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Posted By: B_O_T_C Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 07/29/15 01:38 PM
BOTC is opening our Fall 2015 through Summer 2016 thread covering the Boys 2021-7th Grade age group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/05/15 11:59 AM
Shocked to be kicking off this thread. Re tryouts for any AA team, maybe even more so for teams trying to be...buyer beware...Dad coaches promoting son without comsequences (cheap labor), absentee Directors too busy counting the money, flimsy claims about how many of their players now play in college, immediate conflicts with Town teams, new kids added simply to have a bench that never gets used, 15 minute shifts for first line with quick too minute breaks, loudmouth coaches who take the fun out of playing and replace it with fear of making a mistake and being loudly ripped by a coach, helicopter parents who jump when the coach asks how high (or schedules an out of state game on Easter), ugly uniforms, games you would be embarassed to bring grandparents to, parent child "pep talks" that would make psychologists cringe, a weekly competition for who can bring the more expensive food item for the banquet that goes half eaten (because clearly as lax parents we are well off). All for the low, low price of $3,000 and dragging your entire family to these tournaments for the best 9 weeks of weather that we have in the NE. I expect "its not for you, move on". I've moved on. Happily. Blissfully. Never to look backedly. I suggest you calculate how many summers you have between now and when junior heads off to Podunk on the 1/8th ride he earned for all of his sacrifice, and ask yourself if it is worth it. Is your ego that big, your desire for that car sticker and bragging rights that great? Has this cult turned us all into drones feeding the machine? Wake up. Play town, play school, play hoops, play soccer, take a vacation, take your kids to the beach. You are missing out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/05/15 12:18 PM
Thank You !!!!..this is such an awesome critique of Travel Lax that it needs to be shared to EVERYONE who has ever taken part in the charade that is travel lax. havig done itnow for 2+ years, i can truly attest to the validity of the comments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/05/15 12:50 PM
Its a wonderful game being hijacked by those with a profit motive. They are creating the illusion that "this is what you need to do if you want to play at the next level" and then operating it with former college players. (Notice: Being a college player 20 years ago means nothing now, and many of these guys would never make these teams now due to the growth of the game).

Create a market where there is none and then market it like crazy to make people feel like they are missing out if they aren't aboard the train. Any coincidence many of these Directors are former Wall Street guys.

Take back the game. It's ours, not theirs. Let your kids be kids and let their natural talents and interest take them where they want to go, wherever that is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/05/15 01:00 PM
You can say that about any travel sport. For many, traveling as families with teammates over the years has been a great way to have fun with family and friends at the same time. We have been involved in hockey, soccer, lacrosse and a small basketball stint for travel and we have always built great memories. I think if you do your research, know the philosophy of the club and coach you are aligned with and it suits your family values and philosophy of youth sports it can be a great experience. I'd rather have my kids with my whole family traveling and with us on Friday and Saturdays than playing video games and wandering the streets with nothing to do but find trouble. We still find pools, beaches, movies etc in between and after games. We do spend a lot of money, but we enjoy it. Younger siblings grow with other siblings on the teams and very often end up playing together. Teammates become life long friends and enjoy rivalries when they play one another in HS match ups.

I may be the minority, or maybe we have fallen into the right teams/clubs over the years across various sports, but we truly enjoy the experiences and the memories made. If any of my kids decide to call it quits- they get to make that call, but we certainly would have a bank of fun times to look back on and many friendships to hold on to as well. To each their own.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/05/15 02:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shocked to be kicking off this thread. Re tryouts for any AA team, maybe even more so for teams trying to be...buyer beware...Dad coaches promoting son without comsequences (cheap labor), absentee Directors too busy counting the money, flimsy claims about how many of their players now play in college, immediate conflicts with Town teams, new kids added simply to have a bench that never gets used, 15 minute shifts for first line with quick too minute breaks, loudmouth coaches who take the fun out of playing and replace it with fear of making a mistake and being loudly ripped by a coach, helicopter parents who jump when the coach asks how high (or schedules an out of state game on Easter), ugly uniforms, games you would be embarassed to bring grandparents to, parent child "pep talks" that would make psychologists cringe, a weekly competition for who can bring the more expensive food item for the banquet that goes half eaten (because clearly as lax parents we are well off). All for the low, low price of $3,000 and dragging your entire family to these tournaments for the best 9 weeks of weather that we have in the NE. I expect "its not for you, move on". I've moved on. Happily. Blissfully. Never to look backedly. I suggest you calculate how many summers you have between now and when junior heads off to Podunk on the 1/8th ride he earned for all of his sacrifice, and ask yourself if it is worth it. Is your ego that big, your desire for that car sticker and bragging rights that great? Has this cult turned us all into drones feeding the machine? Wake up. Play town, play school, play hoops, play soccer, take a vacation, take your kids to the beach. You are missing out.


+1!! My youngest plays travel. I'm kinda glad my oldest lost interest a while back in all honesty. If I feel that my younger doesn't have the interest or passion for the game and doesn't want to play, I'll gladly let him stop
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/05/15 02:12 PM
You are all correct, it just depends on who you play for and what you are looking for. As with any product there are going to be good ones and bad ones, things you want and things you believe you need. These are decisions that only an individual can make. There is no blanket judgement of right or wrong, good or bad. Some choose to travel all over the place and spend tons of money, some want less of a commitment of time and lower costs. In the end the most important question is "who are we doing this for?" If you're being honest and your child loves what he is doing and you can afford it then it makes sense. Regardless of what kids do today it costs money. Whether they are into music, art, sports, etc. there is always going to be a cost involved in both time and money. Let go of the notion that this is necessary in order to go to college. The odds are that most players are only going to maximize their potential in anything if they have something special inside them and the love of that something brings it out. If there is no enjoyment there will be nothing but regret in the long run. If your child loves what he is doing, likes his teammates and plays for good coaches then just enjoy the experience and understand it is as much about making friends and memories as it is about anything else. There is no shame in walking away from something that you don't believe is good for you, or more importantly, your child.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/05/15 02:29 PM
can i get an AMEN!?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/05/15 02:47 PM
The good programs are few and far between. I hear too many parents lament that they and their kid are "just getting through it". No way for a kid so spend summer. There is plenty of pressure to compete at everything the other 10 months of the year- school, sports, whatever. Can't we give them the gift of just being a kid for 60 days. That down time is when they discover what makes them tick. The time away lets them make good choices.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/05/15 03:17 PM
what's wrong with the 2021 parents? stop with the common sense, all for the kids approach and start ranking the top 2021 teams and who has more hold backs!

Sincerely,
2020 thread
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/05/15 03:27 PM
I'm a 2021 coach and this Summer was the first time our season ended (luckily on a good note) when kids just wanted more. One more tournament or tried to get spot at lacrosse camp or "when's practice start back up."

Football will take all those players energy, but I think kids are mostly tired of rec soccer and cross country is just to stay in shape. I have been lobbied to beef up our Fall season so their kids have a sport they are excited about until wrestling/hockey/basketball season. (Almost every kid on my team plays 3 sports.)

Anyway, I think all the criticisms above are valid and I think the coach and/or program head really needs to work hard to give their team (and parents) a good family experience. A lot of that is being positive, trying to navigate playing time issues, keeping costs down, avoiding Friday afternoon traffic jams, etc. Watching kids from so many different schools become friends (and act like kids!) has clearly been the best part of the experience so far.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/05/15 06:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
speaking of Wall Street guys who are running travel programs........there is a director of girls program who has been banned/fined/sanctioned for his activities on Wall Street. Look it up...fine was for deceptive sales practices...much bucks fine too....

Was it the Outlaws?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/05/15 07:01 PM
Outlaws are a girls program??? Learn to read moron!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/05/15 07:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
speaking of Wall Street guys who are running travel programs........there is a director of girls program who has been banned/fined/sanctioned for his activities on Wall Street. Look it up...fine was for deceptive sales practices...much bucks fine too....

Was it the Outlaws?


The outlaws don't have a girls program.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/05/15 10:32 PM
Outlaw haters get a life. It's great to be an Outlaw!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/05/15 11:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shocked to be kicking off this thread. Re tryouts for any AA team, maybe even more so for teams trying to be...buyer beware...Dad coaches promoting son without comsequences (cheap labor), absentee Directors too busy counting the money, flimsy claims about how many of their players now play in college, immediate conflicts with Town teams, new kids added simply to have a bench that never gets used, 15 minute shifts for first line with quick too minute breaks, loudmouth coaches who take the fun out of playing and replace it with fear of making a mistake and being loudly ripped by a coach, helicopter parents who jump when the coach asks how high (or schedules an out of state game on Easter), ugly uniforms, games you would be embarassed to bring grandparents to, parent child "pep talks" that would make psychologists cringe, a weekly competition for who can bring the more expensive food item for the banquet that goes half eaten (because clearly as lax parents we are well off). All for the low, low price of $3,000 and dragging your entire family to these tournaments for the best 9 weeks of weather that we have in the NE. I expect "its not for you, move on". I've moved on. Happily. Blissfully. Never to look backedly. I suggest you calculate how many summers you have between now and when junior heads off to Podunk on the 1/8th ride he earned for all of his sacrifice, and ask yourself if it is worth it. Is your ego that big, your desire for that car sticker and bragging rights that great? Has this cult turned us all into drones feeding the machine? Wake up. Play town, play school, play hoops, play soccer, take a vacation, take your kids to the beach. You are missing out.


If you were that happily and blissfully content you wouldn't have to bash something you just left. it's not for everyone. I'll give you that. but if your kid really loves it, it's all worth it. It would have been nice to get out of town every weekend as a kid. I actually envy mine. In a good way. our beaches are way overrated anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/05/15 11:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can say that about any travel sport. For many, traveling as families with teammates over the years has been a great way to have fun with family and friends at the same time. We have been involved in hockey, soccer, lacrosse and a small basketball stint for travel and we have always built great memories. I think if you do your research, know the philosophy of the club and coach you are aligned with and it suits your family values and philosophy of youth sports it can be a great experience. I'd rather have my kids with my whole family traveling and with us on Friday and Saturdays than playing video games and wandering the streets with nothing to do but find trouble. We still find pools, beaches, movies etc in between and after games. We do spend a lot of money, but we enjoy it. Younger siblings grow with other siblings on the teams and very often end up playing together. Teammates become life long friends and enjoy rivalries when they play one another in HS match ups.

I may be the minority, or maybe we have fallen into the right teams/clubs over the years across various sports, but we truly enjoy the experiences and the memories made. If any of my kids decide to call it quits- they get to make that call, but we certainly would have a bank of fun times to look back on and many friendships to hold on to as well. To each their own.


well said. a lot of us feel exactly the same way but don't often articulate it as eloquently as you just did.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can say that about any travel sport. For many, traveling as families with teammates over the years has been a great way to have fun with family and friends at the same time. We have been involved in hockey, soccer, lacrosse and a small basketball stint for travel and we have always built great memories. I think if you do your research, know the philosophy of the club and coach you are aligned with and it suits your family values and philosophy of youth sports it can be a great experience. I'd rather have my kids with my whole family traveling and with us on Friday and Saturdays than playing video games and wandering the streets with nothing to do but find trouble. We still find pools, beaches, movies etc in between and after games. We do spend a lot of money, but we enjoy it. Younger siblings grow with other siblings on the teams and very often end up playing together. Teammates become life long friends and enjoy rivalries when they play one another in HS match ups.

I may be the minority, or maybe we have fallen into the right teams/clubs over the years across various sports, but we truly enjoy the experiences and the memories made. If any of my kids decide to call it quits- they get to make that call, but we certainly would have a bank of fun times to look back on and many friendships to hold on to as well. To each their own.


well said. a lot of us feel exactly the same way but don't often articulate it as eloquently as you just did.


Well said. Both of you.
I always find it funny when people have a bad experience with travel sports they feel the need to bash those that continue to do it.
I love travel lax and our family has so many great memories of our travel tournaments and all the excursions and adventures we incorporated into those trips.

If it's not for you feel free to not participate!!!
For those that participate please share your experiences "from the road". Trips that you made to tournaments that you incorporated side trips or excursions for example.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/06/15 12:13 PM
I feel free to not participate. But by your logic, only the "good" aspects of travel would be represented here. Those who found it to be a terrible experience should simply be quiet? Parents looking at programs shouldn't see another point of view? You must be in bed with one of these organizations that charges families $100 to try out for teams that really don't have open spots, and are just trolling to add a C team to make even more money- as the Outlaws obviously now are at this age group. "We won't field a C team. We will only out a quality product in the field". How laughable is that? If they have 16 bodies with a pulse they will have a third team. I am not picking on the Outlaws- they are just following 91 and Express blueprint to make more money.

Beyond this, these Programs have ALOT of problems. Read the initial thread if you are looking at Travel and want the truth from a parent who has been through it- not the Directors trolling here. Its not just time away during the Summer. These programs all talk about how they are looking to develop athletes with character. It is complete BS. These are for profit corporations that want to build winning reputations so they can field even more teams, making more money, selling easy, deep pocketed dupes the dream of D1 glory.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/06/15 12:48 PM
To not call these Directors out is to allow them to keep scamming parents. Every parent wants to think their kid could make it to the next level. These scammers prey on that and bilk $3,000 per year from the families. And before you tell me you do it for the love of the game- ask yourself if you see junior playing in college some day. The VAST majority of parents involved have unattainable college aspirations for their kids lacrosse career. These are stoked and taken advantage of by these Directors. They make it seem within reach.

See how prominently, and sometimes very inflatedly, they tout their "college commits". "100 in the past 3 years". How many of them played at the younger levels for them, and how many of them were recruited to play a single tournament, with the fee waved, so the organization could use their name?

Its no different that a penny stock broker pitching the explosive growth of a new issue. And in this case, they are one and same people.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/06/15 02:04 PM
Again, if you choose not to have your kid play, you don't have to. I do think your point if view is valid and sharing is important, but it isn't an absolute. As I stated earlier, our family has grown very close over the years as a unit and alongside many other families because of the amount of time we spend together, traveling and experiencing new places. We have been fortunate to have traveled to many states through our travel sports experiences. We have visited beaches, mountains, parks, museums, landmarks and numerous restaurants along the way. We have done so as a family, along with friends.

My kids have been in travel sports for more than a few years now. We have been with various clubs and coaches. Overall, we have had above avg experiences and cannot complain. My boys have played at different levels as well- at various points B, A, AA and that didn't change our experience either. I suspect the coach, the philosophy and the families made the experience worth doing. It is possible you've had a few bad experiences. It is possible that you prefer hanging at the beach or a golf club. That's okay- but it's not that travel lax is bad for everyone. Many friends not in the travel arena spend over 8-10 grand a summer on cabanas, their boats or sleep away camps. If that is what they prefer, that is fine and maybe for you it is too. My family spends less and experiences out summers enjoying the lax scene at different ages and the money spent is less than what others spend on their summer excursions or boat etc. my kids enjoy it, I don't feel ripped off, my kids are learning and growing. They play other sports and have good grades. I know many kids as such. I also believe there is a place for many of our kids to play in college. Will they all go D1- no. But there are many D-2 and D-3 schools looking for players as well. I know many people say that hardly any kids will go D1, well I can count more than a dozen kids committed to D1 schools just from our experiences within the last year and I suspect there will be many more coming. I do think it is possible, and not a pipe dream, but you have to be realistic about your kids grades, skills and personality. You don't necessarily need club lax to get committed, but it is another avenue to help you get there- whether it be D1-2 or 3. Take it for what it is and if it isn't for you that's okay, but for those that do find it to be a worthwhile experience, enjoy every second because it does go by in a blink of an eye.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/06/15 02:25 PM
To further add, this conversation reminded me of this letter. While the sport is hockey, it can pertain to any travel sport. However, it does share the sentiments that many of us feel for travel sports- the craziness, the glory, the tears- the good and bad. In the end it's not all about playing in college, but much more. Enjoy...

The Junior Hockey News
Covering The World Of Junior Hockey
A Fathers Letter To His Son At The End Of His Hockey Playing Career
Posted by Admin
This letter was sent to us by a player who received it from his Father. The player said one thing before attaching the letter; “this is what its all about.” I think that this is something that all of us hockey fathers will one day wish we have written to our sons:

Dear _______________________,

Has it really been 18 years since I first took you skating? It feels like it was yesterday. I can remember the very first time, and the look on your face as you struggled to balance on those skates.

Has it really been 16 seasons of watching you play? Where has the time gone, how many hundreds of hours have we spent at the rink and in the car? How many trips to Tim Hortons have we made?

I find it hard to believe now, that in a few short weeks it will all come to an end. The practices, the games, the trips to buy new gear in the summer, and all the camps.

While there is a part of me that is tremendously sad that it is ending, I would not trade the sadness I feel for anything in the world. I am sad not only because of the end, but because I know how you will feel a year from now.

While it would be easy for me to be selfish and complain about it ending, I can only hope you can find a way to replace what you have always known as routine. While you may be leaving the game as a competitive player, the game should always be a part of you. The memories you have should last a lifetime. The friends you have made will always be your friends.

Take these last games and relish every minute of them. Play with a passion that will allow you to let the game go as a player and remain full with the memories it has given you. Hockey may no longer consume you, but it will always be a part of you. As you walk away, know that one day you will come back.

This is a circle. It is a family thing. One day I hope you will experience the sadness I feel today with your own son. Why? Because there is joy behind the sadness.

Through this adventure we have taken as a family, you have grown into a man. A man that any parent would be proud of. You have a future, you understand rules, and you know what it is to be a team player. You have learned to give back, and you understand what it takes to push yourself beyond what you thought you could achieve.

My joy in having watched you grow into the person that you are today will outweigh the sadness of watching these last games knowing they will be the last. My joy will one day be in watching you tie your sons skates as you pass on this tradition.

I am proud of you. Thank you for allowing me to come along this journey with you. I wouldnt trade one minute of this experience for anything.

Dad





Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/06/15 03:11 PM
Travel lacrosse is not for everyone> Not every kid is going to get a scholarship. Not every kid is going to play D1. That is all true. But not every kid who takes piano lessons will play at Carnegie Hall. Not every girl taking dance lessons will Dance with the Rockettes.
Sometimes the kids just like playing lacrosse. Sometimes they like to play lacrosse in the spring as well as in the summer and winter. Why shouldn't they be able to? If there is a program that is willing to field a team, even for a profit, and it provides the child an opportunity to play whats the harm?
I am not a director but am a coach in both youth and High School. I have both A level players and B and C level. Why cant the "C" kid play in the summer? He doesn't need to win a national championship on TV to enjoy the game. His time isn't wasted if he doesn't develop into the next superstar. He is playing a game that he enjoys. There should be a place for him to play.
I didn't play pro. I did play DIII for a short period of time. I loved and still love the game. I still play in an over 40 league. These kids will hopefully have the opportunity to do the same.
Don't look at travel as a method to get something down the road. Look at it as a past time and a game to play. Have a realistic perspective and it is more fun. Stop asking if we are there yet and enjoy the ride and the scenery!

If a third team is coached and plays in level appropriate tournaments how is that a money grab? If the kids get to play and learn isn't that what it is there for? The slower kid with less than deadly stick skills should be able to play if he wants to. His parents should have the opportunity to watch him play. He should be able to go to a tournament in Hershey and hit the roller coasters with his friends afterward. You shouldn't need to commit to Hopkins in 8th grade to have fun in this game
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/06/15 03:33 PM
I think both the original post and the rebuttal are well said. There are definitely parents who lose focus and make it not fun for the family, because they expect their kid to get a scholarship, and there are other parents who appreciate youth sports for what it truly should be. The travel scene is not for everyone, and that's OK.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/06/15 04:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Travel lacrosse is not for everyone> Not every kid is going to get a scholarship. Not every kid is going to play D1. That is all true. But not every kid who takes piano lessons will play at Carnegie Hall. Not every girl taking dance lessons will Dance with the Rockettes.
Sometimes the kids just like playing lacrosse. Sometimes they like to play lacrosse in the spring as well as in the summer and winter. Why shouldn't they be able to? If there is a program that is willing to field a team, even for a profit, and it provides the child an opportunity to play whats the harm?
I am not a director but am a coach in both youth and High School. I have both A level players and B and C level. Why cant the "C" kid play in the summer? He doesn't need to win a national championship on TV to enjoy the game. His time isn't wasted if he doesn't develop into the next superstar. He is playing a game that he enjoys. There should be a place for him to play.
I didn't play pro. I did play DIII for a short period of time. I loved and still love the game. I still play in an over 40 league. These kids will hopefully have the opportunity to do the same.
Don't look at travel as a method to get something down the road. Look at it as a past time and a game to play. Have a realistic perspective and it is more fun. Stop asking if we are there yet and enjoy the ride and the scenery!

If a third team is coached and plays in level appropriate tournaments how is that a money grab? If the kids get to play and learn isn't that what it is there for? The slower kid with less than deadly stick skills should be able to play if he wants to. His parents should have the opportunity to watch him play. He should be able to go to a tournament in Hershey and hit the roller coasters with his friends afterward. You shouldn't need to commit to Hopkins in 8th grade to have fun in this game
To add, if you think about for every stud, their are 5 very good players, for every good player there are 10 medicare players. I have always said their is more opportunity for B teams then AA or A. The best part os that becasue so many kids fit this level, you really dont even need to travel. Igloo, Outlaws and Legacy,, after they play each other twice then what ? But if you are a B team there are probably 25 clubs of your talent level including some good town teams I am surprised the business model has not focused mor eon this area. Just like there are mens over 40 leagues, many kids just play for fun and exercise and the team experience
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/06/15 11:02 PM
Well said. Who is really expected to bring sashimi to a tournament? Took this year off from club ball and my son could not have been happier. The summer was great. Beach, Golf, real vacations and no pressure. Sounds like we didn't miss much. I heard from club parents how the kids roasted standing on some country corn field watching parents fight while still holding their Solo cups between running up and down the turnpike. I am sure the elevator tag gets old and so does my $200 tab at every meal (Why am I paying for your wife and kids family vacation meals?). Don't miss the pyscho coaches, overzealous parents and traffic on the Outerbridge. Thanks to dropping club lacrosse my son got to go to camp and play basketball this year while I saved whatever the "scholarship" would amount too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/06/15 11:10 PM
No offense, I would not want to spend my family vacation traveling with some annoying family whose sole common interest was 7th grade lacrosse and getting drunk at the pool. Or the field. I certainly would not want to pay for it. And stop taking the other 3 screaming kids. There, I said it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/07/15 01:12 AM
Thank you to the person who posted that letter earlier today from the dad to his son who was finishing up on his hockey playing days. Im a 40+ father of multiple boys that play sports and competitive as anythhing. Call me a big mush but reading it made me teary eyed. That letter is what its all about so thx again for sharing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/07/15 01:20 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well said. Who is really expected to bring sashimi to a tournament? Took this year off from club ball and my son could not have been happier. The summer was great. Beach, Golf, real vacations and no pressure. Sounds like we didn't miss much. I heard from club parents how the kids roasted standing on some country corn field watching parents fight while still holding their Solo cups between running up and down the turnpike. I am sure the elevator tag gets old and so does my $200 tab at every meal (Why am I paying for your wife and kids family vacation meals?). Don't miss the pyscho coaches, overzealous parents and traffic on the Outerbridge. Thanks to dropping club lacrosse my son got to go to camp and play basketball this year while I saved whatever the "scholarship" would amount too.


Fair enough. But may I ask why, if you've been out of travel lacrosse for a year, and your life is so much better since you've left, why are you still reading and posting on a travel lacrosse page?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/07/15 01:23 AM
It was one of the wisest things I have ever seen posted on this site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thank you to the person who posted that letter earlier today from the dad to his son who was finishing up on his hockey playing days. Im a 40+ father of multiple boys that play sports and competitive as anythhing. Call me a big mush but reading it made me teary eyed. That letter is what its all about so thx again for sharing.
Lets be honest, sports is about winning and losing. If your unhappy your child doesn't play enough work harder. I too am tired of everyone bashing this wonderful sport that I played in over the 30 years ago. If you want a trophy for showing up play for Obama and the liberals. Working hard will make you better and prepare you for life. That's it!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/07/15 11:26 AM
Originally Posted by Tycotian
Lets be honest, sports is about winning and losing. If your unhappy your child doesn't play enough work harder. I too am tired of everyone bashing this wonderful sport that I played in over the 30 years ago. If you want a trophy for showing up play for Obama and the liberals. Working hard will make you better and prepare you for life. That's it!!!
Its all about winning and losing ? BS, when I throw equipment on and bring my relic of stick out once on a while to play in an over 40 game its not to win
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/07/15 11:35 AM
Yes it is a lesson in life, my kid driving home after one game, and
Said to me that he is better then some of the kids that
Play more then him. I told him your right, but I told him just like at my job
Some people are very friendly with the boss/coach. So he gives them more pppporunity.
He works hard it's my wife and I that have to suck up more.
That is sad, and what people are sick of doing.nr7
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/07/15 11:44 AM
Thank you Mr. Trump. Your comments sort of make my point.

No one is bashing lacrosse. Its a great sport- maybe the best.

What I and others are bashing, are the elements that are making it less of a game and more of an occupation. Can the travel experience be good- of course it can. Many of you have detailed that. However, increasingly it is NOT a good experience. The tide is turning, and doing so due to some peoples' recognition that they can make alot of money selling D1 hope. That cancer trickles down to all levels of lacrosse.

Their certainly is a market for B teams, for kids who want to play. Problem is, no parent on the B team doesnt want their kid on the A team, so there is no place for a kid to avoid the insanity.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/07/15 12:05 PM
And the absolute worst situation are the B level teams that aspire to be AA. I have never seen a B level coach who was happy at B. They all want a seat at the table. They all want to think their kid has a chance at D1, and therefore must play on an AA team. Just work harder. Play more. Toughen up. Shake off the conwebs and get back in there. See where I am going with this...

Reality- most kids who play D1 have natural ability that is uncommon. Its not enough to get them to D1, but too many parents in this scene think their kid has the talent and just needs to play more, work harder and buy into the travel
Mess.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/07/15 02:14 PM
It's a delicate balance as to playing time. I've got one son who got minimal playing time for a couple years. He was OK with it, because he loved the team and thought the three guys ahead of him were better. What got tougher was after he had a breakout school season and then did well as a guest player for another program (at a sibling's tournament). Still saw himself behind those 3 guys, but not really behind some new kids added for seemingly money or political reasons. I'm a 2021 coach and I think it's important for parents to tell their kids to work harder and implement what the coaches tell them if they want to play more, not sympathize with their kids wanting to play more. But obviously every situation is different and if - trying to be as objective as possible - you think the coach is not allocating PT for the best interest of the team, find a coach whose motivations you trust.

Not sure I understand the comments above regarding B teams. I think it's foolish, of course, to think you have D1 material at the 2021 level and, much worse, it's horribly dangerous to send a kid back into the game that might have a concussion.

That said, it's a good thing to play teams a level up from you now and then. Ideally, I think you play a team you can "run with" even if the score ends up 10-3. You have so many teaching points at practice the next week. And, yes, you tell the kids they need to work harder on their stick skills and in practice if they want to play at a higher level. Of course better teams are more athletic, but better teams also invariably have better stick skills and even B players can raise their stick skills to an A level through hard work. And making that "one more" pass or passing when you draw the slide or moving the ball quickly to the backside are all things B players can learn, even though B "teams" don't do those things (at 2021). Especially from outside Md and NY, your team may think they are hot stuff, but they can't even beat a B team from LI. With hard work, I think teams can step it up a notch every season, though I agree you aren't going to get to AA without high level coaching and AA and A athletes - hard-working B players fall apart against AA players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/07/15 02:20 PM
Suggestion to the mods. If possible, make this a different thread since it's good conversation and is buried under the boys 2021 thread, and just start a new 2021 thread.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Suggestion to the mods. If possible, make this a different thread since it's good conversation and is buried under the boys 2021 thread, and just start a new 2021 thread.


I am not sure why this thread will not suffice.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/07/15 06:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thank you Mr. Trump. Your comments sort of make my point.

No one is bashing lacrosse. Its a great sport- maybe the best.

What I and others are bashing, are the elements that are making it less of a game and more of an occupation. Can the travel experience be good- of course it can. Many of you have detailed that. However, increasingly it is NOT a good experience. The tide is turning, and doing so due to some peoples' recognition that they can make alot of money selling D1 hope. That cancer trickles down to all levels of lacrosse.

Their certainly is a market for B teams, for kids who want to play. Problem is, no parent on the B team doesnt want their kid on the A team, so there is no place for a kid to avoid the insanity.


What you describe is bad parenting not a problem with travel lacrosse. If you want to be on an A or especially an AA team expect year round commitment. Expect playing time based on ability and performance and expect, if your son is not one of the top performers to be upset with the playing time and the turnpike and the splitting of the bill at a team dinner.
If your son is a "B" player, let him play appropriate level lacrosse with less traveling and more even playing time. If your son is a sstud and you are not happy with the over the top commitment for a top team, play on a different team and be a stud. Just don't be upset when all your teammates are not equal caliber players.
Just being good enough to make the top team does not mean you need to play for that team. Find your happy spot and play there. You may not be able to have your cake and eat it too. You cant play top level and complain about all that goes into it. You cant play on the top teams if you are not over the top in both your, and your son's love of the game. If it is a chore to do it it is work and not a game. If that is the case you are doing neither you or your son any favors. He may develop that love down the road but if he doesnt have it at 12 and you are forcing him to he will never develop it. If he does and you are the sour puss, suck it up and do it for him or dont it's your choice as a parent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/07/15 09:31 PM
Anyone know anything about the Bluefish for this age group. For the prices they are charging and tryout dated it Appears they may have a core group of kids that they know will be on the team. Anyone know if they have players already for 2021. Anyone have any info on this team other than what is posted on the Internet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/08/15 12:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know anything about the Bluefish for this age group. For the prices they are charging and tryout dated it Appears they may have a core group of kids that they know will be on the team. Anyone know if they have players already for 2021. Anyone have any info on this team other than what is posted on the Internet.
IS this the old Jr Lizards ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/08/15 03:46 PM
[quote=Anonymous]Thank you Mr. Trump. Your comments sort of make my point.

No one is bashing lacrosse. Its a great sport- maybe the best.

What I and others are bashing, are the elements that are making it less of a game and more of an occupation. Can the travel experience be good- of course it can. Many of you have detailed that. However, increasingly it is NOT a good experience. The tide is turning, and doing so due to some peoples' recognition that they can make alot of money selling D1 hope. That cancer trickles down to all levels of lacrosse.

Their certainly is a market for B teams, for kids who want to play. Problem is, no parent on the B team doesnt want their kid on the A team, so there is no place for a kid to avoid the insanity. [/quote


you cant have it both ways. You accept your child thrives on B or struggles on A. Its your choice. No one is breaking anyones arm. Only a small percentage go to D1. Everyone should know that. If you feel you were sold a bag of goods maybe you weren't being realistic from the beginning.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/08/15 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes it is a lesson in life, my kid driving home after one game, and
Said to me that he is better then some of the kids that
Play more then him. I told him your right, but I told him just like at my job
Some people are very friendly with the boss/coach. So he gives them more pppporunity.
He works hard it's my wife and I that have to suck up more.
That is sad, and what people are sick of doing.nr7

yes, but the beauty of it is you have other choices.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/12/15 02:49 PM
anyone heard how the Rising Son team in Philadelphia broke up?? they are calling teams to merge because their kids left the program!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/12/15 04:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
anyone heard how the Rising Son team in Philadelphia broke up?? they are calling teams to merge because their kids left the program!!



STOP WITH YOUR LIES!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/13/15 03:32 AM
Nope, not true at all. They will be stronger than ever this year at all age groups.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/14/15 11:04 AM
Those who want to know who is coaching the team and what location practices are in

Long Island Bengals

Massapequa/Bellmore/Merrick

Gary Levitan - Director and Head Coach 2021 Boys Team

Occupation

Physical Education Teacher in Plainedge School District (1999 - Present)
Coaching

Plainedge High School Head Coach 1999-2014
Over 150 Wins (Most in school history)
Big Four Champions 2007 and 2008
Most Improved Team Award 1999
3 US Lacrosse All-Americans
2 US Lacrosse Scholar All-Americans
Mamaroneck High School Head Coach 1998
Checkmate Lacrosse Camp 1996-2006
Lutheran High School Head Coach 1994-1997
Started program in 1994
Metro Coach of the Year 1996
Metro League Champions 1996
Director of LuHi Lacrosse Camp 1994-1997

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/14/15 12:38 PM
Would be great if the teams posted all of their coaches coaching resumes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/14/15 01:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Would be great if the teams posted all of their coaches coaching resumes.


While resumes can certainly attract families/players, I think that while they may be impressive, they do not speak to whether they are actually able to coach younger kids. You can be a great college or HS coach, but have no ability to relate to the younger set. It is a whole different ball game of skills, including a lot of patience, management, extra sensitivity and fairness. I think reaching out to former families to get a wide view of opinions about philosophy, playing time, practice and game expectations etc are very important too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/15/15 02:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Would be great if the teams posted all of their coaches coaching resumes.


While resumes can certainly attract families/players, I think that while they may be impressive, they do not speak to whether they are actually able to coach younger kids. You can be a great college or HS coach, but have no ability to relate to the younger set. It is a whole different ball game of skills, including a lot of patience, management, extra sensitivity and fairness. I think reaching out to former families to get a wide view of opinions about philosophy, playing time, practice and game expectations etc are very important too.


LI Bengals coaches are all teachers as well. So they know how to relate to child and parent
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/16/15 09:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
anyone heard how the Rising Son team in Philadelphia broke up?? they are calling teams to merge because their kids left the program!!
heard that they are retooling to compete in Denver for the wsyl
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/16/15 09:36 PM
Is the Outlaw Black 2021 an AA or A team? I saw they are looking to do a select team, buts kinda confused as to how they're labeling them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/16/15 10:50 PM
how many kids showed up for the outlaws 2021 tryouts? how was the tryout run? organized? or was it a mess?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/16/15 11:14 PM
55-60 kids at 1 st out law try out - select top team - black 2 nd team which is coached by Bonn from cold spring
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/17/15 12:18 AM
So Bonn left as assistant coaching Silver with that Sullivan (?) guy head coach and is heading out Black, or is Sullivan (?) really the head coach of this and Bonn still assisting?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/17/15 12:59 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
55-60 kids at 1 st out law try out - select top team - black 2 nd team which is coached by Bonn from cold spring


thank you for the information.

i thought the outlaws are running 3 teams at 2021. are they running only two?

is the talent at 2021 available to them high enough for them to run a decent AA team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/17/15 01:09 AM
can someone please comment on the Express Program? I am trying to figure out if it is a team that would be a good fit for my son. What tournaments do they play in? how many practices do they have in the fall and winter? how many teams do they run at this age level? how many kids try out for this team? how many slots are truly open? what are the 2021 coaches like? thank you
Originally Posted by Anonymous
can someone please comment on the Express Program? I am trying to figure out if it is a team that would be a good fit for my son. What tournaments do they play in? how many practices do they have in the fall and winter? how many teams do they run at this age level? how many kids try out for this team? how many slots are truly open? what are the 2021 coaches like? thank you


Before you start listening to all kinds of bull, I suggest you go to their tryout flyer and email Jill.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/17/15 02:14 PM
Very well said
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/17/15 03:40 PM
A friend of my son's plays for Express and loves it. As a matter of fact, he has friends that play for many of these teams, and most of them are having a blast, and the parents keep going back and having fun. I would go check it out and talk to the parents who have played there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/19/15 01:06 AM
Many Igloo kids at different try out over the last four days. Are they leaving Igloo or just leaving options open?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/19/15 02:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Many Igloo kids at different try out over the last four days. Are they leaving Igloo or just leaving options open?
igloo is loading up, they have to make it to Denver for wsyl
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/20/15 10:58 AM
How were the numbers at tryout?



Originally Posted by Anonymous
A friend of my son's plays for Express and loves it. As a matter of fact, he has friends that play for many of these teams, and most of them are having a blast, and the parents keep going back and having fun. I would go check it out and talk to the parents who have played there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/20/15 03:15 PM
I have only been to Outlaws (50-60) Not going to tryout for every team out there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/20/15 04:04 PM
Although I was not there I heard Express had about 50 kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How were the numbers at tryout?



Originally Posted by Anonymous
A friend of my son's plays for Express and loves it. As a matter of fact, he has friends that play for many of these teams, and most of them are having a blast, and the parents keep going back and having fun. I would go check it out and talk to the parents who have played there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/20/15 05:04 PM
Similar showing as Outlaws, around 5-60

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Although I was not there I heard Express had about 50 kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How were the numbers at tryout?



Originally Posted by Anonymous
A friend of my son's plays for Express and loves it. As a matter of fact, he has friends that play for many of these teams, and most of them are having a blast, and the parents keep going back and having fun. I would go check it out and talk to the parents who have played there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/21/15 10:25 AM
Yes heard last couple of years it was close to 100 at tryouts for 2021 , Express has been declining , and was told the talent pool was not there either this past week. Express has become a rotisserie for travel . Parents are realizing the organization and more so MC doesn't care about you and your kid after the money has been collected , He is concerned about every kid before tryouts till Winter , they give you minimum for maximum $ , And the whole catholic school myth is also a crock . If your kids better then a Express Player he is going to play over him period !


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Although I was not there I heard Express had about 50 kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How were the numbers at tryout?



Originally Posted by Anonymous
A friend of my son's plays for Express and loves it. As a matter of fact, he has friends that play for many of these teams, and most of them are having a blast, and the parents keep going back and having fun. I would go check it out and talk to the parents who have played there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/21/15 02:05 PM
How were Igloo tryouts? Rich getting richer? A chance to play on ESPN2 next Summer has got to be a big pull.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/21/15 03:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How were Igloo tryouts? Rich getting richer? A chance to play on ESPN2 next Summer has got to be a big pull.


next week
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/21/15 05:23 PM
I would imagine like last year there will be a lot of kids with great talent at Igloo try outs and then a big drop in talent. Last year when those great talented kids found out they only made the B team they went to other clubs leaving the second team with mostly kids where the talent dropped. Still good players but a big drop in talent. Expect the same this year. There have been a lot of Igloo kids at a few of the tryouts this year from the second team so we will see if the second team could get a competitive team this year. Last year they were very good for a first year team maybe not A but very close. It is hard to keep second teams with talent together. The Cudas are a perfect example of that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How were Igloo tryouts? Rich getting richer? A chance to play on ESPN2 next Summer has got to be a big pull.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/21/15 09:35 PM
are there any tune up clincs, or general invitation practices available for 2021 players to help get prepared for tryouts? if so when, where? thank you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/21/15 10:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
are there any tune up clincs, or general invitation practices available for 2021 players to help get prepared for tryouts? if so when, where? thank you.


It's too late for that. 2021 is halfway thru tryouts for 3-4 of the main teams.

Preparation for tryouts (or tryout preseason) happens at the start of May and during summer ball, so the young athlete can finish strong and be remembered at tryouts a few weeks later. It's like riding a bike, nothing will be forgotten in a three week hiatus, and a last minute clinic is not going to bring him to the next level.

A few weeks off and the stick away in order to be a kid and enjoy summer is the best reset button or refresher.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/21/15 10:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
are there any tune up clincs, or general invitation practices available for 2021 players to help get prepared for tryouts? if so when, where? thank you.


Go to other try outs for reps and plays. That is one way to get your kid warmed up and gauge the talent on other teams. It helps you get a realistic view on where you kid may belong, as long as you do not mind spending the money for the try outs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/22/15 01:55 AM
what tournaments will 2021 express be playing in this upcoming season? if there is an a and a b team, which tournaments will each team be playing in? if this is unknown, what tournaments did they play in last season?

thank you
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/22/15 02:18 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what tournaments will 2021 express be playing in this upcoming season? if there is an a and a b team, which tournaments will each team be playing in? if this is unknown, what tournaments did they play in last season?

thank you


You need Kreskin to answer this question.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/22/15 08:46 PM
can anyone please CONSTRUCTIVELY tell me about legacy 2021? hoping for useful answers, my son is considering trying out for them. thank you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/22/15 10:02 PM
Three teams. Blue Knights is the A team. It is an A- team and very close to A. When they had the Express Wolves playing with them in the fall they were a solid A team. Needs some top players to be A. The second team is a solid B team. Not B plus yet. But a better B team. Don't know about the third team or how much any team practices. I don't know if they still bring in the Wolves for games. That would be a concern. They had a lot of conflicts in the summer so the wolves could not play with them. Probably not a bad choice compared to other A and B teams out there but not great either. Good luck.



quote=Anonymous]can anyone please CONSTRUCTIVELY tell me about legacy 2021? hoping for useful answers, my son is considering trying out for them. thank you. [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/23/15 01:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three teams. Blue Knights is the A team. It is an A- team and very close to A. When they had the Express Wolves playing with them in the fall they were a solid A team. Needs some top players to be A. The second team is a solid B team. Not B plus yet. But a better B team. Don't know about the third team or how much any team practices. I don't know if they still bring in the Wolves for games. That would be a concern. They had a lot of conflicts in the summer so the wolves could not play with them. Probably not a bad choice compared to other A and B teams out there but not great either. Good luck.


Blue Knights cannot beat either Igloo team, Express, 91, ICON or Team Long Island. They are not an A team.


quote=Anonymous]can anyone please CONSTRUCTIVELY tell me about legacy 2021? hoping for useful answers, my son is considering trying out for them. thank you.
[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/23/15 02:55 AM
Bold statement. Blue Knights tied igloo B then lost in a brave heart. I guess that means blue knight "cannot beat" them ever. They Tied igloo the second time they played. Blue Knights beat the turtles and igloo B lost to the turtles 9-2 the same day. Legacy beat the jesters by a lot and igloo lost to the jesters. Jesters beat team Long Island and igloo B lost to team Long Island by a lot. You can not say blue nights "cannot" beat igloo B. Igloo B and legacy are A- maybe B plus. Neither are A. If the jesters could beat igloo B and team Long Island so can legacy. Read the post again it does not say blue knights are A.




Blue Knights cannot beat either Igloo team, Express, 91, ICON or Team Long Island. They are not an A team.


quote=Anonymous]can anyone please CONSTRUCTIVELY tell me about legacy 2021? hoping for useful answers, my son is considering trying out for them. thank you. [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/23/15 03:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bold statement. Blue Knights tied igloo B then lost in a brave heart. I guess that means blue knight "cannot beat" them ever. They Tied igloo the second time they played. Blue Knights beat the turtles and igloo B lost to the turtles 9-2 the same day. Legacy beat the jesters by a lot and igloo lost to the jesters. Jesters beat team Long Island and igloo B lost to team Long Island by a lot. You can not say blue nights "cannot" beat igloo B. Igloo B and legacy are A- maybe B plus. Neither are A. If the jesters could beat igloo B and team Long Island so can legacy. Read the post again it does not say blue knights are A.




Blue Knights cannot beat either Igloo team, Express, 91, ICON or Team Long Island. They are not an A team.
Blue Knights lost to TLI by a fair amount.

quote=Anonymous]can anyone please CONSTRUCTIVELY tell me about legacy 2021? hoping for useful answers, my son is considering trying out for them. thank you.
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/23/15 05:45 AM

thank you for your very helpful comments. how is the quality of the coaching?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three teams. Blue Knights is the A team. It is an A- team and very close to A. When they had the Express Wolves playing with them in the fall they were a solid A team. Needs some top players to be A. The second team is a solid B team. Not B plus yet. But a better B team. Don't know about the third team or how much any team practices. I don't know if they still bring in the Wolves for games. That would be a concern. They had a lot of conflicts in the summer so the wolves could not play with them. Probably not a bad choice compared to other A and B teams out there but not great either. Good luck.



quote=Anonymous]can anyone please CONSTRUCTIVELY tell me about legacy 2021? hoping for useful answers, my son is considering trying out for them. thank you.
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/23/15 01:28 PM
We have been a part of a couple of clubs over the past 9 years with our three boys. Two of which are now playing in college. I can say from experience and with much enthusiasm that Legacy is by far the most organized club. The coaching is great and the directors are very approachable and friendly. The level of play is also very high.
We would recommend this club to anyone looking for a great club experience both for your son and you. Good luck.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/23/15 01:33 PM

I know nothing about the coaching or the number of practices. Every kid is different when it comes to coaching. So there is no one answer for that. Some kids need a tough coach some would quit with a tough coach. I don't know the coach. Call the director and ask questions. Try and find parents on the team or know people on the team. When my sons team played them they seemed organized but I really don't know. Return rate will help you a lot. When you go to tryout if it is mostly legacy helmets there that is a good sign. If there is a lot of open spaces that means kids left and that is never good. Go to all the teams tryouts. It is worth going. I hear good and bad about legacy. I have not seen anything terrible except them bringing the wolves kids on to play some games. If they still do that you may want to keep away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

thank you for your very helpful comments. how is the quality of the coaching?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three teams. Blue Knights is the A team. It is an A- team and very close to A. When they had the Express Wolves playing with them in the fall they were a solid A team. Needs some top players to be A. The second team is a solid B team. Not B plus yet. But a better B team. Don't know about the third team or how much any team practices. I don't know if they still bring in the Wolves for games. That would be a concern. They had a lot of conflicts in the summer so the wolves could not play with them. Probably not a bad choice compared to other A and B teams out there but not great either. Good luck.



quote=Anonymous]can anyone please CONSTRUCTIVELY tell me about legacy 2021? hoping for useful answers, my son is considering trying out for them. thank you.
[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/23/15 02:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know nothing about the coaching or the number of practices. Every kid is different when it comes to coaching. So there is no one answer for that. Some kids need a tough coach some would quit with a tough coach. I don't know the coach. Call the director and ask questions. Try and find parents on the team or know people on the team. When my sons team played them they seemed organized but I really don't know. Return rate will help you a lot. When you go to tryout if it is mostly legacy helmets there that is a good sign. If there is a lot of open spaces that means kids left and that is never good. Go to all the teams tryouts. It is worth going. I hear good and bad about legacy. I have not seen anything terrible except them bringing the wolves kids on to play some games. If they still do that you may want to keep away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

thank you for your very helpful comments. how is the quality of the coaching?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Three teams. Blue Knights is the A team. It is an A- team and very close to A. When they had the Express Wolves playing with them in the fall they were a solid A team. Needs some top players to be A. The second team is a solid B team. Not B plus yet. But a better B team. Don't know about the third team or how much any team practices. I don't know if they still bring in the Wolves for games. That would be a concern. They had a lot of conflicts in the summer so the wolves could not play with them. Probably not a bad choice compared to other A and B teams out there but not great either. Good luck.



quote=Anonymous]can anyone please CONSTRUCTIVELY tell me about legacy 2021? hoping for useful answers, my son is considering trying out for them. thank you.
[/quote]

Having a few kids myself, experiencing various clubs in different ages, I would say it has much less to do with the actual club and a lot more to do with the coaches. The club may take the money and post on the website, but the coaches, their philosophy, their pick of tournaments, and the way they run, schedule and communicate about practices, scrimmages and competitive games. Ask to speak to the coach and get these questions answered before you give 2-3 grand to a club. A travel sport can become a miserable experience if you find you dislike a coach and how he interacts with his families and players. Asking other families on that team is another way to learn more, but just remember, not everyone values the same experiences. Good luck to your son.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/23/15 03:40 PM
Legacy Blue Knight beat Team Long Island in the fall but they had the best Express players playing with them that day. I agree TLI is better but you can't say Legacy can't ever beat them.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bold statement. Blue Knights tied igloo B then lost in a brave heart. I guess that means blue knight "cannot beat" them ever. They Tied igloo the second time they played. Blue Knights beat the turtles and igloo B lost to the turtles 9-2 the same day. Legacy beat the jesters by a lot and igloo lost to the jesters. Jesters beat team Long Island and igloo B lost to team Long Island by a lot. You can not say blue nights "cannot" beat igloo B. Igloo B and legacy are A- maybe B plus. Neither are A. If the jesters could beat igloo B and team Long Island so can legacy. Read the post again it does not say blue knights are A.




