Since ESM seems to have a lot going on here is your own place to go at it.

50 pages of the coach is mean and yells at my daughter. To quote Dan Hawkins...

It is a good watch.... It is varsity sports...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je-gpy6Y_UA

WHY?

that's the problem. you think young girls playing lacrosse for their school with their classmates is the same as big 12 division 1 football. it's sad that you can't see the difference. college players also choose their program and coach. high school administrators are trusted to provide a healthy atmosphere for all children. a D1 college parent asking for their kid to have an additional week off is silly but nothing like what's been talked about here. i'm sure you think it was wrong but even D1 college coaches have been removed for abusive behavior.

Is this going to turn out to be a Soap Opera like the Shoreham WR thread did? I'm not from that community, but it got nasty. I know I probably shouldn't of even read that thread since I had no involvement in that community, but it was like a car accident, you really shouldn't watch it, but you just can't help yourself.

Be careful with this thread folks.

ESM is and has been a train wreck for a long time. Boys and girls. They just hid it until now. Many kids hurt and so much favoritism and politics.
You defenders of the program are a joke.

Please send the ESM coach over to our school we will take her in an instant.Has coached my daughter in several things outside of school and clearly knows the sport. Amazing how thin skinned the parents and kids of today have become , the fact that its not the first coach the PAL parents have run out of town tells me its crazy parents at ESM with an AD who must have no back bone. Ask any coach who has been involved in youth lacrosse long enough and they will tell you the youth coaches and parents at ESM are by far the craziest.

7 Mydaughter is on the Varsity team being coached by Becky Thorn and if I thought for a second that my daughter was being verbally or mentally abused she would no longer be playing for her. Ask the parents that r complaining why it took them 3 years of her coaching her daughter before she started to complain?? Younger girls came up and are playing over her daughter so now she is complaining?? The parents at ESM are delusional spoiled brats who usually get there way. I like Becky because not only is she a great coach but she doesn't kiss the parents asses. What happened to when you're cut from a team, you're cut or if your not the best you sit the bench. No of course that's not how it works at ESM. Don't worry Suzie, mommy and daddy will call the school and take care of it for you!! It makes me sick. Also if my daughter screws up during the game she deserves to be benched for the good of the team!! Reality, some girls don't because they are more of a detriment off the field then on, that's just the way it goes!!

It is unfortunate ,for all involved ,that a cry baby daddy who no longer has kids on the team has continued his witch hunt from 5 years ago. She is intense and not perfect but many parents can not handle the truth about their kids. At the Sayville game all the kids but one wore BT on their legs. What does that tell you? Varsity sports means putting the best players on the field. Sorry if you can't handle that crazy parent. Her assistant coach is the dean at the school...and he allows kids to be abused?? I smell a lawsuit coming.

"IT's VARSITY LACROSSE! IT'S SUFFOLK COUNTY...LONG ISLAND!.... Go play intramurals sista," Becky Thorn.

I have had enough. I am a ESM parent who can say my kid was not treated the best but you people are embarrassing us. When I heard you were all over this site I find myself now defending the coach stop it enough. Lets deal with this like adults. So embarrassed to say I am from ESM

AMEN

Maybe the coach should have acted like an adult this whole time. Just a thought. Winning has nothing to do with it but treating young girls with dignity and respect has everything to do with it. If all the accusations are true then it's a sad situation. Just sayin...

Exactly!

you'll see it's more than just one dad. the fact that the dean of students allows it to go on makes it even scarier. surprised you dragged him into the conversation.

The only thing hidden was the unhappy parents circling like sharks when they saw an opportunity to go run to the parent of a child who was pulled out of a game to try to get them on their side to get rid of coach. We all know who they are now. Do they think all of a sudden when the new coach is here things will change? I assume the next coach will put the strongest players out there also. Just like ESM football this year. I assume they put the strongest team out on the field. Facebook posts like crazy how the team was winning and making history. It was great! Loved that the football team was so successful! It brings a community together. So what was one parent on the football team whispering to anyone who would listen, "- my kid is a better more athletic quarterback than who they have out there" same parent now complaining about girls lax team and younger kids playing over hers. It's exhausting and tiresome to hear all the time has no one passes to her son in lax and now girls lax and football. The complaints and whispering never stops.

Becky Thron's YJ team last year was a joke, and so was her practices. She spent half the practice on her cell phone. Especially when the practices were moved to Brentwood and Carol wasn't around. Out of 10 practices she maybe attended 6-7, missed a tournament, and was non existent at the Mitchel Field Tournament. The team needed a lot of work and rather than put it in, she threw in the towel early. Rather than develop talent, she would rather inherit it. Thank god she left to coach another team (not that the new ones will be any better).

Exactly!

As you should be.

He wouldn't that's why you know it's all BS

Does the Dean of Students have a kid on the team?

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watch him start separating himself from it as she goes down

you're completely missing the point. not about playing time or wins and losses. You don't get it

Of course!!! Appropriate isn't it? Not!!!

Have kids been quitting? I've heard stories but wonder if girls are giving up lax because of this coach.

This sounds like nothing that a class B championship can't fix.

The question I have is that one of the posters said that when the new coach comes it will be the same thing? Is a new coach coming or is someone stirring the pot?

BINGO

Maybe your daughter isn't getting enough attention at home that she needs to be coddled by her Varsity lacrosse coach. How about teaching your daughter to get some thicker skin. Who wants a coach that says it's okay honey everytime they screw up that's not the making of a great player.

Bingo what? She's the team USA u19 goalie. #1 goalie recruit in the nation going to notre dame. Tell me now how having him there is a problem for you all. Someone deleted the daddy coach comment-probably realized it was a silly thing to post. He's a well-respected member of the community and people love having him there.

My daughter plays at a different HS who played ESM today, and I have to say I was somewhat surprised at what BT was willing to yell out loud. It was somewhat on the borderline between "bullying" and being an extremely harsh coach. She said things such as, "how are we supposed to play offense if you don't know how to catch" to a very talented player who made one mistake, and something along the lines of "figure it out dammit" when they gave up an 8 meter to my daughter's team. Now I don't think this is grounds for being fired, but maybe someone at the school should encourage her to be more positive to her players, rather than belittle them. I am a big fan of tough love, but to an extent. Maybe instead of screaming out loud that a player can't catch, pull her off to the side and give her a tip to fix her mistake, or even take her out of the game for a bit if you're that angry.

Negativity and berating players should not become the norm for these high school programs. High School is a crucial time in young players' lives and it is important for them to use this time to gain confidence and learn fundamentals.

In the five years she has been head coach,ESM has won two county championships under this coach and lost in the counties last year. Before she got there, the farthest ESM made if was first round of playoffs. She's the real deal and knows what she's doing.

Nothing bad against his daughter. She's a great player. But he got BT the job at ESM because she coached his daughters YJ team. Too close to be impartial to the situation.

ESM didn't have a game today but thanks for your input...

No one quit because of this coach. In fact, no one quit at all. Now I'm sure if a girl decided not to play lacrosse this year - the parents who are trying to get her out because their kids didn't play will say if course the girl quit because of the coach. This is not true. And we should be dealing with the 2014-2015 season. Digging up players from five years ago who didn't like the coach seems desperate to me. Even last year the players came on this board and defended BT. It's amazing the lengths a grown adult with a grudge will go to get rid of this coach. Just as a side note so you all know what we are dealing with here, the last three coaches this parent had a hand In removing accused the coaches of saying inappropriate things to the girls. Notice a pattern here? It's the easiest way to get someone removed. Sad for coaches of all sports. As a supporter of this coach I say run as fast as you can. Why trade your happiness for this harassment? The girls will be heartbroken but you deserve better.

