Boys 2019-9th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016 - US Lacrosse Community Forum

BOTC is opening our Fall 2015 through Summer 2016 thread covering the Boys 2019-9th Grade age group.

Any team in need of a goalie or have any availablility af that position?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any team in need of a goalie or have any availablility af that position?

Email the clubs, no need to hit a bunch of try outs if they are not looking to replace a player. Good luck to your son.

What level is he? A/B?

In all seriousness how many 2019s will be committed by late fall? Crazy to think at least 50 I think.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In all seriousness how many 2019s will be committed by late fall? Crazy to think at least 50 I think.

Can anyone explain exactly what the "commitment" means? I know it isn't binding on either party but is there at least a verbal understating of what grades and test scores will be required of the student and what scholarship money, if any the player will receive?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any team in need of a goalie or have any availablility af that position?

Email the clubs, no need to hit a bunch of try outs if they are not looking to replace a player. Good luck to your son.

I do think tryouts are a good way to get some good work in. Always a good way to et to know the other teams coaches. I always told my son to look at them like clinics.

With many new teams popping up, does it pay to have my son play for a club as a freshman or just figure it out during the spring, registering him to play in showcases and send him to camps? He will be playing on his HS team as a freshman playing varsity.

No snide comments needed. Thank you in advance for guidance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With many new teams popping up, does it pay to have my son play for a club as a freshman or just figure it out during the spring, registering him to play in showcases and send him to camps? He will be playing on his HS team as a freshman playing varsity.

No snide comments needed. Thank you in advance for guidance.

Depends on the HS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With many new teams popping up, does it pay to have my son play for a club as a freshman or just figure it out during the spring, registering him to play in showcases and send him to camps? He will be playing on his HS team as a freshman playing varsity.

No snide comments needed. Thank you in advance for guidance.

If he is playing varsity for a top team then I wouldn't worry but if he plays for a small school it won't carry much weight..my guess is less then 10 kids will be playing varsity as freshman and I doubt any are at big schools

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With many new teams popping up, does it pay to have my son play for a club as a freshman or just figure it out during the spring, registering him to play in showcases and send him to camps? He will be playing on his HS team as a freshman playing varsity.

No snide comments needed. Thank you in advance for guidance.

If he is playing varsity for a top team then I wouldn't worry but if he plays for a small school it won't carry much weight..my guess is less then 10 kids will be playing varsity as freshman and I doubt any are at big schools

Since there were 6 8th graders that played varsity last year I'd say there maybe upwards of 20-25 freshman playing varsity. Some may surprise you. Some may surprise you half will be on playoff teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With many new teams popping up, does it pay to have my son play for a club as a freshman or just figure it out during the spring, registering him to play in showcases and send him to camps? He will be playing on his HS team as a freshman playing varsity.

No snide comments needed. Thank you in advance for guidance.

If he is playing varsity for a top team then I wouldn't worry but if he plays for a small school it won't carry much weight..my guess is less then 10 kids will be playing varsity as freshman and I doubt any are at big schools

Augment school with travel if he is a committed driven player. Rising Soph should play with their HS team whenever possible. But will giving up travel and doing school only be enough. Ask a coach from the college your interested in. If he isn't at that stage then there is your answer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With many new teams popping up, does it pay to have my son play for a club as a freshman or just figure it out during the spring, registering him to play in showcases and send him to camps? He will be playing on his HS team as a freshman playing varsity.

No snide comments needed. Thank you in advance for guidance.

If he is playing varsity for a top team then I wouldn't worry but if he plays for a small school it won't carry much weight..my guess is less then 10 kids will be playing varsity as freshman and I doubt any are at big schools

Since there were 6 8th graders that played varsity last year I'd say there maybe upwards of 20-25 freshman playing varsity. Some may surprise you. Some may surprise you half will be on playoff teams.

I didn't know there we're that many . how did they did?..was there a need for them to play up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With many new teams popping up, does it pay to have my son play for a club as a freshman or just figure it out during the spring, registering him to play in showcases and send him to camps? He will be playing on his HS team as a freshman playing varsity.

No snide comments needed. Thank you in advance for guidance.

If he is playing varsity for a top team then I wouldn't worry but if he plays for a small school it won't carry much weight..my guess is less then 10 kids will be playing varsity as freshman and I doubt any are at big schools

Since there were 6 8th graders that played varsity last year I'd say there maybe upwards of 20-25 freshman playing varsity. Some may surprise you. Some may surprise you half will be on playoff teams.

I didn't know there we're that many . how did they did?..was there a need for them to play up?

yes for most. Good thing was they all made the most of their time. That is all you can ask.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With many new teams popping up, does it pay to have my son play for a club as a freshman or just figure it out during the spring, registering him to play in showcases and send him to camps? He will be playing on his HS team as a freshman playing varsity.

No snide comments needed. Thank you in advance for guidance.

If he is playing varsity for a top team then I wouldn't worry but if he plays for a small school it won't carry much weight..my guess is less then 10 kids will be playing varsity as freshman and I doubt any are at big schools

Since there were 6 8th graders that played varsity last year I'd say there maybe upwards of 20-25 freshman playing varsity. Some may surprise you. Some may surprise you half will be on playoff teams.

I didn't know there we're that many . how did they did?..was there a need for them to play up?

yes for most. Good thing was they all made the most of their time. That is all you can ask.

So my guess is that they didn't start for their Varsity teams which is what I thought..just not sure if it's safe to play Varsity in 8th grade without the risk of getting hurt

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With many new teams popping up, does it pay to have my son play for a club as a freshman or just figure it out during the spring, registering him to play in showcases and send him to camps? He will be playing on his HS team as a freshman playing varsity.

No snide comments needed. Thank you in advance for guidance.

If he is playing varsity for a top team then I wouldn't worry but if he plays for a small school it won't carry much weight..my guess is less then 10 kids will be playing varsity as freshman and I doubt any are at big schools

Since there were 6 8th graders that played varsity last year I'd say there maybe upwards of 20-25 freshman playing varsity. Some may surprise you. Some may surprise you half will be on playoff teams.

I didn't know there we're that many . how did they did?..was there a need for them to play up?

yes for most. Good thing was they all made the most of their time. That is all you can ask.

So my guess is that they didn't start for their Varsity teams which is what I thought..just not sure if it's safe to play Varsity in 8th grade without the risk of getting hurt

In hind sight playing varsity was a smart move but was the best move for our son. I think there are a variety of things that you need to know before allow you son to play.

1). Do not over look the Physical nature of the game. The refs single out the player in the pregame line up at mid field. Letting the other teams know or some of the teams figure out there are younger kids. Some DB kids will go after them. That needs to be changed.

2). It is a time commitment I am sure those kids played travel and it takes its toll and is draining. 9th grade grades mean a ton.

3). for pete's sake it is draining and all but don't stop working out and running. This separates the committed.

4). Starting isn't a be all end all. Time in and quality time in does. Coming out of the box, playing LSM, getting on man up. Heck even non Quality time (especially for goalies).

for the 2019 age group is the LI Sting a travel team? or a showcase team?

who are the coaches and do they practice regularly?

sting has a boys team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

sting has a boys team?

LI Sting has been around longer than any other LI travel team. They have a huge list of recruits. They tend to focus on Ivy, NESCAC and higher academic D1 and D3 schools. For the player that is already very good, their focus is on College recruiting and they play in many of the Best tournaments. Visit their website, all information available. If your son can play and has a burning desire to get recruited, it might be worth a look see.

why haven't we seen these guys at any tournaments

LI Outlaws Update
Due to extremely large Sign ups we have added a 2016 try Out next Tuesday(Aug 18th) at 530 at Stimson Middle School- we will be fielding 3 Teams at this age group.
Thanks, PB 631-553-0771 with any questions

Originally Posted by Uncle Johns band

LI Outlaws Update
Due to extremely large Sign ups we have added a 2016 try Out next Tuesday(Aug 18th) at 530 at Stimson Middle School- we will be fielding 3 Teams at this age group.
Thanks, PB 631-553-0771 with any questions

Please post this in the tryouts thread as well.

Thanks

Who says they are all going to play for Outlaws...many boys tryout for some clubs like a cheap clinic...Please 3 teams going into Sr year...HA!

This is the 2019 thread not 2016..

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Uncle Johns band

LI Outlaws Update
Due to extremely large Sign ups we have added a 2016 try Out next Tuesday(Aug 18th) at 530 at Stimson Middle School- we will be fielding 3 Teams at this age group.
Thanks, PB 631-553-0771 with any questions

Please post this in the tryouts thread as well.

Thanks

He means spring / summer of 2016. Are you that stupid ?

Sorry for confusion , 2019 Team has added a try out this Tuesday(Aug 18th) at Stimson Middle school(530).
THANKS PB

Originally Posted by Anonymous

for the 2019 age group is the LI Sting a travel team? or a showcase team?

who are the coaches and do they practice regularly?

How many show case teams are there for 2019

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why haven't we seen these guys at any tournaments

Call the director, you'll get all the info you need. Not a program that focuses on winning tee shirts. They focus on college recruiting.

well there should be spots open, last year they lost several of their best players and I am assuming the feedback will definitely start to circulate. don't just go by what the program tells you, go by the feedback and history of the teams and program

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well there should be spots open, last year they lost several of their best players and I am assuming the feedback will definitely start to circulate. don't just go by what the program tells you, go by the feedback and history of the teams and program

Where does one get the feedback?

unfortunately the feedback comes from coaches who are honest and parents of past and current players.

It is easy, all you have to do is ask and most people just speak their mind and don't worry if the feedback is positive or negative

What is the best route for a good player who eventually wants to pay college but maybe not acc lax.

4 2018 holdbacks were at Express str yours last nigt in this age group. Harder and harder for on age kids to find a spot

It's starting here on Long Island now? Pathetic!!

I was at the tryout and if there were holdbacks there they didn't stand out. That's for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was at the tryout and if there were holdbacks there they didn't stand out. That's for sure.

Gotta lI've that! Ahh, the irony. You think you are helping your kid, but in fact you put more pressure on him and everyone is snickering about your cheating behind your back!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 2018 holdbacks were at Express str yours last nigt in this age group. Harder and harder for on age kids to find a spot

4 holdback shouldn't make it hard. If there were 4 spots and 8 players vying for those spots then perhaps, but with 120 players trying out 4 holdbacks is less then 4%, really not a game changer

Really ? 120 kids

Who is coaching the Outlaws 2019 AA team?

What tournys will they be attending this fall?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 2018 holdbacks were at Express str yours last nigt in this age group. Harder and harder for on age kids to find a spot

4 holdback shouldn't make it hard. If there were 4 spots and 8 players vying for those spots then perhaps, but with 120 players trying out 4 holdbacks is less then 4%, really not a game changer

Let's be honest unless the express change some of the kids playing they will not get better as a team and that's ok . Just know that going in that favors take place just like any other sport. I see it in school football already this year. You have to deal with but hopefully the directors and coached see it and pick the right kids

Stop with the outlaws AA. They haven't even stepped on the field yet. Looked what happened to Legacy after they called themselves a AA team. We know some of the Smithtown kids but so did Legacy and it didn't work out well for them.

I know for a fact that the outlaws had several of their best players leave the team half way thru the summer. Granted they had a strong team with everyone there, but there was a problem that made the boys leave.

After losing those boys, they were not competitive at all. they will need to upgrade a lot of positions and still add a few strong players to get to where they were at before

Not One player left in middle of summer last season. Lots of talent at try out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not One player left in middle of summer last season. Lots of talent at try out.

guess that's why they lost to a weak True Blue team then.

I didn't say you didn't have talent at the tryouts. I said you lost a few players and that information came directly from a coach of THAT team that I personally know.

That weak TB team is going to be weaker quite a few of their better players are leaving. At least 6 players at the Express tryouts.

All the Catholic School kids..Enjoy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know for a fact that the outlaws had several of their best players leave the team half way thru the summer. Granted they had a strong team with everyone there, but there was a problem that made the boys leave.

After losing those boys, they were not competitive at all. they will need to upgrade a lot of positions and still add a few strong players to get to where they were at before

What was the " problem " ?

2 left before season - stop the lies-

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the Catholic School kids..Enjoy

Not sure where you got your info but quite a bit More than just the catholic school kids looking. Not to mention that a few of those catholic school kids were some of the better players on the team. Not sure what you were trying to get at with your response.

is it me but this is a new tryout season. we can say all we want who was beaten by whom last year but I believe there will be a few changes that will make last year's experience a distance memory.

Originally Posted by Colin Harrington

My kid was at the laxachusetts open tryout and one of the club directors told the kids that they have 15 commits on their 2019 class already. This seems ridiculous to me. He also mentioned that their top team in one of the top three teams in the country. Please let me know if any of this is true. Thank you

Come on the best team in 2018 91 Extreme only has 11-12 commits.

Most of those kids are hold backs so it is possible.

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Colin Harrington

My kid was at the laxachusetts open tryout and one of the club directors told the kids that they have 15 commits on their 2019 class already. This seems ridiculous to me. He also mentioned that their top team in one of the top three teams in the country. Please let me know if any of this is true. Thank you

Come on the best team in 2018 91 Extreme only has 11-12 commits.

Originally Posted by America's Game

[quote=Colin Harrington]My kid was at the laxachusetts open tryout and one of the club directors told the kids that they have 15 commits on their 2019 class already. This seems ridiculous to me. He also mentioned that their top team in one of the top three teams in the country. Please let me know if any of this is true. Thank you

That's ridiculous. Crabs 2019 only has 1 commit on the team.

It could be because most of those kids should be graduating in 2018 and 2017.

nice turnout at bluefish tryouts today, I estimate 100-110 2019's ...as Teirney said " every helmet on the island" , lots of express and igloo, some true blue and 91... nice tryout, my son said he got some good instruction, we'll see...need a few details as to who will be coaching what...what tourneys they plan for...mostly about showcases at this point anyway, but instruction appears it will be strong...

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Colin Harrington

My kid was at the laxachusetts open tryout and one of the club directors told the kids that they have 15 commits on their 2019 class already. This seems ridiculous to me. He also mentioned that their top team in one of the top three teams in the country. Please let me know if any of this is true. Thank you

Come on the best team in 2018 91 Extreme only has 11-12 commits.

None of that is true - they will have early commits, yes but not anywhere close to that number, nor the number of early commits the true top programs will have.

They are good - great FO kid, who I heard is moving to the island - but nowhere near top 3. Seen them get smoked by 91 and Madlax and lost more than they won vs top 2019 teams.
Number of holdbacks will rival Maryland teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Colin Harrington

My kid was at the laxachusetts open tryout and one of the club directors told the kids that they have 15 commits on their 2019 class already. This seems ridiculous to me. He also mentioned that their top team in one of the top three teams in the country. Please let me know if any of this is true. Thank you

Come on the best team in 2018 91 Extreme only has 11-12 commits.

None of that is true - they will have early commits, yes but not anywhere close to that number, nor the number of early commits the true top programs will have.

They are good - great FO kid, who I heard is moving to the island - but nowhere near top 3. Seen them get smoked by 91 and Madlax and lost more than they won vs top 2019 teams.
Number of holdbacks will rival Maryland teams.

Lots of hype for this team, but did they make any of the tournament finals this summer? I think they lost 3 games at Big4 HHH tournament. Lost at Platinum Cup as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Colin Harrington

My kid was at the laxachusetts open tryout and one of the club directors told the kids that they have 15 commits on their 2019 class already. This seems ridiculous to me. He also mentioned that their top team in one of the top three teams in the country. Please let me know if any of this is true. Thank you

Come on the best team in 2018 91 Extreme only has 11-12 commits.

None of that is true - they will have early commits, yes but not anywhere close to that number, nor the number of early commits the true top programs will have.

They are good - great FO kid, who I heard is moving to the island - but nowhere near top 3. Seen them get smoked by 91 and Madlax and lost more than they won vs top 2019 teams.
Number of holdbacks will rival Maryland teams.

Lots of hype for this team, but did they make any of the tournament finals this summer? I think they lost 3 games at Big4 HHH tournament. Lost at Platinum Cup as well.

Why such posturing against Laxachusetts? Okay someone said they had a few commits. Someone questioned it. Not sure if that someone knows 2019 well. It is a good team I am quite sure they have boys in talks with schools as many of the other top 10 in the country have.

Who cares if, where, they won; were they competitive at the tournaments with the toughest competition. That is what matters from now on. It is not a race to get committed people although it may feel like a game at times.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Colin Harrington

My kid was at the laxachusetts open tryout and one of the club directors told the kids that they have 15 commits on their 2019 class already. This seems ridiculous to me. He also mentioned that their top team in one of the top three teams in the country. Please let me know if any of this is true. Thank you

Come on the best team in 2018 91 Extreme only has 11-12 commits.

None of that is true - they will have early commits, yes but not anywhere close to that number, nor the number of early commits the true top programs will have.

They are good - great FO kid, who I heard is moving to the island - but nowhere near top 3. Seen them get smoked by 91 and Madlax and lost more than they won vs top 2019 teams.
Number of holdbacks will rival Maryland teams.

Lots of hype for this team, but did they make any of the tournament finals this summer? I think they lost 3 games at Big4 HHH tournament. Lost at Platinum Cup as well.

Why such posturing against Laxachusetts? Okay someone said they had a few commits. Someone questioned it. Not sure if that someone knows 2019 well. It is a good team I am quite sure they have boys in talks with schools as many of the other top 10 in the country have.

Who cares if, where, they won; were they competitive at the tournaments with the toughest competition. That is what matters from now on. It is not a race to get committed people although it may feel like a game at times.

Don't get where your coming from. It was said and I quote a "club directors told the kids that they have 15 commits on their 2019". I pointed out that as of today the team that has historically been the top team in the 2018 age group only has 12 commits. This is a team that already played its 9th grade to 10th grade summer season and many coming after they played a full season of High School ball.

Serious question, and not from a jealous parent, just a spectator on this board. I have a 2020 kid. At what point are these coaches going to be shown the door for these extremes of public commits of kids who have not started high school? The initial big three for ER were Hopkins, UVA and UNC in no particular order to me. All of those are pretty strident academic schools that are hard for common applicants to get in. At what point do admissions administrators say bugger off to the coaches out of not much more than principal (or worse spite)? I'd also be concerned that an Ivy program doing this before any grades are in the transcript for 9th graders. Seems like a wild projection, and admissions at those schools may feel they need to curb it by sending a message. Getting a lacrosse offer is great, but getting screwed by admissions would be a debacle for all ears down the road.

Who cares what others do. You can only control what you can. Put your son in the best position possible if Lax is what he wants. Then make sure the academics is taken care of so admissions isn't an issue (while at the same time being realistic about their future).

I hope you got to say that. How long till you post your own response to your own comment? Sounds like something 91 would do.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope you got to say that. How long till you post your own response to your own comment? Sounds like something 91 would do.....

huh?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question, and not from a jealous parent, just a spectator on this board. I have a 2020 kid. At what point are these coaches going to be shown the door for these extremes of public commits of kids who have not started high school? The initial big three for ER were Hopkins, UVA and UNC in no particular order to me. All of those are pretty strident academic schools that are hard for common applicants to get in. At what point do admissions administrators say bugger off to the coaches out of not much more than principal (or worse spite)? I'd also be concerned that an Ivy program doing this before any grades are in the transcript for 9th graders. Seems like a wild projection, and admissions at those schools may feel they need to curb it by sending a message. Getting a lacrosse offer is great, but getting screwed by admissions would be a debacle for all ears down the road.

You do understand that all an early commit is a handshake. If the student doesn't maintain their half of the bargain no admission to said school. The other thing is many schools look at a students history in school, parents, upbringing and they can somehow determine a kids academic future based on these factors. Historically they are pretty good at it. Ivys use academic index to determine a players future grades. I think with the younger commits you will see more decomitts and or revocation of offers. This is actually occurring often this year's with many 2016 graduating class early commits changing which school they will attend.

Can anyone explain how can all of these current college coaches can be involved with these programs if they aren't supposed to be speaking with players younger than Junior year? Is it because the players are initiating contact by joining the team? Seems that there's an ethical issue to me. Hopefully can clear things up so I understand.

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question, and not from a jealous parent, just a spectator on this board. I have a 2020 kid. At what point are these coaches going to be shown the door for these extremes of public commits of kids who have not started high school? The initial big three for ER were Hopkins, UVA and UNC in no particular order to me. All of those are pretty strident academic schools that are hard for common applicants to get in. At what point do admissions administrators say bugger off to the coaches out of not much more than principal (or worse spite)? I'd also be concerned that an Ivy program doing this before any grades are in the transcript for 9th graders. Seems like a wild projection, and admissions at those schools may feel they need to curb it by sending a message. Getting a lacrosse offer is great, but getting screwed by admissions would be a debacle for all ears down the road.

You do understand that all an early commit is a handshake. If the student doesn't maintain their half of the bargain no admission to said school. The other thing is many schools look at a students history in school, parents, upbringing and they can somehow determine a kids academic future based on these factors. Historically they are pretty good at it. Ivys use academic index to determine a players future grades. I think with the younger commits you will see more decomitts and or revocation of offers. This is actually occurring often this year's with many 2016 graduating class early commits changing which school they will attend.

Yes, that is true I know two kids that had to change from Duke and Yale because of grades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain how can all of these current college coaches can be involved with these programs if they aren't supposed to be speaking with players younger than Junior year? Is it because the players are initiating contact by joining the team? Seems that there's an ethical issue to me. Hopefully can clear things up so I understand.

College coaches can reach out to club coached/directors and ask the player/family to contact them. There is no limit on how many times a player can contact a coach, it just can't be the other way around.

If you think lacrosse club owners and college lacrosse coaches have the brains to extrapolate and impute how a kid's academic credentials are going to go before he starts high school, you're drinking some Kool Aid they mixed, spiked and served to you. The prior poster is correct. These are informal and certainly not binding future commitments. The admissions offices won't have a cry over passing on a recruited athlete who they decline. This used to happen very infrequently when kids were recruited as juniors or seniors only 5 years ago. Now we are seeing it happen a lot. Princeton lost 3 commits, Penn 2 and Yale at least 1 this year to admissions declinations. And there may be more than are widely repeated when kids quietly "de commit" and commit elsewhere...in reality that beards what is really happening, which is admissions says no go. Still go for it to get a coach to support your son or to get a scholarship indication, but at the selective schools it gets complicated when the kid does not have the grades and scores later.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think lacrosse club owners and college lacrosse coaches have the brains to extrapolate and impute how a kid's academic credentials are going to go before he starts high school, you're drinking some Kool Aid they mixed, spiked and served to you. The prior poster is correct. These are informal and certainly not binding future commitments. The admissions offices won't have a cry over passing on a recruited athlete who they decline. This used to happen very infrequently when kids were recruited as juniors or seniors only 5 years ago. Now we are seeing it happen a lot. Princeton lost 3 commits, Penn 2 and Yale at least 1 this year to admissions declinations. And there may be more than are widely repeated when kids quietly "de commit" and commit elsewhere...in reality that beards what is really happening, which is admissions says no go. Still go for it to get a coach to support your son or to get a scholarship indication, but at the selective schools it gets complicated when the kid does not have the grades and scores later.

Couldn't agree more! Those that can and do maintain top grades will have the most choices if they are good lax players. Academics should always be the priority and will bring you the most money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think lacrosse club owners and college lacrosse coaches have the brains to extrapolate and impute how a kid's academic credentials are going to go before he starts high school, you're drinking some Kool Aid they mixed, spiked and served to you. The prior poster is correct. These are informal and certainly not binding future commitments. The admissions offices won't have a cry over passing on a recruited athlete who they decline. This used to happen very infrequently when kids were recruited as juniors or seniors only 5 years ago. Now we are seeing it happen a lot. Princeton lost 3 commits, Penn 2 and Yale at least 1 this year to admissions declinations. And there may be more than are widely repeated when kids quietly "de commit" and commit elsewhere...in reality that beards what is really happening, which is admissions says no go. Still go for it to get a coach to support your son or to get a scholarship indication, but at the selective schools it gets complicated when the kid does not have the grades and scores later.

I think you need to become more aware of the recruiting process. Especially the real early ones. How in the world do you think these coaches offer scholarship money to 9th and 10th graders especially the top schools. They look at previous transcripts, speak to guidance counselors, have underclassmen take PSATS and a whole other slew of indicators to determine a students future potential. It's fact and going on as I write this.The issue is that these kids are so young there is a greater margin for error. At least in 11th grade you have 2 years under your belt of high school. We are seeing the decomitts foe all different reasons. It is happening very frequently this year especially.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain how can all of these current college coaches can be involved with these programs if they aren't supposed to be speaking with players younger than Junior year? Is it because the players are initiating contact by joining the team? Seems that there's an ethical issue to me. Hopefully can clear things up so I understand.

College coaches can reach out to club coached/directors and ask the player/family to contact them. There is no limit on how many times a player can contact a coach, it just can't be the other way around.

I get that but does that mean the club coach can't speak with a player on their team?

Here is how it works. A college coach sees you play and likes what he sees. He contacts your travel or high school coach and tells them for you to call them at a paticular time. You call they answers no violation.

What he's asking is what if your travel coach is the college coach.

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question, and not from a jealous parent, just a spectator on this board. I have a 2020 kid. At what point are these coaches going to be shown the door for these extremes of public commits of kids who have not started high school? The initial big three for ER were Hopkins, UVA and UNC in no particular order to me. All of those are pretty strident academic schools that are hard for common applicants to get in. At what point do admissions administrators say bugger off to the coaches out of not much more than principal (or worse spite)? I'd also be concerned that an Ivy program doing this before any grades are in the transcript for 9th graders. Seems like a wild projection, and admissions at those schools may feel they need to curb it by sending a message. Getting a lacrosse offer is great, but getting screwed by admissions would be a debacle for all ears down the road.

You do understand that all an early commit is a handshake. If the student doesn't maintain their half of the bargain no admission to said school. The other thing is many schools look at a students history in school, parents, upbringing and they can somehow determine a kids academic future based on these factors. Historically they are pretty good at it. Ivys use academic index to determine a players future grades. I think with the younger commits you will see more decomitts and or revocation of offers. This is actually occurring often this year's with many 2016 graduating class early commits changing which school they will attend.

This is a well written and accurate response - the other side of this early recruiting to watch is roster size - some of the teams that fill early, are running very bloated roster sizes. Makes sense as the "miss factor" with 14 year old freshmen will be much higher either for lax or grades. Same scholarship numbers anyway. Kids being told how special they are waking up one day to realize their coach took 7 midfielder in their class!

The number decommits in the 2016 class is not very large at all. There Approximately 575 2016 D1 commits so far. There have been only about 25 or 26 decommits so far in that year. So the overall percentage of decommitting in the 2016 class so far it's only 4-5% at this time.

Correct it is just a handshake with the coach and if the coach leaves so do does the offer.

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question, and not from a jealous parent, just a spectator on this board. I have a 2020 kid. At what point are these coaches going to be shown the door for these extremes of public commits of kids who have not started high school? The initial big three for ER were Hopkins, UVA and UNC in no particular order to me. All of those are pretty strident academic schools that are hard for common applicants to get in. At what point do admissions administrators say bugger off to the coaches out of not much more than principal (or worse spite)? I'd also be concerned that an Ivy program doing this before any grades are in the transcript for 9th graders. Seems like a wild projection, and admissions at those schools may feel they need to curb it by sending a message. Getting a lacrosse offer is great, but getting screwed by admissions would be a debacle for all ears down the road.

You do understand that all an early commit is a handshake. If the student doesn't maintain their half of the bargain no admission to said school. The other thing is many schools look at a students history in school, parents, upbringing and they can somehow determine a kids academic future based on these factors. Historically they are pretty good at it. Ivys use academic index to determine a players future grades. I think with the younger commits you will see more decomitts and or revocation of offers. This is actually occurring often this year's with many 2016 graduating class early commits changing which school they will attend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Correct it is just a handshake with the coach and if the coach leaves so do does the offer.

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question, and not from a jealous parent, just a spectator on this board. I have a 2020 kid. At what point are these coaches going to be shown the door for these extremes of public commits of kids who have not started high school? The initial big three for ER were Hopkins, UVA and UNC in no particular order to me. All of those are pretty strident academic schools that are hard for common applicants to get in. At what point do admissions administrators say bugger off to the coaches out of not much more than principal (or worse spite)? I'd also be concerned that an Ivy program doing this before any grades are in the transcript for 9th graders. Seems like a wild projection, and admissions at those schools may feel they need to curb it by sending a message. Getting a lacrosse offer is great, but getting screwed by admissions would be a debacle for all ears down the road.

You do understand that all an early commit is a handshake. If the student doesn't maintain their half of the bargain no admission to said school. The other thing is many schools look at a students history in school, parents, upbringing and they can somehow determine a kids academic future based on these factors. Historically they are pretty good at it. Ivys use academic index to determine a players future grades. I think with the younger commits you will see more decomitts and or revocation of offers. This is actually occurring often this year's with many 2016 graduating class early commits changing which school they will attend.

The number decommits in the 2016 class is not very large at all. There Approximately 575 2016 D1 commits so far. There have been only about 25 or 26 decommits so far in that year. So the overall percentage of decommitting in the 2016 class so far it's only 4-5% at this time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Correct it is just a handshake with the coach and if the coach leaves so do does the offer.

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question, and not from a jealous parent, just a spectator on this board. I have a 2020 kid. At what point are these coaches going to be shown the door for these extremes of public commits of kids who have not started high school? The initial big three for ER were Hopkins, UVA and UNC in no particular order to me. All of those are pretty strident academic schools that are hard for common applicants to get in. At what point do admissions administrators say bugger off to the coaches out of not much more than principal (or worse spite)? I'd also be concerned that an Ivy program doing this before any grades are in the transcript for 9th graders. Seems like a wild projection, and admissions at those schools may feel they need to curb it by sending a message. Getting a lacrosse offer is great, but getting screwed by admissions would be a debacle for all ears down the road.

You do understand that all an early commit is a handshake. If the student doesn't maintain their half of the bargain no admission to said school. The other thing is many schools look at a students history in school, parents, upbringing and they can somehow determine a kids academic future based on these factors. Historically they are pretty good at it. Ivys use academic index to determine a players future grades. I think with the younger commits you will see more decomitts and or revocation of offers. This is actually occurring often this year's with many 2016 graduating class early commits changing which school they will attend.

The number decommits in the 2016 class is not very large at all. There Approximately 575 2016 D1 commits so far. There have been only about 25 or 26 decommits so far in that year. So the overall percentage of decommitting in the 2016 class so far it's only 4-5% at this time.

Ok- I'll give you that 4-5% is not that large, but these kids still have not applied! They still have a shot at the SAT and ACT. I think you will see many more kids scrambling in the Spring. It's sad to me, as some kids just don't have the ability to be high honor students or make a 1200 on their SATs. Parents have to be realistic too. A 90 student in middle school is not necessarily a 90 student in HS. There's a big difference between. 7th gr math and Trig. There's a lot more pressure to socialize, play various sports, regents, SATs etc. if your kid is a great athlete but an average student, it might not be a great idea to commit early to a school that is not in his academic league. Even if they get in , they have to stay in. Remember, not all schools cater to athletes and D1 and many top D3 are full time jobs on top of the academics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Correct it is just a handshake with the coach and if the coach leaves so do does the offer.

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question, and not from a jealous parent, just a spectator on this board. I have a 2020 kid. At what point are these coaches going to be shown the door for these extremes of public commits of kids who have not started high school? The initial big three for ER were Hopkins, UVA and UNC in no particular order to me. All of those are pretty strident academic schools that are hard for common applicants to get in. At what point do admissions administrators say bugger off to the coaches out of not much more than principal (or worse spite)? I'd also be concerned that an Ivy program doing this before any grades are in the transcript for 9th graders. Seems like a wild projection, and admissions at those schools may feel they need to curb it by sending a message. Getting a lacrosse offer is great, but getting screwed by admissions would be a debacle for all ears down the road.

You do understand that all an early commit is a handshake. If the student doesn't maintain their half of the bargain no admission to said school. The other thing is many schools look at a students history in school, parents, upbringing and they can somehow determine a kids academic future based on these factors. Historically they are pretty good at it. Ivys use academic index to determine a players future grades. I think with the younger commits you will see more decomitts and or revocation of offers. This is actually occurring often this year's with many 2016 graduating class early commits changing which school they will attend.

The number decommits in the 2016 class is not very large at all. There Approximately 575 2016 D1 commits so far. There have been only about 25 or 26 decommits so far in that year. So the overall percentage of decommitting in the 2016 class so far it's only 4-5% at this time.

While that is small, it's the rate of increase from just a couple of years ago that's eye opening. It is most likely 300%. My projection is that number rises to better than 50 kids in the next two years, and possibly higher. The poaching is going to start to really take off.

Who will the True Blue 2019 coaches be this year?
Team had injuries and players left last year.
More Turnover expected for the team?

Notable players at Express and Bluefish tryouts.

from what I saw there were notable players from several organizations...

[quote=Anonymous]Who will the True Blue 2019 coaches be this year?
Team had injuries and players left last year.
More Turnover expected for the team?

Notable players at Express and Bluefish tryouts.

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From what I have heard A bunch of the kids from last year have accepted spots on other teams. Take that for what it is worth, as I am passing along what I heard from parents at other tryouts so second hand info. I will tell you that there were quite a few TB helmets at the bluefish tryouts last weekend.

Their tryouts are this weekend if you have an interest go to the tryout and see what the talent level is like. I believe the TB head coach is the same as last year but they have not made any coaching announcements at this point. I know some people with kids in the organization and they have nothing but good things to say. Affordable club with a couple age groups with very competitive teams. All depends on what your looking for for your son. At this age it is all about getting into the right tournaments. They did not play in very competitive tournaments last year. I would ask what their plans are for that. Very inconsistent team at this age last year for what I was told

I have friends who's sons were on the 2019 TB team and was told they really liked the Orginization, CR is a stand-up guy very accesable and will absolutly return your calls,e-mails, text.

Yes cr is a nice person. But he knew this was a great group of kids and didn't worry one bit about whether things were going well. Started out with two hired lacrosse coaches ended up with two dads. Yes these dads played lax in their past but this team deserved attention from the club the last two years as their former hired coach left the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes cr is a nice person. But he knew this was a great group of kids and didn't worry one bit about whether things were going well. Started out with two hired lacrosse coaches ended up with two dads. Yes these dads played lax in their past but this team deserved attention from the club the last two years as their former hired coach left the team.

and this is one of the big reasons that a good portion of the team accepted invites to other clubs and not coming back. really is a shame

There will be some changes at the 2019 team from what I have been told. I was there last year. My son did improve and had a good experience. I called and was told there would be changes possibly. We know JC is moving off the 2017 team as they are all set. He is doing 2019 team with BV and the 2023 team is what Im being told. I hope that helps some of those parents that felt it was not good..Fact of the matter is, every team, in every place, there are parents that are not happy. If you feel its not a good fit, move on..there are 25 more teams to try out for. One thing they did do well for me was get me into the right camp for my son...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There will be some changes at the 2019 team from what I have been told. I was there last year. My son did improve and had a good experience. I called and was told there would be changes possibly. We know JC is moving off the 2017 team as they are all set. He is doing 2019 team with BV and the 2023 team is what Im being told. I hope that helps some of those parents that felt it was not good..Fact of the matter is, every team, in every place, there are parents that are not happy. If you feel its not a good fit, move on..there are 25 more teams to try out for. One thing they did do well for me was get me into the right camp for my son...

What about BC will he still go with the 2019 group?

Also, it seem s like CR only tries to put out fires - not prevent them.

How is the LI Express 2019 looking this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is the LI Express 2019 looking this year?

Express 2019 Teams should be good. Picked up some real players.
Bluefish had good talent show up. They could put together a real team.
Legacy should be ok. They will loose some players.
Igloo could be a question this year.
True blue team shake up.
Outlaws will be ok. They have some decent coaches and good players.
Revolution will pick up a few and loose a few good players.
All greys who knows.
Sharks will have a team in 2019 for the first time.
LIT who knows
Sting?

LIT has closed its doors. All Greys will return most of their starters and will be a very good team again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LIT has closed its doors. All Greys will return most of their starters and will be a very good team again.

Sorry, what team is LIT?

How do you know Team Revolution will lose a few of their real good players?

What exactly is the rules for college coaches being a part of a travel program.
I know they aren't allowed to speak to the boys unless the boys approach them. is this a way for the college coaches to circumvent the recruiting process or is it a violation for them to speak directly with their players.

I have to think it is a conflict of interest, but I don't see it being a positive thing otherwise other programs would have been adding college coaches in stead of all the high school coaches who are coaching or sitting on the boards of teams.

Also how are the bluefish going to get into recruiting tournaments when they don't have a track record. just because the program has well known names doesn't mean the showcases will just put a brand new team in the top showcases. there are a lot of programs that have deserved spots in the showcases and it would not speak well of the showcase directors to take on BRAND new teams that haven't played one game together.

anyone with info on college coaches and their limitations with travel programs will be much appreciated

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What exactly is the rules for college coaches being a part of a travel program.
I know they aren't allowed to speak to the boys unless the boys approach them. is this a way for the college coaches to circumvent the recruiting process or is it a violation for them to speak directly with their players.

I have to think it is a conflict of interest, but I don't see it being a positive thing otherwise other programs would have been adding college coaches in stead of all the high school coaches who are coaching or sitting on the boards of teams.

Also how are the bluefish going to get into recruiting tournaments when they don't have a track record. just because the program has well known names doesn't mean the showcases will just put a brand new team in the top showcases. there are a lot of programs that have deserved spots in the showcases and it would not speak well of the showcase directors to take on BRAND new teams that haven't played one game together.

anyone with info on college coaches and their limitations with travel programs will be much appreciated

Although I don't know NCAA rules you make a good point I don't see many college coaches working for the majority of the big programs. My concern is Who is going to coach our kids. I am sure that the big names won't have the time if they are going to do the right thing by their college programs and I am sure the institutions they work at will expect nothing less.

We had a big name college coach who was supposed to coach a team and he pulled out and wasn't able to commit due to his busy schedule of running a college program.

I think it is all smoke and mirrors. if they use a big name, then everyone thinks they will be a key part of the program but truth is that they don't have the time to get very hands on with the program. Our guy didn't show up to one tournament due to coaching and recruiting responsibilities.

I believe that is why they take on the title of director and they have others in the program really running things.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LIT has closed its doors. All Greys will return most of their starters and will be a very good team again.

Sorry, what team is LIT?

They probably meant TLI (Team Long Island) which by the way, I heard isn't true. The team is pretty much intact

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LIT has closed its doors. All Greys will return most of their starters and will be a very good team again.

Sorry, what team is LIT?

They probably meant TLI (Team Long Island) which by the way, I heard isn't true. The team is pretty much intact

TLI is just fine.. Don't listen to the anonymous trolls.

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LIT has closed its doors. All Greys will return most of their starters and will be a very good team again.

Sorry, what team is LIT?

They probably meant TLI (Team Long Island) which by the way, I heard isn't true. The team is pretty much intact

TLI is just fine.. Don't listen to the anonymous trolls.

LIT I believe is the LIT blue sharks a team that started a few years ago with a team for 2019. I believe the poster is correct in that they are not fielding teams this year. I heard they folded into the outlaws..

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LIT has closed its doors. All Greys will return most of their starters and will be a very good team again.

Sorry, what team is LIT?

They probably meant TLI (Team Long Island) which by the way, I heard isn't true. The team is pretty much intact

TLI is just fine.. Don't listen to the anonymous trolls.

I believe LIT was out of Northport.

As for the Bluefish; My question is how actively will they be marketing players to Universities other than Hofstra?? "Hey Umass, we've got a GREAT attaackman for you..."

Yeah the conflict of interest there I question.

Think maybe why they started this. Not winning in Hempstead. Staff proably feeling some heat..Camps and Tournament attendance has dropped. They need income folks..so don't worry about those recos just yet. We don't know how long they will be around .

I know they lost three kids off the top of my head. People have seen a bunch of them at other tryouts. Could be a big turnover for the organization. Doesn't look good. It may get contagious. More may leave.

I saw about five kids from revo or at least my son did. Not sure why they left. My boy said they are good impact player's. I've seen a couple of them play throughout the years. Know a few by face.

Why is Hofstra associated with bluefish mentioned in post above?

LIT Blue Sharks did fold. The 2019 coaches (1 a former Hofstra player) joined with Seth Tierney and the Bluefish. The team owner joined with the Outlaws and is hoping to bring players over. Lots of former Blue Sharks at the Fish tryout so time will tell where the boys all end up. Good turn out at the Bluefish tryout last Sat. Over 80 2019's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LIT Blue Sharks did fold. The 2019 coaches (1 a former Hofstra player) joined with Seth Tierney and the Bluefish. The team owner joined with the Outlaws and is hoping to bring players over. Lots of former Blue Sharks at the Fish tryout so time will tell where the boys all end up. Good turn out at the Bluefish tryout last Sat. Over 80 2019's.

People think the Tierney is going to be coaching their son and playing on that team will give them a better chance of making Hofstra. not the case at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We had a big name college coach who was supposed to coach a team and he pulled out and wasn't able to commit due to his busy schedule of running a college program.

I think it is all smoke and mirrors. if they use a big name, then everyone thinks they will be a key part of the program but truth is that they don't have the time to get very hands on with the program. Our guy didn't show up to one tournament due to coaching and recruiting responsibilities.

I believe that is why they take on the title of director and they have others in the program really running things.

Guess if a program is willing to offer enough money even reputable coaches will take it. Guess that's why when all is said and done that program will end up costing WELL IN EXCESS of $2,000....and that's before all the travel and other expenses. Since they don't know which showcases they are doing yet will there be any a la carte tournament fees like some of the other programs have? $1,750 for 4 or 5 tournaments, (probably including a few Blue and Gold events)and 10-12 practices doesn't sound like a bargain, and you have to pay extra for fall and winter......really?

Anyone know the deal with team revolution

A rose smells just as sweet if called another name. Bring it boys

I to can say things that don't really make sense-haha

Since when clubs " market" players. They get contacted and then they either confirm or deny player info, talent... Never had someone "shop" my older son and he played for s top level program, if you good enough to "market", they'll find you, travel team or not...don't believe the hype from teams that tell you different...playing in good tourneys is important more or less...showcases and your HS coach still the gold standard...but times have changed. Bluefish seems like it maybe interesting, True Blues affiliation with Adelphi's coach is longstanding, so nothing new here expect a team that may have legs from day one because of the names associated with it, we're going to give it a look Saturday for my 2020...need to know where they practice and who is really doing the day to day coaching or we'll skip it though, had enough of the bait and switch with practice facilities and coaches with other teams

Sounds like Bluefish knocking is starting and they haven't even held a practice...that smells of disinformation from another organization...give it a chance... There is plenty of money at the table for all to fill their pockets...so won't be playing in top tourneys this year, do what...they promise solid training and less bill rap, back to basics to make your kid a better player with names that are known for it... We'll see but give it a year or two before you burn it down...South Nassau needed a top level team, now they may have one...

Top level team, u just said it will take them a year or so to get going. How can u say top notch. Never fielded a team or played games. Good for younger kids not older boys in recruiting years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top level team, u just said it will take them a year or so to get going. How can u say top notch. Never fielded a team or played games. Good for younger kids not older boys in recruiting years

You may have to eat those words.

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top level team, u just said it will take them a year or so to get going. How can u say top notch. Never fielded a team or played games. Good for younger kids not older boys in recruiting years

You may have to eat those words.

Maybe, but won't have to eat his words for at least a year.That poster does have a point regarding the older boys, they have no track record, and if you want to say they brought over the Blue Sharks to be their core they were a B level team at best. They have no track record of value to put on their showcase applications. Hopefully they turn out to be a good program but only time will tell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know the deal with team revolution

I got to registration page but couldn't get to any page to see their program info.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know the deal with team revolution

I got to registration page but couldn't get to any page to see their program info.

Team Revolution should be in good shape for upcoming year. They've done well over the past two years and should qualify for some good showcases. My kid played with them last year and had a good experience and the price was reasonable.

Our 2019 Try Out has 110 Kids registered as of 530am sat. Online Registration will close at 7pm tonight. Walk ups are welcome. We will be fielding 3 Teams at this age
Thanks PB

Can someone explain the Express Teams in the 2019 age bracket, who coaches the AA the A and B teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone explain the Express Teams in the 2019 age bracket, who coaches the AA the A and B teams?

Why does the guy from Kellenberg even coach the top team? He loses his best players to St A's and Cham every yr.

what team r u referring to?

Originally Posted by Uncle Johns band

Our 2019 Try Out has 110 Kids registered as of 530am sat. Online Registration will close at 7pm tonight. Walk ups are welcome. We will be fielding 3 Teams at this age
Thanks PB

110 is a big number, the $ should be rolling in, but that number doesn't mean success. Last year Legacy had great numbers and talent at their tryout a but did not perform up to expectations. This team doesn't have a core to build with like 91, Express Outlaws or the other supposedly better programs did when they started. Hopefully all the big names will be around enough and the team is successful enough to warrant the high price to what you get, (or think you're gonna get) ratio

Con't......,,,It's too bad that lacrosse has gotten to this point....,very expensive, being told that to get recruited you need to have those certain contacts when it really comes down to your players ability. Heck, we even pay for try outs when it is the teams that should be courting the players, my son didn't pay to try out for his soccer team. If this keeps up Lacrosse will become too expensive for the regular family to participate. Can you say oligopoly?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Con't......,,,It's too bad that lacrosse has gotten to this point....,very expensive, being told that to get recruited you need to have those certain contacts when it really comes down to your players ability. Heck, we even pay for try outs when it is the teams that should be courting the players, my son didn't pay to try out for his soccer team. If this keeps up Lacrosse will become too expensive for the regular family to participate. Can you say oligopoly?

The difference that I see in tryouts for soccer and lacrosse, is that soccer first and foremost, is run by the mom and pop volunteer clubs and it is informal and come to a practice and tryout. For lacrosse, the clubs do what amounts to clinics to see the kids and there are usually 3, 4 or 5 dates. If they didn't charge people would use them as clinics and go for the training.

Bluefish having 3 teams at 2019 is a blatant money grab, better let people know what they will be getting for all that money...and still haven't heard a word about who will be coaching top team...you want top players to take a chance, better let them know who they will be taking it with

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bluefish having 3 teams at 2019 is a blatant money grab, better let people know what they will be getting for all that money...and still haven't heard a word about who will be coaching top team...you want top players to take a chance, better let them know who they will be taking it with

Hey, genius.. Have you thought of asking Bluefish? Duhhhh

hope all these team evaluators realize most of these boys are coming off a week and a morning of freshman football tryouts...dead legs will abound...last week was probably the freshest they'll see them, because next weekend will be worse...keep it in mind guys, should have done your 40 yard times last week...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hope all these team evaluators realize most of these boys are coming off a week and a morning of freshman football tryouts...dead legs will abound...last week was probably the freshest they'll see them, because next weekend will be worse...keep it in mind guys, should have done your 40 yard times last week...

Love it...so most lacrosse players only play catholic league

My son plays football in pequa, football has been going on for 3 weeks now

...and not every kid that plays lax is a football player either.

No a lot of kids are dropping football now chasing the lax dream. Pathetic!! Play more then 1 sport guys u will all burn out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hope all these team evaluators realize most of these boys are coming off a week and a morning of freshman football tryouts...dead legs will abound...last week was probably the freshest they'll see them, because next weekend will be worse...keep it in mind guys, should have done your 40 yard times last week...

The shame of what I know is Many of the top players arent playing football.

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Con't......,,,It's too bad that lacrosse has gotten to this point....,very expensive, being told that to get recruited you need to have those certain contacts when it really comes down to your players ability. Heck, we even pay for try outs when it is the teams that should be courting the players, my son didn't pay to try out for his soccer team. If this keeps up Lacrosse will become too expensive for the regular family to participate. Can you say oligopoly?

The difference that I see in tryouts for soccer and lacrosse, is that soccer first and foremost, is run by the mom and pop volunteer clubs and it is informal and come to a practice and tryout. For lacrosse, the clubs do what amounts to clinics to see the kids and there are usually 3, 4 or 5 dates. If they didn't charge people would use them as clinics and go for the training.

You are wrong about soccer there are quite a few serious clubs, lax is simply out of control.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Con't......,,,It's too bad that lacrosse has gotten to this point....,very expensive, being told that to get recruited you need to have those certain contacts when it really comes down to your players ability. Heck, we even pay for try outs when it is the teams that should be courting the players, my son didn't pay to try out for his soccer team. If this keeps up Lacrosse will become too expensive for the regular family to participate. Can you say oligopoly?

The difference that I see in tryouts for soccer and lacrosse, is that soccer first and foremost, is run by the mom and pop volunteer clubs and it is informal and come to a practice and tryout. For lacrosse, the clubs do what amounts to clinics to see the kids and there are usually 3, 4 or 5 dates. If they didn't charge people would use them as clinics and go for the training.

You are wrong about soccer there are quite a few serious clubs, lax is simply out of control.

I am not wrong.. there are only a handful (one hand) of "serious" clubs in soccer and they are the for profits.

top athletes should play multiple sports, it's what made them top athletes in the first place�but it's all the coaches who say they want a well rounded athlete but not at the expense of HIS particular sport�to many off season commitments�travel lax now playing full load of fall tourneys, so football kids are made to choose�guess, what... when they come back in the spring, they are still the top athletes�give these kids room to breathe�my kid couldn't wait for football to start, but lax tryouts right in the middle of football tryouts has him doing two a days (yeah, I know all about the publics being back awhile already, keep your pants on), lets take a step back and think this stuff over, either have them after the season in August or after tryouts, you'll get a better look�

There's nothing wrong with for profits, second soccer is much bigger. Most towns are fielding several teams at the mid to lower age groups which enrollment wise rival the numbers of some of the big Lacrosse clubs. Also, many of these guys have been doing this over a period of decades....how many lacrosse clubs can say that?

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Con't......,,,It's too bad that lacrosse has gotten to this point....,very expensive, being told that to get recruited you need to have those certain contacts when it really comes down to your players ability. Heck, we even pay for try outs when it is the teams that should be courting the players, my son didn't pay to try out for his soccer team. If this keeps up Lacrosse will become too expensive for the regular family to participate. Can you say oligopoly?

The difference that I see in tryouts for soccer and lacrosse, is that soccer first and foremost, is run by the mom and pop volunteer clubs and it is informal and come to a practice and tryout. For lacrosse, the clubs do what amounts to clinics to see the kids and there are usually 3, 4 or 5 dates. If they didn't charge people would use them as clinics and go for the training.

You are wrong about soccer there are quite a few serious clubs, lax is simply out of control.

I am not wrong.. there are only a handful (one hand) of "serious" clubs in soccer and they are the for profits.

I was told there were less then 20 players at the True Blue tryout, anyone know if this is true?

I think more kids looking at the bluefish and team revolution at this point. Went on team revolution website and they are saying they are going to some fall showcases. And for summer it says at least 3 showcase tournaments. Not bad. I know they had a pretty solid team last year. And heard Malave is head coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone explain the Express Teams in the 2019 age bracket, who coaches the AA the A and B teams?

Why does the guy from Kellenberg even coach the top team? He loses his best players to St A's and Cham every yr.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone explain the Express Teams in the 2019 age bracket, who coaches the AA the A and B teams?

Why does the guy from Kellenberg even coach the top team? He loses his best players to St A's and Cham every yr.

He needs to coach the top team in something . Can't do it at Kellenberg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told there were less then 20 players at the True Blue tryout, anyone know if this is true?

Low turnout Surprising? no.

Saw notable TB players at Express and Bluefish.
Also expect to see several at Revolution tonight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told there were less then 20 players at the True Blue tryout, anyone know if this is true?

Sounds like a TLI tryout

Not sold on the website. Be careful they lost some really good players from last year. I heard they were key players. Revo may not be the same. They don't appear that strong of a team to compete at showcases especially if they lost five or six of their core players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told there were less then 20 players at the True Blue tryout, anyone know if this is true?

Sounds like a TLI tryout

Going the same direction as the Jesters?
Remember them?
And what they did to the kids on last years team?

More than 20 at TB but not many. Decent talent, Coach will be Catalonotti from Adelphi.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sold on the website. Be careful they lost some really good players from last year. I heard they were key players. Revo may not be the same. They don't appear that strong of a team to compete at showcases especially if they lost five or six of their core players.

What team? Revo or another team, heard some others may not have teams or competitive teams.

Kellenberg will surprise this year...need a few years to attract the talent, freshman class has notable players from all top teams...give them time

Revo did not lose 5 or 6 top players. Maybe 1 might leave. The other 2 kicked off team because of attitude problems. So good luck to a team that took them. They are not worth the headache.

Heard Revolution already has a couple of showcase invites.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Revolution already has a couple of showcase invites.

Which showcase?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More than 20 at TB but not many. Decent talent, Coach will be Catalonotti from Adelphi.

Cat in.... Are B V and B C still coaching?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told there were less then 20 players at the True Blue tryout, anyone know if this is true?

Sounds like a TLI tryout

Going the same direction as the Jesters?
Remember them?
And what they did to the kids on last years team?

Amazing changes in lax for this age group over the past 3 or 4 years

TB split from Jesters
Revolution split from TB
Inception and demise of LIT Blue Sharks
Demise of Jesters
Inception of BlueFish
LI sharks will form team
legacy, outlaws and 91 seem rather stable
fl$ fight with Chaminade - new Manhasset tryout connection
Weak turnouts at TLI tryouts and TB tryouts
Weak turnout at Igloo and demise of team in this age
Large tryout populations at express, bluefish and revolution

That said, with the scattering of good players from fl$, Igloo, True Blue, and LIT BlueSharks, we can expect many changes in some A and AA level teams at Express, Revolution, Legacy, and Outlaws. Don't expect too many defections from 91.

Where did you get your info, what key players left? That group plays as a team and always has, never relying on individuals. Last year any time they were without any "key" players they did fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sold on the website. Be careful they lost some really good players from last year. I heard they were key players. Revo may not be the same. They don't appear that strong of a team to compete at showcases especially if they lost five or six of their core players.

I was with revo so if your kid is trying out and want some info I will be more then happy to answer any questions that you may have honestly. Two sides to every story.

Don't know those initials sorry

Bluefish had great talent and a ton of kids. 3 teams for 2019. TB had decent talent, little over 22 kids. Revolution had about 90 kids. Talent was there but dropped off dramatically. Saw multiple dropped balls and kids without a left hand. Also hearing 3 teams.

Funny when one of the kids scored seven goals at a tournament nothing was said. Just goes to show people what some people on the team say about you when your not there. These are the same people that are your teammates. Watch your back cause it could be your kid that they want to blackball next. The two of the kids from revolution were the ones who, with others made the team what they are. They went to e new organization to help put it on the map and that's what you get. Beware.

Glad to hear most kids going back to Revo. I know the there are three that are not going to be there. If they were to loose five or six players ,[lacrosse] if any team was to lose five or six players it's tough to replace top talent. That's what I think the guy or gal was referring to with the revolution comment. At least that's what it sounds like to me. When you start bashing kids that tells me your a coward. That's real nice. Your an a**. Just call me if you have something to say so we can talk like gentlemen and not hide behind the web. Feel free anytime. Your a peice of sh** carma is a [lacrosse]. You'll get yours. These are so call friends you.know for years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Glad to hear most kids going back to Revo. I know the there are three that are not going to be there. If they were to loose five or six players ,[lacrosse] if any team was to lose five or six players it's tough to replace top talent. That's what I think the guy or gal was referring to with the revolution comment. At least that's what it sounds like to me. When you start bashing kids that tells me your a coward. That's real nice. Your an a**. Just call me if you have something to say so we can talk like gentlemen and not hide behind the web. Feel free anytime. Your a peice of sh** carma is a [lacrosse]. You'll get yours. These are so call friends you.know for years.

The truth is kids come and go from every organization. It happens every year. Some kids need a fresh start to try and get back the love for the game. kids don't mesh sometimes or grow apart so then it's time to move on. There should be no hard feelings either way . Consider it a lesson learned on both end. Just not sure what players Revo lost from last years team that people are talking about?

Wow...a little early to be getting into it boys, wait till afternoon and I'll hold your coats...sounds like Revo had it's troubles, probably why I saw so many at Bluefish...every organization has it's issues, TB seems like it's in it's death throws, fl$ on weaker ground ( their own doing I hear ), Igloo and Tomahawks are weaker still... the common denominator here? Everyone wants to stack the deck in their kids favor, musical chairs with teams in order to find the perfect spot...the kids suffer the consequences...to much instability at this age level other than Express and 91, and unless your kid is an ace, they risk getting buried their...save your money and try the showcases this year then let the freshman coach tell you where to play next summer

Does anybody have any thoughts on Bluefish? Seems a little high $1750 for 10-12 practices? Can�t beat what Revolution offers throughout the year? Think people would change over? Not sure which team my son would make�.just looking and trying to make right decision.

True every team has issues that's for sure but to bash kids is not the way to go. I couldn't care less what kid and from what team. Whatever happened in the past is over with. Kids move on to different teams as we all know. The problem I have is stop talking about the kids. Never heard anything bad about kids from the organization. But there is always some moron that has to go there without the facts. There is two sides to every story that's true. It's a situation that the coaches need to handle as well as the parents. Why bad mouth the kids?

This whole Chaminade/Garden City war that fl$ has initiated is only going to help Express. Why do you think there were so many kids at their tryouts. Anyone attending or thinking of attending Chaminade has to be wary of fl$. I guess they are content to make it a de facto Manhasset HS organization,

I agree, talk about programs not kids. every team will have turnover and have kids that don't gel anymore. that is why people leave to go to other teams and I wish all the players good luck.

lets just try and remember that they are still kids(14 years old) and it should still be about the kids developing and having fun.

Good Luck to all teams

$1750 sounds a little high but at least the tourney fees are part of the price, correct? equipment package looked good too...helmet AND gloves, or helmet AND equipment package ( they hadn't decided ). Some teams don't include tourneys fees and charge more...Gloves are usually extra..there will be some extra costs once your roped in, off season training at the bubble and such...I'll consider it seriously...the kicker will be the training, and location...these guys had an army of young coaches at the tryouts, younger coaches relate better, older coaches know more, could be a nice mix, practices at Hofstra, this would be pretty nice...only one way to find out...saw ALOT of talent at the tryout, so maybe some decent level of play by next summer, some decent team showcases...that's what I would wanna hear about, but looks good

Come on really. Trying to make revo sound like its so great for the money. What if your kid doesn't make either? Oh wait your kid is already on revo. Nice try but people aren't stupid. You have to look at the whole picture. Who runs the organization? Are parents involved? Are the coaches adults or are they kids in college? Where do they practice? If your kids a goalie, do they have training? Middies and attack always have training. Who is the guy coaching defence? Your paying the money so you should ask them these questions. If you need some questions answered about revo I will be more then happy tp help you out. All I could do is be honest with you because others are going to give you a line of crap and tell you what you want to hear. I'll try to help out as best as I can.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Come on really. Trying to make revo sound like its so great for the money. What if your kid doesn't make either? Oh wait your kid is already on revo. Nice try but people aren't stupid. You have to look at the whole picture. Who runs the organization? Are parents involved? Are the coaches adults or are they kids in college? Where do they practice? If your kids a goalie, do they have training? Middies and attack always have training. Who is the guy coaching defence? Your paying the money so you should ask them these questions. If you need some questions answered about revo I will be more then happy tp help you out. All I could do is be honest with you because others are going to give you a line of crap and tell you what you want to hear. I'll try to help out as best as I can.

Thank you great OZ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

$1750 sounds a little high but at least the tourney fees are part of the price, correct? equipment package looked good too...helmet AND gloves, or helmet AND equipment package ( they hadn't decided ). Some teams don't include tourneys fees and charge more...Gloves are usually extra..there will be some extra costs once your roped in, off season training at the bubble and such...I'll consider it seriously...the kicker will be the training, and location...these guys had an army of young coaches at the tryouts, younger coaches relate better, older coaches know more, could be a nice mix, practices at Hofstra, this would be pretty nice...only one way to find out...saw ALOT of talent at the tryout, so maybe some decent level of play by next summer, some decent team showcases...that's what I would wanna hear about, but looks good

It all sounds great....biggest question is the extent to which these college players and coaches will be actively engaged in the Spring as well as the Summer. Their season starts in Winter and runs into Spring. In the Summer doesn't Tierney have to be out on the recruiting trail himself attending showcases, etc.? It will be interesting to see if they can juggle it all and make the thing successful.

yeah, that Manhasset thing was pretty obvious from the 2020 tryouts, fl$ not worth the money they charge anyway, even by GC standards, mostly play in obscure tourneys they have their name on and that they have a hand in the till...let's see how fair getting into bed with the 'Set' gets you...wood stick awaits

Developing and having fun at 14. Not anymore guy. It's unfortunate but now it's about showcases and getting on a team that has connections. Also a very good team where if you go to a showcase you don't get embarrassed. I wish it was fun for my son but it's about college now.

Really guy. So tell us is your son a scholar and a great athlete. If he is then I don't think your kid will have a problem getting into any school he chooses. You can easily send highlight film from his highschool games to any college he wants to attend. If they like him they will find him. Just be realistic when you judge you childs talent. Remember it's only going to help him get into a school that maybe he would not of been able to get into.

He makes a good point. Many people don't ask questions and just go along with everybody else. If you know your child then some of these questions are important to you as well as your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Come on really. Trying to make revo sound like its so great for the money. What if your kid doesn't make either? Oh wait your kid is already on revo. Nice try but people aren't stupid. You have to look at the whole picture. Who runs the organization? Are parents involved? Are the coaches adults or are they kids in college? Where do they practice? If your kids a goalie, do they have training? Middies and attack always have training. Who is the guy coaching defence? Your paying the money so you should ask them these questions. If you need some questions answered about revo I will be more then happy tp help you out. All I could do is be honest with you because others are going to give you a line of crap and tell you what you want to hear. I'll try to help out as best as I can.

played them, whatever they did with the defense worked cause that was strongest part of their team from what I saw.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was with revo so if your kid is trying out and want some info I will be more then happy to answer any questions that you may have honestly. Two sides to every story.

. I was with Revo sounds like you are no longer. I hope your side isn't the disgruntled side, and remember "carma" works both ways. If are still with the team or not good luck in the future.

True defence is probably strongest part of thr team. Think it always has been.

What does your son want to be when he get older?

What I like about bluefish is the people behind the organization. They are well know in the lax world and I'm sure they know how to put thUtS2Ssis program where it needs to be. So paying a little more may be the best thing. If I had to choose I would give the edge to bluefish. I don't know who runs revolution but I don't think the names are as big as bluefish. Come to think of it I haven't seen anything on revolution on this site. Anybody know why? Are they a new team as well? I didn't see anything on the BOC last year either.

Don't know what team your son will make but can say Revolution team has a solid track record and plays at a high level already. Personally I would go there as logic says they will have a better resume for their showcase applications. That also means it might be more difficult to make that team so good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anybody have any thoughts on Bluefish? Seems a little high $1750 for 10-12 practices? Can�t beat what Revolution offers throughout the year? Think people would change over? Not sure which team my son would make�.just looking and trying to make right decision.

your kid wont get recruited..you think the director wants to show other colleges and universities that he will play during the season his kids that he has on his team. he wont go to any events with coaches there. he want the kids for his program.people wake up and get a clue..$$$$$$ grab. Asst coach even said at the tryout if i know we would get this many boys to tryout i would have done this 2 years ago. $$$ grab

Guys what showcases are important to you!? Go to that showcases web site and see if your team is on their list. If not, at the very least question it!

I also don't think you need to do 3 fall tourneys, keep it at 2 team showcases and train, train, train; maybe hit up a few (2) select school "invites" sessions.

I hope some of the directors realize you can get some great friendly's going.

Btw - the team with the biggest shift this upcoming season probably isn't even known to the masses yet. So relax and let the chips fall where they may.

I guess this person should not even bring his son to revolution if he's not a very good player because revolution is playing at a high level. Wow I guess you told him where to go. I guess that other guy was right about the organization. Now I know why they were trying to trash kids.

No one at revolution was trashing any kids from last year. It is someone stirring the pot who heard hear say stories. Because they don't want certain kids to go to revo. They want those kids for their team. Its all a ploy to try and make an organization look bad. All good people associated with revo. Good parents and coaches who care.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I like about bluefish is the people behind the organization. They are well know in the lax world and I'm sure they know how to put thUtS2Ssis program where it needs to be. So paying a little more may be the best thing. If I had to choose I would give the edge to bluefish. I don't know who runs revolution but I don't think the names are as big as bluefish. Come to think of it I haven't seen anything on revolution on this site. Anybody know why? Are they a new team as well? I didn't see anything on the BOC last year either.

Are you talking to yourself as you write and answering your own questions..comical..think before you write it might help

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess this person should not even bring his son to revolution if he's not a very good player because revolution is playing at a high level. Wow I guess you told him where to go. I guess that other guy was right about the organization. Now I know why they were trying to trash kids.

Why do you keep writing pretending to be a different person each time. It gets old real quick.

Looks like people are getting a little upset. Hey this is great. How come noone is answering any questions? I'm really interested to read whats going on.

Did you not read what was said. It's someone from your organization. Stop trying to cover things up. I thought all the kids are coming back so who could be taking or trying to take your kids. Talk about kids like that. Thanks guys for being standup people. Why to take a teammates back. That's loyalty at it's best. Still haven't answered questions yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did you not read what was said. It's someone from your organization. Stop trying to cover things up. I thought all the kids are coming back so who could be taking or trying to take your kids. Talk about kids like that. Thanks guys for being standup people. Why to take a teammates back. That's loyalty at it's best. Still haven't answered questions yet.

can you repeat the question again?

Poster said they would go to TEAM REVOLUTION, but it might be more difficult to make the team. My interpretation was the worthwhile road is sometimes the more difficult road.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess this person should not even bring his son to revolution if he's not a very good player because revolution is playing at a high level. Wow I guess you told him where to go. I guess that other guy was right about the organization. Now I know why they were trying to trash kids.

Maybe it was someone from an organization someone was interested in going to. Many people are aware of what takes place within other organizations. Sometimes players play on various teams during the year as well and run into those players in other places.......the only thing you should be sure of is that you shouldn't be sure of anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did you not read what was said. It's someone from your organization. Stop trying to cover things up. I thought all the kids are coming back so who could be taking or trying to take your kids. Talk about kids like that. Thanks guys for being standup people. Why to take a teammates back. That's loyalty at it's best. Still haven't answered questions yet.

I made alot of friends and hope to remain friends with some not all. To not go to bat for another friend who's kids were trashed. Friends don't do friends like that. As for your last comment I have no clue why someone from another team that they don't play for gas anything to do with it.

You know what ,people get a kick out of doing stiff like this to other people and it aint right. People try to play games and get each other to start something between teams and individuals which is is not right. Try to keep iton the up and up and no kids..

Just goes to show you what a person woulddo to stsrt crap. This person could not answer any questions. Just trying to get people to have an argument.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just goes to show you what a person woulddo to stsrt crap. This person could not answer any questions. Just trying to get people to have an argument.

Please stop posting one post after another. Thank you.

What top level showcases are this fall and following summer? I understand many of these showcases are money grabs and aren't necessarily helpful to being recruited?

we did 3d last year outside LarryMiller...not sure how many college coaches were at that one, but my son had fun, learn some stuff from the coaches, met some kids and got to test himself against cream of the crop players...all in the Florida sun on Super Bowl weekend...I suggest you make whatever showcase your looking to do a multipurpose weekend and get something else out of it...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What top level showcases are this fall and following summer? I understand many of these showcases are money grabs and aren't necessarily helpful to being recruited?

This fall: Freshman Philly Showcase
Summer: maverick show time, Jake Reed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What top level showcases are this fall and following summer? I understand many of these showcases are money grabs and aren't necessarily helpful to being recruited?

This fall: Freshman Philly Showcase
Summer: maverick show time, Jake Reed

All 3 of these showcases need coaches reco's...Best of Luck And Jake Reed sends out invites as well.

I was told that igloo can't field a team for 2019 this year. Is that correct I thought they had a solid team last year, what happened? First they cancel the 2018 team and now no takers for 2019. what about the kids that were at the tryouts and were told they will have a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told that igloo can't field a team for 2019 this year. Is that correct I thought they had a solid team last year, what happened? First they cancel the 2018 team and now no takers for 2019. what about the kids that were at the tryouts and were told they will have a team.

Are you talking as athird person. One minute you say you heard the next thing you ask about the kids that were told they will have a team . Is that what you were told . If there is no team you can try out for some other organization . There is still time and plenty of organizations out there to tey and find a team

Really, time and plenty of teams? not hardly! Whose left that you want to head to team showcases with? In this pivotal year do you really want to start over with a new team that may or may not be invited to any showcase level tournament, teams that crumble at this point in the year did your kids wrong and should've let them know that there was a problem if they knew ( fl$, TB, Igloo),so they could've tried out for other teams earlier than this point in the process...money grab, money grab, money grab... But it's going on all over the place this year ... Lots of kids scrambling for a spot on a decent showcase team now with all these collapses and banishments... Teams don't care, got their tryout money, now the settle into their chosen few...TB and Igloo owe it to their boys at this age to reach out to each other, try to form a showcase team under one banner or the other and allow the boys a shot at a showcase.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really, time and plenty of teams? not hardly! Whose left that you want to head to team showcases with? In this pivotal year do you really want to start over with a new team that may or may not be invited to any showcase level tournament, teams that crumble at this point in the year did your kids wrong and should've let them know that there was a problem if they knew ( fl$, TB, Igloo),so they could've tried out for other teams earlier than this point in the process...money grab, money grab, money grab... But it's going on all over the place this year ... Lots of kids scrambling for a spot on a decent showcase team now with all these collapses and banishments... Teams don't care, got their tryout money, now the settle into their chosen few...TB and Igloo owe it to their boys at this age to reach out to each other, try to form a showcase team under one banner or the other and allow the boys a shot at a showcase.

If you paid by CC you might as well dispute it so they can't get the money

Some igloo and true blue kids were at team revolution tryouts. I should of took my boy to this one. Couple of guys I know took their boys and were surprised at the quality of players there. Not sure what showcases they could get into but if you field a real competitive team maybe they could get in some down the road. Still feel 10th going into 11th grade is the ideal recruiting time for most of these boys.

There was a lot of talent at both Revolution tryouts. They will field two very good teams. Still one tryout left I believe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There was a lot of talent at both Revolution tryouts. They will field two very good teams. Still one tryout left I believe.

You believe? It clearly says on the website the 19th is the next tryout. I'm sure you know that already so why be secretive about it. They will get the leftover scraps to come to this one. Or the have nots..Lol . Other organizations may do another one to fill in the numbers on the rosters

Igloo emailed me and all others and got us recommend for the Blue Fish Program. Igloo did the right thing and didn't want to form a team for the sake of forming a team. They could have and taken my money, but didn't, and even gave us another place to go. What else could they do..

lots of changes to LI 2019. who is still around and who isn't as A or better. It's not about who's best but who is around and going where.

Express - 2 LI teams

Where is everyone else going - buzz worthy
Outlaws
Revolution
Sting
Empire
Bluefish

Will they have a team
Team LI?
Legacy?
All Greys?
True Blue?

Hey tough guy didn't know revolution had another tryout on the 19th. There are definitely very good players who are still out there who didn't want to take express B or the a$$ who runs fl$ team. So go take bluefish. So you feel good your kid is on an A team. Team revolution seems to be a viable option for nassau county kids or western Suffolk.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey tough guy didn't know revolution had another tryout on the 19th. There are definitely very good players who are still out there who didn't want to take express B or the a$$ who runs fl$ team. So go take bluefish. So you feel good your kid is on an A team. Team revolution seems to be a viable option for nassau county kids or western Suffolk.

I guess it's hard to read .when you were told about the tryouts didn't you see the third date right on the flyer. Your suppose to go to that one also. The cost is around $1700 without extra showcases which will add to the price I'm sure

I think they practice in floral or new hyde park in the fall and summer but queens in the winter. Somewhat long ride for guys coming from Suffolk. Their are other teams on the island holding tryouts still.

TB 2019 will not field a team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think they practice in floral or new hyde park in the fall and summer but queens in the winter. Somewhat long ride for guys coming from Suffolk. Their are other teams on the island holding tryouts still.

. Told us a lot of the practices eastern nassaua and winter too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TB 2019 will not field a team

Don't start rumors unless you know for a fact - nothing has been announced from TB

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey tough guy didn't know revolution had another tryout on the 19th. There are definitely very good players who are still out there who didn't want to take express B or the a$$ who runs fl$ team. So go take bluefish. So you feel good your kid is on an A team. Team revolution seems to be a viable option for nassau county kids or western Suffolk.

I guess it's hard to read .when you were told about the tryouts didn't you see the third date right on the flyer. Your suppose to go to that one also. The cost is around $1700 without extra showcases which will add to the price I'm sure

. Extra showcases, are they necessary. How many is the exact number one should do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Igloo emailed me and all others and got us recommend for the Blue Fish Program. Igloo did the right thing and didn't want to form a team for the sake of forming a team. They could have and taken my money, but didn't, and even gave us another place to go. What else could they do..

They could've formed a team and trained kids, but only want competitive teams cause they attract the $. And think about this, igloo tried to forge teams in an older age bracket out of thin air. It didn't work, so what did they do? They got their players recommended for a team and program with even less of a track record. Good luck boys, don't know if they really did you a favor.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Igloo emailed me and all others and got us recommend for the Blue Fish Program. Igloo did the right thing and didn't want to form a team for the sake of forming a team. They could have and taken my money, but didn't, and even gave us another place to go. What else could they do..

They could've formed a team and trained kids, but only want competitive teams cause they attract the $. And think about this, igloo tried to forge teams in an older age bracket out of thin air. It didn't work, so what did they do? They got their players recommended for a team and program with even less of a track record. Good luck boys, don't know if they really did you a favor.

A pack of these old igloo players will likely go as a group together but not necessarily bluefish. Saw a bunch at revolution. Which was after bluefish.

I would find out for sure. Seems like alot of traveling from Suffolk to queens.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think they practice in floral or new hyde park in the fall and summer but queens in the winter. Somewhat long ride for guys coming from Suffolk. Their are other teams on the island holding tryouts still.

After the tryout the director said that this team will practice in Eastern Nassau and do their winter program in the Bethpage/Farmingdale area. They said it was done to attract more kids from suffolk

How much is revolution does anybody know? I heard its cheep unless they raise their prices like all of the other organisations. What do they offer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Igloo emailed me and all others and got us recommend for the Blue Fish Program. Igloo did the right thing and didn't want to form a team for the sake of forming a team. They could have and taken my money, but didn't, and even gave us another place to go. What else could they do..

They could've formed a team and trained kids, but only want competitive teams cause they attract the $. And think about this, igloo tried to forge teams in an older age bracket out of thin air. It didn't work, so what did they do? They got their players recommended for a team and program with even less of a track record. Good luck boys, don't know if they really did you a favor.

Did they refund your tryout fee. That should of been the first thing they did.

Give me a break. What were they suppose to do? At least they recommend kids to a new organization that has lax people involved in it. Bluefish has some very good people in the organization not like some other teams. Powers and Tierney just to start off with. These guys are very very good lax guys who have a great reputation in the lax community. To me I think that it's a no brainer. Where do you go, revolution? Who do they have running the organization some lax dad? Do they even have any big name people in the organization that have been successful in what they do? These guys at bluefish can teach you kids about lax at a much higher level then most. It's all a matter of who you want teaching your kids and how far you want to go with your sons knowledge of the game.

Nobody does that. Be realistic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Give me a break. What were they suppose to do? At least they recommend kids to a new organization that has lax people involved in it. Bluefish has some very good people in the organization not like some other teams. Powers and Tierney just to start off with. These guys are very very good lax guys who have a great reputation in the lax community. To me I think that it's a no brainer. Where do you go, revolution? Who do they have running the organization some lax dad? Do they even have any big name people in the organization that have been successful in what they do? These guys at bluefish can teach you kids about lax at a much higher level then most. It's all a matter of who you want teaching your kids and how far you want to go with your sons knowledge of the game.

yeah sure and the Legacy program, igloo program and TB program had some pretty impressive names and look at them. its all smoke and mirrors. just ask parents if they like a program and if it is well run. Also ask did their kids get playing time and were they coached well

good luck to all and keep it positive

Are the kids supposed to hear about the results from the Revolution tryouts today?

Some invites were sent I heard for Red....not sure about white team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TB 2019 will not field a team

Don't start rumors unless you know for a fact - nothing has been announced from TB

Fact! No 2019 Team for 2015/16. Phone calls were made last night.

I heard TB was holding an additional tryout and was planning on attending? Where did you hear no team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard TB was holding an additional tryout and was planning on attending? Where did you hear no team?

A very reliable source. And I heard about the additional tryout too, which has now been followed by the no 2019 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard TB was holding an additional tryout and was planning on attending? Where did you hear no team?

A very reliable source. And I heard about the additional tryout too, which has now been followed by the no 2019 team.

Heard it from horse's mouth - not sure why Igloo and TB didn't work something out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard TB was holding an additional tryout and was planning on attending? Where did you hear no team?

A very reliable source. And I heard about the additional tryout too, which has now been followed by the no 2019 team.

Does this go for 2018 team too ?

Does anyone know who are the coaches for the following A teams and which fall tournys they will be attending????

Bluefish
Revolution
Legacy

Only know revolution. Kid name mike malawe. Bluefish as far as I know hasn't named one to my knowledge and can't remember lagacys coach. He is a head varsity coach for SWR high school I believe. Sorry not much help.

Legacy Commandos is Mike Taylor.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only know revolution. Kid name mike malawe. Bluefish as far as I know hasn't named one to my knowledge and can't remember lagacys coach. He is a head varsity coach for SWR high school I believe. Sorry not much help.

Anybody have any idea what the 91 teams might be looking for? I would imagine with the seasons orange and white had they aren't looking to make many changes. Anyone have any insight?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody have any idea what the 91 teams might be looking for? I would imagine with the seasons orange and white had they aren't looking to make many changes. Anyone have any insight?

Unless your on the top team be careful. In 2018 age group there seems to be a mass exodus going on from the Orange Team which was the 2nd team behind Extreme. Players and parents not happy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lots of changes to LI 2019. who is still around and who isn't as A or better. It's not about who's best but who is around and going where.

Express - 2 LI teams

Where is everyone else going - buzz worthy
Outlaws
Revolution
Sting
Empire
Bluefish

Will they have a team
Team LI?
Legacy?
All Greys?
True Blue?

Legacy will have A and solid B again, both with excellent coaching! Tryouts are next weeend, and they can get in any showcase that they want. These other teams folding should boost the talent for both Legacy teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told that igloo can't field a team for 2019 this year. Is that correct I thought they had a solid team last year, what happened? First they cancel the 2018 team and now no takers for 2019. what about the kids that were at the tryouts and were told they will have a team.

Yeah, what happened? They were very good....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Give me a break. What were they suppose to do? At least they recommend kids to a new organization that has lax people involved in it. Bluefish has some very good people in the organization not like some other teams. Powers and Tierney just to start off with. These guys are very very good lax guys who have a great reputation in the lax community. To me I think that it's a no brainer. Where do you go, revolution? Who do they have running the organization some lax dad? Do they even have any big name people in the organization that have been successful in what they do? These guys at bluefish can teach you kids about lax at a much higher level then most. It's all a matter of who you want teaching your kids and how far you want to go with your sons knowledge of the game.

yeah sure and the Legacy program, igloo program and TB program had some pretty impressive names and look at them. its all smoke and mirrors. just ask parents if they like a program and if it is well run. Also ask did their kids get playing time and were they coached well

good luck to all and keep it positive

What's the problem with Legacy and Mike Taylor as head coach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Give me a break. What were they suppose to do? At least they recommend kids to a new organization that has lax people involved in it. Bluefish has some very good people in the organization not like some other teams. Powers and Tierney just to start off with. These guys are very very good lax guys who have a great reputation in the lax community. To me I think that it's a no brainer. Where do you go, revolution? Who do they have running the organization some lax dad? Do they even have any big name people in the organization that have been successful in what they do? These guys at bluefish can teach you kids about lax at a much higher level then most. It's all a matter of who you want teaching your kids and how far you want to go with your sons knowledge of the game.

Tierny and Powers are great guys too, but they will not be able to dedicate the time. They won't be there much....

Powers and Teirney. With their names associated with the Bluefish program, gotta think they'll be doing more than showing up from time to time, the success or failure will reflect on them regardless of their efforts, that could follow them to the recruiting world, lots of talent here on the island, how they are previewed by those players directly affected by the word of mouth to follow these next few seasons. they are now the frontmen, like it or not, the integrity of the program will depend upon them...so, on integrity issue, already have a few questionable acts on your behalf. Nice speech following first tryout about getting back to basics, about being about the training and the boys...so what happens at second tryout, some LIT Sharks kids are told they don't need to show up, already have a spot, where's the integrity in that, the level playing field? If they are so good, why can't they be their like the rest of the boys, take their lumps and prove their worth. Old boy network already in play and haven't even started playing, Careful of what's going on behind your backs Coach T and Coach P...now, we're told invites to play are going to be sent out to select few...how about some transparency, how many of those can't misses were LIT kids whose parents have coach's ear? Post the players tryout numbers so the rest of us can see what helmets they wear, see how well they play versus the rest. If this was to be announced as a retread of LIT Sharks, with a few Express defects, gotta figure you wouldn't have captured so many peoples interest and tryout money...last integrity issue, with Igloo and TB in trouble, last tryout should be interesting and crowded. However, all these new kids who will probably come were able to attend other teams tryouts, those that came to all the Bluefish workouts and put all their faith in a fair process could not, missed a lot of competing teams tryout dates to be at YOURS, now these parents and players have to worry that all their hard work during first two dates won't mean anything. So, we get an email blast Weds. telling that were waiting on this last influx before decisions are made, single tryout attended gets equal weight with all three? Hope not, no integrity in that, should be weighted. Also, boys have their opening football games the day before the last workout, maybe a bit banged up and a step slower that first two dates, not an even field for evaluation. Integrity Coach Teirney, Coach Powers...let's hope you stand for it, not with your backs to it.

my guess is that your so. Is a B player trying to get on an A team. I understand the frustration and I'm sure if they get enough kids will form what they call a second A team along with a B team like Revo is trying to do. telling you the talent level is incredible and we need to form another team. Keep drinking the Kool aid and pass it along

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Powers and Teirney. With their names associated with the Bluefish program, gotta think they'll be doing more than showing up from time to time, the success or failure will reflect on them regardless of their efforts, that could follow them to the recruiting world, lots of talent here on the island, how they are previewed by those players directly affected by the word of mouth to follow these next few seasons. they are now the frontmen, like it or not, the integrity of the program will depend upon them...so, on integrity issue, already have a few questionable acts on your behalf. Nice speech following first tryout about getting back to basics, about being about the training and the boys...so what happens at second tryout, some LIT Sharks kids are told they don't need to show up, already have a spot, where's the integrity in that, the level playing field? If they are so good, why can't they be their like the rest of the boys, take their lumps and prove their worth. Old boy network already in play and haven't even started playing, Careful of what's going on behind your backs Coach T and Coach P...now, we're told invites to play are going to be sent out to select few...how about some transparency, how many of those can't misses were LIT kids whose parents have coach's ear? Post the players tryout numbers so the rest of us can see what helmets they wear, see how well they play versus the rest. If this was to be announced as a retread of LIT Sharks, with a few Express defects, gotta figure you wouldn't have captured so many peoples interest and tryout money...last integrity issue, with Igloo and TB in trouble, last tryout should be interesting and crowded. However, all these new kids who will probably come were able to attend other teams tryouts, those that came to all the Bluefish workouts and put all their faith in a fair process could not, missed a lot of competing teams tryout dates to be at YOURS, now these parents and players have to worry that all their hard work during first two dates won't mean anything. So, we get an email blast Weds. telling that were waiting on this last influx before decisions are made, single tryout attended gets equal weight with all three? Hope not, no integrity in that, should be weighted. Also, boys have their opening football games the day before the last workout, maybe a bit banged up and a step slower that first two dates, not an even field for evaluation. Integrity Coach Teirney, Coach Powers...let's hope you stand for it, not with your backs to it.

Not sure what your issue is with the tryouts and transparency. The registration made it very clear that you ONLY need to attend ONE tryout. My son only was able to make the first tryout had a good day there and received one of the early invites to join the A team. We did not play for the LIT Bluesharks. We turned the invite down as they were late in the process and we had accepted a spot on another club. That being said I was very impressed with the tryouts, their philosophy and their transparency. for those who do decide to accept I think this will be a competitive team with good support and coaching. Good luck to you and your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Powers and Teirney. With their names associated with the Bluefish program, gotta think they'll be doing more than showing up from time to time, the success or failure will reflect on them regardless of their efforts, that could follow them to the recruiting world, lots of talent here on the island, how they are previewed by those players directly affected by the word of mouth to follow these next few seasons. they are now the frontmen, like it or not, the integrity of the program will depend upon them...so, on integrity issue, already have a few questionable acts on your behalf. Nice speech following first tryout about getting back to basics, about being about the training and the boys...so what happens at second tryout, some LIT Sharks kids are told they don't need to show up, already have a spot, where's the integrity in that, the level playing field? If they are so good, why can't they be their like the rest of the boys, take their lumps and prove their worth. Old boy network already in play and haven't even started playing, Careful of what's going on behind your backs Coach T and Coach P...now, we're told invites to play are going to be sent out to select few...how about some transparency, how many of those can't misses were LIT kids whose parents have coach's ear? Post the players tryout numbers so the rest of us can see what helmets they wear, see how well they play versus the rest. If this was to be announced as a retread of LIT Sharks, with a few Express defects, gotta figure you wouldn't have captured so many peoples interest and tryout money...last integrity issue, with Igloo and TB in trouble, last tryout should be interesting and crowded. However, all these new kids who will probably come were able to attend other teams tryouts, those that came to all the Bluefish workouts and put all their faith in a fair process could not, missed a lot of competing teams tryout dates to be at YOURS, now these parents and players have to worry that all their hard work during first two dates won't mean anything. So, we get an email blast Weds. telling that were waiting on this last influx before decisions are made, single tryout attended gets equal weight with all three? Hope not, no integrity in that, should be weighted. Also, boys have their opening football games the day before the last workout, maybe a bit banged up and a step slower that first two dates, not an even field for evaluation. Integrity Coach Teirney, Coach Powers...let's hope you stand for it, not with your backs to it.

Not sure what your issue is with the tryouts and transparency. The registration made it very clear that you ONLY need to attend ONE tryout. My son only was able to make the first tryout had a good day there and received one of the early invites to join the A team. We did not play for the LIT Bluesharks. We turned the invite down as they were late in the process and we had accepted a spot on another club. That being said I was very impressed with the tryouts, their philosophy and their transparency. for those who do decide to accept I think this will be a competitive team with good support and coaching. Good luck to you and your son.

I feel for the guy. It is extremely difficult to be honest with yourself and honest about your son's ability level. Bottom line, if your son is a top player, they will take him on the top team. Why wouldn't they? My advice to you is to try and find a team where your son can excel. Be the guy. Whether A or B. It doesn't sound like he's getting ACC looks right now. So realize, if he wants to play in college most D1 teams and all D3 programs recruit a little later. Focus on the things you can control. If your son is really into it, get him in a lifting program, no shoots and ladders. (total waste of time). Get him the best personal coach you can. Drill, drill and drill some more. All about muscle memory. Trust me when I say, it isn't easy to get a spot at the next level. D1,2 or 3. Its even hard once you get there. My older son was on campus 3 days and had to do his strength and conditioning tests, in D3!!! It's a lot of work to get there, and even more when you do.

Bluefish needs to come out of the gate with a bang. They are not going to put their names on the line with a team that is going to be a bust. Some kids made the first tryout and not the second and vice versa. To think they picked kids from the sharks just because and put them on an A team if they are not A team players doesn't say much for them. This last tryout will really be interesting. We will see what kids are truely A team players and which are not. You have to be realistic with your sons evalution that you give him. Don't think that because you want him playing on a A team and there's a new team out there that he's an A player. If by chance he has played on or made another A team and is that good of a player then I can understand your point. By him not making the A team and is that good ,well there's the politics for you. Many of us can judge talent as we have been around the lax world for some time. Making a B team isn't bad either depending on the talent that's out there. 91 has white and orange and are both A teams. It can be done. Other organizations like revolution who I hear are going to add a third 2019 team to me is just a money maker. There are plenty of teams that do that. Are these teams doing the right thing by doing that, who knows? You have to do your homework. Organizations get a reputation based on the talent of the kids not necessarily the coach in some instances. Teams play in tournaments that are crappy tournaments, win and think they are going places. The next year they play a little better tournaments and do ok. Following year they can't win one tournament. Just shows you that they may be an A team but not at the top of the list. There's alot for us parents to consider when it comes to making the right choice for our kid. If you just want your kid to play lax and don't really care if they win tournaments then your decision should be easy. There's going to be alot of talent at the next Bluefish tryout I'm sure so it will be very interesting to see who they pick. It's going to be good day. After this last one ,then you will see if they are doing the right thing as an organization or just another organization blowing smoke up our a**. Good luck to all the boys

Yep, you guessed it, got me...my kid is a B player who has never played for an "A" team. Now what? That invalidates what I said? Level playing field for yours iand mine. All I'm asking for. If your kid is talented enough to make just one tryout and be offered a spot, he should have the opportunity to shop himself around, you got offer a spot, it worked out for him. Congrats, but with a huge influx of middies next weekend, We are concerned he may get overlooked as he is just a little undersized. Again, so what . He and every boy deserve an even shot for OUR money, derserves to be able to meet all eligible competition on the field, not compete for just a few spots because the rest are promised the rest as I was told ( besides, I say LIT blue sharks last season, not quite A level play ). The vibe we were getting wasn't one date and your good, or else we would have shopped around too. We bite on what was said after the first tryout, significantly less at second due to TB and others being same time, just expecting a little loyalty to the process. No way to tell if it was either except post numbers of those who made it already, those that are in the cusp of making A, those that are slotted for B... Then it's up to the boys to slug it out, parents can gauge whether their kid belongs there in the first place if he is undressing some of the top slotted kids and can console himself if not that the kid really was better, that's the transparency I'm talking about... Don't let them go home thinking they got jobbed, again by the Croney system. We all know it exists, but not on true A teams, that's why they are AA and A, best kids play...good luck to all. And please, better supervision during full game play, was kinda chaotic, kids using coaches as picks because they are standing in the middle of play, as to subs, kids were all over the place, playing short at times because the teenagers acting as the sideline coaches were busy talking. Is this all this too much to ask my for my $80 and our time, son just went through football tryouts, every kid was there, no spots were held for select few, cream rose to the top, to much to ask for lacrosse tryouts? Does it all have to be about flashy me first play that's eye catching but generally ineffective in real game play? Sick of this crap and it's only just begun, I have two more kids coming up. Trying to find a good home for all where merit is still alive, just decided, we're going to Tomahawks instead, they are weak product too but are going to showcases we're going toplay the same game as everyone else, play two ends towards the middle and see who offers the best slot, let two days of bluefish stand

I agree on most of what you said but lifting weights at this age isn't really the answer. Should the kids do push ups and stuff like that,sure. The kids are still growing into their bodies. When they get to 16 is a good time for them to start. You don't have to be really strong to play lax but you do need to be able to have the stamina to run. Quick feet,good hands and the ability to take some punishment. It's not like football. The kids will get bigger and faster as they grow. The good thing is that you don't have to be big to be successful in lax. Just be honest with yourself and with your son and it will make life alot easier. Not saying that he won't get to that point but for now have him on a team where he is able to play and learn the game even more so cause you son will turn heads later on as he matures. Being on a good team and not playing as much isn't a good thing either.

American board of pediatrics says it's actually good for kids to lift some weights in a control environment. Teaching them the basics of proper form. Studies show boys who start lifting early in life are pound for pound stronger then other boys in high school. Builds strong bones and muscle memory so when they hit full puberty they are stronger

Who are the Tomahawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bluefish needs to come out of the gate with a bang. They are not going to put their names on the line with a team that is going to be a bust. Some kids made the first tryout and not the second and vice versa. To think they picked kids from the sharks just because and put them on an A team if they are not A team players doesn't say much for them. This last tryout will really be interesting. We will see what kids are truely A team players and which are not. You have to be realistic with your sons evalution that you give him. Don't think that because you want him playing on a A team and there's a new team out there that he's an A player. If by chance he has played on or made another A team and is that good of a player then I can understand your point. By him not making the A team and is that good ,well there's the politics for you. Many of us can judge talent as we have been around the lax world for some time. Making a B team isn't bad either depending on the talent that's out there. 91 has white and orange and are both A teams. It can be done. Other organizations like revolution who I hear are going to add a third 2019 team to me is just a money maker. There are plenty of teams that do that. Are these teams doing the right thing by doing that, who knows? You have to do your homework. Organizations get a reputation based on the talent of the kids not necessarily the coach in some instances. Teams play in tournaments that are crappy tournaments, win and think they are going places. The next year they play a little better tournaments and do ok. Following year they can't win one tournament. Just shows you that they may be an A team but not at the top of the list. There's alot for us parents to consider when it comes to making the right choice for our kid. If you just want your kid to play lax and don't really care if they win tournaments then your decision should be easy. There's going to be alot of talent at the next Bluefish tryout I'm sure so it will be very interesting to see who they pick. It's going to be good day. After this last one ,then you will see if they are doing the right thing as an organization or just another organization blowing smoke up our a**. Good luck to all the boys

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Omg. I can't believe I just read that very long post. You need a therapist

It was the therapist that wrote it. Lol.Omg.Ttul.k.Lmfao

So what was so wrong with the post,that this guy needs a therapist. Saw some things that are true. Wasn't that bad. I guess you need to read between the line's.

Besides express and 91 orange and white what teams fall in the next tier as far as being competitive A teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

American board of pediatrics says it's actually good for kids to lift some weights in a control environment. Teaching them the basics of proper form. Studies show boys who start lifting early in life are pound for pound stronger then other boys in high school. Builds strong bones and muscle memory so when they hit full puberty they are stronger

In general, most people (coaches, PE teachers, pediatricians) would suggest that 15 or 16 is the right tome for "weights" for boys. I've never heard anyone recommend hitting the bench press to a 12-13 year old - too much still going on in their development

That being said, strength training is important and can be done without using weights. They recommend resistance training, medicine balls, kettle bells, rowing machines, etc.

For young teens, Cross fit training is a good starter and they have teen specific programs with strength and cardio.

Couple that with speed and agility drills and kids can improve on their overall game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

American board of pediatrics says it's actually good for kids to lift some weights in a control environment. Teaching them the basics of proper form. Studies show boys who start lifting early in life are pound for pound stronger then other boys in high school. Builds strong bones and muscle memory so when they hit full puberty they are stronger

In general, most people (coaches, PE teachers, pediatricians) would suggest that 15 or 16 is the right tome for "weights" for boys. I've never heard anyone recommend hitting the bench press to a 12-13 year old - too much still going on in their development

That being said, strength training is important and can be done without using weights. They recommend resistance training, medicine balls, kettle bells, rowing machines, etc.

For young teens, Cross fit training is a good starter and they have teen specific programs with strength and cardio.

Couple that with speed and agility drills and kids can improve on their overall game.

although cross fit is a great exercise alternative it is not really a sports prep environment for teens your better off doing speed and agility but nothing beats swimming, biking and running

I would have to say outlaws supposedly select team maybe legacy but heard they lost a lot of top players and team revolution. Oh and I guess fl$ but we have played them over the years and never been impressed with them.

I said in a controlled setting. You can do DB bench. I wouldn't put a barbell on his back for squats though. You can do KB squats and lunges which work your fast twitch muscle fibers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

American board of pediatrics says it's actually good for kids to lift some weights in a control environment. Teaching them the basics of proper form. Studies show boys who start lifting early in life are pound for pound stronger then other boys in high school. Builds strong bones and muscle memory so when they hit full puberty they are stronger

In general, most people (coaches, PE teachers, pediatricians) would suggest that 15 or 16 is the right tome for "weights" for boys. I've never heard anyone recommend hitting the bench press to a 12-13 year old - too much still going on in their development

That being said, strength training is important and can be done without using weights. They recommend resistance training, medicine balls, kettle bells, rowing machines, etc.

For young teens, Cross fit training is a good starter and they have teen specific programs with strength and cardio.

Couple that with speed and agility drills and kids can improve on their overall game.

It is an old myth that kids should not weight train. No evidence exists that it is harmful. My son who is 16 has been lifting since 12. He looks great!

Putting white in the same sentence as orange and express is not realistic. putting them in same sentence with outlaws and all grays is much fairer. Big drop off after that........

My son is 14 and he is cut up. Has never lifted any weights. Does pull ups on occasion and looks great. It's all from just being an athlete. Plays multiple sports. He doesn't need to lift to look good. I guess its all based upon the kids make-up but I still want them to wait on lifting. No need to rush it.

They wouldn't have put their names to this program unless somebody was assuring them that they have a track record of starting up clubs and getting them off the ground. They will not be able to do that much with the program. If Hofstra has a bad year somebody will point their finger and say Tierny was distracted by outside interests. His first priority has to be to Hofstra.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Powers and Teirney. With their names associated with the Bluefish program, gotta think they'll be doing more than showing up from time to time, the success or failure will reflect on them regardless of their efforts, that could follow them to the recruiting world, lots of talent here on the island, how they are previewed by those players directly affected by the word of mouth to follow these next few seasons. they are now the frontmen, like it or not, the integrity of the program will depend upon them...so, on integrity issue, already have a few questionable acts on your behalf. Nice speech following first tryout about getting back to basics, about being about the training and the boys...so what happens at second tryout, some LIT Sharks kids are told they don't need to show up, already have a spot, where's the integrity in that, the level playing field? If they are so good, why can't they be their like the rest of the boys, take their lumps and prove their worth. Old boy network already in play and haven't even started playing, Careful of what's going on behind your backs Coach T and Coach P...now, we're told invites to play are going to be sent out to select few...how about some transparency, how many of those can't misses were LIT kids whose parents have coach's ear? Post the players tryout numbers so the rest of us can see what helmets they wear, see how well they play versus the rest. If this was to be announced as a retread of LIT Sharks, with a few Express defects, gotta figure you wouldn't have captured so many peoples interest and tryout money...last integrity issue, with Igloo and TB in trouble, last tryout should be interesting and crowded. However, all these new kids who will probably come were able to attend other teams tryouts, those that came to all the Bluefish workouts and put all their faith in a fair process could not, missed a lot of competing teams tryout dates to be at YOURS, now these parents and players have to worry that all their hard work during first two dates won't mean anything. So, we get an email blast Weds. telling that were waiting on this last influx before decisions are made, single tryout attended gets equal weight with all three? Hope not, no integrity in that, should be weighted. Also, boys have their opening football games the day before the last workout, maybe a bit banged up and a step slower that first two dates, not an even field for evaluation. Integrity Coach Teirney, Coach Powers...let's hope you stand for it, not with your backs to it.

Clearly you haven't seen them practice with orange and how their scrimmages go. And then I assume you didn't see how tight they played Express at the Winter Nationals. They have been a step above the other teams out there. The Express coach himself was surprised at how well they played them. Maybe they don't beat those teams but they will certainly play them tough and will be compettive games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Putting white in the same sentence as orange and express is not realistic. putting them in same sentence with outlaws and all grays is much fairer. Big drop off after that........

My son is not even on white and I would be them right behind orange and express.

Did you guys see Jamie Allen at the bluefish thing? He started and ran Express for a while no.

Right behind Orange and Express? Orange was toying with them and they lost to Express in a shortened small field game, would things go as well in a regulation game? Give me a break.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is 14 and he is cut up. Has never lifted any weights. Does pull ups on occasion and looks great. It's all from just being an athlete. Plays multiple sports. He doesn't need to lift to look good. I guess its all based upon the kids make-up but I still want them to wait on lifting. No need to rush it.

My son is the exact opposite at 14, not cut up, but beefy and strong. Still some baby fat. Very good swimmer but doing pull ups (not so much).

Did Cross fit and Speed and agility this summer for lax and football. Will try the weight room in a year or so; in the mean time run and do the cross fit training.

Who is coaching Bluefish 2019 A, B, C or 1,2,3? Did not hear anything g at tryout or see it posted anywhere.

Yes he was there what a great guy !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did you guys see Jamie Allen at the bluefish thing? He started and ran Express for a while no.

I think what people are trying to say is that after those two teams white is the next most competitive team on the island.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right behind Orange and Express? Orange was toying with them and they lost to Express in a shortened small field game, would things go as well in a regulation game? Give me a break.

Will Jamie Allen be coaching the A team?

the response about JA was in regard to a post saying they have not started and ran a club before (they being ST and GP).

Is white going to beat orange or express most likely not. Are they better then most of the other teams I would say yes. If they add just a few real good kids at the tryout then it should make them stronger. Hopefully they get a good turnout at tryouts this Sat and Sun and find a few diamonds in the rough and maybe not. Team is really not weak in any specific area but I'm sure they would like to add quality if they can . any organization would no matter how good they are

Diamonds in the rough? You mean possibly add one of the many you've invited down and given the hard sell to, trying to convince us that your program is necessary for my kid to get that D1 scholarship? Or was it the Bluefish or Empire that that was going to get my kid recruited? Guess whatever team is affiliated with 91 has the magic....Hurricanes, South Shore Ducks....wow, that's a lot of kids going D1. Keep those kids away from those other programs. It's all about that $, bout that $, bout that $.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is white going to beat orange or express most likely not. Are they better then most of the other teams I would say yes. If they add just a few real good kids at the tryout then it should make them stronger. Hopefully they get a good turnout at tryouts this Sat and Sun and find a few diamonds in the rough and maybe not. Team is really not weak in any specific area but I'm sure they would like to add quality if they can . any organization would no matter how good they are

I guess that means Tierny and Powers will have the time to coach then, 2019 I hope. I guess that also means with JA running the program he won't have time to coach....would love to see the personnel schematic for the program, would be interesting

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the response about JA was in regard to a post saying they have not started and ran a club before (they being ST and GP).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Diamonds in the rough? You mean possibly add one of the many you've invited down and given the hard sell to, trying to convince us that your program is necessary for my kid to get that D1 scholarship? Or was it the Bluefish or Empire that that was going to get my kid recruited? Guess whatever team is affiliated with 91 has the magic....Hurricanes, South Shore Ducks....wow, that's a lot of kids going D1. Keep those kids away from those other programs. It's all about that $, bout that $, bout that $.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is white going to beat orange or express most likely not. Are they better then most of the other teams I would say yes. If they add just a few real good kids at the tryout then it should make them stronger. Hopefully they get a good turnout at tryouts this Sat and Sun and find a few diamonds in the rough and maybe not. Team is really not weak in any specific area but I'm sure they would like to add quality if they can . any organization would no matter how good they are

If your goal is to play on one of the top teams then you go to 91 tryout and see where you stand. I think we all agree it's considered the top club right now. Express has fallen back a bit and the rest aren't as close . Nothing bad about the rest just the way it is now

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Diamonds in the rough? You mean possibly add one of the many you've invited down and given the hard sell to, trying to convince us that your program is necessary for my kid to get that D1 scholarship? Or was it the Bluefish or Empire that that was going to get my kid recruited? Guess whatever team is affiliated with 91 has the magic....Hurricanes, South Shore Ducks....wow, that's a lot of kids going D1. Keep those kids away from those other programs. It's all about that $, bout that $, bout that $.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is white going to beat orange or express most likely not. Are they better then most of the other teams I would say yes. If they add just a few real good kids at the tryout then it should make them stronger. Hopefully they get a good turnout at tryouts this Sat and Sun and find a few diamonds in the rough and maybe not. Team is really not weak in any specific area but I'm sure they would like to add quality if they can . any organization would no matter how good they are

If your goal is to play on one of the top teams then you go to 91 tryout and see where you stand. I think we all agree it's considered the top club right now. Express has fallen back a bit and the rest aren't as close . Nothing bad about the rest just the way it is now

Thanks for trying to speak for us "all", but I'd suggest that we don't "all agree, especially the players that step on the field each week to play against them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Diamonds in the rough? You mean possibly add one of the many you've invited down and given the hard sell to, trying to convince us that your program is necessary for my kid to get that D1 scholarship? Or was it the Bluefish or Empire that that was going to get my kid recruited? Guess whatever team is affiliated with 91 has the magic....Hurricanes, South Shore Ducks....wow, that's a lot of kids going D1. Keep those kids away from those other programs. It's all about that $, bout that $, bout that $.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is white going to beat orange or express most likely not. Are they better then most of the other teams I would say yes. If they add just a few real good kids at the tryout then it should make them stronger. Hopefully they get a good turnout at tryouts this Sat and Sun and find a few diamonds in the rough and maybe not. Team is really not weak in any specific area but I'm sure they would like to add quality if they can . any organization would no matter how good they are

If your goal is to play on one of the top teams then you go to 91 tryout and see where you stand. I think we all agree it's considered the top club right now. Express has fallen back a bit and the rest aren't as close . Nothing bad about the rest just the way it is now

Thanks for trying to speak for us "all", but I'd suggest that we don't "all agree, especially the players that step on the field each week to play against them.

I am so tired of this, you all are crazy. I know first hand that 91 gets most of their players by having parents go and recruit players from other teams. the kids that make the top teams have already had conversations with the coaches before the tryouts. the rest of the kids who show up pay for the tuition of their stud athletes they bring in. they consistently make phone calls to parents every night and the numbers come from these stupid parents that think if they give the coaches names and numbers of good players that their kid will then get the nod for one of those teams. I know 2 fathers personally who have been feeding the program names of other boys in hopes of having their boys make the team. we also heard that they give parents discounts off their tuition to go to other tryouts and talk to parents. A good program with a good reputation should not have to stoop to these levels. Its unfortunate for these parents that are essentially spies. they think Natasha the gorgeous Russian is really in love with them and then they find out they were used to get government secrets.

I truly am starting to HATE travel lacrosse. God forbid if these guys don't get every good player out there. On top of everything they offer major discounts or full scholarships to some of the boys they are looking to get to play with them.

And Yes I do kids who have gotten scholarships(not because they are financially strapped either)

Coaches are listed under team on bluefish website

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess that means Tierny and Powers will have the time to coach then, 2019 I hope. I guess that also means with JA running the program he won't have time to coach....would love to see the personnel schematic for the program, would be interesting

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the response about JA was in regard to a post saying they have not started and ran a club before (they being ST and GP).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Diamonds in the rough? You mean possibly add one of the many you've invited down and given the hard sell to, trying to convince us that your program is necessary for my kid to get that D1 scholarship? Or was it the Bluefish or Empire that that was going to get my kid recruited? Guess whatever team is affiliated with 91 has the magic....Hurricanes, South Shore Ducks....wow, that's a lot of kids going D1. Keep those kids away from those other programs. It's all about that $, bout that $, bout that $.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is white going to beat orange or express most likely not. Are they better then most of the other teams I would say yes. If they add just a few real good kids at the tryout then it should make them stronger. Hopefully they get a good turnout at tryouts this Sat and Sun and find a few diamonds in the rough and maybe not. Team is really not weak in any specific area but I'm sure they would like to add quality if they can . any organization would no matter how good they are

If you were a top player on White wouldnt you want them to recruit and ask your help to make the team better from players you know. They are trying to move forward by retaining their better players and recruit others to make the team better. What team wouldn't do that. What company wouldn't do that.

The better question to ask any team that you are considering should be what fall and summer tournaments will they be going to. At this stage of the game it is the exposure to college coaches that is paramount if your son would like to try and play in college.

lots of changes to LI 2019. who is still around and who isn't as A or better. It's not about who's best but who is around and going where.

Express - 2 LI teams

Where is everyone else going - buzz worthy
Outlaws
Revolution
Sting
Empire
Bluefish

Will they have a team
Team LI?
Legacy?
All Greys?
True Blue

All Greys are back, second tryout this weekend. Will be competitive as always

Where will all greys go this summer, will they take part time players

Dget suckered in by these people. You only have to go to one tournament to get your kid looked at. The rest is up to you. Depends on how far you want to take it. This is what I say, screw travel and go to any prospect camp that interest your son. It's much cheaper and he can pick which college he is interested in and be looked at by the college coach. Plus you get to see thr campus. I'm done paying big money

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dget suckered in by these people. You only have to go to one tournament to get your kid looked at. The rest is up to you. Depends on how far you want to take it. This is what I say, screw travel and go to any prospect camp that interest your son. It's much cheaper and he can pick which college he is interested in and be looked at by the college coach. Plus you get to see thr campus. I'm done paying big money

So no more travel for you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dget suckered in by these people. You only have to go to one tournament to get your kid looked at. The rest is up to you. Depends on how far you want to take it. This is what I say, screw travel and go to any prospect camp that interest your son. It's much cheaper and he can pick which college he is interested in and be looked at by the college coach. Plus you get to see thr campus. I'm done paying big money

Yep. you'll get recruited, just like that. One, two, three, lickity split. Congrats, you cracked the code on recruiting.

The whole point is to not dish out all this money for travel. If your kid is good he will get recruited. Travel is all bull****. Your kids play because they love the game. Maybe it will help yoyr kid get into a college but that's about it.

I wouldn't want to go to a team where they have kids parents doing the evalutions that's for sure. There's one out of Five I wouldn't go to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wouldn't want to go to a team where they have kids parents doing the evalutions that's for sure. There's one out of Five I wouldn't go to.

many of the 2019 teams have parents for evaluators and coaches. I dont get the 1 out of 5 comment. What team doesn't have a parent involved.

What qualifies the parents to be evaluators? Why not have all the coaches do the evaluations. Parents need to be parents and stop thinking they are coaches. If they are not on the sidelines during the season then they should not have any say unless they don't have faith in the coaches to make the decisions. Who needs parent coaches. Don't you think the kids are beyond that? Let the coaches coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What qualifies the parents to be evaluators? Why not have all the coaches do the evaluations. Parents need to be parents and stop thinking they are coaches. If they are not on the sidelines during the season then they should not have any say unless they don't have faith in the coaches to make the decisions. Who needs parent coaches. Don't you think the kids are beyond that? Let the coaches coach.

Or when you are a HS coach, coaching your 2019 kid on his travel team, and he is not too good, what to do? Put him on a 2020 team and reclass. This just happened! Nice message you are sending "coach"!

Parent need to keep their mouths shut, let the coaches coach and the players play. Our kids are not 8 yrs. old anymore. Enough is enough, let them play and sit there and keep your mouth shut. Parents are the worst.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What qualifies the parents to be evaluators? Why not have all the coaches do the evaluations. Parents need to be parents and stop thinking they are coaches. If they are not on the sidelines during the season then they should not have any say unless they don't have faith in the coaches to make the decisions. Who needs parent coaches. Don't you think the kids are beyond that? Let the coaches coach.

Or when you are a HS coach, coaching your 2019 kid on his travel team, and he is not too good, what to do? Put him on a 2020 team and reclass. This just happened! Nice message you are sending "coach"!

Come on how does this slip through and others get censored. really

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parent need to keep their mouths shut, let the coaches coach and the players play. Our kids are not 8 yrs. old anymore. Enough is enough, let them play and sit there and keep your mouth shut. Parents are the worst.

I don't agree with the post (calling out particular people) going through but Parents do not need to keep their mouths shut. Actually they should speak up more. They are the clients; the ones in charge.

The coaches/organizations need to be reminded they are being paid for a service, if the expected service isnt given, the parents, the ones who are shelling out the money have the right to speak up and have a say. (within limits of course).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What qualifies the parents to be evaluators? Why not have all the coaches do the evaluations. Parents need to be parents and stop thinking they are coaches. If they are not on the sidelines during the season then they should not have any say unless they don't have faith in the coaches to make the decisions. Who needs parent coaches. Don't you think the kids are beyond that? Let the coaches coach.

Or when you are a HS coach, coaching your 2019 kid on his travel team, and he is not too good, what to do? Put him on a 2020 team and reclass. This just happened! Nice message you are sending "coach"!

Come on how does this slip through and others get censored. really

What would you like us to censor?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parent need to keep their mouths shut, let the coaches coach and the players play. Our kids are not 8 yrs. old anymore. Enough is enough, let them play and sit there and keep your mouth shut. Parents are the worst.

I don't agree with the post (calling out particular people) going through but Parents do not need to keep their mouths shut. Actually they should speak up more. They are the clients; the ones in charge.

The coaches/organizations need to be reminded they are being paid for a service, if the expected service isnt given, the parents, the ones who are shelling out the money have the right to speak up and have a say. (within limits of course).

If adults want to call each other out, we are good with it, you are grown ups.... Handle it. Just leave the kids out of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What qualifies the parents to be evaluators? Why not have all the coaches do the evaluations. Parents need to be parents and stop thinking they are coaches. If they are not on the sidelines during the season then they should not have any say unless they don't have faith in the coaches to make the decisions. Who needs parent coaches. Don't you think the kids are beyond that? Let the coaches coach.

Or when you are a HS coach, coaching your 2019 kid on his travel team, and he is not too good, what to do? Put him on a 2020 team and reclass. This just happened! Nice message you are sending "coach"!

Come on how does this slip through and others get censored. really

Or when you are a HS coach, coaching your 2019 kid on his travel team, and he is not too good,

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parent need to keep their mouths shut, let the coaches coach and the players play. Our kids are not 8 yrs. old anymore. Enough is enough, let them play and sit there and keep your mouth shut. Parents are the worst.

I don't agree with the post (calling out particular people) going through but Parents do not need to keep their mouths shut. Actually they should speak up more. They are the clients; the ones in charge.

The coaches/organizations need to be reminded they are being paid for a service, if the expected service isnt given, the parents, the ones who are shelling out the money have the right to speak up and have a say. (within limits of course).

If adults want to call each other out, we are good with it, you are grown ups.... Handle it. Just leave the kids out of it.

I am okay with calling the adult out. But I don't believe the kids were left out of the post... called them "not good" then proceeded to accuse of reclassing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parent need to keep their mouths shut, let the coaches coach and the players play. Our kids are not 8 yrs. old anymore. Enough is enough, let them play and sit there and keep your mouth shut. Parents are the worst.

I don't agree with the post (calling out particular people) going through but Parents do not need to keep their mouths shut. Actually they should speak up more. They are the clients; the ones in charge.

The coaches/organizations need to be reminded they are being paid for a service, if the expected service isnt given, the parents, the ones who are shelling out the money have the right to speak up and have a say. (within limits of course).

If adults want to call each other out, we are good with it, you are grown ups.... Handle it. Just leave the kids out of it.

I am okay with calling the adult out. But I don't believe the kids were left out of the post... called them "not good" then proceeded to accuse of reclassing.

There were no names mentioned.

I also believe it's just a money grab we are paying for the college tuition of those who coach our kids.

Well, what is he actually doing, "reclassifying" or playing down which is cheating!!

Give me a break, the only time people ever have a problem with a program is when Their littlejohnie doesn't make the team.the best part is that their son doesnt make any top team and he starts calling foul on all clubs. when he does make the team and other kids are cut it is ok because they say my son was the best player out there, u never hear them complaining about other kids not making it

I just wish parents were more realistic with their sons ability. Here is alittle insider info for you crazy parents. You should all know that programs take into consideration the parents when there are a few kids who are equal in skill. Every program is getting rid of these extreme lax parents who cause nothing but headaches on the sidelines. Pain in the [lacrosse] parents will go to several programs and always complain And they wonder why they have been cut on not one or two but 3 teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Give me a break, the only time people ever have a problem with a program is when Their littlejohnie doesn't make the team.the best part is that their son doesnt make any top team and he starts calling foul on all clubs. when he does make the team and other kids are cut it is ok because they say my son was the best player out there, u never hear them complaining about other kids not making it

I just wish parents were more realistic with their sons ability. Here is alittle insider info for you crazy parents. You should all know that programs take into consideration the parents when there are a few kids who are equal in skill. Every program is getting rid of these extreme lax parents who cause nothing but headaches on the sidelines. Pain in the [lacrosse] parents will go to several programs and always complain And they wonder why they have been cut on not one or two but 3 teams

We are on a 2019 thread right. You sound like you're new to this or speaking about 6th grade lax. I know of a group that took control of their sons' situations and up and left and all of their kids were starters 9/10 kids gone.

