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Here is the thread you requested. Play nice.

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Here is the thread you requested. Play nice.

would it be so much to distinguish between Suffolk and Nassau

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Here is the thread you requested. Play nice.

would it be so much to distinguish between Suffolk and Nassau

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Here is the thread you requested. Play nice.

would it be so much to distinguish between Suffolk and Nassau

Does it matter? Some Suffolk teams play in Nassau pal, plus, what goes on in one is beneficial for all to know.

anyone have a link to the boys schedule

Isn't there a Nassau PAL thread already?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone have a link to the boys schedule

For Suffolk, your coach should be able to supply you with a copy of your schedule. There is no link for it online.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone have a link to the boys schedule

It is on the Syosset lacrosse site under PAL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone have a link to the boys schedule

For Suffolk, your coach should be able to supply you with a copy of your schedule. There is no link for it online.

When does the Suffolk season start?

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When does the Suffolk season start? [/quote]

This Sunday, 3/29

Just got word that MG is no longer suffolk director

Don't know if it's true but heard that the Chairman of the Suffolk County PAL Lacrosse was fired because he was withholding this season's schedule for some reason.

The fall of MG .... First TLI now Suffolk PAL....... Bye Bye......

What would be the benefit of withholding the season schedule?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't know if it's true but heard that the Chairman of the Suffolk County PAL Lacrosse was fired because he was withholding this season's schedule for some reason.

If he is the Chairman, how does he get fired?

Mike Gongas is gone from PAL because EVERYTHING he does is self serving. He hides behind the mask of "I do it all for the kids". That's BS. This guy is mentally unstable and belongs on the sidelines with the rest of the unstable lacrosse parents in his travel program. Nothing worse then a volunteer that complains about volunteering. Like its getting in his way of doing what he really wants to do. Go make the last of your money with Team Long Island, that will soon be over too!!!

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Here is the thread you requested. Play nice.

would it be so much to distinguish between Suffolk and Nassau

We can do that if you like. Maybe we can make two new ones and call them Nassau. Use these for Suffolk?

Is Gongas really gone? He sent out schedule emails to the Directors yesterday. Gongas is like a rash that wont go away.

does any one have the Suffolk PAL schedule. If so can you please post.
-thanks

There are around a dozen Suffolk towns playing in Nassau County PAL this year.

That's because Suffolk is run by a bunch of clowns that have ruined the PAL experience for both the kids and the parents. The directors and coaches of many of the teams left in Suffolk have all lost sight of what this is supposed to be. This was meant to be a place where kids from the same towns/school districts would play against kids from other towns/school districts. In the coaches and directors own selfish desires to win at all cost the PAL experience for the kids is lost. My son plays for Sachem North 6th grade and the new coaches have imported kids from as far away as South Hampton, Center Moriches and elsewhere to play on his team in an attempt just to win games. Sachem is a very large district with more than enough kids to field their own teams, but instead our kids will be on the sidelines watching kids from other towns play, falsely representing Sachem lacrosse. This is discouraging for our kids and make them not want to play because they feel the "coaches" don't think they are good enough. The pathetic excuse of a director we have knows all about this but does nothing. PAL knows this practice is rampant in their league but they refuse to do anything about it. If you are going to run a league and then refuse to enforce your own rules you're league is destined to fail. Suffolk PAL and the programs left in it have and continue to fail all the kids and their town programs involved which is a shame, because isn't that all it is supposed to be about?

There are a few other towns that sound like the above.

I have a question how common is it to have "tryouts" masqueraded as 'evaluations" by those in the good ole boy network. or better yet, what grade is it okay to have TRYOUTS. Surely cant be 2nd or 3rd grade could it. This is PAL for goodness sake. You have a few more years before you find your best middie attack. and heaven knows you can have 5 years before you found your defender or goalie.

The you should document it and make it formally know to SCPAL> Those guys try not to give out waivers. If your coach brought on two or three players without them he will be suspended for the season
quote=Anonymous]That's because Suffolk is run by a bunch of clowns that have ruined the PAL experience for both the kids and the parents. The directors and coaches of many of the teams left in Suffolk have all lost sight of what this is supposed to be. This was meant to be a place where kids from the same towns/school districts would play against kids from other towns/school districts. In the coaches and directors own selfish desires to win at all cost the PAL experience for the kids is lost. My son plays for Sachem North 6th grade and the new coaches have imported kids from as far away as South Hampton, Center Moriches and elsewhere to play on his team in an attempt just to win games. Sachem is a very large district with more than enough kids to field their own teams, but instead our kids will be on the sidelines watching kids from other towns play, falsely representing Sachem lacrosse. This is discouraging for our kids and make them not want to play because they feel the "coaches" don't think they are good enough. The pathetic excuse of a director we have knows all about this but does nothing. PAL knows this practice is rampant in their league but they refuse to do anything about it. If you are going to run a league and then refuse to enforce your own rules you're league is destined to fail. Suffolk PAL and the programs left in it have and continue to fail all the kids and their town programs involved which is a shame, because isn't that all it is supposed to be about? [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are a few other towns that sound like the above.

I have a question how common is it to have "tryouts" masqueraded as 'evaluations" by those in the good ole boy network. or better yet, what grade is it okay to have TRYOUTS. Surely cant be 2nd or 3rd grade could it. This is PAL for goodness sake. You have a few more years before you find your best middie attack. and heaven knows you can have 5 years before you found your defender or goalie.

I don't think evaluations/tryouts are a bad thing at any level, as long as there is opportunity to advance to a more competitive team as a player's skills and ability grows. If you have 15 kids that can catch and throw effectively and 15 who's skills are still developing, separating them will allow a coach to work on skill specific drills. You will allow more advanced kids the ability to tackle more advanced strategies and concepts while strengthening the core skills of the others. The advanced team will play in a higher division and be challenged while the developing team will be placed in a lower division with similar teams and still be competitive. I've seen it work well as young as 2nd or 3rd grade, absolutely. Inevitably, the teams will balance themselves out over time. Some players will just work harder than others and kids will drop from the top team and be replaced by players who have worked to improve their game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's because Suffolk is run by a bunch of clowns that have ruined the PAL experience for both the kids and the parents. The directors and coaches of many of the teams left in Suffolk have all lost sight of what this is supposed to be. This was meant to be a place where kids from the same towns/school districts would play against kids from other towns/school districts. In the coaches and directors own selfish desires to win at all cost the PAL experience for the kids is lost. My son plays for Sachem North 6th grade and the new coaches have imported kids from as far away as South Hampton, Center Moriches and elsewhere to play on his team in an attempt just to win games. Sachem is a very large district with more than enough kids to field their own teams, but instead our kids will be on the sidelines watching kids from other towns play, falsely representing Sachem lacrosse. This is discouraging for our kids and make them not want to play because they feel the "coaches" don't think they are good enough. The pathetic excuse of a director we have knows all about this but does nothing. PAL knows this practice is rampant in their league but they refuse to do anything about it. If you are going to run a league and then refuse to enforce your own rules you're league is destined to fail. Suffolk PAL and the programs left in it have and continue to fail all the kids and their town programs involved which is a shame, because isn't that all it is supposed to be about?

Sachem football is no different. This is absolutely no disrespect towards you because you seem to feel the same way, but your league is a disgrace on every athletic level. With the huge talent pool that you guys have over there, there's no way that your teams should have any out of town players. I've been to the coaches meetings for the peewee league... they're horrifying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are a few other towns that sound like the above.

I have a question how common is it to have "tryouts" masqueraded as 'evaluations" by those in the good ole boy network. or better yet, what grade is it okay to have TRYOUTS. Surely cant be 2nd or 3rd grade could it. This is PAL for goodness sake. You have a few more years before you find your best middie attack. and heaven knows you can have 5 years before you found your defender or goalie.

There are few things in youth lax worse than watching your wide-open son being ignored because no one will pass him the ball for the entire game. Even teams encourage even distribution and play-making opportunities.

I don't think evaluations/tryouts are a bad thing at any level, as long as there is opportunity to advance to a more competitive team as a player's skills and ability grows. If you have 15 kids that can catch and throw effectively and 15 who's skills are still developing, separating them will allow a coach to work on skill specific drills. You will allow more advanced kids the ability to tackle more advanced strategies and concepts while strengthening the core skills of the others. The advanced team will play in a higher division and be challenged while the developing team will be placed in a lower division with similar teams and still be competitive. I've seen it work well as young as 2nd or 3rd grade, absolutely. Inevitably, the teams will balance themselves out over time. Some players will just work harder than others and kids will drop from the top team and be replaced by players who have worked to improve their game.

That is a disgrace that Sachem, one of the largest districts on L.I. has kids from out of district playing for them. They are and have been a traditionally competitive lacrosse rich district and am sure they have plenty of kids wanting to play at all levels to field a team of their own kids. The parents in that league should be outraged having to watch their kids ride the bench while kids from other schools play for their team, I would consider that nothing short of a huge slap in the face. Maybe they should learn from the other big lax programs surrounding them on how to run a program and start grooming their own kids to play. I guess this is just what youth sports has become in some places, not about the development of the kids but fulfulling some loser coaches own self serving interests of winning at all costs. Everyone playing them this year should ask to see their roster and to ID all the kids if SCPAL is going to take no action.

If it is so bad why don't you just ask for your release. I am sure they would give it to you. It sounds like you would be doing the community a huge favor. The youth programs are fine and hundreds of kids and families are happily part of the program. But you also get the trolls like yourself on BOTC that like to stir the pot, anonymously of course.

You just sound like a disgruntled parent. You are the problem in youth sports, not the VOLUNTEERS.

How is this even possible? there are very few exceptions for a child not playing for his own district: 1 - there is no team offered at his grade level is his own district; or 2 - the child is from a split home and while he does not live in the district, one of his parents do and he has ties to that district. Most of the districtis surrounding Sachem have programs at all levels so there should be absolutely no reason (other than those stated above) for them to have anybody other than those from Sachem playing PAL. Somebody needs to step up and fight for their children if non-Sachem boys are playing Sachem PAL.

Hey congratulations captain obvious, you figured it out, I am a disgruntled parent. I'm sorry I am disgruntled because I pay to have my Sachem kids play in a large "Sachem" based league that according to you I should have to ask for a release for my Sachem kids from a Sachem league because I(and many others) are not happy that non Sachem kids are playing in the Sachem league taking playing time away from Sachem kids....makes total sense. This is the mentality we are dealing with and why we choose to remain anonymous so our children do not suffer the repercussions. Why don't you ask yourself why are these non Sachem kids playing in the Sachem league? Maybe they are disgruntled parents, maybe they were problems in their league, why aren't they playing there?..where the are supposed to, but that doesn't matter, right? Problem is not with all volunteers, just some who are doing it for the wrong reasons....win,win,win!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If it is so bad why don't you just ask for your release. I am sure they would give it to you. It sounds like you would be doing the community a huge favor. The youth programs are fine and hundreds of kids and families are happily part of the program. But you also get the trolls like yourself on BOTC that like to stir the pot, anonymously of course.

You just sound like a disgruntled parent. You are the problem in youth sports, not the VOLUNTEERS.

you are joking right. I am glad I have aged out but I have seen it all in the PAL system. Cheaters, boys club mentality, do as I say, pity me the volunteer, and all the rest and as soon as you confront them to fix or to help you are singled out and ostracized.

PAL is for Hometown not guest stars. Sure there is the special instance for that kid in a town who does not have a program not for those that don't like their program "because the kids are too week in their opinion".

yes there must be levels of play so each learns plays and grows at a rate which makes them thrive but the way it has gone is crazy.

You say hundreds are happy, well I bet hundreds are not, so what does that make it.

PAL should institute at least 2 days of practice for each team above 4th grade. One day for the entire grade to practice together (with all coaches) and another day for each team go over game situations. This way each town can grow the stronger players and their program together while also promoting the town as a whole (not as a hole).

Thanks Charlie...maybe if you and your friend Mike didn't make kids not want to play, the program would not be in the shambles it's in. The former Head Coach and his Assistant were a disgrace. Kids dropped left and right not wanting to play anymore. Parents are thrilled to see them gone.

Hey Anonymous or Charlie, you sir are an idiot and the type of parent who have systematically destroyed youth sports as we know it. With the daddy ball and the whining in the stands about why isnt my son who has tow left feet starting quarterback on the football team. You're a tool pal. Be realistic. It's a shame how obsessed you are with this with your written letters about "hired guns" or whatever. You're an idiot. It's youth sports clown....Since when is sachem youth sports governed by Sachem school district or any youth sports program. They're kids clown. Maybe they had a bad experience in their hometown organizations and just want to play lacrosse or football or whatever for sachem. Maybe thier parents are Sachem alum and are familiar with the program or came up through the program and want their kid to play their you moron! Give it a rest and grow up! And there's no way your son plays for that team.

Sachem youth sports isnt governed by Sachem School district pal. Maybe those kids had bad experiences in their hometown programs. Did you ever think of that. Their kids they just want to play somewhere. And who cares who they play for and listen, Youre son doesnt play for that team. Maybe he did at one time and you were soured by something but seriously grow up and go back to work. Youre a grown man who writes anonymous letters and posts anonymous posts. Show your face say who you are. Please do. Especially if you "claim" youre a North parent on that team. Stop hiding.

That is the truth. My child is on that team and I was one of the parents that said something to the board of directors. These coaches were horrible to the kids. It got to the point that many of us couldn't take it and filed a complaint to have him removed. The board responded to our many complaints to ask him not to coach and mow they are determined to do anything they can to make our season miserable.

Do not listen to these lies. The truth is that they were terrible coaches that would scream at the kids for no reason and just had poor communication skills with the kids and parents. The kids didn't want to play for them and everyone knew it. We are happy its over and they are gone.

They want everyone to think that Sachem is terrible but the truth is they are just not nice people and upset that we wanted him to be removed and are much happier for it.

Clown. Stop kissing the varsity coaches *****. They dont know you

Where'd the guy go that was complaining about the sachem program. Coward.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Anonymous or Charlie, you sir are an idiot and the type of parent who have systematically destroyed youth sports as we know it. With the daddy ball and the whining in the stands about why isnt my son who has tow left feet starting quarterback on the football team. You're a tool pal. Be realistic. It's a shame how obsessed you are with this with your written letters about "hired guns" or whatever. You're an idiot. It's youth sports clown....Since when is sachem youth sports governed by Sachem school district or any youth sports program. They're kids clown. Maybe they had a bad experience in their hometown organizations and just want to play lacrosse or football or whatever for sachem. Maybe thier parents are Sachem alum and are familiar with the program or came up through the program and want their kid to play their you moron! Give it a rest and grow up! And there's no way your son plays for that team.

Article VI:7 of the Suffolk PAL Lacrosse Rules:
A player must play for the program in the public school district where the player lives, unless there is prior written approval by both involved directors. If the involved directors do not agree on a player playing outside his school district, the player must play for the program in his school district.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clown. Stop kissing the varsity coaches *****. They dont know you

Stop being so classy...

truth is they do know you and were in support to have your removed because of crap just like this. It's easy to see who is the one with real problems.

thats great you took the time to quote the rules. #1 how do you know those kids didnt get an approved release form from their home district. Secondly, if a kid never played youth sports in their home district then your article VI:7 doesnt apply so calm down with the rules quoting. It means nothing. Their kids not 15 year old midgets that were snuck on the team. The t's were crossed and i's were dotted before the season began. Theyre not pro players their skill set is equal to any other experienced player on that team and there's quite a few. So go back to doing what youre doing and stop hurting kids who just want to play no matter where it is you idiot.

Sorry, youre replying to the wrong person. I was responding to the same idiot u were when I said stop kissing the varsity coaches *****. He knows who he is thats why he's hiding

You my friend are the real loser. Citing rules. I thought it was about the kids. Obviously not for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Anonymous or Charlie, you sir are an idiot and the type of parent who have systematically destroyed youth sports as we know it. With the daddy ball and the whining in the stands about why isnt my son who has tow left feet starting quarterback on the football team. You're a tool pal. Be realistic. It's a shame how obsessed you are with this with your written letters about "hired guns" or whatever. You're an idiot. It's youth sports clown....Since when is sachem youth sports governed by Sachem school district or any youth sports program. They're kids clown. Maybe they had a bad experience in their hometown organizations and just want to play lacrosse or football or whatever for sachem. Maybe thier parents are Sachem alum and are familiar with the program or came up through the program and want their kid to play their you moron! Give it a rest and grow up! And there's no way your son plays for that team.

Article VI:7 of the Suffolk PAL Lacrosse Rules:
A player must play for the program in the public school district where the player lives, unless there is prior written approval by both involved directors. If the involved directors do not agree on a player playing outside his school district, the player must play for the program in his school district.

As a football and lacrosse board member from my town, I can state, as fact, that Sachem sports have never notified us when one of our players has tried to play with them. It's really a shame, because they have some outstanding players and parents. Most of the coaches I've met have been respectable gentlemen; however, it appears that the wrong people have been coaching their top teams. They should recognize that children who go to school together, hang out after school and on the weekends together, and see each other socially will always play better together than if a few out of towners are brought in just to win. To the best of my knowledge, they haven't even won while cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Anonymous or Charlie, you sir are an idiot and the type of parent who have systematically destroyed youth sports as we know it. With the daddy ball and the whining in the stands about why isnt my son who has tow left feet starting quarterback on the football team. You're a tool pal. Be realistic. It's a shame how obsessed you are with this with your written letters about "hired guns" or whatever. You're an idiot. It's youth sports clown....Since when is sachem youth sports governed by Sachem school district or any youth sports program. They're kids clown. Maybe they had a bad experience in their hometown organizations and just want to play lacrosse or football or whatever for sachem. Maybe thier parents are Sachem alum and are familiar with the program or came up through the program and want their kid to play their you moron! Give it a rest and grow up! And there's no way your son plays for that team.

Article VI:7 of the Suffolk PAL Lacrosse Rules:
A player must play for the program in the public school district where the player lives, unless there is prior written approval by both involved directors. If the involved directors do not agree on a player playing outside his school district, the player must play for the program in his school district.

Oh yea right....like that rule is followed. let kids play where they want. That rule is there to punish people who want to leave their program and go to another. PAL nonsense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You my friend are the real loser. Citing rules. I thought it was about the kids. Obviously not for you.

Hiding behind the "it's about the kids"?? Really??? Taking kids from other towns to build a winning team is about fat Sachem trash coaches and their unfounded egos. There are rules for a reason, *****. PAL is about town kids playing together. Because your kid sucks and can't play on a quality winning travel team, doesn't make it ok for a fatass coach like you to cheat to get him a win.

Just stay away from our lacrosse program and leave us alone. enough is enough. You are not welcome and these tactics only show how overdue it was for you to be removed as the coach. Now we can finally just play lacrosse.

kids are kids it doesnt matter if they go to school together. matter of fact when i played youth sports in the 80's i didnt go to school with any of my teammates. i was from outside "the district." and it never mattered

Its not cheating ******. Cheating is when you dr birth certificates and stuff like that

Well said

It is about the kids jerk off. Thats why there's why kids who want to play arent turned away

Such harsh words. Wonder if this thread will be removed. Where are the mods?

Charlie this is exactly why SSC asked you and your assistant coach to leave and never come back. You were a pathetic loud mouth crazy coach who doesn't know how to talk to or coach the kids.. you are only out for yourself.. everything you say is all lies.... don't be a bitter man just go back to work and find something else to do with your time... loser

Charlie U *******!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this guy's kid any good?

Amen!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

thats great you took the time to quote the rules. #1 how do you know those kids didnt get an approved release form from their home district. Secondly, if a kid never played youth sports in their home district then your article VI:7 doesnt apply so calm down with the rules quoting. It means nothing. Their kids not 15 year old midgets that were snuck on the team. The t's were crossed and i's were dotted before the season began. Theyre not pro players their skill set is equal to any other experienced player on that team and there's quite a few. So go back to doing what youre doing and stop hurting kids who just want to play no matter where it is you idiot.

Nice twist on the rules! If they never played in their home district that's not at all what it reads. But if they do have the releases from both their home district and sachem then they are allowed to play on that team. I side with the rational people it's for town teams only. There's not many towns that don't have a PAL program.
That is what tournament teams are for or pick up teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

kids are kids it doesnt matter if they go to school together. matter of fact when i played youth sports in the 80's i didnt go to school with any of my teammates. i was from outside "the district." and it never mattered

The 80s had a quarter of the amount of teams then there is now. PAL was structured different and rules changed. Time for you to cut the mullet and step into the new millennium

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does any one have the Suffolk PAL schedule. If so can you please post.
-thanks

http://suffolkpal.usl.la

Still here and just sorry to see what I have been saying all along has come to fruition. Instead of addressing the issue people single out and personally attack those who they think brought it up. Did not mean or want to have this wrath headed in any one's direction, but at least the issue is out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

kids are kids it doesnt matter if they go to school together. matter of fact when i played youth sports in the 80's i didnt go to school with any of my teammates. i was from outside "the district." and it never mattered

did you district have a program?

Hopefully you will just go away now. You have done enough damage to our kids and our team and this thread is only further proof of your craziness. It was always about YOU. Things like this remind us all of why we requested to have a new coach put in place. Who goes to this extreme over youth sports? I have never been on this site but felt it was necessary to speak up. We will play and be happy win or lose but we will not have to listen to our kids get verbally demoralized by you and your assistant anymore.

my district takes the 3 village kids who get cut at the tryout for pal.no waiver or release ever produced.coach goes as far as telling opposing teams he has a mixed town team to cover his a... never has a roster ever been asked for or produced in suffolk pal. cant even get coaches to wear i.d badges at games.ralph

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my district takes the 3 village kids who get cut at the tryout for pal.no waiver or release ever produced.coach goes as far as telling opposing teams he has a mixed town team to cover his a... never has a roster ever been asked for or produced in suffolk pal. cant even get coaches to wear i.d badges at games.ralph

A try out for PAL. I thought that was not allowed. I thought the rules stated take any kid who wanted to play, plays. I am fine with making stronger a/b teams (using town players). I believe that is the only way players get better but to not let a child play because they didn't make a cut. or better yet, what about the old don't let travel boys play PAL because they were played travel. Sachem is not the only one.

don't now who Charlie is, but you don't like his good and plenty I take it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my district takes the 3 village kids who get cut at the tryout for pal.no waiver or release ever produced.coach goes as far as telling opposing teams he has a mixed town team to cover his a... never has a roster ever been asked for or produced in suffolk pal. cant even get coaches to wear i.d badges at games.ralph

A try out for PAL. I thought that was not allowed. I thought the rules stated take any kid who wanted to play, plays. I am fine with making stronger a/b teams (using town players). I believe that is the only way players get better but to not let a child play because they didn't make a cut. or better yet, what about the old don't let travel boys play PAL because they were played travel. Sachem is not the only one.

don't now who Charlie is, but you don't like his good and plenty I take it!

Charlie needs to be quiet now that everyone know his true colors.

What is the actual rule about a player playing up in grade. Why is Suffolk. Pal against it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the actual rule about a player playing up in grade. Why is Suffolk. Pal against it?

There should not be a rule. If there is that's rediculous. Give those better players A chance to stay "in town" in stead of going to and only doing travel. Prep those boys for the progression of HS especially at 5/6th grade. May sound rediculous to you but trust me it will hurt the town or HS down the road.

There are current examples of this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the actual rule about a player playing up in grade. Why is Suffolk. Pal against it?

I could be wrong, but I din't think there's a rule for a player playing up. Obviously there's a rule for a player playing down.

Vidoe tape them, send a copy to the Suffolk County cop in charge of PAL and just for kicks send one to Newsday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is the truth. My child is on that team and I was one of the parents that said something to the board of directors. These coaches were horrible to the kids. It got to the point that many of us couldn't take it and filed a complaint to have him removed. The board responded to our many complaints to ask him not to coach and mow they are determined to do anything they can to make our season miserable.

Do not listen to these lies. The truth is that they were terrible coaches that would scream at the kids for no reason and just had poor communication skills with the kids and parents. The kids didn't want to play for them and everyone knew it. We are happy its over and they are gone.

They want everyone to think that Sachem is terrible but the truth is they are just not nice people and upset that we wanted him to be removed and are much happier for it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Vidoe tape them, send a copy to the Suffolk County cop in charge of PAL and just for kicks send one to Newsday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is the truth. My child is on that team and I was one of the parents that said something to the board of directors. These coaches were horrible to the kids. It got to the point that many of us couldn't take it and filed a complaint to have him removed. The board responded to our many complaints to ask him not to coach and mow they are determined to do anything they can to make our season miserable.

Do not listen to these lies. The truth is that they were terrible coaches that would scream at the kids for no reason and just had poor communication skills with the kids and parents. The kids didn't want to play for them and everyone knew it. We are happy its over and they are gone.

They want everyone to think that Sachem is terrible but the truth is they are just not nice people and upset that we wanted him to be removed and are much happier for it.

to the guy/gal who responded to the post "on top" of the previous post....is it that difficult for you to respond below the post your are referring to?

I believe this person was referring to last years coaches who have since been removed. At least that's how I understand it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Vidoe tape them, send a copy to the Suffolk County cop in charge of PAL and just for kicks send one to Newsday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is the truth. My child is on that team and I was one of the parents that said something to the board of directors. These coaches were horrible to the kids. It got to the point that many of us couldn't take it and filed a complaint to have him removed. The board responded to our many complaints to ask him not to coach and mow they are determined to do anything they can to make our season miserable.

Do not listen to these lies. The truth is that they were terrible coaches that would scream at the kids for no reason and just had poor communication skills with the kids and parents. The kids didn't want to play for them and everyone knew it. We are happy its over and they are gone.

They want everyone to think that Sachem is terrible but the truth is they are just not nice people and upset that we wanted him to be removed and are much happier for it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Vidoe tape them, send a copy to the Suffolk County cop in charge of PAL and just for kicks send one to Newsday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is the truth. My child is on that team and I was one of the parents that said something to the board of directors. These coaches were horrible to the kids. It got to the point that many of us couldn't take it and filed a complaint to have him removed. The board responded to our many complaints to ask him not to coach and mow they are determined to do anything they can to make our season miserable.

Do not listen to these lies. The truth is that they were terrible coaches that would scream at the kids for no reason and just had poor communication skills with the kids and parents. The kids didn't want to play for them and everyone knew it. We are happy its over and they are gone.

They want everyone to think that Sachem is terrible but the truth is they are just not nice people and upset that we wanted him to be removed and are much happier for it.

Suffolk is not PAL has no police involvement

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Vidoe tape them, send a copy to the Suffolk County cop in charge of PAL and just for kicks send one to Newsday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is the truth. My child is on that team and I was one of the parents that said something to the board of directors. These coaches were horrible to the kids. It got to the point that many of us couldn't take it and filed a complaint to have him removed. The board responded to our many complaints to ask him not to coach and mow they are determined to do anything they can to make our season miserable.

Do not listen to these lies. The truth is that they were terrible coaches that would scream at the kids for no reason and just had poor communication skills with the kids and parents. The kids didn't want to play for them and everyone knew it. We are happy its over and they are gone.

They want everyone to think that Sachem is terrible but the truth is they are just not nice people and upset that we wanted him to be removed and are much happier for it.

Suffolk is not PAL has no police involvement

Suffolk is definitely PAL. Definitely has police involvement.

Yes, Suffolk is P.A.L.

You people are hysterical...Good Luck Sachem North at the Shamrock Shootout tomorrow!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, Suffolk is P.A.L.

does the girls?

I will say this topic is DONE!! We all know who the culprit is and who to blame. Let's have a great season and move on!!!

If SCPAL actually LOOKED at the rosters OR they issued photo ID (like Football).
ENFORCE your own rules and actually check for waivers. But something tells me this is a can of worms nobody wants to open. If Gongas is really gone maybe the new executives will have an interest in running it like a real program and not a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I will say this topic is DONE!! We all know who the culprit is and who to blame. Let's have a great season and move on!!!

I would not say it is done. Are the people who are running it now there while the last r�gime was there. if so they need to leave as well. I find it hard to believe one or two people were governing the whole thing. Remember change is always difficult, there will be many things questions both good and bad.

Good luck to those fighting the good fight

there are a number of towns, big towns, that just put out 1 team for pal -- 3 village, long beach come to mind. those teams are traditionally always strong and wind up beating up on the 3-4 equal teams per grade gc, manhasset and csh would put forth. this was a major reason why the Select division was created. so teams could competitively play those towns that do that--and what happened- some of those town dodged the select league and opted to stay in D2...total joke...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there are a number of towns, big towns, that just put out 1 team for pal -- 3 village, long beach come to mind. those teams are traditionally always strong and wind up beating up on the 3-4 equal teams per grade gc, manhasset and csh would put forth. this was a major reason why the Select division was created. so teams could competitively play those towns that do that--and what happened- some of those town dodged the select league and opted to stay in D2...total joke...

Total joke if it is true that the reason 3 village only has one team is because it is a tryout team.

Video tape them? you're a loser. If you knew anything about PAL its illegal to videotape another team's practice or games. Just continue to video tape the guy next door to you taking a shower guy

Listen, your sister wears a mullet in her underwear. Shame we'll never see the intensity in sports that the 80's brought. The way i was coached in that era turned me into the adult I am today. Now a days the mommy's and daddy's writing emails and crying to board members and coaches are destroying youth sports. Wake up everyone it's still sports. Let the coaches coach.

I know a few years ago the executives of the Suffolk PAL Football left after about 8ooo years running the league. There has been big changes there since that happened. Maybe the voices of change can now break through the dictatorship that had developed.

Yeah all the good old timers left. Now all the vaginas and women took over. Lets be nice and have consolation games and yay hug everyone. Take the word contact out of the word contact sports. Now all the cry babies go to the meetings and complain waaaaaahhhh i cant move up to the A division we'll get killed but theyre slaughtering teams in the H division. Those were good guys that original PAL group

Woo said anything about taping another team ? Its about improper behavior from your own coaches. I see I hit a nerve, is somebody bringing in ringers and acting like a lunatic ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Video tape them? you're a loser. If you knew anything about PAL its illegal to videotape another team's practice or games. Just continue to video tape the guy next door to you taking a shower guy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Listen, your sister wears a mullet in her underwear. Shame we'll never see the intensity in sports that the 80's brought. The way i was coached in that era turned me into the adult I am today. Now a days the mommy's and daddy's writing emails and crying to board members and coaches are destroying youth sports. Wake up everyone it's still sports. Let the coaches coach.

Easy there, Al Bundy. What's next, you're going to tell us about your 4 touchdowns in one game at Polk High??

The way you were coached turned you into the adult you are today??? Well, no one likes what you've become. That's why they want things changed. Total meathead.

I dont know any coaches who behave improperly

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people are hysterical...Good Luck Sachem North at the Shamrock Shootout tomorrow!

Yeah, Sachem North. Good luck at the tournament playing town teams with your select team stacked with out of towners. Even cheating, you're still going to lose because your coaches suck.

Oh You know me?

Thank you! Lets go boys!

Just for the record 3 Village does not have a tryout. It is an evaluation. Any kid who wants to play PAL lacrosse has an opportunity to play on a PAL team. Also there are grade levels with multiple teams in them. So who ever is writing about 3 Village doesn't know what is going on

REALLY???? Says who???

Sachem should never have to bring in players with the amount of kids in that district. Pal Lacrosse teams are supposed to be made up of town players only. If the coaches feel the need to bring in other kids to compete then they should start a travel team. Hopefully PAL will start to get involved and start checking rosters and enforce the rules of the league.

Personally I think that it a nice gesture that they allow children that want to play this great game the opportunity to play when their OWN district has a ridiculous set of rules that prohibits them from playing for their town team.

you talked about the " win, win, win" mentality. Actually the team you are talking about lost all its better players because of the coaching change for summer ball that you bitched and moaned to get. Went from playing in A division to the C division. From what I understand and have heard through the grapevine, 12-15 players did not come back because of the coaching changed from all your crying!!!

Where did they go ? to stack some other town team ? You play for your town team if its in PAL PERIOD. If there is hardship, parents divorced and its easier to play in the other parents town etc. you can get a waiver. WHo gives a crap if your A or C. This is NOT travel ball. There are plenty of other avenues for better players to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you talked about the " win, win, win" mentality. Actually the team you are talking about lost all its better players because of the coaching change for summer ball that you bitched and moaned to get. Went from playing in A division to the C division. From what I understand and have heard through the grapevine, 12-15 players did not come back because of the coaching changed from all your crying!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just for the record 3 Village does not have a tryout. It is an evaluation. Any kid who wants to play PAL lacrosse has an opportunity to play on a PAL team. Also there are grade levels with multiple teams in them. So who ever is writing about 3 Village doesn't know what is going on

i call schennagins after evals the boys are split into p.al. and in house. every boy does not get to play p.a.l. with 3 village ralph

I second those shenanigans!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you talked about the " win, win, win" mentality. Actually the team you are talking about lost all its better players because of the coaching change for summer ball that you bitched and moaned to get. Went from playing in A division to the C division. From what I understand and have heard through the grapevine, 12-15 players did not come back because of the coaching changed from all your crying!!!

Kids who quit, wouldn't play for you MIke. It ends up being 5 or 6. Your constant talking about a sport you know nothing about, bored them to death. great job destroying what could have been a good team. The constant negativity , putting kids down behind their backs. Karma is a [lacrosse] and it all comes back. The kids will have fun this year and move on to the MS program next year. Hopefully they can undo the damage that was caused by Charlie and Mike the last 4 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Personally I think that it a nice gesture that they allow children that want to play this great game the opportunity to play when their OWN district has a ridiculous set of rules that prohibits them from playing for their town team.

It's certainly a "nice gesture" but that's not what the rules state for PAL. Your gonna have to elaborate further on what a rediculous set of rules are exactly for us to feel your pain

PAL should cancel games tomorrow now .

Does anyone know of a shooting clinic going on today? Looking to get out, preferably in Suffolk but will travel. Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL should cancel games tomorrow now .

Can't see them playing the games tomorrow, especially on the fields in central and eastern Suffolk. It is not going to warm up fast enough for this stuff to melt in time. If it even does warm up.
We shall see....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people are hysterical...Good Luck Sachem North at the Shamrock Shootout tomorrow!

Yeah, Sachem North. Good luck at the tournament playing town teams with your select team stacked with out of towners. Even cheating, you're still going to lose because your coaches suck.

Stop whining Charlie, it's not very ladylike. Your son is more than welcome to play its just you that no one wants on the sideline anymore.

No games. And still no schedules. SCPAL Lax what is going on?

Change at the top combined with two weeks of cancelations . Its going to be a rough road and the individual town directors are going to have to take the bull by the horns. Lotsa headaches but with next being off do to Easter it gives them breathing room it get it sorted although I am hearing three towns just made the jump to Nassau PAL, that shoul dput a wrench in it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No games. And still no schedules. SCPAL Lax what is going on?

[quote=Anonymous]No games. And still no schedules. SCPAL Lax what is going

If you click a date on the calendar on the right side on the page, it will open a schedule. I found that out by accident.
Website needs some serious updates too.

We should do them a favor and all move to Nassau PAL. Its a great time to make a clean break. Create more Suffolk divisions within NCPAL and just let SCPAL die from self inflicted wounds.

The suffolk PAL website has not been updated in over 4 years. It really is a shame.

What long island needs is a full travel lacrosse league. Let all these travel teams play a full league schedule, not just tournaments. Soccer has found a way to do it and make money, thats what travel lacrosse is about.

PAL is about teaching the game to the kids, any kid. I do not agree with stacking teams and playing down a division. I coach a C level team. Thats what we are. We are not going looking for kids outside the district. My son has been playing for 5 years and could play on an A or B level team, but we are playing with his friends and classmates, half of them just started last year or this year. It is a shame that some coaches recruit kids from outside their district at the expense of local kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The suffolk PAL website has not been updated in over 4 years. It really is a shame.

The above link IS an updated website. For the first time since 2011, you can see your teams schedule online for the current year.

Progress people

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The suffolk PAL website has not been updated in over 4 years. It really is a shame.

The above link IS an updated website. For the first time since 2011, you can see your teams schedule online for the current year.

Progress people

Most programs, for whatever reason, have been sending their teams to the old site. I believe this one was a secret to most until it was posted here. Directors only.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The suffolk PAL website has not been updated in over 4 years. It really is a shame.

The above link IS an updated website. For the first time since 2011, you can see your teams schedule online for the current year.

Progress people

Wow, what a difference one day makes. I hope you keep it up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

Most programs, for whatever reason, have been sending their teams to the old site. I believe this one was a secret to most until it was posted here. Directors only.

And a BIG thank you goes out to whomever it was who posted it.

I know for a fact my director didn't even know it existed

No problem. It was sent out by my son's team for the first time this year. I assumed that everyone got it.

Maybe you can put the website under the useful links section on bottom right of the main page. Nassau PAL is listed there already.

Any good PAL games this past weekend?

Most were cancelled. 3"of snow even on the turf fields.

Your director is full of crap as all directors had to add their own home games to that site!!! Every Director created their own log in!!!

Is there a difference between the 4 Divisions in NCPAL for 4th grade?

I was under the impression that the Board encouraged balanced teams through 4th grade (whether towns comply with that mandate is another discussion and based on the comments in this thread it appears that many towns do not). That said, if every town is supposed to have 'balanced' teams, are the Divisions merely structured to group towns that have similar abilities based on history?

Would be interested to hear if anyone can shed some light on how the 4th grade Divisions are determined.

Divisions are determined based on the previous years records. PAL tries to create balanced divisions so that similar strength towns play one another. PAL asks the directors to let them know if the team for the current year has similar players from the previous year, and looks at their record as well. They match similar strength teams. It usually works out well unless a director lies and stacks a team that is put in a lower division.

That is why the Select division was created--so teams could compete if they chose to with the towns that have cuts for PAL and only put forth one team into PAL play and up until this point would roll over many of the other non stacked multiple team PAL towns...

wondering how the opening weekend worked out for you? we were involved in a blowout. great job seeding teams pal.

Middle Country 8 th grade team is a sandbagging fools.. Their Coach is a tool.... Plays down just to win games....

Middle country not a stacked team combined two teams. They r a good team but like all other teams have some good players and some weak players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a difference between the 4 Divisions in NCPAL for 4th grade?

I was under the impression that the Board encouraged balanced teams through 4th grade (whether towns comply with that mandate is another discussion and based on the comments in this thread it appears that many towns do not). That said, if every town is supposed to have 'balanced' teams, are the Divisions merely structured to group towns that have similar abilities based on history?

Would be interested to hear if anyone can shed some light on how the 4th grade Divisions are determined.

My sons 4th grade malverne played Franklin square today.

Division 4. It was 11-9.. Evenly matched. Both teams had 1 or 2 players with most kids without a clue

Is there any where to get the results of Suffolk PAL games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Middle Country 8 th grade team is a sandbagging fools.. Their Coach is a tool.... Plays down just to win games....

there is an 8thgrade PAL division??? what the what

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there any where to get the results of Suffolk PAL games?

Don't think so.

why the need for scores, is there a playoff? if not then each game is a new season each week building on the next!

Just a shout out to Long beach 5 "B" team. They played North Shore and blanked us. Long Beach was well coached, played clean and were aggressive. Good experience for my North Shore guys.

any good games yesterday??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Middle Country 8 th grade team is a sandbagging fools.. Their Coach is a tool.... Plays down just to win games....

there is an 8thgrade PAL division??? what the what

No, but there are 7th/8th divisions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Middle Country 8 th grade team is a sandbagging fools.. Their Coach is a tool.... Plays down just to win games....

there is an 8thgrade PAL division??? what the what

No, but there are 7th/8th divisions.

This is a pure 8th grade division as well - played yesterday

I am new to this... Anyone know where to find Nassau results/standings week to week?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am new to this... Anyone know where to find Nassau results/standings week to week?

That is not posted. Never has been, probably never will be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]does any one have the Suffolk PAL schedule. If so can you please post.
-thanks

This site no longer works. Anyone know whats going on?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]does any one have the Suffolk PAL schedule. If so can you please post.
-thanks

This site no longer works. Anyone know whats going on?

it worked this morning...

Hey 4th grade. How is the Suffolk PAL season going for everyone? Who are the teams that you're having troubles with (any division)?

B+ division seems pretty light. How do they pick the teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey 4th grade. How is the Suffolk PAL season going for everyone? Who are the teams that you're having troubles with (any division)?

The Sayville Purple team in the 4th Grade Blue Division is a very good team. They should really be in the A division.

Most town pal division bracket teams are picked and separated by a group of coaches or the director. It's basically done that way to give each kid the realistic opportunity to play at his or hers own level.
Many parents although feel that their child is more advanced then they really are which creates animosity amongst the parents from the no kid should be seregated factor . as usual politically correct syndrome will ruin youth town ball if the objective is to build a stronger program by placing the advanced with advanced and the devolopmental with the devolopmental , there's no value in placing both together on both ends of the fence , when neither will benifit from it .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

B+ division seems pretty light. How do they pick the teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey 4th grade. How is the Suffolk PAL season going for everyone? Who are the teams that you're having troubles with (any division)?

The Sayville Purple team in the 4th Grade Blue Division is a very good team. They should really be in the A division.

Thanks for the info. We play them later in the season. Anyone else play any solid teams in B+? Port Jeff? Comsewogue? Riverhead? SYAG?

Who's the best 4th grade team? Three Village?

Jericho Gold is definitely in the conversation.

What about 3rd and 5th?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey 4th grade. How is the Suffolk PAL season going for everyone? Who are the teams that you're having troubles with (any division)?

The Sayville Purple team in the 4th Grade Blue Division is a very good team. They should really be in the A division.

Thanks for the info. We play them later in the season. Anyone else play any solid teams in B+? Port Jeff? Comsewogue? Riverhead? SYAG?

That Comsewogue team is an average B+ team.

West Islip is team to beat

Originally Posted by Anonymous

West Islip is team to beat

Bayshore has a pretty good 6th grade team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

West Islip is team to beat

No, the team to beat is Bayside.

What are you basing that Comsewogue statement on. Did your son's team play them? What was the score? And if not what teams has your son's played?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

West Islip is team to beat

No, the team to beat is Bayside.

The Bayside Tigers? I heard that, too. **deleted**is the best fogo the team has ever seen. And if he can get it up to ***deleted**at lefty attack, it's a goal, no doubt. With **Deleted***at LPM, they are definitely a force to be reckoned with; even with **Deleted****in goal.

