BOTC is opening our Fall 2015 through Summer 2016 thread covering the Girls 2018-10th Grade age group.

With tryout season approaching, I need to find a new team for my daughter. She played on fl$ last year and the team was very bad and she had a miserable summer. I am sure many of the girls will be moving on. She is a middle of the road player and I am not sure where to go at this point. What clubs can she play on either of their top 2 teams? Live on north shore. She would also,like to do more lax year round. I can't in good conscience send her back to fl$. Help!

I would doubt that fl$ will field a team in this age group next year. Parents I know are not having their kids return. It was a waste of money but more importantly was a waste of their time. Many I know wil most likely go to elevate. Some said they want tongonto YJ tryouts but any girl on fl$ would be on a 4th YJ team. Good luck with your next move.

Many of the fl$ girls went to elevate tryouts last year. Some made 2nd team, some made 3rd team and others didn't make it at all. Most went back to fl$. Why will the outcome be any different this year?

It will be different this year because the fl$ girls CAN NOT return to that program. It was such a disaster. They will NOT field a 2018 team this year and if they do it will be a repeat of this past summer.

Like to Commend the Lady Eagles Town Team from Rocky Point on their success this past season wrapping it up with a 2nd year Lake Placid victory. Their Coach who is a volunteer has put numerous amounts of time and effort to showing positive results on both his Varsity and Middle School level teams , where others couldn't care less about the program he has proved them wrong. There is greater things ahead for this group of girls and for this coach.

Who is the coach?

Probably the person who wrote the post.

Really!!?? That's why this verbally abusive Daddy Coach has single-handedly ruined RP girls lax! You have no youth program to speak of. Every team is combined years, with numbers shrinking every year. Makes 3rd-6th graders run 5K's or they don't play. Has all these young girls out with repetitive use injuries. My daughter ran as fast as she could away from him.
-Teams left to play Nassau PAL
-Even JS and DS want nothing to do with him.....but daddy coach knows better than a D-1 College coach!!!!

Who is the coach?

I think I will goto rocky point and sell these people sand on the beach.
Keep drinking the kool aide people , that team has a half of a handful of higher caliber travel organization players.
He's a parent of a yellow jacket who takes sideline notes and watches youtube videos then goes and preaches "his" philosophy.
This is hilarious




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Really!!?? That's why this verbally abusive Daddy Coach has single-handedly ruined RP girls lax! You have no youth program to speak of. Every team is combined years, with numbers shrinking every year. Makes 3rd-6th graders run 5K's or they don't play. Has all these young girls out with repetitive use injuries. My daughter ran as fast as she could away from him.
-Teams left to play Nassau PAL
-Even JS and DS want nothing to do with him.....but daddy coach knows better than a D-1 College coach!!!!
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*DS has single handedly ruined Rocky Point Lacrosse. He's coached teams with 6 D1 commits on it and still hasn't come up with a winning season. There are more girls playing lacrosse than ever. The 2018 class has about 15 girl's lacrosse players in it, while the 2015 class had maybe 3 players.
Also, where is your daughter going to college? I believe that "Daddy Coaches" is going to the top school in the nation. Also, about 5 other girls on the Lady Eagles are getting top twenty calls. Who do you think coached them for all these years? With an attitude like yours, your daughter will end up playing Club at Suffolk. She'll probably ride the bench. Have fun with the used cars sales men dressed up as a coach known as DS.

The 2018 class has about 15 girl's lacrosse players in it.
Yes but how many playing lacrosse and how many are Lacrosse Players

Oh Boy! Francis has the soap box out again! Give it a rest already!!!

Who is the coach?

Hey we have an idea !!
You should set up a meeting with DS and express your anger towards him just as you cowardly done on here and share your philosophy of your coaches high lax knowledge with him so he can drink your kool aide too. If your not happy with your school ball coach , don't play ! I am sure the top 20 colleges will understand .

Do a little research - try this new site called the Google!

Why does that matter? Clearly they are a group of girls that are playing together and winning. If your daughter plays high-caliber lacrosse you should know that you can't win a lacrosse game with one girl; and "Daddy Coach" plays everyone equally. Therefore, even if a girl spends $3000 a year having every washed up HS lacrosse player training them from here to Garden City (because that is probably how you distinguish a "lacrosse player" from a "player of lacrosse" = $$$ spent) or $0 having "Daddy Coach" coach them, they equally contribute to the team and are getting better every year through good-ole handwork. And hey, if you keep sucking up to JS he might let your daughter ride the bench on his 40 girl roster team!!!!

Dear Patch,

Thanks for the advice. I did in fact do a little research and went on Google.
Amazingly YOU came up under [lacrosse].

If your gonna comment on this coach don't be that much of a puss to only use initials.
So if you're going to publish comments at least let our readers know who the [lacrosse] your talking about.

The "Daddy Coach" who they are talking about is Sanchez, the first year JV coach at RP, and this person on here thinks that he knows more that Dan and Joe Spallina.
As far as numbers , RP used to have 2 teams per age group from 3rd to 6th grade. Now each team is a combined grade team. Parents ran away from this group, even going so far as to do Nassau PAL and splitting from them.
And how are LE other teams doing if he is such a lax prophet? They couldn't even beat a PAL team. So relax with how well they are all doing.
And his little stint with JV will be short lived as they already have his replacement.

Wow with all these studs and such a great coach you elected to play in the JV divisionIf you are going to brag about winning the JV division with varsity players you should expect some abuse.

Thanks for being clear so outsiders can understand and follow. Good on ya.

He is a Cult leader, has many followers who will do anything for him , he offers free Saturday morning boot camp sessions and stick skills , if he was to charge for this he would have absolutely no one there. The saying if it's free it's for me would sum this up , rocky point is a small town with not much socializing in the community going on , this is a way for parents to get free day care and or a saturday morning coffee clutch with friends for two hours .this is totally fine but doesn't in any way make him an instant high caliber lax coach. He had all his cult members last year vote him in as youth coach of the year , very sickining to say the least. His head is so swollen that he believes he is collegiate coaching material .
Parents who made previous statenets that 15 girl's are all being looked at by top 20 schools is far from the truth . There is a half a hand full of girls who are good only because they have played on the yellow jackets , and played together since youth , if you take them away from this team environment, you will find they are just as basic as the ones this cult leader claims everyone who doesn't participate in his ideology is.






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Wow with all these studs and such a great coach you elected to play in the JV divisionIf you are going to brag about winning the JV division with varsity players you should expect some abuse. [/quote]

Funny how you think you know everything about this person and his team. It's ok to call yourself a Fan. Oh, and by the way , you couldn't be more incorrect on all the points you are trying to make. That's always been your M O. No one really cares what you think.

We all know this is frank Vu trying to stir up [lacrosse] again

So posting on here about how there are "great thing ahead" for this coach, Sanchez, shows his pipe dream to undermine Spallina and become the HC of RP. The guy is verbally abusive, a joke to all the refs and an embarrassment to the community with his antics. But his replacement is here already.
So all his little board followers who have depleted the youth program (there is a fraction of girls playing Lax) think he is going to take over the HS program is a joke. He thinks having 2nd and 3rd graders having to run 5k's and attend his boot camps is mandatory to play. That's abusive! Girls ran away in droves. He wigged out when the other RP girls won the Shamrock Shootout, and made damn sure those girls didn't play together again!!
His older team is a bunch of travel team girls thrown together and they are good. His younger teams that the parents are too cheap to get real coaching, have been doing this crap for 4 years, and any girl not on a real travel team can't even catch! His younger teams barley win a game at any level. But the parents keep drinking his cool aid.

Wow for somebody that hates this coach and teams so much you really keep close tabs on them.

Couldn't agree more with the above !
He's not proven in anyway nor does he have the coaching knowledge .
He's not the spallinas - proven results
He's not the palaseks - proven results
He's that rocky pointer who just runs a boot camp and wants that state championship in girls lacrosse so he can say it was him who made that happen .

Yes I do keep tabs on someone that will be coaching my daughter. Watching the kool aid drinking parents throwing out their 3-5th graders in the rain on a 40 degree Sat morning to do boot camp while they are crying and begging not to do it was the last straw. He says if you don't do his boot camp, you don't play on his LE team. That's abuse!
Needn't ballistic when other coaches won shamrock, and when a young girl coach beat his HS all start team at Lake Placid!!

Well the last time I checked lacrosse was played in 40 degree rainy weather so I guess those girls will be well prepared. Good Luck to you.

Funny but for people who talk so much crap about the varsity coach all season on how he sucks , they certainly kiss his [lacrosse] when season rolls around.
Yes you know who you are !
That includes the main topic.

Must be a north central Suffolk County thing...your friends next door in Miller Place don't even have a coach now for any level as they were all let go. Almost every senior and junior (except for the 'Brown' noser looking to get into Brown who had no travel experience and didn't get into Brown anyway but wasted a position on the field) lit into the coach during the exit interviews (heck, she probably did also) so I guess we got what we were hoping for. The RP and the MP girls have been playing sports with and against each other for years and they both wonder how they have scant playoff opportunities with the talent they had and have.

Anybody remember when the crazy guy made the fake Facebook to bash Sanchez and rocky point lacrosse? Looks like the crazy guy found another place to spread more hate anonymously. Get a life guy

No but I do remember hearing that the Lax Guru wannabe and his cronies turned away a D1 girls coach with Not allowing his daughter to play up one year. Please explain that one ? Sounds more harm then good for the program wouldn't you say ?? Seems it's all about the inner circle of a select few . Was it fear that real lacrosse may rise again in RP if you let this man get his feet back into program ?
Afraid that you may be proven wrong in your teachings ?

I think bending the rules that have been bent already for some of your coaches who together couldn't figure out how to tie his shoes would have been the right choice for the whole program.

Look at the big picture !

Wait so the rules should bend and you should automatically be able to do whatever you want if you're father is a D1 Lax Coach? Oooh ok that makes perfect sense

Well being a part of this program as a parent who commends MS I would say that the ridiculousness that he has turned away this D1 college coach when other (no names) board members have their daughter playing up already and more so that most of the teams are combined with various grades already, but wont allow a guy who has proven himself over and over to step in help out when he can and maybe make the necessary recommendation and corrections to the way things are done, it is a foolish move on the part of what's best for the organization. It looks more about selfishness of keeping control of the organization (all to himself) .
I can tell you that many other parents were disappointed on the turning away of JS with such a lame excuse . I think people to realize that decisions need to be spread out with thought amongst the board , and not by one thick headed member .

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH !!!!!!!

That's not a very ROYAL comment now is it?? Get it?

What do you mean by this? Please elaborate?

When's tryouts for top gun and YJ 's

RP go to your local FD for this argument air your nonsense there face to face

Must be someone from the Lady Eagles writing this stuff because they can't form proper sentences. Misspelled words and improper grammar are hallmarks of Lady Eagles leadership and youth club board members. Whomever wrote that "There are more girls playing lacrosse than ever" is drinking too much Kool-Aid. Forget about 2018-2021 numbers because these groups were managed under different leaderships years ago when things were fun for the kids. Current leadership, which includes this Lady Eagles coach, have managed to whittle the youth numbers down to where we have 3---yes, 3, 2024 kids playing in the youth program. To call the Lady Eagles a town team is so misleading. 11-12 of those kids have been playing on YJ or TG since the 2nd grade. You would be lucky to find 1 or 2 kids this team that didn't play travel. And, these kids are terrible. BTW, these non-travel kids are coached/trained by this brilliant Lady Eagles coach. He takes credit for their successes. Meanwhile, parents have spent thousands and thousands for travel, privates, etc. It's a joke. Parents are moving to Shoreham and Miller Place just to get away for these people.

What does FD and RP stand for?

Wish more parents would have the courage to stand up to these bully false prophets of lax that have hijacked our youth programs. But, I don't blame people for remaining anonymous. People that have stood up to these false prophets have been crucified by them. This group is relentless. They spread lies upon lies about honest people that truly care about the kids of this community. Someone should print these posts and check back in 4-5 years to be a witness to the wonderful works of this brilliant Lady Eagles coach and his mindless followers.

Parents and kids were so fed up with this crap they formed thier own 5/6th PAL team and had to go to Nassau to play, as to get their daughters away from this garbage. All his little Lady Eagles that we're left managed to win ONE game this year. The outsiders that left managed wins against Manhassett and Garden City, to name a few.
The Prophet was so pissed when the group of coaches that didn't buy his garbage won tournaments, and he knew he had to put a stop to it!!
Had the Board remove two long-standing coaches that lost 1 game the whole time they were coaching. Now the Prophet and his kool-aid followers are trying to smear Joe and Dan Spallina. Joe had tha audacity to try to help, even offered to have some SB players come down and help the girls. But lord forbid Sanchez be out shown by anyone.

Many have tried under different circumstances. It's futile to discuss anything with this group. They're bunch of homegrown Rocky Pointers that will follow each other off a cliff. Some of them even hated each other back in the day, but now under the lax banner, are "friends". They are all a bunch of users. Using each other. We would have more success debating these issues with a brick wall. Most of them are dumb as doorknobs. What they have going for them is that they are established, have a lot of time to waste, mobilize quickly to squash any dissidents, and they create a lot of noise, noise, noise. That so called brilliant Lady Eagles coach wouldn't know the difference zone and man-to-man. He carries a lax stick all the time to prop himself up because doesn't even know how to use it---and this is not even a joke. What's even sadder than the deterioration of the youth program is the group that follows him. None...not one of their kids will get scholarship money. He's 3 kids through the YJ program. One didn't play college. The other didn't get any money. I think #3 will might get some money. She committed to MD, but she still has 3 more years of HS. Parents, invest your money in your kids education. Let kids be kids before they grow up to be adults and hate you for ruining their childhood.