My son plays for the coach you are attacking and at times the same position as his son. Because the world is not perfect I was not always 100% pleased at some of the decisions the coaches made but my boy played where he was told to, to the best of his ability and his efforts were appreciated. This coach set a good example for his team on and off the field and I am glad my son had the privilege of becoming friends with his son because that boy is a great kid in every sense of the word! Insulting the coach anonymously is bad enough but dragging a kids feelings through the mud on an open forum is the act of a twisted coward. My son has been disparaged on this site before and I ignored it but I could not keep my mouth shut on this one...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for the coach you are attacking and at times the same position as his son. Because the world is not perfect I was not always 100% pleased at some of the decisions the coaches made but my boy played where he was told to, to the best of his ability and his efforts were appreciated. This coach set a good example for his team on and off the field and I am glad my son had the privilege of becoming friends with his son because that boy is a great kid in every sense of the word! Insulting the coach anonymously is bad enough but dragging a kids feelings through the mud on an open forum is the act of a twisted coward. My son has been disparaged on this site before and I ignored it but I could not keep my mouth shut on this one...

I don't believe anyone was singled out, however if any coach reclasses his son because of his abilities, I see that as wrong and cheating, not bring a role model model for the sport. I bet a lot of others would too. Anything for that scholarship?

Are we allowed to ask which coach you are talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for the coach you are attacking and at times the same position as his son. Because the world is not perfect I was not always 100% pleased at some of the decisions the coaches made but my boy played where he was told to, to the best of his ability and his efforts were appreciated. This coach set a good example for his team on and off the field and I am glad my son had the privilege of becoming friends with his son because that boy is a great kid in every sense of the word! Insulting the coach anonymously is bad enough but dragging a kids feelings through the mud on an open forum is the act of a twisted coward. My son has been disparaged on this site before and I ignored it but I could not keep my mouth shut on this one...

I don't believe anyone was singled out, however if any coach reclasses his son because of his abilities, I see that as wrong and cheating, not bring a role model model for the sport. I bet a lot of others would too. Anything for that scholarship?

I

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are we allowed to ask which coach you are talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for the coach you are attacking and at times the same position as his son. Because the world is not perfect I was not always 100% pleased at some of the decisions the coaches made but my boy played where he was told to, to the best of his ability and his efforts were appreciated. This coach set a good example for his team on and off the field and I am glad my son had the privilege of becoming friends with his son because that boy is a great kid in every sense of the word! Insulting the coach anonymously is bad enough but dragging a kids feelings through the mud on an open forum is the act of a twisted coward. My son has been disparaged on this site before and I ignored it but I could not keep my mouth shut on this one...

I don't believe anyone was singled out, however if any coach reclasses his son because of his abilities, I see that as wrong and cheating, not bring a role model model for the sport. I bet a lot of others would too. Anything for that scholarship?

Do not name the coach as you have all brought in the son. How would you feel if it were your son?

Couldn't agree with you more when you say keep the kids out of it. The real problem for the most part comes down to the parents. If we let our kids just play and enjoy watching them then we should be happy. Parents think they run the organization and feel like they need to give their evaluations is nonsense. They mislead the parents when they do stuff like that. Parents think the coach is the one making decisions but in reality the parent who thinks he's a big part of the team makes decision. I bet if parents knew that was the case they would not choose that team. I know I wouldn't. I don't need a parent deciding my kids future with a team especially if the parent has something against your kid for whatever reason or his son doesn't like your son. There's a little bit of a conflict don't you think. Keep the parents out of it. If an organization can't do the evaluations on their own then they should not have a team. Get all the coaches from all the teams in the organization to do the evaluations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Couldn't agree with you more when you say keep the kids out of it. The real problem for the most part comes down to the parents. If we let our kids just play and enjoy watching them then we should be happy. Parents think they run the organization and feel like they need to give their evaluations is nonsense. They mislead the parents when they do stuff like that. Parents think the coach is the one making decisions but in reality the parent who thinks he's a big part of the team makes decision. I bet if parents knew that was the case they would not choose that team. I know I wouldn't. I don't need a parent deciding my kids future with a team especially if the parent has something against your kid for whatever reason or his son doesn't like your son. There's a little bit of a conflict don't you think. Keep the parents out of it. If an organization can't do the evaluations on their own then they should not have a team. Get all the coaches from all the teams in the organization to do the evaluations.

These points can be brought about by almost every team out there. nothing is perfect but it is not a conspiracy. if you don't like what you see then go somewhere else. I am tired of ppl using the selection process as the problem, it has been around since the very first youth travel team and will continue to be the same in the future. if you like start your own team and oh wait- then you will become one of those programs also. it is a no win situation. [lacrosse] all you want but this is the lay of the land and it will not change. remember there are teams that pick kids because they are going to catholic school or they are attending a certain public high school or because the father has coached and helped the program since his son was in 3rd grade. Talk to your town program and play with them, but then you still hear the same B.S from parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Couldn't agree with you more when you say keep the kids out of it. The real problem for the most part comes down to the parents. If we let our kids just play and enjoy watching them then we should be happy. Parents think they run the organization and feel like they need to give their evaluations is nonsense. They mislead the parents when they do stuff like that. Parents think the coach is the one making decisions but in reality the parent who thinks he's a big part of the team makes decision. I bet if parents knew that was the case they would not choose that team. I know I wouldn't. I don't need a parent deciding my kids future with a team especially if the parent has something against your kid for whatever reason or his son doesn't like your son. There's a little bit of a conflict don't you think. Keep the parents out of it. If an organization can't do the evaluations on their own then they should not have a team. Get all the coaches from all the teams in the organization to do the evaluations.

What are you talking about? No parent that isn't a coach or owner has that kind of "pull". I wished parents could stay out of it also, but unfortunately with these lofty prices I see it an impossibility. Please clarify are talking about a parent actually having "pull" or voicing their concerns. At times I am glad the parents speak up, do your expect people to stay quiet when they pay upwards of 2k when they do not like what is happening. Why wouldnt parents speak up.

What team are you talking about that a parent had "behind the scenes" control. Manipulating the parents. (That is how I understood your post... Is that how you meant it). I'd bet if you thought that way another parent would completely disagree. Do you know this for fact or just conjecture. Every story has more than two sides.

When are you going to give it up, despite your accusations we did pretty well last summer without your son who I will admit was a good player. Did you ever think that the reason he didn't make team was because of a disruptive parent? Orange has parent coaches and how has that worked out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Couldn't agree with you more when you say keep the kids out of it. The real problem for the most part comes down to the parents. If we let our kids just play and enjoy watching them then we should be happy. Parents think they run the organization and feel like they need to give their evaluations is nonsense. They mislead the parents when they do stuff like that. Parents think the coach is the one making decisions but in reality the parent who thinks he's a big part of the team makes decision. I bet if parents knew that was the case they would not choose that team. I know I wouldn't. I don't need a parent deciding my kids future with a team especially if the parent has something against your kid for whatever reason or his son doesn't like your son. There's a little bit of a conflict don't you think. Keep the parents out of it. If an organization can't do the evaluations on their own then they should not have a team. Get all the coaches from all the teams in the organization to do the evaluations.

What are you talking about? No parent that isn't a coach or owner has that kind of "pull". I wished parents could stay out of it also, but unfortunately with these lofty prices I see it an impossibility. Please clarify are talking about a parent actually having "pull" or voicing their concerns. At times I am glad the parents speak up, do your expect people to stay quiet when they pay upwards of 2k when they do not like what is happening. Why wouldnt parents speak up.

What team are you talking about that a parent had "behind the scenes" control. Manipulating the parents. (That is how I understood your post... Is that how you meant it). I'd bet if you thought that way another parent would completely disagree. Do you know this for fact or just conjecture. Every story has more than two sides.

The puppet master doesn't just control a team, they control the government. I think they orchestrated the fake moon landing to.

Don't forget the JFK shooting. It was the lax dad in the depository

I would recommend that ALL parents pay attention to what's going on with your sons team. The directors are all about winning and politics. If you snooze you may lose so if there is something that doesn't seem kosher...talk to the coach and director. Don't wait for your kid to get cut or ride the bench.
The power is in the consumers pocket and not these clubs inflated egos. Pay attention and stay involved.

It is fact. Don't want to mention the team cause that's not me as a person. Made it out to be something good then it turns out to be something different. Walks around like he owns the organization. If I would have known that I would not have been on that team. That was something I wanted to get awsy from. But it's the truth. I was blind to it until I had a talk with him personally. Stuff like this is not what I'm trying to build here. What would you take from that comment?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is fact. Don't want to mention the team cause that's not me as a person. Made it out to be something good then it turns out to be something different. Walks around like he owns the organization. If I would have known that I would not have been on that team. That was something I wanted to get awsy from. But it's the truth. I was blind to it until I had a talk with him personally. Stuff like this is not what I'm trying to build here. What would you take from that comment?

Well atleast you know now and will not have to go Back. Did u find another team for your son

Sounds like that stuff being referred to is something that the organization doesn't want a part of or to be a part of. What's the take on that?

First you try to disparage the parent by saying they think they run the organization, then you say he made all the decisions. Which is it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Couldn't agree with you more when you say keep the kids out of it. The real problem for the most part comes down to the parents. If we let our kids just play and enjoy watching them then we should be happy. Parents think they run the organization and feel like they need to give their evaluations is nonsense. They mislead the parents when they do stuff like that. Parents think the coach is the one making decisions but in reality the parent who thinks he's a big part of the team makes decision. I bet if parents knew that was the case they would not choose that team. I know I wouldn't. I don't need a parent deciding my kids future with a team especially if the parent has something against your kid for whatever reason or his son doesn't like your son. There's a little bit of a conflict don't you think. Keep the parents out of it. If an organization can't do the evaluations on their own then they should not have a team. Get all the coaches from all the teams in the organization to do the evaluations.

Does this really apply to multiple teams... sure sounds like it. Not entirely sure how to take that comment. Put down the Ginny granade wide mouth and go to bed, sleep it off.

Not for nothing sometimes the wrong player gets cut and the wrong player is kept its an imperfect process and mistakes are made, but teams try to do their best because they won't last otherwise. The sad thing is my son played for a team that tried to do the right thing by keeping the kids together, unfortunately some parents felt that their players were being held back and left the program. Cest le vie

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Give me a break, the only time people ever have a problem with a program is when Their littlejohnie doesn't make the team.the best part is that their son doesnt make any top team and he starts calling foul on all clubs. when he does make the team and other kids are cut it is ok because they say my son was the best player out there, u never hear them complaining about other kids not making it

I just wish parents were more realistic with their sons ability. Here is alittle insider info for you crazy parents. You should all know that programs take into consideration the parents when there are a few kids who are equal in skill. Every program is getting rid of these extreme lax parents who cause nothing but headaches on the sidelines. Pain in the [lacrosse] parents will go to several programs and always complain And they wonder why they have been cut on not one or two but 3 teams

When a coach and director reclass his kid wow what does that say ?!?!?!?!

Was he held back or just playing down?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was he held back or just playing down?

What program is everyone talking about?

So how was the turnout at legacy tryouts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how was the turnout at legacy tryouts

saw many legacy helmets at outlaws tryouts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how was the turnout at legacy tryouts

Many went to Outlaws, 2019 will be very strong for them this year!

If many did, they were from Smithtown. Very good town team, not so as a travel squad. Have at it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how was the turnout at legacy tryouts

Many went to Outlaws, 2019 will be very strong for them this year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If many did, they were from Smithtown. Very good town team, not so as a travel squad. Have at it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how was the turnout at legacy tryouts

Many went to Outlaws, 2019 will be very strong for them this year!

Legacy lost many players from last year, I'd say close to 15 if not more. Not sure why that wasn't promoted with so many spots available

I think that it is hard for a high profile lax dad when his son is not a stand out player. But holding him back could actually backfire if he still does not stand out. Sad for all involved that it would come to this. What are we doing to these boys? Madness needs to stop. There is far more to their worth than what happens on the lacrosse field!
Tree

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If many did, they were from Smithtown. Very good town team, not so as a travel squad. Have at it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how was the turnout at legacy tryouts

Many went to Outlaws, 2019 will be very strong for them this year!

Legacy lost many players from last year, I'd say close to 15 if not more. Not sure why that wasn't promoted with so many spots available

Looks like Legacy will have one 2019 team made up of kids from A that stayed, the best ones returning from the B team, and filled in with a few new ones. Weren't many kids there but definitely some skill. I think it's a good opportunity to play on the top team with excellent coaches, even if it's not the so-called AA! Parents are out of their minds with all the AA, A, B stuff anyway. It's about the coaches and how your son fits in. We'll see how it goes tomorrow. Hope my son makes the team as one of the newcomers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think that it is hard for a high profile lax dad when his son is not a stand out player. But holding him back could actually backfire if he still does not stand out. Sad for all involved that it would come to this. What are we doing to these boys? Madness needs to stop. There is far more to their worth than what happens on the lacrosse field!
Tree

What program?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When a coach and director reclass his kid wow what does that say ?!?!?!?!

What does that say? Well, maybe if you were listening to the college coaching staffs at many of the recruiting camps this summer; Jake Reed, Blue Chip, Elite 180, Maverick, Texas 99, etc. Many of them told us that they recommended "reclassiying kids". This is because most of the the other states have been doing this for years. Our kids are at a disadvantage. Maybe you should attend some of these showcases and you would get this info firsthand. I personally heard this and debated the entire summer. It's wasn't the right choice for us, we have other things going on. This parent/coach is not the only one doing it. I think I've heard at least 5-7 parents have done it this year. It must feel good singling out this guy (parent-coach). I think there are a few disgruntled parents from his old team leading the way on this one. I hear them on my sideline bad mouthing him. He is a good guy, my son has trained with him before. He son is a great kid. Shame on you guys for allowing and continuing to ask questions about SPECIFIC families.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If many did, they were from Smithtown. Very good town team, not so as a travel squad. Have at it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how was the turnout at legacy tryouts

Many went to Outlaws, 2019 will be very strong for them this year!

Legacy lost many players from last year, I'd say close to 15 if not more. Not sure why that wasn't promoted with so many spots available

Looks like Legacy will have one 2019 team made up of kids from A that stayed, the best ones returning from the B team, and filled in with a few new ones. Weren't many kids there but definitely some skill. I think it's a good opportunity to play on the top team with excellent coaches, even if it's not the so-called AA! Parents are out of their minds with all the AA, A, B stuff anyway. It's about the coaches and how your son fits in. We'll see how it goes tomorrow. Hope my son makes the team as one of the newcomers.

Should be an amazing opportunity, makes you think they engineerd this some how. Turn over players and coaches. Get fresh blood. Start new and rebuild.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When a coach and director reclass his kid wow what does that say ?!?!?!?!

What does that say? Well, maybe if you were listening to the college coaching staffs at many of the recruiting camps this summer; Jake Reed, Blue Chip, Elite 180, Maverick, Texas 99, etc. Many of them told us that they recommended "reclassiying kids". This is because most of the the other states have been doing this for years. Our kids are at a disadvantage. Maybe you should attend some of these showcases and you would get this info firsthand. I personally heard this and debated the entire summer. It's wasn't the right choice for us, we have other things going on. This parent/coach is not the only one doing it. I think I've heard at least 5-7 parents have done it this year. It must feel good singling out this guy (parent-coach). I think there are a few disgruntled parents from his old team leading the way on this one. I hear them on my sideline bad mouthing him. He is a good guy, my son has trained with him before. He son is a great kid. Shame on you guys for allowing and continuing to ask questions about SPECIFIC families.

It says you don't believe in your kid. It says you look for a way to cheat to make your kid look better. It says you are a believer in smoke and mirrors. It says that you teach your kid to be a follower and not a leader, if everyone else is doing it, I guess I will to. Even though I know I'm gaining an unfair advantage. Teach your kid to be a man, do their best and work hard, don't take the easy way out. not everyone is destined to be a star on the lacrosse field. And that's ok. Sad that many of these reclass families will need to learn this the hard way!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When a coach and director reclass his kid wow what does that say ?!?!?!?!

What does that say? Well, maybe if you were listening to the college coaching staffs at many of the recruiting camps this summer; Jake Reed, Blue Chip, Elite 180, Maverick, Texas 99, etc. Many of them told us that they recommended "reclassiying kids". This is because most of the the other states have been doing this for years. Our kids are at a disadvantage. Maybe you should attend some of these showcases and you would get this info firsthand. I personally heard this and debated the entire summer. It's wasn't the right choice for us, we have other things going on. This parent/coach is not the only one doing it. I think I've heard at least 5-7 parents have done it this year. It must feel good singling out this guy (parent-coach). I think there are a few disgruntled parents from his old team leading the way on this one. I hear them on my sideline bad mouthing him. He is a good guy, my son has trained with him before. He son is a great kid. Shame on you guys for allowing and continuing to ask questions about SPECIFIC families.

I was told this when asked to hold my son back this year.
The holdback rule should be for
A kid who has not hit puberty
that 5 star player who's folks maybe big - mom 5'8" + dad 6'+ and you have not hit puberty
birthday is fall of your appropriate school year maybe summer.
Should be for showcase and individual events only not team play - team play you play up to be challenged. A true D1 kid should be able to handle themselves playing up even playing up a year a year ahead of their appropriate level. (Yes that is the test of a true blue chip).

Then I was told your kid doesn't fit many of this criteria but is a good candidate anyway.

Guess what, they are making up the rules as they go along.

I heard very well what they said at recruiting tournaments you were not the only person there !! They don't care about YOU or YOUR KID .as a parent your job is to do what's best for your kid !!! The benefits of holding your kid back is to be bigger and stronger and a little more mature so hopefully a college will pick them up. So what you are really telling your kid is ... Honey your not as good as others so let's cheat, hold you back a year so you will be bigger and hopefully better than the younger kids. Am I wrong ??? I just hope these kids being held back aren't being forced because of daddy's dream I know I wouldn't want to have to stay in school a extra year !

That definitely does not say he doesn't believe in his kid. He may be giving his kid more opportunities. HIs kid is not big, has not gone through puberty for sure. Did you ever think that it may not be a lacrosse thing? Do you know how his kid did in school? To me the kid is a nice, polite kid. How does anyone know what is going on in that home? There may be more to the smoke and mirrors theory. Maybe the kid wants to be a star in the classroom and the field just comes along with it. It's funny how your theory has an "anonymous" name attached to your negativity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When a coach and director reclass his kid wow what does that say ?!?!?!?!

What does that say? Well, maybe if you were listening to the college coaching staffs at many of the recruiting camps this summer; Jake Reed, Blue Chip, Elite 180, Maverick, Texas 99, etc. Many of them told us that they recommended "reclassiying kids". This is because most of the the other states have been doing this for years. Our kids are at a disadvantage. Maybe you should attend some of these showcases and you would get this info firsthand. I personally heard this and debated the entire summer. It's wasn't the right choice for us, we have other things going on. This parent/coach is not the only one doing it. I think I've heard at least 5-7 parents have done it this year. It must feel good singling out this guy (parent-coach). I think there are a few disgruntled parents from his old team leading the way on this one. I hear them on my sideline bad mouthing him. He is a good guy, my son has trained with him before. He son is a great kid. Shame on you guys for allowing and continuing to ask questions about SPECIFIC families.

It says you don't believe in your kid. It says you look for a way to cheat to make your kid look better. It says you are a believer in smoke and mirrors. It says that you teach your kid to be a follower and not a leader, if everyone else is doing it, I guess I will to. Even though I know I'm gaining an unfair advantage. Teach your kid to be a man, do their best and work hard, don't take the easy way out. not everyone is destined to be a star on the lacrosse field. And that's ok. Sad that many of these reclass families will need to learn this the hard way!

Maybe you should not talk behind the back of others, maybe you should not blame the coach for your child's poor performance, maybe you should not go to various tryouts and speak about a coach who is highly respected even though they are from programs and have friendships outside of lacrosse. Those new coaches keep that in their back pocket. They know your number. So, the same goes for you. Be careful what you attack others for when you my friend are not the epitome of a good parent/LIFE coach of your own son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When a coach and director reclass his kid wow what does that say ?!?!?!?!

What does that say? Well, maybe if you were listening to the college coaching staffs at many of the recruiting camps this summer; Jake Reed, Blue Chip, Elite 180, Maverick, Texas 99, etc. Many of them told us that they recommended "reclassiying kids". This is because most of the the other states have been doing this for years. Our kids are at a disadvantage. Maybe you should attend some of these showcases and you would get this info firsthand. I personally heard this and debated the entire summer. It's wasn't the right choice for us, we have other things going on. This parent/coach is not the only one doing it. I think I've heard at least 5-7 parents have done it this year. It must feel good singling out this guy (parent-coach). I think there are a few disgruntled parents from his old team leading the way on this one. I hear them on my sideline bad mouthing him. He is a good guy, my son has trained with him before. He son is a great kid. Shame on you guys for allowing and continuing to ask questions about SPECIFIC families.

It says you don't believe in your kid. It says you look for a way to cheat to make your kid look better. It says you are a believer in smoke and mirrors. It says that you teach your kid to be a follower and not a leader, if everyone else is doing it, I guess I will to. Even though I know I'm gaining an unfair advantage. Teach your kid to be a man, do their best and work hard, don't take the easy way out. not everyone is destined to be a star on the lacrosse field. And that's ok. Sad that many of these reclass families will need to learn this the hard way!

Kids do not get "left back" for academic reasons. That is a laughable excuse for promoting an athletic holdback! Bottom line is that the advocates for the growth of the game of lacrosse should not be promoting the holding back of kids. It is just wrong. It is elitist, as not everyone is not in the position to do it. Make all the excuses you want, but this has never been about an individual kid, most of them are great people! It is about the parents, putting their children into unnatural situations, which put unnecessary pressure on them. Let them be, they will wind up where they belong. Instead of a holdback on a team, where he is not even good enough to start, where all the parents are talking. I would never do that to my kid, but I guess to each their own!

I agree that nobody knows what their personal situation is and the coach, his kid, and entire family are wonderful people and shame on those who are doing the bashing !!! Just for the record the kid is small BUT he is still a damn good ball player !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that nobody knows what their personal situation is and the coach, his kid, and entire family are wonderful people and shame on those who are doing the bashing !!! Just for the record the kid is small BUT he is still a damn good ball player !!

There are plenty of small players out there that do just fine, not a reason to holdback. What are you teaching your son? Keep making excuses, they will run out eventually! Instead, try nurturing his good qualities. They may not be lacrosse! You hurt your kids when you try to live your life through them via manipulation.

Holdbacks are always DUMB:
If it is for academics, kid is dumb.
If it is for athletics, patents are dumb and have misplaced the role if athletics.
Financially it is dumb, put your 15 k tuition in a 529 in 8 th grade and you get more than your lax scholarship.
College coaches would love ALL their recruits to do it- they are FIRED if they do not win - period.
Private schools also LOVE this as greatest fundraiser of all time.
How'd you like to sit in the same classes again for no reason at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids do not get "left back" for academic reasons. That is a laughable excuse for promoting an athletic holdback! Bottom line is that the advocates for the growth of the game of lacrosse should not be promoting the holding back of kids. It is just wrong. It is elitist, as not everyone is not in the position to do it. Make all the excuses you want, but this has never been about an individual kid, most of them are great people! It is about the parents, putting their children into unnatural situations, which put unnecessary pressure on them. Let them be, they will wind up where they belong. Instead of a holdback on a team, where he is not even good enough to start, where all the parents are talking. I would never do that to my kid, but I guess to each their own!

Yes, they are talking because they are not happy that someone just took their kids spot on the 2020 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids do not get "left back" for academic reasons. That is a laughable excuse for promoting an athletic holdback! Bottom line is that the advocates for the growth of the game of lacrosse should not be promoting the holding back of kids. It is just wrong. It is elitist, as not everyone is not in the position to do it. Make all the excuses you want, but this has never been about an individual kid, most of them are great people! It is about the parents, putting their children into unnatural situations, which put unnecessary pressure on them. Let them be, they will wind up where they belong. Instead of a holdback on a team, where he is not even good enough to start, where all the parents are talking. I would never do that to my kid, but I guess to each their own!

Yes, they are talking because they are not happy that someone just took their kids spot on the 2020 team.

Haha, that's funny. Someone is going to be very disappointed!

Went to 91 tryouts this weekend. My son I thought played well but was placed on the back fields for two days. Watched the kids playing on the front field and I realized how good the talent they had there. the kids played at another level. Just trying to figure out if the Stampede would be an option or is that team all political like many others. I saw them play in a few tournaments and it looked like they could use some help to improve and compete or if they would be content with the same kids. any insight is appreciated. Don't even know if my son will be offered a spot yet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Went to 91 tryouts this weekend. My son I thought played well but was placed on the back fields for two days. Watched the kids playing on the front field and I realized how good the talent they had there. the kids played at another level. Just trying to figure out if the Stampede would be an option or is that team all political like many others. I saw them play in a few tournaments and it looked like they could use some help to improve and compete or if they would be content with the same kids. any insight is appreciated. Don't even know if my son will be offered a spot yet

Stay away from stampede! Friend of mine left the program we were with for stampede last year and it was a disaster and he came back. 3rd team is never a good experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Went to 91 tryouts this weekend. My son I thought played well but was placed on the back fields for two days. Watched the kids playing on the front field and I realized how good the talent they had there. the kids played at another level. Just trying to figure out if the Stampede would be an option or is that team all political like many others. I saw them play in a few tournaments and it looked like they could use some help to improve and compete or if they would be content with the same kids. any insight is appreciated. Don't even know if my son will be offered a spot yet

Stay away from stampede! Friend of mine left the program we were with for stampede last year and it was a disaster and he came back. 3rd team is never a good experience.

The stampede team happened to be very good at 2019 (the black team), last year they played up in A and did well in a few tournaments but not all. They are a B+ team. They also happened to have had a gold team at 2019 because they didn't want to cut any kids.. That team looked like a disaster, the parents thought their kids were better than they were. I think 91 realized its not worth trying to have 4 teams and are only having 3 this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Went to 91 tryouts this weekend. My son I thought played well but was placed on the back fields for two days. Watched the kids playing on the front field and I realized how good the talent they had there. the kids played at another level. Just trying to figure out if the Stampede would be an option or is that team all political like many others. I saw them play in a few tournaments and it looked like they could use some help to improve and compete or if they would be content with the same kids. any insight is appreciated. Don't even know if my son will be offered a spot yet

Stay away from stampede! Friend of mine left the program we were with for stampede last year and it was a disaster and he came back. 3rd team is never a good experience.

The stampede team happened to be very good at 2019 (the black team), last year they played up in A and did well in a few tournaments but not all. They are a B+ team. They also happened to have had a gold team at 2019 because they didn't want to cut any kids.. That team looked like a disaster, the parents thought their kids were better than they were. I think 91 realized its not worth trying to have 4 teams and are only having 3 this year.

Who are the coaches for stampede?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Went to 91 tryouts this weekend. My son I thought played well but was placed on the back fields for two days. Watched the kids playing on the front field and I realized how good the talent they had there. the kids played at another level. Just trying to figure out if the Stampede would be an option or is that team all political like many others. I saw them play in a few tournaments and it looked like they could use some help to improve and compete or if they would be content with the same kids. any insight is appreciated. Don't even know if my son will be offered a spot yet

Stay away from stampede! Friend of mine left the program we were with for stampede last year and it was a disaster and he came back. 3rd team is never a good experience.

The stampede team happened to be very good at 2019 (the black team), last year they played up in A and did well in a few tournaments but not all. They are a B+ team. They also happened to have had a gold team at 2019 because they didn't want to cut any kids.. That team looked like a disaster, the parents thought their kids were better than they were. I think 91 realized its not worth trying to have 4 teams and are only having 3 this year.

Who are the coaches for stampede?

I think the coaches are listed on the website, my kids 2021 team is coached by college players (NYIT and Adelphi) and pretty sure most of the teams except for 2018 are coached by NYIT college players.

Did the Stampede team win any tournaments at all last year?. Just trying to figure out if it's worth it for my son to go there if he is asked . If they are a B team or an A team?

lets all be honest, they were put in A tournaments to promote that they have A teams. They didn't do well in most tournaments and took beating at several of them. I don't know why parents would subject themselves to this so the program can sell parents on this being an A team. I know most of their games were not close and it is a shame that they had to go into tournaments and be embarrassed. there is nothing wrong with putting them in solid B tournaments and have the kids play competitive games. I guess when you run a business perception is everything and reality is nothing.

How many turned out for 2019/2018 Legacy tryouts, anyone there ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets all be honest, they were put in A tournaments to promote that they have A teams. They didn't do well in most tournaments and took beating at several of them. I don't know why parents would subject themselves to this so the program can sell parents on this being an A team. I know most of their games were not close and it is a shame that they had to go into tournaments and be embarrassed. there is nothing wrong with putting them in solid B tournaments and have the kids play competitive games. I guess when you run a business perception is everything and reality is nothing.

I think if the Stampede add some kids from the tryouts the last few days .They have a chance to be a little more competitive in B tournaments. But you would have to take the A kids that they cut from yesterday's tryouts and ask them to get to play . Need to change at least 6 kids off the team based on last years playing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets all be honest, they were put in A tournaments to promote that they have A teams. They didn't do well in most tournaments and took beating at several of them. I don't know why parents would subject themselves to this so the program can sell parents on this being an A team. I know most of their games were not close and it is a shame that they had to go into tournaments and be embarrassed. there is nothing wrong with putting them in solid B tournaments and have the kids play competitive games. I guess when you run a business perception is everything and reality is nothing.

I think if the Stampede add some kids from the tryouts the last few days .They have a chance to be a little more competitive in B tournaments. But you would have to take the A kids that they cut from yesterday's tryouts and ask them to get to play . Need to change at least 6 kids off the team based on last years playing

The year before they won all their B tournaments, hence why they decided to move up to A.. Yes, they got beat up by a lot of A teams, but what does that say for the "other" A teams that this team beat??? I know, I know Lehigh Lax fest was not strong A teams, but it ended up being 91 white vs. 91 stampede, which means all the other A teams got beat.

I have a feeling this team will add some more players this year and be more competitive in A (but will never beat 91 white or orange).

Not many around 30 is what I heard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many turned out for 2019/2018 Legacy tryouts, anyone there ?

Not good enough to start, huh? I wouldn't be too sure of that. Still hating on the kid? I hope you feel good about yourself every time you put in your 2 cents. He will be a great help to the team. My son really likes him and is happy that he's going to be a part of the team. I think the boys have welcomed him and the families will, too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids do not get "left back" for academic reasons. That is a laughable excuse for promoting an athletic holdback! Bottom line is that the advocates for the growth of the game of lacrosse should not be promoting the holding back of kids. It is just wrong. It is elitist, as not everyone is not in the position to do it. Make all the excuses you want, but this has never been about an individual kid, most of them are great people! It is about the parents, putting their children into unnatural situations, which put unnecessary pressure on them. Let them be, they will wind up where they belong. Instead of a holdback on a team, where he is not even good enough to start, where all the parents are talking. I would never do that to my kid, but I guess to each their own!

Yes, they are talking because they are not happy that someone just took their kids spot on the 2020 team.

Haha, that's funny. Someone is going to be very disappointed!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids do not get "left back" for academic reasons. That is a laughable excuse for promoting an athletic holdback! Bottom line is that the advocates for the growth of the game of lacrosse should not be promoting the holding back of kids. It is just wrong. It is elitist, as not everyone is not in the position to do it. Make all the excuses you want, but this has never been about an individual kid, most of them are great people! It is about the parents, putting their children into unnatural situations, which put unnecessary pressure on them. Let them be, they will wind up where they belong. Instead of a holdback on a team, where he is not even good enough to start, where all the parents are talking. I would never do that to my kid, but I guess to each their own!

In order for Stampede to compete they need to drop some of these kids and add others to be competitive. Just can't get better with what we had last year. Just being honest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In order for Stampede to compete they need to drop some of these kids and add others to be competitive. Just can't get better with what we had last year. Just being honest

isn't that what the tryout process is for. To get the best talent available. I don't get the people that say they do it for the money. yeah they do it for the money but they try to commit the best they can. If a coach has a connection with a family or a few maybe those kids make the team but they still try to put the best product they can.

Put your child in the best situation which will challenge them the most.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets all be honest, they were put in A tournaments to promote that they have A teams. They didn't do well in most tournaments and took beating at several of them. I don't know why parents would subject themselves to this so the program can sell parents on this being an A team. I know most of their games were not close and it is a shame that they had to go into tournaments and be embarrassed. there is nothing wrong with putting them in solid B tournaments and have the kids play competitive games. I guess when you run a business perception is everything and reality is nothing.

Yep, they're marketing perfectly to the parents who are so mistakenly caught up in AA, A, B, etc! Next will be AAA, AA, and A, instead of A, B, C!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Went to 91 tryouts this weekend. My son I thought played well but was placed on the back fields for two days. Watched the kids playing on the front field and I realized how good the talent they had there. the kids played at another level. Just trying to figure out if the Stampede would be an option or is that team all political like many others. I saw them play in a few tournaments and it looked like they could use some help to improve and compete or if they would be content with the same kids. any insight is appreciated. Don't even know if my son will be offered a spot yet

Stay away from stampede! Friend of mine left the program we were with for stampede last year and it was a disaster and he came back. 3rd team is never a good experience.

The stampede team happened to be very good at 2019 (the black team), last year they played up in A and did well in a few tournaments but not all. They are a B+ team. They also happened to have had a gold team at 2019 because they didn't want to cut any kids.. That team looked like a disaster, the parents thought their kids were better than they were. I think 91 realized its not worth trying to have 4 teams and are only having 3 this year.

Who are the coaches for stampede?

I think the coaches are listed on the website, my kids 2021 team is coached by college players (NYIT and Adelphi) and pretty sure most of the teams except for 2018 are coached by NYIT college players.

That's what you get with the 3rd or 4th team - college kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many turned out for 2019/2018 Legacy tryouts, anyone there ?

2019 had about 40 kids over two days. Looks like they're going to have one 2019 team with Mike Taylor, Tim Boyle and Sean Keenan all involved. Can't ask for a better staff than that especially heading into recruiting years with one team. Taylor and Keenan ran yesterday's tryout. Hope my son gets picked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Stampede team win any tournaments at all last year?. Just trying to figure out if it's worth it for my son to go there if he is asked . If they are a B team or an A team?

Definitely B, and no, it's not worth it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the coaches are listed on the website, my kids 2021 team is coached by college players (NYIT and Adelphi) and pretty sure most of the teams except for 2018 are coached by NYIT college players.

That's what you get with the 3rd or 4th team - college kids

Yes, we get it, you don't like college kids. The 2021 coach was an all-american NYIT defenseman who was excellent with the kids. Also cost less to be on a 91 3rd team compared to getting the same thing for a lot more somewhere else. Not saying every team is treated the same, but I have no complaints from my experience so far.

Putting Stampede in the A tournament was a good reality check for the boys.now these kids know that they need a lot of work if they want to stay on this team. It's humbling but some parents need a reality check. The kids know already it's the parents that are a little clueless

funny how your theory has an anonymous name attached to your positive spin!you are either mrs or a meathead wife ?/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That definitely does not say he doesn't believe in his kid. He may be giving his kid more opportunities. HIs kid is not big, has not gone through puberty for sure. Did you ever think that it may not be a lacrosse thing? Do you know how his kid did in school? To me the kid is a nice, polite kid. How does anyone know what is going on in that home? There may be more to the smoke and mirrors theory. Maybe the kid wants to be a star in the classroom and the field just comes along with it. It's funny how your theory has an "anonymous" name attached to your negativity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When a coach and director reclass his kid wow what does that say ?!?!?!?!

What does that say? Well, maybe if you were listening to the college coaching staffs at many of the recruiting camps this summer; Jake Reed, Blue Chip, Elite 180, Maverick, Texas 99, etc. Many of them told us that they recommended "reclassiying kids". This is because most of the the other states have been doing this for years. Our kids are at a disadvantage. Maybe you should attend some of these showcases and you would get this info firsthand. I personally heard this and debated the entire summer. It's wasn't the right choice for us, we have other things going on. This parent/coach is not the only one doing it. I think I've heard at least 5-7 parents have done it this year. It must feel good singling out this guy (parent-coach). I think there are a few disgruntled parents from his old team leading the way on this one. I hear them on my sideline bad mouthing him. He is a good guy, my son has trained with him before. He son is a great kid. Shame on you guys for allowing and continuing to ask questions about SPECIFIC families.

It says you don't believe in your kid. It says you look for a way to cheat to make your kid look better. It says you are a believer in smoke and mirrors. It says that you teach your kid to be a follower and not a leader, if everyone else is doing it, I guess I will to. Even though I know I'm gaining an unfair advantage. Teach your kid to be a man, do their best and work hard, don't take the easy way out. not everyone is destined to be a star on the lacrosse field. And that's ok. Sad that many of these reclass families will need to learn this the hard way!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

funny how your theory has an anonymous name attached to your positive spin!you are either mrs or a meathead wife ?/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That definitely does not say he doesn't believe in his kid. He may be giving his kid more opportunities. HIs kid is not big, has not gone through puberty for sure. Did you ever think that it may not be a lacrosse thing? Do you know how his kid did in school? To me the kid is a nice, polite kid. How does anyone know what is going on in that home? There may be more to the smoke and mirrors theory. Maybe the kid wants to be a star in the classroom and the field just comes along with it. It's funny how your theory has an "anonymous" name attached to your negativity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When a coach and director reclass his kid wow what does that say ?!?!?!?!

What does that say? Well, maybe if you were listening to the college coaching staffs at many of the recruiting camps this summer; Jake Reed, Blue Chip, Elite 180, Maverick, Texas 99, etc. Many of them told us that they recommended "reclassiying kids". This is because most of the the other states have been doing this for years. Our kids are at a disadvantage. Maybe you should attend some of these showcases and you would get this info firsthand. I personally heard this and debated the entire summer. It's wasn't the right choice for us, we have other things going on. This parent/coach is not the only one doing it. I think I've heard at least 5-7 parents have done it this year. It must feel good singling out this guy (parent-coach). I think there are a few disgruntled parents from his old team leading the way on this one. I hear them on my sideline bad mouthing him. He is a good guy, my son has trained with him before. He son is a great kid. Shame on you guys for allowing and continuing to ask questions about SPECIFIC families.

It says you don't believe in your kid. It says you look for a way to cheat to make your kid look better. It says you are a believer in smoke and mirrors. It says that you teach your kid to be a follower and not a leader, if everyone else is doing it, I guess I will to. Even though I know I'm gaining an unfair advantage. Teach your kid to be a man, do their best and work hard, don't take the easy way out. not everyone is destined to be a star on the lacrosse field. And that's ok. Sad that many of these reclass families will need to learn this the hard way!

Hope it all works our for the kid. Just don't like the tactics, sorry of that bothers you. It's not right that some people feel that it is ok to manipulate the hand they are dealt. Remember the grass is not always greener!

Bluefish finished tryouts yesterday...this one is a gamble with a huge upside or downside...unproven product in a critical year...But... talent level was most decidedly there...some real slick play outta middies and long poles...and many selected to team were not even there...gotta hope that Powers and Teirney take a hands on approach and make offseason workouts count...then they need to use their clout and get these kids in some decent showcases...that's what this year is about, being seen...hope my kid makes it, not sure he stepped up enough, but there were a lot of middies looking for an "A" side home...defense is what these two coaches are known for and seemed like they had a more than a couple of big, solid long poles, could help keep scores down against top teams with bigger attacks...middies were all a big undersized, no studs but some talent, attack seemed adequate...could be something there...we will be accepting a "B" team slog if offered because training looks like it will be above average...good luck all

That is exactly what happened to last years parents of the reclassed goalie.

Don't get you and I am not sure I want to try. Mrs? Meathead? Come on bro, give it a rest. People can be positive when they are on the outside looking in. I hope the Mrs. Doesn't read this crap.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

funny how your theory has an anonymous name attached to your positive spin!you are either mrs or a meathead wife ?/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That definitely does not say he doesn't believe in his kid. He may be giving his kid more opportunities. HIs kid is not big, has not gone through puberty for sure. Did you ever think that it may not be a lacrosse thing? Do you know how his kid did in school? To me the kid is a nice, polite kid. How does anyone know what is going on in that home? There may be more to the smoke and mirrors theory. Maybe the kid wants to be a star in the classroom and the field just comes along with it. It's funny how your theory has an "anonymous" name attached to your negativity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When a coach and director reclass his kid wow what does that say ?!?!?!?!

What does that say? Well, maybe if you were listening to the college coaching staffs at many of the recruiting camps this summer; Jake Reed, Blue Chip, Elite 180, Maverick, Texas 99, etc. Many of them told us that they recommended "reclassiying kids". This is because most of the the other states have been doing this for years. Our kids are at a disadvantage. Maybe you should attend some of these showcases and you would get this info firsthand. I personally heard this and debated the entire summer. It's wasn't the right choice for us, we have other things going on. This parent/coach is not the only one doing it. I think I've heard at least 5-7 parents have done it this year. It must feel good singling out this guy (parent-coach). I think there are a few disgruntled parents from his old team leading the way on this one. I hear them on my sideline bad mouthing him. He is a good guy, my son has trained with him before. He son is a great kid. Shame on you guys for allowing and continuing to ask questions about SPECIFIC families.

It says you don't believe in your kid. It says you look for a way to cheat to make your kid look better. It says you are a believer in smoke and mirrors. It says that you teach your kid to be a follower and not a leader, if everyone else is doing it, I guess I will to. Even though I know I'm gaining an unfair advantage. Teach your kid to be a man, do their best and work hard, don't take the easy way out. not everyone is destined to be a star on the lacrosse field. And that's ok. Sad that many of these reclass families will need to learn this the hard way!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

funny how your theory has an anonymous name attached to your positive spin!you are either mrs or a meathead wife ?/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That definitely does not say he doesn't believe in his kid. He may be giving his kid more opportunities. HIs kid is not big, has not gone through puberty for sure. Did you ever think that it may not be a lacrosse thing? Do you know how his kid did in school? To me the kid is a nice, polite kid. How does anyone know what is going on in that home? There may be more to the smoke and mirrors theory. Maybe the kid wants to be a star in the classroom and the field just comes along with it. It's funny how your theory has an "anonymous" name attached to your negativity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When a coach and director reclass his kid wow what does that say ?!?!?!?!

What does that say? Well, maybe if you were listening to the college coaching staffs at many of the recruiting camps this summer; Jake Reed, Blue Chip, Elite 180, Maverick, Texas 99, etc. Many of them told us that they recommended "reclassiying kids". This is because most of the the other states have been doing this for years. Our kids are at a disadvantage. Maybe you should attend some of these showcases and you would get this info firsthand. I personally heard this and debated the entire summer. It's wasn't the right choice for us, we have other things going on. This parent/coach is not the only one doing it. I think I've heard at least 5-7 parents have done it this year. It must feel good singling out this guy (parent-coach). I think there are a few disgruntled parents from his old team leading the way on this one. I hear them on my sideline bad mouthing him. He is a good guy, my son has trained with him before. He son is a great kid. Shame on you guys for allowing and continuing to ask questions about SPECIFIC families.

It says you don't believe in your kid. It says you look for a way to cheat to make your kid look better. It says you are a believer in smoke and mirrors. It says that you teach your kid to be a follower and not a leader, if everyone else is doing it, I guess I will to. Even though I know I'm gaining an unfair advantage. Teach your kid to be a man, do their best and work hard, don't take the easy way out. not everyone is destined to be a star on the lacrosse field. And that's ok. Sad that many of these reclass families will need to learn this the hard way!

Let's call a spade a spade. We all know who they are discussing on this panel. Any lacrosse person would. So by you saying there are no names mentioned is BULL. They are again speaking about a kid. Whether he has talent or not. That is one slippery slope you are treading bud.

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parent need to keep their mouths shut, let the coaches coach and the players play. Our kids are not 8 yrs. old anymore. Enough is enough, let them play and sit there and keep your mouth shut. Parents are the worst.

I don't agree with the post (calling out particular people) going through but Parents do not need to keep their mouths shut. Actually they should speak up more. They are the clients; the ones in charge.

The coaches/organizations need to be reminded they are being paid for a service, if the expected service isnt given, the parents, the ones who are shelling out the money have the right to speak up and have a say. (within limits of course).

If adults want to call each other out, we are good with it, you are grown ups.... Handle it. Just leave the kids out of it.

I am okay with calling the adult out. But I don't believe the kids were left out of the post... called them "not good" then proceeded to accuse of reclassing.

There were no names mentioned.

K

Originally Posted by acblax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the coaches are listed on the website, my kids 2021 team is coached by college players (NYIT and Adelphi) and pretty sure most of the teams except for 2018 are coached by NYIT college players.

That's what you get with the 3rd or 4th team - college kids

Yes, we get it, you don't like college kids. The 2021 coach was an all-american NYIT defenseman who was excellent with the kids. Also cost less to be on a 91 3rd team compared to getting the same thing for a lot more somewhere else. Not saying every team is treated the same, but I have no complaints from my experience so far.

I love college kids...if they're helping out a college coach who is the head coach. At this age I think that is the best scenario, especially heading into recruiting years. College kids can also be very good HC's of younger kids, but I wouldn't go for it with my HS son.

Was there Rocky Point and Bayshore helmets there, too? Poor Outlaws. Watch out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how was the turnout at legacy tryouts

saw many legacy helmets at outlaws tryouts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was there Rocky Point and Bayshore helmets there, too? Poor Outlaws. Watch out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how was the turnout at legacy tryouts

saw many legacy helmets at outlaws tryouts

that's what happens when parents call an entire team and tell them to leave. I guess legacy messed with the wrong parent.

GOOD LUCK to Outlaws is a understatement yes Rocky Point and bayshore helmets were there silly !!! Now black shirts will be worn instead of blue to all team tournaments hah !! If we are gonna talk let's try to keep it real and not give one sad parent all the credit ... Here's the real story not super dads . Yes legacy fell apart the main reason was atleast 9 players, most very talenteed went to private school this year and of course went to play for Express for reasons we all know. Half the team was gone before daddy did anything. Daddy's kid went to private school also but he's not playing for express like the others hmmmmmm.. Outlaws looked good daddy and his friends wanted to go too because legacy was gonna struggle without the top kids that went to private school. Funny part is this parent did what he did because his kid wasn't last years Rabil and he can't have that, he was mad that the coach couldn't see the the greatness in front of him. The kids aren't the problem the parents are. Let's sum it up Legacy didn't mess with the wrong parent they got rid of a " I am going after my dreams through my kid" parent. Many teams were affected by the private school movement and no longer have 2019 teams Legacy just happened to have 2 really angry parents one that called those not going to private school and said come to Outlaws.. Guess what the coach, his kid, the organization are gonna be just fine without you but are you gonna be okay without them ??? Was the the right thing to do for your kid ? Did your kid have a problem or was it just you ? Some pretty well known well liked people those parents are talking a lot of trash about !!! The grass isn't always greener on the other side hope for the kids sake it's not all dirt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

GOOD LUCK to Outlaws is a understatement yes Rocky Point and bayshore helmets were there silly !!! Now black shirts will be worn instead of blue to all team tournaments hah !! If we are gonna talk let's try to keep it real and not give one sad parent all the credit ... Here's the real story not super dads . Yes legacy fell apart the main reason was atleast 9 players, most very talenteed went to private school this year and of course went to play for Express for reasons we all know. Half the team was gone before daddy did anything. Daddy's kid went to private school also but he's not playing for express like the others hmmmmmm.. Outlaws looked good daddy and his friends wanted to go too because legacy was gonna struggle without the top kids that went to private school. Funny part is this parent did what he did because his kid wasn't last years Rabil and he can't have that, he was mad that the coach couldn't see the the greatness in front of him. The kids aren't the problem the parents are. Let's sum it up Legacy didn't mess with the wrong parent they got rid of a " I am going after my dreams through my kid" parent. Many teams were affected by the private school movement and no longer have 2019 teams Legacy just happened to have 2 really angry parents one that called those not going to private school and said come to Outlaws.. Guess what the coach, his kid, the organization are gonna be just fine without you but are you gonna be okay without them ??? Was the the right thing to do for your kid ? Did your kid have a problem or was it just you ? Some pretty well known well liked people those parents are talking a lot of trash about !!! The grass isn't always greener on the other side hope for the kids sake it's not all dirt.

The parent has a history of ruining teams! Outlaws BEWARE!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

GOOD LUCK to Outlaws is a understatement yes Rocky Point and bayshore helmets were there silly !!! Now black shirts will be worn instead of blue to all team tournaments hah !! If we are gonna talk let's try to keep it real and not give one sad parent all the credit ... Here's the real story not super dads . Yes legacy fell apart the main reason was atleast 9 players, most very talenteed went to private school this year and of course went to play for Express for reasons we all know. Half the team was gone before daddy did anything. Daddy's kid went to private school also but he's not playing for express like the others hmmmmmm.. Outlaws looked good daddy and his friends wanted to go too because legacy was gonna struggle without the top kids that went to private school. Funny part is this parent did what he did because his kid wasn't last years Rabil and he can't have that, he was mad that the coach couldn't see the the greatness in front of him. The kids aren't the problem the parents are. Let's sum it up Legacy didn't mess with the wrong parent they got rid of a " I am going after my dreams through my kid" parent. Many teams were affected by the private school movement and no longer have 2019 teams Legacy just happened to have 2 really angry parents one that called those not going to private school and said come to Outlaws.. Guess what the coach, his kid, the organization are gonna be just fine without you but are you gonna be okay without them ??? Was the the right thing to do for your kid ? Did your kid have a problem or was it just you ? Some pretty well known well liked people those parents are talking a lot of trash about !!! The grass isn't always greener on the other side hope for the kids sake it's not all dirt.

The parent has a history of ruining teams! Outlaws BEWARE!!!

Ruining teams, plural as more than once. Explain.

Ok if you are going to criticize someone anonymously at least have your facts straight. 8 went to private school, not all 8 went to play for express. I only know of 2 maybe 3 definite express players. The rest had not made decision and some did not even tryout for express. A crew of smithtown kids were going to outlaws already before this parent was involved. Now the smithtown kids and some of the private school kids have become friends and play well together. Isn't it always a quote on here to let the kids play with their friends and have fun.. So some of the pvt school kids are looking at outlaws. Why would nt you look at another program if you think there is a lot leaving? Not all parents are home hatching schemes..son comes to you and says so and so is looking at that team i want to too.. there you go.. No real conspiracy. The parent in question has not ruined any teams. He has been with Legacy/riptide for a few years. I have not heard any trash talk personally about Legacy or the coaches. Just was not a fit anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

funny how your theory has an anonymous name attached to your positive spin!you are either mrs or a meathead wife ?/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That definitely does not say he doesn't believe in his kid. He may be giving his kid more opportunities. HIs kid is not big, has not gone through puberty for sure. Did you ever think that it may not be a lacrosse thing? Do you know how his kid did in school? To me the kid is a nice, polite kid. How does anyone know what is going on in that home? There may be more to the smoke and mirrors theory. Maybe the kid wants to be a star in the classroom and the field just comes along with it. It's funny how your theory has an "anonymous" name attached to your negativity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When a coach and director reclass his kid wow what does that say ?!?!?!?!

What does that say? Well, maybe if you were listening to the college coaching staffs at many of the recruiting camps this summer; Jake Reed, Blue Chip, Elite 180, Maverick, Texas 99, etc. Many of them told us that they recommended "reclassiying kids". This is because most of the the other states have been doing this for years. Our kids are at a disadvantage. Maybe you should attend some of these showcases and you would get this info firsthand. I personally heard this and debated the entire summer. It's wasn't the right choice for us, we have other things going on. This parent/coach is not the only one doing it. I think I've heard at least 5-7 parents have done it this year. It must feel good singling out this guy (parent-coach). I think there are a few disgruntled parents from his old team leading the way on this one. I hear them on my sideline bad mouthing him. He is a good guy, my son has trained with him before. He son is a great kid. Shame on you guys for allowing and continuing to ask questions about SPECIFIC families.

It says you don't believe in your kid. It says you look for a way to cheat to make your kid look better. It says you are a believer in smoke and mirrors. It says that you teach your kid to be a follower and not a leader, if everyone else is doing it, I guess I will to. Even though I know I'm gaining an unfair advantage. Teach your kid to be a man, do their best and work hard, don't take the easy way out. not everyone is destined to be a star on the lacrosse field. And that's ok. Sad that many of these reclass families will need to learn this the hard way!

Hope it all works our for the kid. Just don't like the tactics, sorry of that bothers you. It's not right that some people feel that it is ok to manipulate the hand they are dealt. Remember the grass is not always greener!

Lets stop all the garbage and BS about potential academic problems and puberty as reasons for holding back. While it is every parents absolute right to do what they think is best for their kid, the main and usually the only reason people re -class their kids is to gain some type of perceived advantage on the lacrosse field that the kid was not getting in his own grade do to lack of skill, or athletic ability. At least be honest, just stop the BS academic excuse.

What he said!

Are there any 2019 parents on here who took their son down to Florida for 3d Blue Chip last year? I have a 2020 and am wondering if 8th grade is silly to spend the time and $$$ traveling for this. Any insights or advice would be appreciated.

P.S. My son is a good player on an "A" team but is age-appropriate and really hasn't hit his growth spurt yet.

We went last year and it was a great experience plus you can see where you kids stands with the best kids side by side. They onlt take about 1/2 the kids from Bluechip camp in Florida to Jake Reeds camp, the other 1/2 are direct invite thru coached recommendations.
We did not get an an invite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any 2019 parents on here who took their son down to Florida for 3d Blue Chip last year? I have a 2020 and am wondering if 8th grade is silly to spend the time and $$$ traveling for this. Any insights or advice would be appreciated.

P.S. My son is a good player on an "A" team but is age-appropriate and really hasn't hit his growth spurt yet.

Maybe these families wanted to go where there was not a dad coaching the team????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We went last year and it was a great experience plus you can see where you kids stands with the best kids side by side. They onlt take about 1/2 the kids from Bluechip camp in Florida to Jake Reeds camp, the other 1/2 are direct invite thru coached recommendations.
We did not get an an invite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any 2019 parents on here who took their son down to Florida for 3d Blue Chip last year? I have a 2020 and am wondering if 8th grade is silly to spend the time and $$$ traveling for this. Any insights or advice would be appreciated.

P.S. My son is a good player on an "A" team but is age-appropriate and really hasn't hit his growth spurt yet.

I don't agree about "stands with the best kids" there is no way ALL the BEST kids go to this camp in Florida. If you want to see where your kids stands with the other kids whose parents want to shell that money out, then that is one thing. To think it he is standing with the best, is a very big stretch.

Ok stands with the best kids at the camp...happy now ?? jezzz

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We went last year and it was a great experience plus you can see where you kids stands with the best kids side by side. They onlt take about 1/2 the kids from Bluechip camp in Florida to Jake Reeds camp, the other 1/2 are direct invite thru coached recommendations.
We did not get an an invite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any 2019 parents on here who took their son down to Florida for 3d Blue Chip last year? I have a 2020 and am wondering if 8th grade is silly to spend the time and $$$ traveling for this. Any insights or advice would be appreciated.

P.S. My son is a good player on an "A" team but is age-appropriate and really hasn't hit his growth spurt yet.

I don't agree about "stands with the best kids" there is no way ALL the BEST kids go to this camp in Florida. If you want to see where your kids stands with the other kids whose parents want to shell that money out, then that is one thing. To think it he is standing with the best, is a very big stretch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe these families wanted to go where there was not a dad coaching the team????

There's no dad coaching the team this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was there Rocky Point and Bayshore helmets there, too? Poor Outlaws. Watch out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how was the turnout at legacy tryouts

saw many legacy helmets at outlaws tryouts

That Rocky Point dad has been trying to talk his son onto an A team for years. He's a B+, maybe A- player, but that dad can't admit it, so he shops him around every year. He never makes an A team on his own, so dad makes the calls, and begs people to give him a chance on A. It's sad. Poor kid will probably quit soon anyway.

Right and how well did that work out for him ?! Heats the poor kid was duped !!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was there Rocky Point and Bayshore helmets there, too? Poor Outlaws. Watch out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how was the turnout at legacy tryouts

saw many legacy helmets at outlaws tryouts

That Rocky Point dad has been trying to talk his son onto an A team for years. He's a B+, maybe A- player, but that dad can't admit it, so he shops him around every year. He never makes an A team on his own, so dad makes the calls, and begs people to give him a chance on A. It's sad. Poor kid will probably quit soon anyway.

Wait until the college coaches ask about this dad!!! That's when it will all come back to him...and unfortunately his son will suffer, if he's still playing at that point! He's running out of programs to go to...

Shame on you people for speaking about a kid that way. Very shameful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe these families wanted to go where there was not a dad coaching the team????

Discounting a coach because he happens to be a players Dad is a mistake. My kids have had All American college players as coaches who couldn't run a practice and showed up to tournaments hung over and late for games (I coached half a game at one tournament until he arrived) and they have had Dads as coaches who were excellent. Be open minded and talk with the coach to get an idea of his commitment level and knowledge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was there Rocky Point and Bayshore helmets there, too? Poor Outlaws. Watch out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how was the turnout at legacy tryouts

saw many legacy helmets at outlaws tryouts

That Rocky Point dad has been trying to talk his son onto an A team for years. He's a B+, maybe A- player, but that dad can't admit it, so he shops him around every year. He never makes an A team on his own, so dad makes the calls, and begs people to give him a chance on A. It's sad. Poor kid will probably quit soon anyway.

stop going after the kids!!!

What is sad is an adult will hide behind a computer and spew such venom. Say what you will about me but leave your expert evaluations about my son's ability out of it. You obviously know me,but never had the guts to bring this up to me face to face. Anytime you want to talk about it call me and we can set up a meeting. Jim Accardi

What is your interest to say such a horrible thing about another lacrosse family? Would you say these things in person to this father? Have you thought about how hurtful it is to the player to see such hurtful things about his family? Did you ever stop & think what your opinion of this player/dad will do for his recruitment? You, sir, are a mean spirited hurtful coward hiding behinde anonyminity. Lacrosse is a small community..words, actions & unsolicited opinions from a nobody can hurt a players future. Choose your words wisely, honor & respect the game..you obviously are new to the game of lacrosse or just a hateful person.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any 2019 parents on here who took their son down to Florida for 3d Blue Chip last year? I have a 2020 and am wondering if 8th grade is silly to spend the time and $$$ traveling for this. Any insights or advice would be appreciated.

P.S. My son is a good player on an "A" team but is age-appropriate and really hasn't hit his growth spurt yet.

We went last year and I though tit was a waste of time. My son's club team played all of the top teams this past summer so comparisons were made then. I will not take my 2021 son down in the future. Just my experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shame on you people for speaking about a kid that way. Very shameful.

Did I miss something? What was said about the kid that was bad?

K

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was there Rocky Point and Bayshore helmets there, too? Poor Outlaws. Watch out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how was the turnout at legacy tryouts

saw many legacy helmets at outlaws tryouts

That Rocky Point dad has been trying to talk his son onto an A team for years. He's a B+, maybe A- player, but that dad can't admit it, so he shops him around every year. He never makes an A team on his own, so dad makes the calls, and begs people to give him a chance on A. It's sad. Poor kid will probably quit soon anyway.

stop going after the kids!!!

Who's going after the kids? It's the dad who's being criticized, not his son. Saying the kid is A-, or B+, is going after him? There's nothing wrong with that in my book. In fact it would be a compliment for many kids. Most kids are B players, whether their parents realize it or not, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is sad is an adult will hide behind a computer and spew such venom. Say what you will about me but leave your expert evaluations about my son's ability out of it. You obviously know me,but never had the guts to bring this up to me face to face. Anytime you want to talk about it call me and we can set up a meeting. Jim Accardi

Calling a kid A-, or B+, is "spewing venom"? I think that's a very good player, and wasn't putting down the young man at all.

My son went to 3d blue chip last year...we did it as a feeling out process and a quick get away for Super Bowl weekend...taken in that context, I felt it was worth it...bite pricey to find out if your kid can play on a elite level, but we didn't' mind...ego stroke for us both to think he could compete well against regional elite, so we had fun with it and I used it to pump up his confidence some for travel season, need to feel like you belong in elite event to be an elite player, plus, they love the swag and comradery,..this was no vacation as the boys were kept busy and he was tired at night, so no Disney, coaching was average, nothing learned that was game altering, just solid reinforcement of basic principals and defense barely instructed at all, make no mistake, this is an offensive showcase, they want to see attack and your kid will be hung out on defense unless he has some experienced players with him out there...coaches play favorites, not sour grapes, just way it was...91 coach had a bunch of 91 kids on his team, played them on first line together, the rest were pieced together, kid playing next to mine didn't even know what a "slide"was... so, your kid needs to be prepared to fend for himself, get noticed without being a ball hog, they come down on you for trying to do it all yourself...again, if your there for your son to be discover, temper that because very, very few are selected from this to Jake Reed, your kid needs to be over the top against really good kids...getting some good video for a showcase film should be considered if your kid plays well, against good completion that looks good for him...bottom line, your kid will meet others, local to Long Island and elsewhere who have same dream, see where he measures up and then see what true elite play is like if he hasn't played with that type of player...I say spend the money and enjoy the Florida sun while your kid gets a taste of showcase mentality and play...worth it

Commenting that the kid can not make an A team on "his own" is absolutely a shot at that boy. Nothing nice,useful or informative about that post. A lot of people actually know that kid and that he adds value to teams he plays on. If you do not like his father keep the negative BS directed at him,spare the kid,he has a tough enough life with such a horrible role model..

What's so bad about talking about the kids ???? Who gave this person the right to judge this kid ? Say what you want about the dad ( I would be careful though he's cookey 😜) but really why the kid ? AA A B or C he's a good kid and a good player. Who cares how many tryouts they go to ? Just curious exactly how do you know where this family is going all the time, you going too ???? And bad role model really ????? Why because he is trying to find the perfect fit for his kid ... Just stop now

Just wondering why the jump on that Legacy dad? Wasn't the "Team Mom" doing most of the calling of players parents to get them move over with the Smithtown guys to the Outlaws? I have to question why the Outlaws and not Express like his St. Anthony's teammates? Bad parent blood there? Don't worry, by now I think the St. Anthony's staff knows what he is all about. Better go to confession.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe these families wanted to go where there was not a dad coaching the team????

Discounting a coach because he happens to be a players Dad is a mistake. My kids have had All American college players as coaches who couldn't run a practice and showed up to tournaments hung over and late for games (I coached half a game at one tournament until he arrived) and they have had Dads as coaches who were excellent. Be open minded and talk with the coach to get an idea of his commitment level and knowledge.

I couldn't agree more. My little guy's coach didn't play college lacrosse and he is a fantastic coach. He is dedicated, knowledgable and creative in practice. The kids love him and his assistant and they have improved beyond my expectations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe these families wanted to go where there was not a dad coaching the team????

Discounting a coach because he happens to be a players Dad is a mistake. My kids have had All American college players as coaches who couldn't run a practice and showed up to tournaments hung over and late for games (I coached half a game at one tournament until he arrived) and they have had Dads as coaches who were excellent. Be open minded and talk with the coach to get an idea of his commitment level and knowledge.

You were very lucky. I have only been in situations where the Coaches son plays over others who are more deserving. If you are paying the money and you made the team you should play over "Daddy's kid". On the other hand, a positive to parent coaching is that the team has more practices because the parent has more invested in the team with a child playing. I am trying to go the no Daddy route or find a team where my kid and the coaches son doesn't play same position.

I couldn't agree more. My little guy's coach didn't play college lacrosse and he is a fantastic coach. He is dedicated, knowledgable and creative in practice. The kids love him and his assistant and they have improved beyond my expectations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just wondering why the jump on that Legacy dad? Wasn't the "Team Mom" doing most of the calling of players parents to get them move over with the Smithtown guys to the Outlaws? I have to question why the Outlaws and not Express like his St. Anthony's teammates? Bad parent blood there? Don't worry, by now I think the St. Anthony's staff knows what he is all about. Better go to confession.

Probably calling and emailing for month to everyone involved.

this thread on legacy/outlaws is getting old..not all of the st ants players are going to express. 2 or 3 so far, maybe more but not "all". and really who cares? why not move teams if you think it is a better fit. why would nt you have your son tryout for other teams. why are the 2 dads getting bashed. they re doing what is best for their kids. also there are a lot of side conversations with a director or coach we are not privy too. give the guys a break. if they are such bad people they have certainly done something right their sons are good kids. so enough already. cant complain about someone leaving then in same breath say good riddance.

Ditto.. both good dads

Originally Posted by Anonymous

this thread on legacy/outlaws is getting old..not all of the st ants players are going to express. 2 or 3 so far, maybe more but not "all". and really who cares? why not move teams if you think it is a better fit. why would nt you have your son tryout for other teams. why are the 2 dads getting bashed. they re doing what is best for their kids. also there are a lot of side conversations with a director or coach we are not privy too. give the guys a break. if they are such bad people they have certainly done something right their sons are good kids. so enough already. cant complain about someone leaving then in same breath say good riddance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe these families wanted to go where there was not a dad coaching the team????

Discounting a coach because he happens to be a players Dad is a mistake. My kids have had All American college players as coaches who couldn't run a practice and showed up to tournaments hung over and late for games (I coached half a game at one tournament until he arrived) and they have had Dads as coaches who were excellent. Be open minded and talk with the coach to get an idea of his commitment level and knowledge.

You were very lucky. I have only been in situations where the Coaches son plays over others who are more deserving. If you are paying the money and you made the team you should play over "Daddy's kid". On the other hand, a positive to parent coaching is that the team has more practices because the parent has more invested in the team with a child playing. I am trying to go the no Daddy route or find a team where my kid and the coaches son doesn't play same position.

I couldn't agree more. My little guy's coach didn't play college lacrosse and he is a fantastic coach. He is dedicated, knowledgable and creative in practice. The kids love him and his assistant and they have improved beyond my expectations.

I have been one of those DAD/COACH for 6 years and I can tell you that my son didn't start or play man up when we had better players then him. I told him very directly that if he wants to play more, he has to work hard like the other boys and earn his spot. not every dad/coach is bad, sure some might be but don't put us all in that category. Now he is coached by someone else and he has put in his time working out and has been a starter ever since. I am guessing he probably wished he had a different coach over the past few years-haha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe these families wanted to go where there was not a dad coaching the team????

Discounting a coach because he happens to be a players Dad is a mistake. My kids have had All American college players as coaches who couldn't run a practice and showed up to tournaments hung over and late for games (I coached half a game at one tournament until he arrived) and they have had Dads as coaches who were excellent. Be open minded and talk with the coach to get an idea of his commitment level and knowledge.

You were very lucky. I have only been in situations where the Coaches son plays over others who are more deserving. If you are paying the money and you made the team you should play over "Daddy's kid". On the other hand, a positive to parent coaching is that the team has more practices because the parent has more invested in the team with a child playing. I am trying to go the no Daddy route or find a team where my kid and the coaches son doesn't play same position.

I couldn't agree more. My little guy's coach didn't play college lacrosse and he is a fantastic coach. He is dedicated, knowledgable and creative in practice. The kids love him and his assistant and they have improved beyond my expectations.

I have been one of those DAD/COACH for 6 years and I can tell you that my son didn't start or play man up when we had better players then him. I told him very directly that if he wants to play more, he has to work hard like the other boys and earn his spot. not every dad/coach is bad, sure some might be but don't put us all in that category. Now he is coached by someone else and he has put in his time working out and has been a starter ever since. I am guessing he probably wished he had a different coach over the past few years-haha

Kudos to you and your son. I don't think it is a blanket statement. I am sure there are plenty of coaches like you out there. I am also sure you know a few like what people are saying. There is good and bad in every walk of life. Steering clear or towards the right choice is worth doing your homework on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe these families wanted to go where there was not a dad coaching the team????

Discounting a coach because he happens to be a players Dad is a mistake. My kids have had All American college players as coaches who couldn't run a practice and showed up to tournaments hung over and late for games (I coached half a game at one tournament until he arrived) and they have had Dads as coaches who were excellent. Be open minded and talk with the coach to get an idea of his commitment level and knowledge.

You were very lucky. I have only been in situations where the Coaches son plays over others who are more deserving. If you are paying the money and you made the team you should play over "Daddy's kid". On the other hand, a positive to parent coaching is that the team has more practices because the parent has more invested in the team with a child playing. I am trying to go the no Daddy route or find a team where my kid and the coaches son doesn't play same position.

I couldn't agree more. My little guy's coach didn't play college lacrosse and he is a fantastic coach. He is dedicated, knowledgable and creative in practice. The kids love him and his assistant and they have improved beyond my expectations.

I have been one of those DAD/COACH for 6 years and I can tell you that my son didn't start or play man up when we had better players then him. I told him very directly that if he wants to play more, he has to work hard like the other boys and earn his spot. not every dad/coach is bad, sure some might be but don't put us all in that category. Now he is coached by someone else and he has put in his time working out and has been a starter ever since. I am guessing he probably wished he had a different coach over the past few years-haha

I've been a Dad/Coach for both Town and Club teams for the last 8 years and I have never favored my sons. Fact is, I probably pay less attention to them than I should and I am far more critical of them. Hopefully the vast majority of parents have been happy with my coaching style and I know the kids have developed under my guidance. Give Coach/Dads a fair chance to prove themselves.

The best of the best dotn all spedn money to do the 3d camps. TMy sons HS coach gave him a recommendation for the blue chip camp. If your good your good, no need to spend the $$

Bluefish selections are out on website...koodos to the staff for posting player numbers who made it, this was the "full disclosure" I was referring to a few weeks ago, this is the only why a parent can compare their kids play against others...if kids who didn't 't stand out over their own kids make it, at least it all out there to see, and the consoling is made easier, integrity asked for and received, .good luck all, your off to a decent start in this parents eyes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bluefish selections are out on website...koodos to the staff for posting player numbers who made it, this was the "full disclosure" I was referring to a few weeks ago, this is the only why a parent can compare their kids play against others...if kids who didn't 't stand out over their own kids make it, at least it all out there to see, and the consoling is made easier, integrity asked for and received, .good luck all, your off to a decent start in this parents eyes

Who looks at other kids numbers ..I can't even remember my own sons number so your point makes no sense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bluefish selections are out on website...koodos to the staff for posting player numbers who made it, this was the "full disclosure" I was referring to a few weeks ago, this is the only why a parent can compare their kids play against others...if kids who didn't 't stand out over their own kids make it, at least it all out there to see, and the consoling is made easier, integrity asked for and received, good luck all, your off to a decent start in this parents eyes

Oh man, I should of tried out they list kids by numbers here on website. Give me a break know you can tell which kid only showed up once and got invite. Good luck to all of you your gonna need it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bluefish selections are out on website...koodos to the staff for posting player numbers who made it, this was the "full disclosure" I was referring to a few weeks ago, this is the only why a parent can compare their kids play against others...if kids who didn't 't stand out over their own kids make it, at least it all out there to see, and the consoling is made easier, integrity asked for and received, .good luck all, your off to a decent start in this parents eyes

Who looks at other kids numbers ..I can't even remember my own sons number so your point makes no sense

Some do remember numbers of kids competing with their kids.

I have to remember to bring pen and paper to a tryout next year and write the number of all the kids who were better then my son .. But I guess in your case the answer is none so no need

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bluefish selections are out on website...koodos to the staff for posting player numbers who made it, this was the "full disclosure" I was referring to a few weeks ago, this is the only why a parent can compare their kids play against others...if kids who didn't 't stand out over their own kids make it, at least it all out there to see, and the consoling is made easier, integrity asked for and received, .good luck all, your off to a decent start in this parents eyes

I guess your kid made it. Do you think no other club posts the tryout piney #'s on the website ? You must be new ? I'm glad your happy. More importantly , I hope your son is happy.

hey, I agree. I always commit to memory a few of the numbers of the standout kids, strengths and weaknesses and then ultimately look to see if they accepted spot or not, your business if your just passively spending your time and $$$ at these tryouts...sizing up the competition is part of sports, getting a feel for who is skilled or not and how to approach playing them at the next tryout date is how your kid produces an edge for himself...or maybe just wing it and hope for the best is your plan for success? Solid preparation there...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hey, I agree. I always commit to memory a few of the numbers of the standout kids, strengths and weaknesses and then ultimately look to see if they accepted spot or not, your business if your just passively spending your time and $$$ at these tryouts...sizing up the competition is part of sports, getting a feel for who is skilled or not and how to approach playing them at the next tryout date is how your kid produces an edge for himself...or maybe just wing it and hope for the best is your plan for success? Solid preparation there...

That's a nice sarcastic answer I love it..you put him in his place

It is just a game people!! A very small part of life!! You people take this way to seriously!! How about letting the kids play a sport and have fun with it. Scholarships?? They are very far and few between and if you are lucky enough to get one it is for a fraction of the cost of a year of college. Some of you spend more money (thousands) trying to get one that you could have used all that money for college. How about academic scholarship? A lot cheaper.

Any information on Revolution

Their website has them having 1 more tryout for 2019 team this weekend and they say they have a few spots still open. Goalie, LSM and midfield.

ANY 2019 LONG ISLAND COMMITS YET.?

Do either of these teams have a good reputation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Their website has them having 1 more tryout for 2019 team this weekend and they say they have a few spots still open. Goalie, LSM and midfield.

Are these positions needed for their A or B team.does anyone know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is just a game people!! A very small part of life!! You people take this way to seriously!! How about letting the kids play a sport and have fun with it. Scholarships?? They are very far and few between and if you are lucky enough to get one it is for a fraction of the cost of a year of college. Some of you spend more money (thousands) trying to get one that you could have used all that money for college. How about academic scholarship? A lot cheaper.

At 2019, I think we can all agree that it does take on more importance. Even if not from getting recruited, but also from the view of HS participation. Doesn't every freshman want to make the Team and then make varsity?

My son went to this last year and here is my take on the event - do with it what you will. At this age it is a bit of a money grab but it cant hurt your son to go; it can only help. He is not going to get scratched off some master recruiting list if he doesn't get picked for JR. If you have the money, go. If you cant really afford to take this trip than my advice is not to sweat missing it. In the interest of full disclosure, my son did not get picked for JR, but he has been selected for other events and is already being recruited (very early stages) for d1. He was an undersized defenseman when he went down there (still is, a bit), and this event wants the poles to be big and super-athletic and not necessarily skilled if they are going to send them to JR at this age. Not a single pole on my son's team got selected for JR, yet he and several others on his team D are all going on recruiting visits for D1 programs this fall, so don't think you are hurting your son's chances if you feel he hasn't hit his spurt yet and want to hold off. Lots of 15 year olds will be down there - trust me. So here are some things to consider from someone who was there: 1) the overwhelming majority of kids who get selected to JR are nominated by their HS coaches. This event only sends a smaller percentage
2)there will be some great players there, and some kids who were done a disservice by being registered by daddy. 3) it is extremely well organized and well run but the drills are very offensively focused and quite frankly, oversold on the info page. They didn't do half of what they said. 4) if you play for 3D, you have a great shot at making JR (that is the only cynical thing I will say) 5) there are several team venues for recruiting coming up in your son's future including adrenaline cup, nxt invitational, as well as individual showcases such as freshman showcase (next year for your boy) and some great ;local ones to introduce him to the showcase format, so don't sweat it and try not to get caught up in the rat race. 6) it will be a typical showcase-type event - no passing and silly shots (tough on attackmen). 7) if you really want to go, and are driven to have your boy get selected to JR, then hedge your bet and go with a weaker region- a lot of kids did this. It isn't cheating per se, but you really do want your kid to be measured against the more skilled players. that will serve him better in the long run
In conclusion, if you have the throw-away money, go. it cant hurt. but neither will abstaining until he develops a bit. Good luck and I hope this helps

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any 2019 parents on here who took their son down to Florida for 3d Blue Chip last year? I have a 2020 and am wondering if 8th grade is silly to spend the time and $$$ traveling for this. Any insights or advice would be appreciated.

P.S. My son is a good player on an "A" team but is age-appropriate and really hasn't hit his growth spurt yet.

We went last year and I though tit was a waste of time. My son's club team played all of the top teams this past summer so comparisons were made then. I will not take my 2021 son down in the future. Just my experience.

Revolution looking for a few players for AA. Also looking for players for both A & B teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Their website has them having 1 more tryout for 2019 team this weekend and they say they have a few spots still open. Goalie, LSM and midfield.

Are these positions needed for their A or B team.does anyone know?

Check out their tryout flyer on this site or go to the website. the specific positions for LSM, Goalie and midfield are for their Red team(AA) and then their second team says they have open positions but none are listed so I am assuming all positions might be available.

Surprised they did not fill teams yet? Guess everyone waited for Bluefish first?

Anybody play for Revolution 2019 last year? Any thoughts...good experience?

We played them last year and seemed real solid. But heard they lost their best player to 91. And the year before that lost their other best player to 91. Lol. Sucks that 91 grabs these players from them. I guess they develop their boys good enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody play for Revolution 2019 last year? Any thoughts...good experience?

Sounds like your looking to start trouble with that question..yes there were some problems and issues but everything was handled in a way to help make sure the organization was fine. Let's leave it at that

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody play for Revolution 2019 last year? Any thoughts...good experience?

Sounds like your looking to start trouble with that question..yes there were some problems and issues but everything was handled in a way to help make sure the organization was fine. Let's leave it at that

Wow - that escalated quickly...someone's sensitive...

Wow?? Really didn't want to start trouble just asking for thoughts? Still looking for a team. I guess that is a sensitive topic for you. My apology. Good luck.

I guess it also depends on whether you get invited to Jake Reed, as 3D Blue Chip is a stepping stone to that venue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow?? Really didn't want to start trouble just asking for thoughts? Still looking for a team. I guess that is a sensitive topic for you. My apology. Good luck.

Your question was perfectly acceptable. The response was one of someone with paranoid schizophrenia apparently.
Someone will surely have some experience with that club and hopefully respond.
One of the benefits of registering is that you can receive PM's from us and other members and not have to wade through the lunatic responses. Good luck!!

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow?? Really didn't want to start trouble just asking for thoughts? Still looking for a team. I guess that is a sensitive topic for you. My apology. Good luck.

Your question was perfectly acceptable. The response was one of someone with paranoid schizophrenia apparently.
Someone will surely have some experience with that club and hopefully respond.
One of the benefits of registering is that you can receive PM's from us and other members and not have to wade through the lunatic responses. Good luck!!

Honest response- played last 2 years with revolution and team has added and lost some players(2 kids went to other programs). Team had informal practice and they are much stronger than they have ever been. I am happy my son got the invite again this year. players will come and go but they were able to add a lot of talent and good kids. my son is very excited. Good luck to all the boys and hope everyone lands on the team they want.
I recommend you come down to tryouts and see for yourself and talk to coaches and director. they are very upfront and don't sidestep any questions.

Most teams should be full already so you may have to go down and tryout if you aren't already on a team. See what they have to offer. This year and next is pretty critical in having your son show his lacrosse talent. Team may not be what you want but your down to slim pickings

We were at the Revolution practice. They will have a very good team. Going to surprise a lot of teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We were at the Revolution practice. They will have a very good team. Going to surprise a lot of teams.

teams from out of state you mean

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We were at the Revolution practice. They will have a very good team. Going to surprise a lot of teams.

teams from out of state you mean

Give it a rest. Just go home and hug your family.I am tired of everyone bashing everybody else on this team and the other 20 teams. Just wish them Good luck and be done with it

May I ask what team your son was on? Red, white or Blue?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

May I ask what team your son was on? Red, white or Blue?

He is on the red team

Really ,commits yet. Let your kid enjoy his first two weeks of h.s..

Not a great experience.

If you think they are developing kids at 14 years old then there is a problem. Most kids at that age are where they need to be. What travel A team is still developing kids at this stage of the game? Doesn't say much for the organization that they are developing kids and are an A team. The kid that left went to 91 because he was looking to go ivy league or to a top D1 school. He has geeat academic skills as well as lax skills. Great athlete and hard worker. Don't let them make you think they developed him. His parents wanted to get him to go to top recruiting tournaments. Trust me not many kids going to D1 schools with the complete package. He's one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son went to this last year and here is my take on the event - do with it what you will. At this age it is a bit of a money grab but it cant hurt your son to go; it can only help. He is not going to get scratched off some master recruiting list if he doesn't get picked for JR. If you have the money, go. If you cant really afford to take this trip than my advice is not to sweat missing it. In the interest of full disclosure, my son did not get picked for JR, but he has been selected for other events and is already being recruited (very early stages) for d1. He was an undersized defenseman when he went down there (still is, a bit), and this event wants the poles to be big and super-athletic and not necessarily skilled if they are going to send them to JR at this age. Not a single pole on my son's team got selected for JR, yet he and several others on his team D are all going on recruiting visits for D1 programs this fall, so don't think you are hurting your son's chances if you feel he hasn't hit his spurt yet and want to hold off. Lots of 15 year olds will be down there - trust me. So here are some things to consider from someone who was there: 1) the overwhelming majority of kids who get selected to JR are nominated by their HS coaches. This event only sends a smaller percentage
2)there will be some great players there, and some kids who were done a disservice by being registered by daddy. 3) it is extremely well organized and well run but the drills are very offensively focused and quite frankly, oversold on the info page. They didn't do half of what they said. 4) if you play for 3D, you have a great shot at making JR (that is the only cynical thing I will say) 5) there are several team venues for recruiting coming up in your son's future including adrenaline cup, nxt invitational, as well as individual showcases such as freshman showcase (next year for your boy) and some great ;local ones to introduce him to the showcase format, so don't sweat it and try not to get caught up in the rat race. 6) it will be a typical showcase-type event - no passing and silly shots (tough on attackmen). 7) if you really want to go, and are driven to have your boy get selected to JR, then hedge your bet and go with a weaker region- a lot of kids did this. It isn't cheating per se, but you really do want your kid to be measured against the more skilled players. that will serve him better in the long run
In conclusion, if you have the throw-away money, go. it cant hurt. but neither will abstaining until he develops a bit. Good luck and I hope this helps

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any 2019 parents on here who took their son down to Florida for 3d Blue Chip last year? I have a 2020 and am wondering if 8th grade is silly to spend the time and $$$ traveling for this. Any insights or advice would be appreciated.

P.S. My son is a good player on an "A" team but is age-appropriate and really hasn't hit his growth spurt yet.

We went last year and I though tit was a waste of time. My son's club team played all of the top teams this past summer so comparisons were made then. I will not take my 2021 son down in the future. Just my experience.

If you got an invitation to Showtime, do not go to Jake reed. Much better exposure, and local.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think they are developing kids at 14 years old then there is a problem. Most kids at that age are where they need to be. What travel A team is still developing kids at this stage of the game? Doesn't say much for the organization that they are developing kids and are an A team. The kid that left went to 91 because he was looking to go ivy league or to a top D1 school. He has geeat academic skills as well as lax skills. Great athlete and hard worker. Don't let them make you think they developed him. His parents wanted to get him to go to top recruiting tournaments. Trust me not many kids going to D1 schools with the complete package. He's one.

You obviously know nothing about lacrosse and most likely have gotten involved for the first time because your kid plays.

Some of the best D1 players of all time were late bloomers who didn't get "great" until Junior or senior year. These players became Hall of Famers. They certainly were not "where they need to be" at 14!

The travesty in today's crazy lacrosse mindset is that everyone thinks they know what a kid is going to be when he enters college when he is 13 or 14. That is completely insane and anyone who knows lacrosse knows this to be ridiculous.

Give Kevin Finneran a call and ask him what his talent level was when he was a junior at Holy Trinity. He wasn't a starter! He became one of the greatest player in lacrosse history!! Google him if you care to.

So relax with the speculation and opinions on who you feel is the best 4th grader or the best 8th grader because the kid you deem the worst may someday squash your little all star.

Excellent response. I got scared for a minute there thinking that my 14 year old was as developed as he was ever going to get - whew. I guess this guy has never heard of Myles Jones from Duke either. He was still being developed in college and is now one of the most feared midfielders in college lacrosse because of his improved stick skills which now make him a multi-threat player. I guess this guy's kid was one of those kids that hit puberty at 11 or 12 - watch out my friend, Mother nature has a way of evening up the playing field a couple of years down the road!

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think they are developing kids at 14 years old then there is a problem. Most kids at that age are where they need to be. What travel A team is still developing kids at this stage of the game? Doesn't say much for the organization that they are developing kids and are an A team. The kid that left went to 91 because he was looking to go ivy league or to a top D1 school. He has geeat academic skills as well as lax skills. Great athlete and hard worker. Don't let them make you think they developed him. His parents wanted to get him to go to top recruiting tournaments. Trust me not many kids going to D1 schools with the complete package. He's one.

You obviously know nothing about lacrosse and most likely have gotten involved for the first time because your kid plays.

Some of the best D1 players of all time were late bloomers who didn't get "great" until Junior or senior year. These players became Hall of Famers. They certainly were not "where they need to be" at 14!

The travesty in today's crazy lacrosse mindset is that everyone thinks they know what a kid is going to be when he enters college when he is 13 or 14. That is completely insane and anyone who knows lacrosse knows this to be ridiculous.

Give Kevin Finneran a call and ask him what his talent level was when he was a junior at Holy Trinity. He wasn't a starter! He became one of the greatest player in lacrosse history!! Google him if you care to.

So relax with the speculation and opinions on who you feel is the best 4th grader or the best 8th grader because the kid you deem the worst may someday squash your little all star.

Well said!! So many kids do not peak until 11th and 12th grade! We are asking our kids to know what they want to do with their lives when they have barely started high school. Its getting out of control!

That was an awesome response! Well said!

My son went last year and just got invited directly from 3D Bluechip to come back. Did everyone who went last year and wasn't picked for Jake Reed get invited back again ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We went last year and it was a great experience plus you can see where you kids stands with the best kids side by side. They onlt take about 1/2 the kids from Bluechip camp in Florida to Jake Reeds camp, the other 1/2 are direct invite thru coached recommendations.
We did not get an an invite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any 2019 parents on here who took their son down to Florida for 3d Blue Chip last year? I have a 2020 and am wondering if 8th grade is silly to spend the time and $$$ traveling for this. Any insights or advice would be appreciated.

P.S. My son is a good player on an "A" team but is age-appropriate and really hasn't hit his growth spurt yet.

Of course you were invited back..show me the money...sucker

This is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read on this website. If you have a son who is 14 and you're not telling them they've still got a long road ahead, you're doing them a complete disservice as a parent.

B, A, AA, AAA - it doesn't matter. If your son has aspirations on playing at the highest level, guess what. DEVELOPMENT WILL NEVER STOP. The GRIND continues until the day they walk of campus. That's the mindset your kid will need to succeed in today's lacrosse environment.

If my 13 or 14 year old kid said "hey dad, my coach said I'm good to go and developed as a lacrosse player, I've got nothing left to learn since I start on our super fabulous AA team!" I would literally laugh out loud. Then I'd find a new team to play for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think they are developing kids at 14 years old then there is a problem. Most kids at that age are where they need to be. What travel A team is still developing kids at this stage of the game? Doesn't say much for the organization that they are developing kids and are an A team. The kid that left went to 91 because he was looking to go ivy league or to a top D1 school. He has geeat academic skills as well as lax skills. Great athlete and hard worker. Don't let them make you think they developed him. His parents wanted to get him to go to top recruiting tournaments. Trust me not many kids going to D1 schools with the complete package. He's one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read on this website. If you have a son who is 14 and you're not telling them they've still got a long road ahead, you're doing them a complete disservice as a parent.

B, A, AA, AAA - it doesn't matter. If your son has aspirations on playing at the highest level, guess what. DEVELOPMENT WILL NEVER STOP. The GRIND continues until the day they walk of campus. That's the mindset your kid will need to succeed in today's lacrosse environment.

If my 13 or 14 year old kid said "hey dad, my coach said I'm good to go and developed as a lacrosse player, I've got nothing left to learn since I start on our super fabulous AA team!" I would literally laugh out loud. Then I'd find a new team to play for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think they are developing kids at 14 years old then there is a problem. Most kids at that age are where they need to be. What travel A team is still developing kids at this stage of the game? Doesn't say much for the organization that they are developing kids and are an A team. The kid that left went to 91 because he was looking to go ivy league or to a top D1 school. He has geeat academic skills as well as lax skills. Great athlete and hard worker. Don't let them make you think they developed him. His parents wanted to get him to go to top recruiting tournaments. Trust me not many kids going to D1 schools with the complete package. He's one.

I couldn't agree more. The original poster is a complete moron and deserves whatever disappointment that looms if this is truly how they think. Buffoon!!

Agreed just like golf and tennis. real lifestyle sports. you never stop learning, getting better, improving to your ever changing body and mind.

life is an ever developing thing. you need to learn something everday, even if simple.

I'm sure you don't even have a kid playing lacrosse anymore, go back under your rock....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course you were invited back..show me the money...sucker

Not sure about "everyone" but my son went last year, did not make JR and was invited back again to 3D.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son went last year and just got invited directly from 3D Bluechip to come back. Did everyone who went last year and wasn't picked for Jake Reed get invited back again ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We went last year and it was a great experience plus you can see where you kids stands with the best kids side by side. They onlt take about 1/2 the kids from Bluechip camp in Florida to Jake Reeds camp, the other 1/2 are direct invite thru coached recommendations.
We did not get an an invite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any 2019 parents on here who took their son down to Florida for 3d Blue Chip last year? I have a 2020 and am wondering if 8th grade is silly to spend the time and $$$ traveling for this. Any insights or advice would be appreciated.

P.S. My son is a good player on an "A" team but is age-appropriate and really hasn't hit his growth spurt yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son went last year and just got invited directly from 3D Bluechip to come back. Did everyone who went last year and wasn't picked for Jake Reed get invited back again ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We went last year and it was a great experience plus you can see where you kids stands with the best kids side by side. They onlt take about 1/2 the kids from Bluechip camp in Florida to Jake Reeds camp, the other 1/2 are direct invite thru coached recommendations.
We did not get an an invite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any 2019 parents on here who took their son down to Florida for 3d Blue Chip last year? I have a 2020 and am wondering if 8th grade is silly to spend the time and $$$ traveling for this. Any insights or advice would be appreciated.

P.S. My son is a good player on an "A" team but is age-appropriate and really hasn't hit his growth spurt yet.

Yes - I actually spoke with the 3d Camps Director on Tuesday, and they use the list from the prior year, along with coach recommendations. He had the list from last year, and asked if I had any additional players to add.

My friends son went to 3D in Florida didn't make JR and wasn't invited back

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure about "everyone" but my son went last year, did not make JR and was invited back again to 3D.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son went last year and just got invited directly from 3D Bluechip to come back. Did everyone who went last year and wasn't picked for Jake Reed get invited back again ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We went last year and it was a great experience plus you can see where you kids stands with the best kids side by side. They onlt take about 1/2 the kids from Bluechip camp in Florida to Jake Reeds camp, the other 1/2 are direct invite thru coached recommendations.
We did not get an an invite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any 2019 parents on here who took their son down to Florida for 3d Blue Chip last year? I have a 2020 and am wondering if 8th grade is silly to spend the time and $$$ traveling for this. Any insights or advice would be appreciated.

P.S. My son is a good player on an "A" team but is age-appropriate and really hasn't hit his growth spurt yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm sure you don't even have a kid playing lacrosse anymore, go back under your rock....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course you were invited back..show me the money...sucker

Jake Reed=Money grab
Ask any of the top coaches and they will tell you that this showcase has dropped off over the last few years. If you are able to get into Showtime, it is much better run and attended by the top programs.

First off I'm playing you. Second kids will learn new things and yes some mature earlier then others. You can always learn new things. It's something that the parent had to be realistic about. If your kid has two left feet then I'm sure he's not going to be this stud. I'm sure these guys were good athlete's when they were younger. When people write things on this site,you h s ve to talk like a child. Do you really think people are that stupid. Listen to yourself. It's lax people. He's feared in college lax, wow. Am I supposed to be impressed. Big deal. What's more important, that he is the leading scorer in college lax or the most feared in college or that he helped change someone's life or he is an executive of some big company. It's people like you that puts lax ahead of academics. You hardly hear people talk about the importance of school over any sport. You just got played and showed how stupid you can be. Think next time.

I posed the original question about doing 3d Blue Chip with your 8th grader. Thanks very much to all who took the time to respond and offer their insights and advice!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My friends son went to 3D in Florida didn't make JR and wasn't invited back

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure about "everyone" but my son went last year, did not make JR and was invited back again to 3D.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son went last year and just got invited directly from 3D Bluechip to come back. Did everyone who went last year and wasn't picked for Jake Reed get invited back again ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We went last year and it was a great experience plus you can see where you kids stands with the best kids side by side. They onlt take about 1/2 the kids from Bluechip camp in Florida to Jake Reeds camp, the other 1/2 are direct invite thru coached recommendations.
We did not get an an invite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any 2019 parents on here who took their son down to Florida for 3d Blue Chip last year? I have a 2020 and am wondering if 8th grade is silly to spend the time and $$$ traveling for this. Any insights or advice would be appreciated.

P.S. My son is a good player on an "A" team but is age-appropriate and really hasn't hit his growth spurt yet.

I guarantee that every single player that was at the camp last year will be asked back. This is a money maker and they would never turn away a family that is willing to pay!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think they are developing kids at 14 years old then there is a problem. Most kids at that age are where they need to be. What travel A team is still developing kids at this stage of the game? Doesn't say much for the organization that they are developing kids and are an A team. The kid that left went to 91 because he was looking to go ivy league or to a top D1 school. He has geeat academic skills as well as lax skills. Great athlete and hard worker. Don't let them make you think they developed him. His parents wanted to get him to go to top recruiting tournaments. Trust me not many kids going to D1 schools with the complete package. He's one.

Quite honestly, this might be the dumbest post I have ever read on here. And that is saying something...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think they are developing kids at 14 years old then there is a problem. Most kids at that age are where they need to be. What travel A team is still developing kids at this stage of the game? Doesn't say much for the organization that they are developing kids and are an A team. The kid that left went to 91 because he was looking to go ivy league or to a top D1 school. He has geeat academic skills as well as lax skills. Great athlete and hard worker. Don't let them make you think they developed him. His parents wanted to get him to go to top recruiting tournaments. Trust me not many kids going to D1 schools with the complete package. He's one.

Quite honestly, this might be the dumbest post I have ever read on here. And that is saying something...

All the original guy was saying was that 91 had taken two of its top players from Revo and that they developed over the years there and are now playing at a higher level.thats all

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm sure you don't even have a kid playing lacrosse anymore, go back under your rock....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course you were invited back..show me the money...sucker

Jake Reed=Money grab
Ask any of the top coaches and they will tell you that this showcase has dropped off over the last few years. If you are able to get into Showtime, it is much better run and attended by the top programs.

And your inside information comes from which DI program? Your statement is simply not true. My son did not go to JR and I do have DI inside info that supports the DI coaches using it as a recruiting ground.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think they are developing kids at 14 years old then there is a problem. Most kids at that age are where they need to be. What travel A team is still developing kids at this stage of the game? Doesn't say much for the organization that they are developing kids and are an A team. The kid that left went to 91 because he was looking to go ivy league or to a top D1 school. He has geeat academic skills as well as lax skills. Great athlete and hard worker. Don't let them make you think they developed him. His parents wanted to get him to go to top recruiting tournaments. Trust me not many kids going to D1 schools with the complete package. He's one.

If you think college lacrosse players are not developing every day you are wrong. They work incredibly hard and develop and refine their skill set. High school players do as well. To say a pubescent 14 year old is fully developed as an athlete is an uneducated and frankly moronic statement. It shows your lack of knowledge regarding the sport and your misguided skill set as a parent of an athlete.

Athletes of all levels, be it 14 year olds, 18 year olds, 21 year olds, or professional athletes are always improving and growing as players if they are committed to their sport and respect the knowledge that they can always improve and always get better. It is those athletes who do not think they need to or they can improve who do not.

So do your child a favor and tell him in all areas of his life, he should work hard and strive to get to the next level, both on and off the field, and you'll have a superstar on your hands, and I don't mean just as an athlete, I mean the whole package.

In my years of sports I know things have changed, there was always the red shirt. Now they have a Blue shirt. I think this fits many of our minds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think they are developing kids at 14 years old then there is a problem. Most kids at that age are where they need to be. What travel A team is still developing kids at this stage of the game? Doesn't say much for the organization that they are developing kids and are an A team. The kid that left went to 91 because he was looking to go ivy league or to a top D1 school. He has geeat academic skills as well as lax skills. Great athlete and hard worker. Don't let them make you think they developed him. His parents wanted to get him to go to top recruiting tournaments. Trust me not many kids going to D1 schools with the complete package. He's one.

If you think college lacrosse players are not developing every day you are wrong. They work incredibly hard and develop and refine their skill set. High school players do as well. To say a pubescent 14 year old is fully developed as an athlete is an uneducated and frankly moronic statement. It shows your lack of knowledge regarding the sport and your misguided skill set as a parent of an athlete.

Athletes of all levels, be it 14 year olds, 18 year olds, 21 year olds, or professional athletes are always improving and growing as players if they are committed to their sport and respect the knowledge that they can always improve and always get better. It is those athletes who do not think they need to or they can improve who do not.

So do your child a favor and tell him in all areas of his life, he should work hard and strive to get to the next level, both on and off the field, and you'll have a superstar on your hands, and I don't mean just as an athlete, I mean the whole package.

Great post. This is also why parents should put more stock into the coaching and how their son fits into the team (he should be a key part of the team) instead of worrying about AA, A, B, or the program name. Try to pick a program with one or two teams max at the age group, where your son will get attention & high level coaching where he can DEVELOP, as he heads into the recruiting years. We just picked a program with one team, over an offer from a big program that might end up with 3 or possibly 4 teams where he might get lost. If your son's an absolute stud this obviously wouldn't apply!

Did bluefish take any Players from the top 2019 teams at express or 91 or revo?

I suspect a bunch of TRue Blue and Igloo kids are a big component of the Buefish.

Revo ?

Please don't use revo in the same sentence as 91 and Express when referring to top 2019 teams, seriously, come on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did bluefish take any Players from the top 2019 teams at express or 91 or revo?

I suspect a bunch of TRue Blue and Igloo kids are a big component of the Buefish.

Are you talking about the Revo team that now calls one of their teams AAA elite .the same team last year that was an A team . Saw this and thought it was very funny. What showcases did the AAA elite Revo team get invited to this fall or at least are going to? Trying to see if they are at the big ones coming up and playing Orange or Express

I suspect many of you....no most of you never played any type of organized sports at any level other than pee wee. Probably drama club and band kids. Nothing wrong with that, but it is incredibly apparent. Sorry for your insecurities, your sons will thank you for living through them. Good luck drama queens.

If kids develop at different ages why would Jake Reed just invite kids back . Couldn't their skills have diminished and they would be wasting their time going . Why does a coach recommend 1 year and then not the next?. The more you invite the more that go .. So yes it's a money grab opportunity without a doubt. You keep paying to get to Maryland that's all . Kudos to them for coming up with a way to make money

Is Tierney coaching a 2019 Bkuefish team ?a

Are D1 prospect days worth attending? UVA MD UNC DUKE MI ND all conducting this fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Tierney coaching a 2019 Bkuefish team ?a

Go to the website its posted who the coaches are for the team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are D1 prospect days worth attending? UVA MD UNC DUKE MI ND all conducting this fall.

They are worth attending if you have vetted the interest level in your son. Has your club coach spoken with the coaching staff? Are they truly interested? If yes, then definitely attend. Otherwise, you are taking a complete flyer... Which is fine, if it's a dream school and your trying to get on their radar. If not, then you're just supporting the program with your $175 donation.

Allen is coaching a 2020 team. I don't see Tierney coaching a 2019 team. would take either of them as a coach though..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did bluefish take any Players from the top 2019 teams at express or 91 or revo?

I suspect a bunch of TRue Blue and Igloo kids are a big component of the Buefish.

Are you talking about the Revo team that now calls one of their teams AAA elite .the same team last year that was an A team . Saw this and thought it was very funny. What showcases did the AAA elite Revo team get invited to this fall or at least are going to? Trying to see if they are at the big ones coming up and playing Orange or Express

Take it easy... Just mentioning several teams with high end players. Don't get you panties in a bunch. Could have mentioned other "A AA" type teams.

How about you answer the question....any defections from EXP, 91, Revo (or any other top quality team) to the new Bluefish?

There were some new additions to the top teams at EXP and 91, so naturally we could expect some roster shake ups with the new additions. Teams don't just add players they replace them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did bluefish take any Players from the top 2019 teams at express or 91 or revo?

I suspect a bunch of TRue Blue and Igloo kids are a big component of the Buefish.

Are you talking about the Revo team that now calls one of their teams AAA elite .the same team last year that was an A team . Saw this and thought it was very funny. What showcases did the AAA elite Revo team get invited to this fall or at least are going to? Trying to see if they are at the big ones coming up and playing Orange or Express

Take it easy... Just mentioning several teams with high end players. Don't get you panties in a bunch. Could have mentioned other "A AA" type teams.

How about you answer the question....any defections from EXP, 91, Revo (or any other top quality team) to the new Bluefish?

There were some new additions to the top teams at EXP and 91, so naturally we could expect some roster shake ups with the new additions. Teams don't just add players they replace them.

Pretty big move to go from express and 91 to bluefish so I don't see it mattering much

Are you serious about revo calling themselves elite? If so what did they do last year to be and elite team? If they were elite then why would they let some kids go and some leave? Are you sure they said that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you serious about revo calling themselves elite? If so what did they do last year to be and elite team? If they were elite then why would they let some kids go and some leave? Are you sure they said that?

Lets be clear, they never called themselves elite, the term they use is Select. Get your gosh darn info right. They are doing a team that will be doing showcases(showcases that are going to be good for 9th graders. most kids are not ready to get verbals and looked at but it is a start).
Every year parents get upset when their kid doesnt make a team and they start bashing. I have to say it stinks when kids get let go, no one likes to cut kids.
each year someone comes on here and has negative things to say and every year this team takes the high road and tries to keep things positive. Parents that are on the team or have joined the team have nothing but positive things to say. This year 2 players left and they were good kids who wanted to see what they can do with other programs, there was no mass exodus like other programs. How can you continually try to bash them. No one is saying Elite or watch out 91 or express.

Why don't you tell us what team your son plays for and then we can compare or maybe meet up in a tournament or scrimmage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you serious about revo calling themselves elite? If so what did they do last year to be and elite team? If they were elite then why would they let some kids go and some leave? Are you sure they said that?

Lets be clear, they never called themselves elite, the term they use is Select. Get your gosh darn info right. They are doing a team that will be doing showcases(showcases that are going to be good for 9th graders. most kids are not ready to get verbals and looked at but it is a start).
Every year parents get upset when their kid doesnt make a team and they start bashing. I have to say it stinks when kids get let go, no one likes to cut kids.
each year someone comes on here and has negative things to say and every year this team takes the high road and tries to keep things positive. Parents that are on the team or have joined the team have nothing but positive things to say. This year 2 players left and they were good kids who wanted to see what they can do with other programs, there was no mass exodus like other programs. How can you continually try to bash them. No one is saying Elite or watch out 91 or express.

Why don't you tell us what team your son plays for and then we can compare or maybe meet up in a tournament or scrimmage.

No mass exodus but you certainly let other kids go pretty easy . No loyalty and I get it but don't make yourself out to be the end all to be all. How many new kids from last year

I say do not call it anything until you do something to prove that you are a true select team. Anybody can call themselves select so it really doesn't mean anything. So now that you are a select team which showcases will you do? Has your team ever beaten 91 or epress? Just asking not bashing your team. Like the other guy said why would your team let select kids go. The good teams don't usually let their own kids go. Don't they keep them together in order to keep them in sink ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I say do not call it anything until you do something to prove that you are a true select team. Anybody can call themselves select so it really doesn't mean anything. So now that you are a select team which showcases will you do? Has your team ever beaten 91 or epress? Just asking not bashing your team. Like the other guy said why would your team let select kids go. The good teams don't usually let their own kids go. Don't they keep them together in order to keep them in sink ?

Wow, good teams dont let their select kids go? really? I believe every team out there has let kids go. Every team has picked up new kids, I guess its ok for them and by the way we lost to Express by 1, white by 1 and legacy by 1. I would say that is not bad for a team that has been formed less than 3 years ago.

Be honest, no matter what happens you will always have negative things to say. I am guessing your son was one of those SELECT kids that were let go. I think it is time for you to let it go-

They won't answer. Trust me on that. Watch them back peddle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did bluefish take any Players from the top 2019 teams at express or 91?

I suspect a bunch of TRue Blue and Igloo kids are a big component of the Buefish.

I heard Blue Fish picked up some strong players and they are going to be a team that will compete with the big boys. Parents are talking about how deep they are in several positions. heard they did pick up good players from several teams

uh.....it's PEDAL, not peddle. Obviously not an ELITE or SELECT speller.

First off it's in "synch", in sink has a totally different meaning. Secondly the Express purged quite a few 2 years ago and were better off for doing so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I say do not call it anything until you do something to prove that you are a true select team. Anybody can call themselves select so it really doesn't mean anything. So now that you are a select team which showcases will you do? Has your team ever beaten 91 or epress? Just asking not bashing your team. Like the other guy said why would your team let select kids go. The good teams don't usually let their own kids go. Don't they keep them together in order to keep them in sink ?

First of all the you meant "in sync" not "in sink", that means something completely different. Express had a much bigger purge 2 years ago and they were better off, and from what I heard Revo only let go of 4 players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I say do not call it anything until you do something to prove that you are a true select team. Anybody can call themselves select so it really doesn't mean anything. So now that you are a select team which showcases will you do? Has your team ever beaten 91 or epress? Just asking not bashing your team. Like the other guy said why would your team let select kids go. The good teams don't usually let their own kids go. Don't they keep them together in order to keep them in sink ?

So I know of 3 select kids - One from True Blue and one from fl$ and one from Igloo each to express

If that is the case, where did the select kids that held those spots previously end up playing?
It was said earlier that 4 revo kids moved on... to what org?

Also with an influx of talent on the market, where did the rest of the Igloo, True Blue, Legacy and fl$ players end up?

I think that is why Bluefish got some real talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So I know of 3 select kids - One from True Blue and one from fl$ and one from Igloo each to express

If that is the case, where did the select kids that held those spots previously end up playing?
It was said earlier that 4 revo kids moved on... to what org?

Also with an influx of talent on the market, where did the rest of the Igloo, True Blue, Legacy and fl$ players end up?

I think that is why Bluefish got some real talent.

What 4 Revo kids moved on ..I know only 2 left on their own

Blue fish brought in a mix of every team. It's like a melting pot of long island. Good luck to them this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So I know of 3 select kids - One from True Blue and one from fl$ and one from Igloo each to express

If that is the case, where did the select kids that held those spots previously end up playing?
It was said earlier that 4 revo kids moved on... to what org?

Also with an influx of talent on the market, where did the rest of the Igloo, True Blue, Legacy and fl$ players end up?

I think that is why Bluefish got some real talent.

What 4 Revo kids moved on ..I know only 2 left on their own

Thanks . You are right . That we my mistake. I meant 2 revo not 4.

Can anyone explain what LI Sting is?

Is it different from regular travel teams in that it does only showcases and it also recruits from other parts of the country?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain what LI Sting is?

Is it different from regular travel teams in that it does only showcases and it also recruits from other parts of the country?

Excellent option for strong player with decent grades. They put teams in tournaments and team showcase events. Team has big following with college coaching ranks. Many, many college recruits over the years. (like my son)Call KM the Director. He also does recruiting consulting. They get into some top events in Fall and Summer.

Good morning 2019 parents, looking for an opinion on Inside Lacrosse Mid-Atlantic Prospect Day. Son received an invite, wondering what the thoughts are from those who have EXPERIENCE with it not just an OPINION about it. TIA

[quote=Anonymous]So I know of 3 select kids - One from True Blue and one from fl$ and one from Igloo each to express

If that is the case, where did the select kids that held those spots previously end up playing?
It was said earlier that 4 revo kids moved on... to what org?

Also with an influx of talent on the market, where did the rest of the Igloo, True Blue, Legacy and fl$ players end up?

What Select kids played for True Blue, fl$ or Igloo . I think you use the word Select very loosely

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good morning 2019 parents, looking for an opinion on Inside Lacrosse Mid-Atlantic Prospect Day. Son received an invite, wondering what the thoughts are from those who have EXPERIENCE with it not just an OPINION about it. TIA

I have not gone Or know anyone who has gone to this specific one. Have heard good things from some of their other prospect days. my son got an invite, registered and he is attending. Giving it a shot and see how it goes.

Worse case it is a day of lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What Select kids played for True Blue, fl$ or Igloo . I think you use the word Select very loosely

Thanks for sharing what you "think". I asked what you know.

Could you really be that judgmental and condescending and stubbornly closed minded as to imply that not one kid on any of those TB, fl$, Rev or Igloo teams could possibly be "select"?

Come on! Everyone knows there were some really good select players on those teams (Brine NLC, Jake Reed, etc. type players).

One kid definitely took a spot on the express A.

The question was simple where did the other "select players" from those teams end up and how many moved from one of the big 2 top teams to Bluefish or got displaced to another team?

If you don't have the answer or can't provide facts... don't bother chiming in with what you "think".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good morning 2019 parents, looking for an opinion on Inside Lacrosse Mid-Atlantic Prospect Day. Son received an invite, wondering what the thoughts are from those who have EXPERIENCE with it not just an OPINION about it. TIA

I have not gone Or know anyone who has gone to this specific one. Have heard good things from some of their other prospect days. my son got an invite, registered and he is attending. Giving it a shot and see how it goes.

Worse case it is a day of lacrosse

Seems reasonable in cost. above poster is right - a day of lacrosse with possible upside.
not going conflicts with football.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good morning 2019 parents, looking for an opinion on Inside Lacrosse Mid-Atlantic Prospect Day. Son received an invite, wondering what the thoughts are from those who have EXPERIENCE with it not just an OPINION about it. TIA

Received invite as well. NCAA recruiting rules cite only the November time period as an active recruiting period. I called on this last year, I believe only the D1 coaches "working" the event as team coaches will be in attendance. I don't believe they are able to recruit from the side lines during this time period. As a result, I would be concerned about how many coaches will actually be there.

Where did all the Legacy Commando kids go after it fell apart ?? Team had some good players on it last year.. FOGO was one of the best I've ever seen..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What Select kids played for True Blue, fl$ or Igloo . I think you use the word Select very loosely

Thanks for sharing what you "think". I asked what you know.

Could you really be that judgmental and condescending and stubbornly closed minded as to imply that not one kid on any of those TB, fl$, Rev or Igloo teams could possibly be "select"?

Come on! Everyone knows there were some really good select players on those teams (Brine NLC, Jake Reed, etc. type players).

One kid definitely took a spot on the express A.

The question was simple where did the other "select players" from those teams end up and how many moved from one of the big 2 top teams to Bluefish or got displaced to another team?

If you don't have the answer or can't provide facts... don't bother chiming in with what you "think".

Two are at the organization that we can't name. Revo defenseman and attackman went there as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where did all the Legacy Commando kids go after it fell apart ?? Team had some good players on it last year.. FOGO was one of the best I've ever seen..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What Select kids played for True Blue, fl$ or Igloo . I think you use the word Select very loosely

Thanks for sharing what you "think". I asked what you know.

Could you really be that judgmental and condescending and stubbornly closed minded as to imply that not one kid on any of those TB, fl$, Rev or Igloo teams could possibly be "select"?

Come on! Everyone knows there were some really good select players on those teams (Brine NLC, Jake Reed, etc. type players).

One kid definitely took a spot on the express A.

The question was simple where did the other "select players" from those teams end up and how many moved from one of the big 2 top teams to Bluefish or got displaced to another team?

If you don't have the answer or can't provide facts... don't bother chiming in with what you "think".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where did all the Legacy Commando kids go after it fell apart ?? Team had some good players on it last year.. FOGO was one of the best I've ever seen..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What Select kids played for True Blue, fl$ or Igloo . I think you use the word Select very loosely

Thanks for sharing what you "think". I asked what you know.

Could you really be that judgmental and condescending and stubbornly closed minded as to imply that not one kid on any of those TB, fl$, Rev or Igloo teams could possibly be "select"?

Come on! Everyone knows there were some really good select players on those teams (Brine NLC, Jake Reed, etc. type players).

One kid definitely took a spot on the express A.

The question was simple where did the other "select players" from those teams end up and how many moved from one of the big 2 top teams to Bluefish or got displaced to another team?

If you don't have the answer or can't provide facts... don't bother chiming in with what you "think".

Best players went to Outlaws, including fogo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What Select kids played for True Blue, fl$ or Igloo . I think you use the word Select very loosely

Thanks for sharing what you "think". I asked what you know.

Could you really be that judgmental and condescending and stubbornly closed minded as to imply that not one kid on any of those TB, fl$, Rev or Igloo teams could possibly be "select"?

Come on! Everyone knows there were some really good select players on those teams (Brine NLC, Jake Reed, etc. type players).

One kid definitely took a spot on the express A.

The question was simple where did the other "select players" from those teams end up and how many moved from one of the big 2 top teams to Bluefish or got displaced to another team?

If you don't have the answer or can't provide facts... don't bother chiming in with what you "think".

How about this - I KNOW that there are no Select, Elite, Super Special, or whatever other term you want to use, on those teams. And that's a fact, Jack...Is that better for you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First off I'm playing you. Second kids will learn new things and yes some mature earlier then others. You can always learn new things. It's something that the parent had to be realistic about. If your kid has two left feet then I'm sure he's not going to be this stud. I'm sure these guys were good athlete's when they were younger. When people write things on this site,you h s ve to talk like a child. Do you really think people are that stupid. Listen to yourself. It's lax people. He's feared in college lax, wow. Am I supposed to be impressed. Big deal. What's more important, that he is the leading scorer in college lax or the most feared in college or that he helped change someone's life or he is an executive of some big company. It's people like you that puts lax ahead of academics. You hardly hear people talk about the importance of school over any sport. You just got played and showed how stupid you can be. Think next time.

Now that everyone pointed out what an idiot this guy is, he backtracks and said he's playing everyone. This post is actually even dumber than the last one. Let me guess, you didn't even go to college - if you did, try and get a refund on the English curriculum portion. I'm also guessing that you're not an executive in a big company - and saying "What's more important, that he is the leading scorer in college lax or the most feared in college or that he helped change someone's life or he is an executive of some big company." is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen - the two things have no correlation whatsoever, who cares about an executive in a big company? Is that supposed to impress anyone? How can you compare "changing someone's life" and "executive in a big company"? One is meaningless, and one is actually impressive. Get a clue, buddy...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm sure you don't even have a kid playing lacrosse anymore, go back under your rock....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course you were invited back..show me the money...sucker

Jake Reed=Money grab
Ask any of the top coaches and they will tell you that this showcase has dropped off over the last few years. If you are able to get into Showtime, it is much better run and attended by the top programs.

All of the showcases cost money - to call one a "money grab" over another is ignorant. Sounds like someone whose son didn't get invited to JR...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm sure you don't even have a kid playing lacrosse anymore, go back under your rock....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course you were invited back..show me the money...sucker

Jake Reed=Money grab
Ask any of the top coaches and they will tell you that this showcase has dropped off over the last few years. If you are able to get into Showtime, it is much better run and attended by the top programs.

All of the showcases cost money - to call one a "money grab" over another is ignorant. Sounds like someone whose son didn't get invited to JR...

Was invited but not going. This not only my first hand observation, but many others,as well who have other committed children. I would even recommend Nassau/Suffolk top 20 as a much better value.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where did all the Legacy Commando kids go after it fell apart ?? Team had some good players on it last year.. FOGO was one of the best I've ever seen..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What Select kids played for True Blue, fl$ or Igloo . I think you use the word Select very loosely

Thanks for sharing what you "think". I asked what you know.

Could you really be that judgmental and condescending and stubbornly closed minded as to imply that not one kid on any of those TB, fl$, Rev or Igloo teams could possibly be "select"?

Come on! Everyone knows there were some really good select players on those teams (Brine NLC, Jake Reed, etc. type players).

One kid definitely took a spot on the express A.

The question was simple where did the other "select players" from those teams end up and how many moved from one of the big 2 top teams to Bluefish or got displaced to another team?

If you don't have the answer or can't provide facts... don't bother chiming in with what you "think".