Blue Knights cannot beat either Igloo team, Express, 91, ICON or Team Long Island. They are not an A team.


quote=Anonymous]can anyone please CONSTRUCTIVELY tell me about legacy 2021? hoping for useful answers, my son is considering trying out for them. thank you.
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/23/15 03:51 PM
Did anyone go the Bluefish tryout yesterday? If yes, how did it go?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/23/15 04:45 PM
It was a well ran tryout, lots of Hofstra players doing evals. Tierney and other big names were bouncing around between 3 groups. but overall a good tryout, ran practice style.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/24/15 02:04 AM
Great post K
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/24/15 10:31 AM
Can anybody tell me if their is it a big jump for your son going from 6th to 7th grade in the lacrosse world?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/24/15 11:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anybody tell me if their is it a big jump for your son going from 6th to 7th grade in the lacrosse world?


Yes, it's huge! Especially if he plays u13, which he may have to in age based tournaments because there is no u12. This is where you run into kids in full puberty as well as holbacks, and of course the dreaded double holdback!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/24/15 11:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anybody tell me if their is it a big jump for your son going from 6th to 7th grade in the lacrosse world?


Well if you listen to the holdback whiners, it must be the equivalent of going from hitting a baseball in little league to trying to hit off Clayton Kershaw
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/24/15 12:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anybody tell me if their is it a big jump for your son going from 6th to 7th grade in the lacrosse world?


Well if you listen to the holdback whiners, it must be the equivalent of going from hitting a baseball in little league to trying to hit off Clayton Kershaw



Reality is, holdback or not, in that puberty range it's a big deal. You often will have a young 7th grader (Turns 12 in August) playing against an older 7th grader (turns 13 in September). That's the difference between a little boy and a young man and you can see it on the field immediately not only in terms of size but just how they move. The younger boy is often disadvantaged during this period.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/24/15 12:32 PM
Interesting tryout season so far. The best 2021 teams meaning B plus, A and AA will be filled by sept 1. After that only B and C teams will have spots open or having first tryouts. The chances of a team improving out of the B level is almost impossible this year given all the best teams tried out together and the best kids are taken. For those looking for the best B teams where should they go?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/24/15 03:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interesting tryout season so far. The best 2021 teams meaning B plus, A and AA will be filled by sept 1. After that only B and C teams will have spots open or having first tryouts. The chances of a team improving out of the B level is almost impossible this year given all the best teams tried out together and the best kids are taken. For those looking for the best B teams where should they go?


You mean A teams in B programs (or startups like Bluefish), and I think that teams may pick up the kids who Igloo doesn't take on the A team. So then you have parents who rightly (or not) don't want the B team experience, they are the available kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/24/15 03:08 PM
would someone please be kind enough to comment on what they know about Millon Force at this age group, and whether they are organized well?

im not looking to label the team a b or c, but would rather know whether the teams they play are evenly matched, or does millon get blown out frequently, or do they run up a score on other teams frequently?

how is the quality of the coaching?


thank you, in advance, for any helpful information.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/24/15 04:38 PM
Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/24/15 05:08 PM
The kids igloo does not take on their Black ice team will just go back to the team they played for last year or a team they aready made this year with a spot held for them. They will not play on a b to b plus team like avelanche. There will not be too many of those players. Everyone know by now if the igloo director has not asked your kid to try out for Black ice the chances of making that team is almost zero. So this weeks tryouts is really for the avelanche team which last year had a buch of B level players and had half its teams at other try outs this year and may have already commited to other teams. I doubt igloo tryout left overs will have any A players looking for a team.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interesting tryout season so far. The best 2021 teams meaning B plus, A and AA will be filled by sept 1. After that only B and C teams will have spots open or having first tryouts. The chances of a team improving out of the B level is almost impossible this year given all the best teams tried out together and the best kids are taken. For those looking for the best B teams where should they go?


You mean A teams in B programs (or startups like Bluefish), and I think that teams may pick up the kids who Igloo doesn't take on the A team. So then you have parents who rightly (or not) don't want the B team experience, they are the available kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/24/15 05:11 PM
I coach PAL for this age group and pushed many of my boys who wanted to play travel for the first time to go there. A few of my boys play for them, and get better every year, have fun, and keep going back for more. It would be frustrating for an exceptional player, but for an average to above average player it is great.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/24/15 05:17 PM
My friends son plays for them. He has spoken very highly about this team. The coaches run excellnt practices and he saw tremendous improvement. I understand they play in appropriate level at local tourneys so arent blowing out teams or getting blown out by 20. He is happy with the team for his son
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/24/15 05:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile


Are you serious? Having another team play well and compete would make people want to jump ship! to where? who else has been as dominant or has the track record? are you really suggesting one close game would scare people away?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/24/15 07:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anybody tell me if their is it a big jump for your son going from 6th to 7th grade in the lacrosse world?


From a 30,000 ft look as a parent on the sidelines, for the next few years there is a big difference in the play from 6th to 7th again up to 8th then another big jump at 10th. All really maturity rate driven, then at 10th wow mind and body on many of these boys are amazing.

My son has played up each step of the way as well as play on age. and yes the hold back issue, is an issue you will see. but my son says it is all the same outside of that one player that's lights out. He says you start realizing a team concept is the best method of play. Where Lax IQ and physical conditioning is very important.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/24/15 08:54 PM
THEY CANT EVER BEAT TEAM LI! TLI thumped the Blue Knights 8-0 this Summer. It was never close. You cannot compare the two!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy Blue Knight beat Team Long Island in the fall but they had the best Express players playing with them that day. I agree TLI is better but you can't say Legacy can't ever beat them.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bold statement. Blue Knights tied igloo B then lost in a brave heart. I guess that means blue knight "cannot beat" them ever. They Tied igloo the second time they played. Blue Knights beat the turtles and igloo B lost to the turtles 9-2 the same day. Legacy beat the jesters by a lot and igloo lost to the jesters. Jesters beat team Long Island and igloo B lost to team Long Island by a lot. You can not say blue nights "cannot" beat igloo B. Igloo B and legacy are A- maybe B plus. Neither are A. If the jesters could beat igloo B and team Long Island so can legacy. Read the post again it does not say blue knights are A.




Blue Knights cannot beat either Igloo team, Express, 91, ICON or Team Long Island. They are not an A team.


quote=Anonymous]can anyone please CONSTRUCTIVELY tell me about legacy 2021? hoping for useful answers, my son is considering trying out for them. thank you.
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/24/15 09:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
THEY CANT EVER BEAT TEAM LI! TLI thumped the Blue Knights 8-0 this Summer. It was never close. You cannot compare the two!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy Blue Knight beat Team Long Island in the fall but they had the best Express players playing with them that day. I agree TLI is better but you can't say Legacy can't ever beat them.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bold statement. Blue Knights tied igloo B then lost in a brave heart. I guess that means blue knight "cannot beat" them ever. They Tied igloo the second time they played. Blue Knights beat the turtles and igloo B lost to the turtles 9-2 the same day. Legacy beat the jesters by a lot and igloo lost to the jesters. Jesters beat team Long Island and igloo B lost to team Long Island by a lot. You can not say blue nights "cannot" beat igloo B. Igloo B and legacy are A- maybe B plus. Neither are A. If the jesters could beat igloo B and team Long Island so can legacy. Read the post again it does not say blue knights are A.




Blue Knights cannot beat either Igloo team, Express, 91, ICON or Team Long Island. They are not an A team.


quote=Anonymous]can anyone please CONSTRUCTIVELY tell me about legacy 2021? hoping for useful answers, my son is considering trying out for them. thank you.
[/quote] [/quote][/quote]

True...however does that TLI team still exist? Heard most of that team was going to Empire.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 12:45 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile


YOU ARE OUT OF YOU MIND !!! One close game against a very good team who is very well coach and people are jumping ship you are really funny. Black Ice has not lost a tournament in 2 years and they are something like 90-3 in last 3 years____COM'ON MAN ......YOU MADE MY DAY smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 01:22 AM
To clear things up. The many 2021 Igloo kids seen at different try outs were not from Black Ice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile


YOU ARE OUT OF YOU MIND !!! One close game against a very good team who is very well coach and people are jumping ship you are really funny. Black Ice has not lost a tournament in 2 years and they are something like 90-3 in last 3 years____COM'ON MAN ......YOU MADE MY DAY smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 12:58 PM
You are incorrect.....There was 1, yes 1 player on the TLI team that this applies to, although he was a younger kid. 99% of that team is 2021. FACT.


Originally Posted by Anonymous



True...however does that TLI team still exist? Heard most of that team was going to Empire.
[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 01:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To clear things up. The many 2021 Igloo kids seen at different try outs were not from Black Ice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile

even the majority of the Avalanche team was very happy with the exception of a few who thought they were better then
YOU ARE OUT OF YOU MIND !!! One close game against a very good team who is very well coach and people are jumping ship you are really funny. Black Ice has not lost a tournament in 2 years and they are something like 90-3 in last 3 years____COM'ON MAN ......YOU MADE MY DAY smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 01:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are incorrect.....There was 1, yes 1 player on the TLI team that this applies to, although he was a younger kid. 99% of that team is 2021. FACT.


Originally Posted by Anonymous



True...however does that TLI team still exist? Heard most of that team was going to Empire.
[/quote]

This is truly a question, not a dig- if TLI is a very capable team, why don't we see them at more tournaments against the better competition? I ask not just of this team, but all age groups.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 01:17 PM
That's why they are leaving TLI, to have the opportunity to play against better competition in better tournaments.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are incorrect.....There was 1, yes 1 player on the TLI team that this applies to, although he was a younger kid. 99% of that team is 2021. FACT.


Originally Posted by Anonymous


True...however does that TLI team still exist? Heard most of that team was going to Empire.


This is truly a question, not a dig- if TLI is a very capable team, why don't we see them at more tournaments against the better competition? I ask not just of this team, but all age groups. [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 01:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are incorrect.....There was 1, yes 1 player on the TLI team that this applies to, although he was a younger kid. 99% of that team is 2021. FACT.


Originally Posted by Anonymous


True...however does that TLI team still exist? Heard most of that team was going to Empire.


This is truly a question, not a dig- if TLI is a very capable team, why don't we see them at more tournaments against the better competition? I ask not just of this team, but all age groups. [/quote]

It is an age-based org and therefore tries to play in age-based tourneys of which they are apart of something called the Passport Allianace which is comprised of other like-minded teams. While they are often criticized for multi-grade kids on a team, their teams are age appropriate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To clear things up. The many 2021 Igloo kids seen at different try outs were not from Black Ice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile


YOU ARE OUT OF YOU MIND !!! One close game against a very good team who is very well coach and people are jumping ship you are really funny. Black Ice has not lost a tournament in 2 years and they are something like 90-3 in last 3 years____COM'ON MAN ......YOU MADE MY DAY smile
90-3, how would you know that? Who keeps crazy stats like that at this age?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 02:21 PM
You say "the majority of the Avalanche team was very happy with the exception of a few who thought they were better". If that is true why is it that at least half of Igloo Avalanche kids are being seen at tryouts all over the place? The kids seen at tryouts are the better kids. Those are the ones wearing Igloo helmets. There could be more who are not wearing Igloo helmets. It may be that they all come back to Igloo this season but it won't be because they want to be there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To clear things up. The many 2021 Igloo kids seen at different try outs were not from Black Ice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile

even the majority of the Avalanche team was very happy with the exception of a few who thought they were better then
YOU ARE OUT OF YOU MIND !!! One close game against a very good team who is very well coach and people are jumping ship you are really funny. Black Ice has not lost a tournament in 2 years and they are something like 90-3 in last 3 years____COM'ON MAN ......YOU MADE MY DAY smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 04:49 PM
Black Ice picks and chooses when they play. If they are missing 1 or 2 certain kids they back out of tournaments, games and scrimmages. They ONLY play with all the key players. They are afraid to play without one or two kids. No other team does this. Teams play with who ever shows up but not Black Ice. Igloo Black Ice also has 2020 kids but play in 2021 tournaments. They avoid Crush. Both Crush and Black Ice are technically 2020 teams for the past 3 years. This past season they played less than they have in the past. They had more one goal games this year and more close games. Less blow outs. This could explain why they are not playing as much. Play less to keep a perfect record. This hurts the kids and helps the program reputation. That may be why everyone is catching up to them and they find themselves in closer games and many more one goal games. If you don't play that much and everyone else is playing more the team and individuals won't improve as much as the rest. Until they play Crush (and other state 2020 top teams), play more often and play when certain kids are not able to make it is hard to respect the 90-3 record.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To clear things up. The many 2021 Igloo kids seen at different try outs were not from Black Ice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile


YOU ARE OUT OF YOU MIND !!! One close game against a very good team who is very well coach and people are jumping ship you are really funny. Black Ice has not lost a tournament in 2 years and they are something like 90-3 in last 3 years____COM'ON MAN ......YOU MADE MY DAY smile
90-3, how would you know that? Who keeps crazy stats like that at this age?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 05:15 PM
So, your child has only ever tried out for one team? Do you see an issue with YOUR son trying out for another team even if he's happy with Express? Or would you advise your son NOT to tryout for another team as a 'plan B' option in the event he might not make his current team again? I think it's wise to always have a fallback option.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You say "the majority of the Avalanche team was very happy with the exception of a few who thought they were better". If that is true why is it that at least half of Igloo Avalanche kids are being seen at tryouts all over the place? The kids seen at tryouts are the better kids. Those are the ones wearing Igloo helmets. There could be more who are not wearing Igloo helmets. It may be that they all come back to Igloo this season but it won't be because they want to be there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To clear things up. The many 2021 Igloo kids seen at different try outs were not from Black Ice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seeing a bunch of 2021 igloo boys at other tryouts. Guess seeing Icon hold their own against igloo is making some want to jump ship.

Listening to the igloo brigade defend themselves is always the highlight of my day smile

even the majority of the Avalanche team was very happy with the exception of a few who thought they were better then
YOU ARE OUT OF YOU MIND !!! One close game against a very good team who is very well coach and people are jumping ship you are really funny. Black Ice has not lost a tournament in 2 years and they are something like 90-3 in last 3 years____COM'ON MAN ......YOU MADE MY DAY smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 05:28 PM
This Must be a Manhasset DIG
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 05:44 PM
What do people think about the early tryouts. I like it because the kids have just stop playing and are not too rusty and get it over with early. Any other thoughts?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 07:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This Must be a Manhasset DIG
what is?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 07:59 PM
Can anyone comment on Outlaws black team? Competitive? Coaching? Are they a good group?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 08:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What do people think about the early tryouts. I like it because the kids have just stop playing and are not too rusty and get it over with early. Any other thoughts?


Like them- kids still in the flow- before school starts- football not fully into season- parents find out the team and possible tournaments for the Fall early on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 08:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone comment on Outlaws black team? Competitive? Coaching? Are they a good group?


If one followed the announcement of the Outlaws going Select AA, A and B this year, along with the respective coaching staff, one could guess, it was a name change. Black is being renamed Select, Silver being renamed Black, and a third team no relegated to Silver status.

Silver entered B divisions last year and I'm not sure if they won a tournament, so nobody knows how they will perform as the A Black team.

IMO, both last year's Black and Silver team will a need significant amount of new talented players to jump a level.

Good luck to them, hope it works out, especially with all the new board member additions. It could happen. But it could not. Time will tell. Be a smart consumer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 09:53 PM
We scrimmaged Black in early Spring and we won in a very lopsided fashion. It would be hard to rank them up there with the A teams, but I have no idea how their season turned out. Thinking about ditching current club- buried on 3rd line- for a B team in hopes of getting real playing time. These guys looked like an option. One of the better B's in a manner of speaking...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/25/15 10:22 PM
Yes Agree 100 percent. Can start practice early too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What do people think about the early tryouts. I like it because the kids have just stop playing and are not too rusty and get it over with early. Any other thoughts?


Like them- kids still in the flow- before school starts- football not fully into season- parents find out the team and possible tournaments for the Fall early on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 12:17 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are incorrect.....There was 1, yes 1 player on the TLI team that this applies to, although he was a younger kid. 99% of that team is 2021. FACT.


Originally Posted by Anonymous



True...however does that TLI team still exist? Heard most of that team was going to Empire.
[/quote
98% not 99%
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 12:35 AM
They have 3 teams at this age. A team is a very good and could be considered solid B team and well coached. You get your moneys worth. B team is marginal. They had some success in weak tournaments but don't play or practice enough. C team is money grab. They will make a 4th team if the checks keep rolling in. But I guess thats every club. Make sure to visit the gift shop and save the date for annual the golf outing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 12:37 AM
This team is a solid A team. Not quite a AA. Will compete with and beat most A teams but struggles with the top tier.
Solid group of kids with a good group of parents. Only two players have not returned to tryouts over the last two years. Generally a happy group with even playing time.
coaching is good and very eager. You will see well above promised practices and play in many extra tournaments.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone comment on Outlaws black team? Competitive? Coaching? Are they a good group?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 01:13 AM
Outlaws coaches announced. 2021 Black is now "Select". Black was a very good team but I don't know what the intent is with the name change. Silver is the new Black. No Silver team coach listed. Is this just to create a C team but not call it a C team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 11:51 AM
legacy tryouts were last night. how many kids showed up? what was the talent like? how were tryouts run?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 12:33 PM
Igloo has over 200 kids right now for 2021 and 2022 at the fields
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 02:02 PM
There were about 65 2021 kids at Legacy. Gonna be 2 teams
talent was ok at best
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 02:07 PM
Tryout is a joke - 2021 100+ kids and two clip boards....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 02:17 PM
You must of been looking at both age groups. 2020 was there also. Tops 65 kids for the 2021 legacy group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 03:09 PM
Legacy 2020 group had 110 kids tryout I counted them. 2021 approx. 80. 2021 A team should be pretty good had a few 91 A kids tryout.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 03:14 PM
Are you talking about igloo or legacy[
quote=Anonymous]Tryout is a joke - 2021 100+ kids and two clip boards.... [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 03:19 PM
Legacy
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 03:27 PM
Igloo had 200+ kids there for 2021, and it seemed that most belonged there. There were over 30 kids trying out for attack and another 30 for defense. I was hesitant when the announced a 4 hour tryout, but I really was impressed at how well run they did it. It is worth trying out for to get a great clinic. The boys are being instructed while trying out. Never seen anything like it. Wish my son could have done it last year, but we were out of town. It seems that they will be able to field 2 good teams. I spoke to a dad who moved to the Avalanche team, and they were very happy with their progress for a first year program. His son is only trying out for them, and they left 91 to move to Avalanche.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 03:55 PM
Sound like a great PR guy for igloo are you one of the directors or a dad
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 04:16 PM
Now the number for 2021 has moved up to 200 plus. I talked to an Igloo coach and as of yesterday they had only 98. they dont take walk ons. Even if they did they had over 100 walk ons today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo had 200+ kids there for 2021, and it seemed that most belonged there. There were over 30 kids trying out for attack and another 30 for defense. I was hesitant when the announced a 4 hour tryout, but I really was impressed at how well run they did it. It is worth trying out for to get a great clinic. The boys are being instructed while trying out. Never seen anything like it. Wish my son could have done it last year, but we were out of town. It seems that they will be able to field 2 good teams. I spoke to a dad who moved to the Avalanche team, and they were very happy with their progress for a first year program. His son is only trying out for them, and they left 91 to move to Avalanche.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 04:32 PM
i would greatly appreciate any information on the icon lacrosse program at this age level please. how many teams will they field, what is the quality and style of coaching, what tournaments do they play in, and any other helpful information please. thank you very much

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 04:32 PM
Every kid on LI that is going in to the 7th grade and plays lax is at the tryouts...Its unprecedented....C'mon man

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo had 200+ kids there for 2021, and it seemed that most belonged there. There were over 30 kids trying out for attack and another 30 for defense. I was hesitant when the announced a 4 hour tryout, but I really was impressed at how well run they did it. It is worth trying out for to get a great clinic. The boys are being instructed while trying out. Never seen anything like it. Wish my son could have done it last year, but we were out of town. It seems that they will be able to field 2 good teams. I spoke to a dad who moved to the Avalanche team, and they were very happy with their progress for a first year program. His son is only trying out for them, and they left 91 to move to Avalanche.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 04:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now the number for 2021 has moved up to 200 plus. I talked to an Igloo coach and as of yesterday they had only 98. they dont take walk ons. Even if they did they had over 100 walk ons today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo had 200+ kids there for 2021, and it seemed that most belonged there. There were over 30 kids trying out for attack and another 30 for defense. I was hesitant when the announced a 4 hour tryout, but I really was impressed at how well run they did it. It is worth trying out for to get a great clinic. The boys are being instructed while trying out. Never seen anything like it. Wish my son could have done it last year, but we were out of town. It seems that they will be able to field 2 good teams. I spoke to a dad who moved to the Avalanche team, and they were very happy with their progress for a first year program. His son is only trying out for them, and they left 91 to move to Avalanche.


I counted just attack and Defense, and there were 60 boys there alone. I would say about the same number of mids, so maybe 120. They were taking walk ons, and had them wait for everyone else to sign in first. I would say between 2020 & 2021 there were 200+
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 04:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now the number for 2021 has moved up to 200 plus. I talked to an Igloo coach and as of yesterday they had only 98. they dont take walk ons. Even if they did they had over 100 walk ons today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo had 200+ kids there for 2021, and it seemed that most belonged there. There were over 30 kids trying out for attack and another 30 for defense. I was hesitant when the announced a 4 hour tryout, but I really was impressed at how well run they did it. It is worth trying out for to get a great clinic. The boys are being instructed while trying out. Never seen anything like it. Wish my son could have done it last year, but we were out of town. It seems that they will be able to field 2 good teams. I spoke to a dad who moved to the Avalanche team, and they were very happy with their progress for a first year program. His son is only trying out for them, and they left 91 to move to Avalanche.


I counted just attack and Defense, and there were 60 boys there alone. I would say about the same number of mids, so maybe 120. They were taking walk ons, and had them wait for everyone else to sign in first. I would say between 2020 & 2021 there were 200+


They no doubt take walk ons. Thet took a bunch of 32 kids at the 2024 2023 tryouts. It's jsut another grand in AA's pocket
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 05:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you talking about igloo or legacy[
quote=Anonymous]Tryout is a joke - 2021 100+ kids and two clip boards....
[/quote]

Igloo
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 05:19 PM
I am not an Icon parent but my sons team played the A team many times this year and in the past. Top team loads of talent. Although I know nothing about the coaches the team was very organized and you can tell they are well coached. My son has played against every top team and I place this team second in 2021 behind igloo. I know express beat them and most think 91 is better. Just my opinion. The second team I hear is a good B to b plus team. We have a friend that goes back every year but may not this year. The only negatives I know of or heard about is that they may not play or practice as much as other teams and some parents may be tough to get along with. But that could be with any team. They are worth the tryout if your son is a b plus or better player. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
i would greatly appreciate any information on the icon lacrosse program at this age level please. how many teams will they field, what is the quality and style of coaching, what tournaments do they play in, and any other helpful information please. thank you very much

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 08:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now the number for 2021 has moved up to 200 plus. I talked to an Igloo coach and as of yesterday they had only 98. they dont take walk ons. Even if they did they had over 100 walk ons today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo had 200+ kids there for 2021, and it seemed that most belonged there. There were over 30 kids trying out for attack and another 30 for defense. I was hesitant when the announced a 4 hour tryout, but I really was impressed at how well run they did it. It is worth trying out for to get a great clinic. The boys are being instructed while trying out. Never seen anything like it. Wish my son could have done it last year, but we were out of town. It seems that they will be able to field 2 good teams. I spoke to a dad who moved to the Avalanche team, and they were very happy with their progress for a first year program. His son is only trying out for them, and they left 91 to move to Avalanche.


I counted just attack and Defense, and there were 60 boys there alone. I would say about the same number of mids, so maybe 120. They were taking walk ons, and had them wait for everyone else to sign in first. I would say between 2020 & 2021 there were 200+


They no doubt take walk ons. Thet took a bunch of 32 kids at the 2024 2023 tryouts. It's jsut another grand in AA's pocket


Good for him. 8 hours for $100, can't beat that. And they are pretty open about what they are doing. Even better, people are really looking at the costs and are seeing that they sound more expensive, but are really the same as the others when you consider all costs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/26/15 08:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sound like a great PR guy for igloo are you one of the directors or a dad
Nope, actually a PAL dad and my kid had a blast. I didn't realize that there were 2 age groups, so maybe 100+ for 2021 is more accurate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/28/15 01:33 AM
what is a reasonable number of teams to try out for at this age group? 2? 3? obviously cant try out for them all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/29/15 02:00 AM
Tough call. Try out for any team he has an interest in if it fits your schedule and budget. Many 2021 rosters are already locked up so the more the better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/29/15 01:13 PM
Has express started making calls?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/29/15 01:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tough call. Try out for any team he has an interest in if it fits your schedule and budget. Many 2021 rosters are already locked up so the more the better.


I think that is the most important piece of information new families or fairly new, need to know. Years ago, we were very naive to think that a try out was open. If there are 6 spots for attack , shouldn't they go to the best ? In actuality, they may be looking at 1 attack, or maybe none.

I'd call ahead and ask to speak with coach or director. If you are told every spot is open, I'd think twice if this is an established team. You can spend a lot of time and money chasing a spot on an A team that was not available at all .
That said, I do think that there is a lot of pros in keeping an established team together and it does lead to success as chemistry in playing together is important and coach already knows his players strengths and weaknesses.

In certain organizations, B teams aren't a bad choice. Kids DO get pulled up to A and do have a shot, even if you have been told otherwise. I've seen this happen in Express, 91 and some smaller clubs too.

Try out season is not always easy- lots of emotions and uncertainty when trying to find a team that fits right. Good luck!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/29/15 03:18 PM
Yes, all 50 kids make the A team, $125.00 shooting clinic starts Monday
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/29/15 06:52 PM
Express emails are out. Which are the A & B teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/29/15 09:11 PM
good question. Did the coaches change this year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/29/15 09:51 PM
i have been told that there is a coach on the 2021 outlaws who's son plays on the team. what position does he play? has he been on the team in prior years? do other players see less playing time due to favoritism?

to be clear, i am not trying to badmouth anyone's child, i am just looking for information to help make a team choice for my own son. my question does not call for any comments about the player's skill level or whether he is on the right level team.

thank you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 12:12 AM
what was the talent like at the outlaws tryout today?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 12:43 AM
All the kids played well and the tryout was well run
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 01:30 AM
Who are the coaches of team 1, 2, 3 of Express?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 01:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i have been told that there is a coach on the 2021 outlaws who's son plays on the team. what position does he play? has he been on the team in prior years? do other players see less playing time due to favoritism?

to be clear, i am not trying to badmouth anyone's child, i am just looking for information to help make a team choice for my own son. my question does not call for any comments about the player's skill level or whether he is on the right level team.

thank you.
All of the 2021 coaches have kids on the team. AS a result you get a lot of extra practices. None of them abuse their position although those kids do seem to get yelled at more
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 02:00 AM
It seems to be a mistery
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 03:23 AM
thanks need to know same.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 11:22 AM
Express 1, 2 and 3 coaches please!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 04:58 PM
Is Team Karwoski 1, 2 or 3?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 06:30 PM
Karwoski is 2
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 07:00 PM
So is did Hughes move up to team 1?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 07:05 PM
I thought Highes was team 3?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 07:10 PM
So who is team 1
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 07:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So who is team 1


I am at a loss. how can anyone truly consider joining a team spending the money they ask for and not even know the coach of the team you are paying to be on. The coach is the most important piece. Are there that many people out there willing to spend over 3k and not know who there coach is just so you can say you play on express. That is absurd.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 07:57 PM
HOGAN TEAM 1
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 09:08 PM
Any one have any info on 2021 karwoski? Is he a good coach? Was he on another travel team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 09:15 PM
We are hesitant for this 2nd team on express. We know kids who made this team and only went to the 2nd of the two tryout dates, and barely touched the ball during the scrimmages. We don't think Express had a good turnout?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 09:33 PM
Turnout was fine at express. Lite first night w wolves no where to be found. Second tryout had wolves and much better talent.
About 70 kids about?
Was it igloo numbers, no. But there was a bunch of talent there second night.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 11:42 PM
Perhaps with payments pending someone from express could enlighten us
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/30/15 11:59 PM
To those that would question someone else's abilities you should take a closer look at your own sons abilities
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 01:53 AM
I am in no way questioning someone else's abilities. We went to more than 1 tryout, my son did great at 2 and had terrible nights at another. These tryouts are only snapshots of what a player is, anyone can have a stellar day as well as an off day. The points I mentioned were actually brought to my attention by the parents of the kids who only attended the 2nd day, and had a crummy night to boot. They were the ones questioning the pool of players for the team. I was hoping for some other opinions of people who were there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 09:04 AM
Great coach. He was a AA at Yale. He coached multiple games for 2022 and 2021 A teams last year. Kids loved him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 10:11 AM
He is a great coach. My son had him and really liked him.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any one have any info on 2021 karwoski? Is he a good coach? Was he on another travel team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 10:40 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great coach. He was a AA at Yale. He coached multiple games for 2022 and 2021 A teams last year. Kids loved him.


yes karwoski is a great coach.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 12:41 PM
Karwoski coached a bunch of 2022 games. He was excellent. Knows how to teach, boys loved him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 01:16 PM
i would pick Karwoski over the bigger named coaches any day. Great with kids , fully focused on the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 02:07 PM
How did Hughes get bumped to team 3?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 02:17 PM
Karwoski might be team 3
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 02:28 PM
I heard no team 3
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 03:00 PM
Jill Adler, one of the administrative personnel at Express confirmed Karwoski is the Express 2nd team. We know there have been comments regarding express' "decline". We are happy our son will be playing lacrosse this year and look forward to the great coaching and motivation we hear Karwoski has to offer. Not every kid and every team has to be AA or A to have a great lacrosse experience. We are looking to improve and have fun.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 03:20 PM
Where did Jim Hughes go? is he still with organization?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 03:26 PM
I totally agree. We commited to Karwoski 2021 and also look forward to a great experience. He has a very good reputation. The purpose of playing on any team is to look at where your kid is at the start of the season and then where he has grown at the end.
My son has been on teams that looked good from the start and peaked early and never really developed beyond certain point.
I'm not looking for a igloo experience in terms of dominance, I am looking for good coaching, constructive practices that help develop my son, good parents and an overall fun experience for my son.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 05:09 PM
Same here. I just signed up my son for Karwoski's team. I echo everything you just said.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 05:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I totally agree. We commited to Karwoski 2021 and also look forward to a great experience. He has a very good reputation. The purpose of playing on any team is to look at where your kid is at the start of the season and then where he has grown at the end.
My son has been on teams that looked good from the start and peaked early and never really developed beyond certain point.
I'm not looking for a igloo experience in terms of dominance, I am looking for good coaching, constructive practices that help develop my son, good parents and an overall fun experience for my son.

If Igloo is dominating that's because they picked the better players. They had 2, four hour tryouts to monitor the kids. They practice all year round and the kids learn. What dies Igloo have to do with you joining express? Good for you, no need to bring other teams into your view of lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 08:17 PM
It was a compliment to igloo not an insult. But thanks for your 2 cents. [lacrosse]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 10:00 PM
You gotta love the d-bags, where would we be without their clarification!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 10:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I totally agree. We commited to Karwoski 2021 and also look forward to a great experience. He has a very good reputation. The purpose of playing on any team is to look at where your kid is at the start of the season and then where he has grown at the end.
My son has been on teams that looked good from the start and peaked early and never really developed beyond certain point.
I'm not looking for a igloo experience in terms of dominance, I am looking for good coaching, constructive practices that help develop my son, good parents and an overall fun experience for my son.

If Igloo is dominating that's because they picked the better players. They had 2, four hour tryouts to monitor the kids. They practice all year round and the kids learn. What dies Igloo have to do with you joining express? Good for you, no need to bring other teams into your view of lacrosse.


I think you are taking this personally- the guy was just saying that he is okay with a good experience, and that does not necessarily mean winning every game or tourney. Lighten up...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 10:29 PM
Listen I'm sorry if your kids just play for fun my kid plays to win. You teach yours the way you want and I will do the same. Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 10:50 PM
This was obviously not posted by an Igloo parent.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen I'm sorry if your kids just play for fun my kid plays to win. You teach yours the way you want and I will do the same. Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 11:00 PM
dont bother saying you sorry for being a [lacrosse] bag with a superiority complex, when you obviously are not. Our kids want to and play to win also, just stating wining every game and being on the best of the best AA team isn't the end all to lacrosse for everyone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 11:17 PM
On my neighbors email from express team 1 listed coach k as assistant coach.
Maybe they plan on practicing together ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 11:47 PM
anyone hear about outlaws results from second tryout? anyone get a call/email?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 08/31/15 11:52 PM
So winning is all that matters? Don't care if their kid is happy or having fun?
Sure winning can be fun, but it doesn't necessarily make the experience fun. Especially when there are parents like you who probably make your kid nervous to make mistakes. I'd hate to be your kid in the car after a loss. Whose the DB now?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/01/15 01:33 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So winning is all that matters? Don't care if their kid is happy or having fun?
Sure winning can be fun, but it doesn't necessarily make the experience fun. Especially when there are parents like you who probably make your kid nervous to make mistakes. I'd hate to be your kid in the car after a loss. Whose the DB now?


Agreed. Amazing how angry parents get over a stupid summer team. Same parents who stand with their toes on the sidelines in their cutoff shirts screaming at their kid to compensate for whatever their own shortcomings are. I'm pretty sure 7th grade lacrosse doesn't define who you are and getting angry in defense of some youth lax program is just pathetic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/01/15 04:08 PM
If it is not an Igloo parent it sure sounds like one. I know many Igloo parents who feel this way and say it all the time. I have heard worse things than this from them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This was obviously not posted by an Igloo parent.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen I'm sorry if your kids just play for fun my kid plays to win. You teach yours the way you want and I will do the same. Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/01/15 10:56 PM
Actually sounds Express driven...

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If it is not an Igloo parent it sure sounds like one. I know many Igloo parents who feel this way and say it all the time. I have heard worse things than this from them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This was obviously not posted by an Igloo parent.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen I'm sorry if your kids just play for fun my kid plays to win. You teach yours the way you want and I will do the same. Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/01/15 11:27 PM
Absolutely true! Entire team walked.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/01/15 11:40 PM
Who walked
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/02/15 01:38 AM
Don't know who the post is talking about but they may mean the entire or most of the Express B team walked. Sounds like they may get it right with the new coach if these post are for real that he is liked. Are there any other teams other than Express B that all or most of the kids did not return?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who walked
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/02/15 04:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't know who the post is talking about but they may mean the entire or most of the Express B team walked. Sounds like they may get it right with the new coach if these post are for real that he is liked. Are there any other teams other than Express B that all or most of the kids did not return?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who walked

TLI A team from last year is done.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/02/15 09:59 AM
The Rising Sons have lost their entire 2021 team. From what I heard a team full of parents that are totally nuts and just couldn't stay together, too many GIANT egos don't mix well. Sad really
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/02/15 11:33 AM
Yeah, not the case at all!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/02/15 12:28 PM
The whole TLI 2021 or (u13)as they call it has fallen apart. They are at the point of taking whoever showed for the tryouts , basically as a walk - on !
Saw a huge absorption of those players scattered as a group throughout the island at a few tryouts.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't know who the post is talking about but they may mean the entire or most of the Express B team walked. Sounds like they may get it right with the new coach if these post are for real that he is liked. Are there any other teams other than Express B that all or most of the kids did not return?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who walked

TLI A team from last year is done.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/02/15 12:58 PM
Why did express B walk? And is that why people saying tryout was sparse with so so players?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/02/15 01:51 PM
i would appreciate more information on team long island. i am unfamiliar with the organization, and would like more info about why the A team fell apart. i just got an email from them inviting my son to try out, and the price looks reasonable. i will certainly do my due diligence by reaching out to the director of the organization about whether the price includes everything though. who is coaching the TLI A team this year? is there any information anyone can tell me about that coach? exactly what has been their problems? thank you for any helpful information anyone can give me here.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/02/15 02:21 PM
Invites for that team were sent out early last week , looks like they are scrambling to form a team. Some have left because they have outgrowned the organization and many left to play at better clubs who play in competitive tournaments against the best competition out there , without this talent left it will not be an A caliber team which took numerous years to build , I know kids who were invited from this tryout that were b moderate players and have turned down that spot, so if your good with the cost and starting from scratch and new to the travel circuit then this would be a good fit, just beware of what your stepping into without knowing what players have signed up.




quote=Anonymous]i would appreciate more information on team long island. i am unfamiliar with the organization, and would like more info about why the A team fell apart. i just got an email from them inviting my son to try out, and the price looks reasonable. i will certainly do my due diligence by reaching out to the director of the organization about whether the price includes everything though. who is coaching the TLI A team this year? is there any information anyone can tell me about that coach? exactly what has been their problems? thank you for any helpful information anyone can give me here. [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/02/15 03:27 PM
We played against this team and I watched them at tournaments thru the years. From what I am hearing, It will not be the same team it has been for the past several years. This team was a very competitive team who could play with anyone out there. Unfortunately, the organization has not been able to keep this group together and this "try-out season" the players are migrating elsewhere. Wherever they land, they will positively impact their organization and team.
With that said, for the $, TLI is a good choice but this age group is in a re-building phase.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
i would appreciate more information on team long island. i am unfamiliar with the organization, and would like more info about why the A team fell apart. i just got an email from them inviting my son to try out, and the price looks reasonable. i will certainly do my due diligence by reaching out to the director of the organization about whether the price includes everything though. who is coaching the TLI A team this year? is there any information anyone can tell me about that coach? exactly what has been their problems? thank you for any helpful information anyone can give me here.
In regards to 2021 age group.

Thanks to all that have been to our tryouts. We have over 100 kids signed up for the 2021 age group. The talent has been amazing. E Mails are currently going out. Your child will be assigned to one of our two teams or asked to come back. We have had a number of parents ask if we would consider a third team.

We have decided to go ahead with a third team, but we will do it a little different than the Select and Black. It will be a B team, and designed to be very developmental. Here's how it will run.

Fall: 6 Training sessions- Spring: 6 Training Sessions
Summer: 10 Practices along with 4 Tournaments
Coaches in Fall and spring will be High school coaches. Summer will be TBA.
Cost $1800
With all this talent, we expect to get these kids to the next level.

All are still invited to our 3rd try out, as we still have some spots available on Select/Black.

Thanks
LI Outlaws
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/02/15 05:49 PM
thank you very much for the information. can you or anyone else tell me about the coaches for 2021? what is their style of coaching? do they care about the kids, or do they care about winning more than caring about the kids? what is the quality of the instruction given to the kids?

thanks again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/02/15 06:35 PM
Both Outlaw 2021 teams have close to 100% player return rate to tryouts the following year. The fact the kids all want to go back year after year should indicate a good lacrosse experience.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/02/15 07:40 PM
I thought that the 2021 Outlaw top team lost at least two of their kids to Garden City town team, not true?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/02/15 07:41 PM
This was a question that pertained to TEam Long Island, not Outlaws. Does anyone have any information to answer the question? THank you.

thank you very much for the information. can you or anyone else tell me about the coaches for 2021? what is their style of coaching? do they care about the kids, or do they care about winning more than caring about the kids? what is the quality of the instruction given to the kids?

thanks again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/02/15 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought that the 2021 Outlaw top team lost at least two of their kids to Garden City town team, not true?


Yes. 2 kids left to play town.
2 kids replaced by other kids at tryouts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/02/15 08:24 PM
The two kids did come to tryouts but went to their town A team. Like the post said most of the kids from both teams returned to tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought that the 2021 Outlaw top team lost at least two of their kids to Garden City town team, not true?


Yes. 2 kids left to play town.
2 kids replaced by other kids at tryouts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/03/15 12:18 AM
Why did express B walk?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/03/15 01:13 AM
Anyone get notification on ICON invitations?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/03/15 01:47 PM
The turnover was more than once. There was one team from September to December. after that the team never had the same kids for two tournaments. not stable. Many reasons to leave. Maybe a lesson was learned and this team could get back on track. The coach from what is said on here seems to be good. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why did express B walk?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/03/15 03:22 PM
Yes, late yesterday afternoon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/03/15 05:28 PM
The 2014 express Cuda B team was by far a better team then they ever had in that age group including their wolverine team , last season it folded because of express Bait and switch to appease the snobby wolverine parents who were upset the season before for being slapped around every time they played them. Ridiculously over priced organization and full of tremendous politics on the expense of better players .


Originally Posted by Anonymous
The turnover was more than once. There was one team from September to December. after that the team never had the same kids for two tournaments. not stable. Many reasons to leave. Maybe a lesson was learned and this team could get back on track. The coach from what is said on here seems to be good. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why did express B walk?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/03/15 05:46 PM
What? Express B was as good as Express A. What are u smoking? They took a couple of kids last year that didn't belong from B team because the parents complained. Besides that express A season was great. A lot of changes for Express A team this year. No favors.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/03/15 05:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2014 express Cuda B team was by far a better team then they ever had in that age group including their wolverine team , last season it folded because of express Bait and switch to appease the snobby wolverine parents who were upset the season before for being slapped around every time they played them. Ridiculously over priced organization and full of tremendous politics on the expense of better players .


Originally Posted by Anonymous
The turnover was more than once. There was one team from September to December. after that the team never had the same kids for two tournaments. not stable. Many reasons to leave. Maybe a lesson was learned and this team could get back on track. The coach from what is said on here seems to be good. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why did express B walk?

This team in '14 spring season was a revolving door. Always looking for the next best thing. That team was loyal to nobody.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/03/15 05:51 PM
2014 Cuda B TEAM 2014, loss every time to Wolverines, Both teams had idiot parents, what team doesn't
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/03/15 05:59 PM
Where did that express wolverines goalie end up?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/03/15 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What? Express B was as good as Express A. What are u smoking? They took a couple of kids last year that didn't belong from B team because the parents complained. Besides that express A season was great. A lot of changes for Express A team this year. No favors.

For a team that has been around for as long as the wolverines it's a joke. The head coach has had them since the 2nd grade and has been smacked around by numerous teams , club and town. I know a pickup team beat them so bad once the teams parents went nuts. You're getting into dangerous territory taking a shot at the kids be careful you are going to start something you don't rally want. Those boys didn't come from the right town or have the right name.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/03/15 08:12 PM
So much could be said about Express but it is not worth it. The low numbers at tryouts should tell you all you need to know. Most A and AA teams had over 100 kids tryout. Last year Express had 3 teams and large rosters so that would equal at least 70 Express players last year. Only 65 at tryouts this year including new kids tells the story.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What? Express B was as good as Express A. What are u smoking? They took a couple of kids last year that didn't belong from B team because the parents complained. Besides that express A season was great. A lot of changes for Express A team this year. No favors.

For a team that has been around for as long as the wolverines it's a joke. The head coach has had them since the 2nd grade and has been smacked around by numerous teams , club and town. I know a pickup team beat them so bad once the teams parents went nuts. You're getting into dangerous territory taking a shot at the kids be careful you are going to start something you don't rally want. Those boys didn't come from the right town or have the right name.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/03/15 09:16 PM
Agreed. The level of talent at the other club tryouts was superior. No favors? LMAO. The chosen few will have their way, and it will be run the way it is always run with private lessons that will burn your pockets. Add-ons add-ons add-ons!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So much could be said about Express but it is not worth it. The low numbers at tryouts should tell you all you need to know. Most A and AA teams had over 100 kids tryout. Last year Express had 3 teams and large rosters so that would equal at least 70 Express players last year. Only 65 at tryouts this year including new kids tells the story.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What? Express B was as good as Express A. What are u smoking? They took a couple of kids last year that didn't belong from B team because the parents complained. Besides that express A season was great. A lot of changes for Express A team this year. No favors.

For a team that has been around for as long as the wolverines it's a joke. The head coach has had them since the 2nd grade and has been smacked around by numerous teams , club and town. I know a pickup team beat them so bad once the teams parents went nuts. You're getting into dangerous territory taking a shot at the kids be careful you are going to start something you don't rally want. Those boys didn't come from the right town or have the right name.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/03/15 09:42 PM
I think the moral of the story was they may have lost but by one or two means wolverines won by a close margin to a supposed B team . That doesn't say much about the chosen ones . On top of that they played 91 heat and lost by a closer margin then the wolverines loss to heat.
And yes wolverine parents were out of control on the fact of embarrassment.
So maybe it's you smoking the pipe, for a team that was underated they sure created alot of turbalance amongst the 2021 wolves .

quote=Anonymous]2014 Cuda B TEAM 2014, loss every time to Wolverines, Both teams had idiot parents, what team doesn't [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/03/15 11:44 PM
Many Cudas came back to Express for the 2014/15 season but almost all quit by December 2014. Express brought in more kids and the team was a B- team by Jan. 2015. All or most of those kids appear to have left too. It is true with at least 70 Express kids on all three teams last year Express having only 65 kids at tryouts this year in total means a lot of kids did not return. That is scary. I hope all other clubs take notice the lacrosse consumer is not as dumb as they think and if you don't deliver a good product they will not come back. If it could happen to Express it can happen to anyone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/04/15 12:23 AM
Express wolves had a great 2015 season. I know the kids and parents (I am one) had a great experience and it ended on a high note. Great coaches, some of the best, and the team will be solid this fall and very strong next summer. Some people who know very little just seem to love to try and undermine the perception of team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/04/15 12:00 PM
I do not think that people knowing very little would try to undermine the perception of your team , the point of discussion in regards to what happened to express B which was nothing more then fact on the quick entrance and exit of the whole team. How people take the criticism is another story !Just as certain kids can handle coaching criticism better then others. If a team was mish moshed together and labeled with the express brand name on their jerseys during 1 season and competed and embarrassed a team who has been together for a long time ,you would say that there's room for improvement on the organizations policy of attracting and placing the best kids on a team. Unfortunate that everyone knows that Express only caters to the ones who [lacrosse] the most and pay the most . We see it in MC smile as he takes your money. People have caught on and went elsewhere , and it seems that was the fact with Express B players last season as many went to 91 teams and igloo . How great was an organization last season when wolves top players were migrating over to Legacy after their season of trying to hold top team status while Barracuda team hindered in there shadows? Unfortunate that Legacy couldn't hold onto those Wolve key players because of the political demands of those parent to MC , catholic High school seems to have a track record with good players and express , so again parent whining actually made MC step up and coach this team. Good luck to TEAM 1 as they should now be able to compete after years of being bamboozled with coaching and politics. That's actually 91's problem now with the entry of one of those coaches .


