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BOTC is opening our Fall 2015 through Summer 2016 thread covering the Boys 2021-7th Grade age group.
Shocked to be kicking off this thread. Re tryouts for any AA team, maybe even more so for teams trying to be...buyer beware...Dad coaches promoting son without comsequences (cheap labor), absentee Directors too busy counting the money, flimsy claims about how many of their players now play in college, immediate conflicts with Town teams, new kids added simply to have a bench that never gets used, 15 minute shifts for first line with quick too minute breaks, loudmouth coaches who take the fun out of playing and replace it with fear of making a mistake and being loudly ripped by a coach, helicopter parents who jump when the coach asks how high (or schedules an out of state game on Easter), ugly uniforms, games you would be embarassed to bring grandparents to, parent child "pep talks" that would make psychologists cringe, a weekly competition for who can bring the more expensive food item for the banquet that goes half eaten (because clearly as lax parents we are well off). All for the low, low price of $3,000 and dragging your entire family to these tournaments for the best 9 weeks of weather that we have in the NE. I expect "its not for you, move on". I've moved on. Happily. Blissfully. Never to look backedly. I suggest you calculate how many summers you have between now and when junior heads off to Podunk on the 1/8th ride he earned for all of his sacrifice, and ask yourself if it is worth it. Is your ego that big, your desire for that car sticker and bragging rights that great? Has this cult turned us all into drones feeding the machine? Wake up. Play town, play school, play hoops, play soccer, take a vacation, take your kids to the beach. You are missing out.
Thank You !!!!..this is such an awesome critique of Travel Lax that it needs to be shared to EVERYONE who has ever taken part in the charade that is travel lax. havig done itnow for 2+ years, i can truly attest to the validity of the comments.
Its a wonderful game being hijacked by those with a profit motive. They are creating the illusion that "this is what you need to do if you want to play at the next level" and then operating it with former college players. (Notice: Being a college player 20 years ago means nothing now, and many of these guys would never make these teams now due to the growth of the game).

Create a market where there is none and then market it like crazy to make people feel like they are missing out if they aren't aboard the train. Any coincidence many of these Directors are former Wall Street guys.

Take back the game. It's ours, not theirs. Let your kids be kids and let their natural talents and interest take them where they want to go, wherever that is.
You can say that about any travel sport. For many, traveling as families with teammates over the years has been a great way to have fun with family and friends at the same time. We have been involved in hockey, soccer, lacrosse and a small basketball stint for travel and we have always built great memories. I think if you do your research, know the philosophy of the club and coach you are aligned with and it suits your family values and philosophy of youth sports it can be a great experience. I'd rather have my kids with my whole family traveling and with us on Friday and Saturdays than playing video games and wandering the streets with nothing to do but find trouble. We still find pools, beaches, movies etc in between and after games. We do spend a lot of money, but we enjoy it. Younger siblings grow with other siblings on the teams and very often end up playing together. Teammates become life long friends and enjoy rivalries when they play one another in HS match ups.

I may be the minority, or maybe we have fallen into the right teams/clubs over the years across various sports, but we truly enjoy the experiences and the memories made. If any of my kids decide to call it quits- they get to make that call, but we certainly would have a bank of fun times to look back on and many friendships to hold on to as well. To each their own.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shocked to be kicking off this thread. Re tryouts for any AA team, maybe even more so for teams trying to be...buyer beware...Dad coaches promoting son without comsequences (cheap labor), absentee Directors too busy counting the money, flimsy claims about how many of their players now play in college, immediate conflicts with Town teams, new kids added simply to have a bench that never gets used, 15 minute shifts for first line with quick too minute breaks, loudmouth coaches who take the fun out of playing and replace it with fear of making a mistake and being loudly ripped by a coach, helicopter parents who jump when the coach asks how high (or schedules an out of state game on Easter), ugly uniforms, games you would be embarassed to bring grandparents to, parent child "pep talks" that would make psychologists cringe, a weekly competition for who can bring the more expensive food item for the banquet that goes half eaten (because clearly as lax parents we are well off). All for the low, low price of $3,000 and dragging your entire family to these tournaments for the best 9 weeks of weather that we have in the NE. I expect "its not for you, move on". I've moved on. Happily. Blissfully. Never to look backedly. I suggest you calculate how many summers you have between now and when junior heads off to Podunk on the 1/8th ride he earned for all of his sacrifice, and ask yourself if it is worth it. Is your ego that big, your desire for that car sticker and bragging rights that great? Has this cult turned us all into drones feeding the machine? Wake up. Play town, play school, play hoops, play soccer, take a vacation, take your kids to the beach. You are missing out.


+1!! My youngest plays travel. I'm kinda glad my oldest lost interest a while back in all honesty. If I feel that my younger doesn't have the interest or passion for the game and doesn't want to play, I'll gladly let him stop
You are all correct, it just depends on who you play for and what you are looking for. As with any product there are going to be good ones and bad ones, things you want and things you believe you need. These are decisions that only an individual can make. There is no blanket judgement of right or wrong, good or bad. Some choose to travel all over the place and spend tons of money, some want less of a commitment of time and lower costs. In the end the most important question is "who are we doing this for?" If you're being honest and your child loves what he is doing and you can afford it then it makes sense. Regardless of what kids do today it costs money. Whether they are into music, art, sports, etc. there is always going to be a cost involved in both time and money. Let go of the notion that this is necessary in order to go to college. The odds are that most players are only going to maximize their potential in anything if they have something special inside them and the love of that something brings it out. If there is no enjoyment there will be nothing but regret in the long run. If your child loves what he is doing, likes his teammates and plays for good coaches then just enjoy the experience and understand it is as much about making friends and memories as it is about anything else. There is no shame in walking away from something that you don't believe is good for you, or more importantly, your child.
can i get an AMEN!?
The good programs are few and far between. I hear too many parents lament that they and their kid are "just getting through it". No way for a kid so spend summer. There is plenty of pressure to compete at everything the other 10 months of the year- school, sports, whatever. Can't we give them the gift of just being a kid for 60 days. That down time is when they discover what makes them tick. The time away lets them make good choices.
what's wrong with the 2021 parents? stop with the common sense, all for the kids approach and start ranking the top 2021 teams and who has more hold backs!

Sincerely,
2020 thread
I'm a 2021 coach and this Summer was the first time our season ended (luckily on a good note) when kids just wanted more. One more tournament or tried to get spot at lacrosse camp or "when's practice start back up."

Football will take all those players energy, but I think kids are mostly tired of rec soccer and cross country is just to stay in shape. I have been lobbied to beef up our Fall season so their kids have a sport they are excited about until wrestling/hockey/basketball season. (Almost every kid on my team plays 3 sports.)

Anyway, I think all the criticisms above are valid and I think the coach and/or program head really needs to work hard to give their team (and parents) a good family experience. A lot of that is being positive, trying to navigate playing time issues, keeping costs down, avoiding Friday afternoon traffic jams, etc. Watching kids from so many different schools become friends (and act like kids!) has clearly been the best part of the experience so far.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
speaking of Wall Street guys who are running travel programs........there is a director of girls program who has been banned/fined/sanctioned for his activities on Wall Street. Look it up...fine was for deceptive sales practices...much bucks fine too....

Was it the Outlaws?
Outlaws are a girls program??? Learn to read moron!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
speaking of Wall Street guys who are running travel programs........there is a director of girls program who has been banned/fined/sanctioned for his activities on Wall Street. Look it up...fine was for deceptive sales practices...much bucks fine too....

Was it the Outlaws?


The outlaws don't have a girls program.
Outlaw haters get a life. It's great to be an Outlaw!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shocked to be kicking off this thread. Re tryouts for any AA team, maybe even more so for teams trying to be...buyer beware...Dad coaches promoting son without comsequences (cheap labor), absentee Directors too busy counting the money, flimsy claims about how many of their players now play in college, immediate conflicts with Town teams, new kids added simply to have a bench that never gets used, 15 minute shifts for first line with quick too minute breaks, loudmouth coaches who take the fun out of playing and replace it with fear of making a mistake and being loudly ripped by a coach, helicopter parents who jump when the coach asks how high (or schedules an out of state game on Easter), ugly uniforms, games you would be embarassed to bring grandparents to, parent child "pep talks" that would make psychologists cringe, a weekly competition for who can bring the more expensive food item for the banquet that goes half eaten (because clearly as lax parents we are well off). All for the low, low price of $3,000 and dragging your entire family to these tournaments for the best 9 weeks of weather that we have in the NE. I expect "its not for you, move on". I've moved on. Happily. Blissfully. Never to look backedly. I suggest you calculate how many summers you have between now and when junior heads off to Podunk on the 1/8th ride he earned for all of his sacrifice, and ask yourself if it is worth it. Is your ego that big, your desire for that car sticker and bragging rights that great? Has this cult turned us all into drones feeding the machine? Wake up. Play town, play school, play hoops, play soccer, take a vacation, take your kids to the beach. You are missing out.


If you were that happily and blissfully content you wouldn't have to bash something you just left. it's not for everyone. I'll give you that. but if your kid really loves it, it's all worth it. It would have been nice to get out of town every weekend as a kid. I actually envy mine. In a good way. our beaches are way overrated anyway.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can say that about any travel sport. For many, traveling as families with teammates over the years has been a great way to have fun with family and friends at the same time. We have been involved in hockey, soccer, lacrosse and a small basketball stint for travel and we have always built great memories. I think if you do your research, know the philosophy of the club and coach you are aligned with and it suits your family values and philosophy of youth sports it can be a great experience. I'd rather have my kids with my whole family traveling and with us on Friday and Saturdays than playing video games and wandering the streets with nothing to do but find trouble. We still find pools, beaches, movies etc in between and after games. We do spend a lot of money, but we enjoy it. Younger siblings grow with other siblings on the teams and very often end up playing together. Teammates become life long friends and enjoy rivalries when they play one another in HS match ups.

I may be the minority, or maybe we have fallen into the right teams/clubs over the years across various sports, but we truly enjoy the experiences and the memories made. If any of my kids decide to call it quits- they get to make that call, but we certainly would have a bank of fun times to look back on and many friendships to hold on to as well. To each their own.


well said. a lot of us feel exactly the same way but don't often articulate it as eloquently as you just did.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can say that about any travel sport. For many, traveling as families with teammates over the years has been a great way to have fun with family and friends at the same time. We have been involved in hockey, soccer, lacrosse and a small basketball stint for travel and we have always built great memories. I think if you do your research, know the philosophy of the club and coach you are aligned with and it suits your family values and philosophy of youth sports it can be a great experience. I'd rather have my kids with my whole family traveling and with us on Friday and Saturdays than playing video games and wandering the streets with nothing to do but find trouble. We still find pools, beaches, movies etc in between and after games. We do spend a lot of money, but we enjoy it. Younger siblings grow with other siblings on the teams and very often end up playing together. Teammates become life long friends and enjoy rivalries when they play one another in HS match ups.

I may be the minority, or maybe we have fallen into the right teams/clubs over the years across various sports, but we truly enjoy the experiences and the memories made. If any of my kids decide to call it quits- they get to make that call, but we certainly would have a bank of fun times to look back on and many friendships to hold on to as well. To each their own.


well said. a lot of us feel exactly the same way but don't often articulate it as eloquently as you just did.


Well said. Both of you.
I always find it funny when people have a bad experience with travel sports they feel the need to bash those that continue to do it.
I love travel lax and our family has so many great memories of our travel tournaments and all the excursions and adventures we incorporated into those trips.

If it's not for you feel free to not participate!!!
For those that participate please share your experiences "from the road". Trips that you made to tournaments that you incorporated side trips or excursions for example.
I feel free to not participate. But by your logic, only the "good" aspects of travel would be represented here. Those who found it to be a terrible experience should simply be quiet? Parents looking at programs shouldn't see another point of view? You must be in bed with one of these organizations that charges families $100 to try out for teams that really don't have open spots, and are just trolling to add a C team to make even more money- as the Outlaws obviously now are at this age group. "We won't field a C team. We will only out a quality product in the field". How laughable is that? If they have 16 bodies with a pulse they will have a third team. I am not picking on the Outlaws- they are just following 91 and Express blueprint to make more money.

Beyond this, these Programs have ALOT of problems. Read the initial thread if you are looking at Travel and want the truth from a parent who has been through it- not the Directors trolling here. Its not just time away during the Summer. These programs all talk about how they are looking to develop athletes with character. It is complete BS. These are for profit corporations that want to build winning reputations so they can field even more teams, making more money, selling easy, deep pocketed dupes the dream of D1 glory.
To not call these Directors out is to allow them to keep scamming parents. Every parent wants to think their kid could make it to the next level. These scammers prey on that and bilk $3,000 per year from the families. And before you tell me you do it for the love of the game- ask yourself if you see junior playing in college some day. The VAST majority of parents involved have unattainable college aspirations for their kids lacrosse career. These are stoked and taken advantage of by these Directors. They make it seem within reach.

See how prominently, and sometimes very inflatedly, they tout their "college commits". "100 in the past 3 years". How many of them played at the younger levels for them, and how many of them were recruited to play a single tournament, with the fee waved, so the organization could use their name?

Its no different that a penny stock broker pitching the explosive growth of a new issue. And in this case, they are one and same people.
Again, if you choose not to have your kid play, you don't have to. I do think your point if view is valid and sharing is important, but it isn't an absolute. As I stated earlier, our family has grown very close over the years as a unit and alongside many other families because of the amount of time we spend together, traveling and experiencing new places. We have been fortunate to have traveled to many states through our travel sports experiences. We have visited beaches, mountains, parks, museums, landmarks and numerous restaurants along the way. We have done so as a family, along with friends.

My kids have been in travel sports for more than a few years now. We have been with various clubs and coaches. Overall, we have had above avg experiences and cannot complain. My boys have played at different levels as well- at various points B, A, AA and that didn't change our experience either. I suspect the coach, the philosophy and the families made the experience worth doing. It is possible you've had a few bad experiences. It is possible that you prefer hanging at the beach or a golf club. That's okay- but it's not that travel lax is bad for everyone. Many friends not in the travel arena spend over 8-10 grand a summer on cabanas, their boats or sleep away camps. If that is what they prefer, that is fine and maybe for you it is too. My family spends less and experiences out summers enjoying the lax scene at different ages and the money spent is less than what others spend on their summer excursions or boat etc. my kids enjoy it, I don't feel ripped off, my kids are learning and growing. They play other sports and have good grades. I know many kids as such. I also believe there is a place for many of our kids to play in college. Will they all go D1- no. But there are many D-2 and D-3 schools looking for players as well. I know many people say that hardly any kids will go D1, well I can count more than a dozen kids committed to D1 schools just from our experiences within the last year and I suspect there will be many more coming. I do think it is possible, and not a pipe dream, but you have to be realistic about your kids grades, skills and personality. You don't necessarily need club lax to get committed, but it is another avenue to help you get there- whether it be D1-2 or 3. Take it for what it is and if it isn't for you that's okay, but for those that do find it to be a worthwhile experience, enjoy every second because it does go by in a blink of an eye.
To further add, this conversation reminded me of this letter. While the sport is hockey, it can pertain to any travel sport. However, it does share the sentiments that many of us feel for travel sports- the craziness, the glory, the tears- the good and bad. In the end it's not all about playing in college, but much more. Enjoy...

The Junior Hockey News
Covering The World Of Junior Hockey
A Fathers Letter To His Son At The End Of His Hockey Playing Career
Posted by Admin
This letter was sent to us by a player who received it from his Father. The player said one thing before attaching the letter; “this is what its all about.” I think that this is something that all of us hockey fathers will one day wish we have written to our sons:

Dear _______________________,

Has it really been 18 years since I first took you skating? It feels like it was yesterday. I can remember the very first time, and the look on your face as you struggled to balance on those skates.

Has it really been 16 seasons of watching you play? Where has the time gone, how many hundreds of hours have we spent at the rink and in the car? How many trips to Tim Hortons have we made?

I find it hard to believe now, that in a few short weeks it will all come to an end. The practices, the games, the trips to buy new gear in the summer, and all the camps.

While there is a part of me that is tremendously sad that it is ending, I would not trade the sadness I feel for anything in the world. I am sad not only because of the end, but because I know how you will feel a year from now.

While it would be easy for me to be selfish and complain about it ending, I can only hope you can find a way to replace what you have always known as routine. While you may be leaving the game as a competitive player, the game should always be a part of you. The memories you have should last a lifetime. The friends you have made will always be your friends.

Take these last games and relish every minute of them. Play with a passion that will allow you to let the game go as a player and remain full with the memories it has given you. Hockey may no longer consume you, but it will always be a part of you. As you walk away, know that one day you will come back.

This is a circle. It is a family thing. One day I hope you will experience the sadness I feel today with your own son. Why? Because there is joy behind the sadness.

Through this adventure we have taken as a family, you have grown into a man. A man that any parent would be proud of. You have a future, you understand rules, and you know what it is to be a team player. You have learned to give back, and you understand what it takes to push yourself beyond what you thought you could achieve.

My joy in having watched you grow into the person that you are today will outweigh the sadness of watching these last games knowing they will be the last. My joy will one day be in watching you tie your sons skates as you pass on this tradition.

I am proud of you. Thank you for allowing me to come along this journey with you. I wouldnt trade one minute of this experience for anything.

Dad





Travel lacrosse is not for everyone> Not every kid is going to get a scholarship. Not every kid is going to play D1. That is all true. But not every kid who takes piano lessons will play at Carnegie Hall. Not every girl taking dance lessons will Dance with the Rockettes.
Sometimes the kids just like playing lacrosse. Sometimes they like to play lacrosse in the spring as well as in the summer and winter. Why shouldn't they be able to? If there is a program that is willing to field a team, even for a profit, and it provides the child an opportunity to play whats the harm?
I am not a director but am a coach in both youth and High School. I have both A level players and B and C level. Why cant the "C" kid play in the summer? He doesn't need to win a national championship on TV to enjoy the game. His time isn't wasted if he doesn't develop into the next superstar. He is playing a game that he enjoys. There should be a place for him to play.
I didn't play pro. I did play DIII for a short period of time. I loved and still love the game. I still play in an over 40 league. These kids will hopefully have the opportunity to do the same.
Don't look at travel as a method to get something down the road. Look at it as a past time and a game to play. Have a realistic perspective and it is more fun. Stop asking if we are there yet and enjoy the ride and the scenery!

If a third team is coached and plays in level appropriate tournaments how is that a money grab? If the kids get to play and learn isn't that what it is there for? The slower kid with less than deadly stick skills should be able to play if he wants to. His parents should have the opportunity to watch him play. He should be able to go to a tournament in Hershey and hit the roller coasters with his friends afterward. You shouldn't need to commit to Hopkins in 8th grade to have fun in this game
I think both the original post and the rebuttal are well said. There are definitely parents who lose focus and make it not fun for the family, because they expect their kid to get a scholarship, and there are other parents who appreciate youth sports for what it truly should be. The travel scene is not for everyone, and that's OK.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Travel lacrosse is not for everyone> Not every kid is going to get a scholarship. Not every kid is going to play D1. That is all true. But not every kid who takes piano lessons will play at Carnegie Hall. Not every girl taking dance lessons will Dance with the Rockettes.
Sometimes the kids just like playing lacrosse. Sometimes they like to play lacrosse in the spring as well as in the summer and winter. Why shouldn't they be able to? If there is a program that is willing to field a team, even for a profit, and it provides the child an opportunity to play whats the harm?
I am not a director but am a coach in both youth and High School. I have both A level players and B and C level. Why cant the "C" kid play in the summer? He doesn't need to win a national championship on TV to enjoy the game. His time isn't wasted if he doesn't develop into the next superstar. He is playing a game that he enjoys. There should be a place for him to play.
I didn't play pro. I did play DIII for a short period of time. I loved and still love the game. I still play in an over 40 league. These kids will hopefully have the opportunity to do the same.
Don't look at travel as a method to get something down the road. Look at it as a past time and a game to play. Have a realistic perspective and it is more fun. Stop asking if we are there yet and enjoy the ride and the scenery!

If a third team is coached and plays in level appropriate tournaments how is that a money grab? If the kids get to play and learn isn't that what it is there for? The slower kid with less than deadly stick skills should be able to play if he wants to. His parents should have the opportunity to watch him play. He should be able to go to a tournament in Hershey and hit the roller coasters with his friends afterward. You shouldn't need to commit to Hopkins in 8th grade to have fun in this game
To add, if you think about for every stud, their are 5 very good players, for every good player there are 10 medicare players. I have always said their is more opportunity for B teams then AA or A. The best part os that becasue so many kids fit this level, you really dont even need to travel. Igloo, Outlaws and Legacy,, after they play each other twice then what ? But if you are a B team there are probably 25 clubs of your talent level including some good town teams I am surprised the business model has not focused mor eon this area. Just like there are mens over 40 leagues, many kids just play for fun and exercise and the team experience
Well said. Who is really expected to bring sashimi to a tournament? Took this year off from club ball and my son could not have been happier. The summer was great. Beach, Golf, real vacations and no pressure. Sounds like we didn't miss much. I heard from club parents how the kids roasted standing on some country corn field watching parents fight while still holding their Solo cups between running up and down the turnpike. I am sure the elevator tag gets old and so does my $200 tab at every meal (Why am I paying for your wife and kids family vacation meals?). Don't miss the pyscho coaches, overzealous parents and traffic on the Outerbridge. Thanks to dropping club lacrosse my son got to go to camp and play basketball this year while I saved whatever the "scholarship" would amount too.
No offense, I would not want to spend my family vacation traveling with some annoying family whose sole common interest was 7th grade lacrosse and getting drunk at the pool. Or the field. I certainly would not want to pay for it. And stop taking the other 3 screaming kids. There, I said it.
Thank you to the person who posted that letter earlier today from the dad to his son who was finishing up on his hockey playing days. Im a 40+ father of multiple boys that play sports and competitive as anythhing. Call me a big mush but reading it made me teary eyed. That letter is what its all about so thx again for sharing.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well said. Who is really expected to bring sashimi to a tournament? Took this year off from club ball and my son could not have been happier. The summer was great. Beach, Golf, real vacations and no pressure. Sounds like we didn't miss much. I heard from club parents how the kids roasted standing on some country corn field watching parents fight while still holding their Solo cups between running up and down the turnpike. I am sure the elevator tag gets old and so does my $200 tab at every meal (Why am I paying for your wife and kids family vacation meals?). Don't miss the pyscho coaches, overzealous parents and traffic on the Outerbridge. Thanks to dropping club lacrosse my son got to go to camp and play basketball this year while I saved whatever the "scholarship" would amount too.


Fair enough. But may I ask why, if you've been out of travel lacrosse for a year, and your life is so much better since you've left, why are you still reading and posting on a travel lacrosse page?
It was one of the wisest things I have ever seen posted on this site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thank you to the person who posted that letter earlier today from the dad to his son who was finishing up on his hockey playing days. Im a 40+ father of multiple boys that play sports and competitive as anythhing. Call me a big mush but reading it made me teary eyed. That letter is what its all about so thx again for sharing.
Lets be honest, sports is about winning and losing. If your unhappy your child doesn't play enough work harder. I too am tired of everyone bashing this wonderful sport that I played in over the 30 years ago. If you want a trophy for showing up play for Obama and the liberals. Working hard will make you better and prepare you for life. That's it!!!
Originally Posted by Tycotian
Lets be honest, sports is about winning and losing. If your unhappy your child doesn't play enough work harder. I too am tired of everyone bashing this wonderful sport that I played in over the 30 years ago. If you want a trophy for showing up play for Obama and the liberals. Working hard will make you better and prepare you for life. That's it!!!
Its all about winning and losing ? BS, when I throw equipment on and bring my relic of stick out once on a while to play in an over 40 game its not to win
Yes it is a lesson in life, my kid driving home after one game, and
Said to me that he is better then some of the kids that
Play more then him. I told him your right, but I told him just like at my job
Some people are very friendly with the boss/coach. So he gives them more pppporunity.
He works hard it's my wife and I that have to suck up more.
That is sad, and what people are sick of doing.nr7
Thank you Mr. Trump. Your comments sort of make my point.

No one is bashing lacrosse. Its a great sport- maybe the best.

What I and others are bashing, are the elements that are making it less of a game and more of an occupation. Can the travel experience be good- of course it can. Many of you have detailed that. However, increasingly it is NOT a good experience. The tide is turning, and doing so due to some peoples' recognition that they can make alot of money selling D1 hope. That cancer trickles down to all levels of lacrosse.

Their certainly is a market for B teams, for kids who want to play. Problem is, no parent on the B team doesnt want their kid on the A team, so there is no place for a kid to avoid the insanity.
And the absolute worst situation are the B level teams that aspire to be AA. I have never seen a B level coach who was happy at B. They all want a seat at the table. They all want to think their kid has a chance at D1, and therefore must play on an AA team. Just work harder. Play more. Toughen up. Shake off the conwebs and get back in there. See where I am going with this...

Reality- most kids who play D1 have natural ability that is uncommon. Its not enough to get them to D1, but too many parents in this scene think their kid has the talent and just needs to play more, work harder and buy into the travel
Mess.
It's a delicate balance as to playing time. I've got one son who got minimal playing time for a couple years. He was OK with it, because he loved the team and thought the three guys ahead of him were better. What got tougher was after he had a breakout school season and then did well as a guest player for another program (at a sibling's tournament). Still saw himself behind those 3 guys, but not really behind some new kids added for seemingly money or political reasons. I'm a 2021 coach and I think it's important for parents to tell their kids to work harder and implement what the coaches tell them if they want to play more, not sympathize with their kids wanting to play more. But obviously every situation is different and if - trying to be as objective as possible - you think the coach is not allocating PT for the best interest of the team, find a coach whose motivations you trust.

Not sure I understand the comments above regarding B teams. I think it's foolish, of course, to think you have D1 material at the 2021 level and, much worse, it's horribly dangerous to send a kid back into the game that might have a concussion.

That said, it's a good thing to play teams a level up from you now and then. Ideally, I think you play a team you can "run with" even if the score ends up 10-3. You have so many teaching points at practice the next week. And, yes, you tell the kids they need to work harder on their stick skills and in practice if they want to play at a higher level. Of course better teams are more athletic, but better teams also invariably have better stick skills and even B players can raise their stick skills to an A level through hard work. And making that "one more" pass or passing when you draw the slide or moving the ball quickly to the backside are all things B players can learn, even though B "teams" don't do those things (at 2021). Especially from outside Md and NY, your team may think they are hot stuff, but they can't even beat a B team from LI. With hard work, I think teams can step it up a notch every season, though I agree you aren't going to get to AA without high level coaching and AA and A athletes - hard-working B players fall apart against AA players.
Suggestion to the mods. If possible, make this a different thread since it's good conversation and is buried under the boys 2021 thread, and just start a new 2021 thread.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Suggestion to the mods. If possible, make this a different thread since it's good conversation and is buried under the boys 2021 thread, and just start a new 2021 thread.


I am not sure why this thread will not suffice.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thank you Mr. Trump. Your comments sort of make my point.

No one is bashing lacrosse. Its a great sport- maybe the best.

What I and others are bashing, are the elements that are making it less of a game and more of an occupation. Can the travel experience be good- of course it can. Many of you have detailed that. However, increasingly it is NOT a good experience. The tide is turning, and doing so due to some peoples' recognition that they can make alot of money selling D1 hope. That cancer trickles down to all levels of lacrosse.

Their certainly is a market for B teams, for kids who want to play. Problem is, no parent on the B team doesnt want their kid on the A team, so there is no place for a kid to avoid the insanity.


What you describe is bad parenting not a problem with travel lacrosse. If you want to be on an A or especially an AA team expect year round commitment. Expect playing time based on ability and performance and expect, if your son is not one of the top performers to be upset with the playing time and the turnpike and the splitting of the bill at a team dinner.
If your son is a "B" player, let him play appropriate level lacrosse with less traveling and more even playing time. If your son is a sstud and you are not happy with the over the top commitment for a top team, play on a different team and be a stud. Just don't be upset when all your teammates are not equal caliber players.
Just being good enough to make the top team does not mean you need to play for that team. Find your happy spot and play there. You may not be able to have your cake and eat it too. You cant play top level and complain about all that goes into it. You cant play on the top teams if you are not over the top in both your, and your son's love of the game. If it is a chore to do it it is work and not a game. If that is the case you are doing neither you or your son any favors. He may develop that love down the road but if he doesnt have it at 12 and you are forcing him to he will never develop it. If he does and you are the sour puss, suck it up and do it for him or dont it's your choice as a parent.
Anyone know anything about the Bluefish for this age group. For the prices they are charging and tryout dated it Appears they may have a core group of kids that they know will be on the team. Anyone know if they have players already for 2021. Anyone have any info on this team other than what is posted on the Internet.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know anything about the Bluefish for this age group. For the prices they are charging and tryout dated it Appears they may have a core group of kids that they know will be on the team. Anyone know if they have players already for 2021. Anyone have any info on this team other than what is posted on the Internet.
IS this the old Jr Lizards ?
[quote=Anonymous]Thank you Mr. Trump. Your comments sort of make my point.

No one is bashing lacrosse. Its a great sport- maybe the best.

What I and others are bashing, are the elements that are making it less of a game and more of an occupation. Can the travel experience be good- of course it can. Many of you have detailed that. However, increasingly it is NOT a good experience. The tide is turning, and doing so due to some peoples' recognition that they can make alot of money selling D1 hope. That cancer trickles down to all levels of lacrosse.

Their certainly is a market for B teams, for kids who want to play. Problem is, no parent on the B team doesnt want their kid on the A team, so there is no place for a kid to avoid the insanity. [/quote


you cant have it both ways. You accept your child thrives on B or struggles on A. Its your choice. No one is breaking anyones arm. Only a small percentage go to D1. Everyone should know that. If you feel you were sold a bag of goods maybe you weren't being realistic from the beginning.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes it is a lesson in life, my kid driving home after one game, and
Said to me that he is better then some of the kids that
Play more then him. I told him your right, but I told him just like at my job
Some people are very friendly with the boss/coach. So he gives them more pppporunity.
He works hard it's my wife and I that have to suck up more.
That is sad, and what people are sick of doing.nr7

yes, but the beauty of it is you have other choices.
anyone heard how the Rising Son team in Philadelphia broke up?? they are calling teams to merge because their kids left the program!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
anyone heard how the Rising Son team in Philadelphia broke up?? they are calling teams to merge because their kids left the program!!



STOP WITH YOUR LIES!!!!!!
Nope, not true at all. They will be stronger than ever this year at all age groups.
Those who want to know who is coaching the team and what location practices are in

Long Island Bengals

Massapequa/Bellmore/Merrick

Gary Levitan - Director and Head Coach 2021 Boys Team

Occupation

Physical Education Teacher in Plainedge School District (1999 - Present)
Coaching

Plainedge High School Head Coach 1999-2014
Over 150 Wins (Most in school history)
Big Four Champions 2007 and 2008
Most Improved Team Award 1999
3 US Lacrosse All-Americans
2 US Lacrosse Scholar All-Americans
Mamaroneck High School Head Coach 1998
Checkmate Lacrosse Camp 1996-2006
Lutheran High School Head Coach 1994-1997
Started program in 1994
Metro Coach of the Year 1996
Metro League Champions 1996
Director of LuHi Lacrosse Camp 1994-1997

Would be great if the teams posted all of their coaches coaching resumes.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Would be great if the teams posted all of their coaches coaching resumes.


While resumes can certainly attract families/players, I think that while they may be impressive, they do not speak to whether they are actually able to coach younger kids. You can be a great college or HS coach, but have no ability to relate to the younger set. It is a whole different ball game of skills, including a lot of patience, management, extra sensitivity and fairness. I think reaching out to former families to get a wide view of opinions about philosophy, playing time, practice and game expectations etc are very important too.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Would be great if the teams posted all of their coaches coaching resumes.


While resumes can certainly attract families/players, I think that while they may be impressive, they do not speak to whether they are actually able to coach younger kids. You can be a great college or HS coach, but have no ability to relate to the younger set. It is a whole different ball game of skills, including a lot of patience, management, extra sensitivity and fairness. I think reaching out to former families to get a wide view of opinions about philosophy, playing time, practice and game expectations etc are very important too.


LI Bengals coaches are all teachers as well. So they know how to relate to child and parent
Originally Posted by Anonymous
anyone heard how the Rising Son team in Philadelphia broke up?? they are calling teams to merge because their kids left the program!!
heard that they are retooling to compete in Denver for the wsyl
Is the Outlaw Black 2021 an AA or A team? I saw they are looking to do a select team, buts kinda confused as to how they're labeling them.
how many kids showed up for the outlaws 2021 tryouts? how was the tryout run? organized? or was it a mess?
55-60 kids at 1 st out law try out - select top team - black 2 nd team which is coached by Bonn from cold spring
So Bonn left as assistant coaching Silver with that Sullivan (?) guy head coach and is heading out Black, or is Sullivan (?) really the head coach of this and Bonn still assisting?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
55-60 kids at 1 st out law try out - select top team - black 2 nd team which is coached by Bonn from cold spring


thank you for the information.

i thought the outlaws are running 3 teams at 2021. are they running only two?

is the talent at 2021 available to them high enough for them to run a decent AA team?
can someone please comment on the Express Program? I am trying to figure out if it is a team that would be a good fit for my son. What tournaments do they play in? how many practices do they have in the fall and winter? how many teams do they run at this age level? how many kids try out for this team? how many slots are truly open? what are the 2021 coaches like? thank you
Originally Posted by Anonymous
can someone please comment on the Express Program? I am trying to figure out if it is a team that would be a good fit for my son. What tournaments do they play in? how many practices do they have in the fall and winter? how many teams do they run at this age level? how many kids try out for this team? how many slots are truly open? what are the 2021 coaches like? thank you


Before you start listening to all kinds of bull, I suggest you go to their tryout flyer and email Jill.
Very well said
A friend of my son's plays for Express and loves it. As a matter of fact, he has friends that play for many of these teams, and most of them are having a blast, and the parents keep going back and having fun. I would go check it out and talk to the parents who have played there.
Many Igloo kids at different try out over the last four days. Are they leaving Igloo or just leaving options open?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Many Igloo kids at different try out over the last four days. Are they leaving Igloo or just leaving options open?
igloo is loading up, they have to make it to Denver for wsyl
How were the numbers at tryout?



Originally Posted by Anonymous
A friend of my son's plays for Express and loves it. As a matter of fact, he has friends that play for many of these teams, and most of them are having a blast, and the parents keep going back and having fun. I would go check it out and talk to the parents who have played there.
I have only been to Outlaws (50-60) Not going to tryout for every team out there.
Although I was not there I heard Express had about 50 kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How were the numbers at tryout?



Originally Posted by Anonymous
A friend of my son's plays for Express and loves it. As a matter of fact, he has friends that play for many of these teams, and most of them are having a blast, and the parents keep going back and having fun. I would go check it out and talk to the parents who have played there.
Similar showing as Outlaws, around 5-60

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Although I was not there I heard Express had about 50 kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How were the numbers at tryout?



Originally Posted by Anonymous
A friend of my son's plays for Express and loves it. As a matter of fact, he has friends that play for many of these teams, and most of them are having a blast, and the parents keep going back and having fun. I would go check it out and talk to the parents who have played there.
Yes heard last couple of years it was close to 100 at tryouts for 2021 , Express has been declining , and was told the talent pool was not there either this past week. Express has become a rotisserie for travel . Parents are realizing the organization and more so MC doesn't care about you and your kid after the money has been collected , He is concerned about every kid before tryouts till Winter , they give you minimum for maximum $ , And the whole catholic school myth is also a crock . If your kids better then a Express Player he is going to play over him period !


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Although I was not there I heard Express had about 50 kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How were the numbers at tryout?



Originally Posted by Anonymous
A friend of my son's plays for Express and loves it. As a matter of fact, he has friends that play for many of these teams, and most of them are having a blast, and the parents keep going back and having fun. I would go check it out and talk to the parents who have played there.
How were Igloo tryouts? Rich getting richer? A chance to play on ESPN2 next Summer has got to be a big pull.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How were Igloo tryouts? Rich getting richer? A chance to play on ESPN2 next Summer has got to be a big pull.


next week
I would imagine like last year there will be a lot of kids with great talent at Igloo try outs and then a big drop in talent. Last year when those great talented kids found out they only made the B team they went to other clubs leaving the second team with mostly kids where the talent dropped. Still good players but a big drop in talent. Expect the same this year. There have been a lot of Igloo kids at a few of the tryouts this year from the second team so we will see if the second team could get a competitive team this year. Last year they were very good for a first year team maybe not A but very close. It is hard to keep second teams with talent together. The Cudas are a perfect example of that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How were Igloo tryouts? Rich getting richer? A chance to play on ESPN2 next Summer has got to be a big pull.
are there any tune up clincs, or general invitation practices available for 2021 players to help get prepared for tryouts? if so when, where? thank you.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
are there any tune up clincs, or general invitation practices available for 2021 players to help get prepared for tryouts? if so when, where? thank you.


It's too late for that. 2021 is halfway thru tryouts for 3-4 of the main teams.

Preparation for tryouts (or tryout preseason) happens at the start of May and during summer ball, so the young athlete can finish strong and be remembered at tryouts a few weeks later. It's like riding a bike, nothing will be forgotten in a three week hiatus, and a last minute clinic is not going to bring him to the next level.

A few weeks off and the stick away in order to be a kid and enjoy summer is the best reset button or refresher.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
are there any tune up clincs, or general invitation practices available for 2021 players to help get prepared for tryouts? if so when, where? thank you.


Go to other try outs for reps and plays. That is one way to get your kid warmed up and gauge the talent on other teams. It helps you get a realistic view on where you kid may belong, as long as you do not mind spending the money for the try outs.
what tournaments will 2021 express be playing in this upcoming season? if there is an a and a b team, which tournaments will each team be playing in? if this is unknown, what tournaments did they play in last season?

thank you
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what tournaments will 2021 express be playing in this upcoming season? if there is an a and a b team, which tournaments will each team be playing in? if this is unknown, what tournaments did they play in last season?

thank you


You need Kreskin to answer this question.
can anyone please CONSTRUCTIVELY tell me about legacy 2021? hoping for useful answers, my son is considering trying out for them. thank you.
Three teams. Blue Knights is the A team. It is an A- team and very close to A. When they had the Express Wolves playing with them in the fall they were a solid A team. Needs some top players to be A. The second team is a solid B team. Not B plus yet. But a better B team. Don't know about the third team or how much any team practices. I don't know if they still bring in the Wolves for games. That would be a concern. They had a lot of conflicts in the summer so the wolves could not play with them. Probably not a bad choice compared to other A and B teams out there but not great either. Good luck.



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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three teams. Blue Knights is the A team. It is an A- team and very close to A. When they had the Express Wolves playing with them in the fall they were a solid A team. Needs some top players to be A. The second team is a solid B team. Not B plus yet. But a better B team. Don't know about the third team or how much any team practices. I don't know if they still bring in the Wolves for games. That would be a concern. They had a lot of conflicts in the summer so the wolves could not play with them. Probably not a bad choice compared to other A and B teams out there but not great either. Good luck.


Blue Knights cannot beat either Igloo team, Express, 91, ICON or Team Long Island. They are not an A team.


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Bold statement. Blue Knights tied igloo B then lost in a brave heart. I guess that means blue knight "cannot beat" them ever. They Tied igloo the second time they played. Blue Knights beat the turtles and igloo B lost to the turtles 9-2 the same day. Legacy beat the jesters by a lot and igloo lost to the jesters. Jesters beat team Long Island and igloo B lost to team Long Island by a lot. You can not say blue nights "cannot" beat igloo B. Igloo B and legacy are A- maybe B plus. Neither are A. If the jesters could beat igloo B and team Long Island so can legacy. Read the post again it does not say blue knights are A.




Blue Knights cannot beat either Igloo team, Express, 91, ICON or Team Long Island. They are not an A team.


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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bold statement. Blue Knights tied igloo B then lost in a brave heart. I guess that means blue knight "cannot beat" them ever. They Tied igloo the second time they played. Blue Knights beat the turtles and igloo B lost to the turtles 9-2 the same day. Legacy beat the jesters by a lot and igloo lost to the jesters. Jesters beat team Long Island and igloo B lost to team Long Island by a lot. You can not say blue nights "cannot" beat igloo B. Igloo B and legacy are A- maybe B plus. Neither are A. If the jesters could beat igloo B and team Long Island so can legacy. Read the post again it does not say blue knights are A.




Blue Knights cannot beat either Igloo team, Express, 91, ICON or Team Long Island. They are not an A team.
Blue Knights lost to TLI by a fair amount.

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thank you for your very helpful comments. how is the quality of the coaching?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three teams. Blue Knights is the A team. It is an A- team and very close to A. When they had the Express Wolves playing with them in the fall they were a solid A team. Needs some top players to be A. The second team is a solid B team. Not B plus yet. But a better B team. Don't know about the third team or how much any team practices. I don't know if they still bring in the Wolves for games. That would be a concern. They had a lot of conflicts in the summer so the wolves could not play with them. Probably not a bad choice compared to other A and B teams out there but not great either. Good luck.



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We have been a part of a couple of clubs over the past 9 years with our three boys. Two of which are now playing in college. I can say from experience and with much enthusiasm that Legacy is by far the most organized club. The coaching is great and the directors are very approachable and friendly. The level of play is also very high.
We would recommend this club to anyone looking for a great club experience both for your son and you. Good luck.

I know nothing about the coaching or the number of practices. Every kid is different when it comes to coaching. So there is no one answer for that. Some kids need a tough coach some would quit with a tough coach. I don't know the coach. Call the director and ask questions. Try and find parents on the team or know people on the team. When my sons team played them they seemed organized but I really don't know. Return rate will help you a lot. When you go to tryout if it is mostly legacy helmets there that is a good sign. If there is a lot of open spaces that means kids left and that is never good. Go to all the teams tryouts. It is worth going. I hear good and bad about legacy. I have not seen anything terrible except them bringing the wolves kids on to play some games. If they still do that you may want to keep away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

thank you for your very helpful comments. how is the quality of the coaching?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three teams. Blue Knights is the A team. It is an A- team and very close to A. When they had the Express Wolves playing with them in the fall they were a solid A team. Needs some top players to be A. The second team is a solid B team. Not B plus yet. But a better B team. Don't know about the third team or how much any team practices. I don't know if they still bring in the Wolves for games. That would be a concern. They had a lot of conflicts in the summer so the wolves could not play with them. Probably not a bad choice compared to other A and B teams out there but not great either. Good luck.



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Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know nothing about the coaching or the number of practices. Every kid is different when it comes to coaching. So there is no one answer for that. Some kids need a tough coach some would quit with a tough coach. I don't know the coach. Call the director and ask questions. Try and find parents on the team or know people on the team. When my sons team played them they seemed organized but I really don't know. Return rate will help you a lot. When you go to tryout if it is mostly legacy helmets there that is a good sign. If there is a lot of open spaces that means kids left and that is never good. Go to all the teams tryouts. It is worth going. I hear good and bad about legacy. I have not seen anything terrible except them bringing the wolves kids on to play some games. If they still do that you may want to keep away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

thank you for your very helpful comments. how is the quality of the coaching?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three teams. Blue Knights is the A team. It is an A- team and very close to A. When they had the Express Wolves playing with them in the fall they were a solid A team. Needs some top players to be A. The second team is a solid B team. Not B plus yet. But a better B team. Don't know about the third team or how much any team practices. I don't know if they still bring in the Wolves for games. That would be a concern. They had a lot of conflicts in the summer so the wolves could not play with them. Probably not a bad choice compared to other A and B teams out there but not great either. Good luck.



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Having a few kids myself, experiencing various clubs in different ages, I would say it has much less to do with the actual club and a lot more to do with the coaches. The club may take the money and post on the website, but the coaches, their philosophy, their pick of tournaments, and the way they run, schedule and communicate about practices, scrimmages and competitive games. Ask to speak to the coach and get these questions answered before you give 2-3 grand to a club. A travel sport can become a miserable experience if you find you dislike a coach and how he interacts with his families and players. Asking other families on that team is another way to learn more, but just remember, not everyone values the same experiences. Good luck to your son.
Legacy Blue Knight beat Team Long Island in the fall but they had the best Express players playing with them that day. I agree TLI is better but you can't say Legacy can't ever beat them.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bold statement. Blue Knights tied igloo B then lost in a brave heart. I guess that means blue knight "cannot beat" them ever. They Tied igloo the second time they played. Blue Knights beat the turtles and igloo B lost to the turtles 9-2 the same day. Legacy beat the jesters by a lot and igloo lost to the jesters. Jesters beat team Long Island and igloo B lost to team Long Island by a lot. You can not say blue nights "cannot" beat igloo B. Igloo B and legacy are A- maybe B plus. Neither are A. If the jesters could beat igloo B and team Long Island so can legacy. Read the post again it does not say blue knights are A.




Blue Knights cannot beat either Igloo team, Express, 91, ICON or Team Long Island. They are not an A team.


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Did anyone go the Bluefish tryout yesterday? If yes, how did it go?
It was a well ran tryout, lots of Hofstra players doing evals. Tierney and other big names were bouncing around between 3 groups. but overall a good tryout, ran practice style.
Great post K
Can anybody tell me if their is it a big jump for your son going from 6th to 7th grade in the lacrosse world?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anybody tell me if their is it a big jump for your son going from 6th to 7th grade in the lacrosse world?


Yes, it's huge! Especially if he plays u13, which he may have to in age based tournaments because there is no u12. This is where you run into kids in full puberty as well as holbacks, and of course the dreaded double holdback!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anybody tell me if their is it a big jump for your son going from 6th to 7th grade in the lacrosse world?


Well if you listen to the holdback whiners, it must be the equivalent of going from hitting a baseball in little league to trying to hit off Clayton Kershaw
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anybody tell me if their is it a big jump for your son going from 6th to 7th grade in the lacrosse world?


Well if you listen to the holdback whiners, it must be the equivalent of going from hitting a baseball in little league to trying to hit off Clayton Kershaw



Reality is, holdback or not, in that puberty range it's a big deal. You often will have a young 7th grader (Turns 12 in August) playing against an older 7th grader (turns 13 in September). That's the difference between a little boy and a young man and you can see it on the field immediately not only in terms of size but just how they move. The younger boy is often disadvantaged during this period.
Interesting tryout season so far. The best 2021 teams meaning B plus, A and AA will be filled by sept 1. After that only B and C teams will have spots open or having first tryouts. The chances of a team improving out of the B level is almost impossible this year given all the best teams tried out together and the best kids are taken. For those looking for the best B teams where should they go?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interesting tryout season so far. The best 2021 teams meaning B plus, A and AA will be filled by sept 1. After that only B and C teams will have spots open or having first tryouts. The chances of a team improving out of the B level is almost impossible this year given all the best teams tried out together and the best kids are taken. For those looking for the best B teams where should they go?


You mean A teams in B programs (or startups like Bluefish), and I think that teams may pick up the kids who Igloo doesn't take on the A team. So then you have parents who rightly (or not) don't want the B team experience, they are the available kids.
would someone please be kind enough to comment on what they know about Millon Force at this age group, and whether they are organized well?

im not looking to label the team a b or c, but would rather know whether the teams they play are evenly matched, or does millon get blown out frequently, or do they run up a score on other teams frequently?

how is the quality of the coaching?


thank you, in advance, for any helpful information.

Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile
The kids igloo does not take on their Black ice team will just go back to the team they played for last year or a team they aready made this year with a spot held for them. They will not play on a b to b plus team like avelanche. There will not be too many of those players. Everyone know by now if the igloo director has not asked your kid to try out for Black ice the chances of making that team is almost zero. So this weeks tryouts is really for the avelanche team which last year had a buch of B level players and had half its teams at other try outs this year and may have already commited to other teams. I doubt igloo tryout left overs will have any A players looking for a team.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interesting tryout season so far. The best 2021 teams meaning B plus, A and AA will be filled by sept 1. After that only B and C teams will have spots open or having first tryouts. The chances of a team improving out of the B level is almost impossible this year given all the best teams tried out together and the best kids are taken. For those looking for the best B teams where should they go?


You mean A teams in B programs (or startups like Bluefish), and I think that teams may pick up the kids who Igloo doesn't take on the A team. So then you have parents who rightly (or not) don't want the B team experience, they are the available kids.
I coach PAL for this age group and pushed many of my boys who wanted to play travel for the first time to go there. A few of my boys play for them, and get better every year, have fun, and keep going back for more. It would be frustrating for an exceptional player, but for an average to above average player it is great.
My friends son plays for them. He has spoken very highly about this team. The coaches run excellnt practices and he saw tremendous improvement. I understand they play in appropriate level at local tourneys so arent blowing out teams or getting blown out by 20. He is happy with the team for his son
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile


Are you serious? Having another team play well and compete would make people want to jump ship! to where? who else has been as dominant or has the track record? are you really suggesting one close game would scare people away?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anybody tell me if their is it a big jump for your son going from 6th to 7th grade in the lacrosse world?


From a 30,000 ft look as a parent on the sidelines, for the next few years there is a big difference in the play from 6th to 7th again up to 8th then another big jump at 10th. All really maturity rate driven, then at 10th wow mind and body on many of these boys are amazing.

My son has played up each step of the way as well as play on age. and yes the hold back issue, is an issue you will see. but my son says it is all the same outside of that one player that's lights out. He says you start realizing a team concept is the best method of play. Where Lax IQ and physical conditioning is very important.

THEY CANT EVER BEAT TEAM LI! TLI thumped the Blue Knights 8-0 this Summer. It was never close. You cannot compare the two!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy Blue Knight beat Team Long Island in the fall but they had the best Express players playing with them that day. I agree TLI is better but you can't say Legacy can't ever beat them.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bold statement. Blue Knights tied igloo B then lost in a brave heart. I guess that means blue knight "cannot beat" them ever. They Tied igloo the second time they played. Blue Knights beat the turtles and igloo B lost to the turtles 9-2 the same day. Legacy beat the jesters by a lot and igloo lost to the jesters. Jesters beat team Long Island and igloo B lost to team Long Island by a lot. You can not say blue nights "cannot" beat igloo B. Igloo B and legacy are A- maybe B plus. Neither are A. If the jesters could beat igloo B and team Long Island so can legacy. Read the post again it does not say blue knights are A.




Blue Knights cannot beat either Igloo team, Express, 91, ICON or Team Long Island. They are not an A team.


quote=Anonymous]can anyone please CONSTRUCTIVELY tell me about legacy 2021? hoping for useful answers, my son is considering trying out for them. thank you.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
THEY CANT EVER BEAT TEAM LI! TLI thumped the Blue Knights 8-0 this Summer. It was never close. You cannot compare the two!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy Blue Knight beat Team Long Island in the fall but they had the best Express players playing with them that day. I agree TLI is better but you can't say Legacy can't ever beat them.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bold statement. Blue Knights tied igloo B then lost in a brave heart. I guess that means blue knight "cannot beat" them ever. They Tied igloo the second time they played. Blue Knights beat the turtles and igloo B lost to the turtles 9-2 the same day. Legacy beat the jesters by a lot and igloo lost to the jesters. Jesters beat team Long Island and igloo B lost to team Long Island by a lot. You can not say blue nights "cannot" beat igloo B. Igloo B and legacy are A- maybe B plus. Neither are A. If the jesters could beat igloo B and team Long Island so can legacy. Read the post again it does not say blue knights are A.




Blue Knights cannot beat either Igloo team, Express, 91, ICON or Team Long Island. They are not an A team.


quote=Anonymous]can anyone please CONSTRUCTIVELY tell me about legacy 2021? hoping for useful answers, my son is considering trying out for them. thank you.
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True...however does that TLI team still exist? Heard most of that team was going to Empire.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile


YOU ARE OUT OF YOU MIND !!! One close game against a very good team who is very well coach and people are jumping ship you are really funny. Black Ice has not lost a tournament in 2 years and they are something like 90-3 in last 3 years____COM'ON MAN ......YOU MADE MY DAY smile
To clear things up. The many 2021 Igloo kids seen at different try outs were not from Black Ice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile


YOU ARE OUT OF YOU MIND !!! One close game against a very good team who is very well coach and people are jumping ship you are really funny. Black Ice has not lost a tournament in 2 years and they are something like 90-3 in last 3 years____COM'ON MAN ......YOU MADE MY DAY smile
You are incorrect.....There was 1, yes 1 player on the TLI team that this applies to, although he was a younger kid. 99% of that team is 2021. FACT.


Originally Posted by Anonymous



True...however does that TLI team still exist? Heard most of that team was going to Empire.
[/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To clear things up. The many 2021 Igloo kids seen at different try outs were not from Black Ice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile

even the majority of the Avalanche team was very happy with the exception of a few who thought they were better then
YOU ARE OUT OF YOU MIND !!! One close game against a very good team who is very well coach and people are jumping ship you are really funny. Black Ice has not lost a tournament in 2 years and they are something like 90-3 in last 3 years____COM'ON MAN ......YOU MADE MY DAY smile
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are incorrect.....There was 1, yes 1 player on the TLI team that this applies to, although he was a younger kid. 99% of that team is 2021. FACT.


Originally Posted by Anonymous



True...however does that TLI team still exist? Heard most of that team was going to Empire.
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This is truly a question, not a dig- if TLI is a very capable team, why don't we see them at more tournaments against the better competition? I ask not just of this team, but all age groups.
That's why they are leaving TLI, to have the opportunity to play against better competition in better tournaments.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are incorrect.....There was 1, yes 1 player on the TLI team that this applies to, although he was a younger kid. 99% of that team is 2021. FACT.


Originally Posted by Anonymous


True...however does that TLI team still exist? Heard most of that team was going to Empire.


This is truly a question, not a dig- if TLI is a very capable team, why don't we see them at more tournaments against the better competition? I ask not just of this team, but all age groups. [/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are incorrect.....There was 1, yes 1 player on the TLI team that this applies to, although he was a younger kid. 99% of that team is 2021. FACT.


Originally Posted by Anonymous


True...however does that TLI team still exist? Heard most of that team was going to Empire.


This is truly a question, not a dig- if TLI is a very capable team, why don't we see them at more tournaments against the better competition? I ask not just of this team, but all age groups. [/quote]

It is an age-based org and therefore tries to play in age-based tourneys of which they are apart of something called the Passport Allianace which is comprised of other like-minded teams. While they are often criticized for multi-grade kids on a team, their teams are age appropriate.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To clear things up. The many 2021 Igloo kids seen at different try outs were not from Black Ice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile


YOU ARE OUT OF YOU MIND !!! One close game against a very good team who is very well coach and people are jumping ship you are really funny. Black Ice has not lost a tournament in 2 years and they are something like 90-3 in last 3 years____COM'ON MAN ......YOU MADE MY DAY smile
90-3, how would you know that? Who keeps crazy stats like that at this age?
You say "the majority of the Avalanche team was very happy with the exception of a few who thought they were better". If that is true why is it that at least half of Igloo Avalanche kids are being seen at tryouts all over the place? The kids seen at tryouts are the better kids. Those are the ones wearing Igloo helmets. There could be more who are not wearing Igloo helmets. It may be that they all come back to Igloo this season but it won't be because they want to be there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To clear things up. The many 2021 Igloo kids seen at different try outs were not from Black Ice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile

even the majority of the Avalanche team was very happy with the exception of a few who thought they were better then
YOU ARE OUT OF YOU MIND !!! One close game against a very good team who is very well coach and people are jumping ship you are really funny. Black Ice has not lost a tournament in 2 years and they are something like 90-3 in last 3 years____COM'ON MAN ......YOU MADE MY DAY smile
Black Ice picks and chooses when they play. If they are missing 1 or 2 certain kids they back out of tournaments, games and scrimmages. They ONLY play with all the key players. They are afraid to play without one or two kids. No other team does this. Teams play with who ever shows up but not Black Ice. Igloo Black Ice also has 2020 kids but play in 2021 tournaments. They avoid Crush. Both Crush and Black Ice are technically 2020 teams for the past 3 years. This past season they played less than they have in the past. They had more one goal games this year and more close games. Less blow outs. This could explain why they are not playing as much. Play less to keep a perfect record. This hurts the kids and helps the program reputation. That may be why everyone is catching up to them and they find themselves in closer games and many more one goal games. If you don't play that much and everyone else is playing more the team and individuals won't improve as much as the rest. Until they play Crush (and other state 2020 top teams), play more often and play when certain kids are not able to make it is hard to respect the 90-3 record.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To clear things up. The many 2021 Igloo kids seen at different try outs were not from Black Ice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile


YOU ARE OUT OF YOU MIND !!! One close game against a very good team who is very well coach and people are jumping ship you are really funny. Black Ice has not lost a tournament in 2 years and they are something like 90-3 in last 3 years____COM'ON MAN ......YOU MADE MY DAY smile
90-3, how would you know that? Who keeps crazy stats like that at this age?
So, your child has only ever tried out for one team? Do you see an issue with YOUR son trying out for another team even if he's happy with Express? Or would you advise your son NOT to tryout for another team as a 'plan B' option in the event he might not make his current team again? I think it's wise to always have a fallback option.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You say "the majority of the Avalanche team was very happy with the exception of a few who thought they were better". If that is true why is it that at least half of Igloo Avalanche kids are being seen at tryouts all over the place? The kids seen at tryouts are the better kids. Those are the ones wearing Igloo helmets. There could be more who are not wearing Igloo helmets. It may be that they all come back to Igloo this season but it won't be because they want to be there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To clear things up. The many 2021 Igloo kids seen at different try outs were not from Black Ice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile

even the majority of the Avalanche team was very happy with the exception of a few who thought they were better then
YOU ARE OUT OF YOU MIND !!! One close game against a very good team who is very well coach and people are jumping ship you are really funny. Black Ice has not lost a tournament in 2 years and they are something like 90-3 in last 3 years____COM'ON MAN ......YOU MADE MY DAY smile
This Must be a Manhasset DIG
What do people think about the early tryouts. I like it because the kids have just stop playing and are not too rusty and get it over with early. Any other thoughts?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This Must be a Manhasset DIG
what is?
Can anyone comment on Outlaws black team? Competitive? Coaching? Are they a good group?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What do people think about the early tryouts. I like it because the kids have just stop playing and are not too rusty and get it over with early. Any other thoughts?


Like them- kids still in the flow- before school starts- football not fully into season- parents find out the team and possible tournaments for the Fall early on.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone comment on Outlaws black team? Competitive? Coaching? Are they a good group?


If one followed the announcement of the Outlaws going Select AA, A and B this year, along with the respective coaching staff, one could guess, it was a name change. Black is being renamed Select, Silver being renamed Black, and a third team no relegated to Silver status.

Silver entered B divisions last year and I'm not sure if they won a tournament, so nobody knows how they will perform as the A Black team.

IMO, both last year's Black and Silver team will a need significant amount of new talented players to jump a level.

Good luck to them, hope it works out, especially with all the new board member additions. It could happen. But it could not. Time will tell. Be a smart consumer.
We scrimmaged Black in early Spring and we won in a very lopsided fashion. It would be hard to rank them up there with the A teams, but I have no idea how their season turned out. Thinking about ditching current club- buried on 3rd line- for a B team in hopes of getting real playing time. These guys looked like an option. One of the better B's in a manner of speaking...
Yes Agree 100 percent. Can start practice early too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What do people think about the early tryouts. I like it because the kids have just stop playing and are not too rusty and get it over with early. Any other thoughts?


Like them- kids still in the flow- before school starts- football not fully into season- parents find out the team and possible tournaments for the Fall early on.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are incorrect.....There was 1, yes 1 player on the TLI team that this applies to, although he was a younger kid. 99% of that team is 2021. FACT.


Originally Posted by Anonymous



True...however does that TLI team still exist? Heard most of that team was going to Empire.
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98% not 99%
They have 3 teams at this age. A team is a very good and could be considered solid B team and well coached. You get your moneys worth. B team is marginal. They had some success in weak tournaments but don't play or practice enough. C team is money grab. They will make a 4th team if the checks keep rolling in. But I guess thats every club. Make sure to visit the gift shop and save the date for annual the golf outing.
This team is a solid A team. Not quite a AA. Will compete with and beat most A teams but struggles with the top tier.
Solid group of kids with a good group of parents. Only two players have not returned to tryouts over the last two years. Generally a happy group with even playing time.
coaching is good and very eager. You will see well above promised practices and play in many extra tournaments.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone comment on Outlaws black team? Competitive? Coaching? Are they a good group?
Outlaws coaches announced. 2021 Black is now "Select". Black was a very good team but I don't know what the intent is with the name change. Silver is the new Black. No Silver team coach listed. Is this just to create a C team but not call it a C team?
legacy tryouts were last night. how many kids showed up? what was the talent like? how were tryouts run?
Igloo has over 200 kids right now for 2021 and 2022 at the fields
There were about 65 2021 kids at Legacy. Gonna be 2 teams
talent was ok at best
Tryout is a joke - 2021 100+ kids and two clip boards....
You must of been looking at both age groups. 2020 was there also. Tops 65 kids for the 2021 legacy group.
Legacy 2020 group had 110 kids tryout I counted them. 2021 approx. 80. 2021 A team should be pretty good had a few 91 A kids tryout.
Are you talking about igloo or legacy[
quote=Anonymous]Tryout is a joke - 2021 100+ kids and two clip boards.... [/quote]
Legacy
Igloo had 200+ kids there for 2021, and it seemed that most belonged there. There were over 30 kids trying out for attack and another 30 for defense. I was hesitant when the announced a 4 hour tryout, but I really was impressed at how well run they did it. It is worth trying out for to get a great clinic. The boys are being instructed while trying out. Never seen anything like it. Wish my son could have done it last year, but we were out of town. It seems that they will be able to field 2 good teams. I spoke to a dad who moved to the Avalanche team, and they were very happy with their progress for a first year program. His son is only trying out for them, and they left 91 to move to Avalanche.
Sound like a great PR guy for igloo are you one of the directors or a dad
Now the number for 2021 has moved up to 200 plus. I talked to an Igloo coach and as of yesterday they had only 98. they dont take walk ons. Even if they did they had over 100 walk ons today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo had 200+ kids there for 2021, and it seemed that most belonged there. There were over 30 kids trying out for attack and another 30 for defense. I was hesitant when the announced a 4 hour tryout, but I really was impressed at how well run they did it. It is worth trying out for to get a great clinic. The boys are being instructed while trying out. Never seen anything like it. Wish my son could have done it last year, but we were out of town. It seems that they will be able to field 2 good teams. I spoke to a dad who moved to the Avalanche team, and they were very happy with their progress for a first year program. His son is only trying out for them, and they left 91 to move to Avalanche.
i would greatly appreciate any information on the icon lacrosse program at this age level please. how many teams will they field, what is the quality and style of coaching, what tournaments do they play in, and any other helpful information please. thank you very much

Every kid on LI that is going in to the 7th grade and plays lax is at the tryouts...Its unprecedented....C'mon man

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo had 200+ kids there for 2021, and it seemed that most belonged there. There were over 30 kids trying out for attack and another 30 for defense. I was hesitant when the announced a 4 hour tryout, but I really was impressed at how well run they did it. It is worth trying out for to get a great clinic. The boys are being instructed while trying out. Never seen anything like it. Wish my son could have done it last year, but we were out of town. It seems that they will be able to field 2 good teams. I spoke to a dad who moved to the Avalanche team, and they were very happy with their progress for a first year program. His son is only trying out for them, and they left 91 to move to Avalanche.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now the number for 2021 has moved up to 200 plus. I talked to an Igloo coach and as of yesterday they had only 98. they dont take walk ons. Even if they did they had over 100 walk ons today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo had 200+ kids there for 2021, and it seemed that most belonged there. There were over 30 kids trying out for attack and another 30 for defense. I was hesitant when the announced a 4 hour tryout, but I really was impressed at how well run they did it. It is worth trying out for to get a great clinic. The boys are being instructed while trying out. Never seen anything like it. Wish my son could have done it last year, but we were out of town. It seems that they will be able to field 2 good teams. I spoke to a dad who moved to the Avalanche team, and they were very happy with their progress for a first year program. His son is only trying out for them, and they left 91 to move to Avalanche.


I counted just attack and Defense, and there were 60 boys there alone. I would say about the same number of mids, so maybe 120. They were taking walk ons, and had them wait for everyone else to sign in first. I would say between 2020 & 2021 there were 200+
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now the number for 2021 has moved up to 200 plus. I talked to an Igloo coach and as of yesterday they had only 98. they dont take walk ons. Even if they did they had over 100 walk ons today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo had 200+ kids there for 2021, and it seemed that most belonged there. There were over 30 kids trying out for attack and another 30 for defense. I was hesitant when the announced a 4 hour tryout, but I really was impressed at how well run they did it. It is worth trying out for to get a great clinic. The boys are being instructed while trying out. Never seen anything like it. Wish my son could have done it last year, but we were out of town. It seems that they will be able to field 2 good teams. I spoke to a dad who moved to the Avalanche team, and they were very happy with their progress for a first year program. His son is only trying out for them, and they left 91 to move to Avalanche.


I counted just attack and Defense, and there were 60 boys there alone. I would say about the same number of mids, so maybe 120. They were taking walk ons, and had them wait for everyone else to sign in first. I would say between 2020 & 2021 there were 200+


They no doubt take walk ons. Thet took a bunch of 32 kids at the 2024 2023 tryouts. It's jsut another grand in AA's pocket
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you talking about igloo or legacy[
quote=Anonymous]Tryout is a joke - 2021 100+ kids and two clip boards....
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Igloo
I am not an Icon parent but my sons team played the A team many times this year and in the past. Top team loads of talent. Although I know nothing about the coaches the team was very organized and you can tell they are well coached. My son has played against every top team and I place this team second in 2021 behind igloo. I know express beat them and most think 91 is better. Just my opinion. The second team I hear is a good B to b plus team. We have a friend that goes back every year but may not this year. The only negatives I know of or heard about is that they may not play or practice as much as other teams and some parents may be tough to get along with. But that could be with any team. They are worth the tryout if your son is a b plus or better player. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
i would greatly appreciate any information on the icon lacrosse program at this age level please. how many teams will they field, what is the quality and style of coaching, what tournaments do they play in, and any other helpful information please. thank you very much

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now the number for 2021 has moved up to 200 plus. I talked to an Igloo coach and as of yesterday they had only 98. they dont take walk ons. Even if they did they had over 100 walk ons today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo had 200+ kids there for 2021, and it seemed that most belonged there. There were over 30 kids trying out for attack and another 30 for defense. I was hesitant when the announced a 4 hour tryout, but I really was impressed at how well run they did it. It is worth trying out for to get a great clinic. The boys are being instructed while trying out. Never seen anything like it. Wish my son could have done it last year, but we were out of town. It seems that they will be able to field 2 good teams. I spoke to a dad who moved to the Avalanche team, and they were very happy with their progress for a first year program. His son is only trying out for them, and they left 91 to move to Avalanche.


I counted just attack and Defense, and there were 60 boys there alone. I would say about the same number of mids, so maybe 120. They were taking walk ons, and had them wait for everyone else to sign in first. I would say between 2020 & 2021 there were 200+


They no doubt take walk ons. Thet took a bunch of 32 kids at the 2024 2023 tryouts. It's jsut another grand in AA's pocket


Good for him. 8 hours for $100, can't beat that. And they are pretty open about what they are doing. Even better, people are really looking at the costs and are seeing that they sound more expensive, but are really the same as the others when you consider all costs.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sound like a great PR guy for igloo are you one of the directors or a dad
Nope, actually a PAL dad and my kid had a blast. I didn't realize that there were 2 age groups, so maybe 100+ for 2021 is more accurate.
what is a reasonable number of teams to try out for at this age group? 2? 3? obviously cant try out for them all.
Tough call. Try out for any team he has an interest in if it fits your schedule and budget. Many 2021 rosters are already locked up so the more the better.
Has express started making calls?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tough call. Try out for any team he has an interest in if it fits your schedule and budget. Many 2021 rosters are already locked up so the more the better.


I think that is the most important piece of information new families or fairly new, need to know. Years ago, we were very naive to think that a try out was open. If there are 6 spots for attack , shouldn't they go to the best ? In actuality, they may be looking at 1 attack, or maybe none.

I'd call ahead and ask to speak with coach or director. If you are told every spot is open, I'd think twice if this is an established team. You can spend a lot of time and money chasing a spot on an A team that was not available at all .
That said, I do think that there is a lot of pros in keeping an established team together and it does lead to success as chemistry in playing together is important and coach already knows his players strengths and weaknesses.

In certain organizations, B teams aren't a bad choice. Kids DO get pulled up to A and do have a shot, even if you have been told otherwise. I've seen this happen in Express, 91 and some smaller clubs too.

Try out season is not always easy- lots of emotions and uncertainty when trying to find a team that fits right. Good luck!

Yes, all 50 kids make the A team, $125.00 shooting clinic starts Monday
Express emails are out. Which are the A & B teams?
good question. Did the coaches change this year?
i have been told that there is a coach on the 2021 outlaws who's son plays on the team. what position does he play? has he been on the team in prior years? do other players see less playing time due to favoritism?

to be clear, i am not trying to badmouth anyone's child, i am just looking for information to help make a team choice for my own son. my question does not call for any comments about the player's skill level or whether he is on the right level team.

thank you.
what was the talent like at the outlaws tryout today?
All the kids played well and the tryout was well run
Who are the coaches of team 1, 2, 3 of Express?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i have been told that there is a coach on the 2021 outlaws who's son plays on the team. what position does he play? has he been on the team in prior years? do other players see less playing time due to favoritism?

to be clear, i am not trying to badmouth anyone's child, i am just looking for information to help make a team choice for my own son. my question does not call for any comments about the player's skill level or whether he is on the right level team.

thank you.
All of the 2021 coaches have kids on the team. AS a result you get a lot of extra practices. None of them abuse their position although those kids do seem to get yelled at more
It seems to be a mistery
thanks need to know same.
Express 1, 2 and 3 coaches please!
Is Team Karwoski 1, 2 or 3?
Karwoski is 2
So is did Hughes move up to team 1?
I thought Highes was team 3?
So who is team 1
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So who is team 1


I am at a loss. how can anyone truly consider joining a team spending the money they ask for and not even know the coach of the team you are paying to be on. The coach is the most important piece. Are there that many people out there willing to spend over 3k and not know who there coach is just so you can say you play on express. That is absurd.
HOGAN TEAM 1
Any one have any info on 2021 karwoski? Is he a good coach? Was he on another travel team?
We are hesitant for this 2nd team on express. We know kids who made this team and only went to the 2nd of the two tryout dates, and barely touched the ball during the scrimmages. We don't think Express had a good turnout?
Turnout was fine at express. Lite first night w wolves no where to be found. Second tryout had wolves and much better talent.
About 70 kids about?
Was it igloo numbers, no. But there was a bunch of talent there second night.
Perhaps with payments pending someone from express could enlighten us
To those that would question someone else's abilities you should take a closer look at your own sons abilities
I am in no way questioning someone else's abilities. We went to more than 1 tryout, my son did great at 2 and had terrible nights at another. These tryouts are only snapshots of what a player is, anyone can have a stellar day as well as an off day. The points I mentioned were actually brought to my attention by the parents of the kids who only attended the 2nd day, and had a crummy night to boot. They were the ones questioning the pool of players for the team. I was hoping for some other opinions of people who were there.
Great coach. He was a AA at Yale. He coached multiple games for 2022 and 2021 A teams last year. Kids loved him.
He is a great coach. My son had him and really liked him.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any one have any info on 2021 karwoski? Is he a good coach? Was he on another travel team?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great coach. He was a AA at Yale. He coached multiple games for 2022 and 2021 A teams last year. Kids loved him.


yes karwoski is a great coach.
Karwoski coached a bunch of 2022 games. He was excellent. Knows how to teach, boys loved him.
i would pick Karwoski over the bigger named coaches any day. Great with kids , fully focused on the team.
How did Hughes get bumped to team 3?
Karwoski might be team 3
I heard no team 3
Jill Adler, one of the administrative personnel at Express confirmed Karwoski is the Express 2nd team. We know there have been comments regarding express' "decline". We are happy our son will be playing lacrosse this year and look forward to the great coaching and motivation we hear Karwoski has to offer. Not every kid and every team has to be AA or A to have a great lacrosse experience. We are looking to improve and have fun.
Where did Jim Hughes go? is he still with organization?
I totally agree. We commited to Karwoski 2021 and also look forward to a great experience. He has a very good reputation. The purpose of playing on any team is to look at where your kid is at the start of the season and then where he has grown at the end.
My son has been on teams that looked good from the start and peaked early and never really developed beyond certain point.
I'm not looking for a igloo experience in terms of dominance, I am looking for good coaching, constructive practices that help develop my son, good parents and an overall fun experience for my son.
Same here. I just signed up my son for Karwoski's team. I echo everything you just said.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I totally agree. We commited to Karwoski 2021 and also look forward to a great experience. He has a very good reputation. The purpose of playing on any team is to look at where your kid is at the start of the season and then where he has grown at the end.
My son has been on teams that looked good from the start and peaked early and never really developed beyond certain point.
I'm not looking for a igloo experience in terms of dominance, I am looking for good coaching, constructive practices that help develop my son, good parents and an overall fun experience for my son.

If Igloo is dominating that's because they picked the better players. They had 2, four hour tryouts to monitor the kids. They practice all year round and the kids learn. What dies Igloo have to do with you joining express? Good for you, no need to bring other teams into your view of lacrosse.
It was a compliment to igloo not an insult. But thanks for your 2 cents. [lacrosse]
You gotta love the d-bags, where would we be without their clarification!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I totally agree. We commited to Karwoski 2021 and also look forward to a great experience. He has a very good reputation. The purpose of playing on any team is to look at where your kid is at the start of the season and then where he has grown at the end.
My son has been on teams that looked good from the start and peaked early and never really developed beyond certain point.
I'm not looking for a igloo experience in terms of dominance, I am looking for good coaching, constructive practices that help develop my son, good parents and an overall fun experience for my son.

If Igloo is dominating that's because they picked the better players. They had 2, four hour tryouts to monitor the kids. They practice all year round and the kids learn. What dies Igloo have to do with you joining express? Good for you, no need to bring other teams into your view of lacrosse.


I think you are taking this personally- the guy was just saying that he is okay with a good experience, and that does not necessarily mean winning every game or tourney. Lighten up...
Listen I'm sorry if your kids just play for fun my kid plays to win. You teach yours the way you want and I will do the same. Thanks
This was obviously not posted by an Igloo parent.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen I'm sorry if your kids just play for fun my kid plays to win. You teach yours the way you want and I will do the same. Thanks
dont bother saying you sorry for being a [lacrosse] bag with a superiority complex, when you obviously are not. Our kids want to and play to win also, just stating wining every game and being on the best of the best AA team isn't the end all to lacrosse for everyone.
On my neighbors email from express team 1 listed coach k as assistant coach.
Maybe they plan on practicing together ?
anyone hear about outlaws results from second tryout? anyone get a call/email?
So winning is all that matters? Don't care if their kid is happy or having fun?
Sure winning can be fun, but it doesn't necessarily make the experience fun. Especially when there are parents like you who probably make your kid nervous to make mistakes. I'd hate to be your kid in the car after a loss. Whose the DB now?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So winning is all that matters? Don't care if their kid is happy or having fun?
Sure winning can be fun, but it doesn't necessarily make the experience fun. Especially when there are parents like you who probably make your kid nervous to make mistakes. I'd hate to be your kid in the car after a loss. Whose the DB now?


Agreed. Amazing how angry parents get over a stupid summer team. Same parents who stand with their toes on the sidelines in their cutoff shirts screaming at their kid to compensate for whatever their own shortcomings are. I'm pretty sure 7th grade lacrosse doesn't define who you are and getting angry in defense of some youth lax program is just pathetic.
If it is not an Igloo parent it sure sounds like one. I know many Igloo parents who feel this way and say it all the time. I have heard worse things than this from them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This was obviously not posted by an Igloo parent.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen I'm sorry if your kids just play for fun my kid plays to win. You teach yours the way you want and I will do the same. Thanks
Actually sounds Express driven...

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If it is not an Igloo parent it sure sounds like one. I know many Igloo parents who feel this way and say it all the time. I have heard worse things than this from them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This was obviously not posted by an Igloo parent.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen I'm sorry if your kids just play for fun my kid plays to win. You teach yours the way you want and I will do the same. Thanks
Absolutely true! Entire team walked.
Who walked
Don't know who the post is talking about but they may mean the entire or most of the Express B team walked. Sounds like they may get it right with the new coach if these post are for real that he is liked. Are there any other teams other than Express B that all or most of the kids did not return?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who walked
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't know who the post is talking about but they may mean the entire or most of the Express B team walked. Sounds like they may get it right with the new coach if these post are for real that he is liked. Are there any other teams other than Express B that all or most of the kids did not return?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who walked

TLI A team from last year is done.
The Rising Sons have lost their entire 2021 team. From what I heard a team full of parents that are totally nuts and just couldn't stay together, too many GIANT egos don't mix well. Sad really
Yeah, not the case at all!
The whole TLI 2021 or (u13)as they call it has fallen apart. They are at the point of taking whoever showed for the tryouts , basically as a walk - on !
Saw a huge absorption of those players scattered as a group throughout the island at a few tryouts.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't know who the post is talking about but they may mean the entire or most of the Express B team walked. Sounds like they may get it right with the new coach if these post are for real that he is liked. Are there any other teams other than Express B that all or most of the kids did not return?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who walked

TLI A team from last year is done.
Why did express B walk? And is that why people saying tryout was sparse with so so players?
i would appreciate more information on team long island. i am unfamiliar with the organization, and would like more info about why the A team fell apart. i just got an email from them inviting my son to try out, and the price looks reasonable. i will certainly do my due diligence by reaching out to the director of the organization about whether the price includes everything though. who is coaching the TLI A team this year? is there any information anyone can tell me about that coach? exactly what has been their problems? thank you for any helpful information anyone can give me here.
Invites for that team were sent out early last week , looks like they are scrambling to form a team. Some have left because they have outgrowned the organization and many left to play at better clubs who play in competitive tournaments against the best competition out there , without this talent left it will not be an A caliber team which took numerous years to build , I know kids who were invited from this tryout that were b moderate players and have turned down that spot, so if your good with the cost and starting from scratch and new to the travel circuit then this would be a good fit, just beware of what your stepping into without knowing what players have signed up.




quote=Anonymous]i would appreciate more information on team long island. i am unfamiliar with the organization, and would like more info about why the A team fell apart. i just got an email from them inviting my son to try out, and the price looks reasonable. i will certainly do my due diligence by reaching out to the director of the organization about whether the price includes everything though. who is coaching the TLI A team this year? is there any information anyone can tell me about that coach? exactly what has been their problems? thank you for any helpful information anyone can give me here. [/quote]
We played against this team and I watched them at tournaments thru the years. From what I am hearing, It will not be the same team it has been for the past several years. This team was a very competitive team who could play with anyone out there. Unfortunately, the organization has not been able to keep this group together and this "try-out season" the players are migrating elsewhere. Wherever they land, they will positively impact their organization and team.
With that said, for the $, TLI is a good choice but this age group is in a re-building phase.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
i would appreciate more information on team long island. i am unfamiliar with the organization, and would like more info about why the A team fell apart. i just got an email from them inviting my son to try out, and the price looks reasonable. i will certainly do my due diligence by reaching out to the director of the organization about whether the price includes everything though. who is coaching the TLI A team this year? is there any information anyone can tell me about that coach? exactly what has been their problems? thank you for any helpful information anyone can give me here.
In regards to 2021 age group.

Thanks to all that have been to our tryouts. We have over 100 kids signed up for the 2021 age group. The talent has been amazing. E Mails are currently going out. Your child will be assigned to one of our two teams or asked to come back. We have had a number of parents ask if we would consider a third team.

We have decided to go ahead with a third team, but we will do it a little different than the Select and Black. It will be a B team, and designed to be very developmental. Here's how it will run.

Fall: 6 Training sessions- Spring: 6 Training Sessions
Summer: 10 Practices along with 4 Tournaments
Coaches in Fall and spring will be High school coaches. Summer will be TBA.
Cost $1800
With all this talent, we expect to get these kids to the next level.

All are still invited to our 3rd try out, as we still have some spots available on Select/Black.

Thanks
LI Outlaws
thank you very much for the information. can you or anyone else tell me about the coaches for 2021? what is their style of coaching? do they care about the kids, or do they care about winning more than caring about the kids? what is the quality of the instruction given to the kids?

thanks again.
Both Outlaw 2021 teams have close to 100% player return rate to tryouts the following year. The fact the kids all want to go back year after year should indicate a good lacrosse experience.
I thought that the 2021 Outlaw top team lost at least two of their kids to Garden City town team, not true?
This was a question that pertained to TEam Long Island, not Outlaws. Does anyone have any information to answer the question? THank you.

thank you very much for the information. can you or anyone else tell me about the coaches for 2021? what is their style of coaching? do they care about the kids, or do they care about winning more than caring about the kids? what is the quality of the instruction given to the kids?

thanks again.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought that the 2021 Outlaw top team lost at least two of their kids to Garden City town team, not true?


Yes. 2 kids left to play town.
2 kids replaced by other kids at tryouts.
The two kids did come to tryouts but went to their town A team. Like the post said most of the kids from both teams returned to tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought that the 2021 Outlaw top team lost at least two of their kids to Garden City town team, not true?


Yes. 2 kids left to play town.
2 kids replaced by other kids at tryouts.
Why did express B walk?
Anyone get notification on ICON invitations?
The turnover was more than once. There was one team from September to December. after that the team never had the same kids for two tournaments. not stable. Many reasons to leave. Maybe a lesson was learned and this team could get back on track. The coach from what is said on here seems to be good. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why did express B walk?
Yes, late yesterday afternoon.
The 2014 express Cuda B team was by far a better team then they ever had in that age group including their wolverine team , last season it folded because of express Bait and switch to appease the snobby wolverine parents who were upset the season before for being slapped around every time they played them. Ridiculously over priced organization and full of tremendous politics on the expense of better players .


Originally Posted by Anonymous
The turnover was more than once. There was one team from September to December. after that the team never had the same kids for two tournaments. not stable. Many reasons to leave. Maybe a lesson was learned and this team could get back on track. The coach from what is said on here seems to be good. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why did express B walk?
What? Express B was as good as Express A. What are u smoking? They took a couple of kids last year that didn't belong from B team because the parents complained. Besides that express A season was great. A lot of changes for Express A team this year. No favors.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2014 express Cuda B team was by far a better team then they ever had in that age group including their wolverine team , last season it folded because of express Bait and switch to appease the snobby wolverine parents who were upset the season before for being slapped around every time they played them. Ridiculously over priced organization and full of tremendous politics on the expense of better players .


Originally Posted by Anonymous
The turnover was more than once. There was one team from September to December. after that the team never had the same kids for two tournaments. not stable. Many reasons to leave. Maybe a lesson was learned and this team could get back on track. The coach from what is said on here seems to be good. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why did express B walk?

This team in '14 spring season was a revolving door. Always looking for the next best thing. That team was loyal to nobody.
2014 Cuda B TEAM 2014, loss every time to Wolverines, Both teams had idiot parents, what team doesn't
Where did that express wolverines goalie end up?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What? Express B was as good as Express A. What are u smoking? They took a couple of kids last year that didn't belong from B team because the parents complained. Besides that express A season was great. A lot of changes for Express A team this year. No favors.