Best players went to Outlaws, including fogo

I heard that a bunch went to outlaws too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What Select kids played for True Blue, fl$ or Igloo . I think you use the word Select very loosely

Thanks for sharing what you "think". I asked what you know.

Could you really be that judgmental and condescending and stubbornly closed minded as to imply that not one kid on any of those TB, fl$, Rev or Igloo teams could possibly be "select"?

Come on! Everyone knows there were some really good select players on those teams (Brine NLC, Jake Reed, etc. type players).

One kid definitely took a spot on the express A.

The question was simple where did the other "select players" from those teams end up and how many moved from one of the big 2 top teams to Bluefish or got displaced to another team?

If you don't have the answer or can't provide facts... don't bother chiming in with what you "think".

How about this - I KNOW that there are no Select, Elite, Super Special, or whatever other term you want to use, on those teams. And that's a fact, Jack...Is that better for you?

Fact is this:
There are some new players on the elite big 2 teams. These players came from those "non elite/non select" programs. Some players had to get moved from those big 2 rosters to make room.

You can either deal with that fact or deny it and continue jousting with windmills.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What Select kids played for True Blue, fl$ or Igloo . I think you use the word Select very loosely

Thanks for sharing what you "think". I asked what you know.

Could you really be that judgmental and condescending and stubbornly closed minded as to imply that not one kid on any of those TB, fl$, Rev or Igloo teams could possibly be "select"?

Come on! Everyone knows there were some really good select players on those teams (Brine NLC, Jake Reed, etc. type players).

One kid definitely took a spot on the express A.

The question was simple where did the other "select players" from those teams end up and how many moved from one of the big 2 top teams to Bluefish or got displaced to another team?

If you don't have the answer or can't provide facts... don't bother chiming in with what you "think".

How about this - I KNOW that there are no Select, Elite, Super Special, or whatever other term you want to use, on those teams. And that's a fact, Jack...Is that better for you?

Fact is this:
There are some new players on the elite big 2 teams. These players came from those "non elite/non select" programs. Some players had to get moved from those big 2 rosters to make room.

You can either deal with that fact or deny it and continue jousting with windmills.

Why don't you add another little fact about one of the"big 2 teams" ?

It is rumored that at least two of the players are there because of one reason. Anyone guess? Five letter word, starting with M and ending with Y.

Mommy?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mommy?

great come back - thank you for lightening the mood.

For those starting the $hit, cut it out. Do you really need to write that. Come on man!

every team has there issues, no one is immune.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mommy?

great come back - thank you for lightening the mood.

For those starting the $hit, cut it out. Do you really need to write that. Come on man!

every team has there issues, no one is immune.

Ya, great if you're 12 years old�.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mommy?

great come back - thank you for lightening the mood.

For those starting the $hit, cut it out. Do you really need to write that. Come on man!

every team has there issues, no one is immune.

their issues

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where did all the Legacy Commando kids go after it fell apart ?? Team had some good players on it last year.. FOGO was one of the best I've ever seen..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What Select kids played for True Blue, fl$ or Igloo . I think you use the word Select very loosely

Thanks for sharing what you "think". I asked what you know.

Could you really be that judgmental and condescending and stubbornly closed minded as to imply that not one kid on any of those TB, fl$, Rev or Igloo teams could possibly be "select"?

Come on! Everyone knows there were some really good select players on those teams (Brine NLC, Jake Reed, etc. type players).

One kid definitely took a spot on the express A.

The question was simple where did the other "select players" from those teams end up and how many moved from one of the big 2 top teams to Bluefish or got displaced to another team?

If you don't have the answer or can't provide facts... don't bother chiming in with what you "think".

Some went to a few different teams - express,, and outlaws for various reasons and some stayed with Legacy.

In all honesty how many stayed with legacy and who is the coach? They have another tryout this weekend.

Lighten up Francis, it's freshman lacrosse not neuro surgery. Keep up the grades and little Johnny will have a shot to play a little college lacrosse. His mornings will be spent in the weight room, afternoons in class, evenings at practice. Fun? Perhaps, but grueling and when reality hits that you are nothing special on your D1 team, will Johnny stay with ot or will he forego the $2000 scholarship and walk away? Put it in perspective. Because YOU never played college athletics, don't force your 14 year old to do it for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lighten up Francis, it's freshman lacrosse not neuro surgery. Keep up the grades and little Johnny will have a shot to play a little college lacrosse. His mornings will be spent in the weight room, afternoons in class, evenings at practice. Fun? Perhaps, but grueling and when reality hits that you are nothing special on your D1 team, will Johnny stay with ot or will he forego the $2000 scholarship and walk away? Put it in perspective. Because YOU never played college athletics, don't force your 14 year old to do it for you.

Sounds really angry - has a hard time directing his anger at anyone in particular.

To whom did you want to address that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lighten up Francis, it's freshman lacrosse not neuro surgery. Keep up the grades and little Johnny will have a shot to play a little college lacrosse. His mornings will be spent in the weight room, afternoons in class, evenings at practice. Fun? Perhaps, but grueling and when reality hits that you are nothing special on your D1 team, will Johnny stay with ot or will he forego the $2000 scholarship and walk away? Put it in perspective. Because YOU never played college athletics, don't force your 14 year old to do it for you.

Sounds really angry - has a hard time directing his anger at anyone in particular.

To whom did you want to address that?

even beeter... what was it in response too

Although correct in that it is alot morning workouts, breakfast, class, lunch, practice, dinner, college life... is a lot to handle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lighten up Francis, it's freshman lacrosse not neuro surgery. Keep up the grades and little Johnny will have a shot to play a little college lacrosse. His mornings will be spent in the weight room, afternoons in class, evenings at practice. Fun? Perhaps, but grueling and when reality hits that you are nothing special on your D1 team, will Johnny stay with ot or will he forego the $2000 scholarship and walk away? Put it in perspective. Because YOU never played college athletics, don't force your 14 year old to do it for you.

Sounds really angry - has a hard time directing his anger at anyone in particular.

To whom did you want to address that?

even better... what was it in response too

Although correct in that it is alot morning workouts, breakfast, class, lunch, practice, dinner, college life... is a lot to handle.

I really get a kick out of some of the things that are posted. Some good some bad. But overall fun ro read. I would like to ask this question to all and please answer honestly.

If you were a college coach and some kid that you are interested in gives you a verbal commitment, how much thought do you put into that kid being that he is a 9th grader? Would you just entertain his parents?

The reason why I ask this question is because it's just a verbal not a signing. Parents get all proud and walk around like it is something special to give a verbal. Maybe some of us can get a little smarter about this whole process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really get a kick out of some of the things that are posted. Some good some bad. But overall fun ro read. I would like to ask this question to all and please answer honestly.

If you were a college coach and some kid that you are interested in gives you a verbal commitment, how much thought do you put into that kid being that he is a 9th grader? Would you just entertain his parents?

The reason why I ask this question is because it's just a verbal not a signing. Parents get all proud and walk around like it is something special to give a verbal. Maybe some of us can get a little smarter about this whole process.

Players don't simply give a verbal commitment. In order for a player to commit to a school a Coach must first make an offer. College coaches do as much due diligence as they can prior to offering a recruit a spot in their recruiting class. Coaches will try and watch a player as much as possible, they meet with the player and the parents, they talk to the HS and club coaches about the player and the family. If they believe the player will be a good fit for their program they may offer a spot. Only in the case where an "Athletic Scholarship" is offered is there anything to sign. When a player is offered an Athletic Scholarship they sign what is known a National Letter of Intent in their senior year. Not all D-1 or D-2 players are on scholarship. The Ivy's do not offer athletic scholarships and D-3 schools do not offer athletic scholarships. So for the majority of kids playing college lacrosse a verbal is the only agreement they will ever have.

The large majority of Verbal Commitments are honored by both the Player and the Coach.

There will be very few Verbal commitments made by 9th graders and I would say the College coaches put a fair amount of thought into it. They do not offer many spots to 9th graders. The Top kids are being recruited in 9th grade that's it.

If my kid was offered a spot and agreed to verbally commit to one of the top academic institutions in the country (Duke, Harvard, Hopkins, Penn, Virginia, Princeton, Navy, Note Dame etc..) I would be extremely proud.

Remember, no matter what anyone says, it is the college coaches who are driving the recruiting process.

What parent would not be proud of their child if they had worked hard in the classroom and on the athletic field and as a result were offered a spot in a recruiting class at one of the many great schools out there?

Agree with all of what is said above.

The only thing to add would be in some cases a school may issue a "likely letter" to a student athlete before they give a verbal commitment. While still non binding it gives students and parents some addition comfort that the school is serious about bringing the kid into their program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really get a kick out of some of the things that are posted. Some good some bad. But overall fun ro read. I would like to ask this question to all and please answer honestly.

If you were a college coach and some kid that you are interested in gives you a verbal commitment, how much thought do you put into that kid being that he is a 9th grader? Would you just entertain his parents?

The reason why I ask this question is because it's just a verbal not a signing. Parents get all proud and walk around like it is something special to give a verbal. Maybe some of us can get a little smarter about this whole process.

Players don't simply give a verbal commitment. In order for a player to commit to a school a Coach must first make an offer. College coaches do as much due diligence as they can prior to offering a recruit a spot in their recruiting class. Coaches will try and watch a player as much as possible, they meet with the player and the parents, they talk to the HS and club coaches about the player and the family. If they believe the player will be a good fit for their program they may offer a spot. Only in the case where an "Athletic Scholarship" is offered is there anything to sign. When a player is offered an Athletic Scholarship they sign what is known a National Letter of Intent in their senior year. Not all D-1 or D-2 players are on scholarship. The Ivy's do not offer athletic scholarships and D-3 schools do not offer athletic scholarships. So for the majority of kids playing college lacrosse a verbal is the only agreement they will ever have.

The large majority of Verbal Commitments are honored by both the Player and the Coach.

There will be very few Verbal commitments made by 9th graders and I would say the College coaches put a fair amount of thought into it. They do not offer many spots to 9th graders. The Top kids are being recruited in 9th grade that's it.

If my kid was offered a spot and agreed to verbally commit to one of the top academic institutions in the country (Duke, Harvard, Hopkins, Penn, Virginia, Princeton, Navy, Note Dame etc..) I would be extremely proud.

Remember, no matter what anyone says, it is the college coaches who are driving the recruiting process.

What parent would not be proud of their child if they had worked hard in the classroom and on the athletic field and as a result were offered a spot in a recruiting class at one of the many great schools out there?

Unfortunately a few ivy committed kids could not make the grades they promised to in 9th gRade so they were picked up elsewhere. On the hand, my son who is considered an elite player was offered a spot on a roster at couple of those schools you mentioned with a 3.4. The same he's had since 9th. He decided on a great (top50) school offering the big$$. And his coach confirmed in writing that his scholarship money can only go up. Be careful because not all schools will do that. Point is all those schools you mentioned absolutely do not have the same academic standards when it comes to atheltes.

That's some great info. Thanks. The reason why I put that out there is because people are talking about kids giving verbals all the time on this site. For me, I sit down with my kids and make sure they keep inmind that they are in the next stage of life. First know what you would like to do after high school. Pick a school that you would like to attend and make sure they have an idea of what they would like to do as a career. If lax can gelp them get into a school that they may not be able to get into then I say that's great. Seems like alot of parents don't stress school enough when it comes this site. Congrats on the 3.4 for your son. To me thats better then anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's some great info. Thanks. The reason why I put that out there is because people are talking about kids giving verbals all the time on this site. For me, I sit down with my kids and make sure they keep inmind that they are in the next stage of life. First know what you would like to do after high school. Pick a school that you would like to attend and make sure they have an idea of what they would like to do as a career. If lax can gelp them get into a school that they may not be able to get into then I say that's great. Seems like alot of parents don't stress school enough when it comes this site. Congrats on the 3.4 for your son. To me thats better then anything.

Thank you! I wasnt really bragging about the 3.4 it was the lax that got him to a school he wouldn't have gotten into, plus a decent amount of money. I know kids with,4.0 who were rejected from several of the schools you mentioned because they didn't Excell at something else (like lax) A 3.4 plus being an outstanding athlete still will not get you into Harvard or Princeton.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's some great info. Thanks. The reason why I put that out there is because people are talking about kids giving verbals all the time on this site. For me, I sit down with my kids and make sure they keep inmind that they are in the next stage of life. First know what you would like to do after high school. Pick a school that you would like to attend and make sure they have an idea of what they would like to do as a career. If lax can gelp them get into a school that they may not be able to get into then I say that's great. Seems like alot of parents don't stress school enough when it comes this site. Congrats on the 3.4 for your son. To me thats better then anything.

Thank you! I wasnt really bragging about the 3.4 it was the lax that got him to a school he wouldn't have gotten into, plus a decent amount of money. I know kids with,4.0 who were rejected from several of the schools you mentioned because they didn't Excell at something else (like lax) A 3.4 plus being an outstanding athlete still will not get you into Harvard or Princeton.

Actually, depending on the player, it will.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's some great info. Thanks. The reason why I put that out there is because people are talking about kids giving verbals all the time on this site. For me, I sit down with my kids and make sure they keep inmind that they are in the next stage of life. First know what you would like to do after high school. Pick a school that you would like to attend and make sure they have an idea of what they would like to do as a career. If lax can gelp them get into a school that they may not be able to get into then I say that's great. Seems like alot of parents don't stress school enough when it comes this site. Congrats on the 3.4 for your son. To me thats better then anything.

Thank you! I wasnt really bragging about the 3.4 it was the lax that got him to a school he wouldn't have gotten into, plus a decent amount of money. I know kids with,4.0 who were rejected from several of the schools you mentioned because they didn't Excell at something else (like lax) A 3.4 plus being an outstanding athlete still will not get you into Harvard or Princeton.

Actually, depending on the player, it will.

If your talking Hopkins, agreed. The real top, nope. Which is exactly why some top ranked recite committed there but are going elsewhere!

Ivy will not take a 3.4, heard straight from the mouth of an Ivy coach. Gave the nod to the Hopkins coach to go on the kid. "" I would take the kid in a second but I can't get a 3.4 thru admissions, even with a 30 on ACT".

I heard it on the sidelines after a prospect camp over the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ivy will not take a 3.4, heard straight from the mouth of an Ivy coach. Gave the nod to the Hopkins coach to go on the kid. "" I would take the kid in a second but I can't get a 3.4 thru admissions, even with a 30 on ACT".

I heard it on the sidelines after a prospect camp over the summer.

You should do a little research on how the Ivy's work.

Are you familiar with the AI? Not every kid being recruited at an Ivy has to have the same grades and test scores. The more the coach wants the player the lower their AI can be. If a player is of average ability but has off the chart grades and test scores he might get recruited in order to help bring the AI Average up so the coach can recruit the stud that he really wants.

Every situation is different and there is a wide range to each recruiting class. That said, all of the recruits must be strong students but they do not need 4.0's and perfect test scores.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ivy will not take a 3.4, heard straight from the mouth of an Ivy coach. Gave the nod to the Hopkins coach to go on the kid. "" I would take the kid in a second but I can't get a 3.4 thru admissions, even with a 30 on ACT".

I heard it on the sidelines after a prospect camp over the summer.

No you didn't.

Here how I have been told Academic Index works. The AI as people call it is based on certain criteria. There�s only one universal truth about the Academic Index: If you have an A.I. below 171, you cannot be admitted to an Ivy League school as an athlete. The Ivy League is unforgiving on this point, no matter how good the athlete.

For those at or above 171, the meaning of the Academic Index varies from school to school.

To precisely determine an athlete�s recruitability, the Ivy League segments all A.I.s above 171 into four �bands.� Bands at each school are defined by the statistical make-up of the school's current freshman class. In each school, therefore, the numbers associated with the bands differ. The universal rules that define the bands are as follows (if you're an Ivy League recruit, bear with this description; you should be able to understand it):

High band: This bands starts with the school's mean Academic Index, and ranges down to one standard deviation below the mean. ("Standard deviation" is defined as measure of the range of variation within a group. Typically, 68% of all data points fall within one standard deviation; 95% fall within two. In the case of the Ivy League Academic Index, one standard deviation reportedly varies from 12-16 points per school.)

Medium band: Goes from one standard deviation to two standard deviations below the mean.

Low band: Goes from two standard deviations to two-and-a-half standard deviations below the mean.

Low-Low band: Ranges from two-and-a-half standard deviations down to the minimum A.I. of 171.

Using this system, an Ivy League school with a mean Academic Index of 210 and a standard deviation of 14 would have its bands defined as follows:

High: 197-210
Med: 183-196
Low: 176-182
Low-Low: 171-175

Ivy League schools rarely, if ever, publish their mean A.I.s. It is assumed, however, that Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (in that order) have the three highest mean figures, probably at or around 220. According to the book, "Playing the Game," Dartmouth usually falls fourth at approximately 212, followed (in order) by Columbia, Pennsylvania, Brown, and Cornell.

Originally Posted by America's Game

Here how I have been told Academic Index works. The AI as people call it is based on certain criteria. There�s only one universal truth about the Academic Index: If you have an A.I. below 171, you cannot be admitted to an Ivy League school as an athlete. The Ivy League is unforgiving on this point, no matter how good the athlete.

For those at or above 171, the meaning of the Academic Index varies from school to school.

To precisely determine an athlete�s recruitability, the Ivy League segments all A.I.s above 171 into four �bands.� Bands at each school are defined by the statistical make-up of the school's current freshman class. In each school, therefore, the numbers associated with the bands differ. The universal rules that define the bands are as follows (if you're an Ivy League recruit, bear with this description; you should be able to understand it):

High band: This bands starts with the school's mean Academic Index, and ranges down to one standard deviation below the mean. ("Standard deviation" is defined as measure of the range of variation within a group. Typically, 68% of all data points fall within one standard deviation; 95% fall within two. In the case of the Ivy League Academic Index, one standard deviation reportedly varies from 12-16 points per school.)

Medium band: Goes from one standard deviation to two standard deviations below the mean.

Low band: Goes from two standard deviations to two-and-a-half standard deviations below the mean.

Low-Low band: Ranges from two-and-a-half standard deviations down to the minimum A.I. of 171.

Using this system, an Ivy League school with a mean Academic Index of 210 and a standard deviation of 14 would have its bands defined as follows:

High: 197-210
Med: 183-196
Low: 176-182
Low-Low: 171-175

Ivy League schools rarely, if ever, publish their mean A.I.s. It is assumed, however, that Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (in that order) have the three highest mean figures, probably at or around 220. According to the book, "Playing the Game," Dartmouth usually falls fourth at approximately 212, followed (in order) by Columbia, Pennsylvania, Brown, and Cornell.

Well, that makes perfect sense and supports my argument that kids with 3.4 are not going to Harvard or Princeton!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's some great info. Thanks. The reason why I put that out there is because people are talking about kids giving verbals all the time on this site. For me, I sit down with my kids and make sure they keep inmind that they are in the next stage of life. First know what you would like to do after high school. Pick a school that you would like to attend and make sure they have an idea of what they would like to do as a career. If lax can gelp them get into a school that they may not be able to get into then I say that's great. Seems like alot of parents don't stress school enough when it comes this site. Congrats on the 3.4 for your son. To me thats better then anything.

Thank you! I wasnt really bragging about the 3.4 it was the lax that got him to a school he wouldn't have gotten into, plus a decent amount of money. I know kids with,4.0 who were rejected from several of the schools you mentioned because they didn't Excell at something else (like lax) A 3.4 plus being an outstanding athlete still will not get you into Harvard or Princeton.

Actually, depending on the player, it will.

If your talking Hopkins, agreed. The real top, nope. Which is exactly why some top ranked recite committed there but are going elsewhere!

I think you've been soundly proven wrong above...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's some great info. Thanks. The reason why I put that out there is because people are talking about kids giving verbals all the time on this site. For me, I sit down with my kids and make sure they keep inmind that they are in the next stage of life. First know what you would like to do after high school. Pick a school that you would like to attend and make sure they have an idea of what they would like to do as a career. If lax can gelp them get into a school that they may not be able to get into then I say that's great. Seems like alot of parents don't stress school enough when it comes this site. Congrats on the 3.4 for your son. To me thats better then anything.

Thank you! I wasnt really bragging about the 3.4 it was the lax that got him to a school he wouldn't have gotten into, plus a decent amount of money. I know kids with,4.0 who were rejected from several of the schools you mentioned because they didn't Excell at something else (like lax) A 3.4 plus being an outstanding athlete still will not get you into Harvard or Princeton.

Actually, depending on the player, it will.

If your talking Hopkins, agreed. The real top, nope. Which is exactly why some top ranked recite committed there but are going elsewhere!

I think you've been soundly proven wrong above...

No way, I personally know two kids that needed to commit to different schools because of grades . They committed to top Ivies and are both standout players, but grades were good, but not good enough. They both wound up at great top 20 schools. I think what you are not understanding, is that there is a big difference between 1,2 and 3, and the rest.

Originally Posted by America's Game

Here how I have been told Academic Index works. The AI as people call it is based on certain criteria. There�s only one universal truth about the Academic Index: If you have an A.I. below 171, you cannot be admitted to an Ivy League school as an athlete. The Ivy League is unforgiving on this point, no matter how good the athlete.

For those at or above 171, the meaning of the Academic Index varies from school to school.

To precisely determine an athlete�s recruitability, the Ivy League segments all A.I.s above 171 into four �bands.� Bands at each school are defined by the statistical make-up of the school's current freshman class. In each school, therefore, the numbers associated with the bands differ. The universal rules that define the bands are as follows (if you're an Ivy League recruit, bear with this description; you should be able to understand it):

High band: This bands starts with the school's mean Academic Index, and ranges down to one standard deviation below the mean. ("Standard deviation" is defined as measure of the range of variation within a group. Typically, 68% of all data points fall within one standard deviation; 95% fall within two. In the case of the Ivy League Academic Index, one standard deviation reportedly varies from 12-16 points per school.)

Medium band: Goes from one standard deviation to two standard deviations below the mean.

Low band: Goes from two standard deviations to two-and-a-half standard deviations below the mean.

Low-Low band: Ranges from two-and-a-half standard deviations down to the minimum A.I. of 171.

Using this system, an Ivy League school with a mean Academic Index of 210 and a standard deviation of 14 would have its bands defined as follows:

High: 197-210
Med: 183-196
Low: 176-182
Low-Low: 171-175

Ivy League schools rarely, if ever, publish their mean A.I.s. It is assumed, however, that Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (in that order) have the three highest mean figures, probably at or around 220. According to the book, "Playing the Game," Dartmouth usually falls fourth at approximately 212, followed (in order) by Columbia, Pennsylvania, Brown, and Cornell.

Great info.
How is the A I calculated? How do the arrive at the #?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

Here how I have been told Academic Index works. The AI as people call it is based on certain criteria. There�s only one universal truth about the Academic Index: If you have an A.I. below 171, you cannot be admitted to an Ivy League school as an athlete. The Ivy League is unforgiving on this point, no matter how good the athlete.

For those at or above 171, the meaning of the Academic Index varies from school to school.

To precisely determine an athlete�s recruitability, the Ivy League segments all A.I.s above 171 into four �bands.� Bands at each school are defined by the statistical make-up of the school's current freshman class. In each school, therefore, the numbers associated with the bands differ. The universal rules that define the bands are as follows (if you're an Ivy League recruit, bear with this description; you should be able to understand it):

High band: This bands starts with the school's mean Academic Index, and ranges down to one standard deviation below the mean. ("Standard deviation" is defined as measure of the range of variation within a group. Typically, 68% of all data points fall within one standard deviation; 95% fall within two. In the case of the Ivy League Academic Index, one standard deviation reportedly varies from 12-16 points per school.)

Medium band: Goes from one standard deviation to two standard deviations below the mean.

Low band: Goes from two standard deviations to two-and-a-half standard deviations below the mean.

Low-Low band: Ranges from two-and-a-half standard deviations down to the minimum A.I. of 171.

Using this system, an Ivy League school with a mean Academic Index of 210 and a standard deviation of 14 would have its bands defined as follows:

High: 197-210
Med: 183-196
Low: 176-182
Low-Low: 171-175

Ivy League schools rarely, if ever, publish their mean A.I.s. It is assumed, however, that Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (in that order) have the three highest mean figures, probably at or around 220. According to the book, "Playing the Game," Dartmouth usually falls fourth at approximately 212, followed (in order) by Columbia, Pennsylvania, Brown, and Cornell.

Great info.
How is the A I calculated? How do the arrive at the #?

It is a little more complicated than this calculation but for a good approximation you can use SAT score (no writing) / 10 + unweighted GPA X 20. So a player with a 1400 SAT and a 3.5 would be 140 + 70 = 210.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

Here how I have been told Academic Index works. The AI as people call it is based on certain criteria. There�s only one universal truth about the Academic Index: If you have an A.I. below 171, you cannot be admitted to an Ivy League school as an athlete. The Ivy League is unforgiving on this point, no matter how good the athlete.

For those at or above 171, the meaning of the Academic Index varies from school to school.

To precisely determine an athlete�s recruitability, the Ivy League segments all A.I.s above 171 into four �bands.� Bands at each school are defined by the statistical make-up of the school's current freshman class. In each school, therefore, the numbers associated with the bands differ. The universal rules that define the bands are as follows (if you're an Ivy League recruit, bear with this description; you should be able to understand it):

High band: This bands starts with the school's mean Academic Index, and ranges down to one standard deviation below the mean. ("Standard deviation" is defined as measure of the range of variation within a group. Typically, 68% of all data points fall within one standard deviation; 95% fall within two. In the case of the Ivy League Academic Index, one standard deviation reportedly varies from 12-16 points per school.)

Medium band: Goes from one standard deviation to two standard deviations below the mean.

Low band: Goes from two standard deviations to two-and-a-half standard deviations below the mean.

Low-Low band: Ranges from two-and-a-half standard deviations down to the minimum A.I. of 171.

Using this system, an Ivy League school with a mean Academic Index of 210 and a standard deviation of 14 would have its bands defined as follows:

High: 197-210
Med: 183-196
Low: 176-182
Low-Low: 171-175

Ivy League schools rarely, if ever, publish their mean A.I.s. It is assumed, however, that Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (in that order) have the three highest mean figures, probably at or around 220. According to the book, "Playing the Game," Dartmouth usually falls fourth at approximately 212, followed (in order) by Columbia, Pennsylvania, Brown, and Cornell.

Well, that makes perfect sense and supports my argument that kids with 3.4 are not going to Harvard or Princeton!

Wrong again. There are an have been players with more like 3.3 to 3.2 who were admitted to PRINCETON! However, we are talking top 10 player in the country... Sorry but it happens.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

Here how I have been told Academic Index works. The AI as people call it is based on certain criteria. There�s only one universal truth about the Academic Index: If you have an A.I. below 171, you cannot be admitted to an Ivy League school as an athlete. The Ivy League is unforgiving on this point, no matter how good the athlete.

For those at or above 171, the meaning of the Academic Index varies from school to school.

To precisely determine an athlete�s recruitability, the Ivy League segments all A.I.s above 171 into four �bands.� Bands at each school are defined by the statistical make-up of the school's current freshman class. In each school, therefore, the numbers associated with the bands differ. The universal rules that define the bands are as follows (if you're an Ivy League recruit, bear with this description; you should be able to understand it):

High band: This bands starts with the school's mean Academic Index, and ranges down to one standard deviation below the mean. ("Standard deviation" is defined as measure of the range of variation within a group. Typically, 68% of all data points fall within one standard deviation; 95% fall within two. In the case of the Ivy League Academic Index, one standard deviation reportedly varies from 12-16 points per school.)

Medium band: Goes from one standard deviation to two standard deviations below the mean.

Low band: Goes from two standard deviations to two-and-a-half standard deviations below the mean.

Low-Low band: Ranges from two-and-a-half standard deviations down to the minimum A.I. of 171.

Using this system, an Ivy League school with a mean Academic Index of 210 and a standard deviation of 14 would have its bands defined as follows:

High: 197-210
Med: 183-196
Low: 176-182
Low-Low: 171-175

Ivy League schools rarely, if ever, publish their mean A.I.s. It is assumed, however, that Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (in that order) have the three highest mean figures, probably at or around 220. According to the book, "Playing the Game," Dartmouth usually falls fourth at approximately 212, followed (in order) by Columbia, Pennsylvania, Brown, and Cornell.

Well, that makes perfect sense and supports my argument that kids with 3.4 are not going to Harvard or Princeton!

Wrong again. There are an have been players with more like 3.3 to 3.2 who were admitted to PRINCETON! However, we are talking top 10 player in the country... Sorry but it happens.

What if we all agree that MOST or MANY kids, unless they are an exceptional superstar, aren't going to Princeton or Harvard with a 3.2 or 3.3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

Here how I have been told Academic Index works. The AI as people call it is based on certain criteria. There�s only one universal truth about the Academic Index: If you have an A.I. below 171, you cannot be admitted to an Ivy League school as an athlete. The Ivy League is unforgiving on this point, no matter how good the athlete.

For those at or above 171, the meaning of the Academic Index varies from school to school.

To precisely determine an athlete�s recruitability, the Ivy League segments all A.I.s above 171 into four �bands.� Bands at each school are defined by the statistical make-up of the school's current freshman class. In each school, therefore, the numbers associated with the bands differ. The universal rules that define the bands are as follows (if you're an Ivy League recruit, bear with this description; you should be able to understand it):

High band: This bands starts with the school's mean Academic Index, and ranges down to one standard deviation below the mean. ("Standard deviation" is defined as measure of the range of variation within a group. Typically, 68% of all data points fall within one standard deviation; 95% fall within two. In the case of the Ivy League Academic Index, one standard deviation reportedly varies from 12-16 points per school.)

Medium band: Goes from one standard deviation to two standard deviations below the mean.

Low band: Goes from two standard deviations to two-and-a-half standard deviations below the mean.

Low-Low band: Ranges from two-and-a-half standard deviations down to the minimum A.I. of 171.

Using this system, an Ivy League school with a mean Academic Index of 210 and a standard deviation of 14 would have its bands defined as follows:

High: 197-210
Med: 183-196
Low: 176-182
Low-Low: 171-175

Ivy League schools rarely, if ever, publish their mean A.I.s. It is assumed, however, that Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (in that order) have the three highest mean figures, probably at or around 220. According to the book, "Playing the Game," Dartmouth usually falls fourth at approximately 212, followed (in order) by Columbia, Pennsylvania, Brown, and Cornell.

Well, that makes perfect sense and supports my argument that kids with 3.4 are not going to Harvard or Princeton!

Wrong again. There are an have been players with more like 3.3 to 3.2 who were admitted to PRINCETON! However, we are talking top 10 player in the country... Sorry but it happens.

And you are so sure of this how? Your son? A kid with those kind of grades would not make it through. I know of one prominent directors son who got and probably shouldn't have, wound up transferring to MD

This conversation is silly.
Please stop!
It only pertains to about 2 dozen kids each year from the Lax perspective... going to the Top 3 ivy schools (Which means maybe 6 or 7 from LI).

Can we talk about something more fun like how old the Canadians are or the kids from Ma or MD?

Thanks,

- Everyone that has a realistic expectation that their kid is not going Ivy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This conversation is silly.
Please stop!
It only pertains to about 2 dozen kids each year from the Lax perspective... going to the Top 3 ivy schools (Which means maybe 6 or 7 from LI).

Can we talk about something more fun like how old the Canadians are or the kids from Ma or MD?

Thanks,

- Everyone that has a realistic expectation that their kid is not going Ivy.

Haha yes! Ok so how do you all feel about a 2019 kid trading down to a 2020 team who did not even reclass!? I guess there is no reason we all can't just play are kids down if we wanted to. I'm still trying to figure out why someone would do this. Bizarre!

Originally Posted by America's Game

Here how I have been told Academic Index works. The AI as people call it is based on certain criteria. There�s only one universal truth about the Academic Index: If you have an A.I. below 171, you cannot be admitted to an Ivy League school as an athlete. The Ivy League is unforgiving on this point, no matter how good the athlete.

For those at or above 171, the meaning of the Academic Index varies from school to school.

To precisely determine an athlete�s recruitability, the Ivy League segments all A.I.s above 171 into four �bands.� Bands at each school are defined by the statistical make-up of the school's current freshman class. In each school, therefore, the numbers associated with the bands differ. The universal rules that define the bands are as follows (if you're an Ivy League recruit, bear with this description; you should be able to understand it):

High band: This bands starts with the school's mean Academic Index, and ranges down to one standard deviation below the mean. ("Standard deviation" is defined as measure of the range of variation within a group. Typically, 68% of all data points fall within one standard deviation; 95% fall within two. In the case of the Ivy League Academic Index, one standard deviation reportedly varies from 12-16 points per school.)

Medium band: Goes from one standard deviation to two standard deviations below the mean.

Low band: Goes from two standard deviations to two-and-a-half standard deviations below the mean.

Low-Low band: Ranges from two-and-a-half standard deviations down to the minimum A.I. of 171.

Using this system, an Ivy League school with a mean Academic Index of 210 and a standard deviation of 14 would have its bands defined as follows:

High: 197-210
Med: 183-196
Low: 176-182
Low-Low: 171-175

Ivy League schools rarely, if ever, publish their mean A.I.s. It is assumed, however, that Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (in that order) have the three highest mean figures, probably at or around 220. According to the book, "Playing the Game," Dartmouth usually falls fourth at approximately 212, followed (in order) by Columbia, Pennsylvania, Brown, and Cornell.

College must be different, I guess there's no way a wealthy parent can, "Pay to play", for his child like the two attack men on one 2019 team ?

Cut the $hit people. Really, still picking on 14 year olds. Come on moderators please censor this.

Who saw the vine going around about the kid who decked the "Bully" who smacked around the blind kid. Personally I am all in favor of the bully getting the smack down... but guess what, he also go in trouble.

Your veiled attempt is disgusting.

Mods, Can you at least tell us if the post 135867 & 135883 are from the same person (I mean IP).

can we instead talk about where the teams may meet up this Fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

Here how I have been told Academic Index works. The AI as people call it is based on certain criteria. There�s only one universal truth about the Academic Index: If you have an A.I. below 171, you cannot be admitted to an Ivy League school as an athlete. The Ivy League is unforgiving on this point, no matter how good the athlete.

For those at or above 171, the meaning of the Academic Index varies from school to school.

To precisely determine an athlete�s recruitability, the Ivy League segments all A.I.s above 171 into four �bands.� Bands at each school are defined by the statistical make-up of the school's current freshman class. In each school, therefore, the numbers associated with the bands differ. The universal rules that define the bands are as follows (if you're an Ivy League recruit, bear with this description; you should be able to understand it):

High band: This bands starts with the school's mean Academic Index, and ranges down to one standard deviation below the mean. ("Standard deviation" is defined as measure of the range of variation within a group. Typically, 68% of all data points fall within one standard deviation; 95% fall within two. In the case of the Ivy League Academic Index, one standard deviation reportedly varies from 12-16 points per school.)

Medium band: Goes from one standard deviation to two standard deviations below the mean.

Low band: Goes from two standard deviations to two-and-a-half standard deviations below the mean.

Low-Low band: Ranges from two-and-a-half standard deviations down to the minimum A.I. of 171.

Using this system, an Ivy League school with a mean Academic Index of 210 and a standard deviation of 14 would have its bands defined as follows:

High: 197-210
Med: 183-196
Low: 176-182
Low-Low: 171-175

Ivy League schools rarely, if ever, publish their mean A.I.s. It is assumed, however, that Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (in that order) have the three highest mean figures, probably at or around 220. According to the book, "Playing the Game," Dartmouth usually falls fourth at approximately 212, followed (in order) by Columbia, Pennsylvania, Brown, and Cornell.

Well, that makes perfect sense and supports my argument that kids with 3.4 are not going to Harvard or Princeton!

Wrong again. There are an have been players with more like 3.3 to 3.2 who were admitted to PRINCETON! However, we are talking top 10 player in the country... Sorry but it happens.

And you are so sure of this how? Your son? A kid with those kind of grades would not make it through. I know of one prominent directors son who got and probably shouldn't have, wound up transferring to MD

The point was whether or not a kid could get in with a 3.4. the reality is they can. staying is another point completely...

Where is the kid playing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This conversation is silly.
Please stop!
It only pertains to about 2 dozen kids each year from the Lax perspective... going to the Top 3 ivy schools (Which means maybe 6 or 7 from LI).

Can we talk about something more fun like how old the Canadians are or the kids from Ma or MD?

Thanks,

- Everyone that has a realistic expectation that their kid is not going Ivy.

Haha yes! Ok so how do you all feel about a 2019 kid trading down to a 2020 team who did not even reclass!? I guess there is no reason we all can't just play are kids down if we wanted to. I'm still trying to figure out why someone would do this. Bizarre!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This conversation is silly.
Please stop!
It only pertains to about 2 dozen kids each year from the Lax perspective... going to the Top 3 ivy schools (Which means maybe 6 or 7 from LI).

Can we talk about something more fun like how old the Canadians are or the kids from Ma or MD?

Thanks,

- Everyone that has a realistic expectation that their kid is not going Ivy.

Haha yes! Ok so how do you all feel about a 2019 kid trading down to a 2020 team who did not even reclass!? I guess there is no reason we all can't just play are kids down if we wanted to. I'm still trying to figure out why someone would do this. Bizarre!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

Here how I have been told Academic Index works. The AI as people call it is based on certain criteria. There�s only one universal truth about the Academic Index: If you have an A.I. below 171, you cannot be admitted to an Ivy League school as an athlete. The Ivy League is unforgiving on this point, no matter how good the athlete.

For those at or above 171, the meaning of the Academic Index varies from school to school.

To precisely determine an athlete�s recruitability, the Ivy League segments all A.I.s above 171 into four �bands.� Bands at each school are defined by the statistical make-up of the school's current freshman class. In each school, therefore, the numbers associated with the bands differ. The universal rules that define the bands are as follows (if you're an Ivy League recruit, bear with this description; you should be able to understand it):

High band: This bands starts with the school's mean Academic Index, and ranges down to one standard deviation below the mean. ("Standard deviation" is defined as measure of the range of variation within a group. Typically, 68% of all data points fall within one standard deviation; 95% fall within two. In the case of the Ivy League Academic Index, one standard deviation reportedly varies from 12-16 points per school.)

Medium band: Goes from one standard deviation to two standard deviations below the mean.

Low band: Goes from two standard deviations to two-and-a-half standard deviations below the mean.

Low-Low band: Ranges from two-and-a-half standard deviations down to the minimum A.I. of 171.

Using this system, an Ivy League school with a mean Academic Index of 210 and a standard deviation of 14 would have its bands defined as follows:

High: 197-210
Med: 183-196
Low: 176-182
Low-Low: 171-175

Ivy League schools rarely, if ever, publish their mean A.I.s. It is assumed, however, that Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (in that order) have the three highest mean figures, probably at or around 220. According to the book, "Playing the Game," Dartmouth usually falls fourth at approximately 212, followed (in order) by Columbia, Pennsylvania, Brown, and Cornell.

College must be different, I guess there's no way a wealthy parent can, "Pay to play", for his child like the two attack men on one 2019 team ?

What are you talking about???

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

Did anyone's son attend one of the 3d blue chip regionals in Florida last year? My son is a 2020 who got invited and I was wondering whether it is worth the cost and hassle to get down there. He is a d pole and I heard the format is better for short sticks.

Save the $$$. Unless he's a stud.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

Don't do it. Very few coaches as most were at Philly Freshman.

I think the Blue Chip in November is a waste of time as all of the best 2019 will be at the Philly Freshman Showcase

My son attended the 3D in January. It was a very well run event at a great venue. As far as it being better for one position over another I can't say. My son is a goalie and did receive an invite to Jake Reed so it was worth it for my son. Plus it got me out of the cold for a few days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Save the $$$. Unless he's a stud.

LOL, everyone that gets the invite that starts out, your son is the BEST in the country gets sucked in. And it continues, for the small fee of ____ he can come and play with the best! The people that go to this truely believe that their kid is the BEST and don't realize they are just lining someone's pocket

Whats with Revolution having more tryouts? Did they not fill their rosters?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whats with Revolution having more tryouts? Did they not fill their rosters?

No different then any other organization. It's a money grab in that the more kids they get the more teams they can form. They can have a triple elite , double elite , single elite and a B team. Pathetic I know. Maybe they will get their uniforms by the third tournament this year or at least get uniforms . Last years were newspapers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whats with Revolution having more tryouts? Did they not fill their rosters?

No different then any other organization. It's a money grab in that the more kids they get the more teams they can form. They can have a triple elite , double elite , single elite and a B team. Pathetic I know. Maybe they will get their uniforms by the third tournament this year or at least get uniforms . Last years were newspapers

The number of 2019 kids switching teams this year is crazy...actually the parents are crazy!

Right and kids who wanted to stay with their teams were cut for not necessarily skill but because of size. At this age size matters. But it will all even out in a couple of years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right and kids who wanted to stay with their teams were cut for not necessarily skill but because of size. At this age size matters. But it will all even out in a couple of years.

Just hard to compete without having size and playing with some of these big teams. That is why they have the B teams where a kid can still excel but not be handicapped in games due to size . It will most likely even out but not yet.

Don't kid yourself, it wasn't due to size, it was due to skill. better kids come to tryouts every year and take spots from other kids.

I believe that is what travel lacrosse is all about, picking the most talented players. plenty of smaller kids playing on top teams. just admit it that you are not happy that your son didn't make a team and you are blaming it on size.
have realistic expectations for your son and you will not have to bad mouth several programs that passed on your kid

The number of 2019 kids switching teams this year is crazy...actually the parents are crazy! [/quote]

why are the parents or players crazy? Explain, every story has more than two sides, here are some good reasons to leave a team.

Team folded.

When a majority of a team leaves, you'd be crazy to stay.

Move to a better team to get challenged. You always want to be challenged even if D1 isn't in the cards. You never want to be the best at your position. Never get complacent. (Crazy parent maybe - but true)

A coach or friend of the program son plays the same position as you. (except at middie)

You didn't get playing time the year prior.

I agree. But I hate when the say their organization is different, we are about the kids, we want to keep them together, we are family etc etc. call it what it is tell the truth and I will gave more respect for you. I just wNt my kid to play and have fun and of course have the opportunity to improve and learn good sportsmanship.

Skill is skill people. If a kid has the drive and puts the time he will be better than the others. Regardless of size skill will always prevail. Then when you pair skill with size that's a scary combination. My son was always average in height and worked his [lacrosse] off to compete. Now he's hit puberty and has grown 5 to 6 inches in the last year and now can use his size with his drive. Kids can be trained but you cant teach height or speed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. But I hate when the say their organization is different, we are about the kids, we want to keep them together, we are family etc etc. call it what it is tell the truth and I will gave more respect for you. I just wNt my kid to play and have fun and of course have the opportunity to improve and learn good sportsmanship.

Maybe your respect isn't what they are really looking for. Maybe you put yourself in the situation you are in. Don't blame others for your actions.

Travel is not a town program where all your sons friends can play together regardless of their skill. You did say you want your son to have fun and learn good sportsmanship, that sounds like a town team to me. There is not one travel team out there that can stay afloat if they keep the same kids every year. I am sure the program had the best intentions and then realized that they can be more competitive with more skilled players.

The real problem is if you keep average kids then the best kids will want to play on a more competitive team and that is when nobody takes your program serious. It sucks but some kids stop developing skill wise and others continue to get better.

Just because you were on a team doesn't mean he has that spot for life. I find it ironic that nobody ever comes on here and complains that their team let other kids go, its always about their son who was let go. My company hired a new guy because he was able to produce more than the person he replaced, That is how companies become more successful and that is the lay of the land when it comes to travel lacrosse especially at this age.

College coaches are not looking at teams that kept their kids together for years, they are looking for the teams with good players who can take their game to the next level. Not every kid is ready for that at this moment. Keep your son working hard and hopefully he will get his opportunity to shine.

As a side note, please go get your sons English book and learn how to spell and use grammar correctly. you are so quick to judge others that sometimes you overlook judging yourself.

Not judging anyone or any team just think that if you join a team because of what you are told and that does not happen then I think you falsely represented yourself. I never realized it was so cut throat but I am learning that it is. No one is complaining just discussing. It is people like you that bash other people and bring stupid things like grammar ( did not know this was school) and other things into the conversation that ruin it for everyone else just trying to get information and understand the lay of the land. Don't know what is going on in your life for you to behave like that but these boards are not the place to take out your anger.

Hey Professor, it is "your son's English book" ... those who live in glass houses...

Who are you guys talking about? I'm going to guess revolution. The guy who runs that organization is weird. To all of you that are on revo you'll get to hear what a great job he is doing right from his mouth. He talks a good talk and tells everyone , I do a great job. Just another guy who is looking to make more money. I'm sure he has about three or four teams at the 2019 age, plus two or three at the 2020 age. The kids that made that organization were the old true blue kids I believe. They put them on the map. It's true about the uniforms last year. I hope he does a better job this year cause they looked like pajamas. The problem with the guy who runs the organization is that he has no people skills. It's true they tell you one thing and do something else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are you guys talking about? I'm going to guess revolution. The guy who runs that organization is weird. To all of you that are on revo you'll get to hear what a great job he is doing right from his mouth. He talks a good talk and tells everyone , I do a great job. Just another guy who is looking to make more money. I'm sure he has about three or four teams at the 2019 age, plus two or three at the 2020 age. The kids that made that organization were the old true blue kids I believe. They put them on the map. It's true about the uniforms last year. I hope he does a better job this year cause they looked like pajamas. The problem with the guy who runs the organization is that he has no people skills. It's true they tell you one thing and do something else.

RIF

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skill is skill people. If a kid has the drive and puts the time he will be better than the others. Regardless of size skill will always prevail. Then when you pair skill with size that's a scary combination. My son was always average in height and worked his [lacrosse] off to compete. Now he's hit puberty and has grown 5 to 6 inches in the last year and now can use his size with his drive. Kids can be trained but you cant teach height or speed.

Sergio Perkovic is a football player, but because of his size and athleticism, he dominates. Its certainly not just about skill. In fact, college programs will take "big athlete" over "highly skilled" in almost every instance. You can train an athlete and develop skills--you can not teach size.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skill is skill people. If a kid has the drive and puts the time he will be better than the others. Regardless of size skill will always prevail. Then when you pair skill with size that's a scary combination. My son was always average in height and worked his [lacrosse] off to compete. Now he's hit puberty and has grown 5 to 6 inches in the last year and now can use his size with his drive. Kids can be trained but you cant teach height or speed.

Sergio Perkovic is a football player, but because of his size and athleticism, he dominates. Its certainly not just about skill. In fact, college programs will take "big athlete" over "highly skilled" in almost every instance. You can train an athlete and develop skills--you can not teach size.

Kavanaugh is a more productive player at half his size.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

Don't do it. Very few coaches as most were at Philly Freshman.

Philly is supposed to have a lot of coaches coming this year. I guess it will be wait and see but hope to see coaches from all divisions for all boys who want to play college ball

Many a "family member" tried out for other programs and would have left if given the chance, didn't make their team so why is it such a shock that family member didn't make original team? The toughest situation is for the guy who didn't have the opportunity to try out somewhere else because they thought their kid was a lock. I've seen good players cut because teams were looking for a specific need. You can't win championships with a team full of Kobe Bryants, players need to compliment each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not judging anyone or any team just think that if you join a team because of what you are told and that does not happen then I think you falsely represented yourself. I never realized it was so cut throat but I am learning that it is. No one is complaining just discussing. It is people like you that bash other people and bring stupid things like grammar ( did not know this was school) and other things into the conversation that ruin it for everyone else just trying to get information and understand the lay of the land. Don't know what is going on in your life for you to behave like that but these boards are not the place to take out your anger.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many a "family member" tried out for other programs and would have left if given the chance, didn't make their team so why is it such a shock that family member didn't make original team? The toughest situation is for the guy who didn't have the opportunity to try out somewhere else because they thought their kid was a lock. I've seen good players cut because teams were looking for a specific need. You can't win championships with a team full of Kobe Bryants, players need to compliment each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not judging anyone or any team just think that if you join a team because of what you are told and that does not happen then I think you falsely represented yourself. I never realized it was so cut throat but I am learning that it is. No one is complaining just discussing. It is people like you that bash other people and bring stupid things like grammar ( did not know this was school) and other things into the conversation that ruin it for everyone else just trying to get information and understand the lay of the land. Don't know what is going on in your life for you to behave like that but these boards are not the place to take out your anger.

Certainly right about teams "Looking for specific needs." One teams "Need" seems to be players with wealthy parents.
Too bad about the better, more skilled players that don't make the team.

Which team is that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many a "family member" tried out for other programs and would have left if given the chance, didn't make their team so why is it such a shock that family member didn't make original team? The toughest situation is for the guy who didn't have the opportunity to try out somewhere else because they thought their kid was a lock. I've seen good players cut because teams were looking for a specific need. You can't win championships with a team full of Kobe Bryants, players need to compliment each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not judging anyone or any team just think that if you join a team because of what you are told and that does not happen then I think you falsely represented yourself. I never realized it was so cut throat but I am learning that it is. No one is complaining just discussing. It is people like you that bash other people and bring stupid things like grammar ( did not know this was school) and other things into the conversation that ruin it for everyone else just trying to get information and understand the lay of the land. Don't know what is going on in your life for you to behave like that but these boards are not the place to take out your anger.

Certainly right about teams "Looking for specific needs." One teams "Need" seems to be players with wealthy parents.
Too bad about the better, more skilled players that don't make the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

Don't do it. Very few coaches as most were at Philly Freshman.

Philly is supposed to have a lot of coaches coming this year. I guess it will be wait and see but hope to see coaches from all divisions for all boys who want to play college ball

I've been to the Philly Showcase last few years, it is swarmed by college coaches. My oldest son was noticed there. But I wonder if big schools send staff to both venues?

Head coaches go to philly freshman. So who goes to the fall classic on Long Island the same weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Head coaches go to philly freshman. So who goes to the fall classic on Long Island the same weekend?

Assistant coaches and many programs have respected reps at most events that report back to coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

The coaches and their staffs will be spread thin that weekend:

Jake Reed in Charlotte
Madlax East Coast Fall Showcase at Landon School in DC
Warrior Diamond Showcase at St. Paul's School in Baltimore
Philly Showcase

That is a lot of ground to cover.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

Don't do it. Very few coaches as most were at Philly Freshman.

Philly is supposed to have a lot of coaches coming this year. I guess it will be wait and see but hope to see coaches from all divisions for all boys who want to play college ball

I've been to the Philly Showcase last few years, it is swarmed by college coaches. My oldest son was noticed there. But I wonder if big schools send staff to both venues?

Who are you kidding with the last few years thing? according to their website this will be the 3rd year. "In 2014 only our second year the Freshman Showcase weekend had 54 college coaches attend." Seems to me you're trying to promote something for some reason, does your program have a club attending? Are you trying to convince all the other parents out there that this is a must tournament and since you have a team in it you are a must play for program?

I would guess the EXPRESS?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which team is that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many a "family member" tried out for other programs and would have left if given the chance, didn't make their team so why is it such a shock that family member didn't make original team? The toughest situation is for the guy who didn't have the opportunity to try out somewhere else because they thought their kid was a lock. I've seen good players cut because teams were looking for a specific need. You can't win championships with a team full of Kobe Bryants, players need to compliment each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not judging anyone or any team just think that if you join a team because of what you are told and that does not happen then I think you falsely represented yourself. I never realized it was so cut throat but I am learning that it is. No one is complaining just discussing. It is people like you that bash other people and bring stupid things like grammar ( did not know this was school) and other things into the conversation that ruin it for everyone else just trying to get information and understand the lay of the land. Don't know what is going on in your life for you to behave like that but these boards are not the place to take out your anger.

Certainly right about teams "Looking for specific needs." One teams "Need" seems to be players with wealthy parents.
Too bad about the better, more skilled players that don't make the team.

Is that the smell of sour grapes> Sounds like someone needs some counseling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whats with Revolution having more tryouts? Did they not fill their rosters?

No different then any other organization. It's a money grab in that the more kids they get the more teams they can form. They can have a triple elite , double elite , single elite and a B team. Pathetic I know. Maybe they will get their uniforms by the third tournament this year or at least get uniforms . Last years were newspapers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

Don't do it. Very few coaches as most were at Philly Freshman.

Philly is supposed to have a lot of coaches coming this year. I guess it will be wait and see but hope to see coaches from all divisions for all boys who want to play college ball

I've been to the Philly Showcase last few years, it is swarmed by college coaches. My oldest son was noticed there. But I wonder if big schools send staff to both venues?

Who are you kidding with the last few years thing? according to their website this will be the 3rd year. "In 2014 only our second year the Freshman Showcase weekend had 54 college coaches attend." Seems to me you're trying to promote something for some reason, does your program have a club attending? Are you trying to convince all the other parents out there that this is a must tournament and since you have a team in it you are a must play for program?

aren't all these showcases just money grabs, its tough to get looked at by 50 coaches when your son can get into only a 3rd of the schools and wants to attend maybe a handful of them. I am following the lead of a friend who did a lot of research and found out what colleges his son could get into and also programs where he has the skill to play. He did the prospect weekends and made sure he contacted the schools prior and sent their Childs credentials and videos.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

Don't do it. Very few coaches as most were at Philly Freshman.

Philly is supposed to have a lot of coaches coming this year. I guess it will be wait and see but hope to see coaches from all divisions for all boys who want to play college ball

I've been to the Philly Showcase last few years, it is swarmed by college coaches. My oldest son was noticed there. But I wonder if big schools send staff to both venues?

Who are you kidding with the last few years thing? according to their website this will be the 3rd year. "In 2014 only our second year the Freshman Showcase weekend had 54 college coaches attend." Seems to me you're trying to promote something for some reason, does your program have a club attending? Are you trying to convince all the other parents out there that this is a must tournament and since you have a team in it you are a must play for program?

Relax, no conspiracy to smoke out. There are two Philly showcases in November, which are you referencing? Perhaps I opined on the wrong showcase.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

Don't do it. Very few coaches as most were at Philly Freshman.

Philly is supposed to have a lot of coaches coming this year. I guess it will be wait and see but hope to see coaches from all divisions for all boys who want to play college ball

I've been to the Philly Showcase last few years, it is swarmed by college coaches. My oldest son was noticed there. But I wonder if big schools send staff to both venues?

Who are you kidding with the last few years thing? according to their website this will be the 3rd year. "In 2014 only our second year the Freshman Showcase weekend had 54 college coaches attend." Seems to me you're trying to promote something for some reason, does your program have a club attending? Are you trying to convince all the other parents out there that this is a must tournament and since you have a team in it you are a must play for program?

Relax, no conspiracy to smoke out. There are two Philly showcases in November, which are you referencing? Perhaps I opined on the wrong showcase.

The Philly Fall Showcase will get a better coach turnout than Nike Blue Chip for sure. Larger schools send coaches/assistant coaches to both.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have opinions on the value of the Nike Blue Chip event in Charlotte during Nov.? Appreciate it.

Don't do it. Very few coaches as most were at Philly Freshman.

Philly is supposed to have a lot of coaches coming this year. I guess it will be wait and see but hope to see coaches from all divisions for all boys who want to play college ball

I've been to the Philly Showcase last few years, it is swarmed by college coaches. My oldest son was noticed there. But I wonder if big schools send staff to both venues?

Who are you kidding with the last few years thing? according to their website this will be the 3rd year. "In 2014 only our second year the Freshman Showcase weekend had 54 college coaches attend." Seems to me you're trying to promote something for some reason, does your program have a club attending? Are you trying to convince all the other parents out there that this is a must tournament and since you have a team in it you are a must play for program?

The Philly Showcase has been around for longer than 2 or 3 years, you are incorrect and need to check your facts. How do I know? Our club has attended the last 3. I agree with prior posters, this is the top showcase for the Fall. My son was not a top D1 player but did eventually accept an offer from a very good school and program. No complaints.

Anyone on Bluefish? So far so good. Great communication and fall practices and tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone on Bluefish? So far so good. Great communication and fall practices and tournaments.

What tournaments are they in this fall?

Question on Philly Freshman individual Showcase. We submited application and coaches nomination inack at end of July. Didn't hear anything, emailed the nxt contact and just the other day he came back that he was wait listed. Anyone know what the selection process is? Was July really to late?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone on Bluefish? So far so good. Great communication and fall practices and tournaments.

It's usually great in the beginning...give it time!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question on Philly Freshman individual Showcase. We submited application and coaches nomination inack at end of July. Didn't hear anything, emailed the nxt contact and just the other day he came back that he was wait listed. Anyone know what the selection process is? Was July really to late?

I'm not really clear on the process but I do know that my son received his invite in early September.

Thanks, when did you put in the application and coaches nomination?

How does the invitation only process work for Maverik Showtime- specifically fir 2019's?

Who really gets the invites?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does the invitation only process work for Maverik Showtime- specifically fir 2019's?

Who really gets the invites?

It works the same for all grades. Coach, both HS and club of prominent programs receive between 2-5 invitations. They distribute as they see fit. Many invitations will not wind up in the hands of the most deserving kids, but rather the politically connected.

Anyone know anything about LI Tomahawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does the invitation only process work for Maverik Showtime- specifically fir 2019's?

Who really gets the invites?

It works the same for all grades. Coach, both HS and club of prominent programs receive between 2-5 invitations. They distribute as they see fit. Many invitations will not wind up in the hands of the most deserving kids, but rather the politically connected.

Maybe in HS, but on club it's the best players. Also possible to petition Showtime with solid recommendation. My son got in that way last year. Got invite this via club.

Did Legacy 2019 team fold?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Legacy 2019 team fold?

.. They had 3 teams last year I am sure some kids stayed.

I don't believe any stayed

Some guys were saying they heard they are not doing the 2019 team now. Possibly wouldn't be a competitive team. But im sure if some kids stayed and they combined their b team from last year the team would be solid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Legacy 2019 team fold?

Yes all 3 folded

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Legacy 2019 team fold?

Yes all 3 folded

So now they don't have a 2019 and didn't the 2018 fold?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Legacy 2019 team fold?

Yes all 3 folded

So now they don't have a 2019 and didn't the 2018 fold?

The 2018 team did not fold...stop making stuff up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Legacy 2019 team fold?

Yes all 3 folded

If you combined all
Three teams you might have had a competitive B team ..that's about it . It was never truly a good a team

2019 Commandos - 2013-2014 school year was a great team. They had players who loved to play the game of lacrosse and more importantly a coach who knew how to get the most out of a player. The boys wanted to attend the practices and loved playing i. The tournaments, win or loose.

Then came 2014-15 school year. The club dynamic changed and so did the coaches. This time even more talent joined the team---wanting to be a part if that great team. However, coaches changed and unfortunately for the players, it was not the same atmosphere any longer.

The coaching staff for this team was not what the players and parents wanted for their sons going into a pivotal year. Who knows, things could revert back to the way it was and next year and everyone might come back.

Remember, nothing is ever constant like change.

Good luck to all of the players this fall. It will be fun facing each other wearing new colors.

Well said.

Perhaps this has been answered, it seems a rather obvious question, but one I don't recall seeing. How come none of the travel programs, ie Express/91 etc don't play regular games? Why just tournaments? Wouldn't it be logical for these programs to play each other in a regular game, non tournament? Any thoughts answers to this question, and please let's try to keep it civilized!! Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Legacy 2019 team fold?

Yes all 3 folded

If you combined all
Three teams you might have had a competitive B team ..that's about it . It was never truly a good a team

One 2019 kid went down to the 2020 team. Maybe there was nowhere else to go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Perhaps this has been answered, it seems a rather obvious question, but one I don't recall seeing. How come none of the travel programs, ie Express/91 etc don't play regular games? Why just tournaments? Wouldn't it be logical for these programs to play each other in a regular game, non tournament? Any thoughts answers to this question, and please let's try to keep it civilized!! Thanks

They used to at OBLL, but I think that's defunct.

I agree . I'd like to see some of these teams play full fields , full games , etc. let some endurance and athleticism play more of a part in the games and to get a better read on the individual player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree . I'd like to see some of these teams play full fields , full games , etc. let some endurance and athleticism play more of a part in the games and to get a better read on the individual player.

What are you saying because you are confusing me..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Legacy 2019 team fold?

Yes all 3 folded

If you combined all
Three teams you might have had a competitive B team ..that's about it . It was never truly a good a team

One 2019 kid went down to the 2020 team. Maybe there was nowhere else to go?

Was DELETED son?

Viper lacrosse is looking for 1 midfield 2019 player
Call Tom 516 426 0844

Yes all of a sudden DELETED young enough to play for 2020. Why didn't he play with them last year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 Commandos - 2013-2014 school year was a great team. They had players who loved to play the game of lacrosse and more importantly a coach who knew how to get the most out of a player. The boys wanted to attend the practices and loved playing i. The tournaments, win or loose.

Then came 2014-15 school year. The club dynamic changed and so did the coaches. This time even more talent joined the team---wanting to be a part if that great team. However, coaches changed and unfortunately for the players, it was not the same atmosphere any longer.

The coaching staff for this team was not what the players and parents wanted for their sons going into a pivotal year. Who knows, things could revert back to the way it was and next year and everyone might come back.

Remember, nothing is ever constant like change.

Good luck to all of the players this fall. It will be fun facing each other wearing new colors.

Unfortunately due to the drama they no longer will be wearing a 2019 legacy jersey at all. A shame that a few rotten apples spoiled the entire bunch!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes all of a sudden DELETED young enough to play for 2020. Why didn't he play with them last year?

Because he's in 9th grade, whaaaat?? Wild west of lax!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes all of a sudden the Coaches son was young enough to play for 2020. Why didn't he play with them last year?

Because he's in 9th grade, whaaaat?? Wild west of lax!

I am assuming his birthday is in October or November which makes him eligible to play 2020 but he is probably academically and socially sound and his parents didn't need to hold him back just for sports reasons unlike some people. I guess you couldn't figure that out because your the one that was academically challenged growing up.

Have a nice day

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes all of a sudden the Coaches son was young enough to play for 2020. Why didn't he play with them last year?

Because he's in 9th grade, whaaaat?? Wild west of lax!

I am assuming his birthday is in October or November which makes him eligible to play 2020 but he is probably academically and socially sound and his parents didn't need to hold him back just for sports reasons unlike some people. I guess you couldn't figure that out because your the one that was academically challenged growing up.

Have a nice day

Birthday month has nothing to due with Grade, if he is a High School Freshman his grad year is 2019 regardless of age. Yes he would be Eligable for U15 but not 2020 divisions.

Anyone read the story about the HS football wrestler that was held back to gain an advantage over his peers... Guess what a NJ senator did.... and he is pushing a bill to limit your years of eligibility if you hold back in grade 6/7/8 when an issue of academics is not apparent.

It is also been heard as rumors in the congress... They may actually look at this before trying to regulate fan duel/draft kings and those other fantasy sites... could get interesting especially when that em[ployee just broke the bank at Fan Duel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 Commandos - 2013-2014 school year was a great team. They had players who loved to play the game of lacrosse and more importantly a coach who knew how to get the most out of a player. The boys wanted to attend the practices and loved playing i. The tournaments, win or loose.

Then came 2014-15 school year. The club dynamic changed and so did the coaches. This time even more talent joined the team---wanting to be a part if that great team. However, coaches changed and unfortunately for the players, it was not the same atmosphere any longer.

The coaching staff for this team was not what the players and parents wanted for their sons going into a pivotal year. Who knows, things could revert back to the way it was and next year and everyone might come back.

Remember, nothing is ever constant like change.

Good luck to all of the players this fall. It will be fun facing each other wearing new colors.

Unfortunately due to the drama they no longer will be wearing a 2019 legacy jersey at all. A shame that a few rotten apples spoiled the entire bunch!!!

if you go apple picking you may see a tree from the distance, that tree may seem real nice, but as you get closer to it, it is rotten to the core and the apples that drop from it don't roll to fall from the tree. So what do you do? You go to the next tree and enjoy the bunch of apple from there.

how do you like d'em apples.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone read the story about the HS football wrestler that was held back to gain an advantage over his peers... Guess what a NJ senator did.... and he is pushing a bill to limit your years of eligibility if you hold back in grade 6/7/8 when an issue of academics is not apparent.

It is also been heard as rumors in the congress... They may actually look at this before trying to regulate fan duel/draft kings and those other fantasy sites... could get interesting especially when that em[ployee just broke the bank at Fan Duel.

You think Congress, THE US CONGRESS is going to regulate the youth lacrosse age issue? To me that would be a sign of the end of the world as we know it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone read the story about the HS football wrestler that was held back to gain an advantage over his peers... Guess what a NJ senator did.... and he is pushing a bill to limit your years of eligibility if you hold back in grade 6/7/8 when an issue of academics is not apparent.

It is also been heard as rumors in the congress... They may actually look at this before trying to regulate fan duel/draft kings and those other fantasy sites... could get interesting especially when that em[ployee just broke the bank at Fan Duel.

You think Congress, THE US CONGRESS is going to regulate the youth lacrosse age issue? To me that would be a sign of the end of the world as we know it.

end of the world, come on.
Is it not plausible, insurance is big business. Insurances companies are hearing about the potential issues of the blurred qualifications regarding these youth tournaments. The liability will fall squarely on them. they want big brother to regulate so there are clear lines to cover and they arent the bad guys. There will continue to be the games now the risk will not be as great. Ambiguity doesn't bode well for them.

did you read that football article, if you did you too would try and right the wrong.

Listen this wasn't done for Lacrosse it was done due to football but all sports will have one uniform dating policy. Again if your that good you'll play up.

He can play 2020 since he reclassed...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes all of a sudden DELETED was young enough to play for 2020. Why didn't he play with them last year?

Because he's in 9th grade, whaaaat?? Wild west of lax!

I am assuming his birthday is in October or November which makes him eligible to play 2020 but he is probably academically and socially sound and his parents didn't need to hold him back just for sports reasons unlike some people. I guess you couldn't figure that out because your the one that was academically challenged growing up.

Have a nice day

Please stop it. There is no team this year. That is the sad truth. As I have heard, most of the boys have all made it on teams that will help them in their futures. Many are together on various teams; and Im sure the players and families will continue their close friendships that were created regardless of their current team. You will see each other at tournaments and hotels.

Good luck to all of the 2019's Legacy players whether on the original or second year team. I know it is hard but try not to harp on the past but look forward to the bright futures these boys have ahead of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He can play 2020 since he reclassed...

Heard he did not reclass, is currently in 9th grade.

I agree give it a rest. All these boys have moved on and will make other teams even stronger for some great lacrosse. Parents are still friends no matter what team their kids are on. They are only young once so enjoy it now !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes all of a sudden DELETED was young enough to play for 2020. Why didn't he play with them last year?

Because he's in 9th grade, whaaaat?? Wild west of lax!

I am assuming his birthday is in October or November which makes him eligible to play 2020 but he is probably academically and socially sound and his parents didn't need to hold him back just for sports reasons unlike some people. I guess you couldn't figure that out because your the one that was academically challenged growing up.

Have a nice day

Please stop it. There is no team this year. That is the sad truth. As I have heard, most of the boys have all made it on teams that will help them in their futures. Many are together on various teams; and Im sure the players and families will continue their close friendships that were created regardless of their current team. You will see each other at tournaments and hotels.

Good luck to all of the 2019's Legacy players whether on the original or second year team. I know it is hard but try not to harp on the past but look forward to the bright futures these boys have ahead of them.

dishonest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

dishonest

What are you talking about?

Get off this site and check your kids phone. Snap chat or whatever the [lacrosse] they call those apps... check there homework.... sit down and tall about your family.... be a parent and stop this nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He can play 2020 since he reclassed...

Heard he did not reclass, is currently in 9th grade.

Hop, please stop the posting of comments about a specific child. This boy is 14 and what his parents choose to do is not anyone's business. Can posts in regard to this young man be removed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He can play 2020 since he reclassed...

Heard he did not reclass, is currently in 9th grade.

Hop, please stop the posting of comments about a specific child. This boy is 14 and what his parents choose to do is not anyone's business. Can posts in regard to this young man be removed.

You are correct and I fixed the posts. I do not allow any identification of players BUT sometimes things get past us. My apologies!

When kids reclass or just plain play down, it does become other people's business because many feel it is a sleazy thing to do.it may affect kids doing the morally right thing by taking roster spots, increasing the chance of injury, etc. This is probably why New Jersey has introduced legislation to discourage this practice by imposing eligibility restrictions on those who chose to do this. Hope other states follow the lead.

Oh, you are so wrong - It is absolutely our business!

It is our kids who lose an opportunity for a spot on the team that the cheating child just took.

It is our kids who have to play against the cheaters week after week, and who practice and play their hearts out to compete with the cheaters who are playing down.

It is us parents who have to explain to our kids the concept of the cheaters and how life isn't always fair, but be true to yourself, play your best and have fun.

It is our kids who played with/against the child on 2019 and then ask how is he playing on 2020 now. oh, wait, I should just tell my son he is imagining it? Or it's none of our business? WRONG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, you are so wrong - It is absolutely our business!

It is our kids who lose an opportunity for a spot on the team that the cheating child just took.

It is our kids who have to play against the cheaters week after week, and who practice and play their hearts out to compete with the cheaters who are playing down.

It is us parents who have to explain to our kids the concept of the cheaters and how life isn't always fair, but be true to yourself, play your best and have fun.

It is our kids who played with/against the child on 2019 and then ask how is he playing on 2020 now. oh, wait, I should just tell my son he is imagining it? Or it's none of our business? WRONG

Until there are rules in place against these things, it will be none of your business. They are not cheaters if it is permitted, sadly.

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, you are so wrong - It is absolutely our business!

It is our kids who lose an opportunity for a spot on the team that the cheating child just took.

It is our kids who have to play against the cheaters week after week, and who practice and play their hearts out to compete with the cheaters who are playing down.

It is us parents who have to explain to our kids the concept of the cheaters and how life isn't always fair, but be true to yourself, play your best and have fun.

It is our kids who played with/against the child on 2019 and then ask how is he playing on 2020 now. oh, wait, I should just tell my son he is imagining it? Or it's none of our business? WRONG

Until there are rules in place against these things, it will be none of your business. They are not cheaters if it is permitted, sadly.

This forum might be the very best place to to start the cheating discussion and advocate for changing the rules. Free flow of ideas and info is what these boards should be about. I agree, leave the kids names aside, yes- but also definitely expose the unfairness and inequity. This all leaves a bad taste in our mouths.

As part of signing up to one of the many tournaments my son attended, he was asked to create an account with Captain U. Since it was free he filled out as much as he could and has updated it from time to time with new info and links. However he never bought into the premium stuff. From time to time he gets emails from Captain U indicating a coach has 'found' him. Does anyone have any experience with Captain U? Is the cost of the premium service worth it? Do college coaches really use it? Any insight would be helpful. Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As part of signing up to one of the many tournaments my son attended, he was asked to create an account with Captain U. Since it was free he filled out as much as he could and has updated it from time to time with new info and links. However he never bought into the premium stuff. From time to time he gets emails from Captain U indicating a coach has 'found' him. Does anyone have any experience with Captain U? Is the cost of the premium service worth it? Do college coaches really use it? Any insight would be helpful. Thanks

My son attended a prospect camp where the coach said very bluntly that recruiting services do not really benefit your player. The quote was, "I'm a firm believer that your child can represent themselves.". A tournament we attended had a similar arrangement with NCSA and they now email constantly. I do not believe they are of any real help.

hey suitmaker is it time to think that you might have been the cancer? 2 teams. 2 years. planning on ruining another summer for a group of families? went from the top to the bottom pretty fast.karma is a [lacrosse].john strack {a former unhappy customer} .............................................................[nquote=Anonymous]Get off this site and check your kids phone. Snap chat or whatever the [lacrosse] they call those apps... check there homework.... sit down and tall about your family.... be a parent and stop this nonsense. [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, you are so wrong - It is absolutely our business!

It is our kids who lose an opportunity for a spot on the team that the cheating child just took.

It is our kids who have to play against the cheaters week after week, and who practice and play their hearts out to compete with the cheaters who are playing down.

It is us parents who have to explain to our kids the concept of the cheaters and how life isn't always fair, but be true to yourself, play your best and have fun.

It is our kids who played with/against the child on 2019 and then ask how is he playing on 2020 now. oh, wait, I should just tell my son he is imagining it? Or it's none of our business? WRONG

Until there are rules in place against these things, it will be none of your business. They are not cheaters if it is permitted, sadly.

This forum might be the very best place to to start the cheating discussion and advocate for changing the rules. Free flow of ideas and info is what these boards should be about. I agree, leave the kids names aside, yes- but also definitely expose the unfairness and inequity. This all leaves a bad taste in our mouths.

New Jersey senator is submitting a bill to prevent re-classing in middle-school.. Saw that on a twitter feed. Would be nice if other states started to consider it and take it a little further.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As part of signing up to one of the many tournaments my son attended, he was asked to create an account with Captain U. Since it was free he filled out as much as he could and has updated it from time to time with new info and links. However he never bought into the premium stuff. From time to time he gets emails from Captain U indicating a coach has 'found' him. Does anyone have any experience with Captain U? Is the cost of the premium service worth it? Do college coaches really use it? Any insight would be helpful. Thanks

Read the online reviews it is not a valid tool for reciting purposes. The "found" message are not real

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As part of signing up to one of the many tournaments my son attended, he was asked to create an account with Captain U. Since it was free he filled out as much as he could and has updated it from time to time with new info and links. However he never bought into the premium stuff. From time to time he gets emails from Captain U indicating a coach has 'found' him. Does anyone have any experience with Captain U? Is the cost of the premium service worth it? Do college coaches really use it? Any insight would be helpful. Thanks

Read the online reviews it is not a valid tool for reciting purposes. The "found" message are not real

What makes you think the "found" messages are not real?

Not saying you don't have a gripe, but the stuff I just saw and read makes this Asaps fables. Review your kids phones

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hey suitmaker is it time to think that you might have been the cancer? 2 teams. 2 years. planning on ruining another summer for a group of families? went from the top to the bottom pretty fast.karma is a [lacrosse].john strack {a former unhappy customer} .............................................................[nquote=Anonymous]Get off this site and check your kids phone. Snap chat or whatever the [lacrosse] they call those apps... check there homework.... sit down and tall about your family.... be a parent and stop this nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

When kids reclass or just plain play down, it does become other people's business because many feel it is a sleazy thing to do.it may affect kids doing the morally right thing by taking roster spots, increasing the chance of injury, etc. This is probably why New Jersey has introduced legislation to discourage this practice by imposing eligibility restrictions on those who chose to do this. Hope other states follow the lead.

you can always declare you're going to PG and play down starting in 9th grade. drop into the 2020 class for recruiting. coach can decide later if he wants you in 2020 or back in 2019. breschi did this with a recruit from texas.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When kids reclass or just plain play down, it does become other people's business because many feel it is a sleazy thing to do.it may affect kids doing the morally right thing by taking roster spots, increasing the chance of injury, etc. This is probably why New Jersey has introduced legislation to discourage this practice by imposing eligibility restrictions on those who chose to do this. Hope other states follow the lead.

Your a loser if you cared so much put your name down and ask the parents to call you. Get over it and find a new hobby.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, you are so wrong - It is absolutely our business!

It is our kids who lose an opportunity for a spot on the team that the cheating child just took.

It is our kids who have to play against the cheaters week after week, and who practice and play their hearts out to compete with the cheaters who are playing down.

It is us parents who have to explain to our kids the concept of the cheaters and how life isn't always fair, but be true to yourself, play your best and have fun.

It is our kids who played with/against the child on 2019 and then ask how is he playing on 2020 now. oh, wait, I should just tell my son he is imagining it? Or it's none of our business? WRONG

In stead of worrying about it go get your kid better. It's a reality check for you. Your kid is not that good. The only thing correct in your post is. Life is not fair so now get over it. There will be bigger disappointments in his life than thisnn

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As part of signing up to one of the many tournaments my son attended, he was asked to create an account with Captain U. Since it was free he filled out as much as he could and has updated it from time to time with new info and links. However he never bought into the premium stuff. From time to time he gets emails from Captain U indicating a coach has 'found' him. Does anyone have any experience with Captain U? Is the cost of the premium service worth it? Do college coaches really use it? Any insight would be helpful. Thanks

Read the online reviews it is not a valid tool for reciting purposes. The "found" message are not real

What makes you think the "found" messages are not real?

Read the online reviews and decide for yourself. Specifically there are several that speak to having a child be "found" by a coach and that coach did not "find" that player on Captin U.
I'm not saying take my word for it, I'm saying investigate it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, you are so wrong - It is absolutely our business!

It is our kids who lose an opportunity for a spot on the team that the cheating child just took.

It is our kids who have to play against the cheaters week after week, and who practice and play their hearts out to compete with the cheaters who are playing down.

It is us parents who have to explain to our kids the concept of the cheaters and how life isn't always fair, but be true to yourself, play your best and have fun.

It is our kids who played with/against the child on 2019 and then ask how is he playing on 2020 now. oh, wait, I should just tell my son he is imagining it? Or it's none of our business? WRONG

In stead of worrying about it go get your kid better. It's a reality check for you. Your kid is not that good. The only thing correct in your post is. Life is not fair so now get over it. There will be bigger disappointments in his life than thisnn

That's where you're wrong, my kid is good, very good. He works hard and plays fair. And I'm not really worried about the holdbacks for my son, it's more that I'm worried about it destroying the integrity and growth of the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When kids reclass or just plain play down, it does become other people's business because many feel it is a sleazy thing to do.it may affect kids doing the morally right thing by taking roster spots, increasing the chance of injury, etc. This is probably why New Jersey has introduced legislation to discourage this practice by imposing eligibility restrictions on those who chose to do this. Hope other states follow the lead.

Here's where you're right, playing down is cheating. For example TLI typically plays players down, as a further example at 175 this past summer, their 2018 players played against our true 2019 team in the 2019 bracket as a 2019 team, that's cheating. However you are wrong, reclassing a player, which is a decision a parent makes, is not cheating, it is allowed and not a violation.
If you sincerely feel it is unfair, your incessant attacking of children will not change things. Be an activist, lobby for change in a forum that matters, and stop complaining about how it isn't fair to reclass.

Is it true All Greys are now the 2019 legacy team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true All Greys are now the 2019 legacy team?

that's one way to start a team after all 3 of yours fall apart. they'll ruin that one too.

Yes it is look at the Legacy website 2019 All Greys,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true All Greys are now the 2019 legacy team?

Wow i guess good for legacy getting a legitimate team. I guess they couldn't get one of their own. So what happens to the kids who were told they had a spot on that legacy team?

I think you'll see kids quit from All Greys before they start practicing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow i guess good for legacy getting a legitimate team. I guess they couldn't get one of their own. So what happens to the kids who were told they had a spot on that legacy team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you'll see kids quit from All Greys before they start practicing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow i guess good for legacy getting a legitimate team. I guess they couldn't get one of their own. So what happens to the kids who were told they had a spot on that legacy team?

Why would they quit? Who is the coach? The all greys coach from last season?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you'll see kids quit from All Greys before they start practicing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow i guess good for legacy getting a legitimate team. I guess they couldn't get one of their own. So what happens to the kids who were told they had a spot on that legacy team?

Why would they quit? Who is the coach? The all greys coach from last season?

why would they quit? maybe the same reasons the kids from the 3 teams last year all quit

I guess you don't know Legacy very well...The head coach MT quit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you'll see kids quit from All Greys before they start practicing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow i guess good for legacy getting a legitimate team. I guess they couldn't get one of their own. So what happens to the kids who were told they had a spot on that legacy team?

Why would they quit? Who is the coach? The all greys coach from last season?

I think you'll see kids quit from All Greys before they start practicing.

Wow i guess good for legacy getting a legitimate team. I guess they couldn't get one of their own. So what happens to the kids who were told they had a spot on that legacy team?

Why would they quit? Who is the coach? The all greys coach from last season?

why would they quit? maybe the same reasons the kids from the 3 teams last year all quit

Why do you feel the need to comment on something that you have no insight on. You have no relationship with the teams and no nothing about their relationship. Any commentary from you is baseless and therefore worthless

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you don't know Legacy very well...The head coach MT quit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you'll see kids quit from All Greys before they start practicing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow i guess good for legacy getting a legitimate team. I guess they couldn't get one of their own. So what happens to the kids who were told they had a spot on that legacy team?

Why would they quit? Who is the coach? The all greys coach from last season?

I know that MT is not coaching 2019, That's why I asked who is coaching 2019 Legacy?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you don't know Legacy very well...The head coach MT quit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you'll see kids quit from All Greys before they start practicing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow i guess good for legacy getting a legitimate team. I guess they couldn't get one of their own. So what happens to the kids who were told they had a spot on that legacy team?

Why would they quit? Who is the coach? The all greys coach from last season?

Deleted. Where is he now?

Please stop talking about stuff you have no idea about. The all greys were folding and did not want to put out a team for the that age. Legacy helped themselves out and the All greys out by taking these kids on and giving them a place to play. just like True blue, igloo, and whoever else folded their teams this season. Kids where going to be left without places to play. So eveyone prospers in this situation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please stop talking about stuff you have no idea about. The all greys were folding and did not want to put out a team for the that age. Legacy helped themselves out and the All greys out by taking these kids on and giving them a place to play. just like True blue, igloo, and whoever else folded their teams this season. Kids where going to be left without places to play. So eveyone prospers in this situation.

Why so snippy? I'm glad the boys found a team to play on, I was simply asking who the coach of the 2019 All Greys/Legacy team was going to be? Isn't that what this board is all about, information?

another person who knows nothing. No reason for All Greys to fold. Just an opportunity for two entities to help themselves--no merger, no takeover---that's it. Guys, beautiful day, get out from behind the computer, clean yourself up and help your wife in the yard...No more statements or speculation on what you don't know please....thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

another person who knows nothing. No reason for All Greys to fold. Just an opportunity for two entities to help themselves--no merger, no takeover---that's it. Guys, beautiful day, get out from behind the computer, clean yourself up and help your wife in the yard...No more statements or speculation on what you don't know please....thanks

What are you talking about? Someone is simply asking who the coaches are. If you don't know, that's ok. Why are you babbling about yard work?

How's the Blowfish team doing?

Prospect Days, Prospect Camps, Phiily Freshman, 3d Blue Chip, Maverik Showtime----

Anyone who has experience with any of the above, who is of sound mind and not filled with contempt, please advise.

My son is a 2020 player. I am Looking to find out if he should be looking for an invitation to attend any of these next year, what I need to do, when and how to go about getting an invite. He does not play on 91 or Express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prospect Days, Prospect Camps, Phiily Freshman, 3d Blue Chip, Maverik Showtime----

Anyone who has experience with any of the above, who is of sound mind and not filled with contempt, please advise.

My son is a 2020 player. I am Looking to find out if he should be looking for an invitation to attend any of these next year, what I need to do, when and how to go about getting an invite. He does not play on 91 or Express.

Then you have to get your club coach to help! That is critical.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prospect Days, Prospect Camps, Phiily Freshman, 3d Blue Chip, Maverik Showtime----

Anyone who has experience with any of the above, who is of sound mind and not filled with contempt, please advise.

My son is a 2020 player. I am Looking to find out if he should be looking for an invitation to attend any of these next year, what I need to do, when and how to go about getting an invite. He does not play on 91 or Express.

You don't have to do anything for at least a year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prospect Days, Prospect Camps, Phiily Freshman, 3d Blue Chip, Maverik Showtime----

Anyone who has experience with any of the above, who is of sound mind and not filled with contempt, please advise.

My son is a 2020 player. I am Looking to find out if he should be looking for an invitation to attend any of these next year, what I need to do, when and how to go about getting an invite. He does not play on 91 or Express.

Then you have to get your club coach to help! That is critical.

Good luck with that! Invites will go to daddy coaches kids, political kids, and maybe, just maybe, a kid that actually deservea it!

Sounds like your son was passed over. This doesn't happen where we play, the boys that deserve it are the ones who get the invite to the big ones. The others are invited elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prospect Days, Prospect Camps, Phiily Freshman, 3d Blue Chip, Maverik Showtime----

Anyone who has experience with any of the above, who is of sound mind and not filled with contempt, please advise.

My son is a 2020 player. I am Looking to find out if he should be looking for an invitation to attend any of these next year, what I need to do, when and how to go about getting an invite. He does not play on 91 or Express.

Then you have to get your club coach to help! That is critical.

Good luck with that! Invites will go to daddy coaches kids, political kids, and maybe, just maybe, a kid that actually deservea it!

Are parents really holding their kids back or is that a better way to put it then saying my kid got left back? It's better then being embarrassed. Not many people would be happy about telling others that their kid got held back in school. Some may use reclassification as way to protect the kid.

They are really holding them back. It seems nearly impossible to get "left back" in 8th grade. Teachers push them through to High School whether the kid learned a thing or not in 8th grade. It is sad, but the world needs ditch diggers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are parents really holding their kids back or is that a better way to put it then saying my kid got left back? It's better then being embarrassed. Not many people would be happy about telling others that their kid got held back in school. Some may use reclassification as way to protect the kid.

Please tell me your kidding with that question! Kids haven't got left back in 2o years, c'mon!

Maybe not anyone that you know of. Not saying all cases but I'm sure there's a couple here and there. You don't think that happens? Would you tell everyone that your kid was held back in school? I'm sure you wouldn't. Never say never. People are very private when it comes to stuff like that. You make it sound like I'm talking about all these kids that are being held back. Why would anyone want their kid to be held back? Oh it's for lacrosse, then that makes sense. I guess you know it all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you don't know Legacy very well...The head coach MT quit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you'll see kids quit from All Greys before they start practicing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow i guess good for legacy getting a legitimate team. I guess they couldn't get one of their own. So what happens to the kids who were told they had a spot on that legacy team?

Why would they quit? Who is the coach? The all greys coach from last season?

Deleted. Where is he now?

He did not quit, he's not coaching 2019.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe not anyone that you know of. Not saying all cases but I'm sure there's a couple here and there. You don't think that happens? Would you tell everyone that your kid was held back in school? I'm sure you wouldn't. Never say never. People are very private when it comes to stuff like that. You make it sound like I'm talking about all these kids that are being held back. Why would anyone want their kid to be held back? Oh it's for lacrosse, then that makes sense. I guess you know it all.

Kids do not get left back in public school, simply does not happen. You can do whatever you want in private because you're PAYING!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe not anyone that you know of. Not saying all cases but I'm sure there's a couple here and there. You don't think that happens? Would you tell everyone that your kid was held back in school? I'm sure you wouldn't. Never say never. People are very private when it comes to stuff like that. You make it sound like I'm talking about all these kids that are being held back. Why would anyone want their kid to be held back? Oh it's for lacrosse, then that makes sense. I guess you know it all.

Kids do not get left back in public school, simply does not happen. You can do whatever you want in private because you're PAYING!

Kids are not getting left back. Parents are sending their kids to a private school in 7th or 8th grade and then have them come back to public or private school the next year in the same grade. Being left back has a bad connotation so they came up with a new word for it "re-classification."

Now you have people in other parts of the country - including the kids of major club directors - who are doing it completely differently. They are letting their 11th grader who is a 2017 play with the the 2018's while still staying in 11th grade. The director then tells college coaches that they should be recruiting the player as a 2018 and if they take them as a 2018 then the kid will do a PG year after HS. This is really happening - it's ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe not anyone that you know of. Not saying all cases but I'm sure there's a couple here and there. You don't think that happens? Would you tell everyone that your kid was held back in school? I'm sure you wouldn't. Never say never. People are very private when it comes to stuff like that. You make it sound like I'm talking about all these kids that are being held back. Why would anyone want their kid to be held back? Oh it's for lacrosse, then that makes sense. I guess you know it all.

Kids do not get left back in public school, simply does not happen. You can do whatever you want in private because you're PAYING!

If they've made it to the 8th grade they aren't being held back by the school. And it shouldn't matter- if your kid struggles academically they all of a sudden need to be left back in lacrosse? No, academics and lacrosse do not go together hand in hand. The only reason someone drops down is because they are too small or not skilled enough to play with their peers. There is no difference. Kids get held back in school because they can't keep up. Kids reclass in lacrosse because they can't keep up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe not anyone that you know of. Not saying all cases but I'm sure there's a couple here and there. You don't think that happens? Would you tell everyone that your kid was held back in school? I'm sure you wouldn't. Never say never. People are very private when it comes to stuff like that. You make it sound like I'm talking about all these kids that are being held back. Why would anyone want their kid to be held back? Oh it's for lacrosse, then that makes sense. I guess you know it all.

Kids do not get left back in public school, simply does not happen. You can do whatever you want in private because you're PAYING!

Kids are not getting left back. Parents are sending their kids to a private school in 7th or 8th grade and then have them come back to public or private school the next year in the same grade. Being left back has a bad connotation so they came up with a new word for it "re-classification."

Now you have people in other parts of the country - including the kids of major club directors - who are doing it completely differently. They are letting their 11th grader who is a 2017 play with the the 2018's while still staying in 11th grade. The director then tells college coaches that they should be recruiting the player as a 2018 and if they take them as a 2018 then the kid will do a PG year after HS. This is really happening - it's ridiculous.

Happening on LI too. 2019 playing on 2020 team. In 9th grade. Shameful!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe not anyone that you know of. Not saying all cases but I'm sure there's a couple here and there. You don't think that happens? Would you tell everyone that your kid was held back in school? I'm sure you wouldn't. Never say never. People are very private when it comes to stuff like that. You make it sound like I'm talking about all these kids that are being held back. Why would anyone want their kid to be held back? Oh it's for lacrosse, then that makes sense. I guess you know it all.

Kids do not get left back in public school, simply does not happen. You can do whatever you want in private because you're PAYING!

Kids are not getting left back. Parents are sending their kids to a private school in 7th or 8th grade and then have them come back to public or private school the next year in the same grade. Being left back has a bad connotation so they came up with a new word for it "re-classification."

Now you have people in other parts of the country - including the kids of major club directors - who are doing it completely differently. They are letting their 11th grader who is a 2017 play with the the 2018's while still staying in 11th grade. The director then tells college coaches that they should be recruiting the player as a 2018 and if they take them as a 2018 then the kid will do a PG year after HS. This is really happening - it's ridiculous.

My children are in their appropriate grades. However, I do not see a problem with re-classing. For many, the ultimate goal of lacrosse has always been to help the player/student get accepted to the best college possible. In most cases parents hoped that their child would be accepted to a school that they would have no chance at without lacrosse.

People of means have been using the PG year for a long time. 30 plus years ago there were players on my team who did a PG year in order to gain acceptance into the University (and play lacrosse). These players came from affluent areas and the players / parents believed it to be worth the cost to attend a Prep School in order to expand their college opportunities.

It is what it is, I do not consider it unfair or cheating. Many parents have their children start kindergarden later than the the appropriate age, many do a PG year and some re-class. People are doing it in order to help their children. I would imagine that the thinking is long term - better school, better job, better life etc... It does not always work. We can all point to the person who did not go to college or dropped out or went to community college and is very successful financially. I know some who have done better than the guys who went to an Ivy League school. That said, with my kids I will bet on an Ivy every time.

I try to teach my kids to work hard and do their best not to worry about the other guy. We see the holdbacks and now the re-classed kids all the time. Who cares? If they challenge my kids, if they make it tougher for them, if we do not win the game so be it (its a good thing). Playing against tougher competition will only make my kids stronger. Maybe a re-class will take the spot of one of my children at their dream school who knows?

IMHO if the family wants to hold back, re-class, PG or non medical redshirt who cares. Someone once posted about a player who did a PG year and then redshirted during college only to come back and win the Tewaaraton Award. I don't think anyone said he was cheating or that it was unfair.

Anyone have an idea about the NLF event in Florida will it be all about express & 91 or about the best kids out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have an idea about the NLF event in Florida will it be all about express & 91 or about the best kids out there.

Aren't Express and 91 synonyms for "the best kids"?

Anyone see that Sweetlax just had the 4th kid from their 2019 team commit to Maryland? Terps now have 7 2019 verbals but 4 come from the same club.

I guess I'm a skeptic but I'm just wondering what leads to this situation. All 4 of these young men thought that of the 60+ D1 college programs that this was the perfect fit for them? And of all the 2019's that Maryland has evaluated from all of the countries top clubs these 4 were the most prized?

Interested to hear others opinions on this, just seems odd to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see that Sweetlax just had the 4th kid from their 2019 team commit to Maryland? Terps now have 7 2019 verbals but 4 come from the same club.

I guess I'm a skeptic but I'm just wondering what leads to this situation. All 4 of these young men thought that of the 60+ D1 college programs that this was the perfect fit for them? And of all the 2019's that Maryland has evaluated from all of the countries top clubs these 4 were the most prized?

Interested to hear others opinions on this, just seems odd to me.

Sweetlax will take kids from other clubs and add them to their tournament rosters. Two of the 2019 commits play for Blackwolf, FCA and Sweetlax. I guess when they commit, they commit as Sweetlax players.

Good let all these kids take those top lacrosse schools. Let them go there and fight getting playing time. Leaves spots open for my kid in the likes of Bryant Fairfield to name a few.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see that Sweetlax just had the 4th kid from their 2019 team commit to Maryland? Terps now have 7 2019 verbals but 4 come from the same club.

I guess I'm a skeptic but I'm just wondering what leads to this situation. All 4 of these young men thought that of the 60+ D1 college programs that this was the perfect fit for them? And of all the 2019's that Maryland has evaluated from all of the countries top clubs these 4 were the most prized?

Interested to hear others opinions on this, just seems odd to me.

Sweetlax will take kids from other clubs and add them to their tournament rosters. Two of the 2019 commits play for Blackwolf, FCA and Sweetlax. I guess when they commit, they commit as Sweetlax players.

That Sweetlax team is very good. It is a National team. They beat Crush easily last summer. You will see several more from that team commit soon. Although Sweetlax is Rochester based they recruit top kids from all over to play. The director is a good guy who is very friendly with the coaches of top programs. Other clubs are threatened by them because you will see some very good kids leave their current club for them, so they badmouth Sweetlax. There must be a reason a kid would leave their current team. Too much drama perhaps?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see that Sweetlax just had the 4th kid from their 2019 team commit to Maryland? Terps now have 7 2019 verbals but 4 come from the same club.

I guess I'm a skeptic but I'm just wondering what leads to this situation. All 4 of these young men thought that of the 60+ D1 college programs that this was the perfect fit for them? And of all the 2019's that Maryland has evaluated from all of the countries top clubs these 4 were the most prized?

Interested to hear others opinions on this, just seems odd to me.

Sweetlax will take kids from other clubs and add them to their tournament rosters. Two of the 2019 commits play for Blackwolf, FCA and Sweetlax. I guess when they commit, they commit as Sweetlax players.

That Sweetlax team is very good. It is a National team. They beat Crush easily last summer. You will see several more from that team commit soon. Although Sweetlax is Rochester based they recruit top kids from all over to play. The director is a good guy who is very friendly with the coaches of top programs. Other clubs are threatened by them because you will see some very good kids leave their current club for them, so they badmouth Sweetlax. There must be a reason a kid would leave their current team. Too much drama perhaps?

No one is threatened. Good coach and good team. Last summer they continued to play after many clubs were done for the summer so kids who still wanted to play played for them. The kids must enjoy the experience as they tend to list Sweetlax and not the other programs that they play for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see that Sweetlax just had the 4th kid from their 2019 team commit to Maryland? Terps now have 7 2019 verbals but 4 come from the same club.

I guess I'm a skeptic but I'm just wondering what leads to this situation. All 4 of these young men thought that of the 60+ D1 college programs that this was the perfect fit for them? And of all the 2019's that Maryland has evaluated from all of the countries top clubs these 4 were the most prized?

Interested to hear others opinions on this, just seems odd to me.

Sweetlax will take kids from other clubs and add them to their tournament rosters. Two of the 2019 commits play for Blackwolf, FCA and Sweetlax. I guess when they commit, they commit as Sweetlax players.

That Sweetlax team is very good. It is a National team. They beat Crush easily last summer. You will see several more from that team commit soon. Although Sweetlax is Rochester based they recruit top kids from all over to play. The director is a good guy who is very friendly with the coaches of top programs. Other clubs are threatened by them because you will see some very good kids leave their current club for them, so they badmouth Sweetlax. There must be a reason a kid would leave their current team. Too much drama perhaps?

No one is threatened. Good coach and good team. Last summer they continued to play after many clubs were done for the summer so kids who still wanted to play played for them. The kids must enjoy the experience as they tend to list Sweetlax and not the other programs that they play for.

Another Sweetlax 2019 commits today to Hopkins

Another 2000or was it 1999

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see that Sweetlax just had the 4th kid from their 2019 team commit to Maryland? Terps now have 7 2019 verbals but 4 come from the same club.

I guess I'm a skeptic but I'm just wondering what leads to this situation. All 4 of these young men thought that of the 60+ D1 college programs that this was the perfect fit for them? And of all the 2019's that Maryland has evaluated from all of the countries top clubs these 4 were the most prized?

Interested to hear others opinions on this, just seems odd to me.

Sweetlax will take kids from other clubs and add them to their tournament rosters. Two of the 2019 commits play for Blackwolf, FCA and Sweetlax. I guess when they commit, they commit as Sweetlax players.

That Sweetlax team is very good. It is a National team. They beat Crush easily last summer. You will see several more from that team commit soon. Although Sweetlax is Rochester based they recruit top kids from all over to play. The director is a good guy who is very friendly with the coaches of top programs. Other clubs are threatened by them because you will see some very good kids leave their current club for them, so they badmouth Sweetlax. There must be a reason a kid would leave their current team. Too much drama perhaps?

No one is threatened. Good coach and good team. Last summer they continued to play after many clubs were done for the summer so kids who still wanted to play played for them. The kids must enjoy the experience as they tend to list Sweetlax and not the other programs that they play for.

Another Sweetlax 2019 commits today to Hopkins

They have 7 now, next closest? Do any LI clubs have any?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see that Sweetlax just had the 4th kid from their 2019 team commit to Maryland? Terps now have 7 2019 verbals but 4 come from the same club.

I guess I'm a skeptic but I'm just wondering what leads to this situation. All 4 of these young men thought that of the 60+ D1 college programs that this was the perfect fit for them? And of all the 2019's that Maryland has evaluated from all of the countries top clubs these 4 were the most prized?

Interested to hear others opinions on this, just seems odd to me.

Sweetlax will take kids from other clubs and add them to their tournament rosters. Two of the 2019 commits play for Blackwolf, FCA and Sweetlax. I guess when they commit, they commit as Sweetlax players.

That Sweetlax team is very good. It is a National team. They beat Crush easily last summer. You will see several more from that team commit soon. Although Sweetlax is Rochester based they recruit top kids from all over to play. The director is a good guy who is very friendly with the coaches of top programs. Other clubs are threatened by them because you will see some very good kids leave their current club for them, so they badmouth Sweetlax. There must be a reason a kid would leave their current team. Too much drama perhaps?

No one is threatened. Good coach and good team. Last summer they continued to play after many clubs were done for the summer so kids who still wanted to play played for them. The kids must enjoy the experience as they tend to list Sweetlax and not the other programs that they play for.

Another Sweetlax 2019 commits today to Hopkins

They have 7 now, next closest? Do any LI clubs have any?

No LI kid has publicly given a verbal commitment. I suspect that several are likely very close.

D/LSM from 91
2 Mids from LIE
Several FO

What HS will have the first verbal? And what College will grab the First kid from LI?

Only 2 of the claimed 7 commits only play club ball for Sweetlax. The other play for True, FCA, Blackwolf.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only 2 of the claimed 7 commits only play club ball for Sweetlax. The other play for True, FCA, Blackwolf.

You mean used to. Many of them were noticed playing in the Inside Lacrosse recruiting tournament last summer. They also listed Sweetlax as theit Club after committing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see that Sweetlax just had the 4th kid from their 2019 team commit to Maryland? Terps now have 7 2019 verbals but 4 come from the same club.

I guess I'm a skeptic but I'm just wondering what leads to this situation. All 4 of these young men thought that of the 60+ D1 college programs that this was the perfect fit for them? And of all the 2019's that Maryland has evaluated from all of the countries top clubs these 4 were the most prized?

Interested to hear others opinions on this, just seems odd to me.

Sweetlax will take kids from other clubs and add them to their tournament rosters. Two of the 2019 commits play for Blackwolf, FCA and Sweetlax. I guess when they commit, they commit as Sweetlax players.

That Sweetlax team is very good. It is a National team. They beat Crush easily last summer. You will see several more from that team commit soon. Although Sweetlax is Rochester based they recruit top kids from all over to play. The director is a good guy who is very friendly with the coaches of top programs. Other clubs are threatened by them because you will see some very good kids leave their current club for them, so they badmouth Sweetlax. There must be a reason a kid would leave their current team. Too much drama perhaps?

No one is threatened. Good coach and good team. Last summer they continued to play after many clubs were done for the summer so kids who still wanted to play played for them. The kids must enjoy the experience as they tend to list Sweetlax and not the other programs that they play for.

Another Sweetlax 2019 commits today to Hopkins

They have 7 now, next closest? Do any LI clubs have any?

It doesnt matter how many LI teams have early commits, all that matters is how many of these long island players will be contributing on the field when they are in college. Horses that take the early lead usually don't finish the race in first place. Slow and steady wins the race.

U are 100% right! And watch out for the late bloomers in terms of growth.

All I know is that these kids giving verbals to schools in 9th grade is so stupid. Did they even go to the school to check it out? Did they do their research to see if the school has the curriculum that the need? Do they even know what they want to be in life? These are the important things that we as parents need to educate our kids on. Out of 100 kids in 9th grade how many really know what they want to do for a living? Parents like the idea of their kid playing D1 lax. What the [lacrosse] are we doing. Holding kids back or should I say reclassing our kids on long island now. Don't forget the kids from long island made these college teams what they are. Remember there use to be at least 15 kids on these college rosters from li. We don't need to leave our kids back like they do down in the sticks. Don't forget people it's STRONG ISLAND.

Insane to "verbal". Both sides can back out at any time for any reason. These kids haven't even proven themselves academically yet. Sad what has happened to this great game

my friends son was not signed until his senior year to top 10 D1 school and he was starting within the first 6 games of his freshman year. he didn't need to sign in 9th or 10th grade like some of their current bench warmers who had their mommy and daddy bragging that little jimmy got a verbal from xyz school in 9th grade.

I hear what you are saying about committing before you know, but do Jr's and Seniors really know. NO, not all of them know. Some of these kids going to these prospect camps know what they think they want. Some of these underclassmen are focused and do know. Many of these students, 9th graders, would be just as focused scholastically without sports.

Can you tell me how many freshman have an idea of where they want to go to college. I'd think more than you know!

and as far as parents being smart about the process. You know many of these schools that are committing these players are good institutions. Many have a vast array of subjects to choose from. Other are more concentrated and these tend be the elite school. Either way I do see the harm.

NO! Parents like the idea of their kid going to a good school, getting a good job, and moving out of their basement.

It just so happens, great schools have lacrosse programs and parents see it as an opportunity to get into a better school otherwise unobtainable.

There is virtually no opportunity to make a comfortable living playing lacrosse. But, there are great networks from these great schools in very lucrative industries.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear what you are saying about committing before you know, but do Jr's and Seniors really know. NO, not all of them know. Some of these kids going to these prospect camps know what they think they want. Some of these underclassmen are focused and do know. Many of these students, 9th graders, would be just as focused scholastically without sports.

Can you tell me how many freshman have an idea of where they want to go to college. I'd think more than you know!

and as far as parents being smart about the process. You know many of these schools that are committing these players are good institutions. Many have a vast array of subjects to choose from. Other are more concentrated and these tend be the elite school. Either way I do not see the harm.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NO! Parents like the idea of their kid going to a good school, getting a good job, and moving out of their basement.

It just so happens, great schools have lacrosse programs and parents see it as an opportunity to get into a better school otherwise unobtainable.

There is virtually no opportunity to make a comfortable living playing lacrosse. But, there are great networks from these great schools in very lucrative industries.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NO! Parents like the idea of their kid going to a good school, getting a good job, and moving out of their basement.

It just so happens, great schools have lacrosse programs and parents see it as an opportunity to get into a better school otherwise unobtainable.

There is virtually no opportunity to make a comfortable living playing lacrosse. But, there are great networks from these great schools in very lucrative industries.

Well said. The bottom line is securing a GREAT education and landing a job. Your ability to network bec of playing college lacrosse is what parents are seeking for their sons.

We all have learned: it is not what you know, it is who you know that counts. It did not take relaying the game of lacrosse to teach me that.

Regarding the other post about verbal commitments: when your son gets his, make sure you turn it down or keep your mouth shut and do not tell anyone.

Unfortunately, your friends son is the total exception. I heard this past w/e a 2018 was offered significant $ to a ACC school last year but wanted to continue to weigh options - when he finally decided this fall to commit to that ACC school his offer was much less - they were not happy ... not 100% sure if true but they made it clear that they wish they had accepted the offer last year - no sure why they would fib about it.... this is not just about crazy parents with huge egos - this is about how recruiting is conducted now .... read the Havard AD post on early recruiting - not just lax...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately, your friends son is the total exception. I heard this past w/e a 2018 was offered significant $ to a ACC school last year but wanted to continue to weigh options - when he finally decided this fall to commit to that ACC school his offer was much less - they were not happy ... not 100% sure if true but they made it clear that they wish they had accepted the offer last year - no sure why they would fib about it.... this is not just about crazy parents with huge egos - this is about how recruiting is conducted now .... read the Havard AD post on early recruiting - not just lax...

You are missing my point. not every kid that gets early offers are successful and kids that get offers later have just the same chance of making an impact on the team as the early recruit did. Yes he didn't get a lot of money for first year, but he did get it upped after his first season of college and now he is a starter. I know 4 kids on his team that were early commits and they haven't seen the field yet.

I know its great to get the college locked in early but that is not the case with a majority of the players out there. I am more concerned that the kid gets the opportunity to play and picks the right school to help him get the education he wants. Not everyone gives birth to a Rob Pannell.

Pannell was a late bloomer. He had the skill just wasn't big in those early years. And look at him now. Good let these colleges take all the big kids. And that's what a lot of these elite travel programs do to. Take a kid for size. It's unfortunate but it's the way of the world. I know some kids who are late bloomers at this age and once they grow I guarantee these boys will be hands down better. They play handicapped right now because of their size but are tough kids. That just makes them hungrier to succeed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pannell was a late bloomer. He had the skill just wasn't big in those early years. And look at him now. Good let these colleges take all the big kids. And that's what a lot of these elite travel programs do to. Take a kid for size. It's unfortunate but it's the way of the world. I know some kids who are late bloomers at this age and once they grow I guarantee these boys will be hands down better. They play handicapped right now because of their size but are tough kids. That just makes them hungrier to succeed.

He was also a double holdback, PG and redshirt. At least he did it after he committed, although he pg'd to get out of the Quinnipiac commitment

Listen after high school i have no problem with someone doing a post grad year. Look at the academies. Most of their recruits go to prep their first year.

This will be long winded but hopefully valuable to some family considering making a college early commit decision in the next weeks/months

there is nothing wrong with a 9th grader giving a verbal commitment with a 20%- 30% athletic scholarship offer to a great school. Why do you care if he does? How exactly does it harm the kid or the game?

So what if he never even steps on the field in college, he is on a D-1 team with all the privileges that come with being a d-1 athlete...

think academic advisers and tutors that are not available to the average freshman non athlete. think paying less for the same education than those non athletes. think being part of a team and transitioning from high school to college as part of a culture that requires work ethic and accountability

think of his first interview after college in his chosen field and being able to say, I played d-1. total commitment to a team while maintaining a great gpa. I hire a few new kids every year and the d-1 athletes (whether or not it is lax, whether or not they ever step on the field) always have an advantage over the non athletes because i know that any kid that can maintain good grades while working full time (yes-d-1 athletics are full time jobs) are more likely than not to be workers. doesn't work out 100% of the time, but the odds are in my favor to hire the d-1 athlete kid over the kid that got through with the exact same gpa but no athletics...

for all those saying late bloomers will eventually rule the day-good for those kids, i wish them and their families nothing but the best. but please be realistic, the top 20 programs, with the most dollars to spend on lax scholarships (most d-1 lax programs are not fully funded, those that are fully funded have only 12.5 scholarships to parse out among 45-60 kids-the math doesn't lie) are mostly fully committed by fall of soph year. It means that the late bloomer needs to be an incredible stud just to get a spot on that team, and forget scholarship money in year one. yes, maybe that kid will get dollars in year two, I hope so for him. But it means that the late bloomer's family is paying ($60k school at 30% scholarship = $18k) $18k more than the early commit kid in year one...

So, think of early recruiting this way-

your kid is not a lax player nor does he know what he wants to do with the rest of his life, but nonetheless, JHU, Penn state, Ohio state, Michigan, Virginia, unc, duke..., offered your kid the ability to get a special discount of 20%-30% reduction in year one price tag with an assurance that he will get into that school as long as he maintains a gpa of xxx with SATS of xxx. He likes all of those schools as do you as they are all top 50 academic institutions according the us news and world report.

he doesn't have to stress over the application process or worry about making his HS extra curricular and community service hours look better than everyone else that also wants to go to that school. He get a special pass to get in as long as he gets the grades, sounds like a pretty good deal doesn't it? If he goes to JHU and wakes up after a year and hates it, he transfers, happens all the time to athletes and non athletes alike. not the end of the world

let's please also remember the college coaches are the ones asking kids to commit. they come offering scholarship dollars and free meal plans and woo them by bringing them to big time college football games and introducing the kids and their parents to the privileged world of d-1 athletics.

Do you all think you are smarter than these coaches? Do you think you are a better judge of talent? Please understand, i mean no disrespect to the kids that aren't fully mature. they will grow when they grow and we all want them to be successful in whatever they choose.

But please stop calling the kids that committed early crazy or saying that they are somehow ruining the game. they are offered an early spot at a great school and a special discount (still need to get the grades and still no guarantees until you sign the national letter of intent).

My fam has been to all the schools i listed above (2018 early commit) and the range of athletic and academic dollars varied from school to school. My kid liked all the schools, as did the rest of our clan. We chose based upon some of the key criteria below, with different levels of value depending on how important the specific criteria was to our situation -no snarky comments please, this is meant to help some other 2019 fam that is making a decision soon.

-perceived fit academically with an idea towards a major, but he really doesn't know what he wants to do to make a living. He had interest from ivy, but it is important to understand your kid. not everyone-even if they have a 98 gpa, is going to be able to handle the academic pressure at an ivy...to each his own.

--academic support and tutors-not all the schools are equal in this regard, if you have any doubt whether your kid will need this support, make sure you know exactly what is offered. In our experience, the big football schools had the most service relating to this aspect. I was surprised that a few of the schools had very little free support

-perceived fit socially-felt like it was the right size institution for my kid

--size of the campus

--living arrangements-does your fam like those dorms, will he get tripled, how far are dorms from practice facility, from class rooms, from town...

-academic ranking nationally

-coach and team culture (this one was really tough, we liked all the coaches, some more than others, but will that coach still be at that school in three years?) Is my kid a piece of meet because the coach's number one priority is winning a national championship? For this one, and several of the other criteria, i think it is important to talk to some of the current players and their parents. you would be surprised at how open people are--both good and bad

--money offered for athletic scholarship- note every coach told us, yes there is no legal contract, athletic scholarships are year to year, but we guarantee you you will get no less than this percentage all four years. we are smart enough to know that athletic dollars are year to year. do coaches lie? i am sure some do and i am sure some don't. ask the parents of a current player that is not the team stud. they will tell you the truth

--money offered for academics-assuming he maintains gpa of xxx, he will get this amount in academic dollars. note, these academic dollars are more valuable than athletic dollars, not necessarily in terms of percentage, but in terms of the annual renewal. 3.0 in college gpa each year and the academic dollars renew...some schools had no academic dollars for which my kid would qualify

--alumni network--it just means that potentially, you will be more likely to land a job after graduation based upon a strong alumni network, that is the theory anyway

--financial aid- we didn't spend any time on this because my fam can't qualify for aid, while that in and of itself sucks, it means we are lucky in the big picture

I hope this helps someone...

Thanks! That is useful information.

Great post! Very helpful.

Having gone through this with one, with more coming up the pipeline, I would agree with all the important points in your post. Congratulations to your son!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This will be long winded but hopefully valuable to some family considering making a college early commit decision in the next weeks/months

there is nothing wrong with a 9th grader giving a verbal commitment with a 20%- 30% athletic scholarship offer to a great school. Why do you care if he does? How exactly does it harm the kid or the game?

So what if he never even steps on the field in college, he is on a D-1 team with all the privileges that come with being a d-1 athlete...

think academic advisers and tutors that are not available to the average freshman non athlete. think paying less for the same education than those non athletes. think being part of a team and transitioning from high school to college as part of a culture that requires work ethic and accountability

think of his first interview after college in his chosen field and being able to say, I played d-1. total commitment to a team while maintaining a great gpa. I hire a few new kids every year and the d-1 athletes (whether or not it is lax, whether or not they ever step on the field) always have an advantage over the non athletes because i know that any kid that can maintain good grades while working full time (yes-d-1 athletics are full time jobs) are more likely than not to be workers. doesn't work out 100% of the time, but the odds are in my favor to hire the d-1 athlete kid over the kid that got through with the exact same gpa but no athletics...

for all those saying late bloomers will eventually rule the day-good for those kids, i wish them and their families nothing but the best. but please be realistic, the top 20 programs, with the most dollars to spend on lax scholarships (most d-1 lax programs are not fully funded, those that are fully funded have only 12.5 scholarships to parse out among 45-60 kids-the math doesn't lie) are mostly fully committed by fall of soph year. It means that the late bloomer needs to be an incredible stud just to get a spot on that team, and forget scholarship money in year one. yes, maybe that kid will get dollars in year two, I hope so for him. But it means that the late bloomer's family is paying ($60k school at 30% scholarship = $18k) $18k more than the early commit kid in year one...

So, think of early recruiting this way-

your kid is not a lax player nor does he know what he wants to do with the rest of his life, but nonetheless, JHU, Penn state, Ohio state, Michigan, Virginia, unc, duke..., offered your kid the ability to get a special discount of 20%-30% reduction in year one price tag with an assurance that he will get into that school as long as he maintains a gpa of xxx with SATS of xxx. He likes all of those schools as do you as they are all top 50 academic institutions according the us news and world report.

he doesn't have to stress over the application process or worry about making his HS extra curricular and community service hours look better than everyone else that also wants to go to that school. He get a special pass to get in as long as he gets the grades, sounds like a pretty good deal doesn't it? If he goes to JHU and wakes up after a year and hates it, he transfers, happens all the time to athletes and non athletes alike. not the end of the world

let's please also remember the college coaches are the ones asking kids to commit. they come offering scholarship dollars and free meal plans and woo them by bringing them to big time college football games and introducing the kids and their parents to the privileged world of d-1 athletics.

Do you all think you are smarter than these coaches? Do you think you are a better judge of talent? Please understand, i mean no disrespect to the kids that aren't fully mature. they will grow when they grow and we all want them to be successful in whatever they choose.

But please stop calling the kids that committed early crazy or saying that they are
somehow ruining the game. they are offered an early spot at a great school and a special discount (still need to get the grades and still no guarantees until you sign the national letter of intent).

My fam has been to all the schools i listed above (2018 early commit) and the range of athletic and academic dollars varied from school to school. My kid liked all the schools, as did the rest of our clan. We chose based upon some of the key criteria below, with different levels of value depending on how important the specific criteria was to our situation -no snarky comments please, this is meant to help some other 2019 fam that is making a decision soon.

-perceived fit academically with an idea towards a major, but he really doesn't know what he wants to do to make a living. He had interest from ivy, but it is important to understand your kid. not everyone-even if they have a 98 gpa, is going to be able to handle the academic pressure at an ivy...to each his own.

--academic support and tutors-not all the schools are equal in this regard, if you have any doubt whether your kid will need this support, make sure you know exactly what is offered. In our experience, the big football schools had the most service relating to this aspect. I was surprised that a few of the schools had very little free support

-perceived fit socially-felt like it was the right size institution for my kid

--size of the campus

--living arrangements-does your fam like those dorms, will he get tripled, how far are dorms from practice facility, from class rooms, from town...