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express wolves had a great 2015 season. I know the kids and parents (I am one) had a great experience and it ended on a high note. Great coaches, some of the best, and the team will be solid this fall and very strong next summer. Some people who know very little just seem to love to try and undermine the perception of team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/04/15 12:58 PM
WHile no an Express parent I have watched the Wolves, Cuda thing . First off, the Wolves team used to only play their top players, good kids never got in and since went to other A teams. Thats why at times the Wolves had a very short bench. A few years ago you started hearing about the CUdas, their coach was telling people that they where the A team. Having played them both I can tell you that it simply was not true. While that CUda team had a few players that should have been on the A team as a hole they where not as good. It was irking to constantly hear that team stomp their feet like toddlers and demand they where the A team. Sorry, you where never as good as the Wolves.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/04/15 01:29 PM
Any changes over at Igloo?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/04/15 01:42 PM
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/04/15 02:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any changes over at Igloo?


They went to a darker shade of Blue
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/04/15 03:15 PM
is there anyone who can give me information about the LI Lax Warriors organization and 2021 team? i have never heard of them before. who is the coach? how well/poorly is the organization run? what tournaments do they play in? at what level do they play- a b c x? how many teams will they have? any and all info would be great. thank you.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/04/15 04:10 PM
Interesting comment but not honest. Their 2023 team is top 2 in the age group. Younger than that is irrelevant at this point. 2021 is arguably top 3 in the region. Not sure where 2022 stacks up. But agree, this will be an important and fun year for all 2021 teams.


]Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year. [/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/04/15 06:20 PM
We're relatively new to the Lacrosse world so excuse my ignorance. We signed our son up for Express 2021 B. Can someone explain in laymans terms and without malice what happened to Express last year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/04/15 08:22 PM
Heard the 2023 team split up this year. Not sure if that is true but lost top players at the very least. 2022 team is a B plus team and having many issues too. 2021 top 3 in the region??? Only Express parents would agree with you on that but most others would disagree with you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interesting comment but not honest. Their 2023 team is top 2 in the age group. Younger than that is irrelevant at this point. 2021 is arguably top 3 in the region. Not sure where 2022 stacks up. But agree, this will be an important and fun year for all 2021 teams.


]Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/04/15 10:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

This has to be a joke ? Pot stir at its best., what teams alone here in long island have they beat ? What about in Maryland ? How about if they are top 3 in region then why are they not lined up to play in Denver ??


quote=Anonymous]Interesting comment but not honest. Their 2023 team is top 2 in the age group. Younger than that is irrelevant at this point. 2021 is arguably top 3 in the region. Not sure where 2022 stacks up. But agree, this will be an important and fun year for all 2021 teams.


]Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
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is it really necessary to post this three times?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/05/15 03:35 AM
2021 wolves beat everyone they played in Long Island and the tri-state region except 91 and Igloo. They had 2 bad games early in Maryland but besides that beat everyone they played. Also won 4 tournaments along the way. But have fun trying to yell and scream about their decline if it makes you happy.


This has to be a joke ? Pot stir at its best., what teams alone here in long island have they beat ? What about in Maryland ? How about if they are top 3 in region then why are they not lined up to play in Denver ??


quote=Anonymous]Interesting comment but not honest. Their 2023 team is top 2 in the age group. Younger than that is irrelevant at this point. 2021 is arguably top 3 in the region. Not sure where 2022 stacks up. But agree, this will be an important and fun year for all 2021 teams.


]Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year. [/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express is on the decline. It started at this age group. Express always had top teams and starting with 2021 and younger the teams get weaker. There are no AA teams for Express from 2021 and younger. Express Wolves can't competr with the reputation and success of Express older teams. The best proof of Express decline was shown on the tryouts thread on BOTC where the Express thread had less then one thousand views. They took that tread down but many teams had more views than Express. So it was no Surprise that they had low tryout numbers. As for the 2021 B team it appears everyone made it and if anyone was cut it was not many. This will mean a weaker A team who was already having trouble last year beating teams that in the past they crushed. I hope it works out for them but it seems the word is out and people are keeping away from this team. This is a big year for Express. It can't be business as usual. They have to play all the kids on both teams and keep the roster sizes low and not add players as the year goes on. I hope they do the right thing this year.
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/05/15 11:31 AM
It's amazing that people will play and pay to be on a third team instead of someone's A team. The A team gets all the attention. The grass is not always greener
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/05/15 08:24 PM
Is the top team in this age group the Igloo's ? 91 ? Express ? Icon ? Why not just got them all on the field together and figure it out
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/06/15 02:34 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is the top team in this age group the Igloo's ? 91 ? Express ? Icon ? Why not just got them all on the field together and figure it out
can't, quest is Denver, not going to see this group play each other a whole lot.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/06/15 12:26 PM
Are Igloo 2021 tryout results out yet? How are parents notified?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/06/15 03:08 PM
For those who feel you who think your kid must be on the best team read this article. There is so much research out there that teaches us that being on the best team is not good for developing young players. This article is one of many but it does not even get into how kids sit on the bench or on the grass at practice on these best teams. Top players get hurt in development on top teams too. They are not challenged enough. I guess that is why we are now seeing these top teams on Long Island cutting kids who have been with the program for years and replacing them with kids that were developed at other much weaker programs. Sad thing is many of these kids that have been cut from the top teams can't make another " A" team and land on a "B" team. In any event this is an interesting read.

by Trevor Tierney NCAA Assistant Coach University of Denver
THE "BEST TEAM" MAY NOT BE WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR KIDS

“And why do we fall, Bruce? So we can learn to pick ourselves up.” - Batman Begins

Don’t get me wrong here. I love all of the players, parents and families that I get to work with in sports. I would not want to be doing anything else with my life! But lately, I have been bewildered by a phenomena that seems to be growing in youth athletics. There is a constant search amongst parents and players to be on the “best team” that wins the most games and tournaments. It is no longer enough for our children to play on a local youth or high school team and enjoy the experience of playing sports. Furthermore, it is no longer even enough for our children to play on a good club travel team that plays well together, is competitive with other great teams from around the country and has top-notch coaching. Rather, there is a “grass is greener” mentality amongst parents and young athletes who are on the constant lookout for the absolute greatest team to be a part of.

There are a lot of factors driving all of this. It is partly due to the parent’s misconception that the better their child’s team, the better their chances for recruitment and success down the road (by the way, college coaches do not even know the scores of the high school games that they are scouting—they only notice who is 6’4”, 225 and runs like a gazelle in the Serengeti). I believe that this mentality runs deeper than that though and we have simply lost touch of what sports are all about. You know when you watch the people on a reality show like Honey Boo Boo or Swamp People and you say, “man…those people are nuts!”? Well, I hate to tell you, that is all of us in sports right now! We are those crazy people. And for the past few years, this perception of making sure our children win all the time and at all costs has become utterly mind-boggling. Every single game in sports, one team wins and one team loses. That’s just the way it works. It is completely narcissistic for us to think that we ourselves (or our child) should never lose. What fun would sports be if we knew that we were going to win every time anyway?

Every great athlete and coach that I know has had their fair share of ups and downs. Even though my claim to lacrosse fame is that I won two NCAA National Championships, a MLL Championship and a FIL World Championship with Team USA, I also got my butt kicked a whole lot along the way! My youth teams were disgraceful, my high school team had some serious rough patches, I can’t even count how many goals Syracuse scored on me at Princeton over the years and I was on the only USA team that lost in the World Championships since 1978 for goodness sake! Even Michael Jordan (who I apologize for even mentioning in the same paragraph as my athletic career) admitted in a commercial, “I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.” The point is, that no matter what an athlete does in their career, they will have some wins and they will have some losses. Trying to control that is not going to change anything. Furthermore, there is actually something about the pursuit of always winning that is detrimental to our children’s development as athletes and as people.

As I have pondered this mindset that we are witnessing in youth sports for the past few years, I knew something was wrong. I just didn’t know how to explain it, other than sounding like a grumpy old curmudgeon. The fact is though, there is scientific evidence that shows that we should actually want our children to lose! Again, as I have written time and again, I am not saying that athletes should not care about trying to win and just act like it does not matter. And I am certainly not an advocate for the “everyone gets a trophy” mentality. Our young athletes should care deeply about trying to win and be their best. And when they go into competition and want nothing more than to win that game, it will be absolutely fantastic for them when they lose! Before you think I have been hit in the head with too many lacrosse balls (which is completely factual), let me explain further.

In the past month, I have been fortunate enough to study under one of our country’s leading researchers on human resilience at Harvard, Dr. Shelly Carson. As soon as I sat in our first lecture, the lightbulb flashed on! I started to realize that when we want our child to play on the most dominant team, we are completely missing the boat on how sports build resilience for young men and women. This is not just me blabbing about it either. There is decades of research being compiled by people much smarter than me (surprising I know) that explains how we all develop resilience and how this leads to overall happiness, well-being and success. And isn’t that what we really want for our children?

I am starting to understand how sports are actually the perfect set up for resilience training as losses are very stressful and a challenging adversity for young athletes to face. From this perspective, you realize that no one is going to die, get seriously injured, get cancer, lose a family member, get dumped by their girlfriend (and if so, good riddance I say), lose their home, get thrown in jail, fail out of school, or face anything truly tragic from losing a game. And while I might be sounding trite here, the sad fact is that all of us will face one or several of these things at some point in our life. Nobody’s existence on this earth is perfect. We all encounter some serious adversity whether we like it or not. With that being the case, don’t we want our kids to learn how to deal with it in a skillful manner?

In the field of psychology, resiliency has been defined by Luthar (2000) as, “the ability to recover from or adjust easily to misfortune or change . . . a positive adaptation within the context of significant adversity,” (as cited in Carson lecture, 2014). So, not only do the skills of resiliency allow people to overcome and recover from tragic experiences in their lives, but resilient people also flourish, grow and experience tremendous well-being and success in their lives. And that is exactly what we want for our children. I will take that over any win, any tournament championship and any trophy. The best aspect of athletics, in my mind, is that it teaches us resiliency, the ability to endure, overcome and find greatness in our lives. As coaches and parents, all we have to do is be positive and supportive of our children no matter if they win or lose. We just have to be there for them as they learn to get back up and keep moving on with their heads held high. That is how our youth can learn to deal with life on life’s terms and develop as strong individuals. What a great gift that is to bring our children and I cannot think of a more powerful way to do it than through athletics!

There are a lot of ways in which resiliency can be taught through sports, which I will go into some more detail down the road. For right now, I will pass along that one of the most effective ways in handling a stressor is utilizing "problem-focused coping", which means taking an active approach towards finding a solution. In summation, I will pass along what I tell my players and parents on our Denver Elite lacrosse teams. Instead of finding a better team to play on, find a way to make your team better. This is how you can truly learn to win something of lasting value through the sports.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/06/15 11:41 PM
It's my fourth kid best kids on top teams go D1. Take your loser kid bs some place else
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/07/15 12:14 AM
I don't think you understand the article. It is hard to understand what you are trying to say. I don't think the meaning of the article is best players on top teams won't play D1. Try to read it again. I'm sure top players on top teams do play D1 but if they played for the second or third or even fifth best team would they have developed more and played for a better D1 school? What about the bottom players on top teams? Seems they are getting cut and having trouble finding a team. The top 2021 Long Island team wins most games by five to ten goals. It is not changing. If the 8th best team on Long Island played in the B tournaments they would win all games by 5 to 10 goals too. We would all aggree winning games by a lot would teach the kids nothing and they would never loose and never have to pick up and learn from a loss. Same thing happens when the best team destroys everyone. The kids on the team get nothing from that. Very interesting article and makes you think is it better to be on a dream team that is undefeated in most tournaments or a top team who plays close games in the A tournaments. Seems the science points to keeping away from the top team and playing on the second or even fifth best team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's my fourth kid best kids on top teams go D1. Take your loser kid bs some place else
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/07/15 12:21 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's my fourth kid best kids on top teams go D1. Take your loser kid bs some place else


Missing the point genius. They'll maybe go D1 but be failures at life and probably end up coaching summer teams and running clinics for the rest of their lives because they never learned really how to achieve in life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/07/15 02:10 AM
I'm a 2021 travel coach. The parents of my team appreciate the fact we challenge ourselves against superior competition. We still get some of those late-afternoon championship photos when we play well, but that's because we take our losses and learn from them most of the year.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/07/15 04:54 PM
OMG, work ethic carries over to anything you want
To do in life, my kid is on top team, but not on top line,
So he known if he wants to play more next summer he has to work hard.
We been out ever day shooting. I other three are doing very well, sorry just accept your
Kid is not a top kid, and stop bashing the kids that work hard.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/07/15 05:17 PM
There is a history of Long Islands top 2021 team players leaving the organization or getting cut and only being able to find a spot on a B team. This could be a combination of not playing many close games over the years and those kids not getting a lot of playing time. Either one alone would stop kids from getting better but both together is deadly to a kids development. This team chooses to keep playing and destroying 2021 teams to advance the reputation of the organization at the expense of the kids. They can easily play up against 2020 Legacy and Crush and challenge these kids but instead travel long distances to play teams they know they will beat. Parents on any team should determan if their kid has developed like they should on the same team over the year or years. If not it may be time for a change.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/07/15 06:21 PM
If your kid is not on the top line he is not a top player. Almost any kid who plays on the top five teams can make this team as a back up. Hope it works better for you than others who went through this program.

quote=Anonymous]OMG, work ethic carries over to anything you want
To do in life, my kid is on top team, but not on top line,
So he known if he wants to play more next summer he has to work hard.
We been out ever day shooting. I other three are doing very well, sorry just accept your
Kid is not a top kid, and stop bashing the kids that work hard.
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/07/15 09:37 PM
Are you joking dad crush or legacy 2020 would destroy your 2021 team. Not only that but some of your kids might not want to play lax anymore when you are peeling them and carrying them off the field. You might compete at 2021 but playing a year up is a different animal at this age puberty has hit and kids don't play nice anymore.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/07/15 09:52 PM
2021 igloo had trouble with 2020 Vipers. They had trouble with other 2020 B teams too. They should play up. They may not win them all but will be challenged. Crush did it and got better. Igloo won't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you joking dad crush or legacy 2020 would destroy your 2021 team. Not only that but some of your kids might not want to play lax anymore when you are peeling them and carrying them off the field. You might compete at 2021 but playing a year up is a different animal at this age puberty has hit and kids don't play nice anymore.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/07/15 10:55 PM
Add legacy 2021 to the mix of top 5.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/07/15 11:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Add legacy 2021 to the mix of top 5.

Based on what? Sounds to me all the teams have improved so unless you have played the top the top you stay where you are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/07/15 11:43 PM
Just what was said have no idea if it is true but heard Team Long Island and Legacy lost a lot of players. Could anyone confirm this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Add legacy 2021 to the mix of top 5.

Based on what? Sounds to me all the teams have improved so unless you have played the top the top you stay where you are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/07/15 11:44 PM
Other than Igloo 2021, what other 2021 teams played 2020 teams this past summer. 91, Express, icon, Legacy????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/07/15 11:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you joking dad crush or legacy 2020 would destroy your 2021 team. Not only that but some of your kids might not want to play lax anymore when you are peeling them and carrying them off the field. You might compete at 2021 but playing a year up is a different animal at this age puberty has hit and kids don't play nice anymore.


Do you ever read back what you write? Defending your middle school age kid's summer lax team like it's the most important thing in the world. So juvenile and outright asinine. Making up for your own shortcomings through your kid?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 12:33 AM
I hate to drag these teams into this conversation but 91 and Outlaws did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Other than Igloo 2021, what other 2021 teams played 2020 teams this past summer. 91, Express, icon, Legacy????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 12:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I hate to drag these teams into this conversation but 91 and Outlaws did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Other than Igloo 2021, what other 2021 teams played 2020 teams this past summer. 91, Express, icon, Legacy????



Any legitimate 2021 team that played igloo "black ice" this past summer played up because "black ice" had young men who had completed 7th grade playing in 6th grade tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 01:02 AM
Lucky Legacy makes top 10, lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 03:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Add legacy 2021 to the mix of top 5.


Your kidding right ? They 1st 8 of their top 10 players to ninet one orange and igloo avalanche. Lucky if that Blue knights team wins a few games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 10:45 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I hate to drag these teams into this conversation but 91 and Outlaws did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Other than Igloo 2021, what other 2021 teams played 2020 teams this past summer. 91, Express, icon, Legacy????



Any legitimate 2021 team that played igloo "black ice" this past summer played up because "black ice" had young men who had completed 7th grade playing in 6th grade tournaments.


O PLEASE
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 12:00 PM
Admit what everybody already knows you have kids on that 7th grade igloo team that are in 8th grade. It is a fact!! Playing against younger kids. I'm not impressed by that!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 12:26 PM
One 8th grade kid left this year to play in the proper grade another went to Avalanche. They are still looking to replace the one that left. He was a big part of the team. The team will take a step back with that one loss.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Admit what everybody already knows you have kids on that 7th grade igloo team that are in 8th grade. It is a fact!! Playing against younger kids. I'm not impressed by that!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 12:40 PM
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 12:47 PM
Admit what everybody else knows... Your rant on this board is a waste of time. Spend your time and efforts writing to the U.S. Lacrosse board. Maybe that will make a difference. This is just a waste of everyone's time. Every single team has a degree of older boys /hold backs etc. you want to make a change go where it matters.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 01:27 PM
Why are people saying 2021 teams should "play up"?

First, many did in Hogan's U13A divisions this past year, probably due to the fact that most top teams have kids that don't mean the 9/1 cutoff. Or other U13 divisions. And did well.

Second, there were a ton of close games among 2021 teams this year. There seem to be 10-15 AA teams that can all give each other a good game. 2021 seems fortunate that way.

Third, playing up sounds good until someone gets hurt or a concussion. At the 2021 level, many of the kids are still . . . kids. While at 2020, many kids have hit puberty.

Fourth, be careful what you wish for. Isn't next June when all the Md private school kids decide to reclass and repeat 8th grade? I think it's ridiculous for a kid to finish 8th grade next Spring and drop down to 2021 - and tournaments should NOT allow - but you know some teams will do it. This Fall and next Spring may be the last time you get to play against teams without holdbacks (although you'll still play teams with a lot of summer bdays). Enjoy it while you can.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 01:27 PM
Wow, is that true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 01:32 PM
AA should be proud....How will they go to Denver this year..Leave those kids behind???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 05:14 PM
If any kid on any team is not playing half the games playing time or more that kid is not a top player and probably does not belong on the team. The only reason why a parent would keep a kid on a top team if the kid is playing less than half the game is for parent ego. The kids that sit on the bench during the game will sit on the grass during practice. Directors of programs love kids that are willing to sit on the bench. Those kids are harder to find than good players. They pay the full fee to sit on the bench and accept it. Although better kids tryout it is difficult to take that better player because directors don't want to risk the new kid not being happy and leave the next year or cause trouble. So they keep the kid who is willing to sit on the bench and say nothing about it. After all, those bench players never play meaningful minutes on top teams anyway so the outcome of games won't be changed by these bench players. So the coach keeps the kids who accept this role and are happy with it rather than taking a better new player who may leave the next year or cause trouble during the year. Those parents who allow a kid to sit on the bench for more than half the game on a top team and think that good for development are usually the parents that think the team a kid plays for matters when colleges scout players. Again it does not matter which team a kid plays for if he is a top player he will be discovered. Also it can't be fun siting on the bench. If it is not fun eventually the kid will quit or not reach his potential.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
OMG, work ethic carries over to anything you want
To do in life, my kid is on top team, but not on top line,
So he known if he wants to play more next summer he has to work hard.
We been out ever day shooting. I other three are doing very well, sorry just accept your
Kid is not a top kid, and stop bashing the kids that work hard.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 07:56 PM
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 08:38 PM
Was Mad Dog West an all-star team or a regional team? World Series requires it be a regional team with players within 100 miles.

I expect Greene Turtle and Koopers would be competitive from the Mid-Atlantic. Did Bethesda lose players from 2014 (when they seemed like the top U11 team not named Igloo)?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 09:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still

SONS 2021 IS DONE
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 10:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still

SONS 2021 IS DONE


Koopers from Maryland will be there. Hopkins coach twin boys on that team. Will probably get a LI beatdown!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/08/15 11:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still

SONS 2021 IS DONE


Koopers from Maryland will be there. Hopkins coach twin boys on that team. Will probably get a LI beatdown!


How many of these teams will make the trip even if they do qualify is the real question?
91 and Igloo
don't see icon make trip or express

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 02:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still

SONS 2021 IS DONE


Koopers from Maryland will be there. Hopkins coach twin boys on that team. Will probably get a LI beatdown!


How many of these teams will make the trip even if they do qualify is the real question?
91 and Igloo
don't see icon make trip or express



Of course they would attend. That's not even a question. Try telling your son, "you made it to the WS of lax and could be on TV, BUT naaah, we won't go".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 01:06 PM
Bethesda - lots of injuries - no excuses - is what it is. Not for Profit - short bench - not making money on kids 20+
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 01:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still

SONS 2021 IS DONE


Koopers from Maryland will be there. Hopkins coach twin boys on that team. Will probably get a LI beatdown!


How many of these teams will make the trip even if they do qualify is the real question?
91 and Igloo
don't see icon make trip or express



Of course they would attend. That's not even a question. Try telling your son, "you made it to the WS of lax and could be on TV, BUT naaah, we won't go".


Believe it or not, a lot of teams declined to go last year. They tried to get 16 teams but could only get 10.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 03:14 PM
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...

I would bet that if we look at rosters of the top 5 2021 teams and 2020 teams you would be surprised how many 2020 could play or do play based on there age on 2021 team. So at the end of the day the age is what matters not the grade. I know a couple of 8th graders who are younger then some of the 7th graders . I don't have a problem with a boy playing down if he fits the age, cause what grade you are in these days means nothing , as we have come to find out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 03:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...


Yes, you are "cheating." If he is in the graduating class of 2020, he plays on a 2020 team - regardless of chronological age. If he dominates the 2021 kids when he plays them, he would be the "victim" in your scenario. How does he get better if he isn't challenged?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 04:31 PM
...how does he get better if he isn't given the opportunity to play? which is what happens all to often to many kids in the same boat. He plays against 2020 kids who in some cases are 14 - 16 months older than him which is a big deal at this age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...


Yes, you are "cheating." If he is in the graduating class of 2020, he plays on a 2020 team - regardless of chronological age. If he dominates the 2021 kids when he plays them, he would be the "victim" in your scenario. How does he get better if he isn't challenged?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
...how does he get better if he isn't given the opportunity to play? which is what happens all to often to many kids in the same boat. He plays against 2020 kids who in some cases are 14 - 16 months older than him which is a big deal at this age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...


Yes, you are "cheating." If he is in the graduating class of 2020, he plays on a 2020 team - regardless of chronological age. If he dominates the 2021 kids when he plays them, he would be the "victim" in your scenario. How does he get better if he isn't challenged?


Why isn't he given the opportunity to play?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 05:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...

I would bet that if we look at rosters of the top 5 2021 teams and 2020 teams you would be surprised how many 2020 could play or do play based on there age on 2021 team. So at the end of the day the age is what matters not the grade. I know a couple of 8th graders who are younger then some of the 7th graders . I don't have a problem with a boy playing down if he fits the age, cause what grade you are in these days means nothing , as we have come to find out.


This topic has been beaten to death on other threads, but if it's a grade based tournament you play by grade; if it's aged based you play by age - and young '20 kids could play with mostly '21s. Anything else is not playing by the rules - though I have no doubt it happens often.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 05:07 PM
Agree. He would be cheating himself if he plays down. kids that play down or play on teams that win most of the games they play never improve as much as those that have to fight for every inch on the field. If you play your son down to where he dominates or on a team that dominates it will give you short term gratification but by tenth grade many of those 2021 kids who would be more mature by tenth grade and those that played in games that were challenging the prior years will catch up to him and he will no longer dominate 2021 and not be able to compete in 2020. Yes I know people will point to many great players who played down but there are many more failures of kids that played down than successes. Also there are many more success storys of kids that played up or the correct age. It does not surprise me to hear some kids that played on AA teams that were not in challenging games are now getting cut and now play on B teams. Every kid and situation is different so there is no right answer. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...


Yes, you are "cheating." If he is in the graduating class of 2020, he plays on a 2020 team - regardless of chronological age. If he dominates the 2021 kids when he plays them, he would be the "victim" in your scenario. How does he get better if he isn't challenged?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 05:15 PM
(playing devil's advocate) because he can't make the 2020 A team playing against older kids but can make the 2019 A team against kids closer to his actual age
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
...how does he get better if he isn't given the opportunity to play? which is what happens all to often to many kids in the same boat. He plays against 2020 kids who in some cases are 14 - 16 months older than him which is a big deal at this age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...


Yes, you are "cheating." If he is in the graduating class of 2020, he plays on a 2020 team - regardless of chronological age. If he dominates the 2021 kids when he plays them, he would be the "victim" in your scenario. How does he get better if he isn't challenged?


Why isn't he given the opportunity to play?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 05:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...


Yes, you are "cheating." If he is in the graduating class of 2020, he plays on a 2020 team - regardless of chronological age. If he dominates the 2021 kids when he plays them, he would be the "victim" in your scenario. How does he get better if he isn't challenged?

I don't know if you are cheating, but I'm in the same boat. My son is 2021, but is an October birthday. I keep him in 2021 and he plays on what the program now calls an "A" team, but was a very good B team up until this past summer. He would get nothing out of playing 2022, and I refuse to hold him back just to potentially get a chance at a scholarship. I say let him play with the boys he will graduate with, get better by being challenged by the older kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 05:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(playing devil's advocate) because he can't make the 2020 A team playing against older kids but can make the 2019 A team against kids closer to his actual age
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
...how does he get better if he isn't given the opportunity to play? which is what happens all to often to many kids in the same boat. He plays against 2020 kids who in some cases are 14 - 16 months older than him which is a big deal at this age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...


Yes, you are "cheating." If he is in the graduating class of 2020, he plays on a 2020 team - regardless of chronological age. If he dominates the 2021 kids when he plays them, he would be the "victim" in your scenario. How does he get better if he isn't challenged?


Why isn't he given the opportunity to play?


If he can't make the 2020A team, I highly doubt he would be able to make the 2019A team, don't you?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 05:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...

I would bet that if we look at rosters of the top 5 2021 teams and 2020 teams you would be surprised how many 2020 could play or do play based on there age on 2021 team. So at the end of the day the age is what matters not the grade. I know a couple of 8th graders who are younger then some of the 7th graders . I don't have a problem with a boy playing down if he fits the age, cause what grade you are in these days means nothing , as we have come to find out.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...

I would bet that if we look at rosters of the top 5 2021 teams and 2020 teams you would be surprised how many 2020 could play or do play based on there age on 2021 team. So at the end of the day the age is what matters not the grade. I know a couple of 8th graders who are younger then some of the 7th graders . I don't have a problem with a boy playing down if he fits the age, cause what grade you are in these days means nothing , as we have come to find out.


That is 100% incorrect - please don't follow this advice. As one other poster said (and hundreds of other posts have as well), rules are rules. If the teams are graduation year based, then you cannot play down a grade if you are in the grade above - it has NOTHING to do with age WHATSOEVER, it's 100% grad year. That is why everyone complains that little Johnny who had been held back 3 times is crushing their son who is 3 years younger but in the same grade. If it is an age based team (U13, U15 etc.) then it is 100% age, NO MATTER WHAT GRADE YOUR SON IS IN. If he's 15 in 7th grade, he can't play U13 - not legally anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 05:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still


How in the world can you list Bethesda in this list??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 06:05 PM



If he can't make the 2020A team, I highly doubt he would be able to make the 2019A team, don't you? [/quote]

I'm sure that was a typo - meant 2021.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 10:21 PM
If you have a very young 2020 player (and my 2021 team has no Summer birthday, but about 8 Fall 2002 birthdays), find a U13 team for him to play on. Should be one in a hotbed area. Or find a 2021 team that plans to play in U13 tournaments. Just have the principle not to let him play in any grade-based tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/09/15 11:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you have a very young 2020 player (and my 2021 team has no Summer birthday, but about 8 Fall 2002 birthdays), find a U13 team for him to play on. Should be one in a hotbed area. Or find a 2021 team that plans to play in U13 tournaments. Just have the principle not to let him play in any grade-based tournaments.


What LI team has eight fall 2002 birthdays???? Those kids should be in 8th grade. My daughter is 14 and is in 10th grade. 14, yes, the same age as a Crab 2021 "7th grader" that my son's team played this past summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/10/15 12:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you have a very young 2020 player (and my 2021 team has no Summer birthday, but about 8 Fall 2002 birthdays), find a U13 team for him to play on. Should be one in a hotbed area. Or find a 2021 team that plans to play in U13 tournaments. Just have the principle not to let him play in any grade-based tournaments.


What LI team has eight fall 2002 birthdays???? Those kids should be in 8th grade. My daughter is 14 and is in 10th grade. 14, yes, the same age as a Crab 2021 "7th grader" that my son's team played this past summer.


Sad part is that most 2021 teams probably have 4-6 Summer 2002 birthdays. Having a U.S. Lacrosse 9/1 compliant team is not very common, at least for single year teams - that's why [lacrosse]'s and World Series moved to 6/1 and 5/1 cutoffs. BS in my view.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/10/15 01:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you have a very young 2020 player (and my 2021 team has no Summer birthday, but about 8 Fall 2002 birthdays), find a U13 team for him to play on. Should be one in a hotbed area. Or find a 2021 team that plans to play in U13 tournaments. Just have the principle not to let him play in any grade-based tournaments.


What LI team has eight fall 2002 birthdays???? Those kids should be in 8th grade. My daughter is 14 and is in 10th grade. 14, yes, the same age as a Crab 2021 "7th grader" that my son's team played this past summer.


Sad part is that most 2021 teams probably have 4-6 Summer 2002 birthdays. Having a U.S. Lacrosse 9/1 compliant team is not very common, at least for single year teams - that's why [lacrosse]'s and World Series moved to 6/1 and 5/1 cutoffs. BS in my view.



I agree that it is nonsense. We all know what kids who were left back were called when we were younger. Unfortunate as it was, there was a negative stigma attached to someone who had to repeat a grade. Today a kid who is left back, held back, or what ever the PC term is now, is an honor student and the best athlete in the school. What a joke. We have 17 and 18 year olds defending our nation in the military, but in some states a 17 year old is referred to as a sophomore in.... high school. Ultimately the joke will be on those who cheat or game the system, because when things in life turn into a goatf**k, they won't be able to handle it.

BTW, I don't know of any LI 2021 teams that have kids with summer 2002 birthdays. Am I wrong?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/10/15 11:14 AM
Igloo has 5 of them
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/10/15 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has 5 of them



From what I understand, Igloo jettisoned their grade inappropriate players this round of tryouts. They still have 5 2021 kids born prior to 12/1/02? Is this true or conjecture? The Igloo players my son knows well are age appropriate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/10/15 01:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has 5 of them


But there in 7th grade correct???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/10/15 02:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has 5 of them



From what I understand, Igloo jettisoned their grade inappropriate players this round of tryouts. They still have 5 2021 kids born prior to 12/1/02? Is this true or conjecture? The Igloo players my son knows well are age appropriate.
My son was born late Nov. We had put him in an academic Pre school to get him ready as we knew he would be one of the youngest in his class, and the end of the year both the Pre School and his future school recommended we wait a year. Other then economic advantage there no reason to start him. One Guidance counselor told me ' 90% of my problems come from Nov boys". At the time lax was the furthest thing from my mind, my kid did not even start playing till 3rd grade when he learned all his friends where playing. Plenty of boys born in Oct Nov where held back for academic reasons. There i nothing sinister about it. Lacrosse are the only idiots that go by grade not age
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/10/15 02:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has 5 of them



From what I understand, Igloo jettisoned their grade inappropriate players this round of tryouts. They still have 5 2021 kids born prior to 12/1/02? Is this true or conjecture? The Igloo players my son knows well are age appropriate.
My son was born late Nov. We had put him in an academic Pre school to get him ready as we knew he would be one of the youngest in his class, and the end of the year both the Pre School and his future school recommended we wait a year. Other then economic advantage there no reason to start him. One Guidance counselor told me ' 90% of my problems come from Nov boys". At the time lax was the furthest thing from my mind, my kid did not even start playing till 3rd grade when he learned all his friends where playing. Plenty of boys born in Oct Nov where held back for academic reasons. There i nothing sinister about it. Lacrosse are the only idiots that go by grade not age


If you truly held back for academic reasons, you are one of the few.

Most claim academic but it's sports driven. Don't fool yourself.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/10/15 03:11 PM
I don't think anyone is complaining about the November 2002 kids especially when held back for academic reasons. US Lacrosse states for all ages:

"It is recommended that when multiple teams exist within a program, the program should consider physical size, skill, and maturity when organizing teams."

This rule is so that older kids that are not as good talent wise, smaller or not as mature could be held back and play as the oldest kid. Kids that are older, bigger or have more talent than most 12 year olds should play up. So the age rules are to help older weaker and smaller players by allowing them to play where they are the oldest. IT IS NOT TO HAVE OLDER TALENTED KIDS THAT CAN COMETETE THE GRADE ABOVE BUT BE THE YOUNGEST PLAY DOWN AND DOMINATE BEING THE OLDEST OR TO FORM DREAM TEAMS THAT HAVE KIDS SO MUCH LARGER THAN THE AVERAGE 12 YEAR OLD. SO YES TEAMS ARE CHEATING WHEN THEY HAVE OLDER KIDS THAT ARE LARGER THAN AVERAGE THAT ARE STARS PLAY EVEN IF THEY FIT IN THIS AGE GROUP. Those kids are meant to play up or grade level. It is disgusting that parents and teams use a rule improperly meant to allow a weaker kid play as the oldest and take a talented kid and make them more dominant by having them play as the oldest. We know which team id guilty of this in 2021. Yes they do cheat even if all the kids are proper age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has 5 of them



From what I understand, Igloo jettisoned their grade inappropriate players this round of tryouts. They still have 5 2021 kids born prior to 12/1/02? Is this true or conjecture? The Igloo players my son knows well are age appropriate.
My son was born late Nov. We had put him in an academic Pre school to get him ready as we knew he would be one of the youngest in his class, and the end of the year both the Pre School and his future school recommended we wait a year. Other then economic advantage there no reason to start him. One Guidance counselor told me ' 90% of my problems come from Nov boys". At the time lax was the furthest thing from my mind, my kid did not even start playing till 3rd grade when he learned all his friends where playing. Plenty of boys born in Oct Nov where held back for academic reasons. There i nothing sinister about it. Lacrosse are the only idiots that go by grade not age
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/10/15 06:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has 5 of them



From what I understand, Igloo jettisoned their grade inappropriate players this round of tryouts. They still have 5 2021 kids born prior to 12/1/02? Is this true or conjecture? The Igloo players my son knows well are age appropriate.


I understand the same, regarding grade based kids moved to another team.

Not sure about birthdates of those remaining, but Express and 91 have players prior to 12/01/02 as well. Probably pre-K redshirts. Wouldn't be surprised if Outlaws has them as well. Most teams will-especially with the cutoff dates for [lacrosse]'s & World Series. You can't pinpoint one organization, when most are doing it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/10/15 08:16 PM
I think it's pretty normal in the rest of the country to use a 9/1 cutoff for starting kindegarten, and increasingly common for boys with August and even July birthdays to be held back for scholastic reasons. By scholastic reasons, I mean school increasingly seems tilted against boys aren't naturally built to sit still and quiet for 8 hours without recess, so why stack the deck further by being the youngest boy in the class.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/10/15 08:38 PM
My son has an Aug 30th 03 birthdate. Where should he play
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/10/15 09:08 PM
You know, the answer. Its like asking I got a 74 on a test, but to pass I need a 75. Then the next kids bday is aug 29, then the next kid I'd aug 28. No matter what the date is, there will be kids born the previous day.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/10/15 09:11 PM
Aug 30th 03 is U13 under U.S. Lacrosse rules and, for a grade based tournament, would depend whether he's in 7th grade now (2021) or 6th grade (2022).

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/10/15 09:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son has an Aug 30th 03 birthdate. Where should he play


cant answer it uless I know the grade he is in should be 7th grade
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/10/15 09:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You know, the answer. Its like asking I got a 74 on a test, but to pass I need a 75. Then the next kids bday is aug 29, then the next kid I'd aug 28. No matter what the date is, there will be kids born the previous day.


Once a date is set- it will be accepted- just like hockey. It can stink to be born on the day before the cut off- but it us what it is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/10/15 10:42 PM
the best post Ive seen in years... repost on all aged groups

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think anyone is complaining about the November 2002 kids especially when held back for academic reasons. US Lacrosse states for all ages:

"It is recommended that when multiple teams exist within a program, the program should consider physical size, skill, and maturity when organizing teams."

This rule is so that older kids that are not as good talent wise, smaller or not as mature could be held back and play as the oldest kid. Kids that are older, bigger or have more talent than most 12 year olds should play up. So the age rules are to help older weaker and smaller players by allowing them to play where they are the oldest. IT IS NOT TO HAVE OLDER TALENTED KIDS THAT CAN COMETETE THE GRADE ABOVE BUT BE THE YOUNGEST PLAY DOWN AND DOMINATE BEING THE OLDEST OR TO FORM DREAM TEAMS THAT HAVE KIDS SO MUCH LARGER THAN THE AVERAGE 12 YEAR OLD. SO YES TEAMS ARE CHEATING WHEN THEY HAVE OLDER KIDS THAT ARE LARGER THAN AVERAGE THAT ARE STARS PLAY EVEN IF THEY FIT IN THIS AGE GROUP. Those kids are meant to play up or grade level. It is disgusting that parents and teams use a rule improperly meant to allow a weaker kid play as the oldest and take a talented kid and make them more dominant by having them play as the oldest. We know which team id guilty of this in 2021. Yes they do cheat even if all the kids are proper age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo has 5 of them



From what I understand, Igloo jettisoned their grade inappropriate players this round of tryouts. They still have 5 2021 kids born prior to 12/1/02? Is this true or conjecture? The Igloo players my son knows well are age appropriate.
My son was born late Nov. We had put him in an academic Pre school to get him ready as we knew he would be one of the youngest in his class, and the end of the year both the Pre School and his future school recommended we wait a year. Other then economic advantage there no reason to start him. One Guidance counselor told me ' 90% of my problems come from Nov boys". At the time lax was the furthest thing from my mind, my kid did not even start playing till 3rd grade when he learned all his friends where playing. Plenty of boys born in Oct Nov where held back for academic reasons. There i nothing sinister about it. Lacrosse are the only idiots that go by grade not age
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 10:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still


How in the world can you list Bethesda in this list??



You can take Rising Sons off that list. The team left and the new team will be very different.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 12:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still


How in the world can you list Bethesda in this list??



You can take Rising Sons off that list. The team left and the new team will be very different.
what happened? That team was solid!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 01:00 PM
igloo will never be allowed to go as JS will block that by any means.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 01:46 PM
Why would someone block Igloo from going to WS?

The one thing that "saves" [lacrosse]'s and WS is that, although they obviously don't get the top 15 teams in the country, it seems like they have often got at least the #1 team so their champion is legit.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 02:37 PM
No one is. Someone is bored at work and trying to create a topic
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 03:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
igloo will never be allowed to go as JS will block that by any means.

Who/What is JS and how can any team be blocked?[
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 03:06 PM
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 03:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.


91 won't go for the next two years bc they can't win
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 03:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.


91 won't go for the next two years bc they can't win


you know that is just not true. 2021 maybe not, but expect to see them quite a bit after that. It is part of the business model.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 04:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 04:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?


Lost? Or replaced? More likely replaced them and recruited players as an upgrade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 05:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.


"JS" coaches the 91 Crush team. That team is now in 8th grade and obviously does not need any "guest players" under any circumstances . Not sure what JS has to do with a 91 2021 team and how or why he would "rig" the series. sounds ridiculous to me, makes no sense.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 05:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.


91 won't go for the next two years bc they can't win


you know that is just not true. 2021 maybe not, but expect to see them quite a bit after that. It is part of the business model.


2022 smash is best on Long Island but can't beat top Maryland teams. Agree it picks back up with the bandits
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 05:59 PM
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 06:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?


Lost? Or replaced? More likely replaced them and recruited players as an upgrade.


I think people will be surprised i hear they pick up top kid from rival team ...... should be interesting. .... They will still be tops of the tops
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 06:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?


Lost? Or replaced? More likely replaced them and recruited players as an upgrade.


I think people will be surprised i hear they pick up top kid from rival team ...... should be interesting. .... They will still be tops of the tops



What position from what rival team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?



Can't do that. Have to be a 2021 grad year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 06:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?



Can't do that. Have to be a 2021 grad year.

You are correct these are this years rules

Roster Rules
All players must be born on or after 5/1/2001.
All players must be in the Class of 2020 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 07:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?



Can't do that. Have to be a 2021 grad year.

You are correct these are this years rules

Roster Rules
All players must be born on or after 5/1/2001.
All players must be in the Class of 2020 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.


Those are last years rules. Assume they would role forward this year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 07:06 PM
This means most of Crush can play again. Igloo's days of avoiding Crush may come to an end. My prediction is if Some of the Crush players play for 91 then Igloo won't compete. The big surprise player will be very unhappy if he had to travel all that distance and Igloo does not play. Is he 100 miles away from Syosset? He may not be allowed to play because of distance anyway.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?



Can't do that. Have to be a 2021 grad year.

You are correct these are this years rules

Roster Rules
All players must be born on or after 5/1/2001.
All players must be in the Class of 2020 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 07:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This means most of Crush can play again. Igloo's days of avoiding Crush may come to an end. My prediction is if Some of the Crush players play for 91 then Igloo won't compete. The big surprise player will be very unhappy if he had to travel all that distance and Igloo does not play. Is he 100 miles away from Syosset? He may not be allowed to play because of distance anyway.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?



Can't do that. Have to be a 2021 grad year.

You are correct these are this years rules

Roster Rules
All players must be born on or after 5/1/2001.
All players must be in the Class of 2020 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.



ZERO crush players will play for Orange, except maybe for one LOL.....All others are all ineligible because they are in 8th grade. What did Igloo pick up an attackman from the Sons? Good luck with that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 07:43 PM
Igloo is holding fall practices in metlife stadium so all good
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 08:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This means most of Crush can play again. Igloo's days of avoiding Crush may come to an end. My prediction is if Some of the Crush players play for 91 then Igloo won't compete. The big surprise player will be very unhappy if he had to travel all that distance and Igloo does not play. Is he 100 miles away from Syosset? He may not be allowed to play because of distance anyway.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?



Can't do that. Have to be a 2021 grad year.

You are correct these are this years rules

Roster Rules
All players must be born on or after 5/1/2001.
All players must be in the Class of 2020 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.


Read the rules again - all of them, not just the first couple (and add a year to everything). Some may make it based on age (like the leading scorer from this year who is only a 2022), but they "must participate with their team/program on a regular basis" to be eligible. Though I have no idea how they are going to police that one.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 08:27 PM
Igloo lost players to what team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 08:30 PM
interesting that there were some 2021 and later kids on Crush. Just along for the ride, maybe but now the 2021 team is better and more experienced for sure.

This will be fun to watch.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 08:51 PM


Read the rules again - all of them, not just the first couple (and add a year to everything). Some may make it based on age (like the leading scorer from this year who is only a 2022), but they "must participate with their team/program on a regular basis" to be eligible. Though I have no idea how they are going to police that one.

It will probably be policed by other teams watching and reporting if a team adds an unfamiliar player. The team and player would then be confronted. Opposing teams and coaches would likely recognize a "new" impact player if they had previously played the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 09:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still


How in the world can you list Bethesda in this list??



You can take Rising Sons off that list. The team left and the new team will be very different.
what happened? That team was solid!


What happened is the parents on that team were NUTS, good luck to any team that picks those kids up. Most of them (the crazy ones) went to Mesa. They are the "grass is always greener" types. My prediction, they won't be happy anywhere
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/11/15 10:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still


How in the world can you list Bethesda in this list??



You can take Rising Sons off that list. The team left and the new team will be very different.
what happened? That team was solid!


Entire team quit. Parents blame the coaching, coaches blame the parents. Total circus in amish land
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/12/15 01:07 PM
Our Steps team played them, and yes they were good but were the worst parents we had ever seen. I mean ever. Fresh start for that group is a good thing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/12/15 02:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our Steps team played them, and yes they were good but were the worst parents we had ever seen. I mean ever. Fresh start for that group is a good thing.


STEPS, although my son's team did not play you during NXT, we had the opportunity to watch you. Nice team and a good program. Good Luck next season.

Looks like Igloo and 91 caused the demise of the SONs. They couldn't pick themselves up after a loss without blaming others.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/12/15 06:44 PM
You guys can't be serious.. Igloo is not a threat to the Crush. Igloo has been avoiding Crush ever since the last time the Crush whopped 'em. Igloo is a solid 2021 team, but no where near the caliber of the Crush.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/12/15 07:42 PM
Has 2021 91 A played Igloos A in the last year ? I know SPallina has been aggressive in reaching out to players to bring them aboard. DId they close the gap?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/12/15 09:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our Steps team played them, and yes they were good but were the worst parents we had ever seen. I mean ever. Fresh start for that group is a good thing.


Fresh start is exactly what that team needs. No one wants parents with horrible attitudes around. The club is stronger now that they are gone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/12/15 10:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has 2021 91 A played Igloos A in the last year ? I know SPallina has been aggressive in reaching out to players to bring them aboard. DId they close the gap?


The gap has been closed by 91, not by Express. 91 may be the only team to defeat Igloo this year.

Express had their chance to rebuild last year when they came within 2 the previous year. Now they have to wait until next year and hope for the catholic holdbacks (8th grade repeaters) to support their few existing mature kids.

91 & Igloo both have many 'mature' 2021s which will show. During tourneys, they should be put in separate bracket so they meet in the championships.

MLT will schedule that way when they run the tourneys I'm sure, but other tourneys run out of state by another org may put both teams in the same bracket to give the home team a chance.