Why is there apparently only one person defending this coach? There appears to be many more people who confirm the negative points. Just an observation.

His daughter is undeniably GREAt. However he used his position and influence to have his daughter moved up from a junior high level and take the position of several girls in years past to help develop his daughter. Those girls lost out on a once in a lifetime opportunity, which is to play high school sports with friends.
Not such a great guy and not as well respected as some may think.
Perception is a funny thing.

Oops not sure why I wrote today, meant to write recently...I guess old age is kicking in earlier than usual lol

I like mike let him coach

oh that's nothing for her. you should hear what she says when everyone can't hear her!

nobody said she can't win. maybe the strong youth program that somebody actually blamed for the problems has something to do with the success.

That couldn't be further from the truth! The youth director thinks she's God and stunts the girls growth. From what I saw,she was a pretty nasty coach herself!

Welcome to the new SWR thread.

And there's no way you're on here writing about a team your daughters team played. That's a joke. Coach yelled at your daughter. Coaches yell sometimes. This is sports. Suck it up.

Maybe ESM and Huntington should switch coaches. Sounds like the same exact whining that went on a few weeks for Huntington. What program is next???????

Coaches do yell - that's OK. However, if you are going to yell, you also need to coach. How about pulling the player over and telling them what you would like them do "next time" or what you want them to do differently rather than demeaning them and telling them they suck. Your title is COACH - not SCREAMER, not BULLY.

I'm so sick and tired of the parents who come on here and say - suck it up, get thicker skin, etc. It's OK to tell a player what they did wrong, that is coaching. It's not OK to demean and belittle.

For those parents who say differently, I guess we will agree to disagree; however, if you are OK with a coach demeaning your daughter and say it OK because they are winning, you have some serious issues and I feel for your won child.

For God's sake, take a Positive Coaching Alliance class or something. Stop saying it OK - it's not.

Well said!!!!

PCA is a great class. Took it myself and it sounds as if it's desperately needed at ESM.

More amazing is you would allow your kid to be demeaned and belittled for the sake of playing a high school sport, a lot of people would think that is bad parenting yet you continue to send your kid into that situation so you can say she plays a varsity sport. I have taken the positive coaching alliance so I don't want to break the golden rule but I just could not think of 5 positive things to say about your post.

Who does it bother more? You or your daughter? My daughters coach gets in her face and she respects the [lacrosse] out of him. You see games, not practices. Games are more stressful for players and coaches and do not reflect the overall compassion each have for the game. Maybe you coddle your daughter too much, I don't know, but if you want her to get a medal for showing up then maybe you should direct her to the chess club or Mathletes.

Nothing bad against his daughter. She's a great player. But he got BT the job at ESM because she coached his daughters YJ team. Too close to be impartial to the situation.

Now they are coaching the YJ 2023 team together.

Every coach at EsM should have to take the class... Many of them do not know how to speak to kids

Saw a Dad yelling at his kid after YJ practice a couple weeks ago. She was practically crying. From ESM.

Good point!

Great post!

Just curious why is this all coming out now?? Noone new to the team except for the 8th graders who are getting plenty of playing time and love the coach or maybe that's the problem?? So it was okay for your daughter to be bullied for the past 2 years when she was an 8Th and 9th grader?? Maybe you're the horrible parent, look inward. So answer the question all righteous one, why now???

Its YJ fault. They are the root of all evil in the game of lacrosse.

You are saying a man gets in your daughter's face and she respects the [lacrosse] out of him? Maybe she inherited a warped sense of how respect is earned from you/her parents. What are you teaching her? That it will be ok for a guy or her husband to get in her face and she should repsect that person. You are a failing parent if you allow that to happen.

I can see being stern and even loud at times when needed, but to get in a child's face especially an adolescent girl is sick and the fact that you encourage her to respect the [lacrosse] out of him is sick. Your setting your child up to become a victim of domestic abuse.

"Your setting your child up to become a victim of domestic abuse."

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"My male lacrosse coach yelled at me at lacrosse practice, now I allow my husband to beat me...." makes sense...

Lets be real...Truths in life...

1. Death
2. Taxes
3. "It is not about the money"... It is about the $$$
4. "Its not you..it's me."... It is YOU

***4. It is always about playing time.

nope. it's coming from players who played a ton too but nice try.

BT is one of the best coaches on the island. She understands the game and works the team. Each player that goes through her is better when they come out. She helps with the strategy on the offensive and defensive end. She helps each player until they get it right and she pushes you to be a better player. She gets her players ready to play at a higher level. She is the best coach ive ever had and i know for a fact i would not have as many oppurtunities that i have had with out her and the rest of the coaching staff. A huge amount of the people on the team are looking to play high level lacrosse in college. You will not always be played and coaching will be just as intense. BT truly cares about the players and wants to see them succeed. Parents are the ones that are ruining this program.

We all know it starts with a grown man who is holding a grudge from years ago. He feeds on the emotions of parents who are unhappy about playing time with their children. This grown man blames BT for everything that is wrong with the lacrosse world according to him. It's actually a little creepy how obsessed he is with her. Ask any parent of past Lacrosse players who they think is behind all this and every one named the same person. You did good things for the community and you're just tarnishing your own reputation with your obsession over a 30 year old young woman. you can suggest positive coaching classes but may I suggest a therapist for you? And just on a side note, three of the BEST players to come out of ESM were at the scrimmage today to see BT and the team. They must really hate her.

Saw this on another thread. I thought it appropriate to post it here considering the coach talk going on.

Jack Nicholson from "A Few Good Men"

Son, we live in a world that has lacrosse and these kids have to be taught it. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for your third line middie and you curse the team. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That the middies benching, while tragic, probably scored goals. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins games. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like cut, pass, slide. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent coaching. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very victories that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a stick, and help my practice. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

You can say any which way you want IT IS ALL ABOUT PLAYING TIME. The three moms complaining are complaining that they're kids don't play. Funny thing is, one of the moms (youth director)was so against selective classification even though her kid is a 10th grader, and is not happy with her kid getting pulled out. The other mom is the former jv
Rocky Point coach whose kids don't get in a lot, also 10th graders. And the 11th grader's mom works at the school and had a sitdown with superintendent about these allegations of bad language being used at practice. The obsessed dad is just using them and they are using him for their own agendas-get the coach out because she doesn't play my kid.
Just own it! It all starts and ends with playing time. Even obsessive dad years ago when his daughter wasn't a starter had the coach at the time removed.

That really is awesome, thanks for the laugh. Unlike Colonel Jessup though, I think some coaches know their intentions are not always noble ( if they are honest with themselves). Jessup, at least, thought his were.

Liar. You're an annoying whiny over dramatic parent. You're destroying your daughters competitive spirit by coddling her. My daughter is strong as [lacrosse]. To even bring up her being a victim of domestic abuse is disgusting. You are disgusting.

Glad I live in another town, Sounds out of control.

She is average at best. From someone who is outside ESM. Her teams are actuall6 getting worse as her career progresses. She had a few good years with girls she only coached a year or so. ow that she has to develop her own talent the teams are getting weaker.

How is the team getting weaker? 11 and 3 record with young players, sounds pretty good to me! Oh and I am still waiting for an answer, why now??