-academic ranking nationally

-coach and team culture (this one was really tough, we liked all the coaches, some more than others, but will that coach still be at that school in three years?) Is my kid a piece of meet because the coach's number one priority is winning a national championship? For this one, and several of the other criteria, i think it is important to talk to some of the current players and their parents. you would be surprised at how open people are--both good and bad

--money offered for athletic scholarship- note every coach told us, yes there is no legal contract, athletic scholarships are year to year, but we guarantee you you will get no less than this percentage all four years. we are smart enough to know that athletic dollars are year to year. do coaches lie? i am sure some do and i am sure some don't. ask the parents of a current player that is not the team stud. they will tell you the truth

--money offered for academics-assuming he maintains gpa of xxx, he will get this amount in academic dollars. note, these academic dollars are more valuable than athletic dollars, not necessarily in terms of percentage, but in terms of the annual renewal. 3.0 in college gpa each year and the academic dollars renew...some schools had no academic dollars for which my kid would qualify

--alumni network--it just means that potentially, you will be more likely to land a job after graduation based upon a strong alumni network, that is the theory anyway

--financial aid- we didn't spend any time on this because my fam can't qualify for aid, while that in and of itself sucks, it means we are lucky in the big picture

I hope this helps someone...

That was a great and helpful post. In a world where ER rules, whether we like it not, some helpful perspectives to read as a parent.

Don't really agree with first statement about the d-1 athlete over a non sport athlete. My kid played D-3 and gave up sports in order to concentrate on his schooling. Carries over 3 average and your telling me that the kid who plays D1 is a better fit for your company then my kid or someone elses kid. I would rather have a kid right out of hs with good grades then a kid from college. First off after four years you have a kid that you groomed for four years and showed him the ropes instead of a kid coming out of college with a big nut and wants to make more money with no experience just because he has a big loan. Class work and the real world as we all know is different. Glad to hear about your kid. Just putting that out there to see if it makes sense.

Anyone listen to BAB in the morning. Lots of nasty stuff going on with freshman trying and doing drugs and drinking. Check their phones check their Laptops, because as smart as they are they are still young and foolish.

Nip it in the bud while you can.

I'm sorry I fell asleep....did you say something ??? I guess you talk a lot at board meetings to you D1 wannabees...jeez....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This will be long winded but hopefully valuable to some family considering making a college early commit decision in the next weeks/months

there is nothing wrong with a 9th grader giving a verbal commitment with a 20%- 30% athletic scholarship offer to a great school. Why do you care if he does? How exactly does it harm the kid or the game?

So what if he never even steps on the field in college, he is on a D-1 team with all the privileges that come with being a d-1 athlete...

think academic advisers and tutors that are not available to the average freshman non athlete. think paying less for the same education than those non athletes. think being part of a team and transitioning from high school to college as part of a culture that requires work ethic and accountability

think of his first interview after college in his chosen field and being able to say, I played d-1. total commitment to a team while maintaining a great gpa. I hire a few new kids every year and the d-1 athletes (whether or not it is lax, whether or not they ever step on the field) always have an advantage over the non athletes because i know that any kid that can maintain good grades while working full time (yes-d-1 athletics are full time jobs) are more likely than not to be workers. doesn't work out 100% of the time, but the odds are in my favor to hire the d-1 athlete kid over the kid that got through with the exact same gpa but no athletics...

for all those saying late bloomers will eventually rule the day-good for those kids, i wish them and their families nothing but the best. but please be realistic, the top 20 programs, with the most dollars to spend on lax scholarships (most d-1 lax programs are not fully funded, those that are fully funded have only 12.5 scholarships to parse out among 45-60 kids-the math doesn't lie) are mostly fully committed by fall of soph year. It means that the late bloomer needs to be an incredible stud just to get a spot on that team, and forget scholarship money in year one. yes, maybe that kid will get dollars in year two, I hope so for him. But it means that the late bloomer's family is paying ($60k school at 30% scholarship = $18k) $18k more than the early commit kid in year one...

So, think of early recruiting this way-

your kid is not a lax player nor does he know what he wants to do with the rest of his life, but nonetheless, JHU, Penn state, Ohio state, Michigan, Virginia, unc, duke..., offered your kid the ability to get a special discount of 20%-30% reduction in year one price tag with an assurance that he will get into that school as long as he maintains a gpa of xxx with SATS of xxx. He likes all of those schools as do you as they are all top 50 academic institutions according the us news and world report.

he doesn't have to stress over the application process or worry about making his HS extra curricular and community service hours look better than everyone else that also wants to go to that school. He get a special pass to get in as long as he gets the grades, sounds like a pretty good deal doesn't it? If he goes to JHU and wakes up after a year and hates it, he transfers, happens all the time to athletes and non athletes alike. not the end of the world

let's please also remember the college coaches are the ones asking kids to commit. they come offering scholarship dollars and free meal plans and woo them by bringing them to big time college football games and introducing the kids and their parents to the privileged world of d-1 athletics.

Do you all think you are smarter than these coaches? Do you think you are a better judge of talent? Please understand, i mean no disrespect to the kids that aren't fully mature. they will grow when they grow and we all want them to be successful in whatever they choose.

But please stop calling the kids that committed early crazy or saying that they are
somehow ruining the game. they are offered an early spot at a great school and a special discount (still need to get the grades and still no guarantees until you sign the national letter of intent).

My fam has been to all the schools i listed above (2018 early commit) and the range of athletic and academic dollars varied from school to school. My kid liked all the schools, as did the rest of our clan. We chose based upon some of the key criteria below, with different levels of value depending on how important the specific criteria was to our situation -no snarky comments please, this is meant to help some other 2019 fam that is making a decision soon.

-perceived fit academically with an idea towards a major, but he really doesn't know what he wants to do to make a living. He had interest from ivy, but it is important to understand your kid. not everyone-even if they have a 98 gpa, is going to be able to handle the academic pressure at an ivy...to each his own.

--academic support and tutors-not all the schools are equal in this regard, if you have any doubt whether your kid will need this support, make sure you know exactly what is offered. In our experience, the big football schools had the most service relating to this aspect. I was surprised that a few of the schools had very little free support

-perceived fit socially-felt like it was the right size institution for my kid

--size of the campus

--living arrangements-does your fam like those dorms, will he get tripled, how far are dorms from practice facility, from class rooms, from town...

-academic ranking nationally

-coach and team culture (this one was really tough, we liked all the coaches, some more than others, but will that coach still be at that school in three years?) Is my kid a piece of meet because the coach's number one priority is winning a national championship? For this one, and several of the other criteria, i think it is important to talk to some of the current players and their parents. you would be surprised at how open people are--both good and bad

--money offered for athletic scholarship- note every coach told us, yes there is no legal contract, athletic scholarships are year to year, but we guarantee you you will get no less than this percentage all four years. we are smart enough to know that athletic dollars are year to year. do coaches lie? i am sure some do and i am sure some don't. ask the parents of a current player that is not the team stud. they will tell you the truth

--money offered for academics-assuming he maintains gpa of xxx, he will get this amount in academic dollars. note, these academic dollars are more valuable than athletic dollars, not necessarily in terms of percentage, but in terms of the annual renewal. 3.0 in college gpa each year and the academic dollars renew...some schools had no academic dollars for which my kid would qualify

--alumni network--it just means that potentially, you will be more likely to land a job after graduation based upon a strong alumni network, that is the theory anyway

--financial aid- we didn't spend any time on this because my fam can't qualify for aid, while that in and of itself sucks, it means we are lucky in the big picture

I hope this helps someone...

Preliminary NXT Philly Freshman showcase list out today

4 Ward Melville
3 St Anthonys
5 Chaminade
4 Manhassett

Only 1 from Syosset and Pequa

Only 2 from Smithtown

and Zero from Garden City High

Yeah saw the list. Not alot of 91 kids.

I cant imagine that this is the list.
There are so many LI kids not on it that are lights out.

Flawed if this is it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I cant imagine that this is the list.
There are so many LI kids not on it that are lights out.

Flawed if this is it!

Where can it be seen ?

The clubs nomina nominate the players. So it's not flawed. Each club has a few spots. Better clubs more nominations.

So uh, a majority of the kids that are Jake Reed/ Brine qualifying type players are not on the list but some that did not qualifiy for either event are on this list?

I'm simply saying I hope other kids ultimately make the final list

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preliminary NXT Philly Freshman showcase list out today

4 Ward Melville
3 St Anthonys
5 Chaminade
4 Manhassett

Only 1 from Syosset and Pequa

Only 2 from Smithtown

and Zero from Garden City High

where is list?

Anyone can register for the individual showcase. No nominations for Frrshman.

Showcases have become less important in the recruiting process. There are way too many and most have been watered down. Maverik is still a prestigious event however most of the attendees are already committed. Black Card was very good last year for non committed players.

The current Fall and Summer Tournament Circuit is where the majority of players will be identified by college coaches. Over the past few years some of the tournaments have done a much better job of allowing only the most competitive teams to enter. This has made it much easier for the college coaches. Tournaments that have a limited field of teams like 91, HHH, Dukes , Express, Madlax, Crabs, FCA, Sweetlax, Laxachussets etc.. attract all of the top college coaches.

Showcases work for some but most players will be lost in the showcase format. They are not the end all be all of recruiting. Very easy to be over shadowed by the Player who wants to "showcase" his stuff. That same player who can "showcase" well may not do as well in a team setting. Lack of IQ and understanding of team play/concepts are often exposed in a team setting. Run and gun freelance style of play works better in a showcase environment.

Good look to all and enjoy the ride but remember not to get caught up thinking that any one event is all that important.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone can register for the individual showcase. No nominations for Frrshman.

You are wrong.

Over 3,300 kids submitted applications for 240 spots. Club and HS coach recommendation needed but NXT folks decide who gets the nod. Maybe some of the top players on LI chose not to apply.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone can register for the individual showcase. No nominations for Frrshman.

Anyone can register but only those with recommendations from top clubs get in. This applies for both. The clubs only get a few selections and so do the high schools.

A lot of top kids not doing it from Long Island

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of top kids not doing it from Long Island

I think you will notice many of the 2018 not doing the event are those that are committed. I don't know why 2019's wouldn't. Its a great event and run very well. If you had the opportunity and passed I say it was a mistake. Gives you a good way to gauge your play versus some very good players in your age group.

What program's got the most players into the NXT Showcase?

A lot of kids are going Sunday with their teams, Both 91 Orange and White teams are going.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I cant imagine that this is the list.
There are so many LI kids not on it that are lights out.

Flawed if this is it!

Looks like some great competition at the 2019 NLF event in Baltimore November 1. Looing forward to seeing a lot of these teams play.

My son (2018) went to Philly Freshman last year and it was very worth it. You can not just apply as someone stated. My son needed an invite from his club coach. His coach was given 5 invites only. The other players on his team had to try to get invites from their high school coaches. If your son can get an invite, I would seize the opportunity. If your son can't, do not stress. There will be other opportunities in the spring/summer. Blackcard and Maverick both need invites and are worth trying to get one for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son (2018) went to Philly Freshman last year and it was very worth it. You can not just apply as someone stated. My son needed an invite from his club coach. His coach was given 5 invites only. The other players on his team had to try to get invites from their high school coaches. If your son can get an invite, I would seize the opportunity. If your son can't, do not stress. There will be other opportunities in the spring/summer. Blackcard and Maverick both need invites and are worth trying to get one for.

MAVERICK is MUCH more prestigious than Philly

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What program's got the most players into the NXT Showcase?

NXT they allow their entire 2019 team to participate. FCA had 8

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What program's got the most players into the NXT Showcase?

NXT they allow their entire 2019 team to participate. FCA had 8

Primetime had 8 or 9 players on the list. By far the most in the Westchester and CT region.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What program's got the most players into the NXT Showcase?

NXT they allow their entire 2019 team to participate. FCA had 8

Primetime had 8 or 9 players on the list. By far the most in the Westchester and CT region.

These invites, as with "all star" game selections, have as much to do with politics as ability. Don't read too much into a program have a lot or a few invites to this or any other event. Lots of reasons for either

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What program's got the most players into the NXT Showcase?

NXT they allow their entire 2019 team to participate. FCA had 8

Primetime had 8 or 9 players on the list. By far the most in the Westchester and CT region.

These invites, as with "all star" game selections, have as much to do with politics as ability. Don't read too much into a program have a lot or a few invites to this or any other event. Lots of reasons for either

Who cares why your son is attending. He is either in the showcases or he is not. That is the bottom line and the only thing that matters. Kudos to Prime Time. They may not be the best 2019 in the area but you can't argue with the number of their players attending NXT Showcase. Eye opener.

24 committed for the class of 2019 thus far.
Only 1 from NY (upstate).

When will the flood gates open for the kids from LI?

Which Club or HS will have LI's first?

Long Island kids are just smarter...don't take your first offer and play hard to get.. we know we are good..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

24 committed for the class of 2019 thus far.
Only 1 from NY (upstate).

When will the flood gates open for the kids from LI?

Which Club or HS will have LI's first?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son (2018) went to Philly Freshman last year and it was very worth it. You can not just apply as someone stated. My son needed an invite from his club coach. His coach was given 5 invites only. The other players on his team had to try to get invites from their high school coaches. If your son can get an invite, I would seize the opportunity. If your son can't, do not stress. There will be other opportunities in the spring/summer. Blackcard and Maverick both need invites and are worth trying to get one for.

MAVERICK is MUCH more prestigious than Philly

How does a player get invited if he does not play for a big club? Where can I find the nomination form? It is not on the website.

Can the HS coach recommend a player?

got an invite to the 3d blue chip lacrosse camp should we go?

2020 ex 2019 legacy player full ride to dowling

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son (2018) went to Philly Freshman last year and it was very worth it. You can not just apply as someone stated. My son needed an invite from his club coach. His coach was given 5 invites only. The other players on his team had to try to get invites from their high school coaches. If your son can get an invite, I would seize the opportunity. If your son can't, do not stress. There will be other opportunities in the spring/summer. Blackcard and Maverick both need invites and are worth trying to get one for.

MAVERICK is MUCH more prestigious than Philly

How does a player get invited if he does not play for a big club? Where can I find the nomination form? It is not on the website.

Can the HS coach recommend a player?

Club Coaches have the most pull and some have more pull than others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 ex 2019 legacy player full ride to dowling

Very funny!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 ex 2019 legacy player full ride to dowling

Get a life and leave the kid alone!

Wow, that's awesome

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 ex 2019 legacy player full ride to dowling

Very funny!

This is not very funny. So much for innuendo, you are calling out a kid many know by the situation, names do not need to be spelled out. NOT COOL!

Please keep a close out for this.

As much as we pride ourselves in having the pulse of what's going on in each age group we cant always know what the hidden innuendos going on each class. If this is an issue please email me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What program's got the most players into the NXT Showcase?

NXT they allow their entire 2019 team to participate. FCA had 8

Primetime had 8 or 9 players on the list. By far the most in the Westchester and CT region.

These invites, as with "all star" game selections, have as much to do with politics as ability. Don't read too much into a program have a lot or a few invites to this or any other event. Lots of reasons for either

30 out of the 40 2017 NXT Philly Freshman Fab 40 are committed. So while politics may be involved, selection to the Fab 40 appears to be a pretty good indication of playing ability. Good luck to all who attend!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What program's got the most players into the NXT Showcase?

NXT they allow their entire 2019 team to participate. FCA had 8

Primetime had 8 or 9 players on the list. By far the most in the Westchester and CT region.

These invites, as with "all star" game selections, have as much to do with politics as ability. Don't read too much into a program have a lot or a few invites to this or any other event. Lots of reasons for either

30 out of the 40 2017 NXT Philly Freshman Fab 40 are committed. So while politics may be involved, selection to the Fab 40 appears to be a pretty good indication of playing ability. Good luck to all who attend!

Point being you have no chance of being one of the Philly Fab 40 if you don't have an invitation to participate in the showcase. No one cares the whys or hows just that they are participating in the event. Primetime has an enormous number of players attending the Freshman and Junior/Sophomore showcases and that's a reflection of the programs juice and the caliber of the players past and present.

Politics and money, need I say more?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What program's got the most players into the NXT Showcase?

NXT they allow their entire 2019 team to participate. FCA had 8

Primetime had 8 or 9 players on the list. By far the most in the Westchester and CT region.

These invites, as with "all star" game selections, have as much to do with politics as ability. Don't read too much into a program have a lot or a few invites to this or any other event. Lots of reasons for either

30 out of the 40 2017 NXT Philly Freshman Fab 40 are committed. So while politics may be involved, selection to the Fab 40 appears to be a pretty good indication of playing ability. Good luck to all who attend!

Point being you have no chance of being one of the Philly Fab 40 if you don't have an invitation to participate in the showcase. No one cares the whys or hows just that they are participating in the event. Primetime has an enormous number of players attending the Freshman and Junior/Sophomore showcases and that's a reflection of the programs juice and the caliber of the players past and present.

There are now 25 commits for the 2019 grad year, not one from LI. Hmmmm?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are now 25 commits for the 2019 grad year, not one from LI. Hmmmm?

"There are now 25 commits born in 1999 or 2000 that play 2019 grad year..."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are now 25 commits for the 2019 grad year, not one from LI. Hmmmm?

"There are now 25 commits born in 1999 or 2000 that play 2019 grad year..."

This is partially true for sure but not entirely. It is also incorrect for anyone to infer that LI is inferior to other hotbeds solely because they didnt have the first 5 commits.

If you live in MD/ VA and MD/Hopkins etc comes knocking...pretty good shot that may have always been your dream school. Doesnt exist in LI / CT / Westchester.

Surely a slew of those kids have multiple looks - just (smartly) trying to figure out the best fit...as best a 14/15 year old can.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are now 25 commits for the 2019 grad year, not one from LI. Hmmmm?

"There are now 25 commits born in 1999 or 2000 that play 2019 grad year..."

Get real. That's not even close to being true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are now 25 commits for the 2019 grad year, not one from LI. Hmmmm?

"There are now 25 commits born in 1999 or 2000 that play 2019 grad year..."

Get real. That's not even close to being true.

What ever your take is, unfortunately or fortunately absolutely true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are now 25 commits for the 2019 grad year, not one from LI. Hmmmm?

"There are now 25 commits born in 1999 or 2000 that play 2019 grad year..."

Get real. That's not even close to being true.

What ever your take is, unfortunately or fortunately absolutely true.

2019 a weak year for LI, that's why

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are now 25 commits for the 2019 grad year, not one from LI. Hmmmm?

"There are now 25 commits born in 1999 or 2000 that play 2019 grad year..."

Get real. That's not even close to being true.

What ever your take is, unfortunately or fortunately absolutely true.

Considering I personally know several of the committed kids, I can guarantee you that they aren't all 1999 and 2000 birthdays. But, kids born after 9/1/2000 should be in 9th grade anyway, so what's your point.

what are the odds that one of Spalinas 2020's commits before a 2019 from LI?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are now 25 commits for the 2019 grad year, not one from LI. Hmmmm?

"There are now 25 commits born in 1999 or 2000 that play 2019 grad year..."

Get real. That's not even close to being true.

What ever your take is, unfortunately or fortunately absolutely true.

Considering I personally know several of the committed kids, I can guarantee you that they aren't all 1999 and 2000 birthdays. But, kids born after 9/1/2000 should be in 9th grade anyway, so what's your point.

Why should kids born after 9/1/2000 be in 9th grade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are now 25 commits for the 2019 grad year, not one from LI. Hmmmm?

"There are now 25 commits born in 1999 or 2000 that play 2019 grad year..."

Get real. That's not even close to being true.

What ever your take is, unfortunately or fortunately absolutely true.

Considering I personally know several of the committed kids, I can guarantee you that they aren't all 1999 and 2000 birthdays. But, kids born after 9/1/2000 should be in 9th grade anyway, so what's your point.

Our district is 12/1 cutoff. Current 9th grade in our district should be born between 12/1/2000 and 11/30/2001. I think most Long Island School Districts have the same cutoff date.

Kids born mid to late 2000 have a huge advantage. I will not call it cheating but there is certainly an advantage when competing against younger players. That advantage is greatest between 7th and 10th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Our district is 12/1 cutoff. Current 9th grade in our district should be born between 12/1/2000 and 11/30/2001. I think most Long Island School Districts have the same cutoff date.

Kids born mid to late 2000 have a huge advantage. I will not call it cheating but there is certainly an advantage when competing against younger players. That advantage is greatest between 7th and 10th grade.

Really? A huge advantage? Someone born in September-December of 2000 has a huge advantage over someone born in January-March of 2001?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Our district is 12/1 cutoff. Current 9th grade in our district should be born between 12/1/2000 and 11/30/2001. I think most Long Island School Districts have the same cutoff date.

Kids born mid to late 2000 have a huge advantage. I will not call it cheating but there is certainly an advantage when competing against younger players. That advantage is greatest between 7th and 10th grade.

Really? A huge advantage? Someone born in September-December of 2000 has a huge advantage over someone born in January-March of 2001?

Guess you held your kid back. 6 months or more can be a huge advantage.

If I have any more kids I will hold them back from starting kindergarden, re-class in the 8th, 9th or 10th grade do a PG year and then redshirt in college. I might even petition the NCAA for a 6th year of eligibility.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Our district is 12/1 cutoff. Current 9th grade in our district should be born between 12/1/2000 and 11/30/2001. I think most Long Island School Districts have the same cutoff date.

Kids born mid to late 2000 have a huge advantage. I will not call it cheating but there is certainly an advantage when competing against younger players. That advantage is greatest between 7th and 10th grade.

Really? A huge advantage? Someone born in September-December of 2000 has a huge advantage over someone born in January-March of 2001?

Guess you held your kid back. 6 months or more can be a huge advantage.

If I have any more kids I will hold them back from starting kindergarden, re-class in the 8th, 9th or 10th grade do a PG year and then redshirt in college. I might even petition the NCAA for a 6th year of eligibility.

No, actually my kid is a 2/2001 birthday. He manages just fine playing 2019 against those kids that are 2-5 months older. At an MIAA school of all places. I should take him out for an ice cream for persevering against those huge odds. Sorry if your kid can't handle it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Our district is 12/1 cutoff. Current 9th grade in our district should be born between 12/1/2000 and 11/30/2001. I think most Long Island School Districts have the same cutoff date.

Kids born mid to late 2000 have a huge advantage. I will not call it cheating but there is certainly an advantage when competing against younger players. That advantage is greatest between 7th and 10th grade.

Really? A huge advantage? Someone born in September-December of 2000 has a huge advantage over someone born in January-March of 2001?

Guess you held your kid back. 6 months or more can be a huge advantage.

If I have any more kids I will hold them back from starting kindergarden, re-class in the 8th, 9th or 10th grade do a PG year and then redshirt in college. I might even petition the NCAA for a 6th year of eligibility.

No, actually my kid is a 2/2001 birthday. He manages just fine playing 2019 against those kids that are 2-5 months older. At an MIAA school of all places. I should take him out for an ice cream for persevering against those huge odds. Sorry if your kid can't handle it.

Good for you and your son, happy to hear. I have a December 1999 "2018" and late June "2019" both do well and compete but there is a clear advantage being older than most of the kids. As I stated, I will not call it cheating but there is an big advantage to being older than most of the kids that you compete against.

I couldn't agree with you more. Parents from long island educate the kids more on the matter of academics first then sports. We know that having a verbal in 9th grade isn't all that. You need the right fit for your kid. The kids from long island made lax what it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I couldn't agree with you more. Parents from long island educate the kids more on the matter of academics first then sports. We know that having a verbal in 9th grade isn't all that. You need the right fit for your kid. The kids from long island made lax what it is.

You've obviously never set foot on an MIAA school campus if you think academics are not stressed in Baltimore. But go ahead and continue believing that if it makes you feel better.

There is a big advantage to being a better athlete. Sure, being older/bigger helps - but it�s not like you can simply follow the team�s chronological age order and the �huge advantage� 6 month older boys are the best on the team. Holdbacks, reclassification, playing down with PG year promise are cheating/gaming the system, but calling out fall birthday kids as have �huge advantage� is a bit of a stretch!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Our district is 12/1 cutoff. Current 9th grade in our district should be born between 12/1/2000 and 11/30/2001. I think most Long Island School Districts have the same cutoff date.

Kids born mid to late 2000 have a huge advantage. I will not call it cheating but there is certainly an advantage when competing against younger players. That advantage is greatest between 7th and 10th grade.

Really? A huge advantage? Someone born in September-December of 2000 has a huge advantage over someone born in January-March of 2001?

Guess you held your kid back. 6 months or more can be a huge advantage.

If I have any more kids I will hold them back from starting kindergarden, re-class in the 8th, 9th or 10th grade do a PG year and then redshirt in college. I might even petition the NCAA for a 6th year of eligibility.

No, actually my kid is a 2/2001 birthday. He manages just fine playing 2019 against those kids that are 2-5 months older. At an MIAA school of all places. I should take him out for an ice cream for persevering against those huge odds. Sorry if your kid can't handle it.

Good for you and your son, happy to hear. I have a December 1999 "2018" and late June "2019" both do well and compete but there is a clear advantage being older than most of the kids. As I stated, I will not call it cheating but there is an big advantage to being older than most of the kids that you compete against.

I'm sorry but isn't a Dec 1999 "2018" an older kid in that grade on LI? The youngest 2018's were born Fall 2000 so what if he can 'do well and compete" when your kid is one of the older ones

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are now 25 commits for the 2019 grad year, not one from LI. Hmmmm?

How many are cheating holdbacks?

Probably, They will still have four years of eligibility once they get to college. The end justifies the means.

you have to remember its not how fast you start the race, its how you finish.

I don't think we need to worry about the LI players committing. I am sure in 2020 when we are watching college lacrosse games, we will see and hear enough names from LI to be able to remember that LI still has a solid hold on the college lacrosse scene

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you have to remember its not how fast you start the race, its how you finish.

I don't think we need to worry about the LI players committing. I am sure in 2020 when we are watching college lacrosse games, we will see and hear enough names from LI to be able to remember that LI still has a solid hold on the college lacrosse scene

true on both accounts.

But lately, it seems that may players (and families) are getting a great start in the race by delaying their start till the next year.

(reminds me of Ben Johnson- Canadian Olympic sprinter/steroid cheat)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably, They will still have four years of eligibility once they get to college. The end justifies the means.

Guys, lets stop with the petty stuff and do our best to help a family and their son who NEEDS real hep. Lets take a minute or two and go to the thread on here called "Team Sean 38"- this young man needs our help as adults of lacrosse community. Breaks my heart.

Heart breaking story really hope the kid bounces back I sent some money yesterday every bit helps. Come on guys support this family..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably, They will still have four years of eligibility once they get to college. The end justifies the means.

Guys, lets stop with the petty stuff and do our best to help a family and their son who NEEDS real hep. Lets take a minute or two and go to the thread on here called "Team Sean 38"- this young man needs our help as adults of lacrosse community. Breaks my heart.

Thank God you have time to sqwak about freshman lacrosse and not be worrying if your son is well enough to pick up a stick.

Put in into perspective people.

Tell your sons to train,study and play his best game everyday. Then when you go to bed at night, say a prayer for Sean and ask that you have the strength to hold your tongue/pen/mouse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Our district is 12/1 cutoff. Current 9th grade in our district should be born between 12/1/2000 and 11/30/2001. I think most Long Island School Districts have the same cutoff date.

Kids born mid to late 2000 have a huge advantage. I will not call it cheating but there is certainly an advantage when competing against younger players. That advantage is greatest between 7th and 10th grade.

Your wife is a champ

Really? A huge advantage? Someone born in September-December of 2000 has a huge advantage over someone born in January-March of 2001?

Guess you held your kid back. 6 months or more can be a huge advantage.

If I have any more kids I will hold them back from starting kindergarden, re-class in the 8th, 9th or 10th grade do a PG year and then redshirt in college. I might even petition the NCAA for a 6th year of eligibility.

No, actually my kid is a 2/2001 birthday. He manages just fine playing 2019 against those kids that are 2-5 months older. At an MIAA school of all places. I should take him out for an ice cream for persevering against those huge odds. Sorry if your kid can't handle it.

Good for you and your son, happy to hear. I have a December 1999 "2018" and late June "2019" both do well and compete but there is a clear advantage being older than most of the kids. As I stated, I will not call it cheating but there is an big advantage to being older than most of the kids that you compete against.

Yay! LI just (kind of) got its first 2019 verbal to MD from Smithtown. Not sure if it actually counts as LI since the kid only moved here a couple months ago and got recruited playing for his MA club. Congrats, here he's very good!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yay! LI just (kind of) got its first 2019 verbal to MD from Smithtown. Not sure if it actually counts as LI since the kid only moved here a couple months ago and got recruited playing for his MA club. Congrats, here he's very good!

Where do you find that info?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yay! LI just (kind of) got its first 2019 verbal to MD from Smithtown. Not sure if it actually counts as LI since the kid only moved here a couple months ago and got recruited playing for his MA club. Congrats, here he's very good!

Where do you find that info?

Twitter, follow ty Xander

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yay! LI just (kind of) got its first 2019 verbal to MD from Smithtown. Not sure if it actually counts as LI since the kid only moved here a couple months ago and got recruited playing for his MA club. Congrats, here he's very good!

Well deserved but not an LI commit. Good luck!

These next few weeks (probably till mid Dec) will seem crazy for many boys. Remember, the grades are the most important thing right now. The 1st Qtr sets the stage for many things. The first thing the coach wants to hear is how your 1st Qtr grades are.

For those playing a fall sport, be it on a field or court, play your heart out on the last few weeks. It is coming to the end power through; the coaches are keeping an eye on some of your movements outside of Lax.

We must be their calming voice, their toughest critic, the shoulder to at times bury their face in and the face they need to laugh with. Take a deep breath and enjoy the boys play. They are changing right in front of you don't miss it, embrace it.

Thanks Dr. Phil!!

Dr Phil comment guy...ur an [lacrosse]..Keep off this site

Grades, Football, Lax Tournaments, Showcases, Prospect Camps. It's a lot to handle for a 14 yr old.

Keep off this site? Can't take a joke on how deep you got on your thread big guy? No [lacrosse] enjoy your kid and how fast it goes relax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These next few weeks (probably till mid Dec) will seem crazy for many boys. Remember, the grades are the most important thing right now. The 1st Qtr sets the stage for many things. The first thing the coach wants to hear is how your 1st Qtr grades are.

For those playing a fall sport, be it on a field or court, play your heart out on the last few weeks. It is coming to the end power through; the coaches are keeping an eye on some of your movements outside of Lax.

We must be their calming voice, their toughest critic, the shoulder to at times bury their face in and the face they need to laugh with. Take a deep breath and enjoy the boys play. They are changing right in front of you don't miss it, embrace it.

Never thought I would see a productive comment on this board - thanks and well said

my sons team has implemented a program where if the players don't keep up their grades and don't have a respectful attitude, then they will not play. I personally don't let my son play any sports unless he keeps a certain average. Remember lacrosse will help you make friends for life but school will help you support your family for life!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks Dr. Phil!!

your welcome. I hope you checked your sons phone too.

How did everyone do this weekend. Really quiet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did everyone do this weekend. Really quiet

It's quiet because fall doesn't mean much..kids finishing up football unless lacrosse is the only thing your kid does..it's not 24/7 lacrosse. at least not in my house

How did 91 and express do in baltimore

north had a nice win v. crabs crabs lost to canadian edge. madlax beat 91
laxachusettes beat lie c2c weak laxachusettes was up 8-0 2nd half v. leading edge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did 91 and express do in baltimore

Express North went 3-0 beating The Edge, Crabs and True Blue from MI.

Big 4 HHH beat 91

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did 91 and express do in baltimore

College Coaches were all over the place!

* Harvard, Cornell, Princeton, Yale, Penn, Duke, Notre Dame, Hopkins, Denver, Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State, Rutgers, Maryland, North Carolina, Syracuse, Air Force and many others.

The least important thing to a college coach is the score of the game. They watch everything else including us (the parents).

I am happy that my son is fortunate enough to be on one the teams that gets to play in front of all of these college coaches.

Fun day of lacrosse with a lot of really good players.

Sounds like u lost

wow, what was the score?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did 91 and express do in baltimore

Express North went 3-0 beating The Edge, Crabs and True Blue from MI.

Edge Lacrosse, the Canadian program? I believe they have been posting on their twitter page for the last two summers that they are undefeated. I guess its time for them to play down 2 age divisions, not just one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did 91 and express do in baltimore

Express North went 3-0 beating The Edge, Crabs and True Blue from MI.

Edge Lacrosse, the Canadian program? I believe they have been posting on their twitter page for the last two summers that they are undefeated. I guess its time for them to play down 2 age divisions, not just one.

I follow them on twitter, not sure i've seen them boasting an undefeated record, i also don't read every tweet every posted by every account i follow.

their 2019 team is a 2000 born team. what age are the rest of the top 2019 teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did 91 and express do in baltimore

Express North went 3-0 beating The Edge, Crabs and True Blue from MI.

Edge Lacrosse, the Canadian program? I believe they have been posting on their twitter page for the last two summers that they are undefeated. I guess its time for them to play down 2 age divisions, not just one.

I follow them on twitter, not sure i've seen them boasting an undefeated record, i also don't read every tweet every posted by every account i follow.

their 2019 team is a 2000 born team. what age are the rest of the top 2019 teams?

Edge Lacrosse program has been flogged to death on this board. All of their teams play down a year. So, their 9th grade team (2019) is all in at least 10th grade. Gotta love the current state of affairs in lax. They were indeed undefeated last Fall and this past summer, beyond that I do not know. I guess the 2019's have caught up with them, at least Express North has.

Edge team that played yesterday did not look like same team that played this summer. Anyone know if they have reversed their policy of playing entire team down?

91 looked weaker as well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 looked weaker as well

Why? Did they lose players? Did NC contingent not show up?

From what I saw , lack of athletes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge team that played yesterday did not look like same team that played this summer. Anyone know if they have reversed their policy of playing entire team down?

No change to Edge policy. Their website advertises tryouts for 2019 team as 2000 birth year. And the team was not weaker, other teams have simply grown and improved. You can only get away with cheating for so long with age push down. Their Virginia commit played, they just got beat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 looked weaker as well

cause some of the boys reclassed and moved to the 2020 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge team that played yesterday did not look like same team that played this summer. Anyone know if they have reversed their policy of playing entire team down?

I'm assuming like all programs, fall has conflicts with other sports (football/hockey) or prep schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 looked weaker as well

cause some of the boys reclassed and moved to the 2020 team

Yea I'm sure .. How many reclassed ? One ?

Express north 2019 Dpole committed to Michigan

How did 91 do on Sunday

91 White played in Quakerfest
Beat Tristate 11-1
Lost to Dukes 5-3
Tied fl$ 4-4
Teams looks good with a few adjustments solid team this year added some good players some were from Orange team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did 91 do on Sunday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 White played in Quakerfest
Beat Tristate 11-1
Lost to Dukes 5-3
Tied fl$ 4-4
Teams looks good with a few adjustments solid team this year added some good players some were from Orange team.

fl$ pretty much had same kind of day as 91 so they both looked good for the first showcase of the season ..Defense is usually a step ahead and both teams played solid D from midfield down to the defenseman.. Offense will click in due time but overall pretty good. How team does is not the main thing. It's how your son performs which is most important

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did 91 do on Sunday

Edge lost 9-8 to Madlax last summer at Crab's where do u see them writing they were undeafeated?

They only axed 2 kids and gained 2 and swapped Goalies ! They will be back and stronger then ever !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They only axed 2 kids and gained 2 and swapped Goalies ! They will be back and stronger then ever !

Who are you talking about?

I think "They" = 91.

not good with pronouns

Who are the top 19 teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the top 19 teams

Express North
Team 91
Edge
Sweetlax
Crabs
Laxachusetts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the top 19 teams

Express North
Team 91
Edge
Sweetlax
Crabs
Laxachusetts

Can't leave out Express, Madlax, or HHH

Madlax and HHH just beat 91 last weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the top 19 teams

Express North
Team 91
Edge
Sweetlax
Crabs
Laxachusetts

Can't leave out Express, Madlax, or HHH

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the top 19 teams

Express North
Team 91
Edge
Sweetlax
Crabs
Laxachusetts

Can't leave out Express, Madlax, or HHH

Top 5 is ExpN, Madlax, HHH, 91 and Laxachusetts. Crabs way down at this age, Edge is 2017 and Sweetlax hasnt made a final.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the top 19 teams

Express North
Team 91
Edge
Sweetlax
Crabs
Laxachusetts

Can't leave out Express, Madlax, or HHH

Top 5 is ExpN, Madlax, HHH, 91 and Laxachusetts. Crabs way down at this age, Edge is 2017 and Sweetlax hasnt made a final.

Sweetlax has like 8 committed kids already, way more than any other. They did win the Inside Lacrosse recruiting tournament last summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't leave out Express, Madlax, or HHH

Top 5 is ExpN, Madlax, HHH, 91 and Laxachusetts. Crabs way down at this age, Edge is 2017 and Sweetlax hasnt made a final.

Sweetlax has like 8 committed kids already, way more than any other. They did win the Inside Lacrosse recruiting tournament last summer.

I think this approach is a bit misguided. Most commits does not equal most talented. Any of these top teams are loaded with kids who will go on to play college lacrosse and I'm sure plenty of kids who will one day be DI all-americans haven't even made a visit to a school yet.

Maybe those Sweetlax commits are getting bad advice or just taking the first offer to come along.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't leave out Express, Madlax, or HHH

Top 5 is ExpN, Madlax, HHH, 91 and Laxachusetts. Crabs way down at this age, Edge is 2017 and Sweetlax hasnt made a final.

Sweetlax has like 8 committed kids already, way more than any other. They did win the Inside Lacrosse recruiting tournament last summer.

I think this approach is a bit misguided. Most commits does not equal most talented. Any of these top teams are loaded with kids who will go on to play college lacrosse and I'm sure plenty of kids who will one day be DI all-americans haven't even made a visit to a school yet.

Maybe those Sweetlax commits are getting bad advice or just taking the first offer to come along.

Maybe, but getting this amount of interest from top programs suggests this is a top club. Ultimately kids get recruited, not teams. And getting your kid recruiting is goal. Kids are not playing just for fun anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't leave out Express, Madlax, or HHH

Top 5 is ExpN, Madlax, HHH, 91 and Laxachusetts. Crabs way down at this age, Edge is 2017 and Sweetlax hasnt made a final.

Sweetlax has like 8 committed kids already, way more than any other. They did win the Inside Lacrosse recruiting tournament last summer.

I think this approach is a bit misguided. Most commits does not equal most talented. Any of these top teams are loaded with kids who will go on to play college lacrosse and I'm sure plenty of kids who will one day be DI all-americans haven't even made a visit to a school yet.

Maybe those Sweetlax commits are getting bad advice or just taking the first offer to come along.

Maybe, but getting this amount of interest from top programs suggests this is a top club. Ultimately kids get recruited, not teams. And getting your kid recruiting is goal. Kids are not playing just for fun anymore.

This comment is sad but unfortunately true. Kids are being robbed of just being a kid

So, I'm sure it has been explained before, but how are the verbal commitments actually made? To the best of my understanding a coach can not contact a player until sometime in their junior year summer.

How is the contact made? Via a coach and then player contacts college coach?

Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't leave out Express, Madlax, or HHH

Top 5 is ExpN, Madlax, HHH, 91 and Laxachusetts. Crabs way down at this age, Edge is 2017 and Sweetlax hasnt made a final.

Sweetlax has like 8 committed kids already, way more than any other. They did win the Inside Lacrosse recruiting tournament last summer.

I think this approach is a bit misguided. Most commits does not equal most talented. Any of these top teams are loaded with kids who will go on to play college lacrosse and I'm sure plenty of kids who will one day be DI all-americans haven't even made a visit to a school yet.

Maybe those Sweetlax commits are getting bad advice or just taking the first offer to come along.

Maybe, but getting this amount of interest from top programs suggests this is a top club. Ultimately kids get recruited, not teams. And getting your kid recruiting is goal. Kids are not playing just for fun anymore.

This comment is sad but unfortunately true. Kids are being robbed of just being a kid

Very true. Unfortunately, the fun stops for many kids because of the many lowly characters in this "Business".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yay! LI just (kind of) got its first 2019 verbal to MD from Smithtown. Not sure if it actually counts as LI since the kid only moved here a couple months ago and got recruited playing for his MA club. Congrats, here he's very good!

Well deserved but not an LI commit. Good luck!

Actually, kid moved to MA from Smithtown a few years ago, now moving back. So, probably can classify as an LI commit!

If the player initiates the contact, via email for example, then the Coach is permitted to contact the player prior to the summer of junior year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, I'm sure it has been explained before, but how are the verbal commitments actually made? To the best of my understanding a coach can not contact a player until sometime in their junior year summer.

How is the contact made? Via a coach and then player contacts college coach?

Thanks

With the early commits it usually works like this:

College coaches identify the players that they like. The coaches then reach out to the club coach (sometimes HS coach) and express their interest. The college coaches will ask the club / HS coach to have the player call them. The coach will develop a dialog and may ask the player and parents to visit the school. If the coach really likes the player and has the player ranked high on his list he will communicate that and may make an offer.

Remember, coaches recruit more players than they take. Just because a coach expresses interest do not assume he will make an offer.

How did Leading Edge do last weekend?

Right he wants the player to call him. I still feel at this age it's wrong. NCAA needs to make that illegal too. Maybe that should start more like 10th grade year. National letter of intent is not till your senior year. A lot can happen in 4 yrs!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did Leading Edge do last weekend?

They did great. All of the boys had an opportunity to play in front of coaches from the many of the best programs and schools in the country.

Great day of lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the player initiates the contact, via email for example, then the Coach is permitted to contact the player prior to the summer of junior year.

That is not correct. up until Junior year the coach may still only reply to an email with an invite to a prospect day or a request to complete a recruiting questionnaire. Same thing with a phone call. Player must make that call. if your son calls the coach and leaves him a message the coach may not call him back up until junior year. the player must initiate all contact

usually the coach contacts the club coach and asks if the player can call him on X date at X time. From there the player and coach may set dates and times to check back in. For example my older son after initial contact would email him saying coach I am going to call you on Tuesday at 2:00 and that may be their next discussion

How did flag play last weekend

Edge 2017 that's funny. They are all born in 2000 and at least half the team is on the verge of committing D-1 by the end of the year..Read it and weep

Long Island parent here. What's the big deal with the 2000 year of birth. My son is 9th grade born early 01. A lot of his friends in same grade are born in late even mid 2000. Stop crying. That is the "edge" some kids have.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island parent here. What's the big deal with the 2000 year of birth. My son is 9th grade born early 01. A lot of his friends in same grade are born in late even mid 2000. Stop crying. That is the "edge" some kids have.

Hear is the reality: as far as I know, most school districts on The Island have a December 1 cutoff date for kindergarden. 12/1/2000 - 11/30/2001 would put you in the Class of 2019. Anything earlier and the child is considered a Holdback. For some players it does not matter, however when a very strong athlete is held back that player will have a significant advantage. If a team has several players who are "very good athletes" who happen to be held back several months (Jan. Feb. Mar. April. May. etc...) that team will have a big advantage. That is not a complaint, it is reality.

A boy who is a really good athlete for his age is going to have a huge advantage over boys 8 to 20 months younger than he is.

I personally do not have a problem with it, it helps my kid when he plays stronger competition.

Look at the bright side of the holdback situation...your on-age, smller kid may get a look if the old, bigger "holdback" can't make grades...Please stop whining

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the bright side of the holdback situation...your on-age, smller kid may get a look if the old, bigger "holdback" can't make grades...Please stop whining

Spoken like a true cheat. The post that you replied to didn't sound like a whine to me.

The fact is, that most if not all holdbacks and re-classed kids would be average at best if they played against their own age.

Now, if the kids are like their parents and they need more time to develop mentally and academically I understand why you would hold them back.

No whining here, I want my kids challenged.

Facts are facts and apparently some do not want to admit the truth. Some would rather pound their chest when their son plays down in age and does well.

Good Luck

Wrong looks who's committed.

Did I hear Sweetlax went winless today at the Big 4 Champions Fall League? Makes you wonder how they have 9 commits...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did I hear Sweetlax went winless today at the Big 4 Champions Fall League? Makes you wonder how they have 9 commits...

The commits are playing football, dbag. Any other questions?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did I hear Sweetlax went winless today at the Big 4 Champions Fall League? Makes you wonder how they have 9 commits...

The commits are playing football, dbag. Any other questions?

No, it's because Sweetlax has become a gang of mercenaries. They brag about their commits, but most of those guys are excellent players from other parts of the country who play in one tournament with Sweetlax, get committed, and then never play for Sweetlax ever again.

The number of actual commits Sweetlax gets from their core NY area is paltry. Just marketing.

Actually dbag 5 of them were there

U lost 3 in a row.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did I hear Sweetlax went winless today at the Big 4 Champions Fall League? Makes you wonder how they have 9 commits...

The commits are playing football, dbag. Any other questions?

Another moron who does not get it. I was there and I only know how our team did. Oh yeah, I know something else, there were a ton of college coaches there and they could care less who wins the game.

Maryland, Duke, Virginia, North Carolina, Penn, Penn State, Hopkins, Cornell, Lehigh, Rutgers, Michigan, Princeton, Dartmouth, Loyola, the list of coaches goes on and on.

FYI moron, the strongest kid on the weakest team there will be recruited before the weakest kid on the strongest team. Just about all of the kids there today will find a place to play and get a great education. I wish all of the boys well.

You are a POS , I hope your kid does not turn out like you.

Sounds like u are frustrated

Finally, the First announced verbal from LI ... Exp/St. A's Middy to Mich. Congrats to him!

Let the LI flood gates open!

congrats to your son...and if its not your son, you need to stop tracking freshman boys...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, it's because Sweetlax has become a gang of mercenaries. They brag about their commits, but most of those guys are excellent players from other parts of the country who play in one tournament with Sweetlax, get committed, and then never play for Sweetlax ever again.

The number of actual commits Sweetlax gets from their core NY area is paltry. Just marketing.

This post hits the nail on the head. They promote commitments and players who aren't really on their team, then when it comes to playing the top competition they fall flat.

Most commits does not equal most talented, and they are most certainly not getting the best coaching considering the director of Sweetlax has little to no experience playing the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did I hear Sweetlax went winless today at the Big 4 Champions Fall League? Makes you wonder how they have 9 commits...

The commits are playing football, dbag. Any other questions?

Why so angry? I think what the previous poster was saying is that Sweetlax has 9 commits, which to me means they have 9 superb players that deserved to be recruited in the top 25 of their class. 9 players is practically a full starting line-up. So if their top 9 players can't win how can they be in the top 25 of the entire 2019 class.

No need to get your blood pressure up over it, it was a simple questions.

How did 2019 teams do at the Harvard Crimson tourney this past weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did I hear Sweetlax went winless today at the Big 4 Champions Fall League? Makes you wonder how they have 9 commits...

The commits are playing football, dbag. Any other questions?

Why so angry? I think what the previous poster was saying is that Sweetlax has 9 commits, which to me means they have 9 superb players that deserved to be recruited in the top 25 of their class. 9 players is practically a full starting line-up. So if their top 9 players can't win how can they be in the top 25 of the entire 2019 class.

No need to get your blood pressure up over it, it was a simple questions.

5 playing football, not angry just wanted to make sure you knew the facts before shooting your moth off!

HA HA ...HE SAID MOTH!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did I hear Sweetlax went winless today at the Big 4 Champions Fall League? Makes you wonder how they have 9 commits...

The commits are playing football, dbag. Any other questions?

Why so angry? I think what the previous poster was saying is that Sweetlax has 9 commits, which to me means they have 9 superb players that deserved to be recruited in the top 25 of their class. 9 players is practically a full starting line-up. So if their top 9 players can't win how can they be in the top 25 of the entire 2019 class.

No need to get your blood pressure up over it, it was a simple questions.

5 playing football, not angry just wanted to make sure you knew the facts before shooting your moth off!

Regardless of the number of commits, I watched 2 of the Sweetlax games and no one really stood out. Not sure if they are on cruise control, but LI Express North 2019 controlled the game against them. Maybe they have been celebrating their commits a little too much...? Life only has one final event, everything else is a stop along the way. Keep working hard.

Did Leading Edge Elite play in 2 showcases this past weekend? How many teams do they have?

Leading edge south is their B team . So you played their B team. You would lose by a large margin if you played leading edge elite. You have to be invited to those top recruiting tournaments to play those type of teams and get your kids recruited. Colleges are not coming to these other tournaments where the top teams ate not at. Maybe you have a few show their faces at these other ones.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading edge south is their B team . So you played their B team. You would lose by a large margin if you played leading edge elite. You have to be invited to those top recruiting tournaments to play those type of teams and get your kids recruited. Colleges are not coming to these other tournaments where the top teams ate not at. Maybe you have a few show their faces at these other ones.

Did their Elite team do a few different showcases last weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading edge south is their B team . So you played their B team. You would lose by a large margin if you played leading edge elite. You have to be invited to those top recruiting tournaments to play those type of teams and get your kids recruited. Colleges are not coming to these other tournaments where the top teams ate not at. Maybe you have a few show their faces at these other ones.

Did their Elite team do a few different showcases last weekend?

Which Leading Edge team played at Big 4?

Leading Edge ELite played at the University of Maryland Terrapin Classic. They Played 91 White and won 6-5. They played orange the day before and lost to them 8-6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading edge south is their B team . So you played their B team. You would lose by a large margin if you played leading edge elite. You have to be invited to those top recruiting tournaments to play those type of teams and get your kids recruited. Colleges are not coming to these other tournaments where the top teams ate not at. Maybe you have a few show their faces at these other ones.

Did their Elite team do a few different showcases last weekend?

Because teams think they beat their top team at MVP rider and it was just a bunch of B teams there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Because teams think they beat their top team at MVP rider and it was just a bunch of B teams there.

Maybe you can help. What showcases did Leading Edge Elite do this past weekend?

The leading edge elite team played in both the Pottstown tournament and the Terp fall classic....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The leading edge elite team played in both the Pottstown tournament and the Terp fall classic....

How did they do in both tournaments?

What leading edge team is playing 2019 at Adrenaline Invit II leesburg va?

LI Express 2019 AA went undefeated at Big Four Philly on Saturday. Impressive showing following up on the 3-0 day on 11/1 at the NLF Showcase. After beating the EDGE at NLF and now beating Sweetlax at Big Four Showcase in Pottstown, they have to be considered a Top 3 team in the country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Express 2019 AA went undefeated at Big Four Philly on Saturday. Impressive showing following up on the 3-0 day on 11/1 at the NLF Showcase. After beating the EDGE at NLF and now beating Sweetlax at Big Four Showcase in Pottstown, they have to be considered a Top 3 team in the country.

What was the score of the edge game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Express 2019 AA went undefeated at Big Four Philly on Saturday. Impressive showing following up on the 3-0 day on 11/1 at the NLF Showcase. After beating the EDGE at NLF and now beating Sweetlax at Big Four Showcase in Pottstown, they have to be considered a Top 3 team in the country.

I believe the score was 6-5

What was the score of the edge game?

for a few weeks I have been preaching check your kids phones. The issues at Smithtown and Kings Park are not isolated to them. When we were young many times it was hear say that got us into trouble. Now you have an images or video of what was done. Things are no longer hear say - it is facts. and in many cases around forever.

We must teach our kids what is right and wrong but I am also realistic and understand you show me 1 14/15 year old that isn't curious now. I am not sure I could have shown restraint at 14/15 not to view these things.

There are so many apps out there I am sure I don't know all of them that give our kids quick access to the world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Express 2019 AA went undefeated at Big Four Philly on Saturday. Impressive showing following up on the 3-0 day on 11/1 at the NLF Showcase. After beating the EDGE at NLF and now beating Sweetlax at Big Four Showcase in Pottstown, they have to be considered a Top 3 team in the country.

Any news on the LI express 2019 A team? Heard they're very strong too..

They got pounded by Laxachusettes @NLF

Met two parents from that second li express team and they said they got destroyed last weekend. 35 kids on a roster is a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They got pounded by Laxachusettes @NLF

Do you mean the express B team ? Now they are calling that team an A ...very funny..you must be kidding...you might call them the Catholic school scraps..Just kidding

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Express 2019 AA went undefeated at Big Four Philly on Saturday. Impressive showing following up on the 3-0 day on 11/1 at the NLF Showcase. After beating the EDGE at NLF and now beating Sweetlax at Big Four Showcase in Pottstown, they have to be considered a Top 3 team in the country.

I believe the score was 6-5

The LI Express NORTH 2019AA is the team that has been beating everyone, not the LIE Express 2019 team.

What was the score of the edge game?

So how is the LI express team doing then?

LI Express team is doing awesome!
Got to play the last 2 weekends in front of numerous college coaches at beautiful venues with great fall weather against very talented teams.
Dads and Moms enjoying spending time with there sons at a very exciting time in there life's!
What else can you ask for.

They are 3-3
Beat team Thunder from Georgia, Leading Edge, and 3d Pacific
Lost to Edge, Madlax and Laxachusett.
All very talented teams with really good players.
But the real score was how many coaches were watching!
Good luck to all the boys!

So they were 3-3..Thanks for the update

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Met two parents from that second li express team and they said they got destroyed last weekend. 35 kids on a roster is a joke.

10 attackmen? hahahahahah

Im not sure what the number was. They lost to 91 crush though. That cant happen. Sad parents paying that much money to be treated like that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Im not sure what the number was. They lost to 91 crush though. That cant happen. Sad parents paying that much money to be treated like that.

Who lost to 91 crush? Not the express?..Does the LI Express have a B team still?

Did the same Express North 2019 team play at Big Four on Saturday and UMD Terrapin Classic on Sunday?

The team that played on Saturday may be the best, most balanced team I've seen play this Fall. Most of the posters are focused on college coaches watching games, I think they want to watch the best teams because there is a reasoning they are winning.

Jeez, with 30 or 35 kids on a roster that is a great way to send about 30 or 35 families home unhappy after every tournament.

Seems like only a couple years ago Dom Starsia talked about how embarrassing it was to be watching 9th graders play lacrosse. No wait...that was only two years ago.

This is so bad and so sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the same Express North 2019 team play at Big Four on Saturday and UMD Terrapin Classic on Sunday?

The team that played on Saturday may be the best, most balanced team I've seen play this Fall. Most of the posters are focused on college coaches watching games, I think they want to watch the best teams because there is a reasoning they are winning.

Same team, yes

I took the bait..

I believe Express has a few groups in the 2019 grade. The top group (schwalje), then another group of players (Schrieber), then another group of players (Pomps).

Who cares what someone else is paying for their experience. If the one complaining is on the team then you need to have a chat, maybe the placement isn't right for you or your child.

I see it as, if those boys were not on that team they would just be on another.

Express B lost to Crush

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Im not sure what the number was. They lost to 91 crush though. That cant happen. Sad parents paying that much money to be treated like that.

Who lost to 91 crush? Not the express?..Does the LI Express have a B team still?

Also express north has a AA 2019 and a 2019 A team

LIE North beat edge 9-8.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LIE North beat edge 9-8.

Exciting game. Edge was fantastic in transition and had superb attackman (one is a Virginia commit) and two quick goalies. Express North had stronger middies which helped control the game with strong dodging and physical defense. I was very impressed with the Express North defense, disciplined and tough. It was good to see lacrosse played the right way, not a lot of selfish showcase crap.

There is an "orange crush" team playing in the 2019 division at the Big 12 tournament in Columbia, MD this weekend. What team is that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express B lost to Crush

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Im not sure what the number was. They lost to 91 crush though. That cant happen. Sad parents paying that much money to be treated like that.

Who lost to 91 crush? Not the express?..Does the LI Express have a B team still?

thats nice, but Crush has older kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is an "orange crush" team playing in the 2019 division at the Big 12 tournament in Columbia, MD this weekend. What team is that?

That Orange Crush is a club from upstate NY

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took the bait..

I believe Express has a few groups in the 2019 grade. The top group (schwalje), then another group of players (Schrieber), then another group of players (Pomps).

Who cares what someone else is paying for their experience. If the one complaining is on the team then you need to have a chat, maybe the placement isn't right for you or your child.

I see it as, if those boys were not on that team they would just be on another.

I think LI Express has 4 2019 teams - schwalje, schrieber, pomp,and pomponio. I heard schrieber team has at least 30 on roster, and I think they move kids around amongst the bottom 3 teams. When you play express, you never know what you're getting!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took the bait..

I believe Express has a few groups in the 2019 grade. The top group (schwalje), then another group of players (Schrieber), then another group of players (Pomps).

Who cares what someone else is paying for their experience. If the one complaining is on the team then you need to have a chat, maybe the placement isn't right for you or your child.

I see it as, if those boys were not on that team they would just be on another.

I think LI Express has 4 2019 teams - schwalje, schrieber, pomp,and pomponio. I heard schrieber team has at least 30 on roster, and I think they move kids around amongst the bottom 3 teams. When you play express, you never know what you're getting!

Wow, how do you get on the TOP team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took the bait..

I believe Express has a few groups in the 2019 grade. The top group (schwalje), then another group of players (Schrieber), then another group of players (Pomps).

Who cares what someone else is paying for their experience. If the one complaining is on the team then you need to have a chat, maybe the placement isn't right for you or your child.

I see it as, if those boys were not on that team they would just be on another.

I think LI Express has 4 2019 teams - schwalje, schrieber, pomp,and pomponio. I heard schrieber team has at least 30 on roster, and I think they move kids around amongst the bottom 3 teams. When you play express, you never know what you're getting!

Wow, how do you get on the TOP team?

If your not on the top teams why pay the money? ..is it to make sure you can still make the Catholic school team? It's a shame if that is the case but it's not my money being wasted at least..what a joke some of us parents are . We need to look in the mirror and wonder what we have become

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took the bait..

I believe Express has a few groups in the 2019 grade. The top group (schwalje), then another group of players (Schrieber), then another group of players (Pomps).

Who cares what someone else is paying for their experience. If the one complaining is on the team then you need to have a chat, maybe the placement isn't right for you or your child.

I see it as, if those boys were not on that team they would just be on another.

I think LI Express has 4 2019 teams - schwalje, schrieber, pomp,and pomponio. I heard schrieber team has at least 30 on roster, and I think they move kids around amongst the bottom 3 teams. When you play express, you never know what you're getting!

Wow, how do you get on the TOP team?

The TOP teams will find you, if your son is exceptional enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took the bait..

I believe Express has a few groups in the 2019 grade. The top group (schwalje), then another group of players (Schrieber), then another group of players (Pomps).

Who cares what someone else is paying for their experience. If the one complaining is on the team then you need to have a chat, maybe the placement isn't right for you or your child.

I see it as, if those boys were not on that team they would just be on another.

I think LI Express has 4 2019 teams - schwalje, schrieber, pomp,and pomponio. I heard schrieber team has at least 30 on roster, and I think they move kids around amongst the bottom 3 teams. When you play express, you never know what you're getting!

Wow, how do you get on the TOP team?

If your not on the top teams why pay the money? ..is it to make sure you can still make the Catholic school team? It's a shame if that is the case but it's not my money being wasted at least..what a joke some of us parents are . We need to look in the mirror and wonder what we have become

Why do you care if not your money? Maybe the practices are valuable, maybe it is a matter of convenience, or maybe some people like to play for who will be their eventual coach. All personal choices. What works for one may not work for another.

If your not on the top teams why pay the money? ..is it to make sure you can still make the Catholic school team? It's a shame if that is the case but it's not my money being wasted at least..what a joke some of us parents are . We need to look in the mirror and wonder what we have become [/quote]

flawed logic - they play the best kids regardless of what club program you played for. Plenty of starters on the freshman teams from 91, outlaws and even LI Empire last year at Chaminade and SA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your not on the top teams why pay the money? ..is it to make sure you can still make the Catholic school team? It's a shame if that is the case but it's not my money being wasted at least..what a joke some of us parents are . We need to look in the mirror and wonder what we have become

flawed logic - they play the best kids regardless of what club program you played for. Plenty of starters on the freshman teams from 91, outlaws and even LI Empire last year at Chaminade and SA [/quote]

That doesn't help the kids on express then that think they will be playing for their Catholic school team over the other ones

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took the bait..

I believe Express has a few groups in the 2019 grade. The top group (schwalje), then another group of players (Schrieber), then another group of players (Pomps).

Who cares what someone else is paying for their experience. If the one complaining is on the team then you need to have a chat, maybe the placement isn't right for you or your child.

I see it as, if those boys were not on that team they would just be on another.

I think LI Express has 4 2019 teams - schwalje, schrieber, pomp,and pomponio. I heard schrieber team has at least 30 on roster, and I think they move kids around amongst the bottom 3 teams. When you play express, you never know what you're getting!

Wow, how do you get on the TOP team?

The TOP teams will find you, if your son is exceptional enough.

oh yeah, I forgot. Theres no politics at all in youth lacrosse. $$$ never never plays a role.
you must also believe in the tooth fairy?

The tooth fairy plays for the Outlaws

Looks like the outlaws select is ducking team revolution next week in fl$ in 3d. Funny how they were playing each other and all a sudden outlaws goes to another bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the outlaws select is ducking team revolution next week in fl$ in 3d. Funny how they were playing each other and all a sudden outlaws goes to another bracket.

Maybe Revolution went to other bracket...Tell it like it is

Outlaws are in a HIGHER Rated Bracket- Rev Playing all B Teams, SO WHO ASKED OUT- Outlaws will play rev any time,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the outlaws select is ducking team revolution next week in fl$ in 3d. Funny how they were playing each other and all a sudden outlaws goes to another bracket.

Maybe Revolution went to other bracket...Tell it like it is

Hate to say it but not too many people really care if they play each other over the weekend. Following week at Philly Freshmen is where the best games will be and the. Best lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the outlaws select is ducking team revolution next week in fl$ in 3d. Funny how they were playing each other and all a sudden outlaws goes to another bracket.

Maybe Revolution went to other bracket...Tell it like it is

Hate to say it but not too many people really care if they play each other over the weekend. Following week at Philly Freshmen is where the best games will be and the. Best lacrosse

If you really take a look, no team has had a bigger turnover then the Revoluution.Not sure how many but they are lucky if they keep 10 kids every year. Probably already looking to make changes for the spring if they can.

Every year ?? They only been around for two years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws are in a HIGHER Rated Bracket- Rev Playing all B Teams, SO WHO ASKED OUT- Outlaws will play rev any time,

You people are absolutely nuts. All of you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The tooth fairy plays for the Outlaws

Who's that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every year ?? They only been around for two years.

It's amazing all the changes in two years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws are in a HIGHER Rated Bracket- Rev Playing all B Teams, SO WHO ASKED OUT- Outlaws will play rev any time,

Didn't know the brackets were ranked. But I don't see either team ducking the other either. Imagine if the bracket was fl$, Schrieber, Bluefish, Outlaws, Revolution. You'd hear why do we need to play each other off the Island.

If you want set it up on Li go ahead. Many of these teams are new so they will need the work. who knows what you will get.

Good luck to all the LI teams and boys headed out for the weekend.

What is the "A" bluefish White or black

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the "A" bluefish White or black

...

More like B or C teams ..sorry no A team...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the "A" bluefish White or black

...

More like B or C teams ..sorry no A team...

Which team is better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the "A" bluefish White or black

...

More like B or C teams ..sorry no A team...

No need for [lacrosse] comments. You knew what was being asked. It was a fair question going into a tournament weekend with many LI teams in attendance.

STEPS NJ is playing Schwalje; any good?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the "A" bluefish White or black

...

More like B or C teams ..sorry no A team...

No need for [lacrosse] comments. You knew what was being asked. It was a fair question going into a tournament weekend with many LI teams in attendance.

I think he was letting them know that neither team should beat theirs if they are a legit A team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

STEPS NJ is playing Schwalje; any good?

From what I gather here they are a middle of the road A team

Saw them at Harvard last week. Pretty solid. Beat Laxachusetts white, fl$, and 3d by what looked like double digits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw them at Harvard last week. Pretty solid. Beat Laxachusetts white, fl$, and 3d by what looked like double digits.

How does Laxachusetts go Black, White, then Green?

Are you talking about Steps?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw them at Harvard last week. Pretty solid. Beat Laxachusetts white, fl$, and 3d by what looked like double digits.

Yeah. Light blue unis

just for the record, black is considered the top team...let's leave the alphabet out of it, because the nonsense being played with the labeling is laughable...I guess your kid must play for revo triple AAA diamond platinum nitro...best kid on an average team going to get more looks than average kid on the best team...start worrying about that first jackass

So, I guess that particular question got answered... only undefeated team at fl$ tourney today out of the three mentioned in the post, Revolution, Outlaws, and Bluefish was...wait for it... yep, you guessed it, Bluefish black....Bluefish handing Revolution a direct 4-2 lose...LOVE IT! Ain't karma great! Probably same guy who was desperately Mbad mouthing the Bluefish organization during the tryouts, hoping to scare players off...well that's settled too...So, let's stop with the labeling crap, no need for alphabet or adjectives following team name, good teams all...should be a fun summer...P.S. thanks for the motivation jackass

Let me guess was it a father who runs revo? Snake in the grass and is hated in his town. Stay away folks. All about his kid. Don't let him fool you. Always shows up at other tryouts or tournaments lurking. Lol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, I guess that particular question got answered... only undefeated team at fl$ tourney today out of the three mentioned in the post, Revolution, Outlaws, and Bluefish was...wait for it... yep, you guessed it, Bluefish black....Bluefish handing Revolution a direct 4-2 lose...LOVE IT! Ain't karma great! Probably same guy who was desperately Mbad mouthing the Bluefish organization during the tryouts, hoping to scare players off...well that's settled too...So, let's stop with the labeling crap, no need for alphabet or adjectives following team name, good teams all...should be a fun summer...P.S. thanks for the motivation jackass

which tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me guess was it a father who runs revo? Snake in the grass and is hated in his town. Stay away folks. All about his kid. Don't let him fool you. Always shows up at other tryouts or tournaments lurking. Lol.

I guess it's just another parent whose son was cut and is bitter as usual. Get over it and move on. Who else did Blue Fish beat in this B bracket Long Island Showcase out of state? Remember competition is always good when you play teams of same caliber.

See, someone doing it again...Can't help yourself with this labeling thing...Bluefish beat the teams that were put in front of them, that's it...lots of teams that claim "A" status at fl$ in 3D... Outlaws, Revo, took losses, fl$, 3D mid Atlantic, they took two ...even the Express team got pushed to a one goal victory...hardly think you can call them a "B" team...stop hating on the average teams, they are not Express AA or 91 Orange, few teams can claim a collection of talent like them...but even those teams have lesser players...worry about whether your kid fits that "label" or not and stop worrying about which team he plays for...lots of reasons kids play for certain teams, not all of it has to do with talent...think your efforts better served there then labeling other teams...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

See, someone doing it again...Can't help yourself with this labeling thing...Bluefish beat the teams that were put in front of them, that's it...lots of teams that claim "A" status at fl$ in 3D... Outlaws, Revo, took losses, fl$, 3D mid Atlantic, they took two ...even the Express team got pushed to a one goal victory...hardly think you can call them a "B" team...stop hating on the average teams, they are not Express AA or 91 Orange, few teams can claim a collection of talent like them...but even those teams have lesser players...worry about whether your kid fits that "label" or not and stop worrying about which team he plays for...lots of reasons kids play for certain teams, not all of it has to do with talent...think your efforts better served there then labeling other teams...

So Blue Fish is a legit A ???who did they beat besides a Revo team that is ok ..Just let us know who they beat and lost to so everyone can judge? How many wins did Revo have and who did they beat?

Anyone know of any indoor lacrosse leagues for 9th/10th grade teams this winter?

No My kid was not cut from revo. Was told to stay away two years ago guy! Because those guys bounce from club to club. Jesters true blue now revo right? Thank you. And that two fathers run the show not the coaches.

Please lighten up. You sound so silly and shallow. It's freshman lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, I guess that particular question got answered... only undefeated team at fl$ tourney today out of the three mentioned in the post, Revolution, Outlaws, and Bluefish was...wait for it... yep, you guessed it, Bluefish black....Bluefish handing Revolution a direct 4-2 lose...LOVE IT! Ain't karma great! Probably same guy who was desperately Mbad mouthing the Bluefish organization during the tryouts, hoping to scare players off...well that's settled too...So, let's stop with the labeling crap, no need for alphabet or adjectives following team name, good teams all...should be a fun summer...P.S. thanks for the motivation jackass

you and your ilk are out of your minds, putting so much emphasis on fall ball when many teams are missing players due to other commitments. Also, coaches are working players in various situations to see who fits where and who can do what. i wouldn't put too much stock into fall lax.

Coaches traditionally concentrate on personnel and game play, not on ordering apparel and getting field permits.

How did Express do against Steps?

Why bicker? Long Island is ripe with Lax talent so it only makes sense that most Long Island teams will be competitive with each other. We should support each other and our region as Lacrosse has been a great resource that has helped many of us over the years. With such explosive growth the skills gap for our kids has been shrinking making it more difficult for our players to get opportunities.

Looking forward to 2019's next week at Philly, can't wait to see best of the best slug it out.

Wow, somebody has an axe to grind. People are free to do what they want for their own reasons they don't have to answer to you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your not on the top teams why pay the money? ..is it to make sure you can still make the Catholic school team? It's a shame if that is the case but it's not my money being wasted at least..what a joke some of us parents are . We need to look in the mirror and wonder what we have become

flawed logic - they play the best kids regardless of what club program you played for. Plenty of starters on the freshman teams from 91, outlaws and even LI Empire last year at Chaminade and SA

That doesn't help the kids on express then that think they will be playing for their Catholic school team over the other ones [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did Express do against Steps?

who cares? another beautiful day with some pretty good lacrosse. Some college floating around as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, somebody has an axe to grind. People are free to do what they want for their own reasons they don't have to answer to you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your not on the top teams why pay the money? ..is it to make sure you can still make the Catholic school team? It's a shame if that is the case but it's not my money being wasted at least..what a joke some of us parents are . We need to look in the mirror and wonder what we have become

flawed logic - they play the best kids regardless of what club program you played for. Plenty of starters on the freshman teams from 91, outlaws and even LI Empire last year at Chaminade and SA

That doesn't help the kids on express then that think they will be playing for their Catholic school team over the other ones

[/quote]

I have seen it happen with my older son. Just not right

Did we ever get an answer on who Blue fish beat along with Revo and fl$?

Express blew them out in the first half and finished 12-5 or so, Express. Inexplicably, and just like any other tournament, Steps blew out 3D Colorado who beat Express. Steps also blew out Big 4, who I think beat 3D NE, who also beat Express, so go figure.

Bluefish didn't beat fl$.

there are a lot of good teams out there and on any given day you can come out on top.

I love the competition and it goes to show you that there are a lot of good teams and players to help continue the growth of the sport

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bluefish didn't beat fl$.

Just looking to find out what teams Revo, Blue Fish and fl$ beat and lost too?????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bluefish didn't beat fl$.

Just looking to find out what teams Revo, Blue Fish and fl$ beat and lost too?????

if u are on this site I am sure you are aware of the app that houses many scores. Just don't live by that site as they usually have the winners and losers correct but don't always have the score or show the flow of a game correctly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bluefish didn't beat fl$.

Just looking to find out what teams Revo, Blue Fish and fl$ beat and lost too?????

if u are on this site I am sure you are aware of the app that houses many scores. Just don't live by that site as they usually have the winners and losers correct but don't always have the score or show the flow of a game correctly.

Sorry I don't know of the app?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why bicker? Long Island is ripe with Lax talent so it only makes sense that most Long Island teams will be competitive with each other. We should support each other and our region as Lacrosse has been a great resource that has helped many of us over the years. With such explosive growth the skills gap for our kids has been shrinking making it more difficult for our players to get opportunities.

Sounds like Express had a good day and was able to play against some good competition............isn't that what the college coaches want to see, how players compete and react against other quality players? I don't think who won or lost is a priority for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, somebody has an axe to grind. People are free to do what they want for their own reasons they don't have to answer to you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your not on the top teams why pay the money? ..is it to make sure you can still make the Catholic school team? It's a shame if that is the case but it's not my money being wasted at least..what a joke some of us parents are . We need to look in the mirror and wonder what we have become

I'm sure in their eyes they played the best players cause they won't keep their jobs if unsuccessful.

flawed logic - they play the best kids regardless of what club program you played for. Plenty of starters on the freshman teams from 91, outlaws and even LI Empire last year at Chaminade and SA

That doesn't help the kids on express then that think they will be playing for their Catholic school team over the other ones

I have seen it happen with my older son. Just not right [/quote]

I watched the Fighting Ducks 2019 team play last weekend at Lehigh. They have some very good players, lack cohesive team play but a team to watch. They were on an adjoining field and a screaming parent caught my attention, but then I watched some of the game. They need to add a few more players and they could be a tough team to beat.

Can someone answer who Revo,Blue Fish and fl$ played this past weekend and the scores of those games ? It's not a trick question just looking for answers

Did the schedule come out for the freshman team showcase in Philly

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone answer who Revo,Blue Fish and fl$ played this past weekend and the scores of those games ? It's not a trick question just looking for answers

Does it matter what the scores where 91 Dad ? Sunday games were loaded with D1 and 2 coaches on the sideline. I guess you think they only come to where 91 is playing.

For Sunday they have 8 groups and who is playing who but no times yet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the schedule come out for the freshman team showcase in Philly

Where can you find that information

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For Sunday they have 8 groups and who is playing who but no times yet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the schedule come out for the freshman team showcase in Philly

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For Sunday they have 8 groups and who is playing who but no times yet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the schedule come out for the freshman team showcase in Philly

Cold and rainy too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone answer who Revo,Blue Fish and fl$ played this past weekend and the scores of those games ? It's not a trick question just looking for answers

Does it matter what the scores where 91 Dad ? Sunday games were loaded with D1 and 2 coaches on the sideline. I guess you think they only come to where 91 is playing.

Actually not 91...all I am asking is if anyone knows please post. Trying to see where everyone stands without all the BS you guys are throwing around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Can someone answer who Revo,Blue Fish and fl$ played this past weekend and the scores of those games ? It's not a trick question just looking for answers

Does it matter what the scores where 91 Dad ? Sunday games were loaded with D1 and 2 coaches on the sideline. I guess you think they only come to where 91 is playing.

Actually not 91...all I am asking is if anyone knows please post. Trying to see where everyone stands without all the BS you guys are throwing around. [/quote

I guess all three played some very week oponents. That must have been a waste of money to play in that showcase.

Yea waste of $$ to play in front of college coaches. I'm sure if they saw potential they would pass because it wasn't vs Madlax or Edge. Are you just angry your kid wasn't there ??

Sunday will be a waste of time. It will be low 30's and raining

If you care so much about how those 3 teams did this weekend just go on the tournament's website and look at the scores, pretty simple.

Where are you looking. Low 40's and sunny.. Guess you have no clue or are upset about the way your team played this past weekend against PAL caliber teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you care so much about how those 3 teams did this weekend just go on the tournament's website and look at the scores, pretty simple.

I guess Bluefish White will be coming to an end based on those scores .. Why would they be put in that spot?????not good. Out scored 37-2 . Doesn't help the kids much

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you care so much about how those 3 teams did this weekend just go on the tournament's website and look at the scores, pretty simple.

I guess Bluefish White will be coming to an end based on those scores .. Why would they be put in that spot?????not good. Out scored 37-2 . Doesn't help the kids much

why does it have to come to an end. may be just play on a level closer to their skill.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you care so much about how those 3 teams did this weekend just go on the tournament's website and look at the scores, pretty simple.

I guess Bluefish White will be coming to an end based on those scores .. Why would they be put in that spot?????not good. Out scored 37-2 . Doesn't help the kids much

why does it have to come to an end. may be just play on a level closer to their skill.

I hope they never have to go thru that again . it was painful to watch

hmmm...I'm going through this post and gotta tell you, I'm seeing some seriously concerning obsessive behavior. Let the kids play, plenty of talent out there. Plenty of tourneys. Nobody will be stealing looks from the better teams. If a team wants to play in an "A" tourney. They either sink or swim, Your Bluefish sounds like an example of that. You either win or you don't. Some real great games on tap this weekend, but I hardly feel that encompasses the sum of all the talent out there. Good luck to all, can't wait for the spring, should be fun.

Only 3 LI kids and 3 Md. kids on 40 man ALL-Star rosters. Georgia had more. Times are a changing folks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only 3 LI kids and 3 Md. kids on 40 man ALL-Star rosters. Georgia had more. Times are a changing folks.

Not times are changing ..just kids playing with their teams on Sunday and didn't play yesterday

Revolution played Crush in L.I. yesterday. Website not listing the score, anyone know it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only 3 LI kids and 3 Md. kids on 40 man ALL-Star rosters. Georgia had more. Times are a changing folks.

Not times are changing ..just kids playing with their teams on Sunday and didn't play yesterday

How many LI 2019 commits so far? One, and he's not even really from LI? Times have already changed!

Why are u so concerned about that game? A mediocre 2019 team against crush is an easy one to figure out.

Mediocre? My kids not even on that team, but you're a real jerk off. I guess 14 year olds don't go on here? Oh wait YOU must be a 91 player, because adults don't act like that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Revolution played Crush in L.I. yesterday. Website not listing the score, anyone know it?

8-3 Crush

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Revolution played Crush in L.I. yesterday. Website not listing the score, anyone know it?

8-3 Crush

I was impressed with Crush .. They had the biggest kid out there ..he was bigger then the biggest JV kid. Can't beat that size for a 12 or 13 year old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Revolution played Crush in L.I. yesterday. Website not listing the score, anyone know it?

8-3 Crush

I was impressed with Crush .. They had the biggest kid out there ..he was bigger then the biggest JV kid. Can't beat that size for a 12 or 13 year old.

I agree. Kid is a [lacrosse] of a player. They would be a different team without him.

What team for Revolution? Red A or White B?

Revolution was impressive in the games I saw them play! Struggled w Crush team oriented passing but dominated there other games and will continue to improve. Crush is not big or really fast but really understand the game and move the ball incredibly well. Revolution has the pieces to do well overall a great day

I was with my son at Philly all day today. In between his games, I walked around and watched the other teams play. I was very impressed by the 2019 Laxachusetts team. I did not see another team with the size and speed that they had. Their small players look to be 5'10". The team from Georgia was very big and they beat them handily. It is a shame that they did not have a game against Edge from Canada.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Revolution played Crush in L.I. yesterday. Website not listing the score, anyone know it?

8-3 Crush

I was impressed with Crush .. They had the biggest kid out there ..he was bigger then the biggest JV kid. Can't beat that size for a 12 or 13 year old.

I agree. Kid is a [lacrosse] of a player. They would be a different team without him.

Yes they would .He helps them compete against 2019 teams otherwise the size difference would make it tough on them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Revolution was impressive in the games I saw them play! Struggled w Crush team oriented passing but dominated there other games and will continue to improve. Crush is not big or really fast but really understand the game and move the ball incredibly well. Revolution has the pieces to do well overall a great day

Crush is a 2020 team that can beat most 2019 teams in the country

What team for Revolution did Crush play? Was it the Red team or
white?

Edge was not that big

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was with my son at Philly all day today. In between his games, I walked around and watched the other teams play. I was very impressed by the 2019 Laxachusetts team. I did not see another team with the size and speed that they had. Their small players look to be 5'10". The team from Georgia was very big and they beat them handily. It is a shame that they did not have a game against Edge from Canada.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What team for Revolution did Crush play? Was it the Red team or
white?

Crush is a special team and always a pleasure to watch. Revolution team had it's moments but didn't look like they were gelling yet, lots of individual play.

Not that it would've changed anything but Rev parent said ther were missing 5 players.....were they in Philly?

91 Orange not challenged today. One of the other brackets would have obviously been a better fit.

So, where were all those college coaches yesterday at the "Showcase" in Farmingdale ? ? ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Orange not challenged today. One of the other brackets would have obviously been a better fit.

You are probably right. They did struggle in first half of first game which they can't have happen against good teams but other then that goalies and defense didn't get much action.

True. I didn't see many .

Revolution A team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, where were all those college coaches yesterday at the "Showcase" in Farmingdale ? ? ?

In Philly!

We played them yesterday and you are correct...we were outsized and out classed however those boys could move the ball with accuracy and timing.....hats off to them!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We played them yesterday and you are correct...we were outsized and out classed however those boys could move the ball with accuracy and timing.....hats off to them!

Which teams and boys were you saying we're outclassed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, where were all those college coaches yesterday at the "Showcase" in Farmingdale ? ? ?

In Philly!

Really? Danowski and coaches from Army and Umass were watching a Garden City game at Farmingdale yesterday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, where were all those college coaches yesterday at the "Showcase" in Farmingdale ? ? ?

In Philly!

Really? Danowski and coaches from Army and Umass were watching a Garden City game at Farmingdale yesterday

If you think that there were a lot of coaches at Farmindale then you have never been to any of the major recruiting events.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, where were all those college coaches yesterday at the "Showcase" in Farmingdale ? ? ?

In Philly!

Really? Danowski and coaches from Army and Umass were watching a Garden City game at Farmingdale yesterday

Danowski is here for Thanksgiving holiday, he just dropped by.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, where were all those college coaches yesterday at the "Showcase" in Farmingdale ? ? ?

In Philly!

Such nonsense,

Didn't see one clipboard.

Another youth lacrosse $ C A M .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Orange not challenged today. One of the other brackets would have obviously been a better fit.

Agreed. FCA, LI Express, HHH, and 3d Atlantic (really national) was a great bracket with all competitive games. Probably could have combined 91 with LI North, Laxachusetts and Edge. 34 clubs was too much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Orange not challenged today. One of the other brackets would have obviously been a better fit.

Agreed. FCA, LI Express, HHH, and 3d Atlantic (really national) was a great bracket with all competitive games. Probably could have combined 91 with LI North, Laxachusetts and Edge. 34 clubs was too much.

That would have been a much better day of lacrosse

What happened to the LI express down in Philly ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Orange not challenged today. One of the other brackets would have obviously been a better fit.

Agreed. FCA, LI Express, HHH, and 3d Atlantic (really national) was a great bracket with all competitive games. Probably could have combined 91 with LI North, Laxachusetts and Edge. 34 clubs was too much.

That would have been a much better day of lacrosse

Wasn't the score tied at half in one of 91 Orange game? Or they were winning or losing by one?..maybe I missed sonething

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the LI express down in Philly ?

That bracket was brutal. All very good, VERY physical games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the LI express down in Philly ?

That bracket was brutal. All very good, VERY physical games.

Some might say thats a good excuse. Only thing, THEY WENT 0 FOR 3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the LI express down in Philly ?

That bracket was brutal. All very good, VERY physical games.

Some might say thats a good excuse. Only thing, THEY WENT 0 FOR 3

Is Express North that much better then LI express?

If you lose 3 competitive games in a showcase event and all your players are able to be seen by coaches who cares about the score. In a real game environment the outcome would have been different. Everybody played equal time. there were a lot of coaches watching the games and they were able to get a good sense as to how these boys played against top level talent. Much better then going 3-0 against weak teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you lose 3 competitive games in a showcase event and all your players are able to be seen by coaches who cares about the score. In a real game environment the outcome would have been different. Everybody played equal time. there were a lot of coaches watching the games and they were able to get a good sense as to how these boys played against top level talent. Much better then going 3-0 against weak teams.

Really, they ALL played equal time ? Doubtful

Yeah look at who express north beat Canadians , crabs and sweet lax.in previous tournaments .Had coaches at every game. They play equal time to. Oh and they win .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you lose 3 competitive games in a showcase event and all your players are able to be seen by coaches who cares about the score. In a real game environment the outcome would have been different. Everybody played equal time. there were a lot of coaches watching the games and they were able to get a good sense as to how these boys played against top level talent. Much better then going 3-0 against weak teams.

What makes anyone here judge or jury. My son was in the toughest bracket ..no mine was. Team wise it doesn't matter anymore it's all about how your own kid did. Did he show anything or not. These coaches can tell who the athletes are , which ones are the lacrosse players, which ones can handle themselves one on one or needs other players to help them shine. It's not their first rodeo. You can be on the worse team or the best team it doesn't matter . The question is did your son show something that would warrant another look or peak the interest of these coaches. Wins and losses mean nothing at this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the LI express down in Philly ?

That bracket was brutal. All very good, VERY physical games.

Some might say thats a good excuse. Only thing, THEY WENT 0 FOR 3

Thought 2019 express schrieber was supposed to be an A team too....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you lose 3 competitive games in a showcase event and all your players are able to be seen by coaches who cares about the score. In a real game environment the outcome would have been different. Everybody played equal time. there were a lot of coaches watching the games and they were able to get a good sense as to how these boys played against top level talent. Much better then going 3-0 against weak teams.

I watched LI Express yesterday. I think they lost the game I was watching by one goal to a very good HHH team. I have never seen so many kids with bandages and limps in one place. They are all transitioning from fall to winter sports at school and all just played a solid month of showcase lacrosse. I would not use anything that happened yesterday as a proxy for how good or bad a team is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you lose 3 competitive games in a showcase event and all your players are able to be seen by coaches who cares about the score. In a real game environment the outcome would have been different. Everybody played equal time. there were a lot of coaches watching the games and they were able to get a good sense as to how these boys played against top level talent. Much better then going 3-0 against weak teams.

Agreed! As long as you are playing talented teams- coaches will be there and individuals stand out on both teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you lose 3 competitive games in a showcase event and all your players are able to be seen by coaches who cares about the score. In a real game environment the outcome would have been different. Everybody played equal time. there were a lot of coaches watching the games and they were able to get a good sense as to how these boys played against top level talent. Much better then going 3-0 against weak teams.

I am sure 91 and Express North would rather have played in a bracket like that - win, lose or draw - good games + good teams = coaches there to watch

The 2019 Schrieber team had a lot of adjustments with the very late edition of more than a few players. Some people are happy, some people are pissed but this team as it looks now should be a decent competitive team. Only time will tell!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you lose 3 competitive games in a showcase event and all your players are able to be seen by coaches who cares about the score. In a real game environment the outcome would have been different. Everybody played equal time. there were a lot of coaches watching the games and they were able to get a good sense as to how these boys played against top level talent. Much better then going 3-0 against weak teams.

I am sure 91 and Express North would rather have played in a bracket like that - win, lose or draw - good games + good teams = coaches there to watch

That's why the coaches go from field to field and see players from all different teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you lose 3 competitive games in a showcase event and all your players are able to be seen by coaches who cares about the score. In a real game environment the outcome would have been different. Everybody played equal time. there were a lot of coaches watching the games and they were able to get a good sense as to how these boys played against top level talent. Much better then going 3-0 against weak teams.

I am sure 91 and Express North would rather have played in a bracket like that - win, lose or draw - good games + good teams = coaches there to watch

That's why the coaches go from field to field and see players from all different teams

That is true but they can only get to so many and my point was there is a higher chance they are at Edge / laxachussetts than 91 vs ABC or North vs XYZ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you lose 3 competitive games in a showcase event and all your players are able to be seen by coaches who cares about the score. In a real game environment the outcome would have been different. Everybody played equal time. there were a lot of coaches watching the games and they were able to get a good sense as to how these boys played against top level talent. Much better then going 3-0 against weak teams.

I am sure 91 and Express North would rather have played in a bracket like that - win, lose or draw - good games + good teams = coaches there to watch

That's why the coaches go from field to field and see players from all different teams

That is true but they can only get to so many and my point was there is a higher chance they are at Edge / laxachussetts than 91 vs ABC or North vs XYZ.

If you were there you would have seen numerous coaches on the sidelines of the 91 and the north games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the LI express down in Philly ?

That bracket was brutal. All very good, VERY physical games.

Some might say thats a good excuse. Only thing, THEY WENT 0 FOR 3

Thought 2019 express schrieber was supposed to be an A team too....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the LI express down in Philly ?

That bracket was brutal. All very good, VERY physical games.

Some might say thats a good excuse. Only thing, THEY WENT 0 FOR 3

Thought 2019 express schrieber was supposed to be an A team too....

Team 2 is a true A team now. They are hard working, high lax IQ players who will be just fine. Excellent defenders, tough hardworking middies, quick attack, tough goalie.

They beat Colorado 3d last week. Schwaljes team lost to them. They crushed 2018s, JV and varsity this weekend.

Give them time. All will work this winter.

See u on the field in Spring.

I am pulling a thread from outlaws onto 2019

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow........I don't even see any 2019 Legacy teams......quite surprising and quite a tumble!!

Legacy Commandos was blown up by one of the new Outlaws parents! Enjoy him!

Stop it already, how long do you want to play this game. Why keep it up, many 2019 now 2020 Li lax families know there were other real issues on that team. Stop trying to slander one parent as a scape goat for the demise of that team.

How can one parent be responsible for
...a few players announcing they were never coming back
...a few players threatened to be "kicked off"
...the distain numerous parents had for the direction and nepotism on the team.
...a coaching change and the hiring of a new coach/director to babysit the most recent coach/director.
...last minute practice changes
...quality of tournaments
...demise of the Dune Dawgs or the 2021 team

If this parent was such a disruptive force why wouldn't the organization get rid of him. Stop it, stop blaming the 1 parent! Tell the truth, the organization did not value that team as it was set up. It was evident to many of the parents (customers)and they wizen up and took their business else where.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the LI express down in Philly ?

That bracket was brutal. All very good, VERY physical games.

Some might say thats a good excuse. Only thing, THEY WENT 0 FOR 3

Thought 2019 express schrieber was supposed to be an A team too....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the LI express down in Philly ?

That bracket was brutal. All very good, VERY physical games.

Some might say thats a good excuse. Only thing, THEY WENT 0 FOR 3

Thought 2019 express schrieber was supposed to be an A team too....

Team 2 is a true A team now. They are hard working, high lax IQ players who will be just fine. Excellent defenders, tough hardworking middies, quick attack, tough goalie.

They beat Colorado 3d last week. Schwaljes team lost to them. They crushed 2018s, JV and varsity this weekend.

Give them time. All will work this winter.

See u on the field in Spring.

What are you talking about? They lost all 3 games Saturday, and 2 weren't even close!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am pulling a thread from outlaws onto 2019

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow........I don't even see any 2019 Legacy teams......quite surprising and quite a tumble!!

Legacy Commandos was blown up by one of the new Outlaws parents! Enjoy him!

Stop it already, how long do you want to play this game. Why keep it up, many 2019 now 2020 Li lax families know there were other real issues on that team. Stop trying to slander one parent as a scape goat for the demise of that team.

How can one parent be responsible for
...a few players announcing they were never coming back
...a few players threatened to be "kicked off"
...the distain numerous parents had for the direction and nepotism on the team.
...a coaching change and the hiring of a new coach/director to babysit the most recent coach/director.
...last minute practice changes
...quality of tournaments
...demise of the Dune Dawgs or the 2021 team

If this parent was such a disruptive force why wouldn't the organization get rid of him. Stop it, stop blaming the 1 parent! Tell the truth, the organization did not value that team as it was set up. It was evident to many of the parents (customers)and they wizen up and took their business else where.

Ok but he's still a snake in the grass and unfortunately it will hurt his son down the road

I watched a 91 game and didn't see many coaches on the sideline.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched a 91 game and didn't see many coaches on the sideline.

I watched a 91 game and there were a lot of coaches ..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the LI express down in Philly ?

That bracket was brutal. All very good, VERY physical games.

Some might say thats a good excuse. Only thing, THEY WENT 0 FOR 3

Thought 2019 express schrieber was supposed to be an A team too....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the LI express down in Philly ?

That bracket was brutal. All very good, VERY physical games.

Some might say thats a good excuse. Only thing, THEY WENT 0 FOR 3

Thought 2019 express schrieber was supposed to be an A team too....

Team 2 is a true A team now. They are hard working, high lax IQ players who will be just fine. Excellent defenders, tough hardworking middies, quick attack, tough goalie.

They beat Colorado 3d last week. Schwaljes team lost to them. They crushed 2018s, JV and varsity this weekend.

Give them time. All will work this winter.

See u on the field in Spring.

What are you talking about? They lost all 3 games Saturday, and 2 weren't even close!

Jacks&& :
Before you speak, get your facts straight.
There are two Schreiber Teams now.

That was Schrieber Team 1. Please don't speak on something you have no idea about. Team 2 will continue to work hard and get ready for the spring. No boasting going on about our team. Our boys will be fine.

Thatnis the second half of the team that was branches off. Schreiber is coaching both for now. Schreibers first team did not play Saturday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am pulling a thread from outlaws onto 2019

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow........I don't even see any 2019 Legacy teams......quite surprising and quite a tumble!!

Legacy Commandos was blown up by one of the new Outlaws parents! Enjoy him!

Stop it already, how long do you want to play this game. Why keep it up, many 2019 now 2020 Li lax families know there were other real issues on that team. Stop trying to slander one parent as a scape goat for the demise of that team.

How can one parent be responsible for
...a few players announcing they were never coming back
...a few players threatened to be "kicked off"
...the distain numerous parents had for the direction and nepotism on the team.
...a coaching change and the hiring of a new coach/director to babysit the most recent coach/director.
...last minute practice changes
...quality of tournaments
...demise of the Dune Dawgs or the 2021 team

If this parent was such a disruptive force why wouldn't the organization get rid of him. Stop it, stop blaming the 1 parent! Tell the truth, the organization did not value that team as it was set up. It was evident to many of the parents (customers)and they wizen up and took their business else where.

Ok but he's still a snake in the grass and unfortunately it will hurt his son down the road

The Commandos circa 2012/2013 were a great team. Coached by one of the best men in the game. He cared about his players first and foremost.

The Legacy organization merged with Dunne Dawgs for 2014/2015. The Commandos were assigned the New Director/s and their sons. One family was excommunicated w/ buddy in tow, before the end if the fall season.

Spring 2015 rolled around and the great coach was pushed aside. All saw it. Smithtown players-told not to come back. Top players going to Catholic HS and others fed up and not returning.

Parent Mtg held in late August w/out Zummo. Parents were not buying into playing as 2020's, bringing new players over, etc. Great players were already brought over and instead of taking care if them, playing time was not given.

Listen people, call a spade a spade.

Organization or new director took care of himself and his son.

Ask 2020 Team Taz how happy they are.

New Director 2015/2016 was brought in to babysit.

That is the story. Like it or not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am pulling a thread from outlaws onto 2019

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow........I don't even see any 2019 Legacy teams......quite surprising and quite a tumble!!

Legacy Commandos was blown up by one of the new Outlaws parents! Enjoy him!

Stop it already, how long do you want to play this game. Why keep it up, many 2019 now 2020 Li lax families know there were other real issues on that team. Stop trying to slander one parent as a scape goat for the demise of that team.

How can one parent be responsible for
...a few players announcing they were never coming back
...a few players threatened to be "kicked off"
...the distain numerous parents had for the direction and nepotism on the team.
...a coaching change and the hiring of a new coach/director to babysit the most recent coach/director.
...last minute practice changes
...quality of tournaments
...demise of the Dune Dawgs or the 2021 team

If this parent was such a disruptive force why wouldn't the organization get rid of him. Stop it, stop blaming the 1 parent! Tell the truth, the organization did not value that team as it was set up. It was evident to many of the parents (customers)and they wizen up and took their business else where.

Ok but he's still a snake in the grass and unfortunately it will hurt his son down the road

The Commandos circa 2012/2013 were a great team. Coached by one of the best men in the game. He cared about his players first and foremost.

The Legacy organization merged with Dunne Dawgs for 2014/2015. The Commandos were assigned the New Director/s and their sons. One family was excommunicated w/ buddy in tow, before the end if the fall season.

Spring 2015 rolled around and the great coach was pushed aside. All saw it. Smithtown players-told not to come back. Top players going to Catholic HS and others fed up and not returning.

Parent Mtg held in late August w/out Zummo. Parents were not buying into playing as 2020's, bringing new players over, etc. Great players were already brought over and instead of taking care if them, playing time was not given.

Listen people, call a spade a spade.

Organization or new director took care of himself and his son.

Ask 2020 Team Taz how happy they are.

New Director 2015/2016 was brought in to babysit.

That is the story. Like it or not.

The parent/ director was the downfall of the team. His son now plays down on 2020 Taz, many not too happy about that!

The great coach who showed up late to the tournaments cause he couldn't remember how he got back to his room?? That coach??
Or the same guy who fell in a water fountain in California. Great roll model!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah look at who express north beat Canadians , crabs and sweet lax.in previous tournaments .Had coaches at every game. They play equal time to. Oh and they win .

Express North is the best 2019 team I've seen play this Fall. No ball hogs, all hard working players who play as a team and win as a unit. Coaches want to see players who can win in a team environment. Fact. Let's all take a page form their playbook and start playing as a team not a bunch of showcase attention seekers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the LI express down in Philly ?

That bracket was brutal. All very good, VERY physical games.

Some might say thats a good excuse. Only thing, THEY WENT 0 FOR 3

Isn't HHH a town team? Did the top team lose to a town team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the LI express down in Philly ?

That bracket was brutal. All very good, VERY physical games.

Some might say thats a good excuse. Only thing, THEY WENT 0 FOR 3

Isn't HHH a town team? Did the top team lose to a town team?

What does HHH stand for?

My son is a 2020 and he is thinking about trying our for the Brine National Lacrosse Academy. Did anyone do this last year, and if so, any feedback? Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the LI express down in Philly ?

That bracket was brutal. All very good, VERY physical games.

Some might say thats a good excuse. Only thing, THEY WENT 0 FOR 3

Isn't HHH a town team? Did the top team lose to a town team?

What does HHH stand for?

Head Heart Hustle... Have your team play HHH and then tell me if you think they are a town team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That was Schrieber Team 1. Please don't speak on something you have no idea about. Team 2 will continue to work hard and get ready for the spring. No boasting going on about our team. Our boys will be fine.

Was Schreiber 1 or 2 at Farmingdale?

the tryout process although cold had some good competition - if you have the $$ and time it is a good experience. If you make it to the 2nd round, games are really good. Are politics involved, maybe who knows, if you go in with a who cares attitude your son will get something out of it. Hard play by many top players. if you go to Richmond kids loved it as an experience with the other LI boys bonding as a team. gets your kids coached by some good coaches and they can make a friend from their.

if you are not on a top 5 team in the country, could be your first exposure to college coaches on a first hand basis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah look at who express north beat Canadians , crabs and sweet lax.in previous tournaments .Had coaches at every game. They play equal time to. Oh and they win .

Express North is the best 2019 team I've seen play this Fall. No ball hogs, all hard working players who play as a team and win as a unit. Coaches want to see players who can win in a team environment. Fact. Let's all take a page form their playbook and start playing as a team not a bunch of showcase attention seekers.

I'm sure we'll see their players start committing soon.

Just saw names of some of the kids they say "Dazzled" at the Philly showcase .My son played against some of these names and I hope some of these kids were impressive in their other games because the game I was at they didn't do much. Even these writers seem to be politically motivated. what a joke some of the things written. I'm sure most kids are outstanding but to read this stuff it should be in the comic section. Half the kids are mentioned every time or they leave the name out one showcase and then put it in the next.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the LI express down in Philly ?

That bracket was brutal. All very good, VERY physical games.

Some might say thats a good excuse. Only thing, THEY WENT 0 FOR 3

Isn't HHH a town team? Did the top team lose to a town team?

no, Big4 HHH is a pretty damn good club team in PA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw names of some of the kids they say "Dazzled" at the Philly showcase .My son played against some of these names and I hope some of these kids were impressive in their other games because the game I was at they didn't do much. Even these writers seem to be politically motivated. what a joke some of the things written. I'm sure most kids are outstanding but to read this stuff it should be in the comic section. Half the kids are mentioned every time or they leave the name out one showcase and then put it in the next.

I have an older kid whose class and what you wrote is correct. Those blurbs are usually written before the games are played and are often just scribed straight from club coaches trying to market kids. Soon enough the spoilage of early recruiting will play out. My oldest is a junior at an ACC program and he said to me just this past weekend how unimpressed he was with the 2016 recruits after fall ball. Two star players and then all bench players. The market will adapt. Encourage your son to keep playing and keep playing well. It eventually comes around. BTW, I think you'd be shocked at how much the sentiments have turned against the lacrosse recruiting media pair of guys...with some college coaches. Right now it is a real struggle to filter and evaluate the avalanche of kids who all want to play college lacrosse, and the guys trying to do it have been burned quite a bit already by the club hypsters and the media guys they use to get their kids placed. One of the reasons it has reached comic book proportions is the same 20 somethings who play in the MLL or NLL are either club coaches or college assistants to make money. So the mutual reliances have led to some misleading data and to disastrous results. Consider that my son plays at an ACC school that is very much in the NCAA mix, and they are stuck with 9 kids in their freshman class who can't even hang in practice to give the first line a good run. It will correct itself sooner rather than later.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw names of some of the kids they say "Dazzled" at the Philly showcase .My son played against some of these names and I hope some of these kids were impressive in their other games because the game I was at they didn't do much. Even these writers seem to be politically motivated. what a joke some of the things written. I'm sure most kids are outstanding but to read this stuff it should be in the comic section. Half the kids are mentioned every time or they leave the name out one showcase and then put it in the next.

I have an older kid whose class and what you wrote is correct. Those blurbs are usually written before the games are played and are often just scribed straight from club coaches trying to market kids. Soon enough the spoilage of early recruiting will play out. My oldest is a junior at an ACC program and he said to me just this past weekend how unimpressed he was with the 2016 recruits after fall ball. Two star players and then all bench players. The market will adapt. Encourage your son to keep playing and keep playing well. It eventually comes around. BTW, I think you'd be shocked at how much the sentiments have turned against the lacrosse recruiting media pair of guys...with some college coaches. Right now it is a real struggle to filter and evaluate the avalanche of kids who all want to play college lacrosse, and the guys trying to do it have been burned quite a bit already by the club hypsters and the media guys they use to get their kids placed. One of the reasons it has reached comic book proportions is the same 20 somethings who play in the MLL or NLL are either club coaches or college assistants to make money. So the mutual reliances have led to some misleading data and to disastrous results. Consider that my son plays at an ACC school that is very much in the NCAA mix, and they are stuck with 9 kids in their freshman class who can't even hang in practice to give the first line a good run. It will correct itself sooner rather than later.

100% false statement, and I'm a guy who despises early recruiting and thinks the Ty Xanders of the world carry too much weight.

You're obviously either a club guy or a defensive parent. Fact: 2016s who just finished fall ball were one very heralded class on my son's team. Coaches are numb over how many of them just can't play. Nearly all of this class committed either summer before 10th grade or at latest early 10th grade. The outcomes were a DISASTER. Expect a lot of coaches seeking to counsel kids to decommit by way of telling them where they stand as HS seniors. Coaches can always go recruit more and fix mistakes, and that is what they are starting to do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw names of some of the kids they say "Dazzled" at the Philly showcase .My son played against some of these names and I hope some of these kids were impressive in their other games because the game I was at they didn't do much. Even these writers seem to be politically motivated. what a joke some of the things written. I'm sure most kids are outstanding but to read this stuff it should be in the comic section. Half the kids are mentioned every time or they leave the name out one showcase and then put it in the next.

I have an older kid whose class and what you wrote is correct. Those blurbs are usually written before the games are played and are often just scribed straight from club coaches trying to market kids. Soon enough the spoilage of early recruiting will play out. My oldest is a junior at an ACC program and he said to me just this past weekend how unimpressed he was with the 2016 recruits after fall ball. Two star players and then all bench players. The market will adapt. Encourage your son to keep playing and keep playing well. It eventually comes around. BTW, I think you'd be shocked at how much the sentiments have turned against the lacrosse recruiting media pair of guys...with some college coaches. Right now it is a real struggle to filter and evaluate the avalanche of kids who all want to play college lacrosse, and the guys trying to do it have been burned quite a bit already by the club hypsters and the media guys they use to get their kids placed. One of the reasons it has reached comic book proportions is the same 20 somethings who play in the MLL or NLL are either club coaches or college assistants to make money. So the mutual reliances have led to some misleading data and to disastrous results. Consider that my son plays at an ACC school that is very much in the NCAA mix, and they are stuck with 9 kids in their freshman class who can't even hang in practice to give the first line a good run. It will correct itself sooner rather than later.

100% false statement, and I'm a guy who despises early recruiting and thinks the Ty Xanders of the world carry too much weight.

So what is the false statement then?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You're obviously either a club guy or a defensive parent. Fact: 2016s who just finished fall ball were one very heralded class on my son's team. Coaches are numb over how many of them just can't play. Nearly all of this class committed either summer before 10th grade or at latest early 10th grade. The outcomes were a DISASTER. Expect a lot of coaches seeking to counsel kids to decommit by way of telling them where they stand as HS seniors. Coaches can always go recruit more and fix mistakes, and that is what they are starting to do.

I think the smaller D1 schools will actually do well over the next few years because of this..They have and will end up with kids who fell thru the cracks for the wrong reasons and are better then a lot of the early commits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw names of some of the kids they say "Dazzled" at the Philly showcase .My son played against some of these names and I hope some of these kids were impressive in their other games because the game I was at they didn't do much. Even these writers seem to be politically motivated. what a joke some of the things written. I'm sure most kids are outstanding but to read this stuff it should be in the comic section. Half the kids are mentioned every time or they leave the name out one showcase and then put it in the next.

I have an older kid whose class and what you wrote is correct. Those blurbs are usually written before the games are played and are often just scribed straight from club coaches trying to market kids. Soon enough the spoilage of early recruiting will play out. My oldest is a junior at an ACC program and he said to me just this past weekend how unimpressed he was with the 2016 recruits after fall ball. Two star players and then all bench players. The market will adapt. Encourage your son to keep playing and keep playing well. It eventually comes around. BTW, I think you'd be shocked at how much the sentiments have turned against the lacrosse recruiting media pair of guys...with some college coaches. Right now it is a real struggle to filter and evaluate the avalanche of kids who all want to play college lacrosse, and the guys trying to do it have been burned quite a bit already by the club hypsters and the media guys they use to get their kids placed. One of the reasons it has reached comic book proportions is the same 20 somethings who play in the MLL or NLL are either club coaches or college assistants to make money. So the mutual reliances have led to some misleading data and to disastrous results. Consider that my son plays at an ACC school that is very much in the NCAA mix, and they are stuck with 9 kids in their freshman class who can't even hang in practice to give the first line a good run. It will correct itself sooner rather than later.

100% false statement, and I'm a guy who despises early recruiting and thinks the Ty Xanders of the world carry too much weight.

So what is the false statement then?

That the blurbs are written before the event and ghost written by club coaches. That is pure fabrication.

Sorry, we played Laxachusetts and were outclassed and outsized......They were strong and talented!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw names of some of the kids they say "Dazzled" at the Philly showcase .My son played against some of these names and I hope some of these kids were impressive in their other games because the game I was at they didn't do much. Even these writers seem to be politically motivated. what a joke some of the things written. I'm sure most kids are outstanding but to read this stuff it should be in the comic section. Half the kids are mentioned every time or they leave the name out one showcase and then put it in the next.

I thought it was interesting that NONE of the kids on Edge got mentioned from the Sunday Philly tourney even though that team went 3-0, and their closest game was a 3 point win over Eclipse (they also smoked Patriot and Madlax by 6 or 7). They had a few studs, between the two twins (G and the A who was built like a keg but finished like a beast), a few strong mids and a big poles. But i guess since Cormier wasnt there, the others didnt warrant any kudos??

I will say the did get some of it right. The A from Colo they gave the MVP on Sat was pretty lights out that whole day, and the laxachusetts kids who got mentioned were well deserved. The twins from GA were dominant on Sat in the showcase, but a bit less so once they got into more of a team game on Sunday. But they are HUGE and athletic.

The lacrosse marketing media is funding and run by the club programs, yes I said funded. Much like the old Soviet Propaganda days. I hope this isn't news to any of my Comrades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry, we played Laxachusetts and were outclassed and outsized......They were strong and talented!

...and older...I spoke with one parent who mentioned all the turnover from last years club...lots of 2018s who got cut last year, now on that team (odd reclass time?)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry, we played Laxachusetts and were outclassed and outsized......They were strong and talented!

Who played them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw names of some of the kids they say "Dazzled" at the Philly showcase .My son played against some of these names and I hope some of these kids were impressive in their other games because the game I was at they didn't do much. Even these writers seem to be politically motivated. what a joke some of the things written. I'm sure most kids are outstanding but to read this stuff it should be in the comic section. Half the kids are mentioned every time or they leave the name out one showcase and then put it in the next.

I thought it was interesting that NONE of the kids on Edge got mentioned from the Sunday Philly tourney even though that team went 3-0, and their closest game was a 3 point win over Eclipse (they also smoked Patriot and Madlax by 6 or 7). They had a few studs, between the two twins (G and the A who was built like a keg but finished like a beast), a few strong mids and a big poles. But i guess since Cormier wasnt there, the others didnt warrant any kudos??

I will say the did get some of it right. The A from Colo they gave the MVP on Sat was pretty lights out that whole day, and the laxachusetts kids who got mentioned were well deserved. The twins from GA were dominant on Sat in the showcase, but a bit less so once they got into more of a team game on Sunday. But they are HUGE and athletic.

There were kids on teams that won a few games or just one or none that are also very good players but don't get mentioned.. All the top kids aren't on just 4 or 5 teams they
keep mentioning. Colleges will get burnt if they follow these leads only. I think in the end they are smarter then that. best kids will shine whether they have a certain helmet or not. I would rather my kid play on team that competes evenly with their competition instead of blowing teams out. Imagine playing goalie on a top team but hardly getting any shots on you..it becomes a waste of time for them.same for defense on a top scoring team..you could play defense from the sidelines in some of these games

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw names of some of the kids they say "Dazzled" at the Philly showcase .My son played against some of these names and I hope some of these kids were impressive in their other games because the game I was at they didn't do much. Even these writers seem to be politically motivated. what a joke some of the things written. I'm sure most kids are outstanding but to read this stuff it should be in the comic section. Half the kids are mentioned every time or they leave the name out one showcase and then put it in the next.

I thought it was interesting that NONE of the kids on Edge got mentioned from the Sunday Philly tourney even though that team went 3-0, and their closest game was a 3 point win over Eclipse (they also smoked Patriot and Madlax by 6 or 7). They had a few studs, between the two twins (G and the A who was built like a keg but finished like a beast), a few strong mids and a big poles. But i guess since Cormier wasnt there, the others didnt warrant any kudos??

I will say the did get some of it right. The A from Colo they gave the MVP on Sat was pretty lights out that whole day, and the laxachusetts kids who got mentioned were well deserved. The twins from GA were dominant on Sat in the showcase, but a bit less so once they got into more of a team game on Sunday. But they are HUGE and athletic.

Edge lost to Express North recently but shouldn't be mentioned as a 2019 team since the entire team is 2018 HS grad year at best. That's why no one mentions their kids.

Just as an FYI to all of you, these rankings and ratings mean absolutely zero. Clubs pay these guys to write up their kids and their teams. College coaches know who to watch and who not to watch based on their conversations with high school and club coaches, not some 25 year old kid who never played the game who started a website so hes now considered an "authority". Of course it goes without saying that the kids on the list are good players and probably deserve to be there anyway but there are so many talented kids out there that arent being recognized because of what helmet they wear and where they come from. If your kid is on the list thats great but if not, dont sweat it, its not representative of anything.

what about the face off battle. What a great event, sure some kids wernt there and one who was played during the day, green helmet, and did really well was noticibly missing for the x event.

Either way class and sportsmanship were displayed, I am sure those boys all know each other pretty well anyway.

On a separate note, would love to know what those that went thought about the ages of the boys. Me I thought 1/3 the kids were 14 the 2/3 16.

Who are the top 2019 teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the top 2019 teams

It doesn't matter who the top teams are anymore..Its about getting your son to the next level.. How he does is all that matters now. Selfish yes but the truth

This past weekend I heard how many teams miraculously got better. These teams also had many boys receiving accolades (warranted or not) but me I couldn't help but think let me look up these kids. I had a sneaky suspicions many were not on age. One in particular. To me it looked as if 2/3 of the players were older. A few in particular stood out not really because of their play but size. they were good don't get me wrong but, just but...

Then vwala... a simple Google shows their original age and my suspicions correct. SMH. remember like coach T said the internet doesn't hide everything

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the top 2019 teams

It doesn't matter who the top teams are anymore..Its about getting your son to the next level.. How he does is all that matters now. Selfish yes but the truth

Agreed, the only reason you should want to know this is if you are playing against a better team.. that is all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry, we played Laxachusetts and were outclassed and outsized......They were strong and talented!

...and older...I spoke with one parent who mentioned all the turnover from last years club...lots of 2018s who got cut last year, now on that team (odd reclass time?)

Turnover and increase in size on that team is amazing. Played them in summer and again this fall--two different teams.
What happened to the other kids? Number of summer starters replaced by obviously older kids.

In no particular order; 91, Edge, Crabs, Laxachussetts, LI Express N., Madlax, LI Express, FCA and at least one team from the HHH/Dukes complex. I don't know enough about NXT, 3d, or WCS to include their teams.

Nuts to leave Steps and Patriot out of that list.
Both have beaten several of the teams listed plus all of the 3D teams, fl$, etc.

In the allstar game I watched an attackman draw a triple team and somehow score with a one-handed shot. His whole dodge took place with his head down and one hand on his stick. The defensemen (and his teammates, 3 of whom were wide open with their sticks up looking for the ball) knew there was no way he was passing. On my Son's team, playing like that would result in a dressing down from the coach and some time on the bench. Ironically, this attackman was heralded in a post game recap. I hope tgat the college coaches see what I see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nuts to leave Steps and Patriot out of that list.
Both have beaten several of the teams listed plus all of the 3D teams, fl$, etc.

Raise your hand if you play for the top tier version of the aforementioned clubs and you have lost to Steps or Patriot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nuts to leave Steps and Patriot out of that list.
Both have beaten several of the teams listed plus all of the 3D teams, fl$, etc.

Raise your hand if you play for the top tier version of the aforementioned clubs and you have lost to Steps or Patriot.

I saw Patriots get crushed in their first game on Sunday in Philadelphia..what team beat them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the tryout process although cold had some good competition - if you have the $$ and time it is a good experience. If you make it to the 2nd round, games are really good. Are politics involved, maybe who knows, if you go in with a who cares attitude your son will get something out of it. Hard play by many top players. if you go to Richmond kids loved it as an experience with the other LI boys bonding as a team. gets your kids coached by some good coaches and they can make a friend from their.

if you are not on a top 5 team in the country, could be your first exposure to college coaches on a first

Thanks so much, that was helpful. I think he will tryout, it sounds like a good experience for him!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nuts to leave Steps and Patriot out of that list.
Both have beaten several of the teams listed plus all of the 3D teams, fl$, etc.

Raise your hand if you play for the top tier version of the aforementioned clubs and you have lost to Steps or Patriot.

I saw them both beat HHH, fl$, 3D two weeks ago. I don't know about last week. I think Patriot beat Schwalje.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nuts to leave Steps and Patriot out of that list.
Both have beaten several of the teams listed plus all of the 3D teams, fl$, etc.

Raise your hand if you play for the top tier version of the aforementioned clubs and you have lost to Steps or Patriot.

I saw them both beat HHH, fl$, 3D two weeks ago. I don't know about last week. I think Patriot beat Schwalje.

Patriot is not in this conversation
Last week, doubled up by Edge, tied Eclipse (who is not close to this convo) and lost by 1 to Madlax who was missing a slew of guys playing elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nuts to leave Steps and Patriot out of that list.
Both have beaten several of the teams listed plus all of the 3D teams, fl$, etc.

Raise your hand if you play for the top tier version of the aforementioned clubs and you have lost to Steps or Patriot.

I saw them both beat HHH, fl$, 3D two weeks ago. I don't know about last week. I think Patriot beat Schwalje.

Patriot is not in this conversation
Last week, doubled up by Edge, tied Eclipse (who is not close to this convo) and lost by 1 to Madlax who was missing a slew of guys playing elsewhere.

Patriots were dominated by Express North as well. Off the list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nuts to leave Steps and Patriot out of that list.
Both have beaten several of the teams listed plus all of the 3D teams, fl$, etc.

Raise your hand if you play for the top tier version of the aforementioned clubs and you have lost to Steps or Patriot.

I saw them both beat HHH, fl$, 3D two weeks ago. I don't know about last week. I think Patriot beat Schwalje.

Patriot is not in this conversation
Last week, doubled up by Edge, tied Eclipse (who is not close to this convo) and lost by 1 to Madlax who was missing a slew of guys playing elsewhere.

I thought so...you can't lose to top teams by 7or 8 goals and think you are very good ..I can see losing by 3-5 goals because you try to make a comeback and things get a little out of control..but that's it .