You had to ruin it in the end!!

No one will know who that is now!

Very nice!

How is 4th grade A competition so far We play B and want yo see difference. Smith town 3v etc.

Lets start posting in the 2015 PAL thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

West Islip is team to beat

No, the team to beat is Bayside.

The Bayside Tigers? I heard that, too. **deleted**is the best fogo the team has ever seen. And if he can get it up to ***deleted**at lefty attack, it's a goal, no doubt. With **Deleted***at LPM, they are definitely a force to be reckoned with; even with **Deleted****in goal.

You had to ruin it in the end!!

That was a reference to the 90's TV show "Saved By The Bell" and their team the Bayside Tigers

How did suffolk pal go today? Any good games in 4th grade?

SCPAL Rules Article 1 Section 1 Paragraph 4:
No player can participate in a scheduled league game unless he/she is on that team�s official roster. A player may appear only on one (1) roster and registered in only one (1) community. All league teams must produce their official roster if requested by an opposing coach or league official.

I am aware of a few teams that broke a few of these rules this weekend by leaving A team players in for the following B games or using older "filler" players. I will be educating every official of this rule and will ask that it is enforced for any game my team plays. Coaches, save your stories and just bring your rosters. I don't want to hear your lame justifications, simply follow the rules.

Happening in Nassau too. Never thought I would see the day towns would cheat to win PAL games. This sport is going down a very sad road. Someone has to step up or baseball is going to start seeing a lot of their players coming back. It's already starting to happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Happening in Nassau too. Never thought I would see the day towns would cheat to win PAL games. This sport is going down a very sad road. Someone has to step up or baseball is going to start seeing a lot of their players coming back. It's already starting to happen.

I believe this is one of those unenforced rules (like most PAL rules, unfortunately). Many towns might have 26 kids on a grade level. Way too much for one team, but a little shy for two. They'll have a rotation of kids that play on both teams so everyone gets equal playing time. It's extremely common and will never be enforced. Either way, if you're bringing a player to play back to back games he should be a detriment by the 2nd game because of exhaustion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did suffolk pal go today? Any good games in 4th grade?

How did Comsewogue, Sayville an Port Jeff do in 4th grade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did suffolk pal go today? Any good games in 4th grade?

How did Comsewogue, Sayville an Port Jeff do in 4th grade?

Sayville played Riverhead and won by a few goals. Riverhead has some quality players and the team is going in the right direction.

Not interested in the pathetic story, how many kids you have or if the players are "exhausted" by playing for multiple teams. It's simple. Play by the rules. Its up to the coaches to enforce the rules. My responsibility is the safety of my players. If you play my team I am asking for your roster. Now you know in advance.

Bellmore-Merrick has a strong team in 4th grade. They are filled with multiple kids who play travel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bellmore-Merrick has a strong team in 4th grade. They are filled with multiple kids who play travel.

Oh, you mean the South Shore Thunder? They cheat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not interested in the pathetic story, how many kids you have or if the players are "exhausted" by playing for multiple teams. It's simple. Play by the rules. Its up to the coaches to enforce the rules. My responsibility is the safety of my players. If you play my team I am asking for your roster. Now you know in advance.

We're not talking about older kids. We're talking about kids in the same grade. You're not concerned about safety then. You're concerned about losing. PAL has never instructed directors to ensure that their coaches have a copy of their roster with them. Furthermore, the rosters don't have pictures anyway. If PAL thought it was a problem, this would have been addressed. I can assure you that you won't get a roster from any team. This isn't football. Teams are not required to meet at midfield and review rosters. The rule is not now, nor has it ever been, enforced. If you play my team, you won't get one. Now you know in advance. If you won't play it will be considered a forfeit and my team will go get ice cream. Your team will go home wondering why their coach wouldn't let them play lacrosse on a beautiful spring day. Maybe your team needs a new coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bellmore-Merrick has a strong team in 4th grade. They are filled with multiple kids who play travel.

Oh, you mean the South Shore Thunder? They cheat.

South Shore Thunder/Igloo/Express.... depends on who's available. And they're decent, but not elite at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Not interested in the pathetic story, how many kids you have or if the players are "exhausted" by playing for multiple teams. It's simple. Play by the rules. Its up to the coaches to enforce the rules. My responsibility is the safety of my players. If you play my team I am asking for your roster. Now you know in advance.

We're not talking about older kids. We're talking about kids in the same grade. You're not concerned about safety then. You're concerned about losing. PAL has never instructed directors to ensure that their coaches have a copy of their roster with them. Furthermore, the rosters don't have pictures anyway. If PAL thought it was a problem, this would have been addressed. I can assure you that you won't get a roster from any team. This isn't football. Teams are not required to meet at midfield and review rosters. The rule is not now, nor has it ever been, enforced. If you play my team, you won't get one. Now you know in advance. If you won't play it will be considered a forfeit and my team will go get ice cream. Your team will go home wondering why their coach wouldn't let them play lacrosse on a beautiful spring day. Maybe your team needs a new coach.

Never seen it happen , but you are absolutely required to have copy of roster with numbers. If you aren't cheating , why so concerned?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bellmore-Merrick has a strong team in 4th grade. They are filled with multiple kids who play travel.

Oh, you mean the South Shore Thunder? They cheat.

South Shore Thunder/Igloo/Express.... depends on who's available. And they're decent, but not elite at all.

whats your beef? nobody even mentioned Igloo or Express - someone didn't make the team????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Not interested in the pathetic story, how many kids you have or if the players are "exhausted" by playing for multiple teams. It's simple. Play by the rules. Its up to the coaches to enforce the rules. My responsibility is the safety of my players. If you play my team I am asking for your roster. Now you know in advance.

We're not talking about older kids. We're talking about kids in the same grade. You're not concerned about safety then. You're concerned about losing. PAL has never instructed directors to ensure that their coaches have a copy of their roster with them. Furthermore, the rosters don't have pictures anyway. If PAL thought it was a problem, this would have been addressed. I can assure you that you won't get a roster from any team. This isn't football. Teams are not required to meet at midfield and review rosters. The rule is not now, nor has it ever been, enforced. If you play my team, you won't get one. Now you know in advance. If you won't play it will be considered a forfeit and my team will go get ice cream. Your team will go home wondering why their coach wouldn't let them play lacrosse on a beautiful spring day. Maybe your team needs a new coach.

Never seen it happen , but you are absolutely required to have copy of roster with numbers. If you aren't cheating , why so concerned?

I don't cheat. Trust me, I don't need to because I can coach. I also don't whine and [lacrosse] when I lose. I've been coaching PAL for my kids on some level for 9 years and never once have I been told to carry a roster by my progam's director or PAL rep. Never once have I been asked to produce a roster by a ref or opposing team's coach or PAL rep. Go ahead and see what happens. I promise you'll be told to pound salt.

I too have coached PAL teams for the last decade and would have no issue producing a roster prior to a game... every coach has the rosters for all the teams for pal at the beginning of the season. I was actually challenged once for a player that borrowed another players jersey from our other PAL team for not being on my roster and playing on both teams. both players were very good. Some coaches really do pore all over those things...paranoia.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Not interested in the pathetic story, how many kids you have or if the players are "exhausted" by playing for multiple teams. It's simple. Play by the rules. Its up to the coaches to enforce the rules. My responsibility is the safety of my players. If you play my team I am asking for your roster. Now you know in advance.

We're not talking about older kids. We're talking about kids in the same grade. You're not concerned about safety then. You're concerned about losing. PAL has never instructed directors to ensure that their coaches have a copy of their roster with them. Furthermore, the rosters don't have pictures anyway. If PAL thought it was a problem, this would have been addressed. I can assure you that you won't get a roster from any team. This isn't football. Teams are not required to meet at midfield and review rosters. The rule is not now, nor has it ever been, enforced. If you play my team, you won't get one. Now you know in advance. If you won't play it will be considered a forfeit and my team will go get ice cream. Your team will go home wondering why their coach wouldn't let them play lacrosse on a beautiful spring day. Maybe your team needs a new coach.

Never seen it happen , but you are absolutely required to have copy of roster with numbers. If you aren't cheating , why so concerned?

I don't cheat. Trust me, I don't need to because I can coach. I also don't whine and [lacrosse] when I lose. I've been coaching PAL for my kids on some level for 9 years and never once have I been told to carry a roster by my progam's director or PAL rep. Never once have I been asked to produce a roster by a ref or opposing team's coach or PAL rep. Go ahead and see what happens. I promise you'll be told to pound salt.

Lighten Up Frances

It's only a matter of time that age requirements and rosters become mandatory for lacrosse - PAL, tournaments, etc. It is done in other sports and lacrosse is just lagging behind. With all the noise about holdbacks and cheating, this is the only way to address the problem. It's going to stink for the holdbacks when they have to start playing with kids a grade ahead but hopefully that will cause people to reconsider doing it in the first place.

It works fine in Football. Lax should follow suit.

I just adjusted my Official PAL Roster. I added 5 kids that I'll take if I'm short. That's how easy it would be to circumvent this rule. Until they go with photo verification, you're going to be boring you wife, and anyone else that will listen, with all of your excuses for losing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Not interested in the pathetic story, how many kids you have or if the players are "exhausted" by playing for multiple teams. It's simple. Play by the rules. Its up to the coaches to enforce the rules. My responsibility is the safety of my players. If you play my team I am asking for your roster. Now you know in advance.

We're not talking about older kids. We're talking about kids in the same grade. You're not concerned about safety then. You're concerned about losing. PAL has never instructed directors to ensure that their coaches have a copy of their roster with them. Furthermore, the rosters don't have pictures anyway. If PAL thought it was a problem, this would have been addressed. I can assure you that you won't get a roster from any team. This isn't football. Teams are not required to meet at midfield and review rosters. The rule is not now, nor has it ever been, enforced. If you play my team, you won't get one. Now you know in advance. If you won't play it will be considered a forfeit and my team will go get ice cream. Your team will go home wondering why their coach wouldn't let them play lacrosse on a beautiful spring day. Maybe your team needs a new coach.

Never seen it happen , but you are absolutely required to have copy of roster with numbers. If you aren't cheating , why so concerned?

I don't cheat. Trust me, I don't need to because I can coach. I also don't whine and [lacrosse] when I lose. I've been coaching PAL for my kids on some level for 9 years and never once have I been told to carry a roster by my progam's director or PAL rep. Never once have I been asked to produce a roster by a ref or opposing team's coach or PAL rep. Go ahead and see what happens. I promise you'll be told to pound salt.

Then your director and PAL rep don't know the rules. PAL definitely tells the directors that all coaches are supposed to have a copy of their roster, and the rules (which also say to have the roster), at every game. If you're such a great coach, it would help if you actually read the rule book. Based on your posts, you sound like a mediocre coach, who doesn't know the rules!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bellmore-Merrick has a strong team in 4th grade. They are filled with multiple kids who play travel.

Oh, you mean the South Shore Thunder? They cheat.

South Shore Thunder/Igloo/Express.... depends on who's available. And they're decent, but not elite at all.

whats your beef? nobody even mentioned Igloo or Express - someone didn't make the team????

No, my kid made a better team. I was saying that depending on the tournament, South Shore Thunder plays kids from Igloo and Badgers as long as they are not playing with their other teams. At Shamrock they had 3 HB's and more than a few Igloo, for example.

Where do these extra players come from if they are in the same grade?
Let me guess... You have A team players filling in on the B or C teams. Your lacrosse director should take the time to tell you the rules or actually read the rulebook.

SC PAL does think it is a problem and has been trying to create a new rule mimicking football. But your director keeps voting it down.

Great, looking forward to seeing it. Remember it must be filed with SCPAL and can not have players from other rosters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great, looking forward to seeing it. Remember it must be filed with SCPAL and can not have players from other rosters.

Don't be ridiculous. Certain A players are on the bottom of the spectrum and should be allowed to play on the b team (when available) and so on.

The top half of players should not play a level down but the bottom half of a roster (talent wise - we all have them) should be able to play a level down as long as on age.

Playing makes the kids better.

Having kids from an A team roster play with your B or C team is cheating. There is no ambiguity as to who is on the bottom of the spectrum.

I'm a former sachem youth lacrosse player form years back. I coach my son's PAL team in another town. Can someone please tell me what happened to their youth lacrosse program? I understand some of the teams are doing well but as a whole I heard that most of their teams are dreadful. I didn't believe it until after one of my son's games I stuck around for the next game in which a sachem team was playing. I believe it was one of their older teams. And the opposing team put up double digit goals to the tune of I think sachem's 2. As a former sachem youth athlete it was difficult for me to watch. My son is only 7 and im new to the PAL lacrosse community as a coach.....can someone that's familiar with their situation tell me what's happened over there.

This is a pathetic argument. This is PAL. Form the team and play the team. Everyone should play and have fun. This isn't a level about winning and losing. If you are such a great coach, go coach at igloo, express or 91. Dominate and do whatever you want with your roster. Be the hero you think you are. Then you can spend a few months in the spring with the kids in your sons school and teach them to play. If your so great you shouldnt be short of players. You would have 18 or so and would be able to play short on a given weekend. Unless being undefeated is your thing. In which case you probably are bringing in ringers. You are also the jack&&& who sand bags during the seeding meetings.
You can tell the other coach to pound salt for following rules that you are admitting to breaking while you crow about what a great coach you are, but you are the PROBLEM with PAL

You are wrong. Bringing players down is just wrong. Up, no problem. NOT down. You are probably why our towns B team gets shellacked week in and week out vs. supposed D3 teams...

What is worse his that he does not see anything wrong with it and can completely justfiy it in his mind. "Certain A players should be allowed to play on a B team" or "should be allowed to play down"...wth? "Playing makes kids better" is probably referring to his kid and their friends who he decides will get to play on all of the A, B, C and D teams. Hopefully the PAL board members can read.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where do these extra players come from if they are in the same grade?
Let me guess... You have A team players filling in on the B or C teams. Your lacrosse director should take the time to tell you the rules or actually read the rulebook.

SC PAL does think it is a problem and has been trying to create a new rule mimicking football. But your director keeps voting it down.

Wrong again, Captain Presumpuous. I coach the top team. When I need kids because of communions, confirmations, etc... I bring in boys from the 2nd team to fill. And unless the red are carrying around copies of every team's official "filed" roster, no one will know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is worse his that he does not see anything wrong with it and can completely justfiy it in his mind. "Certain A players should be allowed to play on a B team" or "should be allowed to play down"...wth? "Playing makes kids better" is probably referring to his kid and their friends who he decides will get to play on all of the A, B, C and D teams. Hopefully the PAL board members can read.

Easy guy. You're calling out several posters. It's not just one guy posting these. No, I see no problem with bringing kids up to play in my team if I'm short. If the alternative is one team of 28 players, I'd rather have two teams of 14 and risk being short. I agree with the poster that playing makes kids better.

So what if the number of kids in a grade is 23, 8 "A" players, 8 "B"players, and 7 "C/ new" players? Where do you put the team? PAL Rule states all teams 3rd grade and above must have 15 players to be eligible so there can only be 1 team. Do you play at the B level and have kids playing up and down in divisions or do you have all kids play at the A level and hope B-/C kids make it through the season. 2 teams would be ideal but it does not work when games are scheduled around the same times. If they are in the same grade, does an "A" player playing in the "B" division make the team a bunch of sandbaggers?

It is cheating. Justify it however you like. But do it against the wrong town and someone will complain. SCPAL lacrosse is getting smaller and smaller.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is worse his that he does not see anything wrong with it and can completely justfiy it in his mind. "Certain A players should be allowed to play on a B team" or "should be allowed to play down"...wth? "Playing makes kids better" is probably referring to his kid and their friends who he decides will get to play on all of the A, B, C and D teams. Hopefully the PAL board members can read.

What is wrong is you don't see that teams have players on an A team that don't belong because they need numbers. Skill and ability are a relative factors. An A player in one town may be a B player in another. That should be the only thing you are arguing.

No my son never played down always up in age. But I did promote the bottom have of my team to play for the B team. Sometimes it was friends of my son. But only players who belonged skill wise.

I can see how you think many would do this for a winning advantage not me. I did it for the growth of the game and the players development.

anybody with some info on that sachem topic?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what if the number of kids in a grade is 23, 8 "A" players, 8 "B"players, and 7 "C/ new" players? Where do you put the team? PAL Rule states all teams 3rd grade and above must have 15 players to be eligible so there can only be 1 team. Do you play at the B level and have kids playing up and down in divisions or do you have all kids play at the A level and hope B-/C kids make it through the season. 2 teams would be ideal but it does not work when games are scheduled around the same times. If they are in the same grade, does an "A" player playing in the "B" division make the team a bunch of sandbaggers?

Make an honest evaluation of your TEAM, not the individual players on it, and pick the division that you think fits best. Do what is best for the kids - challenge them to help them improve without putting them in a position where they can't compete. If it turns out you were wrong, make the appropriate adjustment up or down the following year. This is not life or death stuff - just use common sense.

Coaches from sachem east 2021 are lunatics. poor representation for a good program

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what if the number of kids in a grade is 23, 8 "A" players, 8 "B"players, and 7 "C/ new" players? Where do you put the team? PAL Rule states all teams 3rd grade and above must have 15 players to be eligible so there can only be 1 team. Do you play at the B level and have kids playing up and down in divisions or do you have all kids play at the A level and hope B-/C kids make it through the season. 2 teams would be ideal but it does not work when games are scheduled around the same times. If they are in the same grade, does an "A" player playing in the "B" division make the team a bunch of sandbaggers?

Make an honest evaluation of your TEAM, not the individual players on it, and pick the division that you think fits best. Do what is best for the kids - challenge them to help them improve without putting them in a position where they can't compete. If it turns out you were wrong, make the appropriate adjustment up or down the following year. This is not life or death stuff - just use common sense.

Bringing kids up from a lower division to fill in for kids in a higher division is fine. And by the way, You would put a team having 10 "A" kids and 6 "B" kids in the A division to see how they do?? Clearly you've never played any of the teams in the A division. Unless your whole team is solid you will be crucified every game. And while I agree that it's not all about winning, it IS about keeping kids interested in the sport and keeping the numbers up so you don't have 25 kids on one team. Getting killed week in and week out sucks. From a player, coach and parent perspective.

So, again, if I'm short players, I'm grabbing them from the second team. No one will say jack. Even if a team grabs players from the first team, you can't coach your team to isolate one or two players? They can only score 4 goals each.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anybody with some info on that sachem topic?

My guess is too much squabbling between SYAG and Sachem. Also, kids are spread out over 5 teams. Instead of making teams competitive (A, B, C, D, E) they mix them so that they are all very weak. It's unfortunate. They should be a powerhouse youth program but they're not even remotely there.

And yes, some of the coaches are absolute trash.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what if the number of kids in a grade is 23, 8 "A" players, 8 "B"players, and 7 "C/ new" players? Where do you put the team? PAL Rule states all teams 3rd grade and above must have 15 players to be eligible so there can only be 1 team. Do you play at the B level and have kids playing up and down in divisions or do you have all kids play at the A level and hope B-/C kids make it through the season. 2 teams would be ideal but it does not work when games are scheduled around the same times. If they are in the same grade, does an "A" player playing in the "B" division make the team a bunch of sandbaggers?

Make an honest evaluation of your TEAM, not the individual players on it, and pick the division that you think fits best. Do what is best for the kids - challenge them to help them improve without putting them in a position where they can't compete. If it turns out you were wrong, make the appropriate adjustment up or down the following year. This is not life or death stuff - just use common sense.

Bringing kids up from a lower division to fill in for kids in a higher division is fine. And by the way, You would put a team having 10 "A" kids and 6 "B" kids in the A division to see how they do?? Clearly you've never played any of the teams in the A division. Unless your whole team is solid you will be crucified every game. And while I agree that it's not all about winning, it IS about keeping kids interested in the sport and keeping the numbers up so you don't have 25 kids on one team. Getting killed week in and week out sucks. From a player, coach and parent perspective.

So, again, if I'm short players, I'm grabbing them from the second team. No one will say jack. Even if a team grabs players from the first team, you can't coach your team to isolate one or two players? They can only score 4 goals each.

I am confused by your post.

In my experience, many of the A teams only have about 10 A players. The rest are really B (and some c)players. Am I crazy for thinking this.

For towns with 2 teams the A team is usually the A players with the better B players. The 2nd team is the B players with no political connections and the c players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anybody with some info on that sachem topic?

My guess is too much squabbling between SYAG and Sachem. Also, kids are spread out over 5 teams. Instead of making teams competitive (A, B, C, D, E) they mix them so that they are all very weak. It's unfortunate. They should be a powerhouse youth program but they're not even remotely there.

And yes, some of the coaches are absolute trash.

Correct, there are two youth lax programs in Sachem that drown out the talent pool, SSC and SYAG. My guess is that it's the only town/district that has two youth programs competing against each other.

Sachem has the talent to compete but because of the two different organizations SSC and SYAG and then compound the problem by having SSC split teams at k1 level into East and North by which high school they will go to. If SSC followed the Smithtown model and split kids by ability and not worry which high school they were going to until 7th grade. Sachem lacrosse ends up developing less kids because of the way they are split at the youth level. The time has come to stop the nonsense and first and foremost form One Youth Organization, Sachem Youth Lacrosse. Then take the 60-70 kids at each age group and form teams of players with like ability. This will enable more players to be evolved in the game because they are playing at the appropriate level, therefore develop more players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anybody with some info on that sachem topic?

My guess is too much squabbling between SYAG and Sachem. Also, kids are spread out over 5 teams. Instead of making teams competitive (A, B, C, D, E) they mix them so that they are all very weak. It's unfortunate. They should be a powerhouse youth program but they're not even remotely there.

And yes, some of the coaches are absolute trash.

Correct, there are two youth lax programs in Sachem that drown out the talent pool, SSC and SYAG. My guess is that it's the only town/district that has two youth programs competing against each other.

And Sachem also splits the teams into North and East at a much younger age now as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what if the number of kids in a grade is 23, 8 "A" players, 8 "B"players, and 7 "C/ new" players? Where do you put the team? PAL Rule states all teams 3rd grade and above must have 15 players to be eligible so there can only be 1 team. Do you play at the B level and have kids playing up and down in divisions or do you have all kids play at the A level and hope B-/C kids make it through the season. 2 teams would be ideal but it does not work when games are scheduled around the same times. If they are in the same grade, does an "A" player playing in the "B" division make the team a bunch of sandbaggers?

Make an honest evaluation of your TEAM, not the individual players on it, and pick the division that you think fits best. Do what is best for the kids - challenge them to help them improve without putting them in a position where they can't compete. If it turns out you were wrong, make the appropriate adjustment up or down the following year. This is not life or death stuff - just use common sense.

Bringing kids up from a lower division to fill in for kids in a higher division is fine. And by the way, You would put a team having 10 "A" kids and 6 "B" kids in the A division to see how they do?? Clearly you've never played any of the teams in the A division. Unless your whole team is solid you will be crucified every game. And while I agree that it's not all about winning, it IS about keeping kids interested in the sport and keeping the numbers up so you don't have 25 kids on one team. Getting killed week in and week out sucks. From a player, coach and parent perspective.

So, again, if I'm short players, I'm grabbing them from the second team. No one will say jack. Even if a team grabs players from the first team, you can't coach your team to isolate one or two players? They can only score 4 goals each.

I am confused by your post.

In my experience, many of the A teams only have about 10 A players. The rest are really B (and some c)players. Am I crazy for thinking this.

For towns with 2 teams the A team is usually the A players with the better B players. The 2nd team is the B players with no political connections and the c players

The A teams that I've played have no weaknesses. They are strong line to line.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what if the number of kids in a grade is 23, 8 "A" players, 8 "B"players, and 7 "C/ new" players? Where do you put the team? PAL Rule states all teams 3rd grade and above must have 15 players to be eligible so there can only be 1 team. Do you play at the B level and have kids playing up and down in divisions or do you have all kids play at the A level and hope B-/C kids make it through the season. 2 teams would be ideal but it does not work when games are scheduled around the same times. If they are in the same grade, does an "A" player playing in the "B" division make the team a bunch of sandbaggers?

Make an honest evaluation of your TEAM, not the individual players on it, and pick the division that you think fits best. Do what is best for the kids - challenge them to help them improve without putting them in a position where they can't compete. If it turns out you were wrong, make the appropriate adjustment up or down the following year. This is not life or death stuff - just use common sense.

Bringing kids up from a lower division to fill in for kids in a higher division is fine. And by the way, You would put a team having 10 "A" kids and 6 "B" kids in the A division to see how they do?? Clearly you've never played any of the teams in the A division. Unless your whole team is solid you will be crucified every game. And while I agree that it's not all about winning, it IS about keeping kids interested in the sport and keeping the numbers up so you don't have 25 kids on one team. Getting killed week in and week out sucks. From a player, coach and parent perspective.

So, again, if I'm short players, I'm grabbing them from the second team. No one will say jack. Even if a team grabs players from the first team, you can't coach your team to isolate one or two players? They can only score 4 goals each.

I am confused by your post.

In my experience, many of the A teams only have about 10 A players. The rest are really B (and some c)players. Am I crazy for thinking this.

For towns with 2 teams the A team is usually the A players with the better B players. The 2nd team is the B players with no political connections and the c players

The A teams that I've played have no weaknesses. They are strong line to line.

No weakness? Come on. The best kid and the 24th would be a big gap. That's why you change out bottom 4 or 5 yearly.

No weakness on a town PAL A team? Hard to believe. This is PAL thread not a club team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No weakness on a town PAL A team? Hard to believe. This is PAL thread not a club team.

There are some town teams that could beat club teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anybody with some info on that sachem topic?

My guess is too much squabbling between SYAG and Sachem. Also, kids are spread out over 5 teams. Instead of making teams competitive (A, B, C, D, E) they mix them so that they are all very weak. It's unfortunate. They should be a powerhouse youth program but they're not even remotely there.

And yes, some of the coaches are absolute trash.

Correct, there are two youth lax programs in Sachem that drown out the talent pool, SSC and SYAG. My guess is that it's the only town/district that has two youth programs competing against each other.

And Sachem also splits the teams into North and East at a much younger age now as well.

The landscape of town/rec lacrosse has changed. Town programs are more and more being run like clubs and those towns that have adopted this have developed kids at quicker rate.

Best statement of the year. sounds like that's what they need to do. probably a lot of dopes running the program who's kids are the best on their teams and that's all they care about

You hit the nail right on the head! Both leagues being run now by 2 dopes absolutely ruining the Sachem lacrosse programs. There are "cliques" at every grade level on every team that are catered to by "the powers that be", if you're "in" you coach and give preferential treatment to the sons of the other parents in the clique, many of the coaches have little to no lax experience and it is showing on the field come game day. High school coaches are aware of the problems in the youth leagues and are now trying to get a summer youth program started for the kids. We'll just have to wait and see what happens with that.

Massapequa has the same problem, one guy destroying 2 age groups.. And the board of directors do nothing, shame on them.

Who won GC vs CSH?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won GC vs CSH?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won GC vs CSH?

CSH

any good 2021 PAL games today? how did pat med do? how about shoreham? I have friends whos kids are on both teams.

Score?

yes. how did both of those teams do today in their respective games? what was the score? of pat meds game and shoreham? in the 2021 division

Shoreham over rocky point 13-5 , both teams had small roster , swr still with suspensions , rocky point with 1 sub, Shoreham 3 subs , rocky point had a good Fogo. great sportsmanship between both teams Unlike 2 weeks ago playing Smithtown .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any good 2021 PAL games today? how did pat med do? how about shoreham? I have friends whos kids are on both teams.

wow thanks for that? Yeah I've seen it a few times so far in this age group. boys are starting to get a little chippy at this age I assume

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes. how did both of those teams do today in their respective games? what was the score? of pat meds game and shoreham? in the 2021 division

ESM vs Sachem East in 2021 division today. Game ended in tie with ESM scoring tying goal with seconds left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wow thanks for that? Yeah I've seen it a few times so far in this age group. boys are starting to get a little chippy at this age I assume

Puberty kicking in I guess....LOL

How'd it go with 4th grade today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any good 2021 PAL games today? how did pat med do? how about shoreham? I have friends whos kids are on both teams.

Why don't you ask your friends?

couldn't get a hold of them genious

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How'd it go with 4th grade today?

Port Jeff played Sayville. We lost 7-1.

Smithtown played rp last weekend which was very competitive with a final score of 5-3 , they must have been missing a few of their better players to lose by that much of a margin to swr.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shoreham over rocky point 13-5 , both teams had small roster , swr still with suspensions , rocky point with 1 sub, Shoreham 3 subs , rocky point had a good Fogo. great sportsmanship between both teams Unlike 2 weeks ago playing Smithtown .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any good 2021 PAL games today? how did pat med do? how about shoreham? I have friends whos kids are on both teams.

see now that's a goof game. last second goal

good game I mean

Please explain comment ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

see now that's a goof game. last second goal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please explain comment ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

see now that's a goof game. last second goal

I'm thinking it was a typo....goof = good.

Who are the top 2021 teams?

Yeah sorry about that. hands are too big for the phone lol

in PAL? probably smithtown shoreham csh garden city northport bay shore and maybe Sachem. not too sure about the last three but they're usually competitive

Manhassett, Franklin Square, Smithtown, CSH the best in 2021 in no particular order...

Someone besides the money grabbing DLM organization (preferably a town organization) should set up a battle of the long island towns tournament possibly a couple of Suffolk County town and a couple of Nassau County town directors get together and plan an event at a district somewhere on the island who can field a large enough crowd , all proceeds goto event organizing Cost and the rest to a children's charity of some sort .

that's a good group starting with manhassett

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone besides the money grabbing DLM organization (preferably a town organization) should set up a battle of the long island towns tournament possibly a couple of Suffolk County town and a couple of Nassau County town directors get together and plan an event at a district somewhere on the island who can field a large enough crowd , all proceeds goto event organizing Cost and the rest to a children's charity of some sort .

You're missing the point of PAL. It is, an always was about having a place for kids to play and develop. Some towns take it WAY too serious. If you want your son to compete for Championships there are so many options out there. Not saying PAL shouldn't be competitive, but it should stay true to it's developmental roots. It should be inclusive, and it should provide an atmosphere that provides the average player an opportunity to grow. And before you cast dispersions, my kids are older. One playing in college, another on Varsity as a freshman. Point is, PAL gave them a place to learn the game, despite the nut jobs that wanted to have A teams in 3rd grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone besides the money grabbing DLM organization (preferably a town organization) should set up a battle of the long island towns tournament possibly a couple of Suffolk County town and a couple of Nassau County town directors get together and plan an event at a district somewhere on the island who can field a large enough crowd , all proceeds goto event organizing Cost and the rest to a children's charity of some sort .

You're missing the point of PAL. It is, an always was about having a place for kids to play and develop. Some towns take it WAY too serious. If you want your son to compete for Championships there are so many options out there. Not saying PAL shouldn't be competitive, but it should stay true to it's developmental roots. It should be inclusive, and it should provide an atmosphere that provides the average player an opportunity to grow. And before you cast dispersions, my kids are older. One playing in college, another on Varsity as a freshman. Point is, PAL gave them a place to learn the game, despite the nut jobs that wanted to have A teams in 3rd grade.

I agree. No A teams till 4th grade

Although you are correct in having a place for a kid to develop and yes there are many other options out there but also keep in mind as many of these conversations are one way streets for the non skilled kids parents who feel left out and create Kaos that separation of teams is wrong and unfair , Yes you have kids who are above and beyond the basic skills , lets keep in mind many towns have created separate brackets to handle this GAP Span in skillset , and before everyone starts to bash this comment of keeping all teams together as one VS separation , you answer this question ? is it fair for that kid who is just learning and developing basic skill sets to be in the mix with a kid who goes to clinics year round , plays travel , and has advanced a lot quicker only to mingle the two together causing bad habits for the kid who takes it serious VS discouraging the kid who will get the wrong message while developing because he still is in his learning phase? its a catch 22 with this topic , people get caught up in the competitive aspect with their own TOWN program and guess what ?? there is nothing wrong with it ! explain the fairness for both sides of the fence that kids should all be on one team? It starts with the PAL programs themselves , if they did not create brackets , maybe you would not have this issue of staying " TRUE to its developmental roots"
There is nothing wrong with taking the competitive team if at all any from each district to play for a championship. A life lesson for some kids on a different level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone besides the money grabbing DLM organization (preferably a town organization) should set up a battle of the long island towns tournament possibly a couple of Suffolk County town and a couple of Nassau County town directors get together and plan an event at a district somewhere on the island who can field a large enough crowd , all proceeds goto event organizing Cost and the rest to a children's charity of some sort .

You're missing the point of PAL. It is, an always was about having a place for kids to play and develop. Some towns take it WAY too serious. If you want your son to compete for Championships there are so many options out there. Not saying PAL shouldn't be competitive, but it should stay true to it's developmental roots. It should be inclusive, and it should provide an atmosphere that provides the average player an opportunity to grow. And before you cast dispersions, my kids are older. One playing in college, another on Varsity as a freshman. Point is, PAL gave them a place to learn the game, despite the nut jobs that wanted to have A teams in 3rd grade.

sachem north 2021 tough team. great in transistion. don't think they've lost yet. goalie is like a cat.

Sachem North 2021 is such a tough team that they play PAL in the C division? Get a grip goalies Dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sachem North 2021 is such a tough team that they play PAL in the C division? Get a grip goalies Dad.

I'm thinking it was the goalie.
LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

sachem north 2021 tough team. great in transistion. don't think they've lost yet. goalie is like a cat.

Pretty sure they lost to Rocky Point. Don't hold me to it though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

sachem north 2021 tough team. great in transistion. don't think they've lost yet. goalie is like a cat.

How do thy measure up to Smithtown's or Bay Shore's top teams?

They never played Rocky Point,Smithtown Blue, or Bayshore. The team is in the "B" division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

sachem north 2021 tough team. great in transistion. don't think they've lost yet. goalie is like a cat.

How do thy measure up to Smithtown's or Bay Shore's top teams?

not sure if they've played them yet. I didn't say they were unbeatable or anything I just said they were very good and I don't think they've lost yet. that's all. those other programs you mentioned are very good as well

Between those three is it a toss up each time they play? have they played this season. Is there a difference between PAL and their travel teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They never played Rocky Point,Smithtown Blue, or Bayshore. The team is in the "B" division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

sachem north 2021 tough team. great in transistion. don't think they've lost yet. goalie is like a cat.

How do thy measure up to Smithtown's or Bay Shore's top teams?

They are playing the "B" division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

not sure if they've played them yet. I didn't say they were unbeatable or anything I just said they were very good and I don't think they've lost yet. that's all. those other programs you mentioned are very good as well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does any one have the Suffolk PAL schedule. If so can you please post.
-thanks

http://suffolkpal.usl.la

New Suffolk PAL website no longer up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does any one have the Suffolk PAL schedule. If so can you please post.
-thanks

http://suffolkpal.usl.la

New Suffolk PAL website no longer up.

It has been down for about a month now which is a shame.

Good the see the new regime has it together... Is it really so hard to keep a website up. Just merge us with Nassau PAL now as I believe Suffolk county PAL Lacrosse will cease to be in the next 2 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good the see the new regime has it together... Is it really so hard to keep a website up. Just merge us with Nassau PAL now as I believe Suffolk county PAL Lacrosse will cease to be in the next 2 years.

Agreed.
First they need to do is have some sort of playoff or at the very least, division standings. The 8 games during the season seem to be nothing more than a scrimmage.
Have the kids check in like they do for PAL football.
And fix the website....it's 2015, for crying out loud!!

I think a Nassau/Suffolk inventional Jamboree to end the season for both boys and girls would be pretty cool.

Nassau and Suffolk would send two or three teams from A,B,C divisions for a championship format tournament.

Maybe a midweek game or Sunday double header during the season to keep the season the same length.

PAL football has a champion

they play from what I understand. and I was just making an observation. sorry to offend you and your son's team being the greatest on long island. no one's better than them let me know who they r so I can come watch. just let me know when the third line goes in so I can watch your son

The problem with PAL town teams is that the same people coach all the same teams. There should be a rule that if you HC Football you shouldn't be able to HC Lacrosse, etc. There is way to much favoritism because of this, you get dads who favor their sons and don't see the truth behind their sons ability to play. All this creates is angry parents and a lot of bickering on the sidelines. When you allow one or a small group to coach everything you eventually create a scenario which is not fair to all the kids. What is needed at this level is a Coach who sees past his own kid and opens up the opportunity to everyone. Do the numbers, the participation numbers for PAL is dwindling because of this happening. Its happening in my town and some of the towns around us, what these coaches don't see is what's going on when parents on the sideline all agree on this and the actions they are going to take. This is not a whining outcry, this is something that is building quickly and with a negative outcome for the programs and more importantly the kids. Why have your son or daughter join a team that they will never get a fair shake on? Limit the teams a person can coach and you limit the favoritism, simple fix.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem with PAL town teams is that the same people coach all the same teams. There should be a rule that if you HC Football you shouldn't be able to HC Lacrosse, etc. There is way to much favoritism because of this, you get dads who favor their sons and don't see the truth behind their sons ability to play. All this creates is angry parents and a lot of bickering on the sidelines. When you allow one or a small group to coach everything you eventually create a scenario which is not fair to all the kids. What is needed at this level is a Coach who sees past his own kid and opens up the opportunity to everyone. Do the numbers, the participation numbers for PAL is dwindling because of this happening. Its happening in my town and some of the towns around us, what these coaches don't see is what's going on when parents on the sideline all agree on this and the actions they are going to take. This is not a whining outcry, this is something that is building quickly and with a negative outcome for the programs and more importantly the kids. Why have your son or daughter join a team that they will never get a fair shake on? Limit the teams a person can coach and you limit the favoritism, simple fix.

Limiting volunteers is a tough sell. Not saying there isn't favoritism but telling someone they can't coach football because they also are willing to coach lacrosse is kind of crazy. IMHO

That's true of every town. I have yet to see a town Dad coach be objective.

I agree with this. A dad coaches a team and puts his son in spots he doesn't belong. EVERYBODY sees it and talks about it but the coach just refuses too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem with PAL town teams is that the same people coach all the same teams. There should be a rule that if you HC Football you shouldn't be able to HC Lacrosse, etc. There is way to much favoritism because of this, you get dads who favor their sons and don't see the truth behind their sons ability to play. All this creates is angry parents and a lot of bickering on the sidelines. When you allow one or a small group to coach everything you eventually create a scenario which is not fair to all the kids. What is needed at this level is a Coach who sees past his own kid and opens up the opportunity to everyone. Do the numbers, the participation numbers for PAL is dwindling because of this happening. Its happening in my town and some of the towns around us, what these coaches don't see is what's going on when parents on the sideline all agree on this and the actions they are going to take. This is not a whining outcry, this is something that is building quickly and with a negative outcome for the programs and more importantly the kids. Why have your son or daughter join a team that they will never get a fair shake on? Limit the teams a person can coach and you limit the favoritism, simple fix.

I agree with this. A dad coaches a team and puts his son in spots he doesn't belong. EVERYBODY sees it and talks about it but the coach just refuses too. Oblivious to the point where you feel embarrassed for them.Solution is to let your son earn what he deserves in the sports he decides to play. Problem with todays youth sports is to many parents telling you where their son belongs instead of just letting them go out there and fight for it. Very sad

How about this... If you do not like what the coach is doing instead of talking to the wives like little girls, step up and volunteer yourself. No coach will turn away more help. And since you obviously have so much knowledge to offer...

Rocky Point played East not north and they beat the [lacrosse] out of us not once but twice in one day, I would also go out on a limb and say they would beat up north just the same way they did us. They have a really good roster with crush and bandit brothers on team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

sachem north 2021 tough team. great in transistion. don't think they've lost yet. goalie is like a cat.

Pretty sure they lost to Rocky Point. Don't hold me to it though.

yes!!! finally!!!! a coach speaks out!!! amen to that!!! as a coach as well I am so tired of the smug remarks from the stands and the bleacher coaches.....many who have never picked a stick up in their lives. tired of the whining and hiding behind e-mails. even when you're team is undefeated, there's no pleasing half of these parents. even when every single kid on the team has played as much as u can play them in each game, there's still no pleasing. I had a parent believe it or not who's is still learning the game and is trying his hardest, tell me it's not fair that when my son gets in the game no one passes to him. They need to pass to him and be fair. word for word this was said to me and my staff. mind u the father never picked up so much as a wiffle ball bat in his life let alone a lacrosse stick. this was said coming off a big win. this has been a great season for us. the boys are enjoying being undefeated. and to have a parent/bleacher coach tell me that after a game where all the boys come off the field smiling blows my mind. I know as a coach I'm not speaking alone. please parents seriously, root for the team. support the kids and the coaches. things may not always go your way. if your son isn't playing as much as other boys due to his skills or from being new to the game....he has to work a little harder. and as a thirty year lax player and coach I can certainly tell u it's at home where your son will get better with his stick and throwing cradling catching and scooping ground balls. practicing with the team twice a week is not going to make him a better lacrosse player. we as coaches will only fine tune what he does on his own. so parents please don't complain or make negative comments if your son is not playing much or no one is passing to him. ask yourself before you bash the coaches who volunteer their time, is my son practicing on his own? or am I just whining in the stands. be fair before u start to bash the coaching staff.

north 2021 is in the B division. Rocky point is in A. you're probably talking about sachem east 2021 who doesn't belong in the A division. They played Rocky point. and lost. They have yet to win a game. train wreck

agreed Rocky point is very good and could probably beat both sachem teams

A coach'd life is damned and usually at the detriment to his own child if he has a kid on the team. It's a no win situation and probably not worth it. What would you do if your son's existing coaching staff just up and quit? Would just whine and post on this page how your organization is required to provide a you a coach? Or would you step up and coach yourself?