This is a legitimate question? Why have you all endured this for so long without a peep on this board? Seems odd and supports the folks saying this is otherwise motivated.

The team is getting stronger. The above poster refuses to give BT any credit for anything. When they won counties the first time he said they won because of their 5th and 6th grade coach. His hate and weird obsession with her has made it impossible for him to give her the credit she deserves. Sorry your glory days are over, sir. Please go seek the help you need. You are a sad, sad man. Oh, and why now? Let me venture a guess that the last thing Mr. Obsessed Dad wants is for this team to be successful. Stirred the pot last year about the same time, right before playoffs. What better way to rattle a bunch of teenage athletes then to stoke the same "get the coach fired" fire? If the girls make it to counties again and win another championship and he's still complaining the coach needs to go, people are going to start wondering if this guy is working with a full deck. I think people are starting to realize it already.

The worst part is this obsessed dad sent annoynous emails in past years...FACT...that caused young girls to get in trouble all so he could try to weaken the program. We know who did it and guess what it didn't work then it won't work now!!! Move on w your life and leave the program alone you need some serious help!!!

Life truth's...

IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT PLAYING TIME!

"Go play intramurals sista...go play intramurals..."

Finally they are out of the shadow

Maybe this guy needs to be investigated. Seems there's a lot of disturbing things coming out about him and the lengths he will go to to get this coach out. Sounds like bullying and harassment of this coach. And clearly will lie and make stuff up to get what he needs done effectuated. He only needs a few people with a "script" that's he's given them and this is now a mess. The mask eventually slips and his has definitely fell off-we all see him for who he is. Hopefully the board realizes this and when he's promising to get people out to vote for them that no one wants to be connected to this guy anymore.

Go harass your son's college coach. ESM has no use for you anymore!

On May 10, 2015 while my husband was at work a coworker, who is an avid lacrosse parent, came up to my husband with a 5 page print out from this website and asked what is going on at ESM? My husband brought the papers home to me. I was shocked to read what was being put out there.
Like all the parents who have a child on the girls varsity lacrosse team I am aware that there is a situation with the varsity coach. Like all the parents that are talking about this, no one seems to really know what is going on. I, myself, do not know what is going on, yet I am being accused of being the cause of it.
I am 99% sure I believe I know the person behind these accusations but being this person refuses to put their name to it I am unable to confront this person or defend myself.
Unfortunately in today's day and age and these types of websites, people can accuse people of anything and not have to back it up.
As an adult, I am standing behind everything I say and can back my record within the community. I choose not to do what these cowards are doing.
If anyone has any questions I can be approached at the field or however you wish to get in touch with me to discuss what I am being accused of.
Thank you,
Director of ESM Girls Lacrosse
Mary Ellen Dowsett

I am not a ESM parent and so happy you came on! These parents should take some Bully seminars as our children do. Miserable people out there!

First I give you credit for putting your name. That being said no way are most people reading this going to believe you did not know about this site, also it seems the things you have been accused of could be easily refuted but you chose not to ie. kid being selectively classified but now against that opportunity for other peoples kids, and wanting to get rid of yet another coach which is obvious by the " situation with the varsity coach" comment. Also signing as the Director of ESM Girls lacrosse gives the impression that you feel people should be impressed by that. Knowing the ESM coaching staff I am not sure why they would even want to deal with the crazies over there but would venture a guess they feel an obligation to the kids who they have coached for years not to turn the program over to the previously stated crazies.

Mary Ellen,

Now that you have found this site please feel free to contact me, which is something you should have done. I'm Larry and I can be reached at 516.295.0600 and let me see if I can ease your pain, perhaps answer questions, and offer assistance if needed.

I also was alerted to this cowardly attempt to bully people into believing that those who stand on a pedestal and see fit to point anonymous fingers are in fact those "in the right". I do not have children in this school, but I did. I had children who were not just lucky to see the field but earned their playing time. That being said, I was not always a happy camper nor did I think their coaches walked on water because my kids played the sport that they loved. I did not approve of everything that went on with the teams and the coaches. I had a right to my opinion. If I had at any time felt that a coaches behavior was inappropriate, I would have taken some action. Would I have been wrong? No. Would another parent on the team have to agree with me? No. Did they have a right to disagree with me? Yes. If you don't agree with someone else's opinion or their actions, feel free to stand by your coach and support her with dignity instead of trashing people on an anonymous board. I don't need to post my name because I'm not hurting anyone with my post. I'm not calling one individual out as the previous posters have done. It's my point of view regarding what I have read. I think that good wins over evil and if there isn't any truth to what is being said about the coach then she will continue to be the coach. Have faith in your convictions instead of blaming someone who has a different opinion than yours.

Amen! The only thing I have against your post is that people were slandering the coach, so the cheap shots were becoming more and more frequent. While I do not personally agree with most of the coach's decisions, I understand that many parents do and that is their opinion, which they are entitled to.

I am only asking because curious minds want to know, but is there a movement to fire the Varsity Coach from her coaching position? Has there been similar complaints about her coaching of the girls soccer team?

I think that would speak volumes if she either had similar complaints with her other varsity coaching position or not (does she treat and speak to her soccer players the same way that she is being accused of treating her lax players?); as to whether this is a coach problem (similar complaints from soccer and lax) or a politics problem (no complaints from soccer and complaints from lax).

Didn't realize she was the soccer coach but then again, the EMS soccer team is not that good so it probably doesn't get mentioned.
That said, it is a fair question.

there will always be someone who complains no matter what. There will always be someone who likes you and someone who doesn't. When we put ourselves out there you encounter all different responses from all different people. Today's youth are given everything they want and suffer from way to much entitlement. When I was younger if a coach yelled at you your parents didn't jump down there throat and blast them to get fired. Social media is a major problem too!! I personally think the youth director has done a great job growing the game and I believe BT has so much or offer these kids and this program. Her record proves that both what she has done in the standings w lacrosse and how many she has coached that are still playing in college. If she was that bad and rough the girls would have walked away a long time ago. T

All coaches are employees of the district and as such should treat all the students regardless of an extra curiculum activity with respect and dignity.
The girls and boys lacrosse programs should not be treated any differently than the way a teacher would be if they spoke to a child in a demeaning or degrading manor.
The programs are and have been way out of control and no one should be fired over it, it should just be managed by the AD, Principal an Superintendent.
Because the lawsuit will effect the entire community as taxpayers.

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True that.
If BT and KH have friends and are as good as some people think, they will band together with the AD and take action as the Varsity Coaches and Athletic Director.
Hopefully they will read the previous post and keep the lax programs free and clear of any more adolescent drama or the court room.
Tryout make a team or get cut, earn your spot, stay out of trouble on and off the field for 4mos. Seem simple.
Degrading children as coaches, overbearing parents, hazing, nepotism, special consideration for admin children, drugs, alcohol and in appropriate social media actions do not foster the growth of any successful program.
People make mistakes, own it and move on.

ESM 7 over Hauppauge 6

ESM is the 2015 Class B Suffolk County Champs.

congrats to all the players and coaches it take a village to achieve great things. Each and every person whether starter or not has an important role in this win. You should ALL be proud!!

nice for her to go out on a good note

One guy is costing our community a lot of money . Every time we fire a coach it costs us

why do you keep saying she is on her way out and if that is the case, who would be replacing her?

REALLY??? You have got to be kidding grow up!!

Get over yourself she is going no where and if she does then the program that gets her will be one lucky school!!