For a team that has been around for as long as the wolverines it's a joke. The head coach has had them since the 2nd grade and has been smacked around by numerous teams , club and town. I know a pickup team beat them so bad once the teams parents went nuts. You're getting into dangerous territory taking a shot at the kids be careful you are going to start something you don't rally want. Those boys didn't come from the right town or have the right name.
So much could be said about Express but it is not worth it. The low numbers at tryouts should tell you all you need to know. Most A and AA teams had over 100 kids tryout. Last year Express had 3 teams and large rosters so that would equal at least 70 Express players last year. Only 65 at tryouts this year including new kids tells the story.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What? Express B was as good as Express A. What are u smoking? They took a couple of kids last year that didn't belong from B team because the parents complained. Besides that express A season was great. A lot of changes for Express A team this year. No favors.

For a team that has been around for as long as the wolverines it's a joke. The head coach has had them since the 2nd grade and has been smacked around by numerous teams , club and town. I know a pickup team beat them so bad once the teams parents went nuts. You're getting into dangerous territory taking a shot at the kids be careful you are going to start something you don't rally want. Those boys didn't come from the right town or have the right name.
Agreed. The level of talent at the other club tryouts was superior. No favors? LMAO. The chosen few will have their way, and it will be run the way it is always run with private lessons that will burn your pockets. Add-ons add-ons add-ons!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So much could be said about Express but it is not worth it. The low numbers at tryouts should tell you all you need to know. Most A and AA teams had over 100 kids tryout. Last year Express had 3 teams and large rosters so that would equal at least 70 Express players last year. Only 65 at tryouts this year including new kids tells the story.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What? Express B was as good as Express A. What are u smoking? They took a couple of kids last year that didn't belong from B team because the parents complained. Besides that express A season was great. A lot of changes for Express A team this year. No favors.

For a team that has been around for as long as the wolverines it's a joke. The head coach has had them since the 2nd grade and has been smacked around by numerous teams , club and town. I know a pickup team beat them so bad once the teams parents went nuts. You're getting into dangerous territory taking a shot at the kids be careful you are going to start something you don't rally want. Those boys didn't come from the right town or have the right name.
I think the moral of the story was they may have lost but by one or two means wolverines won by a close margin to a supposed B team . That doesn't say much about the chosen ones . On top of that they played 91 heat and lost by a closer margin then the wolverines loss to heat.
And yes wolverine parents were out of control on the fact of embarrassment.
So maybe it's you smoking the pipe, for a team that was underated they sure created alot of turbalance amongst the 2021 wolves .

quote=Anonymous]2014 Cuda B TEAM 2014, loss every time to Wolverines, Both teams had idiot parents, what team doesn't [/quote]
Many Cudas came back to Express for the 2014/15 season but almost all quit by December 2014. Express brought in more kids and the team was a B- team by Jan. 2015. All or most of those kids appear to have left too. It is true with at least 70 Express kids on all three teams last year Express having only 65 kids at tryouts this year in total means a lot of kids did not return. That is scary. I hope all other clubs take notice the lacrosse consumer is not as dumb as they think and if you don't deliver a good product they will not come back. If it could happen to Express it can happen to anyone.
Express wolves had a great 2015 season. I know the kids and parents (I am one) had a great experience and it ended on a high note. Great coaches, some of the best, and the team will be solid this fall and very strong next summer. Some people who know very little just seem to love to try and undermine the perception of team.
I do not think that people knowing very little would try to undermine the perception of your team , the point of discussion in regards to what happened to express B which was nothing more then fact on the quick entrance and exit of the whole team. How people take the criticism is another story !Just as certain kids can handle coaching criticism better then others. If a team was mish moshed together and labeled with the express brand name on their jerseys during 1 season and competed and embarrassed a team who has been together for a long time ,you would say that there's room for improvement on the organizations policy of attracting and placing the best kids on a team. Unfortunate that everyone knows that Express only caters to the ones who [lacrosse] the most and pay the most . We see it in MC smile as he takes your money. People have caught on and went elsewhere , and it seems that was the fact with Express B players last season as many went to 91 teams and igloo . How great was an organization last season when wolves top players were migrating over to Legacy after their season of trying to hold top team status while Barracuda team hindered in there shadows? Unfortunate that Legacy couldn't hold onto those Wolve key players because of the political demands of those parent to MC , catholic High school seems to have a track record with good players and express , so again parent whining actually made MC step up and coach this team. Good luck to TEAM 1 as they should now be able to compete after years of being bamboozled with coaching and politics. That's actually 91's problem now with the entry of one of those coaches .


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express wolves had a great 2015 season. I know the kids and parents (I am one) had a great experience and it ended on a high note. Great coaches, some of the best, and the team will be solid this fall and very strong next summer. Some people who know very little just seem to love to try and undermine the perception of team.
WHile no an Express parent I have watched the Wolves, Cuda thing . First off, the Wolves team used to only play their top players, good kids never got in and since went to other A teams. Thats why at times the Wolves had a very short bench. A few years ago you started hearing about the CUdas, their coach was telling people that they where the A team. Having played them both I can tell you that it simply was not true. While that CUda team had a few players that should have been on the A team as a hole they where not as good. It was irking to constantly hear that team stomp their feet like toddlers and demand they where the A team. Sorry, you where never as good as the Wolves.
Any changes over at Igloo?
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any changes over at Igloo?


They went to a darker shade of Blue
is there anyone who can give me information about the LI Lax Warriors organization and 2021 team? i have never heard of them before. who is the coach? how well/poorly is the organization run? what tournaments do they play in? at what level do they play- a b c x? how many teams will they have? any and all info would be great. thank you.

Interesting comment but not honest. Their 2023 team is top 2 in the age group. Younger than that is irrelevant at this point. 2021 is arguably top 3 in the region. Not sure where 2022 stacks up. But agree, this will be an important and fun year for all 2021 teams.


]Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year. [/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
We're relatively new to the Lacrosse world so excuse my ignorance. We signed our son up for Express 2021 B. Can someone explain in laymans terms and without malice what happened to Express last year?
Heard the 2023 team split up this year. Not sure if that is true but lost top players at the very least. 2022 team is a B plus team and having many issues too. 2021 top 3 in the region??? Only Express parents would agree with you on that but most others would disagree with you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interesting comment but not honest. Their 2023 team is top 2 in the age group. Younger than that is irrelevant at this point. 2021 is arguably top 3 in the region. Not sure where 2022 stacks up. But agree, this will be an important and fun year for all 2021 teams.


]Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous

This has to be a joke ? Pot stir at its best., what teams alone here in long island have they beat ? What about in Maryland ? How about if they are top 3 in region then why are they not lined up to play in Denver ??


quote=Anonymous]Interesting comment but not honest. Their 2023 team is top 2 in the age group. Younger than that is irrelevant at this point. 2021 is arguably top 3 in the region. Not sure where 2022 stacks up. But agree, this will be an important and fun year for all 2021 teams.


]Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
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is it really necessary to post this three times?
2021 wolves beat everyone they played in Long Island and the tri-state region except 91 and Igloo. They had 2 bad games early in Maryland but besides that beat everyone they played. Also won 4 tournaments along the way. But have fun trying to yell and scream about their decline if it makes you happy.


This has to be a joke ? Pot stir at its best., what teams alone here in long island have they beat ? What about in Maryland ? How about if they are top 3 in region then why are they not lined up to play in Denver ??


quote=Anonymous]Interesting comment but not honest. Their 2023 team is top 2 in the age group. Younger than that is irrelevant at this point. 2021 is arguably top 3 in the region. Not sure where 2022 stacks up. But agree, this will be an important and fun year for all 2021 teams.


]Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year. [/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
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is it really necessary to post this three times? [/quote]
It's amazing that people will play and pay to be on a third team instead of someone's A team. The A team gets all the attention. The grass is not always greener
Is the top team in this age group the Igloo's ? 91 ? Express ? Icon ? Why not just got them all on the field together and figure it out
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is the top team in this age group the Igloo's ? 91 ? Express ? Icon ? Why not just got them all on the field together and figure it out
can't, quest is Denver, not going to see this group play each other a whole lot.
Are Igloo 2021 tryout results out yet? How are parents notified?
For those who feel you who think your kid must be on the best team read this article. There is so much research out there that teaches us that being on the best team is not good for developing young players. This article is one of many but it does not even get into how kids sit on the bench or on the grass at practice on these best teams. Top players get hurt in development on top teams too. They are not challenged enough. I guess that is why we are now seeing these top teams on Long Island cutting kids who have been with the program for years and replacing them with kids that were developed at other much weaker programs. Sad thing is many of these kids that have been cut from the top teams can't make another " A" team and land on a "B" team. In any event this is an interesting read.

by Trevor Tierney NCAA Assistant Coach University of Denver
THE "BEST TEAM" MAY NOT BE WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR KIDS

“And why do we fall, Bruce? So we can learn to pick ourselves up.” - Batman Begins

Don’t get me wrong here. I love all of the players, parents and families that I get to work with in sports. I would not want to be doing anything else with my life! But lately, I have been bewildered by a phenomena that seems to be growing in youth athletics. There is a constant search amongst parents and players to be on the “best team” that wins the most games and tournaments. It is no longer enough for our children to play on a local youth or high school team and enjoy the experience of playing sports. Furthermore, it is no longer even enough for our children to play on a good club travel team that plays well together, is competitive with other great teams from around the country and has top-notch coaching. Rather, there is a “grass is greener” mentality amongst parents and young athletes who are on the constant lookout for the absolute greatest team to be a part of.

There are a lot of factors driving all of this. It is partly due to the parent’s misconception that the better their child’s team, the better their chances for recruitment and success down the road (by the way, college coaches do not even know the scores of the high school games that they are scouting—they only notice who is 6’4”, 225 and runs like a gazelle in the Serengeti). I believe that this mentality runs deeper than that though and we have simply lost touch of what sports are all about. You know when you watch the people on a reality show like Honey Boo Boo or Swamp People and you say, “man…those people are nuts!”? Well, I hate to tell you, that is all of us in sports right now! We are those crazy people. And for the past few years, this perception of making sure our children win all the time and at all costs has become utterly mind-boggling. Every single game in sports, one team wins and one team loses. That’s just the way it works. It is completely narcissistic for us to think that we ourselves (or our child) should never lose. What fun would sports be if we knew that we were going to win every time anyway?

Every great athlete and coach that I know has had their fair share of ups and downs. Even though my claim to lacrosse fame is that I won two NCAA National Championships, a MLL Championship and a FIL World Championship with Team USA, I also got my butt kicked a whole lot along the way! My youth teams were disgraceful, my high school team had some serious rough patches, I can’t even count how many goals Syracuse scored on me at Princeton over the years and I was on the only USA team that lost in the World Championships since 1978 for goodness sake! Even Michael Jordan (who I apologize for even mentioning in the same paragraph as my athletic career) admitted in a commercial, “I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.” The point is, that no matter what an athlete does in their career, they will have some wins and they will have some losses. Trying to control that is not going to change anything. Furthermore, there is actually something about the pursuit of always winning that is detrimental to our children’s development as athletes and as people.

As I have pondered this mindset that we are witnessing in youth sports for the past few years, I knew something was wrong. I just didn’t know how to explain it, other than sounding like a grumpy old curmudgeon. The fact is though, there is scientific evidence that shows that we should actually want our children to lose! Again, as I have written time and again, I am not saying that athletes should not care about trying to win and just act like it does not matter. And I am certainly not an advocate for the “everyone gets a trophy” mentality. Our young athletes should care deeply about trying to win and be their best. And when they go into competition and want nothing more than to win that game, it will be absolutely fantastic for them when they lose! Before you think I have been hit in the head with too many lacrosse balls (which is completely factual), let me explain further.

In the past month, I have been fortunate enough to study under one of our country’s leading researchers on human resilience at Harvard, Dr. Shelly Carson. As soon as I sat in our first lecture, the lightbulb flashed on! I started to realize that when we want our child to play on the most dominant team, we are completely missing the boat on how sports build resilience for young men and women. This is not just me blabbing about it either. There is decades of research being compiled by people much smarter than me (surprising I know) that explains how we all develop resilience and how this leads to overall happiness, well-being and success. And isn’t that what we really want for our children?

I am starting to understand how sports are actually the perfect set up for resilience training as losses are very stressful and a challenging adversity for young athletes to face. From this perspective, you realize that no one is going to die, get seriously injured, get cancer, lose a family member, get dumped by their girlfriend (and if so, good riddance I say), lose their home, get thrown in jail, fail out of school, or face anything truly tragic from losing a game. And while I might be sounding trite here, the sad fact is that all of us will face one or several of these things at some point in our life. Nobody’s existence on this earth is perfect. We all encounter some serious adversity whether we like it or not. With that being the case, don’t we want our kids to learn how to deal with it in a skillful manner?

In the field of psychology, resiliency has been defined by Luthar (2000) as, “the ability to recover from or adjust easily to misfortune or change . . . a positive adaptation within the context of significant adversity,” (as cited in Carson lecture, 2014). So, not only do the skills of resiliency allow people to overcome and recover from tragic experiences in their lives, but resilient people also flourish, grow and experience tremendous well-being and success in their lives. And that is exactly what we want for our children. I will take that over any win, any tournament championship and any trophy. The best aspect of athletics, in my mind, is that it teaches us resiliency, the ability to endure, overcome and find greatness in our lives. As coaches and parents, all we have to do is be positive and supportive of our children no matter if they win or lose. We just have to be there for them as they learn to get back up and keep moving on with their heads held high. That is how our youth can learn to deal with life on life’s terms and develop as strong individuals. What a great gift that is to bring our children and I cannot think of a more powerful way to do it than through athletics!

There are a lot of ways in which resiliency can be taught through sports, which I will go into some more detail down the road. For right now, I will pass along that one of the most effective ways in handling a stressor is utilizing "problem-focused coping", which means taking an active approach towards finding a solution. In summation, I will pass along what I tell my players and parents on our Denver Elite lacrosse teams. Instead of finding a better team to play on, find a way to make your team better. This is how you can truly learn to win something of lasting value through the sports.
It's my fourth kid best kids on top teams go D1. Take your loser kid bs some place else
I don't think you understand the article. It is hard to understand what you are trying to say. I don't think the meaning of the article is best players on top teams won't play D1. Try to read it again. I'm sure top players on top teams do play D1 but if they played for the second or third or even fifth best team would they have developed more and played for a better D1 school? What about the bottom players on top teams? Seems they are getting cut and having trouble finding a team. The top 2021 Long Island team wins most games by five to ten goals. It is not changing. If the 8th best team on Long Island played in the B tournaments they would win all games by 5 to 10 goals too. We would all aggree winning games by a lot would teach the kids nothing and they would never loose and never have to pick up and learn from a loss. Same thing happens when the best team destroys everyone. The kids on the team get nothing from that. Very interesting article and makes you think is it better to be on a dream team that is undefeated in most tournaments or a top team who plays close games in the A tournaments. Seems the science points to keeping away from the top team and playing on the second or even fifth best team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's my fourth kid best kids on top teams go D1. Take your loser kid bs some place else
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's my fourth kid best kids on top teams go D1. Take your loser kid bs some place else


Missing the point genius. They'll maybe go D1 but be failures at life and probably end up coaching summer teams and running clinics for the rest of their lives because they never learned really how to achieve in life.
I'm a 2021 travel coach. The parents of my team appreciate the fact we challenge ourselves against superior competition. We still get some of those late-afternoon championship photos when we play well, but that's because we take our losses and learn from them most of the year.

OMG, work ethic carries over to anything you want
To do in life, my kid is on top team, but not on top line,
So he known if he wants to play more next summer he has to work hard.
We been out ever day shooting. I other three are doing very well, sorry just accept your
Kid is not a top kid, and stop bashing the kids that work hard.
There is a history of Long Islands top 2021 team players leaving the organization or getting cut and only being able to find a spot on a B team. This could be a combination of not playing many close games over the years and those kids not getting a lot of playing time. Either one alone would stop kids from getting better but both together is deadly to a kids development. This team chooses to keep playing and destroying 2021 teams to advance the reputation of the organization at the expense of the kids. They can easily play up against 2020 Legacy and Crush and challenge these kids but instead travel long distances to play teams they know they will beat. Parents on any team should determan if their kid has developed like they should on the same team over the year or years. If not it may be time for a change.
If your kid is not on the top line he is not a top player. Almost any kid who plays on the top five teams can make this team as a back up. Hope it works better for you than others who went through this program.

quote=Anonymous]OMG, work ethic carries over to anything you want
To do in life, my kid is on top team, but not on top line,
So he known if he wants to play more next summer he has to work hard.
We been out ever day shooting. I other three are doing very well, sorry just accept your
Kid is not a top kid, and stop bashing the kids that work hard.
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Are you joking dad crush or legacy 2020 would destroy your 2021 team. Not only that but some of your kids might not want to play lax anymore when you are peeling them and carrying them off the field. You might compete at 2021 but playing a year up is a different animal at this age puberty has hit and kids don't play nice anymore.
2021 igloo had trouble with 2020 Vipers. They had trouble with other 2020 B teams too. They should play up. They may not win them all but will be challenged. Crush did it and got better. Igloo won't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you joking dad crush or legacy 2020 would destroy your 2021 team. Not only that but some of your kids might not want to play lax anymore when you are peeling them and carrying them off the field. You might compete at 2021 but playing a year up is a different animal at this age puberty has hit and kids don't play nice anymore.
Add legacy 2021 to the mix of top 5.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Add legacy 2021 to the mix of top 5.

Based on what? Sounds to me all the teams have improved so unless you have played the top the top you stay where you are.
Just what was said have no idea if it is true but heard Team Long Island and Legacy lost a lot of players. Could anyone confirm this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Add legacy 2021 to the mix of top 5.

Based on what? Sounds to me all the teams have improved so unless you have played the top the top you stay where you are.
Other than Igloo 2021, what other 2021 teams played 2020 teams this past summer. 91, Express, icon, Legacy????
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you joking dad crush or legacy 2020 would destroy your 2021 team. Not only that but some of your kids might not want to play lax anymore when you are peeling them and carrying them off the field. You might compete at 2021 but playing a year up is a different animal at this age puberty has hit and kids don't play nice anymore.


Do you ever read back what you write? Defending your middle school age kid's summer lax team like it's the most important thing in the world. So juvenile and outright asinine. Making up for your own shortcomings through your kid?
I hate to drag these teams into this conversation but 91 and Outlaws did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Other than Igloo 2021, what other 2021 teams played 2020 teams this past summer. 91, Express, icon, Legacy????
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I hate to drag these teams into this conversation but 91 and Outlaws did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Other than Igloo 2021, what other 2021 teams played 2020 teams this past summer. 91, Express, icon, Legacy????



Any legitimate 2021 team that played igloo "black ice" this past summer played up because "black ice" had young men who had completed 7th grade playing in 6th grade tournaments.
Lucky Legacy makes top 10, lol
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Add legacy 2021 to the mix of top 5.


Your kidding right ? They 1st 8 of their top 10 players to ninet one orange and igloo avalanche. Lucky if that Blue knights team wins a few games.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I hate to drag these teams into this conversation but 91 and Outlaws did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Other than Igloo 2021, what other 2021 teams played 2020 teams this past summer. 91, Express, icon, Legacy????



Any legitimate 2021 team that played igloo "black ice" this past summer played up because "black ice" had young men who had completed 7th grade playing in 6th grade tournaments.


O PLEASE
Admit what everybody already knows you have kids on that 7th grade igloo team that are in 8th grade. It is a fact!! Playing against younger kids. I'm not impressed by that!!!
One 8th grade kid left this year to play in the proper grade another went to Avalanche. They are still looking to replace the one that left. He was a big part of the team. The team will take a step back with that one loss.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Admit what everybody already knows you have kids on that 7th grade igloo team that are in 8th grade. It is a fact!! Playing against younger kids. I'm not impressed by that!!!
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...
Admit what everybody else knows... Your rant on this board is a waste of time. Spend your time and efforts writing to the U.S. Lacrosse board. Maybe that will make a difference. This is just a waste of everyone's time. Every single team has a degree of older boys /hold backs etc. you want to make a change go where it matters.
Why are people saying 2021 teams should "play up"?

First, many did in Hogan's U13A divisions this past year, probably due to the fact that most top teams have kids that don't mean the 9/1 cutoff. Or other U13 divisions. And did well.

Second, there were a ton of close games among 2021 teams this year. There seem to be 10-15 AA teams that can all give each other a good game. 2021 seems fortunate that way.

Third, playing up sounds good until someone gets hurt or a concussion. At the 2021 level, many of the kids are still . . . kids. While at 2020, many kids have hit puberty.

Fourth, be careful what you wish for. Isn't next June when all the Md private school kids decide to reclass and repeat 8th grade? I think it's ridiculous for a kid to finish 8th grade next Spring and drop down to 2021 - and tournaments should NOT allow - but you know some teams will do it. This Fall and next Spring may be the last time you get to play against teams without holdbacks (although you'll still play teams with a lot of summer bdays). Enjoy it while you can.
Wow, is that true.
AA should be proud....How will they go to Denver this year..Leave those kids behind???
If any kid on any team is not playing half the games playing time or more that kid is not a top player and probably does not belong on the team. The only reason why a parent would keep a kid on a top team if the kid is playing less than half the game is for parent ego. The kids that sit on the bench during the game will sit on the grass during practice. Directors of programs love kids that are willing to sit on the bench. Those kids are harder to find than good players. They pay the full fee to sit on the bench and accept it. Although better kids tryout it is difficult to take that better player because directors don't want to risk the new kid not being happy and leave the next year or cause trouble. So they keep the kid who is willing to sit on the bench and say nothing about it. After all, those bench players never play meaningful minutes on top teams anyway so the outcome of games won't be changed by these bench players. So the coach keeps the kids who accept this role and are happy with it rather than taking a better new player who may leave the next year or cause trouble during the year. Those parents who allow a kid to sit on the bench for more than half the game on a top team and think that good for development are usually the parents that think the team a kid plays for matters when colleges scout players. Again it does not matter which team a kid plays for if he is a top player he will be discovered. Also it can't be fun siting on the bench. If it is not fun eventually the kid will quit or not reach his potential.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
OMG, work ethic carries over to anything you want
To do in life, my kid is on top team, but not on top line,
So he known if he wants to play more next summer he has to work hard.
We been out ever day shooting. I other three are doing very well, sorry just accept your
Kid is not a top kid, and stop bashing the kids that work hard.
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still
Was Mad Dog West an all-star team or a regional team? World Series requires it be a regional team with players within 100 miles.

I expect Greene Turtle and Koopers would be competitive from the Mid-Atlantic. Did Bethesda lose players from 2014 (when they seemed like the top U11 team not named Igloo)?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still

SONS 2021 IS DONE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still

SONS 2021 IS DONE


Koopers from Maryland will be there. Hopkins coach twin boys on that team. Will probably get a LI beatdown!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still

SONS 2021 IS DONE


Koopers from Maryland will be there. Hopkins coach twin boys on that team. Will probably get a LI beatdown!


How many of these teams will make the trip even if they do qualify is the real question?
91 and Igloo
don't see icon make trip or express

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still

SONS 2021 IS DONE


Koopers from Maryland will be there. Hopkins coach twin boys on that team. Will probably get a LI beatdown!


How many of these teams will make the trip even if they do qualify is the real question?
91 and Igloo
don't see icon make trip or express



Of course they would attend. That's not even a question. Try telling your son, "you made it to the WS of lax and could be on TV, BUT naaah, we won't go".
Bethesda - lots of injuries - no excuses - is what it is. Not for Profit - short bench - not making money on kids 20+
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still

SONS 2021 IS DONE


Koopers from Maryland will be there. Hopkins coach twin boys on that team. Will probably get a LI beatdown!


How many of these teams will make the trip even if they do qualify is the real question?
91 and Igloo
don't see icon make trip or express



Of course they would attend. That's not even a question. Try telling your son, "you made it to the WS of lax and could be on TV, BUT naaah, we won't go".


Believe it or not, a lot of teams declined to go last year. They tried to get 16 teams but could only get 10.
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...

I would bet that if we look at rosters of the top 5 2021 teams and 2020 teams you would be surprised how many 2020 could play or do play based on there age on 2021 team. So at the end of the day the age is what matters not the grade. I know a couple of 8th graders who are younger then some of the 7th graders . I don't have a problem with a boy playing down if he fits the age, cause what grade you are in these days means nothing , as we have come to find out.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...


Yes, you are "cheating." If he is in the graduating class of 2020, he plays on a 2020 team - regardless of chronological age. If he dominates the 2021 kids when he plays them, he would be the "victim" in your scenario. How does he get better if he isn't challenged?
...how does he get better if he isn't given the opportunity to play? which is what happens all to often to many kids in the same boat. He plays against 2020 kids who in some cases are 14 - 16 months older than him which is a big deal at this age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...


Yes, you are "cheating." If he is in the graduating class of 2020, he plays on a 2020 team - regardless of chronological age. If he dominates the 2021 kids when he plays them, he would be the "victim" in your scenario. How does he get better if he isn't challenged?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
...how does he get better if he isn't given the opportunity to play? which is what happens all to often to many kids in the same boat. He plays against 2020 kids who in some cases are 14 - 16 months older than him which is a big deal at this age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...


Yes, you are "cheating." If he is in the graduating class of 2020, he plays on a 2020 team - regardless of chronological age. If he dominates the 2021 kids when he plays them, he would be the "victim" in your scenario. How does he get better if he isn't challenged?


Why isn't he given the opportunity to play?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...

I would bet that if we look at rosters of the top 5 2021 teams and 2020 teams you would be surprised how many 2020 could play or do play based on there age on 2021 team. So at the end of the day the age is what matters not the grade. I know a couple of 8th graders who are younger then some of the 7th graders . I don't have a problem with a boy playing down if he fits the age, cause what grade you are in these days means nothing , as we have come to find out.


This topic has been beaten to death on other threads, but if it's a grade based tournament you play by grade; if it's aged based you play by age - and young '20 kids could play with mostly '21s. Anything else is not playing by the rules - though I have no doubt it happens often.

Agree. He would be cheating himself if he plays down. kids that play down or play on teams that win most of the games they play never improve as much as those that have to fight for every inch on the field. If you play your son down to where he dominates or on a team that dominates it will give you short term gratification but by tenth grade many of those 2021 kids who would be more mature by tenth grade and those that played in games that were challenging the prior years will catch up to him and he will no longer dominate 2021 and not be able to compete in 2020. Yes I know people will point to many great players who played down but there are many more failures of kids that played down than successes. Also there are many more success storys of kids that played up or the correct age. It does not surprise me to hear some kids that played on AA teams that were not in challenging games are now getting cut and now play on B teams. Every kid and situation is different so there is no right answer. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...


Yes, you are "cheating." If he is in the graduating class of 2020, he plays on a 2020 team - regardless of chronological age. If he dominates the 2021 kids when he plays them, he would be the "victim" in your scenario. How does he get better if he isn't challenged?
(playing devil's advocate) because he can't make the 2020 A team playing against older kids but can make the 2019 A team against kids closer to his actual age
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
...how does he get better if he isn't given the opportunity to play? which is what happens all to often to many kids in the same boat. He plays against 2020 kids who in some cases are 14 - 16 months older than him which is a big deal at this age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...


Yes, you are "cheating." If he is in the graduating class of 2020, he plays on a 2020 team - regardless of chronological age. If he dominates the 2021 kids when he plays them, he would be the "victim" in your scenario. How does he get better if he isn't challenged?


Why isn't he given the opportunity to play?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...


Yes, you are "cheating." If he is in the graduating class of 2020, he plays on a 2020 team - regardless of chronological age. If he dominates the 2021 kids when he plays them, he would be the "victim" in your scenario. How does he get better if he isn't challenged?

I don't know if you are cheating, but I'm in the same boat. My son is 2021, but is an October birthday. I keep him in 2021 and he plays on what the program now calls an "A" team, but was a very good B team up until this past summer. He would get nothing out of playing 2022, and I refuse to hold him back just to potentially get a chance at a scholarship. I say let him play with the boys he will graduate with, get better by being challenged by the older kids.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(playing devil's advocate) because he can't make the 2020 A team playing against older kids but can make the 2019 A team against kids closer to his actual age
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
...how does he get better if he isn't given the opportunity to play? which is what happens all to often to many kids in the same boat. He plays against 2020 kids who in some cases are 14 - 16 months older than him which is a big deal at this age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...


Yes, you are "cheating." If he is in the graduating class of 2020, he plays on a 2020 team - regardless of chronological age. If he dominates the 2021 kids when he plays them, he would be the "victim" in your scenario. How does he get better if he isn't challenged?


Why isn't he given the opportunity to play?


If he can't make the 2020A team, I highly doubt he would be able to make the 2019A team, don't you?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...

I would bet that if we look at rosters of the top 5 2021 teams and 2020 teams you would be surprised how many 2020 could play or do play based on there age on 2021 team. So at the end of the day the age is what matters not the grade. I know a couple of 8th graders who are younger then some of the 7th graders . I don't have a problem with a boy playing down if he fits the age, cause what grade you are in these days means nothing , as we have come to find out.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...

I would bet that if we look at rosters of the top 5 2021 teams and 2020 teams you would be surprised how many 2020 could play or do play based on there age on 2021 team. So at the end of the day the age is what matters not the grade. I know a couple of 8th graders who are younger then some of the 7th graders . I don't have a problem with a boy playing down if he fits the age, cause what grade you are in these days means nothing , as we have come to find out.


That is 100% incorrect - please don't follow this advice. As one other poster said (and hundreds of other posts have as well), rules are rules. If the teams are graduation year based, then you cannot play down a grade if you are in the grade above - it has NOTHING to do with age WHATSOEVER, it's 100% grad year. That is why everyone complains that little Johnny who had been held back 3 times is crushing their son who is 3 years younger but in the same grade. If it is an age based team (U13, U15 etc.) then it is 100% age, NO MATTER WHAT GRADE YOUR SON IS IN. If he's 15 in 7th grade, he can't play U13 - not legally anyway.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still


How in the world can you list Bethesda in this list??



If he can't make the 2020A team, I highly doubt he would be able to make the 2019A team, don't you? [/quote]

I'm sure that was a typo - meant 2021.
If you have a very young 2020 player (and my 2021 team has no Summer birthday, but about 8 Fall 2002 birthdays), find a U13 team for him to play on. Should be one in a hotbed area. Or find a 2021 team that plans to play in U13 tournaments. Just have the principle not to let him play in any grade-based tournaments.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you have a very young 2020 player (and my 2021 team has no Summer birthday, but about 8 Fall 2002 birthdays), find a U13 team for him to play on. Should be one in a hotbed area. Or find a 2021 team that plans to play in U13 tournaments. Just have the principle not to let him play in any grade-based tournaments.


What LI team has eight fall 2002 birthdays???? Those kids should be in 8th grade. My daughter is 14 and is in 10th grade. 14, yes, the same age as a Crab 2021 "7th grader" that my son's team played this past summer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you have a very young 2020 player (and my 2021 team has no Summer birthday, but about 8 Fall 2002 birthdays), find a U13 team for him to play on. Should be one in a hotbed area. Or find a 2021 team that plans to play in U13 tournaments. Just have the principle not to let him play in any grade-based tournaments.


What LI team has eight fall 2002 birthdays???? Those kids should be in 8th grade. My daughter is 14 and is in 10th grade. 14, yes, the same age as a Crab 2021 "7th grader" that my son's team played this past summer.


Sad part is that most 2021 teams probably have 4-6 Summer 2002 birthdays. Having a U.S. Lacrosse 9/1 compliant team is not very common, at least for single year teams - that's why [lacrosse]'s and World Series moved to 6/1 and 5/1 cutoffs. BS in my view.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you have a very young 2020 player (and my 2021 team has no Summer birthday, but about 8 Fall 2002 birthdays), find a U13 team for him to play on. Should be one in a hotbed area. Or find a 2021 team that plans to play in U13 tournaments. Just have the principle not to let him play in any grade-based tournaments.


What LI team has eight fall 2002 birthdays???? Those kids should be in 8th grade. My daughter is 14 and is in 10th grade. 14, yes, the same age as a Crab 2021 "7th grader" that my son's team played this past summer.


Sad part is that most 2021 teams probably have 4-6 Summer 2002 birthdays. Having a U.S. Lacrosse 9/1 compliant team is not very common, at least for single year teams - that's why [lacrosse]'s and World Series moved to 6/1 and 5/1 cutoffs. BS in my view.



I agree that it is nonsense. We all know what kids who were left back were called when we were younger. Unfortunate as it was, there was a negative stigma attached to someone who had to repeat a grade. Today a kid who is left back, held back, or what ever the PC term is now, is an honor student and the best athlete in the school. What a joke. We have 17 and 18 year olds defending our nation in the military, but in some states a 17 year old is referred to as a sophomore in.... high school. Ultimately the joke will be on those who cheat or game the system, because when things in life turn into a goatf**k, they won't be able to handle it.

BTW, I don't know of any LI 2021 teams that have kids with summer 2002 birthdays. Am I wrong?
Igloo has 5 of them
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has 5 of them



From what I understand, Igloo jettisoned their grade inappropriate players this round of tryouts. They still have 5 2021 kids born prior to 12/1/02? Is this true or conjecture? The Igloo players my son knows well are age appropriate.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has 5 of them


But there in 7th grade correct???
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has 5 of them



From what I understand, Igloo jettisoned their grade inappropriate players this round of tryouts. They still have 5 2021 kids born prior to 12/1/02? Is this true or conjecture? The Igloo players my son knows well are age appropriate.
My son was born late Nov. We had put him in an academic Pre school to get him ready as we knew he would be one of the youngest in his class, and the end of the year both the Pre School and his future school recommended we wait a year. Other then economic advantage there no reason to start him. One Guidance counselor told me ' 90% of my problems come from Nov boys". At the time lax was the furthest thing from my mind, my kid did not even start playing till 3rd grade when he learned all his friends where playing. Plenty of boys born in Oct Nov where held back for academic reasons. There i nothing sinister about it. Lacrosse are the only idiots that go by grade not age
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has 5 of them



From what I understand, Igloo jettisoned their grade inappropriate players this round of tryouts. They still have 5 2021 kids born prior to 12/1/02? Is this true or conjecture? The Igloo players my son knows well are age appropriate.
My son was born late Nov. We had put him in an academic Pre school to get him ready as we knew he would be one of the youngest in his class, and the end of the year both the Pre School and his future school recommended we wait a year. Other then economic advantage there no reason to start him. One Guidance counselor told me ' 90% of my problems come from Nov boys". At the time lax was the furthest thing from my mind, my kid did not even start playing till 3rd grade when he learned all his friends where playing. Plenty of boys born in Oct Nov where held back for academic reasons. There i nothing sinister about it. Lacrosse are the only idiots that go by grade not age


If you truly held back for academic reasons, you are one of the few.

Most claim academic but it's sports driven. Don't fool yourself.
I don't think anyone is complaining about the November 2002 kids especially when held back for academic reasons. US Lacrosse states for all ages:

"It is recommended that when multiple teams exist within a program, the program should consider physical size, skill, and maturity when organizing teams."

This rule is so that older kids that are not as good talent wise, smaller or not as mature could be held back and play as the oldest kid. Kids that are older, bigger or have more talent than most 12 year olds should play up. So the age rules are to help older weaker and smaller players by allowing them to play where they are the oldest. IT IS NOT TO HAVE OLDER TALENTED KIDS THAT CAN COMETETE THE GRADE ABOVE BUT BE THE YOUNGEST PLAY DOWN AND DOMINATE BEING THE OLDEST OR TO FORM DREAM TEAMS THAT HAVE KIDS SO MUCH LARGER THAN THE AVERAGE 12 YEAR OLD. SO YES TEAMS ARE CHEATING WHEN THEY HAVE OLDER KIDS THAT ARE LARGER THAN AVERAGE THAT ARE STARS PLAY EVEN IF THEY FIT IN THIS AGE GROUP. Those kids are meant to play up or grade level. It is disgusting that parents and teams use a rule improperly meant to allow a weaker kid play as the oldest and take a talented kid and make them more dominant by having them play as the oldest. We know which team id guilty of this in 2021. Yes they do cheat even if all the kids are proper age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has 5 of them



From what I understand, Igloo jettisoned their grade inappropriate players this round of tryouts. They still have 5 2021 kids born prior to 12/1/02? Is this true or conjecture? The Igloo players my son knows well are age appropriate.
My son was born late Nov. We had put him in an academic Pre school to get him ready as we knew he would be one of the youngest in his class, and the end of the year both the Pre School and his future school recommended we wait a year. Other then economic advantage there no reason to start him. One Guidance counselor told me ' 90% of my problems come from Nov boys". At the time lax was the furthest thing from my mind, my kid did not even start playing till 3rd grade when he learned all his friends where playing. Plenty of boys born in Oct Nov where held back for academic reasons. There i nothing sinister about it. Lacrosse are the only idiots that go by grade not age
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has 5 of them



From what I understand, Igloo jettisoned their grade inappropriate players this round of tryouts. They still have 5 2021 kids born prior to 12/1/02? Is this true or conjecture? The Igloo players my son knows well are age appropriate.


I understand the same, regarding grade based kids moved to another team.

Not sure about birthdates of those remaining, but Express and 91 have players prior to 12/01/02 as well. Probably pre-K redshirts. Wouldn't be surprised if Outlaws has them as well. Most teams will-especially with the cutoff dates for [lacrosse]'s & World Series. You can't pinpoint one organization, when most are doing it.
I think it's pretty normal in the rest of the country to use a 9/1 cutoff for starting kindegarten, and increasingly common for boys with August and even July birthdays to be held back for scholastic reasons. By scholastic reasons, I mean school increasingly seems tilted against boys aren't naturally built to sit still and quiet for 8 hours without recess, so why stack the deck further by being the youngest boy in the class.
My son has an Aug 30th 03 birthdate. Where should he play
You know, the answer. Its like asking I got a 74 on a test, but to pass I need a 75. Then the next kids bday is aug 29, then the next kid I'd aug 28. No matter what the date is, there will be kids born the previous day.
Aug 30th 03 is U13 under U.S. Lacrosse rules and, for a grade based tournament, would depend whether he's in 7th grade now (2021) or 6th grade (2022).

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son has an Aug 30th 03 birthdate. Where should he play


cant answer it uless I know the grade he is in should be 7th grade
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You know, the answer. Its like asking I got a 74 on a test, but to pass I need a 75. Then the next kids bday is aug 29, then the next kid I'd aug 28. No matter what the date is, there will be kids born the previous day.


Once a date is set- it will be accepted- just like hockey. It can stink to be born on the day before the cut off- but it us what it is.
the best post Ive seen in years... repost on all aged groups

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think anyone is complaining about the November 2002 kids especially when held back for academic reasons. US Lacrosse states for all ages:

"It is recommended that when multiple teams exist within a program, the program should consider physical size, skill, and maturity when organizing teams."

This rule is so that older kids that are not as good talent wise, smaller or not as mature could be held back and play as the oldest kid. Kids that are older, bigger or have more talent than most 12 year olds should play up. So the age rules are to help older weaker and smaller players by allowing them to play where they are the oldest. IT IS NOT TO HAVE OLDER TALENTED KIDS THAT CAN COMETETE THE GRADE ABOVE BUT BE THE YOUNGEST PLAY DOWN AND DOMINATE BEING THE OLDEST OR TO FORM DREAM TEAMS THAT HAVE KIDS SO MUCH LARGER THAN THE AVERAGE 12 YEAR OLD. SO YES TEAMS ARE CHEATING WHEN THEY HAVE OLDER KIDS THAT ARE LARGER THAN AVERAGE THAT ARE STARS PLAY EVEN IF THEY FIT IN THIS AGE GROUP. Those kids are meant to play up or grade level. It is disgusting that parents and teams use a rule improperly meant to allow a weaker kid play as the oldest and take a talented kid and make them more dominant by having them play as the oldest. We know which team id guilty of this in 2021. Yes they do cheat even if all the kids are proper age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has 5 of them



From what I understand, Igloo jettisoned their grade inappropriate players this round of tryouts. They still have 5 2021 kids born prior to 12/1/02? Is this true or conjecture? The Igloo players my son knows well are age appropriate.
My son was born late Nov. We had put him in an academic Pre school to get him ready as we knew he would be one of the youngest in his class, and the end of the year both the Pre School and his future school recommended we wait a year. Other then economic advantage there no reason to start him. One Guidance counselor told me ' 90% of my problems come from Nov boys". At the time lax was the furthest thing from my mind, my kid did not even start playing till 3rd grade when he learned all his friends where playing. Plenty of boys born in Oct Nov where held back for academic reasons. There i nothing sinister about it. Lacrosse are the only idiots that go by grade not age
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still


How in the world can you list Bethesda in this list??



You can take Rising Sons off that list. The team left and the new team will be very different.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still


How in the world can you list Bethesda in this list??



You can take Rising Sons off that list. The team left and the new team will be very different.
what happened? That team was solid!
igloo will never be allowed to go as JS will block that by any means.
Why would someone block Igloo from going to WS?

The one thing that "saves" [lacrosse]'s and WS is that, although they obviously don't get the top 15 teams in the country, it seems like they have often got at least the #1 team so their champion is legit.
No one is. Someone is bored at work and trying to create a topic
Originally Posted by Anonymous
igloo will never be allowed to go as JS will block that by any means.

Who/What is JS and how can any team be blocked?[
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.


91 won't go for the next two years bc they can't win
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.


91 won't go for the next two years bc they can't win


you know that is just not true. 2021 maybe not, but expect to see them quite a bit after that. It is part of the business model.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?


Lost? Or replaced? More likely replaced them and recruited players as an upgrade.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.


"JS" coaches the 91 Crush team. That team is now in 8th grade and obviously does not need any "guest players" under any circumstances . Not sure what JS has to do with a 91 2021 team and how or why he would "rig" the series. sounds ridiculous to me, makes no sense.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.


91 won't go for the next two years bc they can't win


you know that is just not true. 2021 maybe not, but expect to see them quite a bit after that. It is part of the business model.


2022 smash is best on Long Island but can't beat top Maryland teams. Agree it picks back up with the bandits
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?


Lost? Or replaced? More likely replaced them and recruited players as an upgrade.


I think people will be surprised i hear they pick up top kid from rival team ...... should be interesting. .... They will still be tops of the tops
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?


Lost? Or replaced? More likely replaced them and recruited players as an upgrade.


I think people will be surprised i hear they pick up top kid from rival team ...... should be interesting. .... They will still be tops of the tops



What position from what rival team?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?



Can't do that. Have to be a 2021 grad year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?



Can't do that. Have to be a 2021 grad year.

You are correct these are this years rules

Roster Rules
All players must be born on or after 5/1/2001.
All players must be in the Class of 2020 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?



Can't do that. Have to be a 2021 grad year.

You are correct these are this years rules

Roster Rules
All players must be born on or after 5/1/2001.
All players must be in the Class of 2020 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.


Those are last years rules. Assume they would role forward this year
This means most of Crush can play again. Igloo's days of avoiding Crush may come to an end. My prediction is if Some of the Crush players play for 91 then Igloo won't compete. The big surprise player will be very unhappy if he had to travel all that distance and Igloo does not play. Is he 100 miles away from Syosset? He may not be allowed to play because of distance anyway.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?



Can't do that. Have to be a 2021 grad year.

You are correct these are this years rules

Roster Rules
All players must be born on or after 5/1/2001.
All players must be in the Class of 2020 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This means most of Crush can play again. Igloo's days of avoiding Crush may come to an end. My prediction is if Some of the Crush players play for 91 then Igloo won't compete. The big surprise player will be very unhappy if he had to travel all that distance and Igloo does not play. Is he 100 miles away from Syosset? He may not be allowed to play because of distance anyway.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?



Can't do that. Have to be a 2021 grad year.

You are correct these are this years rules

Roster Rules
All players must be born on or after 5/1/2001.
All players must be in the Class of 2020 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.



ZERO crush players will play for Orange, except maybe for one LOL.....All others are all ineligible because they are in 8th grade. What did Igloo pick up an attackman from the Sons? Good luck with that.
Igloo is holding fall practices in metlife stadium so all good
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This means most of Crush can play again. Igloo's days of avoiding Crush may come to an end. My prediction is if Some of the Crush players play for 91 then Igloo won't compete. The big surprise player will be very unhappy if he had to travel all that distance and Igloo does not play. Is he 100 miles away from Syosset? He may not be allowed to play because of distance anyway.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?



Can't do that. Have to be a 2021 grad year.

You are correct these are this years rules

Roster Rules
All players must be born on or after 5/1/2001.
All players must be in the Class of 2020 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.


Read the rules again - all of them, not just the first couple (and add a year to everything). Some may make it based on age (like the leading scorer from this year who is only a 2022), but they "must participate with their team/program on a regular basis" to be eligible. Though I have no idea how they are going to police that one.
Igloo lost players to what team
interesting that there were some 2021 and later kids on Crush. Just along for the ride, maybe but now the 2021 team is better and more experienced for sure.

This will be fun to watch.


Read the rules again - all of them, not just the first couple (and add a year to everything). Some may make it based on age (like the leading scorer from this year who is only a 2022), but they "must participate with their team/program on a regular basis" to be eligible. Though I have no idea how they are going to police that one.

It will probably be policed by other teams watching and reporting if a team adds an unfamiliar player. The team and player would then be confronted. Opposing teams and coaches would likely recognize a "new" impact player if they had previously played the team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still


How in the world can you list Bethesda in this list??



You can take Rising Sons off that list. The team left and the new team will be very different.
what happened? That team was solid!


What happened is the parents on that team were NUTS, good luck to any team that picks those kids up. Most of them (the crazy ones) went to Mesa. They are the "grass is always greener" types. My prediction, they won't be happy anywhere
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still


How in the world can you list Bethesda in this list??



You can take Rising Sons off that list. The team left and the new team will be very different.
what happened? That team was solid!


Entire team quit. Parents blame the coaching, coaches blame the parents. Total circus in amish land
Our Steps team played them, and yes they were good but were the worst parents we had ever seen. I mean ever. Fresh start for that group is a good thing.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our Steps team played them, and yes they were good but were the worst parents we had ever seen. I mean ever. Fresh start for that group is a good thing.


STEPS, although my son's team did not play you during NXT, we had the opportunity to watch you. Nice team and a good program. Good Luck next season.

Looks like Igloo and 91 caused the demise of the SONs. They couldn't pick themselves up after a loss without blaming others.
You guys can't be serious.. Igloo is not a threat to the Crush. Igloo has been avoiding Crush ever since the last time the Crush whopped 'em. Igloo is a solid 2021 team, but no where near the caliber of the Crush.
Has 2021 91 A played Igloos A in the last year ? I know SPallina has been aggressive in reaching out to players to bring them aboard. DId they close the gap?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our Steps team played them, and yes they were good but were the worst parents we had ever seen. I mean ever. Fresh start for that group is a good thing.


Fresh start is exactly what that team needs. No one wants parents with horrible attitudes around. The club is stronger now that they are gone.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has 2021 91 A played Igloos A in the last year ? I know SPallina has been aggressive in reaching out to players to bring them aboard. DId they close the gap?


The gap has been closed by 91, not by Express. 91 may be the only team to defeat Igloo this year.

Express had their chance to rebuild last year when they came within 2 the previous year. Now they have to wait until next year and hope for the catholic holdbacks (8th grade repeaters) to support their few existing mature kids.

91 & Igloo both have many 'mature' 2021s which will show. During tourneys, they should be put in separate bracket so they meet in the championships.

MLT will schedule that way when they run the tourneys I'm sure, but other tourneys run out of state by another org may put both teams in the same bracket to give the home team a chance.

Time will tell!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You guys can't be serious.. Igloo is not a threat to the Crush. Igloo has been avoiding Crush ever since the last time the Crush whopped 'em. Igloo is a solid 2021 team, but no where near the caliber of the Crush.


Crush would beat Igloo 2021 by 20 goals it not even a conversation the beating would be far worse than the total and complete beating a couple of years ago, enough said on this.
I'm a Igloo 2021 parent, and let me tell you that no one on any of the teams at Igloo would say the 2021 Igloo boys would beat the 91 2020 Crush. This is obviously someone just trying to keep a good organization from looking good. Please don't make any mistake about it, Igloo is a great place to play, well organized, no empty promises, tons of great practices with great coaches. Kids feel special, so do the parents. Bottom line they are doing something right, and people along the way from other organizations will hate on them for it. Parents, I love Igloo and if we win, lose or draw my son gets everything we spent our money on and more. Sincerely Happy Igloo Dad.
Well said!! Tony Alexander runs a great program. Cares about All his teams. Very genuine, caring, professional guy. Who cares who wins at these young ages. Let the kids learn the game and improve each year. When they go to prospect college days in 10th grade nowhere does it say how many games did your travel team in 6 7th grade win? lol Enjoy watching your son play time goes by very fast.
Yeah but Igloo just picked up the Sons best player, wth just proves how crazy those parents were on that team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?



Can't do that. Have to be a 2021 grad year.

You are correct these are this years rules

Roster Rules
All players must be born on or after 5/1/2001.
All players must be in the Class of 2020 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.
Wait till you get a load of this dad
Yep, bunch of primadonna's. Sad that it had to happen. They were/are doing a good job down there in amish land.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our Steps team played them, and yes they were good but were the worst parents we had ever seen. I mean ever. Fresh start for that group is a good thing.


STEPS, although my son's team did not play you during NXT, we had the opportunity to watch you. Nice team and a good program. Good Luck next season.

Looks like Igloo and 91 caused the demise of the SONs. They couldn't pick themselves up after a loss without blaming others.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah but Igloo just picked up the Sons best player, wth just proves how crazy those parents were on that team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?



Can't do that. Have to be a 2021 grad year.

You are correct these are this years rules

Roster Rules
All players must be born on or after 5/1/2001.
All players must be in the Class of 2020 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.



100 miles.......for this kid I believe the distance from Igloo's field to his driveway is 99.7 miles.
If that's what you have to keep telling yourself to sleep better at night!
It's amazing how that ESPN TV slot is going to affect 2021 dynamics over the next 10 months.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If that's what you have to keep telling yourself to sleep better at night!



What is this in reference to?
Fresh start is exactly what that team needs. No one wants parents with horrible attitudes around. The club is stronger now that they are gone.
Anyone have any info on Recon 2021? Ranger team vs mountain team? Coaches? Training? Thanks.
Rising Sons 2021 is a completely different team. All new kids
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Well said!! Tony Alexander runs a great program. Cares about All his teams. Very genuine, caring, professional guy. Who cares who wins at these young ages. Let the kids learn the game and improve each year. When they go to prospect college days in 10th grade nowhere does it say how many games did your travel team in 6 7th grade win? lol Enjoy watching your son play time goes by very fast.


Okay I dont know this guy from a hole in the head. That being said, here is my honest advice in travel, screw the coach and the team, have your kid get what they can. I know it makes me sound like a douchbag and a POS. But every year coaches talk about "Band of Brothers" " we are a family" "put the team first" Lets be honest, 4 or 5 of those kids he is speaking to will be cut loose at the end of the season , no family, no loyalty period. Its just the truth. Better a child understands the truth, if your dont make us better, or somebody else can make us better, we will throw you away like a used dishcloth. And that is okay , we live in a tough world. But what your kid should learn, be it he be the one cut or its his teammate who he played elevator tag with is that if you dont perform they get rid of you, the "loyalty family" thing is just a way for the coach to get you to play the way he wants instead of playing selfishly. First and foremost, do everything you can to get yourself better on the field PERIOD, look our for yourself.
FACT! Well said.
This post is correct but there is more to it than this. The situation is two sided. In a perfect world, a group of kids would start off together and play as a team through HS. The problem is that the kids who begin to excel are now too good for that team and are lured away. These decisions to leave are generally made by adults, not the kids. If you asked a kid about who he would rather play with, his friends or a bunch he doesn't know, he will take his friends every time. (Of course the new teammates will become his friends in a short period of time). This is where the program directors and coaches are in a difficult spot. If you don't improve your team each year by upgrading those bottom 3-5 kids, you may lose the top 3-5 because your team isn't "good enough".
This is the environment adults have created, like it or not. Unfortunately, the days of kids and programs being able to show loyalty to each other appears to be over. It is now a matter of keeping up in order to survive for the program and parents looking for greener pastures if things are not exactly what they are looking for. It is now strictly business for both sides.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Well said!! Tony Alexander runs a great program. Cares about All his teams. Very genuine, caring, professional guy. Who cares who wins at these young ages. Let the kids learn the game and improve each year. When they go to prospect college days in 10th grade nowhere does it say how many games did your travel team in 6 7th grade win? lol Enjoy watching your son play time goes by very fast.


Okay I dont know this guy from a hole in the head. That being said, here is my honest advice in travel, screw the coach and the team, have your kid get what they can. I know it makes me sound like a douchbag and a POS. But every year coaches talk about "Band of Brothers" " we are a family" "put the team first" Lets be honest, 4 or 5 of those kids he is speaking to will be cut loose at the end of the season , no family, no loyalty period. Its just the truth. Better a child understands the truth, if your dont make us better, or somebody else can make us better, we will throw you away like a used dishcloth. And that is okay , we live in a tough world. But what your kid should learn, be it he be the one cut or its his teammate who he played elevator tag with is that if you dont perform they get rid of you, the "loyalty family" thing is just a way for the coach to get you to play the way he wants instead of playing selfishly. First and foremost, do everything you can to get yourself better on the field PERIOD, look our for yourself.
True. Although not all are lured away. Some are forced away from the town because of the local cronies and politics running the local lax program - which was hurting the natural friendships to begin with!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This post is correct but there is more to it than this. The situation is two sided. In a perfect world, a group of kids would start off together and play as a team through HS. The problem is that the kids who begin to excel are now too good for that team and are lured away. These decisions to leave are generally made by adults, not the kids. If you asked a kid about who he would rather play with, his friends or a bunch he doesn't know, he will take his friends every time. (Of course the new teammates will become his friends in a short period of time). This is where the program directors and coaches are in a difficult spot. If you don't improve your team each year by upgrading those bottom 3-5 kids, you may lose the top 3-5 because your team isn't "good enough".
This is the environment adults have created, like it or not. Unfortunately, the days of kids and programs being able to show loyalty to each other appears to be over. It is now a matter of keeping up in order to survive for the program and parents looking for greener pastures if things are not exactly what they are looking for. It is now strictly business for both sides.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Well said!! Tony Alexander runs a great program. Cares about All his teams. Very genuine, caring, professional guy. Who cares who wins at these young ages. Let the kids learn the game and improve each year. When they go to prospect college days in 10th grade nowhere does it say how many games did your travel team in 6 7th grade win? lol Enjoy watching your son play time goes by very fast.


Okay I dont know this guy from a hole in the head. That being said, here is my honest advice in travel, screw the coach and the team, have your kid get what they can. I know it makes me sound like a douchbag and a POS. But every year coaches talk about "Band of Brothers" " we are a family" "put the team first" Lets be honest, 4 or 5 of those kids he is speaking to will be cut loose at the end of the season , no family, no loyalty period. Its just the truth. Better a child understands the truth, if your dont make us better, or somebody else can make us better, we will throw you away like a used dishcloth. And that is okay , we live in a tough world. But what your kid should learn, be it he be the one cut or its his teammate who he played elevator tag with is that if you dont perform they get rid of you, the "loyalty family" thing is just a way for the coach to get you to play the way he wants instead of playing selfishly. First and foremost, do everything you can to get yourself better on the field PERIOD, look our for yourself.

I think it has been strictly business for the programs for quite a while. Charging 2-3k a season made it that way. The parents of the better kids don't want to shell out that kind of money and not have their kids challenged at practice. Can you blame them? That's what PAL is for. It's a shame but it is not going back any time soon.
Can anyone post who the coachs are for 91,Igloo,Icon and express.
Thanks
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone post who the coachs are for 91,Igloo,Icon and express.
Thanks


How about you go on their web sites? How lazy can you be?
Why is it that a lot of high-end clubs not say on their websites what tournaments they are going to attend?

It's pretty common for some clubs and a nice way to evaluate a club or, in some cases, to know that a given tournament is going to have good competition.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is it that a lot of high-end clubs not say on their websites what tournaments they are going to attend?

It's pretty common for some clubs and a nice way to evaluate a club or, in some cases, to know that a given tournament is going to have good competition.


It's because many don't want to face certain other teams that they may lose to, thereby reducing their stock!
NO


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone post who the coachs are for 91,Igloo,Icon and express.
Thanks
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is it that a lot of high-end clubs not say on their websites what tournaments they are going to attend?

It's pretty common for some clubs and a nice way to evaluate a club or, in some cases, to know that a given tournament is going to have good competition.


It's because many don't want to face certain other teams that they may lose to, thereby reducing their stock!


I know that 91 and Legacy do that.
Did Bluefish start calling for this age?
bluefish results are on the website by pinnie number, and yes they called and emailed.
Very ignorant to think only Long Island teams will go to Denver. Watch out for several teams fron Ct, HUdson Valley and Rochester area, more specifically Eclipse, Primetime and Victor.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very ignorant to think only Long Island teams will go to Denver. Watch out for several teams fron Ct, HUdson Valley and Rochester area, more specifically Eclipse, Primetime and Victor.


Not very ignorant at all, just very astute. LI teams will be the odds on favorites.
Igloo Black ice and Eclipse CT
Should be the 2 powers U13
I would not be to quick to automatically think Igloo will be Top this upcoming season. 91 has put together a powerhouse team , with powerhouse coaching . The new addition of a familiar coach will properly set the tone of Winning it all !


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo Black ice and Eclipse CT
Should be the 2 powers U13
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would not be to quick to automatically think Igloo will be Top this upcoming season. 91 has put together a powerhouse team , with powerhouse coaching . The new addition of a familiar coach will properly set the tone of Winning it all !


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo Black ice and Eclipse CT
Should be the 2 powers U13


Who is this powerhouse of a coach? Will igloo need kryptonite ? Is it the man of steel ....Look its a bird its a plan its SUPER COACH !!!!! Teacher by day Super Coach at night ....will he get changed in the porta potties? Will they get it right this year and finally beat The igloos and if they do what does it really mean .........NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
Who is this 91 powerhouse of a coach? Will igloo need kryptonite ? Is it the man of steel ....Look its a bird its a plan its SUPER COACH !!!!! Teacher by day Super Coach at night ....will he get changed in the porta potties? Will they get it right this year and finally beat The igloos and if they do what does it really mean .........NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
I think when anyone would look at the coaching for the 2021 teams I would think no one could compare to the staff at Icon.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think when anyone would look at the coaching for the 2021 teams I would think no one could compare to the staff at Icon.


NON ICON PARENT AND I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE THEY ARE ICONS IN THE SPORT OF LACROSSE
Everyone knows Long Island is the mecca of lacrosse. Just saying Long Island Express & 91 were not so dominant last season. I agree with Black Ice and Icon both were top notch.

As for PT & Eclipse they both have new talent and are playing year round.
Hi all. I'm new to this Board. My son came home from middle school and said he wants to try lacrosse. He hasn't played sports in a couple of years but was OK at baseball. I've read the posts and it seems like the best teams are Igloo Black Ice and Icon Orange. Would these be good teams for him? How do i sign him up? What is a good stick? Any information is appreciated.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo Black ice and Eclipse CT
Should be the 2 powers U13


Igloo yes, not to sure about Eclipse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hi all. I'm new to this Board. My son came home from middle school and said he wants to try lacrosse. He hasn't played sports in a couple of years but was OK at baseball. I've read the posts and it seems like the best teams are Igloo Black Ice and Icon Orange. Would these be good teams for him? How do i sign him up? What is a good stick? Any information is appreciated.


Very funny.
Originally Posted by Tycotian
Everyone knows Long Island is the mecca of lacrosse. Just saying Long Island Express & 91 were not so dominant last season. I agree with Black Ice and Icon both were top notch.

As for PT & Eclipse they both have new talent and are playing year round.



What tournaments did you see Express play in?
Super series & lax clash
Originally Posted by Tycotian
Super series & lax clash





Was Super series NLF?
Yes NLF. They were good but not great. They played laxachusettes and HHH in tight games won one and lost one. HHH has one great player and after that they are average.
Wow. Legacy is having Tryouts for 2021 again ? Multiple sources tell me those teams are already full.My understanding is that they are pretty much full BOC took a certain organization tot eh woodshed and banned them for unethical behavior and ripping people off. I applaud them for this. But will other organization be held to the same scrutiny ? Charging people for tryouts and getting kids hopes up when there are no positions open is a pure money grab. Other organizations at this point will post , our X team needs a Middy, our Y team needs a d pole and Goalie . Call if you are interested. To have a trout where several hundred people show up for maybe 3 overall spots in the entire organization seems pretty crappy
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow. Legacy is having Tryouts for 2021 again ? Multiple sources tell me those teams are already full.My understanding is that they are pretty much full BOC took a certain organization tot eh woodshed and banned them for unethical behavior and ripping people off. I applaud them for this. But will other organization be held to the same scrutiny ? Charging people for tryouts and getting kids hopes up when there are no positions open is a pure money grab. Other organizations at this point will post , our X team needs a Middy, our Y team needs a d pole and Goalie . Call if you are interested. To have a trout where several hundred people show up for maybe 3 overall spots in the entire organization seems pretty crappy


Last year they had 3 teams at this age so keep that in mind before you go after anyone.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow. Legacy is having Tryouts for 2021 again ? Multiple sources tell me those teams are already full.My understanding is that they are pretty much full BOC took a certain organization tot eh woodshed and banned them for unethical behavior and ripping people off. I applaud them for this. But will other organization be held to the same scrutiny ? Charging people for tryouts and getting kids hopes up when there are no positions open is a pure money grab. Other organizations at this point will post , our X team needs a Middy, our Y team needs a d pole and Goalie . Call if you are interested. To have a trout where several hundred people show up for maybe 3 overall spots in the entire organization seems pretty crappy


Last year they had 3 teams at this age so keep that in mind before you go after anyone.
My understanding is that they are not having 3 teams. They announced as much
They have confirmed that they will only have 2 teams this year. Don't forget to visit the gift shop and sign up for the golf tournament. The raincoats are on sale.
Did the Rising Sons player join Igloo yet?
Huh, u must be joking?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They have confirmed that they will only have 2 teams this year. Don't forget to visit the gift shop and sign up for the golf tournament. The raincoats are on sale.


Raincoats!1 I am in...What else is on sale??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They have confirmed that they will only have 2 teams this year. Don't forget to visit the gift shop and sign up for the golf tournament. The raincoats are on sale.


Raincoats!1 I am in...What else is on sale??


Kool aid, lots of Kool aid
Um yeah, sure those igloo parents are thrilled. He will make 1/3 of the practices.Probably no winter skills since their during the week and will start at attack.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did the Rising Sons player join Igloo yet?
Joking cmon man ESPN2 all day.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Huh, u must be joking?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Joking cmon man ESPN2 all day.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Huh, u must be joking?


He lives way more than 100 miles from their home field. That is a rule in Denver. He can't play
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They have confirmed that they will only have 2 teams this year. Don't forget to visit the gift shop and sign up for the golf tournament. The raincoats are on sale.


Raincoats!1 I am in...What else is on sale??


Who coaches that team
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Joking cmon man ESPN2 all day.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Huh, u must be joking?


He lives way more than 100 miles from their home field. That is a rule in Denver. He can't play


Family has a 2nd home in Hamptons
Am I the only one who thinks the WSYL won't even happen again. No schedule, no news, no qualifying info. Sure ratings were low.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Am I the only one who thinks the WSYL won't even happen again. No schedule, no news, no qualifying info. Sure ratings were low.
Yes, you are only one
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Am I the only one who thinks the WSYL won't even happen again. No schedule, no news, no qualifying info. Sure ratings were low.


I agree. Crickets so far. Haven't updated the website with any info for this year. They were planning on adding girls this year and now that info is completely gone from the website
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Am I the only one who thinks the WSYL won't even happen again. No schedule, no news, no qualifying info. Sure ratings were low.


I agree. Crickets so far. Haven't updated the website with any info for this year. They were planning on adding girls this year and now that info is completely gone from the website


Call them they answer ask any question u want
The clubs they want know the qualifying dates
Will be interesting to see the impact igloo feels from playing with all 2021 players as the kids that were playing down as 2020 players have moved on
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will be interesting to see the impact igloo feels from playing with all 2021 players as the kids that were playing down as 2020 players have moved on


Igloo has plenty of kids that should be on 2020 teams...they were early adopters of the age bending
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will be interesting to see the impact igloo feels from playing with all 2021 players as the kids that were playing down as 2020 players have moved on


Igloo has plenty of kids that should be on 2020 teams...they were early adopters of the age bending


The real question is how the heck they got away with for years. Really a disgrace to call themselves a 2021 team if they had even one 2020 player on the team. Their ways will catch up with them eventually.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will be interesting to see the impact igloo feels from playing with all 2021 players as the kids that were playing down as 2020 players have moved on


Igloo has plenty of kids that should be on 2020 teams...they were early adopters of the age bending


The real question is how the heck they got away with for years. Really a disgrace to call themselves a 2021 team if they had even one 2020 player on the team. Their ways will catch up with them eventually.


And where did those players go? Igloo 2020?
one of the '20's went to ride the bench of crush..."gods gift" to crush.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
one of the '20's went to ride the bench of crush..."gods gift" to crush.


Thank God
Cut off is Aug 31, 2002 for 2021 team. Look at the USL website.
Roster Rules for World Series of Youth Lacrosse

All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002.
All players must be in the Class of 2021 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Roster Rules for World Series of Youth Lacrosse

All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002.
All players must be in the Class of 2021 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.


May 1 Birthday??? That is a total appeasement to all the grade base teams...If they wanted some leeway it should have been July 1 at most... Now teams from all over the country beside the Balt area and a couple of other areas will be at a disadvantage...Most teams will go by Sept 1 birthday like USL...Once again the holdbacks win ...Playing down,,yea for the cheaters at youth lacrosse
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cut off is Aug 31, 2002 for 2021 team. Look at the USL website.



August 31, 2002 is the cut off for a U team. In NYS December 1, 2002 is the cut off for a 2021 team.
Thats not true at all. There is no "cutoff" for a 2021 Team. It is simply whether the kid is in a grade that will graduate in 2021 - so 7th grade. Age has nothing to do with Grade Based / Grad Year Teams - like it or not.
What do USL rules have anything to do with actual lacrosse?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Roster Rules for World Series of Youth Lacrosse

All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002.
All players must be in the Class of 2021 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.


May 1 Birthday??? That is a total appeasement to all the grade base teams...If they wanted some leeway it should have been July 1 at most... Now teams from all over the country beside the Balt area and a couple of other areas will be at a disadvantage...Most teams will go by Sept 1 birthday like USL...Once again the holdbacks win ...Playing down,,yea for the cheaters at youth lacrosse


So they set birthdate rules and limit the potential spread of ages and you don't like it, they have grade and age but it isn't enough for you, they also established a geography limit. Still not enough? I guess you have to start your own program.

What do you have to bring to us? Let's call it the Fantasyland/Pollyanna Lax Open.

No kid should be playing with a birthday before 9/1/02. that simple.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will be interesting to see the impact igloo feels from playing with all 2021 players as the kids that were playing down as 2020 players have moved on


Igloo has plenty of kids that should be on 2020 teams...they were early adopters of the age bending


The real question is how the heck they got away with for years. Really a disgrace to call themselves a 2021 team if they had even one 2020 player on the team. Their ways will catch up with them eventually.


And where did those players go? Igloo 2020?



Sorry no 2020 igloo kids on Crush, 1 tried out didn't make it
So does Igloo have any 8th graders on their team, don't care about birthday if they are in class of 2021 they play 2021 if in class of 2020 they play 2020.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No kid should be playing with a birthday before 9/1/02. that simple.


while you might be on the moral high ground, unfortunately you don't make the rules. Live with it, it is better than no age limit.
I heard the same, that you did not make the team during the actual tryout process.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No kid should be playing with a birthday before 9/1/02. that simple.


while you might be on the moral high ground, unfortunately you don't make the rules. Live with it, it is better than no age limit.


Boom - headshot. 100% correct, BTW - "should", "shouldn't" don't come into play - rules are rules, if you don't like it try and get them changed, or play only age based tourney and clubs...
I was at a prospect day with my older boy D1 school, and there was a kid that was good to ok, problem was he already reclassified. and all the coaches, know that. remember cheaters ever win.
The Quiet before the Storm
Who is playing on Columbus Day?
Express and Outlawz
Yes and since it is a Legacy tournament they will be there. Also both igloo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express and Outlawz
ITS COMING
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ITS COMING


It's a fall tournament after three practices, mr ominous october promoter.
What's the name of the tournament on Columbus Day?
deeeeez nutzzz!
Found it interesting that Legacy Greyhounds (aka Blue Knights) is afraid to play against Express A.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes and since it is a Legacy tournament they will be there. Also both igloo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express and Outlawz
It will be Legacy and Igloo 2021 in Finals. Igloo has cake schedule play no one. Legacy will beat Sons handidly and meet Igloo in finals. Legacy will take it easy on tony's squad will in like 8-2 and every igloo parent will say we hung with 2020 Legacy. Joke.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes and since it is a Legacy tournament they will be there. Also both igloo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express and Outlawz
It will be Legacy and Igloo 2021 in Finals. Igloo has cake schedule play no one. Legacy will beat Sons handidly and meet Igloo in finals. Legacy will take it easy on tony's squad will in like 8-2 and every igloo parent will say we hung with 2020 Legacy. Joke.

Is there a schedule out?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes and since it is a Legacy tournament they will be there. Also both igloo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express and Outlawz
It will be Legacy and Igloo 2021 in Finals. Igloo has cake schedule play no one. Legacy will beat Sons handidly and meet Igloo in finals. Legacy will take it easy on tony's squad will in like 8-2 and every igloo parent will say we hung with 2020 Legacy. Joke.


Express Leghart will beat Igloo
Is igloo '21 playing in a '20 bracket?
Is the schedule out or you just talking smack.

what does the 2021 bracket look like?
your nuts, Igloo Black ice will destroy Express
"your nuts, Igloo Black ice will destroy Express"

Igloo Big balls; I hope they play. I bet '20 express legs wins.
Columbus Day invitational is on tourney machine.
Black Ice playing up in 2020 bracket.
Columbus Day Invitational 2021 Bracket

LIE Channy
LIE Karkoski
Legacy Titans
Legacy Greyhounds*
Outlaws
Igloo Avalanche
Eclipse, CT

Why does Legacy Greyhounds have an asterik?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is the schedule out or you just talking smack.

what does the 2021 bracket look like?


Its got a bunch of rectangles with teams names written in them. There also field numbers and times
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Columbus Day Invitational 2021 Bracket

LIE Channy
LIE Karkoski
Legacy Titans
Legacy Greyhounds*
Outlaws
Igloo Avalanche
Eclipse, CT


Because they have the easiest schedule in the bunch?
Why does Legacy Greyhounds have an asterik?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Columbus Day invitational is on tourney machine.
Black Ice playing up in 2020 bracket.
So what we aren't playing anyone
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Columbus Day invitational is on tourney machine.
Black Ice playing up in 2020 bracket.
So what we aren't playing anyone
Wouldn't exactly call it playing up when you are playing, Ravage, Leggy, and Leghart.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"your nuts, Igloo Black ice will destroy Express"

Igloo Big balls; I hope they play. I bet '20 express legs wins.


14-0. would go ahead and rethink that one. baby steps, maybe just try and put one on the board
Looking at scores - how in the world can the 2020 Express Teams suck this bad - where did the talent go?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes and since it is a Legacy tournament they will be there. Also both igloo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express and Outlawz
It will be Legacy and Igloo 2021 in Finals. Igloo has cake schedule play no one. Legacy will beat Sons handidly and meet Igloo in finals. Legacy will take it easy on tony's squad will in like 8-2 and every igloo parent will say we hung with 2020 Legacy. Joke.
spot on
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking at scores - how in the world can the 2020 Express Teams suck this bad - where did the talent go?


The Express 2020 A team didn't attend this tourney. I guess it was their B teams that played. I thought they would have a better showing as well. Not sure I would make any assumptions off of this one tourney though.

I would have liked to have seen Taz and Sons in the finals. I think they were the strongest teams in the division.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes and since it is a Legacy tournament they will be there. Also both igloo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express and Outlawz
It will be Legacy and Igloo 2021 in Finals. Igloo has cake schedule play no one. Legacy will beat Sons handidly and meet Igloo in finals. Legacy will take it easy on tony's squad will in like 8-2 and every igloo parent will say we hung with 2020 Legacy. Joke.
spot on


Err....pretty sure Legacy was trying hard to win. It was only a 4 goal game which is a little tight to take your foot off the gas. Also, if they were "taking it easy" as you suggest that would be rather inconsistent with their 19-0 victory earlier in the day over Express North. I don't think Taz is a "take it easy" kind of team. Maybe tip your cap to Igloo and just try saying "good game" for once.
As far as spot on goes, Legacy tied Sons, they were lucky to make it to the finals
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes and since it is a Legacy tournament they will be there. Also both igloo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express and Outlawz
It will be Legacy and Igloo 2021 in Finals. Igloo has cake schedule play no one. Legacy will beat Sons handidly and meet Igloo in finals. Legacy will take it easy on tony's squad will in like 8-2 and every igloo parent will say we hung with 2020 Legacy. Joke.
spot on


Err....pretty sure Legacy was trying hard to win. It was only a 4 goal game which is a little tight to take your foot off the gas. Also, if they were "taking it easy" as you suggest that would be rather inconsistent with their 19-0 victory earlier in the day over Express North. I don't think Taz is a "take it easy" kind of team. Maybe tip your cap to Igloo and just try saying "good game" for once.


It was a competitive game. I respect Igloo for challenging themselves playing up and making it to the championship showing well. I have two questions, why are the Express teams so weak? And why did the Terps hide, not like they were doing anything this weekend. Scared of Legacy maybe?
LIE Channy looked great today. Ran thru the teams for the championship. Much better than last season. Several good additions.
Take the 2020 div to the 2020 thread. Taz is not reading this thread, talk smack over there.
As far as anyone being scared of legacy, what happened to them in the 2021?

Err....pretty sure Legacy was trying hard to win. It was only a 4 goal game which is a little tight to take your foot off the gas. Also, if they were "taking it easy" as you suggest that would be rather inconsistent with their 19-0 victory earlier in the day over Express North. I don't think Taz is a "take it easy" kind of team. Maybe tip your cap to Igloo and just try saying "good game" for once. [/quote]

It was a competitive game. I respect Igloo for challenging themselves playing up and making it to the championship showing well. I have two questions, why are the Express teams so weak? And why did the Terps hide, not like they were doing anything this weekend. Scared of Legacy maybe?


Express won 2 of the 5 brackets (2021 and 2022). The brackets they did not win their best teams did not play (2020 and 2023). They probably would have also won those if their top teams played and not their B teams.
This is a dumb post. Express won three games by the scores of 8-7 7-5 and 7-3. They were behind in all these games for a long time. This is hardly running through these teams. The only game they had an easy win was against the Avalace team who they beat 10-4. Lucky black Ice played up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
LIE Channy looked great today. Ran thru the teams for the championship. Much better than last season. Several good additions.
Ran thru teams? They only beat CT Eclipse 8-7 and then 7-5 in finals. Seems pretty tight esp versus a non Long Island team.
I agree this is the 2021 thread. Give cudos to LIE Channy. They beat a talented Eclipse team twice.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Err....pretty sure Legacy was trying hard to win. It was only a 4 goal game which is a little tight to take your foot off the gas. Also, if they were "taking it easy" as you suggest that would be rather inconsistent with their 19-0 victory earlier in the day over Express North. I don't think Taz is a "take it easy" kind of team. Maybe tip your cap to Igloo and just try saying "good game" for once.


It was a competitive game. I respect Igloo for challenging themselves playing up and making it to the championship showing well. I have two questions, why are the Express teams so weak? And why did the Terps hide, not like they were doing anything this weekend. Scared of Legacy maybe?


Express won 2 of the 5 brackets (2021 and 2022). The brackets they did not win their best teams did not play (2020 and 2023). They probably would have also won those if their top teams played and not their B teams. [/quote]

They didn’t play because they didn't want to be embarrassed, been dodging for a while. Can't hide forever!
Express 2021 B team looked horrible, it looked like PAL B team. way to many kids on that team as well.
They only beat CT Eclipse 8-7 and then 7-5 in finals. Seems pretty tight esp versus a non Long Island team.

It was the eclipse U13 team. Believe the same team that played in world championships out in Denver last summer. Those were good wins against a good team.
no not the same team but several kids did play up and attend the WSYL last season. Channy has good talent but play extremely hard and that was the difference in both Eclipse games
Did express have Icon kids play with them?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes and since it is a Legacy tournament they will be there. Also both igloo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express and Outlawz
It will be Legacy and Igloo 2021 in Finals. Igloo has cake schedule play no one. Legacy will beat Sons handidly and meet Igloo in finals. Legacy will take it easy on tony's squad will in like 8-2 and every igloo parent will say we hung with 2020 Legacy. Joke.
spot on


Err....pretty sure Legacy was trying hard to win. It was only a 4 goal game which is a little tight to take your foot off the gas. Also, if they were "taking it easy" as you suggest that would be rather inconsistent with their 19-0 victory earlier in the day over Express North. I don't think Taz is a "take it easy" kind of team. Maybe tip your cap to Igloo and just try saying "good game" for once.
I'm Sons would have not taken it easy on Igloo. I would have like to see them instead of TAZ as TZ and AA are to good of friends. You could hear the igloo parents begging not to have to play Sons.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did express have Icon kids play with them?


Yes he played
Off season saw the better clubs poach Legacys players and while their loss to the Wolverines is not the end being soundly beaten by the Outlaws is troubling at best for them. LAst year year they edged put the Outlaws but this year it was a sound beating. The Outlaws still seem to be the team scratching to get into double AA and the WOlverines handled them after a rocky start. With TLI in turmoil as well looks like the Outlaws will cement itslef in the top 5 , Express, Igloo and Icon. Will be a fun season,. Has Channy righted the ship ? Can Igloo continue its improbable run as the best 2021 team after appearing out of thin air 5 years ago ? Can Icon ? Can the Outlaws team play philosophy get them over the hump against teams with better talent. Will most of the SOns players pass their road test in the next few months ? Time will tell, be prepared for snow in the ground and expensive indoor fees while they wait it out.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did express have Icon kids play with them?


Yes he played


THEY
How was the Black Ice championship game against TAZ? Kudos on playing up for the competition but I'm curious about how playing older (and presumably bigger) kids affected gameplay? That's an age range where a year makes a big difference. I notice it mostly on GB's and sometimes my little guys slide perfectly but bounce off a big 2020.
Is that true the Express 2021 team had outsiders
Lol
Perhaps they would look better if they had their own goalie and if they didn't have kids who have never played before on the team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express 2021 B team looked horrible, it looked like PAL B team. way to many kids on that team as well.
The Legacy vs Igloo Championship game played yesterday was Legacy 10 Igloo 3 who ever put the score down as 8-4 is a bunch of crap. Igloo had no chance, even while Legacy made multiple mistakes in the second half.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did express have Icon kids play with them?


Yes he played


THEY


Along with literally 30 other kids on the team! The bench was size was beyond reprehensible!

It looked like a picture perfect money grab but came across more like an act of desperation by the owner to get this team where it should have been a few years ago. He was probably too busy focusing on the very very few chosen ones all this time and not the team. Cramming for this year's big test!
I watched Express Wolves vs the Outlaws and "he" played for Express the entire game. He did not get one second of rest. I guess they were afraid to take him out of the game when the Outlaws went up by 3 goals and leading for most of the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did express have Icon kids play with them?


Yes he played


THEY


Along with literally 30 other kids on the team! The bench was size was beyond reprehensible!

It looked like a picture perfect money grab but came across more like an act of desperation by the owner to get this team where it should have been a few years ago. He was probably too busy focusing on the very very few chosen ones all this time and not the team. Cramming for this year's big test!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I watched Express Wolves vs the Outlaws and "he" played for Express the entire game. He did not get one second of rest. I guess they were afraid to take him out of the game when the Outlaws went up by 3 goals and leading for most of the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did express have Icon kids play with them?


Yes he played



THEY


Along with literally 30 other kids on the team! The bench was size was beyond reprehensible!

It looked like a picture perfect money grab but came across more like an act of desperation by the owner to get this team where it should have been a few years ago. He was probably too busy focusing on the very very few chosen ones all this time and not the team. Cramming for this year's big test!


And it's only the first tournament of the season. No reason to think the act will change. There will be 40 kids on the team soon and the money will be falling out of his pockets! And the way the guy kisses up to a few of those kids is weird.
I also know that Express tried to recruit at least one other Icon kid but was turned down, which is the right thing to do.
Also does anyone know how many of the Igloo kids are in fact 8th grade if any, don't care about age just grade
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Legacy vs Igloo Championship game played yesterday was Legacy 10 Igloo 3 who ever put the score down as 8-4 is a bunch of crap. Igloo had no chance, even while Legacy made multiple mistakes in the second half.


Whatever the final score was Legacy should be taking out your face-off guy for steak and lobster ..... he was very good and a large reason they won the game if Igloo won 2 face-off that was a lot . BTW Final score was 8-4 and Legacy won 95% of the face-offs
Curious to see where the Express guest players play for WSYL ......should be interesting If i was a betting man I would say EXPRESS
How many players played Monday that were not on the Express team and were they all Icon player So?
Igloo got a easy Schedule and Should of not of even of been in the Championship.
It should of been Sons and TAZ.
If Icon lost their best player and other players are they still in the top 4? If these players from Icon were just guest players is Express a top 4 team? Are they playing for both teams the entire year or just yesterday? At least everyone looked the proper age yesterday for all the teams that played in the 2021 bracket except the CT team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I watched Express Wolves vs the Outlaws and "he" played for Express the entire game. He did not get one second of rest. I guess they were afraid to take him out of the game when the Outlaws went up by 3 goals and leading for most of the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did express have Icon kids play with them?


Yes he played



THEY


Along with literally 30 other kids on the team! The bench was size was beyond reprehensible!

It looked like a picture perfect money grab but came across more like an act of desperation by the owner to get this team where it should have been a few years ago. He was probably too busy focusing on the very very few chosen ones all this time and not the team. Cramming for this year's big test!


And it's only the first tournament of the season. No reason to think the act will change. There will be 40 kids on the team soon and the money will be falling out of his pockets! And the way the guy kisses up to a few of those kids is weird.
CT. team is all legit. It was made specifically for the WSYL so everyone is a 7th grader. If Express Channy had Icon players that makes me think Eclipse were the better team. I guess Long Island just being Long Island.
CT team was a U13 team.

Not a big deal, but not a 2021 unit. They were very good though.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I also know that Express tried to recruit at least one other Icon kid but was turned down, which is the right thing to do.
Also does anyone know how many of the Igloo kids are in fact 8th grade if any, don't care about age just grade


PLEASE
Only 4 teams from NY/New England can qualify for WSYL. Igloo is a lock - then a fight for the other three spots. Doubt Express will be in mix - likely 91 - as they will have players who are grade eligible from Crush Team at 2021. maybe one more long island team - but good chance a New England Team or Two in mix. Not going to be easy to qualify.