This is really a silly discussion. Clearly all the people on this thread know each other. Don't waste everyone else's time Call each other

Alot easier said then done.
Lax mafia will hunt you down if you cross their line and dare to challenge.


uote=Anonymous]This is really a silly discussion. Clearly all the people on this thread know each other. Don't waste everyone else's time Call each other [/quote]

Let's start this from the top!

Commend this coach for proving who wrong ?
Is it DS or JS ?

Now let's give real credit when credit is due !

I like to Commend JS for all his success in both men , womens , and youth lacrosse
And most importantly not getting involved with this knuckle head girls program. Some hate him and some love him , he's not out there for a popularity contest. He is the example of dedication and results .

There's only one person from Rocky Point who proved people wrong ,and guess what it's not boot camp mikey.


quote=Anonymous]Like to Commend the Lady Eagles Town Team from Rocky Point on their success this past season wrapping it up with a 2nd year Lake Placid victory. Their Coach who is a volunteer has put numerous amounts of time and effort to showing positive results on both his Varsity and Middle School level teams , where others couldn't care less about the program he has proved them wrong. There is greater things ahead for this group of girls and for this coach. [/quote]

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Joe is a proven winner, Dan is a gentleman who teaches the right way. Boot Camp Mikey is, and always will be a "Daddy Coach".
It is one thing to come on here to congratulate a group of girls, but your little hit and dig on Dan and Joe, as well as showing Boot Camp Mikey's real ambitions started this whole thing and embarrassed RP. Having the JV coach continually undermine the varsity coach and the program, outright saying he will take over Dan's job and bring a State Championship to RP is embarrassing. Hopefully the AD and Board see this crap and stop it.

I know Joe and Dan Spallina. Very different styles of coaching. Both know more about lax than most top lax athletes. They both come from a family that eats and sleeps sports. It would be very hard to find anyone on this planet that knows more about lax than these two and the other Spallinas. I'm so glad that my kid is no longer playing in this environment. I had to sit for YEARS and be tortured by Sanchez coaching from the stands. Yelling at every player. As if my ultracompetitive daughter didn't know better to play harder that she needed extra coaching from the stands. Btw, my daughter went on to play college ball. From what I've been told, his HS team is comprised of travel lax kids with parents that throw boat loads of money into private trainers. And that his younger teams have very few travel lax kids and these teams don't win any games. If he's such a genius coach then why aren't the younger teams winning? He uses his HS team to fool younger parents into thinking that he's such a great coach. If Joe and Dan want nothing to do with him and these guys are experts then what does this say about Sanchez?

I coached against said coach for years in the youth program. One summer league game, he accused me of stacking my team with older kids. We had one older kid that we grabbed from another team because we didn't have enough players. It's summer league. Who cares?? His passion is so misplaced. Things got ugly quickly. I'm thankful this coach doesn't live in my town. Plus, our program director wouldn't put with this sort of behavior.

I have coached against the 2018 Rocky Point team, the Lady Eagle team and this coach for many years, in leagues and tournaments. Decent team with some good players, but the teams were nothing special. I would note that nearly every single game I walked away saying to myself that I would never let my daughter play for the guy, the sideline antics are just way out of control. To each their own, guess some people may like that in a coach???

Hey Hop, it looks like Rocky Point needs their own thread!

Any of the RP contributors can start their own thread. Probably a good idea considering what we all have witnessed.

We need a therapist HOP!!

Are there a high percentage of 2018 players committed ?

Define high percentage. I would say at the top 20 programs, many have filled 1-4 spots. I have direct knowledge of 4 schools and with those the numbers are 4, 3, 2, and 2 as of 2 weeks ago. Those same schools have offers outstanding to several others already. My impression is schools outside the top programs are a little slower in committing?

Maybe someone else has firmer numbers. It seems to have sped up pretty meaningfully again this year.

Seems to be 2019 commits as well! The 2018 class is very talented

No 2019 has committed on the girls side, at least not publicly.

They have not committed in secret either,lol. Many schools are not even done with their 2017 class yet and no school is done with their 2018 class yet. You will see a few 2019 go this fall but not many and will not be the top kids as those top kids will have many offers and a lot to consider.

Agree, I don’t think you will see too many 2019’s committing this fall.

The “Top Players” are very fortunate in that they are afforded the opportunity to choose the school they would like to attend. There are maybe 15 to 20 players of that caliber. For the most part all of the top schools will be recruiting those players. The question for them is: did all of the coaches have a chance to watch them play this summer? Will all of the coaches have a chance to watch them play this fall? If a top 2019 player wants to go to Stanford but the Stanford coach has not watched her play then the player will have to wait and not commit. However,
if the girl has offers from Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan, Northwestern, Maryland, USC, Hopkins, Penn and Yale and the girl (and her family) really want to attend Penn or Maryland she will commit. There is no point in waiting if one of the schools offering is a great all around fit for the student athlete. The top schools consistently identify, recruit and commit the top players. After the top 20 or so girls commit the pace will pick up for all of the other strong players. The process will continue into the girls rising junior and even senior year for some. There are a lot of great opportunities out there it just takes a little longer for some to find the right fit.

After the fall recruiting tournaments and (Winter - Duke & UNC Camps) the top 2019’s will have a lot to think about.

Good luck to all.

Don't forget SWR. Used to be one of the best programs in the state. 5 titles. Now they are just horrendous. A new AD that seems to care less and is not engaged, and a terrible coach. No plays, players in wrong positions, and all politics. It's a shame what happened to this program. You can lump SWR in with RP and MP.

SWR and RP, not sure about MP, and many other towns are plagued by dads that take credit for their child's talents. They think that since they played in HS and or watched from sidelines and experienced the successes of their child's top team that somehow they too were transformed into lax experts that know more than experienced coaches that played at high levels. I don't know Sanchex. But, I know his daughter is a good plAyer and plays on a top team. From what I've heard about him and what I've read here, he's a classic case of a dad that thinks he knows it all. I just hope his daughter makes it out of all this unscathed. I'm sure he loves his daughter, but he might be doing her more harm than good. He and others like him should leave it to the professionals.

MP was actually blessed with a husband and wife who got the girls program going 10 or so years ago and put lots of time and effort into building the youth program. Our issue was that we had horrible coaching in the high school and could not win even though we had a lot of talent. I heard that the aforementioned Mr S put in for the vacant MP job and so did a coach from one of the big clubs who now lives in the district and has girls who play. Either one is a big improvement

Rp dad going over to MP to coach will not happen ,He has a personal mission to accomplish!!

And who in the SWR and RP (besides Mr Sanchez) programs fit the description you described? What have they done to make you form that opinion?

No response from original poster? Don't be a little flower...lol

I guess the original poster fled the scene. Seems to have been discovered and crawled back into his cave.

Anyone have a reliable estimate of how many 2018 TG girls left the program this year?

2019 topic, didn't see any threads. What should we expect from a travel club regarding 2019 Girls. I'm pretty tuned into the boys side but my daughters team is a very good team from PA and it doesn't seem that her club is doing anything regarding exposure and college guidance. Does it just start later for girls? What are the best showcase events. Team or individual?

All the top clubs in me at 2019 are working on schools already.

You have asked same question on multiple threads Troll....be gone little man with your micro manhood.

16 hours to come up with that lame come back? This is the only thread I have asked this question, D-bag.

TG is scrambling to fill out the purple and white rosters with so many girls saying no and going to other programs.

Yes they are having issues with 2018 Purple and white team. That age groups program is sinking real fast. BS and SS can't stop it most of the talent is gone.

You must be new to club sports.it's all about who you know and how deep is your pockets

That's because they have had enough of the BS. Neither team has gotten any better in 3 years. Coaches play everyone equal regardless of skill level. Girls can miss practices and it doesn't affect playing time. Neither team plays to win at the end of games. Girls are tired of watching other players get promoted or demoted based on whether they can force themselves to the net. Ball hogs are encouraged and team players are considered weak.

and you think Elevate or YJ operate any differently when it comes to "ball hogs forcing their way to the net'?..its a sad state when most/all programs--boys & girls--reward the kid who continually goes to the cage without regard for the teammates...parents on sidelines know but the coaches overlook it..

Thanks for the honest answer. Your daughter definitely played purple because that describes bs opinion on that team completely. He seem consumed by the same parents following him around but I do think the coach tried to promote team play and didn't think the team players were weaker. But they dropped that coach........another request from the parents following him around

Why is it that most of the top players have left TG for other programs but none of the other top players have left their program to come to TG? Very interesting.

Heeeeeeeesss back. Be gone troll

Sad, but true

Not a troll, just an aggravated parent. D-bag

I assume you are talking about 2018 purple and white since black basically stayed the same the last two years after they lost some girls three years ago. The only folks who know who is staying or who is going are BS and SS. I don't think they have the leverage they had a couple of years ago when the down payment was due by now and if you didn't pay, you weren't playing for them. Now girls will tryout with other teams to see what is available.
There are enough 2018 teams, both big and small, that still have tryouts over the next few weekends.
You have to be astonished by the YJ because they don't care, if you want to play for them come to tryouts in October and they'll get you on a team! Better yet is their younger age groups...they don't have tryouts until December.

Same thing as 2017s, Elevate will have the pick of yhe litter this weekend

so the purple and white players will be playing on these teams top teams????? If not.......then leaving means nothing. This is a stupid argument

Is it true a bunch of 2018 Elevate girls went to TG purple? I think they were on the B Elevate 2018 team? Anyone else hear that?

So 2017's are leaving with one summer left to play? What took you so long to leave. The Elevate 2017 top team is pretty good so I doubt you will see much movement there...have fun, see you later

agreed! Black will still have the 2nd best 2018 team on LI and none of the purple/white girls looking to leave will make the YJ team 1 or team 2 (maybe, really a longshot for team 2 and only the best one or two) They would be better off trying Elevate if they want a big club or going for a better small club such as Wave or Title 9.

I don't know...you tell us Dave

LI Express is another good option. My daughter played on the 2018 team last year after several years on a different team and loved it.

Cmon'...Dave would never come on here and pretend post....right Dave?

Which club did she leave and which level team was she on at the prior club?

Depending on the club 2017s have Fall ball tournaments and next summer. As far as what took so long to leave- it's certainly not too late to get recruited and take advantage of better opportunities. Good luck to all

I think they are talking the club as a whole and over the last few years in general. There have been many of the best black players leaving especially last year. This year has many rumored leaving as well. Last year almost all the younger teams had some of the best players walk.

but not for 2018 black and if you look, this is a 2018 forum

dude...you spout out this nonsense on every age group. Give us your FACTS about who is leaving. The same girls have been on many of the teams for years. How about you give us a number.....ok..even an estimate. We know facts don't mean anything to you but give it a try

Yes, even for 2018 it is a one way street, have you seen the YJ 2018 rosters?

Why not leave haven't seen any big name school's watching these kid's play as was promise by TG. Most of these kids did it on there own with parents help by attending clinic's at the schools they want to attend.

And look at the only top teams TG have is 2018 black and 2019 black.why it because they are coached by SS and the brother.outside of that the coaches are world class as they state lmao.Remember if you have good coaching any kid would improve

Stop it! We are not talking about purple or white. Of the 5 girls that left black after 2013, 4 went to YJ and one went to T9. Of the 4 that went to YJ, 2 were on the A team and 2 were on the B team and for the U15, all four were on the A team that won nationals. No one left after 2014 and no one will leave this year. I understand they are losing girls in other age groups, but this is what happened to the 2018 team.

You want numbers well here you go... 5 purple girls were moved to white. 3 of which declined and left. 5 others left the program completely. 5 white girls were moved to purple. 4 others left the program as well.

You're all ridiculous! What are you keeping a scorecard on a bunch of 15 year old girls? Creepy. Get a life or a hobby or a job so you don't have so much free time on your hands.

What is going on with 2019? Many TG and YJ and Elevate girls at Liberty tryouts last weekend. Will the top girls jump ship? Why?

thats how it works... it's up tp the kid, and the parents to make the connections, attend clics, decide which "school" is the best fit for thier kid..not the club.
I wouldn't want Bill S. or Carol R. or Dave K. deciding which college is the best for my daughter??

Thanks Dave for those words of wisdom

Any time!

if you need help getting into UNC, let me know

And yet, you're on this website too.

Soo sad got these poor girls whose organization is crumbling right in front of them. They will get minimum exposure with such a bad reputation.

Left Elevate and went to Express.

I think you mean left {****] and went to Express

In our District who has made some headlines a few post earlier , Our Dictator lax guru is making it basically mandatory or be excluded that everyone tries out for YJ as his mission to make him look good all around in town and travel continues. Several girls ranging from 10th down to 6th play for TG that's an impact alone.

Please whoever is writing that 2018 black is the number 2 team on Long Island please please please show proof who thinks that besides you. Show me stats something because I think you are delusional quite honestly. A majority of their commits are HOfstra. Maybe a few years ago but not now buddy sorry for the bad news.

