing? SI is waiting to do the article on the next young prodigy. Any thoughts?? Yeah, give us all a break and read, don't post.
Kid is from cuse area and dad,is bff's with GG. She is a very good player also
Not everyone is loud. Some are more humble and prefer to just let their daughter play lacrosse, and support her in reaching her personal goals in the manner they feel most appropriate . No need to broadcast her accomishments to validate her success.
Daughter is not from Cuse area - she has family there, but has never lived there. Dad is not bff with GG. He only just met him recently. Her success is based on hard work.
Congradulations to her! Why did she leave YJ blue? I thought nobody leaves the blue team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Daughter is not from Cuse area - she has family there, but has never lived there. Dad is not bff with GG. He only just met him recently. Her success is based on hard work.


I'm sure all of that is true. Still think it is crazy to make that decision so young. If she is that good, which I don't doubt, she would have as much time as she wanted to make a decision. Schools would wait for her. So she could be at least two/three years older, and make a slightly more informed and mature decision. 12/13 year olds do not have a fully formed frontal cortex. Adolecents, through no fault of their own, are impulsive and "live for the moment". Let them grow up a little before making these big decisions that will effect the rest of their lives.
Uhhuh. Obviously either not humble enough that you found about about it and posted it, or you are related to precious and posting the "accomplishment". In either event, bff to GG, not bff, "very good player", "her success", it all smells like nonsense. Every kid posts about an acceptance on Instagram/Twitter, or their friends do, but you're going to come on and tell us all she's so special that she and the parents are the one in a million that will keep it to themselves? Not even worth responding to any more....just sound like another delusional parent/interested party on how this princess is the one, so so special, successful, personal goal driven 8th grader. Congratulations, I'll wait for the book chronicling how special you are all. No axe to grind either, my daughter is actively being recruited, but I don't come on an anonymous message board touting how special she or any other 8th/9th grader is. Sorry, give us all a break.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congradulations to her! Why did she leave YJ blue? I thought nobody leaves the blue team.


If she did leave, she'd be the second one to walk away this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Uhhuh. Obviously either not humble enough that you found about about it and posted it, or you are related to precious and posting the "accomplishment". In either event, bff to GG, not bff, "very good player", "her success", it all smells like nonsense. Every kid posts about an acceptance on Instagram/Twitter, or their friends do, but you're going to come on and tell us all she's so special that she and the parents are the one in a million that will keep it to themselves? Not even worth responding to any more....just sound like another delusional parent/interested party on how this princess is the one, so so special, successful, personal goal driven 8th grader. Congratulations, I'll wait for the book chronicling how special you are all. No axe to grind either, my daughter is actively being recruited, but I don't come on an anonymous message board touting how special she or any other 8th/9th grader is. Sorry, give us all a break.


But you had to mention anonymously that your little princess is being actively recruited on a 2020 board. Look in the mirror [lacrosse], practice what you preach.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congradulations to her! Why did she leave YJ blue? I thought nobody leaves the blue team.


If she did leave, she'd be the second one to walk away this year.


Someone left blue this year? I know a bunch left gold, that team team will be much weaker this year.
Ouch, did I hit a nerve? Or did I really not give you any wiggle room to respond back with a reason or another stupid comment. And who said she was a 2020, I sure didn't. When one resorts to name calling on an anonymous board, tells you all you need to know. I only mentioned it, after numerous posts by the way, to combat all the specialness. But keep up the name calling, I'm sure the call for your little princess will eventually come.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congradulations to her! Why did she leave YJ blue? I thought nobody leaves the blue team.


If she did leave, she'd be the second one to walk away this year.


If you consider that one family moved out of the country and the other young lady had been commuting from Florida I really don't know if this is that much of a story.
Why is it so hard to believe that a 2020 committed, I am guessing she did and congrats to her and her family. There are still some humble families in the sport that don't have to be the toast of the town. I'm sure there are plenty of 2019s locked in and haven't tweeted or instagram'd it out.

Can't we all just applaud success and support each other?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is it so hard to believe that a 2020 committed, I am guessing she did and congrats to her and her family. There are still some humble families in the sport that don't have to be the toast of the town. I'm sure there are plenty of 2019s locked in and haven't tweeted or instagram'd it out.

Can't we all just applaud success and support each other?


Lacrosse would be a great game without parents
There is nothing successful about a 2020 committing. I'm guessing you are the same poster who constantly is trying to defend the posting. No one can defend that an 8th grader has it all figured out, knows the life plan, and has a successful road map in place. I'm sure though you're in the same camp that will start cheering when 6th and 7th graders commit, because they are successful and special, and somehow you know them or are related to you. This air of success is exactly why steps are being taken to curtail it. Can't come soon enough.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is nothing successful about a 2020 committing. I'm guessing you are the same poster who constantly is trying to defend the posting. No one can defend that an 8th grader has it all figured out, knows the life plan, and has a successful road map in place. I'm sure though you're in the same camp that will start cheering when 6th and 7th graders commit, because they are successful and special, and somehow you know them or are related to you. This air of success is exactly why steps are being taken to curtail it. Can't come soon enough.