Not easy in Mid-Atlantic Region either - 4 teams from MD, NJ, PA, VA, DE…….
Don't say they are all 7th graders. Your web site says there is a U13 team and a 2021 team. The U13 team plays the fall tournaments. 2021 does not. Why would your website call this team u13 if it was a legit 2021 team? They were a good 7th grade team but not so good if older kids played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
CT. team is all legit. It was made specifically for the WSYL so everyone is a 7th grader. If Express Channy had Icon players that makes me think Eclipse were the better team. I guess Long Island just being Long Island.
All of the eighth graders play on the ct eclipse 2020 team. Furthermore, according to WSYL, only 2021 (or earlier) may be on the u13 team. The eclipse team is a 2021 team geared towards making the WSYL tournament.
Right, for that U13 Eclipse, leading up to tryouts, they made it clear that the team was being formed to qualify for the WSYL and that players needed to both meet the birthdate requirement and be a 2021. I am not affiliated with eclipse, but it looks like they are doing this legit.
Has to be 2021 AND be born AFTER 5/1/2002.

Highly doubt any Team from CT will qualify from the Region.
Amazing how WSYL is a made-up-from-thin-air event but because championship is on ESPN2 EVERYONE wants to play in it. I'm not criticizing, because I feel the same way, but what does that say about us?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amazing how WSYL is a made-up-from-thin-air event but because championship is on ESPN2 EVERYONE wants to play in it. I'm not criticizing, because I feel the same way, but what does that say about us?
Not sure what it says, but as a parent of a player that did participate last year, it was a great experience and ALL the kids, win or lose had a blast. Lots of great memories made. Good luck to the 2021 teams!
With regards to the statement about how "highly doubt any team from CT will qualify because they can't meet the age and grade criteria" ...

It is true that there area lot of teams out there (most often MD and Canada referenced) that play older kids down. However, there is a bit of a dynamic on this board developing where some LI people automatically assume any good non-LI team must be playing older kids down if they are competitive with the best LI teams. This is being assumed too frequently as a knee-jerk reaction with no actual knowledge. Happening in this thread right now related to the Eclipse team.

LI people, the world doesn't end if legit age/grade teams beat the best LI teams. And it is only going to happen more and more going forward ...

was not a comment about the age requirement - was doubting a CT will qualify as one of the 4 teams that qualify from Region of NY/New England.

Why would parents put there kid on a team with 30 plus kids and guess players coming in every tournament, you are taking a whole summer away from your kid. Go to a team that he will play on and let him enjoy the game on the field. It's not about you dad.
The CT team was good but common. If on Long Island they would not be on the top four.
quote=Anonymous]CT. team is all legit. It was made specifically for the WSYL so everyone is a 7th grader. If Express Channy had Icon players that makes me think Eclipse were the better team. I guess Long Island just being Long Island. [/quote]
All the Icon players are still intact even the one who was guest player for express, don't ask me why they would have him or any other player take time away from their regular players. He has been trying to get a few of the other Icon players the past two years but they have not left.
Regional Qualifier Schedule/Locations have been announced for WSYL. For NY/New England - is weekend of April 2nd.

Info no won WSYL Website. Top 4 Teams from each Regional Qualifier (all in april) go to Denver.
Where did you see "Top 4" teams from each qualifier go to Denver? I just read champion and "multiple" and "other top" teams.

I've heard the event was a blast, but would be expensive. What are thoughts of folks whether it is worth going if you're a team that is good enough to give top teams a good game on the field if not the scoreboard.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amazing how WSYL is a made-up-from-thin-air event but because championship is on ESPN2 EVERYONE wants to play in it. I'm not criticizing, because I feel the same way, but what does that say about us?


It may signify that there is a real desire to have a regulator in the mix. The holdback issue is out of hand and if this "made for TV" event is the catalyst to bring regulation to the sport, so be it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amazing how WSYL is a made-up-from-thin-air event but because championship is on ESPN2 EVERYONE wants to play in it. I'm not criticizing, because I feel the same way, but what does that say about us?


It may signify that there is a real desire to have a regulator in the mix. The holdback issue is out of hand and if this "made for TV" event is the catalyst to bring regulation to the sport, so be it.


Interesting thought.

Yes, there is definite desire for a regulator, but a 5/1 birth date is still too old. USL has done nothing about it for years, all talk.

WSYL saw an opportunity, had the connections to the tv network thru MLL, took over and and pushed the date back four months earlier than USL!

Smoke and mirrors with the glam of tv, and the ad dollars that come with it. Don't be fooled.

It's a business. Think of all the connections MLL has via some of it's players coaching or owning club teams nationwide. You really think the age issue will be fixed when many who are now running the industry, beat the system back in the day and openly promote doing the same?

Is it grow the game or honor the game? The unfortunate answer is - whichever makes more money!
I think 5/1 is too early as well. [lacrosse]'s had already moved to 6/1 after last year, which I think is also too early. (I do think that [lacrosse]'s prior 8/1 date was fairly reflective of when many boys start kindegardten).

I don't think playing against a 2021 loaded (4-8 kids) with summer birthdays is the end of the world, but there is no question that it's a competitive advantage to have a team that is, on average, a few months older. Look at Hogan's brackets and you can see how many teams - from everywhere, not just Maryland - don't have 2020, 2021 or 2022 teams that meet the 9/1 cutoff.
More importantly, what teams are. Going to qualifiers?

My guess is 91, Express, Igloo & Icon. Any others from LI
Comments like this are so stupid get over it -everyone does what works for them if it doesn't work for you so be it. Why do you care about someone else's summer?
Didn't your momma teach you everyone's different and that's why makes the world go around.
Halloween Havoc looks to a have a weak line up. Very disappointing. LIE Channey plus DELETED
Will roll easily. Only competition is a fair Outlaws team.
More importantly, what teams are. Going to qualifiers?

My guess is 91, Express, Igloo & Icon. Any others from LI


Agree with these 4. In addition I could see Eclipse, Laxachusetts, and possibly Prime Time. Not sure if there are any other teams from the North that could compete other than these:

Igloo
91
Express
Icon
Eclipse
Laxachusetts
Prime Time
Any other possibilities?



91 Ambush FOGO will challenge DELETED any day of the week... should be a game to look forward to.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Halloween Havoc looks to a have a weak line up. Very disappointing. LIE Channey plus DELETD player
Will roll easily. Only competition is a fair Outlaws team.
DELEED isnt that good
With all the changes Ambush is the team to beat here.

Ambush may be a better team then orange if not equal but time will tell .


Originally Posted by Anonymous
With all the changes Ambush is the team to beat here.
91 Orange Is now the B team. You will all be surprised tomorrow.
You are delusional - stop trying to start crap.
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.



You play Sunday...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


Yes, because judging teams on how they look in practice is always spot on .
Primetime is not going. the director DAniello only worries about HS teams. That's why numerous youth players left the program. He should have a director for HS teams and Youth teams. Unfortunately he is very absent for youth. A shame as he has many good players.
Makes me think Orange isn't that good
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Makes me think Orange isn't that good



Really?

Ambush is not loaded with kissass parents like Orange who PAL around with the coach to get locked in.

quote=Anonymous]Makes me think Orange isn't that good [/quote]

I heard ambush is good this year. They added a buch of kids. Have not heard about orange. I hope orange plays igloo this year so we can see if they are really good or just talk. Orange missed playing igloo last year because at one tournament orange got eliminated early. They may be all talk. Ambush will be in top six this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush is not loaded with kissass parents like Orange who PAL around with the coach to get locked in.

quote=Anonymous]Makes me think Orange isn't that good
[/quote]
Hearing coach of Ambush is gunning for Denver .
Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard ambush is good this year. They added a buch of kids. Have not heard about orange. I hope orange plays igloo this year so we can see if they are really good or just talk. Orange missed playing igloo last year because at one tournament orange got eliminated early. They may be all talk. Ambush will be in top six this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush is not loaded with kissass parents like Orange who PAL around with the coach to get locked in.

quote=Anonymous]Makes me think Orange isn't that good
[/quote]

How good is igloo tho? Played w many illegal players How TA was let off the hook for that boggles the mind
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard ambush is good this year. They added a buch of kids. Have not heard about orange. I hope orange plays igloo this year so we can see if they are really good or just talk. Orange missed playing igloo last year because at one tournament orange got eliminated early. They may be all talk. Ambush will be in top six this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush is not loaded with kissass parents like Orange who PAL around with the coach to get locked in.

quote=Anonymous]Makes me think Orange isn't that good


How good is igloo tho? Played w many illegal players How TA was let off the hook for that boggles the mind[/quote] Honestly, how many 2020's did he have? I know for a fact 1, i'm assuming there are more.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush is not loaded with kissass parents like Orange who PAL around with the coach to get locked in.

quote=Anonymous]Makes me think Orange isn't that good
[/quote]


WOW, you really have no idea what you are talking about. While I'm sure Ambush is a good team, they are not on the same level as Orange.
Wow the oldie but goodie B team is better then the A team. Be careful what u wish for. Did you get cut this year?

I can tell you first hand Ambush has a better team. When you see Channy get eaten alive tomorrow by them you will change your Tude. . Word has it channy wants Ambush Fogo back on express


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush is not loaded with kissass parents like Orange who PAL around with the coach to get locked in.

quote=Anonymous]Makes me think Orange isn't that good



WOW, you really have no idea what you are talking about. While I'm sure Ambush is a good team, they are not on the same level as Orange. [/quote]
You heard it hear first Ambush will be Ambushed tomorrow.
Sad. You all sound pathetic fighting over your kid's teams. You guys aren't even as mature as the 7th graders you are arguing over.
Let them play .then you can post something valid
So Ambush went up in flames today against express channy..... like I said . Bye Bye Berry
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Ambush went up in flames today against express channy..... like I said . Bye Bye Berry


Wow so you ran right to the computer to post that.

Should be bye bye old pathetic coach that 91 still holds onto .
They may have brought talent in but maybe the problem lies on that guy that seems to be protected all the time by JM and doesn't know how to handle talent on the field .



uote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Ambush went up in flames today against express channy..... like I said . Bye Bye Berry


Wow so you ran right to the computer to post that. [/quote]
You can't tell anything from fall lacrosse. I know kids were missing from all four teams that played A bracket today. Coaches are learning how good or bad new kids are. Few practices etc. All four teams played well today. A lot of talent. It was a fun day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Ambush went up in flames today against express channy..... like I said . Bye Bye Berry


Wow so you ran right to the computer to post that.
Wow. Someone has anger problems.
Express has not changed even with the addition of 5 -10 coaches on sideline. They still lose to Igloo, 91 Orange, icon, etc. They still beat the same mediocre teams. It's so predictable. 30 guys on roster. Same kids play. Same parents complain. The act is boring at this point.
Express has not changed even with the addition of 5 -10 coaches on sideline. They still lose to Igloo, 91 Orange, icon, etc. They still beat the same mediocre teams. It's so predictable.

Express 2021 has never lost to Icon. The only thing that is predictable is your ongoing weak effort to knock a great program and a very strong 2021 team. Very boring.
They use to be great, now they are average at best.
So can the idiot who spouted off about Ambush now shut up? The attack couldn't catch and throw and they forced the ball to the middle all the time. The defense and goalie are the only reason why they were in the first two games.
Not an Express parent but they are better than average. They have 3 or 4 great players that are top players. The rest of the team are good but not great. That is all you need to be a top team which they are. Have they lost to any other Long Island team other than igloo and Oranage? Can't call them average until more Long Island teams beat them.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
They use to be great, now they are average at best.
Its nice express has players that play for 2 different clubs when its convenient. Berry is a great coach and happy to not see him put up with the express politics.8th grader on express was priceless.
Please, express played a better game and won. Stop acting like a sore looser
And try teaching your kid to work hard and give a 100%. The better playing team won today there is no need to make lies up to make the dads feel better.
It's fall ball - that is the new team, the helmets haven't even been ordered yet so of course you will seed different here to on the field.
A pickup team tied with Ambush 1-1 what's up with that ?? Parents pay good money to get the best possible coaching , yes early fall tournaments mean nothing , but at times it a clear indication of what's in store for next summer.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
So can the idiot who spouted off about Ambush now shut up? The attack couldn't catch and throw and they forced the ball to the middle all the time. The defense and goalie are the only reason why they were in the first two games.
Ambush beat the supposed AA Team of Outlaws.
It was 5-4 at one point with Express and Strong island
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express has not changed even with the addition of 5 -10 coaches on sideline. They still lose to Igloo, 91 Orange, icon, etc. They still beat the same mediocre teams. It's so predictable. 30 guys on roster. Same kids play. Same parents complain. The act is boring at this point.

And don't forget they still have the waterboy!
Scores were all over the place in the A division yesterday as one would expect for fall lacrosse where teams are missing players and figuring out how to fit in new players. The Saints tied 91 1-1 then lost to the Outlaws 12-2. The saints and Outlaws played Express close for half a game then express pulled away. 91was never in the game against Express and lost by 10. All this means nothing. Anyone who tries to draw conclusions from these games of how good a team will be in the summer never played a sport before. In the spring /summer these teams will look different when all players show up for games and new players fit in. Express won and they were the best team yesterday. End of story. Move on.
What makes you say they had an older kid? They all seemed to be the proper age. Unless you know the kid don't listen to what you hear. Even if they did have an older kid the three kids that were winning for them were 7th graders from what I saw. That team has three superstars after that it does not matter who else is playng with them so long as they can catch and throw. Put those kids on any of the other three teams yesterday and the team they play for would not only win yesterday but would be a top four team. Those kids are that good and proper age.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its nice express has players that play for 2 different clubs when its convenient. Berry is a great coach and happy to not see him put up with the express politics.8th grader on express was priceless.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Scores were all over the place in the A division yesterday as one would expect for fall lacrosse where teams are missing players and figuring out how to fit in new players. The Saints tied 91 1-1 then lost to the Outlaws 12-2. The saints and Outlaws played Express close for half a game then express pulled away. 91was never in the game against Express and lost by 10. All this means nothing. Anyone who tries to draw conclusions from these games of how good a team will be in the summer never played a sport before. In the spring /summer these teams will look different when all players show up for games and new players fit in. Express won and they were the best team yesterday. End of story. Move on.


Yeah the express team showed up - all 30 of them!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Scores were all over the place in the A division yesterday as one would expect for fall lacrosse where teams are missing players and figuring out how to fit in new players. The Saints tied 91 1-1 then lost to the Outlaws 12-2. The saints and Outlaws played Express close for half a game then express pulled away. 91was never in the game against Express and lost by 10. All this means nothing. Anyone who tries to draw conclusions from these games of how good a team will be in the summer never played a sport before. In the spring /summer these teams will look different when all players show up for games and new players fit in. Express won and they were the best team yesterday. End of story. Move on.


This kind of rational thought is dangerous. Be careful
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Scores were all over the place in the A division yesterday as one would expect for fall lacrosse where teams are missing players and figuring out how to fit in new players. The Saints tied 91 1-1 then lost to the Outlaws 12-2. The saints and Outlaws played Express close for half a game then express pulled away. 91was never in the game against Express and lost by 10. All this means nothing. Anyone who tries to draw conclusions from these games of how good a team will be in the summer never played a sport before. In the spring /summer these teams will look different when all players show up for games and new players fit in. Express won and they were the best team yesterday. End of story. Move on.
Then what do you say to all the people who making predictions a month ago before even these games where played. If the fall games tell you nothing then the first practice must tell you even less
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Scores were all over the place in the A division yesterday as one would expect for fall lacrosse where teams are missing players and figuring out how to fit in new players. The Saints tied 91 1-1 then lost to the Outlaws 12-2. The saints and Outlaws played Express close for half a game then express pulled away. 91was never in the game against Express and lost by 10. All this means nothing. Anyone who tries to draw conclusions from these games of how good a team will be in the summer never played a sport before. In the spring /summer these teams will look different when all players show up for games and new players fit in. Express won and they were the best team yesterday. End of story. Move on.
Then what do you say to all the people who making predictions a month ago before even these games where played. If the fall games tell you nothing then the first practice must tell you even less


This is a mom who happened upon this thread trying to find the schedule for Blatant Fall Jam. The comments above make sense - What is wrong with the rest of you guys? Let your kids play. Let the coaches coach. They are 12. You sound like middle school girls. You might want to invest in a good therapist to work out your passive aggressive "stuff" - rather than posting this anonymous, infantile drivel. Oh, and here's another tip - when your kid is playing - SHUT UP. Let them play the game. They want to succeed, and the coaches will correct their mistakes. Your job as a parent is to be their support, lift them up, pat them on the back, tell them you love watching them play and let then let them go back to being KIDS.
Yes. First practice means nothing too. I doubt any team had 100 percent attendance at any practice yet. Teams that have athletes will have kid playing other sports on a Sunday and other days. If express was mising two of the top three players they have and they lost a game yesterday I would say that means nothing. New kids have to learn plays and find a spot. Unfortunately a new kid may get burned playing with the starters and when the coach figures it out he moves the kid down and plays less. Takes a few goals against before that happens. That kids won't be burned for a few goals in the summer because the coached learned in the fall the kid should not play in tight games. fall lacrosse means nothing as to how a team will play in the summer.



uote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Scores were all over the place in the A division yesterday as one would expect for fall lacrosse where teams are missing players and figuring out how to fit in new players. The Saints tied 91 1-1 then lost to the Outlaws 12-2. The saints and Outlaws played Express close for half a game then express pulled away. 91was never in the game against Express and lost by 10. All this means nothing. Anyone who tries to draw conclusions from these games of how good a team will be in the summer never played a sport before. In the spring /summer these teams will look different when all players show up for games and new players fit in. Express won and they were the best team yesterday. End of story. Move on.
Then what do you say to all the people who making predictions a month ago before even these games where played. If the fall games tell you nothing then the first practice must tell you even less [/quote]

This is a mom who happened upon this thread trying to find the schedule for Blatant Fall Jam. The comments above make sense - What is wrong with the rest of you guys? Let your kids play. Let the coaches coach. They are 12. You sound like middle school girls. You might want to invest in a good therapist to work out your passive aggressive "stuff" - rather than posting this anonymous, infantile drivel. Oh, and here's another tip - when your kid is playing - SHUT UP. Let them play the game. They want to succeed, and the coaches will correct their mistakes. Your job as a parent is to be their support, lift them up, pat them on the back, tell them you love watching them play and let then let them go back to being KIDS. [/quote]

Amen to that. You can see this guys berating their kids in the car for dropping a pass or missing a shot. Stop equating success on a playing field with future success in life. I am fairly certain that most of your doctors and wall street finance guys never played college sports.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a mom who happened upon this thread trying to find the schedule for Blatant Fall Jam. The comments above make sense - What is wrong with the rest of you guys? Let your kids play. Let the coaches coach. They are 12. You sound like middle school girls. You might want to invest in a good therapist to work out your passive aggressive "stuff" - rather than posting this anonymous, infantile drivel. Oh, and here's another tip - when your kid is playing - SHUT UP. Let them play the game. They want to succeed, and the coaches will correct their mistakes. Your job as a parent is to be their support, lift them up, pat them on the back, tell them you love watching them play and let then let them go back to being KIDS.



Amen to that. You can see this guys berating their kids in the car for dropping a pass or missing a shot. Stop equating success on a playing field with future success in life. I am fairly certain that most of your doctors and wall street finance guys never played college sports. [/quote]
Don't kid yourself, some Wall Street companies have their own teams that play. Some of the kids graduating from D-1 colleges go right into Wall Street companies based on where they played college.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a mom who happened upon this thread trying to find the schedule for Blatant Fall Jam. The comments above make sense - What is wrong with the rest of you guys? Let your kids play. Let the coaches coach. They are 12. You sound like middle school girls. You might want to invest in a good therapist to work out your passive aggressive "stuff" - rather than posting this anonymous, infantile drivel. Oh, and here's another tip - when your kid is playing - SHUT UP. Let them play the game. They want to succeed, and the coaches will correct their mistakes. Your job as a parent is to be their support, lift them up, pat them on the back, tell them you love watching them play and let then let them go back to being KIDS.



Amen to that. You can see this guys berating their kids in the car for dropping a pass or missing a shot. Stop equating success on a playing field with future success in life. I am fairly certain that most of your doctors and wall street finance guys never played college sports.

Don't kid yourself, some Wall Street companies have their own teams that play. Some of the kids graduating from D-1 colleges go right into Wall Street companies based on where they played college. [/quote]
Ever hear of Sector SPDR, that are at the Lake Placid tournament every year.
Who ever posted they still have the waterboy you sound like a teenage girl.
If you have something to say to the guy go up
To him and say it. My son was on the wolves a while back and loved that guy.
He was always there for the kids to bring them up ..yeah and to make sure they didn't pass out on those 110 degree summer tournaments.
Years later my kid still runs up to say hi to him when we see him.
Have anyone running up to you? Doubt it.
You sound like a bitter person to even bring up someone who tries to look out for the kids. Your obviously a parent who is jealous your kid didn't make the team
to shoot so low and even mention that guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a mom who happened upon this thread trying to find the schedule for Blatant Fall Jam. The comments above make sense - What is wrong with the rest of you guys? Let your kids play. Let the coaches coach. They are 12. You sound like middle school girls. You might want to invest in a good therapist to work out your passive aggressive "stuff" - rather than posting this anonymous, infantile drivel. Oh, and here's another tip - when your kid is playing - SHUT UP. Let them play the game. They want to succeed, and the coaches will correct their mistakes. Your job as a parent is to be their support, lift them up, pat them on the back, tell them you love watching them play and let then let them go back to being KIDS.



Amen to that. You can see this guys berating their kids in the car for dropping a pass or missing a shot. Stop equating success on a playing field with future success in life. I am fairly certain that most of your doctors and wall street finance guys never played college sports.

Don't kid yourself, some Wall Street companies have their own teams that play. Some of the kids graduating from D-1 colleges go right into Wall Street companies based on where they played college.

Ever hear of Sector SPDR, that are at the Lake Placid tournament every year. [/quote]

No doubt there are plenty of former D1 athletes working on wall street but as a percentage of D1 athletes it's tiny. Extrapolate that back to the number of kids playing lax and the odds are infinitesimal. If it happens for your kid, great but to be obsessively focused on this as a parent is like standing in field and asking to be struck by lightning.
There are not a lot of D1 athletes that would explain why numbers are low. Percentage wise I would bet D1 athletes have a higher percentage in those jobs. I know all else being equal I would hire the person who played High level sports over person who did not. It shows a lot about the person who can take that kind of schedule and commitment and still succeed. Since 1953 I think only 3 US presidents were NOT college athletes.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a mom who happened upon this thread trying to find the schedule for Blatant Fall Jam. The comments above make sense - What is wrong with the rest of you guys? Let your kids play. Let the coaches coach. They are 12. You sound like middle school girls. You might want to invest in a good therapist to work out your passive aggressive "stuff" - rather than posting this anonymous, infantile drivel. Oh, and here's another tip - when your kid is playing - SHUT UP. Let them play the game. They want to succeed, and the coaches will correct their mistakes. Your job as a parent is to be their support, lift them up, pat them on the back, tell them you love watching them play and let then let them go back to being KIDS.



Amen to that. You can see this guys berating their kids in the car for dropping a pass or missing a shot. Stop equating success on a playing field with future success in life. I am fairly certain that most of your doctors and wall street finance guys never played college sports.

Don't kid yourself, some Wall Street companies have their own teams that play. Some of the kids graduating from D-1 colleges go right into Wall Street companies based on where they played college.

Ever hear of Sector SPDR, that are at the Lake Placid tournament every year.


No doubt there are plenty of former D1 athletes working on wall street but as a percentage of D1 athletes it's tiny. Extrapolate that back to the number of kids playing lax and the odds are infinitesimal. If it happens for your kid, great but to be obsessively focused on this as a parent is like standing in field and asking to be struck by lightning. [/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are not a lot of D1 athletes that would explain why numbers are low. Percentage wise I would bet D1 athletes have a higher percentage in those jobs. I know all else being equal I would hire the person who played High level sports over person who did not. It shows a lot about the person who can take that kind of schedule and commitment and still succeed. Since 1953 I think only 3 US presidents were NOT college athletes.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a mom who happened upon this thread trying to find the schedule for Blatant Fall Jam. The comments above make sense - What is wrong with the rest of you guys? Let your kids play. Let the coaches coach. They are 12. You sound like middle school girls. You might want to invest in a good therapist to work out your passive aggressive "stuff" - rather than posting this anonymous, infantile drivel. Oh, and here's another tip - when your kid is playing - SHUT UP. Let them play the game. They want to succeed, and the coaches will correct their mistakes. Your job as a parent is to be their support, lift them up, pat them on the back, tell them you love watching them play and let then let them go back to being KIDS.



Amen to that. You can see this guys berating their kids in the car for dropping a pass or missing a shot. Stop equating success on a playing field with future success in life. I am fairly certain that most of your doctors and wall street finance guys never played college sports.

Don't kid yourself, some Wall Street companies have their own teams that play. Some of the kids graduating from D-1 colleges go right into Wall Street companies based on where they played college.

Ever hear of Sector SPDR, that are at the Lake Placid tournament every year.


No doubt there are plenty of former D1 athletes working on wall street but as a percentage of D1 athletes it's tiny. Extrapolate that back to the number of kids playing lax and the odds are infinitesimal. If it happens for your kid, great but to be obsessively focused on this as a parent is like standing in field and asking to be struck by lightning.
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Boom - served!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who ever posted they still have the waterboy you sound like a teenage girl.
If you have something to say to the guy go up
To him and say it. My son was on the wolves a while back and loved that guy.
He was always there for the kids to bring them up ..yeah and to make sure they didn't pass out on those 110 degree summer tournaments.
Years later my kid still runs up to say hi to him when we see him.
Have anyone running up to you? Doubt it.
You sound like a bitter person to even bring up someone who tries to look out for the kids. Your obviously a parent who is jealous your kid didn't make the team
to shoot so low and even mention that guy.



+1 Agreed! Good post. No longer with the team, but he was great while my son was there!
hey - can anyone help me out - have a 7th grader - just picking up a stick - looking for a fall winter clinic that might be helpful for a beginner with stick skills etc-any suggestions? east Suffolk county thanks!
It may be hard to find beginner clinics for 7th grade. You may want to look at private lessons for fall and winter and practice himself all spring. Middle school will practice every day too in spring and play games. Then be ready for summer clinics and find a team looking for kids. Take advantage of the good weather we still have and throw against the wall. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
hey - can anyone help me out - have a 7th grader - just picking up a stick - looking for a fall winter clinic that might be helpful for a beginner with stick skills etc-any suggestions? east Suffolk county thanks!
Hey 91 Orange 2021
Is it true your team is playing Eclipse U13 this Saturday Oct. 24th?
91 Ambush looked like a B minus team being destroyed and never in any of the four games yesterday against Express North, Express Channy, Outlaws and Igloo Avalanche. Disappointing given all the talk on how good they will be this year.
who won it all?
Express chan
quote=Anonymous]who won it all? [/quote]
Express Channy
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It may be hard to find beginner clinics for 7th grade. You may want to look at private lessons for fall and winter and practice himself all spring. Middle school will practice every day too in spring and play games. Then be ready for summer clinics and find a team looking for kids. Take advantage of the good weather we still have and throw against the wall. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
hey - can anyone help me out - have a 7th grader - just picking up a stick - looking for a fall winter clinic that might be helpful for a beginner with stick skills etc-any suggestions? east Suffolk county thanks!

Poster is right. Private lessons and then wall ball everyday. Stick skills are essential to get going. Many different wall ball routines on-line. Make sure you get someone who's qualified to teach him the basics first, so he doesn't practice bad habits, or bad techniques. Best.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 Ambush looked like a B minus team being destroyed and never in any of the four games yesterday against Express North, Express Channy, Outlaws and Igloo Avalanche. Disappointing given all the talk on how good they will be this year.


That somebody thought they where better then their A team was really really silly.
91 was awful yesterday. They played very good teams but they should have played B. They have to keep the parents happy and believe they are an A team until the last deposit is paid. Last year they were a B team and have failed to show they are an A team this year. They will be a B team again this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 Ambush looked like a B minus team being destroyed and never in any of the four games yesterday against Express North, Express Channy, Outlaws and Igloo Avalanche. Disappointing given all the talk on how good they will be this year.


That somebody thought they where better then their A team was really really silly.
I would like to see how that Outlaws Black team would have done in the A bracket. They would not have won but I think they would have held their own.
The new Outlaws Black team is just as good as outlaws select , they had their full roster yesterday and dominated , they would have dominated in last week's tournament at havoc if they had all their players.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would like to see how that Outlaws Black team would have done in the A bracket. They would not have won but I think they would have held their own.
Its fall ball, everybody misses players here and there. But if the new black is as good as select they should enter the A brackets and play along side select. No need to crow, just step up
Most people have no clue how hard that A bracket is until they play in it. Many teams have tried and failed. There are only about six A or AA teams on Long Island now that legacy and team long island are out loosing too many players.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its fall ball, everybody misses players here and there. But if the new black is as good as select they should enter the A brackets and play along side select. No need to crow, just step up
Can you post the teams you think are top 6 on Long Island.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can you post the teams you think are top 6 on Long Island.


only 4 true A teams

igloo black ice
91 Heat
Icon
Express Channey

Outlaws Select
igloo avalance
fl$
outlaws black
Legacy Greyhounds
Wow that is a major drop off after this first four teams.
What about Team Long Island? We played them 2 years ago and they were a very solid team.
AA -- No order Black Ice, 91 Orange, Express Channy and Icon

A -- Outlaws Select and Maybe Avalanche. Can't call Avalanche A yet but they should be after they play and practice together.

A -- last year but lost many players Legacy Greyhounds and Team Long Island. Doubtful if A anymore.

Could be A this year fl$. They always turn into an A team in 7th grade but it is not known who they added.


Both legacy teams got beat by a lot at Legacy invitational. It is fall Lax and it should not matter but the best players did leave so can't call them A until they show something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can you post the teams you think are top 6 on Long Island.


only 4 true A teams

igloo black ice
91 Heat
Icon
Express Channey

Outlaws Select
igloo avalance
fl$
outlaws black
Legacy Greyhounds
Express will suck with our Icon kids, and water boy coaching and playing is kids friends
Last years TLI team is gone. There is not one player from last year on that team. When did Legacy change from Blue Knights to Greyhounds?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last years TLI team is gone. There is not one player from last year on that team. When did Legacy change from Blue Knights to Greyhounds?


Apparently they had such high turnover they changed the name.
Are the icon kids on Express for the entire year? Will they play for icon? I doubt they are guest players because Express had a lot of kids on that Channy team. Most don't play or play very little. If they are guest players taking playing time from kids on the team that is a bad situation. Express is Still a very good team. But is it worth sitting on the bench to tell your friends you play for Express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express will suck with our Icon kids, and water boy coaching and playing is kids friends
[quote=Anonymous]Are the icon kids on Express for the entire year? Will they play for icon? I doubt they are guest players because Express had a lot of kids on that Channy team. Most don't play or play very little. If they are guest players taking playing time from kids on the team that is a bad situation. Express is Still a very good team. But is it worth sitting on the bench to tell your friends you play for Express

We all know the answer and it doesn't matter to the kids as long as they are playing.
I think it matters to the parents to say their kid plays for express.
There is also at least one Express player that will be playing with Icon as well.

Icon does not have fall ball and only starts up in the spring.

I wonder how all this will work out if either team is able to qualify for WSYL. Is it against the rules playing for two teams?
Same crap we heard about Ambush, who beat the [lacrosse] out of Outlaws Silver last year. I give Ambush credit for moving up to A instead of settling for dominating B. The only way they will get better is by playing better talent. They are a brand new team from what I hear, so it will take time for them to gel.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Are the icon kids on Express for the entire year? Will they play for icon? I doubt they are guest players because Express had a lot of kids on that Channy team. Most don't play or play very little. If they are guest players taking playing time from kids on the team that is a bad situation. Express is Still a very good team. But is it worth sitting on the bench to tell your friends you play for Express

We all know the answer and it doesn't matter to the kids as long as they are playing.
I think it matters to the parents to say their kid plays for express.


Is that man-child Express middie an Icon player? One of the Dad's joked he drove the team bus to the field. Pretty funny.
[quote=Anonymous]There is also at least one Express player that will be playing with Icon as well.

Icon does not have fall ball and only starts up in the spring.

I wonder how all this will work out if either team is able to qualify for WSYL. Is it against the rules playing for two teams?

ICON does have fall ball practice once a week and we will play in a tournament in a couple of weeks

Who cares let the kid play as much and wherever he wants its really none of our business
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What about Team Long Island? We played them 2 years ago and they were a very solid team.


Very true, they were a solid team. Split talent now. The people who hate MG left and went with Empire or elsewhere. And also, they are the only LI team to use U-13, and U-11. So they have half theirs kids playing down.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last years TLI team is gone. There is not one player from last year on that team. When did Legacy change from Blue Knights to Greyhounds?


Apparently they had such high turnover they changed the name.


The way Legacy keeps on going with losing talent, next years team will be the Chihuahua's.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Are the icon kids on Express for the entire year? Will they play for icon? I doubt they are guest players because Express had a lot of kids on that Channy team. Most don't play or play very little. If they are guest players taking playing time from kids on the team that is a bad situation. Express is Still a very good team. But is it worth sitting on the bench to tell your friends you play for Express

We all know the answer and it doesn't matter to the kids as long as they are playing.
I think it matters to the parents to say their kid plays for express.


Is that man-child Express middie an Icon player? One of the Dad's joked he drove the team bus to the field. Pretty funny.


he is an icon player.... And I have no beef with a kid playing on 2 teams.
curious...what man child?? i haven't seen one and we've been on team for years.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Are the icon kids on Express for the entire year? Will they play for icon? I doubt they are guest players because Express had a lot of kids on that Channy team. Most don't play or play very little. If they are guest players taking playing time from kids on the team that is a bad situation. Express is Still a very good team. But is it worth sitting on the bench to tell your friends you play for Express

We all know the answer and it doesn't matter to the kids as long as they are playing.
I think it matters to the parents to say their kid plays for express.




Is that man-child Express middie an Icon player? One of the Dad's joked he drove the team bus to the field. Pretty funny.


he is an icon player.... And I have no beef with a kid playing on 2 teams.


Another example of how at this level one kid can dominate and change the game. Express had plenty of talent but the man child is a game changer.
The man-child reference seems to imply a big, strong player that has hit puperty early and can physically dominate players. It's not just that, to dominate you still need some good skill, but the differentiating factor is hitting puberty early. While it can make some players seems like absolute stars in those middle school years, I don't think it serves their development well. Because they start to rely on being able to physically overpower players, bodying them, etc and don't need to focus as much on refining dodging technique, speed development. Then several years later in HS everybody catches up with their growth spurts and playing that game to physically overwhelm doesn't work. Then the players that didn't have the middle school size advantage but have great skills/speed start to outshine. So there is the potential that being big early can hinder players' development ... to their detriment down the road.
Doesn't look like they suck so far.
Our icon kids? I guess your jealous some kids from your icon team moved on and your kid didn't make it.
Channy is coaching this team the waterboy has nothing to do with who is on the field. My kid is new to the team and from what I saw at the last couple of tournaments is this waterboy helping the kids out and being positive. My son told me that he's a nice guy and feels like he looks out for the team. Chaney has the reputation of playing the kids who are going to bring home the win, he doesn't care who your friends with. This kind of team doesn't work for every kid or family.
There's no need to speak negative about a team you clearly have no clue about.
People like you have a big mouth when you can post anonymously. If you have a problem with the guy either confront him or move on. You remain anonymous but everyone knows who your talking about,That doesn't seem to fair.
The Key word for you is new, so I will cut u a break. FYI Channy
Will be at 60% of the games next summer, and you
Are losing less, that when the nice guy plays all is
Kid friends, been like that for 3 years, nothing will change .
Your kid will get bumped for a non paying guess player,
Please write back to me end of July, let's see if you feel
The same way.
To add a bit of common sense with such a large roster , why is it the 2nd express team has been ignored the past two years , when two strong teams can be made? The 2nd team was ultra strong years ago , now its left out to dry ! kids standing on the sidelines of channy's team in hope of getting 2-3 minutes of play during a game does absolutely nothing but mentally break down a kid , its fall and as it get closer to spring and summer these kids wont see playtime at all. . Why cant Channy split the team up and do these kids a favor , still having competitive teams and not short changing development which is running out of time at this point closing the gap into HS.
Parents insist on accepting this type of treatment for bragging rights and not whats good for their kid. If you look at the larger picture this is not only true for express but 91 Orange as well .

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Key word for you is new, so I will cut u a break. FYI Channy
Will be at 60% of the games next summer, and you
Are losing less, that when the nice guy plays all is
Kid friends, been like that for 3 years, nothing will change .
Your kid will get bumped for a non paying guess player,
Please write back to me end of July, let's see if you feel
The same way.
Shaping up to be a nice weekend down in MD this for 2021's
Duke's
Leading Edge
Igloo
Express
Cooper's
Sweetlax
91 MD
Madlax
Good Luck to all safe travel's
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The man-child reference seems to imply a big, strong player that has hit puperty early and can physically dominate players. It's not just that, to dominate you still need some good skill, but the differentiating factor is hitting puberty early. While it can make some players seems like absolute stars in those middle school years, I don't think it serves their development well. Because they start to rely on being able to physically overpower players, bodying them, etc and don't need to focus as much on refining dodging technique, speed development. Then several years later in HS everybody catches up with their growth spurts and playing that game to physically overwhelm doesn't work. Then the players that didn't have the middle school size advantage but have great skills/speed start to outshine. So there is the potential that being big early can hinder players' development ... to their detriment down the road.


He was indeed a very skilled player, big, but not huge but definitely more athletically developed. Anyone who played youth sports through HS is well aware of the stories of the dominant bigger players in 8th grade fading as the rest of the kids worked through puberty. It's a tough period of years to be a youth athlete. No doubt that those dominant kids in 8th grade could continue to be standouts but what often happens is that once their size can't help them they are not willing to devote the time and effort to become better lacrosse players.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doesn't look like they suck so far.
Our icon kids? I guess your jealous some kids from your icon team moved on and your kid didn't make it.
Channy is coaching this team the waterboy has nothing to do with who is on the field. My kid is new to the team and from what I saw at the last couple of tournaments is this waterboy helping the kids out and being positive. My son told me that he's a nice guy and feels like he looks out for the team. Chaney has the reputation of playing the kids who are going to bring home the win, he doesn't care who your friends with. This kind of team doesn't work for every kid or family.

There's no need to speak negative about a team you clearly have no clue about.
People like you have a big mouth when you can post anonymously. If you have a problem with the guy either confront him or move on. You remain anonymous but everyone knows who your talking about,That doesn't seem to fair.

Not familiar with the waterboy but Im on my fourth kid in travel lacrosse and have seen it evolve to the point where a parent will do just about anything to get and keep his kid on the field. By now, I have, or think I have, seen it all. If anybody thinks the waterboy isn't acting out of some degree of self interest you are kidding yourself. Instead of knocking anonymous posters on an anonymous message board maybe the waterboy should get a little self respect.
Channy wouldn't care who you are if the kid isn't playing up to level he wouldn't play them.
He would bench his own kid -
So your saying everyone who volunteers always has a hidden agenda?
And if you volunteer you have no self respect ?
It's one thing to be a seasoned lacrosse dad but it's another to loose faith in humanity.
The negativity is like poison - you don't even know the person but assume off the bat its for the wrong reason. Maybe you been around too long it's time to retire.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So your saying everyone who volunteers always has a hidden agenda?
And if you volunteer you have no self respect ?
It's one thing to be a seasoned lacrosse dad but it's another to loose faith in humanity.
The negativity is like poison - you don't even know the person but assume off the bat its for the wrong reason. Maybe you been around too long it's time to retire.

Faith in humanity. You're joking right? Hilarious!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doesn't look like they suck so far.
Our icon kids? I guess your jealous some kids from your icon team moved on and your kid didn't make it.
Channy is coaching this team the waterboy has nothing to do with who is on the field. My kid is new to the team and from what I saw at the last couple of tournaments is this waterboy helping the kids out and being positive. My son told me that he's a nice guy and feels like he looks out for the team. Chaney has the reputation of playing the kids who are going to bring home the win, he doesn't care who your friends with. This kind of team doesn't work for every kid or family.

There's no need to speak negative about a team you clearly have no clue about.
People like you have a big mouth when you can post anonymously. If you have a problem with the guy either confront him or move on. You remain anonymous but everyone knows who your talking about,That doesn't seem to fair.

Not familiar with the waterboy but Im on my fourth kid in travel lacrosse and have seen it evolve to the point where a parent will do just about anything to get and keep his kid on the field. By now, I have, or think I have, seen it all. If anybody thinks the waterboy isn't acting out of some degree of self interest you are kidding yourself. Instead of knocking anonymous posters on an anonymous message board maybe the waterboy should get a little self respect.


Waterboy? You guys aren't referring to TC, are you?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To add a bit of common sense with such a large roster , why is it the 2nd express team has been ignored the past two years , when two strong teams can be made? The 2nd team was ultra strong years ago , now its left out to dry ! kids standing on the sidelines of channy's team in hope of getting 2-3 minutes of play during a game does absolutely nothing but mentally break down a kid , its fall and as it get closer to spring and summer these kids wont see playtime at all. . Why cant Channy split the team up and do these kids a favor , still having competitive teams and not short changing development which is running out of time at this point closing the gap into HS.
Parents insist on accepting this type of treatment for bragging rights and not whats good for their kid. If you look at the larger picture this is not only true for express but 91 Orange as well .

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Key word for you is new, so I will cut u a break. FYI Channy
Will be at 60% of the games next summer, and you
Are losing less, that when the nice guy plays all is
Kid friends, been like that for 3 years, nothing will change .
Your kid will get bumped for a non paying guess player,
Please write back to me end of July, let's see if you feel
The same way.


Express Team two is a complete waste of money. There is no interest of them developing it. You can't even get consistent coaching.
Hello u got it, big fake
Shaping up to be a nice weekend this for 2021's
Duke's
Leading Edge
Igloo
Express
Cooper's
Sweetlax
91 MD
Madlax
Good Luck to all safe travel's


They have teams split into 2 brackets.

Igloo, Express, Dukes, and Coopers
91 Orange, Madlax, Leading Edge, and Sweetlax

Top 2 from each make semis on Sunday. Will be interesting to see the top 4.

Dukes will not win a game. O fer
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dukes will not win a game. O fer


Igloo
Expess
Leading Edge
Koopers

Is my guess
Easy 91 wins that bracket ,soft comp.
Igloo and express should come out of that harder bracket
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Easy 91 wins that bracket ,soft comp.
Igloo and express should come out of that harder bracket



It is 91 Maryland, not 91 Orange.
Why do you say that ? Are they that bad ? Have you seen them play ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you say that ? Are they that bad ? Have you seen them play ?



Have not seen 91 MD play. They may be a good team. Just stating the 91 Orange and 91 MD are not the same team. A previous post stated that 91 Orange will be at this tournament. Orange is playing at Trilogy. Good luck to all teams at Battle on the Bay.
Was referring to the comment regardring the Dukes would not win a game
The Legacy Greyhounds are the legacy 2021 A team. They did have a large turnover, but picked up a few solid kids from 91 Orange (heat) and a few others who have talent. Like any team in the fall, the kids need to learn to trust eachother and then they can start playing Lax as a team.
Right now the Greyhounds are unproven. They play fl$ next weekend in Massachusetts, so will see where they stand as a team in your "A" List.
But again, this is the fall. Let's talk again about this team and every other team in the spring and summer.
He has 29 kids on the B team, Channy does.
So with the 26 on the A team, he should make 3 teams. But they should have 22-23 kids like all other teams. His B team is 29 wo any goalies. Some kid walked off the street to play. Not even on team
Express is a joke. A team is talented though, but organization is on its way down
You are looking at it all wrong. He is doing whatever he can to field the most talented team he can. Obviously he is not content with the team he has at this time. 91 winning it all at WSYL and all four 91 teams winning at NLF has put him under major pressure to prove they are the equal to 91. If people are unhappy they should move to another program. Long Island is filled with great summer programs
Greyhounds got beat by a lot at the Legacy tournament and the Titans looked better than Greyhounds that day. Agreed Fall Ball means nothing but when most of the team leaves they have to prove they are still the A team for Legacy. Picking up 91 Orange kids means nothing. Many of the Igloo, Express team 1 and 91 Orange kids that got cut by those teams or tried out for another top 5 team had trouble making the top 5 teams and either went back to the top 4 teams if they could get back their spot or fell to B or B plus teams like legacy, Avalanche, fl$ and Ambush. They are not difference makers. Time will tell but the Greyhounds need to do a lot better than an 8-2 loss to Avalanche when the Titans lost to Avalanche that same day 6-2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Legacy Greyhounds are the legacy 2021 A team. They did have a large turnover, but picked up a few solid kids from 91 Orange (heat) and a few others who have talent. Like any team in the fall, the kids need to learn to trust eachother and then they can start playing Lax as a team.
Right now the Greyhounds are unproven. They play fl$ next weekend in Massachusetts, so will see where they stand as a team in your "A" List.
But again, this is the fall. Let's talk again about this team and every other team in the spring and summer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He has 29 kids on the B team, Channy does.
So with the 26 on the A team, he should make 3 teams. But they should have 22-23 kids like all other teams. His B team is 29 wo any goalies. Some kid walked off the street to play. Not even on team
Express is a joke. A team is talented though, but organization is on its way down


How stupid can parents be to allow a 29+ and 26+ man roster and then have kids walk on the field for tournaments? You people are getting fleeced for the "honor" of playing of the Express? Are you serious? The greatest money grab ever pulled off.
Igloo
Expess
Leading Edge
Koopers


Day 1 scores for Express: 14 - 1 vs. 91 MD, 10 - 3 vs. Dukes, and 10 - 6 vs. Koopers. Anybody have any other scores for Igloo or other teams?
Go Long Island. Looks like over the last few weeks Long Island 5th best and under teams gave Express more competition. These teams should all come to Long Island. But they never will. Good luck.


quote=Anonymous]Igloo
Expess
Leading Edge
Koopers


Day 1 scores for Express: 14 - 1 vs. 91 MD, 10 - 3 vs. Dukes, and 10 - 6 vs. Koopers. Anybody have any other scores for Igloo or other teams? [/quote]
That's great. Very impressive. Please post how Igloo did.
That's great. Very impressive. Please post how Igloo did.

Like Express, they also went 3-0.
Looks like the igloos and express train are headed for a collision course in the finals ...
Koopers is a solid team. They played Black Ice and only lost 7-3 last summer.
Making me think Express has really built a strong team who can now compete against Black Ice.
My guess is a lot of kids paid money to sit an watch Icon none paying kids play.
That's rough for sure if true.
OMG there is only two kids from Icon on the team but at least they are in seventh grade.Just get over it and stop being jealous
Let me clear up 2021
Best coaching=Icon 2 world team coaches
Express= Suckers - parents pay while guest players play the whole game for free
Guest players father whores kid out.
Icon laughs at stupidity
The guest kid plays for FREE U MORONS PAY As CHANNY disrespects ALL
OF YOU IN The NAME Of fChaminade. Just the way it is
Grow a pair and stop thinking this isn't u we are laughing at
Btw enjoy your son sitting as guest player craps on you. Tolls alone make you all a joke
]Let me clear up 2021
Best coaching=Icon 2 world team coaches
Express= Suckers - parents pay while guest players play the whole game for free
Guest players father whores kid out.
Icon laughs at stupidity
The guest kid plays for FREE U MORONS PAY As CHANNY disrespects ALL
OF YOU IN The NAME Of fChaminade. Just the way it is
Grow a pair and stop thinking this isn't u we are laughing at
Btw enjoy your son sitting as guest player craps on you. Tolls alone make you all a joke


Move on. Your obsession with express is not good for your mental or physical well being. Maybe Spend some time outdoors or with your family instead.



Jealous?, we killed u last year, will again this year.
here's one.......how bout the money grab lacrosse coaches interfering with PAL football season and play offs. how bout that. I'm a lacrosse coach as well as a football coach. I'm so disgusted with how this has become. right now I'm in football season and I have kids at tournaments lol and we're a play off team. another team in our division completely forfeited their play offs because they have a large number of kids that were probably told we're going to Princeton this weekend and if u play football instead you'll be banned from 91 for life. lmfao. so meanwhile now a football season is completely wasted. and don't give me oh my son has a chance at playing lacrosse in college better than he does at football. cuz one day that last college game is played and then it's off to the real world. word to the wise all you parents whose kids play lacrosse and football.....do us all a favor next football season.....don't sign your kids up for football.....you're wasting our time
Originally Posted by Anonymous
here's one.......how bout the money grab lacrosse coaches interfering with PAL football season and play offs. how bout that. I'm a lacrosse coach as well as a football coach. I'm so disgusted with how this has become. right now I'm in football season and I have kids at tournaments lol and we're a play off team. another team in our division completely forfeited their play offs because they have a large number of kids that were probably told we're going to Princeton this weekend and if u play football instead you'll be banned from 91 for life. lmfao. so meanwhile now a football season is completely wasted. and don't give me oh my son has a chance at playing lacrosse in college better than he does at football. cuz one day that last college game is played and then it's off to the real world. word to the wise all you parents whose kids play lacrosse and football.....do us all a favor next football season.....don't sign your kids up for football.....you're wasting our time


Totally agree....but they won't drop football because they need it to tell the college coaches that they are "multisport athletes"and not just lacrosse players. In other words, many of the kids you are describing only play football to help get recruited for lax. Once they commit then they'll drop foorball like a hot potato for fear of being injured and blowing their lax deal. I have older kids and have seen this play out time and again. Feel bad for the football guys.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
here's one.......how bout the money grab lacrosse coaches interfering with PAL football season and play offs. how bout that. I'm a lacrosse coach as well as a football coach. I'm so disgusted with how this has become. right now I'm in football season and I have kids at tournaments lol and we're a play off team. another team in our division completely forfeited their play offs because they have a large number of kids that were probably told we're going to Princeton this weekend and if u play football instead you'll be banned from 91 for life. lmfao. so meanwhile now a football season is completely wasted. and don't give me oh my son has a chance at playing lacrosse in college better than he does at football. cuz one day that last college game is played and then it's off to the real world. word to the wise all you parents whose kids play lacrosse and football.....do us all a favor next football season.....don't sign your kids up for football.....you're wasting our time


Totally agree....but they won't drop football because they need it to tell the college coaches that they are "multisport athletes"and not just lacrosse players. In other words, many of the kids you are describing only play football to help get recruited for lax. Once they commit then they'll drop foorball like a hot potato for fear of being injured and blowing their lax deal. I have older kids and have seen this play out time and again. Feel bad for the football guys.
Yeah I mean don't get me wrong I coach both sports and I'd be equally annoyed if my team was in a tournament in lacrosse season and one of my players said I can't play lacrosse today u have soccer or basketball. commit for God sakes. it's not fair to your coaches who devote their time to you guys each season and now like I said here's the play offs which you work all year for and one of the better teams forfeits to go play lacrosse. zero class. thank God the team I was supposed to play forfeited too because some of my kids decided to play lacrosse too this weekend as if as a seventh grader hopkins was banging their door down. give it a rest.
LI is the premier hotbed for lacrosse, would not expect anything else. Coaches need to know the players better and that they might jump ship for a lax tournament. Do your job as a coach and have depth.
We will see what a difference maker the icon player is today when Express plays Black Ice. If it is a tight game or Express wins I don't see Icon players leaving Express.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He has 29 kids on the B team, Channy does.
So with the 26 on the A team, he should make 3 teams. But they should have 22-23 kids like all other teams. His B team is 29 wo any goalies. Some kid walked off the street to play. Not even on team
Express is a joke. A team is talented though, but organization is on its way down


on its way down with too many kids. you should rethink that thought. people won't play on B let alone C. give me a break.
It's odd that a parent that is not on Express is so worried about what they do. Obviously it's right for those families or they would not be there. Make your team better and beat them.
His kid probably doesn't even care about express but the dad is a jealous nut who can't let it go. Go worry about your kids new team and move on. Obviously the parents of express wouldn't pay for something that they weren't happy with. No one needs your negative comments to explain how express works - if your kid moved on you should too.

Looks like the igloos and express train are headed for a collision course in the finals ...

Igloo vs. Dukes and Express vs. Sweetlax both won big in the semis. LI showdown in the finals.
Anybody have the score from the express/igloo game?
Looks like the igloos and express train are headed for a collision course in the finals ...

Igloo vs. Dukes and Express vs. Sweetlax both won big in the semis. LI showdown in the finals.

7-6 Express at the half.
And the final score?
And the final score?


Was 10-10 with a few minutes left and Igloo scored the final 3. 13-10 final. Was tied at 4 and 8 and 10. Many lead changes. Great game.

Come on your killing us. Whats the final?
Looks like they were able to contain the big midfielder in the 2nd half.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And the final score?


igloo wins


It would be nice if the top four teams on Long Island could set up a weekend where the teams play each other two times over a weekend and then the top two teams play for the championship. Last year igloo set up a four way that included Express but Igloo will now avoid Express. Today was too close of a game for them to risk playing Express again voluntarily. Black ice only plays 20 to 25 games a year to avoid loses. All the other AA teams play almost double the number of games a year. Igloo has the field time to set something up. It would be great for all four teams. Doubtful it will happen after today.

igloo wins [/quote]
What a stupid comment
Black ice only plays 20-25 games a year and other clubs play twice as many??? Good, sounds reasonable. 50 games a year for a middle school age team?? Ridiculous. No boys this age should be playing that many. Only if you're trying to build mini lax robots ... that will ultimately burn out. And forget about being a multi sport athlete if you play that many lax games ...
Originally Posted by Anonymous


It would be nice if the top four teams on Long Island could set up a weekend where the teams play each other two times over a weekend and then the top two teams play for the championship. Last year igloo set up a four way that included Express but Igloo will now avoid Express. Today was too close of a game for them to risk playing Express again voluntarily. Black ice only plays 20 to 25 games a year to avoid loses. All the other AA teams play almost double the number of games a year. Igloo has the field time to set something up. It would be great for all four teams. Doubtful it will happen after today.

igloo wins
[/quote]

pretty sure igloo doesn't need to prove anything. go find them at one of their tourneys if you want a rematch that badly.
Last year you saw teams start to catch up to igloo. Years of playing no competition has hurt them. This team helped build and develop the igloo program by destroying everyone but the players may not have develop as much as they could have playing mostly lopsided games. They are better off playing closer games and maybe not winning every game. You get better playing close games. That's how kids will get better. Parents are too much into wins and losses which mean nothing. The best programs put teams in games that will be competitive.
Sounds like you're a disgruntled losing football dad and coach. Thanks for the offer but we're more than satisfied with having won out lax tourney today in addition to having won the the last 20 plus football games. Lol!
Black Ice is the class of 2021 but Express, 91, Icon & Eclipse has closed the gap and made it interesting. This spring and summer will be fun.
Did any out of state kids play for igloo today?
I didn't know there were zip code restrictions for travel teams? As long as a player makes practices, it should not matter where they travel from.

FYI, i would also think all the kids were "out of state" since none of them reside in Maryland" dad smile
It was a great game played by both teams! Many lead changes, great lax play throughout. Playing at these levels will only improve both teams moving forward. Congrats to both teams for putting on an exciting game to watch.
Long island has some amazing lax players and its nice to drive 4 plus hours to watch our kids play verse each other instead of a 20 or 30 minute drive to a neighboring local field on turf and not hay like grass smile
Overall, it was an exciting game!
I guess that means the kid who does not live on Long island did play for Igloo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I didn't know there were zip code restrictions for travel teams? As long as a player makes practices, it should not matter where they travel from.

FYI, i would also think all the kids were "out of state" since none of them reside in Maryland" dad smile
Since July Icon and Express have played Black Ice very close. Black Ice did not play 91 Orange Heat last year. When they finally play that should be a great game.
Did any Icon kids play for Express in that game?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did any out of state kids play for igloo today?
Probably, they are on the team, right? Anything wrong with that? They can draw from wherever they want. I don't get it, but no foul...
Did everyone play on team channy in championship game ?



quote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And the final score?


igloo wins [/quote]
Not for this tournament - agree - no zip code restrictions and for most, but for World Series - gotta live within 99 miles......so may make a difference for some clubs - birth certificates certainly will too. Especially for Crabs who have a kid that is aged for 9th grade on team.
You better get used to players from other teams playing for Express. No disrespect to Black Ice but they have no recruitment history. As these kids go into 8th and 9th grade and older Express, 91 and fl$ are going to keep getting stronger by the best kids going to those teams. Black Ice will loose players to these teams as well. The only reason kids want play for Black Ice now is because they are so much better than all the other teams. If they loose that dominance they will also loose top players.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did any Icon kids play for Express in that game?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did any out of state kids play for igloo today?
Do other teams use "guest Players" borrowed from other teams in tournaments or is that just an Express phenomenon?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You better get used to players from other teams playing for Express. No disrespect to Black Ice but they have no recruitment history. As these kids go into 8th and 9th grade and older Express, 91 and fl$ are going to keep getting stronger by the best kids going to those teams. Black Ice will loose players to these teams as well. The only reason kids want play for Black Ice now is because they are so much better than all the other teams. If they loose that dominance they will also loose top players.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did any Icon kids play for Express in that game?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did any out of state kids play for igloo today?
These guest players will be full time Express at some point. Who knows what other teams do and it does not matter you play the team that is on the field against you. The top four teams Teams let kids play for free That is just as bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do other teams use "guest Players" borrowed from other teams in tournaments or is that just an Express phenomenon?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You better get used to players from other teams playing for Express. No disrespect to Black Ice but they have no recruitment history. As these kids go into 8th and 9th grade and older Express, 91 and fl$ are going to keep getting stronger by the best kids going to those teams. Black Ice will loose players to these teams as well. The only reason kids want play for Black Ice now is because they are so much better than all the other teams. If they loose that dominance they will also loose top players.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did any Icon kids play for Express in that game?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did any out of state kids play for igloo today?
My 2 cents is black Ice, Express, 91, Icon, Laxachusettes Black & Eclipse will be fighting for the four spots at regionals (WSYL).
Why dont they just hold the WSYL at Hofstra to save all the Long Island parents a ton of money.
April 2nd & 3rd will be cold in Mass.
AA came out with a double LSM on the face and express ponied up 3-0 quick. AA's experimental Defense did not work and if he did not shift back to his normal Defense, Express would of ran the score up all day! Good try AA, next time Express will adjust and make it an even closer game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
AA came out with a double LSM on the face and express ponied up 3-0 quick. AA's experimental Defense did not work and if he did not shift back to his normal Defense, Express would of ran the score up all day! Good try AA, next time Express will adjust and make it an even closer game.


How did the FO battle go between Igloo and Express?

Expressed crushed igloo for just about a half and then igloo's FO guys took control.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expressed crushed igloo for just about a half and then igloo's FO guys took control.


Unfortunately you need to play a full game to win and thats what Igloo did.

curios to see where your guest player will be playing in April ???
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expressed crushed igloo for just about a half and then igloo's FO guys took control.


Unfortunately you need to play a full game to win and thats what Igloo did.

curios to see where your guest player will be playing in April ???



Igloo will be extremely tough to beat this year. That team has incredible talent. Express can not compete with Igloo without the guest players.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expressed crushed igloo for just about a half and then igloo's FO guys took control.


Unfortunately you need to play a full game to win and thats what Igloo did.

curios to see where your guest player will be playing in April ???


Both teams played a full game and competed hard to the very end. Clearly Igloo is immensely talented; this was obvious. Express is also very talented and plays with great intensity. These games come down to a few studs on both sides making plays. Express goalie was tremendous. Igloo close D was outstanding. The best player on the field and likely the entire tournament was the big Igloo middie from Manhasset who shoots the ball 100mph. He is the straw that stirs the drink on that team. Without him, Igloo does not win that game on that particular day. No excuses and the argument goes both ways I suppose. Bottom line it was a just a great game to watch.

Igloo will be extremely tough to beat this year. That team has incredible talent. Express can not compete with Igloo without the guest players.
And who are all these guest players???
Didn't a previous poster say that the score was 7-6 at half? Granted, I was an engineering major and not a math major, but how is that a crush?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expressed crushed igloo for just about a half and then igloo's FO guys took control.
Lots of great talent on both sides of the ball. How many of the Express goals came from the two Icon "guest" players?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expressed crushed igloo for just about a half and then igloo's FO guys took control.


Unfortunately you need to play a full game to win and thats what Igloo did.

curios to see where your guest player will be playing in April ???


Both teams played a full game and competed hard to the very end. Clearly Igloo is immensely talented; this was obvious. Express is also very talented and plays with great intensity. These games come down to a few studs on both sides making plays. Express goalie was tremendous. Igloo close D was outstanding. The best player on the field and likely the entire tournament was the big Igloo middie from Manhasset who shoots the ball 100mph. He is the straw that stirs the drink on that team. Without him, Igloo does not win that game on that particular day. No excuses and the argument goes both ways I suppose. Bottom line it was a just a great game to watch.

Igloo will be extremely tough to beat this year. That team has incredible talent. Express can not compete with Igloo without the guest players.
Nonsense. This constant moaning about "guest" players centers on one kid who, while admittedly very good, is far from the reason this team is so strong. Whining about this one player does a total disservice to the rest of the team, which has talented kids who play their [lacrosse] off. BTW this kid wants to play Icon with his buddies but will stay with Express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expressed crushed igloo for just about a half and then igloo's FO guys took control.


Unfortunately you need to play a full game to win and thats what Igloo did.

curios to see where your guest player will be playing in April ???



Igloo will be extremely tough to beat this year. That team has incredible talent. Express can not compete with Igloo without the guest players.
what are you talking about two guest players? from what i know there was only 1 and he's from an express family already and will play with them in the fall. dominating guest players???
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nonsense. This constant moaning about "guest" players centers on one kid who, while admittedly very good, is far from the reason this team is so strong. Whining about this one player does a total disservice to the rest of the team, which has talented kids who play their [lacrosse] off. BTW this kid wants to play Icon with his buddies but will stay with Express.

Who did Express pick up this year? Why are they better than last year? Don't tell me better coaching and player development.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expressed crushed igloo for just about a half and then igloo's FO guys took control.


Unfortunately you need to play a full game to win and thats what Igloo did.

curios to see where your guest player will be playing in April ???



Igloo will be extremely tough to beat this year. That team has incredible talent. Express can not compete with Igloo without the guest players.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are you talking about two guest players? from what i know there was only 1 and he's from an express family already and will play with them in the fall. dominating guest players???


Who cares move on this from an Igloo parent thank you express for a great game wish we could play every week . Great job see ya soon
Let's see if the guest player goes back to Icon. Whoever said he wasn't a difference maker was not paying attention. He is by far the best player on Express. Big, strong, fast with skills at 2021 that's dominating. Thinking that's why Icon played Black Ice to a one goal game last summer. Two 2021 teams played Black Ice to a tight game and there was one common denominator (guest player). Let's just be thankful he's not on Black Ice.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are you talking about two guest players? from what i know there was only 1 and he's from an express family already and will play with them in the fall. dominating guest players???


Who cares move on this from an Igloo parent thank you express for a great game wish we could play every week . Great job see ya soon


LOL......would you rather we discuss your player from PA or how your team represented itself as 2021 for it's entire existence while having grade inappropriate players? Or how about we broach the subject of players with summer and fall 2002 birthdays who should be in 8th grade but are in 7th?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's see if the guest player goes back to Icon. Whoever said he wasn't a difference maker was not paying attention. He is by far the best player on Express. Big, strong, fast with skills at 2021 that's dominating. Thinking that's why Icon played Black Ice to a one goal game last summer. Two 2021 teams played Black Ice to a tight game and there was one common denominator (guest player). Let's just be thankful he's not on Black Ice.


Not sure who you think the Icon guest player was, but he is not a big, strong kid. Guest player is smaller, quick, and highly skilled kid.
That "guest Player" is far from big and strong. Yes, he is very good. Great stick skills and sees the field well but he is NOT big and strong. Think we are talking about the wrong kid here...
Ha! The kid you're talking about is and always has been express. End. Stop.
The big strong kid owns New [lacrosse] City
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The big strong kid owns New [lacrosse] City


Bloomberg is still playing lacrosse. How many times can you hold someone back! Jeezz
If igloo is that good, self proclaimed, stop whining about "guest" players. Just continue to beat any 2021 team you face.
I would have more respect for the igloo clan if they would stop belly aching and just play and beat who you compete against and stop saying it is because of "guest players".
You guys won, it was a great game and so was the icon game from last year. Can't you admit these games are far batter than the 20-3 games?
I hope we meet up again and would love to be the 2021 team to hand you guys your first age bracket loss in sometime. Kudo's to you guys, but see you soon enough smile
PS, is 91 playing hide and seek? lol
So now we know both teams are great and neither one is perfect. Right now Igloo is still the best but Igloo parents are not used to teams playing them so close. They better get used to closer games. As the kids get older the age advantage igloo enjoys will be less. Also as time goes on Parents will wake up and move kids to teams that have a history and relationships with many colleges. It happens all the time as the kids get older. Igloo ,91 and Express are so close in talent all it will take is for igloo to loose one top five player to knock them off as the number one team. Once they are not number one more kids will leave. It Has happened many times in the past when the best team for an age group has less college conections compared to teams number two and three. The best teams are only as good as their top five players. Take away the top five kids from all these teams and there is no difference between team one and team number 8. You will learn it means nothing to be on the best team. It is all about the college conections starting next year. The 2021 age group will be no different from all the older age groups and all the best kids will go to 91, express and fl$ over the next two years. This arguing now on who is the best is nonsense.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now we know both teams are great and neither one is perfect. Right now Igloo is still the best but Igloo parents are not used to teams playing them so close. They better get used to closer games. As the kids get older the age advantage igloo enjoys will be less. Also as time goes on Parents will wake up and move kids to teams that have a history and relationships with many colleges. It happens all the time as the kids get older. Igloo ,91 and Express are so close in talent all it will take is for igloo to loose one top five player to knock them off as the number one team. Once they are not number one more kids will leave. It Has happened many times in the past when the best team for an age group has less college conections compared to teams number two and three. The best teams are only as good as their top five players. Take away the top five kids from all these teams and there is no difference between team one and team number 8. You will learn it means nothing to be on the best team. It is all about the college conections starting next year. The 2021 age group will be no different from all the older age groups and all the best kids will go to 91, express and fl$ over the next two years. This arguing now on who is the best is nonsense.


No connection to Igloo, but anyone's who been in common tournaments with Tourney Machine knows that had something like 3 1-goal wins this Summer. And, WSL may be a load of BS, but if they go and win it and keep getting invites to play up like Crush seems to have, do you really think those kids will need to switch teams for recruiting purposes?
Top 5 kids on Igloo... No they won't need help if grades are above a 90. If grades below a 90 it will be a different story. The rest of the kids without a doubt they will need a lot of help. I bet an Express, 91 or fl$ kid will get the desired spots before anyone else. My son played for one of those three teams and it is amazing what they can do for a kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now we know both teams are great and neither one is perfect. Right now Igloo is still the best but Igloo parents are not used to teams playing them so close. They better get used to closer games. As the kids get older the age advantage igloo enjoys will be less. Also as time goes on Parents will wake up and move kids to teams that have a history and relationships with many colleges. It happens all the time as the kids get older. Igloo ,91 and Express are so close in talent all it will take is for igloo to loose one top five player to knock them off as the number one team. Once they are not number one more kids will leave. It Has happened many times in the past when the best team for an age group has less college conections compared to teams number two and three. The best teams are only as good as their top five players. Take away the top five kids from all these teams and there is no difference between team one and team number 8. You will learn it means nothing to be on the best team. It is all about the college conections starting next year. The 2021 age group will be no different from all the older age groups and all the best kids will go to 91, express and fl$ over the next two years. This arguing now on who is the best is nonsense.


No connection to Igloo, but anyone's who been in common tournaments with Tourney Machine knows that had something like 3 1-goal wins this Summer. And, WSL may be a load of BS, but if they go and win it and keep getting invites to play up like Crush seems to have, do you really think those kids will need to switch teams for recruiting purposes?
Those top kids would have no limits if they play for a team that knows college coaches and are trusted. A team that has never got a kid into a college and has limited conections will only be able to help a top kid so much. My bet would be less talented Express kids land in a better spot than a more talented kid from a team with less college contacts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 5 kids on Igloo... No they won't need help if grades are above a 90. If grades below a 90 it will be a different story. The rest of the kids without a doubt they will need a lot of help. I bet an Express, 91 or fl$ kid will get the desired spots before anyone else. My son played for one of those three teams and it is amazing what they can do for a kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now we know both teams are great and neither one is perfect. Right now Igloo is still the best but Igloo parents are not used to teams playing them so close. They better get used to closer games. As the kids get older the age advantage igloo enjoys will be less. Also as time goes on Parents will wake up and move kids to teams that have a history and relationships with many colleges. It happens all the time as the kids get older. Igloo ,91 and Express are so close in talent all it will take is for igloo to loose one top five player to knock them off as the number one team. Once they are not number one more kids will leave. It Has happened many times in the past when the best team for an age group has less college conections compared to teams number two and three. The best teams are only as good as their top five players. Take away the top five kids from all these teams and there is no difference between team one and team number 8. You will learn it means nothing to be on the best team. It is all about the college conections starting next year. The 2021 age group will be no different from all the older age groups and all the best kids will go to 91, express and fl$ over the next two years. This arguing now on who is the best is nonsense.


No connection to Igloo, but anyone's who been in common tournaments with Tourney Machine knows that had something like 3 1-goal wins this Summer. And, WSL may be a load of BS, but if they go and win it and keep getting invites to play up like Crush seems to have, do you really think those kids will need to switch teams for recruiting purposes?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If igloo is that good, self proclaimed, stop whining about "guest" players. Just continue to beat any 2021 team you face.
I would have more respect for the igloo clan if they would stop belly aching and just play and beat who you compete against and stop saying it is because of "guest players".
You guys won, it was a great game and so was the icon game from last year. Can't you admit these games are far batter than the 20-3 games?
I hope we meet up again and would love to be the 2021 team to hand you guys your first age bracket loss in sometime. Kudo's to you guys, but see you soon enough smile And I think thats what this post is about. A guy who can't stand that his kids team can't beat Igloo and they continue to dominate at 2021.
PS, is 91 playing hide and seek? lol
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Those top kids would have no limits if they play for a team that knows college coaches and are trusted. A team that has never got a kid into a college and has limited conections will only be able to help a top kid so much. My bet would be less talented Express kids land in a better spot than a more talented kid from a team with less college contacts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 5 kids on Igloo... No they won't need help if grades are above a 90. If grades below a 90 it will be a different story. The rest of the kids without a doubt they will need a lot of help. I bet an Express, 91 or fl$ kid will get the desired spots before anyone else. My son played for one of those three teams and it is amazing what they can do for a kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now we know both teams are great and neither one is perfect. Right now Igloo is still the best but Igloo parents are not used to teams playing them so close. They better get used to closer games. As the kids get older the age advantage igloo enjoys will be less. Also as time goes on Parents will wake up and move kids to teams that have a history and relationships with many colleges. It happens all the time as the kids get older. Igloo ,91 and Express are so close in talent all it will take is for igloo to loose one top five player to knock them off as the number one team. Once they are not number one more kids will leave. It Has happened many times in the past when the best team for an age group has less college conections compared to teams number two and three. The best teams are only as good as their top five players. Take away the top five kids from all these teams and there is no difference between team one and team number 8. You will learn it means nothing to be on the best team. It is all about the college conections starting next year. The 2021 age group will be no different from all the older age groups and all the best kids will go to 91, express and fl$ over the next two years. This arguing now on who is the best is nonsense.


No connection to Igloo, but anyone's who been in common tournaments with Tourney Machine knows that had something like 3 1-goal wins this Summer. And, WSL may be a load of BS, but if they go and win it and keep getting invites to play up like Crush seems to have, do you really think those kids will need to switch teams for recruiting purposes?


Sorry but Igloo is the top of 2021. WHen coaches start looking at the top talent they will look at Igloo, Rich Kotite could be their coach , if the college coaches see the talent then thats all she wrote .
Just because a kid is on Igloo does not mean he will play college. Over the years most of the kids that left Igloo voluntarily or got cut could not make another AA or even A team and are on B teams now. Avalanche has many old Black Ice players and they are a B plus team at best. Avalanche with all those former black Ice kids got beat By Express 11-2 a couple of weeks ago. Sorry college coaches don't care what team a kid is on. They turn to programs and directors they know and trust.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Those top kids would have no limits if they play for a team that knows college coaches and are trusted. A team that has never got a kid into a college and has limited conections will only be able to help a top kid so much. My bet would be less talented Express kids land in a better spot than a more talented kid from a team with less college contacts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 5 kids on Igloo... No they won't need help if grades are above a 90. If grades below a 90 it will be a different story. The rest of the kids without a doubt they will need a lot of help. I bet an Express, 91 or fl$ kid will get the desired spots before anyone else. My son played for one of those three teams and it is amazing what they can do for a kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now we know both teams are great and neither one is perfect. Right now Igloo is still the best but Igloo parents are not used to teams playing them so close. They better get used to closer games. As the kids get older the age advantage igloo enjoys will be less. Also as time goes on Parents will wake up and move kids to teams that have a history and relationships with many colleges. It happens all the time as the kids get older. Igloo ,91 and Express are so close in talent all it will take is for igloo to loose one top five player to knock them off as the number one team. Once they are not number one more kids will leave. It Has happened many times in the past when the best team for an age group has less college conections compared to teams number two and three. The best teams are only as good as their top five players. Take away the top five kids from all these teams and there is no difference between team one and team number 8. You will learn it means nothing to be on the best team. It is all about the college conections starting next year. The 2021 age group will be no different from all the older age groups and all the best kids will go to 91, express and fl$ over the next two years. This arguing now on who is the best is nonsense.


No connection to Igloo, but anyone's who been in common tournaments with Tourney Machine knows that had something like 3 1-goal wins this Summer. And, WSL may be a load of BS, but if they go and win it and keep getting invites to play up like Crush seems to have, do you really think those kids will need to switch teams for recruiting purposes?


Sorry but Igloo is the top of 2021. WHen coaches start looking at the top talent they will look at Igloo, Rich Kotite could be their coach , if the college coaches see the talent then thats all she wrote .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just because a kid is on Igloo does not mean he will play college. Over the years most of the kids that left Igloo voluntarily or got cut could not make another AA or even A team and are on B teams now. Avalanche has many old Black Ice players and they are a B plus team at best. Avalanche with all those former black Ice kids got beat By Express 11-2 a couple of weeks ago. Sorry college coaches don't care what team a kid is on. They turn to programs and directors they know and trust.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Those top kids would have no limits if they play for a team that knows college coaches and are trusted. A team that has never got a kid into a college and has limited conections will only be able to help a top kid so much. My bet would be less talented Express kids land in a better spot than a more talented kid from a team with less college contacts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 5 kids on Igloo... No they won't need help if grades are above a 90. If grades below a 90 it will be a different story. The rest of the kids without a doubt they will need a lot of help. I bet an Express, 91 or fl$ kid will get the desired spots before anyone else. My son played for one of those three teams and it is amazing what they can do for a kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now we know both teams are great and neither one is perfect. Right now Igloo is still the best but Igloo parents are not used to teams playing them so close. They better get used to closer games. As the kids get older the age advantage igloo enjoys will be less. Also as time goes on Parents will wake up and move kids to teams that have a history and relationships with many colleges. It happens all the time as the kids get older. Igloo ,91 and Express are so close in talent all it will take is for igloo to loose one top five player to knock them off as the number one team. Once they are not number one more kids will leave. It Has happened many times in the past when the best team for an age group has less college conections compared to teams number two and three. The best teams are only as good as their top five players. Take away the top five kids from all these teams and there is no difference between team one and team number 8. You will learn it means nothing to be on the best team. It is all about the college conections starting next year. The 2021 age group will be no different from all the older age groups and all the best kids will go to 91, express and fl$ over the next two years. This arguing now on who is the best is nonsense.


No connection to Igloo, but anyone's who been in common tournaments with Tourney Machine knows that had something like 3 1-goal wins this Summer. And, WSL may be a load of BS, but if they go and win it and keep getting invites to play up like Crush seems to have, do you really think those kids will need to switch teams for recruiting purposes?


Sorry but Igloo is the top of 2021. WHen coaches start looking at the top talent they will look at Igloo, Rich Kotite could be their coach , if the college coaches see the talent then thats all she wrote .



Yeah, thats what they do, When they get a call from a a director of the proper club team they automatically send out a scholarship letter. Sorry, but these coaches need to see these kids play with their own eyes. If Igloo ends up being the best team in the Nation this year coaches will watch them.
This is an interesting debate. On the one hand, Igloo has been the best 2021 team and seems to have added talent with an eye towards the WSL. How will they not get invites to the best tournaments over the next couple years? Will their players really not get showcase spots? Maybe not.

When one looks at the 2019 early commits and even the 2018 commits, they are concentrated among a remarkably small number of clubs. Either these clubs attract the best players in the country or college coaches are "efficient, to put it nicely, in how they evaluate and recruit talent or, perhaps, rely on or follow the recommendations of club coaches.

It's insane to think that the entire recruiting circus for 2021's may start in less than 12 months, if not earlier, and in any event in about 18 months.
Not if igloo can't get in the tournaments that the coaches are at !
Assume Igloo will not attempt to use the alleged out of state player in the WSYL Qualifier and Tournament - home addresses and birth certificates are required submissions to enter
Coaches will go to programs they know and trust not a new program trying to make a name with one talented team. Playing ability is only part of the equation. There is character , work ethic and much more. This type of information comes from the club teams and it requires a high degree of trust and credibility. You are nuts if you think one great team in a program buys credibility for an unknown director. If the number one team's best players were to leave and go to Express or 91 those teams would be the number one team talent wise and those kids would have the benefit of the recruitment history of those teams. Why risk it with an unknown? You get one chance at this. Do you even know your teams future plans for recruitment help? All it takes is a couple of top kids to leave the number one team and there goes the best team will be followed by colleges theory. Further beating Express by three goals and icon by one is not so impressive to college coaches that it would make them follow that team around. Good luck in the future and we all hope it works for you.
Keep hating. smile
You make a valid point above in regards to "why risk the unkown". My question though, if a program has a winning team which consistently wins at high levels regardless of 1 or 2 goal victories. Why would college coaches elect not to see why this team and coaching staff are winning? Don't you think just out of curiosity they would want to see what sets them apart?
i am sure when 91 and express first broke onto the lax scene, they had one or two team's as well and over time they built their own empire. Why hate on a director who is completely hands on, many, many of the players and parents love him and he truly cares about the game and your child's lacrosse development.
i don't know nor do i understand this. i can only say the group of boys on the team may not be the best of the best by themselves, but as a unit, they most certainly are. Yes, the team has its studs as every team does, but those that may not shine as bright certainly are nothing less than "A" players as well. I wish igloo well and i hope when and if they lose they learn from it and continue to win and play at such a high level.
No one is hating. It is just very funny that Black Ice parents think colleges are so impressed with this team that they are going to follow this team around because they beat Icon by one goal and Express by three goals. If you think about it it makes no sense but we get it , you want to believe it is true so you will ignore logic. It is like talking to a kid who joined a cult and ignores logic and believes the cult leader no matter what. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep hating. smile
You stating this team is a B+ team at best shows where the line of thinking is coming from. You can't say much about the other 2021 team so you try to make a point with the what you call the "B Team". I am sure you know someone on this team as you took the liberty of commenting about some kids leaving and not making AA teams, and their successes or failures as you describe. What you fail to realize is the 2021 kids not on any "AA Team"s have something to work towards. Developing your son into a better player whether it be skill, confidence, or strength should always be the main objective. I speak from recent experience (As you probably cannot) many of these kids in 2021 regardless of team will have an opportunity to go showcase and personally compete. If your son is that good he will get the invites and looks he deserves. Committing to a school in 8/9th Grade for lacrosse doesn't always work out in favor of the student. Wait These kids are 12 years old..they are just students right?
Best 2021 Goalie:
1)Express
2)91 (close 2nd)
3)Icon
4)Igloo

Best 2021 Defense:
1)igloo
2)91
3)Icon
4)Express

Best 2021 1st Middie Line:
1)Express
2)Igloo
3)91
4)Icon

Best 2021 Attack:
1)Express, Igloo & 91
2)Icon

Best 2021 Bench:
1)Igloo
2)91 & Express
3)Icon

Best 2021 Head coach:
1)Icon & 91
2)Igloo
3)Express

Best recruitment system:
1)91 & Express hands down
2)Icon
3)Igloo

Any thoughts, kinda of fun no?
I Believe these are the top teams in the northeast hands down and are going to Lax world series. And guess what they are all from LI..


the point is just because a kid plays for black ice, express Channy or 91 heat does not mean the kid is an A player or will play college lax. Kids that left all three of these teams the last few years tried out for A and AA teams and did not make them. Nothing wrong with being on a B team as there are many A and AA kids on those teams and are having fun and great for learning. Parents have got to wake up. talent only gets you so far. The old saying goes it's not what you know but it is who you know. That is true more so in the lax word.

quote=Anonymous]You stating this team is a B+ team at best shows where the line of thinking is coming from. You can't say much about the other 2021 team so you try to make a point with the what you call the "B Team". I am sure you know someone on this team as you took the liberty of commenting about some kids leaving and not making AA teams, and their successes or failures as you describe. What you fail to realize is the 2021 kids not on any "AA Team"s have something to work towards. Developing your son into a better player whether it be skill, confidence, or strength should always be the main objective. I speak from recent experience (As you probably cannot) many of these kids in 2021 regardless of team will have an opportunity to go showcase and personally compete. If your son is that good he will get the invites and looks he deserves. Committing to a school in 8/9th Grade for lacrosse doesn't always work out in favor of the student. Wait These kids are 12 years old..they are just students right? [/quote]
When you list best positions, coach's, etc., it is a opinion, but the recruitment process. Very hard to judge Icon and Igloo in the recruitment process as they are kind of new to it as a organization, but you have to be kidding me that if anyone does not think the coach's at Icon would not have more input with any college over anyone of the other teams you are completely wrong. When it comes time I can't imagine any coach in the country will not take their word over any of the other in a heart beat, not even close. They are two of the most respected people in lacrosse. I think they have more experience in what is best and who they can call than all the others combined.
As for the discussion of best att,mid,def,coach, are you including the Icon mid with Express, if so I would agree, if not Igloo has the best mid, Icon has the best attack group and Igloo has best def. As far as the other post they are right on with the input the Icon staff will have in the future with recruiting over all.
Yes, i am including the little guy without him they dont have a face off guy and i do agree with the icon coach input, thats why they are 2nd.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just because a kid is on Igloo does not mean he will play college. Over the years most of the kids that left Igloo voluntarily or got cut could not make another AA or even A team and are on B teams now. Avalanche has many old Black Ice players and they are a B plus team at best. Avalanche with all those former black Ice kids got beat By Express 11-2 a couple of weeks ago. Sorry college coaches don't care what team a kid is on. They turn to programs and directors they know and trust.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Those top kids would have no limits if they play for a team that knows college coaches and are trusted. A team that has never got a kid into a college and has limited conections will only be able to help a top kid so much. My bet would be less talented Express kids land in a better spot than a more talented kid from a team with less college contacts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 5 kids on Igloo... No they won't need help if grades are above a 90. If grades below a 90 it will be a different story. The rest of the kids without a doubt they will need a lot of help. I bet an Express, 91 or fl$ kid will get the desired spots before anyone else. My son played for one of those three teams and it is amazing what they can do for a kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now we know both teams are great and neither one is perfect. Right now Igloo is still the best but Igloo parents are not used to teams playing them so close. They better get used to closer games. As the kids get older the age advantage igloo enjoys will be less. Also as time goes on Parents will wake up and move kids to teams that have a history and relationships with many colleges. It happens all the time as the kids get older. Igloo ,91 and Express are so close in talent all it will take is for igloo to loose one top five player to knock them off as the number one team. Once they are not number one more kids will leave. It Has happened many times in the past when the best team for an age group has less college conections compared to teams number two and three. The best teams are only as good as their top five players. Take away the top five kids from all these teams and there is no difference between team one and team number 8. You will learn it means nothing to be on the best team. It is all about the college conections starting next year. The 2021 age group will be no different from all the older age groups and all the best kids will go to 91, express and fl$ over the next two years. This arguing now on who is the best is nonsense.