Say goodbye! She goin bye bye....a college would probably be a good fit for her

coming from an esm alumni,
I think this page is pathetic and a sad excuse for parents to bash on a great coach. I am sorry your daughters don't play as much as you think they should but BT does play the best and she plays to win. HENCE why she made it to the counties for four years now and won three times. It is weird now this is all coming out when people aren't getting playing time? and also weird that if you think college coaches won't yell at your kids... you're out of your mind! People may have different opinions about the coaching staff but ESM is an outstanding young program and only getting better with the dedication of the players and the coaching staff. It sucks seeing parents treat BT, let alone TREAT ANYBODY. like this and also act as if they are in high school with all the drama.... I wish the best of luck to the girls this Saturday, they deserve it, make history and bring home the first LIC.

yup you're absolutely right ESM alum. that's just another selfish parent wining about their daughter's playing time and forgetting it's a team effort and that's how you win a championship. don't get frustrated a great majority of these lax parents feel they're entitled to something even though there may be a kid on the team that might be a little better than their child. they immediately blame the coach if their kid isn't getting on the field. heaven forbid they question their kid's skill and say hey maybe next year she'll work a little harder. here's the proposal I say to all of them. GET CERTIFIED AND COACH THE TEAM DOPE!! INSTEAD OF RUNNING YOUR MOUTH IN THE STANDS!!! YOU'RE RUINING THE GAME FOR THE REST OF THE PARENTS SITTING NEXT TO YOU JACK ASSES!!! Trust me when a coach gets to a championship or wins one they'll be back the following year bozo

Good God you have mother's on your boys youth sports board!? first mistake. second off since when are mothers in the stands bitching.about their.son being the quarterback. youth and school sports these days is becoming a joke. parents, well moms (lol moms) you're ruining the game.

This has nothing to do with playing time, county championships, or a coach yelling at players. It's about living up to the requirements of an educator, and treating high school students with respect, and not bullying, humiliating, and berating them. There are ESM alumni who would paint a very different picture than yours. She can probably get away with stuff like that at a college, and do a great job there, but it's unacceptable at a public HS. The administration is gathering all the facts and will make a change for the welfare of the students.

wow esm is disgusting huh? no wonder why you go through youth and varsity coaches like water. cuz the parents are nuts. I coached an eleven year old football game against ESM this past football season and we were winning 34-0 and we were kinda just asking the ref to end it but anyway we were watching the film of the game and the person filming it was in the ESM stands and all you could hear on the video were parents bashing the head football coach for ESM. it was absolutely disgusting. it's youth football losers how bout shaking the coach's hand after the game win or lose and saying thank you for teaching my son the game because I can't because I'm a moron

Ask Coach Rotanz from SWR if your theory is accurate. That coach won ALOT. Including STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS. Didn't make a difference. He was not rehired.
According to state directives on HS sports it's about participation and inclusion. NOT winning.
Winning is no longer a reason to keep a coach according to administrators. We will see what happens I suppose.

Gathering the facts? Here is one complaint voiced to admin "the coach didn't give a good speech to a player at an award ceremony" these are the types of things they're trying to get her removed for. There has been no bullying and if your child was bullied what kind of a parent leaves their kid in that environment? They're digging up stuff from four years ago and exaggerating it to serve their agenda. It doesn't matter. There are bigger things to worry about in this world. There are very few alumni that would go and complain but if anyone is bullying it is the parents still trying to get her removed and actually telling their kids what they need to say to admin to get her out. What are you teaching your children? Do you also go to guidance the first week of school and change every teacher you don't approve of or like? How will they survive in the real world? Whether the coach stays or goes she will go down as the best coach ESM had ever had and made history with these girls. You can spin it how ever you'd like but those are the facts and the truth. I feel sorry for you-you clearly have a very empty life. Counting down the days.

I don't think ESM coach should stay because she wins, she should stay because she's a great coach and teacher loved by most, and a few parents know what accusations to make to get her removed. They've used the same template three times now for three different coaches.

that's right - soon she'll be history and so will your controlling inner circle

participation and inclusion....so it is about playing time? see? this parent is selfish the team could go winless but so longs her daughter was the star this parent is happy. give it a rest. and since when is a coach no longer not allowed to raise their voice. that's too much for you as well? wow! the fall of competitive youth and scholastic sports as we know it. listen if u think that coach is being fired.....throw your name in the hat next year for the job. I'm sure your coaching methods are much better. and I'm sure your girls lacrosse experience is top notch as well. you can start your daughter and have them throw the ball to her at the cage and she can shoot

it's been said multiple times by various people - it has nothing to do with playing time or a coach yelling. you don't get it. they already have a good candidate.

the candidate should be u. why don't coach since you're spearheading this

It's been said many times and contradicted by the same group of posters many times. Sounds like you have a good candidate.

participation and inclusion are not necessarily simply about playing time. At my daughter's school the subs often watch the starters practice.

yes there are definietly people on both sides of the situation. some are commenting here and some only to the administration.

It's not the parents you should be concerned with regarding inclusion it's the policy makers in Albany and your district. Not knowing first hand if any of the allegations are factual I will say the State doesn't care about winning but rightfully cares about nurturing and teaching student/athletes. Building a winning team at the expense of players self esteem and future college opportunities is not something the State Education Dept and your district administrators want to align themselves with. I wish nothing but the best for all parties involved moving forward.

your 2nd to last sentence was phrased perfectly and is what's at the heart of this issue.

I agree 100% with your post. The issues are a little more complicated and it comes down to he said/she said. And for some reason one parent's word is worth more than all the others, players included. From what I understand they didn't even contact any current players on the team, they contacted players that graduated two years ago.

so next year if the team goes 0-16 that will be fun right? so longs everyone gets even playing time right? listen I get lets have fun and yay for inclusion but it's unrealistic. I've been coaching for a long time and I've coached some championship teams and some bad teams as well. and I can tell you flat out I saw plenty of smiles on those winning teams. on those losing teams I didn't see a lot of that. it wasn't fun. losing isn't fun. it becomes demoralizing. I bet if u put ten young athletes in a room and took a poll and asked is losing fun, ten of them would say no. stop the bs. the people who act the way you're acting I guarantee with my life daughters aren't getting much playing time. tell the damn truth already stop dancing around it.

To whom are you referring to?
The State and the administration adopted the inclusion "trophy for all" philosophy long ago. Since they make the rules I presume these parents have a legit argument if their allegations are correct.

you missed the point completely. if you don't get it by now, you never will, so it doesn't really matter.

it's a dumb policy. inclusion. and I'm coaching football and lacrosse 30 years

ok so seriously what's the point. in summary. and did your daughter get much playing time this season. if not why

For somebody from the outside looking in, this is just as crazy as the SWR thread last year. What gives in the water out that way? Something to do with the power plant? You do realize that outside of your little bubble that this program is pretty insignificant in the regional landscape. I can't believe the mommies in this district have so much time to be obsessed with the issue. I barely heard of this district (had to Google it to see if it was legit) before stumbling into this thread and my daughter recently finished playing in one of the nationally ranked programs in Nassau. ESM is where? Nowhere. Give it a rest.

who cares where your daughter plays if you don't have a horse in this race stay off the creaking track pal and go back to your nationally ranked sidelines!! Oh and if your googling about where ESM is and posting here guess what buddy you too have too much time on your hands. Some of us are trying to save a coach no one cares about your comments nor do we want them here!!

