BOTC is opening our Fall 2015 through Summer 2016 thread covering the Boys 2017- 11th Grade age group.
are you going back to the club that you last played for this summer? If not why not? If so why?
yes, we will be playing for the outlaws this coming year. We love them.
How hard is it going to be recruited if its your first time on an 'A' team ever? and were a nobody before?
How hard is it going to be recruited if its your first time on an 'A' team ever? and were a nobody before?
If you are big, fast and hustle you will be recruited. Where you get recruited is a different story, the ACC teams are already filled. But get yourself a nice education in the Patriot League, and any one of those teams can win a title. Just see Loyola a couple of years ago.
This early recruiting crap, and the geographical spread will create parity at the next level. Just wait and see. LATE BLOOMERS will be the new trend, five years from now.
It will be great for NCAA lacrosse.
How hard is it going to be recruited if its your first time on an 'A' team ever? and were a nobody before?
If you are big, fast and hustle you will be recruited. Where you get recruited is a different story, the ACC teams are already filled. But get yourself a nice education in the Patriot League, and any one of those teams can win a title. Just see Loyola a couple of years ago.
This early recruiting crap, and the geographical spread will create parity at the next level. Just wait and see. LATE BLOOMERS will be the new trend, five years from now.
It will be great for NCAA lacrosse.
I am not sure id say late bloomers will be the trend. I think they will be what they are, diamonds in the rough!
How hard is it going to be recruited if its your first time on an 'A' team ever? and were a nobody before?
If you are big, fast and hustle you will be recruited. Where you get recruited is a different story, the ACC teams are already filled. But get yourself a nice education in the Patriot League, and any one of those teams can win a title. Just see Loyola a couple of years ago.
This early recruiting crap, and the geographical spread will create parity at the next level. Just wait and see. LATE BLOOMERS will be the new trend, five years from now.
It will be great for NCAA lacrosse.
At this stage, better to go to a high end D3 than a low end D1. Don't hope to be "discovered" by a high end D1 - Unless your name is "Bubba" it won't happen and you'll be sorry you didn't respond to the better D3 programs that may have been interested. Respond to everything - the worst is when you have to crawl back to a program you were only lukewarm on because you had a fantasy of somewhere else that didn't work out. It happened to my son and he missed on some other great opportunities that he regrets passing on the first time around. Just as importantly, go see a D3 fall practice, it might open your eyes about the high quality of competition and will surprise you how good these D3 guys are. It's a phenomenal quality of lacrosse and many current D1 hopefuls that are not yet recruited may be surprised that they're not even good enough for many of the high end D3 programs. Many of the high end D3s could easily beat the middle to lower tier D1s.
are you going back to the club that you last played for this summer? If not why not? If so why?
No, I fell for the recruiting club pitch. Not this year, he'll play with the school team this year. Not worth all that cash, for the worst coaching I have ever seen and a couple of black and white jersey's.
What are the best individual showcase events for this fall for 2017's?
How hard is it going to be recruited if its your first time on an 'A' team ever? and were a nobody before?
If you are big, fast and hustle you will be recruited. Where you get recruited is a different story, the ACC teams are already filled. But get yourself a nice education in the Patriot League, and any one of those teams can win a title. Just see Loyola a couple of years ago.
This early recruiting crap, and the geographical spread will create parity at the next level. Just wait and see. LATE BLOOMERS will be the new trend, five years from now.
It will be great for NCAA lacrosse.
At this stage, better to go to a high end D3 than a low end D1. Don't hope to be "discovered" by a high end D1 - Unless your name is "Bubba" it won't happen and you'll be sorry you didn't respond to the better D3 programs that may have been interested. Respond to everything - the worst is when you have to crawl back to a program you were only lukewarm on because you had a fantasy of somewhere else that didn't work out. It happened to my son and he missed on some other great opportunities that he regrets passing on the first time around. Just as importantly, go see a D3 fall practice, it might open your eyes about the high quality of competition and will surprise you how good these D3 guys are. It's a phenomenal quality of lacrosse and many current D1 hopefuls that are not yet recruited may be surprised that they're not even good enough for many of the high end D3 programs. Many of the high end D3s could easily beat the middle to lower tier D1s.
Yes and no. The decommit trend is just starting to hit its stride and the result is spots and $ opening up, even at big lax schools. UNC just had 3 2016 decommits and this opened up a spot and $ for an under the radar 2017 only a couple of days ago. ND has been hit with multiple commits opting for football over the last few years. Agreed, this is defintely the exception, not the rule, but if your kid is a legit, grew to 6'4" over the summer, type of late bloomer, then spots will be made available even at the big lax schools. But if your kid is playing A for the first time only because the committed kids decided to skip club, and your kid is the last kid on the depth chart, the above advice is spot on. Better to concentrate on the best D3's then worst D1's. You aren't missing out on your shot at an NFL type contract, you need to find the best school to get your son the best paying career. You just need to be honest with yourselves about where your kid sits. Best person to talk to is your HS coach, presumably he has dealt with this a lot and should be able to tell you what level your kid is sitting at.
How hard is it going to be recruited if its your first time on an 'A' team ever? and were a nobody before?
If you are big, fast and hustle you will be recruited. Where you get recruited is a different story, the ACC teams are already filled. But get yourself a nice education in the Patriot League, and any one of those teams can win a title. Just see Loyola a couple of years ago.
This early recruiting crap, and the geographical spread will create parity at the next level. Just wait and see. LATE BLOOMERS will be the new trend, five years from now.
It will be great for NCAA lacrosse.
At this stage, better to go to a high end D3 than a low end D1. Don't hope to be "discovered" by a high end D1 - Unless your name is "Bubba" it won't happen and you'll be sorry you didn't respond to the better D3 programs that may have been interested. Respond to everything - the worst is when you have to crawl back to a program you were only lukewarm on because you had a fantasy of somewhere else that didn't work out. It happened to my son and he missed on some other great opportunities that he regrets passing on the first time around. Just as importantly, go see a D3 fall practice, it might open your eyes about the high quality of competition and will surprise you how good these D3 guys are. It's a phenomenal quality of lacrosse and many current D1 hopefuls that are not yet recruited may be surprised that they're not even good enough for many of the high end D3 programs. Many of the high end D3s could easily beat the middle to lower tier D1s.
Yes and no. The decommit trend is just starting to hit its stride and the result is spots and $ opening up, even at big lax schools. UNC just had 3 2016 decommits and this opened up a spot and $ for an under the radar 2017 only a couple of days ago. ND has been hit with multiple commits opting for football over the last few years. Agreed, this is defintely the exception, not the rule, but if your kid is a legit, grew to 6'4" over the summer, type of late bloomer, then spots will be made available even at the big lax schools. But if your kid is playing A for the first time only because the committed kids decided to skip club, and your kid is the last kid on the depth chart, the above advice is spot on. Better to concentrate on the best D3's then worst D1's. You aren't missing out on your shot at an NFL type contract, you need to find the best school to get your son the best paying career. You just need to be honest with yourselves about where your kid sits. Best person to talk to is your HS coach, presumably he has dealt with this a lot and should be able to tell you what level your kid is sitting at.
Why does height always need to be the primary reason for a commit? How about be a stand out player. Recent UNC commit you speak of is 5' 10" not 6'4" He was also never an under the radar player, just maybe jumped too early at the first offer, he has been a stand out for years and knew he could demand better offers than he could as a freshman.
I think we will see numerous decommits in the near future. Reason is many players are committing early to schools just to commit or just to say they are committed. The first school they commit to might not be the school they wanted to go to but they feel this pressure to commit early. Its also the fact that some kids might commit to a lower end D1 program early and then all of the sudden they have a great summer and now a top school is calling. Happens a lot. The other thing is some of these decommits are a result of the admissions process not going as planned. Grades are very important and because a kid commits in 9th grade and has good grades in 9th doesn't mean they will continue to have the grades to get into the school the committed early to.
How hard is it going to be recruited if its your first time on an 'A' team ever? and were a nobody before?
If you are big, fast and hustle you will be recruited. Where you get recruited is a different story, the ACC teams are already filled. But get yourself a nice education in the Patriot League, and any one of those teams can win a title. Just see Loyola a couple of years ago.
This early recruiting crap, and the geographical spread will create parity at the next level. Just wait and see. LATE BLOOMERS will be the new trend, five years from now.
It will be great for NCAA lacrosse.
At this stage, better to go to a high end D3 than a low end D1. Don't hope to be "discovered" by a high end D1 - Unless your name is "Bubba" it won't happen and you'll be sorry you didn't respond to the better D3 programs that may have been interested. Respond to everything - the worst is when you have to crawl back to a program you were only lukewarm on because you had a fantasy of somewhere else that didn't work out. It happened to my son and he missed on some other great opportunities that he regrets passing on the first time around. Just as importantly, go see a D3 fall practice, it might open your eyes about the high quality of competition and will surprise you how good these D3 guys are. It's a phenomenal quality of lacrosse and many current D1 hopefuls that are not yet recruited may be surprised that they're not even good enough for many of the high end D3 programs. Many of the high end D3s could easily beat the middle to lower tier D1s.
Yes and no. The decommit trend is just starting to hit its stride and the result is spots and $ opening up, even at big lax schools. UNC just had 3 2016 decommits and this opened up a spot and $ for an under the radar 2017 only a couple of days ago. ND has been hit with multiple commits opting for football over the last few years. Agreed, this is defintely the exception, not the rule, but if your kid is a legit, grew to 6'4" over the summer, type of late bloomer, then spots will be made available even at the big lax schools. But if your kid is playing A for the first time only because the committed kids decided to skip club, and your kid is the last kid on the depth chart, the above advice is spot on. Better to concentrate on the best D3's then worst D1's. You aren't missing out on your shot at an NFL type contract, you need to find the best school to get your son the best paying career. You just need to be honest with yourselves about where your kid sits. Best person to talk to is your HS coach, presumably he has dealt with this a lot and should be able to tell you what level your kid is sitting at.
Why does height always need to be the primary reason for a commit? How about be a stand out player. Recent UNC commit you speak of is 5' 10" not 6'4" He was also never an under the radar player, just maybe jumped too early at the first offer, he has been a stand out for years and knew he could demand better offers than he could as a freshman.
The kid I'm talking about is a 6'4" Canadian heading into grade 12 and having to do a PG. For a school like UNC, I would say he fits the bill as under the radar. Height doesn't always need to be the primary reason, but when talking about a kid flying under the radar and getting scooped up by a big conference school late in the game, it's often because the kid came into his own physically, whether in height or weight or both. Why do you think so many people are double reclassing their kids now? Their size advantage sticks out and college coaches love it. Like it or not, it's the first thing they look for, even before skill.
All early recruiting is so stupid, there was a big swing already from top kids in 9th grade, and the top kids in 10th grade the list did not stay the same, and there will be another Big swing next year, my kid was 5'4 in 9th and 5"8 end of 10th.The movie we been watching is at intermission, the ending is very hard to predict at this point.
All early recruiting is so stupid, there was a big swing already from top kids in 9th grade, and the top kids in 10th grade the list did not stay the same, and there will be another Big swing next year, my kid was 5'4 in 9th and 5"8 end of 10th.The movie we been watching is at intermission, the ending is very hard to predict at this point.
It's funny how I'm sure every single college coach will agree with you, but there they are at JR Rising Freshmen. The biggest mistakes in recruiting/scouting in any sport usually occur in undervaluing highly skilled but undersized players or overvaluing size. But yet, the cycle continues.
All early recruiting is so stupid, there was a big swing already from top kids in 9th grade, and the top kids in 10th grade the list did not stay the same, and there will be another Big swing next year, my kid was 5'4 in 9th and 5"8 end of 10th.The movie we been watching is at intermission, the ending is very hard to predict at this point.
It's funny how I'm sure every single college coach will agree with you, but there they are at JR Rising Freshmen. The biggest mistakes in recruiting/scouting in any sport usually occur in undervaluing highly skilled but undersized players or overvaluing size. But yet, the cycle continues.
This reminds me of Red Auerbach's old axiom, "you can't teach height".
All early recruiting is so stupid, there was a big swing already from top kids in 9th grade, and the top kids in 10th grade the list did not stay the same, and there will be another Big swing next year, my kid was 5'4 in 9th and 5"8 end of 10th.The movie we been watching is at intermission, the ending is very hard to predict at this point.
It's funny how I'm sure every single college coach will agree with you, but there they are at JR Rising Freshmen. The biggest mistakes in recruiting/scouting in any sport usually occur in undervaluing highly skilled but undersized players or overvaluing size. But yet, the cycle continues.
This reminds me of Red Auerbach's old axiom, "you can't teach height".
No but you can fake it... double reclass!
D1 coaches only play 20 kids or so in a game so they only need to be right on 40% of their recruits to succeed. They also commit 12+ kids so to prevent their opponents from getting a recruit.
[quote=Anonymous]D1 coaches only play 20 kids or so in a game so they only need to be right on 40% of their recruits to succeed. They also commit 12+ kids so to prevent their opponents from getting a recruit.
True about keeping Kids away from other Schools. I think we just fell into that situation .
What are the top showcases for this fall for 2017's? Also, does anyone have any suggestions on which fall team events would be the best attended by college coaches?
Opinions on f/o rule changes? My son is happy, even after he claimed to be devastated last year upon hearing this was coming. Funny how all the best kids are still the best with similar winning percentagea (summer ball). Even after all the hateful comments directed at fogos last summer!
Opinions on f/o rule changes? My son is happy, even after he claimed to be devastated last year upon hearing this was coming. Funny how all the best kids are still the best with similar winning percentagea (summer ball). Even after all the hateful comments directed at fogos last summer!