Time will tell!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/12/15 10:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You guys can't be serious.. Igloo is not a threat to the Crush. Igloo has been avoiding Crush ever since the last time the Crush whopped 'em. Igloo is a solid 2021 team, but no where near the caliber of the Crush.


Crush would beat Igloo 2021 by 20 goals it not even a conversation the beating would be far worse than the total and complete beating a couple of years ago, enough said on this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/12/15 10:47 PM
I'm a Igloo 2021 parent, and let me tell you that no one on any of the teams at Igloo would say the 2021 Igloo boys would beat the 91 2020 Crush. This is obviously someone just trying to keep a good organization from looking good. Please don't make any mistake about it, Igloo is a great place to play, well organized, no empty promises, tons of great practices with great coaches. Kids feel special, so do the parents. Bottom line they are doing something right, and people along the way from other organizations will hate on them for it. Parents, I love Igloo and if we win, lose or draw my son gets everything we spent our money on and more. Sincerely Happy Igloo Dad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/13/15 02:14 AM
Well said!! Tony Alexander runs a great program. Cares about All his teams. Very genuine, caring, professional guy. Who cares who wins at these young ages. Let the kids learn the game and improve each year. When they go to prospect college days in 10th grade nowhere does it say how many games did your travel team in 6 7th grade win? lol Enjoy watching your son play time goes by very fast.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/13/15 02:33 AM
Yeah but Igloo just picked up the Sons best player, wth just proves how crazy those parents were on that team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?



Can't do that. Have to be a 2021 grad year.

You are correct these are this years rules

Roster Rules
All players must be born on or after 5/1/2001.
All players must be in the Class of 2020 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/13/15 02:35 AM
Wait till you get a load of this dad
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/13/15 02:43 AM
Yep, bunch of primadonna's. Sad that it had to happen. They were/are doing a good job down there in amish land.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our Steps team played them, and yes they were good but were the worst parents we had ever seen. I mean ever. Fresh start for that group is a good thing.


STEPS, although my son's team did not play you during NXT, we had the opportunity to watch you. Nice team and a good program. Good Luck next season.

Looks like Igloo and 91 caused the demise of the SONs. They couldn't pick themselves up after a loss without blaming others.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/13/15 11:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah but Igloo just picked up the Sons best player, wth just proves how crazy those parents were on that team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo lost the players. Think about this. If 91 Crush takes all kids born after June 1, 2002 from that team and merges them with the 2021 91 Orange team that would create problems for Igloo. Igloo may not win if that happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. JS will sandbag that for sure. Igloo is too much of a threat. The series will either be rigged or JS will bring in some "guest" players from an older grade to ensure Igloo is out. There is no way a 91 team will lose on National Television.
Sounds like Igloo lost 1 or 2 of their better players in looking back on this thread. With the loss of these kids are they still the top team? Or are they just still better than everyone else?



Can't do that. Have to be a 2021 grad year.

You are correct these are this years rules

Roster Rules
All players must be born on or after 5/1/2001.
All players must be in the Class of 2020 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.



100 miles.......for this kid I believe the distance from Igloo's field to his driveway is 99.7 miles.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/13/15 12:57 PM
If that's what you have to keep telling yourself to sleep better at night!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/13/15 02:27 PM
It's amazing how that ESPN TV slot is going to affect 2021 dynamics over the next 10 months.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/13/15 03:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If that's what you have to keep telling yourself to sleep better at night!



What is this in reference to?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/13/15 06:19 PM
Fresh start is exactly what that team needs. No one wants parents with horrible attitudes around. The club is stronger now that they are gone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/14/15 03:08 AM
Anyone have any info on Recon 2021? Ranger team vs mountain team? Coaches? Training? Thanks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/14/15 03:35 AM
Rising Sons 2021 is a completely different team. All new kids
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/14/15 12:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Well said!! Tony Alexander runs a great program. Cares about All his teams. Very genuine, caring, professional guy. Who cares who wins at these young ages. Let the kids learn the game and improve each year. When they go to prospect college days in 10th grade nowhere does it say how many games did your travel team in 6 7th grade win? lol Enjoy watching your son play time goes by very fast.


Okay I dont know this guy from a hole in the head. That being said, here is my honest advice in travel, screw the coach and the team, have your kid get what they can. I know it makes me sound like a douchbag and a POS. But every year coaches talk about "Band of Brothers" " we are a family" "put the team first" Lets be honest, 4 or 5 of those kids he is speaking to will be cut loose at the end of the season , no family, no loyalty period. Its just the truth. Better a child understands the truth, if your dont make us better, or somebody else can make us better, we will throw you away like a used dishcloth. And that is okay , we live in a tough world. But what your kid should learn, be it he be the one cut or its his teammate who he played elevator tag with is that if you dont perform they get rid of you, the "loyalty family" thing is just a way for the coach to get you to play the way he wants instead of playing selfishly. First and foremost, do everything you can to get yourself better on the field PERIOD, look our for yourself.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/14/15 02:00 PM
FACT! Well said.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/14/15 05:24 PM
This post is correct but there is more to it than this. The situation is two sided. In a perfect world, a group of kids would start off together and play as a team through HS. The problem is that the kids who begin to excel are now too good for that team and are lured away. These decisions to leave are generally made by adults, not the kids. If you asked a kid about who he would rather play with, his friends or a bunch he doesn't know, he will take his friends every time. (Of course the new teammates will become his friends in a short period of time). This is where the program directors and coaches are in a difficult spot. If you don't improve your team each year by upgrading those bottom 3-5 kids, you may lose the top 3-5 because your team isn't "good enough".
This is the environment adults have created, like it or not. Unfortunately, the days of kids and programs being able to show loyalty to each other appears to be over. It is now a matter of keeping up in order to survive for the program and parents looking for greener pastures if things are not exactly what they are looking for. It is now strictly business for both sides.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Well said!! Tony Alexander runs a great program. Cares about All his teams. Very genuine, caring, professional guy. Who cares who wins at these young ages. Let the kids learn the game and improve each year. When they go to prospect college days in 10th grade nowhere does it say how many games did your travel team in 6 7th grade win? lol Enjoy watching your son play time goes by very fast.


Okay I dont know this guy from a hole in the head. That being said, here is my honest advice in travel, screw the coach and the team, have your kid get what they can. I know it makes me sound like a douchbag and a POS. But every year coaches talk about "Band of Brothers" " we are a family" "put the team first" Lets be honest, 4 or 5 of those kids he is speaking to will be cut loose at the end of the season , no family, no loyalty period. Its just the truth. Better a child understands the truth, if your dont make us better, or somebody else can make us better, we will throw you away like a used dishcloth. And that is okay , we live in a tough world. But what your kid should learn, be it he be the one cut or its his teammate who he played elevator tag with is that if you dont perform they get rid of you, the "loyalty family" thing is just a way for the coach to get you to play the way he wants instead of playing selfishly. First and foremost, do everything you can to get yourself better on the field PERIOD, look our for yourself.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/14/15 07:41 PM
True. Although not all are lured away. Some are forced away from the town because of the local cronies and politics running the local lax program - which was hurting the natural friendships to begin with!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This post is correct but there is more to it than this. The situation is two sided. In a perfect world, a group of kids would start off together and play as a team through HS. The problem is that the kids who begin to excel are now too good for that team and are lured away. These decisions to leave are generally made by adults, not the kids. If you asked a kid about who he would rather play with, his friends or a bunch he doesn't know, he will take his friends every time. (Of course the new teammates will become his friends in a short period of time). This is where the program directors and coaches are in a difficult spot. If you don't improve your team each year by upgrading those bottom 3-5 kids, you may lose the top 3-5 because your team isn't "good enough".
This is the environment adults have created, like it or not. Unfortunately, the days of kids and programs being able to show loyalty to each other appears to be over. It is now a matter of keeping up in order to survive for the program and parents looking for greener pastures if things are not exactly what they are looking for. It is now strictly business for both sides.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Well said!! Tony Alexander runs a great program. Cares about All his teams. Very genuine, caring, professional guy. Who cares who wins at these young ages. Let the kids learn the game and improve each year. When they go to prospect college days in 10th grade nowhere does it say how many games did your travel team in 6 7th grade win? lol Enjoy watching your son play time goes by very fast.


Okay I dont know this guy from a hole in the head. That being said, here is my honest advice in travel, screw the coach and the team, have your kid get what they can. I know it makes me sound like a douchbag and a POS. But every year coaches talk about "Band of Brothers" " we are a family" "put the team first" Lets be honest, 4 or 5 of those kids he is speaking to will be cut loose at the end of the season , no family, no loyalty period. Its just the truth. Better a child understands the truth, if your dont make us better, or somebody else can make us better, we will throw you away like a used dishcloth. And that is okay , we live in a tough world. But what your kid should learn, be it he be the one cut or its his teammate who he played elevator tag with is that if you dont perform they get rid of you, the "loyalty family" thing is just a way for the coach to get you to play the way he wants instead of playing selfishly. First and foremost, do everything you can to get yourself better on the field PERIOD, look our for yourself.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/14/15 07:45 PM
I think it has been strictly business for the programs for quite a while. Charging 2-3k a season made it that way. The parents of the better kids don't want to shell out that kind of money and not have their kids challenged at practice. Can you blame them? That's what PAL is for. It's a shame but it is not going back any time soon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/14/15 07:56 PM
Can anyone post who the coachs are for 91,Igloo,Icon and express.
Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/14/15 08:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone post who the coachs are for 91,Igloo,Icon and express.
Thanks


How about you go on their web sites? How lazy can you be?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/14/15 09:57 PM
Why is it that a lot of high-end clubs not say on their websites what tournaments they are going to attend?

It's pretty common for some clubs and a nice way to evaluate a club or, in some cases, to know that a given tournament is going to have good competition.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/14/15 10:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is it that a lot of high-end clubs not say on their websites what tournaments they are going to attend?

It's pretty common for some clubs and a nice way to evaluate a club or, in some cases, to know that a given tournament is going to have good competition.


It's because many don't want to face certain other teams that they may lose to, thereby reducing their stock!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/15/15 12:00 PM
NO


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone post who the coachs are for 91,Igloo,Icon and express.
Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/15/15 02:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is it that a lot of high-end clubs not say on their websites what tournaments they are going to attend?

It's pretty common for some clubs and a nice way to evaluate a club or, in some cases, to know that a given tournament is going to have good competition.


It's because many don't want to face certain other teams that they may lose to, thereby reducing their stock!


I know that 91 and Legacy do that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/16/15 06:26 PM
Did Bluefish start calling for this age?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/17/15 12:56 PM
bluefish results are on the website by pinnie number, and yes they called and emailed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/17/15 11:07 PM
Very ignorant to think only Long Island teams will go to Denver. Watch out for several teams fron Ct, HUdson Valley and Rochester area, more specifically Eclipse, Primetime and Victor.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/18/15 01:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very ignorant to think only Long Island teams will go to Denver. Watch out for several teams fron Ct, HUdson Valley and Rochester area, more specifically Eclipse, Primetime and Victor.


Not very ignorant at all, just very astute. LI teams will be the odds on favorites.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/18/15 01:39 AM
Igloo Black ice and Eclipse CT
Should be the 2 powers U13
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/18/15 01:03 PM
I would not be to quick to automatically think Igloo will be Top this upcoming season. 91 has put together a powerhouse team , with powerhouse coaching . The new addition of a familiar coach will properly set the tone of Winning it all !


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo Black ice and Eclipse CT
Should be the 2 powers U13
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/18/15 01:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would not be to quick to automatically think Igloo will be Top this upcoming season. 91 has put together a powerhouse team , with powerhouse coaching . The new addition of a familiar coach will properly set the tone of Winning it all !


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo Black ice and Eclipse CT
Should be the 2 powers U13


Who is this powerhouse of a coach? Will igloo need kryptonite ? Is it the man of steel ....Look its a bird its a plan its SUPER COACH !!!!! Teacher by day Super Coach at night ....will he get changed in the porta potties? Will they get it right this year and finally beat The igloos and if they do what does it really mean .........NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/18/15 01:39 PM
Who is this 91 powerhouse of a coach? Will igloo need kryptonite ? Is it the man of steel ....Look its a bird its a plan its SUPER COACH !!!!! Teacher by day Super Coach at night ....will he get changed in the porta potties? Will they get it right this year and finally beat The igloos and if they do what does it really mean .........NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/18/15 03:13 PM
I think when anyone would look at the coaching for the 2021 teams I would think no one could compare to the staff at Icon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/18/15 03:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think when anyone would look at the coaching for the 2021 teams I would think no one could compare to the staff at Icon.


NON ICON PARENT AND I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE THEY ARE ICONS IN THE SPORT OF LACROSSE
Everyone knows Long Island is the mecca of lacrosse. Just saying Long Island Express & 91 were not so dominant last season. I agree with Black Ice and Icon both were top notch.

As for PT & Eclipse they both have new talent and are playing year round.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/18/15 07:58 PM
Hi all. I'm new to this Board. My son came home from middle school and said he wants to try lacrosse. He hasn't played sports in a couple of years but was OK at baseball. I've read the posts and it seems like the best teams are Igloo Black Ice and Icon Orange. Would these be good teams for him? How do i sign him up? What is a good stick? Any information is appreciated.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/18/15 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo Black ice and Eclipse CT
Should be the 2 powers U13


Igloo yes, not to sure about Eclipse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/18/15 09:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hi all. I'm new to this Board. My son came home from middle school and said he wants to try lacrosse. He hasn't played sports in a couple of years but was OK at baseball. I've read the posts and it seems like the best teams are Igloo Black Ice and Icon Orange. Would these be good teams for him? How do i sign him up? What is a good stick? Any information is appreciated.


Very funny.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/18/15 09:43 PM
Originally Posted by Tycotian
Everyone knows Long Island is the mecca of lacrosse. Just saying Long Island Express & 91 were not so dominant last season. I agree with Black Ice and Icon both were top notch.

As for PT & Eclipse they both have new talent and are playing year round.



What tournaments did you see Express play in?
Super series & lax clash
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/19/15 12:22 AM
Originally Posted by Tycotian
Super series & lax clash





Was Super series NLF?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/21/15 11:00 PM
Yes NLF. They were good but not great. They played laxachusettes and HHH in tight games won one and lost one. HHH has one great player and after that they are average.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/22/15 07:12 PM
Wow. Legacy is having Tryouts for 2021 again ? Multiple sources tell me those teams are already full.My understanding is that they are pretty much full BOC took a certain organization tot eh woodshed and banned them for unethical behavior and ripping people off. I applaud them for this. But will other organization be held to the same scrutiny ? Charging people for tryouts and getting kids hopes up when there are no positions open is a pure money grab. Other organizations at this point will post , our X team needs a Middy, our Y team needs a d pole and Goalie . Call if you are interested. To have a trout where several hundred people show up for maybe 3 overall spots in the entire organization seems pretty crappy
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/22/15 07:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow. Legacy is having Tryouts for 2021 again ? Multiple sources tell me those teams are already full.My understanding is that they are pretty much full BOC took a certain organization tot eh woodshed and banned them for unethical behavior and ripping people off. I applaud them for this. But will other organization be held to the same scrutiny ? Charging people for tryouts and getting kids hopes up when there are no positions open is a pure money grab. Other organizations at this point will post , our X team needs a Middy, our Y team needs a d pole and Goalie . Call if you are interested. To have a trout where several hundred people show up for maybe 3 overall spots in the entire organization seems pretty crappy


Last year they had 3 teams at this age so keep that in mind before you go after anyone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/23/15 01:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow. Legacy is having Tryouts for 2021 again ? Multiple sources tell me those teams are already full.My understanding is that they are pretty much full BOC took a certain organization tot eh woodshed and banned them for unethical behavior and ripping people off. I applaud them for this. But will other organization be held to the same scrutiny ? Charging people for tryouts and getting kids hopes up when there are no positions open is a pure money grab. Other organizations at this point will post , our X team needs a Middy, our Y team needs a d pole and Goalie . Call if you are interested. To have a trout where several hundred people show up for maybe 3 overall spots in the entire organization seems pretty crappy


Last year they had 3 teams at this age so keep that in mind before you go after anyone.
My understanding is that they are not having 3 teams. They announced as much
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/23/15 06:39 PM
They have confirmed that they will only have 2 teams this year. Don't forget to visit the gift shop and sign up for the golf tournament. The raincoats are on sale.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/23/15 10:01 PM
Did the Rising Sons player join Igloo yet?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/23/15 10:29 PM
Huh, u must be joking?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/23/15 10:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They have confirmed that they will only have 2 teams this year. Don't forget to visit the gift shop and sign up for the golf tournament. The raincoats are on sale.


Raincoats!1 I am in...What else is on sale??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/24/15 12:25 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They have confirmed that they will only have 2 teams this year. Don't forget to visit the gift shop and sign up for the golf tournament. The raincoats are on sale.


Raincoats!1 I am in...What else is on sale??


Kool aid, lots of Kool aid
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/24/15 01:07 AM
Um yeah, sure those igloo parents are thrilled. He will make 1/3 of the practices.Probably no winter skills since their during the week and will start at attack.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did the Rising Sons player join Igloo yet?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/24/15 01:08 AM
Joking cmon man ESPN2 all day.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Huh, u must be joking?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/24/15 01:40 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Joking cmon man ESPN2 all day.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Huh, u must be joking?


He lives way more than 100 miles from their home field. That is a rule in Denver. He can't play
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/24/15 03:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They have confirmed that they will only have 2 teams this year. Don't forget to visit the gift shop and sign up for the golf tournament. The raincoats are on sale.


Raincoats!1 I am in...What else is on sale??


Who coaches that team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/24/15 12:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Joking cmon man ESPN2 all day.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Huh, u must be joking?


He lives way more than 100 miles from their home field. That is a rule in Denver. He can't play


Family has a 2nd home in Hamptons
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/24/15 01:30 PM
Am I the only one who thinks the WSYL won't even happen again. No schedule, no news, no qualifying info. Sure ratings were low.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/24/15 01:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Am I the only one who thinks the WSYL won't even happen again. No schedule, no news, no qualifying info. Sure ratings were low.
Yes, you are only one
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/24/15 01:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Am I the only one who thinks the WSYL won't even happen again. No schedule, no news, no qualifying info. Sure ratings were low.


I agree. Crickets so far. Haven't updated the website with any info for this year. They were planning on adding girls this year and now that info is completely gone from the website
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/24/15 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Am I the only one who thinks the WSYL won't even happen again. No schedule, no news, no qualifying info. Sure ratings were low.


I agree. Crickets so far. Haven't updated the website with any info for this year. They were planning on adding girls this year and now that info is completely gone from the website


Call them they answer ask any question u want
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/24/15 04:31 PM
The clubs they want know the qualifying dates
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/24/15 05:47 PM
Will be interesting to see the impact igloo feels from playing with all 2021 players as the kids that were playing down as 2020 players have moved on
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/24/15 06:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will be interesting to see the impact igloo feels from playing with all 2021 players as the kids that were playing down as 2020 players have moved on


Igloo has plenty of kids that should be on 2020 teams...they were early adopters of the age bending
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/24/15 06:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will be interesting to see the impact igloo feels from playing with all 2021 players as the kids that were playing down as 2020 players have moved on


Igloo has plenty of kids that should be on 2020 teams...they were early adopters of the age bending


The real question is how the heck they got away with for years. Really a disgrace to call themselves a 2021 team if they had even one 2020 player on the team. Their ways will catch up with them eventually.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/24/15 07:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will be interesting to see the impact igloo feels from playing with all 2021 players as the kids that were playing down as 2020 players have moved on


Igloo has plenty of kids that should be on 2020 teams...they were early adopters of the age bending


The real question is how the heck they got away with for years. Really a disgrace to call themselves a 2021 team if they had even one 2020 player on the team. Their ways will catch up with them eventually.


And where did those players go? Igloo 2020?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/24/15 07:18 PM
one of the '20's went to ride the bench of crush..."gods gift" to crush.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/24/15 11:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
one of the '20's went to ride the bench of crush..."gods gift" to crush.


Thank God
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/25/15 02:20 PM
Cut off is Aug 31, 2002 for 2021 team. Look at the USL website.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/25/15 10:07 PM
Roster Rules for World Series of Youth Lacrosse

All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002.
All players must be in the Class of 2021 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/25/15 11:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Roster Rules for World Series of Youth Lacrosse

All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002.
All players must be in the Class of 2021 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.


May 1 Birthday??? That is a total appeasement to all the grade base teams...If they wanted some leeway it should have been July 1 at most... Now teams from all over the country beside the Balt area and a couple of other areas will be at a disadvantage...Most teams will go by Sept 1 birthday like USL...Once again the holdbacks win ...Playing down,,yea for the cheaters at youth lacrosse
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/26/15 12:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cut off is Aug 31, 2002 for 2021 team. Look at the USL website.



August 31, 2002 is the cut off for a U team. In NYS December 1, 2002 is the cut off for a 2021 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/27/15 01:52 AM
Thats not true at all. There is no "cutoff" for a 2021 Team. It is simply whether the kid is in a grade that will graduate in 2021 - so 7th grade. Age has nothing to do with Grade Based / Grad Year Teams - like it or not.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/27/15 02:19 PM
What do USL rules have anything to do with actual lacrosse?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/27/15 03:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Roster Rules for World Series of Youth Lacrosse

All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002.
All players must be in the Class of 2021 or later.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.


May 1 Birthday??? That is a total appeasement to all the grade base teams...If they wanted some leeway it should have been July 1 at most... Now teams from all over the country beside the Balt area and a couple of other areas will be at a disadvantage...Most teams will go by Sept 1 birthday like USL...Once again the holdbacks win ...Playing down,,yea for the cheaters at youth lacrosse


So they set birthdate rules and limit the potential spread of ages and you don't like it, they have grade and age but it isn't enough for you, they also established a geography limit. Still not enough? I guess you have to start your own program.

What do you have to bring to us? Let's call it the Fantasyland/Pollyanna Lax Open.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/28/15 01:00 PM
No kid should be playing with a birthday before 9/1/02. that simple.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/28/15 02:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will be interesting to see the impact igloo feels from playing with all 2021 players as the kids that were playing down as 2020 players have moved on


Igloo has plenty of kids that should be on 2020 teams...they were early adopters of the age bending


The real question is how the heck they got away with for years. Really a disgrace to call themselves a 2021 team if they had even one 2020 player on the team. Their ways will catch up with them eventually.


And where did those players go? Igloo 2020?



Sorry no 2020 igloo kids on Crush, 1 tried out didn't make it
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/28/15 02:50 PM
So does Igloo have any 8th graders on their team, don't care about birthday if they are in class of 2021 they play 2021 if in class of 2020 they play 2020.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/28/15 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No kid should be playing with a birthday before 9/1/02. that simple.


while you might be on the moral high ground, unfortunately you don't make the rules. Live with it, it is better than no age limit.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/28/15 04:47 PM
I heard the same, that you did not make the team during the actual tryout process.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/28/15 04:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No kid should be playing with a birthday before 9/1/02. that simple.


while you might be on the moral high ground, unfortunately you don't make the rules. Live with it, it is better than no age limit.


Boom - headshot. 100% correct, BTW - "should", "shouldn't" don't come into play - rules are rules, if you don't like it try and get them changed, or play only age based tourney and clubs...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 09/28/15 05:44 PM
I was at a prospect day with my older boy D1 school, and there was a kid that was good to ok, problem was he already reclassified. and all the coaches, know that. remember cheaters ever win.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/02/15 11:37 AM
The Quiet before the Storm
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/02/15 01:41 PM
Who is playing on Columbus Day?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/03/15 02:26 PM
Express and Outlawz
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/03/15 05:13 PM
Yes and since it is a Legacy tournament they will be there. Also both igloo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express and Outlawz
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/06/15 01:39 PM
ITS COMING
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/06/15 04:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ITS COMING


It's a fall tournament after three practices, mr ominous october promoter.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/06/15 10:08 PM
What's the name of the tournament on Columbus Day?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/07/15 01:06 PM
deeeeez nutzzz!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/07/15 01:14 PM
Found it interesting that Legacy Greyhounds (aka Blue Knights) is afraid to play against Express A.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/07/15 01:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes and since it is a Legacy tournament they will be there. Also both igloo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express and Outlawz
It will be Legacy and Igloo 2021 in Finals. Igloo has cake schedule play no one. Legacy will beat Sons handidly and meet Igloo in finals. Legacy will take it easy on tony's squad will in like 8-2 and every igloo parent will say we hung with 2020 Legacy. Joke.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/07/15 05:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes and since it is a Legacy tournament they will be there. Also both igloo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express and Outlawz
It will be Legacy and Igloo 2021 in Finals. Igloo has cake schedule play no one. Legacy will beat Sons handidly and meet Igloo in finals. Legacy will take it easy on tony's squad will in like 8-2 and every igloo parent will say we hung with 2020 Legacy. Joke.

Is there a schedule out?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/07/15 07:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes and since it is a Legacy tournament they will be there. Also both igloo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express and Outlawz
It will be Legacy and Igloo 2021 in Finals. Igloo has cake schedule play no one. Legacy will beat Sons handidly and meet Igloo in finals. Legacy will take it easy on tony's squad will in like 8-2 and every igloo parent will say we hung with 2020 Legacy. Joke.


Express Leghart will beat Igloo
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/07/15 07:19 PM
Is igloo '21 playing in a '20 bracket?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/07/15 08:44 PM
Is the schedule out or you just talking smack.

what does the 2021 bracket look like?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/07/15 09:05 PM
your nuts, Igloo Black ice will destroy Express
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/08/15 04:00 PM
"your nuts, Igloo Black ice will destroy Express"

Igloo Big balls; I hope they play. I bet '20 express legs wins.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/09/15 10:26 PM
Columbus Day invitational is on tourney machine.
Black Ice playing up in 2020 bracket.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/09/15 10:36 PM
Columbus Day Invitational 2021 Bracket

LIE Channy
LIE Karkoski
Legacy Titans
Legacy Greyhounds*
Outlaws
Igloo Avalanche
Eclipse, CT

Why does Legacy Greyhounds have an asterik?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/09/15 10:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is the schedule out or you just talking smack.

what does the 2021 bracket look like?


Its got a bunch of rectangles with teams names written in them. There also field numbers and times
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/10/15 02:11 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Columbus Day Invitational 2021 Bracket

LIE Channy
LIE Karkoski
Legacy Titans
Legacy Greyhounds*
Outlaws
Igloo Avalanche
Eclipse, CT


Because they have the easiest schedule in the bunch?
Why does Legacy Greyhounds have an asterik?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/11/15 12:19 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Columbus Day invitational is on tourney machine.
Black Ice playing up in 2020 bracket.
So what we aren't playing anyone
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/12/15 05:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Columbus Day invitational is on tourney machine.
Black Ice playing up in 2020 bracket.
So what we aren't playing anyone
Wouldn't exactly call it playing up when you are playing, Ravage, Leggy, and Leghart.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/12/15 08:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"your nuts, Igloo Black ice will destroy Express"

Igloo Big balls; I hope they play. I bet '20 express legs wins.


14-0. would go ahead and rethink that one. baby steps, maybe just try and put one on the board
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/12/15 08:58 PM
Looking at scores - how in the world can the 2020 Express Teams suck this bad - where did the talent go?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/12/15 10:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes and since it is a Legacy tournament they will be there. Also both igloo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express and Outlawz
It will be Legacy and Igloo 2021 in Finals. Igloo has cake schedule play no one. Legacy will beat Sons handidly and meet Igloo in finals. Legacy will take it easy on tony's squad will in like 8-2 and every igloo parent will say we hung with 2020 Legacy. Joke.
spot on
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/12/15 10:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking at scores - how in the world can the 2020 Express Teams suck this bad - where did the talent go?


The Express 2020 A team didn't attend this tourney. I guess it was their B teams that played. I thought they would have a better showing as well. Not sure I would make any assumptions off of this one tourney though.

I would have liked to have seen Taz and Sons in the finals. I think they were the strongest teams in the division.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/12/15 10:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes and since it is a Legacy tournament they will be there. Also both igloo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express and Outlawz
It will be Legacy and Igloo 2021 in Finals. Igloo has cake schedule play no one. Legacy will beat Sons handidly and meet Igloo in finals. Legacy will take it easy on tony's squad will in like 8-2 and every igloo parent will say we hung with 2020 Legacy. Joke.
spot on


Err....pretty sure Legacy was trying hard to win. It was only a 4 goal game which is a little tight to take your foot off the gas. Also, if they were "taking it easy" as you suggest that would be rather inconsistent with their 19-0 victory earlier in the day over Express North. I don't think Taz is a "take it easy" kind of team. Maybe tip your cap to Igloo and just try saying "good game" for once.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/12/15 11:12 PM
As far as spot on goes, Legacy tied Sons, they were lucky to make it to the finals
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/12/15 11:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes and since it is a Legacy tournament they will be there. Also both igloo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express and Outlawz
It will be Legacy and Igloo 2021 in Finals. Igloo has cake schedule play no one. Legacy will beat Sons handidly and meet Igloo in finals. Legacy will take it easy on tony's squad will in like 8-2 and every igloo parent will say we hung with 2020 Legacy. Joke.
spot on


Err....pretty sure Legacy was trying hard to win. It was only a 4 goal game which is a little tight to take your foot off the gas. Also, if they were "taking it easy" as you suggest that would be rather inconsistent with their 19-0 victory earlier in the day over Express North. I don't think Taz is a "take it easy" kind of team. Maybe tip your cap to Igloo and just try saying "good game" for once.


It was a competitive game. I respect Igloo for challenging themselves playing up and making it to the championship showing well. I have two questions, why are the Express teams so weak? And why did the Terps hide, not like they were doing anything this weekend. Scared of Legacy maybe?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/12/15 11:43 PM
LIE Channy looked great today. Ran thru the teams for the championship. Much better than last season. Several good additions.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/12/15 11:46 PM
Take the 2020 div to the 2020 thread. Taz is not reading this thread, talk smack over there.
As far as anyone being scared of legacy, what happened to them in the 2021?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/12/15 11:58 PM

Err....pretty sure Legacy was trying hard to win. It was only a 4 goal game which is a little tight to take your foot off the gas. Also, if they were "taking it easy" as you suggest that would be rather inconsistent with their 19-0 victory earlier in the day over Express North. I don't think Taz is a "take it easy" kind of team. Maybe tip your cap to Igloo and just try saying "good game" for once. [/quote]

It was a competitive game. I respect Igloo for challenging themselves playing up and making it to the championship showing well. I have two questions, why are the Express teams so weak? And why did the Terps hide, not like they were doing anything this weekend. Scared of Legacy maybe?


Express won 2 of the 5 brackets (2021 and 2022). The brackets they did not win their best teams did not play (2020 and 2023). They probably would have also won those if their top teams played and not their B teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 12:21 AM
This is a dumb post. Express won three games by the scores of 8-7 7-5 and 7-3. They were behind in all these games for a long time. This is hardly running through these teams. The only game they had an easy win was against the Avalace team who they beat 10-4. Lucky black Ice played up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
LIE Channy looked great today. Ran thru the teams for the championship. Much better than last season. Several good additions.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 12:34 AM
Ran thru teams? They only beat CT Eclipse 8-7 and then 7-5 in finals. Seems pretty tight esp versus a non Long Island team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 12:40 AM
I agree this is the 2021 thread. Give cudos to LIE Channy. They beat a talented Eclipse team twice.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 01:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Err....pretty sure Legacy was trying hard to win. It was only a 4 goal game which is a little tight to take your foot off the gas. Also, if they were "taking it easy" as you suggest that would be rather inconsistent with their 19-0 victory earlier in the day over Express North. I don't think Taz is a "take it easy" kind of team. Maybe tip your cap to Igloo and just try saying "good game" for once.


It was a competitive game. I respect Igloo for challenging themselves playing up and making it to the championship showing well. I have two questions, why are the Express teams so weak? And why did the Terps hide, not like they were doing anything this weekend. Scared of Legacy maybe?


Express won 2 of the 5 brackets (2021 and 2022). The brackets they did not win their best teams did not play (2020 and 2023). They probably would have also won those if their top teams played and not their B teams. [/quote]

They didn’t play because they didn't want to be embarrassed, been dodging for a while. Can't hide forever!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 01:10 AM
Express 2021 B team looked horrible, it looked like PAL B team. way to many kids on that team as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 01:18 AM
They only beat CT Eclipse 8-7 and then 7-5 in finals. Seems pretty tight esp versus a non Long Island team.

It was the eclipse U13 team. Believe the same team that played in world championships out in Denver last summer. Those were good wins against a good team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 11:59 AM
no not the same team but several kids did play up and attend the WSYL last season. Channy has good talent but play extremely hard and that was the difference in both Eclipse games
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 11:59 AM
Did express have Icon kids play with them?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 01:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes and since it is a Legacy tournament they will be there. Also both igloo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express and Outlawz
It will be Legacy and Igloo 2021 in Finals. Igloo has cake schedule play no one. Legacy will beat Sons handidly and meet Igloo in finals. Legacy will take it easy on tony's squad will in like 8-2 and every igloo parent will say we hung with 2020 Legacy. Joke.
spot on


Err....pretty sure Legacy was trying hard to win. It was only a 4 goal game which is a little tight to take your foot off the gas. Also, if they were "taking it easy" as you suggest that would be rather inconsistent with their 19-0 victory earlier in the day over Express North. I don't think Taz is a "take it easy" kind of team. Maybe tip your cap to Igloo and just try saying "good game" for once.
I'm Sons would have not taken it easy on Igloo. I would have like to see them instead of TAZ as TZ and AA are to good of friends. You could hear the igloo parents begging not to have to play Sons.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 01:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did express have Icon kids play with them?


Yes he played
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 01:35 PM
Off season saw the better clubs poach Legacys players and while their loss to the Wolverines is not the end being soundly beaten by the Outlaws is troubling at best for them. LAst year year they edged put the Outlaws but this year it was a sound beating. The Outlaws still seem to be the team scratching to get into double AA and the WOlverines handled them after a rocky start. With TLI in turmoil as well looks like the Outlaws will cement itslef in the top 5 , Express, Igloo and Icon. Will be a fun season,. Has Channy righted the ship ? Can Igloo continue its improbable run as the best 2021 team after appearing out of thin air 5 years ago ? Can Icon ? Can the Outlaws team play philosophy get them over the hump against teams with better talent. Will most of the SOns players pass their road test in the next few months ? Time will tell, be prepared for snow in the ground and expensive indoor fees while they wait it out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 02:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did express have Icon kids play with them?


Yes he played


THEY
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 02:33 PM
How was the Black Ice championship game against TAZ? Kudos on playing up for the competition but I'm curious about how playing older (and presumably bigger) kids affected gameplay? That's an age range where a year makes a big difference. I notice it mostly on GB's and sometimes my little guys slide perfectly but bounce off a big 2020.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 04:46 PM
Is that true the Express 2021 team had outsiders
Lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 04:58 PM
Perhaps they would look better if they had their own goalie and if they didn't have kids who have never played before on the team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express 2021 B team looked horrible, it looked like PAL B team. way to many kids on that team as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 05:08 PM
The Legacy vs Igloo Championship game played yesterday was Legacy 10 Igloo 3 who ever put the score down as 8-4 is a bunch of crap. Igloo had no chance, even while Legacy made multiple mistakes in the second half.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 05:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did express have Icon kids play with them?


Yes he played


THEY


Along with literally 30 other kids on the team! The bench was size was beyond reprehensible!

It looked like a picture perfect money grab but came across more like an act of desperation by the owner to get this team where it should have been a few years ago. He was probably too busy focusing on the very very few chosen ones all this time and not the team. Cramming for this year's big test!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 06:45 PM
I watched Express Wolves vs the Outlaws and "he" played for Express the entire game. He did not get one second of rest. I guess they were afraid to take him out of the game when the Outlaws went up by 3 goals and leading for most of the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did express have Icon kids play with them?


Yes he played


THEY


Along with literally 30 other kids on the team! The bench was size was beyond reprehensible!

It looked like a picture perfect money grab but came across more like an act of desperation by the owner to get this team where it should have been a few years ago. He was probably too busy focusing on the very very few chosen ones all this time and not the team. Cramming for this year's big test!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 07:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I watched Express Wolves vs the Outlaws and "he" played for Express the entire game. He did not get one second of rest. I guess they were afraid to take him out of the game when the Outlaws went up by 3 goals and leading for most of the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did express have Icon kids play with them?


Yes he played



THEY


Along with literally 30 other kids on the team! The bench was size was beyond reprehensible!

It looked like a picture perfect money grab but came across more like an act of desperation by the owner to get this team where it should have been a few years ago. He was probably too busy focusing on the very very few chosen ones all this time and not the team. Cramming for this year's big test!


And it's only the first tournament of the season. No reason to think the act will change. There will be 40 kids on the team soon and the money will be falling out of his pockets! And the way the guy kisses up to a few of those kids is weird.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 08:11 PM
I also know that Express tried to recruit at least one other Icon kid but was turned down, which is the right thing to do.
Also does anyone know how many of the Igloo kids are in fact 8th grade if any, don't care about age just grade
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 09:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Legacy vs Igloo Championship game played yesterday was Legacy 10 Igloo 3 who ever put the score down as 8-4 is a bunch of crap. Igloo had no chance, even while Legacy made multiple mistakes in the second half.


Whatever the final score was Legacy should be taking out your face-off guy for steak and lobster ..... he was very good and a large reason they won the game if Igloo won 2 face-off that was a lot . BTW Final score was 8-4 and Legacy won 95% of the face-offs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 09:35 PM
Curious to see where the Express guest players play for WSYL ......should be interesting If i was a betting man I would say EXPRESS
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 10:12 PM
How many players played Monday that were not on the Express team and were they all Icon player So?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 10:14 PM
Igloo got a easy Schedule and Should of not of even of been in the Championship.
It should of been Sons and TAZ.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 10:54 PM
If Icon lost their best player and other players are they still in the top 4? If these players from Icon were just guest players is Express a top 4 team? Are they playing for both teams the entire year or just yesterday? At least everyone looked the proper age yesterday for all the teams that played in the 2021 bracket except the CT team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I watched Express Wolves vs the Outlaws and "he" played for Express the entire game. He did not get one second of rest. I guess they were afraid to take him out of the game when the Outlaws went up by 3 goals and leading for most of the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did express have Icon kids play with them?


Yes he played



THEY


Along with literally 30 other kids on the team! The bench was size was beyond reprehensible!

It looked like a picture perfect money grab but came across more like an act of desperation by the owner to get this team where it should have been a few years ago. He was probably too busy focusing on the very very few chosen ones all this time and not the team. Cramming for this year's big test!


And it's only the first tournament of the season. No reason to think the act will change. There will be 40 kids on the team soon and the money will be falling out of his pockets! And the way the guy kisses up to a few of those kids is weird.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 11:03 PM
CT. team is all legit. It was made specifically for the WSYL so everyone is a 7th grader. If Express Channy had Icon players that makes me think Eclipse were the better team. I guess Long Island just being Long Island.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/13/15 11:22 PM
CT team was a U13 team.

Not a big deal, but not a 2021 unit. They were very good though.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 12:15 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I also know that Express tried to recruit at least one other Icon kid but was turned down, which is the right thing to do.
Also does anyone know how many of the Igloo kids are in fact 8th grade if any, don't care about age just grade


PLEASE
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 12:17 AM
Only 4 teams from NY/New England can qualify for WSYL. Igloo is a lock - then a fight for the other three spots. Doubt Express will be in mix - likely 91 - as they will have players who are grade eligible from Crush Team at 2021. maybe one more long island team - but good chance a New England Team or Two in mix. Not going to be easy to qualify.

Not easy in Mid-Atlantic Region either - 4 teams from MD, NJ, PA, VA, DE…….
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 12:36 AM
Don't say they are all 7th graders. Your web site says there is a U13 team and a 2021 team. The U13 team plays the fall tournaments. 2021 does not. Why would your website call this team u13 if it was a legit 2021 team? They were a good 7th grade team but not so good if older kids played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
CT. team is all legit. It was made specifically for the WSYL so everyone is a 7th grader. If Express Channy had Icon players that makes me think Eclipse were the better team. I guess Long Island just being Long Island.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 12:52 AM
All of the eighth graders play on the ct eclipse 2020 team. Furthermore, according to WSYL, only 2021 (or earlier) may be on the u13 team. The eclipse team is a 2021 team geared towards making the WSYL tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 01:07 AM
Right, for that U13 Eclipse, leading up to tryouts, they made it clear that the team was being formed to qualify for the WSYL and that players needed to both meet the birthdate requirement and be a 2021. I am not affiliated with eclipse, but it looks like they are doing this legit.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 01:17 AM
Has to be 2021 AND be born AFTER 5/1/2002.

Highly doubt any Team from CT will qualify from the Region.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 01:28 AM
Amazing how WSYL is a made-up-from-thin-air event but because championship is on ESPN2 EVERYONE wants to play in it. I'm not criticizing, because I feel the same way, but what does that say about us?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 01:45 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amazing how WSYL is a made-up-from-thin-air event but because championship is on ESPN2 EVERYONE wants to play in it. I'm not criticizing, because I feel the same way, but what does that say about us?
Not sure what it says, but as a parent of a player that did participate last year, it was a great experience and ALL the kids, win or lose had a blast. Lots of great memories made. Good luck to the 2021 teams!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 01:49 AM
With regards to the statement about how "highly doubt any team from CT will qualify because they can't meet the age and grade criteria" ...

It is true that there area lot of teams out there (most often MD and Canada referenced) that play older kids down. However, there is a bit of a dynamic on this board developing where some LI people automatically assume any good non-LI team must be playing older kids down if they are competitive with the best LI teams. This is being assumed too frequently as a knee-jerk reaction with no actual knowledge. Happening in this thread right now related to the Eclipse team.

LI people, the world doesn't end if legit age/grade teams beat the best LI teams. And it is only going to happen more and more going forward ...

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 01:59 AM
was not a comment about the age requirement - was doubting a CT will qualify as one of the 4 teams that qualify from Region of NY/New England.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 11:17 AM
Why would parents put there kid on a team with 30 plus kids and guess players coming in every tournament, you are taking a whole summer away from your kid. Go to a team that he will play on and let him enjoy the game on the field. It's not about you dad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 12:29 PM
The CT team was good but common. If on Long Island they would not be on the top four.
quote=Anonymous]CT. team is all legit. It was made specifically for the WSYL so everyone is a 7th grader. If Express Channy had Icon players that makes me think Eclipse were the better team. I guess Long Island just being Long Island. [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 02:19 PM
All the Icon players are still intact even the one who was guest player for express, don't ask me why they would have him or any other player take time away from their regular players. He has been trying to get a few of the other Icon players the past two years but they have not left.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 02:59 PM
Regional Qualifier Schedule/Locations have been announced for WSYL. For NY/New England - is weekend of April 2nd.

Info no won WSYL Website. Top 4 Teams from each Regional Qualifier (all in april) go to Denver.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 03:38 PM
Where did you see "Top 4" teams from each qualifier go to Denver? I just read champion and "multiple" and "other top" teams.

I've heard the event was a blast, but would be expensive. What are thoughts of folks whether it is worth going if you're a team that is good enough to give top teams a good game on the field if not the scoreboard.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 06:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amazing how WSYL is a made-up-from-thin-air event but because championship is on ESPN2 EVERYONE wants to play in it. I'm not criticizing, because I feel the same way, but what does that say about us?


It may signify that there is a real desire to have a regulator in the mix. The holdback issue is out of hand and if this "made for TV" event is the catalyst to bring regulation to the sport, so be it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 07:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amazing how WSYL is a made-up-from-thin-air event but because championship is on ESPN2 EVERYONE wants to play in it. I'm not criticizing, because I feel the same way, but what does that say about us?


It may signify that there is a real desire to have a regulator in the mix. The holdback issue is out of hand and if this "made for TV" event is the catalyst to bring regulation to the sport, so be it.


Interesting thought.

Yes, there is definite desire for a regulator, but a 5/1 birth date is still too old. USL has done nothing about it for years, all talk.

WSYL saw an opportunity, had the connections to the tv network thru MLL, took over and and pushed the date back four months earlier than USL!

Smoke and mirrors with the glam of tv, and the ad dollars that come with it. Don't be fooled.

It's a business. Think of all the connections MLL has via some of it's players coaching or owning club teams nationwide. You really think the age issue will be fixed when many who are now running the industry, beat the system back in the day and openly promote doing the same?

Is it grow the game or honor the game? The unfortunate answer is - whichever makes more money!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 08:16 PM
I think 5/1 is too early as well. [lacrosse]'s had already moved to 6/1 after last year, which I think is also too early. (I do think that [lacrosse]'s prior 8/1 date was fairly reflective of when many boys start kindegardten).

I don't think playing against a 2021 loaded (4-8 kids) with summer birthdays is the end of the world, but there is no question that it's a competitive advantage to have a team that is, on average, a few months older. Look at Hogan's brackets and you can see how many teams - from everywhere, not just Maryland - don't have 2020, 2021 or 2022 teams that meet the 9/1 cutoff.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/14/15 10:59 PM
More importantly, what teams are. Going to qualifiers?

My guess is 91, Express, Igloo & Icon. Any others from LI
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/15/15 06:56 PM
Comments like this are so stupid get over it -everyone does what works for them if it doesn't work for you so be it. Why do you care about someone else's summer?
Didn't your momma teach you everyone's different and that's why makes the world go around.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/16/15 11:31 AM
Halloween Havoc looks to a have a weak line up. Very disappointing. LIE Channey plus DELETED
Will roll easily. Only competition is a fair Outlaws team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/16/15 12:04 PM
More importantly, what teams are. Going to qualifiers?

My guess is 91, Express, Igloo & Icon. Any others from LI


Agree with these 4. In addition I could see Eclipse, Laxachusetts, and possibly Prime Time. Not sure if there are any other teams from the North that could compete other than these:

Igloo
91
Express
Icon
Eclipse
Laxachusetts
Prime Time
Any other possibilities?



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/16/15 12:14 PM
91 Ambush FOGO will challenge DELETED any day of the week... should be a game to look forward to.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Halloween Havoc looks to a have a weak line up. Very disappointing. LIE Channey plus DELETD player
Will roll easily. Only competition is a fair Outlaws team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/16/15 12:24 PM
DELEED isnt that good
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/16/15 01:44 PM
With all the changes Ambush is the team to beat here.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/16/15 06:26 PM

Ambush may be a better team then orange if not equal but time will tell .


Originally Posted by Anonymous
With all the changes Ambush is the team to beat here.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/16/15 06:42 PM
91 Orange Is now the B team. You will all be surprised tomorrow.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/16/15 06:57 PM
You are delusional - stop trying to start crap.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/16/15 08:44 PM
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/16/15 09:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.