So insignificant that a jack off like you is commenting on it. Guess that makes you the fly that feeds on the [lacrosse] huh? Congrats on the Nassau...(or is it Queens with higher taxes) address.

thanks Hop!! It was a nice respectful conversation until he came in to stir the crap!!

You are showing your stupidity

You can be sure that no coach has ever been fired, hired or retained because of whatever has been discussed on this or any other internet chat board. Your wasting your time here when it should be discussed in meetings with actual face to face dialogue. Nothing that is said here will make a bit of difference.

I'm still wondering how a.successful coach who brings a winning program is having her job threatened. unheard of. no one is giving a real reason. just dancing around why and talking about inclusion and laws. those who want her out want her out because they're daughters aren't getting much playing time. stop it. I'm coaching a long time

if you have coached a long time then you understand that BOE's don't like drama or conflict they only care about the class room. Good coaches get cut all the time and then they hire off a long list of resumes a new coach making $6k a year. The only ones that care about our sport are the 20 parents on the team and the coach, that's it!

I do understand it. trouble is the boe should stick to books and exams. still no one is explaining to me what this coach did so wrong

in our district horrible coaches have kept their jobs for decades in other sports without winning because they never ever give the administration a reason to cut them (besides their record which the BOE doesn't care about). While some of our best coaches have been removed (while winning) because they do what good coaches have to do ... tougher practices, sterner voice, salty language, not playing kids... These types of coaches get fired all the time.

If you want to keep your $5 - $7 thousand dollar coaching check you better not [lacrosse] ANYONE off administration or parents

Let's seriously take a step back the BOE or the AD are not looking at this board. How many times has this board read that a coach was being fired and it didn't happen. Good Luck Sharks vs Wantaugh on Saturday make history and achieve what others said couldn't be done!! Prove everyone wrong!! If you believe it you can achieve it!!

Read the entire thread - bullying players.

bullying and abusing players

My wife has been a coach for many years. She does it for the kids and her competitive nature. She certainly does not do it for the $. After all of the off season clinics, time watching film, and winter leagues she probably makes .25 -.50 cents an hour!

Look at the idiot Middle School Coach in Sayville. He got a DWI last year, is being sued by Bill Smith's niece for bullying her in the school hallways, even when she wasn't playing for him and was on the JV team as an 8th grader. He knows nothing about lacrosse, (gets by because there are a ton of travel girls who play in their youth program), and he is still coaching. He is connected to their teacher union, that's why he still has his job. It's about who you know and who likes you. Nothing to do with wins or losses.

I suggest you read the thread. Also, it is absolutely not unheard of for a winning coach to be fired. Happened recently to a well known boys coach. Again if you read the thread I'm sure you will be more informed.

it's disgusting that you people want this coach's head. and Tommy Rotanz could Care less coached for thirty years put his sons through college. problem is you parents want coaches you cam control. the coach at swr now is soft. the parents will have him on puppet strings quickly. and as for Mary Ellen Dowsett who so boldly threw her name up on here a day or two ago. she's another one with the mommy ball as a coach only looking out for her daughter. listen stop trying to control the coaches. u people are going through coaches in ESM like water. u should be embarrassed

Good coaches get fired for doing bad things... Bobby Knight

Examples of bullying by the coach are...
They said the last two coaches they got fired at ESM were bullying too.

define how the coach is bullying players. and don't say by playing better players over your kid

good luck ESM girls against wantagh. go get em. as for you idiot ESM parents who want the coach fired. I hope the next coach you get loses every game for the next ten years. you people have no idea what it takes to be a coach or the hours you put in. I challenge anyone of you crybabies asking for this coach's job to coach the team next season. can you do a better job? I doubt it!!!

AMEN!!! You people are complete idiots!!! Go Sharks!! 💙A proud Alumni

Wantagh in a rout. Bank it. Watch the replay of how they beat Manhasset if you don't think so.

I'm the previous poster and am not even a ESM alum nor do I have a kid in the district. my kids play lax in a neighboring district. but I'm rooting for ESM girls lax as well ad their coach. as a coach myself I know what you're dealing with

they already have a better candidate

Great example!

oh yeah? who's the candidate? someone's mom?

Bobby knight started losing in first round of tournaments or not making it at all before he got fired. get your facts straight

nope...can't say...you'll see soon enough

still no examples of how the present coach bullies players. all BS. again go get wantagh girls. don't let the couple idiots in the stands ruin it for you

There is no one up for the job - this poster is just stirring the pot. A teacher will put in for it because current coach's job is being excessed. Just like the bullying and abuse allegations this person has nothing

You are right the ESM coach is far better than Bobby Knight ever was LOL You guys are very entertaining!

Her job is being excessed?? We all know a certain daddy coach administrator will pull some strings to allow her to stay. After all, still has other daughters coming up the line!

That's not how it works but you sound worried and a little obsessed with this family.

just going to say this and sign off the coach your talking about needs to pull no strings...his daughter made U19 and excels bc she works hard and trains even harder. The sun is shining go outside and play with your children instead of putting down another man and his family...maybe your kids will get better too!!!

You're comparing Division I Men's Basketball criteria for being fired with public HS coach that's abusing young girls? Nice...you don't get it either.

someone brought up Bobby knight and why he was fired and I corrected him. sigh.....can the mother's just go back to raising kids?

Never mentioned his daughter. She's a great player and deserves the accolades she gets. But the relationship between the dad and coach (nothing sexual intended so don't read into it too much) leads to a loss of impartiality. As long as he has other daughters coming up the line, there will be a bias. And thank you for the tip but my kids are good enough without your advice.

ESM girls play yet?? they beat wantagh? I really hope so. so that coach can raise.their.finger as long island champs. if it was me I'd raise my middle finger towards section of stands where the parents who hate me or kids don't play sit.seriously if this coach is removed I hope all of you sit in the stands next season and watch that team lose each and every game. I really do. I'm recently retired ans my kids are grown so all I have is time. think I'm gonna come out and watch a couple next year. I pray if this coach is removed I pray you lose every game from then on. ungrateful bastards.

can I sit next to you please!!!

sure ungrateful sports mom

no I on your side. I think it would be a grave injustice if they let her go!!

oh ok.sorry real confusing to see who's who on this thread. u can sit next to me whenever you want. they better not let her go. but if they do we'll sit in the stands and watched that team get smoked next season. I hope they won today

AGAIN it has nothing to do with wins and losses. you'd get it if your daughter went through what some of the other girls went through. people who didn't experience it don't get it. that's ok it will be corrected and who cares if they lose a few more games.

The investigators have the info, and they know who the candidate is, once the job is excessed! Believe it or not, they'll still be a great team! They have a strong youth program, and lots of talented players.

Your retired? Goes to show some don't age with dignity. Your comment is disgusting. I pray you take your vitriol toward next years kids and move to Florida.
Regardless of your opinion in this issue wishing (or praying as you said) any I'll will towards the returning kids should get you a slap.

Not surprised this person supports that coach! Sounds like they're cut from the same cloth!!

Thanks mr L

how do you excess a coach's job!? only in a school district ran by selfish parents. went through quite a few varsity football coaches over the years as well. ridiculous

Congratulations BT and the girls Long Island Champs!!!!!