Look most 8th graders are still little girls so this will be the exception not the norm. If this is all true this girl must be a gifted athlete and congratulations to her and her family. If this school or another top program came knocking on my door and I imagine if they are trying to lock you up this early they are throwing a boatload of money I would be all over it! I would also quickly help my kid figure it out. We know plenty of HS and college kids that still don't know what they want. This girl can now focus on her studies and continue to play without all the stress and nonsense for the next 4 years. I say well done !
Agree completely. I'm sure she received a very very generous scholarship. It was the school she wanted that had her area of study and hundreds more if she changed her mind. She could even change her mind (which is very unlikely) since it is just a verbal commitment. I see little downside risk for this child and family. You will see other 2020's commit in the near future for the same reasons this player did. Congrats!!!
I truly feel bad for whomever is posting this nonesense. Very delusional. Your reality check will come soon enough. Oh I forgot, she's special.... All the 2020s are so unique and special. Whew now she can focus, because clearly in 7th grade she wasn't as focused as she could of been. Spare us all. Boatload of money huh...thanks for the laugh. Yes schools must rush to the 2020s now and throw a ton of money at 8th graders to get them locked up. I'm done responding, you'll be the same guy or gal I'll see screaming on the sidelines on how special princess is. Wish this forum wasn't anonymous, any coach reading your nonesense would steer clear, that's for sure.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I truly feel bad for whomever is posting this nonesense. Very delusional. Your reality check will come soon enough. Oh I forgot, she's special.... All the 2020s are so unique and special. Whew now she can focus, because clearly in 7th grade she wasn't as focused as she could of been. Spare us all. Boatload of money huh...thanks for the laugh. Yes schools must rush to the 2020s now and throw a ton of money at 8th graders to get them locked up. I'm done responding, you'll be the same guy or gal I'll see screaming on the sidelines on how special princess is. Wish this forum wasn't anonymous, any coach reading your nonesense would steer clear, that's for sure.


I think they'd actually steer clear of a guy/gal that couldn't just be happy for a kid that is obviously so talented at something that they are recognized for it. How about just a congratulations for the hard work and effort it must have taken for her to get to this point?

Or, maybe just don't say anything at all. That way you don't come off as a mean-spirited, cranky human being.

Congratulations to this girl, amazing accomplishment!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I truly feel bad for whomever is posting this nonesense. Very delusional. Your reality check will come soon enough. Oh I forgot, she's special.... All the 2020s are so unique and special. Whew now she can focus, because clearly in 7th grade she wasn't as focused as she could of been. Spare us all. Boatload of money huh...thanks for the laugh. Yes schools must rush to the 2020s now and throw a ton of money at 8th graders to get them locked up. I'm done responding, you'll be the same guy or gal I'll see screaming on the sidelines on how special princess is. Wish this forum wasn't anonymous, any coach reading your nonesense would steer clear, that's for sure.


Since you wish this was wasn't anonymous why don't you sign your name? I don't think we have to worry about schools running out to commit 8th graders but if this is all true what's the big deal?
Somebody said the 2020 commit was a former YJ, but,. That is bad info CR claiming a former player!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I truly feel bad for whomever is posting this nonesense. Very delusional. Your reality check will come soon enough. Oh I forgot, she's special.... All the 2020s are so unique and special. Whew now she can focus, because clearly in 7th grade she wasn't as focused as she could of been. Spare us all. Boatload of money huh...thanks for the laugh. Yes schools must rush to the 2020s now and throw a ton of money at 8th graders to get them locked up. I'm done responding, you'll be the same guy or gal I'll see screaming on the sidelines on how special princess is. Wish this forum wasn't anonymous, any coach reading your nonesense would steer clear, that's for sure.


Why are you so bitter?
It's interesting that when presented with FACT, you mommies and daddies call me a mean spirited cranky douchbag. Haha. Plain and simple, these posts started with calling into question that a young 8th grader had committed, to one of the best programs in the country. The claim was she was special, unique, and we should all rejoice in her and her family's awesomeness. When asked for proof, surprise surprise there was none. Seems the girl and her family is a one in a million. They are special, she is special, they are humble and want to be quiet about it. You goofballs want to celebrate an accomplishment? What accomplishment? There is no announcement but you all want to rejoice because somehow you think your princess isn't far behind.

With the amount of visibility on the recruiting proposals, and the FACT that young 8th graders who committed in soccer and softball received national attention, you're going to tell me that this situation is so special it doesn't warrant that kind of attention?? That Sports Illustrted would profile other early recruits but leave this story alone, especially in light of the massive amount of support the recruiting proposals are receiving?? Oh I forgot, she's special. I call [lacrosse].

And to the last poster who says go ahead post your name. That was a statement that if there were registered users you'd see far less posts claiming this nonesense, or that an 8th grader is committed to Princeton, or that Dukes 2019 class is already full.

Signed,
Truth hurts.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's interesting that when presented with FACT, you mommies and daddies call me a mean spirited cranky douchbag. Haha. Plain and simple, these posts started with calling into question that a young 8th grader had committed, to one of the best programs in the country. The claim was she was special, unique, and we should all rejoice in her and her family's awesomeness. When asked for proof, surprise surprise there was none. Seems the girl and her family is a one in a million. They are special, she is special, they are humble and want to be quiet about it. You goofballs want to celebrate an accomplishment? What accomplishment? There is no announcement but you all want to rejoice because somehow you think your princess isn't far behind.

With the amount of visibility on the recruiting proposals, and the FACT that young 8th graders who committed in soccer and softball received national attention, you're going to tell me that this situation is so special it doesn't warrant that kind of attention?? That Sports Illustrted would profile other early recruits but leave this story alone, especially in light of the massive amount of support the recruiting proposals are receiving?? Oh I forgot, she's special. I call [lacrosse].

And to the last poster who says go ahead post your name. That was a statement that if there were registered users you'd see far less posts claiming this nonesense, or that an 8th grader is committed to Princeton, or that Dukes 2019 class is already full.

Signed,
Truth hurts.


OK, we get it - you don't believe a 2020 committed. Whether it's true or not, why does it bother you so much?? Were you hoping your daughter would be the first and somebody "stole" that from you? Do a little research.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's interesting that when presented with FACT, you mommies and daddies call me a mean spirited cranky douchbag. Haha. Plain and simple, these posts started with calling into question that a young 8th grader had committed, to one of the best programs in the country. The claim was she was special, unique, and we should all rejoice in her and her family's awesomeness. When asked for proof, surprise surprise there was none. Seems the girl and her family is a one in a million. They are special, she is special, they are humble and want to be quiet about it. You goofballs want to celebrate an accomplishment? What accomplishment? There is no announcement but you all want to rejoice because somehow you think your princess isn't far behind.