You play Sunday...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/16/15 10:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


Yes, because judging teams on how they look in practice is always spot on .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/16/15 10:05 PM
Primetime is not going. the director DAniello only worries about HS teams. That's why numerous youth players left the program. He should have a director for HS teams and Youth teams. Unfortunately he is very absent for youth. A shame as he has many good players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/16/15 10:25 PM
Makes me think Orange isn't that good
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/17/15 12:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Makes me think Orange isn't that good



Really?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/17/15 11:53 AM

Ambush is not loaded with kissass parents like Orange who PAL around with the coach to get locked in.

quote=Anonymous]Makes me think Orange isn't that good [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/17/15 02:04 PM

I heard ambush is good this year. They added a buch of kids. Have not heard about orange. I hope orange plays igloo this year so we can see if they are really good or just talk. Orange missed playing igloo last year because at one tournament orange got eliminated early. They may be all talk. Ambush will be in top six this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush is not loaded with kissass parents like Orange who PAL around with the coach to get locked in.

quote=Anonymous]Makes me think Orange isn't that good
[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/17/15 04:00 PM
Hearing coach of Ambush is gunning for Denver .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/17/15 04:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard ambush is good this year. They added a buch of kids. Have not heard about orange. I hope orange plays igloo this year so we can see if they are really good or just talk. Orange missed playing igloo last year because at one tournament orange got eliminated early. They may be all talk. Ambush will be in top six this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush is not loaded with kissass parents like Orange who PAL around with the coach to get locked in.

quote=Anonymous]Makes me think Orange isn't that good
[/quote]

How good is igloo tho? Played w many illegal players How TA was let off the hook for that boggles the mind
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/17/15 05:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard ambush is good this year. They added a buch of kids. Have not heard about orange. I hope orange plays igloo this year so we can see if they are really good or just talk. Orange missed playing igloo last year because at one tournament orange got eliminated early. They may be all talk. Ambush will be in top six this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush is not loaded with kissass parents like Orange who PAL around with the coach to get locked in.

quote=Anonymous]Makes me think Orange isn't that good


How good is igloo tho? Played w many illegal players How TA was let off the hook for that boggles the mind[/quote] Honestly, how many 2020's did he have? I know for a fact 1, i'm assuming there are more.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/17/15 05:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush is not loaded with kissass parents like Orange who PAL around with the coach to get locked in.

quote=Anonymous]Makes me think Orange isn't that good
[/quote]


WOW, you really have no idea what you are talking about. While I'm sure Ambush is a good team, they are not on the same level as Orange.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/17/15 08:31 PM
Wow the oldie but goodie B team is better then the A team. Be careful what u wish for. Did you get cut this year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/17/15 09:44 PM

I can tell you first hand Ambush has a better team. When you see Channy get eaten alive tomorrow by them you will change your Tude. . Word has it channy wants Ambush Fogo back on express


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush is not loaded with kissass parents like Orange who PAL around with the coach to get locked in.

quote=Anonymous]Makes me think Orange isn't that good



WOW, you really have no idea what you are talking about. While I'm sure Ambush is a good team, they are not on the same level as Orange. [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/18/15 01:17 AM
You heard it hear first Ambush will be Ambushed tomorrow.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/18/15 02:03 AM
Sad. You all sound pathetic fighting over your kid's teams. You guys aren't even as mature as the 7th graders you are arguing over.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/18/15 02:39 AM
Let them play .then you can post something valid
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/18/15 04:51 PM
So Ambush went up in flames today against express channy..... like I said . Bye Bye Berry
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/18/15 06:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Ambush went up in flames today against express channy..... like I said . Bye Bye Berry


Wow so you ran right to the computer to post that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/18/15 08:18 PM

Should be bye bye old pathetic coach that 91 still holds onto .
They may have brought talent in but maybe the problem lies on that guy that seems to be protected all the time by JM and doesn't know how to handle talent on the field .



uote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Ambush went up in flames today against express channy..... like I said . Bye Bye Berry


Wow so you ran right to the computer to post that. [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/18/15 08:27 PM
You can't tell anything from fall lacrosse. I know kids were missing from all four teams that played A bracket today. Coaches are learning how good or bad new kids are. Few practices etc. All four teams played well today. A lot of talent. It was a fun day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Ambush went up in flames today against express channy..... like I said . Bye Bye Berry


Wow so you ran right to the computer to post that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/18/15 08:32 PM
Wow. Someone has anger problems.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/18/15 08:43 PM
Express has not changed even with the addition of 5 -10 coaches on sideline. They still lose to Igloo, 91 Orange, icon, etc. They still beat the same mediocre teams. It's so predictable. 30 guys on roster. Same kids play. Same parents complain. The act is boring at this point.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/18/15 08:57 PM
Express has not changed even with the addition of 5 -10 coaches on sideline. They still lose to Igloo, 91 Orange, icon, etc. They still beat the same mediocre teams. It's so predictable.

Express 2021 has never lost to Icon. The only thing that is predictable is your ongoing weak effort to knock a great program and a very strong 2021 team. Very boring.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/18/15 11:40 PM
They use to be great, now they are average at best.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 12:18 AM
So can the idiot who spouted off about Ambush now shut up? The attack couldn't catch and throw and they forced the ball to the middle all the time. The defense and goalie are the only reason why they were in the first two games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 12:26 AM
Not an Express parent but they are better than average. They have 3 or 4 great players that are top players. The rest of the team are good but not great. That is all you need to be a top team which they are. Have they lost to any other Long Island team other than igloo and Oranage? Can't call them average until more Long Island teams beat them.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
They use to be great, now they are average at best.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 03:00 AM
Its nice express has players that play for 2 different clubs when its convenient. Berry is a great coach and happy to not see him put up with the express politics.8th grader on express was priceless.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 04:36 AM
Please, express played a better game and won. Stop acting like a sore looser
And try teaching your kid to work hard and give a 100%. The better playing team won today there is no need to make lies up to make the dads feel better.
It's fall ball - that is the new team, the helmets haven't even been ordered yet so of course you will seed different here to on the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 10:30 AM
A pickup team tied with Ambush 1-1 what's up with that ?? Parents pay good money to get the best possible coaching , yes early fall tournaments mean nothing , but at times it a clear indication of what's in store for next summer.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
So can the idiot who spouted off about Ambush now shut up? The attack couldn't catch and throw and they forced the ball to the middle all the time. The defense and goalie are the only reason why they were in the first two games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 10:59 AM
Ambush beat the supposed AA Team of Outlaws.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 11:02 AM
It was 5-4 at one point with Express and Strong island
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 11:22 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express has not changed even with the addition of 5 -10 coaches on sideline. They still lose to Igloo, 91 Orange, icon, etc. They still beat the same mediocre teams. It's so predictable. 30 guys on roster. Same kids play. Same parents complain. The act is boring at this point.

And don't forget they still have the waterboy!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 11:36 AM
Scores were all over the place in the A division yesterday as one would expect for fall lacrosse where teams are missing players and figuring out how to fit in new players. The Saints tied 91 1-1 then lost to the Outlaws 12-2. The saints and Outlaws played Express close for half a game then express pulled away. 91was never in the game against Express and lost by 10. All this means nothing. Anyone who tries to draw conclusions from these games of how good a team will be in the summer never played a sport before. In the spring /summer these teams will look different when all players show up for games and new players fit in. Express won and they were the best team yesterday. End of story. Move on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 11:49 AM
What makes you say they had an older kid? They all seemed to be the proper age. Unless you know the kid don't listen to what you hear. Even if they did have an older kid the three kids that were winning for them were 7th graders from what I saw. That team has three superstars after that it does not matter who else is playng with them so long as they can catch and throw. Put those kids on any of the other three teams yesterday and the team they play for would not only win yesterday but would be a top four team. Those kids are that good and proper age.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its nice express has players that play for 2 different clubs when its convenient. Berry is a great coach and happy to not see him put up with the express politics.8th grader on express was priceless.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 12:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Scores were all over the place in the A division yesterday as one would expect for fall lacrosse where teams are missing players and figuring out how to fit in new players. The Saints tied 91 1-1 then lost to the Outlaws 12-2. The saints and Outlaws played Express close for half a game then express pulled away. 91was never in the game against Express and lost by 10. All this means nothing. Anyone who tries to draw conclusions from these games of how good a team will be in the summer never played a sport before. In the spring /summer these teams will look different when all players show up for games and new players fit in. Express won and they were the best team yesterday. End of story. Move on.


Yeah the express team showed up - all 30 of them!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 12:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Scores were all over the place in the A division yesterday as one would expect for fall lacrosse where teams are missing players and figuring out how to fit in new players. The Saints tied 91 1-1 then lost to the Outlaws 12-2. The saints and Outlaws played Express close for half a game then express pulled away. 91was never in the game against Express and lost by 10. All this means nothing. Anyone who tries to draw conclusions from these games of how good a team will be in the summer never played a sport before. In the spring /summer these teams will look different when all players show up for games and new players fit in. Express won and they were the best team yesterday. End of story. Move on.


This kind of rational thought is dangerous. Be careful
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 12:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Scores were all over the place in the A division yesterday as one would expect for fall lacrosse where teams are missing players and figuring out how to fit in new players. The Saints tied 91 1-1 then lost to the Outlaws 12-2. The saints and Outlaws played Express close for half a game then express pulled away. 91was never in the game against Express and lost by 10. All this means nothing. Anyone who tries to draw conclusions from these games of how good a team will be in the summer never played a sport before. In the spring /summer these teams will look different when all players show up for games and new players fit in. Express won and they were the best team yesterday. End of story. Move on.
Then what do you say to all the people who making predictions a month ago before even these games where played. If the fall games tell you nothing then the first practice must tell you even less
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 01:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Scores were all over the place in the A division yesterday as one would expect for fall lacrosse where teams are missing players and figuring out how to fit in new players. The Saints tied 91 1-1 then lost to the Outlaws 12-2. The saints and Outlaws played Express close for half a game then express pulled away. 91was never in the game against Express and lost by 10. All this means nothing. Anyone who tries to draw conclusions from these games of how good a team will be in the summer never played a sport before. In the spring /summer these teams will look different when all players show up for games and new players fit in. Express won and they were the best team yesterday. End of story. Move on.
Then what do you say to all the people who making predictions a month ago before even these games where played. If the fall games tell you nothing then the first practice must tell you even less


This is a mom who happened upon this thread trying to find the schedule for Blatant Fall Jam. The comments above make sense - What is wrong with the rest of you guys? Let your kids play. Let the coaches coach. They are 12. You sound like middle school girls. You might want to invest in a good therapist to work out your passive aggressive "stuff" - rather than posting this anonymous, infantile drivel. Oh, and here's another tip - when your kid is playing - SHUT UP. Let them play the game. They want to succeed, and the coaches will correct their mistakes. Your job as a parent is to be their support, lift them up, pat them on the back, tell them you love watching them play and let then let them go back to being KIDS.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 01:39 PM
Yes. First practice means nothing too. I doubt any team had 100 percent attendance at any practice yet. Teams that have athletes will have kid playing other sports on a Sunday and other days. If express was mising two of the top three players they have and they lost a game yesterday I would say that means nothing. New kids have to learn plays and find a spot. Unfortunately a new kid may get burned playing with the starters and when the coach figures it out he moves the kid down and plays less. Takes a few goals against before that happens. That kids won't be burned for a few goals in the summer because the coached learned in the fall the kid should not play in tight games. fall lacrosse means nothing as to how a team will play in the summer.



uote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Scores were all over the place in the A division yesterday as one would expect for fall lacrosse where teams are missing players and figuring out how to fit in new players. The Saints tied 91 1-1 then lost to the Outlaws 12-2. The saints and Outlaws played Express close for half a game then express pulled away. 91was never in the game against Express and lost by 10. All this means nothing. Anyone who tries to draw conclusions from these games of how good a team will be in the summer never played a sport before. In the spring /summer these teams will look different when all players show up for games and new players fit in. Express won and they were the best team yesterday. End of story. Move on.
Then what do you say to all the people who making predictions a month ago before even these games where played. If the fall games tell you nothing then the first practice must tell you even less [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 04:03 PM

This is a mom who happened upon this thread trying to find the schedule for Blatant Fall Jam. The comments above make sense - What is wrong with the rest of you guys? Let your kids play. Let the coaches coach. They are 12. You sound like middle school girls. You might want to invest in a good therapist to work out your passive aggressive "stuff" - rather than posting this anonymous, infantile drivel. Oh, and here's another tip - when your kid is playing - SHUT UP. Let them play the game. They want to succeed, and the coaches will correct their mistakes. Your job as a parent is to be their support, lift them up, pat them on the back, tell them you love watching them play and let then let them go back to being KIDS. [/quote]

Amen to that. You can see this guys berating their kids in the car for dropping a pass or missing a shot. Stop equating success on a playing field with future success in life. I am fairly certain that most of your doctors and wall street finance guys never played college sports.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 04:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a mom who happened upon this thread trying to find the schedule for Blatant Fall Jam. The comments above make sense - What is wrong with the rest of you guys? Let your kids play. Let the coaches coach. They are 12. You sound like middle school girls. You might want to invest in a good therapist to work out your passive aggressive "stuff" - rather than posting this anonymous, infantile drivel. Oh, and here's another tip - when your kid is playing - SHUT UP. Let them play the game. They want to succeed, and the coaches will correct their mistakes. Your job as a parent is to be their support, lift them up, pat them on the back, tell them you love watching them play and let then let them go back to being KIDS.



Amen to that. You can see this guys berating their kids in the car for dropping a pass or missing a shot. Stop equating success on a playing field with future success in life. I am fairly certain that most of your doctors and wall street finance guys never played college sports. [/quote]
Don't kid yourself, some Wall Street companies have their own teams that play. Some of the kids graduating from D-1 colleges go right into Wall Street companies based on where they played college.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 04:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a mom who happened upon this thread trying to find the schedule for Blatant Fall Jam. The comments above make sense - What is wrong with the rest of you guys? Let your kids play. Let the coaches coach. They are 12. You sound like middle school girls. You might want to invest in a good therapist to work out your passive aggressive "stuff" - rather than posting this anonymous, infantile drivel. Oh, and here's another tip - when your kid is playing - SHUT UP. Let them play the game. They want to succeed, and the coaches will correct their mistakes. Your job as a parent is to be their support, lift them up, pat them on the back, tell them you love watching them play and let then let them go back to being KIDS.



Amen to that. You can see this guys berating their kids in the car for dropping a pass or missing a shot. Stop equating success on a playing field with future success in life. I am fairly certain that most of your doctors and wall street finance guys never played college sports.

Don't kid yourself, some Wall Street companies have their own teams that play. Some of the kids graduating from D-1 colleges go right into Wall Street companies based on where they played college. [/quote]
Ever hear of Sector SPDR, that are at the Lake Placid tournament every year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 05:06 PM
Who ever posted they still have the waterboy you sound like a teenage girl.
If you have something to say to the guy go up
To him and say it. My son was on the wolves a while back and loved that guy.
He was always there for the kids to bring them up ..yeah and to make sure they didn't pass out on those 110 degree summer tournaments.
Years later my kid still runs up to say hi to him when we see him.
Have anyone running up to you? Doubt it.
You sound like a bitter person to even bring up someone who tries to look out for the kids. Your obviously a parent who is jealous your kid didn't make the team
to shoot so low and even mention that guy.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a mom who happened upon this thread trying to find the schedule for Blatant Fall Jam. The comments above make sense - What is wrong with the rest of you guys? Let your kids play. Let the coaches coach. They are 12. You sound like middle school girls. You might want to invest in a good therapist to work out your passive aggressive "stuff" - rather than posting this anonymous, infantile drivel. Oh, and here's another tip - when your kid is playing - SHUT UP. Let them play the game. They want to succeed, and the coaches will correct their mistakes. Your job as a parent is to be their support, lift them up, pat them on the back, tell them you love watching them play and let then let them go back to being KIDS.



Amen to that. You can see this guys berating their kids in the car for dropping a pass or missing a shot. Stop equating success on a playing field with future success in life. I am fairly certain that most of your doctors and wall street finance guys never played college sports.

Don't kid yourself, some Wall Street companies have their own teams that play. Some of the kids graduating from D-1 colleges go right into Wall Street companies based on where they played college.

Ever hear of Sector SPDR, that are at the Lake Placid tournament every year. [/quote]

No doubt there are plenty of former D1 athletes working on wall street but as a percentage of D1 athletes it's tiny. Extrapolate that back to the number of kids playing lax and the odds are infinitesimal. If it happens for your kid, great but to be obsessively focused on this as a parent is like standing in field and asking to be struck by lightning.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 06:58 PM
There are not a lot of D1 athletes that would explain why numbers are low. Percentage wise I would bet D1 athletes have a higher percentage in those jobs. I know all else being equal I would hire the person who played High level sports over person who did not. It shows a lot about the person who can take that kind of schedule and commitment and still succeed. Since 1953 I think only 3 US presidents were NOT college athletes.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a mom who happened upon this thread trying to find the schedule for Blatant Fall Jam. The comments above make sense - What is wrong with the rest of you guys? Let your kids play. Let the coaches coach. They are 12. You sound like middle school girls. You might want to invest in a good therapist to work out your passive aggressive "stuff" - rather than posting this anonymous, infantile drivel. Oh, and here's another tip - when your kid is playing - SHUT UP. Let them play the game. They want to succeed, and the coaches will correct their mistakes. Your job as a parent is to be their support, lift them up, pat them on the back, tell them you love watching them play and let then let them go back to being KIDS.



Amen to that. You can see this guys berating their kids in the car for dropping a pass or missing a shot. Stop equating success on a playing field with future success in life. I am fairly certain that most of your doctors and wall street finance guys never played college sports.

Don't kid yourself, some Wall Street companies have their own teams that play. Some of the kids graduating from D-1 colleges go right into Wall Street companies based on where they played college.

Ever hear of Sector SPDR, that are at the Lake Placid tournament every year.


No doubt there are plenty of former D1 athletes working on wall street but as a percentage of D1 athletes it's tiny. Extrapolate that back to the number of kids playing lax and the odds are infinitesimal. If it happens for your kid, great but to be obsessively focused on this as a parent is like standing in field and asking to be struck by lightning. [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 07:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are not a lot of D1 athletes that would explain why numbers are low. Percentage wise I would bet D1 athletes have a higher percentage in those jobs. I know all else being equal I would hire the person who played High level sports over person who did not. It shows a lot about the person who can take that kind of schedule and commitment and still succeed. Since 1953 I think only 3 US presidents were NOT college athletes.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a mom who happened upon this thread trying to find the schedule for Blatant Fall Jam. The comments above make sense - What is wrong with the rest of you guys? Let your kids play. Let the coaches coach. They are 12. You sound like middle school girls. You might want to invest in a good therapist to work out your passive aggressive "stuff" - rather than posting this anonymous, infantile drivel. Oh, and here's another tip - when your kid is playing - SHUT UP. Let them play the game. They want to succeed, and the coaches will correct their mistakes. Your job as a parent is to be their support, lift them up, pat them on the back, tell them you love watching them play and let then let them go back to being KIDS.



Amen to that. You can see this guys berating their kids in the car for dropping a pass or missing a shot. Stop equating success on a playing field with future success in life. I am fairly certain that most of your doctors and wall street finance guys never played college sports.

Don't kid yourself, some Wall Street companies have their own teams that play. Some of the kids graduating from D-1 colleges go right into Wall Street companies based on where they played college.

Ever hear of Sector SPDR, that are at the Lake Placid tournament every year.


No doubt there are plenty of former D1 athletes working on wall street but as a percentage of D1 athletes it's tiny. Extrapolate that back to the number of kids playing lax and the odds are infinitesimal. If it happens for your kid, great but to be obsessively focused on this as a parent is like standing in field and asking to be struck by lightning.
[/quote]

Boom - served!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/19/15 08:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who ever posted they still have the waterboy you sound like a teenage girl.
If you have something to say to the guy go up
To him and say it. My son was on the wolves a while back and loved that guy.
He was always there for the kids to bring them up ..yeah and to make sure they didn't pass out on those 110 degree summer tournaments.
Years later my kid still runs up to say hi to him when we see him.
Have anyone running up to you? Doubt it.
You sound like a bitter person to even bring up someone who tries to look out for the kids. Your obviously a parent who is jealous your kid didn't make the team
to shoot so low and even mention that guy.



+1 Agreed! Good post. No longer with the team, but he was great while my son was there!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/21/15 10:13 PM
hey - can anyone help me out - have a 7th grader - just picking up a stick - looking for a fall winter clinic that might be helpful for a beginner with stick skills etc-any suggestions? east Suffolk county thanks!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/22/15 12:02 AM
It may be hard to find beginner clinics for 7th grade. You may want to look at private lessons for fall and winter and practice himself all spring. Middle school will practice every day too in spring and play games. Then be ready for summer clinics and find a team looking for kids. Take advantage of the good weather we still have and throw against the wall. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
hey - can anyone help me out - have a 7th grader - just picking up a stick - looking for a fall winter clinic that might be helpful for a beginner with stick skills etc-any suggestions? east Suffolk county thanks!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/22/15 12:32 AM
Hey 91 Orange 2021
Is it true your team is playing Eclipse U13 this Saturday Oct. 24th?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/26/15 11:33 AM
91 Ambush looked like a B minus team being destroyed and never in any of the four games yesterday against Express North, Express Channy, Outlaws and Igloo Avalanche. Disappointing given all the talk on how good they will be this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/26/15 12:25 PM
who won it all?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/26/15 12:46 PM
Express chan
quote=Anonymous]who won it all? [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/26/15 12:48 PM
Express Channy
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/26/15 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It may be hard to find beginner clinics for 7th grade. You may want to look at private lessons for fall and winter and practice himself all spring. Middle school will practice every day too in spring and play games. Then be ready for summer clinics and find a team looking for kids. Take advantage of the good weather we still have and throw against the wall. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
hey - can anyone help me out - have a 7th grader - just picking up a stick - looking for a fall winter clinic that might be helpful for a beginner with stick skills etc-any suggestions? east Suffolk county thanks!

Poster is right. Private lessons and then wall ball everyday. Stick skills are essential to get going. Many different wall ball routines on-line. Make sure you get someone who's qualified to teach him the basics first, so he doesn't practice bad habits, or bad techniques. Best.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/26/15 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 Ambush looked like a B minus team being destroyed and never in any of the four games yesterday against Express North, Express Channy, Outlaws and Igloo Avalanche. Disappointing given all the talk on how good they will be this year.


That somebody thought they where better then their A team was really really silly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/26/15 03:26 PM
91 was awful yesterday. They played very good teams but they should have played B. They have to keep the parents happy and believe they are an A team until the last deposit is paid. Last year they were a B team and have failed to show they are an A team this year. They will be a B team again this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 Ambush looked like a B minus team being destroyed and never in any of the four games yesterday against Express North, Express Channy, Outlaws and Igloo Avalanche. Disappointing given all the talk on how good they will be this year.


That somebody thought they where better then their A team was really really silly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/26/15 04:04 PM
I would like to see how that Outlaws Black team would have done in the A bracket. They would not have won but I think they would have held their own.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/26/15 04:11 PM
The new Outlaws Black team is just as good as outlaws select , they had their full roster yesterday and dominated , they would have dominated in last week's tournament at havoc if they had all their players.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would like to see how that Outlaws Black team would have done in the A bracket. They would not have won but I think they would have held their own.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/26/15 04:42 PM
Its fall ball, everybody misses players here and there. But if the new black is as good as select they should enter the A brackets and play along side select. No need to crow, just step up
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/26/15 05:12 PM
Most people have no clue how hard that A bracket is until they play in it. Many teams have tried and failed. There are only about six A or AA teams on Long Island now that legacy and team long island are out loosing too many players.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its fall ball, everybody misses players here and there. But if the new black is as good as select they should enter the A brackets and play along side select. No need to crow, just step up
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/26/15 09:05 PM
Can you post the teams you think are top 6 on Long Island.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/26/15 09:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can you post the teams you think are top 6 on Long Island.


only 4 true A teams

igloo black ice
91 Heat
Icon
Express Channey

Outlaws Select
igloo avalance
fl$
outlaws black
Legacy Greyhounds
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/26/15 10:43 PM
Wow that is a major drop off after this first four teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/26/15 10:48 PM
What about Team Long Island? We played them 2 years ago and they were a very solid team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/26/15 10:52 PM
AA -- No order Black Ice, 91 Orange, Express Channy and Icon

A -- Outlaws Select and Maybe Avalanche. Can't call Avalanche A yet but they should be after they play and practice together.

A -- last year but lost many players Legacy Greyhounds and Team Long Island. Doubtful if A anymore.

Could be A this year fl$. They always turn into an A team in 7th grade but it is not known who they added.


Both legacy teams got beat by a lot at Legacy invitational. It is fall Lax and it should not matter but the best players did leave so can't call them A until they show something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can you post the teams you think are top 6 on Long Island.


only 4 true A teams

igloo black ice
91 Heat
Icon
Express Channey

Outlaws Select
igloo avalance
fl$
outlaws black
Legacy Greyhounds
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/26/15 11:36 PM
Express will suck with our Icon kids, and water boy coaching and playing is kids friends
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/27/15 12:27 AM
Last years TLI team is gone. There is not one player from last year on that team. When did Legacy change from Blue Knights to Greyhounds?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/27/15 12:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last years TLI team is gone. There is not one player from last year on that team. When did Legacy change from Blue Knights to Greyhounds?


Apparently they had such high turnover they changed the name.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/27/15 01:07 PM
Are the icon kids on Express for the entire year? Will they play for icon? I doubt they are guest players because Express had a lot of kids on that Channy team. Most don't play or play very little. If they are guest players taking playing time from kids on the team that is a bad situation. Express is Still a very good team. But is it worth sitting on the bench to tell your friends you play for Express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express will suck with our Icon kids, and water boy coaching and playing is kids friends
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/27/15 02:23 PM
[quote=Anonymous]Are the icon kids on Express for the entire year? Will they play for icon? I doubt they are guest players because Express had a lot of kids on that Channy team. Most don't play or play very little. If they are guest players taking playing time from kids on the team that is a bad situation. Express is Still a very good team. But is it worth sitting on the bench to tell your friends you play for Express

We all know the answer and it doesn't matter to the kids as long as they are playing.
I think it matters to the parents to say their kid plays for express.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/27/15 02:27 PM
There is also at least one Express player that will be playing with Icon as well.

Icon does not have fall ball and only starts up in the spring.

I wonder how all this will work out if either team is able to qualify for WSYL. Is it against the rules playing for two teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/27/15 02:37 PM
Same crap we heard about Ambush, who beat the [lacrosse] out of Outlaws Silver last year. I give Ambush credit for moving up to A instead of settling for dominating B. The only way they will get better is by playing better talent. They are a brand new team from what I hear, so it will take time for them to gel.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/27/15 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Are the icon kids on Express for the entire year? Will they play for icon? I doubt they are guest players because Express had a lot of kids on that Channy team. Most don't play or play very little. If they are guest players taking playing time from kids on the team that is a bad situation. Express is Still a very good team. But is it worth sitting on the bench to tell your friends you play for Express

We all know the answer and it doesn't matter to the kids as long as they are playing.
I think it matters to the parents to say their kid plays for express.


Is that man-child Express middie an Icon player? One of the Dad's joked he drove the team bus to the field. Pretty funny.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/27/15 04:10 PM
[quote=Anonymous]There is also at least one Express player that will be playing with Icon as well.

Icon does not have fall ball and only starts up in the spring.

I wonder how all this will work out if either team is able to qualify for WSYL. Is it against the rules playing for two teams?

ICON does have fall ball practice once a week and we will play in a tournament in a couple of weeks

Who cares let the kid play as much and wherever he wants its really none of our business
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/27/15 09:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What about Team Long Island? We played them 2 years ago and they were a very solid team.


Very true, they were a solid team. Split talent now. The people who hate MG left and went with Empire or elsewhere. And also, they are the only LI team to use U-13, and U-11. So they have half theirs kids playing down.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/27/15 09:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last years TLI team is gone. There is not one player from last year on that team. When did Legacy change from Blue Knights to Greyhounds?


Apparently they had such high turnover they changed the name.


The way Legacy keeps on going with losing talent, next years team will be the Chihuahua's.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/27/15 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Are the icon kids on Express for the entire year? Will they play for icon? I doubt they are guest players because Express had a lot of kids on that Channy team. Most don't play or play very little. If they are guest players taking playing time from kids on the team that is a bad situation. Express is Still a very good team. But is it worth sitting on the bench to tell your friends you play for Express

We all know the answer and it doesn't matter to the kids as long as they are playing.
I think it matters to the parents to say their kid plays for express.


Is that man-child Express middie an Icon player? One of the Dad's joked he drove the team bus to the field. Pretty funny.


he is an icon player.... And I have no beef with a kid playing on 2 teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/27/15 09:43 PM
curious...what man child?? i haven't seen one and we've been on team for years.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/27/15 11:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Are the icon kids on Express for the entire year? Will they play for icon? I doubt they are guest players because Express had a lot of kids on that Channy team. Most don't play or play very little. If they are guest players taking playing time from kids on the team that is a bad situation. Express is Still a very good team. But is it worth sitting on the bench to tell your friends you play for Express

We all know the answer and it doesn't matter to the kids as long as they are playing.
I think it matters to the parents to say their kid plays for express.




Is that man-child Express middie an Icon player? One of the Dad's joked he drove the team bus to the field. Pretty funny.


he is an icon player.... And I have no beef with a kid playing on 2 teams.


Another example of how at this level one kid can dominate and change the game. Express had plenty of talent but the man child is a game changer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/28/15 12:03 AM
The man-child reference seems to imply a big, strong player that has hit puperty early and can physically dominate players. It's not just that, to dominate you still need some good skill, but the differentiating factor is hitting puberty early. While it can make some players seems like absolute stars in those middle school years, I don't think it serves their development well. Because they start to rely on being able to physically overpower players, bodying them, etc and don't need to focus as much on refining dodging technique, speed development. Then several years later in HS everybody catches up with their growth spurts and playing that game to physically overwhelm doesn't work. Then the players that didn't have the middle school size advantage but have great skills/speed start to outshine. So there is the potential that being big early can hinder players' development ... to their detriment down the road.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/28/15 12:58 AM
Doesn't look like they suck so far.
Our icon kids? I guess your jealous some kids from your icon team moved on and your kid didn't make it.
Channy is coaching this team the waterboy has nothing to do with who is on the field. My kid is new to the team and from what I saw at the last couple of tournaments is this waterboy helping the kids out and being positive. My son told me that he's a nice guy and feels like he looks out for the team. Chaney has the reputation of playing the kids who are going to bring home the win, he doesn't care who your friends with. This kind of team doesn't work for every kid or family.
There's no need to speak negative about a team you clearly have no clue about.
People like you have a big mouth when you can post anonymously. If you have a problem with the guy either confront him or move on. You remain anonymous but everyone knows who your talking about,That doesn't seem to fair.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/28/15 11:53 AM
The Key word for you is new, so I will cut u a break. FYI Channy
Will be at 60% of the games next summer, and you
Are losing less, that when the nice guy plays all is
Kid friends, been like that for 3 years, nothing will change .
Your kid will get bumped for a non paying guess player,
Please write back to me end of July, let's see if you feel
The same way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/28/15 12:29 PM
To add a bit of common sense with such a large roster , why is it the 2nd express team has been ignored the past two years , when two strong teams can be made? The 2nd team was ultra strong years ago , now its left out to dry ! kids standing on the sidelines of channy's team in hope of getting 2-3 minutes of play during a game does absolutely nothing but mentally break down a kid , its fall and as it get closer to spring and summer these kids wont see playtime at all. . Why cant Channy split the team up and do these kids a favor , still having competitive teams and not short changing development which is running out of time at this point closing the gap into HS.
Parents insist on accepting this type of treatment for bragging rights and not whats good for their kid. If you look at the larger picture this is not only true for express but 91 Orange as well .

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Key word for you is new, so I will cut u a break. FYI Channy
Will be at 60% of the games next summer, and you
Are losing less, that when the nice guy plays all is
Kid friends, been like that for 3 years, nothing will change .
Your kid will get bumped for a non paying guess player,
Please write back to me end of July, let's see if you feel
The same way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/28/15 01:21 PM
Shaping up to be a nice weekend down in MD this for 2021's
Duke's
Leading Edge
Igloo
Express
Cooper's
Sweetlax
91 MD
Madlax
Good Luck to all safe travel's
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/28/15 01:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The man-child reference seems to imply a big, strong player that has hit puperty early and can physically dominate players. It's not just that, to dominate you still need some good skill, but the differentiating factor is hitting puberty early. While it can make some players seems like absolute stars in those middle school years, I don't think it serves their development well. Because they start to rely on being able to physically overpower players, bodying them, etc and don't need to focus as much on refining dodging technique, speed development. Then several years later in HS everybody catches up with their growth spurts and playing that game to physically overwhelm doesn't work. Then the players that didn't have the middle school size advantage but have great skills/speed start to outshine. So there is the potential that being big early can hinder players' development ... to their detriment down the road.


He was indeed a very skilled player, big, but not huge but definitely more athletically developed. Anyone who played youth sports through HS is well aware of the stories of the dominant bigger players in 8th grade fading as the rest of the kids worked through puberty. It's a tough period of years to be a youth athlete. No doubt that those dominant kids in 8th grade could continue to be standouts but what often happens is that once their size can't help them they are not willing to devote the time and effort to become better lacrosse players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/28/15 01:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doesn't look like they suck so far.
Our icon kids? I guess your jealous some kids from your icon team moved on and your kid didn't make it.
Channy is coaching this team the waterboy has nothing to do with who is on the field. My kid is new to the team and from what I saw at the last couple of tournaments is this waterboy helping the kids out and being positive. My son told me that he's a nice guy and feels like he looks out for the team. Chaney has the reputation of playing the kids who are going to bring home the win, he doesn't care who your friends with. This kind of team doesn't work for every kid or family.

There's no need to speak negative about a team you clearly have no clue about.
People like you have a big mouth when you can post anonymously. If you have a problem with the guy either confront him or move on. You remain anonymous but everyone knows who your talking about,That doesn't seem to fair.

Not familiar with the waterboy but Im on my fourth kid in travel lacrosse and have seen it evolve to the point where a parent will do just about anything to get and keep his kid on the field. By now, I have, or think I have, seen it all. If anybody thinks the waterboy isn't acting out of some degree of self interest you are kidding yourself. Instead of knocking anonymous posters on an anonymous message board maybe the waterboy should get a little self respect.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/28/15 02:20 PM
Channy wouldn't care who you are if the kid isn't playing up to level he wouldn't play them.
He would bench his own kid -
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/28/15 02:28 PM
So your saying everyone who volunteers always has a hidden agenda?
And if you volunteer you have no self respect ?
It's one thing to be a seasoned lacrosse dad but it's another to loose faith in humanity.
The negativity is like poison - you don't even know the person but assume off the bat its for the wrong reason. Maybe you been around too long it's time to retire.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/28/15 02:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So your saying everyone who volunteers always has a hidden agenda?
And if you volunteer you have no self respect ?
It's one thing to be a seasoned lacrosse dad but it's another to loose faith in humanity.
The negativity is like poison - you don't even know the person but assume off the bat its for the wrong reason. Maybe you been around too long it's time to retire.

Faith in humanity. You're joking right? Hilarious!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/28/15 04:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doesn't look like they suck so far.
Our icon kids? I guess your jealous some kids from your icon team moved on and your kid didn't make it.
Channy is coaching this team the waterboy has nothing to do with who is on the field. My kid is new to the team and from what I saw at the last couple of tournaments is this waterboy helping the kids out and being positive. My son told me that he's a nice guy and feels like he looks out for the team. Chaney has the reputation of playing the kids who are going to bring home the win, he doesn't care who your friends with. This kind of team doesn't work for every kid or family.

There's no need to speak negative about a team you clearly have no clue about.
People like you have a big mouth when you can post anonymously. If you have a problem with the guy either confront him or move on. You remain anonymous but everyone knows who your talking about,That doesn't seem to fair.

Not familiar with the waterboy but Im on my fourth kid in travel lacrosse and have seen it evolve to the point where a parent will do just about anything to get and keep his kid on the field. By now, I have, or think I have, seen it all. If anybody thinks the waterboy isn't acting out of some degree of self interest you are kidding yourself. Instead of knocking anonymous posters on an anonymous message board maybe the waterboy should get a little self respect.


Waterboy? You guys aren't referring to TC, are you?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/28/15 06:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To add a bit of common sense with such a large roster , why is it the 2nd express team has been ignored the past two years , when two strong teams can be made? The 2nd team was ultra strong years ago , now its left out to dry ! kids standing on the sidelines of channy's team in hope of getting 2-3 minutes of play during a game does absolutely nothing but mentally break down a kid , its fall and as it get closer to spring and summer these kids wont see playtime at all. . Why cant Channy split the team up and do these kids a favor , still having competitive teams and not short changing development which is running out of time at this point closing the gap into HS.
Parents insist on accepting this type of treatment for bragging rights and not whats good for their kid. If you look at the larger picture this is not only true for express but 91 Orange as well .

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Key word for you is new, so I will cut u a break. FYI Channy
Will be at 60% of the games next summer, and you
Are losing less, that when the nice guy plays all is
Kid friends, been like that for 3 years, nothing will change .
Your kid will get bumped for a non paying guess player,
Please write back to me end of July, let's see if you feel
The same way.


Express Team two is a complete waste of money. There is no interest of them developing it. You can't even get consistent coaching.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/28/15 08:21 PM
Hello u got it, big fake
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/29/15 12:27 PM
Shaping up to be a nice weekend this for 2021's
Duke's
Leading Edge
Igloo
Express
Cooper's
Sweetlax
91 MD
Madlax
Good Luck to all safe travel's


They have teams split into 2 brackets.

Igloo, Express, Dukes, and Coopers
91 Orange, Madlax, Leading Edge, and Sweetlax

Top 2 from each make semis on Sunday. Will be interesting to see the top 4.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/29/15 12:47 PM
Dukes will not win a game. O fer
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/29/15 01:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dukes will not win a game. O fer


Igloo
Expess
Leading Edge
Koopers

Is my guess
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/29/15 02:56 PM
Easy 91 wins that bracket ,soft comp.
Igloo and express should come out of that harder bracket
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/29/15 03:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Easy 91 wins that bracket ,soft comp.
Igloo and express should come out of that harder bracket



It is 91 Maryland, not 91 Orange.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/29/15 04:28 PM
Why do you say that ? Are they that bad ? Have you seen them play ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/29/15 04:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you say that ? Are they that bad ? Have you seen them play ?



Have not seen 91 MD play. They may be a good team. Just stating the 91 Orange and 91 MD are not the same team. A previous post stated that 91 Orange will be at this tournament. Orange is playing at Trilogy. Good luck to all teams at Battle on the Bay.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/29/15 07:10 PM
Was referring to the comment regardring the Dukes would not win a game
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/29/15 08:46 PM
The Legacy Greyhounds are the legacy 2021 A team. They did have a large turnover, but picked up a few solid kids from 91 Orange (heat) and a few others who have talent. Like any team in the fall, the kids need to learn to trust eachother and then they can start playing Lax as a team.
Right now the Greyhounds are unproven. They play fl$ next weekend in Massachusetts, so will see where they stand as a team in your "A" List.
But again, this is the fall. Let's talk again about this team and every other team in the spring and summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/29/15 08:52 PM
He has 29 kids on the B team, Channy does.
So with the 26 on the A team, he should make 3 teams. But they should have 22-23 kids like all other teams. His B team is 29 wo any goalies. Some kid walked off the street to play. Not even on team
Express is a joke. A team is talented though, but organization is on its way down
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/29/15 10:29 PM
You are looking at it all wrong. He is doing whatever he can to field the most talented team he can. Obviously he is not content with the team he has at this time. 91 winning it all at WSYL and all four 91 teams winning at NLF has put him under major pressure to prove they are the equal to 91. If people are unhappy they should move to another program. Long Island is filled with great summer programs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/29/15 10:56 PM
Greyhounds got beat by a lot at the Legacy tournament and the Titans looked better than Greyhounds that day. Agreed Fall Ball means nothing but when most of the team leaves they have to prove they are still the A team for Legacy. Picking up 91 Orange kids means nothing. Many of the Igloo, Express team 1 and 91 Orange kids that got cut by those teams or tried out for another top 5 team had trouble making the top 5 teams and either went back to the top 4 teams if they could get back their spot or fell to B or B plus teams like legacy, Avalanche, fl$ and Ambush. They are not difference makers. Time will tell but the Greyhounds need to do a lot better than an 8-2 loss to Avalanche when the Titans lost to Avalanche that same day 6-2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Legacy Greyhounds are the legacy 2021 A team. They did have a large turnover, but picked up a few solid kids from 91 Orange (heat) and a few others who have talent. Like any team in the fall, the kids need to learn to trust eachother and then they can start playing Lax as a team.
Right now the Greyhounds are unproven. They play fl$ next weekend in Massachusetts, so will see where they stand as a team in your "A" List.
But again, this is the fall. Let's talk again about this team and every other team in the spring and summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/30/15 12:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He has 29 kids on the B team, Channy does.
So with the 26 on the A team, he should make 3 teams. But they should have 22-23 kids like all other teams. His B team is 29 wo any goalies. Some kid walked off the street to play. Not even on team
Express is a joke. A team is talented though, but organization is on its way down


How stupid can parents be to allow a 29+ and 26+ man roster and then have kids walk on the field for tournaments? You people are getting fleeced for the "honor" of playing of the Express? Are you serious? The greatest money grab ever pulled off.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/31/15 06:35 PM
Igloo
Expess
Leading Edge
Koopers


Day 1 scores for Express: 14 - 1 vs. 91 MD, 10 - 3 vs. Dukes, and 10 - 6 vs. Koopers. Anybody have any other scores for Igloo or other teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/31/15 07:31 PM
Go Long Island. Looks like over the last few weeks Long Island 5th best and under teams gave Express more competition. These teams should all come to Long Island. But they never will. Good luck.


quote=Anonymous]Igloo
Expess
Leading Edge
Koopers


Day 1 scores for Express: 14 - 1 vs. 91 MD, 10 - 3 vs. Dukes, and 10 - 6 vs. Koopers. Anybody have any other scores for Igloo or other teams? [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/31/15 08:29 PM
That's great. Very impressive. Please post how Igloo did.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/31/15 08:47 PM
That's great. Very impressive. Please post how Igloo did.

Like Express, they also went 3-0.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/31/15 08:54 PM
Looks like the igloos and express train are headed for a collision course in the finals ...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/31/15 09:18 PM
Koopers is a solid team. They played Black Ice and only lost 7-3 last summer.
Making me think Express has really built a strong team who can now compete against Black Ice.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/31/15 09:39 PM
My guess is a lot of kids paid money to sit an watch Icon none paying kids play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 10/31/15 09:57 PM
That's rough for sure if true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 04:11 AM
OMG there is only two kids from Icon on the team but at least they are in seventh grade.Just get over it and stop being jealous
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 04:22 AM
Let me clear up 2021
Best coaching=Icon 2 world team coaches
Express= Suckers - parents pay while guest players play the whole game for free
Guest players father whores kid out.
Icon laughs at stupidity
The guest kid plays for FREE U MORONS PAY As CHANNY disrespects ALL
OF YOU IN The NAME Of fChaminade. Just the way it is
Grow a pair and stop thinking this isn't u we are laughing at
Btw enjoy your son sitting as guest player craps on you. Tolls alone make you all a joke
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 11:22 AM
]Let me clear up 2021
Best coaching=Icon 2 world team coaches
Express= Suckers - parents pay while guest players play the whole game for free
Guest players father whores kid out.
Icon laughs at stupidity
The guest kid plays for FREE U MORONS PAY As CHANNY disrespects ALL
OF YOU IN The NAME Of fChaminade. Just the way it is
Grow a pair and stop thinking this isn't u we are laughing at
Btw enjoy your son sitting as guest player craps on you. Tolls alone make you all a joke


Move on. Your obsession with express is not good for your mental or physical well being. Maybe Spend some time outdoors or with your family instead.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 12:32 PM
Jealous?, we killed u last year, will again this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 12:35 PM
here's one.......how bout the money grab lacrosse coaches interfering with PAL football season and play offs. how bout that. I'm a lacrosse coach as well as a football coach. I'm so disgusted with how this has become. right now I'm in football season and I have kids at tournaments lol and we're a play off team. another team in our division completely forfeited their play offs because they have a large number of kids that were probably told we're going to Princeton this weekend and if u play football instead you'll be banned from 91 for life. lmfao. so meanwhile now a football season is completely wasted. and don't give me oh my son has a chance at playing lacrosse in college better than he does at football. cuz one day that last college game is played and then it's off to the real world. word to the wise all you parents whose kids play lacrosse and football.....do us all a favor next football season.....don't sign your kids up for football.....you're wasting our time
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 12:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
here's one.......how bout the money grab lacrosse coaches interfering with PAL football season and play offs. how bout that. I'm a lacrosse coach as well as a football coach. I'm so disgusted with how this has become. right now I'm in football season and I have kids at tournaments lol and we're a play off team. another team in our division completely forfeited their play offs because they have a large number of kids that were probably told we're going to Princeton this weekend and if u play football instead you'll be banned from 91 for life. lmfao. so meanwhile now a football season is completely wasted. and don't give me oh my son has a chance at playing lacrosse in college better than he does at football. cuz one day that last college game is played and then it's off to the real world. word to the wise all you parents whose kids play lacrosse and football.....do us all a favor next football season.....don't sign your kids up for football.....you're wasting our time


Totally agree....but they won't drop football because they need it to tell the college coaches that they are "multisport athletes"and not just lacrosse players. In other words, many of the kids you are describing only play football to help get recruited for lax. Once they commit then they'll drop foorball like a hot potato for fear of being injured and blowing their lax deal. I have older kids and have seen this play out time and again. Feel bad for the football guys.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 01:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
here's one.......how bout the money grab lacrosse coaches interfering with PAL football season and play offs. how bout that. I'm a lacrosse coach as well as a football coach. I'm so disgusted with how this has become. right now I'm in football season and I have kids at tournaments lol and we're a play off team. another team in our division completely forfeited their play offs because they have a large number of kids that were probably told we're going to Princeton this weekend and if u play football instead you'll be banned from 91 for life. lmfao. so meanwhile now a football season is completely wasted. and don't give me oh my son has a chance at playing lacrosse in college better than he does at football. cuz one day that last college game is played and then it's off to the real world. word to the wise all you parents whose kids play lacrosse and football.....do us all a favor next football season.....don't sign your kids up for football.....you're wasting our time


Totally agree....but they won't drop football because they need it to tell the college coaches that they are "multisport athletes"and not just lacrosse players. In other words, many of the kids you are describing only play football to help get recruited for lax. Once they commit then they'll drop foorball like a hot potato for fear of being injured and blowing their lax deal. I have older kids and have seen this play out time and again. Feel bad for the football guys.
Yeah I mean don't get me wrong I coach both sports and I'd be equally annoyed if my team was in a tournament in lacrosse season and one of my players said I can't play lacrosse today u have soccer or basketball. commit for God sakes. it's not fair to your coaches who devote their time to you guys each season and now like I said here's the play offs which you work all year for and one of the better teams forfeits to go play lacrosse. zero class. thank God the team I was supposed to play forfeited too because some of my kids decided to play lacrosse too this weekend as if as a seventh grader hopkins was banging their door down. give it a rest.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 02:06 PM
LI is the premier hotbed for lacrosse, would not expect anything else. Coaches need to know the players better and that they might jump ship for a lax tournament. Do your job as a coach and have depth.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 02:29 PM
We will see what a difference maker the icon player is today when Express plays Black Ice. If it is a tight game or Express wins I don't see Icon players leaving Express.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 02:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He has 29 kids on the B team, Channy does.
So with the 26 on the A team, he should make 3 teams. But they should have 22-23 kids like all other teams. His B team is 29 wo any goalies. Some kid walked off the street to play. Not even on team
Express is a joke. A team is talented though, but organization is on its way down


on its way down with too many kids. you should rethink that thought. people won't play on B let alone C. give me a break.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 03:21 PM
It's odd that a parent that is not on Express is so worried about what they do. Obviously it's right for those families or they would not be there. Make your team better and beat them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 03:42 PM
His kid probably doesn't even care about express but the dad is a jealous nut who can't let it go. Go worry about your kids new team and move on. Obviously the parents of express wouldn't pay for something that they weren't happy with. No one needs your negative comments to explain how express works - if your kid moved on you should too.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 05:25 PM
Looks like the igloos and express train are headed for a collision course in the finals ...