Congrats ESM. LI CHAMPIONS.

that's great!!!! congrats coach!!! as I've been sayingthe ddistrict is insane if they let you go. stop letting the selfish cry baby mommies run the athletic program. stop going through coaches like western I know the AD personally great guy. stop making his life miserable

This win is not about the coach. It's about the players that played the game. Congratulations and savor this victory. The coaching situation will work itself out as it may. For now the players the coach and the community deserve an opportunity to celebrate their championship. Congrats!!

yep you're right my words got away from me there. drink it in ESM girls

There's no way a coach will be replaced after winning a Long Island championship. That's a recipe for a lawsuit.

you're right. a recipe for a lawsuit. but there's mommies who believe there daughters who can't throw or catch and aren't getting on the field are being bullied so they want the coach out. I guarantee the people who want the coach out daughters don't get much playing time. tell the truth. stop hiding and dancing around it. as a coach I know what the major [lacrosse] about a coach's job is at this level

Once again Winning has nothing to do with it. It's been said over and over just ask the Shoreham Wading River boys coach who was fired right after winning a STATE championship. If the investigation shows that her methods are borderline she will be let go. I guess we will have to let the process take place.

man I coached all these years and it was never about winning?? man what was I thinking?? u mean for thirty years I could've just sat in a lawn chair on the sideline and just rotated the whole team in and out of the game while sipped lemonade and read the paper?? all these years I wastes trying to win games?? if.I get a second chance at life that's what I'll do as a coach I'll tell my team after they lose every game and get demoralized....."hey so longs it was fUN guys cuz winning never matters." oh and did everyone get in? u over there who hasn't been able to catch since you've been in tenth grade u did good today. never picked up one ground ball. dropped every pass thrown to u. but hey your mom emailed me so I started to so it could be fun. did u have fun!?" next time around that's how I''ll coach because I've been doing it all wrong all these years. right sports moms!?

You are so not getting it, and stop slamming all the moms. You have no idea who is posting, much less their gender.

I'll tell you "coach". If you were in fact a coach was it at a public school?

it is the moms and if it's the dad's good Lord be ashamed your trying to have a coach removed and you know why. stop dancing around it. and public school. I've coached in youth and college. parents like u didn't exist though. other parents didn't welcome it

Exactly, correct and concise...

it was about bullying then right and by bullying tht means yoit daughter didn't play much stop it I'm doing this too long

You're doing what too long? Not understanding the issue? Playing time has nothing to do with it!

I'm coaching too long dummy!! define bullying as it applies in this case.

let me guess the coach raising their.voice at your kid is bullying? pull them out of competitive sports. grow up. I know u probably don't raise your voice in your liberal home.

not about a raised voice, and my daughter is playing college lacrosse which is quite competitive. we'll see how the process plays out based on the people who have spoken to the administration. hopefully they do the right thing. definitely not a liberal but nice try.

Same poster on the Huntington thread. Take these comments for what their worth. Not much.

vm3FDpWhat a joke coach wins the LI champ and you want her out. oviously the kids are playing for her and and oviously she is playing the rt kids. When it comes to bullying the coach is probably tough on the kids but thats not bullying its most likely the truth and the truth hurts!!!!

yup same poster on Huntington thread you're absolutely right. so what. you're probably leading the charge to take the coach's job. I don't care who you are moderator or not. you don't tell me what I can and can not say. take the comment for what it's worth....lol....ooooh boss of the lacrosse blog ......big shot. you probably couldn't handle a little yelling from the coach when you played either. if you did play. enjoy the day.....Hop...lol. I'll post wherever I want when I find it appropriate to voice my opinion as u allow everyone else too. seems though when someone comes on and disagrees with the majority....one of you moderators step in talk to belittle the poster. again as long as posts like this exist I'll come on here and voice my opinion about parents who want to interfere with the coach's job Hop!

if your daughter is playing college lacrosse why are you so concerned about going after the ESM coach's job? just bored right?

Because it's not right. You don't understand wanting something to be corrected for the benefit of others? I'm not surprised if you're in that group defending her treatment of the kids.

im not fully aware of [lacrosse] the players are being treated everyone is dancing around the topic and not providing any details so yes I'm gonna defend the coach until I hear an example of her bullying

Lol...actually I do tell you what you can and can't say. I'll see how much longer I'll let you post considering you have nothing to contribute other than admitted blind comments based on no information.
Thanks for admitting you have no idea about the details in either the Huntington or ESM situations and that you simply defend the coach anyway. Your an idiot and should have the players best interest at heart first.
I allowed your rambling post aimed at me to go through so the BOTC community can see what a moron you are.

I was told by a friend that has kids on the ESM program that the coach singled out a couple of girls after a loss and called the girls pu$$se$ . If it is true and she called my daughter that I wouldn't be on here talking about it I would be in the AD office with the coach and my daughter getting to the bottom of it.

lol "I do tell you what you can and can't say!!!" ok Lord of the chat room. go back under your computer. I'll voice my opinion how I see fit. at no point did I use vulgar language. it's evident the parents are running.those programs. especially ESM. they go through coaches like water. people like u will continue to destroy.competitive sports. I'd love to know if u even played the game

I have no desire to see anyone lose their job. Coaching is a difficult task. I've played and coached at every level including college. I simply think people have the right to be heard because as you know if you have coached there are good ones and bad ones. I have an issue with you attacking people who may have a legit argument. Simple as that.

then maybe we had our wires crossed and I apologize if you may have taken some of the things I said the wrong way. but as a former coach it was things like this that drove me away from it after both of my son's graduated.

Today's game is very different certainly than when I played in HS and college and even different from 10 years ago. A lot of coaches are still great but more and more we see some coaches playing politics due to the money involved in travel club lax and private training. Both of which didn't exist years ago.
We struggle with it at the national governing level as well as local level.
When people bring up the bias coaches have or their methods of coaching they all too often are told to shut up or that's it's always about playing time. Maybe it is or maybe not but they should at least be heard.
Even though you came at me pretty good I still approved your posts and didn't give you a cross check to the head. Lol. That would have been old school how we were taught. Right?
Good day.

Yeah Hop. Lol. Just how we were taught. And point about yesterday's coaches(me) & today's coaches understood. As difficult as it may be. Have s good day.

I know we all want to look at the world with those rose colored glasses but sports is tough. Sports used to be a conduit for life. It helps you over come adversity. It helps you learn how to deal with many different people & personalities.

I understand Coaches say, teammates say, even parents say tough things. We may not like it but I was always taught there was a time and place for everything. Just as I am a proponent of "hey, your kid is great at my house you really taught them manners." Funny you hear as a response 8 of 10 times , "that isn't the case in my house." Well they did listened and followed through at the right times. They applied the lessons learned!

I have absolutely no connection to the situation but see way to much coddling. When did it become a soft world. You got called out, okay; you got called a name, sucks, yeah sure. But Move on! It is not how you fall but how you get up!!! So get the up.

I thought LI lax was like Texas football or Texas cheerleading I guess not. I am not really an ends justify the means person but if all a coach did was call the girls some names and pointed out a few players. Don't see the big deal.

Oh and for those that say they are girls, I say why treat girls any different than boys. Just because you called them a name doesn't mean you don't respect and like/love them. I am quite sure we have all called our parents, family members and close friends bad names. doesn't mean we didn't love and care for them.

Hey I have a few nieces and nephews I called "little [lacrosse].. plenty of times and deservingly so. But I love them dearly and would do anything for them.

The most important part of your post was when you said you "have absolutely no connection to the situation". If you did, and your daughter was the subject of this behavior, which is more than name calling, your post would be completely different. I agree with much of what you said, but it doesn't really apply here.

Hey Hop. please check out the last poster. that's all I was trying to say. he just worded it much more eloquently than I ever could. Well put sir. as a retired coach I couldn't agree more.

