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Posted By: TommyM

Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/19/15 10:16 PM

Here is a new thread.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/25/15 01:57 AM

If your son is the 2022 age bracket, what are the best club teams in Westchester and Fairfield counties? Are they Primetime, Predators, Chargers and Eclipse? Or some other Ny or Ct team?

Which ones will give him the best training and ultimately the best recruiting opportunities? Thanks in advance for your help.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/27/15 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If your son is the 2022 age bracket, what are the best club teams in Westchester and Fairfield counties? Are they Primetime, Predators, Chargers and Eclipse? Or some other Ny or Ct team?

Which ones will give him the best training and ultimately the best recruiting opportunities? Thanks in advance for your help.


Express North should be a consideration.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/27/15 11:37 AM

I thought that long express north and team 91 tristate were too new and needed a couple more seasons for the teams and organizations to gel. The younger LIE north and 91 tristate teams seemed to play only in B level tournaments.

Any of these organizations play year round? Hard to compete against the top Long Island and Maryland teams when the Westchester and Fairfield teams really only practice together as a team in the summer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/27/15 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought that long express north and team 91 tristate were too new and needed a couple more seasons for the teams and organizations to gel. The younger LIE north and 91 tristate teams seemed to play only in B level tournaments.

Any of these organizations play year round? Hard to compete against the top Long Island and Maryland teams when the Westchester and Fairfield teams really only practice together as a team in the summer.


That is a lame excuse! My son plays on a couple teams as an invited player we never know which kids will be there, yet they usually win the tournament or come very close! If the talent is there, you will win.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/27/15 12:21 PM

problem with northern westchester right now in general is a shrinking pool of players and a growing amount travel organizations. Superstars out of ridgefield has changed their whole offering. combination of box and field lacrosse, not sure how that will workout , but it is supposed to me more of a year round offering. I have heard fair number of complaints out of the younger Prime time parents this year, Apparently the 3/4 team, won 1 game, and got pretty much destroyed in every other. not sure if that will continue or if that has always been the case.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/27/15 01:25 PM

Thanks for the comments about Northern Westchester. Seems like the same thing is happening in Fairfield County. Chargers used to be strong but the talent pool is now being divided up as more teams enter (i.e. Eclipse).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/27/15 07:59 PM

I think the participation in lacrosse has slowed down. At the high school level, if you are not starting at one of the really competitive teams like Primetime, Express North or Eclipse and either starting on varsity or getting significant playing time at least by sophomore year, you're probably better off improving your skills at camps then watching others play from sidelines at both games and practices.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/17/15 03:46 PM

Should be interesting to see how things play out for the Fall 2015/Summer 2016 teams in Westchester. Seems every organization is having tryouts on August 30th. If kids can only go to one and don't make the team may be out of luck. Of course there probably will be one or two teams without enough boys at tryouts to take the other's leftovers.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/17/15 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought that long express north and team 91 tristate were too new and needed a couple more seasons for the teams and organizations to gel. The younger LIE north and 91 tristate teams seemed to play only in B level tournaments.

Any of these organizations play year round? Hard to compete against the top Long Island and Maryland teams when the Westchester and Fairfield teams really only practice together as a team in the summer.


Generally yes, but North 2019 made finals at last two tourneys of summer, all the big boys were there. 3d Tristate was better at end of summer than the start.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/17/15 05:49 PM

I am hearing that Primetime, which is based in Lewisboro, and has been traditionally very strong, is no longer going to be able to call John Jay HS their home. It seems like they are scrambling for field space and have not let anyone know where that may be. This could change alot of the dynamic as I am hearing Express North is calling the Harvey School in Katonah, their new home, Does anyone know where Prime Time will be going? some are saying down County but not confirmed
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/17/15 05:51 PM

Express north beat crabs and dukes this summer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/17/15 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am hearing that Primetime, which is based in Lewisboro, and has been traditionally very strong, is no longer going to be able to call John Jay HS their home. It seems like they are scrambling for field space and have not let anyone know where that may be. This could change alot of the dynamic as I am hearing Express North is calling the Harvey School in Katonah, their new home, Does anyone know where Prime Time will be going? some are saying down County but not confirmed

On. 8/15 A new location for tryouts was announced. Don't know where practices will be held.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/20/15 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am hearing that Primetime, which is based in Lewisboro, and has been traditionally very strong, is no longer going to be able to call John Jay HS their home. It seems like they are scrambling for field space and have not let anyone know where that may be. This could change alot of the dynamic as I am hearing Express North is calling the Harvey School in Katonah, their new home, Does anyone know where Prime Time will be going? some are saying down County but not confirmed

On. 8/15 A new location for tryouts was announced. Don't know where practices will be held.


Not sure where practices will be, but second day of tryouts are at Purchase. The SUNY must be making some good coin as it seems nearly every travel team is having tryouts on campus on the 30th.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/20/15 02:52 PM

sounds like Primetime is scrambling- should bode well for the EXPRESS NORTH which is setting up shop in Katonah-
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/21/15 01:26 AM

Is there not an inherent conflict of interest between Express LI and North? at the same age level, how can the Express organization get both teams into the best tournaments? I grant you that so far it appears that they've been successful, but isn't that only because the Express North 2018 team is very good and the means by which they are growing the Express North product offering. It would seem Younger Express North teams may be at a disadvantage. There are only limited spots in the best tournaments. Thoughts?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/21/15 11:33 AM

zero conflict of interest
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/21/15 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there not an inherent conflict of interest between Express LI and North? at the same age level, how can the Express organization get both teams into the best tournaments? I grant you that so far it appears that they've been successful, but isn't that only because the Express North 2018 team is very good and the means by which they are growing the Express North product offering. It would seem Younger Express North teams may be at a disadvantage. There are only limited spots in the best tournaments. Thoughts?


There is always room for more teams! More Teams = More $!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/21/15 02:16 PM

but does weschester have enough talent at each age group to field that many "A" teams? I think not , therefore we are looking at multiple B level teams
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/21/15 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there not an inherent conflict of interest between Express LI and North? at the same age level, how can the Express organization get both teams into the best tournaments? I grant you that so far it appears that they've been successful, but isn't that only because the Express North 2018 team is very good and the means by which they are growing the Express North product offering. It would seem Younger Express North teams may be at a disadvantage. There are only limited spots in the best tournaments. Thoughts?


Conflict of interest because they share the same name? They are 2 different teams serving 2 different geographical locations. If they are both good teams and can compete at a high level why shouldn't they be able to play in the same tournaments? The higher level tournaments want strong teams, they aren't going to say no to one Express team for a lower level team just so they don't have 2 teams with the same name.

The North 2018, 2019 and 2023/24 teams all had great summers, I don't think conflict of interest will be a problem.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/21/15 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
but does weschester have enough talent at each age group to field that many "A" teams? I think not , therefore we are looking at multiple B level teams


There may be a huge disparity in talent this year. Many of the Westchester teams are having tryouts the same day, Aug. 30. A couple teams will likely get the bulk of talent with the teams with light turnout getting the boys that didn't make those teams. PT is 9a, 91TS is 1030a and Express North is 1230p. Preds 2nd day is also Aug. 30 also at Purchase right after 91TS.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/21/15 02:32 PM

did the 23/24 team compete in the higher brackets? will they be able to this year?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/21/15 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
but does weschester have enough talent at each age group to field that many "A" teams? I think not , therefore we are looking at multiple B level teams


There may be a huge disparity in talent this year. Many of the Westchester teams are having tryouts the same day, Aug. 30. A couple teams will likely get the bulk of talent with the teams with light turnout getting the boys that didn't make those teams. PT is 9a, 91TS is 1030a and Express North is 1230p. Preds 2nd day is also Aug. 30 also at Purchase right after 91TS.


Six clubs are having tryouts on Aug. 30th. The best you could do is pick three that don't overlap and are geographically close, and try to hit those.

But, how tired is your kid going to be after that first or second tryout -- especially if they give it their all?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/21/15 03:06 PM

so how do people rank these organizations at the younger age brackets in terms of overall experience
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/23/15 01:16 PM

The arms race among the local clubs to stage early tryouts on same weekend is going to create a weird situation. It does not benefit players/parents at all. It forces you to pick 1-2 teams to try to make without being able to evaluate options.

some thoughts on the younger (2024-2021) levels:
91 Tri-State will rely on the name but fight for talent ... not pulling best kids yet even with HOS/High Impact consolidation
Predators solid but younger teams start new and that'll be tough
2Way is the quiet name that is in a good spot since they started last fall with some solid squads ... likely just trying to improve in spots.
PrimeTime hurting ... terrible 2023 team and too much competition
LIExpress North had good summer and like 2Way just filling key spots
Eclipse is mainly New Canaan/Brunswick kids ... solid and building

M11, Greenwich, Topside around but don't have presence at normal tourneys
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/24/15 12:01 PM

i agree, i think the biggest problem with some of these clubs is that they place their B caliber 3/4 teams into the A brackets and get demolished. when you lose games 20-0 , i am not sure how that can be a great experience for any player. Imagine the 3 attack, sitting on the field, never even seeing the ball after driving to a tourney. or the goalies confidence as he spends an entire game digging the ball out of the net. Tristate was in the B division and they held their own, which is fine for a first year team. I believe, Express North was the same . at the younger ages, just giving players good coaching and reps in a game goes a long way
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/24/15 01:39 PM

No conflicts.

Younger Express North teams will do well because coaching is top notch and 2018 North team are great role models and actively mentors younger players.

Harvey School facilities and location is big advantage as well.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/24/15 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
No conflicts.

Younger Express North teams will do well because coaching is top notch and 2018 North team are great role models and actively mentors younger players.

Harvey School facilities and location is big advantage as well.


Who coached younger North teams last year? (I see that they have added some coaches from Iona. Interesting because the Predators have some connection with Fordham.)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/24/15 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No conflicts.

Younger Express North teams will do well because coaching is top notch and 2018 North team are great role models and actively mentors younger players.

Harvey School facilities and location is big advantage as well.


Who coached younger North teams last year? (I see that they have added some coaches from Iona. Interesting because the Predators have some connection with Fordham.)


just heard the tuition of those two: Iona and Fordham. How do they compare to Chaminade and St. Anthony's academically.

How do Stepinac and Kennedy Catholic compare (sports and academics) are they like St Marys, St Doms, Kelly, SJB.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/24/15 04:20 PM

who is coaching the younger north teams this year?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/24/15 07:14 PM

Good insight on the younger ages. For what it's worth, here are thoughts on the 2020-2017 ages.
-Seems to be a geographic divide between northern and southern westchester as well as some strong teams/weaker teams amongst clubs depending on grad year. Express North (2018 and 2019 very strong) rule. Express North gets about half their kids from CT. In southern Westchester, Predators seem to dominate (2017 team is top notch). 3d Tri-state has mainly CT and second level Brunswick kids. Chargers and Eclipse rarely have Westchester kids anymore.
-91 Tri-state, HOS, Top Side, 2Way are B/B- level teams and don't compete for the elite players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/24/15 09:01 PM

When looking at younger teams, find a program with a coach who you know will get the most out of your son.

No one is getting recruited before the 2019 year, so why parents think they need to go with a "big name" club is beyond me. Don't get me wrong, a good deal of "big name" clubs have great coaches at the younger levels as well, but a lot of time you can find great coaches at a lot of clubs.

Also, the final score of your son's 2023 game doesn't necessarily mean he isn't getting better. Is the 18th kid on the best 2023 team getting the same experience as the 6th 2023 kid on a "lower level" club? That is for you to decide.

Rule of thumb...if you think your kid is just being used as a roster filler...it might be best to explore another program. It's your money.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/24/15 09:12 PM

Found it interesting to see that Chargers moved their tryouts to Bridgeport and away from their traditional Darien location. Eclipse is having tryouts at Greens Farm not at a New Canaan location. Everyone is moving around. Primetime too.

Agreed: very few kids from Westchester go to Chargers anymore. I know of a couple who go to Eclipse.
Agreed: there is a north/south split with Predators drawing the best from the south (Bronxville, Pelham, Rye) and Express North and Primetime from north of I-287 and from Southwest CT, including Greewhich and Wilton. Primetime draws from a very wide area don't know about Express North.

Don't see any kids from Yorktown on any of these teams. They have the Ballers to play on, but I don't remember seeing them at any of the big tournaments. Has anyone else seen this team play anywhere? Where do they play?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/25/15 02:12 AM

Maybe other towns should adopt the Yorktown model. Play with your high school teammates over the summer. Seems to work well for Yorktown.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/25/15 12:06 PM

THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT THE PEOPLE THAT RUN THE TOWN TEAMS ARE NOT THE SAME ONES MAKING MONEY ON THE SUMMER TRAVEL PROGRAMS- LOOK AT PRIMETIME, JJ YOUTH LACROSSE WAS ALLOWING PRIMETIME TO USE THE HS FIELDS FOR FREE AND THEN THEY WERE CUTTING ALL JOHN JAY KIDS, CERTAINLY THAT IS NOT THE RECIPE FOR GROWING THE GAME IN YOUR OWN TOWN, AND WHATS WORSE IS THE YOUTH ORGANIZATION ALLOWED THIS KNOWING THEIR OWN KIDS WERE GETTING CUT. REALLY REALLY SAD
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/25/15 12:38 PM

I guess it's all about the money.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/25/15 04:16 PM

JJ Youth lacrosse is not responsible for field use in the district. That is the responsibility of the Katonah Lewisboro School district Administration.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/25/15 05:20 PM

jj yl does not say anything to the school district, because its the same people , therefore they must approve of a "for profit" entity cutting their players for kids out of the district, I am told they finally put an end to this .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/25/15 05:38 PM

Starting to explain why the public schools are hosting too many club teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/25/15 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
jj yl does not say anything to the school district, because its the same people , therefore they must approve of a "for profit" entity cutting their players for kids out of the district, I am told they finally put an end to this .


Probably why club teams are moving to private schools and SUNY Purchase.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/25/15 06:10 PM

imagine being a tax payer and losing your fields to a group of people that are profiting from fields that you pay for and your kid gets cut- that is a not an organization that is looking out for the future of that towns lacrosse program
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/25/15 06:38 PM

Maybe if the John Jay coach had a summer team for the JJ players, same for Somers, Yorktown, Fox Lane, Bronxville, Pleasantville etc. We could all play each other over the summer and save time and money with expensive club fees, travel, personal trainers, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/25/15 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Found it interesting to see that Chargers moved their tryouts to Bridgeport and away from their traditional Darien location. Eclipse is having tryouts at Greens Farm not at a New Canaan location. Everyone is moving around. Primetime too.

Agreed: very few kids from Westchester go to Chargers anymore. I know of a couple who go to Eclipse.
Agreed: there is a north/south split with Predators drawing the best from the south (Bronxville, Pelham, Rye) and Express North and Primetime from north of I-287 and from Southwest CT, including Greewhich and Wilton. Primetime draws from a very wide area don't know about Express North.

Don't see any kids from Yorktown on any of these teams. They have the Ballers to play on, but I don't remember seeing them at any of the big tournaments. Has anyone else seen this team play anywhere? Where do they play?


There are Yorktown kids on Express North
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/25/15 07:00 PM

u probably could also play the club teams as well- good practice for both
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/26/15 04:43 AM

Predators are hands down the best program in Westchester. The coaches are incredibly devoted to the kids and are committed to making them great lacrosse players. These guys love to coach and train the boys and that makes it a very special environment.




Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/26/15 08:12 PM

I think all of us would love to see a genuine Westchester/Fairfield-only tourney this summer. Westchester Games was a start but only drew 91 teams really. Here's to hoping the program directors challenge each other to play in a local tourney. Not in a mean-spirited way but a "hey, let's see what you got" positive vibe.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/26/15 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Predators are hands down the best program in Westchester. The coaches are incredibly devoted to the kids and are committed to making them great lacrosse players. These guys love to coach and train the boys and that makes it a very special environment.


I Completely agree with this assessment.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/28/15 11:59 AM

That's funny
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/28/15 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
u probably could also play the club teams as well- good practice for both


I don't get the just play for your town scenario... it doesn't work. Staying with your town will not get you to be a better player. Yes it enhances the team concept tremendously but doesn't not elevate the play of individual players.

Playing for another coach also broadens your perspective of the game and gives you another voice in your cache of instructions.

Let me make this clear, I am not saying choose one or the other. I believe there is room to do both and we need to make sure we make room for both.

(the exception to the rule are the privates on LI but this is a Westchester link)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/28/15 01:58 PM

let me be clear- all those points above are valid however, i am focusing on the younger age teams. at some point middle school maybe, it makes sense to play club lacrosse if your end goal is college lacrosse. here is the dilemma i see in westchester right now , too many club teams, not enough "A" players. however programs like Primetime will take their 3/4 team down to long island and get demolished. its not as if we dont have the high quality players, we do, its just that we dont have as many. primetime 3/4 last year got beat something like 160 goals against 50 goals scored. that cannot possibly be a good experience for most players. if you have a quality town team, that is a big if, then why not keep those kids together for as long as possible, put them in the B brackets and let them have a chance at winning while also teaching them . no reason you still cant pay for higher level coaching
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/28/15 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
let me be clear- all those points above are valid however, i am focusing on the younger age teams. at some point middle school maybe, it makes sense to play club lacrosse if your end goal is college lacrosse. here is the dilemma i see in westchester right now , too many club teams, not enough "A" players. however programs like Primetime will take their 3/4 team down to long island and get demolished. its not as if we dont have the high quality players, we do, its just that we dont have as many. primetime 3/4 last year got beat something like 160 goals against 50 goals scored. that cannot possibly be a good experience for most players. if you have a quality town team, that is a big if, then why not keep those kids together for as long as possible, put them in the B brackets and let them have a chance at winning while also teaching them . no reason you still cant pay for higher level coaching


If their aren't enough A players for club teams in Westchester, how do you expect Town programs to field quality club teams?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/28/15 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
let me be clear- all those points above are valid however, i am focusing on the younger age teams. at some point middle school maybe, it makes sense to play club lacrosse if your end goal is college lacrosse. here is the dilemma i see in westchester right now , too many club teams, not enough "A" players. however programs like Primetime will take their 3/4 team down to long island and get demolished. its not as if we dont have the high quality players, we do, its just that we dont have as many. primetime 3/4 last year got beat something like 160 goals against 50 goals scored. that cannot possibly be a good experience for most players. if you have a quality town team, that is a big if, then why not keep those kids together for as long as possible, put them in the B brackets and let them have a chance at winning while also teaching them . no reason you still cant pay for higher level coaching


I APOLOGIZE, IMHO TRAVEL SHOULD START AT 5TH GRADE. THE BELOW IS FOR 5TH AND ABOVE PLAYERS WILL COME AND GO ON THOSE TEAMS FOR THE NEXT 4/5 YEARS.

understand your points, lived through it. Just please do not limit your child's learning curve and experience if you can help it. If you have the means and the logistics work, you should try the travel route. Just be a wise consumer don't set your wallet or child up for failure.

Now, I just said don't do one or the other. I am a fan of doing both. Playing as a town does build a future and is great, nothing like playing with your friends; and if your child plays travel there is nothing better than playing against your travel buddies.

BUT, That good town team only has a handful of special players; those special players can and will benefit from playing with and against other players that are better. The worst thing you can do is make your child the best player on any team especially at the younger ages.

I will disagree with you about the term winning. When you play, whether it is sports, cards or tag, you play to win. I get that. You have fun in the pursuit to win. You just may not always win. That said, You wouldnt play a sport, cards or tag if you didn't think you had a chance to win or if you knew you'd lose all the time. You play something with the hopes you will win (if at least only once).

In any sport I don't care if you happen to lose every game. It is all relative, it is the spread of the win or loss that means something (score differential). IT IS ABOUT THE CHANCE TO WIN. Sure, it is good to blow team outs, but I also think it is healthy to get blown out, but it is the best when your teams play and the goal differential is within 5 your team, that means your placed against the correct opponents.

but as you said you don't have as much talented players, well if you don't have as much talented players on club then your town teams are just as diluted and the experiences for the better kids on town teams is just not going to enhance their play, as well, their being "forced" to play solely with the town... doesn't necessarily bring up the level for the developing players. That instead may led to those developing players taking aback seat and losing interest.

I love the concept of the town sticking together, but not at the detriment of advancing the better players. If each player plays a level above their usual play the town team will become that much better. Although you do need to become wary that some of those special players go another route all together and you may loose them forever, just remember that is their parents call and you cant dictate what one parent does for their child. where you think it is right wrong or indifferent)


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/28/15 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
let me be clear- all those points above are valid however, i am focusing on the younger age teams. at some point middle school maybe, it makes sense to play club lacrosse if your end goal is college lacrosse. here is the dilemma i see in westchester right now , too many club teams, not enough "A" players. however programs like Primetime will take their 3/4 team down to long island and get demolished. its not as if we dont have the high quality players, we do, its just that we dont have as many. primetime 3/4 last year got beat something like 160 goals against 50 goals scored. that cannot possibly be a good experience for most players. if you have a quality town team, that is a big if, then why not keep those kids together for as long as possible, put them in the B brackets and let them have a chance at winning while also teaching them . no reason you still cant pay for higher level coaching


No we all know politics plays its part on both travel and Town. Did politics have anything to do with why the PT team was not as strong as it could have been? Additionally, don't fall into the trap of because you are the best team in Westchester you need to play the best teams and tournaments on LI. Call out to a few LI teams and have a friendly. Invite them up and treat for Pizza. See what you have after you do this 2 or 3 times you will know where you stand.

I am all for challenging your team and players, you never want to be the best; you always want to work for what you get. At the same time you never want to out class your team and players where they are out of their league and get demoralized. Because sometimes your best isn't good enough, and that is okay, you just dont need to be reminded every weekend.



Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/28/15 03:42 PM

whats the difference at that point- in one scenario- you get a town team that plays in the b bracket of a tourney or you pay 2k to go to the same tourney? either way its a B team at best. as long as u get a quality coach. plenty of A players in Westchester, but not enough to field 3-5 teams at some age brackets .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/28/15 03:50 PM

PT philosophy, "No one learns anything at a B tourney" i disagree
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/28/15 05:09 PM

IF PT takes the best kids ( no politics)
they should be the top team ahead of Predators.
this should be the case now that they are not at JJ
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/28/15 09:32 PM

Good Luck to all the boys trying out this weekend and to the parents rushing around trying to get to as many as they can!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/29/15 12:49 AM

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I am frequently asked questions about lacrosse player development and how your son or daughter can play lacrosse in college. There are many answers to this question, or maybe there is only one. If you want to know about the current recruiting landscape in the world of lacrosse and why developing skills NOW matters, please read on. Iíll try to keep it simple and more importantly brutally honest.

I saw a post on Facebook the other day where a woman was asking ďwhy canít sports go back to the way they were when we were kids. Now kids are so over-scheduled and have to play their sport year roundÖ..Ē. When I saw the post, I wanted to reply with the answer, at least as it relates to lacrosse. I donít think itís all that complicated either, but Iíll get to that.

Letís back up a bit (a lot further back than I want to actually admit), but letís go back to the year 1990. In fact, letís go back to November of 1990, just before Thanksgiving. Itís a Saturday. I am a high school senior. I have just completed a football game at Horace Greeley High SchoolÖit was a close game but we pulled out a win. I hustle to the locker room for the post game speech by Coach S. I quickly change my clothes and catch a ride directly to the airport. I am headed to my ďofficial visitĒ to Syracuse University as a prospective lacrosse player. I have already visited Loyola College and Head Coach Dave Cottle has already come to my home the weekend before to have a beer with my father after watching me and 2 other Yorktown lacrosse players from our football team play in the game. As it turns out, those two other players, Matt Dwan and Jason Foley, both commit to Loyola in the weeks following this game, as HS Seniors. So I take my flightÖ.arrive in Syracuse and spend 2 nights with Dom Fin, a freshman student-athlete at Syracuse University. I get the usual campus tour, trip to Marshall Street and visit a few of the lacrosse ďhousesĒ for various events. On the Monday morning before I leave, I have a meeting with Head Coach Roy Simmons Jr. We meet in the bleachers of Manley Field House and we have a brief conversation. After some small talk, he pulls out a manila envelope with an official scholarship offer from Syracuse University. As he explains to me, the offer is for a full scholarship. My parents will only be responsible for the cost of my books each semester. Everything else is covered. I smile and tell him I really appreciate the offer and that I am really excited about the idea of playing for Syracuse. However, I also tell him that Loyola College has also offered me a full scholarship, and they are willing to pay for my books as well. As I leave, I promise to speak with my parents and call him with an answer by the end of the week. He says that would be great and I catch a ride back to the airport. I am back in Yorktown in time to attend our football practice on Monday afternoon. And my decision to attend Syracuse University is made be the end of the evening.

We need to fast forward 25 years to get the ďsimpleĒ answer to the Facebook post question I spoke of earlier. What has changed over 25 years and why? To start, think about thisÖI was a SENIOR in HS and still uncommitted. I was one of the most highly recruited players in the country that year. I had my pick of almost any school I wanted to attendÖ.and yet, in November of my SENIOR YEAR, I was just beginning to get serious about an actual decision. And Iím lucky that decisions were made that late. TRUTH BE TOLD, IF SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY HAD EVALUATED ME AS A FRESHMAN OR EVEN A SOPHOMORE IN HS, THERE IS LITTLE DOUBT THEY WOULD HAVE DISMISSED THE IDEA OF EVEN RECRUITING ME, LET ALONE OFFERING ME A FULL SCHOLARSHIP. As a sophomore player on Yorktownís 1989 State Championship team, I was a hard working crease player in a 2-2-2- offense. I had no outside shot and I couldnít have dodged a long pole for the life of me. Of course, between my sophomore year and my senior year I had the stick in my hands 24-7 and I spent a ton of time in the weight room and on the track working on my speed and agility. I became an excellent player through hard work and dedication in the last two years I spent at Yorktown HS. And the rest is historyÖ..hard work and dedication and skill acquisition carried me all the way to the National Hall of Fame.

GREAT ROY, WHATíS THE ANSWER?

Iím glad you asked. The answer is that Division 1 coaches are making recruiting decisions and doing their evaluations on players who have not yet spent a single day in their respective high school hallways, let alone on their varsity teams. THEREFORE, THE PRESSURE IS ON PLAYERS IN GRADES 6, 7 & 8 TO MAKE THE SAME PROGRESS IN THEIR SKILLS & LACROSSE ABILITIES THAT I MADE AS A HS JUNIOR AND SENIOR. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS DRIVING ALL OF THE MADNESS THAT WE ARE SEEING IN LACROSSE IN 2015. AND THIS IS WHY IF YOUR SON OR DAUGHTER HAS A DREAM OF PLAYING LACROSSE AT A DIVISION 1 SCHOOL, YOU NEED TO MAKE SOME VERY IMPORTANT DECISIONS WITH REGARD TO WHAT HE OR SHE DOES TO MAKE PROGRESS RIGHT NOW. IF YOU WAIT UNTIL THEY ARE IN HS TO FOCUS ON THIS ISSUE, YOU WILL BE LEFT BEHIND.

IS THERE ANY GOOD NEWS?

Sure. There is good news. The good news is that players who work extremely hard and eventually develop excellent skill sets and way above average lacrosse abilities while in 9th & 10th grade will eventually become excellent HS players and will enjoy playing a sport they love at the highest level, and maybe even garner some post-season awards. There are many excellent Division 2 and 3 schools that will be interested in attracting your child's services during their HS playing years. There are also likely to be some D-1 schools that are in the mix, but they are few and far between and they will be looking to fill very specific needs.

SO WHAT DO WE DO?

I canít tell any of you what to do about an issue that quite frankly bothers me as much as it bothers you. Having to tell my 6th grade son that his ďdream schoolĒ will in all likelihood make a final decision on him during the summer after his 8th grade school year makes me want to scream. But itís reality and he has a plan.

IíD ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO CONSIDER MAKING A PLAN AS WELL. GET BETTER NOWÖGET BETTER RIGHT NOW! DONíT WAIT. DONíT PUT IT OFF. THE WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY IS GETTING SMALLER EVERY SINGLE DAY!

If your son or daughter has a dream of playing lacrosse at the D-1 level, help them to develop their skills in as many ways as you can. This isnít a plug for any of the programs I run. There are many great programs out there that can help your son or daughter develop stick skills that will stand out among their peers. Because ultimately, that is how they are going to be judgedÖ.how good is your player compared to the players that they are surrounded by and compared to the players they are playing against.

WHAT ABOUT THE SCHOLARSHIP?

The full scholarship is almost a myth in 2015. They simply donít exist! A few players in each recruiting class may get that type of offer, but it is extremely rare. If your son or daughter is an excellent player and garners the attention of multiple D-1 schools, he or she is likely to be offered a scholarship in the 25-30 percent range. A BIG scholarship is any offer over 50%. And the scholarship discussion still happens way, way after most verbal commitments are made.

WHAT EXACTLY IS A VERBAL COMMITMENT? DOES IT INCLUDE A SCHOLARSHIP OFFER?

A verbal offer is an offer for a prospective student-athlete to attend a D-1 school with the promise of a roster spot when they get there, assuming they maintain their grades and are able to get into the school when it comes time. Thatís it. And itís non-binding. The player and/or the coach can change their mind at ANY time, and sometimes they do. Coaches try very hard not to back out of verbal offers because it means future verbal offer carry less weight. Many players who ďverbalĒ to a school do not discuss scholarship specifics at that point in time..they are simply thrilled to have been offered a roster spot and worry about the money later.

WHAT ABOUT A PG YEAR OR REPEATING 8TH GRADE?

The PG year has come and gone. Players who PG now only benefit if they are smart enough to announce their intention to do a PG as an 8th or 9th grader and then reclassify themselves on the recruiting circuit as a younger aged player....i.e. a 2019 player declares he will PG and begins to attend 2020 recruiting events or plays for a 2020 year club team the following summer.

Repeating 8th grade has become an incredibly common practice. In fact, some club teams actually recommend that ALL of their players repeat 8th grade if they are serious about attending a top tier division 1 school. I don't share this belief, but I will concede that repeating 8th grade gives a player another year to grow and develop as a player. To me, this is a last resort option, but I know plenty of players who have either repeated 8th grade or intend to repeat 8th grade in order to gain a year on their competition. If you look at the ages of the boys who are freshman in college playing lacrosse right now, you will find that most of them are significantly older than their non-athlete peers.


SO WHAT DO WE DO TO GET NOTICED?

DEVELOP SKILLS THAT ARE BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSEíS AND TAKE THEM ON THE ROAD. GET FASTER AND STRONGER NOW. PLAY FOR A QUALITY SUMMER TEAM. ATTEND SHOWCASES. GO TO THE PROSPECT DAYS OF INDIVIDUAL SCHOOLS. ATTEND THE SUMMER CAMP OF YOUR FAVORITE SCHOOL. GET IN FRONT OF THEIR COACHING STAFF AND MAKE IT COUNTÖTHE ONLY THING WORSE THAN NO EXPOSURE IS NEGATIVE EXPOSURE. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE SEEN, BY ALL MEANS MAKE SURE YOU ARE READY TO PLAY!!!

There is plenty more to write about but I have taken up more than enough time for one afternoonÖ.I wish you all the best on your journeyÖtry to enjoy it and help your son or daughter embrace the hard work it will undoubtedly take to become a Division 1 Lacrosse Player!

DISCLAIMER- The opinions expressed in this email are exactly that, the opinions of one person. Your experience may be different. I would strongly encourage you to do your own research!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/29/15 01:06 AM

Blah, blah, blah. All of the Superstar teams are now weak except the 2022 AA team ... and that's just because Roy's son is on the team and he personally coaches it and devotes attention.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/29/15 02:05 AM

His teams are weak and he's grasping for whatever he can to keep his league afloat. GREAT lacrosse player however.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/29/15 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
IF PT takes the best kids ( no politics)
they should be the top team ahead of Predators.
this should be the case now that they are not at JJ

Prime Time does a good job placing strong players, they are not good at coaching though. Very hit or miss.

Predators are all about skill development. If you want your son to be a strong player go with the Predators. Your son will get hands on coaching from guys who are passionate.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/15 11:58 AM

Huge turnout for Express North for the younger grades. I think the 2022's had upwards of 60 kids. Not surprising there was a large contingent of John Jay kids at all grade levels. Seemed well run and organized.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/15 01:24 PM

Quite an impressive turnout. Very well run. Harvey facility is a home run.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/15 05:17 PM

It is incredibly clear who is fueling these Express North posts. Gotta promote yourself I guess.

Every tryout I heard about had good numbers. Players try out for multiple teams and often times you will see exhausted, sweaty kids get out of a car coming from another tryout.

Tryout numbers are great, but I am more concerned with who these players ultimately decide to play for.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/15 05:35 PM

I'm sure preedators coaches are passionate. Look at express North coaches and their backgrounds . Passion ,track records .word is half of 18 team is committed .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/15 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is incredibly clear who is fueling these Express North posts. Gotta promote yourself I guess.

Every tryout I heard about had good numbers. Players try out for multiple teams and often times you will see exhausted, sweaty kids get out of a car coming from another tryout.

Tryout numbers are great, but I am more concerned with who these players ultimately decide to play for.


I'm the father of a kid who is trying out for Express North. One of my sons played with them last year and had a great experience. Does every post have to be negative or confrontational? My sons coaches are intense, knowledgeable and 100% committed to the team and the kids. I can't ask for more and hope his brother makes the team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/15 05:53 PM

I have had kids play for both Teams coaches and experience was very positive in both cases.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/15 05:56 PM

Agreed.

No self promotion here. my kids have had a great experience with North.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/15 08:24 PM

Some things seen at SUNY-Purchase tryouts for lower Westchester clubs last weekend pertaining to 2022/2023/2024 ... (note- assembled from some local parents):
Predators had some great numbers and organization. Around 50 players for 2023 and 2022 on day 1. Many coaches and evaluators including older team stars. Some real talent out there. Could easily field 2 decent teams per age group.
91 Tri-State had less kids than Predators but organized, many coaches on hand. Setting up dedicated 2023 and 2024 teams after split squad. 2023 talent way less than Predators but many clubs will be in that boat.
2Way had less numbers than Predators and 91, not as organized and not many coaches or staff evaluating. Could not tell grades apart, all mixed together, so that upset parents. Several younger players also were at 91 or Predators. Talent very mixed.
No word on Topside or Express North or PT.
Overall, the impressions seem to mirror the comments on this board ... Predators very strong, 91 building, 2Way not major player.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/15 09:12 PM

North the powers . Very predator biased above.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/15 09:39 PM

Any updates as to numbers for older kids?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/15 10:09 PM

Hopefully someone will tell us how the LIE North and Prinetime tryouts went.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/15 11:58 AM

I was at the Predators and Long Island Express North tryouts for 2022 and 23. Predators very good talent and yes about 50 kids in each group. LIE North good talent and 45 boys tried out.

The Predators 2022 boys, current 6th graders, are supposed to be 11 years old. I can not believe the amount of left back kids at Predator tryout. I would say almost half of the 2022 players on the field were 12 or 13 years old. Makes a big difference. Insane how the parents in Rye and Bronxville have brought their front running wall street antics to youth lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/15 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hopefully someone will tell us how the LIE North and Prinetime tryouts went.


Both of my boys attended the Express North tryouts so I was at the field for about 4 hours. It appeared the 2024 & 2025's had 50-60 kids trying out. I was vey impressed with the number of evaluators and coaches. They had coaches running drills while evaluators monitored and took notes. I've been to tryouts where one or two coaches are trying to run the drills and evaluate and that isn't effective. It looked like they had 4 guys running each tryout with a few additional floaters walking from group to group.

Bottom line, my kids had a chance to be seen and probably learned something because I heard them getting some coaching. I'm satisfied and my guys are looking forward to the next round. I won't compare the tryouts to the other my boys attended.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/15 01:41 PM

Eclipse, which is mostly CT but some Westchester, had really big numbers at the youth teams from 2024 - 2021 and ran very well organized tryouts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/15 04:45 PM

Talent at Eclipse 2021 was off the charts
They weren't just CT kids either
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/15 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Talent at Eclipse 2021 was off the charts
They weren't just CT kids either


Agreed. Talent level was tops. It appears most of the kids making the team are New Canaan A team and Darien A team with some others sprinkled in. Not surprising. This is a NC driven program and they have not been shy about talking about how it is to develop NC kids. But the Darien kids are so good they can't ignore them!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/15 06:31 PM

Why are we talking ct lax in a west. forum. Plenty of CT programs to have their own thread. Same now with west.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/15 06:47 PM

Because some westchester kids play for Connecticut teams and some Connecticut kids play for westchester teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/15 06:59 PM

Our town team played NC and the NC kids, 8 or 9 of them towered over our tallest kid.

What is the left back policy in NC? Greenwich was the same way.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/15 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our town team played NC and the NC kids, 8 or 9 of them towered over our tallest kid.

What is the left back policy in NC? Greenwich was the same way.


Like a lot of affluent hyper competitive towns there is a huge contingent that hold their kids back a year before entering kindergarten. Some will repeat the process in 7th or 8th grade when they move their kid to private school.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/15 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our town team played NC and the NC kids, 8 or 9 of them towered over our tallest kid.

What is the left back policy in NC? Greenwich was the same way.


Like a lot of affluent hyper competitive towns there is a huge contingent that hold their kids back a year before entering kindergarten. Some will repeat the process in 7th or 8th grade when they move their kid to private school.


Super lame practice. When enough people hold their kids back a grade it will have no appreciable impact. Edge Lacrosse plays all of their teams down a grade/age bracket, really taking the hold back practice beyond the pale.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/15 08:06 PM

How is that ultra competitive? If you were competitive you would play your kid up, NOT down. Playing against better/older kids is more competitive not playing against younger kids. I know some of these people from these towns and they are controlling US Lacrosse not to implement an age (fair) based system like soccer, hockey and other sports.

In wrestling, there are weight classes for fair competition, in youth sports the best method of fair play is age.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/15 08:26 PM

Most of the parents in Connecticut also want age based teams. Grade based teams leads to hold backs and parents trying to game the system.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/15 08:59 PM

HA sounds like you're kids on the team, not all people who played for preds feel this way.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/15 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most of the parents in Connecticut also want age based teams. Grade based teams leads to hold backs and parents trying to game the system.


I was at the Express North tryouts. You had the real 2021's clocking in at about 5'. And then you had the holdbacks, already turning 13 clocking in at 5'4'' ore more. I saw a giant kid there, had to be 5'10". Wasn't that talented but he was running over kids and you could see the coaches scribbling notes. I am sure that despite the weak lax skills they were thinking, "I can work with that"....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/15 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was at the Predators and Long Island Express North tryouts for 2022 and 23. Predators very good talent and yes about 50 kids in each group. LIE North good talent and 45 boys tried out.

The Predators 2022 boys, current 6th graders, are supposed to be 11 years old. I can not believe the amount of left back kids at Predator tryout. I would say almost half of the 2022 players on the field were 12 or 13 years old. Makes a big difference. Insane how the parents in Rye and Bronxville have brought their front running wall street antics to youth lacrosse.


Pure speculation. If it IS done it certainly is not done with the knowing cooperation of the Predators staff
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/04/15 12:22 PM

End the speculation. Age verification. I have spoken with several coaches and parents that have verified the left back status of their kids but nothing is done about it. Go to the Yale Fall Bulldog tournament and you will see it on display. Unfortunately it may take a kid getting hurt to change.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/04/15 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
End the speculation. Age verification. I have spoken with several coaches and parents that have verified the left back status of their kids but nothing is done about it. Go to the Yale Fall Bulldog tournament and you will see it on display. Unfortunately it may take a kid getting hurt to change.


I agree but don't make baseless claims in an attempt to tarnish a program's reputation. Also not all (if any) families from bronxville or rye believe as you suggest.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/04/15 03:31 PM

It is real simple. Age verification. And play your age.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/04/15 06:49 PM

How do you know that
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/04/15 07:31 PM

That? what left back kids playing younger kids is that your question?

Simple solution, age verification and play kids their own age.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/04/15 09:20 PM

Meant how does the predator poster know kids are being held back without Predator coaches knowing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/04/15 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
End the speculation. Age verification. I have spoken with several coaches and parents that have verified the left back status of their kids but nothing is done about it. Go to the Yale Fall Bulldog tournament and you will see it on display. Unfortunately it may take a kid getting hurt to change.


I agree but don't make baseless claims in an attempt to tarnish a program's reputation. Also not all (if any) families from bronxville or rye believe as you suggest.


Any, I know at least 2 families in bronxville who strongly believe holding back is the way. As far as Rye, they never needed it, but I go back to the flood days.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/05/15 12:09 PM

Everyone stop with the back and forth, just age verify. It is done in hockey, soccer, baseball and it's time has come to age verify in lacrosse. It will end all arguments. Everyone should lobby US Lacrosse to enforce age appropriate playing rule.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/05/15 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone stop with the back and forth, just age verify. It is done in hockey, soccer, baseball and it's time has come to age verify in lacrosse. It will end all arguments. Everyone should lobby US Lacrosse to enforce age appropriate playing rule.


Shouldn't this be moved to the Age Verification thread so the focus can return to Westchester Lacrosse?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/05/15 03:02 PM

Agreed. Move this convo to the age Verification thread. Any other thoughts on quality of tryouts or talent/numbers at them?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/06/15 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
End the speculation. Age verification. I have spoken with several coaches and parents that have verified the left back status of their kids but nothing is done about it. Go to the Yale Fall Bulldog tournament and you will see it on display. Unfortunately it may take a kid getting hurt to change.


This argument has been going on for years in the Long Island and Maryland threads. Bottom line, in high school you play against older kids and in college you play against men. Might as well get used to it now. Makes your son a better player.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/06/15 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
End the speculation. Age verification. I have spoken with several coaches and parents that have verified the left back status of their kids but nothing is done about it. Go to the Yale Fall Bulldog tournament and you will see it on display. Unfortunately it may take a kid getting hurt to change.


This argument has been going on for years in the Long Island and Maryland threads. Bottom line, in high school you play against older kids and in college you play against men. Might as well get used to it now. Makes your son a better player.


The HS kids can still play against older/younger kids- but why not attach a birth year to every player? A coach seeing a small 15 yr old, man handle a big18 yr old fully developed kid gives one food for thought. That smaller 15 yr old sure seems like a good bet if he can handle the older, stronger, bigger player and has yet to go through puberty. Tables turned as well- knowing an older, bigger player repeatedly gets best by kids 1-3 yrs younger gives one something to think about. As long as kids are fighting for a roster spot, and are allowed to play down, age should be connected to their name. Let them play- but also let it be known that they are playing younger opponents. The only people fighting a birthdate being attached or published is those players and their families that have been left back. If you are do proud- might as well flaunt it publicly for all to see!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/06/15 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
End the speculation. Age verification. I have spoken with several coaches and parents that have verified the left back status of their kids but nothing is done about it. Go to the Yale Fall Bulldog tournament and you will see it on display. Unfortunately it may take a kid getting hurt to change.


This argument has been going on for years in the Long Island and Maryland threads. Bottom line, in high school you play against older kids and in college you play against men. Might as well get used to it now. Makes your son a better player.


Absurd logic. Comparing a 12 year old to an 18 year old. Just stupid.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/06/15 12:57 PM

Go to another thread please
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/06/15 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
End the speculation. Age verification. I have spoken with several coaches and parents that have verified the left back status of their kids but nothing is done about it. Go to the Yale Fall Bulldog tournament and you will see it on display. Unfortunately it may take a kid getting hurt to change.


This argument has been going on for years in the Long Island and Maryland threads. Bottom line, in high school you play against older kids and in college you play against men. Might as well get used to it now. Makes your son a better player.


Absurd logic. Comparing a 12 year old to an 18 year old. Just stupid.

In high school good freshman play against Seniors. So your looking at 14-15 versus 18-19. And those good freshman were playing against older kids when they were 12 and 13. If you want to play at a high level that is what happens. I agree embrace playing up and you will be a better player.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/06/15 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
End the speculation. Age verification. I have spoken with several coaches and parents that have verified the left back status of their kids but nothing is done about it. Go to the Yale Fall Bulldog tournament and you will see it on display. Unfortunately it may take a kid getting hurt to change.


This argument has been going on for years in the Long Island and Maryland threads. Bottom line, in high school you play against older kids and in college you play against men. Might as well get used to it now. Makes your son a better player.


Absurd logic. Comparing a 12 year old to an 18 year old. Just stupid.

In high school good freshman play against Seniors. So your looking at 14-15 versus 18-19. And those good freshman were playing against older kids when they were 12 and 13. If you want to play at a high level that is what happens. I agree embrace playing up and you will be a better player.


One would think this but the holdback philosophy has them only playing up in name only. Many of These kids are older.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/06/15 11:24 PM

I agree with playing up to make your son better, I have done that. The problem is the left back kids playing down are now two years older than my son. It is a problem and therefor it should be age based and if your kid wants to play up a year, GREAT. But when you have deception the age thing gets out of control and I have seen it first hand at a few tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/08/15 03:41 PM

The holdback issue only comes into play when kids being held back are taking roster spots from kids playing age or grad year appropriate.

If there are 100 roster spots/ tuition assistance and 20 are taken by kids whop are heldback, that reduces an age appropriate players chances of getting into certain schools and receiving some $$$. Its really that simple.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/08/15 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The holdback issue only comes into play when kids being held back are taking roster spots from kids playing age or grad year appropriate.

If there are 100 roster spots/ tuition assistance and 20 are taken by kids whop are heldback, that reduces an age appropriate players chances of getting into certain schools and receiving some $$$. Its really that simple.


Curious...if you balance those 20 holdback kids in that age group (ie, 2020) with 20 other kids that are absent from tryouts are held back for a younger age group (2021) making tryouts easier for the 80 non-holdback 2020 kids, is it a wash?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/09/15 10:20 PM

This holdback issue is whack yo! There's a kid in my sons grade who will be 20 in his senior year of high school
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/09/15 10:23 PM

I know it's so crazy! There's a kid in my sons grade who somehow will be driving in 8th grade and 21 in his senior year of high school
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/10/15 03:18 PM

does it make sense for a 4th grader(2024) to play with his friends on a B caliber team or up a grade 2023 if he or she is talented enough to make it?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/10/15 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
does it make sense for a 4th grader(2024) to play with his friends on a B caliber team or up a grade 2023 if he or she is talented enough to make it?


he or she would have more fun playing with friends in 4th grade right? Plenty of time to join the crazy train of elite travel teams and if the kid is elite they'll be a spot on those teams in 7 or 8th grade
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/10/15 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
does it make sense for a 4th grader(2024) to play with his friends on a B caliber team or up a grade 2023 if he or she is talented enough to make it?


Play with friends. Make it fun. The summer elite programs can suck the fun out of it pretty fast.
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Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/10/15 05:03 PM

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/14/15 02:51 AM

Anyone have any feedback on the express north tryouts?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/14/15 12:03 PM

you mean results or how were they run and attended?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/14/15 12:36 PM

Well attended at all levels with quality kids.

It will be tough to make the 2018 or 2019 given those teams are very talented and have been playing together for a while However both teams have needs and can improve at all positions.

The younger teams will be wide open and Express North will have some tough choices to make given all the kids that showed up.

Not sure when they announce who made the Teams?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/14/15 12:52 PM

i was at the 2022. 23, and 24 tryouts and was pleasantly surprised at the overall talent level given what I have seen at other tryouts
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/14/15 01:32 PM

My 2022 received a phone call from the express north coach yesterday letting him know he had made the team. Their last tryout was Saturday. I don't know about the other teams but 2022 had about 55-60 kids tryout out, many talented players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/14/15 04:01 PM

I heard a great story today, one that is very sad - talk about conflict of interest- john jay youth lacrosse president is calling up 9 year olds and trying to persuade them to play for Primetime. If this isnt wrong in so many ways, I dont know what is. whats the difference where they play at 9. If JJYL really cared about their kids, they would be doing more internally to keep them together and not worrying about making money . Shame on you !!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/14/15 04:19 PM

oh wow- i would have thought they would push for the greatest lax family in that area, the guy who runs the program out of purchase- all three brothers, sister are jj lax grads and father coaches - but regardless, definitely innapropriate to be flat out pushing for one program over another
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/14/15 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well attended at all levels with quality kids.

It will be tough to make the 2018 or 2019 given those teams are very talented and have been playing together for a while However both teams have needs and can improve at all positions.

The younger teams will be wide open and Express North will have some tough choices to make given all the kids that showed up.

Not sure when they announce who made the Teams?


My son attended the 2021 tryout yesterday and I can attest to the talent level. They could easily create two very talented teams. My son's friend was on the team last year and he and his parents have only had great things to say about the coaches and other parents. He will be very disappointed if he doesn't make the team.

Is it true most kids tryout for many different programs?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/14/15 06:55 PM

yes kids do in may cases try out for more than 1 programs to enhance their chances of having at least one option for next season.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/15/15 01:28 AM

Clubs must debate internally as to whether field 1 or 2 (or maybe even 3) teams per grade. Seems from my attending a few tryouts, input from others, and notes on this thread, that the turnouts for tryouts have been decent this fall in Westchester (and Fairfield). Anywhere in the 40-60 range per grade. Obviously that doesn't mean kids don't attend multiple tryouts. But there are still more kids wanting to play who won't find a home.

But not many clubs opt for a 2nd team. Guess it drains resources and lessens the club reputation from their POV.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/15/15 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My 2022 received a phone call from the express north coach yesterday letting him know he had made the team. Their last tryout was Saturday. I don't know about the other teams but 2022 had about 55-60 kids tryout out, many talented players.


My friends son got an invite tonight for Express North 2020AA
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/15/15 11:10 AM

Anyone have any insight on the status of the Express North 2021 team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/15/15 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have any insight on the status of the Express North 2021 team?


I don't think the 2021 invitations have been sent out. In fact I'm certain of it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/15/15 03:56 PM

Which clubs have offered at 2023 at this point?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/15/15 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have any insight on the status of the Express North 2021 team?


I don't think the 2021 invitations have been sent out. In fact I'm certain of it.


People, don't jump the gun on invites. Last season, our son didn't receive an invitation when his two buddies did. The next day an invitation from the same club was in my inbox. Thankfully I was patient and didn't commit to his #2 club choice and he was able to play with the team he really wanted.

Stay calm if you haven't heard from your #1.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/16/15 07:16 PM

Regarding younger teams (2024-21): I saw that the Predators announced their roster. Have any of the other teams (2way, PT, T91, Express North) announced anything yet? will they post names or send emails?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/16/15 07:53 PM

2way 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 have chosen their rosters.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/16/15 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Regarding younger teams (2024-21): I saw that the Predators announced their roster. Have any of the other teams (2way, PT, T91, Express North) announced anything yet? will they post names or send emails?


At least some of those teams have issued offers. Based on past practices, I do not believe all such clubs will ever post rosters as Predators did. PT put up links to register for those that have been offered, so it seems clear that offers have gone out from them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/17/15 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Regarding younger teams (2024-21): I saw that the Predators announced their roster. Have any of the other teams (2way, PT, T91, Express North) announced anything yet? will they post names or send emails?


At least some of those teams have issued offers. Based on past practices, I do not believe all such clubs will ever post rosters as Predators did. PT put up links to register for those that have been offered, so it seems clear that offers have gone out from them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Regarding younger teams (2024-21): I saw that the Predators announced their roster. Have any of the other teams (2way, PT, T91, Express North) announced anything yet? will they post names or send emails?


At least some of those teams have issued offers. Based on past practices, I do not believe all such clubs will ever post rosters as Predators did. PT put up links to register for those that have been offered, so it seems clear that offers have gone out from them.


Express North sent out invites between Sunday & Monday. I'm glad they don't post rosters, no one else's business where my son plays.
Posted By: Tycotian

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/18/15 10:22 PM

LIE North has the best Coaches in Westchester:

Entire Iona Prep staff
Savastano brothers,
Suno Hill
Tom Regan &
Chris Schreiber

Can't find anything better in Westchester.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/19/15 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by Tycotian
LIE North has the best Coaches in Westchester:

Entire Iona Prep staff
Savastano brothers,
Suno Hill
Tom Regan &
Chris Schreiber

Can't find anything better in Westchester.


Do you mean Sunho Lee? And yes he's great and highly respected.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/19/15 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by Tycotian
LIE North has the best Coaches in Westchester:

Entire Iona Prep staff
Savastano brothers,
Suno Hill
Tom Regan &
Chris Schreiber

Can't find anything better in Westchester.


Then we are all very glad that your son plays for the LIE North.

I think the coaching staffs at almost every club have good names and people who are doing great things.

Predators have the head coach of Fordham Prep and Yorktown legends.
PrimeTime has the head coach of Greenwich HS, Byram Hills, former Scarsdale etc...
T91 Tristate has Mike Bocklett head coach of Purchase
HOS has Ned Crotty, head coach of CW Post, head coach of Stepinac and Nyack
Top Side has head coach of Eastchester

There are head coaches coaching club teams in all programs which is great for the sport in the area. Again, worry about who is coaching YOUR sons team and not what people consider "big names" just because they are able to coach superior talent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/19/15 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Tycotian
LIE North has the best Coaches in Westchester:

Entire Iona Prep staff
Savastano brothers,
Suno Hill
Tom Regan &
Chris Schreiber

Can't find anything better in Westchester.


Then we are all very glad that your son plays for the LIE North.

I think the coaching staffs at almost every club have good names and people who are doing great things.

Predators have the head coach of Fordham Prep and Yorktown legends.
PrimeTime has the head coach of Greenwich HS, Byram Hills, former Scarsdale etc...
T91 Tristate has Mike Bocklett head coach of Purchase
HOS has Ned Crotty, head coach of CW Post, head coach of Stepinac and Nyack
Top Side has head coach of Eastchester

There are head coaches coaching club teams in all programs which is great for the sport in the area. Again, worry about who is coaching YOUR sons team and not what people consider "big names" just because they are able to coach superior talent.


There is great coaching all around. Just because you were a college stud doesn't translate into being a great coach. Someone somewhere decided that in lacrosse if you were not an all star player you can't possibly be a good coach. So absurd but great marketing. Even many weaker clubs have excellent coaches but have not been as successful in attracting high quality players. And it is getting so diluted anyway. Whether a particular grad year on any one team is strong or not may become totally random. PT 2021 is very strong. Other PT grad years not so much. Random.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/19/15 02:05 PM

PT 2018 is an extremely strong team. Probably one of the best out there. And I don't have a son who plays for them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/20/15 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
PT 2018 is an extremely strong team. Probably one of the best out there. And I don't have a son who plays for them.


Ok. Like I said. Random.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/15 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Tycotian
LIE North has the best Coaches in Westchester:

Entire Iona Prep staff
Savastano brothers,
Suno Hill
Tom Regan &
Chris Schreiber

Can't find anything better in Westchester.


Then we are all very glad that your son plays for the LIE North.

I think the coaching staffs at almost every club have good names and people who are doing great things.

Predators have the head coach of Fordham Prep and Yorktown legends.
PrimeTime has the head coach of Greenwich HS, Byram Hills, former Scarsdale etc...
T91 Tristate has Mike Bocklett head coach of Purchase
HOS has Ned Crotty, head coach of CW Post, head coach of Stepinac and Nyack
Top Side has head coach of Eastchester

There are head coaches coaching club teams in all programs which is great for the sport in the area. Again, worry about who is coaching YOUR sons team and not what people consider "big names" just because they are able to coach superior talent.

Have had experience with all of these programs. Predators brings very hands on coaching with guys who are committed to your kids. Nothing else compares.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/15 01:20 PM

Rumor on the street that PT 2021 lost some good players and was then lobbying hard to recruit some new kids, some of whom chose other programs. That is a solid team so hard to believe.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/15 10:55 PM

Rumor is correct we lost 4 of our top players to 3D & Eclipse. Calling us solid is a stretch. We played some good games but was very inconsistent and lost twice to a B team (igloo Avalanche)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/22/15 01:11 PM

i have been told the the Primetime 2024 team has less than 10 kids - i know they were struggling to get players
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/24/15 12:55 AM

To be honest Primetime is all about the high school teams. Nick Daniello does a great job recruiting for his HS but unfortunately most of the youth players are not there when it counts, during the HS years.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/24/15 01:20 AM

I'm not prime time guy. You guys need to stop referring to players . Moderater needs to step in. You are talking about 21 s . I'm sure you don't mean harm. Just too personal.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/25/15 10:15 PM

The only person mentioned is Nick Daniello and he is the owner/director of Primetime.
No kids were mentioned or spoken about in a negative way. Just stated the changes that were made.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/26/15 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only person mentioned is Nick Daniello and he is the owner/director of Primetime.
No kids were mentioned or spoken about in a negative way. Just stated the changes that were made.


it is possible the moderators may have taken it off.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/30/15 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rumor on the street that PT 2021 lost some good players and was then lobbying hard to recruit some new kids, some of whom chose other programs. That is a solid team so hard to believe.