Just read the Philly show case review. Sounds the same as the other ones, just plugging in a few more names and going back to old ones mentioned earlier in the fall.very funny.whoever said comical had it right. Starting to think if I have the guy $100 how good he could have made my son look..just joking but probably not far off

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just read the Philly show case review. Sounds the same as the other ones, just plugging in a few more names and going back to old ones mentioned earlier in the fall.very funny.whoever said comical had it right. Starting to think if I have the guy $100 how good he could have made my son look..just joking but probably not far off

I think it costs more than a $100, and make sure you pay by check so he doesn't lose your kids name in the pile. Noticed an edit to the list with an add-in name. Obviously he missed a payment and had to go back and update.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the tryout process although cold had some good competition - if you have the $$ and time it is a good experience. If you make it to the 2nd round, games are really good. Are politics involved, maybe who knows, if you go in with a who cares attitude your son will get something out of it. Hard play by many top players. if you go to Richmond kids loved it as an experience with the other LI boys bonding as a team. gets your kids coached by some good coaches and they can make a friend from their.

if you are not on a top 5 team in the country, could be your first exposure to college coaches on a first

Thanks so much, that was helpful. I think he will tryout, it sounds like a good experience for him!

Let me second the OP - very fun, well run event.

Can anyone advise , how many 2019 Bluefish teams there are?
Feelings on the organization?
How is top team, if more than one?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone advise , how many 2019 Bluefish teams there are?
Feelings on the organization?
How is top team, if more than one?

They have 2 teams, one is a low A probably, the other is a money making team. If they are asking you to join either team it's because they don't want to turn down the money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In no particular order; 91, Edge, Crabs, Laxachussetts, LI Express N., Madlax, LI Express, FCA and at least one team from the HHH/Dukes complex. I don't know enough about NXT, 3d, or WCS to include their teams.

You left out Sweetlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In no particular order; 91, Edge, Crabs, Laxachussetts, LI Express N., Madlax, LI Express, FCA and at least one team from the HHH/Dukes complex. I don't know enough about NXT, 3d, or WCS to include their teams.

You left out Sweetlax.

Edge is a 2018 team playing in 2019 division, so they are disqualified IMO.

Top 2019 teams: Laxachusets, Sweetlax, LI Express North, Mesa Fresh, Crabs, Dukes/HHH, LI Express, 91.

If I were to rank them: Mesa Fresh, LI Express North, Laxachusetts, FCA, Team 91, Sweetlax, Crabs...... Just based on what I have observed over the last month.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In no particular order; 91, Edge, Crabs, Laxachussetts, LI Express N., Madlax, LI Express, FCA and at least one team from the HHH/Dukes complex. I don't know enough about NXT, 3d, or WCS to include their teams.

You left out Sweetlax.

Edge is a 2018 team playing in 2019 division, so they are disqualified IMO.

Top 2019 teams: Laxachusets, Sweetlax, LI Express North, Mesa Fresh, Crabs, Dukes/HHH, LI Express, 91.

If I were to rank them: Mesa Fresh, LI Express North, Laxachusetts, FCA, Team 91, Sweetlax, Crabs...... Just based on what I have observed over the last month.

Edge 2019 is a 2000 born team (as per their website)

What AGE/YOB are all these other 2019 teams? You compare Edge 2000 team to any of the top teams, you can't tell me there aren't 2000's maybe even late 99's playing, some of these kids are huge and physically developed. Edge is clear about their age based teams, i don't think the same could be said for others.

Bottom line, recruiters/tournaments seem to have no issues, so there shouldn't be any. Their kids are eligible for 2019 recruitment and enrolment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In no particular order; 91, Edge, Crabs, Laxachussetts, LI Express N., Madlax, LI Express, FCA and at least one team from the HHH/Dukes complex. I don't know enough about NXT, 3d, or WCS to include their teams.

You left out Sweetlax.

Edge is a 2018 team playing in 2019 division, so they are disqualified IMO.

Top 2019 teams: Laxachusets, Sweetlax, LI Express North, Mesa Fresh, Crabs, Dukes/HHH, LI Express, 91.

If I were to rank them: Mesa Fresh, LI Express North, Laxachusetts, FCA, Team 91, Sweetlax, Crabs...... Just based on what I have observed over the last month.

Edge 2019 is a 2000 born team (as per their website)

What AGE/YOB are all these other 2019 teams? You compare Edge 2000 team to any of the top teams, you can't tell me there aren't 2000's maybe even late 99's playing, some of these kids are huge and physically developed. Edge is clear about their age based teams, i don't think the same could be said for others.

Bottom line, recruiters/tournaments seem to have no issues, so there shouldn't be any. Their kids are eligible for 2019 recruitment and enrolment.

Has Mesa Fresh beaten any of the other top teams, ever?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In no particular order; 91, Edge, Crabs, Laxachussetts, LI Express N., Madlax, LI Express, FCA and at least one team from the HHH/Dukes complex. I don't know enough about NXT, 3d, or WCS to include their teams.

You left out Sweetlax.

Edge is a 2018 team playing in 2019 division, so they are disqualified IMO.

Top 2019 teams: Laxachusets, Sweetlax, LI Express North, Mesa Fresh, Crabs, Dukes/HHH, LI Express, 91.

If I were to rank them: Mesa Fresh, LI Express North, Laxachusetts, FCA, Team 91, Sweetlax, Crabs...... Just based on what I have observed over the last month.

Edge 2019 is a 2000 born team (as per their website)

What AGE/YOB are all these other 2019 teams? You compare Edge 2000 team to any of the top teams, you can't tell me there aren't 2000's maybe even late 99's playing, some of these kids are huge and physically developed. Edge is clear about their age based teams, i don't think the same could be said for others.

Bottom line, recruiters/tournaments seem to have no issues, so there shouldn't be any. Their kids are eligible for 2019 recruitment and enrolment.

Things are evening out for Edge and the rest of the teams with a lot of pre 9/2000 birthdays. There are 10 really good 2019 teams that will all give one another great games in the next 3 years. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Things are evening out for Edge and the rest of the teams with a lot of pre 9/2000 birthdays. There are 10 really good 2019 teams that will all give one another great games in the next 3 years. Enjoy it while it lasts. [/quote]

I agree, I think there are a number of teams at 2019 that are all quality teams and are great competition for each other, provide great evaluation opportunities for coaches and brings out the best in the players.

Rankings from a club team perspective where it's usually only based on tournament play is difficult. If they played in a league, it would obviously be easier to rank and clearly determine the best from the worst.

Hawks beat LI Express North by 5 goals at Terrapin Classic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks beat LI Express North by 5 goals at Terrapin Classic.

That's why this whole thing is a joke and doesn't matter. It's about your son and how he plays with any team he's on. As long as he plays in the team concept and plays well he will be fine. Enough with my team is better then your team. Coaches don't care. Just play against good competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In no particular order; 91, Edge, Crabs, Laxachussetts, LI Express N., Madlax, LI Express, FCA and at least one team from the HHH/Dukes complex. I don't know enough about NXT, 3d, or WCS to include their teams.

You left out Sweetlax.

Who have they beaten recently?

Express

Sweetlax 2019 is a strong team. Have seen them at summer and fall events and have great athletes. High skill and have a number of D1 verbal. (I believe 7 at least)

Mesa?

Madlax 2019 is the best in the country. Period. Nobody is even on the same level as our guys. If you can't handle the truth, go home and be a hater.

Best club, best 2019 team. PERIOD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sweetlax 2019 is a strong team. Have seen them at summer and fall events and have great athletes. High skill and have a number of D1 verbal. (I believe 7 at least)

They have 9, probably more than any other club.

Hey Madlax U beat north by 3 when they had 4 middies in summer Since it's thanksgiving. Go stuff yourself

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Madlax U beat north by 3 when they had 4 middies in summer Since it's thanksgiving. Go stuff yourself

Can someone translate this? The epitome of a Long Island education, I guess.

Like I said, Madlax 2019 owns everyone.

Edge 2019 is a group of Sophmores that have verbally committed to a PG
year so they play a 2019 schedule. Fact as quoted by their director.
That's a fact and complete BS that they get away with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Madlax U beat north by 3 when they had 4 middies in summer Since it's thanksgiving. Go stuff yourself

Can someone translate this? The epitome of a Long Island education, I guess.

Like I said, Madlax 2019 owns everyone.

LI Express North beat Madlax.

U are probably like your son Madlax u know left back a year or two. Back of your mind saying what's gonna happen in 2 years when it all evens out tick tick tick. Dady why I am not playing. Can u hold me back again

Wow so many losers on one field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge 2019 is a group of Sophmores that have verbally committed to a PG
year so they play a 2019 schedule. Fact as quoted by their director.
That's a fact and complete BS that they get away with it.

Thats sad and ridiculous all at once

Daddy please hold me back 2 more years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Madlax U beat north by 3 when they had 4 middies in summer Since it's thanksgiving. Go stuff yourself

Can someone translate this? The epitome of a Long Island education, I guess.

Like I said, Madlax 2019 owns everyone.

LI Express North beat Madlax.

The Giants had a miracle win against a superior Patriots team. It happens.

We've beaten everyone and we are the #1 club in the country. We have multiple kids going to Hopkins and this is what happens when you beat everyone - people take shots.

Deal. With. It.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U are probably like your son Madlax u know left back a year or two. Back of your mind saying what's gonna happen in 2 years when it all evens out tick tick tick. Dady why I am not playing. Can u hold me back again

Looks like you might have to repeat 8th grade English. I don't understand a word you just wrote.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Madlax U beat north by 3 when they had 4 middies in summer Since it's thanksgiving. Go stuff yourself

Can someone translate this? The epitome of a Long Island education, I guess.

Like I said, Madlax 2019 owns everyone.

LI Express North beat Madlax.

The Giants had a miracle win against a superior Patriots team. It happens.

We've beaten everyone and we are the #1 club in the country. We have multiple kids going to Hopkins and this is what happens when you beat everyone - people take shots.

Deal. With. It.

You sound like a huge loser. "We've" beaten everyone? Are you on the team? Or, are you just living through your son? Get a life, loser...any of you guys who analyze these teams, and who beat who, by how many goals, and which kids were missing....unbelievable...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Madlax U beat north by 3 when they had 4 middies in summer Since it's thanksgiving. Go stuff yourself

Can someone translate this? The epitome of a Long Island education, I guess.

Like I said, Madlax 2019 owns everyone.

LI Express North beat Madlax.

The Giants had a miracle win against a superior Patriots team. It happens.

We've beaten everyone and we are the #1 club in the country. We have multiple kids going to Hopkins and this is what happens when you beat everyone - people take shots.

Deal. With. It.

You sound like a huge loser. "We've" beaten everyone? Are you on the team? Or, are you just living through your son? Get a life, loser...any of you guys who analyze these teams, and who beat who, by how many goals, and which kids were missing....unbelievable...

Didn't Madlax get beat by Edge this past weekend in Philly? Madlax is a very strong team, I don't think many people will dispute that. But to claim you are the best and the rest of us should just deal with it it ridiculous. Edge beat Madlax, express north beat Edge - does that make express north the best team? No, while a very strong team, I think any of these top 5 teams can be each other on any given day.

How does 91 orange measure up the Madlax?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Madlax U beat north by 3 when they had 4 middies in summer Since it's thanksgiving. Go stuff yourself

Can someone translate this? The epitome of a Long Island education, I guess.

Like I said, Madlax 2019 owns everyone.

LI Express North beat Madlax.

The Giants had a miracle win against a superior Patriots team. It happens.

We've beaten everyone and we are the #1 club in the country. We have multiple kids going to Hopkins and this is what happens when you beat everyone - people take shots.

Deal. With. It.

You sound like a huge loser. "We've" beaten everyone? Are you on the team? Or, are you just living through your son? Get a life, loser...any of you guys who analyze these teams, and who beat who, by how many goals, and which kids were missing....unbelievable...

Didn't Madlax get beat by Edge this past weekend in Philly? Madlax is a very strong team, I don't think many people will dispute that. But to claim you are the best and the rest of us should just deal with it it ridiculous. Edge beat Madlax, express north beat Edge - does that make express north the best team? No, while a very strong team, I think any of these top 5 teams can be each other on any given day.

And if you lose to these teams by 1-3 goals does that make you a second tier team ..No..I think there are 10 teams that can beat anyone on any day.

Yawn. We've beaten everyone on the field and these responses are as weak as your pitiful arm tats.

Madlax 2019 owns the entire country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yawn. We've beaten everyone on the field and these responses are as weak as your pitiful arm tats.

Madlax 2019 owns the entire country.

You lost to Sweetlax two weekends ago.

Madlax pumper is a kid granted he's been held back 2 years still a kid don't engage By the way u won't play in college. Remember deep down u know it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yawn. We've beaten everyone on the field and these responses are as weak as your pitiful arm tats.

Madlax 2019 owns the entire country.

You lost to Sweetlax two weekends ago.

You guys all need a life!!!

can you nit wits not tell this jamoke is trying to get you riled up?? the bottom line is these guys are all playing for themselves, the team concept is a just a memory, and wins and losses are really secondary. not gonna be near as much fun to watch for people into trophies and playing to win. just not the point really..

Still find it funny that one of the express teams at this age has around 35 kids on their roster . If it's true how pathetic can these parents be. Stop sucking up so there is a chance your kid can play in high school..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still find it funny that one of the express teams at this age has around 35 kids on their roster . If it's true how pathetic can these parents be. Stop sucking up so there is a chance your kid can play in high school..

It is pathetic. Now that these kids hit 9th grade the parents go crazy, when most of them are worrying at least a year earlier than they should be. They start running to get on teams that they think will give their kids a better chance of getting recruited. Meanwhile, with 35 kids they're actually wasting a year!

Guys you are making yourselves look silly. If you read this thread, you'll realize that they had 2 different teams for their last two tournaments.. We get it.You don't like express. Maybe the parents just didn't want to affiliate with another program. I for one didnt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still find it funny that one of the express teams at this age has around 35 kids on their roster . If it's true how pathetic can these parents be. Stop sucking up so there is a chance your kid can play in high school..

It is pathetic. Now that these kids hit 9th grade the parents go crazy, when most of them are worrying at least a year earlier than they should be. They start running to get on teams that they think will give their kids a better chance of getting recruited. Meanwhile, with 35 kids they're actually wasting a year!

I

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guys you are making yourselves look silly. If you read this thread, you'll realize that they had 2 different teams for their last two tournaments.. We get it.You don't like express. Maybe the parents just didn't want to affiliate with another program. I for one didnt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still find it funny that one of the express teams at this age has around 35 kids on their roster . If it's true how pathetic can these parents be. Stop sucking up so there is a chance your kid can play in high school..

It is pathetic. Now that these kids hit 9th grade the parents go crazy, when most of them are worrying at least a year earlier than they should be. They start running to get on teams that they think will give their kids a better chance of getting recruited. Meanwhile, with 35 kids they're actually wasting a year!

When you play express you really have no idea who you're playing. They have a history of playing kids from any of the four 2019 teams on any given day...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guys you are making yourselves look silly. If you read this thread, you'll realize that they had 2 different teams for their last two tournaments.. We get it.You don't like express. Maybe the parents just didn't want to affiliate with another program. I for one didnt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Still find it funny that one of the express teams at this age has around 35 kids on their roster . If it's true how pathetic can these parents be. Stop sucking up so there is a chance your kid can play in high school..

It is pathetic. Now that these kids hit 9th grade the parents go crazy, when most of them are worrying at least a year earlier than they should be. They start running to get on teams that they think will give their kids a better chance of getting recruited. Meanwhile, with 35 kids they're actually wasting a year!

When you play express you really have no idea who you're playing. They have a history of playing kids from any of the four 2019 teams on any given day...[/quote

Not true at all.It looks like they're not about winning.Their problem is they don't put the best players on their top team. But, they must know that. This year it appears they don't mind losing time and time again. Most people can figure out why.

Madlax 2029 dominates Long Island. FACT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2029 dominates Long Island. FACT.

yea ...Madlax is the best always and forever!!!!!!..Yeah

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2029 dominates Long Island. FACT.

yea ...Madlax is the best always and forever!!!!!!..Yeah

I heard that too! 2029 a pound mad lox... Awesome on a bagel with cream cheese !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still find it funny that one of the express teams at this age has around 35 kids on their roster . If it's true how pathetic can these parents be. Stop sucking up so there is a chance your kid can play in high school..

It is pathetic. Now that these kids hit 9th grade the parents go crazy, when most of them are worrying at least a year earlier than they should be. They start running to get on teams that they think will give their kids a better chance of getting recruited. Meanwhile, with 35 kids they're actually wasting a year!

We pulled our 2017 kid from Express (after playing for them since his 4th grade year) for that very reason. He was on an Express team in his 8th grade year that would suddenly have random extra kids each tournament. Some were from other Express teams, some were individuals recruited by the coach, some were from YOUNGER Express teams....and the practice and scrimmage schedule was given to us one week at a time so there was no way to plan ahead for anything except lacrosse. Our son then tried out for another travel team the following year (when he was in 9th grade) and the program was a better fit for him as a player and for us as parents. We always got along great with Express parents and players and there wasn't any animosity with them when we switched. We still hang out with most of them and love to see them on the sidelines, no matter who is winning or losing. The coach, however, has refused to speak to us since we left. Won't even say hello in passing at tournaments. Anyway, it would have been a big waste of time and money to stay. Looking back, it was the best decision and we have no regrets. The travel coaches are in the BUSINESS of running lacrosse teams. I am in the BUSINESS of spending my money and my family's time wisely.

How wrong is it that Express runs and charges parents for the tryouts and then you accept only to show up to find 20 or so extra kids that never tried out. They are still adding kids to this day.

Yes travel lacrosse is a business and all clubs directors should make money but those who run Express have no conscience

But try not bashing the parents for not knowing how this was prior to accepting the position and right away sending in $800.

If you have a son who still wants to play summer lax as a way to keep playing year round and tryouts are now over, even if I am willing to walk away from the first deposit, are there going to be spots anywhere?! no.

Is it wrong to email clubs asking if they need any players in for certain positions in this age group? or is it wrong after not attending their tryouts?

It seemed that there was three teams in 2019 at first, then realized the third group run by Pomps (who is great guy and coach) was enough for two teams; so now there was four teams. Now the Schriber team going to be two teams as they are adding new players and there you have it 5 teams in 2019!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How wrong is it that Express runs and charges parents for the tryouts and then you accept only to show up to find 20 or so extra kids that never tried out. They are still adding kids to this day.

Yes travel lacrosse is a business and all clubs directors should make money but those who run Express have no conscience

But try not bashing the parents for not knowing how this was prior to accepting the position and right away sending in $800.

If you have a son who still wants to play summer lax as a way to keep playing year round and tryouts are now over, even if I am willing to walk away from the first deposit, are there going to be spots anywhere?! no.

Is it wrong to email clubs asking if they need any players in for certain positions in this age group? or is it wrong after not attending their tryouts?

It seemed that there was three teams in 2019 at first, then realized the third group run by Pomps (who is great guy and coach) was enough for two teams; so now there was four teams. Now the Schriber team going to be two teams as they are adding new players and there you have it 5 teams in 2019!!!!!!

I agree. The parents are told they MUST pay $800 immediately to secure their child's spot on the team. Then the shenanigans start. Players are moved up or down to different teams, other players join your team permanently who weren't at tryouts, other random kids show up at tournaments at the invitation of the coach, teams are blended, additional teams are created, coaches give the coaching responsibility up to college kids at summer tournaments, extra skills drills are "voluntary" throughout fall, winter and spring for $60-80 per lesson with the coaches, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How wrong is it that Express runs and charges parents for the tryouts and then you accept only to show up to find 20 or so extra kids that never tried out. They are still adding kids to this day.

Yes travel lacrosse is a business and all clubs directors should make money but those who run Express have no conscience

But try not bashing the parents for not knowing how this was prior to accepting the position and right away sending in $800.

If you have a son who still wants to play summer lax as a way to keep playing year round and tryouts are now over, even if I am willing to walk away from the first deposit, are there going to be spots anywhere?! no.

Is it wrong to email clubs asking if they need any players in for certain positions in this age group? or is it wrong after not attending their tryouts?

It seemed that there was three teams in 2019 at first, then realized the third group run by Pomps (who is great guy and coach) was enough for two teams; so now there was four teams. Now the Schriber team going to be two teams as they are adding new players and there you have it 5 teams in 2019!!!!!!

I agree. The parents are told they MUST pay $800 immediately to secure their child's spot on the team. Then the shenanigans start. Players are moved up or down to different teams, other players join your team permanently who weren't at tryouts, other random kids show up at tournaments at the invitation of the coach, teams are blended, additional teams are created, coaches give the coaching responsibility up to college kids at summer tournaments, extra skills drills are "voluntary" throughout fall, winter and spring for $60-80 per lesson with the coaches, etc.

Money grab. Why do you think Mike C walks around with a big smile on his face? All of the idiot parents buy into the dream of D1 lacrosse that he's selling.

Said it time and time again. If it is you who have an issue of what was done (because you are on the team) go speak with them. If you are not on the team, who cares what other people do with their money.

How about the parents who think being on express is going to help to get their kids on the high school field. That is even more sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about the parents who think being on express is going to help to get their kids on the high school field. That is even more sad.

The Catholic HS field, even more sad.

I am asking;

With so many talented 2019s going to Express---enough to make 5 teams--
2 very talented-- why doesn't someone form a TURTLES with the best players???

I am not lax savvy, just a thought

That would require work and a desire to build something great. These guys are getting rich even with their laziness.

And one more thing, if they really have 5 teams worth of kids and its part of the story that this gets you access to the Catholics then it seems like they have sold 100 kids for a couple of openings. Looks like this flight is overbooked!!!!

That Schreiber Express team is awful. Got destroyed in Md by Crush. Was not a contest.

Before the split. I've always been a crush supporter. The boys are good, but you parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That Schreiber Express team is awful. Got destroyed in Md by Crush. Was not a contest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And one more thing, if they really have 5 teams worth of kids and its part of the story that this gets you access to the Catholics then it seems like they have sold 100 kids for a couple of openings. Looks like this flight is overbooked!!!!

I hear what you are saying but I think it is a stretch by saying "Overbooked". How many of the boys on Schwalje and Schreiber are going to the catholic schools? I would venture half at most, then out of that, how many are split between Chaminade Kellenburg St Anthonys (throw Doms & SJB in there too) - 50. If SA even gets a good share of them, I don't see it as the over booking you speak off.

Now, since the Schreiber team popped up, I can understand the point ..."My son will attend St Anthony's and wants to play Lacrosse while there..." (if even a marginal player if you want to play at St A's your son is probably playing travel; why not give your son the opportunity to play and be coached by the varsity coach.

Rhetorically speaking:
Why do you have an issue with that, how does that impact you or your family? Why does it bother you what people do with their money, time and children. Now, if you are on the team, that is a different issue; why not take it up privately, no?

But really, who cars what I say; To each their own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And one more thing, if they really have 5 teams worth of kids and its part of the story that this gets you access to the Catholics then it seems like they have sold 100 kids for a couple of openings. Looks like this flight is overbooked!!!!

I hear what you are saying but I think it is a stretch by saying "Overbooked". How many of the boys on Schwalje and Schreiber are going to the catholic schools? I would venture half at most, then out of that, how many are split between Chaminade Kellenburg St Anthonys (throw Doms & SJB in there too) - 50. If SA even gets a good share of them, I don't see it as the over booking you speak off.

Now, since the Schreiber team popped up, I can understand the point ..."My son will attend St Anthony's and wants to play Lacrosse while there..." (if even a marginal player if you want to play at St A's your son is probably playing travel; why not give your son the opportunity to play and be coached by the varsity coach.

Rhetorically speaking:
Why do you have an issue with that, how does that impact you or your family? Why does it bother you what people do with their money, time and children. Now, if you are on the team, that is a different issue; why not take it up privately, no?

But really, who cars what I say; To each their own.

No one cares what any of us think anyway, and the opinions here are not necessarily what we would say in public, so what is true, this or that?

But the issue, is that the Express owners play up the connection and it is misleading to think that playing express gets you on the field at these schools that have 50 openings on varsity each year across the whole set of schools.

1st 2019 commit on 91 Orange going to Penn State

At least half of the players on that team are committed. The schools they are committed to will not allow the information to be divulged until next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least half of the players on that team are committed. The schools they are committed to will not allow the information to be divulged until next year.

I'm going to go ahead and call BS here. 11 D1 teams have confirmed verbals, so at least half the team are committed to schools other than those 11?

Not saying kids from that team don't have offers, but the idea that schools(outside of the ivy league) are hiding 2019 verbals is false.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least half of the players on that team are committed. The schools they are committed to will not allow the information to be divulged until next year.

I didn't think Nassau CC cared about annouoncing commits?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least half of the players on that team are committed. The schools they are committed to will not allow the information to be divulged until next year.

I'm going to go ahead and call BS here. 11 D1 teams have confirmed verbals, so at least half the team are committed to schools other than those 11?

Not saying kids from that team don't have offers, but the idea that schools(outside of the ivy league) are hiding 2019 verbals is false.

-cough....Duke....cough -

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least half of the players on that team are committed. The schools they are committed to will not allow the information to be divulged until next year.

Half?? And they are all hidden?? Lol! Team doesn�t have that many standouts, sorry to tell you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least half of the players on that team are committed. The schools they are committed to will not allow the information to be divulged until next year.

I'm going to go ahead and call BS here. 11 D1 teams have confirmed verbals, so at least half the team are committed to schools other than those 11?

Not saying kids from that team don't have offers, but the idea that schools(outside of the ivy league) are hiding 2019 verbals is false.

-cough....Duke....cough -

So these kids are Verbal verbals..that's a first. I'm sure there is a reason the kid is going to PennState and its nobody else's business..if you grew up on a school your whole life then that's where you go. Most kids have no idea yet what they want to do and nor should they

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least half of the players on that team are committed. The schools they are committed to will not allow the information to be divulged until next year.

Half?? And they are all hidden?? Lol! Team doesn�t have that many standouts, sorry to tell you

Express North only has 1 commit and they have better players. I highly doubt the claim of half the roster is secretly committed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least half of the players on that team are committed. The schools they are committed to will not allow the information to be divulged until next year.

Half?? And they are all hidden?? Lol! Team doesn�t have that many standouts, sorry to tell you

Express North only has 1 commit and they have better players. I highly doubt the claim of half the roster is secretly committed.

LI Express North can't hold 91's jock.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least half of the players on that team are committed. The schools they are committed to will not allow the information to be divulged until next year.

Half?? And they are all hidden?? Lol! Team doesn�t have that many standouts, sorry to tell you

Express North only has 1 commit and they have better players. I highly doubt the claim of half the roster is secretly committed.

LI Express North can't hold 91's jock.

Get with the times, they wear compression shorts these days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least half of the players on that team are committed. The schools they are committed to will not allow the information to be divulged until next year.

Half?? And they are all hidden?? Lol! Team doesn�t have that many standouts, sorry to tell you

Express North only has 1 commit and they have better players. I highly doubt the claim of half the roster is secretly committed.

LI Express North can't hold 91's jock.

Get with the times, they wear compression shorts these days.

Can't hold those either!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least half of the players on that team are committed. The schools they are committed to will not allow the information to be divulged until next year.

Half?? And they are all hidden?? Lol! Team doesn�t have that many standouts, sorry to tell you

Express North only has 1 commit and they have better players. I highly doubt the claim of half the roster is secretly committed.

LI Express North can't hold 91's jock.

Get with the times, they wear compression shorts these days.

Can't hold those either!

Ha ha. Happy to see that you are not one of the crazy parents.

91, MadLax, HHH, FCA, Express North, Laxachusetts, Express, Sweetlax 3D(wherever) and and many others all have talent.

Believe it or not there are kids out there who are better than all of the kids on the top teams.

Be happy that your kid is healthy.

As we approach the Holiday Season I would like everyone to say a prayer for those in need and give thanks for all that we have.

If you are on this thread you more than likely have a healthy 2019 boy. Be thankful, be grateful, be humble, be happy.

By the way , if the 91 kids still wear jocks I will make sure my kid does not hold any of them.

Happy Holidays to all. Happy Chanukah and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

I knew 3 years ago that Penn State was the choice . It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Madlax U beat north by 3 when they had 4 middies in summer Since it's thanksgiving. Go stuff yourself

Can someone translate this? The epitome of a Long Island education, I guess.

Like I said, Madlax 2019 owns everyone.

LI Express North beat Madlax.

They have played each other 4-5 times. Some were close games, but Express North has not beaten Madlax 2019

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Madlax U beat north by 3 when they had 4 middies in summer Since it's thanksgiving. Go stuff yourself

Can someone translate this? The epitome of a Long Island education, I guess.

Like I said, Madlax 2019 owns everyone.

LI Express North beat Madlax.

No one beats Mad lax .. Maybe 1 loss in three years so no one is better

They have played each other 4-5 times. Some were close games, but Express North has not beaten Madlax 2019

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Madlax U beat north by 3 when they had 4 middies in summer Since it's thanksgiving. Go stuff yourself

Can someone translate this? The epitome of a Long Island education, I guess.

Like I said, Madlax 2019 owns everyone.

LI Express North beat Madlax.

No one beats Mad lax .. Maybe 1 loss in three years so no one is better

They have played each other 4-5 times. Some were close games, but Express North has not beaten Madlax 2019

And how many holdbacks, re-classes and should be 2018's or 2017's does Madlax 2019 "own"??? That's the real question.

Is it just me . But I find it odd that a 14 year old boy already knows that he is ready to commit to one of our military academies . While it's a very proud thing for them to do are they really ready to make that decision and are these institutions ready for them?

No it's not odd. So it's odd a 14 yr old commits to Hopkins? Are they ready for him? Academies won't commit anyone till their sohpmore year I bet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it just me . But I find it odd that a 14 year old boy already knows that he is ready to commit to one of our military academies . While it's a very proud thing for them to do are they really ready to make that decision and are these institutions ready for them?

The beauty of it is... you get to make that call for your son... not someone else's.

Why are you asking this? Do you have an axe to grind with someone? Trying to put that kids name out there for some reason? You don't know what drives a certain individual to do that in life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No it's not odd. So it's odd a 14 yr old commits to Hopkins? Are they ready for him? Academies won't commit anyone till their sohpmore year I bet.

You are 100% incorrect. Academies have gotten much more aggressive....they have to.

I know Air Force has. But how many boys want to give them 5 yrs after college? It's not easy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it just me . But I find it odd that a 14 year old boy already knows that he is ready to commit to one of our military academies . While it's a very proud thing for them to do are they really ready to make that decision and are these institutions ready for them?

The beauty of it is... you get to make that call for your son... not someone else's.

I would be more concerned as to why the Academy is making this decision. Is it sports related period or is it the best move for our country. Think about it

NY Times article on a move to limit recruiting before Sept of Junior year in HS.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/08/s...crosse-softball.html?ref=sports&_r=0

I don't think the above poster was being critical of any family.

Surely it's obvious why anyone might think the (admirable) decision to attend a military academy and make a real commitment to put your life at risk serving your country for years afterwards would call for more maturity than whether to early commit to Michigan or UNC, for example (one might rationally choose the latter based on the boy-girl ratio and weather).

I think one could make an argument that the NCAA should restrict ER just for the sake of the academies.

We wouldn't have these discussions if early recruiting wasn't in the picture. Summer of their sohpmore year going into junior year is reasonable. Stop blaming the parents. It's the club teams and the division 1 lax coaches feeding the machine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think the above poster was being critical of any family.

Surely it's obvious why anyone might think the (admirable) decision to attend a military academy and make a real commitment to put your life at risk serving your country for years afterwards would call for more maturity than whether to early commit to Michigan or UNC, for example (one might rationally choose the latter based on the boy-girl ratio and weather).

I think one could make an argument that the NCAA should restrict ER just for the sake of the academies.

Rest assured the young men who commit to the service academies are some of the best young men this country has. Their commitment to their sport, military and country is something most of you posters should emulate. No young man is committing to an academy without a lot of thought and the long application process is designed to weed out those that are not ready for the commitment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We wouldn't have these discussions if early recruiting wasn't in the picture. Summer of their sohpmore year going into junior year is reasonable. Stop blaming the parents. It's the club teams and the division 1 lax coaches feeding the machine.

It falls on the college coaches. College coaches want to watch the best players in the country compete against each other. When they go to a tournament that has the top teams from 91, Express, Laxachussets, Madlax,HHH, Crabs, FCA, Sweetlax etc... they know they will see most of the top kids at one location. Club Directors, Parents, HS Coaches do not drive the process of early recruiting. The college coaches believe that they can identify potential recruits as early as summer going into 9th grade. (maybe even earlier)

Yep your 100% right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep your 100% right.

As a 9th grader just pray the coach will be there in 5 years ..only top 5 or 6 most likely will ..can't say in 8th grade you are going because of the school and the academics they are offering in your sons major..so you will most likely be scrambling for another college in 2-3 years ..I see now some people say they are commiting to the process verbally . Is that the new way of putting it or is it all window dressing in case the kid doesn't have the grades or the school or he backs out???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep your 100% right.

As a 9th grader just pray the coach will be there in 5 years ..only top 5 or 6 most likely will ..can't say in 8th grade you are going because of the school and the academics they are offering in your sons major..so you will most likely be scrambling for another college in 2-3 years ..I see now some people say they are commiting to the process verbally . Is that the new way of putting it or is it all window dressing in case the kid doesn't have the grades or the school or he backs out???

Players who commit to an Ivy commit to "the admissions process". The player, parents and coach all know that if the student/athlete does not attain the required grades admission to the school will not be granted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We wouldn't have these discussions if early recruiting wasn't in the picture. Summer of their sohpmore year going into junior year is reasonable. Stop blaming the parents. It's the club teams and the division 1 lax coaches feeding the machine.

As a parent and NOT a club/college coach, i can tell you from an fairly unbiased perspective that blaming only the coaches is completely untrue. Many a college coach has had 8th grade kids and their parents show up in the lax office during the school year (i.e. before they are even into the summer before frosh yr) asking to talk to the coach, saying they want to consider committing to XXXX college.

At one of the top D3 programs (top both athletically and academically), last fall a group of 4 8th grade kids and their parents walked into the head coach's office asking about recruiting. Coach said it was all he could do to not tell the parents they were frikkin crazy, but instead nicely told them they didnt really start to evaluate kids until summer before Jr Yr. This was driven 100% by parents, as this school never has any commits until rising Jr summer, and any knowledgeable club coach would know that was the case.

While it is true that the root of much of the ER insanity is the coaches being willing to even consider rising Frosh (even if they are 15-16 yo), to not put some of the blame on the parents is being naive. Not that, given the recruiting landscape right now, the parents arent making rational decisions to pursue the gold ring as a Frosh.........if your kid is a stud (or a summer birthday holdback, and then also reclassed when he transferred to brunswick/Choate/ St. XXXXX), is 5'11+ in 8th grade, can shoot on the run, and has pretty good grades, but not good enough to get into a UMich/UVa/ND/JHU on grades alone, then maybe its not crazy. Why not spend 8 weekends during the summer-before and fall-of his Frosh yr to see if you can get him a free, semi-binding option to attend a great school like UMich/UVa/ND/JHU (that he probably wouldn't ever get to sniff at otherwise) simply because he can beat a bunch of year-younger middies off a split dodge........As a parent of a HS Sr (non athlete) who has a 3.8 and 32 ACT but is still probably not getting an acceptance from a UMich/UVa/ND/JHU, having a semi-binding option on one of them maybe isnt the worse thing in the world.

Now, the real head scratchers are the early commits to [insert second-tier D1 school of your choice that any student with a 3.0 and 26 ACT can get in to]. I guess if your son's goal in life is to be a D1 lax player, then knock yourself out.....I just hope its not actually just the parent's goal to be able to claim their son is committed to d1, otherwise its going to be a long 4 years for him in [insert crappy small city name here], and a tough few years living at home after college while in the Enterprise training program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We wouldn't have these discussions if early recruiting wasn't in the picture. Summer of their sohpmore year going into junior year is reasonable. Stop blaming the parents. It's the club teams and the division 1 lax coaches feeding the machine.

As a parent and NOT a club/college coach, i can tell you from an fairly unbiased perspective that blaming only the coaches is completely untrue. Many a college coach has had 8th grade kids and their parents show up in the lax office during the school year (i.e. before they are even into the summer before frosh yr) asking to talk to the coach, saying they want to consider committing to XXXX college.

At one of the top D3 programs (top both athletically and academically), last fall a group of 4 8th grade kids and their parents walked into the head coach's office asking about recruiting. Coach said it was all he could do to not tell the parents they were frikkin crazy, but instead nicely told them they didnt really start to evaluate kids until summer before Jr Yr. This was driven 100% by parents, as this school never has any commits until rising Jr summer, and any knowledgeable club coach would know that was the case.

While it is true that the root of much of the ER insanity is the coaches being willing to even consider rising Frosh (even if they are 15-16 yo), to not put some of the blame on the parents is being naive. Not that, given the recruiting landscape right now, the parents arent making rational decisions to pursue the gold ring as a Frosh.........if your kid is a stud (or a summer birthday holdback, and then also reclassed when he transferred to brunswick/Choate/ St. XXXXX), is 5'11+ in 8th grade, can shoot on the run, and has pretty good grades, but not good enough to get into a UMich/UVa/ND/JHU on grades alone, then maybe its not crazy. Why not spend 8 weekends during the summer-before and fall-of his Frosh yr to see if you can get him a free, semi-binding option to attend a great school like UMich/UVa/ND/JHU (that he probably wouldn't ever get to sniff at otherwise) simply because he can beat a bunch of year-younger middies off a split dodge........As a parent of a HS Sr (non athlete) who has a 3.8 and 32 ACT but is still probably not getting an acceptance from a UMich/UVa/ND/JHU, having a semi-binding option on one of them maybe isnt the worse thing in the world.

Now, the real head scratchers are the early commits to [insert second-tier D1 school of your choice that any student with a 3.0 and 26 ACT can get in to]. I guess if your son's goal in life is to be a D1 lax player, then knock yourself out.....I just hope its not actually just the parent's goal to be able to claim their son is committed to d1, otherwise its going to be a long 4 years for him in [insert crappy small city name here], and a tough few years living at home after college while in the Enterprise training program.

Crazy parents running around to schools trying to meet with the coach is not the same thing as being recruited. Sending out countless emails to college coaches is not being recruited.
In this day and age their are tournaments that put hundreds of players in front of the college coaches. This past summer and fall just about every Head Coach from all of the top teams in the country were on the sideline watching the top 2019 club teams play.

The coaches watch and then they "recruit" who they like. You don't just call up Hopkins or Duke and say that you want to commit. The Coaches watch the player multiple times then they reach out to see if there is any interest from the player. What 14 year old and their parents will not explore Virginia, Cornell, Duke, Penn, Hopkins etc...

There may be crazy parents and Club and HS coaches might try to push a kid but at the end of the day the college coaches are in charge. They watch the games and they recruit the kids. They ask them to visit campus and they do their best to try and get to know the player and the family. If they think the kid will fit their program they make an offer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We wouldn't have these discussions if early recruiting wasn't in the picture. Summer of their sohpmore year going into junior year is reasonable. Stop blaming the parents. It's the club teams and the division 1 lax coaches feeding the machine.

As a parent and NOT a club/college coach, i can tell you from an fairly unbiased perspective that blaming only the coaches is completely untrue. Many a college coach has had 8th grade kids and their parents show up in the lax office during the school year (i.e. before they are even into the summer before frosh yr) asking to talk to the coach, saying they want to consider committing to XXXX college.

At one of the top D3 programs (top both athletically and academically), last fall a group of 4 8th grade kids and their parents walked into the head coach's office asking about recruiting. Coach said it was all he could do to not tell the parents they were frikkin crazy, but instead nicely told them they didnt really start to evaluate kids until summer before Jr Yr. This was driven 100% by parents, as this school never has any commits until rising Jr summer, and any knowledgeable club coach would know that was the case.

While it is true that the root of much of the ER insanity is the coaches being willing to even consider rising Frosh (even if they are 15-16 yo), to not put some of the blame on the parents is being naive. Not that, given the recruiting landscape right now, the parents arent making rational decisions to pursue the gold ring as a Frosh.........if your kid is a stud (or a summer birthday holdback, and then also reclassed when he transferred to brunswick/Choate/ St. XXXXX), is 5'11+ in 8th grade, can shoot on the run, and has pretty good grades, but not good enough to get into a UMich/UVa/ND/JHU on grades alone, then maybe its not crazy. Why not spend 8 weekends during the summer-before and fall-of his Frosh yr to see if you can get him a free, semi-binding option to attend a great school like UMich/UVa/ND/JHU (that he probably wouldn't ever get to sniff at otherwise) simply because he can beat a bunch of year-younger middies off a split dodge........As a parent of a HS Sr (non athlete) who has a 3.8 and 32 ACT but is still probably not getting an acceptance from a UMich/UVa/ND/JHU, having a semi-binding option on one of them maybe isnt the worse thing in the world.

Now, the real head scratchers are the early commits to [insert second-tier D1 school of your choice that any student with a 3.0 and 26 ACT can get in to]. I guess if your son's goal in life is to be a D1 lax player, then knock yourself out.....I just hope its not actually just the parent's goal to be able to claim their son is committed to d1, otherwise its going to be a long 4 years for him in [insert crappy small city name here], and a tough few years living at home after college while in the Enterprise training program.

Crazy parents running around to schools trying to meet with the coach is not the same thing as being recruited. Sending out countless emails to college coaches is not being recruited.
In this day and age their are tournaments that put hundreds of players in front of the college coaches. This past summer and fall just about every Head Coach from all of the top teams in the country were on the sideline watching the top 2019 club teams play.

The coaches watch and then they "recruit" who they like. You don't just call up Hopkins or Duke and say that you want to commit. The Coaches watch the player multiple times then they reach out to see if there is any interest from the player. What 14 year old and their parents will not explore Virginia, Cornell, Duke, Penn, Hopkins etc...

There may be crazy parents and Club and HS coaches might try to push a kid but at the end of the day the college coaches are in charge. They watch the games and they recruit the kids. They ask them to visit campus and they do their best to try and get to know the player and the family. If they think the kid will fit their program they make an offer.

I dont disagree with anything you say above. But its a vicious circle. Do you really think Dom was truly happy about taking that first commitment from the Canadian this past July? Go look at his face in the photo posted to twitter. I'm sure they saw him play enough to know he was legit, but when he (or his parents) told Dom "I want to commit now.....if you aren't interested we understand, but my next stop is off Charles St, and I know DP will give me a verbal". So Dom, not wanting to miss out on the next Brandon Benn, says ok sure, we want you. And then the floodgates opened.

Or how about one of the other big-time commits that "everybody wants". A kid who is completely legit, and could truly play anywhere he wants (and thats been clear since he was in 6th grade). He could show up three years from now at ANY of the ACC schools and they would take him in a heartbeat. But instead he or his parents decide that its a better idea for him to make his decision today, three months into HS, based on him thinking Durham is a better place to spend 4 years than in C'ville/So Bend/Chap Hill/Balt (or vice versa). I guess his commitment is not binding, so he can always change later (decides he does like the snow, or maybe he realizes his grades are enough to go to Princ/Harvard?)

At the end of the day, there is a lot of culpability across all parties in the process. Without the coaches supporting it (even if reluctantly) you are right, it wouldnt exist. And probably some of the parents ARE acting rationally by seeing an opportunity for their 16 yo 9th grader to grab a spot at a school where, even if he never touches the field, he will get a great education and have an enjoyable time. I cant say i blame an early developing D-pole, who at 5'11 in 9th grade is already taller than his Dad, for taking that offer from UNC. Because in a worst case scenario he gets a great education from a school with hot chicks, no snow, and that is virtually impossible to get into from out of state.

But an early commit by a good student from NJ/LI/CT/MD to OSU [or any other school that is a solid university but is not hard to get into even as a non-athlete] simply because they have a kick [lacrosse] weight room and a nice athlete dining hall??....can we really say that is a parent being rational, and not at least partially contributing to the problem???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We wouldn't have these discussions if early recruiting wasn't in the picture. Summer of their sohpmore year going into junior year is reasonable. Stop blaming the parents. It's the club teams and the division 1 lax coaches feeding the machine.

As a parent and NOT a club/college coach, i can tell you from an fairly unbiased perspective that blaming only the coaches is completely untrue. Many a college coach has had 8th grade kids and their parents show up in the lax office during the school year (i.e. before they are even into the summer before frosh yr) asking to talk to the coach, saying they want to consider committing to XXXX college.

At one of the top D3 programs (top both athletically and academically), last fall a group of 4 8th grade kids and their parents walked into the head coach's office asking about recruiting. Coach said it was all he could do to not tell the parents they were frikkin crazy, but instead nicely told them they didnt really start to evaluate kids until summer before Jr Yr. This was driven 100% by parents, as this school never has any commits until rising Jr summer, and any knowledgeable club coach would know that was the case.

While it is true that the root of much of the ER insanity is the coaches being willing to even consider rising Frosh (even if they are 15-16 yo), to not put some of the blame on the parents is being naive. Not that, given the recruiting landscape right now, the parents arent making rational decisions to pursue the gold ring as a Frosh.........if your kid is a stud (or a summer birthday holdback, and then also reclassed when he transferred to brunswick/Choate/ St. XXXXX), is 5'11+ in 8th grade, can shoot on the run, and has pretty good grades, but not good enough to get into a UMich/UVa/ND/JHU on grades alone, then maybe its not crazy. Why not spend 8 weekends during the summer-before and fall-of his Frosh yr to see if you can get him a free, semi-binding option to attend a great school like UMich/UVa/ND/JHU (that he probably wouldn't ever get to sniff at otherwise) simply because he can beat a bunch of year-younger middies off a split dodge........As a parent of a HS Sr (non athlete) who has a 3.8 and 32 ACT but is still probably not getting an acceptance from a UMich/UVa/ND/JHU, having a semi-binding option on one of them maybe isnt the worse thing in the world.

Now, the real head scratchers are the early commits to [insert second-tier D1 school of your choice that any student with a 3.0 and 26 ACT can get in to]. I guess if your son's goal in life is to be a D1 lax player, then knock yourself out.....I just hope its not actually just the parent's goal to be able to claim their son is committed to d1, otherwise its going to be a long 4 years for him in [insert crappy small city name here], and a tough few years living at home after college while in the Enterprise training program.

Crazy parents running around to schools trying to meet with the coach is not the same thing as being recruited. Sending out countless emails to college coaches is not being recruited.
In this day and age their are tournaments that put hundreds of players in front of the college coaches. This past summer and fall just about every Head Coach from all of the top teams in the country were on the sideline watching the top 2019 club teams play.

The coaches watch and then they "recruit" who they like. You don't just call up Hopkins or Duke and say that you want to commit. The Coaches watch the player multiple times then they reach out to see if there is any interest from the player. What 14 year old and their parents will not explore Virginia, Cornell, Duke, Penn, Hopkins etc...

There may be crazy parents and Club and HS coaches might try to push a kid but at the end of the day the college coaches are in charge. They watch the games and they recruit the kids. They ask them to visit campus and they do their best to try and get to know the player and the family. If they think the kid will fit their program they make an offer.

I dont disagree with anything you say above. But its a vicious circle. Do you really think Dom was truly happy about taking that first commitment from the Canadian this past July? Go look at his face in the photo posted to twitter. I'm sure they saw him play enough to know he was legit, but when he (or his parents) told Dom "I want to commit now.....if you aren't interested we understand, but my next stop is off Charles St, and I know DP will give me a verbal". So Dom, not wanting to miss out on the next Brandon Benn, says ok sure, we want you. And then the floodgates opened.

Or how about one of the other big-time commits that "everybody wants". A kid who is completely legit, and could truly play anywhere he wants (and thats been clear since he was in 6th grade). He could show up three years from now at ANY of the ACC schools and they would take him in a heartbeat. But instead he or his parents decide that its a better idea for him to make his decision today, three months into HS, based on him thinking Durham is a better place to spend 4 years than in C'ville/So Bend/Chap Hill/Balt (or vice versa). I guess his commitment is not binding, so he can always change later (decides he does like the snow, or maybe he realizes his grades are enough to go to Princ/Harvard?)

At the end of the day, there is a lot of culpability across all parties in the process. Without the coaches supporting it (even if reluctantly) you are right, it wouldnt exist. And probably some of the parents ARE acting rationally by seeing an opportunity for their 16 yo 9th grader to grab a spot at a school where, even if he never touches the field, he will get a great education and have an enjoyable time. I cant say i blame an early developing D-pole, who at 5'11 in 9th grade is already taller than his Dad, for taking that offer from UNC. Because in a worst case scenario he gets a great education from a school with hot chicks, no snow, and that is virtually impossible to get into from out of state.

But an early commit by a good student from NJ/LI/CT/MD to OSU [or any other school that is a solid university but is not hard to get into even as a non-athlete] simply because they have a kick [lacrosse] weight room and a nice athlete dining hall??....can we really say that is a parent being rational, and not at least partially contributing to the problem???

*** every kid has a story and OSU might be his dream school. BTW that school smells like money and will be and top public university in the near future. Myers, Ross and Koesterer are great guys and anyone would be lucky to have that kind of influence around their kid. Those freshman they committed are really good and they will contend for the prize. Maybe the graduation pipeline to Wall St. isn't like the others, but Wall St. is not the same anymore either- Lots of 45 year old guys looking for work these days. Morgan Stanley right sizing FICC-sending another batch of people scrambling.

I dont disagree with your opinions, however dont be so fast to judge kids and parents for when and where they decide to commit. Every kid is different and every case is different. Not every kid is going to play at an Ivy/ACC/Patriot/Big10, some kids are talented enough but dont have the grades, some kids have the grades but arent talented enough. My son committed to one of those 2nd tier programs and I can say without any trepidation that it was a great decision because it was absolutely the right FIT for HIM. The coaching staff is awesome, the school has his major and does a good job getting kids jobs with internship opportunities, alumni network, etc and he has a real opportunity to play D1 lacrosse at a high level for four years. The whole point of all of this is get your child into a situation where he can be successful and have a great college experience and play the game he loves and if you accomplish that, I say good for you and best of luck to your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We wouldn't have these discussions if early recruiting wasn't in the picture. Summer of their sohpmore year going into junior year is reasonable. Stop blaming the parents. It's the club teams and the division 1 lax coaches feeding the machine.

As a parent and NOT a club/college coach, i can tell you from an fairly unbiased perspective that blaming only the coaches is completely untrue. Many a college coach has had 8th grade kids and their parents show up in the lax office during the school year (i.e. before they are even into the summer before frosh yr) asking to talk to the coach, saying they want to consider committing to XXXX college.

At one of the top D3 programs (top both athletically and academically), last fall a group of 4 8th grade kids and their parents walked into the head coach's office asking about recruiting. Coach said it was all he could do to not tell the parents they were frikkin crazy, but instead nicely told them they didnt really start to evaluate kids until summer before Jr Yr. This was driven 100% by parents, as this school never has any commits until rising Jr summer, and any knowledgeable club coach would know that was the case.

While it is true that the root of much of the ER insanity is the coaches being willing to even consider rising Frosh (even if they are 15-16 yo), to not put some of the blame on the parents is being naive. Not that, given the recruiting landscape right now, the parents arent making rational decisions to pursue the gold ring as a Frosh.........if your kid is a stud (or a summer birthday holdback, and then also reclassed when he transferred to brunswick/Choate/ St. XXXXX), is 5'11+ in 8th grade, can shoot on the run, and has pretty good grades, but not good enough to get into a UMich/UVa/ND/JHU on grades alone, then maybe its not crazy. Why not spend 8 weekends during the summer-before and fall-of his Frosh yr to see if you can get him a free, semi-binding option to attend a great school like UMich/UVa/ND/JHU (that he probably wouldn't ever get to sniff at otherwise) simply because he can beat a bunch of year-younger middies off a split dodge........As a parent of a HS Sr (non athlete) who has a 3.8 and 32 ACT but is still probably not getting an acceptance from a UMich/UVa/ND/JHU, having a semi-binding option on one of them maybe isnt the worse thing in the world.

Now, the real head scratchers are the early commits to [insert second-tier D1 school of your choice that any student with a 3.0 and 26 ACT can get in to]. I guess if your son's goal in life is to be a D1 lax player, then knock yourself out.....I just hope its not actually just the parent's goal to be able to claim their son is committed to d1, otherwise its going to be a long 4 years for him in [insert crappy small city name here], and a tough few years living at home after college while in the Enterprise training program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I dont disagree with your opinions, however dont be so fast to judge kids and parents for when and where they decide to commit. Every kid is different and every case is different. Not every kid is going to play at an Ivy/ACC/Patriot/Big10, some kids are talented enough but dont have the grades, some kids have the grades but arent talented enough. My son committed to one of those 2nd tier programs and I can say without any trepidation that it was a great decision because it was absolutely the right FIT for HIM. The coaching staff is awesome, the school has his major and does a good job getting kids jobs with internship opportunities, alumni network, etc and he has a real opportunity to play D1 lacrosse at a high level for four years. The whole point of all of this is get your child into a situation where he can be successful and have a great college experience and play the game he loves and if you accomplish that, I say good for you and best of luck to your son.

Sounds like your son is in the right place. I am in no way criticizing any one because they dont go to a ACC/Ivy/Pat/etc program. My question is, did he/you make the decision to go to his collge when he was a Freshman in HS, or later.....ike maybe after having 2 years or more of HS under his belt so that he had a better idea of where he thinks he fits in, academically, socially, and athletically?

Can people stop referring to verbal commitments as "semi-binding". This is incorrect and fuels some peoples perception that once a kid verbals he is all set.

The verbal commitments being publicized online require interest from the school and from the player, and there is discussion of possible athletic scholarship but at the end of the day it is nothing more than a handshake and a "gentlemen's agreement".

A players NLI is binding, before that is signed there is no binding commitment between the school and the player. Either can back out at any time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can people stop referring to verbal commitments as "semi-binding". This is incorrect and fuels some peoples perception that once a kid verbals he is all set.

The verbal commitments being publicized online require interest from the school and from the player, and there is discussion of possible athletic scholarship but at the end of the day it is nothing more than a handshake and a "gentlemen's agreement".

A players NLI is binding, before that is signed there is no binding commitment between the school and the player. Either can back out at any time.

I think most people understand exactly what a "verbal commitment" is. I would bet that just about every player and parent of a player who is being offered a spot and or scholarship as a 9th grader completely understands the agreement.
I think the only people who get worked up about early recruiting and verbal commitments are the parents of players who are not being recruited and offered spots. I have not gone back and read all of the posts on this thread but I have never heard of anyone refer to a verbal as "semi-binding".

Has anyone ever thought of a double hold back to increase their child's dominance over everyone else?

My 2019 "true" freshman has received serious interest from 3 schools. He was identified as a prospect this Fall, we visited all three schools and one of the three have made an offer. We have decided NOT to move forward with any of the schools because my son has no idea what he wants to major in, what career he wants to pursue let alone, what school he wants to attend. He is 14 years old and I won't pressure him or make a decision for him. Its lacrosse, the scholarships are a small % of the overall cost. There is no need to rush a decision in my opinion.

Just one Dad not drinking the Kool Aid. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll see.

I admire your decision. Like you said your 14yr old has no idea what he wants to major in. That is a big deal and you don't want to make a quick decision and your son 2 yrs down the road say dad this school really doesn't have want I want to do in life. Folks it's about after college and people are losing site of that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone ever thought of a double hold back to increase their child's dominance over everyone else?

Obviously you are either being sarcastic or havnt been on the latest trail of prospect camps and recruiting events.

They are out there. As there hadn't been that many 2 years ago, the parents 2 years ago would a bit freer in saying how old the player was, I have noticed these days the parents aren't as free to tell you how old the child is.

good for you and your son....wait on deciding....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I dont disagree with your opinions, however dont be so fast to judge kids and parents for when and where they decide to commit. Every kid is different and every case is different. Not every kid is going to play at an Ivy/ACC/Patriot/Big10, some kids are talented enough but dont have the grades, some kids have the grades but arent talented enough. My son committed to one of those 2nd tier programs and I can say without any trepidation that it was a great decision because it was absolutely the right FIT for HIM. The coaching staff is awesome, the school has his major and does a good job getting kids jobs with internship opportunities, alumni network, etc and he has a real opportunity to play D1 lacrosse at a high level for four years. The whole point of all of this is get your child into a situation where he can be successful and have a great college experience and play the game he loves and if you accomplish that, I say good for you and best of luck to your son.

Sounds like your son is in the right place. I am in no way criticizing any one because they dont go to a ACC/Ivy/Pat/etc program. My question is, did he/you make the decision to go to his collge when he was a Freshman in HS, or later.....ike maybe after having 2 years or more of HS under his belt so that he had a better idea of where he thinks he fits in, academically, socially, and athletically?

He committed this fall and he is a sophomore. He was a 2017 and reclassed, (he just turned 16 last week) and is now at a prep school. As of now he is really happy with his decision but as you know that can and may change and thats ok too. His high school coach and club coach endorsed his decision and encouraged it. The school made a significant financial offer to him as well which obviously was also a big factor. All in all it was a great experience and I am excited for him moving forward.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone ever thought of a double hold back to increase their child's dominance over everyone else?

Obviously you are either being sarcastic or havnt been on the latest trail of prospect camps and recruiting events.

They are out there. As there hadn't been that many 2 years ago, the parents 2 years ago would a bit freer in saying how old the player was, I have noticed these days the parents aren't as free to tell you how old the child is.

There is a 2018 kid going to an ACC school that was a kindergarten holdback, reclassed and is doing a PG year. This is not parent paranoia this is a fact, it goes on and the college coaches encourage it.

Right because couldn't play at his own age and that will blow up in these college coaches faces. I firmly believe for the most part it will even out. I have seen it first hand. Some of these studs at14 who are shaving and physically mature fizzle out. In not saying all but many can't handle when little johnnie catches up to them physically and then they are not so much the stud they were.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone ever thought of a double hold back to increase their child's dominance over everyone else?

Obviously you are either being sarcastic or havnt been on the latest trail of prospect camps and recruiting events.

They are out there. As there hadn't been that many 2 years ago, the parents 2 years ago would a bit freer in saying how old the player was, I have noticed these days the parents aren't as free to tell you how old the child is.

There is a 2018 kid going to an ACC school that was a kindergarten holdback, reclassed and is doing a PG year. This is not parent paranoia this is a fact, it goes on and the college coaches encourage it.

And go to Blue Chip, where they basically tell parents they are doing their kids a disservice if they DONT hold them back

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone ever thought of a double hold back to increase their child's dominance over everyone else?

Obviously you are either being sarcastic or havnt been on the latest trail of prospect camps and recruiting events.

They are out there. As there hadn't been that many 2 years ago, the parents 2 years ago would a bit freer in saying how old the player was, I have noticed these days the parents aren't as free to tell you how old the child is.

There is a 2018 kid going to an ACC school that was a kindergarten holdback, reclassed and is doing a PG year. This is not parent paranoia this is a fact, it goes on and the college coaches encourage it.

Once he gets to college he'll red shirt. By the time he graduates he'll be 30 years old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone ever thought of a double hold back to increase their child's dominance over everyone else?

Obviously you are either being sarcastic or havnt been on the latest trail of prospect camps and recruiting events.

They are out there. As there hadn't been that many 2 years ago, the parents 2 years ago would a bit freer in saying how old the player was, I have noticed these days the parents aren't as free to tell you how old the child is.

There is a 2018 kid going to an ACC school that was a kindergarten holdback, reclassed and is doing a PG year. This is not parent paranoia this is a fact, it goes on and the college coaches encourage it.

Once he gets to college he'll red shirt. By the time he graduates he'll be 30 years old.

And have the age to Retire

All for lacrosse!! I'm ashamed where this game has gone. Ur telling me blue chip told parents to hold back their kids? That's disgusting. I will just tell my true 2019 to play harder and u will surpass these hold bucks or early bloomers in two years from now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 2019 "true" freshman has received serious interest from 3 schools. He was identified as a prospect this Fall, we visited all three schools and one of the three have made an offer. We have decided NOT to move forward with any of the schools because my son has no idea what he wants to major in, what career he wants to pursue let alone, what school he wants to attend. He is 14 years old and I won't pressure him or make a decision for him. Its lacrosse, the scholarships are a small % of the overall cost. There is no need to rush a decision in my opinion.

Just one Dad not drinking the Kool Aid. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll see.

Stop your nonsense, if you went to prospect camps and took the time to visit 3 schools like you say why wouldn't you seriously look into offers. First off most schools wouldn't want him to declare a major at least until the middle of his sophomore year or junior year. And 25% on a $60K school still adds up over 4 years if he's a stud like you say 50% really adds up. There has been a handful or less of LI kids who have committed and I"m pretty sure your kid isn't that caliber of a player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 2019 "true" freshman has received serious interest from 3 schools. He was identified as a prospect this Fall, we visited all three schools and one of the three have made an offer. We have decided NOT to move forward with any of the schools because my son has no idea what he wants to major in, what career he wants to pursue let alone, what school he wants to attend. He is 14 years old and I won't pressure him or make a decision for him. Its lacrosse, the scholarships are a small % of the overall cost. There is no need to rush a decision in my opinion.

Just one Dad not drinking the Kool Aid. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll see.

Stop your nonsense, if you went to prospect camps and took the time to visit 3 schools like you say why wouldn't you seriously look into offers. First off most schools wouldn't want him to declare a major at least until the middle of his sophomore year or junior year. And 25% on a $60K school still adds up over 4 years if he's a stud like you say 50% really adds up. There has been a handful or less of LI kids who have committed and I"m pretty sure your kid isn't that caliber of a player.

I never said he was a stud, nor did I infer he was offered a 25% scholarship. We explored the process and made a decision to wait. What the [lacrosse] is wrong with some of the morons on this board?

Wow very angry! Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He committed this fall and he is a sophomore. He was a 2017 and reclassed, (he just turned 16 last week) and is now at a prep school. As of now he is really happy with his decision but as you know that can and may change and thats ok too. His high school coach and club coach endorsed his decision and encouraged it. The school made a significant financial offer to him as well which obviously was also a big factor. All in all it was a great experience and I am excited for him moving forward.

See, that makes sense....while that is technically "early", he had 2+ years of HS under his belt to see where he stands academically, and to make an better informed decision about where he wants to go to college. Makes more sense than putting that decision on my 14 yo freshman who had a full 2 months of HS experience before he started the fall recruiting tour this fall.......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 2019 "true" freshman has received serious interest from 3 schools. He was identified as a prospect this Fall, we visited all three schools and one of the three have made an offer. We have decided NOT to move forward with any of the schools because my son has no idea what he wants to major in, what career he wants to pursue let alone, what school he wants to attend. He is 14 years old and I won't pressure him or make a decision for him. Its lacrosse, the scholarships are a small % of the overall cost. There is no need to rush a decision in my opinion.

Just one Dad not drinking the Kool Aid. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll see.

Stop your nonsense, if you went to prospect camps and took the time to visit 3 schools like you say why wouldn't you seriously look into offers. First off most schools wouldn't want him to declare a major at least until the middle of his sophomore year or junior year. And 25% on a $60K school still adds up over 4 years if he's a stud like you say 50% really adds up. There has been a handful or less of LI kids who have committed and I"m pretty sure your kid isn't that caliber of a player.

I never said he was a stud, nor did I infer he was offered a 25% scholarship. We explored the process and made a decision to wait. What the [lacrosse] is wrong with some of the morons on this board?

You hit the nail on the head, it's because they are morons. Unfortunately there is very little to be gained by sharing your insight here, particularly if it's even remotely positive. Good luck to you and your son, and it's nice to hear that there are parents with a balanced and realistic approach to the recruiting process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I never said he was a stud, nor did I infer he was offered a 25% scholarship. We explored the process and made a decision to wait.

Hey easy now.........we'll have none of that common sense espoused on this board. How are we going to keep driving up the cost of club ball by 20% per year if the parents dont drink the Koolaide that our sons are failures if they havent committed before the start of soph year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I never said he was a stud, nor did I infer he was offered a 25% scholarship. We explored the process and made a decision to wait.

Hey easy now.........we'll have none of that common sense espoused on this board. How are we going to keep driving up the cost of club ball by 20% per year if the parents dont drink the Koolaide that our sons are failures if they havent committed before the start of soph year?

Over half the kids will change schools due to grades and knowing in a few years that the school is not a fit. That's not including the ones that fail out after the first year in the Higher education schools due to poor grades ...Just facts

Nov one cares after your kid is out of college. These club teams are about money. Go for the grades not ground balls. Do you know how many great lax players tend bars..... To many.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nov one cares after your kid is out of college. These club teams are about money. Go for the grades not ground balls. Do you know how many great lax players tend bars..... To many.

If you know then you have been in too many...it's always grades first that's common sense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nov one cares after your kid is out of college. These club teams are about money. Go for the grades not ground balls. Do you know how many great lax players tend bars..... To many.

Not sure if you are responding to a post or if you are just making a statement.

Is it not possible to be a great lacrosse player and a great student? What is your point about the Club Teams being about money? No one cares about what after your kid is out of college?

It is possible to do well in school and on the field. I know of many great lacrosse players who are living very productive lives. Club teams are in the business of making money and I do not know anyone who thinks otherwise. However, the clubs do provide a valuable service and people are willing to pay
for it. People do care after college (the kids that play care). Many life lessons are taught through athletics. Life long friendships are developed and there are some very fond memories. After college kids move on to whatever it is they choose to pursue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 2019 "true" freshman has received serious interest from 3 schools. He was identified as a prospect this Fall, we visited all three schools and one of the three have made an offer. We have decided NOT to move forward with any of the schools because my son has no idea what he wants to major in, what career he wants to pursue let alone, what school he wants to attend. He is 14 years old and I won't pressure him or make a decision for him. Its lacrosse, the scholarships are a small % of the overall cost. There is no need to rush a decision in my opinion.

Just one Dad not drinking the Kool Aid. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll see.

Stop your nonsense, if you went to prospect camps and took the time to visit 3 schools like you say why wouldn't you seriously look into offers. First off most schools wouldn't want him to declare a major at least until the middle of his sophomore year or junior year. And 25% on a $60K school still adds up over 4 years if he's a stud like you say 50% really adds up. There has been a handful or less of LI kids who have committed and I"m pretty sure your kid isn't that caliber of a player.

sounds like someone is angry because their kid isn't getting any looks....sheeesh, calm down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can people stop referring to verbal commitments as "semi-binding". This is incorrect and fuels some peoples perception that once a kid verbals he is all set.

The verbal commitments being publicized online require interest from the school and from the player, and there is discussion of possible athletic scholarship but at the end of the day it is nothing more than a handshake and a "gentlemen's agreement".

A players NLI is binding, before that is signed there is no binding commitment between the school and the player. Either can back out at any time.

I think most people understand exactly what a "verbal commitment" is. I would bet that just about every player and parent of a player who is being offered a spot and or scholarship as a 9th grader completely understands the agreement.
I think the only people who get worked up about early recruiting and verbal commitments are the parents of players who are not being recruited and offered spots. I have not gone back and read all of the posts on this thread but I have never heard of anyone refer to a verbal as "semi-binding".

100% correct

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can people stop referring to verbal commitments as "semi-binding". This is incorrect and fuels some peoples perception that once a kid verbals he is all set.

The verbal commitments being publicized online require interest from the school and from the player, and there is discussion of possible athletic scholarship but at the end of the day it is nothing more than a handshake and a "gentlemen's agreement".

A players NLI is binding, before that is signed there is no binding commitment between the school and the player. Either can back out at any time.

I think most people understand exactly what a "verbal commitment" is. I would bet that just about every player and parent of a player who is being offered a spot and or scholarship as a 9th grader completely understands the agreement.
I think the only people who get worked up about early recruiting and verbal commitments are the parents of players who are not being recruited and offered spots. I have not gone back and read all of the posts on this thread but I have never heard of anyone refer to a verbal as "semi-binding".

Thanks for offering your opinion while also admitting you had not read the previous posts. On the previous page a poster used that exact language.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We wouldn't have these discussions if early recruiting wasn't in the picture. Summer of their sohpmore year going into junior year is reasonable. Stop blaming the parents. It's the club teams and the division 1 lax coaches feeding the machine.

As a parent and NOT a club/college coach, i can tell you from an fairly unbiased perspective that blaming only the coaches is completely untrue. Many a college coach has had 8th grade kids and their parents show up in the lax office during the school year (i.e. before they are even into the summer before frosh yr) asking to talk to the coach, saying they want to consider committing to XXXX college.

At one of the top D3 programs (top both athletically and academically), last fall a group of 4 8th grade kids and their parents walked into the head coach's office asking about recruiting. Coach said it was all he could do to not tell the parents they were frikkin crazy, but instead nicely told them they didnt really start to evaluate kids until summer before Jr Yr. This was driven 100% by parents, as this school never has any commits until rising Jr summer, and any knowledgeable club coach would know that was the case.

While it is true that the root of much of the ER insanity is the coaches being willing to even consider rising Frosh (even if they are 15-16 yo), to not put some of the blame on the parents is being naive. Not that, given the recruiting landscape right now, the parents arent making rational decisions to pursue the gold ring as a Frosh.........if your kid is a stud (or a summer birthday holdback, and then also reclassed when he transferred to brunswick/Choate/ St. XXXXX), is 5'11+ in 8th grade, can shoot on the run, and has pretty good grades, but not good enough to get into a UMich/UVa/ND/JHU on grades alone, then maybe its not crazy. Why not spend 8 weekends during the summer-before and fall-of his Frosh yr to see if you can get him a free, semi-binding option to attend a great school like UMich/UVa/ND/JHU (that he probably wouldn't ever get to sniff at otherwise) simply because he can beat a bunch of year-younger middies off a split dodge........As a parent of a HS Sr (non athlete) who has a 3.8 and 32 ACT but is still probably not getting an acceptance from a UMich/UVa/ND/JHU, having a semi-binding option on one of them maybe isnt the worse thing in the world.

Now, the real head scratchers are the early commits to [insert second-tier D1 school of your choice that any student with a 3.0 and 26 ACT can get in to]. I guess if your son's goal in life is to be a D1 lax player, then knock yourself out.....I just hope its not actually just the parent's goal to be able to claim their son is committed to d1, otherwise its going to be a long 4 years for him in [insert crappy small city name here], and a tough few years living at home after college while in the Enterprise training program.

Yup, right there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can people stop referring to verbal commitments as "semi-binding". This is incorrect and fuels some peoples perception that once a kid verbals he is all set.

The verbal commitments being publicized online require interest from the school and from the player, and there is discussion of possible athletic scholarship but at the end of the day it is nothing more than a handshake and a "gentlemen's agreement".

A players NLI is binding, before that is signed there is no binding commitment between the school and the player. Either can back out at any time.

I think most people understand exactly what a "verbal commitment" is. I would bet that just about every player and parent of a player who is being offered a spot and or scholarship as a 9th grader completely understands the agreement.
I think the only people who get worked up about early recruiting and verbal commitments are the parents of players who are not being recruited and offered spots. I have not gone back and read all of the posts on this thread but I have never heard of anyone refer to a verbal as "semi-binding".

100% correct

The only thing I would add is that the Service Academies do it a little differently.

Due to the Service Academy appointment process, names of recruited student-athletes are not released until they arrive on campus for indoctrination the summer after they graduate. Coaches and administrators are not allowed to comment about recruits due to the Privacy Act. The athletes are allowed to comment if they wish.

Many high school student-athletes will participate in signing days and appear to sign a National Letter of Intent (NLI) with a Service Academy, but they are actually signing a "Certificate of Intent" which is a non-binding agreement that signifies an athlete's commitment to follow through with the appointment process and allows them to participate in signing day for publicity purposes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 2019 "true" freshman has received serious interest from 3 schools. He was identified as a prospect this Fall, we visited all three schools and one of the three have made an offer. We have decided NOT to move forward with any of the schools because my son has no idea what he wants to major in, what career he wants to pursue let alone, what school he wants to attend. He is 14 years old and I won't pressure him or make a decision for him. Its lacrosse, the scholarships are a small % of the overall cost. There is no need to rush a decision in my opinion.

Just one Dad not drinking the Kool Aid. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll see.

Stop your nonsense, if you went to prospect camps and took the time to visit 3 schools like you say why wouldn't you seriously look into offers. First off most schools wouldn't want him to declare a major at least until the middle of his sophomore year or junior year. And 25% on a $60K school still adds up over 4 years if he's a stud like you say 50% really adds up. There has been a handful or less of LI kids who have committed and I"m pretty sure your kid isn't that caliber of a player.

It sounds like this parent did indeed seriously explore all of the opportunities (one offer) and made a decision not to accept the offer that was made. Level headed and thoughtful decision making should be encouraged, not attacked. You appear to be a sour grapes parent who wishes they were in the position this guy is in. Kudos to the parent who is not jumping at a fractional lax scholarship for a 14 or 15 year old kid.

This also applies to D1/D2 student athletes not receiving athletic scholarships, and all D3 signees as well - it's a letter of intent.

Okay please help me understand the new rule that is proposed. Is it now the coach wont be able to talk to any student athlete on their campus if they are younger than a Jr.

Why wont the coaches still want to see the Freshman and Soph play, I think this puts the top programs at a premium now. They will still talk to the Club Coach, no? I don't know not sure if it really helps. if I was a coach I want to see and gather my cast of characters before anyone else. The problem in the first place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay please help me understand the new rule that is proposed. Is it now the coach wont be able to talk to any student athlete on their campus if they are younger than a Jr.

Why wont the coaches still want to see the Freshman and Soph play, I think this puts the top programs at a premium now. They will still talk to the Club Coach, no? I don't know not sure if it really helps. if I was a coach I want to see and gather my cast of characters before anyone else. The problem in the first place.

I would think that coaches may still look at the freshman and sophomores but it will also allow the late bloomers in terms of puberty or skill to stand out, as a coach will see the playing field leveled over the years, as opposed to seeing the older, bigger reclassed kids standing out among younger, less developed kids. It is also good for the kids that are consistent over time as opposed to the ones that dominate because they hit puberty first. I don't think this is going to hurt clubs at all, rather, kids will stay and play longer with their club, for more years. I do think it will hurt showcases, as they will lose some of the younger market, which is a good thing for the sport.

What will happen to the freshman that already committed? Will the coaches have to cease all communications with them, essentially nulling the agreement? Or will they say, I'll talk to you in a couple years? Seems awkward?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What will happen to the freshman that already committed? Will the coaches have to cease all communications with them, essentially nulling the agreement? Or will they say, I'll talk to you in a couple years? Seems awkward?

I have no idea about the timeline, but I'd gather, this isn't going to happen over night and may impact 2020 and younger more than 2019. What's great, if your kid is really talented, coaches will still want them in Junior year. The truly skilled kids win if this ruling takes affect. It will give kids time to mature a bit and know what type of coach, school and region might interest them. It's a win for the coaches too, because they won't have to commit kids based on their middle school play and a few months of academics in HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What will happen to the freshman that already committed? Will the coaches have to cease all communications with them, essentially nulling the agreement? Or will they say, I'll talk to you in a couple years? Seems awkward?

I have no idea about the timeline, but I'd gather, this isn't going to happen over night and may impact 2020 and younger more than 2019. What's great, if your kid is really talented, coaches will still want them in Junior year. The truly skilled kids win if this ruling takes affect. It will give kids time to mature a bit and know what type of coach, school and region might interest them. It's a win for the coaches too, because they won't have to commit kids based on their middle school play and a few months of academics in HS.

I agree with pretty much all of this - but I also doubt this happens with just lax coaches on board...will need to be across the board NCAA ruling to have any teeth.
The coaches do "win" here if it happens because the % of recruiting that is guess work and projections goes down (but is never eliminated).
Also, in a weird way, I could see the clubs and club coaches actually having more influence here - need to play for longer with the best clubs = more money.
For parents and kids, this just compresses the insanity and stress into a short window at the start of junior year. If folks think it is tough for Fr/So to focus on school with this going on...wait till the start of junior year when the real chaos commences....but it will have to start sometime and I do think, on balance, junior year is much better for all

amazed to see a handful of 2019 kids all re classify to 2020 . are they all in 8th grade again or just going to take a PG year .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 2019 "true" freshman has received serious interest from 3 schools. He was identified as a prospect this Fall, we visited all three schools and one of the three have made an offer. We have decided NOT to move forward with any of the schools because my son has no idea what he wants to major in, what career he wants to pursue let alone, what school he wants to attend. He is 14 years old and I won't pressure him or make a decision for him. Its lacrosse, the scholarships are a small % of the overall cost. There is no need to rush a decision in my opinion.

Just one Dad not drinking the Kool Aid. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll see.

Stop your nonsense, if you went to prospect camps and took the time to visit 3 schools like you say why wouldn't you seriously look into offers. First off most schools wouldn't want him to declare a major at least until the middle of his sophomore year or junior year. And 25% on a $60K school still adds up over 4 years if he's a stud like you say 50% really adds up. There has been a handful or less of LI kids who have committed and I"m pretty sure your kid isn't that caliber of a player.

It sounds like this parent did indeed seriously explore all of the opportunities (one offer) and made a decision not to accept the offer that was made. Level headed and thoughtful decision making should be encouraged, not attacked. You appear to be a sour grapes parent who wishes they were in the position this guy is in. Kudos to the parent who is not jumping at a fractional lax scholarship for a 14 or 15 year old kid.

Exactly! Did the previous poster even read his post? When did he say that he didn't seriously look into offers? He said he went to the prospect days and got one offer out of three, and his son decided not to take it. Should he have accepted the first one he received at 14? I won't let my son commit to the first one who shows interest either as a 9th grader, who would?? Did he say he had a 25% offer? Did he say he received a 50% offer? Did he say he's a stud? Where exactly did you get all of these words you are putting into his mouth? You're clearly insane - LOL...

Maryland now has 12 Freshman commits. Talk about taking a huge gamble!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland now has 12 Freshman commits. Talk about taking a huge gamble!!!

Pushing all-in...now at 13!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland now has 12 Freshman commits. Talk about taking a huge gamble!!!

13

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland now has 12 Freshman commits. Talk about taking a huge gamble!!!

13

the rules are changing as we speak.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

amazed to see a handful of 2019 kids all re classify to 2020 . are they all in 8th grade again or just going to take a PG year .

That is a great question; how do they get away with it without starting the actual grade already. if you are going to reclass stay in the year you belong. Connecticut already has this measure floating around the state senate

But they are not alone, have you seen any of those 2018 that show up under the cloak of 2019.

I love when everyone says Reclassed....When I went to school it was called "Left back "

Originally Posted by Anonymous

amazed to see a handful of 2019 kids all re classify to 2020 . are they all in 8th grade again or just going to take a PG year .

THEY ARE ONE OFF OF THEIR TOTAL PER YEAR OF RECRUITING CLASS SIZE IS MARYLAND DONE WITH THE CLASS OF 19'

Originally Posted by Anonymous

amazed to see a handful of 2019 kids all re classify to 2020 . are they all in 8th grade again or just going to take a PG year .

Why are you amazed - its half of what this board talks about?

You have to admit it's funny, that a school like Maryland has their class of 2020 all set before any of these kids have even played in a high school game in spring 2016.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland now has 12 Freshman commits. Talk about taking a huge gamble!!!

Pushing all-in...now at 13!

I am going to bet Tillman is altering his approach behind the scenes... I can imagine that coaches are all aware that changing verbal commitments will become exponentially more common as we move forward. Tillman is probably just hoarding 19's he likes with the assumption that 50% of this class will change by NLI day senior year.

...and why would you ask on this site? do you think someone has that data?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THEY ARE ONE OFF OF THEIR TOTAL PER YEAR OF RECRUITING CLASS SIZE IS MARYLAND DONE WITH THE CLASS OF 19'

Tillman better hope he is not "done" with his recruiting. With apologies to a number of those on his list, i dont think thats a natty champ-caliber class (or even final-4 caliber). Compare that to Tillman's CY2014 (Rambo et al) for example, and it looks like a team better positioned to maybe have one-loss in the Big10, not make it to final 4.

The only school that (IMHO) has accumulated legit memorial day weekend-caliber talent from 2019 thus far is JHU.

And I dont even have a dog in the hunt w/r/t UMB or JHU, as my 2019 hasn't had even any contact with either UMD or JHU, (and I dont think would want to attend either of those schools, for different reasons, even if they had come calling)....we've just seen most of those kids over the past 9 months and know who has stood out and who hasnt. So for a program to be "done" with their 2019s at this point with that slate is a bit astonishing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland now has 12 Freshman commits. Talk about taking a huge gamble!!!

Pushing all-in...now at 13!

I am going to bet Tillman is altering his approach behind the scenes... I can imagine that coaches are all aware that changing verbal commitments will become exponentially more common as we move forward. Tillman is probably just hoarding 19's he likes with the assumption that 50% of this class will change by NLI day senior year.

I would bet a lot of coaches will do this - but they aren't "hoarding" anything...not binding for years anyway...all this does is raise the profile of good kids so the admitted poachers (see ND) can get their lists together..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only school that (IMHO) has accumulated legit memorial day weekend-caliber talent from 2019 thus far is JHU.

I'm going to go ahead an make sure everyone reads this a second time, because it's crazy. Someone who posts on this board thinks that as these boys all prepare for the spring of their Freshman year that you can tell what will or will not be a championship caliber class as many as EIGHT years from now?

Based on what you have seen on the 5th and 6th grade fields who has the best chance of winning a NYS championship in 6 years?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

amazed to see a handful of 2019 kids all re classify to 2020 . are they all in 8th grade again or just going to take a PG year .

That is a great question; how do they get away with it without starting the actual grade already. if you are going to reclass stay in the year you belong. Connecticut already has this measure floating around the state senate

But they are not alone, have you seen any of those 2018 that show up under the cloak of 2019.

Guys, there are no rules. Edge Lacrosse plays all of there teams down an age group with the explanation that all of the kids will do a PG. BS? Of course, but there are no rules and no one cares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland now has 12 Freshman commits. Talk about taking a huge gamble!!!

Pushing all-in...now at 13!

I am going to bet Tillman is altering his approach behind the scenes... I can imagine that coaches are all aware that changing verbal commitments will become exponentially more common as we move forward. Tillman is probably just hoarding 19's he likes with the assumption that 50% of this class will change by NLI day senior year.

I would bet a lot of coaches will do this - but they aren't "hoarding" anything...not binding for years anyway...all this does is raise the profile of good kids so the admitted poachers (see ND) can get their lists together..

How many are actually 13? I would bet most are older 15 year old freshman, with some 16 year olds as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only school that (IMHO) has accumulated legit memorial day weekend-caliber talent from 2019 thus far is JHU.

I'm going to go ahead an make sure everyone reads this a second time, because it's crazy. Someone who posts on this board thinks that as these boys all prepare for the spring of their Freshman year that you can tell what will or will not be a championship caliber class as many as EIGHT years from now?

Based on what you have seen on the 5th and 6th grade fields who has the best chance of winning a NYS championship in 6 years?

Sorry, let me rephrase it better (since we are actually kind of arguing the same side of the case).......there arent many kids on the summer/fall tour the past 9 months that you can look at and say "yea, that kid is a lock to be an major impact player in college". From what i saw, the only school that has more than MAYBE 1 or 2 of them right now is JHU. And I would think if you were filling up your 2019 class right now, it better be with kids who are locks. Doesnt mean that the other kids wont end up developing into impact players (maybe all 12 of the current UMD 2019s will end up being studs...they all have the POTENTIAL to do so), but for any coach to look at these 14 yr olds (ok, maybe most are 15 or 16 even) and say with any certainty that they can predict who who will be an impact player in college, I personally think is kidding oneself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only school that (IMHO) has accumulated legit memorial day weekend-caliber talent from 2019 thus far is JHU.

I'm going to go ahead an make sure everyone reads this a second time, because it's crazy. Someone who posts on this board thinks that as these boys all prepare for the spring of their Freshman year that you can tell what will or will not be a championship caliber class as many as EIGHT years from now?

Based on what you have seen on the 5th and 6th grade fields who has the best chance of winning a NYS championship in 6 years?

Sorry, let me rephrase it better (since we are actually kind of arguing the same side of the case).......there arent many kids on the summer/fall tour the past 9 months that you can look at and say "yea, that kid is a lock to be an major impact player in college". From what i saw, the only school that has more than MAYBE 1 or 2 of them right now is JHU. And I would think if you were filling up your 2019 class right now, it better be with kids who are locks. Doesnt mean that the other kids wont end up developing into impact players (maybe all 12 of the current UMD 2019s will end up being studs...they all have the POTENTIAL to do so), but for any coach to look at these 14 yr olds (ok, maybe most are 15 or 16 even) and say with any certainty that they can predict who who will be an impact player in college, I personally think is kidding oneself.

I understand what you are saying. All summer and fall I stood on the sidelines watching these top clubs and I have seen the majority of the early commits play in person and for the most part I just don't understand how college coaches are making some of the decisions that they are.

Don't misunderstand, all of these early commits are talented, but how you can sit in a lawn chair and project where every player will be 4 years from now is beyond me.

my son is a 2018 and what a difference a year has made in his overall lacrosse ability and physical ability. A year ago I would not have considered going for the top to middle D1 programs but after the year of growth and maturity he had it's definitely something he is considering. He has been to a number of D1 prospect days and has shown very well. If he was a year younger he might not have shown well at all. I think these coaches are caught up in finding the next superstar and making sure that they have them signed before anyone else. I have seen it a lot this past year, where players that were bigger and just as good as my son are now looking up to him and he is dominating them on the field. This rush to sign young players has resulted in parody in D1 lacrosse. Remember the end all is not lacrosse but the education and job you get after college. Another thing is many D1 players from 10-20 years ago probably wouldn't be going D1 with the number of talented players playing lacrosse now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only school that (IMHO) has accumulated legit memorial day weekend-caliber talent from 2019 thus far is JHU.

I'm going to go ahead an make sure everyone reads this a second time, because it's crazy. Someone who posts on this board thinks that as these boys all prepare for the spring of their Freshman year that you can tell what will or will not be a championship caliber class as many as EIGHT years from now?

Based on what you have seen on the 5th and 6th grade fields who has the best chance of winning a NYS championship in 6 years?

Sorry, let me rephrase it better (since we are actually kind of arguing the same side of the case).......there arent many kids on the summer/fall tour the past 9 months that you can look at and say "yea, that kid is a lock to be an major impact player in college". From what i saw, the only school that has more than MAYBE 1 or 2 of them right now is JHU. And I would think if you were filling up your 2019 class right now, it better be with kids who are locks. Doesnt mean that the other kids wont end up developing into impact players (maybe all 12 of the current UMD 2019s will end up being studs...they all have the POTENTIAL to do so), but for any coach to look at these 14 yr olds (ok, maybe most are 15 or 16 even) and say with any certainty that they can predict who who will be an impact player in college, I personally think is kidding oneself.

I understand what you are saying. All summer and fall I stood on the sidelines watching these top clubs and I have seen the majority of the early commits play in person and for the most part I just don't understand how college coaches are making some of the decisions that they are.

Don't misunderstand, all of these early commits are talented, but how you can sit in a lawn chair and project where every player will be 4 years from now is beyond me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only school that (IMHO) has accumulated legit memorial day weekend-caliber talent from 2019 thus far is JHU.

I'm going to go ahead an make sure everyone reads this a second time, because it's crazy. Someone who posts on this board thinks that as these boys all prepare for the spring of their Freshman year that you can tell what will or will not be a championship caliber class as many as EIGHT years from now?

Based on what you have seen on the 5th and 6th grade fields who has the best chance of winning a NYS championship in 6 years?

Sorry, let me rephrase it better (since we are actually kind of arguing the same side of the case).......there arent many kids on the summer/fall tour the past 9 months that you can look at and say "yea, that kid is a lock to be an major impact player in college". From what i saw, the only school that has more than MAYBE 1 or 2 of them right now is JHU. And I would think if you were filling up your 2019 class right now, it better be with kids who are locks. Doesnt mean that the other kids wont end up developing into impact players (maybe all 12 of the current UMD 2019s will end up being studs...they all have the POTENTIAL to do so), but for any coach to look at these 14 yr olds (ok, maybe most are 15 or 16 even) and say with any certainty that they can predict who who will be an impact player in college, I personally think is kidding oneself.

I understand what you are saying. All summer and fall I stood on the sidelines watching these top clubs and I have seen the majority of the early commits play in person and for the most part I just don't understand how college coaches are making some of the decisions that they are.

Don't misunderstand, all of these early commits are talented, but how you can sit in a lawn chair and project where every player will be 4 years from now is beyond me.

The kid from Mesa P.G. that is going to Virginia is one of the only kids I've seen that is a lock to be good at the collegiate level. Kid is off the charts. And he's not a bigger faster kid, just ridiculously good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland now has 12 Freshman commits. Talk about taking a huge gamble!!!

Believe it or not the only ones gambling here are the kids and families that decided to verbal there so early. Maryland, like the other powerhouses will verbal as many kids as they can, knowing that they will lose some kids. Many of the kids they verbal are just offered spots on the team for freshman year with no financial commitment, and no guarantee that they will be on the team after that. Unless your kid is an absolute monster and you know for sure that he will get a shot at playing at the next level, anyone that verbals their kid to a place like Maryland so early is out of their minds. Its not a good enough academic school to throw caution to the wind with the hopes of a great education.

umm the way understood it, being left back meant you didnt have the grades to move on to the next grade or there was something physically or mentally wrong. Although no one wants to hear it there are legitimate reasons for a kid to reclass. Now some people take it to the extreme and abuse the system but for some families reclassing is a good and solid option and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Case in point, my son was a 2017, however his birthday was very late November 1999. He has played competitive lacrosse at a high level in the 2017 age group his whole life and our town program is considered a powerhouse. However, in my estimation the best thing for him was to reclass and attend a prep school to get him ready academically and athletically for the next level. Since he reclassed he committed to a mid D1 and his grades have never been better, so for us it was definitely the right move. Now the flip side of that is the people that held their kid back in kindergarten, had their kid reclass in 8th grade and plan on having their kid do a PG year so that when they start college they will be 20 years old, which I know for a fact goes on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love when everyone says Reclassed....When I went to school it was called "Left back "

Originally Posted by Anonymous

amazed to see a handful of 2019 kids all re classify to 2020 . are they all in 8th grade again or just going to take a PG year .

UNC and Ohio State both have commits that will be impact players in college. Several of the kids they took early were standouts at showcases and tournaments; players capable of single handedly changing the outcome of games. I do not understand some of the recent commits at other schools. Most of those players look like all of the other good players, especially at midfield. The coaches must have a crystal ball when it comes to projecting how those kids will develop.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC and Ohio State both have commits that will be impact players in college. Several of the kids they took early were standouts at showcases and tournaments; players capable of single handedly changing the outcome of games. I do not understand some of the recent commits at other schools. Most of those players look like all of the other good players, especially at midfield. The coaches must have a crystal ball when it comes to projecting how those kids will develop.

How would you know what kids are impact kids .. I heard JHU and Michigan have the top impact kids..so it's anyone's guess..get real..anyone who commits this early is making a mistake in my opinion unless you are already 17 and have a better idea

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC and Ohio State both have commits that will be impact players in college. Several of the kids they took early were standouts at showcases and tournaments; players capable of single handedly changing the outcome of games.

Im not sure. If you watched two of thebig osu commits in a game against a real team (like maybe laxachusetts on Sunday, not one of the the "I'm a midfielder with a split dodge so I look awesome" showcase game), you would have seen while they are beasts right now, unless they continue to grow even more or drastically improve, they are by no means guaranteed to be d1 stars. Now, if they do continue to grow and develop they may end up to be studs. But other kids have 4 years to catch them before any of the kids set foot on a college field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC and Ohio State both have commits that will be impact players in college. Several of the kids they took early were standouts at showcases and tournaments; players capable of single handedly changing the outcome of games.

Im not sure. If you watched two of thebig osu commits in a game against a real team (like maybe laxachusetts on Sunday, not one of the the "I'm a midfielder with a split dodge so I look awesome" showcase game), you would have seen while they are beasts right now, unless they continue to grow even more or drastically improve, they are by no means guaranteed to be d1 stars. Now, if they do continue to grow and develop they may end up to be studs. But other kids have 4 years to catch them before any of the kids set foot on a college field.

Speaking of Laxachusetts, how many of the kids on that team were born before 9/1/00? That team got a lot bigger, in size and number, between last summer and this fall.

why did the Brine National Lacrosse tournament thread get taken off of the site?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why did the Brine National Lacrosse tournament thread get taken off of the site?

The tryouts are over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC and Ohio State both have commits that will be impact players in college. Several of the kids they took early were standouts at showcases and tournaments; players capable of single handedly changing the outcome of games.

Im not sure. If you watched two of thebig osu commits in a game against a real team (like maybe laxachusetts on Sunday, not one of the the "I'm a midfielder with a split dodge so I look awesome" showcase game), you would have seen while they are beasts right now, unless they continue to grow even more or drastically improve, they are by no means guaranteed to be d1 stars. Now, if they do continue to grow and develop they may end up to be studs. But other kids have 4 years to catch them before any of the kids set foot on a college field.

Speaking of Laxachusetts, how many of the kids on that team were born before 9/1/00? That team got a lot bigger, in size and number, between last summer and this fall.

Google some of the "all star" players, you will see they were once 2018. I don't think they keep it a secret.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC and Ohio State both have commits that will be impact players in college. Several of the kids they took early were standouts at showcases and tournaments; players capable of single handedly changing the outcome of games.

Im not sure. If you watched two of thebig osu commits in a game against a real team (like maybe laxachusetts on Sunday, not one of the the "I'm a midfielder with a split dodge so I look awesome" showcase game), you would have seen while they are beasts right now, unless they continue to grow even more or drastically improve, they are by no means guaranteed to be d1 stars. Now, if they do continue to grow and develop they may end up to be studs. But other kids have 4 years to catch them before any of the kids set foot on a college field.

Speaking of Laxachusetts, how many of the kids on that team were born before 9/1/00? That team got a lot bigger, in size and number, between last summer and this fall.

I would guess maybe half? I know their two big A used to be 2018s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC and Ohio State both have commits that will be impact players in college. Several of the kids they took early were standouts at showcases and tournaments; players capable of single handedly changing the outcome of games.

Im not sure. If you watched two of thebig osu commits in a game against a real team (like maybe laxachusetts on Sunday, not one of the the "I'm a midfielder with a split dodge so I look awesome" showcase game), you would have seen while they are beasts right now, unless they continue to grow even more or drastically improve, they are by no means guaranteed to be d1 stars. Now, if they do continue to grow and develop they may end up to be studs. But other kids have 4 years to catch them before any of the kids set foot on a college field.

Speaking of Laxachusetts, how many of the kids on that team were born before 9/1/00? That team got a lot bigger, in size and number, between last summer and this fall.

I would guess maybe half? I know their two big A used to be 2018s.

Its too bad so many clubs are going to this model. I always laugh when a 2019 commit announcement links to a highlight video for a 2018.

Those reclasses better hurry up and commit though, because the physical advantage they have disappears pretty quickly as the kids move into their sophomore year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC and Ohio State both have commits that will be impact players in college. Several of the kids they took early were standouts at showcases and tournaments; players capable of single handedly changing the outcome of games.

Im not sure. If you watched two of thebig osu commits in a game against a real team (like maybe laxachusetts on Sunday, not one of the the "I'm a midfielder with a split dodge so I look awesome" showcase game), you would have seen while they are beasts right now, unless they continue to grow even more or drastically improve, they are by no means guaranteed to be d1 stars. Now, if they do continue to grow and develop they may end up to be studs. But other kids have 4 years to catch them before any of the kids set foot on a college field.

Speaking of Laxachusetts, how many of the kids on that team were born before 9/1/00? That team got a lot bigger, in size and number, between last summer and this fall.

I would guess maybe half? I know their two big A used to be 2018s.

Its too bad so many clubs are going to this model. I always laugh when a 2019 commit announcement links to a highlight video for a 2018.

Those reclasses better hurry up and commit though, because the physical advantage they have disappears pretty quickly as the kids move into their sophomore year.

Why would you say "so many clubs going to this model"?

I would say "so many parents are going to this model".

Here is the new trick: Tell them you are going PG, drop down a class, hopefully you get better looks versus younger field. Then use it as an option to go NESCAC if your grades are good enough.

When is all this "redshirt" nonsense going to end. Why don't they just do it by birth year like they do in youth hockey?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is the new trick: Tell them you are going PG, drop down a class, hopefully you get better looks versus younger field. Then use it as an option to go NESCAC if your grades are good enough.

Ok I have to call you out on this. I have a few questions:

1. Who are you telling you are going PG?
2. Use what as an option to go to a NESCAC?
3. You think PG'ing is a new trick?

Heres my two cents on this. When a kid decides to PG he is doing it for one of two reasons, he is verballed to a school who is telling him to PG or he is trying to get into a school he might not have been able to before. You dont have to go PG to go to a NESCAC, if youre grades are good enough and your a good lacrosse player, the NESCACS will take you. As far as this being a "new trick", sorry but this has been going on for a long, long time, Prep schools are filled with PG's every year.

Doing a PG year is a legitimate option for a lot of kids and it is usually mutually beneficial for the kid and the school he is committed or will be committing too. Perfect example is Justin Guterding of Duke. He had a great career at Garden City and did a PG year at Salisbury. Hes killing it at Duke and I bet if you talked to him he would attribute a lot of that success to having that extra year and Im sure it has also helped him tremendously academically as well. Club coaches, high school coaches and especially college coaches are strong proponents of PG years when they feel it is necessary. If your kid is good enough on the field and off it to get into his 1st choice of schools, great for him, but the reality is for a lot of kids thats just not the case.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC and Ohio State both have commits that will be impact players in college. Several of the kids they took early were standouts at showcases and tournaments; players capable of single handedly changing the outcome of games.

Im not sure. If you watched two of thebig osu commits in a game against a real team (like maybe laxachusetts on Sunday, not one of the the "I'm a midfielder with a split dodge so I look awesome" showcase game), you would have seen while they are beasts right now, unless they continue to grow even more or drastically improve, they are by no means guaranteed to be d1 stars. Now, if they do continue to grow and develop they may end up to be studs. But other kids have 4 years to catch them before any of the kids set foot on a college field.

Speaking of Laxachusetts, how many of the kids on that team were born before 9/1/00? That team got a lot bigger, in size and number, between last summer and this fall.

I would guess maybe half? I know their two big A used to be 2018s.

Its too bad so many clubs are going to this model. I always laugh when a 2019 commit announcement links to a highlight video for a 2018.

Those reclasses better hurry up and commit though, because the physical advantage they have disappears pretty quickly as the kids move into their sophomore year.

Why would you say "so many clubs going to this model"?

I would say "so many parents are going to this model".

Because I know of at least one "Elite" club program that is just moving players down to lower teams without having them repeat a grade or declare that they will PG. It is only done with the hopes that they will stand out in front of coaches when playing younger competition.

I guess they will PG if a coach shows interest in them as a 2019? And if they don't draw interest then what?

Im not sure. If you watched two of thebig osu commits in a game against a real team (like maybe laxachusetts on Sunday, not one of the the "I'm a midfielder with a split dodge so I look awesome" showcase game), you would have seen while they are beasts right now, unless they continue to grow even more or drastically improve, they are by no means guaranteed to be d1 stars. Now, if they do continue to grow and develop they may end up to be studs. But other kids have 4 years to catch them before any of the kids set foot on a college field. [/quote]

Speaking of Laxachusetts, how many of the kids on that team were born before 9/1/00? That team got a lot bigger, in size and number, between last summer and this fall. [/quote]

I would guess maybe half? I know their two big A used to be 2018s. [/quote]

Its too bad so many clubs are going to this model. I always laugh when a 2019 commit announcement links to a highlight video for a 2018.

Those reclasses better hurry up and commit though, because the physical advantage they have disappears pretty quickly as the kids move into their sophomore year. [/quote]

Why would you say "so many clubs going to this model"?

I would say "so many parents are going to this model".
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Because I know of at least one "Elite" club program that is just moving players down to lower teams without having them repeat a grade or declare that they will PG. It is only done with the hopes that they will stand out in front of coaches when playing younger competition.

I guess they will PG if a coach shows interest in them as a 2019? And if they don't draw interest then what? [/quote]

Edge Lacrosse (Canada) plays ALL of their teams down an age group. Not new.

Speaking of Laxachusetts, how many of the kids on that team were born before 9/1/00? That team got a lot bigger, in size and number, between last summer and this fall. [/quote]

I would guess maybe half? I know their two big A used to be 2018s. [/quote]

Its too bad so many clubs are going to this model. I always laugh when a 2019 commit announcement links to a highlight video for a 2018.

Those reclasses better hurry up and commit though, because the physical advantage they have disappears pretty quickly as the kids move into their sophomore year. [/quote]

Why would you say "so many clubs going to this model"?

I would say "so many parents are going to this model".
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Because I know of at least one "Elite" club program that is just moving players down to lower teams without having them repeat a grade or declare that they will PG. It is only done with the hopes that they will stand out in front of coaches when playing younger competition.

I guess they will PG if a coach shows interest in them as a 2019? And if they don't draw interest then what? [/quote]

Edge Lacrosse (Canada) plays ALL of their teams down an age group. Not new. [/quote]

How is it possible that tournaments allow a program to register their teams down? Wouldn't liability issues preclude such a practice? Entire teams playing down is entirely different than individual players form a liability standpoint.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge Lacrosse (Canada) plays ALL of their teams down an age group. Not new.

How is it possible that tournaments allow a program to register their teams down? Wouldn't liability issues preclude such a practice? Entire teams playing down is entirely different than individual players form a liability standpoint. [/quote]

It's because they're not technically "playing down". Many of their school system (it may be province-dependent) have an extra year built in.
2019 is a graduation year; to us it means 12th grade. To someone else it might mean 10th grade or college.
If you go to "13th grade" and then graduate in 2019, you are technically a 2019.

What are you talking about ? Makes no sense.

Playing down had a huge negative stigma when I was a kid. The cool thing used to be playing up. The grade based system in lacrosse is there to accommodate a demographic that will pay a lot for an expensive sport that will broker back some advantages for those who can afford it. Club lacrosse is a great business model because of that. In other sports a kid needs to stand out on his own. In lacrosse you can broker it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge Lacrosse (Canada) plays ALL of their teams down an age group. Not new.

How is it possible that tournaments allow a program to register their teams down? Wouldn't liability issues preclude such a practice? Entire teams playing down is entirely different than individual players form a liability standpoint.

It's because they're not technically "playing down". Many of their school system (it may be province-dependent) have an extra year built in.
2019 is a graduation year; to us it means 12th grade. To someone else it might mean 10th grade or college.
If you go to "13th grade" and then graduate in 2019, you are technically a 2019. [/quote]

Basically, Canada views 2019 as when you enter college (grad hs in 2018, PG)
USA views 2019 as when you grad HS (which is what it is supposed to represent for these tourneys.
Coaches dont care because they get their hands on recruits at the same time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playing down had a huge negative stigma when I was a kid. The cool thing used to be playing up. The grade based system in lacrosse is there to accommodate a demographic that will pay a lot for an expensive sport that will broker back some advantages for those who can afford it. Club lacrosse is a great business model because of that. In other sports a kid needs to stand out on his own. In lacrosse you can broker it.

pretty sure that Soccer, Baseball, Basketball, hockey all play age based in competitive "club" non-scholastic settings. Just about all of the scouting and recruiting is done in through the non-scholastic or club circuit in the sports mentioned.

I think you missed the PP's point. There is club play in other sports, but none of those other sports institutionalize playing down. The only sports I can think of where an out of age sample kid plays down is in football or wrestling where the classes are weight and not pure age driven. The point that parents can be fixers to repeat and hide a boy in private schools a year behind is a lacrosse strategy, and thus far a good one. I would guess that if the recruiting rules stated nothing until junior year we'd see a lot less of that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge Lacrosse (Canada) plays ALL of their teams down an age group. Not new.

How is it possible that tournaments allow a program to register their teams down? Wouldn't liability issues preclude such a practice? Entire teams playing down is entirely different than individual players form a liability standpoint.

It's because they're not technically "playing down". Many of their school system (it may be province-dependent) have an extra year built in.
2019 is a graduation year; to us it means 12th grade. To someone else it might mean 10th grade or college.
If you go to "13th grade" and then graduate in 2019, you are technically a 2019.

Basically, Canada views 2019 as when you enter college (grad hs in 2018, PG)
USA views 2019 as when you grad HS (which is what it is supposed to represent for these tourneys.
Coaches dont care because they get their hands on recruits at the same time. [/quote]

All of the Edge teams play against competition that is at least one year younger than the age of every kid on their roster. I don't believe there is anything technically kosher with what they do. The program claims each kid has pledged to do a PG year after HS graduation and that is how they justify it. College coaches couldn't care less so they are fee to do what they want with their program. I agree, if I'm running a tournament, I want disclaimers posted so I am not held liable if a kid gets hurt.

US Lacrosse just has to mandate that tourneys are age specific. It will not happen because US Lacrosse has 0 leadership and authority.

Who cares. Edge is a very good team with good skills. I would bunch them in with the top 5 or 6 teams. They don't dominate any of the good teams. I would rather compete with them than play a quasi town/weak club team and win 12-2.
It's about development and playing under competitive pressure. Most of the top players play for their HS and against bigger kids. Getting used to being uncomfortable will surely build character.

They are a bunch of cheats like the crabs. They can't excel against age appropriate kids. Therefore they have to play down against younger teams in order to look good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are a bunch of cheats like the crabs. They can't excel against age appropriate kids. Therefore they have to play down against younger teams in order to look good.

Why do you call the crabs cheats? Name one club that doesn't have holdbacks and I will call you out for being a liar. Stop being jealous of the crabs because you can't beat them.

It's not the hold backs, dope. It is when they bring some 2019s to play 2020 that makes them cheats.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are a bunch of cheats like the crabs. They can't excel against age appropriate kids. Therefore they have to play down against younger teams in order to look good.

Why do you call the crabs cheats? Name one club that doesn't have holdbacks and I will call you out for being a liar. Stop being jealous of the crabs because you can't beat them.

You are fooling yourself if you think anyone is jealous of Crabs. It is a scum organization with scumbag Ryan M leading all the dishonesty. You are also in no position to call anyone a liar. Crabs 2020 has 3 that did pre first and then held back in middle school and this clearly puts them in the 2018 range. Crabs 2020 is the oldest 2020 team in Maryland and has more holdbacks than anyone in Md. It is very close to most of the team are holdbacks. Deny it all you want and then you are the liar. At times it is hard to be crabs 2020 since they are 15 years old and some are approaching 16 by next spring/summer. But it must make Ryan M any everyone else feel good that their older kids can beat younger kids. It was stated elsewhere on this form, look at what happened to Crabs last summer at Vail when they could only play age appropriate kids and had to leave the holdbacks at home. They got crushed. So keep up your bs because no one is buying it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are a bunch of cheats like the crabs. They can't excel against age appropriate kids. Therefore they have to play down against younger teams in order to look good.

Why do you call the crabs cheats? Name one club that doesn't have holdbacks and I will call you out for being a liar. Stop being jealous of the crabs because you can't beat them.

I don't know if one hold back on any of the 91 teams at the 2019 level. .if I am wrong I apologize

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are a bunch of cheats like the crabs. They can't excel against age appropriate kids. Therefore they have to play down against younger teams in order to look good.

Why do you call the crabs cheats? Name one club that doesn't have holdbacks and I will call you out for being a liar. Stop being jealous of the crabs because you can't beat them.

I don't know if one hold back on any of the 91 teams at the 2019 level. .if I am wrong I apologize

Crush gained some hold backs this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are a bunch of cheats like the crabs. They can't excel against age appropriate kids. Therefore they have to play down against younger teams in order to look good.

Why do you call the crabs cheats? Name one club that doesn't have holdbacks and I will call you out for being a liar. Stop being jealous of the crabs because you can't beat them.

I don't know if one hold back on any of the 91 teams at the 2019 level. .if I am wrong I apologize

Crush gained some hold backs this year

Yes that is true, the organization condones the holdback. Several of their teams have them.

Says a crab daddy to deflect criticism Crush has two both undersized doing for the correct reason and 19 orange has one Please stop and enjoy your holiday

OMG - almost the entire starting lineup on Crabs 2020 are Holdbacks. Crabs parents trying to defend their antics by pointing at other clubs because of one or two kids is absurd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Says a crab daddy to deflect criticism Crush has two both undersized doing for the correct reason and 19 orange has one Please stop and enjoy your holiday

What is the correct reason? Don't like the genetic hand you were dealt, so just let daddy fix it? Pathetic!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Says a crab daddy to deflect criticism Crush has two both undersized doing for the correct reason and 19 orange has one Please stop and enjoy your holiday

A cheat is a cheat.either the team plays with ethics or they dont. Point is very few do. They cut on age kids and take holdbacks. One holdback makes you no better than the team with 10!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Says a crab daddy to deflect criticism Crush has two both undersized doing for the correct reason and 19 orange has one Please stop and enjoy your holiday

A cheat is a cheat.either the team plays with ethics or they dont. Point is very few do. They cut on age kids and take holdbacks. One holdback makes you no better than the team with 10!

I completely hate this entire holdback system and would much prefer to see age appropriate divisions, like soccer or the way youth lacrosse use to be. Some, and it covers both NY and MD. plus other areas, discovered a way to get an "advantage" with the graduation year set up. Don't know about other areas but in Md Crabs is by far the BIGGEST offender of this and takes it to the utmost limits. Crabs founder, Ryan M is the leader of this and I am told 99% of Crab players are held back for the sole purpose of having an older/bigger kid play against younger/smaller kids. This is just pathetic on so many fronts but yet it is running ramped and will continue until someone/something steps in and puts a stop to it. If a kid is held back for pure academic reasons, and I mean true academic reasons I can understand this but his age doesn't change and he would have to play with an age appropriate team. Many use this as a reason that they are holding their kid back but it is pure bs. I don't know how to stop this, I am sure there is a way but someone needs to step up and take the lead. There will be great pushback from Ryan M and his kind but it could be done. The excuse college coaches like this is not true. I agree with you in theory that one or ten holdbacks is cheating but when you have organizations like Crabs leading the way, it is well beyond cheating. That organization will ruin lacrosse if this continues. Rant over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares. Edge is a very good team with good skills. I would bunch them in with the top 5 or 6 teams. They don't dominate any of the good teams. I would rather compete with them than play a quasi town/weak club team and win 12-2.
It's about development and playing under competitive pressure. Most of the top players play for their HS and against bigger kids. Getting used to being uncomfortable will surely build character.

Who cares? The kid who's spot is taken by an older Edge player. The parent feels pressured to hold their kid back because of the proliferation of clubs like Edge and their BS practices. The kid who hasn't hit puberty yet playing against Paul Bunyon and gets hurt. The parent who's kid loses scholarship money to an older Canadian kid.....

Tournaments have no way to police individual holdbacks, but they can force programs to play their teams in the appropriate division. If you want to get the holdback advantage, actually go through the expensive process of being held back.

I agree with all of the points that it is tainted to stage kids so they can play down and dominate. My question to the other posters is,

With that as a given, why are college lacrosse coaches so smitten with it? Just me asking, but is there something more they see here than a 15 year old blowing up smaller 13 year olds in 8th grade? Most 15 year olds who are decent athletes will dominate younger and smaller kids, not just in lacrosse but in every sport I've had kids in. This recruiting angle seems really strange to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree with all of the points that it is tainted to stage kids so they can play down and dominate. My question to the other posters is,

With that as a given, why are college lacrosse coaches so smitten with it? Just me asking, but is there something more they see here than a 15 year old blowing up smaller 13 year olds in 8th grade? Most 15 year olds who are decent athletes will dominate younger and smaller kids, not just in lacrosse but in every sport I've had kids in. This recruiting angle seems really strange to me.

The coaches logic is that they are going to get a freshman that is 19 or maybe 20 years old. At that age every year of maturity counts not only physically but also mentally. There is also being more responsible at an older age.

I am a first time poster. I have had kids who played for Madlax over the past 8 years. I think what a lot of the cynical posters writes is unfortunately accurate. My oldest didn't live this early process or was he urged to repeat a grade, but with my younger son who is now a 2020 I see it all the time. It is a family decision, but it is also a family decision on the advice of the club lacrosse people who tell kids and families to reclassify if you want to be a high level recruit. It is basically saying "if you want our help to place your son, here is what he should do".

The prep school people are also there waiting for your buy in to take a kid as a repeating 8th grader. The most top prep schools for lacrosse in Southern Maryland and in Baltimore have middle schools. The ones who don't have "feeder" middle schools. The old joke in Montgomery County Maryland is calling Mater Dei "Mater Delay" and some other jokes about a student parking lot at the middle school.

I had one kid go through Mater Dei as an on-age kid from K-8th, and I was absolutely clueless about other dads joking that my son better enjoy his playing time in 6th grade because come 8th grade there will be a bunch of redshirt ringers coming to keep him off the football field, the basketball court and the lacrosse field. Then I was revolted when exactly that did happen. Lacrosse in our area is basically Mater Delay kids stocking Georgetown Prep and Gonzaga, and then Landon and Bullis with legions of repeat 8th graders stocking their teams every year. One of the reasons why Landon's JV team is better than most public varsities is their team is stocked with 16 year old freshmen and 17 year old sophs who aren't up on varsity yet. It used to be a big deal when a 9th grader was a varsity member on one of these teams. Now it is no big deal at all...there are tons of 16 year old 9th graders now who play varsity, and even if they don't belong there on ability the prep coach rather has to keep them there to keep the peace. These parents would go nuts if their son the commit or their son the recruit was sullied by playing JV. They'd rather be last on the bench varsity than play on a team where their level of play belongs. And none of the prep coaches have the guts to run their own program because the parents will literally run them out of town.

There isn't a need for anyone to be defensive about it. Are a lot of the kids on Madlax Capital repeaters? Yes. Are MOST of the Crabs kids repeaters who did a middle school repeat year and/or a pre-first meaning they are old for grade anyways? Yes, almost 100%. I've heard all the reasoning about pre-first being the Baltimore private school tradition for decades which has nothing to do with sports advantage for boys and frankly I don't buy it. I think that in Baltimore this was institutionalized all the way back in the 1960s and 1970s to give boys more confindence and maturity when they are young. One of the ways all boys gain confidence is sports. Back then it was likely people just didn't notice or think as much about it because the world wasn't like this where college recruiting means kids are in or out once they are in middle school for colleges! It gets a lot of attention because of the crazy things in lacrosse recruiting. Given all that, I just don't understand all the denials and lying. Nearly every single kid playing high level club and MIAA prep lacrosse in Baltimore County is one year too old with the pre-first year or is two years old for his class if he also did a repeat middle school year. The second happens a lot...kids just transfer from one MIAA prep middle school to another. I would guesstimate that over 50% of the kids on any Crabs 8th grade team over the past 5 years turned 15 before the spring NPYLL season. And I know it is a fact for the recent 2 Crabs 8th grade teams.

College kids have the same problems being responsible at 20 as they do as 18 year olds. I was guilty of that. Not getting the older is better thing either. In football players are auto redshirted so they can gain 30-50 pounds in the weight room at many positions. It is also a sport that allows 85 scholarships for 11 spots at a time on the field. You can fully scholarship 5 QBs. In basketball they don't redshirt guys. In soccer, swimming, baseball, etc they don't. Going back in lacrosse to the 1990s or 1980s did the top players then struggle as 18 year old freshmen against older players? I don't think so. Once you are 18-19 you are good enough or you are not. If you are a middle school kid playing against kids a year or two younger, there just isn't any way to see that as an outlier. I'd feel differently if I saw a 14 year old 2019 kid tearing it up on a 2018 or 2017 team. But I've never seen that at a club lacrosse event.

Did all of these lacrosse coaches read Gulliver's Travels and get carried away? A 16 year old 6'3 9th grader probably is not going to grow to 10 feet tall.