Who is better

not the poster saying they are the 2nd best team but based on results from this past summer it is hard to argue

Two to Princeton, not too shabby. Didn't even know Princeton would accept a 2018 commit at this point.

again...who is better

It's YJ than TG followed by everyone else. Liberty black and Elevate blue aren't even close to those two. Express, L.I. Wave, team 91, fl$ and Title 9 can't be mentioned in the same breath.

I would even say at all of 2018, TG Black is in the top 5 - 7. YJ, M&D, Skywalkers are three teams that are better, but after those three the others are tough to rank because they have won/lost to each other at times (TG, TLC, Hero's, Capital). IMHO

Even on a day like this (9/11) you have to act like a tool. Take a breath, go hug your daughter, thank Hod you are alive to be able to post this - then realize there are bigger things in life.

Case and point. Where are the FACTS!!! You are so off base. First of all all of the others you mentioned can stand up to TG BLACK. Please stop your embarrassing yourself. The only team that is in a different ball park is YJ.

Trying to remain completely objective, I would say that was about the most accurate and fair assessment I have read.

The original post was about the long Island teams but that is a fair assessment

OK Dad....you guys are both nuts. Remember score 11-3 what happened to those Princeton commits...they both had goose eggs and put nothing in the net.

you are forgetting STEPS who beat Skywalkers and TLC this summer but also lost to each once. STEPS lost to YJs Rose by 1 at G8 as well - a tournament Top Guns was not at

If you don't think TG black is the 2nd best team on the island then who is better? Elevate blue? No. Title 9? No. L.i. Wave? No. Liberty black? No. Express? No. fl$ and Team 91 can't beat the white team. Did I miss anyone?

Who gets more attention: Top Guns on this site or Donald Trump on CNN? Interesting how so many haters out there keep casting stones. Just worry about your own programs. Look at the tournament results as all of the scores are posted if you want to know which teams won or lost.

Steps is a good team as well...rigt in the mix. I know TG Black beat them 2 summers ago..

Do you think TG will ever be invited to play in a YJ run tournament? No chance. It's not out of fear, it's out of hatred between both directors

LONG ISLAND TEAMS!!!!!!!! and, like previously posted TG black is a beatable team by ALL the teams you mentioned Elevate Blue Yes, Title 9 YES, express, 91 and all others !!! TG is a ten of the past bye now!!

Elevate blue gets put into A brackets at tournaments, all others get put into B brackets at tournaments. If the others were so good, why are they playing down? You're out of your mind!

Elevate blue gets put into A brackets at tournaments, all others get put into B brackets at tournaments. If the others were so good, why are they playing down? You're out of your mind! [/quote]

In some tournaments, don't the B brackets have to win an extra-game before moving along? A bracket is harder, but the extra game can wear a team out as well.

Elevate tryouts on Saturday parents were told no white team which was great-but on Sunday suddenly there is a "combo 17/18" team?? Basically that means nobody will be cut from tryouts and anyone who played on Elevate white last year will have a roster spot.

ka-ching, ka-ching....

So they should not take care of players that have been part of the program and just cut them? Or should they try to make sure their is an opportunity for them?

Not there cause she would invite them..

yeah, cause that's what DK is all about--opportunity, not the almighty $$...he's just so altruistic...

Let's just hope there is movement on the two teams and not the same teams that have been stagnant year to year. DK needs to let go of the faf connection.

That was a joke - right?

Any player on a 3rd or 4th team ( or combo etc) needs to be realistic about talent. Some girls have been on the third team in more than one club. And while it's sweet that the girl enjoys the sport the parent needs to stop the bitter blaming. There is a club for any girl that wants to play, and playing keeps them busy.

I am definitely not a fan of combo teams, especially a 2017/2018 combo where those are the next two years for college recruiting (except for the D1 studettes who were already recruited) but I'm sure it's hard to leave money on the table and it they don't take them, someone else will. I am not familiar with TE but if you read their material, it does seem they try to get girls who want to play in college the opportunity.

Club Lacrosse is a mighty expensive sport to play for someone who enjoys the sport and is not looking to play down the line but then again and as with most sports, you can play school and travel, and travel is not cheap.

tongue planted firmly in cheek,
I assure you...

Anyone hear from Elevate yet? They said Tuesday, just wondering if my daughter made it. She can't remember if they said you get an email either way. Thank you

Everyone will make it, if not the 18 team blue or red - like somebody said before - they will be on the combo 17/18 team (see prior discussion on that). Not to worry, DK will take your check so you are all good.

They must be going out today b/c my daughters friend got a call - being moved down - guess they called to make sure they would take the spot. They thought it was odd they called and asked if they would take the spot - they said yes - as they were taken by surprise but told me they will look elsewhere. Moving down on Elevate is a big drop from Blue to Red. Elevate blue only gets a few looks from colleges - looks on that red team are non existent. Guess they called as they want to know how much $$ they have coming in. I would be shocked if people fall for the combo team - those never go well.

So false. Several red players went on college visits so far and a majority of blue have. I know for a fact that a few blue girls were given offers already because my daughter is on the team and everyone is very open about the recruiting process.

Email went out, a lot of white girls moved to red, and 17s took TG girls

Very true - my daughter was on red last year - she had fun but we had very few college coaches at most of our games with the exception of one tournament. We opted to leave Elevate this year and my daughter made the top team on another club.

Very hard to get on Elevate blue at this point. Filled with a few good players then a lot of F&F. Daughter wasn't really "in" with the F&F on blue so not sure she would have been happy there anyway. My guess is you will see very little movement from red to blue this year 1 maybe 2 players at most and then they will drop a bunch of blue and take a few new kids from the outside (new to elevate). I think people on red have realized that there is little if any chance that they will get moved at this point. Also. with the low roster numbers they promise - 22 including the goalies - (20 field players - which is a good thing by the way and they did keep that promise last year) its hard to add people to a small roster. Once you go from blue to red, I have never seen anyone go back to blue after that so most girls end up leaving. Good luck to all the girls wherever they end up - go some place you will have fun.

So the old red team is filled with white girls. Was there a lot of movement in blue? If that's the case - the blues that got pushed to red won't stay if it has a lot of white players on it - most likely the top red kids won't stay either. Those combo teams don't work out - I am sure the TG girls won't take the spot. Why didn't they put the top 2018 kids with the 17s and then make a soso team with the leftover 2018s? This doesn't sound good for this age group - looks like TG will get some kids back

what are some options for these girls who got the shaft from Elevate? would it be better to just not resign with them and then do all your camps at the schools you are interested in attending. I mean especially if they will not have the same experiences as the top team.

That is a good option. Spending money on those camps are a great way to get noticed. Also, doing local clinics to stay on top of your game while working with a trainer to stay in shape. There are still other clubs that have tryouts this year - express, YJ, Icon, etc all viable options as well. There are certainly other ways to spend your money if you don't take that Elevate spot, especially in this age group that would be a better investment in your child.

Unfortunately, they join a long list of other "good kids from good families" who have gotten the Elevate shaft over the years. Why not join a smaller club's team where your daughter will be valued? Icon, etc.

Speaking of "sketchy" I just hung up with a friend who was on Elevate 2018 last year. They said they have NO goalies listed on their roster.......odd to say the least. Gets better, they said while their invite email included the roster, a friend of theirs made what they believe is the 17/18 combined team and they did NOT get a roster, just an email saying congrats welcome to the club. They asked me what I thought of that and I said I have no clue. We have been around lacrosse for a while and have always received a full roster with a goalie.

Can anyone shed any light on this for them? I just told them they should really find out who is taking a position on their team BEFORE they pay. Any help here is appreciated.

To that I say, Caveat emptor.

Icon. Don't be serious. Awful 2020 team and PM just like every other club owner

I think the options would be to go to tryouts at Icon, Title 9, and Express. Not sure about other tryouts that have not taken place. I am sure they would have a spot here or there for one or two kids, cant hurt to call them as I believe their tryouts have passed. They only have one team in this age groups so stability would not be an issue.

Elevate charging $2400 now?...is that true?....don't, under any circumstance play for ANY WHITE team or COMBINED team--anywhere!..strictly a money grab and all it does is pad the already cushy lifestyle of a director..

It's for the Fall and Summer - 9 recruiting tournaments. Figure out the price of all the other programs for 9 recruiting tournaments and see what they charge.

All three teams you mentioned have tryouts for 2018 coming up over the next two weekends. It just depends where you live and where you want to travel for practice. You may have played some of these teams last year with your daughters previous club. This would give the your daughter the chance to attend three tryouts in two weeks before committing to something you are not sure about.

elevate red does not see college recruits??

Most second teams (aside from second YJ blue team) don't see too much in the way of recruiting by colleges.

$2400 is steep - even for including fall tournaments. Better to pay separately for these tournaments especially at the ages where many of these kids play other varsity sports and can't always attend. Then you can pick and chose which fall tourneys you pay which is what most clubs offer.

Had a daughter on there last year. We saw some, not a lot of coaches at games last year. I think it had to do with a few things. One, not many of the girls wrote to coaches on that team, some did, but not many. That is a little bit of a driver in getting coaches there. They were encouraged to but many did not. Another reason, they are a 2nd team in that age group, have much less interest from college coaches, just the nature of how things go, colleges focus first on top teams, no question. Another reason elevate red got little interest from college coaches was because the blue team rarely played top teams. That means the red teams were playing even lower level teams as a result. When you are playing much lower level teams, there is less interest. I think the fact that there are a lot of girls moving from white to red based on the new roster for this year, I would doubt a lot of the white girls will be getting a lot of traction from college coaches so again, I think that will still be an issue with this team. Don't ask the club or anyone representing the club, they are selling you on this as a way to join. Ask around, ask people on the team from last year, you are making a big investment in money and more importantly time. We are trying out for other clubs and want to get on a top team in any other club, you will get more exposure there. Still doing some more tryouts. I spent a good deal of time looking into this. Hope this helps. Good luck to your daughter.

How can you play in tournaments if you are not on a team? If they decide to Not rejoin, the. How do you see college coaches?

You all seem to be missing the point. If you are a B/C level player and leave to go to a top team in another club, that just means you are going to a club whose top team is a B/C caliber team. Your talent (or lack thereof) has not changed because you are now playing in another zip code. Coaches know that and you will have the same amount of sideline action as if you had stayed at the original club. Play where your daughter will be happy, be proactive about your recruiting; it is your process, not the club's, and be gracious when others are on a higher team. Not everyone can be an A player. And thats fine. There are many colleges looking for the B level player too. If your daughter is an appropriate level player for their school and you are reaching out to them, she will get seen, regardless of club or team.

wow you must be one of the coaches to have all that info?

Had a daughter on there last year. We saw some, not a lot of coaches at games last year. I think it had to do with a few things. One, not many of the girls wrote to coaches on that team, some did, but not many. That is a little bit of a driver in getting coaches there. They were encouraged to but many did not. Another reason, they are a 2nd team in that age group, have much less interest from college coaches, just the nature of how things go, colleges focus first on top teams, no question. Another reason elevate red got little interest from college coaches was because the blue team rarely played top teams. That means the red teams were playing even lower level teams as a result. When you are playing much lower level teams, there is less interest. I think the fact that there are a lot of girls moving from white to red based on the new roster for this year, I would doubt a lot of the white girls will be getting a lot of traction from college coaches so again, I think that will still be an issue with this team. Don't ask the club or anyone representing the club, they are selling you on this as a way to join. Ask around, ask people on the team from last year, you are making a big investment in money and more importantly time. We are trying out for other clubs and want to get on a top team in any other club, you will get more exposure there. Still doing some more tryouts. I spent a good deal of time looking into this. Hope this helps. Good luck to your daughter.


Good advice ! Thank you!

In the first post above, the poster is correct that you need to let coaches know where and when you are playing. The recruiting tournaments list what coaches are attending and you need to reach out to them. Also, if you are in a tournament near some schools your daughter is interested in, reach out to those coaches even if they are not on the list of attendees because they might just come to see you based on your interest in them.
The second post above also hits on a good point where you need to be realistic. Most high D1 schools already have 2018 recruits. Maybe they will need a person if someone backs out etc.. but if your daughter was a D1 talent, you would be telling me how it works. There is a college match for most every girl who wants to play lax and if your daughter has good grades and is a good (notice I didn't say great) lax player, the D3 schools will find scholarship money for academics.

We already visited about 15 campuses last lax tourney season and my daughter ruled out urban campuses. The other thing we heard was to look at a schools lax roster and see if they have LI girls playing as there are some schools that shy away from LI girls and even if your daughter goes there, she may be miserable.

Did anyone ever figure out what the email situation was with this - some with rosters, some without? DO people know if people are taking spots on the red/white team? Friend is still debating but leaning for going to other tryouts first, You think that there will be a spot available on this team down the road if they decline and change their mind at a later date?

Looks like the red team is actually a red/white team

oh, just go ahead and write the check...

Does TE give you the roster when they make you the offer? That doesn't make sense to me because even if they sent you a roster with the offer, the roster would only show the girls they are asking for that team; it doesn't mean they are on that team as they can decline etc... I looked at placement letters over the years for my daughters from multiple clubs (not TE and yes I have a lax folder on email for this) and they do not show a roster or girls when they make the offer.