Youth town team parents are the worst with their whining on the sidelines , they at times become a cancer and spread disease to other parents , and blame everything on the coach ! it's the coaches fault That their child can't catch, throw, or yes even run. It's the coaches fault because he should have told their child where the mid-line was even though the kid has been playing for 5 years . I love when parents come to the coach and dictate on how things should be done with the team, or what kids should be taken from the other team On to their team. Most coaches go above and beyond the duty of basic coaching but still are ridiculed because many parents feel this is what they paid for in town ball (all of $100.00 ,,,wow so high priced gonna get my money's worth!!). , try paying travel prices Then go and complain
Let's face it if your kid lacks the skill set, chances are it's not the coaches fault that little Johnny doesn't practice on his own.
If you want to go further, after 6th grade comes middle school , kids will be sifted out by the time jv comes along.
Are the parents going to continue to blame the coaches then??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes!!! finally!!!! a coach speaks out!!! amen to that!!! as a coach as well I am so tired of the smug remarks from the stands and the bleacher coaches.....many who have never picked a stick up in their lives. tired of the whining and hiding behind e-mails. even when you're team is undefeated, there's no pleasing half of these parents. even when every single kid on the team has played as much as u can play them in each game, there's still no pleasing. I had a parent believe it or not who's is still learning the game and is trying his hardest, tell me it's not fair that when my son gets in the game no one passes to him. They need to pass to him and be fair. word for word this was said to me and my staff. mind u the father never picked up so much as a wiffle ball bat in his life let alone a lacrosse stick. this was said coming off a big win. this has been a great season for us. the boys are enjoying being undefeated. and to have a parent/bleacher coach tell me that after a game where all the boys come off the field smiling blows my mind. I know as a coach I'm not speaking alone. please parents seriously, root for the team. support the kids and the coaches. things may not always go your way. if your son isn't playing as much as other boys due to his skills or from being new to the game....he has to work a little harder. and as a thirty year lax player and coach I can certainly tell u it's at home where your son will get better with his stick and throwing cradling catching and scooping ground balls. practicing with the team twice a week is not going to make him a better lacrosse player. we as coaches will only fine tune what he does on his own. so parents please don't complain or make negative comments if your son is not playing much or no one is passing to him. ask yourself before you bash the coaches who volunteer their time, is my son practicing on his own? or am I just whining in the stands. be fair before u start to bash the coaching staff.

Rocky Point team lost by a close margin to team smithown without those three crush/bandit brothers so I would say they are more then very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

agreed Rocky point is very good and could probably beat both sachem teams

Spoken like a true town coach. We have four town coaches and not one of them have ever played the sport. They don't know how to teach. And the coaches from our town that actually played the game think they don't have to teach. They just show up and look out for their own kid.

coaching staff quit!? Where'd that happen!? I've never heard such a thing that's crazy. quit on kids? in a game or practice

spoken like a parent who's kid sent know where the mid line is

Should the town coach ignore his own kid? Im my experience they are usually harder on their own kids. If you have problem with a coach who you feel is under qualified or uninterested in working with your kid, volunteer to help or go shop at the team store.

Son, we live in a world that has lacrosse and these kids have to be taught it. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for your third line middie and you curse the team. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That the middies benching, while tragic, probably scored goals. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins games. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like cut, pass, slide. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent coaching. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very victories that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a stick, and help my practice. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Arrogant, huh?

Guess what, PAL is supposed to be about development, not wins. Little Johnny just wants to touch the ball. Is that unreasonable? Last I checked, they aren't crowning champions in 4th grade.

Get a grip, coach. You are making the rest of us look bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son, we live in a world that has lacrosse and these kids have to be taught it. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for your third line middie and you curse the team. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That the middies benching, while tragic, probably scored goals. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins games. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like cut, pass, slide. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent coaching. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very victories that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a stick, and help my practice. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

I love it. well said again as a coach keep defending the time we take away from our own families to teach kids how to play lacrosse

That wasn't even a little funny.

Wow, thought this stuff was only going on in our town program. Lost coach of a very good team in our town due to a few whiny parents this year. Claim they are "just looking out for the kids", Yeah their own kids. They bad mouth the other kids on sidelines, unknowingly in front of their parents and make them feel uncomfortable and not welcome. Half the boys on the team did not return because of this and team is now a joke. Hopefully they all return next year.

I have coached almost every youth sport. I live in a very competitive big town, I can honestly tell you most guys coach to make sure their kid stays on the field, I hate the guy so much this will be my first kid I send to a Catholic school,

how about guys without kids who coach? you ever think of them?

little Johnny can touch the ball.....on a developmental C division team. why is it so difficult for some of u parents to grasp. HE HAS TO PRACTICE AT HOME WITH HIS STICK EVERY DAY!!!!!!! THAT'S HOW HE BECOMES BETTER!!!!! wait till they get to school. when the coach sees they can't throw or catch. there's nothing to talk about. They just don't play. mommy can't send emails or cry about inclusion. that's all ovet

sure it was

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son, we live in a world that has lacrosse and these kids have to be taught it. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for your third line middie and you curse the team. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That the middies benching, while tragic, probably scored goals. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins games. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like cut, pass, slide. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent coaching. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very victories that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a stick, and help my practice. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Absolutely brilliant. All complaints about coaches on this and other forums can be easily remedied. Raise your hand and volunteer. All you need is a pulse and the ability to pass a background check (might be a tall order for some). If you feel like you don't know the game well enough to be a head coach, then be someone's assistant for year or two and learn from them. Then come back to this forum and explain how difficult it is to teach kids and win a few games, while simultaneously managing the egos of their entire extended families. Good luck, and see you on the sidelines

There aren't enough coaches like that, ones that don't have a kid on the team. Those guys are usually the best bc they don't have a horse in the race and are much more objective. We need more of those coaches in youth sports.

I Tend To disagree. Not that it does not happen but the majority do it because either they have the lax knowledge or just know how to work with kids and motivate , the ones bashing have neither , but have plenty of assumptions and picking daisy experience .
People make these types of assumptions when their kid lacks period !. The ones who get playtime and work with their kid at home are not spewing the vomit on the sidelines.

Yes their are bad coaches no argument wit that !
But if another parent has something to say that is valid then step up and do it.
There's plenty of help needed in Pal. I guess I would say my kid is lucky as his "parent" coach runs productive practices and literally goes all year long with his team, there's no BS and all parents are accustomed to it as this will prepare for school team ball.

When your kid gets into middle school and gets cut from team or lacks playtime, your gonna wish you could turn back time and worked more with your kid.
As for those who rather a non parent coach , that's the ticket!
It will not change your kids developement if he still can't catch and throw.

quote=Anonymous]I have coached almost every youth sport. I live in a very competitive big town, I can honestly tell you most guys coach to make sure their kid stays on the field, I hate the guy so much this will be my first kid I send to a Catholic school, [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son, we live in a world that has lacrosse and these kids have to be taught it. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for your third line middie and you curse the team. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That the middies benching, while tragic, probably scored goals. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins games. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like cut, pass, slide. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent coaching. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very victories that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a stick, and help my practice. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

This post made my day...thank you!

great homage to a few good men lmao

has anyone played center moriches 2021 yet. good team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That wasn't even a little funny.

Correct..... It was A LOT funny!

In the end when these boys hit Junior high and the coaches do not care that they played PAL, the boy whose dad coached and protected and favored them will be in for a rude awakening. Favoritism or not, talent and skill always prevail. For some it will be a bad scenario. Let you boy sink or swim on his own and he will be a better player for it.

there's truth to lot of this, a lot of scary guys on the sideline. but remember there are also a good # of those coaches with their own kids on the team that do the right thing. be careful with the broad brush. my son's PAL team has 3 coaches, all 3 have a son on the team. they are good coaches, and they roll lines as evenly as you could get in youth lax.

Yup big mouth email happy cry baby parents beware.....school sports is a whole different animal. Enjoy your power now. because once school ball comes like the other poster said it's sink or swim for your kid and your emails and whining will certainly fall on deaf ears so tell your son to sleep with his stick and carry it wherever he goes. practice practice practice on your own. I know it's a tough concept for some of you parents to understand that the boys must practice on their own especially in lacrosse. and for God sakes expose them to a televised game once in a while so they understand the game. Take the video games away for five minutes.

I don't think my son practices enough, some say that is all he does. They forget he is a 3 sport athlete. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

that's great keep practicing

off topic a little. has anyone heard of a lacrosse video game being released for Xbox? my son plays on three teams and all his teammates have been talking about it. but haven't seen anything about it yet? His birthday is coming up

Yes you are right when you get to high school it's based on talent, and my kid passed the three coaches kids pretty quickly, and daddy can't do a thing about it.

In PAL the coaches kids are usually among the best because that is what daddy did/does so the kids spend time with dad doing it. As they get older they'll do what they want to do and those kids that are good athletes that continue to work hard and practice will always close the gap and even surpass as time moves on if it is THEIR passion too and they put the time in. Nothing magical, good for everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes you are right when you get to high school it's based on talent, and my kid passed the three coaches kids pretty quickly, and daddy can't do a thing about it.

listen the drama doesn't stop in HS. You need to work hard and still get a little bit of Luck!!!

Good luck - it is a bumpy but fun ride

hooray for your kid. That's bcuz he practiced. was that a big victory for you that you can turn your nose down at your son's PAL coaches kids?

Kids in my town hardly play on a pal b team, that is wrong, if they go to practice all kids should play equal for the first three quarters. Then you can give the kids that are working in yhe back yard a little more playing time. In the fourth quarter.

Just an iPad ao right now in the infant stages of production.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son, we live in a world that has lacrosse and these kids have to be taught it. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for your third line middie and you curse the team. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That the middies benching, while tragic, probably scored goals. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins games. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like cut, pass, slide. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent coaching. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very victories that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a stick, and help my practice. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Lol.... I just came across this very funny, very clever, nobody made the connection. People are way to serious.

That is hysterical. Great movie great scene and very true.

oh ok thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son, we live in a world that has lacrosse and these kids have to be taught it. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for your third line middie and you curse the team. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That the middies benching, while tragic, probably scored goals. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins games. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like cut, pass, slide. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent coaching. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very victories that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a stick, and help my practice. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

One of the all time great posts I have had the pleasure of reading. Thank you for a very truthful post in a great context.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son, we live in a world that has lacrosse and these kids have to be taught it. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for your third line middie and you curse the team. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That the middies benching, while tragic, probably scored goals. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins games. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like cut, pass, slide. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent coaching. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very victories that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a stick, and help my practice. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Awesome!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

off topic a little. has anyone heard of a lacrosse video game being released for Xbox? my son plays on three teams and all his teammates have been talking about it. but haven't seen anything about it yet? His birthday is coming up

Who has time for birthdays or xbox when you play on three teams.

so start the game with kids that are less skilled? for three quarters? and then put your starters in in the fourth quarter? so don't reward the kid's that are more skilled and obviously work hard on their own? just want to be clear as to what you're saying. that's the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. it's either you've never played sports or your son isn't getting much playing time and you want him to play before kids that are more skilled?! Yeah brilliant (sarcasm).....please don't hesitate to clear up your ridiculous statement

I'd love to know what town that is as well by the way.

my nine year old son Jack [lacrosse]. though he plays on three teams abd excells in school and sports we still allow him to be nine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so start the game with kids that are less skilled? for three quarters? and then put your starters in in the fourth quarter? so don't reward the kid's that are more skilled and obviously work hard on their own? just want to be clear as to what you're saying. that's the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. it's either you've never played sports or your son isn't getting much playing time and you want him to play before kids that are more skilled?! Yeah brilliant (sarcasm).....please don't hesitate to clear up your ridiculous statement

The writers statement was pretty clear. Let everyone play for 3 quarters and award those who work harder at lacrosse and/or are simply better at crunch time. That way every plays and participates in the win or loss. It is PAL remember.

How about towns placing the teams in proper divisions?
So better kids play better kids, and towns with kids starting a little older dont get slammed and never give the game another chance.
It is such a broken record.

Youre right. I misunderstood the post

PAL is a joke.

Run don't walk away

can someone explain to me why PAL lacrosse doesn't have a playoff system for the post season like PAL football does?? what's the problem? aren't sports still competitive?

Playoffs? Unlike football its only an 8 game season. Refer to previous post. PAL is a joke. Especially Suffolk this year.

football is eight games as well

The answer to that is very simple, I coach both sports for 6 years. When football season ends, early november, going an extra 2, 3 weeks conflicts are fee and far between. Besides football isnt an 11 month a yr sport, like lacrosse has become. Once memorial day weekend comes, weekends after that, kids are busy , travel lacrosse, families going away on weekends, just seems hard to organize games into june. I do agree, I wish there was some sort of playoff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can someone explain to me why PAL lacrosse doesn't have a playoff system for the post season like PAL football does?? what's the problem? aren't sports still competitive?

The answer is no youth sports today are no longer about competing. They are about participating and everyone getting a trophy deserved or not.

And in some towns it's all about the $$$$

Because jackass parents will complain that everyone , skilled and unskilled are "ENTITLED" to be in playoffs no matter how horrible a team may be , and it would be not fair if a team gets bumped out during playoffs.. "Its PAL remember" with the evolution of the game continually climbing in skill , PAL may one day be obsolete due to kids and the parents who do not take it serious enough to keep up , a huge drop off will occur as kids who are starting younger each year and developing quicker with travel organizations that are offered. A more organized league should be set up with conjunction to school setting divisions (class B , section 11 ) with the schools responsibility to develop youth programs , and compete accordingly .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can someone explain to me why PAL lacrosse doesn't have a playoff system for the post season like PAL football does?? what's the problem? aren't sports still competitive?

I understand the post about weekends and memorial day and what not. but happened to the days when if you had a game or practice that the family trip waited or you just went to the family function be it a communion or whatever, a little late? I too coach both sports and it bothers me to no end that u sign up and commit to a sport but you miss games and practice for family parties or planned trips. like I said go to the party late. or for God sakes can't people plan their trips around the season? growing up my parents planned their lives around our sports. and once we committed to it we never missed practice or games for anything. and my sons are being raised the same way. we go on plenty vacations but once the season starts all of that stops. it's not fair to other kids when u show up when you want. I actually had a kids mother last season tell me "sorry, so and so can't make the game Friday night. He's going to his friends sleep over party." this isn't a seven year old either. I'm talking about an 11 year old. like really he couldn't go to the sleep over after? and as for the multiple sports in one season.....that's just ridiculous.....commit to one sport.......how do you sign your kids up for two sports that share the same season? did you ever think that practice schedules or games schedules will conflict sometimes? and what do u do? u say to your kid.....hey listen u have a baseball game and a lax game Saturday night.....which one do u want to go to? which isn't fair to either coach who's trying to get ready for the game or put a line up together. times sure have changed.....sometimes I wonder who wears the pants in the house these days dad, mom, or the kids.

that's cheesy

Actualy, funny in PAL football....if a team doesnt make the play offs or gets bumped after a round.....they still play two more games called consolation games. Its the most ridiculous nonsense ever. Number one it teaches kids not to try and its ok to be mediocre. It s ok to just get by. Get C's in school....so longs you passed. What happened to the best make the play offs and everyone else goes home.....hey we lost in the first round last year.....I had no problem going home after that. But no, we played one or two more meaningless games. what is it proving. YaY!!! everyone gets a trophy yay participate. Thats why I respect these travel lax programs....good for you go out to tournaments and smack other teams. its competitive contact sports right? teach the boys thats its good to win. teach the boys its fun to win. I rarely see smiles on the losing team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is hysterical. Great movie great scene and very true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is hysterical. Great movie great scene and very true.

What movie?

Isn't suffolk pal a 10 game season? At least for 11 v 11 ages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actualy, funny in PAL football....if a team doesnt make the play offs or gets bumped after a round.....they still play two more games called consolation games. Its the most ridiculous nonsense ever. Number one it teaches kids not to try and its ok to be mediocre. It s ok to just get by. Get C's in school....so longs you passed. What happened to the best make the play offs and everyone else goes home.....hey we lost in the first round last year.....I had no problem going home after that. But no, we played one or two more meaningless games. what is it proving. YaY!!! everyone gets a trophy yay participate. Thats why I respect these travel lax programs....good for you go out to tournaments and smack other teams. its competitive contact sports right? teach the boys thats its good to win. teach the boys its fun to win. I rarely see smiles on the losing
team.

Football plays a ten game season. They start the playoffs after week seven. Everyone plays ten games. No extra. It is about equal match ups not necessarily a superbowl

no for football it's definitely 8 games regular season. Two rounds of playoffs then championship game. if u don't make playoffs you still play two more games against teams that also didn't make it. if u lose in the playoffs say in the first round PAL let's u play two more games against teams that got knocked out as well. so everyone plays ten games one way or another but the regular season is eight games. My team was eleven last year and we lost in the first round

a few good men

you're right it's seven

So SCPAL lacrosse plays 7 games vs. SCPAL football plays 10 and provides equipment and uniforms for the same price? Unreal.

Its a famous Jack Nicholson quote from the movie "A Few Good Men. It was what followed "You can't handle the truth." Which is probably just as appropriate for youth lacrosse parents.

The 1st 2 games, were snowed out, take the PAL to small claims court. Go try to get 40 bucks back. Its kids lacrosse, give it a rest man.

The snowed out games were made up and its was still an 8 game season.
If "its just kids lacrosse" why do you troll these boards? My point is that SCPAL Football seems to do so more with less. But I guess your attitude matches SCPAL Lacrosse.
And what town are you in that charges $40?

Nobody charges 40 bucks, it was a figure of speech. The comment was, football charges the same and you get more games with football. I coach both sports for my 11 yr old son. I wish there was a playoff, this is a priority before parties, weekend plans , barbaques, other sports etc. However after the holiday weekend next week, it seems difficult to organize weekend games. Many parents don't make PAL lacrosse a priority, club lax starts to pick it up, kids play baseball, soccer, this family has a beach house, this family is going to hamptons, fire island, etc. The 17 kids on my team, is now 9 kids. Football , ending nov 7th or nov 21, Nov 28th, the condlicts don't seem to be very many.

There will never be a post season in PAL lax because club lax poaches all the kids after Memorial Day. There are no club teams in football.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that football can charge less and "give" more because there are twice as many kids on each football team than there are on the average lacrosse team. This is LACROSSE, not football. If you don't like the length or cost of the lacrosse season, stick to football.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody charges 40 bucks, it was a figure of speech. The comment was, football charges the same and you get more games with football. I coach both sports for my 11 yr old son. I wish there was a playoff, this is a priority before parties, weekend plans , barbaques, other sports etc. However after the holiday weekend next week, it seems difficult to organize weekend games. Many parents don't make PAL lacrosse a priority, club lax starts to pick it up, kids play baseball, soccer, this family has a beach house, this family is going to hamptons, fire island, etc. The 17 kids on my team, is now 9 kids. Football , ending nov 7th or nov 21, Nov 28th, the condlicts don't seem to be very many.

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Ahh, another season of PAL lax in the books. Another season of PAL allowing towns not to abide by it's own rules. It is not fair to the towns who do follow them, and yes there are a few of us out there that still do. Far and few between but we do exist. This is supposed to be a fun, town vs. town league. It has turned into, try and put the best team together with any kids you can find and go play the team that the other town can put together. This is not and was never intended to be club lacrosse, if that's what you want then go play lacrosse for one of the many clubs out there, I am sure they will be more than glad to take your money. PAL has got to stop the parents and directors who feel THEY can run this league how THEY see fit and either start to punish the towns who do not follow the rules or expel them from playing in the league. There needs to be some sort of age and residency verification put in place, because the "honor" system is not working. It was another season of coaches putting their teams in a lower division because they need all the mommies and daddies to feel good about themselves watching little Johnny play against much weaker opponents. Another season of kids playing for more than one "town team", but the parents and coaches don't care because it helps little Johnny win games and if that's not happening the emails will fly. PAL also needs to do a better job or come up with a better system for placing teams, if a team goes undefeated in a season, they are in the wrong division and should be playing up a division. Many teams stay in the B or C division just to ensure a winning record. I have a lot more respect for a town that tries to challenge their kids and not coddle them. Maybe one day the "adults" will just get out of the way and stop ruining local youth sports, but I doubt it.

cheers to the idiot loud mouth down on east islip sideline today. class act.

It is extremely simple... SCPAL Lacrosee enforce your own damn rules!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ahh, another season of PAL lax in the books. Another season of PAL allowing towns not to abide by it's own rules. It is not fair to the towns who do follow them, and yes there are a few of us out there that still do. Far and few between but we do exist. This is supposed to be a fun, town vs. town league. It has turned into, try and put the best team together with any kids you can find and go play the team that the other town can put together. This is not and was never intended to be club lacrosse, if that's what you want then go play lacrosse for one of the many clubs out there, I am sure they will be more than glad to take your money. PAL has got to stop the parents and directors who feel THEY can run this league how THEY see fit and either start to punish the towns who do not follow the rules or expel them from playing in the league. There needs to be some sort of age and residency verification put in place, because the "honor" system is not working. It was another season of coaches putting their teams in a lower division because they need all the mommies and daddies to feel good about themselves watching little Johnny play against much weaker opponents. Another season of kids playing for more than one "town team", but the parents and coaches don't care because it helps little Johnny win games and if that's not happening the emails will fly. PAL also needs to do a better job or come up with a better system for placing teams, if a team goes undefeated in a season, they are in the wrong division and should be playing up a division. Many teams stay in the B or C division just to ensure a winning record. I have a lot more respect for a town that tries to challenge their kids and not coddle them. Maybe one day the "adults" will just get out of the way and stop ruining local youth sports, but I doubt it.

PAL in the past was actually much more competitive as only the best kids from each town made the travel teams and the rest played the rec league.
Now anyone who signs up can play travel, although many parents like this its far from a productive use of time for upper development. Have you notices how many new clubs pop up every year? PAL is a dinosaur and many expect its role in development will continue to diminish over the years.

your team must be God awful

No reason to play PAL lax anymore. Do your son a favor, find a good travel team with committed coaches and he will be much better for it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No reason to play PAL lax anymore. Do your son a favor, find a good travel team with committed coaches and he will be much better for it.

Great idea. I'll go empty out my bank account right now. Instead why don't we fix PAL so we can stop getting ripped off by club teams. and finally, does anyone know what club team Myles Jones played for?

I do not get the hate for PAL. Some of you want to make it travel but it is not. Even though I think it would be cool for a playoff game or two, starting this weekend you can play a in a championship tournament every weekend until august with a travel team or town team you organize.

Why the hate on PAL you get 2 practices a week, a game with refs each week. and the kids get to play with their friends.

Sure it gets frustrating with the different levels of skill between the good players and the ones still developing.

IMO PAL is an extension of the high school program. Try to get as many kids playing the sport and develop their skills. WANT more than that after the PAL season, you can play travel every weekend until August.

The towns that have a "Win Now" attitude and bring in players, bend the rules, etc. More power to you with your "Youth Team Championship," because everyone tells people of their undefeated 9 year old lacrosse team as adults.

The problem with PAL as I see it is the parents with the "Win Now" attitude and not part of the "Program development" attitude.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ahh, another season of PAL lax in the books. Another season of PAL allowing towns not to abide by it's own rules. It is not fair to the towns who do follow them, and yes there are a few of us out there that still do. Far and few between but we do exist. This is supposed to be a fun, town vs. town league. It has turned into, try and put the best team together with any kids you can find and go play the team that the other town can put together. This is not and was never intended to be club lacrosse, if that's what you want then go play lacrosse for one of the many clubs out there, I am sure they will be more than glad to take your money. PAL has got to stop the parents and directors who feel THEY can run this league how THEY see fit and either start to punish the towns who do not follow the rules or expel them from playing in the league. There needs to be some sort of age and residency verification put in place, because the "honor" system is not working. It was another season of coaches putting their teams in a lower division because they need all the mommies and daddies to feel good about themselves watching little Johnny play against much weaker opponents. Another season of kids playing for more than one "town team", but the parents and coaches don't care because it helps little Johnny win games and if that's not happening the emails will fly. PAL also needs to do a better job or come up with a better system for placing teams, if a team goes undefeated in a season, they are in the wrong division and should be playing up a division. Many teams stay in the B or C division just to ensure a winning record. I have a lot more respect for a town that tries to challenge their kids and not coddle them. Maybe one day the "adults" will just get out of the way and stop ruining local youth sports, but I doubt it.

Great post and very true. I have been coaching PAL LAX for 15 years and it is getting worse and worse. Everyone thinks they are a club tema now and must recruit because it has becoem all about winning and the egos of adults and not about developing young lacrosse players anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No reason to play PAL lax anymore. Do your son a favor, find a good travel team with committed coaches and he will be much better for it.

Great idea. I'll go empty out my bank account right now. Instead why don't we fix PAL so we can stop getting ripped off by club teams. and finally, does anyone know what club team Myles Jones played for?

YES, 64240.

The landscape of LI lacrosse has changed drastically over 15 years. The problem is PAL HAS become a competitor of club lacrosse. Especially now that PAL doesn't enforce its own rules, won't update websites (was there a 2015 rule book?) and seems generally disorganized and disinterested. PAL exists at the pleasure of its own board. If they actually posted the scores for public consumption we could see who is sandbagging. I now see club teams who historically didn't try to compete during the PAL season now trying to capitalize. Better players get frustrated playing with developing players and eventually stop showing up. If you pay x thousand for club lacrosse and their is a scheduling conflict where are you playing? I agree that town lacrosse is worth saving but PAL is not helping the situation.

All these yoyo's clamoring for a playoff or champion...PAL listened and they in effect did that by creating the Select division. If you don;t want to split your town teams evenly and you want "A" and "B" teams then simply enter that division with your A team. Problem is 35 of 42 directors said they wanted an A division but then when sign up time actually came only about 7 towns stepped up and did not sand bag and put a team in that division-GC, N'port, CSH, Port, SWR, Franklin Square and Syosset, 3 village (depending on which grade in some cases). All other towns, expecially those with only 1 team or with A and B teams that did not sign up for the select division are Sandbaggers. Period. If I missed a team in an age group that has supported the Select Division over the last two years I apologize. No disrespect meant. The Sandbaggers know who they are... Enjoy your D2 blowouts...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No reason to play PAL lax anymore. Do your son a favor, find a good travel team with committed coaches and he will be much better for it.

Great idea. I'll go empty out my bank account right now. Instead why don't we fix PAL so we can stop getting ripped off by club teams. and finally, does anyone know what club team Myles Jones played for?

YES, 64240.

That's the same club Jim Brown played for. And what club did the Thompson brothers play for?

all the crybabies crying about A teams that playing B division lacrosse I just want to say, my son played 2021 B division lacrosse in Suffolk county and his team was successful but I didn't see a single team that should've been playing in the A division. can someone please enlighten me to who the culprits are because I think this sounds more like frustrated coaches who had maybe four solid kids and the rest developmental kids. which there's nothing wrong with that. but to them I say don't complain, drop down to a lower division.

Nassau i was referring to and my team did just fine. There were some D2 teams that should've been in Select Division though that weren't.

ok. well that's a shame that there are teams hiding in a lower division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No reason to play PAL lax anymore. Do your son a favor, find a good travel team with committed coaches and he will be much better for it.

Great idea. I'll go empty out my bank account right now. Instead why don't we fix PAL so we can stop getting ripped off by club teams. and finally, does anyone know what club team Myles Jones played for?

YES, 64240.

That's the same club Jim Brown played for. And what club did the Thompson brothers play for?

lax 247365

Originally Posted by Anonymous

all the crybabies crying about A teams that playing B division lacrosse I just want to say, my son played 2021 B division lacrosse in Suffolk county and his team was successful but I didn't see a single team that should've been playing in the A division. can someone please enlighten me to who the culprits are because I think this sounds more like frustrated coaches who had maybe four solid kids and the rest developmental kids. which there's nothing wrong with that. but to them I say don't complain, drop down to a lower division.

My son's team should be playing in the A division. His coach assumed we would be but PAL didn't move them up and the result was that there wasn't a single face off after the first quarter all season. That's not fair to either team. The coach was mad because he wanted his team challenged and the other teams were mad because they were outmatched.

no face offs!?!? Oh right I see you guys were up by four or five goals pretty quickly. strange, same thing happened with my team this season same exact thing u explained out in Suffolk. it became boring as a coach

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ahh, another season of PAL lax in the books. Another season of PAL allowing towns not to abide by it's own rules. It is not fair to the towns who do follow them, and yes there are a few of us out there that still do. Far and few between but we do exist. This is supposed to be a fun, town vs. town league. It has turned into, try and put the best team together with any kids you can find and go play the team that the other town can put together. This is not and was never intended to be club lacrosse, if that's what you want then go play lacrosse for one of the many clubs out there, I am sure they will be more than glad to take your money. PAL has got to stop the parents and directors who feel THEY can run this league how THEY see fit and either start to punish the towns who do not follow the rules or expel them from playing in the league. There needs to be some sort of age and residency verification put in place, because the "honor" system is not working. It was another season of coaches putting their teams in a lower division because they need all the mommies and daddies to feel good about themselves watching little Johnny play against much weaker opponents. Another season of kids playing for more than one "town team", but the parents and coaches don't care because it helps little Johnny win games and if that's not happening the emails will fly. PAL also needs to do a better job or come up with a better system for placing teams, if a team goes undefeated in a season, they are in the wrong division and should be playing up a division. Many teams stay in the B or C division just to ensure a winning record. I have a lot more respect for a town that tries to challenge their kids and not coddle them. Maybe one day the "adults" will just get out of the way and stop ruining local youth sports, but I doubt it.

PAL in the past was actually much more competitive as only the best kids from each town made the travel teams and the rest played the rec league.
Now anyone who signs up can play travel, although many parents like this its far from a productive use of time for upper development. Have you notices how many new clubs pop up every year? PAL is a dinosaur and many expect its role in development will continue to diminish over the years.

Exactly right. One significant reason for the emergence of so many club teams is that PAL does not meet the needs of the more competitive or developed player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

all the crybabies crying about A teams that playing B division lacrosse I just want to say, my son played 2021 B division lacrosse in Suffolk county and his team was successful but I didn't see a single team that should've been playing in the A division. can someone please enlighten me to who the culprits are because I think this sounds more like frustrated coaches who had maybe four solid kids and the rest developmental kids. which there's nothing wrong with that. but to them I say don't complain, drop down to a lower division.

Or how about my son's team not winning a single game in the A Division? Where's the uproar?

Look, it's simple. PAL season is only 8 weeks long. It is meant for the TOWNS to compete against each other in a competitive but fun way. It is a chance for the kids who enjoy playing the game but are not good enough, have no interest in or can not afford to play for the club teams. If you happen to have A level players in your town, then play in the A division, if they are B players, play in B and so on, it is what it is. We all know both in Nassau and Suffolk there are teams who have kids from outside their town playing for them. Some of these kids play for more than just one team, you can't blame them they just want to play, but they have the other 44 weeks of the year to do this. You can blame PAL and the town directors and coaches for allowing this. The lacrosse community on L.I. is small and tight knit and by 3rd-4th grade we all know who most of the kids are, where they are from and who they play for, both club and PAL. We all know that this goes on and who does it as much as they want to deny they don't. It amazes me that the parents in these towns accept this but I guess they are more concerned with their kids "self esteem" and would rather win games on the backs of kids who were recruited from outside their town just to win games rather than teach their own kids they need to work hard and put in the time and effort if THEY want to improve and be successful. This just seems to be the way things are in our society today, parents are ok with doing anything just as long as their kids are able "feel good" about themselves rather than teach them to work hard themselves to achieve what they want, it's pretty pathetic and this is what is ruining the PAL experience if you ask me.

they don't belong in A division I guess

or how about wantagh bringing in the better kids from the other team to try and win? i get being short and needing a couple subs but bringing the better guys from one team when you already have a full roster?

What does the team that finished 8-0 get vs the team that finished 0-8? Nothing. They both get nothing. So this emphasis some of you are putting on winning or accusing coaches of wanting to get wins is for what?

My team did very well this past season. I cherished the past months/years coaching these kids and watching them progress. I'll hold on to those memories more that what our record was. Anyone else who does the opposite should not be coaching a PAL team.

Myles Jones played PAL not club

hey there it is!!! I was waiting for someone to call a town out.

How many kids returned after the 0-8 season?

does anyone know if anyone in Suffolk runs a Canadian rules box league for youth? great game would love to coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many kids returned after the 0-8 season?

I've coached a 1-7 team, and the kids came back. Kept a positive atmosphere with an emphasis on developing and learning. The next season, and the season after that they got better and better.

that's all that matters

how'd center moriches 2021 finish?

1-7 isnt an issue for younger graded, but if you are talking about 5th grade and up, the better players will just play club or elsewhere and not return. Have it happening now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1-7 isnt an issue for younger graded, but if you are talking about 5th grade and up, the better players will just play club or elsewhere and not return. Have it happening now.

This is what I don't understand, the better players have all year to play elsewhere, PAL is only 8 weeks long. Doesn't anyone have any pride in or allegiance to their community anymore? Why are they allowed to play elsewhere, what are we teaching our kids? When things don't go your way just take your ball and leave and abandon the rest of the kids in your community? That it is ok to cheat and have players from outside the community come in to play just so you can win games? Our kids should be learning sometimes things are tough, but if you stick with it and try hard you will eventually succeed on your own and that is something to be proud of. Sports are also supposed to teach life lessons and none of them should be how to cheat the system just to win a few games. As coaches and parents we should all be above that.

This is why BOC should have a like button

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1-7 isnt an issue for younger graded, but if you are talking about 5th grade and up, the better players will just play club or elsewhere and not return. Have it happening now.

This is what I don't understand, the better players have all year to play elsewhere, PAL is only 8 weeks long. Doesn't anyone have any pride in or allegiance to their community anymore? Why are they allowed to play elsewhere, what are we teaching our kids? When things don't go your way just take your ball and leave and abandon the rest of the kids in your community? That it is ok to cheat and have players from outside the community come in to play just so you can win games? Our kids should be learning sometimes things are tough, but if you stick with it and try hard you will eventually succeed on your own and that is something to be proud of. Sports are also supposed to teach life lessons and none of them should be how to cheat the system just to win a few games. As coaches and parents we should all be above that.

Great points and I agree with everything you said, except for the winning which is back to my original point. I don't understand the emphasis on winning in PAL lax or accusing other coaches for wanting to win. What does it get you? (and I don't mean you, just in general). A team finishes 8-0, 7-1, 6-2....big deal! Does the coach get awarded with a contract extension? Do the players get a trophy? No...it means nothing. These are young kids in PAL lax, not some ESPN Power Ranking league.

like an eject button or a trap door Lmao. it's not cheating taking kids from other communities or actually it's not taking its called not turning kids who want to play away. that's what youth sports is about right? like I always said that kid from outside your town may have had a bad experience in their own town organization. you'd actually as a coach turn a kid away from your program because he lives in another town?! sir or ma'am you do not belong around youth sports

here's something I can't stand.......why are some of the youth organizations allowing the town's high school programs to come in and dictate what's going on in the youth program. let the boys play youth sports. some of these larger organizations have high school coaches on their board. I coach in an organization that does this in lacrosse. they''ve completely divided the program. In no way shape or form should a youth program be governed by the school's athletic program. let the boys play and grow up. they'll get to high school eventually. best part is the face of coaching staffs in high school sports changes like underwear these days. I don't even acknowledge them when I see them at our fields. stay at the high school where you belong.

Great point, but why do all these out of towners seem to be ringers. Are you telling me other towns don't have beginers who want to learn the game. How come none of these beginers or non ringers play on the out of town team coach. Is it because the team who is accepting the "out of towners"are trying to help their local neighboring towns kids learn the game of lacrosse. If that were the case I'd love to meet that coach and tell him how awesome that is. My guess its the 2nd scenario. He wants to win the game at all costs. I also want to meet that guy and call him a loser.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

here's something I can't stand.......why are some of the youth organizations allowing the town's high school programs to come in and dictate what's going on in the youth program. let the boys play youth sports. some of these larger organizations have high school coaches on their board. I coach in an organization that does this in lacrosse. they''ve completely divided the program. In no way shape or form should a youth program be governed by the school's athletic program. let the boys play and grow up. they'll get to high school eventually. best part is the face of coaching staffs in high school sports changes like underwear these days. I don't even acknowledge them when I see them at our fields. stay at the high school where you belong.

It's obvious why. Most HS coaches are connected to some kind of private firm that "offers" training to younger players. Pay to play. Schools should put an end to this, it's a conflict of interest.

Full circle.. The good players who are frustrated because they are playing with less developed teams with winless or 1-7 records go play on another town team. But how charitable that the new town does not turn away kids. Make sure these lacrosse angels get those waivers signed from the existing town as required.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1-7 isnt an issue for younger graded, but if you are talking about 5th grade and up, the better players will just play club or elsewhere and not return. Have it happening now.

This is what I don't understand, the better players have all year to play elsewhere, PAL is only 8 weeks long. Doesn't anyone have any pride in or allegiance to their community anymore? Why are they allowed to play elsewhere, what are we teaching our kids? When things don't go your way just take your ball and leave and abandon the rest of the kids in your community? That it is ok to cheat and have players from outside the community come in to play just so you can win games? Our kids should be learning sometimes things are tough, but if you stick with it and try hard you will eventually succeed on your own and that is something to be proud of. Sports are also supposed to teach life lessons and none of them should be how to cheat the system just to win a few games. As coaches and parents we should all be above that.

Great points and I agree with everything you said, except for the winning which is back to my original point. I don't understand the emphasis on winning in PAL lax or accusing other coaches for wanting to win. What does it get you? (and I don't mean you, just in general). A team finishes 8-0, 7-1, 6-2....big deal! Does the coach get awarded with a contract extension? Do the players get a trophy? No...it means nothing. These are young kids in PAL lax, not some ESPN Power Ranking league.

Being a board member of a youth league, I can tell you why winning matters. Not about coaching awards. Not about ESPN. It's about parents. Know what happens when a team struggles? Especially an "A" team? Parents criticize the coach. Criticize the other players that aren't up to their kids' standards. Start choosing to go to their travel team practice over the town team. For every team that I hear is "falling apart" it usually starts with a lack of success and disintegrates from there. I will be the first to admit youth lacrosse scores don't matter in the overall scheme of things. You think I remember scores and records when my son was in 3-8th grade? NO way! But to keep teams together, parents want their kids to be on a winner. If it didn't matter so much to them, they wouldn't be screaming for little Johnny to try and run through the entire other team and shoot from 20 yards away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

here's something I can't stand.......why are some of the youth organizations allowing the town's high school programs to come in and dictate what's going on in the youth program. let the boys play youth sports. some of these larger organizations have high school coaches on their board. I coach in an organization that does this in lacrosse. they''ve completely divided the program. In no way shape or form should a youth program be governed by the school's athletic program. let the boys play and grow up. they'll get to high school eventually. best part is the face of coaching staffs in high school sports changes like underwear these days. I don't even acknowledge them when I see them at our fields. stay at the high school where you belong.

It's obvious why. Most HS coaches are connected to some kind of private firm that "offers" training to younger players. Pay to play. Schools should put an end to this, it's a conflict of interest.

Agree. Its a money grab

Absolutely agree. These teams and coaches who think they are doing their "good deed of the day" by having other towns best players play on their team are doing it just "not to turn kids away" are a joke. If that were the case why don't they take the other towns "C" level or developmental players on their stacked "B" team, gimme a break!! How come all the kids I know that are playing for other towns all play for the top club teams, pick up teams and whatever other teams they can get on? They are not being "turned away" by anybody including the towns they DO live in. The kids just want to play, I get that but this is PAL, it is only 8 weeks long, it is supposed to town vs. town straight up.They have the whole rest of the year to play where ever they want,,and most of them do. You play with the players you have,,,period! Stop telling us you are doing it just for the kids sake, you are embarrassing yourselves

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great point, but why do all these out of towners seem to be ringers. Are you telling me other towns don't have beginers who want to learn the game. How come none of these beginers or non ringers play on the out of town team coach. Is it because the team who is accepting the "out of towners"are trying to help their local neighboring towns kids learn the game of lacrosse. If that were the case I'd love to meet that coach and tell him how awesome that is. My guess its the 2nd scenario. He wants to win the game at all costs. I also want to meet that guy and call him a loser.

On a different note, if anyone was at Veterans Park in E. Northport, Sunday, May 17th or thereafter, and found a lacrosse stick and is looking for the owner, my son left his stick behind the bathrooms in the far parking lot. It has sentimental value more than monetary value. It has a white head and a black shaft. Since this site has a lot of traffic I thought I would give it a shot. More than happy to offer a reward for its return.

again, no one is literally going out and recruiting players I'm sure to "stack" their B team. so answer this when a family comes to your organization from another town to sign up for your lacrosse program because they heard it has a good reputation and they have an appropriate release form approved by PAL, you would turn them away?? Yeah that's just great. way to go. I'd hate to know what youth program you belong to bcuz that's a shame. like I always say and I base this on personal experience, what if the out of town kids come to your program bcuz they had a bad experience in their home town program? and don't tell me if the kid had some solid skills you wouldn't want him. and as for the C skills player if he had a rough experience in his home town I'd take him too and already have.

this person sounds oddly familiar complaining about a particular B team with a couple of out of town kids. are you complaining about a particular town or organization because I believe I read the same BS complaint post directed at a specific organization that maybe I'm affiliated with at the beginning of the season.

Has anyone played in the south shore summer league? Looks really cool

CCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give it a res already

Why the heck does a western Nassau County team get scheduled 3x in one season to play away against 3 different eastern Suffolk County teams?? Don't we play in the 'NASSAU PAL LEAGUE??? If Suffolk wants in on NCPAL -- all games vs Nassau teams should be AWAY!!! - All games before 10am -- this is absolute horse s..t ---- sorry for the rant

The Director of your Club signs off on the schedule before it is finalized. Ask him/her why they threw your grade under the bus.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why the heck does a western Nassau County team get scheduled 3x in one season to play away against 3 different eastern Suffolk County teams?? Don't we play in the 'NASSAU PAL LEAGUE??? If Suffolk wants in on NCPAL -- all games vs Nassau teams should be AWAY!!! - All games before 10am -- this is absolute horse s..t ---- sorry for the rant

I agree with you. All suffolk teams playing in the NASSAU PAL should play all away games unless the towns are within 10 miles of each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

here's something I can't stand.......why are some of the youth organizations allowing the town's high school programs to come in and dictate what's going on in the youth program. let the boys play youth sports. some of these larger organizations have high school coaches on their board. I coach in an organization that does this in lacrosse. they''ve completely divided the program. In no way shape or form should a youth program be governed by the school's athletic program. let the boys play and grow up. they'll get to high school eventually. best part is the face of coaching staffs in high school sports changes like underwear these days. I don't even acknowledge them when I see them at our fields. stay at the high school where you belong.