My son loves it. He adapted last fall and started playing by college rules then. I agree the best will remain the best
yes, we will be playing for the outlaws this coming year. We love them.
I would stay clear of this program respectfully. My son was part of the A program that had 30 something kids last year. The club has admitted its mistake but really hasn't accounted for it in any meaningful way. If they backed up its words with monetary incentives I would give them a second chance. However, to be subjected to another $100 tryout fee and a future payment plan of $2,500.
Hope this helps you in making your decision, I do think most of the non premier teams have this experience. So they are probably not alone, but I do believe if you have a product and you admit it wasn't a good one. Don't ask for more money the next year.
yes, we will be playing for the outlaws this coming year. We love them.
I would stay clear of this program respectfully. My son was part of the A program that had 30 something kids last year. The club has admitted its mistake but really hasn't accounted for it in any meaningful way. If they backed up its words with monetary incentives I would give them a second chance. However, to be subjected to another $100 tryout fee and a future payment plan of $2,500.
Hope this helps you in making your decision, I do think most of the non premier teams have this experience. So they are probably not alone, but I do believe if you have a product and you admit it wasn't a good one. Don't ask for more money the next year.
Sounds like maybe your son wasn't asked back. I'm not putting you or him down, but the team you're referring to was extremely strong this year. 12-14 commits so far. The next older team has 20+ Commits. What exactly would you being staying clear of? The high likelihood of your son committing by the time it's all over? As parents, we sometimes have to take a hard look at our son's talent level. Not every kid can play this game at the next level, its really hard to get colleges to recruit you to play in college anywhere... There are so many really good players out there. I have nothing to do with Outlaws, other than being a parent of a kid in the program who's been through the recruiting process a couple of times.
yes, we will be playing for the outlaws this coming year. We love them.
I would stay clear of this program respectfully. My son was part of the A program that had 30 something kids last year. The club has admitted its mistake but really hasn't accounted for it in any meaningful way. If they backed up its words with monetary incentives I would give them a second chance. However, to be subjected to another $100 tryout fee and a future payment plan of $2,500.
Hope this helps you in making your decision, I do think most of the non premier teams have this experience. So they are probably not alone, but I do believe if you have a product and you admit it wasn't a good one. Don't ask for more money the next year.
Sounds like maybe your son wasn't asked back. I'm not putting you or him down, but the team you're referring to was extremely strong this year. 12-14 commits so far. The next older team has 20+ Commits. What exactly would you being staying clear of? The high likelihood of your son committing by the time it's all over? As parents, we sometimes have to take a hard look at our son's talent level. Not every kid can play this game at the next level, its really hard to get colleges to recruit you to play in college anywhere... There are so many really good players out there. I have nothing to do with Outlaws, other than being a parent of a kid in the program who's been through the recruiting process a couple of times.
Congrats I'm glad that you and your son are having some success, I agree that "select" team is very good. It was nice of the Outlaws to let that coach have a short roster (lots of playing time), a cheaper fee and play for a couple of coaches that worked really hard. Unfortunately the non-select team had kid coaches, had a roster that was mismanaged, and a higher fee.
So that is my point not that your kid is better then mine, just be careful when you are told your son has made the non select team,
don't do it. The product sucks.
BTW: Not all, but some of those kids on that non-select team will be able to play at the next level if they keep working hard.
yes, we will be playing for the outlaws this coming year. We love them.
I would stay clear of this program respectfully. My son was part of the A program that had 30 something kids last year. The club has admitted its mistake but really hasn't accounted for it in any meaningful way. If they backed up its words with monetary incentives I would give them a second chance. However, to be subjected to another $100 tryout fee and a future payment plan of $2,500.
Hope this helps you in making your decision, I do think most of the non premier teams have this experience. So they are probably not alone, but I do believe if you have a product and you admit it wasn't a good one. Don't ask for more money the next year.
Sounds like maybe your son wasn't asked back. I'm not putting you or him down, but the team you're referring to was extremely strong this year. 12-14 commits so far. The next older team has 20+ Commits. What exactly would you being staying clear of? The high likelihood of your son committing by the time it's all over? As parents, we sometimes have to take a hard look at our son's talent level. Not every kid can play this game at the next level, its really hard to get colleges to recruit you to play in college anywhere... There are so many really good players out there. I have nothing to do with Outlaws, other than being a parent of a kid in the program who's been through the recruiting process a couple of times.
Congrats I'm glad that you and your son are having some success, I agree that "select" team is very good. It was nice of the Outlaws to let that coach have a short roster (lots of playing time), a cheaper fee and play for a couple of coaches that worked really hard. Unfortunately the non-select team had kid coaches, had a roster that was mismanaged, and a higher fee.
So that is my point not that your kid is better then mine, just be careful when you are told your son has made the non select team,
don't do it. The product sucks.
BTW: Not all, but some of those kids on that non-select team will be able to play at the next level if they keep working hard.
You would think coaches for the 2nd team in a program would like the challenge of making the kids better. Sorry you had such a bad experience. Good coaching has always been a problem with lacrosse, looks like the 2nd tier of coaching is the next big challenge.
What Outlaws team has 20+ commits. Im calling BS on that statement. Also the "younger" team with 12-14 commits. Im calling BS on that too. Sorry.......your #'s dont seem to jive with the facts.
yes, we will be playing for the outlaws this coming year. We love them.
I would stay clear of this program respectfully. My son was part of the A program that had 30 something kids last year. The club has admitted its mistake but really hasn't accounted for it in any meaningful way. If they backed up its words with monetary incentives I would give them a second chance. However, to be subjected to another $100 tryout fee and a future payment plan of $2,500.
Hope this helps you in making your decision, I do think most of the non premier teams have this experience. So they are probably not alone, but I do believe if you have a product and you admit it wasn't a good one. Don't ask for more money the next year.
Sounds like maybe your son wasn't asked back. I'm not putting you or him down, but the team you're referring to was extremely strong this year. 12-14 commits so far. The next older team has 20+ Commits. What exactly would you being staying clear of? The high likelihood of your son committing by the time it's all over? As parents, we sometimes have to take a hard look at our son's talent level. Not every kid can play this game at the next level, its really hard to get colleges to recruit you to play in college anywhere... There are so many really good players out there. I have nothing to do with Outlaws, other than being a parent of a kid in the program who's been through the recruiting process a couple of times.
Congrats I'm glad that you and your son are having some success, I agree that "select" team is very good. It was nice of the Outlaws to let that coach have a short roster (lots of playing time), a cheaper fee and play for a couple of coaches that worked really hard. Unfortunately the non-select team had kid coaches, had a roster that was mismanaged, and a higher fee.
So that is my point not that your kid is better then mine, just be careful when you are told your son has made the non select team,
don't do it. The product sucks.
BTW: Not all, but some of those kids on that non-select team will be able to play at the next level if they keep working hard.
You would think coaches for the 2nd team in a program would like the challenge of making the kids better. Sorry you had such a bad experience. Good coaching has always been a problem with lacrosse, looks like the 2nd tier of coaching is the next big challenge.
Good Referees are the next big challenge...
I think there is a common factor here and many other forums. That everyone's experience on the same team is different. Some situations work and others don't for parent and player. I think the 2017 Gladiators/Outlaws team is a good one and the coach is great. My sons team played them at a tournament and they were coached well, played well, and were very talented. The internal workings are privy to those on the team and to the individuals that they effected. As for the second team, most programs face the same problem you are mentioning. A lot has to do with the coaches of the team on the A or B team. It can be a dad of a player or a coach without a kid on the team they can be great or suck its that plain and simple. Buyer beware
E-mail went out to 2017 black.
Any concerns from parents were taken into account, and changes have been made.
Rob Cornetta (Pace University Assistant) and Patrick Brennan (LI Outlaws Director) will be coaching the 2017 Black (A) team.
Pat Gorman and John Rowan will continue to coach the 2017 Select (AA).
Parents were affirmed there are spots available on both teams, and there are no more expanded rosters.
-Mike Brennan
631-487-6338
E-mail went out to 2017 black.
Any concerns from parents were taken into account, and changes have been made.
Rob Cornetta (Pace University Assistant) and Patrick Brennan (LI Outlaws Director) will be coaching the 2017 Black (A) team.
Pat Gorman and John Rowan will continue to coach the 2017 Select (AA).
Parents were affirmed there are spots available on both teams, and there are no more expanded rosters.
-Mike Brennan
631-487-6338
Thank you, Mike
This should put some of the issues to rest.
E-mail went out to 2017 black.
Any concerns from parents were taken into account, and changes have been made.
Rob Cornetta (Pace University Assistant) and Patrick Brennan (LI Outlaws Director) will be coaching the 2017 Black (A) team.
Pat Gorman and John Rowan will continue to coach the 2017 Select (AA).
Parents were affirmed there are spots available on both teams, and there are no more expanded rosters.
-Mike Brennan
631-487-6338
Thank you, Mike
This should put some of the issues to rest.
Email from directors son to clear up things. Why not a director.
E-mail went out to 2017 black.
Any concerns from parents were taken into account, and changes have been made.
Rob Cornetta (Pace University Assistant) and Patrick Brennan (LI Outlaws Director) will be coaching the 2017 Black (A) team.
Pat Gorman and John Rowan will continue to coach the 2017 Select (AA).
Parents were affirmed there are spots available on both teams, and there are no more expanded rosters.
-Mike Brennan
631-487-6338
Thank you, Mike
This should put some of the issues to rest.
Email from directors son to clear up things. Why not a director.
Are you freaking kidding me???? Get lost bozo
Could be worst, we played TB 2017 in a showcase, and the coach was screaming kids names out and telling them do get off the field, your playing like crap, now why would anyone go back to that idiot.9vnvas
Could be worst, we played TB 2017 in a showcase, and the coach was screaming kids names out and telling them do get off the field, your playing like crap, now why would anyone go back to that idiot.9vnvas
how many kids on that team are committed. Parent know if their son needs a kick in the arse or a laid back approach. What ever works for your son and family
What Outlaws team has 20+ commits. Im calling BS on that statement. Also the "younger" team with 12-14 commits. Im calling BS on that too. Sorry.......your #'s dont seem to jive with the facts.
You can "call" whatever you want. Here are the facts my hate filled friend. I deleted the boys names, as it is not my place to post them. Simple addition makes 14 2017's and 22 2016's. From what I hear, many more to come in 2017 and now 2018. Good luck to your son.
RPI 2017
Holy Cross 2017
Penn State 2017
Colgate 2017
Stonybrook 2017
Hofstra 2017
Umass 2017
Hofstra 2017
Cornell 2017
Binghamton 2017
Navy 2017
Marquette 2017
Stonybrook 2017
Providence 2017
Pace 2016
Stonybrook 2016
Towson 2016
Colby 2016
Pace 2016
Tufts 2016
Amherst 2016
Bryant 2016
Manhattan 2016
Syracuse 2016
Binghamton 2016
Hofstra 2016
Stonybrook 2016
St. Joseph's 2016
St. John's 2016
St. John's 2016
Binghamton 2016
Airforce 2016
Quinnipiac 2016
Manhattan 2016
St. John's 2016
Pace 2016
Could be worst, we played TB 2017 in a showcase, and the coach was screaming kids names out and telling them do get off the field, your playing like crap, now why would anyone go back to that idiot.9vnvas
That's exactly what you want in front Coaches... Yikes
Could be worst, we played TB 2017 in a showcase, and the coach was screaming kids names out and telling them do get off the field, your playing like crap, now why would anyone go back to that idiot.9vnvas
That's exactly what you want in front Coaches... Yikes
That joe cat for ya!!!!!
Could be worst, we played TB 2017 in a showcase, and the coach was screaming kids names out and telling them do get off the field, your playing like crap, now why would anyone go back to that idiot.9vnvas
That's exactly what you want in front Coaches... Yikes
That joe cat for ya!!!!!
Curious.......who won the game???
Could be worst, we played TB 2017 in a showcase, and the coach was screaming kids names out and telling them do get off the field, your playing like crap, now why would anyone go back to that idiot.9vnvas
That's exactly what you want in front Coaches... Yikes
That joe cat for ya!!!!!
Curious.......who won the game???
who cares.....not any coaches who might be watching. You think they keep score?
E-mail went out to 2017 black.
Any concerns from parents were taken into account, and changes have been made.
Rob Cornetta (Pace University Assistant) and Patrick Brennan (LI Outlaws Director) will be coaching the 2017 Black (A) team.
Pat Gorman and John Rowan will continue to coach the 2017 Select (AA).
Parents were affirmed there are spots available on both teams, and there are no more expanded rosters.
-Mike Brennan
631-487-6338
Thank you, Mike
This should put some of the issues to rest.
I would agree, Larry. Having the director of the program coach the A Team is great news and a giant leap forward in the right direction. This should avoid some of the huge mistakes that were made last year by the young coaches.
I'd recommend a tryout waiver as well for those who had the unfortunate experience of going to tournaments without goalies or with three long poles for an eight game tournament. (Just a suggestion of good faith).
Lets keep lacrosse in a positive light.
O no..a coach that yells at kids on the varsity HS level..what has the lacrosse world come to..you better smarten up quick softie..this is HS lacrosse and some kids get yelled at to correct mistakes. You don't like him or his style who cares Most kids I bet enjoy playing for him and that style. If you don't like it there are 25 other travel programs on LI you can string it up with But keep bashing from your LIE or BF hole in the wall. Makes you look good.
Could be worst, we played TB 2017 in a showcase, and the coach was screaming kids names out and telling them do get off the field, your playing like crap, now why would anyone go back to that idiot.9vnvas
That's exactly what you want in front Coaches... Yikes
That joe cat for ya!!!!!
Curious.......who won the game???
who cares.....not any coaches who might be watching. You think they keep score?