With the amount of visibility on the recruiting proposals, and the FACT that young 8th graders who committed in soccer and softball received national attention, you're going to tell me that this situation is so special it doesn't warrant that kind of attention?? That Sports Illustrted would profile other early recruits but leave this story alone, especially in light of the massive amount of support the recruiting proposals are receiving?? Oh I forgot, she's special. I call [lacrosse].

And to the last poster who says go ahead post your name. That was a statement that if there were registered users you'd see far less posts claiming this nonesense, or that an 8th grader is committed to Princeton, or that Dukes 2019 class is already full.

Signed,
Truth hurts.


Wow, I have no idea if an 8th grader was recruited, offered a spot and accepted the offer (committed) to a top lacrosse program/school. However, I do know that you are a very sad and bitter individual.
You are confusing bitter with trying to deal with facts. It's interesting that anyone who has knowledge of the process and try's to interject facts or detail into a conversation is attacked or accused of being jaded. The state of the sport today is being ruined primarily by parents who have a false sense of reality regarding recruiting etc., or of their child's true abilities.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are confusing bitter with trying to deal with facts. It's interesting that anyone who has knowledge of the process and try's to interject facts or detail into a conversation is attacked or accused of being jaded. The state of the sport today is being ruined primarily by parents who have a false sense of reality regarding recruiting etc., or of their child's true abilities.


What facts?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are confusing bitter with trying to deal with facts. It's interesting that anyone who has knowledge of the process and try's to interject facts or detail into a conversation is attacked or accused of being jaded. The state of the sport today is being ruined primarily by parents who have a false sense of reality regarding recruiting etc., or of their child's true abilities.


So what. if others don't have a grip on reality.....so be it. Worry about yourself. If you have a grip on reality .......good for you.
My kids and I love this game but between the sideline me first attitudes and all the chest pounding on here the sport is really turning off the average fan and average player.

Look at game attendance, its less than half of what it once was. Years of selfish all encompassing recruiting chatter is driving the masses away.

For the top players who do verbal early, congratulations but regardless of what your parents tell you don't forget it's a team game
Haha. Couldn't be further from the truth. My daughter is just fine thank you, and will wind up at the school that's right for her, just like her siblings before her. Actively being recruited, and will wind up with great academic/lacrosse choices.

I notice though that no one disputes that if a 2020 verbaled this early that it wouldn't be major news. When the original poster claimed how special this wonderkid was, another poster asked a simple question. Who, where, what club? And that was met with a response on how awesome and special and unique this prodigy was. And how the family was so humble that it was going to remain private. So if you have all this knowledge on the situation please share. It only allows others to be more informed.

Comical how I'm labeled as sad, bitter, pathetic. If someone, anyone is having success that's great. So share with all of us this success, don't come on and post nonesense on how private it all is. I'm sure we'd all like to watch in amazement how this prodigy progresses throughout 8th grade, high school, and eventually her college career.
Amen! Exactly one of the points I've been trying to make. Special does not = TEAM. It's absurd that people want to celebrate a 2020 verbal like its some great honor or prize. oh I forgot, it's very very special. Let the kids enjoy some high school experience first before rushing to college. It all goes by way too quick without the parents worrying how princess looks on the field so she can get her rightful offer(s).
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Haha. Couldn't be further from the truth. My daughter is just fine thank you, and will wind up at the school that's right for her, just like her siblings before her. Actively being recruited, and will wind up with great academic/lacrosse choices.

I notice though that no one disputes that if a 2020 verbaled this early that it wouldn't be major news. When the original poster claimed how special this wonderkid was, another poster asked a simple question. Who, where, what club? And that was met with a response on how awesome and special and unique this prodigy was. And how the family was so humble that it was going to remain private. So if you have all this knowledge on the situation please share. It only allows others to be more informed.

Comical how I'm labeled as sad, bitter, pathetic. If someone, anyone is having success that's great. So share with all of us this success, don't come on and post nonesense on how private it all is. I'm sure we'd all like to watch in amazement how this prodigy progresses throughout 8th grade, high school, and eventually her college career.


You're a horses arse, you are not writing all of that for the reasons you state. You want to know. You want to compare and show how wrong their personal decision is. Why can you say great and more on.
Can't even respond to that "more on".

As I've stated before my daughter isn't a 2020, so nothing to compare to.

Sorry the truth hurts. Enjoy the games.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Haha. Couldn't be further from the truth. My daughter is just fine thank you, and will wind up at the school that's right for her, just like her siblings before her. Actively being recruited, and will wind up with great academic/lacrosse choices.

I notice though that no one disputes that if a 2020 verbaled this early that it wouldn't be major news. When the original poster claimed how special this wonderkid was, another poster asked a simple question. Who, where, what club? And that was met with a response on how awesome and special and unique this prodigy was. And how the family was so humble that it was going to remain private. So if you have all this knowledge on the situation please share. It only allows others to be more informed.

Comical how I'm labeled as sad, bitter, pathetic. If someone, anyone is having success that's great. So share with all of us this success, don't come on and post nonesense on how private it all is. I'm sure we'd all like to watch in amazement how this prodigy progresses throughout 8th grade, high school, and eventually her college career.


For what it's worth, there's a new 2020 commit listed on the YJ website and guess what school?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Haha. Couldn't be further from the truth. My daughter is just fine thank you, and will wind up at the school that's right for her, just like her siblings before her. Actively being recruited, and will wind up with great academic/lacrosse choices.