Igloo vs. Dukes and Express vs. Sweetlax both won big in the semis. LI showdown in the finals.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 06:21 PM
Anybody have the score from the express/igloo game?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 06:22 PM
Looks like the igloos and express train are headed for a collision course in the finals ...

Igloo vs. Dukes and Express vs. Sweetlax both won big in the semis. LI showdown in the finals.

7-6 Express at the half.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 07:49 PM
And the final score?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 08:27 PM
And the final score?


Was 10-10 with a few minutes left and Igloo scored the final 3. 13-10 final. Was tied at 4 and 8 and 10. Many lead changes. Great game.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 08:30 PM
Come on your killing us. Whats the final?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 09:29 PM
Looks like they were able to contain the big midfielder in the 2nd half.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/01/15 10:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And the final score?


igloo wins
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 12:44 AM


It would be nice if the top four teams on Long Island could set up a weekend where the teams play each other two times over a weekend and then the top two teams play for the championship. Last year igloo set up a four way that included Express but Igloo will now avoid Express. Today was too close of a game for them to risk playing Express again voluntarily. Black ice only plays 20 to 25 games a year to avoid loses. All the other AA teams play almost double the number of games a year. Igloo has the field time to set something up. It would be great for all four teams. Doubtful it will happen after today.

igloo wins [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 12:53 AM
What a stupid comment
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 01:16 AM
Black ice only plays 20-25 games a year and other clubs play twice as many??? Good, sounds reasonable. 50 games a year for a middle school age team?? Ridiculous. No boys this age should be playing that many. Only if you're trying to build mini lax robots ... that will ultimately burn out. And forget about being a multi sport athlete if you play that many lax games ...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 01:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous


It would be nice if the top four teams on Long Island could set up a weekend where the teams play each other two times over a weekend and then the top two teams play for the championship. Last year igloo set up a four way that included Express but Igloo will now avoid Express. Today was too close of a game for them to risk playing Express again voluntarily. Black ice only plays 20 to 25 games a year to avoid loses. All the other AA teams play almost double the number of games a year. Igloo has the field time to set something up. It would be great for all four teams. Doubtful it will happen after today.

igloo wins
[/quote]

pretty sure igloo doesn't need to prove anything. go find them at one of their tourneys if you want a rematch that badly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 02:36 AM
Last year you saw teams start to catch up to igloo. Years of playing no competition has hurt them. This team helped build and develop the igloo program by destroying everyone but the players may not have develop as much as they could have playing mostly lopsided games. They are better off playing closer games and maybe not winning every game. You get better playing close games. That's how kids will get better. Parents are too much into wins and losses which mean nothing. The best programs put teams in games that will be competitive.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 03:02 AM
Sounds like you're a disgruntled losing football dad and coach. Thanks for the offer but we're more than satisfied with having won out lax tourney today in addition to having won the the last 20 plus football games. Lol!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 03:24 AM
Black Ice is the class of 2021 but Express, 91, Icon & Eclipse has closed the gap and made it interesting. This spring and summer will be fun.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 03:41 AM
Did any out of state kids play for igloo today?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 12:12 PM
I didn't know there were zip code restrictions for travel teams? As long as a player makes practices, it should not matter where they travel from.

FYI, i would also think all the kids were "out of state" since none of them reside in Maryland" dad smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 12:17 PM
It was a great game played by both teams! Many lead changes, great lax play throughout. Playing at these levels will only improve both teams moving forward. Congrats to both teams for putting on an exciting game to watch.
Long island has some amazing lax players and its nice to drive 4 plus hours to watch our kids play verse each other instead of a 20 or 30 minute drive to a neighboring local field on turf and not hay like grass smile
Overall, it was an exciting game!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 12:41 PM
I guess that means the kid who does not live on Long island did play for Igloo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I didn't know there were zip code restrictions for travel teams? As long as a player makes practices, it should not matter where they travel from.

FYI, i would also think all the kids were "out of state" since none of them reside in Maryland" dad smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 12:47 PM
Since July Icon and Express have played Black Ice very close. Black Ice did not play 91 Orange Heat last year. When they finally play that should be a great game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 02:06 PM
Did any Icon kids play for Express in that game?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did any out of state kids play for igloo today?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 02:14 PM
Probably, they are on the team, right? Anything wrong with that? They can draw from wherever they want. I don't get it, but no foul...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 02:18 PM
Did everyone play on team channy in championship game ?



quote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And the final score?


igloo wins [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 02:20 PM
Not for this tournament - agree - no zip code restrictions and for most, but for World Series - gotta live within 99 miles......so may make a difference for some clubs - birth certificates certainly will too. Especially for Crabs who have a kid that is aged for 9th grade on team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 02:26 PM
You better get used to players from other teams playing for Express. No disrespect to Black Ice but they have no recruitment history. As these kids go into 8th and 9th grade and older Express, 91 and fl$ are going to keep getting stronger by the best kids going to those teams. Black Ice will loose players to these teams as well. The only reason kids want play for Black Ice now is because they are so much better than all the other teams. If they loose that dominance they will also loose top players.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did any Icon kids play for Express in that game?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did any out of state kids play for igloo today?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 02:31 PM
Do other teams use "guest Players" borrowed from other teams in tournaments or is that just an Express phenomenon?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You better get used to players from other teams playing for Express. No disrespect to Black Ice but they have no recruitment history. As these kids go into 8th and 9th grade and older Express, 91 and fl$ are going to keep getting stronger by the best kids going to those teams. Black Ice will loose players to these teams as well. The only reason kids want play for Black Ice now is because they are so much better than all the other teams. If they loose that dominance they will also loose top players.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did any Icon kids play for Express in that game?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did any out of state kids play for igloo today?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 03:01 PM
These guest players will be full time Express at some point. Who knows what other teams do and it does not matter you play the team that is on the field against you. The top four teams Teams let kids play for free That is just as bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do other teams use "guest Players" borrowed from other teams in tournaments or is that just an Express phenomenon?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You better get used to players from other teams playing for Express. No disrespect to Black Ice but they have no recruitment history. As these kids go into 8th and 9th grade and older Express, 91 and fl$ are going to keep getting stronger by the best kids going to those teams. Black Ice will loose players to these teams as well. The only reason kids want play for Black Ice now is because they are so much better than all the other teams. If they loose that dominance they will also loose top players.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did any Icon kids play for Express in that game?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did any out of state kids play for igloo today?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/02/15 11:24 PM
My 2 cents is black Ice, Express, 91, Icon, Laxachusettes Black & Eclipse will be fighting for the four spots at regionals (WSYL).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 11:33 AM
Why dont they just hold the WSYL at Hofstra to save all the Long Island parents a ton of money.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 12:46 PM
April 2nd & 3rd will be cold in Mass.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 12:55 PM
AA came out with a double LSM on the face and express ponied up 3-0 quick. AA's experimental Defense did not work and if he did not shift back to his normal Defense, Express would of ran the score up all day! Good try AA, next time Express will adjust and make it an even closer game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
AA came out with a double LSM on the face and express ponied up 3-0 quick. AA's experimental Defense did not work and if he did not shift back to his normal Defense, Express would of ran the score up all day! Good try AA, next time Express will adjust and make it an even closer game.


How did the FO battle go between Igloo and Express?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 02:05 PM
Expressed crushed igloo for just about a half and then igloo's FO guys took control.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expressed crushed igloo for just about a half and then igloo's FO guys took control.


Unfortunately you need to play a full game to win and thats what Igloo did.

curios to see where your guest player will be playing in April ???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 02:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expressed crushed igloo for just about a half and then igloo's FO guys took control.


Unfortunately you need to play a full game to win and thats what Igloo did.

curios to see where your guest player will be playing in April ???



Igloo will be extremely tough to beat this year. That team has incredible talent. Express can not compete with Igloo without the guest players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expressed crushed igloo for just about a half and then igloo's FO guys took control.


Unfortunately you need to play a full game to win and thats what Igloo did.

curios to see where your guest player will be playing in April ???


Both teams played a full game and competed hard to the very end. Clearly Igloo is immensely talented; this was obvious. Express is also very talented and plays with great intensity. These games come down to a few studs on both sides making plays. Express goalie was tremendous. Igloo close D was outstanding. The best player on the field and likely the entire tournament was the big Igloo middie from Manhasset who shoots the ball 100mph. He is the straw that stirs the drink on that team. Without him, Igloo does not win that game on that particular day. No excuses and the argument goes both ways I suppose. Bottom line it was a just a great game to watch.

Igloo will be extremely tough to beat this year. That team has incredible talent. Express can not compete with Igloo without the guest players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 05:49 PM
And who are all these guest players???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 05:52 PM
Didn't a previous poster say that the score was 7-6 at half? Granted, I was an engineering major and not a math major, but how is that a crush?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expressed crushed igloo for just about a half and then igloo's FO guys took control.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 05:55 PM
Lots of great talent on both sides of the ball. How many of the Express goals came from the two Icon "guest" players?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expressed crushed igloo for just about a half and then igloo's FO guys took control.


Unfortunately you need to play a full game to win and thats what Igloo did.

curios to see where your guest player will be playing in April ???


Both teams played a full game and competed hard to the very end. Clearly Igloo is immensely talented; this was obvious. Express is also very talented and plays with great intensity. These games come down to a few studs on both sides making plays. Express goalie was tremendous. Igloo close D was outstanding. The best player on the field and likely the entire tournament was the big Igloo middie from Manhasset who shoots the ball 100mph. He is the straw that stirs the drink on that team. Without him, Igloo does not win that game on that particular day. No excuses and the argument goes both ways I suppose. Bottom line it was a just a great game to watch.

Igloo will be extremely tough to beat this year. That team has incredible talent. Express can not compete with Igloo without the guest players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 06:29 PM
Nonsense. This constant moaning about "guest" players centers on one kid who, while admittedly very good, is far from the reason this team is so strong. Whining about this one player does a total disservice to the rest of the team, which has talented kids who play their [lacrosse] off. BTW this kid wants to play Icon with his buddies but will stay with Express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expressed crushed igloo for just about a half and then igloo's FO guys took control.


Unfortunately you need to play a full game to win and thats what Igloo did.

curios to see where your guest player will be playing in April ???



Igloo will be extremely tough to beat this year. That team has incredible talent. Express can not compete with Igloo without the guest players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 08:00 PM
what are you talking about two guest players? from what i know there was only 1 and he's from an express family already and will play with them in the fall. dominating guest players???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 08:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nonsense. This constant moaning about "guest" players centers on one kid who, while admittedly very good, is far from the reason this team is so strong. Whining about this one player does a total disservice to the rest of the team, which has talented kids who play their [lacrosse] off. BTW this kid wants to play Icon with his buddies but will stay with Express.

Who did Express pick up this year? Why are they better than last year? Don't tell me better coaching and player development.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expressed crushed igloo for just about a half and then igloo's FO guys took control.


Unfortunately you need to play a full game to win and thats what Igloo did.

curios to see where your guest player will be playing in April ???



Igloo will be extremely tough to beat this year. That team has incredible talent. Express can not compete with Igloo without the guest players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 08:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are you talking about two guest players? from what i know there was only 1 and he's from an express family already and will play with them in the fall. dominating guest players???


Who cares move on this from an Igloo parent thank you express for a great game wish we could play every week . Great job see ya soon
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 09:43 PM
Let's see if the guest player goes back to Icon. Whoever said he wasn't a difference maker was not paying attention. He is by far the best player on Express. Big, strong, fast with skills at 2021 that's dominating. Thinking that's why Icon played Black Ice to a one goal game last summer. Two 2021 teams played Black Ice to a tight game and there was one common denominator (guest player). Let's just be thankful he's not on Black Ice.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 09:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what are you talking about two guest players? from what i know there was only 1 and he's from an express family already and will play with them in the fall. dominating guest players???


Who cares move on this from an Igloo parent thank you express for a great game wish we could play every week . Great job see ya soon


LOL......would you rather we discuss your player from PA or how your team represented itself as 2021 for it's entire existence while having grade inappropriate players? Or how about we broach the subject of players with summer and fall 2002 birthdays who should be in 8th grade but are in 7th?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 09:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's see if the guest player goes back to Icon. Whoever said he wasn't a difference maker was not paying attention. He is by far the best player on Express. Big, strong, fast with skills at 2021 that's dominating. Thinking that's why Icon played Black Ice to a one goal game last summer. Two 2021 teams played Black Ice to a tight game and there was one common denominator (guest player). Let's just be thankful he's not on Black Ice.


Not sure who you think the Icon guest player was, but he is not a big, strong kid. Guest player is smaller, quick, and highly skilled kid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 10:09 PM
That "guest Player" is far from big and strong. Yes, he is very good. Great stick skills and sees the field well but he is NOT big and strong. Think we are talking about the wrong kid here...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 10:17 PM
Ha! The kid you're talking about is and always has been express. End. Stop.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/03/15 10:22 PM
The big strong kid owns New [lacrosse] City
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/04/15 03:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The big strong kid owns New [lacrosse] City


Bloomberg is still playing lacrosse. How many times can you hold someone back! Jeezz
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/04/15 12:35 PM
If igloo is that good, self proclaimed, stop whining about "guest" players. Just continue to beat any 2021 team you face.
I would have more respect for the igloo clan if they would stop belly aching and just play and beat who you compete against and stop saying it is because of "guest players".
You guys won, it was a great game and so was the icon game from last year. Can't you admit these games are far batter than the 20-3 games?
I hope we meet up again and would love to be the 2021 team to hand you guys your first age bracket loss in sometime. Kudo's to you guys, but see you soon enough smile
PS, is 91 playing hide and seek? lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/04/15 12:48 PM
So now we know both teams are great and neither one is perfect. Right now Igloo is still the best but Igloo parents are not used to teams playing them so close. They better get used to closer games. As the kids get older the age advantage igloo enjoys will be less. Also as time goes on Parents will wake up and move kids to teams that have a history and relationships with many colleges. It happens all the time as the kids get older. Igloo ,91 and Express are so close in talent all it will take is for igloo to loose one top five player to knock them off as the number one team. Once they are not number one more kids will leave. It Has happened many times in the past when the best team for an age group has less college conections compared to teams number two and three. The best teams are only as good as their top five players. Take away the top five kids from all these teams and there is no difference between team one and team number 8. You will learn it means nothing to be on the best team. It is all about the college conections starting next year. The 2021 age group will be no different from all the older age groups and all the best kids will go to 91, express and fl$ over the next two years. This arguing now on who is the best is nonsense.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/04/15 04:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now we know both teams are great and neither one is perfect. Right now Igloo is still the best but Igloo parents are not used to teams playing them so close. They better get used to closer games. As the kids get older the age advantage igloo enjoys will be less. Also as time goes on Parents will wake up and move kids to teams that have a history and relationships with many colleges. It happens all the time as the kids get older. Igloo ,91 and Express are so close in talent all it will take is for igloo to loose one top five player to knock them off as the number one team. Once they are not number one more kids will leave. It Has happened many times in the past when the best team for an age group has less college conections compared to teams number two and three. The best teams are only as good as their top five players. Take away the top five kids from all these teams and there is no difference between team one and team number 8. You will learn it means nothing to be on the best team. It is all about the college conections starting next year. The 2021 age group will be no different from all the older age groups and all the best kids will go to 91, express and fl$ over the next two years. This arguing now on who is the best is nonsense.


No connection to Igloo, but anyone's who been in common tournaments with Tourney Machine knows that had something like 3 1-goal wins this Summer. And, WSL may be a load of BS, but if they go and win it and keep getting invites to play up like Crush seems to have, do you really think those kids will need to switch teams for recruiting purposes?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/04/15 06:24 PM
Top 5 kids on Igloo... No they won't need help if grades are above a 90. If grades below a 90 it will be a different story. The rest of the kids without a doubt they will need a lot of help. I bet an Express, 91 or fl$ kid will get the desired spots before anyone else. My son played for one of those three teams and it is amazing what they can do for a kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now we know both teams are great and neither one is perfect. Right now Igloo is still the best but Igloo parents are not used to teams playing them so close. They better get used to closer games. As the kids get older the age advantage igloo enjoys will be less. Also as time goes on Parents will wake up and move kids to teams that have a history and relationships with many colleges. It happens all the time as the kids get older. Igloo ,91 and Express are so close in talent all it will take is for igloo to loose one top five player to knock them off as the number one team. Once they are not number one more kids will leave. It Has happened many times in the past when the best team for an age group has less college conections compared to teams number two and three. The best teams are only as good as their top five players. Take away the top five kids from all these teams and there is no difference between team one and team number 8. You will learn it means nothing to be on the best team. It is all about the college conections starting next year. The 2021 age group will be no different from all the older age groups and all the best kids will go to 91, express and fl$ over the next two years. This arguing now on who is the best is nonsense.


No connection to Igloo, but anyone's who been in common tournaments with Tourney Machine knows that had something like 3 1-goal wins this Summer. And, WSL may be a load of BS, but if they go and win it and keep getting invites to play up like Crush seems to have, do you really think those kids will need to switch teams for recruiting purposes?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/04/15 06:54 PM
Those top kids would have no limits if they play for a team that knows college coaches and are trusted. A team that has never got a kid into a college and has limited conections will only be able to help a top kid so much. My bet would be less talented Express kids land in a better spot than a more talented kid from a team with less college contacts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 5 kids on Igloo... No they won't need help if grades are above a 90. If grades below a 90 it will be a different story. The rest of the kids without a doubt they will need a lot of help. I bet an Express, 91 or fl$ kid will get the desired spots before anyone else. My son played for one of those three teams and it is amazing what they can do for a kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now we know both teams are great and neither one is perfect. Right now Igloo is still the best but Igloo parents are not used to teams playing them so close. They better get used to closer games. As the kids get older the age advantage igloo enjoys will be less. Also as time goes on Parents will wake up and move kids to teams that have a history and relationships with many colleges. It happens all the time as the kids get older. Igloo ,91 and Express are so close in talent all it will take is for igloo to loose one top five player to knock them off as the number one team. Once they are not number one more kids will leave. It Has happened many times in the past when the best team for an age group has less college conections compared to teams number two and three. The best teams are only as good as their top five players. Take away the top five kids from all these teams and there is no difference between team one and team number 8. You will learn it means nothing to be on the best team. It is all about the college conections starting next year. The 2021 age group will be no different from all the older age groups and all the best kids will go to 91, express and fl$ over the next two years. This arguing now on who is the best is nonsense.


No connection to Igloo, but anyone's who been in common tournaments with Tourney Machine knows that had something like 3 1-goal wins this Summer. And, WSL may be a load of BS, but if they go and win it and keep getting invites to play up like Crush seems to have, do you really think those kids will need to switch teams for recruiting purposes?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/04/15 09:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If igloo is that good, self proclaimed, stop whining about "guest" players. Just continue to beat any 2021 team you face.
I would have more respect for the igloo clan if they would stop belly aching and just play and beat who you compete against and stop saying it is because of "guest players".
You guys won, it was a great game and so was the icon game from last year. Can't you admit these games are far batter than the 20-3 games?
I hope we meet up again and would love to be the 2021 team to hand you guys your first age bracket loss in sometime. Kudo's to you guys, but see you soon enough smile And I think thats what this post is about. A guy who can't stand that his kids team can't beat Igloo and they continue to dominate at 2021.
PS, is 91 playing hide and seek? lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/04/15 09:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Those top kids would have no limits if they play for a team that knows college coaches and are trusted. A team that has never got a kid into a college and has limited conections will only be able to help a top kid so much. My bet would be less talented Express kids land in a better spot than a more talented kid from a team with less college contacts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 5 kids on Igloo... No they won't need help if grades are above a 90. If grades below a 90 it will be a different story. The rest of the kids without a doubt they will need a lot of help. I bet an Express, 91 or fl$ kid will get the desired spots before anyone else. My son played for one of those three teams and it is amazing what they can do for a kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now we know both teams are great and neither one is perfect. Right now Igloo is still the best but Igloo parents are not used to teams playing them so close. They better get used to closer games. As the kids get older the age advantage igloo enjoys will be less. Also as time goes on Parents will wake up and move kids to teams that have a history and relationships with many colleges. It happens all the time as the kids get older. Igloo ,91 and Express are so close in talent all it will take is for igloo to loose one top five player to knock them off as the number one team. Once they are not number one more kids will leave. It Has happened many times in the past when the best team for an age group has less college conections compared to teams number two and three. The best teams are only as good as their top five players. Take away the top five kids from all these teams and there is no difference between team one and team number 8. You will learn it means nothing to be on the best team. It is all about the college conections starting next year. The 2021 age group will be no different from all the older age groups and all the best kids will go to 91, express and fl$ over the next two years. This arguing now on who is the best is nonsense.


No connection to Igloo, but anyone's who been in common tournaments with Tourney Machine knows that had something like 3 1-goal wins this Summer. And, WSL may be a load of BS, but if they go and win it and keep getting invites to play up like Crush seems to have, do you really think those kids will need to switch teams for recruiting purposes?


Sorry but Igloo is the top of 2021. WHen coaches start looking at the top talent they will look at Igloo, Rich Kotite could be their coach , if the college coaches see the talent then thats all she wrote .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/04/15 09:46 PM
Just because a kid is on Igloo does not mean he will play college. Over the years most of the kids that left Igloo voluntarily or got cut could not make another AA or even A team and are on B teams now. Avalanche has many old Black Ice players and they are a B plus team at best. Avalanche with all those former black Ice kids got beat By Express 11-2 a couple of weeks ago. Sorry college coaches don't care what team a kid is on. They turn to programs and directors they know and trust.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Those top kids would have no limits if they play for a team that knows college coaches and are trusted. A team that has never got a kid into a college and has limited conections will only be able to help a top kid so much. My bet would be less talented Express kids land in a better spot than a more talented kid from a team with less college contacts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 5 kids on Igloo... No they won't need help if grades are above a 90. If grades below a 90 it will be a different story. The rest of the kids without a doubt they will need a lot of help. I bet an Express, 91 or fl$ kid will get the desired spots before anyone else. My son played for one of those three teams and it is amazing what they can do for a kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now we know both teams are great and neither one is perfect. Right now Igloo is still the best but Igloo parents are not used to teams playing them so close. They better get used to closer games. As the kids get older the age advantage igloo enjoys will be less. Also as time goes on Parents will wake up and move kids to teams that have a history and relationships with many colleges. It happens all the time as the kids get older. Igloo ,91 and Express are so close in talent all it will take is for igloo to loose one top five player to knock them off as the number one team. Once they are not number one more kids will leave. It Has happened many times in the past when the best team for an age group has less college conections compared to teams number two and three. The best teams are only as good as their top five players. Take away the top five kids from all these teams and there is no difference between team one and team number 8. You will learn it means nothing to be on the best team. It is all about the college conections starting next year. The 2021 age group will be no different from all the older age groups and all the best kids will go to 91, express and fl$ over the next two years. This arguing now on who is the best is nonsense.


No connection to Igloo, but anyone's who been in common tournaments with Tourney Machine knows that had something like 3 1-goal wins this Summer. And, WSL may be a load of BS, but if they go and win it and keep getting invites to play up like Crush seems to have, do you really think those kids will need to switch teams for recruiting purposes?


Sorry but Igloo is the top of 2021. WHen coaches start looking at the top talent they will look at Igloo, Rich Kotite could be their coach , if the college coaches see the talent then thats all she wrote .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/04/15 11:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just because a kid is on Igloo does not mean he will play college. Over the years most of the kids that left Igloo voluntarily or got cut could not make another AA or even A team and are on B teams now. Avalanche has many old Black Ice players and they are a B plus team at best. Avalanche with all those former black Ice kids got beat By Express 11-2 a couple of weeks ago. Sorry college coaches don't care what team a kid is on. They turn to programs and directors they know and trust.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Those top kids would have no limits if they play for a team that knows college coaches and are trusted. A team that has never got a kid into a college and has limited conections will only be able to help a top kid so much. My bet would be less talented Express kids land in a better spot than a more talented kid from a team with less college contacts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 5 kids on Igloo... No they won't need help if grades are above a 90. If grades below a 90 it will be a different story. The rest of the kids without a doubt they will need a lot of help. I bet an Express, 91 or fl$ kid will get the desired spots before anyone else. My son played for one of those three teams and it is amazing what they can do for a kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now we know both teams are great and neither one is perfect. Right now Igloo is still the best but Igloo parents are not used to teams playing them so close. They better get used to closer games. As the kids get older the age advantage igloo enjoys will be less. Also as time goes on Parents will wake up and move kids to teams that have a history and relationships with many colleges. It happens all the time as the kids get older. Igloo ,91 and Express are so close in talent all it will take is for igloo to loose one top five player to knock them off as the number one team. Once they are not number one more kids will leave. It Has happened many times in the past when the best team for an age group has less college conections compared to teams number two and three. The best teams are only as good as their top five players. Take away the top five kids from all these teams and there is no difference between team one and team number 8. You will learn it means nothing to be on the best team. It is all about the college conections starting next year. The 2021 age group will be no different from all the older age groups and all the best kids will go to 91, express and fl$ over the next two years. This arguing now on who is the best is nonsense.


No connection to Igloo, but anyone's who been in common tournaments with Tourney Machine knows that had something like 3 1-goal wins this Summer. And, WSL may be a load of BS, but if they go and win it and keep getting invites to play up like Crush seems to have, do you really think those kids will need to switch teams for recruiting purposes?


Sorry but Igloo is the top of 2021. WHen coaches start looking at the top talent they will look at Igloo, Rich Kotite could be their coach , if the college coaches see the talent then thats all she wrote .



Yeah, thats what they do, When they get a call from a a director of the proper club team they automatically send out a scholarship letter. Sorry, but these coaches need to see these kids play with their own eyes. If Igloo ends up being the best team in the Nation this year coaches will watch them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/04/15 11:28 PM
This is an interesting debate. On the one hand, Igloo has been the best 2021 team and seems to have added talent with an eye towards the WSL. How will they not get invites to the best tournaments over the next couple years? Will their players really not get showcase spots? Maybe not.

When one looks at the 2019 early commits and even the 2018 commits, they are concentrated among a remarkably small number of clubs. Either these clubs attract the best players in the country or college coaches are "efficient, to put it nicely, in how they evaluate and recruit talent or, perhaps, rely on or follow the recommendations of club coaches.

It's insane to think that the entire recruiting circus for 2021's may start in less than 12 months, if not earlier, and in any event in about 18 months.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 02:32 AM
Not if igloo can't get in the tournaments that the coaches are at !
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 03:40 AM
Assume Igloo will not attempt to use the alleged out of state player in the WSYL Qualifier and Tournament - home addresses and birth certificates are required submissions to enter
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 04:22 AM
Coaches will go to programs they know and trust not a new program trying to make a name with one talented team. Playing ability is only part of the equation. There is character , work ethic and much more. This type of information comes from the club teams and it requires a high degree of trust and credibility. You are nuts if you think one great team in a program buys credibility for an unknown director. If the number one team's best players were to leave and go to Express or 91 those teams would be the number one team talent wise and those kids would have the benefit of the recruitment history of those teams. Why risk it with an unknown? You get one chance at this. Do you even know your teams future plans for recruitment help? All it takes is a couple of top kids to leave the number one team and there goes the best team will be followed by colleges theory. Further beating Express by three goals and icon by one is not so impressive to college coaches that it would make them follow that team around. Good luck in the future and we all hope it works for you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 11:13 AM
Keep hating. smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 12:33 PM
You make a valid point above in regards to "why risk the unkown". My question though, if a program has a winning team which consistently wins at high levels regardless of 1 or 2 goal victories. Why would college coaches elect not to see why this team and coaching staff are winning? Don't you think just out of curiosity they would want to see what sets them apart?
i am sure when 91 and express first broke onto the lax scene, they had one or two team's as well and over time they built their own empire. Why hate on a director who is completely hands on, many, many of the players and parents love him and he truly cares about the game and your child's lacrosse development.
i don't know nor do i understand this. i can only say the group of boys on the team may not be the best of the best by themselves, but as a unit, they most certainly are. Yes, the team has its studs as every team does, but those that may not shine as bright certainly are nothing less than "A" players as well. I wish igloo well and i hope when and if they lose they learn from it and continue to win and play at such a high level.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 12:36 PM
No one is hating. It is just very funny that Black Ice parents think colleges are so impressed with this team that they are going to follow this team around because they beat Icon by one goal and Express by three goals. If you think about it it makes no sense but we get it , you want to believe it is true so you will ignore logic. It is like talking to a kid who joined a cult and ignores logic and believes the cult leader no matter what. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep hating. smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 03:08 PM
You stating this team is a B+ team at best shows where the line of thinking is coming from. You can't say much about the other 2021 team so you try to make a point with the what you call the "B Team". I am sure you know someone on this team as you took the liberty of commenting about some kids leaving and not making AA teams, and their successes or failures as you describe. What you fail to realize is the 2021 kids not on any "AA Team"s have something to work towards. Developing your son into a better player whether it be skill, confidence, or strength should always be the main objective. I speak from recent experience (As you probably cannot) many of these kids in 2021 regardless of team will have an opportunity to go showcase and personally compete. If your son is that good he will get the invites and looks he deserves. Committing to a school in 8/9th Grade for lacrosse doesn't always work out in favor of the student. Wait These kids are 12 years old..they are just students right?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 03:20 PM
Best 2021 Goalie:
1)Express
2)91 (close 2nd)
3)Icon
4)Igloo

Best 2021 Defense:
1)igloo
2)91
3)Icon
4)Express

Best 2021 1st Middie Line:
1)Express
2)Igloo
3)91
4)Icon

Best 2021 Attack:
1)Express, Igloo & 91
2)Icon

Best 2021 Bench:
1)Igloo
2)91 & Express
3)Icon

Best 2021 Head coach:
1)Icon & 91
2)Igloo
3)Express

Best recruitment system:
1)91 & Express hands down
2)Icon
3)Igloo

Any thoughts, kinda of fun no?
I Believe these are the top teams in the northeast hands down and are going to Lax world series. And guess what they are all from LI..


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 03:35 PM
the point is just because a kid plays for black ice, express Channy or 91 heat does not mean the kid is an A player or will play college lax. Kids that left all three of these teams the last few years tried out for A and AA teams and did not make them. Nothing wrong with being on a B team as there are many A and AA kids on those teams and are having fun and great for learning. Parents have got to wake up. talent only gets you so far. The old saying goes it's not what you know but it is who you know. That is true more so in the lax word.

quote=Anonymous]You stating this team is a B+ team at best shows where the line of thinking is coming from. You can't say much about the other 2021 team so you try to make a point with the what you call the "B Team". I am sure you know someone on this team as you took the liberty of commenting about some kids leaving and not making AA teams, and their successes or failures as you describe. What you fail to realize is the 2021 kids not on any "AA Team"s have something to work towards. Developing your son into a better player whether it be skill, confidence, or strength should always be the main objective. I speak from recent experience (As you probably cannot) many of these kids in 2021 regardless of team will have an opportunity to go showcase and personally compete. If your son is that good he will get the invites and looks he deserves. Committing to a school in 8/9th Grade for lacrosse doesn't always work out in favor of the student. Wait These kids are 12 years old..they are just students right? [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 04:14 PM
When you list best positions, coach's, etc., it is a opinion, but the recruitment process. Very hard to judge Icon and Igloo in the recruitment process as they are kind of new to it as a organization, but you have to be kidding me that if anyone does not think the coach's at Icon would not have more input with any college over anyone of the other teams you are completely wrong. When it comes time I can't imagine any coach in the country will not take their word over any of the other in a heart beat, not even close. They are two of the most respected people in lacrosse. I think they have more experience in what is best and who they can call than all the others combined.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 04:37 PM
As for the discussion of best att,mid,def,coach, are you including the Icon mid with Express, if so I would agree, if not Igloo has the best mid, Icon has the best attack group and Igloo has best def. As far as the other post they are right on with the input the Icon staff will have in the future with recruiting over all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 05:12 PM
Yes, i am including the little guy without him they dont have a face off guy and i do agree with the icon coach input, thats why they are 2nd.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 05:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just because a kid is on Igloo does not mean he will play college. Over the years most of the kids that left Igloo voluntarily or got cut could not make another AA or even A team and are on B teams now. Avalanche has many old Black Ice players and they are a B plus team at best. Avalanche with all those former black Ice kids got beat By Express 11-2 a couple of weeks ago. Sorry college coaches don't care what team a kid is on. They turn to programs and directors they know and trust.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Those top kids would have no limits if they play for a team that knows college coaches and are trusted. A team that has never got a kid into a college and has limited conections will only be able to help a top kid so much. My bet would be less talented Express kids land in a better spot than a more talented kid from a team with less college contacts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 5 kids on Igloo... No they won't need help if grades are above a 90. If grades below a 90 it will be a different story. The rest of the kids without a doubt they will need a lot of help. I bet an Express, 91 or fl$ kid will get the desired spots before anyone else. My son played for one of those three teams and it is amazing what they can do for a kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now we know both teams are great and neither one is perfect. Right now Igloo is still the best but Igloo parents are not used to teams playing them so close. They better get used to closer games. As the kids get older the age advantage igloo enjoys will be less. Also as time goes on Parents will wake up and move kids to teams that have a history and relationships with many colleges. It happens all the time as the kids get older. Igloo ,91 and Express are so close in talent all it will take is for igloo to loose one top five player to knock them off as the number one team. Once they are not number one more kids will leave. It Has happened many times in the past when the best team for an age group has less college conections compared to teams number two and three. The best teams are only as good as their top five players. Take away the top five kids from all these teams and there is no difference between team one and team number 8. You will learn it means nothing to be on the best team. It is all about the college conections starting next year. The 2021 age group will be no different from all the older age groups and all the best kids will go to 91, express and fl$ over the next two years. This arguing now on who is the best is nonsense.


No connection to Igloo, but anyone's who been in common tournaments with Tourney Machine knows that had something like 3 1-goal wins this Summer. And, WSL may be a load of BS, but if they go and win it and keep getting invites to play up like Crush seems to have, do you really think those kids will need to switch teams for recruiting purposes?


Sorry but Igloo is the top of 2021. WHen coaches start looking at the top talent they will look at Igloo, Rich Kotite could be their coach , if the college coaches see the talent then thats all she wrote .


Not really how it works!! You will see. And they haven't played their first middle school game yet. Don't know where they are going to HS. Really need to relax with the recruiting nonsense at this age. It's not real or happening. And don't think this big showcases are just going to let you in with your one good team. They will go to the clubs who have produced over the years. Express , 91, Crabs, Dukes, Sweetlax , WC Stars etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 08:55 PM
Having a son who played against Igloo(2x), Express (at least 5x) , Icon (2x) and 91 (1x) and also I understand the Icon mid is only a guest player for Express(which is crazy as it is getting more and more like soccer which s---) I would go with Igloo as the strongest mid given the size and speed, as well as there def with 91 being a very close 2nd and the Icon attack. Coaching staff and potential recruiting not close- Icon. Hard to give Express any kudos as it is my opinion that it is just flat out wrong to bring other kids in. Really don't know who is on their team. They do have one other top mid and a top def ( if he is on their LI team or City team). Overall best team Igloo.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 11:02 PM
Played against these teams multiple times too and even more than this person who posted. Igloo first line Middys are amazing. This year Express improved first line where it may be equal to Igloo. Icon also just as good. Not as impressed with 91 first line. Attack on all 4 are about the same. Igloo may be the best but not by much. Defense Igloo by far the best and Icon/91 close to each other. Express way behind at defense. In fact teams ranked 5 and 6 have a better defense than Express. Goalies Express has the best. The other three are about equal.
Faceoff are very close. I would bet they will all beat each other on any given day. Best teams in order Igloo - 91- Express and Icon. These teams are so close it is impossible to rank them but this is an honest opinion. Would love to see them play in a league and play multiple times. That would be the real world series.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Having a son who played against Igloo(2x), Express (at least 5x) , Icon (2x) and 91 (1x) and also I understand the Icon mid is only a guest player for Express(which is crazy as it is getting more and more like soccer which s---) I would go with Igloo as the strongest mid given the size and speed, as well as there def with 91 being a very close 2nd and the Icon attack. Coaching staff and potential recruiting not close- Icon. Hard to give Express any kudos as it is my opinion that it is just flat out wrong to bring other kids in. Really don't know who is on their team. They do have one other top mid and a top def ( if he is on their LI team or City team). Overall best team Igloo.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 11:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Coaches will go to programs they know and trust not a new program trying to make a name with one talented team. Playing ability is only part of the equation. There is character , work ethic and much more. This type of information comes from the club teams and it requires a high degree of trust and credibility. You are nuts if you think one great team in a program buys credibility for an unknown director. If the number one team's best players were to leave and go to Express or 91 those teams would be the number one team talent wise and those kids would have the benefit of the recruitment history of those teams. Why risk it with an unknown? You get one chance at this. Do you even know your teams future plans for recruitment help? All it takes is a couple of top kids to leave the number one team and there goes the best team will be followed by colleges theory. Further beating Express by three goals and icon by one is not so impressive to college coaches that it would make them follow that team around. Good luck in the future and we all hope it works for you.
Thats why they really want to talk to the HS coach who can give a much more detailed background. Hey, these clubs are making hundreds of thousands by making people believe they need them to get recruited. College coaches are looking for players who can help them win, period.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 11:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Best 2021 Goalie:
1)Express
2)91 (close 2nd)
3)Icon
4)Igloo

Best 2021 Defense:
1)igloo
2)91
3)Icon
4)Express

Best 2021 1st Middie Line:
1)Express
2)Igloo
3)91
4)Icon

Best 2021 Attack:
1)Express, Igloo & 91
2)Icon

Best 2021 Bench:
1)Igloo
2)91 & Express
3)Icon

Best 2021 Head coach:
1)Icon & 91
2)Igloo
3)Express

Best recruitment system:
1)91 & Express hands down
2)Icon
3)Igloo

Any thoughts, kinda of fun no?
I Believe these are the top teams in the northeast hands down and are going to Lax world series. And guess what they are all from LI..


What no Outlaws !!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/05/15 11:18 PM
If you are talking about Long Island I concur, but the northeast has a few other very talented teams at 2021. Victor, Laxachusettes, Eclipse & Primetime. No doubt one of these teams will knock off one of the LI teams. As for best goalie Laxachusettes has two outstanding goalies & Eclipse has the best attack I ever seen at this level. Defense and midfield I agree with the original post. Face off the Primetime kid did well against 91 & express so I would put him as an equal to the rest.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/06/15 02:24 AM
My son is a 2021 and has been invited to Showcase. Is it worth it at this age? Does anyone have experience with Showcases? Thanks in advance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/06/15 02:35 AM
No Names
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/06/15 03:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Best 2021 Goalie:
1)Express
2)91 (close 2nd)
3)Icon
4)Igloo

Best 2021 Defense:
1)igloo
2)91
3)Icon
4)Express

Best 2021 1st Middie Line:
1)Express
2)Igloo
3)91
4)Icon

Best 2021 Attack:
1)Express, Igloo & 91
2)Icon

Best 2021 Bench:
1)Igloo
2)91 & Express
3)Icon

Best 2021 Head coach:
1)Icon & 91
2)Igloo
3)Express

Best recruitment system:
1)91 & Express hands down
2)Icon
3)Igloo

Any thoughts, kinda of fun no?
I Believe these are the top teams in the northeast hands down and are going to Lax world series. And guess what they are all from LI..

All of this conjecture is is not worth anything.
What no Outlaws !!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/06/15 03:19 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you are talking about Long Island I concur, but the northeast has a few other very talented teams at 2021. Victor, Laxachusettes, Eclipse & Primetime. No doubt one of these teams will knock off one of the LI teams. As for best goalie Laxachusettes has two outstanding goalies & Eclipse has the best attack I ever seen at this level. Defense and midfield I agree with the original post. Face off the Primetime kid did well against 91 & express so I would put him as an equal to the rest.


Really?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/06/15 03:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a 2021 and has been invited to Showcase. Is it worth it at this age? Does anyone have experience with Showcases? Thanks in advance.


Not sure they look at them this young. You'd have to see who is going to be there. To be honest, Any private HSs ? if the money is cheap and its close might be a good idea to get some experience at one when there is no pressure. Fight, don't fight, Noodle , don't noodle
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/06/15 12:07 PM
There are no showcases for 2021. If your talking about NLF my son went to the one last July in Taunton and they did not deliver what they said they would do. Only the class of 2019 had college coaches and an all-star game. The classes of 2020, 2021 & 2022 had a half day of instruction and then games. In my opinion it was good experience to the boys if they never went to camp of this type. They over sold their 3 days but not a total waste. The talent was top notch.
Hopefully the one at IMG will be much better since they gained experience in the summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/06/15 12:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a 2021 and has been invited to Showcase. Is it worth it at this age? Does anyone have experience with Showcases? Thanks in advance.


Not sure they look at them this young. You'd have to see who is going to be there. To be honest, Any private HSs ? if the money is cheap and its close might be a good idea to get some experience at one when there is no pressure. Fight, don't fight, Noodle , don't noodle

Thanks for the advice, not really close and not that cheap. Personally I think he is too young. Thanks again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/06/15 01:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are no showcases for 2021. If your talking about NLF my son went to the one last July in Taunton and they did not deliver what they said they would do. Only the class of 2019 had college coaches and an all-star game. The classes of 2020, 2021 & 2022 had a half day of instruction and then games. In my opinion it was good experience to the boys if they never went to camp of this type. They over sold their 3 days but not a total waste. The talent was top notch.
Hopefully the one at IMG will be much better since they gained experience in the summer.

That's the one, they are billing it as a Showcase. Thanks for the info.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/06/15 06:46 PM
Don't know Victor and PT is a B team who lost to B teams last summer Outlaws & Avalanche. Laxachusettes usually has a solid A team and Eclipse is an unknown also.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/06/15 07:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't know Victor and PT is a B team who lost to B teams last summer Outlaws & Avalanche. Laxachusettes usually has a solid A team and Eclipse is an unknown also.


eclipse is a very solid A team. who is the best of the bunch mentioned by a lot.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/06/15 08:56 PM
Has anyone played 91 this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Best 2021 Goalie:
1)Express
2)91 (close 2nd)
3)Icon
4)Igloo

Best 2021 Defense:
1)igloo
2)91
3)Icon
4)Express

Best 2021 1st Middie Line:
1)Express
2)Igloo
3)91
4)Icon

Best 2021 Attack:
1)Express, Igloo & 91
2)Icon

Best 2021 Bench:
1)Igloo
2)91 & Express
3)Icon

Best 2021 Head coach:
1)Icon & 91
2)Igloo
3)Express

Best recruitment system:
1)91 & Express hands down
2)Icon
3)Igloo

Any thoughts, kinda of fun no?
I Believe these are the top teams in the northeast hands down and are going to Lax world series. And guess what they are all from LI..


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/06/15 09:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't know Victor and PT is a B team who lost to B teams last summer Outlaws & Avalanche. Laxachusettes usually has a solid A team and Eclipse is an unknown also.


Laxachusettes will have a very good A team in another year. They need to get the reclassified kids from the 2020 next year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/06/15 11:06 PM
Icon plays Eclipse on Nov 15th at the Crabs Fall tournament. We will find out how good Eclipse is then.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/07/15 07:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a 2021 and has been invited to Showcase. Is it worth it at this age? Does anyone have experience with Showcases? Thanks in advance.


Not sure they look at them this young. You'd have to see who is going to be there. To be honest, Any private HSs ? if the money is cheap and its close might be a good idea to get some experience at one when there is no pressure. Fight, don't fight, Noodle , don't noodle


I just heard a story from someone else about 7th graders being invited to recruiting events. The one I just heard about is in FL in January. Is this really happening? Just sick.
Thanks for the advice, not really close and not that cheap. Personally I think he is too young. Thanks again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/07/15 08:53 PM
Who is going to Yale at this age? How is this tournament, first time going.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/07/15 09:57 PM
I just heard a story from someone else about 7th graders being invited to recruiting events. The one I just heard about is in FL in January. Is this really happening? Just sick.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/08/15 02:49 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just heard a story from someone else about 7th graders being invited to recruiting events. The one I just heard about is in FL in January. Is this really happening? Just sick.


Three words, total money grab. If you bite, you are crazy
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/08/15 10:16 PM
Primetime and LIE North is going and they anticipate being in the Championship game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/08/15 11:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Primetime and LIE North is going and they anticipate being in the Championship game.

Just looking at that B bracket, there are some pretty good teams there. Outlaws Black, Ambush and of coarse Smash (can't stand that coach, all he does is scream). Good luck you will need it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/09/15 01:42 AM
Where are you looking at it? I can't seem to find anything on who's going. Zsc
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/09/15 09:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are you looking at it? I can't seem to find anything on who's going. Zsc

I got an email about a waiver for the tournament. At the bottom of the waiver you pick the team your from so you can submit it. Scrolled through the team names, they have the graduation year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/09/15 02:41 PM
Hey thought AMBUSH was A bracket? Once you play A you do not drop down to B.. what happened here?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Primetime and LIE North is going and they anticipate being in the Championship game.

Just looking at that B bracket, there are some pretty good teams there. Outlaws Black, Ambush and of coarse Smash (can't stand that coach, all he does is scream). Good luck you will need it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/09/15 05:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey thought AMBUSH was A bracket? Once you play A you do not drop down to B.. what happened here?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Primetime and LIE North is going and they anticipate being in the Championship game.

Just looking at that B bracket, there are some pretty good teams there. Outlaws Black, Ambush and of coarse Smash (can't stand that coach, all he does is scream). Good luck you will need it.