I couldn't disagree with you more. I welcome the inclusive environment that allows the HS coach to influence the youth program. Who is more qualified, who is more invested in the kids improving their skills and having fun? Why don't you try to work with him instead of putting up a wall. Our HS had to be dragged kicking and screaming into our youth program, but the collaboration has been fantastic. More HS players are getting involved with youth program, the HS coach offers to help out here and there...How could there be downside?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why the heck does a western Nassau County team get scheduled 3x in one season to play away against 3 different eastern Suffolk County teams?? Don't we play in the 'NASSAU PAL LEAGUE??? If Suffolk wants in on NCPAL -- all games vs Nassau teams should be AWAY!!! - All games before 10am -- this is absolute horse s..t ---- sorry for the rant

I agree with you. All suffolk teams playing in the NASSAU PAL should play all away games unless the towns are within 10 miles of each other.

Yeah, because all the Nassau towns are only 10 miles apart. I see the issue with 3 trips to eastern Suffolk (though not sure why it is being raised this late in the season), but lots of Nassau/Suffolk towns are closer together than Nassau/Nassau. Just need to apply some logic and equity - at the beginning of the season!

Isn't the PAL Festival great. They tell you have to play, or face expulsion, than they schedule games in direct conflict with the times you said your team is not available. Enough already. Finish the week prior like we always did. PAL wont acknowledge travel but the reality is the PAL rosters are too thin with travel tournaments starting earlier and earlier...

I love the PAL festival, I think they should continue doing it every year. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

here's something I can't stand.......why are some of the youth organizations allowing the town's high school programs to come in and dictate what's going on in the youth program. let the boys play youth sports. some of these larger organizations have high school coaches on their board. I coach in an organization that does this in lacrosse. they''ve completely divided the program. In no way shape or form should a youth program be governed by the school's athletic program. let the boys play and grow up. they'll get to high school eventually. best part is the face of coaching staffs in high school sports changes like underwear these days. I don't even acknowledge them when I see them at our fields. stay at the high school where you belong.

I couldn't disagree with you more. I welcome the inclusive environment that allows the HS coach to influence the youth program. Who is more qualified, who is more invested in the kids improving their skills and having fun? Why don't you try to work with him instead of putting up a wall. Our HS had to be dragged kicking and screaming into our youth program, but the collaboration has been fantastic. More HS players are getting involved with youth program, the HS coach offers to help out here and there...How could there be downside?

Amen to that, but becareful so towns want to then control their summer options and "threaten" playing time if they do not do a summer option that is offered instead of a Travel option

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isn't the PAL Festival great. They tell you have to play, or face expulsion, than they schedule games in direct conflict with the times you said your team is not available. Enough already. Finish the week prior like we always did. PAL wont acknowledge travel but the reality is the PAL rosters are too thin with travel tournaments starting earlier and earlier...

The girls side is even worse because they play on Saturday, after having games on Sundays all season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why the heck does a western Nassau County team get scheduled 3x in one season to play away against 3 different eastern Suffolk County teams?? Don't we play in the 'NASSAU PAL LEAGUE??? If Suffolk wants in on NCPAL -- all games vs Nassau teams should be AWAY!!! - All games before 10am -- this is absolute horse s..t ---- sorry for the rant

I agree with you. All suffolk teams playing in the NASSAU PAL should play all away games unless the towns are within 10 miles of each other.

Yeah, because all the Nassau towns are only 10 miles apart. I see the issue with 3 trips to eastern Suffolk (though not sure why it is being raised this late in the season), but lots of Nassau/Suffolk towns are closer together than Nassau/Nassau. Just need to apply some logic and equity - at the beginning of the season!

The point is that it is the NASSAU PAL so no Nassau teams should be inconvenienced in anyway to play suffolk teams. Suffolk has a PAL unit also.

give a rest. PAL lacrosse is over thank God with their no play off garbage. PAL football starts soon. move the F on till next lame play lacrosse season

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isn't the PAL Festival great. They tell you have to play, or face expulsion, than they schedule games in direct conflict with the times you said your team is not available. Enough already. Finish the week prior like we always did. PAL wont acknowledge travel but the reality is the PAL rosters are too thin with travel tournaments starting earlier and earlier...

The girls side is even worse because they play on Saturday, after having games on Sundays all season.

Agree. Now you have to play on a Saturday with little to no notice and be expected to field a full team. How about telling boys 2 they were not playing and now scheduling them on a Saturday. If you tell PAL you cant field a team you face the wrath of the almighty. Enough already, can the festival...

agreed please do away with the PAL festival�it is almost impossible to field teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

here's something I can't stand.......why are some of the youth organizations allowing the town's high school programs to come in and dictate what's going on in the youth program. let the boys play youth sports. some of these larger organizations have high school coaches on their board. I coach in an organization that does this in lacrosse. they''ve completely divided the program. In no way shape or form should a youth program be governed by the school's athletic program. let the boys play and grow up. they'll get to high school eventually. best part is the face of coaching staffs in high school sports changes like underwear these days. I don't even acknowledge them when I see them at our fields. stay at the high school where you belong.

I couldn't disagree with you more. I welcome the inclusive environment that allows the HS coach to influence the youth program. Who is more qualified, who is more invested in the kids improving their skills and having fun? Why don't you try to work with him instead of putting up a wall. Our HS had to be dragged kicking and screaming into our youth program, but the collaboration has been fantastic. More HS players are getting involved with youth program, the HS coach offers to help out here and there...How could there be downside?

The downside has been previously mentioned. When your HS coach is financially benefiting from providing training or clinics to the younger kids it goes from helpful and beneficial to a conflict of interest. The question is, are they volunteering to help build the future teams or are they making money? Last time I volunteered for something, I didn't ask to get paid or own a company that benefited from my time. Big difference. Of course if they are not making money off the youth program then I agree with your points.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

agreed please do away with the PAL festivalit is almost impossible to field teams

the fields are terrible, the timing stinks, and the kids/coaches and parents have no interest. the pal demanding attendance is like a thug shakedown. why don't they just ask for a minimum donation per team and be on their way?

they are financially benefiting. Sachem north coaches r charging $950 for their summer tournament team. five tournaments. crooks. and you have parents kissing their asses as if they care who they're 7th grade kids are

Festivus... agreed

festivus deez nuts

whatever happened to Mike Gongas? Still 900 pounds?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they are financially benefiting. Sachem north coaches r charging $950 for their summer tournament team. five tournaments. crooks. and you have parents kissing their asses as if they care who they're 7th grade kids are

I know who you are

I'm a father who can't afford $950 so my son can play summer lacrosse ran by the school. that's who I am!!!!!

I'm a father who recently lost his job and probably soon his home but just wants his son to play the game he loves. that's who I am!!! you know nothing about me!!!!!

sorry to hear about your problems.sometimes you have to do without. dont let the entitled mood of the country make you think you deserve or are owed anything.

does anyone know the pal festival schedule? is it both Saturday and Sunday?

Have you spoken to the director? Most programs will make a deal of either reduced or no tuition in a circumstance like yours.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm a father who recently lost his job and probably soon his home but just wants his son to play the game he loves. that's who I am!!! you know nothing about me!!!!!

Have you reached out to one of the Varsity coaches and informed them of your situation? I'm sure they would work something out with you. They wouldn't want to see your son not playing in the summer either.

no I haveby but that's a really good idea. and I'm sure you're right hopefully that works. gonna give it a shot. my son probably would rather play along side his friends anyhow

can't wait for PAL football. at least there's a little something to play for.

just wanted to thank everyone for all the good ideas. I found my son a summer team I could afford. greatly appreciated the group of you who voiced your suggestions. thank you. as for the weasel who came on here when I went off on the sachem north summer tournament team and said "I know who you are." you obviously didn't. go back to serving the north varsity coaches their morning coffee

I've read so many negative comments on PAL Lax.

On the contrary, last night in what will be many of these 8th grade players last town game... I saw some really good lacrosse from Bayville 8th & Rockville Centre 8th. Very good players on both teams.

Many summer travel teams represented but they came together to play one last time on the PAL squad. Kudos to the coaches for keeping it going all those years.

I too saw some excellent PAL lax out in Suffolk county this season as a coach at the 6th grade level.

Anyone have a field map for the 2015 Festival at Farmingdale Colllege?

not sure i did it right but attached is (supposed to be) schedule and field map. i cant guarantee the accuracy of either. im in no way associated with laxfest.

hope it helps.

can someone please explain to me what the pal festival is at farmingdale Sunday. is this a tournament or ate they just individual games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can someone please explain to me what the pal festival is at farmingdale Sunday. is this a tournament or ate they just individual games?

Individual games. Just hope you opponent shows up. It is very unorganized.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can someone please explain to me what the pal festival is at farmingdale Sunday. is this a tournament or ate they just individual games?

its a disaster

no way one game!? !?!? I was going to put a team together last second. I'll pass

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no way one game!? !?!? I was going to put a team together last second. I'll pass

It's just for PAL teams, basically an extension of the regular season. Schedule were per-determined.

no I get it that it was for PAL teams. but whats it's purpose

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no I get it that it was for PAL teams. but whats it's purpose

Festival is a PAL fundraiser for charities.

Festivus is upon us!

so it's one game and go home yeah I'll pass. as for charities I'll take my team to shootout for soldiers

those fields the last few years have been terrible--not recently mowed, small field sizes, shoddy goals, horrendous parking and traffic--the day is
a disaster...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so it's one game and go home yeah I'll pass. as for charities I'll take my team to shootout for soldiers

Who cares? If you are a PAL team, the Festival was on your schedule; if not, you weren't invited anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have a field map for the 2015 Festival at Farmingdale Colllege?

I have it, but don't see a way to attach a pdf.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

those fields the last few years have been terrible--not recently mowed, small field sizes, shoddy goals, horrendous parking and traffic--the day is
a disaster...

But someone will say "LI Laxfest" is the best tournament played on great fields in three weeks, when it's played on the same fields!

Enough with the bashing of PAL. It serves a purpose for the kids that are just learning the game and enjoy playing because they get to play with their friends from school and have a good time.

If you find the need to [lacrosse] and moan about an event that people volunteer their time to put together for your kids, then shut up, step up and volunteer and do something to make it better!

must be a PAL lacrosse festival organizer.thanks for reminding us what PAL is for Mr Rogers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

those fields the last few years have been terrible--not recently mowed, small field sizes, shoddy goals, horrendous parking and traffic--the day is
a disaster...

But someone will say "LI Laxfest" is the best tournament played on great fields in three weeks, when it's played on the same fields!

Enough with the bashing of PAL. It serves a purpose for the kids that are just learning the game and enjoy playing because they get to play with their friends from school and have a good time.

If you find the need to [lacrosse] and moan about an event that people volunteer their time to put together for your kids, then shut up, step up and volunteer and do something to make it better!

People complain about the horrible fields for Laxfest also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

must be a PAL lacrosse festival organizer.thanks for reminding us what PAL is for Mr Rogers

Not at all! Just someone that appreciates what people do for the boys and girls on Long Island to introduce the game of lacrosse to so many.

If you haven't volunteered, then shut up! End of story!

Stop down and see the Special Needs group play their lacrosse game and put life into perspective, be grateful for what you have!

um I coach PAL lacrosse and also have a special needs child so I appreciate anything done for them. thanx for your input I'm a grown man with an opinion about the pal fest and I voiced period

Everything serves a purpose. but if you don't evolve you will just have a Walkman instead of a Discman.

I do evolve and have. like I said I too have a special needs child so my opinion about pal festival has nothing to do with that

I think PAL is great. Its the "Festival" day and all the teams crammed in at Farmingdale that I don't appreciate.

Can someone post the field map? Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone post the field map? Thanks

Fields 1 thru 8 are near the main turf stadium, baseball fields and tennis courts closer to the Melville Road entrance. Fields 9 thru 12 are on President's Field which is near the driving range closer to the Rt 110 entrance.

Hope that helps. Can't post a pdf to the forum.

how's the festival? all the teams show?

Only 1 no show today and 1 on Saturday.
Tremendous job by all involved to make the festival a success for the charities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only 1 no show today and 1 on Saturday.
Tremendous job by all involved to make the festival a success for the charities.

My daughter's 3rd grade team had a no show opponent at 8am, and last year my son's team had the same thing happen. Please take money from the general PAL fund to give to these very worthy charities, and never have this "festival" again. There is nothing festive about it.

typical

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only 1 no show today and 1 on Saturday.
Tremendous job by all involved to make the festival a success for the charities.

My sons 3rd grade team's game was cancelled before plus I heard about 5 other team drop. The sucks for the kids who want to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only 1 no show today and 1 on Saturday.
Tremendous job by all involved to make the festival a success for the charities.

My daughter's 3rd grade team had a no show opponent at 8am, and last year my son's team had the same thing happen. Please take money from the general PAL fund to give to these very worthy charities, and never have this "festival" again. There is nothing festive about it.

Teams that don't show get docket $150 but I agree, it's a waste of time

My only complaint is why can't they give the schedule out at the beginning of the season or at least what the time slot will be? Waiting for the week before is what causes all the conflicts forcing teams to scramble for players or just forfeit all together. Also how hard is it to email a goddamn field map? I must of been asking forty times where a field was. I was told that all the 8am games on Saturday were cancelled. Is that incorrect?

Fields are terrible, other than the turf. Rosters are thin and supplemented because travel kids already bailed. Whats the point? Do away with it already...

Does anyone know how the boys divisions will be set up this year? (2016) I am hearing strictly A/B/C. But in previous years it was A/1/2/3/4. With the A division being the so called elite town teams. Thanks in advance

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know how the boys divisions will be set up this year? (2016) I am hearing strictly A/B/C. But in previous years it was A/1/2/3/4. With the A division being the so called elite town teams. Thanks in advance

No elite division this year for 5th and 6th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know how the boys divisions will be set up this year? (2016) I am hearing strictly A/B/C. But in previous years it was A/1/2/3/4. With the A division being the so called elite town teams. Thanks in advance

PAL in our town is a joke. The director thinks that having kids pass the ball to someone who can't catch is a terrific way of keeping the town together. There needs to be an A and B at some point. I believe it should be at 5th grade.
Any thoughts?

We were asked to request A,B,C for our teams . Also the festival will not be mandatory this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know how the boys divisions will be set up this year? (2016) I am hearing strictly A/B/C. But in previous years it was A/1/2/3/4. With the A division being the so called elite town teams. Thanks in advance

PAL in our town is a joke. The director thinks that having kids pass the ball to someone who can't catch is a terrific way of keeping the town together. There needs to be an A and B at some point. I believe it should be at 5th grade.
Any thoughts?

What town?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know how the boys divisions will be set up this year? (2016) I am hearing strictly A/B/C. But in previous years it was A/1/2/3/4. With the A division being the so called elite town teams. Thanks in advance

PAL in our town is a joke. The director thinks that having kids pass the ball to someone who can't catch is a terrific way of keeping the town together. There needs to be an A and B at some point. I believe it should be at 5th grade.
Any thoughts?

Is any other town doing A & B teams for 5th grade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know how the boys divisions will be set up this year? (2016) I am hearing strictly A/B/C. But in previous years it was A/1/2/3/4. With the A division being the so called elite town teams. Thanks in advance

PAL in our town is a joke. The director thinks that having kids pass the ball to someone who can't catch is a terrific way of keeping the town together. There needs to be an A and B at some point. I believe it should be at 5th grade.
Any thoughts?

Separating your kids at any youth age will be the beginning of the end for your towns program. This trend started about four years ago and many not all but many are struggling to field teams in 6th grade. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know how the boys divisions will be set up this year? (2016) I am hearing strictly A/B/C. But in previous years it was A/1/2/3/4. With the A division being the so called elite town teams. Thanks in advance

PAL in our town is a joke. The director thinks that having kids pass the ball to someone who can't catch is a terrific way of keeping the town together. There needs to be an A and B at some point. I believe it should be at 5th grade.
Any thoughts?

Separating your kids at any youth age will be the beginning of the end for your towns program. This trend started about four years ago and many not all but many are struggling to field teams in 6th grade. Good luck.

Pequa is proving to do it best. We don't have any fall off of kids who want to play, only except for kids whose parents are making them play. The other big towns who don't separate a/b usually have people running their programs who really shouldn't be running them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know how the boys divisions will be set up this year? (2016) I am hearing strictly A/B/C. But in previous years it was A/1/2/3/4. With the A division being the so called elite town teams. Thanks in advance

PAL in our town is a joke. The director thinks that having kids pass the ball to someone who can't catch is a terrific way of keeping the town together. There needs to be an A and B at some point. I believe it should be at 5th grade.
Any thoughts?

There are Suffolk PAL teams that evaluate at 5th grade. There will inevitably be unhappy kids/parents; however, in the age of travel lax, many kids wouldn't do it if they had heterogeneous teams. Sports, at their core, are about competition. Eventually, parents need to understand this and promote proper placement.
Is any other town doing A & B teams for 5th grade?

PAL is a joke. To much politics and daddy coaches running around. Never based on talent just who knows the coach better and if your son plays the same position as his son, forget it. Stick with A travel better coaches and boys play where they belong based on skill and overall effort they put in.

PAL is the lowest common denominator for lacrosse on Long Island. It should be inclusive. There are numerous other outlets for your future D1 star to go play if he wants a more robust experience and not be with his town friends whether they can or can't catch and throw. Definitely no reason to separate prior to 5th grade. Lacrosse is a skill game and the skills of the B/c players younger than 5th are not there to carry a team on their own.

Our town split 2nd graders into an A and B team last spring. Yes, 2nd graders. Guess how well that worked out? Most of the B team quit. Some of the A team players were miserable trying to keep up with the higher tier A team kids playing in the A bracket. So it's likely that we eliminated at minimum ten to twelve 7 year olds from playing a sport. Brilliant. Did I mention the PAL (dad) head coach and genius engineer or this plan doesn't believe in club lacrosse? He says he can't afford it on his teacher's salary. Same genius who had his kid in tears at practice. He's the kind of winner I want to be my kid's role model.

We were faced this issues for my son. The only issue was we had a rare instance of 12+ boys who had an overall athletic aptitude. The problem was the town really didn't care and the coaches pushed their own agenda. The year had enough boys to carry two teams; the last 5/6 boys to round out the "better" team to 17 players and the top 3/4 on the second team (18 players) were hard to split and yes favors came to play. But many of the parents of the second team fought the process because they didn't want their son on a second team. Felt things were done sneaky. You realize after the years there is no easy way to do it.

I always thought PAL you split evenly and you form a "tournament team" of the better players. You practice twice a week. One as a grade and one day as a team (with the option of a second team day before games start).

I think the school coaches should have some involvement though. I've heard all the nightmares. Lived through a few. Good luck have fun and remember you are their parents and advocates. The boys will be friends for a long time they are building lifelong memories.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We were faced this issues for my son. The only issue was we had a rare instance of 12+ boys who had an overall athletic aptitude. The problem was the town really didn't care and the coaches pushed their own agenda. The year had enough boys to carry two teams; the last 5/6 boys to round out the "better" team to 17 players and the top 3/4 on the second team (18 players) were hard to split and yes favors came to play. But many of the parents of the second team fought the process because they didn't want their son on a second team. Felt things were done sneaky. You realize after the years there is no easy way to do it.

I always thought PAL you split evenly and you form a "tournament team" of the better players. You practice twice a week. One as a grade and one day as a team (with the option of a second team day before games start).

I think the school coaches should have some involvement though. I've heard all the nightmares. Lived through a few. Good luck have fun and remember you are their parents and advocates. The boys will be friends for a long time they are building lifelong memories.

There is no right answer to this, just people with different opinions. I've seen it from both sides with my kids. My older son was on a very good team and he was still developing. Of course, he was put at attack because PAL youth lax is middie-centric (ie; coaches let the best kids run the show instead of coaching the young young kids). He stood out there every game with his stick up, moving to get away from defenders, and never had a ball thrown his way. My other son is on a team of relative equals. It's the B team, but he is one of the better players and is an integral part of the team. They play against comparable teams and he loves it. I'm happier with this model because he comes off of the field happy and proud instead of sad and dejected like my older son did. Most kids don't care as much about A/B as the parents do. My older son put in the work and developed a little later than the other boys in his grade, but now he's a quality player on his school team. It's about player development and readiness more than it is about parental egotism. Let the kids play in an environment that will keep them positive and have them enjoy the sport.

You'll get, mostly the mom's upset about their son being labeled anything but an A player. So politically correct organizations have gone to colors. Know what happens when that lesser player plays with the better players? They won't pass them the ball. Kids figure out quickly who can/can't catch. Ive been coaching a long time (on all levels)and no matter how much you implore the kid to make the right play, in crunch time, they will throw it somewhere else. And you know what happens when that B/C player goes to middle school? They get cut. And you know what the parent says/does? Nothing. You know why? Because parents feel that a paid (most times a teacher) can cut their kid, but a volunteer (no matter their experience) must catch [lacrosse] if their son is labeled anything but the best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You'll get, mostly the mom's upset about their son being labeled anything but an A player. So politically correct organizations have gone to colors. Know what happens when that lesser player plays with the better players? They won't pass them the ball. Kids figure out quickly who can/can't catch. Ive been coaching a long time (on all levels)and no matter how much you implore the kid to make the right play, in crunch time, they will throw it somewhere else. And you know what happens when that B/C player goes to middle school? They get cut. And you know what the parent says/does? Nothing. You know why? Because parents feel that a paid (most times a teacher) can cut their kid, but a volunteer (no matter their experience) must catch [lacrosse] if their son is labeled anything but the best.

So true!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You'll get, mostly the mom's upset about their son being labeled anything but an A player. So politically correct organizations have gone to colors. Know what happens when that lesser player plays with the better players? They won't pass them the ball. Kids figure out quickly who can/can't catch. Ive been coaching a long time (on all levels)and no matter how much you implore the kid to make the right play, in crunch time, they will throw it somewhere else. And you know what happens when that B/C player goes to middle school? They get cut. And you know what the parent says/does? Nothing. You know why? Because parents feel that a paid (most times a teacher) can cut their kid, but a volunteer (no matter their experience) must catch [lacrosse] if their son is labeled anything but the best.

So true!

Yes my town is one of those P/C towns that went to colors...still many parents were pissed that their little Johnny wasn't on the Red team. They all felt the white wasn't good enough for their kid. Doesn't matter though, the coaches kids and his friends are not the best players but they play where they want. My kid plays attack and plays on one of the better club teams and is on the first line but I was told to go buy a long pole for him because he is playing defense this year. I asked why and was told that they needed him there. Doesn't matter that the kids playing attack cant catch or shoot straight. It's crazy but my son wants to play with his friends so I guess I'm spending some more money. in the long run it cant hurt that learns another position. I at least hope they have fun, isn't that what its all about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You'll get, mostly the mom's upset about their son being labeled anything but an A player. So politically correct organizations have gone to colors. Know what happens when that lesser player plays with the better players? They won't pass them the ball. Kids figure out quickly who can/can't catch. Ive been coaching a long time (on all levels)and no matter how much you implore the kid to make the right play, in crunch time, they will throw it somewhere else. And you know what happens when that B/C player goes to middle school? They get cut. And you know what the parent says/does? Nothing. You know why? Because parents feel that a paid (most times a teacher) can cut their kid, but a volunteer (no matter their experience) must catch [lacrosse] if their son is labeled anything but the best.

So true!

Yes my town is one of those P/C towns that went to colors...still many parents were pissed that their little Johnny wasn't on the Red team. They all felt the white wasn't good enough for their kid. Doesn't matter though, the coaches kids and his friends are not the best players but they play where they want. My kid plays attack and plays on one of the better club teams and is on the first line but I was told to go buy a long pole for him because he is playing defense this year. I asked why and was told that they needed him there. Doesn't matter that the kids playing attack cant catch or shoot straight. It's crazy but my son wants to play with his friends so I guess I'm spending some more money. in the long run it cant hurt that learns another position. I at least hope they have fun, isn't that what its all about.

Most youth PAL clubs don't value the attack position and hide kids there. They let the middies go coast to coast. So ridiculous. Your son's coach probably needs an athlete on defense but will probably move him to attack when they need a few goals. Many of these coaches don't know what they're doing.

the hiding players at attack only works till maybe 5th grade after that the coaches need to realize who doesn't have the wind but some sort of sports IQ.

What Towns have the most players in their PAL systems. Both Nassau and Suffolk?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You'll get, mostly the mom's upset about their son being labeled anything but an A player. So politically correct organizations have gone to colors. Know what happens when that lesser player plays with the better players? They won't pass them the ball. Kids figure out quickly who can/can't catch. Ive been coaching a long time (on all levels)and no matter how much you implore the kid to make the right play, in crunch time, they will throw it somewhere else. And you know what happens when that B/C player goes to middle school? They get cut. And you know what the parent says/does? Nothing. You know why? Because parents feel that a paid (most times a teacher) can cut their kid, but a volunteer (no matter their experience) must catch [lacrosse] if their son is labeled anything but the best.

So true!

Yes my town is one of those P/C towns that went to colors...still many parents were pissed that their little Johnny wasn't on the Red team. They all felt the white wasn't good enough for their kid. Doesn't matter though, the coaches kids and his friends are not the best players but they play where they want. My kid plays attack and plays on one of the better club teams and is on the first line but I was told to go buy a long pole for him because he is playing defense this year. I asked why and was told that they needed him there. Doesn't matter that the kids playing attack cant catch or shoot straight. It's crazy but my son wants to play with his friends so I guess I'm spending some more money. in the long run it cant hurt that learns another position. I at least hope they have fun, isn't that what its all about.

Most youth PAL clubs don't value the attack position and hide kids there. They let the middies go coast to coast. So ridiculous. Your son's coach probably needs an athlete on defense but will probably move him to attack when they need a few goals. Many of these coaches don't know what they're doing.

Thats the truth! Our town has coaches who never even played the game, and those who know the game are not allowed to coach because of politics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most youth PAL clubs don't value the attack position and hide kids there. They let the middies go coast to coast. So ridiculous.

The technical term we use is "bury them on attack". It is a viable strategy with the little ones until their skills catch up. And they might even get a goal from a GB even if they can't catch or pass. It does happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most youth PAL clubs don't value the attack position and hide kids there. They let the middies go coast to coast. So ridiculous.

The technical term we use is "bury them on attack". It is a viable strategy with the little ones until their skills catch up. And they might even get a goal from a GB even if they can't catch or pass. It does happen.

It's a cop-out strategy for coaches who lack the patience to work with young children. They'll never learn to play the position if they're not thrown the ball.

In my experience, it does change somewhat around 5th. I have seen the more aggressive Middies with good stick skills change to poles. I have seen the kids with the better stick skills, better hand eye coordination and a penchant for the game move to Attack. And the runners stay at middie.

Those kids who were buried at attack no longer have a place to play. get moved to 4th line middie Never a good thing to get buried on attack

Attack is becoming a very valuable and used position in youth lacrosse. Give me a kid with IQ and stick skills and I will show you an attackman that is game changing. A good attackman makes every player on the offense side of the ball better. Hiding a kid on attack is a tactic used at the 5--7 yr old level, once they are 9 and up those coaches that can find a kid who understands the position, has the IQ and can move the ball the right way, you have a triple threat at a position that wins games. Go to any good Travel team 9 and up and you will see how they utilize good attackmen on every play call. The way middies are moved on and off the field consistently in todays game makes the attack spot that much more important. coaches that are not utilizing this are falling way behind and it shows up in their record at the end of the season. Having a kid with speed run up the field at middie and dodge through 4 kids is no longer a viable play as they reach that 9-10+ year old age and actually will start to hurt the team. Yes I am a youth coach and no this is not a position my son plays but he does play D and I am seeing how good teams are putting much more faith in the attack position and its working.

At 4th grade and under, if you have middies that are both good and will pass the ball, and if you have attackmen that can catch and shoot, than you can light up the scoreboard. On my son's town team, the top athletes that could both run and had stick skills played middle. The more mediocre athletes who still could catch, cradle and shoot played attack. Kids who were none of this were hidden on defense, and supplemented by middies who were occasionally rotated back there. The key is to have a coach that stresses passing. A middle who runs through 4 kids and scores is a middle who is taken out and told to not do that again.

Can someone shed light on the Hofstra full day week long lacrosse summer camp? Is it worthwhile at the younger age levels?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone shed light on the Hofstra full day week long lacrosse summer camp? Is it worthwhile at the younger age levels?

It's a lot of lacrosse, but if that is what johnnie wants, it will be ok. They also break up the day to fit in some pool time. There are less expensive options but Hofstra runs a lot of camps and has the camp system down pretty solid. Still lots of young college player coaches and not all of them are good, more cellphone watching sometimes, but they are really all like that.

I agree, the top teams at k-3 that have a stud that does all the work, start to fade as the better passing teams catch up. I wish I could hide some players on a 4th line. I have 15 kids and maybe 8 athletes with 5 lax players.

by the end of the 4th grade season defenses get it and the game shifts to attacking the cage from behind with skilled attackman. up until then its usually your best middie(s) against their's. those middie driven teams sputter in 5th and 6th where you need offense and movement and not just one kid dominating...

maybe you should take the time and teach the players who are on ur 4th line....thats what good coaches do..not hide them...teach them..u never know they might be the next great one!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

maybe you should take the time and teach the players who are on ur 4th line....thats what good coaches do..not hide them...teach them..u never know they might be the next great one!!!

4th line??? Who actually has a 4th middie line? I have two! The 4th line should be the 1st line of the second team. Get more kids the minutes they need to improve.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

maybe you should take the time and teach the players who are on ur 4th line....thats what good coaches do..not hide them...teach them..u never know they might be the next great one!!!

4th line??? Who actually has a 4th middie line? I have two! The 4th line should be the 1st line of the second team. Get more kids the minutes they need to improve.

It's PAL, its a joke

Love the West Islip PAL dads decked out in there now dated matching State champ shirts and matching satin jackets...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

maybe you should take the time and teach the players who are on ur 4th line....thats what good coaches do..not hide them...teach them..u never know they might be the next great one!!!

4th line??? Who actually has a 4th middie line? I have two! The 4th line should be the 1st line of the second team. Get more kids the minutes they need to improve.

It's PAL, its a joke

Your kid must be really good since clearly you think he's too good to play PAL with his friends. Oh wait, he does have friends, right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

by the end of the 4th grade season defenses get it and the game shifts to attacking the cage from behind with skilled attackman. up until then its usually your best middie(s) against their's. those middie driven teams sputter in 5th and 6th where you need offense and movement and not just one kid dominating...

or until the middies learn to pass the ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

by the end of the 4th grade season defenses get it and the game shifts to attacking the cage from behind with skilled attackman. up until then its usually your best middie(s) against their's. those middie driven teams sputter in 5th and 6th where you need offense and movement and not just one kid dominating...

or until the middies learn to pass the ball.

A skilled attackman left one on one against a defender is a gift at any level.... Usually results in a goal, or feed off the double for a goal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most youth PAL clubs don't value the attack position and hide kids there. They let the middies go coast to coast. So ridiculous.

The technical term we use is "bury them on attack". It is a viable strategy with the little ones until their skills catch up. And they might even get a goal from a GB even if they can't catch or pass. It does happen.

It's a cop-out strategy for coaches who lack the patience to work with young children. They'll never learn to play the position if they're not thrown the ball.

No. The cop out is lazy parents who think practice is paid baby sitting and drop and go while their kid continues to flounder. Maybe the lazy parent could hang around and learn something then take little Johnny home and have a catch. Many kids 2nd grade and younger can't catch, they're young and they may not have developed the coordination for it. If a kid can't catch and throw somewhat reliably by 3rd-4th it is the parents fault for either a) not recognizing the kid doesn't want to play lacrosse or b) not helping their kid by spending some time with them.

No child is going to throw any other kid the ball if they don't think the kid can catch it. Complain all you want, change the rules to require passes, whatever. They won't do it and no coach can make them. The kids know and so does your son.

If Johnny can't catch, he's 8-9 years old and he's been involved in the sport for more than a season, IT'S YOUR FAULT parents. You never played lacrosse? No problem - get a baseball mitt and have a catch with that. Can't do that either? Wall ball works wonders. Coaches have you kid for maybe 3 hours a week max. What are you doing with the other 165 hours you have him? Or did he just move from the lacrosse babysitter to the Xbox babysitter?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most youth PAL clubs don't value the attack position and hide kids there. They let the middies go coast to coast. So ridiculous.

The technical term we use is "bury them on attack". It is a viable strategy with the little ones until their skills catch up. And they might even get a goal from a GB even if they can't catch or pass. It does happen.

It's a cop-out strategy for coaches who lack the patience to work with young children. They'll never learn to play the position if they're not thrown the ball.

No. The cop out is lazy parents who think practice is paid baby sitting and drop and go while their kid continues to flounder. Maybe the lazy parent could hang around and learn something then take little Johnny home and have a catch. Many kids 2nd grade and younger can't catch, they're young and they may not have developed the coordination for it. If a kid can't catch and throw somewhat reliably by 3rd-4th it is the parents fault for either a) not recognizing the kid doesn't want to play lacrosse or b) not helping their kid by spending some time with them.

No child is going to throw any other kid the ball if they don't think the kid can catch it. Complain all you want, change the rules to require passes, whatever. They won't do it and no coach can make them. The kids know and so does your son.

If Johnny can't catch, he's 8-9 years old and he's been involved in the sport for more than a season, IT'S YOUR FAULT parents. You never played lacrosse? No problem - get a baseball mitt and have a catch with that. Can't do that either? Wall ball works wonders. Coaches have you kid for maybe 3 hours a week max. What are you doing with the other 165 hours you have him? Or did he just move from the lacrosse babysitter to the Xbox babysitter?

I disagree. Kids develop at different stages. By shutting out a kid until he's in 5th grade is not the right strategy. Single parents with multiple kids or multiple jobs shouldn't sign their kids up for sports?? Youth sports. Town sports. Sorry Chief, your theory might apply to travel, but not youth. I've seen coaches as young as second grade make kids pass before they shoot. You know what happens? The team gets better. That's a fact. Sacrifice wins in second grade for a better functioning team in 4th or 5th. That's what a quality youth coach does.

Great post. Having coached PAL, practice is for teaching the game, not teaching how to catch and throw, that is on the parents. It's mind boggling that in our town some children still couldn't catch by 6th grade (I am talking children who had been playing since kindergarten). Where do you think their sticks go after practice and for the 9 months after the season? You guessed it, right into the closet. Those children only play the game to 1) please their parents or 2) to hang out with the perceived "cool" kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most youth PAL clubs don't value the attack position and hide kids there. They let the middies go coast to coast. So ridiculous.

The technical term we use is "bury them on attack". It is a viable strategy with the little ones until their skills catch up. And they might even get a goal from a GB even if they can't catch or pass. It does happen.

It's a cop-out strategy for coaches who lack the patience to work with young children. They'll never learn to play the position if they're not thrown the ball.

No. The cop out is lazy parents who think practice is paid baby sitting and drop and go while their kid continues to flounder. Maybe the lazy parent could hang around and learn something then take little Johnny home and have a catch. Many kids 2nd grade and younger can't catch, they're young and they may not have developed the coordination for it. If a kid can't catch and throw somewhat reliably by 3rd-4th it is the parents fault for either a) not recognizing the kid doesn't want to play lacrosse or b) not helping their kid by spending some time with them.

No child is going to throw any other kid the ball if they don't think the kid can catch it. Complain all you want, change the rules to require passes, whatever. They won't do it and no coach can make them. The kids know and so does your son.

If Johnny can't catch, he's 8-9 years old and he's been involved in the sport for more than a season, IT'S YOUR FAULT parents. You never played lacrosse? No problem - get a baseball mitt and have a catch with that. Can't do that either? Wall ball works wonders. Coaches have you kid for maybe 3 hours a week max. What are you doing with the other 165 hours you have him? Or did he just move from the lacrosse babysitter to the Xbox babysitter?

I disagree. Kids develop at different stages. By shutting out a kid until he's in 5th grade is not the right strategy. Single parents with multiple kids or multiple jobs shouldn't sign their kids up for sports?? Youth sports. Town sports. Sorry Chief, your theory might apply to travel, but not youth. I've seen coaches as young as second grade make kids pass before they shoot. You know what happens? The team gets better. That's a fact. Sacrifice wins in second grade for a better functioning team in 4th or 5th. That's what a quality youth coach does.

I never said kids don't develop at different stages, thats why I said 8-9 years old. I don't expect most kids who's never picked up a stick to pass and throw. It takes time and practice. One exception, Ive seen kids who play baseball pick it up super fast but they've already got some experience with the mechanics.

Your theory is bunk. I never know the score at a PAL game. If I wanted to know it, I just ask the kids (they always know by the way). I don't care, the purpose of PAL is to teach kids a game, have fun and hopefully kindle a love for the sport. A kid who can't catch isn't going to have fun. Period. And if they're not having fun they're not going to enjoy the sport. On top of that the kids who can catch will resent him which isn't a great environment for a kid. Like I said originally, it's no secret who can catch and throw. Every kid know it.

So if little Johnny's parent(s) helped him learn to catch and throw, coaches can spend their time teaching stuff like clears. Then we can pass the ball 4 or 5 times before going to goal. Because it is the right way to play, not some nit wit stupid rule about passing because no one throws the ball to little Johnny. You teach them to pass because thats how the game works. Because you can't outrun a thrown ball. Because thats lacrosse.

The kids that usually excel early have parents that have a clue about lacrosse. At least to have a catch in the back yard. But even if non-lacrosse parents do that, they can't help with technique. Many kids hold the stick in their palms like they are holding a baseball bat. But it needs to be held more like a golf club in the fingers. Non lacrosse parents aren't going to correct that. So some kids excel and others fall behind. Takes a patient coach to try and bring the others up to speed. But with limited practice time it's tough. Here's the reality. I can get my son piano lessons. But if he's only practicing with his piano teacher, it's unrealistic to think he's going to be as good as the piano teacher's kid or at least someone who is practicing on their own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most youth PAL clubs don't value the attack position and hide kids there. They let the middies go coast to coast. So ridiculous.

The technical term we use is "bury them on attack". It is a viable strategy with the little ones until their skills catch up. And they might even get a goal from a GB even if they can't catch or pass. It does happen.

It's a cop-out strategy for coaches who lack the patience to work with young children. They'll never learn to play the position if they're not thrown the ball.

No. The cop out is lazy parents who think practice is paid baby sitting and drop and go while their kid continues to flounder. Maybe the lazy parent could hang around and learn something then take little Johnny home and have a catch. Many kids 2nd grade and younger can't catch, they're young and they may not have developed the coordination for it. If a kid can't catch and throw somewhat reliably by 3rd-4th it is the parents fault for either a) not recognizing the kid doesn't want to play lacrosse or b) not helping their kid by spending some time with them.

No child is going to throw any other kid the ball if they don't think the kid can catch it. Complain all you want, change the rules to require passes, whatever. They won't do it and no coach can make them. The kids know and so does your son.

If Johnny can't catch, he's 8-9 years old and he's been involved in the sport for more than a season, IT'S YOUR FAULT parents. You never played lacrosse? No problem - get a baseball mitt and have a catch with that. Can't do that either? Wall ball works wonders. Coaches have you kid for maybe 3 hours a week max. What are you doing with the other 165 hours you have him? Or did he just move from the lacrosse babysitter to the Xbox babysitter?

I disagree. Kids develop at different stages. By shutting out a kid until he's in 5th grade is not the right strategy. Single parents with multiple kids or multiple jobs shouldn't sign their kids up for sports?? Youth sports. Town sports. Sorry Chief, your theory might apply to travel, but not youth. I've seen coaches as young as second grade make kids pass before they shoot. You know what happens? The team gets better. That's a fact. Sacrifice wins in second grade for a better functioning team in 4th or 5th. That's what a quality youth coach does.

I never said kids don't develop at different stages, thats why I said 8-9 years old. I don't expect most kids who's never picked up a stick to pass and throw. It takes time and practice. One exception, Ive seen kids who play baseball pick it up super fast but they've already got some experience with the mechanics.

Your theory is bunk. I never know the score at a PAL game. If I wanted to know it, I just ask the kids (they always know by the way). I don't care, the purpose of PAL is to teach kids a game, have fun and hopefully kindle a love for the sport. A kid who can't catch isn't going to have fun. Period. And if they're not having fun they're not going to enjoy the sport. On top of that the kids who can catch will resent him which isn't a great environment for a kid. Like I said originally, it's no secret who can catch and throw. Every kid know it.

So if little Johnny's parent(s) helped him learn to catch and throw, coaches can spend their time teaching stuff like clears. Then we can pass the ball 4 or 5 times before going to goal. Because it is the right way to play, not some nit wit stupid rule about passing because no one throws the ball to little Johnny. You teach them to pass because thats how the game works. Because you can't outrun a thrown ball. Because thats lacrosse.

At 8 years old, MOST kids can't catch and throw. The ones that can, well their parents think they're the next paul rabil and put them on a travel club so that they can have a brief 2-3 years of their kid being on a top club. I don't buy it. Coaches need to teach kids how to catch and throw and rep it a practice. That's what they're there for. That's what they signed up to do. Not to teach clears and the advantages of of 1-4-1 over a 1-3-2 or zone over man to 8 year olds. The problem is, that's a very difficult thing to do. It requires the patience that many coaches don't have. So what do they do? Bury them at attack, ignore them and hope they quit the game. Good job coach... makes perfect sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great post. Having coached PAL, practice is for teaching the game, not teaching how to catch and throw, that is on the parents. It's mind boggling that in our town some children still couldn't catch by 6th grade (I am talking children who had been playing since kindergarten). Where do you think their sticks go after practice and for the 9 months after the season? You guessed it, right into the closet. Those children only play the game to 1) please their parents or 2) to hang out with the perceived "cool" kids.

PAL is the place where kids are supposed to be able to pick up the stick for a few months. Not all kids want to play travel. PAL is the option for them. The coaches should know that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great post. Having coached PAL, practice is for teaching the game, not teaching how to catch and throw, that is on the parents. It's mind boggling that in our town some children still couldn't catch by 6th grade (I am talking children who had been playing since kindergarten). Where do you think their sticks go after practice and for the 9 months after the season? You guessed it, right into the closet. Those children only play the game to 1) please their parents or 2) to hang out with the perceived "cool" kids.