I notice though that no one disputes that if a 2020 verbaled this early that it wouldn't be major news. When the original poster claimed how special this wonderkid was, another poster asked a simple question. Who, where, what club? And that was met with a response on how awesome and special and unique this prodigy was. And how the family was so humble that it was going to remain private. So if you have all this knowledge on the situation please share. It only allows others to be more informed.

Comical how I'm labeled as sad, bitter, pathetic. If someone, anyone is having success that's great. So share with all of us this success, don't come on and post nonesense on how private it all is. I'm sure we'd all like to watch in amazement how this prodigy progresses throughout 8th grade, high school, and eventually her college career.


For what it's worth, there's a new 2020 commit listed on the YJ website and guess what school?


That will make the guy that has been telling everyone since 5th grade that his daughter would be the first to verbal pucker up a bit.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amen! Exactly one of the points I've been trying to make. Special does not = TEAM. It's absurd that people want to celebrate a 2020 verbal like its some great honor or prize. oh I forgot, it's very very special. Let the kids enjoy some high school experience first before rushing to college. It all goes by way too quick without the parents worrying how princess looks on the field so she can get her rightful offer(s).



I don't think you understand how the recruiting process works. Below is an overview of how it went with my youngest daughter.

After her rising 9th grade summer she was contacted by 2 schools. One school was great academically the other was good (both top 10 lacrosse). After the fall of 9th grade additional schools made contact. Most of the schools that were top 20 programs. Just about all were strong academically.Two were Top 5 academic schools, one was a Top 10 academic, one was Top 15 academic and one was Top 20 academic. Six of the schools ended the 2015 season ranked in the Top 10 in lacrosse.

We did not expect the recruiting to begin so early. After considering all of the schools that reached out, we narrowed it down to nine schools and began a dialog with the coaches. After visiting the schools we narrowed it down to six and visited five of the schools again. The schools were diverse in many ways and all had much to offer. Five were Top 10 lacrosse programs and all were very strong academically. All of the Schools extended an offer to commit.

After carful consideration and with parental guidance my daughter made a decision. We never made any public announcement on any lacrosse web site, lacrosse blog or in the local paper.

The college coaches are the ones who drove this process. They watched (scouted) the games, they made the contact and they extended the offers. The coaches represented excellent schools with great lacrosse programs. These coaches are competing to get the best players before the other coaches can recruit them. After the top 20 - 30 players are off the board the recruiting process changes but by then the kids are no longer in the ninth grade.

I do not think that you have to worry about too many 8th graders committing. I think 25 - 35 9th graders will commit early this year I don't think many more than that.

Lets see if the coaches can control themselves.
Just did look at this. Looks like girl runs x-country pretty good as well-but looks like school is in FL.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just did look at this. Looks like girl runs x-country pretty good as well-but looks like school is in FL.


Like it was posted earlier when someone questioned if (2) players left YJ Blue, one young lady no longer resides in the country and another does not live in the North East. It really is not all that difficult. Occasionally people do actually post the truth. Lol
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just did look at this. Looks like girl runs x-country pretty good as well-but looks like school is in FL.


Like it was posted earlier when someone questioned if (2) players left YJ Blue, one young lady no longer resides in the country and another does not live in the North East. It really is not all that difficult. Occasionally people do actually post the truth. Lol


I'm sure this will quiet some and others will still try to put a negative spin but no matter how you slice it a commit to this school regardless of age is a major accomplishment.

Congratulations to you and your family!
Congratulations to this young lady… she must be good to have caught the attention of so many and Gary Gait in particular to be recruited as an 8th grader. The only question I have is how is this girl considered a YJ if she goes to school in Florida and is on a Florida club, Florid Select?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congratulations to this young lady… she must be good to have caught the attention of so many and Gary Gait in particular to be recruited as an 8th grader. The only question I have is how is this girl considered a YJ if she goes to school in Florida and is on a Florida club, Florid Select?


I say yes. YJ has posted commitments of girls who have committed to other collegiate sports while being on the YJ roster, so why not.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congratulations to this young lady… she must be good to have caught the attention of so many and Gary Gait in particular to be recruited as an 8th grader. The only question I have is how is this girl considered a YJ if she goes to school in Florida and is on a Florida club, Florid Select?


I believe she played last season with YJ . That's a helluva commute. I thought the Jersey Tpke. was a raw deal. Congratulations to her where ever she has played.
so a 2020 girl committed to the Cuse.. no big deal, my daughter is a 2044, yes, a 2044, and she is being recruited by every school in the america and the moon and mars as well. she will get all the accolades not a 2020 commit.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Haha. Couldn't be further from the truth. My daughter is just fine thank you, and will wind up at the school that's right for her, just like her siblings before her. Actively being recruited, and will wind up with great academic/lacrosse choices.

I notice though that no one disputes that if a 2020 verbaled this early that it wouldn't be major news. When the original poster claimed how special this wonderkid was, another poster asked a simple question. Who, where, what club? And that was met with a response on how awesome and special and unique this prodigy was. And how the family was so humble that it was going to remain private. So if you have all this knowledge on the situation please share. It only allows others to be more informed.

Comical how I'm labeled as sad, bitter, pathetic. If someone, anyone is having success that's great. So share with all of us this success, don't come on and post nonesense on how private it all is. I'm sure we'd all like to watch in amazement how this prodigy progresses throughout 8th grade, high school, and eventually her college career.


So we are all awaiting your apology to this young lady and her family. Clearly, she has verbally committed. You've ranted for a week about it not being true.....is your mea culpa coming???
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I truly feel bad for whomever is posting this nonesense. Very delusional. Your reality check will come soon enough. Oh I forgot, she's special.... All the 2020s are so unique and special. Whew now she can focus, because clearly in 7th grade she wasn't as focused as she could of been. Spare us all. Boatload of money huh...thanks for the laugh. Yes schools must rush to the 2020s now and throw a ton of money at 8th graders to get them locked up. I'm done responding, you'll be the same guy or gal I'll see screaming on the sidelines on how special princess is. Wish this forum wasn't anonymous, any coach reading your nonesense would steer clear, that's for sure.