HA....that gave me a good laugh. TB has spanked you everytime they played you since they started. in fact they practically shut you out in that showcase u speak of....how do you think that looked in front of ALL those coaches
Id say outlaw man sounds more like Hillary
I think the Outlaws always put an above average Team out on the field. For some reason they just don't get or beat the elite Teams. No elite lacrosse school verbals: JHU,Duke,Syracuse, UVA, UNC, MD, ND, ect.
We are not even a club team, just a bunch of no name washed up kids that beat you. And listen has you yelled and wined on the side lines. Lol love it
I think the Outlaws always put an above average Team out on the field. For some reason they just don't get or beat the elite Teams. No elite lacrosse school verbals: JHU,Duke,Syracuse, UVA, UNC, MD, ND, ect.
I guess you have not heard of the Patriot League
I think the Outlaws always put an above average Team out on the field. For some reason they just don't get or beat the elite Teams. No elite lacrosse school verbals: JHU,Duke,Syracuse, UVA, UNC, MD, ND, ect.
Not all those schools are what they seem. My son turned down several of them because, one is a dump. One is an inner city nerd fest, a couple others are under scandal investigation involving atheltes. It's about the right fit for the kid! Unless you are going to Harvard or Princeton , all the schools you mentioned have a downside!
Could be worst, we played TB 2017 in a showcase, and the coach was screaming kids names out and telling them do get off the field, your playing like crap, now why would anyone go back to that idiot.9vnvas
That's exactly what you want in front Coaches... Yikes
That joe cat for ya!!!!!
Curious.......who won the game???
who cares.....not any coaches who might be watching. You think they keep score?
HA....that gave me a good laugh. TB has spanked you everytime they played you since they started. in fact they practically shut you out in that showcase u speak of....how do you think that looked in front of ALL those coaches
still didn't matter, glad you are happy though.
That's funny. Last year we also heard how great it was going to be. So what, they added guys who are bringing kids to the club. Once you get past those 20 kids on select or A teams, it's all the same... Crappy practices, empty promises and mediocre coaching at best. Wake up everyone. And yes, my kid was not on A team and that's ok. But when you promise things that you don't deliver after $2400 you don't get a second chance.
That's funny. Last year we also heard how great it was going to be. So what, they added guys who are bringing kids to the club. Once you get past those 20 kids on select or A teams, it's all the same... Crappy practices, empty promises and mediocre coaching at best. Wake up everyone. And yes, my kid was not on A team and that's ok. But when you promise things that you don't deliver after $2400 you don't get a second chance.
I hear that brother.
How hard is it going to be recruited if its your first time on an 'A' team ever? and were a nobody before?
If you are big, fast and hustle you will be recruited. Where you get recruited is a different story, the ACC teams are already filled. But get yourself a nice education in the Patriot League, and any one of those teams can win a title. Just see Loyola a couple of years ago.
This early recruiting crap, and the geographical spread will create parity at the next level. Just wait and see. LATE BLOOMERS will be the new trend, five years from now.
It will be great for NCAA lacrosse.
At this stage, better to go to a high end D3 than a low end D1. Don't hope to be "discovered" by a high end D1 - Unless your name is "Bubba" it won't happen and you'll be sorry you didn't respond to the better D3 programs that may have been interested. Respond to everything - the worst is when you have to crawl back to a program you were only lukewarm on because you had a fantasy of somewhere else that didn't work out. It happened to my son and he missed on some other great opportunities that he regrets passing on the first time around. Just as importantly, go see a D3 fall practice, it might open your eyes about the high quality of competition and will surprise you how good these D3 guys are. It's a phenomenal quality of lacrosse and many current D1 hopefuls that are not yet recruited may be surprised that they're not even good enough for many of the high end D3 programs. Many of the high end D3s could easily beat the middle to lower tier D1s.
Yes and no. The decommit trend is just starting to hit its stride and the result is spots and $ opening up, even at big lax schools. UNC just had 3 2016 decommits and this opened up a spot and $ for an under the radar 2017 only a couple of days ago. ND has been hit with multiple commits opting for football over the last few years. Agreed, this is defintely the exception, not the rule, but if your kid is a legit, grew to 6'4" over the summer, type of late bloomer, then spots will be made available even at the big lax schools. But if your kid is playing A for the first time only because the committed kids decided to skip club, and your kid is the last kid on the depth chart, the above advice is spot on. Better to concentrate on the best D3's then worst D1's. You aren't missing out on your shot at an NFL type contract, you need to find the best school to get your son the best paying career. You just need to be honest with yourselves about where your kid sits. Best person to talk to is your HS coach, presumably he has dealt with this a lot and should be able to tell you what level your kid is sitting at.
Why does height always need to be the primary reason for a commit? How about be a stand out player. Recent UNC commit you speak of is 5' 10" not 6'4" He was also never an under the radar player, just maybe jumped too early at the first offer, he has been a stand out for years and knew he could demand better offers than he could as a freshman.
The kid I'm talking about is a 6'4" Canadian heading into grade 12 and having to do a PG. For a school like UNC, I would say he fits the bill as under the radar. Height doesn't always need to be the primary reason, but when talking about a kid flying under the radar and getting scooped up by a big conference school late in the game, it's often because the kid came into his own physically, whether in height or weight or both. Why do you think so many people are double reclassing their kids now? Their size advantage sticks out and college coaches love it. Like it or not, it's the first thing they look for, even before skill.
Not True. Stick Skills and ability to play at high speed is what coaches are looking at. Large Defenders can be exploited by small attackers if they don't have great footwork and mobility.
I heard the UNC coach talk about recruiting a few weeks ago and he said a few interesting things:
1. He is starting to back away from the recruiting of freshman, they have lost several early recruits and he feels (and he hopes) that the trend is going to start to go later because of it.
2. When describing what they look for, the first thing out of his mouth was "big and strong", then a dad asked about smaller guys and he said, if they can run like the wind, then yes there is a place. He then mentioned Sankey who was working at the camp.
I heard the UNC coach talk about recruiting a few weeks ago and he said a few interesting things:
1. He is starting to back away from the recruiting of freshman, they have lost several early recruits and he feels (and he hopes) that the trend is going to start to go later because of it.
2. When describing what they look for, the first thing out of his mouth was "big and strong", then a dad asked about smaller guys and he said, if they can run like the wind, then yes there is a place. He then mentioned Sankey who was working at the camp.
He is a hypocrite and full of sh--
I believe that UNC is maybe rethinking it because they have had several guys reneg on their verbals. That said, they, UVA and Hopkins are at the forefront of the early recruiting fiasco, so his words are disingenuous.
I believe that UNC is maybe rethinking it because they have had several guys reneg on their verbals. That said, they, UVA and Hopkins are at the forefront of the early recruiting fiasco, so his words are disingenuous.
He will probably be looking for another job if he continues down the road he is on
I heard the UNC coach talk about recruiting a few weeks ago and he said a few interesting things:
1. He is starting to back away from the recruiting of freshman, they have lost several early recruits and he feels (and he hopes) that the trend is going to start to go later because of it.
2. When describing what they look for, the first thing out of his mouth was "big and strong", then a dad asked about smaller guys and he said, if they can run like the wind, then yes there is a place. He then mentioned Sankey who was working at the camp.
He is a hypocrite and full of sh--
It is the "I have to do it because they do it" defense.
I heard the UNC coach talk about recruiting a few weeks ago and he said a few interesting things:
1. He is starting to back away from the recruiting of freshman, they have lost several early recruits and he feels (and he hopes) that the trend is going to start to go later because of it.
2. When describing what they look for, the first thing out of his mouth was "big and strong", then a dad asked about smaller guys and he said, if they can run like the wind, then yes there is a place. He then mentioned Sankey who was working at the camp.
1. UNC committed a 2019 recently. So I don't think anything has changed. They are having a 2019 prospect day in October so it seems like they are still very active. They may wish it would change but until Starsia and Petro change tactics it wont.
2. UNC loses recruits who commit early when their grades improve and are now able to get into a better quality school. They pick up recruits from lower quality schools or when kids at the higher schools don't have grades and trade down.
3. UNC recruits all sizes of players. Last year they had kids ranging in size from 5-5 to 6-6. Common denominator is stick skills and ability to play at high speed. The coach does have a preference for athletic kids, although not sure that has really made a difference against other top 10 teams they play.
4. UNC Coach is in the business of making money from camps and does a great job at that.
5. The top Long Island kids will always be recruited by the ACC schools. So keep working hard.
Anyone know what is the breakdown for the 2017 Express teams? I know at least 2 teams invites went out yesterday and trying to figure out if $2,600 makes sense.
Anyone know what is the breakdown for the 2017 Express teams? I know at least 2 teams invites went out yesterday and trying to figure out if $2,600 makes sense.
2 teams A and B. Jack Moran is the head coach of the B team.
U have do be a total idiot to play on either team
Interesting that 5/25 of the 5 star prospects in the class play for express. No other LI team repressed there.
Interesting that 5/25 of the 5 star prospects in the class play for express. No other LI team repressed there.
If you haven't figured out by now, there is a relationship between the guy who runs the website and the Turtles. Not taking any thing away from the kids they are all fantastic, but I can name 25 other kids who are just as good if not better than the kids he listed.
I suppose UVA is paying him since they have 5 guys in there
Interesting that 5/25 of the 5 star prospects in the class play for express. No other LI team repressed there.
You mean the Turtles.....
How do you explain that one??? ...
Easy.... they are all Turtles
for express 2017 team this year you can't just sign up for their tryout you have to be invited or can you still go on the website and sign up?
for express 2017 team this year you can't just sign up for their tryout you have to be invited or can you still go on the website and sign up?
Channy has to call you. If you don't hear from him by next week give him a call. I am sure he will be happy to take your money.
for express 2017 team this year you can't just sign up for their tryout you have to be invited or can you still go on the website and sign up?
Invite only, no try outs for 2017
Interesting that 5/25 of the 5 star prospects in the class play for express. No other LI team repressed there.
You mean the Turtles.....
How do you explain that one??? ...
Easy.... they are all Turtles
No other LI boys considered 5 star recruits in this age group? Can't argue with the boys picked! Big accolade for Express
Interesting that 5/25 of the 5 star prospects in the class play for express. No other LI team repressed there.
You mean the Turtles.....
How do you explain that one??? ...
Easy.... they are all Turtles
No other LI boys considered 5 star recruits in this age group? Can't argue with the boys picked! Big accolade for Express
It is just one persons opinion. The Long Island kids are deserving of respect. I question a number of the others on the list.
How were the early season tryout figures or the clubs. Considering all the chatter I am assuming the numbers for the 2017 years are down?
Could be worst, we played TB 2017 in a showcase, and the coach was screaming kids names out and telling them do get off the field, your playing like crap, now why would anyone go back to that idiot.9vnvas
That's exactly what you want in front Coaches... Yikes
That joe cat for ya!!!!!
Curious.......who won the game???
who cares.....not any coaches who might be watching. You think they keep score?
HA....that gave me a good laugh. TB has spanked you everytime they played you since they started. in fact they practically shut you out in that showcase u speak of....how do you think that looked in front of ALL those coaches
Actually, TB lost that game to LI Tide, so it made Tide look great "in front of ALL those coaches
All 3 coaches...love it..Who cares..Both teams have really good kids..Who really cares who wins a game like that is the parents..some weird thing they have to justify something..move on man..more to life to worry about. alot of those kids are friends..let it go
I only count 15 LI Boys on Ty's Top 100 2017.
I only count 15 LI Boys on Ty's Top 100 2017.
Mostly Turtles! Many of them fell off from last year.
These lists are fun to read, but if you take them seriously your crazy. Too many kids playing across the country. I'm sure there are 100 more just as good.
without a doubt there are 100 more at least.
I only count 15 LI Boys on Ty's Top 100 2017.
you are wrong. There is more
I only count 15 LI Boys on Ty's Top 100 2017.
Mostly Turtles! Many of them fell off from last year.
2-Smithtown East
1-GC
2-Chaminade
1-Hills East
1-Hills West
1-Commack
1-Plainedge
1-Mt Sinai
2-CSH
3-Manhasset
1-Sachem North
1-Syosset
17 total
I only count 15 LI Boys on Ty's Top 100 2017.
Mostly Turtles! Many of them fell off from last year.
2-Smithtown East
1-GC
2-Chaminade
1-Hills East
1-Hills West
1-Commack
1-Plainedge
1-Mt Sinai
2-CSH
3-Manhasset
1-Sachem North
1-Syosset
17 total
That's much lower than last year, wonder how the 2016 list will look, being released today.
I only count 15 LI Boys on Ty's Top 100 2017.
Mostly Turtles! Many of them fell off from last year.
2-Smithtown East
1-GC
2-Chaminade
1-Hills East
1-Hills West
1-Commack
1-Plainedge
1-Mt Sinai
2-CSH
3-Manhasset
1-Sachem North
1-Syosset
17 total
There is a Westchester kid who played for the Express for many years on the list. So I would count it as 18.
I only count 15 LI Boys on Ty's Top 100 2017.
Mostly Turtles! Many of them fell off from last year.
2-Smithtown East
1-GC
2-Chaminade
1-Hills East
1-Hills West
1-Commack
1-Plainedge
1-Mt Sinai
2-CSH
3-Manhasset
1-Sachem North
1-Syosset
17 total
There is a Westchester kid who played for the Express for many years on the list. So I would count it as 18.
18 out of 100 is pretty darn good when you consider how many top notch lacrosse players there are. I don't think this guy really has studied the players in Long Island that much though. There are so many more great kids on the Island that are not included. He has a point of view which is fine but I think it is biased toward Maryland and he is promoting emerging areas as well.
People complain about Ty X all the time now he's biasd against Long Island
Only 11 LI boys on 2016 ranking top 100.