No connection to Igloo, but anyone's who been in common tournaments with Tourney Machine knows that had something like 3 1-goal wins this Summer. And, WSL may be a load of BS, but if they go and win it and keep getting invites to play up like Crush seems to have, do you really think those kids will need to switch teams for recruiting purposes?


Sorry but Igloo is the top of 2021. WHen coaches start looking at the top talent they will look at Igloo, Rich Kotite could be their coach , if the college coaches see the talent then thats all she wrote .


Not really how it works!! You will see. And they haven't played their first middle school game yet. Don't know where they are going to HS. Really need to relax with the recruiting nonsense at this age. It's not real or happening. And don't think this big showcases are just going to let you in with your one good team. They will go to the clubs who have produced over the years. Express , 91, Crabs, Dukes, Sweetlax , WC Stars etc.
Having a son who played against Igloo(2x), Express (at least 5x) , Icon (2x) and 91 (1x) and also I understand the Icon mid is only a guest player for Express(which is crazy as it is getting more and more like soccer which s---) I would go with Igloo as the strongest mid given the size and speed, as well as there def with 91 being a very close 2nd and the Icon attack. Coaching staff and potential recruiting not close- Icon. Hard to give Express any kudos as it is my opinion that it is just flat out wrong to bring other kids in. Really don't know who is on their team. They do have one other top mid and a top def ( if he is on their LI team or City team). Overall best team Igloo.
Played against these teams multiple times too and even more than this person who posted. Igloo first line Middys are amazing. This year Express improved first line where it may be equal to Igloo. Icon also just as good. Not as impressed with 91 first line. Attack on all 4 are about the same. Igloo may be the best but not by much. Defense Igloo by far the best and Icon/91 close to each other. Express way behind at defense. In fact teams ranked 5 and 6 have a better defense than Express. Goalies Express has the best. The other three are about equal.
Faceoff are very close. I would bet they will all beat each other on any given day. Best teams in order Igloo - 91- Express and Icon. These teams are so close it is impossible to rank them but this is an honest opinion. Would love to see them play in a league and play multiple times. That would be the real world series.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Having a son who played against Igloo(2x), Express (at least 5x) , Icon (2x) and 91 (1x) and also I understand the Icon mid is only a guest player for Express(which is crazy as it is getting more and more like soccer which s---) I would go with Igloo as the strongest mid given the size and speed, as well as there def with 91 being a very close 2nd and the Icon attack. Coaching staff and potential recruiting not close- Icon. Hard to give Express any kudos as it is my opinion that it is just flat out wrong to bring other kids in. Really don't know who is on their team. They do have one other top mid and a top def ( if he is on their LI team or City team). Overall best team Igloo.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Coaches will go to programs they know and trust not a new program trying to make a name with one talented team. Playing ability is only part of the equation. There is character , work ethic and much more. This type of information comes from the club teams and it requires a high degree of trust and credibility. You are nuts if you think one great team in a program buys credibility for an unknown director. If the number one team's best players were to leave and go to Express or 91 those teams would be the number one team talent wise and those kids would have the benefit of the recruitment history of those teams. Why risk it with an unknown? You get one chance at this. Do you even know your teams future plans for recruitment help? All it takes is a couple of top kids to leave the number one team and there goes the best team will be followed by colleges theory. Further beating Express by three goals and icon by one is not so impressive to college coaches that it would make them follow that team around. Good luck in the future and we all hope it works for you.
Thats why they really want to talk to the HS coach who can give a much more detailed background. Hey, these clubs are making hundreds of thousands by making people believe they need them to get recruited. College coaches are looking for players who can help them win, period.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Best 2021 Goalie:
1)Express
2)91 (close 2nd)
3)Icon
4)Igloo

Best 2021 Defense:
1)igloo
2)91
3)Icon
4)Express

Best 2021 1st Middie Line:
1)Express
2)Igloo
3)91
4)Icon

Best 2021 Attack:
1)Express, Igloo & 91
2)Icon

Best 2021 Bench:
1)Igloo
2)91 & Express
3)Icon

Best 2021 Head coach:
1)Icon & 91
2)Igloo
3)Express

Best recruitment system:
1)91 & Express hands down
2)Icon
3)Igloo

Any thoughts, kinda of fun no?
I Believe these are the top teams in the northeast hands down and are going to Lax world series. And guess what they are all from LI..


What no Outlaws !!!!!!!!!
If you are talking about Long Island I concur, but the northeast has a few other very talented teams at 2021. Victor, Laxachusettes, Eclipse & Primetime. No doubt one of these teams will knock off one of the LI teams. As for best goalie Laxachusettes has two outstanding goalies & Eclipse has the best attack I ever seen at this level. Defense and midfield I agree with the original post. Face off the Primetime kid did well against 91 & express so I would put him as an equal to the rest.
My son is a 2021 and has been invited to Showcase. Is it worth it at this age? Does anyone have experience with Showcases? Thanks in advance.
No Names
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Best 2021 Goalie:
1)Express
2)91 (close 2nd)
3)Icon
4)Igloo

Best 2021 Defense:
1)igloo
2)91
3)Icon
4)Express

Best 2021 1st Middie Line:
1)Express
2)Igloo
3)91
4)Icon

Best 2021 Attack:
1)Express, Igloo & 91
2)Icon

Best 2021 Bench:
1)Igloo
2)91 & Express
3)Icon

Best 2021 Head coach:
1)Icon & 91
2)Igloo
3)Express

Best recruitment system:
1)91 & Express hands down
2)Icon
3)Igloo

Any thoughts, kinda of fun no?
I Believe these are the top teams in the northeast hands down and are going to Lax world series. And guess what they are all from LI..

All of this conjecture is is not worth anything.
What no Outlaws !!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you are talking about Long Island I concur, but the northeast has a few other very talented teams at 2021. Victor, Laxachusettes, Eclipse & Primetime. No doubt one of these teams will knock off one of the LI teams. As for best goalie Laxachusettes has two outstanding goalies & Eclipse has the best attack I ever seen at this level. Defense and midfield I agree with the original post. Face off the Primetime kid did well against 91 & express so I would put him as an equal to the rest.


Really?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a 2021 and has been invited to Showcase. Is it worth it at this age? Does anyone have experience with Showcases? Thanks in advance.


Not sure they look at them this young. You'd have to see who is going to be there. To be honest, Any private HSs ? if the money is cheap and its close might be a good idea to get some experience at one when there is no pressure. Fight, don't fight, Noodle , don't noodle
There are no showcases for 2021. If your talking about NLF my son went to the one last July in Taunton and they did not deliver what they said they would do. Only the class of 2019 had college coaches and an all-star game. The classes of 2020, 2021 & 2022 had a half day of instruction and then games. In my opinion it was good experience to the boys if they never went to camp of this type. They over sold their 3 days but not a total waste. The talent was top notch.
Hopefully the one at IMG will be much better since they gained experience in the summer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a 2021 and has been invited to Showcase. Is it worth it at this age? Does anyone have experience with Showcases? Thanks in advance.


Not sure they look at them this young. You'd have to see who is going to be there. To be honest, Any private HSs ? if the money is cheap and its close might be a good idea to get some experience at one when there is no pressure. Fight, don't fight, Noodle , don't noodle

Thanks for the advice, not really close and not that cheap. Personally I think he is too young. Thanks again.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are no showcases for 2021. If your talking about NLF my son went to the one last July in Taunton and they did not deliver what they said they would do. Only the class of 2019 had college coaches and an all-star game. The classes of 2020, 2021 & 2022 had a half day of instruction and then games. In my opinion it was good experience to the boys if they never went to camp of this type. They over sold their 3 days but not a total waste. The talent was top notch.
Hopefully the one at IMG will be much better since they gained experience in the summer.

That's the one, they are billing it as a Showcase. Thanks for the info.
Don't know Victor and PT is a B team who lost to B teams last summer Outlaws & Avalanche. Laxachusettes usually has a solid A team and Eclipse is an unknown also.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't know Victor and PT is a B team who lost to B teams last summer Outlaws & Avalanche. Laxachusettes usually has a solid A team and Eclipse is an unknown also.


eclipse is a very solid A team. who is the best of the bunch mentioned by a lot.
Has anyone played 91 this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Best 2021 Goalie:
1)Express
2)91 (close 2nd)
3)Icon
4)Igloo

Best 2021 Defense:
1)igloo
2)91
3)Icon
4)Express

Best 2021 1st Middie Line:
1)Express
2)Igloo
3)91
4)Icon

Best 2021 Attack:
1)Express, Igloo & 91
2)Icon

Best 2021 Bench:
1)Igloo
2)91 & Express
3)Icon

Best 2021 Head coach:
1)Icon & 91
2)Igloo
3)Express

Best recruitment system:
1)91 & Express hands down
2)Icon
3)Igloo

Any thoughts, kinda of fun no?
I Believe these are the top teams in the northeast hands down and are going to Lax world series. And guess what they are all from LI..


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't know Victor and PT is a B team who lost to B teams last summer Outlaws & Avalanche. Laxachusettes usually has a solid A team and Eclipse is an unknown also.


Laxachusettes will have a very good A team in another year. They need to get the reclassified kids from the 2020 next year
Icon plays Eclipse on Nov 15th at the Crabs Fall tournament. We will find out how good Eclipse is then.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a 2021 and has been invited to Showcase. Is it worth it at this age? Does anyone have experience with Showcases? Thanks in advance.


Not sure they look at them this young. You'd have to see who is going to be there. To be honest, Any private HSs ? if the money is cheap and its close might be a good idea to get some experience at one when there is no pressure. Fight, don't fight, Noodle , don't noodle


I just heard a story from someone else about 7th graders being invited to recruiting events. The one I just heard about is in FL in January. Is this really happening? Just sick.
Thanks for the advice, not really close and not that cheap. Personally I think he is too young. Thanks again.
Who is going to Yale at this age? How is this tournament, first time going.
I just heard a story from someone else about 7th graders being invited to recruiting events. The one I just heard about is in FL in January. Is this really happening? Just sick.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just heard a story from someone else about 7th graders being invited to recruiting events. The one I just heard about is in FL in January. Is this really happening? Just sick.


Three words, total money grab. If you bite, you are crazy
Primetime and LIE North is going and they anticipate being in the Championship game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Primetime and LIE North is going and they anticipate being in the Championship game.

Just looking at that B bracket, there are some pretty good teams there. Outlaws Black, Ambush and of coarse Smash (can't stand that coach, all he does is scream). Good luck you will need it.
Where are you looking at it? I can't seem to find anything on who's going. Zsc
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are you looking at it? I can't seem to find anything on who's going. Zsc

I got an email about a waiver for the tournament. At the bottom of the waiver you pick the team your from so you can submit it. Scrolled through the team names, they have the graduation year.
Hey thought AMBUSH was A bracket? Once you play A you do not drop down to B.. what happened here?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Primetime and LIE North is going and they anticipate being in the Championship game.

Just looking at that B bracket, there are some pretty good teams there. Outlaws Black, Ambush and of coarse Smash (can't stand that coach, all he does is scream). Good luck you will need it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey thought AMBUSH was A bracket? Once you play A you do not drop down to B.. what happened here?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Primetime and LIE North is going and they anticipate being in the Championship game.

Just looking at that B bracket, there are some pretty good teams there. Outlaws Black, Ambush and of coarse Smash (can't stand that coach, all he does is scream). Good luck you will need it.

I think when you go 0-4 in an A bracket in a fall tournament you may dapple in a B bracket.
I think it was wishful thinking on their part.

Ambush coaches and organization already boisted that they are "A" and Orange is "AA" , Ambush played in "A" brackets in a couple of fall tournaments already. dropping down to "B" proves failure!! So losing seems to hurt enough to not challenge their players to get better ! and winning in an easier bracket comes to show its all about that picure fir 91 website. Parents have been bamboozled. .



quote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey thought AMBUSH was A bracket? Once you play A you do not drop down to B.. what happened here?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Primetime and LIE North is going and they anticipate being in the Championship game.

Just looking at that B bracket, there are some pretty good teams there. Outlaws Black, Ambush and of coarse Smash (can't stand that coach, all he does is scream). Good luck you will need it.

I think when you go 0-4 in an A bracket in a fall tournament you may dapple in a B bracket. [/quote]
Does that shock you? The AA team is blowing out everyone by 10-15+ goals a game. (That's all we hear) they can't have Ambush losing every time they go out. So they will resort to what is working with the exceptional AA team. Go out and beat up on weaker competition just to keep the photos coming. At least the team was playing decent A competition at current skill level. Now we go to blowing teams out who can't catch and throw. WHAT A WASTE!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a 2021 and has been invited to Showcase. Is it worth it at this age? Does anyone have experience with Showcases? Thanks in advance.


Not sure they look at them this young. You'd have to see who is going to be there. To be honest, Any private HSs ? if the money is cheap and its close might be a good idea to get some experience at one when there is no pressure. Fight, don't fight, Noodle , don't noodle


I just heard a story from someone else about 7th graders being invited to recruiting events. The one I just heard about is in FL in January. Is this really happening? Just sick.
Thanks for the advice, not really close and not that cheap. Personally I think he is too young. Thanks again.


Figure it out everyone! With all the newer programs with talent, the more well known programs have to do something to control the growing industry. What would you do as a business owner? Answer: Form an alliance with organizations you can kind of trust yet still maintain your reputation. Then each business can control their own sector of the industry.

That alliance is the so called federation that is running this FL tourney. Complete money grab and boys club - especially if your son is not on one of the six teams in the federation. Read further into the federation website and learn what this showcase is about.

They are picking the top 88 players for the age division.
There are 6 teams within the federation.
That leaves 14 players selected from each team with a little wiggle room.

Each of the federation teams will then pick their first line (10), their second middie line (3), and additional LSM (1) or fogo (1). If you think otherwise, wake up.

So if you're going to spend the money to go there, just know beforehand your son won't get chosen. Get comfort that you won't be as disappointed as the family that is already part of a federation team but doesn't make the cut.

Just like the Brine National with two teams who always make the roster, with one or two other team players which satisfy the naysayers.

My son got an invite to this too. Yeah the some coaches within the federation are aware of him but I suspect it's a mailing list for the glue guys, not the divas. The writing is on the wall. Not wasting the money to pad pockets - for a 2021 division the coaches won't even look at.

It's all money and politics from this point forward. We have a AA player, has been for years. We have an A+ student that's going to public school. Unfortunately, we don't have the money to continue paying for this carnival. We know nobody and therefore can't play the politics card as a last ditch effort.

We're out, but at least we're smart enough to figure it out sooner rather than later. Good luck to all.
I don't think that the Ambush coaches and organization said anything. I was NOT happy to see a parent boasting on here. Mt theory is if we are any good people will figure it out on their own. All the fathers that I spoke to deny writing it. Apparently there was some sour grapes from people who's sons who were cut. They say it is one of them stirring the pot.
That being said I think having these boys play in B would be doing them a disservice. It was a very good B team last year. There was an upgrade in talent. It is a BIG jump up to A.It takes time. A lot of boys have missed games due to fall sports. No excuses from me. IF the team learns to play together as a team. They can be COMPETITIVE not dominant in A.
Great job mesa guys on leaving your prior club. Looks like you took a step backwards. You couldn't even generate one goal on us. Karma
Are you talking about the old Sons team?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great job mesa guys on leaving your prior club. Looks like you took a step backwards. You couldn't even generate one goal on us. Karma
Wait, We are talking about a team (Ambush) that from what I understand is full of new players. They moved up to A. OK, It takes time to develop. The A teams that are around are very good. I also understand that YALE is just a festival. No championship format. So as a new team finding their way YALE seems to be a great way to help that process and not go in beating teams up for a championship (or as anonymous people post, a photo for a web site). I try very hard to stay off this site, it"s like a car accident that you don't want to look at but you do. Let the coaches coach and the kids play.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you talking about the old Sons team?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great job mesa guys on leaving your prior club. Looks like you took a step backwards. You couldn't even generate one goal on us. Karma
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you talking about the old Sons team?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great job mesa guys on leaving your prior club. Looks like you took a step backwards. You couldn't even generate one goal on us. Karma


This is probably a parent of one of the many displaced fever kids who got cut when all of the sons kids showed up. Regardless the Sons blew what they had it is a real shame.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you talking about the old Sons team?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great job mesa guys on leaving your prior club. Looks like you took a step backwards. You couldn't even generate one goal on us. Karma
YES!!! stupid asses. Parents suck!! WE had people try that crap up here and it totally backfired.
The problem is every year for the past four years we have heard from parents in person and on BOTC that this team is a A team. The parents are told it is an A team hence year after year the same post and parents talking about how great this team is with the same bad results. Then by December we hear that they need to play together because of the high turnover every year. By spring and summer we won't hear a word. Then next fall many kids will leave and we will hear again they added new players and they are an A team. Then by fall we will hear they have to play together more but will be A. The cycle continues every year. Just say nothing and you won't have to read these negative post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait, We are talking about a team (Ambush) that from what I understand is full of new players. They moved up to A. OK, It takes time to develop. The A teams that are around are very good. I also understand that YALE is just a festival. No championship format. So as a new team finding their way YALE seems to be a great way to help that process and not go in beating teams up for a championship (or as anonymous people post, a photo for a web site). I try very hard to stay off this site, it"s like a car accident that you don't want to look at but you do. Let the coaches coach and the kids play.
Ambush is in the A bracket.
LOL so all the people who have nothing to to with Team Ambush who posted like they know something are all wrong. That in fact Team Ambush is in A. Classic!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


one of the recent posts about this years improvement. Seems pretty happy to be rid of last years roster. I guess its the cream of the B crop. Maybe if they played the game the way it is supposed to be played and left the Hansen brothers from Slapshot at home they would be competitive
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL so all the people who have nothing to to with Team Ambush who posted like they know something are all wrong. That in fact Team Ambush is in A. Classic!!!

I am the one that looked up the teams originally and saw them listed as 21B. I posted that they are a good B team. If they are in the A bracket I apologize for the confusion.
RED BLUE YELLOW GREEN
Baltimore Crabs Edge Lacrosse Madlax - Capital VLC
Red Freedom LC Lax Factory Icon Lacrosse Eclipse 2021
LA Heat 2021/2022 Leading Edge Harvest Lacrosse Academy Legacy Greyhounds


DIVISION ROUND TEAM 2 SCORE TEAM 3 SCORE TIME FIELD
2021 1 Crabs 2021 Red Freedom LC 8:00 AM 1
2021 1 Edge Lacrosse Lax Factory 8:00 AM 2
2021 1 LA Heat 21/22 Leading Edge 8:00 AM 3
2021 1 Madlax - Capital Icon Lacrosse 8:00 AM 4
2021 1 VLC Eclipse 2021 8:00 AM 5
2021 1 Harvest Lacrosse Academy Legacy Greyhounds 8:00 AM 10
2021 2 Crabs 2021 LA Heat 21/22 9:40 AM 2
2021 2 Red Freedom LC Lax Factory 9:40 AM 3
2021 2 Edge Lacrosse Leading Edge 9:40 AM 4
2021 2 Madlax - Capital Harvest Lacrosse Academy 9:40 AM 5
2021 2 VLC Legacy Greyhounds 9:40 AM 6
2021 2 Icon Lacrosse Eclipse 2021 9:40 AM 7
2021 3 Crabs 2021 Edge Lacrosse 11:20 AM 6
2021 3 Red Freedom LC LA Heat 21/22 11:20 AM 5
2021 3 Lax Factory Leading Edge 11:20 AM 4
2021 3 Madlax - Capital VLC 12:10 PM 2
2021 3 Icon Lacrosse Harvest Lacrosse Academy 12:10 PM 3
2021 3 Eclipse 2021 Legacy Greyhounds 12:10 PM 4
2021 Semifinal Red Division Winner Yellow Division Winner 1:50 PM 4
2021 Semifinal Blue Division Winner Green Division Winner 1:50 PM 5
2021 Final Red/Yellow Winner Blue/Green Winner 3:00 PM 4

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


one of the recent posts about this years improvement. Seems pretty happy to be rid of last years roster. I guess its the cream of the B crop. Maybe if they played the game the way it is supposed to be played and left the Hansen brothers from Slapshot at home they would be competitive
Definitely too many penalties that last tournament. A lot of that had to do with ONE referee who got his panties in a bunch. Unfortunately the game has changed and contact is frowned upon now. Have to change to this wimpy version. If you played the game you know that this is not the same game!
I saw two of the games. Penalties came after 91 was getting blown out. Those penalties called would have been penalties in the 80s as well. Heard they called the third game 91 played that day because of dirty play after the score was out of reach. It is a shame because they have two or three players that can make any team in 2021. Don't know if they will stay if the team continues on the path they are currently taking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


one of the recent posts about this years improvement. Seems pretty happy to be rid of last years roster. I guess its the cream of the B crop. Maybe if they played the game the way it is supposed to be played and left the Hansen brothers from Slapshot at home they would be competitive
Definitely too many penalties that last tournament. A lot of that had to do with ONE referee who got his panties in a bunch. Unfortunately the game has changed and contact is frowned upon now. Have to change to this wimpy version. If you played the game you know that this is not the same game!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw two of the games. Penalties came after 91 was getting blown out. Those penalties called would have been penalties in the 80s as well. Heard they called the third game 91 played that day because of dirty play after the score was out of reach. It is a shame because they have two or three players that can make any team in 2021. Don't know if they will stay if the team continues on the path they are currently taking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


one of the recent posts about this years improvement. Seems pretty happy to be rid of last years roster. I guess its the cream of the B crop. Maybe if they played the game the way it is supposed to be played and left the Hansen brothers from Slapshot at home they would be competitive
Definitely too many penalties that last tournament. A lot of that had to do with ONE referee who got his panties in a bunch. Unfortunately the game has changed and contact is frowned upon now. Have to change to this wimpy version. If you played the game you know that this is not the same game!
I saw two games also. In the game against the Outlaws those penalties were the reason for the blowout. Ambush beat that team the week before. I'm not saying that they are better but can compete. I disagree that those penalties would have been called in the 80's especially when it was just one referee calling all of them. Even when the other ref was closer. A few of the Outlaws parents agreed. Listen this is just another team trying to make the jump to A. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. Don't let one disgruntled ex parent who's son got cut stir up nonsense. Let the boys play and improve without the nonsense which they certainly didn't bring on themselves.
Does anyone know anything about Eclipse 2021? We are playing them this weekend in Maryland.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw two of the games. Penalties came after 91 was getting blown out. Those penalties called would have been penalties in the 80s as well. Heard they called the third game 91 played that day because of dirty play after the score was out of reach. It is a shame because they have two or three players that can make any team in 2021. Don't know if they will stay if the team continues on the path they are currently taking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


one of the recent posts about this years improvement. Seems pretty happy to be rid of last years roster. I guess its the cream of the B crop. Maybe if they played the game the way it is supposed to be played and left the Hansen brothers from Slapshot at home they would be competitive
Definitely too many penalties that last tournament. A lot of that had to do with ONE referee who got his panties in a bunch. Unfortunately the game has changed and contact is frowned upon now. Have to change to this wimpy version. If you played the game you know that this is not the same game!
I saw two games also. In the game against the Outlaws those penalties were the reason for the blowout. Ambush beat that team the week before. I'm not saying that they are better but can compete. I disagree that those penalties would have been called in the 80's especially when it was just one referee calling all of them. Even when the other ref was closer. A few of the Outlaws parents agreed. Listen this is just another team trying to make the jump to A. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. Don't let one disgruntled ex parent who's son got cut stir up nonsense. Let the boys play and improve without the nonsense which they certainly didn't bring on themselves.


Get used to the penalties. It's a Berry coached team now.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw two of the games. Penalties came after 91 was getting blown out. Those penalties called would have been penalties in the 80s as well. Heard they called the third game 91 played that day because of dirty play after the score was out of reach. It is a shame because they have two or three players that can make any team in 2021. Don't know if they will stay if the team continues on the path they are currently taking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


one of the recent posts about this years improvement. Seems pretty happy to be rid of last years roster. I guess its the cream of the B crop. Maybe if they played the game the way it is supposed to be played and left the Hansen brothers from Slapshot at home they would be competitive
Definitely too many penalties that last tournament. A lot of that had to do with ONE referee who got his panties in a bunch. Unfortunately the game has changed and contact is frowned upon now. Have to change to this wimpy version. If you played the game you know that this is not the same game!
I saw two games also. In the game against the Outlaws those penalties were the reason for the blowout. Ambush beat that team the week before. I'm not saying that they are better but can compete. I disagree that those penalties would have been called in the 80's especially when it was just one referee calling all of them. Even when the other ref was closer. A few of the Outlaws parents agreed. Listen this is just another team trying to make the jump to A. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. Don't let one disgruntled ex parent who's son got cut stir up nonsense. Let the boys play and improve without the nonsense which they certainly didn't bring on themselves.



This is wrong and not worthy of belief on so many levels. Just have your kid play the tournament this weekend and hope 91 can do well against the B teams they will be playing. Stop saying they can compete in A. They are now playing b teams because they have played 8 games against A and B plus teams and have one win by one goal to show for it. The rest of the games they got blownout. Give it a rest already.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw two of the games. Penalties came after 91 was getting blown out. Those penalties called would have been penalties in the 80s as well. Heard they called the third game 91 played that day because of dirty play after the score was out of reach. It is a shame because they have two or three players that can make any team in 2021. Don't know if they will stay if the team continues on the path they are currently taking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


one of the recent posts about this years improvement. Seems pretty happy to be rid of last years roster. I guess its the cream of the B crop. Maybe if they played the game the way it is supposed to be played and left the Hansen brothers from Slapshot at home they would be competitive
Definitely too many penalties that last tournament. A lot of that had to do with ONE referee who got his panties in a bunch. Unfortunately the game has changed and contact is frowned upon now. Have to change to this wimpy version. If you played the game you know that this is not the same game!
I saw two games also. In the game against the Outlaws those penalties were the reason for the blowout. Ambush beat that team the week before. I'm not saying that they are better but can compete. I disagree that those penalties would have been called in the 80's especially when it was just one referee calling all of them. Even when the other ref was closer. A few of the Outlaws parents agreed. Listen this is just another team trying to make the jump to A. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. Don't let one disgruntled ex parent who's son got cut stir up nonsense. Let the boys play and improve without the nonsense which they certainly didn't bring on themselves.



This is wrong and not worthy of belief on so many levels. Just have your kid play the tournament this weekend and hope 91 can do well against the B teams they will be playing. Stop saying they can compete in A. They are now playing b teams because they have played 8 games against A and B plus teams and have one win by one goal to show for it. The rest of the games they got blownout. Give it a rest already.
Why do you care so much? Sour grapes I guess. By the way they are playing in A. You should hope that they do well. Then your boy would have been cut by an A team.
There are plenty of A Teams that would consider taking those players too.!!!
They are a good team. They played Igloo b team Lin the summer. Big boys on the team
Why is empire black playing in b/c division? I thought they are empires elite team if they even have one . that's what you call playing for a t-shirt.sub par coaching and players on that team.those parents definitely drink alot of kool aid
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is empire black playing in b/c division? I thought they are empires elite team if they even have one . that's what you call playing for a t-shirt.sub par coaching and players on that team.those parents definitely drink alot of kool aid

If they have sub-par coaching and the players are sub-par, how do you get they are the elite team? This team has played in one tournament together. Sounds like you have issues way beyond the lacrosse field, it almost sounds personal. The scary part is you are following a kids team that your child is not on and your lurking around the same field that my child is playing on. If the T-Shirt is all that you want, I will buy one for you. Then go away....
They are the ones playing for a t-shirt.you need to learn how to read.grow some thicker skin then come back to the forum.you seem to get upset very easy.love pushing weak buttons
That team is a D- might even be a F+
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is empire black playing in b/c division? I thought they are empires elite team if they even have one . that's what you call playing for a t-shirt.sub par coaching and players on that team.those parents definitely drink alot of kool aid

If they have sub-par coaching and the players are sub-par, how do you get they are the elite team? This team has played in one tournament together. Sounds like you have issues way beyond the lacrosse field, it almost sounds personal. The scary part is you are following a kids team that your child is not on and your lurking around the same field that my child is playing on. If the T-Shirt is all that you want, I will buy one for you. Then go away....

This team is a D- might even be a F+

Schedule was released tonight and empire black is in B not b/c really get your facts straight and stop worrying about sub-par and worry about living up to what your coach and organization claims , after all you been waisting money for a few years trying to get it right !


quote=Anonymous]Why is empire black playing in b/c division? I thought they are empires elite team if they even have one . that's what you call playing for a t-shirt.sub par coaching and players on that team.those parents definitely drink alot of kool aid [/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedule was released tonight and empire black is in B not b/c really get your facts straight and stop worrying about sub-par and worry about living up to what your coach and organization claims , after all you been waisting money for a few years trying to get it right !


quote=Anonymous]Why is empire black playing in b/c division? I thought they are empires elite team if they even have one . that's what you call playing for a t-shirt.sub par coaching and players on that team.those parents definitely drink alot of kool aid

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH SMALL BRAIN MAN
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That Empire Team is a joke

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedule was released tonight and empire black is in B not b/c really get your facts straight and stop worrying about sub-par and worry about living up to what your coach and organization claims , after all you been waisting money for a few years trying to get it right !


quote=Anonymous]Why is empire black playing in b/c division? I thought they are empires elite team if they even have one . that's what you call playing for a t-shirt.sub par coaching and players on that team.those parents definitely drink alot of kool aid

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH SMALL BRAIN MAN
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Keep taking the bait.you sound like a bitter parent and your kid got cut from one of the more reputable organizations.
Empire Black is like playing a lacrosse team from Alaska
Hey, I think the Empire Black have good Coaches, One left 91 to go to empire black and the other was asked to leave ever organization that he has been a part of. "And you pay for that"
Which teams are the best and how do you define your team?
When a parent claims a team is an "A" team and is given several great points on why the team is not "A" and then we get the come back your kid got cut that's why you are disagreeing it means you lost the argument. It is doubtful that anyone got cut from 91 who is posting here. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. The team has a couple of very talented players and that is it. You better try and keep those few players happy and build around them in the next few years. Good luck.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When a parent claims a team is an "A" team and is given several great points on why the team is not "A" and then we get the come back your kid got cut that's why you are disagreeing it means you lost the argument. It is doubtful that anyone got cut from 91 who is posting here. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. The team has a couple of very talented players and that is it. You better try and keep those few players happy and build around them in the next few years. Good luck.
I would say that if it was a current parent who stated that (boasted). He got checked real hard by the reality that he was wrong. That should be sufficient for MOST reasonable people. Some people revel in others failure. Me wonders why?
Good deflection
Yea very obvious on the guy who seems to drag others into his misery.



quote=Anonymous]Good deflection [/quote]
Ambush is playing 3 strong B teams at Yale, but they think they are A teams.
Primetime, express north & necks (fighting clams). Unfortunately Yale does not have any A teams competing in the 2021 bracket. If Ambush loses to any of these 3 teams we will know where they stand.
Where is that schedule?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush is playing 3 strong B teams at Yale, but they think they are A teams.
Primetime, express north & necks (fighting clams). Unfortunately Yale does not have any A teams competing in the 2021 bracket. If Ambush loses to any of these 3 teams we will know where they stand.



Enough about this team. There are 50 other 2021 teams on LI.
Bulldog fall classic. Yale lacrosse website
Yeah but if your not one of the big four or a 91 & Express team. No one other than a parent cares, because they all are B or lower teams.
Yes and you are a looser, who hides behind a computer and even better does it ANONYMOUS. Where did you go so wrong in life that as an ADULT you feel satisfaction from doing this. 91, Ambush, Empire, Express, Outlaws who cares. They are all teams that are trying to play the sport and have fun. I am sure you would not even let your kid on this site. Why? cause the message that is sent is wrong. If they win great. If they don't (which is what you want, which is sick in many ways) they will try and continue to get better. WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH THAT!!!!! These teams did not start up ISIS, they did not fly into the world trade center, they are young men playing a sport that YOU, yes YOU are turning into a 3rd grade recess fight. Enough is enough.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes and you are a looser, who hides behind a computer and even better does it ANONYMOUS. Where did you go so wrong in life that as an ADULT you feel satisfaction from doing this. 91, Ambush, Empire, Express, Outlaws who cares. They are all teams that are trying to play the sport and have fun. I am sure you would not even let your kid on this site. Why? cause the message that is sent is wrong. If they win great. If they don't (which is what you want, which is sick in many ways) they will try and continue to get better. WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH THAT!!!!! These teams did not start up ISIS, they did not fly into the world trade center, they are young men playing a sport that YOU, yes YOU are turning into a 3rd grade recess fight. Enough is enough.

OH MY GOD, YOU MAKE SENSE! There is no room for your kind here. Take that crazy talk to another site. Imagine a site that actually offered good information and maybe a positive message. I would never allow my kid on this site, too many narcissistic parents here.
3d NE 2021
2 Way Select 2021
Predators 2021
NH Tomahawks 2021 Purple
Necks 2021 Orange
Primetime 2021
Team 91 Ambush
LI Express North 2021
3d NE South 2021
CT Bulldogs 2021
LI Outlaws Black 2021
LI Empire 2021

Where is Black Ice, LIE Channy, Icon, 91 Orange, Eclipse or Laxachusettes. Without those six programs this tournament is a B level tournament and anyone has a chance of winning the 2021 bracket. My money is on Outlaws Black. Go Outlaws make Long Island proud.
Good luck with that prediction.
Who is better in that group?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d NE 2021
2 Way Select 2021
Predators 2021
NH Tomahawks 2021 Purple
Necks 2021 Orange
Primetime 2021
Team 91 Ambush
LI Express North 2021
3d NE South 2021
CT Bulldogs 2021
LI Outlaws Black 2021
LI Empire 2021

Where is Black Ice, LIE Channy, Icon, 91 Orange, Eclipse or Laxachusettes. Without those six programs this tournament is a B level tournament and anyone has a chance of winning the 2021 bracket. My money is on Outlaws Black. Go Outlaws make Long Island proud.


Igloo and Express Channy are not playing this weekend. Icon and Eclipse are playing in Md. 91 Orange and Outlaws A are playing at Lehigh.
Express couldn't get the icon players this weekend. So they decided to sit out this weekend. Lmao
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express couldn't get the icon players this weekend. So they decided to sit out this weekend. Lmao


That is funny. Unfortunately it might be true. Sad
I think Outlaws Black is now the second Outlaws team and the first team is now called Select. This looks like a good lineup of teams and are not B teams. They are mostly A teams but not AA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d NE 2021
2 Way Select 2021
Predators 2021
NH Tomahawks 2021 Purple
Necks 2021 Orange
Primetime 2021
Team 91 Ambush
LI Express North 2021
3d NE South 2021
CT Bulldogs 2021
LI Outlaws Black 2021
LI Empire 2021

Where is Black Ice, LIE Channy, Icon, 91 Orange, Eclipse or Laxachusettes. Without those six programs this tournament is a B level tournament and anyone has a chance of winning the 2021 bracket. My money is on Outlaws Black. Go Outlaws make Long Island proud.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah but if your not one of the big four or a 91 & Express team. No one other than a parent cares, because they all are B or lower teams.

Yes but isn't that what this entire site is about? Parents, there are no college coaches trolling this site.
So your saying the Icon transfer is still on Icon but played for a rival team for a few tournaments. Very strange.
Hard to understand why a roster of 30 kids needs more players who play for free and are on the field most of the game. I feel for parents of kids who are now sitting on the bench. They are stuck. Can't complain or else they will be moved to b team. The only option is to say nothing and move on next year. What a waste during a key development year for these kids. Probably better off to loose the money and go elsewhere or catch on to a second team and play for both.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So your saying the Icon transfer is still on Icon but played for a rival team for a few tournaments. Very strange.
I feel bad for the kids that their parents are idiots, MC been doing this for years, some of the parents still fall for the pitch line its all about practice time, FYI, my older guy never played on A team, and is going D1. Parents its no fun looking over your shoulder every practice to see what new kid is getting out of is car.Or driving 4 hours spending money on hotel, do watch a guess player play over your kid.Move on, have fun, enjoy the game of lacrosse.
Spot on with that post. Make sure your son plays and has fun everything else will work itself out especially if your kid has good grades.

Finally someone Anonymous post a true statement . Parents are more so caught up on having their child play on a hyped up "A" team so they themselves can feel self gratification of being on the best team. The fact of the matter is most kids couldn't hold up on an A team level but do so as part of filling a roster for the sake of those who are capable . You are doing a diservace to your child's devolpment by being practice meat ! It's not worth while for your glorious moment of bragging rights at your next Christmas party.
Think about it !!


Originally Posted by Anonymous
I feel bad for the kids that their parents are idiots, MC been doing this for years, some of the parents still fall for the pitch line its all about practice time, FYI, my older guy never played on A team, and is going D1. Parents its no fun looking over your shoulder every practice to see what new kid is getting out of is car.Or driving 4 hours spending money on hotel, do watch a guess player play over your kid.Move on, have fun, enjoy the game of lacrosse.
Many AA teams have a top half of talented kids who play 90% of all close games. The bottom half sit for mostof those games. I must admit that I always thought I wanted my son on one of those teams. Matter of fact he was, but after a few tourneys I saw the reality. My kid is good but he wasn't in the top half. I swallowed my pride and he is
now on a different team that has gotten beaten by his old team soundly. But he is playing, building confidence, making good friends, and the coaches are great. They practice a lot and learn alot. Will they be able to beat his old team? Probably not, but they will sure try. It doesn't matter if they win just as long as they are learning and growing. The right fit is often hard to find for your kid. The right coach and similar talent is important. He's also played on teams where he was the best kid and that also wasn't a great experience as they weren't competitjve.
There are plenty of teams for everyone and not everyone should play on a AA team just so roster spots can be filled
And by the way, for those parents on the express team whose kids are sitting, is it really worth it? I know its a great feeling to win championships, but if u are like me u are there to see your own kid play not just the other kids. And if your kid isn't playing and he's practicing and not missing then u need to reevaluate as he won't be happy for long.
I agree 100%. To be on a team just so you can say that you are on a AA team is counter productive. Unless you are the top echelon. I would rather my son play! Regardless of the perceived benefits of playing for such a prestigious team. I don't want to spend a lot of time and money watching other people's kids play. Many kids playing for regular A or the better B teams are getting playing experience in real games and therefore learning to handle pressures that they won't get on the bench on the elite team. In the long run they will probably be better than a kid with the same talent level who is watching the studs play all the meaningful minutes.
Not that I disagree with those points, but however, if your is on a strong team than there must be a lot of one sided games your kid could play in. 2021 Channy plays everyone and when it's gets close in score he plays the studs until he gets a comfortable lead. That team normally doesn't blow teams away just wins by 4 or 5 goals. My son's team played them and it was very obvious when the starters were in compared to the second string.
I am not promoting Channy but do understand his mentality. These players came to Channy because he has a product that produces.
Their schedule has been posted and they never had a tournament this weekend. The next and last for fall is the Express tournament MAYFLOWER Madness.
Yikes Last year Black was the #1 team
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Many AA teams have a top half of talented kids who play 90% of all close games. The bottom half sit for mostof those games. I must admit that I always thought I wanted my son on one of those teams. Matter of fact he was, but after a few tourneys I saw the reality. My kid is good but he wasn't in the top half. I swallowed my pride and he is
now on a different team that has gotten beaten by his old team soundly. But he is playing, building confidence, making good friends, and the coaches are great. They practice a lot and learn alot. Will they be able to beat his old team? Probably not, but they will sure try. It doesn't matter if they win just as long as they are learning and growing. The right fit is often hard to find for your kid. The right coach and similar talent is important. He's also played on teams where he was the best kid and that also wasn't a great experience as they weren't competitjve.
There are plenty of teams for everyone and not everyone should play on a AA team just so roster spots can be filled
And by the way, for those parents on the express team whose kids are sitting, is it really worth it? I know its a great feeling to win championships, but if u are like me u are there to see your own kid play not just the other kids. And if your kid isn't playing and he's practicing and not missing then u need to reevaluate as he won't be happy for long.

Well said, I have a very similar story. My son did well on the A team he was on. Although it is fall ball I can see he is thriving on this B team. I struggled in the beginning, thinking he would not get the training. Fortunately I was wrong. He is truly happy and that is all I can ask for.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not that I disagree with those points, but however, if your is on a strong team than there must be a lot of one sided games your kid could play in. 2021 Channy plays everyone and when it's gets close in score he plays the studs until he gets a comfortable lead. That team normally doesn't blow teams away just wins by 4 or 5 goals. My son's team played them and it was very obvious when the starters were in compared to the second string.
I am not promoting Channy but do understand his mentality. These players came to Channy because he has a product that produces.
No doubt that he would play in the lopsided games where nothing is on the line. I want meaningful minutes where he and his teammates have to dig deeper in order to win. I am not knocking anyone for doing what they think is right for their son. Just one guys opinion.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Their schedule has been posted and they never had a tournament this weekend. The next and last for fall is the Express tournament MAYFLOWER Madness.


OHHHH.......so that makes it OK for their best player to play for ICON this weekend? Good Luck in the spring and summer!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not that I disagree with those points, but however, if your is on a strong team than there must be a lot of one sided games your kid could play in. 2021 Channy plays everyone and when it's gets close in score he plays the studs until he gets a comfortable lead. That team normally doesn't blow teams away just wins by 4 or 5 goals. My son's team played them and it was very obvious when the starters were in compared to the second string.
I am not promoting Channy but do understand his mentality. These players came to Channy because he has a product that produces.
If you have 30 kids how much playing time is there ? Its simple math
Even in blowouts the Express kids sit on the bench. Don't be fooled. They are great at recruitment I will give them that but at this age kids need to play to develop and if a kid is on the bench they won't be seen. Should be obvious but people believe what they want to believe. That scholarship for all magnet is very strong for a weak minded parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not that I disagree with those points, but however, if your is on a strong team than there must be a lot of one sided games your kid could play in. 2021 Channy plays everyone and when it's gets close in score he plays the studs until he gets a comfortable lead. That team normally doesn't blow teams away just wins by 4 or 5 goals. My son's team played them and it was very obvious when the starters were in compared to the second string.
I am not promoting Channy but do understand his mentality. These players came to Channy because he has a product that produces.
No doubt that he would play in the lopsided games where nothing is on the line. I want meaningful minutes where he and his teammates have to dig deeper in order to win. I am not knocking anyone for doing what they think is right for their son. Just one guys opinion.
So how did all the 2021 teams do at Yale today ? Mustang ? Lehigh ?
Below is a bunch scores noted from the board at Yale:

2021s:
2way beat 3D NE 4-0
PT beat TG Necks 12-1
PT beat Express N 11-1
2way tie Preds 1-1
PT beat 91 Ambush 6-3
Express N beat TG Necks 6-3
91 Ambush beat Express N 6-3
Express N beat TG necks 6-3

What happened to Express North? Did the big older kids not play today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Below is a bunch scores noted from the board at Yale:

2021s:
2way beat 3D NE 4-0
PT beat TG Necks 12-1
PT beat Express N 11-1
2way tie Preds 1-1
PT beat 91 Ambush 6-3
Express N beat TG Necks 6-3
91 Ambush beat Express N 6-3
Express N beat TG necks 6-3

[quote=Anonymous]What happened to Express North? Did the big older kids not play today?

[quote=Anonymous]Below is a bunch scores noted from the board at Yale:

2021s:
2way beat 3D NE 4-0
PT beat TG Necks 12-1
PT beat Express N 11-1
2way tie Preds 1-1
PT beat 91 Ambush 6-3
Express N beat TG Necks 6-3
91 Ambush beat Express N 6-3
Express N beat TG necks

The PT kids were as big as the coaches, who is fielding older kids?
Did one of the PT parents really say one of the kids flew in from Florida?
The PT kids were no bigger than the other teams. Actually the 91 Ambush kids and 2way kids were bigger. And please, the idea of Florida kids coming in for PT, LOL, absolutely no.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The PT kids were no bigger than the other teams. Actually the 91 Ambush kids and 2way kids were bigger. And please, the idea of Florida kids coming in for PT, LOL, absolutely no.


Primetime had the biggest kids (read oldest) on the field today at Yale for 2021 division. The kid coming in from Florida sounds far fetched but that was the rumor today. I think he tried out for our team. If true, this sport has taken another step towards insanity.
How did Outlaws do?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The PT kids were no bigger than the other teams. Actually the 91 Ambush kids and 2way kids were bigger. And please, the idea of Florida kids coming in for PT, LOL, absolutely no.


Primetime had the biggest kids (read oldest) on the field today at Yale for 2021 division. The kid coming in from Florida sounds far fetched but that was the rumor today. I think he tried out for our team. If true, this sport has taken another step towards insanity.
I would have to agree on PT being the biggest by far. They were a good team with tall athletic middies. 2 Way had a couple of big kids too. I think the 91 team was on the smaller side. Their attack is tiny with the exception of one kid. Middies are average sized and so is the defense except for one kid.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The PT kids were no bigger than the other teams. Actually the 91 Ambush kids and 2way kids were bigger. And please, the idea of Florida kids coming in for PT, LOL, absolutely no.


Primetime had the biggest kids (read oldest) on the field today at Yale for 2021 division. The kid coming in from Florida sounds far fetched but that was the rumor today. I think he tried out for our team. If true, this sport has taken another step towards insanity.


Looneys 2020 has at least 1 (I believe it is 2 now) players that fly in from FL for them. I still can't believe it. People are nuts

Looks like that prediction should have started bottom up..



quote=Anonymous]3d NE 2021
2 Way Select 2021
Predators 2021
NH Tomahawks 2021 Purple
Necks 2021 Orange
Primetime 2021
Team 91 Ambush
LI Express North 2021
3d NE South 2021
CT Bulldogs 2021
LI Outlaws Black 2021
LI Empire 2021

Where is Black Ice, LIE Channy, Icon, 91 Orange, Eclipse or Laxachusettes. Without those six programs this tournament is a B level tournament and anyone has a chance of winning the 2021 bracket. My money is on Outlaws Black. Go Outlaws make Long Island proud.
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Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The PT kids were no bigger than the other teams. Actually the 91 Ambush kids and 2way kids were bigger. And please, the idea of Florida kids coming in for PT, LOL, absolutely no.


Primetime had the biggest kids (read oldest) on the field today at Yale for 2021 division. The kid coming in from Florida sounds far fetched but that was the rumor today. I think he tried out for our team. If true, this sport has taken another step towards insanity.



The kid from FL is a fact. He has played on PT for a number of years. Big and talented. I don't doubt some of those kids are in 7th, I do doubt that they are 12/13. Height is one thing, filled out with height is another.
Looks like 91 Ambush is finding there way. They beat LIE North 7-3, Beat Necks Orange 6-3, & gave PT there only tuff game of the day with a 6-4 loss.
How did Empire Black do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Made it all the way to 1st place championship and tied . No Braveheart.




quote=Anonymous]How did Empire Black do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
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I happened to keep an eye on their games. Hate to say it but if they keep this up, all winter and have a solid spring, this will be a powerful team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like 91 Ambush is finding there way. They beat LIE North 7-3, Beat Necks Orange 6-3, & gave PT there only tuff game of the day with a 6-4 loss.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like 91 Ambush is finding there way. They beat LIE North 7-3, Beat Necks Orange 6-3, & gave PT there only tuff game of the day with a 6-4 loss.
Yeah. and the week before this they lost every game. Stop. If they played their A team theyd lose 20 to 0
Ok so you must of been one of the parents who's kid got cut. Ok move forward and get over it. You are correct they lost every game in a torn. (it was actually two weeks ago)
So what does a team do. They regroup, fix issues, practice, and try again. (You seem like a person who lays down a dies, and blames everyone else but yourself. It's very clear based on your comment)
They went up to YALE and had a successful day. What is wrong with that? Oh wait, you probably never played sports also. Yet you have a crystal ball to predict the future of a 20-0 score. If that is true and you do have a crystal ball can you come out from behind your computer and give me the this weeks Lotto numbers.
Thanks
I am not the person who wrote the post. Negative comments against 91 does not come from being cut. Sitting on the sidelines and listening to the parents is awful. Then reading these threads. This is every year not just 2021. And before you make any assumptions my kids never tried out for any 91 team and have never lost to any 91 team accept 2021 Heat in a close game. As for Ambush they have some talent. If they can stay together they have potential to be an A or even AA. They are not there yet. The teams they beat yesterday are not A. Just keep practicing and make it fun for the kids. People will notice when they become an A team. You don't have to say it here or on the sidelines. Good luck this year. Have fun and don't worry so much of about A or B. thid travel lax goes fast and you won't enjoy it you are always arguing about how good the team is.
Agree 100% my comment was in response to this one
"Yeah. and the week before this they lost every game. Stop. If they played their A team theyd lose 20 to 0"
Ur comment is accurate.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so you must of been one of the parents who's kid got cut. Ok move forward and get over it. You are correct they lost every game in a torn. (it was actually two weeks ago)
So what does a team do. They regroup, fix issues, practice, and try again. (You seem like a person who lays down a dies, and blames everyone else but yourself. It's very clear based on your comment)
They went up to YALE and had a successful day. What is wrong with that? Oh wait, you probably never played sports also. Yet you have a crystal ball to predict the future of a 20-0 score. If that is true and you do have a crystal ball can you come out from behind your computer and give me the this weeks Lotto numbers.
Thanks
Son never played for 91 although was offered a spot on the white team a few years back. I read the 2021 thread because that's my sons age. WHat is the need I wonder for pareents to com eon this thread and write that 91 B team is better then their A team ? [lacrosse] silly is it that fater a week of going 0-3 you hear nothing, then a week or so later when you have a decent day against B plus teams the need to come on here and post {its all coming together, see, we are sooooo great" Stop, you have a bunch a good players who will probably all be starters on their HS teams in the future but you are not an elite team. What is the need to subject those who read this thread to idiotic postings of greatness that everybody except those who have a kid on the team and are delusional know to be false? And of course if anybody point this out, they must have been cut from the team and filled with envy, not somebody that merely rolls their eyes and points out the obvious. God < or members a few years ago the Express B team telling everybody they where better then the A team , or the Outlaws top team proclamation every year that there was as good as 91, Igloo , Icon and Express. What is teh need to do this ? Just play lacrosse, some updates on close games and good play is nice,
Empire black played in the championship?
smile


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Empire black played in the championship?
icon just beat crabs and eclipse to win
Originally Posted by Anonymous
icon just beat crabs and eclipse to win



That's bad news for Express.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Empire black played in the championship?

Yes, they tied 4-4. Empire was in control early and looked like they were going to run away with it. Second half Bronxville got a second wind and tied it up just before the end of the game. Good game to watch.
This is why you can't believe most things you read on here. A previous post said they played in a championship at Yale.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That Empire Team is a joke

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedule was released tonight and empire black is in B not b/c really get your facts straight and stop worrying about sub-par and worry about living up to what your coach and organization claims , after all you been waisting money for a few years trying to get it right !


quote=Anonymous]Why is empire black playing in b/c division? I thought they are empires elite team if they even have one . that's what you call playing for a t-shirt.sub par coaching and players on that team.those parents definitely drink alot of kool aid

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH SMALL BRAIN MAN
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What tourney and scores?
Saw the score box at booth they actually did play in yale championship . They bumped out outlaws black for first place on goals against . They played Bronxville 7/8th grade team and it was tied . Don't know the reason why it did not have a Braveheart being it was a championship but kudos to empire.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is why you can't believe most things you read on here. A previous post said they played in a championship at Yale.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That Empire Team is a joke

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedule was released tonight and empire black is in B not b/c really get your facts straight and stop worrying about sub-par and worry about living up to what your coach and organization claims , after all you been waisting money for a few years trying to get it right !


quote=Anonymous]Why is empire black playing in b/c division? I thought they are empires elite team if they even have one . that's what you call playing for a t-shirt.sub par coaching and players on that team.those parents definitely drink alot of kool aid

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH SMALL BRAIN MAN
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The PT kids were no bigger than the other teams. Actually the 91 Ambush kids and 2way kids were bigger. And please, the idea of Florida kids coming in for PT, LOL, absolutely no.


Primetime had the biggest kids (read oldest) on the field today at Yale for 2021 division. The kid coming in from Florida sounds far fetched but that was the rumor today. I think he tried out for our team. If true, this sport has taken another step towards insanity.



The kid from FL is a fact. He has played on PT for a number of years. Big and talented. I don't doubt some of those kids are in 7th, I do doubt that they are 12/13. Height is one thing, filled out with height is another.


Prime time 2021 plays a kid who lives in Florida and flies in for tournaments? As a parent I would not be happy if my son lost playing time to a ringer who just shows up for tournaments.
Florida kid is true, but he is originally from the Hudson Valley area and played with us last season and no one complained. Unbelievable when we lost to Express & Avalanche last season no complaints. Give PT credit they worked hard and got better talent and now are the beast of Westchester/Connecticut. Good for them
what tournament? Scores?
Eclipse 2021 is a strong team. Lost to icon today 5-4 in the championship round at a Maryland tournament. These two teams had beaten the crabs and edge in the playoffs to get to the finals. Eclipse had also beaten icon earlier in the day. Primetime and eclipse will definitely challenge Long Island for spots at the World Series tournament.

DIVISION ROUND TEAM 2 SCORE TEAM 3 SCORE TIME FIELD
2021 1 Crabs 2021 11 Red Freedom LC 1 8:00 AM 1
2021 1 Edge Lacrosse 11 Lax Factory 3 8:00 AM 2
2021 1 LA Heat 21/22 1 Leading Edge 8 8:00 AM 3
2021 1 Madlax - Capital 1 Icon Lacrosse 8 8:00 AM 4
2021 1 VLC 1 Eclipse 2021 8 8:00 AM 5
2021 1 Harvest Lacrosse Academy 7 Legacy Greyhounds 8 8:00
2021 2 Crabs 2021 14 LA Heat 21/22 0 9:40 AM 2
2021 2 Red Freedom LC 6 Lax Factory 4 9:40 AM 3
2021 2 Edge Lacrosse 6 Leading Edge 4 9:40 AM 4
2021 2 Madlax - Capital 7 Harvest Lacrosse Academy 4 9:40 AM
2021 2 VLC 2 Legacy Greyhounds 3 9:40 AM 6
2021 2 Icon Lacrosse 4 Eclipse 2021 7 9:40 AM 7
2021 3 Crabs 2021 7 Edge Lacrosse 3 11:20 AM 6
2021 3 Red Freedom LC 11 LA Heat 21/22 3 11:20 AM 5
2021 3 Lax Factory 3 Leading Edge 9 11:20 AM 4
2021 3 Madlax - Capital 5 VLC 3 12:10 PM 2
2021 3 Icon Lacrosse 9 Harvest Lacrosse Academy 4 12:10 PM 3
2021 3 Eclipse 2021 15 Legacy Greyhounds 1 12:10 PM 4
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Prime time will have to compete for Wsyl spot without the kid from Florida. 99 mile limit imposed.
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I saw two of the games. Penalties came after 91 was getting blown out. Those penalties called would have been penalties in the 80s as well. Heard they called the third game 91 played that day because of dirty play after the score was out of reach. It is a shame because they have two or three players that can make any team in 2021. Don't know if they will stay if the team continues on the path they are currently taking.

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Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


one of the recent posts about this years improvement. Seems pretty happy to be rid of last years roster. I guess its the cream of the B crop. Maybe if they played the game the way it is supposed to be played and left the Hansen brothers from Slapshot at home they would be competitive
Definitely too many penalties that last tournament. A lot of that had to do with ONE referee who got his panties in a bunch. Unfortunately the game has changed and contact is frowned upon now. Have to change to this wimpy version. If you played the game you know that this is not the same game!
I saw two games also. In the game against the Outlaws those penalties were the reason for the blowout. Ambush beat that team the week before. I'm not saying that they are better but can compete. I disagree that those penalties would have been called in the 80's especially when it was just one referee calling all of them. Even when the other ref was closer. A few of the Outlaws parents agreed. Listen this is just another team trying to make the jump to A. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. Don't let one disgruntled ex parent who's son got cut stir up nonsense. Let the boys play and improve without the nonsense which they certainly didn't bring on themselves.



This is wrong and not worthy of belief on so many levels. Just have your kid play the tournament this weekend and hope 91 can do well against the B teams they will be playing. Stop saying they can compete in A. They are now playing b teams because they have played 8 games against A and B plus teams and have one win by one goal to show for it. The rest of the games they got blownout. Give it a rest already.
Excuse me, but pay attention. They played in A, beat Express North, and gave Primetime the only competition for the day. They are gelling, and will only get better. Know what you're talking about.
What do folks think of the apparent trend of 2020 teams (not just Crush this past Summer) playing up to 2019 for recruiting events this Fall?

Is this a meaningless blip or are we seeing the first signs of recruiting moving even 6-12 months earlier?
A meaningless blip on a 2021 page
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The PT kids were no bigger than the other teams. Actually the 91 Ambush kids and 2way kids were bigger. And please, the idea of Florida kids coming in for PT, LOL, absolutely no.


Primetime had the biggest kids (read oldest) on the field today at Yale for 2021 division. The kid coming in from Florida sounds far fetched but that was the rumor today. I think he tried out for our team. If true, this sport has taken another step towards insanity.


If Prime Time has older kids on their team, how are they permitted to play in the 2021 division?
Have a son who plays on the Legacy team which is not very strong but he enjoys the experience. Does not have the ability to play on the higher teams and I am very happy watching him enjoy the game a being part of a team meeting new kids etc. With that being said I had a friend who has a son play on the Eclipse team ( which blew us out) so I stayed to watch the two semi final and final games in MD. The three teams Eclipse, Icon and Crabs are top teams ( Edge team not at their level). The few things I took from this were, What are they feeding the kids in MD, the size of these 12 year old 7th graders was amazing as well as a number of the kids from Conn. I was kidding with my friend and really did get a answer as to the age and grade of a few of them. The Icon team looked like true 7th graders but played like older kids. Was told Eclipse beat them in them first by winning a number of F/O but that was not the case in finals, two good teams and Icon pulled it out in the end on a goal in the last second, very exciting I'm sure for those kids. They were the best lacrosse players, Crabs were just bigger at this point, never saw so many hairy leg 7th graders before on one team, I think my son's team has 1 or maybe 2. One of the best things I heard before the final game was the coaching from Icon telling the kids that they don't care if they win the game but to play hard as they thought they did not first time they play the Conn team
get better and enjoy the game. They moved the ball better than every team there and it was fun to watch, got home just in time to watch the Giants blew it. Congrats to both the Icon team and Eclipse team, no dirty play during the game, no bad mouthing in the stands and refs let them play and a great end of the game.
Crabs were bigger because they are absolutely older. Wont be same roster for WSYL events - assuming Crabs engage - likely will - since they reached finals with 2020 group. The entire roster is 2021 - no doubt - just a question of age. In a Grade Based Event - no rules being violated, but there are some 2001 birth dates on that squad.
So we are clear there are 14 03s on the edge team. That is a 2022 team I think.
Crabs 2021 absolutely has older kids on that team. Verified by a team parent on sideline. Said they have 5 or 6 older kids 2 of which are closer to to 15 than 14. Said they don't think they are even attempting WSYL because they'll not have the players to compete.
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Crabs 2021 absolutely has older kids on that team. Verified by a team parent on sideline. Said they have 5 or 6 older kids 2 of which are closer to to 15 than 14. Said they don't think they are even attempting WSYL because they'll not have the players to compete.


14-15 year olds competing with 12 year olds. Somehow those parents and coaches think that's ok?
Still can't win their own tournament with the older kids.
We can all go crazy arguing about the age of the kids. I'm not stating that PT had kids that weren't in 7th grade. what I'm suggesting is that for one reason or another some of their 7th graders may be closer to 13/14 rather than 12/13. Could be anything from an intentional holdback heading into kindergarten, holdback in 7th grade because of private school, holdback because their dumb. Who knows why but the fact is that if you've watched enough lacrosse (and most here have) you know what a "real" 7th grader looks like when they play. And for the kids that are clearly older it is glaring. It's not just that they are taller but that their entire body mechanics have shifted from that of little athletic boys to that of physically maturing young men. And if you happen to catch a glimpse of them with their helmets off you can just see that they are older especially when compared to their teammates that are "real" 7th graders. But unless lax goes age based that's just the way it goes and it's probably most difficult for 7th and 8th graders because that for many is a clear pre/post puberty age. You can have a highly talented 12 year old but put that kid against a highly talented 14 year old and it's game over. Everyone should stop complaining and live with it. If your son is good at 12 but not yet developed he'll be good at 14 when he puts on some bulk. The fact that his age will prevent him from playing on some AA team? Who cares. If he's good, they will find him.
Because they are in 7th grade. Duh
I spoke to an Edge dad and he said in Canada it is age only not grade. edge is a good team but not a top ten. Crabs were big but played soft the total opposite of Icon. That is the biggest reason Icon won they out worked Crabs and Eclipse.
I'm sure most Long Island Parents would rather play these teams from other states with the older kids to have competitive games. However it is frustrating when they pound their chest with a one goal win and deny what everyone knows. The truth is they need to send their 14 year olds to play against Long Island teams to compete.

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We can all go crazy arguing about the age of the kids. I'm not stating that PT had kids that weren't in 7th grade. what I'm suggesting is that for one reason or another some of their 7th graders may be closer to 13/14 rather than 12/13. Could be anything from an intentional holdback heading into kindergarten, holdback in 7th grade because of private school, holdback because their dumb. Who knows why but the fact is that if you've watched enough lacrosse (and most here have) you know what a "real" 7th grader looks like when they play. And for the kids that are clearly older it is glaring. It's not just that they are taller but that their entire body mechanics have shifted from that of little athletic boys to that of physically maturing young men. And if you happen to catch a glimpse of them with their helmets off you can just see that they are older especially when compared to their teammates that are "real" 7th graders. But unless lax goes age based that's just the way it goes and it's probably most difficult for 7th and 8th graders because that for many is a clear pre/post puberty age. You can have a highly talented 12 year old but put that kid against a highly talented 14 year old and it's game over. Everyone should stop complaining and live with it. If your son is good at 12 but not yet developed he'll be good at 14 when he puts on some bulk. The fact that his age will prevent him from playing on some AA team? Who cares. If he's good, they will find him.
icon is making a statement that they are one of the best if not the best on LI
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So we are clear there are 14 03s on the edge team. That is a 2022 team I think.


No, that's the birth year for True 2021's on Long Island.
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icon is making a statement that they are one of the best if not the best on LI



Has Icon ever beaten Igloo or 91 for that matter?
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icon is making a statement that they are one of the best if not the best on LI

I heard they only have 20 practices all year.
They beat everyone this past weekend at their first tournament with few practices. These other teams have been playing all fall. Imagine if this icon team played as much of the others. Any time a team shows they are getting better and could challenge express, igloo or 91 someone has to put them down.

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icon is making a statement that they are one of the best if not the best on LI

I heard they only have 20 practices all year.
Icon wins a tournament with only a few practices. The next Crush!!!
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Icon wins a tournament with only a few practices. The next Crush!!!


Nope, Crush practices a lot! No team out works them!
To Each, his Own.
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I spoke to an Edge dad and he said in Canada it is age only not grade. edge is a good team but not a top ten. Crabs were big but played soft the total opposite of Icon. That is the biggest reason Icon won they out worked Crabs and Eclipse.


The Edge program registers all of their teams down a year, its the program policy. They claim all of the players will be doing a PG year. Its a BS policy but again, its up to tournament directors to accept the teams registration.
They also lost to Eclipse 7-4. Icon is a very strong team but in regards to a tournament like WSYL size would be a big disadvantage over a 5-6 game span. Icon is definitely a very strong team but there were rumblings that 91 picked up many new strong players and is the equal to Black Ice.
DeTomasso is never out coached. Let's be honest in youth sports Coaching plays a huge part of it. Icon will always play hard and be in games to the end.
Icon started off slow on the game they lost, they started coming back but there wasnt enough time on the clock. I think the key point on this is that they fought hard to the very end when the game counted and won it with 5 seconds left. Also keep in mind, that was their 5th game of the day, last two games against kids much larger than them in size. It appears they can hang playing 5-6 games in a row, against kids larger in size and will fight until the end of the games. They have added some new and returning kids to their roster this year, will be a strong team.
I've seen a number of the better teams play now after being in Md this weekend. Igloo is the best team, Crabs are very good, Eclipse was better than I thought, have not really seen 91 this year and last year thought they were a little overrated, Express hard to tell as they bring in kids from other teams and places so really don't know who is on that team, Icon pretty much has the same main kids who are just flat out good lacrosse players. Icon I never hear of them trying to recruit kids, take kids from other teams, take year older kids who may be in the grade higher, just see them as a much classer team and when I saw the two coach's on their sidelines I see why, they just would not do those things. Just coach and teach the kids the right way to do things. When I saw a kid who played for Igloo last year now playing on the 2020 Legacy team that is just cheating last year no way around it, he was in the grade above, if there are teams with late 2002 birthrates and are in the class of 2021 that is fine, when they are not in that grade that is wrong no two-ways around that, don't think or know if eclipse does that don't think so as their coach is a former respected lacrosse player they may have some late 2002 birthdays which is fine but I'm sure now class of 2020 kids. If kids are 2001 birthdates and still in the class of 2021 then the parents need to be examined. The Icon team may not be the best team and while they are really good, Igloo seems better but if I had a kid in the grade and they wanted to be taught the right way to play you should have him on that team. Any college coach and I can't see every coach in the country taking their calls over every other team in the 2021 class. Very organized team that does over do it by playing limited fall schedule as these kids should be playing football, soccer basketball first in the fall and winter and the lacrosse in the spring. Down in Md I was hearing that some of these teams are playing in 3-4 tourneys for what? so the organizations can take more money from you. What I would like to see someone post the costs of each team, I bet Icon is towards the bottom in costs and the return is so much more. So Igloo, Crabs, 91, express keep paying those owners and keep winning tourneys so their 4-5 tops kids get everything and not learn about lacrosse, which my kid had the talent to play at those top level teams and there would not be any other team for hi to play on. Don't care who wins, find me a college coach who cares who wins any 2021 tourney over who are good smart lacrosse players and good kids. Icon you guys were fun to watch over the past weekend keep doing what you are doing and don't worry if you loss to some of these other teams.
Congrats to Ambush. Three wins all fall. Please stop you sound silly at this point.

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I happened to keep an eye on their games. Hate to say it but if they keep this up, all winter and have a solid spring, this will be a powerful team.
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Looks like 91 Ambush is finding there way. They beat LIE North 7-3, Beat Necks Orange 6-3, & gave PT there only tuff game of the day with a 6-4 loss.
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Congrats to Ambush. Three wins all fall. Please stop you sound silly at this point.

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I happened to keep an eye on their games. Hate to say it but if they keep this up, all winter and have a solid spring, this will be a powerful team.
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Looks like 91 Ambush is finding there way. They beat LIE North 7-3, Beat Necks Orange 6-3, & gave PT there only tuff game of the day with a 6-4 loss.
At least they have the guts to move up and take a beating. They crushed every team in the B bracket, and went to the finals in an A bracket last summer. I would much rather get beat as a A and learn, than get a stupid T Shirt in a B. Many a team has dropped down to B just for that reason.
Equal to Black Ice is not saying that much since their performance this year has not been that dominating with the core kids still there. Listen 91 is a good club and BS knows how to build a defense but that is all they will ever have.

Another 91 parent trying to stir conversation and frankly they don't deserve to be mentioned in the same conversation. What have they proved? Play some tough 2021 AA games and stop running off to NJ to play 2020 B Teams. Is this so we pay the fee in hopes to see them at LaxFest again and then cross our fingers it doesn't rain?

I put them 5th behind Icon, Igloo, Crabs, and Express (No Such Order)

Happy Thanksgiving!!
Ambush will turn it around when Berry gets full control. That has been the intention all along. You get so many years to make a team work , after no success even a director will have no choice but to implement a new leader.



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Congrats to Ambush. Three wins all fall. Please stop you sound silly at this point.

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I happened to keep an eye on their games. Hate to say it but if they keep this up, all winter and have a solid spring, this will be a powerful team.
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Looks like 91 Ambush is finding there way. They beat LIE North 7-3, Beat Necks Orange 6-3, & gave PT there only tuff game of the day with a 6-4 loss.
At least they have the guts to move up and take a beating. They crushed every team in the B bracket, and went to the finals in an A bracket last summer. I would much rather get beat as a A and learn, than get a stupid T Shirt in a B. Many a team has dropped down to B just for that reason.
Heat was not impressive in PA this weekend. Bunch of close games against 2020 B teams. I have seen all the top four Long Island teams this year and 91 is number four. Express and Icon has past them. They would all beat each other if they play enough times but Express and icon would beat them more often. Sad to say but Express with guest players may be two and icon three behind black ice but ahead of 91.


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Equal to Black Ice is not saying that much since their performance this year has not been that dominating with the core kids still there. Listen 91 is a good club and BS knows how to build a defense but that is all they will ever have.

Another 91 parent trying to stir conversation and frankly they don't deserve to be mentioned in the same conversation. What have they proved? Play some tough 2021 AA games and stop running off to NJ to play 2020 B Teams. Is this so we pay the fee in hopes to see them at LaxFest again and then cross our fingers it doesn't rain?

I put them 5th behind Icon, Igloo, Crabs, and Express (No Such Order)

Happy Thanksgiving!!
Express got much better after he left. Not saying his departure was the he reason they got better. Time wil tell.

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Ambush will turn it around when Berry gets full control. That has been the intention all along. You get so many years to make a team work , after no success even a director will have no choice but to implement a new leader.



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Congrats to Ambush. Three wins all fall. Please stop you sound silly at this point.

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I happened to keep an eye on their games. Hate to say it but if they keep this up, all winter and have a solid spring, this will be a powerful team.
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Looks like 91 Ambush is finding there way. They beat LIE North 7-3, Beat Necks Orange 6-3, & gave PT there only tuff game of the day with a 6-4 loss.
At least they have the guts to move up and take a beating. They crushed every team in the B bracket, and went to the finals in an A bracket last summer. I would much rather get beat as a A and learn, than get a stupid T Shirt in a B. Many a team has dropped down to B just for that reason.
Good post.
2021 Teams that look very strong this Fall - no order:
Igloo
Express
Icon
91
Crabs
Bethesda
Annapolis Hawks
Green Turtle
Eclipse
Prime Time

There are likely some others - expect Carolina Cannons to be very good.
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Good post.
2021 Teams that look very strong this Fall - no order:
Igloo
Express
Icon
91
Crabs
Bethesda
Annapolis Hawks
Green Turtle
Eclipse
Prime Time

There are likely some others - expect Carolina Cannons to be very good.


You may mean the Team Carolina 2021 team (fka S. Charlotte Cyclones), who are very good and went to WSYL last Summer and only lost by 1 goal to Igloo. Cannons is a very good program, however.

Who's Mad Dog West, who did well at Summer Young Guns and also lost by 1 to Igloo?
Annapolis hawks seem to be out place.

c2c Dallas and Edge are also in that mix though the top teams are much better. Also depends how much cheating is happening with the age group. 15 year old should not be playing 2021.

Crabs team is an embarrassment to the sport for abusing the age rules. Should be addressed.






April 2nd & 3rd the power houses:

Black Ice, 91, Express, Icon, Eclipse,Primetime & Laxachusettes with play at the regionals for WSYL in Massachusettes. This will definitely give us more info on where teams stand.

June 11th & 12th:

91, Express, Eclipse, Primetime, Crabs & Laxachusettes will be In Pa. Igloo & Icon should enter and it would be out of this world.
Annapolis Hawks won NYPLL championship over Crabs and Bethesda last year and also beat Koopers and Green Turtle. They belong there...
Crabs has 2 kids held back for 2 years and another 5 kids held back for one year. Confirmed when birth dates were accidentally distributed before fall tourney in Maryland . Sad for growth of the game....
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Crabs has 2 kids held back for 2 years and another 5 kids held back for one year. Confirmed when birth dates were accidentally distributed before fall tourney in Maryland . Sad for growth of the game....
If that's true it is a disgrace! I am pretty sure that if my son was playing with 10 year olds he would be unstoppable. With 11 year olds completely dominant. I certainly wouldn't be puffing my chest out like my kid was some phenom. Never mind the safety aspects how about personal pride? Sad state of affairs!
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Crabs has 2 kids held back for 2 years and another 5 kids held back for one year. Confirmed when birth dates were accidentally distributed before fall tourney in Maryland . Sad for growth of the game....


It just means they need to roster older kids to compete with all the other teams. Play your game and put the Crabs to shame. Their reputation has gotten so pathetic that games against them are almost irrelevant.
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Crabs has 2 kids held back for 2 years and another 5 kids held back for one year. Confirmed when birth dates were accidentally distributed before fall tourney in Maryland . Sad for growth of the game....


It just means they need to roster older kids to compete with all the other teams. Play your game and put the Crabs to shame. Their reputation has gotten so pathetic that games against them are almost irrelevant.


But they are in 2021 right???? LOL ....... AGE NOT GRADE BASED MAKES SENSE NO???
Cheaters will always find a way to cheat.

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Crabs has 2 kids held back for 2 years and another 5 kids held back for one year. Confirmed when birth dates were accidentally distributed before fall tourney in Maryland . Sad for growth of the game....


It just means they need to roster older kids to compete with all the other teams. Play your game and put the Crabs to shame. Their reputation has gotten so pathetic that games against them are almost irrelevant.


But they are in 2021 right???? LOL ....... AGE NOT GRADE BASED MAKES SENSE NO???
Hawks do belong.

I know it's a first-world problem, but we all know that it's not cool for your kids to work hard, hit the wall, practice hard, etc., and then not see success on the field in some games just because the other team is older and bigger.

But it's not just the Crabs. If everyone is playing older kids (i.e., older than 9/1 cutoff), it's a bit disingenuous to complain about the team that is just doing it more. My perception is that there is not an AA 2021 team in the country with only on-age kids. That's why [lacrosse]'s and WSYL have 5/1 and 6/1 age cutoffs. I would be most AA teams have 5-10 "older" kids. Full year holdbacks may be rare, but I think parents holding back Spring/Summer birthdays has become very common in metro areas, not just Md. Maybe it's a private school thing, of course, as many metro areas have affluent in-city neighborhoods where private schools attract more kids.

The average bday of my 2021 team is 2/1/03. Replace my 5 youngest kids with 5 Summer 2002 birthdays and the average age of my team moves 3 months earlier to 11/1/02. Replace 10 youngest kids with 10 Summer 2002 birthdays and average age moves to 9/1/02. I don't think those age differences are unsafe or the end of the world, but folks are crazy if they don't think those extra months on average don't affect gameplay on the field - especially when you are talking about 13 olds just starting to hit growth spurts. Anyway, /rant off
Hard not to through Igloo in this picture as I saw a player this past weekend now play for a 2020 team which played on the 2021 team last year, if he is fact a 2020 kid then they cheated.
Igloo won [lacrosse]'s with the then 9/1 cut-off date. Not sure whey [lacrosse]'s and WYSL went to 5/1 - 6/1. Maybe because of the Crabs? And the Crabs lost to Crush. So didnt help them much.
[lacrosse]'s last year was 8/1 and [lacrosse]'s has no grade rule.

The biggest, most athletic 2020 in my area (playing up to varsity in 3 sports) has a June birthday and could play with my "U13" team in 13 months at [lacrosse]'s. Ridiculous.

Again, I think most travel teams from big cities have multiple summer birthdays. That must be why [lacrosse]'s changed and WSYL picked 5/1.
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Igloo won [lacrosse]'s with the then 9/1 cut-off date. Not sure whey [lacrosse]'s and WYSL went to 5/1 - 6/1. Maybe because of the Crabs? And the Crabs lost to Crush. So didnt help them much.


I believe the Pa school cutoff date is 6/1. Which would make many of their players ineligible for the tourneys. That puts Pa teams 5 months ahead of our cutoff of 11/15 or 12/1 whatever it is, our middle to younger 2021's would be their older 2022's.
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Annapolis hawks seem to be out place.

c2c Dallas and Edge are also in that mix though the top teams are much better. Also depends how much cheating is happening with the age group. 15 year old should not be playing 2021.

Crabs team is an embarrassment to the sport for abusing the age rules. Should be addressed.

Crabs team is an embarrassment? The ENTIRE Edge lacrosse team is at least one year older than the bracket they play in. That program should be barred from coming down to America and not playing in the appropriate division.






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Annapolis hawks seem to be out place.

c2c Dallas and Edge are also in that mix though the top teams are much better. Also depends how much cheating is happening with the age group. 15 year old should not be playing 2021.

Crabs team is an embarrassment to the sport for abusing the age rules. Should be addressed.



Crabs team is an embarrassment? The ENTIRE Edge lacrosse team is at least one year older than the bracket they play in. That program should be barred from coming down to America and not playing in the appropriate division.

I agree that Edge should be banned from US tournaments but two wrongs don't make it right. Crabs is an embarrassment but the pushback you get from the program and parents is that they are playing by the existing rules. That pos fat crab daddy would never ban Edge as he wants the money. I would love to see him show the rosters for all of their teams providing the date of birth for all players,, not their names just date of birth, but that will never happen. And some on here are talking about Looney's parents, take a look at the Crab parents, just plain disgusting in every way. They are the followers of the fat Crab cult leader.





Will Team Carolina be able to abide by the 100 mile radius rule for all players? Means kids from Raleigh cannot play for Charlotte based team......

Good rule - to keep Clubs with multiple locations from combining teams - ie. madlax national or 3d national or Team 91 NY/MD.
"just plain disgusting in every way" is a rather broad generalization of a rather diverse group of parents. I don't think this is a supportable statement.
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Will Team Carolina be able to abide by the 100 mile radius rule for all players? Means kids from Raleigh cannot play for Charlotte based team......

Good rule - to keep Clubs with multiple locations from combining teams - ie. madlax national or 3d national or Team 91 NY/MD.


It's funny but one rule where WSYL actually is ahead of U.S. Lacrosse, whose U15 Nationals keep getting won by all-star teams.
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Igloo won [lacrosse]'s with the then 9/1 cut-off date. Not sure whey [lacrosse]'s and WYSL went to 5/1 - 6/1. Maybe because of the Crabs? And the Crabs lost to Crush. So didnt help them much.


Ridiculous to go to a 5/1 cutoff. The absolute most should be a July 1.. But in the world of holdbacks I guess 5/1 is better than no date..just grade
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Igloo won [lacrosse]'s with the then 9/1 cut-off date. Not sure whey [lacrosse]'s and WYSL went to 5/1 - 6/1. Maybe because of the Crabs? And the Crabs lost to Crush. So didnt help them much.


Ridiculous to go to a 5/1 cutoff. The absolute most should be a July 1.. But in the world of holdbacks I guess 5/1 is better than no date..just grade


5/1 might help a little but real talent will thrive even with this cutoff. As the previous poster stated- you saw what happens when the Crabs had to roster their kids according to a somewhat fair cut off. Just goes to show some teams can only compete using older kids. I can't imagine Crabs will want to unload another team to show their true colors again.
Not a Crabs fan here, but this comment is silly. What happened when Crabs played on age, was that they showed they were the 2nd bets team in country....sorry - I don't like them either, but that aint too bad. Only 20 boys on Team 91 Crush - I would like to think it is worth having all of these other teams play the sport. 2nd is not bad at WSYL - for sure.

Crush is undisputed of course.
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Not a Crabs fan here, but this comment is silly. What happened when Crabs played on age, was that they showed they were the 2nd bets team in country....sorry - I don't like them either, but that aint too bad. Only 20 boys on Team 91 Crush - I would like to think it is worth having all of these other teams play the sport. 2nd is not bad at WSYL - for sure.

Crush is undisputed of course.


WSYL was a ball of fun- but if there were teams that were not there that could have changed the championship game teams. Crush is a definite, but when Crabs don't have older players, Looneys, Express, Legacy, etc are all quite competitive. Yes, Crabs are good, but the older players are difference makers which is why they cut their 2020 kids to bring down 2019 kids this year. There are many teams just as good as Crabs without older players. I don't think that's silly at all.
Yep, but those other teams were not there.....and probably because they had kids who were too old to attend.....LI teams perhaps not, but Looneys probably has couple - most Maryland Teams do.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yep, but those other teams were not there.....and probably because they had kids who were too old to attend.....LI teams perhaps not, but Looneys probably has couple - most Maryland Teams do.


Breaking news: All the LI teams have holdbacks. They couldn't take the MD cheating ways, so decided to join them. Nice morals. Great caracter! Igloo, Crush , Express, Legacy, outlaws are just a few that I know for sure harbor holdbacks. You can't complain when your team is doing the same thing. Even if it's just one kid!
You have no clue. All these teams don't have holdbacks. Maybe some but not all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yep, but those other teams were not there.....and probably because they had kids who were too old to attend.....LI teams perhaps not, but Looneys probably has couple - most Maryland Teams do.


Breaking news: All the LI teams have holdbacks. They couldn't take the MD cheating ways, so decided to join them. Nice morals. Great caracter! Igloo, Crush , Express, Legacy, outlaws are just a few that I know for sure harbor holdbacks. You can't complain when your team is doing the same thing. Even if it's just one kid!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You have no clue. All these teams don't have holdbacks. Maybe some but not all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yep, but those other teams were not there.....and probably because they had kids who were too old to attend.....LI teams perhaps not, but Looneys probably has couple - most Maryland Teams do.


Breaking news: All the LI teams have holdbacks. They couldn't take the MD cheating ways, so decided to join them. Nice morals. Great caracter! Igloo, Crush , Express, Legacy, outlaws are just a few that I know for sure harbor holdbacks. You can't complain when your team is doing the same thing. Even if it's just one kid!