Living on Long Island and my son playing on one of the top teams we already knew this but it's nice to hear it from the horses mouth. We see these "Mater Delay" kids and do our best against them. Most times we win sometimes we lose great lacrosse beats Big Lacrosse anyday. But we keep our head high and it just makes us train and play harder than ever. I feel sorry for those kids who are repeating 8th grade..watching their best friend graduate sometimes 2 years ahead of him. And we will see you again this summer so "Bring it on Big Guys !!!"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a first time poster. I have had kids who played for Madlax over the past 8 years. I think what a lot of the cynical posters writes is unfortunately accurate. My oldest didn't live this early process or was he urged to repeat a grade, but with my younger son who is now a 2020 I see it all the time. It is a family decision, but it is also a family decision on the advice of the club lacrosse people who tell kids and families to reclassify if you want to be a high level recruit. It is basically saying "if you want our help to place your son, here is what he should do".

The prep school people are also there waiting for your buy in to take a kid as a repeating 8th grader. The most top prep schools for lacrosse in Southern Maryland and in Baltimore have middle schools. The ones who don't have "feeder" middle schools. The old joke in Montgomery County Maryland is calling Mater Dei "Mater Delay" and some other jokes about a student parking lot at the middle school.

I had one kid go through Mater Dei as an on-age kid from K-8th, and I was absolutely clueless about other dads joking that my son better enjoy his playing time in 6th grade because come 8th grade there will be a bunch of redshirt ringers coming to keep him off the football field, the basketball court and the lacrosse field. Then I was revolted when exactly that did happen. Lacrosse in our area is basically Mater Delay kids stocking Georgetown Prep and Gonzaga, and then Landon and Bullis with legions of repeat 8th graders stocking their teams every year. One of the reasons why Landon's JV team is better than most public varsities is their team is stocked with 16 year old freshmen and 17 year old sophs who aren't up on varsity yet. It used to be a big deal when a 9th grader was a varsity member on one of these teams. Now it is no big deal at all...there are tons of 16 year old 9th graders now who play varsity, and even if they don't belong there on ability the prep coach rather has to keep them there to keep the peace. These parents would go nuts if their son the commit or their son the recruit was sullied by playing JV. They'd rather be last on the bench varsity than play on a team where their level of play belongs. And none of the prep coaches have the guts to run their own program because the parents will literally run them out of town.

There isn't a need for anyone to be defensive about it. Are a lot of the kids on Madlax Capital repeaters? Yes. Are MOST of the Crabs kids repeaters who did a middle school repeat year and/or a pre-first meaning they are old for grade anyways? Yes, almost 100%. I've heard all the reasoning about pre-first being the Baltimore private school tradition for decades which has nothing to do with sports advantage for boys and frankly I don't buy it. I think that in Baltimore this was institutionalized all the way back in the 1960s and 1970s to give boys more confindence and maturity when they are young. One of the ways all boys gain confidence is sports. Back then it was likely people just didn't notice or think as much about it because the world wasn't like this where college recruiting means kids are in or out once they are in middle school for colleges! It gets a lot of attention because of the crazy things in lacrosse recruiting. Given all that, I just don't understand all the denials and lying. Nearly every single kid playing high level club and MIAA prep lacrosse in Baltimore County is one year too old with the pre-first year or is two years old for his class if he also did a repeat middle school year. The second happens a lot...kids just transfer from one MIAA prep middle school to another. I would guesstimate that over 50% of the kids on any Crabs 8th grade team over the past 5 years turned 15 before the spring NPYLL season. And I know it is a fact for the recent 2 Crabs 8th grade teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a first time poster. I have had kids who played for Madlax over the past 8 years. I think what a lot of the cynical posters writes is unfortunately accurate. My oldest didn't live this early process or was he urged to repeat a grade, but with my younger son who is now a 2020 I see it all the time. It is a family decision, but it is also a family decision on the advice of the club lacrosse people who tell kids and families to reclassify if you want to be a high level recruit. It is basically saying "if you want our help to place your son, here is what he should do".

The prep school people are also there waiting for your buy in to take a kid as a repeating 8th grader. The most top prep schools for lacrosse in Southern Maryland and in Baltimore have middle schools. The ones who don't have "feeder" middle schools. The old joke in Montgomery County Maryland is calling Mater Dei "Mater Delay" and some other jokes about a student parking lot at the middle school.

I had one kid go through Mater Dei as an on-age kid from K-8th, and I was absolutely clueless about other dads joking that my son better enjoy his playing time in 6th grade because come 8th grade there will be a bunch of redshirt ringers coming to keep him off the football field, the basketball court and the lacrosse field. Then I was revolted when exactly that did happen. Lacrosse in our area is basically Mater Delay kids stocking Georgetown Prep and Gonzaga, and then Landon and Bullis with legions of repeat 8th graders stocking their teams every year. One of the reasons why Landon's JV team is better than most public varsities is their team is stocked with 16 year old freshmen and 17 year old sophs who aren't up on varsity yet. It used to be a big deal when a 9th grader was a varsity member on one of these teams. Now it is no big deal at all...there are tons of 16 year old 9th graders now who play varsity, and even if they don't belong there on ability the prep coach rather has to keep them there to keep the peace. These parents would go nuts if their son the commit or their son the recruit was sullied by playing JV. They'd rather be last on the bench varsity than play on a team where their level of play belongs. And none of the prep coaches have the guts to run their own program because the parents will literally run them out of town.

There isn't a need for anyone to be defensive about it. Are a lot of the kids on Madlax Capital repeaters? Yes. Are MOST of the Crabs kids repeaters who did a middle school repeat year and/or a pre-first meaning they are old for grade anyways? Yes, almost 100%. I've heard all the reasoning about pre-first being the Baltimore private school tradition for decades which has nothing to do with sports advantage for boys and frankly I don't buy it. I think that in Baltimore this was institutionalized all the way back in the 1960s and 1970s to give boys more confindence and maturity when they are young. One of the ways all boys gain confidence is sports. Back then it was likely people just didn't notice or think as much about it because the world wasn't like this where college recruiting means kids are in or out once they are in middle school for colleges! It gets a lot of attention because of the crazy things in lacrosse recruiting. Given all that, I just don't understand all the denials and lying. Nearly every single kid playing high level club and MIAA prep lacrosse in Baltimore County is one year too old with the pre-first year or is two years old for his class if he also did a repeat middle school year. The second happens a lot...kids just transfer from one MIAA prep middle school to another. I would guesstimate that over 50% of the kids on any Crabs 8th grade team over the past 5 years turned 15 before the spring NPYLL season. And I know it is a fact for the recent 2 Crabs 8th grade teams.

Thanks. Nice to see someone posting actual information and experience not just unsubstantiated gross generalizations.

Coaches at top programs really only care about 6-8 kids in a recruiting class of 12-15. Out of those 6-8 kids there is maybe 3-4 players they know will be stud impact guys and 3-4 players that will contribute and add something as they get older and develop throughout the program. The remaining kids in the other half of the class are just practice bodies. Sometimes people need to remember that these d1 teams only have about 20 guys consistently getting important PT. I think this is what Tillman is doing at MD right now, but at a ridiculously accelerated pace.

The only kids who pay a price for this are the ones on elite programs but the kids should be good enough to handle it..the lower level teams never play these kids so don't worry. It can only make the other kids better

I am the Madlax poste from earlier. Here is my second post. I have an older son who is a 2017. I truly believe that a watershed event for Crabs was my son's 8th grade year in the spring. That spring the U-15 West Coast Stars came east and beat Madlax soundly and played Crabs to the buzzer. That summer Crabs U-15s lost frequently and only won one summer tournament. Madlax Capital U-15s my son played on did not win a summer tournament. Come fall Ryan McClernan pushed very hard for grade based teams for all youth levels and he stuffed it through within the next year. Nobody around DC or Maryland got in his way and most of the other club owners including ours went along with it. Ryan's reasons were primarily that his age based teams were starting to lose. I think with the growth of lacrosse that happens over time anyways but around here nobody believes that. Ryan basically runs the NPYLL and controls the best summer tournaments including Young Gunz or Crabfeast. Get in his way or on his wrong side and your club is out of these leagues and tournaments. Very powerful person in Mid-Atlantic lacrosse. I doubt you will see a return to age based teams without a fight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am the Madlax poste from earlier. Here is my second post. I have an older son who is a 2017. I truly believe that a watershed event for Crabs was my son's 8th grade year in the spring. That spring the U-15 West Coast Stars came east and beat Madlax soundly and played Crabs to the buzzer. That summer Crabs U-15s lost frequently and only won one summer tournament. Madlax Capital U-15s my son played on did not win a summer tournament. Come fall Ryan McClernan pushed very hard for grade based teams for all youth levels and he stuffed it through within the next year. Nobody around DC or Maryland got in his way and most of the other club owners including ours went along with it. Ryan's reasons were primarily that his age based teams were starting to lose. I think with the growth of lacrosse that happens over time anyways but around here nobody believes that. Ryan basically runs the NPYLL and controls the best summer tournaments including Young Gunz or Crabfeast. Get in his way or on his wrong side and your club is out of these leagues and tournaments. Very powerful person in Mid-Atlantic lacrosse. I doubt you will see a return to age based teams without a fight.

Totally agree with you about Ryan M. He is a total pos and is in it for himself and the money. He wants to walk his fat [lacrosse] around claiming he has the best 2020 team and that he is a superior lax coach, which he isn't. I have seen him at games and his behavior is pitiful. Seen him belittle his players, throw his hat on the ground and acts like he is some kind of superior being. I would like to see someone or some organization take him on and put an end to his bs. His present 2020 team is almost all holdbacks even to the point of a few double holdbacks which puts them close to 16 years old by next spring. Yet Crabs parents/fans keep denying this, yet the entire lacrosse world in Maryland know it is true. Go on the Crabs website and read his lacrosse coaching bio, it is a complete joke, he is in it for the money and to able to walk around like he is the king of youth lacrosse. If his 2020 team had to play with age appropriate players they would be a very weak team, they simply would be at best an A team and nowhere near a AA team. He needs to be taken out of youth lacrosse for the good of the game and for the safety of other players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

College kids have the same problems being responsible at 20 as they do as 18 year olds. I was guilty of that. Not getting the older is better thing either. In football players are auto redshirted so they can gain 30-50 pounds in the weight room at many positions. It is also a sport that allows 85 scholarships for 11 spots at a time on the field. You can fully scholarship 5 QBs. In basketball they don't redshirt guys. In soccer, swimming, baseball, etc they don't. Going back in lacrosse to the 1990s or 1980s did the top players then struggle as 18 year old freshmen against older players? I don't think so. Once you are 18-19 you are good enough or you are not. If you are a middle school kid playing against kids a year or two younger, there just isn't any way to see that as an outlier. I'd feel differently if I saw a 14 year old 2019 kid tearing it up on a 2018 or 2017 team. But I've never seen that at a club lacrosse event.

Did all of these lacrosse coaches read Gulliver's Travels and get carried away? A 16 year old 6'3 9th grader probably is not going to grow to 10 feet tall.

Sorry but at 18 you are a bit more immature than 20 in all aspects of your development. I played a D1 sport in college and as a freshman I rode the bench by Junior year I started every game till I graduated. Same person same skill just more mature and exposure to the game. Physically I was just stronger and my time spent in the gym really paid off. What a difference 2 years made in my overall maturity and physical presence. take a kid add in the fact they either did a repeat in 9th and then a PG where they are being groomed to play D1 lacrosse. Odds are they are committed so speaking to the college coach every other week and discussing their progress. This type of kid knows whats on the line. So As a coach I would take the 20 year old freshman over the 18 year old. Like you said a player can go to a PG year and really take minimal classes workout at the private school/boarding school and put on size in the gym and come in ready to play. If you say otherwise you don't know the inner working of these schools like Deerfield and Salisbury etc. They want to be #1 in the prep school world and take on players that normally wouldn't be able to attend. They even pay for their schooling. I know of a number of athletes that have done this.

In my opinion I feel if you are going to repeat or PG you still play with your age appropriate class and when its time to enter college you enter college as the year you are going to graduate. It is ridiculous when I hear about players who say they are going to PG yet they are still in their appropriate grade in school and play a year down. That is absolute BS. At least the repeats have to deal with the fact they are repeating. Also being a repeat doesn't always guarantee you will be on your travel teams top team there is a player that put his trust in a director of a very large club and by his recommendation repeated and now isn't even that club teams A team. Great kid and great family.

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

College kids have the same problems being responsible at 20 as they do as 18 year olds. I was guilty of that. Not getting the older is better thing either. In football players are auto redshirted so they can gain 30-50 pounds in the weight room at many positions. It is also a sport that allows 85 scholarships for 11 spots at a time on the field. You can fully scholarship 5 QBs. In basketball they don't redshirt guys. In soccer, swimming, baseball, etc they don't. Going back in lacrosse to the 1990s or 1980s did the top players then struggle as 18 year old freshmen against older players? I don't think so. Once you are 18-19 you are good enough or you are not. If you are a middle school kid playing against kids a year or two younger, there just isn't any way to see that as an outlier. I'd feel differently if I saw a 14 year old 2019 kid tearing it up on a 2018 or 2017 team. But I've never seen that at a club lacrosse event.

Did all of these lacrosse coaches read Gulliver's Travels and get carried away? A 16 year old 6'3 9th grader probably is not going to grow to 10 feet tall.

Sorry but at 18 you are a bit more immature than 20 in all aspects of your development. I played a D1 sport in college and as a freshman I rode the bench by Junior year I started every game till I graduated. Same person same skill just more mature and exposure to the game. Physically I was just stronger and my time spent in the gym really paid off. What a difference 2 years made in my overall maturity and physical presence. take a kid add in the fact they either did a repeat in 9th and then a PG where they are being groomed to play D1 lacrosse. Odds are they are committed so speaking to the college coach every other week and discussing their progress. This type of kid knows whats on the line. So As a coach I would take the 20 year old freshman over the 18 year old. Like you said a player can go to a PG year and really take minimal classes workout at the private school/boarding school and put on size in the gym and come in ready to play. If you say otherwise you don't know the inner working of these schools like Deerfield and Salisbury etc. They want to be #1 in the prep school world and take on players that normally wouldn't be able to attend. They even pay for their schooling. I know of a number of athletes that have done this.

In my opinion I feel if you are going to repeat or PG you still play with your age appropriate class and when its time to enter college you enter college as the year you are going to graduate. It is ridiculous when I hear about players who say they are going to PG yet they are still in their appropriate grade in school and play a year down. That is absolute BS. At least the repeats have to deal with the fact they are repeating. Also being a repeat doesn't always guarantee you will be on your travel teams top team there is a player that put his trust in a director of a very large club and by his recommendation repeated and now isn't even the starting on that club teams A team. He is a great player and from a great family

I concur with your maturity assessment. In my case, I put on almost 25 lbs of muscle from HS graduation until the start of my Sophomore year and was a completely different player. Increased confidence came with the muscle and strength. But, I think kids are training at a much younger age so perhaps they will be more physically mature without the holdback year(s).

Holdbacks can be policed by Tournament directors using birth date. Its really that simple. Now its like the Steroid Olympics with all the holdbacks and kids simply playing down w/o holding back. Pathetic really.

Thanks for the post. I do know a lot about the NE boarding schools. I went to one Founders League school and have two sons who attend another Founders League school, including one at Deerfield. I think much of what you wrote is at least partially incorrect. First, these preps aren't scholarship offering athletes. There is financial aid, but I would not confuse that with something else. Consider this, back in my era there were 2-3 PGs per year. They were always sports related, and they were always instances where a kid had already been recruited but could not qualify for admissions. These kids would be steered toward a Pg year in order to make it to Cornell for ice hockey or Columbia for soccer, etc. The HUGE difference now is schools like Deerfield, Loomis, Andover have blown up the numbers and take 30-40 PGs a year. What is the same is it is always sports and it is also almost always for an academic finishing year. Like a lacrosse kid who needs it to get into Duke, Princeton, etc. What I know as an alum and former board member at one and as an informed parent at another is THIS IS A BIG $$$$$$$ BUSINESS for these prep schools. There is a reason why Deerfield and Loomis are paying architects and evaluating contractors to build new PG only dorms on top of the huge PG numbers already in these schools, and it is not because they want to be #1 in a sport or beat their rival. Of course those things are nice, but the real reason is full paying families who want or need to have their kid PG for sports reasons in preppy sports like lacrosse is a treasure trove. If you want your kid to finish up a PG year at Deerfield and your kid is a top ranked or regarded lacrosse recruit, unless you have a family AGI under $75,000 for recent tax years...then start planning your family budget for a spare $60,000 to send him there.

Not sure I agree at all with you on the sports ages either. I see few lacrosse players who are reliant on the weight room for their success and my D1 sport was soccer. I have never in 30 years seen a 20 year old who suddenly looked like he belongs on the field who wasn't also an 18 year old who belonged on the field. In lacrosse people saw the Duke team that all got an extra year of eligibility in 2007 and everyone just assumed it was magical those players were a year older. That is nonsense. Crotty and the rest of them were just great players, period.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a first time poster. I have had kids who played for Madlax over the past 8 years. I think what a lot of the cynical posters writes is unfortunately accurate. My oldest didn't live this early process or was he urged to repeat a grade, but with my younger son who is now a 2020 I see it all the time. It is a family decision, but it is also a family decision on the advice of the club lacrosse people who tell kids and families to reclassify if you want to be a high level recruit. It is basically saying "if you want our help to place your son, here is what he should do".

The prep school people are also there waiting for your buy in to take a kid as a repeating 8th grader. The most top prep schools for lacrosse in Southern Maryland and in Baltimore have middle schools. The ones who don't have "feeder" middle schools. The old joke in Montgomery County Maryland is calling Mater Dei "Mater Delay" and some other jokes about a student parking lot at the middle school.

I had one kid go through Mater Dei as an on-age kid from K-8th, and I was absolutely clueless about other dads joking that my son better enjoy his playing time in 6th grade because come 8th grade there will be a bunch of redshirt ringers coming to keep him off the football field, the basketball court and the lacrosse field. Then I was revolted when exactly that did happen. Lacrosse in our area is basically Mater Delay kids stocking Georgetown Prep and Gonzaga, and then Landon and Bullis with legions of repeat 8th graders stocking their teams every year. One of the reasons why Landon's JV team is better than most public varsities is their team is stocked with 16 year old freshmen and 17 year old sophs who aren't up on varsity yet. It used to be a big deal when a 9th grader was a varsity member on one of these teams. Now it is no big deal at all...there are tons of 16 year old 9th graders now who play varsity, and even if they don't belong there on ability the prep coach rather has to keep them there to keep the peace. These parents would go nuts if their son the commit or their son the recruit was sullied by playing JV. They'd rather be last on the bench varsity than play on a team where their level of play belongs. And none of the prep coaches have the guts to run their own program because the parents will literally run them out of town.

There isn't a need for anyone to be defensive about it. Are a lot of the kids on Madlax Capital repeaters? Yes. Are MOST of the Crabs kids repeaters who did a middle school repeat year and/or a pre-first meaning they are old for grade anyways? Yes, almost 100%. I've heard all the reasoning about pre-first being the Baltimore private school tradition for decades which has nothing to do with sports advantage for boys and frankly I don't buy it. I think that in Baltimore this was institutionalized all the way back in the 1960s and 1970s to give boys more confindence and maturity when they are young. One of the ways all boys gain confidence is sports. Back then it was likely people just didn't notice or think as much about it because the world wasn't like this where college recruiting means kids are in or out once they are in middle school for colleges! It gets a lot of attention because of the crazy things in lacrosse recruiting. Given all that, I just don't understand all the denials and lying. Nearly every single kid playing high level club and MIAA prep lacrosse in Baltimore County is one year too old with the pre-first year or is two years old for his class if he also did a repeat middle school year. The second happens a lot...kids just transfer from one MIAA prep middle school to another. I would guesstimate that over 50% of the kids on any Crabs 8th grade team over the past 5 years turned 15 before the spring NPYLL season. And I know it is a fact for the recent 2 Crabs 8th grade teams.

Thanks. Nice to see someone posting actual information and experience not just unsubstantiated gross generalizations.

"Nearly every single kid playing high level club and MIAA prep lacrosse in Baltimore County is one year too old with the pre-first year or is two years old for his class if he also did a repeat middle school year."

This is a gross generalization. Certain schools and clubs promote this but not all. And certainly not public school kids. And there are AA players that stick with their public school. The percentage is more like 25-30%. Of which 3/4 are born June-July (2001 if 22020). The amount of kids that repeat for sports is bad enough. Exaggerating always cheapens an argument.

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

College kids have the same problems being responsible at 20 as they do as 18 year olds. I was guilty of that. Not getting the older is better thing either. In football players are auto redshirted so they can gain 30-50 pounds in the weight room at many positions. It is also a sport that allows 85 scholarships for 11 spots at a time on the field. You can fully scholarship 5 QBs. In basketball they don't redshirt guys. In soccer, swimming, baseball, etc they don't. Going back in lacrosse to the 1990s or 1980s did the top players then struggle as 18 year old freshmen against older players? I don't think so. Once you are 18-19 you are good enough or you are not. If you are a middle school kid playing against kids a year or two younger, there just isn't any way to see that as an outlier. I'd feel differently if I saw a 14 year old 2019 kid tearing it up on a 2018 or 2017 team. But I've never seen that at a club lacrosse event.

Did all of these lacrosse coaches read Gulliver's Travels and get carried away? A 16 year old 6'3 9th grader probably is not going to grow to 10 feet tall.

Sorry but at 18 you are a bit more immature than 20 in all aspects of your development. I played a D1 sport in college and as a freshman I rode the bench by Junior year I started every game till I graduated. Same person same skill just more mature and exposure to the game. Physically I was just stronger and my time spent in the gym really paid off. What a difference 2 years made in my overall maturity and physical presence. take a kid add in the fact they either did a repeat in 9th and then a PG where they are being groomed to play D1 lacrosse. Odds are they are committed so speaking to the college coach every other week and discussing their progress. This type of kid knows whats on the line. So As a coach I would take the 20 year old freshman over the 18 year old. Like you said a player can go to a PG year and really take minimal classes workout at the private school/boarding school and put on size in the gym and come in ready to play. If you say otherwise you don't know the inner working of these schools like Deerfield and Salisbury etc. They want to be #1 in the prep school world and take on players that normally wouldn't be able to attend. They even pay for their schooling. I know of a number of athletes that have done this.

In my opinion I feel if you are going to repeat or PG you still play with your age appropriate class and when its time to enter college you enter college as the year you are going to graduate. It is ridiculous when I hear about players who say they are going to PG yet they are still in their appropriate grade in school and play a year down. That is absolute BS. At least the repeats have to deal with the fact they are repeating. Also being a repeat doesn't always guarantee you will be on your travel teams top team there is a player that put his trust in a director of a very large club and by his recommendation repeated and now isn't even the starting on that club teams A team. Not deserved great player great family

I agree with most of what you said. But I don't think you had to single out a player at the end to say it. Shame on you!

Why, please stop it? This year I hope you school yourself on Brine before you inject yourself and single out players again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

College kids have the same problems being responsible at 20 as they do as 18 year olds. I was guilty of that. Not getting the older is better thing either. In football players are auto redshirted so they can gain 30-50 pounds in the weight room at many positions. It is also a sport that allows 85 scholarships for 11 spots at a time on the field. You can fully scholarship 5 QBs. In basketball they don't redshirt guys. In soccer, swimming, baseball, etc they don't. Going back in lacrosse to the 1990s or 1980s did the top players then struggle as 18 year old freshmen against older players? I don't think so. Once you are 18-19 you are good enough or you are not. If you are a middle school kid playing against kids a year or two younger, there just isn't any way to see that as an outlier. I'd feel differently if I saw a 14 year old 2019 kid tearing it up on a 2018 or 2017 team. But I've never seen that at a club lacrosse event.

Did all of these lacrosse coaches read Gulliver's Travels and get carried away? A 16 year old 6'3 9th grader probably is not going to grow to 10 feet tall.

Sorry but at 18 you are a bit more immature than 20 in all aspects of your development. I played a D1 sport in college and as a freshman I rode the bench by Junior year I started every game till I graduated. Same person same skill just more mature and exposure to the game. Physically I was just stronger and my time spent in the gym really paid off. What a difference 2 years made in my overall maturity and physical presence. take a kid add in the fact they either did a repeat in 9th and then a PG where they are being groomed to play D1 lacrosse. Odds are they are committed so speaking to the college coach every other week and discussing their progress. This type of kid knows whats on the line. So As a coach I would take the 20 year old freshman over the 18 year old. Like you said a player can go to a PG year and really take minimal classes workout at the private school/boarding school and put on size in the gym and come in ready to play. If you say otherwise you don't know the inner working of these schools like Deerfield and Salisbury etc. They want to be #1 in the prep school world and take on players that normally wouldn't be able to attend. They even pay for their schooling. I know of a number of athletes that have done this.

In my opinion I feel if you are going to repeat or PG you still play with your age appropriate class and when its time to enter college you enter college as the year you are going to graduate. It is ridiculous when I hear about players who say they are going to PG yet they are still in their appropriate grade in school and play a year down. That is absolute BS. At least the repeats have to deal with the fact they are repeating. Also being a repeat doesn't always guarantee you will be on your travel teams top team player that put his trust in a director of a very large club and by his recommendation repeated and now isn't even starting on that club teams A team. Which is not deserved great player and family.

I agree with most of what you said. But I don't think you had to single out a player at the end to say it. Shame on you!

Why, please stop it? This year I hope you school yourself on Brine before you inject yourself and single out players again.

Don't comprehend what your saying regarding schooling myself on Brine. In regards to singling a player out. It was no way intended on being a jab at the kid but showing people be careful of the re-class stuff. Nothing is guaranteed. As per injecting myself I again don't get it. If your saying monitoring and providing input and facts as to try and help people. I think I do my best. That's why I am a moderator. I removed it since you found it offensive and I wasnt singling a player out. That was no way my intent. I edited all the posts that had what I feel you thought was about a single player. I apologize.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

College kids have the same problems being responsible at 20 as they do as 18 year olds. I was guilty of that. Not getting the older is better thing either. In football players are auto redshirted so they can gain 30-50 pounds in the weight room at many positions. It is also a sport that allows 85 scholarships for 11 spots at a time on the field. You can fully scholarship 5 QBs. In basketball they don't redshirt guys. In soccer, swimming, baseball, etc they don't. Going back in lacrosse to the 1990s or 1980s did the top players then struggle as 18 year old freshmen against older players? I don't think so. Once you are 18-19 you are good enough or you are not. If you are a middle school kid playing against kids a year or two younger, there just isn't any way to see that as an outlier. I'd feel differently if I saw a 14 year old 2019 kid tearing it up on a 2018 or 2017 team. But I've never seen that at a club lacrosse event.

Did all of these lacrosse coaches read Gulliver's Travels and get carried away? A 16 year old 6'3 9th grader probably is not going to grow to 10 feet tall.

Sorry but at 18 you are a bit more immature than 20 in all aspects of your development. I played a D1 sport in college and as a freshman I rode the bench by Junior year I started every game till I graduated. Same person same skill just more mature and exposure to the game. Physically I was just stronger and my time spent in the gym really paid off. What a difference 2 years made in my overall maturity and physical presence. take a kid add in the fact they either did a repeat in 9th and then a PG where they are being groomed to play D1 lacrosse. Odds are they are committed so speaking to the college coach every other week and discussing their progress. This type of kid knows whats on the line. So As a coach I would take the 20 year old freshman over the 18 year old. Like you said a player can go to a PG year and really take minimal classes workout at the private school/boarding school and put on size in the gym and come in ready to play. If you say otherwise you don't know the inner working of these schools like Deerfield and Salisbury etc. They want to be #1 in the prep school world and take on players that normally wouldn't be able to attend. They even pay for their schooling. I know of a number of athletes that have done this.

In my opinion I feel if you are going to repeat or PG you still play with your age appropriate class and when its time to enter college you enter college as the year you are going to graduate. It is ridiculous when I hear about players who say they are going to PG yet they are still in their appropriate grade in school and play a year down. That is absolute BS. At least the repeats have to deal with the fact they are repeating. Also being a repeat doesn't always guarantee you will be on your travel teams top team there is a player that put his trust in a director of a very large club and by his recommendation repeated and now isn't even the starting on that club teams A team. Not deserved great player great family

I agree with most of what you said. But I don't think you had to single out a player at the end to say it. Shame on you!

Why, please stop it? This year I hope you school yourself on Brine before you inject yourself and single out players again.

That may be the most incomprehensible dribble I've read on this site, and that is saying a lot! Usually you can piece together the jumbled spelling and grammar, but that last sentence is indecipherable. Tough for people to take you seriously when you write like a three year old.

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Thanks for the post. I do know a lot about the NE boarding schools. I went to one Founders League school and have two sons who attend another Founders League school, including one at Deerfield. I think much of what you wrote is at least partially incorrect. First, these preps aren't scholarship offering athletes. There is financial aid, but I would not confuse that with something else. Consider this, back in my era there were 2-3 PGs per year. They were always sports related, and they were always instances where a kid had already been recruited but could not qualify for admissions. These kids would be steered toward a Pg year in order to make it to Cornell for ice hockey or Columbia for soccer, etc. The HUGE difference now is schools like Deerfield, Loomis, Andover have blown up the numbers and take 30-40 PGs a year. What is the same is it is always sports and it is also almost always for an academic finishing year. Like a lacrosse kid who needs it to get into Duke, Princeton, etc. What I know as an alum and former board member at one and as an informed parent at another is THIS IS A BIG $$$$$$$ BUSINESS for these prep schools. There is a reason why Deerfield and Loomis are paying architects and evaluating contractors to build new PG only dorms on top of the huge PG numbers already in these schools, and it is not because they want to be #1 in a sport or beat their rival. Of course those things are nice, but the real reason is full paying families who want or need to have their kid PG for sports reasons in preppy sports like lacrosse is a treasure trove. If you want your kid to finish up a PG year at Deerfield and your kid is a top ranked or regarded lacrosse recruit, unless you have a family AGI under $75,000 for recent tax years...then start planning your family budget for a spare $60,000 to send him there.

Not sure I agree at all with you on the sports ages either. I see few lacrosse players who are reliant on the weight room for their success and my D1 sport was soccer. I have never in 30 years seen a 20 year old who suddenly looked like he belongs on the field who wasn't also an 18 year old who belonged on the field. In lacrosse people saw the Duke team that all got an extra year of eligibility in 2007 and everyone just assumed it was magical those players were a year older. That is nonsense. Crotty and the rest of them were just great players, period.

I appreciate your post and coming from someone who attended and has children attending one of these schools I am sure you have a lot of experience with them. I am sorry but there are schools that actually pay for players to attend. Alum and their endowments allow for this. I know this for a fact. Yes its about the money. Its about ways to get more students, be it a PG athlete or an academic to go there and spend the money like you said big business. So if your school is winning the games in whatever sport then more kids will want to attend especially the athletes. Now add on the new dorms that are being built as another perk for the PG student. Makes it more desirable doesn't it. There is tradition and the prestige of going to one of these schools especially the ones you mention. I am in no way knocking these institutions. If I felt it necessary I would send my son to one. You said it when it used to be just a handful that needed to PG to get into the school of their dreams now everyone is trying to do so based on the visions of playing D1. Don't you find that crazy? Years ago it was about getting your grades up for a few gifted athletes now everyone is a gifted athlete. You know who is telling the parents and players that? The club directors. I also don't think PGing is a problem because most PG's play age appropriate its the 9th grade repeats that are an issue in my book. Again this is my opinion.

In regards to the athlete and age. A gifted athlete at 20 is stronger faster and a better athlete then he was at 18. Just by practicing more and your body filling out for 2 years makes a huge difference. Its not just weights and building huge amounts of muscle its core development speed and agility. All these thing develop with age. At 18 a player weighs 180 at 20 I weighs 195. That 15 lbs is all muscle and from eating better training and just maturing. These are D1 athletes and its not the Freshman 15. Now same athletic ability with more strength to push you off the ball. Now more confident and willing to take chances. So again i disagree with your suddenly belonging on the field. Most of these athletes belong on the field just how much of an impact they can make as a incoming 18 year old freshman or an incoming 20 year old freshman is the question or puzzle many parents players and coaches are trying to figure out.

Reading some of this has be laughing quite a bit. I was a college athlete 20 years ago and I first started lifting weights summer before college. I put on 20 pounds just like that as an 18 year old college freshman. Until the recent decade or so kids weren't training like they are today, or were they hitting weights earlier. Now that I've had sons who are athletes through high school all I see now are kids who have a build you earn in the weight room. Of course boys mature more between 16 to 18 and then to 20, but I too would concur that these comments are way too dramatic. Back when I played another sport at Carolina the rule of thumb was if you ain't good enough as a second year guy, you'll never be. I never saw a good college athlete and contributor who went from zero to being a starter because he turned 20 from 19 or whatnot. It sounds a lot more to me like this PG year is a needed extra for guys who need to catch up. But those aren't the guys who will stand out after the arrive. It just doesn't work that way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reading some of this has be laughing quite a bit. I was a college athlete 20 years ago and I first started lifting weights summer before college. I put on 20 pounds just like that as an 18 year old college freshman. Until the recent decade or so kids weren't training like they are today, or were they hitting weights earlier. Now that I've had sons who are athletes through high school all I see now are kids who have a build you earn in the weight room. Of course boys mature more between 16 to 18 and then to 20, but I too would concur that these comments are way too dramatic. Back when I played another sport at Carolina the rule of thumb was if you ain't good enough as a second year guy, you'll never be. I never saw a good college athlete and contributor who went from zero to being a starter because he turned 20 from 19 or whatnot. It sounds a lot more to me like this PG year is a needed extra for guys who need to catch up. But those aren't the guys who will stand out after the arrive. It just doesn't work that way.

A lot of this PG stuff is being initiated by the travel coaches and college coaches. The athletes we are talking about are ones that need to get better. They are great athletes that might need some maturing to do or get their grades up. That's what a PG year does. I have to say any athlete at 20 is better than the same athlete at 18. I played D1 ball and I know at 20 I was better than I was at 18. It's that's simple. Did I start at my position at 18 no because there was a senior at my position but I did start as a sophomore. It doesn't mean I wasn't able to play but that a more mature and better player was at my position. Coach saw my potential but with every year of maturity came a year of physical development. So coaches are looking to take an older more mature player. That's what the coaches are saying.

Well, I don't agree all the way but do see your points. I wonder, was it all magic of being a year older that put you on the field or was it just the odds of the relative talent and experience? You played behind a senior just like many could be cursed by the roster timing. Somebody sat behind Rob Pannell for 2-3 years and then played, but I don't think that one would be explained by just getting older and bigger in the weight room. I also see the point that dooms any argument. If lacrosse coaches see it this way, they will recruit this way. I never really thought of it this way but encouraging a recruit to reclassify or PG is ostensibly selling the kid and family on an unpaid redshirt year. Coaches have so little scholarship money to give and I would guess are averse to awarding it for 5 years to any recruit. So just forget about incentivizing a parent paid first redshirt year. That written, some programs like Maryland and Syracuse have a lot of redshirt freshmen now. Maybe one of the new trends will be to encourage kids to enroll without a scholarship for a redshirt year. I'd presume that it is better for a kid to spend that year on a practice field in college than on a prep school field as a PG. I have been watching Founders League lacrosse for over 30 years, and the current state of it is a joke. These PGs aren't adding anything to their game by blowing up 14, 15 and 16 year olds as 19 year olds. It's just the final act of the pathetic playing down thing in club lacrosse. I wish all the college coaches who are identifying the best 2019s who are 16 as I write. It isn't my job on the line if they are wrong, so to each his own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, I don't agree all the way but do see your points. I wonder, was it all magic of being a year older that put you on the field or was it just the odds of the relative talent and experience? You played behind a senior just like many could be cursed by the roster timing. Somebody sat behind Rob Pannell for 2-3 years and then played, but I don't think that one would be explained by just getting older and bigger in the weight room. I also see the point that dooms any argument. If lacrosse coaches see it this way, they will recruit this way. I never really thought of it this way but encouraging a recruit to reclassify or PG is ostensibly selling the kid and family on an unpaid redshirt year. Coaches have so little scholarship money to give and I would guess are averse to awarding it for 5 years to any recruit. So just forget about incentivizing a parent paid first redshirt year. That written, some programs like Maryland and Syracuse have a lot of redshirt freshmen now. Maybe one of the new trends will be to encourage kids to enroll without a scholarship for a redshirt year. I'd presume that it is better for a kid to spend that year on a practice field in college than on a prep school field as a PG. I have been watching Founders League lacrosse for over 30 years, and the current state of it is a joke. These PGs aren't adding anything to their game by blowing up 14, 15 and 16 year olds as 19 year olds. It's just the final act of the pathetic playing down thing in club lacrosse. I wish all the college coaches who are identifying the best 2019s who are 16 as I write. It isn't my job on the line if they are wrong, so to each his own.

Valid points by all. Older athlete doesn't need to redshirt is more developed and mature. No strain on the college coaches scholarship money and can come in and make an impact. Guess it's a no brainer for the coaches who only have 12.6 scholarships for over 40 players. Look at what Syracuse just did redshirted their whole freshman class. Hmmm imagine that paying another year of college just to play lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, I don't agree all the way but do see your points. I wonder, was it all magic of being a year older that put you on the field or was it just the odds of the relative talent and experience? You played behind a senior just like many could be cursed by the roster timing. Somebody sat behind Rob Pannell for 2-3 years and then played, but I don't think that one would be explained by just getting older and bigger in the weight room. I also see the point that dooms any argument. If lacrosse coaches see it this way, they will recruit this way. I never really thought of it this way but encouraging a recruit to reclassify or PG is ostensibly selling the kid and family on an unpaid redshirt year. Coaches have so little scholarship money to give and I would guess are averse to awarding it for 5 years to any recruit. So just forget about incentivizing a parent paid first redshirt year. That written, some programs like Maryland and Syracuse have a lot of redshirt freshmen now. Maybe one of the new trends will be to encourage kids to enroll without a scholarship for a redshirt year. I'd presume that it is better for a kid to spend that year on a practice field in college than on a prep school field as a PG. I have been watching Founders League lacrosse for over 30 years, and the current state of it is a joke. These PGs aren't adding anything to their game by blowing up 14, 15 and 16 year olds as 19 year olds. It's just the final act of the pathetic playing down thing in club lacrosse. I wish all the college coaches who are identifying the best 2019s who are 16 as I write. It isn't my job on the line if they are wrong, so to each his own.

Valid points by all. Older athlete doesn't need to redshirt is more developed and mature. No strain on the college coaches scholarship money and can come in and make an impact. Guess it's a no brainer for the coaches who only have 12.6 scholarships for over 40 players. Look at what Syracuse just did redshirted their whole freshman class. Hmmm imagine that paying another year of college just to play lacrosse.

Redshirts receive their scholarship money, maybe not such a bad deal. That is if you're getting scholarship money!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, I don't agree all the way but do see your points. I wonder, was it all magic of being a year older that put you on the field or was it just the odds of the relative talent and experience? You played behind a senior just like many could be cursed by the roster timing. Somebody sat behind Rob Pannell for 2-3 years and then played, but I don't think that one would be explained by just getting older and bigger in the weight room. I also see the point that dooms any argument. If lacrosse coaches see it this way, they will recruit this way. I never really thought of it this way but encouraging a recruit to reclassify or PG is ostensibly selling the kid and family on an unpaid redshirt year. Coaches have so little scholarship money to give and I would guess are averse to awarding it for 5 years to any recruit. So just forget about incentivizing a parent paid first redshirt year. That written, some programs like Maryland and Syracuse have a lot of redshirt freshmen now. Maybe one of the new trends will be to encourage kids to enroll without a scholarship for a redshirt year. I'd presume that it is better for a kid to spend that year on a practice field in college than on a prep school field as a PG. I have been watching Founders League lacrosse for over 30 years, and the current state of it is a joke. These PGs aren't adding anything to their game by blowing up 14, 15 and 16 year olds as 19 year olds. It's just the final act of the pathetic playing down thing in club lacrosse. I wish all the college coaches who are identifying the best 2019s who are 16 as I write. It isn't my job on the line if they are wrong, so to each his own.

My son and I visited a few colleges this Fall and the message was clear. The opportunity to play big time D1 lacrosse is readily available if you'd take a roster spot in the 2020 class. No one ever said that directly but it was implied. One coach asked me "which player stood out to you the most?" I told him which kid and he said "he is already 16 years old attending Culver Academy, we really like him" We were attending an "invite only" prospect day for 2019's. Believe me, it was not an "open" prospect camp. My son is 14 (not small at 5' 11" 166 lbs), its not easy to stand out when you are playing against kids 1-2 years older. Its just a fact and please don't argue the point, its really not debatable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, I don't agree all the way but do see your points. I wonder, was it all magic of being a year older that put you on the field or was it just the odds of the relative talent and experience? You played behind a senior just like many could be cursed by the roster timing. Somebody sat behind Rob Pannell for 2-3 years and then played, but I don't think that one would be explained by just getting older and bigger in the weight room. I also see the point that dooms any argument. If lacrosse coaches see it this way, they will recruit this way. I never really thought of it this way but encouraging a recruit to reclassify or PG is ostensibly selling the kid and family on an unpaid redshirt year. Coaches have so little scholarship money to give and I would guess are averse to awarding it for 5 years to any recruit. So just forget about incentivizing a parent paid first redshirt year. That written, some programs like Maryland and Syracuse have a lot of redshirt freshmen now. Maybe one of the new trends will be to encourage kids to enroll without a scholarship for a redshirt year. I'd presume that it is better for a kid to spend that year on a practice field in college than on a prep school field as a PG. I have been watching Founders League lacrosse for over 30 years, and the current state of it is a joke. These PGs aren't adding anything to their game by blowing up 14, 15 and 16 year olds as 19 year olds. It's just the final act of the pathetic playing down thing in club lacrosse. I wish all the college coaches who are identifying the best 2019s who are 16 as I write. It isn't my job on the line if they are wrong, so to each his own.

My son and I visited a few colleges this Fall and the message was clear. The opportunity to play big time D1 lacrosse is readily available if you'd take a roster spot in the 2020 class. No one ever said that directly but it was implied. One coach asked me "which player stood out to you the most?" I told him which kid and he said "he is already 16 years old attending Culver Academy, we really like him" We were attending an "invite only" prospect day for 2019's. Believe me, it was not an "open" prospect camp. My son is 14 (not small at 5' 11" 166 lbs), its not easy to stand out when you are playing against kids 1-2 years older. Its just a fact and please don't argue the point, its really not debatable.

Unless your son is more athletic..that is the key . If you are big and athletic it goes a long way but you don't have to be the biggest

Some very interesting posts. I think some of these points are further reasons why the NCAA needs to restrain early recruiting. For a college coach to even be in the same room speaking to a 2019 parent and implicitly communicating the fruits of reclassifying isn't just self serving. It is just galling. Is this the Keeping Culver/Avon Old Farms/Hun School Registar's Office Liquidity Act or does it also have something to do with lacrosse? I mean if some 40+ year old lacrosse coach has special eyes for my 2019 son (BTW I don't have one, one son is older other is younger) and I were to ask, well hey, why don't you take him and I will pay for his first year to redshirt in your program, what would the guy say? Every time I read about these life decisions being compelled by college lacrosse coaches or club / showcase cads it just fumes my objections on plain comment decency principles. Lacrosse needs to stop being a racket where all a kid is supposed to do is jump through money hoops and all dad is supposed to do is pretend to take is seriously and pay up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some very interesting posts. I think some of these points are further reasons why the NCAA needs to restrain early recruiting. For a college coach to even be in the same room speaking to a 2019 parent and implicitly communicating the fruits of reclassifying isn't just self serving. It is just galling. Is this the Keeping Culver/Avon Old Farms/Hun School Registar's Office Liquidity Act or does it also have something to do with lacrosse? I mean if some 40+ year old lacrosse coach has special eyes for my 2019 son (BTW I don't have one, one son is older other is younger) and I were to ask, well hey, why don't you take him and I will pay for his first year to redshirt in your program, what would the guy say? Every time I read about these life decisions being compelled by college lacrosse coaches or club / showcase cads it just fumes my objections on plain comment decency principles. Lacrosse needs to stop being a racket where all a kid is supposed to do is jump through money hoops and all dad is supposed to do is pretend to take is seriously and pay up.

From what I understand, many kids (stand out playets)asked to go to these prep schools are scholarshiped.

Not for PG year. That is strictly business. Boarding schools blew up the PG counts for only one reason: collect from families chasing a preppie sport college career. I'm well aware that a lot of preps in Maryland and in the DC area underwrite some kids through.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not for PG year. That is strictly business. Boarding schools blew up the PG counts for only one reason: collect from families chasing a preppie sport college career. I'm well aware that a lot of preps in Maryland and in the DC area underwrite some kids through.

I know of one from Smithtown East not paying a dime for his PG year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not for PG year. That is strictly business. Boarding schools blew up the PG counts for only one reason: collect from families chasing a preppie sport college career. I'm well aware that a lot of preps in Maryland and in the DC area underwrite some kids through.

Fogo from Whitman and Fogo headed to Duke (Sophomores ) going scholarship as well.

I am sure each player that is serious to play on a D1 Squad would consider a PG year. More interesting to that is anyone serious to go to a premier academic institution will also inquire about the "Blue Shirt" year since college is more important

And for those who think the new proposal will gain traction, the proposal needs to remain the same in those acc and Big 10 schools for all sports (ie.. Basketball football). Just like the commitment of scholarships to remain intact for 4 years if even a bench player. Could get interesting.

the bad thing that may come out of this (if the new proposal doesn't pass) is schools will no longer keep their hands off early verbal commits. Also the late bloomer will not be left out and early commits may lose their luster and the late bloomer will take the spot. Potentially rendering the early verbal useless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not for PG year. That is strictly business. Boarding schools blew up the PG counts for only one reason: collect from families chasing a preppie sport college career. I'm well aware that a lot of preps in Maryland and in the DC area underwrite some kids through.

I know of one from Smithtown East not paying a dime for his PG year.

It would either be need based (somewhat likely) or some false daddy bragging (happens a lot). I know two of the preps that are most prolific to follow the PG model. The objective is to never athletically scholarship them. At Deerfield, one where in the past I've been involved in fundraising and done alumni off campus interviews for years, the new old joke is the May 15 squared. May is after all the acceptances, wait lists and deposits are done. It is also the time these boarding schools get frantic calls from sports people and parents begging to take a kid who didn't pass admissions. That's the part where the boarding schools explain the deadlines and acceptances have passed, but will review the academic and sports folios. If a kid indeed is committed to Duke, UVA or wherever for sports and is graduating from high school the standard deal is making exception for full pay and a $15K donation. $15K by May 15.

I'm a plenty proud alum of one of these schools and sent one son to another and the only reason to attend one is to gain the academic and social experience boarding schools offer. Cheapening that cheapens those schools (and I am not sorry to put it that way) and cheapens the experience for the kid and his future.

If you think boarding schools are doing something else, that would make you an easier mark for the boarding schools than you were for the lacrosse showcase guys. Think about that.

It looks like the UA Underclass games(which now include a separate 2019/2020 division) overlap with Jake Reed for 2019's this year.

Any thoughts on which is the better event? I'm guessing it might be hard to tell since rising sophomores didn't usually make the UA underclass teams.

3D sure has a bulls eye on their chests now. The first NLF showcase events next month were scheduled on top of the 3D Blue Chip. Now the Corrigans are both dropping down to lower grades and scheduling it at the same time in summer as 3D Jake Reed.

As a parent of an older son who did attend JR back in the era when it actually meant something, I'd say the JR franchise has been hit hard by the competition. It still may be a good one, but the market share game has diluted it down.

My son attends a Founders league Prep school. He was a 2017 who reclassed to a 2018 (Late 99 birthday). He was recruited to play lacrosse there and they based our tuition on our families income. We received the maximum award which turned out to be just short of full tuition. He since committed to a D1 program and I can tell you without hesitation it would have never have happened if he was currently attending a public high school. The academics are far superior and there is a strong sense of brotherhood and community at the school, something a kid rarely gets at a large public high school. Although not for everybody, Prep school is a great option for kids who wants to play at the next level and get into the best school possible.

They killed it when they allocated spots to an organization that has 16 regional teams to run the selection process. it's in 3d's interest to get as many of their players in the event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not for PG year. That is strictly business. Boarding schools blew up the PG counts for only one reason: collect from families chasing a preppie sport college career. I'm well aware that a lot of preps in Maryland and in the DC area underwrite some kids through.

I know of one from Smithtown East not paying a dime for his PG year.

It would either be need based (somewhat likely) or some false daddy bragging (happens a lot). I know two of the preps that are most prolific to follow the PG model. The objective is to never athletically scholarship them. At Deerfield, one where in the past I've been involved in fundraising and done alumni off campus interviews for years, the new old joke is the May 15 squared. May is after all the acceptances, wait lists and deposits are done. It is also the time these boarding schools get frantic calls from sports people and parents begging to take a kid who didn't pass admissions. That's the part where the boarding schools explain the deadlines and acceptances have passed, but will review the academic and sports folios. If a kid indeed is committed to Duke, UVA or wherever for sports and is graduating from high school the standard deal is making exception for full pay and a $15K donation. $15K by May 15.

I'm a plenty proud alum of one of these schools and sent one son to another and the only reason to attend one is to gain the academic and social experience boarding schools offer. Cheapening that cheapens those schools (and I am not sorry to put it that way) and cheapens the experience for the kid and his future.

If you think boarding schools are doing something else, that would make you an easier mark for the boarding schools than you were for the lacrosse showcase guys. Think about that.

Boarding schools are doing something else. Know it for a fact. There are also a few college coaches steering players towards some of these schools.

College coaches have suggested boarding schools for kids since I was one in the 1980s. The old favorites were Avon and Salisbury. Deerfield was the more academic elite one then, and was usually ice hockey players or football players steering toward Ivies. A lot has changed. Now you have Andover, Exeter, Deerfield and Loomis all throwing academics out the window for the PG money train. That isn't too popular among some alums, myself included, but these schools are organisms that fuel on revenue models. What college coaches suggest to parents and what parents then pursue can get pretty involved at every level. I am well informed that Davis at Deerfield talks to college coaches often about recruits wanting or needing a PG year in the same instances he is talking about his players being recruited.

In a well meaning way what I am stating is that the notion that boarding schools for PG year are an oasis for the athletically gifted to cash in athletic scholarships is very misguided. Many of these schools have impressive endowments and can provide generous need based packages, and financial discounts are limited to these.

Boarding schools are doing something else. Know it for a fact. There are also a few college coaches steering players towards some of these schools. [/quote]

I have a son who played varsity at Andover as a junior last spring and my b.s. meter is ringing loudly after reading your posts. These schools love having high endowments but are often very cheap with financial aid. These schools are also very aggressive on the fundraising side for current parents. Last year Andover's best player was a PG who likely did receive a lot of aid but that had more to do with the fact that his parents were school teachers and not because he was a big time recruit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Boarding schools are doing something else. Know it for a fact. There are also a few college coaches steering players towards some of these schools.

I have a son who played varsity at Andover as a junior last spring and my b.s. meter is ringing loudly after reading your posts. These schools love having high endowments but are often very cheap with financial aid. These schools are also very aggressive on the fundraising side for current parents. Last year Andover's best player was a PG who likely did receive a lot of aid but that had more to do with the fact that his parents were school teachers and not because he was a big time recruit. [/quote]

Again you may claim otherwise but I know of a few players that were 100% guided by a college coaches to certain schools and financially had it made so it cost almost nothing for them to go. Call it what you will. These players would 100% not have made it on their academic prowess.

Madlax 2019 is not afraid to play up at the highest division at the Club National Championships.

Everyone from NY, though, is apparently too scared to play Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2019 is not afraid to play up at the highest division at the Club National Championships.

Everyone from NY, though, is apparently too scared to play Madlax.

Not the Mamas boyz. You will be smoked in no time. Better get busy with a plan!

You're calling all LI guys Mamas boyz? We agree!

Right because mad lax 2019 are a bunch of 15 and 16yr olds. That's the only way Maryland teams win. And that's a fact! I would be ashamed of that. I was brought up different. But you guys will sit there and chest pump over that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right because mad lax 2019 are a bunch of 15 and 16yr olds. That's the only way Maryland teams win. And that's a fact! I would be ashamed of that. I was brought up different. But you guys will sit there and chest pump over that.

Madlax is in Virginia, you moron. And there are no 15 or 16 year old kids on the team (but if there were, it's a grade based team, so nobody obsesses over that except for dumb LI dads).

That is very misleading. Madlax is based in NoVa but is headquartered less than 4 miles from the Maryland border. It is a DMV club attracting from Va, DC and MD. And BTW, the holdback phenomenon is a DMV thing on all sides. If you add it all up over the preps these kids attend on both sides of the Potomac the holdback numbers are jarring. There are kids by the dozen playing grade based club for Madlax or Crabs that have done 8th grade twice at Bullis, Landon or Mater Dei (n�e Mater Delay). A decent percentage of those same kids live on the Virginia side. Those school buses leaving Tysons every morning for Landon, Bullis and Georgetown Prep are full. And they are full of kids who repeat a grade to play a certain sport we are also debating here. It is a minority of kids in the DMV playing high level club lacrosse who are on age. In Baltimore with the pre-first year as nearly a given nearly 100% of prep kids there are a year old for their grade.

I am from the area. I am informed. I have kids who play club, I had an on age kid at one of these schools and I am not making any of this up. I'm also not going to take any Madlax or Crabs defiant challenges to name names because all this is talk and not facts. I won't play on the kids. I'm embarrassed to be a part of a youth sports community this contaminated by serial lying and defiance. Let's just face it this way; there's no age rules in club lacrosse and there are people who can afford to game it for an advantage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right because mad lax 2019 are a bunch of 15 and 16yr olds. That's the only way Maryland teams win. And that's a fact! I would be ashamed of that. I was brought up different. But you guys will sit there and chest pump over that.

Madlax is in Virginia, you moron. And there are no 15 or 16 year old kids on the team (but if there were, it's a grade based team, so nobody obsesses over that except for dumb LI dads).

Really? NO 15 year olds? If that's the case they're unusual. My son plays on an NJ team with no holdbacks but there are at least 6 or 8 kids that have already turned 15.

Right dumb Long Island dads. Lol grade based with how many hold backs? Who is the moron??? You guys have to holdback your kids to get the edge.

You are the moron if you think college coaches care for one second if a kid has repeated a grade or not. They care about getting the best kid possible in every class, regardless of the age.

Keep crying, though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is very misleading. Madlax is based in NoVa but is headquartered less than 4 miles from the Maryland border. It is a DMV club attracting from Va, DC and MD. And BTW, the holdback phenomenon is a DMV thing on all sides. If you add it all up over the preps these kids attend on both sides of the Potomac the holdback numbers are jarring. There are kids by the dozen playing grade based club for Madlax or Crabs that have done 8th grade twice at Bullis, Landon or Mater Dei (n�e Mater Delay). A decent percentage of those same kids live on the Virginia side. Those school buses leaving Tysons every morning for Landon, Bullis and Georgetown Prep are full. And they are full of kids who repeat a grade to play a certain sport we are also debating here. It is a minority of kids in the DMV playing high level club lacrosse who are on age. In Baltimore with the pre-first year as nearly a given nearly 100% of prep kids there are a year old for their grade.

I am from the area. I am informed. I have kids who play club, I had an on age kid at one of these schools and I am not making any of this up. I'm also not going to take any Madlax or Crabs defiant challenges to name names because all this is talk and not facts. I won't play on the kids. I'm embarrassed to be a part of a youth sports community this contaminated by serial lying and defiance. Let's just face it this way; there's no age rules in club lacrosse and there are people who can afford to game it for an advantage.

Some of the things you write are correct. Most most of your thoughts are complete exaggerations or lies. Let's look at it.

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There are kids by the dozen playing grade based club for Madlax or Crabs that have done 8th grade twice at Bullis, Landon or Mater Dei (n�e Mater Delay).

You state that 12+ kids at these schools/clubs who have repeated 8th grade twice. You can't name them because that's simply not true.

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And they are full of kids who repeat a grade to play a certain sport we are also debating here.

They are not all on the same bus, but there are lots of kids who go to these private schools and repeat a grade primarily in order to be older in a particular sport (especially lacrosse). So this statement is basically true.

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It is a minority of kids in the DMV playing high level club lacrosse who are on age.

Not true. Many kids are holdbacks now, but it is far from a majority of the elite kids. It's a significant number, but not number of elite players on age is the majority. By far.

You make a number of good points, but you are seriously exaggerating the situation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right dumb Long Island dads. Lol grade based with how many hold backs? Who is the moron??? You guys have to holdback your kids to get the edge.

When lacrosse season is here, I hope you scream about holdbacks and "overage kids". It will be hilarious seeing parents laughing at you about kids on the field who are older than your son.

It's HS, dad. Nobody cares about birth certificates.

You have a point it's high school. But when you play in recruiting showcases at 2019 and the college coaches are looking at these physically matured boys who are way older then my true 14yr old, Sorry 15 by the summer it sucks. Because he is taking a spot away from my true 2019. I know it sounds like I'm crying but it is what it is and it won't change. I wouldn't reclassify my kid because I'm not teaching him by getting ahead in life you have to cheat. Work hard and hopefully he could land a spot at his dream school. Which by the way is not a top 10 lacrosse school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is very misleading. Madlax is based in NoVa but is headquartered less than 4 miles from the Maryland border. It is a DMV club attracting from Va, DC and MD. And BTW, the holdback phenomenon is a DMV thing on all sides. If you add it all up over the preps these kids attend on both sides of the Potomac the holdback numbers are jarring. There are kids by the dozen playing grade based club for Madlax or Crabs that have done 8th grade twice at Bullis, Landon or Mater Dei (n�e Mater Delay). A decent percentage of those same kids live on the Virginia side. Those school buses leaving Tysons every morning for Landon, Bullis and Georgetown Prep are full. And they are full of kids who repeat a grade to play a certain sport we are also debating here. It is a minority of kids in the DMV playing high level club lacrosse who are on age. In Baltimore with the pre-first year as nearly a given nearly 100% of prep kids there are a year old for their grade.

I am from the area. I am informed. I have kids who play club, I had an on age kid at one of these schools and I am not making any of this up. I'm also not going to take any Madlax or Crabs defiant challenges to name names because all this is talk and not facts. I won't play on the kids. I'm embarrassed to be a part of a youth sports community this contaminated by serial lying and defiance. Let's just face it this way; there's no age rules in club lacrosse and there are people who can afford to game it for an advantage.

Some of the things you write are correct. Most most of your thoughts are complete exaggerations or lies. Let's look at it.

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There are kids by the dozen playing grade based club for Madlax or Crabs that have done 8th grade twice at Bullis, Landon or Mater Dei (n�e Mater Delay).

You state that 12+ kids at these schools/clubs who have repeated 8th grade twice. You can't name them because that's simply not true.

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And they are full of kids who repeat a grade to play a certain sport we are also debating here.

They are not all on the same bus, but there are lots of kids who go to these private schools and repeat a grade primarily in order to be older in a particular sport (especially lacrosse). So this statement is basically true.

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It is a minority of kids in the DMV playing high level club lacrosse who are on age.

Not true. Many kids are holdbacks now, but it is far from a majority of the elite kids. It's a significant number, but not number of elite players on age is the majority. By far.

You make a number of good points, but you are seriously exaggerating the situation.

The beauty of it all is that there are many kids that do not do a pre first, do not repeat their 8th grade and get left back and will play right alongside the kids on a D1 team. If you are that talented, you need no manipulated advantage, your skills speak for themself. Good luck to all the boys- the coaches are not dumb and know if the holdback is getting beat by a younger kid. In two years, it will be even more obvious and bench riding is no fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is very misleading. Madlax is based in NoVa but is headquartered less than 4 miles from the Maryland border. It is a DMV club attracting from Va, DC and MD. And BTW, the holdback phenomenon is a DMV thing on all sides. If you add it all up over the preps these kids attend on both sides of the Potomac the holdback numbers are jarring. There are kids by the dozen playing grade based club for Madlax or Crabs that have done 8th grade twice at Bullis, Landon or Mater Dei (n�e Mater Delay). A decent percentage of those same kids live on the Virginia side. Those school buses leaving Tysons every morning for Landon, Bullis and Georgetown Prep are full. And they are full of kids who repeat a grade to play a certain sport we are also debating here. It is a minority of kids in the DMV playing high level club lacrosse who are on age. In Baltimore with the pre-first year as nearly a given nearly 100% of prep kids there are a year old for their grade.

I am from the area. I am informed. I have kids who play club, I had an on age kid at one of these schools and I am not making any of this up. I'm also not going to take any Madlax or Crabs defiant challenges to name names because all this is talk and not facts. I won't play on the kids. I'm embarrassed to be a part of a youth sports community this contaminated by serial lying and defiance. Let's just face it this way; there's no age rules in club lacrosse and there are people who can afford to game it for an advantage.

"In Baltimore with the pre-first year as nearly a given nearly 100% of prep kids there are a year old for their grade"

Not accurate. It's nowhere near 100% in Balt. Don't get me wrong it's a higher percentage than other areas. The pre-first is largely a function of summer birthday kids of kids that start at prep schools in elementary school. It is close 100% of those particular kids. Maybe 50-50 for spring bdays. But that's an uber-rich segment - ie paying 25K/yr starting w/ a pre-first. That group doesn't represent all of the lax playing kids in the area. For public school kids hold-backs are few and far between. For Catholics it might be around 20%. Then there's the handful of kids that repeat 8th when they transfer into some of these schools. This isn't to justify or say it's not a problem. But saying it's nearly 100% is false.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You have a point it's high school. But when you play in recruiting showcases at 2019 and the college coaches are looking at these physically matured boys who are way older then my true 14yr old, Sorry 15 by the summer it sucks. Because he is taking a spot away from my true 2019. I know it sounds like I'm crying but it is what it is and it won't change. I wouldn't reclassify my kid because I'm not teaching him by getting ahead in life you have to cheat. Work hard and hopefully he could land a spot at his dream school. Which by the way is not a top 10 lacrosse school.

Nobody is taking a spot from anybody. A coach is looking for whoever is appropriate for his team. He recruits and signs a particular number of kids per grade.

I'm pretty sure you are not posting on basketball or football forums where kids reclassify all the time. You are only upset about it now because you perceive it negatively impacting your kid.

It would be like a dad crying publicly that it's not fair that his son is not getting recruited because of his height, weight, foot speed, etc.

Crying about it isn't going to change anything, especially for grade based teams comprised of HS players. Get a grip.

Did I miss the part where people railed over high school play being unjust because there are freshmen through seniors? I didn't, because there wasn't one.

The laments aren't all over somebody's special 19 year old son who will be graduating from high school this spring. What is a concern for people is the youth game. Not scholastic, THE YOUTH GAME. There isn't anything special about a 16 year old 2019 kid blowing up a 14 year old 2019 kid last summer. There isn't anything special about a 15 year old 2020 kid blowing up a 13 year old 2020 kid this past fall. I am not a recruiting guru, but anyone can check to find hundreds of freshmen committed and also safely assume 8th graders are being recruited during the last mile of evaluations by the coaches who pushed calendar up this far. There is an inequity there. Playing down is not a compulsory choice -- it involves going private and paying tuitions. That's not obtainable to all kids, and maybe that's just the way it is...the only way to go again in the publics is to flunk a grade.

I am not making an argument that high school kids need training wheels back, and don't think I've read it here. And if a freshman or soph stood out in high school I salute that. I also have never heard a cogent argument against say a u-10 team instead of a 5th grade team. The only people arguing for grade based youth teams are the parents who held their kid back for sports.

Height, weight, speed are mostly genetics and there is no point arguing about the natural advantages some have over others. That is what separates most of the elite from the average. But holding a kid back is a priviledge for the few that can afford it to gain a unfair advantage. Otherwise, why would anyone do it! My son is a non-holdback public school kid that has played for some of the best clubs in Baltimore which are comprised primarily of private school kids and I would say that approximately 40% of those kids have reclassed or prefirst. Any unfair advantage for one kid is a unfair disadvantage for another kid!

One of my sons is a 2017. Just you wait...I can still recall the kids in the Maryland and DMV areas who were the it boys in 8th or 9th grade. A lot happened over the next 2 years. Those same kids aren't standing out anymore and several are not going to start as juniors. The late bloomers are really kicking in on many teams. I don't know what the college coaches will do, if anything, but they have one fine mess on their hands. There are a lot of reasons for it. Some of the kids who stood out earlier just didn't grow or develop further and some just look burned out and disinterested. Some early recruits did stay at a high level, but I must say they are not in the majority.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of my sons is a 2017. Just you wait...I can still recall the kids in the Maryland and DMV areas who were the it boys in 8th or 9th grade. A lot happened over the next 2 years. Those same kids aren't standing out anymore and several are not going to start as juniors. The late bloomers are really kicking in on many teams. I don't know what the college coaches will do, if anything, but they have one fine mess on their hands. There are a lot of reasons for it. Some of the kids who stood out earlier just didn't grow or develop further and some just look burned out and disinterested. Some early recruits did stay at a high level, but I must say they are not in the majority.

That's what I'm seeing too. Only now Daddy can't fix it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of my sons is a 2017. Just you wait...I can still recall the kids in the Maryland and DMV areas who were the it boys in 8th or 9th grade. A lot happened over the next 2 years. Those same kids aren't standing out anymore and several are not going to start as juniors. The late bloomers are really kicking in on many teams. I don't know what the college coaches will do, if anything, but they have one fine mess on their hands. There are a lot of reasons for it. Some of the kids who stood out earlier just didn't grow or develop further and some just look burned out and disinterested. Some early recruits did stay at a high level, but I must say they are not in the majority.

Very true. Maybe after the college coaches see enough of the young boys not panning out when they become young men, they'll slow down with the 9th graders, and 8th graders! Might take a few years for them to realize it, or maybe they'll just over recruit so they can cut or bench the kids that don't pan out.

They (college coaches) will just over recruit and you will continue to see 50 kids on a roster while 18 or so kids actually seeing the field....

Your right rosters are really blowing up to over 50 i see.

This early recruiting is ruining the game but we can't fight it . The more physically mature kids are the ones getting the verbals right now. I have seen time and time again the early bloomers aren't those studs down the road. Not saying all but have seen many. I have seen it in football too. I know of 2 or 3 2019s who are really small right now but will be forces once they mature physically. Many 2019s are done with growing and many kids will catch up in year or two.

Not that easy for coaches,if you are getting recruited in 8th or 9th grade, you should be getting alot of atlethic money. so if kids don't work out, that is trouble for the coach.

I would guess if you looked at the bottom 20 on each roster, you would find 2 things in common, good grades, and parents with money,

Lol u are right with that statement. Great grades and parents with money. I hear of top schools where we know kids and they say a lot of kids don't belong on the team. Many of them freshman. And they said it has to do with early recruiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You have a point it's high school. But when you play in recruiting showcases at 2019 and the college coaches are looking at these physically matured boys who are way older then my true 14yr old, Sorry 15 by the summer it sucks. Because he is taking a spot away from my true 2019. I know it sounds like I'm crying but it is what it is and it won't change. I wouldn't reclassify my kid because I'm not teaching him by getting ahead in life you have to cheat. Work hard and hopefully he could land a spot at his dream school. Which by the way is not a top 10 lacrosse school.

Nobody is taking a spot from anybody. A coach is looking for whoever is appropriate for his team. He recruits and signs a particular number of kids per grade.

I'm pretty sure you are not posting on basketball or football forums where kids reclassify all the time. You are only upset about it now because you perceive it negatively impacting your kid.

It would be like a dad crying publicly that it's not fair that his son is not getting recruited because of his height, weight, foot speed, etc.

Crying about it isn't going to change anything, especially for grade based teams comprised of HS players. Get a grip.

Hey, moron. Of course holdbacks take spots away from true age kids. Posting otherwise is just dumb. If all 2018's are held back, not many 2019's will get roster spots for class of 2019.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You have a point it's high school. But when you play in recruiting showcases at 2019 and the college coaches are looking at these physically matured boys who are way older then my true 14yr old, Sorry 15 by the summer it sucks. Because he is taking a spot away from my true 2019. I know it sounds like I'm crying but it is what it is and it won't change. I wouldn't reclassify my kid because I'm not teaching him by getting ahead in life you have to cheat. Work hard and hopefully he could land a spot at his dream school. Which by the way is not a top 10 lacrosse school.

Nobody is taking a spot from anybody. A coach is looking for whoever is appropriate for his team. He recruits and signs a particular number of kids per grade.

I'm pretty sure you are not posting on basketball or football forums where kids reclassify all the time. You are only upset about it now because you perceive it negatively impacting your kid.

It would be like a dad crying publicly that it's not fair that his son is not getting recruited because of his height, weight, foot speed, etc.

Crying about it isn't going to change anything, especially for grade based teams comprised of HS players. Get a grip.

Hey, moron. Of course holdbacks take spots away from true age kids. Posting otherwise is just dumb. If all 2018's are held back, not many 2019's will get roster spots for class of 2019.

Just watched HS all star football game..what a joke .. They had the fans vote two players in. How would anyone know how good one kid is from the next in making the decision..To be honest it reminds me of the Brine tryout and many others . it's who you know and what you wear instead of being a true tryout..Sorry old story but it's so true and very sad. Tell your kids to keep fighting if they don't make these teams because it most certainly doesn't mean they aren't better just that your Mom or Dad isn't political enough yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your right rosters are really blowing up to over 50 i see.

Depends on the program. Many of the bigger programs over recruit on purpose because they are factoring in attrition. My son committed to a Mid D1 and the coach made a point of saying they dont over recruit and they dont recruit to replace. In other words, they recruit the kids they want and thats the kids they go with. Some of the bigger programs are recruiting 15-20 kids a class.

No real vested interest other than my nephew is a 2019 and I loved the cheating allegations. Edge 2019 now has 3 significant verbals -Fox (Arm Breaker) at Hopkins, Handsor at Hopkins and Cormier at Virginia. Can't believe those no good Canucks are stealing and cheating their way to NCAA spots at premiere schools

Right all are older you idiot.

Right now the Canadian kids are simply better than US kids. Not a popular point but they are also tougher. Not too many gritty kids down here in the MIAA or IAC. Sad truth.

older than who? Older than the Sweetlax Teams that have 7 or 8 verbals, older than the Crabs who have multiple verbals. Don't think so. Maybe leave the garage door open when you rev the iroc because brutha you ain't making any sense.

Brothas don't drive IROCs

How many true 2019s are these kids? None i bet. Most of them probably 15 going on 16 soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many true 2019s are these kids? None i bet. Most of them probably 15 going on 16 soon.

I think some who have been recruited for 2019 are 16 .

I would imagine 99% of the 50+ 2019 verbals are reclassified.

Hopkins has the freshmans' birthday right on the roster page.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would imagine 99% of the 50+ 2019 verbals are reclassified.

While I get, and generally agree with, your point....folks WAY overestimate this. I know enough of the committed kids to say 90+ percent is way too high.

If you set the over / under at 50%? seems okay...

What is already coming to roost is Canadian kids are better players than US players. I thought we might be a few years away from really seeing this play out, but after watching the US U-19 game I am convinced it has arrived. Americans are so wound up into reclassifying to play down, and on showcase lacrosse / ugly me first club ball that we don't even know what excellence is anymore. Makes me sad since I have younger boys playing. I'd like to see something more out of the game on the US side, but we just keep going backwards.

The Canadian kids showed up yesterday wearing mismatched equipment had one practice together before yesterday, rotated around over 45 kids into the game. They took about 20 minutes to get a feel for each other on the field and then just rolled us over. One of the Canadian parents told me a lot of these kids don't have much back at home and it is the world for them to be given a plane ticket to play for country. Some parents drove down and slept in their cars to see the kids play.

Those boys don't have a lot of things, but they had three things US player heart, fight and balls.

Yeah not bad playing as a 20 yr old freshman. Not one person can tell me that is a big difference. I played my freshman year at 18. I was a totally different player at 20. Grew an inch and put on 25 lbs. and had a lot more muscle and faster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah not bad playing as a 20 yr old freshman. Not one person can tell me that is a big difference. I played my freshman year at 18. I was a totally different player at 20. Grew an inch and put on 25 lbs. and had a lot more muscle and faster.

Don't make the mistake of making a case study of one from your own experience. Yesterday there were about 30 kids on the Canadian team who are still 18 and could start for most top NCAA teams this spring. Their best player yesterday was Ryan Lanchbury. He is an on age junior who committed as a 15 year old rising junior.

You got the goods or you don't. The playing down thing is a coping mechanism for a certain American demographic. It works in the club scene and at some prep schools. Don't confuse that with excellence.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No real vested interest other than my nephew is a 2019 and I loved the cheating allegations. Edge 2019 now has 3 significant verbals -Fox (Arm Breaker) at Hopkins, Handsor at Hopkins and Cormier at Virginia. Can't believe those no good Canucks are stealing and cheating their way to NCAA spots at premiere schools

You just validated all the people arguing that "holdbacks" are taking legitimate 2019 spots. None of those Edge kids are legit 2019's. How stupid do they make them North of the border?

Ok you have point there. But is that the norm? These college coaches will take a more physically mature kid with less skill I guarantee. Yes it's great when your kid is of age and matured physically but for most that's not the case. So many of my teammates were entirely different players from 18 to 20. There was one kid who we were like how is he here. 5'6" maybe 140 attack. Junior year he was 5'8" 175 and strong as [lacrosse] and became an incredible player.

All of this points to NCAA coaches needing to use some common sense to wait to see kids as juniors. At least take as much physical and other developmental unknowns off the table as possible. It is impossible to project now which 2017 kids will shine as collegians, but it is at least possible to identify candidates without just wildly guessing. Recruiting 9th graders is a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of this points to NCAA coaches needing to use some common sense to wait to see kids as juniors. At least take as much physical and other developmental unknowns off the table as possible. It is impossible to project now which 2017 kids will shine as collegians, but it is at least possible to identify candidates without just wildly guessing. Recruiting 9th graders is a joke.

If people would only start to realize how crazy getting an "offer" in 9th grade is... Our family has made the decision on wait, our son will not talk to coaches until he is a Junior. If they want him, they will wait. If he ends up not getting any offers because of our then he will walk on at the school he decides to go to. Actually, my son is super happy with this plan and his attitude has changed as far as he now has NO STRESS at all. Then again, my son is s very strong student and we know he will get into schools without lacrosse and we also know he will get academic aid too

Some coaches would disagree with you. You could see as an 8th grader that a guy like Dox Aiken would be a college stud.

Some coaches are willing to offer highly regarded kids early; some are not. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it necessarily is the wrong thing to do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some coaches would disagree with you. You could see as an 8th grader that a guy like Dox Aiken would be a college stud.

Some coaches are willing to offer highly regarded kids early; some are not. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it necessarily is the wrong thing to do.

Usually the kid needs to show an interest in the school so unless the parents are pushing it really doesn't make sense unless the kid is 17 in 9th grade then he might have a clue as to where they want to go

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some coaches would disagree with you. You could see as an 8th grader that a guy like Dox Aiken would be a college stud.

Some coaches are willing to offer highly regarded kids early; some are not. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it necessarily is the wrong thing to do.

I've heard all this before. In every class there may be 1-3 kids in 8th grade you can make that sort of bold statement about. 50 kids, 200 kids? Now you're playing into a joke. I know it is easy for people in lacrosse to struggle for perspective, but there are good reasons why college recruiting in most other sports only starts to heat up junior year. Maybe football, baseball, soccer, swimming and basketball among others all 'just don't get it' with the arguments you're making.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some coaches would disagree with you. You could see as an 8th grader that a guy like Dox Aiken would be a college stud.

Some coaches are willing to offer highly regarded kids early; some are not. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it necessarily is the wrong thing to do.

I've heard all this before. In every class there may be 1-3 kids in 8th grade you can make that sort of bold statement about. 50 kids, 200 kids? Now you're playing into a joke. I know it is easy for people in lacrosse to struggle for perspective, but there are good reasons why college recruiting in most other sports only starts to heat up junior year. Maybe football, baseball, soccer, swimming and basketball among others all 'just don't get it' with the arguments you're making.

Basketball and football have been offering MS and freshmen for years. If you think they are only giving offers out to juniors and seniors, you really are an idiot.

The value of the US Dollar is going to make it almost impossible for Canadian kids who are mostly on partials (nobody gets a free ride) to play NCAA. If we had any sense we would upgrade our own college system where lacrosse has club status even though the sport is our national summer sport. Funny but McGill U in Montreal won the Canadian U championship in November (they play their season in the Autumn) Guess what 75% of McGill roster where American boys. Smart parents tuition at McGill is 11,500 USD per year at the current rate and its the 15th highest rated school in the world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some coaches would disagree with you. You could see as an 8th grader that a guy like Dox Aiken would be a college stud.

Some coaches are willing to offer highly regarded kids early; some are not. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it necessarily is the wrong thing to do.

I've heard all this before. In every class there may be 1-3 kids in 8th grade you can make that sort of bold statement about. 50 kids, 200 kids? Now you're playing into a joke. I know it is easy for people in lacrosse to struggle for perspective, but there are good reasons why college recruiting in most other sports only starts to heat up junior year. Maybe football, baseball, soccer, swimming and basketball among others all 'just don't get it' with the arguments you're making.

Basketball and football have been offering MS and freshmen for years. If you think they are only giving offers out to juniors and seniors, you really are an idiot.

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Yes in those other sports, the romancing really starts after a competition want the same recruit you do. As far as the players they don't make a true verbal in those sports a verbal just means your interested. they really dont know where they are going until the NLI is signed. both parties change their minds

At 0.7 it is nearly impossible save for the very wealthiest. Hopkins is a $100K a year college without a scholarship for a Canadian. Some programs like Denver use pretty close to all their scholarship money to fund Canadians. So an indirect impact is also to make the freight higher for US recruits not getting much athletic GIA money. To the extent Canadians keep proving to be the top players makes the college scenarios much more expensive for American kids set on playing college lacrosse.

At bottom it only pays off to be a strong student and get merit based money. Then play lacrosse. I wonder how long it will be before Dino, Petro, Starsia all go 'ding ding' why don't we re-open the floodgates for 2017, 2018 players who are merit money kids and also decent recruits. If you consider a lot of 2017s committed nearly 2 years ago at the top programs, the dollar had affected the calculus for recruiting in a huge way since. This is a very material factor from 2 years ago until today.

Sure McGill is ranked high academically. And the pipeline of lacrosse players goes where? Nll? No MLL? No Wall Street? No

Front row at one of the classy "contact" gentleman clubs HELLYA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sure McGill is ranked high academically. And the pipeline of lacrosse players goes where? Nll? No MLL? No Wall Street? No

Front row at one of the classy "contact" gentleman clubs HELLYA

I think you are being a bit obtuse there. The problems jocks have coming out of a selective college like McGill are of their own doing (bad grades, a resume with just sports and 'work experience' at sports camps). McGill has always sent a lot of graduates into the financial industry in London, Hong Kong, New [lacrosse], etc. US grads rarely start their financial industry careers in London or the Far East, but this is common for Canadiens who have UK territory citizenship.

Lacrosse people think that the financial industry is explained by the lacrosse version of Wall Street which is mostly sales or back and middle office jobs in Manhattan. Nothing wrong with that and living in Long Island or Connecticut, but looking down on what opportunities a top McGill grad or a top grad from a UK college has is not informed.

NLF in FL this wkend. Saw it was the first yr. If you sent your son, pls update us on the weekend. Thinking it is going to be run like 3d with players dorming.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF in FL this wkend. Saw it was the first yr. If you sent your son, pls update us on the weekend. Thinking it is going to be run like 3d with players dorming.

Thank you.

Kids are having a blast, very well run, great weather, lots of positional training with top level coaches. Should we a great weekend overall. The facilities are magnificent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF in FL this wkend. Saw it was the first yr. If you sent your son, pls update us on the weekend. Thinking it is going to be run like 3d with players dorming.

Thank you.

Talent level is off the charts here at NLF

A lot of rich daddies too $$$$. I'm sure there's a lot more talent back home who can't afford a $2k weekend to lax. Calm down. Yea I know I'm an angry broke Dad whose son isn't there. Talent wise he should be , just can't afford it. It's a money game still and always will be. That's life.

Seems like a lot of money to pay to be on the files for a few hours. If you saved all of the money you spent chasing a scholarship, your kid wouldn't need one LOL

Are there really college coaches there running 7th and 8th graders through drills? I know for PR reasons the NLF people are being very careful to call this a 'pre recruiting' or a 'feeder camp' to the 9th grade recruiting event...but let's cut the B.S. Is NLF just the first event that gathers 7th and 8th graders together for expensive hit and run 'get looks' showcase? Doesn't matter to me how much it costs -- my wife thinks there are purses worth thousands of dollars and so does yours. I see why the club guys are doing this because of the money. Why are the college coaches doing it? There reaches a point where it's so early that it's a waste of time. Are the college coaches being paid as well?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of rich daddies too $$$$. I'm sure there's a lot more talent back home who can't afford a $2k weekend to lax. Calm down. Yea I know I'm an angry broke Dad whose son isn't there. Talent wise he should be , just can't afford it. It's a money game still and always will be. That's life.

My oldest son started playing lacrosse in the 7th grade. In college he just graduated last spring. He played on a ranked D1 team, his last 2 1/2 seasons and made honorable mention AA once and played in the NCAA tournament twice. He wasn't recruited much but was strong enough to walk on after he applied to and got into a selective college. He got a lot of merit based money to attend that was better than a lacrosse scholarship. I'm not saying things are the same now. It is super competitive to get the early attention and is expensive to go to these events. I have a 2020 boy who won't be an early recruit and he will likely go as his brother did...make the grades, get in and then consider playing if he wants or can.

I would say this; in my oldest son's class there were kids recruited who never played. My son played ahead of a top 25 IL high school recruit and a kid in the class behind him who was All-IAC in the DC prep league area. Top college players are almost never the same kids who were too 8th graders. I've seen it with my own eyes so many times. I don't think it gets better in terms of ER or how foolish the college coaches are behaving. All your son can control is being a good student first and then good enough player to merit getting a locker and a practice pinnie for fall ball in college. People will tell you a lot of things, but what I am telling you is it doesn't matter if Hop or UNC is full on 2018s or 2019s now. There is no such thing as a coach who doesn't love the free option on a kid who is good enough to compete on the practice field in fall. If your son is better than the kids who did all this NLF and other crap ad got committed in 9th grade, at that point your son will play and that kid will sit. Just focus on playing live and playing hard in practice. If you are better and deserving, you'll have nothing to worry about later.

This board is mostly devoid of anything but name calling - but this sounds like incredibly sound advice. Few if any kids are getting full rides to play D1 lacrosse. The madness chasing early commitments is just insane.

I believe my 2020 son might have the skills and determination to play D1 lacrosse - or maybe not. Time will tell.

However - I would never allow him to commit to a school in the 9th grade UNLESS it was an Ivy or program with an impeccable academic reputation. Otherwise I will make him wait.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of rich daddies too $$$$. I'm sure there's a lot more talent back home who can't afford a $2k weekend to lax. Calm down. Yea I know I'm an angry broke Dad whose son isn't there. Talent wise he should be , just can't afford it. It's a money game still and always will be. That's life.

My oldest son started playing lacrosse in the 7th grade. In college he just graduated last spring. He played on a ranked D1 team, his last 2 1/2 seasons and made honorable mention AA once and played in the NCAA tournament twice. He wasn't recruited much but was strong enough to walk on after he applied to and got into a selective college. He got a lot of merit based money to attend that was better than a lacrosse scholarship. I'm not saying things are the same now. It is super competitive to get the early attention and is expensive to go to these events. I have a 2020 boy who won't be an early recruit and he will likely go as his brother did...make the grades, get in and then consider playing if he wants or can.

I would say this; in my oldest son's class there were kids recruited who never played. My son played ahead of a top 25 IL high school recruit and a kid in the class behind him who was All-IAC in the DC prep league area. Top college players are almost never the same kids who were too 8th graders. I've seen it with my own eyes so many times. I don't think it gets better in terms of ER or how foolish the college coaches are behaving. All your son can control is being a good student first and then good enough player to merit getting a locker and a practice pinnie for fall ball in college. People will tell you a lot of things, but what I am telling you is it doesn't matter if Hop or UNC is full on 2018s or 2019s now. There is no such thing as a coach who doesn't love the free option on a kid who is good enough to compete on the practice field in fall. If your son is better than the kids who did all this NLF and other crap ad got committed in 9th grade, at that point your son will play and that kid will sit. Just focus on playing live and playing hard in practice. If you are better and deserving, you'll have nothing to worry about later.

Congrats to your son. However, you do realize your story is about as far out of the norm as any I've ever heard? Right?Many if not most Lacrosse kids "need" lacrosse to get them into a top ranked academic school. To be the kid that has the grades to get into a Duke, Hop or an Ivy on grades alone is a huge accomplishment. Entry to those schools is usually reserved for the top 2 or three kids in any school district, as well as the members of certain underrepresented groups with far lower grades. Those are the only two ways into these top schools for non-recruited athletes. Now, couple this with the fact that your son is also an athlete, so special, that he eclipses the talent of ranked players, and also goes unnoticed by the top D1 programs. This makes yours' a truly unique situation. With that said, for you give people advise that this is some kind route for a kid to try and follow, is absolutely ridiculous.

Ridiculous is what you are assuming. Trevor Baptiste started playing lacrosse as a high school soph. Fowler was recruited to be a FOGO when he was already enrolled at Duke. Let's examine Hopkins. My son applied there. Hopkins accepts about 15% of applicants. My son had 3.9 GPA then 4.6 WGPA and 93 percentile in the ACT. He got into Hopkins and UVA. At neither school did he get any push or pull for lacrosse. Lacrosse was just listed as an activity with accomplishments. He also did two summer volunteer summers tutoring underprivileged kids. He didn't do any Jake Reed crap beyond club lacrosse because of that schedule. Kids who get into Hop or UVA look like that profile. My son also applied to 6 Ivies and got into 2 and attended one of those.

What you are writing out is that without the gift of lacrosse a boy won't have his secured spot at a chosen school. That is a valid point. My son was, after all, qualified but didn't get into 4 Ivies or Amherst the last one on the list he applied to. What you wrote also means this to me: only lacrosse can save a boy who doesn't belong at Hop, Duke, UVA, Michigan, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Ivy. If a kid needs so much saving he is taking a spot from the straight up better students who have earned them to these colleges. It cuts both ways. Lacrosse parents lament plenty about all those undeserving kids reclassifying or going to prep schools to gobble up sports spots at colleges. That is all misguided. The best position your son can be in is to be qualified to be admitted at a selective college and then apply to several of them.

If you also think only the very special young recruits are suited to play college lacrosse, that is even more misguided. For every IL or RR ranked 9th grader today is a dozen just as good today and better tomorrow. And only tomorrow's count if you way to play a college sport in 2-3 years. I wish parents and kids would refocus on what is important over what is popular. Getting a Twitter shout is a hollow thing if you have bigger plans.

Thanks for your insight. As a father of a very young lacrosse player, your response is very refreshing and enlightening. We put way too much pressure on our kids (at too young of an age) and ourselves in trying to develop the next lacrosse stud. I'd love for my son to be an excellent student first and then an athlete. Academics will provide many more opportunities in life..........

Originally Posted by lefty67

Thanks for your insight. As a father of a very young lacrosse player, your response is very refreshing and enlightening. We put way too much pressure on our kids (at too young of an age) and ourselves in trying to develop the next lacrosse stud. I'd love for my son to be an excellent student first and then an athlete. Academics will provide many more opportunities in life..........

It disheartens me when lacrosse parents go all palms up to say 'well, you do get it that most lacrosse recruits need help to get in and without lacrosse they'd never get in'....well, I wonder why that is. Lacrosse kids aren't stupid. The lacrosse demographic isn't poor. A good many of these kids in this demographic attend some very good private schools. I don't hear lacrosse parents complaining that their 3.9 GPA and 90s percentile ACT or SAT kid is getting screwed or cheated out of all 8 selective colleges the kid applied to. The worse outcome is a would be great student who is just a great lacrosse player who needs the second to save him. If your 18 year old gets to that point, you really failed as a parent. That isn't my daddy bragging. It is really hard to carve an impressionable 8th or 9th grade boy away from a bad imbalance. It is possible to be a great student and a great lacrosse player in high school and parents and kids should be willing to take ownership that both are important.

Summer Tourny schedules out for some 2019 teams. Anyone have an idea which tourneys Express will be playing in?

The directors have not posted anything for any team yet.

I am already posting on the 2018 thread to see where they were last summer

With the new NLF, Do not know what to think. 4 teams -- 2 really good -- where do they go????

Thoughts????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ridiculous is what you are assuming. Trevor Baptiste started playing lacrosse as a high school soph. Fowler was recruited to be a FOGO when he was already enrolled at Duke. Let's examine Hopkins. My son applied there. Hopkins accepts about 15% of applicants. My son had 3.9 GPA then 4.6 WGPA and 93 percentile in the ACT. He got into Hopkins and UVA. At neither school did he get any push or pull for lacrosse. Lacrosse was just listed as an activity with accomplishments. He also did two summer volunteer summers tutoring underprivileged kids. He didn't do any Jake Reed crap beyond club lacrosse because of that schedule. Kids who get into Hop or UVA look like that profile. My son also applied to 6 Ivies and got into 2 and attended one of those.

What you are writing out is that without the gift of lacrosse a boy won't have his secured spot at a chosen school. That is a valid point. My son was, after all, qualified but didn't get into 4 Ivies or Amherst the last one on the list he applied to. What you wrote also means this to me: only lacrosse can save a boy who doesn't belong at Hop, Duke, UVA, Michigan, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Ivy. If a kid needs so much saving he is taking a spot from the straight up better students who have earned them to these colleges. It cuts both ways. Lacrosse parents lament plenty about all those undeserving kids reclassifying or going to prep schools to gobble up sports spots at colleges. That is all misguided. The best position your son can be in is to be qualified to be admitted at a selective college and then apply to several of them.

If you also think only the very special young recruits are suited to play college lacrosse, that is even more misguided. For every IL or RR ranked 9th grader today is a dozen just as good today and better tomorrow. And only tomorrow's count if you way to play a college sport in 2-3 years. I wish parents and kids would refocus on what is important over what is popular. Getting a Twitter shout is a hollow thing if you have bigger plans.

Agree with this, should be the focus, and many people have gotten their priorities way out of whack.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ridiculous is what you are assuming. Trevor Baptiste started playing lacrosse as a high school soph. Fowler was recruited to be a FOGO when he was already enrolled at Duke. Let's examine Hopkins. My son applied there. Hopkins accepts about 15% of applicants. My son had 3.9 GPA then 4.6 WGPA and 93 percentile in the ACT. He got into Hopkins and UVA. At neither school did he get any push or pull for lacrosse. Lacrosse was just listed as an activity with accomplishments. He also did two summer volunteer summers tutoring underprivileged kids. He didn't do any Jake Reed crap beyond club lacrosse because of that schedule. Kids who get into Hop or UVA look like that profile. My son also applied to 6 Ivies and got into 2 and attended one of those.

What you are writing out is that without the gift of lacrosse a boy won't have his secured spot at a chosen school. That is a valid point. My son was, after all, qualified but didn't get into 4 Ivies or Amherst the last one on the list he applied to. What you wrote also means this to me: only lacrosse can save a boy who doesn't belong at Hop, Duke, UVA, Michigan, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Ivy. If a kid needs so much saving he is taking a spot from the straight up better students who have earned them to these colleges. It cuts both ways. Lacrosse parents lament plenty about all those undeserving kids reclassifying or going to prep schools to gobble up sports spots at colleges. That is all misguided. The best position your son can be in is to be qualified to be admitted at a selective college and then apply to several of them.

If you also think only the very special young recruits are suited to play college lacrosse, that is even more misguided. For every IL or RR ranked 9th grader today is a dozen just as good today and better tomorrow. And only tomorrow's count if you way to play a college sport in 2-3 years. I wish parents and kids would refocus on what is important over what is popular. Getting a Twitter shout is a hollow thing if you have bigger plans.

Good posts but . .

(1) For many top schools like Duke, there are many more qualified applicants than spots. A "hook" like lax matters even for a legacy.

(2) I asked my in-state ACC coach last year about walk-ons. He said they only really look if they have a need to fill.

So I like your points but can only wish them to be fully valid.

I'm sure your instate ACC coach was telling u the truth. I'm sure if a 6'3" 210 lb kid who runs like the wind walked on he'd change is mind . Especially when the early commit he has is still 5'9" a buck 60 . Let's be rational , the grass is always greener .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF in FL this wkend. Saw it was the first yr. If you sent your son, pls update us on the weekend. Thinking it is going to be run like 3d with players dorming.

Thank you.

Talent level is off the charts here at NLF

what colleges sent coaches?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm sure your instate ACC coach was telling u the truth. I'm sure if a 6'3" 210 lb kid who runs like the wind walked on he'd change is mind . Especially when the early commit he has is still 5'9" a buck 60 . Let's be rational , the grass is always greener .

5-10 years ago UVA would never consider walk ons or late transfers, but in the recent 3 years has lived off it. Their FOGO last year was an unrecruited transfer and they kept two unrecruited walk ons. Two years ago their best player was a transfer from Lynchburg College. The difference now is early recruiting. When the top juniors and seniors were recruited you had more certainty. Today, it is not only possible a bigger, better athlete who can play goes unrecruited and arrives with the kid who was tops in 8th grade but went sideways later in high school. These coaches will continue to see a lot of spoilage and will need any and every access to kids who can play. Some schools like Maryland and Cuse are just saying come one and come all. Then it is like a club ball tryout in the fall with 75-85 kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF in FL this wkend. Saw it was the first yr. If you sent your son, pls update us on the weekend. Thinking it is going to be run like 3d with players dorming.

Thank you.

Talent level is off the charts here at NLF

what colleges sent coaches?

Also, who were final 4 teams and winners in 2019 age group?

Many of you have headed off to School prospect days this Fall/Winter. Do you feel it was imperative to go as a freshman to get your son noticed or get his name on a list. How did you hear about these days? Was it fellow teammates, Directors or your own investigation. If all of the above what % was each.

With all of the talk about the players being young and the potential for the colleges to slow down, did that impact any of your decisions to slow it down a bit (and maybe save some $$). I want to be penny wise but not lb foolish.

I suspect the earth doesn't move when you go to prospect days, but an embedded plus to them is to see a college campus via an admissions tour. Obviously for a 9th or 10th grader there won't be interviews or anything formal. But for the going rate of $150-$250 for a day on the field and on your own checking out a school that is a great way to establish a focus list for colleges whether or not you are really being recruited. I am always stunned when I ask people after they come home from a prospect day how they liked the campus to hear they didn't even see the campus. I believe these things are equally valuable for non-lacrosse reasons and that should be taken advantage of. Even if the NCAA puts a pill into early recruiting, attending a college camp day is still a good idea. By the time a kid is a junior he will have some knowledge about what is best for him and will have a better chance to be happy with his list when he's ready to apply to colleges. This is all through the lens of a dad who did have a son play ranked D1, but as a lightly recruited walk on. The best part of it for us is he picked a college -- college lacrosse didn't pick him. It worked out great. Use prospect days as nothing more than a chance to check out schools of interest and to learn about the lacrosse program. Here's a little secret -- some head coaches are real overbearing jerks. Some are terrific human beings. You can always see and feel that when you do a prospect day. It has a great value.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many of you have headed off to School prospect days this Fall/Winter. Do you feel it was imperative to go as a freshman to get your son noticed or get his name on a list. How did you hear about these days? Was it fellow teammates, Directors or your own investigation. If all of the above what % was each.

With all of the talk about the players being young and the potential for the colleges to slow down, did that impact any of your decisions to slow it down a bit (and maybe save some $$). I want to be penny wise but not lb foolish.

My son is a 2018 and he just verballed to a mid D1 school. The school had been looking at him and they invited him to their prospect day. He happened to have a phenomenal day at the prospect day and the coaches invited him for an overnight the following week. He loved the campus and the current players and especially the coaching staff. They made him an offer right away and he ended up deciding to take it. So in my experience if there is mutual interest the prospect day is a vital part of the process, my son would not have been offered without it. It also obviously gave us the opportunity to see the campus and meet the coaching staff in person. Having said all that, if there was no interest from the coaching staff, we would have not wasted our time going to the prospect day. We went to a few others and I found it to be a waste of time because my son was not on the radar at those schools. Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many of you have headed off to School prospect days this Fall/Winter. Do you feel it was imperative to go as a freshman to get your son noticed or get his name on a list. How did you hear about these days? Was it fellow teammates, Directors or your own investigation. If all of the above what % was each.

With all of the talk about the players being young and the potential for the colleges to slow down, did that impact any of your decisions to slow it down a bit (and maybe save some $$). I want to be penny wise but not lb foolish.

My son is a 2018 and he just verballed to a mid D1 school. The school had been looking at him and they invited him to their prospect day. He happened to have a phenomenal day at the prospect day and the coaches invited him for an overnight the following week. He loved the campus and the current players and especially the coaching staff. They made him an offer right away and he ended up deciding to take it. So in my experience if there is mutual interest the prospect day is a vital part of the process, my son would not have been offered without it. It also obviously gave us the opportunity to see the campus and meet the coaching staff in person. Having said all that, if there was no interest from the coaching staff, we would have not wasted our time going to the prospect day. We went to a few others and I found it to be a waste of time because my son was not on the radar at those schools. Hope this helps.

I guess the question is how are you finding out about the prospect days, through club, school, other

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many of you have headed off to School prospect days this Fall/Winter. Do you feel it was imperative to go as a freshman to get your son noticed or get his name on a list. How did you hear about these days? Was it fellow teammates, Directors or your own investigation. If all of the above what % was each.

With all of the talk about the players being young and the potential for the colleges to slow down, did that impact any of your decisions to slow it down a bit (and maybe save some $$). I want to be penny wise but not lb foolish.

My son is a 2018 and he just verballed to a mid D1 school. The school had been looking at him and they invited him to their prospect day. He happened to have a phenomenal day at the prospect day and the coaches invited him for an overnight the following week. He loved the campus and the current players and especially the coaching staff. They made him an offer right away and he ended up deciding to take it. So in my experience if there is mutual interest the prospect day is a vital part of the process, my son would not have been offered without it. It also obviously gave us the opportunity to see the campus and meet the coaching staff in person. Having said all that, if there was no interest from the coaching staff, we would have not wasted our time going to the prospect day. We went to a few others and I found it to be a waste of time because my son was not on the radar at those schools. Hope this helps.

I guess the question is how are you finding out about the prospect days, through club, school, other

All college programs have recruiting questionnaires on their website. If you fill it out, youll get added to their mailing list and you will be notified when they have events. Also if you email the coaching staff your sons video and information they will usually email you about prospect days as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many of you have headed off to School prospect days this Fall/Winter. Do you feel it was imperative to go as a freshman to get your son noticed or get his name on a list. How did you hear about these days? Was it fellow teammates, Directors or your own investigation. If all of the above what % was each.

With all of the talk about the players being young and the potential for the colleges to slow down, did that impact any of your decisions to slow it down a bit (and maybe save some $$). I want to be penny wise but not lb foolish.

My son is a 2018 and he just verballed to a mid D1 school. The school had been looking at him and they invited him to their prospect day. He happened to have a phenomenal day at the prospect day and the coaches invited him for an overnight the following week. He loved the campus and the current players and especially the coaching staff. They made him an offer right away and he ended up deciding to take it. So in my experience if there is mutual interest the prospect day is a vital part of the process, my son would not have been offered without it. It also obviously gave us the opportunity to see the campus and meet the coaching staff in person. Having said all that, if there was no interest from the coaching staff, we would have not wasted our time going to the prospect day. We went to a few others and I found it to be a waste of time because my son was not on the radar at those schools. Hope this helps.

I guess the question is how are you finding out about the prospect days, through club, school, other

Just attending random prospect camps may be good for the experience but don't expect a response. If your sons club or HS coach tells you XYZ college would like your son to attend their prospect camp and there may be interest in attending the school, then you attend. College coaches get around the NCAA by communicating through the club or HS coach.

They had a lot Coaches from Georgetown, Michigan, Maryland,Virginia, North Carolina,Syracuse and many others. Well organized and great deal of talent. All teams seamed to be equal with talented young men. My son team had variety kids from around the country 1/91 1/ Express 2/ crab and several other team helmets. Final 4 teams were Hopkins, Virginia, Georgetown North Carolina . For the Championship it was North Carolina vs Virginia and Virgina won not sure score 8-5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF in FL this wkend. Saw it was the first yr. If you sent your son, pls update us on the weekend. Thinking it is going to be run like 3d with players dorming.

Thank you.

Talent level is off the charts here at NLF

what colleges sent coaches?

They had a lot Coaches from Georgetown, Michigan, Maryland,Virginia, North Carolina,Syracuse and many others. Well organized and great deal of talent. All teams seamed to be equal with talented young men. My son team had variety kids from around the country 1/91 1/ Express 2/ crab and several other team helmets. Final 4 teams were Hopkins, Virginia, Georgetown North Carolina . For the Championship it was North Carolina vs Virginia and Virgina won not sure score 8-5

The NLF Showcase Florida was great experience and the amount of coaches and the instruction was well worth it & Well Organized ! At the end they made teams even and the top kids won!

Sounds like they got their act together as the NLF summer event wasn't worth attending.

[quote=Anonymous]It seems borderline predatory that these organizations are conducting these high level events in Florida in January.

I'm sure if you have the money its a great time, but it definitely creates a gap between players that can afford it and those who cannot.

It has reached the saturation point. If your son is on a good team, Club and HS, and plays in good tournaments, he will get noticed. Spend your money on prospect days at schools he is interested in. The showcase events are increasingly for good players on bad teams.

That is a ridiculous comment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is a ridiculous comment.

To some extent, I agree with the guy. My son has gotten more recognition playing with his team(s) at good tournaments and at prospect days than he has at showcase events. The style of play rrquired to stand out at most showcases is horrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is a ridiculous comment.

To some extent, I agree with the guy. My son has gotten more recognition playing with his team(s) at good tournaments and at prospect days than he has at showcase events. The style of play rrquired to stand out at most showcases is horrible.

I second this

Amen brother. Finally a parent that puts his kids academics ahead of lax. My son gave up college sports to stay focused on his school work. His GPA went up to a 3.7 from a 3.0 because he wasn't playing college sports and is now on the dean's list. I told him that I would miss watching him play but the fact that he is doing better in his studies is far more important then any sport. Playing sports takes up a lot of time for a student and less time on his studies. Being in a pre med program he has made himself able for academic money when he goes on to graduate school. Your son is a unique kid. Happy for him. If he should feel that his studies are not where they need to be then back up his decision or encourage him to focus on his schooling. Parents are all into the lax and not much mentioned about a kids academics or future.

Over 75 2019 Verbals but only 13 schools with confirmed verbals. Which programs do other people see as poised to make the biggest jump by waiting?

There are tons of great players who have not committed. These colleges are banking on these kids as the next best thing. And some might but I bet some won't see the field where they are going. Gurantee the schools like Fairfield georgetown Villanova and the Bryant's of the world are going to benefit and get those great players down the road. And parity will still continue at the division 1 level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over 75 2019 Verbals but only 13 schools with confirmed verbals. Which programs do other people see as poised to make the biggest jump by waiting?

There another 9 each for Penn and Duke, so the total is really 93 so far.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over 75 2019 Verbals but only 13 schools with confirmed verbals. Which programs do other people see as poised to make the biggest jump by waiting?

There another 9 each for Penn and Duke, so the total is really 93 so far.

I find it hard to believe that all of the media outlets who do nothing other than cover lacrosse recruiting haven't even hinted at this, but some random BOTC user has the inside track?

There is no way that a school that is as academically selective as Penn would have 9 Freshman verbals that they are attempting to keep secret from everyone but you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are tons of great players who have not committed. These colleges are banking on these kids as the next best thing. And some might but I bet some won't see the field where they are going. Gurantee the schools like Fairfield georgetown Villanova and the Bryant's of the world are going to benefit and get those great players down the road. And parity will still continue at the division 1 level.

I like what Villanova has done. Very strong incoming classes and adding players as transfers, I think they are in a great spot.

I also really like what Towson has done, that is a program that could return to the highest level.

I have heard too that duke and penn have verbals. The schools don't want it publicized now. But the facts are parity along division 1 will remain because these coaches from the high profile schools grab the man child now but many will not be that stud 4 yrs from now. Many of the verbals are very physically developed. Wait for the kids who didn't hit it yet. Many many solid players.

I had heard about the Duke commits as well. Said they can't make it public till first year grades come out.

There is going to be a lot of parody in the game of lacrosse like there has never been before. All these cant miss early commits that miss. Then there are the de-commits because of not making grades or after a few visits in 11th and 12th grade kid doesn't really like school or coach because they picked in 9th grade. There are also the late bloomers, the out west and our neighbors up north now sending a steady flow of players to US schools. I love it!!! Its actually good for the sport when on any given Saturday a team no one thought had a shot can beat another team. More athletes playing the game then ever before equals a lot of talent to chose from. I feel for these coaches trying to pic the best players in 9th and 10th grade.

Originally Posted by America's Game

There is going to be a lot of parody in the game of lacrosse like there has never been before. All these cant miss early commits that miss. Then there are the de-commits because of not making grades or after a few visits in 11th and 12th grade kid doesn't really like school or coach because they picked in 9th grade. There are also the late bloomers, the out west and our neighbors up north now sending a steady flow of players to US schools. I love it!!! Its actually good for the sport when on any given Saturday a team no one thought had a shot can beat another team. More athletes playing the game then ever before equals a lot of talent to chose from. I feel for these coaches trying to pic the best players in 9th and 10th grade.

Bottom line..the only people who care if Duke is holding back on naming the kids who gave verbals is Duke and the parents of those kids..The parents want to tell their friends and it is killing them that they can't yet..although privately they already have..Its called ego and parents have them more then kids..Crazy but true..if your kid hasn't decided where to go to school as a 14 or 15 year old kid that's ok ..Your not expected to yet...Patience patience ..parents let the kids be kids and not an adult yet

I understand what you are saying about patience but all these schools 2019s are gonna be full by the summer. Only bottom of division 1 and a few here and there will be open. So unfortunately patience is wearing thin. Even West Point has a 2019 verbal. That is crazy!

All the buses will be full? No. I posted a few weeks ago that my son walked on at a selective college he just applied to and was admitted into. They also had a ranked team and my son would up playing a lot and did well. I wonder now how much harder it would have been for him to survive the social forces to say no to the less selective schools just for the moment to say committed to play D1 lacrosse. In truth, early recruiting is already a disaster. My son graduated last spring and he noted that there is already a noticeable quality gap in recruiting classes which is going worse every year. The coaches know it, but are also just keeping on with going through the motions to fill up spots. The earlier poster is also correct. Duke recruits and commits 9th graders. They've been offering 9th graders for a few years now but just seem married to wanting to deny that to keep some prestige or higher ground versus the other ones. Better to just be honest. Penn got blasted PR wise last year with the 9th grader commitpalooza tour and this year they are not doing anything different, they are merely keeping the same thing non public.

Look -- if your kid is a very good or excellent student, you really want him to go for a partial athletic scholarship to VMI, High Point or Furman (just to name three a kid like that would not even apply to if not for the lacrosse drug)??? I'd hope not. Very good or excellent students should shirk all this and just apply and get into a selective school. Then if they are strong players, they will be able to walk on. Especially now with the huge spoilage in the early recruiting game. The only thing this kid loses is a childish Twitter handle saying XYZ College 2022 or whatever, which is worthless. If an average or below average student, I get it that lacrosse can make way for a kid to be able to get admitted to a college. That said, at least in the Maryland and LI demographic for lacrosse I've seen, this is usually not the case. Proud and pushy dads are really pointing their kids toward disaster to push so hard for some colleges which aren't likely to serve their kids well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I understand what you are saying about patience but all these schools 2019s are gonna be full by the summer. Only bottom of division 1 and a few here and there will be open. So unfortunately patience is wearing thin. Even West Point has a 2019 verbal. That is crazy!

I don't think that will be the case . Verbal does not mean they are guaranteed any money. If the school or child want to cancel the verbal it will be done. It really means nothing..these schools want the verbal from you this way if 1/4 or 1/2 commit it's a home run. verbals help the parent not the child. If a kid decides he wants to major in architecture why would he go to Hopkins .. think about it..he might have committed to them at first but realized later it wasn't a good fit. What if the school offers them 5k and the parents thought they would get 30k ..then what happens

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

There is going to be a lot of parody in the game of lacrosse like there has never been before. All these cant miss early commits that miss. Then there are the de-commits because of not making grades or after a few visits in 11th and 12th grade kid doesn't really like school or coach because they picked in 9th grade. There are also the late bloomers, the out west and our neighbors up north now sending a steady flow of players to US schools. I love it!!! Its actually good for the sport when on any given Saturday a team no one thought had a shot can beat another team. More athletes playing the game then ever before equals a lot of talent to chose from. I feel for these coaches trying to pic the best players in 9th and 10th grade.

Bottom line..the only people who care if Duke is holding back on naming the kids who gave verbals is Duke and the parents of those kids..The parents want to tell their friends and it is killing them that they can't yet..although privately they already have..Its called ego and parents have them more then kids..Crazy but true..if your kid hasn't decided where to go to school as a 14 or 15 year old kid that's ok ..Your not expected to yet...Patience patience ..parents let the kids be kids and not an adult yet

Sorry, not the way that it works. Schools do not tell the parents or the kids that they can't tell anyone. Some schools ask that you do not make a "public announcement" to any media outlets. Some Ivy's ask that if you make a public announcement you simply state that you are committed to "an Ivy". In any event it is not the parents of the top players who are driving the process. The college coaches are the ones pursuing the "Top Players" players and making the offers.
For the most part, the kids who have been offered spots are in the top 10% of the class. Currently there are between 75 and 100 kids committed to 15 - 20 schools. There are about 30 clubs represented and I think 100% of the commits play Club Lacrosse.

There will be at least 700 DI commits in the 2019 class so I agree that parents and players should be patient. However, if you are being "offered a spot and or scholarship from Duke, Virginia, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Hopkins, Penn, Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Air Force, North Carolina, Syracuse, Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Denver, Michigan etc.. I would not hold out too long. There are a limited number of spots (and $$) and they will fill up. If you have no interest in any of the above schools that is a different story. If your kid is receiving offers from the schools listed I am sure that you will be able to right your own ticket at just about all of the other schools.

As I am navigating the recruiting process and refocusing what is important for my son for the long term, I can't help but think the Ivy's and Patriot league programs will continue to strengthen as top talent looks to the education and post graduation career prospects. We have looked at some of the top lacrosse programs but some are really lacking the career stats once Johnny graduates and puts down his stock. Then you look at some of the Patriot programs and their academic prowess and career success of graduates. Its undeniable.

Do you want your son walking into an interview with a Bucknell degree (along with their alumni network) or Maryland degree?

I am not sure - ask Kevin Plank ....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As I am navigating the recruiting process and refocusing what is important for my son for the long term, I can't help but think the Ivy's and Patriot league programs will continue to strengthen as top talent looks to the education and post graduation career prospects. We have looked at some of the top lacrosse programs but some are really lacking the career stats once Johnny graduates and puts down his stock. Then you look at some of the Patriot programs and their academic prowess and career success of graduates. Its undeniable.

Do you want your son walking into an interview with a Bucknell degree (along with their alumni network) or Maryland degree?

You "looked" at some of the top lacrosse schools or your son was "recruited and offered" a spot at some of the top lacrosse schools? because I can guarantee that if Duke, North Carolina, Maryland, Hopkins, Notre Dame and Virginia are offering all of the Ivy's will want your son as well.

Since you are in the business of disparaging certain schools... Please do not equate patriot with Ivy. Do you want your kid walking into an interview with a Harvard Degree (along with their alumni network) or a Bucknell degree? I know plenty of very successful people with degrees from Cornell, Princeton, Penn, Harvard, Brown, Yale, Hopkins, Duke, Notre Dame, Virginia, Penn State, North Carolina, Maryland, Michigan Rutgers as well as many other schools. There is a "good fit" for all. Most of the best "lacrosse schools" are also strong academic schools. If you kid is not going to Harvard Princeton or Yale please do not try to make their choice out to be superior to all others. Sorry but patriot is not Ivy and Bucknell is not Harvard.

If your son was (or is) offered a spot at some of the top lacrosse schools (Duke, Cornell, Princeton, Notre Dame, Yale, Virginia, North Carolina etc..) and you guid him to Bucknell that is your choice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As I am navigating the recruiting process and refocusing what is important for my son for the long term, I can't help but think the Ivy's and Patriot league programs will continue to strengthen as top talent looks to the education and post graduation career prospects. We have looked at some of the top lacrosse programs but some are really lacking the career stats once Johnny graduates and puts down his stock. Then you look at some of the Patriot programs and their academic prowess and career success of graduates. Its undeniable.

Do you want your son walking into an interview with a Bucknell degree (along with their alumni network) or Maryland degree?

I am a huge Bucknell fan but to wide of a scope. Those are two very polar opposite schools. Not sure the kid who wants Bucknell wants Maryland or vica versa.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As I am navigating the recruiting process and refocusing what is important for my son for the long term, I can't help but think the Ivy's and Patriot league programs will continue to strengthen as top talent looks to the education and post graduation career prospects. We have looked at some of the top lacrosse programs but some are really lacking the career stats once Johnny graduates and puts down his stock. Then you look at some of the Patriot programs and their academic prowess and career success of graduates. Its undeniable.

Do you want your son walking into an interview with a Bucknell degree (along with their alumni network) or Maryland degree?

I am a huge Bucknell fan but to wide of a scope. Those are two very polar opposite schools. Not sure the kid who wants Bucknell wants Maryland or vica versa.

I dont think anyone could argue that you are probably spot on that a student athlete who wants Bucknell would definitely want to be considered for an Ivy, Duke, Notre Dame or UNC.

Just keep the grades up and your nose clean and it either will or wont work out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As I am navigating the recruiting process and refocusing what is important for my son for the long term, I can't help but think the Ivy's and Patriot league programs will continue to strengthen as top talent looks to the education and post graduation career prospects. We have looked at some of the top lacrosse programs but some are really lacking the career stats once Johnny graduates and puts down his stock. Then you look at some of the Patriot programs and their academic prowess and career success of graduates. Its undeniable.

Do you want your son walking into an interview with a Bucknell degree (along with their alumni network) or Maryland degree?

You "looked" at some of the top lacrosse schools or your son was "recruited and offered" a spot at some of the top lacrosse schools? because I can guarantee that if Duke, North Carolina, Maryland, Hopkins, Notre Dame and Virginia are offering all of the Ivy's will want your son as well.

Since you are in the business of disparaging certain schools... Please do not equate patriot with Ivy. Do you want your kid walking into an interview with a Harvard Degree (along with their alumni network) or a Bucknell degree? I know plenty of very successful people with degrees from Cornell, Princeton, Penn, Harvard, Brown, Yale, Hopkins, Duke, Notre Dame, Virginia, Penn State, North Carolina, Maryland, Michigan Rutgers as well as many other schools. There is a "good fit" for all. Most of the best "lacrosse schools" are also strong academic schools. If you kid is not going to Harvard Princeton or Yale please do not try to make their choice out to be superior to all others. Sorry but patriot is not Ivy and Bucknell is not Harvard.

If your son was (or is) offered a spot at some of the top lacrosse schools (Duke, Cornell, Princeton, Notre Dame, Yale, Virginia, North Carolina etc..) and you guid him to Bucknell that is your choice.

Mr. Thin Skin: I posted schools as examples, not disparaging. I really don't think anyone would argue you can't compare Maryland to Bucknell, but if you want to whine---be my guest.

A guy (or gal) really can't start an innocuous thread without at least one person jumping all the way down his throat. I see the point that was being made.

If a player attends a Bucknell-type university, the education and after school opportunities one would expect to be much more robust than a Maryland-type university. So, one can assume most kids and their parents want the best education and career opportunities as possible. Therefore, besides the top schools with strong lax programs (Duke, ND, etc) kids might start focusing more on Ivy's and Patriot league. I get it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As I am navigating the recruiting process and refocusing what is important for my son for the long term, I can't help but think the Ivy's and Patriot league programs will continue to strengthen as top talent looks to the education and post graduation career prospects. We have looked at some of the top lacrosse programs but some are really lacking the career stats once Johnny graduates and puts down his stock. Then you look at some of the Patriot programs and their academic prowess and career success of graduates. Its undeniable.

Do you want your son walking into an interview with a Bucknell degree (along with their alumni network) or Maryland degree?