Only 11 LI boys on 2016 ranking top 100.
All American kid from LI were not on the list, surely not fool proof
apparently heavily influenced by club relationships. Not truly unbiased...
Leading Edge, Crabs and Dukes all pitch in to pay Ty's rent. Turtles used to but got wise to his ineptitude
I'll bet he hasn't seen most of them play. Two of the LI kids aren't even the top players on their HS team, nevermind the country. I'm sure it's the same with the rest of the kids on list.
I'll bet he hasn't seen most of them play. Two of the LI kids aren't even the top players on their HS team, nevermind the country. I'm sure it's the same with the rest of the kids on list.
I have to disagree with you. And I hate to defend him but Xanders IS at all these bigger events. I have seen him at least three times this summer at big events.
And, not sure what two LI kids you are talking about, but if you are standing out & excelling at these bigger events competing against very strong players all summer with your club team, well HS dont matter at that point.
I'll bet he hasn't seen most of them play. Two of the LI kids aren't even the top players on their HS team, nevermind the country. I'm sure it's the same with the rest of the kids on list.
I have to disagree with you. And I hate to defend him but Xanders IS at all these bigger events. I have seen him at least three times this summer at big events.
And, not sure what two LI kids you are talking about, but if you are standing out & excelling at these bigger events competing against very strong players all summer with your club team, well HS dont matter at that point.
Good morning Peggy
Could you please pick up Kevin a bacon egg and cheese with hot sauce on a roll from LarryMiller's. And a chicken cutlet with barbecue sauce on a role for Donald.
Well said. Could not agree more. Competition at elite summer events is much greater than any high school competition. Most high school coaches have no clue.
No one is picking on poor Ty...
He is a kid trying to make a name for himself and that should be respected.
As far as his credibility, I am sure he is writting what he thinks is correct, but that doesn't mean he is.
Look at his updated commitment pages with rankings, lots of boys not mentioned (perhaps not seen) by Ty are committed to play big time college lax...
No one is picking on poor Ty...
He is a kid trying to make a name for himself and that should be respected.
As far as his credibility, I am sure he is writting what he thinks is correct, but that doesn't mean he is.
Look at his updated commitment pages with rankings, lots of boys not mentioned (perhaps not seen) by Ty are committed to play big time college lax...
If you didnt play in the summer, or played at lesser events than I would guess that could happen.
Can anyone give feedback on the Inside Lacrosse recruiting team events this summer. Trying to decide whether it's worth going to the individual events this fall. How was the college coach turn out?
No one is picking on poor Ty...
He is a kid trying to make a name for himself and that should be respected.
As far as his credibility, I am sure he is writting what he thinks is correct, but that doesn't mean he is.
Look at his updated commitment pages with rankings, lots of boys not mentioned (perhaps not seen) by Ty are committed to play big time college lax...
I agree with this, Ty has a point of view. However, if your on a club team and have been playing for 7 or 8 years you have seen all these kids as well and can form your own opinion as well. Without naming names, I think anyone who has any experience on Long Island would obviously beg to differ with some of the players he has rated high and some he has completely left off the list. Honestly, the players themselves will tell you the ratings are not accurate.
Can anyone give feedback on the Inside Lacrosse recruiting team events this summer. Trying to decide whether it's worth going to the individual events this fall. How was the college coach turn out?
My son plays with lots of kids here on LI that are already committed as Sophs & JRs, not one that we know of went to those IL events. I dont know much about it but the better guys here really didnt go to their events. Hope that helps.
Everyone has their own opinions. The kid watches enough lacrosse that a good amount of it is spot on and there are always going to be plenty of people who may disagree but there's a decent success rate for the most part. Who did he even "miss" from LI?
Won't give your son's name?
No, I guess you are right. He nailed it........Your kid is on it so it must be correct.
I heard from friends and I'm trying to confirm the rumour that a few members of the JV lacrosse team at St Anthony's(class of 2017) have left and are heading to Public Schools. At least 1 starter, possibly 2. Anyone?
I heard from friends and I'm trying to confirm the rumour that a few members of the JV lacrosse team at St Anthony's(class of 2017) have left and are heading to Public Schools. At least 1 starter, possibly 2. Anyone?
Is true know one that left for S East to play football aND lax
I know of another that was committed and told by the college they didn't care if he left and went to public.
I know of another that was committed and told by the college they didn't care if he left and went to public.
Heard he wasnt starting either yr and i think the dad started to panic
I know of another that was committed and told by the college they didn't care if he left and went to public.
Heard he wasnt starting either yr and i think the dad started to panic
What HS is (or was) the player at and what position does the young man play?
I know of another that was committed and told by the college they didn't care if he left and went to public.
Heard he wasnt starting either yr and i think the dad started to panic
What HS is (or was) the player at and what position does the young man play?
WHO CARES?!?!?!? People these are young men leave them alone! I mean really how does this effect you????
I know of another that was committed and told by the college they didn't care if he left and went to public.
Heard he wasnt starting either yr and i think the dad started to panic
What HS is (or was) the player at and what position does the young man play?
WHO CARES?!?!?!? People these are young men leave them alone! I mean really how does this effect you????
You are correct i agree
I know of another that was committed and told by the college they didn't care if he left and went to public.
Heard he wasnt starting either yr and i think the dad started to panic
What HS is (or was) the player at and what position does the young man play?
I know of another that was committed and told by the college they didn't care if he left and went to public.
Heard he wasnt starting either yr and i think the dad started to panic
What HS is (or was) the player at and what position does the young man play?
Doesn't this show the perils of such early commitments?
I know of another that was committed and told by the college they didn't care if he left and went to public.
Heard he wasnt starting either yr and i think the dad started to panic
What HS is (or was) the player at and what position does the young man play?
Doesn't this show the perils of such early commitments?
Nope. Players in all sports change HS's and Colleges every year, for years.
College coaches are in for some major disappointments with some of there early recruits. Walk on's will be the wave of the future.
College coaches are in for some major disappointments with some of there early recruits. Walk on's will be the wave of the future.
Don't get crazy now....they can always just stockpile the kids on 50 man rosters
College coaches are in for some major disappointments with some of there early recruits. Walk on's will be the wave of the future.
Spoken like a mom or dad who's kid isn't committed yet, stop the envy.
Your "walk on" comment shows your lack of knowledge in recruiting or NCAA lacrosse.
College coaches are in for some major disappointments with some of there early recruits. Walk on's will be the wave of the future.
Spoken like a mom or dad who's kid isn't committed yet, stop the envy.
Your "walk on" comment shows your lack of knowledge in recruiting or NCAA lacrosse.
Please enlighten us. Are you saying there will be no room for walk-ons if a walk-on can demonstrate superior ability over a recruited player in his/her same position?
I know of another that was committed and told by the college they didn't care if he left and went to public.
Heard he wasnt starting either yr and i think the dad started to panic
The kids and family were probably just sick of MC . Can you blame them?
I know of another that was committed and told by the college they didn't care if he left and went to public.
Heard he wasnt starting either yr and i think the dad started to panic
The kids and family were probably just sick of MC . Can you blame them?
VERY sure it wasnt that. SA jrs have nothing to do with MC
College coaches are in for some major disappointments with some of there early recruits. Walk on's will be the wave of the future.
Spoken like a mom or dad who's kid isn't committed yet, stop the envy.
Your "walk on" comment shows your lack of knowledge in recruiting or NCAA lacrosse.
Please enlighten us. Are you saying there will be no room for walk-ons if a walk-on can demonstrate superior ability over a recruited player in his/her same position?
Good luck with that gameplan.
College coaches are in for some major disappointments with some of there early recruits. Walk on's will be the wave of the future.
Spoken like a mom or dad who's kid isn't committed yet, stop the envy.
Your "walk on" comment shows your lack of knowledge in recruiting or NCAA lacrosse.
Please enlighten us. Are you saying there will be no room for walk-ons if a walk-on can demonstrate superior ability over a recruited player in his/her same position?
Good luck with that gameplan.
the wave of the future will be the stud athlete that only had a stick in their hand for two or three years. lacrosse is an easy game to pick up...athleticism is bred.
College coaches are in for some major disappointments with some of there early recruits. Walk on's will be the wave of the future.
Spoken like a mom or dad who's kid isn't committed yet, stop the envy.
Your "walk on" comment shows your lack of knowledge in recruiting or NCAA lacrosse.
Please enlighten us. Are you saying there will be no room for walk-ons if a walk-on can demonstrate superior ability over a recruited player in his/her same position?
Good luck with that gameplan.
the wave of the future will be the stud athlete that only had a stick in their hand for two or three years. lacrosse is an easy game to pick up...athleticism is bred.
That's funny, clearly you don't know much about lacrosse
College coaches are in for some major disappointments with some of there early recruits. Walk on's will be the wave of the future.
Spoken like a mom or dad who's kid isn't committed yet, stop the envy.
Your "walk on" comment shows your lack of knowledge in recruiting or NCAA lacrosse.
Please enlighten us. Are you saying there will be no room for walk-ons if a walk-on can demonstrate superior ability over a recruited player in his/her same position?
Good luck with that gameplan.
the wave of the future will be the stud athlete that only had a stick in their hand for two or three years. lacrosse is an easy game to pick up...athleticism is bred.
I guess that's why those Canadians with Insane stick skills are doing so well in D1. Surely, it nothing to do with those skills. Athleticism may be bred, but stick skill are learned and worked on. Average athlete with insane stick skills, trumps pure athleticism all the time. Trust me, my son is one of the fastest kids on his college team, and fights for play time. Good luck.
IMO - the Canucks are great players and skilled but let's keep it real - they are part of the hockey community and think nothing of holding kids back - they are great no doubt but typically older.....
IMO - the Canucks are great players and skilled but let's keep it real - they are part of the hockey community and think nothing of holding kids back - they are great no doubt but typically older.....
Agreed. Yet no older than all of the kids from MD, PA and Mass.
BTW you can't holdback in hockey, all age based.
College coaches are in for some major disappointments with some of there early recruits. Walk on's will be the wave of the future.
Spoken like a mom or dad who's kid isn't committed yet, stop the envy.
Your "walk on" comment shows your lack of knowledge in recruiting or NCAA lacrosse.
Please enlighten us. Are you saying there will be no room for walk-ons if a walk-on can demonstrate superior ability over a recruited player in his/her same position?
Good luck with that gameplan.
the wave of the future will be the stud athlete that only had a stick in their hand for two or three years. lacrosse is an easy game to pick up...athleticism is bred.
Stick Skills and ability to play at high speed are what matter. It takes many years to develop that combination.
As a parent of a committed D1 player and a second with many offers on the table, I agree, lacrosse is an easy game. If you are athletic you can pick it up pretty quickly. I also believe that if you are taking an NCAA circulum and you are great but are not sure of school work and a sport and a coach is getting you for free, yes walk-ones are welcome. My nephew just walked onto a D1 school this fall.
My kids hates guarding the fast athletic kid, that always
Goes to his strong hand and doesn't look to pass,
Lol
IMO - the Canucks are great players and skilled but let's keep it real - they are part of the hockey community and think nothing of holding kids back - they are great no doubt but typically older.....
Funny, both box and field lax in Canada are strictly age-based. So where did they get the idea to hold back kids for club lacrosse tourneys in the US? Make the Crabs and Dukes follow some rules and the Canadians will follow them too.
Reclassing happens because college coaches simply want to be able to compare kids within a class. Whether a kids is older or younger than another kids is immaterial. They simply want the best kids possible in each class. Same things happen in football, basketball, etc.
Crying about reclassing is pointless. It would only change if college coaches decided that they were concerned about the actual ages of the kids they recruit.
They don't.
lets talk about the Legacy Tournament this weekend.
The class of the tournament is north of Long Island.
Primetime & Eclipse will dominate the LI teams.
Primetime average at best, Eclipse a step above them...EOM
Primetime average at best, Eclipse a step above them...EOM
what about team 11?
That is a pretty bad tournament. The best teams are in LI and the MidAtlantic and that is too far for them to travel.
Eclipse is a very good team and easily the best in that field.
Some excellent posts. I wouldn't write any late bloomer off. This is the Wild West. This 2017 class broke the levee and the classes filled up at light speed. Kids who were little guys in 9th grade are not projecting well at all. In D1 high level like ACC play you can be super fast small at attack. The rest of the positions, there's just no way. It's like trying to get Rudy on the field for more than the last play. Ain't going to happen for a 5'8 or 5'9 middie or defender or goalie. Those positions you'll always see good athletes with more physical stature. Some programs are just screwed with early recruits and they know it. De-committing is going to blow out, and it won't just be kids changing their minds. It will be coaches counseling kids to look for a new home. Kid gets to save face. Next big trend won't be dumping low tier for upper tier. It will be kids de-committing from Hop, Duke, UVA and UNC because they were dumped. Some assistants at those programs know to be out looking for 2017s and even 2016s. They care about winning and their jobs, not the non-binding commitments they made to 9th graders.
Some excellent posts. I wouldn't write any late bloomer off. This is the Wild West. This 2017 class broke the levee and the classes filled up at light speed. Kids who were little guys in 9th grade are not projecting well at all. In D1 high level like ACC play you can be super fast small at attack. The rest of the positions, there's just no way. It's like trying to get Rudy on the field for more than the last play. Ain't going to happen for a 5'8 or 5'9 middie or defender or goalie. Those positions you'll always see good athletes with more physical stature. Some programs are just screwed with early recruits and they know it. De-committing is going to blow out, and it won't just be kids changing their minds. It will be coaches counseling kids to look for a new home. Kid gets to save face. Next big trend won't be dumping low tier for upper tier. It will be kids de-committing from Hop, Duke, UVA and UNC because they were dumped. Some assistants at those programs know to be out looking for 2017s and even 2016s. They care about winning and their jobs, not the non-binding commitments they made to 9th graders.