Oh yea, which ones dont? I know for a fact the ones I mentioned do. And so does anyone else in the know. I'd love to name names, but unfortunately its not allowed here!
I think the difference is, most LI holdbacks are Fall birthdays- still making them on age in MD and other states. Those that may be older would probably ALL make the cut off set by WSYL. I hate to say it, but if things don't change, LI will probably join them- after all club ball is business. Can you imagine what Crush would look like if they had Extreme and Orange 2019 kids rostered? That'd just be ridiculous, but it does happen in other states. Either way, I think all competitive teams will do fine at the WSYL even with the 5/1 cut off.
I know for a fact at least one of these teams don't have any hold backs

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You have no clue. All these teams don't have holdbacks. Maybe some but not all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yep, but those other teams were not there.....and probably because they had kids who were too old to attend.....LI teams perhaps not, but Looneys probably has couple - most Maryland Teams do.


Breaking news: All the LI teams have holdbacks. They couldn't take the MD cheating ways, so decided to join them. Nice morals. Great caracter! Igloo, Crush , Express, Legacy, outlaws are just a few that I know for sure harbor holdbacks. You can't complain when your team is doing the same thing. Even if it's just one kid!


Oh yea, which ones dont? I know for a fact the ones I mentioned do. And so does anyone else in the know. I'd love to name names, but unfortunately its not allowed here!
just because these are the best Long Island teams it does not mean they have holdbacks. One of these teams you mention have only a few big kids. That team has no hold back. The holdbacks people are talking about are the ones that look like they belong in 8th or 9 th grade and don't look like kids but more like adults. Those kids probably have 2001 or early 2002 birthdates. No one is complaining about the tiny kids with October or November 2003 birthdates. One or two holdbacks on a team although wrong is manageable but those teams off Long Island have at least half the team that looks older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You have no clue. All these teams don't have holdbacks. Maybe some but not all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yep, but those other teams were not there.....and probably because they had kids who were too old to attend.....LI teams perhaps not, but Looneys probably has couple - most Maryland Teams do.


Breaking news: All the LI teams have holdbacks. They couldn't take the MD cheating ways, so decided to join them. Nice morals. Great caracter! Igloo, Crush , Express, Legacy, outlaws are just a few that I know for sure harbor holdbacks. You can't complain when your team is doing the same thing. Even if it's just one kid!


Oh yea, which ones dont? I know for a fact the ones I mentioned do. And so does anyone else in the know. I'd love to name names, but unfortunately its not allowed here!
It doesn't matter if the kid is big or small. It doesn't matter if there are 1 or 10. It's wrong! Don't you get it. If your team has even 1 holdback. You are not aloud to complain. You're breaking the unofficial rules. It is not ok to cheat a little bit! And once again, every single one of those teams has holdbacks. You need to understand your team is no different from any other and stop complaining!
All the whining and crying over youth lacrosse. I cant wait to hear you all [lacrosse] about your kid not varsity because an 18 year old senior is better than your 14 yr old freshmen. Guess what who cares about holdbacks and bs. kids can play or they cant!
If a child is a late 2002 birthday and in the class of 2021 he/she is not a hold back.Many parents do this as a plus for academics. Why not, I have a child who is a late Oct birthday, not great in sports and even if we held him back he would have done a little better on the field but i think even a little better in the classroom where it really counts. Stop the complaining about the fall holdbacks it is not that much of a difference it is those kids who are actually in the class of 2020 that are cheating. If a team is found out to have a child in the grade above that team should be banned from tourney's period just don't let them play.
All those teams you mention don't have holdbacks. One I know for a fact does not. The others I have no idea. I find it hard to believe you just happen to know the age of kids on other teams. You are grouping the best teams together and assuming they all have holdbacks when they don't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It doesn't matter if the kid is big or small. It doesn't matter if there are 1 or 10. It's wrong! Don't you get it. If your team has even 1 holdback. You are not aloud to complain. You're breaking the unofficial rules. It is not ok to cheat a little bit! And once again, every single one of those teams has holdbacks. You need to understand your team is no different from any other and stop complaining!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All those teams you mention don't have holdbacks. One I know for a fact does not. The others I have no idea. I find it hard to believe you just happen to know the age of kids on other teams. You are grouping the best teams together and assuming they all have holdbacks when they don't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It doesn't matter if the kid is big or small. It doesn't matter if there are 1 or 10. It's wrong! Don't you get it. If your team has even 1 holdback. You are not aloud to complain. You're breaking the unofficial rules. It is not ok to cheat a little bit! And once again, every single one of those teams has holdbacks. You need to understand your team is no different from any other and stop complaining!


Agreed. ALL of the don't.

But for another I won't mention, I guess you don't consider pre-k redshirts, holdbacks...as a another poster from the OP and former parent of one of these teams, I agree with the OP. I have seen the puberty levels of two players back in 5th grade and had conversations with the parents as well. It wasn't what they were fed, it wasn't a case of 'early puberty'. The parents learned from the situation of older children in the program. The old 'do it before school begins!'. Very disheartening at the time - and the rest of the team still thinks they're naturals.

And when it comes down to it, I wish I knew back then what I know now because my son has a late birthday. It's still a case of one-upmanship and taking advantage of private school rules. Oh well, that's life. Live and learn.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All those teams you mention don't have holdbacks. One I know for a fact does not. The others I have no idea. I find it hard to believe you just happen to know the age of kids on other teams. You are grouping the best teams together and assuming they all have holdbacks when they don't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It doesn't matter if the kid is big or small. It doesn't matter if there are 1 or 10. It's wrong! Don't you get it. If your team has even 1 holdback. You are not aloud to complain. You're breaking the unofficial rules. It is not ok to cheat a little bit! And once again, every single one of those teams has holdbacks. You need to understand your team is no different from any other and stop complaining!


Agreed. ALL of the don't.

But for another I won't mention, I guess you don't consider pre-k redshirts, holdbacks...as a another poster from the OP and former parent of one of these teams, I agree with the OP. I have seen the puberty levels of two players back in 5th grade and had conversations with the parents as well. It wasn't what they were fed, it wasn't a case of 'early puberty'. The parents learned from the situation of older children in the program. The old 'do it before school begins!'. Very disheartening at the time - and the rest of the team still thinks they're naturals.

And when it comes down to it, I wish I knew back then what I know now because my son has a late birthday. It's still a case of one-upmanship and taking advantage of private school rules. Oh well, that's life. Live and learn.

My son is an October birthday, and is on a good "B" team at his grade level. I never considered putting him into school a year later because his preschool teachers said he was ready for kindergarten. I mean come on, have a 5 year old be bored for another year just so he may have a chance at a scholarship? I'm more concerned with him getting good grades, and getting better at lax. Nobody ever looked back and said how good somebody was in 8th grade!
I live in Connecticut. My kid just turned 16. But the other parents love it because now my son can drive his 2021 teammates to practice. All good.
Wow, classy Long Islander. Another organization can field a quality team and I am going to cry about it. Sounds like this Dad is a little worried.
I did not write that post. Trust me no one is worried. Long Islanders go out of state and play against kids that "just turned 12" that are sometimes 6 feet to as much as 6 foot five. We still beat them. One or two very big kids per team is believable but when most of the team is very big it makes one wonder. Last summer we played 2021 teams that were very big out of state in five games. The next day played a tournament up against Long Island 2020 kids that seemed very small compared to the out of state 2021 kids. I for one don't care. If these teams need to play older kids to compete that is fine. I wish they would just admit that kids are older. Coaches and parents would like to measure the development of the team and players. That is hard to do when a player or team gets beat by a kids that are adult like and said to be only 12. I'm sure there are good teams that are legit but when most good teams off Long Island are very big the rest of the teams will be questioned. On Long Island icon, express, legacy, outlaws and most of 91 are the correct size of 7th graders. Why are the good out of state teams so much bigger than these teams if they are all the same age?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow, classy Long Islander. Another organization can field a quality team and I am going to cry about it. Sounds like this Dad is a little worried.
Six foot five at 12 years old. Talk about embellinshing a story. I can't talk about all the other teams but the Ct. Team is all age appropriate for WSYL. As long as a team is following the rules, all is good. Maybe your frustration should be directed at the Organizers of some of these tournaments and not the kids.
Maybe your frustration should be directed at the Organizers of some of these tournaments and not the kids.


BINGO
I am 6'1'' and 240 last summer my team went to Massachusetts for a tournament and there was a middie playing against us who was bigger than I was and his hand swallowed mine in the post game line up.

There are kids that big playing in these tournaments. It wasnt my original post but I will say it may sound like embellishment but Ive seen it happen
This can all be remedied. By using birth year and not grade for all travel sports
I dot care if parent wants to leave his kid back
I dont agree with it unless it is warranted for academics
Sorry it is true. It was not a CT kid. Also have seen kids and goalies taller than the cage. Also two years ago at laxfest I saw Crush play up against laxachusetes and laxachusettrs had two seventh grade defenders that were at least 6 foot three. Others over six foot. You will soon see when your kids starts playing these teams more often.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Six foot five at 12 years old. Talk about embellinshing a story. I can't talk about all the other teams but the Ct. Team is all age appropriate for WSYL. As long as a team is following the rules, all is good. Maybe your frustration should be directed at the Organizers of some of these tournaments and not the kids.
laxachusettes and the other new England schools are probably the worst abusers of reclassing
Is icon playing this weekend ?oh wait they can't. Express is using half of their team.
If that is true.why do they even have tryouts? Obviously big money grab
Only top teams that are playing are Ambush, legacy and Express Chany. Neither Igloo team is playing. Heat is not playing and the Outlawd Have only a few kids from the Select team playing on Friday. It seems this is not a tournament for the AA teams. So Icon has no reason to attend anyway. Let the kids play. Why do you care?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is icon playing this weekend ?oh wait they can't. Express is using half of their team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is icon playing this weekend ?oh wait they can't. Express is using half of their team.


To the sad, crybaby Rockville Centre daddy who keeps beating this dead horse: enough already. Though your little Johnny may have gotten cut by either or both teams, it is seriously time for you to move on. For the last time (God willing) - there are 2 former Icon players that have been playing with Express this Fall. Both are quality players, but only one is exceptional and a potential difference maker. Please get it through your thick skull - we are talking about one player. If this player does not return with Express this Summer (by all accounts he will), it will be unfortunate BUT it will not change the dynamic of this team. Is that clear enough for you? Go troll some other thread you tool.
Is half the team 2 kids?
Those kids are moving on from icon - by spring they will be all team Channy 100%
Top teams (Ambush) ?




quote=Anonymous]Only top teams that are playing are Ambush, legacy and Express Chany. Neither Igloo team is playing. Heat is not playing and the Outlawd Have only a few kids from the Select team playing on Friday. It seems this is not a tournament for the AA teams. So Icon has no reason to attend anyway. Let the kids play. Why do you care?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is icon playing this weekend ?oh wait they can't. Express is using half of their team.
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[quote=Anonymous]Is half the team 2 kids?
Those kids are moving on from icon - by spring they will be all team Channy 100% [/quote

there is something seriously wrong with anyone who is writing about 12 year old boys, especially late at night and early in the morning. why don't you use their names you losers. Classless absolutely classless.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is half the team 2 kids?
Those kids are moving on from icon - by spring they will be all team Channy 100%



According to you.
Lets be clear on this MC has been trying for the past two years to grab a few of the Icon kids. Icon does not do as much in the fall as far as tournaments as Express and the others. They have had a number of practices and with that staff they probably get more out of that then most kids on other teams in the fall. Only two of the Icon kids play on the fall teams for Express and the Icon coaches with class could care less how many teams how many tournaments the kids want to play on/in. The parents of those kids have made it clear that they are playing on Icon in the Spring and Summer. The others who MC have tried to get and I know it is one or two guys on their attack and another kiddie but they declined. If the players and parents of Express don't care that these two kids come in and play and take time from their kids without paying a dime it is up to them. Why MC does it, it is clear so they can post on their website that Express has won or did well at these tourney's. Are they teaching kids no absolutely not, are the kids learning no absolutely not but live goes on. They are 7th grade is does not matter.
Why would any kid leave the Icon team where they will learn more that any team they could find, just look at the staff's of each team. The team play on Icon is so much better.
Ambush will be undefeated on Friday playing Express B , Titans and Outlaws combo which I hear is the silver team with a combo of some select kids. all games will be blowouts!
I agree Ambush has a cake walk schedule. If you don't play Channy kind of wasted day.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree Ambush has a cake walk schedule. If you don't play Channy kind of wasted day.


It's a day after Thanksgiving event. Most teams will be missing players.
Looks like, we got a nice day with bearable temperatures. Win, lose or draw, it means nothing.
Everyone have a Happy Thanksgiving.
Will be interesting to see if MC brings in those Icon players or any other outside players for this Thanksgiving tourney, to run up the scores against a town team and there own b teams.
Hope they win because it will be bad for them if they don't even if they are missing some kids.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree Ambush has a cake walk schedule. If you don't play Channy kind of wasted day.
Mc is the one making up the schedule. He needs to please the kids parents that paid alot of money just to wear an express pinnie. Those fundraising kids should get plenty of playing time friday.

Well let's see the cakewalk scores , good luck with outlaws , let's see Ambush blow them out.


quote=Anonymous]I agree Ambush has a cake walk schedule. If you don't play Channy kind of wasted day. [/quote]
It is Not the Outlaws select team. Ambush should do well. Ambush is an A team. You will see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well let's see the cakewalk scores , good luck with outlaws , let's see Ambush blow them out.


quote=Anonymous]I agree Ambush has a cake walk schedule. If you don't play Channy kind of wasted day.
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FYI NO ONE CARES
STOP! It's Thanksgiving. Be happy that your son is able to play lacrosse! Who cares which team is the best? The best is watching him playing a game that he loves. Win or lose.
We have been waiting to see since the beginning of time .




Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is Not the Outlaws
select team. Ambush should do well. Ambush is an A team. You will see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well let's see the cakewalk scores , good luck with outlaws , let's see Ambush blow them out.


quote=Anonymous]I agree Ambush has a cake walk schedule. If you don't play Channy kind of wasted day.
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Yes it would be sooooooo bad if they lost. Yet they won all 3
Yes congrats. You showed your team has no class. Blew out express who were missing players. The other two teams express played showed class and backed off By the end of the first half. Not your great team. No reason to keep playing your starters and face off guy and keep scoring Off the face off. Why would your team do that? I guess it was out of frustration for the nail biter game you had against the Outlaws Silver team winning that by only one on a last minute goal and having a closer game than expected against legacy B. Keep bragging. Just remember all three games were not blowouts as predicted. That is sooooo bad. You can keep coming on here saying how great your team team is and one day you may convince your self of that but you won't convince anyone else. Some advice --- Worry more about getting some class before becoming an A team. Having no class is soooo bad.

quote=Anonymous]Yes it would be sooooooo bad if they lost. Yet they won all 3 [/quote]
It wouldn't be bad if your team lost but you keep posting how great your team is and they played 3 B teams. It appears Ambush is a strong B team. congrats!!!
OH BOY SOMEONE HAS NO LIFE!!!!!! WOW CONGRATS YOU FOLLOW A LAX TEAM THAT YOUR SON IS NOT EVEN ON YET YOU SEEM TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. HMMMMMM LOOKS LIKE A DAD WHO'S SON WAS CUT AND IS NOW ON OUTLAWS SILVER
All good. Enjoy watching the kids play this wonderful game and comparing my son's ability against other kids his age. I never brag about my sons team or my son and he is a stud.

91 parents have to learn there is nothing wrong with being a B team. Read other threads 91 parents pump up 91 teams. 2022 and 2023 and older years too. Accept what you think the team is A or B and who cares what others think. You are not changing anyone's mind here with self serving post. Those post only show you may not be happy with the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It wouldn't be bad if your team lost but you keep posting how great your team is and they played 3 B teams. It appears Ambush is a strong B team. congrats!!!
91 Ambush has not improved over the years. In fourth grade to sixth grade they were a B plus team. They still are. When someone has lost and can't win an argument they always pull out the old kid got cut. If you feel this post is an insult then you are not confident in your kids team and are very insecure. It is not an insult to be a B plus team given that there are only five or six A or AA teams on the island. So being from Long Island being B plus is not bad. There are about five or six B plus teams. That puts you in the top 12 on Long Island which again is good. However it is a big jump from B plus to A and even a bigger jump from A to AA. I hope you find happiness with this team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
OH BOY SOMEONE HAS NO LIFE!!!!!! WOW CONGRATS YOU FOLLOW A LAX TEAM THAT YOUR SON IS NOT EVEN ON YET YOU SEEM TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. HMMMMMM LOOKS LIKE A DAD WHO'S SON WAS CUT AND IS NOW ON OUTLAWS SILVER

There's a few parents on Ambush who can't accept the level that this team is at. i am sure that many who read this forum and know this team will know the few people without mentioning names . The funny thing is all those teams that they played yesterday were beaten by a team that a few idiotic parents on Ambush have a grudge against. That my friend is you spew trash talk without knowing actual capabilities !! Good luck with another year acting the role of high caliber with your sweat shirts and tee shirts !
Just accept what you have and role with it already.


quote=Anonymous]
91 parents have to learn there is nothing wrong with being a B team. Read other threads 91 parents pump up 91 teams. 2022 and 2023 and older years too. Accept what you think the team is A or B and who cares what others think. You are not changing anyone's mind here with self serving post. Those post only show you may not be happy with the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It wouldn't be bad if your team lost but you keep posting how great your team is and they played 3 B teams. It appears Ambush is a strong B team. congrats!!!
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Fyi.ambush didn't make the schedule. They just played lacrosse yesterday.maybe tell mc to put together a more competitive tournament. Then again all he cares about is the money.if your sons team won you would still be calling ambush a b team.seems like you are more concerned about another team
No one talks about ambush until there is a dumb comment about ambush winning or how good ambush is. Don't make those dumb comments and no one will be concerned with or posting about ambush. Just keep quiet and no one will say a thing about this irrelevant team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fyi.ambush didn't make the schedule. They just played lacrosse yesterday.maybe tell mc to put together a more competitive tournament. Then again all he cares about is the money.if your sons team won you would still be calling ambush a b team.seems like you are more concerned about another team
FYI your delusional
MC organizes the games as per request of coaches on which bracket they want to play thats a known fact ! . If Ambush has been playing in A all fall and no less against MC's own team he would have automatically placed Ambush into A bracket, it came from the coach himself of Ambush to be put into B bracket. dont play like it was MC who put your team there on his own. and if that was the case that mc placed your team on his own he basically said your not at the level to play in an competitive A bracket !






Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fyi.ambush didn't make the schedule. They just played lacrosse yesterday.maybe tell mc to put together a more competitive tournament. Then again all he cares about is the money.if your sons team won you would still be calling ambush a b team.seems like you are more concerned about another team
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI your delusional
MC organizes the games as per request of coaches on which bracket they want to play thats a known fact ! . If Ambush has been playing in A all fall and no less against MC's own team he would have automatically placed Ambush into A bracket, it came from the coach himself of Ambush to be put into B bracket. dont play like it was MC who put your team there on his own. and if that was the case that mc placed your team on his own he basically said your not at the level to play in an competitive A bracket !






Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fyi.ambush didn't make the schedule. They just played lacrosse yesterday.maybe tell mc to put together a more competitive tournament. Then again all he cares about is the money.if your sons team won you would still be calling ambush a b team.seems like you are more concerned about another team
There were NO brackets! Channy played his own B team, Legacy Titans and Garden City. Ambush played Express B, Legacy Titans and Outlaws combo which was a good team, mostly select with the best of Silver(very good B team). So no coach asked to play in B. It was a small tournament with average teams mostlyyry well matched except for LIE teams( one way better, one way worse).

Please don't drag the Outlaws in this. To clear this up the Outlaws team that played Ambush was the Black team which was called Siver last year. The coach this past weekend was the Black team coach. There were only a few kids from the Select team. It was mostly Black team players who got the majority of playing time because it was the Black teams tournament.

quote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI your delusional
MC organizes the games as per request of coaches on which bracket they want to play thats a known fact ! . If Ambush has been playing in A all fall and no less against MC's own team he would have automatically placed Ambush into A bracket, it came from the coach himself of Ambush to be put into B bracket. dont play like it was MC who put your team there on his own. and if that was the case that mc placed your team on his own he basically said your not at the level to play in an competitive A bracket !






Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fyi.ambush didn't make the schedule. They just played lacrosse yesterday.maybe tell mc to put together a more competitive tournament. Then again all he cares about is the money.if your sons team won you would still be calling ambush a b team.seems like you are more concerned about another team
There were NO brackets! Channy played his own B team, Legacy Titans and Garden City. Ambush played Express B, Legacy Titans and Outlaws combo which was a good team, mostly select with the best of Silver(very good B team). So no coach asked to play in B. It was a small tournament with average teams mostlyyry well matched except for LIE teams( one way better, one way worse). [/quote]
Way to disrespect your own organization and the black team. Wouldn't want to go to war with you, guy! Pure example how all of you hiding behind the computer are fake tough guys. Anyone with balls would say their name and their team! Clowns!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Way to disrespect your own organization and the black team. Wouldn't want to go to war with you, guy! Pure example how all of you hiding behind the computer are fake tough guys. Anyone with balls would say their name and their team! Clowns!


So what's your name slugger?
The Black team played well and should get the credit for playing a one goal game against Ambush. That was the point. Stop trying to cause trouble.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Way to disrespect your own organization and the black team. Wouldn't want to go to war with you, guy! Pure example how all of you hiding behind the computer are fake tough guys. Anyone with balls would say their name and their team! Clowns!
Where I was looking from the Outlaws had 11 kids from there AA team & 10 from the A team. With both coaches from both team on the sideline. Ambush played Outlaws AA 3 times and they are 2-1.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where I was looking from the Outlaws had 11 kids from there AA team & 10 from the A team. With both coaches from both team on the sideline. Ambush played Outlaws AA 3 times and they are 2-1.



How could you possibly tell which kids were AA and which were A? Outlaws stated prior to the tournament that they were entering a combination team. They have kids and coaches who just want to play lacrosse. Stop with the nonsense. The last 10 pages are about Ambush.......why.....? No one from Igloo, Express A or 91 Orange has posted all season.....why.....?
Wrong 100 percent. Keep making things up if it makes you feel better. Either you were not there or you are a liar. I doubt this is a 91 parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where I was looking from the Outlaws had 11 kids from there AA team & 10 from the A team. With both coaches from both team on the sideline. Ambush played Outlaws AA 3 times and they are 2-1.
The same idiot keeps on bashing ambush.if they are a b team in your eyes than the outlaws select team should be embarrassed that they lost to them.i think by select they mean they were selected from a very small pool of kids that know they wouldn't make one of the top 3 organizations
Wrong 100% your parents on the sideline like to talk
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wrong 100 percent. Keep making things up if it makes you feel better. Either you were not there or you are a liar. I doubt this is a 91 parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where I was looking from the Outlaws had 11 kids from there AA team & 10 from the A team. With both coaches from both team on the sideline. Ambush played Outlaws AA 3 times and they are 2-1.
All the pages are about 91 Ambush because some of the parents of Ambush want to keep talking about themselves. They can't take what they are. They continuously tell everyone how great they are. If they have to they will lie. For a reason everyone knows about they talk bad about Express most of the time and every so often they take a shot at the Outlaws. It may trouble them that express Channy beat them by a lot many times despite the predictions they are better. Even this year they were saying they will beat Channy. They will never best Channys team. Everyone thinks they are a B plus team. This past weekend playing Outlaws Silver team in a one goal game proves it. It does not matter how many select kids were playing. Next year half of Ambush will leave like they do every year. We will see the same talk next year just as we saw this talk last year after express made changes. At one time we saw talk like this with express. Express made changes and the talked stopped at express and started with Ambush. Remember Ambush will never be as good as as Express Channy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wrong 100% your parents on the sideline like to talk
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wrong 100 percent. Keep making things up if it makes you feel better. Either you were not there or you are a liar. I doubt this is a 91 parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where I was looking from the Outlaws had 11 kids from there AA team & 10 from the A team. With both coaches from both team on the sideline. Ambush played Outlaws AA 3 times and they are 2-1.
I just read this thread and I find it amusing. I am with the Outlaws select. I have two points.
1. There were ten players from select. 3 attack, 3 middies and 3 def. plus one of our two goalies. They played a simplified def because they were making a joint team as well as a basic offense because most of the game there were players from two teams playing on the field. As an "A" team you should have cleaned up on a mixed group regardless of the amount of Select players. You assume it was the top of the two benches as well. It was the simply the kids that were available to play. There were some of our kids playing with some of the Black team kids. I did notice you had your big guns though.

2. As a member of the Outlaws select I regularly read about how this team is a B team and we dont belong in the mix of the top teams from the Island for this age bracket. So to use this weak team as a barometer of how awesome ambush is is a little weak unless you do have the respect for us that you dont usually admit to.

Either way it wasnt the Outlaws that crowd about the results it was an Ambush parent. It also wasnt the outlaws that started criticizing Ambush about their lack of class, that appeared to be an Express parent. so please dont use us to validate your claims of superiority.

Other than that have a nice Holiday season.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just read this thread and I find it amusing. I am with the Outlaws select. I have two points.
1. There were ten players from select. 3 attack, 3 middies and 3 def. plus one of our two goalies. They played a simplified def because they were making a joint team as well as a basic offense because most of the game there were players from two teams playing on the field. As an "A" team you should have cleaned up on a mixed group regardless of the amount of Select players. You assume it was the top of the two benches as well. It was the simply the kids that were available to play. There were some of our kids playing with some of the Black team kids. I did notice you had your big guns though.

2. As a member of the Outlaws select I regularly read about how this team is a B team and we dont belong in the mix of the top teams from the Island for this age bracket. So to use this weak team as a barometer of how awesome ambush is is a little weak unless you do have the respect for us that you dont usually admit to.

Either way it wasnt the Outlaws that crowd about the results it was an Ambush parent. It also wasnt the outlaws that started criticizing Ambush about their lack of class, that appeared to be an Express parent. so please dont use us to validate your claims of superiority.

Other than that have a nice Holiday season.


If you are a kid, good for you! If you are a parent, stop using us and we as if you play.
What do you consider ambushes big guns.they have all average players.some below average.you are definitely a bad judge of lacrosse talent
Nice adult,please keep in mind kids talent will change in the next couple of years. so enjoy your little stud while you can.
It is fair to call Ambush a B team but it is not fair to say all the kids are average to below average. They have at least three kids that can make A or even AA teams when they play a clean game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What do you consider ambushes big guns.they have all average players.some below average.you are definitely a bad judge of lacrosse talent
How did Express North and Legacy do in the tournament
Express North beat Outlaws and tied GC34 from what I saw. GC had 2 goals take away and I think Legacy struggled a bit I know they lost by 5-6 to GC34. Express Channy should not have been don't know what they wanted to prove by being there with the two Icon kids, and keeping the first line mids on for a majority of that time. Also don't know why the Icon kids would want to go but I'm sure thats all MC.
Surely there is more to the entire 2021 class to discuss than the 2 Icon kids and whether Ambush is a B or B+ team.
Of course MC will bring in outside kids to any tourney, so they can hold the shoulders out even beating up town teams and lower level teams, that is what they are about. Why not have their second team play a town team, why because that town who outplayed their North A team would have blown out their LI B team and how would that look. So lets play their 1st line whose best kid is a Icon kid, even play him in the middle on man up and try to score as many goals against them. Amazing on how the other kids and parents put up with this. Imagine a kid who is not on the roster come to tourney's when his team is not playing, play the whole game and play man up aw well, when kids on their roster don't see the field but will make the payments so the can where the express uniforms. Those Icon kids and parents must be laughing when they leave these games. Congrats to the GC 34 team after a tough going with Express Channy to come back and out play the North team and play well against the Legacy and I assume only a practice or two not bad.Like many of the GC kids they played soccer or football in the fall and not just lacrosse.
Agree, do many feel that in 7th grade if a kid is playing football or soccer in their middle school, to play in these many fall lacrosse tournaments is good? maybe one just to get their stick in their hands but reading how many some of these teams play, do those kids play other sports? I know my son's middle school football team started the first week of school and went until the first week of Nov and they practiced or played every day and many Sats, as soon as it ended middle school basketball started. Isn't that what middle school kids are suppose to do if they are capable of make their school teams What happened to those kids who play football/soccer in the fall, basketball in the winter and lacrosse in spring, is that out the window.


Inaccurate , if you think any kid is A or AA you are just a disgruntled Ambush parent who will never be happy on any team your son is on, if he was truly that level BS would have him on his team already period !
I guess you must have missed that personal phone call invite from Spallina .

quote=Anonymous]It is fair to call Ambush a B team but it is not fair to say all the kids are average to below average. They have at least three kids that can make A or even AA teams when they play a clean game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What do you consider ambushes big guns.they have all average players.some below average.you are definitely a bad judge of lacrosse talent
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Originally Posted by Anonymous


Inaccurate , if you think any kid is A or AA you are just a disgruntled Ambush parent who will never be happy on any team your son is on, if he was truly that level BS would have him on his team already period !
I guess you must have missed that personal phone call invite from Spallina .

quote=Anonymous]It is fair to call Ambush a B team but it is not fair to say all the kids are average to below average. They have at least three kids that can make A or even AA teams when they play a clean game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What do you consider ambushes big guns.they have all average players.some below average.you are definitely a bad judge of lacrosse talent
[/quote]

With the level of competition on LI, I would have to disagree. Many coaches stick with the known quantities and pass over above average kids because they know how the existing player will be over the long haul. You have many above average kids playing the B level because they just can't crack the AA unless they go to a totally different program that may be further away, and the parents don't think it is worth it. Outlaws Black has several kids who fit this, as do Ambush, and several other teams. Some kids also chose to play on the B team so they aren't cheerleaders on a AA team.

I wasn't at this tournament, but I heard that several of these teams were missing some key players. This tournament was just to get the kids out, and have fun. Going 3-0 or 0-3 has no bearing. Non of this matters until the Spring when these teams have had time to spend together. I wish this whole mine is bigger than yours would just stop already. These are 12 year old kids. Let them play and let their records at the end of August determine who is better.
Let's be Honest there are 4 Teams that are top notch and everyone else trying to catch them.

1 - Igloo Black Ice (until beaten)
2 - 91 Orange (Spallinas team who beat Express, Primetime, Eclipse & Laxachusettes at NLF last summer).
3 - Icon (beat Crabs & Eclipse 2 weeks ago without their top offensive weapon).
4 - Express Channy (undefeated in Fall)

Next 4 teams

5 - Eclipse (beat Icon, Primetime, 91 Orange, Outlaws Select)
6 - Laxachusettes (beat Express, HHH & Primetime)
7 - Primetime (beat Outlaws, HHH, Avalanche)
8 - HHH (beat Laxachusettes, Express and played others very tight)

Team Long Island & Rising Sons would be in top 8 but rumor is they lost a ton of talent or disbanded.

Honorable Mention: Outlaws select, Ambush, Legacy

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's be Honest there are 4 Teams that are top notch and everyone else trying to catch them.

1 - Igloo Black Ice (until beaten)
2 - 91 Orange (Spallinas team who beat Express, Primetime, Eclipse & Laxachusettes at NLF last summer).
3 - Icon (beat Crabs & Eclipse 2 weeks ago without their top offensive weapon).
4 - Express Channy (undefeated in Fall)

Next 4 teams

5 - Eclipse (beat Icon, Primetime, 91 Orange, Outlaws Select)
6 - Laxachusettes (beat Express, HHH & Primetime)
7 - Primetime (beat Outlaws, HHH, Avalanche)
8 - HHH (beat Laxachusettes, Express and played others very tight)

Team Long Island & Rising Sons would be in top 8 but rumor is they lost a ton of talent or disbanded.

Honorable Mention: Outlaws select, Ambush, Legacy

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This is pretty much right on. Avalanche should be in as an honorable mention as well. They Beat Outlaws Select and Ambush.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's be Honest there are 4 Teams that are top notch and everyone else trying to catch them.

1 - Igloo Black Ice (until beaten)
2 - 91 Orange (Spallinas team who beat Express, Primetime, Eclipse & Laxachusettes at NLF last summer).
3 - Icon (beat Crabs & Eclipse 2 weeks ago without their top offensive weapon).
4 - Express Channy (undefeated in Fall)

Next 4 teams

5 - Eclipse (beat Icon, Primetime, 91 Orange, Outlaws Select)
6 - Laxachusettes (beat Express, HHH & Primetime)
7 - Primetime (beat Outlaws, HHH, Avalanche)
8 - HHH (beat Laxachusettes, Express and played others very tight)

Team Long Island & Rising Sons would be in top 8 but rumor is they lost a ton of talent or disbanded.

Honorable Mention: Outlaws select, Ambush, Legacy

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This is pretty much right on. Avalanche should be in as an honorable mention as well. They Beat Outlaws Select and Ambush.


May I ask when Avalanche beat Outlaws select?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's be Honest there are 4 Teams that are top notch and everyone else trying to catch them.

1 - Igloo Black Ice (until beaten)
2 - 91 Orange (Spallinas team who beat Express, Primetime, Eclipse & Laxachusettes at NLF last summer).
3 - Icon (beat Crabs & Eclipse 2 weeks ago without their top offensive weapon).
4 - Express Channy (undefeated in Fall)

Next 4 teams

5 - Eclipse (beat Icon, Primetime, 91 Orange, Outlaws Select)
6 - Laxachusettes (beat Express, HHH & Primetime)
7 - Primetime (beat Outlaws, HHH, Avalanche)
8 - HHH (beat Laxachusettes, Express and played others very tight)

Team Long Island & Rising Sons would be in top 8 but rumor is they lost a ton of talent or disbanded.

Honorable Mention: Outlaws select, Ambush, Legacy

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This is pretty much right on. Avalanche should be in as an honorable mention as well. They Beat Outlaws Select and Ambush.


May I ask when Avalanche beat Outlaws select?


Didn't they beat them at Blatant?
Legacy is not in that group. They got blown out by very good (and big!) ecplipse team 15-1 and 10-3. They also lost to igloo avlalnche. They do practice a lot so maybe they will pull it together in the summer.
It is fall and we will revisit this list at the end of the summer 2016
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's be Honest there are 4 Teams that are top notch and everyone else trying to catch them.

1 - Igloo Black Ice (until beaten)
2 - 91 Orange (Spallinas team who beat Express, Primetime, Eclipse & Laxachusettes at NLF last summer).
3 - Icon (beat Crabs & Eclipse 2 weeks ago without their top offensive weapon).
4 - Express Channy (undefeated in Fall)

Next 4 teams

5 - Eclipse (beat Icon, Primetime, 91 Orange, Outlaws Select)
6 - Laxachusettes (beat Express, HHH & Primetime)
7 - Primetime (beat Outlaws, HHH, Avalanche)
8 - HHH (beat Laxachusettes, Express and played others very tight)

Team Long Island & Rising Sons would be in top 8 but rumor is they lost a ton of talent or disbanded.

Honorable Mention: Outlaws select, Ambush, Legacy

Please post views


This is pretty much right on. Avalanche should be in as an honorable mention as well. They Beat Outlaws Select and Ambush.


May I ask when Avalanche beat Outlaws select?


Didn't they beat them at Blatant?


Outlaws haven't met Avalanche yet, this year or last.

At blatant outlaws played Channy, north and ambush
For the record, GC34 beat the legacy B team, Titans not the A team, Greyhounds. Greyhounds pulled out to let the Titans play because titans tourney at hechshire got cancelled. Since there were no brackets, it wouldn't be fair to have a teams A and B play in same bracket. Unless of course your express and want to embarrass their own b team! Good job!
Anyone know the score of the Channy vs express karwoski score? 100-0 maybe?

Channy did not play them. They had a younger Express team play them. They lost by a lot. Not sure if i was 2022 or 2023 or A or B team. Dont think it was 2022 A team. So probably 2022 B team or 2023 team.

quote=Anonymous]For the record, GC34 beat the legacy B team, Titans not the A team, Greyhounds. Greyhounds pulled out to let the Titans play because titans tourney at hechshire got cancelled. Since there were no brackets, it wouldn't be fair to have a teams A and B play in same bracket. Unless of course your express and want to embarrass their own b team! Good job!
Anyone know the score of the Channy vs express karwoski score? 100-0 maybe? [/quote]
4 - Express Channy (undefeated in Fall)

Didn't Express lose to Igloo-Black Ice this fall?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
4 - Express Channy (undefeated in Fall)

Didn't Express lose to Igloo-Black Ice this fall?


What was the result of Battle by the Bay down in Chesapeake? Both Express and Igloo were there. Overall, which were the top 4-6 teams at that tourney and how close were the games?
Igloo Beat Express 13-10 - close game.

As far as other Teams - there were not other strong Teams at this event. Best (4) Maryland 2021 Teams were at different event that weekend. No particular order: Crabs, Bethesda, Annapolis Hawks, Green Turtle.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo Beat Express 13-10 - close game.

As far as other Teams - there were not other strong Teams at this event. Best (4) Maryland 2021 Teams were at different event that weekend. No particular order: Crabs, Bethesda, Annapolis Hawks, Green Turtle.


I think those 4 were at McDonogh. Any scores from that tourney in the 2021A division?
These four beat up the other teams at McDonough - and played eachother tight, but not a championship format - did not all play eachother:

GT 6 Crabs 5
Bethesda 6 GT 4
Hawks 7 Bethesda 6



So the express 2021 karwoskis team get beat bad by a 2022 B team?
and since they had 30 kids to start and the best 5 either got brought up to chanays team or just left, tells you how crappie of a money grab this is. Poor kids on that team. Seen them play at Columbus day and they are a developmental team being told they are a B team. Typical express money grab
and beat primtime twice.
Who beat Primetime twice?
I agree. The Express Karwoski team is a weak team talent-wise. Having said that, Karwoski does a good job with the team. He's a teacher and a motivator and is good with the boys.
Heard good things about this coach too. However, the question is why would parents allow Express to move talented kids off the B team just to sit on the bench with the A team? If the talented kids did not want to play on the B team the club should not have taken the money and told them to go to another team. Most would have stayed because most of those kids had trouble making teams better than Express B had they stayed together. Instead they made express B into a C or D team by moving off the talented kids and hurt those same kids by putting them on the A team just to sit on the bench. They also hurt the starters on the A team because they now get less reps at practice. There are no winners here. Every kid will suffer from both teams. It does not matter if they stayed with B or moved to the A team or was an original A team player. It is NOT the clubs fault. This is a business so cant blame the club. Parents have to be held accountable for putting up with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. The Express Karwoski team is a weak team talent-wise. Having said that, Karwoski does a good job with the team. He's a teacher and a motivator and is good with the boys.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. The Express Karwoski team is a weak team talent-wise. Having said that, Karwoski does a good job with the team. He's a teacher and a motivator and is good with the boys.


Karwoski needs to show up. Friends kid is on the team and said he was only at two tournaments.

It's to bad that 2nd team use to be really good , guess channy must have pissed off parents and they scattered like pigeons.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. The Express Karwoski team is a weak team talent-wise. Having said that, Karwoski does a good job with the team. He's a teacher and a motivator and is good with the boys.


Karwoski needs to show up. Friends kid is on the team and said he was only at two tournaments.
I do know there was a friendly scrimmage between Avalanche and The Outlaws Select or Black (Not Sure) Some of my PAL football dad's who's kids play on those teams said Outlaws were the more talented team. Thats all I know so if anyone saw the scrimmage go ahead and chime in if that was not the case.

Point is it's early fall lacrosse. These scrimmage/tournaments are a chance for coaches to see their new talent and find the gaps to build team chemistry for the spring. I can imagine that both these teams will be much better this spring/summer as will the rest of the 2021 teams. There is tremendous talent at this age, and I expect this year many of the final games will come down to the last 5 minutes.
Which 12 year olds will be the play the makers? - Who knows?

Finally some of the "Living Vicariously" dad's wont be happy unless I include this:

If I had to bet today the top ranking 2021 Long Island Teams, qualifying, and U13 Champs this summer it would be:

Summer Tournament Matchup Results:

1 Igloo Black Ice (They will lose a game this year though)
2 Icon
3 Express Channy
4 91 Orange
5 Outlaws Select
6 91 Ambush
7 Igloo Avalanche
8 Outlaws Black

Denver Qualifying Tournament Ranking/Results:

1 Icon
2 Igloo Black Ice
3 91 Orange
4 Express Channy

Denver Winner - Express Channy

Happy Holidays!!
Top 8 Should have Avalanche ahead of Ambush based on Avalanche having won by a few goals over Ambush this Fall. Also Ambush tied the Saints 1-1 and Avalanche last year beat the Saints by a lot. Also should have Black Ice winning it all. The top 4 results is out of order. Should be Igloo-Express-91-Icon. (If players play on correct teams order is Igloo-Icon-91-Express).Other than that the list looks correct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I do know there was a friendly scrimmage between Avalanche and The Outlaws Select or Black (Not Sure) Some of my PAL football dad's who's kids play on those teams said Outlaws were the more talented team. Thats all I know so if anyone saw the scrimmage go ahead and chime in if that was not the case.

Point is it's early fall lacrosse. These scrimmage/tournaments are a chance for coaches to see their new talent and find the gaps to build team chemistry for the spring. I can imagine that both these teams will be much better this spring/summer as will the rest of the 2021 teams. There is tremendous talent at this age, and I expect this year many of the final games will come down to the last 5 minutes.
Which 12 year olds will be the play the makers? - Who knows?

Finally some of the "Living Vicariously" dad's wont be happy unless I include this:

If I had to bet today the top ranking 2021 Long Island Teams, qualifying, and U13 Champs this summer it would be:

Summer Tournament Matchup Results:

1 Igloo Black Ice (They will lose a game this year though)
2 Icon
3 Express Channy
4 91 Orange
5 Outlaws Select
6 91 Ambush
7 Igloo Avalanche
8 Outlaws Black

Denver Qualifying Tournament Ranking/Results:

1 Icon
2 Igloo Black Ice
3 91 Orange
4 Express Channy

Denver Winner - Express Channy

Happy Holidays!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I do know there was a friendly scrimmage between Avalanche and The Outlaws Select or Black (Not Sure) Some of my PAL football dad's who's kids play on those teams said Outlaws were the more talented team. Thats all I know so if anyone saw the scrimmage go ahead and chime in if that was not the case.

Point is it's early fall lacrosse. These scrimmage/tournaments are a chance for coaches to see their new talent and find the gaps to build team chemistry for the spring. I can imagine that both these teams will be much better this spring/summer as will the rest of the 2021 teams. There is tremendous talent at this age, and I expect this year many of the final games will come down to the last 5 minutes.
Which 12 year olds will be the play the makers? - Who knows?

Finally some of the "Living Vicariously" dad's wont be happy unless I include this:

If I had to bet today the top ranking 2021 Long Island Teams, qualifying, and U13 Champs this summer it would be:

Summer Tournament Matchup Results:

1 Igloo Black Ice (They will lose a game this year though)
2 Icon
3 Express Channy
4 91 Orange
5 Outlaws Select
6 91 Ambush
7 Igloo Avalanche
8 Outlaws Black

Denver Qualifying Tournament Ranking/Results:

1 Icon
2 Igloo Black Ice
3 91 Orange
4 Express Channy

Denver Winner - Express Channy

Happy Holidays!!


Avalanche Beat 91 Ambush, so they need to be reversed.
Igloo is the Top squad, but will lose a step in WSYL Qualifier and Event - since the attackman from Philly cant be on the roster - due to 100 mile radius restriction.
Igloo still the best even without out of state kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 8 Should have Avalanche ahead of Ambush based on Avalanche having won by a few goals over Ambush this Fall. Also Ambush tied the Saints 1-1 and Avalanche last year beat the Saints by a lot. Also should have Black Ice winning it all. The top 4 results is out of order. Should be Igloo-Express-91-Icon. (If players play on correct teams order is Igloo-Icon-91-Express).Other than that the list looks correct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I do know there was a friendly scrimmage between Avalanche and The Outlaws Select or Black (Not Sure) Some of my PAL football dad's who's kids play on those teams said Outlaws were the more talented team. Thats all I know so if anyone saw the scrimmage go ahead and chime in if that was not the case.

Point is it's early fall lacrosse. These scrimmage/tournaments are a chance for coaches to see their new talent and find the gaps to build team chemistry for the spring. I can imagine that both these teams will be much better this spring/summer as will the rest of the 2021 teams. There is tremendous talent at this age, and I expect this year many of the final games will come down to the last 5 minutes.
Which 12 year olds will be the play the makers? - Who knows?

Finally some of the "Living Vicariously" dad's wont be happy unless I include this:

If I had to bet today the top ranking 2021 Long Island Teams, qualifying, and U13 Champs this summer it would be:

Summer Tournament Matchup Results:

1 Igloo Black Ice (They will lose a game this year though)
2 Icon
3 Express Channy
4 91 Orange
5 Outlaws Select
6 91 Ambush
7 Igloo Avalanche
8 Outlaws Black

Denver Qualifying Tournament Ranking/Results:

1 Icon
2 Igloo Black Ice
3 91 Orange
4 Express Channy

Denver Winner - Express Channy

Happy Holidays!!
Then why did the coach allow an out of state kid to join the team - he must have felt they needed him - and probably displaced a kid that was on squad for a while. The whole notion of having an out of state kid on a youth lacrosse team is silly, but that is a different topic
If only 4 teams qualify from the North for WSYL, then does everyone think all four teams will come from Long Island? No Western New [lacrosse] or Mass. or Conn. teams to challenge the LI supremacy? I would imagine at least one team has a chance to scare one of these teams at the April qualifier. The North division should have a very stacked group of teams. Should be fun to watch.
How does everyone rank all the North regional teams? Western NY, Mass. and Conn. could produce some upsets along the way. Maybe the WSYL allows more than 4 teams qualify from the North region. This may help all the top LI teams qualify.
Since it was only the fall I do agree. If you want to get real silly Ambush should be above Outlaws. I did read somewhere the they beat them 2 out of three times. In my opinion that is how we should measure who is the best. Let all these teams play each other 3 times. Then a good determination can be made. Yet this is a good start. Nice Job
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo still the best even without out of state kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 8 Should have Avalanche ahead of Ambush based on Avalanche having won by a few goals over Ambush this Fall. Also Ambush tied the Saints 1-1 and Avalanche last year beat the Saints by a lot. Also should have Black Ice winning it all. The top 4 results is out of order. Should be Igloo-Express-91-Icon. (If players play on correct teams order is Igloo-Icon-91-Express).Other than that the list looks correct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I do know there was a friendly scrimmage between Avalanche and The Outlaws Select or Black (Not Sure) Some of my PAL football dad's who's kids play on those teams said Outlaws were the more talented team. Thats all I know so if anyone saw the scrimmage go ahead and chime in if that was not the case.

Point is it's early fall lacrosse. These scrimmage/tournaments are a chance for coaches to see their new talent and find the gaps to build team chemistry for the spring. I can imagine that both these teams will be much better this spring/summer as will the rest of the 2021 teams. There is tremendous talent at this age, and I expect this year many of the final games will come down to the last 5 minutes.
Which 12 year olds will be the play the makers? - Who knows?

Finally some of the "Living Vicariously" dad's wont be happy unless I include this:

If I had to bet today the top ranking 2021 Long Island Teams, qualifying, and U13 Champs this summer it would be:

Summer Tournament Matchup Results:

1 Igloo Black Ice (They will lose a game this year though)
2 Icon
3 Express Channy
4 91 Orange
5 Outlaws Select
6 91 Ambush
7 Igloo Avalanche
8 Outlaws Black

Denver Qualifying Tournament Ranking/Results:

1 Icon
2 Igloo Black Ice
3 91 Orange
4 Express Channy

Denver Winner - Express Channy

Happy Holidays!!
This would mean Ambush is ranked Higher than Avalanche too which can not be true on your head to head theory. Also wrong is the teams did not play 3 times which was explained before. Teams like fl$ Legacy, Outlaws and Avalanche don't announce scores like Ambush does. You need more info for any ranking so here is something to consider. Ambush lost to Avalanche 8-3. As someone said above Ambush tied the Saints 1-1 but that same day the Outlaws beat them 12-1 and Avalanche beat Saints by a lot last year. Ambush post all wins here. So we know When they win. They need to win more games against good teams to be considered higher than number 7. When a team has only one win and lost or tied all other teams that the team they beat was able to beat by a lot it makes one wonder if for that one win both teams had full rosters. The ranking are correct with the exception that Legacy and fl$ could fit in somewhere on this list. fl$ made a lot of Changes and on paper they are a top team. So instead of looking up in the rankings you may want to look over your shoulder because there is a lot of talented team not mentioned here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Since it was only the fall I do agree. If you want to get real silly Ambush should be above Outlaws. I did read somewhere the they beat them 2 out of three times. In my opinion that is how we should measure who is the best. Let all these teams play each other 3 times. Then a good determination can be made. Yet this is a good start. Nice Job
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo still the best even without out of state kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 8 Should have Avalanche ahead of Ambush based on Avalanche having won by a few goals over Ambush this Fall. Also Ambush tied the Saints 1-1 and Avalanche last year beat the Saints by a lot. Also should have Black Ice winning it all. The top 4 results is out of order. Should be Igloo-Express-91-Icon. (If players play on correct teams order is Igloo-Icon-91-Express).Other than that the list looks correct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I do know there was a friendly scrimmage between Avalanche and The Outlaws Select or Black (Not Sure) Some of my PAL football dad's who's kids play on those teams said Outlaws were the more talented team. Thats all I know so if anyone saw the scrimmage go ahead and chime in if that was not the case.

Point is it's early fall lacrosse. These scrimmage/tournaments are a chance for coaches to see their new talent and find the gaps to build team chemistry for the spring. I can imagine that both these teams will be much better this spring/summer as will the rest of the 2021 teams. There is tremendous talent at this age, and I expect this year many of the final games will come down to the last 5 minutes.
Which 12 year olds will be the play the makers? - Who knows?

Finally some of the "Living Vicariously" dad's wont be happy unless I include this:

If I had to bet today the top ranking 2021 Long Island Teams, qualifying, and U13 Champs this summer it would be:

Summer Tournament Matchup Results:

1 Igloo Black Ice (They will lose a game this year though)
2 Icon
3 Express Channy
4 91 Orange
5 Outlaws Select
6 91 Ambush
7 Igloo Avalanche
8 Outlaws Black

Denver Qualifying Tournament Ranking/Results:

1 Icon
2 Igloo Black Ice
3 91 Orange
4 Express Channy

Denver Winner - Express Channy

Happy Holidays!!
There will absolutely be non-LI teams that make it in my opinion. Laxachussetts Black was one of the strongest teams last summer and both Primetime and Eclipse picked up a lot of new talent this year that strengthens their teams considerably. One thing is for sure, watching the qualifiers is going to be fun.
Good luck beating Igloo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
There will absolutely be non-LI teams that make it in my opinion. Laxachussetts Black was one of the strongest teams last summer and both Primetime and Eclipse picked up a lot of new talent this year that strengthens their teams considerably. One thing is for sure, watching the qualifiers is going to be fun.
These predictions are MY end of summer predictions and have nothing to do with who has played who already this fall or last year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These predictions are MY end of summer predictions and have nothing to do with who has played who already this fall or last year.


I predict that your predictions will demonstrate that you have no idea what you are writing about.
Eclipse has one or two more players who are going to show up this spring that will push them over the top. The team split 1-1 with Channy this fall, and with at least one more stud that we hear is going to join, I think they may be headed to Denver.

Eclipse split with Icon. Icon lost first game and won in finals. Express Channy beat Eclipse both times they played this Fall.


]Eclipse has one or two more players who are going to show up this spring that will push them over the top. The team split 1-1 with Channy this fall, and with at least one more stud that we hear is going to join, I think they may be headed to Denver.
Let's tell the whole truth, Express beat Eclipse with the assistance of two top Icon players. Eclipse was winning in both games and lost 7-6 & 7-5 to Express Channy. Eclipse was missing several players and Express had extra talented players. This Spring and Summer will be fun.
Omg! Enough with this two talented icon players! There is only one!
Only going on what I read
If express makes it to denver and icon doesn't i am sure mc will have the icon player on his roster..lol
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Then why did the coach allow an out of state kid to join the team - he must have felt they needed him - and probably displaced a kid that was on squad for a while. The whole notion of having an out of state kid on a youth lacrosse team is silly, but that is a different topic
Because he's probably the best 7th grader out there. I'm sure he will be back next year
Cant change roster after qualifier.
What out of state kid? Where is he from?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Then why did the coach allow an out of state kid to join the team - he must have felt they needed him - and probably displaced a kid that was on squad for a while. The whole notion of having an out of state kid on a youth lacrosse team is silly, but that is a different topic
Because he's probably the best 7th grader out there. I'm sure he will be back next year
Out of state is not the issue, over 99 miles is the issue.
Do you people have lives?
Do you people have lives?

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black???
We are all the same its winter time and we are on a lax blog. It's just conversation.
kid is from outside Philadelphia and not eligible to play for them in wsyl - no way around that - and he is their best attackman by far
Originally Posted by Anonymous
kid is from outside Philadelphia and not eligible to play for them in wsyl - no way around that - and he is their best attackman by far


You are sadly Mistaken and misinformed ........ Good Luck see ya there
Kid is not eligible outside 100 miles but AA did play w 2020 kids last year as we all know
Was on Rising Sons last year - everyone in philly knows the name. world is too small on this club circuit for anyone to get away with much
How far outside of Philly is he? Philly isnt much more than 100 miles from the island
Not sure how he can play, it is more than 100 miles for sure. Why have the rule if you aren't going to follow it?
Glen cove to Philly NOT in the 100 mile range
Philly to Syosset is 135 miles.
Heard may use a Long Island address. Maybe rules should be from school attended if different address used.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Philly to Syosset is 135 miles.

Plus he attends practices. So he is full time with the team. Not a ringer brought in just for the tournament.

LOL. School report card is used as proof of residence. Does he go to school in Hicksville also? The lacrosse community should expect this young man to play for Igloo in the qualifier and in Denver. Igloo has circumvented tournament rules since it's inception. Why should this year be any different?
Report card! The rules in place by WSYL are for this exact instance It will be exposed
If the kid plays - they will forfeit games and have a huge mess on their hands. They are smarter than that - and have a great team - would expect he would just sit out of this event. Having him play would be a huge mistake - sure parents on team know that too and would not want to risk.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the kid plays - they will forfeit games and have a huge mess on their hands. They are smarter than that - and have a great team - would expect he would just sit out of this event. Having him play would be a huge mistake - sure parents on team know that too and would not want to risk.

Who is this? Why are you creating turmoil? Your kid got cut???
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Plus he attends practices. So he is full time with the team. Not a ringer brought in just for the tournament.


If this was last year, I may believe this. But this team, and player knew they would be going to the WSYL. Don't think for 1 minute that didn't affect their decision to drive 130 miles to play with a team. That is the ONLY reason he is on that team. Again, if this was last year (before anyone knew about the ESPN coverage, I may believe it, not now)
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Plus he attends practices. So he is full time with the team. Not a ringer brought in just for the tournament.
The idea is to make it to the tournament? From what I have read in other threads the Crabs made tournament but the group they took were missing a few ineligible players. Could be similar here. Otherwise I would suspect the mileage thing will be changed or worked out, or they have it figured out already.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard may use a Long Island address. Maybe rules should be from school attended if different address used.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Philly to Syosset is 135 miles.


135 is driving distance. Philly to Syosset is 105/106 miles on a straight line and there are some parts of town that might sneak in under 100 miles. I bet you they figured that out already.
Malvern pa. to Syosset LI is 150 miles NOT going to make it under 100/
It is amazing how stupid you sound calling out a 7th grader on a anonymous board and actually going on google maps to try to determine the distance from PA to NY.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is amazing how stupid you sound calling out a 7th grader on a anonymous board and actually going on google maps to try to determine the distance from PA to NY.


Lol, that's a funny post!
Think the parents are getting called out as well as a director that has broken many rules in the past so not that mazing
You are making a lot of assumptions on people's motives sitting behind ananymous keyboard - thinking up conspiracies and playing detective.

Simply put - you sound stupid and disgruntled about something.
Do people really care who wins the 2016 WSYL? We are talking about 7th graders playing a sport most of them love. As a parent enjoy the ride (win or lose)and soak up all the fantastic moments watching your son play the best sport on two feet. Embrace the brotherhood that lacrosse prompts and lead by example for these young kids. Since most of these 7th graders will not play high school lacrosse and almost none of them will play college lacrosse, this is the best its gonna get for most of these kids. Instead of worrying about what one team from Long Island will or will not do, please sit back and watch your son run around with his friends playing a sport he loves.
most of these kids wont play high school lax? Really? the people who are on this thread and are concerned about the wsyl have kids on the top teams on the island and in the region. while it is true that some playing 7th grade travel will drop the sport to think that most will seems a little crazy. I agree that the focus on this tournament is absurd and traveling a hundred miles to join a team in a different state is insane. but this is what elite levels of any sport do.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
most of these kids wont play high school lax? Really? the people who are on this thread and are concerned about the wsyl have kids on the top teams on the island and in the region. while it is true that some playing 7th grade travel will drop the sport to think that most will seems a little crazy. I agree that the focus on this tournament is absurd and traveling a hundred miles to join a team in a different state is insane. but this is what elite levels of any sport do.

No, it's not what children do. Only loser parents who drag their kids 100 miles do. The kid will grow up dropping out of college and pumping gas for my kids Aston Martin.
STUPID POST
Funny post about your Aston Martin - Successful business men usually don't call out 7th graders on an anonymous board at 11:30pm. You are probably the fat guy who probably never played competitive sports and is trolling porn sites in between to coming to this site.
I doubt these post are coming from those who had kids cut. I would bet post are coming from parents or coaches from teams that will have to play Igloo and just want to make sure no rules are broke. Igloo does not need this kid to win. It would have been nice to see Igoo play and win with an all Long Island team. However, Long Island teams will be at a disadvantage with the June 1 cut off date. Other states have kids this age regularly playing on rosters and I'm sure the four teams from Long Island don't becuase of the 12/1 school cut off so maybe adding players from far away is a way to even the playing field. Either way I'm sure rules will be enforced for this event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the kid plays - they will forfeit games and have a huge mess on their hands. They are smarter than that - and have a great team - would expect he would just sit out of this event. Having him play would be a huge mistake - sure parents on team know that too and would not want to risk.

Who is this? Why are you creating turmoil? Your kid got cut???
You should be allowed to play for any club anywhere if you want to--its not town ball. Its pay to play and if you are good enough and want to play and train with what you believe to be the best why shouldn't you be able to do that no matter what the travel inconvenience is imposed on yourself??? No horse in the race. just my opinion.
Forget about the issue of "relassing" for a second, which should not have hit 2021 yet.

Obviously, it stinks for NY teams how almost all strong single-year teams from outside NY are loaded with kids that started kindergarten late, i.e., older than 9/1.

I'd say it matters more for 2021's now than any other year. Many boys start puberty around 12-13.

If you compare a 9/1 or 12/1 compliant 2021 team that was formed back in, say, 4th grade based on skill and athleticism to a team formed in 2015 based on who is hitting puberty early and loaded with pre-9/1 kids, you end up with huge size differences on the field. This is really more of an observation than a complaint, but it is hard to blame a LI 2021 team from trying to add some size (and I have no idea if this describes Igloo) when competing nationally.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You should be allowed to play for any club anywhere if you want to--its not town ball. Its pay to play and if you are good enough and want to play and train with what you believe to be the best why shouldn't you be able to do that no matter what the travel inconvenience is imposed on yourself??? No horse in the race. just my opinion.
Free agency for all, 1 day or 1 tournament contracts
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You should be allowed to play for any club anywhere if you want to--its not town ball. Its pay to play and if you are good enough and want to play and train with what you believe to be the best why shouldn't you be able to do that no matter what the travel inconvenience is imposed on yourself??? No horse in the race. just my opinion.
Free agency for all, 1 day or 1 tournament contracts


Agreed, the only thing I believe should not be allowed is playing for more than 1 team in the same tournament
Rules are rules and the igloo has to play without this kid and if they play with him - everyone will know. They will still likely win - so highly doubtful They would risk forfeit over rules violation.
Rules are rules and everyone knows the rules - no excuses for once.
What happen tired of trolling the web for porn sites - back on here to talk to us about "Rules". Rules are the rules smile Now you sound like a little kid at a board game with his sister.

Well if a 6th grader who plays on an 8th grade team wants to play on a 5th grade team that plays up in a 6th or even 7th grade bracket would that be considered cheating ? I am sure someone would find a way to challenge that scenerio .
You people only complain about rules when it's an inconvenience or a threat to your sons team winning streak. Coming on here and planting a seed that will continue all the way through in hopes of banishing this kids is worthless , find better things to do when your home instead of trolling on here , like being a good parent wipe off your lacrosse salivating face and spend some quality time with your family , which includes going cold turkey from lacrosee for the eve .



quote=Anonymous]You should be allowed to play for any club anywhere if you want to--its not town ball. Its pay to play and if you are good enough and want to play and train with what you believe to be the best why shouldn't you be able to do that no matter what the travel inconvenience is imposed on yourself??? No horse in the race. just my opinion. [/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well if a 6th grader who plays on an 8th grade team wants to play on a 5th grade team that plays up in a 6th or even 7th grade bracket would that be considered cheating ? I am sure someone would find a way to challenge that scenerio .
You people only complain about rules when it's an inconvenience or a threat to your sons team winning streak. Coming on here and planting a seed that will continue all the way through in hopes of banishing this kids is worthless , find better things to do when your home instead of trolling on here , like being a good parent wipe off your lacrosse salivating face and spend some quality time with your family , which includes going cold turkey from lacrosee for the eve .



quote=Anonymous]You should be allowed to play for any club anywhere if you want to--its not town ball. Its pay to play and if you are good enough and want to play and train with what you believe to be the best why shouldn't you be able to do that no matter what the travel inconvenience is imposed on yourself??? No horse in the race. just my opinion.
[/quote]


It's cheating when you are supposed to be in 8th grade but masquerade as a 6th grader. Then play 8th grade where you are supposed to be and claim you are playing up. Terrible if you are playing on a 5th grade team playing up, because that just makes you a cheater. All while your dad decries the holdback! Can't make this stuff up, but sounds like a great made for tv special!
Sanctimonious jerk. We are all on here for the same reason we love lax and can't get enough of it. If you don't like the conversation stay away.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well if a 6th grader who plays on an 8th grade team wants to play on a 5th grade team that plays up in a 6th or even 7th grade bracket would that be considered cheating ? I am sure someone would find a way to challenge that scenerio .
You people only complain about rules when it's an inconvenience or a threat to your sons team winning streak. Coming on here and planting a seed that will continue all the way through in hopes of banishing this kids is worthless , find better things to do when your home instead of trolling on here , like being a good parent wipe off your lacrosse salivating face and spend some quality time with your family , which includes going cold turkey from lacrosee for the eve .



quote=Anonymous]You should be allowed to play for any club anywhere if you want to--its not town ball. Its pay to play and if you are good enough and want to play and train with what you believe to be the best why shouldn't you be able to do that no matter what the travel inconvenience is imposed on yourself??? No horse in the race. just my opinion.



It's cheating when you are supposed to be in 8th grade but masquerade as a 6th grader. Then play 8th grade where you are supposed to be and claim you are playing up. Terrible if you are playing on a 5th grade team playing up, because that just makes you a cheater. All while your dad decries the holdback! Can't make this stuff up, but sounds like a great made for tv special![/quote]

Before you post you should have your facts straight because your ignorance speaks louder than words.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well if a 6th grader who plays on an 8th grade team wants to play on a 5th grade team that plays up in a 6th or even 7th grade bracket would that be considered cheating ? I am sure someone would find a way to challenge that scenerio .
You people only complain about rules when it's an inconvenience or a threat to your sons team winning streak. Coming on here and planting a seed that will continue all the way through in hopes of banishing this kids is worthless , find better things to do when your home instead of trolling on here , like being a good parent wipe off your lacrosse salivating face and spend some quality time with your family , which includes going cold turkey from lacrosee for the eve .



quote=Anonymous]You should be allowed to play for any club anywhere if you want to--its not town ball. Its pay to play and if you are good enough and want to play and train with what you believe to be the best why shouldn't you be able to do that no matter what the travel inconvenience is imposed on yourself??? No horse in the race. just my opinion.



It's cheating when you are supposed to be in 8th grade but masquerade as a 6th grader. Then play 8th grade where you are supposed to be and claim you are playing up. Terrible if you are playing on a 5th grade team playing up, because that just makes you a cheater. All while your dad decries the holdback! Can't make this stuff up, but sounds like a great made for tv special!


Before you post you should have your facts straight because your ignorance speaks louder than words. [/quote]

What is it that I am mistaken about? If I'm getting this wrong, please clear up the facts for me. I am just about transparency. Lacrosse has become too much about secrets, favors, and cheating.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well if a 6th grader who plays on an 8th grade team wants to play on a 5th grade team that plays up in a 6th or even 7th grade bracket would that be considered cheating ? I am sure someone would find a way to challenge that scenerio .
You people only complain about rules when it's an inconvenience or a threat to your sons team winning streak. Coming on here and planting a seed that will continue all the way through in hopes of banishing this kids is worthless , find better things to do when your home instead of trolling on here , like being a good parent wipe off your lacrosse salivating face and spend some quality time with your family , which includes going cold turkey from lacrosee for the eve .



quote=Anonymous]You should be allowed to play for any club anywhere if you want to--its not town ball. Its pay to play and if you are good enough and want to play and train with what you believe to be the best why shouldn't you be able to do that no matter what the travel inconvenience is imposed on yourself??? No horse in the race. just my opinion.



It's cheating when you are supposed to be in 8th grade but masquerade as a 6th grader. Then play 8th grade where you are supposed to be and claim you are playing up. Terrible if you are playing on a 5th grade team playing up, because that just makes you a cheater. All while your dad decries the holdback! Can't make this stuff up, but sounds like a great made for tv special! [/quote]

LOL, now that is funny!
The boy you are trying to degrade is 12 years old (fact) clearly Not the age of an 8th grader which I'm sure you are aware of although it's easier to just say stuff. He is in 6th grade would of been very young in Kindergarten and parents elected to start him following year. Yes he plays up and always has which is why when he plays near his actual age people spew nonsense because of the talent level. I will be transparent that I once shared your view point on this but did something different and got the facts and got this first hand . This should help enlighten you. The Attacks on kids from adults with no facts is disappointing. Enjoy your day
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The boy you are trying to degrade is 12 years old (fact) clearly Not the age of an 8th grader which I'm sure you are aware of although it's easier to just say stuff. He is in 6th grade would of been very young in Kindergarten and parents elected to start him following year. Yes he plays up and always has which is why when he plays near his actual age people spew nonsense because of the talent level. I will be transparent that I once shared your view point on this but did something different and got the facts and got this first hand . This should help enlighten you. The Attacks on kids from adults with no facts is disappointing. Enjoy your day


but when the 5th grade coach never takes the player off the field when his team plays up, its not a true testament of the team winning playing up. The player is the same age. It leaves you wide open for criticism especially when people use it to bring the other team down. How can you lose to a team a grade younger is what the other team hears. Its fair game for criticism. Its not an attack on the player its an observation about coaching to win. It has its upside and downside. Enjoy your day.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The boy you are trying to degrade is 12 years old (fact) clearly Not the age of an 8th grader which I'm sure you are aware of although it's easier to just say stuff. He is in 6th grade would of been very young in Kindergarten and parents elected to start him following year. Yes he plays up and always has which is why when he plays near his actual age people spew nonsense because of the talent level. I will be transparent that I once shared your view point on this but did something different and got the facts and got this first hand . This should help enlighten you. The Attacks on kids from adults with no facts is disappointing. Enjoy your day


I'm not putting the kid down. He is a great player with more support than most recieved to ensure his success. Soo... he should really be in 7th. When he plays on an 8th grade team, that's playing up. And to be commended. I still don't agree with a 7th grade age kid playing on a 5th, or 6th grade team. That would be an unfair advantage. This is clearly not the only case of this happening. Plenty of people playing the system! Age based is what needs to happen in youth lacrosse.
YOU ALL REALLY NEED TO GET A LIFE !!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
YOU ALL REALLY NEED TO GET A LIFE !!


No, people need to stop gaming the system especially at these young ages. it's all about winning and the kids know it and feel it. it's a shame. these are the developmental years. recruiting starts way too early. where is the fun in all of this? for the kids, that is.
Congrats to the faceoff player from 91 Orange as he dominated the 2021 fogos at the FOA Showcase and winning the Championship. Makes me think they are in great shape for the spring & summer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to the faceoff player from 91 Orange as he dominated the 2021 fogos at the FOA Showcase and winning the Championship. Makes me think they are in great shape for the spring & summer.


Thanks dad! Guy made about 80,000 off thus event. Only problem. ...many of the best didn't go because it was a money grab! What actually matters with this position, especially now, is teamwork!
Yea money grab to be instructed by the best group,of face off instructors in the sport and compete in front of a hundred college coaches Jealous venom
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yea money grab to be instructed by the best group,of face off instructors in the sport and compete in front of a hundred college coaches Jealous venom


Not jealous, no horse in the race, just sad to see kids buying into this hype! You can't be the best, when the best aren't there. Let's call it what it is, a glorified clinic. And congrats to your kid, still a great acomplishhment. I just think the price tag is a little crazy!
80k? Yeah right. More like $280k They brought in $500,000 how high do you think his expenses were? Probably made more
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to the faceoff player from 91 Orange as he dominated the 2021 fogos at the FOA Showcase and winning the Championship. Makes me think they are in great shape for the spring & summer.


Thanks dad! Guy made about 80,000 off thus event. Only problem. ...many of the best didn't go because it was a money grab! What actually matters with this position, especially now, is teamwork!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
80k? Yeah right. More like $280k They brought in $500,000 how high do you think his expenses were? Probably made more
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to the faceoff player from 91 Orange as he dominated the 2021 fogos at the FOA Showcase and winning the Championship. Makes me think they are in great shape for the spring & summer.


Thanks dad! Guy made about 80,000 off thus event. Only problem. ...many of the best didn't go because it was a money grab! What actually matters with this position, especially now, is teamwork!


400 plus per participant 200 kids. Yes, expenses, but major payday!
Well guess what it's invite only evaluated by the best ! So yes the best were there the best isn't what you think is the best
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well guess what it's invite only evaluated by the best ! So yes the best were there the best isn't what you think is the best


Invite if you have the$$ 200 of the best alone speaks to how "selective" it is. Some of last years winners didn't even return because they know it means little.
DELETED, Nuff said
Originally Posted by Anonymous
DELETED Nuff said


Maybe DELETED said
You people are bitter. Grow up- he was the best there- period. You can't be a champion if not there and he won. Period. Congrats to all the kids that worked hard and won. You deserve accolades, not trashing.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You people are bitter. Grow up- he was the best there- period. You can't be a champion if not there and he won. Period. Congrats to all the kids that worked hard and won. You deserve accolades, not trashing.



Thank you. Finally, a decent post.
Not trashing the kid, he is very good, as are many others that may not have been able to pay 400 dolLars to show that. I'm just against the money grab aspect of it. But then again, I guess that's what youth lax has become. You get invited, then exorbitant fees are charged so someone can profit off the backs of these kids, some of which may not be able to afford it
I am a dad but not the kids dad but a dad of another competitor. I posted it because it was well deserved and he is the champion of 2021. Lacrosse has been a tight nit community over the years. And should remain that way. after the competition we all respect each other and usually get along. Don't diminish a 12 year olds achievement because you probably never won anything. It is very clear this young man works hard at his craft and also the competition was very good.
Originally Posted by Tycotian
I am a dad but not the kids dad but a dad of another competitor. I posted it because it was well deserved and he is the champion of 2021. Lacrosse has been a tight nit community over the years. And should remain that way. after the competition we all respect each other and usually get along. Don't diminish a 12 year olds achievement because you probably never won anything. It is very clear this young man works hard at his craft and also the competition was very good.

Well said. The true competitors root for the other teams that they have mutual respect for. I'm not sure who the kid is, but one kid from 91 Orange I route for all the time. He is an excellent player, a great kid, and even though he isn't on my son's team, they have become friends through mutual friends. I hope he is the champ. I also pull for teams my son's team has lost to. They are 12 year old kids, and except for the true cheaters, I respect all of the teams out there.
What teams are registered for WSYL so far?
Very Quiet here
Big NEWS COMING SOON ...... REAL SOON GONNA SHOCK THE 2021 age group and WSYL
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Big NEWS COMING SOON ...... REAL SOON GONNA SHOCK THE 2021 age group and WSYL


Ok, come on genius, tell us your pipe dream.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Big NEWS COMING SOON ...... REAL SOON GONNA SHOCK THE 2021 age group and WSYL
Merger?
I would bet top 2020 team playing younger kids with 2021 AA team but that is just a guess.
IS THIS TRUE?? JS IS UP TO HIS OLD TRICKS AGAIN ?
I'm sure that he is up to something. I guess they don't think the current team can be a contender
Originally Posted by Anonymous
IS THIS TRUE?? JS IS UP TO HIS OLD TRICKS AGAIN ?
Would make sense tho by summer many Crush kids will be committed even tho the player is a top player on Crush no one is committing a 2022. 2021 is his age and his uncle is coach. Weird scenario kid Has played up for entire time of crush. I've seen him w Crush and he is incredible would be a game changer with 2021 91. Regardless it's his age and below his grade so nothing to complain about Lacrosse is a team sport so while one player esp him could swing a team doesn't mean they will be best. Igloo has been together as a team for a long time and are a full team
Oh how you people have not seen anything yet. No one is a game changer from 8/9 grade on. The game slows down and balances out. Even the Crush run and gun MLL style of play will slow down.
What teams going to WSYL Qualifier
you obviously do not pay attention to college lacrosse
It's coming the news is coming January 19th we will drop it
Who is "we"? Do you have a turd in your pocket?
well 91 is now in Maryland so they learned the ins and outs of how they do it there!
Crush merged with Blaze for qualifying tournaments and will be playing the younger 8th grade appropriate kids to ensure they come out on top when in Denver.. not a secret .. just hoping on the bandwagon like other programs do. Hows that gonna sit with those 7th blaze graders who will be bumped aside JS style!


Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's coming the news is coming January 19th we will drop it
91 is probably doing this to counter what Igloo is doing. Igloo is planning on playing with a kid that is over 100 miles from their field. At least 91 is playing within the rules, Igloo is breaking them
Originally Posted by Anonymous
well 91 is now in Maryland so they learned the ins and outs of how they do it there!
Crush merged with Blaze for qualifying tournaments and will be playing the younger 8th grade appropriate kids to ensure they come out on top when in Denver.. not a secret .. just hoping on the bandwagon like other programs do. Hows that gonna sit with those 7th blaze graders who will be bumped aside JS style!


Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's coming the news is coming January 19th we will drop it


This is not true. 8th graders can not play in the WSYL no matter what their birthdate is. Stop trying to create controversy.

Really????
The word reclassified is very common.. ask the crabs how the pulled it off..


quote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
well 91 is now in Maryland so they learned the ins and outs of how they do it there!
Crush merged with Blaze for qualifying tournaments and will be playing the younger 8th grade appropriate kids to ensure they come out on top when in Denver.. not a secret .. just hoping on the bandwagon like other programs do. Hows that gonna sit with those 7th blaze graders who will be bumped aside JS style!


Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's coming the news is coming January 19th we will drop it


This is not true. 8th graders can not play in the WSYL no matter what their birthdate is. Stop trying to create controversy.
[/quote]
I will let someone correct me if I am wrong, BUT the WSYL eligibility rules USED to require each U.S. player to have just finished 7th grade. I just checked that that is NO longer a requirement.

In addition, the rule on having to be a "real" member of the team now has the following guidance: "Minimum requirements are that players must compete with their team/program for at least two other tournaments or in a seasonal league. These events do not need to precede the qualifier but must precede the Championship event."

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I will let someone correct me if I am wrong, BUT the WSYL eligibility rules USED to require each U.S. player to have just finished 7th grade. I just checked that that is NO longer a requirement.

In addition, the rule on having to be a "real" member of the team now has the following guidance: "Minimum requirements are that players must compete with their team/program for at least two other tournaments or in a seasonal league. These events do not need to precede the qualifier but must precede the Championship event."

Free agents for all
I guess JS is feeling bad that his whole team didn't see the field last year and now wants to give them an opportunity. Oh that's right now he needs them to win unlike last year, knowing that the 2021 team can not win?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
well 91 is now in Maryland so they learned the ins and outs of how they do it there!
Crush merged with Blaze for qualifying tournaments and will be playing the younger 8th grade appropriate kids to ensure they come out on top when in Denver.. not a secret .. just hoping on the bandwagon like other programs do. Hows that gonna sit with those 7th blaze graders who will be bumped aside JS style!


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It's coming the news is coming January 19th we will drop it
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I will let someone correct me if I am wrong, BUT the WSYL eligibility rules USED to require each U.S. player to have just finished 7th grade. I just checked that that is NO longer a requirement.

In addition, the rule on having to be a "real" member of the team now has the following guidance: "Minimum requirements are that players must compete with their team/program for at least two other tournaments or in a seasonal league. These events do not need to precede the qualifier but must precede the Championship event."



Sounds like they took grade-based and threw it out the window. But then again, it is age-based! – and the age vs grade debate continues.

Once again we will have age-based and grade-based team match ups with absolutely no governance. Tourney's everywhere will be tilts. What will the club directors do for tryouts for 2016-17. Will they be age or grade based? Will tourney brackets now be A, AA, WSYL? Will WSYL be the new governance?

My True2021 son has a summer of 2003 birthday, and is one of the top players on his current elite 2021 team. Will he now be an untouchable stud when placed on the age-based WSYL team for 2017 if grade will no longer matter?

ALSO: 4. No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.

Is that the Championship tourney only? We need clarification if the 'tournament' includes the Qualifiers as well.

So, for example, Express/Icon, Outlaws/Sweetlax, 3d/fl$, Crabs/Big4, - any two teams, you name it - can technically transfer players back and forth during the year (really for only two tourneys on 'off' weekends the way Express/Icon did this fall)? Then, the better team gets a safety net plus a major boost in the championship tourney roster by pulling kids over from the other team that did not make it through the qualifier. After all those kids played two tourneys together.

The implications of this may be very destructive. (unless everything goes age, which we know it will not)

Hmmm, I wonder how National Lacrosse Federation is going to play this one! "Hey Laxachusetts, sorry you didn't make it through, but since we're fellow NLF members, do you mind if we borrow a few players to play with 91 (or Express, Big4, Crabs, Leading Edge) to make an uberteam and destroy competition. Your kids will get exposure, it'll keep our brand going and the college coaches in our pockets. We'll take care of you next year if we don't make it, but sshhh, nobody needs to know that. Let's just monopolize the sport, reap the rewards and keep it amongst ourselves. NLF all the way baby! Heeheehee-hahaha." (twist of mustache madness here)

WSYL may lose all credibility...or begin to govern by taking the sport by the horns and level the playing field.

But of course, the organizations that take advantage of these rules and loopholes will bring this sport to it's knees. They're probably the same teams that roster the private school holdbacks, or create a Survivor-like alliance similar to NLF.

IMO
My sons club coach has floated the idea of holding back my son because he hasn't hit his growth spurt yet and is one of the smaller kids on the field. He said the recruiting for a kid his age (7th grade, 12 years) will start soon and he won't get a second look. He said he regrets no holding his son back when he had the chance.

Has anyone else been encouraged to do the same?

Signed, Shocked and incredulous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My sons club coach has floated the idea of holding back my son because he hasn't hit his growth spurt yet and is one of the smaller kids on the field. He said the recruiting for a kid his age (7th grade, 12 years) will start soon and he won't get a second look. He said he regrets no holding his son back when he had the chance.

Has anyone else been encouraged to do the same?

Signed, Shocked and incredulous


It must have been the same coach/director that mentioned that in passing to me as well (and my son was one of the bigger kids!). 'Just come to a practice of the grade level below, and watch him dominate. There are also other ways to do it to, you know...'

That's one reason we left the organization and my son is much happier.

For someone to say a second chance won't come to a seventh grader is a bit ridiculous. Actually, the second chance will probably not come from the coach/director because he has other agendas on his mind. Stick out the season if you have to, then leave.

That's why you will see many crush kids in the mix with Blaze during the course of the next 6-7 months . If you people think it's all about grade only your dead wrong, the times have changed . JS is setting the rules everywhere he goes , tournament directors will bend rules just like dicks did with cutoff date.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I will let someone correct me if I am wrong, BUT the WSYL eligibility rules USED to require each U.S. player to have just finished 7th grade. I just checked that that is NO longer a requirement.

In addition, the rule on having to be a "real" member of the team now has the following guidance: "Minimum requirements are that players must compete with their team/program for at least two other tournaments or in a seasonal league. These events do not need to precede the qualifier but must precede the Championship event."

Free agents for all
Come on read the rules must be within 100 miles which is why the sons player can NOT participate w Igloo.
Funny how JS got the rules changed and left that one. Complete joke
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Come on read the rules must be within 100 miles which is why the sons player can NOT participate w Igloo.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Come on read the rules must be within 100 miles which is why the sons player can NOT participate w Igloo.


That's a shame because he is no longer with sons and has been with igloo since the tryout regardless of zip code. Complain all you want but his parents are willing to make that drive in order for their son to play on a great team. He is not a ringer brought in just for the tournament.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's why you will see many crush kids in the mix with Blaze during the course of the next 6-7 months . If you people think it's all about grade only your dead wrong, the times have changed . JS is setting the rules everywhere he goes , tournament directors will bend rules just like dicks did with cutoff date.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I will let someone correct me if I am wrong, BUT the WSYL eligibility rules USED to require each U.S. player to have just finished 7th grade. I just checked that that is NO longer a requirement.

In addition, the rule on having to be a "real" member of the team now has the following guidance: "Minimum requirements are that players must compete with their team/program for at least two other tournaments or in a seasonal league. These events do not need to precede the qualifier but must precede the Championship event."

Free agents for all


Re we talking about the Blaze from Oceanside or Rochester? If Rochester then the 100 mile rule applies.
Not the Blaze from Oceanside.
You suggesting him changing the rules?! Wouldn't matter his son fits in age and is a grade younger. Sounds like your looking for someone to blame. Took initiative and spoke w Aloha office NO ONE Higher than 7th grade and within the age limit. Lower grades are permitted so the rules haven't changed one bit. So let's complain about something different.
Rules haven't changes from last year. That's why report cards and birth certificate are mandatory
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rules haven't changes from last year. That's why report cards and birth certificate are mandatory


There is no mention of grade. It is all u13 with a 5/2002 cutoff.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's why you will see many crush kids in the mix with Blaze during the course of the next 6-7 months . If you people think it's all about grade only your dead wrong, the times have changed . JS is setting the rules everywhere he goes , tournament directors will bend rules just like dicks did with cutoff date.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I will let someone correct me if I am wrong, BUT the WSYL eligibility rules USED to require each U.S. player to have just finished 7th grade. I just checked that that is NO longer a requirement.

In addition, the rule on having to be a "real" member of the team now has the following guidance: "Minimum requirements are that players must compete with their team/program for at least two other tournaments or in a seasonal league. These events do not need to precede the qualifier but must precede the Championship event."

Free agents for all


Re we talking about the Blaze from Oceanside or Rochester? If Rochester then the 100 mile rule applies.