PAL is the place where kids are supposed to be able to pick up the stick for a few months. Not all kids want to play travel. PAL is the option for them. The coaches should know that.

PAL Should be an option for both the experienced player and beginner. How to make it work is the issue>

I hear what your saying, but the truth is most PAL coaches are dads of kids on the team. They have jobs and other kids like you, they are busy like you. They don't get paid and volunteer several hours a week. Instead of insulting them , coach yourself. Put up or shut up. I've coached PAL for my daughter and my son. We have a warm up catch for 10 minutes at practice ,that's it. After that its team lacrosse. I csnt spend my 90 min, twice a week teaching kids how to catch and throw. That in a large part has to be done at home. I tell my kids go 15 minutes a few days a week Some parents actually have a catch, some tell their kids to hit the rebounder, something. Some parents ignore me ,throw stick In closet to next practice, and when season is over, stick is in closet for several months. These are the kids that usually don't improve.

So, let's say 5th grade. If the PAL has 16 teams registered in A division, 24 teams in B division. And 20 teams in C division. Let's all pray to the gods that they schedule games according to TOWN LOCATION. Going from one corner of Nassau County to the opposite corner of Suffolk County for a single game when there are many other towns in between is ABSURD. Please PAL Directors, hook us coaches, parents and players up. We'll buy you dinner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, let's say 5th grade. If the PAL has 16 teams registered in A division, 24 teams in B division. And 20 teams in C division. Let's all pray to the gods that they schedule games according to TOWN LOCATION. Going from one corner of Nassau County to the opposite corner of Suffolk County for a single game when there are many other towns in between is ABSURD. Please PAL Directors, hook us coaches, parents and players up. We'll buy you dinner.

Hahaha great post. Seems logical, no? I wonder if they are even considering setting the scheduling up that way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear what your saying, but the truth is most PAL coaches are dads of kids on the team. They have jobs and other kids like you, they are busy like you. They don't get paid and volunteer several hours a week. Instead of insulting them , coach yourself. Put up or shut up. I've coached PAL for my daughter and my son. We have a warm up catch for 10 minutes at practice ,that's it. After that its team lacrosse. I csnt spend my 90 min, twice a week teaching kids how to catch and throw. That in a large part has to be done at home. I tell my kids go 15 minutes a few days a week Some parents actually have a catch, some tell their kids to hit the rebounder, something. Some parents ignore me ,throw stick In closet to next practice, and when season is over, stick is in closet for several months. These are the kids that usually don't improve.

Amen. And by-the-way, I never played a day of lacrosse in my life, yet my kid catches and throws like a champ since 1st, plays travel etc etc. In fact, I never played much sports at all - didn't like them at the time. So I learned the game with my kids because they enjoy it. Its fun. We have fun. Oh yeah, and I coach too. All it takes is giving a [lacrosse] enough to put forth some effort and freaking magic can happen.

Those things are learned by repetition. Muscle memory eventually takes over and they figure it out. Have a more fast paced practice with a ton of reps, I picked up swax lax balls for the beginners. Kids are afraid of them and they don't roll as far so your not wasting time chasing them.

Much of this back and forth is silly. For the younger ages at the Town level, its BOTH the parents AND coaches responsibility to work with the kids on skill development (catching, passing, cradling). Each side should not be pointing the finger at the other.

I am a parent, not a coach. My oldest child took an interest in lacrosse at a very young age because his friends were into it. He is not the greatest in terms of natural athletic ability. I spent a ton of time with him just getting him to be able to catch the ball. Even in the living room with soft underhand tosses. This allowed him to become a very good player - better than is athletic ability suggests he should be. He was also helped by the fact that for a period time his crew of friends had sticks in their hands everywhere they went. My younger son is more of a natural athlete so I just let him pick it up on his own and from just being with his brother.

The bottom line is that as a parent you have to know your kid and their inherent abilities. If your kid is not going to be catching the ball at 3rd/4th grade than you either have to work with him on it, or resign yourself to watching a kid struggle.

But more broadly, every community should have a lax program where every kid in town who wants to play gets to play. And this will include kids who won't catch the ball no matter how hard they work at home, and kids who won't catch the ball because they never pick up a stick other than at practice/games. It will include kids that seem like they hate lacrosse because they hate everything. It will include kids who are more into soccer and basketball and hockey. It will include all kinds of kids. Its very important for a community to offer this to their kids - not just lacrosse but other sports. Its up to the adults to integrate the kids in the best way possible. But every kid who wants to play lacrosse should have a team that he or she can be on.

When will the PAL schedule be released?

PAL is develomental, just like your local baseball little league is. Kids play the sport with classmates....the good, the bad, the indifferent. If you want something different, go to club lacrosse but you shouldn't try to change what PAL Lacrosse is meant to be.......just because you think your kid is better or actually is better than most of the other kids.

I agree PAL should be for everyone! I help coach my son's team. He is very skilled. There are other boys who aren't as skilled but love the game just as much as my son does. My boy wants to play with his friends. The kids he will be playing school ball with. He plays on a very good high profile travel team where he is on the higher end of the skill level and he loves it. I'm pretty sure if I told him that he had to give up one or the other, the travel team would go. While he has made many friends there they are not the boys that he spends his days with. He plays multiple sports with these same kids and wouldn't trade them for the world. For some of these kids being a part of a team and competing with their friends, win or lose, will be the highlight of their sports life. Let them ALL enjoy it.

Beautiful weather to get the boys outside. How many Towns have started?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beautiful weather to get the boys outside. How many Towns have started?

In my town it never ends.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beautiful weather to get the boys outside. How many Towns have started?

In my town it never ends.

Wow! It must be awesome to be killing it in PAL. I hear Petro has been sending top secret practice plans to all of you Dads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beautiful weather to get the boys outside. How many Towns have started?

In my town it never ends.

Wow! It must be awesome to be killing it in PAL. I hear Petro has been sending top secret practice plans to all of you Dads.

Wow! You are a funny guy!!! You should do a standup act! You're way to talented for BOTC

Thanks, finally someone has noticed my talent!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks, finally someone has noticed my talent!

Most of the kids of these parents play travel and PAL. You must be one of the chumps that think that your kid is too good for PAL. My kid loves his PAL team. No pressure. Your kid is missing out because his dad is a jerkoff.

PAL RULE CHANGE - it seems that PAL is adhering to the no "U" or "V" shooting strings this year. Time to restring all of those heads. Penalties will be imposed for all sticks with the banned strings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks, finally someone has noticed my talent!

Most of the kids of these parents play travel and PAL. You must be one of the chumps that think that your kid is too good for PAL. My kid loves his PAL team. No pressure. Your kid is missing out because his dad is a jerkoff.

Too funny my friend, of course my son plays PAL even though he is probably too good for it. He has fun until a jerkoff like you treats it like travel and over coaches and takes the fun out of it. If we are lucky, you might get hit in the nuts with one of your kids shots. I'm hopeful it happens.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL RULE CHANGE - it seems that PAL is adhering to the no "U" or "V" shooting strings this year. Time to restring all of those heads. Penalties will be imposed for all sticks with the banned strings.

Awful rule for the young kids. Can't see them imposing penalties on the younger grades

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL RULE CHANGE - it seems that PAL is adhering to the no "U" or "V" shooting strings this year. Time to restring all of those heads. Penalties will be imposed for all sticks with the banned strings.

Did this come out of the meeting last night in Merrick? I wasn't able to make it.

Not being implemented this season.

Nassau schedules out yet?

ummmm yes it is.....no Vs or Us..i know a ref who told me

Could not AGREE more with the write up on playing attack with good stick skills and lax IQ...at the 6th grade level, some of the best players with excellent coaching go to attack. You may have in the past buried the less skilled kids there, not anymore. I have seen them on the 3rd and 4th middie line...buried.

Any word on schedules yet?

For Nassau PAL I was told yesterday a couple of weeks. I'm guessing Directors will have them in a week or so and coaches 2 weeks or so. I believe the Ratings are done. That info is on tourney machine. But take that for what it is. I completely stumbled on that and did not get confirmation from PAL board.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not being implemented this season.

Got confirmation last night that there will be no U's or V's allowed and refs are instructed to check sticks. Whether or not it happens is another story

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not being implemented this season.

Got confirmation last night that there will be no U's or V's allowed and refs are instructed to check sticks. Whether or not it happens is another story

I was told not true also but who knows. I was also told Glove only checks. If this is true this is a big change.

Originally Posted by thavngr98

For Nassau PAL I was told yesterday a couple of weeks. I'm guessing Directors will have them in a week or so and coaches 2 weeks or so. I believe the Ratings are done. That info is on tourney machine. But take that for what it is. I completely stumbled on that and did not get confirmation from PAL board.

How do the divisions rank. Most have Red, white , blue and gold is red the highest or lowest. Or is it just mixed

Red = A
White = B
Blue = C
Gold = D

Originally Posted by thavngr98

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not being implemented this season.

Got confirmation last night that there will be no U's or V's allowed and refs are instructed to check sticks. Whether or not it happens is another story

I was told not true also but who knows. I was also told Glove only checks. If this is true this is a big change.

Our director told us that, yes, checks only to the gloves and head of the stick. Anything else, including the crosse, will be called a slash. There are going to be a TON of whistles! Better hope your kid is on man up or man down!

since the old school pal guys are slow to post, can someone post the teams/schedules for 4th grade boys for me please. thanks

Face off sticks have to have 6"s of tape at the neck, and not on the head. The tape has to contrast the color of the shaft and the head.

Can anyone summarize the PAL rules meeting. With little to no notice, nobody on our board was able to attend.
Checks only on glove?
No V or U shooting strings?

Relax. Nothing has changed, its all common sense stuff.

SCHEDULES!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SCHEDULES!!!!!!!!

Wk 1 - Play 20 miles east of your town
Wk 2 - Play 35 miles west of your town
Wk 3 - Play 25 miles northeast of your town

Doesn't matter that you have town clubs within a 5 mile radius that are perfectly fine..... If I'm in SW Suffolk, do I really need to be driving out to the east end multiple times?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SCHEDULES!!!!!!!!

1st game April 3rd. Settle down

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SCHEDULES!!!!!!!!

1st game April 3rd. Settle down

Who cares.... it's PAL

1st game April 3rd. Settle down[/quote]
Who cares.... it's PAL [/quote]

Did you ever consider that families have more than 1 kid playing "PAL" lacrosse? Believe it or not, there's more to life besides lacrosse! Times and places would help a lot so we can make the necessary arrangements to get to each sport!!
You're so obnoxious!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SCHEDULES!!!!!!!!

Wk 1 - Play 20 miles east of your town
Wk 2 - Play 35 miles west of your town
Wk 3 - Play 25 miles northeast of your town

Doesn't matter that you have town clubs within a 5 mile radius that are perfectly fine..... If I'm in SW Suffolk, do I really need to be driving out to the east end multiple times?

THEN DONT PLAY NASSAU PAL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SCHEDULES!!!!!!!!

Wk 1 - Play 20 miles east of your town
Wk 2 - Play 35 miles west of your town
Wk 3 - Play 25 miles northeast of your town

Doesn't matter that you have town clubs within a 5 mile radius that are perfectly fine..... If I'm in SW Suffolk, do I really need to be driving out to the east end multiple times?

THEN DONT PLAY NASSAU PAL

Sounds like his son is in Suffolk PAL if he lives in Suffolk and is driving out east to play....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1st game April 3rd. Settle down

Who cares.... it's PAL [/quote]

Did you ever consider that families have more than 1 kid playing "PAL" lacrosse? Believe it or not, there's more to life besides lacrosse! Times and places would help a lot so we can make the necessary arrangements to get to each sport!!
You're so obnoxious!!!

[/quote]

You need to complain to your PAL director. No one here will have them any sooner than you will. Sorry mom.

Teams from Nassau should play Nassau PAL. Teams in Suffolk should play Suffolk PAL. Problem solved. Plenty of competition for all teams and levels at this point, boys and girls. Or have 1 PAL league and schedule locally when teams are of the same level.

That's crazy if we do that how can my team with 25 kids with 6 grade holdback kids beat up on a team of 10 kids that just started playing with no pockets in their sticks?

What's up with the boys PAL Festival on 6/12? Hearing a lot of conflicting reports. Some say town optional. Some say mandatory w/penalty if skipped. Thx in advance

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's up with the boys PAL Festival on 6/12? Hearing a lot of conflicting reports. Some say town optional. Some say mandatory w/penalty if skipped. Thx in advance

Town optional event now

whats up with schedules? people have more than one kid and would like to plan accordingly. Under two weeks away and not out yet. Lets go guys....

Same post every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

whats up with schedules? people have more than one kid and would like to plan accordingly. Under two weeks away and not out yet. Lets go guys....

Hey genius! Next year, you schedule over 12000 games and see how long it takes you, and try to account for all the requests for game times and locations and the constant whining from people like you! The men and women who are putting the schedules together have jobs too! They are volunteering their time to get this all in place. Have some patience or step up, help out and volunteer your time! You are probably the same person who bitches and moans about tournament schedules three weeks before the tournament.

AMEN!!!! Step up or shut up!
BTW... what do the colors mean this year? Is Red "A", Blue "B"...?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AMEN!!!! Step up or shut up!
BTW... what do the colors mean this year? Is Red "A", Blue "B"...?

Someone posted on the previous page Red = A, White = B and so on

PAL=Daddy coaches. Waste of time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL=Daddy coaches. Waste of time.

You have a better alternative without breaking the bank? These guys are volunteering their time. Step up a grab a whistle if you can do it better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL=Daddy coaches. Waste of time.

You have a better alternative without breaking the bank? These guys are volunteering their time. Step up a grab a whistle if you can do it better.

He can't do better, that's for sure

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL=Daddy coaches. Waste of time.

You have a better alternative without breaking the bank? These guys are volunteering their time. Step up a grab a whistle if you can do it better.

He can't do better, that's for sure

I hate how the term "daddy coach" is used around here. Putting down guys who volunteer their time to coach other kids. Kinda pathetic

Why are "Daddy" coaches a waste of time? My son had excellent coaches who both played the game at a high level, played the kids equally and taught them skills and the game. My son has moved on from PAL but regards both his coaches as being the best he has had in terms of both teaching and motivating. Sorry to hear your experience was different. My other son had a paid trainer supplementing the parent coach because he admittedly felt he was stopped out in terms of his knowledge of the game and we've found his (the trainer)commitment to the team and kids was definitely not the same.

Our coach doesn't have a son on the team. He is very dedicated and has a huge part in the kids development. All the parents are thankful for his and the asst coaches dedication. No complaints here!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL=Daddy coaches. Waste of time.

Says the guy who doesn't know enough about lax to actually coach. My kid plays on a top tier travel team and loves playing with his buddies in PAL. But I guess not all kids have friends, huh?

All the above posts are awesome. nice to see some positive comments instead of disparaging. Yes, they give up a lot of their time away from the rest of their families to be with your kids. AMEN and than yuou.

Do most of you have schedules yet? Heard they are out but our coach is MIA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do most of you have schedules yet? Heard they are out but our coach is MIA

Suffolk, yes. Last week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL=Daddy coaches. Waste of time.

You have a better alternative without breaking the bank? These guys are volunteering their time. Step up a grab a whistle if you can do it better.

He can't do better, that's for sure

I hate how the term "daddy coach" is used around here. Putting down guys who volunteer their time to coach other kids. Kinda pathetic

They have a bias towards their own son. I've seen it on many teams. The better kids don't have a chance at competing for a spot that the Daddy coach's son is at. Facts are facts!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL=Daddy coaches. Waste of time.

You have a better alternative without breaking the bank? These guys are volunteering their time. Step up a grab a whistle if you can do it better.

He can't do better, that's for sure

I hate how the term "daddy coach" is used around here. Putting down guys who volunteer their time to coach other kids. Kinda pathetic

They have a bias towards their own son. I've seen it on many teams. The better kids don't have a chance at competing for a spot that the Daddy coach's son is at. Facts are facts!!

Please tell us your alternative to having dads coach PAL? You must share your plan with everyone. Let me guess, you sit on the sideline complaining that your kid is not getting enoutg PT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL=Daddy coaches. Waste of time.

You have a better alternative without breaking the bank? These guys are volunteering their time. Step up a grab a whistle if you can do it better.

He can't do better, that's for sure

I hate how the term "daddy coach" is used around here. Putting down guys who volunteer their time to coach other kids. Kinda pathetic

They have a bias towards their own son. I've seen it on many teams. The better kids don't have a chance at competing for a spot that the Daddy coach's son is at. Facts are facts!!

Please tell us your alternative to having dads coach PAL? You must share your plan with everyone. Let me guess, you sit on the sideline complaining that your kid is not getting enoutg PT.

Sounds like you're an oblivious Daddy coach or Mom. There should be tryouts for the position the kids want to play at, and then place the kids appropriately if another kid is better at that position.

First game just over a week away. Any word on the game schedules?

need Nassau 6th/5th, please post

Agree this is rediculous

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like you're an oblivious Daddy coach or Mom. There should be tryouts for the position the kids want to play at, and then place the kids appropriately if another kid is better at that position.

You know, I'm a hard core lax dad who spends every weekend driving up and down the Jersey Tpke and burns money on my kids lacrosse like its cool - and I've got to say - this is the stupidest thing I've ever read. Tryouts for PAL? You are a freaking idiot. Shoot the lock off your wallet and sign your kid up for travel you cheap [lacrosse]. You'll get your tryouts. Leave the casual kids alone and let them have fun. [lacrosse] hat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like you're an oblivious Daddy coach or Mom. There should be tryouts for the position the kids want to play at, and then place the kids appropriately if another kid is better at that position.

You know, I'm a hard core lax dad who spends every weekend driving up and down the Jersey Tpke and burns money on my kids lacrosse like its cool - and I've got to say - this is the stupidest thing I've ever read. Tryouts for PAL? You are a freaking idiot. Shoot the lock off your wallet and sign your kid up for travel you cheap [lacrosse]. You'll get your tryouts. Leave the casual kids alone and let them have fun. [lacrosse] hat.

What moron drives up and down the Jersey Tpke burning money?

[lacrosse] hat

Ok only a week away.....kind of need the schedules now fellas. What's the deal?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok only a week away.....kind of need the schedules now fellas. What's the deal?

Schedules are out. Sent to the directors on Thursday night.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok only a week away.....kind of need the schedules now fellas. What's the deal?

Schedules are out. Sent to the directors on Thursday night.

Well it's practically Sunday already. Issue them!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok only a week away.....kind of need the schedules now fellas. What's the deal?

Schedules are out. Sent to the directors on Thursday night.

Well it's practically Sunday already. Issue them!

ask your kids coach he has them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok only a week away.....kind of need the schedules now fellas. What's the deal?

Schedules are out. Sent to the directors on Thursday night.

Well it's practically Sunday already. Issue them!

ask your kids coach he has them

Already did, top secret it seems!

I am a head coach.....haven't heard a word. What gives??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a head coach.....haven't heard a word. What gives??

Call your town director. They have it, plus this year it will be online.

Going to be COLD Sunday!!!! Any idea if they will postpone?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be COLD Sunday!!!! Any idea if they will postpone?

doubt it....unless there is some heavy rain or snow. Many PAL sites are school fields. Schools will cancel if there is risk of chewing up the field. But cold doesn't damage the fields

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be COLD Sunday!!!! Any idea if they will postpone?

I doubt they will postpone unless its snowing or raining hard. Even then its at the discretion of the home team. Trust me a lot of issues last year with cancellations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok only a week away.....kind of need the schedules now fellas. What's the deal?

Schedules are out. Sent to the directors on Thursday night.

Well it's practically Sunday already. Issue them!

ask your kids coach he has them

Nassau PAL schedule is on Tourney Machine.

Already did, top secret it seems!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be COLD Sunday!!!! Any idea if they will postpone?

I doubt they will postpone unless its snowing or raining hard. Even then its at the discretion of the home team. Trust me a lot of issues last year with cancellations.

Yeah, last year sucked. We lost two games and they were never made up. Directors are not fond of rescheduling. Also, it's only an hour. Put the kid in sweat pants, under armor and medical gloves under his lax gloves and he'll be fine. Give him a jacket to wear on the sidelines if necessary.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be COLD Sunday!!!! Any idea if they will postpone?

I doubt they will postpone unless its snowing or raining hard. Even then its at the discretion of the home team. Trust me a lot of issues last year with cancellations.

Yeah, last year sucked. We lost two games and they were never made up. Directors are not fond of rescheduling. Also, it's only an hour. Put the kid in sweat pants, under armor and medical gloves under his lax gloves and he'll be fine. Give him a jacket to wear on the sidelines if necessary.

Medical gloves under lax gloves....that really work? Will give it a try

It makes their hands sweat! Try it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be COLD Sunday!!!! Any idea if they will postpone?

I doubt they will postpone unless its snowing or raining hard. Even then its at the discretion of the home team. Trust me a lot of issues last year with cancellations.

Yeah, last year sucked. We lost two games and they were never made up. Directors are not fond of rescheduling. Also, it's only an hour. Put the kid in sweat pants, under armor and medical gloves under his lax gloves and he'll be fine. Give him a jacket to wear on the sidelines if necessary.

Medical gloves under lax gloves....that really work? Will give it a try

Like a charm... Almost too well.

Actually, it does NOT work to keep their hands warm. It makes their hands sweat, which makes them wet, which makes them colder. Hand warmers in their gloves is all they need.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, it does NOT work to keep their hands warm. It makes their hands sweat, which makes them wet, which makes them colder. Hand warmers in their gloves is all they need.

Hand warmers? That's ridiculous. The gloves work. I've used them, my kids have used them, my teammates had used them. They work.

We keep recently fallen tauntauns on our sideline and slice there bellies open and have the kids stick their hands in there as soon as they come off the field to warm up. AD at High School gets annoyed when the coaches forget to remove the carcass after games though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We keep recently fallen tauntauns on our sideline and slice there bellies open and have the kids stick their hands in there as soon as they come off the field to warm up. AD at High School gets annoyed when the coaches forget to remove the carcass after games though.

My son almost quit his team because he couldn't take the smell though. Plus the tauntaun goo tends to get the hands too sticky

Do you people really think that you are funny? First of all I had to look up tauntaun online because I don't even know what the heck it is � not everybody is obsessed with Star Wars and knows what that creature even is. Why does everything have to be made so sarcastic all the time? Medical rubber gloves work totally fine. end of discussion. save your sarcasm for someone else.

Common, lighten up. I thought the Empire Strikes Back reference was funny. Loved the initial response as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you people really think that you are funny? First of all I had to look up tauntaun online because I don't even know what the heck it is � not everybody is obsessed with Star Wars and knows what that creature even is. Why does everything have to be made so sarcastic all the time? Medical rubber gloves work totally fine. end of discussion. save your sarcasm for someone else.

Prepare yourself for the complaints on Monday that their little babies were too cold. More like fat dad froze his [lacrosse] off on the sideline.

PAL football schedule is easy to get lax not so much

we played a team early last season and you could tell they were using holdback tauntauns. even the parents on the other team admitted it. probably going to get even more rampant this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you people really think that you are funny? First of all I had to look up tauntaun online because I don't even know what the heck it is � not everybody is obsessed with Star Wars and knows what that creature even is. Why does everything have to be made so sarcastic all the time? Medical rubber gloves work totally fine. end of discussion. save your sarcasm for someone else.

Prepare yourself for the complaints on Monday that their little babies were too cold. More like fat dad froze his [lacrosse] off on the sideline.

you attend PAL games? Really? like they matter? Jr. rides his bicycle to the field if he wants to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you people really think that you are funny? First of all I had to look up tauntaun online because I don't even know what the heck it is � not everybody is obsessed with Star Wars and knows what that creature even is. Why does everything have to be made so sarcastic all the time? Medical rubber gloves work totally fine. end of discussion. save your sarcasm for someone else.

Prepare yourself for the complaints on Monday that their little babies were too cold. More like fat dad froze his [lacrosse] off on the sideline.

you attend PAL games? Really? like they matter? Jr. rides his bicycle to the field if he wants to play.

Good material for him to share on his therapists couch in future years. Yes, I attend my sons PAL games because as a parent I enjoy watching him play a game that he loves...whether the games matter or not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you people really think that you are funny? First of all I had to look up tauntaun online because I don't even know what the heck it is � not everybody is obsessed with Star Wars and knows what that creature even is. Why does everything have to be made so sarcastic all the time? Medical rubber gloves work totally fine. end of discussion. save your sarcasm for someone else.

Prepare yourself for the complaints on Monday that their little babies were too cold. More like fat dad froze his [lacrosse] off on the sideline.

you attend PAL games? Really? like they matter? Jr. rides his bicycle to the field if he wants to play.

Good material for him to share on his therapists couch in future years. Yes, I attend my sons PAL games because as a parent I enjoy watching him play a game that he loves...whether the games matter or not.

Do you wipe his behind too?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you people really think that you are funny? First of all I had to look up tauntaun online because I don't even know what the heck it is � not everybody is obsessed with Star Wars and knows what that creature even is. Why does everything have to be made so sarcastic all the time? Medical rubber gloves work totally fine. end of discussion. save your sarcasm for someone else.

Prepare yourself for the complaints on Monday that their little babies were too cold. More like fat dad froze his [lacrosse] off on the sideline.

you attend PAL games? Really? like they matter? Jr. rides his bicycle to the field if he wants to play.

Good material for him to share on his therapists couch in future years. Yes, I attend my sons PAL games because as a parent I enjoy watching him play a game that he loves...whether the games matter or not.

Try using medical rubber on your cup. It will prevent you from having another PAL star.

Did they just cancel Tomorrow's games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did they just cancel Tomorrow's games?

Home team cancels games. Not PAL.

Suffolk or Nassua.

I think it is crazy to travel in Suffolk close to an hour for games I'm this potential weatjer

So it looks like some cancellations are happening already (early games) Gusts to 45 Wind chill down to 23 check emails

******** just cancelled

weather supposed to improve as day goes on.. Wind supposed to subside

Originally Posted by Anonymous

weather supposed to improve as day goes on.. Wind supposed to subside

Nope... Not getting any better today. Smart thing was to cancel because there are lots of fields where tree branches and other debris could hurt a kid or a spectator.

Or knock over my "coffee" cup

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or knock over my "coffee" cup

Irish coffee?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or knock over my "coffee" cup

Irish coffee?

Cant put one past you

Has anyone done the Suffolk PAL tourney? With while to do for fun?

Is Nassau going to update the tourney site or is that just for show.

Tourney Machine is for Scheduling ONLY.

Originally Posted by HarryJ

Tourney Machine is for Scheduling ONLY.

It's PAL, does anyone care who wins and loses? I guess only the towns that stack the teams instead of splitting them evenly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by HarryJ

Tourney Machine is for Scheduling ONLY.

It's PAL, does anyone care who wins and loses? I guess only the towns that stack the teams instead of splitting them evenly.

Only crazy mommy and daddy's care. Most PAL kids worry about what snack they are getting post game. Even the travel kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by HarryJ

Tourney Machine is for Scheduling ONLY.

It's PAL, does anyone care who wins and loses? I guess only the towns that stack the teams instead of splitting them evenly.

Only crazy mommy and daddy's care. Most PAL kids worry about what snack they are getting post game. Even the travel kids.

Not sure what you guys are talking about. Do your kids go to practice? The kids on my PAL team practice hard 3 times a week because they want to be better players and want to win. And it's been that way for many of them for years. No kid I know plays the game to lose. I guess there are teams in the C and D divisions for coaches and kids who don't care, but all of the teams I've played, coaches I've spoken to, parents I've spoken to and players I know keep score and work hard to win (travel kids included).

I think the majority of "c" and "d" players do actually care, as do the coaches that give up their time. They were not blessed to be lax studs but many still enjoy playing, being on a team and competing with their friends and working to get better--especially in the older grades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the majority of "c" and "d" players do actually care, as do the coaches that give up their time. They were not blessed to be lax studs but many still enjoy playing, being on a team and competing with their friends and working to get better--especially in the older grades.

Then we're in agreement, PAL matters to everyone that plays... except apparently the two guys who posted before.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by HarryJ

Tourney Machine is for Scheduling ONLY.

It's PAL, does anyone care who wins and loses? I guess only the towns that stack the teams instead of splitting them evenly.

Only crazy mommy and daddy's care. Most PAL kids worry about what snack they are getting post game. Even the travel kids.

Wrong. If we are playing a team that is getting blow out every week. We prepare at practice to move the ball for the game and not run up the score. If we are playing a team that is blowing everyone out, we prepare the kids that they will have to work hard on game day. Only crazy mommies and daddies come here to post when stupid falls out of their mouth. And by the way, I can't wait to go to the game this weekend and lose, said no kid ever.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by HarryJ

Tourney Machine is for Scheduling ONLY.

It's PAL, does anyone care who wins and loses? I guess only the towns that stack the teams instead of splitting them evenly.

I gues only in big bad travel games it's appropriate to keep scores. Sorry

From
Us little folk

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the majority of "c" and "d" players do actually care, as do the coaches that give up their time. They were not blessed to be lax studs but many still enjoy playing, being on a team and competing with their friends and working to get better--especially in the older grades.

Then we're in agreement, PAL matters to everyone that plays... except apparently the two guys who posted before.

And that is the point, everyone plays.

So when the less skilled player get in and the team loses, no one cares. If people really cared, the bench kids would never play and when they got in none of the good kids would pass the ball to them. So the way it is done in my town is they even out the teams and when that beginner/less skilled kid scores by a miracle, we all celebrate and have FUN...if you want to practice 3 times a week and play your starters all game, and stack your team and celebrate when your AAAAA team wins, go ahead. NO ONE CARES.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by HarryJ

Tourney Machine is for Scheduling ONLY.

It's PAL, does anyone care who wins and loses? I guess only the towns that stack the teams instead of splitting them evenly.

Only crazy mommy and daddy's care. Most PAL kids worry about what snack they are getting post game. Even the travel kids.

You obviously come from a C program. These boys are 10 or are going to be. You still bring snacks to the games???? Give away the stick man and go buy a mit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by HarryJ

Tourney Machine is for Scheduling ONLY.

It's PAL, does anyone care who wins and loses? I guess only the towns that stack the teams instead of splitting them evenly.

Only crazy mommy and daddy's care. Most PAL kids worry about what snack they are getting post game. Even the travel kids.

You obviously come from a C program. These boys are 10 or are going to be. You still bring snacks to the games???? Give away the stick man and go buy a mit.

You are telling me travel kids don't get snacks at tourneys? What are you feeding little Johnny...protein shakes and quinoa? Give me a break.

Because of the season and travel running earlier and earlier Pal is tough in the spring

shamalama ding dong

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by HarryJ

Tourney Machine is for Scheduling ONLY.

It's PAL, does anyone care who wins and loses? I guess only the towns that stack the teams instead of splitting them evenly.

Only crazy mommy and daddy's care. Most PAL kids worry about what snack they are getting post game. Even the travel kids.

You obviously come from a C program. These boys are 10 or are going to be. You still bring snacks to the games???? Give away the stick man and go buy a mit.

You are telling me travel kids don't get snacks at tourneys? What are you feeding little Johnny...protein shakes and quinoa? Give me a break.

Travel kids are on a field all day long. Snacks make sense in that scenario, but after a 40 minute PAL game? And if that's what your boy looks forward too on game day, move along man its not for you.

The tauntaun's worked awesome keeping our boys warm. Thanks for the advice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We keep recently fallen tauntauns on our sideline and slice there bellies open and have the kids stick their hands in there as soon as they come off the field to warm up. AD at High School gets annoyed when the coaches forget to remove the carcass after games though.

Best line on BOT! LMAO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the majority of "c" and "d" players do actually care, as do the coaches that give up their time. They were not blessed to be lax studs but many still enjoy playing, being on a team and competing with their friends and working to get better--especially in the older grades.

Then we're in agreement, PAL matters to everyone that plays... except apparently the two guys who posted before.

And that is the point, everyone plays.

So when the less skilled player get in and the team loses, no one cares. If people really cared, the bench kids would never play and when they got in none of the good kids would pass the ball to them. So the way it is done in my town is they even out the teams and when that beginner/less skilled kid scores by a miracle, we all celebrate and have FUN...if you want to practice 3 times a week and play your starters all game, and stack your team and celebrate when your AAAAA team wins, go ahead. NO ONE CARES.

Everyone on my team plays, a lot. We celebrate every score, every ground ball, every assist and save by the goalie. The best kid gets as much love as the worst. But make no mistake, they ALL care. So do the parents. If your kid doesn't care then he should join the chess club because he doesn't have a competitive bone in his body. In my experience, the parents that profess not to care usually care the most.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the majority of "c" and "d" players do actually care, as do the coaches that give up their time. They were not blessed to be lax studs but many still enjoy playing, being on a team and competing with their friends and working to get better--especially in the older grades.

Then we're in agreement, PAL matters to everyone that plays... except apparently the two guys who posted before.

And that is the point, everyone plays.

So when the less skilled player get in and the team loses, no one cares. If people really cared, the bench kids would never play and when they got in none of the good kids would pass the ball to them. So the way it is done in my town is they even out the teams and when that beginner/less skilled kid scores by a miracle, we all celebrate and have FUN...if you want to practice 3 times a week and play your starters all game, and stack your team and celebrate when your AAAAA team wins, go ahead. NO ONE CARES.

Everyone on my team plays, a lot. We celebrate every score, every ground ball, every assist and save by the goalie. The best kid gets as much love as the worst. But make no mistake, they ALL care. So do the parents. If your kid doesn't care then he should join the chess club because he doesn't have a competitive bone in his body. In my experience, the parents that profess not to care usually care the most.

Sorry Pal its only PAL! My son is a top kid on his team and is a top contributor on a travel team as well, at these games he feeds the ball to his teammates/buddies and hopes it banks in off a stick. If he wanted against most teams he could score a handful of goals a game, but he doesn't Because He Gets It. When its done he couldn't be happier and he and his buds are having a blast. We never talk about what the score was except in passing. Usually we get it wrong anyway. When he plays club, he cares. I don't ever care as long as he is working hard ...life is short, have fun and don't be that parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the majority of "c" and "d" players do actually care, as do the coaches that give up their time. They were not blessed to be lax studs but many still enjoy playing, being on a team and competing with their friends and working to get better--especially in the older grades.

Then we're in agreement, PAL matters to everyone that plays... except apparently the two guys who posted before.

And that is the point, everyone plays.

So when the less skilled player get in and the team loses, no one cares. If people really cared, the bench kids would never play and when they got in none of the good kids would pass the ball to them. So the way it is done in my town is they even out the teams and when that beginner/less skilled kid scores by a miracle, we all celebrate and have FUN...if you want to practice 3 times a week and play your starters all game, and stack your team and celebrate when your AAAAA team wins, go ahead. NO ONE CARES.

Everyone on my team plays, a lot. We celebrate every score, every ground ball, every assist and save by the goalie. The best kid gets as much love as the worst. But make no mistake, they ALL care. So do the parents. If your kid doesn't care then he should join the chess club because he doesn't have a competitive bone in his body. In my experience, the parents that profess not to care usually care the most.

Sorry Pal its only PAL! My son is a top kid on his team and is a top contributor on a travel team as well, at these games he feeds the ball to his teammates/buddies and hopes it banks in off a stick. If he wanted against most teams he could score a handful of goals a game, but he doesn't Because He Gets It. When its done he couldn't be happier and he and his buds are having a blast. We never talk about what the score was except in passing. Usually we get it wrong anyway. When he plays club, he cares. I don't ever care as long as he is working hard ...life is short, have fun and don't be that parent.

LOL..."don't be that parent", says the parent that opens his reply with bragging about how great his kid is.
You're kidding right????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the majority of "c" and "d" players do actually care, as do the coaches that give up their time. They were not blessed to be lax studs but many still enjoy playing, being on a team and competing with their friends and working to get better--especially in the older grades.

Then we're in agreement, PAL matters to everyone that plays... except apparently the two guys who posted before.

And that is the point, everyone plays.

So when the less skilled player get in and the team loses, no one cares. If people really cared, the bench kids would never play and when they got in none of the good kids would pass the ball to them. So the way it is done in my town is they even out the teams and when that beginner/less skilled kid scores by a miracle, we all celebrate and have FUN...if you want to practice 3 times a week and play your starters all game, and stack your team and celebrate when your AAAAA team wins, go ahead. NO ONE CARES.

Everyone on my team plays, a lot. We celebrate every score, every ground ball, every assist and save by the goalie. The best kid gets as much love as the worst. But make no mistake, they ALL care. So do the parents. If your kid doesn't care then he should join the chess club because he doesn't have a competitive bone in his body. In my experience, the parents that profess not to care usually care the most.

Sorry Pal its only PAL! My son is a top kid on his team and is a top contributor on a travel team as well, at these games he feeds the ball to his teammates/buddies and hopes it banks in off a stick. If he wanted against most teams he could score a handful of goals a game, but he doesn't Because He Gets It. When its done he couldn't be happier and he and his buds are having a blast. We never talk about what the score was except in passing. Usually we get it wrong anyway. When he plays club, he cares. I don't ever care as long as he is working hard ...life is short, have fun and don't be that parent.

Liar

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the majority of "c" and "d" players do actually care, as do the coaches that give up their time. They were not blessed to be lax studs but many still enjoy playing, being on a team and competing with their friends and working to get better--especially in the older grades.

Then we're in agreement, PAL matters to everyone that plays... except apparently the two guys who posted before.

And that is the point, everyone plays.

So when the less skilled player get in and the team loses, no one cares. If people really cared, the bench kids would never play and when they got in none of the good kids would pass the ball to them. So the way it is done in my town is they even out the teams and when that beginner/less skilled kid scores by a miracle, we all celebrate and have FUN...if you want to practice 3 times a week and play your starters all game, and stack your team and celebrate when your AAAAA team wins, go ahead. NO ONE CARES.

Everyone on my team plays, a lot. We celebrate every score, every ground ball, every assist and save by the goalie. The best kid gets as much love as the worst. But make no mistake, they ALL care. So do the parents. If your kid doesn't care then he should join the chess club because he doesn't have a competitive bone in his body. In my experience, the parents that profess not to care usually care the most.

Sorry Pal its only PAL! My son is a top kid on his team and is a top contributor on a travel team as well, at these games he feeds the ball to his teammates/buddies and hopes it banks in off a stick. If he wanted against most teams he could score a handful of goals a game, but he doesn't Because He Gets It. When its done he couldn't be happier and he and his buds are having a blast. We never talk about what the score was except in passing. Usually we get it wrong anyway. When he plays club, he cares. I don't ever care as long as he is working hard ...life is short, have fun and don't be that parent.

LOL..."don't be that parent", says the parent that opens his reply with bragging about how great his kid is.
You're kidding right????

OK score keeper, I get it, your kid never loses and your town is the champs of PAL. When is the parade? I hear its great.

Does anyone know what the deal was with that Rocky Point team at the William Floyd tournament this past Saturday? What grade was that team?

Looked like a 5th grade team , they were playing up against older kids from what I saw. They were not very good to be playing up.

quote=Anonymous]Does anyone know what the deal was with that Rocky Point team at the William Floyd tournament this past Saturday? What grade was that team? [/quote]

I heard the Bellport 8th grade team did very well - anyone see them?

Think that team had mostly 7th graders
And they weren't that good either .

quote=Anonymous]I heard the Bellport 8th grade team did very well - anyone see them? [/quote]

Which teams did they do well against??? CMON REALLY ?
Tournament had top program teams?

Does anyone have final scores of some of these teams that played? Bellport? Longwood? Rocky Point ? William Floyd ? who else??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard the Bellport 8th grade team did very well - anyone see them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard the Bellport 8th grade team did very well - anyone see them?

Mom, you forgot to say #deleted (aka, your son) was a beast out on the field. Dodge, Snipe, Fist Pump

Refs at Franklin Square vs Lynbrook game past Sunday were great! Called a tight game but explained to boys what the rule meant as it was being called. They were talking to the boys all game...great learning experience for them. Thanks guys!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Refs at Franklin Square vs Lynbrook game past Sunday were great! Called a tight game but explained to boys what the rule meant as it was being called. They were talking to the boys all game...great learning experience for them. Thanks guys!

Saw a game this weekend where the refs asked for Captains to be sent out and explained what they expected had the kids shake hands and I thought that was great. They also explained penalties that wee called to the kids as well. Just a very good job.

It isn't always bad.

this weekend we see the beginning of the end. Nassau doesn't post the records, can they be found somewhere?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

this weekend we see the beginning of the end. Nassau doesn't post the records, can they be found somewhere?

The scores are posted by the refs up on their Horizon website. Access to this site is only given to PAL coaches, directors and the refs. They do not keep standings.

last weekend in Nassau PAL. Whew, thought it would never end.

Sorry to bore you. Don't sign Jr. up next year then. Went fast for us. But I guess we liked watching the kids have fun and learn more about the game.

Sounds like there could be a better setup for the information platform. You should look at how the CONNY organization is set up. There is a central clearinghouse website where all games are scheduled and then scores are input. Anybody can see the game schedules and results for every age team from every town. Scores are only posted for U11 on up (basically 4th grade and only). For those not aware, CONNY is the program that all the primary town programs in CT and part of Westchester participate in. For reference, I am from CT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to bore you. Don't sign Jr. up next year then. Went fast for us. But I guess we liked watching the kids have fun and learn more about the game.

Too many pansy d-bags like you around giving everyone a trophy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to bore you. Don't sign Jr. up next year then. Went fast for us. But I guess we liked watching the kids have fun and learn more about the game.

Too many pansy d-bags like you around giving everyone a trophy.

Who said anything about trophies? It's the one time he plays with kids he knows in town. He has fun. From your reaction I can tell you never played a sport or won much, otherwise you'd be ok with your kid doing something just for the sake of doing it. As I said mr serious, just tell your kid he can't play and be honest with your rationale for it. I'm sure a kid will understand. And just think, you'll get back all 7 or 8 of those Sunday mornings back. All that extra time to have a championship at the breakfast table over who ate the most pancakes. You can probably make up at shirt for it on the web.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to bore you. Don't sign Jr. up next year then. Went fast for us. But I guess we liked watching the kids have fun and learn more about the game.