As for the second question, I would wait as long as possible, especially if you are attending other tryouts before sending in the money. If your daughter is happy to be on RED, then pay now but if the offer was for the combo team, hold off. If it were my daughter in the situation, I would even take the third team from the club that has their tryouts last (hint! over the combo team). We know some of the girls on that team and they are good players but like a lot of teams, the bottom of their roster is weak. Go to the tryouts the next two weekends for the three teams mentioned previously. IMHO, Express is good, T9 is very good, and I don't know about ICON. It'll only cost you the tryout fees and your daughter can look at it as getting a workout! Good luck!

Beach Bums tryouts this weekend as well

It is not a Red / White Team, just ask the Coaches

So there are a lot of options left - tryouts for icon, YJ, beach bums , title 9, Suffolk stars, all still taking place? Any others?

Express tryouts are Sept 27th.

Other clubs who already have had tryouts may still be looking for 2018 players. Legacy may need players. Long Island Wave does not even have tryouts. They may need players. Parents should not be pressured into committing to any Club that they do not feel right about before exploring all the options. Those can either be trying out for the clubs still having them or contacting Clubs that have already had them. Clubs that legitimately care should not pressure. If they do then shame on them whoever they are.

There were very few 2018 Red Elevate girls at practice this weekend. How and when will we know if they actually have enough girls to field a red team? You don't notice how few girls are there when they practice with the blue team. At what point is it acceptable to ask the club what the situation is so I know if we need to move on? I don't want to sound overly concerned as we were told all the girls had conflicts and prior commitments but I am a little concerned?

There were very few 2018 Red Elevate girls at practice this weekend. How and when will we know if they actually have enough girls to field a red team? You don't notice how few girls are there when they practice with the blue team. At what point is it acceptable to ask the club what the situation is so I know if we need to move on? I don't want to sound overly concerned as we were told all the girls had conflicts and prior commitments but I am a little concerned?


DON'T WAIT… ASK RIGHT AWAY IF THE CLUB HAS ENOUGH TO FIELD THE TEAM YOUR DAUGHTER IS ON… BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE TO FIND ANOTHER CLUB. IF ELEVATE IS WHAT THEY SAY, ALL ABOUT THE GIRLS, THEN THEY SHOULD BE HONEST WITH YOU ABOUT THE TEAMS ROSTER.

Not sure I would ask the elevate director but I think you can ask your daughters coach.

Lets be real people, Elevate is not going to tell you if the don't have enough kids? They will string you along, have you play with other 2018 teams, have you play with the 2017's, etc. as they try and drum up enough kids to get a team. I agree, I would ask the coach for a roster of the kids that are on the team, the kids that have actually signed up. The only way you will know is if they have a 2018 red practice and my guess is, you will not see that happen anytime soon. I agree with the above though, you paid your money, and a lot of it, ask the question as you have the right to know.

Cause Dave will always tell the truth.....such a mensch...

Red has plenty of players... And the smaller the team the Better the players turn out. Imo

Here is a serious question. My daughter receives about 10 emails a day for either 4 on 4, 5 on 5 or 7 on 7 tournaments from numerous schools. Are they interested in my daughter or is it just a cash grab for the programs?

In 98% of the situations it is a cash grab. If they want to see her they may invite her to a clinic or a camp.

Agree with above, its a cash grab, but if your daughter has intrest in that particular school,. its a good place to start. You and her can talk to coaches at a clinic on the campus, they can see her, they can coach her. you can stay for a school tour.. make the most of it..

My experience is that these small-sided tournaments and other prospect days (besides doing them just for fun which many girls do) are valuable or could be valuable as (1) the initial interaction with coaches and a feel for the school in general for a school your child may be interested in early in the process or (2) if the coaches at the school have reached out to your club coaches about your daughter.

With the big fall tournaments about to begin this weekend, do all clubs bring their full teams? Or do they make the committed girls stay home?

How did Elevate 2018 Blue do against YJ Blue today? I am sure YJ won - was it a close game?

Not remotely close.

No, not even close but elevate has a couple of strong aggressive players. Saw one great defensive player and one middie that I cod honestly say we're pretty good.

YJ Blue lost to a TLC "B" team that can't beat anyone in Maryland

YJ Blue is best team on Long Island. Elevate Blue looked like a "C" team vs YJ Blue.
YJ Blue was missing 5 Starters and the score was 13 to 2.

YES - DK got schooled by the Master CR !!

I watched the game and no there is no comparison but there were definitely s couple of elevate players agreed that could have run with YJ. Defender on elevate that was aggressive and really tried to fight back but most threw I'm their towels early on. I tend to think the defender speaking of used to be on YJ she seemed to know a lot of the girls on the YJ tea
Too bad see didn't stay on YJ for her sake.

How did YJ Blue lose to TLC White yesterday? White is TLC's B team. My guess is that the YJ kool-aid drinkers will say it was because they didn't have a full team. But still, as great as they claim they are, I would think a YJ Blue team could beat any B team.

Yes, even without their three best players they should have beaten that team.

Your wrong . My daughter plays on TLC White and its their "A" team. It was a great game. I watched the first half of the YJ Blue vs Elevate Blue, Elevate Blue has a weak slow defense and really no offense.

Who cares everyone? IT IS FALL LACROSSE! Many teams not at full strength in the Fall and it is hard to tell who has full teams and who doesn't. Plus many of the girls are already committed. The summer is more of a real test when all teams are equally playing at full strength. While I admit most teams play to win, the fall is mostly about recruiting for those not committed.

ooh your wrong. Who says that!!! Please act your age. I watched the TLC game against yj and their no big shakes. TLC not great to me. No camparison. YJ is by by far a much more talented team in all aspects of the game!!!!!

I'm not so sure about this. Me thinks you're wrong (see what I did there with the correct spelling?). Sounds like a YJ parent trying to make it seem like they lost to an A team. And, why would they watch and then comment on an Elevate/YJ game and emphasize the poor Elevate play? I live in MD and my daughter used to play against TLC all the time and for as long as I can remember TLC Red has been their A team and White has been the B team. I could be wrong.

I am curious why people in Maryland and NJ (maybe even Long Island) don't realize/believe/admit that these Fall YJ teams are not the real teams. They are first come/first serve sign ups, they don't practice, and don't have the usual coach. This is the case for all age groups. Why is this so hard to grasp?

This is true. For some reason, at the 2018 age, TLC's white team is superior to their red team. Go and look at any of the results. TLC White has beaten Red on most occasions at 2018

Have ya ever noticed that when YJ loses or barely wins they always have an excuse? They can never admit that sometimes they were beat by the better team that day. Besides...who cares? Win 'em all or lose 'em all, nobody outside of YJ cares. Any good player on any good club can play in college if she wants to. D1,2 or 3 is irrelevant.
With YJ saying that their teams aren't full strength for the fall, I was wondering if that same excuse can be used by other teams? My guess is that there are other clubs who aren't at full summer strength in the fall (girls in field hockey, soccer). And, for almost all teams there is minimal practices during the fall. And, if TLC White is the A team at the 2018 age group (why? I don't know), YJ shoulda still beat them since they're so good. Am I wrong?

Maybe because the people in MD and NJ (maybe even Long Island) aren't used to a money grabbing system. Maybe they're used to a club that likes to have all of their players play together as much as possible, since that is what they payed for.

Well, maybe these people in Maryland and New Jersey have their usual teams and do not fall for the "mixed teams" scam that some clubs pull on their parents. In Maryland, speaking for the club teams I know - they will either play in a tournament with their "real roster" or they will not play. Most parents are not into the idea of paying all that money for a "mixed or cobbled" team. That's why it's so hard to grasp - that people will pay full price for an inferior product - think about it.

Yep, you're wrong. Fall lax is like NFL preseason games. Has little meaning. Except it does give MD/NJ clubs something to brag about until Summer time when they get their reality check. Enjoy your Fall wins and close games!!

I think it's because people in Maryland have choices and they don't have to accept that money grabby BS. There are other clubs people can go to if someone tries that crap. The tone the poster had about other being ignorant of what they consider as normal is so humorous. Ignorance is definitely bliss or the Koolaid must be spiked...

Strange that so many college coaches attend the games and actually commit players after watching the Fall events.

All that money? YJ Fall fees are per tournament. Parents paying $65 per tourney.

Which reality check are you referring to? Other than 2020, what YJ team spent the summer giving our reality checks to MD teams? Considering YJ basically has a monopoly on all the talent on LI, you would think they should always win when there are so many choices in MD and the talent is more spread out.

College coaches recruit players, not teams.

I am curious why people in YJ and YJ (maybe even YJ) don't realize/believe/admit that these Fall YJ teams are nothing more than a money-grab scam implored by the YJ Illuminati to get even more money from unsuspecting parents. These teams are first come/first serve sign ups, they don't practice, and don't have the usual coach. People in MD and NJ want to know why anyone in their right mind would want to be a part of something like this. People in MD and NJ want to know why YJ Parent is paying top dollar for a part-time team? When they win a game the parents are so arrogant it's painful and when they lose, this is the excuse they give. Why is this so hard for YJ Parent to grasp? Oh wait...YelloJello flavored kool-aid. Oooh yeeeaaaahhh!

How did TG do at their two tournaments this weekend?

And they see those players at Fall events

They did well thanks for asking.

Yes, all that money. Unless you found a way from LI to MD without paying tolls and have the battery range on your electric car to avoid paying for gas. And of course you probably have family MD where you could stay and void paying for hotels and food. Do the math - full price. And please don't even try to arouse laughter by talking about these "team discount rates" at the hotel...
The Better Business Bureau of MD thank y'all for your visits and money for these "non-real tournaments".

The parents have a choice - don't pay !
Everyone complains but ends up giving the clubs money.
The clubs know the game - its a money game !
Some kids get into great schools. What is the percentage ?
Be real - Is my kid a top D1 player ?
Everyone knows the answer - some people feel they can throw money at the clubs and that will help. All the clubs are the same - don't fool yourself.
It helps the clubs get richer !!!

Okay - the cost per tournament for the parents is not that crazy and is on par with what the MD families pay. But, it's the travel that will kill you. It's been what, three weekends in a row that LI clubs have had to make the run down the turnpike.
Someone has said that coaches do not recruit teams, they recruit players. With all the players on LI - why isn't there a fall tournament or two on the island? The coaches that want to recruit the players will come.

My friend sent me an email that Elevate sent out that they are looking for 2018 girls? Do they not have enough players? Is this for their red team? What's the deal?

The majority of the tournaments our girls play in are run by program directors of other travel clubs. The travel clubs from Long Island have no interest in running a big time tournament because it's a lot of work for the money they make. They would rather pay to play somewhere else and rack in the profit of charging their players to play in it. The big L.I. programs run their own rinky dink tournaments at the end of the summer just for a last cash grab. As an example, just look at the two farce tournaments run by both YJ and TG in July.

Neither 2018 blue or red had a good weekend. Red barely had enough girls to field a team and blue got schooled by YJ. DK isn't stupid. He knows he needs help with that age group.

Red is the remains of white team girls who did not make any other organization team. There was a previous post about parents who are not accepting their daughters limitstions by this age-this team is a classic example. Poor defense just carried over, they don't slide and can't clear the ball.

You couldn't be further from the truth unless you have the roster, and you and I both know you do not have the roster.

Yeah, I'm surprised they have not figured out the double cash stream that the directors of other clubs are tapping into. They are making money off their own club's players and from the players on other clubs that sign on to the tournaments. Plus, they are getting a skim off the hotels. Those club directors are in a win-win situation.

Elevate 2018 Red had 7 girls this weekend and played 7v7 and the 2017 Red team (2017/18) combined team had 9 girls this weekend. I know one club was really mad that they couldn't play their full team and girls had to sit since Elevate couldn't field a full team. Its not only not fair to the Elevate girls but it is also not fair to the teams that they play against. These are recruiting tournaments and the kids want playing time. When you show up with 7 kids, it impacts everyone involved.

while not a great fan of DK and Elevate by any means, it is a very common occurrence to have Fall Tournament teams run very short in any programs, so that's nothing new..but to send 7/8/9/10 players really is a farce...if it ever was in doubt that the $$ grab is in play, sending such low #'s to a Fall tournament is the killer

TE also has Blue and Red entered in Lax for the cure this weekend. No YJ or TG teams this weekend; the only other LI teams are Beach Bums and Team 91. Beach Bums have some talent but not enough girls so they combined with girls from another team who were looking to play. Since BB is owned by Team 91, why didn't they combine with them as the T91 team from the summer was not that good. I know the answer is about money but one would think it would help the owner to field one better team. I would imagine BB will beat T91 bad; especially with the girls they added.

Terrible day for TG in NJ. I didn't know they had two whites teams.

Club 3-13-2 so far in NJ with three games left to play today OUCH, and NO Maryland teams are even at the tournament
Can TG even compete with B level clubs anymore? That sucking sound that you hear is people heading for the exits

Actially 5-12-2 right now but just as pathetic. 2018s yesterday wouldn't have beaten Team 91 or Togz with the way they played.

That's ridiculous and totally on the parents. They should have said, no thank you. I'll spend that money somewhere else instead of the gas, tolls, food and hotels. Just for a club to think that was okay to do is beyond comprehension.

Looks like 5-14-2 for the weekend

Top Guns was at its best yesturday..

umm...the commits are not playing...these are a mix of girls that want to play fall tournaments.