Many parents don't want their son playing for a team that has very strong players at their position. They want their child to be a standout and its easier on a weaker team. Seems pretty lame to me, but I've heard the talk. I think practicing and playing in the toughest most competitive environment is best for a child to learn how to compete and play hard all the time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/30/15 02:41 PM

"Many parents don't want their son playing for a team that has very strong players at their position."

That is ridiculous, and given the 125 kids that showed up to the PT 2019 tryout, proves you wrong. There are teams for every ability, and most kids want to play for the best. Kids dont want to play on weaker teams and lose, even if they stand out.

"I think practicing and playing in the toughest most competitive environment is best for a child to learn how to compete and play hard all the time."

Depends on the kid and unless you are a child psychologist, irrelevant.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/30/15 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Many parents don't want their son playing for a team that has very strong players at their position."

That is ridiculous, and given the 125 kids that showed up to the PT 2019 tryout, proves you wrong. There are teams for every ability, and most kids want to play for the best. Kids dont want to play on weaker teams and lose, even if they stand out.

"I think practicing and playing in the toughest most competitive environment is best for a child to learn how to compete and play hard all the time."

Depends on the kid and unless you are a child psychologist, irrelevant.


It's ridiculous that parents would be so manipulative, but its a fact that many parents are looking for a team that their son can be the standout.

I'm not a psychologist, just a long time coach and father of 4 boys. I have always encouraged my kids to be in a competitive environment--in an out of sports.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/01/15 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Many parents don't want their son playing for a team that has very strong players at their position."

That is ridiculous, and given the 125 kids that showed up to the PT 2019 tryout, proves you wrong. There are teams for every ability, and most kids want to play for the best. Kids dont want to play on weaker teams and lose, even if they stand out.

"I think practicing and playing in the toughest most competitive environment is best for a child to learn how to compete and play hard all the time."

Depends on the kid and unless you are a child psychologist, irrelevant.


How is a practice environment irrelevant? It makes all the difference.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/02/15 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Many parents don't want their son playing for a team that has very strong players at their position."

That is ridiculous, and given the 125 kids that showed up to the PT 2019 tryout, proves you wrong. There are teams for every ability, and most kids want to play for the best. Kids dont want to play on weaker teams and lose, even if they stand out.

"I think practicing and playing in the toughest most competitive environment is best for a child to learn how to compete and play hard all the time."

Depends on the kid and unless you are a child psychologist, irrelevant.


Depends on the kid? What type of practice environment do you think kids should be immersed...other than one that will challenge them?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/03/15 04:32 PM

I would like too see people's thoughts on the programs from the Westchetser County area where you rank them for year 2021.

1 - 3D Tristate
2 - Eclipse
3 - Long Island Express North
4 - 2 Way
5 - Predators
6 - Primetime
7 - 91 Tristate
8 - Superstars
9 - Ballers
10 - Chargers
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/03/15 05:11 PM

Surprised that 3D tristate and 2 way are so high and Primetime is so low.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/03/15 08:20 PM

I don't think the initial list was intended to be a ranking order.

I would think Prime Time and Eclipse at top, followed then by 2way, and then maybe Predators and LIE North. Others down lower.


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/04/15 02:11 AM

I think the first 5 are correct maybe not in order but they are the top 5
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/04/15 02:17 AM

3d had some very good additions
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/04/15 01:27 PM

Word on the street, lol is 3d Tristate, LIE North, & Eclipse all got much better players and Primetime lost 4 top players without replacing them. Maybe that's why PT is low but they still should be in top 3.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/05/15 02:53 PM

What local program will have the first Freshman commit?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/05/15 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What local program will have the first Freshman commit?


My guess is Primetime or LIE North. While I don't think Primetime is all that strong they do have a couple of extremely strong players. LIE North has several very strong players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/05/15 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What local program will have the first Freshman commit?


My guess is Primetime or LIE North. While I don't think Primetime is all that strong they do have a couple of extremely strong players. LIE North has several very strong players.


LI Express North. My guess is they are one of the top 3 teams that I've seen play and they have a bunch of highly skilled players. A joy to watch.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/05/15 10:17 PM

My son went to the Eclipse, Primetime & LIE North tryouts and to be honest Eclipse had the top talent. My son did not make the U13 team because those kids were all big, strong and fast. My guess would be Eclipse has the first freshman commit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/05/15 10:22 PM

Primetime beat LIE North last summer by 10 goals. Unless they got better talent I don't see LIE North competing with PT.d
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/05/15 10:28 PM

which westchester programs have a 2024 age group? 91, express, eclipse i saw. any others?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/05/15 11:52 PM

Primetime has no players. Tristate 91 is awful. Long Island express has 10 good players. Not sure superstars or eclipse
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/06/15 12:01 AM

That's not true. Primetime 2024 has 2 very good players and a kick [lacrosse] goalie. Tristate has 3/4 real players Bottom line every 24 team is aB team at best because they all have a load of c players
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/06/15 01:31 AM

PrimeTime 2019 tied LI EXpress North last yeAr. North beat crabs last year by 4 goals
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/06/15 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son went to the Eclipse, Primetime & LIE North tryouts and to be honest Eclipse had the top talent. My son did not make the U13 team because those kids were all big, strong and fast. My guess would be Eclipse has the first freshman commit.


Freshman is grad year 2019. Express North is the better team by a sizable margin. Didn't Eclipse lose to the New Fairfield town team last summer?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/06/15 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Primetime beat LIE North last summer by 10 goals. Unless they got better talent I don't see LIE North competing with PT.d


I don't know what year you are talking but the 2019 teams tied in their only meeting last summer at NYIT. LIE North beat Dukes and Crabs, they have talent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/06/15 11:45 AM

I was talking about 2021. Things got a little confusing answering posts. Anyone paying attention knows LIE North 2019 is the class of this area. It was a great tie for PT last summer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/06/15 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was talking about 2021. Things got a little confusing answering posts. Anyone paying attention knows LIE North 2019 is the class of this area. It was a great tie for PT last summer.


Regarding the 2021 teams, I believe PT and LIE North should be a terrific battle. My son plays on the LIE 2020 team and we watched the PT v LIE N game last summer. Overmatched by PT's size. From what I have seen, the LIE N 2021 team is a lot better and bigger. Should be fun to watch them play against each other.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/06/15 10:06 PM

Anyone playing on Columbus Day on Long Island?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/06/15 10:46 PM

Good to hear LIE North 2021 got better, unfortunately we (PT 2021) lost a few good midfielders but gained a couple. Can't wait for Yale to see how we look.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/07/15 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Primetime beat LIE North last summer by 10 goals. Unless they got better talent I don't see LIE North competing with PT.d


What age is this? If you think it was 2019 you were watching the wrong game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/07/15 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son went to the Eclipse, Primetime & LIE North tryouts and to be honest Eclipse had the top talent. My son did not make the U13 team because those kids were all big, strong and fast. My guess would be Eclipse has the first freshman commit.


Freshman is grad year 2019. Express North is the better team by a sizable margin. Didn't Eclipse lose to the New Fairfield town team last summer?


...and Team MN in Philly...didnt play in (m)any of the events with 91/Express/Crabs/Madlax/Edge/etc

This area is going to kill itself by diluting the talent pools - this isnt long island where Team 91's White team would crush most lower AA and upper A teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/07/15 12:34 AM

Amen. You got that right. The depth on Long Island at any age level is staggering. Take your kid to a tryout just to see how your kid stacks up. It's an eye opener
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/07/15 01:16 AM

Let's not count out 2022 Primetime! Primetime took 2 out of 3 against LI Express A team this past season. Primetime has some very good talent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/07/15 01:39 AM

Primetime 2022 is a real real real team. As good as any. Seems like the last year for true aa team. I don't have a 22 nor a kid on pt. Their record says it alln
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/07/15 12:49 PM

i would love to see a coach or coaches capable of putting together 1 team im each grade level that can truly compete with long island, 2022 PT has done that , question for all the directors in westchester- how can you get the best 5 from each team and get them on one team, especially at the younger ages where it is more fragmented .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/07/15 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
i would love to see a coach or coaches capable of putting together 1 team im each grade level that can truly compete with long island, 2022 PT has done that , question for all the directors in westchester- how can you get the best 5 from each team and get them on one team, especially at the younger ages where it is more fragmented .



Not going to happen. Who is going to give up their kids? Anyway there are several Westchester teams that can already play at the highest levels: PT 2016, Preds 2017, LIENorth 2018. Now that there is a critical mass of teams in Westchester, I would love to see a tournament of local teams. But that too is not likely to happen since team owners are fearful of losing kids to winning teams. A tournament including PT, Preds, LIExpNorth, Eclipse, CTChargers and some others - how great would that be? We could stay in our own beds too.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/07/15 02:27 PM

i agree- im more talking younger ages as these teams are a hodgepodge of a,b, and c players alot of the older teams are already established, but the ideas of a local tourney is a great idea, why travel to play the same team that is in your backyard.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/07/15 08:48 PM

Primetime 2022 has one player (Yorktown), take him away and the team is B level. That's why the never won anything no depth.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/07/15 08:55 PM

I agree with both of you. PT 2021 has real good talent but no depth so when the weaker players play the LI teams take advantage. We played some really good games against excellent competition 91, Sons & Express but always come out on the short end because a lack of depth.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/07/15 09:39 PM

First off that's not the point. They compete very well against the best. And in west Chester that's an accomplishment
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/08/15 03:04 PM

It's nice to use LI as a benchmark, especially considering its proximity, but people must be realistic. Especially as it regards depth, the best lacrosse in the world is played on LI. Using lax power as a reference, there are 401 HS teams in NYS playing lacrosse. 101 are on LI. Thats a full 25%. Much of that is within driving range of each other. And a much higher percentage of their youth are playing, which provides them with more of the top athletes. This all means that LI will field more and better club teams.

The Westchester club scene does not need to focus on forming super teams to beat the best from LI. There has been a recent growth in the amount of clubs and teams. In the short term, especially at the younger levels, you will see the talent spread maybe too thin. But this will get more kids playing, and will help improve the overall talent pool, which should grow the game and increase participation numbers over all. The spring town season is very short. More kids need to be getting reps in June and July and in the Fall. The kids will get better, depth will improve, and you will start seeing more deeply talented and better HS teams.

Also, the increase in Westchester clubs has also created room for talent to come in from nearby counties, since these areas do not have developed clubs for the most part.

And BTW, as someone who has been at numerous tournaments over multiple years, there are plenty of mediocre to poor LI teams. My kids have played and beaten them. And this is fine. Having more kids play more lacrosse is never a bad thing.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/08/15 03:16 PM

Excellent last post about how to think about Westchester in the context of LI.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/08/15 03:29 PM

great post , and very true, hopwever , i believe the one very important thing for these programs to do, is be realistic where their teams fit in the landscape talent wise. many would argue, but placing a b level team into a top tourney aginst the best teams is not always best at the younger ages where kids are looking for reps to build up their confidence. so if you are a team filled with B players - which is fine, then place them in a tourney or bracket where they can be competitive.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/08/15 08:16 PM

I get that LI is the mecca of lax, but why is Ct. High schools So much better than Westchester HS's.
Top Ct. teams Darien, New Canaan, Greenwich & Ridgefield are much better than any Section 1 team to include Yorktown. You cant say they have more players there. Whats the reason?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/08/15 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I get that LI is the mecca of lax, but why is Ct. High schools So much better than Westchester HS's.
Top Ct. teams Darien, New Canaan, Greenwich & Ridgefield are much better than any Section 1 team to include Yorktown. You cant say they have more players there. Whats the reason?


This is just an educated guess, but those might be 4 huge schools that also happen to be big time lacrosse towns. They have huge youth programs, and from what I have seen at tournaments, a lot more kids playing than any Westchester town. Of course someone can look up the enrollment numbers.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/08/15 08:49 PM

Could it be that they are 18 yr old juniors and 19 yr old senuors??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/08/15 09:07 PM

Each of those CT towns mentioned have very large and extremely well run/organized youth programs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/08/15 09:15 PM

As per Lax Power, they are the top 4 teams in all of CT from last season. So in addition to being better than all of Westchester, they are also better than all of CT.

Also, between the 4 of them, they collectively only lost to each other, plus Brunswick (a prep school), St Anthonys (LI), Ward Melville, Smithtown East, Chaminade and Bronxville. So quite literally, outside of lacrosse heavyweights, those schools are beating everyone.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/08/15 10:51 PM

Does that mean CT. Should have better travel teams than Westchester?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/09/15 12:00 AM

Possibly, but a lot of the good CT kids are sprinkled across the Westchester club teams including PT , LIE North, others. However, with respect to CT, Eclipse has the bulk ... though most from New Canaan and Darien. More Greenwich kids go to PT.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/09/15 01:23 AM

That is it. Left back 19 year old kids playing HS lax. Greenwich and New Canaan have all left back kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/09/15 11:42 AM

Wow. Thats another topic. Our kids playing against bigger older kids will only make them better. I'd rather see my son get better than win some meaningless tournament in his youth.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/09/15 12:01 PM

What concerns me most about the development club lacrosse in Westchester/CT is that many (nearly all) of the clubs are based on and run by the coaches and staffs of HS programs. Ask the folks from LI how that plays out particularly when one club is 'directed' by 3-4 private (powerhouse) HS coaches. The conflict of interest can become very troubling and politics are often more important than talent/skill.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/09/15 02:34 PM

From what I've seen on BOTC regarding conflict of interest in the LI club scene, I think the dynamics in Westchester are different, particularly for the elite teams. That's not to say there aren't conflicts of interest. While there may be HS Coaches on club teams, at the elite programs, HS Coaches are not the club owners. Their compensation is not improved by getting more kids from the HS where they coach. While some of the elite programs have a core of players form one or two schools, they tend to draw from a much wider number of schools. Predators, Primetime, LIENorth draw from all over and there is a lot of interest to join and itís difficult to make their teams. The first two only have one team at each level and appear more interested in performance than numbers, which from what Iíve read, is a source of conflict in LI.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/09/15 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What concerns me most about the development club lacrosse in Westchester/CT is that many (nearly all) of the clubs are based on and run by the coaches and staffs of HS programs. Ask the folks from LI how that plays out particularly when one club is 'directed' by 3-4 private (powerhouse) HS coaches. The conflict of interest can become very troubling and politics are often more important than talent/skill.


Primetime- yes, Predators and LIExpress North--no.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/09/15 10:20 PM

You are spot on. One organization up in Dutchess County makes a unwritten prerequisite to play for the high school.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/10/15 12:11 AM

That comment about "one org up in dutchess county ..." seems totally off base and not accurate. Somebody with an agenda writing that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/12/15 11:47 PM

Eclipse couldn't finish today. Lost to the LIE A team in the finals 7-5.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/13/15 12:21 AM

Good job Eclipse. Shows that some of the best Westchester/Fairfield teams are on par with the better Long Island teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/13/15 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That comment about "one org up in dutchess county ..." seems totally off base and not accurate. Somebody with an agenda writing that.


Would that be the same coach who would have players play down when the played better teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/13/15 01:17 PM

What Express North teams are you referring to?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/13/15 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse couldn't finish today. Lost to the LIE A team in the finals 7-5.


Which grade level?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/13/15 02:38 PM

Express North had two teams in the Legacy Columbus Day Tournament on Long Island. Their 2020 B (or as they call it single 'A') team and their 2023 team. Their 2020 B team went 0-3 and their 2023 team went 0-2-1. You can see it on tourney machine. Its too early to tell anything about LIENorth yet. The first tournament for their 2020-2022 teams is next week at the Halloween Havoc. We'll get a better feel for the caliber of middle school players in this organization during the next two weeks.

I think some expected this organization to be the second coming given the success of their 2018 team, but the 2018 team wasn't a product of LIENorth. It was started by Superstar and moved to LIENorth. Don't know the exact story behind it. Only time will tell. I wish them luck and hope they play some of the other Westchester/CT teams. We need more local tournaments/scrimmages.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/13/15 02:40 PM

Just a positive spin on some things. We all want to compete and be on a great team etc. I get that but why do you have to bash another in the process. Express North is new to the area and still getting the younger teams in order. Superstars has been around a lot longer and has helped tons of kids develop and is led by a guy that has done more for the sport than just about if not anyone in the area. I'm sure PT and the others have quality people as well, just haven't had the opportunity to meet them. If you are happy where you are playing enjoy it, if not find a place where you are.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/13/15 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express North had two teams in the Legacy Columbus Day Tournament on Long Island. Their 2020 B (or as they call it single 'A') team and their 2023 team. Their 2020 B team went 0-3 and their 2023 team went 0-2-1. You can see it on tourney machine. Its too early to tell anything about LIENorth yet. The first tournament for their 2020-2022 teams is next week at the Halloween Havoc. We'll get a better feel for the caliber of middle school players in this organization during the next two weeks.

I think some expected this organization to be the second coming given the success of their 2018 team, but the 2018 team wasn't a product of LIENorth. It was started by Superstar and moved to LIENorth. Don't know the exact story behind it. Only time will tell. I wish them luck and hope they play some of the other Westchester/CT teams. We need more local tournaments/scrimmages.


A "B" team playing in an "A" bracket, are the results a surprise? Do some of you people post just to stir up S*^*?


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/13/15 03:01 PM

2018 Express North has always had the same coaching staff.

Those are the people who are driving the broader Express North program. Superstar (good club in their own right) had little/nothing to do with success of Express North 2018 team.

I suspect Express North will continue to be a highly competitive program overall in the years to come.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/13/15 04:51 PM

Chris Schreiber is the Director of Express North and started in March of last year and now has 2 teams at 2020. Giving kids a chance to play and learn from quality coaches. Unfortunately town programs lack quality coaching at every level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/13/15 06:53 PM

When are Havoc details to be published?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/13/15 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 Express North has always had the same coaching staff.

Those are the people who are driving the broader Express North program. Superstar (good club in their own right) had little/nothing to do with success of Express North 2018 team.

I suspect Express North will continue to be a highly competitive program overall in the years to come.


A good number of the players never even played for Superstar so it's true that Superstar had nothing to do with the success of the program. They used the name with permission of the director of Superstar but he didn't do anything with or for the program.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/13/15 09:18 PM

You are right the were called Superstars 365 and Colsey had nothing to do with them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/13/15 11:41 PM

How/who formed the original Express North 2018 team then if Superstar/Colsey weren't really involved? Who coaches that team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/14/15 10:53 AM

Chris Schreiber.
If you ever went to a game he coaches u couldnt miss him. Played for Hopkins and is uncle of Tom Schreiber.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/19/15 02:09 AM

ExpressNorth 22AA struggled against top teams yesterday . 2020AA Express North won AA bracket . 2021 won A bracket by a large margin
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/19/15 11:31 AM

2 out of 3 is pretty darn good for a new program, i know the 2023 didnt fare well last weekend, so 2/4 not too shabby
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/19/15 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse couldn't finish today. Lost to the LIE A team in the finals 7-5.


What age?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/19/15 01:15 PM

Eclipse couldn't finish today. Lost to the LIE A team in the finals 7-5.

What age?


It was U/13 / 2021
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/19/15 10:21 PM

2021 was in the B bracket. Very disappointing as we think we are becoming a strong team. Won't know unless we play the A bracket.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/20/15 01:12 AM

I watched that 2021 LIE North Champ Game. They came down to LI to win an easy championship. Why are they afraid to play A. Whats the worst that can happen. You loose and learn from what went wrong.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/20/15 02:16 AM

You are a jerk and on top of that u can't spell .go spread your misery to your family.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/20/15 01:50 PM

guess i was correct
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/20/15 02:02 PM

Lets see what division they put themselves in this weekend @ Blatant. I believe last year they won it playing A. Imagine they play down in B
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/20/15 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I watched that 2021 LIE North Champ Game. They came down to LI to win an easy championship. Why are they afraid to play A. Whats the worst that can happen. You loose and learn from what went wrong.


What was the score?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/20/15 04:09 PM

who gives a [lacrosse] - how about great job, kids working together as a team to achive a common goal- its a 2 year old program- primetime could not even put a 4th grade team together this year - li express north 2020 team as well. its fall lax- get a life people
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/20/15 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
ExpressNorth 22AA struggled against top teams yesterday . 2020AA Express North won AA bracket . 2021 won A bracket by a large margin


FYI.. there are no AA divisions on LI. They have A and B. A divisions generally have some legit teams but there is a precipitous drop in quality of the B divisions. I'm not taking anything away from the winners. As big as lax is on LI, there is still a massive amount of expansion so there are a large number of teams that are 1-2 years old. Staying competitive with those teams is a benchmark of success for northern teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/20/15 06:57 PM

AA = A
A = B

People use that method so they can sell the program as not having a "B" team. No one wants to tell people their kid is on the "B" team and that is a problem. It's ok to have "B" teams, and it is also OK to play "B" lacrosse if that is the level you are currently at. Why we need to try to justify a lower level team is beyond me.

USA Hockey has AAA, AA, and A tiers, but that isn't the case in lacrosse, so program directors are doing their best to make this their model. Now a kid can choose program 1 because they gave him a spot on the "A" team over team 2 which gave him a spot on the "B" team, even though they are the same level.

I coach HS and club lacrosse. I played college lacrosse. My son isn't old enough to play organized yet but I check this site because my parents brought it to my attention and I wanted to see the madness for myself.

If my son decides to play lacrosse, I will pay for the team that he makes and deserves to be on. The team that he is comfortable on. The team he is excited to wake up and go to. If he is the best kid in the B bracket I will say that proudly. If he is a third line middie on the A team I will say that proudly (if asked). If he decides he doesn't like lacrosse anymore, I will say that proudly.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/20/15 06:58 PM

AA = A
A = B

People use that method so they can sell the program as not having a "B" team. No one wants to tell people their kid is on the "B" team and that is a problem. It's ok to have "B" teams, and it is also OK to play "B" lacrosse if that is the level you are currently at. Why we need to try to justify a lower level team is beyond me.

USA Hockey has AAA, AA, and A tiers, but that isn't the case in lacrosse, so program directors are doing their best to make this their model. Now a kid can choose program 1 because they gave him a spot on the "A" team over team 2 which gave him a spot on the "B" team, even though they are the same level.

I coach HS and club lacrosse. I played college lacrosse. My son isn't old enough to play organized yet but I check this site because my parents brought it to my attention and I wanted to see the madness for myself.

If my son decides to play lacrosse, I will pay for the team that he makes and deserves to be on. The team that he is comfortable on. The team he is excited to wake up and go to. If he is the best kid in the B bracket I will say that proudly. If he is a third line middie on the A team I will say that proudly (if asked). If he decides he doesn't like lacrosse anymore, I will say that proudly.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/20/15 10:45 PM

Why don't you get a life. This website is for people to express their opinions. If you can't handle the truth stay off.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/21/15 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
AA = A
A = B

People use that method so they can sell the program as not having a "B" team. No one wants to tell people their kid is on the "B" team and that is a problem. It's ok to have "B" teams, and it is also OK to play "B" lacrosse if that is the level you are currently at. Why we need to try to justify a lower level team is beyond me.

USA Hockey has AAA, AA, and A tiers, but that isn't the case in lacrosse, so program directors are doing their best to make this their model. Now a kid can choose program 1 because they gave him a spot on the "A" team over team 2 which gave him a spot on the "B" team, even though they are the same level.

I coach HS and club lacrosse. I played college lacrosse. My son isn't old enough to play organized yet but I check this site because my parents brought it to my attention and I wanted to see the madness for myself.

If my son decides to play lacrosse, I will pay for the team that he makes and deserves to be on. The team that he is comfortable on. The team he is excited to wake up and go to. If he is the best kid in the B bracket I will say that proudly. If he is a third line middie on the A team I will say that proudly (if asked). If he decides he doesn't like lacrosse anymore, I will say that proudly.


And then one day he doesn't make the team you think he should because you are all knowing and bang you're in the thick of. It's okay you wouldn't be the first nor the last. noone know what the future holds. Good luck on your ride.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/21/15 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
AA = A
A = B

People use that method so they can sell the program as not having a "B" team. No one wants to tell people their kid is on the "B" team and that is a problem. It's ok to have "B" teams, and it is also OK to play "B" lacrosse if that is the level you are currently at. Why we need to try to justify a lower level team is beyond me.

USA Hockey has AAA, AA, and A tiers, but that isn't the case in lacrosse, so program directors are doing their best to make this their model. Now a kid can choose program 1 because they gave him a spot on the "A" team over team 2 which gave him a spot on the "B" team, even though they are the same level.

I coach HS and club lacrosse. I played college lacrosse. My son isn't old enough to play organized yet but I check this site because my parents brought it to my attention and I wanted to see the madness for myself.

If my son decides to play lacrosse, I will pay for the team that he makes and deserves to be on. The team that he is comfortable on. The team he is excited to wake up and go to. If he is the best kid in the B bracket I will say that proudly. If he is a third line middie on the A team I will say that proudly (if asked). If he decides he doesn't like lacrosse anymore, I will say that proudly.


That was a lot to say for someone with no kids playing travel or even of travel age. You're just weird. If you're already posting then guess what, you are going to be the WORST of them all! Good lord I feel bad for your kid already...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/22/15 07:55 PM

If you rank lacrosse programs based on showcase invitations then Prime Time is #1. I'm very thankful I ignored the rhetoric being spewed by some loud mouths about which program has the most clout. We made the right choice.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/22/15 08:09 PM

how is express north 2024?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/22/15 08:17 PM

No doubt prime time in the hay day had the best players. But with all these new programs popping up. That is changing. It's really sad. But it's true. Primetime had a monopoly in the area. As an example. They were unable to field a 4th grade squad this year. Again. Sad. But reality
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/22/15 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
No doubt prime time in the hay day had the best players. But with all these new programs popping up. That is changing. It's really sad. But it's true. Primetime had a monopoly in the area. As an example. They were unable to field a 4th grade squad this year. Again. Sad. But reality


Can't argue with the showcase numbers. Someone still believes PT is still the premiere program up here. If not PT, then who?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/22/15 09:07 PM

I'm saying that is 10000% true now. But won't be the case in 5 years as kids are now spread out. I'm not anti pt.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/22/15 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No doubt prime time in the hay day had the best players. But with all these new programs popping up. That is changing. It's really sad. But it's true. Primetime had a monopoly in the area. As an example. They were unable to field a 4th grade squad this year. Again. Sad. But reality


Can't argue with the showcase numbers. Someone still believes PT is still the premiere program up here. If not PT, then who?


Eclipse
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/22/15 09:49 PM

PT is still strong. Their 2018 team can compete with anybody. 2022 really strong.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/22/15 09:52 PM

PT does have a 4th grade team, all set with roster. They just aren't playing in the Fall, only Spring/Summer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/22/15 10:15 PM

Primetime does not have a fourth grade team they were unable to put enough kids together for fall tournament team. The kids that were signed up for the team are now practicing with the fifth grade team
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/22/15 10:20 PM

PT's high school team are very strong and can play with anyone. The youth has too many john jay kids as they are trying to strengthen the JJ HS program, but he weeds them out for his HS teams. I agree that 3d Tristate, Eclipse, LIE North & even Superstars will all get better and lax in this area will become much stronger.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/22/15 10:31 PM

The Fall program for the PT youth teams is optional. Many kids play other sports and choose not to do the Fall. As a result, they will often field a combined team (such as 2021/2022 or 2022/2023) depending on the numbers that choose to do Fall. Has been this way in the past and no diff this year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/22/15 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No doubt prime time in the hay day had the best players. But with all these new programs popping up. That is changing. It's really sad. But it's true. Primetime had a monopoly in the area. As an example. They were unable to field a 4th grade squad this year. Again. Sad. But reality


Can't argue with the showcase numbers. Someone still believes PT is still the premiere program up here. If not PT, then who?


What showcase or showcases are you talking about?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/22/15 11:04 PM

I'm not anti pt. But the fact is that the 2024 team had 14 kids at each tryout and they were begging anyone with 4 limbs to play. The fact is Daniello has hurt as many kids as he has helped. In the future that program will not be what it was. I hear Daniello is on the john jay board now so maybe he will strong arm these poor kids into playing pt.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/22/15 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not anti pt. But the fact is that the 2024 team had 14 kids at each tryout and they were begging anyone with 4 limbs to play. The fact is Daniello has hurt as many kids as he has helped. In the future that program will not be what it was. I hear Daniello is on the john jay board now so maybe he will strong arm these poor kids into playing pt.



express north 2024 coach is giner from JJ.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/22/15 11:55 PM

My son plays for superstar 2024. We attended pt , 91, and Long Island express as well as the team we picked. Express north had the greatest depth in talent. Not suggesting they can compete at the hughes level. But saying in the north they seemed to have the greatest number of better kids
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/22/15 11:56 PM

Giner is asst coach. Jay hill Harvey school is coach
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/23/15 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son plays for superstar 2024. We attended pt , 91, and Long Island express as well as the team we picked. Express north had the greatest depth in talent. Not suggesting they can compete at the hughes level. But saying in the north they seemed to have the greatest number of better kids



didn't 91 get beat up last weekend on LI? superstars doing a fall tourney
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/23/15 12:22 AM

91 did not get beat up last weekend. They lost 2 games by 1 and 1 game by 5 and played with a kid that never played goalie
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/23/15 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you rank lacrosse programs based on showcase invitations then Prime Time is #1. I'm very thankful I ignored the rhetoric being spewed by some loud mouths about which program has the most clout. We made the right choice.


Where is this #1 program playing this fall or next summer? Using clout or politics to get some kids into a several hundred player Showcase is one thing - getting the team to play in front of a slew a college coaches every week this fall and next summer is another thing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/23/15 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 did not get beat up last weekend. They lost 2 games by 1 and 1 game by 5 and played with a kid that never played goalie


They lost to a town team, a brand new b team program and million who is a low end B team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/23/15 11:41 AM

im not a91 parent but give me a break- no one said they were a high level super team- that is ignorant- every team with the exception of the wolfpack, taz and a few others in LI are a glorified town team, lets look at westchester - 91- larchmont, scarsdale , john jay- express north- bedford, John jay, Primetime- John Jay, (if they even have a team) every single team has some combination of town kids. Last year PT lost to garden city 4th grade, big time teams get beat by Manhasset 32, the point is- 91 - did not get blown up, they competed and lost
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/23/15 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 did not get beat up last weekend. They lost 2 games by 1 and 1 game by 5 and played with a kid that never played goalie


They lost to a town team, a brand new b team program and million who is a low end B team.


What town team beat them
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/23/15 12:14 PM

So called B teams from LI are as good, if not better than, top teams elsewhere. No shame in losing to LI teams. The lax is great out there, especially the depth. As for 91 TS, they had young teams out there. For instance, they played in the 2022 bracket with a team of mostly 2023 kids. In the summer they will be more on age and will do fine.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/23/15 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm saying that is 10000% true now. But won't be the case in 5 years as kids are now spread out. I'm not anti pt.


My son is a 2019 grad, I don't care about 5 years from now. Primetime made promises about showcases and they delivered.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/23/15 01:31 PM

daniello works very very hard for his boys!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/23/15 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm saying that is 10000% true now. But won't be the case in 5 years as kids are now spread out. I'm not anti pt.


My son is a 2019 grad, I don't care about 5 years from now. Primetime made promises about showcases and they delivered.


Will be curious to see if this is one of those showcases where the all star games are picked before the games are even played. Tough to stand out - over 250 kids coming...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/23/15 04:17 PM

As I said for HS showcases Daniello is the best. For youth not so much. 2020,2021,& 2023 were low grade B teams. 2022 was a solid A team. My suggestion play elsewhere for youth and play for PT in the HS years.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/23/15 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm saying that is 10000% true now. But won't be the case in 5 years as kids are now spread out. I'm not anti pt.


My son is a 2019 grad, I don't care about 5 years from now. Primetime made promises about showcases and they delivered.


Headed to a nice tourney next weekend should get a good sense of where we belong. Who can tell me which team is the better of the Laxachusetts teams White or Green. Do they have another team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/23/15 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm saying that is 10000% true now. But won't be the case in 5 years as kids are now spread out. I'm not anti pt.


My son is a 2019 grad, I don't care about 5 years from now. Primetime made promises about showcases and they delivered.


Headed to a nice tourney next weekend should get a good sense of where we belong. Who can tell me which team is the better of the Laxachusetts teams White or Green. Do they have another team?


They have many teams - Black being the best - no idea which colors come next, have a feeling those kids swap back and forth between all those teams depending on need.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/23/15 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm saying that is 10000% true now. But won't be the case in 5 years as kids are now spread out. I'm not anti pt.


My son is a 2019 grad, I don't care about 5 years from now. Primetime made promises about showcases and they delivered.


Headed to a nice tourney next weekend should get a good sense of where we belong. Who can tell me which team is the better of the Laxachusetts teams White or Green. Do they have another team?


They are absolutely known for swapping kids from team to team depending on the schedule. You may be scheduled to play their 3rd team, but if the black team is free, expect 7-8 of their kids to show up. They are a complete joke.

They have many teams - Black being the best - no idea which colors come next, have a feeling those kids swap back and forth between all those teams depending on need.




They are absolutely known for swapping kids from team to team depending on the schedule. You may be scheduled to play their 3rd team, but if the black team is free, expect 7-8 of their kids to show up. They are a complete joke.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/24/15 12:19 PM

Black will be with all the other top 2019 teams next weekend at Boys Latin - loaded group - Madlax, 91, Edge, Crabs, Express, Express North, HHH
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/24/15 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Black will be with all the other top 2019 teams next weekend at Boys Latin - loaded group - Madlax, 91, Edge, Crabs, Express, Express North, HHH


batch slapped
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/25/15 08:29 PM

Just came from the Blatant tournament. Looks like they had the express 2021 in the A bracket. They beat outlaws, 91 and igloo. Lost to Channy in the final pretty badly.. Looked like they were out of gas.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/25/15 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just came from the Blatant tournament. Looks like they had the express 2021 in the A bracket. They beat outlaws, 91 and igloo. Lost to Channy in the final pretty badly.. Looked like they were out of gas.


those are igloo and 91 B teams
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/26/15 12:54 PM

North 2021 beat solid teams in Outlaws & Avalanche. They both are top ten teams on the Island. Channy's team has some real good athletes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/26/15 12:56 PM

That Avalanche team beat Primetime twice last summer,
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/26/15 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just came from the Blatant tournament. Looks like they had the express 2021 in the A bracket. They beat outlaws, 91 and igloo. Lost to Channy in the final pretty badly.. Looked like they were out of gas.


those are igloo and 91 B teams


Thank you for being so predictable. If you are one of the over bearing LI Igloo parents who couldn't shut up and were berating their own players, you should be real proud. "This is embarrassing" was said more than once. The Igloo parents were more into the game than any of the players. Get a life and let the kids play the game and have just a little fun.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/26/15 02:40 PM

other than 2022 tean- express north has fared pretty well for the most part
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/26/15 04:02 PM

PT had well over 100 kids tryout for 2019 team. $70/per kid to have a shot and that many showed. There has to be a reason so many wanted to play there. Good pay day for them too. I'm not a fan of the pay to tryout but I'm also not a business type guy. Many parents not too happy with the amount of kids that showed up and in long run it hurts a progroam in my opinion.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/26/15 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
PT had well over 100 kids tryout for 2019 team.....

....Many parents not too happy with the amount of kids that showed up and in long run it hurts a progroam in my opinion.


More kids at tryouts indicates there is more interest and competition for spots. That generally favors the overall quality of the team if they have strong coaching (a big if).

Some parents may not like it because their kid may not get the call.

Welcome to the world of competitive club lacrosse. It is not always pleasant and there are plenty of 'life lessons' to be had.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/26/15 09:03 PM

We will beat you guys next time. Everyone knows lacrosse is only played on LI. Upstate is B level lax
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/26/15 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
We will beat you guys next time. Everyone knows lacrosse is only played on LI. Upstate is B level lax


Tool.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/26/15 10:58 PM

Very impressed with north 2021. We spanked them last year at NLF and now they won 7 out of 8 games this fall only losing to a strong team in Express Channy. Guess we will have our hands full at Yale, lol
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/27/15 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very impressed with north 2021. We spanked them last year at NLF and now they won 7 out of 8 games this fall only losing to a strong team in Express Channy. Guess we will have our hands full at Yale, lol


Who is "we"?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/27/15 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very impressed with north 2021. We spanked them last year at NLF and now they won 7 out of 8 games this fall only losing to a strong team in Express Channy. Guess we will have our hands full at Yale, lol


and only beating B teams from igloo and 91
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/27/15 02:14 AM

U and your agenda are funny your either miserable or I wonder who
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/27/15 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PT had well over 100 kids tryout for 2019 team.....

....Many parents not too happy with the amount of kids that showed up and in long run it hurts a progroam in my opinion.


More kids at tryouts indicates there is more interest and competition for spots. That generally favors the overall quality of the team if they have strong coaching (a big if).

Some parents may not like it because their kid may not get the call.

Welcome to the world of competitive club lacrosse. It is not always pleasant and there are plenty of 'life lessons' to be had.


I think it came off as more of a money grab. They know only 4 maybe 5 spots will turnover and they see 124 kids sign up for the tryout. You can build brand equity by sending an email stating a high number of kids trying out for limited spots. In a perfect world at least.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/27/15 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PT had well over 100 kids tryout for 2019 team.....

....Many parents not too happy with the amount of kids that showed up and in long run it hurts a progroam in my opinion.


More kids at tryouts indicates there is more interest and competition for spots. That generally favors the overall quality of the team if they have strong coaching (a big if).

Some parents may not like it because their kid may not get the call.

Welcome to the world of competitive club lacrosse. It is not always pleasant and there are plenty of 'life lessons' to be had.


I think it came off as more of a money grab. They know only 4 maybe 5 spots will turnover and they see 124 kids sign up for the tryout. You can build brand equity by sending an email stating a high number of kids trying out for limited spots. In a perfect world at least.


Or set up a b team and grab more bucks
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/27/15 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PT had well over 100 kids tryout for 2019 team.....

....Many parents not too happy with the amount of kids that showed up and in long run it hurts a progroam in my opinion.


More kids at tryouts indicates there is more interest and competition for spots. That generally favors the overall quality of the team if they have strong coaching (a big if).

Some parents may not like it because their kid may not get the call.

Welcome to the world of competitive club lacrosse. It is not always pleasant and there are plenty of 'life lessons' to be had.


I think it came off as more of a money grab. They know only 4 maybe 5 spots will turnover and they see 124 kids sign up for the tryout. You can build brand equity by sending an email stating a high number of kids trying out for limited spots. In a perfect world at least.


Did they take the best of the hundred.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/27/15 08:34 PM

PT
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/28/15 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
PT


The current 2021 Express North team is completely different from the one you played last summer. Our guys were physically overmatched, not anymore. Should be a much more competitive game next time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/28/15 12:50 AM

Yeah I did see the 6 foot middie. Quite tall for a 7th grader!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/28/15 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I get that LI is the mecca of lax, but why is Ct. High schools So much better than Westchester HS's.
Top Ct. teams Darien, New Canaan, Greenwich & Ridgefield are much better than any Section 1 team to include Yorktown. You cant say they have more players there. Whats the reason?


Bronxville, a small Class C school, destroyed Greenwich 14-4 last year. . CT teams don't really want to play the better Westchester teams. Yorktown is as good as anyone in the state.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/28/15 03:45 AM

Predators 2017 is a Nationally prominent team. They won a huge tournament this summer in Philly. Their coaches are very focused on player development. I think this is what sets the program apart from the others. I understand they are now focusing on the 2020 team. The previously focused on the 2014 group. this three year cycle really helps them develop a product that is attractive to colleges.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/28/15 12:26 PM

I agree, you guys got better and we lost a couple of decent players and added a few. Stayed the same.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/28/15 12:31 PM

Lol Bronxville was loaded with great talent. Even a blind squirrel gets a nut. Westchester lax does not compare to Ct. Lax and that's with Brunswick taking most of the best players. Darien & New Canaan are the class of the northeast.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/29/15 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lol Bronxville was loaded with great talent. Even a blind squirrel gets a nut. Westchester lax does not compare to Ct. Lax and that's with Brunswick taking most of the best players. Darien & New Canaan are the class of the northeast.


This was discussed earlier in this thread - and discussed more maturely. Quite literally, the 4 or 5 best CT programs are all on Westchester's doorstep. Yes, these few programs are probably better than the best 4 or 5 from Westchester. As are maybe the best 4 or 5 from PA, MA and some other states. But as for the rest of CT - Westchester teams compare quite favorably.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/29/15 04:25 PM

the school districts in CT are usually quite larger- Darien has a huge talent base to draw from, Ridgefield, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/30/15 03:30 PM

The game has only been played in these so called "hotbeds" until very recently. You are not really accomplishing anything when you have no competition. It is starting to change, just take a look at U Denver's championship roster.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 02:26 AM

I guess quality lacrosse is still played north of the Throgs Neck Bridge? 2019 Express North 3-0 today with wins over The Edge (their edge is they are a year older than all the other teams they play), Crabs and True Blue.

The non-stop mouths on LI and elsewhere can pipe down now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess quality lacrosse is still played north of the Throgs Neck Bridge? 2019 Express North 3-0 today with wins over The Edge (their edge is they are a year older than all the other teams they play), Crabs and True Blue.

The non-stop mouths on LI and elsewhere can pipe down now.


Prime time 1-2, North is the class of 2019 of over the bridge
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 03:34 AM

Legacy was a B tournament this weekend. All top teams in PA
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 03:36 AM

wheres the PT poster who bashes Express Awfully quiet wonder why
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 03:47 AM

Top 2019s were in Maryland / Boys Latin today 91,express, express north,crabs Madlax edge,leading edge Laxachutes AA,Michigan Blue,Century /Texas .

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy was a B tournament this weekend. All top teams in PA


So was that primetime's B team or they went 1-2 against b teams?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy was a B tournament this weekend. All top teams in PA


So was that primetime's B team or they went 1-2 against b teams?


PT doesn't have B teams
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 01:52 PM

Primetime 2018 is their premier team going 4-0 this weekend. 2019 definitely cant play with the big boys but a quality organization.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 01:56 PM

going forward - going to be very difficult for any westchester team to consistently put A teams on the field. too many teams,watered down. getting to be that way on LI as well. how many true A teams exist
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess quality lacrosse is still played north of the Throgs Neck Bridge? 2019 Express North 3-0 today with wins over The Edge (their edge is they are a year older than all the other teams they play), Crabs and True Blue.

The non-stop mouths on LI and elsewhere can pipe down now.


Prime time 1-2, North is the class of 2019 of over the bridge


Express North 2019 might be the class of 2019....period.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
going forward - going to be very difficult for any westchester team to consistently put A teams on the field. too many teams,watered down. getting to be that way on LI as well. how many true A teams exist


This is very true - biggest issue is that clubs want to market themselves as the "best" and "elite". If you market yourself for what you are - good opportunity for nice, but maybe not elite, players to play together with good coaches and get better (and have fun!) - they would be a lot better off IMO.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 07:30 PM

Express north and Prime time 2018 combined have 15 to20 D1 commits ,both teams dominated this weekend .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 07:32 PM

pretty amazing
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
going forward - going to be very difficult for any westchester team to consistently put A teams on the field. too many teams,watered down. getting to be that way on LI as well. how many true A teams exist


This is very true - biggest issue is that clubs want to market themselves as the "best" and "elite". If you market yourself for what you are - good opportunity for nice, but maybe not elite, players to play together with good coaches and get better (and have fun!) - they would be a lot better off IMO.


more parody is better for the game. its why the nfl is so great
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 11:06 PM

I concur express north 2019 is as good as any team in 2019
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 11:22 PM

Eclipse 2017,2018 & 2019 went a strong 7-1-1 at Legacy. Only loss was to a strong PT 2018 6-4. Their teams are full of D1 commits. Just shows how strong lax is north of LI.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I concur express north 2019 is as good as any team in 2019


How have you done against the top 4 -- Madlax, 91, Laxachusetts, HHH?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 11:36 PM

Not sure as my child is a 2021 player. The Coach and director of Express North (Schreiber) told me the have very few losses over the last few years. If I remember correctly it's only 5. They beat Crabs, True Michigan & Edge Canada yesterday. Very impressive.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/02/15 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure as my child is a 2021 player. The Coach and director of Express North (Schreiber) told me the have very few losses over the last few years. If I remember correctly it's only 5. They beat Crabs, True Michigan & Edge Canada yesterday. Very impressive.


They have come a long way in a short period, for sure. Impressive group, may be in top 5 of the age group
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/03/15 12:38 AM

Reclassification helps
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/03/15 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I concur express north 2019 is as good as any team in 2019


How have you done against the top 4 -- Madlax, 91, Laxachusetts, HHH?


Beat them all accept for 91. I believe we would now beat Team 91 handily.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/03/15 02:35 AM

Defenseman from Express North has committed to Michigan 2019
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/03/15 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Defenseman from Express North has committed to Michigan 2019


More Express North kids will follow. IMO. The players are too good and the team wins.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/03/15 07:55 PM

PT 2019 have any potential commits?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/03/15 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse 2017,2018 & 2019 went a strong 7-1-1 at Legacy. Only loss was to a strong PT 2018 6-4. Their teams are full of D1 commits. Just shows how strong lax is north of LI.


No it doesn't!

Although you did well at a tournament that doesn't necessarily show how strong you are. North 2019 running the table shows how strong they are, everything is relative!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/03/15 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse 2017,2018 & 2019 went a strong 7-1-1 at Legacy. Only loss was to a strong PT 2018 6-4. Their teams are full of D1 commits. Just shows how strong lax is north of LI.


No it doesn't!

Although you did well at a tournament that doesn't necessarily show how strong you are. North 2019 running the table shows how strong they are, everything is relative!


Result is misleading - Eclipse 2018 and 2017 are in fact loaded. 2019 not so much - struggling both last summer and this past weekend and not playing the field that was at Boys Latin.
Every program has different strong ages - Superstar is leaving theirs once the strong Ridgefield teams graduate, younger ages not good (all the early HS kids now play for North). Eclipse is new as well, good owners and coaches...has promise but is not deep at all ages out of the box.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/03/15 10:30 PM

I am a north parent , one of our parents who is posting needs to stop with his arrogance / comments .Stop !

Apologies
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/03/15 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse 2017,2018 & 2019 went a strong 7-1-1 at Legacy. Only loss was to a strong PT 2018 6-4. Their teams are full of D1 commits. Just shows how strong lax is north of LI.


No it doesn't!

Although you did well at a tournament that doesn't necessarily show how strong you are. North 2019 running the table shows how strong they are, everything is relative!


Result is misleading - Eclipse 2018 and 2017 are in fact loaded. 2019 not so much - struggling both last summer and this past weekend and not playing the field that was at Boys Latin.
Every program has different strong ages - Superstar is leaving theirs once the strong Ridgefield teams graduate, younger ages not good (all the early HS kids now play for North). Eclipse is new as well, good owners and coaches...has promise but is not deep at all ages out of the box.


The 2017 Eclipse team is pretty much lights-out. I havent seen a better 2017 team anywhere so far. Eclipse 2018 strong as well, and also improving (not to mention they were missing two of their studs this past weekend too). I know 2019 has made number of changes from last year, and should be much improved this year given a few of their additions....2019 was 2-0-1 last weekend (albeit not against the same top-10 level competition that was down at BL), and the one tie was their first game of the day.....not bad for a team that I dont think has had a single practice together this fall, and had several newcomers. For the 2019 age group in CT/WChst, the talent is pretty evenly spread around between Eclipse, Chargers, and LIE N, so all three of those teams are strong, but not sure any of the 3 would be viewed as dominant at the top national level. LIE N may have the first 2019 commit (and to a great school at that), but both Chargers and Eclipse have kids of that same level talent that are getting similar early d1 interest.

And really, at the end of the day, does it matter to anyone other than SOME of the players Dads' who wins a 2-goal game? I would bet you that the Ivy and NESCAC coaches I saw on the sidelines of the games last weekend in MA couldnt tell you today who won the Eclipse/PT 2018 game or the Eclipse/Team11 2019 game. I want my kid to play on a team where he gets good coaching (club doesnt just focus on their 3 studs per class) to improve his game, goes to the right tournaments to get exposure to good competition and maybe a look from a few college coaches, has a coach who can advocate for him when he needs it with a college coach or an individual showcase director, and most importantly, a team where he actually enjoys playing with his teammates. My $.02 anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 04:34 AM

Amen...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse 2017,2018 & 2019 went a strong 7-1-1 at Legacy. Only loss was to a strong PT 2018 6-4. Their teams are full of D1 commits. Just shows how strong lax is north of LI.


No it doesn't!

Although you did well at a tournament that doesn't necessarily show how strong you are. North 2019 running the table shows how strong they are, everything is relative!


Result is misleading - Eclipse 2018 and 2017 are in fact loaded. 2019 not so much - struggling both last summer and this past weekend and not playing the field that was at Boys Latin.
Every program has different strong ages - Superstar is leaving theirs once the strong Ridgefield teams graduate, younger ages not good (all the early HS kids now play for North). Eclipse is new as well, good owners and coaches...has promise but is not deep at all ages out of the box.


The 2017 Eclipse team is pretty much lights-out. I havent seen a better 2017 team anywhere so far. Eclipse 2018 strong as well, and also improving (not to mention they were missing two of their studs this past weekend too). I know 2019 has made number of changes from last year, and should be much improved this year given a few of their additions....2019 was 2-0-1 last weekend (albeit not against the same top-10 level competition that was down at BL), and the one tie was their first game of the day.....not bad for a team that I dont think has had a single practice together this fall, and had several newcomers. For the 2019 age group in CT/WChst, the talent is pretty evenly spread around between Eclipse, Chargers, and LIE N, so all three of those teams are strong, but not sure any of the 3 would be viewed as dominant at the top national level. LIE N may have the first 2019 commit (and to a great school at that), but both Chargers and Eclipse have kids of that same level talent that are getting similar early d1 interest.

And really, at the end of the day, does it matter to anyone other than SOME of the players Dads' who wins a 2-goal game? I would bet you that the Ivy and NESCAC coaches I saw on the sidelines of the games last weekend in MA couldnt tell you today who won the Eclipse/PT 2018 game or the Eclipse/Team11 2019 game. I want my kid to play on a team where he gets good coaching (club doesnt just focus on their 3 studs per class) to improve his game, goes to the right tournaments to get exposure to good competition and maybe a look from a few college coaches, has a coach who can advocate for him when he needs it with a college coach or an individual showcase director, and most importantly, a team where he actually enjoys playing with his teammates. My $.02 anyway.


I agree and disagree. I agree the talent may not have been as high in Ma. But I do think the college coaches absolutely took notice at some of the team's playing and winning. was great tournament and fit a nice for both clubs and coaches.i
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 11:28 AM

Eclipse 2019tied a LI Express B team plus the 17s are the old chargers kids my $.02
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 02:17 PM

Eclipse dad, I think you may be a bit blinded by the beautiful landscaping in New Canaan. In my opinion - In 2019, Chargers are a shell of their former self. Eclipse is a good team but not even close to Express North. I wouldn't go pounding your chest about tying LIE B team, beating Laxucheuttes C team and winning 5-4 over a team thrown together for the tournament(Team 11). Eclipse are similiar to Predators at 2019. Some elite players, some good players with great coaching. In 2018 - Prime Time and Express North are superior. In 2017, Eclipse and Predators are best of bunch in CT and Westchester. Good luck to everyone this weekend in PA, MA and MD.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse dad, I think you may be a bit blinded by the beautiful landscaping in New Canaan. In my opinion - In 2019, Chargers are a shell of their former self. Eclipse is a good team but not even close to Express North. I wouldn't go pounding your chest about tying LIE B team, beating Laxucheuttes C team and winning 5-4 over a team thrown together for the tournament(Team 11). Eclipse are similiar to Predators at 2019. Some elite players, some good players with great coaching. In 2018 - Prime Time and Express North are superior. In 2017, Eclipse and Predators are best of bunch in CT and Westchester. Good luck to everyone this weekend in PA, MA and MD.


I guess thats why they play the games...we will see who can hang and who cant. Would be surprised if Chargers 2019 are a "shell" given a few of their studs that as far as I know are still there, but I haven't seen them play in a while.

And for the record there was no "chest pounding" about the teams that Eclipse 2019 beat this weekend. Clearly stated before that the competition at 2019 was watered down vs the other grades. Although that didnt stop Deluca from watching the Eclipse/Team11 2019 game pretty much all the way thru.......must have been something he was interested in from either these "not top tier" or "thrown together" teams. Given the choice, I think i'd rather have Harvard watching my kid play in MA, than Maryland or Denver watching somewhere else.

And thank you, the view is beautiful here this time of year smile
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 03:01 PM

The key to all these relatively local programs is can they build behind good early success. Will take a while but folks have to be patient as most of these programs do, as others have said, have great coaching / contacts etc..

Eclipse has loaded 17 and 18 teams as New Canaan / Darien great at those ages.

Express North followed the success of the 18s with the 19s now.

Primetime, while not new, does have loaded 18s and up. Can the repeat the success at younger ages?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 03:04 PM

primetime doesnt even have a 4th grade team this year - they have killed their reputation in the john jay nhood, all the kids are going to express
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 03:50 PM

Prime Time did in fact select a fourth grade team from their tryouts. As for the reputation in the John Jay community they still have plenty of boys on their rosters from John Jay. Good for Prime Time taking the best players instead of being politically correct in taking inferior playears just because they love in the John Jay community.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 04:01 PM

PT does have a 4th grade team this year. You are not informed. Full roster set. They are just not playing Fall.

Across a variety of ages, PT is also drawing more from other towns including Greenwich, Wilton, etc.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 04:20 PM

well you can call it politically incorect all you want- but when you have used the john jay fields for free all these years and president of JJYL signs off on it, and then cut john jay kids , especially after they have played for 2-3,4 yaers , i would say that is morally disgusting- what has PT done for jjyl? free tryouts? no, freee clinics? no. just take take take - but lets get back to 2024- PT 2024 had 14 kids at each tryout and a good portion of them left for express north. a few are playing in Greenwich, so if they do have a 4th grade team, i am betting it one that will not be competitive or probably filled with 3rd graders.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 04:22 PM

even more politically incorrect is that the director of PT is now on the youth lacrosse board. fact is , that area is a political nightmare for youth lacrosse and it all stems from the awful reputation of people that do not look out for the boys in the community
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 04:27 PM

great stuff- my son played on PT 2023 last year - we got destroyed every single game, we even got beat by town teams, talent below 2022 is going somewhere else, not sure where
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
great stuff- my son played on PT 2023 last year - we got destroyed every single game, we even got beat by town teams, talent below 2022 is going somewhere else, not sure where
my son played for PT 2023 last year as well. Yes we got destroyed but I can tell you that all of the area teams in that age group did not do well. Prime Time and other local teams played in some talented brackets in some tough tournaments. My point is there are to many teams in a small area and the talent in watered down. Each team will have some serious holes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 06:15 PM

pulling from Greenwich because of Bulkey. Hiring the Greenwich Coach was very smart. Daniello is always thinking about his brand. Only mistake is he keeps to many inferior JJ kids during youth years. These kids go elsewhere and helping other organizations, ie: North, 3d select, Eclipse and so on.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 06:25 PM

JJ parents don't know how good they have it with Daniello. Without PT JJ lax would be brutal. They are always the bottom of the CONNY league
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 06:29 PM

thats because - he needs those jj youth kids to pay the freight and then when he doesnt need them he throws them off the very fields that their parents pay taxes for,. i dont blame daniello , i blame past(EL) and the present president (FM) of jjyl. FM was begging kids to play PT this year , suggesting that Daniello really cared about the jj kids. what a crock. its all about the money- lets just be honest.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 06:51 PM

thats a pretty stupid comment? what has daniello done for jjyl? u just said they are always at the bottom of the conny league? if he is so great, then why isnt jjyl better than the bottom? what has Primetime done for JJYL? absolutely nothing except charge high prices for useless programs while getting the facilities for free .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 07:14 PM

Bottom line if JJ kids are good then they won't get thrown off the team. PT is a travel program that boys have to tryout for, it is not a JJ town team that everyone makes and play. It is not fair to the boys who are better then the rest and don't get a spot on the team just because they are not from JJ. Parents should always remind themselves that competitive lacroose involves cuts to a roster.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 07:54 PM

i completely agree with that above comment- its a travel team and the goal of that team is to win with the best players - what i am saying is that , PT should pay back the youth organization with free clinics, through out the year for the use of the free fields. Daniello should be working closely with the youth programs in order to help out the overall talent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse dad, I think you may be a bit blinded by the beautiful landscaping in New Canaan. In my opinion - In 2019, Chargers are a shell of their former self. Eclipse is a good team but not even close to Express North. I wouldn't go pounding your chest about tying LIE B team, beating Laxucheuttes C team and winning 5-4 over a team thrown together for the tournament(Team 11). Eclipse are similiar to Predators at 2019. Some elite players, some good players with great coaching. In 2018 - Prime Time and Express North are superior. In 2017, Eclipse and Predators are best of bunch in CT and Westchester. Good luck to everyone this weekend in PA, MA and MD.