You forgot to sign Truth hurts
Ok, so my daughter plays with this 8th grader who has committed. Nice kid, nice family, kid works like a dog on and off field. My daughter trains with her as well so I see first hand what she does and doesn't do. My 2018 is a good player, not yet committed. If she put half the time in this 2020 does, she would be though.
Amazing to me that people who do not know this kid make comments and judgements about this decision or the process. Most kids don't know what they want to do with their lives, heck I am 52 and am still trying to figure it out. This young lady does and has worked to make it come to a reality for her.
So instead of criticism why not try and respond the way my 14 year daughter did when I told her the news, "Oh my gosh! That's amazing! I am thrilled for her!" Not the response even I had predicted, but had hoped she would say. Be happy for what someone has achieved not criticize because you or your child hasn't reached the same levels yet or ever will.
Happy I live in Florida and don't deal with type of mumbo jumbo on a regular basis. There has to be something else you guys need to do....like wall ball!
Oh Mr. Florida. Ok, if you say so.
A little bizzare, freakish actually, that you state you're watching this kids every move. Something tells me you're a lot closer to this situation than you claim to be.
In any event, the rips come on how everyone should be celebrating this player, how truly unique, how truly special, blah blah blah. Good for her, good for the family, but let's spare the specialness on how this player works 1000% harder than every other 8th grader nationally. Bottom line this is a young 8th grader, still in middle school, shouldn't be making that type of decision, regardless of talent or focus or uniqueness. It's the result of a process that has gotten out of hand, and if continued will only be a matter of time before 8th graders are all committing and someone else will boast how a 6th grader just made her college choice.
Don't worry about me or my children, as a former D1 athlete I don't have to live thru my kids, and all of mine are or will wind up playing at the best academic/athletic fit for them. But I do appreciate your concern that somehow we aren't quite as special.
Sincerely,
Truth hurts.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, so my daughter plays with this 8th grader who has committed. Nice kid, nice family, kid works like a dog on and off field. My daughter trains with her as well so I see first hand what she does and doesn't do. My 2018 is a good player, not yet committed. If she put half the time in this 2020 does, she would be though.
Amazing to me that people who do not know this kid make comments and judgements about this decision or the process. Most kids don't know what they want to do with their lives, heck I am 52 and am still trying to figure it out. This young lady does and has worked to make it come to a reality for her.
So instead of criticism why not try and respond the way my 14 year daughter did when I told her the news, "Oh my gosh! That's amazing! I am thrilled for her!" Not the response even I had predicted, but had hoped she would say. Be happy for what someone has achieved not criticize because you or your child hasn't reached the same levels yet or ever will.
Happy I live in Florida and don't deal with type of mumbo jumbo on a regular basis. There has to be something else you guys need to do....like wall ball!


The coaches and parents have effed up this sport. Nobody, I mean nobody cares about lacrosse anymore unless your kid is playing in it. Everyone is out for themselves! HS football kids aren't committing until senior year and the whole town embraces the boys and the TEAM!!!!! Everyone hates going to a lacrosse game not because they don't like the game but because of all this my kid is better than your kid and my kid signed as a 6th grader BS talked about on the sidelines.
preach my man, preach.....unless you are seeing it first hand, like most of us on this site do, you cannot understand how narcissistic and utterly self important the travel lax community is....said it before, but just try to find another parent cheer for someone other than their kid on the sidelines when nobody is looking...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh Mr. Florida. Ok, if you say so.
A little bizzare, freakish actually, that you state you're watching this kids every move. Something tells me you're a lot closer to this situation than you claim to be.
In any event, the rips come on how everyone should be celebrating this player, how truly unique, how truly special, blah blah blah. Good for her, good for the family, but let's spare the specialness on how this player works 1000% harder than every other 8th grader nationour kids hids clear. s is a young 8th grader, still in middle school, shouldn't be making that type of decision, regardless of talent or focus or uniqueness. It's the result of a process that has gotten out of hand, and if continued will only be a matter of time before 8th graders are all committing and someone else will boast how a 6th grader just made her college choice.
Don't worry about me or my children, as a former D1 athlete I don't have to live thru my kids, and all of mine are or will wind up playing at the best academic/athletic fit for them. But I do appreciate your concern that somehow we aren't quite as special.
Sincerely,
Truth hurts.