Girls were told it was a good idea to play in these tournaments because they were heavily recruited events. BS made these teams himself out of what was left of non committed black players, combined with purple and white players. There were only 2 practices for these teams. Teams were unbalanced. Many girls playing out of position. Now put them against full teams with all girls playing and you get what happened yesterday. 0-5-1 for TG 2018 was disgusting. Recruiters were walking away shaking their heads.

I think you are blaming the wrong people here. Elevate is the one "portraying" to the parents that they have a full 2nd team in the 2018 age group. The parents have yet to see a roster. Elevate has al of the 2018s (red and blue teams) practice together that way nobody knows who is on what team. The red team probably has 10 girls, at best, and no goalie. Both teams are scheduled to go to Florida, there is no way they can field a 2nd 2018 team in that tournament. I think if they can make it through the fall, they will try desperately to pick up some more girls for the summer and hopefully get a full 2nd 2018 team. The same situation exists with their 2nd 2017 team. Of course the club this its ok, after all, its all about the kid$$$$$$$$$$!

If my kid was one of the ten kids on the second team I would start calling other clubs to secure her a spot. This is her recruiting year.

if your kid is 1 of the 10 on red she probably doesn't need to worry about recruiting smaller D2 and D3 will be recruiting up to her sr year. Not knocking the kids but its the truth nothing wrong with those divisions. My kid will be playing D2

Unfortunately with the elevate teams some of the red players are better than the blue players they just weren't chosen for blue because on elevate its all about who is friends with Dave I feel bad for the red girls they deserve better

Wrong! 3 girls on 17 purple committed played as well as 4 on black. Listening to parents tap on the sideline was enjoyable-"if my daughter is not committed after Florida I'm not going to another team" and the new parents expression when they saw the aweful play against weak teams was priceless. As Bill always says: "Don't like it? Leave!" Which is exactly what smarter players did.

There are NO committed girls on purple. Also, there were no committed black players there because they weren't allowed to come. The talk on the sidelines was more along the lines of "why am I paying so much to go to Florida when this team sucks?"

One word to describe top guns play. PAINFUL!! It's never too late to cancel your plans for Florida. In the long run you won't be losing a lot at least you won't lose your integrity.

There are 4 committed girls on purple and 2 were there playing as well as 4 committed girls on black team. The Florida chatter is spot on. Rosters not final because they have not received payments from enough girls for 2 teams.

There are 4 committed girls on purple and 2 were there playing as well as 4 committed girls on black team. The Florida chatter is spot on. Rosters not final because they have not received payments from enough girls for 2 teams. [/quote

Then you are not talking about 2018 girls.

Some roster spots for Florida tourney being filled by 2019 Red players.

They are talking about the 17 age group-which is by far worse than 18. They do not have enough for 2 teams in Florida but the meek parents won't dare say anything. Cha Ching!

Do you mean Elevate? They don't have two teams going to Florida. Or at least not anymore.

Which parents are these? Which team? Maybe, while they are down in FL - I can introduce them to a buddy of mine trying to sell condos in a new development in the Everglades.

Which is the top Top Guns 2018 team - purple or black?

Black but for Florida tournament there are more purple girls on that team then black. Purple team is made up of mostly white players.

2018 Black has something like 15 girls committed. they are not going to Florida. The teams are a combo of remaining Black, some purple and some white. Also remember not everyone goes to Florida as well...expensive trip and missing school.

C level talent playing in A level brackets leads to more problems for these 2 teams.

I think th TG stategy makes sense, why send committed girls to a showcase tourmnament in Florida. take a group of non committed players, put together a team or two and go play in front of coaches..who wins the games? it doesnt matter.. if the other clubs used the same philosophy there wouldn't be C teams playing A teams..

Strategy does make sense but you have to put a balanced team on the field. Both teams going to Florida are short on defense and have too many attackers. Doesn't help the better players when they have to make up for the short comings of players playing out of position.

It is a bad strategy if they get spanked. Not even the talented players look good in an old fashion [lacrosse] kicking. May do more harm than good for the recruitable players.

Don't go then. Stick to the prospect days, 5v5s and clinics of your daughters targeted schools.

Exactly. Recruiters can't tell how good a girl is if her team never has the ball.

Camps, clinics and prospect days etc are by far the best way to do this, although potentially expensive depending on target schools. The only caveat being to make sure that the schools are good matches abilitywise.

I have a question. For your daughters, would u choose the "best" academic school she could get to thru lax, a combo where school is very good and lax is top ten, or go for the ring at a decent but not top top academic school. To put names on them (and they r all great so I'm not putting a judgement on it) let's say she could go to Harvard/Yale or somewhere like Northwestern or somewhere like Syracuse. What do u choose. All great options but each different experience. Thoughts?

Stanford

Only at Ivies do the girls actually get the education promised. Stanford = Northwestern not Yale/Harvard/Princeton. Basket weaving is basket weaving whether it's at Stanford, Northwestern or anywhere else.

Although basket weaving in California is probably nicer than basket weaving in Evanston.

A four year degree is still a four year degree.

yup. but they r not all created equally, even within a great school. And after ur first job, ur undergrad school name means very little. Basket weaving at Stanford is not as good a degree as say engineering at Michigan. Of course Mommy and daddy don't get to brag that their little suzie went to Stanford, but little suzie might have a better career.

LOL. Do you think that most of these parents are looking that far ahead? Career? Yeah. Sure. Laughing.

LOLing (is that a thing?) w you. No I do not.

Three Village! Enough said

How's the weather in Florida? Can someone please posts a status of what the coach turnout looks like.

I'm not even there but I can tell you the weather is nice and all the coaches are there. It's florida and it's a coaches convention....

It is really a simple thought process, we have worked with our children their entire lives. Do your best. Work hard in school so that you will have an opportunity to go to a good college. Work hard in college so that you can get the best job possible in your chosen field. Choose to go to graduate school if you feel that it will help advance your career.

We have taught our children that working hard will give them advantages. One of the advantages is having options. Having the ability to choose your path is a great thing.

Having the option of choosing the University that you would like to attend is a great situation for a high school student to be in. If the student has worked hard in the classroom and on the field and they have been blessed with exceptional athleticism they may be in that situation.

To allow your jealousy to shine through is really quite sad. I hope that you do not permit your petty bitterness to infect your daughter.

Some parents do think far in advance. To the best of their ability they help guide their children. They gather as much information as possible and they due their due diligence during the recruiting process. There is never a "right time" and you will never "know" what the future holds. However when given several great options I think that most 9th and 10th graders in conjunction with their parents can select a school that will be a great fit.

I am sorry that most of the jealous bitter parents and their daughters will not be in such a position. It is unfortunate that "some" of you become jealous and bitter. It is a shame that you try to tear down girls who have worked so hard and have been offered great opportunities. Some of you appear to spend a lot of time worrying about what other people are doing. Stop wishing your ill will upon 9th and 10th grade girls who commit to great schools and go have a catch with your daughter.

One last thing, most of the jealous haters will never get it. You will never understand or "accept" the way this works. You will never be in the position that the top players are in. Parents and kids do not rush to commit, they do not call the coach and say they want to commit. College coaches Identify and then pursue "recruit" and "make offers" to the best players. The best players are recruited by just about all of the top schools. The best players are "offered" spots and scholarships to multiple schools. Most of the Top Lacrosse Schools are also excellent academic institutions. The top players will have the most options. The jealous bitter haters will continue to chase their tail and call the kid who commit early foolish. All the while they will be running around trying to find a fit for their daughter and once they do they will proceed to tell you why XYZ is better school than Duke, Penn, North Carolina or Maryland.

You really are a giant loser , we get it you think your kid is a superstar because they committed early. Good for her but if you do not feel the system is broken and in need of some help you are delusional and are also at odds with about 90 percent of college coaches. My kids are done and the recruiting process was too early for them and has gotten even more so now. I can tell you the early commits were and are not always the best players , some just knew where they wanted to go and got an offer and jumped at it. Talk to a kids teammates about them committing early and you generally get an honest assessment as in "that's crazy what was that school thinking ", or "that makes sense she is a stud".Many of the top kids take a little extra time because they receive many offers and the coaches generally are willing to wait a little longer for a decision. Bashing people because they think having 13-14 year olds make such big decisions is too soon by saying its jealousy just shows you realize maybe your kid is not a top player despite committing early.Again the kids on the team know who the actual top players are so stop fooloing yourself.

There are only a few kids who really know with certainty where they want to go to college at such an early age. I also don't think making that decision has much to do with whether they're the top player in the age group or somewhere in the middle. Choosing a college is a huge decision for an 18 year old senior to make, and it's almost ridiculous for a 14 year old freshman to make. My daughter committed as a junior and is very happy with her choice. She knows 5 or more girls (still in high school) who committed to one school and for whatever reason changed their minds and re-committed to another school. If this early recruiting of girls continues so too will changing schools before they even set foot on campus as a college freshman.

Another hater with the name calling.

If the kid is being recruited by Maryland, North Carolina and Duke I think it is safe to say that it is not the parent who thinks the player is a superstar.

If 90% of the college coaches are against it then tell them to stop doing it.

It is the Top Schools that are the most engaged in the early recruiting process. Those schools do not recruit middle of the road players, if they did they would not remain at the top for very long.

Shame on you for allowing your kids to commit too early. Why didn't you have them wait? When is the right time? If Duke, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Boston College, Georgetown, Princeton, Penn, Virginia, Hopkins and Maryland come calling why should you wait? I think reasonable rational people can make an informed choice. If something changes down the road they can revisit their decision.

I think he/she is bashing people because some people are jealous and bitter and it is displayed on this site, on the sidelines and around town. I think that he/she is calling some people out because (like you) some people think that they know what is best for everyone. If you do not think that the coaches from the Top 10-20 programs in the country can identify talent you may be the one who is delusional. Maybe the coaches should let the kids or better yet the parents do the recruiting.

Every situation is different, live and let live. Worry about your own kid.

The college coaches can stop it any time they want. They don't stop it because they all go after the same kids. The top coaches spot the top players and then they race to recruit them. In my experience it is parents of kids who are not being recruited by the top schools who have the biggest problem with it.

You may also be delusional if: you do not think there is a tremendous amount of jealousy and bitterness harbored by some who believe their daughter is getting overlooked by certain schools.

First off you are calling people jealous etc. then call someone a hater for name calling, I get that you are not very bright but even a simpleton like you must see how silly that makes you seem. You go on to name Duke and yet they are leading the charge against the early recruiting so again its obvious you are ignorant.
Obviously your kid committed early and you are desperate for people to believe that makes her one of the top players in the country when in reality you know people are baffled and laughing at the school for taking her . Sorry it makes you so insecure . If you think 13-14 year olds are emotionally and intellectually old enough to make such decision about their future you are just wrong. These kids are committing prior to completing a semester of high school or taking their SATs but you feel their lacrosse ability at 13 is enough to judge where they should get an education, yeah that sounds reasonable.

I think you are responding to a couple of different people.

Pointing out that someone is jealous or that they are spewing hate on this site or on the sideline is not name calling. It is pointing out a fact.

Duke has been recruiting (watching, evaluating and identifying talent) 9th graders for years. They have not verbally committed any 9th graders as far as I know but they have been out there along with all of the other top programs scoping out players. Colleges coaches have been talking to the top 9th grade prospects at their camps for years, they never had this "public verbal commitment" agreement but many times there was a wink and a nod.

I agree 9th grade is a bit early for most but it should not be my business what others choose to do. If a college coach and a 9th grade player along with her parents want to come to an agreement that is their business. We do not need the NCAA establishing any more rules. Nobody is forcing the coaches to recruit early and nobody is forcing kids to commit early.

As you and others have found out, it is not the opinion of the parent that matters. It is the opinion of the college coaches that matters. When schools like Maryland, UNC, Duke and Virginia recruit a player she is probably pretty damn good. The disbelieving parents of the kids who do not get recruited by the top schools can scratch their heads and laugh all they want. It will not make the top schools recruit their daughter. After the top recruits are committed schools will look to fill slots with the next level player. At the top academic schools coaches will look to fill remaining spots with girls who have exceptionally high GPA's and test scores. The top recruits are given more latitude academically.

I don't think that a 13 or 14 year old should be making this type of decision on their own. Nor do I think a 16 or 17 year old should make the decision on their own. However when offers are coming in from the top "academic" universities in the country I do think that parents can guide their child and make a sound decision. Remember, it is up to the family, nobody is forced to commit and if the school does not want to engage in early recruiting they do not have to.

The reality is that only a small percentage of girls will verbally commit in the 9th grade.

I have listened to many parents on the sideline and read much of the banter on this site. There is a lot of jealousy and venom spewed. I think early recruiting is a reality check for some parents. Maybe their daughter plays on a top club team, maybe she was brought up to Varsity in 8th or 9th grade. Maybe they think that she is the best kid out there. College coaches don't care about any of that. Coaches know what they like when they see it and when they see it they recruit it.

Unrealistic parents have a tough time when the college coaches recruit other players and not their daughter. Thats when the fangs come out.

- She will never play there.
- She will get a degree in basket weaving.
- I don't get, she is not that good.
- My daughter is going D3, she is focusing on academics.
- 45 girls on the roster, good luck.
- I would never allow my daughter to commit so early.
- It's stupid. It's foolish, It's crazy.

It's a decision that the player, parents and coaches make together. It's their decision not ours. If 90% of the coaches do not want to engage in the practice of early recruiting they should simply stop doing it. If a student and the parents do not want to commit early they do not have to.