Prime Time came in 3rd in Ma and you're calling them superior. You are giving the teams that beat them to much credit. LB3 where are they from? and Outlaws are they strictly LI kids? or does Select mean they are pulling from all over the eastern seaboard like the rest do? Chargers a shell? I am sure they will have some players back every once in a while. For now lets just Say EN, then leave some room for everyone else; Eclipse, Predators (since they dint lose this weekend) then Prime-Time.

Predators 2017 didn't they have some talented 2018 on it? Are they a Jersey Rockland group? 2017 eclipse do they have "older" players?

A good question might be when will Westchester have an elite tournament or showcase, then and only then will you show the rest of the areas you have multiple elite teams and can be a hot bed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse dad, I think you may be a bit blinded by the beautiful landscaping in New Canaan. In my opinion - In 2019, Chargers are a shell of their former self. Eclipse is a good team but not even close to Express North. I wouldn't go pounding your chest about tying LIE B team, beating Laxucheuttes C team and winning 5-4 over a team thrown together for the tournament(Team 11). Eclipse are similiar to Predators at 2019. Some elite players, some good players with great coaching. In 2018 - Prime Time and Express North are superior. In 2017, Eclipse and Predators are best of bunch in CT and Westchester. Good luck to everyone this weekend in PA, MA and MD.


Prime Time came in 3rd in Ma and you're calling them superior. You are giving the teams that beat them to much credit. LB3 where are they from? and Outlaws are they strictly LI kids? or does Select mean they are pulling from all over the eastern seaboard like the rest do? Chargers a shell? I am sure they will have some players back every once in a while. For now lets just Say EN, then leave some room for everyone else; Eclipse, Predators (since they dint lose this weekend) then Prime-Time.

Predators 2017 didn't they have some talented 2018 on it? Are they a Jersey Rockland group? 2017 eclipse do they have "older" players?

A good question might be when will Westchester have an elite tournament or showcase, then and only then will you show the rest of the areas you have multiple elite teams and can be a hot bed.


for the record not saying you're not a hot bed just hate the turnpike. Wouldn't mind a trip to Westchester instead
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse dad, I think you may be a bit blinded by the beautiful landscaping in New Canaan. In my opinion - In 2019, Chargers are a shell of their former self. Eclipse is a good team but not even close to Express North. I wouldn't go pounding your chest about tying LIE B team, beating Laxucheuttes C team and winning 5-4 over a team thrown together for the tournament(Team 11). Eclipse are similiar to Predators at 2019. Some elite players, some good players with great coaching. In 2018 - Prime Time and Express North are superior. In 2017, Eclipse and Predators are best of bunch in CT and Westchester. Good luck to everyone this weekend in PA, MA and MD.


Prime Time came in 3rd in Ma and you're calling them superior. You are giving the teams that beat them to much credit. LB3 where are they from? and Outlaws are they strictly LI kids? or does Select mean they are pulling from all over the eastern seaboard like the rest do? Chargers a shell? I am sure they will have some players back every once in a while. For now lets just Say EN, then leave some room for everyone else; Eclipse, Predators (since they dint lose this weekend) then Prime-Time.

Predators 2017 didn't they have some talented 2018 on it? Are they a Jersey Rockland group? 2017 eclipse do they have "older" players?

A good question might be when will Westchester have an elite tournament or showcase, then and only then will you show the rest of the areas you have multiple elite teams and can be a hot bed.


Predators draws primarily from (lower) Westchester. Don't know of anyone from outside, but could be mistaken. Their 2017 team were all 2017s last year and same this year. Predators 2017-19 will be playing in their first tournament at Harvard this weekend. The schedule is posted. There are only a few games with local or LI teams. 2018 plays 3d Tristate and 2017 plays LI Sting and 3d Tristate. Would agree that Preds 2017 is top team along with 2017 Eclipse in WC/CT area. Preds 2017 won NXT Philly Summmer invitational and Adrenaline Summer invitational last year. Know many of the kids on Eclipse 2017. They are stacked! Preds 2018/19 teams have some elite players, but teams are probably not best in area. Will know more this weekend. Would love to see them play other local teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/04/15 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
i completely agree with that above comment- its a travel team and the goal of that team is to win with the best players - what i am saying is that , PT should pay back the youth organization with free clinics, through out the year for the use of the free fields. Daniello should be working closely with the youth programs in order to help out the overall talent.


and why should PT pay the youth organization. Isnt it school field not youth fields, I could be wrong. Maybe the school district shuld see the $$ but definitely not the youth organization.

what you are imply goes down the worst of roads.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/05/15 12:26 AM

First. Off. Jjyl was signing an affidavit every year implying that pt was an extension of the youth program in order to gain access to fields that would not be normally be available to a "for profit " organization. And in term
S of payment. Well it doesn't have to be in the form of money. It could be instruction, clinics, maybe drop tryout fee for residents. Etc.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/05/15 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
First. Off. Jjyl was signing an affidavit every year implying that pt was an extension of the youth program in order to gain access to fields that would not be normally be available to a "for profit " organization. And in term
S of payment. Well it doesn't have to be in the form of money. It could be instruction, clinics, maybe drop tryout fee for residents. Etc.


And again your wrong. The field use is for July not for a profit to use as an extension. The $$ or any good will goes to school district pretty cut and dry in NYS. Looks like the more you push the more JJKL school district can even revolk the youth organization from using school field.

Now insurance is a separate issue. I am sure Prime Time has their own.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/05/15 03:25 AM

Daniello personally coached the 2020 team in JJYL last season and helped make a weak team much better. He also gets other coaches to help out. What more do you want, his blood. You JJ parents are nuts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/05/15 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
First. Off. Jjyl was signing an affidavit every year implying that pt was an extension of the youth program in order to gain access to fields that would not be normally be available to a "for profit " organization. And in term
S of payment. Well it doesn't have to be in the form of money. It could be instruction, clinics, maybe drop tryout fee for residents. Etc.


And again your wrong. The field use is for July not for a profit to use as an extension. The $$ or any good will goes to school district pretty cut and dry in NYS. Looks like the more you push the more JJKL school district can even revolk the youth organization from using school field.

Now insurance is a separate issue. I am sure Prime Time has their own.


JJKL not July
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/05/15 10:40 AM

Does it really matter where it goes. Bottom line is pt wasn't paying for the fields at all. They were getting them for free.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/05/15 03:43 PM

does tri state 91 have any committed kids yet?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/05/15 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does it really matter where it goes. Bottom line is pt wasn't paying for the fields at all. They were getting them for free.


I think you are mistaken, The issue as I see it isn't they got the field for free the issue is JJYL cant broker the fields as they wish then expect something in return. Quid pro quo
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/05/15 04:24 PM

i agree - jjyl should be in trouble as well - well that is why PT is no longer using school fields - point really was that PT was taking advantage of teh system and jjyl was helping them, they are both wrong - only difference is that PT is making money and technically JJYL is non profit, or so they say
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/05/15 04:25 PM

best part is that daniello was giving 2k a year to the jj booster club to keep everyone quiet and when people started complaining, he stopped giving the money
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/05/15 05:15 PM

It's not like JJYL or any JJ school teams got thrown off school fields so PT could use them. It is coming off like sour grapes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/05/15 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not like JJYL or any JJ school teams got thrown off school fields so PT could use them. It is coming off like sour grapes.


exactly, pay a nominal fee for the use of the fields. do not be forced to take a certain amount of JJ kids, but offer clinics and camps and before you know it it will be a power house again.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/05/15 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not like JJYL or any JJ school teams got thrown off school fields so PT could use them. It is coming off like sour grapes.


exactly, pay a nominal fee for the use of the fields. do not be forced to take a certain amount of JJ kids, but offer clinics and camps and before you know it it will be a power house again.


This. Most municipal entities will give priority to local non-profit sports leagues that show that their participants are all, or nearly all, residents of the community. These organizations will get free use of the field. With whatever field use is left over, they will charge surprisingly low fees for organizations with outside membership.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/06/15 11:26 PM

Yikes, talk about beating a dead horse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/07/15 01:54 AM

good test for express 2024 tomorrow. outlaws and igloo down at princeton.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/07/15 06:09 PM

Igloo 6. Express north 3. Express north was missing some real firepower today I am told. Not too bad
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/07/15 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo 6. Express north 3. Express north was missing some real firepower today I am told. Not too bad


And then got mauled by outlaws 11-2. Not a great day
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/07/15 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo 6. Express north 3. Express north was missing some real firepower today I am told. Not too bad


And then got mauled by outlaws 11-2. Not a great day


4th grade? Sure, better panic about their quality of play. Nut jobs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/07/15 11:26 PM

I don't see any westchester 4th grade team coming close. Express north was missing 2/3 of their starting attack And a few more players. Starting goalie left after the 3rd game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/08/15 01:00 AM

There's the angry PT guy very consistent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/08/15 10:21 PM

Stop I am not angry just telling it like it is PT is the #1 organization north of Long Island and the 2nd best organization isn't close to us. We beat everyone in the area #1.

Happy PT parent
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/08/15 10:35 PM

That may have been true. And true for some teams. But clearly that is changing at a rapid pace. Especially at the younger ages
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/09/15 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stop I am not angry just telling it like it is PT is the #1 organization north of Long Island and the 2nd best organization isn't close to us. We beat everyone in the area #1.

Happy PT parent


You don't think Express North is up there? I find that hard to believe, their 2018 just as good if not better than PT and the 2019 team far exceeds PT 2019. As far as the younger grades, it's a crapshoot for both organization.

I'm glad your happy with your program but let's not be delusional.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/09/15 12:29 PM

Things in Westchester/CT are changing very quickly. Every club will stumble in a given age/class.

To a certain extent this is a good thing. More/better competition helps the development of all the kids. But there is a point of saturation at which it all becomes watered down. You'll know that time has arrived when clubs merge and/or buy each other.

The clubs which can consistently add value will flourish. That includes quality instruction (first and foremost), scheduling, recruitment, and player promotion (college commitment). The clubs that just roll a ball out there and let the kids play will eventually fade away.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/09/15 12:40 PM

Unfortunately it's all our opinions, but PT has been on top since knocking Superstars off the perch years ago. Each organization may have a strong team at a certain age but PT overall is #1 north of LI. This summer will hopefully clear things up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/09/15 12:49 PM

so - what i find really intersting and i heard this first hand- Daniello approached Roy Colsey and tries to merge the 2 organizations. Colsey told him no.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/09/15 01:19 PM

I bet that has a lot to do about the American Lacrosse Academy and also 2 teams per age group equals more money. Remember he quit his day job (attorney) to do PT full time. Now that he has to pay for fields he may be regretting that move.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/09/15 01:33 PM

Top teams north of LI

2016 -

Best team Primetime ever assembled.

2017 -
1 - Eclipse
2 - Primetime

2018 -
1 - Primetime
2 - Eclipse
3 - North

2019 -
1 - LIE North
2 - Eclipse

2020 -
1 - LIE North

2021 -
1 - Eclipse
2 - LIE North
3 - 2

2022 -
1 - Primetime
2 - North
3 - 91 tri-state
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/09/15 02:47 PM

Preds 2017 beat PT 2017 at Tristate two years ago, wasn't even close. Teams do change year to year and I will acknowledge PT team is good, but don't see how you can say PT is better than Preds 2017 based upon PT's 2014 loss to Preds and Pred's body of work in summer of 2015: Preds 2017 won the 2015 NXT (also attended by PT) and Adrenaline Summer Invitationals. Of course until they play this is all conjecture. Perhaps next summer they will.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/09/15 04:24 PM

only one man's opinion. feel free to change or put your own view up for all to see. This was more to start a dialogue and see how other teams are doing. nothing would make me feel better than seeing this area kick Long Island butt.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/09/15 06:04 PM

PT 2017 marginal at best
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/09/15 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top teams north of LI

2016 -

Best team Primetime ever assembled.

2017 -
1 - Eclipse
2 - Primetime

2018 -
1 - Primetime
2 - Eclipse
3 - North

2019 -
1 - LIE North
2 - Eclipse

2020 -
1 - LIE North

2021 -
1 - Eclipse
2 - LIE North
3 - 2

2022 -
1 - Primetime
2 - North
3 - 91 tri-state


Primetime should be 1 or 2 in 2021 division. 2018- Express North should be higher. 2019 Express North is clearly the class of the region. 2020, no qualms
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/10/15 12:17 AM

We will get an early read on many of the younger teams as I think lie north, predators, primetime and chargers are playing at Yale this weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/10/15 02:47 PM

How did Westchester teams do at Harvard Crimson tourney last weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/11/15 03:42 AM

Now this is a good post. Seems pretty solid though arguments can be made up and and down the line. Wish 2023 was included. Yale should help solidify this list. Though, really, we all know this area really needs a local tourney for these local teams to battle it out. Frustrating how team directors are so worried to play one another for fear of losing. They won't even scrimmage. Nuts to travel to Harvard when so many to face are within 30 minutes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/11/15 03:08 PM

Good news for 2021

Primetime vs. LIE North at Yale on Saturday.

We will find out who is #1 in Westchester.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/11/15 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now this is a good post. Seems pretty solid though arguments can be made up and and down the line. Wish 2023 was included. Yale should help solidify this list. Though, really, we all know this area really needs a local tourney for these local teams to battle it out. Frustrating how team directors are so worried to play one another for fear of losing. They won't even scrimmage. Nuts to travel to Harvard when so many to face are within 30 minutes.


get used to it, LI team rarely played each other when they were younger
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/11/15 11:51 PM

Also Prime Time 2023/2022 vs LI North 2022 at Yale this Saturday.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/12/15 12:36 AM

They do not have LIE North in that division. The schedule I am looking at has #D Tri Stare, Necks 2021 & Primetime. They have LIE Express in Blue North
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/12/15 01:01 AM

The most up to date schedule is now posted on the Yale Bulldog website. Both PT 2021 and 2023/2022 teams are playing LI North
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/12/15 01:14 AM

2021 Yellow North PT and LI North. 2022 Brown North 2023/2022 PT and LI North. Both play each other.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/12/15 12:09 PM

This is great stuff. Two men that are doing a great job in Westchester Daniello & Schreiber. Let's see who comes out on top. A lot of these kids know each other and it should be two fun games. It's what sports is all about competition, rivalries and friendship.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/12/15 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is great stuff. Two men that are doing a great job in Westchester Daniello & Schreiber. Let's see who comes out on top. A lot of these kids know each other and it should be two fun games. It's what sports is all about competition, rivalries and friendship.


Great post! Some may play school ball together many will play some region events together. Keep the rivalry and competition lively but make sure the friendships run deep!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/13/15 01:09 PM

Why is Express 2020 playing in the B division at Yale? I thought they were an A team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/13/15 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is Express 2020 playing in the B division at Yale? I thought they were an A team.


No chance of winning and putting a pic on the wbsite
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/13/15 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is Express 2020 playing in the B division at Yale? I thought they were an A team.


There are several teams in divisions that they don't belong in. This is going to be a trainwreck.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/13/15 02:57 PM

Problem is there are no A divisions at Yale. It has become a "B" level tournament.
Express North & Primetime should wipe up the competition.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/13/15 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Problem is there are no A divisions at Yale. It has become a "B" level tournament.
Express North & Primetime should wipe up the competition.



You could probably say the same for most of the fall tourneys. And rightly so. Kids have other sports to play.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/14/15 12:16 PM

3d NE was very good over the summer
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/14/15 06:00 PM

Score from express north 2024 vs 91?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/14/15 09:50 PM

How did the Westchester & CT youth teams do today at the Yale tournament? I am especially interested to hear how the better Westchester & CT 2020, 2021 & 2022 teams did (such as Primetime, Predators, 3D Tristate, LIE North and Chargers). Thanks in advance for any updates.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/14/15 10:39 PM

Express North 2020 went 4-0
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/14/15 11:56 PM

Below is a bunch scores noted from the board at Yale:

2020s:
PT beat 3D Tristate 9-2
TGNecks beat PT 7-1
91 Crush beat Chargers 16-1
Express N beat Superstar 8-2
91 Crush beat Preds 13-1
91 Crush beat NH tomahawks 6-3


2021s:
2way beat 3D NE 4-0
PT beat TG Necks 12-1
PT beat Express N 11-1
2way tie Preds 1-1
PT beat 91 Ambush 6-3
Express N beat TG Necks 6-3
91 Anbush beat Express N 6-3
Express N beat TG necks 6-3

2022s:
2way beat Preds 2-1
3D NE beat Preds 5-3
Superstar beat 2way 9-4
PT 22/23 beat 3D tristate 6-1
Superstar beat Preds 7-0
3D NE beat 2way 8-1
PT 22/23 beat Express N 5-3
Express N beat TG necks 7-1
TG Necks beat 3D tristate 8-3





Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/15/15 12:33 AM


Prime Time 2023/2022 went 4-0 won their bracket (Beat LI North 5-3)
Prime Time 2021 went 4-0 won their bracket (Beat LI North 11-1)
PT 2020 went 2-2
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/15/15 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Below is a bunch scores noted from the board at Yale:

2020s:
PT beat 3D Tristate 4-2
TGNecks beat PT 7-1
91 Crush beat Chargers 16-1
Express N beat Superstar 8-2
91 Crush beat Preds 13-1
91 Crush beat NH tomahawks 6-3




Fixed the PT v 3d TS score. 2020 PT, 3d, and Preds are all evenly matched.

At Yale, Tomahawks were the class of their bracket eventually losing to Crush in the final. Gave the Crush a decent game and not the usual 'walk over' to which Crush are accustomed. Congrats to them.

PT beat 3d, 3d beat the 'Necks, and the 'Necks beat PT. Rankings went down to goals allowed which resulted in... 2nd-Necks, 3rd-3d, 4th-PT. Good competition all day.

3d and Preds played at Harvard with 3d winning by one goal. Again, very evenly matched. Could go either way. So you have three teams who have faced off against each other and the games have been roughly even.

The Express North was placed, or choose to participate, in the lower bracket at Yale so it is very difficult to determine where they fit. They did win two tourneys on LI with relative ease, but those were primarily against town teams so the jury is still out. Similarly we don't really know much about Eclipse although they were invited to Denver last year. Hopefully they will add even more to the mix.

2020 in Westchester/CT is and will continue to be very competitive and I'm sure they all will win and lose to each other because I don't see any team with 'all the pieces'.

Potentially there are as many as five teams that can play with each other. That is great for the development of the kids as long as the teams don't dodge each other like some teams on LI do.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/16/15 01:05 AM

Eclipse 2021 is a strong team. Lost to icon today 5-4 in the championship round at a Maryland tournament. These two teams had beaten the crabs and edge in the playoffs to get to the finals. Eclipse had also beaten icon earlier in the day. Primetime and eclipse will definitely challenge Long Island for spots at the World Series tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/16/15 03:57 PM

PT 22/23 was in lower bracket so tough to say how good there 22 team is. It is the fall so who really cares who did what, many kids missing in Fall tourneys.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/16/15 04:54 PM

True, I watched some 2022 games and I could say that PT 22 is going to have a good summer. They basically won very handily all the games at Yale despite having a team with about 40% of 2023 kids and 1 2024 on it. The younger PT teams look like they are improved from last year. LI North played very well also, giving PT a good game. quote=Anonymous]PT 22/23 was in lower bracket so tough to say how good there 22 team is. It is the fall so who really cares who did what, many kids missing in Fall tourneys. [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/16/15 08:43 PM

Superstar 2022 easily in top 3
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Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/16/15 10:11 PM

How did Preds 2023 do at Yale?
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Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/16/15 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did Preds 2023 do at Yale?
If I am not mistaken they made it to the finals but lost big to Team 91.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/23/15 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express north beat crabs and dukes this summer.


Express North 2019 beat Edge, Crabs, Sweetlax..... time to gel? They are a top 3 2019 team in the country.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/23/15 05:43 PM

Wow props to Schreiber. Great wins and I agree they are definitely a top team in the country
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Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/23/15 10:07 PM

Eclipse got eclipsed
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Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/24/15 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express north beat crabs and dukes this summer.


Express North 2019 beat Edge, Crabs, Sweetlax..... time to gel? They are a top 3 2019 team in the country.


I saw the LI Express North 2019 game vs Sweatlax a few weekends ago and it made me question the entire early recruiting process. How can Sweatlax have 8...9...10? kids committed to big D1 programs and I don't think LIE North has a single kid committed yet. Express North was the better team up and down the field and could have won by 3-4 goals if they didn't slow the play down. It's a mystery.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/24/15 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express north beat crabs and dukes this summer.


Express North 2019 beat Edge, Crabs, Sweetlax..... time to gel? They are a top 3 2019 team in the country.


Its because they actually play like a team, and not like a bunch of kids just showing off how good their "split dodge/shoot on the run" showcase game is to college coaches. Its kinda nice to watch. Having a few notable 16 yo hold-backs doesnt hurt either (altho their predominantly age-appropriate D is pretty damn good). The LIE-N draw was really weak this past weekend tho (not their fault).

After watching a number of games this weekend, the matchup I would like to see is LIE-N vs Laxachusetts. That Laxa team is just downright nasty.

.....and no, im not an express parent....actually my kid plays on one of the LIE-N "local competitors". I'm just secure enough about myself (and my son) to not be afraid to praise other teams. Our team didnt win all our games this weekend in Philly, but there were multiple high-level D1 coaches on the sideline of EVERY game we played. So if your kid played well in a game or two in Philly this weekend, I guarantee that at least a few coaches noticed, even if your team lost. And I think thats why we bother paying the $$ and schlepping to PA, right?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/24/15 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow props to Schreiber. Great wins and I agree they are definitely a top team in the country


Good man and coach. He has done wonders with that team
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/25/15 01:52 PM

In a time where many clubs are more focused on primarily recruiting great players to their program as a means to fielding a great team, CS actually develops a lot of good players into better players and takes ok teams and makes them into highly competitive teams. That is a great experience for a kid willing to put in the work. CS deserves a lot of credit for actually developing young players and building teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/25/15 02:49 PM

CS recruits as hard as anyone else so let's not make him a saint. Nothing wrong with trying to make your team stronger. As said CS is doing a great job. He recruits for all grades to make Express North as strong as they can be. Once people realize he has as many connections if not more than PT and other clubs he will get even stronger.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/25/15 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express north beat crabs and dukes this summer.


Express North 2019 beat Edge, Crabs, Sweetlax..... time to gel? They are a top 3 2019 team in the country.


Its because they actually play like a team, and not like a bunch of kids just showing off how good their "split dodge/shoot on the run" showcase game is to college coaches. Its kinda nice to watch. Having a few notable 16 yo hold-backs doesnt hurt either (altho their predominantly age-appropriate D is pretty damn good). The LIE-N draw was really weak this past weekend tho (not their fault).

After watching a number of games this weekend, the matchup I would like to see is LIE-N vs Laxachusetts. That Laxa team is just downright nasty.

.....and no, im not an express parent....actually my kid plays on one of the LIE-N "local competitors". I'm just secure enough about myself (and my son) to not be afraid to praise other teams. Our team didnt win all our games this weekend in Philly, but there were multiple high-level D1 coaches on the sideline of EVERY game we played. So if your kid played well in a game or two in Philly this weekend, I guarantee that at least a few coaches noticed, even if your team lost. And I think thats why we bother paying the $$ and schlepping to PA, right?


We (I am an LIE North Dad) beat Laxachusetts this past summer and it was a battle. I think the team does so well is because they do actually play like a team. I noticed the other LI Express 2019 team has a few ball hogs and once the opponent figures out they are not passing, they get shut down and its why they lose. Some kids are showcase trained and do put on a good show, but is that what a college coach wants? I tell my son to play the game the right way regardless of who is watching.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/25/15 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express north beat crabs and dukes this summer.


Express North 2019 beat Edge, Crabs, Sweetlax..... time to gel? They are a top 3 2019 team in the country.


Its because they actually play like a team, and not like a bunch of kids just showing off how good their "split dodge/shoot on the run" showcase game is to college coaches. Its kinda nice to watch. Having a few notable 16 yo hold-backs doesnt hurt either (altho their predominantly age-appropriate D is pretty damn good). The LIE-N draw was really weak this past weekend tho (not their fault).

After watching a number of games this weekend, the matchup I would like to see is LIE-N vs Laxachusetts. That Laxa team is just downright nasty.

.....and no, im not an express parent....actually my kid plays on one of the LIE-N "local competitors". I'm just secure enough about myself (and my son) to not be afraid to praise other teams. Our team didnt win all our games this weekend in Philly, but there were multiple high-level D1 coaches on the sideline of EVERY game we played. So if your kid played well in a game or two in Philly this weekend, I guarantee that at least a few coaches noticed, even if your team lost. And I think thats why we bother paying the $$ and schlepping to PA, right?


We (I am an LIE North Dad) beat Laxachusetts this past summer and it was a battle. I think the team does so well is because they do actually play like a team. I noticed the other LI Express 2019 team has a few ball hogs and once the opponent figures out they are not passing, they get shut down and its why they lose. Some kids are showcase trained and do put on a good show, but is that what a college coach wants? I tell my son to play the game the right way regardless of who is watching.


I watched many teams, as long as Laxa is in the 2019 division they will win. I think they are the new "Edge" for the spring 2016.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/25/15 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express north beat crabs and dukes this summer.


Express North 2019 beat Edge, Crabs, Sweetlax..... time to gel? They are a top 3 2019 team in the country.


Its because they actually play like a team, and not like a bunch of kids just showing off how good their "split dodge/shoot on the run" showcase game is to college coaches. Its kinda nice to watch. Having a few notable 16 yo hold-backs doesnt hurt either (altho their predominantly age-appropriate D is pretty damn good). The LIE-N draw was really weak this past weekend tho (not their fault).

After watching a number of games this weekend, the matchup I would like to see is LIE-N vs Laxachusetts. That Laxa team is just downright nasty.

.....and no, im not an express parent....actually my kid plays on one of the LIE-N "local competitors". I'm just secure enough about myself (and my son) to not be afraid to praise other teams. Our team didnt win all our games this weekend in Philly, but there were multiple high-level D1 coaches on the sideline of EVERY game we played. So if your kid played well in a game or two in Philly this weekend, I guarantee that at least a few coaches noticed, even if your team lost. And I think thats why we bother paying the $$ and schlepping to PA, right?


We (I am an LIE North Dad) beat Laxachusetts this past summer and it was a battle. I think the team does so well is because they do actually play like a team. I noticed the other LI Express 2019 team has a few ball hogs and once the opponent figures out they are not passing, they get shut down and its why they lose. Some kids are showcase trained and do put on a good show, but is that what a college coach wants? I tell my son to play the game the right way regardless of who is watching.


I watched many teams, as long as Laxa is in the 2019 division they will win. I think they are the new "Edge" for the spring 2016.


When you write they are the new "Edge", are you inferring they are all older kids?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/27/15 01:07 PM

Don't forget Lourdes in Dutchess County. They are playing for the football State Championship in Class A in Syracuse. If they ever get a real lax Coach with those athletes skies the limit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/27/15 01:10 PM

2022 - Hill

2021 - Regan

Two good coaches who need to do well today at a low level tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/27/15 06:47 PM

How did 2024 Express North do today down on LI?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/27/15 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 - Hill

2021 - Regan

Two good coaches who need to do well today at a low level tournament.


How did Express North 2021 and 2022 do today?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/27/15 09:45 PM

1-1-1. Tied oreilly. Lost to schwalje by 1
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/27/15 10:17 PM

Well done... Shows them Westchester can hang.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/27/15 11:50 PM

[quote=Anonymous]Well done... Shows them Westchester can hang. [/quote
Ha hilarious.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/28/15 01:19 AM

Pt basher surfaces again. Must bother u a lot to consistently post. Wonder why
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/28/15 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pt basher surfaces again. Must bother u a lot to consistently post. Wonder why


Huh?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/28/15 03:27 PM

Where does PT come into this? Sounds like dad has some confidence issues.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/28/15 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where does PT come into this? Sounds like dad has some confidence issues.


He should now that you mention it!!!! Ha ha here hee
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/28/15 10:03 PM

How did LIE North 2022 do yesterday?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/28/15 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pt basher surfaces again. Must bother u a lot to consistently post. Wonder why


Nah, just an LI dad trolling thinking you guys are funny. I like how the 2024 dad measures success by how little you lose by. Didn't the lose to Outlaws 11-2? yikes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 11/29/15 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pt basher surfaces again. Must bother u a lot to consistently post. Wonder why


Nah, just an LI dad trolling thinking you guys are funny. I like how the 2024 dad measures success by how little you lose by. Didn't the lose to Outlaws 11-2? yikes.


still don't get your point. Glad you get it and hope it has made you feel better. Whatever it is you are saying, I agree!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/03/15 12:45 PM

This thread is too quiet.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/03/15 07:06 PM

who is coaching primetime 2024 this year
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/03/15 09:11 PM

Will Yorktown own the Section once again this year?

I know they graduated a lot of players, who's stepping in to fill the void?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/04/15 02:18 AM

What is the best winter lax training (for middle school aged attackmen) in westchester and Connecticut? Looking for ideas for next winter. Thanks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/04/15 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the best winter lax training (for middle school aged attackmen) in westchester and Connecticut? Looking for ideas for next winter. Thanks.


Go to Long Island
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/04/15 02:29 PM

I think John Jay, Pleasantville, Fox Lane, Rye and Bronxville will be in the hunt.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/06/15 11:29 PM

Yorktown has 2 defensemen that have committed to Maryland & Notre Dame. So does that answer your question about Yorktowns supremacy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/07/15 02:06 PM

not really - 2 guys does not make a whole team , but congrats to those boys
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/07/15 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
not really - 2 guys does not make a whole team , but congrats to those boys

Yorktown's supremacy is in question this year. While they should never be counted out, it should be noted that they lost 63.8% of total point scorers last year and most of that was from the midfield. Their returning juniors (seniors this year) contributed only 6.7% of last year's total points while their returning sophomores (juniors this year) contributed 29.5%. The sophomores were both at the attack position. They will be a very young team without much, if any, scoring potential from the midfield.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/07/15 04:22 PM

I agree. Yorktown should never be counted out. I think there is more parity in Westchester now and other programs like JJ, Fox Lane, Rye, Pleasantville and Bronxville have very strong returning starters. I think depth of the line up usually tilts towards Yorktown.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/07/15 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
not really - 2 guys does not make a whole team , but congrats to those boys

Yorktown's supremacy is in question this year. While they should never be counted out, it should be noted that they lost 63.8% of total point scorers last year and most of that was from the midfield. Their returning juniors (seniors this year) contributed only 6.7% of last year's total points while their returning sophomores (juniors this year) contributed 29.5%. The sophomores were both at the attack position. They will be a very young team without much, if any, scoring potential from the midfield.


I think we'll be fine. Our 2014 state championship was won in a supposedly "down" year after graduating players who were considered superstars that carried the team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/07/15 06:49 PM

Well said, believe me I am not a Yorktown fan but their dominance in Section 1 has been incredible and it's not ending anytime soon. The one team that has great talent is Fox Lane, but coaching is the biggest factor in sports and winning. Marr is a great coach under a great deal of pressure to win and he continually delivers. Bronxville has been great. John Jay & Rye are very good teams but will not win as consistently as Ytown.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/07/15 09:56 PM

What happens when these great or dominant teams go into the NY State Championships. Section 3 and 8 and 11 generally come home with the hardware. Yes they are good teams, not sure about dominant or great?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/08/15 03:39 PM

Tough to compare NYS titles, since some schools bounce from A to B or B to C. However, just looking at Class B, there have been 30 champions crowned. Section 8 has 11 (Garden City with 5 and South Side, Wantagh, Lynbrook, Bethpage, Manhasset and Elmont with 1 each), Section 1 has 6 (Yorktown), Section 3 has 5 (Jamesville-DeWitt with 4 and Cortland with 1), Section 11 has 5 (Huntington and Comsewogue with 2 each and Rocky Point with 1), Section 5 has 2 (Victor and Canandaigua) and Section 4 has 1 (Corning East).

Agreed, Yorktown doesn't get much support from other Section 1 schools (Mahopac has one A title and Bronxville has one C title), but Yorktown's 7 titles (they won an "A" title when there was only a single bracket) ranks 3rd to only West Genesee (15 A titles) and Ward Melville (8 A titles).

If Yorktown isn't considered dominant or great, then I guess only West Genesee has earned that label.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/08/15 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tough to compare NYS titles, since some schools bounce from A to B or B to C. However, just looking at Class B, there have been 30 champions crowned. Section 8 has 11 (Garden City with 5 and South Side, Wantagh, Lynbrook, Bethpage, Manhasset and Elmont with 1 each), Section 1 has 6 (Yorktown), Section 3 has 5 (Jamesville-DeWitt with 4 and Cortland with 1), Section 11 has 5 (Huntington and Comsewogue with 2 each and Rocky Point with 1), Section 5 has 2 (Victor and Canandaigua) and Section 4 has 1 (Corning East).

Agreed, Yorktown doesn't get much support from other Section 1 schools (Mahopac has one A title and Bronxville has one C title), but Yorktown's 7 titles (they won an "A" title when there was only a single bracket) ranks 3rd to only West Genesee (15 A titles) and Ward Melville (8 A titles).

If Yorktown isn't considered dominant or great, then I guess only West Genesee has earned that label.


Yorktown is a consistently strong program always in the hunt for a state title. The coaches are dedicated, the players are dedicated and the town is supportive. Bronxville has modeled itself after Yorktown and even hired a bunch of Yorktown alumni to coach. Section 1 will strengthen and Yorktown's dominance will be challenged which is good for all involved.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/08/15 04:32 PM

Bronxville lost the best player in the team history. They will take Sec 1 C but if they are playing the same schedule as last year, expect a tougher slate.
They seemed to wear down as the season went on playing a very good out of section opponents.
The team will need to figure the post-Grass era Offense, probably more middie focused O dodging from up top. Should repeat as Sec 1 C champs and hopefully be healthy for state run.
A - Fox, Mamo, Pac
B - Town, Rye, JJ
C - Bville, Pvillle, Bcliff
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/08/15 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bronxville lost the best player in the team history. They will take Sec 1 C but if they are playing the same schedule as last year, expect a tougher slate.
They seemed to wear down as the season went on playing a very good out of section opponents.
The team will need to figure the post-Grass era Offense, probably more middie focused O dodging from up top. Should repeat as Sec 1 C champs and hopefully be healthy for state run.
A - Fox, Mamo, Pac
B - Town, Rye, JJ
C - Bville, Pvillle, Bcliff


Pleasantville was the section C champs, not Bronxville.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/08/15 06:21 PM

Yorktown is for sure in, I think the mention of Bronxville, Fox Lane, John Jay, Rye etc is where the question of great teams came from.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/08/15 07:51 PM

You are correct, my bad. Great game by Panthers, actually beat them twice, once at Bville during season. Pville has some good young players as well. No slam dunk in C this year for Broncos.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/08/15 08:13 PM

am I crazy to think this is more Sect one talk now. if so who thinks the wizard can do in Wappingers what he did in the Valley. Lets get even crazier how about in B can Hen Hud, Somers and Eastchester make some noise. Seems there are some athletes over there not sure if lacrosse players. Same when someone earlier this month mention Lourdes having good football players who played lax could they muddy the water a bit too.

Section 1 is so diverse it is crazy not sure and dark house can come out of the mix. [lacrosse] how about Pearl River
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/08/15 08:49 PM

A good football team doesn't necessarily mean if those kids decided to play lacrosse they would be automatically good. Look at a powerhouse football program like New Rochelle. It's not easy to just give a kid in high school a stick, no matter how good of an athlete he is, and expect him to be able to adapt to the speed and decision making being made at the top of Sec 1. Maybe in the 80's and 90's this was more plausible, but the sport has grown tremendously.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/08/15 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
A good football team doesn't necessarily mean if those kids decided to play lacrosse they would be automatically good. Look at a powerhouse football program like New Rochelle. It's not easy to just give a kid in high school a stick, no matter how good of an athlete he is, and expect him to be able to adapt to the speed and decision making being made at the top of Sec 1. Maybe in the 80's and 90's this was more plausible, but the sport has grown tremendously.



I hear ya (So you want to rule out Lourdes Pearl River and Eastchester) but what about Wappinger's? I find it very intriguing!

Where do the catholics fall in Westchester Lax. Iona Stepinac. Ill go to your if you are a good football school it may not translate into lax for Stepinac. I almost forgot Kennedy, I guess they are hoping your football comment is correct.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/08/15 09:17 PM

Lets not forget about Pleasantville and briarcliff, that could be a great border game. When will section 1 release their schedules
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/08/15 11:19 PM

Wappingers has a solid team but the 2017 season is where they will shine and then after that it gets ugly for a few years. WWYL has been run by some dads with no lax experience to speak of. Kuczma is a very good defensive coach so they will usually be in games but offensively his talent is subpar. Arlington has always been the jewel of Dutchess County and until Wappingers beats them!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/09/15 01:31 PM

2016 Sec 1:
Town - very good D and in the net, offense has to emerge from new faces
Bville - lost star power but has depth, needs dodgers to emerge
Fox Lane - on paper talent looks good, game is played on field, time will tell
Pville - returning champs had sophs and frosh playing last year, should compete
JJ - Defense looks good, need more offensive options
Mamo - O talent is there for another run in A, lost Fogo, needs better goalie play
Rye - lots of young talent, might be a year away from scaring Town
Bcliff - took a big step last year, could give a Pville or Bville a game
Pac - returns top 2 offensive players, needs to reload on D
North Rockland & White Plains - offense returns, but have to shore up D to beat good teams
Pelham - some very good players, is there depth to beat top programs?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/09/15 11:04 PM

Mamaroneck lost Malas an All-American who is now at Bucknell. Very hard to replace the best finisher on the team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/10/15 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wappingers has a solid team but the 2017 season is where they will shine and then after that it gets ugly for a few years. WWYL has been run by some dads with no lax experience to speak of. Kuczma is a very good defensive coach so they will usually be in games but offensively his talent is subpar. Arlington has always been the jewel of Dutchess County and until Wappingers beats them!!!!
Kuczma has been coaching the boys in WWYL for the last few years and he keeps involved in the organization.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 12/10/15 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wappingers has a solid team but the 2017 season is where they will shine and then after that it gets ugly for a few years. WWYL has been run by some dads with no lax experience to speak of. Kuczma is a very good defensive coach so they will usually be in games but offensively his talent is subpar. Arlington has always been the jewel of Dutchess County and until Wappingers beats them!!!!
Kuczma has been coaching the boys in WWYL for the last few years and he keeps involved in the organization.
and here I thought TP was the talk of lax in Dutchess
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/10/15 04:35 AM

Mamo brings back 2 leading scorers from playoffs, both playing at next level. D is solid but must replace FOGO and tighten up in the cage.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/10/15 03:32 PM

Harrison was one goal away from the Class B Sect 1 finals last year. They lost their goalie and a defender but have a ton coming back. They have beaten arch-rival Rye last two years (who would have thought Harrison beating Rye in lacrosse and continuing to get crushed in football). Don't have the broad talent of Town or JJ or Fox Lane but should be in the mix for Class B.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/10/15 08:23 PM

you cant compare TP to section 1 public schools. They are on another level. Similar to Brunswick cmpared to Darien, NC, Grennwich.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/11/15 05:36 PM

Their goalie was a key reason for last season's success. Very solid keeper play.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/11/15 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
you cant compare TP to section 1 public schools. They are on another level. Similar to Brunswick cmpared to Darien, NC, Grennwich.


I am just curious is the Wappingers team a blend of the 2 high schools RCK and JJ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/11/15 11:52 PM

Yes RCK & JJEF just like Lakeland/Panas, same school district. Good news the best player from last season just came back to Wappingers from TP. Maybe they have a chance of being real good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/12/15 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes RCK & JJEF just like Lakeland/Panas, same school district. Good news the best player from last season just came back to Wappingers from TP. Maybe they have a chance of being real good.


Such a crock joining the school. For shame especially Lakeland Panas. Kids loose
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/14/15 11:12 PM

Congrats to the 9th grader from North Rockland who just committed to Maryland.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/15/15 03:22 PM

Oh Boy another hater, get a life and be happy fo r b people.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/15/15 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to the 9th grader from North Rockland who just committed to Maryland!


And thanks to those parents for allowing a freshman (what is that, 15 years old) to make a huge decision long before he is really capable of doing so. Or should I say that it was great of those parents to do the right thing for their son and make that decision for him. This is not Yale so little incentive left to actually learn something in school since the only thing that will stop him from getting to Maryland is 1) failing out; and 2) jail. Yup, he can go to college and maybe graduate and have an education in only one thing, lacrosse.. You have to dream.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/16/15 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to the 9th grader from North Rockland who just committed to Maryland.


And thanks to those parents for allowing a freshman (what is that, 15 years old) to make a huge decision long before he is really capable of doing so. Or should I say that it was great of those parents to do the right thing for their son and make that decision for him. This is not Yale so little incentive left to actually learn something in school since the only thing that will stop him from getting to Maryland is 1) failing out; and 2) jail. Yup, he can go to college and maybe graduate and have an education in only one thing, lacrosse. You have to dream.


Listen I am no lover of PT, I didn't see any d1 players on their 2019 team this fall. That said why bash a family and student whose choice is theirs not yours. I can't believe all of these people who say that a 14 year is not ready.

Think back when you were 14 did you know of any friends classmates driven to Go to a particular school. I know I did. I also know 2019's (true ones that are 14 yo) who have HS experience, have the academic drive, focus and yes a cache of schools they are targeting.

Once again, DAMN, it is their decision not yours. Stop trying to control other people's decisions. They must all make the best of where they go.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/16/15 03:33 AM

Your an [lacrosse]. The lacrosse network is gigantic. Good student athletes who are smart enough to network can achieve way more in life than the average bookworm who goes to to an Ivy League school for academics alone
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/16/15 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to the 9th grader from North Rockland who just committed to Maryland..


And thanks to those parents for allowing a freshman (what is that, 15 years old) to make a huge decision long before he is really capable of doing so. Or should I say that it was great of those parents to do the right thing for their son and make that decision for him. This is not Yale so little incentive left to actually learn something in school since the only thing that will stop him from getting to Maryland is 1) failing out; and 2) jail. Yup, he can go to college and maybe graduate and have an education in only one thing, lacrosse. You have to dream.


Listen I am no lover of PT, I didn't see any d1 players on their 2019 team this fall. That said why bash a family and student whose choice is theirs not yours. I can't believe all of these people who say that a 14 year is not ready.

Think back when you were 14 did you know of any friends classmates driven to Go to a particular school. I know I did. I also know 2019's (true ones that are 14 yo) who have HS experience, have the academic drive, focus and yes a cache of schools they are targeting.

Once again, DAMN, it is their decision not yours. Stop trying to control other people's decisions. They must all make the best of where they go.


Not trying to control anyone. Free will baby. But that's the parents will, not the kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/16/15 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to the 9th grader from North Rockland who just committed to Maryland. I want to know who is better than Deleted No One!!!


I'm sure that family is very pleased for good reason. Congratulations to them.

The negative reactions come as a result of the shill for Deleted Buy an ad next time. enthusiasm is one thing, shilling is another. The above post is a shill, plain and simple and this type of post is likely to get a negative reaction no matter who the subject team/director might be.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/26/15 03:04 PM

Superstar, Express North, Chargers all of have kids going to some of the best programs in the country- Hopkins Syracuse, Maryland etc.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/26/15 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Superstar, Express North, Chargers all of have kids going to some of the best programs in the country- Hopkins Syracuse, Maryland etc.


None of these programs compare to a program like Sweetlax. Even combined they don't match Sweetlax, maybe that's an indictment of Westchester lacrosse more than the club programs abilities to place kids.

Is anyone developing players anymore or is it all about getting them seen?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 12/28/15 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is anyone developing players anymore or is it all about getting them seen?


3d is very strong in development of players, IMO.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 01/03/16 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Superstar, Express North, Chargers all of have kids going to some of the best programs in the country- Hopkins Syracuse, Maryland etc.


None of these programs compare to a program like Sweetlax. Even combined they don't match Sweetlax, maybe that's an indictment of Westchester lacrosse more than the club programs abilities to place kids.

Is anyone developing players anymore or is it all about getting them seen?


Short answer...NO. Club programs teach split dodge, shoot for middies and attack is same. Get hands free and shoot--they don't teach how to play the game. They teach how to be seen in a prospect day environment, IMO, not one in the same.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 01/05/16 12:57 PM

question for all the youth town lacrosse people in Westchester- how much does it cost to play in your town and how many games are you playing - is your town holding winter leagues, clinics etc
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 01/07/16 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Superstar, Express North, Chargers all of have kids going to some of the best programs in the country- Hopkins Syracuse, Maryland etc.


None of these programs compare to a program like Sweetlax. Even combined they don't match Sweetlax, maybe that's an indictment of Westchester lacrosse more than the club programs abilities to place kids.

Is anyone developing players anymore or is it all about getting them seen?


Short answer...NO. Club programs teach split dodge, shoot for middies and attack is same. Get hands free and shoot--they don't teach how to play the game. They teach how to be seen in a prospect day environment, IMO, not one in the same.


Sweet Lax has some good teams and some great players, donít get me wrong, but consider that they draw from a much wider and more populated area than Westchester. Also, there are far fewer teams with whom they compete for kids. Who exactly does Sweet Lax have to compete with in Upstate NY? There are at least four or five good teams in Westchester that compete for the same top players. Sweet Lax also has kids from Long Island and Connecticut. Sweet Lax is a very different animal than the Westchester clubs and really canít be compared to them.

Based upon an IL Recruiting Invitational Spotlight article Sweet Lax has committed kids from the following towns: Niskayuna, Victor, Pittsford, Corning, Fairport, Penn Yan, Canandaigua, Wayne, Webster and Binghamton. These towns come from counties with a total population of 2.29 million (2012). Westchester has a population of only 991,670 (2012) so of course Sweet Lax has more commits. Itís just a numbers game. But thatís not all. Donít forget that several of their committed players come from outside Upstate New [lacrosse]. They have kids from Smithtown (NY), Manhasset (NY), Salisbury School (CT), Syosset (NY) and Walt Whitman (NY). When you draw from such a large area, itís nothing to brag about.

My son has played for a Westchester based team for the last several years and itís been all about skill development and team play, not just how to show off at showcases. With essentially the same players his team went from a good B team three years ago to a solid A team last year. We couldnít be happier with the team and coaching. They are always teaching the boys how to play a better team game. So yes, there are programs out there that teach kids how to play the right way. The lack of commitments is not always a good indicator of that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 01/07/16 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Superstar, Express North, Chargers all of have kids going to some of the best programs in the country- Hopkins Syracuse, Maryland etc.


None of these programs compare to a program like Sweetlax. Even combined they don't match Sweetlax, maybe that's an indictment of Westchester lacrosse more than the club programs abilities to place kids.

Is anyone developing players anymore or is it all about getting them seen?


Short answer...NO. Club programs teach split dodge, shoot for middies and attack is same. Get hands free and shoot--they don't teach how to play the game. They teach how to be seen in a prospect day environment, IMO, not one in the same.


Sweet Lax has some good teams and some great players, donít get me wrong, but consider that they draw from a much wider and more populated area than Westchester. Also, there are far fewer teams with whom they compete for kids. Who exactly does Sweet Lax have to compete with in Upstate NY? There are at least four or five good teams in Westchester that compete for the same top players. Sweet Lax also has kids from Long Island and Connecticut. Sweet Lax is a very different animal than the Westchester clubs and really canít be compared to them.

Based upon an IL Recruiting Invitational Spotlight article Sweet Lax has committed kids from the following towns: Niskayuna, Victor, Pittsford, Corning, Fairport, Penn Yan, Canandaigua, Wayne, Webster and Binghamton. These towns come from counties with a total population of 2.29 million (2012). Westchester has a population of only 991,670 (2012) so of course Sweet Lax has more commits. Itís just a numbers game. But thatís not all. Donít forget that several of their committed players come from outside Upstate New [lacrosse]. They have kids from Smithtown (NY), Manhasset (NY), Salisbury School (CT), Syosset (NY) and Walt Whitman (NY). When you draw from such a large area, itís nothing to brag about.

My son has played for a Westchester based team for the last several years and itís been all about skill development and team play, not just how to show off at showcases. With essentially the same players his team went from a good B team three years ago to a solid A team last year. We couldnít be happier with the team and coaching. They are always teaching the boys how to play a better team game. So yes, there are programs out there that teach kids how to play the right way. The lack of commitments is not always a good indicator of that.


Express North 2019 beat the loaded Sweetlax team this Fall. FWIW.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/02/16 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Superstar, Express North, Chargers all of have kids going to some of the best programs in the country- Hopkins Syracuse, Maryland etc.


None of these programs compare to a program like Sweetlax. Even combined they don't match Sweetlax, maybe that's an indictment of Westchester lacrosse more than the club programs abilities to place kids.

Is anyone developing players anymore or is it all about getting them seen?


Short answer...NO. Club programs teach split dodge, shoot for middies and attack is same. Get hands free and shoot--they don't teach how to play the game. They teach how to be seen in a prospect day environment, IMO, not one in the same.


Sweet Lax has some good teams and some great players, donít get me wrong, but consider that they draw from a much wider and more populated area than Westchester. Also, there are far fewer teams with whom they compete for kids. Who exactly does Sweet Lax have to compete with in Upstate NY? There are at least four or five good teams in Westchester that compete for the same top players. Sweet Lax also has kids from Long Island and Connecticut. Sweet Lax is a very different animal than the Westchester clubs and really canít be compared to them.

Based upon an IL Recruiting Invitational Spotlight article Sweet Lax has committed kids from the following towns: Niskayuna, Victor, Pittsford, Corning, Fairport, Penn Yan, Canandaigua, Wayne, Webster and Binghamton. These towns come from counties with a total population of 2.29 million (2012). Westchester has a population of only 991,670 (2012) so of course Sweet Lax has more commits. Itís just a numbers game. But thatís not all. Donít forget that several of their committed players come from outside Upstate New [lacrosse]. They have kids from Smithtown (NY), Manhasset (NY), Salisbury School (CT), Syosset (NY) and Walt Whitman (NY). When you draw from such a large area, itís nothing to brag about.

My son has played for a Westchester based team for the last several years and itís been all about skill development and team play, not just how to show off at showcases. With essentially the same players his team went from a good B team three years ago to a solid A team last year. We couldnít be happier with the team and coaching. They are always teaching the boys how to play a better team game. So yes, there are programs out there that teach kids how to play the right way. The lack of commitments is not always a good indicator of that.


Express North 2019 beat the loaded Sweetlax team this Fall. FWIW.


Check the only scorecard that counts. Primetime 2019 has more committed players than Express North 2019!! How could that be if Express North is beating the top teams in the country? Inept program management? Lack of connections in the lacrosse community? Sweetlax has almost the entire starting roster committed and Express North has, I believe, only one kid committed? Pathetic. If Express North is so good, why hasn't the lacrosse coaches been knocking on their door?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/02/16 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Superstar, Express North, Chargers all of have kids going to some of the best programs in the country- Hopkins Syracuse, Maryland etc.


None of these programs compare to a program like Sweetlax. Even combined they don't match Sweetlax, maybe that's an indictment of Westchester lacrosse more than the club programs abilities to place kids.

Is anyone developing players anymore or is it all about getting them seen?


Short answer...NO. Club programs teach split dodge, shoot for middies and attack is same. Get hands free and shoot--they don't teach how to play the game. They teach how to be seen in a prospect day environment, IMO, not one in the same.


Sweet Lax has some good teams and some great players, donít get me wrong, but consider that they draw from a much wider and more populated area than Westchester. Also, there are far fewer teams with whom they compete for kids. Who exactly does Sweet Lax have to compete with in Upstate NY? There are at least four or five good teams in Westchester that compete for the same top players. Sweet Lax also has kids from Long Island and Connecticut. Sweet Lax is a very different animal than the Westchester clubs and really canít be compared to them.

Based upon an IL Recruiting Invitational Spotlight article Sweet Lax has committed kids from the following towns: Niskayuna, Victor, Pittsford, Corning, Fairport, Penn Yan, Canandaigua, Wayne, Webster and Binghamton. These towns come from counties with a total population of 2.29 million (2012). Westchester has a population of only 991,670 (2012) so of course Sweet Lax has more commits. Itís just a numbers game. But thatís not all. Donít forget that several of their committed players come from outside Upstate New [lacrosse]. They have kids from Smithtown (NY), Manhasset (NY), Salisbury School (CT), Syosset (NY) and Walt Whitman (NY). When you draw from such a large area, itís nothing to brag about.

My son has played for a Westchester based team for the last several years and itís been all about skill development and team play, not just how to show off at showcases. With essentially the same players his team went from a good B team three years ago to a solid A team last year. We couldnít be happier with the team and coaching. They are always teaching the boys how to play a better team game. So yes, there are programs out there that teach kids how to play the right way. The lack of commitments is not always a good indicator of that.


Express North 2019 beat the loaded Sweetlax team this Fall. FWIW.


Check the only scorecard that counts. Primetime 2019 has more committed players than Express North 2019!! How could that be if Express North is beating the top teams in the country? Inept program management? Lack of connections in the lacrosse community? Sweetlax has almost the entire starting roster committed and Express North has, I believe, only one kid committed? Pathetic. If Express North is so good, why hasn't the lacrosse coaches been knocking on their door?


It is great many have verbaled. But it is not the end game. Let's wait and see who actually plays at the next level and where. I get it, you say your connections may be superior, and it seems they are, but will that just be a let down for the kids when they go through hs and finally in college. Or will prime time gain traction if north proves to be one and done

Curious who did prime time beat and lose to this fall. Were the commits present at all events?
.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/02/16 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Superstar, Express North, Chargers all of have kids going to some of the best programs in the country- Hopkins Syracuse, Maryland etc.


None of these programs compare to a program like Sweetlax. Even combined they don't match Sweetlax, maybe that's an indictment of Westchester lacrosse more than the club programs abilities to place kids.

Is anyone developing players anymore or is it all about getting them seen?


Short answer...NO. Club programs teach split dodge, shoot for middies and attack is same. Get hands free and shoot--they don't teach how to play the game. They teach how to be seen in a prospect day environment, IMO, not one in the same.


Sweet Lax has some good teams and some great players, donít get me wrong, but consider that they draw from a much wider and more populated area than Westchester. Also, there are far fewer teams with whom they compete for kids. Who exactly does Sweet Lax have to compete with in Upstate NY? There are at least four or five good teams in Westchester that compete for the same top players. Sweet Lax also has kids from Long Island and Connecticut. Sweet Lax is a very different animal than the Westchester clubs and really canít be compared to them.

Based upon an IL Recruiting Invitational Spotlight article Sweet Lax has committed kids from the following towns: Niskayuna, Victor, Pittsford, Corning, Fairport, Penn Yan, Canandaigua, Wayne, Webster and Binghamton. These towns come from counties with a total population of 2.29 million (2012). Westchester has a population of only 991,670 (2012) so of course Sweet Lax has more commits. Itís just a numbers game. But thatís not all. Donít forget that several of their committed players come from outside Upstate New [lacrosse]. They have kids from Smithtown (NY), Manhasset (NY), Salisbury School (CT), Syosset (NY) and Walt Whitman (NY). When you draw from such a large area, itís nothing to brag about.

My son has played for a Westchester based team for the last several years and itís been all about skill development and team play, not just how to show off at showcases. With essentially the same players his team went from a good B team three years ago to a solid A team last year. We couldnít be happier with the team and coaching. They are always teaching the boys how to play a better team game. So yes, there are programs out there that teach kids how to play the right way. The lack of commitments is not always a good indicator of that.


Express North 2019 beat the loaded Sweetlax team this Fall. FWIW.