Silly post!
There isn't a doubt that ER is idiotic on many levels. The recruiting quality of it is already showing some serious flaws. I think the people who disagree with that are Volleyball Boy Xanders and some pretty defensive parents of kids who won the 9th grade Gong Show.
There isn't a doubt that ER is idiotic on many levels. The recruiting quality of it is already showing some serious flaws. I think the people who disagree with that are Volleyball Boy Xanders and some pretty defensive parents of kids who won the 9th grade Gong Show.
Funny ty put my kid on radar in 9th, now he is one of the most respected in his position. This,is true for most. Sorry if your kid didn't keep working. You can blame it on age, height, etc. Bottom line, kids that get their job done will be recognized. Take your 2x 6'3" lazy [lacrosse] holdback and keep looking for ways for daddy to get him recruited. Pathetic!
Ty Xanders is very good. Just pay him and he will attend your tournament and write about your kids.
I am not a fan of early recruiting either but just take a look at the '18 and '19 classes - the pace of early recruiting appears to be accelerating if anything. Please explain why you have no doubt that it is idiotic as more and more top schools continue to do it. Denver Maryland and Cuse has jumped into the fray when just two years ago they were not involved. The emergence of the Big Ten now pits more teams against the ACC regarding early recruiting. I suspect it continues at a very fast pace.
Don't kid yourselves if you don't think the coaches are looking at 2020's already...soon enough we will see Pietramala hanging around the middle school tournaments!
Don't kid yourselves if you don't think the coaches are looking at 2020's already...soon enough we will see Pietramala hanging around the middle school tournaments!
I saw him in Massapequa.
I am not a fan of early recruiting either but just take a look at the '18 and '19 classes - the pace of early recruiting appears to be accelerating if anything. Please explain why you have no doubt that it is idiotic as more and more top schools continue to do it. Denver Maryland and Cuse has jumped into the fray when just two years ago they were not involved. The emergence of the Big Ten now pits more teams against the ACC regarding early recruiting. I suspect it continues at a very fast pace.
Like the old saying in the investments world, it works until it doesn't work. We have no idea how good or bad ER is in terms of quality. Over next 2-3 years that plays out and we will know. My bet is you'll see programs like Drexel and Towson greatly benefitting from missing out or sitting out the early game. A lot of these coaches are very popular with their ADs and alums, but another 2-3 years of no FF and no ACC titles in Chapel Hill and Charlottesville, and...??? I too suspect it will continue and get even more extreme, and then blow up.
There will also be a major trend of early commits changing schools. Parents panicking for the early commit and just jumping on any offer. Then they realize the school they chose really wasn't a good fit or the kid didn't have the grades after 3 years in High School and will just commit elsewhere.
I love how you all can never get thru five pages without mentioning Ty. I thought you couldnt stand the kid?
There will also be a major trend of early commits changing schools. Parents panicking for the early commit and just jumping on any offer. Then they realize the school they chose really wasn't a good fit or the kid didn't have the grades after 3 years in High School and will just commit elsewhere.
So what? Been happening in every sport imaginable. Now what?
1) you have to mention Ty, he is part of the problem with the recruiting craze and he is making $ from it
2) You have to expect early commits to change...boys change interests, many are tied to a certain GPA, burnout...I think it is healthy and as the recruiting goes earlier, the more it will happen. Coaches know it and plan accordingly.
No, it is not silly. This poster is spot on. Fasten your seatbelts.
1) you have to mention Ty, he is part of the problem with the recruiting craze and he is making $ from it
2) You have to expect early commits to change...boys change interests, many are tied to a certain GPA, burnout...I think it is healthy and as the recruiting goes earlier, the more it will happen. Coaches know it and plan accordingly.
1) you have to mention Ty, he is part of the problem with the recruiting craze and he is making $ from it
2) You have to expect early commits to change...boys change interests, many are tied to a certain GPA, burnout...I think it is healthy and as the recruiting goes earlier, the more it will happen. Coaches know it and plan accordingly.
There are hundreds of people making money off the recruiting craze, and more than just a couple hundred bucks a weekend like I'm sure Xanders is. Look at how many more club/tournament guys have become full-time in lax over the past few years.
Is the fl$ 2018/17 team going to fl$ in 3d a team of committed high school players?
Is the fl$ 2018/17 team going to fl$ in 3d a team of committed high school players?
It is not.
Although I agree with you that the best kids are being recognized, you cant be naive enough to think that Xanders isnt being paid by clubs and even parents to write up their clubs and kids. He has to pay rent doesnt he? If you look at his write ups, a large majority of them come from the same clubs, very rarely will you see a kid from an outside club. This isnt sour grapes and I couldnt care less whether he thinks my son can play as my son is committed and his new Coach thinks he can play obviously, but look for yourself its blatantly obvious that he is favoring certain clubs and kids.
Is the fl$ 2018/17 team going to fl$ in 3d a team of committed high school players?
It is not.
Thanks, saw that fl$ was putting together a committed team for summer 2016 and was wondering if this was the same from 2015, if one existed. Good luck, Hope the tournament is successful.
Is the fl$ 2018/17 team going to fl$ in 3d a team of committed high school players?
It is not.
Thanks, saw that fl$ was putting together a committed team for summer 2016 and was wondering if this was the same from 2015, if one existed. Good luck, Hope the tournament is successful.
No. The 2016 grads will not be on the team. The fl$ Committed team from 2015 season was comprised of 2016 and 2017 graduates.
These club tournaments are starting to look like garbage in, garbage out. I know Sweetlax and fl$ and the others have good players in their clubs but this spamming out teams into so many events makes the events just worse. There is a Sweetlax team going to this fl$ thing, but it seems like a party gift suprise when we get there if it will be "the real deal" Sweetlax team.
Club lacrosse has become a total joke for kids when they get further into high school. I no longer believe that this is where my kid can be challenged in good competition and improve. We're looking into Canadian juniors next summer in search of a spark. Anyone else have bright ideas?
This isn't aimed at any club, just club lacrosse in general guys. Quite honestly if that fantastic 2017s Turtles team is still together, I feel kind of bad for them. There isn't enough of an effort by clubs to put any good 2016 or 2017 teams this past summer, this fall or going ahead because they are marketing organizations focused on recruiting and recruiting is basically all done by soph year now. So juniors and seniors can play for their school and then slum around these crappy club tourneys for 2 1/2 years? No thanks.
I think you should definitely goto Canada. See yah...
These club tournaments are starting to look like garbage in, garbage out. I know Sweetlax and fl$ and the others have good players in their clubs but this spamming out teams into so many events makes the events just worse. There is a Sweetlax team going to this fl$ thing, but it seems like a party gift suprise when we get there if it will be "the real deal" Sweetlax team.
Club lacrosse has become a total joke for kids when they get further into high school. I no longer believe that this is where my kid can be challenged in good competition and improve. We're looking into Canadian juniors next summer in search of a spark. Anyone else have bright ideas?
This isn't aimed at any club, just club lacrosse in general guys. Quite honestly if that fantastic 2017s Turtles team is still together, I feel kind of bad for them. There isn't enough of an effort by clubs to put any good 2016 or 2017 teams this past summer, this fall or going ahead because they are marketing organizations focused on recruiting and recruiting is basically all done by soph year now. So juniors and seniors can play for their school and then slum around these crappy club tourneys for 2 1/2 years? No thanks.
Maybe kids should start skipping grades instead of repeating them... Try and get to college as soon as possible so they can continue playing competitive lacrosse.
Where can you find competitive lacrosse as a rising junior or senior? High School lacrosse is a joke, there are only a few competitive teams in each devision. If the club circuit has now been watered down where should the top kids play in order to stay sharp?
Kids that are going on to play at the highest level need to play against the best competition in order to prepare for the college game.
If what you say is true, the current lacrosse environment does not appear to provide many options.
Agree with the decline in the quality of high school club lacrosse with the emphasis put on the recruiting tournaments. I prefer the tournaments where the emphasis is on winning the game and proceeding to a championship game. Correct - the college coaches / recruiters don't care who won the game, but they want to see the best teams play which typically will have the best talent.
Anyone know how fl$ 2017 is going to be this year?
I don't believe they fl$ tryouts have been had for the 2017 class as of yet.
I think people in LI have better choices than we do in MD. In LI the public school leagues are so good, you have a lot of competition and opportunities for the high schools to provide informal training or even informal teams in fall or in indoors winter seasons. I've also seen some LI publics doing summer tournaments. Generally speaking, kids in MD are either in an expensive day prep to get access to that, or needs to try to find it somewhere else. And club lacrosse is a bad somewhere else so far as training and development are concerned. A lot of kids just tune club lacrosse out in high school because with the prep dropouts from club, the level of play goes down fast. And even the prep kids aren't playing or training much in summer. 2 events with 2-3 practices ahead of the events might equal seven days on the field in June, July. I know kids do showcases (which ar even more of a joke) but that just isn't sufficient to get better.
It is no wonder to me that the success rate of seeing the field and doing well is much higher for LI kids versus other areas, including MD.
From what I have witnessed over the past three years watching 2018's is that the Long Island kids are just a tougher, grittier group of kids. The standout Baltimore and DMV (DC, MD, VA) kids are primarily private school kids that fail to match the LI kids intensity! Then you throw in the factor that LI is less influenced by the number of holdbacks - makes the difference more impressive!
I think people in LI have better choices than we do in MD. In LI the public school leagues are so good, you have a lot of competition and opportunities for the high schools to provide informal training or even informal teams in fall or in indoors winter seasons. I've also seen some LI publics doing summer tournaments. Generally speaking, kids in MD are either in an expensive day prep to get access to that, or needs to try to find it somewhere else. And club lacrosse is a bad somewhere else so far as training and development are concerned. A lot of kids just tune club lacrosse out in high school because with the prep dropouts from club, the level of play goes down fast. And even the prep kids aren't playing or training much in summer. 2 events with 2-3 practices ahead of the events might equal seven days on the field in June, July. I know kids do showcases (which ar even more of a joke) but that just isn't sufficient to get better.
It is no wonder to me that the success rate of seeing the field and doing well is much higher for LI kids versus other areas, including MD.
Hi, LI Dad!
haha....you definitely caught a LI dad or Mom here
I think people in LI have better choices than we do in MD. In LI the public school leagues are so good, you have a lot of competition and opportunities for the high schools to provide informal training or even informal teams in fall or in indoors winter seasons. I've also seen some LI publics doing summer tournaments. Generally speaking, kids in MD are either in an expensive day prep to get access to that, or needs to try to find it somewhere else. And club lacrosse is a bad somewhere else so far as training and development are concerned. A lot of kids just tune club lacrosse out in high school because with the prep dropouts from club, the level of play goes down fast. And even the prep kids aren't playing or training much in summer. 2 events with 2-3 practices ahead of the events might equal seven days on the field in June, July. I know kids do showcases (which ar even more of a joke) but that just isn't sufficient to get better.
It is no wonder to me that the success rate of seeing the field and doing well is much higher for LI kids versus other areas, including MD.
The population of Long Island as of 2014 was 7.8 million, the population of Maryland as of 2014 was 5.9 million...let's drill it down a bit further...being that the bulk of the private schools in Baltimore come from the Balt Metro area, we can up the population to 2.3 million...Please give the LI lacrosse is better mantra a rest...bigger population to chooses from, greater number of schools with quality lacrosse..come play in the MIAA and see what quality lacrosse is about. Expand a bit further and we have the DC and NOVA schools (Landon, Gtown Prep and Gonzaga which all play MIAA schools throughout the year)...a lot better brand of lacrosse in the Mid Atlantic in a far small pool of schools. Don't get me wrong, LI lacrosse is outstanding but it is an apples to oranges comparison.
The population of Long Island as of 2014 was 7.8 million, the population of Maryland as of 2014 was 5.9 million...let's drill it down a bit further...being that the bulk of the private schools in Baltimore come from the Balt Metro area, we can up the population to 2.3 million...Please give the LI lacrosse is better mantra a rest...bigger population to chooses from, greater number of schools with quality lacrosse..come play in the MIAA and see what quality lacrosse is about. Expand a bit further and we have the DC and NOVA schools (Landon, Gtown Prep and Gonzaga which all play MIAA schools throughout the year)...a lot better brand of lacrosse in the Mid Atlantic in a far small pool of schools. Don't get me wrong, LI lacrosse is outstanding but it is an apples to oranges comparison. [/quote]
The population stat you are referring to is for all of LI. That includes parts of Brooklyn and Queens. The part of LI that plays lacrosse is Nassau and Suffolk counties. The combined population of both counties is approximately 2.7mm people - the same as Baltimore Metro area you speak of. Please get your facts right (or learn how to use google).
So I guess LI lacrosse is better. By the way, there is not a lot of lacrosse being played in Brooklyn or Queens...
You do realize that the Brooklyn Bridge connects LI to Manhattan...
When you talk about MD lacrosse, you are talking about 10 teams and really 6-5 of those teams are consistently good...talent on LI is spread out across a greater cross section of teams, both public and private. As an experiment, maybe Chaminade of St Anthony's or Manhasset or Massapequa should come down and play a consistent schedule in the MIAA and see how they fare? GC comes down and wins a game here and there, unlikely any LI team wins on a consistent basis...continue playing your cupcake schedules and going to Sprats on the Water to celebrate the wins!
You do realize that the Brooklyn Bridge connects LI to Manhattan...
Is that why so many kids from LI wear gold chains and capezios?