I agree with much of that post as well but also agree with the responding post. I guess the old adage of "it's in the details" applies here. I'm not sure we can all get the gist of the details flying over it at 10,000 feet. The investigators, parents and coaches have a better take on all this and will be the players in this moving forward. Not us.

yeah you're probably right. I was just pointing out how well explained the "old" coach's opinion that's all.

To the girls, I would like to say congratulations and that you have made our school very proud. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity and quite an accomplishment. You will all cherish this for the rest of your lives. Whether you played in the games or not you should be proud. Good luck in states!

Has anyone looked into the AD's past with LIU Post? There is a reason he does not want conflict.

who's their AD?

now your really grasping at straws!!!

This comment allegedly made by the coach was from two years ago. They looked into it two years ago and was found to be untrue. When there is talk of an "investigation" not one player on the current team has been questioned about whether they have witnessed anything inappropriate . My daughter told me this has by far been the best year on the team-not just because of how well they are doing but it's been the most fun with all the players and coaches really having a great time all while working hard on the field. What kind of an investigation calls players from two years ago and asks if the coach said mean things? The past is the past. And if a parent is alleging bullying and abuse why wouldn't you pull your child away? They are a great bunch of girls who have so much fun together and are so close. A few parents have tried to sabotage this team and I couldn't be more happy for the girls that they were able to block it out and do so well.

me too

so thwas incidents aren't from this season?

What?

sorry was typing fast. it meant to say these incidents aren't from this season?

As an outsider reading this the only conclusion is that they played like a team, believed in themselves, believed in their teammates & believed in their coaches and won the Long Island Championship because of it. No parent complaining was going to stop them from doing it. Teams and leaders win now go bring home the title. Good luck.

Oh so full of crap.
Here is another conclusion Mrs "Outsider" lol.
The ESM coach played the same kids that are her pets ALL GAME LONG same as the rest of the season, screamed at them on the field same as the rest of the season and beat a WANTAGH team that didn't play nearly as well as they should have.
Easy as that.

Sounds like the coach played the correct kids because they won it!

ESM = SMH you girls won and go represent Long Island no matter what your dysfunctional parents have to say about it. I thought watching the Smithtown East parents fighting among themselves were entertaining this is simply amazing and sad put your differences aside and be proud and loud for your children causing getting back ain't easy.

At the expense of the other 13 kids on the team. Winning at any expense...your right that morons like you think that's what it's about. Read the posts you idiot. You just don't get it and never will.

It's a shame you feel that way and can't give credit to your own team's hard work. ESM played great and beat a great Wantagh team. It's even more of a shame that you can't be happy for these players because you're letting your own personal feelings get in the way. Did you see how happy they all were after that game? These girls all genuinely care and support each other from the youngest to the oldest. Sometimes we parents get in the way. Just let them enjoy this great season and this weekend. just for a few more days can we just be supportive and wish the girls the best? I guarantee you none of them will forget these past two weeks and will remember them fondly.

She didn't scream at them. Watch the game on MSG. Even when mistakes happened she handled it fine and that's why the girls shook it off and continued to play great. enough with the screaming accusations. Each game was filmed. Get the link and go watch each game and you will see she didn't yell and scream.

Wake up and watch the other games coaches play the game to win and there are not many subs in most of the tight games you moron. Unless your at practice everyday working with the kids day in a and day out how would you ever know why she plays the kids she plays? She won a championship idiot, now go and cheer for your kids or just go to a corner and stew while your yes your child's team wins a state championship and you just drove 289 miles to be bitter. Three days to States and this is how you act pretty sad. I wish it was just some sh** h**d trying g to stir the pot but your hatred seems to be sincere. Good luck ESM

just caught bits and pieces of an ESM game against shoreham. looks like a well coached team. I didn't hear any screaming and yelling but then again the audio on msg varsity is terrible it's like the microphone is out in the parking lot

So true WI only plays 13-14 kids that's just the way it is.

From two and three years ago

wow two and three years ago huh? and most of those girls are in college and as the coach wins a LI championship that's when parents from two and three years ago want her fired? WOW

Let's go ESM! Come back with a state title!

games today or tomorrow? I wish them the best of luck. I live outside the district and support the team and your coach. best of luck in state championship!

you obviously don't know anything about the coach's behavior over the last few years. good luck to the girls for sure though!

another one who's lucky that your kid hasn't been hazed and abused by a coach and thinks it's all about winning in HS. you don't get it either but you're certainly not alone!

It is all about winning...go get your participation medal at Gymboree! BABY

Stop now this is getting ridiculous

listen I was the original poster who asked how two or three years later this is finally being brought up. not here to insult u or make light of your case either. was your daughter a starter abd is she playing lacrosse still? also not a dig or an insult just asking bcuz as a former coach I've coached with some great coaches and some nightmares and I've had some great players and parents and some nightmare players and parents.

You're a moron

it's far from ridiculous. it's serious and fortunately it will be corrected soon.

ESM up 11-4 in second half of state semi-s vs watertown

How is it going upstate!

Sorry guys I mistakenly anointed ESM as State Champions. One more to go tomorrow. Wishful thinking on my part as all Suffolk teams advance to the finals!!
Good luck girls!!!!

oh I thought they played already too. Lol. I'm rooting for them also.

just opened up Newsday this morning and was happy to see the ESM girls win states!!!! I live outside the district but if I didn't and had a daughter I would've loved to have had her play for that team. looks like a great bunch from top to bottom. hope msg varsity shows the game this week. congrats girls!!! there were people rooting against you.

Girls NYSPHSAA Championship games are being played today. Good luck to West Islip, ESM and Mt. Sinai.
Suffolk County could sweep the finals with wins today.

Two down one to go.
Mt Sinai and West Islip are State Champions!! Complete the 631 sweep ESM!

ESM LEADING 4-1 in 1st with 10 minutes to go.

8-2 ESM. HALFTIME

ESM Class B Champions!

class B Champs

A moron who values winning! BABY.... What does the shirt say? FAST or LAST! It's sports, not church. Win or go home, losers walk, etc. etc. I've given our coach the green light to push my kid who thrives under a firm hand. Call it what you like, but it seems to me that ESM is getting results. And results/winning are what matter in sports and ultimately life. Get used to it, or better, get your kid used to it because it is a cruel world out there that celebrates Winners!

Awesome job ESM. Congrats to Coach Thorn and the girls . happy that they didn't let all the nonsense hold them back.

Congrats Becky Thorm and all the coaches and players!!! It's nice to see that in five years this coach turned the entire program from worst to first!!! Way to go Thorn!!!

way to go coach!!!! enjoy the next ten years at ESM

And were does the youth program come into play? No help from them. Parents putting in the time to coach and invest in travel.

Yes, now they can move on with the new coach and a state championship!

Wow.
The celebration turned quickly to comments familiar to this thread.
Too bad

now you see the craziness that we deal with at ESM !
Give it a rest and let the kids, coaches and community savor the win
your kids don't play anymore move on and find something else do with your time

I'd that why you do things to get thanked. That's sad!!

you truly need a life...end of discussion!! I commend Coach and her staff for putting up w the nonsense and while all of this was going on focusing on what counts most the kids!!