Check the only scorecard that counts. Primetime 2019 has more committed players than Express North 2019!! How could that be if Express North is beating the top teams in the country? Inept program management? Lack of connections in the lacrosse community? Sweetlax has almost the entire starting roster committed and Express North has, I believe, only one kid committed? Pathetic. If Express North is so good, why hasn't the lacrosse coaches been knocking on their door?


The game is only over if you were hellbent on having your kid goto Maryland or Hop. (BTW, Maryland has 6 middies already in THIS class - do you not understand how hard it is going to be to get time, ever?)

Call me in 2 years - when most of the dust settles - and the IVY kids are almost done, etc.

Then, and only then, can you call scoreboard. To say North < PT after one semester of freshman year is a bit much.


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/03/16 01:53 PM

it looks like PT 2019 and express north 2019 each have one recruit - am I missing something
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/04/16 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
it looks like PT 2019 and express north 2019 each have one recruit - am I missing something


I think PT 2019 has 2 which if my math is right is 1 more than Express North 2019, inept management for Express or a difference of 1.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/04/16 03:14 PM

i see 1 pt to Maryland, 1 express north to Michigan where is the other PT commit going
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/04/16 05:10 PM

PT2019 goalie going to Air Force
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/04/16 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
PT2019 goalie going to Air Force


Congrats on the verbal what HS will he be playing for.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/04/16 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
it looks like PT 2019 and express north 2019 each have one recruit - am I missing something


I think PT 2019 has 2 which if my math is right is 1 more than Express North 2019, inept management for Express or a difference of 1.


Again, you are trying to call the game in the third inning.
How many stud players, that everyone knows if you play vs them in tourneys all the time, do Team 91, Express LI, North etc have? A whole bunch. Do you honestly think these kids dont have multiple offers, are mostly done, or in some cases are in fact done but have not been announced?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/04/16 11:13 PM

Absolutely right why rush to commit when you have several good offers. If you commit in 9th grade that's great but the more prudent thing is to take your time and make the best choice you can. Express North & Primetime are both good organizations and glad to see them having success.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/05/16 01:40 AM

Wilton
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/05/16 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wilton
. Wow Wilton has a few 2019 players huh.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/08/16 01:14 PM

They have looked good in winter ball.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/15/16 01:53 PM

When do tryouts begin for most Varsity programs? I see many teams have scrimmages in 2 or 3 weeks, I would think the teams need to be chosen well before those games.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/15/16 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
When do tryouts begin for most Varsity programs? I see many teams have scrimmages in 2 or 3 weeks, I would think the teams need to be chosen well before those games.


I don't think coaches can officially do anything until after March 7th when the season officially starts. That doesn't mean they don't have a good idea from last year and winter practices who will be on varsity. I would imagine some of the deeper teams may use scrimmages to determine who is on varsity. Looking forward to a good season! Its getting closer!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/16/16 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When do tryouts begin for most Varsity programs? I see many teams have scrimmages in 2 or 3 weeks, I would think the teams need to be chosen well before those games.


I don't think coaches can officially do anything until after March 7th when the season officially starts. That doesn't mean they don't have a good idea from last year and winter practices who will be on varsity. I would imagine some of the deeper teams may use scrimmages to determine who is on varsity. Looking forward to a good season! Its getting closer!


Each year Westchester lacrosse takes another step towards parity like on LI where 6-7 teams have a legitimate chance to win the section. I think this year we will see more teams than ever competing for the title. Its great for the game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/23/16 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When do tryouts begin for most Varsity programs? I see many teams have scrimmages in 2 or 3 weeks, I would think the teams need to be chosen well before those games.


I don't think coaches can officially do anything until after March 7th when the season officially starts. That doesn't mean they don't have a good idea from last year and winter practices who will be on varsity. I would imagine some of the deeper teams may use scrimmages to determine who is on varsity. Looking forward to a good season! Its getting closer!


Each year Westchester lacrosse takes another step towards parity like on LI where 6-7 teams have a legitimate chance to win the section. I think this year we will see more teams than ever competing for the title. Its great for the game.


But how long before they are on par across the board with LI. Yes Yorktown is on the crest of the wave right now, but what about the rest. Is the great white northern suburb improving at a higher rate than their southern suburban cousins?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/23/16 02:45 PM

Favorites in each section title:
A; Mamo, Fox and Pac
B; Town and maybe JJ
C; Bville or Pville
.
7 or 8 teams competing for 3 section titles; not much parity really but next level is getting more talent; Rye & Pelham in B, Briarcliff in C, and maybe White Plains & North Rockland in A.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/23/16 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Favorites in each section title:
A; Mamo, Fox and Pac
B; Town and maybe JJ
C; Bville or Pville
.
7 or 8 teams competing for 3 section titles; not much parity really but next level is getting more talent; Rye & Pelham in B, Briarcliff in C, and maybe White Plains & North Rockland in A.


John Jay will be a very formidable opponent for Yorktown this year. JJ was young last year and Ytown graduated a lot of very talented players. Should be a great match up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/23/16 08:53 PM

Agree

But we have heard that tune before. JJ Gotta go out and prove it!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/23/16 09:27 PM

JJ strong on back line and in net. both teams lost offensive firepower so may see a couple of low scoring slugfests.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/24/16 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree

But we have heard that tune before. JJ Gotta go out and prove it!


We've also heard the tune "Yorktown will have a down year" But they have the best youth program in the area and they reload without missing a beat. A few years a go they lost to Nisky with a team full of All Americans, then won the NYS title when everyone said..."Yorktown will be weak". Until someone knocks them off, Marr will keep reloading and I will give them the respect they are due. We keep hearing they will be unable to score, expect to see some youngsters step up and fill the void. I've watched them do it for 15 years. Looking forward to the JJ battle but others are in the hunt as well.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/24/16 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree

But we have heard that tune before. JJ Gotta go out and prove it!


We've also heard the tune "Yorktown will have a down year" But they have the best youth program in the area and they reload without missing a beat. A few years a go they lost to Nisky with a team full of All Americans, then won the NYS title when everyone said..."Yorktown will be weak". Until someone knocks them off, Marr will keep reloading and I will give them the respect they are due. We keep hearing they will be unable to score, expect to see some youngsters step up and fill the void. I've watched them do it for 15 years. Looking forward to the JJ battle but others are in the hunt as well.
Just curious, how does Yorktown operate their youth program? My son is a 2020 and we never see them. (ie. CONNY, where we see RYE, JJ, Bronxville, top Ct. teams etc.) Are they just 'in-house' or travel elsewhere?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/25/16 01:42 AM

When you look for a website for Yorktown youth lacrosse, you can't really find anything. Does one exist? If you look for a CONNY town program, they are easy to find and you can see all the other towns they have played in past years, etc.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/25/16 08:32 PM

[quote=Anonymous]When you look for a website for Yorktown youth lacrosse, you can't really find anything. Does one exist? If you look for a CONNY town program, they are easy to find and you can see all the other towns they have played in past years, etc.

Yorktown youth lacrosse is run under the Yorktown Athletic Club umbrella. Combination of in house and travel. We are a few towns away and emulated the structure, but you need the dedicated knowledgeable coaches to teach the game correctly.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/25/16 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
When you look for a website for Yorktown youth lacrosse, you can't really find anything. Does one exist? If you look for a CONNY town program, they are easy to find and you can see all the other towns they have played in past years, etc.



If you google "Yorktown youth lacrosse" its the first hit that comes up. Why was it so hard for you to find?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/25/16 11:37 PM

Yorktown Youth lacrosse town teams play in the Hudson Valley league with teams from Westchester that do not play in CONNY and they also play town teams from Putnam and Dutchess who are also in the Hudson Valley league.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/28/16 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown Youth lacrosse town teams play in the Hudson Valley league with teams from Westchester that do not play in CONNY and they also play town teams from Putnam and Dutchess who are also in the Hudson Valley league.


Yorktown youth travel teams also play against 3-4 CONNY teams each season.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/29/16 04:04 PM

I am hearing but do not know the story that Tom Palasek, MLL lizards attackman had a falling out with Roy Colsey and no longer works at the lax academy. that is unfortunate as Tommy was great with the kids and brought a level of instruction and patience I have yet to see. I do not know Roy, but he seems super abrasive and cocky and its no wonder the Super star teams can not compete with Primetime, Express North etc... does anyone know the story?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/29/16 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am hearing but do not know the story that Tom Palasek, MLL lizards attackman had a falling out with Roy Colsey and no longer works at the lax academy. that is unfortunate as Tommy was great with the kids and brought a level of instruction and patience I have yet to see. I do not know Roy, but he seems super abrasive and cocky and its no wonder the Super star teams can not compete with Primetime, Express North etc... does anyone know the story?


Roy is cocky and will talk to you when he has time for you!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/29/16 05:22 PM

control freak!!! sad really. how could anyone want their child to be associated with that, I don't care how good he was in the old days
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 02/29/16 06:59 PM

will Yorktown have any freshman pulled up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/01/16 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am hearing but do not know the story that Tom Palasek, MLL lizards attackman had a falling out with Roy Colsey and no longer works at the lax academy. that is unfortunate as Tommy was great with the kids and brought a level of instruction and patience I have yet to see. I do not know Roy, but he seems super abrasive and cocky and its no wonder the Super star teams can not compete with Primetime, Express North etc... does anyone know the story?


Roy is cocky and will talk to you when he has time for you!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am hearing but do not know the story that Tom Palasek, MLL lizards attackman had a falling out with Roy Colsey and no longer works at the lax academy. that is unfortunate as Tommy was great with the kids and brought a level of instruction and patience I have yet to see. I do not know Roy, but he seems super abrasive and cocky and its no wonder the Super star teams can not compete with Primetime, Express North etc... does anyone know the story?


Roy is cocky and will talk to you when he has time for you!!!


It's his way or the highway and unfortunately for him most of the good players on superstars took the highway to other teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/01/16 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
will Yorktown have any freshman pulled up.


We'll find out after tryouts, you just never know. If I were forced to guess, I would say 2 Freshman will make Ytown varsity.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/01/16 12:53 AM

2 maybe 3
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/01/16 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am hearing but do not know the story that Tom Palasek, MLL lizards attackman had a falling out with Roy Colsey and no longer works at the lax academy. that is unfortunate as Tommy was great with the kids and brought a level of instruction and patience I have yet to see. I do not know Roy, but he seems super abrasive and cocky and its no wonder the Super star teams can not compete with Primetime, Express North etc... does anyone know the story?


Roy is cocky and will talk to you when he has time for you!!!


He will talk to you when he needs something. Love the passion, not the execution.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/01/16 02:06 PM

really just a super abrasive man- no wonder people run for the door
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/02/16 05:34 PM

When do Varsity tryouts start in Westchester?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/02/16 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
When do Varsity tryouts start in Westchester?


Isnt it a NY State rule about 3/7/16 being the first day for Public schools?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 03/03/16 02:48 PM

I graduated the same yr as Roy - played against him in high school and in college - was considering multiple schools but decided to go the Ivy route - I realize the recruiting landscape those days are completely different from today but agree 100% on what Roy wrote. Hard work and dedication is important - for me, the only thing I would add is passion - there comes a time that when a kid wants to get better, he has to do this on his own - can't keep having a parent push him - he has to love the game and want to get better...someone told me years ago this generally starts to happen in middle school (which is when recruiting is starting up today)...crazy that I am starting to see this with my older boy who is in 7th today...I have 4 younger boys below him
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 03/03/16 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When do Varsity tryouts start in Westchester?


Isnt it a NY State rule about 3/7/16 being the first day for Public schools?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When do Varsity tryouts start in Westchester?


Isnt it a NY State rule about 3/7/16 being the first day for Public schools?
Yes, for all spring sports. But most schools have had 'optional open gyms'for lax, baseball, & softball since Jan. 1. Pretty sure coaches are mentally keeping notes before the actual try-outs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/04/16 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree

But we have heard that tune before. JJ Gotta go out and prove it!


We've also heard the tune "Yorktown will have a down year" But they have the best youth program in the area and they reload without missing a beat. A few years a go they lost to Nisky with a team full of All Americans, then won the NYS title when everyone said..."Yorktown will be weak". Until someone knocks them off, Marr will keep reloading and I will give them the respect they are due. We keep hearing they will be unable to score, expect to see some youngsters step up and fill the void. I've watched them do it for 15 years. Looking forward to the JJ battle but others are in the hunt as well.


The Ytown youth program is stellar. The key is the dedication of the people who run it. A lot of time needs to be invested and in Yorktown every kid has many opportunities to learn the game from experienced lax people. The guy running the show is a gem.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/07/16 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When do tryouts begin for most Varsity programs? I see many teams have scrimmages in 2 or 3 weeks, I would think the teams need to be chosen well before those games.


I don't think coaches can officially do anything until after March 7th when the season officially starts. That doesn't mean they don't have a good idea from last year and winter practices who will be on varsity. I would imagine some of the deeper teams may use scrimmages to determine who is on varsity. Looking forward to a good season! Its getting closer!


Tryouts start today, but 95% of the roster is already chosen. There may be a few bubble kids that need to fight for a spot on the team. Good luck and safe season to all players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/07/16 05:24 PM

any changes in Bronxville?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 03/08/16 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I graduated the same yr as Roy - played against him in high school and in college - was considering multiple schools but decided to go the Ivy route - I realize the recruiting landscape those days are completely different from today but agree 100% on what Roy wrote. Hard work and dedication is important - for me, the only thing I would add is passion - there comes a time that when a kid wants to get better, he has to do this on his own - can't keep having a parent push him - he has to love the game and want to get better...someone told me years ago this generally starts to happen in middle school (which is when recruiting is starting up today)...crazy that I am starting to see this with my older boy who is in 7th today...I have 4 younger boys below him


I have 3 boys and 1 girl, my daughter is a Freshman playing D1, my oldest son is being recruited as a HS Freshman and I can tell you the recruiting landscape has changed in just the last 3-4 years and it really needs to be throttled back. My oldest son hasn't played varsity yet but he should be able to decide his future? We are being told to just commit to a school and you can change your mind later. What is that teaching our kids? We told the last two coaches he will not make a decision until after summer season at the earliest. We do not want the pressure of college recruiting to ruin his HS experience.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/10/16 01:44 PM

Lost 2 All Americans including Sec 1 All Time leading scorer, a lock down D1 defensemen, most of their scoring save for 1 Jr Mid (UNC) and also lost another Jr D1 Pole to privates.

Very good FOGO, strong in net and good LSM will keep them in games and have a couple of mids but green on attack and D poles.

time will tell...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/10/16 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lost 2 All Americans including Sec 1 All Time leading scorer, a lock down D1 defensemen, most of their scoring save for 1 Jr Mid (UNC) and also lost another Jr D1 Pole to privates.

Very good FOGO, strong in net and good LSM will keep them in games and have a couple of mids but green on attack and D poles.

time will tell...


Yorktown also lost a ton of talent from the offense to graduation. Bronxville and Ytown meet up later in the season so we'll see where they shake out. I still think this could be John Jay's year to knock off Ytown. Do tryouts end tomorrow?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/13/16 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lost 2 All Americans including Sec 1 All Time leading scorer, a lock down D1 defensemen, most of their scoring save for 1 Jr Mid (UNC) and also lost another Jr D1 Pole to privates.

Very good FOGO, strong in net and good LSM will keep them in games and have a couple of mids but green on attack and D poles.

time will tell...


Yorktown also lost a ton of talent from the offense to graduation. Bronxville and Ytown meet up later in the season so we'll see where they shake out. I still think this could be John Jay's year to knock off Ytown. Do tryouts end tomorrow?


Tryouts are done chief, the team is picked. I guess we'll see if JJ is prepared to take the title belt from the champs. Huskers will be ready for the challenge.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/16/16 03:02 PM

US Lacrosse adopting age based bracketing of youth leagues. How will we be able to verify the DOB of kids?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/16/16 04:35 PM

Upload a copy of the birth certificate right in your account on the US Lacrosse website. I did it yesterday for my son and got a confirmation email within a few hours. The email said the documentation has been approved and does not expire. It also said the documentation I submitted will be securely deleted.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
US Lacrosse adopting age based bracketing of youth leagues. How will we be able to verify the DOB of kids?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/17/16 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Upload a copy of the birth certificate right in your account on the US Lacrosse website. I did it yesterday for my son and got a confirmation email within a few hours. The email said the documentation has been approved and does not expire. It also said the documentation I submitted will be securely deleted.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
US Lacrosse adopting age based bracketing of youth leagues. How will we be able to verify the DOB of kids?


I just renewed by sons subscription and was not asked to upload a birth certificate. Will this be required for Spring 2017?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/21/16 05:32 PM

Good luck to the Yorktown Husker team heading down to Maryland to play St. Mary's!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/22/16 01:23 PM

always good to see Westchester team do well out of County. Good luck Y town!

Scrimmage results were interesting over the weekend. Could see some competitive games with more parity this season.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/22/16 10:10 PM

First game of the season in HV. Arlington -12 Put.Valley -2. Tough times for PV without Kuczma.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/23/16 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
First game of the season in HV. Arlington -12 Put.Valley -2. Tough times for PV without Kuczma.


Starts with youth program... How long has Brian been out of Pv hs and youth. Give it time they will be back.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/23/16 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
always good to see Westchester team do well out of County. Good luck Y town!

Scrimmage results were interesting over the weekend. Could see some competitive games with more parity this season.


Is anyone streaming the Yorktown vs MD game?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/24/16 12:20 PM

Just my opinion here but have been playing with Roy and the SS program for a couple of years. He's been great and my kids have enjoyed playing there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 03/28/16 09:06 PM

Yorktown 2-0 versus out of state competition. Good showing boys.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/03/16 10:59 AM


Congrats to Primetime & Eclipse for making it to Denver in the WSYL. They both had good days at the Regionals.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/03/16 12:00 PM

Darien 12 Yorktown 3. WOW!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/03/16 12:48 PM

They must be taking more than 4 teams from the North if Primetime is going to the WSYL. They were third in their bracket and Eclipse was second in the other bracket.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/03/16 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
They must be taking more than 4 teams from the North if Primetime is going to the WSYL. They were third in their bracket and Eclipse was second in the other bracket.
More teams more money.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/04/16 12:03 PM

Town has a great D but thin in middle and inexperienced at Attack. They will be fine in Sec 1 but could not run with the athletes from the Blue Wave.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/04/16 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Primetime & Eclipse for making it to Denver in the WSYL. They both had good days at the Regionals.


primetime doesn't belong. they got beat up pretty good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/04/16 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Primetime & Eclipse for making it to Denver in the WSYL. They both had good days at the Regionals.


primetime doesn't belong. they got beat up pretty good.
They only had a few indoor practices, and at least they showed up with only their 2021 team as opposed to a couple of LI teams bringing 2020 age eligible players. An early spring qualifer really only benefits the so called 360 teams. I'm not saying they 'belong' with '91, Legacy or Black Ice, but congratulations to the PT 7th graders who get to go to Denver.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/08/16 03:01 PM

Yorktown over a much weaker Bronxville team from 2015. Yorktown still having some offensive issues (finishing) but the off-ball movement was improved from other game I saw. Bronxville needs better flow to the O, Quick middies can cause slides, but the other kids need to get open before slide reaches dodging middie. Yorktown, the motion offense looked good and the defense was lights out.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/09/16 12:21 AM

AFter Darien, Bronxville's D must have been a sight for sore eyes. They pack it in a zone and rely on goalie, forcing off ball movement and good passing.
Mids can alley dodge but good sliding teams and double poling the mids will cause them problems. Attack cannot break down better Dmen, more of a cutter O.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/12/16 10:29 PM

PT had a much harder bracket than Eclipse. Eclipse was lucky to get 2nd place should of lost to a small Icon team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/13/16 03:40 PM

Yorktown vs John Jay Thursday is a big game. Two very young teams that are trying to find some flow on offense. Yorktown needs to minimize the turnovers and John Jay needs to control between the restraining boxes. Whoever scores the most unsettled goals will win.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/13/16 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
PT had a much harder bracket than Eclipse. Eclipse was lucky to get 2nd place should of lost to a small Icon team.


How is the 2020 Predator team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/14/16 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is the 2020 Predator team?


Solid.

Predators, PrimeTime, and 3d Tri-State 2020's are all evenly matched based on fall tourney play. Not much more than 2 goals separate any of them. All have strengths and weaknesses.

Express North and Eclipse are unknowns having either not played or played in weaker tourneys/brackets.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/14/16 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is the 2020 Predator team?


Solid.

Predators, PrimeTime, and 3d Tri-State 2020's are all evenly matched based on fall tourney play. Not much more than 2 goals separate any of them. All have strengths and weaknesses.

Express North and Eclipse are unknowns having either not played or played in weaker tourneys/brackets.


Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/15/16 01:30 PM

john jay imploded last night 3rd quarter up 5-1 - threw away their game plan , got cocky and Yorktown put 5 goals in the net 3rd quarter- have to blame the coaches for that one -
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/17/16 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
john jay imploded last night 3rd quarter up 5-1 - threw away their game plan , got cocky and Yorktown put 5 goals in the net 3rd quarter- have to blame the coaches for that one -


Neither team is going anywhere this year. Yorktown has no real offense, I'm really not sure what they run? JJ doesn't have a deep enough team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/18/16 11:51 AM

true that both teams have room for improvement.

having said that - odds are one will win the section and then be difficult to beat thereafter.
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Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/22/16 03:10 PM

Yorktown gave up a 3 goal lead over Ridgefield with 3 minutes to play. Three turnovers on odd calls doomed them. They need to clean up their play, finish around the goal and get something going on offense overall to go anywhere this season. Defense looked good but they seemed to be out of position at times and overall aggressive. Some slides were unnecessary. Goalie played great again. Young team, time to pick up overall play to contend.

Ridgefield has some crafty players with quick feet that can finish.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/23/16 11:40 PM

Chaminade made Yorktown look like Putnam Valley. Sloppy, bad decisions, trouble clearing. Some kids look lost on offense.

Maybe try something new on offense, what they run (?) doesn't seem to be working with this group.

Chaminade has 2-3 standouts, maybe. Shocking for a school that recruits kids form all over LI. Outstanding goalie.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/24/16 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Chaminade made Yorktown look like Putnam Valley. Sloppy, bad decisions, trouble clearing. Some kids look lost on offense.

Maybe try something new on offense, what they run (?) doesn't seem to be working with this group.

Chaminade has 2-3 standouts, maybe. Shocking for a school that recruits kids form all over LI. Outstanding goalie.


Thanks Goalie Dad!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/25/16 05:23 AM

Westchester lax is a mess. Can you really say who is good in A they play all B and C schools. Is this a power conference set up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/25/16 01:06 PM

Class A has never been the cream of the crop for section 1 (or Westchester) lacrosse. A, B and C are dictated soley by size of school. Some strong teams in Class A (Fox Lane, Lakeland Panas, Mamaroneck) and some very weak teams (New Rochelle, Clarkstown). Class B has always been the strongest (Yorktown, John Jay, Somers, Rye) and Class C has been very good recently (Bronxville and Pleasantville). Lots of parity in Westchester this year. Good to see some upsets and the better teams playing each other (regardless of size) and competing out of section. Should be fun Section 1 playoffs for all classes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 04/26/16 10:45 PM

play most of your games in your division (A,B,C). If you want to go out of the division you should play the better teams like Yorktown, JJ, Pleasantville, Somers, Fox Lane, L/P. It would be a shame if you make the playoffs after beating up on the weak sisters of each division. IE: Mahopac plays a very hard schedule and they have a losing record. A team from Dutchess County plays a much easier schedule and they are undefeated. Those teams play Thursday and if Pac wins what does that tell us. I don't know, it is a little strange that division foes have such different schedules.
"Just a thought"
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Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 05/02/16 02:44 PM

Scheduling out of conference is determined by the coach, so weak or strong is a choice.

Some big games this week including Yorktown vs Fox Lane tomorrow and the Charlie Murphy Cup Lakeland vs Yorktown on Saturday.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 05/06/16 07:00 PM

Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 05/06/16 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played?


both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 05/09/16 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played?


both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school)


Lakeland was exposed over the weekend. Yorktown may not have a dynamic offense but Lakeland is stunted. They have a dominant long stick FOGO (actually drops down to play D) that allows them to control the time of possession, eventually you will score. It was a very entertaining game charged with emotion. Yorktown goalie was rock solid again, using every part of his body to make saves. Defense was suffocating at times. My little guys have really grown to love watching them play.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 05/09/16 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played?


both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school)


I've never heard the two school combined motto.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 05/09/16 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played?


both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school)


I've never heard the two school combined motto.


whats the mascot Hornets or Panthers
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 05/09/16 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played?


both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school)


I've never heard the two school combined motto.


Rebels
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Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 05/09/16 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played?


both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school)


I've never heard the two school combined motto.


Rebels


I have never heard a rational explanation as to why they have a combined team. Its always been a thriving, winning program, and the youth program appears to be excellent and well attended. In hockey you have issues concerning access to ice time and costs that may cause a district to have a combined team even though interest may be there to have a team at each school (Clarkstown hockey is an example of this). But it doesn't make sense in lacrosse. All other combined teams in all sports seem to only exist when participation and competitiveness is poor. Why not have a Lakeland team and a Panas team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 05/09/16 03:06 PM

Yorktown may not be as good as some of their teams in the past but it unclear who in NY B is materially better this year. They are capable of making a long run into NYS playoffs.
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Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 05/09/16 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played?


both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school)


I've never heard the two school combined motto.


Rebels


I have never heard a rational explanation as to why they have a combined team. Its always been a thriving, winning program, and the youth program appears to be excellent and well attended. In hockey you have issues concerning access to ice time and costs that may cause a district to have a combined team even though interest may be there to have a team at each school (Clarkstown hockey is an example of this). But it doesn't make sense in lacrosse. All other combined teams in all sports seem to only exist when participation and competitiveness is poor. Why not have a Lakeland team and a Panas team.


wonder if there is a mandate to take kids from a certain amount of kids from one school over another. if talent states it should be 80/20 is it really 60/40. How many on each team v/jv?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 05/09/16 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown may not be as good as some of their teams in the past but it unclear who in NY B is materially better this year. They are capable of making a long run into NYS playoffs.
I have to agree. And playing a tough out of sectional schedule will only help them in the play-offs.
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Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 05/10/16 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown may not be as good as some of their teams in the past but it unclear who in NY B is materially better this year. They are capable of making a long run into NYS playoffs.
I have to agree. And playing a tough out of sectional schedule will only help them in the play-offs.


The main reason it is bull[lacrosse] that LI sections have to play each other to move on in the state playoff picture. A stronger team many times is at home while they should be given the opportunity to play deep into the states.

I guess if you aint first your last!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 05/17/16 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played?


both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school)


There is no combined team. There is Yorktown HS and Lakeland HS.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 05/18/16 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played?


both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school)


There is no combined team. There is Yorktown HS and Lakeland HS.


Of course there is a combined team. Lakeland Panas. It's a combination of Lakeland HS and Walter Panas HS. I have never heard a rational explanation as to why each HS can't have their own team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 05/18/16 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played?


both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school)


There is no combined team. There is Yorktown HS and Lakeland HS.


Of course there is a combined team. Lakeland Panas. It's a combination of Lakeland HS and Walter Panas HS. I have never heard a rational explanation as to why each HS can't have their own team.


Who cares?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 05/22/16 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played?


both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school)


I've never heard the two school combined motto.


Rebels


I have never heard a rational explanation as to why they have a combined team. Its always been a thriving, winning program, and the youth program appears to be excellent and well attended. In hockey you have issues concerning access to ice time and costs that may cause a district to have a combined team even though interest may be there to have a team at each school (Clarkstown hockey is an example of this). But it doesn't make sense in lacrosse. All other combined teams in all sports seem to only exist when participation and competitiveness is poor. Why not have a Lakeland team and a Panas team.


It is done at the option of each school. They elected to have a merged team years ago and have stuck with it. Having another good to very good team to compete against each year is not a bad thing for the other teams in Westchester.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 06/02/16 04:28 PM

Very nice evening of Westchester lacrosse. Yorktown, Pleasantville and Lakeland with good wins. Good luck this Saturday.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 06/02/16 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played?


both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school)


I've never heard the two school combined motto.


Rebels


I have never heard a rational explanation as to why they have a combined team. Its always been a thriving, winning program, and the youth program appears to be excellent and well attended. In hockey you have issues concerning access to ice time and costs that may cause a district to have a combined team even though interest may be there to have a team at each school (Clarkstown hockey is an example of this). But it doesn't make sense in lacrosse. All other combined teams in all sports seem to only exist when participation and competitiveness is poor. Why not have a Lakeland team and a Panas team.


It is done at the option of each school. They elected to have a merged team years ago and have stuck with it. Having another good to very good team to compete against each year is not a bad thing for the other teams in Westchester.


Not a bad thing for the other teams in Westchester, I would agree. Just a bad thing for the 40+ (including jv) boys who don't get to play HS lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 06/08/16 01:16 PM

Good luck to Yorktown and Pleasantville in today's NYS semi finals. Its been a great season for both teams, keep it going.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 06/09/16 07:54 PM

Great season for both Lakeland Panas and Pleasantville. At least our section didn't get swept by LI, great job Yorktown. Young team coming of age. Could be a 2-3 year dynasty in the making.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 06/09/16 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great season for both Lakeland Panas and Pleasantville. At least our section didn't get swept by LI, great job Yorktown. Young team coming of age. Could be a 2-3 year dynasty in the making.


Some would argue Yorktown is working on a 2-3 DECADE dynasty.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Lacrosse - 06/11/16 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great season for both Lakeland Panas and Pleasantville. At least our section didn't get swept by LI, great job Yorktown. Young team coming of age. Could be a 2-3 year dynasty in the making.


Some would argue Yorktown is working on a 2-3 DECADE dynasty.


Yorktown has won two state titles in the last 20+ years. Not a dynasty.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/13/16 10:33 PM

What happened to PT2020? 60 goals against and not competitive?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/14/16 11:37 AM

You can go further 2 wins by 2018, 2019 & 2020 combined. How the mighty have fallen.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/14/16 01:16 PM

And Express North 2019AA went 1-4. Not a great start to the summer for Westchester "elite" lacrosse teams. Heard Predators 2020 won a lower level fl$ tournament this weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/14/16 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can go further 2 wins by 2018, 2019 & 2020 combined. How the mighty have fallen.
I'm sorry, did any other Westchester teams do any better at Adrenaline ? Or maybe it's just the state of the actual talent coming out of Westchester these days
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/14/16 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to PT2020? 60 goals against and not competitive?
They didn't belong in the Adrenaline Cup, but despite embarrasing results the kids got to see what the top teams in the country look and play like. Although I'm guessing in your mind if your son was on the team it would have made all the difference in the world
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/14/16 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to PT2020? 60 goals against and not competitive?
They didn't belong in the Adrenaline Cup, but despite embarrasing results the kids got to see what the top teams in the country look and play like. Although I'm guessing in your mind if your son was on the team it would have made all the difference in the world


First tourney of the summer - relax. Surely many teams missing key kids as state playoffs still going on in the area. Primetime and Express North 2018s are both very good and have for a while. Both 2019 squads were competitive (PT way more so than last year) - North made the last two finals last summer. Let's just let the rest of the season play out.

One thing is for sure watching 18s and 19s - the best teams are still the best, but the group of top teams is more tightly bunched than ever.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/14/16 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to PT2020? 60 goals against and not competitive?
They didn't belong in the Adrenaline Cup, but despite embarrasing results the kids got to see what the top teams in the country look and play like. Although I'm guessing in your mind if your son was on the team it would have made all the difference in the world


First tourney of the summer - relax. Surely many teams missing key kids as state playoffs still going on in the area. Primetime and Express North 2018s are both very good and have for a while. Both 2019 squads were competitive (PT way more so than last year) - North made the last two finals last summer. Let's just let the rest of the season play out.

One thing is for sure watching 18s and 19s - the best teams are still the best, but the group of top teams is more tightly bunched than ever.


Does LI Express North have any players from Yorktown? I am assuming they do and they were in the NYS finals on Saturday. These kids probably haven't practiced together since last Fall. Relax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/14/16 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to PT2020? 60 goals against and not competitive?
They didn't belong in the Adrenaline Cup, but despite embarrasing results the kids got to see what the top teams in the country look and play like. Although I'm guessing in your mind if your son was on the team it would have made all the difference in the world


First tourney of the summer - relax. Surely many teams missing key kids as state playoffs still going on in the area. Primetime and Express North 2018s are both very good and have for a while. Both 2019 squads were competitive (PT way more so than last year) - North made the last two finals last summer. Let's just let the rest of the season play out.

One thing is for sure watching 18s and 19s - the best teams are still the best, but the group of top teams is more tightly bunched than ever.


Does LI Express North have any players from Yorktown? I am assuming they do and they were in the NYS finals on Saturday. These kids probably haven't practiced together since last Fall. Relax.


Yes more than a few Yorktown kids, but you knew that!

as far as PT, someone's comment was they were better than LY. Did they get any better from the fall?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/15/16 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to PT2020? 60 goals against and not competitive?
They didn't belong in the Adrenaline Cup, but despite embarrasing results the kids got to see what the top teams in the country look and play like. Although I'm guessing in your mind if your son was on the team it would have made all the difference in the world


First tourney of the summer - relax. Surely many teams missing key kids as state playoffs still going on in the area. Primetime and Express North 2018s are both very good and have for a while. Both 2019 squads were competitive (PT way more so than last year) - North made the last two finals last summer. Let's just let the rest of the season play out.

One thing is for sure watching 18s and 19s - the best teams are still the best, but the group of top teams is more tightly bunched than ever.


Does LI Express North have any players from Yorktown? I am assuming they do and they were in the NYS finals on Saturday. These kids probably haven't practiced together since last Fall. Relax.


Yes more than a few Yorktown kids, but you knew that!

as far as PT, someone's comment was they were better than LY. Did they get any better from the fall?


Obviously. My point was made.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/15/16 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to PT2020? 60 goals against and not competitive?
They didn't belong in the Adrenaline Cup, but despite embarrasing results the kids got to see what the top teams in the country look and play like. Although I'm guessing in your mind if your son was on the team it would have made all the difference in the world


First tourney of the summer - relax. Surely many teams missing key kids as state playoffs still going on in the area. Primetime and Express North 2018s are both very good and have for a while. Both 2019 squads were competitive (PT way more so than last year) - North made the last two finals last summer. Let's just let the rest of the season play out.

One thing is for sure watching 18s and 19s - the best teams are still the best, but the group of top teams is more tightly bunched than ever.


Does LI Express North have any players from Yorktown? I am assuming they do and they were in the NYS finals on Saturday. These kids probably haven't practiced together since last Fall. Relax.


Yes more than a few Yorktown kids, but you knew that!

as far as PT, someone's comment was they were better than LY. Did they get any better from the fall?


Obviously. My point was made.


Did PT 2019 get any better than then in the fall?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/20/16 04:38 AM

Express north went 3 an1 beat HHH , LC national and 3D .lost to crabs. PT lost to 3 d ,HHH ,
Posted By: Bladerunner

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/20/16 05:07 PM

Express North went 2-2 this past weekend, how did PT 2020 do?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/20/16 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Bladerunner
Express North went 2-2 this past weekend, how did PT 2020 do?
Went 4-2. They Beat Edge, BBL, Mesa & LB3 National....lost to Crabs & Crush
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/20/16 08:55 PM



First tourney of the summer - relax. Surely many teams missing key kids as state playoffs still going on in the area. Primetime and Express North 2018s are both very good and have for a while. Both 2019 squads were competitive (PT way more so than last year) - North made the last two finals last summer. Let's just let the rest of the season play out.

One thing is for sure watching 18s and 19s - the best teams are still the best, but the group of top teams is more tightly bunched than ever. [/quote]

Does LI Express North have any players from Yorktown? I am assuming they do and they were in the NYS finals on Saturday. These kids probably haven't practiced together since last Fall. Relax. [/quote]

Yes more than a few Yorktown kids, but you knew that!

as far as PT, someone's comment was they were better than LY. Did they get any better from the fall? [/quote]

Obviously. My point was made. [/quote]

Did PT 2019 get any better than then in the fall? [/quote]

Primetime 2019 looked very mediocre last weekend in PA. They beat one team that I saw. PT lost to 3D tristate and Express North destroyed 3D Tristate. That about sums up the weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/20/16 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Bladerunner
Express North went 2-2 this past weekend, how did PT 2020 do?


Express North 2019 went 3-1, tourney machine has been updated correctly. Won in sudden death overtime over HHH.
Posted By: Bladerunner

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/20/16 11:16 PM

The 2-2 comment was for 2020
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/20/16 11:22 PM

Anyone else notice that the Express North teams at LI Laxfest all played in B brackets? All the talk during tryouts about Schreiber pulling together these great teams and they play in B, not the type of competition I would want.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/20/16 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Bladerunner
Express North went 2-2 this past weekend, how did PT 2020 do?


Express North 2019 went 3-1, tourney machine has been updated correctly. Won in sudden death overtime over HHH.

Yes they did, but we were talking about Express North 2020 and PT 2020
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/23/16 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Bladerunner
Express North went 2-2 this past weekend, how did PT 2020 do?


Express North 2019 went 3-1, tourney machine has been updated correctly. Won in sudden death overtime over HHH.

Yes they did, but we were talking about Express North 2020 and PT 2020


Primetime is in decline. Last really good team was 2018 but they haven't kept up either. It was inevitable.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/23/16 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Bladerunner
Express North went 2-2 this past weekend, how did PT 2020 do?


Express North 2019 went 3-1, tourney machine has been updated correctly. Won in sudden death overtime over HHH.

Yes they did, but we were talking about Express North 2020 and PT 2020


Primetime is in decline. Last really good team was 2018 but they haven't kept up either. It was inevitable.
A reflection of a general decline in Westchester lacrosse, a dilution of talent among more Summer teams and a belief that athletic middies can still go one on two and get the job done.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/23/16 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Bladerunner
Express North went 2-2 this past weekend, how did PT 2020 do?


Express North 2019 went 3-1, tourney machine has been updated correctly. Won in sudden death overtime over HHH.

Yes they did, but we were talking about Express North 2020 and PT 2020


Primetime is in decline. Last really good team was 2018 but they haven't kept up either. It was inevitable.


Not a lot of promise in the younger years. 2024 team got throttled two weekends in a row on Long Island
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 10:28 AM

the growth of other teams is definitely hurting Prime time at the younger ages- express north 24 plays PT 2024 Saturday morning
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 11:01 AM

that's ok, from what I have heard, Daniello is running the youth program now, he will figure out a way to make his money off of them- the president of the youth program is as spineless as a jelly fish, he will let it happen, his kids prob play for primetime for free
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
that's ok, from what I have heard, Daniello is running the youth program now, he will figure out a way to make his money off of them- the president of the youth program is as spineless as a jelly fish, he will let it happen, his kids prob play for primetime for free


Which youth program?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 12:51 PM

john jay
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
that's ok, from what I have heard, Daniello is running the youth program now, he will figure out a way to make his money off of them- the president of the youth program is as spineless as a jelly fish, he will let it happen, his kids prob play for primetime for free
hahaha calling someone 'spineless' while doing so anonymously hahahaha...Although I'm guessing you've run so many youth programs in your lifetime, that in your feeble mind you get a free pass to criticize
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 02:16 PM

truth hurts - overcharged from top to bottom, losing organization run by people that give nothing back to the town or players and are happy to feed the for- profit organization, yeh sounds like a great organization run by a guy that never played lacrosse at any level. if that's your idea of running a youth program , keep it up, no wonder you guys cant beat Yorktown EVER
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 02:21 PM

ha ha - from what I hear - definitely lax mafia in that town
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 02:33 PM

I heard you guys pay the ex president $4k to schedule games ? maybe you should use that money for winter training and let parents do the scheduling
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
truth hurts - overcharged from top to bottom, losing organization run by people that give nothing back to the town or players and are happy to feed the for- profit organization, yeh sounds like a great organization run by a guy that never played lacrosse at any level. if that's your idea of running a youth program , keep it up, no wonder you guys cant beat Yorktown EVER


No varsity program thrives without a youth program that is run by people who are totally committed to the kids development. It's the reason why Pleasantville, Bronxville, etc have grown as legitimate varsity programs and why Yorktown is a consistent powerhouse. The director and coaches invest a lot of time and energy teaching the kids the game and instilling a desire to win. Its a culture, not just recreation.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
truth hurts - overcharged from top to bottom, losing organization run by people that give nothing back to the town or players and are happy to feed the for- profit organization, yeh sounds like a great organization run by a guy that never played lacrosse at any level. if that's your idea of running a youth program , keep it up, no wonder you guys cant beat Yorktown EVER


We all know plenty of former players who are terrible coaches and administrators. Some are lazy, bad communicators or just don't put the effort in that is required. Lack of experience on the field shouldn't preclude someone from being an effective coach or commissioner.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
truth hurts - overcharged from top to bottom, losing organization run by people that give nothing back to the town or players and are happy to feed the for- profit organization, yeh sounds like a great organization run by a guy that never played lacrosse at any level. if that's your idea of running a youth program , keep it up, no wonder you guys cant beat Yorktown EVER
'overcharged', sounds like a bitter parent who's son didn't make the A team. But yes you are right they should give something back like the local baseball and football programs do...participation trophies?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
truth hurts - overcharged from top to bottom, losing organization run by people that give nothing back to the town or players and are happy to feed the for- profit organization, yeh sounds like a great organization run by a guy that never played lacrosse at any level. if that's your idea of running a youth program , keep it up, no wonder you guys cant beat Yorktown EVER

Sounds like sour grapes
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 02:58 PM

overcharged- well its 195 dollars for k-1 , its 450 for 6th grade and goes up from there- you be the judge , coaches of the 6th and 7th grade are top notch individuals -
Posted By: Anonymous

Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 03:51 PM

Hoping one day the Westchester clubs actually play one another.

Realize much of the attention goes to 2017-2020, but for those of us with younger kids, the jungle of clubs proclaiming how "elite" they are is comical.

PT, Preds, Express North, 3D Tri-State, Eclipse, Dynasty, Superstar, Ballers, 2Way, 91 North should compete locally rather than paying high fees and journeying to LI or PA for the experience. Seems club directors fear parents will question their programs if they lose to local rival. So all avoid one another to play it safe.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
overcharged- well its 195 dollars for k-1 , its 450 for 6th grade and goes up from there- you be the judge , coaches of the 6th and 7th grade are top notch individuals -


I think Yorktown is $175 max. Does John Jay pay the coaches?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 04:10 PM

who really needs to go anywhere to play at the younger ages - practice 2 days a week and play local round robins
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hoping one day the Westchester clubs actually play one another.

Realize much of the attention goes to 2017-2020, but for those of us with younger kids, the jungle of clubs proclaiming how "elite" they are is comical.

PT, Preds, Express North, 3D Tri-State, Eclipse, Dynasty, Superstar, Ballers, 2Way, 91 North should compete locally rather than paying high fees and journeying to LI or PA for the experience. Seems club directors fear parents will question their programs if they lose to local rival. So all avoid one another to play it safe.


Agreed. Clubs like playing teams from other regions because these teams are not in competition with each other for kids. Almost no one from Pleasantville is going to say "my kid will play for LI Outlaws next year because they looked real good when we played them." But they might move from PT to Express North. Another factor not mentioned is that some of these clubs are really just regional chapters of larger clubs that run their own tournaments on LI and elsewhere. So these clubs are required (I assume) to attend these tournaments, where a "true" fee is not paid, only an accounting one is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 06:42 PM

But we need to make sure to compensate the club owners, tournament companies, hotels and restaurants for all the lost revenue. I believe our kids would develop into fine lacrosse players by playing a few local teams during the summer. Many of these kids by the time the are sophomores in high school have been doing this for 5 or 6 summers on top of fall ball and high school season. Way too many games and travel.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 06:56 PM

This weekend there is the Crab Fest tournament in Baltimore. On Saturday, each team will play in 3 games, consisting of 4 -10 minute running time quarters. On Sunday, each team will most likely play in 2 games of equal length. So at most, each team will play 200 minutes of running time lacrosse. On your drive Friday afternoon from Westchester to Baltimore, 200 minutes may not get you out of New Jersey. It makes no logical sense, other than to enrich the clubs and tournament owners, to do this. Local league - 10 teams, no travel, no Holiday Inns, and weekends free to do other things. Didn't even factor in that many teams have 25 players on them so the 200 minutes of lacrosse goes down substantially.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 06:57 PM

at this point in Westchester at he younger ages its a notch above town with so many teams- might as well just extend town another 2 months and play 3/4 jamborees
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 07:06 PM

Younger teams extend town programs. High School kids should have a high school league. May need to combine some teams but that shouldn't be a problem.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/24/16 08:26 PM

2 tourneys (one travel, one local) - $3,500 entrance fees
8 games vs local teams - Ref fees - $400 (we pay one ref, opponent pays the other)
1 paid coach - $10,000 ?? (2 dad coaches are assistants for free)
Uniforms - $600 ??
Rent practice space - ??? (not a lot of money if rent from a school or town park

Divide by 18 kids (20+ too many) = $805 plus 1/18th whatever it costs to rent practice space per kid.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/27/16 03:15 PM

how did the Westchester teams do this weekend ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/27/16 04:18 PM

tristate 91 2024, 2021 and varsity won their bracket in war games

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/27/16 08:22 PM

Prime Time 2019 was at the Crab Feast - went 3-0 in pool play and then beat 2019 Express North 6-4 to make it to the semi-final against Crabs. Lost that game
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/28/16 03:27 PM

my son has never played travel before , im just curious what people think are the best teams we should tryout for in the 2024 age bracket
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/28/16 03:46 PM

i have no idea of ability of your son, but- first off- very rarely do local teams ever play each other which is unfortunate , but I see it this way IN TERMS OF SKILL
EXPRESS NORTH- KATONAH
PRIMETIME- SOUTH SALEM
2 WAY- BRUNSWICK SCHOOL
ECLIPSE- NEW CANNAAN CT
sUPERSTARS- RIDGEFIELD
TRISTATE - PURCHASE

SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE ARE HAPPY WITH ALL PROGRAMS LISTED ABOVE, AND ALL OFFER DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PLAY , IN DIFFERENT LEVEL TOURNEYS
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/28/16 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Prime Time 2019 was at the Crab Feast - went 3-0 in pool play and then beat 2019 Express North 6-4 to make it to the semi-final against Crabs. Lost that game


Yes saw that PT 2019 win and was very confused by it. The 3-0 at Crab fest is not impressive but the win over E north is. Crabs Madlax and Laxachuessets top three
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/28/16 04:14 PM

tristate 2024 won their tourney this weekend
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/28/16 09:21 PM

Not sure why the confusion. Both teams are very talented and play good lacrosse. Both teams were also missing a top offensive player so no excuses there. It seems you are familiar with the North team but maybe get familiar with PT and you will realize. Your opinion is your opinion so can't change that but objectively there's not much of a difference between both teams except the head to head match ups They tied each other in 2015 and PT won this. Maybe next year it's different result but that won't change the fact both teams are talented in good programs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/29/16 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure why the confusion. Both teams are very talented and play good lacrosse. Both teams were also missing a top offensive player so no excuses there. It seems you are familiar with the North team but maybe get familiar with PT and you will realize. Your opinion is your opinion so can't change that but objectively there's not much of a difference between both teams except the head to head match ups They tied each other in 2015 and PT won this. Maybe next year it's different result but that won't change the fact both teams are talented in good programs.


PT 2019 is a very good team and on Sunday they outplayed Express North. However, I think these 2 teams will be very similar to the 2018's and on any given day either team can win.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/29/16 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure why the confusion. Both teams are very talented and play good lacrosse. Both teams were also missing a top offensive player so no excuses there. It seems you are familiar with the North team but maybe get familiar with PT and you will realize. Your opinion is your opinion so can't change that but objectively there's not much of a difference between both teams except the head to head match ups They tied each other in 2015 and PT won this. Maybe next year it's different result but that won't change the fact both teams are talented in good programs.


PT 2019 is a very good team and on Sunday they outplayed Express North. However, I think these 2 teams will be very similar to the 2018's and on any given day either team

can win.


Has 2018 prime time ever beaten express north ??? I don't think so
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/29/16 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure why the confusion. Both teams are very talented and play good lacrosse. Both teams were also missing a top offensive player so no excuses there. It seems you are familiar with the North team but maybe get familiar with PT and you will realize. Your opinion is your opinion so can't change that but objectively there's not much of a difference between both teams except the head to head match ups They tied each other in 2015 and PT won this. Maybe next year it's different result but that won't change the fact both teams are talented in good programs.


PT 2019 is a very good team and on Sunday they outplayed Express North. However, I think these 2 teams will be very similar to the 2018's and on any given day either team can win.


I think PT being in more tourneys with tough teams will help them. They are now having the opportunity to do that. North has been there already there with Express' inclusion in NLF. Beating a rival is nice - but the measuring stick of progress for both programs should be beating Madlax, 91, Laxachusetts, Crabs, HHH.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/29/16 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Prime Time 2019 was at the Crab Feast - went 3-0 in pool play and then beat 2019 Express North 6-4 to make it to the semi-final against Crabs. Lost that game


Yes saw that PT 2019 win and was very confused by it. The 3-0 at Crab fest is not impressive but the win over E north is. Crabs Madlax and Laxachuessets top three


PT 2019 lost to 3d prior weekend and Express North crushed 3d at same tournament. Express North may be the better team but looks like PT has their number. Seems like PT plays weaker schedule at big tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/29/16 03:04 PM

I think the last name on your list should be Team 91. I believe Tri-State is a NJ team.

Also you forgot Predators (Purchase) and TopSide (Purchase)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/29/16 08:18 PM

PT 2019 has played in the same tournaments this summer at the same level of play Express North 2019 AA and do play the same quality teams as Express North 2019 AA. Yes, results have been different, no argument there. But the schedule is not chosen, it is given to them, so you play who you have to. PT 2019 at Crab Feast had to play Express North 2019 AA to advance and they beat them, hands down, nothing more to be said. As said earlier, both teams have a lot of talent and play good lacrosse. I would be ignorant to say one team is better than other, but if you so choose to, the head to head match up is a nice indicator. This year PT 2019 beat Express North AA, last year the teams tied. So having said all that, I would concentrate on just enjoying the lacrosse being played this summer, as it is going by very quickly.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/30/16 05:08 PM

at the 2024 level- primetime played express north this past weekend 9-3 express north - what's going on with Primetime
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/30/16 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
at the 2024 level- primetime played express north this past weekend 9-3 express north - what's going on with Primetime
I'm sorry ? you're concerned about a 4th/5th grade (Primetime) team? Damn. They should just disband now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 06/30/16 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
at the 2024 level- primetime played express north this past weekend 9-3 express north - what's going on with Primetime
Since you are so concerned I'm hearing only good things about the 2026 level...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/01/16 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure why the confusion. Both teams are very talented and play good lacrosse. Both teams were also missing a top offensive player so no excuses there. It seems you are familiar with the North team but maybe get familiar with PT and you will realize. Your opinion is your opinion so can't change that but objectively there's not much of a difference between both teams except the head to head match ups They tied each other in 2015 and PT won this. Maybe next year it's different result but that won't change the fact both teams are talented in good programs.


PT 2019 is a very good team and on Sunday they outplayed Express North. However, I think these 2 teams will be very similar to the 2018's and on any given day either team

can win.


Has 2018 prime time ever beaten express north ??? I don't think so


Actually PT 2018 has beat express north. fl$ about 2-3 years ago, beat them pretty bad. Probably to avenge their loss the year before when the team was superstar 365.
Posted By: RocklandLaxDad

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/06/16 02:38 AM

Tri-State [part of the 91 group of lacrosse clubs] can't even compete at the 2019 level. Lack of commitment by many families, with coaches asking to bring friends at their own tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
i have no idea of ability of your son, but- first off- very rarely do local teams ever play each other which is unfortunate , but I see it this way IN TERMS OF SKILL
EXPRESS NORTH- KATONAH
PRIMETIME- SOUTH SALEM
2 WAY- BRUNSWICK SCHOOL
ECLIPSE- NEW CANNAAN CT
sUPERSTARS- RIDGEFIELD
TRISTATE - PURCHASE

SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE ARE HAPPY WITH ALL PROGRAMS LISTED ABOVE, AND ALL OFFER DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PLAY , IN DIFFERENT LEVEL TOURNEYS
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/06/16 01:20 PM

Many of you are forgetting House of Sports (HOS) as well.

Their 2019 group is a strong team. Obviously not the caliber of PT or Express North, but arguably the third best team in Westchester/Rockland/NYC for that age group. Have kept the same core of kids for 4 years and added great pieces along the way.

Recently went undefeated at Westchester War games (weak tournament but shows their growth) and beat solid Ward Melville squad in championship.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/06/16 01:48 PM

I THINK DIRECTOR OF tristate mike bocklet is a world class guy and obviously hello of a player, but, the problem I see at that program is the way they position themselves in the lax universe, they play B tourneys against b/c teams and even though their teams at the younger levels are as good or as bad as the younger teams in Westchester like express or primetime, they will struggle to attract the players who are looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, while I realize that pot of gold may never exist for some players or even most players , but it is what drives parents to craziness of travel lacrosse. even his 2020, 2019, 2018, etc teams all play in low level tourneys with zero chance of any scout ever being there. so why pay 1500-2000 dollars when you can pay less for the same with programs like warriors, ballers, etc... meaning town style programs
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/06/16 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I THINK DIRECTOR OF tristate mike bocklet is a world class guy and obviously hello of a player, but, the problem I see at that program is the way they position themselves in the lax universe, they play B tourneys against b/c teams and even though their teams at the younger levels are as good or as bad as the younger teams in Westchester like express or primetime, they will struggle to attract the players who are looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, while I realize that pot of gold may never exist for some players or even most players , but it is what drives parents to craziness of travel lacrosse. even his 2020, 2019, 2018, etc teams all play in low level tourneys with zero chance of any scout ever being there. so why pay 1500-2000 dollars when you can pay less for the same with programs like warriors, ballers, etc... meaning town style programs
Everything you say is true, and I think for certain grade years can really only play tournaments based on talent. I would love to hear feedback about what their quality of instruction is? PrimeTime (especially) and Express North have become more about early recruitment than anything else. Team lacrosse is not in their vocabulary, watch the athletic middie go 1 on 2, and then shoot anyway & anywhere. So I think TriState and perhaps others can and should fill a niche for parents and players who aren't looking for the pot of gold in 7th and 8th grade but instead a solid summer team where players actually get better.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/06/16 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
at the 2024 level- primetime played express north this past weekend 9-3 express north - what's going on with Primetime


Easy big guy. Express North gets destroyed whenever they leave westchester.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/06/16 03:43 PM

I don't believe it is as much the organization as it is the commitments [lack thereof] from many of the families. Seems they treat this as summer camp, expensive at that, and only show when its convenient.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I THINK DIRECTOR OF tristate mike bocklet is a world class guy and obviously hello of a player, but, the problem I see at that program is the way they position themselves in the lax universe, they play B tourneys against b/c teams and even though their teams at the younger levels are as good or as bad as the younger teams in Westchester like express or primetime, they will struggle to attract the players who are looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, while I realize that pot of gold may never exist for some players or even most players , but it is what drives parents to craziness of travel lacrosse. even his 2020, 2019, 2018, etc teams all play in low level tourneys with zero chance of any scout ever being there. so why pay 1500-2000 dollars when you can pay less for the same with programs like warriors, ballers, etc... meaning town style programs
Everything you say is true, and I think for certain grade years can really only play tournaments based on talent. I would love to hear feedback about what their quality of instruction is? PrimeTime (especially) and Express North have become more about early recruitment than anything else. Team lacrosse is not in their vocabulary, watch the athletic middie go 1 on 2, and then shoot anyway & anywhere. So I think TriState and perhaps others can and should fill a niche for parents and players who aren't looking for the pot of gold in 7th and 8th grade but instead a solid summer team where players actually get better.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/06/16 03:54 PM

TS instruction that I have witnessed is ok. Nothing great or spectacular or unique, but certainly hits all the spots and not deficient in any way. I would be shocked if it were better than the instruction at PT or Express North, just based on reputation and pedigree of coaches. TS has been playing tournaments commiserate with their talent. Someone above indicated a problem with attendance and commitment at 2019. Similar problems exist at other grades, especially with regard to attendance at practice. Families are very wealthy (a generalization, I know, but I am basing it on what I see and where they live) and it means nothing to them to pay $1500 (or whatever it was) and have their kid miss tons of practice and some of the tournaments. The comparison to town summer programs is valid but most towns don't have such, so its not an option for many people. These programs seem to be in Northern Westchester and would be too far to travel for practice for most of who is at TS. Lower Westchester families are not driving their kids to Somers or Yorktown to play for Warriors or Ballers.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/06/16 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
at the 2024 level- primetime played express north this past weekend 9-3 express north - what's going on with Primetime


Easy big guy. Express North gets destroyed whenever they leave westchester.


well what does that say about primetime then? express north stinks, and pt 2024 stinks way worse - who cares -
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/06/16 05:39 PM

My last two cents and its very nit-picky.