91's 2021 AA team was orange, last year Heat, this year Blaze, for clarification.
That's why I called also why report cards are mandatory
Rules have changed.

From WSYL:

I hope you had a wonderful holiday. Thanks again for your support of the World Series of Youth Lacrosse. We look forward to your participation in what is shaping up to be a very strong regional qualifier round throughout the country.

Over the past few months we have received very helpful feedback from each of you that we have used and will continue to use to make sure we provide the most fun, safe and fair format for all of your players and the rest of the WSYL participants. One particular bit of feedback that we often receive relates to the merits of enforcing both age- and grade-based restrictions on player eligibility. From the outset of WSYL’s conception, our intention was to create a purely aged based event. At the request of participating teams in our inaugural year we added the grade restriction to keep teams together. We are finding that, as we grow and try to be more inclusive, the grade restriction is prohibiting a number of age eligible players from competing in this special event. Age and grade conventions can vary drastically from state to state and region to region, so this restriction can negatively impact some teams more than others based solely on the school districts of their players. For these reasons we have decided to drop the 2021 graduating year restriction in lieu of an age-based-only cutoff (born on or after 5/1/2002). We will continue to require birth certificates for all players to make sure that this rule is strictly enforced. We feel that this slight modification should make the eligibility rules the most fair and transparent for all participants not only for all of the U.S. teams, but also for the international participants, which follow entirely different conventions altogether.

While it likely that this modification will have no impact for most of you, please let us know if you have any questions or would like to discuss further.

We look forward to seeing you in April! Happy New Year!

Best,
Ray Schulmeyer


President
World Series of Youth Lacrosse
So again .. you people are clueless . Blaze/Crush .2016 .

To the Blaze 1st , 2nd and 3rd string parents , it's never to late to jump ship .
Thank you. No just make it 9/1 and you will have a lgetimate age based tournament pitting kids with in 15 months of each others birthdays as opposed to 18mos. please consider.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Come on read the rules must be within 100 miles which is why the sons player can NOT participate w Igloo.


That's a shame because he is no longer with sons and has been with igloo since the tryout regardless of zip code. Complain all you want but his parents are willing to make that drive in order for their son to play on a great team. He is not a ringer brought in just for the tournament.


I "might" believe this boy joined Igloo to be part of the WSYL, IF he had been a part of Igloo prior to knowing about this tournament. However, I would be that is the ONLY reason they are driving over 3 hours to be on a team
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So again .. you people are clueless . Blaze/Crush .2016 .

To the Blaze 1st , 2nd and 3rd string parents , it's never to late to jump ship .


Sure they dropped the graduating year to make it more "inclusive". Which means they have a ton of crush "age appropriate" players that are in 2020 graduating year and would be excluded. When you run the program, you make the rules that fit for your teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Come on read the rules must be within 100 miles which is why the sons player can NOT participate w Igloo.


That's a shame because he is no longer with sons and has been with igloo since the tryout regardless of zip code. Complain all you want but his parents are willing to make that drive in order for their son to play on a great team. He is not a ringer brought in just for the tournament.


I "might" believe this boy joined Igloo to be part of the WSYL, IF he had been a part of Igloo prior to knowing about this tournament. However, I would be that is the ONLY reason they are driving over 3 hours to be on a team


It is really nobodys business why he is playing for igloo. I would agree with your reasoning, but again, not my business so who cares.
So last year TA played true 2020 kids in 2021 grade tournaments got exposed truly cheating Not stretching the rules flat out cheating Now has a true "guest" player from another state Ouch
Knew about the 2020 kids. The guest?
Report cards are mandatory now - to evidence where kids live - and to enforce the 100 mile radius rule
5/1 is such horsesh!t. Contrived to keep teams together. 9/1... but will never happen because ALL the good teams would get blown up. 9/1 almost guarantee all kids playing within a certain age are in fact with 12 mos of each other.
This is absolutely crazy rules change like the wind with this tournament NO INTEGRITY. ...ITS ALL BS. Whats the point of qulifier if you can change your whole team for championship in Denver dont even make sense ....ITS HOG WASH
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Come on read the rules must be within 100 miles which is why the sons player can NOT participate w Igloo.


That's a shame because he is no longer with sons and has been with igloo since the tryout regardless of zip code. Complain all you want but his parents are willing to make that drive in order for their son to play on a great team. He is not a ringer brought in just for the tournament.


I "might" believe this boy joined Igloo to be part of the WSYL, IF he had been a part of Igloo prior to knowing about this tournament. However, I would be that is the ONLY reason they are driving over 3 hours to be on a team


It is really nobodys business why he is playing for igloo. I would agree with your reasoning, but again, not my business so who cares.


IF the WSYL is supposed to be modeled after the LLWS, then it really does matter. If the 100 mi rule is in place then he can't play. The player from PA lives about 130 miles from Igloo's practice field. I will be very curious to see what the WSYL does, because if they don't enforce this rule then there will be all kinds of "all-star" teams put together for this tournament. This is not how the LLWS does it, which is what makes that so nice.
Whatever roster you qualify w should be it regardless
So does that mean that 2020 Crush players born after May 2002 (8th graders) who never played for 2021 - will now be 2021 players for this tournament. How does that make sense? They are not hold backs - not part of the team?!

Also, for teams that don't qualify do their top player become free agents to play for a team that qualified - as long as they are within 100 miles. How does that make sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So does that mean that 2020 Crush players born after May 2002 (8th graders) who never played for 2021 - will now be 2021 players for this tournament. How does that make sense? They are not hold backs - not part of the team?!

Also, for teams that don't qualify do their top player become free agents to play for a team that qualified - as long as they are within 100 miles. How does that make sense.



With the rule changes, yes. Removing the 2021 requirement now qualifies 8th grade players born after 5/2002. And requiring players to only play 2 tourneys with the team and not necessarily a qualifier, makes free agency possible.

The WSYL seems to be getting away from what it was supposed to be as expressed by a few posts above. Next year rules may change again to solve another problem for the sponsoring team.
Wsyl is becoming a joke. 91 Igloo and a bunch of nobody's will be this years line up. Save your money and play at crabfest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whatever roster you qualify w should be it regardless


Absolutely !
No 2020 kids will play 2020 crush kids are getting recruited. Stop the nonsense People complain just to complain
So I guess JS works his magic to get his way again. Total BS
our club is holding tryouts for a wsyl team based on the 5/1 cutoff. team will practice and play together and any kid from any club is welcome to tryout.
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So I guess JS works his magic to get his way again. Total BS


What way? His team steam rolled through this tournament a year ago with ease and this summer many of those boys will be at showcases committing to schools if some haven't already. The idea Crush is going to play is silly same goes with 2020'express as well. The 2020 class focus is on colleges not WSYL. NOT a 2021 parent my boy is a 20 but thought I'd give perspective of a 2020 player that actually would make the cut off and where our focus will be.
We all know that they will all be committing soon enough , what is being said seems that kids on crush who make the cutoff date will merge with Blaze. If JS ask these kids to go , the family of those boys will not think twice and will be heading to Denver. It all in the rules which allows this to happen.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So I guess JS works his magic to get his way again. Total BS


What way? His team steam rolled through this tournament a year ago with ease and this summer many of those boys will be at showcases committing to schools if some haven't already. The idea Crush is going to play is silly same goes with 2020'express as well. The 2020 class focus is on colleges not WSYL. NOT a 2021 parent my boy is a 20 but thought I'd give perspective of a 2020 player that actually would make the cut off and where our focus will be.
From my experience, most parents are delusional and drive kids towards something they know nothing about. Who's committed, who isn't....who cares. Why? So a Dad can say my son is committed to XYZ? People, I've been through the mill, as a player and as a Father. Find a great school where your son can succeed, a coach that you trust and will make the game fun for your son and don't worry about the rest.

I made the mistake of focusing on the school name, not the education, the coach , etc. I didn't repeat the same mistake with my oldest son. He's attending a top rate school with a D2 program, he received some academic financial assistance and is part of a program that is very successful and loves the coach and teammates.

People, get some perspective ASAP. A kid in our town committed to a big time program, everyone was really happy for him and he is now miserable. I coached the kid and we still speak frequently. He feels like a piece of meat, an anonymous cog in the wheel. They care that he is eligible to play--period. He wants to transfer. Its a sad story. The kid's dream came true but has turned out to be a nightmare for him.
We all know why these rules are being changed and if you dont here it is. T benefit the couple of programs who are sick of losing to Igloo so they will try anything to beat them---how did it work out for you at [lacrosse]'s ----Good luck
Why would they change rules at this stage of game especially to 5/1/2002 bad enough it was 6/1/2002
So now you can have kids who could be 14 years old playing that is terrible
Big recruiting tournaments right around that date. He won't send them guaranteed
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now you can have kids who could be 14 years old playing that is terrible


The date hasn't changed- it was 5/1 last year and one of the kids on a certain team turned 14 during the tournament. It was not a secret that there were 14 yr old there.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From my experience, most parents are delusional and drive kids towards something they know nothing about. Who's committed, who isn't....who cares. Why? So a Dad can say my son is committed to XYZ? People, I've been through the mill, as a player and as a Father. Find a great school where your son can succeed, a coach that you trust and will make the game fun for your son and don't worry about the rest.

I made the mistake of focusing on the school name, not the education, the coach , etc. I didn't repeat the same mistake with my oldest son. He's attending a top rate school with a D2 program, he received some academic financial assistance and is part of a program that is very successful and loves the coach and teammates.

People, get some perspective ASAP. A kid in our town committed to a big time program, everyone was really happy for him and he is now miserable. I coached the kid and we still speak frequently. He feels like a piece of meat, an anonymous cog in the wheel. They care that he is eligible to play--period. He wants to transfer. Its a sad story. The kid's dream came true but has turned out to be a nightmare for him.


I know many kids in that position, you speak the truth!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From my experience, most parents are delusional and drive kids towards something they know nothing about. Who's committed, who isn't....who cares. Why? So a Dad can say my son is committed to XYZ? People, I've been through the mill, as a player and as a Father. Find a great school where your son can succeed, a coach that you trust and will make the game fun for your son and don't worry about the rest.

I made the mistake of focusing on the school name, not the education, the coach , etc. I didn't repeat the same mistake with my oldest son. He's attending a top rate school with a D2 program, he received some academic financial assistance and is part of a program that is very successful and loves the coach and teammates.

People, get some perspective ASAP. A kid in our town committed to a big time program, everyone was really happy for him and he is now miserable. I coached the kid and we still speak frequently. He feels like a piece of meat, an anonymous cog in the wheel. They care that he is eligible to play--period. He wants to transfer. Its a sad story. The kid's dream came true but has turned out to be a nightmare for him.


I cannot agree more. I was an "All-American" on a NCAA Championship team. I was lucky enough to play for an awesome coach and we had a great balanced college experience. I don't see that happening too much any more. IF, my son decides he wants to play a sport in college, I really hope that he can have the amazing experience that I did. I can tell you something else, he won't be "committing" anywhere until he is at least a Junior. I really feel like he is WAY to young right now to make that decision. PLUS, he truly doesn't know if he wants to play a sport in college (he is pretty sure he does), but he also not sure what sport that will be. I really hope that all of these kids end up having a great collegiate experience, it really is a GREAT time in your life. I hate to hear about kids not enjoying it because it has become a job...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From my experience, most parents are delusional and drive kids towards something they know nothing about. Who's committed, who isn't....who cares. Why? So a Dad can say my son is committed to XYZ? People, I've been through the mill, as a player and as a Father. Find a great school where your son can succeed, a coach that you trust and will make the game fun for your son and don't worry about the rest.

I made the mistake of focusing on the school name, not the education, the coach , etc. I didn't repeat the same mistake with my oldest son. He's attending a top rate school with a D2 program, he received some academic financial assistance and is part of a program that is very successful and loves the coach and teammates.

People, get some perspective ASAP. A kid in our town committed to a big time program, everyone was really happy for him and he is now miserable. I coached the kid and we still speak frequently. He feels like a piece of meat, an anonymous cog in the wheel. They care that he is eligible to play--period. He wants to transfer. Its a sad story. The kid's dream came true but has turned out to be a nightmare for him.


I cannot agree more. I was an "All-American" on a NCAA Championship team. I was lucky enough to play for an awesome coach and we had a great balanced college experience. I don't see that happening too much any more. IF, my son decides he wants to play a sport in college, I really hope that he can have the amazing experience that I did. I can tell you something else, he won't be "committing" anywhere until he is at least a Junior. I really feel like he is WAY to young right now to make that decision. PLUS, he truly doesn't know if he wants to play a sport in college (he is pretty sure he does), but he also not sure what sport that will be. I really hope that all of these kids end up having a great collegiate experience, it really is a GREAT time in your life. I hate to hear about kids not enjoying it because it has become a job...


And with all this crazy early recruiting, it gets way too real and becomes a job way too young.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From my experience, most parents are delusional and drive kids towards something they know nothing about. Who's committed, who isn't....who cares. Why? So a Dad can say my son is committed to XYZ? People, I've been through the mill, as a player and as a Father. Find a great school where your son can succeed, a coach that you trust and will make the game fun for your son and don't worry about the rest.

I made the mistake of focusing on the school name, not the education, the coach , etc. I didn't repeat the same mistake with my oldest son. He's attending a top rate school with a D2 program, he received some academic financial assistance and is part of a program that is very successful and loves the coach and teammates.

People, get some perspective ASAP. A kid in our town committed to a big time program, everyone was really happy for him and he is now miserable. I coached the kid and we still speak frequently. He feels like a piece of meat, an anonymous cog in the wheel. They care that he is eligible to play--period. He wants to transfer. Its a sad story. The kid's dream came true but has turned out to be a nightmare for him.


What are the d2 programs with the best academics?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From my experience, most parents are delusional and drive kids towards something they know nothing about. Who's committed, who isn't....who cares. Why? So a Dad can say my son is committed to XYZ? People, I've been through the mill, as a player and as a Father. Find a great school where your son can succeed, a coach that you trust and will make the game fun for your son and don't worry about the rest.

I made the mistake of focusing on the school name, not the education, the coach , etc. I didn't repeat the same mistake with my oldest son. He's attending a top rate school with a D2 program, he received some academic financial assistance and is part of a program that is very successful and loves the coach and teammates.

People, get some perspective ASAP. A kid in our town committed to a big time program, everyone was really happy for him and he is now miserable. I coached the kid and we still speak frequently. He feels like a piece of meat, an anonymous cog in the wheel. They care that he is eligible to play--period. He wants to transfer. Its a sad story. The kid's dream came true but has turned out to be a nightmare for him.


What are the d2 programs with the best academics?


I would say Bentley is one of thr best.
Funny because the guys going from our team aren't even top players on our club! LOL sounds like another money grab
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny because the guys going from our team aren't even top players on our club! LOL sounds like another money grab


What are the best Summer Tournaments ?
It's not gonna matter. The kids have to show up and beat the kid next to them. Fogo's, Goaltender's, and Man-Down defensive performance's can change any outcome. Period!!! ALL the kids and teams are gonna be talented. You may have a kid show up that nobody was expecting and be that X Factor. Stop worrying and concentrate on following the rules and putting yourself and your team in the best position to win.

Good Luck ALL
Berry Quiet for a bunch of snowed in Long Islanders
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Berry Quiet for a bunch of snowed in Long Islanders

Hey sorry this Long Islander has not got back to you sooner. At 3:26 pm I was not on the computer, was out sleigh riding with the kids. Umm I mean running line drills with the team. NOT!!!!!
Is black ice really not going all in on WSYL?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is black ice really not going all in on WSYL?


That would be a shame, and reinforce the charade that this has become. An embarrassment! I do applaud them for not buying onto the joke this has become!
Watch out for the "BLACK ICE"
Watch out for "BLAZE" as they smoke "BLACK ICE" legally !


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watch out for the "BLACK ICE"
Legally under the new rules. Ok
the sudden rule change has made this year a mess. Will be better next year (assuming rules don't change again) when the clubs have separate teams from the beginning training for this event. will be mixed 7/8

If you don't get it "blaze" will smoke black ice legally is being refered to weed being legalized in colorado.. lol .. what a dumb [lacrosse] name for a team.
That some funny [lacrosse] stuff..


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legally under the new rules. Ok
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the sudden rule change has made this year a mess. Will be better next year (assuming rules don't change again) when the clubs have separate teams from the beginning training for this event. will be mixed 7/8


Agreed. This year is like all the revoked gold medals, home run kings, tour de frances, fifa games, that have an asterisk next to the names for the use of illegal substances, fixing games, bribery and gambling.

Getting an asterisk in year two of an event says it all!

2016*
* The year the parent organization changed rules eight weeks prior to the qualifiers due to the lobbying of infamous organizations who feared losing to upstarts and industry marketshare.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the sudden rule change has made this year a mess. Will be better next year (assuming rules don't change again) when the clubs have separate teams from the beginning training for this event. will be mixed 7/8


Agreed. This year is like all the revoked gold medals, home run kings, tour de frances, fifa games, that have an asterisk next to the names for the use of illegal substances, fixing games, bribery and gambling.

Getting an asterisk in year two of an event says it all!

2016*
* The year the parent organization changed rules eight weeks prior to the qualifiers due to the lobbying of infamous organizations who feared losing to upstarts and industry marketshare.


Wah, wah, wah!
Why all the hate? This is a 13U event with the birthday cutoff of 5/1. Most sports with a "good" governing body have age group based on birthdays. Soccer is birth year. But soccer is international where things like the U.S. version of grades may not translate.

If lacrosse wants to grow from its current small foot print, a strong USL, with rules instead of guidelines, is needed. Who knows, a military base in Europe may field a local team in the future with a mix of local kids. Grades may not exactly translate, but he age cutoff does.
Yes! Someone gets it!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why all the hate? This is a 13U event with the birthday cutoff of 5/1. Most sports with a "good" governing body have age group based on birthdays. Soccer is birth year. But soccer is international where things like the U.S. version of grades may not translate.

If lacrosse wants to grow from its current small foot print, a strong USL, with rules instead of guidelines, is needed. Who knows, a military base in Europe may field a local team in the future with a mix of local kids. Grades may not exactly translate, but he age cutoff does.


May 1 cutoff is a joke. No one is serious about curtailing the overage kids, its a matter of business and business is good.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watch out for "BLAZE" as they smoke "BLACK ICE" legally !


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watch out for the "BLACK ICE"


Blaze won't be smoking Black Ice, because Blaze doesn't have the holdbacks, so they will bring kids who have birthdays of 5/21 to the tournament. So if MS pushed this agenda, he failed, because he will need a new team to compete with the new cutoff.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watch out for "BLAZE" as they smoke "BLACK ICE" legally !


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watch out for the "BLACK ICE"


Blaze won't be smoking Black Ice, because Blaze doesn't have the holdbacks, so they will bring kids who have birthdays of 5/21 to the tournament. So if MS pushed this agenda, he failed, because he will need a new team to compete with the new cutoff.



Am I the only one confused by this post? Please clarify.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why all the hate? This is a 13U event with the birthday cutoff of 5/1. Most sports with a "good" governing body have age group based on birthdays. Soccer is birth year. But soccer is international where things like the U.S. version of grades may not translate.

If lacrosse wants to grow from its current small foot print, a strong USL, with rules instead of guidelines, is needed. Who knows, a military base in Europe may field a local team in the future with a mix of local kids. Grades may not exactly translate, but he age cutoff does.


i think baseball is also a 5/1 cut off

May 1 cutoff is a joke. No one is serious about curtailing the overage kids, its a matter of business and business is good.
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Watch out for "BLAZE" as they smoke "BLACK ICE" legally !


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watch out for the "BLACK ICE"


Blaze won't be smoking Black Ice, because Blaze doesn't have the holdbacks, so they will bring kids who have birthdays of 5/21 to the tournament. So if MS pushed this agenda, he failed, because he will need a new team to compete with the new cutoff.



Am I the only one confused by this post? Please clarify.


No. Makes absolutely no sense. Must be a kid.

But Blaze definitely has holdbacks. That was obvious during tryouts with some of the maturity levels. Perhaps 91 knew something then. The size of some of those guys (not boys) was unreal. But that's life and what the game has turned into.

So for those true 2021s out there...play hard, play up! Thanks for honoring the game.
I think that he meant Blaze won't be in the tournament. I heard that they were holding tryouts of all of the 2020 & 2021 kids who were interested in playing in the World Series. Not sure what the status of that is, but it is odd that they would lobby for rules that would force them to put together a whole new team because they don't have many holdbacks. As far as size, my son tried out and was one of the bigger kids, and he is a September 2003 birthday, so not sure how you can say that there was a huge size difference with holdbacks on Blaze.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that he meant Blaze won't be in the tournament. I heard that they were holding tryouts of all of the 2020 & 2021 kids who were interested in playing in the World Series. Not sure what the status of that is, but it is odd that they would lobby for rules that would force them to put together a whole new team because they don't have many holdbacks. As far as size, my son tried out and was one of the bigger kids, and he is a September 2003 birthday, so not sure how you can say that there was a huge size difference with holdbacks on Blaze.


Surprised you didn't observe that, you must have been on a different field rotation. My son is on the taller side of his class with summer 2003 birthday. Definitely not big or mature for his age.

The size difference was more than obvious at tryouts. There was a good half foot advantage on at least 6 very mature guys (twice the leg circumference with hair) who easily could outrun most of the boys. South shore kids, I understood, through conversations on sidelines with parents who knew them. What is the phrase over there? "It is what it is"? Cause it's not the salt air.

Play on! (Hey, if you don't challenge yourself, there won't be growth.)
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I think that he meant Blaze won't be in the tournament. I heard that they were holding tryouts of all of the 2020 & 2021 kids who were interested in playing in the World Series. Not sure what the status of that is, but it is odd that they would lobby for rules that would force them to put together a whole new team because they don't have many holdbacks. As far as size, my son tried out and was one of the bigger kids, and he is a September 2003 birthday, so not sure how you can say that there was a huge size difference with holdbacks on Blaze.


Surprised you didn't observe that, you must have been on a different field rotation. My son is on the taller side of his class with summer 2003 birthday. Definitely not big or mature for his age.

The size difference was more than obvious at tryouts. There was a good half foot advantage on at least 6 very mature guys (twice the leg circumference with hair) who easily could outrun most of the boys. South shore kids, I understood, through conversations on sidelines with parents who knew them. What is the phrase over there? "It is what it is"? Cause it's not the salt air.

Play on! (Hey, if you don't challenge yourself, there won't be growth.)


Agreed! Maybe because my kid is one of the bigger kids, I don't pick up on that. I did notice there were several who were more mature. I don't want to hold my kid back, because what will he get out of it? A $10k scholarship for a $50k school. Let him play with the kids he will graduate with, and know that he is competing against kids a year older. He will be a better man because of it.
This World Series thing has already become a complete joke. Leave it up to the influential lacrosse coaches, directors, etc...to screw it up in only 1 year. You know who they are!

They managed to create a controversial event in only the second year of its existence. Total waste of time and money. It has already means nothing!


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that he meant Blaze won't be in the tournament. I heard that they were holding tryouts of all of the 2020 & 2021 kids who were interested in playing in the World Series. Not sure what the status of that is, but it is odd that they would lobby for rules that would force them to put together a whole new team because they don't have many holdbacks. As far as size, my son tried out and was one of the bigger kids, and he is a September 2003 birthday, so not sure how you can say that there was a huge size difference with holdbacks on Blaze.


Surprised you didn't observe that, you must have been on a different field rotation. My son is on the taller side of his class with summer 2003 birthday. Definitely not big or mature for his age.

The size difference was more than obvious at tryouts. There was a good half foot advantage on at least 6 very mature guys (twice the leg circumference with hair) who easily could outrun most of the boys. South shore kids, I understood, through conversations on sidelines with parents who knew them. What is the phrase over there? "It is what it is"? Cause it's not the salt air.

Play on! (Hey, if you don't challenge yourself, there won't be growth.)


Agreed! Maybe because my kid is one of the bigger kids, I don't pick up on that. I did notice there were several who were more mature. I don't want to hold my kid back, because what will he get out of it? A $10k scholarship for a $50k school. Let him play with the kids he will graduate with, and know that he is competing against kids a year older. He will be a better man because of it.
Are there any spring leagues for this age group?
Which coming down to play at Homewood Havoc before the Hopkins / Cuse game on Saturday
THIS IS GREAT! Watch the landscape change!!

US Lacrosse Adopts New Player Segmentation Policy


US Lacrosse today announced a new player segmentation policy to ensure player safety, competitive fairness and a consistent experience for youth lacrosse. The US Lacrosse Board of Directors approved the policy in January, and it takes effect Sept. 1, 2017 (earlier adoption is encouraged).
Policy highlights include grouping players by single-age years, using Sept. 1 as the determining date for a player's age and as the first day of a 12-month playing calendar, and standardizing nomenclature that lists the age first, i.e., 12U.
So with a kid with an late Birthday who plays with his grade now, will the tryouts now push him to play down? My kid is a solid player, but not AA playing with his grade, and I believed that is the way to go, not have him play down to dominate.
What a joke the Shamrock Shootout has turned into. Used to be a good tournament now not so much. Poorly run and the brackets for this age group were a joke.
You should see Sundays. They insist on having the Greenwich teams play at 8:30 in the morning. That means the 2/3 rd graders need to be up at 4 am to get there hopefully in time. Last tournament that showed up at 11. Almost guaranteed the bracket will be missing a team or 2 tomorrow
Please it's a 90 min drive .
Did the second Outlaws Team (Black) just win while the first team (Select) get knocked out?
Yes Outlaws Black went 4-0 and won the tournament while Select went 1-2. Same bracket
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Yes Outlaws Black went 4-0 and won the tournament while Select went 1-2. Same bracket

PB is on the way out. He can't have this happening all the time.
Many people bought into outlaws select . From looking at fallball till now it seems that the Black team is far more superior in talent , plays the same teams as select, and comes out always ontop.
Heard from a parent of a select player that a few kids may be jumping ship already .




Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes Outlaws Black went 4-0 and won the tournament while Select went 1-2. Same bracket
Hi please dont take this the wrong way but the outlaws black played 2 very subpar teams. They had the luck of the draw do not panic from what I witnessed the select has more upside.

Not based off of today but Black has competed against higher level teams in the fall and did very well, and like always everyone has an opinion on how a team pans out, only by observation they look like they have it more together then select , and have a few standout players that may belong on select if you will call it just that "Select" , which means the top players in that age group from that organization should be on that team .


Politics usually destroys those high hopen .



quote=Anonymous] Hi please dont take this the wrong way but the outlaws black played 2 very subpar teams. They had the luck of the draw do not panic from what I witnessed the select has more upside. [/quote]
Well I did not mean to offend, just my snap-shot obsevation of 1 day. Playing a more competitive schedule pays dividends not always judged by wins and loses.
Maybe some kids on black selected to be on that team !- its a win win situation for outlaws , they have 2 good teams
Most of the outlaw 2021 kids got cut from other clubs.when they go to a real tournament neither one comes out on top
Yes very good point so Outlaw parents
relax it is a good problem to have, competition. Look what it has done for 91's 2022 division.
The championship win looks great on the website. As long as the parents keep on paying the organization will keep on entering sub par tournaments
Not sure where you're getting your information from, but less than 5% of black team kids got cut from other clubs. They're just a superior group of kids, many of which CHOSE to play on that team. Who cares, it all comes out in the wash.
is one of these 2 teams the all greys?
Now that is interesting
Congrats to those boys today.i'm sure they had fun.the organization should be embarrassed calling their so called select team the better one.alot of delusional parents over there
Not true at all. 99% of the kids on the black team are there because they Chose to be. In fact at least a third belong on Select and opted out. Speaks volumes.
Regarding Outlaws Black and Select yesterday-

Have friends on both teams, both seem pretty happy, with the other players, parents, and coaches. yesterday, both teams had tents set up with one another and kids and parents mingled together.

Black won the day, Select didn't do so well. But the fact is that the tournament had no divisions so all teams together. Black did have a less competitive schedule, Select more challenging. The championship was between Black and another team on less competitive side. Go figure, but that was the format, points for wins and goals against. I am sure 2022 91 Smash thought they would win the whole thing but didn't make championship either, Bergen was big and good but they didn't make championship either. Just a poor format, but who cares it's an early spring tournament to get kids playing.

Congrats to Outlaws 2021 Black, they are a very good team and well coached. Select is as well and will get to work for the season, good players and well coached. There is far worse out there with many other organizations.

I played, I have a child in college, one in high school (recruited), and a 2021, all playing the game. It's been fun, but the nonsense that has become of this sport at the youth level has made it less of what it once was.

Realizing many come on here to vent or raise issue, have at it if that's your desire. But facts and reality are often different.

Again congrats to 2021 Black and good luck to all that actually enjoy this game.
The team that Black played less competitive? Team has express Channy kids on that team don't they ? And 91 kids..
So Kudos to Black..



quote=Anonymous]Regarding Outlaws Black and Select yesterday-

Have friends on both teams, both seem pretty happy, with the other players, parents, and coaches. yesterday, both teams had tents set up with one another and kids and parents mingled together.

Black won the day, Select didn't do so well. But the fact is that the tournament had no divisions so all teams together. Black did have a less competitive schedule, Select more challenging. The championship was between Black and another team on less competitive side. Go figure, but that was the format, points for wins and goals against. I am sure 2022 91 Smash thought they would win the whole thing but didn't make championship either, Bergen was big and good but they didn't make championship either. Just a poor format, but who cares it's an early spring tournament to get kids playing.

Congrats to Outlaws 2021 Black, they are a very good team and well coached. Select is as well and will get to work for the season, good players and well coached. There is far worse out there with many other organizations.

I played, I have a child in college, one in high school (recruited), and a 2021, all playing the game. It's been fun, but the nonsense that has become of this sport at the youth level has made it less of what it once was.

Realizing many come on here to vent or raise issue, have at it if that's your desire. But facts and reality are often different.

Again congrats to 2021 Black and good luck to all that actually enjoy this game. [/quote]
91 and express kids that were cut
How about we give the kids on the team credit? They didn't make the schedule and worked hard to win. If you watch any of their games then you would know they could have been competitive with any team there. But again give the kids credit and really isn't that what it's all about
I agree some kids stepped up !!
No one gets cut from Express 40 man roster $$$
Well looking at the Outlaws Select roster I would say that team has some Express B team players , so that would more or less explain partial cause of inconsistencies.



quote=Anonymous]91 and express kids that were cut [/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well looking at the Outlaws Select roster I would say that team has some Express B team players , so that would more or less explain partial cause of inconsistencies.



quote=Anonymous]91 and express kids that were cut
[/quote]

Really? Looking at the roster? And how, pray tell, did you get the roster? Idiots.
Even if the Outlaw team was cut from other teams, that makes it an even bigger deal for them. Great job by a great bunch of people. This 91 dad is real happy for them, they are a great bunch of kids.
Are u a 91 dad now?
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Are u a 91 dad now?
Yes, and my son could have gone with either program, and stuck with his friends. It was a tough decision for him because he really liked the coaches and the kids on the team, but he's been on 91 now. I stayed out of the decision because he is the one who is playing.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are u a 91 dad now?
Yes, and my son could have gone with either program, and stuck with his friends. It was a tough decision for him because he really liked the coaches and the kids on the team, but he's been on 91 now. I stayed out of the decision because he is the one who is playing.


Plus you get him on 91 where he will get better looks going forward. You have to look out for your own, I'm sure you would have nudged him if you had to.
Good luck to the team's next weekend at the WSYL Qualifiers. We will find out what teams stayed 2021 and what are the combo teams soon enough!
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Good luck to the team's next weekend at the WSYL Qualifiers. We will find out what teams stayed 2021 and what are the combo teams soon enough!


Rumor has it that Blaze and Crush are combining .
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good luck to the team's next weekend at the WSYL Qualifiers. We will find out what teams stayed 2021 and what are the combo teams soon enough!


Rumor has it that Blaze and Crush are combining .


If they meet the requirements, so be it. But if you are a 2021 that loses PT because of a Crush kid, that would stink.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good luck to the team's next weekend at the WSYL Qualifiers. We will find out what teams stayed 2021 and what are the combo teams soon enough!


Rumor has it that Blaze and Crush are combining .


That news has been out for a while. Question is how did Express and 91 (NLF) get the first byes. Blaze/Crush doesn't play until 11a!

Who is ASW? The sponsor of a Clams/3D/Laxachusetts combo team?

In any case, it will be a fun weekend of lacrosse. Have fun!
2 crush kids that is all
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2 crush kids that is all


That number is DELETED
4 kids total
One of the kids is really a 2021 player who plays up with 2020, so really only 3 2020's are playing
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One of the kids is really a 2021 player who plays up with 2020, so really only 3 2020's are playing


At least someone is admitting that the kid is playing up one year and not two, based on his birthdate.
Please 91 will not win mark it down now.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please 91 will not win mark it down now.



Who do you think will win?
Regardless how many peoples kids on here play up one year or two grades at the highest level ? Ah yes none and I'm NOT a 91er kid is insanely talented. Legacy will win this playing with virtually entire 2020 team and it will not be close. Mark it down
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Regardless how many peoples kids on here play up one year or two grades at the highest level ? Ah yes none and I'm NOT a 91er kid is insanely talented. Legacy will win this playing with virtually entire 2020 team and it will not be close. Mark it down



So noted. Good luck to your 1/2 of a team.
What shame Legacy is, I have a friend whose son is on the 2021 team and was not even told about the tourney. So Long Island has 4 teams going and Icon is the only true 2021 team, what a shame.
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What shame Legacy is, I have a friend whose son is on the 2021 team and was not even told about the tourney. So Long Island has 4 teams going and Icon is the only true 2021 team, what a shame.



Although I am not involved in the ICON program, I completely agree with the above statement. Legacy will have 12 2020s, 91 will have 3, Express will also have 2020s but insist they are bringing their 2021 team. Igloo; who knows what they will have although they have always had 2020s on their 2021 team. ICON is doing what is right for the team and for lacrosse.
I will definitely root for any team in WSYL whose kids are all born on or after 9/1 and who have been together for years. So, as far I know, I'm rooting for Igloo and hope their skill beats older kids. (A few months may not seem like much, but at this age, it's huge. Assembling an all-star team of kids who have hit puberty and then doing a couple tournaments to qualify is certain to be an effective strategy, but BS in my mind.)
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What shame Legacy is, I have a friend whose son is on the 2021 team and was not even told about the tourney. So Long Island has 4 teams going and Icon is the only true 2021 team, what a shame.



Although I am not involved in the ICON program, I completely agree with the above statement. Legacy will have 12 2020s, 91 will have 3, Express will also have 2020s but insist they are bringing their 2021 team. Igloo; who knows what they will have although they have always had 2020s on their 2021 team. ICON is doing what is right for the team and for lacrosse.


The other clubs are just playing within the rules. Can't really fault a club for that. Maybe it the WSYL and their rules that is not right for youth lacrosse
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I will definitely root for any team in WSYL whose kids are all born on or after 9/1 and who have been together for years. So, as far I know, I'm rooting for Igloo and hope their skill beats older kids. (A few months may not seem like much, but at this age, it's huge. Assembling an all-star team of kids who have hit puberty and then doing a couple tournaments to qualify is certain to be an effective strategy, but BS in my mind.)


I hear you, but in every tournament prior to this one when Igloo has played 2021, haven't they always had the older kids?
Insert irony here.
Express and 91 are the only teams that are adding 2020 players to their existing 2021 team. The kids on these teams will have reduced playing time, no playing time or will not be asked to make the trip. Since the roster can only be 24 kids. Taz is taking whoever is eligible from the 2020 team and adding additional kids.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What shame Legacy is, I have a friend whose son is on the 2021 team and was not even told about the tourney. So Long Island has 4 teams going and Icon is the only true 2021 team, what a shame.



Although I am not involved in the ICON program, I completely agree with the above statement. Legacy will have 12 2020s, 91 will have 3, Express will also have 2020s but insist they are bringing their 2021 team. Igloo; who knows what they will have although they have always had 2020s on their 2021 team. ICON is doing what is right for the team and for lacrosse.


The other clubs are just playing within the rules. Can't really fault a club for that. Maybe it the WSYL and their rules that is not right for youth lacrosse
The straight 2021 teams should bow out to set a example on how wrong they are for setting it up this way.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What shame Legacy is, I have a friend whose son is on the 2021 team and was not even told about the tourney. So Long Island has 4 teams going and Icon is the only true 2021 team, what a shame.



Although I am not involved in the ICON program, I completely agree with the above statement. Legacy will have 12 2020s, 91 will have 3, Express will also have 2020s but insist they are bringing their 2021 team. Igloo; who knows what they will have although they have always had 2020s on their 2021 team. ICON is doing what is right for the team and for lacrosse.


PLEASE SPARE US THE DRAMA THE RULES ARE THE RULES SO IT IS WHAT IT IS >>>>>> SO WHAT NOW YOU CAN SAY WELL THEY HAD OLDER KIDS THATS WHY THEY BEAT US PLEASE PLAY BY THE RULES AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH IF IF YOU LOSS YOU LOSS BECAUSE THE BETTER TEAM WON / ITS NOT EVEN A DISCUSSION THEY CHANGED RULES AND YOUR DIRECTORS DECIDE TO GO SO GO PLAY HARD AND HAVE FUN/BUT STOP WITH THIS OLDER KIDS STUFF PLEASE ENOUGH
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I will definitely root for any team in WSYL whose kids are all born on or after 9/1 and who have been together for years. So, as far I know, I'm rooting for Igloo and hope their skill beats older kids. (A few months may not seem like much, but at this age, it's huge. Assembling an all-star team of kids who have hit puberty and then doing a couple tournaments to qualify is certain to be an effective strategy, but BS in my mind.)


I hear you, but in every tournament prior to this one when Igloo has played 2021, haven't they always had the older kids?
Insert irony here.


9/1/02 if we checked roster from ALL 2021 teams they would have older kids
Then the only team you could root for is Icon, as they will be the only true 2021 team but may have a hard time physically against the older kids.
Why should we stop, all 91 can think and breath is winning some stupid tournament, and in the mean time pushing good kids and family to the curb, if you are not in top 16, the coaching staff could give a sh&it about you.
Then the only team you could root for is Icon, as they will be the only true 2021 team but may have a hard time physically against the older kids.


And Express, they are bringing their 2021 team.
WSYL should post rosters and ages on their website. Full disclosure. This way everyone knows what they are up against and people would stop making things up about other teams.
I guess I'm missing the issue here. WSYL is finally an age based tournament, with an age cut-off and we're still complaining about teams bringing 'older' kids ?
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Why should we stop, all 91 can think and breath is winning some stupid tournament, and in the mean time pushing good kids and family to the curb, if you are not in top 16, the coaching staff could give a sh&it about you.



what an odd number to choose 16? Sounds like someones son is 17+ typical modern day mommy and daddy complaining. How about "son get better" Coaches not caring?!?! weak
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I will definitely root for any team in WSYL whose kids are all born on or after 9/1 and who have been together for years. So, as far I know, I'm rooting for Igloo and hope their skill beats older kids. (A few months may not seem like much, but at this age, it's huge. Assembling an all-star team of kids who have hit puberty and then doing a couple tournaments to qualify is certain to be an effective strategy, but BS in my mind.)


I hear you, but in every tournament prior to this one when Igloo has played 2021, haven't they always had the older kids?
Insert irony here.


The irony is that you unknowingly used this statement in my presence recently and now your post is working exactly opposite your anonymous intention. At least change your verbal phrasing on a written forum so you can't be identified...Is that an orange blush? ; )

Hello BTW. Have a safe trip. See you in MA. Remember - have fun.
So everyone complains about hold backs and older kids playing on younger team and when the WYSL tries to standardize it the same people complain that the true 2021 teams will suffer, which according to most of you there is no true 2021 team. Unbelievable.
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So everyone complains about hold backs and older kids playing on younger team and when the WYSL tries to standardize it the same people complain that the true 2021 teams will suffer, which according to most of you there is no true 2021 team. Unbelievable.


Glad this will put teams age-based. That's the way it should be. Not grade. This year is screwed up with last minute rule changes which should not have been implemented.

Problem is the other 99.99% of summer tourneys and events are grad year based. It's the grad year system that's driving the money grabbing showcases and alluring the college coaches.

I say keep everything age based, let the coaches ask what grad year the kids are in. It may make the early recruiting a bit more difficult. Fact is, the age based system levels the playing field and gives the non-entitled athletic kids a shot. Unfortunately, the wealthy private school families with holdbacks and donations will never let that happen.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I will definitely root for any team in WSYL whose kids are all born on or after 9/1 and who have been together for years. So, as far I know, I'm rooting for Igloo and hope their skill beats older kids. (A few months may not seem like much, but at this age, it's huge. Assembling an all-star team of kids who have hit puberty and then doing a couple tournaments to qualify is certain to be an effective strategy, but BS in my mind.)


I hear you, but in every tournament prior to this one when Igloo has played 2021, haven't they always had the older kids?
Insert irony here.


The irony is that you unknowingly used this statement in my presence recently and now your post is working exactly opposite your anonymous intention. At least change your verbal phrasing on a written forum so you can't be identified...Is that an orange blush? ; )

Hello BTW. Have a safe trip. See you in MA. Remember - have fun.


Not blushing, no need too. Truth is the truth, although you continue to deny it. Not worried about you big guy. See you in Worcester.
Express is going with a true 2021 team
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is going with a true 2021 team



Yes, that is what you keep saying. I believe that you think you are being truthful, but you are mistaken.
Your saying older kids, and in fact that is the issue we are all debating here. Older vs. grade, because there are two situations that a public school player could be playing in a lower grade here on Long Island.

First, the player is held back, or reclassified, and in this case the player will be much older, stronger, and in a place of strategic advantage. This is clearly not a safe way to compete at the early ages.

Second, is a player who has a birth date after September 1st, which results in this player being the same age as everyone in the lower grade, but because New [lacrosse] is one of the only states to have a December cutoff, this player is considered a grade above, when according to the rest of the countries public school systems (September 1st should be the cutout).

Players who fall into the first category should never be allowed to participate in that grade at least until 9th grade. Players who fall into the second category are in a weir position. According to US Lacrosse they should be on the teams with kids with their similar age, not the ones in their grade because those players are a full year older then they are.

So my only suggestion is that clubs all follow different rules, and from what I know there only a few clubs that takes its lead from US Lacrosse which is the national governing body of lacrosse in the United States and I know Igloo is one of them. Everyone else follows a complete grade based program; which allows for kids who are a full year older to be playing with kids a full year younger. However, If you play by Age, then you will have kids who are in a older grades, but they will not be actually older then your son or daughter.

If anyone believes MC will not bring older kids to the tourney you are crazy. Express recruits kids from other teams, brings kids in from their A team to play with B team in tourneys, so there is no way Express which will do anything to gain an advantage is not bringing in outside kids. From these posts it seems Icon is the only true 2021 team. They don't have a older team to take from and there is no way that staff will replace kids from that team and put other kids in.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess I'm missing the issue here. WSYL is finally an age based tournament, with an age cut-off and we're still complaining about teams bringing 'older' kids ?


It's no longer an issue of older kids as it is that the rules were changed. Bottom line is that the rules are now the rules. It's just a shame to the kids that made the teams and will no longer be able to have the experience because they are being replaced. Good luck to everyone remember it's about the kids not mommy and daddy's ego
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess I'm missing the issue here. WSYL is finally an age based tournament, with an age cut-off and we're still complaining about teams bringing 'older' kids ?


It's no longer an issue of older kids as it is that the rules were changed. Bottom line is that the rules are now the rules. It's just a shame to the kids that made the teams and will no longer be able to have the experience because they are being replaced. Good luck to everyone remember it's about the kids not mommy and daddy's ego


How and why would an organization create a tournament that has a different age requirement than US Lacrosse governing body? Are we saying the leadership, who are very aware of the 9/1 us lax date don't agree with that cut off or that date wasn't convenient for their players? The utter disregard for US Lacrosse guidlines, in addition to them instituting age based player rules will be the demise of this tournament.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess I'm missing the issue here. WSYL is finally an age based tournament, with an age cut-off and we're still complaining about teams bringing 'older' kids ?


It's no longer an issue of older kids as it is that the rules were changed. Bottom line is that the rules are now the rules. It's just a shame to the kids that made the teams and will no longer be able to have the experience because they are being replaced. Good luck to everyone remember it's about the kids not mommy and daddy's ego


How and why would an organization create a tournament that has a different age requirement than US Lacrosse governing body? Are we saying the leadership, who are very aware of the 9/1 us lax date don't agree with that cut off or that date wasn't convenient for their players? The utter disregard for US Lacrosse guidlines, in addition to them instituting age based player rules will be the demise of this tournament.


Because in metro areas all over the country (relatively) affluent parents are starting their boys in kindergarten late to gain them an academic, social and/or athletic advantage. (Mostly a private school thing, as there are regulations for public school, but in my community, ironically or logically, however you look at it, the parents who were big-time DI athletes have done more commonly.) You think they are all of a sudden going to give up that advantage for their kids and let them play on-age with kids the grade above just because of U.S Lacrosse regulations?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess I'm missing the issue here. WSYL is finally an age based tournament, with an age cut-off and we're still complaining about teams bringing 'older' kids ?


It's no longer an issue of older kids as it is that the rules were changed. Bottom line is that the rules are now the rules. It's just a shame to the kids that made the teams and will no longer be able to have the experience because they are being replaced. Good luck to everyone remember it's about the kids not mommy and daddy's ego


How and why would an organization create a tournament that has a different age requirement than US Lacrosse governing body? Are we saying the leadership, who are very aware of the 9/1 us lax date don't agree with that cut off or that date wasn't convenient for their players? The utter disregard for US Lacrosse guidlines, in addition to them instituting age based player rules will be the demise of this tournament.


No it won't. Age based is the way to go. US Lacrosse had years to set it right and they didn't, so the 9/1 date is no longer valid. 9/1 is also FIL, but out of the hundreds of thousands of lacrosse participants, how many athletes are going to the world level? Unfortunately, USL has done absolutely nothing to govern and allowed the clubs to gain control of the game over the past decade.

USL had the lax world in the palm of it's hand and made one of the biggest chokes of all time. They didn't realize the shot clock was on and missed a golden opportunity in an open net. They don't run the sport any more, the reputation is severely diminished and will now lose out on millions. This occurred mostly because of the Baltimore/Maryland rich crony system that had tight ties to the organization and a decision couldn't be reached on governance or rules. Shot themselves in the foot.

There will be plenty of teams across the US and world that will be more than happy to attend WSYL. Why? Because it's FAIR. (ok, maybe not this year with last minute changes, but it will be) But mainly because a majority of the world plays by the rules and despise rule breakers. In regards to lacrosse, those rule breakers are the holdbacks if you didn't figure that out already. Age based is the deciding factor with talent. 6/1 or 9/1 or 1/1 – it doesn't matter. It's WSYL's rule and WSYL is a rising leader.

Plus, I'm sure WSYL has eyes on more than one yearly event. I wouldn't be surprised if they start sanctioning leagues in the non hotbed areas in the coming years. Current hotbeds will then be forced follow if they want to participate.

And hopefully, during all this change, WSYL will take the reigns and finally provide the leadership and governance the sport deserves. Otherwise, they will prove to be money grabbers themselves and the sport will be in shambles.

Of course, the grade based clubs will continue to money grab and promote showcases on campuses of elite private schools for college coaches. After all it's a business and showcases are an easy sell to deep pockets. The rich will still try to control the sport and claw their way to get recruited, but with a new system it will be a little harder for little Johnny and Jackie to shine.

Considering where lacrosse is headed, I believe college coaches will attend age based events to give scouts more insight into whether talent is legit. Stakes are getting way too high, especially with early recruiting. With age based rules, the playing field will be even, where it's easy to judge talent, and for the scouts it's just another column in the spreadsheet to add grad year. It will take time, but it will happen.

Finally, and it has nothing to do with the above, but the phrase Grow the Game needs to be cut from the lacrosse world vocabulary. It may have started with the right intention, but growing the game has become more about Grabbing money and the Greed of businessmen and doing anything to Get ahead. The phrase is now being used for profit because it's cool to say, or text, or put a hashtag in front of it. It's downright disgusting.

The damage is done but IT'S TIME to move forward. It's time to HONOR the Game.

- Jerry McGuire
I guess it works for the older 2021 kids, not sure why any 2020 kids would attend and risk missing a well attended recruiting event back east. its gut wrenching when your at one event playing down with a handful of coaches and your classmates are at an event with a sideline full of coaches.
A well attended recruiting event? Not sure you realize that about 15-20 kids will be recruited this summer for a 2020 kid.

I know 91 and express along with the NLF says there are 2023 showcases but let's be real.

This event is the way it is because too many clubs that were in it last year wanted to make the event a marketing campaign for their clubs.

The issue is igloo carried 2020 kids for years and none of you even knew about it, SAD! This event is allowing everyone to submit birth certificates and the mistake made is going to may! And that's because MD teams have older kids, older than our current 8th graders. Think about that. Go to the rising sons website and look at the DOBs of their 2020s they should all be 2019's here.

As for age bigger, etc all these boys play middle school sports with each other. There are kids that hit puberty in 5th grade and others in 10th bottom line is you can't control that.

Stop worrying about whose bringing who, everyone is apparently within the rules except for 91 who wanted to have a tryout to cut their dead wood and add their 4 crush kids.
I agree with you!!!

Igloo has been using older players forever!!!!! They actually cut someone because they thought he wasn't going to make the World Series DOB requirement.

91 will stop at nothing to be the Kings of lacrosse!! I am rooting for any team except 91.
Dead would, that's teal funny you little punk [lacrosse] on computer , I will check in later this summer and see who dead wood
Hi Brian
That's funny, FYI,Brian and is brother care about winning and playing is brother son on every eligible team he can play on, no matter what paying kid they bumpz. Very disappointed, through he was a better person.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's funny, FYI,Brian and is brother care about winning and playing is brother son on every eligible team he can play on, no matter what paying kid they bumpz. Very disappointed, through he was a better person.


NOPE!!
Hooked on phonics
Funny thing igloo has been playing w illegal kids for years. And Tony Bologna has allowed it. I don't like everything 91 is about either but the cheating that igloo has done has irked me Express and 91 are established products while igloo went from non profit to big money grab. No one wants to be involved with igloo not NLF OR the smaller Passport alliance. I wonder why ?! TA is laughed at by club directors
Get a life you jerk ....if you think igloo is the only one that has used so called "illegal" players your sadly mistaken .....FA get a life!!!!
any scores from mass??
http://www.worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.com/North-Regional.aspx

Sorry that was west link
How many teams advance from each qualifier?
I think top 4, 16 altogether. I think
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think top 4, 16 altogether. I think
I thought I heard that too- but wasn't sure. Thanks for responding.
Legacy has really improved, doing real well
Igloo smokes the Blaze 11-4
Long Island express looking rough in Mass. Legacy yes legacy blow them out!! They may need to hold another tryout for the summer season.
Legacy
I think Coach Brian may be smoking on the way home!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo smokes the Blaze 11-4
You just make my night.
Hey 91 how did those extra players work out for you ???? LMAO maybe you should just play with your team ....poor kids who you replaced could not have done any worse than what you had . Very said all that BS and you get smoked
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is going with a true 2021 team



Yes, that is what you keep saying. I believe that you think you are being truthful, but you are mistaken.


Facts, 8th graders on their team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey 91 how did those extra players work out for you ???? LMAO maybe you should just play with your team ....poor kids who you replaced could not have done any worse than what you had . Very said all that BS and you get smoked


HaHaHaHaHa, KARMA!!! Nobody cheers for scumbags!
Karma sucks , love it.
I heard there will be some new merchandise in the Taz gift shop tommorrow.

Thought Blaze team was the team stacked with talent without the 4 Crush kids ? That team should have been left alone, not the best business move on 91's part .shunning kids over to let crushers play , only to be beat up that bad... what a joke .. hope you blaze parents learn your lessons and stop walking around all arrogant that your the next crush team.. the 4 team li players should have stayed with the the group they originated from , they have been subjected to false hope and dreams




quote=Anonymous]Hey 91 how did thosextra players work out for you ???? LMAO maybe you should just play with your team ....poor kids who you replaced could not have done any worse than what you had . Very said all that BS and you get smoked [/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo smokes the Blaze 11-4


Love to hear that! What happened to Jr.? Shut down at his own age group? nice to hear that Igloo is the clear #1! Looking forward to watching them take the ship in Denver!


Our boys were clicking and Blaze was undisciplined. Our boys played great team lacroose and stayed out of the box won face offs and moved the ball. Team lacrosse wins! As far as JR goes he did a majority of their damage all day in the games I saw. Great player incredibly talented but goes to show that team chemistry wins Thought the event was well run and officiating suspect really looking forward to Denver. Go Igloo
The tournament is in three months let's not annoint anyone anything Igloo doesn't beat Legacy
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The tournament is in three months let's not annoint anyone anything Igloo doesn't beat Legacy


Sorry legacy, you are Not beating Igloo, not even close!
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought Blaze team was the team stacked with talent without the 4 Crush kids ? That team should have been left alone, not the best business move on 91's part .shunning kids over to let crushers play , only to be beat up that bad... what a joke .. hope you blaze parents learn your lessons and stop walking around all arrogant that your the next crush team.. the 4 team li players should have stayed with the the group they originated from , they have been subjected to false hope and dreams




quote=Anonymous]Hey 91 how did thosextra players work out for you ???? LMAO maybe you should just play with your team ....poor kids who you replaced could not have done any worse than what you had . Very said all that BS and you get smoked
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#BEATDOWN #OVERRATED #NEPOTISMFAILS
Sunday has yet to play out for the North WSYL bracket!! Looks to be some great games as the top four go at it for the Title'
Legacy will win this thing. You watch igloo man upped and face offed past Blaze keeping it away from their offense. Can't do that vs Legacy as Legacy will win EVERY face off and is bigger and stronger Won't be close either
DELETED RECIPE FOR FAILURE. NO MATTER HOW MANY HOURS A DAY YOU PRACTICE!
What was that?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny thing igloo has been playing w illegal kids for years. And Tony Bologna has allowed it. I don't like everything 91 is about either but the cheating that igloo has done has irked me Express and 91 are established products while igloo went from non profit to big money grab. No one wants to be involved with igloo not NLF OR the smaller Passport alliance. I wonder why ?! TA is laughed at by club directors
passport alliance?? Thats a freaking joke. Not one competitive team left in it. ZERO. Big things coming forward. Hope igloo is apart of it all. Its coming.


91 cheats just as much as anyone, Crush took two 2019 holdbacks this year and already had a couple before that. Legacy has several holdbacks as well, sad part is none of these boys are standing out even playing down. Parents should be b8w2mhiding in embarrassment for good reason! And yes we are all talking about your reckless choices that have hurt your son's as well as the sport.
Love all this igloo nonsense. Lucky tomorrow was cancelled Legacy by 5+ in Denver
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny thing igloo has been playing w illegal kids for years. And Tony Bologna has allowed it. I don't like everything 91 is about either but the cheating that igloo has done has irked me Express and 91 are established products while igloo went from non profit to big money grab. No one wants to be involved with igloo not NLF OR the smaller Passport alliance. I wonder why ?! TA is laughed at by club directors
passport alliance?? Thats a freaking joke. Not one competitive team left in it. ZERO. Big things coming forward. Hope igloo is apart of it all. Its coming.


91 cheats just as much as anyone, Crush took two 2019 holdbacks this year and already had a couple before that. Legacy has several holdbacks as well, sad part is none of these boys are standing out even playing down. Parents should be b8w2mhiding in embarrassment for good reason! And yes we are all talking about your reckless choices that have hurt your son's as well as the sport.


Your post lost validity when you threw in that Crush had holdbacks prior to this year. If you are going to rant about a team, know your facts. Exaggeration is never helpful in making a point. Now, I do agree with you that holdbacks ruin the sport for all, kid included. Lax needs to be regulated to continue to be a sport worth playing competitively.
The Two 2021 teams that changed drastically for WSYL was Legacy & 91.

The two teams that looked the same was Black Ice & Icon. Kudos to them for bringing their real 2021 teams.

No matter what the champion will still come from Long Island.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny thing igloo has been playing w illegal kids for years. And Tony Bologna has allowed it. I don't like everything 91 is about either but the cheating that igloo has done has irked me Express and 91 are established products while igloo went from non profit to big money grab. No one wants to be involved with igloo not NLF OR the smaller Passport alliance. I wonder why ?! TA is laughed at by club directors
passport alliance?? Thats a freaking joke. Not one competitive team left in it. ZERO. Big things coming forward. Hope igloo is apart of it all. Its coming.


91 cheats just as much as anyone, Crush took two 2019 holdbacks this year and already had a couple before that. Legacy has several holdbacks as well, sad part is none of these boys are standing out even playing down. Parents should be b8w2mhiding in embarrassment for good reason! And yes we are all talking about your reckless choices that have hurt your son's as well as the sport.


Your post lost validity when you threw in that Crush had holdbacks prior to this year. If you are going to rant about a team, know your facts. Exaggeration is never helpful in making a point. Now, I do agree with you that holdbacks ruin the sport for all, kid included. Lax needs to be regulated to continue to be a sport worth playing competitively.


Those are the facts!Last year At least 2 should be in 8th grade based on their birthdays. Now it's at least 4 that should be in 9th. Nothing different than what all the other clubs are doing. All have older kids, unfortunately that's just ghe way it is since there are no rules. Saw 4 crush kids on Blaze that were not able to do anything against Igloo. They are just a much better team.
Thats the dumbest thing I have ever hears. Why would an organization not send its 20 best players who qualify ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Two 2021 teams that changed drastically for WSYL was Legacy & 91.

The two teams that looked the same was Black Ice & Icon. Kudos to them for bringing their real 2021 teams.

No matter what the champion will still come from Long Island.
Sept 1 should be the cutoff. NOT May 1. Icon, Igloo and Express only teams that went with same team. This was a 2021 tourney. Legacy was not age appropriate. It was a joke. They should be proud. Birth certificates mean nothing unless u have a photo ID that u are checking. Tournament was a joke. Should of been a check in tent to make sure kids names matched birth certificates. Great win Igloo. I could have sent in my younger sons birth certificate in and let my older son play. Nobody would know. It wasn't checked. It's all nonsense.
Legacy brought an entire team of 8th graders. Lets see how many the real 2021 team ins this year!!!!
No they didn't. They took their 2020 kids that were age appropriate and back filled those who where not with 2021 players. My fiends kid is in 7th grade and went
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy brought an entire team of 8th graders. Lets see how many the real 2021 team ins this year!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy brought an entire team of 8th graders. Lets see how many the real 2021 team ins this year!!!!


Why would anyone care? This is age based
Why would anyone care - this was a grade based tourney last year w an age restriction. The WSYL changed the rules midway - extended the age range and dropped the grade requirement. Some team were already set. Others brought their 2021 teams - as was originally the rules during tryouts.

The only thing this effects is the credibility of WSYL. They should have waited a year. Or maybe they needed to change the rules midway because the turn out would have been poor.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why would anyone care - this was a grade based tourney last year w an age restriction. The WSYL changed the rules midway - extended the age range and dropped the grade requirement. Some team were already set. Others brought their 2021 teams - as was originally the rules during tryouts.

The only thing this effects is the credibility of WSYL. They should have waited a year. Or maybe they needed to change the rules midway because the turn out would have been poor.


Doesn't look like they are hurting for teams- seems like many are okay with new rules and even applaud the age restrictions. No where did it say that WSYL was going to align their rules with club try outs. It was up to each club to bring a team that fit the rules- period.
There are only 2/3 2021 kids on legacy
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why would anyone care - this was a grade based tourney last year w an age restriction. The WSYL changed the rules midway - extended the age range and dropped the grade requirement. Some team were already set. Others brought their 2021 teams - as was originally the rules during tryouts.

The only thing this effects is the credibility of WSYL. They should have waited a year. Or maybe they needed to change the rules midway because the turn out would have been poor.


sux this is the transition year to age based but it makes the most sense. everyone on even playing field going forward.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why would anyone care - this was a grade based tourney last year w an age restriction. The WSYL changed the rules midway - extended the age range and dropped the grade requirement. Some team were already set. Others brought their 2021 teams - as was originally the rules during tryouts.

The only thing this effects is the credibility of WSYL. They should have waited a year. Or maybe they needed to change the rules midway because the turn out would have been poor.


Actually the age requirement is exactly the same as it was last year. The thing that changed was last year it was 2020 teams. This year there is no graduation year attached so teams have been created just for this event. Which, in my opinion, will be the downfall of this. It is now nothing like the LLWS, which is an amazing long-running event!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why would anyone care - this was a grade based tourney last year w an age restriction. The WSYL changed the rules midway - extended the age range and dropped the grade requirement. Some team were already set. Others brought their 2021 teams - as was originally the rules during tryouts.

The only thing this effects is the credibility of WSYL. They should have waited a year. Or maybe they needed to change the rules midway because the turn out would have been poor.


Actually the age requirement is exactly the same as it was last year. The thing that changed was last year it was 2020 teams. This year there is no graduation year attached so teams have been created just for this event. Which, in my opinion, will be the downfall of this. It is now nothing like the LLWS, which is an amazing long-running event!
That's actually an interesting concept. The LLWS is a town & age based 12U tournament. (Although in recent years the age cut-off has changed, making it almost 13U. And of course there are always programs that try to game the age and residency rules) Not sure if a Town based tourney could ever work in lacrosse, but the with early WSYL qualifiers it 'forces' summer clubs to put together a spring team with a few practices. (Of course this doesn't affect the so-called 360 teams)
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey 91 how did those extra players work out for you ???? LMAO maybe you should just play with your team ....poor kids who you replaced could not have done any worse than what you had . Very said all that BS and you get smoked


Total DISGRACE....91 attempts to win at no cost, eliminates kids that were on the team and gets their asses kicked. Good for you! This is only round 1. Round 2 [lacrosse] kickin comes in Denver...If you even make it to the finals there. YOU WILL NEVER WIN IT THIS YEAR.
And neither will Igloo ! You igloo people are funny win a agame and like like you won a world championship. Lucky for you Sunday was cancelled because the way you won is the way you would of lost.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why would anyone care - this was a grade based tourney last year w an age restriction. The WSYL changed the rules midway - extended the age range and dropped the grade requirement. Some team were already set. Others brought their 2021 teams - as was originally the rules during tryouts.

The only thing this effects is the credibility of WSYL. They should have waited a year. Or maybe they needed to change the rules midway because the turn out would have been poor.


Actually the age requirement is exactly the same as it was last year. The thing that changed was last year it was 2020 teams. This year there is no graduation year attached so teams have been created just for this event. Which, in my opinion, will be the downfall of this. It is now nothing like the LLWS, which is an amazing long-running event!


Exactly
very disappointing how 91 has handled this and the unity of that team...kids were competing during Fall/Winter getting ready to move outside for the Spring to compete even more for spots on the rotation, and tourneys, etc...then this comes a long...picks a team a few wks right before the tourney and jams a few practices in with 4 crushers...in a tourney that really means nothing...some kids not picked, opt out, others go because they feel like they have to, others hardly play during games or practice, even ones playing more are effected as there is no continuity/flow in the team and their play...complete disaster and hearing crazy tension there...coaches arguing, defenders running midfield, middies running attack...am sure they will work hard between now and Denver and may even win it but it makes you wonder was it really worth it?
Congrats to Igloo who played great, it will be a good game against the Taz team if the face in Denver. Congrats to Icon who play their straight 2021 team and was the only team team to play Taz tough. Still was unable to figure out how they place three weak teams in one bracket and one weak team in the other. When I looked at the scores 91 and Igloo really only had one good against each other and Igloo must have played great.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And neither will Igloo ! You igloo people are funny win a agame and like like you won a world championship. Lucky for you Sunday was cancelled because the way you won is the way you would of lost.


Igloo can not beat Legacy will not be close either Guaranteed
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy will win this thing. You watch igloo man upped and face offed past Blaze keeping it away from their offense. Can't do that vs Legacy as Legacy will win EVERY face off and is bigger and stronger Won't be close either


You only won 6-3 against a notably smaller but talented Icon team. Igloo will win hands down
Igloo beat Icon 4-3 last season ,so if Igloo and Taz face each other in Denver should be a good game. I know Igloo won big over the 91 but I still think 91 will we a difficult out in Denver, with the older kids.
Older kids w 91. The entire Legacy team are 2020 kids minus 2or 3
Igloo 2021 v Legacy 2020 will be a great game if it happens. The great news is two of the NLF teams (91 and Express) couldn't get it done this past weekend.

We'll see if 91 tries to influence the brackets out in Denver to give 91 a remote chance of moving up in brackets. After all, WSYL is sponsored by Warrior. Warrior sponsors all the 91 events that are run with cronies from my lacrosse tournaments. Favors will be called in. Easy games will be set. And who knows, even a roster change under the table.
If an anonymous poster has a question to ask me, you know how to reach me. I do not answer to anonymous.. You know who I am and if you want me to address you, I want to know who you are.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very disappointing how 91 has handled this and the unity of that team...kids were competing during Fall/Winter getting ready to move outside for the Spring to compete even more for spots on the rotation, and tourneys, etc...then this comes a long...picks a team a few wks right before the tourney and jams a few practices in with 4 crushers...in a tourney that really means nothing...some kids not picked, opt out, others go because they feel like they have to, others hardly play during games or practice, even ones playing more are effected as there is no continuity/flow in the team and their play...complete disaster and hearing crazy tension there...coaches arguing, defenders running midfield, middies running attack...am sure they will work hard between now and Denver and may even win it but it makes you wonder was it really worth it?


It will all be worth it because Daddy told me I'm the best and will never loose. Daddy is always right!
Hey Bob use spell check
Obviously these are Legacy people stirring it up. Because otherwise the focus would be on an entire team of 2020 boys which is what should be the focus
I have no idea what 91 did or didn't do. This I do know. Winning this event says you have the best youth team in the Country and translates into dollars. Organizations want to win this event. Right now these kids shouldn't even be playing travel ball since its the School season anyway. Consider it bonus lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very disappointing how 91 has handled this and the unity of that team...kids were competing during Fall/Winter getting ready to move outside for the Spring to compete even more for spots on the rotation, and tourneys, etc...then this comes a long...picks a team a few wks right before the tourney and jams a few practices in with 4 crushers...in a tourney that really means nothing...some kids not picked, opt out, others go because they feel like they have to, others hardly play during games or practice, even ones playing more are effected as there is no continuity/flow in the team and their play...complete disaster and hearing crazy tension there...coaches arguing, defenders running midfield, middies running attack...am sure they will work hard between now and Denver and may even win it but it makes you wonder was it really worth it?
I love your excuses!!!! The rules are the rules. Make sure when your son plays this year he tells his school coach he is scared to play against an 8th grader who is 3 months older than him, better yet I hope he's good enough to play in HS or College when he's a freshman tell his college coach or HS coach he can't play until he's a senior because mommy and daddy are afraid it won't be fair.
That NLF thing is more important as well as the brand of 91. You can't lose and say your the best apparently.

Only one guy developed talent that's JS. The rest acquire it and put there name on it.

They will sacrifice every kid for the better of the 91 brand, they are up 21-0 and they still have those CRUSHERS in scoring at will and not to mention some of the parents and the way they act. I saw a 91 kid flip a parent off after the igloo game because they were celebrating.

Nice job 91
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very disappointing how 91 has handled this and the unity of that team...kids were competing during Fall/Winter getting ready to move outside for the Spring to compete even more for spots on the rotation, and tourneys, etc...then this comes a long...picks a team a few wks right before the tourney and jams a few practices in with 4 crushers...in a tourney that really means nothing...some kids not picked, opt out, others go because they feel like they have to, others hardly play during games or practice, even ones playing more are effected as there is no continuity/flow in the team and their play...complete disaster and hearing crazy tension there...coaches arguing, defenders running midfield, middies running attack...am sure they will work hard between now and Denver and may even win it but it makes you wonder was it really worth it?


How does 91 use Crush Kids when the rules clearly state that players must be on the team

"All players must compete with their team or program on a regular basis. Minimum requirements are that players must compete with their team/program for at least two other tournaments or in a seasonal league. These events do not need to precede the qualifier but must precede the Championship event. WSYL reserves the right to require proof of participation in these tournaments or leagues. Players cannot be added only to participate in the World Series."
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That NLF thing is more important as well as the brand of 91. You can't lose and say your the best apparently.

Only one guy developed talent that's JS. The rest acquire it and put there name on it.

They will sacrifice every kid for the better of the 91 brand, they are up 21-0 and they still have those CRUSHERS in scoring at will and not to mention some of the parents and the way they act. I saw a 91 kid flip a parent off after the igloo game because they were celebrating.

Nice job 91


The 91 Crushers were smoked by 7th graders, ironic, ehh?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very disappointing how 91 has handled this and the unity of that team...kids were competing during Fall/Winter getting ready to move outside for the Spring to compete even more for spots on the rotation, and tourneys, etc...then this comes a long...picks a team a few wks right before the tourney and jams a few practices in with 4 crushers...in a tourney that really means nothing...some kids not picked, opt out, others go because they feel like they have to, others hardly play during games or practice, even ones playing more are effected as there is no continuity/flow in the team and their play...complete disaster and hearing crazy tension there...coaches arguing, defenders running midfield, middies running attack...am sure they will work hard between now and Denver and may even win it but it makes you wonder was it really worth it?


How does 91 use Crush Kids when the rules clearly state that players must be on the team

"All players must compete with their team or program on a regular basis. Minimum requirements are that players must compete with their team/program for at least two other tournaments or in a seasonal league. These events do not need to precede the qualifier but must precede the Championship event. WSYL reserves the right to require proof of participation in these tournaments or leagues. Players cannot be added only to participate in the World Series."


They need to compete for a minimum of two other tournaments with the team. It says it in the rules quoted. You can play for a travel team and then you can play for a tournament team as well.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very disappointing how 91 has handled this and the unity of that team...kids were competing during Fall/Winter getting ready to move outside for the Spring to compete even more for spots on the rotation, and tourneys, etc...then this comes a long...picks a team a few wks right before the tourney and jams a few practices in with 4 crushers...in a tourney that really means nothing...some kids not picked, opt out, others go because they feel like they have to, others hardly play during games or practice, even ones playing more are effected as there is no continuity/flow in the team and their play...complete disaster and hearing crazy tension there...coaches arguing, defenders running midfield, middies running attack...am sure they will work hard between now and Denver and may even win it but it makes you wonder was it really worth it?


How does 91 use Crush Kids when the rules clearly state that players must be on the team

"All players must compete with their team or program on a regular basis. Minimum requirements are that players must compete with their team/program for at least two other tournaments or in a seasonal league. These events do not need to precede the qualifier but must precede the Championship event. WSYL reserves the right to require proof of participation in these tournaments or leagues. Players cannot be added only to participate in the World Series."



They played shamrock and qualifier, it's that simple. The rules were made so the teams didn't have to play together the entire season.
The qualifier doesn't count as an event just an FYI. They need to play in the qualifier and 2 other events.
how do you play in a grade based tournament as team of mixed 2020/2021. I guess they play in a 2020 bracket?
Have to play 2020 tournament. As does Legacy who has an a tire team of 2020 kids
So you're telling me the Crush kids are going to play 2 more tournaments with Blaze in the 2020 bracket. Because they can't play 2021. Find it hard to believe they would waste their weekend when they can be playing with their Crush team. .
Or Legacy is going to let their couple 2021 kids play in 2020 tournament s. Doubt that

You were correct until you mentioned they shouldn't be playing travel ball at this time due to school ball season.So what your saying is it's time to regress with Middle School ball ? So the kids who trained all year long with their travel organization should take this time now to rest and focus on strictly town , play at the level of kids who do not participate in travel and picked up their stick a month ago to tune up for town.. Just Way to many clueless people still stuck with town ball "rules" that have vanished years ago, no less middle school ball. Or just maybe your one of those guys who are all about town travel and wish some kids who play elsewhere would come play for your town to make the team better as the coach is not offering the high intensity training that others are getting.
Come back in 4 years and see who's left on Varsity as far as who plays travel and who doesn't. The game has evolved and travel offers way more then political town ball, and as this age group is the largest Boom of high end lacrosse players you will be seeing drastic changes like it or not at all town school varsity programs , there will be no choice left for town to up their programs if the varsity coaches want to keep their jobs..




Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have no idea what 91 did or didn't do. This I do know. Winning this event says you have the best youth team in the Country and translates into dollars. Organizations want to win this event. Right now these kids shouldn't even be playing travel ball since its the School season anyway. Consider it bonus lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very disappointing how 91 has handled this and the unity of that team...kids were competing during Fall/Winter getting ready to move outside for the Spring to compete even more for spots on the rotation, and tourneys, etc...then this comes a long...picks a team a few wks right before the tourney and jams a few practices in with 4 crushers...in a tourney that really means nothing...some kids not picked, opt out, others go because they feel like they have to, others hardly play during games or practice, even ones playing more are effected as there is no continuity/flow in the team and their play...complete disaster and hearing crazy tension there...coaches arguing, defenders running midfield, middies running attack...am sure they will work hard between now and Denver and may even win it but it makes you wonder was it really worth it?
Your wrong. Heres why. Some kids choose not to play on their middle school teams, thats fine, the studs will have been brought up to Varsity. At any rate, if you are playing school ball you are playing 6 days a week , two hours a day. An athlete should rest at least one day. Your going to run the kid into the ground. Also, programs ,like the SMithtowns , Ward Mellville . CSH, and many others have great programs and coaches. I believe Chaminade just lost to one f these programs. Chained who picks the best of the best lax players in the Island could not beat a reggae;r HS team that has to draw its players from its own school boundaries.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

You were correct until you mentioned they shouldn't be playing travel ball at this time due to school ball season.So what your saying is it's time to regress with Middle School ball ? So the kids who trained all year long with their travel organization should take this time now to rest and focus on strictly town , play at the level of kids who do not participate in travel and picked up their stick a month ago to tune up for town.. Just Way to many clueless people still stuck with town ball "rules" that have vanished years ago, no less middle school ball. Or just maybe your one of those guys who are all about town travel and wish some kids who play elsewhere would come play for your town to make the team better as the coach is not offering the high intensity training that others are getting.
Come back in 4 years and see who's left on Varsity as far as who plays travel and who doesn't. The game has evolved and travel offers way more then political town ball, and as this age group is the largest Boom of high end lacrosse players you will be seeing drastic changes like it or not at all town school varsity programs , there will be no choice left for town to up their programs if the varsity coaches want to keep their jobs..




Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have no idea what 91 did or didn't do. This I do know. Winning this event says you have the best youth team in the Country and translates into dollars. Organizations want to win this event. Right now these kids shouldn't even be playing travel ball since its the School season anyway. Consider it bonus lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very disappointing how 91 has handled this and the unity of that team...kids were competing during Fall/Winter getting ready to move outside for the Spring to compete even more for spots on the rotation, and tourneys, etc...then this comes a long...picks a team a few wks right before the tourney and jams a few practices in with 4 crushers...in a tourney that really means nothing...some kids not picked, opt out, others go because they feel like they have to, others hardly play during games or practice, even ones playing more are effected as there is no continuity/flow in the team and their play...complete disaster and hearing crazy tension there...coaches arguing, defenders running midfield, middies running attack...am sure they will work hard between now and Denver and may even win it but it makes you wonder was it really worth it?
By the way. my son os playing MS ball and he loves it. He likes being with his friends. He enjoys helping kids learn how to play. My friend coaches JV, his school had a kid pick up a stick for the first team in 9th grade, by 10 grade he was a varsity starter. For some of these kids , they will in fact be playing for their School at the Varsity level, they will want to win. SO developing this other players is important. We try to keep our youth teams going, not for the 4 or 5 who are great and play travel, but for players 6 through 10 who will be needed to contribute at some point down the road. This is the time for your child to lean to be leader. His skills should not go cold because he spends 10 weeks to 12 weeks playing school ball. As for Travel. cool , awesome. just had one of kids get a scholarship to a very good academic college for lax, he never played travel. I know varsity coaches, they say recruiting runs the gambit, son of their players never speak to them about it and the travel team does it all, while other kids do it totally threw him.
Town Lacrosse is heathy good for Boys socially as well playing with friends
Yea and those schools you mentioned have a massive amount of travel organization affiliations on each of those named teams.. If you think those are strictly town .. think again. This age group in particular is tremendous in the amount of travel being played , any organization will tell you 2021 is the largest draw of all age groups , and play level is above and beyond for the majority of those kids then what's ahead of them when they were at that age.
Its on an incline and the younger are even more savvy then the 2021's . times have changed and the game has changed !



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your wrong. Heres why. Some kids choose not to play on their middle school teams, thats fine, the studs will have been brought up to Varsity. At any rate, if you are playing school ball you are playing 6 days a week , two hours a day. An athlete should rest at least one day. Your going to run the kid into the ground. Also, programs ,like the SMithtowns , Ward Mellville . CSH, and many others have great programs and coaches. I believe Chaminade just lost to one f these programs. Chained who picks the best of the best lax players in the Island could not beat a reggae;r HS team that has to draw its players from its own school boundaries.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

You were correct until you mentioned they shouldn't be playing travel ball at this time due to school ball season.So what your saying is it's time to regress with Middle School ball ? So the kids who trained all year long with their travel organization should take this time now to rest and focus on strictly town , play at the level of kids who do not participate in travel and picked up their stick a month ago to tune up for town.. Just Way to many clueless people still stuck with town ball "rules" that have vanished years ago, no less middle school ball. Or just maybe your one of those guys who are all about town travel and wish some kids who play elsewhere would come play for your town to make the team better as the coach is not offering the high intensity training that others are getting.
Come back in 4 years and see who's left on Varsity as far as who plays travel and who doesn't. The game has evolved and travel offers way more then political town ball, and as this age group is the largest Boom of high end lacrosse players you will be seeing drastic changes like it or not at all town school varsity programs , there will be no choice left for town to up their programs if the varsity coaches want to keep their jobs..




Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have no idea what 91 did or didn't do. This I do know. Winning this event says you have the best youth team in the Country and translates into dollars. Organizations want to win this event. Right now these kids shouldn't even be playing travel ball since its the School season anyway. Consider it bonus lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very disappointing how 91 has handled this and the unity of that team...kids were competing during Fall/Winter getting ready to move outside for the Spring to compete even more for spots on the rotation, and tourneys, etc...then this comes a long...picks a team a few wks right before the tourney and jams a few practices in with 4 crushers...in a tourney that really means nothing...some kids not picked, opt out, others go because they feel like they have to, others hardly play during games or practice, even ones playing more are effected as there is no continuity/flow in the team and their play...complete disaster and hearing crazy tension there...coaches arguing, defenders running midfield, middies running attack...am sure they will work hard between now and Denver and may even win it but it makes you wonder was it really worth it?

The only ones ran to the ground is the parents who take them all over!


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your wrong. Heres why. Some kids choose not to play on their middle school teams, thats fine, the studs will have been brought up to Varsity. At any rate, if you are playing school ball you are playing 6 days a week , two hours a day. An athlete should rest at least one day. Your going to run the kid into the ground. Also, programs ,like the SMithtowns , Ward Mellville . CSH, and many others have great programs and coaches. I believe Chaminade just lost to one f these programs. Chained who picks the best of the best lax players in the Island could not beat a reggae;r HS team that has to draw its players from its own school boundaries.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

You were correct until you mentioned they shouldn't be playing travel ball at this time due to school ball season.So what your saying is it's time to regress with Middle School ball ? So the kids who trained all year long with their travel organization should take this time now to rest and focus on strictly town , play at the level of kids who do not participate in travel and picked up their stick a month ago to tune up for town.. Just Way to many clueless people still stuck with town ball "rules" that have vanished years ago, no less middle school ball. Or just maybe your one of those guys who are all about town travel and wish some kids who play elsewhere would come play for your town to make the team better as the coach is not offering the high intensity training that others are getting.
Come back in 4 years and see who's left on Varsity as far as who plays travel and who doesn't. The game has evolved and travel offers way more then political town ball, and as this age group is the largest Boom of high end lacrosse players you will be seeing drastic changes like it or not at all town school varsity programs , there will be no choice left for town to up their programs if the varsity coaches want to keep their jobs..




Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have no idea what 91 did or didn't do. This I do know. Winning this event says you have the best youth team in the Country and translates into dollars. Organizations want to win this event. Right now these kids shouldn't even be playing travel ball since its the School season anyway. Consider it bonus lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very disappointing how 91 has handled this and the unity of that team...kids were competing during Fall/Winter getting ready to move outside for the Spring to compete even more for spots on the rotation, and tourneys, etc...then this comes a long...picks a team a few wks right before the tourney and jams a few practices in with 4 crushers...in a tourney that really means nothing...some kids not picked, opt out, others go because they feel like they have to, others hardly play during games or practice, even ones playing more are effected as there is no continuity/flow in the team and their play...complete disaster and hearing crazy tension there...coaches arguing, defenders running midfield, middies running attack...am sure they will work hard between now and Denver and may even win it but it makes you wonder was it really worth it?
the legacy WS team is playing in 2 additional tournaments as a group on LI in 2020 brackets.
Another delusional parent, let me guess your not and everyone else is.

You can practice 7 days week or 1 it doesn't change the athlete, some kids can pick up the game at 10th grade and be good, others can play 7 days a week for 13 years and it won't make a difference. Understand that everyone is crazy and everyone makes a choice and no one really cares what your choice is. Once you get over yourself and stop worrying about everyone else and who does what it shouldn't matter.

Also to the guys who stay on 91 with a person who benches you to win and throws you to the curb and you stick around because you think your son is getting better makes me laugh.

Go to the crush games and watch the 7 kids who don't play and then watch were they are in 4 years crying that their HS goal stinks because JS had them on crush
What two additional tournaments are the Blaze/Crush kids playing in?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What two additional tournaments are the Blaze/Crush kids playing in?


IT DOESNT MATTER. THIS TEAM WILL BE NOWHERE NEAR THE FINALS IN DENVER. THEY WILL GET SMOKED JUST AS THEY DID THIS PAST WEEKEND. THEY ARE THE DEFINITION OF TURMOIL.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another delusional parent, let me guess your not and everyone else is.

You can practice 7 days week or 1 it doesn't change the athlete, some kids can pick up the game at 10th grade and be good, others can play 7 days a week for 13 years and it won't make a difference. Understand that everyone is crazy and everyone makes a choice and no one really cares what your choice is. Once you get over yourself and stop worrying about everyone else and who does what it shouldn't matter.

Also to the guys who stay on 91 with a person who benches you to win and throws you to the curb and you stick around because you think your son is getting better makes me laugh.

Go to the crush games and watch the 7 kids who don't play and then watch were they are in 4 years crying that their HS goal stinks because JS had them on crush


Which basically means they aren't or weren't good enough
I know two kids, both great lax players, both had major injuries and tons of wear and tear problems with their feet because of how much they played. Now maybe kids will stop playing MS, maybe they will stop playing JV and Varsity and it will only be club, but I doubt it. SO if you want to take a 12 year old kids, put him through two hours of practice 6 days a week and then travel on top of it, even if you get lucky and you don't burn him out mentally , you will grind him down physically. . Cripes, Travel can freaking take tow months off.