Push the timeframe back all you want it will not change the underlying tone of jealousy and bitterness from the parents who think their daughter is better than the college coaches thinks she is. If you do not believe that there is a tremendous amount of negative sentiment directed at some of the girls you are not in tune with reality.

The high and mighty big picture view and "I know better attitude" has a socialist tint to it. You know what is best for all the players, parents, coaches and universities. You are so unselfish, you only want what is best for the sport and for all of the kids. How could anyone possibly make a good decision by themselves on their on timetable. How could someone possibly have a different view than from me?

According to some, coaches can't identify talent. Parents are not capable of thinking past the next tournament. It is not possible for a 9th grader with council from her parents to make a sound decision.

If pushing the recruiting timetable back will also delay the jealousy then I am all for it.

Nicely stated. You seem to get the big picture. Care to comment on the people who love to bash other clubs for being a B or C club? What is your feeling on being the best player on a weaker "B" club? Or being on a stacked "A" team where playing time is split?

Your way too long diatribe is just ridiculous. Of course they need to address the early recruiting as it has gotten out of control. There are too many things you wrote that are ignorant and it would take too much time to address them all so I will make a few points. First how does moving the recruiting age back negatively impact anyone ? They are suggesting no contact until September of junior year, who gets hurt by this ? Your suggestion of if a college coach or player and their parents don't want to be involved in early recruiting then just don't is asinine, it's the same logic as the pro steroid users in baseball," it's their business if they want to use roofs that's up to them". Why am I against early recruiting because it did have a negative impact on my child and is now affecting my next . They are now making offers to 8th grade kids ( especially some MD players ) , if your kid is one of them there is pressure to make that decision as that spot and that offer are not open ended. If your kid is not ready to make that decision at 13-14 years old they will in fact lose out on certain opportunities so yes it can and does negatively impact those kids .

That's an interesting comment. What was/is the negative inpact to both of your children? I agree that this is all way too early, but at the end of the day college coaches have been at this a long time and do know what they are looking for in a prospective athlete. And as much as parents all want what's best for their child, far too many parents have an unrealistic view in terms of what colleges should be interested in their child. As in all sports, coaches aren't looking at ability in the present day, they see a player and try to project what that players ability can be 3-4 years from now, i.e. what is their upside. And if they see a very talented player, who they also believe has a tremendous upside, they will get interested. While they might not get it right all the time, they get it right enough that the top teams remain the top teams. If your daughters don't happen to be in those conversations, and it's consistent, i.e. She isn't getting those early looks, then it's probably time to start being more realistic in terms of her ability to play at a certain level. Plenty of opportunities out there, they just may not be at the level you think she should be.

What was with 2018 MD Black at Presidents cup? Did they leave every girl that was committed at home? That team is nowhere near the team that has been playing together.

Team Elevate 2018 Blue defeated M & D Black 2018, 8-6!

And Elevate lost to Capital Blue and Ultimate Grit? I think that the question before this (did M&D Black leave all their committed girls at home) is a relevant one? M&D was barely beating teams they normally beat up on and lost to Elevate, a team that has almost no committed girls.

Thanks Elevate Coach for the update. My daughter plays on Capital and we played your team and won by about 1/2 dozen goals. Thought that Elevate would have been more competitive than that. Also, why do you carry 30 girls on one team?

Ignorance catches up with you. You won't get away with it forever unfortunately your daughters will suffer. A win is a win. Case closed!!! No excuses..

Committed girls were not supposed to be playing which is why some teams showed awful. TG 17 never looked worse, with sideline coaches even shaking their heads. Having said that remember -those recruited still need to hit the mandated ncaa requirements for gap and sat/act tests. There is no way around that.

Agreed that my diatribe was long but remember, nobody forced you to read it. To some degree I am playing devil's advocate. I do think that the coaches are recruiting the girls too early but I think that the current environment will evolve and work itself out. I am not a fan of the NCAA and believe that any rule implementation will result in many unintended consequences.

I was attempting to address and counter what was written in the adjoining (previous) post.

Feel free to point out what is ignorant, inaccurate or untrue in my post.

I do not believe that I stated "moving the recruiting age back negatively impact anyone".

I did not mention anything about moving it back to september first hurting anyone. I just do not think the NCAA should have to make a rule. If 90% of the coaches want to wait then they should wait.

Why is it asinine to suggest that the coaches and players/families do not have to engage in early recruiting if they do not want to? Nobody is being forced into anything. I would say comparing taking drugs to early recruiting is asinine.

I am sorry that you feel that early recruiting has had a negative impact on your children. What was the impact? I am sure that early recruiting has had a positive impact on others.

What if the kid is not ready to make a decision in the fall of her Junior year? Are you going to advocate moving the date again? There is no perfect time. Everyone is different. Some people are ready to make the decision in 9th grade, some in 10th some will never be ready.

Do you know how hard it is not to hit the minimums? The problem is that dumb kids that get walked into these schools wont be able to keep up academically especially when the coach and captains are running them 60 hours a week

Here is a note to parents, your daughter can still be a summer travel and middle school coach without going to Northwestern LOL. We all know that is the ultimate prize working for SS or CR

Who cares that elevate won they got lucky keeping 25 girls on team is not fair to the girls again coach k showcases his favorites

M&D had none of their committed players. I am surprised the game was even that close. Elevate was ab;e to play with their full team since almost none of their 2018s are committed. Dont forget, YJ beat Eleavte by 12 goals last week and YJ and M&D have great games. That said, the team Elevate played was not the top M&D team.

When my daughter went through the process the committed girls continued to play with the sole purpose of helping the girls that helped get them recruited look better. Teams should remain in tact for all of the girls to get recruited. I know that some coaches do not want to watch games with a majority of the girls already committed but it has to be a two way street for the athletes.

Yet another example of jealousy and bitterness.

I doubt that the parent's of the committed kids wanted to make the trip down to Florida.

I was looking at results to see how all the Topgun teams made out at the tournament. Did 18 purple not go to this tournament?

TG 2018 purple was a combo team of purple and white players. They went 2-2 down in Florida. Team played better than they did the previous two weekends.

They were there - Bracket #36, went 2-2.

I guess TG 17 really went downhill

My daughter is committed and we went to florida for the exact reason stated above....by playing as a team and keeping the chemistry, it helps all the players look good and hopefully leads to more players committing!

What's the story about this coach k All I hear are bad things no one says bad things about other coaches it seems like if u r smart u will stay away from team elevate and coach k

2017 was always an off year for TG, black was on a purple level when compared to other age groups.

TG 17 purple went downhill when they added a white team two years ago. Third team is always a mess. Last year when they didn't get enough "yes" replies for a white team they just put the girls who did say yes on purple and carried one huge mediocre roster with B and C players.

The entire club has turned Mediocre at best.

My daughter is committed and we went to florida for the exact reason stated above....by playing as a team and keeping the chemistry, it helps all the players look good and hopefully leads to more players committing! [/qu


Didn't the rules state the tournament was for non committed girls?

The committed players just needed to wear an arm band.

No they did not. Many committed girls there playing (maybe less than the non-committed players) and supporting their teammates.

Not true at all. M&D had their committed girls there including their McDonogh Girls.

All the parents should be committed !!!!!

K

Once SS got the Hofstra job it was all downhill

not if you want to go to Hofstra!

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So at least half the girls that played in M&d yesterday were committed including two from Duke and their sTanford-bound goalie, among others. In the second half at one point, they had 4 attack on the field at the same time all with arm bands. Say what you want, but Elevate outplayed them yesterday.

Any reason Yellow Jackets would send the entire 2018 blue team to florida when only 6 left haven't committed? The lame excuse of playing as a team isn't going to cut it

because All these clubs talk out of both sides of their mouths. YES your kid is important but so is winning for the franchise. Newbies follow the big committed lists and the club with the most trophies and then the lemmings in these clubs follow their leader to Florida or Colorado or...

So what's your solution? Just send the 6 left? This site really attracts some stupid people!

I really love the entertainment value this forum brings. It really showcases the stupidity and better yet jealousy some people have of others. I am not even a YJ parent but when my daughter competes in this hopefully next year, I hope its against the best girls in the country committed or non committed. Maybe these YJs are there now to showcase the talents of the "6 girls" who did not commit? Do you think the coaches here are that dumb and will spend time watching a kid that is already committed? I'm sure they would love to see how one the kids they have their eye does against better kids no?

If a girl is committed I fully understand NOT attending this event. Why as a parent would I shell out probably close to $2K to play at a recruiting tournament in front of college coaches? This is an event for girls still looking to get recruited. Not to mention pulling my daughter out of school for possibly (2) days.

I like what TG does, mix up all the uncommitted girls who want to attend. Who cares who wins or loses the games. These girls are hoping they play well and get noticed by a college coach.

Maybe just maybe the kids have worked so hard over the years and love playing together and the parents can afford to take them either as a reward for all the hard work or as a mini "working" vacation for the family. Why does everything have to be so negative?

Jealousy

EXACTLY! It's an opportunity for a family vacation and we jumped all over it! We have not had many opportunities the past few years for a family vacation with multiple kids playing in different tournaments throughout the summer. Besides, it's been years since we've been down to LarryMiller and the accompanying attractions. Recruiting, whatever. It was fun and it gave me another opportunity to spend more time with my daughter - who will be leaving for college in two years.

I totally agree, my daughter and I had a great time mixing up some good lacrosse and a little vacation!

You make too much sense, why are you posting on this site? Now please go ahead and post something negative about 10 to 16 year old girls that are playing lacrosse and trying their best before you get blocked.

If a girl is committed I fully understand NOT attending this event. Why as a parent would I shell out probably close to $2K to play at a recruiting tournament in front of college coaches? This is an event for girls still looking to get recruited. Not to mention pulling my daughter out of school for possibly (2) days.

I like what TG does, mix up all the uncommitted girls who want to attend. Who cares who wins or loses the games. These girls are hoping they play well and get noticed by a college coach. [/quote

The committed kids go because they like playing. They especially like playing with their teammates and friends. They love going to Florida.They feel an obligation to help the kids get committed who helped them and do not want to abandon them to play with kids they do not know.

How dare you not even mention the recruiting or be so blasé about the main purpose that a majority of those parents are putting out the money. Then you decide to throw it in their faces - mocking them by telling them about your "family vacation" and spending time with your daughter. Not once mentioning anything about recruiting or colleges. I bet you are also one of those people who's daughter has already committed and did not even have to make that trip. Well, good for you and thank you for the refreshing outlook. There are still sane people out there.

Far from negative, I am just sharing a different opinion on a fall tournament when it comes to committed players. I am sure many of the girls love the game and playing together with their teammates. Unfortunately not everyone can share your view economically. Let's be honest, if you add up the costs for this tournament in Florida and some of the others in Maryland it might actually might add up to the cost of the athletic money being given to many of these girls.

I look at this type of tournament as solely a recruiting event. If my daughter was committed already I would not go. Again, this is just my opinion not a negative comment.

Maybe you should think before you type. Those 6 girls could have played with the other YJ 2018 team that had only 3 committed players on that team. They all know each other from being on interchangeable rosters this fall. Would have been more beneficial to all no committed girls.

Here is a scenario that probably played out down in Florida. You're a college scout coming to see a girl on a team from Philly. The only opportunity to see her is when she plays YJ because you have numerous girls to look at over the next 48 hours. You've got your spot on the sidelines with the rest of the coaches and in the next 45 minutes you watch the girl you've come to see get dominated by an entire team of top D1 commits. Her teammates are crushed as well. Now you look around and notice that most of the girls on the field have green arm bands on. The subs coming in all have green arm bands on also. Now the girl might be a good player but she never got a chance to do anything because she just played an all star team that had no reason to be there. Now that girls 45 minutes are up. The scout learned nothing about the player because they barely had the ball in a 17-4 blowout.

"Hypothetical girl" could have still done good things in the context of that game if she is truly good. If not there, then there are plenty of other opportunities to get noticed. If this "hypothetical college" is her dream school, she could attend their camps/clinics and then there will be no doubt as to whether they are interested in her.

I think the coaches want to see how the uncommitted players match up against the committed players. The committed players represent future college players.

Also, I think it shows team spirit if all the players attend the showcase tournaments !

Come on. We are supposed to believe that after 4 years of me first playing that these girls are now altruistic. They only went down to help the uncommitted girls. That's a bunch of crap. Maybe.. Just maybe someone had a score to settle with TLC red? Can't lose to the same team twice, can you?

There isn't a parent of a committed girl saying let's lay out $3000 to go to Florida to make sure little Sally gets recruited. No way!

AMEN. My daughter is committed and wanted to be with her teammates and have a great time at Disney. And we can afford it. I guess we are horrible people according to the standards of many on this forum. Get a clue jealous haters.

Did someone say "team spirit" . you must be new, everyone knows there is no I in team and there is definitely no "team" in "club"

Unfortunately, it goes both ways. If she had played a bunch of scrubs and dominated, the same coach would be saying "Wow, she looked great, but I wonder if she can hang with D1 level competition." That's what he cares about.

There's a big difference between scrubs and a full team of D1 commits. This was a recruiting tournament. Why bring a team that has been recruited and committed already?

Bunch of crybabies. The signup for these fall tournaments were in July, before most of the girls committed.

For all the reasons listed above. Sorry your daughter couldn't keep up.