They are savoring it, which they should, my daughter still plays, and this doesn't take up much of my time

Yeah very crazy parents. not all but some obviously

I think at some point as a grown up you should move on. If your kid is still playing then clearly she wasn't that abused as others are stating. The problem here is the parents not the coach...parents today blow everything WAY out of proportion from what I was able to see by the outpost of support last night as the girls got home all are happy and people are stirring the pot who have nothing to even do w the program anymore. Move on with your lives leave the high school girls alone and their coach!!!

yup grow up. if your daughter I'd no longer playing for ESM because she GRADUATED then move on already.

I think this page should just be deleted.... ESM should not have there own page to talk all this bullcrap. Let that be handled with the school not for everyone in the world to see and write nonsense on. ESM community is better than this, they just won a freaking state championship, that comes from dedication of both the players and the coaches

Can someone give me any recommendations on someone to train my daughter? she is mostly defense but plays midfield when needed. colleges wants to see her improve on her defense any one know of any players or alumni that are good defense trainers?

ESM community is definitely NOT better than this! It's right up their alley, based on what I've seen over the years!!

ESM Community in my opinion is the best place to live!!! A community that stands behind each other in good and bad times. I'm proud to call it my home and I agree let's get rid of this page bc truth be told most who post on here are pot stirrers and probably know nothing about about the truths of the program. To the poster asking about a trainer post on the FB Page if you live in this community there are many alumni willing to help im sure!!

Congrats to Becky Thorn...Coach of the year!!!!

It's unfortunate that character is not considered when choosing a Coach of the Year.

umm no......I believe character is considered. you're 100% wrong. a lot goes into voting for those accolades be it for players or coaches......but mainly I'd like to say congrats coach Thorn. well deserved all around.

It's based purely on results unfortunately.

She's a good coach and obviously will be back for years to come. Get passed it now.

Well then why not west islip or Sinai coach? Just be happy for the her and ESM or not. Nothing anyone says on here will take away from these children the incredible year they had. I'm so happy for all of the kids and coaches. ESM administrators are the ones with no integrity - different rules for different sports. an athlete from another sport breaks a huge zero tolerance rule yet because it's softball it's ok and is still allowed to attend huge sporting event in uniform. A couple of years ago a player was kicked off the baseball team for something that happened off school property. This offense this year was on school property and super and principal give the child a pass. At least a little consistency would be nice.

I am not positive but I think that was an opinion post vote for coach of the year, I think I heard someone else won that award for that division. Don't know for sure though.

Wow I didn't know that. that's a shame. was it a bad offense worth removing her from the team? the softball player I mean

Just like year end awards that usually go to stat leaders, the coaches awards usually go to winners.

Its not rocket science. If you have read newsday over the years you understand this.

Great honor that usually comes from people that just read boxscores!

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing"

UCLA Bruins football coach Henry Russell ("Red") Sanders

I believe that quote was from Vince Lombardi

Are we still talking about this? ESM won the NYS championship. BT is returning.... Deal with it and move on.

Lombardi borrowed it....everyone gives him the credit, but he wasn't first to say it. Look it up.

Winning doesn't overcome behavior. Just ask Bobby Knight and Joe Paterno.
Just saying.....

The entire BSM program from second grade to high school is filled with nothing but favoritism and politicsand we all know Becky's favorites are selected early and taking care of

Joe paterno huh? poor example. move on the man is dead

Actually I'm wrong it was a good example. I'm thinking of something else

Sad that you don't see the difference between public high school girls lacrosse and UCLA football. Feel bad for the girls that aren't on the BT and TH favorites list.

guess those girls don't work as hard as the so called favorites. Tell them work a little harder in the off-season and maybe they'll get noticed by BT

Favorite list just won a state championship....maybe there is a reason they are favorites... funny how that works

Lol

Or maybe their parents just haven't kissed the right asses to become favorites!

funny

doubtful......maybe the girls just worked hard like I previously said. I saw a few games on msg varsity and it appears to me that all of those girls who are getting the bulk of playing time belong on the field. what are you going to do if when your kid graduates college and the job they apply for maybe they don't get......are you going to write a letter to the company in which they applied demanding an answer or accusing the boss of favoritism? give it a rest. hard work pays off. those girls belong on the field.


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My kid will apply for another job because that's the different between a job and a school - there are multiple other choices.. I don't pay taxes for her to go to that job. And at that job, the taxes that I pay don't help fund the boss's (coach's) salary. Those are a few differences.

Great answer.
Public school employees work for the taxpayer and are accountable to them.

Problem is, there are very few unhappy taxpayers. The vast majority are glad to have her in our district. She spent at least 250 hours with these girls during the season. The kids were given an opportunity to play fall ball, winter training and winter league. She set up team bonding activities and the girls all had fun while learning more about each other. The result is a state championship. Many HS coaches do nothing for their teams. She goes above and beyond her coaching paycheck for these girls. It is the best 25 cents that I have ever spent.

There are more unhappy people than you think but they're afraid to say anything while their kids are still playing. That's why many of the people who spoke up were parents of kids that graduated or quit.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing"

UCLA Bruins football coach Henry Russell ("Red") Sanders [/quote]

Sad that you don't see the difference between public high school girls lacrosse and UCLA football. Feel bad for the girls that aren't on the BT and TH favorites list. [/quote]guess those girls don't work as hard as the so called favorites. Tell them work a little harder in the off-season and maybe they'll get noticed by BT [/quote]

Or maybe their parents just haven't kissed the right asses to become favorites! [/quote]doubtful......maybe the girls just worked hard like I previously said. I saw a few games on msg varsity and it appears to me that all of those girls who are getting the bulk of playing time belong on the field. what are you going to do if when your kid graduates college and the job they apply for maybe they don't get......are you going to write a letter to the company in which they applied demanding an answer or accusing the boss of favoritism? give it a rest. hard work pays off. those girls belong on the field.


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My kid will apply for another job because that's the different between a job and a school - there are multiple other choices.. I don't pay taxes for her to go to that job. And at that job, the taxes that I pay don't help fund the boss's (coach's) salary. Those are a few differences. [/quote]

Great answer.
Public school employees work for the taxpayer and are accountable to them.

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but more accurately the coach works for the elected school board through the appointed principals and ADs. so unfortunately (or fortunately) the coach doesn't have to address each taxpayer on and individual basis. So unless there is a groundswell against a coach that impacts the principal and the school board, it is not easy to get things to change. I guess the Rotanz saga is the comparison.

what about the football team and their incident oh wait swept under the rug

kissing [lacrosse] is key bc I knew plenty who played for her and worked harder then some who simply would just party or fool around...both at YJ and school they started the good kids who worked their [lacrosse] off sat the bench. Her favoritism was extremely evident the past few years and if you didn't fool around and she didn't like you she would not give you a second look. Let us not forget how she laughed over the incident last years SEVERAL of her superstars were involved in.

coach of the year award should be voted on at end of playoff

What happened with the football team

don't know. what happened? what did they fire another coach? football team at ESM goes through football coaches like water

Is this [lacrosse] still going on? Move on people....we are now going to enter the 2015-16 school year. Go find a campfire to sing around.

Lmfao. a camp fire. that's funny.

Laughing, singing, drinking....whatever it takes...just move on!!

My daughter who graduated a few years ago ran into a younger player today and started a conversation with her. She stated BT was fired my daughter was taken back by this is this true. It's sad if it is the case!!

It's not

Nope, nice try Sh@# stirrer. Crawl back into your hole and keep grinding your teeth over the next season.

Not fired, but won't be at ESM next spring

who gets the job then?; the new assistant? seems they like her

Yeah that's not true either. More BS.

Are you from the ESM district?

I am and she was not fired