Yea and those schools you mentioned have a massive amount of travel organization affiliations on each of those named teams.. If you think those are strictly town .. think again. This age group in particular is tremendous in the amount of travel being played , any organization will tell you 2021 is the largest draw of all age groups , and play level is above and beyond for the majority of those kids then what's ahead of them when they were at that age.
Its on an incline and the younger are even more savvy then the 2021's . times have changed and the game has changed !
Originally Posted by Anonymous

You were correct until you mentioned they shouldn't be playing travel ball at this time due to school ball season.So what your saying is it's time to regress with Middle School ball ? So the kids who trained all year long with their travel organization should take this time now to rest and focus on strictly town , play at the level of kids who do not participate in travel and picked up their stick a month ago to tune up for town.. Just Way to many clueless people still stuck with town ball "rules" that have vanished years ago, no less middle school ball. Or just maybe your one of those guys who are all about town travel and wish some kids who play elsewhere would come play for your town to make the team better as the coach is not offering the high intensity training that others are getting.
Come back in 4 years and see who's left on Varsity as far as who plays travel and who doesn't. The game has evolved and travel offers way more then political town ball, and as this age group is the largest Boom of high end lacrosse players you will be seeing drastic changes like it or not at all town school varsity programs , there will be no choice left for town to up their programs if the varsity coaches want to keep their jobs..




Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have no idea what 91 did or didn't do. This I do know. Winning this event says you have the best youth team in the Country and translates into dollars. Organizations want to win this event. Right now these kids shouldn't even be playing travel ball since its the School season anyway. Consider it bonus lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very disappointing how 91 has handled this and the unity of that team...kids were competing during Fall/Winter getting ready to move outside for the Spring to compete even more for spots on the rotation, and tourneys, etc...then this comes a long...picks a team a few wks right before the tourney and jams a few practices in with 4 crushers...in a tourney that really means nothing...some kids not picked, opt out, others go because they feel like they have to, others hardly play during games or practice, even ones playing more are effected as there is no continuity/flow in the team and their play...complete disaster and hearing crazy tension there...coaches arguing, defenders running midfield, middies running attack...am sure they will work hard between now and Denver and may even win it but it makes you wonder was it really worth it?


I would think most competitive travel 7th grade lacrosse players would be playing on the JV for the town they live in. At least I know my son does. Middle school lacrosse would be a complete waste for him.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

You were correct until you mentioned they shouldn't be playing travel ball at this time due to school ball season.So what your saying is it's time to regress with Middle School ball ? So the kids who trained all year long with their travel organization should take this time now to rest and focus on strictly town , play at the level of kids who do not participate in travel and picked up their stick a month ago to tune up for town.. Just Way to many clueless people still stuck with town ball "rules" that have vanished years ago, no less middle school ball. Or just maybe your one of those guys who are all about town travel and wish some kids who play elsewhere would come play for your town to make the team better as the coach is not offering the high intensity training that others are getting.
Come back in 4 years and see who's left on Varsity as far as who plays travel and who doesn't. The game has evolved and travel offers way more then political town ball, and as this age group is the largest Boom of high end lacrosse players you will be seeing drastic changes like it or not at all town school varsity programs , there will be no choice left for town to up their programs if the varsity coaches want to keep their jobs..




Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have no idea what 91 did or didn't do. This I do know. Winning this event says you have the best youth team in the Country and translates into dollars. Organizations want to win this event. Right now these kids shouldn't even be playing travel ball since its the School season anyway. Consider it bonus lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very disappointing how 91 has handled this and the unity of that team...kids were competing during Fall/Winter getting ready to move outside for the Spring to compete even more for spots on the rotation, and tourneys, etc...then this comes a long...picks a team a few wks right before the tourney and jams a few practices in with 4 crushers...in a tourney that really means nothing...some kids not picked, opt out, others go because they feel like they have to, others hardly play during games or practice, even ones playing more are effected as there is no continuity/flow in the team and their play...complete disaster and hearing crazy tension there...coaches arguing, defenders running midfield, middies running attack...am sure they will work hard between now and Denver and may even win it but it makes you wonder was it really worth it?


I would think most competitive travel 7th grade lacrosse players would be playing on the JV for the town they live in. At least I know my son does. Middle school lacrosse would be a complete waste for him.
Because in your mind, just playing lacrosse for fun with his friends is a complete waste. In 8th grade he'll be on Varsity and in 9th grade he'll have a full commitment from the best D1 school out there...
Your son must play on a very weak JV team. In our town there is no way any 7th grader in the country could play on it.

Not every school allows 7th grade kids to play jv. If they are pulling kids from 7th grade it usually means they need players or it is a weaker program. Middle school ball is fine. It never hurts no matter how good a kid is to keep learning and practicing the basic fundamentals of the game that advanced travel teams spend less time doing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

You were correct until you mentioned they shouldn't be playing travel ball at this time due to school ball season.So what your saying is it's time to regress with Middle School ball ? So the kids who trained all year long with their travel organization should take this time now to rest and focus on strictly town , play at the level of kids who do not participate in travel and picked up their stick a month ago to tune up for town.. Just Way to many clueless people still stuck with town ball "rules" that have vanished years ago, no less middle school ball. Or just maybe your one of those guys who are all about town travel and wish some kids who play elsewhere would come play for your town to make the team better as the coach is not offering the high intensity training that others are getting.
Come back in 4 years and see who's left on Varsity as far as who plays travel and who doesn't. The game has evolved and travel offers way more then political town ball, and as this age group is the largest Boom of high end lacrosse players you will be seeing drastic changes like it or not at all town school varsity programs , there will be no choice left for town to up their programs if the varsity coaches want to keep their jobs..




Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have no idea what 91 did or didn't do. This I do know. Winning this event says you have the best youth team in the Country and translates into dollars. Organizations want to win this event. Right now these kids shouldn't even be playing travel ball since its the School season anyway. Consider it bonus lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very disappointing how 91 has handled this and the unity of that team...kids were competing during Fall/Winter getting ready to move outside for the Spring to compete even more for spots on the rotation, and tourneys, etc...then this comes a long...picks a team a few wks right before the tourney and jams a few practices in with 4 crushers...in a tourney that really means nothing...some kids not picked, opt out, others go because they feel like they have to, others hardly play during games or practice, even ones playing more are effected as there is no continuity/flow in the team and their play...complete disaster and hearing crazy tension there...coaches arguing, defenders running midfield, middies running attack...am sure they will work hard between now and Denver and may even win it but it makes you wonder was it really worth it?


I would think most competitive travel 7th grade lacrosse players would be playing on the JV for the town they live in. At least I know my son does. Middle school lacrosse would be a complete waste for him.

Many schools do not bring up 7th grade boys lacrosse players . Our town is behind the times .a current MS team loaded with competitive 7Th and 8th graders all coming from good travel teams are mixed with kids who have struggled for many years to learn the game and to be more specific catch, throw and know how to play positions. Everyone gets a trophy on this team regardless of work ethic. Hopefully as they get with the times , the ones who work hard prevail and the ones who do not should pick up another sport, there's no way to strengthen a program like the top echelons have unless the work hard get rewarded motto is implemented.
Way to many politically correct ways of doing things set up for a recipe for disaster for many kids down the road when being led on until they get older and cut from JV or varsity.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

You were correct until you mentioned they shouldn't be playing travel ball at this time due to school ball season.So what your saying is it's time to regress with Middle School ball ? So the kids who trained all year long with their travel organization should take this time now to rest and focus on strictly town , play at the level of kids who do not participate in travel and picked up their stick a month ago to tune up for town.. Just Way to many clueless people still stuck with town ball "rules" that have vanished years ago, no less middle school ball. Or just maybe your one of those guys who are all about town travel and wish some kids who play elsewhere would come play for your town to make the team better as the coach is not offering the high intensity training that others are getting.
Come back in 4 years and see who's left on Varsity as far as who plays travel and who doesn't. The game has evolved and travel offers way more then political town ball, and as this age group is the largest Boom of high end lacrosse players you will be seeing drastic changes like it or not at all town school varsity programs , there will be no choice left for town to up their programs if the varsity coaches want to keep their jobs..




Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have no idea what 91 did or didn't do. This I do know. Winning this event says you have the best youth team in the Country and translates into dollars. Organizations want to win this event. Right now these kids shouldn't even be playing travel ball since its the School season anyway. Consider it bonus lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very disappointing how 91 has handled this and the unity of that team...kids were competing during Fall/Winter getting ready to move outside for the Spring to compete even more for spots on the rotation, and tourneys, etc...then this comes a long...picks a team a few wks right before the tourney and jams a few practices in with 4 crushers...in a tourney that really means nothing...some kids not picked, opt out, others go because they feel like they have to, others hardly play during games or practice, even ones playing more are effected as there is no continuity/flow in the team and their play...complete disaster and hearing crazy tension there...coaches arguing, defenders running midfield, middies running attack...am sure they will work hard between now and Denver and may even win it but it makes you wonder was it really worth it?


I would think most competitive travel 7th grade lacrosse players would be playing on the JV for the town they live in. At least I know my son does. Middle school lacrosse would be a complete waste for him.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

You were correct until you mentioned they shouldn't be playing travel ball at this time due to school ball season.So what your saying is it's time to regress with Middle School ball ? So the kids who trained all year long with their travel organization should take this time now to rest and focus on strictly town , play at the level of kids who do not participate in travel and picked up their stick a month ago to tune up for town.. Just Way to many clueless people still stuck with town ball "rules" that have vanished years ago, no less middle school ball. Or just maybe your one of those guys who are all about town travel and wish some kids who play elsewhere would come play for your town to make the team better as the coach is not offering the high intensity training that others are getting.
Come back in 4 years and see who's left on Varsity as far as who plays travel and who doesn't. The game has evolved and travel offers way more then political town ball, and as this age group is the largest Boom of high end lacrosse players you will be seeing drastic changes like it or not at all town school varsity programs , there will be no choice left for town to up their programs if the varsity coaches want to keep their jobs..




Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have no idea what 91 did or didn't do. This I do know. Winning this event says you have the best youth team in the Country and translates into dollars. Organizations want to win this event. Right now these kids shouldn't even be playing travel ball since its the School season anyway. Consider it bonus lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very disappointing how 91 has handled this and the unity of that team...kids were competing during Fall/Winter getting ready to move outside for the Spring to compete even more for spots on the rotation, and tourneys, etc...then this comes a long...picks a team a few wks right before the tourney and jams a few practices in with 4 crushers...in a tourney that really means nothing...some kids not picked, opt out, others go because they feel like they have to, others hardly play during games or practice, even ones playing more are effected as there is no continuity/flow in the team and their play...complete disaster and hearing crazy tension there...coaches arguing, defenders running midfield, middies running attack...am sure they will work hard between now and Denver and may even win it but it makes you wonder was it really worth it?


I would think most competitive travel 7th grade lacrosse players would be playing on the JV for the town they live in. At least I know my son does. Middle school lacrosse would be a complete waste for him.


Boy real bunch of [lacrosse] stirrers .....get a life ....haven't you caused enough trouble
JH is a complete waste for your son ? Are JR high programs that bad. Seems like it less of a commitment which is better with kids playing travel
School ball probably will not get a kid the college looks but is great for the, to compete with their friends
I am just looking at scores for WSYL qualifier did Igloo really beat 91 11-4 ? Must be a typo
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am just looking at scores for WSYL qualifier did Igloo really beat 91 11-4 ? Must be a typo


No typo there, Crush kids couldn't do a thing!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am just looking at scores for WSYL qualifier did Igloo really beat 91 11-4 ? Must be a typo


No typo there, Crush kids couldn't do a thing!


Didn't 91 leave kids home to bring the Crusher kids ??? If so very sad if it is true what i heard
Anyone know which team received an invitation in the North other than Legacy, 91 and Igloo? Did Eclipse, Prime Time, Express, Icon? I heard there may be as many as 6 teams invited.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am just looking at scores for WSYL qualifier did Igloo really beat 91 11-4 ? Must be a typo


No typo there, Crush kids couldn't do a thing!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know which team received an invitation in the North other than Legacy, 91 and Igloo? Did Eclipse, Prime Time, Express, Icon? I heard there may be as many as 6 teams invited.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am just looking at scores for WSYL qualifier did Igloo really beat 91 11-4 ? Must be a typo


No typo there, Crush kids couldn't do a thing!


Legacy, Express and Eclipse
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know which team received an invitation in the North other than Legacy, 91 and Igloo? Did Eclipse, Prime Time, Express, Icon? I heard there may be as many as 6 teams invited.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am just looking at scores for WSYL qualifier did Igloo really beat 91 11-4 ? Must be a typo


No typo there, Crush kids couldn't do a thing!


Legacy, Express and Eclipse


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The fact that 91 brought on crush kids to a team that is suppose to be a competitive 7Th grade group will eliminate playtime for starters and as it is feast or famine already for the "top 10 blaze players" ,now you add 4 kids from another team to try to get a championship , which honestly means nothing!! you will cut kids short of playtime and if any which is completely unexceptable. There's no loyalty what so ever with this group of coaches . They will play at all cost and if it means getting complaints from a parent that the Allstar player that received a recruitment phone call while they were still playing for their previous travel team and was excepted to the team in the fall will now be sitting on the sidelines.. How are some of these parents going to deal with the new top 10 players not coming off the field ? Is it really worth sticking around any longer ? , when by no doubt their kids was good enough to make the team , but will be not good enough to play .other then during practice as their practice meat . If my son was on that team I would be a realeast from first site and looks elsewhere! there are plenty of other solid teams who can use an attackman , defenseman or a middie ., dont kid yourselves if your kid hardly gets out their now , it will be real disappointing once things start really rolling, and will be to late by then to jump ship. Don't be fooled by the great practices they have and you do it just for that. It will get played out real quick. You will see other organizations producing the same level on intensity as they get older.




Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am just looking at scores for WSYL qualifier did Igloo really beat 91 11-4 ? Must be a typo


No typo there, Crush kids couldn't do a thing!


Didn't 91 leave kids home to bring the Crusher kids ??? If so very sad if it is true what i heard
What was the score of the 91/FCA-NE game? Anybody know? I wonder why that is not posted on the WSYL site. Did they not play and 91 only played 3 games?
The second day of the North qualifier got canceled due to the weather so they gave bids to the top three teams in each bracket. The teams that are going to Denver are Igloo, 91, Prime Time, Legacy, Eclipse and LIE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know which team received an invitation in the North other than Legacy, 91 and Igloo? Did Eclipse, Prime Time, Express, Icon? I heard there may be as many as 6 teams invited.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am just looking at scores for WSYL qualifier did Igloo really beat 91 11-4 ? Must be a typo


No typo there, Crush kids couldn't do a thing!
what spring tournaments are club teams playing
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know which team received an invitation in the North other than Legacy, 91 and Igloo? Did Eclipse, Prime Time, Express, Icon? I heard there may be as many as 6 teams invited.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am just looking at scores for WSYL qualifier did Igloo really beat 91 11-4 ? Must be a typo


No typo there, Crush kids couldn't do a thing!


Legacy, Express and Eclipse


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Unless you hit the "Quote" button - then the name pops right up where the asterisks were.
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know which team received an invitation in the North other than Legacy, 91 and Igloo? Did Eclipse, Prime Time, Express, Icon? I heard there may be as many as 6 teams invited.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am just looking at scores for WSYL qualifier did Igloo really beat 91 11-4 ? Must be a typo


No typo there, Crush kids couldn't do a thing!


Legacy, Express and Eclipse


Please keep in mind that when you see a club's name come up as asterisks it means that BOTC has made a determination based on our direct knowledge and experience that the club is not a club we want to recommend to parents and players. We demand a very high level of business practices or we deny you any visibility. Buyer beware.


What did they do so the public is aware?
What did that club do
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What did that club do


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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know which team received an invitation in the North other than Legacy, 91 and Igloo? Did Eclipse, Prime Time, Express, Icon? I heard there may be as many as 6 teams invited.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am just looking at scores for WSYL qualifier did Igloo really beat 91 11-4 ? Must be a typo


No typo there, Crush kids couldn't do a thing!


Legacy, Express and Eclipse


Express not going to Denver. Despite what the pot-stirrers will say, Express played with their normal 2021 team up in Worcester. WSYL is a joke and not a level playing field. Not worth the headache. Other clubs can stroke themselves on how great they are watching their 8th grade 2020s (or in the case of [****] even older) run around legit 7th grade 2021s. So impressive.
Was wondering who ******* was. Makes complete sense.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know which team received an invitation in the North other than Legacy, 91 and Igloo? Did Eclipse, Prime Time, Express, Icon? I heard there may be as many as 6 teams invited.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am just looking at scores for WSYL qualifier did Igloo really beat 91 11-4 ? Must be a typo


No typo there, Crush kids couldn't do a thing!


Legacy, Express and Eclipse


Express not going to Denver. Despite what the pot-stirrers will say, Express played with their normal 2021 team up in Worcester. WSYL is a joke and not a level playing field. Not worth the headache. Other clubs can stroke themselves on how great they are watching their 8th grade 2020s (or in the case of [****] even older) run around legit 7th grade 2021s. So impressive.


Agreed that the rule change mid-year made this tourney less reputable. But the tourney is technically age based, not grade based and decisions on what team to bring rests on the director. Kudos to all the teams that went with their 21's (unlike 91, [****], and Primetime).

BUT, now would be the time to call out the bs if you know something about [****]'s older kids, if they even qualify or had inaccurate birth certificates. Some families on Express are from [****]'s south shore area on LI that would know the truth. It should have been reported during the tournament if you were aware. Do what's right and report it now. It's not too late and maybe you can help the tournament directors make it more legit.

Otherwise you're making excuses and condoning the behavior. Those who willingly stand by and stay silent are equally at fault.
I call BS. The WS of lacrosse is sponsored by Coke and ESPN. They chose to do it by age because thats how every other sport and normal thinking human beings have decides id the fairest way to do it. If you did it by grade your inviting players much much older. This is as fair as fair can be. I think its exciting, I think its good for lacrosse. I think any organization that could put a team in would. My kid is not good enough to play at this level, but I still think this a great event. US lacrosse has been preaching for years to go aged based.



Express not going to Denver. Despite what the pot-stirrers will say, Express played with their normal 2021 team up in Worcester. WSYL is a joke and not a level playing field. Not worth the headache. Other clubs can stroke themselves on how great they are watching their 8th grade 2020s (or in the case of [****] even older) run around legit 7th grade 2021s. So impressive.
What team is [****]?
Hay Larry, my kid plays for legacy. Are they the team you say is not reputable?
I'd like to know why because now you got me worried.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know which team received an invitation in the North other than Legacy, 91 and Igloo? Did Eclipse, Prime Time, Express, Icon? I heard there may be as many as 6 teams invited.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am just looking at scores for WSYL qualifier did Igloo really beat 91 11-4 ? Must be a typo


No typo there, Crush kids couldn't do a thing!


Legacy, Express and Eclipse


Express not going to Denver. Despite what the pot-stirrers will say, Express played with their normal 2021 team up in Worcester. WSYL is a joke and not a level playing field. Not worth the headache. Other clubs can stroke themselves on how great they are watching their 8th grade 2020s (or in the case of [****] even older) run around legit 7th grade 2021s. So impressive.


Agreed that the rule change mid-year made this tourney less reputable. But the tourney is technically age based, not grade based and decisions on what team to bring rests on the director. Kudos to all the teams that went with their 21's (unlike 91, [****], and Primetime).

BUT, now would be the time to call out the bs if you know something about [****]'s older kids, if they even qualify or had inaccurate birth certificates. Some families on Express are from [****]'s south shore area on LI that would know the truth. It should have been reported during the tournament if you were aware. Do what's right and report it now. It's not too late and maybe you can help the tournament directors make it more legit.

Otherwise you're making excuses and condoning the behavior. Those who willingly stand by and stay silent are equally at fault.
Sorry to disappoint and discredit your inaccurate bs, but Prime Time came with only their 2021 players. They did ask a 2020 age eligible kid to play but he backed out at the last minute. Now, they did have two 2022 players participate in Worster and maybe that's what's upsetting you?
Agreed grade play is a joke and age play is the only way this should be done , the issue that many have is you play as your current team the team you will be playing with during the travel season , not bring in guest players. It's so obvious n**1 and L****y have gone beyond ridiculous to form actually another team but go in as the 7th grade lable that they promote .how low is that to claim your 7th grade team is going to Denver but by the rules they can bring in kids who make the cut off.
Plain and simple do not promote your team as 7th grade and add players they are playing on your 8th.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
I call BS. The WS of lacrosse is sponsored by Coke and ESPN. They chose to do it by age because thats how every other sport and normal thinking human beings have decides id the fairest way to do it. If you did it by grade your inviting players much much older. This is as fair as fair can be. I think its exciting, I think its good for lacrosse. I think any organization that could put a team in would. My kid is not good enough to play at this level, but I still think this a great event. US lacrosse has been preaching for years to go aged based.



Express not going to Denver. Despite what the pot-stirrers will say, Express played with their normal 2021 team up in Worcester. WSYL is a joke and not a level playing field. Not worth the headache. Other clubs can stroke themselves on how great they are watching their 8th grade 2020s (or in the case of [****] even older) run around legit 7th grade 2021s. So impressive.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I call BS. The WS of lacrosse is sponsored by Coke and ESPN. They chose to do it by age because thats how every other sport and normal thinking human beings have decides id the fairest way to do it. If you did it by grade your inviting players much much older. This is as fair as fair can be. I think its exciting, I think its good for lacrosse. I think any organization that could put a team in would. My kid is not good enough to play at this level, but I still think this a great event. US lacrosse has been preaching for years to go aged based.



Express not going to Denver. Despite what the pot-stirrers will say, Express played with their normal 2021 team up in Worcester. WSYL is a joke and not a level playing field. Not worth the headache. Other clubs can stroke themselves on how great they are watching their 8th grade 2020s (or in the case of [****] even older) run around legit 7th grade 2021s. So impressive.


why do some of you keep referring to 2021? its not a 2021 tourney anymore. Its age based. get over it. sorry you're in the transition year but its for the better.
So happy n**1 is asterisked now. Especially since they are affiliated with tournament group that canceled the lax fest on LI last year!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So happy n**1 is asterisked now. Especially since they are affiliated with tournament group that canceled the lax fest on LI last year!
.... and engineered the last minute rule changes that benefitted them and Legacy and hosed the other teams after they picked their teams!
What's with the asterisks in place of some team names but not others?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's with the asterisks in place of some team names but not others?


Scroll up and read.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So happy n**1 is asterisked now. Especially since they are affiliated with tournament group that canceled the lax fest on LI last year!
.... and engineered the last minute rule changes that benefitted them and Legacy and hosed the other teams after they picked their teams!


One thing is certain all the rule changes came from the WSYL staffs my son plays for express and his coach said that all the NLF Was against this being an age based tournament. Being that no organization makes their teams age based and all are grade based makes that easy to see. Very unfortunate the WSYL staff changed this Their justification was that making it a worldwide tournament grades could be different NOT age Problem is don't think anyone outside US Is attending
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So happy n**1 is asterisked now. Especially since they are affiliated with tournament group that canceled the lax fest on LI last year!
.... and engineered the last minute rule changes that benefitted them and Legacy and hosed the other teams after they picked their teams!


One thing is certain all the rule changes came from the WSYL staffs my son plays for express and his coach said that all the NLF Was against this being an age based tournament. Being that no organization makes their teams age based and all are grade based makes that easy to see. Very unfortunate the WSYL staff changed this Their justification was that making it a worldwide tournament grades could be different NOT age Problem is don't think anyone outside US Is attending


Great point, sad for these true 2021 kids that got bamboozled!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know which team received an invitation in the North other than Legacy, 91 and Igloo? Did Eclipse, Prime Time, Express, Icon? I heard there may be as many as 6 teams invited.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am just looking at scores for WSYL qualifier did Igloo really beat 91 11-4 ? Must be a typo


No typo there, Crush kids couldn't do a thing!


Legacy, Express and Eclipse


Express not going to Denver. Despite what the pot-stirrers will say, Express played with their normal 2021 team up in Worcester. WSYL is a joke and not a level playing field. Not worth the headache. Other clubs can stroke themselves on how great they are watching their 8th grade 2020s (or in the case of [****] even older) run around legit 7th grade 2021s. So impressive.


Wow...way to make excuses for not being able to compete in an AGE-BASED TOURNAMENT where the playing field is level and you can't hide holdbacks. All teams were free to bring a team with players born AFTER May1, 2002. If your team was only 2021s then that's your director's fault.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So happy n**1 is asterisked now. Especially since they are affiliated with tournament group that canceled the lax fest on LI last year!
.... and engineered the last minute rule changes that benefitted them and Legacy and hosed the other teams after they picked their teams!


One thing is certain all the rule changes came from the WSYL staffs my son plays for express and his coach said that all the NLF Was against this being an age based tournament. Being that no organization makes their teams age based and all are grade based makes that easy to see. Very unfortunate the WSYL staff changed this Their justification was that making it a worldwide tournament grades could be different NOT age Problem is don't think anyone outside US Is attending


Great point, sad for these true 2021 kids that got bamboozled!


Of course NLF staff would say that! Those teams thrive on rostering holdbacks to maintain dominance and claim faux 'superiority'. Then they charge more dollars and maintain their brand image. They don't want any young programs challenging their dominance or old, entrenched way of thinking.

Change to age based is good for the public and the sport. This change is not good for orgs like NLF.

BTW, weak argument trying to mention international to support your thoughts. It's in year 2. It will take time to grow and the rules need to be established so no issues arise down the road.
What would be the best age cutoff? I like birth year. So 2021 would be all kids born in 2003. May 1, 2002 to April 30 2003 cut off would have half of two grades together which is never a good thing. Although birth year will have some grade mixing it won't be that many. In New [lacrosse] just December kids would have to play up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So happy n**1 is asterisked now. Especially since they are affiliated with tournament group that canceled the lax fest on LI last year!
.... and engineered the last minute rule changes that benefitted them and Legacy and hosed the other teams after they picked their teams!


One thing is certain all the rule changes came from the WSYL staffs my son plays for express and his coach said that all the NLF Was against this being an age based tournament. Being that no organization makes their teams age based and all are grade based makes that easy to see. Very unfortunate the WSYL staff changed this Their justification was that making it a worldwide tournament grades could be different NOT age Problem is don't think anyone outside US Is attending


Great point, sad for these true 2021 kids that got bamboozled!


Of course NLF staff would say that! Those teams thrive on rostering holdbacks to maintain dominance and claim faux 'superiority'. Then they charge more dollars and maintain their brand image. They don't want any young programs challenging their dominance or old, entrenched way of thinking.

Change to age based is good for the public and the sport. This change is not good for orgs like NLF.

BTW, weak argument trying to mention international to support your thoughts. It's in year 2. It will take time to grow and the rules need to be established so no issues arise down the road.
You missed the point. Most teams didn't know about the rules changed untial AFTER they selected their teams. Only 1 or 2 programs knew these rule changes were in the works and were able to plan for it. You can guess which programs these were.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know which team received an invitation in the North other than Legacy, 91 and Igloo? Did Eclipse, Prime Time, Express, Icon? I heard there may be as many as 6 teams invited.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am just looking at scores for WSYL qualifier did Igloo really beat 91 11-4 ? Must be a typo


No typo there, Crush kids couldn't do a thing!


Legacy, Express and Eclipse


Express not going to Denver. Despite what the pot-stirrers will say, Express played with their normal 2021 team up in Worcester. WSYL is a joke and not a level playing field. Not worth the headache. Other clubs can stroke themselves on how great they are watching their 8th grade 2020s (or in the case of [****] even older) run around legit 7th grade 2021s. So impressive.


Wow...way to make excuses for not being able to compete in an AGE-BASED TOURNAMENT where the playing field is level and you can't hide holdbacks. All teams were free to bring a team with players born AFTER May1, 2002. If your team was only 2021s then that's your director's fault.
You missed the point. Our program found out about the rule changes when everybody else did. The players already in our program that met the age cutoff were placed on the WS team...as evident by the different helmets. If your program chose to do a grade-based approach to the now age-based tournament that's your director's decision but don't go crying because a few programs adapted to the changes. The fact that certain teams were able to adapt successfully shows that they've had young, talented players in their program.
As a Canadian who has played in us tournaments for 5 years. The age situation in the us has been to say the least unclear. Grade based tournaments only lead to cheating. Age based makes it simple either you are an 03 or an 02. If its an 03 tourney then you play that. If you don't start school on time you surely don't get the advantage of playing in the same age class. that seems totally screwed up. As for the WSYL our team has played igloo for two years now and have been killed each time and they are a very good team but here is a little secret. 13 of our kids are going to play in the wsyl next year because that is the age requirement so look out igloo 2022 because I guess we should have been playing you instead.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What would be the best age cutoff? I like birth year. So 2021 would be all kids born in 2003. May 1, 2002 to April 30 2003 cut off would have half of two grades together which is never a good thing. Although birth year will have some grade mixing it won't be that many. In New [lacrosse] just December kids would have to play up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So happy n**1 is asterisked now. Especially since they are affiliated with tournament group that canceled the lax fest on LI last year!
.... and engineered the last minute rule changes that benefitted them and Legacy and hosed the other teams after they picked their teams!


One thing is certain all the rule changes came from the WSYL staffs my son plays for express and his coach said that all the NLF Was against this being an age based tournament. Being that no organization makes their teams age based and all are grade based makes that easy to see. Very unfortunate the WSYL staff changed this Their justification was that making it a worldwide tournament grades could be different NOT age Problem is don't think anyone outside US Is attending


Great point, sad for these true 2021 kids that got bamboozled!


Of course NLF staff would say that! Those teams thrive on rostering holdbacks to maintain dominance and claim faux 'superiority'. Then they charge more dollars and maintain their brand image. They don't want any young programs challenging their dominance or old, entrenched way of thinking.

Change to age based is good for the public and the sport. This change is not good for orgs like NLF.

BTW, weak argument trying to mention international to support your thoughts. It's in year 2. It will take time to grow and the rules need to be established so no issues arise down the road.


No one plays up in a grade based tournament. You play with your age. That is what makes it fair. No more hold backs.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You missed the point. Our program found out about the rule changes when everybody else did. The players already in our program that met the age cutoff were placed on the WS team...as evident by the different helmets. If your program chose to do a grade-based approach to the now age-based tournament that's your director's decision but don't go crying because a few programs adapted to the changes. The fact that certain teams were able to adapt successfully shows that they've had young, talented players in their program.


Completely agree. It's a step in the right direction and if youth lacrosse ever goes aged based, hopefully like hockey with birth year) kids will be finding themselves in different groupings. Teams, clubs and coaches chose to adapt to new rules, which were given with plenty of notice. Some chose to adapt, some chose to stay firm with their team. You can't blame anyone for their choices. The way a team or club reacted may have caused families to confirm how much they want to stay or why they may need to find a new team, but this has nothing to do with manipulated advantages. Rules do change- look how much change there has been in the last 7-8 yrs in lacrosse alone. The WSYL did change and I suspect they will tweak them some more as the tournament grows each year, but no club is in charge or given preferential treatment over another. This accusation is coming from parents feeling insecure or slighted. The rules are fair across the board.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a Canadian who has played in us tournaments for 5 years. The age situation in the us has been to say the least unclear. Grade based tournaments only lead to cheating. Age based makes it simple either you are an 03 or an 02. If its an 03 tourney then you play that. If you don't start school on time you surely don't get the advantage of playing in the same age class. that seems totally screwed up. As for the WSYL our team has played igloo for two years now and have been killed each time and they are a very good team but here is a little secret. 13 of our kids are going to play in the wsyl next year because that is the age requirement so look out igloo 2022 because I guess we should have been playing you instead.


Hate to say it but the foreigner sees this more clearly than anyone else. They are right to get the sport focused on age based as grade based leaves too much room for cheating. WS only shortcoming was that they should have delayed implementation for a year so everyone could understand the rules. Whatever the cutoff date is, as long as it is reasonable and everyone knows it, doesn't really matter.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a Canadian who has played in us tournaments for 5 years. The age situation in the us has been to say the least unclear. Grade based tournaments only lead to cheating. Age based makes it simple either you are an 03 or an 02. If its an 03 tourney then you play that. If you don't start school on time you surely don't get the advantage of playing in the same age class. that seems totally screwed up. As for the WSYL our team has played igloo for two years now and have been killed each time and they are a very good team but here is a little secret. 13 of our kids are going to play in the wsyl next year because that is the age requirement so look out igloo 2022 because I guess we should have been playing you instead.


That's funny because Canadians are the biggest abusers of the grade based system out there. Edge makes no attempt to hide the fact that their kids are all a year older due to their PG year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a Canadian who has played in us tournaments for 5 years. The age situation in the us has been to say the least unclear. Grade based tournaments only lead to cheating. Age based makes it simple either you are an 03 or an 02. If its an 03 tourney then you play that. If you don't start school on time you surely don't get the advantage of playing in the same age class. that seems totally screwed up. As for the WSYL our team has played igloo for two years now and have been killed each time and they are a very good team but here is a little secret. 13 of our kids are going to play in the wsyl next year because that is the age requirement so look out igloo 2022 because I guess we should have been playing you instead.


That's funny because Canadians are the biggest abusers of the grade based system out there. Edge makes no attempt to hide the fact that their kids are all a year older due to their PG year.


This would be another great example of why recruiting may be best classified as AGE based and not GRADE year.

In Canada, there are no hold backs, or kids repeating a grade, or starting school late because they were born after a specific date. Doesn't matter if you are born Jan 1st or Dec 30th of 'X' year, you all start school the same year.

Age based recruiting seems to be the easiest, fairest and most accurate way to evaluate talent and competition. Apples to Apples.

Age based recruiting would eliminate hold backs, repeats, etc and ultimately
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a Canadian who has played in us tournaments for 5 years. The age situation in the us has been to say the least unclear. Grade based tournaments only lead to cheating. Age based makes it simple either you are an 03 or an 02. If its an 03 tourney then you play that. If you don't start school on time you surely don't get the advantage of playing in the same age class. that seems totally screwed up. As for the WSYL our team has played igloo for two years now and have been killed each time and they are a very good team but here is a little secret. 13 of our kids are going to play in the wsyl next year because that is the age requirement so look out igloo 2022 because I guess we should have been playing you instead.


That's funny because Canadians are the biggest abusers of the grade based system out there. Edge makes no attempt to hide the fact that their kids are all a year older due to their PG year.


This would be another great example of why recruiting may be best classified as AGE based and not GRADE year.

In Canada, there are no hold backs, or kids repeating a grade, or starting school late because they were born after a specific date. Doesn't matter if you are born Jan 1st or Dec 30th of 'X' year, you all start school the same year.

Age based recruiting seems to be the easiest, fairest and most accurate way to evaluate talent and competition. Apples to Apples.

Age based recruiting would eliminate hold backs, repeats, etc and ultimately


you were correct up to the pt where you referred to age based recruiting. ALL college coaches are looking to fill a grade so at some pt they don't care about what age you are but what grad class you are. I say age based until high school
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a Canadian who has played in us tournaments for 5 years. The age situation in the us has been to say the least unclear. Grade based tournaments only lead to cheating. Age based makes it simple either you are an 03 or an 02. If its an 03 tourney then you play that. If you don't start school on time you surely don't get the advantage of playing in the same age class. that seems totally screwed up. As for the WSYL our team has played igloo for two years now and have been killed each time and they are a very good team but here is a little secret. 13 of our kids are going to play in the wsyl next year because that is the age requirement so look out igloo 2022 because I guess we should have been playing you instead.


That's funny because Canadians are the biggest abusers of the grade based system out there. Edge makes no attempt to hide the fact that their kids are all a year older due to their PG year.


This would be another great example of why recruiting may be best classified as AGE based and not GRADE year.

In Canada, there are no hold backs, or kids repeating a grade, or starting school late because they were born after a specific date. Doesn't matter if you are born Jan 1st or Dec 30th of 'X' year, you all start school the same year.

Age based recruiting seems to be the easiest, fairest and most accurate way to evaluate talent and competition. Apples to Apples.

Age based recruiting would eliminate hold backs, repeats, etc and ultimately


you were correct up to the pt where you referred to age based recruiting. ALL college coaches are looking to fill a grade so at some pt they don't care about what age you are but what grad class you are. I say age based until high school


Fair, i think once you reach HS, GRADE/CLASS matters, as ultimately that's what a coach needs to know, you are a 2017/2018, etc. And AGE based system in Middle school/youth will ensure make sure that kids are competing against similar aged kids on a more level playing field.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a Canadian who has played in us tournaments for 5 years. The age situation in the us has been to say the least unclear. Grade based tournaments only lead to cheating. Age based makes it simple either you are an 03 or an 02. If its an 03 tourney then you play that. If you don't start school on time you surely don't get the advantage of playing in the same age class. that seems totally screwed up. As for the WSYL our team has played igloo for two years now and have been killed each time and they are a very good team but here is a little secret. 13 of our kids are going to play in the wsyl next year because that is the age requirement so look out igloo 2022 because I guess we should have been playing you instead.


That's funny because Canadians are the biggest abusers of the grade based system out there. Edge makes no attempt to hide the fact that their kids are all a year older due to their PG year.


This would be another great example of why recruiting may be best classified as AGE based and not GRADE year.

In Canada, there are no hold backs, or kids repeating a grade, or starting school late because they were born after a specific date. Doesn't matter if you are born Jan 1st or Dec 30th of 'X' year, you all start school the same year.

Age based recruiting seems to be the easiest, fairest and most accurate way to evaluate talent and competition. Apples to Apples.

Age based recruiting would eliminate hold backs, repeats, etc and ultimately


you were correct up to the pt where you referred to age based recruiting. ALL college coaches are looking to fill a grade so at some pt they don't care about what age you are but what grad class you are. I say age based until high school


Fair, i think once you reach HS, GRADE/CLASS matters, as ultimately that's what a coach needs to know, you are a 2017/2018, etc. And AGE based system in Middle school/youth will ensure make sure that kids are competing against similar aged kids on a more level playing field.


No then the holdbacks still win. Age based is best barometer. Let the recruiters ask the coach what grade/class the player is based on his skill on the field.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a Canadian who has played in us tournaments for 5 years. The age situation in the us has been to say the least unclear. Grade based tournaments only lead to cheating. Age based makes it simple either you are an 03 or an 02. If its an 03 tourney then you play that. If you don't start school on time you surely don't get the advantage of playing in the same age class. that seems totally screwed up. As for the WSYL our team has played igloo for two years now and have been killed each time and they are a very good team but here is a little secret. 13 of our kids are going to play in the wsyl next year because that is the age requirement so look out igloo 2022 because I guess we should have been playing you instead.




That's funny because Canadians are the biggest abusers of the grade based system out there. Edge makes no attempt to hide the fact that their kids are all a year older due to their PG year.


This would be another great example of why recruiting may be best classified as AGE based and not GRADE year.

In Canada, there are no hold backs, or kids repeating a grade, or starting school late because they were born after a specific date. Doesn't matter if you are born Jan 1st or Dec 30th of 'X' year, you all start school the same year.

Age based recruiting seems to be the easiest, fairest and most accurate way to evaluate talent and competition. Apples to Apples.

Age based recruiting would eliminate hold backs, repeats, etc and ultimately


you were correct up to the pt where you referred to age based recruiting. ALL college coaches are looking to fill a grade so at some pt they don't care about what age you are but what grad class you are. I say age based until high school


Fair, i think once you reach HS, GRADE/CLASS matters, as ultimately that's what a coach needs to know, you are a 2017/2018, etc. And AGE based system in Middle school/youth will ensure make sure that kids are competing against similar aged kids on a more level playing field.


And remember, you can always play up... and like our parents did... praised those truely gifted who could meet or exceed that challenge. Talk about xceeding their age group... 2 8th grade attacks lighting up the cages... Go gettem boys.
College coaches could care less the age of kids they are recruiting by grade, if a kid or two are slightly older for their grade the college looking at these games or any tourney is totally recruiting by the year of graduation. Every tourney should play by their graduation year period.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches could care less the age of kids they are recruiting by grade, if a kid or two are slightly older for their grade the college looking at these games or any tourney is totally recruiting by the year of graduation. Every tourney should play by their graduation year period.


Disagree. With early recruiting the holdback may look better dominating younger players as a freshman but may not look great compared to their on age peers. Age based tournaments with graduation years denoted can give a better insight as to how the players truly stack up against other players their age. For some, not all, of the holdbacks they might not look so studly.
Looks like there are 7 teams advancing to Denver from the East qualifier. I wonder if it is that number because LIE did in fact decide not to go?
Which teams from the North plan to participate?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like there are 7 teams advancing to Denver from the East qualifier. I wonder if it is that number because LIE did in fact decide not to go?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches could care less the age of kids they are recruiting by grade, if a kid or two are slightly older for their grade the college looking at these games or any tourney is totally recruiting by the year of graduation. Every tourney should play by their graduation year period.


once you get to 9th grade fall. age based through 8th.
Today coaches ask many questions. They want to know how big the parents are. They are not stupid, if a kid has been held back twice that is factored in. Especially today where many coaches look for raw talent that can be developed. The often take a kid with less stick skills because they believe within a few years he will surpass that kid
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches could care less the age of kids they are recruiting by grade, if a kid or two are slightly older for their grade the college looking at these games or any tourney is totally recruiting by the year of graduation. Every tourney should play by their graduation year period.


Disagree. With early recruiting the holdback may look better dominating younger players as a freshman but may not look great compared to their on age peers. Age based tournaments with graduation years denoted can give a better insight as to how the players truly stack up against other players their age. For some, not all, of the holdbacks they might not look so studly.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches could care less the age of kids they are recruiting by grade, if a kid or two are slightly older for their grade the college looking at these games or any tourney is totally recruiting by the year of graduation. Every tourney should play by their graduation year period.


With such a small percentage of players being recruited, why should lacrosse cater tournaments to the liking of college coaches. Why should lacrosse be different than the other sports that group kids according to age? Some of you read like the pathetic, annoying parents that can easily give the lacrosse experience a black eye.
there are only 5 teams that have a chance now... Igloo, legacy, koopers, team carolina, and mad dog. chip in and fly mad dog east and save yourselves a trip to denver.
I would not rule out Greene Turtle. They have beaten Koopers in the past and had a few starters out with injuries in qualifier
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would not rule out Greene Turtle. They have beaten Koopers in the past and had a few starters out with injuries in qualifier


You know team 91 will be trying to load out there team for Denver.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches could care less the age of kids they are recruiting by grade, if a kid or two are slightly older for their grade the college looking at these games or any tourney is totally recruiting by the year of graduation. Every tourney should play by their graduation year period.


With such a small percentage of players being recruited, why should lacrosse cater tournaments to the liking of college coaches. Why should lacrosse be different than the other sports that group kids according to age? Some of you read like the pathetic, annoying parents that can easily give the lacrosse experience a black eye.


The initial poster has perfectly explained the stupidity of early recruiting and the even dumber assumption that they can speculate well by picking 8th graders who are either early growers or are just a year or two older than the kids they are competing with. The data gets a lot better when they are in spring of junior year or in the summer before senior year of high school. The college coaches who have bet their program on racing earlier are starting to spoil out and will continue to do worse. Look at UVA. Look at Hopkins objectively -- they made a Final Four last year but needed a late season miracle just to make the tournament. UNC hasn't done much. UPenn is the earliest Ivy and their program is terrible. If you consider these programs can pick and choose the recruits they want any time they want and then look at what they accomplished there is no debate.
What about TAZ?
Taz is Legacy. Or Legacy elite as they renamed them. A couple of Greyhounds from 2021 to fill the open spots
other than the 12 TAZ boys on the team, 1 of which played for igloo 2021 until this year the rest are 8th grade B and 2021 kids.

Who cares if it's 20 kids they all are eligible. Last year team Carolina sent their same 2021 team there. It's about the experience, and the last year there wasn't any qualifiers and these Boys were screwed. Keep the trophy we are going for the experience and to enjoy a nice event.
I am slowly trying to catch on. Is the club with taz on the asterisk list?
Is Legacy Lacrosse on the naughty list?
Thank you. Took me a while. Suprised but probably shouldn't be. Remember when they were brand new and well intentioned.
Which Long Island Express team came down to DC and played Hawks at Landon School this past Saturday?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Which Long Island Express team came down to DC and played Hawks at Landon School this past Saturday?


2021 Channy
How did 2021 express do I understand they had 2 Icon kids playing. Why would they do that, why would the express parents allow it and why would the Icon kids do that. Why would the Icon kids risk the chance of getting asked to leave that team when they have a chance to be coached by two of the greats.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did 2021 express do I understand they had 2 Icon kids playing. Why would they do that, why would the express parents allow it and why would the Icon kids do that. Why would the Icon kids risk the chance of getting asked to leave that team when they have a chance to be coached by two of the greats.


Your son is obviously on the Icon team, why don't you ask the parents? You know who they are.
Express beat Mad-Lax and Bethesda. Lost to the Annapolis Hawks.
What was the score of Express vs Hawks?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express beat Mad-Lax and Bethesda. Lost to the Annapolis Hawks.
Just as important as asking the parents from Icon kids what is the reasoning given to the express kids/parents as to why these few kids come to their tourneys and take time away from the kids who are paying the full load.
Why are some teams asterisk'ed out?
The most recent asterisked team is the light blue one that aquired the Dune Dawgs and just won the North Red Qualifier for Denver. Apparently they offended the BOTC gods and are on double secret probation with the Orange menance. We need a new club called "Asterisk Lacrosse" to capitalize on all the free marketing. LU can sell "Team ****" shorts for $50.
Its the Tazterisks.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The most recent asterisked team is the light blue one that aquired the Dune Dawgs and just won the North Red Qualifier for Denver. Apparently they offended the BOTC gods and are on double secret probation with the Orange menance. We need a new club called "Asterisk Lacrosse" to capitalize on all the free marketing. LU can sell "Team ****" shorts for $50.

Or Blatant can sell "Team ****" underwear for $50
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just as important as asking the parents from Icon kids what is the reasoning given to the express kids/parents as to why these few kids come to their tourneys and take time away from the kids who are paying the full load.


It's the chanechuk way. Slime, slime and slime some more.
Anyone know of a summer team that needs a defenseman? Have a nephew that is in 2nd year playing, plays on middle school team for good school program. Good athlete and looking to improve.
Seriously regarding the asterisks... I'm a parent new to lax and the whole travel team concept. I'd like to know the good, bad and everything in between Having the name censored makes it like an inside joke.
Originally Posted by meco24
Seriously regarding the asterisks... I'm a parent new to lax and the whole travel team concept. I'd like to know the good, bad and everything in between Having the name censored makes it like an inside joke.


It is no inside joke...no one here and out there are laughing!
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by meco24
Seriously regarding the asterisks... I'm a parent new to lax and the whole travel team concept. I'd like to know the good, bad and everything in between Having the name censored makes it like an inside joke.


It is no inside joke...no one here and out there are laughing!


c'mon!
Originally Posted by meco24
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by meco24
Seriously regarding the asterisks... I'm a parent new to lax and the whole travel team concept. I'd like to know the good, bad and everything in between Having the name censored makes it like an inside joke.


It is no inside joke...no one here and out there are laughing!


c'mon!


No, you c'mon! If you want to be used and/or ripped off that more than OK with me, but not if it is me or BOTC who are the catalysts.
I might sound like yogi Berra here.... If you asterisk out the clubs to avoid, then how am I supposed to know to avoid them?
You can contact me privately and I will tell you who they are, or you can pay no attention to me and keep on truckin' as you have been. I just don't want anyone bitchin' at BOTC....or me.
So Leading Edge came to MD

Went home after losing to Crabs and Hawks

Originally Posted by Larry Miller
You can contact me privately and I will tell you who they are, or you can pay no attention to me and keep on truckin' as you have been. I just don't want anyone bitchin' at BOTC....or me.


Fair point (not trying to bust chops just looking for clarity myself) but are there 2 clubs that get the *? and, do you allow the team name and just * the club name?
Where does Leading Edge stand amongst the L.I. teams? I realize they aren't from L.I. but I assumed they travel north (L.I.) rather than south (M.D.) for the most part.
not to good. They went 1-1-1
Leading Edge would fall behind Igloo, Icon, Express and probably 91 on LI. The first 3 are the top.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where does Leading Edge stand amongst the L.I. teams? I realize they aren't from L.I. but I assumed they travel north (L.I.) rather than south (M.D.) for the most part.

Leading Edge Lost to Ambush, beat Outlaws Select, and Tied Bergen last weekend, so They would be behind **, Express, who beat Ambush, Icon and Igloo's both teams at this point Since Ambush lost to the Igloo teams in the fall. Outlaws had a really bad weekend going 0-3 this past weekend. Not typical for them, must have been missing players. Ambush went 2-1, losing 6-0 against Express, which is a big difference from last year. Not quite an AA team, but right behind those teams.
Originally Posted by Larry Miller


No, you c'mon! If you want to be used and/or ripped off that more than OK with me, but not if it is me or BOTC who are the catalysts.


Larry, I think many, if not most, understand how difficult it is to run this site with all the chest beating and emotional people posting to it. And we appreciate your efforts to clean up the lacrosse world (at least I do).

That said, while some clubs are worse than others, they all engage in ripping off customers. I mean geez, just look at the Express thread. What they do to their b and c teams is really just wrong (unless there is a truly dedicated 'dad' coach). I'm sure every club is guilty of it is some way shape or form. Some have ridiculous 'show cases', other run ridiculous tournaments, others just plain load up lesser teams with anyone with a check book and a heartbeat.

Not accepting their advertising or allowing them to post about their services is one thing, but perhaps BOTC is going too far by suppressing their names. Without open discussion on BOTC the truth of the matter will take much longer to become widely known. BOTC has an opportunity to shine a spotlight on poor behavior and I applaud you and BOTC for doing so.

For those that don't read the site regularly, it becomes difficult to get to the bottom of it all. I am pretty well familiar with the game, community and culture yet I often have trouble weeding through the asterisks to get the meaning.

At the end of the day the decision is yours and we all must live with that. Please don't take this post as 'breaking your chops' but rather as a respectful but different view (with which you can do what you please).

I support what you are trying to do and hope this site grows as a high quality source of information about the game. BOTC has been very helpful to me as I try to navigate the culture/world of lax. Thank you for that.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller


No, you c'mon! If you want to be used and/or ripped off that more than OK with me, but not if it is me or BOTC who are the catalysts.


Larry, I think many, if not most, understand how difficult it is to run this site with all the chest beating and emotional people posting to it. And we appreciate your efforts to clean up the lacrosse world (at least I do).

That said, while some clubs are worse than others, they all engage in ripping off customers. I mean geez, just look at the Express thread. What they do to their b and c teams is really just wrong (unless there is a truly dedicated 'dad' coach). I'm sure every club is guilty of it is some way shape or form. Some have ridiculous 'show cases', other run ridiculous tournaments, others just plain load up lesser teams with anyone with a check book and a heartbeat.

Not accepting their advertising or allowing them to post about their services is one thing, but perhaps BOTC is going too far by suppressing their names. Without open discussion on BOTC the truth of the matter will take much longer to become widely known. BOTC has an opportunity to shine a spotlight on poor behavior and I applaud you and BOTC for doing so.

For those that don't read the site regularly, it becomes difficult to get to the bottom of it all. I am pretty well familiar with the game, community and culture yet I often have trouble weeding through the asterisks to get the meaning.

At the end of the day the decision is yours and we all must live with that. Please don't take this post as 'breaking your chops' but rather as a respectful but different view (with which you can do what you please).

I support what you are trying to do and hope this site grows as a high quality source of information about the game. BOTC has been very helpful to me as I try to navigate the culture/world of lax. Thank you for that.


Thank you for your posts. You raise good points. My counter points are that with close to a million page views a month and hundreds of new posts daily, to have their names here raises their identity in the search engines, AND still gives these scoundrels, money grabbers, and in too many cases abusive coaches and owners against parents and players.

Just look at the Yellow jackets thread. The woman is a [lacrosse] horror and bully. The My Lacrosse folks, specifically Ray,whats his last name, that advertising here bought my silence when they ripped off parents by shutting down a tournament with no refunds.

The whores involved in lacrosse on Long Island appears to outweigh the good guys.

By doing what I am doing and acting as I am acting has reduced BOTC advertising revenue by $50,000+ annually, so I am certainly putting my money where my mouth is. In the end I feel better not being a [lacrosse] and not taking money from whores.
Parents are actually going to blame this blog for clubs that rip off kids? Buyer beware. No one has a gun to these parents heads making them pay or making their kids play lax for these clubs. Come on people, start holding yourselves accountable.
My sentiments exactly.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller


No, you c'mon! If you want to be used and/or ripped off that more than OK with me, but not if it is me or BOTC who are the catalysts.


Larry, I think many, if not most, understand how difficult it is to run this site with all the chest beating and emotional people posting to it. And we appreciate your efforts to clean up the lacrosse world (at least I do).

That said, while some clubs are worse than others, they all engage in ripping off customers. I mean geez, just look at the Express thread. What they do to their b and c teams is really just wrong (unless there is a truly dedicated 'dad' coach). I'm sure every club is guilty of it is some way shape or form. Some have ridiculous 'show cases', other run ridiculous tournaments, others just plain load up lesser teams with anyone with a check book and a heartbeat.

Not accepting their advertising or allowing them to post about their services is one thing, but perhaps BOTC is going too far by suppressing their names. Without open discussion on BOTC the truth of the matter will take much longer to become widely known. BOTC has an opportunity to shine a spotlight on poor behavior and I applaud you and BOTC for doing so.

For those that don't read the site regularly, it becomes difficult to get to the bottom of it all. I am pretty well familiar with the game, community and culture yet I often have trouble weeding through the asterisks to get the meaning.

At the end of the day the decision is yours and we all must live with that. Please don't take this post as 'breaking your chops' but rather as a respectful but different view (with which you can do what you please).

I support what you are trying to do and hope this site grows as a high quality source of information about the game. BOTC has been very helpful to me as I try to navigate the culture/world of lax. Thank you for that.
my sentiments exactly
Every club organization is a money grab. Transparency here speaks volumes. What is going to happen when every club is one two or three asterick? Thars where this is going... No soup for you. It makes it impossible to follow a thread or point. What happens if Taz or tangerine win in Denver? We would not be able to mention the World Champions on this board. Seems crazy.
Any teams still in need of a solid M for this summer. Made a B+ team but dropped it- wasnt ready for a team that was playing above its ability
My son plays for one of the asterisk clubs. Are they in it for the money? Absolutely! Do they make money on EVERYTHING? Absolutely! Does it [lacrosse] me off? Yes. Has my son become a better lacrosse player? ABSOLUTELY! If you can afford it and your kid shows exceptional ability and a desire to work hard, improve and to play with kids of similar abilities whether that is AA,Aor B. Then I say do it. That being said you don't want to be an A level player watching AA players at tournaments. The parents need to be honest about their kid's abilities and have them play for an appropriate level team. If they do that then IMHO it's worth it.
try 365lax for a middie spot on a low level tier team for the 7th grade
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any teams still in need of a solid M for this summer. Made a B+ team but dropped it- wasnt ready for a team that was playing above its ability

Sounds like he was on the Outlaws.
Any 2021 outlaws team is B on a good day
Lets stay positive please- not looking to bad mouth or put down ANY team, and I won't confirm what team we (Mom and Dad) pulled him from. He wanted to hang in there to his credit.
Only point in mentioning B+ was to indicate he has been through competitive tryouts and made competitive teams. Problem is that many teams just outside the bubble of the "power bracket" spend alot of effort doing things to prove they belong- and kids who need to learn the game get lost in the process. "Win now" can leave kids behind.
Looking for a true teaching team that if it is B level, plays B level, and is more focused on the kids learning, having fun and winning....in that order.
If you have a spot for a very solid B-B+ player, he is a good respectful kid just looking to play and continue to learn.
Hello I would be interested in speaking to you about your son playing for our team. Can you please register and send me a PM I will respond right away.

Thank you.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any teams still in need of a solid M for this summer. Made a B+ team but dropped it- wasnt ready for a team that was playing above its ability


If you have not been turned off by the negativity of asking a simple question on this board and are still looking for a team your son can play on minus the drama. Send me a direct message and I will respond.



Thank you.
NY Super Series is coming up. Some great 2021 teams from all over coming to play. Should be a great weekend of lacrosse
Any results from this weekends tourneys ?
Heard Igloo "Black Ice " is playing a team from Texas tomorrow night anyone know time and location we will be down for Super Series thought we would stop in
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard Igloo "Black Ice " is playing a team from Texas tomorrow night anyone know time and location we will be down for Super Series thought we would stop in


Coming down? From upstate NY? Must be Primetime trying to scout them for WSYL should they meet in Denver.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard Igloo "Black Ice " is playing a team from Texas tomorrow night anyone know time and location we will be down for Super Series thought we would stop in


Cantiague Park 630
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard Igloo "Black Ice " is playing a team from Texas tomorrow night anyone know time and location we will be down for Super Series thought we would stop in


Cantiague Park 630

Be there or be square. We'll meet you at the OK corall
Eclipse from Ct.
At st Pauls
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard Igloo "Black Ice " is playing a team from Texas tomorrow night anyone know time and location we will be down for Super Series thought we would stop in


Cantiague Park 630


2 games at Cantiague. 1st game 6:00, 2nd game at 8:00
was just told St. Pauls 6pm 2021 and 2022 are hosting Texas teams
Hey anyone catch 91 Blaze today at NLF ? Just wondering what's up with the inconsistencies with such a stacked roster ??
That team is not a team. Stinks because there is some serious talent. Maybe the good parents will wise up to this and realize that the important thing is having your child on a team where favorites are not "personal relationships', but everyone favors the team chemistry. The talent will leave and what's left are kids with the ego parents that have already prevented their kids from being accepted on any other teams. Shame.

New Flash - College coaches don't want the liability of carrying kids with egotistical parents.
After today it looks like the two Long Island teams Expess and the other one have shown that what what they have been doing for the past few years have not worked and will not work for 2021. The truth is Express and the other team in part are not as good as their older teams because in 2021 icon and igloo have some of the best 2021 players that would otherwise go to Express and the other team. The older year teams do not have an icon or igloo to compete with so they have more talent to choose from and can play favorites in player selection and playing time. Too bad Igloo was not there but why would they be Invited to this? After all the two Long Island teams who do the invites did not do well against teams Igloo would beat by ten.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That team is not a team. Stinks because there is some serious talent. Maybe the good parents will wise up to this and realize that the important thing is having your child on a team where favorites are not "personal relationships', but everyone favors the team chemistry. The talent will leave and what's left are kids with the ego parents that have already prevented their kids from being accepted on any other teams. Shame.

New Flash - College coaches don't want the liability of carrying kids with egotistical parents.

"Personal relationship "?? sounds sort of sleezy..Are there a few sleezy parents on that team who gives all sorts of favors to the coaches ??


Originally Posted by Anonymous
That team is not a team. Stinks because there is some serious talent. Maybe the good parents will wise up to this and realize that the important thing is having your child on a team where favorites are not "personal relationships', but everyone favors the team chemistry. The talent will leave and what's left are kids with the ego parents that have already prevented their kids from being accepted on any other teams. Shame.

New Flash - College coaches don't want the liability of carrying kids with egotistical parents.
Agreed.

But it's more than not getting the pick of the litter. Many people have realized Express is not all that it used to be. The smart consumer is tired of the money grab, hate the lack of organization, see through the politics, the donor machine, the mother hens, the 30 man rosters and don't want to be on a team with a philosophy and game plan that focuses only on 2-3 chosen ones. It's not team play.

Why would any family in their right mind subject themselves or child to such an unpleasant experience? ...and don't say recruitment because participating in the Express program is not worth the agony, stress, the BS or an $8k scholarship. Toxic environment.







Originally Posted by Anonymous
After today it looks like the two Long Island teams Expess and the other one have shown that what what they have been doing for the past few years have not worked and will not work for 2021. The truth is Express and the other team in part are not as good as their older teams because in 2021 icon and igloo have some of the best 2021 players that would otherwise go to Express and the other team. The older year teams do not have an icon or igloo to compete with so they have more talent to choose from and can play favorites in player selection and playing time. Too bad Igloo was not there but why would they be Invited to this? After all the two Long Island teams who do the invites did not do well against teams Igloo would beat by ten.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That team is not a team. Stinks because there is some serious talent. Maybe the good parents will wise up to this and realize that the important thing is having your child on a team where favorites are not "personal relationships', but everyone favors the team chemistry. The talent will leave and what's left are kids with the ego parents that have already prevented their kids from being accepted on any other teams. Shame.

New Flash - College coaches don't want the liability of carrying kids with egotistical parents.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Personal relationship "?? sounds sort of sleezy..Are there a few sleezy parents on that team who gives all sorts of favors to the coaches ??

This comment is completely uncalled for and should be removed from this board.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That team is not a team. Stinks because there is some serious talent. Maybe the good parents will wise up to this and realize that the important thing is having your child on a team where favorites are not "personal relationships', but everyone favors the team chemistry. The talent will leave and what's left are kids with the ego parents that have already prevented their kids from being accepted on any other teams. Shame.

New Flash - College coaches don't want the liability of carrying kids with egotistical parents.
who is this eclipse team? Never heard of them at youth level.
they really help express and 91 to a few goals????/
Good Team. Strong players and good goalie play this weekend is what I heard.
Spoke to a parent they are from Fairfield County, Ct. Team mostly comprised from Darien & New Canan. Good youth programs up there. I think Blaze & Express smoke them the next time they play. It will not be such an unknown.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Spoke to a parent they are from Fairfield County, Ct. Team mostly comprised from Darien & New Canan. Good youth programs up there. I think Blaze & Express smoke them the next time they play. It will not be such an unknown.


Eclipse was hands down the best 2021 team at NLF. Not even close. Stacked with big, athletic, and seemingly well coached kids. I watched the Express game. Both teams played hard but Eclipse is flat out better. Express was sloppy in spots and made the Eclipse goalie look like an All American. The kid is a great goalie but they made him look even better by not finishing several 1v1 opportunities. Should have been a 2 goal game but Express got beat soundly.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Spoke to a parent they are from Fairfield County, Ct. Team mostly comprised from Darien & New Canan. Good youth programs up there. I think Blaze & Express smoke them the next time they play. It will not be such an unknown.



Blaze isn't smoking anybody. They got spanked last weekend. That team is in trouble!
Blaze is good but not great. They are on the same level as express. I'm sure if they played a bunch of times most games would be close and either team may win by a lot once in a while. If express does not have the guest player they may not even be an A team. Igloo's B team beat them a few weeks ago a lot to a little. If express was a true elite team a few missing players should not have made so much of a difference against igloo B who has never beat a top five Long Island team before beating express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Spoke to a parent they are from Fairfield County, Ct. Team mostly comprised from Darien & New Canan. Good youth programs up there. I think Blaze & Express smoke them the next time they play. It will not be such an unknown.


Eclipse was hands down the best 2021 team at NLF. Not even close. Stacked with big, athletic, and seemingly well coached kids. I watched the Express game. Both teams played hard but Eclipse is flat out better. Express was sloppy in spots and made the Eclipse goalie look like an All American. The kid is a great goalie but they made him look even better by not finishing several 1v1 opportunities. Should have been a 2 goal game but Express got beat soundly.
A few Parents on Blaze were overheard talking about the disappointment on the real true colors of this team. Along with guest players being brought in I gather doesn't sit easy with the all American parents ! Really is disappointing to hear parents being so gullible on great marketing strategies that were presented to them from the start , and now turning the attitude around in the negative when things don't go their way. I know that Express is the same way as well. Your sold a product that really doesn't exist , plain and simple. I guess the coaching staff fluctuates like the final results these past few weeks.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blaze is good but not great. They are on the same level as express. I'm sure if they played a bunch of times most games would be close and either team may win by a lot once in a while. If express does not have the guest player they may not even be an A team. Igloo's B team beat them a few weeks ago a lot to a little. If express was a true elite team a few missing players should not have made so much of a difference against igloo B who has never beat a top five Long Island team before beating express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Spoke to a parent they are from Fairfield County, Ct. Team mostly comprised from Darien & New Canan. Good youth programs up there. I think Blaze & Express smoke them the next time they play. It will not be such an unknown.


Eclipse was hands down the best 2021 team at NLF. Not even close. Stacked with big, athletic, and seemingly well coached kids. I watched the Express game. Both teams played hard but Eclipse is flat out better. Express was sloppy in spots and made the Eclipse goalie look like an All American. The kid is a great goalie but they made him look even better by not finishing several 1v1 opportunities. Should have been a 2 goal game but Express got beat soundly.
Yea I happened to overhear two Blaze parents talking. What kind of tool box makes this crap up Your boy must be a real treat

Known Fact ! Unhappy parents.. No tool box here , just mentioning loose lips sink ships... You know the ones who smile like everything's fine , team is great . But pissed off that none of the "coaches" are there?? , And honestly coaches who are spread thin and utilize other coaches to train , isn't really a coach ! especially the poster child one .. But oh yea this weekend its ran by the organization so they will get all the attention for this one! Have fun trying to figure out whos who , especially when its time for your son to be replaced by the 4-some...

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yea I happened to overhear two Blaze parents talking. What kind of tool box makes this crap up Your boy must be a real treat
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Known Fact ! Unhappy parents.. No tool box here , just mentioning loose lips sink ships... You know the ones who smile like everything's fine , team is great . But pissed off that none of the "coaches" are there?? , And honestly coaches who are spread thin and utilize other coaches to train , isn't really a coach ! especially the poster child one .. But oh yea this weekend its ran by the organization so they will get all the attention for this one! Have fun trying to figure out whos who , especially when its time for your son to be replaced by the 4-some...

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yea I happened to overhear two Blaze parents talking. What kind of tool box makes this crap up Your boy must be a real treat


It is really important for you to read your writing before pressing send. Our coach is always there and clearly YOU think the WSYL is way more important than it is referencing the 4 kids coming in. Come on man get yourself together and look around your team may be a little better now but look at the landscape ahead the amount of quality tournaments your B league organization can get in is limited. Before screaming back just breathe deeply and look at the tournament schedule of the 2020 team of anyone other than the NLF TEAMS That is the reality and can not be disputed, facts my dear friend facts only, you have a great team perhaps best in grade but.......,, what are the main reasons we all run this race ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Known Fact ! Unhappy parents.. No tool box here , just mentioning loose lips sink ships... You know the ones who smile like everything's fine , team is great . But pissed off that none of the "coaches" are there?? , And honestly coaches who are spread thin and utilize other coaches to train , isn't really a coach ! especially the poster child one .. But oh yea this weekend its ran by the organization so they will get all the attention for this one! Have fun trying to figure out whos who , especially when its time for your son to be replaced by the 4-some...

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yea I happened to overhear two Blaze parents talking. What kind of tool box makes this crap up Your boy must be a real treat


It is really important for you to read your writing before pressing send. Our coach is always there and clearly YOU think the WSYL is way more important than it is referencing the 4 kids coming in. Come on man get yourself together and look around your team may be a little better now but look at the landscape ahead the amount of quality tournaments your B league organization can get in is limited. Before screaming back just breathe deeply and look at the tournament schedule of the 2020 team of anyone other than the NLF TEAMS That is the reality and can not be disputed, facts my dear friend facts only, you have a great team perhaps best in grade but.......,, what are the main reasons we all run this race ?


I have to be honest. I have no idea what this person is trying to say? I'm sure I'm not the only one confused by this rambling post, its obvious they are very confused. Can anyone help interpret?
Maybe ECLIPSE, Igloo, and BLC should get together. That seems more like A Lacrosse then the "crooks", express, and Crabs. Why would people want to play you guys. You can beat the other 3 teams? Leading Edge....You can keep them.
Facts are fun. Parents with privileges keep dumping money into the "hype" the smart ones will laugh and leave. The other better programs will continue to teach the kids how to play the game as part of a TEAM.

Cheers! See you this summer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe ECLIPSE, Igloo, and BLC should get together. That seems more like A Lacrosse then the "crooks", express, and Crabs. Why would people want to play you guys. You can beat the other 3 teams? Leading Edge....You can keep them.
Facts are fun. Parents with privileges keep dumping money into the "hype" the smart ones will laugh and leave. The other better programs will continue to teach the kids how to play the game as part of a TEAM.

Cheers! See you this summer.


Right, there are no "privileged" parents on Eclipse, Igloo or BLC. LMFAO. Tally [lacrosse] and Cheerio!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blaze is good but not great. They are on the same level as express. I'm sure if they played a bunch of times most games would be close and either team may win by a lot once in a while. If express does not have the guest player they may not even be an A team. Igloo's B team beat them a few weeks ago a lot to a little. If express was a true elite team a few missing players should not have made so much of a difference against igloo B who has never beat a top five Long Island team before beating express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Spoke to a parent they are from Fairfield County, Ct. Team mostly comprised from Darien & New Canan. Good youth programs up there. I think Blaze & Express smoke them the next time they play. It will not be such an unknown.


Eclipse was hands down the best 2021 team at NLF. Not even close. Stacked with big, athletic, and seemingly well coached kids. I watched the Express game. Both teams played hard but Eclipse is flat out better. Express was sloppy in spots and made the Eclipse goalie look like an All American. The kid is a great goalie but they made him look even better by not finishing several 1v1 opportunities. Should have been a 2 goal game but Express got beat soundly.


IMO the biggest problem with Blaze vs Igloo is that Igloo has been a cohesive team for 7 years, where Blaze swaps out half the team every year. They have the pieces, but not the team, which this sport is more about the team than most others.
All I know is that the Igloo kids I saw in Florida at the NLF event could flat out play. Eclipse kids were good too. (The 5'9"+ middies who could rip it with either hand down the alley - I think at least one of whom was Express but I could be wrong - and the 5'11"+ one-man-clear long sticks seemed pretty spread out geographically.)

Re last weekend's NLF tournament, I was surprised the Hawks had a tough Saturday, but then that happens with kids. Looks like the Texas kids showed well - how did their scrimmage go with Igloo. Based on the scores, Crabs seem much improved over last year, but I assume they are a lot taller too.

In any event, it's a great year in terms of having a top team that has earned it through skill and staying together and lots of other teams that can compete at the AA level.
Let's be honest. Igloo Black Ice is the best 2021 team until they are beaten. Let's see what Blaze and Icon do against them this weekend.
Crickets
Clearly that is the case, no argument can be made, Igloo Black Ice is the best 2021 team. And no, my son does not play on 91 or Igloo.
Looks like Blaze and Icon didn't give Black ice too much trouble
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like Blaze and Icon didn't give Black ice too much trouble


ICON not impressive
Has icon ever beat a top team?
What happened to Blaze? Igloo was
able to shut down Little Man Tate's offense and Coach Tarzan's D?
Igloo went up 9-0 against Team 91Blaze in pool play before they scored. Final 10-3. Championship game 7-3 Igloo.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has icon ever beat a top team?

Too small
Black Ice is the top 2021 team until beaten, which won't happen anytime soon. Would love to see them play the new Eclipse team to see of they are for real
We played in philly this weekend and played eclipse. Great team but here is my thing. Every kid on that team was an 02. Also a few said they were born in 01. I don't get it. Anyhow, due to our team being entirely outplayed and I don't mind losing but the harsh reality for us was that we were playing in the wrong age group. Look out 2022 because we are coming and its no ones fault except for the confusion the grade base system has created. We are 03s and that obviously makes us a 2022 team though everyone one of kids in grade 7.
It was a great game to watch!

It was an awesome attempt by the men in the foot locker uniforms who were impersonating officials. Great job on the horrific calls, no calls and watching out for player safety. At best, how about just care about player safety. I'm sure your Boss would ok that, right? maybe?
91 has an extremely talented team and unfortunately they are lead by a barbarian who attempts to beat his opponents with his mythology of violence and dirty play. Hey, Mr. B does lead the MLL in penalty minutes I do believe?
I hope the 91 parents have a mass exodus and flee to other teams with a non barbaric approach to lacrosse. Your children deserve it and the reputation of 91 is so tarnished, why be a part of it.
I hope 91 uses the game footage they were recording to crack the code of the igloo offense. I am sure Papa Joe and Lil B with be watching the video until Denver in their Batman and Robin Underoos. Question, can Lil B where the Batman underoos now or does Papa Joe still get to wear them?
Till Denver when you guys bring back in your 4 crush superstars to save the day.
Team 91 Blaze is a bunch of animals. I watched them play against Icon which was a great game until the refs lost control of the game. overall all the refs were terrible.
Eclipse lost to 3D Dallas yesterday. The score was 7-4.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Black Ice is the top 2021 team until beaten, which won't happen anytime soon. Would love to see them play the new Eclipse team to see of they are for real
As a none Igloo, Blaze or Icon parent, Igloo is the best team, they are big and talented. Icon has beaten Eclipse and the Crabs. Igloo handled Icon and Blaze pretty good.Last year Icon lost to Igloo 4-3 but this year they just seemed much bigger. I know they don't have holdbacks just kids who are bigger right now. On the island it seems Blaze Express and Icon all could play with each other and be within a few goals of each other on any given day but Igloo is just flat out the best team. The other 3 are good solid teams but not at Igloo's level. Blaze has a few talented kids and few good size kids, Express really's solely on 2 top kiddie kids, Icon has a bunch of talented lacrosse kids just small right now, Igloo really does not have a weak spot.
Highly competitive out of state B teams which should have played in A as a few local teams , what's the deal with that? how does a program validate ?
Icon has not beaten the Crabs
Icon beat the crabs last summer in Baltimore
Icon beat the Crabs in the fall and went to championship to beat Eclipse
Denver should be very interesting in a couple of weeks ..... #may1st2002
icon is a clean physical team with a lot of talent. Hopefully they can continue to build and become more competetive.

great lacrosse this weekend.
I saw the game and I saw Blaze playing the Igloo team tough (Clean). I also saw the absolute disgrace of playing by some of the 88+3 players who were clearly trying to just smash kids around and the parents did not set a good example on both sides and were fueling the kids. They are all good kids and I know all the parents want nothing but the best for their precious children, but lets remember even if 88+3 wins a game, that doesn't make them a better team...not by a long shot. Igloo is the better team right now and has been so please stop trying to convince yourself otherwise. Could that change? yes....will it....we will find out after the tryouts next year. After watching this game I will say the Black Ice team is not a team that can be bullied around and their studs are not afraid of going to the cage.
(Clearly evident yesterday)

They will do what they always do and play harder and make you pay for it on the EMO.

Enjoy the game and enjoy your kids and let THEM compete. Both parents and coaches have an opportunity to set an example here. That example might be the behavior that gets families to consider other programs over their existing and you could be teammates next year so keep it adult like and let the 12 and 13 year olds play the sport like young men.

As a innocent bystander lol watched the game and was disappointed by both teams. The few Blaze kids trying to hit everyone and anything as well as a somewhat talented player on igloo DELETED curse an official out Loud and clear as well as many igloo players talking a ton of trash talk Thought they were better than that. Both squads left me shaking my head. Didn't know what was worse the behavior of the kids or the whiny screechy igloo coach . These teams are best on LI let's clean it up
Sounds like dirty play by the other team really riled up the Igloo players, parents and coach.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw the game and I saw Blaze playing the Igloo team tough (Clean). I also saw the absolute disgrace of playing by some of the 88+3 players who were clearly trying to just smash kids around and the parents did not set a good example on both sides and were fueling the kids. They are all good kids and I know all the parents want nothing but the best for their precious children, but lets remember even if 88+3 wins a game, that doesn't make them a better team...not by a long shot. Igloo is the better team right now and has been so please stop trying to convince yourself otherwise. Could that change? yes....will it....we will find out after the tryouts next year. After watching this game I will say the Black Ice team is not a team that can be bullied around and their studs are not afraid of going to the cage.
(Clearly evident yesterday)

They will do what they always do and play harder and make you pay for it on the EMO.

Enjoy the game and enjoy your kids and let THEM compete. Both parents and coaches have an opportunity to set an example here. That example might be the behavior that gets families to consider other programs over their existing and you could be teammates next year so keep it adult like and let the 12 and 13 year olds play the sport like young men.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like dirty play by the other team really riled up the Igloo players, parents and coach.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw the game and I saw Blaze playing the Igloo team tough (Clean). I also saw the absolute disgrace of playing by some of the 88+3 players who were clearly trying to just smash kids around and the parents did not set a good example on both sides and were fueling the kids. They are all good kids and I know all the parents want nothing but the best for their precious children, but lets remember even if 88+3 wins a game, that doesn't make them a better team...not by a long shot. Igloo is the better team right now and has been so please stop trying to convince yourself otherwise. Could that change? yes....will it....we will find out after the tryouts next year. After watching this game I will say the Black Ice team is not a team that can be bullied around and their studs are not afraid of going to the cage.
(Clearly evident yesterday)

They will do what they always do and play harder and make you pay for it on the EMO.

Enjoy the game and enjoy your kids and let THEM compete. Both parents and coaches have an opportunity to set an example here. That example might be the behavior that gets families to consider other programs over their existing and you could be teammates next year so keep it adult like and let the 12 and 13 year olds play the sport like young men.



I heard that a few kids left Blaze. Not sure if they are going to another team, or just quit, but that team is falling apart. Way too many egos there, and not a true team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Highly competitive out of state B teams which should have played in A as a few local teams , what's the deal with that? how does a program validate ?

They should really have A, B, C Brackets. A Bracket is too competitive for some of the teams that killed it in B, and many of the B's didn't belong there. There were 4 B brackets, that could have easily been made into a B & C bracket.
Garden City, Ironhorse, Snipers, possibly 88+3 , and few others with close score margins , should have gone into A bracket which by luck of the draw against certain teams who did play in A would have brought more competition into this bracket all together .



quote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Highly competitive out of state B teams which should have played in A as a few local teams , what's the deal with that? how does a program validate ?

They should really have A, B, C Brackets. A Bracket is too competitive for some of the teams that killed it in B, and many of the B's didn't belong there. There were 4 B brackets, that could have easily been made into a B & C bracket. [/quote]
Garden City easily could have played on the one side of the A bracket as the A brackets were very lopsided. The Prime Time side was not very strong. Agree with posts that states brackets could have been done better.
Garden City won the B bracket. It had 2 competitive games (Wogue and Ambush) and 3 non-competitive games. Neither the winner nor loser enjoys or gains anything from a lopsided game. I completely agree that A, B and C brackets were needed.
Where was that coveted Mesa 21 team? Great events this weekend and they were no where to be found
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where was that coveted Mesa 21 team? Great events this weekend and they were no where to be found
The Meltdown hahahahahahaha
Express seemed to have gotten schooled at the Big 4 this weekend. I guess the two man golden game isn't working. The money is good though!
Will they change the way they operate or will it be business as usual for the rest of this season and moving forward? Problem is that so many have left this team and will never return. they need to change their ways to attract talent again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express seemed to have gotten schooled at the Big 4 this weekend. I guess the two man golden game isn't working. The money is good though!
Too late...especially all the private school families that went over to Express this year to 'secure' their spots.

Staying on this team is now a matter of survival in catholic high school. Betrayal this summer with the entrance exam this fall will have your kid riding more pine! Leave now, it's doomsday.

So, here's a tip moving forward - Make sure you pass the ball to the two that count, cause you no longer matter, it's game over. Then, kiss MC's backside, and donate all you can to the school and Express!
No matter how much [lacrosse] is kissed , thinking your secure and safe because you play for express and attend ST A's your dead wrong.. that's a HAS BEEN.. , unless you are a super athlete playing varsity level next year good luck with cracking playtime with the new additions from the crush boys next year , hope everyone realizes if your son doesn't step up his game in 8th grade he will ride the bench no matter what club he plays for , including express. Maybe Express at this time should sell out to the bigger fish now to save face .
Why would 2020 Crush kids go to Express? Holdbacks? It will be interesting as this is the year teams will start to pick up 2020 kids holding back to the 2021 year. It is risky for kids of the correct age to change to any team this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
No matter how much [lacrosse] is kissed , thinking your secure and safe because you play for express and attend ST A's your dead wrong.. that's a HAS BEEN.. , unless you are a super athlete playing varsity level next year good luck with cracking playtime with the new additions from the crush boys next year , hope everyone realizes if your son doesn't step up his game in 8th grade he will ride the bench no matter what club he plays for , including express. Maybe Express at this time should sell out to the bigger fish now to save face .
Meaning crush kids are headed to St Anthony's for HS
I think that the US Lacrosse has come to tipping point. The holdbacks have changed the age categories and no one wants to enforce of correct them. For a boy to play in grade 7 and play against 03/02/01s in ridiculous. I think this will change when insurance gets involved because our game is one that is not that violent but I think this is what it will take to get peoples head out of their asses. Every club owner is now incentivised to register their teams a year younger to compete. We played this weekend and we played 5 games. 4 of those were against teams that have reclassed. The one team that had not was in the same position wondering what division they are now supposed to play in. I understand this puberty thing makes things changed but the difference between most grade 7 and grade 8 lit alone grade 9s is physical superiority. They are faster stronger and mostly smarter. Physical maturity makes this age group a challenge but when you reclassify from a team of boys to a team of men then Lacrosse suffers. People have to start speaking out and doing something about it
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Meaning crush kids are headed to St Anthony's for HS


YES, at least 3 Crush top players are apparently headed to St Anthony's in the fall.
Sound like a certain Hockey dad . LOL



Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that the US Lacrosse has come to tipping point. The holdbacks have changed the age categories and no one wants to enforce of correct them. For a boy to play in grade 7 and play against 03/02/01s in ridiculous. I think this will change when insurance gets involved because our game is one that is not that violent but I think this is what it will take to get peoples head out of their asses. Every club owner is now incentivised to register their teams a year younger to compete. We played this weekend and we played 5 games. 4 of those were against teams that have reclassed. The one team that had not was in the same position wondering what division they are now supposed to play in. I understand this puberty thing makes things changed but the difference between most grade 7 and grade 8 lit alone grade 9s is physical superiority. They are faster stronger and mostly smarter. Physical maturity makes this age group a challenge but when you reclassify from a team of boys to a team of men then Lacrosse suffers. People have to start speaking out and doing something about it
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where was that coveted Mesa 21 team? Great events this weekend and they were no where to be found


TD you are a tool
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that the US Lacrosse has come to tipping point. The holdbacks have changed the age categories and no one wants to enforce of correct them. For a boy to play in grade 7 and play against 03/02/01s in ridiculous. I think this will change when insurance gets involved because our game is one that is not that violent but I think this is what it will take to get peoples head out of their asses. Every club owner is now incentivised to register their teams a year younger to compete. We played this weekend and we played 5 games. 4 of those were against teams that have reclassed. The one team that had not was in the same position wondering what division they are now supposed to play in. I understand this puberty thing makes things changed but the difference between most grade 7 and grade 8 lit alone grade 9s is physical superiority. They are faster stronger and mostly smarter. Physical maturity makes this age group a challenge but when you reclassify from a team of boys to a team of men then Lacrosse suffers. People have to start speaking out and doing something about it


My son's 2021 team played in the big four tourney this past week. Everyone on that team is a legit 7th grader, no holdbacks so that means there are 12 and 13 year olds on the team. They played Dallas and Crabs which had numerous 14 year olds playing as confirmed by parents from those teams. It's absurd. They are just too big and fast and it's really a waste of time for them. Do you really feel good about beating up on a bunch of smaller kids? You know it's a problem when you hear the goalie yelling and his voice has dropped or when the kids get off the field and are just laughing that they played a bunch of kids with facial hair. The competitive games were against other teams of "real" 7th graders. It's honestly sickening what's going on.
Big 4 tourney from this past weekend listed as 2017 - 2020.
Where are the 2021 teams??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that the US Lacrosse has come to tipping point. The holdbacks have changed the age categories and no one wants to enforce of correct them. For a boy to play in grade 7 and play against 03/02/01s in ridiculous. I think this will change when insurance gets involved because our game is one that is not that violent but I think this is what it will take to get peoples head out of their asses. Every club owner is now incentivised to register their teams a year younger to compete. We played this weekend and we played 5 games. 4 of those were against teams that have reclassed. The one team that had not was in the same position wondering what division they are now supposed to play in. I understand this puberty thing makes things changed but the difference between most grade 7 and grade 8 lit alone grade 9s is physical superiority. They are faster stronger and mostly smarter. Physical maturity makes this age group a challenge but when you reclassify from a team of boys to a team of men then Lacrosse suffers. People have to start speaking out and doing something about it


My son's 2021 team played in the big four tourney this past week. Everyone on that team is a legit 7th grader, no holdbacks so that means there are 12 and 13 year olds on the team. They played Dallas and Crabs which had numerous 14 year olds playing as confirmed by parents from those teams. It's absurd. They are just too big and fast and it's really a waste of time for them. Do you really feel good about beating up on a bunch of smaller kids? You know it's a problem when you hear the goalie yelling and his voice has dropped or when the kids get off the field and are just laughing that they played a bunch of kids with facial hair. The competitive games were against other teams of "real" 7th graders. It's honestly sickening what's going on.