You "looked" at some of the top lacrosse schools or your son was "recruited and offered" a spot at some of the top lacrosse schools? because I can guarantee that if Duke, North Carolina, Maryland, Hopkins, Notre Dame and Virginia are offering all of the Ivy's will want your son as well.

Since you are in the business of disparaging certain schools... Please do not equate patriot with Ivy. Do you want your kid walking into an interview with a Harvard Degree (along with their alumni network) or a Bucknell degree? I know plenty of very successful people with degrees from Cornell, Princeton, Penn, Harvard, Brown, Yale, Hopkins, Duke, Notre Dame, Virginia, Penn State, North Carolina, Maryland, Michigan Rutgers as well as many other schools. There is a "good fit" for all. Most of the best "lacrosse schools" are also strong academic schools. If you kid is not going to Harvard Princeton or Yale please do not try to make their choice out to be superior to all others. Sorry but patriot is not Ivy and Bucknell is not Harvard.

If your son was (or is) offered a spot at some of the top lacrosse schools (Duke, Cornell, Princeton, Notre Dame, Yale, Virginia, North Carolina etc..) and you guid him to Bucknell that is your choice.

Mr. Thin Skin: I posted schools as examples, not disparaging. I really don't think anyone would argue you can't compare Maryland to Bucknell, but if you want to whine---be my guest.

Not whining at all and no thin skin. Just do not think patriot and Ivy should be mentioned together as if they are the same. High end lacrosse players striving to go to an Ivy is nothing new.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

There is going to be a lot of parody in the game of lacrosse like there has never been before. All these cant miss early commits that miss. Then there are the de-commits because of not making grades or after a few visits in 11th and 12th grade kid doesn't really like school or coach because they picked in 9th grade. There are also the late bloomers, the out west and our neighbors up north now sending a steady flow of players to US schools. I love it!!! Its actually good for the sport when on any given Saturday a team no one thought had a shot can beat another team. More athletes playing the game then ever before equals a lot of talent to chose from. I feel for these coaches trying to pic the best players in 9th and 10th grade.

Bottom line..the only people who care if Duke is holding back on naming the kids who gave verbals is Duke and the parents of those kids..The parents want to tell their friends and it is killing them that they can't yet..although privately they already have..Its called ego and parents have them more then kids..Crazy but true..if your kid hasn't decided where to go to school as a 14 or 15 year old kid that's ok ..Your not expected to yet...Patience patience ..parents let the kids be kids and not an adult yet

Sorry, not the way that it works. Schools do not tell the parents or the kids that they can't tell anyone. Some schools ask that you do not make a "public announcement" to any media outlets. Some Ivy's ask that if you make a public announcement you simply state that you are committed to "an Ivy". In any event it is not the parents of the top players who are driving the process. The college coaches are the ones pursuing the "Top Players" players and making the offers.
For the most part, the kids who have been offered spots are in the top 10% of the class. Currently there are between 75 and 100 kids committed to 15 - 20 schools. There are about 30 clubs represented and I think 100% of the commits play Club Lacrosse.

There will be at least 700 DI commits in the 2019 class so I agree that parents and players should be patient. However, if you are being "offered a spot and or scholarship from Duke, Virginia, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Hopkins, Penn, Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Air Force, North Carolina, Syracuse, Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Denver, Michigan etc.. I would not hold out too long. There are a limited number of spots (and $$) and they will fill up. If you have no interest in any of the above schools that is a different story. If your kid is receiving offers from the schools listed I am sure that you will be able to right your own ticket at just about all of the other schools.

So you are telling me that Duke and NC have offered these kids free rides already?..I didn't think it happened like that..so no reason to go any of their prospect days when they already have chosen their kids ..Thanks for clarifying that..saved me a lot of money

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

There is going to be a lot of parody in the game of lacrosse like there has never been before. All these cant miss early commits that miss. Then there are the de-commits because of not making grades or after a few visits in 11th and 12th grade kid doesn't really like school or coach because they picked in 9th grade. There are also the late bloomers, the out west and our neighbors up north now sending a steady flow of players to US schools. I love it!!! Its actually good for the sport when on any given Saturday a team no one thought had a shot can beat another team. More athletes playing the game then ever before equals a lot of talent to chose from. I feel for these coaches trying to pic the best players in 9th and 10th grade.

Bottom line..the only people who care if Duke is holding back on naming the kids who gave verbals is Duke and the parents of those kids..The parents want to tell their friends and it is killing them that they can't yet..although privately they already have..Its called ego and parents have them more then kids..Crazy but true..if your kid hasn't decided where to go to school as a 14 or 15 year old kid that's ok ..Your not expected to yet...Patience patience ..parents let the kids be kids and not an adult yet

Sorry, not the way that it works. Schools do not tell the parents or the kids that they can't tell anyone. Some schools ask that you do not make a "public announcement" to any media outlets. Some Ivy's ask that if you make a public announcement you simply state that you are committed to "an Ivy". In any event it is not the parents of the top players who are driving the process. The college coaches are the ones pursuing the "Top Players" players and making the offers.
For the most part, the kids who have been offered spots are in the top 10% of the class. Currently there are between 75 and 100 kids committed to 15 - 20 schools. There are about 30 clubs represented and I think 100% of the commits play Club Lacrosse.

There will be at least 700 DI commits in the 2019 class so I agree that parents and players should be patient. However, if you are being "offered a spot and or scholarship from Duke, Virginia, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Hopkins, Penn, Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Air Force, North Carolina, Syracuse, Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Denver, Michigan etc.. I would not hold out too long. There are a limited number of spots (and $$) and they will fill up. If you have no interest in any of the above schools that is a different story. If your kid is receiving offers from the schools listed I am sure that you will be able to right your own ticket at just about all of the other schools.

So you are telling me that Duke and NC have offered these kids free rides already?..I didn't think it happened like that..so no reason to go any of their prospect days when they already have chosen their kids ..Thanks for clarifying that..saved me a lot of money

Don't think the post says "free rides" as there is no such thing. Also don't think it says those programs r full. Since you can't do math, i'll do it for you. 75-100 kids committed to 15-20 programs. That is 5 per program. Each of these programs take 35-50 kids. So lets say 9-13 kids per class. So I think you can still take your kid to prospect camps. But it might be a waste if they suck.

Folks the ones who have committed already are the early bloomers. Boys who are mostly men now. Many are holdbacks. Many will turn out to be duds. Seen it all too many times. The 2018 and 2019 classes will see many decommits down the road.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

There is going to be a lot of parody in the game of lacrosse like there has never been before. All these cant miss early commits that miss. Then there are the de-commits because of not making grades or after a few visits in 11th and 12th grade kid doesn't really like school or coach because they picked in 9th grade. There are also the late bloomers, the out west and our neighbors up north now sending a steady flow of players to US schools. I love it!!! Its actually good for the sport when on any given Saturday a team no one thought had a shot can beat another team. More athletes playing the game then ever before equals a lot of talent to chose from. I feel for these coaches trying to pic the best players in 9th and 10th grade.

Bottom line..the only people who care if Duke is holding back on naming the kids who gave verbals is Duke and the parents of those kids..The parents want to tell their friends and it is killing them that they can't yet..although privately they already have..Its called ego and parents have them more then kids..Crazy but true..if your kid hasn't decided where to go to school as a 14 or 15 year old kid that's ok ..Your not expected to yet...Patience patience ..parents let the kids be kids and not an adult yet

Sorry, not the way that it works. Schools do not tell the parents or the kids that they can't tell anyone. Some schools ask that you do not make a "public announcement" to any media outlets. Some Ivy's ask that if you make a public announcement you simply state that you are committed to "an Ivy". In any event it is not the parents of the top players who are driving the process. The college coaches are the ones pursuing the "Top Players" players and making the offers.
For the most part, the kids who have been offered spots are in the top 10% of the class. Currently there are between 75 and 100 kids committed to 15 - 20 schools. There are about 30 clubs represented and I think 100% of the commits play Club Lacrosse.

There will be at least 700 DI commits in the 2019 class so I agree that parents and players should be patient. However, if you are being "offered a spot and or scholarship from Duke, Virginia, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Hopkins, Penn, Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Air Force, North Carolina, Syracuse, Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Denver, Michigan etc.. I would not hold out too long. There are a limited number of spots (and $$) and they will fill up. If you have no interest in any of the above schools that is a different story. If your kid is receiving offers from the schools listed I am sure that you will be able to right your own ticket at just about all of the other schools.

So you are telling me that Duke and NC have offered these kids free rides already?..I didn't think it happened like that..so no reason to go any of their prospect days when they already have chosen their kids ..Thanks for clarifying that..saved me a lot of money

Don't think the post says "free rides" as there is no such thing. Also don't think it says those programs r full. Since you can't do math, i'll do it for you. 75-100 kids committed to 15-20 programs. That is 5 per program. Each of these programs take 35-50 kids. So lets say 9-13 kids per class. So I think you can still take your kid to prospect camps. But it might be a waste if they suck.

So if you do the math then Maryland is full already correct ..or is my math wrong when they already have over 10 kids for this age..let me know if I am wrong

You are not wrong. However, there will be a bit of turnover and decomposition.

I think you are right. All the top 10 lacrosse schools will be done by end of this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are right. All the top 10 lacrosse schools will be done by end of this summer.

I guess they will send their prospect camp info out to the 2020
Kids now..it's such a joke and people buy into it. The coach may not be there 4 years from now. Your kids may change his ideas on a major 5 times before he graduates HS but they know what school they want to go to..These are the most mature kids I have ever seen. The parents deserve all the credit for what their kids have accomplished. They are the driving force behind the camps the kids go to. I love the kids visiting school at this age( like they know what they are looking for in a University or College). comical

Do the Denver commits think that Tierney will be still coaching at age 70? Just saying

Don't forget that there are schools within schools. As a parent it is easy to get wrapped up in the pedigree of a school and I think we all know successful people and idiots from top tier schools and people who have hit out of the park from lesser branded schools.

If have older kids who have gone through the college process with or without sports I think you really begin to see the ROI aspect of paying for a college education and in most cases in today's economy is it more about one's professional schooling.

There are obvious benefits of being able to tap into an established alumni network but hat is no guarantee of success.

One of the most talented guys I ever worked with was a Computer Science major from Maryland. He was one of the developers of Google Chrome and is very happy with the full academic ride he received and his multi million dollar net worth. There are a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Our son decided to go to state school with a good lacrosse program, and with the combination of merit and athletic money he is going to graduate will almost zero debt and with a very strong degree in which this school is very well respected.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that there are schools within schools. As a parent it is easy to get wrapped up in the pedigree of a school and I think we all know successful people and idiots from top tier schools and people who have hit out of the park from lesser branded schools.

If have older kids who have gone through the college process with or without sports I think you really begin to see the ROI aspect of paying for a college education and in most cases in today's economy is it more about one's professional schooling.

There are obvious benefits of being able to tap into an established alumni network but hat is no guarantee of success.

One of the most talented guys I ever worked with was a Computer Science major from Maryland. He was one of the developers of Google Chrome and is very happy with the full academic ride he received and his multi million dollar net worth. There are a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Our son decided to go to state school with a good lacrosse program, and with the combination of merit and athletic money he is going to graduate will almost zero debt and with a very strong degree in which this school is very well respected.

On average, a graduate from a Patriot/Ivy has a distinct advantage over a grad from a state school. The Google Chrome designer is a 1 in a million kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that there are schools within schools. As a parent it is easy to get wrapped up in the pedigree of a school and I think we all know successful people and idiots from top tier schools and people who have hit out of the park from lesser branded schools.

If have older kids who have gone through the college process with or without sports I think you really begin to see the ROI aspect of paying for a college education and in most cases in today's economy is it more about one's professional schooling.

There are obvious benefits of being able to tap into an established alumni network but hat is no guarantee of success.

One of the most talented guys I ever worked with was a Computer Science major from Maryland. He was one of the developers of Google Chrome and is very happy with the full academic ride he received and his multi million dollar net worth. There are a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Our son decided to go to state school with a good lacrosse program, and with the combination of merit and athletic money he is going to graduate will almost zero debt and with a very strong degree in which this school is very well respected.

On average, a graduate from a Patriot/Ivy has a distinct advantage over a grad from a state school. The Google Chrome designer is a 1 in a million kid.

LOL at this guy with a kid at a Patriot League school.

As I navigate the lacrosse recruiting world with my son: I have read a lot on it, been counseled on it, and experienced a lot personally.

1. 12.6 Scholarships per D1 team to be divided amongst all players. There are approximately 40-50 players per team. That's not a lot of money to be shared. Lacrosse is not like football where it is fully funded. FBS has 85 full scholarships to give out per team.

2. Numbers game. Coaches try and see and get as many kids interested in their program so they have as many options as possible.

3. Don't take what coaches say or do as gospel. They really are just trying to get best players for their team. They will say and do whatever it takes, its their job. I have heard it countless times "we don't take early commits" from coaches at recruiting seminars and showcases.I have had friends kids committed to that same Coach the week before in 9th grade before the first report card is out. Then while walking same coach approaches me and ask where is my son considering going can he have his coaches number. Want to set up a time to talk all while he was in 9th grade.

4. All of these early commits are just handshakes by both parties. A lot can change from 9th to 12th grade for player and coach. It's not a binding contract. There will be decommitts due to change of skill some players get worse or don't meet projection. Others realize they can get into a better school than the one they early committed to. Then there are players not meeting expectations in classroom. Coaches are not obligated to take you. Coaches leaving or getting fired and a whole slew of other reasons.

5. It's an amazing accomplishment to play D1 but parents it's not the end of the world if your kid doesn't. College lacrosse is not a means to an end. Enjoy the ride. It's a hard one for you and your child. The time and the money spent is incredible. The one thing you will never get back is the time spent with your kid as an 12, 13, and 14 year old. Spend the time wisely and enjoy them. Take this from a person that recently learned to step back and let his kids enjoy the game he loves.

Nice post and very good advice

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice post and very good advice

Usually I can be confrontational on here but you are right finally someone who makes a lot of sense..each kid will be fine as long as the parents ego does not get in the way

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that there are schools within schools. As a parent it is easy to get wrapped up in the pedigree of a school and I think we all know successful people and idiots from top tier schools and people who have hit out of the park from lesser branded schools.

If have older kids who have gone through the college process with or without sports I think you really begin to see the ROI aspect of paying for a college education and in most cases in today's economy is it more about one's professional schooling.

There are obvious benefits of being able to tap into an established alumni network but hat is no guarantee of success.

One of the most talented guys I ever worked with was a Computer Science major from Maryland. He was one of the developers of Google Chrome and is very happy with the full academic ride he received and his multi million dollar net worth. There are a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Our son decided to go to state school with a good lacrosse program, and with the combination of merit and athletic money he is going to graduate will almost zero debt and with a very strong degree in which this school is very well respected.

On average, a graduate from a Patriot/Ivy has a distinct advantage over a grad from a state school. The Google Chrome designer is a 1 in a million kid.

LOL at this guy with a kid at a Patriot League school.

No, a parent with a child considering a Patriot league school and a very good state school. More money coming from state school and far cheaper overall but perhaps the VALUE is the Patriot league school in the long run.

Any school can be a good school if the kid takes advantage of what the school has to offer and maximizes his opportunities. Seems to me that in the current climate its a lot more important where you go to graduate school and/or where you do your internship than where you do your undergrad. Obviously there are some terrific schools with incredible alumni networks, but dont get too stressed if your kid doesnt go to an Ivy or a Patriot.

Originally Posted by America's Game

As I navigate the lacrosse recruiting world with my son: I have read a lot on it, been counseled on it, and experienced a lot personally.

1. 12.6 Scholarships per D1 team to be divided amongst all players. There are approximately 40-50 players per team. That's not a lot of money to be shared. Lacrosse is not like football where it is fully funded. FBS has 85 full scholarships to give out per team.

2. Numbers game. Coaches try and see and get as many kids interested in their program so they have as many options as possible.

3. Don't take what coaches say or do as gospel. They really are just trying to get best players for their team. They will say and do whatever it takes, its their job. I have heard it countless times "we don't take early commits" from coaches at recruiting seminars and showcases.I have had friends kids committed to that same Coach the week before in 9th grade before the first report card is out. Then while walking same coach approaches me and ask where is my son considering going can he have his coaches number. Want to set up a time to talk all while he was in 9th grade.

4. All of these early commits are just handshakes by both parties. A lot can change from 9th to 12th grade for player and coach. It's not a binding contract. There will be decommitts due to change of skill some players get worse or don't meet projection. Others realize they can get into a better school than the one they early committed to. Then there are players not meeting expectations in classroom. Coaches are not obligated to take you. Coaches leaving or getting fired and a whole slew of other reasons.

5. It's an amazing accomplishment to play D1 but parents it's not the end of the world if your kid doesn't. College lacrosse is not a means to an end. Enjoy the ride. It's a hard one for you and your child. The time and the money spent is incredible. The one thing you will never get back is the time spent with your kid as an 12, 13, and 14 year old. Spend the time wisely and enjoy them. Take this from a person that recently learned to step back and let his kids enjoy the game he loves.

Thanks for sharing. Informative post with good facts. Good luck!

What a big joke..The one guy is releasing his top 15 2019 players.. Not hard to figure out when he praises mostly the same kids each time he writes. It gets old, so make sure you watch and see the same names mentioned over and over and over and over and over. ..Lol

Lol it's usually 8 clubs he really writes about. I'm sure you can figure out which ones. They go to the best recruiting tournaments. And different kids get write ups from same clubs after each tournament. Pretty funny

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol it's usually 8 clubs he really writes about. I'm sure you can figure out which ones. They go to the best recruiting tournaments. And different kids get write ups from same clubs after each tournament. Pretty funny

They may play on the best teams and it's hard to dispute but I would rather see them on teams that have less talent and see how they shine. I think it would help reassure their place among the top kids in their year . That goes for all ages

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that there are schools within schools. As a parent it is easy to get wrapped up in the pedigree of a school and I think we all know successful people and idiots from top tier schools and people who have hit out of the park from lesser branded schools.

If have older kids who have gone through the college process with or without sports I think you really begin to see the ROI aspect of paying for a college education and in most cases in today's economy is it more about one's professional schooling.

There are obvious benefits of being able to tap into an established alumni network but hat is no guarantee of success.

One of the most talented guys I ever worked with was a Computer Science major from Maryland. He was one of the developers of Google Chrome and is very happy with the full academic ride he received and his multi million dollar net worth. There are a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Our son decided to go to state school with a good lacrosse program, and with the combination of merit and athletic money he is going to graduate will almost zero debt and with a very strong degree in which this school is very well respected.

On average, a graduate from a Patriot/Ivy has a distinct advantage over a grad from a state school. The Google Chrome designer is a 1 in a million kid.

Again, another poster with the "patriot / Ivy" as if they are one and the same or equal. Nothing against the patriot schools but Becknell is not Harvard, Lehigh is not Princeton, Boston University is not Yale, Lafayette is not Penn. Get it, they do not equate. For some reason some on this site want to promote the Patriot schools by referencing them along with the Ivy's as a far superior choice to a State School.

To say that a student graduating from a Patriot League School will have far more advantages than a student graduating from a State School is foolish.

Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan, Penn State and Maryland are all "State Schools". Remove Lacrosse from the picture and I am not sure that I would choose a patriot school over any of them.

After the Ivy's its Hopkins, Duke, Notre Dame, Georgetown.

As far as academics / lacrosse go I would say the top 5 conferences are:

1 - Ivy
2 - ACC
3 - Big Ten
4 - Big East
5 � Patriot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that there are schools within schools. As a parent it is easy to get wrapped up in the pedigree of a school and I think we all know successful people and idiots from top tier schools and people who have hit out of the park from lesser branded schools.

If have older kids who have gone through the college process with or without sports I think you really begin to see the ROI aspect of paying for a college education and in most cases in today's economy is it more about one's professional schooling.

There are obvious benefits of being able to tap into an established alumni network but hat is no guarantee of success.

One of the most talented guys I ever worked with was a Computer Science major from Maryland. He was one of the developers of Google Chrome and is very happy with the full academic ride he received and his multi million dollar net worth. There are a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Our son decided to go to state school with a good lacrosse program, and with the combination of merit and athletic money he is going to graduate will almost zero debt and with a very strong degree in which this school is very well respected.

On average, a graduate from a Patriot/Ivy has a distinct advantage over a grad from a state school. The Google Chrome designer is a 1 in a million kid.

Again, another poster with the "patriot / Ivy" as if they are one and the same or equal. Nothing against the patriot schools but Becknell is not Harvard, Lehigh is not Princeton, Boston University is not Yale, Lafayette is not Penn. Get it, they do not equate. For some reason some on this site want to promote the Patriot schools by referencing them along with the Ivy's as a far superior choice to a State School.

To say that a student graduating from a Patriot League School will have far more advantages than a student graduating from a State School is foolish.

Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan, Penn State and Maryland are all "State Schools". Remove Lacrosse from the picture and I am not sure that I would choose a patriot school over any of them.

After the Ivy's its Hopkins, Duke, Notre Dame, Georgetown.

As far as academics / lacrosse go I would say the top 5 conferences are:

1 - Ivy
2 - ACC
3 - Big Ten
4 - Big East
5 � Patriot

Are we only talking D1 because I would include NASCAR also.

I meant NESCAC.

do you mean NESCAC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

do you mean NESCAC

Damm auto correct

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that there are schools within schools. As a parent it is easy to get wrapped up in the pedigree of a school and I think we all know successful people and idiots from top tier schools and people who have hit out of the park from lesser branded schools.

If have older kids who have gone through the college process with or without sports I think you really begin to see the ROI aspect of paying for a college education and in most cases in today's economy is it more about one's professional schooling.

There are obvious benefits of being able to tap into an established alumni network but hat is no guarantee of success.

One of the most talented guys I ever worked with was a Computer Science major from Maryland. He was one of the developers of Google Chrome and is very happy with the full academic ride he received and his multi million dollar net worth. There are a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Our son decided to go to state school with a good lacrosse program, and with the combination of merit and athletic money he is going to graduate will almost zero debt and with a very strong degree in which this school is very well respected.

On average, a graduate from a Patriot/Ivy has a distinct advantage over a grad from a state school. The Google Chrome designer is a 1 in a million kid.

Again, another poster with the "patriot / Ivy" as if they are one and the same or equal. Nothing against the patriot schools but Becknell is not Harvard, Lehigh is not Princeton, Boston University is not Yale, Lafayette is not Penn. Get it, they do not equate. For some reason some on this site want to promote the Patriot schools by referencing them along with the Ivy's as a far superior choice to a State School.

To say that a student graduating from a Patriot League School will have far more advantages than a student graduating from a State School is foolish.

Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan, Penn State and Maryland are all "State Schools". Remove Lacrosse from the picture and I am not sure that I would choose a patriot school over any of them.

After the Ivy's its Hopkins, Duke, Notre Dame, Georgetown.

As far as academics / lacrosse go I would say the top 5 conferences are:

1 - Ivy
2 - ACC
3 - Big Ten
4 - Big East
5 � Patriot

Are we only talking D1 because I would include NASCAR also.

Hmmm�Patriot League should be much higher on this list. Ask any employer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that there are schools within schools. As a parent it is easy to get wrapped up in the pedigree of a school and I think we all know successful people and idiots from top tier schools and people who have hit out of the park from lesser branded schools.

If have older kids who have gone through the college process with or without sports I think you really begin to see the ROI aspect of paying for a college education and in most cases in today's economy is it more about one's professional schooling.

There are obvious benefits of being able to tap into an established alumni network but hat is no guarantee of success.

One of the most talented guys I ever worked with was a Computer Science major from Maryland. He was one of the developers of Google Chrome and is very happy with the full academic ride he received and his multi million dollar net worth. There are a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Our son decided to go to state school with a good lacrosse program, and with the combination of merit and athletic money he is going to graduate will almost zero debt and with a very strong degree in which this school is very well respected.

On average, a graduate from a Patriot/Ivy has a distinct advantage over a grad from a state school. The Google Chrome designer is a 1 in a million kid.

Again, another poster with the "patriot / Ivy" as if they are one and the same or equal. Nothing against the patriot schools but Becknell is not Harvard, Lehigh is not Princeton, Boston University is not Yale, Lafayette is not Penn. Get it, they do not equate. For some reason some on this site want to promote the Patriot schools by referencing them along with the Ivy's as a far superior choice to a State School.

To say that a student graduating from a Patriot League School will have far more advantages than a student graduating from a State School is foolish.

Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan, Penn State and Maryland are all "State Schools". Remove Lacrosse from the picture and I am not sure that I would choose a patriot school over any of them.

After the Ivy's its Hopkins, Duke, Notre Dame, Georgetown.

As far as academics / lacrosse go I would say the top 5 conferences are:

1 - Ivy
2 - ACC
3 - Big Ten
4 - Big East
5 � Patriot

Are we only talking D1 because I would include NASCAR also.

Hmmm�Patriot League should be much higher on this list. Ask any employer.

Outside of the Ivy League and ACC, each conference has a pretty wide range of academic strength.

Patriot League would probably come in third in terms of strength overall, but random schools in the remaining conferences (places like Hopkins, Georgetown, etc.) are better than every school in the Patriot League.

Better then West Point and navy? Don't think so

America East is no joke with Albany, StonyBrook, Binghampton and Vermont. StonyBrook and Albany are in the preseason Top 20

Not even close to being better the West Point or Annapolis. That's a crazy remark..

From Forbes College Guide 2016:

Top 100 (Lacrosse Colleges only listed (men))

ACC: ND 13, Duke 22, UVa 36, UNC 49, UMd 93

Big 10: Michigan 41, Hopkins 62

Big East: Georgetown 23, 'NOva 72

Patriot: USMA 11, USNA 27, Colgate 40, Bucknell 43, Lafayette 53, Holy Cross 55, Lehigh 74, Boston U 91

When talking academic West Point and navy are better then the acc schools. But how many boys really want to go there when it's a different type of college life. You are not going to the local pub on a Thursday night to go meet some girls and get drunk. And also the state of this country is not good. Most likely you will be in harms way once you graduate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not even close to being better the West Point or Annapolis. That's a crazy remark..

West Point, Annapolis and The Air Force Academy are in a class by themselves academically, as is the Coast Guard who just recently added D3 lacrosse. Cant compare them to regular schools, not the same animal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From Forbes College Guide 2016:

Top 100 (Lacrosse Colleges only listed (men))

ACC: ND 13, Duke 22, UVa 36, UNC 49, UMd 93

Big 10: Michigan 41, Hopkins 62

Big East: Georgetown 23, 'NOva 72

Patriot: USMA 11, USNA 27, Colgate 40, Bucknell 43, Lafayette 53, Holy Cross 55, Lehigh 74, Boston U 91

Not sure what that is based on, nor am I debating the quality of education at any of these schools, but one thing that is undenyable is the ability of schools with large alumni bases to help get your kid a job - which is the whole goal of this, right?
Michigan may "rank" right next to Colgate and Bucknell - but would think UM's massive alumni base provides some kind of advantage

The debate started when someone equated Patriot League schools with Ivy League Schools. That post along with some others have implied that a degree from a Patriot School is far better than a degree from a State School.

Patriot League Schools are good schools but they are not Ivy league Schools. Personally, If my kids could go to an Ivy that is where I would encourage them to go. The Patriot Schools would come in behind the likes of:

Duke, Hopkins, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Michigan, Virgina, North Carolina, Penn State, Maryland and maybe Ohio State (I have not looked into Ohio State).

Depending on what a student athlete is looking for the above all can offer a great college experience along with excellent academics and great alumni networks.

If your son is an excellent student but is not offered a spot at an Ivy or Duke, Hopkins, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Villanova etc... I would look at the NESCAC Schools. If you are looking for small private schools with excellent academics and competitive athletics NESCAC is the way to go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that there are schools within schools. As a parent it is easy to get wrapped up in the pedigree of a school and I think we all know successful people and idiots from top tier schools and people who have hit out of the park from lesser branded schools.

If have older kids who have gone through the college process with or without sports I think you really begin to see the ROI aspect of paying for a college education and in most cases in today's economy is it more about one's professional schooling.

There are obvious benefits of being able to tap into an established alumni network but hat is no guarantee of success.

One of the most talented guys I ever worked with was a Computer Science major from Maryland. He was one of the developers of Google Chrome and is very happy with the full academic ride he received and his multi million dollar net worth. There are a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Our son decided to go to state school with a good lacrosse program, and with the combination of merit and athletic money he is going to graduate will almost zero debt and with a very strong degree in which this school is very well respected.

On average, a graduate from a Patriot/Ivy has a distinct advantage over a grad from a state school. The Google Chrome designer is a 1 in a million kid.

Again, another poster with the "patriot / Ivy" as if they are one and the same or equal. Nothing against the patriot schools but Becknell is not Harvard, Lehigh is not Princeton, Boston University is not Yale, Lafayette is not Penn. Get it, they do not equate. For some reason some on this site want to promote the Patriot schools by referencing them along with the Ivy's as a far superior choice to a State School.

To say that a student graduating from a Patriot League School will have far more advantages than a student graduating from a State School is foolish.

Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan, Penn State and Maryland are all "State Schools". Remove Lacrosse from the picture and I am not sure that I would choose a patriot school over any of them.

After the Ivy's its Hopkins, Duke, Notre Dame, Georgetown.

As far as academics / lacrosse go I would say the top 5 conferences are:

1 - Ivy
2 - ACC
3 - Big Ten
4 - Big East
5 � Patriot

I will/have hire a Patriot league grad over a state school grad. The rankings you posted have no basis in real world reality and are frankly laughable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that there are schools within schools. As a parent it is easy to get wrapped up in the pedigree of a school and I think we all know successful people and idiots from top tier schools and people who have hit out of the park from lesser branded schools.

If have older kids who have gone through the college process with or without sports I think you really begin to see the ROI aspect of paying for a college education and in most cases in today's economy is it more about one's professional schooling.

There are obvious benefits of being able to tap into an established alumni network but hat is no guarantee of success.

One of the most talented guys I ever worked with was a Computer Science major from Maryland. He was one of the developers of Google Chrome and is very happy with the full academic ride he received and his multi million dollar net worth. There are a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Our son decided to go to state school with a good lacrosse program, and with the combination of merit and athletic money he is going to graduate will almost zero debt and with a very strong degree in which this school is very well respected.

On average, a graduate from a Patriot/Ivy has a distinct advantage over a grad from a state school. The Google Chrome designer is a 1 in a million kid.

Again, another poster with the "patriot / Ivy" as if they are one and the same or equal. Nothing against the patriot schools but Becknell is not Harvard, Lehigh is not Princeton, Boston University is not Yale, Lafayette is not Penn. Get it, they do not equate. For some reason some on this site want to promote the Patriot schools by referencing them along with the Ivy's as a far superior choice to a State School.

To say that a student graduating from a Patriot League School will have far more advantages than a student graduating from a State School is foolish.

Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan, Penn State and Maryland are all "State Schools". Remove Lacrosse from the picture and I am not sure that I would choose a patriot school over any of them.

After the Ivy's its Hopkins, Duke, Notre Dame, Georgetown.

As far as academics / lacrosse go I would say the top 5 conferences are:

1 - Ivy
2 - ACC
3 - Big Ten
4 - Big East
5 � Patriot

I will/have hire a Patriot league grad over a state school grad. The rankings you posted have no basis in real world reality and are frankly laughable.

That's ok, the Binghampton kid didn't want to work at Target anyway.

This is a 2019 thread isn't it. There is at least another 18 months before we truly know where our boys will land, verbal or not. If any of those schools came calling I think any one of us would have to consider it and I consider you lucky and wish you and your son much success. (a few have had multiple offers because if one wants you chances are a few do.

Outside of the Ivy's, some of these schools offer a better college experience be it FBS football or an academic club experience. Some are decisively smaller or larger and could be the perfect environment for your child.

I personally do not think it is a bad choice if you are "stuck" going to any of those.

Good luck to all 2001 boys

so is your grammar

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that there are schools within schools. As a parent it is easy to get wrapped up in the pedigree of a school and I think we all know successful people and idiots from top tier schools and people who have hit out of the park from lesser branded schools.

If have older kids who have gone through the college process with or without sports I think you really begin to see the ROI aspect of paying for a college education and in most cases in today's economy is it more about one's professional schooling.

There are obvious benefits of being able to tap into an established alumni network but hat is no guarantee of success.

One of the most talented guys I ever worked with was a Computer Science major from Maryland. He was one of the developers of Google Chrome and is very happy with the full academic ride he received and his multi million dollar net worth. There are a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Our son decided to go to state school with a good lacrosse program, and with the combination of merit and athletic money he is going to graduate will almost zero debt and with a very strong degree in which this school is very well respected.

On average, a graduate from a Patriot/Ivy has a distinct advantage over a grad from a state school. The Google Chrome designer is a 1 in a million kid.

Actually.. You're wrong, except for maybe the very top Business positions. Which in that case Ivy trumps Patriot every time. Recent article in WSJ shows starting salaries, and mid-career salaries for upper tier school verse mid-tier schools. Shocking finding for the name brand shopper. Only career where there was any difference was business. Even there, it was only a few thousand dollars. After taxes your Patriot degree will allow you have one nice additional dinner out a month. In other majors like engineering, going to the upper tier school gave zero benefit. For example, Manhattan College grads do better than those coming out of the Navel Academy and other top schools. The moral of the story is: Take the 50% scholarship from Manhattan, actually get to play, come out with no debt and make the same as the Bucknell Grad. Clearly, this is logic even an Ivy grad can follow.

Yes i have heard that manhattan grads do very well. I hear they get great internships.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that there are schools within schools. As a parent it is easy to get wrapped up in the pedigree of a school and I think we all know successful people and idiots from top tier schools and people who have hit out of the park from lesser branded schools.

If have older kids who have gone through the college process with or without sports I think you really begin to see the ROI aspect of paying for a college education and in most cases in today's economy is it more about one's professional schooling.

There are obvious benefits of being able to tap into an established alumni network but hat is no guarantee of success.

One of the most talented guys I ever worked with was a Computer Science major from Maryland. He was one of the developers of Google Chrome and is very happy with the full academic ride he received and his multi million dollar net worth. There are a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Our son decided to go to state school with a good lacrosse program, and with the combination of merit and athletic money he is going to graduate will almost zero debt and with a very strong degree in which this school is very well respected.

On average, a graduate from a Patriot/Ivy has a distinct advantage over a grad from a state school. The Google Chrome designer is a 1 in a million kid.

Actually.. You're wrong, except for maybe the very top Business positions. Which in that case Ivy trumps Patriot every time. Recent article in WSJ shows starting salaries, and mid-career salaries for upper tier school verse mid-tier schools. Shocking finding for the name brand shopper. Only career where there was any difference was business. Even there, it was only a few thousand dollars. After taxes your Patriot degree will allow you have one nice additional dinner out a month. In other majors like engineering, going to the upper tier school gave zero benefit. For example, Manhattan College grads do better than those coming out of the Navel Academy and other top schools. The moral of the story is: Take the 50% scholarship from Manhattan, actually get to play, come out with no debt and make the same as the Bucknell Grad. Clearly, this is logic even an Ivy grad can follow.

Great post, thank you for infusing some common sense into this thread. My son is 2018 and he verballed to a mid level D1 that is competitive every year in its conference and has excellent internship opportunities. He was offered a 50 percent athletic and has the opportunity to get full tuition depending on how his grades end up. He will graduate with zero debt, he will play for 4 years if he works hard and is dedicated and the coaching staff is first rate. My son was never an Ivy candidate academically, and he wasnt on any of the ACC radars so he actually ended up exactly where he should have and I couldnt be happier for him. My advice to anyone going through this process, is to be patient, keep an open mind and listen and entertain every offer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that there are schools within schools. As a parent it is easy to get wrapped up in the pedigree of a school and I think we all know successful people and idiots from top tier schools and people who have hit out of the park from lesser branded schools.

If have older kids who have gone through the college process with or without sports I think you really begin to see the ROI aspect of paying for a college education and in most cases in today's economy is it more about one's professional schooling.

There are obvious benefits of being able to tap into an established alumni network but hat is no guarantee of success.

One of the most talented guys I ever worked with was a Computer Science major from Maryland. He was one of the developers of Google Chrome and is very happy with the full academic ride he received and his multi million dollar net worth. There are a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Our son decided to go to state school with a good lacrosse program, and with the combination of merit and athletic money he is going to graduate will almost zero debt and with a very strong degree in which this school is very well respected.

On average, a graduate from a Patriot/Ivy has a distinct advantage over a grad from a state school. The Google Chrome designer is a 1 in a million kid.

Actually.. You're wrong, except for maybe the very top Business positions. Which in that case Ivy trumps Patriot every time. Recent article in WSJ shows starting salaries, and mid-career salaries for upper tier school verse mid-tier schools. Shocking finding for the name brand shopper. Only career where there was any difference was business. Even there, it was only a few thousand dollars. After taxes your Patriot degree will allow you have one nice additional dinner out a month. In other majors like engineering, going to the upper tier school gave zero benefit. For example, Manhattan College grads do better than those coming out of the Navel Academy and other top schools. The moral of the story is: Take the 50% scholarship from Manhattan, actually get to play, come out with no debt and make the same as the Bucknell Grad. Clearly, this is logic even an Ivy grad can follow.

Great post, thank you for infusing some common sense into this thread. My son is 2018 and he verballed to a mid level D1 that is competitive every year in its conference and has excellent internship opportunities. He was offered a 50 percent athletic and has the opportunity to get full tuition depending on how his grades end up. He will graduate with zero debt, he will play for 4 years if he works hard and is dedicated and the coaching staff is first rate. My son was never an Ivy candidate academically, and he wasnt on any of the ACC radars so he actually ended up exactly where he should have and I couldnt be happier for him. My advice to anyone going through this process, is to be patient, keep an open mind and listen and entertain every offer.

.... and don't fall into the trap of being an academic snob. An Ivy league degree isn't a one way ticket to the corporate boardroom nor is a degree from a lesser state school a one way ticket to mediocrity. I humored my son and took him to visit a school I wasn't sure about and it is the one he committed too.

Ultimately it was my son's decision and he committed to a school that in the aggregate is probably below what his GPA and ACT score might indicate, but it is very strong with very high job placement rates in what he is going to study, and a 8-15 lacrosse team.

He had opportunities at more "prestigious" schools but he felt this was the right place in terms of cost (he is paying for it), coaching staff, academic major, and while not a great chance at least the chance to make it to championship weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes i have heard that manhattan grads do very well. I hear they get great internships.

Manhattan grad (engineering) and benefiting from the network and very low debt load. Your point is definitely valid, but unfortunately the lax there has been terrible lately, maybe worse than terrible! I'm sure there is a better example and we can only hope that a very good reasonably priced school can get better on the field so that it becomes a better option for a lot of our smarter local kids.

Yeah I agree with keeping smarter local kids to go there but your right in terms of lax. Pretty bad team. But heard this new coaching staff is a lot better. Old one did not care about the importance of recruiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes i have heard that manhattan grads do very well. I hear they get great internships.

Manhattan grad (engineering) and benefiting from the network and very low debt load. Your point is definitely valid, but unfortunately the lax there has been terrible lately, maybe worse than terrible! I'm sure there is a better example and we can only hope that a very good reasonably priced school can get better on the field so that it becomes a better option for a lot of our smarter local kids.

Hartford falls into that same category as MC. But they are pricey.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes i have heard that manhattan grads do very well. I hear they get great internships.

Manhattan grad (engineering) and benefiting from the network and very low debt load. Your point is definitely valid, but unfortunately the lax there has been terrible lately, maybe worse than terrible! I'm sure there is a better example and we can only hope that a very good reasonably priced school can get better on the field so that it becomes a better option for a lot of our smarter local kids.

Hartford falls into that same category as MC. But they are pricey.

Hartford actually gets most of the internships in the city of Hartford so there are a lot of opportunities. Lax team is always competitive and the coaching staff is great. IMO one of the most underrated and little known programs out there, but they do a great job. It is doubtful they will ever get to final four weekend, but how many teams outside the TOP 20 ever do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that there are schools within schools. As a parent it is easy to get wrapped up in the pedigree of a school and I think we all know successful people and idiots from top tier schools and people who have hit out of the park from lesser branded schools.

If have older kids who have gone through the college process with or without sports I think you really begin to see the ROI aspect of paying for a college education and in most cases in today's economy is it more about one's professional schooling.

There are obvious benefits of being able to tap into an established alumni network but hat is no guarantee of success.

One of the most talented guys I ever worked with was a Computer Science major from Maryland. He was one of the developers of Google Chrome and is very happy with the full academic ride he received and his multi million dollar net worth. There are a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Our son decided to go to state school with a good lacrosse program, and with the combination of merit and athletic money he is going to graduate will almost zero debt and with a very strong degree in which this school is very well respected.

On average, a graduate from a Patriot/Ivy has a distinct advantage over a grad from a state school. The Google Chrome designer is a 1 in a million kid.

Again, another poster with the "patriot / Ivy" as if they are one and the same or equal. Nothing against the patriot schools but Becknell is not Harvard, Lehigh is not Princeton, Boston University is not Yale, Lafayette is not Penn. Get it, they do not equate. For some reason some on this site want to promote the Patriot schools by referencing them along with the Ivy's as a far superior choice to a State School.

To say that a student graduating from a Patriot League School will have far more advantages than a student graduating from a State School is foolish.

Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan, Penn State and Maryland are all "State Schools". Remove Lacrosse from the picture and I am not sure that I would choose a patriot school over any of them.

After the Ivy's its Hopkins, Duke, Notre Dame, Georgetown.

As far as academics / lacrosse go I would say the top 5 conferences are:

1 - Ivy
2 - ACC
3 - Big Ten
4 - Big East
5 � Patriot

I will/have hire a Patriot league grad over a state school grad. The rankings you posted have no basis in real world reality and are frankly laughable.

There was a Wall Street Journal article that listed the results from a survey completed by nearly 500 recruiters for the nation�s largest public and private companies, nonprofit organizations and federal agencies across every region of the country and spanning nearly two dozen industries. The WSJ asked recruiters to identify, based on their experience, the colleges and universities whose bachelor degree graduates were the best-trained and educated, and best able to succeed once hired.

1. Penn State University
2. Texas A&M University
3. University of Illinois
4. Purdue University
5. Arizona State University
6. University of Michigan
7. Georgia Tech
8. University of Maryland
9. University of Florida
10. Carnegie Mellon University
11. Brigham Young University
12. Ohio State University
13. Virginia Tech
14. Cornell University
15. University of California � Berkeley
16. University of Wisconsin
17. UCLA
18. Texas Tech
19. North Carolina State
20. University of Virginia
21. Rutgers University
22. Notre Dame
23. MIT
24. University of Southern California
25. Washington State University

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah I agree with keeping smarter local kids to go there but your right in terms of lax. Pretty bad team. But heard this new coaching staff is a lot better. Old one did not care about the importance of recruiting.

That seems right. Their roster should be loaded with LI kids and there are really very few. Maybe the old coach had never heard of LI... And Manhattan is a Catholic school, you would think they could grab a good Chaminade or St A kid or two each year, I think they have one total.

No NY schools on that list. Bet it is because there are lots of choices so the numbers don't add up.

You have to figure Columbia and NYU would be ahead of some of those schools.

By my count 19 out of 25 on that WSJ survey are state schools. Only one Ivy, ironically the supposedly easiest one to get into.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that there are schools within schools. As a parent it is easy to get wrapped up in the pedigree of a school and I think we all know successful people and idiots from top tier schools and people who have hit out of the park from lesser branded schools.

If have older kids who have gone through the college process with or without sports I think you really begin to see the ROI aspect of paying for a college education and in most cases in today's economy is it more about one's professional schooling.

There are obvious benefits of being able to tap into an established alumni network but hat is no guarantee of success.

One of the most talented guys I ever worked with was a Computer Science major from Maryland. He was one of the developers of Google Chrome and is very happy with the full academic ride he received and his multi million dollar net worth. There are a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Our son decided to go to state school with a good lacrosse program, and with the combination of merit and athletic money he is going to graduate will almost zero debt and with a very strong degree in which this school is very well respected.

On average, a graduate from a Patriot/Ivy has a distinct advantage over a grad from a state school. The Google Chrome designer is a 1 in a million kid.

Again, another poster with the "patriot / Ivy" as if they are one and the same or equal. Nothing against the patriot schools but Becknell is not Harvard, Lehigh is not Princeton, Boston University is not Yale, Lafayette is not Penn. Get it, they do not equate. For some reason some on this site want to promote the Patriot schools by referencing them along with the Ivy's as a far superior choice to a State School.

To say that a student graduating from a Patriot League School will have far more advantages than a student graduating from a State School is foolish.

Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan, Penn State and Maryland are all "State Schools". Remove Lacrosse from the picture and I am not sure that I would choose a patriot school over any of them.

After the Ivy's its Hopkins, Duke, Notre Dame, Georgetown.

As far as academics / lacrosse go I would say the top 5 conferences are:

1 - Ivy
2 - ACC
3 - Big Ten
4 - Big East
5 � Patriot

I will/have hire a Patriot league grad over a state school grad. The rankings you posted have no basis in real world reality and are frankly laughable.

There was a Wall Street Journal article that listed the results from a survey completed by nearly 500 recruiters for the nation�s largest public and private companies, nonprofit organizations and federal agencies across every region of the country and spanning nearly two dozen industries. The WSJ asked recruiters to identify, based on their experience, the colleges and universities whose bachelor degree graduates were the best-trained and educated, and best able to succeed once hired.

1. Penn State University
2. Texas A&M University
3. University of Illinois
4. Purdue University
5. Arizona State University
6. University of Michigan
7. Georgia Tech
8. University of Maryland
9. University of Florida
10. Carnegie Mellon University
11. Brigham Young University
12. Ohio State University
13. Virginia Tech
14. Cornell University
15. University of California � Berkeley
16. University of Wisconsin
17. UCLA
18. Texas Tech
19. North Carolina State
20. University of Virginia
21. Rutgers University
22. Notre Dame
23. MIT
24. University of Southern California
25. Washington State University

We Are!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that there are schools within schools. As a parent it is easy to get wrapped up in the pedigree of a school and I think we all know successful people and idiots from top tier schools and people who have hit out of the park from lesser branded schools.

If have older kids who have gone through the college process with or without sports I think you really begin to see the ROI aspect of paying for a college education and in most cases in today's economy is it more about one's professional schooling.

There are obvious benefits of being able to tap into an established alumni network but hat is no guarantee of success.

One of the most talented guys I ever worked with was a Computer Science major from Maryland. He was one of the developers of Google Chrome and is very happy with the full academic ride he received and his multi million dollar net worth. There are a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Our son decided to go to state school with a good lacrosse program, and with the combination of merit and athletic money he is going to graduate will almost zero debt and with a very strong degree in which this school is very well respected.

On average, a graduate from a Patriot/Ivy has a distinct advantage over a grad from a state school. The Google Chrome designer is a 1 in a million kid.

Again, another poster with the "patriot / Ivy" as if they are one and the same or equal. Nothing against the patriot schools but Becknell is not Harvard, Lehigh is not Princeton, Boston University is not Yale, Lafayette is not Penn. Get it, they do not equate. For some reason some on this site want to promote the Patriot schools by referencing them along with the Ivy's as a far superior choice to a State School.

To say that a student graduating from a Patriot League School will have far more advantages than a student graduating from a State School is foolish.

Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan, Penn State and Maryland are all "State Schools". Remove Lacrosse from the picture and I am not sure that I would choose a patriot school over any of them.

After the Ivy's its Hopkins, Duke, Notre Dame, Georgetown.

As far as academics / lacrosse go I would say the top 5 conferences are:

1 - Ivy
2 - ACC
3 - Big Ten
4 - Big East
5 � Patriot

I will/have hire a Patriot league grad over a state school grad. The rankings you posted have no basis in real world reality and are frankly laughable.

There was a Wall Street Journal article that listed the results from a survey completed by nearly 500 recruiters for the nation�s largest public and private companies, nonprofit organizations and federal agencies across every region of the country and spanning nearly two dozen industries. The WSJ asked recruiters to identify, based on their experience, the colleges and universities whose bachelor degree graduates were the best-trained and educated, and best able to succeed once hired.

1. Penn State University
2. Texas A&M University
3. University of Illinois
4. Purdue University
5. Arizona State University
6. University of Michigan
7. Georgia Tech
8. University of Maryland
9. University of Florida
10. Carnegie Mellon University
11. Brigham Young University
12. Ohio State University
13. Virginia Tech
14. Cornell University
15. University of California � Berkeley
16. University of Wisconsin
17. UCLA
18. Texas Tech
19. North Carolina State
20. University of Virginia
21. Rutgers University
22. Notre Dame
23. MIT
24. University of Southern California
25. Washington State University

We Are!

Marshall

Early recruiting working for Hopkins? Lol love seeing them have trouble with all their highest ranking players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Early recruiting working for Hopkins? Lol love seeing them have trouble with all their highest ranking players.

Did you also notice how many cadets went to the prep before the academy. Doing the holdback thing the right way.

Oh stop Hopkins has many 19 and 20 yr old freshman.You are talking apples and oranges about kids going to army and navy prep compared to other schools. Thats not considered holdbacks like you reclassing your kid in 8th grade because you know he cant hang with his own age.

Deal with it losers. You will always have excuses

losers?? You have no idea about life. Keep teaching your kid to get ahead in life the wrong way.

This the huntington Dad again defending the leaving back/hold back/cheating? PG year is a whole different bag than the jr high hold back/system gaming. No wonder he is struggling, he just doesn't get it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This the huntington Dad again defending the leaving back/hold back/cheating? PG year is a whole different bag than the jr high hold back/system gaming. No wonder he is struggling, he just doesn't get it.

Nope, and the holbacks not even good enough to start! Pathetic!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This the huntington Dad again defending the leaving back/hold back/cheating? PG year is a whole different bag than the jr high hold back/system gaming. No wonder he is struggling, he just doesn't get it.

Nope, and the holbacks not even good enough to start! Pathetic!

Can you please take this conversation to the 2020 thread if that is where the player is now playing.

THe holding back strategy only works in a small window of time; when the holdback has a physical advantage over his younger competition. This ends once the younger kids catch up physically. So, if it hasn't benefitted the player in the year he stays back, you probably wasted time and money.

Just my observation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THe holding back strategy only works in a small window of time; when the holdback has a physical advantage over his younger competition. This ends once the younger kids catch up physically. So, if it hasn't benefitted the player in the year he stays back, you probably wasted time and money.

Just my observation.

Your theory is ok except for the IQ advantage and stick skills. Most freshman/sophomores are clueless. It helps having a hold back.

Most competitive and professional athletes peak between the ages of 26-28, hence the closer you are to that "age" the closer you are to your peak. Logic dictates that the holdback has an advantage all the way through, although that gat becomes smaller in a relative sense as players get older. (Simplified...If you are 13 playing against 12 year olds= 12/13, as a 26 year old vs 25= 25/26 the advantage is less, draw the pie diagrm if you don't see it). It does make a difference over a protracted period of time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THe holding back strategy only works in a small window of time; when the holdback has a physical advantage over his younger competition. This ends once the younger kids catch up physically. So, if it hasn't benefitted the player in the year he stays back, you probably wasted time and money.

Just my observation.

Your theory is ok except for the IQ advantage and stick skills. Most freshman/sophomores are clueless. It helps having a hold back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This the huntington Dad again defending the leaving back/hold back/cheating? PG year is a whole different bag than the jr high hold back/system gaming. No wonder he is struggling, he just doesn't get it.

All of this stuff evens out by junior year of high school..Just because a kid holds back it doesn't make them a great lacrosse player . Let's be honest if your kid can't handle the stick at this age then he won't get that much better. He may be able to play Div III but not 1.The cream will rise to the top . Some kids have peaked already , some haven't . Worry about your own kid.Every parent will do what's best for their kid and in some cases what's best for the parents ego.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Early recruiting working for Hopkins? Lol love seeing them have trouble with all their highest ranking players.

Did you also notice how many cadets went to the prep before the academy. Doing the holdback thing the right way.

Cadets go Prep for academic reasons, never for the benefit of a sports team. JHU is loaded with older kids, reclassers, and very early recruits. They barely got by Navy, which is a good team. However, it seems to me the recruiting strategy employed by them is not baring the fruit they expected. It is working to the benefit of many other schools. Parity is coming like a freight train to D1 lacrosse. The number of kids playing HS lax has doubled in the last five years. In that same time frame you have 6 or 7 new D1 programs. Point is, the D1 programs now have twice the number of top players to choose from. I know it's February, but OSU barely survives Furman a program in year three, BU another program in year three beats Providence and JHU barely gets by Navy. By the way, where was Denver five years ago? It's a sign of things to come.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Early recruiting working for Hopkins? Lol love seeing them have trouble with all their highest ranking players.

Did you also notice how many cadets went to the prep before the academy. Doing the holdback thing the right way.

Cadets go Prep for academic reasons, never for the benefit of a sports team. JHU is loaded with older kids, reclassers, and very early recruits. They barely got by Navy, which is a good team. However, it seems to me the recruiting strategy employed by them is not baring the fruit they expected. It is working to the benefit of many other schools. Parity is coming like a freight train to D1 lacrosse. The number of kids playing HS lax has doubled in the last five years. In that same time frame you have 6 or 7 new D1 programs. Point is, the D1 programs now have twice the number of top players to choose from. I know it's February, but OSU barely survives Furman a program in year three, BU another program in year three beats Providence and JHU barely gets by Navy. By the way, where was Denver five years ago? It's a sign of things to come.

Love it! Will be an exciting year. Expect upsets. The year of the underdogs, and it's great!

NAPS and MAPS are provided to students who are not prepared for the academic rigors of USMA and USNA. That being said, many of those "at risk" students are athletic recruits. All schools that provide a 13th year or "prep" year are doing the same. I believe it is completely logical for anyone to consider it. I do not believe that attending a prep school is remotely similar to being held back as a eight grader so that you are a bigger and faster athlete that can compete against younger players and gain a advantage. Student-athletes that attend prep school compete against kids their own age throughout the high school recruiting process. Lastly, I am not a JHU fan but people screaming about the demise of that program have already forgotten that they were playing on Memorial Day weekend last year.

Did you forget that Hop barely had a winning record late in the season and was a squeaker of a win against Penn State away from being out of the B1G and NCAA tournaments? I give Petro a lot of credit for navigating through a very difficult season off and on the field. That said, these aren't the good old days. Yes, they made it to a FF game last year. But for a revered program they have done little to none in past 6-7 years. That's a long time. UVA has been a doormat in the ACC for 4 years running now. UNC, well...let's not even pile on out of politeness.

Early recruiting malaise contributes at least some to this. A better indictment of ER would be poor results this year and next...the 2015s and 2016s were the first of the real pre-mature recruits classes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did you forget that Hop barely had a winning record late in the season and was a squeaker of a win against Penn State away from being out of the B1G and NCAA tournaments? I give Petro a lot of credit for navigating through a very difficult season off and on the field. That said, these aren't the good old days. Yes, they made it to a FF game last year. But for a revered program they have done little to none in past 6-7 years. That's a long time. UVA has been a doormat in the ACC for 4 years running now. UNC, well...let's not even pile on out of politeness.

Early recruiting malaise contributes at least some to this. A better indictment of ER would be poor results this year and next...the 2015s and 2016s were the first of the real pre-mature recruits classes.

Very good points regarding the teams you mention. The early recruiting thing I have to disagree with. Early recruiting has been going on for a while. When everyone (common folk) gets wind of something it means it has been going on for a while. I think that its been going on for a very long time it just has become more evident and noticeable.It also became more in your face with all the websites and coverage lacrosse is getting. I also feel it is because parents started bragging and then every early recruit started having it posted wherever and whenever they could. This is the age of social and digital media where news travels at the speed of light across the world. Just my two cents. I also feel that the good ole boy teams are fighting a very difficult battle because there are so many programs and kids playing the game. 20-30 years ago the teams were Hopkins, North Carolina, Syracuse, and Princeton who won the majority of national titles. So in a 21 year span from 1978-1998 only 4 teams won the national championship. The expansion of the game is going to create more parody. That is why roster size is growing. I wish the scholarships would reflect the growth of the game.

Hopkins 6
Carolina 4
Cuse 6
Princeton 5

1998 Princeton (14-1)
1997 Princeton (16-0)
1996 Princeton (14-1)
1995 Syracuse (13-2)
1994 Princeton (14-1)
1993 Syracuse (12-2)
1992 Princeton (13-2)
1991 North Carolina (16-0)
1990 Syracuse* (13-0)
1989 Syracuse (14-1) R
1988 Syracuse (15-0)
1987 Johns Hopkins (10-3)
1986 North Carolina (11-3)
1985 Johns Hopkins (13-1)
1984 Johns Hopkins (14-0)
1983 Syracuse (14-1)
1982 North Carolina (14-0)
1981 North Carolina (12-0)
1980 Johns Hopkins (14-1)
1979 Johns Hopkins (13-0)
1978 Johns Hopkins (13-1)

Originally Posted by AnonThis the huntington Dad again defending the leaving back/hold back/cheating? PG year is a whole different bag than the jr high hold back/system gaming. No wonder he is struggling, he just doesn't get it. [/quote

Nope, and the holbacks not even good enough to start! Pathetic!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This the huntington Dad again defending the leaving back/hold back/cheating? PG year is a whole different bag than the jr high hold back/system gaming. No wonder he is struggling, he just doesn't get it.

Nope, and the holbacks not even good enough to start! Pathetic!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]This the huntington Dad again defending the leaving back/hold back/cheating? PG year is a whole different bag than the jr high hold back/system gaming. No wonder he is struggling, he just doesn't get it.

Nope, and the holbacks not even good enough to start! Pathetic!

Who are you talking about? Who is struggling? Why so much hate against a kid you don't know?

WRONG! the father is struggling. Still think I don't know them?

[quote=Anonymous]WRONG! the father is struggling. Still think I don't know them?

Did be tell you that?

WRONG! the father is struggling. Still think I don't know them?[/quote]

If you KNEW them, you would talk to them and not blog your feelings to the world. Man up and tell the father how you feel and don't hide behind this forum. That's what people that KNOW each other do.

Just wanted to update you guys on those damn cheating Canadians. Five verbally committed players.

Edge 2019
Hopkins (2 committed)
Denver
UNC
Albany

Right 16 yr old 2019s. Feel good about yourselves.

Nothing wrong with 2019s turning 16 this year. I'd be more concerned about a Crabs 2018 who is already 18 years old . Double reclass! But it's Edge "cheating" right?

Did not know that one. Lol that is real low

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just wanted to update you guys on those damn cheating Canadians. Five verbally committed players.

Edge 2019
Hopkins (2 committed)
Denver
UNC
Albany

The only people who care about the injustice of all this are the parents of age appropriate kids who are either not being recruited or being recruited by teams that are not considered to be elite. No college coach really cares about age....they want the biggest, strongest kids and dont care (and actually prefer) that their players are 20 years old when they start freshman year. It is what it is......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing wrong with 2019s turning 16 this year. I'd be more concerned about a Crabs 2018 who is already 18 years old . Double reclass! But it's Edge "cheating" right?

My son is a 2018 and he just turned 16. Honestly I understand the paranoia but I doubt even the Crabs have a 2018 who is 18

True 2019s are 14 turning 15 this year.

Well I would challenge Ryan from the Crabs to come on here and dispute it. They have 18 year old 2018s. Unbelievable. Born in 99. You want the source of the reclass game? It started right there in Maryland with the Crabs not in Canada.

Can't play in MIAA if you're 19 fall of senior year, so...

Not all Crabs kids play MIAA ..so...

So where are they playing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I would challenge Ryan from the Crabs to come on here and dispute it. They have 18 year old 2018s. Unbelievable. Born in 99. You want the source of the reclass game? It started right there in Maryland with the Crabs not in Canada.

born in 99 means they are 16 or 17. In MD a kid born Sept - Dec 99 would be in his/her standard class if 2018 as the cut-off is Sept. Reclass happens and is a head shaker when done for lax but you are exaggerating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So where are they playing?

IAC for DC, VA privates has the same rule. Couldn't happen in public right so where do these kids go? Or maybe the double holdback is a myth. More likely people refer to a kid born in Sept-Nov and does a hold back year, as a double hold back. Not really double. but since he would already be old for his normal grade, pretty bad form if not for purely academic/medical reasons. Such a kid could in fact be 2 years older than a kid in NY with a Nov bday, but not held back twice

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So where are they playing?

IAC for DC, VA privates has the same rule. Couldn't happen in public right so where do these kids go? Or maybe the double holdback is a myth. More likely people refer to a kid born in Sept-Nov and does a hold back year, as a double hold back. Not really double. but since he would already be old for his normal grade, pretty bad form if not for purely academic/medical reasons. Such a kid could in fact be 2 years older than a kid in NY with a Nov bday, but not held back twice

The kids have to feel weird in school ..to go thru HS and be that much older then everyone else has to effect them psychologically.I feel bad because it's the parents that force these kids to do it.. Listen if your kid is good don't worry about the age difference . The cream will rise to the top, don't worry about kids verbally agreeing to a school it means nothing. The only kids that are 14-15 that commit are the ones who's parents went to a school or they have a connection to a school. These kids have no idea what they want to do yet at this age and any parent who tells you different is even more crazy. How does AF get kids to commit at this age? It's like the draft starts at age 14 instead of 18..Lets be real

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just wanted to update you guys on those damn cheating Canadians. Five verbally committed players.

Edge 2019
Hopkins (2 committed)
Denver
UNC
Albany

The only people who care about the injustice of all this are the parents of age appropriate kids who are either not being recruited or being recruited by teams that are not considered to be elite. No college coach really cares about age....they want the biggest, strongest kids and dont care (and actually prefer) that their players are 20 years old when they start freshman year. It is what it is......

That pretty much sums it up......spot on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So where are they playing?

IAC for DC, VA privates has the same rule. Couldn't happen in public right so where do these kids go? Or maybe the double holdback is a myth. More likely people refer to a kid born in Sept-Nov and does a hold back year, as a double hold back. Not really double. but since he would already be old for his normal grade, pretty bad form if not for purely academic/medical reasons. Such a kid could in fact be 2 years older than a kid in NY with a Nov bday, but not held back twice

Heldback before Kindegarten and then reclassifying is the common game. I know a kid personally who was a kindegarten holdback, he reclassed and is doing a PG year. Take one guess where hes committed too...... Duke!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So where are they playing?

IAC for DC, VA privates has the same rule. Couldn't happen in public right so where do these kids go? Or maybe the double holdback is a myth. More likely people refer to a kid born in Sept-Nov and does a hold back year, as a double hold back. Not really double. but since he would already be old for his normal grade, pretty bad form if not for purely academic/medical reasons. Such a kid could in fact be 2 years older than a kid in NY with a Nov bday, but not held back twice

The kids have to feel weird in school ..to go thru HS and be that much older then everyone else has to effect them psychologically.I feel bad because it's the parents that force these kids to do it.. Listen if your kid is good don't worry about the age difference . The cream will rise to the top, don't worry about kids verbally agreeing to a school it means nothing. The only kids that are 14-15 that commit are the ones who's parents went to a school or they have a connection to a school. These kids have no idea what they want to do yet at this age and any parent who tells you different is even more crazy. How does AF get kids to commit at this age? It's like the draft starts at age 14 instead of 18..Lets be real

To say that a verbal commitment "means nothing" is foolish. The majority of commits actually do go on to attend the school they committed to. The majority of early commits are top players (at the time of commitment). To say that "the only kids that are 14-15 that commit are the ones who's parents went to a school or they have a connection to a school" is also foolish.

As far as parents being crazy... well that goes without saying. However, some on this site think that there is a magic time to commit. There is no perfect time and waiting until junior year will not somehow mean that kids will know what they they would like to study or what career path they would like to pursue.

The majority of schools engaged in early recruiting (boys & girls) are excellent schools that offer a variety of majors or fields of study. The top schools in the country are out there offering admission and or scholarship money. They are making these offers to the best players. Some will change their minds, some will not make the grades, some will not develop but, so what, who cares? It happens all the time things change it's no big deal.

I have an age appropriate freshman (2019 - June 2001 DOB) and if a school who we felt was a good fit said they would offer a spot in the 2020 class we would seriously consider a PG year (not sure about the reclass route).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just wanted to update you guys on those damn cheating Canadians. Five verbally committed players.

Edge 2019
Hopkins (2 committed)
Denver
UNC
Albany

The only people who care about the injustice of all this are the parents of age appropriate kids who are either not being recruited or being recruited by teams that are not considered to be elite. No college coach really cares about age....they want the biggest, strongest kids and dont care (and actually prefer) that their players are 20 years old when they start freshman year. It is what it is......

That pretty much sums it up......spot on

And there it is, when I ask why Lacrosse doesn't go to an age based system like baseball, it's the 'business' of winning in D1 college lacrosse that dictates the status quo. Generally speaking in baseball, it benefits talented kids to play up 1-2 age levels while here in lacrosse 'playing down', or repeating is the way to be seen. Son's 2020 Summer Team will have 6 new kids this year who are all repeaters of 9th grade. As you say...it is what is.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just wanted to update you guys on those damn cheating Canadians. Five verbally committed players.

Edge 2019
Hopkins (2 committed)
Denver
UNC
Albany

The only people who care about the injustice of all this are the parents of age appropriate kids who are either not being recruited or being recruited by teams that are not considered to be elite. No college coach really cares about age....they want the biggest, strongest kids and dont care (and actually prefer) that their players are 20 years old when they start freshman year. It is what it is......

That pretty much sums it up......spot on

And there it is, when I ask why Lacrosse doesn't go to an age based system like baseball, it's the 'business' of winning in D1 college lacrosse that dictates the status quo. Generally speaking in baseball, it benefits talented kids to play up 1-2 age levels while here in lacrosse 'playing down', or repeating is the way to be seen. Son's 2020 Summer Team will have 6 new kids this year who are all repeaters of 9th grade. As you say...it is what is.....

If you are a hockey fan, think about John Tavares of the NY Islanders. He is a star at the NHL level and was a phenom as a youth hockey player in Canada. So as a 16 year old he was good enough to play up with 18-19 year olds in junior hockey. What an uncommon idea in today's world where good players choose to further advance themselves by playing down.

My bad. What I meant to say was the Crab kid is a 98. Which means he is a 18 year old soph.

The difference in hockey and baseball if a very good to great player is to make it into the professional ranks as quickly as possible - monetary gain! In lacrosse the ideal end game is to go to a great school for lax/academics or academics/lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just wanted to update you guys on those damn cheating Canadians. Five verbally committed players.

Edge 2019
Hopkins (2 committed)
Denver
UNC
Albany

The only people who care about the injustice of all this are the parents of age appropriate kids who are either not being recruited or being recruited by teams that are not considered to be elite. No college coach really cares about age....they want the biggest, strongest kids and dont care (and actually prefer) that their players are 20 years old when they start freshman year. It is what it is......

That pretty much sums it up......spot on

Yep and UNC got crushed by Hofstra, Hop lost to Loyola. While OSU got spanked by UMass. Hmmmmm??? Sooner or later these kids have to step up and play with the older kids. Looks like it's not working out too well. So go to UNC, major in Lax and sociology. OR.... Go to Hofstra, beat UNC soundly, major in Accounting, hang up the cleats and send your kids to the clinic run by the UNC grad. Them's the facts folks... As mother always used to say, "it all comes out in the wash"

Strange post . Seems like you are angry at the kid not the school for the early commit I assume. Are you sour your kid isn't getting any looks yet ?? I think a medical field major at Hop goes a long way.

Hey you're right. The alumni support for JHU lacrosse grads is drying up as a result of ER. What a tool

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just wanted to update you guys on those damn cheating Canadians. Five verbally committed players.

Edge 2019
Hopkins (2 committed)
Denver
UNC
Albany

The only people who care about the injustice of all this are the parents of age appropriate kids who are either not being recruited or being recruited by teams that are not considered to be elite. No college coach really cares about age....they want the biggest, strongest kids and dont care (and actually prefer) that their players are 20 years old when they start freshman year. It is what it is......

That pretty much sums it up......spot on

Yep and UNC got crushed by Hofstra, Hop lost to Loyola. While OSU got spanked by UMass. Hmmmmm??? Sooner or later these kids have to step up and play with the older kids. Looks like it's not working out too well. So go to UNC, major in Lax and sociology. OR.... Go to Hofstra, beat UNC soundly, major in Accounting, hang up the cleats and send your kids to the clinic run by the UNC grad. Them's the facts folks... As mother always used to say, "it all comes out in the wash"

In the end the commits to the UNC and other schools most likely won't be playing for these same coaches either..They want to do away with the early commits because they realize the kids that are coming just aren't the top kids anymore and the top schools are paying the price while the other lower schools are reaping the benefit. Mom and Dad can't help the kids in college and they can't hide how they are playing. I for one have told my son he will not verbally commit .its way to early. I don't think I'm crazy , just know he is not ready to decide or go to a school because of a name

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The difference in hockey and baseball if a very good to great player is to make it into the professional ranks as quickly as possible - monetary gain! In lacrosse the ideal end game is to go to a great school for lax/academics or academics/lax.

Ahhh...because you associate lax with academics then it's ok to play down (or repeat to play against younger competition to get noticed) The fact is most 'very good' American Hockey players look to play college hockey, and generally speaking the top 'hockey' schools are as good academically as those we usually associate with lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The difference in hockey and baseball if a very good to great player is to make it into the professional ranks as quickly as possible - monetary gain! In lacrosse the ideal end game is to go to a great school for lax/academics or academics/lax.

I'm sorry that's a bit of lax snobbery. Doesn't Stanford, UNC, Vanderbilt and Virginia have top baseball programs? They are pretty fair schools academically, and they also are all heavy early recruiters.....

So if ND knocked on his door , he wouldn't commit? You would tell him not to commit ? Then you would be doing him an injustice. Plenty of opportunities there. Maybe an early commit keeps the kid focused and to continue the journey to possible success

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if ND knocked on his door , he wouldn't commit? You would tell him not to commit ? Then you would be doing him an injustice. Plenty of opportunities there. Maybe an early commit keeps the kid focused and to continue the journey to possible success

You are telling me if ND knocks you just say yes???? That would seem sad..so go to whatever school wants you first???..that's a parents thinking and not the kids. And you would think the parent was more mature..ND says come kid says yes parent pays 50K a year ..The winner ND..the kid leaves after freshmen year because he doesn't fit in and the parent's ego is. Shattered..Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if ND knocked on his door , he wouldn't commit? You would tell him not to commit ? Then you would be doing him an injustice. Plenty of opportunities there. Maybe an early commit keeps the kid focused and to continue the journey to possible success

You are telling me if ND knocks you just say yes???? That would seem sad..so go to whatever school wants you first???..that's a parents thinking and not the kids. And you would think the parent was more mature..ND says come kid says yes parent pays 50K a year ..The winner ND..the kid leaves after freshmen year because he doesn't fit in and the parent's ego is. Shattered..Lol

Sorry folks, a little news for you, ND isn't calling for your kid. If by some miracle they ask you, you better be smart enough to say YES! Any other answer would prove you are a dope.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if ND knocked on his door , he wouldn't commit? You would tell him not to commit ? Then you would be doing him an injustice. Plenty of opportunities there. Maybe an early commit keeps the kid focused and to continue the journey to possible success

You are telling me if ND knocks you just say yes???? That would seem sad..so go to whatever school wants you first???..that's a parents thinking and not the kids. And you would think the parent was more mature..ND says come kid says yes parent pays 50K a year ..The winner ND..the kid leaves after freshmen year because he doesn't fit in and the parent's ego is. Shattered..Lol

Sorry folks, a little news for you, ND isn't calling for your kid. If by some miracle they ask you, you better be smart enough to say YES! Any other answer would prove you are a dope.

Probably the dumbest answer I have heard on this site. Just say yes are you kidding me. Say yes to what . To verbally commit to a school just because they are asking is in insane. Isn't the kid suppose to want to go there or do you think all kids want to go to ND. Another parent drinking Kool Aid.. Please pass some to me next time around

Quick peak into the future... current HS class of 2017...

Daniel Reaume �17, M, Brother Rice (Mich.) switched from Hofstra to Penn State back in December. Named an All-Star at Maverik Showtime, the 5�10, 170-pound junior plays club for Titanium. His club and high school teammate Carson Cochran �17, a LSM and defenseman, switched from Fairfield to Rutgers just before Christmas. 6�3, 210-pound junior.

Jared Fernandez �17, LSM, IMG Academy (Fla.) switched from Furman to Syracuse earlier this month. Fernandez plays club for SweetLax. He had been committed to the Paladins since last March.

Wheaton Jackoboice �17, A, Culver (Ind.) switched from Richmond to Brown in the past two weeks. The lefty from Kansas City starts for Jon Posner�s Eagles and had been committed to the Spiders since April.

So, there will be some musical chairs over the next few years. If you have a 2019 don't worry if the offers are not rolling in right now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So where are they playing?

IAC for DC, VA privates has the same rule. Couldn't happen in public right so where do these kids go? Or maybe the double holdback is a myth. More likely people refer to a kid born in Sept-Nov and does a hold back year, as a double hold back. Not really double. but since he would already be old for his normal grade, pretty bad form if not for purely academic/medical reasons. Such a kid could in fact be 2 years older than a kid in NY with a Nov bday, but not held back twice

Heldback before Kindegarten and then reclassifying is the common game. I know a kid personally who was a kindegarten holdback, he reclassed and is doing a PG year. Take one guess where hes committed too...... Duke!!!!!!

Probably Redshirt first year ...so it will be a 22 year old Freshman!! Too Funny..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if ND knocked on his door , he wouldn't commit? You would tell him not to commit ? Then you would be doing him an injustice. Plenty of opportunities there. Maybe an early commit keeps the kid focused and to continue the journey to possible success

You are telling me if ND knocks you just say yes???? That would seem sad..so go to whatever school wants you first???..that's a parents thinking and not the kids. And you would think the parent was more mature..ND says come kid says yes parent pays 50K a year ..The winner ND..the kid leaves after freshmen year because he doesn't fit in and the parent's ego is. Shattered..Lol

Sorry folks, a little news for you, ND isn't calling for your kid. If by some miracle they ask you, you better be smart enough to say YES! Any other answer would prove you are a dope.

Probably the dumbest answer I have heard on this site. Just say yes are you kidding me. Say yes to what . To verbally commit to a school just because they are asking is in insane. Isn't the kid suppose to want to go there or do you think all kids want to go to ND. Another parent drinking Kool Aid.. Please pass some to me next time around

Don't think ND needs to pass around anything. Not a good school, a great school! Academics and sports and network after. Ok, your anti-Catholic, insert any of the following, UVA, Duke, a few Ivy's and just say YES don't be stupid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if ND knocked on his door , he wouldn't commit? You would tell him not to commit ? Then you would be doing him an injustice. Plenty of opportunities there. Maybe an early commit keeps the kid focused and to continue the journey to possible success

You are telling me if ND knocks you just say yes???? That would seem sad..so go to whatever school wants you first???..that's a parents thinking and not the kids. And you would think the parent was more mature..ND says come kid says yes parent pays 50K a year ..The winner ND..the kid leaves after freshmen year because he doesn't fit in and the parent's ego is. Shattered..Lol

Sorry folks, a little news for you, ND isn't calling for your kid. If by some miracle they ask you, you better be smart enough to say YES! Any other answer would prove you are a dope.

Probably the dumbest answer I have heard on this site. Just say yes are you kidding me. Say yes to what . To verbally commit to a school just because they are asking is in insane. Isn't the kid suppose to want to go there or do you think all kids want to go to ND. Another parent drinking Kool Aid.. Please pass some to me next time around

Don't think ND needs to pass around anything. Not a good school, a great school! Academics and sports and network after. Ok, your anti-Catholic, insert any of the following, UVA, Duke, a few Ivy's and just say YES don't be stupid.

No we are throwing in Ivy League schools. My guess is a Boston university might carry more weight then an ND so let's put them in there. When you picked your college if you went, how did you decide?. What about Rochester University?..Just say yes to all of them, big or small just go because daddy says it's crazy for you not to. Who cares what you want son, it's what I want..Sounds selfish because it is. Dads ego is more important

My son was offered a spot at a very good college. When the conversation turned to scholarship or academic money we were told, very little is available. The school currently costs $66k to attend. My 14 year old son doesn't have a clue what he wants to major in or what career he wants to pursue. We decided to wait. We could have played the commit as a fall back game but decided to have some integrity. He has very good grades so we are expecting there to me other offers to similar schools and hopefully some real $$ is offered. If not, so be it. We'll make a more informed decision further down the line as he matures. Bottomline, I don't want him to be saddled with $300k in debt when it may not be necessary to pursue his career goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son was offered a spot at a very good college. When the conversation turned to scholarship or academic money we were told, very little is available. The school currently costs $66k to attend. My 14 year old son doesn't have a clue what he wants to major in or what career he wants to pursue. We decided to wait. We could have played the commit as a fall back game but decided to have some integrity. He has very good grades so we are expecting there to me other offers to similar schools and hopefully some real $$ is offered. If not, so be it. We'll make a more informed decision further down the line as he matures. Bottomline, I don't want him to be saddled with $300k in debt when it may not be necessary to pursue his career goals.

Finally a little sanity on here. Don't get sucked into the brand name BS game. No one is offering your son a CEO position when he gets out of school, this is a fact. $300k in debt will take a lifetime to pay off. Even if your son gets a high paying job when he gets out. I promise you, there are mid level top 20-30 schools, lax wise, that will offer your son a ton of money. That money will come from both Lax and academics. You're making a smart decision. You can't believe the kind of money they can come up with if they really want your son. I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't hear it for myself. Good luck!

are you saying , you can get more money from mid level lax programs then from say the top 20 programs, serious question,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

are you saying , you can get more money from mid level lax programs then from say the top 20 programs, serious question,

I'm not the original poster, but it becomes simple (and sometimes not so simple) math. D1 lacrosse programs have 12.6 full 'athletic' scholarships per year per whole team. (Most top D1 schools have 45 men rosters, so there is really not much money there) All the money comes on the academic side, where depending on the school they could be looking for 90+ grades or 95+ grades in all AP classes, so it all depends. I'm currently going through this with my baseball son who is a 2018 grad, but unfortunately a C+/B student. (D1 Baseball has 11.4 Full Athletic Scholarships per 35 men rosters) I don't have the lacrosse analogy, but as one baseball head coach at an ACC school said, if you can throw 95 mph we can find you some money. (Unfortunately, my son's not a pitcher)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

are you saying , you can get more money from mid level lax programs then from say the top 20 programs, serious question,

I'm not the original poster, but it becomes simple (and sometimes not so simple) math. D1 lacrosse programs have 12.6 full 'athletic' scholarships per year per whole team. (Most top D1 schools have 45 men rosters, so there is really not much money there) All the money comes on the academic side, where depending on the school they could be looking for 90+ grades or 95+ grades in all AP classes, so it all depends. I'm currently going through this with my baseball son who is a 2018 grad, but unfortunately a C+/B student. (D1 Baseball has 11.4 Full Athletic Scholarships per 35 men rosters) I don't have the lacrosse analogy, but as one baseball head coach at an ACC school said, if you can throw 95 mph we can find you some money. (Unfortunately, my son's not a pitcher)

I'm told many programs are trying to hang on to some of their money to bolster their poaching chances. I respect your decision and hope it works out for your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

are you saying , you can get more money from mid level lax programs then from say the top 20 programs, serious question,

If your son is a top level player, yes! If he has great grades, yes. Combine the two, and you can get some serious cash. between the two it is possible to get North of 55%+. If your family qualifies for need based aid, there's even more money to be had. With regard to the top programs, I'm hearing many are making ZERO $ offers and parents are all too willing to accept. Coaches are all too happy to save the money for the stud that doesn't qualify for Academic money. Many early recruits are giving a verbal for less than $5,000 per year. Add in the fact that Roster sizes are ballooning to over 60+ players at some top Lax programs, and the amount of money to go around continues to dwindle. If you have a 42-44 man roster there's more to go around and the better players will definitely get more at that top 20-30 level school. For those where finances are a consideration, and your son has great grades, and is a great player, you can do very well.

What is considered good grades?
88
90
92
95

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is considered good grades?
88
90
92
95

Depends on the college you're looking, while a 92 gpa is very good in general, at the Ivies it's not. Research schools by putting School name and SAT scores after it. There are graphs out there that will show you who got in and what grades for every school. Keep in mind, these are for non-recruited athletes. Meaning the recruit won't have to have same grades to gain acceptance. However, if your son's grades are not on the higher end for that school, the prosepects for academic money may not be that great. Generally speaking, over qualification leads to higher academic money reward.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

are you saying , you can get more money from mid level lax programs then from say the top 20 programs, serious question,

My son got what amounts to 75% of his tuition taken care of provided he does what he has to do academically. He verballed to a mid level D1 and I can say without any hesitation he wouldnt have gotten anywhere near that money from and ACC, BIG10, or a Patriot for that matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

are you saying , you can get more money from mid level lax programs then from say the top 20 programs, serious question,

My son got what amounts to 75% of his tuition taken care of provided he does what he has to do academically. He verballed to a mid level D1 and I can say without any hesitation he wouldnt have gotten anywhere near that money from and ACC, BIG10, or a Patriot for that matter.

That is because your son is the only 2018 ( reclassed I might add) at that school that usually is a later recruiter. You can also get in there with a 950 SAT, student-athletes even less. Can't compare to the other schools, so stop already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

are you saying , you can get more money from mid level lax programs then from say the top 20 programs, serious question,

My son got what amounts to 75% of his tuition taken care of provided he does what he has to do academically. He verballed to a mid level D1 and I can say without any hesitation he wouldnt have gotten anywhere near that money from and ACC, BIG10, or a Patriot for that matter.

That is because your son is the only 2018 ( reclassed I might add) at that school that usually is a later recruiter. You can also get in there with a 950 SAT, student-athletes even less. Can't compare to the other schools, so stop already.

The original poster asked if mid to lower level lax programs tend to give more money, so in my sons case the answer was yes. I wasnt comparing the schools at all.

Since you seem intent on breaking chops I will entertain your nonsense. My son reclassed instead of doing a PG year which he was given the option to do, he is actually still the same age or younger than most of the kids in his year. It was his decision and it is turning out to be a very good decision.

I dont know where you got that 950 number but you couldnt be more wrong about that.

So since you seem to know so much about me, please look me up and we can discuss this over a beer like gentlemen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

are you saying , you can get more money from mid level lax programs then from say the top 20 programs, serious question,

I'm not the original poster, but it becomes simple (and sometimes not so simple) math. D1 lacrosse programs have 12.6 full 'athletic' scholarships per year per whole team. (Most top D1 schools have 45 men rosters, so there is really not much money there) All the money comes on the academic side, where depending on the school they could be looking for 90+ grades or 95+ grades in all AP classes, so it all depends. I'm currently going through this with my baseball son who is a 2018 grad, but unfortunately a C+/B student. (D1 Baseball has 11.4 Full Athletic Scholarships per 35 men rosters) I don't have the lacrosse analogy, but as one baseball head coach at an ACC school said, if you can throw 95 mph we can find you some money. (Unfortunately, my son's not a pitcher)

I'm told many programs are trying to hang on to some of their money to bolster their poaching chances. I respect your decision and hope it works out for your son.

Coaches are selling the dream to Freshman right now and parents are more than willing to agree to commit to a school without a dime in financial assistance. Some parents bite, others wait, its really not complicated. If a school is offering very little money and the player has "very good grades", what is the downside to waiting?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

are you saying , you can get more money from mid level lax programs then from say the top 20 programs, serious question,

My son got what amounts to 75% of his tuition taken care of provided he does what he has to do academically. He verballed to a mid level D1 and I can say without any hesitation he wouldnt have gotten anywhere near that money from and ACC, BIG10, or a Patriot for that matter.

That is because your son is the only 2018 ( reclassed I might add) at that school that usually is a later recruiter. You can also get in there with a 950 SAT, student-athletes even less. Can't compare to the other schools, so stop already.

The original poster asked if mid to lower level lax programs tend to give more money, so in my sons case the answer was yes. I wasnt comparing the schools at all.

Since you seem intent on breaking chops I will entertain your nonsense. My son reclassed instead of doing a PG year which he was given the option to do, he is actually still the same age or younger than most of the kids in his year. It was his decision and it is turning out to be a very good decision.

I dont know where you got that 950 number but you couldnt be more wrong about that.

So since you seem to know so much about me, please look me up and we can discuss this over a beer like gentlemen.

can we bring this back to a nice/friendly talk. I appreciate the comments and honesty (I hope). But is your son a 2017 reclassed to 2018, when did he reclass. When was he recruited. can you share the league he will play in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

are you saying , you can get more money from mid level lax programs then from say the top 20 programs, serious question,

My son got what amounts to 75% of his tuition taken care of provided he does what he has to do academically. He verballed to a mid level D1 and I can say without any hesitation he wouldnt have gotten anywhere near that money from and ACC, BIG10, or a Patriot for that matter.

That is because your son is the only 2018 ( reclassed I might add) at that school that usually is a later recruiter. You can also get in there with a 950 SAT, student-athletes even less. Can't compare to the other schools, so stop already.

The original poster asked if mid to lower level lax programs tend to give more money, so in my sons case the answer was yes. I wasnt comparing the schools at all.

Since you seem intent on breaking chops I will entertain your nonsense. My son reclassed instead of doing a PG year which he was given the option to do, he is actually still the same age or younger than most of the kids in his year. It was his decision and it is turning out to be a very good decision.

I dont know where you got that 950 number but you couldnt be more wrong about that.

So since you seem to know so much about me, please look me up and we can discuss this over a beer like gentlemen.

can we bring this back to a nice/friendly talk. I appreciate the comments and honesty (I hope). But is your son a 2017 reclassed to 2018, when did he reclass. When was he recruited. can you share the league he will play in.

I never was unfriendly. I simply was relaying my sons experience in response to someones post. In my estimation this forum is supposed to be about an exchange of ideas and shared experiences and hopefully help others on their journeys. Some people like to come on here and spew nonsense out of jealousy or some misguided sense of integrity. Reading comprehension doesnt seem to be a strong suit of many of those same people either, so naturally everything gets misunderstood.

So moving on, my son is repeating his sophomore year at a prep school. He was a late 99 birthday and was a 2017 who should have been a 2018 all along. He played travel lacrosse on Long Island as a 2017 up until last summer. He verballed this past fall to a school in the America East. Hope this helps and I wish you best of luck in your college search.

I have a real question, not being sarcastic in any means. I don't understand the reclassification or PG year thing. Do kids stay in the same school and repeat a grade for no other reason but lavrosse, or do the have to switch schools. My son is a 2019 who is considered a good player. I just cant imagine telling him he is going to repeat 9th grade and him being ok with it. Is this practice really more common that I think, because I don't know anyone in our school or on our travel team who has done this.

[quote=Anonymous]I have a real question, not being sarcastic in any means. I don't understand the reclassification or PG year thing. Do kids stay in the same school and repeat a grade for no other reason but lavrosse, or do the have to switch schools. My son is a 2019 who is considered a good player. I just cant imagine telling him he is going to repeat 9th grade and him being ok with it. Is this practice really more common that I think, because I don't know anyone in our school or on our travel team who has done this. [/quote

For public school kids the only way they will let you repeat a grade is for academic failure or behavioral concerns. In my sons case it was an academic and athletic decision as well as other factors. My son was offered this opportunity and I left the final decision up to him. He decided to give it a try and so far it has been a great experience for him. Make no mistake, it was an extremely difficult decision and one that we did not take lightly. It is more common than you think, although on Long Island it is less common because the public and private school programs are very strong and the travel lacrosse is very good.

As for a PG year It is an option for many kids who may need a year to get their grades up or the school they are committed to may have asked them to do it for scholarship/roster reasons. My sons school has several PG kids who are committed to D1 and D3 schools.

Thank you for your response. Sometimes it's all so much to take in and we all want to do what is best for our kids. So what I'm hoping is that with good grades and solid play there is a place for kids who want to play. Good luck to your son!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you for your response. Sometimes it's all so much to take in and we all want to do what is best for our kids. So what I'm hoping is that with good grades and solid play there is a place for kids who want to play. Good luck to your son!

I think with the growth of the sport there is a place for any kid who wants to play provided their grades and skill level are there. I agree with you 100%, we all just want whats best for our kids. The goal is to put them in the best position to succeed and make the most of their opportunities. Best of luck to you and your son as well.

Will any 2019 freshmen make the Varsity rosters at some of the prestigious big time public programs like Manhassett, Garden City, Syosset, Ward Melville, West Islip, Smithtown East/West, etc?

HHH will have one, but any other HS Varsity teams getting some impact fresmen?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will any 2019 freshmen make the Varsity rosters at some of the prestigious big time public programs like Manhassett, Garden City, Syosset, Ward Melville, West Islip, Smithtown East/West, etc?

HHH will have one, but any other HS Varsity teams getting some impact fresmen?

What about 2019 Freshman making any of the big public programs in Ridgefield, Darien, Yorktown, Bronxville, etc.?

Pleasantville will have a Freshman playing on the varsity team, but he played varsity last year as an 8th grader.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will any 2019 freshmen make the Varsity rosters at some of the prestigious big time public programs like Manhassett, Garden City, Syosset, Ward Melville, West Islip, Smithtown East/West, etc?

HHH will have one, but any other HS Varsity teams getting some impact fresmen?

What does it matter if it's a prestigious HS..If a kid makes it as a freshmen at any HS that is an accomplishment ,as long as the boy is getting better that's all that matters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will any 2019 freshmen make the Varsity rosters at some of the prestigious big time public programs like Manhassett, Garden City, Syosset, Ward Melville, West Islip, Smithtown East/West, etc?

HHH will have one, but any other HS Varsity teams getting some impact fresmen?

What does it matter if it's a prestigious HS..If a kid makes it as a freshmen at any HS that is an accomplishment ,as long as the boy is getting better that's all that matters.

Right playing varsity as a freshman is an accomplishment.

However, a freshman playing varsity at Ward Melville, Manhasset Garden City, Smithtown, Syosset, or Pequa would likely be considerably more "accomplished" than a freshmen playing at Great Neck, North Babylon, East Rockaway, Wayandanch, West Hempstead, Roslyn.

Good luck getting a look while playing at any of the latter schools.

Do you understand the question now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will any 2019 freshmen make the Varsity rosters at some of the prestigious big time public programs like Manhassett, Garden City, Syosset, Ward Melville, West Islip, Smithtown East/West, etc?

HHH will have one, but any other HS Varsity teams getting some impact fresmen?

What does it matter if it's a prestigious HS..If a kid makes it as a freshmen at any HS that is an accomplishment ,as long as the boy is getting better that's all that matters.

Right playing varsity as a freshman is an accomplishment.

However, a freshman playing varsity at Ward Melville, Manhasset Garden City, Smithtown, Syosset, or Pequa would likely be considerably more "accomplished" than a freshmen playing at Great Neck, North Babylon, East Rockaway, Wayandanch, West Hempstead, Roslyn.

Good luck getting a look while playing at any of the latter schools.

Do you understand the question now?

I guess it depends who is backing you and where you play travel too?

I will say it till I am blue in the face. there will be a few freshman that this will be their second year playing varsity. There were 6 to 8 8th graders playing Varsity last year. Maybe not at top schools but not a bottom schools either. The experience garnered is unquestionable. These will be boys you will hear about in the years to come. Undoubtedly 3/4 of them will probably be scooped up this time next year if they aren't already in talks.

It is great to play for a district rich in tradition but it is not needed. It is not a prerequisite. You are right a freshman playing at tradition rich school must be a standout. But don't sit back and diminish the accolades that those who make varsity as a Freshman deserve because they don't have the right zip code.

Good luck to all the next few weeks!

BTW - I think each of those tradition rich schools you mention could have at least 1 freshman represented. One or two teams may have 2 or more. They all have some great freshman

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will any 2019 freshmen make the Varsity rosters at some of the prestigious big time public programs like Manhassett, Garden City, Syosset, Ward Melville, West Islip, Smithtown East/West, etc?

HHH will have one, but any other HS Varsity teams getting some impact fresmen?

What does it matter if it's a prestigious HS..If a kid makes it as a freshmen at any HS that is an accomplishment ,as long as the boy is getting better that's all that matters.

Right playing varsity as a freshman is an accomplishment.

However, a freshman playing varsity at Ward Melville, Manhasset Garden City, Smithtown, Syosset, or Pequa would likely be considerably more "accomplished" than a freshmen playing at Great Neck, North Babylon, East Rockaway, Wayandanch, West Hempstead, Roslyn.

Good luck getting a look while playing at any of the latter schools.

Do you understand the question now?

"getting a look" where have you been. The freshman from the prestigious High schools that you mention have already gotten their "look" some are committed already and others are currently being recruited. None have played a varsity game. All of the recruiting has been done on the club circuit. If a talented player from one of the less competitive high schools plays for the top team at 91 or Express they will get "looks". Very few of the 100 plus 2019 commits played varsity last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will any 2019 freshmen make the Varsity rosters at some of the prestigious big time public programs like Manhassett, Garden City, Syosset, Ward Melville, West Islip, Smithtown East/West, etc?

HHH will have one, but any other HS Varsity teams getting some impact fresmen?

What does it matter if it's a prestigious HS..If a kid makes it as a freshmen at any HS that is an accomplishment ,as long as the boy is getting better that's all that matters.

Right playing varsity as a freshman is an accomplishment.

However, a freshman playing varsity at Ward Melville, Manhasset Garden City, Smithtown, Syosset, or Pequa would likely be considerably more "accomplished" than a freshmen playing at Great Neck, North Babylon, East Rockaway, Wayandanch, West Hempstead, Roslyn.

Good luck getting a look while playing at any of the latter schools.

Do you understand the question now?

I guess it depends who is backing you and where you play travel too?

I will say it till I am blue in the face. there will be a few freshman that this will be their second year playing varsity. There were 6 to 8 8th graders playing Varsity last year. Maybe not at top schools but not a bottom schools either. The experience garnered is unquestionable. These will be boys you will hear about in the years to come. Undoubtedly 3/4 of them will probably be scooped up this time next year if they aren't already in talks.

It is great to play for a district rich in tradition but it is not needed. It is not a prerequisite. You are right a freshman playing at tradition rich school must be a standout. But don't sit back and diminish the accolades that those who make varsity as a Freshman deserve because they don't have the right zip code.

Good luck to all the next few weeks!

BTW - I think each of those tradition rich schools you mention could have at least 1 freshman represented. One or two teams may have 2 or more. They all have some great freshman

I agree with you... can't diminish everyone, but if you are a standout freshman in any of the tradition rich schools then you are likely something very special. A stand out at a weaker program might have a harder time standing toe to toe (not impossible - but unlikely).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will any 2019 freshmen make the Varsity rosters at some of the prestigious big time public programs like Manhassett, Garden City, Syosset, Ward Melville, West Islip, Smithtown East/West, etc?

HHH will have one, but any other HS Varsity teams getting some impact fresmen?

Mm
What does it matter if it's a prestigious HS..If a kid makes it as a freshmen at any HS that is an accomplishment ,as long as the boy is getting better that's all that matters.

Right playing varsity as a freshman is an accomplishment.

However, a freshman playing varsity at Ward Melville, Manhasset Garden City, Smithtown, Syosset, or Pequa would likely be considerably more "accomplished" than a freshmen playing at Great Neck, North Babylon, East Rockaway, Wayandanch, West Hempstead, Roslyn.

Good luck getting a look while playing at any of the latter schools.

Do you understand the question now?

I guess it depends who is backing you and where you play travel too?

I will say it till I am blue in the face. there will be a few freshman that this will be their second year playing varsity. There were 6 to 8 8th graders playing Varsity last year. Maybe not at top schools but not a bottom schools either. The experience garnered is unquestionable. These will be boys you will hear about in the years to come. Undoubtedly 3/4 of them will probably be scooped up this time next year if they aren't already in talks.

It is great to play for a district rich in tradition but it is not needed. It is not a prerequisite. You are right a freshman playing at tradition rich school must be a standout. But don't sit back and diminish the accolades that those who make varsity as a Freshman deserve because they don't have the right zip code.

Good luck to all the next few weeks!

BTW - I think each of those tradition rich schools you mention could have at least 1 freshman represented. One or two teams may have 2 or more. They all have some great freshman

I agree with you... can't diminish everyone, but if you are a standout freshman in any of the tradition rich schools then you are likely something very special. A stand out at a weaker program might have a harder time standing toe to toe (not impossible - but unlikely).

I don't think the kids that played as 8th graders made that big of an impact at all..I'm
Sure they received playing time. By the way your travel teams is where you will get recognized .no college coaches are looking to see a very good attack player beat a kid who's level is not up to his. Not the other kids fault if he enjoys playing lacrosse but not as dedicated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will any 2019 freshmen make the Varsity rosters at some of the prestigious big time public programs like Manhassett, Garden City, Syosset, Ward Melville, West Islip, Smithtown East/West, etc?

HHH will have one, but any other HS Varsity teams getting some impact fresmen?

Mm
What does it matter if it's a prestigious HS..If a kid makes it as a freshmen at any HS that is an accomplishment ,as long as the boy is getting better that's all that matters.

Right playing varsity as a freshman is an accomplishment.

However, a freshman playing varsity at Ward Melville, Manhasset Garden City, Smithtown, Syosset, or Pequa would likely be considerably more "accomplished" than a freshmen playing at Great Neck, North Babylon, East Rockaway, Wayandanch, West Hempstead, Roslyn.

Good luck getting a look while playing at any of the latter schools.

Do you understand the question now?

I guess it depends who is backing you and where you play travel too?

I will say it till I am blue in the face. there will be a few freshman that this will be their second year playing varsity. There were 6 to 8 8th graders playing Varsity last year. Maybe not at top schools but not a bottom schools either. The experience garnered is unquestionable. These will be boys you will hear about in the years to come. Undoubtedly 3/4 of them will probably be scooped up this time next year if they aren't already in talks.

It is great to play for a district rich in tradition but it is not needed. It is not a prerequisite. You are right a freshman playing at tradition rich school must be a standout. But don't sit back and diminish the accolades that those who make varsity as a Freshman deserve because they don't have the right zip code.

Good luck to all the next few weeks!

BTW - I think each of those tradition rich schools you mention could have at least 1 freshman represented. One or two teams may have 2 or more. They all have some great freshman

I agree with you... can't diminish everyone, but if you are a standout freshman in any of the tradition rich schools then you are likely something very special. A stand out at a weaker program might have a harder time standing toe to toe (not impossible - but unlikely).

I don't think the kids that played as 8th graders made that big of an impact at all..I'm
Sure they received playing time. By the way your travel teams is where you will get recognized .no college coaches are looking to see a very good attack player beat a kid who's level is not up to his. Not the other kids fault if he enjoys playing lacrosse but not as dedicated.

That view will change with this crop of 8th graders playing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pleasantville will have a Freshman playing on the varsity team, but he played varsity last year as an 8th grader.

Pleasantville is NOT a prestigious program. If he was playing for any of the programs named that would be noteworthy. But, playing Varsity as a freshman at any program is an accomplishment to be proud of.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pleasantville will have a Freshman playing on the varsity team, but he played varsity last year as an 8th grader.

Pleasantville is NOT a prestigious program. If he was playing for any of the programs named that would be noteworthy. But, playing Varsity as a freshman at any program is an accomplishment to be proud of.

48-12 in the last 3 years is nice. State semis last year. You know where you can go with history. They are definitely on the rise.

Did he start, what are the points or is he a defender or goalie. If goalie that is interesting and may diminish CSH.

Massapequa will have 9th graders on varsity this year. A very strong group of athletes as freshman.

Thanks Dad. I'm sure they won't see the field. Only when you play Freeport or JfK. Not knocking the kids but I'm sure a school the size of 'Pequa has plenty of upperclassemen who are more deserving to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks Dad. I'm sure they won't see the field. Only when you play Freeport or JfK. Not knocking the kids but I'm sure a school the size of 'Pequa has plenty of upperclassemen who are more deserving to play.

Not a 'pequa dad but I agree they will have a few '19s on the squad and by the JFK game I am sure a few more freshman will join them in preparation of the playoffs.

Repugnant, nasty individual. Seems like you are threatened that Massapequa has talented freshman.

Rather than wish I g the players well, you are nasty. Cannot wait to see the freshman who are moved up to varsity do their thing.

Congrats to those 2019 MHS FRESHMAN who do get the honor of beginning the first year of 4 yr Varsity player.

My hat is off yo each of you!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Repugnant, nasty individual. Seems like you are threatened that Massapequa has talented freshman.

Rather than wish I g the players well, you are nasty. Cannot wait to see the freshman who are moved up to varsity do their thing.

Congrats to those 2019 MHS FRESHMAN who do get the honor of beginning the first year of 4 yr Varsity player.

My hat is off yo each of you!!!!!

Not likely that any freshman will do much more than gain experience. If you think otherwise you are delusional. Especially for a program like pequa. And, no I am not the other poster.

Didn't manhassett have a freshman play up last year?

WM has a 2019 committed to an ivy already

Pequa has a loaded 2019 class.

GC has probably 3 freshmen that could play up on varsity.

SWR has one as well.

Syosset has some very good 2019s. 2 are really good

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't manhassett have a freshman play up last year?

WM has a 2019 committed to an ivy already

Pequa has a loaded 2019 class.

GC has probably 3 freshmen that could play up on varsity.

SWR has one as well.

Syosset has some very good 2019s. 2 are really good

This is all great and Im sure they are all fine players, but varsity is a different animal. Im going to say that most of these kids will not see 1 minute of actually playing time in any kind of meaningful game if they actually get pulled up to varsity and stay there. Not a knock on those kids its just reality. Standing out against other 2019's is one thing, competing against some of the best competition in the country is quite another especially given the size and speed difference. All of those kids will wait their turn and shine when its their time. Best of luck to all of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't manhassett have a freshman play up last year?

WM has a 2019 committed to an ivy already

Pequa has a loaded 2019 class.

GC has probably 3 freshmen that could play up on varsity.

SWR has one as well.

Syosset has some very good 2019s. 2 are really good

This is all great and Im sure they are all fine players, but varsity is a different animal. Im going to say that most of these kids will not see 1 minute of actually playing time in any kind of meaningful game if they actually get pulled up to varsity and stay there. Not a knock on those kids its just reality. Standing out against other 2019's is one thing, competing against some of the best competition in the country is quite another especially given the size and speed difference. All of those kids will wait their turn and shine when its their time. Best of luck to all of them.

I'm confused. All I hear on this site is how early recruiting is bad for the game. There is non stop banter about how early recruiting is resulting in parity at the DI level. People cheer when the programs who habitually drive the early recruiting process lose to teams that "wait" a bit longer. I hear people say "how can college coaches tell who the studs are going to be?". There is also a lot of talk about the "late bloomer". I also hear how strong certain programs are (Massapequa, Syosset, Garden City, Manhasett, Smithtown E, Ward Melville). I hear how competitive the leagues are. I have to ask some questions.

Is it really that competitive?

If schools the size of Massapequa, Ward Melville and Syosset have to bring up 9th graders is the program really that strong? Smaller schools like Manhasset and CHS i get it.

Why don't these programs go with their late bloomers? is it because oonce the HS coach brings a kid up they are committed to the kid? Are HS coaches afraid to admit they made a mistake? Do the late bloomers simply get pushed aside and never get the chance?

If early recruiting is ruining the game then I would guess HS coaches bringing up 9th graders is contributing to the demise as well. Parents (youth league coaches) and kids jockeying and [lacrosse] kissing. Youth league "parent" coaches trying to pave the way and promote their own kid. Does any of this contribut to the current state of the game?

Do HS coaches feel obligated to bring early recruits up? Do the HS coaches feel they need to bring the early recruits up in order to stay relevant in the recruiting process. Kids are committing before they ever play a varsity game. Does that influence the HS coach? Are HS coaches influenced by college coaches calling on behalf of their recruits?

Cant speak for the other schools, but WM usually brings up one or two 9th graders-and they never really do anything but practice with the team. run on the field in a blow out...

Much better to have those boys playing with their buddies on JV in my opinion. But-let's face it, parents enjoy the bragging rights of getting recruited early or being asked to play V as a freshman. the kids deserve credit and this is not disrespectful to them or their parents.

But Absolutely nothing wrong with playing JV for a year or two and having fun with your mates (even if you were an early recruit).

the thrill of varsity is getting asked, after that, more fun to be had-and more time on the field, at JV level. Rushing to be on varsity so you can go to the weekly pasta parties...

I am not a historian, but don't recall any freshman at WM that contributed in any meaningful way over the last 5 years...yes, I saw a couple run on the field occasionally, but never a stud.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cant speak for the other schools, but WM usually brings up one or two 9th graders-and they never really do anything but practice with the team. run on the field in a blow out...

Much better to have those boys playing with their buddies on JV in my opinion. But-let's face it, parents enjoy the bragging rights of getting recruited early or being asked to play V as a freshman. the kids deserve credit and this is not disrespectful to them or their parents.

But Absolutely nothing wrong with playing JV for a year or two and having fun with your mates (even if you were an early recruit).

the thrill of varsity is getting asked, after that, more fun to be had-and more time on the field, at JV level. Rushing to be on varsity so you can go to the weekly pasta parties...

I am not a historian, but don't recall any freshman at WM that contributed in any meaningful way over the last 5 years...yes, I saw a couple run on the field occasionally, but never a stud.

My oldest son played varsity as a Freshman and it wasn't a great experience. He was big and skilled but not fast. His body hadn't matured enough so he didn't really enjoy it. As a sophomore he was much faster and loved every second of it. Each kid is different as is each situation. Let the kids have fun and enjoy the time, it goes by way too fast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cant speak for the other schools, but WM usually brings up one or two 9th graders-and they never really do anything but practice with the team. run on the field in a blow out...

Much better to have those boys playing with their buddies on JV in my opinion. But-let's face it, parents enjoy the bragging rights of getting recruited early or being asked to play V as a freshman. the kids deserve credit and this is not disrespectful to them or their parents.

But Absolutely nothing wrong with playing JV for a year or two and having fun with your mates (even if you were an early recruit).

the thrill of varsity is getting asked, after that, more fun to be had-and more time on the field, at JV level. Rushing to be on varsity so you can go to the weekly pasta parties...

I am not a historian, but don't recall any freshman at WM that contributed in any meaningful way over the last 5 years...yes, I saw a couple run on the field occasionally, but never a stud.

My oldest son played varsity as a Freshman and it wasn't a great experience. He was big and skilled but not fast. His body hadn't matured enough so he didn't really enjoy it. As a sophomore he was much faster and loved every second of it. Each kid is different as is each situation. Let the kids have fun and enjoy the time, it goes by way too fast.

Same exact thing happened with my son, Was miserable, while all his buddies were having a ball on JV. Sophomore, totally different story!

What if a 2019 verbal plays on JV, or a freshman team? Seems like that should be OK, but maybe viewed as a dud.

No one cares about JV ball- NO one- Have your son play varsity even if he does not start.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What if a 2019 verbal plays on JV, or a freshman team? Seems like that should be OK, but maybe viewed as a dud.

I believe Chaminade has several 2018's that are committed and will be playing JV this year, and I dont think anyone views them as duds. The only problem with JV is that the competition is a joke. My son played JV last year and I think they played 1 close game all year. Not much you can do about it, just play, get better and get ready for the next level.

mine verbally committed and then played JV. we discussed this decision with fam and varsity coach. he wasn't going to start on v-nor should he have-at his position.

coach understood our position and the jv coach was thrilled. 10th grade is now and will see time on the v team but there are still seniors that are very good and deserve to play, even if i think my kid is a little better...HS ball -no matter the sport-should be fun and create memories. Having a kid step over seniors that are as good or close to as good is just wrong

we had our club coach tell the college coach. they didn't care at all and were happy to see us on the sidelines this past summer...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one cares about JV ball- NO one- Have your son play varsity even if he does not start.

Kids do. Not everyone gets recruited or cares to.

I know LI has some top HS programs. That written, I think this dialogue points to what is really wrong with lacrosse. 9th graders with very few exception should play JV at a program like Chaminade. A fair representation of them might not be at varsity levels as 10th graders as well. If a kid is committed that young to a college but isn't ready for the higher tier of high school level, that tells me that the college coaches have over indulged by the hundreds. There are now 11th and 12th graders in Maryland whose only real accomplishment and relevance is they committed young.

Massapequa MAY, have two 2019's on the varsity. They are a very good group, with two excellent goalies, an excellent but undersized attackman who is being heavily recruited. Three or four really good middies, A great FOGO, and a couple of really decent defensemen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What if a 2019 verbal plays on JV, or a freshman team? Seems like that should be OK, but maybe viewed as a dud.

IMHO If a 2019 that verbaled played on a Freshman team then the school knows what they are doing (since most schools with Freshman teams are Catholics so they probably know what they are doing). It is invaluable to keep a class together at least the first year whether Freshman (Catholics) or JV (Publics). That will create a bound and memories for a lifetime for the boys. Next year as a Soph is a different story.

That being said if a group of players were moved up together that could change things and be a good thing.

The answer to your question is not a blanket yes or no it really depends on the school.

when u say undersized - what does that mean 5 foot 7 8, 9,? just curious

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Massapequa MAY, have two 2019's on the varsity. They are a very good group, with two excellent goalies, an excellent but undersized attackman who is being heavily recruited. Three or four really good middies, A great FOGO, and a couple of really decent defensemen.

Massapequa and WM 2019 (with 2020 goalie) are 2 of the top 2019's on the island. Look forward to seeing those clashes as the boys get older. if my memeory serves me JV cant play non conference games but can scrimmage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Massapequa MAY, have two 2019's on the varsity. They are a very good group, with two excellent goalies, an excellent but undersized attackman who is being heavily recruited. Three or four really good middies, A great FOGO, and a couple of really decent defensemen.

Top colleges really won't recruit too many undersized 2019 kids until they see if they will be getting much bigger. The Div II and III will recruit them heavily and see if they can get them to go for it..Way too much size at Div 1 now and the physical play will wear on them quicker. Not fair but it is what it is and the kids are only going to get bigger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one cares about JV ball- NO one- Have your son play varsity even if he does not start.

Kids do. Not everyone gets recruited or cares to.

Some JV programs the kids can hardly catch. Painful to watch

What are people's thoughts on Brine this Friday?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Massapequa MAY, have two 2019's on the varsity. They are a very good group, with two excellent goalies, an excellent but undersized attackman who is being heavily recruited. Three or four really good middies, A great FOGO, and a couple of really decent defensemen.

Top colleges really won't recruit too many undersized 2019 kids until they see if they will be getting much bigger. The Div II and III will recruit them heavily and see if they can get them to go for it..Way too much size at Div 1 now and the physical play will wear on them quicker. Not fair but it is what it is and the kids are only going to get bigger

Ok were back to this discussion again. Shall we go through the list of "undersized" players again? Oh and Div 2 and 3 really dont recruit until Junior year so I dont know where you got the "they will recruit them heavily and see if they can get them to go for it" statement.........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Massapequa MAY, have two 2019's on the varsity. They are a very good group, with two excellent goalies, an excellent but undersized attackman who is being heavily recruited. Three or four really good middies, A great FOGO, and a couple of really decent defensemen.

So which one is your son? Massapequa is a great town, love All American......

In my opinion I think it is going to be a bust. Most of the top players are not trying out. This summer the boys need to go to events that put them in front of college coaches. This event has little to no value as IMHO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my opinion I think it is going to be a bust. Most of the top players are not trying out. This summer the boys need to go to events that put them in front of college coaches. This event has little to no value as IMHO.

I dont know about that. Last year there were plenty of colleges on the sideline of Brine. More than Philly Freshman. I was at both. Facilities were awesome and so was the event. New event coordinators did a great job. Only thing that stunk was the team event where players had to sit in the heat and listen to those speeches.

Smaller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my opinion I think it is going to be a bust. Most of the top players are not trying out. This summer the boys need to go to events that put them in front of college coaches. This event has little to no value as IMHO.

I dont know about that. Last year there were plenty of colleges on the sideline of Brine. More than Philly Freshman. I was at both. Facilities were awesome and so was the event. New event coordinators did a great job. Only thing that stunk was the team event where players had to sit in the heat and listen to those speeches.

Lol, was there last year. No college coaches except the ones being paid. The whole event has become a dinosaur, waste of time and money!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Massapequa MAY, have two 2019's on the varsity. They are a very good group, with two excellent goalies, an excellent but undersized attackman who is being heavily recruited. Three or four really good middies, A great FOGO, and a couple of really decent defensemen.

Top colleges really won't recruit too many undersized 2019 kids until they see if they will be getting much bigger. The Div II and III will recruit them heavily and see if they can get them to go for it..Way too much size at Div 1 now and the physical play will wear on them quicker. Not fair but it is what it is and the kids are only going to get bigger

Ok were back to this discussion again. Shall we go through the list of "undersized" players again? Oh and Div 2 and 3 really dont recruit until Junior year so I dont know where you got the "they will recruit them heavily and see if they can get them to go for it" statement.........

I can guarantee the Div 1 coaches don't recruit the smaller players yet that's for sure unless the child is lightning fast and quickest on their team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Massapequa MAY, have two 2019's on the varsity. They are a very good group, with two excellent goalies, an excellent but undersized attackman who is being heavily recruited. Three or four really good middies, A great FOGO, and a couple of really decent defensemen.

Top colleges really won't recruit too many undersized 2019 kids until they see if they will be getting much bigger. The Div II and III will recruit them heavily and see if they can get them to go for it..Way too much size at Div 1 now and the physical play will wear on them quicker. Not fair but it is what it is and the kids are only going to get bigger

Ok were back to this discussion again. Shall we go through the list of "undersized" players again? Oh and Div 2 and 3 really dont recruit until Junior year so I dont know where you got the "they will recruit them heavily and see if they can get them to go for it" statement.........

I can guarantee the Div 1 coaches don't recruit the smaller players yet that's for sure unless the child is lightning fast and quickest on their team

You people keep getting it wrong on the size thing. So many excell at their position being 5'9 and under. Please stop! Like the other poster stated, do we really have start naming named again? Can you play or not, end of discussion!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my opinion I think it is going to be a bust. Most of the top players are not trying out. This summer the boys need to go to events that put them in front of college coaches. This event has little to no value as IMHO.

I dont know about that. Last year there were plenty of colleges on the sideline of Brine. More than Philly Freshman. I was at both. Facilities were awesome and so was the event. New event coordinators did a great job. Only thing that stunk was the team event where players had to sit in the heat and listen to those speeches.

Lol, was there last year. No college coaches except the ones being paid. The whole event has become a dinosaur, waste of time and money!

last years team was something special to watch a cast of characters. Of course a few kids were missing but special none the less. As far as college coaches, was at both the tournaments mentioned by far FPS had way more coaches. Brine had some but not nearly the amount as FPS. Although Brine did have college coaches as their coaches on the sideline.

As far as the heat you actually went to that ceremony in the heat, some found a nice place to cool off and stuff their faces before the last game.

I say at the least go to the tryout see who is there if for nothing else it is a good run before tryouts start Monday. As for the event your call they did change the date but may learned enough is enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Massapequa MAY, have two 2019's on the varsity. They are a very good group, with two excellent goalies, an excellent but undersized attackman who is being heavily recruited. Three or four really good middies, A great FOGO, and a couple of really decent defensemen.

Top colleges really won't recruit too many undersized 2019 kids until they see if they will be getting much bigger. The Div II and III will recruit them heavily and see if they can get them to go for it..Way too much size at Div 1 now and the physical play will wear on them quicker. Not fair but it is what it is and the kids are only going to get bigger

Ok were back to this discussion again. Shall we go through the list of "undersized" players again? Oh and Div 2 and 3 really dont recruit until Junior year so I dont know where you got the "they will recruit them heavily and see if they can get them to go for it" statement.........

I can guarantee the Div 1 coaches don't recruit the smaller players yet that's for sure unless the child is lightning fast and quickest on their team

You people keep getting it wrong on the size thing. So many excell at their position being 5'9 and under. Please stop! Like the other poster stated, do we really have start naming named again? Can you play or not, end of discussion!

sorry your son is teeney, tiny, but the window for smaller players is closing. Of course there are exceptions, but just like every other sport, bigger, faster, stronger is the future.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Massapequa MAY, have two 2019's on the varsity. They are a very good group, with two excellent goalies, an excellent but undersized attackman who is being heavily recruited. Three or four really good middies, A great FOGO, and a couple of really decent defensemen.