If she did not have a chance to really do anything then she was probably on the bench. If she did even the smallest thing, either riding or playing defense - the coaches will see that. If, when she does get the ball and is able to do something with it apart from going straight to goal and turning it over - then she showed enough. If on the other hand - she is a junior and still has not gotten any sniffs from a D1 coach - then maybe an honest evaluation is needed.

Heard bad things about the coach or about Elevate, not sure of the question? He has burned a lot of bridges with people, vendors, etc. which is now catching up with the club. I spoke with some of the 2018 parents down in Florida. Many of them are very frustrated as they felt that they were told their daughters would have been recruited by now if the followed the elevate process. Three out of thirty kids on the 2018 blue team have been recruited, not a high percentage. They said the club has been stressing recruiting with this age group for years. Some feel it is the lack of relationships he and the recruiting director at elevate have with college coaches. Others were just frustrated with the size of the team and the lack of playing time. They also said the winter options this year are limited at best as they no longer have any relationship with the HUB in Syosset. They said there is little or no communications from the team except for social media where it shows the same 3 2018 girls getting recruited which has been posted more than once. Not know much about DK but that was what I heard from them.

wow. For someone not on Elevate you sure received a lot of information. why don't you register and say who you are instead of hiding behind your computer.

Elevate, and I hate to say it, is no different than any other money worshipping travel lax program...Dave does have best social media and his ability to pat himself on the back every chance he gets is amazing--try to find a picture anywhere where his melon isn't in the picture--its all about the kids, right DK?..but they are all the same and money rules the roost...hey, if you were a director like DK, wouldn't you take every free trip you could that was paid for by the parents?..Florida in November sounds good to me--especially when its on someone else's dime...

It's remarkable to me how people spend so much time and energy bashing Dave Kotowski when they really don't know what they're talking about. It always seems like sour grapes to me and only shows that Dave and Elevate are a force to be reckoned with. Is a travel lacrosse director not allowed to make a living? Dave works tirelessly about 8 days a week and deserves to earn money. You constant bashers just sound ridiculous. How does Dave garner free trips exactly? I have been to Florida in November with Dave and you know what he's doing? He's speaking with hundreds of college coaches every day (I know you say he and his daughter have no relationships with college coaches- that is laughable), he is attending every game and coaching every team that he reasonably can, he is arranging for his players and their families to spend time together and have fun, he is fielding calls from coaches, and in many cases (I have seen it numerous times), he is walking off the field with an offer from a coach for one or more players each day he is there. Is Florida in November nice? It sure is when you are an Elevate player and you are in the company of Dave Kotowski. Whoever you are, sitting at home trying to tarnish Dave's reputation, keep it up. You are likely a bitter parent, or a competitor. Dave must be doing something right to have you so interested in him. He is busy working and building Elevate so he doesn't have the time to respond to your BS.

I have no axe to gring with DK or Elevate.. but I have never heard of a college coach making an offer to the club director at a tournanment... anyone else beleive that??

I've often wondered about why so many on this site have issues with the club owners making money. I don't see what the problem is with that. They offer a service and if you chose to buy it, like any other service or product, you may or may not exactly what you expected or paid for.

The 26 2018 blue players might agree with you but the 12 girls left on red might disagree. If he's walking off the field with multiple offers from coaches then who's getting them? Only 3 commits for 2018 so far.

Thanks DK for the autobiography but nobody is buying it. Everything Elevate does is completely self serving. While he has burned more bridges and relationships than one can count, lets be real his daughter has zero relationships with college coaches (she is just there learning the business). "Walking off the field with an offer everyday" really? YJ has more 2019s committed than the 3 2018s Elevate has committed. Elevate is a club to be reckon with? I guess I missed that when YJ beat them by more than a dozen goals this fall. He can market and sell whatever he wants, that's what is so great about our country. I think all people ask is that you have a little integrity when you do it. I have a friend on the 2018 Red team and what they did to that team, those girls and the parents this year is just awful. If you don't have enough kids to field a team, then don't have a team.

And with DK there's a good chance you'll just get a buch of BS all designed to serve him and his few friends.

Know what? There are plenty of other clubs out there - move on. I never really understood that - the energy people spend 'itch and griping on this site...
Vote with your feet people!

I think it was intended as a public service announcement 😜

Why would anyone take the word of an anonymous troll?? One that obviously has an ax to grind!! Sheese

Agree, that is total b.s. and kills any credibility of the post. The may tell a tell club they plan on offering a kid, but not giving them an offer directly.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but my daughter walked off the field at the President's Cup and was offered a D1 spot, as were several of her teammates. This does not mean the coaches hadn't been watching these girls already- coaches see girls play several times. But that is what happened. Absolutely true.

Well then NCAA rules were blatantly violated. College coaches cannot have contact w players or their parents at tournaments.

What rules? The NCAA rules mean nothing. They are a sham. Back door recruiting is the norm and how to get around the "rules" is the game.
Have not heard of one coach/program reprimanded or taken to task by the NCAA even though it is public knowledge when a young girl commits to a program before the coaches are even permitted to contact them.

Congrats to you and your daughter, however if a coach spoke directly to you or your daughter during competition it would be a clear violation.

No kidding, there's early recruiting going on? And indirect communication through intermediaries? WOW. Thanks for that insight. This person claims that their daughter walked off the field at the President's Cup and was offered a spot by a coach right there on the side of the field. A coach going up to a girl AT A TOURNAMENT and offering her a spot is simply not done. It is a clear violation, and one that coaches avoid. There is no way a girl walks off the field at the President's Cup and a coach approaches her and offers her a spot complete w scholarship amount etc. Through an intermediary, ok, but not directly to the girl at the tournament.

Most D1 coaches are only making around 40 grand until you crack the top 10 so I am sure everyone is bending the rules trying to put up some great records to move up from their 75th ranked team

You've misunderstood. I said that THROUGH the travel lacrosse director, these girls were offered spots. There was NO breaking of rules whatsoever. You of course know that the coaches communicate with players through the directors or their travel coaches.

Dude.. your High..

this arguement is stupid.. Coaches do not make contact or make offers to players at tournaments, College coaches do not make offer to Club Directors at tournaments... they will express interest/love/possibilities/ about a player to a club director and ask the player to call thier office on a certain day and time..

correct! we have a winner!!

Dave k is definitely not a winner

The process is dirty and the kids are too young that's a fact.

Who is Dave K and why is he not a winner?

What is dirty about it?

Coaches watch kids play, they like who they like and they recruit them.

If they like the kid enough they make an offer.

Nothing dirty

Early? Yes. Too early? maybe. Wrong? I don't know. It's right for some. Dirty? I don't think so.

How can it ever be right for a 13 year old? Maybe right for dad but the kids aren't ready

Really, 13? How many 13 year olds are being offered spots?

The process does start way too early.

Who starts it?

Kid can't verbally commit unless an offer is made. the coaches all indicate that they want to stop the early recruiting (proposed new rules to IWLCA), but no one will do it willingly as they're afraid to lose out on top recruits. It's a vicious cycle. I agree it's too early. It's too much pressure on these girls.

You think the 9th grade 14 year just gets offered on her 1st look? These nuts are looking at 7th and 8th graders and locking them up with verbals in 9th. IT"S INSANITY and its ruining the game, sidelines and friendships. Lets hope the changes go through so kids can be kids and everyone (most importantly the parents) can relax a little.

Amen.

I agree it is crazy. But...

How is it ruining the game? Do you really think the sidelines will improve? Do you think the jealousy will go away? Do you think a rule is going to help anyone (especially the parents ) to relax?

USA Today:
http://usatodayhss.com/2015/carmel-softball-phenom-13-snags-full-ride-to-division-i-college

Silly. I mean good for her working hard and being talented etc, but ridiculous that dad is so proud that she is “... so strong. She’s already built better than (UFC fighter) Ronda Rousey as an eighth grader,” said John.

And btw, if she is the most talented softball player in the country, why wouldn't you wait until your daughter was a little older and could make an even more informed decision? The money would still be there for her. Promise.

Now Dad's everywhere are going to start their 12 year-olds dead lifting and squatting. Can they please be kids for just a little while longer???

Reminds me of Todd Marinovich, whose father groomed him to be a QB. Hope this young lady doesn't follow in his footsteps.

Because ball hogs start in PAL because they need to be able to verbal in 8th grade. So any average or developing kid gets squeezed out of a great sport way too young by kids that are black holes on the field. We don't see any of this at volleyball, softball, soccer or basketball. Kids play those sports for fun nobody talks about "verbals" yet kids still end up getting some scholarships and all the parents cheer for all the kids and the team. Parents have their kids play lacrosse for scholarships like its a job.

With YJ rosters out, could TG not be far behind with theirs?

Because ball hogs start in PAL because they need to be able to verbal in 8th grade. So any average or developing kid gets squeezed out of a great sport way too young by kids that are black holes on the field. We don't see any of this at volleyball, softball, soccer or basketball. Kids play those sports for fun nobody talks about "verbals" yet kids still end up getting some scholarships and all the parents cheer for all the kids and the team. Parents have their kids play lacrosse for scholarships like its a job.





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Don't disagree with a lot of what you said. But it is happening in many other sports as well. Soccer? definitely.

Don't disagree with a lot of what you said. But it is happening in many other sports as well. Soccer? definitely. [/quote]

so true..nothing worse than the PAL lax dad coach who constantly yells for his little future Terp to "go to the goal" ...and the parents on the sidelines--in both PAL and travel who cant bring themselves to cheer for anyone else but their other-worldly talented brat

No way in soccer. its impossible to hog the ball the same way in soccer. Some are playing premier top get recruited but come school game time they fit in like everyone else and share touches on the ball.

Go to cage, get defended, back out, reset, go to cage, get defended, back out, reset, go to cage, get defended, back out, and then pass to another travel player whether they are open or not.

Ture, but there are still those that think they can dribble through three defenders and who also believe any shot is theirs to take. But in general, your statement is true. You just can't possess the ball in soccer as you can in lacrosse.

"We don't see any of this at volleyball, softball, soccer or basketball. Kids play those sports for fun nobody talks about "verbals" yet kids still end up getting some scholarships and all the parents cheer for all the kids and the team."

This is what I was referring to. You do see tons of talk about verbals in other sports. Soccer is a prime example. So while agree about the ability to possess the ball etc, the parental nuttiness is EVERYWHERE!

Nuttiness yes, but no other sport is close to lax. Everyone else cheers for the team and not the individual. If your daughter is in 10th grade and an athlete I am sure she has played school volleyball, soccer or BBall already and you can't tell me the stands are the same as the spring Lax sideline. Lax parents don't care about anything but their own kid. Makes me want to scream

I think TG is done posting rosters for good

That's what I don't get. People pay all this money to travel clubs and then you go to a club like Elevate and have a parent coach. My kid at Elevate plays for the same PAL coach we played against when she was in 5th grade?

So where did those TG players who left program end up on YJ ? Curious to see what level of play TG considered top falls into the YJ level. After all YJ is the top ,and very realistic on where your kid stands on performance



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YJ takes the cake on Daddy/PAL Coaches.

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3 that left from TG all made 2nd team YJ.

Is playing time equal on YJ top teams?

In the blowouts

I guess that's true. Don't really understand it. Our town isn't quite like that, but I think it's because we don't have too many top travel kids, so the team seems more tight knit and the parents actually seem generally pretty supportive of all. I definitely see it on the travel club circuit. Any thoughts on why lax is like that? I mean the few college coaches that I have gotten to know, look for many other things besides goal scoring. Off ball movement, creating lanes for teammates, hustle on the ride, defense, communication, leadership, passing, overall vision ... One well-respected coach told me as my daughter was going through the recruiting process that she of course wants talented kids, but she and her staff spend a lot of time thinking about personalities and chemistry when working through the recruiting puzzle. One would think that parents could grasp these things too and understand that there are many facets to a great athlete, and the very greatest make the players around them better.

3 that left from TG all made 2nd team YJ. [/quote]



That team went from rock solid two years ago, to sinking like a rock this past summer. If this fall season is any indication, its going to be a long, long 2016 summer season.

That team went from rock solid two years ago, to sinking like a rock this past summer. If this fall season is any indication, its going to be a long, long 2016 summer season.[/quote]

Are you referring to TG or YJ?

Is the white a 2nd YJ team?




3 that left from TG all made 2nd team YJ. [/quote]

Sounds great in coach speak but all coaches think they can coach a goal scorer to pass but can't turn some athletic players into goal scorers so the hogs win more than they lose during the recruiting process. And I agree lacrosse sidelines with the parents is the worst in HS sports but after being through it already I can tell you those "bad" parents don't care. They are only there for their kid and they don't care if you like them

Are you referring to TG or YJ? [/quote]

It is the TG team that has withered away.

I assume you are talking about TG 2018 Purple...I believe the Black team at 2018 is a pretty solid team

sinking like a rock last summer ?

I may be wrong but I believe they lost 2 games last summer

YJ Blue at U15 and Skywalkers Blue at Capitol Cup

Elevate is notorious for that Dave is know cheap and doesn't spend the money for real coaches

Do urself and your child a favor and stay away from elevate

Dave is a god on this site.you cannot bash him!

PLEASEEEEE!! The only god on this site is a goddess.. ME!!