TS does not really have a sense of comradery. The majority of other teams bring team tents and the boys typically hang out in between games. This really hasn't been the case. They should consider this as the boys come from a number of different towns and would help build a bit more cohesiveness on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
TS instruction that I have witnessed is ok. Nothing great or spectacular or unique, but certainly hits all the spots and not deficient in any way. I would be shocked if it were better than the instruction at PT or Express North, just based on reputation and pedigree of coaches. TS has been playing tournaments commiserate with their talent. Someone above indicated a problem with attendance and commitment at 2019. Similar problems exist at other grades, especially with regard to attendance at practice. Families are very wealthy (a generalization, I know, but I am basing it on what I see and where they live) and it means nothing to them to pay $1500 (or whatever it was) and have their kid miss tons of practice and some of the tournaments. The comparison to town summer programs is valid but most towns don't have such, so its not an option for many people. These programs seem to be in Northern Westchester and would be too far to travel for practice for most of who is at TS. Lower Westchester families are not driving their kids to Somers or Yorktown to play for Warriors or Ballers.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/06/16 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My last two cents and its very nit-picky.

TS does not really have a sense of comradery. The majority of other teams bring team tents and the boys typically hang out in between games. This really hasn't been the case. They should consider this as the boys come from a number of different towns and would help build a bit more cohesiveness on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
TS instruction that I have witnessed is ok. Nothing great or spectacular or unique, but certainly hits all the spots and not deficient in any way. I would be shocked if it were better than the instruction at PT or Express North, just based on reputation and pedigree of coaches. TS has been playing tournaments commiserate with their talent. Someone above indicated a problem with attendance and commitment at 2019. Similar problems exist at other grades, especially with regard to attendance at practice. Families are very wealthy (a generalization, I know, but I am basing it on what I see and where they live) and it means nothing to them to pay $1500 (or whatever it was) and have their kid miss tons of practice and some of the tournaments. The comparison to town summer programs is valid but most towns don't have such, so its not an option for many people. These programs seem to be in Northern Westchester and would be too far to travel for practice for most of who is at TS. Lower Westchester families are not driving their kids to Somers or Yorktown to play for Warriors or Ballers.
Not nit picky at all, in fact it's a small gesture of commitment from an organization to it's players and families. On a related topic I've always been a fan the Yorktown Ballers concept. Keeps many of it's players together, especially those at the mid-level, which I think has gone a long way in developing and keeping Yorktown's dominance in northern westchester
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/06/16 06:28 PM

no tristate parent and I get the tent- but- its a 2 yr old program, im sure bocklett has it on his to-do list
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/06/16 07:03 PM

to the poster that said express north 2024 is cream of the class, I saw express north 2024 play this summer, man did they look awful, could not win a faceoff, or win a ground ball, not sure what happened there or how they beat Primetime 9-3. the one midi that dominated in the fall, can barely get out of his own way . lost every game this weekend, they need help
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/06/16 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
to the poster that said express north 2024 is cream of the class, I saw express north 2024 play this summer, man did they look awful, could not win a faceoff, or win a ground ball, not sure what happened there or how they beat Primetime 9-3. the one midi that dominated in the fall, can barely get out of his own way . lost every game this weekend, they need help


What you're seeing at the younger ages is dilution of the talent as the number of programs grows. Long Island has more numbers to support 4-5 high quality teams. Westchester doesn't. They will all struggle to compete until some of these combine or fold.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/07/16 02:01 AM

What measuring stick are you guys using to compare programs? If you are talking just talent, I think LIE North is tops for the older teams, but Daniello at Prime Time does a better job of placing kids in colleges.

I agree, dilution hurts in Westchester and Western CT but natural selection will win out. Plus there is room for different types of programs- recruiting focused, development and just kids who want to play.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/07/16 05:13 PM

Are the clubs and where they mainly draw kids accurate?
Primetime- all over
Preds- Rye, Mamaroneck, Bronxville
Express North- Somers, Pleasantville
3D Tri-State- Greenwich
Eclipse- New Canaan, Westport, Weston
Dynasty- Mahopac
Rhino- Fairfield, Redding
Superstar- Ridgefield
Ballers- Yorktown
2Way- Rye, Mamaroneck, Pelham
19 TriState- Scarsdale, Mamaroneck,
Greenwich (club)- Scarsdale, Greenwich, White Plains
Topside- New Rochelle, Pelham
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/11/16 01:42 PM

Congratulations to the Long Island Express N 2021 team for taking another big step forward as a team. It was a pleasure watching the boys play so hard together to beat teams with men on their rosters.

How do these teams get away with playing older kids?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/11/16 06:00 PM

Congratulations Express North 2024 , another great weekend - 1-3 against mostly B teams up in Simsbury , makes their record 4-15 on the summer - way to go!! Maybe Schreiber isn't yelling enough
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/11/16 06:22 PM

Primetime looking pretty good now - lol
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/11/16 08:31 PM

PrimeTime went 2-3 at the NXT Cup. Lost to Taz and T91 from Maryland. Beat Superstar. So they weren't great either.

Who is the PT coach for this grade and how is the coaching? Will the coach change next year? My experience is that PT uses college kids as coaching.

Same for LIE North. Who is the coach and will he be the same next year? How is the coaching?

Have a son who may tryout for both. Want the best coaching. Want a coach that cares about the kids and makes a team out of them. Don't care about winning.

Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/12/16 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congratulations Express North 2024 , another great weekend - 1-3 against mostly B teams up in Simsbury , makes their record 4-15 on the summer - way to go!! Maybe Schreiber isn't yelling enough


Why would any grown man keep track of the record of a bunch of boys who have just finished the 4th grade????

You might be surprised what one can learn from a loss.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/12/16 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is the PT coach for this grade and how is the coaching? Will the coach change next year? My experience is that PT uses college kids as coaching.

Same for LIE North. Who is the coach and will he be the same next year? How is the coaching?

Have a son who may tryout for both. Want the best coaching. Want a coach that cares about the kids and makes a team out of them. Don't care about winning.

Any other suggestions would be appreciated.


Check out 3d for really great instruction.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/12/16 01:58 PM

pt- moves coaching around , but most are ex div 1 players or local hs coaches

li express is chris Schreiber/jay hill - very intense - good for some kids not so good for others -

both are good options

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/15/16 01:56 PM

Westchester warriors- Nick Savastano (Kennedy catholic)is expanding his program to the younger ages- Nick is a top notch pro- could be great !!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/18/16 06:32 PM

Congratulations to 2021 LI Express North for a huge come from behind (twice!) victory over the Edge to win the NLF Summer Championship. Everyone contributed to the TEAM victory and the successful summer experience. Can't wait for next season.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/18/16 07:02 PM

LIE North 2021 won the B (single a) bracket. Team 9+1 beat eclipse for the championship in the A (aa) bracket.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/18/16 07:13 PM

ITS WAS THE B BRACKET- NICE TRY
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/18/16 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
ITS WAS THE B BRACKET- NICE TRY


Nice try?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/18/16 11:53 PM

Yeh. If your gonna self promote. Be honest at least. You won the B bracket. Like 90+1 tristate saying they won the war games against b/c teams. It's not bad. But be honest
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/19/16 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeh. If your gonna self promote. Be honest at least. You won the B bracket. Like 90+1 tristate saying they won the war games against b/c teams. It's not bad. But be honest


Get a life. Congratulating a bunch of 12 and 13 year olds on a hard fought tournament win, promoting nothing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/19/16 08:31 PM

So many on here argue that this team is better than that as if being on the best team is somehow a ticket to playing in college and that kids should be embarrassed if they are playing on a team that is not super elite. Guess what? It's pathetic. It's your kids who are playing, not you. They're the ones who have to care at the end of the day and the minute they stop having fun, they won't care about it at all no matter how great their team is. And your status in the community and in life is not made better because little Johnny is a standout player. Whatever shortcomings you have that compel you to argue over the greatness of your kids youth lacrosse team will not diminish whether he plays at Hopkins or gets cut from his high school team. Much of what is on this board is good dialogue and exchange of information but those of you that are compelled to [lacrosse] on other programs while beating your chest about how great your son's program is have some serious character issues.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/20/16 12:59 AM

Well said
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So many on here argue that this team is better than that as if being on the best team is somehow a ticket to playing in college and that kids should be embarrassed if they are playing on a team that is not super elite. Guess what? It's pathetic. It's your kids who are playing, not you. They're the ones who have to care at the end of the day and the minute they stop having fun, they won't care about it at all no matter how great their team is. And your status in the community and in life is not made better because little Johnny is a standout player. Whatever shortcomings you have that compel you to argue over the greatness of your kids youth lacrosse team will not diminish whether he plays at Hopkins or gets cut from his high school team. Much of what is on this board is good dialogue and exchange of information but those of you that are compelled to [lacrosse] on other programs while beating your chest about how great your son's program is have some serious character issues.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/20/16 01:30 AM

Well said. That being the case why don't we all stop paying the middleman and get a summer league going. For these kids
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/20/16 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well said. That being the case why don't we all stop paying the middleman and get a summer league going. For these kids

because eit is a viscous cycle.

You get a summer league and it turns into rec because all the better players wants more they want better. then they leave then everyone wants better and bang back to club again.

Honestly the club route is MUCH better if you have the right club. Some clubs are just like rec but they call it club. Some are elite and are for the better players... but then comes the politics and that gets watered down.

Life is cyclical and cynical
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/21/16 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
ITS WAS THE B BRACKET- NICE TRY


What kind of troll spends his time knocking others who are congratulating a youth team on their success? Sneak back into the dark recesses of your pathetic little life.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/28/16 07:33 PM

Be interesting to see this coming year how many 2020's have miraculously morphed into 2021's through the wonders of private school.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/29/16 05:24 PM

Top teams for 19 and 20 in West/CT area?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/29/16 07:10 PM

In no particular order... 3d, Primetime, Predators, Express, Eclipse

Too many if you ask me. Talent is diluted.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/29/16 10:02 PM

agree. these teams all get pounded when they go the island. could compete if they combined
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 07/29/16 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
agree. these teams all get pounded when they go the island. could compete if they combined


Not true, Express North and Primetime do a pretty good of competing with the best teams all over, especially the older grades 2018, 2019 etc.

I keep seeing talk about the Predators but I have no idea who they are or where they compete. Have not seen them in the past 3-4 years anywhere on the island, PA or MD.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/01/16 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
In no particular order... 3d, Primetime, Predators, Express, Eclipse

Too many if you ask me. Talent is diluted.


Indeed. Rumor has it that Colsey is going to be seriously upgrading Superstars.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/01/16 07:09 PM

one thing colsey does that no other program is doing is bring some fun back into the game for these younger players - 3x3 small area games , box lacrosse etc, I have to believe he will see the fruits of his labor in the future , bring the back yard , creativity back into the game
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/02/16 03:45 PM

Anyone have any insight into PT? Do they have much turnover in their rosters
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/02/16 04:31 PM

WITH MORE OPTIONS ACROSS THE BOARD, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE HAS TURNOVER - SEEING KIDS GO TO EXPRESS NORTH OR FROM EXPRESS NORTH TO PRIMETIME - SEEING KIDS LEAVE 91 TO OTHERS ETC. I think the new warrior program could be a contender in the future , the Savastano brothers are true pros with a gazillion connections
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/02/16 09:49 PM

Preds are strong 2017 and 2020. 2020's played on the island and won the fl$ tourney, went undefeated in MD at a Loyola Showcase, semi's at MVP Rising in Towson, and won NXT Cup in Philly. 17-2-1 over the summer. Good competition. Building Blocks, Iron Horse Georgia Thunder, Three Dee San Diego, Ninety Plus Maryland. Played lots of those recruited 2020's. Placed higher than PT in all tourneys where they competed together. Should be where talent collects in Westchester for the important recruiting year. Also should be playing the top teams competitively next year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/02/16 09:54 PM

maybe in the future but for the HS level teams they play in low level tourrnaments
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/02/16 10:16 PM

2way out of Brunswick seems to have top tier coaching. They might be a good location for kids as is 3D Tri State.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/02/16 11:07 PM

David Earl, who runs 2way, is great and David Bruce from Brunswick just joined on. I believe something good will be built over time there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/02/16 11:28 PM

PT takes the best players that tryout period. Everyone, regardless of if you were on the team the year before, has to earn their spot on the team. Only difference for existing players is you don't have to pay to tryout - you've earned your right to try to keep your spot.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/03/16 12:45 AM

impressive. where else did prefators play besides NXT?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/03/16 12:51 AM

Is this their first year with multiple grad years. I have only seen youth teams in the past?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/03/16 02:10 AM

2way has coaches from top tier schools but I would not call the coaching top tier.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/03/16 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
David Earl, who runs 2way, is great and David Bruce from Brunswick just joined on. I believe something good will be built over time there.


Just another in an already crowded market. I'm pretty sure Bruce is making a mistake from a competitive standpoint, but it is probably more lucrative to run a team that will compete with NinetyOne North in the 'town' tourneys than to try and build a recruiting machine.

If I were a Brunswick family I'd be very concerned with feeling pressured to support the coach's new venture versus an established organization.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/03/16 01:48 PM

PT had a VERYy rough year at 2020.
As far as taking the best kids period. Im sure for those that have been there realize that is far from the truth.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/03/16 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2way out of Brunswick seems to have top tier coaching. They might be a good location for kids as is 3D Tri State.


A resume does not equal top tier coaching. I have four sons, two have been through the club team system and are playing mid tier D1 (time flies!!). My younger two are playing club now and one conclusion we made a few years ago was forget the resume. My older boys were coached by a few guys who were stud players, had done some coaching but didn't teach them a thing and didn't stop yelling during games. Terrible experience. Their best coach was a guy who played D3 lax back in the day but loves the game and knows how to teach the kids the sport and ran VERY organized practices. Be open minded when considering a program and their coaches. Speak with parents or kids who have experienced the program. My youngest is coached by two guys that are passionate about the sport and the kids love playing for them. I have no idea nor do I care what their resume looks like. They know the game and how to teach the kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/03/16 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2way has coaches from top tier schools but I would not call the coaching top tier.


Coaches are often hired for marketing purposes. Don't expect a 23 year old kid to know how to coach 25 rambunctious lacrosse player. It takes time to learn techniques, organization.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/03/16 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
PT had a VERYy rough year at 2020.
As far as taking the best kids period. Im sure for those that have been there realize that is far from the truth.
And yet one of their players has gotten an early commitment. What 2020 team in this area played in similar elite tournaments and had a better year? Although I'm not a fan of the Top Ten lists posted on this forum, PT basically played all those teams on a regular basis in their tournaments and lost most of them. What will be interesting is what happens with their 4-5 Brunswick kids, and their hope for adding more this year, with this David Bruce/2Way team thing mentioned above.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/03/16 03:06 PM

Predators did as someone posted above. Would be good to see them play a game in the fall.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/03/16 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
PT had a VERYy rough year at 2020.
As far as taking the best kids period. Im sure for those that have been there realize that is far from the truth.
true statement, but where are all these 'best' players playing? The 2020 age group (without reclassified kids included) has not been a particularly strong group over the years...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/03/16 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PT had a VERYy rough year at 2020.
As far as taking the best kids period. Im sure for those that have been there realize that is far from the truth.
true statement, but where are all these 'best' players playing? The 2020 age group (without reclassified kids included) has not been a particularly strong group over the years...


The PT 2020 team is terrible because many of the better kids reclassified to the 2021 team. Enjoy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/03/16 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PT had a VERYy rough year at 2020.
As far as taking the best kids period. Im sure for those that have been there realize that is far from the truth.
true statement, but where are all these 'best' players playing? The 2020 age group (without reclassified kids included) has not been a particularly strong group over the years...


Lot of rumors swirling that a number of 2020 kids are reclassing to 2021 in Westchester. Most if not all will be Catholic school kids chasing that D1 dream. Not sure what kind of numbers we are really talking about but is bound to impact some of the 2021s.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/03/16 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PT had a VERYy rough year at 2020.
As far as taking the best kids period. Im sure for those that have been there realize that is far from the truth.
true statement, but where are all these 'best' players playing? The 2020 age group (without reclassified kids included) has not been a particularly strong group over the years...


The PT 2020 team is terrible because many of the better kids reclassified to the 2021 team. Enjoy.
Enjoy? Sounds like the usual parent of kid who PT cut. You don't even make sense. Maybe some kids will reclassify next summer to 2021 but highly unlikely PT 2020 had a rough summer this year because kids reclassified from 8th to 7th grade? And as far as next summer goes, a little early to call them 'terrible' without seeing which Brunswick kids Nick brings in, but if that makes you happy...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/03/16 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PT had a VERYy rough year at 2020.
As far as taking the best kids period. Im sure for those that have been there realize that is far from the truth.
true statement, but where are all these 'best' players playing? The 2020 age group (without reclassified kids included) has not been a particularly strong group over the years...


The PT 2020 team is terrible because many of the better kids reclassified to the 2021 team. Enjoy.
Enjoy? Sounds like the usual parent of kid who PT cut. You don't even make sense. Maybe some kids will reclassify next summer to 2021 but highly unlikely PT 2020 had a rough summer this year because kids reclassified from 8th to 7th grade? And as far as next summer goes, a little early to call them 'terrible' without seeing which Brunswick kids Nick brings in, but if that makes you happy...


My buddy's son is on the 2021 team, there a plenty of "holdbacks", "reclassed" "Leftback"...however you want to describe them. Older kids on the team and not everyone is happy about it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/03/16 09:55 PM

If you couldn't win with all the reclassified kids this past summer then the future does not look to good. You may also lose some of the precious Wick kids to 2way and their coach thay joined that program.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/03/16 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PT had a VERYy rough year at 2020.
As far as taking the best kids period. Im sure for those that have been there realize that is far from the truth.
true statement, but where are all these 'best' players playing? The 2020 age group (without reclassified kids included) has not been a particularly strong group over the years...


The PT 2020 team is terrible because many of the better kids reclassified to the 2021 team. Enjoy.
Enjoy? Sounds like the usual parent of kid who PT cut. You don't even make sense. Maybe some kids will reclassify next summer to 2021 but highly unlikely PT 2020 had a rough summer this year because kids reclassified from 8th to 7th grade? And as far as next summer goes, a little early to call them 'terrible' without seeing which Brunswick kids Nick brings in, but if that makes you happy...


My buddy's son is on the 2021 team, there a plenty of "holdbacks", "reclassed" "Leftback"...however you want to describe them. Older kids on the team and not everyone is happy about it.
Again, that may be true going forward, but if they were on the team this past summer and they went to the WSYL in Denver, then they were age appropriate for 2021 as that was an age based tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/04/16 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PT had a VERYy rough year at 2020.
As far as taking the best kids period. Im sure for those that have been there realize that is far from the truth.
true statement, but where are all these 'best' players playing? The 2020 age group (without reclassified kids included) has not been a particularly strong group over the years...


The PT 2020 team is terrible because many of the better kids reclassified to the 2021 team. Enjoy.
Enjoy? Sounds like the usual parent of kid who PT cut. You don't even make sense. Maybe some kids will reclassify next summer to 2021 but highly unlikely PT 2020 had a rough summer this year because kids reclassified from 8th to 7th grade? And as far as next summer goes, a little early to call them 'terrible' without seeing which Brunswick kids Nick brings in, but if that makes you happy...


My buddy's son is on the 2021 team, there a plenty of "holdbacks", "reclassed" "Leftback"...however you want to describe them. Older kids on the team and not everyone is happy about it.
Again, that may be true going forward, but if they were on the team this past summer and they went to the WSYL in Denver, then they were age appropriate for 2021 as that was an age based tournament.


cut the [lacrosse] about WSYL being age appropriate this past year. Age appropriate for what. Look how they went back to 9/1 for next year. Just fess up freakin pathetic! and mine are in college and later stages of High School now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/04/16 11:46 AM

cut the [****] about WSYL being age appropriate this past year. Age appropriate for what. Look how they went back to 9/1 for next year. Just fess up freakin pathetic! and mine are in college and later stages of High School now. ??? is that an answer to 3 different posts or one wine spritzer too many?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/07/16 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PT had a VERYy rough year at 2020.
As far as taking the best kids period. Im sure for those that have been there realize that is far from the truth.
true statement, but where are all these 'best' players playing? The 2020 age group (without reclassified kids included) has not been a particularly strong group over the years...


The PT 2020 team is terrible because many of the better kids reclassified to the 2021 team. Enjoy.
Enjoy? Sounds like the usual parent of kid who PT cut. You don't even make sense. Maybe some kids will reclassify next summer to 2021 but highly unlikely PT 2020 had a rough summer this year because kids reclassified from 8th to 7th grade? And as far as next summer goes, a little early to call them 'terrible' without seeing which Brunswick kids Nick brings in, but if that makes you happy...


My buddy's son is on the 2021 team, there a plenty of "holdbacks", "reclassed" "Leftback"...however you want to describe them. Older kids on the team and not everyone is happy about it.
Again, that may be true going forward, but if they were on the team this past summer and they went to the WSYL in Denver, then they were age appropriate for 2021 as that was an age based tournament.


The phrase "age appropriate" has a very plastic definition. The DOB cutoff for WSYL was a joke.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/07/16 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
cut the [****] about WSYL being age appropriate this past year. Age appropriate for what. Look how they went back to 9/1 for next year. Just fess up freakin pathetic! and mine are in college and later stages of High School now. ??? is that an answer to 3 different posts or one wine spritzer too many?


Not a wine spritzer to many... A response to any comments saying WSYL is age appropriate for anything. They took a recognized date of 9/1 then moved it twice to an arbitrary date.

When you create or introduce a new cluster/environment/boundary you cannot make a general statement it is (age) appropriate. appropriate ( in this case age) is a term meant for established boundaries. You can't just define a boundary and say they are appropriate. You can work off a boundary as a beta test, but to recognize it as rule witout proper vetting, doesn't mean it is right
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/07/16 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
cut the [****] about WSYL being age appropriate this past year. Age appropriate for what. Look how they went back to 9/1 for next year. Just fess up freakin pathetic! and mine are in college and later stages of High School now. ??? is that an answer to 3 different posts or one wine spritzer too many?


Not a wine spritzer to many... A response to any comments saying WSYL is age appropriate for anything. They took a recognized date of 9/1 then moved it twice to an arbitrary date.

When you create or introduce a new cluster/environment/boundary you cannot make a general statement it is (age) appropriate. appropriate ( in this case age) is a term meant for established boundaries. You can't just define a boundary and say they are appropriate. You can work off a boundary as a beta test, but to recognize it as rule witout proper vetting, doesn't mean it is right


Especially when WSYL just reset it to 9/1 !!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/08/16 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
cut the [****] about WSYL being age appropriate this past year. Age appropriate for what. Look how they went back to 9/1 for next year. Just fess up freakin pathetic! and mine are in college and later stages of High School now. ??? is that an answer to 3 different posts or one wine spritzer too many?


Not a wine spritzer to many... A response to any comments saying WSYL is age appropriate for anything. They took a recognized date of 9/1 then moved it twice to an arbitrary date.

When you create or introduce a new cluster/environment/boundary you cannot make a general statement it is (age) appropriate. appropriate ( in this case age) is a term meant for established boundaries. You can't just define a boundary and say they are appropriate. You can work off a boundary as a beta test, but to recognize it as rule witout proper vetting, doesn't mean it is right


Especially when WSYL just reset it to 9/1 !!!


Yeah for now
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/08/16 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
cut the [****] about WSYL being age appropriate this past year. Age appropriate for what. Look how they went back to 9/1 for next year. Just fess up freakin pathetic! and mine are in college and later stages of High School now. ??? is that an answer to 3 different posts or one wine spritzer too many?


Not a wine spritzer to many... A response to any comments saying WSYL is age appropriate for anything. They took a recognized date of 9/1 then moved it twice to an arbitrary date.

When you create or introduce a new cluster/environment/boundary you cannot make a general statement it is (age) appropriate. appropriate ( in this case age) is a term meant for established boundaries. You can't just define a boundary and say they are appropriate. You can work off a boundary as a beta test, but to recognize it as rule witout proper vetting, doesn't mean it is right


Especially when WSYL just reset it to 9/1 !!!


Yeah for now


Reason #31 why the current lacrosse environment is atrocious. Why the heck can't everyone agree to use a DOB system like all of the other sports? If you're against it your are just trying to profit and exploit minors. Bottomline. In any other walk of life these actions would be demonized and possibly prosecuted. In lacrosse, we all acquiesce to the college coaches and clubs that feed into the broken system. Shameful.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/08/16 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
cut the [****] about WSYL being age appropriate this past year. Age appropriate for what. Look how they went back to 9/1 for next year. Just fess up freakin pathetic! and mine are in college and later stages of High School now. ??? is that an answer to 3 different posts or one wine spritzer too many?


Not a wine spritzer to many... A response to any comments saying WSYL is age appropriate for anything. They took a recognized date of 9/1 then moved it twice to an arbitrary date.

When you create or introduce a new cluster/environment/boundary you cannot make a general statement it is (age) appropriate. appropriate ( in this case age) is a term meant for established boundaries. You can't just define a boundary and say they are appropriate. You can work off a boundary as a beta test, but to recognize it as rule witout proper vetting, doesn't mean it is right


Especially when WSYL just reset it to 9/1 !!!


Yeah for now


Reason #31 why the current lacrosse environment is atrocious. Why the heck can't everyone agree to use a DOB system like all of the other sports? If you're against it your are just trying to profit and exploit minors. Bottomline. In any other walk of life these actions would be demonized and possibly prosecuted. In lacrosse, we all acquiesce to the college coaches and clubs that feed into the broken system. Shameful.
Early recruiting-grade based system-holdbacks-deterioration of 'team' play on summer travel are all interconnected and while I share your frustration (prosecution is a little extreme) your point about profit is what drives the current state of travel lacrosse. As long as there are parents willing to pay for that possibility of a golden commitment ticket, why change? (Although a recent quote by Tillman, from UMD .that if 6 of 12 of their early recruits work out, then that's a success? I'm sure there will be some on here who will say for the other 6 at least Maryland is a good education, which it is, but something is wrong in that early recruitment thinking) My biggest problem with all this, and I've heard this from a few, is that the actual lacrosse played is becoming dreadful to watch. (summer teams)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/09/16 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My biggest problem with all this, and I've heard this from a few, is that the actual lacrosse played is becoming dreadful to watch. (summer teams)


I've seen this written several times and while I agree that the overall level of play has fallen, the level of play at the top end is really quite good.

The simple reason why the overall quality has fallen is rise in numbers of kids and teams playing.

The truth is that the pool of really talented, physically gifted, and dedicated players and teams has not grown much. There are only a handful of teams with parents that will happily drive to practice 10 months of the year. Let's face it, you have to be kinda nutty to really be great at any one (single) thing.

Summer lacrosse among the top teams is really great to watch.

The expansion of the business to accommodate demand had a predictable impact. If you are disappointed with the play, chances are your team is not at the top end.

And frankly that is totally fine. Some kids love to play but may not have the physical gifts others do. Many families are not willing to work out the logistics of getting their kid to the field continually. That is OK.

Quality is just fine but more varied than ever before. Whether you believe all those kids on 'B' and 'C' clubs and teams should be bothering is a different discussion.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/09/16 12:59 PM

i think one thing that would truly help out both parents and players is for directors to be willing to set up a summer league or winter league and let the boys play each other - no reason why pt shouldn't be playing express north, eclipse, etc through out the year in a relatively local setting - especially at the younger ages . and use these games as practice and as a teaching tool . I know the reasons they don't, but lets be honest, its not that hard to compare schedules etc and see who is better and kids will always move around, but in the meantime, set up a structuire where these kids can play without driving to every damn tourney 12 months a year
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/09/16 01:45 PM

Well said. The reality is that if a few kids leave for a competing team no club is going to lose money when they are 100 kids trying out. If you lose a stud it shouldn't affect a top team anyway. Let them play each other locally in scrimmages or play days. No one is going to lose not even the directors. I would hope they have more confidence in themselves.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/09/16 02:04 PM

This post is spot on! perhaps as the sport continues to mature there will be more quality play top to bottom.

What also often gets missed is that many of us crazy parents/players enjoy the travel during the summer and have our expectations in check around recruiting. watching kids play, building friendships team dinners can be really a lot of fun.

don't like the prospect of going across the GWB on a Friday but the other stuff can be a blast.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/09/16 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My biggest problem with all this, and I've heard this from a few, is that the actual lacrosse played is becoming dreadful to watch. (summer teams)


I've seen this written several times and while I agree that the overall level of play has fallen, the level of play at the top end is really quite good.

The simple reason why the overall quality has fallen is rise in numbers of kids and teams playing.

The truth is that the pool of really talented, physically gifted, and dedicated players and teams has not grown much. There are only a handful of teams with parents that will happily drive to practice 10 months of the year. Let's face it, you have to be kinda nutty to really be great at any one (single) thing.

Summer lacrosse among the top teams is really great to watch.

The expansion of the business to accommodate demand had a predictable impact. If you are disappointed with the play, chances are your team is not at the top end.

And frankly that is totally fine. Some kids love to play but may not have the physical gifts others do. Many families are not willing to work out the logistics of getting their kid to the field continually. That is OK.

Quality is just fine but more varied than ever before. Whether you believe all those kids on 'B' and 'C' clubs and teams should be bothering is a different discussion.
I should have been a bit clearer, in declaring it dreadful, my point was more directed to the concept of 'team' lacrosse. I saw too much of it on PT and Express North AA 2020 + 2019 where athletic middies are taking ill advised, low lacrosse IQ shots in the hopes of being seen and recruited early. But as far as your last statement, I don't care if you want to call it 'B' or 'C' there should always be an opportunity somewhere for kids who love the game and just want to play during the summer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/09/16 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I should have been a bit clearer, in declaring it dreadful, my point was more directed to the concept of 'team' lacrosse. I saw too much of it on PT and Express North AA 2020 + 2019 where athletic middies are taking ill advised, low lacrosse IQ shots in the hopes of being seen and recruited early.


Fair point. But you must admit that those two programs in particular make recruiting their primary focus.

You reap what you sow.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/12/16 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I should have been a bit clearer, in declaring it dreadful, my point was more directed to the concept of 'team' lacrosse. I saw too much of it on PT and Express North AA 2020 + 2019 where athletic middies are taking ill advised, low lacrosse IQ shots in the hopes of being seen and recruited early.


Fair point. But you must admit that those two programs in particular make recruiting their primary focus.

You reap what you sow.


Have the two programs had many "early commits" in the 2019 and 2020 classes? How does one differentiate between a program that places kids and one that just has great players that should receive college attention? Contacts? Showcase appearances? Great coaching?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/15/16 09:33 PM

Anyone have any insight into who the Express North 2020 coaches are?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/16/16 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have any insight into who the Express North 2020 coaches are?


Good question. Also the 2021 team? Can't find anything on the website.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/16/16 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have any insight into who the Express North 2020 coaches are?


Good question. Also the 2021 team? Can't find anything on the website.


I got an email the other day with tryout information and coaches for years 2022-2026, maybe still confirming the other grades? I'd be surprised to see any changes for the 2019 & 2018's.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/17/16 10:58 PM

Nic Bell from Trinity-Pawling is Coaching the 2020 AA team

Rick Trizano from Iona Prep is Coaching the 2021 team

Chris Schreiber is doing everything he can to build a winning organization.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/17/16 11:03 PM

That was the best post on this site, great Job and hopefully these directors listen
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/18/16 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That was the best post on this site, great Job and hopefully these directors listen


Listen to what?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/22/16 03:10 PM

so how were tryouts for everyone this weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/23/16 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
so how were tryouts for everyone this weekend?


Wet.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/23/16 12:42 AM

Numbers that showed up??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/24/16 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Numbers that showed up??
I think numbers looked down for Express North & Primetime but could be just for 2020 & 2021...not sure for other grade years. But at close to 75-100$ per try-out doesn't make much sense to try out for 3 or 4 teams anymore.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/25/16 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Numbers that showed up??
I think numbers looked down for Express North & Primetime but could be just for 2020 & 2021...not sure for other grade years. But at close to 75-100$ per try-out doesn't make much sense to try out for 3 or 4 teams anymore.


Looked to be a number of kids at these tryouts for 2021 that had reclassed. Just nuts. And won't they get pushed back up by next year with the new age based rules? I don't get it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/25/16 03:00 PM

They will be in HS next year as 9th graders (NOT 10th graders) so this won't effect them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/25/16 03:17 PM

What's the difference going into 9th vs going into 10th?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/26/16 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
They will be in HS next year as 9th graders (NOT 10th graders) so this won't effect them.


It will for club teams that will be age based. If you reclassed to 2021 (14U), next year instead of 15U you will be pushed back up to 16U since that's reflective of their actual age.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/26/16 12:56 PM

are club teams mandating age based teams?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/26/16 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
are club teams mandating age based teams?
They don't seem to be, and as long as tournaments and team 'recruiting' events are grade based, there wouldn't seem to be a rush to do so
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/26/16 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Numbers that showed up??
I think numbers looked down for Express North & Primetime but could be just for 2020 & 2021...not sure for other grade years. But at close to 75-100$ per try-out doesn't make much sense to try out for 3 or 4 teams anymore.


Looked to be a number of kids at these tryouts for 2021 that had reclassed. Just nuts. And won't they get pushed back up by next year with the new age based rules? I don't get it.
Wasn't at Express North try-outs, but Prime Time 2021 & 2020 teams could both be 50% holdbacks this year
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/26/16 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Numbers that showed up??
I think numbers looked down for Express North & Primetime but could be just for 2020 & 2021...not sure for other grade years. But at close to 75-100$ per try-out doesn't make much sense to try out for 3 or 4 teams anymore.


Looked to be a number of kids at these tryouts for 2021 that had reclassed. Just nuts. And won't they get pushed back up by next year with the new age based rules? I don't get it.
Wasn't at Express North try-outs, but Prime Time 2021 & 2020 teams could both be 50% holdbacks this year


Chasing that dream of $3,000 in scholarship money.....Maybe.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/26/16 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Numbers that showed up??
I think numbers looked down for Express North & Primetime but could be just for 2020 & 2021...not sure for other grade years. But at close to 75-100$ per try-out doesn't make much sense to try out for 3 or 4 teams anymore.


Looked to be a number of kids at these tryouts for 2021 that had reclassed. Just nuts. And won't they get pushed back up by next year with the new age based rules? I don't get it.
Wasn't at Express North try-outs, but Prime Time 2021 & 2020 teams could both be 50% holdbacks this year


I would be curious to know if the new age based rules will impact club programs. Are clubs somehow bound by the US lacrosse rules or can they just say screw it and keep doing things as they have already done? Nothing on the US lax site addresses this. Anyone have any insight?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/26/16 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Numbers that showed up??
I think numbers looked down for Express North & Primetime but could be just for 2020 & 2021...not sure for other grade years. But at close to 75-100$ per try-out doesn't make much sense to try out for 3 or 4 teams anymore.


Looked to be a number of kids at these tryouts for 2021 that had reclassed. Just nuts. And won't they get pushed back up by next year with the new age based rules? I don't get it.
Wasn't at Express North try-outs, but Prime Time 2021 & 2020 teams could both be 50% holdbacks this year


I would be curious to know if the new age based rules will impact club programs. Are clubs somehow bound by the US lacrosse rules or can they just say screw it and keep doing things as they have already done? Nothing on the US lax site addresses this. Anyone have any insight?


I could be wrong but if alliances create their own tournaments like NLF who cares what US Lacrosse says. they will do things as they see fit and why shouldn't they. As long as it is competitive lacrosse. You want like teams playing like teams who cares what the individual age is.

Although I get it as a parent, some dont want to play against older bigger stronger, and some even do the anti sportsmanship thing and prefer their offspring to play down, but my kid always played up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/27/16 11:08 PM

A lot of talent at tryouts today for Predators. They should be one of the top teams this year. Great consistant coaching every year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/28/16 02:46 AM

As far as age limits impacting clubs, no way. They are in it to win it. We'd all love to see the birthdates of kids playing clubs at tourneys. Only when teams face the WSYL birthdate issue will some teams adjust their rosters to keep major holdbacks off the roster, if the 9/1 rumors are true.

NLF was supposed to have asked for birthdate checks for their tourneys but what that entailed who knows. Their clubs are mainly holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/29/16 02:35 PM

Please note. Every club program is the greatest. Just ask them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/29/16 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please note. Every club program is the greatest. Just ask them.


Ah the ole Joe Flacco debate! What else do you expect them to say.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/29/16 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please note. Every club program is the greatest. Just ask them.


Ah the ole Joe Flacco debate! What else do you expect them to say.
What's lacking in Westchester is a solid B program, (or A, if you're now using the AA model). But I would guess nobody would want to brag about being the best 2nd Tier program
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/29/16 06:50 PM

tristate out of suny purchase is a solid A/B team, however you want to label it
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/29/16 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
tristate out of suny purchase is a solid A/B team, however you want to label it


Did they have good numbers yesterday? I just got an alert they reopened registration for day 2 of tryouts on Sept. 10.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/29/16 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please note. Every club program is the greatest. Just ask them.


Ah the ole Joe Flacco debate! What else do you expect them to say.


The pandering to the parents is sickening. And all the parents are there starry eyed dreaming of there kid's offer from Brown at age 13. None of these programs sets realistic expectations. The game used be fun.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/29/16 10:00 PM

Hey Westchester, how many holdback you have playing in Sect 1 this year. and does anyone know if Ct ever pass the by law about age for HS sports in CT.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 12:16 AM

In CT you cant turn 20 before 4/1 and play a sport.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
In CT you cant turn 20 before 4/1 and play a sport.


So you can be a 20 year old college freshman the following year. Or PG and be a 21 year old college freshman. Holy crow, you can play most of your lax season as a 20 year old senior if you birthday was4/2 wth.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please note. Every club program is the greatest. Just ask them.


Ah the ole Joe Flacco debate! What else do you expect them to say.


The pandering to the parents is sickening. And all the parents are there starry eyed dreaming of there kid's offer from Brown at age 13. None of these programs sets realistic expectations. The game used be fun.
Everything you say is absolutely true, but that 'pandering' also equates to running a business and giving the paying customer what they want, or think they want. The first thing Schreiber said at Express North try-out mini-parent meeting is; they are a business. He comes off like he doesn't agree with early recruiting, reclassifying, grade based, etc... but then goes on to say they are part of NLF, kids will see recruiters at an early age, everything that starry eyed parent wants to hear....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please note. Every club program is the greatest. Just ask them.


Ah the ole Joe Flacco debate! What else do you expect them to say.


The pandering to the parents is sickening. And all the parents are there starry eyed dreaming of there kid's offer from Brown at age 13. None of these programs sets realistic expectations. The game used be fun.
Everything you say is absolutely true, but that 'pandering' also equates to running a business and giving the paying customer what they want, or think they want. The first thing Schreiber said at Express North try-out mini-parent meeting is; they are a business. He comes off like he doesn't agree with early recruiting, reclassifying, grade based, etc... but then goes on to say they are part of NLF, kids will see recruiters at an early age, everything that starry eyed parent wants to hear....


I don't see anything wrong with that, gives honest opinion then gives the facts. You can have a feeling towards something and relay that message but also convey what is happening. reality vs perception.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am hearing that Primetime, which is based in Lewisboro, and has been traditionally very strong, is no longer going to be able to call John Jay HS their home. It seems like they are scrambling for field space and have not let anyone know where that may be. This could change alot of the dynamic as I am hearing Express North is calling the Harvey School in Katonah, their new home, Does anyone know where Prime Time will be going? some are saying down County but not confirmed

On. 8/15 A new location for tryouts was announced. Don't know where practices will be held.


Not sure where practices will be, but second day of tryouts are at Purchase. The SUNY must be making some good coin as it seems nearly every travel team is having tryouts on campus on the 30th.


Westchester Warriors, they play out of Kennedy Catholic HS. As we always see new teams come and go this may have some staying power. Good directors a school who has joined Catholic league, some good coaches could this gain traction?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please note. Every club program is the greatest. Just ask them.


Ah the ole Joe Flacco debate! What else do you expect them to say.


The pandering to the parents is sickening. And all the parents are there starry eyed dreaming of there kid's offer from Brown at age 13. None of these programs sets realistic expectations. The game used be fun.
Everything you say is absolutely true, but that 'pandering' also equates to running a business and giving the paying customer what they want, or think they want. The first thing Schreiber said at Express North try-out mini-parent meeting is; they are a business. He comes off like he doesn't agree with early recruiting, reclassifying, grade based, etc... but then goes on to say they are part of NLF, kids will see recruiters at an early age, everything that starry eyed parent wants to hear....


I don't see anything wrong with that, gives honest opinion then gives the facts. You can have a feeling towards something and relay that message but also convey what is happening. reality vs perception.


I totally appreciate the honesty and that it is a business but the part that is always left out, especially for parents of younger kids, is that these programs are highly competitive and are geared towards grooming D1 players and that many of you will be playing elsewhere in a few years unless your child is exceptional. And that generally means an outstanding stick, very fast and big.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 02:30 PM

IF YOUR GOAL IS TO PLAY college lacrosse at any level- it is no surprise that primetime, express north are geared toward that level of exposure , tristate, warriors, and town affiliated type programs can do the trick, but are not geared towards the best 10 players , in front of the best college s at the best tourneys etc. for now that is the way it is, although that is rapidly changing with the growth of new teams
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am hearing that Primetime, which is based in Lewisboro, and has been traditionally very strong, is no longer going to be able to call John Jay HS their home. It seems like they are scrambling for field space and have not let anyone know where that may be. This could change alot of the dynamic as I am hearing Express North is calling the Harvey School in Katonah, their new home, Does anyone know where Prime Time will be going? some are saying down County but not confirmed

On. 8/15 A new location for tryouts was announced. Don't know where practices will be held.


Not sure where practices will be, but second day of tryouts are at Purchase. The SUNY must be making some good coin as it seems nearly every travel team is having tryouts on campus on the 30th.


Westchester Warriors, they play out of Kennedy Catholic HS. As we always see new teams come and go this may have some staying power. Good directors a school who has joined Catholic league, some good coaches could this gain traction?
I hope so. Northern Westchester needs solid B+ type of program that is not just focused on early D1 recruiting, but actually teach the game the way it's meant to be played. (Team centric vs. showcasing individuals). I think Tri State 91 does this well in southern Westchester. Warriors had decent but not great numbers show for their first try-out. (Although very few 2019)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
IF YOUR GOAL IS TO PLAY college lacrosse at any level- it is no surprise that primetime, express north are geared toward that level of exposure , tristate, warriors, and town affiliated type programs can do the trick, but are not geared towards the best 10 players , in front of the best college s at the best tourneys etc. for now that is the way it is, although that is rapidly changing with the growth of new teams
And with that being said it would not surprise me from what I saw the past 2 weeks that Express North & PT 9th grade teams (2020) are made up of close to 50- 75% reclassified kids. (and it's always entertaining to hear these parents say they didn't reclassify their kids for lacrosse purposes) So yes, I hope there is a growth of new teams for that next tier of player.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 03:22 PM

how often are the best 5th /6th graders lets say- still the best in 9th grade? does it carry through ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
how often are the best 5th /6th graders lets say- still the best in 9th grade? does it carry through ?
that really depends, on the individual player's physical maturation, and then when hitting 9th grade for the elite lacrosse programs there is large influx of reclassified kids who may be 1 - 1 1/2 years older.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 04:11 PM

DO KIDS JUST SAY - IM GONNA do a pg year and then play a year down ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
IF YOUR GOAL IS TO PLAY college lacrosse at any level- it is no surprise that primetime, express north are geared toward that level of exposure , tristate, warriors, and town affiliated type programs can do the trick, but are not geared towards the best 10 players , in front of the best college s at the best tourneys etc. for now that is the way it is, although that is rapidly changing with the growth of new teams
You're absolutely right when it comes to Prime Time and Express. But it's also interesting to see how well Yorktown Ballers are placing their top players, while integrating mid level players which enables the High School to maintain it's dominance in Westchester. An interesting analysis I heard in the spring from a HS coach when Fox Lane was upset by Mahopac 2 years in a row, and John Jay not really competitive with Yorktown in recent years is part of the Prime Time Effect. (High Scoring Top recruits who are unable to play the team game when it matters most.) That being said , Prime Time does work really hard to get their players recruited which I guess in the end matters the most.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 05:06 PM

the Primetime john jay way is great for recruiting, but horrible for the town- they have always focused on the top 5 kids in each grade and not on building the foundation of the youth program. at the younger ages in john jay- only a small fraction of kids play travel at any level. and rest do whatever. this is often a problem when travel and town are somewhat connected. kids that are not capable of playing travel will fall behind and quit at a young age, other towns are doing it smarter at the younger ages and keeping kids playing together - when a childs only instructional option outside the town season is Primetime, it makes it harder to build that foundation
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 05:26 PM

My kid needs to put on some size in order to compete. He's already re-classed but he needs a bit more help. Any of these teams have a doctor on staff to administer human growth hormone?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
DO KIDS JUST SAY - IM GONNA do a pg year and then play a year down ?
Usually a PG year is someone repeating senior year at a Prep School whereas reclassifying usually happens in 8th/9th grade when first enrolling at a Prep High School. Because lacrosse is grade based and not age based it will always look like playing down....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My kid needs to put on some size in order to compete. He's already re-classed but he needs a bit more help. Any of these teams have a doctor on staff to administer human growth hormone?
Might have to travel to Baltimore and join the Crabs Travel program...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
the Primetime john jay way is great for recruiting, but horrible for the town- they have always focused on the top 5 kids in each grade and not on building the foundation of the youth program. at the younger ages in john jay- only a small fraction of kids play travel at any level. and rest do whatever. this is often a problem when travel and town are somewhat connected. kids that are not capable of playing travel will fall behind and quit at a young age, other towns are doing it smarter at the younger ages and keeping kids playing together - when a childs only instructional option outside the town season is Primetime, it makes it harder to build that foundation
Which is a shame because the Bocklet's helped build that original foundation idea you mention, but has since disappeared.
Posted By: Bladerunner

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 07:57 PM

Another stupid, uniformed post. Primetime and John Jay are not connected. Primetime is a business run by a former John Jay player and they take the best players, does not matter if you play for John Jay. I'm guessing your kid was cut by them....there are so many options for kids of all ages; Superstar, American Lax Academy, House of Sports, Team 91, Express North, Warriors, Brewster Sports Center, Danbury Sports...and the list goes on.
Quote " when a childs only instructional option outside the town season is Primetime, it makes it harder to build that foundation"
Well if that is the case it is a lazy parents fault, I just listed all of the above options and I'm sure I forgot some.
Another post from a C level parent that is bitter towards the world because his kid can't make an A team or a team like Primetime or Express.....May be time to move on to Choir or some non-athletic activity or just suck it up and play at the B/C level where your kid belongs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Bladerunner
Another stupid, uniformed post. Primetime and John Jay are not connected. Primetime is a business run by a former John Jay player and they take the best players, does not matter if you play for John Jay. I'm guessing your kid was cut by them....there are so many options for kids of all ages; Superstar, American Lax Academy, House of Sports, Team 91, Express North, Warriors, Brewster Sports Center, Danbury Sports...and the list goes on.
Quote " when a childs only instructional option outside the town season is Primetime, it makes it harder to build that foundation"
Well if that is the case it is a lazy parents fault, I just listed all of the above options and I'm sure I forgot some.
Another post from a C level parent that is bitter towards the world because his kid can't make an A team or a team like Primetime or Express.....May be time to move on to Choir or some non-athletic activity or just suck it up and play at the B/C level where your kid belongs.


Man that is angry. I'm not the one that made the post you are criticizing but I'm thinking you need some medication. I didn't think the JJ post was as critical as you read it but even if it is I think you are a bit too caught up in your own son's lacrosse prowess. If you have a son that is an A,B or C player and think that alone is going to define where they end up in life, I just feel bad for you. Most of the kids accepted to Princeton will not be athletes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 08:59 PM

Lots of people on this board criticizing programs, they need to look in the mirror. Go out and practice, stop blaming others for your shortcomings
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Bladerunner
Another stupid, uniformed post. Primetime and John Jay are not connected. Primetime is a business run by a former John Jay player and they take the best players, does not matter if you play for John Jay. I'm guessing your kid was cut by them....there are so many options for kids of all ages; Superstar, American Lax Academy, House of Sports, Team 91, Express North, Warriors, Brewster Sports Center, Danbury Sports...and the list goes on.
Quote " when a childs only instructional option outside the town season is Primetime, it makes it harder to build that foundation"
Well if that is the case it is a lazy parents fault, I just listed all of the above options and I'm sure I forgot some.
Another post from a C level parent that is bitter towards the world because his kid can't make an A team or a team like Primetime or Express.....May be time to move on to Choir or some non-athletic activity or just suck it up and play at the B/C level where your kid belongs.


Says the dad from "Lower Westchester" that has a hold back on the team. Although he may be half right, the turnaround could be attributed to coaching changes not club strategies.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Bladerunner
Another stupid, uniformed post. Primetime and John Jay are not connected. Primetime is a business run by a former John Jay player and they take the best players, does not matter if you play for John Jay. I'm guessing your kid was cut by them....there are so many options for kids of all ages; Superstar, American Lax Academy, House of Sports, Team 91, Express North, Warriors, Brewster Sports Center, Danbury Sports...and the list goes on.
Quote " when a childs only instructional option outside the town season is Primetime, it makes it harder to build that foundation"
Well if that is the case it is a lazy parents fault, I just listed all of the above options and I'm sure I forgot some.
Another post from a C level parent that is bitter towards the world because his kid can't make an A team or a team like Primetime or Express.....May be time to move on to Choir or some non-athletic activity or just suck it up and play at the B/C level where your kid belongs.
I guess if you were a bit more informed, you would have added, "run by a former John Jay player AND current JJ Varsity assistant coach". But that's ok you still get my vote for Lacrosse Dad of the Year vs the rest of the lazy B & C parents that must be out there. Btw. my original post was just an appreciation for the job the Yorktown Ballers do with all level of players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/30/16 10:12 PM

Well that makes a lot of sense....the top youth kids don't even play for the ballers and in HS the kids have basically been forced to play for them by Marr...but that's ok right?? No conflict there!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 11:18 AM

Any truth to the rumor that North 2022 team imploded over the summer? Played in B and then moved to A and got crushed so they brought in some ringers from LI to win games with 30 kids on team? Heard a bunch of kids never saw the field.....CS just trying to win games to make program look good and forcing coach to sit kids?? If true sounds terrible but somewhat expected
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 11:58 AM

that story is 10000000% accurate about north22 - 1/2 the team or more went to the warriors
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 12:06 PM

stupid and uninformed? your on crack, lets look at the facts here - yes Prime time and John Jay youth are separate organizations. one is for profit, one is not- however they are essentially run by the same people, Daniello, Lupinacci , macmahon. all of the paid pt coaches are also the same ones coaching youth . my point regarding john jay youth is very simple- when a child is forced to seek additional instruction, he or she must pay a travel organization to get that instruction. that price is often a premium. other towns are offering additional training for a reasonable price which naturally attracts more kids given the nature of a multi sport athlete that plays more than one sport . john jay should be offering winter training, fogo, goaltending and they don't. if you want to build an empire, you need to have as many kids playing as possible for a reasonable price. it is that simple, other towns are doing it, jjyl is not . look at towns like Yorktown, garden city, Manhasset, they all try and keep the kids from the town playing together
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 12:22 PM

sounds like you have the wrong club
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
stupid and uninformed? your on crack, lets look at the facts here - yes Prime time and John Jay youth are separate organizations. one is for profit, one is not- however they are essentially run by the same people, Daniello, Lupinacci , macmahon. all of the paid pt coaches are also the same ones coaching youth . my point regarding john jay youth is very simple- when a child is forced to seek additional instruction, he or she must pay a travel organization to get that instruction. that price is often a premium. other towns are offering additional training for a reasonable price which naturally attracts more kids given the nature of a multi sport athlete that plays more than one sport . john jay should be offering winter training, fogo, goaltending and they don't. if you want to build an empire, you need to have as many kids playing as possible for a reasonable price. it is that simple, other towns are doing it, jjyl is not . look at towns like Yorktown, garden city, Manhasset, they all try and keep the kids from the town playing together


My kid plays for the JJ youth program and your facts are simply wrong. As far as I know Lupinacci and macmahon don't run primtime only Daniello does so thats simply incorrect. And my kid did attend fogo training by JJ, they brought the lizards guy in to teach and it helped tremendously. I also understand they hold goalie training with one of the varsity coaches every week, I also just signed my kid up for the JJ fall clinics run by the varsity guys. Winter is run by parents at Brewster. There are many, many options for the kids, my kid also goes to Colsey's program every week to workk on box skills. Your facts are just flat out wrong, sounds like a disgruntled parent or former coach that was replaced by a superior paid coach.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
that story is 10000000% accurate about north22 - 1/2 the team or more went to the warriors


Maybe that is the right place....stepping down from a B program to a C at best program would be a good choice for those kids that are still developmental. I was at warriors tryouts, they are getting all the kids that can't make the other programs. Hopefully NS and VS can find some C level tournaments to go win and brag about it on social media!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 01:32 PM

that's funny - no one I know got special goalie training this year or fogo training from the beast and lupinacci is co director of primetime, also sits on the board of jjyl and gets paid to schedule - and jjyl is extremely expensive relative to it s peers so obviously you haven't stopped drinking the cool aid - does every grade get the Brewster winter option?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 01:37 PM

THE SAVASTANO BROTHERS ARE very well respected , this is their first year , it will a good program and will thrive as it becomes more established, they got a late start and still managed to put it together - don't be so negative
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
that's funny - no one I know got special goalie training this year or fogo training from the beast and lupinacci is co director of primetime, also sits on the board of jjyl and gets paid to schedule - and jjyl is extremely expensive relative to it s peers so obviously you haven't stopped drinking the cool aid - does every grade get the Brewster winter option?


I heard they are expensive because they have all paid coaches now, no more Dad's which I wish they would do in our town where Johnny's Dad has the team feed him the ball for goals!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 01:45 PM

Didn't they coach for express north this past summer?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any truth to the rumor that North 2022 team imploded over the summer? Played in B and then moved to A and got crushed so they brought in some ringers from LI to win games with 30 kids on team? Heard a bunch of kids never saw the field.....CS just trying to win games to make program look good and forcing coach to sit kids?? If true sounds terrible but somewhat expected


May or may not be true but would be out of character with the older North teams who are some of the leanest club teams around - run with 20 kids tops
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 02:13 PM

paid coaches is great at the older ages, but you do tend to lose the ability for that one dad or dads to keep the kiods playing together before or after the season when that paid coach, goes about his business
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well that makes a lot of sense....the top youth kids don't even play for the ballers and in HS the kids have basically been forced to play for them by Marr...but that's ok right?? No conflict there!
While you're absolutely right about a conflict of interest, that does seem to run prevalent in the lacrosse world with HS coaches running programs or coaching summer teams. Colsey/Ridgefield/Superstars Bruce/Brunswick/Two-Way Daniello/Prime-Time/JJ etc. I'd be curious to the Yorktown player and parent point of view. I just see the results of a winning (dominant?) high school program where the kids are playing the best teams on LI and Jersey while advancing to state play-off games and the top players seem to be (some early) committed to top colleges. Again, my first post had more to do with how programs (high school/summer) incorporate or improve that mid-level player...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
THE SAVASTANO BROTHERS ARE very well respected , this is their first year , it will a good program and will thrive as it becomes more established, they got a late start and still managed to put it together - don't be so negative
Agree !!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
paid coaches is great at the older ages, but you do tend to lose the ability for that one dad or dads to keep the kiods playing together before or after the season when that paid coach, goes about his business


How do you lose that ability? Why can't that one dad or dad's pull together the kids and go practice on a field or schedule a scrimmage with someone? It's all about stepping up, a lot of talk no action from most people.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 03:12 PM

Because coaches don't want dad's involved. They want control of the message.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 03:38 PM

Makes no sense, you just said paid coaches move on. Get a life.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well that makes a lot of sense....the top youth kids don't even play for the ballers and in HS the kids have basically been forced to play for them by Marr...but that's ok right?? No conflict there!
While you're absolutely right about a conflict of interest, that does seem to run prevalent in the lacrosse world with HS coaches running programs or coaching summer teams. Colsey/Ridgefield/Superstars Bruce/Brunswick/Two-Way Daniello/Prime-Time/JJ etc. I'd be curious to the Yorktown player and parent point of view. I just see the results of a winning (dominant?) high school program where the kids are playing the best teams on LI and Jersey while advancing to state play-off games and the top players seem to be (some early) committed to top colleges. Again, my first post had more to do with how programs (high school/summer) incorporate or improve that mid-level player...


be careful what you wish for, is the grass greener because it is watered and cared for, or they just use different manure.