I think when you go 0-4 in an A bracket in a fall tournament you may dapple in a B bracket.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/09/15 06:41 PM
I think it was wishful thinking on their part.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/09/15 06:46 PM

Ambush coaches and organization already boisted that they are "A" and Orange is "AA" , Ambush played in "A" brackets in a couple of fall tournaments already. dropping down to "B" proves failure!! So losing seems to hurt enough to not challenge their players to get better ! and winning in an easier bracket comes to show its all about that picure fir 91 website. Parents have been bamboozled. .



quote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey thought AMBUSH was A bracket? Once you play A you do not drop down to B.. what happened here?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Primetime and LIE North is going and they anticipate being in the Championship game.

Just looking at that B bracket, there are some pretty good teams there. Outlaws Black, Ambush and of coarse Smash (can't stand that coach, all he does is scream). Good luck you will need it.

I think when you go 0-4 in an A bracket in a fall tournament you may dapple in a B bracket. [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/09/15 07:14 PM
Does that shock you? The AA team is blowing out everyone by 10-15+ goals a game. (That's all we hear) they can't have Ambush losing every time they go out. So they will resort to what is working with the exceptional AA team. Go out and beat up on weaker competition just to keep the photos coming. At least the team was playing decent A competition at current skill level. Now we go to blowing teams out who can't catch and throw. WHAT A WASTE!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/09/15 07:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a 2021 and has been invited to Showcase. Is it worth it at this age? Does anyone have experience with Showcases? Thanks in advance.


Not sure they look at them this young. You'd have to see who is going to be there. To be honest, Any private HSs ? if the money is cheap and its close might be a good idea to get some experience at one when there is no pressure. Fight, don't fight, Noodle , don't noodle


I just heard a story from someone else about 7th graders being invited to recruiting events. The one I just heard about is in FL in January. Is this really happening? Just sick.
Thanks for the advice, not really close and not that cheap. Personally I think he is too young. Thanks again.


Figure it out everyone! With all the newer programs with talent, the more well known programs have to do something to control the growing industry. What would you do as a business owner? Answer: Form an alliance with organizations you can kind of trust yet still maintain your reputation. Then each business can control their own sector of the industry.

That alliance is the so called federation that is running this FL tourney. Complete money grab and boys club - especially if your son is not on one of the six teams in the federation. Read further into the federation website and learn what this showcase is about.

They are picking the top 88 players for the age division.
There are 6 teams within the federation.
That leaves 14 players selected from each team with a little wiggle room.

Each of the federation teams will then pick their first line (10), their second middie line (3), and additional LSM (1) or fogo (1). If you think otherwise, wake up.

So if you're going to spend the money to go there, just know beforehand your son won't get chosen. Get comfort that you won't be as disappointed as the family that is already part of a federation team but doesn't make the cut.

Just like the Brine National with two teams who always make the roster, with one or two other team players which satisfy the naysayers.

My son got an invite to this too. Yeah the some coaches within the federation are aware of him but I suspect it's a mailing list for the glue guys, not the divas. The writing is on the wall. Not wasting the money to pad pockets - for a 2021 division the coaches won't even look at.

It's all money and politics from this point forward. We have a AA player, has been for years. We have an A+ student that's going to public school. Unfortunately, we don't have the money to continue paying for this carnival. We know nobody and therefore can't play the politics card as a last ditch effort.

We're out, but at least we're smart enough to figure it out sooner rather than later. Good luck to all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/09/15 08:24 PM
I don't think that the Ambush coaches and organization said anything. I was NOT happy to see a parent boasting on here. Mt theory is if we are any good people will figure it out on their own. All the fathers that I spoke to deny writing it. Apparently there was some sour grapes from people who's sons who were cut. They say it is one of them stirring the pot.
That being said I think having these boys play in B would be doing them a disservice. It was a very good B team last year. There was an upgrade in talent. It is a BIG jump up to A.It takes time. A lot of boys have missed games due to fall sports. No excuses from me. IF the team learns to play together as a team. They can be COMPETITIVE not dominant in A.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/09/15 10:35 PM
Great job mesa guys on leaving your prior club. Looks like you took a step backwards. You couldn't even generate one goal on us. Karma
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 12:00 AM
Are you talking about the old Sons team?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great job mesa guys on leaving your prior club. Looks like you took a step backwards. You couldn't even generate one goal on us. Karma
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 12:10 AM
Wait, We are talking about a team (Ambush) that from what I understand is full of new players. They moved up to A. OK, It takes time to develop. The A teams that are around are very good. I also understand that YALE is just a festival. No championship format. So as a new team finding their way YALE seems to be a great way to help that process and not go in beating teams up for a championship (or as anonymous people post, a photo for a web site). I try very hard to stay off this site, it"s like a car accident that you don't want to look at but you do. Let the coaches coach and the kids play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 01:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you talking about the old Sons team?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great job mesa guys on leaving your prior club. Looks like you took a step backwards. You couldn't even generate one goal on us. Karma
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you talking about the old Sons team?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great job mesa guys on leaving your prior club. Looks like you took a step backwards. You couldn't even generate one goal on us. Karma


This is probably a parent of one of the many displaced fever kids who got cut when all of the sons kids showed up. Regardless the Sons blew what they had it is a real shame.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 01:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you talking about the old Sons team?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great job mesa guys on leaving your prior club. Looks like you took a step backwards. You couldn't even generate one goal on us. Karma
YES!!! stupid asses. Parents suck!! WE had people try that crap up here and it totally backfired.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 01:40 AM
The problem is every year for the past four years we have heard from parents in person and on BOTC that this team is a A team. The parents are told it is an A team hence year after year the same post and parents talking about how great this team is with the same bad results. Then by December we hear that they need to play together because of the high turnover every year. By spring and summer we won't hear a word. Then next fall many kids will leave and we will hear again they added new players and they are an A team. Then by fall we will hear they have to play together more but will be A. The cycle continues every year. Just say nothing and you won't have to read these negative post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait, We are talking about a team (Ambush) that from what I understand is full of new players. They moved up to A. OK, It takes time to develop. The A teams that are around are very good. I also understand that YALE is just a festival. No championship format. So as a new team finding their way YALE seems to be a great way to help that process and not go in beating teams up for a championship (or as anonymous people post, a photo for a web site). I try very hard to stay off this site, it"s like a car accident that you don't want to look at but you do. Let the coaches coach and the kids play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 02:09 AM
Ambush is in the A bracket.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 02:14 AM
LOL so all the people who have nothing to to with Team Ambush who posted like they know something are all wrong. That in fact Team Ambush is in A. Classic!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 02:14 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


one of the recent posts about this years improvement. Seems pretty happy to be rid of last years roster. I guess its the cream of the B crop. Maybe if they played the game the way it is supposed to be played and left the Hansen brothers from Slapshot at home they would be competitive
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 12:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL so all the people who have nothing to to with Team Ambush who posted like they know something are all wrong. That in fact Team Ambush is in A. Classic!!!

I am the one that looked up the teams originally and saw them listed as 21B. I posted that they are a good B team. If they are in the A bracket I apologize for the confusion.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 01:10 PM
RED BLUE YELLOW GREEN
Baltimore Crabs Edge Lacrosse Madlax - Capital VLC
Red Freedom LC Lax Factory Icon Lacrosse Eclipse 2021
LA Heat 2021/2022 Leading Edge Harvest Lacrosse Academy Legacy Greyhounds


DIVISION ROUND TEAM 2 SCORE TEAM 3 SCORE TIME FIELD
2021 1 Crabs 2021 Red Freedom LC 8:00 AM 1
2021 1 Edge Lacrosse Lax Factory 8:00 AM 2
2021 1 LA Heat 21/22 Leading Edge 8:00 AM 3
2021 1 Madlax - Capital Icon Lacrosse 8:00 AM 4
2021 1 VLC Eclipse 2021 8:00 AM 5
2021 1 Harvest Lacrosse Academy Legacy Greyhounds 8:00 AM 10
2021 2 Crabs 2021 LA Heat 21/22 9:40 AM 2
2021 2 Red Freedom LC Lax Factory 9:40 AM 3
2021 2 Edge Lacrosse Leading Edge 9:40 AM 4
2021 2 Madlax - Capital Harvest Lacrosse Academy 9:40 AM 5
2021 2 VLC Legacy Greyhounds 9:40 AM 6
2021 2 Icon Lacrosse Eclipse 2021 9:40 AM 7
2021 3 Crabs 2021 Edge Lacrosse 11:20 AM 6
2021 3 Red Freedom LC LA Heat 21/22 11:20 AM 5
2021 3 Lax Factory Leading Edge 11:20 AM 4
2021 3 Madlax - Capital VLC 12:10 PM 2
2021 3 Icon Lacrosse Harvest Lacrosse Academy 12:10 PM 3
2021 3 Eclipse 2021 Legacy Greyhounds 12:10 PM 4
2021 Semifinal Red Division Winner Yellow Division Winner 1:50 PM 4
2021 Semifinal Blue Division Winner Green Division Winner 1:50 PM 5
2021 Final Red/Yellow Winner Blue/Green Winner 3:00 PM 4

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 01:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


one of the recent posts about this years improvement. Seems pretty happy to be rid of last years roster. I guess its the cream of the B crop. Maybe if they played the game the way it is supposed to be played and left the Hansen brothers from Slapshot at home they would be competitive
Definitely too many penalties that last tournament. A lot of that had to do with ONE referee who got his panties in a bunch. Unfortunately the game has changed and contact is frowned upon now. Have to change to this wimpy version. If you played the game you know that this is not the same game!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 04:00 PM
I saw two of the games. Penalties came after 91 was getting blown out. Those penalties called would have been penalties in the 80s as well. Heard they called the third game 91 played that day because of dirty play after the score was out of reach. It is a shame because they have two or three players that can make any team in 2021. Don't know if they will stay if the team continues on the path they are currently taking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


one of the recent posts about this years improvement. Seems pretty happy to be rid of last years roster. I guess its the cream of the B crop. Maybe if they played the game the way it is supposed to be played and left the Hansen brothers from Slapshot at home they would be competitive
Definitely too many penalties that last tournament. A lot of that had to do with ONE referee who got his panties in a bunch. Unfortunately the game has changed and contact is frowned upon now. Have to change to this wimpy version. If you played the game you know that this is not the same game!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 06:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw two of the games. Penalties came after 91 was getting blown out. Those penalties called would have been penalties in the 80s as well. Heard they called the third game 91 played that day because of dirty play after the score was out of reach. It is a shame because they have two or three players that can make any team in 2021. Don't know if they will stay if the team continues on the path they are currently taking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


one of the recent posts about this years improvement. Seems pretty happy to be rid of last years roster. I guess its the cream of the B crop. Maybe if they played the game the way it is supposed to be played and left the Hansen brothers from Slapshot at home they would be competitive
Definitely too many penalties that last tournament. A lot of that had to do with ONE referee who got his panties in a bunch. Unfortunately the game has changed and contact is frowned upon now. Have to change to this wimpy version. If you played the game you know that this is not the same game!
I saw two games also. In the game against the Outlaws those penalties were the reason for the blowout. Ambush beat that team the week before. I'm not saying that they are better but can compete. I disagree that those penalties would have been called in the 80's especially when it was just one referee calling all of them. Even when the other ref was closer. A few of the Outlaws parents agreed. Listen this is just another team trying to make the jump to A. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. Don't let one disgruntled ex parent who's son got cut stir up nonsense. Let the boys play and improve without the nonsense which they certainly didn't bring on themselves.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 07:30 PM
Does anyone know anything about Eclipse 2021? We are playing them this weekend in Maryland.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 07:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw two of the games. Penalties came after 91 was getting blown out. Those penalties called would have been penalties in the 80s as well. Heard they called the third game 91 played that day because of dirty play after the score was out of reach. It is a shame because they have two or three players that can make any team in 2021. Don't know if they will stay if the team continues on the path they are currently taking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


one of the recent posts about this years improvement. Seems pretty happy to be rid of last years roster. I guess its the cream of the B crop. Maybe if they played the game the way it is supposed to be played and left the Hansen brothers from Slapshot at home they would be competitive
Definitely too many penalties that last tournament. A lot of that had to do with ONE referee who got his panties in a bunch. Unfortunately the game has changed and contact is frowned upon now. Have to change to this wimpy version. If you played the game you know that this is not the same game!
I saw two games also. In the game against the Outlaws those penalties were the reason for the blowout. Ambush beat that team the week before. I'm not saying that they are better but can compete. I disagree that those penalties would have been called in the 80's especially when it was just one referee calling all of them. Even when the other ref was closer. A few of the Outlaws parents agreed. Listen this is just another team trying to make the jump to A. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. Don't let one disgruntled ex parent who's son got cut stir up nonsense. Let the boys play and improve without the nonsense which they certainly didn't bring on themselves.


Get used to the penalties. It's a Berry coached team now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 08:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw two of the games. Penalties came after 91 was getting blown out. Those penalties called would have been penalties in the 80s as well. Heard they called the third game 91 played that day because of dirty play after the score was out of reach. It is a shame because they have two or three players that can make any team in 2021. Don't know if they will stay if the team continues on the path they are currently taking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


one of the recent posts about this years improvement. Seems pretty happy to be rid of last years roster. I guess its the cream of the B crop. Maybe if they played the game the way it is supposed to be played and left the Hansen brothers from Slapshot at home they would be competitive
Definitely too many penalties that last tournament. A lot of that had to do with ONE referee who got his panties in a bunch. Unfortunately the game has changed and contact is frowned upon now. Have to change to this wimpy version. If you played the game you know that this is not the same game!
I saw two games also. In the game against the Outlaws those penalties were the reason for the blowout. Ambush beat that team the week before. I'm not saying that they are better but can compete. I disagree that those penalties would have been called in the 80's especially when it was just one referee calling all of them. Even when the other ref was closer. A few of the Outlaws parents agreed. Listen this is just another team trying to make the jump to A. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. Don't let one disgruntled ex parent who's son got cut stir up nonsense. Let the boys play and improve without the nonsense which they certainly didn't bring on themselves.



This is wrong and not worthy of belief on so many levels. Just have your kid play the tournament this weekend and hope 91 can do well against the B teams they will be playing. Stop saying they can compete in A. They are now playing b teams because they have played 8 games against A and B plus teams and have one win by one goal to show for it. The rest of the games they got blownout. Give it a rest already.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 09:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw two of the games. Penalties came after 91 was getting blown out. Those penalties called would have been penalties in the 80s as well. Heard they called the third game 91 played that day because of dirty play after the score was out of reach. It is a shame because they have two or three players that can make any team in 2021. Don't know if they will stay if the team continues on the path they are currently taking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


one of the recent posts about this years improvement. Seems pretty happy to be rid of last years roster. I guess its the cream of the B crop. Maybe if they played the game the way it is supposed to be played and left the Hansen brothers from Slapshot at home they would be competitive
Definitely too many penalties that last tournament. A lot of that had to do with ONE referee who got his panties in a bunch. Unfortunately the game has changed and contact is frowned upon now. Have to change to this wimpy version. If you played the game you know that this is not the same game!
I saw two games also. In the game against the Outlaws those penalties were the reason for the blowout. Ambush beat that team the week before. I'm not saying that they are better but can compete. I disagree that those penalties would have been called in the 80's especially when it was just one referee calling all of them. Even when the other ref was closer. A few of the Outlaws parents agreed. Listen this is just another team trying to make the jump to A. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. Don't let one disgruntled ex parent who's son got cut stir up nonsense. Let the boys play and improve without the nonsense which they certainly didn't bring on themselves.



This is wrong and not worthy of belief on so many levels. Just have your kid play the tournament this weekend and hope 91 can do well against the B teams they will be playing. Stop saying they can compete in A. They are now playing b teams because they have played 8 games against A and B plus teams and have one win by one goal to show for it. The rest of the games they got blownout. Give it a rest already.
Why do you care so much? Sour grapes I guess. By the way they are playing in A. You should hope that they do well. Then your boy would have been cut by an A team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 09:18 PM
There are plenty of A Teams that would consider taking those players too.!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 09:32 PM
They are a good team. They played Igloo b team Lin the summer. Big boys on the team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 10:04 PM
Why is empire black playing in b/c division? I thought they are empires elite team if they even have one . that's what you call playing for a t-shirt.sub par coaching and players on that team.those parents definitely drink alot of kool aid
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 10:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is empire black playing in b/c division? I thought they are empires elite team if they even have one . that's what you call playing for a t-shirt.sub par coaching and players on that team.those parents definitely drink alot of kool aid

If they have sub-par coaching and the players are sub-par, how do you get they are the elite team? This team has played in one tournament together. Sounds like you have issues way beyond the lacrosse field, it almost sounds personal. The scary part is you are following a kids team that your child is not on and your lurking around the same field that my child is playing on. If the T-Shirt is all that you want, I will buy one for you. Then go away....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 10:50 PM
They are the ones playing for a t-shirt.you need to learn how to read.grow some thicker skin then come back to the forum.you seem to get upset very easy.love pushing weak buttons
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 11:24 PM
That team is a D- might even be a F+
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 11:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is empire black playing in b/c division? I thought they are empires elite team if they even have one . that's what you call playing for a t-shirt.sub par coaching and players on that team.those parents definitely drink alot of kool aid

If they have sub-par coaching and the players are sub-par, how do you get they are the elite team? This team has played in one tournament together. Sounds like you have issues way beyond the lacrosse field, it almost sounds personal. The scary part is you are following a kids team that your child is not on and your lurking around the same field that my child is playing on. If the T-Shirt is all that you want, I will buy one for you. Then go away....

This team is a D- might even be a F+
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/10/15 11:39 PM

Schedule was released tonight and empire black is in B not b/c really get your facts straight and stop worrying about sub-par and worry about living up to what your coach and organization claims , after all you been waisting money for a few years trying to get it right !


quote=Anonymous]Why is empire black playing in b/c division? I thought they are empires elite team if they even have one . that's what you call playing for a t-shirt.sub par coaching and players on that team.those parents definitely drink alot of kool aid [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/11/15 12:06 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedule was released tonight and empire black is in B not b/c really get your facts straight and stop worrying about sub-par and worry about living up to what your coach and organization claims , after all you been waisting money for a few years trying to get it right !


quote=Anonymous]Why is empire black playing in b/c division? I thought they are empires elite team if they even have one . that's what you call playing for a t-shirt.sub par coaching and players on that team.those parents definitely drink alot of kool aid

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH SMALL BRAIN MAN
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/11/15 12:09 AM
That Empire Team is a joke

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedule was released tonight and empire black is in B not b/c really get your facts straight and stop worrying about sub-par and worry about living up to what your coach and organization claims , after all you been waisting money for a few years trying to get it right !


quote=Anonymous]Why is empire black playing in b/c division? I thought they are empires elite team if they even have one . that's what you call playing for a t-shirt.sub par coaching and players on that team.those parents definitely drink alot of kool aid

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH SMALL BRAIN MAN
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/11/15 12:11 AM
Keep taking the bait.you sound like a bitter parent and your kid got cut from one of the more reputable organizations.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/11/15 12:12 AM
Empire Black is like playing a lacrosse team from Alaska
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/11/15 12:20 AM
Hey, I think the Empire Black have good Coaches, One left 91 to go to empire black and the other was asked to leave ever organization that he has been a part of. "And you pay for that"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/11/15 02:27 AM
Which teams are the best and how do you define your team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/11/15 12:26 PM
When a parent claims a team is an "A" team and is given several great points on why the team is not "A" and then we get the come back your kid got cut that's why you are disagreeing it means you lost the argument. It is doubtful that anyone got cut from 91 who is posting here. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. The team has a couple of very talented players and that is it. You better try and keep those few players happy and build around them in the next few years. Good luck.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/11/15 06:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When a parent claims a team is an "A" team and is given several great points on why the team is not "A" and then we get the come back your kid got cut that's why you are disagreeing it means you lost the argument. It is doubtful that anyone got cut from 91 who is posting here. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. The team has a couple of very talented players and that is it. You better try and keep those few players happy and build around them in the next few years. Good luck.
I would say that if it was a current parent who stated that (boasted). He got checked real hard by the reality that he was wrong. That should be sufficient for MOST reasonable people. Some people revel in others failure. Me wonders why?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/11/15 06:55 PM
Good deflection
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/11/15 09:07 PM
Yea very obvious on the guy who seems to drag others into his misery.



quote=Anonymous]Good deflection [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/11/15 11:22 PM
Ambush is playing 3 strong B teams at Yale, but they think they are A teams.
Primetime, express north & necks (fighting clams). Unfortunately Yale does not have any A teams competing in the 2021 bracket. If Ambush loses to any of these 3 teams we will know where they stand.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/11/15 11:35 PM
Where is that schedule?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/11/15 11:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush is playing 3 strong B teams at Yale, but they think they are A teams.
Primetime, express north & necks (fighting clams). Unfortunately Yale does not have any A teams competing in the 2021 bracket. If Ambush loses to any of these 3 teams we will know where they stand.



Enough about this team. There are 50 other 2021 teams on LI.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/12/15 12:02 AM
Bulldog fall classic. Yale lacrosse website
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/12/15 12:04 AM
Yeah but if your not one of the big four or a 91 & Express team. No one other than a parent cares, because they all are B or lower teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/12/15 12:26 AM
Yes and you are a looser, who hides behind a computer and even better does it ANONYMOUS. Where did you go so wrong in life that as an ADULT you feel satisfaction from doing this. 91, Ambush, Empire, Express, Outlaws who cares. They are all teams that are trying to play the sport and have fun. I am sure you would not even let your kid on this site. Why? cause the message that is sent is wrong. If they win great. If they don't (which is what you want, which is sick in many ways) they will try and continue to get better. WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH THAT!!!!! These teams did not start up ISIS, they did not fly into the world trade center, they are young men playing a sport that YOU, yes YOU are turning into a 3rd grade recess fight. Enough is enough.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/12/15 02:17 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes and you are a looser, who hides behind a computer and even better does it ANONYMOUS. Where did you go so wrong in life that as an ADULT you feel satisfaction from doing this. 91, Ambush, Empire, Express, Outlaws who cares. They are all teams that are trying to play the sport and have fun. I am sure you would not even let your kid on this site. Why? cause the message that is sent is wrong. If they win great. If they don't (which is what you want, which is sick in many ways) they will try and continue to get better. WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH THAT!!!!! These teams did not start up ISIS, they did not fly into the world trade center, they are young men playing a sport that YOU, yes YOU are turning into a 3rd grade recess fight. Enough is enough.

OH MY GOD, YOU MAKE SENSE! There is no room for your kind here. Take that crazy talk to another site. Imagine a site that actually offered good information and maybe a positive message. I would never allow my kid on this site, too many narcissistic parents here.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/12/15 01:24 PM
3d NE 2021
2 Way Select 2021
Predators 2021
NH Tomahawks 2021 Purple
Necks 2021 Orange
Primetime 2021
Team 91 Ambush
LI Express North 2021
3d NE South 2021
CT Bulldogs 2021
LI Outlaws Black 2021
LI Empire 2021

Where is Black Ice, LIE Channy, Icon, 91 Orange, Eclipse or Laxachusettes. Without those six programs this tournament is a B level tournament and anyone has a chance of winning the 2021 bracket. My money is on Outlaws Black. Go Outlaws make Long Island proud.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/12/15 02:10 PM
Good luck with that prediction.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/12/15 02:50 PM
Who is better in that group?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/12/15 03:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d NE 2021
2 Way Select 2021
Predators 2021
NH Tomahawks 2021 Purple
Necks 2021 Orange
Primetime 2021
Team 91 Ambush
LI Express North 2021
3d NE South 2021
CT Bulldogs 2021
LI Outlaws Black 2021
LI Empire 2021

Where is Black Ice, LIE Channy, Icon, 91 Orange, Eclipse or Laxachusettes. Without those six programs this tournament is a B level tournament and anyone has a chance of winning the 2021 bracket. My money is on Outlaws Black. Go Outlaws make Long Island proud.


Igloo and Express Channy are not playing this weekend. Icon and Eclipse are playing in Md. 91 Orange and Outlaws A are playing at Lehigh.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/12/15 04:55 PM
Express couldn't get the icon players this weekend. So they decided to sit out this weekend. Lmao
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/12/15 05:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express couldn't get the icon players this weekend. So they decided to sit out this weekend. Lmao


That is funny. Unfortunately it might be true. Sad
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/12/15 06:20 PM
I think Outlaws Black is now the second Outlaws team and the first team is now called Select. This looks like a good lineup of teams and are not B teams. They are mostly A teams but not AA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d NE 2021
2 Way Select 2021
Predators 2021
NH Tomahawks 2021 Purple
Necks 2021 Orange
Primetime 2021
Team 91 Ambush
LI Express North 2021
3d NE South 2021
CT Bulldogs 2021
LI Outlaws Black 2021
LI Empire 2021

Where is Black Ice, LIE Channy, Icon, 91 Orange, Eclipse or Laxachusettes. Without those six programs this tournament is a B level tournament and anyone has a chance of winning the 2021 bracket. My money is on Outlaws Black. Go Outlaws make Long Island proud.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/12/15 07:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah but if your not one of the big four or a 91 & Express team. No one other than a parent cares, because they all are B or lower teams.

Yes but isn't that what this entire site is about? Parents, there are no college coaches trolling this site.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/12/15 11:16 PM
So your saying the Icon transfer is still on Icon but played for a rival team for a few tournaments. Very strange.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/13/15 12:02 AM
Hard to understand why a roster of 30 kids needs more players who play for free and are on the field most of the game. I feel for parents of kids who are now sitting on the bench. They are stuck. Can't complain or else they will be moved to b team. The only option is to say nothing and move on next year. What a waste during a key development year for these kids. Probably better off to loose the money and go elsewhere or catch on to a second team and play for both.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So your saying the Icon transfer is still on Icon but played for a rival team for a few tournaments. Very strange.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/13/15 11:07 AM
I feel bad for the kids that their parents are idiots, MC been doing this for years, some of the parents still fall for the pitch line its all about practice time, FYI, my older guy never played on A team, and is going D1. Parents its no fun looking over your shoulder every practice to see what new kid is getting out of is car.Or driving 4 hours spending money on hotel, do watch a guess player play over your kid.Move on, have fun, enjoy the game of lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/13/15 03:01 PM
Spot on with that post. Make sure your son plays and has fun everything else will work itself out especially if your kid has good grades.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/13/15 03:40 PM

Finally someone Anonymous post a true statement . Parents are more so caught up on having their child play on a hyped up "A" team so they themselves can feel self gratification of being on the best team. The fact of the matter is most kids couldn't hold up on an A team level but do so as part of filling a roster for the sake of those who are capable . You are doing a diservace to your child's devolpment by being practice meat ! It's not worth while for your glorious moment of bragging rights at your next Christmas party.
Think about it !!


Originally Posted by Anonymous
I feel bad for the kids that their parents are idiots, MC been doing this for years, some of the parents still fall for the pitch line its all about practice time, FYI, my older guy never played on A team, and is going D1. Parents its no fun looking over your shoulder every practice to see what new kid is getting out of is car.Or driving 4 hours spending money on hotel, do watch a guess player play over your kid.Move on, have fun, enjoy the game of lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/13/15 07:50 PM
Many AA teams have a top half of talented kids who play 90% of all close games. The bottom half sit for mostof those games. I must admit that I always thought I wanted my son on one of those teams. Matter of fact he was, but after a few tourneys I saw the reality. My kid is good but he wasn't in the top half. I swallowed my pride and he is
now on a different team that has gotten beaten by his old team soundly. But he is playing, building confidence, making good friends, and the coaches are great. They practice a lot and learn alot. Will they be able to beat his old team? Probably not, but they will sure try. It doesn't matter if they win just as long as they are learning and growing. The right fit is often hard to find for your kid. The right coach and similar talent is important. He's also played on teams where he was the best kid and that also wasn't a great experience as they weren't competitjve.
There are plenty of teams for everyone and not everyone should play on a AA team just so roster spots can be filled
And by the way, for those parents on the express team whose kids are sitting, is it really worth it? I know its a great feeling to win championships, but if u are like me u are there to see your own kid play not just the other kids. And if your kid isn't playing and he's practicing and not missing then u need to reevaluate as he won't be happy for long.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/13/15 10:35 PM
I agree 100%. To be on a team just so you can say that you are on a AA team is counter productive. Unless you are the top echelon. I would rather my son play! Regardless of the perceived benefits of playing for such a prestigious team. I don't want to spend a lot of time and money watching other people's kids play. Many kids playing for regular A or the better B teams are getting playing experience in real games and therefore learning to handle pressures that they won't get on the bench on the elite team. In the long run they will probably be better than a kid with the same talent level who is watching the studs play all the meaningful minutes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/13/15 11:16 PM
Not that I disagree with those points, but however, if your is on a strong team than there must be a lot of one sided games your kid could play in. 2021 Channy plays everyone and when it's gets close in score he plays the studs until he gets a comfortable lead. That team normally doesn't blow teams away just wins by 4 or 5 goals. My son's team played them and it was very obvious when the starters were in compared to the second string.
I am not promoting Channy but do understand his mentality. These players came to Channy because he has a product that produces.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/13/15 11:19 PM
Their schedule has been posted and they never had a tournament this weekend. The next and last for fall is the Express tournament MAYFLOWER Madness.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/13/15 11:21 PM
Yikes Last year Black was the #1 team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/13/15 11:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Many AA teams have a top half of talented kids who play 90% of all close games. The bottom half sit for mostof those games. I must admit that I always thought I wanted my son on one of those teams. Matter of fact he was, but after a few tourneys I saw the reality. My kid is good but he wasn't in the top half. I swallowed my pride and he is
now on a different team that has gotten beaten by his old team soundly. But he is playing, building confidence, making good friends, and the coaches are great. They practice a lot and learn alot. Will they be able to beat his old team? Probably not, but they will sure try. It doesn't matter if they win just as long as they are learning and growing. The right fit is often hard to find for your kid. The right coach and similar talent is important. He's also played on teams where he was the best kid and that also wasn't a great experience as they weren't competitjve.
There are plenty of teams for everyone and not everyone should play on a AA team just so roster spots can be filled
And by the way, for those parents on the express team whose kids are sitting, is it really worth it? I know its a great feeling to win championships, but if u are like me u are there to see your own kid play not just the other kids. And if your kid isn't playing and he's practicing and not missing then u need to reevaluate as he won't be happy for long.

Well said, I have a very similar story. My son did well on the A team he was on. Although it is fall ball I can see he is thriving on this B team. I struggled in the beginning, thinking he would not get the training. Fortunately I was wrong. He is truly happy and that is all I can ask for.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/13/15 11:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not that I disagree with those points, but however, if your is on a strong team than there must be a lot of one sided games your kid could play in. 2021 Channy plays everyone and when it's gets close in score he plays the studs until he gets a comfortable lead. That team normally doesn't blow teams away just wins by 4 or 5 goals. My son's team played them and it was very obvious when the starters were in compared to the second string.
I am not promoting Channy but do understand his mentality. These players came to Channy because he has a product that produces.
No doubt that he would play in the lopsided games where nothing is on the line. I want meaningful minutes where he and his teammates have to dig deeper in order to win. I am not knocking anyone for doing what they think is right for their son. Just one guys opinion.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/14/15 01:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Their schedule has been posted and they never had a tournament this weekend. The next and last for fall is the Express tournament MAYFLOWER Madness.


OHHHH.......so that makes it OK for their best player to play for ICON this weekend? Good Luck in the spring and summer!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/14/15 01:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not that I disagree with those points, but however, if your is on a strong team than there must be a lot of one sided games your kid could play in. 2021 Channy plays everyone and when it's gets close in score he plays the studs until he gets a comfortable lead. That team normally doesn't blow teams away just wins by 4 or 5 goals. My son's team played them and it was very obvious when the starters were in compared to the second string.
I am not promoting Channy but do understand his mentality. These players came to Channy because he has a product that produces.
If you have 30 kids how much playing time is there ? Its simple math
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/14/15 04:08 AM
Even in blowouts the Express kids sit on the bench. Don't be fooled. They are great at recruitment I will give them that but at this age kids need to play to develop and if a kid is on the bench they won't be seen. Should be obvious but people believe what they want to believe. That scholarship for all magnet is very strong for a weak minded parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not that I disagree with those points, but however, if your is on a strong team than there must be a lot of one sided games your kid could play in. 2021 Channy plays everyone and when it's gets close in score he plays the studs until he gets a comfortable lead. That team normally doesn't blow teams away just wins by 4 or 5 goals. My son's team played them and it was very obvious when the starters were in compared to the second string.
I am not promoting Channy but do understand his mentality. These players came to Channy because he has a product that produces.
No doubt that he would play in the lopsided games where nothing is on the line. I want meaningful minutes where he and his teammates have to dig deeper in order to win. I am not knocking anyone for doing what they think is right for their son. Just one guys opinion.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/14/15 11:55 PM
So how did all the 2021 teams do at Yale today ? Mustang ? Lehigh ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 12:11 AM
Below is a bunch scores noted from the board at Yale:

2021s:
2way beat 3D NE 4-0
PT beat TG Necks 12-1
PT beat Express N 11-1
2way tie Preds 1-1
PT beat 91 Ambush 6-3
Express N beat TG Necks 6-3
91 Ambush beat Express N 6-3
Express N beat TG necks 6-3

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 01:17 AM
What happened to Express North? Did the big older kids not play today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Below is a bunch scores noted from the board at Yale:

2021s:
2way beat 3D NE 4-0
PT beat TG Necks 12-1
PT beat Express N 11-1
2way tie Preds 1-1
PT beat 91 Ambush 6-3
Express N beat TG Necks 6-3
91 Ambush beat Express N 6-3
Express N beat TG necks 6-3

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 01:26 AM
[quote=Anonymous]What happened to Express North? Did the big older kids not play today?

[quote=Anonymous]Below is a bunch scores noted from the board at Yale:

2021s:
2way beat 3D NE 4-0
PT beat TG Necks 12-1
PT beat Express N 11-1
2way tie Preds 1-1
PT beat 91 Ambush 6-3
Express N beat TG Necks 6-3
91 Ambush beat Express N 6-3
Express N beat TG necks

The PT kids were as big as the coaches, who is fielding older kids?
Did one of the PT parents really say one of the kids flew in from Florida?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 01:36 AM
The PT kids were no bigger than the other teams. Actually the 91 Ambush kids and 2way kids were bigger. And please, the idea of Florida kids coming in for PT, LOL, absolutely no.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 02:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The PT kids were no bigger than the other teams. Actually the 91 Ambush kids and 2way kids were bigger. And please, the idea of Florida kids coming in for PT, LOL, absolutely no.


Primetime had the biggest kids (read oldest) on the field today at Yale for 2021 division. The kid coming in from Florida sounds far fetched but that was the rumor today. I think he tried out for our team. If true, this sport has taken another step towards insanity.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 03:32 AM
How did Outlaws do?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 04:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The PT kids were no bigger than the other teams. Actually the 91 Ambush kids and 2way kids were bigger. And please, the idea of Florida kids coming in for PT, LOL, absolutely no.


Primetime had the biggest kids (read oldest) on the field today at Yale for 2021 division. The kid coming in from Florida sounds far fetched but that was the rumor today. I think he tried out for our team. If true, this sport has taken another step towards insanity.
I would have to agree on PT being the biggest by far. They were a good team with tall athletic middies. 2 Way had a couple of big kids too. I think the 91 team was on the smaller side. Their attack is tiny with the exception of one kid. Middies are average sized and so is the defense except for one kid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 11:22 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The PT kids were no bigger than the other teams. Actually the 91 Ambush kids and 2way kids were bigger. And please, the idea of Florida kids coming in for PT, LOL, absolutely no.


Primetime had the biggest kids (read oldest) on the field today at Yale for 2021 division. The kid coming in from Florida sounds far fetched but that was the rumor today. I think he tried out for our team. If true, this sport has taken another step towards insanity.


Looneys 2020 has at least 1 (I believe it is 2 now) players that fly in from FL for them. I still can't believe it. People are nuts
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 11:47 AM

Looks like that prediction should have started bottom up..



quote=Anonymous]3d NE 2021
2 Way Select 2021
Predators 2021
NH Tomahawks 2021 Purple
Necks 2021 Orange
Primetime 2021
Team 91 Ambush
LI Express North 2021
3d NE South 2021
CT Bulldogs 2021
LI Outlaws Black 2021
LI Empire 2021

Where is Black Ice, LIE Channy, Icon, 91 Orange, Eclipse or Laxachusettes. Without those six programs this tournament is a B level tournament and anyone has a chance of winning the 2021 bracket. My money is on Outlaws Black. Go Outlaws make Long Island proud.
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 12:14 PM
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 12:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The PT kids were no bigger than the other teams. Actually the 91 Ambush kids and 2way kids were bigger. And please, the idea of Florida kids coming in for PT, LOL, absolutely no.


Primetime had the biggest kids (read oldest) on the field today at Yale for 2021 division. The kid coming in from Florida sounds far fetched but that was the rumor today. I think he tried out for our team. If true, this sport has taken another step towards insanity.



The kid from FL is a fact. He has played on PT for a number of years. Big and talented. I don't doubt some of those kids are in 7th, I do doubt that they are 12/13. Height is one thing, filled out with height is another.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 01:13 PM
Looks like 91 Ambush is finding there way. They beat LIE North 7-3, Beat Necks Orange 6-3, & gave PT there only tuff game of the day with a 6-4 loss.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 01:24 PM
How did Empire Black do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 01:28 PM
Made it all the way to 1st place championship and tied . No Braveheart.




quote=Anonymous]How did Empire Black do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws tied Empire 4-4 but there was some controversy over one goal. A shot from Empire went through the cage. One ref said goal and another said no goal. That would have given the game to Empire. Outlaws then went on to beat 3D NE south and then CT Bulldogs. They were eliminated from the finals due to goal differential with Empire. All in all a great day for lacrosse.
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 02:43 PM
I happened to keep an eye on their games. Hate to say it but if they keep this up, all winter and have a solid spring, this will be a powerful team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like 91 Ambush is finding there way. They beat LIE North 7-3, Beat Necks Orange 6-3, & gave PT there only tuff game of the day with a 6-4 loss.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 02:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like 91 Ambush is finding there way. They beat LIE North 7-3, Beat Necks Orange 6-3, & gave PT there only tuff game of the day with a 6-4 loss.
Yeah. and the week before this they lost every game. Stop. If they played their A team theyd lose 20 to 0
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 03:31 PM
Ok so you must of been one of the parents who's kid got cut. Ok move forward and get over it. You are correct they lost every game in a torn. (it was actually two weeks ago)
So what does a team do. They regroup, fix issues, practice, and try again. (You seem like a person who lays down a dies, and blames everyone else but yourself. It's very clear based on your comment)
They went up to YALE and had a successful day. What is wrong with that? Oh wait, you probably never played sports also. Yet you have a crystal ball to predict the future of a 20-0 score. If that is true and you do have a crystal ball can you come out from behind your computer and give me the this weeks Lotto numbers.
Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 04:24 PM
I am not the person who wrote the post. Negative comments against 91 does not come from being cut. Sitting on the sidelines and listening to the parents is awful. Then reading these threads. This is every year not just 2021. And before you make any assumptions my kids never tried out for any 91 team and have never lost to any 91 team accept 2021 Heat in a close game. As for Ambush they have some talent. If they can stay together they have potential to be an A or even AA. They are not there yet. The teams they beat yesterday are not A. Just keep practicing and make it fun for the kids. People will notice when they become an A team. You don't have to say it here or on the sidelines. Good luck this year. Have fun and don't worry so much of about A or B. thid travel lax goes fast and you won't enjoy it you are always arguing about how good the team is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 04:39 PM
Agree 100% my comment was in response to this one
"Yeah. and the week before this they lost every game. Stop. If they played their A team theyd lose 20 to 0"
Ur comment is accurate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so you must of been one of the parents who's kid got cut. Ok move forward and get over it. You are correct they lost every game in a torn. (it was actually two weeks ago)
So what does a team do. They regroup, fix issues, practice, and try again. (You seem like a person who lays down a dies, and blames everyone else but yourself. It's very clear based on your comment)
They went up to YALE and had a successful day. What is wrong with that? Oh wait, you probably never played sports also. Yet you have a crystal ball to predict the future of a 20-0 score. If that is true and you do have a crystal ball can you come out from behind your computer and give me the this weeks Lotto numbers.
Thanks
Son never played for 91 although was offered a spot on the white team a few years back. I read the 2021 thread because that's my sons age. WHat is the need I wonder for pareents to com eon this thread and write that 91 B team is better then their A team ? [lacrosse] silly is it that fater a week of going 0-3 you hear nothing, then a week or so later when you have a decent day against B plus teams the need to come on here and post {its all coming together, see, we are sooooo great" Stop, you have a bunch a good players who will probably all be starters on their HS teams in the future but you are not an elite team. What is the need to subject those who read this thread to idiotic postings of greatness that everybody except those who have a kid on the team and are delusional know to be false? And of course if anybody point this out, they must have been cut from the team and filled with envy, not somebody that merely rolls their eyes and points out the obvious. God < or members a few years ago the Express B team telling everybody they where better then the A team , or the Outlaws top team proclamation every year that there was as good as 91, Igloo , Icon and Express. What is teh need to do this ? Just play lacrosse, some updates on close games and good play is nice,
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 07:35 PM
Empire black played in the championship?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 08:12 PM
smile


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Empire black played in the championship?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 08:57 PM
icon just beat crabs and eclipse to win
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 09:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
icon just beat crabs and eclipse to win



That's bad news for Express.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 09:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Empire black played in the championship?

Yes, they tied 4-4. Empire was in control early and looked like they were going to run away with it. Second half Bronxville got a second wind and tied it up just before the end of the game. Good game to watch.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 10:20 PM
This is why you can't believe most things you read on here. A previous post said they played in a championship at Yale.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That Empire Team is a joke

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedule was released tonight and empire black is in B not b/c really get your facts straight and stop worrying about sub-par and worry about living up to what your coach and organization claims , after all you been waisting money for a few years trying to get it right !


quote=Anonymous]Why is empire black playing in b/c division? I thought they are empires elite team if they even have one . that's what you call playing for a t-shirt.sub par coaching and players on that team.those parents definitely drink alot of kool aid

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH SMALL BRAIN MAN
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 10:42 PM
What tourney and scores?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 11:25 PM
Saw the score box at booth they actually did play in yale championship . They bumped out outlaws black for first place on goals against . They played Bronxville 7/8th grade team and it was tied . Don't know the reason why it did not have a Braveheart being it was a championship but kudos to empire.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is why you can't believe most things you read on here. A previous post said they played in a championship at Yale.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That Empire Team is a joke

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedule was released tonight and empire black is in B not b/c really get your facts straight and stop worrying about sub-par and worry about living up to what your coach and organization claims , after all you been waisting money for a few years trying to get it right !


quote=Anonymous]Why is empire black playing in b/c division? I thought they are empires elite team if they even have one . that's what you call playing for a t-shirt.sub par coaching and players on that team.those parents definitely drink alot of kool aid

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH SMALL BRAIN MAN
[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/15/15 11:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The PT kids were no bigger than the other teams. Actually the 91 Ambush kids and 2way kids were bigger. And please, the idea of Florida kids coming in for PT, LOL, absolutely no.


Primetime had the biggest kids (read oldest) on the field today at Yale for 2021 division. The kid coming in from Florida sounds far fetched but that was the rumor today. I think he tried out for our team. If true, this sport has taken another step towards insanity.



The kid from FL is a fact. He has played on PT for a number of years. Big and talented. I don't doubt some of those kids are in 7th, I do doubt that they are 12/13. Height is one thing, filled out with height is another.


Prime time 2021 plays a kid who lives in Florida and flies in for tournaments? As a parent I would not be happy if my son lost playing time to a ringer who just shows up for tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 01:09 AM
Florida kid is true, but he is originally from the Hudson Valley area and played with us last season and no one complained. Unbelievable when we lost to Express & Avalanche last season no complaints. Give PT credit they worked hard and got better talent and now are the beast of Westchester/Connecticut. Good for them
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 01:11 AM
what tournament? Scores?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 01:17 AM
Eclipse 2021 is a strong team. Lost to icon today 5-4 in the championship round at a Maryland tournament. These two teams had beaten the crabs and edge in the playoffs to get to the finals. Eclipse had also beaten icon earlier in the day. Primetime and eclipse will definitely challenge Long Island for spots at the World Series tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 01:24 AM

DIVISION ROUND TEAM 2 SCORE TEAM 3 SCORE TIME FIELD
2021 1 Crabs 2021 11 Red Freedom LC 1 8:00 AM 1
2021 1 Edge Lacrosse 11 Lax Factory 3 8:00 AM 2
2021 1 LA Heat 21/22 1 Leading Edge 8 8:00 AM 3
2021 1 Madlax - Capital 1 Icon Lacrosse 8 8:00 AM 4
2021 1 VLC 1 Eclipse 2021 8 8:00 AM 5
2021 1 Harvest Lacrosse Academy 7 Legacy Greyhounds 8 8:00
2021 2 Crabs 2021 14 LA Heat 21/22 0 9:40 AM 2
2021 2 Red Freedom LC 6 Lax Factory 4 9:40 AM 3
2021 2 Edge Lacrosse 6 Leading Edge 4 9:40 AM 4
2021 2 Madlax - Capital 7 Harvest Lacrosse Academy 4 9:40 AM
2021 2 VLC 2 Legacy Greyhounds 3 9:40 AM 6
2021 2 Icon Lacrosse 4 Eclipse 2021 7 9:40 AM 7
2021 3 Crabs 2021 7 Edge Lacrosse 3 11:20 AM 6
2021 3 Red Freedom LC 11 LA Heat 21/22 3 11:20 AM 5
2021 3 Lax Factory 3 Leading Edge 9 11:20 AM 4
2021 3 Madlax - Capital 5 VLC 3 12:10 PM 2
2021 3 Icon Lacrosse 9 Harvest Lacrosse Academy 4 12:10 PM 3
2021 3 Eclipse 2021 15 Legacy Greyhounds 1 12:10 PM 4
2021 Semifinal Red Division Winner - Crabs 2021 2 Yellow

Division Winner- Icon Lacrosse - 4 Crabs - 2
2021 Semifinal Blue Division Winner- Edge Lacrosse 3 Green Division Winner- Eclipse-7 / Edge-3
2021 Final Red/Yellow Winner-

Championship
Icon Lacrosse 5 Blue/Green Winner- Eclipse 2021 4

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 12:57 PM
Prime time will have to compete for Wsyl spot without the kid from Florida. 99 mile limit imposed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 02:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw two of the games. Penalties came after 91 was getting blown out. Those penalties called would have been penalties in the 80s as well. Heard they called the third game 91 played that day because of dirty play after the score was out of reach. It is a shame because they have two or three players that can make any team in 2021. Don't know if they will stay if the team continues on the path they are currently taking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush team is solid and is going to take everyone by surprise living upto there name ! They eliminated a decent amount on list of last year's roster and replaced them with underated players that weren't part of the orange click .The last few practices they have looked far more talented and then the limelight team which was not part of the tryouts because that team was already recruited and picked before then. Ambush has finally obtained the cream of the crop! Tomorrow is the day every one will see.


one of the recent posts about this years improvement. Seems pretty happy to be rid of last years roster. I guess its the cream of the B crop. Maybe if they played the game the way it is supposed to be played and left the Hansen brothers from Slapshot at home they would be competitive
Definitely too many penalties that last tournament. A lot of that had to do with ONE referee who got his panties in a bunch. Unfortunately the game has changed and contact is frowned upon now. Have to change to this wimpy version. If you played the game you know that this is not the same game!
I saw two games also. In the game against the Outlaws those penalties were the reason for the blowout. Ambush beat that team the week before. I'm not saying that they are better but can compete. I disagree that those penalties would have been called in the 80's especially when it was just one referee calling all of them. Even when the other ref was closer. A few of the Outlaws parents agreed. Listen this is just another team trying to make the jump to A. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. Don't let one disgruntled ex parent who's son got cut stir up nonsense. Let the boys play and improve without the nonsense which they certainly didn't bring on themselves.