When you talk about MD lacrosse, you are talking about 10 teams and really 6-5 of those teams are consistently good...talent on LI is spread out across a greater cross section of teams, both public and private. As an experiment, maybe Chaminade of St Anthony's or Manhasset or Massapequa should come down and play a consistent schedule in the MIAA and see how they fare? GC comes down and wins a game here and there, unlikely any LI team wins on a consistent basis...continue playing your cupcake schedules and going to Sprats on the Water to celebrate the wins!
love that sprats reference, but you know that joint closed down years ago, back when you could afford to live on LI.
In Maryland you have 4-5 MIAA schools that are loaded up and concentrated with the top kids in the Baltimore area. In the DMV you again have 4-5 either IAC or WCAC teams that are a concentrated pool of top local kids. After that those leagues have an ugly bottom half and the public school leagues are terrible.
People can post all day long that "only" a few publics in LI can compete at the high MIAA level. The point is there are 30+ townships that have very good public school teams. Maryland and DMV taken together don't have 5. I also think that the top DMV and MIAA teams have started to lose fairly consistently to the Philly preps coming down to play. Maryland lacrosse has been in decline for the last 5-8 years. I think a lot of that has to do with the growth of the game lifting the competition, but also just that the clubs in Maryland do a lousy job developing talent relative to LI and Philly.
In Maryland you have 4-5 MIAA schools that are loaded up and concentrated with the top kids in the Baltimore area. In the DMV you again have 4-5 either IAC or WCAC teams that are a concentrated pool of top local kids. After that those leagues have an ugly bottom half and the public school leagues are terrible.
People can post all day long that "only" a few publics in LI can compete at the high MIAA level. The point is there are 30+ townships that have very good public school teams. Maryland and DMV taken together don't have 5. I also think that the top DMV and MIAA teams have started to lose fairly consistently to the Philly preps coming down to play. Maryland lacrosse has been in decline for the last 5-8 years. I think a lot of that has to do with the growth of the game lifting the competition, but also just that the clubs in Maryland do a lousy job developing talent relative to LI and Philly.
Translation: LI dad says MD bad, LI good.
Btw GC has won the last 2 years against St Paul's and I would guess has a winning record against the MIAA - biggest problem with MIAA teams is their lack of willingness to travel to LI - they just won't. I saw Calvert Hall is looking for a game but only on a home base scenario - when was the last time a MIAA ventured up to Long Island - has it ever occurred?
The MD people wont drive here. Their leased range rovers would breakdown on 95 north and they would sit on side of 95 crying for help. They wouldn't want to get their sailing outfits dirty.
The MD people wont drive here. Their leased range rovers would breakdown on 95 north and they would sit on side of 95 crying for help. They wouldn't want to get their sailing outfits dirty.
* crickets *
Maryland people won't go anywhere. Lots of drama to go 90 mins north to Philly. The MIAA teams won't go there to play games either. None are as lame as the IAC teams who duck Hill and Culver when those two come through the mid-Atlantic...seems like Georgetown Prep and Landon love bragging about rankings, but both also have and annual case of the Peterborough Flu each may.
I'll take lame for $400, Alex.
In the last three years, Hill has played:
Landon
Bullis
SSSAS
In the last three years, Culver has played:
Landon
It looks like Hill has more openings to play IAC teams than does Culver. But regardless, your statement is not factually correct.
See what you did there. Misleading. Landon dropped games with Culver and Hill 2 years ago. Tired of losing. Ditto that Bullis and SSSAS. They can't win and don't want to play Hill or Culver anymore.
Only DMV or Baltimore team with the stones to play Culver and Hill on their spring swing is Gonzaga.
Factually correct is the IAC "powers"will auto drop any team that beats them in consecutive years. In their own minds the winner of that conference is the #1 team in the country and a bubble wrap around it is best. Of course the easy thing to try and pass is a few of those teams played Hill and Culver in past 3 years. Bullis and SSSAS haven't played Hill after getting smoked 3 years ago, and Landon dropped Culver and Hill two years ago when they got tired of losing at home. Last year the smoke and mirrors worked for Landon to be ranked #2 for all high schools, which was hard to lobby for considering they lost to a California team as the only team that rolled through DC and could get a game with Landon. The way it is supposed to work is they market their way to be #1 in the pre-season and then play a lame OOC schedule. If they can win their league, then hey we're #1.
I'll take lame for $600, Alex.
What was that garbage LI brought to Philly Showcase yest? Express and fl$ teams went 0-6 and blown out in many games and Express 18's went 1-2?????
What was that garbage LI brought to Philly Showcase yest? Express and fl$ teams went 0-6 and blown out in many games and Express 18's went 1-2?????
Most LI teams heavily depleted due to Fall Classic. Top 30+ programs playing with school teams. Most top sophomores and Juniors were playing with those school teams. Some went to Individual showcase on Sat and back to LI Sun for HS games.
LI teams should have come down to MD on Sat and mixed it up with the MIAA and Canadian teams...
What was that garbage LI brought to Philly Showcase yest? Express and fl$ teams went 0-6 and blown out in many games and Express 18's went 1-2?????
What was that garbage LI brought to Philly Showcase yest? Express and fl$ teams went 0-6 and blown out in many games and Express 18's went 1-2?????
fl$ had 2018s playing in the 2017 bracket with 4 2017 team members. Most of the 2017s were playing with their HS teams on LI.
So any earth shattering news from this weekend?
What was that garbage LI brought to Philly Showcase yest? Express and fl$ teams went 0-6 and blown out in many games and Express 18's went 1-2?????
What was that garbage LI brought to Philly Showcase yest? Express and fl$ teams went 0-6 and blown out in many games and Express 18's went 1-2?????
fl$ had 2018s playing in the 2017 bracket with 4 2017 team members. Most of the 2017s were playing with their HS teams on LI.
That's interesting. Wasn't there a huge dust up over the summer with fl$ over Chaminade kids playing for their High School and not their fl$ team? Kids were thrown off their fl$ teams. If what you say is true I guess the powers to be at fl$ are ok with their kids playing for their public high schools but not their Catholic ones. Either that or it's just another double standard shown by fl$.
What was that garbage LI brought to Philly Showcase yest? Express and fl$ teams went 0-6 and blown out in many games and Express 18's went 1-2?????
What was that garbage LI brought to Philly Showcase yest? Express and fl$ teams went 0-6 and blown out in many games and Express 18's went 1-2?????
fl$ had 2018s playing in the 2017 bracket with 4 2017 team members. Most of the 2017s were playing with their HS teams on LI.
That's interesting. Wasn't there a huge dust up over the summer with fl$ over Chaminade kids playing for their High School and not their fl$ team? Kids were thrown off their fl$ teams. If what you say is true I guess the powers to be at fl$ are ok with their kids playing for their public high schools but not their Catholic ones. Either that or it's just another double standard shown by fl$.
There was a dustup and it involved 2016 boys who left their fl$ team short at a tournmanet without much notice. The fl$ mantra is that your school team comes first during the school season and that fl$ comes first during tournament seson. It's made clear way in advance and parents and kids sign the code of conduct. The Chaminade coach then stepped it up a notch and told Chaminade players not to play for fl$ next season. Pretty funny considering the Chaminade coach has a financial interest in Express......
Doesn't really matter. That team is not very good.
It doesn't matter what the season is. The HS team should always come before the club team.
Doesn't really matter. That team is not very good.
It doesn't matter what the season is. The HS team should always come before the club team.
That team was mostly Chaminade boys. Maybe honoring your committment doesn't matter at Chaminade.
Doesn't really matter. That team is not very good.
It doesn't matter what the season is. The HS team should always come before the club team.
That team was mostly Chaminade boys. Maybe honoring your committment doesn't matter at Chaminade.
Only 6 of 25 were from Chaminade. What happened is a shame, essentially two sets of adults behaving like children and disregarding their high school-aged wards' best interests.
fl$'s club is becoming a non-event...attracts lesser talent and fighting to stay relevant...joining forces with 3D for a marginal tournament (there were coaches there but should disclose that they pay them $500/day to show up) is a move out of desperation...soon they will be 3D Long Island
fl$'s club is becoming a non-event...attracts lesser talent and fighting to stay relevant...joining forces with 3D for a marginal tournament (there were coaches there but should disclose that they pay them $500/day to show up) is a move out of desperation...soon they will be 3D Long Island
I don't now about "non-event." Their 2017 team presently has 10 D1 commits (all to good to superior academic/lacrosse schools). Would also expect additional commitments over the next 9-10 months from much of the remaining pool. Agree that, relative to the Turtles and Team 91, these commitments are not as impressive, but no shabby for a program that is a "non-event." Regardless of your particular perception, fl$ seems to have been able to, either or both, develop talent and/or get players recognized by college coaches.
Doesn't really matter. That team is not very good.
It doesn't matter what the season is. The HS team should always come before the club team.
That team was mostly Chaminade boys. Maybe honoring your committment doesn't matter at Chaminade.
Only 6 of 25 were from Chaminade. What happened is a shame, essentially two sets of adults behaving like children and disregarding their high school-aged wards' best interests.
Actually 9 o 22 were from Chaminade. Agree that it was a shame and adults actling like children.
Sorry but no need to put the initials of players last names. Not that you were speaking badly about them just prefer to keep kids out of it.
Doesn't really matter. That team is not very good.
It doesn't matter what the season is. The HS team should always come before the club team.
That team was mostly Chaminade boys. Maybe honoring your committment doesn't matter at Chaminade.
Only 6 of 25 were from Chaminade. What happened is a shame, essentially two sets of adults behaving like children and disregarding their high school-aged wards' best interests.
Actually 9 o 22 were from Chaminade. One last name starting with B, three with C, two with with F, two with M, and one with W. Agree that it was a shame and adults actling like children.
The numbers have nothing to do with it. Stop with the red herrings. In this latest case it looks like only 4 kids from the team played while the other, say 18, played with their high school which I agree with. The issue is not the numbers. The issue is why the two standards. Stop with the tournament / high school season nonsense. The high school season is clearly over. You can't argue that. Their 2017 team has 4 fall tournaments. That would make it tournament season, no? Someone will get on here with semantics that it's not tournament season. Well why are they playing 4 tournaments then? Read and listen beyond the rhetoric. The Chaminade kids were targeted. Plain and simple.
Doesn't really matter. That team is not very good.
It doesn't matter what the season is. The HS team should always come before the club team.
That team was mostly Chaminade boys. Maybe honoring your committment doesn't matter at Chaminade.
1. Why do you have an issue with that?
2. How does that impact you or your family?
3. Why does it bother you what people do with their money, time and children?
Doesn't really matter. That team is not very good.
It doesn't matter what the season is. The HS team should always come before the club team.
That team was mostly Chaminade boys. Maybe honoring your committment doesn't matter at Chaminade.
1. Why do you have an issue with that?
2. How does that impact you or your family?
3. Why does it bother you what people do with their money, time and children?
Not the person quoted, but here is its impact on my son:
1) When the whole team is not at a given tournament, it affects the team's performance. Not least of which is to potentially leave the team without its goalie.
2) When the team does not perform well, college coaches do not show up or do not focus on my son's team.
3) When the coaches don't show up or focus, my son doesn't get as much of an opportunity to be seen.
Why does it bother me that people will back out of their commitment to a team, because I spent money (as well as 24 other families) on the premise of the team expressing a certain level of quality and therefore opportunity for my son to be seen. So the decision made by the parents affected my son not just their son.
I know we are in this whatever is best for my son/daughter world, but I was always raised to believe that if you joined a team you were committed to fully participate on that team (practices and tournaments). The tournament schedule was know well in advance by all parents and athletes and the Chaminade games came up out of the blue. All of the parents had signed up for the tournaments leaving every other player under the impression that they would show up.
Doesn't really matter. That team is not very good.
It doesn't matter what the season is. The HS team should always come before the club team.
That team was mostly Chaminade boys. Maybe honoring your committment doesn't matter at Chaminade.
1. Why do you have an issue with that?
2. How does that impact you or your family?
3. Why does it bother you what people do with their money, time and children?
Not the person quoted, but here is its impact on my son:
1) When the whole team is not at a given tournament, it affects the team's performance. Not least of which is to potentially leave the team without its goalie.
2) When the team does not perform well, college coaches do not show up or do not focus on my son's team.
3) When the coaches don't show up or focus, my son doesn't get as much of an opportunity to be seen.
Why does it bother me that people will back out of their commitment to a team, because I spent money (as well as 24 other families) on the premise of the team expressing a certain level of quality and therefore opportunity for my son to be seen. So the decision made by the parents affected my son not just their son.
I know we are in this whatever is best for my son/daughter world, but I was always raised to believe that if you joined a team you were committed to fully participate on that team (practices and tournaments). The tournament schedule was know well in advance by all parents and athletes and the Chaminade games came up out of the blue. All of the parents had signed up for the tournaments leaving every other player under the impression that they would show up.
That fl$ 2017 team had enough talent with or without the Chaminade boys who had to change their plans that weekend. It was a very, very good team. Most of the Chammy players showed up for the second day of the fl$ tournament and therefore did their best to fulfill demands from both sides. They were pawns in the middle of a Coaching "belly-bucking" contest.
It's called COMPROMISE. But I guess you're all about winning.
Doesn't really matter. That team is not very good.
It doesn't matter what the season is. The HS team should always come before the club team.
That team was mostly Chaminade boys. Maybe honoring your committment doesn't matter at Chaminade.
1. Why do you have an issue with that?
2. How does that impact you or your family?
3. Why does it bother you what people do with their money, time and children?
Not the person quoted, but here is its impact on my son:
1) When the whole team is not at a given tournament, it affects the team's performance. Not least of which is to potentially leave the team without its goalie.
2) When the team does not perform well, college coaches do not show up or do not focus on my son's team.
3) When the coaches don't show up or focus, my son doesn't get as much of an opportunity to be seen.