Those Li and Nj program you talk about have there issues and distractions as well
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
IF YOUR GOAL IS TO PLAY college lacrosse at any level- it is no surprise that primetime, express north are geared toward that level of exposure , tristate, warriors, and town affiliated type programs can do the trick, but are not geared towards the best 10 players , in front of the best college s at the best tourneys etc. for now that is the way it is, although that is rapidly changing with the growth of new teams
You're absolutely right when it comes to Prime Time and Express. But it's also interesting to see how well Yorktown Ballers are placing their top players, while integrating mid level players which enables the High School to maintain it's dominance in Westchester. An interesting analysis I heard in the spring from a HS coach when Fox Lane was upset by Mahopac 2 years in a row, and John Jay not really competitive with Yorktown in recent years is part of the Prime Time Effect. (High Scoring Top recruits who are unable to play the team game when it matters most.) That being said , Prime Time does work really hard to get their players recruited which I guess in the end matters the most.


Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well that makes a lot of sense....the top youth kids don't even play for the ballers and in HS the kids have basically been forced to play for them by Marr...but that's ok right?? No conflict there!
While you're absolutely right about a conflict of interest, that does seem to run prevalent in the lacrosse world with HS coaches running programs or coaching summer teams. Colsey/Ridgefield/Superstars Bruce/Brunswick/Two-Way Daniello/Prime-Time/JJ etc. I'd be curious to the Yorktown player and parent point of view. I just see the results of a winning (dominant?) high school program where the kids are playing the best teams on LI and Jersey while advancing to state play-off games and the top players seem to be (some early) committed to top colleges. Again, my first post had more to do with how programs (high school/summer) incorporate or improve that mid-level player...


Marr is a great coach, I don't believe he is involved in the administration of Ballers program. Its not right to smear his name on this board.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 04:12 PM

Makes no sense, you just said paid coaches move on. Get a life.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 04:24 PM

Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??



You got me hook line and sinker

Who takes credit for that, HS or club? Just like North Rockland Kid earlier this year, HS or Club?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
that story is 10000000% accurate about north22 - 1/2 the team or more went to the warriors


The one's that left were not very good, will not be missed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??
although I'm guessing LI Express would like to take the credit for this
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??


Kids getting recruited isn't a singular transaction, its a long process of teaching and coaching.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??


Pretty sure the Yorktown 2019 plays for Express North, as do several others
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??



You got me hook line and sinker

Who takes credit for that, HS or club? Just like North Rockland Kid earlier this year, HS or Club?


Who gets credit? The player for working hard, parents for their DNA and dedicating time to the player, coaches starting in youth program (Yorktown may be the best around), club coaches and HS coaches. I think each experience is different. Did the player go to a showcase? How did he get invited? Was he seen at the showcase? etc. But, I'm sure the clubs will gladly take the credit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??


Pretty sure the Yorktown 2019 plays for Express North, as do several others


A father's dream fulfilled.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 08/31/16 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??



You got me hook line and sinker

Who takes credit for that, HS or club? Just like North Rockland Kid earlier this year, HS or Club?


Who gets credit? The player for working hard, parents for their DNA and dedicating time to the player, coaches starting in youth program (Yorktown may be the best around), club coaches and HS coaches. I think each experience is different. Did the player go to a showcase? How did he get invited? Was he seen at the showcase? etc. But, I'm sure the clubs will gladly take the credit.


Takes and gets are different.

Kid (and yes parents) gets and deserves credit, absolutely. Who else deserves credit who knows. Maybe other family members; siblings, aunts, uncles cousins. Youth Coach maybe but not always, please stop that. Be proud you coached the player, player should always give thanks and S/O to youth coach but to take credit not so sure. Club coaches maybe a bit more depending on the club, HS not sure this day and age.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/01/16 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any truth to the rumor that North 2022 team imploded over the summer? Played in B and then moved to A and got crushed so they brought in some ringers from LI to win games with 30 kids on team? Heard a bunch of kids never saw the field.....CS just trying to win games to make program look good and forcing coach to sit kids?? If true sounds terrible but somewhat expected


Imploded? Far from it. That's the problem with rumors.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/01/16 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??



You got me hook line and sinker

Who takes credit for that, HS or club? Just like North Rockland Kid earlier this year, HS or Club?


Who gets credit? Are you serious? Is there any chance a few of you meatheads can celebrate the accomplishments of the youth in our area as opposed to always sniping and decrying and turning everything into a negative thread?

Congrats to the Yorktown kid, I'm sure he worked hard, practiced his butt off and got plenty of great coaching. Congrats to Yorktown, a lacrosse powerhouse that keeps producing lacrosse talent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??



You got me hook line and sinker

Who takes credit for that, HS or club? Just like North Rockland Kid earlier this year, HS or Club?


Who gets credit? Are you serious? Is there any chance a few of you meatheads can celebrate the accomplishments of the youth in our area as opposed to always sniping and decrying and turning everything into a negative thread?

Congrats to the Yorktown kid, I'm sure he worked hard, practiced his butt off and got plenty of great coaching. Congrats to Yorktown, a lacrosse powerhouse that keeps producing lacrosse talent.
always appreciate when a self righteous Archie Bunker type scolds the forum. No one belittled the accomplishments of the early recruit and , if one took the time to read the thread, it began with a discussion about the Yorktown Ballers and their influence on the dominance of the Yorktown HS program. But in this recent age of early recruitment, club teams obviously play a role and they certainly like to promote and advertise how many commitments they have. In this case , I believe Express North.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 11:36 AM

My son was offered a spot on Express North 2021A. He played somewhere else last summer and it was not great. Recognizing that this is really a B team I am concerned about paying big money to find out that the team is horrendous. I don't need it to be AA ball but I need it not to suck. Any insight on that team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son was offered a spot on Express North 2021A. He played somewhere else last summer and it was not great. Recognizing that this is really a B team I am concerned about paying big money to find out that the team is horrendous. I don't need it to be AA ball but I need it not to suck. Any insight on that team?


What is your sons position? (it matters)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son was offered a spot on Express North 2021A. He played somewhere else last summer and it was not great. Recognizing that this is really a B team I am concerned about paying big money to find out that the team is horrendous. I don't need it to be AA ball but I need it not to suck. Any insight on that team?
From experience with North 2020 A, it will depend on the coaches, ours were a bit more rah rah than the intensity of the AA, which was fine for our team. I'm guessing will be playing in the more local tournaments of LI and Ct. and will be one of the better teams at those tournaments. Personally, wouldn't look at it as a B team, although it is the second team of Express North. The coaching is more 'adult' (age wise) than other Westchester programs. My son didn't make either AA or A this year, despite the cost Express North's reputation and talent is only getting stronger compared to other Northern Westchester programs
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son was offered a spot on Express North 2021A. He played somewhere else last summer and it was not great. Recognizing that this is really a B team I am concerned about paying big money to find out that the team is horrendous. I don't need it to be AA ball but I need it not to suck. Any insight on that team?


What is your sons position? (it matters)


Mid. By what should that matter if I'm trying to gauge the team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 01:32 PM

Are you looking for your son to be recruited, or just play at a higher level and improve his skills?

If you are looking for your son to improve his skills, you need to know the credentials of the "A" coach and weigh that against any alternatives your son may have.

If you are looking for your son to get recruited, you need to find out what tournaments the team will play in. For the most part, the level of tournaments an "A" team is entered into will not attract many college coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son was offered a spot on Express North 2021A. He played somewhere else last summer and it was not great. Recognizing that this is really a B team I am concerned about paying big money to find out that the team is horrendous. I don't need it to be AA ball but I need it not to suck. Any insight on that team?


What is your sons position? (it matters)


Mid. By what should that matter if I'm trying to gauge the team?


Regardless of the team strength, middies and defense will see plenty of action. Sometimes attack on weaker teams rarely see the ball. So, if game experience matters, middies will always be in the mix. Are coaches experienced and committed? My oldest played on a team years ago that had two of the top players fresh out of college coaching the team and they didn't yet know how to coach. Great former players that needed to learn the coaching aspect of the game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??


Pretty sure the Yorktown 2019 plays for Express North, as do several others


He also plays for Yorktown Ballers.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son was offered a spot on Express North 2021A. He played somewhere else last summer and it was not great. Recognizing that this is really a B team I am concerned about paying big money to find out that the team is horrendous. I don't need it to be AA ball but I need it not to suck. Any insight on that team?


What is your sons position? (it matters)


Mid. By what should that matter if I'm trying to gauge the team?


Strong potential for them to suck. You just never know. Some chatter among the AA 2021 parents that some kids on the AA team because of politics/relationships and not for ability.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 06:23 PM

Express North 2021 is a mid level B team...don't be fooled.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express North 2021 is a mid level B team...don't be fooled.


Absolutely not true.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express North 2021 is a mid level B team...don't be fooled.


And you know this because?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 08:41 PM

Prime Time 2020 could just as well be called PT2020 Re-Classified next summer, except for maybe 3 or 4 kids, made up of all hold-backs. Should have a better record this time around.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 09:12 PM

Problem is with reclass at this age is...
If you couldn't make it at 2019 you probably just not thay good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 10:28 PM

Because the first tournament of the summer at HHH in Pa. They got shellacked, after that the coach put the team in A level brackets. Nothing wrong with putting the kids in brackets where they will play other players comparable to their ability. Feel free to ask one of one the Ytown coaches. They are good guys building good players/team. Schreiber is doing a fantastic job at Express North.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 10:46 PM

No hold backs for PT 2021 just the best players from Greenwhich who are older than their NY counterparts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
No hold backs for PT 2021 just the best players from Greenwhich who are older than their NY counterparts.


which means they are holdbacks! I'm sure it's due to "academic" reasons in Kindergarten, lol! No worries they still won't be able to compete with the elite! Westchester kids are soft
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/02/16 11:41 PM

I thought the best players from Greenwich and CT. played for Eclipse?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/16 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because the first tournament of the summer at HHH in Pa. They got shellacked, after that the coach put the team in A level brackets. Nothing wrong with putting the kids in brackets where they will play other players comparable to their ability. Feel free to ask one of one the Ytown coaches. They are good guys building good players/team. Schreiber is doing a fantastic job at Express North.


We won our last tournament on LI beating teams that had won other tournaments, including the Edge from Canada. The team progressed more than I've seen with any other team. Good players, good coaches= fun summer. My son is more skilled, more confident and really head and shoulders above his town teammates. The time and money has been worth it. Yes, it helps to have Yorktown guys coaching the players. They know their stuff and are passionate.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/16 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because the first tournament of the summer at HHH in Pa. They got shellacked, after that the coach put the team in A level brackets. Nothing wrong with putting the kids in brackets where they will play other players comparable to their ability. Feel free to ask one of one the Ytown coaches. They are good guys building good players/team. Schreiber is doing a fantastic job at Express North.


We won our last tournament on LI beating teams that had won other tournaments, including the Edge from Canada. The team progressed more than I've seen with any other team. Good players, good coaches= fun summer. My son is more skilled, more confident and really head and shoulders above his town teammates. The time and money has been worth it. Yes, it helps to have Yorktown guys coaching the players. They know their stuff and are passionate.


We? Are you one of the Yorktown coaches or just a dad living vicariously through his son and now considers himself on the team? How much Express clothing do you personally own?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/16 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
No hold backs for PT 2021 just the best players from Greenwhich who are older than their NY counterparts.


Is this a joke? Plenty of hold backs on that team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/16 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No hold backs for PT 2021 just the best players from Greenwhich who are older than their NY counterparts.


Is this a joke? Plenty of hold backs on that team.


Exactly. Who is anyone kidding.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/16 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because the first tournament of the summer at HHH in Pa. They got shellacked, after that the coach put the team in A level brackets. Nothing wrong with putting the kids in brackets where they will play other players comparable to their ability. Feel free to ask one of one the Ytown coaches. They are good guys building good players/team. Schreiber is doing a fantastic job at Express North.


We won our last tournament on LI beating teams that had won other tournaments, including the Edge from Canada. The team progressed more than I've seen with any other team. Good players, good coaches= fun summer. My son is more skilled, more confident and really head and shoulders above his town teammates. The time and money has been worth it. Yes, it helps to have Yorktown guys coaching the players. They know their stuff and are passionate.


This team won NLF 2021B. Stop kidding yourself. While these boys played well, they did not play the better teams that were in the A division. Stop spouting off about winning a tournament on LI. Time for a reality check.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/16 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because the first tournament of the summer at HHH in Pa. They got shellacked, after that the coach put the team in A level brackets. Nothing wrong with putting the kids in brackets where they will play other players comparable to their ability. Feel free to ask one of one the Ytown coaches. They are good guys building good players/team. Schreiber is doing a fantastic job at Express North.


We won our last tournament on LI beating teams that had won other tournaments, including the Edge from Canada. The team progressed more than I've seen with any other team. Good players, good coaches= fun summer. My son is more skilled, more confident and really head and shoulders above his town teammates. The time and money has been worth it. Yes, it helps to have Yorktown guys coaching the players. They know their stuff and are passionate.


This team won NLF 2021B. Stop kidding yourself. While these boys played well, they did not play the better teams that were in the A division. Stop spouting off about winning a tournament on LI. Time for a reality check.
And this is exactly what's wrong with youth lacrosse today. If you're not winning AA tournaments with a team half filled with holdbacks, then you might as well not play summer lacrosse. Otherwise the Lacrosse Daddy Police will knock you back down.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/16 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No hold backs for PT 2021 just the best players from Greenwhich who are older than their NY counterparts.


Is this a joke? Plenty of hold backs on that team.


Exactly. Who is anyone kidding.
Daniello should move his PT program to the Brunswick campus. Most of the holdbacks are from there, and perhaps then they would show up for the practices and clinics,instead of not making the trek to northern Westchester.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/16 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because the first tournament of the summer at HHH in Pa. They got shellacked, after that the coach put the team in A level brackets. Nothing wrong with putting the kids in brackets where they will play other players comparable to their ability. Feel free to ask one of one the Ytown coaches. They are good guys building good players/team. Schreiber is doing a fantastic job at Express North.


We won our last tournament on LI beating teams that had won other tournaments, including the Edge from Canada. The team progressed more than I've seen with any other team. Good players, good coaches= fun summer. My son is more skilled, more confident and really head and shoulders above his town teammates. The time and money has been worth it. Yes, it helps to have Yorktown guys coaching the players. They know their stuff and are passionate.


This team won NLF 2021B. Stop kidding yourself. While these boys played well, they did not play the better teams that were in the A division. Stop spouting off about winning a tournament on LI. Time for a reality check.

And this is exactly what's wrong with youth lacrosse today. If you're not winning AA tournaments with a team half filled with holdbacks, then you might as well not play summer lacrosse. Otherwise the Lacrosse Daddy Police will knock you back down.


What is wrong is misleading other people about the current ability of a team. I never said lacrosse should only be played at an "AA" level. Just that you should stop exaggerating and bragging about winning a B tournament. Also, I guarantee Express North has more hold backs than any 2021 team on LI. Additionally, I understand that some kids on an "A" or "B" team will continue to grow and develop and will eventually surpass kids on "AA" teams. My only point is stop bragging and misleading readers. Only knocking you down, not your boy. Only wish the best for him and his teammates.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/16 08:28 PM

Look at who returned to that team. Not many players from last year and coach is gone. Imploded is a fact. 3rd coach in 3 years for that team
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/16 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because the first tournament of the summer at HHH in Pa. They got shellacked, after that the coach put the team in A level brackets. Nothing wrong with putting the kids in brackets where they will play other players comparable to their ability. Feel free to ask one of one the Ytown coaches. They are good guys building good players/team. Schreiber is doing a fantastic job at Express North.


We won our last tournament on LI beating teams that had won other tournaments, including the Edge from Canada. The team progressed more than I've seen with any other team. Good players, good coaches= fun summer. My son is more skilled, more confident and really head and shoulders above his town teammates. The time and money has been worth it. Yes, it helps to have Yorktown guys coaching the players. They know their stuff and are passionate.


We? Are you one of the Yorktown coaches or just a dad living vicariously through his son and now considers himself on the team? How much Express clothing do you personally own?



Proud Dad living vicariously through my son. I had my 11 years of playing lacrosse. Great experience and lifelong friends. I'm a "we" kinda guy. I guess you're a sad little guy who didn't have those great experiences? Lighten up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/16 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because the first tournament of the summer at HHH in Pa. They got shellacked, after that the coach put the team in A level brackets. Nothing wrong with putting the kids in brackets where they will play other players comparable to their ability. Feel free to ask one of one the Ytown coaches. They are good guys building good players/team. Schreiber is doing a fantastic job at Express North.


We won our last tournament on LI beating teams that had won other tournaments, including the Edge from Canada. The team progressed more than I've seen with any other team. Good players, good coaches= fun summer. My son is more skilled, more confident and really head and shoulders above his town teammates. The time and money has been worth it. Yes, it helps to have Yorktown guys coaching the players. They know their stuff and are passionate.


This team won NLF 2021B. Stop kidding yourself. While these boys played well, they did not play the better teams that were in the A division. Stop spouting off about winning a tournament on LI. Time for a reality check.

And this is exactly what's wrong with youth lacrosse today. If you're not winning AA tournaments with a team half filled with holdbacks, then you might as well not play summer lacrosse. Otherwise the Lacrosse Daddy Police will knock you back down.


What is wrong is misleading other people about the current ability of a team. I never said lacrosse should only be played at an "AA" level. Just that you should stop exaggerating and bragging about winning a B tournament. Also, I guarantee Express North has more hold backs than any 2021 team on LI. Additionally, I understand that some kids on an "A" or "B" team will continue to grow and develop and will eventually surpass kids on "AA" teams. My only point is stop bragging and misleading readers. Only knocking you down, not your boy. Only wish the best for him and his teammates.


You are an idiot not worthy of a serious response. This is indeed what's wrong with youth lacrosse. Adolf Lax decides what tournament wins are worthy of praise. I don't see the poster bragging nor deceiving.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/16 10:44 PM

Pt2021 was a low level A team and they beat Express North by more than 10 goals.

Pt just upgraded their Defense so we'll see how they do next summer. they have a very one dimensional offense...which doesn't work playing the better teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/03/16 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because the first tournament of the summer at HHH in Pa. They got shellacked, after that the coach put the team in A level brackets. Nothing wrong with putting the kids in brackets where they will play other players comparable to their ability. Feel free to ask one of one the Ytown coaches. They are good guys building good players/team. Schreiber is doing a fantastic job at Express North.


We won our last tournament on LI beating teams that had won other tournaments, including the Edge from Canada. The team progressed more than I've seen with any other team. Good players, good coaches= fun summer. My son is more skilled, more confident and really head and shoulders above his town teammates. The time and money has been worth it. Yes, it helps to have Yorktown guys coaching the players. They know their stuff and are passionate.


This team won NLF 2021B. Stop kidding yourself. While these boys played well, they did not play the better teams that were in the A division. Stop spouting off about winning a tournament on LI. Time for a reality check.

And this is exactly what's wrong with youth lacrosse today. If you're not winning AA tournaments with a team half filled with holdbacks, then you might as well not play summer lacrosse. Otherwise the Lacrosse Daddy Police will knock you back down.


What is wrong is misleading other people about the current ability of a team. I never said lacrosse should only be played at an "AA" level. Just that you should stop exaggerating and bragging about winning a B tournament. Also, I guarantee Express North has more hold backs than any 2021 team on LI. Additionally, I understand that some kids on an "A" or "B" team will continue to grow and develop and will eventually surpass kids on "AA" teams. My only point is stop bragging and misleading readers. Only knocking you down, not your boy. Only wish the best for him and his teammates.


You are an idiot not worthy of a serious response. This is indeed what's wrong with youth lacrosse. Adolf Lax decides what tournament wins are worthy of praise. I don't see the poster bragging nor deceiving.


Typical over reaction from you again.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/04/16 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because the first tournament of the summer at HHH in Pa. They got shellacked, after that the coach put the team in A level brackets. Nothing wrong with putting the kids in brackets where they will play other players comparable to their ability. Feel free to ask one of one the Ytown coaches. They are good guys building good players/team. Schreiber is doing a fantastic job at Express North.


We won our last tournament on LI beating teams that had won other tournaments, including the Edge from Canada. The team progressed more than I've seen with any other team. Good players, good coaches= fun summer. My son is more skilled, more confident and really head and shoulders above his town teammates. The time and money has been worth it. Yes, it helps to have Yorktown guys coaching the players. They know their stuff and are passionate.


We? Are you one of the Yorktown coaches or just a dad living vicariously through his son and now considers himself on the team? How much Express clothing do you personally own?



Proud Dad living vicariously through my son. I had my 11 years of playing lacrosse. Great experience and lifelong friends. I'm a "we" kinda guy. I guess you're a sad little guy who didn't have those great experiences? Lighten up.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because the first tournament of the summer at HHH in Pa. They got shellacked, after that the coach put the team in A level brackets. Nothing wrong with putting the kids in brackets where they will play other players comparable to their ability. Feel free to ask one of one the Ytown coaches. They are good guys building good players/team. Schreiber is doing a fantastic job at Express North.


We won our last tournament on LI beating teams that had won other tournaments, including the Edge from Canada. The team progressed more than I've seen with any other team. Good players, good coaches= fun summer. My son is more skilled, more confident and really head and shoulders above his town teammates. The time and money has been worth it. Yes, it helps to have Yorktown guys coaching the players. They know their stuff and are passionate.


We? Are you one of the Yorktown coaches or just a dad living vicariously through his son and now considers himself on the team? How much Express clothing do you personally own?



Proud Dad living vicariously through my son. I had my 11 years of playing lacrosse. Great experience and lifelong friends. I'm a "we" kinda guy. I guess you're a sad little guy who didn't have those great experiences? Lighten up.


You should be proud. I played. Had great experiences and continue to maintain relationships with my former teammates. I'm plenty light but smart enough to know its my son's journey not mine and think it's unwise to ever make his playing a "we." It's his playing, his practice and his team. I'm just a fan who writes the checks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/04/16 04:30 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because the first tournament of the summer at HHH in Pa. They got shellacked, after that the coach put the team in A level brackets. Nothing wrong with putting the kids in brackets where they will play other players comparable to their ability. Feel free to ask one of one the Ytown coaches. They are good guys building good players/team. Schreiber is doing a fantastic job at Express North.


We won our last tournament on LI beating teams that had won other tournaments, including the Edge from Canada. The team progressed more than I've seen with any other team. Good players, good coaches= fun summer. My son is more skilled, more confident and really head and shoulders above his town teammates. The time and money has been worth it. Yes, it helps to have Yorktown guys coaching the players. They know their stuff and are passionate.


We? Are you one of the Yorktown coaches or just a dad living vicariously through his son and now considers himself on the team? How much Express clothing do you personally own?



Proud Dad living vicariously through my son. I had my 11 years of playing lacrosse. Great experience and lifelong friends. I'm a "we" kinda guy. I guess you're a sad little guy who didn't have those great experiences? Lighten up.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because the first tournament of the summer at HHH in Pa. They got shellacked, after that the coach put the team in A level brackets. Nothing wrong with putting the kids in brackets where they will play other players comparable to their ability. Feel free to ask one of one the Ytown coaches. They are good guys building good players/team. Schreiber is doing a fantastic job at Express North.


We won our last tournament on LI beating teams that had won other tournaments, including the Edge from Canada. The team progressed more than I've seen with any other team. Good players, good coaches= fun summer. My son is more skilled, more confident and really head and shoulders above his town teammates. The time and money has been worth it. Yes, it helps to have Yorktown guys coaching the players. They know their stuff and are passionate.


We? Are you one of the Yorktown coaches or just a dad living vicariously through his son and now considers himself on the team? How much Express clothing do you personally own?



Proud Dad living vicariously through my son. I had my 11 years of playing lacrosse. Great experience and lifelong friends. I'm a "we" kinda guy. I guess you're a sad little guy who didn't have those great experiences? Lighten up.


You should be proud. I played. Had great experiences and continue to maintain relationships with my former teammates. I'm plenty light but smart enough to know its my son's journey not mine and think it's unwise to ever make his playing a "we." It's his playing, his practice and his team. I'm just a fan who writes the checks.


Lighten up Francis.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/04/16 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought the best players from Greenwich and CT. played for Eclipse?


They do in the 2021s. And by the way, that 2021 eclipse team is going to be even better this year with a few nice adds. And not holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/04/16 06:47 AM

In 5th grade Prime Time had a proper age team and were B level. They lost to Long Island and other decent teams by a lot. They got rid of most of those players and replaced them with older kids. We saw they were an older team by looking at the World Series roster. Most of those kids would be 2020 on Long Island. Good team but older. Got better by getting older. Having said that it is more fun playing the older team than it was playing the Best kids from Greenwhich in fith grade when they where the proper age and beating them by a lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
No hold backs for PT 2021 just the best players from Greenwhich who are older than their NY counterparts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/04/16 11:42 AM

I'm sorry about your son not making Express North 2020 this year. . . . We are new to the program, and my son was offered a spot on the 2020AA team, and I would appreciate any candid information anyone has about that team specifically as we are very torn about leaving our current program, primarily because we are unfamiliar with LIE North since not many players from our town play for them. Get a general sense that recruiting a key focus for that club, which would be important to us at this age but also looking for a general sense of strength of team, how many returning players fro LY, any info on new coach.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/04/16 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because the first tournament of the summer at HHH in Pa. They got shellacked, after that the coach put the team in A level brackets. Nothing wrong with putting the kids in brackets where they will play other players comparable to their ability. Feel free to ask one of one the Ytown coaches. They are good guys building good players/team. Schreiber is doing a fantastic job at Express North.


We won our last tournament on LI beating teams that had won other tournaments, including the Edge from Canada. The team progressed more than I've seen with any other team. Good players, good coaches= fun summer. My son is more skilled, more confident and really head and shoulders above his town teammates. The time and money has been worth it. Yes, it helps to have Yorktown guys coaching the players. They know their stuff and are passionate.


We? Are you one of the Yorktown coaches or just a dad living vicariously through his son and now considers himself on the team? How much Express clothing do you personally own?



Proud Dad living vicariously through my son. I had my 11 years of playing lacrosse. Great experience and lifelong friends. I'm a "we" kinda guy. I guess you're a sad little guy who didn't have those great experiences? Lighten up.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because the first tournament of the summer at HHH in Pa. They got shellacked, after that the coach put the team in A level brackets. Nothing wrong with putting the kids in brackets where they will play other players comparable to their ability. Feel free to ask one of one the Ytown coaches. They are good guys building good players/team. Schreiber is doing a fantastic job at Express North.


We won our last tournament on LI beating teams that had won other tournaments, including the Edge from Canada. The team progressed more than I've seen with any other team. Good players, good coaches= fun summer. My son is more skilled, more confident and really head and shoulders above his town teammates. The time and money has been worth it. Yes, it helps to have Yorktown guys coaching the players. They know their stuff and are passionate.


We? Are you one of the Yorktown coaches or just a dad living vicariously through his son and now considers himself on the team? How much Express clothing do you personally own?



Proud Dad living vicariously through my son. I had my 11 years of playing lacrosse. Great experience and lifelong friends. I'm a "we" kinda guy. I guess you're a sad little guy who didn't have those great experiences? Lighten up.


You should be proud. I played. Had great experiences and continue to maintain relationships with my former teammates. I'm plenty light but smart enough to know its my son's journey not mine and think it's unwise to ever make his playing a "we." It's his playing, his practice and his team. I'm just a fan who writes the checks.


Lighten up Francis.


I'll look for you, the dad all decked out in your Express gear.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/04/16 01:09 PM

Eclipse is another team that get better when they added older kids. A lot of 2002 birthdates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought the best players from Greenwich and CT. played for Eclipse?


They do in the 2021s. And by the way, that 2021 eclipse team is going to be even better this year with a few nice adds. And not holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/05/16 04:40 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse is another team that get better when they added older kids. A lot of 2002 birthdates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought the best players from Greenwich and CT. played for Eclipse?


They do in the 2021s. And by the way, that 2021 eclipse team is going to be even better this year with a few nice adds. And not holdbacks.


LI Express North 2021 doesn't have any holdbacks that I'm aware of.
Does everyone else cheat? Where's the resident blowhard?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/05/16 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse is another team that get better when they added older kids. A lot of 2002 birthdates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought the best players from Greenwich and CT. played for Eclipse?


They do in the 2021s. And by the way, that 2021 eclipse team is going to be even better this year with a few nice adds. And not holdbacks.


LI Express North 2021 doesn't have any holdbacks that I'm aware of.
Does everyone else cheat? Where's the resident blowhard?


There are absolutely reclassified kids. Maybe 3-5. They were Express 2020 last year and through the miracle of summer break and private school they are now 2021s. Abracadabra.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/05/16 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse is another team that get better when they added older kids. A lot of 2002 birthdates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought the best players from Greenwich and CT. played for Eclipse?


They do in the 2021s. And by the way, that 2021 eclipse team is going to be even better this year with a few nice adds. And not holdbacks.


I don't have a team roster for LIE north 2021, but I'm pretty sure you are misinformed. None this past summer and I don't think the team added 3-5 new players (all holdbacks). How are you so certain?

LI Express North 2021 doesn't have any holdbacks that I'm aware of.
Does everyone else cheat? Where's the resident blowhard?


There are absolutely reclassified kids. Maybe 3-5. They were Express 2020 last year and through the miracle of summer break and private school they are now 2021s. Abracadabra.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/05/16 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse is another team that get better when they added older kids. A lot of 2002 birthdates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought the best players from Greenwich and CT. played for Eclipse?


They do in the 2021s. And by the way, that 2021 eclipse team is going to be even better this year with a few nice adds. And not holdbacks.


LI Express North 2021 doesn't have any holdbacks that I'm aware of.
Does everyone else cheat? Where's the resident blowhard?


There are absolutely reclassified kids. Maybe 3-5. They were Express 2020 last year and through the miracle of summer break and private school they are now 2021s. Abracadabra.


Eclipse 2021 also added a number of held back 2020s. Hold backs are definitely a problem at many CT & Westchester clubs when kids hit eighth grade. Do any clubs in the area take a stance against hold backs? Could be a good way to differentiate yourself against other CT & Westchester clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/05/16 03:44 PM

any reclass kids on 2020 express north?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/05/16 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
any reclass kids on 2020 express north?
of course there are, were already last year
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/05/16 07:07 PM

Holdbacks probably but no reclass kids last year
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/05/16 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse is another team that get better when they added older kids. A lot of 2002 birthdates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought the best players from Greenwich and CT. played for Eclipse?


They do in the 2021s. And by the way, that 2021 eclipse team is going to be even better this year with a few nice adds. And not holdbacks.


LI Express North 2021 doesn't have any holdbacks that I'm aware of.
Does everyone else cheat? Where's the resident blowhard?


There are absolutely reclassified kids. Maybe 3-5. They were Express 2020 last year and through the miracle of summer break and private school they are now 2021s. Abracadabra.


I don't have a team roster for LIE north 2021, but I'm pretty sure you are misinformed. None this past summer and I don't think the team added 3-5 new players (all holdbacks). How are you so certain?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/05/16 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse is another team that get better when they added older kids. A lot of 2002 birthdates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought the best players from Greenwich and CT. played for Eclipse?


They do in the 2021s. And by the way, that 2021 eclipse team is going to be even better this year with a few nice adds. And not holdbacks.


LI Express North 2021 doesn't have any holdbacks that I'm aware of.
Does everyone else cheat? Where's the resident blowhard?


There are absolutely reclassified kids. Maybe 3-5. They were Express 2020 last year and through the miracle of summer break and private school they are now 2021s. Abracadabra.


I don't have a team roster for LIE north 2021, but I'm pretty sure you are misinformed. None this past summer and I don't think the team added 3-5 new players (all holdbacks). How are you so certain?
When I see kids who were on 2020 last year and then this year are trying out for 2021 I'm only guessing they've reclassified ....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/06/16 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No hold backs for PT 2021 just the best players from Greenwhich who are older than their NY counterparts.


Is this a joke? Plenty of hold backs on that team.


Exactly. Who is anyone kidding.
Daniello should move his PT program to the Brunswick campus. Most of the holdbacks are from there, and perhaps then they would show up for the practices and clinics,instead of not making the trek to northern Westchester.


PT really picked 3d clean. Will it be any different or just further north?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/06/16 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse is another team that get better when they added older kids. A lot of 2002 birthdates.

They do in the 2021s. And by the way, that 2021 eclipse team is going to be even better this year with a few nice adds. And not holdbacks.


LI Express North 2021 doesn't have any holdbacks that I'm aware of.
Does everyone else cheat? Where's the resident blowhard?


There are absolutely reclassified kids. Maybe 3-5. They were Express 2020 last year and through the miracle of summer break and private school they are now 2021s. Abracadabra.


I don't have a team roster for LIE north 2021, but I'm pretty sure you are misinformed. None this past summer and I don't think the team added 3-5 new players (all holdbacks). How are you so certain?
When I see kids who were on 2020 last year and then this year are trying out for 2021 I'm only guessing they've reclassified .... [/quote]

Misinformed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/06/16 11:27 PM

LI Express North 2021 doesn't have any holdbacks that I'm aware of.
Does everyone else cheat? Where's the resident blowhard?[/quote]

There are absolutely reclassified kids. Maybe 3-5. They were Express 2020 last year and through the miracle of summer break and private school they are now 2021s. Abracadabra. [/quote]

I don't have a team roster for LIE north 2021, but I'm pretty sure you are misinformed. None this past summer and I don't think the team added 3-5 new players (all holdbacks). How are you so certain?[/quote] When I see kids who were on 2020 last year and then this year are trying out for 2021 I'm only guessing they've reclassified .... [/quote]

Misinformed. [/quote]

So holdbacks attended tryouts? And your conclusion is the LIE 2021 has a roster full of holdbacks. I know the parent group well after 3 seasons and I'm pretty sure there are no kids that should be playing in 2020. In fact, many kids are very young for 2021. Please climb down off your soap box and take your agenda with you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/07/16 03:13 PM

Who cares. All team have them. I you think not you are delisional. It is what it is just let the kids play and enjoy.
Some people sound like they are being robbed of something.n
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/07/16 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares. All team have them. I you think not you are delisional. It is what it is just let the kids play and enjoy.
Some people sound like they are being robbed of something.n


Agreed that no one is being robbed of anything and very true that it is what it is. That's life. But philosophically I think something is broken if this is where the state of the game is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/07/16 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares. All team have them. I you think not you are delisional. It is what it is just let the kids play and enjoy.
Some people sound like they are being robbed of something.n


Agreed that no one is being robbed of anything and very true that it is what it is. That's life. But philosophically I think something is broken if this is where the state of the game is.


All teams do not have holdbacks. Of course the system can be changed so that we use an age based system. How can anyone defend the holdback?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/07/16 04:09 PM

Sorry you are just wrong or unaware.
ALL clubs have them some more than others
Its just the way it is. People have to deal with reality
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/08/16 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sorry you are just wrong or unaware.
ALL clubs have them some more than others
Its just the way it is. People have to deal with reality


I heard that Express North is providing there 2021s with Gillette razors this year in addition to gloves.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/08/16 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sorry you are just wrong or unaware.
ALL clubs have them some more than others
Its just the way it is. People have to deal with reality


I heard that Express North is providing there 2021s with Gillette razors this year in addition to gloves.


Seriously, I think you have LIE North confused with PT 2021.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/09/16 06:37 PM

Whether you kept your kid back a year in pre-school or he was reclassified when switching to private school or in some cases both, it's naive not to think all these teams dont have "holdbacks"! Pt 2021 does...maybe half the team at this point. I know Exress does as well...maybe not as many as PT...Eclipse even more than PT.

Club teams are based on graduation year not birth year, for these teams to even try to be competitive with Long Island teams they need BIG post puberty kids that graduate in 2021....and yes, some may be two years older!

It is what it is!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/11/16 01:16 PM

The only truth is Eclipse and Primetime have the best 2021 players in the area. For anyone to say they are full of holdbacks shows they are envious of the success of both programs. I personally know Express North did not have one hold backs on the team last season. This area is full of great coaches on a bunch of teams and everyone's main concern should be is my son getting better being on the team that he was on.

I do think Schreiber, Daniello, Hanford should get together and have a tournament in the spring for this area. They should be trying to get these kids playing at the level of the top teams on Long Island and in Baltimore.

God Bless to all on 9/11
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/12/16 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only truth is Eclipse and Primetime have the best 2021 players in the area. For anyone to say they are full of holdbacks shows they are envious of the success of both programs. I personally know Express North did not have one hold backs on the team last season. This area is full of great coaches on a bunch of teams and everyone's main concern should be is my son getting better being on the team that he was on.

I do think Schreiber, Daniello, Hanford should get together and have a tournament in the spring for this area. They should be trying to get these kids playing at the level of the top teams on Long Island and in Baltimore.

God Bless to all on 9/11


Why do you equate people calling out programs for encouraging and promoting the holdback phenomenon and envy? Are you an LIE North parent who knows there were no holdbacks last year? How do you feel about parents holding their kids back a year to be able to better compete against your son? These programs are exploiting children and the parents are buying in. Very sad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/12/16 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only truth is Eclipse and Primetime have the best 2021 players in the area. For anyone to say they are full of holdbacks shows they are envious of the success of both programs. I personally know Express North did not have one hold backs on the team last season. This area is full of great coaches on a bunch of teams and everyone's main concern should be is my son getting better being on the team that he was on.

I do think Schreiber, Daniello, Hanford should get together and have a tournament in the spring for this area. They should be trying to get these kids playing at the level of the top teams on Long Island and in Baltimore.

God Bless to all on 9/11


Why do you equate people calling out programs for encouraging and promoting the holdback phenomenon and envy? Are you an LIE North parent who knows there were no holdbacks last year? How do you feel about parents holding their kids back a year to be able to better compete against your son? These programs are exploiting children and the parents are buying in. Very sad.


Agreed. Why are those who call it out as a problem get such vitriolic responses? If your kid is not a holdback but is on a team loaded with them good for you but don't convince yourself that your own son has risen to the ranks of an elite player because he is being propped up by a team of older kids. And if you held your kid back and it works out and he gets recruited, good for you too. But don't call the rest of us losers because 1) we wouldn't play chicken with our kid's life and 2) believe there is inherently something wrong with a system that allows this to happen in the first place. Yes, maybe your son will be a D1 recruit if you reclass him but don't for a second forget that he's been pimped out to get there. And how come the programs never talk about the reclassed kids that did not find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/13/16 06:41 PM

My son is not a holdback or classified, he's a young 13 year old on a mostly older 2021 team. He's a bit big for his age but not overly so, he has struggled this year because of the huge disparity in height and weight but he knows it will even out eventually and in HS if he's good enough he will be playing with and against boys 2 and three years older. His focus now is his speed and stick work so when puberty finally does kick in he will once again be a strong dominant player.

It would be great if club teams were based on birth year...but they're not so we just make the best of it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/14/16 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is not a holdback or classified, he's a young 13 year old on a mostly older 2021 team. He's a bit big for his age but not overly so, he has struggled this year because of the huge disparity in height and weight but he knows it will even out eventually and in HS if he's good enough he will be playing with and against boys 2 and three years older. His focus now is his speed and stick work so when puberty finally does kick in he will once again be a strong dominant player.

It would be great if club teams were based on birth year...but they're not so we just make the best of it.


Similar situation for my son as well. Frustrating for the kid.

Not inclined to hold back because he does well in school and that is ultimately what will count most. However it would be really nice if the boy could enjoy the sport at which he works so hard and loves so much.

It's like yearning for that supermodel that would never give you the time of day.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/14/16 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only truth is Eclipse and Primetime have the best 2021 players in the area. For anyone to say they are full of holdbacks shows they are envious of the success of both programs. I personally know Express North did not have one hold backs on the team last season. This area is full of great coaches on a bunch of teams and everyone's main concern should be is my son getting better being on the team that he was on.

I do think Schreiber, Daniello, Hanford should get together and have a tournament in the spring for this area. They should be trying to get these kids playing at the level of the top teams on Long Island and in Baltimore.

God Bless to all on 9/11


Why do you equate people calling out programs for encouraging and promoting the holdback phenomenon and envy? Are you an LIE North parent who knows there were no holdbacks last year? How do you feel about parents holding their kids back a year to be able to better compete against your son? These programs are exploiting children and the parents are buying in. Very sad.
The irony for Daniello, who, on the one hand is passionate about John Jay lacrosse, coaching both 8th grade youth and assistant on JJ Varsity, by going all-in with reclassified players on PT starting in 8th/9th grades, he's been forced to cut many JJ players who had been with PT for 3 or 4 years. Rightfully so, since many couldn't compete anymore against the older competition. The problem going forward is those B level players are now scattered on various B teams, and those 1 or 2 who are still with PT are resented as prima donnas. (Which, as an outsider, was already evident this year, and will get worse going forward because of the parents) I know some on this site have issues with the Yorktown Ballers program because of conflict of interests, but putting that aside , Yorktown will continue to clean John Jay's clock for the foreseeable future just because their A & B players bond as a team even during the summer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/14/16 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only truth is Eclipse and Primetime have the best 2021 players in the area. For anyone to say they are full of holdbacks shows they are envious of the success of both programs. I personally know Express North did not have one hold backs on the team last season. This area is full of great coaches on a bunch of teams and everyone's main concern should be is my son getting better being on the team that he was on.

I do think Schreiber, Daniello, Hanford should get together and have a tournament in the spring for this area. They should be trying to get these kids playing at the level of the top teams on Long Island and in Baltimore.

God Bless to all on 9/11


Why do you equate people calling out programs for encouraging and promoting the holdback phenomenon and envy? Are you an LIE North parent who knows there were no holdbacks last year? How do you feel about parents holding their kids back a year to be able to better compete against your son? These programs are exploiting children and the parents are buying in. Very sad.
The irony for Daniello, who, on the one hand is passionate about John Jay lacrosse, coaching both 8th grade youth and assistant on JJ Varsity, by going all-in with reclassified players on PT starting in 8th/9th grades, he's been forced to cut many JJ players who had been with PT for 3 or 4 years. Rightfully so, since many couldn't compete anymore against the older competition. The problem going forward is those B level players are now scattered on various B teams, and those 1 or 2 who are still with PT are resented as prima donnas. (Which, as an outsider, was already evident this year, and will get worse going forward because of the parents) I know some on this site have issues with the Yorktown Ballers program because of conflict of interests, but putting that aside , Yorktown will continue to clean John Jay's clock for the foreseeable future just because their A & B players bond as a team even during the summer.


Sounds like "as an outsider" you aren't aware that many of the best Yorktown kids now play for Primetime which kills your theory! Although Yorktown may still "clean their clock" for other reasons!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/14/16 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only truth is Eclipse and Primetime have the best 2021 players in the area. For anyone to say they are full of holdbacks shows they are envious of the success of both programs. I personally know Express North did not have one hold backs on the team last season. This area is full of great coaches on a bunch of teams and everyone's main concern should be is my son getting better being on the team that he was on.

I do think Schreiber, Daniello, Hanford should get together and have a tournament in the spring for this area. They should be trying to get these kids playing at the level of the top teams on Long Island and in Baltimore.

God Bless to all on 9/11


Why do you equate people calling out programs for encouraging and promoting the holdback phenomenon and envy? Are you an LIE North parent who knows there were no holdbacks last year? How do you feel about parents holding their kids back a year to be able to better compete against your son? These programs are exploiting children and the parents are buying in. Very sad.
The irony for Daniello, who, on the one hand is passionate about John Jay lacrosse, coaching both 8th grade youth and assistant on JJ Varsity, by going all-in with reclassified players on PT starting in 8th/9th grades, he's been forced to cut many JJ players who had been with PT for 3 or 4 years. Rightfully so, since many couldn't compete anymore against the older competition. The problem going forward is those B level players are now scattered on various B teams, and those 1 or 2 who are still with PT are resented as prima donnas. (Which, as an outsider, was already evident this year, and will get worse going forward because of the parents) I know some on this site have issues with the Yorktown Ballers program because of conflict of interests, but putting that aside , Yorktown will continue to clean John Jay's clock for the foreseeable future just because their A & B players bond as a team even during the summer.


Sounds like "as an outsider" you aren't aware that many of the best Yorktown kids now play for Primetime which kills your theory! Although Yorktown may still "clean their clock" for other reasons!


Maybe your perception of who "the best Yorktown kids..." is wrong. I can't think of one of Yorktown's best that plays for PT, not one.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/14/16 10:10 PM

The LSM for PT 2021 is a Yorktowner and is the best player on his PT & Yorktown team.
Absolute stud.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/14/16 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only truth is Eclipse and Primetime have the best 2021 players in the area. For anyone to say they are full of holdbacks shows they are envious of the success of both programs. I personally know Express North did not have one hold backs on the team last season. This area is full of great coaches on a bunch of teams and everyone's main concern should be is my son getting better being on the team that he was on.

I do think Schreiber, Daniello, Hanford should get together and have a tournament in the spring for this area. They should be trying to get these kids playing at the level of the top teams on Long Island and in Baltimore.

God Bless to all on 9/11


Why do you equate people calling out programs for encouraging and promoting the holdback phenomenon and envy? Are you an LIE North parent who knows there were no holdbacks last year? How do you feel about parents holding their kids back a year to be able to better compete against your son? These programs are exploiting children and the parents are buying in. Very sad.
The irony for Daniello, who, on the one hand is passionate about John Jay lacrosse, coaching both 8th grade youth and assistant on JJ Varsity, by going all-in with reclassified players on PT starting in 8th/9th grades, he's been forced to cut many JJ players who had been with PT for 3 or 4 years. Rightfully so, since many couldn't compete anymore against the older competition. The problem going forward is those B level players are now scattered on various B teams, and those 1 or 2 who are still with PT are resented as prima donnas. (Which, as an outsider, was already evident this year, and will get worse going forward because of the parents) I know some on this site have issues with the Yorktown Ballers program because of conflict of interests, but putting that aside , Yorktown will continue to clean John Jay's clock for the foreseeable future just because their A & B players bond as a team even during the summer.


Sounds like "as an outsider" you aren't aware that many of the best Yorktown kids now play for Primetime which kills your theory! Although Yorktown may still "clean their clock" for other reasons!


Maybe your perception of who "the best Yorktown kids..." is wrong. I can't think of one of Yorktown's best that plays for PT, not one.


you are clueless!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/15/16 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The LSM for PT 2021 is a Yorktowner and is the best player on his PT & Yorktown team.
Absolute stud.


One little kid?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/15/16 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The LSM for PT 2021 is a Yorktowner and is the best player on his PT & Yorktown team.
Absolute stud.


I hear PT also has three of the best 2026 Yorktown players. You guys are hilarious.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/15/16 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The LSM for PT 2021 is a Yorktowner and is the best player on his PT & Yorktown team.
Absolute stud.


I hear PT also has three of the best 2026 Yorktown players. You guys are hilarious.


I heard they are so good they are playing up to 2021!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/16/16 02:46 AM

Nah, PT just added a bunch of older CT kids to the
2021 team, no room for those awesome 1st graders.
Maybe the Yorktowners will have to ride
the bench or were they cut? The holdback culture
really has become pathetic.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/16/16 02:32 PM

I wonder would you still have a problem if I held my kid back and he was still smaller than average?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/16/16 03:49 PM

The holdback issue bleeds into alot.

But there are 2 forces that may work to help curb it: 1 is CONNY town travel league putting age restrictions in place and other is WSYL age restrictions if changed to Sept 1st.

The most notorious abusers of dropping a grade to kick [lacrosse] are the rich competitive types in Greenwich, New Canaan, Rye. These are the kids on PT and Eclipse and Brunswick rosters. Maybe when CONNY makes them play against kids their own age they will have to endure not being able to cheat a system anymore. Let's see all the holdback 7th graders kick butt when forced to play against 8th graders.

And if they dream of playing in Denver for WSYL, clubs have to change rosters because Billy the holdback who was born in August of 2003 can't be used on a 2022 roster despite the claim he is a 7th grader.

The culture of holdback won't stop but these are 2 good checks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/16/16 04:37 PM

Private schools reclassify kids....it's a money thing having nothing to do with lacrosse or sports in general. It also happens to benefit the wealthy parents who feel the pathetic need to put their kid in Brunswick just to have him dominate on the lax field!

You can't blame Prime Time or Eclipse....blame all these college coaches that start poaching these boys at such an early age, blame all these 7/8th grade showcases that are really just money grabs, blame the Dad's that will do anything it takes....including spending $30-$40k a year in order to better his kids chance at playing in college.

A lot of pressure on these boys, why can't they just play, have fun, love the game and wherever they end up they end up!

There's no pot of gold at the end of the lacrosse rainbow, you play for the love of the game! That's what makes it so great!Yy


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/16/16 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The holdback issue bleeds into alot.

But there are 2 forces that may work to help curb it: 1 is CONNY town travel league putting age restrictions in place and other is WSYL age restrictions if changed to Sept 1st.

The most notorious abusers of dropping a grade to kick [lacrosse] are the rich competitive types in Greenwich, New Canaan, Rye. These are the kids on PT and Eclipse and Brunswick rosters. Maybe when CONNY makes them play against kids their own age they will have to endure not being able to cheat a system anymore. Let's see all the holdback 7th graders kick butt when forced to play against 8th graders.

And if they dream of playing in Denver for WSYL, clubs have to change rosters because Billy the holdback who was born in August of 2003 can't be used on a 2022 roster despite the claim he is a 7th grader.

The culture of holdback won't stop but these are 2 good checks.


I would expect some roster adjustments before WSYL by Primetime. They may carry some extra kids who won't play much just to bolster roster for WSYL. Force everyone to play age appropriate, the sports become an embarrassment. Adults preying on minors for $$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/16/16 10:31 PM

Is it true the best player on Eclipse 2021 went to Primetime? If true Daniello owns this area.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/17/16 04:06 PM

he was the 5th attack man
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/17/16 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it true the best player on Eclipse 2021 went to Primetime? If true Daniello owns this area.


Primetime got one of the defenseman from Express North, I hear he's very good. PT doesn't seem to lose players, just kids getting cut as the holdbacks and larger kids move in.

What does Primetime offer that the other programs don't?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/17/16 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it true the best player on Eclipse 2021 went to Primetime? If true Daniello owns this area.


Primetime got one of the defenseman from Express North, I hear he's very good. PT doesn't seem to lose players, just kids getting cut as the holdbacks and larger kids move in.

What does Primetime offer that the other programs don't?


My son was fortunate enough to keep his spot on the 21 team. PT simply offers great coaching and Nick takes great care in running the club. My son loves it and as a parent I'm very happy with the organization. I honestly believe it sells itself. The kids get better - period.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/18/16 02:35 AM

They got one of the small attack from Eclipse, he was not one of their best and had a horrible year. He moved to PT because he wasn't going to start for Eclipse. Eclipse is only interested in winning, if you can't get it done you better find another team...so he did.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/18/16 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it true the best player on Eclipse 2021 went to Primetime? If true Daniello owns this area.


Primetime got one of the defenseman from Express North, I hear he's very good. PT doesn't seem to lose players, just kids getting cut as the holdbacks and larger kids move in.

What does Primetime offer that the other programs don't?


My son was fortunate enough to keep his spot on the 21 team. PT simply offers great coaching and Nick takes great care in running the club. My son loves it and as a parent I'm very happy with the organization. I honestly believe it sells itself. The kids get better - period.


Lots of time to find an upgrade for your son between
now and summer 2017. It happens.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/18/16 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it true the best player on Eclipse 2021 went to Primetime? If true Daniello owns this area.


Primetime got one of the defenseman from Express North, I hear he's very good. PT doesn't seem to lose players, just kids getting cut as the holdbacks and larger kids move in.

What does Primetime offer that the other programs don't?


Apparently that defenseman was dropped from Express AA to A making it an easy decision. Many AA Express parents are dumbfounded by the move and believe a smaller and much weaker defenseman got the AA spot as a result of non stop lobbying by the father. There's always politics, that's life.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/18/16 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it true the best player on Eclipse 2021 went to Primetime? If true Daniello owns this area.


Primetime got one of the defenseman from Express North, I hear he's very good. PT doesn't seem to lose players, just kids getting cut as the holdbacks and larger kids move in.

What does Primetime offer that the other programs don't?


Apparently that defenseman was dropped from Express AA to A making it an easy decision. Many AA Express parents are dumbfounded by the move and believe a smaller and much weaker defenseman got the AA spot as a result of non stop lobbying by the father. There's always politics, that's life.


Can't blame the father, people in charge can always say NO and choose the better player. Coaches or whoever makes the decisions, not the father. Is the difference noticeable in the players?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/19/16 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it true the best player on Eclipse 2021 went to Primetime? If true Daniello owns this area.


Primetime got one of the defenseman from Express North, I hear he's very good. PT doesn't seem to lose players, just kids getting cut as the holdbacks and larger kids move in.

What does Primetime offer that the other programs don't?


Good for the dad and kid. Bad for the team.

Apparently that defenseman was dropped from Express AA to A making it an easy decision. Many AA Express parents are dumbfounded by the move and believe a smaller and much weaker defenseman got the AA spot as a result of non stop lobbying by the father. There's always politics, that's life.


Can't blame the father, people in charge can always say NO and choose the better player. Coaches or whoever makes the decisions, not the father. Is the difference noticeable in the players?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/19/16 03:12 PM

FYI Hudson Valley Lacrosse is going to an age based system for this upcoming season. Obviously it doesn't address club teams, but it is a step in the right direction. Hopefully other organizations will do the same.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/20/16 10:46 AM

If the Westchester programs adhere to the HV email from yeaterday you might as well take the CONNY games off then schedule.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/20/16 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI Hudson Valley Lacrosse is going to an age based system for this upcoming season. Obviously it doesn't address club teams, but it is a step in the right direction. Hopefully other organizations will do the same.
While definitely a step in the right direction, it really needs to be a country wide mandate.As long as club teams are the driving force in (early) recruiting, no Westchester teams would think of traveling to the main Mid-Atlantic recruiting events without reclassified kids in order to compete with similar teams there.
Again a nice first step that really only affects town teams and public school kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/20/16 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI Hudson Valley Lacrosse is going to an age based system for this upcoming season. Obviously it doesn't address club teams, but it is a step in the right direction. Hopefully other organizations will do the same.
While definitely a step in the right direction, it really needs to be a country wide mandate.As long as club teams are the driving force in (early) recruiting, no Westchester teams would think of traveling to the main Mid-Atlantic recruiting events without reclassified kids in order to compete with similar teams there.
Again a nice first step that really only affects town teams and public school kids.


Recruiting tournaments couldn't care less about what's fair and obviously the college coaches don't either. They'd accept 20 year old Freshman all day long if they could. So, it falls on the youth programs and the governing bodies to protect the kids and ensure fair play. Oh, of course the pathetic parents are really those that are responsible for holdbacks. But teaching ethics to children really isn't the job of parents, just how to cheat your way to success.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/20/16 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI Hudson Valley Lacrosse is going to an age based system for this upcoming season. Obviously it doesn't address club teams, but it is a step in the right direction. Hopefully other organizations will do the same.
While definitely a step in the right direction, it really needs to be a country wide mandate.As long as club teams are the driving force in (early) recruiting, no Westchester teams would think of traveling to the main Mid-Atlantic recruiting events without reclassified kids in order to compete with similar teams there.
Again a nice first step that really only affects town teams and public school kids.