what a horses arse you are! You think that we all can't read through your veiled jealousy. Former D1 athlete, what a joke. Very telling that you mentioned that. Your kid is probably on the YJ 4th team and its driving you crazy mad that your prior D1 athletic prowess didn't rub off. Your poor daughter. She probably hates you and you don't even know it yet. Why do you care what decisions this young lady makes? You mention "freaky and bizarre"...take a guess at what most level headed people think about your anonymous derogatory comments about a 14 year old who's a smart kid and was given an opportunity to follow her dreams. Grow up and please let us all know the college you attended so we can all steer clear as your parents clearly wasted their money.
Oh Mr. horse,
Looks like I touched a nerve, and an uneducated one at that. No jealously, no bitterness, no anything in regards to my posts. But yours clearly spark an anger, a hate...almost like "how dare this Mr. Truth guy doesn't recognize my daughter's/niece's/beery buddy's friend uniqueness and specialness."
I feel sorry for you, commenting that somehow my comments were because I didn't match up, or my kids didn't match up, etc. etc. Was only mentioned to combat a negative remark, and you responded exactly how it was intended to have you react (with stupidity), by your comments can also clearly tell you have no clue relative to athletics. But of course you'll spout off about how my daughter has to be on some 4th team like you have some superior gift for understanding the lax landscape, you must be so special too.
Let me get you more angry, the last thing I'm worried about is my daughter's options, I'm sure you'll see her playing for a great program one day (at least that's what the programs recruiting her are saying), while you are commenting how overrated all those girls are. You'll say "Suzie, see, they aren't that good, they should of noticed you, these girls all stink." One thing is for sure though, I won't spout off about your daughter/niece/child's friend...
Oh how dare me, I'm not basking in the glow of this young smart gifted prodigy following her dreams. Give me a break. It's too early, plain and simple. It's not derogatory, it's a statement. 8th grade is far too early and the kids are far too young. I notice how you don't dispute that Mr. Horse/Educated. You just get angry when someone can't recognize specialness. In an 8th grader. And clearly you can't handle it, so stop responding to me and go help her follow her dreams.
I'm betting you're the same guy shouting from the sidelines that every girl on the team needs to pass, until the ball gets to your daughter. Then somehow your special daughter should shoot whenever she feels fit, but everyone else is a ball hog or isn't talented enough to recognize your princess is open.
Oh, PS, D1 remember, the college I attended wasted their money. smile
All the best,
Mr. Truth hurts
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh Mr. Florida. Ok, if you say so.
A little bizzare, freakish actually, that you state you're watching this kids every move. Something tells me you're a lot closer to this situation than you claim to be.
In any event, the rips come on how everyone should be celebrating this player, how truly unique, how truly special, blah blah blah. Good for her, good for the family, but let's spare the specialness on how this player works 1000% harder than every other 8th grader nationour kids hids clear. s is a young 8th grader, still in middle school, shouldn't be making that type of decision, regardless of talent or focus or uniqueness. It's the result of a process that has gotten out of hand, and if continued will only be a matter of time before 8th graders are all committing and someone else will boast how a 6th grader just made her college choice.
Don't worry about me or my children, as a former D1 athlete I don't have to live thru my kids, and all of mine are or will wind up playing at the best academic/athletic fit for them. But I do appreciate your concern that somehow we aren't quite as special.
Sincerely,
Truth hurts.


what a horses arse you are! You think that we all can't read through your veiled jealousy. Former D1 athlete, what a joke. Very telling that you mentioned that. Your kid is probably on the YJ 4th team and its driving you crazy mad that your prior D1 athletic prowess didn't rub off. Your poor daughter. She probably hates you and you don't even know it yet. Why do you care what decisions this young lady makes? You mention "freaky and bizarre"...take a guess at what most level headed people think about your anonymous derogatory comments about a 14 year old who's a smart kid and was given an opportunity to follow her dreams. Grow up and please let us all know the college you attended so we can all steer clear as your parents clearly wasted their money.


Different poster here, but let me just ask a simple question, why does this decision have to made so young? If this particular girl, or any girl, is good enough to be courted by top colleges at such a young age, wouldn't one assume that she will still be a top kid a few years from now? If the answer is that "the money will be gone", then there in lies the problem. So I really don't care what you say about this girl or any other, none of them should be making this decision at this age. If 'Cuse is the perfect fit, it will also be a perfect fit 3 years from now. So I think a "shame on you" is deserved in this situation, to Syracuse and Coach Gait. You can't tell me he was afraid of "losing her". Because Syracuse is everything this 13 year old has ever dreamed of and it's such a perfect fit that there was no chance he would have lost her. Will someone with a super talented daughter please stand up to this and protect their kids and the rest of us from this? Just say we are going to wait. It will all work out better in the long run. And it will let us poor souls with not quite as talented daughters also wait until they become more equipped to make these decisions. Thanks.
[/quote]The coaches and parents have effed up this sport. Nobody, I mean nobody cares about lacrosse anymore unless your kid is playing in it. Everyone is out for themselves! HS football kids aren't committing until senior year and the whole town embraces the boys and the TEAM!!!!! Everyone hates going to a lacrosse game not because they don't like the game but because of all this my kid is better than your kid and my kid signed as a 6th grader BS talked about on the sidelines. [/quote]

The wedge starts in PAL but really starts in our town with 7th & 8th graders petitioning and kissing up to play varsity.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh Mr. horse,
Looks like I touched a nerve, and an uneducated one at that. No jealously, no bitterness, no anything in regards to my posts. But yours clearly spark an anger, a hate...almost like "how dare this Mr. Truth guy doesn't recognize my daughter's/niece's/beery buddy's friend uniqueness and specialness."
I feel sorry for you, commenting that somehow my comments were because I didn't match up, or my kids didn't match up, etc. etc. Was only mentioned to combat a negative remark, and you responded exactly how it was intended to have you react (with stupidity), by your comments can also clearly tell you have no clue relative to athletics. But of course you'll spout off about how my daughter has to be on some 4th team like you have some superior gift for understanding the lax landscape, you must be so special too.
Let me get you more angry, the last thing I'm worried about is my daughter's options, I'm sure you'll see her playing for a great program one day (at least that's what the programs recruiting her are saying), while you are commenting how overrated all those girls are. You'll say "Suzie, see, they aren't that good, they should of noticed you, these girls all stink." One thing is for sure though, I won't spout off about your daughter/niece/child's friend...
Oh how dare me, I'm not basking in the glow of this young smart gifted prodigy following her dreams. Give me a break. It's too early, plain and simple. It's not derogatory, it's a statement. 8th grade is far too early and the kids are far too young. I notice how you don't dispute that Mr. Horse/Educated. You just get angry when someone can't recognize specialness. In an 8th grader. And clearly you can't handle it, so stop responding to me and go help her follow her dreams.
I'm betting you're the same guy shouting from the sidelines that every girl on the team needs to pass, until the ball gets to your daughter. Then somehow your special daughter should shoot whenever she feels fit, but everyone else is a ball hog or isn't talented enough to recognize your princess is open.
Oh, PS, D1 remember, the college I attended wasted their money. smile
All the best,
Mr. Truth hurts