This is wrong and not worthy of belief on so many levels. Just have your kid play the tournament this weekend and hope 91 can do well against the B teams they will be playing. Stop saying they can compete in A. They are now playing b teams because they have played 8 games against A and B plus teams and have one win by one goal to show for it. The rest of the games they got blownout. Give it a rest already.
Excuse me, but pay attention. They played in A, beat Express North, and gave Primetime the only competition for the day. They are gelling, and will only get better. Know what you're talking about.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 03:46 PM
What do folks think of the apparent trend of 2020 teams (not just Crush this past Summer) playing up to 2019 for recruiting events this Fall?

Is this a meaningless blip or are we seeing the first signs of recruiting moving even 6-12 months earlier?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 04:46 PM
A meaningless blip on a 2021 page
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 04:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The PT kids were no bigger than the other teams. Actually the 91 Ambush kids and 2way kids were bigger. And please, the idea of Florida kids coming in for PT, LOL, absolutely no.


Primetime had the biggest kids (read oldest) on the field today at Yale for 2021 division. The kid coming in from Florida sounds far fetched but that was the rumor today. I think he tried out for our team. If true, this sport has taken another step towards insanity.


If Prime Time has older kids on their team, how are they permitted to play in the 2021 division?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 05:07 PM
Have a son who plays on the Legacy team which is not very strong but he enjoys the experience. Does not have the ability to play on the higher teams and I am very happy watching him enjoy the game a being part of a team meeting new kids etc. With that being said I had a friend who has a son play on the Eclipse team ( which blew us out) so I stayed to watch the two semi final and final games in MD. The three teams Eclipse, Icon and Crabs are top teams ( Edge team not at their level). The few things I took from this were, What are they feeding the kids in MD, the size of these 12 year old 7th graders was amazing as well as a number of the kids from Conn. I was kidding with my friend and really did get a answer as to the age and grade of a few of them. The Icon team looked like true 7th graders but played like older kids. Was told Eclipse beat them in them first by winning a number of F/O but that was not the case in finals, two good teams and Icon pulled it out in the end on a goal in the last second, very exciting I'm sure for those kids. They were the best lacrosse players, Crabs were just bigger at this point, never saw so many hairy leg 7th graders before on one team, I think my son's team has 1 or maybe 2. One of the best things I heard before the final game was the coaching from Icon telling the kids that they don't care if they win the game but to play hard as they thought they did not first time they play the Conn team
get better and enjoy the game. They moved the ball better than every team there and it was fun to watch, got home just in time to watch the Giants blew it. Congrats to both the Icon team and Eclipse team, no dirty play during the game, no bad mouthing in the stands and refs let them play and a great end of the game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 06:39 PM
Crabs were bigger because they are absolutely older. Wont be same roster for WSYL events - assuming Crabs engage - likely will - since they reached finals with 2020 group. The entire roster is 2021 - no doubt - just a question of age. In a Grade Based Event - no rules being violated, but there are some 2001 birth dates on that squad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 10:08 PM
So we are clear there are 14 03s on the edge team. That is a 2022 team I think.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 10:10 PM
Crabs 2021 absolutely has older kids on that team. Verified by a team parent on sideline. Said they have 5 or 6 older kids 2 of which are closer to to 15 than 14. Said they don't think they are even attempting WSYL because they'll not have the players to compete.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 10:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2021 absolutely has older kids on that team. Verified by a team parent on sideline. Said they have 5 or 6 older kids 2 of which are closer to to 15 than 14. Said they don't think they are even attempting WSYL because they'll not have the players to compete.


14-15 year olds competing with 12 year olds. Somehow those parents and coaches think that's ok?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 10:41 PM
Still can't win their own tournament with the older kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 10:49 PM
We can all go crazy arguing about the age of the kids. I'm not stating that PT had kids that weren't in 7th grade. what I'm suggesting is that for one reason or another some of their 7th graders may be closer to 13/14 rather than 12/13. Could be anything from an intentional holdback heading into kindergarten, holdback in 7th grade because of private school, holdback because their dumb. Who knows why but the fact is that if you've watched enough lacrosse (and most here have) you know what a "real" 7th grader looks like when they play. And for the kids that are clearly older it is glaring. It's not just that they are taller but that their entire body mechanics have shifted from that of little athletic boys to that of physically maturing young men. And if you happen to catch a glimpse of them with their helmets off you can just see that they are older especially when compared to their teammates that are "real" 7th graders. But unless lax goes age based that's just the way it goes and it's probably most difficult for 7th and 8th graders because that for many is a clear pre/post puberty age. You can have a highly talented 12 year old but put that kid against a highly talented 14 year old and it's game over. Everyone should stop complaining and live with it. If your son is good at 12 but not yet developed he'll be good at 14 when he puts on some bulk. The fact that his age will prevent him from playing on some AA team? Who cares. If he's good, they will find him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 11:19 PM
Because they are in 7th grade. Duh
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 11:33 PM
I spoke to an Edge dad and he said in Canada it is age only not grade. edge is a good team but not a top ten. Crabs were big but played soft the total opposite of Icon. That is the biggest reason Icon won they out worked Crabs and Eclipse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/16/15 11:39 PM
I'm sure most Long Island Parents would rather play these teams from other states with the older kids to have competitive games. However it is frustrating when they pound their chest with a one goal win and deny what everyone knows. The truth is they need to send their 14 year olds to play against Long Island teams to compete.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
We can all go crazy arguing about the age of the kids. I'm not stating that PT had kids that weren't in 7th grade. what I'm suggesting is that for one reason or another some of their 7th graders may be closer to 13/14 rather than 12/13. Could be anything from an intentional holdback heading into kindergarten, holdback in 7th grade because of private school, holdback because their dumb. Who knows why but the fact is that if you've watched enough lacrosse (and most here have) you know what a "real" 7th grader looks like when they play. And for the kids that are clearly older it is glaring. It's not just that they are taller but that their entire body mechanics have shifted from that of little athletic boys to that of physically maturing young men. And if you happen to catch a glimpse of them with their helmets off you can just see that they are older especially when compared to their teammates that are "real" 7th graders. But unless lax goes age based that's just the way it goes and it's probably most difficult for 7th and 8th graders because that for many is a clear pre/post puberty age. You can have a highly talented 12 year old but put that kid against a highly talented 14 year old and it's game over. Everyone should stop complaining and live with it. If your son is good at 12 but not yet developed he'll be good at 14 when he puts on some bulk. The fact that his age will prevent him from playing on some AA team? Who cares. If he's good, they will find him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 12:12 AM
icon is making a statement that they are one of the best if not the best on LI
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 12:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So we are clear there are 14 03s on the edge team. That is a 2022 team I think.


No, that's the birth year for True 2021's on Long Island.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 12:46 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
icon is making a statement that they are one of the best if not the best on LI



Has Icon ever beaten Igloo or 91 for that matter?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 01:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
icon is making a statement that they are one of the best if not the best on LI

I heard they only have 20 practices all year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 02:48 AM
They beat everyone this past weekend at their first tournament with few practices. These other teams have been playing all fall. Imagine if this icon team played as much of the others. Any time a team shows they are getting better and could challenge express, igloo or 91 someone has to put them down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
icon is making a statement that they are one of the best if not the best on LI

I heard they only have 20 practices all year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 03:07 AM
Icon wins a tournament with only a few practices. The next Crush!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 03:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Icon wins a tournament with only a few practices. The next Crush!!!


Nope, Crush practices a lot! No team out works them!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 11:39 AM
To Each, his Own.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 12:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I spoke to an Edge dad and he said in Canada it is age only not grade. edge is a good team but not a top ten. Crabs were big but played soft the total opposite of Icon. That is the biggest reason Icon won they out worked Crabs and Eclipse.


The Edge program registers all of their teams down a year, its the program policy. They claim all of the players will be doing a PG year. Its a BS policy but again, its up to tournament directors to accept the teams registration.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 12:25 PM
They also lost to Eclipse 7-4. Icon is a very strong team but in regards to a tournament like WSYL size would be a big disadvantage over a 5-6 game span. Icon is definitely a very strong team but there were rumblings that 91 picked up many new strong players and is the equal to Black Ice.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 12:36 PM
DeTomasso is never out coached. Let's be honest in youth sports Coaching plays a huge part of it. Icon will always play hard and be in games to the end.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 01:44 PM
Icon started off slow on the game they lost, they started coming back but there wasnt enough time on the clock. I think the key point on this is that they fought hard to the very end when the game counted and won it with 5 seconds left. Also keep in mind, that was their 5th game of the day, last two games against kids much larger than them in size. It appears they can hang playing 5-6 games in a row, against kids larger in size and will fight until the end of the games. They have added some new and returning kids to their roster this year, will be a strong team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 02:10 PM
I've seen a number of the better teams play now after being in Md this weekend. Igloo is the best team, Crabs are very good, Eclipse was better than I thought, have not really seen 91 this year and last year thought they were a little overrated, Express hard to tell as they bring in kids from other teams and places so really don't know who is on that team, Icon pretty much has the same main kids who are just flat out good lacrosse players. Icon I never hear of them trying to recruit kids, take kids from other teams, take year older kids who may be in the grade higher, just see them as a much classer team and when I saw the two coach's on their sidelines I see why, they just would not do those things. Just coach and teach the kids the right way to do things. When I saw a kid who played for Igloo last year now playing on the 2020 Legacy team that is just cheating last year no way around it, he was in the grade above, if there are teams with late 2002 birthrates and are in the class of 2021 that is fine, when they are not in that grade that is wrong no two-ways around that, don't think or know if eclipse does that don't think so as their coach is a former respected lacrosse player they may have some late 2002 birthdays which is fine but I'm sure now class of 2020 kids. If kids are 2001 birthdates and still in the class of 2021 then the parents need to be examined. The Icon team may not be the best team and while they are really good, Igloo seems better but if I had a kid in the grade and they wanted to be taught the right way to play you should have him on that team. Any college coach and I can't see every coach in the country taking their calls over every other team in the 2021 class. Very organized team that does over do it by playing limited fall schedule as these kids should be playing football, soccer basketball first in the fall and winter and the lacrosse in the spring. Down in Md I was hearing that some of these teams are playing in 3-4 tourneys for what? so the organizations can take more money from you. What I would like to see someone post the costs of each team, I bet Icon is towards the bottom in costs and the return is so much more. So Igloo, Crabs, 91, express keep paying those owners and keep winning tourneys so their 4-5 tops kids get everything and not learn about lacrosse, which my kid had the talent to play at those top level teams and there would not be any other team for hi to play on. Don't care who wins, find me a college coach who cares who wins any 2021 tourney over who are good smart lacrosse players and good kids. Icon you guys were fun to watch over the past weekend keep doing what you are doing and don't worry if you loss to some of these other teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 02:26 PM
Congrats to Ambush. Three wins all fall. Please stop you sound silly at this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I happened to keep an eye on their games. Hate to say it but if they keep this up, all winter and have a solid spring, this will be a powerful team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like 91 Ambush is finding there way. They beat LIE North 7-3, Beat Necks Orange 6-3, & gave PT there only tuff game of the day with a 6-4 loss.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 04:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to Ambush. Three wins all fall. Please stop you sound silly at this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I happened to keep an eye on their games. Hate to say it but if they keep this up, all winter and have a solid spring, this will be a powerful team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like 91 Ambush is finding there way. They beat LIE North 7-3, Beat Necks Orange 6-3, & gave PT there only tuff game of the day with a 6-4 loss.
At least they have the guts to move up and take a beating. They crushed every team in the B bracket, and went to the finals in an A bracket last summer. I would much rather get beat as a A and learn, than get a stupid T Shirt in a B. Many a team has dropped down to B just for that reason.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 05:47 PM
Equal to Black Ice is not saying that much since their performance this year has not been that dominating with the core kids still there. Listen 91 is a good club and BS knows how to build a defense but that is all they will ever have.

Another 91 parent trying to stir conversation and frankly they don't deserve to be mentioned in the same conversation. What have they proved? Play some tough 2021 AA games and stop running off to NJ to play 2020 B Teams. Is this so we pay the fee in hopes to see them at LaxFest again and then cross our fingers it doesn't rain?

I put them 5th behind Icon, Igloo, Crabs, and Express (No Such Order)

Happy Thanksgiving!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 06:56 PM
Ambush will turn it around when Berry gets full control. That has been the intention all along. You get so many years to make a team work , after no success even a director will have no choice but to implement a new leader.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to Ambush. Three wins all fall. Please stop you sound silly at this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I happened to keep an eye on their games. Hate to say it but if they keep this up, all winter and have a solid spring, this will be a powerful team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like 91 Ambush is finding there way. They beat LIE North 7-3, Beat Necks Orange 6-3, & gave PT there only tuff game of the day with a 6-4 loss.
At least they have the guts to move up and take a beating. They crushed every team in the B bracket, and went to the finals in an A bracket last summer. I would much rather get beat as a A and learn, than get a stupid T Shirt in a B. Many a team has dropped down to B just for that reason.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 07:00 PM
Heat was not impressive in PA this weekend. Bunch of close games against 2020 B teams. I have seen all the top four Long Island teams this year and 91 is number four. Express and Icon has past them. They would all beat each other if they play enough times but Express and icon would beat them more often. Sad to say but Express with guest players may be two and icon three behind black ice but ahead of 91.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Equal to Black Ice is not saying that much since their performance this year has not been that dominating with the core kids still there. Listen 91 is a good club and BS knows how to build a defense but that is all they will ever have.

Another 91 parent trying to stir conversation and frankly they don't deserve to be mentioned in the same conversation. What have they proved? Play some tough 2021 AA games and stop running off to NJ to play 2020 B Teams. Is this so we pay the fee in hopes to see them at LaxFest again and then cross our fingers it doesn't rain?

I put them 5th behind Icon, Igloo, Crabs, and Express (No Such Order)

Happy Thanksgiving!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 07:03 PM
Express got much better after he left. Not saying his departure was the he reason they got better. Time wil tell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ambush will turn it around when Berry gets full control. That has been the intention all along. You get so many years to make a team work , after no success even a director will have no choice but to implement a new leader.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to Ambush. Three wins all fall. Please stop you sound silly at this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I happened to keep an eye on their games. Hate to say it but if they keep this up, all winter and have a solid spring, this will be a powerful team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like 91 Ambush is finding there way. They beat LIE North 7-3, Beat Necks Orange 6-3, & gave PT there only tuff game of the day with a 6-4 loss.
At least they have the guts to move up and take a beating. They crushed every team in the B bracket, and went to the finals in an A bracket last summer. I would much rather get beat as a A and learn, than get a stupid T Shirt in a B. Many a team has dropped down to B just for that reason.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 07:28 PM
Good post.
2021 Teams that look very strong this Fall - no order:
Igloo
Express
Icon
91
Crabs
Bethesda
Annapolis Hawks
Green Turtle
Eclipse
Prime Time

There are likely some others - expect Carolina Cannons to be very good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 08:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good post.
2021 Teams that look very strong this Fall - no order:
Igloo
Express
Icon
91
Crabs
Bethesda
Annapolis Hawks
Green Turtle
Eclipse
Prime Time

There are likely some others - expect Carolina Cannons to be very good.


You may mean the Team Carolina 2021 team (fka S. Charlotte Cyclones), who are very good and went to WSYL last Summer and only lost by 1 goal to Igloo. Cannons is a very good program, however.

Who's Mad Dog West, who did well at Summer Young Guns and also lost by 1 to Igloo?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 10:21 PM
Annapolis hawks seem to be out place.

c2c Dallas and Edge are also in that mix though the top teams are much better. Also depends how much cheating is happening with the age group. 15 year old should not be playing 2021.

Crabs team is an embarrassment to the sport for abusing the age rules. Should be addressed.






Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/17/15 11:32 PM
April 2nd & 3rd the power houses:

Black Ice, 91, Express, Icon, Eclipse,Primetime & Laxachusettes with play at the regionals for WSYL in Massachusettes. This will definitely give us more info on where teams stand.

June 11th & 12th:

91, Express, Eclipse, Primetime, Crabs & Laxachusettes will be In Pa. Igloo & Icon should enter and it would be out of this world.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/18/15 02:56 AM
Annapolis Hawks won NYPLL championship over Crabs and Bethesda last year and also beat Koopers and Green Turtle. They belong there...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/18/15 03:12 AM
Crabs has 2 kids held back for 2 years and another 5 kids held back for one year. Confirmed when birth dates were accidentally distributed before fall tourney in Maryland . Sad for growth of the game....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/18/15 04:46 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs has 2 kids held back for 2 years and another 5 kids held back for one year. Confirmed when birth dates were accidentally distributed before fall tourney in Maryland . Sad for growth of the game....
If that's true it is a disgrace! I am pretty sure that if my son was playing with 10 year olds he would be unstoppable. With 11 year olds completely dominant. I certainly wouldn't be puffing my chest out like my kid was some phenom. Never mind the safety aspects how about personal pride? Sad state of affairs!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/18/15 10:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs has 2 kids held back for 2 years and another 5 kids held back for one year. Confirmed when birth dates were accidentally distributed before fall tourney in Maryland . Sad for growth of the game....


It just means they need to roster older kids to compete with all the other teams. Play your game and put the Crabs to shame. Their reputation has gotten so pathetic that games against them are almost irrelevant.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/18/15 11:40 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs has 2 kids held back for 2 years and another 5 kids held back for one year. Confirmed when birth dates were accidentally distributed before fall tourney in Maryland . Sad for growth of the game....


It just means they need to roster older kids to compete with all the other teams. Play your game and put the Crabs to shame. Their reputation has gotten so pathetic that games against them are almost irrelevant.


But they are in 2021 right???? LOL ....... AGE NOT GRADE BASED MAKES SENSE NO???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/18/15 01:21 PM
Cheaters will always find a way to cheat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs has 2 kids held back for 2 years and another 5 kids held back for one year. Confirmed when birth dates were accidentally distributed before fall tourney in Maryland . Sad for growth of the game....


It just means they need to roster older kids to compete with all the other teams. Play your game and put the Crabs to shame. Their reputation has gotten so pathetic that games against them are almost irrelevant.


But they are in 2021 right???? LOL ....... AGE NOT GRADE BASED MAKES SENSE NO???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/18/15 02:36 PM
Hawks do belong.

I know it's a first-world problem, but we all know that it's not cool for your kids to work hard, hit the wall, practice hard, etc., and then not see success on the field in some games just because the other team is older and bigger.

But it's not just the Crabs. If everyone is playing older kids (i.e., older than 9/1 cutoff), it's a bit disingenuous to complain about the team that is just doing it more. My perception is that there is not an AA 2021 team in the country with only on-age kids. That's why [lacrosse]'s and WSYL have 5/1 and 6/1 age cutoffs. I would be most AA teams have 5-10 "older" kids. Full year holdbacks may be rare, but I think parents holding back Spring/Summer birthdays has become very common in metro areas, not just Md. Maybe it's a private school thing, of course, as many metro areas have affluent in-city neighborhoods where private schools attract more kids.

The average bday of my 2021 team is 2/1/03. Replace my 5 youngest kids with 5 Summer 2002 birthdays and the average age of my team moves 3 months earlier to 11/1/02. Replace 10 youngest kids with 10 Summer 2002 birthdays and average age moves to 9/1/02. I don't think those age differences are unsafe or the end of the world, but folks are crazy if they don't think those extra months on average don't affect gameplay on the field - especially when you are talking about 13 olds just starting to hit growth spurts. Anyway, /rant off
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/18/15 02:38 PM
Hard not to through Igloo in this picture as I saw a player this past weekend now play for a 2020 team which played on the 2021 team last year, if he is fact a 2020 kid then they cheated.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/18/15 03:00 PM
Igloo won [lacrosse]'s with the then 9/1 cut-off date. Not sure whey [lacrosse]'s and WYSL went to 5/1 - 6/1. Maybe because of the Crabs? And the Crabs lost to Crush. So didnt help them much.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/18/15 03:33 PM
[lacrosse]'s last year was 8/1 and [lacrosse]'s has no grade rule.

The biggest, most athletic 2020 in my area (playing up to varsity in 3 sports) has a June birthday and could play with my "U13" team in 13 months at [lacrosse]'s. Ridiculous.

Again, I think most travel teams from big cities have multiple summer birthdays. That must be why [lacrosse]'s changed and WSYL picked 5/1.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/18/15 03:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo won [lacrosse]'s with the then 9/1 cut-off date. Not sure whey [lacrosse]'s and WYSL went to 5/1 - 6/1. Maybe because of the Crabs? And the Crabs lost to Crush. So didnt help them much.


I believe the Pa school cutoff date is 6/1. Which would make many of their players ineligible for the tourneys. That puts Pa teams 5 months ahead of our cutoff of 11/15 or 12/1 whatever it is, our middle to younger 2021's would be their older 2022's.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/18/15 06:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Annapolis hawks seem to be out place.

c2c Dallas and Edge are also in that mix though the top teams are much better. Also depends how much cheating is happening with the age group. 15 year old should not be playing 2021.

Crabs team is an embarrassment to the sport for abusing the age rules. Should be addressed.

Crabs team is an embarrassment? The ENTIRE Edge lacrosse team is at least one year older than the bracket they play in. That program should be barred from coming down to America and not playing in the appropriate division.






Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/18/15 07:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Annapolis hawks seem to be out place.

c2c Dallas and Edge are also in that mix though the top teams are much better. Also depends how much cheating is happening with the age group. 15 year old should not be playing 2021.

Crabs team is an embarrassment to the sport for abusing the age rules. Should be addressed.



Crabs team is an embarrassment? The ENTIRE Edge lacrosse team is at least one year older than the bracket they play in. That program should be barred from coming down to America and not playing in the appropriate division.

I agree that Edge should be banned from US tournaments but two wrongs don't make it right. Crabs is an embarrassment but the pushback you get from the program and parents is that they are playing by the existing rules. That pos fat crab daddy would never ban Edge as he wants the money. I would love to see him show the rosters for all of their teams providing the date of birth for all players,, not their names just date of birth, but that will never happen. And some on here are talking about Looney's parents, take a look at the Crab parents, just plain disgusting in every way. They are the followers of the fat Crab cult leader.





Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/18/15 07:57 PM
Will Team Carolina be able to abide by the 100 mile radius rule for all players? Means kids from Raleigh cannot play for Charlotte based team......

Good rule - to keep Clubs with multiple locations from combining teams - ie. madlax national or 3d national or Team 91 NY/MD.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/18/15 08:09 PM
"just plain disgusting in every way" is a rather broad generalization of a rather diverse group of parents. I don't think this is a supportable statement.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/18/15 08:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will Team Carolina be able to abide by the 100 mile radius rule for all players? Means kids from Raleigh cannot play for Charlotte based team......

Good rule - to keep Clubs with multiple locations from combining teams - ie. madlax national or 3d national or Team 91 NY/MD.


It's funny but one rule where WSYL actually is ahead of U.S. Lacrosse, whose U15 Nationals keep getting won by all-star teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/19/15 02:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo won [lacrosse]'s with the then 9/1 cut-off date. Not sure whey [lacrosse]'s and WYSL went to 5/1 - 6/1. Maybe because of the Crabs? And the Crabs lost to Crush. So didnt help them much.


Ridiculous to go to a 5/1 cutoff. The absolute most should be a July 1.. But in the world of holdbacks I guess 5/1 is better than no date..just grade
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/19/15 10:14 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo won [lacrosse]'s with the then 9/1 cut-off date. Not sure whey [lacrosse]'s and WYSL went to 5/1 - 6/1. Maybe because of the Crabs? And the Crabs lost to Crush. So didnt help them much.


Ridiculous to go to a 5/1 cutoff. The absolute most should be a July 1.. But in the world of holdbacks I guess 5/1 is better than no date..just grade


5/1 might help a little but real talent will thrive even with this cutoff. As the previous poster stated- you saw what happens when the Crabs had to roster their kids according to a somewhat fair cut off. Just goes to show some teams can only compete using older kids. I can't imagine Crabs will want to unload another team to show their true colors again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/19/15 08:10 PM
Not a Crabs fan here, but this comment is silly. What happened when Crabs played on age, was that they showed they were the 2nd bets team in country....sorry - I don't like them either, but that aint too bad. Only 20 boys on Team 91 Crush - I would like to think it is worth having all of these other teams play the sport. 2nd is not bad at WSYL - for sure.

Crush is undisputed of course.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/19/15 08:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a Crabs fan here, but this comment is silly. What happened when Crabs played on age, was that they showed they were the 2nd bets team in country....sorry - I don't like them either, but that aint too bad. Only 20 boys on Team 91 Crush - I would like to think it is worth having all of these other teams play the sport. 2nd is not bad at WSYL - for sure.

Crush is undisputed of course.


WSYL was a ball of fun- but if there were teams that were not there that could have changed the championship game teams. Crush is a definite, but when Crabs don't have older players, Looneys, Express, Legacy, etc are all quite competitive. Yes, Crabs are good, but the older players are difference makers which is why they cut their 2020 kids to bring down 2019 kids this year. There are many teams just as good as Crabs without older players. I don't think that's silly at all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/19/15 08:46 PM
Yep, but those other teams were not there.....and probably because they had kids who were too old to attend.....LI teams perhaps not, but Looneys probably has couple - most Maryland Teams do.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/19/15 09:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yep, but those other teams were not there.....and probably because they had kids who were too old to attend.....LI teams perhaps not, but Looneys probably has couple - most Maryland Teams do.


Breaking news: All the LI teams have holdbacks. They couldn't take the MD cheating ways, so decided to join them. Nice morals. Great caracter! Igloo, Crush , Express, Legacy, outlaws are just a few that I know for sure harbor holdbacks. You can't complain when your team is doing the same thing. Even if it's just one kid!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/19/15 11:41 PM
You have no clue. All these teams don't have holdbacks. Maybe some but not all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yep, but those other teams were not there.....and probably because they had kids who were too old to attend.....LI teams perhaps not, but Looneys probably has couple - most Maryland Teams do.


Breaking news: All the LI teams have holdbacks. They couldn't take the MD cheating ways, so decided to join them. Nice morals. Great caracter! Igloo, Crush , Express, Legacy, outlaws are just a few that I know for sure harbor holdbacks. You can't complain when your team is doing the same thing. Even if it's just one kid!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/20/15 01:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You have no clue. All these teams don't have holdbacks. Maybe some but not all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yep, but those other teams were not there.....and probably because they had kids who were too old to attend.....LI teams perhaps not, but Looneys probably has couple - most Maryland Teams do.


Breaking news: All the LI teams have holdbacks. They couldn't take the MD cheating ways, so decided to join them. Nice morals. Great caracter! Igloo, Crush , Express, Legacy, outlaws are just a few that I know for sure harbor holdbacks. You can't complain when your team is doing the same thing. Even if it's just one kid!


Oh yea, which ones dont? I know for a fact the ones I mentioned do. And so does anyone else in the know. I'd love to name names, but unfortunately its not allowed here!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/20/15 01:57 AM
I think the difference is, most LI holdbacks are Fall birthdays- still making them on age in MD and other states. Those that may be older would probably ALL make the cut off set by WSYL. I hate to say it, but if things don't change, LI will probably join them- after all club ball is business. Can you imagine what Crush would look like if they had Extreme and Orange 2019 kids rostered? That'd just be ridiculous, but it does happen in other states. Either way, I think all competitive teams will do fine at the WSYL even with the 5/1 cut off.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/20/15 02:17 AM
I know for a fact at least one of these teams don't have any hold backs

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You have no clue. All these teams don't have holdbacks. Maybe some but not all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yep, but those other teams were not there.....and probably because they had kids who were too old to attend.....LI teams perhaps not, but Looneys probably has couple - most Maryland Teams do.


Breaking news: All the LI teams have holdbacks. They couldn't take the MD cheating ways, so decided to join them. Nice morals. Great caracter! Igloo, Crush , Express, Legacy, outlaws are just a few that I know for sure harbor holdbacks. You can't complain when your team is doing the same thing. Even if it's just one kid!


Oh yea, which ones dont? I know for a fact the ones I mentioned do. And so does anyone else in the know. I'd love to name names, but unfortunately its not allowed here!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/20/15 01:58 PM
just because these are the best Long Island teams it does not mean they have holdbacks. One of these teams you mention have only a few big kids. That team has no hold back. The holdbacks people are talking about are the ones that look like they belong in 8th or 9 th grade and don't look like kids but more like adults. Those kids probably have 2001 or early 2002 birthdates. No one is complaining about the tiny kids with October or November 2003 birthdates. One or two holdbacks on a team although wrong is manageable but those teams off Long Island have at least half the team that looks older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You have no clue. All these teams don't have holdbacks. Maybe some but not all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yep, but those other teams were not there.....and probably because they had kids who were too old to attend.....LI teams perhaps not, but Looneys probably has couple - most Maryland Teams do.


Breaking news: All the LI teams have holdbacks. They couldn't take the MD cheating ways, so decided to join them. Nice morals. Great caracter! Igloo, Crush , Express, Legacy, outlaws are just a few that I know for sure harbor holdbacks. You can't complain when your team is doing the same thing. Even if it's just one kid!


Oh yea, which ones dont? I know for a fact the ones I mentioned do. And so does anyone else in the know. I'd love to name names, but unfortunately its not allowed here!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/20/15 02:27 PM
It doesn't matter if the kid is big or small. It doesn't matter if there are 1 or 10. It's wrong! Don't you get it. If your team has even 1 holdback. You are not aloud to complain. You're breaking the unofficial rules. It is not ok to cheat a little bit! And once again, every single one of those teams has holdbacks. You need to understand your team is no different from any other and stop complaining!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/20/15 02:44 PM
All the whining and crying over youth lacrosse. I cant wait to hear you all [lacrosse] about your kid not varsity because an 18 year old senior is better than your 14 yr old freshmen. Guess what who cares about holdbacks and bs. kids can play or they cant!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/20/15 02:50 PM
If a child is a late 2002 birthday and in the class of 2021 he/she is not a hold back.Many parents do this as a plus for academics. Why not, I have a child who is a late Oct birthday, not great in sports and even if we held him back he would have done a little better on the field but i think even a little better in the classroom where it really counts. Stop the complaining about the fall holdbacks it is not that much of a difference it is those kids who are actually in the class of 2020 that are cheating. If a team is found out to have a child in the grade above that team should be banned from tourney's period just don't let them play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/20/15 02:52 PM
All those teams you mention don't have holdbacks. One I know for a fact does not. The others I have no idea. I find it hard to believe you just happen to know the age of kids on other teams. You are grouping the best teams together and assuming they all have holdbacks when they don't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It doesn't matter if the kid is big or small. It doesn't matter if there are 1 or 10. It's wrong! Don't you get it. If your team has even 1 holdback. You are not aloud to complain. You're breaking the unofficial rules. It is not ok to cheat a little bit! And once again, every single one of those teams has holdbacks. You need to understand your team is no different from any other and stop complaining!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/20/15 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All those teams you mention don't have holdbacks. One I know for a fact does not. The others I have no idea. I find it hard to believe you just happen to know the age of kids on other teams. You are grouping the best teams together and assuming they all have holdbacks when they don't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It doesn't matter if the kid is big or small. It doesn't matter if there are 1 or 10. It's wrong! Don't you get it. If your team has even 1 holdback. You are not aloud to complain. You're breaking the unofficial rules. It is not ok to cheat a little bit! And once again, every single one of those teams has holdbacks. You need to understand your team is no different from any other and stop complaining!


Agreed. ALL of the don't.

But for another I won't mention, I guess you don't consider pre-k redshirts, holdbacks...as a another poster from the OP and former parent of one of these teams, I agree with the OP. I have seen the puberty levels of two players back in 5th grade and had conversations with the parents as well. It wasn't what they were fed, it wasn't a case of 'early puberty'. The parents learned from the situation of older children in the program. The old 'do it before school begins!'. Very disheartening at the time - and the rest of the team still thinks they're naturals.

And when it comes down to it, I wish I knew back then what I know now because my son has a late birthday. It's still a case of one-upmanship and taking advantage of private school rules. Oh well, that's life. Live and learn.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/20/15 06:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All those teams you mention don't have holdbacks. One I know for a fact does not. The others I have no idea. I find it hard to believe you just happen to know the age of kids on other teams. You are grouping the best teams together and assuming they all have holdbacks when they don't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It doesn't matter if the kid is big or small. It doesn't matter if there are 1 or 10. It's wrong! Don't you get it. If your team has even 1 holdback. You are not aloud to complain. You're breaking the unofficial rules. It is not ok to cheat a little bit! And once again, every single one of those teams has holdbacks. You need to understand your team is no different from any other and stop complaining!


Agreed. ALL of the don't.

But for another I won't mention, I guess you don't consider pre-k redshirts, holdbacks...as a another poster from the OP and former parent of one of these teams, I agree with the OP. I have seen the puberty levels of two players back in 5th grade and had conversations with the parents as well. It wasn't what they were fed, it wasn't a case of 'early puberty'. The parents learned from the situation of older children in the program. The old 'do it before school begins!'. Very disheartening at the time - and the rest of the team still thinks they're naturals.

And when it comes down to it, I wish I knew back then what I know now because my son has a late birthday. It's still a case of one-upmanship and taking advantage of private school rules. Oh well, that's life. Live and learn.

My son is an October birthday, and is on a good "B" team at his grade level. I never considered putting him into school a year later because his preschool teachers said he was ready for kindergarten. I mean come on, have a 5 year old be bored for another year just so he may have a chance at a scholarship? I'm more concerned with him getting good grades, and getting better at lax. Nobody ever looked back and said how good somebody was in 8th grade!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/21/15 02:15 AM
I live in Connecticut. My kid just turned 16. But the other parents love it because now my son can drive his 2021 teammates to practice. All good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/21/15 01:52 PM
Wow, classy Long Islander. Another organization can field a quality team and I am going to cry about it. Sounds like this Dad is a little worried.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/21/15 03:34 PM
I did not write that post. Trust me no one is worried. Long Islanders go out of state and play against kids that "just turned 12" that are sometimes 6 feet to as much as 6 foot five. We still beat them. One or two very big kids per team is believable but when most of the team is very big it makes one wonder. Last summer we played 2021 teams that were very big out of state in five games. The next day played a tournament up against Long Island 2020 kids that seemed very small compared to the out of state 2021 kids. I for one don't care. If these teams need to play older kids to compete that is fine. I wish they would just admit that kids are older. Coaches and parents would like to measure the development of the team and players. That is hard to do when a player or team gets beat by a kids that are adult like and said to be only 12. I'm sure there are good teams that are legit but when most good teams off Long Island are very big the rest of the teams will be questioned. On Long Island icon, express, legacy, outlaws and most of 91 are the correct size of 7th graders. Why are the good out of state teams so much bigger than these teams if they are all the same age?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow, classy Long Islander. Another organization can field a quality team and I am going to cry about it. Sounds like this Dad is a little worried.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/22/15 03:45 PM
Six foot five at 12 years old. Talk about embellinshing a story. I can't talk about all the other teams but the Ct. Team is all age appropriate for WSYL. As long as a team is following the rules, all is good. Maybe your frustration should be directed at the Organizers of some of these tournaments and not the kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/22/15 07:02 PM
Maybe your frustration should be directed at the Organizers of some of these tournaments and not the kids.


BINGO
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/22/15 07:17 PM
I am 6'1'' and 240 last summer my team went to Massachusetts for a tournament and there was a middie playing against us who was bigger than I was and his hand swallowed mine in the post game line up.

There are kids that big playing in these tournaments. It wasnt my original post but I will say it may sound like embellishment but Ive seen it happen
Posted By: Gg1j18 Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/22/15 08:05 PM
This can all be remedied. By using birth year and not grade for all travel sports
I dot care if parent wants to leave his kid back
I dont agree with it unless it is warranted for academics
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/22/15 10:14 PM
Sorry it is true. It was not a CT kid. Also have seen kids and goalies taller than the cage. Also two years ago at laxfest I saw Crush play up against laxachusetes and laxachusettrs had two seventh grade defenders that were at least 6 foot three. Others over six foot. You will soon see when your kids starts playing these teams more often.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Six foot five at 12 years old. Talk about embellinshing a story. I can't talk about all the other teams but the Ct. Team is all age appropriate for WSYL. As long as a team is following the rules, all is good. Maybe your frustration should be directed at the Organizers of some of these tournaments and not the kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/23/15 03:46 AM
laxachusettes and the other new England schools are probably the worst abusers of reclassing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/24/15 03:15 AM
Is icon playing this weekend ?oh wait they can't. Express is using half of their team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/24/15 03:40 AM
If that is true.why do they even have tryouts? Obviously big money grab
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/24/15 04:34 AM
Only top teams that are playing are Ambush, legacy and Express Chany. Neither Igloo team is playing. Heat is not playing and the Outlawd Have only a few kids from the Select team playing on Friday. It seems this is not a tournament for the AA teams. So Icon has no reason to attend anyway. Let the kids play. Why do you care?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is icon playing this weekend ?oh wait they can't. Express is using half of their team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/24/15 04:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is icon playing this weekend ?oh wait they can't. Express is using half of their team.


To the sad, crybaby Rockville Centre daddy who keeps beating this dead horse: enough already. Though your little Johnny may have gotten cut by either or both teams, it is seriously time for you to move on. For the last time (God willing) - there are 2 former Icon players that have been playing with Express this Fall. Both are quality players, but only one is exceptional and a potential difference maker. Please get it through your thick skull - we are talking about one player. If this player does not return with Express this Summer (by all accounts he will), it will be unfortunate BUT it will not change the dynamic of this team. Is that clear enough for you? Go troll some other thread you tool.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/24/15 06:06 AM
Is half the team 2 kids?
Those kids are moving on from icon - by spring they will be all team Channy 100%
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/24/15 11:46 AM
Top teams (Ambush) ?




quote=Anonymous]Only top teams that are playing are Ambush, legacy and Express Chany. Neither Igloo team is playing. Heat is not playing and the Outlawd Have only a few kids from the Select team playing on Friday. It seems this is not a tournament for the AA teams. So Icon has no reason to attend anyway. Let the kids play. Why do you care?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is icon playing this weekend ?oh wait they can't. Express is using half of their team.
[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/24/15 01:09 PM
[quote=Anonymous]Is half the team 2 kids?
Those kids are moving on from icon - by spring they will be all team Channy 100% [/quote

there is something seriously wrong with anyone who is writing about 12 year old boys, especially late at night and early in the morning. why don't you use their names you losers. Classless absolutely classless.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/24/15 01:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is half the team 2 kids?
Those kids are moving on from icon - by spring they will be all team Channy 100%



According to you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/24/15 02:07 PM
Lets be clear on this MC has been trying for the past two years to grab a few of the Icon kids. Icon does not do as much in the fall as far as tournaments as Express and the others. They have had a number of practices and with that staff they probably get more out of that then most kids on other teams in the fall. Only two of the Icon kids play on the fall teams for Express and the Icon coaches with class could care less how many teams how many tournaments the kids want to play on/in. The parents of those kids have made it clear that they are playing on Icon in the Spring and Summer. The others who MC have tried to get and I know it is one or two guys on their attack and another kiddie but they declined. If the players and parents of Express don't care that these two kids come in and play and take time from their kids without paying a dime it is up to them. Why MC does it, it is clear so they can post on their website that Express has won or did well at these tourney's. Are they teaching kids no absolutely not, are the kids learning no absolutely not but live goes on. They are 7th grade is does not matter.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/24/15 02:49 PM
Why would any kid leave the Icon team where they will learn more that any team they could find, just look at the staff's of each team. The team play on Icon is so much better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/25/15 02:15 PM
Ambush will be undefeated on Friday playing Express B , Titans and Outlaws combo which I hear is the silver team with a combo of some select kids. all games will be blowouts!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/25/15 02:45 PM
I agree Ambush has a cake walk schedule. If you don't play Channy kind of wasted day.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/25/15 04:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree Ambush has a cake walk schedule. If you don't play Channy kind of wasted day.


It's a day after Thanksgiving event. Most teams will be missing players.
Looks like, we got a nice day with bearable temperatures. Win, lose or draw, it means nothing.
Everyone have a Happy Thanksgiving.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/25/15 05:01 PM
Will be interesting to see if MC brings in those Icon players or any other outside players for this Thanksgiving tourney, to run up the scores against a town team and there own b teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/25/15 06:30 PM
Hope they win because it will be bad for them if they don't even if they are missing some kids.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree Ambush has a cake walk schedule. If you don't play Channy kind of wasted day.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/26/15 12:19 AM
Mc is the one making up the schedule. He needs to please the kids parents that paid alot of money just to wear an express pinnie. Those fundraising kids should get plenty of playing time friday.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/26/15 02:57 PM

Well let's see the cakewalk scores , good luck with outlaws , let's see Ambush blow them out.


quote=Anonymous]I agree Ambush has a cake walk schedule. If you don't play Channy kind of wasted day. [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/26/15 04:37 PM
It is Not the Outlaws select team. Ambush should do well. Ambush is an A team. You will see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well let's see the cakewalk scores , good luck with outlaws , let's see Ambush blow them out.


quote=Anonymous]I agree Ambush has a cake walk schedule. If you don't play Channy kind of wasted day.
[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/26/15 05:38 PM
FYI NO ONE CARES
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/26/15 05:54 PM
STOP! It's Thanksgiving. Be happy that your son is able to play lacrosse! Who cares which team is the best? The best is watching him playing a game that he loves. Win or lose.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/26/15 07:21 PM
We have been waiting to see since the beginning of time .




Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is Not the Outlaws
select team. Ambush should do well. Ambush is an A team. You will see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well let's see the cakewalk scores , good luck with outlaws , let's see Ambush blow them out.


quote=Anonymous]I agree Ambush has a cake walk schedule. If you don't play Channy kind of wasted day.
[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/28/15 12:39 PM
Yes it would be sooooooo bad if they lost. Yet they won all 3
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/28/15 02:58 PM
Yes congrats. You showed your team has no class. Blew out express who were missing players. The other two teams express played showed class and backed off By the end of the first half. Not your great team. No reason to keep playing your starters and face off guy and keep scoring Off the face off. Why would your team do that? I guess it was out of frustration for the nail biter game you had against the Outlaws Silver team winning that by only one on a last minute goal and having a closer game than expected against legacy B. Keep bragging. Just remember all three games were not blowouts as predicted. That is sooooo bad. You can keep coming on here saying how great your team team is and one day you may convince your self of that but you won't convince anyone else. Some advice --- Worry more about getting some class before becoming an A team. Having no class is soooo bad.

quote=Anonymous]Yes it would be sooooooo bad if they lost. Yet they won all 3 [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/28/15 03:37 PM
It wouldn't be bad if your team lost but you keep posting how great your team is and they played 3 B teams. It appears Ambush is a strong B team. congrats!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/28/15 05:19 PM
OH BOY SOMEONE HAS NO LIFE!!!!!! WOW CONGRATS YOU FOLLOW A LAX TEAM THAT YOUR SON IS NOT EVEN ON YET YOU SEEM TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. HMMMMMM LOOKS LIKE A DAD WHO'S SON WAS CUT AND IS NOW ON OUTLAWS SILVER
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/28/15 06:42 PM
All good. Enjoy watching the kids play this wonderful game and comparing my son's ability against other kids his age. I never brag about my sons team or my son and he is a stud.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/28/15 06:59 PM

91 parents have to learn there is nothing wrong with being a B team. Read other threads 91 parents pump up 91 teams. 2022 and 2023 and older years too. Accept what you think the team is A or B and who cares what others think. You are not changing anyone's mind here with self serving post. Those post only show you may not be happy with the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It wouldn't be bad if your team lost but you keep posting how great your team is and they played 3 B teams. It appears Ambush is a strong B team. congrats!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/28/15 10:02 PM
91 Ambush has not improved over the years. In fourth grade to sixth grade they were a B plus team. They still are. When someone has lost and can't win an argument they always pull out the old kid got cut. If you feel this post is an insult then you are not confident in your kids team and are very insecure. It is not an insult to be a B plus team given that there are only five or six A or AA teams on the island. So being from Long Island being B plus is not bad. There are about five or six B plus teams. That puts you in the top 12 on Long Island which again is good. However it is a big jump from B plus to A and even a bigger jump from A to AA. I hope you find happiness with this team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
OH BOY SOMEONE HAS NO LIFE!!!!!! WOW CONGRATS YOU FOLLOW A LAX TEAM THAT YOUR SON IS NOT EVEN ON YET YOU SEEM TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. HMMMMMM LOOKS LIKE A DAD WHO'S SON WAS CUT AND IS NOW ON OUTLAWS SILVER
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/28/15 10:32 PM

There's a few parents on Ambush who can't accept the level that this team is at. i am sure that many who read this forum and know this team will know the few people without mentioning names . The funny thing is all those teams that they played yesterday were beaten by a team that a few idiotic parents on Ambush have a grudge against. That my friend is you spew trash talk without knowing actual capabilities !! Good luck with another year acting the role of high caliber with your sweat shirts and tee shirts !
Just accept what you have and role with it already.


quote=Anonymous]
91 parents have to learn there is nothing wrong with being a B team. Read other threads 91 parents pump up 91 teams. 2022 and 2023 and older years too. Accept what you think the team is A or B and who cares what others think. You are not changing anyone's mind here with self serving post. Those post only show you may not be happy with the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It wouldn't be bad if your team lost but you keep posting how great your team is and they played 3 B teams. It appears Ambush is a strong B team. congrats!!!
[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/29/15 01:57 AM
Fyi.ambush didn't make the schedule. They just played lacrosse yesterday.maybe tell mc to put together a more competitive tournament. Then again all he cares about is the money.if your sons team won you would still be calling ambush a b team.seems like you are more concerned about another team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - 11/29/15 04:37 AM
No one talks about ambush until there is a dumb comment about ambush winning or how good ambush is. Don't make those dumb comments and no one