Why does it bother me that people will back out of their commitment to a team, because I spent money (as well as 24 other families) on the premise of the team expressing a certain level of quality and therefore opportunity for my son to be seen. So the decision made by the parents affected my son not just their son.
I know we are in this whatever is best for my son/daughter world, but I was always raised to believe that if you joined a team you were committed to fully participate on that team (practices and tournaments). The tournament schedule was know well in advance by all parents and athletes and the Chaminade games came up out of the blue. All of the parents had signed up for the tournaments leaving every other player under the impression that they would show up.
I think the guy who wrote that was on your side of the debate.
Hey, I see your side. However, I still believe the kids should play for their high school and I still believe certain kids were held to a different standard than the others and those kids happened to be the Chaminade kids. That was my point.
Before I bow out I have one question for you. If your son's high school coach sprung a tournament on him at the last minute (or week) you would advise him to tell the coach he is going to his club tournament? If your honest answer is yes and I knew you I would highly advise you to reconsider.
Best of luck to your son and all the other 2017s.
Doesn't really matter. That team is not very good.
It doesn't matter what the season is. The HS team should always come before the club team.
That team was mostly Chaminade boys. Maybe honoring your committment doesn't matter at Chaminade.
1. Why do you have an issue with that?
2. How does that impact you or your family?
3. Why does it bother you what people do with their money, time and children?
Not the person quoted, but here is its impact on my son:
1) When the whole team is not at a given tournament, it affects the team's performance. Not least of which is to potentially leave the team without its goalie.
2) When the team does not perform well, college coaches do not show up or do not focus on my son's team.
3) When the coaches don't show up or focus, my son doesn't get as much of an opportunity to be seen.
Why does it bother me that people will back out of their commitment to a team, because I spent money (as well as 24 other families) on the premise of the team expressing a certain level of quality and therefore opportunity for my son to be seen. So the decision made by the parents affected my son not just their son.
I know we are in this whatever is best for my son/daughter world, but I was always raised to believe that if you joined a team you were committed to fully participate on that team (practices and tournaments). The tournament schedule was know well in advance by all parents and athletes and the Chaminade games came up out of the blue. All of the parents had signed up for the tournaments leaving every other player under the impression that they would show up.
1. There is rarely a time every single player shows up for a summer tournament. Coaches, parents and players know this and great players never rely on other players to "make the team look good". They step it up and play harder.
2. When the team doesn't play well, it's nobody's fault but the team who played. Again, that just means that the players who were there need to step it up and play harder.
3. A player who steps it up and plays hard will be noticed by coaches. It won't matter whether their team won or lost games in a tournament.
Placing blame on things you can't control only makes you look petty. If you want your son to be noticed, encourage him to focus on HIS strengths and HIS weaknesses. Lead by example. You're sending a message to your son that someone else has power over his fate. Nobody controls how well your son plays but HIMSELF. I have seen tournaments where the really great players on a team were purposely asked not to play by their coach, and the other kids who were good/very good players had to step it up. Guess what? They did it. Do you know why? Because they had the fortitude to step it up and dig deep and work their butts off.
It doesn't make you look petty if 9 boys on a team (or their parents) decide the week of the tournament not to show up. That leaves 12-15 boys for a tournament playing 3 games in 90-100 degree heat.
The HS team should always come first. Always.
It doesn't make you look petty if 9 boys on a team (or their parents) decide the week of the tournament not to show up. That leaves 12-15 boys for a tournament playing 3 games in 90-100 degree heat.
90-plus degree heat is typical in a summer tournament. Giving your son appropriate hydration before, during and after games is simply common sense. If it was too hot for the kids to play, the officials would have stopped the games. Consider it a gift that your son got more playing time than he would have had. There were plenty of other players on other teams who spent just as much time on the field at the same tourney.
It doesn't make you look petty if 9 boys on a team (or their parents) decide the week of the tournament not to show up. That leaves 12-15 boys for a tournament playing 3 games in 90-100 degree heat.
Now it's the heat's fault.
The HS team should always come first. Always.
Would have been interesting if those boys played for Express. Would Chaminade have still entered a tournament and have the kids no show for Express?
The HS team should always come first. Always.
Easy there Coach. HS team should always come first in the Spring. NEVER, EVER, in the summer. That's the kid's time, and the family time.
I just still don't understand why the club took it 10 steps further by ridding itself of any players thought to be associated with Chaminade? There is a dispute on a 2017 team so some innocent kid on a younger team whose brother or cousin goes to Chaminade suddenly gets cut? I thought the organization was all about the kids, developing "studletes" etc? If they had a beef with that team that is one thing. Take it up with the Chaminade coach, the involved players and their parents. Instead the club took it much further, over reacted and, in my view, hurt many innocent players in their program just to settle a score with Chaminade.....and that is where their credibility and integrity goes out the window. You don't settle a dispute by inflicting unnecessary pain on kids who have nothing to do with it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion , but I think that was really low brow stuff,
I just still don't understand why the club took it 10 steps further by ridding itself of any players thought to be associated with Chaminade? There is a dispute on a 2017 team so some innocent kid on a younger team whose brother or cousin goes to Chaminade suddenly gets cut? I thought the organization was all about the kids, developing "studletes" etc? If they had a beef with that team that is one thing. Take it up with the Chaminade coach, the involved players and their parents. Instead the club took it much further, over reacted and, in my view, hurt many innocent players in their program just to settle a score with Chaminade.....and that is where their credibility and integrity goes out the window. You don't settle a dispute by inflicting unnecessary pain on kids who have nothing to do with it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion , but I think that was really low brow stuff,
Don't bother opining if you don't know what happened. This happened with the 2016 boys who played for Chaminade and fl$. The 2017 and younger boys continued to play for fl$ without incident. None of the 2017, 2018, 2019 boys were cut from fl$ After the summer season was over, the Chaminade coach told all the the 2017, 2018, and 2019 Chaminade kids not not to play for fl$. Note that the Chaminade cooach has a financial interst in the LI Express.
It doesn't make you look petty if 9 boys on a team (or their parents) decide the week of the tournament not to show up. That leaves 12-15 boys for a tournament playing 3 games in 90-100 degree heat.
Now it's the heat's fault.
Keep up you idiot. A commenter called it petty to be upset that a poster's sons team was left short. No much how much effort a player puts forth, they will be out of gas playing with 15 boys in the summer heat over the course of a weekend.
I just still don't understand why the club took it 10 steps further by ridding itself of any players thought to be associated with Chaminade? There is a dispute on a 2017 team so some innocent kid on a younger team whose brother or cousin goes to Chaminade suddenly gets cut? I thought the organization was all about the kids, developing "studletes" etc? If they had a beef with that team that is one thing. Take it up with the Chaminade coach, the involved players and their parents. Instead the club took it much further, over reacted and, in my view, hurt many innocent players in their program just to settle a score with Chaminade.....and that is where their credibility and integrity goes out the window. You don't settle a dispute by inflicting unnecessary pain on kids who have nothing to do with it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion , but I think that was really low brow stuff,
Don't bother opining if you don't know what happened. This happened with the 2016 boys who played for Chaminade and fl$. The 2017 and younger boys continued to play for fl$ without incident. None of the 2017, 2018, 2019 boys were cut from fl$ After the summer season was over, the Chaminade coach told all the the 2017, 2018, and 2019 Chaminade kids not not to play for fl$. Note that the Chaminade cooach has a financial interst in the LI Express.
So you are saying there will be plenty of Chaminade kids playing for fl$ next summer? I look forward to seeing that. Let's check back in a few months and see if you are still so sure of yourself.
It doesn't make you look petty if 9 boys on a team (or their parents) decide the week of the tournament not to show up. That leaves 12-15 boys for a tournament playing 3 games in 90-100 degree heat.
Now it's the heat's fault.
Keep up you idiot. A commenter called it petty to be upset that a poster's sons team was left short. No much how much effort a player puts forth, they will be out of gas playing with 15 boys in the summer heat over the course of a weekend.
I 100% agree with this. It happened to my son's team this summer. We had 4 middies, and they were completely gassed by the second game, and non of the boys showed well in front of college coaches.
The HS team should always come first. Always.
Easy there Coach. HS team should always come first in the Spring. NEVER, EVER, in the summer. That's the kid's time, and the family time.
I'm not a coach. I'm a dad. In our area, the HS always comes first. Those are the kids you go to school with. The clubs down here always try to schedule around the HS focused tournaments, but everyone understands that the HS comes first.
The HS team should always come first. Always.
Easy there Coach. HS team should always come first in the Spring. NEVER, EVER, in the summer. That's the kid's time, and the family time.
I'm not a coach. I'm a dad. In our area, the HS always comes first. Those are the kids you go to school with. The clubs down here always try to schedule around the HS focused tournaments, but everyone understands that the HS comes first.
So it's OK in the summer , for 4 or 5 of your best players to not come to your club team showcase because their HS decided to do something last minut? Is that fair to the other 20 players on club team? I think it's unfair of HS coaches to expect that in the summer. The reality is , most of the HS coaches are competing for same dollar as the other clubs. It's a blatant conflict and no one will ever address it. You think its OK for a HS coach to dictate what club your kid plays for? I certainly don't.
Doesn't really matter. That team is not very good.
It doesn't matter what the season is. The HS team should always come before the club team.
That team was mostly Chaminade boys. Maybe honoring your committment doesn't matter at Chaminade.
1. Why do you have an issue with that?
2. How does that impact you or your family?
3. Why does it bother you what people do with their money, time and children?
Not the person quoted, but here is its impact on my son:
1) When the whole team is not at a given tournament, it affects the team's performance. Not least of which is to potentially leave the team without its goalie.
2) When the team does not perform well, college coaches do not show up or do not focus on my son's team.
3) When the coaches don't show up or focus, my son doesn't get as much of an opportunity to be seen.
Why does it bother me that people will back out of their commitment to a team, because I spent money (as well as 24 other families) on the premise of the team expressing a certain level of quality and therefore opportunity for my son to be seen. So the decision made by the parents affected my son not just their son.
I know we are in this whatever is best for my son/daughter world, but I was always raised to believe that if you joined a team you were committed to fully participate on that team (practices and tournaments). The tournament schedule was know well in advance by all parents and athletes and the Chaminade games came up out of the blue. All of the parents had signed up for the tournaments leaving every other player under the impression that they would show up.
Very motivational , but mostly BS. If your Fogo doesn't show and you never have the ball, you can dig as deep as you want , but won't be great day for your attack squad. Being short 3 middies , will not allow you to play at your best. HS comes first , when they handle it properly. HS coaches should not be making money off kids in the summer. I'm very surprised these private schools allow this.
1. There is rarely a time every single player shows up for a summer tournament. Coaches, parents and players know this and great players never rely on other players to "make the team look good". They step it up and play harder.
2. When the team doesn't play well, it's nobody's fault but the team who played. Again, that just means that the players who were there need to step it up and play harder.
3. A player who steps it up and plays hard will be noticed by coaches. It won't matter whether their team won or lost games in a tournament.
Placing blame on things you can't control only makes you look petty. If you want your son to be noticed, encourage him to focus on HIS strengths and HIS weaknesses. Lead by example. You're sending a message to your son that someone else has power over his fate. Nobody controls how well your son plays but HIMSELF. I have seen tournaments where the really great players on a team were purposely asked not to play by their coach, and the other kids who were good/very good players had to step it up. Guess what? They did it. Do you know why? Because they had the fortitude to step it up and dig deep and work their butts off.
The HS team should always come first. Always.
Easy there Coach. HS team should always come first in the Spring. NEVER, EVER, in the summer. That's the kid's time, and the family time.
I'm not a coach. I'm a dad. In our area, the HS always comes first. Those are the kids you go to school with. The clubs down here always try to schedule around the HS focused tournaments, but everyone understands that the HS comes first.
So it's OK in the summer , for 4 or 5 of your best players to not come to your club team showcase because their HS decided to do something last minut? Is that fair to the other 20 players on club team? I think it's unfair of HS coaches to expect that in the summer. The reality is , most of the HS coaches are competing for same dollar as the other clubs. It's a blatant conflict and no one will ever address it. You think its OK for a HS coach to dictate what club your kid plays for? I certainly don't.
I never said that. Our coach doesn't dictate which clubs his kids play for, and I don't think anyone would support that.
You need to chill out. Some kids decided to play for their HS over the club. You'll get over it. Your son already has.
I just still don't understand why the club took it 10 steps further by ridding itself of any players thought to be associated with Chaminade? There is a dispute on a 2017 team so some innocent kid on a younger team whose brother or cousin goes to Chaminade suddenly gets cut? I thought the organization was all about the kids, developing "studletes" etc? If they had a beef with that team that is one thing. Take it up with the Chaminade coach, the involved players and their parents. Instead the club took it much further, over reacted and, in my view, hurt many innocent players in their program just to settle a score with Chaminade.....and that is where their credibility and integrity goes out the window. You don't settle a dispute by inflicting unnecessary pain on kids who have nothing to do with it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion , but I think that was really low brow stuff,
Don't bother opining if you don't know what happened. This happened with the 2016 boys who played for Chaminade and fl$. The 2017 and younger boys continued to play for fl$ without incident. None of the 2017, 2018, 2019 boys were cut from fl$ After the summer season was over, the Chaminade coach told all the the 2017, 2018, and 2019 Chaminade kids not not to play for fl$. Note that the Chaminade cooach has a financial interst in the LI Express.
So you are saying there will be plenty of Chaminade kids playing for fl$ next summer? I look forward to seeing that. Let's check back in a few months and see if you are still so sure of yourself.
If you had some reading comprehension, you would understand that I am saying there will likely be none playing for fl$ next summer.....because of the Chaminade coaches' veiled threat.