Too many pansy d-bags like you around giving everyone a trophy.

Who said anything about trophies? It's the one time he plays with kids he knows in town. He has fun. From your reaction I can tell you never played a sport or won much, otherwise you'd be ok with your kid doing something just for the sake of doing it. As I said mr serious, just tell your kid he can't play and be honest with your rationale for it. I'm sure a kid will understand. And just think, you'll get back all 7 or 8 of those Sunday mornings back. All that extra time to have a championship at the breakfast table over who ate the most pancakes. You can probably make up at shirt for it on the web.

Love it!!! Couldn't agree more

My son, who is now a Varsity player, started playing PAL Lax in 3rd grade and played thru 6th in Nassau. Never kept standings and never got a " participation trophy". What he did get was the following:
1 introduction to a game he had never even thought about before PAL and which he now loves and enjoys
2. A weekend morning hanging with dad
3. Chance for him ( and me as well) to make new friends, some of whom he is still playing with today in HS

Let ur son enjoy his pre MS lacrosse days and have fun. if you want him in serious competition at 9 years go with a travel team.

So relieved it's over. Too many non lax daddy coaches whose sons ball hog and can't score or fees an open player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to bore you. Don't sign Jr. up next year then. Went fast for us. But I guess we liked watching the kids have fun and learn more about the game.

Too many pansy d-bags like you around giving everyone a trophy.

Who said anything about trophies? It's the one time he plays with kids he knows in town. He has fun. From your reaction I can tell you never played a sport or won much, otherwise you'd be ok with your kid doing something just for the sake of doing it. As I said mr serious, just tell your kid he can't play and be honest with your rationale for it. I'm sure a kid will understand. And just think, you'll get back all 7 or 8 of those Sunday mornings back. All that extra time to have a championship at the breakfast table over who ate the most pancakes. You can probably make up at shirt for it on the web.

Love it!!! Couldn't agree more

Two Pansy's

our coach is tough, but I'm fine with that. Our team has gotten better and better each year. The only reason I'm glad its coming to an end is the conflict. PAL coaches resent you not coming to go to travel practices/games, and travel coaches get annoyed that your not dedicating yourself to the tourney team. Kids want to do both, but parents AND kids both feel the pressure of not attending one. It should not be that way. PAL is 2 months, let the kids play PAL without having the travel pressure. Our PAL coach has practices 3 days a week and game on sunday, so he gets a good run for the week. Just my thoughts.

totally agree with above post. My sons play on high level travel teams and wish the travel directors would give it a break for the 2 months PAL is in session so the kids don't feel the conflict and they can develop with their own classmates... would make everyone's life easier.

Probably a better question for my local PAL director but what the heck why not get this thread's view on this. So the coaches on my 4th graders team I think are fine, but their philosophy definitely is win first (of course they don't come outright and say it), which means if it's a close game, some kids are lucky to get any minutes. My understanding is that this is against the spirit of what PAL is supposed to be. Am I wrong with this line of thinking? I mean look I get it, better players get more minutes, but to have kids not play at all, or just 2 minutes seems wrong. Let me know if I'm off base. Thanks

Its PAL, the lowest level of lax. All kids should play equal in PAL games. If its a tournament team outside of PAL games--all bets are off, play to win. I am a director and a coach and that is how we do it. If a kid doesn't come to practice--different story, his playing time may be affected.

Does anyone know of any summer leagues or clinics for PAL/town teams (2nd grade) in central/eastern Suffolk? Not much on the other threads.
Thanks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably a better question for my local PAL director but what the heck why not get this thread's view on this. So the coaches on my 4th graders team I think are fine, but their philosophy definitely is win first (of course they don't come outright and say it), which means if it's a close game, some kids are lucky to get any minutes. My understanding is that this is against the spirit of what PAL is supposed to be. Am I wrong with this line of thinking? I mean look I get it, better players get more minutes, but to have kids not play at all, or just 2 minutes seems wrong. Let me know if I'm off base. Thanks

For PAL...for 4th grade... you are correct. The purpose is to still expose ALL kids to game concepts and split time evenly. That is the perfect world scenario. Do we live in a perfect world, where everything that is supposed to happen does? No.

Your PAL director will give you the most specific answer for your town and how they approach things. Many will say "Yes, we split time and/or teams evenly" and many of those towns then churn out deep talent at higher grades as kids mature at a different rate. Most important thing at this age (and even younger) is practice & game reps. Very easy to coach the most "natural athlete" when they are young, but some of the shining stars at the HS/college level may be the bottom of the roster kids now, or potentially haven't picked up a stick yet. It's not a surprise that towns that follow this are consistently ranked among the best HS programs on LI

Other organizations say they split equally, and do the exact opposite. And you can see that right away and it is unfortunate when coaches don't give attention to the full roster. For PAL, we're all paying the same amount. PAL isn't designed to be club lacrosse. It is still about learning.

My boys are lucky enough to not be in one of these towns. If we were, my younger son would be on the fast track, whereas my older guy would have been given no attention and left to flounder until he ultimately gave up. But with the attention of his PAL coaches thru the years (and some at home practice with me & some clinics along the way) he has become a 10th grade Varsity starter in a top-level high school program with a realistic shot at playing D1 or D2.

Listen, I get it. Everyone wants to win but some towns identify winning differently. I haven't heard of many towns that tout that their 4th grade PAL team went undefeated......but LI/state championships are counted!!

Good luck to your son
And I hope you don't get bashes on here for asking a normal question

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know of any summer leagues or clinics for PAL/town teams (2nd grade) in central/eastern Suffolk? Not much on the other threads.
Thanks.

Contact the ESM LAX director. They are running a summer league

Thanks, I sent them an email on their website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably a better question for my local PAL director but what the heck why not get this thread's view on this. So the coaches on my 4th graders team I think are fine, but their philosophy definitely is win first (of course they don't come outright and say it), which means if it's a close game, some kids are lucky to get any minutes. My understanding is that this is against the spirit of what PAL is supposed to be. Am I wrong with this line of thinking? I mean look I get it, better players get more minutes, but to have kids not play at all, or just 2 minutes seems wrong. Let me know if I'm off base. Thanks

For PAL...for 4th grade... you are correct. The purpose is to still expose ALL kids to game concepts and split time evenly. That is the perfect world scenario. Do we live in a perfect world, where everything that is supposed to happen does? No.

Your PAL director will give you the most specific answer for your town and how they approach things. Many will say "Yes, we split time and/or teams evenly" and many of those towns then churn out deep talent at higher grades as kids mature at a different rate. Most important thing at this age (and even younger) is practice & game reps. Very easy to coach the most "natural athlete" when they are young, but some of the shining stars at the HS/college level may be the bottom of the roster kids now, or potentially haven't picked up a stick yet. It's not a surprise that towns that follow this are consistently ranked among the best HS programs on LI

Other organizations say they split equally, and do the exact opposite. And you can see that right away and it is unfortunate when coaches don't give attention to the full roster. For PAL, we're all paying the same amount. PAL isn't designed to be club lacrosse. It is still about learning.

My boys are lucky enough to not be in one of these towns. If we were, my younger son would be on the fast track, whereas my older guy would have been given no attention and left to flounder until he ultimately gave up. But with the attention of his PAL coaches thru the years (and some at home practice with me & some clinics along the way) he has become a 10th grade Varsity starter in a top-level high school program with a realistic shot at playing D1 or D2.

Listen, I get it. Everyone wants to win but some towns identify winning differently. I haven't heard of many towns that tout that their 4th grade PAL team went undefeated......but LI/state championships are counted!!

Good luck to your son
And I hope you don't get bashes on here for asking a normal question

Greatly appreciate your input. I've been coaching town youth sports (not lacrosse) at this age and below for several years now and my personal philosophy at this age is everyone plays. Yes sometimes the minutes favor the better players, but everyone plays. I would have expected PAL to to share the same (sounds like they do).

PAL does! They have written guidelines. Its up to the directors to enforce with their coaches and to get feedback from all the parents to make sure that is how it is playing out. Of course there are aberrations, but on the whole you want to strive for equal time.

most towns have at least two teams. Thus one should be a more competitive team and the other more a learning team. Some of the boys want to play with a more competitive group while the boys who are still learning can develop with lots of pt. I think this is the way to go. Thus in 4th grade they have A/B/C/D divisions.

You are incorrect. The divisions are strictly so that PAL can match teams up based on last year's records so there are fewer lopsided games. The only time there should be an "a" team is fifth grade and above IF THE TOWN CHOOSES TO ENTER THEMBINTO THIS DIVISION. This, in my opinion divides a town into the "us" and "them". It's not good for the community, it's not good for the boys. The only thing it is good for is to stroke egos. If you want to be in an A team then play travel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

most towns have at least two teams. Thus one should be a more competitive team and the other more a learning team. Some of the boys want to play with a more competitive group while the boys who are still learning can develop with lots of pt. I think this is the way to go. Thus in 4th grade they have A/B/C/D divisions.

totally agree with this

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are incorrect. The divisions are strictly so that PAL can match teams up based on last year's records so there are fewer lopsided games. The only time there should be an "a" team is fifth grade and above IF THE TOWN CHOOSES TO ENTER THEMBINTO THIS DIVISION. This, in my opinion divides a town into the "us" and "them". It's not good for the community, it's not good for the boys. The only thing it is good for is to stroke egos. If you want to be in an A team then play travel.

I can see how this could happen. I always viewed the young PAL years as more learning focused and kids getting to play with their friends as opposed to trying to win. "Win first" can be done at the travel level in my opinion

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are incorrect. The divisions are strictly so that PAL can match teams up based on last year's records so there are fewer lopsided games. The only time there should be an "a" team is fifth grade and above IF THE TOWN CHOOSES TO ENTER THEMBINTO THIS DIVISION. This, in my opinion divides a town into the "us" and "them". It's not good for the community, it's not good for the boys. The only thing it is good for is to stroke egos. If you want to be in an A team then play travel.

So true, absolutely divides into the haves and have nots. The resources are not the same for all teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are incorrect. The divisions are strictly so that PAL can match teams up based on last year's records so there are fewer lopsided games. The only time there should be an "a" team is fifth grade and above IF THE TOWN CHOOSES TO ENTER THEMBINTO THIS DIVISION. This, in my opinion divides a town into the "us" and "them". It's not good for the community, it's not good for the boys. The only thing it is good for is to stroke egos. If you want to be in an A team then play travel.

I can see how this could happen. I always viewed the young PAL years as more learning focused and kids getting to play with their friends as opposed to trying to win. "Win first" can be done at the travel level in my opinion

come on guys...its not the pros but the whole object of sport is to win! Compete! Stop with the baby stuff. I said the kids that are still developing should play in the lower division with other teams that are at the same level There is nothing wrong with that. Lets the more developed players play in a more competitive division. Everyone wins! Otherwise you'll discourage good players from even bothering with PAL.

What division is this in? Not that it matters but It would make more sense in an A division.
I love the 4th grade PAL coaches that believe they are coaching a D1 team in a championship game. Even sadder is coaches in B or C divisions not equally playing their kids while they are running up the score or playing for a blowout/shutout. I don't think PAL gives you anything for going undefeated in 4th grade PAL lacrosse. You just turn 10 year-olds away from lacrosse. But Baseball and Soccer will thank you.

4th grade soccer , 4th grade football, even CYO basketball is competitive, why do people have a problem with Lax?

As a coach and director, I have seen entire teams with all travel kids in lower divisions. Then when asking the coach of that team or even worse the PAL league you get, " This is where they put us." And, " Well they asked to be put there and sorry to hear that happened." So I am happy that your travel team is playing in the 4th division and goes undefeated!

The Towns that run true balanced teams all the way through NCPAL are some of the strongest Varsity programs on LI. If your town runs NCPAL with a A/C structure win at all cost model you will have a weak Varsity team and barely be able to field a JV and MS teams. PAL victories mean nothing....State Championships go to the towns that balance the youth programs. Let the better kids learn to play with their friends and most importantly learn how to make the kids around them better. There is nothing better than seeing one of my better players consistently make the correct feed to a kid that is wide open. It doesn't matter that the kid may not catch the ball. What matters is that the correct lacrosse play was made.

Agreed!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4th grade soccer , 4th grade football, even CYO basketball is competitive, why do people have a problem with Lax?

No problem with Lax. PAL Lacrosse's purpose is developmental. CYO basketball and travel soccer have tryouts and is not developmental. PAL has its purpose, if you don't like it, don't have your son play it.

You are so right Mr. LarryMiller, farmingdales 2011 state champs were split talent wise in pal rite down the middle from the getgo. end result says it all

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Towns that run true balanced teams all the way through NCPAL are some of the strongest Varsity programs on LI. If your town runs NCPAL with a A/C structure win at all cost model you will have a weak Varsity team and barely be able to field a JV and MS teams. PAL victories mean nothing....State Championships go to the towns that balance the youth programs. Let the better kids learn to play with their friends and most importantly learn how to make the kids around them better. There is nothing better than seeing one of my better players consistently make the correct feed to a kid that is wide open. It doesn't matter that the kid may not catch the ball. What matters is that the co6vrrect lacrosse play was made.

Wish BOTC had a "like" button for this post.

Win now, lose later. Develop now, win later

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4th grade soccer , 4th grade football, even CYO basketball is competitive, why do people have a problem with Lax?

No problem with Lax. PAL Lacrosse's purpose is developmental. CYO basketball and travel soccer have tryouts and is not developmental. PAL has its purpose, if you don't like it, don't have your son play it.

PAL is competitive because it's based on children playing sports. Football and lax have different divisions so that stronger players play in stronger division and weaker players play in weaker divisions. That's the model. And it works. Most towns have evaluations starting in 4th grade (for many players, this is year 4) to allow the more advanced kids to play other advanced kids while allowing the newer/developmental players to compete against similar players. This model gives every player an opportunity to play and enjoy the game while enhancing/advancing their skill set (regardless of where that level is). There is no relationship between PAL and travel. They are mutually exclusive. Some parents don't want to put their children on travel teams. Some children don't want to play on them. some can't afford an extra $4000 per child. Are there travel teams for football? No. So, by your argument, those kids should have no competitive outlet to play the sport? That makes no sense. Sports are competitive. Maybe you should just enroll your child in clinics. That seems like what you're looking for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are so right Mr. LarryMiller, farmingdales 2011 state champs were split talent wise in pal rite down the middle from the getgo. end result says it all

You're referring to kids who started playing PAL 16 years ago. You don't think the lax climate has changed in the last 16 years? Did they win 12 Championships? Because by your logic, that system should churn out repetitive winners, not just one year. Does Smithtown have balanced teams? Ward Melville? West Islip? Connetquot? Manhasset? Bayport? I'll answer for you. No, No, No, No, No and No. And they never have. Spare me you singular antiquated example. Lacrosse has become even more competitive in the last 15 years because everyone is hoping to get that elusive scholarship. PAL has evolved. The club scene has to. Maybe you should realize that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Towns that run true balanced teams all the way through NCPAL are some of the strongest Varsity programs on LI. If your town runs NCPAL with a A/C structure win at all cost model you will have a weak Varsity team and barely be able to field a JV and MS teams. PAL victories mean nothing....State Championships go to the towns that balance the youth programs. Let the better kids learn to play with their friends and most importantly learn how to make the kids around them better. There is nothing better than seeing one of my better players consistently make the correct feed to a kid that is wide open. It doesn't matter that the kid may not catch the ball. What matters is that the correct lacrosse play was made.

Wish BOTC had a "like" button for this post.

Win now, lose later. Develop now, win later

Thank you I am just telling it the way we do it in our town. Every year someone brings up the great idea of having "A" teams..."that the better kids deserve to play with the best". This usually happens at the 3rd grade level. Fortunately we are able to say no and move on with a balanced system. It works trust me,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are so right Mr. LarryMiller, farmingdales 2011 state champs were split talent wise in pal rite down the middle from the getgo. end result says it all

You're referring to kids who started playing PAL 16 years ago. You don't think the lax climate has changed in the last 16 years? Did they win 12 Championships? Because by your logic, that system should churn out repetitive winners, not just one year. Does Smithtown have balanced teams? Ward Melville? West Islip? Connetquot? Manhasset? Bayport? I'll answer for you. No, No, No, No, No and No. And they never have. Spare me you singular antiquated example. Lacrosse has become even more competitive in the last 15 years because everyone is hoping to get that elusive scholarship. PAL has evolved. The club scene has to. Maybe you should realize that.

West Islip Girls & Boys balance teams for NCPAL.

PAL programs are run by parents. If you have a town with parents who played the sport themselves, the PAL program will be strong. What town PAL has input from the Varsity coach?

THe probelm with PAL is when you had a few towns stacking their teams and ripping through PAL leagues. The Top division was formed a few years ago for town that insisted upon doing that but then guess what, half those towns opted out of that division and went to divivion 2. So despite PAL's effort to keep each division competitive the plan was circumvented by overzealous town directors that only cared about winning. The problem with going A/B too early (4th grade?) is that the skills are not developed enough for the B kids yet to be able to carry a team. If a twon only puts out 1 team or has a tryout then PAL should mandate that team goes to D1. As long as there is a fair outlet for all the kids to play, then do it how your town wants but play in the appropriate division.

I'm from WI. That's not true, despite what they try to make you think.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are so right Mr. LarryMiller, farmingdales 2011 state champs were split talent wise in pal rite down the middle from the getgo. end result says it all

Their teams are not split down the middle now...2024 has an A team and a C team. 2023 is A and D. 2022 is A and C.

Let's not get crazy here...the Dalers split based on talent

What's not true?

Riddle me this... Why does West Islip play in Nassau PAL?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL programs are run by parents. If you have a town with parents who played the sport themselves, the PAL program will be strong. What town PAL has input from the Varsity coach?

Massapequa

There is nothing to win in pal lacrosse. These coaches hide behind the notion of I'm trying to win the game as opposed to playing everyone equally(at least until last 5 minutes). The biggest sin apalogize coach can commit is turning a kid off from a sport. I have been coaching pal basketball for 10 years and I think I'm the only idiot that doesn't favor my son ansd plays everyone equally. Lose the ego guys. You are only coaching because u have more time than other parents. That doesn't give you the right to play your son whole game and have him run up middle and get annihilated and lose ball constantly. Also , kids who make practice should automatically start games and be rewarded. Kids who have soccer , baseball , travel should not be rewarded by starting especially when coach is only a dad and isn't qualified to judge a kids talent in 8th grade or under. Pal is a learning league. If your first object is to win the game get a travel team with 5 of your friends and their sons and get your butts kicked in watered down travel leagues. PAL has been ruined as coaches are in it to showcase their sons who stink. Btw my son stinks too. Doesn't mean he shouldn't be taught or turned off by unqualified coaches

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are so right Mr. LarryMiller, farmingdales 2011 state champs were split talent wise in pal rite down the middle from the getgo. end result says it all

You're referring to kids who started playing PAL 16 years ago. You don't think the lax climate has changed in the last 16 years? Did they win 12 Championships? Because by your logic, that system should churn out repetitive winners, not just one year. Does Smithtown have balanced teams? Ward Melville? West Islip? Connetquot? Manhasset? Bayport? I'll answer for you. No, No, No, No, No and No. And they never have. Spare me you singular antiquated example. Lacrosse has become even more competitive in the last 15 years because everyone is hoping to get that elusive scholarship. PAL has evolved. The club scene has to. Maybe you should realize that.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.... I am a current PAL coach for one of those towns that you mentioned. In the early years of PAL (3rd/4th grade), we split talent evenly across our 2 teams.

Yes, we have a tournament team to offer the more skilled better competition. There are evaluations/tryouts for that team....but that is not PAL

For the same reason most Suffolk towns (on the Nassau border) play for NCPAL, they would rather drive to an away game at Farmingdale or Massapequa rather than drive an hour to EasT Hampton, Shoreham, Riverhead, etc.

Garden City

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL programs are run by parents. If you have a town with parents who played the sport themselves, the PAL program will be strong. What town PAL has input from the Varsity coach?

Massapequa

PAL in Garden City. I have sons that play in PAL. I am involved and the GCHS head coach has never been involved with any of my kids greades. I wish he would be involved volunteering his time for all grades because he is a great coach and great with kids but he cant because his program is still in the playoffs for lax. GC has balanced team in 2,3 and 4th grade. 5th and 6th grade they tryout for A,B,C. The PAL program is great for ALL involved. The girls PAL program is great also.

Agreed. I have 2 sons at way different skill levels. Both enjoy the game. How would they get up early for schoolball weekend workouts in this monsoon weather unless they loved the game. That's what PAL creates.

P.s. SCPAL posts records and scores. Some real gem coaches out there. I would be embarrassed if I was routing teams in the "C" division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Garden City

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL programs are run by parents. If you have a town with parents who played the sport themselves, the PAL program will be strong. What town PAL has input from the Varsity coach?

Massapequa

Nope, not true, Massapequa PAL has no input from the Varsity coach. Great guy, he lives in the town but does not voice an opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. I have 2 sons at way different skill levels. Both enjoy the game. How would they get up early for schoolball weekend workouts in this monsoon weather unless they loved the game. That's what PAL creates.

P.s. SCPAL posts records and scores. Some real gem coaches out there. I would be embarrassed if I was routing teams in the "C" division.

You mean you would be embarrassed like the Oyster Bay coach playing in the 5th grade 4th division 5 Outlaw A players and 4 91 players. No nothing to be embarrassed about there. It's all about winning the 5th grade championship.

Oyster Bay isn't the only one who does it... But when the league is notified, they make up excuses as to why they are there.

See, its acts like that that totally screw up the competitive landscape of the divisions making for a miserable experience for the teams that are truly D4 teams.

I heard the 5th grade PAL championship will be held out in Denver.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard the 5th grade PAL championship will be held out in Denver.

Do you know if the ticket are on sale already. I hear it's the game to watch.

A & B divisions will be on ESPNU. C & D are on the Ocho.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL programs are run by parents. If you have a town with parents who played the sport themselves, the PAL program will be strong. What town PAL has input from the Varsity coach?

Massapequa

That is completely false. Massapequa PAL has been run by the same guy for a long time. The varsity coach coaches one of his team's now because his kid is on it. That's the extent of his "input".

Pequa is fortunate to have an exceptional group of men who run the lax program across all grades. Many played college lacrosse. They are extraordinary coaches and have the right approach -- first and foremost the kids should have fun. And yes-- learn the game and develop as players at reasonable pace From that simple premise they have developed a successful program and developed some exceptional players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pequa is fortunate to have an exceptional group of men who run the lax program across all grades. Many played college lacrosse. They are extraordinary coaches and have the right approach -- first and foremost the kids should have fun. And yes-- learn the game and develop as players at reasonable pace From that simple premise they have developed a successful program and developed some exceptional players.

Maybe they can help out the 3V program. That program seems to be circling the drain with the exception of the 5th grade. They should see what they're doing. Why reinvent the wheel?

anyway to find out the final standings? curious to where the programs stand

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyway to find out the final standings? curious to where the programs stand

It's PAL, all the kids are winners!!

We finally got the last Tauntaun remains off the field. PAL season is over!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyway to find out the final standings? curious to where the programs stand

Tournament season is what you should keep track of. PAL standings, even though they don't exist, would not give you an accurate picture where programs stand.

All programs have different philosophies on how to run PAL. Some put emphasis on development, some put emphasis on challenging the team in a stronger division, some place themselves in weaker divisions to win. I'm sure I can find you a team that ran thru their PAL schedule but would lose to a sub .500 PAL team in a different division

Does anyone know when the 2017 PAL schedule comes out? Last year we were playing at the end of March. Like most of you, trying to plan out our schedules. Thanks guys.

In Farmingdale we just got an email regarding our 1st this week. I heard permits were not being issued until early April in an attempt to preserve the fields. I could be wrong but that is what I heard from several people.

PAL asked for final rosters earlier this year than in past - late February - but I don't believe any schedules have come out yet. Also, last year, they put out the first week's schedule, and delayed providing the remaining season schedule until the week prior to the second game.

"We finally got the last Tauntaun remains off the field. PAL season is over!"

Love it!

seems every year they are less organized. Although the tourney machine schedule is great. too bad they don't update it. id like to know if the divisions are the same too

PAL will not exist in 5 years there are too many choices for people to play lacrosse and PAL is just BAD lacrosse y4mexR

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL will not exist in 5 years there are too many choices for people to play lacrosse and PAL is just BAD lacrosse y4mexR

Disagree for a number of reasons, key ones being that it is really the only recreational lacrosse option available and there are plenty of boys that continue to play at that level of commitment only. The boys that play club also will not swap 2 - 3 local practices per week in PAL for comparable club practices: the clubs may not have the manpower to do it, the boys now would have to be driven to how ever far away their team practices and logistically that is way harder for many, the cost is not in line between PAL versus club. What you are projecting is a sport that is dying as opposed to one that is growing. You cannot expect a sport to continue where only elite players play at all. The only way PAL goes away is if it is replaced with something that is likely comparable to PAL in many ways - so then what has been achieved other than a different organization running it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL will not exist in 5 years there are too many choices for people to play lacrosse and PAL is just BAD lacrosse y4mexR

Disagree for a number of reasons, key ones being that it is really the only recreational lacrosse option available and there are plenty of boys that continue to play at that level of commitment only. The boys that play club also will not swap 2 - 3 local practices per week in PAL for comparable club practices: the clubs may not have the manpower to do it, the boys now would have to be driven to how ever far away their team practices and logistically that is way harder for many, the cost is not in line between PAL versus club. What you are projecting is a sport that is dying as opposed to one that is growing. You cannot expect a sport to continue where only elite players play at all. The only way PAL goes away is if it is replaced with something that is likely comparable to PAL in many ways - so then what has been achieved other than a different organization running it?

agreed. Getting rid of PAL will help the top school programs and kill the lower programs. The top programs will have there players play club instead the lower programs will just not play youth lacrosse.

PAL is funded by the government. It is going nowhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Would rather have PAL end before Memorial Day weekend

PAL...CYO...Little League....its for the love of the game, its to play with your neighborhood friends, its imperative that it exists for kids today. Whats the rush people? My kid is in 5th grade. I love/d the PAL experience, and I also know it will only last for this year maybe next. Enjoy it fellas

That's Nassau... pretty sure Suffolk starts a week earlier and ends prior to Memorial Day

I have been saying it for 5 years now, put 1 or 2 games in during the week therefore the season could start a littler later without there worry of snow and end before Memorial Day. Nothing worse that the first few weeks where weather is a factor of getting practices in and then being on a field for 2 hours where the temp is 30 and the wind makes it feel like 20, miserable for everyone involved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL...CYO...Little League....its for the love of the game, its to play with your neighborhood friends, its imperative that it exists for kids today. Whats the rush people? My kid is in 5th grade. I love/d the PAL experience, and I also know it will only last for this year maybe next. Enjoy it fellas

Agreed...it's great for the 2nd through 6th graders. All the travel kids love playing with their school buddies.

The Massapequa PAL program is a joke. The Varsity boys coach has no input & the guy running it doesn't allow anyone else to give their input. Most of the coaches within the Massapequa PAL program only coach care about their own kids and their friends. If you think Massapequa has a well run youth program you are sadly mistaken.
I would love to know why most of the people who are are the "Board" for the Massapequa youth program are still involved when they truely don't have the best interest of all the boys & girls in mind. You can never get an honest answer from anyone involved with the Massapequa youth lacrosse program, if you ask 2 different "board " members the same question you will hear 2 completely different answers.

Why should the varsity coach have any input? He has enough on his plate with the Varsity. PAL is the job of parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Massapequa PAL program is a joke. The Varsity boys coach has no input & the guy running it doesn't allow anyone else to give their input. Most of the coaches within the Massapequa PAL program only coach care about their own kids and their friends. If you think Massapequa has a well run youth program you are sadly mistaken.
I would love to know why most of the people who are are the "Board" for the Massapequa youth program are still involved when they truely don't have the best interest of all the boys & girls in mind. You can never get an honest answer from anyone involved with the Massapequa youth lacrosse program, if you ask 2 different "board " members the same question you will hear 2 completely different answers.

I am not from Massapequa, however I do help to run a program and everyone always seem to feel like there is some big conspiracy against them or their kid when most directors would love for others to be involved but like [lacrosse] the gator their hands never quite make it up in time.

So here is big question. Have you volunteered? Have you raised your hand or stepped up to be the person that brings change to the program?

When you say job of parents, you mean volunteer of parents. Jobs pay money, this dosent. People forget that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Massapequa PAL program is a joke. The Varsity boys coach has no input & the guy running it doesn't allow anyone else to give their input. Most of the coaches within the Massapequa PAL program only coach care about their own kids and their friends. If you think Massapequa has a well run youth program you are sadly mistaken.
I would love to know why most of the people who are are the "Board" for the Massapequa youth program are still involved when they truely don't have the best interest of all the boys & girls in mind. You can never get an honest answer from anyone involved with the Massapequa youth lacrosse program, if you ask 2 different "board " members the same question you will hear 2 completely different answers.

Did the guys from Massapequa PAL steal your dog or something? Seem to have some built up hostility.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Massapequa PAL program is a joke. The Varsity boys coach has no input & the guy running it doesn't allow anyone else to give their input. Most of the coaches within the Massapequa PAL program only coach care about their own kids and their friends. If you think Massapequa has a well run youth program you are sadly mistaken.
I would love to know why most of the people who are are the "Board" for the Massapequa youth program are still involved when they truely don't have the best interest of all the boys & girls in mind. You can never get an honest answer from anyone involved with the Massapequa youth lacrosse program, if you ask 2 different "board " members the same question you will hear 2 completely different answers.

You sound a little jaded and probably run to the board to complain about everything. I have a 4th grader and a 2nd grader playing and can gladly say that I have never needed to contact the Board directly for anything. While I don't coach, i have zero issue with the program and am very happy with all of the coaches that have been involved with both my boys.

The group that my 4th grader has been with has been consistent since kindergarten.....and have the best interests for the boys. And my 2nd grader is excited to start playing games this year.

Any coach that is volunteering their time is usually going to show favoritism towards his son and close friends, but i would bet that is because he may know those kids better. As long as the coach isn't flat out ignoring others and hindering their development or joy for playing, there should be no issue

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Massapequa PAL program is a joke. The Varsity boys coach has no input & the guy running it doesn't allow anyone else to give their input. Most of the coaches within the Massapequa PAL program only coach care about their own kids and their friends. If you think Massapequa has a well run youth program you are sadly mistaken.
I would love to know why most of the people who are are the "Board" for the Massapequa youth program are still involved when they truely don't have the best interest of all the boys & girls in mind. You can never get an honest answer from anyone involved with the Massapequa youth lacrosse program, if you ask 2 different "board " members the same question you will hear 2 completely different answers.

I am not from Massapequa, however I do help to run a program and everyone always seem to feel like there is some big conspiracy against them or their kid when most directors would love for others to be involved but like [lacrosse] the gator their hands never quite make it up in time.

So here is big question. Have you volunteered? Have you raised your hand or stepped up to be the person that brings change to the program?

So typical. This is not just a 'Pequa thing. All of these clowns complain about PAL. It's a "good old boys" club or it's "Daddy Ball" or it's "My kid doesn't get a fair shot". Give it a rest. I coach a PAL team and guess what? It's not all good times. Parents don't bring their kids to practice. They blow off games without letting the coaches know. Parents [lacrosse] that their kid doesn't play the position he wants. Parents complain about playing time. I'm rushing home from work 3 days a week and then practicing for a few hours just to wait an extra 30 minutes for people to pick up their kids. I have to buy a bucket of balls to start every season along with extra mouthpieces. I'm constantly fixing/adjusting equipment because parents are not interested in taking the time to do so. I have to collect all of the equipment and water bottles that kids leave around and drop it back to their houses. It's a thankless job, but coaches do it for their kids. If things don't sit right with you, volunteer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been saying it for 5 years now, put 1 or 2 games in during the week therefore the season could start a littler later without there worry of snow and end before Memorial Day. Nothing worse that the first few weeks where weather is a factor of getting practices in and then being on a field for 2 hours where the temp is 30 and the wind makes it feel like 20, miserable for everyone involved.

What fields would they play games on when school teams are practicing and playing on most of them during the week

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why should the varsity coach have any input? He has enough on his plate with the Varsity. PAL is the job of parents.

If your local school's Varsity coach and/or AD are not involved even a small amount with your community program, then your program is not what it could be. No one is saying they need to commit hours upon hours of involvement by the school, but some interaction is necessary - it's mutually beneficial!

There is always fields open somewhere, to get in one or 2 games in during a 8 week season would not be a problem. if people worked together for a better experience for everyone. How do travel teams practice 2x a week from march to august?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why should the varsity coach have any input? He has enough on his plate with the Varsity. PAL is the job of parents.

If your local school's Varsity coach and/or AD are not involved even a small amount with your community program, then your program is not what it could be. No one is saying they need to commit hours upon hours of involvement by the school, but some interaction is necessary - it's mutually beneficial!

What kind of money do you think they are paying these teachers to coach? Most varsity sports are year round commitment for the coach, now he has to go coach PAL?? Maybe he should come by the house of each kid and toss the ball around with him. How about parents take SOME responsibility for the athletic development of their kids. Is the varsity Baseball coach present at Little League baseball? How about the Varsity basketball coach? He should be coaching CYO, after all it's mutually beneficial for him!! And the varsity football coach should without a doubt be coaching the local pee wee team, because well, it's beneficial! Nonsense, the parents run the sports pre middle school and then the school coach takes over. These men/ladies have full time jobs teaching, they then spend countless hours coaching, and oh yeah, they have families too. I'm not sure what you do for a living, but if I asked you to show up during your free time to do it, away from your family and personal life, you would look at me like I was crazy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Massapequa PAL program is a joke. The Varsity boys coach has no input & the guy running it doesn't allow anyone else to give their input. Most of the coaches within the Massapequa PAL program only coach care about their own kids and their friends. If you think Massapequa has a well run youth program you are sadly mistaken.
I would love to know why most of the people who are are the "Board" for the Massapequa youth program are still involved when they truely don't have the best interest of all the boys & girls in mind. You can never get an honest answer from anyone involved with the Massapequa youth lacrosse program, if you ask 2 different "board " members the same question you will hear 2 completely different answers.

I am not from Massapequa, however I do help to run a program and everyone always seem to feel like there is some big conspiracy against them or their kid when most directors would love for others to be involved but like [lacrosse] the gator their hands never quite make it up in time.

So here is big question. Have you volunteered? Have you raised your hand or stepped up to be the person that brings change to the program?

So typical. This is not just a 'Pequa thing. All of these clowns complain about PAL. It's a "good old boys" club or it's "Daddy Ball" or it's "My kid doesn't get a fair shot". Give it a rest. I coach a PAL team and guess what? It's not all good times. Parents don't bring their kids to practice. They blow off games without letting the coaches know. Parents [lacrosse] that their kid doesn't play the position he wants. Parents complain about playing time. I'm rushing home from work 3 days a week and then practicing for a few hours just to wait an extra 30 minutes for people to pick up their kids. I have to buy a bucket of balls to start every season along with extra mouthpieces. I'm constantly fixing/adjusting equipment because parents are not interested in taking the time to do so. I have to collect all of the equipment and water bottles that kids leave around and drop it back to their houses. It's a thankless job, but coaches do it for their kids. If things don't sit right with you, volunteer.

Thank you the same goes for me. I think this expert can solve all the problems he has by either taking his kid to a different program. only play travel or dare I say it he can volunteer his time to coach. No like most he will stay on the sidelines and complain.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why should the varsity coach have any input? He has enough on his plate with the Varsity. PAL is the job of parents.

If your local school's Varsity coach and/or AD are not involved even a small amount with your community program, then your program is not what it could be. No one is saying they need to commit hours upon hours of involvement by the school, but some interaction is necessary - it's mutually beneficial!

What kind of money do you think they are paying these teachers to coach? Most varsity sports are year round commitment for the coach, now he has to go coach PAL?? Maybe he should come by the house of each kid and toss the ball around with him. How about parents take SOME responsibility for the athletic development of their kids. Is the varsity Baseball coach present at Little League baseball? How about the Varsity basketball coach? He should be coaching CYO, after all it's mutually beneficial for him!! And the varsity football coach should without a doubt be coaching the local pee wee team, because well, it's beneficial! Nonsense, the parents run the sports pre middle school and then the school coach takes over. These men/ladies have full time jobs teaching, they then spend countless hours coaching, and oh yeah, they have families too. I'm not sure what you do for a living, but if I asked you to show up during your free time to do it, away from your family and personal life, you would look at me like I was crazy.

You really should try reading ALL of the words and also not insert words that were NOT there! I said involvement, not coaching (!), and I said the involvement need not be extensive. I know for a fact that our school district made that involvement with our youth organization a requirement for a new incoming coach. And, in the end, a coach who is committed to a program at a certain school is the ultimate beneficiary of being involved with the local youth program: he has an input into how the boys play the game; he is known to the boys prior to their playing for him and vice versa; the boys are involved/engaged with the school program before they are players, even if only as fans; he is shaping the type of players he will have playing for him eventually; and lastly he knows what the future makeup of his team will be better than most if he was not involved. Similarly, our varsity football coach is involved in our youth organization; same goes for girls lacrosse team. That's how you build a strong program within a community - the youth programs are the feeder to the schools! It is also a way to snag/keep a kid or two that might otherwise opt to go to a private for HS. #totallynotseeingthebigpicture

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why should the varsity coach have any input? He has enough on his plate with the Varsity. PAL is the job of parents.

If your local school's Varsity coach and/or AD are not involved even a small amount with your community program, then your program is not what it could be. No one is saying they need to commit hours upon hours of involvement by the school, but some interaction is necessary - it's mutually beneficial!

What kind of money do you think they are paying these teachers to coach? Most varsity sports are year round commitment for the coach, now he has to go coach PAL?? Maybe he should come by the house of each kid and toss the ball around with him. How about parents take SOME responsibility for the athletic development of their kids. Is the varsity Baseball coach present at Little League baseball? How about the Varsity basketball coach? He should be coaching CYO, after all it's mutually beneficial for him!! And the varsity football coach should without a doubt be coaching the local pee wee team, because well, it's beneficial! Nonsense, the parents run the sports pre middle school and then the school coach takes over. These men/ladies have full time jobs teaching, they then spend countless hours coaching, and oh yeah, they have families too. I'm not sure what you do for a living, but if I asked you to show up during your free time to do it, away from your family and personal life, you would look at me like I was crazy.

You really should try reading ALL of the words and also not insert words that were NOT there! I said involvement, not coaching (!), and I said the involvement need not be extensive. I know for a fact that our school district made that involvement with our youth organization a requirement for a new incoming coach. And, in the end, a coach who is committed to a program at a certain school is the ultimate beneficiary of being involved with the local youth program: he has an input into how the boys play the game; he is known to the boys prior to their playing for him and vice versa; the boys are involved/engaged with the school program before they are players, even if only as fans; he is shaping the type of players he will have playing for him eventually; and lastly he knows what the future makeup of his team will be better than most if he was not involved. Similarly, our varsity football coach is involved in our youth organization; same goes for girls lacrosse team. That's how you build a strong program within a community - the youth programs are the feeder to the schools! It is also a way to snag/keep a kid or two that might otherwise opt to go to a private for HS. #totallynotseeingthebigpicture

You honestly believe the varsity coach is going to remember your son years later? If you feel so strongly about it, go to the high school, make an appointment and tell the coach how he should be involved. While you're there you can talk to all the other varsity coaches and tell them how they need to be present at the respective pee wee leagues for their respective sports. #cluelessparent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Massapequa PAL program is a joke. The Varsity boys coach has no input & the guy running it doesn't allow anyone else to give their input. Most of the coaches within the Massapequa PAL program only coach care about their own kids and their friends. If you think Massapequa has a well run youth program you are sadly mistaken.
I would love to know why most of the people who are are the "Board" for the Massapequa youth program are still involved when they truely don't have the best interest of all the boys & girls in mind. You can never get an honest answer from anyone involved with the Massapequa youth lacrosse program, if you ask 2 different "board " members the same question you will hear 2 completely different answers.

I am not from Massapequa, however I do help to run a program and everyone always seem to feel like there is some big conspiracy against them or their kid when most directors would love for others to be involved but like [lacrosse] the gator their hands never quite make it up in time.

So here is big question. Have you volunteered? Have you raised your hand or stepped up to be the person that brings change to the program?

IT GOES BOTH WAYS, IVE SEEN BOTH. VARSITY TOO INVOLVED AND DOESNT LET INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS GROW OUTSIDE OF THE PROGRAM AND THE OVER PROTECTIVE COACH AND PAL DIR.

THE WORST OF THE TWO IS THE PAL DIR.

QUESTION WHO HAS THE BIGGEST ENROLLMENT IN PAL IN NASSAU AND SUFFOLK? DOES ANYONE HAVE THE FACTS ON THAT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why should the varsity coach have any input? He has enough on his plate with the Varsity. PAL is the job of parents.

If your local school's Varsity coach and/or AD are not involved even a small amount with your community program, then your program is not what it could be. No one is saying they need to commit hours upon hours of involvement by the school, but some interaction is necessary - it's mutually beneficial!

What kind of money do you think they are paying these teachers to coach? Most varsity sports are year round commitment for the coach, now he has to go coach PAL?? Maybe he should come by the house of each kid and toss the ball around with him. How about parents take SOME responsibility for the athletic development of their kids. Is the varsity Baseball coach present at Little League baseball? How about the Varsity basketball coach? He should be coaching CYO, after all it's mutually beneficial for him!! And the varsity football coach should without a doubt be coaching the local pee wee team, because well, it's beneficial! Nonsense, the parents run the sports pre middle school and then the school coach takes over. These men/ladies have full time jobs teaching, they then spend countless hours coaching, and oh yeah, they have families too. I'm not sure what you do for a living, but if I asked you to show up during your free time to do it, away from your family and personal life, you would look at me like I was crazy.