Recruiting tournaments couldn't care less about what's fair and obviously the college coaches don't either. They'd accept 20 year old Freshman all day long if they could. So, it falls on the youth programs and the governing bodies to protect the kids and ensure fair play. Oh, of course the pathetic parents are really those that are responsible for holdbacks. But teaching ethics to children really isn't the job of parents, just how to cheat your way to success.
I can't speak for youth Hockey, which would be most similar to lacrosse as far as early recruiting/prep school imvolvment, is it grade based or age based? But generally speaking in baseball & basketball, while there are reclassified kids playing, it is age based, and if you want to be 'noticed' or taken serious by D1 schools you have to play up 1-2 years. When did lacrosse go so off the rails that parents and players think playing down is the way to go? I get that it's the current system, and pretty soon most elite teams will be one re-classified team playing against another....not sure how that will play out in the future for the growth of the game among public school players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/20/16 05:01 PM

If US Lacrosse fully implements their age-based criteria AND refuses to offer coverage to tournaments/leagues/games that don't adhere to that policy, then maybe the sport can move in the right direction. That said, the fact the current USL age verification process relied upon submitting a digital copy of the player's COB, the opportunity for falsified COBs is larger than it should be. USL should have put the onus of verification on the state affiliates to verify hard copy COBs w/ raised seals in order to have any level of confidence that they were achieving what is desired.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/20/16 11:35 PM

Just heard from a PT parent that PT 2021 also got a 2020 AA Express North midfielder who reclassified.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/16 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the Westchester programs adhere to the HV email from yeaterday you might as well take the CONNY games off then schedule.


It actually looks like CONNY team segmentation will change for this spring also. Any player born before sept 1 of the "previous" year (assuming a Jan 1 bday grade cutoff) has to play up with the next older grade. No longer will programs be allowed to,play up an entire team (moving 5a up to u13, 7a up to u15) so that older kids stay with their "grade-mates". This gets voted on next week at CONNY board meeting, and at least one of the "big 3" CONNY programs (of which those three are the biggest culprits of the over-age players) is supporting the new rules. Looks like it will likely pass.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/16 02:33 AM

Love the new US Lax Boys Rules.

http://www.uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-announces-new-boys-youth-rules

All programs can now try to figure out how to line their fields in multiple directions and pay for all different size goals. And wait for the playing time complaints when your playing 5 v 5,
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/16 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just heard from a PT parent that PT 2021 also got a 2020 AA Express North midfielder who reclassified.
And a 2020 PT Defenseman who also reclassified. 2021 is 9th grade, so it's not surprising and I'm sure there are a few more.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/16 12:34 PM

Although as proposed does not impact K-4th, will stay grade based. really only 5-7th impacted. For 8th they plan to move the date back to 3/1 but allow anyone who petitions that is older to play because if they are in 8th grade and older there is no where else to go. That is what CONNY is voting on.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/16 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Although as proposed does not impact K-4th, will stay grade based. really only 5-7th impacted. For 8th they plan to move the date back to 3/1 but allow anyone who petitions that is older to play because if they are in 8th grade and older there is no where else to go. That is what CONNY is voting on.
And the irony is 8th & 9th grade is where the
age based system is needed most. A combination of reclassifying, 9th grade early recruiting, some kids maturing earlier than others, and parents 'gaming' the current system convinced that playing down an age is the way to go....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/16 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can't speak for youth Hockey, which would be most similar to lacrosse as far as early recruiting/prep school imvolvment, is it grade based or age based? But generally speaking in baseball & basketball, while there are reclassified kids playing, it is age based, and if you want to be 'noticed' or taken serious by D1 schools you have to play up 1-2 years. When did lacrosse go so off the rails that parents and players think playing down is the way to go? I get that it's the current system, and pretty soon most elite teams will be one re-classified team playing against another....not sure how that will play out in the future for the growth of the game among public school players.


The difference between baseball/basketball and lacrosse is that there is nothing beyond college for lax players (nothing really compelling at least).

This motivates families to position their kids in the best way possible for their college careers.

One's views on this situation probably most closely align with the combination of aspirations and physical maturation of one's kid.

For example, those who can dominate by playing down but are 'just a guy' while playing at the 'correct' grade level and have aspirations to play at a competitive college level are incentivized to play down.

To me, playing down would be humiliating. Using the logic that 'everyone is doing it' would hold very little water. However for many others, humility is simply not something they possess.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/16 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Although as proposed does not impact K-4th, will stay grade based. really only 5-7th impacted. For 8th they plan to move the date back to 3/1 but allow anyone who petitions that is older to play because if they are in 8th grade and older there is no where else to go. That is what CONNY is voting on.
And the irony is 8th & 9th grade is where the
age based system is needed most. A combination of reclassifying, 9th grade early recruiting, some kids maturing earlier than others, and parents 'gaming' the current system convinced that playing down an age is the way to go....


Yup. On the CONNY site it says the proposal is to move 8th grade back to 3/2001. I hope that's a typo and they meant 3/2002 or you will have 16 year olds playing with 13 year olds!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/16 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Although as proposed does not impact K-4th, will stay grade based. really only 5-7th impacted. For 8th they plan to move the date back to 3/1 but allow anyone who petitions that is older to play because if they are in 8th grade and older there is no where else to go. That is what CONNY is voting on.
And the irony is 8th & 9th grade is where the
age based system is needed most. A combination of reclassifying, 9th grade early recruiting, some kids maturing earlier than others, and parents 'gaming' the current system convinced that playing down an age is the way to go....


Yup. On the CONNY site it says the proposal is to move 8th grade back to 3/2001. I hope that's a typo and they meant 3/2002 or you will have 16 year olds playing with 13 year olds!


It is 3/02, however, anyone older can petition to play and it is expected they will be allowed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/16 04:23 PM

That is not correct. The CONNY proposal for 8th grade has a cutoff of 3/2001. If older than that, you can petition. If born in Mar/Apr 2001, players will be 16 during the Spring season. That is actually an appropriate age/birthdate for a 10th grader. Even allowing that is crazy, let alone being able to petition to play if the player is even older.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/16 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is not correct. The CONNY proposal for 8th grade has a cutoff of 3/2001. If older than that, you can petition. If born in Mar/Apr 2001, players will be 16 during the Spring season. That is actually an appropriate age/birthdate for a 10th grader. Even allowing that is crazy, let alone being able to petition to play if the player is even older.

CT and holdbacks or overage kids are synonymous. I coach in N. Westchester
and we have always had problems with overage kids when playing CT teams. So, giving them the leeway to have 16 year olds play 8th graders is not surprising.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/16 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is not correct. The CONNY proposal for 8th grade has a cutoff of 3/2001. If older than that, you can petition. If born in Mar/Apr 2001, players will be 16 during the Spring season. That is actually an appropriate age/birthdate for a 10th grader. Even allowing that is crazy, let alone being able to petition to play if the player is even older.


No, you are wrong. That is a typo its 3/2002. But again, anyone older than that can request to play and they are saying its most likely that they will be allowed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/16 06:24 PM

OK, good to hear it is a typo. 3/2002 is still old, but a lot more reasonable.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/16 07:07 PM

The "2020" kid from Express North is actually a 2021 who always played up and is now playing on PT 2021 appropriately.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/16 08:00 PM

was he ever in the school as a 2020?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/16 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The "2020" kid from Express North is actually a 2021 who always played up and is now playing on PT 2021 appropriately.


I've got a bridge for sale, great deal.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/16 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just heard from a PT parent that PT 2021 also got a 2020 AA Express North midfielder who reclassified.


What about the Greenwich kids who reclassed and are now on PT 2021?
PT is making push to add more.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/21/16 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just heard from a PT parent that PT 2021 also got a 2020 AA Express North midfielder who reclassified.
And a 2020 PT Defenseman who also reclassified. 2021 is 9th grade, so it's not surprising and I'm sure there are a few more.


Um - no. 2021 is 8th grade!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/22/16 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just heard from a PT parent that PT 2021 also got a 2020 AA Express North midfielder who reclassified.
And a 2020 PT Defenseman who also reclassified. 2021 is 9th grade, so it's not surprising and I'm sure there are a few more.


Um - no. 2021 is 8th grade!
yes as of now you are correct, but these were Summer tryouts for next year when the reclasses take effect. Our 2020 team went through it last year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/22/16 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just heard from a PT parent that PT 2021 also got a 2020 AA Express North midfielder who reclassified.
And a 2020 PT Defenseman who also reclassified. 2021 is 9th grade, so it's not surprising and I'm sure there are a few more.


Um - no. 2021 is 8th grade!
yes as of now you are correct, but these were Summer tryouts for next year when the reclasses take effect. Our 2020 team went through it last year.


Anyone have some idea how many 2021 Primetime kids are now holdbacks/reclassed/overage? The adults in the room should be embarrassed. Exploiting kids for money, that's all it is. Funny thing is there doesn't seem to be a stigma attached to the kid who is "leftback". Maybe our overly politically correct society is to blame. Kids aren't shamed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/22/16 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just heard from a PT parent that PT 2021 also got a 2020 AA Express North midfielder who reclassified.
And a 2020 PT Defenseman who also reclassified. 2021 is 9th grade, so it's not surprising and I'm sure there are a few more.


Um - no. 2021 is 8th grade!
yes as of now you are correct, but these were Summer tryouts for next year when the reclasses take effect. Our 2020 team went through it last year.


Anyone have some idea how many 2021 Primetime kids are now holdbacks/reclassed/overage? The adults in the room should be embarrassed. Exploiting kids for money, that's all it is. Funny thing is there doesn't seem to be a stigma attached to the kid who is "leftback". Maybe our overly politically correct society is to blame. Kids aren't shamed.


You are pathetic! Exploiting kids for money? Do you realize how many kids actually get money for college just for lacrosse?? Hardly anyone. AND...most private schools strongly encourage kids to repeat when going to their school for developmental purposes which has nothing to do with sports. Maybe you don't know how private schools work. Stop being jealous, if you kid isn't good enough to play with kids a year older then he probably just isn't good enough to get recruited or play at a high level, there are plenty of other teams for you. Go out and have fun. So tired of listening to all the whining about hold backs, re classed kids etc
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/22/16 04:09 PM

Yep, I believe Hackley won't take a kid unless they repeat
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/22/16 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just heard from a PT parent that PT 2021 also got a 2020 AA Express North midfielder who reclassified.
And a 2020 PT Defenseman who also reclassified. 2021 is 9th grade, so it's not surprising and I'm sure there are a few more.


Um - no. 2021 is 8th grade!
yes as of now you are correct, but these were Summer tryouts for next year when the reclasses take effect. Our 2020 team went through it last year.


Anyone have some idea how many 2021 Primetime kids are now holdbacks/reclassed/overage? The adults in the room should be embarrassed. Exploiting kids for money, that's all it is. Funny thing is there doesn't seem to be a stigma attached to the kid who is "leftback". Maybe our overly politically correct society is to blame. Kids aren't shamed.


You are pathetic! Exploiting kids for money? Do you realize how many kids actually get money for college just for lacrosse?? Hardly anyone. AND...most private schools strongly encourage kids to repeat when going to their school for developmental purposes which has nothing to do with sports. Maybe you don't know how private schools work. Stop being jealous, if you kid isn't good enough to play with kids a year older then he probably just isn't good enough to get recruited or play at a high level, there are plenty of other teams for you. Go out and have fun. So tired of listening to all the whining about hold backs, re classed kids etc


Says the dad of the holdback who is shocked SHOCKED I TELL YOU! that people would have a philosophical issue with this. Wake up. Not one thing I have read here is anyone complaining that their kid got screwed b/c of a holdback. What they are frustrated with is that it is part of any discussion to begin with and that it is inherently becoming a game within the game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/22/16 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just heard from a PT parent that PT 2021 also got a 2020 AA Express North midfielder who reclassified.
And a 2020 PT Defenseman who also reclassified. 2021 is 9th grade, so it's not surprising and I'm sure there are a few more.


Um - no. 2021 is 8th grade!
yes as of now you are correct, but these were Summer tryouts for next year when the reclasses take effect. Our 2020 team went through it last year.


Anyone have some idea how many 2021 Primetime kids are now holdbacks/reclassed/overage? The adults in the room should be embarrassed. Exploiting kids for money, that's all it is. Funny thing is there doesn't seem to be a stigma attached to the kid who is "leftback". Maybe our overly politically correct society is to blame. Kids aren't shamed.


You are pathetic! Exploiting kids for money? Do you realize how many kids actually get money for college just for lacrosse?? Hardly anyone. AND...most private schools strongly encourage kids to repeat when going to their school for developmental purposes which has nothing to do with sports. Maybe you don't know how private schools work. Stop being jealous, if you kid isn't good enough to play with kids a year older then he probably just isn't good enough to get recruited or play at a high level, there are plenty of other teams for you. Go out and have fun. So tired of listening to all the whining about hold backs, re classed kids etc


Exactly my point. Club programs sell the dream of playing college ball to parents & kids and the kids suffer. What kid wants to be heldback? The system is pathetic and please have another martini with your lunch next time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/22/16 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yep, I believe Hackley won't take a kid unless they repeat
That my apply towards public school kids. My son went to a boys private, was at age and was accepted this year at Hackley. (He went elsewhere) It has more to do with writing skills not being taught strongly enough at the public school level. But yes there are plenty of repeaters at Hackley and most prep schools. And yes, not all repeaters are lacrosse players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/22/16 06:03 PM

How is the 3D tristate program in the area?
Are they on the same level as ExNorth Predaters, and PT?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/22/16 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just heard from a PT parent that PT 2021 also got a 2020 AA Express North midfielder who reclassified.
And a 2020 PT Defenseman who also reclassified. 2021 is 9th grade, so it's not surprising and I'm sure there are a few more.


Um - no. 2021 is 8th grade!
yes as of now you are correct, but these were Summer tryouts for next year when the reclasses take effect. Our 2020 team went through it last year.


Anyone have some idea how many 2021 Primetime kids are now holdbacks/reclassed/overage? The adults in the room should be embarrassed. Exploiting kids for money, that's all it is. Funny thing is there doesn't seem to be a stigma attached to the kid who is "leftback". Maybe our overly politically correct society is to blame. Kids aren't shamed.


You are pathetic! Exploiting kids for money? Do you realize how many kids actually get money for college just for lacrosse?? Hardly anyone. AND...most private schools strongly encourage kids to repeat when going to their school for developmental purposes which has nothing to do with sports. Maybe you don't know how private schools work. Stop being jealous, if you kid isn't good enough to play with kids a year older then he probably just isn't good enough to get recruited or play at a high level, there are plenty of other teams for you. Go out and have fun. So tired of listening to all the whining about hold backs, re classed kids etc
The stupidity of this statement is that we are talking about 8th/9th grade, when playing against kids 1-2 years older should not be the projection measurement for a kid "to be good enough" to play Varsity lacrosse let alone D1 recruitment. So if my son is just starting to mature in the 8th grade but yet is not good enough to play against 9/10th grade age kids, he might as well trade in his stick in for a squash racquet? Again, we're talking 8th/9th grade here, not a PG year in 12th grade. And my son goes to Avon, so yes I know how private schools work, and no he's not a repeat. Your grade based system basically says, you might as well give up competitive lacrosse or just play for fun, (which all kids should be doing anyway) if you're not good enough to compete with older kids by 9th grade? Nice way to grow the game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/22/16 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just heard from a PT parent that PT 2021 also got a 2020 AA Express North midfielder who reclassified.
And a 2020 PT Defenseman who also reclassified. 2021 is 9th grade, so it's not surprising and I'm sure there are a few more.


Um - no. 2021 is 8th grade!
yes as of now you are correct, but these were Summer tryouts for next year when the reclasses take effect. Our 2020 team went through it last year.


Anyone have some idea how many 2021 Primetime kids are now holdbacks/reclassed/overage? The adults in the room should be embarrassed. Exploiting kids for money, that's all it is. Funny thing is there doesn't seem to be a stigma attached to the kid who is "leftback". Maybe our overly politically correct society is to blame. Kids aren't shamed.


You are pathetic! Exploiting kids for money? Do you realize how many kids actually get money for college just for lacrosse?? Hardly anyone. AND...most private schools strongly encourage kids to repeat when going to their school for developmental purposes which has nothing to do with sports. Maybe you don't know how private schools work. Stop being jealous, if you kid isn't good enough to play with kids a year older then he probably just isn't good enough to get recruited or play at a high level, there are plenty of other teams for you. Go out and have fun. So tired of listening to all the whining about hold backs, re classed kids etc


A more moronic post I have not read. Disclaimer, my son is a 2019 who played varsity last year and is committed. Idiots like you are ruining the game of lacrosse. Why should kids be able to cheat by staying back a year in school? Why? No other sport permits cheating by playing younger kids but lacrosse is okay with it? I mean, the parents are okay with it. Kids must hate being heldback because Daddy wants to live vicariously through Little Johnny.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/22/16 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just heard from a PT parent that PT 2021 also got a 2020 AA Express North midfielder who reclassified.
And a 2020 PT Defenseman who also reclassified. 2021 is 9th grade, so it's not surprising and I'm sure there are a few more.


Um - no. 2021 is 8th grade!
yes as of now you are correct, but these were Summer tryouts for next year when the reclasses take effect. Our 2020 team went through it last year.


Anyone have some idea how many 2021 Primetime kids are now holdbacks/reclassed/overage? The adults in the room should be embarrassed. Exploiting kids for money, that's all it is. Funny thing is there doesn't seem to be a stigma attached to the kid who is "leftback". Maybe our overly politically correct society is to blame. Kids aren't shamed.


You are pathetic! Exploiting kids for money? Do you realize how many kids actually get money for college just for lacrosse?? Hardly anyone. AND...most private schools strongly encourage kids to repeat when going to their school for developmental purposes which has nothing to do with sports. Maybe you don't know how private schools work. Stop being jealous, if you kid isn't good enough to play with kids a year older then he probably just isn't good enough to get recruited or play at a high level, there are plenty of other teams for you. Go out and have fun. So tired of listening to all the whining about hold backs, re classed kids etc


George Carlin: "What kind of empty people need to validate themselves through the achievements of their children"
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/22/16 07:26 PM


You are pathetic! Exploiting kids for money? Do you realize how many kids actually get money for college just for lacrosse?? Hardly anyone. AND...most private schools strongly encourage kids to repeat when going to their school for developmental purposes which has nothing to do with sports. Maybe you don't know how private schools work. Stop being jealous, if you kid isn't good enough to play with kids a year older then he probably just isn't good enough to get recruited or play at a high level, there are plenty of other teams for you. Go out and have fun. So tired of listening to all the whining about hold backs, re classed kids etc [/quote]

George Carlin: "What kind of empty people need to validate themselves through the achievements of their children"[/quote]

Well said. This is all driven by the parents. Yeah, I get the days of riding your bike to practice on your own are gone. And so are the days of just playing in someone's backyard but we are at the point we parents are overly engaged. I hear stories of parents taking their kid to the field and standing over them while they practice. Parents who live right near the team's practice field don't drop their kid off. They sit and watch for 2 hours and have social time with the other nutty parents who can't leave and they chatter about the "weak players" on the team. So pathetic.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/23/16 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are pathetic! Exploiting kids for money? Do you realize how many kids actually get money for college just for lacrosse?? Hardly anyone. AND...most private schools strongly encourage kids to repeat when going to their school for developmental purposes which has nothing to do with sports. Maybe you don't know how private schools work. Stop being jealous, if you kid isn't good enough to play with kids a year older then he probably just isn't good enough to get recruited or play at a high level, there are plenty of other teams for you. Go out and have fun. So tired of listening to all the whining about hold backs, re classed kids etc


George Carlin: "What kind of empty people need to validate themselves through the achievements of their children"[/quote]

Well said. This is all driven by the parents. Yeah, I get the days of riding your bike to practice on your own are gone. And so are the days of just playing in someone's backyard but we are at the point we parents are overly engaged. I hear stories of parents taking their kid to the field and standing over them while they practice. Parents who live right near the team's practice field don't drop their kid off. They sit and watch for 2 hours and have social time with the other nutty parents who can't leave and they chatter about the "weak players" on the team. So pathetic. [/quote]

Advice for parents: please don't tell me weekly how hard little Johnny worked on his game, please don't coach Little Johnny at water breaks during practice, please don't call out to players during games-cheer, do not instruct, try not to call out your sons name every time he touches the ball (its a team sport), try not to throw a sideline party when your son does something good and remain stoic the rest of the game (everyone notices and you really look like a jerk, team sport), congratulate the team on their effort after every game, please don't huddle up with your son for 30 minutes after each game at tournaments, let him spend time with teammates. Enjoy the games and cheer for the team, everyone will have a better experience.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/23/16 07:29 PM

Please change the name of this thread to " Westchester Youth Lacrosse - complain about Cheats, holdbacks, etc" That is what almost every post discusses. How about we talk about Westchester Youth Lacrosse...please
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/25/16 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please change the name of this thread to " Westchester Youth Lacrosse - complain about Cheats, holdbacks, etc" That is what almost every post discusses. How about we talk about Westchester Youth Lacrosse...please
Hahaha, since this post,... nothing. I guess the reclassify epidemic really is stifling anything positive in Westchester lax. Should start talking about the best B teams then. (I actually think the Predators are the best team out there without the 'holdback' stigma hanging over them, but they don't seem to play in the big events)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/25/16 01:25 PM

Agree 19 and 20 preds are the best team by far in the west/ct area.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/26/16 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree 19 and 20 preds are the best team by far in the west/ct area.


Umm, ok. Don't know about the 20's but for '19s they played a B schedule (sorry, "single A") last summer and still went maybe .500 I would bet. Beating 3 knights as your only win one weekend at a second tier tourney makes a hard argument that the team can beat the best ct/west teams like ExpN, eclipse, PT.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/26/16 02:13 PM

20 Preds were 17-2-1 won two tourneys and went undefeated in a Baltimore showcase this summer. Didn't play the top top, but beat some LI teams, some NJ teams, and played a lot of the non-crush/Baltimore 2020 commits--3d San Diego, BBL, fl$, Iron Horse, GA Thunder. Did better than PT in the tourney's they both played in.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/26/16 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
20 Preds were 17-2-1 won two tourneys and went undefeated in a Baltimore showcase this summer. Didn't play the top top, but beat some LI teams, some NJ teams, and played a lot of the non-crush/Baltimore 2020 commits--3d San Diego, BBL, fl$, Iron Horse, GA Thunder. Did better than PT in the tourney's they both played in.
I think everybody did better than PT in the tournaments they played in.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/26/16 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree 19 and 20 preds are the best team by far in the west/ct area.


19 Preds not close to North or PT...not at Eclipse level either
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/27/16 03:16 AM

I heard PT is picking up Trump if he loses.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/27/16 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree 19 and 20 preds are the best team by far in the west/ct area.


19 Preds not close to North or PT...not at Eclipse level either


Did Eclipse lose their big athletic 2019 middie to Express N?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/27/16 07:35 PM

There was a 2020 middie who left Eclipse for Express N, but do not think anyone from 2019.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/28/16 02:35 PM

What do the varsity programs do for winter lacrosse? I understand it can't be organized by varsity staff but I'm told some are informally organized to play in leagues together? Seems like a good idea.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/28/16 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree 19 and 20 preds are the best team by far in the west/ct area.


19 Preds not close to North or PT...not at Eclipse level either


Did Eclipse lose their big athletic 2019 middie to Express N?


Yes, he is now playing for Express North, kid is a beast.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/29/16 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree 19 and 20 preds are the best team by far in the west/ct area.


19 Preds not close to North or PT...not at Eclipse level either


Did Eclipse lose their big athletic 2019 middie to Express N?


Is he a holdback? LOL

Yes, he is now playing for Express North, kid is a beast.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/29/16 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree 19 and 20 preds are the best team by far in the west/ct area.


19 Preds not close to North or PT...not at Eclipse level either


Did Eclipse lose their big athletic 2019 middie to Express N?


Is he a holdback? LOL

Yes, he is now playing for Express North, kid is a beast.


Pretty sure no eclipse 2019 middies moved to PT......or to anywhere else actually.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/29/16 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree 19 and 20 preds are the best team by far in the west/ct area.


19 Preds not close to North or PT...not at Eclipse level either


Did Eclipse lose their big athletic 2019 middie to Express N?


Is he a holdback? LOL

Yes, he is now playing for Express North, kid is a beast.


Pretty sure no eclipse 2019 middies moved to PT......or to anywhere else actually.


Not that you're aware of. Someone pointed him out to me at practice last Sunday. Big kid.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/30/16 05:52 PM

I am new to this thread and probably naive. Who determines if a team is AA or A, etc. and is there a set criteria? My son plays for CT Chargers 2023 blue. Chargers don't separate Blue and gold teams by Aa or A. You can watch the teams and tell quickly which one is the better(blue). Tnsk in advance for the advice.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 09/30/16 07:30 PM

it really comes down to how the organization positions you in terms of tourneys and brackets - if the director places you in the best tourneys in the top brackets
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/03/16 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are pathetic! Exploiting kids for money? Do you realize how many kids actually get money for college just for lacrosse?? Hardly anyone. AND...most private schools strongly encourage kids to repeat when going to their school for developmental purposes which has nothing to do with sports. Maybe you don't know how private schools work. Stop being jealous, if you kid isn't good enough to play with kids a year older then he probably just isn't good enough to get recruited or play at a high level, there are plenty of other teams for you. Go out and have fun. So tired of listening to all the whining about hold backs, re classed kids etc


George Carlin: "What kind of empty people need to validate themselves through the achievements of their children"[/quote]

Well said. This is all driven by the parents. Yeah, I get the days of riding your bike to practice on your own are gone. And so are the days of just playing in someone's backyard but we are at the point we parents are overly engaged. I hear stories of parents taking their kid to the field and standing over them while they practice. Parents who live right near the team's practice field don't drop their kid off. They sit and watch for 2 hours and have social time with the other nutty parents who can't leave and they chatter about the "weak players" on the team. So pathetic. [/quote]

My neighbor was offered money to have his son play lacrosse in his yard with this nut jobs son. This was because his son is a very good player but the kids are not friends, although same age, he said no. So now we are paying people to play with our kids because they are good lacrosse players. I will nominate this for Pathetic Parent of the Week award.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/04/16 02:46 PM

New to the EX North program... They seem extremely unorganized with the information and team details. No reply to emails.
Did people have a good experience with them in the past?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/04/16 03:54 PM

Schreiber is a great coach, kids are clearly getting seen by colleges , but organizationally , he is the last to post his details etc, he gets it done, you just need patience
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/04/16 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
New to the EX North program... They seem extremely unorganized with the information and team details. No reply to emails.
Did people have a good experience with them in the past?


You take the good with the bad. You get some really good coaching, the indoor training could be greatly improved, communication gets a fail. Is your son with Ex North for the coaching and training or the opportunity for college exposure?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/04/16 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Schreiber is a great coach, kids are clearly getting seen by colleges , but organizationally , he is the last to post his details etc, he gets it done, you just need patience


While true, Express "South" on LI isnt much better - probably not helped by trying to figure out how many teams they can get into all the "elite" events.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/04/16 07:24 PM

bottom line is Schreiber gets it together in more than enough time and runs a great program
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/04/16 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Schreiber is a great coach, kids are clearly getting seen by colleges , but organizationally , he is the last to post his details etc, he gets it done, you just need patience


While true, Express "South" on LI isnt much better - probably not helped by trying to figure out how many teams they can get into all the "elite" events.



Thats the problem. between 2 Li teams 2 north 1 CT and a DC team or 2 all in the same class you just cant get them all in to the elite tournaments. PT and Predators are both going to much better events this fall.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/05/16 01:01 PM

look at tri state x1 in purchase they basically just fill spots on the paren't companies B tourneys - they don't even try and get into the good tourneys I just don't see how that program will ever grow without the allure of top tourneys in top brackets - even the higher classes don't go to the show case tourneys
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/05/16 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Schreiber is a great coach, kids are clearly getting seen by colleges , but organizationally , he is the last to post his details etc, he gets it done, you just need patience


While true, Express "South" on LI isnt much better - probably not helped by trying to figure out how many teams they can get into all the "elite" events.


Predators will not be at any of the events for 2019 where PT, Express North or Express LI will be.

Express CT, DC are not the same level as North or LI - same as team (88+3) outside of LI, is not overly competitive nor do they play in the same events as Orange does. Every program has its top team or two. (88+3), Madlax, Laxachussetts, Express...

Thats the problem. between 2 Li teams 2 north 1 CT and a DC team or 2 all in the same class you just cant get them all in to the elite tournaments. PT and Predators are both going to much better events this fall.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/05/16 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Schreiber is a great coach, kids are clearly getting seen by colleges , but organizationally , he is the last to post his details etc, he gets it done, you just need patience


While true, Express "South" on LI isnt much better - probably not helped by trying to figure out how many teams they can get into all the "elite" events.



Thats the problem. between 2 Li teams 2 north 1 CT and a DC team or 2 all in the same class you just cant get them all in to the elite tournaments. PT and Predators are both going to much better events this fall.


The Express L.I. program will always receive preferential treatment. The big profits must come from them with their bloated rosters so they will receive the choicest tournament slots and showcase invites. Its just good business. Plus, its where it all began.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/07/16 12:08 AM

Can anyone give me opinions about RevWestchester 2012 team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/07/16 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone give me opinions about RevWestchester 2012 team?


Who? What year?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/11/16 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Schreiber is a great coach, kids are clearly getting seen by colleges , but organizationally , he is the last to post his details etc, he gets it done, you just need patience


While true, Express "South" on LI isnt much better - probably not helped by trying to figure out how many teams they can get into all the "elite" events.



Thats the problem. between 2 Li teams 2 north 1 CT and a DC team or 2 all in the same class you just cant get them all in to the elite tournaments. PT and Predators are both going to much better events this fall.


The Express L.I. program will always receive preferential treatment. The big profits must come from them with their bloated rosters so they will receive the choicest tournament slots and showcase invites. Its just good business. Plus, its where it all began.


What are the best showcases to attend? Are the best showcases invite only? What programs get their kids into these showcases?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/11/16 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
bottom line is Schreiber gets it together in more than enough time and runs a great program


Not really a ringing endorsement. I don't want the person that I'm handing $5-6k to coach and teach my son to "get it together in time".

These programs should be highly organized, not carry 25 players on each team, develop the players and be very active in getting these kids recruited. That's the sales pitch I was told and we should hold them accountable.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/11/16 03:17 PM

I THINK SCHREIBER GETS IT DONE - just look at the amount of express north kids on the recruiting lists
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/11/16 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
bottom line is Schreiber gets it together in more than enough time and runs a great program


Not really a ringing endorsement. I don't want the person that I'm handing $5-6k to coach and teach my son to "get it together in time".

These programs should be highly organized, not carry 25 players on each team, develop the players and be very active in getting these kids recruited. That's the sales pitch I was told and we should hold them accountable.


"Sales Pitch" Is exactly what it is!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/11/16 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
bottom line is Schreiber gets it together in more than enough time and runs a great program


Not really a ringing endorsement. I don't want the person that I'm handing $5-6k to coach and teach my son to "get it together in time".

These programs should be highly organized, not carry 25 players on each team, develop the players and be very active in getting these kids recruited. That's the sales pitch I was told and we should hold them accountable.


"Sales Pitch" Is exactly what it is!


Express on LI carries bloated rosters - 30+
Express North, both the 18s and 19s, are small rosters, barely 20 each. That is in fact the "sales pitch" - "your kid will play because we dont have 30 players."
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/11/16 06:25 PM

prime time rosters can be 24 kids that seems high if your wanting to get exposure , I would rather pay extra and get the time
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/12/16 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
bottom line is Schreiber gets it together in more than enough time and runs a great program


Not really a ringing endorsement. I don't want the person that I'm handing $5-6k to coach and teach my son to "get it together in time".

These programs should be highly organized, not carry 25 players on each team, develop the players and be very active in getting these kids recruited. That's the sales pitch I was told and we should hold them accountable.


"Sales Pitch" Is exactly what it is!


Express on LI carries bloated rosters - 30+
Express North, both the 18s and 19s, are small rosters, barely 20 each. That is in fact the "sales pitch" - "your kid will play because we dont have 30 players."


These are businesses, everything you are told is a sales pitch. Question is, do you get what you were sold? Are kids developing their skills? Are they having fun? College exposure?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/12/16 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I THINK SCHREIBER GETS IT DONE - just look at the amount of express north kids on the recruiting lists


How many? Please tell us college and position
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/12/16 03:37 PM

look at recruitingrundown, pretty self explanatory by year
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/12/16 03:49 PM

in all fairness relative to population , etc, primetime and express north have done extremely well in terms of recruiting
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/12/16 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I THINK SCHREIBER GETS IT DONE - just look at the amount of express north kids on the recruiting lists


How many? Please tell us college and position


2018 - Hopkins, Georgetown, Villanova, Fairfield, St. John's, Bryant (2), Providence, Brown, Colgate, Holy Cross, Boston University

2019 - Michigan (2), Lafayette, Princeton, Air Force, Richmond, High Point
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/13/16 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I THINK SCHREIBER GETS IT DONE - just look at the amount of express north kids on the recruiting lists


How many? Please tell us college and position


2018 - Hopkins, Georgetown, Villanova, Fairfield, St. John's, Bryant (2), Providence, Brown, Colgate, Holy Cross, Boston University

2019 - Michigan (2), Lafayette, Princeton, Air Force, Richmond, High Point


Pretty darn impressive. I wonder how many of these kids would have had a difficult time gaining entrance to the school without lacrosse. I'm sure the parents of these kids are very happy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/13/16 03:23 PM

All great players. Now let's see if the other 10 on the team get committed.
I think that's what people are looking for.
PT usually gets the full team committed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/14/16 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I THINK SCHREIBER GETS IT DONE - just look at the amount of express north kids on the recruiting lists


How many? Please tell us college and position


2018 - Hopkins, Georgetown, Villanova, Fairfield, St. John's, Bryant (2), Providence, Brown, Colgate, Holy Cross, Boston University

2019 - Michigan (2), Lafayette, Princeton, Air Force, Richmond, High Point


I've heard some HS coaches resent the fact that their kids are getting committed via club teams. Has anyone heard of backlash against these kids? My son is a 2021, uncommitted but hoping.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/14/16 02:05 PM

I DONT WANT TO BE MEAN - BUT with kids getting recruited earlier and earlier, not so sure hs even matters much as far as recruiting is concerned
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/14/16 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I DONT WANT TO BE MEAN - BUT with kids getting recruited earlier and earlier, not so sure hs even matters much as far as recruiting is concerned


We're all human, coaches have favorites and those they just don't like (for whatever reason). Varsity coaches do matter when it comes to allocating playing time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/14/16 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I DONT WANT TO BE MEAN - BUT with kids getting recruited earlier and earlier, not so sure hs even matters much as far as recruiting is concerned


Ahh the Westchester thread....home to more shills per page than any other on BOTC.

Get it together folks. The line between HS coaches and club teams is VERY thin.

You would all be well served to review the LI threads. At least there everyone knows who runs the game.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/14/16 06:01 PM

if your getting recruited in 9th grade - most colleges are calling your club director
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/14/16 06:19 PM

Not every commit is that young - there is still a lot of recruiting of HS players, so, yeah, HS coaches would conceivably be in the mix there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/17/16 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I DONT WANT TO BE MEAN - BUT with kids getting recruited earlier and earlier, not so sure hs even matters much as far as recruiting is concerned


Ahh the Westchester thread....home to more shills per page than any other on BOTC.

Get it together folks. The line between HS coaches and club teams is VERY thin.

You would all be well served to review the LI threads. At least there everyone knows who runs the game.

Ahhh yes, the famous Long Island Lacrosse parent. More in tune, and living through their lax son or daughter than the rest of the country. I guess if I had nothing else to do I could review all the gold star LI threads.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/17/16 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I DONT WANT TO BE MEAN - BUT with kids getting recruited earlier and earlier, not so sure hs even matters much as far as recruiting is concerned


Ahh the Westchester thread....home to more shills per page than any other on BOTC.

Get it together folks. The line between HS coaches and club teams is VERY thin.

You would all be well served to review the LI threads. At least there everyone knows who runs the game.

Ahhh yes, the famous Long Island Lacrosse parent. More in tune, and living through their lax son or daughter than the rest of the country. I guess if I had nothing else to do I could review all the gold star LI threads.


The amount of time spent by LI parents on BOTC forum is sad. Nothing posted matters or makes a difference. HS coaches removed for various reasons, who's not getting playing time because of a coaches bias, what lax Mom is sleeping with which lax Dad..... The Jersey Shore has nothing on LI Lax Life.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/17/16 08:43 PM

Our HS coach actually made generalized, derogatory comments about the boys playing travel. He has actually held it against these boys, tending to play boys with more size less skill and boys that have never played versus the boys that play travel. Nose meet face.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/17/16 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our HS coach actually made generalized, derogatory comments about the boys playing travel. He has actually held it against these boys, tending to play boys with more size less skill and boys that have never played versus the boys that play travel. Nose meet face.


So long as there is no conflict, what exactly does a HS coach see about travel lax as being a problem??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/19/16 12:15 PM

News flash....HS coaches funnel their best players to their (the coach's) club teams. Why?

Short term - cash. More players more money.

Mid term - serving as a conduit in the recruiting process

long term - advertising recruiting commitments in order to further the club brand and attract more players (aka...Selling the hype).

repeat again, and again, and again.

Mike, Jack, and Keith are the masters of the game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/20/16 12:59 PM

This may be true in Long Island, but how many Lax Clubs in Westchester are owned by HS head coaches. I don't think there are many. I can name just two: Superstar and Westchester Warriors. Are there others?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/20/16 01:23 PM

2-way, chargers, ballers, eclipse, and I'm pretty sure express is a 'franchise' operator meaning the operators have significant upside in the financial performance of the unit.

Coffee time
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/21/16 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This may be true in Long Island, but how many Lax Clubs in Westchester are owned by HS head coaches. I don't think there are many. I can name just two: Superstar and Westchester Warriors. Are there others?
One could say Prime Time, which is run by a John Jay assistant coach, but other than a few token John Jay kids he carries, (who are generally the weakest on his teams) he's become all about the repeat/prep school player who are more apt to be recruited.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/21/16 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This may be true in Long Island, but how many Lax Clubs in Westchester are owned by HS head coaches. I don't think there are many. I can name just two: Superstar and Westchester Warriors. Are there others?
One could say Prime Time, which is run by a John Jay assistant coach, but other than a few token John Jay kids he carries, (who are generally the weakest on his teams) he's become all about the repeat/prep school player who are more apt to be recruited.


Sounds like a disgruntled John Jay parent whose kid was cut from Primetime..........
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/21/16 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This may be true in Long Island, but how many Lax Clubs in Westchester are owned by HS head coaches. I don't think there are many. I can name just two: Superstar and Westchester Warriors. Are there others?
One could say Prime Time, which is run by a John Jay assistant coach, but other than a few token John Jay kids he carries, (who are generally the weakest on his teams) he's become all about the repeat/prep school player who are more apt to be recruited.


That seems to be the new business model at PT, and please do not forget these are businesses. How do you attract kids to your program? Market the number of committed players you have on your rosters. Who is most likely to be committed and early? The holdbacks and they were obviously added to rosters this year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/23/16 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This may be true in Long Island, but how many Lax Clubs in Westchester are owned by HS head coaches. I don't think there are many. I can name just two: Superstar and Westchester Warriors. Are there others?
One could say Prime Time, which is run by a John Jay assistant coach, but other than a few token John Jay kids he carries, (who are generally the weakest on his teams) he's become all about the repeat/prep school player who are more apt to be recruited.


Sounds like a disgruntled John Jay parent whose kid was cut from Primetime..........
Sorry, Ct. based, maybe you should have re-read the statement before posting. Disgruntled, yes. But more about the hold-back/repeat phenomena that IMO is affecting lacrosse in a negative way. In response to the original post, Yes PT owned by a coach of John Jay, but because of his business model to fill rosters with players more likely to get recruited, (nothing wrong with that) any conflict of interest with the John Jay program would be less than similar programs on Long Island.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/24/16 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This may be true in Long Island, but how many Lax Clubs in Westchester are owned by HS head coaches. I don't think there are many. I can name just two: Superstar and Westchester Warriors. Are there others?
One could say Prime Time, which is run by a John Jay assistant coach, but other than a few token John Jay kids he carries, (who are generally the weakest on his teams) he's become all about the repeat/prep school player who are more apt to be recruited.


Sounds like a disgruntled John Jay parent whose kid was cut from Primetime..........
Sorry, Ct. based, maybe you should have re-read the statement before posting. Disgruntled, yes. But more about the hold-back/repeat phenomena that IMO is affecting lacrosse in a negative way. In response to the original post, Yes PT owned by a coach of John Jay, but because of his business model to fill rosters with players more likely to get recruited, (nothing wrong with that) any conflict of interest with the John Jay program would be less than similar programs on Long Island.


Holdbacks are taking showcase spots from the deserving. So they couldn't cut it at their appropriate age (or just one year holdback), so they drop down to play younger kids. Lame. Cheating and taking showcase spots from kids who are age appropriate. Parents should be ashamed and please stop creating new reasons why it was necessary. "His Aunt's illness caused a bought of grief which affected his ability to perform and succeed in the classroom....YADA YADA YADA.." Translation: He is not the superstar on the field that we want him to be and we know he should be, so we will have him play against younger kids to provide that false sense of superiority..."

Lame. Please feel free to launch a holdback supporting retort and your unique stories of necessity.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/24/16 01:57 PM

I totally agree! Simple solution, make club teams/ tourneys age based...seems to work well in youth soccer. It eliminates parents/coaches ability to "stack" teams. The WSYL final game was a disgrace last July.

what percentage of 8th graders are getting recruited? 1%? Less? Those few boys are incredible athletes and incredibly talented and will end up at top D1 lax schools no matter what! The other 90 something percent feel the huge pressure to " get recruited", their parents spend $$$$ on ridiculous showcases.

Club coaches now look for the reclassifed kids and hold backs and now double hold backs....the poor age appropriate kid that does well in school but still hasn't hit puberty is screwed!
Posted By: Anonymous

Fall Tourneys? - 10/24/16 04:51 PM

Any area club teams play in any fall tourneys yet? What ones are teams attending?

Bulldog Bash always attracts a handful.
The Pumpkin SUNY Purchase this weekend didn't draw name clubs.

Would it be asking too much to have PT-Preds-Eclipse-2Way-ExpressNorth-Ballers do a local jam?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Fall Tourneys? - 10/24/16 05:28 PM

***** went down to LI a week back to do an informal 4-team mini-'tournament' - $10 a kid for refs, 3 games for each team, and all was very even competition. That's what more teams should do a few weekends, especially in the fall!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Fall Tourneys? - 10/24/16 06:22 PM

that is a great idea except the tourney directors (club owners) wont make nearly as much as they do now.
Posted By: stich2681

Re: Fall Tourneys? - 10/25/16 08:37 PM

Would it be possible to change the name of this thread back to Westchester Youth Lacrosse or something with Westchester in it? Tks
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Fall Tourneys? - 10/26/16 03:02 AM

Here-here to that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Something With Westchester In It - 10/26/16 10:55 AM

Not sure
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/26/16 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I totally agree! Simple solution, make club teams/ tourneys age based...seems to work well in youth soccer. It eliminates parents/coaches ability to "stack" teams. The WSYL final game was a disgrace last July.

what percentage of 8th graders are getting recruited? 1%? Less? Those few boys are incredible athletes and incredibly talented and will end up at top D1 lax schools no matter what! The other 90 something percent feel the huge pressure to " get recruited", their parents spend $$$$ on ridiculous showcases.

Club coaches now look for the reclassifed kids and hold backs and now double hold backs....the poor age appropriate kid that does well in school but still hasn't hit puberty is screwed!


This is all too true and quite lamentable.

The trouble is that college coaches want the most well developed players they can get. And because there is no upside after college, everyone positions for it.

Some parents and kids would sell their souls in order to be able to say they are a D1 commit.

The clubs have little interest in anything but getting kids committed because that is what drives the hype and therefore the money. And make no mistake about it, the money is the key. They are businesses and seek to maximize profits.

It is kinda sad and personally I'd be embarrassed if my son had to 'play down' to compete, as would my son. We generally laugh at the repeaters.

Some are probably poised to shoot arrows at me and say that my son is probably not good enough to compete. Well that is half true. He is a very solid player who is a bit undersized but doing very well academically at a top high school. His path to college includes good grades, ACT's, and SAT's and perhaps using lacrosse as a hook. Very little chance he is top ten D1 material. I'm OK with that and so is he. He loves the sport and keeps it in perspective.

The frustrating part is that "on age" he is really quite good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester NY Youth Lacrosse - 10/26/16 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I totally agree! Simple solution, make club teams/ tourneys age based...seems to work well in youth soccer. It eliminates parents/coaches ability to "stack" teams. The WSYL final game was a disgrace last July.

what percentage of 8th graders are getting recruited? 1%? Less? Those few boys are incredible athletes and incredibly talented and will end up at top D1 lax schools no matter what! The other 90 something percent feel the huge pressure to " get recruited", their parents spend $$$$ on ridiculous showcases.

Club coaches now look for the reclassifed kids and hold backs and now double hold backs....the poor age appropriate kid that does well in school but still hasn't hit puberty is screwed!


This is all too true and quite lamentable.

The trouble is that college coaches want the most well developed players they can get. And because there is no upside after college, everyone positions for it.

Some parents and kids would sell their souls in order to be able to say they are a D1 commit.

The clubs have little interest in anything but getting kids committed because that is what drives the hype and therefore the money. And make no mistake about it, the money is the key. They are businesses and seek to maximize profits.

It is kinda sad and personally I'd be embarrassed if my son had to 'play down' to compete, as would my son. We generally laugh at the repeaters.

Some are probably poised to shoot arrows at me and say that my son is probably not good enough to compete. Well that is half true. He is a very solid player who is a bit undersized but doing very well academically at a top high school. His path to college includes good grades, ACT's, and SAT's and perhaps using lacrosse as a hook. Very little chance he is top ten D1 material. I'm OK with that and so is he. He loves the sport and keeps it in perspective.

The frustrating part is that "on age" he is really quite good.
When I read this , I thought I wrote it myself. It is spot on for my son also, who after 5 years on a so-called A team lost his position to a kid almost 2 years older. Went to a B/C team's try-outs where most couldn't even do a line drill. Luckily his HS has intra-mural lax in Fall , Box in Winter, and 3 teams in the Spring, so he decided to skip playing summer lacrosse this year, which of course he may regret next June.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re:Westchester Youth Lacrosse or something with Westchester in it - 10/26/16 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by stich2681
Would it be possible to change the name of this thread back to Westchester Youth Lacrosse or something with Westchester in it? Tks


here you go
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Fall Tourneys? - 10/26/16 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by stich2681
Would it be possible to change the name of this thread back to Westchester Youth Lacrosse or something with Westchester in it? Tks
Unlike Long Island, not sure there is any pure Westchester Youth lacrosse. The AA & A Summer Travel teams have a large contingent of Ct. players on them, and most of the better spring town teams play in CONNY, or the Hudson Valley League.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re:Westchester Youth Lacrosse or something with Westchester in it - 10/26/16 06:00 PM

Okay, the header joke was funny the first time but it is getting stale. Can we please label this thread "Westchester Lacrosse". Thanks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re:Westchester Youth Lacrosse or something with Westchester in it - 10/27/16 02:40 PM

here here!
Posted By: Anonymous

Westchester Lacrosse - 10/27/16 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
here here!


Have at it anyone couldve done it though
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 10/28/16 05:01 PM

Holdbacks deprive those kids of appropriate age of spots at the higher levels.

Exactly the opposite of growing the game, holdbacks are effectively shrinking the pool of players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 10/29/16 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Holdbacks deprive those kids of appropriate age of spots at the higher levels.

Exactly the opposite of growing the game, holdbacks are effectively shrinking the pool of players.


While this may true nothing is going happen till the college coaches get on board. You don't know how many times a college coach encouraged a player to repeat or declare a PG year. Happens all the time.

If the people who will end up being their coaches are telling them to do it, what are they supposed to do?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 10/29/16 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Holdbacks deprive those kids of appropriate age of spots at the higher levels.

Exactly the opposite of growing the game, holdbacks are effectively shrinking the pool of players.


While this may true nothing is going happen till the college coaches get on board. You don't know how many times a college coach encouraged a player to repeat or declare a PG year. Happens all the time.

If the people who will end up being their coaches are telling them to do it, what are they supposed to do?
Both of these posts are absolutely correct. Public school parents of very good players (not the 'great' player) have a bit of a dilemma if their son ever has hopes of playing at a D1. Just looking at D1 rosters filled with prep school players is all you need to know. (There are a few exceptions of course)
Posted By: Anonymous

Purchase Tourney - 10/30/16 05:05 PM

With few tourneys in Westchester, fall Pumpkin Shootout tourney was a good thing. Decent turnout of teams and players from the area. As this board has noted impossible to get local clubs to play one another but events like this one help.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Purchase Tourney - 10/31/16 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
With few tourneys in Westchester, fall Pumpkin Shootout tourney was a good thing. Decent turnout of teams and players from the area. As this board has noted impossible to get local clubs to play one another but events like this one help.


So we didn't have to drive 5 hours each way to play three short games in MD? I heard the Pumpkin Shootout was well run, congrats.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Purchase Tourney - 10/31/16 10:52 PM

So you didn't have to drive 5 hours, but played a weak [lacrosse] tournament and created a link for it? Pathetic
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Purchase Tourney - 11/01/16 01:10 AM

2024 had igloo and outlaw select. 2 better than average teams It would be nice to see express north and primetime join in.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Purchase Tourney - 11/01/16 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So you didn't have to drive 5 hours, but played a weak [lacrosse] tournament and created a link for it? Pathetic
So what's pathetic about it? Yes I get it. Your son is the number one recruit out of Westchester, just waiting for that full scholarship to Johns Hopkins, and you personally enjoy sitting at the Delaware Mem. Bridge, but you know for the rest of us out there with mere B players compared to your superstar a few well run local tournaments is just what this area needs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Purchase Tourney - 11/02/16 03:13 PM

Westchester can certainly be the base for a few very well run tournaments. Canada, Massachusetts, LI....all shorter drives than MD. I hope we see more of these.
Posted By: Anonymous

Westchester Lacrosse - 11/03/16 05:10 PM

Any local club teams going to the Yale tournament. I believe Predators will be there. How about any high school teams?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/07/16 04:24 PM

Good showing by Westchester teams this weekend. Both Primetime and Preds 2020s go 3-0 at Adrenaline DE.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/07/16 07:21 PM

How did CT Chargers 2020 do?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/07/16 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did CT Chargers 2020 do?
They only lost to 2019 Prime Time, I'm sorry, I meant 2020 Prime Time......
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/08/16 12:55 PM

How many holdbacks on 2020 PT?

Everybody has a couple. Is PT particularly 'old'?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/08/16 02:33 PM

As organizations, both did well. Both had teams playing in 2020, 2019 and 2018. Each team played three games. Preds went 8-1 and PT went 7-1-1


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/08/16 04:21 PM

Dosnt sound like a very competitive tournament to have 2 local teams dominate like that, unless all the scores were tight games.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/08/16 07:37 PM

Out of all the programs in the area it is clear that Eclipse is in the top recruiting events..for 2020
NLF 2020
Big 4
NLF fall team

I would have thought a different big program North but they are not in ANY of the top 2020 events.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/08/16 08:34 PM

Why do you say that? Do you know the quality of the teams that they played? Can you say definitively that any of those teams they played are or are not good quality teams? Every year teams change their rosters. Its a well respected tournament with lots of teams wanting to participate. The Westchester teams did pretty well. No one is saying they are the best in the nation. Why belittle the accomplishment?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/09/16 11:18 AM

My guess is that Eclipse and North will be at overlapping events next summer. Should be a good matchup as both teams appear strong IMO but have very different styles of play.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/09/16 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Out of all the programs in the area it is clear that Eclipse is in the top recruiting events..for 2020
NLF 2020
Big 4
NLF fall team

I would have thought a different big program North but they are not in ANY of the top 2020 events.

Eclipse 2020 will continue to lose around 80% of their games against NLF teams. They are not a strong team at all.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/09/16 12:32 PM

How are the styles of play different between Eclipse and North?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/09/16 03:11 PM

If North keeps getting blocked out of NLF events because of the other top 2 or 3 LIE teams then maybe some kids will move to Eclipse to reap the benefits of being a NLF member club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/09/16 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If North keeps getting blocked out of NLF events because of the other top 2 or 3 LIE teams then maybe some kids will move to Eclipse to reap the benefits of being a NLF member club.

This doesnt happen at all at the older age groups
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/09/16 05:07 PM

Of course it does. 21, 20
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/09/16 07:07 PM

maybe Trump will ban holdbacks...will give 99% of the people on this board nothing to complain about!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/09/16 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Of course it does. 21, 20


Older than 2020 would be 18s and 19s - they are in all the NLF events
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/09/16 09:08 PM

I would argue that after top 2020 LIE team from LI, 2020 North team is second best within the Express umbrella.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/09/16 09:26 PM

Why do you believe the NLF events define what teams/organizations are good?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/10/16 06:47 PM

Why are you assuming that 2020 North is blocked out when the 18's and 19's North teams are there? Maybe they are not going this weekend for other reasons. North is a charter member of the NLF, while Eclipse just joined. Makes no sense that Eclipse would get the nod and North get shut out
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/10/16 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you believe the NLF events define what teams/organizations are good?


Because they believe the hype.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/10/16 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why are you assuming that 2020 North is blocked out when the 18's and 19's North teams are there? Maybe they are not going this weekend for other reasons. North is a charter member of the NLF, while Eclipse just joined. Makes no sense that Eclipse would get the nod and North get shut out


True, it makes no sense but Eclipse 2020 was at Boys Latin (NLF)
and is going to Fall elite Invitational (NLF). Exp North 2020 is not at either. Eclipse also at Big4 this weekend with other top teams and I only see LIE on the schedule. so it seems LIE North is not getting in for whatever reasons. Maybe just 1 team allowed per event? Would be nice to see them compete with the top tier teams or is Eclipse that much better?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/13/16 06:49 PM

Preds 2020s putting together something special. Last fall 7-1 with only loss to Crush. Summer 17-2-1. This fall 6-0. Combined 30-2-1 in Fall/Summer/Fall. We'll see this weekend at Philly Freshman how they match up agains better competition, but in two decent (non NLF) tourneys this fall something like a 50 goal differential over 6 games. Competition wasn't tough, but they can only play the teams they play. Good team got better this fall. Certainly best 2020 in Westchester and should be able to play anywhere.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/14/16 05:45 PM

Preds are a solid team and will face a test this weekend. Let's see how it turns out before we announce the emergence of a super power.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/14/16 05:46 PM

How did Eclipse do at Big 4 last weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/15/16 06:27 PM

Eclipse 2021 got their [lacrosse] kicked but I'm sure they were missing players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/15/16 06:49 PM

Eclipse was missing 15 players..lets see this weekend with team back at NLF
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/15/16 07:24 PM

Missing 15 players? How did they even play then? There are only 18 kids on the top 2021 roster and then talent level drops off with second team....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/15/16 07:48 PM

Brought B team kids..
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/16/16 07:02 PM

Will preds sweep agaian this weekend?

Next Level
BBL
fl$
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/16/16 11:00 PM

Lots of local teams playing at Yale this weekend. Should be a good time: 3D Tristate, Primetime, Chargers, Predators, House of Sports, Westchester warriors, Superstar. Good luck to all.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/16/16 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will preds sweep agaian this weekend?

Next Level
BBL
fl$
Is BBL a good team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/17/16 12:50 PM

The holdback issue came full circle this weekend. The LI Express 2019 team beat the Ed*e team from Canada and it wasn't very close. They played dirty after being down 3-4 goals early and were never in the game. But, what stood out to me was how some of these kids used to be so physically imposing and were now just cheap shot artists who could no longer compete with kids who have caught up in development. Yes, they are still a year or two older but it doesn't matter anymore. No one needs to wonder why programs like Hopkins have been struggling, they have been recruiting kids like these and hoping it works out. The JH commit was hitting kids late and futility slashing. The kids said their coach apologized after the game for the cheap shots but regardless, the page has turned on that team. The result of playing against younger kids is standing out in the short term, so I guess until colleges stop recruiting so early, this will continue.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/17/16 12:55 PM

Yes. 2020 BBL beat 2020-ish Primetime last weekend in Del by one goal. Competitive but sloppy game for both sides.

FL$ 2020 made huge improvements last year and will be tough, but not un-beatable. They have played a cupcake schedule so far this fall.

Next Level is also very solid and on any given day could beat any of them.

This should be a very competitive bracket.

But bear in mind, it is only the fall season.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/17/16 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will preds sweep agaian this weekend?

Next Level
BBL
fl$
Is BBL a good team?


Great battles last year with FL$. two one goal games and a tie.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/17/16 07:47 PM

LIE or LIE North?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/17/16 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes. 2020 BBL beat 2020-ish Primetime last weekend in Del by one goal. Competitive but sloppy game for both sides.