so your daughter isn't a 2020 and your stalking the 2020 message board? Loser!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh Mr. Florida. Ok, if you say so.
A little bizzare, freakish actually, that you state you're watching this kids every move. Something tells me you're a lot closer to this situation than you claim to be.
In any event, the rips come on how everyone should be celebrating this player, how truly unique, how truly special, blah blah blah. Good for her, good for the family, but let's spare the specialness on how this player works 1000% harder than every other 8th grader nationour kids hids clear. s is a young 8th grader, still in middle school, shouldn't be making that type of decision, regardless of talent or focus or uniqueness. It's the result of a process that has gotten out of hand, and if continued will only be a matter of time before 8th graders are all committing and someone else will boast how a 6th grader just made her college choice.
Don't worry about me or my children, as a former D1 athlete I don't have to live thru my kids, and all of mine are or will wind up playing at the best academic/athletic fit for them. But I do appreciate your concern that somehow we aren't quite as special.
Sincerely,
Truth hurts.


what a horses arse you are! You think that we all can't read through your veiled jealousy. Former D1 athlete, what a joke. Very telling that you mentioned that. Your kid is probably on the YJ 4th team and its driving you crazy mad that your prior D1 athletic prowess didn't rub off. Your poor daughter. She probably hates you and you don't even know it yet. Why do you care what decisions this young lady makes? You mention "freaky and bizarre"...take a guess at what most level headed people think about your anonymous derogatory comments about a 14 year old who's a smart kid and was given an opportunity to follow her dreams. Grow up and please let us all know the college you attended so we can all steer clear as your parents clearly wasted their money.


Different poster here, but let me just ask a simple question, why does this decision have to made so young? If this particular girl, or any girl, is good enough to be courted by top colleges at such a young age, wouldn't one assume that she will still be a top kid a few years from now? If the answer is that "the money will be gone", then there in lies the problem. So I really don't care what you say about this girl or any other, none of them should be making this decision at this age. If 'Cuse is the perfect fit, it will also be a perfect fit 3 years from now. So I think a "shame on you" is deserved in this situation, to Syracuse and Coach Gait. You can't tell me he was afraid of "losing her". Because Syracuse is everything this 13 year old has ever dreamed of and it's such a perfect fit that there was no chance he would have lost her. Will someone with a super talented daughter please stand up to this and protect their kids and the rest of us from this? Just say we are going to wait. It will all work out better in the long run. And it will let us poor souls with not quite as talented daughters also wait until they become more equipped to make these decisions. Thanks.


Let me ask you a question, are you saying that somehow the junior in high school some how figures it all out? LOL not a chance.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh Mr. horse,
Looks like I touched a nerve, and an uneducated one at that. No jealously, no bitterness, no anything in regards to my posts. But yours clearly spark an anger, a hate...almost like "how dare this Mr. Truth guy doesn't recognize my daughter's/niece's/beery buddy's friend uniqueness and specialness."
I feel sorry for you, commenting that somehow my comments were because I didn't match up, or my kids didn't match up, etc. etc. Was only mentioned to combat a negative remark, and you responded exactly how it was intended to have you react (with stupidity), by your comments can also clearly tell you have no clue relative to athletics. But of course you'll spout off about how my daughter has to be on some 4th team like you have some superior gift for understanding the lax landscape, you must be so special too.
Let me get you more angry, the last thing I'm worried about is my daughter's options, I'm sure you'll see her playing for a great program one day (at least that's what the programs recruiting her are saying), while you are commenting how overrated all those girls are. You'll say "Suzie, see, they aren't that good, they should of noticed you, these girls all stink." One thing is for sure though, I won't spout off about your daughter/niece/child's friend...
Oh how dare me, I'm not basking in the glow of this young smart gifted prodigy following her dreams. Give me a break. It's too early, plain and simple. It's not derogatory, it's a statement. 8th grade is far too early and the kids are far too young. I notice how you don't dispute that Mr. Horse/Educated. You just get angry when someone can't recognize specialness. In an 8th grader. And clearly you can't handle it, so stop responding to me and go help her follow her dreams.
I'm betting you're the same guy shouting from the sidelines that every girl on the team needs to pass, until the ball gets to your daughter. Then somehow your special daughter should shoot whenever she feels fit, but everyone else is a ball hog or isn't talented enough to recognize your princess is open.
Oh, PS, D1 remember, the college I attended wasted their money. smile
All the best,
Mr. Truth hurts