Top colleges really won't recruit too many undersized 2019 kids until they see if they will be getting much bigger. The Div II and III will recruit them heavily and see if they can get them to go for it..Way too much size at Div 1 now and the physical play will wear on them quicker. Not fair but it is what it is and the kids are only going to get bigger

Ok were back to this discussion again. Shall we go through the list of "undersized" players again? Oh and Div 2 and 3 really dont recruit until Junior year so I dont know where you got the "they will recruit them heavily and see if they can get them to go for it" statement.........

I can guarantee the Div 1 coaches don't recruit the smaller players yet that's for sure unless the child is lightning fast and quickest on their team

You people keep getting it wrong on the size thing. So many excell at their position being 5'9 and under. Please stop! Like the other poster stated, do we really have start naming named again? Can you play or not, end of discussion!

Who's naming names. It's not just about can you play. This sport like many others size is an issue and factor. The defenseman over the years have evolved into the bigger and more athletic kids, not like years ago at all. So being bigger is a huge advantage as long as you are athletic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my opinion I think it is going to be a bust. Most of the top players are not trying out. This summer the boys need to go to events that put them in front of college coaches. This event has little to no value as IMHO.

I dont know about that. Last year there were plenty of colleges on the sideline of Brine. More than Philly Freshman. I was at both. Facilities were awesome and so was the event. New event coordinators did a great job. Only thing that stunk was the team event where players had to sit in the heat and listen to those speeches.

Lol, was there last year. No college coaches except the ones being paid. The whole event has become a dinosaur, waste of time and money!

last years team was something special to watch a cast of characters. Of course a few kids were missing but special none the less. As far as college coaches, was at both the tournaments mentioned by far FPS had way more coaches. Brine had some but not nearly the amount as FPS. Although Brine did have college coaches as their coaches on the sideline.

As far as the heat you actually went to that ceremony in the heat, some found a nice place to cool off and stuff their faces before the last game.

I say at the least go to the tryout see who is there if for nothing else it is a good run before tryouts start Monday. As for the event your call they did change the date but may learned enough is enough.

You do know most tournaments pay the coaches to be there. I guess I saw different at Brine and Philly. I felt there were more coaches at the playoff games of Brine then at Philly Showcase.

If your kid is a player and they move him up to varsity and he doesn't get much time then what's the hype all about. One of my son's was brought up as a sophomore, didn't ask for it but the coach wanted him there only to watch other kids who he was better than play ahead of him. My son is a big kid yet the freshman they brought up played because his brother was a lax guy at the hs. It will never change with coaches bringing up a kid as a favor. If they don't play let them stay on jv. By the way my son quit lax. Good job coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Massapequa MAY, have two 2019's on the varsity. They are a very good group, with two excellent goalies, an excellent but undersized attackman who is being heavily recruited. Three or four really good middies, A great FOGO, and a couple of really decent defensemen.

Top colleges really won't recruit too many undersized 2019 kids until they see if they will be getting much bigger. The Div II and III will recruit them heavily and see if they can get them to go for it..Way too much size at Div 1 now and the physical play will wear on them quicker. Not fair but it is what it is and the kids are only going to get bigger

Ok were back to this discussion again. Shall we go through the list of "undersized" players again? Oh and Div 2 and 3 really dont recruit until Junior year so I dont know where you got the "they will recruit them heavily and see if they can get them to go for it" statement.........

I can guarantee the Div 1 coaches don't recruit the smaller players yet that's for sure unless the child is lightning fast and quickest on their team

You people keep getting it wrong on the size thing. So many excell at their position being 5'9 and under. Please stop! Like the other poster stated, do we really have start naming named again? Can you play or not, end of discussion!

Who's naming names. It's not just about can you play. This sport like many others size is an issue and factor. The defenseman over the years have evolved into the bigger and more athletic kids, not like years ago at all. So being bigger is a huge advantage as long as you are athletic.

yes of course size is a factor but certainly not the only one. Coaches also look for the non measurables such as heart, discipline, character, and so on. You can be 6'4 but if you dont work hard and youre a knucklehead, coaches will go with a smaller player with the intangibles hes looking for. I know all the parents advocating size have big kids of their own obviously, but just because hes big doesnt necessarily guarantee him a spot on a Top 20 team going to the final four every year. D1 rosters are loaded with sub 6ft kids who compete and excel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your kid is a player and they move him up to varsity and he doesn't get much time then what's the hype all about. One of my son's was brought up as a sophomore, didn't ask for it but the coach wanted him there only to watch other kids who he was better than play ahead of him. My son is a big kid yet the freshman they brought up played because his brother was a lax guy at the hs. It will never change with coaches bringing up a kid as a favor. If they don't play let them stay on jv. By the way my son quit lax. Good job coaches.

So the freshmen played over your son?. Maybe he was better. Maybe your son wasn't really into playing lacrosse and if so then he did the right thing. Don't blame the boy or the coaches .Blame.....you can fill in the blank

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your kid is a player and they move him up to varsity and he doesn't get much time then what's the hype all about. One of my son's was brought up as a sophomore, didn't ask for it but the coach wanted him there only to watch other kids who he was better than play ahead of him. My son is a big kid yet the freshman they brought up played because his brother was a lax guy at the hs. It will never change with coaches bringing up a kid as a favor. If they don't play let them stay on jv. By the way my son quit lax. Good job coaches.

So the freshmen played over your son?. Maybe he was better. Maybe your son wasn't really into playing lacrosse and if so then he did the right thing. Don't blame the boy or the coaches .Blame.....you can fill in the blank

I'm not involved in this specific one, but I say blame the HS coach and club coach every time and close to every time you'll be spot on. I have one kid in college and one kid just starting HS as a 9th grader. When my oldest was involved only a few years ago in HS lacrosse there were ZERO instances of kids getting brokered up to varsity and then brokered onto the field. Now we are seeing A LOT of that here in Maryland. My second son is a JV player, and that is the field he belongs on this year. Two kids who managed to commit to colleges will run on varsity, but neither kid belongs on that field and we all can see through it. A third kid who does not play club at all will start at SSDM as a 9th grader because he is a super freaky great athlete who contributed on varsity football and wrestling as a freshman. We all can see through that too...baloney and hype didn't put him on the varsity, his level of play did.

I have never in my life seen anything worse in sports than these club locusts who push a college to commit a kid before 9th grade varsity season, and then twist the screws on the HS coach. Sure, all the HS coaches claim they don't get played by pushy club guys and parents but nearly every time they just roll over. Can't have a kid committed to XYZ on the JV team. Looks bad for the kid, the parents and the club coach who sold him and can't be wrong and second guessed. If there are kids who are juniors and seniors who are affected by this and get alienated and want to just quit, I don't call them quitters. Stuff like this should never happen in high school sports. I call the club guys pimps and the HS coaches who roll over wimps. Lacrosse seems to be the only HS sport now where you can make varsity because of what you didn't do on the HS field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your kid is a player and they move him up to varsity and he doesn't get much time then what's the hype all about. One of my son's was brought up as a sophomore, didn't ask for it but the coach wanted him there only to watch other kids who he was better than play ahead of him. My son is a big kid yet the freshman they brought up played because his brother was a lax guy at the hs. It will never change with coaches bringing up a kid as a favor. If they don't play let them stay on jv. By the way my son quit lax. Good job coaches.

So the freshmen played over your son?. Maybe he was better. Maybe your son wasn't really into playing lacrosse and if so then he did the right thing. Don't blame the boy or the coaches .Blame.....you can fill in the blank

I'm not involved in this specific one, but I say blame the HS coach and club coach every time and close to every time you'll be spot on. I have one kid in college and one kid just starting HS as a 9th grader. When my oldest was involved only a few years ago in HS lacrosse there were ZERO instances of kids getting brokered up to varsity and then brokered onto the field. Now we are seeing A LOT of that here in Maryland. My second son is a JV player, and that is the field he belongs on this year. Two kids who managed to commit to colleges will run on varsity, but neither kid belongs on that field and we all can see through it. A third kid who does not play club at all will start at SSDM as a 9th grader because he is a super freaky great athlete who contributed on varsity football and wrestling as a freshman. We all can see through that too...baloney and hype didn't put him on the varsity, his level of play did.

I have never in my life seen anything worse in sports than these club locusts who push a college to commit a kid before 9th grade varsity season, and then twist the screws on the HS coach. Sure, all the HS coaches claim they don't get played by pushy club guys and parents but nearly every time they just roll over. Can't have a kid committed to XYZ on the JV team. Looks bad for the kid, the parents and the club coach who sold him and can't be wrong and second guessed. If there are kids who are juniors and seniors who are affected by this and get alienated and want to just quit, I don't call them quitters. Stuff like this should never happen in high school sports. I call the club guys pimps and the HS coaches who roll over wimps. Lacrosse seems to be the only HS sport now where you can make varsity because of what you didn't do on the HS field.

Are you at the practices watching these kids . Is your son coming in last, is he digging it ,showing up late. You don't know so how can you say anything. Some kids care about the sport and play hard others play because Dad said to and others play just to be on a team. Know all the facts before you say anything and chances are you wont know all the facts

My older kid and younger kid both put a lot into their sports and have fun. My oldest is playing at a D1 Ivy now and my younger who is in 9th grade isn't as zealous about it or as strong in lacrosse as his older brother.

No. I don't go to practice and watch these kids. I go to my job during the day. I don't go onto the sidelines at games, I sit in the stands and cheer with the other parents. I sit in a certain row to avoid being amongst the lunatic parents, and that is the only conscious thing I always do. I know my local facts. When my oldest was in 9th grade a club coach or parent would be laughed at for trying to press a HS coach for favorites. Now, it happens so often even the loudest defender look the fool for defending it...at least down here in MD. I'm not in the wrong for pointing this out. HS lacrosse gets cheapened when the club guys and pushy parents come and say you can't embarrass us all and have this committed kid on the JV team.

I also find it interesting the club guys and parents start this push and dialogue BEFORE tryouts. Now why do't you tell me why that is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one cares about JV ball- NO one- Have your son play varsity even if he does not start.

Kids do. Not everyone gets recruited or cares to.

Some JV programs the kids can hardly catch. Painful to watch

Even more painful to play against.

I've been a UVa alum, parent and lifer fan. I'd say this about early recruiting blowing up since 2013: I believe it is an employment hedge for some coaches. When the boom drops on a program after some down years it can get tough for a longer tenured coach to argue that the program isn't getting stale. I think after 2010 Dom knew he'd have a couple of tough years to convince kids and families to come. So he went really early to get an advantage to get some kids. Then he filled up classes and cleverly cross pollinated the reps and hype of very young players and just like that he can point to 4 highly regarded recruiting classes on the way. So the argument will go "why would an AD want to blow up these wonderful recruiting classes on the way?"

I see that has happened. But if UVA keeps losing with these ranked recruits it just falls apart. One of the cautionary tales yet to come is what will a 2019 or 2018 "commit" do when the coach who committed him gets the boot?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My older kid and younger kid both put a lot into their sports and have fun. My oldest is playing at a D1 Ivy now and my younger who is in 9th grade isn't as zealous about it or as strong in lacrosse as his older brother.

No. I don't go to practice and watch these kids. I go to my job during the day. I don't go onto the sidelines at games, I sit in the stands and cheer with the other parents. I sit in a certain row to avoid being amongst the lunatic parents, and that is the only conscious thing I always do. I know my local facts. When my oldest was in 9th grade a club coach or parent would be laughed at for trying to press a HS coach for favorites. Now, it happens so often even the loudest defender look the fool for defending it...at least down here in MD. I'm not in the wrong for pointing this out. HS lacrosse gets cheapened when the club guys and pushy parents come and say you can't embarrass us all and have this committed kid on the JV team.

I also find it interesting the club guys and parents start this push and dialogue BEFORE tryouts. Now why do't you tell me why that is.

This is a Maryland issue. Nothing to do with LI at all

I find it hard to believe that the club coaches or parents have that much sway with the varsity coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've been a UVa alum, parent and lifer fan. I'd say this about early recruiting blowing up since 2013: I believe it is an employment hedge for some coaches. When the boom drops on a program after some down years it can get tough for a longer tenured coach to argue that the program isn't getting stale. I think after 2010 Dom knew he'd have a couple of tough years to convince kids and families to come. So he went really early to get an advantage to get some kids. Then he filled up classes and cleverly cross pollinated the reps and hype of very young players and just like that he can point to 4 highly regarded recruiting classes on the way. So the argument will go "why would an AD want to blow up these wonderful recruiting classes on the way?"

I see that has happened. But if UVA keeps losing with these ranked recruits it just falls apart. One of the cautionary tales yet to come is what will a 2019 or 2018 "commit" do when the coach who committed him gets the boot?

This is precisely why you commit to the school, and everything that will do for you when you graduate, rather than the lacrosse program.

Problem with that reasoning is a kid is getting a committment from a lacrosse coach, and not the school. UVA has no agreements or committments of any kind with HS underclassmen. Zero.

Now consider the likelihood DS is coaching there next year. This is the last season of his contract and we are into the season. At UVA that is basically a memo in of itself.

Canadian Dad just checking in. How are you guys doing? Figure out the Baltimore reclass/PG scam yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Canadian Dad just checking in. How are you guys doing? Figure out the Baltimore reclass/PG scam yet?

Have Baltimore schools finalized rosters?

Most of the teams are going through scrimmages and early season practices. Some have not finalized rosters. Based on the scrimmages so far a few MIAA teams Loyola and Calvert Hall are looking better than expected, and some of the DC area teams are lookin worse than hoped. Landon is way off from last year and PVI is terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your kid is a player and they move him up to varsity and he doesn't get much time then what's the hype all about. One of my son's was brought up as a sophomore, didn't ask for it but the coach wanted him there only to watch other kids who he was better than play ahead of him. My son is a big kid yet the freshman they brought up played because his brother was a lax guy at the hs. It will never change with coaches bringing up a kid as a favor. If they don't play let them stay on jv. By the way my son quit lax. Good job coaches.

Nothing could be worse then a coach not taking a freshmen who is superior to the older players but doesn't get a chance. If the kid is better he should be up on varsity and playing.Dont hold them back due to his grade.

It is a rare 9th grader who will merit playing ahead of the 11th or 12th grade players. Superior I have no argument against. In Maryland it is more of a brokerage business now than residential real estate. In the recent 3 springs more and more club locusts actually come to all the pre-season scrimmages and then hang around to either troll or threaten the high school coaches to make sure the kid they sold to a college doesn't get put on the JV. It is an embarrassment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Canadian Dad just checking in. How are you guys doing? Figure out the Baltimore reclass/PG scam yet?

Have your Sophomores joined the Freshman squad yet? See; Edge Lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most of the teams are going through scrimmages and early season practices. Some have not finalized rosters. Based on the scrimmages so far a few MIAA teams Loyola and Calvert Hall are looking better than expected, and some of the DC area teams are lookin worse than hoped. Landon is way off from last year and PVI is terrible.

do those teams have freshman teams or just JV varsity?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is a rare 9th grader who will merit playing ahead of the 11th or 12th grade players. Superior I have no argument against. In Maryland it is more of a brokerage business now than residential real estate. In the recent 3 springs more and more club locusts actually come to all the pre-season scrimmages and then hang around to either troll or threaten the high school coaches to make sure the kid they sold to a college doesn't get put on the JV. It is an embarrassment.

There are VERY few Freshmen playing Varsity in MIAA this year. Your comment is not accurate, at least for the current year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is a rare 9th grader who will merit playing ahead of the 11th or 12th grade players. Superior I have no argument against. In Maryland it is more of a brokerage business now than residential real estate. In the recent 3 springs more and more club locusts actually come to all the pre-season scrimmages and then hang around to either troll or threaten the high school coaches to make sure the kid they sold to a college doesn't get put on the JV. It is an embarrassment.

There are VERY few Freshmen playing Varsity in MIAA this year. Your comment is not accurate, at least for the current year.

have maryland preps started posting rosters?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is a rare 9th grader who will merit playing ahead of the 11th or 12th grade players. Superior I have no argument against. In Maryland it is more of a brokerage business now than residential real estate. In the recent 3 springs more and more club locusts actually come to all the pre-season scrimmages and then hang around to either troll or threaten the high school coaches to make sure the kid they sold to a college doesn't get put on the JV. It is an embarrassment.

There are VERY few Freshmen playing Varsity in MIAA this year. Your comment is not accurate, at least for the current year.

have maryland preps started posting rosters?

St Paul's and Mount St Joe's are online. Maybe some others.

Any opinion on the Brine tryout last night. I know some kids for a few of the top programs weren't there but I'm sure plenty of talent was still there trying out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any opinion on the Brine tryout last night. I know some kids for a few of the top programs weren't there but I'm sure plenty of talent was still there trying out.

Only saw 2 guys with clipboards and only 1 really paying attention. Drills were ok, nothing to write home about.

A lot of top kids were not there but they could still put together a solid team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any opinion on the Brine tryout last night. I know some kids for a few of the top programs weren't there but I'm sure plenty of talent was still there trying out.

Only saw 2 guys with clipboards and only 1 really paying attention. Drills were ok, nothing to write home about.

I heard there wasn't much interest. Seemed like a scam last year.Wasn't there a kid chosen that didn't even try out? Besides, Chaminade had their first day of tryouts early today. No thanks

Will there be another try out? Any position look a little light?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any opinion on the Brine tryout last night. I know some kids for a few of the top programs weren't there but I'm sure plenty of talent was still there trying out.

Only saw 2 guys with clipboards and only 1 really paying attention. Drills were ok, nothing to write home about.

I heard there wasn't much interest. Seemed like a scam last year.Wasn't there a kid chosen that didn't even try out? Besides, Chaminade had their first day of tryouts early today. No thanks

Doesn't everyone make the Chaminade freshmen team?..if not then a kids HS career comes to an end that quickly.

If you get cut from the freshmen team then you were smart not to try out for Brine and save your money

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any opinion on the Brine tryout last night. I know some kids for a few of the top programs weren't there but I'm sure plenty of talent was still there trying out.

Only saw 2 guys with clipboards and only 1 really paying attention. Drills were ok, nothing to write home about.

I heard there wasn't much interest. Seemed like a scam last year.Wasn't there a kid chosen that didn't even try out? Besides, Chaminade had their first day of tryouts early today. No thanks

Evaluator is the former Port coach who is at Hills now and yes a kid was put on who plays for (drum roll) you guessed it Hills. Evaluators kid will make even if he doesn't deserve to and that is why this thing became a waste of time and money in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any opinion on the Brine tryout last night. I know some kids for a few of the top programs weren't there but I'm sure plenty of talent was still there trying out.

Only saw 2 guys with clipboards and only 1 really paying attention. Drills were ok, nothing to write home about.

I heard there wasn't much interest. Seemed like a scam last year.Wasn't there a kid chosen that didn't even try out? Besides, Chaminade had their first day of tryouts early today. No thanks

Evaluator is the former Port coach who is at Hills now and yes a kid was put on who plays for (drum roll) you guessed it Hills. Evaluators kid will make even if he doesn't deserve to and that is why this thing became a waste of time and money in my opinion.

Last year the Brine had significantly more players try out and the talent pool was extremely deep. Not the same this year.

Many of the players from last year did not attend. That team was outstanding.

Don't confuse the evaluator this year (formerly from port) with he boy who made it last year without trying out.
Assistant from Nassau CC helped run drills.

Guessing that this was a tune up for tryouts for many players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any opinion on the Brine tryout last night. I know some kids for a few of the top programs weren't there but I'm sure plenty of talent was still there trying out.

Only saw 2 guys with clipboards and only 1 really paying attention. Drills were ok, nothing to write home about.

I heard there wasn't much interest. Seemed like a scam last year.Wasn't there a kid chosen that didn't even try out? Besides, Chaminade had their first day of tryouts early today. No thanks

Evaluator is the former Port coach who is at Hills now and yes a kid was put on who plays for (drum roll) you guessed it Hills. Evaluators kid will make even if he doesn't deserve to and that is why this thing became a waste of time and money in my opinion.

Do we have to go through this again...

Last year was not a scam, it was a collection of some talented players (some didn't make the cut that were worthy yes, one who in my opinion is a top player in the grade was put on a list but never went). The team that went was a classic all LI team with kids form all over. Kids and families are still very friendly when they see each other.

If you know anything about last years team and the evaluator whom also coached the team... He knew exactly who and what he had across the many players from multiple team/towns . I bet if you asked each one of the players, who went, they will remember their coach for their entire lives.

Sorry if you had a bad experience but I know many who enjoyed the event, players and parents alike. It was just a bit much with many back to back events.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any opinion on the Brine tryout last night. I know some kids for a few of the top programs weren't there but I'm sure plenty of talent was still there trying out.

Only saw 2 guys with clipboards and only 1 really paying attention. Drills were ok, nothing to write home about.

I heard there wasn't much interest. Seemed like a scam last year.Wasn't there a kid chosen that didn't even try out? Besides, Chaminade had their first day of tryouts early today. No thanks

Evaluator is the former Port coach who is at Hills now and yes a kid was put on who plays for (drum roll) you guessed it Hills. Evaluators kid will make even if he doesn't deserve to and that is why this thing became a waste of time and money in my opinion.

Do we have to go through this again...

Last year was not a scam, it was a collection of some talented players (some didn't make the cut that were worthy yes, one who in my opinion is a top player in the grade was put on a list but never went). The team that went was a classic all LI team with kids form all over. Kids and families are still very friendly when they see each other.

If you know anything about last years team and the evaluator whom also coached the team... He knew exactly who and what he had across the many players from multiple team/towns . I bet if you asked each one of the players, who went, they will remember their coach for their entire lives.

Sorry if you had a bad experience but I know many who enjoyed the event, players and parents alike. It was just a bit much with many back to back events.

Hey, someone brought it up, AGAIN�
How did that go again? A talented player, who would have been chosen anyway, and was, even though he was too busy to make the tryout? I wonder if he even had to pay the tryout fee? Hysterical

I don't get it what are we teaching our kids. Oh your good you get excused from tryouts. BS. I have seen it time and time again. Players unable to make a tryout because they are away or at another event. That's why kids nowadays expect to President of a company after working for a year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't get it what are we teaching our kids. Oh your good you get excused from tryouts. BS. I have seen it time and time again. Players unable to make a tryout because they are away or at another event. That's why kids nowadays expect to President of a company after working for a year.

Did they put notice out yet to kids who made it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any opinion on the Brine tryout last night. I know some kids for a few of the top programs weren't there but I'm sure plenty of talent was still there trying out.

Only saw 2 guys with clipboards and only 1 really paying attention. Drills were ok, nothing to write home about.

I heard there wasn't much interest. Seemed like a scam last year.Wasn't there a kid chosen that didn't even try out? Besides, Chaminade had their first day of tryouts early today. No thanks

Evaluator is the former Port coach who is at Hills now and yes a kid was put on who plays for (drum roll) you guessed it Hills. Evaluators kid will make even if he doesn't deserve to and that is why this thing became a waste of time and money in my opinion.

Do we have to go through this again...

Last year was not a scam, it was a collection of some talented players (some didn't make the cut that were worthy yes, one who in my opinion is a top player in the grade was put on a list but never went). The team that went was a classic all LI team with kids form all over. Kids and families are still very friendly when they see each other.

If you know anything about last years team and the evaluator whom also coached the team... He knew exactly who and what he had across the many players from multiple team/towns . I bet if you asked each one of the players, who went, they will remember their coach for their entire lives.

Sorry if you had a bad experience but I know many who enjoyed the event, players and parents alike. It was just a bit much with many back to back events.

Hey, someone brought it up, AGAIN�
How did that go again? A talented player, who would have been chosen anyway, and was, even though he was too busy to make the tryout? I wonder if he even had to pay the tryout fee? Hysterical

This had nothing to do with playing, it was all about being able to put this in a resume nothing more. It looks good and no one cares if they were there or not at the tryout . Just to have the name say they did

Last year Brine was a scam. Aside from the issue above, they had picked two teams - Team 1 and Team 2, let's say A & B. Announced the names for both. One week before VA, kids were put on Team 1 who were never even on a list for Team 1 or 2. So were not good enough to make either team in the first place, and all of a sudden were on Team 1. Instead of taking deserving kids from Team 2 and move them up, they found kids from where?????? Politics at its finest. I have to tell my son it will only make you stronger in the long run!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year Brine was a scam. Aside from the issue above, they had picked two teams - Team 1 and Team 2, let's say A & B. Announced the names for both. One week before VA, kids were put on Team 1 who were never even on a list for Team 1 or 2. So were not good enough to make either team in the first place, and all of a sudden were on Team 1. Instead of taking deserving kids from Team 2 and move them up, they found kids from where?????? Politics at its finest. I have to tell my son it will only make you stronger in the long run!

did they put out the notifications yet for Brine?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year Brine was a scam. Aside from the issue above, they had picked two teams - Team 1 and Team 2, let's say A & B. Announced the names for both. One week before VA, kids were put on Team 1 who were never even on a list for Team 1 or 2. So were not good enough to make either team in the first place, and all of a sudden were on Team 1. Instead of taking deserving kids from Team 2 and move them up, they found kids from where?????? Politics at its finest. I have to tell my son it will only make you stronger in the long run!

This is all true. We went last year to the first tryout in good faith, then out of nowhere there is a second tryout, then pride of LI (big money scam!!!) My son made second team, we declined, very disgusted with the entire shady process. No value unless you like to make donations!

Long Island parent whose son played in this event last year and loved every minute of it. Thing is we never tried out for Long Island - we missed the first tryout because we were away that week so I brought him to Connecticut tryout and he made the team.

This year I asked him if he wanted to tryout again and he said he would but only wanted to go back to Team Connecticut. He made the team again and was thrilled when he saw that most of the team came back for another run.

Moral of the story is you can get away from the politics if you want - my son did not wear a club helmet, no one knew he was from Long Island. He made the team because of his ability and nothing else. He has played at events with the "so called best" of the 2019s but even at 14 he is smart enough to see through the BS, and he wants no part of it.

Could not be prouder of him.

WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE FROM B R I N E ! ! !

Not going to hold my breath, what with all the BAD press

Emails started to go out ysterday. Maybe you should relax. They told all the boys that everyone would hear by Wednesday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE FROM B R I N E ! ! !

Not going to hold my breath, what with all the BAD press

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island parent whose son played in this event last year and loved every minute of it. Thing is we never tried out for Long Island - we missed the first tryout because we were away that week so I brought him to Connecticut tryout and he made the team.

This year I asked him if he wanted to tryout again and he said he would but only wanted to go back to Team Connecticut. He made the team again and was thrilled when he saw that most of the team came back for another run.

Moral of the story is you can get away from the politics if you want - my son did not wear a club helmet, no one knew he was from Long Island. He made the team because of his ability and nothing else. He has played at events with the "so called best" of the 2019s but even at 14 he is smart enough to see through the BS, and he wants no part of it.

Could not be prouder of him.

I think you confirmed yet again how corrupt the Long Island team is and will continue to be. Would love to watch these evaluators kids show up at an out of state tryout with a generic helmet, I bet the ranch kids get cut within first 10 minutes because of their sense of entitlement. Head , Heart , Hustle a lacrosse mantra not in their vocabulary.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails started to go out ysterday. Maybe you should relax. They told all the boys that everyone would hear by Wednesday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE FROM B R I N E ! ! !

Not going to hold my breath, what with all the BAD press

So the 2019's went out yesterday or another age went out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails started to go out ysterday. Maybe you should relax. They told all the boys that everyone would hear by Wednesday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE FROM B R I N E ! ! !

Not going to hold my breath, what with all the BAD press

How do you know emails went out yesterday are you part of the Brine sham tryout system ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails started to go out ysterday. Maybe you should relax. They told all the boys that everyone would hear by Wednesday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE FROM B R I N E ! ! !

Not going to hold my breath, what with all the BAD press

How do you know emails went out yesterday are you part of the Brine sham tryout system ?

Yes, they started yesterday. My son got his letter saying he wasn't selected.

Get your credit cards ready they're gonna want another
$ 179.00 to save your spot at the next Tryout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails started to go out ysterday. Maybe you should relax. They told all the boys that everyone would hear by Wednesday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE FROM B R I N E ! ! !

Not going to hold my breath, what with all the BAD press

How do you know emails went out yesterday are you part of the Brine sham tryout system ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get your credit cards ready they're gonna want another
$ 179.00 to save your spot at the next Tryout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails started to go out ysterday. Maybe you should relax. They told all the boys that everyone would hear by Wednesday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE FROM B R I N E ! ! !

Not going to hold my breath, what with all the BAD press

How do you know emails went out yesterday are you part of the Brine sham tryout system ?

Yes like a recurring nightmare. You people are all suckers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get your credit cards ready they're gonna want another
$ 179.00 to save your spot at the next Tryout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails started to go out ysterday. Maybe you should relax. They told all the boys that everyone would hear by Wednesday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE FROM B R I N E ! ! !

Not going to hold my breath, what with all the BAD press

How do you know emails went out yesterday are you part of the Brine sham tryout system ?

Yes like a recurring nightmare. You people are all suckers

So everyone has been notified that made the team? Did they notify the ones that didn't as well already?

are they doing a second tryout or did they pick the team just from the first. I know last year we had a final tryout to pick the teams

People just want to say there kid made the brine team. Who really cares. It's a big joke. Reasons like this is why I pulled my kids out of travel.

Which are the individual showcases that 2019s should be attending this summer? I already know that anything NLF is for the A players of the 6 clubs who make up the group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which are the individual showcases that 2019s should be attending this summer? I already know that anything NLF is for the A players of the 6 clubs who make up the group.

Thanks for posting NFL, shamelessly promoting your pocketbook!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which are the individual showcases that 2019s should be attending this summer? I already know that anything NLF is for the A players of the 6 clubs who make up the group.

Thanks for posting NFL, shamelessly promoting your pocketbook!

The NLF better load up with the 2019's because the top 2020's are not in that silly group. First the Crabs are a 2019 team playing down. And beside Crush the others get beat frequently by a ton of other teams. It will all unravel.

What clubs make up the NLF?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What clubs make up the NLF?

Look it up. It's called Google! Amazing tool I am told.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What clubs make up the NLF?

Look it up. It's called Google! Amazing tool I am told.

The time it took for you to be a smart [lacrosse], you could have chosen to be helpful

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What clubs make up the NLF?

Look it up. It's called Google! Amazing tool I am told.

The time it took for you to be a smart [lacrosse], you could have chosen to be helpful

And the time you took to write the above, you could have looked it up on google. Stop being lazy. No doubt a Bernie Sanders supporter

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What clubs make up the NLF?

Look it up. It's called Google! Amazing tool I am told.

The time it took for you to be a smart [lacrosse], you could have chosen to be helpful

And the time you took to write the above, you could have looked it up on google. Stop being lazy. No doubt a Bernie Sanders supporter

I am not the one who asked the question, I gave you my 10 seconds

CRABS
BIG 4 HHH
LAXACHUSSETTS
LEADING EDGE
LONG ISLAND EXPRESS
TEAM 91 LACROSSE

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which are the individual showcases that 2019s should be attending this summer? I already know that anything NLF is for the A players of the 6 clubs who make up the group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Which are the individual showcases that 2019s should be attending this summer? I already know that anything NLF is for the A players of the 6 clubs who make up the group.

Thanks for posting NFL, shamelessly promoting your pocketbook!

The NLF better load up with the 2019's because the top 2020's are not in that silly group. First the Crabs are a 2019 team playing down. And beside Crush the others get beat frequently by a ton of other teams. It will all unravel. [/quote

How many of those "2019's" are actually 14 year olds ?

What's are you trying to say ?? Most 2019's have under aged players ?? Why would they do that ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Which are the individual showcases that 2019s should be attending this summer? I already know that anything NLF is for the A players of the 6 clubs who make up the group.

Thanks for posting NFL, shamelessly promoting your pocketbook!

The NLF better load up with the 2019's because the top 2020's are not in that silly group. First the Crabs are a 2019 team playing down. And beside Crush the others get beat frequently by a ton of other teams. It will all unravel. [/quote

How many of those "2019's" are actually 14 year olds ?

Back to the original question:

What showcases should my son be playing In this summer as a rising sophomore?

He does not play for an NLF member "AA" team so he is not going to Crabfest, young guns, Platnium Cup, NXT where there will be coaches watching.

Any insight????

Well most of the good ones will be full at this point. Showtime and Jake Reed are pretty much done at this point, there are some 2nd tier options you should talk to your club or high school coach about. You should have him go to the prospect days for the schools he is interested in as well.

Most of the good showcases require a recommendation from your club or high school coach so get with them as soon as possible.

Honestly though the best way to get quality looks is at the schools prospect day. Send your sons video to the coaches and follow it up with an introductory email. Best of luck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the original question:

What showcases should my son be playing In this summer as a rising sophomore?

He does not play for an NLF member "AA" team so he is not going to Crabfest, young guns, Platnium Cup, NXT where there will be coaches watching.

Any insight????

None of the tourneys you mentioned are NLF events.

NLF events will be one and the same as others. Quite honestly I think it was formed as another p.r. gimmick by HHH and Crabs to 'differentiate' themselves from everyone else by throwing together exactly the same thing. Basically club lacrosse is a place to play some summer ball at one of 3-4 tournaments that will run each weekend that will all be 'attended by coaches from over 100 colleges'. That means the bigger D1 programs that have a head coach and three assistants will split up to canvas them which leads to a lot of frustration over where 'THE coaches will be'.

I know this is a cynical take, but is there a cogent way to look at this and think these coaches are keenly following hundreds and hundreds of games or kids? Frankly I think the college recruiting is more college ex-players who are coaching club while playing MLL or other known club guys are just pumping a word of mouth on kids they want to push -- which are usually kids who have attended a lot of paid clinics and events showing they and parents 'really want it'. UVA's first few 2016 recruits who committed as freshmen were all club players coached by UVA alums which were seen once in person by the UVA staff. Nothing has changed since that started a few years ago except it has gone earlier.

This process should look like all the kids line up in front of the lawn chair row with their name, prep school coach email address, GPA and dad's W-2 AI for three prior years stitched onto their pinnies. It would make the process more transparent.

Both clubs have their "AA" team playing in great events.

My son is not playing with AA-- not complaining, I am asking if anyone has insight on where I should be sending my son - not counting college prospect days --

Seems to me NLF was designed to have the top team in each of the 6 clubs playing in front of coaches. I was unaware that they do not take players from their other teams, i.e.: white, Schreiber, for showcase events. I called and asked.

If you have suggestions thanks. No need to respond if you are going to complain or tell me son was not good enough for the top tier team so he should not be in top events.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both clubs have their "AA" team playing in great events.

My son is not playing with AA-- not complaining, I am asking if anyone has insight on where I should be sending my son - not counting college prospect days --

Seems to me NLF was designed to have the top team in each of the 6 clubs playing in front of coaches. I was unaware that they do not take players from their other teams, i.e.: white, Schreiber, for showcase events. I called and asked.

If you have suggestions thanks. No need to respond if you are going to complain or tell me son was not good enough for the top tier team so he should not be in top events.

You should just take your kid to prospect days. You don't need the showcases. If the University of Wyoming offers your kid a scholarship at one of these showcases is your son accepting it. He has to want to go there and have his major. So while it's great to be I some of these showcases it definitely isn't the end all to be all. A lot of times it pays to be the big fish in the small pond.These coaches keep seeing the top kids from the AA teams and if your son hasn't been offered anything yet it usually means they aren't one of the top players. Some people call them roster fillers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both clubs have their "AA" team playing in great events.

My son is not playing with AA-- not complaining, I am asking if anyone has insight on where I should be sending my son - not counting college prospect days --

Seems to me NLF was designed to have the top team in each of the 6 clubs playing in front of coaches. I was unaware that they do not take players from their other teams, i.e.: white, Schreiber, for showcase events. I called and asked.

If you have suggestions thanks. No need to respond if you are going to complain or tell me son was not good enough for the top tier team so he should not be in top events.

Be careful as many of the school prospect days you get "invited" to are just money grabs. At best, most coaches already have the 10-15 kids they are looking at - the other 80 are trying somehow to get noticed.
Good indicator? Prospect days with more than 1 or 2 grades invited. Why have you son play vs kids much older....or at best, with multiple ages there, how focused really are the coaches?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both clubs have their "AA" team playing in great events.

My son is not playing with AA-- not complaining, I am asking if anyone has insight on where I should be sending my son - not counting college prospect days --

Seems to me NLF was designed to have the top team in each of the 6 clubs playing in front of coaches. I was unaware that they do not take players from their other teams, i.e.: white, Schreiber, for showcase events. I called and asked.

If you have suggestions thanks. No need to respond if you are going to complain or tell me son was not good enough for the top tier team so he should not be in top events.

Be careful as many of the school prospect days you get "invited" to are just money grabs. At best, most coaches already have the 10-15 kids they are looking at - the other 80 are trying somehow to get noticed.
Good indicator? Prospect days with more than 1 or 2 grades invited. Why have you son play vs kids much older....or at best, with multiple ages there, how focused really are the coaches?

That's why you go to prospect days of the schools you have interest in not the ones that come to you.. My son gets invited all the time, just pick schools your son realistically want to go to

As stated above, choose to attend prospect days at the schools that are a realistic fit athletically and academically. Secondly, look at the various committed lists and check the number of recruits already committed at those potential schools. Probably no need to attend a prospect camp at a school that already has three or four poles committed if your son is a pole also. Check with your club and HS coaches and ask them what schools they would realistically recommend based upon their experiences with your son. My son attended three D1 prospect days. First one I felt was a money grab with too many kids and I don't think they were really looking at the kids as potential recruits. The 2nd one, the coaches were actively looking and sought my son out during and afterwards. The 3rd one, the coaches were actively looking and sought my son out during and afterwards. He ultimately committed to the third school attended. So the first one was a negative experience and the other two were positive experiences! Good luck!

They do take kids from their other teams. White kids were invited to and attended the NLF individual showcase and the white team will be in the NLF national championship. I am sure the better kids from the second Express team were invited to the individual event as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both clubs have their "AA" team playing in great events.

My son is not playing with AA-- not complaining, I am asking if anyone has insight on where I should be sending my son - not counting college prospect days --

Seems to me NLF was designed to have the top team in each of the 6 clubs playing in front of coaches. I was unaware that they do not take players from their other teams, i.e.: white, Schreiber, for showcase events. I called and asked.

If you have suggestions thanks. No need to respond if you are going to complain or tell me son was not good enough for the top tier team so he should not be in top events.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the original question:

What showcases should my son be playing In this summer as a rising sophomore?

He does not play for an NLF member "AA" team so he is not going to Crabfest, young guns, Platnium Cup, NXT where there will be coaches watching.

Any insight????

Since you're asking the question, I'm going to make the assumption that you're not completely familiar with the recruiting process. Here's a general guideline to help:

1. Have your son make a list of schools he would like to attend. First and foremost, the SCHOOL should be a good fit for him and his interest. LACROSSE comes second. There is a big difference in environments from say a Big 10 school vs. a Patriot. Injuries happen, passion fades, etc. etc. Have your son go to a school he would attend regardless of lacrosse.

2. After you have your list, make your highlight tape. If you don't have a tape, make one. There are countless online examples. Keep it short, simple and put your son's BEST highlights first. This isn't a movie to build up to a big bang. Coaches probably watch 45 sec - 1 minute of a film and have a good idea if the player would be a good fit.

3. Email your highlight tape and introduce yourself to the colleges and put in your contact info (i.e. Club Director, Coach so they can contact them. Not your kid). You can ask to see what tourney's/showcases they will be attending in the summer. If they like what they see, good chance they'll contact your Director/Coach

4. Schedule your summer schedule based on exposure to the coaches/schools you want to play for. This is why showcases/club teams matter. Not every coach is going to every showcase/tourney. They're going to the premier events where they can see a higher % of the kids they're interested in. Folks like to say "money grab" a lot, and in some respects that's true. But it isn't a "money grab" if the school you're interested is there, you've coordinated with the coaching staff that you're playing there, and they're expecting to see you play. It's a process and your son has to own it.

5. Follow up with coaches through your club or coach after tourneys, showcases, etc. to gauge interest level. If they like what they see, they'll schedule a visit.

All that being said, if your son isn't playing at the top team events I'd suggest moving to a club that does so he can attend those top events. Sadly with early recruiting, he's already behind in terms of the top D1 programs. DIII is a different ballgame completely; and there may be a good fit for him there as they're more regulated with recruiting.

How is D 3 more regulated ?? They have less restrictions in the recruiting process?

point # 1 about choosing the school is so important. you cannot be so desperate to say you committed that you choose a school just because a coach said , "sure you can commit here if you want" this is a common D3 thing. its a bad path to follow just to commit to a lax team. the schools culture should be a good fit.

"1. Have your son make a list of schools he would like to attend. First and foremost, the SCHOOL should be a good fit for him and his interest. LACROSSE comes second. There is a big difference in environments from say a Big 10 school vs. a Patriot. Injuries happen, passion fades, etc. etc. Have your son go to a school he would attend regardless of lacrosse."

Sorry if this sounds snarky, but asking a 9th grader to choose a college that would be a good fit for him and his interests is hysterical. Are there any colleges out there that are a good fit for a kid who keeps forgetting to clean his room and likes to play pick up basketball down the block or Call of Duty with his friends after school?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"1. Have your son make a list of schools he would like to attend. First and foremost, the SCHOOL should be a good fit for him and his interest. LACROSSE comes second. There is a big difference in environments from say a Big 10 school vs. a Patriot. Injuries happen, passion fades, etc. etc. Have your son go to a school he would attend regardless of lacrosse."

Sorry if this sounds snarky, but asking a 9th grader to choose a college that would be a good fit for him and his interests is hysterical. Are there any colleges out there that are a good fit for a kid who keeps forgetting to clean his room and likes to play pick up basketball down the block or Call of Duty with his friends after school?

You just described 99 percent of the male teenage population, lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"1. Have your son make a list of schools he would like to attend. First and foremost, the SCHOOL should be a good fit for him and his interest. LACROSSE comes second. There is a big difference in environments from say a Big 10 school vs. a Patriot. Injuries happen, passion fades, etc. etc. Have your son go to a school he would attend regardless of lacrosse."

Sorry if this sounds snarky, but asking a 9th grader to choose a college that would be a good fit for him and his interests is hysterical. Are there any colleges out there that are a good fit for a kid who keeps forgetting to clean his room and likes to play pick up basketball down the block or Call of Duty with his friends after school?

You just described 99 percent of the male teenage population, lol

If you think the parents aren't behind almost all of the recruiting emails and blind contacts to coaches, you're delusional. Further, if you're leaving this process, that could be worth $100,000 or more in some cases in tuition money, in the hands of a 13-14 year old freshman you really are insane. The guy above saying the kid has to own it, is full of it. What 13 yo is "owning this process"? Total BS. The parents need to be "all in" you need to work tirelessly on behalf of your son. Craft the emails, pay for the video, book the showcases and prospect days. Do the follow up. Don't know about your kid, but mine needs to spend his time working hard on his grades and his game. Oh yeah, he needs to be a kid too. This is a partnership between you and your son. He focuses on Grades, Sports and off field behavior. You had better sign up for EVERYTHING else. BTW, I have one playing in college already and one committed. I know what I'm talking about!!! Between the two, my total projected tuition savings will be very close to $200,000. Call me crazy, but there's no way I'm leaving that to my 14 year old. Last point, in my tax bracket I need to make nearly $350,000 to come up with that $200,000 in take home tuition cost. This is not child's play folks...

That makes more sense. If your kid is a good enough player in 9th grade to get a monetary discount, I can understand a parent wanting or needing that. Many of these same colleges have a lot of merit money for good students and some of the selective colleges also have very large endowments. So if affordability is a driving factor, there is that for kids who are admitted without lacrosse.

I have a son who is a junior with a 4.7 GPA and scored 99% on the PSAT meaning he'll be a national merit semifinalist and he'll have a few merit based opportunities...where those opportunities will be I have no idea. He was recruited, but by schools he doesn't go in for geographically and schools we would not want for him academically. So he will be one of the zillion kids applying to 3-4 Ivies and some other selective schools. Maybe he'll get into his #1, maybe he won't. Lacrosse can greatly boost that #1 choice to happen with the coach helping. That written, I am confident he'll get into a very good college and likely will have a choice of good colleges.

I'd vote that if a kid is a very good student, lacrosse is discounting both the dollars and the opportunities. There are some lacrosse parents who will get $100,000 off a four year college which would cost over $200,000 and that sounds great. I know of a few parents who are excited about $5,000-$10,000 a year scholarships making college more affordable, and I think those parents have a problem doing math. If they can't afford college, there will be aid or merit money insofar as their kid is a reasonably decent student. I have an older son and it appears to me that nearly all private schools that cost $60K or more cost that for a reason. The uber rich will just pay, and everyone else including the sort of wealthy get a discount. It is the same thrill some feel when they get $2,000 off MSRP on a car from a dealer. For private colleges very few people are paying sticker...it makes people feel good to get a discount and helps the school raise yield to say $45K instead of $65K. It isn't like they aren't collecting a lot anyways, especially universities supported by states.

I just got the email from USlacrosse on the new player segmentation policy. I know this long overdue change was well known to be coming, but nice to see it's official with a 2017 start date...too late to help our kids, but at least it's here...now kids won't have to deal with the huge disparity in size and skill that existed due to this nonsense...you hear that Edge, you can keep your men against boys select sides home and play box, because I doubt you'll be bringing and of the age appropriate select sides south of the border anymore...but thanks for being an integral reason this came about...nonsense

I like that they aggressively adopted the recommendation and in fact made the cutoff 9/1. I thought it was going to come back 5/1 which is kind o meaningless...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just got the email from USlacrosse on the new player segmentation policy. I know this long overdue change was well known to be coming, but nice to see it's official with a 2017 start date...too late to help our kids, but at least it's here...now kids won't have to deal with the huge disparity in size and skill that existed due to this nonsense...you hear that Edge, you can keep your men against boys select sides home and play box, because I doubt you'll be bringing and of the age appropriate select sides south of the border anymore...but thanks for being an integral reason this came about...nonsense

Finally, age based lacrosse. Now the tough part. How do you police the rosters? Need an ID system of some sort.

not true about everyone makes freshman at chaminade...i know of two pretty decent kids who didn't make it, even over at kellenberg and saint anthony's I heard they're were freshman cuts, not sure how the publics do it...too many kids now play or think they do...the point is to play, not wear the red helmet...i think they were done a favor, if your kid never sees the field as a freshman, even if the are playing up on JV or varsity, i think the time is better spent elsewhere...grades people, that will matter more if they are a marginal player...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

not true about everyone makes freshman at chaminade...i know of two pretty decent kids who didn't make it, even over at kellenberg and saint anthony's I heard they're were freshman cuts, not sure how the publics do it...too many kids now play or think they do...the point is to play, not wear the red helmet...i think they were done a favor, if your kid never sees the field as a freshman, even if the are playing up on JV or varsity, i think the time is better spent elsewhere...grades people, that will matter more if they are a marginal player...

35ish made the 9th grade team from 100ish that tried out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"1. Have your son make a list of schools he would like to attend. First and foremost, the SCHOOL should be a good fit for him and his interest. LACROSSE comes second. There is a big difference in environments from say a Big 10 school vs. a Patriot. Injuries happen, passion fades, etc. etc. Have your son go to a school he would attend regardless of lacrosse."

Sorry if this sounds snarky, but asking a 9th grader to choose a college that would be a good fit for him and his interests is hysterical. Are there any colleges out there that are a good fit for a kid who keeps forgetting to clean his room and likes to play pick up basketball down the block or Call of Duty with his friends after school?

You just described 99 percent of the male teenage population, lol

If you think the parents aren't behind almost all of the recruiting emails and blind contacts to coaches, you're delusional. Further, if you're leaving this process, that could be worth $100,000 or more in some cases in tuition money, in the hands of a 13-14 year old freshman you really are insane. The guy above saying the kid has to own it, is full of it. What 13 yo is "owning this process"? Total BS. The parents need to be "all in" you need to work tirelessly on behalf of your son. Craft the emails, pay for the video, book the showcases and prospect days. Do the follow up. Don't know about your kid, but mine needs to spend his time working hard on his grades and his game. Oh yeah, he needs to be a kid too. This is a partnership between you and your son. He focuses on Grades, Sports and off field behavior. You had better sign up for EVERYTHING else. BTW, I have one playing in college already and one committed. I know what I'm talking about!!! Between the two, my total projected tuition savings will be very close to $200,000. Call me crazy, but there's no way I'm leaving that to my 14 year old. Last point, in my tax bracket I need to make nearly $350,000 to come up with that $200,000 in take home tuition cost. This is not child's play folks...

By far one of the most spot on posts I have ever seen on this forum. Kudos to you sir......

Have to disagree on this one. Time spent playing sports, be it at practice or during games is a valuable asset for any child. I encourage my son to play as many sports as possible, this is valuable for his college applications as well as keeping him busy and away from potentially bad decisions. So spend time on the practice field with his friends, stay active and enjoy the camaraderie of it all.

two boys from Long Island commit today goalie from Express to Loyola and d man from St. Anthonys to Hoyas

Originally Posted by America's Game

two boys from Long Island commit today goalie from Express to Loyola and d man from St. Anthonys to Hoyas

I guess it means two more kids are capable of making their beds on their own so they pass the first test in order to commit

Don't forget the 2020 kid from LI that just committed to PSU

My second son is going to a SUNY school, will have zero debt upon graduation and will be on solid ground. My oldest son attended Cornell, has $110,000+ in student debt and has not found a good job in his chosen field.

Think post-grad people, before allowing or encouraging your son to chase a lacrosse dream. Its foolhardy in most cases.

Debt is caustic.

why isn't Cortland a Div school?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My second son is going to a SUNY school, will have zero debt upon graduation and will be on solid ground. My oldest son attended Cornell, has $110,000+ in student debt and has not found a good job in his chosen field.

Think post-grad people, before allowing or encouraging your son to chase a lacrosse dream. Its foolhardy in most cases.

Debt is caustic.

The SUNY schools are great values, and when it comes to Albany and Stony Brook also very good lacrosse programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My second son is going to a SUNY school, will have zero debt upon graduation and will be on solid ground. My oldest son attended Cornell, has $110,000+ in student debt and has not found a good job in his chosen field.

Think post-grad people, before allowing or encouraging your son to chase a lacrosse dream. Its foolhardy in most cases.

Debt is caustic.

The SUNY schools are great values, and when it comes to Albany and Stony Brook also very good lacrosse programs.

My son was offered a roster spot at a university that would cost $60,000 per year with an offer of $5-8K (few variables). Of course he wanted to commit to the school that very second. My wife and I sat down to discuss the quality of the education, the cost, the coach, the location of the school and the program long term. We came to the conclusion that attending this university would be nice but not at that price tag. I am hearing horror stories from friends who's kids have graduated, have tons of student debt and feel that burden will never be lifted. They are living at home with no light at the end of the tunnel. We made the decision for our son, he's 14 and no kid that young should be left to decide such an important decision. He will wait to see if they offer more (doubt it) or another school would like him to join the team.

Very smart
No reason to take on unnecessary debt
Good luck I am sure it will work out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My second son is going to a SUNY school, will have zero debt upon graduation and will be on solid ground. My oldest son attended Cornell, has $110,000+ in student debt and has not found a good job in his chosen field.

Think post-grad people, before allowing or encouraging your son to chase a lacrosse dream. Its foolhardy in most cases.

Debt is caustic.

The SUNY schools are great values, and when it comes to Albany and Stony Brook also very good lacrosse programs.

My son was offered a roster spot at a university that would cost $60,000 per year with an offer of $5-8K (few variables). Of course he wanted to commit to the school that very second. My wife and I sat down to discuss the quality of the education, the cost, the coach, the location of the school and the program long term. We came to the conclusion that attending this university would be nice but not at that price tag. I am hearing horror stories from friends who's kids have graduated, have tons of student debt and feel that burden will never be lifted. They are living at home with no light at the end of the tunnel. We made the decision for our son, he's 14 and no kid that young should be left to decide such an important decision. He will wait to see if they offer more (doubt it) or another school would like him to join the team.

Another person with a good head on their shoulders, it is the kiss of death for a "kid" to graduate college with a ton of debt. Choosing a college is such a HUGH decision and one that has so many facets: number 1 the education you want and after that size, location, cost, sports teams (how important is it for them to play, do they want to compete for a National Championship, or just be on any team?). I really do not like when other people (this site is full of them) question the decision an individual kid/family makes. what one person may think is a "must have" may be way down on someone else's priority list. Let's face it, we all want what is best for our kids and it is OK, that one family thinks something else is important and you don't.

So if you were offered a partial at Duke, Hopkins or Virginia do you not take on that student debt? Is the alumni support into certain business fields post grad worth the financial stretch?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if you were offered a partial at Duke, Hopkins or Virginia do you not take on that student debt? Is the alumni support into certain business fields post grad worth the financial stretch?

We turned down offers from Duke, Hopkins and Georgetown. They were only offering 20% of tuition. Eventually my son committed with a 100% of tuition to a great top 50 school. Will still come out owing about 20k, which is reasonable. At Duke the debt would have been about 200k. The school he decided on has a top business program, seemed like the best way to go, no regrets!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if you were offered a partial at Duke, Hopkins or Virginia do you not take on that student debt? Is the alumni support into certain business fields post grad worth the financial stretch?

Here we go again, do you not understand that not every kid in this country wants to go to Duke, Hpokins or UVA. If your kid wants to, then have at it, but stop with the "if they don't go here or there" they will never be successful. There are plenty of very successful people that went to state schools and plenty of people barely making ends meet that went Ivey. Each person will make the decision as to what is best for them. Who are you to question it?

I was asking a question if people thought it was worth the financial stretch and if people believed there was value in making that financial commitment. I don't know.

I wasn't dissing any other schools or people making their own choices. Have we list all civility on this board?

N= just a few, but I have several good and pretty close friends who played at UVA. One was a team captain who get in with a 980 on the two main sections of the SAT and is now living in his parent's basement.

I know others who are working as club coaches, reps in the lacrosse business and loving what they are doing. Did they have to go to UVA or an Ivy to coach high school lacrosse or be a summer club coach?

I think one of the fallacies about getting into Holkins, UVA, UNC, less so Duke is while the schools may be good as a student athlete do you have the bandwidth to take advantage of the academic opportunities and in some cases the coaches will flat out tell you, don't plan on majoring in this or that.

Now there are grads from those schools doing great things as well and they are great opportunites, but many don't or are not able to take advantage of landing at an elite academic school.

Team Canada U19 Men's Team Announced - 11 EDGE Alumni Selected!
03/23/2016, 10:00am EDT
By AT
The Canadian Lacrosse Association recently announced the roster for the U19 Men's Field Team that will represent Canada at the upcoming U19 Federation of International Lacrosse (FIL) U19 Men's Lacrosse World Championship that takes place July 7-16 in Coquitlam, BC.

Over 200 players from across Canada applied for the opportunity to attend the tryout and evalatuion camp. The coaching staff used a series of evaluation tools, game videos, and research to trim down the group to 63 invitees to the training camp at IMG Academy.

Congrats to all 24 players selected on this incredible opportunity to represent Canada at the World Championships! Of the 24 players selected, 11 have participated with EDGE and have earned scholarships to NCAA programs. We will be featuring each player leading up to the World Championships, so check back each week for updates!

Mathieu Boissennault Defense Whitby (ON)
Caehlahn Bullen Goal Calgary (AB)
Riley Curtis Midfield Brampton (ON) EDGE 2017
Jonathan Donville Midfield Oakville (ON) EDGE 2017
Dalton Follows Midfield Oakville (ON) EDGE 2016
Ben French Attack Brampton (ON) EDGE 2015
Kyle Hebert Goal Burlington (ON) EDGE 2017
Jeffrey Henrick Defense Orangeville (ON)
Mackenzie Iacocca Midfield Guelph (ON) EDGE 2017
Justin Inacio FO Oakville (ON) EDGE 2017
Matthew Kim FO Oakville (ON)
Marshall King Midfield Victoria (BC)
Kyle Kolwich Defense Oakville (ON) EDGE 2017
Ryan Lanchbury Attack Burlington (ON)
Tre Leclaire Midfield Surrey (BC)
Clarke Petterson Midfield Mimico (ON) EDGE 2015
Drake Porter Goal Aurora (ON) EDGE 2017
Ryland Rees Defense Port Coquitlam (BC)
Thomas Semple Attack Coquitlam (BC)
Robert Stovel Defense Fergus (ON)
Jackson Suboch Defense Mimico (ON) EDGE 2016
Jeff Teat Attack Brampton (ON)
John Wagner Midfield St. Davids (ON)
Ethan Walker Attack Peterborough (ON)
holiday here today and I have been reading all the whining around edge lacrosse. Here's aa age based tourney that several former Edge players are playing in.

lots play for the Toronto based Hill Academy. I believe they are the #1 rated High School team in the world

And the beauty of u19 is that it is age based and cuts out all of those older no good cheating reclassed Canadians!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team Canada U19 Men's Team Announced - 11 EDGE Alumni Selected!
03/23/2016, 10:00am EDT
By AT
The Canadian Lacrosse Association recently announced the roster for the U19 Men's Field Team that will represent Canada at the upcoming U19 Federation of International Lacrosse (FIL) U19 Men's Lacrosse World Championship that takes place July 7-16 in Coquitlam, BC.

Over 200 players from across Canada applied for the opportunity to attend the tryout and evalatuion camp. The coaching staff used a series of evaluation tools, game videos, and research to trim down the group to 63 invitees to the training camp at IMG Academy.

Congrats to all 24 players selected on this incredible opportunity to represent Canada at the World Championships! Of the 24 players selected, 11 have participated with EDGE and have earned scholarships to NCAA programs. We will be featuring each player leading up to the World Championships, so check back each week for updates!

Mathieu Boissennault Defense Whitby (ON)
Caehlahn Bullen Goal Calgary (AB)
Riley Curtis Midfield Brampton (ON) EDGE 2017
Jonathan Donville Midfield Oakville (ON) EDGE 2017
Dalton Follows Midfield Oakville (ON) EDGE 2016
Ben French Attack Brampton (ON) EDGE 2015
Kyle Hebert Goal Burlington (ON) EDGE 2017
Jeffrey Henrick Defense Orangeville (ON)
Mackenzie Iacocca Midfield Guelph (ON) EDGE 2017
Justin Inacio FO Oakville (ON) EDGE 2017
Matthew Kim FO Oakville (ON)
Marshall King Midfield Victoria (BC)
Kyle Kolwich Defense Oakville (ON) EDGE 2017
Ryan Lanchbury Attack Burlington (ON)
Tre Leclaire Midfield Surrey (BC)
Clarke Petterson Midfield Mimico (ON) EDGE 2015
Drake Porter Goal Aurora (ON) EDGE 2017
Ryland Rees Defense Port Coquitlam (BC)
Thomas Semple Attack Coquitlam (BC)
Robert Stovel Defense Fergus (ON)
Jackson Suboch Defense Mimico (ON) EDGE 2016
Jeff Teat Attack Brampton (ON)
John Wagner Midfield St. Davids (ON)
Ethan Walker Attack Peterborough (ON)
holiday here today and I have been reading all the whining around edge lacrosse. Here's aa age based tourney that several former Edge players are playing in.

until you give DOB for each, this means nothing. Would love to congratulate the 2017 for the honor but need to see the DOB's. To me 2017 on a U19 team means what he's not 20... He shouldn't be, he shouldn't be 18 yet he should be turning or just turned 17.

Now if the u19 beats all other U19's so be it, but don't tell me the 2017 Edge team is the best when they may have older kids on it.. apples to oranges.

cant wait to see DOB's

you don't think they check DOB at the World U19 tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you don't think they check DOB at the World U19 tournament?

Read slowly... That many 2017's made the team? Because they're better than all the 2015's? No they're the same age as the 2015's that made it. And most of your 2015's are way too old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lots play for the Toronto based Hill Academy. I believe they are the #1 rated High School team in the world

And the oldest too.

there's always an excuse. So u-19 is apples to apples nobody just disagree with that. Heard Edge was invited into the NLF so I guess it doesn't bother those teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And the beauty of u19 is that it is age based and cuts out all of those older no good cheating reclassed Canadians!!!!

The bacon is impairing your brain. How old should Grad year 2017 kids be? Not 18, I assure you. They are ALL holdbacks. This is a great format (age based) that levels the playing field but exposes the need for Canadian kids to be held back one or two years. Pathetic really, so why push out your chest. "Our kids are inferior so they need to have a one or two year age advantage to compete in the US..." How thick headed are you man?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And the beauty of u19 is that it is age based and cuts out all of those older no good cheating reclassed Canadians!!!!

You are correct, it does filter out the reclassed kids. Look at the roster...Why so many 2017's on the team? Because they are 18 and qualify. The vast majority of your 2015's do not qualify because they are too old.

You Canadians really are thick headed.

No point getting racial. Edge doesn't have a 2015 or 2016 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No point getting racial. Edge doesn't have a 2015 or 2016 team

There arnt many 2015 or 2016 teams. Whats your point.

The point made here was 2017 Edge players who are allegedly of the age of an older grad year not 2017. Who knows, me no. Only DOB's on the roster will prove that. Makes for a controversial conversation.

The only thing that can be said is there will be a champ for the u19 grouping.

(Cut off DOB July 7th 1996 Sophomores or older Freshman in College not HS).

Without DOB's noone knows what true grad year these boys should be associated with. And what with a July 7th cutoff?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No point getting racial. Edge doesn't have a 2015 or 2016 team

racial? really.

And once again we are back to the only ones with reclassed kids are Canadians. At least the Hill openly calls their oldest PGS and doesn't hide it like the MIAA, NE West and everywhere else with their middle school reclass nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And once again we are back to the only ones with reclassed kids are Canadians. At least the Hill openly calls their oldest PGS and doesn't hide it like the MIAA, NE West and everywhere else with their middle school reclass nonsense.

The only place reclassing is done systemically certainly is Canada. Edge Lacrosse....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And once again we are back to the only ones with reclassed kids are Canadians. At least the Hill openly calls their oldest PGS and doesn't hide it like the MIAA, NE West and everywhere else with their middle school reclass nonsense.

NE West Prep schools are pretty open about the fact that they accept and have PGs on their roster, thats why they pretty much only p;lay other prep schools, I dont understand your beef here.......

Did anyone else get an email today from their son's future college coach about the summer committed league? I think it is going to be great for him to play with his future teammates rather than spending a bunch of money for him to play his old club. From the email, all the ACC teams and most of the Ivies are in.

Also the quality of play will be so much higher without the younger uncommitted kids out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone else get an email today from their son's future college coach about the summer committed league? I think it is going to be great for him to play with his future teammates rather than spending a bunch of money for him to play his old club. From the email, all the ACC teams and most of the Ivies are in.

Also the quality of play will be so much higher without the younger uncommitted kids out there.

Is this a "contact period" for high school underclassmen? Pretty cool idea and creates room on the travel club teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone else get an email today from their son's future college coach about the summer committed league? I think it is going to be great for him to play with his future teammates rather than spending a bunch of money for him to play his old club. From the email, all the ACC teams and most of the Ivies are in.

Also the quality of play will be so much higher without the younger uncommitted kids out there.

Wondering how they are getting around the no contact rules with this one. They are allowed to contact 16's and 17's but no contact is allowed with 18's or 19's other than prospect day invites and such. Interesting....I always have been of the opinion that once a kid verbals he should be able to communicate with his future coaching staff freely, not sure why this hasnt been done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone else get an email today from their son's future college coach about the summer committed league? I think it is going to be great for him to play with his future teammates rather than spending a bunch of money for him to play his old club. From the email, all the ACC teams and most of the Ivies are in.

Also the quality of play will be so much higher without the younger uncommitted kids out there.

Is this a "contact period" for high school underclassmen? Pretty cool idea and creates room on the travel club teams.

NCAA would frown on direct contact with recruits or commits - there is no contact period until much later for any 2019s

I've mentioned before that Penn was done recruiting their 2019's and most people laughed. Check out Ty's tweet from last nights LI game. Names a 2019 Penn commit. Why isn't he listed under Recruiting Rundown?

Rhetorical question, parents there is more than meets the eye with lists, websites and accolades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've mentioned before that Penn was done recruiting their 2019's and most people laughed. Check out Ty's tweet from last nights LI game. Names a 2019 Penn commit. Why isn't he listed under Recruiting Rundown?

Rhetorical question, parents there is more than meets the eye with lists, websites and accolades.

Very true many teams such as ND and duke also have most of their 2019 class full

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've mentioned before that Penn was done recruiting their 2019's and most people laughed. Check out Ty's tweet from last nights LI game. Names a 2019 Penn commit. Why isn't he listed under Recruiting Rundown?

Rhetorical question, parents there is more than meets the eye with lists, websites and accolades.

For starters, I am sure that express team has more than are officially announced.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've mentioned before that Penn was done recruiting their 2019's and most people laughed. Check out Ty's tweet from last nights LI game. Names a 2019 Penn commit. Why isn't he listed under Recruiting Rundown?

Rhetorical question, parents there is more than meets the eye with lists, websites and accolades.

For starters, I am sure that express team has more than are officially announced.

Other than Recruiting Rundown, where are commitments posted?

These colleges are missing out on many real good players from other clubs. Parity will continue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These colleges are missing out on many real good players from other clubs. Parity will continue.

And this is bad because..........

No it's good. I'm against early recruiting. The kids who are getting the commitments now are the physically matured ones. Many kids will catch and or surpass many of these so called studs. Seen it many times in my coaching and playing career. And it sucks my son is one of those late bloomers. Only 5'4" 125lbs at 15. But will get passed over until he grows which might be too late. Dr. Said he should be 5'9" 5'10" but might not get there till he is 17.

I am not for the watered down version of early recruiting. Many "Selected/Chosen" players are not as good as some on not on the "watch" lists. While there are some rare exception, Penn State in my opinion got the real deal. Some others not even publicized but with "agreements" are head scratchers.

I do see it helping some other schools in the NE. Many want that warmer temp but an opportunity at a good school with the opportunity to put a school on the map with some great young coaching. Manhattan, Fairfield, Hartford, Marist, Providence, Towson, Drexel, Siena and Monmouth come top of mind.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone else get an email today from their son's future college coach about the summer committed league? I think it is going to be great for him to play with his future teammates rather than spending a bunch of money for him to play his old club. From the email, all the ACC teams and most of the Ivies are in.

Also the quality of play will be so much higher without the younger uncommitted kids out there.

That's the best thing..feed more money into their hands . How stupid can one be. Why keep playing anywhere if they committed. Oh that's right they now have become puppets to the schools 4 years before playing. Some of these are top schools and we would look like dumb parents if we did it. I for one will not fall into this trap. Don't be a fool. You are putting your kids future on the line. If he fails here you will
Quickly lose that verbal somehow. That's why they are doing it. How naive can one be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone else get an email today from their son's future college coach about the summer committed league? I think it is going to be great for him to play with his future teammates rather than spending a bunch of money for him to play his old club. From the email, all the ACC teams and most of the Ivies are in.

Also the quality of play will be so much higher without the younger uncommitted kids out there.

That's the best thing..feed more money into their hands . How stupid can one be. Why keep playing anywhere if they committed. Oh that's right they now have become puppets to the schools 4 years before playing. Some of these are top schools and we would look like dumb parents if we did it. I for one will not fall into this trap. Don't be a fool. You are putting your kids future on the line. If he fails here you will
Quickly lose that verbal somehow. That's why they are doing it. How naive can one be.

Obviously you have never played a competitive sport in your life or have any idea how the recruiting process actually works. This has nothing to do with money and Im going to venture a guess that the schools are going to be voiding verbals for kids participating in this based on their performance. Relax and take your meds itll be ok........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone else get an email today from their son's future college coach about the summer committed league? I think it is going to be great for him to play with his future teammates rather than spending a bunch of money for him to play his old club. From the email, all the ACC teams and most of the Ivies are in.

Also the quality of play will be so much higher without the younger uncommitted kids out there.

That's the best thing..feed more money into their hands . How stupid can one be. Why keep playing anywhere if they committed. Oh that's right they now have become puppets to the schools 4 years before playing. Some of these are top schools and we would look like dumb parents if we did it. I for one will not fall into this trap. Don't be a fool. You are putting your kids future on the line. If he fails here you will
Quickly lose that verbal somehow. That's why they are doing it. How naive can one be.

Obviously you have never played a competitive sport in your life or have any idea how the recruiting process actually works. This has nothing to do with money and Im going to venture a guess that the schools are going to be voiding verbals for kids participating in this based on their performance. Relax and take your meds itll be ok........

Correction: ARENT going to be voiding verbals.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone else get an email today from their son's future college coach about the summer committed league? I think it is going to be great for him to play with his future teammates rather than spending a bunch of money for him to play his old club. From the email, all the ACC teams and most of the Ivies are in.

Also the quality of play will be so much higher without the younger uncommitted kids out there.

That's the best thing..feed more money into their hands . How stupid can one be. Why keep playing anywhere if they committed. Oh that's right they now have become puppets to the schools 4 years before playing. Some of these are top schools and we would look like dumb parents if we did it. I for one will not fall into this trap. Don't be a fool. You are putting your kids future on the line. If he fails here you will
Quickly lose that verbal somehow. That's why they are doing it. How naive can one be.

Obviously you have never played a competitive sport in your life or have any idea how the recruiting process actually works. This has nothing to do with money and Im going to venture a guess that the schools are going to be voiding verbals for kids participating in this based on their performance. Relax and take your meds itll be ok........

Correction: ARENT going to be voiding verbals.....

They want to start Coaching the kids. Keep in mind many of these kids come from programs where the HS Coaching is a bit suspect at best. The college coaches want the opportunity to mold the players in their style of play. Teach them how to play the game the right way. Easier to mold a 15-16 year old than it is a College Kid. Why does everyone immediately think there's a sinister motive? Further, if one of these schools starts dropping commits, how many new commits from top players coming up will they get? Believe me, the power is in the players hands once they commit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone else get an email today from their son's future college coach about the summer committed league? I think it is going to be great for him to play with his future teammates rather than spending a bunch of money for him to play his old club. From the email, all the ACC teams and most of the Ivies are in.

Also the quality of play will be so much higher without the younger uncommitted kids out there.

That's the best thing..feed more money into their hands . How stupid can one be. Why keep playing anywhere if they committed. Oh that's right they now have become puppets to the schools 4 years before playing. Some of these are top schools and we would look like dumb parents if we did it. I for one will not fall into this trap. Don't be a fool. You are putting your kids future on the line. If he fails here you will
Quickly lose that verbal somehow. That's why they are doing it. How naive can one be.

Obviously you have never played a competitive sport in your life or have any idea how the recruiting process actually works. This has nothing to do with money and Im going to venture a guess that the schools are going to be voiding verbals for kids participating in this based on their performance. Relax and take your meds itll be ok........

Correction: ARENT going to be voiding verbals.....

They want to start Coaching the kids. Keep in mind many of these kids come from programs where the HS Coaching is a bit suspect at best. The college coaches want the opportunity to mold the players in their style of play. Teach them how to play the game the right way. Easier to mold a 15-16 year old than it is a College Kid. Why does everyone immediately think there's a sinister motive? Further, if one of these schools starts dropping commits, how many new commits from top players coming up will they get? Believe me, the power is in the players hands once they commit.

So it's free for these kids . Then it's a great idea.. Save the parents all this money why wouldn't you do it. College coaches no charge it's a home run , whoever came up with this idea is a genius and thanks to the college coaches willing to give back for free to help coach their future players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone else get an email today from their son's future college coach about the summer committed league? I think it is going to be great for him to play with his future teammates rather than spending a bunch of money for him to play his old club. From the email, all the ACC teams and most of the Ivies are in.

Also the quality of play will be so much higher without the younger uncommitted kids out there.

That's the best thing..feed more money into their hands . How stupid can one be. Why keep playing anywhere if they committed. Oh that's right they now have become puppets to the schools 4 years before playing. Some of these are top schools and we would look like dumb parents if we did it. I for one will not fall into this trap. Don't be a fool. You are putting your kids future on the line. If he fails here you will
Quickly lose that verbal somehow. That's why they are doing it. How naive can one be.

Obviously you have never played a competitive sport in your life or have any idea how the recruiting process actually works. This has nothing to do with money and Im going to venture a guess that the schools are going to be voiding verbals for kids participating in this based on their performance. Relax and take your meds itll be ok........

Correction: ARENT going to be voiding verbals.....

They want to start Coaching the kids. Keep in mind many of these kids come from programs where the HS Coaching is a bit suspect at best. The college coaches want the opportunity to mold the players in their style of play. Teach them how to play the game the right way. Easier to mold a 15-16 year old than it is a College Kid. Why does everyone immediately think there's a sinister motive? Further, if one of these schools starts dropping commits, how many new commits from top players coming up will they get? Believe me, the power is in the players hands once they commit.

So it's free for these kids . Then it's a great idea.. Save the parents all this money why wouldn't you do it. College coaches no charge it's a home run , whoever came up with this idea is a genius and thanks to the college coaches willing to give back for free to help coach their future players

You think this will be free? Wow, you must have dropped in from another planet.

Where is this? Who coaches, pays for field space, refs, lacrosse balls? Travel there? Hotel? Suddenly does every kid get to the field by teleport? If it is on LI, what does a NJ kid do.

It will cost you, you can bet on that.

Any 2019 news? Commits? JV news... anything...anywhere....Bueller...anyone...Bueller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any 2019 news? Commits? JV news... anything...anywhere....Bueller...anyone...Bueller

its HS lax season and the NCAA lacrosse season is still going on so typically kids arent committing around this time. Summer and fall are usually busy with commits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any 2019 news? Commits? JV news... anything...anywhere....Bueller...anyone...Bueller

its HS lax season and the NCAA lacrosse season is still going on so typically kids arent committing around this time. Summer and fall are usually busy with commits.

2019 that year is so 2015 dude, we are in 2016 and are moving on to 2020.

Better reclass now mom and dad, junior is getting skipped over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any 2019 news? Commits? JV news... anything...anywhere....Bueller...anyone...Bueller

its HS lax season and the NCAA lacrosse season is still going on so typically kids arent committing around this time. Summer and fall are usually busy with commits.

2019 that year is so 2015 dude, we are in 2016 and are moving on to 2020.

Better reclass now mom and dad, junior is getting skipped over.

Well said! Thanks for giving me a chuckle

There will be a ton by end of summer. My prediction is over 200 by September.

more than that...we are approaching 100 now!

What are the top 5 teams for 2019 on LI?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the top 5 teams for 2019 on LI?

Don't know who top teams are but I can tell you that Team Revolution is no joke and will shock all this weekend.Between them and LI Express second team you will see.You heard it here first.Both teams very good and I would be suprised if they don't meet in the finals on Sunday. Express 2nd team just below their Top team but don't get the credit they deserve nor the exposure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the top 5 teams for 2019 on LI?

Don't know who top teams are but I can tell you that Team Revolution is no joke and will shock all this weekend.Between them and LI Express second team you will see.You heard it here first.Both teams very good and I would be suprised if they don't meet in the finals on Sunday. Express 2nd team just below their Top team but don't get the credit they deserve nor the exposure.

No order I would put both orange and white teams, express top 2 teams, Revolution is an up and coming team, then a toss up between For the love of the game and all grays

R u kidding me ? I watched their A team this weekend . I saw too many bad passes over heads , poor dodging , and not so good shooting. FOgO was pretty good. Calm down , you played A- teams and didn't look any better then them. Your about 2 years too late for the " top team on LI " cause nobody cares about that anymore .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the top 5 teams for 2019 on LI?

Don't know who top teams are but I can tell you that Team Revolution is no joke and will shock all this weekend.Between them and LI Express second team you will see.You heard it here first.Both teams very good and I would be suprised if they don't meet in the finals on Sunday. Express 2nd team just below their Top team but don't get the credit they deserve nor the exposure.

No order I would put both orange and white teams, express top 2 teams, Revolution is an up and coming team, then a toss up between For the love of the game and all grays

So how was the game between Revolution and fl$ this weekend?

BTW, no need for who is top 5 anymore guys, we arent in 6th grade anymore. Many of the boys are friends and boys from all those teams maybe picked up in due time. Heck two teams not mentioned will have boys recruited soon. Enjoy the ride for what is left. Have fun Friday!

Revo and who? fl$? NJLC or 91 Tristate? All games went well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the top 5 teams for 2019 on LI?

Don't know who top teams are but I can tell you that Team Revolution is no joke and will shock all this weekend.Between them and LI Express second team you will see.You heard it here first.Both teams very good and I would be suprised if they don't meet in the finals on Sunday. Express 2nd team just below their Top team but don't get the credit they deserve nor the exposure.

No order I would put both orange and white teams, express top 2 teams, Revolution is an up and coming team, then a toss up between For the love of the game and all grays

Revolution up and coming team?? What do wait till they are in college and call them
A good club team. 91 Orange is tops. The white is ok but not a top team at all and only one express team .. Let's not go overboard on this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

R u kidding me ? I watched their A team this weekend . I saw too many bad passes over heads , poor dodging , and not so good shooting. FOgO was pretty good. Calm down , you played A- teams and didn't look any better then them. Your about 2 years too late for the " top team on LI " cause nobody cares about that anymore .

Your wrong Revolution is very good ,probably just under 91 Orange. Relax not saying they are there but pretty close to it.You will see what happens this weekend and say I guess you were right

I agree, a lot of great players on some of the other programs that will get recruited before some of the top program players. Its all about the boys developing and gaining confidence.

Revolution won the game 6-2

Where is Revolution playing this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Revo and who? fl$? NJLC or 91 Tristate? All games went well.

4 Love?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

R u kidding me ? I watched their A team this weekend . I saw too many bad passes over heads , poor dodging , and not so good shooting. FOgO was pretty good. Calm down , you played A- teams and didn't look any better then them. Your about 2 years too late for the " top team on LI " cause nobody cares about that anymore .

Your wrong Revolution is very good ,probably just under 91 Orange. Relax not saying they are there but pretty close to it.You will see what happens this weekend and say I guess you were right

I hate that I bite on tis every time.

Why wake a sleeping dog.

Revolution will not beat 2019 0range 2020 Crush. Will not beat Express top team maybe but I don't think they can beat the 2nd team.

The second tier teams are not so second tier anymore I will agree.

Put together a summer series together on a week day when everyone is home at catiague

Orange xci
White xci
Express i
Express ii
All Greys
Outlaws
Revolution
4 love.
Crush
Express 2020
Legacy 2020

If a team cant make it call Empire, Blue fish or The Ducks as fillers or even Express North and Prime time.

Enough with this.stop saying team will beat that team
Like the man said let the dog sleep. Plenty of haters for all teams.
How bout them tar heels

Originally Posted by Anonymous

R u kidding me ? I watched their A team this weekend . I saw too many bad passes over heads , poor dodging , and not so good shooting. FOgO was pretty good. Calm down , you played A- teams and didn't look any better then them. Your about 2 years too late for the " top team on LI " cause nobody cares about that anymore .

Your wrong Revolution is very good ,probably just under 91 Orange. Relax not saying they are there but pretty close to it.You will see what happens this weekend and say I guess you were right

Just under Orange ??? Are u kidding ? Orange wins that game by a dozen plus.

Revolution played well as a team and took advantage of every weakness and mistake Express made...Too many penalties and inability to clear in second half of the game doomed Express...Unselfishness and great teamwork paid off in a nice win for Revolution...

You played B teams that nobody cares about. Calm down.

Lol - But they were unselfish and had great teamwork

you lost to teams nobody cares about so be a grown up and let's us enjoy our success while it lasts. That being said best wishes and good luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you lost to teams nobody cares about so be a grown up and let's us enjoy our success while it lasts. That being said best wishes and good luck!

Maybe a lot of these teams have kids who don't want to fall into a trap of trying to buy there way onto a so clalled a AAAA team. I guess that express AAAA team had a tough weekend again. At least they are playing some real good teams but struggling against most and can't get the full roster of kids into games due to score. That's where I want my son to be. In sure some kids sucked up enough H get on the top team, but in games you can see they don't really belong.

Dad's money buys a lot!!!

Trust me , no one is buying their way on a 2019 team anymore. Maybe 2/3 years ago. Not when the sidelines of the AA teams are lined with college coaches. How many did u see at Laxfest ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trust me , no one is buying their way on a 2019 team anymore. Maybe 2/3 years ago. Not when the sidelines of the AA teams are lined with college coaches. How many did u see at Laxfest ?

Then you didn't see the roster yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trust me , no one is buying their way on a 2019 team anymore. Maybe 2/3 years ago. Not when the sidelines of the AA teams are lined with college coaches. How many did u see at Laxfest ?

Then you didn't see the roster yet.

Talking two different things, but if you think people aren't buying there way onto things. Then your naive

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trust me , no one is buying their way on a 2019 team anymore. Maybe 2/3 years ago. Not when the sidelines of the AA teams are lined with college coaches. How many did u see at Laxfest ?

Then you didn't see the roster yet.

Talking two different things, but if you think people aren't buying there way onto things. Then your naive

You bet they are buying their way on . Without a doubt there are kids on express that don't belong on that team and its the reason they are having so much trouble. It use to be the elite team on LI. Now it's good but no where near what they once were.sorry. It goes on everywhere so don't think your alone. Even at the lower A schools and that is where it is being taken advantage of more so. The better A teams will find the weakness and beat them every time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trust me , no one is buying their way on a 2019 team anymore. Maybe 2/3 years ago. Not when the sidelines of the AA teams are lined with college coaches. How many did u see at Laxfest ?

Then you didn't see the roster yet.

Talking two different things, but if you think people aren't buying there way onto things. Then your naive

You bet they are buying their way on . Without a doubt there are kids on express that don't belong on that team and its the reason they are having so much trouble. It use to be the elite team on LI. Now it's good but no where near what they once were.sorry. It goes on everywhere so don't think your alone. Even at the lower A schools and that is where it is being taken advantage of more so. The better A teams will find the weakness and beat them every time

Under Armour tryout had 3 can't miss middies. 2 from SA and 1 from Massapequa then the rest, What happened there? Roster has at least 2 kids that didnt even show up. How?

I am sure we all think our son should have made the team but those that know are sick of it and throw their hands up. You may be able to buy much, but respect dad can't be bought, why do you put a target on your son. I hope the coaches protect him from that pole from Ohio.

Actually 2 kids from Massapequa got screwed. The Attack and the middie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually 2 kids from Massapequa got screwed. The Attack and the middie.

Rules said you had to show to move on or be considered, conflict or not, no exceptions. Giving spots to those who don't show? If I were a 2019 attackman I would ask for a refund.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you don't think they check DOB at the World U19 tournament?

Read slowly... That many 2017's made the team? Because they're better than all the 2015's? No they're the same age as the 2015's that made it. And most of your 2015's are way too old.

Any kids on Edge 2017 are born in the 1998.

Where are the top US club programs DOB listed? How old are the Crabs 2017s?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually 2 kids from Massapequa got screwed. The Attack and the middie.

Rules said you had to show to move on or be considered, conflict or not, no exceptions. Giving spots to those who don't show? If I were a 2019 attackman I would ask for a refund.

Not sure I read where it said you had to "show", my email said you needed to be registered and checked in the first night, never said the player had to be in person or play the first day.

Rules or not, 5 or 6 attack or not, Middie from 'pequa got screwed more than any attackman. Middie was one of the best players on the field. I also believe there was a Middie no show as well. Wonder how many "no shows" of both days actually made the team.

Of attack that showed at least 1 day, the next best 3 attackmen (4?/5/6) didn't necessarily differentiate themselves as 4?, 5 or 6, but were hands down better at the tryout than the "no show" and "another".

A post on the HS blog stated why even show up if things are pre determined, I am not sure if things are predetermined or not but don't let this get you down.

There is always the uncommitted games. All hope is not lost, just because there are obstacles and things you do not see eye to eye never give up. It is not how you fall but how you rise up!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually 2 kids from Massapequa got screwed. The Attack and the middie.

Rules said you had to show to move on or be considered, conflict or not, no exceptions. Giving spots to those who don't show? If I were a 2019 attackman I would ask for a refund.

The main page for UA says "Players selected to the 22 player roster must have registered and checked in on the first day of the tryout. No exceptions." And then if you do some searching (and call the organizers who tell you where to look buried in the FAQs) you find " Player must submit and official letter documenting excuse for missing to lacrosse@corrigansports.com at least one week before tryout. All requests will be reviewed and Player may be granted special permission and instruction to check in on day two of the tryout." So there no exceptions except for the exceptions. Or you can parse words and "check in" to get your pinnie and then head to the All County Dinner with plenty of time to spare.

just checked uncomit game list. There is no mass middie listed? Found 3 express ? whats up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually 2 kids from Massapequa got screwed. The Attack and the middie.

Rules said you had to show to move on or be considered, conflict or not, no exceptions. Giving spots to those who don't show? If I were a 2019 attackman I would ask for a refund.

The main page for UA says "Players selected to the 22 player roster must have registered and checked in on the first day of the tryout. No exceptions." And then if you do some searching (and call the organizers who tell you where to look buried in the FAQs) you find " Player must submit and official letter documenting excuse for missing to lacrosse@corrigansports.com at least one week before tryout. All requests will be reviewed and Player may be granted special permission and instruction to check in on day two of the tryout." So there no exceptions except for the exceptions. Or you can parse words and "check in" to get your pinnie and then head to the All County Dinner with plenty of time to spare.

Am I correct in saying half the team is from the Catholic league? A little odd . Almost like Nassau team having half the kids from GC and Massapequa..which is worse???? I love the system

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just checked uncomit game list. There is no mass middie listed? Found 3 express ? whats up?

I agree, it is a shame that Massapequa kid didn't get a look here. I too thought he was one of the best on the field. Maybe he is committed. who knows, maybe thats why he isnt list on uncommitted team. Stranger things have been known to happen.

As far as 2019 middies, I only see 1 exprees & 1 4 Love, and a 91 Golaie. Only 3 from LI out of the 40 on the uncommitted?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just checked uncomit game list. There is no mass middie listed? Found 3 express ? whats up?

I agree, it is a shame that Massapequa kid didn't get a look here. I too thought he was one of the best on the field. Maybe he is committed. who knows, maybe thats why he isnt list on uncommitted team. Stranger things have been known to happen.

As far as 2019 middies, I only see 1 exprees & 1 4 Love, and a 91 Golaie. Only 3 from LI out of the 40 on the uncommitted?

I heard they thought the size wasn't there so they needed the others ..Every team is different

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just checked uncomit game list. There is no mass middie listed? Found 3 express ? whats up?

I agree, it is a shame that Massapequa kid didn't get a look here. I too thought he was one of the best on the field. Maybe he is committed. who knows, maybe thats why he isnt list on uncommitted team. Stranger things have been known to happen.

As far as 2019 middies, I only see 1 exprees & 1 4 Love, and a 91 Golaie. Only 3 from LI out of the 40 on the uncommitted?

I heard they thought the size wasn't there so they needed the others ..Every team is different

What please explain, size meaning qty who showed up participated or size as in strength Height of the player.

One of the goalies made team, didn't go to day one of trouts how does that work ? Oh yeah $$$

[quote=Anonymous]One of the goalies made team, didn't go to day one of trouts how does that work ? Oh yeah $$$ [/quote

Goalie made which team???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the goalies made team, didn't go to day one of trouts how does that work ? Oh yeah $$$

I guess it works well... :~} (Sorry, couldn't help myself).

How many of you knew the Tewaaraton trophy was only 15 years old. Pretty interesting, as old as many of our boys. Although some may say it was it the works a few years prior. It was first present in 2001. Some interesting facts you learn during these things.

I love the fact that the under armour uncommitted 2019 team has a kid from Florida with a December 99 birthdate. I find that pathetic. Of course you look good playing against kids that much younger.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trust me , no one is buying their way on a 2019 team anymore. Maybe 2/3 years ago. Not when the sidelines of the AA teams are lined with college coaches. How many did u see at Laxfest ?

The NJ "Evaluators" were directors or coaches of 4 well-known club teams. They supposedly can't nominate their own players, but they sure as [lacrosse] can agree to nominate each others. A shameful conflict of interest, considering that for every kid they get placed on the roster they can charge an extra $300 per head for whole program the following year. The roster is almost evenly divided by kids either from those 4 teams or headed to those teams at some point this month.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trust me , no one is buying their way on a 2019 team anymore. Maybe 2/3 years ago. Not when the sidelines of the AA teams are lined with college coaches. How many did u see at Laxfest ?

The NJ "Evaluators" were directors or coaches of 4 well-known club teams. They supposedly can't nominate their own players, but they sure as [lacrosse] can agree to nominate each others. A shameful conflict of interest, considering that for every kid they get placed on the roster they can charge an extra $300 per head for whole program the following year. The roster is almost evenly divided by kids either from those 4 teams or headed to those teams at some point this month.

This event is a complete waste of time and money if you do not have a coach/sponsor in the evaluator mix

Defines Money Grab. Shamful

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love the fact that the under armour uncommitted 2019 team has a kid from Florida with a December 99 birthdate. I find that pathetic. Of course you look good playing against kids that much younger.

If you look at the listed DOB for all the players in the 2019 uncommitted game, 12 of the 48 would not make the new US Lacrosse age cutoff of September 1st.

One player has a listed DOB of 9/10/99... Meaning he is only 10 days away from missing the date cutoff for 2018s.

No wonder clubs don't want to move to an age based system.

At Crabfeast this weekend, Madlax 2019 will include a 2018 kid who is thinking abut doing a PG year. Not sure, but thinking about it.

Think about that when your team plays Madlax 2019 this weekend.

Hi Guys. Edge Dad here. Just checking in to say hello and wishing all you Long Island dads all the best this summer.

If your team faces Madlax 2019 this weekend, make sure to ask their parents why they have a 2018 kids on their team who is still enrolled in the class of 2018.

Publicly shaming them is the only way to stop this nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your team faces Madlax 2019 this weekend, make sure to ask their parents why they have a 2018 kids on their team who is still enrolled in the class of 2018.

Publicly shaming them is the only way to stop this nonsense.

If they had any sense of shame, do you think they would do it. Nobody cares anymore. There is no integrity, just do what you feel you must to get ahead.

Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Maybe if your son was a better player, you would have the answer too!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Where can I find the list? I need a good laugh.
I googled Jake Reed 2019 and got last years list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Where can I find the list? I need a good laugh.
I googled Jake Reed 2019 and got last years list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Maybe if your son was a better player, you would have the answer too!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Maybe if your son was a better player, you would have the answer too!

JACKASS, I told you my son GOT INVITED ON HOS OWN MERIT.

The epidemic of moronic hater dads living through their kids is sad. This ignorant fool doesn't read what he responds to and feels better about himself after doing so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Where can I find the list? I need a good laugh.
I googled Jake Reed 2019 and got last years list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Maybe if your son was a better player, you would have the answer too!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Maybe if your son was a better player, you would have the answer too!

JACKASS, I told you my son GOT INVITED ON HOS OWN MERIT. [/quot

The same kids get invited to all these things. You would think there were only 100 good lacrosse players out there .Lol..between Ty writing about the same kids after each showcase and the Jake Reed stuff. Maybe Ty can do a little checking around and find the diamond in the rough kids instead of posting things on the same kids over and over. Come up with some new material for us to look at. But that might be asking too much. I guarantee there are plenty of kids out there that are just as good but not on the same 5 or 6 teams he talks about

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Where can I find the list? I need a good laugh.
I googled Jake Reed 2019 and got last years list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Maybe if your son was a better player, you would have the answer too!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Maybe if your son was a better player, you would have the answer too!

JACKA*%, I told you my son GOT INVITED ON HIS OWN MERIT.

The question remains:

Whom did you pay to have your son invited one week prior to the event?

I know plenty of players who tried out who are gifted, play for top clubs, and were not invited after spending $$$$ and time off from school and work. If you let us know who to hand the money over to, I am sure these players would be delighted to pack today to meet your son on the field. They are deserving of a spot also.

Don't give me the Direct Invite BS either. Those went out months ago. I know 2 players who recieved direct invites before Jan.

I am looking forward to your response.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Where can I find the list? I need a good laugh.
I googled Jake Reed 2019 and got last years list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Maybe if your son was a better player, you would have the answer too!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Maybe if your son was a better player, you would have the answer too!

JACKASS, I told you my son GOT INVITED ON HOS OWN MERIT.

You said he didn't get a free pass MORON, so he made it, yippee, but he obviously wasn't in the tier of players who didn't have to bother. It's either because of his ability or your parenting that he didn't get the break.

Based on your dumb post and then your even dumber reaction, I think the spotlight might need to be on you.

PS

If you cant handle the $1,300, don't go.

Watched one of the kids Xanders was touting about, and if this is recruiting film, the competition these top recruits outside of the East coast go against, anybody could look like a super star.

I saw better competition in bottom half of both Nassau Suffolk Conferences

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Where can I find the list? I need a good laugh.
I googled Jake Reed 2019 and got last years list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Maybe if your son was a better player, you would have the answer too!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone please tell me who I should be paying off to get my son a spot at Jake Reed?

This is a serious question.

3 players miraculously got invited to attend next week.

They did not fly to FL, rent a car for 3 days, spend 2-3 days at hotels, meals, beverages and snacks at blue chip,tips for hotel, airport, etc.

The boys never missed a day from school

I, too, am willing to pay in order not to incur the hassle, headache and worry that my son is not going to make it.

3 days easily cost me $1300.

My son does have the peace of mind that he made it on his own merit.

Can anyone, especially the parents of the players who miraculously were granted a spot reply.

Maybe if your son was a better player, you would have the answer too!

JACKASS, I told you my son GOT INVITED ON HOS OWN MERIT.

You said he didn't get a free pass MORON, so he made it, yippee, but he obviously wasn't in the tier of players who didn't have to bother. It's either because of his ability or your parenting that he didn't get the break.

Based on your dumb post and then your even dumber reaction, I think the spotlight might need to be on you.

Jake uses a network of HS and Club coaches to recommend players based upon skill. This isn't a perfect system but many of those direct invites are generated from these referrals.

This isn't waiting in line for concert tickets first come first served. If mr X from 88+3 says I have 3 kids u need to see then they will be invited. If they deserve it who cares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This isn't waiting in line for concert tickets first come first served. If mr X from 88+3 says I have 3 kids u need to see then they will be invited. If they deserve it who cares.

The parents of the players who spent &$$$, took time off from work and missed school.

The wondering/ worrying of your son made the cut--he played well, was told he did well---

All could be avoided if you knew who to payoff.

No way this player/s are superstars who came into their own one week prior to check-in at UMBC.

So please, stop justifying the fact that the Directie was paid off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This isn't waiting in line for concert tickets first come first served. If mr X from 88+3 says I have 3 kids u need to see then they will be invited. If they deserve it who cares.

The parents of the players who spent &$$$, took time off from work and missed school.

The wondering/ worrying of your son made the cut--he played well, was told he did well---

All could be avoided if you knew who to payoff.

No way this player/s are superstars who came into their own one week prior to check-in at UMBC.

So please, stop justifying the fact that the Directie was paid off.

I've been to plenty of showcases where a kid makes the all star team and isn't even at the showcase but was signed up..what does that tell you. Some kids that have already verbally committed ( whatever weight that has) will not be the best at their position for their age come senior year of HS and certainly not college. If you are fortunate enough to be one of the in kids or parents take the money. You can always say you lost interest when your not playing or say it wasn't a good fit. Only the parents are the ones for some reason feel embarrassed.

No one is "paid off". Some kids are just that good. You think Mr X from 91 is going to send an underachiever to JR with his reputation ?? No. The kids who get the automatic invites are the best of the best. Deal with it. Since when is this whole process fair anyway ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one is "paid off". Some kids are just that good. You think Mr X from 91 is going to send an underachiever to JR with his reputation ?? No. The kids who get the automatic invites are the best of the best. Deal with it. Since when is this whole process fair anyway ?

YES, I know Mr C is sending an under achieving attackman to JR. The kid is at my hotel.

He did not go to FL. He is adequate- at best. $$$$$$ talks and MC listens.
I agree, best of the best get direct invite. That was back in February. Not last Friday, 6/23.

No where did o question fairness. I know how that goes.

Once again, I am asking:

Whom do I drop my envelop off to?

That way I do not have to take time off from work dmf my son does not need to miss classes.

He can just want up at registration and pick up his pinney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one is "paid off". Some kids are just that good. You think Mr X from 91 is going to send an underachiever to JR with his reputation ?? No. The kids who get the automatic invites are the best of the best. Deal with it. Since when is this whole process fair anyway ?

YES, I know Mr C is sending an under achieving attackman to JR. The kid is at my hotel.

He did not go to FL. He is adequate- at best. $$$$$$ talks and MC listens.
I agree, best of the best get direct invite. That was back in February. Not last Friday, 6/23.

No where did o question fairness. I know how that goes.

Once again, I am asking:

Whom do I drop my envelop off to?

That way I do not have to take time off from work dmf my son does not need to miss classes.

He can just want up at registration and pick up his pinney.

If your boy was good enough, and if your head was out of your rump so you could get the secret signal, then the guy who takes the $$$$ would let you know.

what I think is funny is so many boys trying to do everything. JR Maverick UA Brine camps tournaments. Re-lax, slow it down. You cant do it all. Although some may have gotten the pass to JR and Maverick I do think many were missed some sure but not many.

Stop the madness, thank God for the Black-Out period for the holiday. This will at least let some stay at home and enjoy the holiday. Great beach weekend, enjoy the beach with your friends or even ride a bike and get lost around town!

Best response I heard from a coach in preparation for next year was to have fun and enjoy the summer! Watching the 2018's and 2017's play I think they are burned out and less interested.

Yes, stop traveling (or occupying) every weekend. They need decompress time.

My son is a 2019 and having good conversations with several schools that he is interested in attending as are many of his teammates. He played a full HS season and had little to no break before Club ball started. He said no to JR and the rest of the showcases because he is playing in 5 tourneys this summer with his HS and Club teams. Nearly all of his teammates are doing the same thing. They need breaks from playing and my wallet needs a break from fees, hotels and restaurants. I can see doing the summer showcases if you live in a non hotbed area but we live in the DC area. The same coaches at JR, Black Card and Showtime are at Big 4, Crabfeast, NHSLS, ect. The lacrosse is better at the tournaments than it is at the showcases too.

what is the normal process for these conversations? is it through the coach? serious question, just wondering how it goes down

Spoken by the parent/s of players who are are not the ones making the cut. As for the poster who turned down: Blackcard,JR,UA, Showtime I say you are not truthful.

Even 91 & Express top commits in 2019 & 2018 are going to one of the aforementioned.

Enjoy your family this summer and I will enjoy mine.

Best of luck to your son. My son loves this game and is playing and having fun.

Does anyone have any experience with the Fab Frosh showcase in CT held the end of July?

a coach from the staff will reach out to your club and/or high school coach. They will either tell him they are going to keep looking at your boy but are interested, and want to learn a little more about him, or they may give the club/HS coach their phone number and ask your son to call him and talk about the potential of being a student athlete at the respective school. After some conversations,they may set up an unofficial visit. it usually doesn't progress to official visits by the pure definition of the term with lacrosse recruits but you may be asked to stay overnight. we let our son do the talking unless it was logistical stuff like visits, timing, etc. In our experience the coaches wanted to talk to the recruit and not so much the parents, but you have every right to ask to speak to him. My recommendation, have your boy text before the call to "set up the time". But don't get frustrated if it takes days for them to answer (assuming its a 2019). good luck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what is the normal process for these conversations? is it through the coach? serious question, just wondering how it goes down

Originally Posted by Anonymous

a coach from the staff will reach out to your club and/or high school coach. They will either tell him they are going to keep looking at your boy but are interested, and want to learn a little more about him, or they may give the club/HS coach their phone number and ask your son to call him and talk about the potential of being a student athlete at the respective school. After some conversations,they may set up an unofficial visit. it usually doesn't progress to official visits by the pure definition of the term with lacrosse recruits but you may be asked to stay overnight. we let our son do the talking unless it was logistical stuff like visits, timing, etc. In our experience the coaches wanted to talk to the recruit and not so much the parents, but you have every right to ask to speak to him. My recommendation, have your boy text before the call to "set up the time". But don't get frustrated if it takes days for them to answer (assuming its a 2019). good luck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what is the normal process for these conversations? is it through the coach? serious question, just wondering how it goes down

As per the NCAA guidelines if the school contacts the player it is an official visit.

Heard there was a full blown parent brawl at the IL Invitational between the Annapolis Hawks and the 90 One 2019s? Any truth to this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard there was a full blown parent brawl at the IL Invitational between the Annapolis Hawks and the 90 One 2019s? Any truth to this?

2nd Round tonight at 6 on TV. Michael Buffer is flying in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard there was a full blown parent brawl at the IL Invitational between the Annapolis Hawks and the 90 One 2019s? Any truth to this?

Doubt it. They are at Naptown. Not IL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Spoken by the parent/s of players who are are not the ones making the cut. As for the poster who turned down: Blackcard,JR,UA, Showtime I say you are not truthful.

Even 91 & Express top commits in 2019 & 2018 are going to one of the aforementioned.

Enjoy your family this summer and I will enjoy mine.

Best of luck to your son. My son loves this game and is playing and having fun.

I agree, and think your foolish if you turn all down, that said doing one is what most of the better players are.at the least doing. Some more but for my son he is starting to hate the grind. And questioning why.

The college coaches more so planted that seed of why do you play tournaments every weekend and at times 6+ games. Does nothing for the coaches and is burning out the kids.

I hope we are smarter with our younger ones. I'd probably still pay the $$ for less travel. Maybe more practices less tournaments

yes, it happened.

Naptown is terrible tournament.

Explain how it's a terrible tournament. I heard great fields, top coaches, quality teams minus one or two. championship on tv. quote=Anonymous]yes, it happened.

Naptown is terrible tournament. [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard there was a full blown parent brawl at the IL Invitational between the Annapolis Hawks and the 90 One 2019s? Any truth to this?

Doubt it. They are at Naptown. Not IL

It was Naptown. Coaches and parents got into it. Much better behaved in championship on tv. Total reversal of 1st game. 9d1 over Hawks in championship after bad loss to Hawks two days earlier.

Naptown is terrible because it's midweek, who holds a midweek tournament? Huge scheduling gaps, locations spread over wide area. Instead of making it easy on college coaches, they make it very hard for them to see multiple games/kids. If you think fields are okay, try Kent Island. Promise of tv didn't turn out to well either, did it Genius?
Oh yeah, and then the fight WITH THE HOST TEAM PARENTS!
They forgot who the customer is.
Strong Island wont be back

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Naptown is terrible because it's midweek, who holds a midweek tournament? Huge scheduling gaps, locations spread over wide area. Instead of making it easy on college coaches, they make it very hard for them to see multiple games/kids. If you think fields are okay, try Kent Island. Promise of tv didn't turn out to well either, did it Genius?
Oh yeah, and then the fight WITH THE HOST TEAM PARENTS!
They forgot who the customer is.
Strong Island wont be back

The TV coverage was outstanding. Quint Kssenich and Evan Wahburn did a great job. Did you watch?

what station was this on? just curious, thx in advance

CSN mid Atlantic Chanel 642 on direct tv

I got to see a real display of class today. At the Warrior LI Classic. A Long Beach player was talking trash all game, and there was back and forth between parents on both teams and the refs. The loudmouth defenseman was sent off the field and his classy father ran onto the field in an attempt to get the ref. As he was held back by other parents, he fought to get at the ref. Lots of class all around Nassau's finest had to make an appearance. Stay classy folks

Naptown was great. The 2020 semifinals had 10 or more D1 coaches on the sideline. I'd encourage my club owner to sign up next year.

Platinum Cup, Big 4, Crabfeast and Naptown are the best tournaments. The best teams are there and the sidelines are filled with coaches. There were 4 tournaments this weekend and the talent and coaches were diluted at all of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I got to see a real display of class today. At the Warrior LI Classic. A Long Beach player was talking trash all game, and there was back and forth between parents on both teams and the refs. The loudmouth defenseman was sent off the field and his classy father ran onto the field in an attempt to get the ref. As he was held back by other parents, he fought to get at the ref. Lots of class all around Nassau's finest had to make an appearance. Stay classy folks

Heard about this, what an embarrassment and how crazy that refs have to worry about being attacked because parents don't teach their kids to keep their mouths shut especially when adults (refs) tell them to. No matter who is right it's called respect, lets teach our kids that....seems to be lacking these days, a lot of these kids aren't afraid of any kind of authority. Obviously you can see what is being taught in that house when you see how the dad took matters into his own hands. And what a waste of time for the police department to have to get involved in such nonsense.... too bad the kid and dad didn't do an overnight in lock up to teach them a lesson on what a silly situation the whole thing was and how they escalated the entire thing lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I got to see a real display of class today. At the Warrior LI Classic. A Long Beach player was talking trash all game, and there was back and forth between parents on both teams and the refs. The loudmouth defenseman was sent off the field and his classy father ran onto the field in an attempt to get the ref. As he was held back by other parents, he fought to get at the ref. Lots of class all around Nassau's finest had to make an appearance. Stay classy folks

Heard about this, what an embarrassment and how crazy that refs have to worry about being attacked because parents don't teach their kids to keep their mouths shut especially when adults (refs) tell them to. No matter who is right it's called respect, lets teach our kids that....seems to be lacking these days, a lot of these kids aren't afraid of any kind of authority. Obviously you can see what is being taught in that house when you see how the dad took matters into his own hands. And what a waste of time for the police department to have to get involved in such nonsense.... too bad the kid and dad didn't do an overnight in lock up to teach them a lesson on what a silly situation the whole thing was and how they escalated the entire thing lol

By the time the cops arrived, Dad had already taken his kid and high tailed it back to LB. Leaving the team behind to play another game. You don't have to wonder how the kid got the way he is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I got to see a real display of class today. At the Warrior LI Classic. A Long Beach player was talking trash all game, and there was back and forth between parents on both teams and the refs. The loudmouth defenseman was sent off the field and his classy father ran onto the field in an attempt to get the ref. As he was held back by other parents, he fought to get at the ref. Lots of class all around Nassau's finest had to make an appearance. Stay classy folks

Heard about this, what an embarrassment and how crazy that refs have to worry about being attacked because parents don't teach their kids to keep their mouths shut especially when adults (refs) tell them to. No matter who is right it's called respect, lets teach our kids that....seems to be lacking these days, a lot of these kids aren't afraid of any kind of authority. Obviously you can see what is being taught in that house when you see how the dad took matters into his own hands. And what a waste of time for the police department to have to get involved in such nonsense.... too bad the kid and dad didn't do an overnight in lock up to teach them a lesson on what a silly situation the whole thing was and how they escalated the entire thing lol

By the time the cops arrived, Dad had already taken his kid and high tailed it back to LB. Leaving the team behind to play another game. You don't have to wonder how the kid got the way he is.

Figures.....what a tough guy coward. Too scared to wait around for the cops to show up and ran with his tail between his legs. Another proud parental teaching moment on the lacrosse field. Let's hope he stays hiding in Long Beach where he belongs.

did he learn from the loudmouth , authority from LB a couple of years ago?

how is the Brine games going for LI. they have a 1pm must win or else they are out of the brackets

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how is the Brine games going for LI. they have a 1pm must win or else they are out of the brackets

They went 2-2 and are out of bracket play. Virginia and Connecticut went 4-0 in pool play. Virginia plays Pennsylvania, Connecticut plays Illinois in the first round tomorrow.

Does anyone have first hand feedback from the Warrior Prospect Event?
How many coaches were there?
What schools were represented?
Were the teams balanced?

Compared to UA, Jake Reed, Platnium Cup was it on that level?

I already read that the HS Boys team for LI won the Brine event. I do not know any of the players who were selected, so I have no one to ask.

My son played on the Brine HSB team and there were very few coaches in attendance at the event for both Brine and Warrior.

How about FCA? U15 US Lacrosse National Champions!

There was one game that was well attended by coaches - the Brine All Star 2017-2018 game. There were at least a dozen coaches.

As far as I can tell, the people handing out jerseys did not pay attention to the pre-printed rosters for any of the Brine All Star games so what good it did to have college coaches on the sideline without being able to identify players . . . definitely better attended than the Warrior All Star game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about FCA? U15 US Lacrosse National Champions!

Congrats Dad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how is the Brine games going for LI. they have a 1pm must win or else they are out of the brackets

They went 2-2 and are out of bracket play. Virginia and Connecticut went 4-0 in pool play. Virginia plays Pennsylvania, Connecticut plays Illinois in the first round tomorrow.

sounds like both of the 2019 teams from last year fared better than this one team? the brine tryout evaluators screwed this up so bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how is the Brine games going for LI. they have a 1pm must win or else they are out of the brackets

They went 2-2 and are out of bracket play. Virginia and Connecticut went 4-0 in pool play. Virginia plays Pennsylvania, Connecticut plays Illinois in the first round tomorrow.

sounds like both of the 2019 teams from last year fared better than this one team? the brine tryout evaluators screwed this up so bad.

how can you pin this on the evaluators.

Last year's 2019 LI team was an extremely talented and special team. Don't try and compare year to year, cant be done. Heck the Pride game last year had some good lacrosse. This year, many players realized last year you cant, nor should do everything. So please don't pin this on Evaluators or process. Sure some might have missed the cut that could have helped but don't go and compare the teams.

You want to do this rising Freshman and Rising Sr. and LI did what they had to in those years. Isnt the Sophomore year just a year or so old anyway. Hope all that went had fun playing extra lacrosse in a great venue (although hot).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone have first hand feedback from the Warrior Prospect Event?
How many coaches were there?
What schools were represented?
Were the teams balanced?

Compared to UA, Jake Reed, Platnium Cup was it on that level?

I already read that the HS Boys team for LI won the Brine event. I do not know any of the players who were selected, so I have no one to ask.

Several of our son's friends were selected to the Brine all star team, they said there were more college coaches at that game then some of their games at Jake Reed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone have first hand feedback from the Warrior Prospect Event?
How many coaches were there?
What schools were represented?
Were the teams balanced?

Compared to UA, Jake Reed, Platnium Cup was it on that level?

I already read that the HS Boys team for LI won the Brine event. I do not know any of the players who were selected, so I have no one to ask.

Several of our son's friends were selected to the Brine all star team, they said there were more college coaches at that game then some of their games at Jake Reed.

I can say from experience (and still going through it) prospect days offer the best chance for exposure. A lot of schools are having their final summer prospect day this week. I like prospect days because your son can pick the school he wants to attend and then go to the prospect day and see if can play lax for them. If nothing else, they are all well run and offer a great experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about FCA? U15 US Lacrosse National Champions!

LMAO, you mean the FCA team with one or two kids that actually play for FCA on it? Did the same thing last year, loaded up on commits from all over the country and won it against a diluted field. Relax dad its not a real National championship.......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about FCA? U15 US Lacrosse National Champions!

LMAO, you mean the FCA team with one or two kids that actually play for FCA on it? Did the same thing last year, loaded up on commits from all over the country and won it against a diluted field. Relax dad its not a real National championship.......

See you at the next National Championship - Dicks TOC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about FCA? U15 US Lacrosse National Champions!

LMAO, you mean the FCA team with one or two kids that actually play for FCA on it? Did the same thing last year, loaded up on commits from all over the country and won it against a diluted field. Relax dad its not a real National championship.......

FCA is a funny oxymoron. They are the worst cheaters we've ever come across. During a tournament in MD last fall, they borrowed a FOGO from another team because ours dominated theirs in our first game. The coach yelled at one of our players in the hand shake line for not saying "good game" and one of their players hammed up a few penalties (push in the back) and then pointed at our bench and laughed.

Christian Athletes? In name only.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how is the Brine games going for LI. they have a 1pm must win or else they are out of the brackets

They went 2-2 and are out of bracket play. Virginia and Connecticut went 4-0 in pool play. Virginia plays Pennsylvania, Connecticut plays Illinois in the first round tomorrow.

sounds like both of the 2019 teams from last year fared better than this one team? the brine tryout evaluators screwed this up so bad.

how can you pin this on the evaluators.

Last year's 2019 LI team was an extremely talented and special team. Don't try and compare year to year, cant be done. Heck the Pride game last year had some good lacrosse. This year, many players realized last year you cant, nor should do everything. So please don't pin this on Evaluators or process. Sure some might have missed the cut that could have helped but don't go and compare the teams.

You want to do this rising Freshman and Rising Sr. and LI did what they had to in those years. Isnt the Sophomore year just a year or so old anyway. Hope all that went had fun playing extra lacrosse in a great venue (although hot).

Last year there were 2 LI teams in Brine (Yellow and Green).
Yellow was the first team, was LOADED, and significantly better. They won the whole thing. Comprised mostly of players from one hundred minus nine and a several exp & legacy horses. The Defense was so good they could have won without a goalie.

The Green Team was good, just not that good. They won a few but lost some too. If they balanced those 2 teams, they would have met in the championship for sure

With that deep a pool, they could have put together a better competitive team this year.

That is true the 2019 yellow team was a special team but many didn't tryout this year because there is no recruitment value at the Brine. It was far more important to go to events with recruitment value this summer. My son was a part of that yellow team and will always have great memories of playing with such a talented and respectful group of young men. Congrats to all the young men that are committing to the next level ALL over the country. I look forward to watching some of you play Memorial Day Weekend. Yes......I love this game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is true the 2019 yellow team was a special team but many didn't tryout this year because there is no recruitment value at the Brine. It was far more important to go to events with recruitment value this summer. My son was a part of that yellow team and will always have great memories of playing with such a talented and respectful group of young men. Congrats to all the young men that are committing to the next level ALL over the country. I look forward to watching some of you play Memorial Day Weekend. Yes......I love this game.

Here is my 2 cents. It seems that the rising freshmen year is the year that most want to win and where you see most coaches watching. Long Island always sends a very talented team. There then seems to be a drop off the next year rising sophomore year. Is it because the team just won it? Is it because they are disenchanted because they didnt get recruited? I dont know. It does seem the rising junior and senior HSB teams have done well in the past. Winning it this year and 2 years ago. One thing I am sure of other regions take brine very seriously and send the best teams they can. Pennsylvania, New England, Ohio, Maryland, etc. all want to do well and get recruited. because Long Island doesnt win it doesnt mean its a bad event. I can honestly say there were not as many coaches this year as there have been in the past. I think this has to do with there being so many events. Yet there were always a handful at every game. It was a well run event where weather only effected Tuesday night.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is true the 2019 yellow team was a special team but many didn't tryout this year because there is no recruitment value at the Brine. It was far more important to go to events with recruitment value this summer. My son was a part of that yellow team and will always have great memories of playing with such a talented and respectful group of young men. Congrats to all the young men that are committing to the next level ALL over the country. I look forward to watching some of you play Memorial Day Weekend. Yes......I love this game.

It was a special team..lol...a team where at least 18 kids were hand picked before hand..give me a break..if you took 6 of those kids and put them on the other team they would have won it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is true the 2019 yellow team was a special team but many didn't tryout this year because there is no recruitment value at the Brine. It was far more important to go to events with recruitment value this summer. My son was a part of that yellow team and will always have great memories of playing with such a talented and respectful group of young men. Congrats to all the young men that are committing to the next level ALL over the country. I look forward to watching some of you play Memorial Day Weekend. Yes......I love this game.

It was a special team..lol...a team where at least 18 kids were hand picked before hand..give me a break..if you took 6 of those kids and put them on the other team they would have won it.

yeah, probably, especially if the 6 were any of the 10 committed kids from the team, but lets not go on the level of not comparing the teams.

The statement was more about many kids skipped the Tryout. I believe it was because there are so many more options at the rising Soph level, options that offer better recruiting opportunities. Many realized doing "to much" is counter productive. Especially if each event leaked into the next.

I see Team 91 LI took the ship at the Inside Lacrosse Invitational held this week in Maryland. Which team was it ??
Sounded like the last game was one to watch..

it was a 2019/2020 bracket and had a total of only 8 teams in the whole bracket. the first session had only 4 teams, second session had 14 in the bracket and 3rd session had 8. they should of tried to combine to make a really strong tourney over 3 days

[quote=Anonymous]I see Team 91 LI took the ship at the Inside Lacrosse Invitational held this week in Maryland. Which team was it ??
Sounded like the last game was one to watch.. [/quot

Team 91 white won the tournament this past week. Championship game was a nice comeback after trailing 5-0. They showed heart and toughness and was a good way to end the season