The HS team should always come first. Always.
Easy there Coach. HS team should always come first in the Spring. NEVER, EVER, in the summer. That's the kid's time, and the family time.
I'm not a coach. I'm a dad. In our area, the HS always comes first. Those are the kids you go to school with. The clubs down here always try to schedule around the HS focused tournaments, but everyone understands that the HS comes first.
So it's OK in the summer , for 4 or 5 of your best players to not come to your club team showcase because their HS decided to do something last minut? Is that fair to the other 20 players on club team? I think it's unfair of HS coaches to expect that in the summer. The reality is , most of the HS coaches are competing for same dollar as the other clubs. It's a blatant conflict and no one will ever address it. You think its OK for a HS coach to dictate what club your kid plays for? I certainly don't.
Well said.
Complete conflict of interest. Where is the distinction between "High School Team" and "Pay to Play for profit HS/Town Team"? Are they now considered one and the same?
In addition to the evident conflict of interest there is now a degree of negligence. Over the past few years the fall and summer lacrosse tournament circuit has change. College Coaches are recruiting earlier and they are doing their recruiting at the events that have the Top Club Teams competing. Anyone who is advising, telling, asking, coercing etc... strong players to forgo playing for a Top Club Team does not have the players best interest in mind.
The Top Club Teams play in the most competitive tournaments and attract the most college coaches. When the kids are younger (pre recruiting) it is about competing against the best in order to improve. Once recruiting begins playing in front of the most coaches in competitive situations becomes important as well. Once committed, the players future college coaches will want the player to continue to develop and play against the best competition possible.
I have never heard of anyone prioritizing Club Team ahead of School Team.
Something about this reminds me of an email from Mike Winkoff. What was is again...
"An fl$ Philosophy since our inception at fl$ Lacrosse is to make sure all our families realize that your community comes first."
"Your son or daughter should make sure their town, middle school or high school team is their first lacrosse priority."
.....blah,blah,blah bulls**t
Something about this reminds me of an email from Mike Winkoff. What was is again...
"An fl$ Philosophy since our inception at fl$ Lacrosse is to make sure all our families realize that your community comes first."
"Your son or daughter should make sure their town, middle school or high school team is their first lacrosse priority."
.....blah,blah,blah bulls**t
You might, for full disclosure, include the words ".....during the school season" instead of blah blah blah.
Need to get the facts straight. The HS team did not schedule something last minute. They play in that tourney every year. I know this because I had several of the players on my team as well so I knew well in advance that there was a conflict so I did not schedule anything that weekend because I knew those kids would choose attending their school team event over the summer team. fl$ knew of the conflict before the season so they had the option to pass and not select those kids to play for them but they did because they are really good players and fl$ is all about winning. Now they want to blame kids "KIDS" for choosing their HS team over their tourney. fl$ says they are the best. Can't win missing a few kids. They carry 25 -30 kids on the team.
ok. this topic has finally caused my eyes to glaze over.............who cares
Never a truer statement has been said! Who cares!!
It's not just chaminade kids - it's any kid that chooses a school team over them - then they try to go hurt the kid in the recruiting process by making threats meanwhile they have 0 negative affect on the kid bc the college coach won't listen
It's not just chaminade kids - it's any kid that chooses a school team over them - then they try to go hurt the kid in the recruiting process by making threats meanwhile they have 0 negative affect on the kid bc the college coach won't listen
It's "effect" not "affect." May want to improve your grammar before moving onto college son and forget about trashing anyone or any team.
It's "effect" not "affect." May want to improve your grammar before moving onto college son and forget about trashing anyone or any team.
Your sentence should read, "May want to improve your grammar before moving onto college
, son, and forget about trashing anyone or any team."
You should work on your punctuation skills, or lack therof. Son.
It's "effect" not "affect." May want to improve your grammar before moving onto college son and forget about trashing anyone or any team.
Your sentence should read, "May want to improve your grammar before moving onto college
, son, and forget about trashing anyone or any team."
You should work on your punctuation skills, or lack therof. Son.
Must be the high quality Chaminade education
If you could all please fill out your Hurt Feelings Report, perhaps, we can agree that sometimes life isn't fair.
With respect to Summer Tourneys - any recommendations on Individual Tournaments?
My son was on the 2016 fl$ team and was not one of the Chaminade boys. At one point this was an excellent team - one of the best in the country during the summer going into their Junior year. The tournament that the Chaminade boys did not make this past summer was brutal on the rest of the team. The heat index was well over 100 and at one point due to exhaustion and injury, they had ZERO subs. Think about what that heat must have been like for them under those helmets. As horrible as that was, my son would have gladly welcomed back his Chaminade friends and teamates that he had bonded with over prior few years for their very last tournament together. But, unfortunately, he was denied that privilege. Personally, I think the club should have let the non-Chaminade boys have a say in whether they should have been cut or not but the politics and egos of "adults" apparently forgot to ask my son for his opinion - a shame because it had been a great experience until the very end.
If you could all please fill out your Hurt Feelings Report, perhaps, we can agree that sometimes life isn't fair.
With respect to Summer Tourneys - any recommendations on Individual Tournaments?
Tournaments or showcases? What do his coaches say?
One of the funnier things I saw this weekend at Platinum Cup was the behavior of the parents of West Coast Starz 2017.
They have a pretty good team until we smashed them. But their parents is what I'll always remember from the game. Their kids are rising seniors, yet the parents are shouting instructions from the sidelines. Stuff like "keep them out", "slide!", etc.
Pretty funny stuff. I guess they haven't yet learned that the outcome of these games is not life or death, or that their behavior raises eyebrows from the coaches in attendance. Typical stuff from non hotbed parents.
You sound like a total loser criticizing "non hot bed" parents. So what, they are enthusiastic and getting connected to the game that their boys are starting to play at a high level. And they might not have a high lax IQ on their own, but you are being a complete [lacrosse].
You must be one of those CA parents. I am not a Leading Edge parent whose team played them in the finals, but we played them on Saturday and they trounced us. Very good team. But I can echo the previous poster's comments. Even while they were beating us soundly, the parents acted like clowns. Everyone cheers for their kids, but who yells out instructions from the sidelines, especially when you are up big?
It was like listening to U11 parents. You would think they would have learned by now. I'm glad to hear they lost in the finals.
You must be one of those CA parents. I am not a Leading Edge parent whose team played them in the finals, but we played them on Saturday and they trounced us. Very good team. But I can echo the previous poster's comments. Even while they were beating us soundly, the parents acted like clowns. Everyone cheers for their kids, but who yells out instructions from the sidelines, especially when you are up big?
It was like listening to U11 parents. You would think they would have learned by now. I'm glad to hear they lost in the finals.
Perhaps no one told them that they were at a "recruiting tournament"???? The Coaches are watching the parents behavior as well. On another note, many of the top players from the East Coast no longer play travel. Once committed they play elsewhere. While WCS is a very good team, they aren't really playing teams full of the best talent out here. I would bet that the overwhelming majority of committed East Coast 2017's aren't playing for a club team. See the Turtles... With that said, I imagine it's exciting for the parents to see their kids beat these East Coast teams.
That's funny because the behavior of the Leading Edge 2017 parents on Saturday was very entertaining & a bit embarrassing.
That's funny because the behavior of the Leading Edge 2017 parents on Saturday was very entertaining & a bit embarrassing.
Two sets of LE parents ganged up pretty badly on a ref. Ref lost his cool. Was giving it right back to them. Very poor behavior on both parts.
That's funny because the behavior of the Leading Edge 2017 parents on Saturday was very entertaining & a bit embarrassing.
Two sets of LE parents ganged up pretty badly on a ref. Ref lost his cool. Was giving it right back to them. Very poor behavior on both parts.
Leading Edge 2017s won Adreanline Pplatinum Cup championship 2 years in a row and Big 4 this year. Best team out there last 2 years. And committed kids were all playing club last year so get rid of thast lame excuse.
That's funny because the behavior of the Leading Edge 2017 parents on Saturday was very entertaining & a bit embarrassing.
Two sets of LE parents ganged up pretty badly on a ref. Ref lost his cool. Was giving it right back to them. Very poor behavior on both parts.
Leading Edge 2017s won Adreanline Pplatinum Cup championship 2 years in a row and Big 4 this year. Best team out there last 2 years. And committed kids were all playing club last year so get rid of thast lame excuse.
but 91 had them on the ropes in both tourney's (tied and lost by one) could've gone either way but 91 just had no bench depth that weekend with NYS HS championships and ACT exams.
will matched teams in any case. LE has an impressive squad for sure
Anyone know what town(s) the Long Island Warhawks are from ?
Leading Edge won the Big4/HHH tourney this past weekend. Extremely deep and talented team...parents aside......
Leading Edge has a good team and winning two tournaments in a row is impressive. But they have not been the best 2017 the past two years. Both Turtles and Crabs were more impressive last year.
At this point, most 2017 teams are just limping along because so many committed kids have quit playing club lacrosse.
But agreed that LE has some nightmare parents. It really doesn't matter who wins these games or tournaments. That's not the point.
Leading Edge has a good team and winning two tournaments in a row is impressive. But they have not been the best 2017 the past two years. Both Turtles and Crabs were more impressive last year.
At this point, most 2017 teams are just limping along because so many committed kids have quit playing club lacrosse.
But agreed that LE has some nightmare parents. It really doesn't matter who wins these games or tournaments. That's not the point.
In last years cup, LE spanked turtles and team 91 destroyed Crabs. The two met in the finals (team 91 beat LE in pool play) and LE took the win in a hard played game.
Turtles and crabs not visible in tourneys that mattered last year. Not impressive at all.
Leading Edge has a good team and winning two tournaments in a row is impressive. But they have not been the best 2017 the past two years. Both Turtles and Crabs were more impressive last year.
At this point, most 2017 teams are just limping along because so many committed kids have quit playing club lacrosse.
But agreed that LE has some nightmare parents. It really doesn't matter who wins these games or tournaments. That's not the point.
Last year LE won Adrenaline (and this year) plus two other tournaments. Did better than Turtles and Crabs last year. Not that it matters, but gets your facts straight.
It was Turtles v Crabs at Crabfeast last year. Leading Edge was nowhere to be found.
Funny how obsessed you guys are about titles. Some day you'll realize that nobody cares who wins these games. It's about kids getting better and getting recruited.
I heard you guys acted like clowns at Platinum Cup. Again.
Who is this Committed team at Crabfeast? Is that the Turtles?
Leading Edge had tryouts this past fall for the 2017 team...added ~4 new committed kids, for what? A winning record to attract younger suckers, oops, I mean youth players into the program. Then they can get replaced down the road in search of tournament wins. They are a good team of NJ mercenaries
Who is this Committed team at Crabfeast? Is that the Turtles?
LI Express Committed team..... so yes plus some
Who is this Committed team at Crabfeast? Is that the Turtles?
LI Express Committed team..... so yes plus some
Thanks. Is it the entire Turtles team or just some of them? Would be nice to see them play again.
Leading Edge had tryouts this past fall for the 2017 team...added ~4 new committed kids, for what? A winning record to attract younger suckers, oops, I mean youth players into the program. Then they can get replaced down the road in search of tournament wins. They are a good team of NJ mercenaries
Who are Leading Edge South. Are they affiliated with Leading Edge?
Who is this Committed team at Crabfeast? Is that the Turtles?
LI Express Committed team..... so yes plus some
Thanks. Is it the entire Turtles team or just some of them? Would be nice to see them play again.
most of the original shell backs. a couple have defected to Team 91
(attack, middie, goalie)
Committed team is the LI UA team for the most part. Haha.
which is the G Powers team of turtles and some replacements
good thing they had the annual tryout$$
Committed team is the LI UA team for the most part. Haha.
Leading Edge 3-3 in last three tournaments. Adrenaline Platinum Cup, Big 4, and now Crabfeast champs at each. They beat the LIE Committed team, e.g. The Turtles. Playing good lacrosse. Don't want to hear the excuses that the kids don't care or committed kids aren't playing because it is b.s.
Turtles kids are playing all over, not too may standing out!
One of the funnier things I saw this weekend at Platinum Cup was the behavior of the parents of West Coast Starz 2017.
They have a pretty good team until we smashed them. But their parents is what I'll always remember from the game. Their kids are rising seniors, yet the parents are shouting instructions from the sidelines. Stuff like "keep them out", "slide!", etc.
Pretty funny stuff. I guess they haven't yet learned that the outcome of these games is not life or death, or that their behavior raises eyebrows from the coaches in attendance. Typical stuff from non hotbed parents.
Go to a third or fourth grade Long Island event and you will hear all the same stuff. Nice to see the growing area of lacrosse embrace the obnoxious tradition we started out here.
The "turtles" aka the UA team loses in Maryland. Maybe an indication of what's to come at UA games next week. Interesting. Maybe one day they will pick the team on real talent and not on who you know and who lines the pockets of the evaluators.
Leading Edge 3-3 in last three tournaments. Adrenaline Platinum Cup, Big 4, and now Crabfeast champs at each. They beat the LIE Committed team, e.g. The Turtles. Playing good lacrosse. Don't want to hear the excuses that the kids don't care or committed kids aren't playing because it is b.s.
LE playing the best lax of the 2017's by far. the only team to come close to beating them was Team 91 at the cup where they tied once and lost by one.
LE is stacked with talent at every position, as is team 91. the main difference being LE coaching, player desire and willingness to play harder as the game goes on; and possessing a refuse to lose mentality which is admirable.
LI committed team at the Crab tournament is mainly UA kids...kind of a way around the 3 practices allowed for UA teams, but I guess LI feels they need the extra practice. LE is a good team, a lot of the 17's playing on UA team as well. The LI Express regular team at the 17 age group was not a very skilled team.