aka Mr. Bitter who needs professional mental help. Not just one Doctor, but a team of them studying everything about you. You live near Stony Brook, maybe Spallina can hook you up.
Did I say that she wasn't a 2020? I think that's more your wishful thinking, i.e. Can't be a 2020 because no one has talked to my special princess yet. If she is or isn't who cares? I read all the message boards, usually for laughs, some for insight, or some to give an opinion. That's the beauty of the Internet. You're the one getting all worked up,, yet another Mommie or Daddy, when having no true insight or knowledge, resorting to name calling about a message board comment.
Another victim of.....truth hurts.
Different poster gets it. What's the rush? There is no logical reason to celebrate all this specialness. Unless Mom and Dad didn't start saving for college, or need something to boast about, then by all means verbal away at your own risk. I just hope she doesn't become a growing statistic of prodigys who wind up transferring or even worse leaving the sport altogether.
The junior in hs at least has a few more years and more experiences on which to base her decision on. Allows her to visit colleges more freely, and make a more informed decision. It seems to work out for most football and basketball athletes just fine, but somehow in lax you have to be in middle school or just entering high school to make the most informed decision. Please. Do you even read your posts before you send them??
Oh mr bitter, another knucklehead showing his true colors. Got me all figured out huh?
Not even close. Not even remotely close. However, I think I have a handle on you.
You're the guy or gal wearing the club t-shirt or sweatshirt on the sidelines, with your chair snuggled up against the lines right at midfield. Telling anyone who will listen how special and athletic your group of girls are, because it only makes princess even more special. Yelling at the ref when they make a bad call, which always goes against your princesses team, but of course she never fouls. And your daughter is responsible for the great win, but when princesses team loses its not her fault, the goalie isn't really that good and you wish your team could get a better one. But you still can't figure out why no one has contacted you yet about princess, but you know it's just a matter of time, it's the other girls on her team that are making her look bad.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh Mr. Florida. Ok, if you say so.
A little bizzare, freakish actually, that you state you're watching this kids every move. Something tells me you're a lot closer to this situation than you claim to be.
In any event, the rips come on how everyone should be celebrating this player, how truly unique, how truly special, blah blah blah. Good for her, good for the family, but let's spare the specialness on how this player works 1000% harder than every other 8th grader nationour kids hids clear. s is a young 8th grader, still in middle school, shouldn't be making that type of decision, regardless of talent or focus or uniqueness. It's the result of a process that has gotten out of hand, and if continued will only be a matter of time before 8th graders are all committing and someone else will boast how a 6th grader just made her college choice.
Don't worry about me or my children, as a former D1 athlete I don't have to live thru my kids, and all of mine are or will wind up playing at the best academic/athletic fit for them. But I do appreciate your concern that somehow we aren't quite as special.
Sincerely,
Truth hurts.


what a horses arse you are! You think that we all can't read through your veiled jealousy. Former D1 athlete, what a joke. Very telling that you mentioned that. Your kid is probably on the YJ 4th team and its driving you crazy mad that your prior D1 athletic prowess didn't rub off. Your poor daughter. She probably hates you and you don't even know it yet. Why do you care what decisions this young lady makes? You mention "freaky and bizarre"...take a guess at what most level headed people think about your anonymous derogatory comments about a 14 year old who's a smart kid and was given an opportunity to follow her dreams. Grow up and please let us all know the college you attended so we can all steer clear as your parents clearly wasted their money.


Different poster here, but let me just ask a simple question, why does this decision have to made so young? If this particular girl, or any girl, is good enough to be courted by top colleges at such a young age, wouldn't one assume that she will still be a top kid a few years from now? If the answer is that "the money will be gone", then there in lies the problem. So I really don't care what you say about this girl or any other, none of them should be making this decision at this age. If 'Cuse is the perfect fit, it will also be a perfect fit 3 years from now. So I think a "shame on you" is deserved in this situation, to Syracuse and Coach Gait. You can't tell me he was afraid of "losing her". Because Syracuse is everything this 13 year old has ever dreamed of and it's such a perfect fit that there was no chance he would have lost her. Will someone with a super talented daughter please stand up to this and protect their kids and the rest of us from this? Just say we are going to wait. It will all work out better in the long run. And it will let us poor souls with not quite as talented daughters also wait until they become more equipped to make these decisions. Thanks.


Let me ask you a question, are you saying that somehow the junior in high school some how figures it all out? LOL not a chance.


I am saying they have a better shot at it than a 13 year-old. And I am also saying a lot changes for a kid from 13 to 17. The things they find important to them at 13 are very often not the exact same things at 17. Maybe you haven't had children grow up yet. Mine range from out of college to still in high school. I promise you they are very different at 17 than 13 and yes they are different at yet again at 25. I would give a 17 year-old a much better chance of finding the right college fit for themselves than a 13 year-old. Will a 17 year-old get it right every time? Not even close. But way more often than a 13 year-old. Use a little common sense please.
He is 100% correct. Before you all (or one of you) knee jerk a response, and resort to name calling, etc..,maybe you should consider the benefit of experience. Think to yourselves maybe, just maybe, some of these posters know what they are talking about because they have seen it before.
New poster here. On these plane rides you get caught up with all age groups and genders... interesting. I usually read and laugh. But I felt the urge to post on this as it goes back and forth on the recruiting rules(or lack of)then swings back to the player. I really think the best thing is to move to new conversation. Your not going to solve anything until a bigger body changes rule. People can do what they feel is right for them, others may not feel it is right... but if it doesn't effect you who cares.

This doesn't need to be special thing, or accomplishment. It was a decision. I was told I made a bad decision to send my son to public school versus a private... on paper it looked that way. It was the best decision I could have made for my son There is not a right or wrong here... unless you take a side... which is your choice. But no reason to blast each other, or more important the player.

I would to see you all move on..... and have a Happy Holiday and New Year. We do have an election coming up that I think is more important... and to be honest I hope you show the same intensity in your side you chose-LOl.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, so my daughter plays with this 8th grader who has committed. Nice kid, nice family, kid works like a dog on and off field. My daughter trains with her as well so I see first hand what she does and doesn't do. My 2018 is a good player, not yet committed. If she put half the time in this 2020 does, she would be though.
Amazing to me that people who do not know this kid make comments and judgements about this decision or the process. Most kids don't know what they want to do with their lives, heck I am 52 and am still trying to figure it out. This young lady does and has worked to make it come to a reality for her.
So instead of criticism why not try and respond the way my 14 year daughter did when I told her the news, "Oh my gosh! That's amazing! I am thrilled for her!" Not the response even I had predicted, but had hoped she would say. Be happy for what someone has achieved not criticize because you or your child hasn't reached the same levels yet or ever will.
Happy I live in Florida and don't deal with type of mumbo jumbo on a regular basis. There has to be something else you guys need to do....like wall ball!


I'm sure that the majority of players and parents on the YJ team would tell you that she wasn't even in the top five players on the team...