You really should try reading ALL of the words and also not insert words that were NOT there! I said involvement, not coaching (!), and I said the involvement need not be extensive. I know for a fact that our school district made that involvement with our youth organization a requirement for a new incoming coach. And, in the end, a coach who is committed to a program at a certain school is the ultimate beneficiary of being involved with the local youth program: he has an input into how the boys play the game; he is known to the boys prior to their playing for him and vice versa; the boys are involved/engaged with the school program before they are players, even if only as fans; he is shaping the type of players he will have playing for him eventually; and lastly he knows what the future makeup of his team will be better than most if he was not involved. Similarly, our varsity football coach is involved in our youth organization; same goes for girls lacrosse team. That's how you build a strong program within a community - the youth programs are the feeder to the schools! It is also a way to snag/keep a kid or two that might otherwise opt to go to a private for HS. #totallynotseeingthebigpicture

You honestly believe the varsity coach is going to remember your son years later? If you feel so strongly about it, go to the high school, make an appointment and tell the coach how he should be involved. While you're there you can talk to all the other varsity coaches and tell them how they need to be present at the respective pee wee leagues for their respective sports. #cluelessparent.

You obviously miss the point! If the coach is involved in the youth program on an ongoing basis, year in, year out, he is exposed to the rising players when they're younger as well as just prior to playing for him - how hard a concept is that for you to grasp?? If he is forgetting youth players from the prior year, you've got more problems with him as a coach than his lack of involvement in the youth program. You also obviously have more problems with reading comprehension - the obligation for the coach to be involved was part of our school district's requirements - why would I need to get involved when it was already covered? I also said that many of the other varsity coaches were already regularly involved with the local youth organizations, so again, who needs to get involved when it is already happening? Sorry if your district and coaches are not willing to go that extra yard, but that's you and your kids loss, not a knock on our district!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Massapequa PAL program is a joke. The Varsity boys coach has no input & the guy running it doesn't allow anyone else to give their input. Most of the coaches within the Massapequa PAL program only coach care about their own kids and their friends. If you think Massapequa has a well run youth program you are sadly mistaken.
I would love to know why most of the people who are are the "Board" for the Massapequa youth program are still involved when they truely don't have the best interest of all the boys & girls in mind. You can never get an honest answer from anyone involved with the Massapequa youth lacrosse program, if you ask 2 different "board " members the same question you will hear 2 completely different answers.

I am not from Massapequa, however I do help to run a program and everyone always seem to feel like there is some big conspiracy against them or their kid when most directors would love for others to be involved but like [lacrosse] the gator their hands never quite make it up in time.

So here is big question. Have you volunteered? Have you raised your hand or stepped up to be the person that brings change to the program?

IT GOES BOTH WAYS, IVE SEEN BOTH. VARSITY TOO INVOLVED AND DOESNT LET INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS GROW OUTSIDE OF THE PROGRAM AND THE OVER PROTECTIVE COACH AND PAL DIR.

THE WORST OF THE TWO IS THE PAL DIR.

QUESTION WHO HAS THE BIGGEST ENROLLMENT IN PAL IN NASSAU AND SUFFOLK? DOES ANYONE HAVE THE FACTS ON THAT.

Totally agree that a balance is what works best - over involvement/control is no bueno!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why should the varsity coach have any input? He has enough on his plate with the Varsity. PAL is the job of parents.

If your local school's Varsity coach and/or AD are not involved even a small amount with your community program, then your program is not what it could be. No one is saying they need to commit hours upon hours of involvement by the school, but some interaction is necessary - it's mutually beneficial!

What kind of money do you think they are paying these teachers to coach? Most varsity sports are year round commitment for the coach, now he has to go coach PAL?? Maybe he should come by the house of each kid and toss the ball around with him. How about parents take SOME responsibility for the athletic development of their kids. Is the varsity Baseball coach present at Little League baseball? How about the Varsity basketball coach? He should be coaching CYO, after all it's mutually beneficial for him!! And the varsity football coach should without a doubt be coaching the local pee wee team, because well, it's beneficial! Nonsense, the parents run the sports pre middle school and then the school coach takes over. These men/ladies have full time jobs teaching, they then spend countless hours coaching, and oh yeah, they have families too. I'm not sure what you do for a living, but if I asked you to show up during your free time to do it, away from your family and personal life, you would look at me like I was crazy.

You really should try reading ALL of the words and also not insert words that were NOT there! I said involvement, not coaching (!), and I said the involvement need not be extensive. I know for a fact that our school district made that involvement with our youth organization a requirement for a new incoming coach. And, in the end, a coach who is committed to a program at a certain school is the ultimate beneficiary of being involved with the local youth program: he has an input into how the boys play the game; he is known to the boys prior to their playing for him and vice versa; the boys are involved/engaged with the school program before they are players, even if only as fans; he is shaping the type of players he will have playing for him eventually; and lastly he knows what the future makeup of his team will be better than most if he was not involved. Similarly, our varsity football coach is involved in our youth organization; same goes for girls lacrosse team. That's how you build a strong program within a community - the youth programs are the feeder to the schools! It is also a way to snag/keep a kid or two that might otherwise opt to go to a private for HS. #totallynotseeingthebigpicture

You honestly believe the varsity coach is going to remember your son years later? If you feel so strongly about it, go to the high school, make an appointment and tell the coach how he should be involved. While you're there you can talk to all the other varsity coaches and tell them how they need to be present at the respective pee wee leagues for their respective sports. #cluelessparent.

You obviously miss the point! If the coach is involved in the youth program on an ongoing basis, year in, year out, he is exposed to the rising players when they're younger as well as just prior to playing for him - how hard a concept is that for you to grasp?? If he is forgetting youth players from the prior year, you've got more problems with him as a coach than his lack of involvement in the youth program. You also obviously have more problems with reading comprehension - the obligation for the coach to be involved was part of our school district's requirements - why would I need to get involved when it was already covered? I also said that many of the other varsity coaches were already regularly involved with the local youth organizations, so again, who needs to get involved when it is already happening? Sorry if your district and coaches are not willing to go that extra yard, but that's you and your kids loss, not a knock on our district!

Not sure of your district, but the union will not allow the district to FORCE a coach to involve himself in the youth program. How about this scenario, the coach retires/quits, now what? Frankly pal, I think you're full of sh*t. #typicalbotcliar.

Pal screwed schedules up nicely this year... re-rack...

Not sure of your district, but the union will not allow the district to FORCE a coach to involve himself in the youth program. How about this scenario, the coach retires/quits, now what? Frankly pal, I think you're full of sh*t. #typicalbotcliar.[/quote]

It's a a UFSD, but the coaches in this case are all NOT teachers in the district, and I believe are all not teachers at all. You can call BS all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that it's all in place and working well. You're entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.

Where are they posted?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pal screwed schedules up nicely this year... re-rack...

You can take care of it next year! Thousands of games to schedule!

It's not an easy thing to do, especially with all of the special requests.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pal screwed schedules up nicely this year... re-rack...

You can take care of it next year! Thousands of games to schedule!

It's not an easy thing to do, especially with all of the special requests.

Seriously! Love all the negative comments coming from the cheap seats... So quick to judge. Would love to see how they would do with scheduling 1100+ games over a 9 week period. Not an easy task.

throw in the fact that travel is now playing tourneys on sundays to cause more conflict and stress on kids and parents. Come on travel programs give us a break!! We already dedicate the summer to you, the fall, half the week, and oh our MONEY, now you schedule Sunday games to screw the PAL season which is only 6-8 weeks anyway? Horrible

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pal screwed schedules up nicely this year... re-rack...

You can take care of it next year! Thousands of games to schedule!

It's not an easy thing to do, especially with all of the special requests.

Pretty simple thing to do with scheduling software.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Massapequa PAL program is a joke. The Varsity boys coach has no input & the guy running it doesn't allow anyone else to give their input. Most of the coaches within the Massapequa PAL program only coach care about their own kids and their friends. If you think Massapequa has a well run youth program you are sadly mistaken.
I would love to know why most of the people who are are the "Board" for the Massapequa youth program are still involved when they truely don't have the best interest of all the boys & girls in mind. You can never get an honest answer from anyone involved with the Massapequa youth lacrosse program, if you ask 2 different "board " members the same question you will hear 2 completely different answers.

I am not from Massapequa, however I do help to run a program and everyone always seem to feel like there is some big conspiracy against them or their kid when most directors would love for others to be involved but like [lacrosse] the gator their hands never quite make it up in time.

So here is big question. Have you volunteered? Have you raised your hand or stepped up to be the person that brings change to the program?

So typical. This is not just a 'Pequa thing. All of these clowns complain about PAL. It's a "good old boys" club or it's "Daddy Ball" or it's "My kid doesn't get a fair shot". Give it a rest. I coach a PAL team and guess what? It's not all good times. Parents don't bring their kids to practice. They blow off games without letting the coaches know. Parents [lacrosse] that their kid doesn't play the position he wants. Parents complain about playing time. I'm rushing home from work 3 days a week and then practicing for a few hours just to wait an extra 30 minutes for people to pick up their kids. I have to buy a bucket of balls to start every season along with extra mouthpieces. I'm constantly fixing/adjusting equipment because parents are not interested in taking the time to do so. I have to collect all of the equipment and water bottles that kids leave around and drop it back to their houses. It's a thankless job, but coaches do it for their kids. If things don't sit right with you, volunteer.

I have played against the Massapequa teams for many years, and they do a great job. I know several parents there, and they love it for their kids at all age levels. Move on, my son begged me to do PAL this year even though he plays in school and plays travel. They do it for the love of the game and to play with their buddies. It is also his last season. So enjoy it while you can. It seems like yesterday we were starting the K-1 clinics and teaching the boys how to hold a lacrosse stick.

Does anyone know when tryouts are held for PAL? My son has been practicing once a month all winter and is eager to get playing at least once a week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know when tryouts are held for PAL? My son has been practicing once a month all winter and is eager to get playing at least once a week.

PAL programs are not supposed to have tryouts. Teams are supposed to be balanced.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know when tryouts are held for PAL? My son has been practicing once a month all winter and is eager to get playing at least once a week.

PAL programs are not supposed to have tryouts. Teams are supposed to be balanced.

You should have received an e-mail assigning your son to a team by now. So call asap. If you haven't signed up for it yet then you might be out of luck. A good program (with not too many kids already) should let you in anyway and just assign him to a team. But you might've missed the boat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pal screwed schedules up nicely this year... re-rack...

You can take care of it next year! Thousands of games to schedule!

It's not an easy thing to do, especially with all of the special requests.

Pretty simple thing to do with scheduling software.

I have nothing to do with PAL scheduling, but have been around long enough to understand that scheduling is a nightmare and thankless job. As mentioned before special requests from teams, field availability, coordinating with HS teams and girls programs and then topping it off the multiple changes after the schedule is created. To say it is easy shows a lack of understanding what goes into it or arrogance. It is not as easy as setting up your TECMO BOWL tournament up with your friends as it was in 1989.

Tryouts are in Wyandanch today in the snow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are in Wyandanch today in the snow.

You are an "arse". Think before you write!

I will say this about Massapequa PAL LaCrosse. I am retired from the NYPD. I have been to more cops line of duty funerals than I care to recall. A few months back ( not during lacrosse season) and NYPD Sergeant was shot and killed in the Bronx. The funeral was held in Massapequa. The kids and the coaches from their PAL lacrosse program were out in force. Wearing their jerseys and handing out water and snacks to the thousands of police officers from throughout the nation who attended the funeral. These boys thanked everyone for their service and we're a true testament to what organized sports should be about. They represented their community and the lacrosse community in an outstanding manner. I have never in all my years of going to LOD funerals seen a community or sports organization step up in such a manner. Someone in that organization is doing something right. Kudos to them!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Massapequa PAL program is a joke. The Varsity boys coach has no input & the guy running it doesn't allow anyone else to give their input. Most of the coaches within the Massapequa PAL program only coach care about their own kids and their friends. If you think Massapequa has a well run youth program you are sadly mistaken.
I would love to know why most of the people who are are the "Board" for the Massapequa youth program are still involved when they truely don't have the best interest of all the boys & girls in mind. You can never get an honest answer from anyone involved with the Massapequa youth lacrosse program, if you ask 2 different "board " members the same question you will hear 2 completely different answers.

Unfortunately you are incorrect and obviously still bitter your son never made the Mohawks travel team. At some point you have to accept his lax abilities for what they are. I have boys and girls in the Massapequa PAL Lax program and the coaches give their heart and sole to both the girls and boys program. Not just develop players, but make sure they have fun. That's what PAL is supposed to be about! It's not the WSYL. These coaches work full time jobs and come home, run to the fields to coach the kids -- many times at the expense of their own family time. I've watched it for years. As many have said -- if your not happy pick up a stick and volunteer! I'm sure these guys would love to get back a few hours in their weeks!

says the a--hole who has never scheduled anything. Why doesn't mister scheduling no it all step up to the plate and be the PAL scheduler.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pal screwed schedules up nicely this year... re-rack...

You can take care of it next year! Thousands of games to schedule!

It's not an easy thing to do, especially with all of the special requests.

Pretty simple thing to do with scheduling software.

I have nothing to do with PAL scheduling, but have been around long enough to understand that scheduling is a nightmare and thankless job. As mentioned before special requests from teams, field availability, coordinating with HS teams and girls programs and then topping it off the multiple changes after the schedule is created. To say it is easy shows a lack of understanding what goes into it or arrogance. It is not as easy as setting up your TECMO BOWL tournament up with your friends as it was in 1989.

Free scheduling software makes it easy. Paid for scheduling software makes it even easier.

Mohawks--representing the greater south shore and neighboring towns, especially when we are playing against the better town teams and we need to supplement our roster to compete. hashtgag not enough strong players to go it alone as a town team--embarrassment when entering town team tournaments...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I will say this about Massapequa PAL LaCrosse. I am retired from the NYPD. I have been to more cops line of duty funerals than I care to recall. A few months back ( not during lacrosse season) and NYPD Sergeant was shot and killed in the Bronx. The funeral was held in Massapequa. The kids and the coaches from their PAL lacrosse program were out in force. Wearing their jerseys and handing out water and snacks to the thousands of police officers from throughout the nation who attended the funeral. These boys thanked everyone for their service and we're a true testament to what organized sports should be about. They represented their community and the lacrosse community in an outstanding manner. I have never in all my years of going to LOD funerals seen a community or sports organization step up in such a manner. Someone in that organization is doing something right. Kudos to them!

AMEN!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mohawks--representing the greater south shore and neighboring towns, especially when we are playing against the better town teams and we need to supplement our roster to compete. hashtgag not enough strong players to go it alone as a town team--embarrassment when entering town team tournaments...

100000% false. Every single boy that plays on a Mohawks tournament team plays Massapequa PAL and is fully in compliance with the rules of eligibility dictated by PAL.
It's OK that they beat you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mohawks--representing the greater south shore and neighboring towns, especially when we are playing against the better town teams and we need to supplement our roster to compete. hashtgag not enough strong players to go it alone as a town team--embarrassment when entering town team tournaments...

100000% false. Every single boy that plays on a Mohawks tournament team plays Massapequa PAL and is fully in compliance with the rules of eligibility dictated by PAL.
It's OK that they beat you

Not totally false, but very few kids, and they are from towns without PAL programs, like Amityville.

It is totally false every single kid that plays on my son Mohawks team (2023) is from Massapequa. There is not one kid from another town on the team. This past year in Football there was one kid from West Islip on the team, but never in all the years my son has been playing has there been a kid not from Massapequa on the team. Sorry for winning every tournament we played in the last 2 years, sorry i think we lost once in the Championship game. Stop trying to make excuses because our kids ran circles around your son team… Good luck this season...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mohawks--representing the greater south shore and neighboring towns, especially when we are playing against the better town teams and we need to supplement our roster to compete. hashtgag not enough strong players to go it alone as a town team--embarrassment when entering town team tournaments...

100000% false. Every single boy that plays on a Mohawks tournament team plays Massapequa PAL and is fully in compliance with the rules of eligibility dictated by PAL.
It's OK that they beat you

Not totally false, but very few kids, and they are from towns without PAL programs, like Amityville.

which is not against PAL eligibility rules. neighboring town doesn't offer lax. as long as those boys are playing in the town PAL program and not hired guns.....there is no issue

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is totally false every single kid that plays on my son Mohawks team (2023) is from Massapequa. There is not one kid from another town on the team. This past year in Football there was one kid from West Islip on the team, but never in all the years my son has been playing has there been a kid not from Massapequa on the team. Sorry for winning every tournament we played in the last 2 years, sorry i think we lost once in the Championship game. Stop trying to make excuses because our kids ran circles around your son team… Good luck this season...

Yeah, good luck at viper or some other b bracket.

Post PAL, but the '20 Mohawk vs. town Massapequa was a joke. Mohawk much better due to the addition of a few out of town kids. I know the coach and he told me as such, especially at the face off X--and we beat both teams--one game very close, the other a 4 goal rule beat down every time we played. So defend as you will, in this instance these are the facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is totally false every single kid that plays on my son Mohawks team (2023) is from Massapequa. There is not one kid from another town on the team. This past year in Football there was one kid from West Islip on the team, but never in all the years my son has been playing has there been a kid not from Massapequa on the team. Sorry for winning every tournament we played in the last 2 years, sorry i think we lost once in the Championship game. Stop trying to make excuses because our kids ran circles around your son team… Good luck this season...

Easy buddy, Winning town tournaments isn't anything to brag about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is totally false every single kid that plays on my son Mohawks team (2023) is from Massapequa. There is not one kid from another town on the team. This past year in Football there was one kid from West Islip on the team, but never in all the years my son has been playing has there been a kid not from Massapequa on the team. Sorry for winning every tournament we played in the last 2 years, sorry i think we lost once in the Championship game. Stop trying to make excuses because our kids ran circles around your son team… Good luck this season...

Easy buddy, Winning town tournaments isn't anything to brag about.

LOL...,That last post made my day!!!

How about when the town Daddy's think it's a good idea to split PAL into A teams and B teams! Shouldn't there be a tryout? If there was a tryout, then no one should be put out. No tears. It is what it is.
Or, does Daddy get to say everyone that is on an A travel club (ie. igloo / EXP Haugen) is an A player--everyone else should go get their "shine box"? Why do some of these people act this way? It is bad for the town. It is bad for the program. And, it discourages kids to play. Kids improve every year. I get politics.
BTW, I know some kids in my town that committed D1 soph yr in HS, yet never "made" the PAL A team. RIDICULOUS!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about when the town Daddy's think it's a good idea to split PAL into A teams and B teams! Shouldn't there be a tryout? If there was a tryout, then no one should be put out. No tears. It is what it is.
Or, does Daddy get to say everyone that is on an A travel club (ie. igloo / EXP Haugen) is an A player--everyone else should go get their "shine box"? Why do some of these people act this way? It is bad for the town. It is bad for the program. And, it discourages kids to play. Kids improve every year. I get politics.
BTW, I know some kids in my town that committed D1 soph yr in HS, yet never "made" the PAL A team. RIDICULOUS!

Okay, here's the tough question, what did YOU do about it, other than post on BOTC??

I'm confused why is winning town tournaments any less important than winning club tournaments?? Kids win with their friends not strangers from random towns and Eventually win HS championships together. These are the memories these kids will remember. Not winning a random tournament with some kid named Chad from CSH as your linemate...

Just one guys opinion..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is totally false every single kid that plays on my son Mohawks team (2023) is from Massapequa. There is not one kid from another town on the team. This past year in Football there was one kid from West Islip on the team, but never in all the years my son has been playing has there been a kid not from Massapequa on the team. Sorry for winning every tournament we played in the last 2 years, sorry i think we lost once in the Championship game. Stop trying to make excuses because our kids ran circles around your son team… Good luck this season...

Easy buddy, Winning town tournaments isn't anything to brag about.

LOL...,That last post made my day!!!

I'm confused why is winning town tournaments any less important than winning club tournaments?? Kids win with their friends not strangers from random towns and Eventually win HS championships together. These are the memories these kids will remember. Not winning a random tournament with some kid named Chad from CSH as your linemate...

Just one guys opinion..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is totally false every single kid that plays on my son Mohawks team (2023) is from Massapequa. There is not one kid from another town on the team. This past year in Football there was one kid from West Islip on the team, but never in all the years my son has been playing has there been a kid not from Massapequa on the team. Sorry for winning every tournament we played in the last 2 years, sorry i think we lost once in the Championship game. Stop trying to make excuses because our kids ran circles around your son team… Good luck this season...

Easy buddy, Winning town tournaments isn't anything to brag about.

LOL...,That last post made my day!!!

I'm confused why is winning town tournaments any less important than winning club tournaments?? Kids win with their friends not strangers from random towns and Eventually win HS championships together. These are the memories these kids will remember. Not winning a random tournament with some kid named Chad from CSH as your linemate...

Just one guys opinion..

I completely agree with you but when someone puffs out their chest bragging about records and stats he needs to be brought down a notch as the level of play is much different on a club level. If they were playing against a Legacy, 9D1, Igloo or Express the outcome would be very different.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is totally false every single kid that plays on my son Mohawks team (2023) is from Massapequa. There is not one kid from another town on the team. This past year in Football there was one kid from West Islip on the team, but never in all the years my son has been playing has there been a kid not from Massapequa on the team. Sorry for winning every tournament we played in the last 2 years, sorry i think we lost once in the Championship game. Stop trying to make excuses because our kids ran circles around your son team… Good luck this season...

Easy buddy, Winning town tournaments isn't anything to brag about.

LOL...,That last post made my day!!!

I'm confused why is winning town tournaments any less important than winning club tournaments?? Kids win with their friends not strangers from random towns and Eventually win HS championships together. These are the memories these kids will remember. Not winning a random tournament with some kid named Chad from CSH as your linemate...

Just one guys opinion..

I completely agree with you but when someone puffs out their chest bragging about records and stats he needs to be brought down a notch as the level of play is much different on a club level. If they were playing against a Legacy, 9D1, Igloo or Express the outcome would be very different.

thanks for being the [lacrosse] who decides that he needed to be 'brought down a notch'
you're comparing apples and oranges. you can't say they should be beating club teams....it doesn't work that way. they are a town team, they win town tournaments.
you can't expect town teams to compete against the top level travel programs that recruit from all over LI.

Why are you bringing Chad from CSH into this. He is a nice kid, and do you know what position his father holds on wall street???? HUGE BSD. And his mom is hot, you'd love to have her on your sidelines...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is totally false every single kid that plays on my son Mohawks team (2023) is from Massapequa. There is not one kid from another town on the team. This past year in Football there was one kid from West Islip on the team, but never in all the years my son has been playing has there been a kid not from Massapequa on the team. Sorry for winning every tournament we played in the last 2 years, sorry i think we lost once in the Championship game. Stop trying to make excuses because our kids ran circles around your son team… Good luck this season...

Easy buddy, Winning town tournaments isn't anything to brag about.

LOL...,That last post made my day!!!

I'm confused why is winning town tournaments any less important than winning club tournaments?? Kids win with their friends not strangers from random towns and Eventually win HS championships together. These are the memories these kids will remember. Not winning a random tournament with some kid named Chad from CSH as your linemate...

Just one guys opinion..

I completely agree with you but when someone puffs out their chest bragging about records and stats he needs to be brought down a notch as the level of play is much different on a club level. If they were playing against a Legacy, 9D1, Igloo or Express the outcome would be very different.

thanks for being the [lacrosse] who decides that he needed to be 'brought down a notch'
you're comparing apples and oranges. you can't say they should be beating club teams....it doesn't work that way. they are a town team, they win town tournaments.
you can't expect town teams to compete against the top level travel programs that recruit from all over LI.

How would all the "club parents" react if ALL they had was PAL? If their son had to play with boys of all abilities? Oh wait, they will, HS starts soon, and if you're not one of the top programs, well just be prepared.

Probably the best way to develope more players, give kids who need additional time increased quality playing time on the B team and he'll have the last laugh. Not to mention what sounds like some needed parenting lessons, if your son gets discouraged by being on a b team in 6th grade he's never going to make it.

OK now a real question. When is the PAL schedule coming out? Is it going to be on tourney machine again? Will they keep the records this year? Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK now a real question. When is the PAL schedule coming out? Is it going to be on tourney machine again? Will they keep the records this year? Thanks

Keep records for what purpose??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is totally false every single kid that plays on my son Mohawks team (2023) is from Massapequa. There is not one kid from another town on the team. This past year in Football there was one kid from West Islip on the team, but never in all the years my son has been playing has there been a kid not from Massapequa on the team. Sorry for winning every tournament we played in the last 2 years, sorry i think we lost once in the Championship game. Stop trying to make excuses because our kids ran circles around your son team… Good luck this season...

Easy buddy, Winning town tournaments isn't anything to brag about.

LOL...,That last post made my day!!!

I'm confused why is winning town tournaments any less important than winning club tournaments?? Kids win with their friends not strangers from random towns and Eventually win HS championships together. These are the memories these kids will remember. Not winning a random tournament with some kid named Chad from CSH as your linemate...

Just one guys opinion..

I completely agree with you but when someone puffs out their chest bragging about records and stats he needs to be brought down a notch as the level of play is much different on a club level. If they were playing against a Legacy, 9D1, Igloo or Express the outcome would be very different.

thanks for being the [lacrosse] who decides that he needed to be 'brought down a notch'
you're comparing apples and oranges. you can't say they should be beating club teams....it doesn't work that way. they are a town team, they win town tournaments.
you can't expect town teams to compete against the top level travel programs that recruit from all over LI.

Clearly you are slow. I didn't say they should be beating clubs teams. I simply stated that the result would be different. And it does work that way. Town teams like CSH, RVC, Garden City can beat club teams. If you agree with what the town daddy is saying then you must be jerkoff as well.

When will the schedule be released and are they going to use tourney machine again?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK now a real question. When is the PAL schedule coming out? Is it going to be on tourney machine again? Will they keep the records this year? Thanks

Keep records for what purpose??

so Dad can say his sons team is on the bestest pal lacrosse team on long island.... why else?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]It is totally false every single kid that plays on my son Mohawks team (2023) is from Massapequa. There is not one kid from another town on the team. This past year in Football there was one kid from West Islip on the team, but never in all the years my son has been playing has there been a kid not from Massapequa on the team. Sorry for winning every tournament we played in the last 2 years, sorry i think we lost once in the Championship game. Stop trying to make excuses because our kids ran circles around your son team… Good luck this season...

Easy buddy, Winning town tournaments isn't anything to brag about.

I'm confused why is winning town tournaments any less important than winning club tournaments?? Kids win with their friends not strangers from random towns and Eventually win HS championships together. These are the memories these kids will remember. Not winning a random tournament with some kid named Chad from CSH as your linemate...

Just one guys opinion..

I completely agree with you but when someone puffs out their chest bragging about records and stats he needs to be brought down a notch as the level of play is much different on a club level. If they were playing against a Legacy, 9D1, Igloo or Express the outcome would be very different.

thanks for being the [lacrosse] who decides that he needed to be 'brought down a notch'
you're comparing apples and oranges. you can't say they should be beating club teams....it doesn't work that way. they are a town team, they win town tournaments.
you can't expect town teams to compete against the top level travel programs that recruit from all over LI.

Clearly you are slow. I didn't say they should be beating clubs teams. I simply stated that the result would be different. And it does work that way. Town teams like CSH, RVC, Garden City can beat club teams. If you agree with what the town daddy is saying then you must be jerkoff as well.

GC, maybe.... I'll give you Manhassett too.... but CSH & RVC are not beating any decent club team (I'm not even going to imagine what would happen if they go up against top club teams).
CSH & RVC town programs are a nightmare. And since this thread started by bashing Pequa, how have both CSH & RVC done head to head vs Pequa? Yeah, that's what I thought, jerkoff!!

GC, maybe.... I'll give you Manhassett too.... but CSH & RVC are not beating any decent club team (I'm not even going to imagine what would happen if they go up against top club teams).
CSH & RVC town programs are a nightmare. And since this thread started by bashing Pequa, how have both CSH & RVC done head to head vs Pequa? Yeah, that's what I thought, jerkoff!! [/quote]

CSH and RVC can hold their own against B Club teams. Keep beating your Town drum fella. Low expectations and weak results seem to be your thing...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK now a real question. When is the PAL schedule coming out? Is it going to be on tourney machine again? Will they keep the records this year? Thanks

Keep records for what purpose??

so Dad can say his sons team is on the bestest pal lacrosse team on long island.... why else?

LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

GC, maybe.... I'll give you Manhassett too.... but CSH & RVC are not beating any decent club team (I'm not even going to imagine what would happen if they go up against top club teams).
CSH & RVC town programs are a nightmare. And since this thread started by bashing Pequa, how have both CSH & RVC done head to head vs Pequa? Yeah, that's what I thought, jerkoff!!

Easy there, i think you are confusing the RVC "town travel team" with PAL. 2 completely separate organizations. Just about everyone plays PAL, not everyone plays the travel team. Each PAL team is pretty good and can hang (this is a PAL thread after all). But they only do PAL games, no tourneys. The travel teams are hit and miss but can compete with some B teams. I for one think Massapequa has a good town program based on results. Can't speak to any behind the scenes stuff.

There are many town pal teams that are very good. The reason is simple. Kids play travel as well as their town. The best pal teams have more kids playing travel lax. There should be a PAL tournament that reflects the best of the best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are many town pal teams that are very good. The reason is simple. Kids play travel as well as their town. The best pal teams have more kids playing travel lax. There should be a PAL tournament that reflects the best of the best.

They used to have something at the end of the year. We did it maybe 2-3 years ago. Everyone kind of groaned about it, us included. Between pal and town and travel getting going it was kind of whoever drew the short straw went. You never know at tourneys whether a town is town travel or pal I guess.

Town tourneys are s joke these days. Everyone is stacking their teams with 3-5 bonus kids from their kids' travel club.

If the kid lives in said town, how is that "stacking"?

How bout some schedules PAL..I mean the season Starts in 2 weeks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How bout some schedules PAL..I mean the season Starts in 2 weeks

Its a thankless and hard job but yes, where is the schedule?

Home schedule were sent out to organizations 2 weeks ago and sent to coaches last week. Away games should be sent to Orgs this week and coaches next week. If you're a coach and haven't received a schedule I would talk to your board. If your a parent or a kid ask your coach. Schedules will not be posted online other than Horizon but that is just for coaches not the public.

Then why are they not posted on the PAL website?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then why are they not posted on the PAL website?

Because a volunteer has to take the time to enter every game manually

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then why are they not posted on the PAL website?

When was the last time they posted the full schedules on the PAL site? The last few years, I think they have not posted the schedules - all they posted was a lay out of the weeks in the schedule, IE, what game #s were in what week - game #1 on 4/2 & 3, etc. Why are you somehow expecting them to now post more now?

tourney machine was nice. easy access to info such as fields, times, etc. Get with it guys....2017.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

tourney machine was nice. easy access to info such as fields, times, etc. Get with it guys....2017.

Step up and volunteer - tools are great when there is someone to use those tools. Otherwise, a tool alone is useless.

Originally Posted by thavngr98

Home schedule were sent out to organizations 2 weeks ago and sent to coaches last week. Away games should be sent to Orgs this week and coaches next week. If you're a coach and haven't received a schedule I would talk to your board. If your a parent or a kid ask your coach. Schedules will not be posted online other than Horizon but that is just for coaches not the public.

This makes no sense..... All we are hearing is about how difficult it is to schedule all these games. Why would anyone go thru the trouble of sending only home games to orgs 2 weeks ago...and then to coaches last week. That would be even more difficult than just sending the full schedule.

All you guys looking for schedules now.... just sit and wait. You will get your schedule after it is sent to your PAL director.
Most likely what is going to happen is you will be given your 1st game day/time and receive balance of season schedule after game 1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

tourney machine was nice. easy access to info such as fields, times, etc. Get with it guys....2017.

Last year the schedule was on tourney machine and it was very helpful to everyone.

PAL makes a lot of money off of lacrosse in Long Island there is no reason why a volunteer should be entering the games into the system. They should be able to pay someone to run the league efficiently with all of the money they make off of the league. PAL is a complete joke

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL makes a lot of money off of lacrosse in Long Island there is no reason why a volunteer should be entering the games into the system. They should be able to pay someone to run the league efficiently with all of the money they make off of the league. PAL is a complete joke

Are you referring to the Police Activity League? Non profit organization? Go to a club team if you don't like it. Bargain for $3000 a season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

tourney machine was nice. easy access to info such as fields, times, etc. Get with it guys....2017.

Last year the schedule was on tourney machine and it was very helpful to everyone.

The schedules were not. Just the ratings of teams ie: Red, Blue, Gold, etc...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by thavngr98

Home schedule were sent out to organizations 2 weeks ago and sent to coaches last week. Away games should be sent to Orgs this week and coaches next week. If you're a coach and haven't received a schedule I would talk to your board. If your a parent or a kid ask your coach. Schedules will not be posted online other than Horizon but that is just for coaches not the public.

This makes no sense..... All we are hearing is about how difficult it is to schedule all these games. Why would anyone go thru the trouble of sending only home games to orgs 2 weeks ago...and then to coaches last week. That would be even more difficult than just sending the full schedule.

All you guys looking for schedules now.... just sit and wait. You will get your schedule after it is sent to your PAL director.
Most likely what is going to happen is you will be given your 1st game day/time and receive balance of season schedule after game 1.

Reading what I posted I see I didn't explain it correctly. PAL gives all Dates to the Home teams. The different Home Orgs then take those dates and schedule all of their teams for times and field use. This gets sent in and approved by PAL. At this point the Home coaches receive the home schedule as well as Away dates but Time and Field are TBD. As others submit their home schedules to PAL they will release the Away times. We have been told dont expect Away times till week of. Which in my team sucks as we are Away week 1.
Sorry and I hope that cleared it up.

I'd be interested in knowing what league you play for. Sachem North doesn't have a 6th Grade team. There are 2 6th grade teams for Sachem. One with SSC and one with SYAG. And as far as I'm aware(my son plays on one and we have many friends in the other) the kids are all Sachem. So again, what 6th grade team is yours on?

what was this in reference to. Also to set the record straight Sachem has 3 PAL 6th grade teams this season. 1 from SYAG and 2 from SSC.

Non for profit doesn't mean people aren't making good money working for the organization. Many "non for profits" pay their employees very well. If you do the math of what it cost PAL to run the Spring lacrosse league you would know there's plenty of money available. Where does all the money go?? It certainly doesn't go back to the boys and girls who play in the league. Don't give me the non for profit bs, I would love to see the books for the Nassau county PAL lacrosse league, I'm sure there's plenty of profit there. All people want is for the league to be run efficiently is that too much to ask.

All kids from Sachem? Haha. Just like the travel team. Go in under Sachem and you have kids from all over. Hysterical

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Non for profit doesn't mean people aren't making good money working for the organization. Many "non for profits" pay their employees very well. If you do the math of what it cost PAL to run the Spring lacrosse league you would know there's plenty of money available. Where does all the money go?? It certainly doesn't go back to the boys and girls who play in the league. Don't give me the non for profit bs, I would love to see the books for the Nassau county PAL lacrosse league, I'm sure there's plenty of profit there. All people want is for the league to be run efficiently is that too much to ask.

Uninformed, so I will inform, the money goes into the general pool, it is then used to fund everything else. Other sports, referees, field fees, uniforms. You're an angry dude at a NOT FOR PROFIT, who doesn't volunteer, but pitches a fit. Go to club, get what you pay for. Then you can complain, but until then, put a cork in it angry guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Non for profit doesn't mean people aren't making good money working for the organization. Many "non for profits" pay their employees very well. If you do the math of what it cost PAL to run the Spring lacrosse league you would know there's plenty of money available. Where does all the money go?? It certainly doesn't go back to the boys and girls who play in the league. Don't give me the non for profit bs, I would love to see the books for the Nassau county PAL lacrosse league, I'm sure there's plenty of profit there. All people want is for the league to be run efficiently is that too much to ask.

So you want to see the books, go ahead and file a FOIL request and look them over. PAL is county sponsored so it's pretty simple. Let us all know when you're done going over the books. Guessing that is too much work for you, it's easier to come on BOTC and complain. Typical!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by thavngr98

Home schedule were sent out to organizations 2 weeks ago and sent to coaches last week. Away games should be sent to Orgs this week and coaches next week. If you're a coach and haven't received a schedule I would talk to your board. If your a parent or a kid ask your coach. Schedules will not be posted online other than Horizon but that is just for coaches not the public.

This makes no sense..... All we are hearing is about how difficult it is to schedule all these games. Why would anyone go thru the trouble of sending only home games to orgs 2 weeks ago...and then to coaches last week. That would be even more difficult than just sending the full schedule.

All you guys looking for schedules now.... just sit and wait. You will get your schedule after it is sent to your PAL director.
Most likely what is going to happen is you will be given your 1st game day/time and receive balance of season schedule after game 1.

I'm on the board of my Local Club, this is how it works.

Step 1 Each town submits their teams and levels
Step 2 PAL figures out divisions
Step 3 PAL matches teams up on certain Dates
Step 4 Towns get the schedules, and home town sets up times. - which is why coaches got their home schedules
Step 5 those times get sent to PAL
Step 6 Schedule is verified, changes are made if necessary
Step 7 Schedules approved and posted

Most of the fees you pay to PAL go to your home town league. That covers ref fees, practice field fees (yes we all pay the towns/schools to use their fields), uniforms, training, First Aid Certifications for coaches, and the ultimate reason we coach lacrosse- the free coaches t-shirts!

Hopefully it makes some more sense to you now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Non for profit doesn't mean people aren't making good money working for the organization. Many "non for profits" pay their employees very well. If you do the math of what it cost PAL to run the Spring lacrosse league you would know there's plenty of money available. Where does all the money go?? It certainly doesn't go back to the boys and girls who play in the league. Don't give me the non for profit bs, I would love to see the books for the Nassau county PAL lacrosse league, I'm sure there's plenty of profit there. All people want is for the league to be run efficiently is that too much to ask.

It's "Not for Profit" . . .

And how how familiar are you with the finances of PAL?

guys all anyone is saying here is that PAL has been around forever. There are apps and computer programs that streamline the scheduling process. It just seems crazy that a week or two away and parents can't plan out their weekends. We all have multiple children, with numerous activities going on. The more notice, the more its appreciated by us. The old days of playing local sports down the block and walking to and from the field are long gone. Now, we drive all over for practices, games, and clinics. The sooner the schedules could be "posted" someone the better for us. Thank you! Honestly, thank you for helping out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

guys all anyone is saying here is that PAL has been around forever. There are apps and computer programs that streamline the scheduling process. It just seems crazy that a week or two away and parents can't plan out their weekends. We all have multiple children, with numerous activities going on. The more notice, the more its appreciated by us. The old days of playing local sports down the block and walking to and from the field are long gone. Now, we drive all over for practices, games, and clinics. The sooner the schedules could be "posted" someone the better for us. Thank you! Honestly, thank you for helping out.

No, that is NOT what is being said. What is being said/implied is that PAL is unscrupulous with the finances. That was what the poster wrote, as well as the "non for profit" BS statement. Schedules are worked around field usage (High School, JV, Freshman girls and boys), as well as coaches work schedules, and a slew of other scheduling nightmares. To simplify it means you have not lived it. The poster was way off base, he implied that a great organization like PAL is "corrupt" for lack of a better term. He can look at the books at any time, it's public record. He's a moron who sits on his a$$ and criticizes others. Get a whistle and get in the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

guys all anyone is saying here is that PAL has been around forever. There are apps and computer programs that streamline the scheduling process. It just seems crazy that a week or two away and parents can't plan out their weekends. We all have multiple children, with numerous activities going on. The more notice, the more its appreciated by us. The old days of playing local sports down the block and walking to and from the field are long gone. Now, we drive all over for practices, games, and clinics. The sooner the schedules could be "posted" someone the better for us. Thank you! Honestly, thank you for helping out.

Here is the main problem some towns as of last night did not send in their schedules. So a couple of Towns hold up the schedule for everyone else.

Just block off every Sunday from now until the end of May as "Lacrosse" and you're done. That's what we do. Makes life simple. It's lacrosse season!!!! Woot! Woot!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

guys all anyone is saying here is that PAL has been around forever. There are apps and computer programs that streamline the scheduling process. It just seems crazy that a week or two away and parents can't plan out their weekends. We all have multiple children, with numerous activities going on. The more notice, the more its appreciated by us. The old days of playing local sports down the block and walking to and from the field are long gone. Now, we drive all over for practices, games, and clinics. The sooner the schedules could be "posted" someone the better for us. Thank you! Honestly, thank you for helping out.

Here is the main problem some towns as of last night did not send in their schedules. So a couple of Towns hold up the schedule for everyone else.

send in your schedules or else get what we give you period! Your time has lapsed!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

guys all anyone is saying here is that PAL has been around forever. There are apps and computer programs that streamline the scheduling process. It just seems crazy that a week or two away and parents can't plan out their weekends. We all have multiple children, with numerous activities going on. The more notice, the more its appreciated by us. The old days of playing local sports down the block and walking to and from the field are long gone. Now, we drive all over for practices, games, and clinics. The sooner the schedules could be "posted" someone the better for us. Thank you! Honestly, thank you for helping out.

Here is the main problem some towns as of last night did not send in their schedules. So a couple of Towns hold up the schedule for everyone else.

send in your schedules or else get what we give you period! Your time has lapsed!

Except when the team doesn't show up because the coaches had a conflict, such as work or family obligations then the day is truly wasted. Because unless the salary structure has changed since I coached PAL, I'm not losing money or family events. So, probably best to take care of the guys who wear the whistle first, the parents second, for those parents who don't like it, ask to take over the team. It's a truly difficult task to coach these teams, parents who don't coach don't realize it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

guys all anyone is saying here is that PAL has been around forever. There are apps and computer programs that streamline the scheduling process. It just seems crazy that a week or two away and parents can't plan out their weekends. We all have multiple children, with numerous activities going on. The more notice, the more its appreciated by us. The old days of playing local sports down the block and walking to and from the field are long gone. Now, we drive all over for practices, games, and clinics. The sooner the schedules could be "posted" someone the better for us. Thank you! Honestly, thank you for helping out.

No, that is NOT what is being said. What is being said/implied is that PAL is unscrupulous with the finances. That was what the poster wrote, as well as the "non for profit" BS statement. Schedules are worked around field usage (High School, JV, Freshman girls and boys), as well as coaches work schedules, and a slew of other scheduling nightmares. To simplify it means you have not lived it. The poster was way off base, he implied that a great organization like PAL is "corrupt" for lack of a better term. He can look at the books at any time, it's public record. He's a moron who sits on his a$$ and criticizes others. Get a whistle and get in the game.