I agree. What does being in 7th grade mean if you have 14-15 year olds in the grade? It means nothing and thats why these should be age or U based. It used to be ok but the parents are gaming the system.
Somewhere, a player will get hurt badly unfortunately, and a huge lawsuit will ensue and that's when things will change.
My son is a 2021 decent player. Should I put him in 6th grade now at a private school? Will that help him succeed? Of course it's because of academics and immaturity not sports like 99% of the hold backs parents claim.
It's very hard to schedule tournaments right now if you are an on-age 2021 team and want to play quality competition that is also on-age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's very hard to schedule tournaments right now if you are an on-age 2021 team and want to play quality competition that is also on-age.

It gets worse in 8th grade. Our 2020 team has played teams that have players with goatees and moustaches. Not kidding.

What was the final score of the Lax Clash 2021 AA championship?
Great showing by Icon at Crabfest beating Crabs for 2nd time. The may not be that big but real good lax players.
Question to Crab parents? Do you have any pride in your children? The idea that most of 2021 team is 1 to 2 years older than the team's you play (icon) and your boys get out played must be concerning ? Not sure what you think your sons are learning or gaining by playing against kids that are younger and smaller and then losing to them ? It has to be a let down to know your embarrassing yourself and the game to have a bunch if LI kids half your size beat them. We on the other hand love it!! Thank for providing the confidence building experience.
Did anyone else watch World Series of Lacrosse on ESPN? Great to have 2 LI teams in final. But Legacy destroyed Igloo. Surprising?
A 2020 team beating a 2021 team is not surprising. Igloo more skilled Legacy bigger
Legacy just simply played by the rules. I am sure if the birth dates did not change the would not have sent a team there, but they did and congrats to them. Igloo is the best 2021 team very impressed to see the Mad Dog team beat them but don't know if they had a number of 2020 kids but the birthdates worked for this. Again the teams just went by the rules, looking back at the qualifying games and these game it seems the Icon team was the only team to give the Legacy team a game at the qualifiers. Igloo is a real good team I do believe they only have 2021 kids but congrats to the Legacy team as they were by far better than all the rest. The one thing was it seemsthere were some real poor teams base on the scores. Why no Crabs team was wondering were they to old?
why. when you bring your 2020 kids to play. feel sorry for those kids that rode the bench
Long Island Hypocrite. All the crying about MD holdbacks and you beat your chest over an 8th grade team pretending to be 7th graders. Yep it was within the rules but so are the MD Holdbacks. All within the rules stated. I respect Igloo they are an Excellent on age team but the rest of you L.I. People are a joke.
To the last poster I am from LI and not all of us are crying about holdbacks, I know it is not uncommon all over the country and now we are seeing it on LI that many kids born after August/Sept are being held back as that we only be a plus for them in school and yes if he or she is a athlete that will help. I for one LI'er only base everthing on the grade only the grade. So please don't lump many of the cry babies on LI who wine about this as all of LI. If for have seen many of the LI 2021 teams play and agree that Igloo is the best don't know/don't care but guess they have a few late year birthdates but the are fun to watch, I also really enjoyed watching the Icon team, as don't know/don't care if they have late birthdates but if they do they will be late bloomers on their size, but their lax skills and smarts is fun. Over the next few years as college recruiters come to these teams that will not care if they are late year birthdates or not unless we are talking 2-3 older and those kids have already fully developed. enjoy the games the scores really don't matter on to a few.
Last year I held my son back a year in 1st grade from school because his birthday is November 17 and the cut off is December 1st. The reason for it was not for sports at all , I didn't want him to fall behind each year. So should I play my son up in sports or his age group. Any Feedback please ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last year I held my son back a year in 1st grade from school because his birthday is November 17 and the cut off is December 1st. The reason for it was not for sports at all , I didn't want him to fall behind each year. So should I play my son up in sports or his age group. Any Feedback please ?


If it's lacrosse you can play him up, down, over or out. It doesn't matter, there aren't any rules. Real sports like football, hockey, swimming, tennis, baseball, and soccer have rules that govern players age. So, in most other sports besides Lacrosse your son must play where his age dictates, regardless of grade. Hope that helps.
Please tell me why kids red shirt.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A 2020 team beating a 2021 team is not surprising. Igloo more skilled Legacy bigger


Igloo was not more skilled. Igloo didn't even look like they belonged in the same field. They were shell shocked!
If I read correctly many igloo kids are born in 2002 which should make them 2020 grad years. Seems like they got beat at their own game
This whole thing is is hilarious. Igloo and its parents are crying that that other team was too old. They have been accused for years of playing with older kids. Now it's not fair.
Maryland starts piping in because they think its funny that LI is crying about playing older kids and what hypocrites we are. Well this was a tournament that had birth certificates and all of a sudden there are no Maryland teams to be found. Playing on age, they weren't even a factor. Doesn't that validate what LI has been saying for years?
The team wearing the crown gets pummeled because they played by the rules. Stupid rules that have nothing to do with any other tournament or sanctioning body or any other logical reason, but the rules. This team will not play together ever again. next week they will be two teams at a different tourney. Thats why this is stupid.
Will Black Ice be the same roster this weekend? Will Blaze? Then maybe they get to square off and play a 2021 championship this weekend. If they make it. The Greyhounds wont
Terrible game. Listen igloo didn't have one kid that could even dodge and draw a slide. And there is only a few months difference between TZ middies and AA middies. May/June to November. Bad lacrosse.
The ironic thing is that a few Taz kids actually were igloo kids cheating the system for years. igloo played 2021 with 2020's
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A 2020 team beating a 2021 team is not surprising. Igloo more skilled Legacy bigger


Igloo was not more skilled. Igloo didn't even look like they belonged in the same field. They were shell shocked!


Not as shell shocked as DELETED
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This whole thing is is hilarious. Igloo and its parents are crying that that other team was too old. They have been accused for years of playing with older kids. Now it's not fair.
Maryland starts piping in because they think its funny that LI is crying about playing older kids and what hypocrites we are. Well this was a tournament that had birth certificates and all of a sudden there are no Maryland teams to be found. Playing on age, they weren't even a factor. Doesn't that validate what LI has been saying for years?
The team wearing the crown gets pummeled because they played by the rules. Stupid rules that have nothing to do with any other tournament or sanctioning body or any other logical reason, but the rules. This team will not play together ever again. next week they will be two teams at a different tourney. Thats why this is stupid.
Will Black Ice be the same roster this weekend? Will Blaze? Then maybe they get to square off and play a 2021 championship this weekend. If they make it. The Greyhounds wont



Great points. It really shines a light on how much older the Maryland kids are as they couldn't even qualify for this tournament. Really shows how inferior Maryland is to Long Island if they played on age!
No MD teams to be found? Really Ray Charles. Maybe you should go back and look at the standings. Just because a team plays with on age 7 the grade kids and doesn't make it to the championship game doesn't validate Long Island's (wink wink) following the letter of the law. Multiple Maryland teams played with on age rosters that have had the same players since the start of spring. It's called Integrity something many Long Island parents/coaches lost over the weekend.

Was it really worth some mystical 7th....uhh...8th grade championship to lose your integrity? What about the on age actual players on the winning team. Did they enjoy their time from the sidelines watching 8th graders "school" a 7th grade team. Great memories right?

L.I. 8th graders did follow the written rule, just like Crabs holdbacks follow the written rules. Both are grossly inappropriate. But it's now ok because Long Island did it instead of MD. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No MD teams to be found? Really Ray Charles. Maybe you should go back and look at the standings. Just because a team plays with on age 7 the grade kids and doesn't make it to the championship game doesn't validate Long Island's (wink wink) following the letter of the law. Multiple Maryland teams played with on age rosters that have had the same players since the start of spring. It's called Integrity something many Long Island parents/coaches lost over the weekend.

Was it really worth some mystical 7th....uhh...8th grade championship to lose your integrity? What about the on age actual players on the winning team. Did they enjoy their time from the sidelines watching 8th graders "school" a 7th grade team. Great memories right?

L.I. 8th graders did follow the written rule, just like Crabs holdbacks follow the written rules. Both are grossly inappropriate. But it's now ok because Long Island did it instead of MD. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.


This is a completely illogical argument. The only reason MD teams went to the tournament with "on age" 7th graders is because all (or nearly all) of their 8th graders are too old. Their "on age" 7th graders are the same age as the younger half of 8th graders in NY. DOBs for all players are on the website for all to see. I selected one MD team at random and noted that more than 2/3rds of their roster would be 8th graders in NY. They are almost certainly all 7th graders in MD. This is why the "8th graders beating up on 7th graders" argument is lame and false. Due to differences in school cut off dates, and the prevalence in MD for holdbacks, MD kids are older than suburban NY kids grade v. grade.

What Leg did was take younger 8th graders, mixed with 7th graders, and won an age-based tournament. So what? This mix of kids is the exact same age, on average, as a MD 7th grade team.

Age is a fixed variable that can not be changed. And it has a very high correlation to quality of player (the older a kid gets, the better he plays). Grade, on the other hand, is an artificial, man-made variable that can be changed on a whim. Most importantly, it has ABSOLUTELY NO correlation to a kid's performance on the lacrosse field. I can take my rising 6th grader and enroll him in 7th grade next year. This will not make him any better at lacrosse.

Thus, when Crabs or other non-NY teams take older kids and put an artificial "7th grade" label on them, and then compete against younger NY kids who have the same artificial "7th grade" label, the former has an unfair systemic advantage over the later. But when NY "8th graders" play against non-NY "7th graders" WHO ARE THE SAME AGE, than no such advantage exists. In short, crying about 8th graders playing against 7th graders is only worthwhile if the 8th graders are actually older. But if they are the same age, than it does not matter what grade they are in.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No MD teams to be found? Really Ray Charles. Maybe you should go back and look at the standings. Just because a team plays with on age 7 the grade kids and doesn't make it to the championship game doesn't validate Long Island's (wink wink) following the letter of the law. Multiple Maryland teams played with on age rosters that have had the same players since the start of spring. It's called Integrity something many Long Island parents/coaches lost over the weekend.

Was it really worth some mystical 7th....uhh...8th grade championship to lose your integrity? What about the on age actual players on the winning team. Did they enjoy their time from the sidelines watching 8th graders "school" a 7th grade team. Great memories right?

L.I. 8th graders did follow the written rule, just like Crabs holdbacks follow the written rules. Both are grossly inappropriate. But it's now ok because Long Island did it instead of MD. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.


Grade is irrelevant genius. All that matters is age you dope!
Ok. So the NY DOB cutoff is law because you clowns say so. That's your argument?

Look you village idiot. The team that won was not using the rostered players for the team. Wasn't a true roster for spring/summer. I bet the true 21s enjoyed watching the 8th graders dominate a true 7th grade team. Very impressive.......because you say so.

Integrity. Look it up. The Crabs of Long Island prevail. Que the clown music.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok. So the NY DOB cutoff is law because you clowns say so. That's your argument?

Look you village idiot. The team that won was not using the rostered players for the team. Wasn't a true roster for spring/summer. I bet the true 21s enjoyed watching the 8th graders dominate a true 7th grade team. Very impressive.......because you say so.

Integrity. Look it up. The Crabs of Long Island prevail. Que the clown music.


True '21 team?? Lol best igloo middie is '02 bday.
It should be all about the age!! Grade means [lacrosse]. Lacrosse is the Wild West of Youth Sports & it is getting much worse!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok. So the NY DOB cutoff is law because you clowns say so. That's your argument?

Look you village idiot. The team that won was not using the rostered players for the team. Wasn't a true roster for spring/summer. I bet the true 21s enjoyed watching the 8th graders dominate a true 7th grade team. Very impressive.......because you say so.

Integrity. Look it up. The Crabs of Long Island prevail. Que the clown music.


Hey Moron. What don't you get. NY didn't set the age requirements on this tournament. As far as rostered players, the players are exactly what was sent it at registration. That is called a roster you simpleton.
The real question is, why wasn't there a legit Maryland team that was entered... Let me help you...Because your 2021 teams are loaded with players that ARE NOT eligible because they are too old.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok. So the NY DOB cutoff is law because you clowns say so. That's your argument?

Look you village idiot. The team that won was not using the rostered players for the team. Wasn't a true roster for spring/summer. I bet the true 21s enjoyed watching the 8th graders dominate a true 7th grade team. Very impressive.......because you say so.

Integrity. Look it up. The Crabs of Long Island prevail. Que the clown music.


Hey Moron. What don't you get. NY didn't set the age requirements on this tournament. As far as rostered players, the players are exactly what was sent it at registration. That is called a roster you simpleton.
The real question is, why wasn't there a legit Maryland team that was entered... Let me help you...Because your 2021 teams are loaded with players that ARE NOT eligible because they are too old.


i'm a different poster. Green Turtle, Koopers, Bethesda, Lax Factory aren't "legit" ? what does that mean? They advanced via regional qualifiers and had decent records in the tournament.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok. So the NY DOB cutoff is law because you clowns say so. That's your argument?

Look you village idiot. The team that won was not using the rostered players for the team. Wasn't a true roster for spring/summer. I bet the true 21s enjoyed watching the 8th graders dominate a true 7th grade team. Very impressive.......because you say so.

Integrity. Look it up. The Crabs of Long Island prevail. Que the clown music.


Hey Moron. What don't you get. NY didn't set the age requirements on this tournament. As far as rostered players, the players are exactly what was sent it at registration. That is called a roster you simpleton.
The real question is, why wasn't there a legit Maryland team that was entered... Let me help you...Because your 2021 teams are loaded with players that ARE NOT eligible because they are too old.


i'm a different poster. Green Turtle, Koopers, Bethesda, Lax Factory aren't "legit" ? what does that mean? They advanced via regional qualifiers and had decent records in the tournament.


By legit I think he means competitive. None of the teams you listed were in the semis.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok. So the NY DOB cutoff is law because you clowns say so. That's your argument?

Look you village idiot. The team that won was not using the rostered players for the team. Wasn't a true roster for spring/summer. I bet the true 21s enjoyed watching the 8th graders dominate a true 7th grade team. Very impressive.......because you say so.

Integrity. Look it up. The Crabs of Long Island prevail. Que the clown music.


Hey Moron. What don't you get. NY didn't set the age requirements on this tournament. As far as rostered players, the players are exactly what was sent it at registration. That is called a roster you simpleton.
The real question is, why wasn't there a legit Maryland team that was entered... Let me help you...Because your 2021 teams are loaded with players that ARE NOT eligible because they are too old.


i'm a different poster. Green Turtle, Koopers, Bethesda, Lax Factory aren't "legit" ? what does that mean? They advanced via regional qualifiers and had decent records in the tournament.


I am also a different poster from LI. Turtle, Koopers, Bethesda and Lax Factory are legit teams. But the simple fact is that some of the kids on these teams are a year older than their LI counterparts. The 5/1 cutoff only benefits the NY teams because it allows them to bring age appropriate 8th graders where as the majority of lax players in Md born after 5/1/02 are in 7th grade not 8th. Look at the rosters. In NY, a kid born in 11/02 will most likely be going into 9th grade this September. Any talk of Legacy playing down is baloney. Everyone knows that this was an aged based tourney. Grade is irrelevant. My sons team has played Greene Turtle and Bethesda and we have great respect for these teams and players. They are legit 7th grade teams.
"Hey Moron. What don't you get. NY didn't set the age requirements on this tournament. As far as rostered players, the players are exactly what was sent it at registration. That is called a roster you simpleton.
The real question is, why wasn't there a legit Maryland team that was entered... Let me help you...Because your 2021 teams are loaded with players that ARE NOT eligible because they are too old."

This what you are missing. Long Island's lax rules were not handed down with the 10 commandments. Outside of NY no one cares about your cutoff dates. What you don't get is when you apply the L.I. Rules to DOBs and "what grade" a kid should be in outside of NY you act as if the rest of the country should genuflect. We don't.
The truth is Maryland and other states are lucky Long Island has a late cutoff date. They can't beat Long Island even with older kids. Most would rather play older kids and have a closer game and lose than play the same age kids and win 10-0. Let them send 14 and 15 year olds to play Long Island 12 and 13 year olds. It is the only way they can compete and they know it. That is why they do it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Hey Moron. What don't you get. NY didn't set the age requirements on this tournament. As far as rostered players, the players are exactly what was sent it at registration. That is called a roster you simpleton.
The real question is, why wasn't there a legit Maryland team that was entered... Let me help you...Because your 2021 teams are loaded with players that ARE NOT eligible because they are too old."

This what you are missing. Long Island's lax rules were not handed down with the 10 commandments. Outside of NY no one cares about your cutoff dates. What you don't get is when you apply the L.I. Rules to DOBs and "what grade" a kid should be in outside of NY you act as if the rest of the country should genuflect. We don't.


Your simpleton argument makes no sense. So all kids from Maryland were too old for WSYL? Kids are born 14 years old in MD? I'm sure a team could have been put together for this event, maybe nobody thought it was worthwhile, after all there are plenty of high quality tournaments in Maryland, that's why all the LI players will spend the rest of the summer on the Jersey TPK, as soon as fly back from Colorado where they play each other!
A note to LI Clubs....please do not go out of state until more out of state teams attend LI tourneys on a more frequent and consistent basis.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Hey Moron. What don't you get. NY didn't set the age requirements on this tournament. As far as rostered players, the players are exactly what was sent it at registration. That is called a roster you simpleton.
The real question is, why wasn't there a legit Maryland team that was entered... Let me help you...Because your 2021 teams are loaded with players that ARE NOT eligible because they are too old."

This what you are missing. Long Island's lax rules were not handed down with the 10 commandments. Outside of NY no one cares about your cutoff dates. What you don't get is when you apply the L.I. Rules to DOBs and "what grade" a kid should be in outside of NY you act as if the rest of the country should genuflect. We don't.


Your simpleton argument makes no sense. So all kids from Maryland were too old for WSYL? Kids are born 14 years old in MD? I'm sure a team could have been put together for this event, maybe nobody thought it was worthwhile, after all there are plenty of high quality tournaments in Maryland, that's why all the LI players will spend the rest of the summer on the Jersey TPK, as soon as fly back from Colorado where they play each other!


The real truth is that the teams were stacked and made for the World series. Neither 91 or the real 2021 Greyhound team would have gotten as far if they didn't put players from Crush and Taz on the team. The 7th graders from both teams barely got any points and the older kids seemed to dominate. I watched the World Series and everyone DIDN'T play. No rules were broken, but would the outcome have been the same if they took the REAL teams that play for that year? Igloo used the same team that they have played with all year, they did not add members and create a new team they used the people they had. I'm not saying that Igloo has older kids on the team, all I'm saying is that a team was not created to play in the World Series. Congratulations to the winners, no matter what anyone says Zummo can truly spot talent and created a team that had some truly gifted players.
Like it or Not its play to win!
Your money $ spent means nothing over ratings , its a bizz and unfortunately Most of you parents think by paying tuition to play travel your son is entitled to get equal playtime or any if that. The better on a team will play more , the bottom 10 or 12 will be lucky they get to take a sip from a water bottle during a competitive situation. Parents are really clueless when it comes to this. You shall see this from the start , if your son regresses during the season its not the organizations fault for this matter , Not saying its right but this has and always will be the way in sports competition youth and HS / College



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Hey Moron. What don't you get. NY didn't set the age requirements on this tournament. As far as rostered players, the players are exactly what was sent it at registration. That is called a roster you simpleton.
The real question is, why wasn't there a legit Maryland team that was entered... Let me help you...Because your 2021 teams are loaded with players that ARE NOT eligible because they are too old."

This what you are missing. Long Island's lax rules were not handed down with the 10 commandments. Outside of NY no one cares about your cutoff dates. What you don't get is when you apply the L.I. Rules to DOBs and "what grade" a kid should be in outside of NY you act as if the rest of the country should genuflect. We don't.


Your simpleton argument makes no sense. So all kids from Maryland were too old for WSYL? Kids are born 14 years old in MD? I'm sure a team could have been put together for this event, maybe nobody thought it was worthwhile, after all there are plenty of high quality tournaments in Maryland, that's why all the LI players will spend the rest of the summer on the Jersey TPK, as soon as fly back from Colorado where they play each other!


The real truth is that the teams were stacked and made for the World series. Neither 91 or the real 2021 Greyhound team would have gotten as far if they didn't put players from Crush and Taz on the team. The 7th graders from both teams barely got any points and the older kids seemed to dominate. I watched the World Series and everyone DIDN'T play. No rules were broken, but would the outcome have been the same if they took the REAL teams that play for that year? Igloo used the same team that they have played with all year, they did not add members and create a new team they used the people they had. I'm not saying that Igloo has older kids on the team, all I'm saying is that a team was not created to play in the World Series. Congratulations to the winners, no matter what anyone says Zummo can truly spot talent and created a team that had some truly gifted players.
Congrats to Igloo for bringing their 2021 team and making it to the finals!
Is that why LI Express, Icon, etc were at the Crab Tourney this past weekend in MD? Because the tournaments are inferior. Well they went home empty handed so what say you now. I guess the inferior teams in the inferior tournament some how found a way around the juggernaut L.I. Teams.

What a ship fools.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Hey Moron. What don't you get. NY didn't set the age requirements on this tournament. As far as rostered players, the players are exactly what was sent it at registration. That is called a roster you simpleton.
The real question is, why wasn't there a legit Maryland team that was entered... Let me help you...Because your 2021 teams are loaded with players that ARE NOT eligible because they are too old."

This what you are missing. Long Island's lax rules were not handed down with the 10 commandments. Outside of NY no one cares about your cutoff dates. What you don't get is when you apply the L.I. Rules to DOBs and "what grade" a kid should be in outside of NY you act as if the rest of the country should genuflect. We don't.


Your simpleton argument makes no sense. So all kids from Maryland were too old for WSYL? Kids are born 14 years old in MD? I'm sure a team could have been put together for this event, maybe nobody thought it was worthwhile, after all there are plenty of high quality tournaments in Maryland, that's why all the LI players will spend the rest of the summer on the Jersey TPK, as soon as fly back from Colorado where they play each other!


Sorry but no gifted players on that team. Maybe the FOGO. The rest are older then most of the rest. No great dodging , passes where bad , shots were selfish and desperate. Better games this weekend at NXT

The real truth is that the teams were stacked and made for the World series. Neither 91 or the real 2021 Greyhound team would have gotten as far if they didn't put players from Crush and Taz on the team. The 7th graders from both teams barely got any points and the older kids seemed to dominate. I watched the World Series and everyone DIDN'T play. No rules were broken, but would the outcome have been the same if they took the REAL teams that play for that year? Igloo used the same team that they have played with all year, they did not add members and create a new team they used the people they had. I'm not saying that Igloo has older kids on the team, all I'm saying is that a team was not created to play in the World Series. Congratulations to the winners, no matter what anyone says Zummo can truly spot talent and created a team that had some truly gifted players.
There were not very many inferior teams at the Crab tourney, Icon beat Crabs, Looneys MD and lost in OT to a Philly team with kids from Sons and Messa, very good games and thought Icon played real good, not sure were you are coming from that they did not show very well.
Bethesda is the real deal. Big and very talented. They beat Crabs at the NLF and made the quarters at WSYL only to lose to Mad Dog in OT. Mad Dog beat Igloo the day before.
Let's not get silly Bethesda is a sold team.
All you did with this post is prove the Long Island parent's post because age was not checked at the Crabs tournament and Long Island still did well and Maryland teams did not. When ages are check and Maryland wins then you can make a post like this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is that why LI Express, Icon, etc were at the Crab Tourney this past weekend in MD? Because the tournaments are inferior. Well they went home empty handed so what say you now. I guess the inferior teams in the inferior tournament some how found a way around the juggernaut L.I. Teams.

What a ship fools.
The point referenced was inferior tournaments and teams in Maryland. See earlier post. My counter point is if the Maryland tournaments are so below most of you L.I. parents/teams then A. Don't come B your teams should win every tournament. Neither happens.

Ignorant statements with the lack of factual information makes certain L.I. Parents look likes fools.
Yes some of us L.I. parents look LIKE fools but some throw a hook in the water to see who bites. Not all Maryland parents are tool bags just like all L.I. Parents are not jack asses. Why entertain the people looking to stir the pot. Maryland has their rules regarding age as does New [lacrosse]. Until you have a governing body to enforce the rules and age requirements of all these teams nothing will change. But in the meantime "Fish on".
Did you see the word MOST? Which infers not all.
Igloo what happened.
Mesa happened
How does Mesa beat Igloo then get smoked by 88+3
igloo dead we played too much lacrosse this sumemer
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How does Mesa beat Igloo then get smoked by 88+3
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did you see the word MOST? Which infers not all.

Thanks for clearing that up tool bag.
The igloo defense is over worked and under paid. They have been the saving grace to aa’s mediocre offense this season.
Their passing and value of the ball is horrible at best! Kid’s on the offense hanging their heads, middies not hustling back to defense and the attackmen proving at best to give an average ride.

Mesa had their number today and aa should be lucky it ended the way it did as 88+3 would of given it to them hard and fast and aa would of left the field in a fit of rage sucking his thumb making up some excuse how it happened.

As Rome fell, this may be the end of the once igloo dynasty. I wonder what will be up aa’s sleeve for tryouts and who he removes and sends down to his “b” squad.

Any one of those kids on BI can play for 91, express, legacy and so on and start once aa hits the panic button and starts ejecting those that do not have their nose so far up his royal arse.

Aa, it was a good ride and now move over to the slow lane to get passed!

You should kiss your defense every day for keeping you in these games but they are spent now.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How does Mesa beat Igloo then get smoked by 88+3



Great job by the Outlaws, 91 and Igloo for making the semi finals at NXT, which had 30 teams entered in 2021 A. Igloo lost one game, it happens. Mesa is a legit team and a feeder for Haverford. Rather then talking smack about LI teams when many of the players are friends, realize that the best youth lacrosse in the nation is still here on good old LI. Proven again.
Did anyone see the way the brackets were set up at NXT. The Outlaws were in a bracket with basically B teams, Freedom as well, they had Blaze and Icon in the same bracket which had 6 teams and they had them play each other. Mad Dog did not have to play either of them. They make the playoffs after a tie with Juicy Cherries who Icon beat beat pretty easily. Looney's and Sons in the same bracket as Outlaws and both of those were 2-3 at Crabs while Freedom also 2-3 at Crabs wins their bracket. There were some poor teams in the A division at NXT. I think the Blaze could have beaten Outlaws by more than the 11-0 score not a great showing for a semi match.
Long Island teams did very well. fl$ did well too in pool play. Icon Also did well. Orange never lays off. They fight to the last second no matter what the score and no matter who they are playing. Many don't like that but I for one respect that. The Orange siminfinal game was very chippy. Sticks swinging. I doubt they layed off. It seems the PA teams are coming on strong but those teams are older. There is a lot of talent on Long Island and the quarter and semi finals proved it. In the tournament over all The scores were all over the place. Team A beats team B but then team B beats team C who beat A. That's the way it is when the kids get older. Also there were no B teams plaing in the A bracket. It eases great tournament and vet well run.
There are some very talented teams out there. We are now entering the year when the craziness begins. As you we enter tryout time think for a minute. Medals tshirts they mean nothing now. So instead of thinking who beat who and who won what tournament start thinking about the program itself. It doesn't matter if you are ON a top team if you kid doesn't actually PLAY. If your kid is on a Blaze, igloo, express, icon it doesn't matter if they don't see the field. You're child is not getting recruited from the bench. There are many great players out there that don't see the field that might get a better look at the recruiting tournaments on an outlaws because they'll actually play more. Trust me if the team isn't playing your kid now then won't in the fall and they definitely won't be pushing for your kid to get a look. They're still successful getting their top 10 looked at. So as parents put the chest pounding aside and start putting the next year in perspective.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are some very talented teams out there. We are now entering the year when the craziness begins. As you we enter tryout time think for a minute. Medals tshirts they mean nothing now. So instead of thinking who beat who and who won what tournament start thinking about the program itself. It doesn't matter if you are ON a top team if you kid doesn't actually PLAY. If your kid is on a Blaze, igloo, express, icon it doesn't matter if they don't see the field. You're child is not getting recruited from the bench. There are many great players out there that don't see the field that might get a better look at the recruiting tournaments on an outlaws because they'll actually play more. Trust me if the team isn't playing your kid now then won't in the fall and they definitely won't be pushing for your kid to get a look. They're still successful getting their top 10 looked at. So as parents put the chest pounding aside and start putting the next year in perspective.


As a parent of a 2020 player, I agree with this post 100%. If you want your kid to get "looks" they need to be on the field and it really doesn't matter what team you are on
Here is what happened to Igloo. A few years back when they were destroying everyone parents who had older kids would write on this board that it does not matter what a kid does in grades 4-8. Starting around 9 th grade is when you see what talent a kid has compared to the rest. Igloo kids were older and they were much bigger than most teams. So they would crush everyone. When young kids and teams are better becuase they are older they tend to play to their strength which is size and speed. While that is going on there are hundreds of kids that are not dominating with size and from 4-8 grades they have to play and learn the fundamentals to get better. They also have to fight for every inch on the field. By grade 9 those big kids that were great becuase they were bigger who did not have to fight for every inch on the field in the younger years and older don't look so big and fast anymore because other kids are catching up in size and speed. Problem is those kids who had to learn the fundamentals and not being as big had to fight hard to get playing time are now better players because of what they had to do to get better in the younger years. Now the bigger older kids who can no longer dominate with just size and speed have a difficult time adjusting because they never had to fight hard on the field and have nothing to fall back on when size and strength does not work. They just shoot instead of moving the ball. Only difference is that the super fast shots by middies that scored every time in 7th grade does not work in 8th grade. Igloo will bounce back. However not with this group. Those that can change and play a team game and learn to play against kids who are now the same size will succeed. Unfortunately most will not be able to do that. Igloo is still number one but I'm sure changes will be made.
Igloo 2022 lost to a town team this past weekend. Looks like the lids are catching up there too.
If no one speaks of the igloo loss did if ever happen
What is the deal with the Jesters this year?
No deal..Decent team. Went 4=1 at NXT losing in the "B" bracket championship game to a Canadian team. Why do you ask?
The NXT tourney was well run with just a few glitches in the 2021 A bracket. Those minor issues were ironed out without too much of an impact to those teams.

Not sure why one would comment on the skill level of teams in the "A" bracket. Does that person know the skill level of all 30 teams? I know I don't and what I know is that on any given Sunday if a team doesn't prepare or has a bad day, the better team can lose.
It doesn't mean they aren't an "A". Just means their opponent played better with less mistakes that day. Not every team can play consistently like the 91 Blaze and Igloo Black Ice. Let's give those teams the credit that is due.

At the same time give those other teams the credit for going 3-0 in their respective bracket and for making it to the championship bracket. The LI Outlaws 2021 select team played their hearts out and competed against 5 very good teams to go 4-1. I also want to note that 3 of the 4 teams that made the semis were from LI and the champions of the 2021 A bracket was from LI. Congrates to 91 Blaze for playing 6 consistent games that weekend. That's tought to do.

Congrates to the LI Outlaws and Igloo BLack Ice for making it to the final 4 of 30 competitive teams.
It was a great tourney and a great weekend of lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
No deal..Decent team. Went 4=1 at NXT losing in the "B" bracket championship game to a Canadian team. Why do you ask?


Someone from Blaze said they o Lu made it that far because they borrowed some Ambush kids. They Blaze coach was surprised to see them there.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the deal with the Jesters this year?


What's the question ?
Why would the Blaze coach have a problem with that? He's been known to take some Ambush kids too!
Heard they are the same program now. So if Jesters did use kids from Ambush they probably got the go ahead from someone. That would explain the results because Ambush does have some top players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why would the Blaze coach have a problem with that? He's been known to take some Ambush kids too!
What is better riding the bench on a team like Black ice and Blaze in the "important games" that have great coaching and double the practices or getting playing time in the "important" games with less practices?
There could be no standard answer. Everyone is different/have different needs and react different to different situations. Don't think just because your kid goes to a lesser team that your kid will play more. I am very familiar with the top 7 2021 teams and ALL of them have favorites and most of the playing time is just for the top 9 kids. Getting playing time and cracking the starting line up for a top 7 team will be almost impossible. If your kid sat on the bench with Black Ice, Express, Icon etc. your kid will sit on the bench with the next 4 - 7 teams on the list. Even if your kid starts for a top 3 or 4 team don't expect to start on one of the next best 4 teams. Those teams have starters for year and it is all politics. It is very risky changing teams at this age. The newer kids will also be placed at the bottom when it comes to picking kids to play in front of coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is better riding the bench on a team like Black ice and Blaze in the "important games" that have great coaching and double the practices or getting playing time in the "important" games with less practices?
For those who knew the brackets the Outlaws did not play very good teams at NXT, Looneys, Sons are average teams Cape Fear is a very poor team and Freedom is average the only good team they played was Blaze. Sons, Looneys and Freedom all had losing records the week before at Crabs.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There could be no standard answer. Everyone is different/have different needs and react different to different situations. Don't think just because your kid goes to a lesser team that your kid will play more. I am very familiar with the top 7 2021 teams and ALL of them have favorites and most of the playing time is just for the top 9 kids. Getting playing time and cracking the starting line up for a top 7 team will be almost impossible. If your kid sat on the bench with Black Ice, Express, Icon etc. your kid will sit on the bench with the next 4 - 7 teams on the list. Even if your kid starts for a top 3 or 4 team don't expect to start on one of the next best 4 teams. Those teams have starters for year and it is all politics. It is very risky changing teams at this age. The newer kids will also be placed at the bottom when it comes to picking kids to play in front of coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is better riding the bench on a team like Black ice and Blaze in the "important games" that have great coaching and double the practices or getting playing time in the "important" games with less practices?


Good points and really can work both ways-

Kids/parents want to jump ship and find if grass is greener, like you said many times it's not. If your coach/program is dedicated, fair, and challenges you, stay with them. Practice hard, improve, you will play, puberty does a lot at this age and new starters emerge. They are loyal to you and you should do the same.

Coaches/directors want to upgrade players and try and form their super team. Sometimes they get a random better kid, but usually not, giving up one of their former players for nothing. By this age the better teams will remain the better teams, and the middle teams remain the middle, lower remains lower. If your players are dedicated, coachable, and working to get better, keep them. If you like the parents, keep them....They are loyal to you and you should do the same.

Having been around this for what seems many, many years.... to the coaches and players.....be loyal, work hard, get better, have fun. It goes by fast
This is true. Parents move kids from a top four team to teams 4-8 and those kids that sat
on the bench for the top four teams are still sitting on the bench for teams 4-8. You are much better off sitting on the bench for a top four team. The simple reason is those top team starters will be recruited before the next four best teams starters. Once those top teams starters are recruited the bench players will step in and be seen. If you think that the bench players on any top four team could help teams 4-8 get better consider this. Igloo Avalanche's first year the team was made up of Black Ice kids that got cut and many former kids that played on the next three best teams. Avelanche was good but not great. This year they added a bunch of kids who did not make Black Ice and Blaze. One would think there would be a significantl improvement in Avalanche. However there was no noticeable improvement. As of now Avalanche is made up of half former Black Ice kids the rest of the kids coming from other top programs and they are still not a top team. There are arguments that suggest it is better to sit on the bench for a top team rather move down to another team. It is very dangerous to move at this stage. If it does not work out your kid may be on a B team the following year.
Great conversation!! I have also heard the argument that even if your kid isn't a starter on a top 4 team he is practicing almost daily with top level kids and receiving some high quality coaching as well.

Just a thought.
Anyone care to rate top 10-12 L.I. Teams at this age ? I know it is only opinion, just trying to find a team for my son and trying to see where he might fit.
Seems like you are saying that it is best to sit and wait your turn. Wait till the better kids are recruited then they will sit so you can have a turn in garbage time. You are saying the kids that got cut from AA teams didn't improve a second team,that makes sense. They got cut and had no choice. I think the discussion is about kids that made the team and ride the pine. These are the kids that can move to a club knocking on the door of the elite and get equal time. Some of these clubs go to the same recruiting tournies and offer an opportunity to play In front of the same coaches, only you would be seen before the coaches go to another field.
There is a lot to consider at this age. Is he happy? Is he getting opportunities. Is he playing? If he is learning to be a role player to the set starters can he be a difference maker on another team. Is he allowed to and encouraged to create or is he handcuffed bc the O runs through the big 4 to win.
cant escape the fact that it is no fun to travel to tournaments and watch your son/daughter not get any light or barely move off sidelines....watching other kids have fun and contribute stinks...and the hotel afterwards is a bunch more fun when you and your kids can say they enjoyed the game(s)
seems like $$ would be better spent with one-on-one trainer...
yes, true that players get better against better talent, but they are still kids who want to play ...
Blaze, Igloo,Icon, Express that's the top 4
Yes these are the top four teams. we can argue all day who the next best four teams are. But everyone will agree that these are top four. Having said that I agree with post above that someone who sits on the bench for these four teams will probably sit on the bench for the next four best teams. The politics are the same if you play for team one or 8. The starters on the teams 5-8 are very good and most likely better than kids that don't see the field on the top four. I know last year bench players from the top four tried out for the teams many consider ranked 5-8 and did not make those teams and returned to sit on the bench for the top four team this year. It could be politics or maybe a bad tryout or they were not good enough but it is risky to move down to the next level of teams thinking it will result in more playing time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blaze, Igloo,Icon, Express that's the top 4
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blaze, Igloo,Icon, Express that's the top 4


Ok anybody have a 5-12 ? Or in what order would you place teams to tryout for ?
Where would True Blue, Recon, Sharks, Jesters, Legacy place ?
Only trouble makers will rank the next six team so I doubt anyone will do it. The teams you mention all play in the B bracket at tournamts except the last program you mention. With these level teams you chose by coaching, training and location. It does not matter who is best or worst in this group. The easiest team to make is the Sharks of the ones you talk about if that helps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blaze, Igloo,Icon, Express that's the top 4


Ok anybody have a 5-12 ? Or in what order would you place teams to tryout for ?
Where would True Blue, Recon, Sharks, Jesters, Legacy place ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is true. Parents move kids from a top four team to teams 4-8 and those kids that sat
on the bench for the top four teams are still sitting on the bench for teams 4-8. You are much better off sitting on the bench for a top four team. The simple reason is those top team starters will be recruited before the next four best teams starters. Once those top teams starters are recruited the bench players will step in and be seen. If you think that the bench players on any top four team could help teams 4-8 get better consider this. Igloo Avalanche's first year the team was made up of Black Ice kids that got cut and many former kids that played on the next three best teams. Avelanche was good but not great. This year they added a bunch of kids who did not make Black Ice and Blaze. One would think there would be a significantl improvement in Avalanche. However there was no noticeable improvement. As of now Avalanche is made up of half former Black Ice kids the rest of the kids coming from other top programs and they are still not a top team. There are arguments that suggest it is better to sit on the bench for a top team rather move down to another team. It is very dangerous to move at this stage. If it does not work out your kid may be on a B team the following year.


Some of the Ambush kids were on the Blaze at one point and have become part of the core of the team, so I wouldn't agree with that. Same with a few Avalanche kids who were once on Black Ice or other A teams that they sat. It seems that the second tier teams do best by picking up the better kids from the AA. My son can't crack the AA teams as a starter, so he is staying where he is, even if he made a AA team. I don't think that I would want him to be subject to the BS and take a chance of losing a good situation with a good team, just to play backup on a AA team that may want him at this point now that he is catching up physically. I really should hold him back, it seems like the thing to do, and his birthday would allow him to play in Denver next year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blaze, Igloo,Icon, Express that's the top 4


Ok anybody have a 5-12 ? Or in what order would you place teams to tryout for ?
Where would True Blue, Recon, Sharks, Jesters, Legacy place ?

I would say based on Head to Head Tourney
Ambush
Outlaws Silver
Legacy
Jesters
True Blue
Recon
Outlaws Select, Avalanche, and Ambush are the 5-7 in that order.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws Select, Avalanche, and Ambush are the 5-7 in that order.

Agreed followed by the 2nd Outlaw team, Titans, Jesters
[quote=Anonymous]Outlaws Select, Avalanche, and Ambush are the 5-7 in that order.

WAY OFF!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
cant escape the fact that it is no fun to travel to tournaments and watch your son/daughter not get any light or barely move off sidelines....watching other kids have fun and contribute stinks...and the hotel afterwards is a bunch more fun when you and your kids can say they enjoyed the game(s)
seems like $$ would be better spent with one-on-one trainer...
yes, true that players get better against better talent, but they are still kids who want to play ...


As a 2021 coach, this is poignant. No matter how much you know that a kid on the bottom of your roster will improve through the practice time with talented kids and end up a better varsity player, a kid has to feel like he has a role on the team and at least gets some minutes in most games. Small "elite" AA brackets are great for 100% high-end competitive games, but larger brackets with a range of competition allows the bottom of your roster to have fun and contribute. And at this age, even some kids with AA skills and athleticism haven't hit puberty yet.
Empire and Greyhounds are also in the top ten. I know Avalanche, Greyhounds, Ambush and Empire all have many open spots and looking to Upgrade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws Select, Avalanche, and Ambush are the 5-7 in that order.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws Select, Avalanche, and Ambush are the 5-7 in that order.



Do not forget Icon.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blaze, Igloo,Icon, Express that's the top 4


Ok anybody have a 5-12 ? Or in what order would you place teams to tryout for ?
Where would True Blue, Recon, Sharks, Jesters, Legacy place ?

I would say based on Head to Head Tourney
Ambush
Outlaws Silver
Legacy
Jesters
True Blue
Recon


Recon, Outlaws Black, and Empire are better then Jesters this year.
1. Igloo BI
2. 91 BLAZE
3. EXPRESS channy
4. Icon
5. Avalance
6. Ambush
7. Outlaws select
Just for the record it's Igloo, Blaze, Express then icon.
Just for the record its Blaze, Igloo, Icon, Express
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blaze, Igloo,Icon, Express that's the top 4


Ok anybody have a 5-12 ? Or in what order would you place teams to tryout for ?
Where would True Blue, Recon, Sharks, Jesters, Legacy place ?

I would say based on Head to Head Tourney
Ambush
Outlaws Silver
Legacy
Jesters
True Blue
Recon


Recon, Outlaws Black, and Empire are better then Jesters this year.



um.....nope. Not even close.
It does not matter who is five, six or seven. What does matter is of the five , six and seven teams listed here Ambush and Avalanche have a history of making many player changes each year and they both are looking to make changes this tryout season. The rest of the teams may have a couple of open spots but won't make many changes. So if your kid is looking to drop down or move up to a top 7 team Avalanche and Ambush would be your best chance to make a top seven.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
1. Igloo BI
2. 91 BLAZE
3. EXPRESS channy
4. Icon
5. Avalance
6. Ambush
7. Outlaws select
Plain and simple Ambush has always been a revolving turnstile for players , nothing against the team but they claim many competitive traits that will run with Blaze ( far from it) , and along with parents of those players who claim their kid should be playing for Blaze , its a mixture of attitude and denial of why they are not on the AA team. The green grass on the other side will get your son in trouble ! I know parents from an adjoining organization who claim their superstar will be playing for one of these top tier teams next season , BUT the fact of the matter is if you had adequate amount of training throughout the year , had adequate amount of playtime in tournaments , and decent coaching , but still have chip on the shoulder that your superstar should be the team highlight and is good enough to be on such and such top team , then stop and realize this ! its very difficult to crack most of those top teams at this stage in the game , Most are Core Group Teams with sight for 1 or 2 players to replace bottom roster players and possibly 1 or 2 stud players to give an edge ( usually stolen from another top tier team so this is an inside deal not a tryout) , this is a rarity because chances are they are already on a top tier team and are happy enough at this stage of their team decision. , if things don't pan out for their superstar the way they feel it should this can be detrimental for their son in more ways the another. remember the game of Lacrosse is Huge , but everyone knows everyone in this tight knitted community , you start jumping ship it will catch up. At this stage and age of 2021 stick with what works if your son is a good player and is surrounded by other good players, then Best bet is talk with the coaches on what their plans are and how can the team improve moving forward from here on in ,. Most of the time parents never give it a chance , its never really the kids who have the problem , its the parents who poison the kids mind with higher expectations that aren't really realistic for their son or daughter and it ends up biting you and your son right in the [lacrosse] , we have been there and done that with two of our older kids and we have learned a lesson stick with what has been working and watch Core teams grow at this age on..




Originally Posted by Anonymous
It does not matter who is five, six or seven. What does matter is of the five , six and seven teams listed here Ambush and Avalanche have a history of making many player changes each year and they both are looking to make changes this tryout season. The rest of the teams may have a couple of open spots but won't make many changes. So if your kid is looking to drop down or move up to a top 7 team Avalanche and Ambush would be your best chance to make a top seven.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
1. Igloo BI
2. 91 BLAZE
3. EXPRESS channy
4. Icon
5. Avalance
6. Ambush
7. Outlaws select
This is ridiculous , Parents rating youth teams so they can pound their chest at lunchtime at work. Get a grip. there's a place for every kid to play. Some better then others but one things for sure no one really cares about the arrogant parent who claims their son is great and plays on a top 5 team..

Get a life.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blaze, Igloo,Icon, Express that's the top 4


Ok anybody have a 5-12 ? Or in what order would you place teams to tryout for ?
Where would True Blue, Recon, Sharks, Jesters, Legacy place ?

I would say based on Head to Head Tourney
Ambush
Outlaws Silver
Legacy
Jesters
True Blue
Recon
Good luck at tryouts, there is indeed many teams out there , yes some are higher caliber then others ,and yes tryouts are useless on higher caliber teams as core group players will supercede and if any are taken in, They are inside deals !! Beware of teams with turnstyle reputations especially with longtime coaches present . Those are teams who care about "top ten" who chances are never won anything significant usually pissing off bottom end. There are teams out there who are underated and have a good system , just do your homework .. It's all in the research of what best fits your sons abilities . Ask coaches questions prior to making a jump to or from a particular team. Many coaches are up front with most concerns and many are not . If you have that time to research teams , contact organzations to get in contact with a particular coach of a particular team , ask questions , get a feel for what to expect at tryouts and what that individual coach plans on executing during season , it will make it more worth knowing if this is what you and your son want and capable to jump in , before you waiste time on a tryout ...this will save you money and agrevation in the long run .





Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plain and simple Ambush has always been a revolving turnstile for players , nothing against the team but they claim many competitive traits that will run with Blaze ( far from it) , and along with parents of those players who claim their kid should be playing for Blaze , its a mixture of attitude and denial of why they are not on the AA team. The green grass on the other side will get your son in trouble ! I know parents from an adjoining organization who claim their superstar will be playing for one of these top tier teams next season , BUT the fact of the matter is if you had adequate amount of training throughout the year , had adequate amount of playtime in tournaments , and decent coaching , but still have chip on the shoulder that your superstar should be the team highlight and is good enough to be on such and such top team , then stop and realize this ! its very difficult to crack most of those top teams at this stage in the game , Most are Core Group Teams with sight for 1 or 2 players to replace bottom roster players and possibly 1 or 2 stud players to give an edge ( usually stolen from another top tier team so this is an inside deal not a tryout) , this is a rarity because chances are they are already on a top tier team and are happy enough at this stage of their team decision. , if things don't pan out for their superstar the way they feel it should this can be detrimental for their son in more ways the another. remember the game of Lacrosse is Huge , but everyone knows everyone in this tight knitted community , you start jumping ship it will catch up. At this stage and age of 2021 stick with what works if your son is a good player and is surrounded by other good players, then Best bet is talk with the coaches on what their plans are and how can the team improve moving forward from here on in ,. Most of the time parents never give it a chance , its never really the kids who have the problem , its the parents who poison the kids mind with higher expectations that aren't really realistic for their son or daughter and it ends up biting you and your son right in the [lacrosse] , we have been there and done that with two of our older kids and we have learned a lesson stick with what has been working and watch Core teams grow at this age on..




Originally Posted by Anonymous
It does not matter who is five, six or seven. What does matter is of the five , six and seven teams listed here Ambush and Avalanche have a history of making many player changes each year and they both are looking to make changes this tryout season. The rest of the teams may have a couple of open spots but won't make many changes. So if your kid is looking to drop down or move up to a top 7 team Avalanche and Ambush would be your best chance to make a top seven.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
1. Igloo BI
2. 91 BLAZE
3. EXPRESS channy
4. Icon
5. Avalance
6. Ambush
7. Outlaws select
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blaze, Igloo,Icon, Express that's the top 4


Ok anybody have a 5-12 ? Or in what order would you place teams to tryout for ?
Where would True Blue, Recon, Sharks, Jesters, Legacy place ?

I would say based on Head to Head Tourney
Ambush
Outlaws Silver
Legacy
Jesters
True Blue
Recon


Recon, Outlaws Black, and Empire are better then Jesters this year.



um.....nope. Not even close.


Look at the scores of the last time they played they Jesters lost to both. Recon has not played them but they have at least one a tournament.
I guess Outlaws saw what it was like to play some good teams last week they played on Team 91 and was shut out and today blown out in every game.

Word has it Mass Exodus for that select team.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess Outlaws saw what it was like to play some good teams last week they played on Team 91 and was shut out and today blown out in every game.
That's true. Our kids had a rough day, but on the other hand none of them had to go home with a tool like you..
Rough day? You should of kept them home in the pool. No one wants to play a b level team in AA
Blaze is now number one. While blaze is beating the best teams in the country by a lot Igloo is beating sub par teams in PA in close games.
Seriously why so nasty? Do you think the kids felt good about themselves? Just leave it alone and worry about your own son.
Do you really think your kid wanted to come out and get beat bad 2 days in a row. so you can say your son plays on a AA team that really is B.makes for great facebook posts and backyard barbecue conversations with people who know nothing about lax.outlaws will never be competitive in 2021.
Question for you-has a single person in this whole entire thread ever once said Select team thinks they are the best, top 3, or whatever you guys fight about? The answer is NO not once. I just don't understand why you care so much? I'm assuming you are an adult and have other things going on in your life that are more important than youth lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you really think your kid wanted to come out and get beat bad 2 days in a row. so you can say your son plays on a AA team that really is B.makes for great facebook posts and backyard barbecue conversations with people who know nothing about lax.outlaws will never be competitive in 2021.


I have an older kid, but check this age because my nephew just started playing. What kind of malicious tool bag rags on kids who played hard and didn't come up with wins. Do the parents know what tournaments the club will put their kids into when they tryout and how they will stack up ? Did your kid get cut by Outlaws ? Is that the reason for the hostility ? If not, why do you care and how does it affect you ? You seem like a miserable [lacrosse], whose kid winces every time you open that nasty hole in your face.
I don't know if any of this is true but one thing for certain only a parent who is not confident in his child's abilities would feel the need to write a post like this.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you really think your kid wanted to come out and get beat bad 2 days in a row. so you can say your son plays on a AA team that really is B.makes for great facebook posts and backyard barbecue conversations with people who know nothing about lax.outlaws will never be competitive in 2021.
IS the ambush team the same that played in the nlf 2021a division
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blaze is now number one. While blaze is beating the best teams in the country by a lot Igloo is beating sub par teams in PA in close games.


Just because you say so?? No they are not. Until you beat Igloo you cannot claim you are better. Period! The blaze team failed overall this year.

blaze lost to Igloo 10-4 in qualifiers w 4 Crush kids. Lost Twice to Igloo at LaxFest at one point it was 9-0. team 91 is an excellent team w a great coach that the boys respond to. But until they beat Igloo consistently - Igloo is still the top team at 2021.
WHY??
Was there some ringers?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
IS the ambush team the same that played in the nlf 2021a division
Same Ambush team that started out last fall. No additions, but a few who were injured were cleared to play in this tournament. Looking forward to having my son play with them again. Great group of kids and parents. The coaches made sure everyone played.
The coaches made sure everyone played ?
So the lesser of the roster plays equally as well when in championship games ? This is a selling item for us if so. Not to many teams around who give players equal playtime during competition . How well did this team do this season ? Is this team the same equal as people say in caliber of players as the A team? I hear the 1st team plays only the athletic competitive players only and the bottom half only gets minumal play when up by alot to little . Does this team have a big player turnover rate each season? That's important to know , and actually helpful in deciding how good the dynamics are from coaches to players , otherwise there would not be a need to replace because Noone would leave.




Originally Posted by Anonymous
Same Ambush team that started out last fall. No additions, but a few who were injured were cleared to play in this tournament. Looking forward to having my son play with them again. Great group of kids and parents. The coaches made sure everyone played.
The whole roster will play but not equally in tight games. Nor should it. The team has some very talented players but not on a whole as talented as Blaze. With a few pieces this team could be VERY good! Will they get those pieces? Who knows. Most of the really talented kids are already set with their teams. If they got a couple of sizeable skilled dodging attackmen they could definitely surprise some of the upper echelon at this age group.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The whole roster will play but not equally in tight games. Nor should it. The team has some very talented players but not on a whole as talented as Blaze. With a few pieces this team could be VERY good! Will they get those pieces? Who knows. Most of the really talented kids are already set with their teams. If they got a couple of sizeable skilled dodging attackmen they could definitely surprise some of the upper echelon at this age group.


Getting the "pieces" in 8th grade? Sadly this train ride is coming to an end in a year or two max. Team results won't matter. Look at the board a year or two ahead. Nobody cares who wins tourneys
Igloo needs to drop the dad head coaches. Especially at the younger years.
There is WAY to much turnover year in year out with Ambush . this team has been around for a longtime and just about every decent player in this age group has Passed through this turn style team at one point or another, they are not worth stopping by at this time of their travel time , they already have there solid set of players , 2 - 3 being the coaches sons . You cant expect much out of a team who has this type of track record of roster changes. Like previous poster said most really talented players already have their team choice ! so whatever stops in for a visit , is most likely someone who has been impatient for years and shopping for their perfect travel dream team, and before you know it , ITS ALL OVER..




Originally Posted by Anonymous
The whole roster will play but not equally in tight games. Nor should it. The team has some very talented players but not on a whole as talented as Blaze. With a few pieces this team could be VERY good! Will they get those pieces? Who knows. Most of the really talented kids are already set with their teams. If they got a couple of sizeable skilled dodging attackmen they could definitely surprise some of the upper echelon at this age group.
Looking for advice. My son is fairly new to lacrosse, and on top of that he decided to play goalie this past season. I am getting him some coaching over the summer, to coach him up a little.
My question is, which travel team would be best for him to try out for. I am not looking for the best of the best of the best (lol). Just looking for a team that has good coaching, that everyone plays and has fun, and doesn't require me to get a second mortgage.
Originally Posted by bgyako
Looking for advice. My son is fairly new to lacrosse, and on top of that he decided to play goalie this past season. I am getting him some coaching over the summer, to coach him up a little.
My question is, which travel team would be best for him to try out for. I am not looking for the best of the best of the best (lol). Just looking for a team that has good coaching, that everyone plays and has fun, and doesn't require me to get a second mortgage.

It depends on what you are looking for in a TEAM. The LONG and short of it is where do you live on long ISLAND?
Originally Posted by bgyako
Looking for advice. My son is fairly new to lacrosse, and on top of that he decided to play goalie this past season. I am getting him some coaching over the summer, to coach him up a little.
My question is, which travel team would be best for him to try out for. I am not looking for the best of the best of the best (lol). Just looking for a team that has good coaching, that everyone plays and has fun, and doesn't require me to get a second mortgage.

True Blue had goalie issues this year. They have 2 teams in this age group and their annual cost is one of the lowest of all the clubs.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by bgyako
Looking for advice. My son is fairly new to lacrosse, and on top of that he decided to play goalie this past season. I am getting him some coaching over the summer, to coach him up a little.
My question is, which travel team would be best for him to try out for. I am not looking for the best of the best of the best (lol). Just looking for a team that has good coaching, that everyone plays and has fun, and doesn't require me to get a second mortgage.

It depends on what you are looking for in a TEAM. The LONG and short of it is where do you live on long ISLAND?

Lol, slipped one passed the goalie. Metaphorically speaking.
I'm in the bethpage area.. Just looking for a team that has decent coaching to make him better, gets to play and have fun.
Not looking for scholarships or anything like that. He really likes it, and want him to have more playing time outside the school schedule.

Hitmen out of Bellmore. Play a lot. B level team but the kids learn a lot.
quote=bgyako]I'm in the bethpage area.. Just looking for a team that has decent coaching to make him better, gets to play and have fun.
Not looking for scholarships or anything like that. He really likes it, and want him to have more playing time outside the school schedule. [/quote]
So word has it Jesters have special appearance players floating around on team at today's tournament , guess trying to finish strong at other people's expense, someone mentioned they were going to blow the whistle to director but that's not going to do much as they are part of the organization.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So word has it Jesters have special appearance players floating around on team at today's tournament , guess trying to finish strong at other people's expense, someone mentioned they were going to blow the whistle to director but that's not going to do much as they are part of the organization.

There is no way that is the same team! We played them a couple of times this year and saw them at today's tournament. NO WAY!!
Originally Posted by bgyako
I'm in the bethpage area.. Just looking for a team that has decent coaching to make him better, gets to play and have fun.
Not looking for scholarships or anything like that. He really likes it, and want him to have more playing time outside the school schedule.

I heard the Vipers were pretty good.

As long as they are the proper age they can have guest players if they do choose.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So word has it Jesters have special appearance players floating around on team at today's tournament , guess trying to finish strong at other people's expense, someone mentioned they were going to blow the whistle to director but that's not going to do much as they are part of the organization.

There is no way that is the same team! We played them a couple of times this year and saw them at today's tournament. NO WAY!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous

As long as they are the proper age they can have guest players if they do choose.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So word has it Jesters have special appearance players floating around on team at today's tournament , guess trying to finish strong at other people's expense, someone mentioned they were going to blow the whistle to director but that's not going to do much as they are part of the organization.

There is no way that is the same team! We played them a couple of times this year and saw them at today's tournament. NO WAY!!


It is 100 percent same team. And not sure if you are new to tournaments , but you can bring any player you want who is right grade and has a uniform. Not case here , but slow down w the whistle blowing !
They are not the same team , know that for a fact!! If parents are okay with outside help then your foolish to stick around !
Whistle blow this team please! Challenge age of certain players?




quote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous

As long as they are the proper age they can have guest players if they do choose.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So word has it Jesters have special appearance players floating around on team at today's tournament , guess trying to finish strong at other people's expense, someone mentioned they were going to blow the whistle to director but that's not going to do much as they are part of the organization.

There is no way that is the same team! We played them a couple of times this year and saw them at today's tournament. NO WAY!!


It is 100 percent same team. And not sure if you are new to tournaments , but you can bring any player you want who is right grade and has a uniform. Not case here , but slow down w the whistle blowing ! [/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

As long as they are the proper age they can have guest players if they do choose.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So word has it Jesters have special appearance players floating around on team at today's tournament , guess trying to finish strong at other people's expense, someone mentioned they were going to blow the whistle to director but that's not going to do much as they are part of the organization.

There is no way that is the same team! We played them a couple of times this year and saw them at today's tournament. NO WAY!!


It is 100 percent same team. And not sure if you are new to tournaments , but you can bring any player you want who is right grade and has a uniform. Not case here , but slow down w the whistle blowing !


If you want to see if it is a different team just look at the helmets. Jester Helmets are the same kids and any other helmet are borrowed. Now you know why the 2022's ran screaming from the Jesters and the 2021's will not be far behind.
It was 97 degrees today , they have 5 middies and 2 attackman out hurt or on vaction two guest middies played with the team today. And yes you might thing its a different team because the goalies where playing attack and defenseman where playing short stick middie. So please blow stop your wining and watch your kid play lacrosse
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It does not matter who is five, six or seven. What does matter is of the five , six and seven teams listed here Ambush and Avalanche have a history of making many player changes each year and they both are looking to make changes this tryout season. The rest of the teams may have a couple of open spots but won't make many changes. So if your kid is looking to drop down or move up to a top 7 team Avalanche and Ambush would be your best chance to make a top seven.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
1. Igloo BI
2. 91 BLAZE
3. EXPRESS channy
4. Icon
5. Avalance
6. Ambush
7. Outlaws select
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It does not matter who is five, six or seven. What does matter is of the five , six and seven teams listed here Ambush and Avalanche have a history of making many player changes each year and they both are looking to make changes this tryout season. The rest of the teams may have a couple of open spots but won't make many changes. So if your kid is looking to drop down or move up to a top 7 team Avalanche and Ambush would be your best chance to make a top seven.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
1. Igloo BI
2. 91 BLAZE
3. EXPRESS channy
4. Icon
5. Avalance
6. Ambush
7. Outlaws select


Express can only be rated ahead of icon if you include their guest icon players. Express laid low this year and are trying to recruit
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

As long as they are the proper age they can have guest players if they do choose.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So word has it Jesters have special appearance players floating around on team at today's tournament , guess trying to finish strong at other people's expense, someone mentioned they were going to blow the whistle to director but that's not going to do much as they are part of the organization.

There is no way that is the same team! We played them a couple of times this year and saw them at today's tournament. NO WAY!!


It is 100 percent same team. And not sure if you are new to tournaments , but you can bring any player you want who is right grade and has a uniform. Not case here , but slow down w the whistle blowing !


If you want to see if it is a different team just look at the helmets. Jester Helmets are the same kids and any other helmet are borrowed. Now you know why the 2022's ran screaming from the Jesters and the 2021's will not be far behind.


Why did the 2022 go screaming? You saying they brought different players to tournaments ?? My son was on team. That is completely false.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was 97 degrees today , they have 5 middies and 2 attackman out hurt or on vaction two guest middies played with the team today. And yes you might thing its a different team because the goalies where playing attack and defenseman where playing short stick middie. So please blow stop your wining and watch your kid play lacrosse

DAMMIT!!! Ok
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They are not the same team , know that for a fact!! If parents are okay with outside help then your foolish to stick around !
Whistle blow this team please! Challenge age of certain players?




quote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous

As long as they are the proper age they can have guest players if they do choose.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So word has it Jesters have special appearance players floating around on team at today's tournament , guess trying to finish strong at other people's expense, someone mentioned they were going to blow the whistle to director but that's not going to do much as they are part of the organization.

There is no way that is the same team! We played them a couple of times this year and saw them at today's tournament. NO WAY!!


It is 100 percent same team. And not sure if you are new to tournaments , but you can bring any player you want who is right grade and has a uniform. Not case here , but slow down w the whistle blowing !
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Lol, now that is funny!!

So taking older kids on and advancing into a championship game is considered okay and deal with it? Last I saw this tournament was grade based , 7th grade bracket which is the 2021. NOT 2020 as we all saw today, I guess Jesters thought this was a world series of lacrosse tournament.... PARENTS BE AWARE stay away from Jesters organzation .




quote=Anonymous]It was 97 degrees today , they have 5 middies and 2 attackman out hurt or on vaction two guest middies played with the team today. And yes you might thing its a different team because the goalies where playing attack and defenseman where playing short stick middie. So please blow stop your wining and watch your kid play lacrosse [/quote]
And considering Jesters had 9th graders on their team they really didn't do as well as everyone thought watching them in last two games they barely won a real close game in a Braveheart to empiire in semi and then lost to wogue . I would say they are still the same team and nothing has changed .
Older kids your insane my son is on the team all the kids where 2021.
Enjoy the rest of your summer lacrosse guru.
[quote=Anonymous]
So taking older kids on and advancing into a championship game is considered okay and deal with it? Last I saw this tournament was grade based , 7th grade bracket which is the 2021. NOT 2020 as we all saw today, I guess Jesters thought this was a world series of lacrosse tournament.... PARENTS BE AWARE stay away from Jesters organzationt

The 2020 team was there and playing games at same time you idiot. Don't make stuff up about these kids. And "advancing to a championship"? They won a playoff game. Jester team is a B plus team. Not ready for A bracket but have been making playoffs all season in competitive B brackets. (Not counting this one as competitive )

Parents beware of parents like this. They are what ruin the game. Johnnys B team lost a game , other guys must be cheating.
Looking for so input for the Bluefish parents. What did you think of this program as a start up. Did you have enough practices and scrimmages? How where the coaches and playing time?
Originally Posted by bgyako
I'm in the bethpage area.. Just looking for a team that has decent coaching to make him better, gets to play and have fun.
Not looking for scholarships or anything like that. He really likes it, and want him to have more playing time outside the school schedule.

Vipers and Millon are good for developing kids.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by bgyako
I'm in the bethpage area.. Just looking for a team that has decent coaching to make him better, gets to play and have fun.
Not looking for scholarships or anything like that. He really likes it, and want him to have more playing time outside the school schedule.

Vipers and Millon are good for developing kids.


finally...a grownup. bless your heart.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by bgyako
I'm in the bethpage area.. Just looking for a team that has decent coaching to make him better, gets to play and have fun.
Not looking for scholarships or anything like that. He really likes it, and want him to have more playing time outside the school schedule.

Vipers and Millon are good for developing kids.


finally...a grownup. bless your heart.


My Pleasure. I coach PAL, and not all kids are ready to go to the top groups. Some of the top ones only take the kids who are ready to play, and they don't develop them. I push all of the boys to keep a stick in their hand all summer. It is a fun game, and should be enjoyed. Let the AA crowd push for the crowns, the rest of us just want our kids to have fun, and will be ready to compete in HS. Nobody ever looked back and said that in 8th grade, Michael Jordan was great. It just doesn't matter at this point.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by bgyako
I'm in the bethpage area.. Just looking for a team that has decent coaching to make him better, gets to play and have fun.
Not looking for scholarships or anything like that. He really likes it, and want him to have more playing time outside the school schedule.

Vipers and Millon are good for developing
kids.

Bravo well put ...thank you

finally...a grownup. bless your heart.


My Pleasure. I coach PAL, and not all kids are ready to go to the top groups. Some of the top ones only take the kids who are ready to play, and they don't develop them. I push all of the boys to keep a stick in their hand all summer. It is a fun game, and should be enjoyed. Let the AA crowd push for the crowns, the rest of us just want our kids to have fun, and will be ready to compete in HS. Nobody ever looked back and said that in 8th grade, Michael Jordan was great. It just doesn't matter at this point.
Ok so the season is over, who is going to look for greener pastures? My little Johnny played for the fluorescent green team (or one of the many **** teams). He got good play time and the parents were good but I don't feel his IQ or his skill level increased. Do I move on in hopes that he makes a better team and gets play time or continue with the current team. This is our second year of travel, is there greener pastures?
You have to do your homework for any team you consider. There is a lot of truth on this board but a lot of false information as well. Most important you have to be realistic about your kid and his abilities and potential. He may not be ready to make the next step. He could be ready too. What the better teams are looking for is size (AA and A teams are probably looking for kids 5 foot 7 and over and fast to make a change on what they already have), speed and lax IQ. Not everyone is ready for AA because those games are so much faster and very rough compared to the A games and B games. A games are much faster and more physical than B games. Also you have to check your ego at the door and pick a team where your son will play a lot and compete. To answer your question the grass could be greener if you do your homework and investigate the team, be realistic about your son's abilities and don't let your ego have any influence on what team you choose. Most bad situations are caused by the parents not following these simple rules when choosing a team rather than the team doing a bad job. good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so the season is over, who is going to look for greener pastures? My little Johnny played for the fluorescent green team (or one of the many **** teams). He got good play time and the parents were good but I don't feel his IQ or his skill level increased. Do I move on in hopes that he makes a better team and gets play time or continue with the current team. This is our second year of travel, is there greener pastures?
Newsflash Lax IQ and skill level does not just come from a travel team , It takes more then what is offered in any travel club to be stand-out! Extra time put in along with " true athleticism" ( be realistic ) and focus will exceed anyone who wants it to happen . Stepping into another Entity of Competitive level is risky at 13-14 years old with many power teams playing together for years . if the team he plays with utilizes his efforts out on field , and it seems your content with the surroundings , the suggestion would be get all the extra training you can so he makes more impact the following year. As the previous poster mentioned , you have to be realistic with your sons true ability , Also take into consideration shifting to a high level team has some consequences both earning playtime and trying to fit in with both kids and parents with the existing team , as you mentioned nice parents from his current situation ! The question is how long has he played with his current team ? if after two years playing on same team there's no improvement then I would say yes move on , But again be realistic , most parent think their kid is a lot more then their true abilities can cash in. Greener Pastures is Risky especially if he is getting his share of play on current team.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
You have to do your homework for any team you consider. There is a lot of truth on this board but a lot of false information as well. Most important you have to be realistic about your kid and his abilities and potential. He may not be ready to make the next step. He could be ready too. What the better teams are looking for is size (AA and A teams are probably looking for kids 5 foot 7 and over and fast to make a change on what they already have), speed and lax IQ. Not everyone is ready for AA because those games are so much faster and very rough compared to the A games and B games. A games are much faster and more physical than B games. Also you have to check your ego at the door and pick a team where your son will play a lot and compete. To answer your question the grass could be greener if you do your homework and investigate the team, be realistic about your son's abilities and don't let your ego have any influence on what team you choose. Most bad situations are caused by the parents not following these simple rules when choosing a team rather than the team doing a bad job. good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so the season is over, who is going to look for greener pastures? My little Johnny played for the fluorescent green team (or one of the many **** teams). He got good play time and the parents were good but I don't feel his IQ or his skill level increased. Do I move on in hopes that he makes a better team and gets play time or continue with the current team. This is our second year of travel, is there greener pastures?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You have to do your homework for any team you consider. There is a lot of truth on this board but a lot of false information as well. Most important you have to be realistic about your kid and his abilities and potential. He may not be ready to make the next step. He could be ready too. What the better teams are looking for is size (AA and A teams are probably looking for kids 5 foot 7 and over and fast to make a change on what they already have), speed and lax IQ. Not everyone is ready for AA because those games are so much faster and very rough compared to the A games and B games. A games are much faster and more physical than B games. Also you have to check your ego at the door and pick a team where your son will play a lot and compete. To answer your question the grass could be greener if you do your homework and investigate the team, be realistic about your son's abilities and don't let your ego have any influence on what team you choose. Most bad situations are caused by the parents not following these simple rules when choosing a team rather than the team doing a bad job. good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so the season is over, who is going to look for greener pastures? My little Johnny played for the fluorescent green team (or one of the many **** teams). He got good play time and the parents were good but I don't feel his IQ or his skill level increased. Do I move on in hopes that he makes a better team and gets play time or continue with the current team. This is our second year of travel, is there greener pastures?


Well said. I would stick with the teams that you know people on already. Some teams recruit like crazy, and then only play the top 13 out of 22 kids. I can't see plunking down that kind of cash just to say that my kid plays on X team. Go to the tryouts, talk to the parents that are there. You will meet some real winners who think that Johnny is the next Rabil and is too good for any team, and you will meet parents that just want their kids to have fun and get ready to play at the HS level. Good luck!
At this age stepping into 8th grade I would say stay where you are , especially that your son gets his fair share of playtime . This is the time for your son to put the extra effort in on his own to get better . A travel team will focus on a little bit of everything to prepare for showcase time with the team . Better to stick with what you know then to venture elsewhere and take a chance of being in the same position you feel you are already . If your kid is that good chances he would already be on the upper echelon team that so many parents feel that makes the world of a difference! , parents always feel their kids more capable then the curent situation. That's not doing any justice for their kid as travel seems to be more about the parent then the child.
How are the recon? Price location are perfect. From what I heard they have open spots as well.
Love that attitude, which PAL and which teams do you coach for...
I'm leaning towards vipers or recon, any thoughts?
Thanks for all the advice. Have some homework to do.
Originally Posted by bgyako
How are the recon? Price location are perfect. From what I heard they have open spots as well.
I know the Recon Coaches. Great guys who care about the kids. Solid team that competes. I would definitely look at them if I lived in that area.
Originally Posted by bgyako
Love that attitude, which PAL and which teams do you coach for...
I'm leaning towards vipers or recon, any thoughts?
True Blue is another good option. I would go to the one that is closest to where your live or where your boy has friends playing.
Originally Posted by bgyako
Love that attitude, which PAL and which teams do you coach for...
I'm leaning towards vipers or recon, any thoughts?


Viper may not have a 2021 team anymore.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by bgyako
Love that attitude, which PAL and which teams do you coach for...
I'm leaning towards vipers or recon, any thoughts?


Viper may not have a 2021 team anymore.


Why do you say that? I narrowed it down to 2 was going to have him try out for both. Recon, and Viper. I'll have to reach out to them and confirm.
Originally Posted by bgyako
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by bgyako
Love that attitude, which PAL and which teams do you coach for...
I'm leaning towards vipers or recon, any thoughts?


Viper may not have a 2021 team anymore.


Why do you say that? I narrowed it down to 2 was going to have him try out for both. Recon, and Viper. I'll have to reach out to them and confirm.

Because the Vipers went from having teams in all grades a few years ago to a having total of 2 teams in the entire organization this year. That's not a trend that you would want for a prospective travel lacrosse group.
The guys who run Recon are solid, honest guys. If your son is an average or slightly above average player right now, that's the place.
Funny how teams are posting try outs and not listing who is coaching, prices or what you get and people just sign up. Where else other than this crazy lacrosse world do people pay $100 in hopes of being granted the right to pay an unknown amount of hard earned money for unknown an amount of goods and unknown quality of services. Buyer beware. If this information is not posted with the tryout fee you may want to pass on that team.
Look on websites and you will see who will be coaching .
Are you still shopping around? How many organizations have you been with? you sound like you have knowledge on this.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny how teams are posting try outs and not listing who is coaching, prices or what you get and people just sign up. Where else other than this crazy lacrosse world do people pay $100 in hopes of being granted the right to pay an unknown amount of hard earned money for unknown an amount of goods and unknown quality of services. Buyer beware. If this information is not posted with the tryout fee you may want to pass on that team.
Not all the website have the information especially coaching spore have last year's information which is not always the same this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look on websites and you will see who will be coaching .
Are you still shopping around? How many organizations have you been with? you sound like you have knowledge on this.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny how teams are posting try outs and not listing who is coaching, prices or what you get and people just sign up. Where else other than this crazy lacrosse world do people pay $100 in hopes of being granted the right to pay an unknown amount of hard earned money for unknown an amount of goods and unknown quality of services. Buyer beware. If this information is not posted with the tryout fee you may want to pass on that team.
Just call the organization to find out. Sounds simple enough.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not all the website have the information especially coaching spore have last year's information which is not always the same this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look on websites and you will see who will be coaching .
Are you still shopping around? How many organizations have you been with? you sound like you have knowledge on this.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny how teams are posting try outs and not listing who is coaching, prices or what you get and people just sign up. Where else other than this crazy lacrosse world do people pay $100 in hopes of being granted the right to pay an unknown amount of hard earned money for unknown an amount of goods and unknown quality of services. Buyer beware. If this information is not posted with the tryout fee you may want to pass on that team.
We all have had family discussions with our boys.. List in order of desire the top 3 dreams schools that your son would like to receive an offer from before the recruiting process is all said and done. Keep it simple. I will start it off..

1) Duke
2) Princeton
3) UNC

1) FountainHead
2) Platt
3) Becker
Notre Dame
Dartmouth
MIT

Yale
Brown
Norte Dame
Heard Igloo is making changes on Black Ice. They are looking to get bigger at all positions and looking to replace smaller defense and middies. I guess that is the result of the World Series.
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Heard Igloo is making changes on Black Ice. They are looking to get bigger at all positions and looking to replace smaller defense and middies. I guess that is the result of the World Series.


Why would they need to do that?/

Wasnt their problem that they played with a 2021 age team against a team that had several 2020 players brought in due to May 1 deadline of world Series.
Doesnt Igloo just need to make up a special team of players for World Series and keep their age based teams in tack for league play and normal tournaments ? Most tournaments dont have a May 1 deadline. Even tho many tournaments go by grade only which in itself leads to many shenanigans with the age of players.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard Igloo is making changes on Black Ice. They are looking to get bigger at all positions and looking to replace smaller defense and middies. I guess that is the result of the World Series.


Why would they need to do that?/

Wasnt their problem that they played with a 2021 age team against a team that had several 2020 players brought in due to May 1 deadline of world Series.
Doesnt Igloo just need to make up a special team of players for World Series and keep their age based teams in tack for league play and normal tournaments ? Most tournaments dont have a May 1 deadline. Even tho many tournaments go by grade only which in itself leads to many shenanigans with the age of players.


Yeah, doesn't make sense. Many of those boys are big already. The WSYL opponent was mostly 2020s (got that directly from a parent from the champion team). Next year WYSL will most likely be 9/1.
Being as good as Igloo has been for as long as they have losing a couple of games doesn't mean they are in need of a major overhaul/. Who exactly are they going to overhaul with? where are the new studs coming from? It makes sense that they may be able to improve with a handful of players picked off of another team but not major changes.
More likely that they may be seeing an exodus of players. It is more likely they are making changes out of necessity because they will have spots to fill
holdbacks
Marquette
Hartford
High Point
Hopkins
Duke
UVA

Navy
Notre Dame
UNC
I would hope that's the case and not that Igloo is outing kids right as the recruiting years begin. That would not speak well for the organization and I would guess not resonate well to the younger grades.
Just asked him what three colleges question, ready?
1) Stony Brook- cause it is close
2) UPen- because Uncle Robert works there
3) Binghampton- because the local kid that gives lessons to him goes there
All in the order he wants. My list started with Navy above. A guy can dream can't he. Well at least I won't have a far ride to go and get him during breaks. GO SEAWOLVES!!!!
^^ That's awesome.

UNC
Duke
Harvard
Blown out at NXT by a team one hour later that got blown out by Blaze. That is why Igloo making changes. Not World Series.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Being as good as Igloo has been for as long as they have losing a couple of games doesn't mean they are in need of a major overhaul/. Who exactly are they going to overhaul with? where are the new studs coming from? It makes sense that they may be able to improve with a handful of players picked off of another team but not major changes.
More likely that they may be seeing an exodus of players. It is more likely they are making changes out of necessity because they will have spots to fill
The same IGLOO team at NXT was the same team that bllew out Blaze at Laxfest 2x and blew out Blaze plus 4 Crush kids at qualifier.

I think it's just how things work out. People leave - people join.


Igloo could not even make it to the championship game at NXT. Blaze blew out the team that blew out Igloo. Blaze peaked in July and Igloo in June. That was shown at NXT. Too bad Igloo could not play Bllaze at NXT. That day was not going against Blaze no matter who they played.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The same IGLOO team at NXT was the same team that bllew out Blaze at Laxfest 2x and blew out Blaze plus 4 Crush kids at qualifier.

I think it's just how things work out. People leave - people join.

Heard Cromwell got the Manhasset Head Coach Position. Great pickup SET!!! that will be great for Manhasset Boys.
Maybe he teach them how to pass.
Brilliant pickup!
Ok, here it is. Are any LI 2020s re-classing to 2021? What teams/positions?
If they do it usually kids from the bigger programs but very few.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, here it is. Are any LI 2020s re-classing to 2021? What teams/positions?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If they do it usually kids from the bigger programs but very few.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, here it is. Are any LI 2020s re-classing to 2021? What teams/positions?


Unfortunately this practice is now spreading to New [lacrosse].
Know of a 2019 whos held back to 2020 who is now re-classing as a 2021... WOW... desperate ..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If they do it usually kids from the bigger programs but very few.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, here it is. Are any LI 2020s re-classing to 2021? What teams/positions?


Unfortunately this practice is now spreading to New [lacrosse].


If it is , it is a shame..But understandable with the explosion of kids heldback all in the name of lacrosse in MD and PA ...sad..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If they do it usually kids from the bigger programs but very few.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, here it is. Are any LI 2020s re-classing to 2021? What teams/positions?


Unfortunately this practice is now spreading to New [lacrosse].


Express
What about Express? They had one kid reclassify last year. He's now a 2020.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Know of a 2019 whos held back to 2020 who is now re-classing as a 2021... WOW... desperate ..



If the player is a Fogo or goalie, the on age kid will probably be pushed aside. What a shame. Pretty important year also.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Know of a 2019 whos held back to 2020 who is now re-classing as a 2021... WOW... desperate ..


no way!

How many hold-backs did 2019 have. 4/5
Crusher going to blazer.




Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Know of a 2019 whos held back to 2020 who is now re-classing as a 2021... WOW... desperate ..



If the player is a Fogo or goalie, the on age kid will probably be pushed aside. What a shame. Pretty important year also.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crusher going to blazer.




Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Know of a 2019 whos held back to 2020 who is now re-classing as a 2021... WOW... desperate ..



If the player is a Fogo or goalie, the on age kid will probably be pushed aside. What a shame. Pretty important year also.

Shocking !!!!
Parent of a younger child looking for advise. Should your child wear a travel helmet (top team for last year) or town helmet to a tryout. Want to go back to last years club but need to take care of him first.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crusher going to blazer.




Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Know of a 2019 whos held back to 2020 who is now re-classing as a 2021... WOW... desperate ..



If the player is a Fogo or goalie, the on age kid will probably be pushed aside. What a shame. Pretty important year also.

Shocking !!!!


Yeah Right

If you don't want his current team to find out he is trying out wear the town helmet.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Parent of a younger child looking for advise. Should your child wear a travel helmet (top team for last year) or town helmet to a tryout. Want to go back to last years club but need to take care of him first.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't want his current team to find out he is trying out wear the town helmet.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Parent of a younger child looking for advise. Should your child wear a travel helmet (top team for last year) or town helmet to a tryout. Want to go back to last years club but need to take care of him first.


Does it matter if they find out?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't want his current team to find out he is trying out wear the town helmet.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Parent of a younger child looking for advise. Should your child wear a travel helmet (top team for last year) or town helmet to a tryout. Want to go back to last years club but need to take care of him first.


Does it matter if they find out?


No it doesn't matter, it's just business, not personal. Wear the travel helmet!
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