FL$ 2020 made huge improvements last year and will be tough, but not un-beatable. They have played a cupcake schedule so far this fall.

Next Level is also very solid and on any given day could beat any of them.

This should be a very competitive bracket.

But bear in mind, it is only the fall season.

BBL also lost on Sunday to the Outlaws from L.I., and they are not strong in the 2020 year at all.. Outlaws got soundly beat in their other 2 games.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/18/16 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
BBL also lost on Sunday to the Outlaws from L.I., and they are not strong in the 2020 year at all.. Outlaws got soundly beat in their other 2 games.


So true. None of these teams has all the parts and answers. On any given day any of them can look terrific, or like crap, and often can do both on the same day!

And I think you find this often with teams a cut below the top level filled with kids trying to 'be seen'. Team concepts can get thrown out the window pretty quickly.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/18/16 02:08 PM

Next Level clearly the best team in this bracket by a very wide margin i would say goal dif should be +25
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/18/16 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
LIE or LIE North?


LIE North
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/18/16 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The holdback issue came full circle this weekend. The LI Express 2019 team beat the Ed*e team from Canada and it wasn't very close. They played dirty after being down 3-4 goals early and were never in the game. But, what stood out to me was how some of these kids used to be so physically imposing and were now just cheap shot artists who could no longer compete with kids who have caught up in development. Yes, they are still a year or two older but it doesn't matter anymore. No one needs to wonder why programs like Hopkins have been struggling, they have been recruiting kids like these and hoping it works out. The JH commit was hitting kids late and futility slashing. The kids said their coach apologized after the game for the cheap shots but regardless, the page has turned on that team. The result of playing against younger kids is standing out in the short term, so I guess until colleges stop recruiting so early, this will continue.


LIE North, not LIE.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/20/16 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will preds sweep agaian this weekend?

Next Level
BBL
fl$

Evidently no
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/21/16 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will preds sweep agaian this weekend?

Next Level
BBL
fl$

They beat the For the Love of Money team and lost their other games.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/21/16 11:41 AM

Prime time swept . 2021, 2022, 2023. Divisions and went 500 at 2025
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/21/16 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Prime time swept . 2021, 2022, 2023. Divisions and went 500 at 2025


Nick, are you posting again? Welcome back.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/21/16 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Next Level clearly the best team in this bracket by a very wide margin i would say goal dif should be +25


How did they do?
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/21/16 07:42 PM

PrimeTime at Fall Bulldog showed despite the slow starts of many of their young teams the past couple years, by the time they start getting to 6th grade, PT teams start to pull ahead of other clubs. Players want to go where other top players have gone. Other clubs chipping away but not there yet.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/21/16 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
PrimeTime at Fall Bulldog showed despite the slow starts of many of their young teams the past couple years, by the time they start getting to 6th grade, PT teams start to pull ahead of other clubs. Players want to go where other top players have gone. Other clubs chipping away but not there yet.


Leading the holdback push not really something to celebrate.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/21/16 08:48 PM

You won a B tournament..Great job!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PrimeTime at Fall Bulldog showed despite the slow starts of many of their young teams the past couple years, by the time they start getting to 6th grade, PT teams start to pull ahead of other clubs. Players want to go where other top players have gone. Other clubs chipping away but not there yet.


Leading the holdback push not really something to celebrate.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/22/16 12:36 AM

Relative to what. ? b tourney. ? Ok. So wasn't 91 crush. Or bandits or whatever. But good showing of local teams. Jerk off- wasn't empire , fighting ducks either
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/22/16 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Prime time swept . 2021, 2022, 2023. Divisions and went 500 at 2025


slow down. No eclipse, BBL, Express, 92, Igloo
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/22/16 02:50 AM

Is BBL a good program? First time I saw themn was at Trilogy Tournament, and people here said that it is a C tournament
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/22/16 01:47 PM

Philly Freshman (2020's)
Pool 6
Team.........W....L...T...GD...GA...GS
FL$............2....1...0...3....15...18
Next Level...2....1...0...6....11...17
BBL............1....2...0...-3...21...18
Predators....1....2...0...-6...19...13

As I expected, it was a very competitive pool.

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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/28/16 02:16 PM

The Yorktown boys had a fun day of lacrosse at the Gobbler Games on Sunday. Three exciting games and lots of laughs. Thanks to the John Jay guys for running the event and handing out those shiny trophies and medals.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/29/16 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Yorktown boys had a fun day of lacrosse at the Gobbler Games on Sunday. Three exciting games and lots of laughs. Thanks to the John Jay guys for running the event and handing out those shiny trophies and medals.


Nice day for Yorktown 8th grade upsetting Prime Time, I mean John Jay. Gobbler was a lot of fun but unfortunately many "town teams" had more than a few out of town elite club players. Once again proving that people have abandoned playing among their friends from town just so they can show how awesome their club buddies are. The fun continues to get sucked out of the game. Oh, and Yorktown won because despite being half the size they played like a team rather than the Prime Time, I mean John Jay, approach of just trying to pound it in one on one.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/29/16 04:21 AM

Interesting....heard it was a fun day...lots of touches..fast paced 7v7. Anyone witness the 7 th grade championship game? Heard it was pretty intense!
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/29/16 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Yorktown boys had a fun day of lacrosse at the Gobbler Games on Sunday. Three exciting games and lots of laughs. Thanks to the John Jay guys for running the event and handing out those shiny trophies and medals.


Nice day for Yorktown 8th grade upsetting Prime Time, I mean John Jay. Gobbler was a lot of fun but unfortunately many "town teams" had more than a few out of town elite club players. Once again proving that people have abandoned playing among their friends from town just so they can show how awesome their club buddies are. The fun continues to get sucked out of the game. Oh, and Yorktown won because despite being half the size they played like a team rather than the Prime Time, I mean John Jay, approach of just trying to pound it in one on one.
I'm guessing most of the Yorktown kids play for the Ballers, no? But yes, the JJ/PT one on one style of lacrosse continues to serve them well against Yorktown at all levels. They always seem have one anointed superstar at each grade level. That being said, Gobbler Games are just meant to be a fun, fast paced day of lacrosse at the end of the season. Which they are, and getting better each year.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/29/16 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Yorktown boys had a fun day of lacrosse at the Gobbler Games on Sunday. Three exciting games and lots of laughs. Thanks to the John Jay guys for running the event and handing out those shiny trophies and medals.


Nice day for Yorktown 8th grade upsetting Prime Time, I mean John Jay. Gobbler was a lot of fun but unfortunately many "town teams" had more than a few out of town elite club players. Once again proving that people have abandoned playing among their friends from town just so they can show how awesome their club buddies are. The fun continues to get sucked out of the game. Oh, and Yorktown won because despite being half the size they played like a team rather than the Prime Time, I mean John Jay, approach of just trying to pound it in one on one.
I'm guessing most of the Yorktown kids play for the Ballers, no? But yes, the JJ/PT one on one style of lacrosse continues to serve them well against Yorktown at all levels. They always seem have one anointed superstar at each grade level. That being said, Gobbler Games are just meant to be a fun, fast paced day of lacrosse at the end of the season. Which they are, and getting better each year.


I believe he was highlighting the JJ roster was far more PrimeTime than John Jay. Yorktown was all kids from YAC. Town team. I hope this fun little tournament doesn't turn into full blown, win at all cost rosters stuffed with club team players from all over the region. It should be town teams playing against other town teams as it was intended and advertised. If it does continue to morph into club rosters, it will ruin the spirit of the games. Our kids play in enough of those tournaments and we'd be inclined to stay home next year.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/29/16 01:50 PM

Only 2-3 play for the Balllers, some play for Prime Time some for Express, some don't play travel at all.... but... they are all Yorktown kids.. Fun local tournament.. wish their were more like it
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/29/16 03:32 PM

There was 3 non John Jay kids on the team, apparently because they couldn't get enough JJ kids to play.

Who cares anyway, Yorktown beat them fair and square, they played great as someone mentioned earlier. And its supposed to be a fun tournament which it is.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/29/16 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
There was 3 non John Jay kids on the team, apparently because they couldn't get enough JJ kids to play.

Who cares anyway, Yorktown beat them fair and square, they played great as someone mentioned earlier. And its supposed to be a fun tournament which it is.


It should be pointed out that the JJ program does not organize teams for this event, parents in each grade do the organizing. The JJ program will stress the point of town teams only next year. Hopefully everyone had a fun day of lacrosse!
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 11/29/16 10:08 PM

6th grade had no ringers (or at least any that I could randomly figure out). I think the 2023 teams from this area know and respect each other well so pulling stuff to win nice little 7v7 tournament would get called out fast.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 12/01/16 09:32 PM

I guess you were there??? The John Jay team had 3 outside players, two that play on PT the other for Eclipse....so what? JJ did not have enough players due to the holiday, who else is out there that they should have called that would make you happy??

What you failed to see was that both teams were having a ball, they are all friends and it was a great, competitive game! Why are you looking to cause trouble where there is none? Parents hugged each other afterward...,you're a jaxkass.

Way to put a bad spin on what was a fun day of lacrosse!
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 12/02/16 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess you were there??? The John Jay team had 3 outside players, two that play on PT the other for Eclipse....so what? JJ did not have enough players due to the holiday, who else is out there that they should have called that would make you happy??

What you failed to see was that both teams were having a ball, they are all friends and it was a great, competitive game! Why are you looking to cause trouble where there is none? Parents hugged each other afterward...,you're a jaxkass.

Way to put a bad spin on what was a fun day of lacrosse!


I thought it was interesting to contrast the two styles of play exhibited by the teams. One was fundamentally sound, the other was showboating at every opportunity. One team was playing "we" ball, the other "me" ball Guess who won?
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 12/02/16 02:53 PM

Yorktown won by 2, they played smarter / better lacrosse! JJ 8 took way many stupid shots shots which in a normal format they'd get the ball back and not cause the turnovers. Yorktown moved the ball well, also interesting to note the 2 biggest offenders were 2 of the outside kids...one a PT kid and the other from Eclipse. The jj8 kid with 4 goals in that game was 22 the JJ attack kid who was playing left and yes he's a PT kid too but was not "playing typical PT ball"

The fact remains that all the boys had fun win or lose!
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 12/02/16 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess you were there??? The John Jay team had 3 outside players, two that play on PT the other for Eclipse....so what? JJ did not have enough players due to the holiday, who else is out there that they should have called that would make you happy??

What you failed to see was that both teams were having a ball, they are all friends and it was a great, competitive game! Why are you looking to cause trouble where there is none? Parents hugged each other afterward...,you're a jaxkass.

Way to put a bad spin on what was a fun day of lacrosse!


and so it begins, sure a fun day, love those, but if outsiders used it will be called out on here, try to justify it all you want...
just please try and keep the kids jersey numbers out of it, where they can be singled out.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 12/02/16 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess you were there??? The John Jay team had 3 outside players, two that play on PT the other for Eclipse....so what? JJ did not have enough players due to the holiday, who else is out there that they should have called that would make you happy??

What you failed to see was that both teams were having a ball, they are all friends and it was a great, competitive game! Why are you looking to cause trouble where there is none? Parents hugged each other afterward...,you're a jaxkass.

Way to put a bad spin on what was a fun day of lacrosse!


and so it begins, sure a fun day, love those, but if outsiders used it will be called out on here, try to justify it all you want...
just please try and keep the kids jersey numbers out of it, where they can be singled out.
Wait..next someone will come on here and suggest JJ8 had a PT holdback playing for them.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 12/05/16 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess you were there??? The John Jay team had 3 outside players, two that play on PT the other for Eclipse....so what? JJ did not have enough players due to the holiday, who else is out there that they should have called that would make you happy??

What you failed to see was that both teams were having a ball, they are all friends and it was a great, competitive game! Why are you looking to cause trouble where there is none? Parents hugged each other afterward...,you're a jaxkass.

Way to put a bad spin on what was a fun day of lacrosse!


and so it begins, sure a fun day, love those, but if outsiders used it will be called out on here, try to justify it all you want...
just please try and keep the kids jersey numbers out of it, where they can be singled out.
Wait..next someone will come on here and suggest JJ8 had a PT holdback playing for them.


Gobbler Games has always been viewed as a fun first, second and third tournament. Sure its competitive but its between town teams. If its morphing into a win at all cost event, we won't be back. Yorktown Dad & organizer.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 12/05/16 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess you were there??? The John Jay team had 3 outside players, two that play on PT the other for Eclipse....so what? JJ did not have enough players due to the holiday, who else is out there that they should have called that would make you happy??

What you failed to see was that both teams were having a ball, they are all friends and it was a great, competitive game! Why are you looking to cause trouble where there is none? Parents hugged each other afterward...,you're a jaxkass.

Way to put a bad spin on what was a fun day of lacrosse!


and so it begins, sure a fun day, love those, but if outsiders used it will be called out on here, try to justify it all you want...
just please try and keep the kids jersey numbers out of it, where they can be singled out.
Wait..next someone will come on here and suggest JJ8 had a PT holdback playing for them.


Gobbler Games has always been viewed as a fun first, second and third tournament. Sure its competitive but its between town teams. If its morphing into a win at all cost event, we won't be back. Yorktown Dad & organizer.
Since the only Yorktown team that came was an 8th grade team, and as the Gobbler Games does not include 9th grade and higher....it's not too difficult to say you wont be back....
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 12/05/16 06:13 PM

Yorktown Dad AND organizer?? Maybe one... not both.. shame on you!
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 12/05/16 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess you were there??? The John Jay team had 3 outside players, two that play on PT the other for Eclipse....so what? JJ did not have enough players due to the holiday, who else is out there that they should have called that would make you happy??

What you failed to see was that both teams were having a ball, they are all friends and it was a great, competitive game! Why are you looking to cause trouble where there is none? Parents hugged each other afterward...,you're a jaxkass.

Way to put a bad spin on what was a fun day of lacrosse!


and so it begins, sure a fun day, love those, but if outsiders used it will be called out on here, try to justify it all you want...
just please try and keep the kids jersey numbers out of it, where they can be singled out.
Wait..next someone will come on here and suggest JJ8 had a PT holdback playing for them.


Gobbler Games has always been viewed as a fun first, second and third tournament. Sure its competitive but its between town teams. If its morphing into a win at all cost event, we won't be back. Yorktown Dad & organizer.


I'm a Yorktown Dad with more than one son in the program. I'm hoping my younger son gets a chance to play in future Gobbler games. Keep it fun.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 12/05/16 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess you were there??? The John Jay team had 3 outside players, two that play on PT the other for Eclipse....so what? JJ did not have enough players due to the holiday, who else is out there that they should have called that would make you happy??

What you failed to see was that both teams were having a ball, they are all friends and it was a great, competitive game! Why are you looking to cause trouble where there is none? Parents hugged each other afterward...,you're a jaxkass.

Way to put a bad spin on what was a fun day of lacrosse!


and so it begins, sure a fun day, love those, but if outsiders used it will be called out on here, try to justify it all you want...
just please try and keep the kids jersey numbers out of it, where they can be singled out.
Wait..next someone will come on here and suggest JJ8 had a PT holdback playing for them.


Gobbler Games has always been viewed as a fun first, second and third tournament. Sure its competitive but its between town teams. If its morphing into a win at all cost event, we won't be back. Yorktown Dad & organizer.
Since the only Yorktown team that came was an 8th grade team, and as the Gobbler Games does not include 9th grade and higher....it's not too difficult to say you wont be back....


Another know it all that doesn't.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 12/06/16 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess you were there??? The John Jay team had 3 outside players, two that play on PT the other for Eclipse....so what? JJ did not have enough players due to the holiday, who else is out there that they should have called that would make you happy??

What you failed to see was that both teams were having a ball, they are all friends and it was a great, competitive game! Why are you looking to cause trouble where there is none? Parents hugged each other afterward...,you're a jaxkass.

Way to put a bad spin on what was a fun day of lacrosse!


and so it begins, sure a fun day, love those, but if outsiders used it will be called out on here, try to justify it all you want...
just please try and keep the kids jersey numbers out of it, where they can be singled out.
Wait..next someone will come on here and suggest JJ8 had a PT holdback playing for them.


Gobbler Games has always been viewed as a fun first, second and third tournament. Sure its competitive but its between town teams. If its morphing into a win at all cost event, we won't be back. Yorktown Dad & organizer.


I'm a Yorktown Dad with more than one son in the program. I'm hoping my younger son gets a chance to play in future Gobbler games. Keep it fun.


So am I. Please keep it fun, that's the draw.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 12/09/16 02:24 PM

What is the best HS level indoor league in the area?
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 12/21/16 05:06 PM

I keep reading the LI guys bragging about how superior their brand of lax is. I think the population density skews the numbers of kids playing D1 lacrosse.

What % of HS players from each region play D1 lacrosse? I'd bet Westchester and Li are comparable, apples to apples.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 12/21/16 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I keep reading the LI guys bragging about how superior their brand of lax is. I think the population density skews the numbers of kids playing D1 lacrosse.

What % of HS players from each region play D1 lacrosse? I'd bet Westchester and Li are comparable, apples to apples.


<yawn>
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 12/30/16 08:51 PM

Happy holidays and New Year to all those people who volunteer their time to coach, manage, organize and positively impact the youth of Westchester. My boys learn so much from their coaches, especially the lessons they will need to succeed and be happy in life. As a coach, I hope that a similar impact is felt by those I am asked to teach and instruct.

Thanks again to all those who contribute.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/03/17 07:30 PM

LI (well, really Nassau and Suffolk) has 3 million residents and Westchester has 1 million. LI def has more than 3x number of D1 players than Westchester.

Even if you (correctly) assume more than 3x number of kids on LI play lax than in Westchester, LI still has way higher % of D1 players.

Sure, some kids in Westchester are great and some clubs are good and some high school teams kick [lacrosse] but, overall, LI is way bigger, deeper, better.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/03/17 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI (well, really Nassau and Suffolk) has 3 million residents and Westchester has 1 million. LI def has more than 3x number of D1 players than Westchester.

Even if you (correctly) assume more than 3x number of kids on LI play lax than in Westchester, LI still has way higher % of D1 players.

Sure, some kids in Westchester are great and some clubs are good and some high school teams kick [lacrosse] but, overall, LI is way bigger, deeper, better.


Your overall point is correct, but keep in mind that Westchester has a much higher percentage of city residents (Yonkers, Mt Vernon, parts of New Rochelle, Peekskill) who, through demographics and the problems lacrosse has in urban areas, don't play lacrosse. LI, by contrast, is much more suburban by percentage. The pool of kids available in Westchester is much more than 3-1 less than on LI.

1 in 4 of every HS program in all of NYS is on LI. (I believe this excludes the Catholics)

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/03/17 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI (well, really Nassau and Suffolk) has 3 million residents and Westchester has 1 million. LI def has more than 3x number of D1 players than Westchester.

Even if you (correctly) assume more than 3x number of kids on LI play lax than in Westchester, LI still has way higher % of D1 players.

Sure, some kids in Westchester are great and some clubs are good and some high school teams kick [lacrosse] but, overall, LI is way bigger, deeper, better.


It's not like Queens and Brooklyn have a lot of players, and l ikewwise, they both aren't producing lots of talent. ;-)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/05/17 02:38 PM

Its purely a numbers game. Ward Melville has 100+ kids trying out for Varsity, a school like John Jay has less than half that number. I'm sure the ratios are very similar on LI and Westchester--kids playing HS to kids playing in college. The water doesn't make the players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/07/17 05:57 PM

Big Difference is Long Island teaches kids stick skills and tough nosed play from an early age. Lacrosse is about playing at high speed and getting ground balls. Long Island kids are trained to do that. Most of the best players from Westchester were actually trained in Long Island.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/07/17 08:32 PM

Maybe that's because westchester and Fairfield kids are spoiled brats
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/07/17 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe that's because westchester and Fairfield kids are spoiled brats


As a LI parent, there are a fair amount of "spoiled brats' here also. Three of the top 3 Nassau HSs could easily be accused of being similalry very affluent areas, along with many others. So, that's not all of it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/07/17 11:28 PM

Wow. . . . It never ceases to amaze me when I read all the vicious posts on this blog, but most of them are reserved for the Long Island or MD forums.
The stereotype about Westchester and Fairfield kids being spoiled brats is clearly coming from someone who doesn't know them at all, or has had one bad experience and is generalizing all players from that area into that group.
There are bad seeds everywhere, and being spoiled has nothing to do with the socioeconomic bracket that you fall into. It has more to do with the entitled feeling you get from your parents, which has zero to do with income and everything to do with class.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/08/17 12:35 AM

Just ask college coaches. They will tell you, the work ethic and sense of entitlement from kids in westchester and Fairfield is horrifying . This does not include areas like yorktown, somers, mahopac. Hard nosed kids with a work ethic
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/08/17 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just ask college coaches. They will tell you, the work ethic and sense of entitlement from kids in westchester and Fairfield is horrifying . This does not include areas like yorktown, somers, mahopac. Hard nosed kids with a work ethic
This is almost comical. I'm sure that's the first thing college coaches will tell you while they're recruiting all those top laxers from Somers & Mahopac. And I'm guessing they're ignoring the 'entitled' (yes, reclassified & PG) kids from Brunswick, Deerfield, etc. ?? who actually make up the majority of the top D1 rosters of players from Westchester & Fairfield. Those 3 towns you mention are similar, except Yorktown has a rich tradition of lacrosse and a well run youth & travel program, while the other 2 clearly do not. The funny thing is I'm not sure who you're taking a shot at? John Jay? Bronxville ? Rye ? really not that many programs here in Westchester when compared to LI.....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/08/17 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just ask college coaches. They will tell you, the work ethic and sense of entitlement from kids in westchester and Fairfield is horrifying . This does not include areas like yorktown, somers, mahopac. Hard nosed kids with a work ethic
This is almost comical. I'm sure that's the first thing college coaches will tell you while they're recruiting all those top laxers from Somers & Mahopac. And I'm guessing they're ignoring the 'entitled' (yes, reclassified & PG) kids from Brunswick, Deerfield, etc. ?? who actually make up the majority of the top D1 rosters of players from Westchester & Fairfield. Those 3 towns you mention are similar, except Yorktown has a rich tradition of lacrosse and a well run youth & travel program, while the other 2 clearly do not. The funny thing is I'm not sure who you're taking a shot at? John Jay? Bronxville ? Rye ? really not that many programs here in Westchester when compared to LI.....


Please leave 'PAC out of this they are not Westchester.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/08/17 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe that's because westchester and Fairfield kids are spoiled brats
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just ask college coaches. They will tell you, the work ethic and sense of entitlement from kids in westchester and Fairfield is horrifying . This does not include areas like yorktown, somers, mahopac. Hard nosed kids with a work ethic
Yeah those entitled & spoiled kids from Darien, New Canaan, Ridgefield & Greenwich, 3 of which in the National Top 30, not sure why college coaches aren't looking closer at their poor work ethic while recruiting ...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/08/17 11:24 PM

You can buy your kid a spot into a college. But you can't buy these spoiled brats a set of brass balls. That comes from genetics , Fairfield kids , most westchester kids know daddy will be there to open his wallet and save the day. I will take yorktown and mahopac kids to a rumble. At least they won't run and drive away in their BMW.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/09/17 12:13 AM

[quote=Anonymous]You can buy your kid a spot into a college. But you can't buy these spoiled brats a set of brass balls. That comes from genetics , Fairfield kids , most westchester kids know daddy will be there to open his wallet and save the day. I will take yorktown and mahopac kids to a rumble.

Oops, I stumbled onto the WWE forum....can you direct me to the lacrosse forum where all the putnam kids are getting recruited?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/09/17 02:41 PM

Bronxville (as affluent and spoiled as you can get) in Westchester County is a TINY place. School district is 1 square mile. The HS lax team is competing in NY Class D this year.

Bronxville, per capita, has got to be sending more kids to quality D1 programs than any other school around, LI, CT, NJ or Westchester. No Monmouths or UMASS Lowell either. ND, UNC, Yale, Brown, Harvard etc.

And no my kid does not go to Bronxville. Plays at a competing program but you've got to give credit where its due.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/09/17 03:44 PM

Plenty of "spoiled" kids in Yorktown and Somers. They are every where.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/09/17 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bronxville (as affluent and spoiled as you can get) in Westchester County is a TINY place. School district is 1 square mile. The HS lax team is competing in NY Class D this year.

Bronxville, per capita, has got to be sending more kids to quality D1 programs than any other school around, LI, CT, NJ or Westchester. No Monmouths or UMASS Lowell either. ND, UNC, Yale, Brown, Harvard etc.

And no my kid does not go to Bronxville. Plays at a competing program but you've got to give credit where its due.
Absolutely, and especially give credit on the academic side. Those are typical Prep School recruiting Universities you mention, and Bronxville has to be doing something better on the education side that other public schools are not. It's not just the lacrosse...
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/09/17 04:34 PM

Oh, one more thing.....Bronxville beat Mahopac 10-8 last year.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/09/17 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh, one more thing.....Bronxville beat Mahopac 10-8 last year.
I guess on that one particular afternoon Mahopac wasn't ready to rumble with their inherited genetically superior brass balls. But all in all Mahopac had a good year last year, program has been heading in the right direction.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/09/17 07:36 PM

Brass balls? Kids don't play that way anymore. Bro society? Flow? How about kicking some azz on the field and not worrying about style, BTB passes/shots, etc. Laughable. Funny thing is, some coaches encourage that type of play. That garbage doesn't cut it in D1, so lets let that die.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/09/17 08:05 PM

Go watch 90+1 crush. All flash. Most of the team going d1
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/09/17 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go watch 90+1 crush. All flash. Most of the team going d1


Team is over-rated and under whelming.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/10/17 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go watch 90+1 crush. All flash. Most of the team going d1


Team is over-rated and under whelming.


Lol. Probably best youth lacrosse team ever at every age they've played.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/10/17 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go watch 90+1 crush. All flash. Most of the team going d1


Team is over-rated and under whelming.


Lol. Probably best youth lacrosse team ever at every age they've played.


Says daddy baller living vicariously through his son. Give me a break!
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/10/17 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go watch 90+1 crush. All flash. Most of the team going d1


Team is over-rated and under whelming.


Lol. Probably best youth lacrosse team ever at every age they've played.


Many of the top teams would be considered that good if they practiced 3-4+ hours. It takes a psycho coach to run that team.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/10/17 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go watch 90+1 crush. All flash. Most of the team going d1


Team is over-rated and under whelming.


Lol. Probably best youth lacrosse team ever at every age they've played.


Says daddy baller living vicariously through his son. Give me a break!


Unfortunately being a hater is not going to make it less true. Possibly the best youth lacrosse team ever.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/10/17 10:23 PM

Usually don't post . Lets just say been around the game along time . Enjoy these times with your sons and daughters . Regarding the dad who wrote best youth lax team ever . I suggest you watch a good movie , probably a comedy . That comment is pretty funny . another idea would be to watch a good sitcom - one with canned laughter. 70s I woulda suggest odd couple , 80s ALF, 90s Seinfeld.2000s Curb your enthusiasm .


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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/11/17 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Usually don't post . Lets just say been around the game along time . Enjoy these times with your sons and daughters . Regarding the dad who wrote best youth lax team ever . I suggest you watch a good movie , probably a comedy . That comment is pretty funny . another idea would be to watch a good sitcom - one with canned laughter. 70s I woulda suggest odd couple , 80s ALF, 90s Seinfeld.2000s Curb your enthusiasm .



I love a good 80s sitcom. You clearly have never seen them play. They probably would beat most westchester varsity teams this spring.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/11/17 02:34 AM

100% could beat most varsity teams in westchester. The whole team is practically going major d1
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/11/17 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go watch 90+1 crush. All flash. Most of the team going d1


Team is over-rated and under whelming.


Lol. Probably best youth lacrosse team ever at every age they've played.


Many of the top teams would be considered that good if they practiced 3-4+ hours. It takes a psycho coach to run that team.


If you want to be the best, you have to put in the effort.

By the way, they never practiced 3 or 4 hours a day. But make that part of the legend.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/11/17 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go watch 90+1 crush. All flash. Most of the team going d1


Team is over-rated and under whelming.


Lol. Probably best youth lacrosse team ever at every age they've played.


Many of the top teams would be considered that good if they practiced 3-4+ hours. It takes a psycho coach to run that team.


If you want to be the best, you have to put in the effort.

By the way, they never practiced 3 or 4 hours a day. But make that part of the legend.


We both know you are lying or uninformed. More power to you.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/11/17 02:57 PM

Who the heck cares how many hours Crush practices?! No one can deny they are a great team with great athletes, IQ, and stick skills.

Let's face it, if any of our kids were good enough to get significant playing time on a team such as Crush you'd be proud as [lacrosse] and would likely already be committed to a D1 school.

All that said, few are good enough AND THAT IS OK! Allow your kid to enjoy the game no matter what level they play on.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/11/17 04:08 PM

I hear that they practice 15 hours a day and most are home schooled. Much like Paul Bunyon they carry lax sticks (instead of an axe) and they use them to dominate all in front of them. I am told, that when they get ready to play, they all wear the same custom Crush orange neon compression underoos.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/11/17 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who the heck cares how many hours Crush practices?! No one can deny they are a great team with great athletes, IQ, and stick skills.

Let's face it, if any of our kids were good enough to get significant playing time on a team such as Crush you'd be proud as [lacrosse] and would likely already be committed to a D1 school.

All that said, few are good enough AND THAT IS OK! Allow your kid to enjoy the game no matter what level they play on.


The best on that team but many hours a week whether in the gym or field. THEY PUT THE WORK IN!! GOTTA HAVE THE WANT!
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/11/17 06:47 PM

To the Crush writer .something tells me -You have never been there , you havent played , you havent won, if you did you wouldn't act the way you do . Listen when you leave a room , when you leave a field , you will hear laughter. There laughing at you .You know it. The owners of 91 are embarrassed by guys like you. YOU havent done anything , if your son is on Crush that's great for him . Too bad he has you acting like this .Really think about it .
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/26/17 09:14 PM

umm can we get back to the thread...westchester lacrosse?
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/27/17 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
umm can we get back to the thread...westchester lacrosse?


Cross over sport question, how many westchester kids play both Hoops and lax? Which sport do you play losser in Hoops or Lax and why?
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/28/17 02:04 PM

Not sure exactly what this question is asking. Speaking for my son and most of his teammates in both Westchester and CT, I find that most lacrosse players who play multiple sports and aren't already specializing choose hockey for their winter sport.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/28/17 03:35 PM

Can someone rank the travel programs in the Fairfield /westchester area?
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/28/17 05:51 PM

Varies by graduation year, but I would rank as follows:
1. Express North or Prime Time
3. Eclipse
4. 3D
5. Predators
6 Chargers
Express North has an exceptional 2019AA team; Eclipse has an exceptional 2021 top team.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/28/17 08:42 PM

Where does 2 way or tri state 9 d 1 fit in
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/29/17 01:43 AM

9d1 tristate is an extremely well run program. 3 years old. Bocklet is a true pro and a world class family. But. This program is currently very low in talent and until they embrace a stronger tourney schedule, will remain weak. Recruiting is def not the focus
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/29/17 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
To the Crush writer .something tells me -You have never been there , you havent played , you havent won, if you did you wouldn't act the way you do . Listen when you leave a room , when you leave a field , you will hear laughter. There laughing at you .You know it. The owners of 91 are embarrassed by guys like you. YOU havent done anything , if your son is on Crush that's great for him . Too bad he has you acting like this .Really think about it .


I donated the proper chromosomes and genes. I think I pay the bills too. That's enough, I'm not embarrassed or apologizing.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/30/17 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Varies by graduation year, but I would rank as follows:
1. Express North or Prime Time
3. Eclipse
4. 3D
5. Predators
6 Chargers
Express North has an exceptional 2019AA team; Eclipse has an exceptional 2021 top team.


I'm not sure why 3d is in this list. Don't see them doing too much.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/30/17 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not sure why 3d is in this list. Don't see them doing too much.


They don't make the noise that Express and PT do with regard to emails, tweets, rah rah this and rah rah that. Easy to understand why you may not be fully aware of them. Not a lot of hype, just lacrosse.
Previously they were too "Greenwich-centric".
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/30/17 03:31 PM

Great point about the "best" local teams varying by grade (as many of the teams have several strong grades as well as several weaker grades).

I would put predators above 3D.

Also 2way is in the bottom half but it should improve given the addition of the Brunswick coaches (and thus more older Brunswick kids should join this program).

I would also add Superstars. A solid program but in the second half of the "local" teams.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/30/17 04:18 PM

I see superstars on the rise. Colsey has embraced the box lax in a real way. With the rise of box, I see Kids gravitating his way in the future
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/31/17 12:11 AM

That's really a funny comment.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/31/17 01:14 AM

Why is that funny? How many other travel teams in westchester /Fairfield are offering a true box team environment. 4 of the teams qualified for the box championships in San Jose in August. At some point parents may start thinking, why play summer for one team and box for another.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/31/17 05:24 PM

Drop Express North down 2 slots, losing some of their best players
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/31/17 06:04 PM

2022 superstars team is very strong and top 10 in northeast , box program attracting top local talent
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/31/17 06:36 PM

Why are they leaving and to where
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/31/17 06:57 PM

2024 superstars box team finished 1st in their first box tourney and 2nd in last three. Lost to 91 Wolfpack 7-4 in last game. Anyone that knows 91 Wolfpack knows that a 3 goal game is amazing. Colsey's box teams are extremely respectable and will only help his field teams
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 01/31/17 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2024 superstars box team finished 1st in their first box tourney and 2nd in last three. Lost to 91 Wolfpack 7-4 in last game. Anyone that knows 91 Wolfpack knows that a 3 goal game is amazing. Colsey's box teams are extremely respectable and will only help his field teams


It could have been much worse, there are no moral victories.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/01/17 12:24 AM

Well it was damn close all the way through. 7-4 loss against arguably the 2nd best 24 team in the east coast is a win in my book. And shows improvement
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/01/17 12:47 AM

Problem with Superstars is Colsey has no people skills. Great player who knows the game in and out but he pushes kids away. Alienates himself with his own coaches. As for Box, 2 teams earned the invite to the Nationals the other two teams are going because they needed teams. Box is still in its infant stage for youth in the U.S. and not many real programs. Colsey does have an opportunity here to build his program back up. Let's see what he does.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/01/17 01:40 AM

When you go to the tourneys in philly. You see a lot of teams. Good teams , 91, brotherly love, Mesa , Eclipse, express, legacy. Etc etc It is definitely growing and growing. In 2-3 years. I'm guessing every top team will be playing box as part of their program
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/01/17 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Problem with Superstars is Colsey has no people skills. Great player who knows the game in and out but he pushes kids away. Alienates himself with his own coaches. As for Box, 2 teams earned the invite to the Nationals the other two teams are going because they needed teams. Box is still in its infant stage for youth in the U.S. and not many real programs. Colsey does have an opportunity here to build his program back up. Let's see what he does.


It's worth noting that the only teams that do well for superstar are those that Colsey's kids play on. If you have a player the same age it's worth looking into. The other years don't get the same attention and are therefore can't compete at the same level. Many of those grades can't even field full teams.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/07/17 05:26 PM

HS practices starting. Any early feedback from watching?
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/07/17 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
HS practices starting. Any early feedback from watching?
I think you're a little early. Westchester public schools can't officially start until 2nd week of March. If you're talking about kids just hanging out, and throwing it around on the turf, then right now John Jay's looking unbeatable.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/07/17 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HS practices starting. Any early feedback from watching?
I think you're a little early. Westchester public schools can't officially start until 2nd week of March. If you're talking about kids just hanging out, and throwing it around on the turf, then right now John Jay's looking unbeatable.


How many leagues are there? Brewster Danbury New rochelle. Think more West/ct kids play winter sports than some other areas.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/08/17 02:28 PM

John Jay very good - yes, unbeatable -no.

They have talent but need all the other intangibles to come together to realize their full potential -

Leadership,intensity,coaching etc. will make the difference between another very good JJ team and a great one.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/08/17 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
John Jay very good - yes, unbeatable -no.

They have talent but need all the other intangibles to come together to realize their full potential -

Leadership,intensity,coaching etc. will make the difference between another very good JJ team and a great one.


John Jay will represent Westchester this year.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/08/17 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
John Jay very good - yes, unbeatable -no.

They have talent but need all the other intangibles to come together to realize their full potential -

Leadership,intensity,coaching etc. will make the difference between another very good JJ team and a great one.


John Jay will represent Westchester this year.


very good talent, just way too soft to really compete
with the very top teams.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/16/17 12:58 PM

100% correct JJ has traditionally been soft and lets face it Yorktown is the class of Section 1, without the Savastanos & Booklets JJ lax is very good not great.
YTown is stacked for the next two seasons with insane talent and varsity (sectional) experience.
Go Huskers!!!
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/16/17 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
John Jay very good - yes, unbeatable -no.

They have talent but need all the other intangibles to come together to realize their full potential -

Leadership,intensity,coaching etc. will make the difference between another very good JJ team and a great one.


John Jay will represent Westchester this year.


very good talent, just way too soft to really compete
with the very top teams.

Two things have stood out to me over the last few years between these two perennial top teams. Strength of 'out of section' regular season games before the state play-offs. This year Yorktown plays Darien, Chaminade, St. Anthonys, Ridgefield & Jamesville-Dewitt. While I'm glad to see JJ picking it up a bit this year by playing Smithtown East, Manhasset, Cold Spring Harbor and Wilton. (JV plays Chaminade and St. Anthony's, but not Varsity) One could argue Yorktown may lose 3,4, or 5 of those games, but be better prepared come play-off time.
And I've had debates with others regarding the benefit of most Yorktown players playing for Ballers over the summer, versus JJ where 4-5 play for PrimeTime and the rest are scattered on other summer teams. This seems to benefit the Yorktown mid-level player more, and with that commraderie of playing as a team with the single goal of winning a State Championship every year. But where JJ is a bit 'soft', and not in a physical sense, but it's in those big game settings. (JJ had a 7 or 8 goal half-time lead over Yorktown last year when their PT stud? starts taking 20-25 yard shots on the best goalie in the section.) Yorktown wins.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/16/17 07:25 PM

what's commraderie?
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/16/17 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
what's commraderie?
Yup, my apologies to the Back of the Cage spelling champion..should have been spelled 'camaraderie'.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/16/17 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what's commraderie?
Yup, my apologies to the Back of the Cage spelling champion..should have been spelled 'camaraderie'.


Much better, thank you for correcting this indiscretion.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/17/17 12:14 AM

John jay high school is an extension of their youth program. Over priced [lacrosse]. They take the best 5 kids per grade and that's it. Zero community spirit because those 5 best kids play for prime time or express north The bottom 5 play down in purchase for nine d 1 tri state. The model should be to keep these kids together from the beginning like yorktown and then they will start winning. Jjyl does a horrible job of recruiting new kids because they price people out with paid coaches when all these kids need is a dad to teach them to catch throw and cradle . Jj yl does nothing to keep the bottom 15 kids playing beyond the 2 month spring season. That comes from the top. Schurr is no where in sight - they offer a fall clinic which is fine and cheap. But. Beyond that , they are happy letting you pay every coach in the area for extra instruction . It's just sad. Yorktown Does it right.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/17/17 06:03 PM

so What is Bronxville's secret with 100 kids or so per class.

also Darien, ridgefield kids play all over
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/17/17 06:29 PM

Well ridgefield is not a great comp. Colsey rubs a lot of people the wrong way. These town kids should be playing together from day 1 at a young age. Winter spring etc. doesn't have to be mandatory. Throwing tennis balls around a gym is great for soft hands and for training goalies. If you want to be strong at the top, it starts with the foundation. For any youth organization to say, we are just spring, is doing a massive dis service to their town. It's just the way it is.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/17/17 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
so What is Bronxville's secret with 100 kids or so per class.

also Darien, ridgefield kids play all over
you're right, but this was just comparing Yorktown with John Jay ....and I'm sure we can come up with other lacrosse towns... Simsbury?
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/18/17 01:29 PM


It all starts from a strong foundation created in the youth programs. Yorktown has strong coaching from Day 1, committed and knowledgeable people who teach the game the right way and invest a lot of time and effort. They run clinics in the Fall and Winter and run great practices. My sons have been in the Yorktown program and the instruction is top notch and every kid plays. That pays dividends at the varsity level.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/19/17 05:32 AM

Than their high school coach gets fired ,
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/19/17 08:18 PM

Lets be honest, There is a ton of pressure Coaching at Yorktown. Did he lose his mind a few times yeah but most players and parents love him and that along with winning equals being a great coach.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/19/17 08:21 PM

If Dave Marr coached Fox Lane he would bring that school a Sectional title and possible State title. It takes more than talent to win titles.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/20/17 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
John jay high school is an extension of their youth program. Over priced [lacrosse]. They take the best 5 kids per grade and that's it. Zero community spirit because those 5 best kids play for prime time or express north The bottom 5 play down in purchase for nine d 1 tri state. The model should be to keep these kids together from the beginning like yorktown and then they will start winning. Jjyl does a horrible job of recruiting new kids because they price people out with paid coaches when all these kids need is a dad to teach them to catch throw and cradle . Jj yl does nothing to keep the bottom 15 kids playing beyond the 2 month spring season. That comes from the top. Schurr is no where in sight - they offer a fall clinic which is fine and cheap. But. Beyond that , they are happy letting you pay every coach in the area for extra instruction . It's just sad. Yorktown Does it right.


The problem with John Jay is simple, itís the toxic entitled parents who post on this board and bad mouth JJHS, the youth program and the summer programs. They talk behind their backs because they do not have the backbone to say it to anyoneís face, they need to hide behind an anonymous post. Itís the same type of parents who ran the Savastanoís out of town, great guys and great coaches.

These parents are entitled trophy parents, always blaming someone else for their shortcomings. How dare you tell my kid he canít play on the best team in town, how dare you cut my kid from the summer team. These are parents that are not used to hearing no, they think money can buy anything. Well sorry, it canítÖ.they baby and control their children and then when they get to JJHS and their kid does not play, they complain to the AD and point fingers at everyone and degrade other kids behind their backs. Itís only going to get worse as the demographics are moving in that direction. Yorktown has the gritty determined kids and parents who support their program and work hard to win!
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/21/17 01:31 AM

only a matter of time where town lax dies across the board. Kids and parents want to play with and against the best kids . The current offering of spring tourneys is a much better use of time and money. Travel programs in places like Long Island are playing 3-4 spring tourneys and 5 summer Plus they play all winter and fall. Only matter of time before westchester follows. And town as we know it will die. All the directors , Pt, eclipse, superstars. Express north etc should create a winter/spring league similar to Maryland and play each other Stop worrying about losing kids and do what's right in the big picture, which is getting these kids playing together as a team as much as possible. Let rec be rec 200 dollars. Dad coaches etc.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/21/17 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
John jay high school is an extension of their youth program. Over priced [lacrosse]. They take the best 5 kids per grade and that's it. Zero community spirit because those 5 best kids play for prime time or express north The bottom 5 play down in purchase for nine d 1 tri state. The model should be to keep these kids together from the beginning like yorktown and then they will start winning. Jjyl does a horrible job of recruiting new kids because they price people out with paid coaches when all these kids need is a dad to teach them to catch throw and cradle . Jj yl does nothing to keep the bottom 15 kids playing beyond the 2 month spring season. That comes from the top. Schurr is no where in sight - they offer a fall clinic which is fine and cheap. But. Beyond that , they are happy letting you pay every coach in the area for extra instruction . It's just sad. Yorktown Does it right.


It seems getting rid of the dad coaches whose kids are goal hangers and their dads yelling on the sideline to get the ball to their kid is a great accomplishment.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/21/17 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so What is Bronxville's secret with 100 kids or so per class.

also Darien, ridgefield kids play all over
you're right, but this was just comparing Yorktown with John Jay ....and I'm sure we can come up with other lacrosse towns... Simsbury?


Which shows why you have no idea what you are talking about, every town is different. You sound like another bitter parent whose kid got cut, get over it and play for a team that has the right skill for your child
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/21/17 04:50 PM

When paid coaches come at a cost of 500 dollars per player and creates extremely low enrollment, I will take dad coaches any day. Let's keep it in perspective, it's town lax. And town sports should be cheap. The goal is to get kids playing. Your not teaching kids to build rockets. Dad coaches with oversight and management from a board of directors works just fine. Dad coaches in every other town sport . f
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/21/17 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
only a matter of time where town lax dies across the board. Kids and parents want to play with and against the best kids . The current offering of spring tourneys is a much better use of time and money. Travel programs in places like Long Island are playing 3-4 spring tourneys and 5 summer Plus they play all winter and fall. Only matter of time before westchester follows. And town as we know it will die. All the directors , Pt, eclipse, superstars. Express north etc should create a winter/spring league similar to Maryland and play each other Stop worrying about losing kids and do what's right in the big picture, which is getting these kids playing together as a team as much as possible. Let rec be rec 200 dollars. Dad coaches etc.


Not all LI travel club teams play spring tourneys - in fact most don't beyond the top teams. LI has PAL lax during the spring and most boys play in that league, with those also playing club having at least practices on a semi-regular basis in March and April. Boys in MS still even play PAL lax as another opportunity for touches - my 2021 son play PAL, MS, and club, as do most of his friends. My 2024 son plays PAL and club. PAL is recreational, and the cost is accordingly, but every community in LI plays in it, including the staid powerhouses: Manhasset, CSH, Garden City, etc. Their community programs that play in PAL are what build their dominance at the higher levels: the top programs have as many as three PAL teams per age group, every boy wants to play lax! The bottom line is that the communities that view lax as an overall program that encompasses both the youth organization and the local school are the most successful - travel club teams are where the top half of the talent go to further their game. Yes, there are some coaches who are affiliated with schools and club, and that is a double edged sword for a community and its school - some work well, some not as much, and some turn into unmitigated disasters as a result.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/21/17 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
When paid coaches come at a cost of 500 dollars per player and creates extremely low enrollment, I will take dad coaches any day. Let's keep it in perspective, it's town lax. And town sports should be cheap. The goal is to get kids playing. Your not teaching kids to build rockets. Dad coaches with oversight and management from a board of directors works just fine. Dad coaches in every other town sport . f



You must not be familiar with the youth football program at John Jay, all Dad coaches and all their kids are QB or running back. Wait until those kids get to HS, they will be on the bench. The other kids get 4 minimum pLAYS Dads kid never leaves the field. And how has that turned out? Their teams are all horrible with kids leaving to go to other towns...the only good team is their 6th grade team where the Dads son is an athlete and can legitimately play QB. Program is imploding, many parents would be glad to pay more to get rid of Daddy ball. Soccer did it years ago.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/21/17 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
only a matter of time where town lax dies across the board. Kids and parents want to play with and against the best kids . The current offering of spring tourneys is a much better use of time and money. Travel programs in places like Long Island are playing 3-4 spring tourneys and 5 summer Plus they play all winter and fall. Only matter of time before westchester follows. And town as we know it will die. All the directors , Pt, eclipse, superstars. Express north etc should create a winter/spring league similar to Maryland and play each other Stop worrying about losing kids and do what's right in the big picture, which is getting these kids playing together as a team as much as possible. Let rec be rec 200 dollars. Dad coaches etc.


These better kids all started out in their Town programs. Get rid of the town programs and you get rid of the next generation of players. And if you keep the Town programs, but the top kids don't play, than the next level of athlete is less interested, and there will be a trickle down effect that will lead to the Town programs dying a slow death. The Town programs are the lifeblood of the sport and need to be maintained and populated with the best kids. A spring travel league can easily be organized without canabailizing the Town programs. Just play games at times that don't conflict with the Town schedules.

Also, there are still a ton of good athletes playing only Town lacrosse because they focus more on other sports and don't have the time, money and/or interest in playing travel. These players often become key players on good HS teams, and need to be playing Town with the top lax-centric athletes.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/21/17 05:55 PM

I completely agree with doing away with dad coaches but football and lacrosse are 2 very different animals. One has travel. One does not. For those kids looking for more coaching, more competition etc. they get that with the various travel programs. Football struggles for many reasons, the biggest being fear of injury. Town sports is the opportunity to attract as many kids as you can to build the foundation and it needs to be affordable.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/21/17 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I completely agree with doing away with dad coaches but football and lacrosse are 2 very different animals. One has travel. One does not. For those kids looking for more coaching, more competition etc. they get that with the various travel programs. Football struggles for many reasons, the biggest being fear of injury. Town sports is the opportunity to attract as many kids as you can to build the foundation and it needs to be affordable.


So you agree with doing away with Dad coaches, what's your answer to making it "affordable" when you get paid coaches to replace Daddy?
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/21/17 08:38 PM

No easy answer but willing to deal with dad coaches if it means growing the program. This is John jay. Plenty of qualified parents. But here are a few answers- 1- parent coach education. 2- create a curriculum from k-8 covering fundamentals and systems. 3- set up clinic days and run players as well as coaches through station based , fundamental , position specific training. This ensures kids and parent coaches are learning properly. Not sure you ever want to eliminate all coaches. But let them work with all teams , Goalie coach, fogo training, etc etc.

Other solutions. First year discount tuition, Free tuition dedicated goalie. Etc etc. time to think out of the box and build the culture and the future.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/22/17 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]John Jay very good - yes, unbeatable -no.

They have talent but need all the other intangibles to come together to realize their full potential -

Leadership,intensity,coaching etc. will make the difference between another very good JJ team and a great one.


John Jay will represent Westchester this year.


very good talent, just way too soft to really compete

with the very top teams. [/quote

Soft is right and it comes from the parents, a perfect example is the 7v7 tournament in November. An otherwise great game of Ridgefield vs John Jay 2022 was ruined by JJ parents. At the end, a JJ player was pushed down by a Ridgefield kid half his size, a legitimate penalty but the parents of the JJ kid ran onto the field cursing and yelling at the referee, Ridgefield players, coach, and parents...really horrible. That is softness...when was the last time you saw a Town parent run on the field for a push?? Huskers will roll them in april!!
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/23/17 03:42 AM

2022 box team won 1 tourney and lost in final of the other 4 they entered, granted got smoked by 91 Blaze in one final but that's a team of 12 year olds playing against a team of 15 year olds
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/23/17 03:44 AM

sorry but 5 teams earned entrance into the Nationals, not 2,
1 won the regionals, 1 came in 3rd and 3 came in 2nd
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/23/17 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 box team won 1 tourney and lost in final of the other 4 they entered, granted got smoked by 91 Blaze in one final but that's a team of 12 year olds playing against a team of 15 year olds


Blaze is 2021.... make up you own facts buddy, you know you can't beat them.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/23/17 09:06 PM

7/8 division tool box
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/23/17 09:38 PM

They are 14 and its grade based, stop crying.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/23/17 10:11 PM

Express North 2020AA is a top 10 team nationally.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/23/17 11:05 PM

That is hilarious. Only thing nationally ranked is your fogo.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/24/17 12:54 AM

Top team in the Westhester/Fairfield area but not top 10 nationaly
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/24/17 11:26 AM

Really good talent in addition to Fogo, particularly at the attack position, just not sure Top 10 nationally. . . . Guess we'll see this summer.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/24/17 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express North 2020AA is a top 10 team nationally.


Nice team, but not quite in the top 10. Did they get a new FOA? Last year was good but not quite elite level. No disrespect intended.

In fact, a round robin among 2020 Predators, Primetime, 3d, and Express would be a good day of lax without a long drive.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/24/17 04:49 PM

Express North 2020 lost to crabs by 1, beat both laxachusetts AA teams, etc... Their Fogo and second string fogo both placed top 10 in the FOA national showcase. They would destroy ALL local teams (except primetime, which would be a good game).
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/24/17 04:54 PM

North FOGO is from wepo, has numerous offers, and is the best uncommitted fogo. Destroyed at national showcase
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/24/17 05:24 PM

Scarsdale HS is elite
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/25/17 02:25 AM

True!
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/25/17 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express North 2020 lost to crabs by 1, beat both laxachusetts AA teams, etc... Their Fogo and second string fogo both placed top 10 in the FOA national showcase. They would destroy ALL local teams (except primetime, which would be a good game).

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express North 2020 lost to crabs by 1, beat both laxachusetts AA teams, etc... Their Fogo and second string fogo both placed top 10 in the FOA national showcase. They would destroy ALL local teams (except primetime, which would be a good game).

That there is some very strong kool aid. Channy must be so proud.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/28/17 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]John Jay very good - yes, unbeatable -no.

They have talent but need all the other intangibles to come together to realize their full potential -

Leadership,intensity,coaching etc. will make the difference between another very good JJ team and a great one.


John Jay will represent Westchester this year.


very good talent, just way too soft to really compete

with the very top teams. [/quote

Soft is right and it comes from the parents, a perfect example is the 7v7 tournament in November. An otherwise great game of Ridgefield vs John Jay 2022 was ruined by JJ parents. At the end, a JJ player was pushed down by a Ridgefield kid half his size, a legitimate penalty but the parents of the JJ kid ran onto the field cursing and yelling at the referee, Ridgefield players, coach, and parents...really horrible. That is softness...when was the last time you saw a Town parent run on the field for a push?? Huskers will roll them in april!!


How much an impact will Marr's suspension have on Huskers season?
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/28/17 03:47 PM

The #1 fogo for Express North AA is a stud out of Fairfield, Ct. The 2nd fogo lost in the first round of the FOA Showcase.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/28/17 03:50 PM

the best attack man plays for Eclipse
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/28/17 07:59 PM

Hmmmm. . . . Not sure who you are referring to on Eclipse. They do have some strong attacks (although at least 3 are holdbacks) but think LIEN AA would beat them. . . .
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/28/17 08:27 PM

Too bad Express N , Eclipse , and PT hardly ever play each other. i think the only matchup was the summer before last when Express beat PT.
Hopefully they will all square off this summer a few times. Throw in Predators and 3d tristate as well.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 02/28/17 10:36 PM

Is tri state nine d one a good program ? I don't hear much about them, I have a 9 year old and want to get him involved in travel going forward.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 03/01/17 12:44 AM

Great coaching , great director.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 03/01/17 01:16 PM

Express North, Eclipse and Prime Time (2020's) will all compete at NLF Main Event in June, then there is overlap between 2/3 teams at Crabfeast, Big 4 and later NLF event in LI. Would love to see them matched up against each other.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 03/03/17 08:17 PM

Is there any place we can viewed a list of Westchester kids who are committed to play college lacrosse? It would be interesting to compare the schools rosters and the college commitments. Who has the most, the best, etc. Any guesses?
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 03/03/17 11:30 PM

Look through recruiting rundown by year. And it will tell you what school and travel program they play for. It takes a bit of time.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 03/04/17 12:27 AM

And/or go on Laxpower.com and search their database of players that have committed to schools. They track a wider net that includes d2 and d3.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 03/05/17 03:59 AM

11 commits for Yorktown, 6 for John Jay according to Laxpower. Oddly, all but one is in the junior class for JJ. We'll see if that will mean anything one they face each other. Depth perhaps.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 03/05/17 07:20 PM

The 11 committs for Yorktown, what are they by graduating class and are they all D1? Also Yorktown is split between Yorktown High and Lakeland\Panas (LP). Any LP kids lumped in there?
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 03/05/17 09:11 PM

All but one Yorktown player is committed to D1, no LP players included.

Yorktown: Sr- Notre Dame, Delaware, Albany, Albany, Tampa/Jr.- Maryland, Marist, Marist, St. Josephs/Soph- Richmond, Cornell
JJ: Sr- Binghamton/ Jr.- Syracuse, Duke, Colgate, Fairfield, Marist

Should be an interesting season for both teams. YT missing Marr and JJ still trying to topple YT.
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 03/06/17 01:41 PM

Laxpower shows two more sophomores from Yorktown committed to DI schools - Princeton and Providence; only thing is that they are attending Iona Prep. Yorktown still producing the kids, but why are they going to Iona?

Is that any reflection on the HS Program? But its a good reflection on the Youth program for developing the kids. It's all about developing the kids at the youth and learning the fundamentals. You can not play this game with out fundamentals. Kudos to Yorktown Youth Lacrosse for that. High school level is where they can take it to the next level (although it seems the Club teams are where they do so also and get noticed these days, but that is not part of this particular discussion)
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Re: Westchester Lacrosse - 03/06/17 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Laxpower shows two more sophomores from Yorktown committed to DI schools - Princeton and Providence; only thing is that they are attending Iona Prep. Yorktown still producing the kids, but why are they going to Iona?

Is that any reflection on the HS Program? But its a good reflection on the Youth program for developing the kids. It's all about developing the kids at the youth and learning the fundamentals. You can not play this game with out fundamentals. Kudos to Yorktown Youth Lacr