What a joke! Dave is no God . He is one of the worst representatives of Long Island lacrosse. There is nothing godly or positive I can say about him

Wow so much hate on this guy. It's my second year with elevate and I think Dave is a great coach and mentor for the girls. I feel a lot of hate is parents who's kid were cut or put down on b team. If my daughter was put down say next year I will still stay. Yeah a little expensive but it's about getting your daughter better and having fun. And I believe elevate does that.

Dave can be a great guy or a complete son of a b#%* and can viciously turn on a dime. I've seen it happen way more than once with him.

Yeah I have heard that. But as a parent act according and don't always complain about the team or coaching.

hahahaha. That's only one of many things that will set Dave off.

I like the guy. Wished he coached my daughters team.

Is yellow jacket white the 2nd team ?


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3 that left from TG all made 2nd team YJ. [/quote] [/quote]

No YJ white is not the 2nd team . Is that where these girls ended up?


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Poor girls. VG is not an effective coach. The roster will balloon by spring and these girls will likely not play. There are easily 8 girls on this team that will go to Maryland each weekend to play for a grand total of about 10 minutes. Parents can [lacrosse] all they want and it won't change a thing. Best of luck.

Poor girls. VG is not an effective coach. The roster will balloon by spring and these girls will likely not play. There are easily 8 girls on this team that will go to Maryland each weekend to play for a grand total of about 10 minutes. Parents can [lacrosse] all they want and it won't change a thing. Best of luck.



What team are you talking about?

Is VG a parent coach?

He coaches the YJ second team. Trainwreck.

Numerous TG girls listed on YJ roster for 2018. No wonder there are no rosters posted for TG.

Geez troll.... And here we were thinking you wouldn't be back this year with your roster obsessed nonsense.

Sometimes it's hard to see a sinking ship, it's almost like shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic. Nobody needs to obsess over the rosters, we already know where the top players are. TG rosters will be posted after they pick up a few more disgruntled YJ players which shouldn't be long now since YJ players need to accept this week.

Only roster not posted for TG is 2018. Will there be 3 teams or 2?????

Does this really keep you up at night??

FINALLY!!

27 on each team in an important recruiting year - Wow! That's a lot of girls leaning on their sticks on the sideline.

No worries only Div 1 schools it seems that girls from, 2018 and down will be headed from this program is Hofstra or Towson. Girls who have left for yellow jackets 2nd team last year and this year even (girls with no college interest leaves plays 2 fall tournaments with YJ and has 3 offers on the table not even playing a spring season with YJ) have already spoken to 5x the schools they had under TG. BS either doesn't have the contacts he once had or claimed he had, SS warm fuzzy personality and all those bridges she keeps burning with her colleagues in the coaching ranks, and the dwindling reputation of the program have killed their recruiting. The last time they had a decent recruiting class (let's say half way decent) is this year's graduating class and many of those girls didn't start their careers with TG. They also attended the camps of the colleges they are going to and had little help from the TG "family". Don't fall for the family bit, the only family they look out for is the Smith family.

I don't want to pile on the Smiths', but I heard that a bunch of girls left hofstra over the last week

There are still the select few the BS and SS have sold a dream to.. They will continue to drink their kool aid. They will think they are the only ones that the Smith's actually care about. They will give them a line of ...... Oh your daughter is so special she is a "leader" and then maybe set up the "school visit" to the college of your dreams... It really is soooo pathetic. Move on people!!

These girls were Shannon's recruits too. Sold a bill of goods. Its only a matter of time before the NCAA steps in between Shannon and the club (not like she really has any real input or actually does anything with the club other than capitalize on her name).

Funny how things have come full circle and TG have actually made YJ look like the good guys.

I just checked the Hofstra roster. It looks full to me. I didn't notice any names missing.

The NCAA won't have to step in because she isn't violating any rules. If she continues to fill her roster with TG girls, she will eventually be out of a job.

About half of the Hofstra roster is from Md. As long as she continues to get Md girls she'll be fine. She may have to branch out into Fla (which she's already done with the 2016s).

Sorry...no Fla girl going to Hofstra in the next class. There's a Fla girl in the 2018 class and a Pa girl.

5 out of 31 girls are from Maryland, Far from half. 19 From LI, of those 15 are former TG. Don't kid yourself, with all her recent commits from TG there has to be some NCAA violations in there. Just a matter of time before someone puts it together.

Nobody will care unless hofstra starts winning and that's not happening anytime soon

I feel sorry for you and your family. All of the time that you spend worrying about other people. You have some serious issues and you should get help before you poison your children with your sickness.

Like you Bill.

I love all the talk about college recruits.It gets me fired up.I have a two year old who is going places. She runs real fast. Right now we are working on the whistle drill. I have her run five feet and then i blow the whistle.We do that for about 45 minutes, doing real life game situations. I have her play defense and then i blow the whistle whenever she gets to close,and wave my hand in front of my face. We finish by doing the you thought you just scored whistle drill,but i blew the whistle so you really did not. And then we do the good luck from the 8 meter free shot drill.And then for fun we do the i call timeout drill and we drop our sticks and run to the sidelines,the last one there has to clean the whistle. Just getting her ready for the game of lacrosse.

The game of women's lacrosse.

Just found out that only 3 or 4 freshmen quit at Hofstra. Heard they couldn't handle the workouts. This is nothing unusual. Almost every team loses freshmen each year, in every sport. The weak were weeded out, and the strong survived. Hofstra won the regular season title last season, and looks to just get better from there. They'll be just fine.

19 from L.I. and 15 from T.G. is nothing look at Stony Brook all but 2 or 3 girls from Yellow Jackets

And they're a Top 10 program. Hmmmm...

Not sure how YJ got dragged into this but look who the SB coach hooked his and his daughters wagon to.

Any word on recent commitments from the 2018 class?

Tell us where you daughter comitted - clearly you want to make an announcement. Go for it! If you just truly want to know - go to the clubs website - they all list them in there.

No decent commits except for the Towson and one Fairfield. There are a few random schools that I've never heard of. These people are having their kids commit to a school just for bragging rights. Typical top guns behavior.

The recent de-commitment is more interesting

Where was she committed to?3

Still waiting on an answer to my question. Where was the girl committed to? Right now all I hear is crickets.

Princeton, Cornell, Yale & Army are random? Seriously?! I just don't understand why people post garbage that is so easily verified or disproved

Those girls would have gone to those schools whether they were TG girls or not. It's the other 9 going between Hofstra and Towson that everyone loves to make fun of. The last one to Lasalle is a head scratcher

People aren't posting garbage about TG. YJ lemmings are posting the garbage about TG. There's a huge difference between people and YJ. Like I said in an earlier post, the YJ lemmings sole purpose on BOTC is to discredit SS and dismantle TG. Sad, sad...and childish.

SS cousin told her she was no longer interested in playing for her at hofstra

Curious as to why you think us YJ lemmings sole purpose is to discredit TG? Could this noise be coming from former TG players that have moved on and now have a bone to pick?
My daughter is on a top YJ team and frankly I could care less about TG and same goes for the parents that I know. Also curious but when was the last time a top TG team beat a top YJ team in any age group?

I don't know how true that is but she has never been listed on any recruiting website as committed to Hofstra. Only TG website has her committing there.

Head scratcher? Never even heard of LaSalle? Why is it a good school because it's D1??? Stop it!!!

Not the school. The player

Don't know the player but I guess it sounds like a good fit then.

are you saying it's not a good school because you never heard of it,

you are an awful, spiteful person. How about wishing her the best?

Hey Head Scratcher, sounds like the green eyed monster got a hold on you. Where's your daughter committed to?? Better check your head for lice.

I have a little more butt kissing and a couple more Hofstra camps to attend before BS will entertain my daughters college inquiries.

They need you at Hoftrra right now! The ship is sinking.

Very funny but true!!!

This is sooooo hypercritical!!! The parents that talk about everyone else on the team can dish it out but can't take the heat!!!! You have to expect when you spew venom it will bite you back. Karma baby!!!

Here is a serious question. With only 1 year left of travel lacrosse, is it worth it to switch clubs? Many unhappy players between TG and Elevate girls. Can a switch of clubs help or hurt these girls?

Which club are you switching from TG or Elevate?

My daughter switched clubs in her last year, she was already committed. Her future college coach told us they could care less who she played for!!!

Did you guys have a top secret meeting somewhere to talk about how unhappy you are?

At that age, options may be a little limited or you may be going to an established team which may be a little hard for your daughter. There may be a few options but most clubs at that age will have one team in that age group except for TG, YJ and Liberty. Elevate will make a 2018/19 combo team but you know how that went this year with the 2017/18 team which is why they are so unhappy. Our story, we left Elevate 2 years ago and went to Liberty Red. This past summer was great and we had a lot of new kids. Since we had new kids there were NO clics at all. We had a lot of Elevate kids come over too last year so if your daughter was on Elevate she will know them. We had about 16/17 kids at every tournament (5/6 subs per game so lots of playing time). The kids were very committed and showed up to everything. There were kids from all over long island and in spite of what people say only a couple from Manhasset. We played in the right level at tournaments and had a lot of competitive games. Never got blown out and only blew out like 2/3 teams all summer. We also took advantage of the winter clinics at the HUB that Liberty put on as well as the winter indoor league. The 2018 Red and Black teams practiced together frequently. I think that Liberty Red team will add a few kids but I believe most kids will come back, not all but most as they had a really great summer. So what are the options - YJ will always have a place for you and I would guess at 2018 YJ will probably have 3 teams next year. as you said TG and Elevate have a lot of unhappy people. What does that leave fl$, they had a tough summer and would doubt they will have a lot of kids returning. Go to some tryouts and see what your daughter thinks. If your daughter likes playing, then it worth finding a place that makes her happy.

It will HELP, recruiters don't care who you play for, they just want to see you play. Anyone whose instinct is telling them to switch should.

TG. Teams are too big. Been there for a while and SS and BS still don't know the names of the girls on the team. BS coached some of the games at the end of the season and he wasn't well received. Ran the same play over and over again without much success. Girls are just fed up with hearing him ask regular coach "Who's that?"

We wont be going back to Elevate but not sure if my daughter will play again next summer. 2018 Red was a complete debacle. The team fell apart half way through the summer and we had to even borrow kids in the first 2 tournaments. We were using 2020 kids who were playing with 2017/18 girls. I mean really? I don't even know if that's legal at some of these tournaments. We also had a lot of respect for that coach up until this year. How he listens to DK and continues to buy into Elevate just amazes me. DK must have pictures on him or something! His daughter is playing on this half baked team and I don't even think that he sees it.

You can't approach either one of them because they immediately go on the defensive. Did not see SS at one game this season for my daughter and her team is supposed to be "overseen" by her.

The coaches for these teams were well liked. The amount of girls on each team was a problem as was bs coaching. All he did was interrupt the games to tell the girls to feed the 3 players of the parents who harassed him the most!!!

I'm sure all club directors have a"" kissing parents but bs makes it soooo obvious.

was she not at every practice ? yes she was. I would call that overseeing her teams. Kind of tough to be at games when you have multiple teams, playing in multiple states at the same time. As for being unapproachable, that is pure BS. I have spoken to each one of the directors at TG on multiple times and each time my question was answered or my concern was addressed.

I was at every practice. Does that mean they were overseen by me? She spends no time with her purple teams. Hasn't helped that group once. You mean to tell me that she was never free to come and see them but she was available for the black teams at every age group. The only way you can approach them is if you are from a town they favor or if you can do something for them. Did your questions pertain to playing time? Amount of girls on the team? Poor subbing? Girls that continually miss practice and still start? Probably not. Yours were probably when is the next camp? What can I do for you? How much for another TG sweatshirt?

You are correct, she was at every practice and when she could she coached a little. This weekend she was running the tournament so you can not expect much from her. I saw her at the Capital Cup at a game but she was scouting as were many college coaches.

The main issue with some is the number of girls on the team was too high. I believe they had 28 girls and with that some girls cannot expect to play more than a half a game. I thought they did a decent job getting girls on the field. At the Capital Cup the team was missing quite a few committed girls so the remainder got at least 50%+ playing time. That was their time to hopefully get noticed by the college coaches. They were in a very competitive bracket with Steps, TLC...etc.

If you are that upset you should obviously move to a different organization. I know the Wave were short girls and they went to National Draw, Northern Rise, Capital Cup and Hofstra just like TG did.

Would SS have fired her father if 18 Black lost in the finals of their tourney; as it was, it went to overtime and cuz made an outstanding save to prevent the loss. It's funny that BS still doesn't know the girls names.

No don't own any TG gear, have never enrolled my girls in any extra camps and don't live in one of the "favored"towns. but what I do have are realistic expectations of what all of these travel programs can and do provide. What I also have is two girls that have been involved in travel lacrosse for 6 yrs. One playing in college and the other currently going thru the recruiting process, both with purple. Yes the rosters are large some years and sometimes the coaching is not as seasoned as you would like, but it is no different at any other club. Is the black team in every age group given priority ? Absolutely. But doesn't CR show more attention to blue ? DG to black ? Or Chris Robinson of M & D to his Black teams ? Yes they do. That is reality. So either get used to it or move on to smaller club where you, not your daughter, can get all of the attention you need.

Preach on. All clubs are the same. Period. All the girls go to the same kind of schools. To the parents...get over yourselves.

How miserable can somebody be? Does anyone like you? Did your mother beat you when you were little? Has your wife left you or is she getting the papers ready now? If it isn't working for you, or more importantly your kid, why you torturing yourself? Leave and do everyone else a favor you idiot.