Crooks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

guys all anyone is saying here is that PAL has been around forever. There are apps and computer programs that streamline the scheduling process. It just seems crazy that a week or two away and parents can't plan out their weekends. We all have multiple children, with numerous activities going on. The more notice, the more its appreciated by us. The old days of playing local sports down the block and walking to and from the field are long gone. Now, we drive all over for practices, games, and clinics. The sooner the schedules could be "posted" someone the better for us. Thank you! Honestly, thank you for helping out.

No, that is NOT what is being said. What is being said/implied is that PAL is unscrupulous with the finances. That was what the poster wrote, as well as the "non for profit" BS statement. Schedules are worked around field usage (High School, JV, Freshman girls and boys), as well as coaches work schedules, and a slew of other scheduling nightmares. To simplify it means you have not lived it. The poster was way off base, he implied that a great organization like PAL is "corrupt" for lack of a better term. He can look at the books at any time, it's public record. He's a moron who sits on his a$$ and criticizes others. Get a whistle and get in the game.

Crooks.

PAL? Crooks? You must own a club team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All kids from Sachem? Haha. Just like the travel team. Go in under Sachem and you have kids from all over. Hysterical

Yep. Unfortunately, the S in SYAG stands for Shady. They are constantly bringing in help. They play town teams with 4 extra outsiders on their team. The district is tremendous, yet they still can't enter a tournament without cheating. It's they way it is with those guys, but hey, this is sachem we're talking about. What did we expect?

What's a non for profit?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All kids from Sachem? Haha. Just like the travel team. Go in under Sachem and you have kids from all over. Hysterical

The only qualifiers to play for Sachem are 1) The parents need to be related and 2) They can't have all of their teeth. If both are true, your boy can play for Sachem.

I heard that before sachem and no teeth ? What does that mean ? Where are you from ? The same [lacrosse] Long Island town like everyone else ? The safe dirty trash roads , same vacant store fronts in shopping centers like everywhere on Long Island. The same drug problem schools ? Where are you from that rest Island doesn't have ? I'm not from sachem but live south of it in sayville and really no difference. Have a lot of friends and good people in the Sachem district.

It's funny it those guys enter a travel Tournament and win they are cheating, they enter a town Tournament and win they are cheating. I guess they really never can win in the long run. And really what do they win a tshirts they already paid to much for. Dam cheaters!!

SYAG 6th grade lost 2x to Oyster Bay 6th in the Hub tourney this weekend. Which team was that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just block off every Sunday from now until the end of May as "Lacrosse" and you're done. That's what we do. Makes life simple. It's lacrosse season!!!! Woot! Woot!

Agreed.Too much square rooting going on here.

In my opinion, the two town programs within Sachem do nothing positive to help the development of players. Two summers ago SYAG football had to come over the SSC because the program was poorly run and now SSC football has one of the best program offerings on Long Island. I'll bet Sachem has more kids (boys & girls) playing more football than any district on the island. The SSC Board had the vision to add flag two years ago and it far exceeded expectations. Hopefully, lacrosse can take a similar path in the district.

HaHaHa.. You must be on SSc payroll.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my opinion, the two town programs within Sachem do nothing positive to help the development of players. Two summers ago SYAG football had to come over the SSC because the program was poorly run and now SSC football has one of the best program offerings on Long Island. I'll bet Sachem has more kids (boys & girls) playing more football than any district on the island. The SSC Board had the vision to add flag two years ago and it far exceeded expectations. Hopefully, lacrosse can take a similar path in the district.

HaHaHa.. You must be on SSc payroll. Oh wait they don't take any money, yeah right!! They are as crooked as their teeth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that before sachem and no teeth ? What does that mean ? Where are you from ? The same [lacrosse] Long Island town like everyone else ? The safe dirty trash roads , same vacant store fronts in shopping centers like everywhere on Long Island. The same drug problem schools ? Where are you from that rest Island doesn't have ? I'm not from sachem but live south of it in sayville and really no difference. Have a lot of friends and good people in the Sachem district.

I agree Sachem seems nice to me. I have friends out that way. Sayville is nice as well. Some people on here are just turds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that before sachem and no teeth ? What does that mean ? Where are you from ? The same [lacrosse] Long Island town like everyone else ? The safe dirty trash roads , same vacant store fronts in shopping centers like everywhere on Long Island. The same drug problem schools ? Where are you from that rest Island doesn't have ? I'm not from sachem but live south of it in sayville and really no difference. Have a lot of friends and good people in the Sachem district.

Wow - way to paint the whole of LI - Nassau and Suffolk with a broad brush that doesn't reflect reality. There are plenty of communities in Nassau that are a far cry from what you portray - maybe that's all of Suffolk, but I doubt it, even there. Moron!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I heard that before sachem and no teeth ? What does that mean ? Where are you from ? The same [lacrosse] Long Island town like everyone else ? The safe dirty trash roads , same vacant store fronts in shopping centers like everywhere on Long Island. The same drug problem schools ? Where are you from that rest Island doesn't have ? I'm not from sachem but live south of it in sayville and really no difference. Have a lot of friends and good people in the Sachem district.

Wow - way to paint the whole of LI - Nassau and Suffolk with a broad brush that doesn't reflect reality. There are plenty of communities in Nassau that are a far cry from what you portray - maybe that's all of Suffolk, but I doubt it, even there. Moron!

Wow what are you a high class hillbilly. You must have 10 of your teeth

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I heard that before sachem and no teeth ? What does that mean ? Where are you from ? The same [lacrosse] Long Island town like everyone else ? The safe dirty trash roads , same vacant store fronts in shopping centers like everywhere on Long Island. The same drug problem schools ? Where are you from that rest Island doesn't have ? I'm not from sachem but live south of it in sayville and really no difference. Have a lot of friends and good people in the Sachem district.

Wow - way to paint the whole of LI - Nassau and Suffolk with a broad brush that doesn't reflect reality. There are plenty of communities in Nassau that are a far cry from what you portray - maybe that's all of Suffolk, but I doubt it, even there. Moron!

Wow what are you a high class hillbilly. You must have 10 of your teeth

Don't even go there - there's an entire swath of the north shore of Nassau (and even into Suffolk!) where you could easily poke fun for entirely different reasons, but they are the complete "opposite" what you are implying.

Not here to battle what town is better I travel all over LI for work , yes beautiful spots on the Gold Coast of LI in Suffolk and Nassau . Then what the traffic jams towns in Nassau off the SSP . Those areas are crap. Every 6 miles new town with a different school district. Trash on the roads like everywhere else. JMO long islanders are slobs. Throw same 7-11 cup out the window from st.james to to massapequa to queens border up to syosset. SLOBS !! So for you to say no teeth / sleeping with sister totally untrue. I can tell you a Sachem / Connetqout kids are hard working kids from parents that are teachers Cops Fireman.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not here to battle what town is better I travel all over LI for work , yes beautiful spots on the Gold Coast of LI in Suffolk and Nassau . Then what the traffic jams towns in Nassau off the SSP . Those areas are crap. Every 6 miles new town with a different school district. Trash on the roads like everywhere else. JMO long islanders are slobs. Throw same 7-11 cup out the window from st.james to to massapequa to queens border up to syosset. SLOBS !! So for you to say no teeth / sleeping with sister totally untrue. I can tell you a Sachem / Connetqout kids are hard working kids from parents that are teachers Cops Fireman.

Hat to be rude, but your post made little sense, I assume you are posting on a phone.

It was the only SYAG 6th Grade team in Sachem. The team where they kicked out their defensive coach for "not bringing the defense up to par"...unreal those guys. Bad news travel fast in the PAL League. And then they asked him to step down as director? Unreal. You give your time to kids and you get kicked out as a volunteer. Looks like that worked out for them. The kids always suffer because the parents think they are getting their kids a D1 scholarship. It's comical.

PAL guys do a great job. If you can do better donate your time and stop the BS

Hillbillies, bad teeth, vacant store fronts, what the [lacrosse] does any of that have to do with lax, bashing the town where kids live truly pathetic, let the kids play without all the BS parent's bring to the mix, in the end the better programs will come out on top if I wanted to read classless posts by classless parents I'd be checking out the club postings

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hillbillies, bad teeth, vacant store fronts, what the [lacrosse] does any of that have to do with lax, bashing the town where kids live truly pathetic, let the kids play without all the BS parent's bring to the mix, in the end the better programs will come out on top if I wanted to read classless posts by classless parents I'd be checking out the club postings

This has to be the longest run-on sentence I've ever seen. I bet you're a proud Sachem alum. Club lax is probably out of your price range skippy.

U just proved the guys point

This is getting crazy. My first PAL game in a week and I don't have a game time. It is that hard?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is getting crazy. My first PAL game in a week and I don't have a game time. It is that hard?

You play games on Wednesday? Chances are your game will be one week from Sunday between the hours of 9:00 am and 2:00 pm.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is getting crazy. My first PAL game in a week and I don't have a game time. It is that hard?

Same thing as last year, so why are you so surprised? Blame the few towns that haven't submitted their info to PAL yet. And, lastly, figure your Sundays through the one after Memorial Day (except Easter and Mem Day weekend) are shot, and you can't go wrong!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HaHaHa.. You must be on SSc payroll.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my opinion, the two town programs within Sachem do nothing positive to help the development of players. Two summers ago SYAG football had to come over the SSC because the program was poorly run and now SSC football has one of the best program offerings on Long Island. I'll bet Sachem has more kids (boys & girls) playing more football than any district on the island. The SSC Board had the vision to add flag two years ago and it far exceeded expectations. Hopefully, lacrosse can take a similar path in the district.

HaHaHa.. You must be on SSc payroll. Oh wait they don't take any money, yeah right!! They are as crooked as their teeth.

Half their travel team isn't from Sachem. They shouldn't be allowed to play in PAL against true town teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HaHaHa.. You must be on SSc payroll.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my opinion, the two town programs within Sachem do nothing positive to help the development of players. Two summers ago SYAG football had to come over the SSC because the program was poorly run and now SSC football has one of the best program offerings on Long Island. I'll bet Sachem has more kids (boys & girls) playing more football than any district on the island. The SSC Board had the vision to add flag two years ago and it far exceeded expectations. Hopefully, lacrosse can take a similar path in the district.

HaHaHa.. You must be on SSc payroll. Oh wait they don't take any money, yeah right!! They are as crooked as their teeth.

Half their travel team isn't from Sachem. They shouldn't be allowed to play in PAL against true town teams.

Travel team doesn't play in PAL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is getting crazy. My first PAL game in a week and I don't have a game time. It is that hard?

Same thing as last year, so why are you so surprised? Blame the few towns that haven't submitted their info to PAL yet. And, lastly, figure your Sundays through the one after Memorial Day (except Easter and Mem Day weekend) are shot, and you can't go wrong!

Easter is going to push the PAL season into June this year.
Each team has 8 games, right? 6/4 will be your last game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is getting crazy. My first PAL game in a week and I don't have a game time. It is that hard?

You play games on Wednesday? Chances are your game will be one week from Sunday between the hours of 9:00 am and 2:00 pm.

you're a dork! Chances are you lead a lonely life and negativity makes you feel special.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is getting crazy. My first PAL game in a week and I don't have a game time. It is that hard?

Same thing as last year, so why are you so surprised? Blame the few towns that haven't submitted their info to PAL yet. And, lastly, figure your Sundays through the one after Memorial Day (except Easter and Mem Day weekend) are shot, and you can't go wrong!

Easter is going to push the PAL season into June this year.
Each team has 8 games, right? 6/4 will be your last game.

Yes - the Sunday after Memorial Day weekend . . .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is getting crazy. My first PAL game in a week and I don't have a game time. It is that hard?

Agree, enough already, if the towns don't get it in on the deadline, they get what they get. What is so hard? Distribute the damn schedules already. Its not unreasonable. As far as clear your whole sunday for the next two months....people do have lives, be considerate of everyone else in this league. The few teams that can't get their crap together, well, too bad! enough already!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is getting crazy. My first PAL game in a week and I don't have a game time. It is that hard?

Agree, enough already, if the towns don't get it in on the deadline, they get what they get. What is so hard? Distribute the damn schedules already. Its not unreasonable. As far as clear your whole sunday for the next two months....people do have lives, be considerate of everyone else in this league. The few teams that can't get their crap together, well, too bad! enough already!

What do you guys not understand.... PAL can't just say you get what you get. PAL doesn't control the fields to put out a master schedule. They need the input back from each local group so they can put out a schedule.

And if they just sent you a date/time, you'll be the first one on hear complaining that it isn't fair. We're 10 days out from getting the season started...... RELAX. If this were next Wednesday/Thursday and it still isn't out, then you can complain

Suffolk PAL schedule is up. Didn't check Nassau though

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is getting crazy. My first PAL game in a week and I don't have a game time. It is that hard?

Agree, enough already, if the towns don't get it in on the deadline, they get what they get. What is so hard? Distribute the damn schedules already. Its not unreasonable. As far as clear your whole sunday for the next two months....people do have lives, be considerate of everyone else in this league. The few teams that can't get their crap together, well, too bad! enough already!

What do you guys not understand.... PAL can't just say you get what you get. PAL doesn't control the fields to put out a master schedule. They need the input back from each local group so they can put out a schedule.

And if they just sent you a date/time, you'll be the first one on hear complaining that it isn't fair. We're 10 days out from getting the season started...... RELAX. If this were next Wednesday/Thursday and it still isn't out, then you can complain

Exactly - when you have two less games because those teams that "get what they get" don't show up, tell me how thrilled you were that you had your schedule for week 1 sooner! Let's repeat: the last two or three years, you only get the week 1 schedule at first anyway - the remainder of the schedule will come out sometime early the second week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is getting crazy. My first PAL game in a week and I don't have a game time. It is that hard?

Agree, enough already, if the towns don't get it in on the deadline, they get what they get. What is so hard? Distribute the damn schedules already. Its not unreasonable. As far as clear your whole sunday for the next two months....people do have lives, be considerate of everyone else in this league. The few teams that can't get their crap together, well, too bad! enough already!

Don't sign your kid up then. Stop crying about the damn schedule. There is so much more that goes into scheduling which you clearly don't understand. How about you give PAL YOUR schedule so they can work around you.

listen "pal" get off the computer and stop criticizing the parents and get the "PAL" schedule out there. You've all had plenty of time. Fields? Permits? Contact the town, fax or email permits? Stop with your crying. Do it step down, someone else will do it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

listen "pal" get off the computer and stop criticizing the parents and get the "PAL" schedule out there. You've all had plenty of time. Fields? Permits? Contact the town, fax or email permits? Stop with your crying. Do it step down, someone else will do it

Are you volunteering your time to PAL?? No? Thought so! Feel free to make a difference: http://ncpal.pointstreaksites.com/view/ncpal/contact-152

Originally Posted by Anonymous

listen "pal" get off the computer and stop criticizing the parents and get the "PAL" schedule out there. You've all had plenty of time. Fields? Permits? Contact the town, fax or email permits? Stop with your crying. Do it step down, someone else will do it

Play club you selfish loser.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is getting crazy. My first PAL game in a week and I don't have a game time. It is that hard?

Agree, enough already, if the towns don't get it in on the deadline, they get what they get. What is so hard? Distribute the damn schedules already. Its not unreasonable. As far as clear your whole sunday for the next two months....people do have lives, be considerate of everyone else in this league. The few teams that can't get their crap together, well, too bad! enough already!

Don't sign your kid up then. Stop crying about the damn schedule. There is so much more that goes into scheduling which you clearly don't understand. How about you give PAL YOUR schedule so they can work around you.

PAL is the worst thing going.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is getting crazy. My first PAL game in a week and I don't have a game time. It is that hard?

Agree, enough already, if the towns don't get it in on the deadline, they get what they get. What is so hard? Distribute the damn schedules already. Its not unreasonable. As far as clear your whole sunday for the next two months....people do have lives, be considerate of everyone else in this league. The few teams that can't get their crap together, well, too bad! enough already!

Don't sign your kid up then. Stop crying about the damn schedule. There is so much more that goes into scheduling which you clearly don't understand. How about you give PAL YOUR schedule so they can work around you.

PAL is the worst thing going.

But for some it is the right fit and maybe financially the only option.

My kid plays club, and loves it, but he really LOVES PAL. The kids have a lot of fun! With that said, not having a schedule is silly at this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid plays club, and loves it, but he really LOVES PAL. The kids have a lot of fun! With that said, not having a schedule is silly at this point.

It's because they have to tailor it around the coaches personal lives, as they should.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Suffolk PAL schedule is up. Didn't check Nassau though

Ive had my Suffolk schedule for weeks. Nassau schedule probably takes longer because you're all a bunch of whiny bitches! My game is in 10 days and I don't know what time! What am I going to do?!?!? Why wife wants to get waxed and I need a pedicure! You all need a smack.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Suffolk PAL schedule is up. Didn't check Nassau though

Ive had my Suffolk schedule for weeks. Nassau schedule probably takes longer because you're all a bunch of whiny bitches! My game is in 10 days and I don't know what time! What am I going to do?!?!? Why wife wants to get waxed and I need a pedicure! You all need a smack.

So, you got your PAL schedule, did you get curbs and dentists yet? You do realize those brown things in your mouth should be white don't you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Suffolk PAL schedule is up. Didn't check Nassau though

Ive had my Suffolk schedule for weeks. Nassau schedule probably takes longer because you're all a bunch of whiny bitches! My game is in 10 days and I don't know what time! What am I going to do?!?!? Why wife wants to get waxed and I need a pedicure! You all need a smack.

So, you got your PAL schedule, did you get curbs and dentists yet? You do realize those brown things in your mouth should be white don't you?

Pedicures are awesome and fur down below is nasty. You need priorities Gomer!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Suffolk PAL schedule is up. Didn't check Nassau though

Ive had my Suffolk schedule for weeks. Nassau schedule probably takes longer because you're all a bunch of whiny bitches! My game is in 10 days and I don't know what time! What am I going to do?!?!? Why wife wants to get waxed and I need a pedicure! You all need a smack.

So, you got your PAL schedule, did you get curbs and dentists yet? You do realize those brown things in your mouth should be white don't you?

Pedicures are awesome and fur down below is nasty. You need priorities Gomer!

Ha! Good one, you schooled me! For a Suffolk dude you're pretty witty! Credit given!

All this hate for youth lacrosse?

Crazy how all of you go by the same name...Anonymous?

Youth lacrosse and all you talk
About is where people live and insult
Everyone. Real class acts on here. Losers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It was the only SYAG 6th Grade team in Sachem. The team where they kicked out their defensive coach for "not bringing the defense up to par"...unreal those guys. Bad news travel fast in the PAL League. And then they asked him to step down as director? Unreal. You give your time to kids and you get kicked out as a volunteer. Looks like that worked out for them. The kids always suffer because the parents think they are getting their kids a D1 scholarship. It's comical.

That same SYAG team has parents that will be enrolling kids in Catholic Schools because they think they have a better chance of their sons getting lacrosse scholarships.
They practice 3 hours a day 3 days a week in the winter months! The parents will say it's because they're dedicated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Youth lacrosse and all you talk
About is where people live and insult
Everyone. Real class acts on here. Losers

I resemble that darn you!

ok a serious question now. Any idea when they should be out? This weekend? Monday ? Thanks

Was told Sunday evening

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ok a serious question now. Any idea when they should be out? This weekend? Monday ? Thanks

My best guess (and it is just that), is Wednesday you'll be given the time, location and opponent for week 1 only.

Schedules should be out today per an email from the directors yesterday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules should be out today per an email from the directors yesterday

Are they posted somewhere or do you have to wait for your town officials to disseminate to your individual league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules should be out today per an email from the directors yesterday

Are they posted somewhere or do you have to wait for your town officials to disseminate to your individual league.

They haven't been posting them for a number of years now, so expect that you have to wait for communication from your league. Also, it may only be week 1's schedule today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules should be out today per an email from the directors yesterday

Are they posted somewhere or do you have to wait for your town officials to disseminate to your individual league.

They haven't been posting them for a number of years now, so expect that you have to wait for communication from your league. Also, it may only be week 1's schedule today.

That's inaccurate and fake lacrosse news. They post them to HorizonWebRef, which is the site they use and managed by them. It has all coaches contact info and schedules. The schedule are not loaded yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules should be out today per an email from the directors yesterday

Are they posted somewhere or do you have to wait for your town officials to disseminate to your individual league.

They haven't been posting them for a number of years now, so expect that you have to wait for communication from your league. Also, it may only be week 1's schedule today.

That's inaccurate and fake lacrosse news. They post them to HorizonWebRef, which is the site they use and managed by them. It has all coaches contact info and schedules. The schedule are not loaded yet.

That is a secure site for refs and coaches - the poster was clearly looking for a public posting. Use your head! If they were privy to that site, they would know that since the HorizonWeb E-Mails already went out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules should be out today per an email from the directors yesterday

Are they posted somewhere or do you have to wait for your town officials to disseminate to your individual league.

They haven't been posting them for a number of years now, so expect that you have to wait for communication from your league. Also, it may only be week 1's schedule today.

That's inaccurate and fake lacrosse news. They post them to HorizonWebRef, which is the site they use and managed by them. It has all coaches contact info and schedules. The schedule are not loaded yet.

That is a secure site for refs and coaches - the poster was clearly looking for a public posting. Use your head! If they were privy to that site, they would know that since the HorizonWeb E-Mails already went out.

Ummm, no. It was on tourney machine last year. They posted the schedules but not the scores and standings. So it was posted two places, 1 for the coaches and ref and the other for the public. Head used correctly.

The post above referenced HorizonWeb specifically, not ToirneyMachine.

I don't know, CYO basketball posts its schedules for everyone to see, plus scores. They don't seem to have a problem with it being unhealthy to share schedules and post scores. Whats the difference? CYO even plays double the games. That also is volenteer btw.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know, CYO basketball posts its schedules for everyone to see, plus scores. They don't seem to have a problem with it being unhealthy to share schedules and post scores. Whats the difference? CYO even plays double the games. That also is volenteer btw.

true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SYAG 6th grade lost 2x to Oyster Bay 6th in the Hub tourney this weekend. Which team was that?

It was their travel team. They have 2 teams. A PAL team that plays winter and spring and a select/travel team that plays tourney. Some kids play both but not all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SYAG 6th grade lost 2x to Oyster Bay 6th in the Hub tourney this weekend. Which team was that?

It was their travel team. They have 2 teams. A PAL team that plays winter and spring and a select/travel team that plays tourney. Some kids play both but not all.

That Oyster Bay team has the coach who was kicked off the Outlaws for being a loud mouth.

How is it possible that we do not have PAL schedules???????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is it possible that we do not have PAL schedules???????

How is it possible that you're still complaining on here and not to your director. You prissy Nassau guys are annoying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know, CYO basketball posts its schedules for everyone to see, plus scores. They don't seem to have a problem with it being unhealthy to share schedules and post scores. Whats the difference? CYO even plays double the games. That also is volenteer btw.

true

Suffolk PAL posts everything too. All schedules and scores. They really do it right.

Actually , I am not complaining just wondering(it's not crazy when games are a week out). I did ask my director and it's out of his hands. No need to be so mean spirited when you know nothing about me. I can only think that you are a miserable person not from Nassau. All good. Be nice!

Oyster Bay Coach is a great guy who left Outlaws voluntarily after disagreements with PB. He's happy coaching at another club. 8 kids left the Outlaws and followed him. Must frustrate haters to see him doing so well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oyster Bay Coach is a great guy who left Outlaws voluntarily after disagreements with PB. He's happy coaching at another club. 8 kids left the Outlaws and followed him. Must frustrate haters to see him doing so well.

Heard the new coach is terrible and that's why more kids left after Oyster Bay coach took 3 kids with him.

You are seriously misinformed

schedules are out. thank you guys

Where are the schedules posted ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SYAG 6th grade lost 2x to Oyster Bay 6th in the Hub tourney this weekend. Which team was that?

It was their travel team. They have 2 teams. A PAL team that plays winter and spring and a select/travel team that plays tourney. Some kids play both but not all.

That Oyster Bay team has the coach who was kicked off the Outlaws for being a loud mouth.

Can anyone confirm that SYAG has out of town kids on the team? I know the team went from a B level team to an A very quickly, they claim its the coaching?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SYAG 6th grade lost 2x to Oyster Bay 6th in the Hub tourney this weekend. Which team was that?

It was their travel team. They have 2 teams. A PAL team that plays winter and spring and a select/travel team that plays tourney. Some kids play both but not all.

That Oyster Bay team has the coach who was kicked off the Outlaws for being a loud mouth.

They should look at themselves first. Both PB and MB are the loud mouths. My son played for MB and the parents used to bet over/under for the number of penalties that would be called on him during the tournament.

SYAG PAL team includes all players only from Sachem schools. SYAG select is a travel team which has 3 players who are from outside the Sachem area.

SYAG TRAVEL then is not a true TOWN team ... thank you for the honesty ......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SYAG 6th grade lost 2x to Oyster Bay 6th in the Hub tourney this weekend. Which team was that?

It was their travel team. They have 2 teams. A PAL team that plays winter and spring and a select/travel team that plays tourney. Some kids play both but not all.

That Oyster Bay team has the coach who was kicked off the Outlaws for being a loud mouth.

Can anyone confirm that SYAG has out of town kids on the team? I know the team went from a B level team to an A very quickly, they claim its the coaching?

I'm not from Sachem, but I do coach against them. That team went from B to A because they restructured the league before last PAL season. Couple that with a coach that is more dedicated than most and the result is what you see on the field. That guy had those kids practicing all fall and winter, and the kids have bought in. They don't miss practice for baseball or basketball or anything else. They're committed.

They have a separate team, SYAG Select, that plays in travel tournaments. Though mostly Sachem kids, they have 4-5 out of towners. That's why they play against travel teams and not in town tournaments. They're a very good team. You guys need to let that whole thing go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SYAG TRAVEL then is not a true TOWN team ... thank you for the honesty ......

who cares anyway, They suck..

Well now that we know they SYAG Select aren't a Town team then we can be prepared when they show up at the Town Tournaments. So who should we expect in the Blatant Town Tournament the upcoming weekend. Its listed as SYAG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well now that we know they SYAG Select aren't a Town team then we can be prepared when they show up at the Town Tournaments. So who should we expect in the Blatant Town Tournament the upcoming weekend. Its listed as SYAG.

Expect their Travel team. They tried that non sense with my sons team but it didn't turn out as they expected.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well now that we know they SYAG Select aren't a Town team then we can be prepared when they show up at the Town Tournaments. So who should we expect in the Blatant Town Tournament the upcoming weekend. Its listed as SYAG.

Just keep your kid home. No one wants to hear your excuses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oyster Bay Coach is a great guy who left Outlaws voluntarily after disagreements with PB. He's happy coaching at another club. 8 kids left the Outlaws and followed him. Must frustrate haters to see him doing so well.

Guy is a lunatic former military that is all about his kid who is below average. Listen he puts time in but knows little and is not all there been in OB a long time this is well known

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SYAG 6th grade lost 2x to Oyster Bay 6th in the Hub tourney this weekend. Which team was that?

It was their travel team. They have 2 teams. A PAL team that plays winter and spring and a select/travel team that plays tourney. Some kids play both but not all.

That Oyster Bay team has the coach who was kicked off the Outlaws for being a loud mouth.

They should look at themselves first. Both PB and MB are the loud mouths. My son played for MB and the parents used to bet over/under for the number of penalties that would be called on him during the tournament.

It won't be long before that team implodes again.

The 2023 Li Outlaws could not be better. All the idiot parents are gone. Whitman Varsity coach and YES MB, Who also is the High school Under Armor coach for Long island have been great. Team Will not Implode- actually probably get some wanting to come back. Its a Pleasure to be with this group of parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well now that we know they SYAG Select aren't a Town team then we can be prepared when they show up at the Town Tournaments. So who should we expect in the Blatant Town Tournament the upcoming weekend. Its listed as SYAG.

Just keep your kid home. No one wants to hear your excuses.

Sure, that is what you would prefer, but when you are an obvious cheat, then you should be called out for it. And the coaches and team should get thrown out. And you can take your two teeth and your cousin and wife with you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well now that we know they SYAG Select aren't a Town team then we can be prepared when they show up at the Town Tournaments. So who should we expect in the Blatant Town Tournament the upcoming weekend. Its listed as SYAG.

Just keep your kid home. No one wants to hear your excuses.

Sure, that is what you would prefer, but when you are an obvious cheat, then you should be called out for it. And the coaches and team should get thrown out. And you can take your two teeth and your cousin and wife with you.

Guy, I don't live remotely close to Sachem. I just can't stand your whining.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2023 Li Outlaws could not be better. All the idiot parents are gone. Whitman Varsity coach and YES MB, Who also is the High school Under Armor coach for Long island have been great. Team Will not Implode- actually probably get some wanting to come back. Its a Pleasure to be with this group of parents.

Won't be back, and doing just fine with better coaching. Did you mean to say assistant coach?

Everyone that plays on the SYAG TOWN team is from Sachem. There is SYAG TRAVEL team that only plays tournaments, does NOT play PAL games and does allow "outsiders".

Yes! Thank you! Please let it go! The kids are really just dedicated and love the sport and the coaches are really just dedicated and love the sport. What is so hard to understand?? The kids got sick of losing and spent a whole summer working their asses off to where they are now. Give them a break! No one is cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well now that we know they SYAG Select aren't a Town team then we can be prepared when they show up at the Town Tournaments. So who should we expect in the Blatant Town Tournament the upcoming weekend. Its listed as SYAG.

Just keep your kid home. No one wants to hear your excuses.

Sure, that is what you would prefer, but when you are an obvious cheat, then you should be called out for it. And the coaches and team should get thrown out. And you can take your two teeth and your cousin and wife with you.

Get back to the auto body shop, Joey Buttafuco.

Nobody ever said SYAG SELECT was a TOWN team!!! Can you not read?? It's been repeated over and over to clarify that there is a SYAG TOWN team with ONLY SACHEM PLAYERS and a SEPARATE, SEPARATE I SAY, TRAVEL team with a few outsiders added. Please find something else to do already. This is getting old!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well now that we know they SYAG Select aren't a Town team then we can be prepared when they show up at the Town Tournaments. So who should we expect in the Blatant Town Tournament the upcoming weekend. Its listed as SYAG.

Just keep your kid home. No one wants to hear your excuses.

Sure, that is what you would prefer, but when you are an obvious cheat, then you should be called out for it. And the coaches and team should get thrown out. And you can take your two teeth and your cousin and wife with you.

Get back to the auto body shop, Joey Buttafuco.

He was a cheater too. Just show up with the right kids. Cheating losers.

Have any Nassau Coaches had their HorizonWeb Team Selection Approval approved yet by Carol O'Sullivan??

Yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody ever said SYAG SELECT was a TOWN team!!! Can you not read?? It's been repeated over and over to clarify that there is a SYAG TOWN team with ONLY SACHEM PLAYERS and a SEPARATE, SEPARATE I SAY, TRAVEL team with a few outsiders added. Please find something else to do already. This is getting old!

So who is playing in the Town Tournament on April 1st? The PAL kids or the cheating travel team

I don't know who's playing in that tournament, but what exactly is cheating about being a travel team? Do explain.

What age are you guys talking about?

6th grade

Neither. SYAG is not playing April 1st. Those are the sachem sports club teams.

SYAG isn't playing in that tournament. It's not even listed on Tourney Machine. You can rest easy now.

No need to re-litigate, it's been covered extensively. The 13 kids that left were non players and all replaced with bigger, stronger and faster kids. I'm an idiot and the 25 other parents all idiots - got it, move on and enjoy your season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have any Nassau Coaches had their HorizonWeb Team Selection Approval approved yet by Carol O'Sullivan??

No

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SYAG isn't playing in that tournament. It's not even listed on Tourney Machine. You can rest easy now.

Blatant on Tourney Machine lists SYAG in the 2025 Town tournament bracket on April 1st. So is it the Town team or the Town team plus a little outside help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SYAG isn't playing in that tournament. It's not even listed on Tourney Machine. You can rest easy now.

Blatant on Tourney Machine lists SYAG in the 2025 Town tournament bracket on April 1st. So is it the Town team or the Town team plus a little outside help.

Obviously you should expect help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody ever said SYAG SELECT was a TOWN team!!! Can you not read?? It's been repeated over and over to clarify that there is a SYAG TOWN team with ONLY SACHEM PLAYERS and a SEPARATE, SEPARATE I SAY, TRAVEL team with a few outsiders added. Please find something else to do already. This is getting old!

And so is the fact that people think SYAG Select is good. Put whoever you want on that team. ThEY are NOT, I repeat NOT a contender.

You can't make this stuff up. Regardless of which cross town kids play on a particular team or not, in the long run it doesn't mean a thing; The sun is still going to rise and set the next day, May of every year your property taxes are going to increase, and PSE&G will send you their bill next month for your electric/gas usage. It doesn't matter where your child ends up playing a few years from now, you will still end up paying$$$.

It's youth lacrosse, let our kids go out and enjoy competing/playing against each other...

Some people can careless the way SYAG runs their organization!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have any Nassau Coaches had their HorizonWeb Team Selection Approval approved yet by Carol O'Sullivan??

No

Yes, she did mine a few weeks ago but you have to update your grade before she does it

starting to see more and more conflicts with PAL and travel. What to do , what to do. Seems like consensus is to go to travel. Sorry coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

starting to see more and more conflicts with PAL and travel. What to do , what to do. Seems like consensus is to go to travel. Sorry coach.

What are you talking about? My son just had to decide between pal and travel scrimmage and no question he chose travel scrimmage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

starting to see more and more conflicts with PAL and travel. What to do , what to do. Seems like consensus is to go to travel. Sorry coach.

What are you talking about? My son just had to decide between pal and travel scrimmage and no question he chose travel scrimmage.

to me, it's not a blanket 'go to travel'
whether it is a conflict for travel or rec (pal) or another sport.
set up a priority ranking..... tournaments over anything else, games over scrimmages, scrimmages over practice.
if you have a conflict between games at the same time, then I let my son choose. he'll generally choose travel but not always

Question for those parents with conflicts... Do you ever get flack from coaches when they miss games/practices/etc?

Originally Posted by meco24

Question for those parents with conflicts... Do you ever get flack from coaches when they miss games/practices/etc?

Hear it from their mouth, no. However sometimes actions speak louder and sometimes rightfully so. If you miss, you may play less. It's a gamble you have to be willing to take. It's in any sport.

Originally Posted by meco24

Question for those parents with conflicts... Do you ever get flack from coaches when they miss games/practices/etc?

My sons' travel teams all try to avoid conflicts with PAL, so there really arent' that many. Is your son's putting any effort into that avoidance, or they just don't care?

Originally Posted by meco24

Question for those parents with conflicts... Do you ever get flack from coaches when they miss games/practices/etc?

PAL should be equal playing time and if a coach is sitting a travel kid in a PAL game he is a fool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by meco24

Question for those parents with conflicts... Do you ever get flack from coaches when they miss games/practices/etc?

PAL should be equal playing time and if a coach is sitting a travel kid in a PAL game he is a fool.

PAL is equal playing time but if a kid doesn't attend practice his time can/should be reduced regardless of whether it is a travel kid or not. PAL is by charter a developmental league; all players should be accountable, if you don't show to practice, expect to play less in the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by meco24

Question for those parents with conflicts... Do you ever get flack from coaches when they miss games/practices/etc?

PAL should be equal playing time and if a coach is sitting a travel kid in a PAL game he is a fool.

Its funny the pal coaches want good players, good players play travel. They just don't want good players who play travel. They need a reality check. Our pal coach hates the fact kids play travel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by meco24

Question for those parents with conflicts... Do you ever get flack from coaches when they miss games/practices/etc?

PAL should be equal playing time and if a coach is sitting a travel kid in a PAL game he is a fool.

My philosophy, and one that is echoed by other coaches in our PAL program, is that playing time is equitable, not equal. There are a number of considerations that determine what defines equitable, but, if I have a kid who continually misses practices for any reason versus boys that show up consistently, the boy that misses practice is going to see less playing time than his teammates, all other things being equal. While winning a game is one goal for any game where a score is kept, our organization's primary goal is to teach the boys the game, the essentials of team over individuals, and good sportsmanship. If those goals come at the expense of winning, then that is fine, and that includes sitting any player for legitimate reasons, including a travel player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have any Nassau Coaches had their HorizonWeb Team Selection Approval approved yet by Carol O'Sullivan??

Yes, a few weeks ago

Originally Posted by meco24

Question for those parents with conflicts... Do you ever get flack from coaches when they miss games/practices/etc?

My kid's coach tries to work around PAL and school ball. If a kid has to miss, they have to miss. I know of some who will give the kids a hard time, so it depends on the coach. Most are ok if it is a game, but if it is PAL practice vs. travel practice, I always tell my PAL kids to go to the travel practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by meco24

Question for those parents with conflicts... Do you ever get flack from coaches when they miss games/practices/etc?

PAL should be equal playing time and if a coach is sitting a travel kid in a PAL game he is a fool.

So if a kid doesn't attend practice he should get equal playing time as the kid who is at every practice? And this teaches the kids what?

if he has travel practice or pal practice, which does he learn more in? hands down travel. the pal coach should realize the kid is practicing, just not with his team. key word here is he is a KID. pal coaches need to relax!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by meco24

Question for those parents with conflicts... Do you ever get flack from coaches when they miss games/practices/etc?

PAL should be equal playing time and if a coach is sitting a travel kid in a PAL game he is a fool.

So if a kid doesn't attend practice he should get equal playing time as the kid who is at every practice? And this teaches the kids what?

That's a PAL rule, if a kid does not come to practice he does not have to play in a PAL game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by meco24

Question for those parents with conflicts... Do you ever get flack from coaches when they miss games/practices/etc?

PAL should be equal playing time and if a coach is sitting a travel kid in a PAL game he is a fool.

Its funny the pal coaches want good players, good players play travel. They just don't want good players who play travel. They need a reality check. Our pal coach hates the fact kids play travel.

You shouldn't play PAL, you sound a tad bit selfish and pompous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by meco24

Question for those parents with conflicts... Do you ever get flack from coaches when they miss games/practices/etc?

My kid's coach tries to work around PAL and school ball. If a kid has to miss, they have to miss. I know of some who will give the kids a hard time, so it depends on the coach. Most are ok if it is a game, but if it is PAL practice vs. travel practice, I always tell my PAL kids to go to the travel practice.

When you get to 7th and 8th grade PAL, it is a whole other story - many of these boys are playing MS ball, travel, and PAL. Our PAL program recognizes this, and we practice less that the pre-7th grade age teams, only once, maybe twice per week. And once we get into game play, we look to do scrimmages more than formal practices with drills and the like.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by meco24

Question for those parents with conflicts... Do you ever get flack from coaches when they miss games/practices/etc?

My sons' travel teams all try to avoid conflicts with PAL, so there really arent' that many. Is your son's putting any effort into that avoidance, or they just don't care?

I was just asking. Not in this situation. Yet...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

if he has travel practice or pal practice, which does he learn more in? hands down travel. the pal coach should realize the kid is practicing, just not with his team. key word here is he is a KID. pal coaches need to relax!

Exactly my point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]if he has travel practice or pal practice, which does he learn more in? hands down travel. the pal coach should realize the kid is practicing, just not with his team. key word here is he is a KID. pal coaches need to relax!

Exactly my point. [/quo

Why bother with PAL? I don't get it, seems like PAL is more of a headache for you. You keep using the word TEAM in your statement, it's obvious you mean individual, the TEAM means nothing to you.

Pal has a place and for most the arrogant parents on here it's probably not for their kid, but for many that just care for their son to have fun, play on a team with his town and friends it serves it's purpose. The rest of those who think their son is too good and doesn't have time for pal, let's see if your son even has any friends. He's probably a lot like his parents. They don't have friends and they think the parents standing next to them on their travel team are their new best friend. Wait until that friend stabs you in the back.
Maybe your son should remember who his friends are from town or maybe he doesn't have any? Like father, like son. Or maybe like mother, like son too. Pal is supporting and playing for your town. It doesn't mean you have to make it your top priority but it's nice to do.

Technically, the Spring is PAL season and we try to give that priority. Especially games. Our travel coach is good with that. The PAL coach is a [lacrosse] about everything and to everyone but we give the team deference regardless.

One thing I think is important about PAL is it is a development program. My kid plays every position in PAL but on travel has an assigned position. Variety and mixing it up is important in my opinion, especially with kids, which is another reason I try to prioritize PAL. Just my 2 cents. Still, the travel team is a much better learning environment overall.

We make PAL the priority unless we have a spring travel tournament. His coaches understand. PAL is for playing with his friends and he really enjoys it. As someone stated before the boys are practicing 5 days a week with their school teams. We just show up on Sunday and play. After the season the 8th graders are presented with a town lacrosse rain jacket which they wear throughout high school.

Anyone know what the meaning of the divisions are for PAL? Black, Blue, Gold, Red, White?

Are these actual brackets based on level/talent? Or is it just an easy way to organize?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know what the meaning of the divisions are for PAL? Black, Blue, Gold, Red, White?

Are these actual brackets based on level/talent? Or is it just an easy way to organize?

I would think it is just an easy way to organize

Is this info only for coaches/administrators, or is there a site where parents can view as well? Thanks!

Divisions are broken up by your record from the previous year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Divisions are broken up by your record from the previous year.

I was told from 2 different coaches (completely separate teams/towns) that the division is up to the coach to decide.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Divisions are broken up by your record from the previous year.

If that is the case they made a mistake on our schedule as my sons team only won 1 game last season. hahaha.

Originally Posted by meco24

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Divisions are broken up by your record from the previous year.

I was told from 2 different coaches (completely separate teams/towns) that the division is up to the coach to decide.

Teams on the bubble can decide - you cannot be a team that wins a majority of your games and just decide to move down a tier - PAL won't allow that to happen.

Is there somewhere you can see the Nassau pal schedule without going thru the coaches ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there somewhere you can see the Nassau pal schedule without going thru the coaches ?

How many times can someone ask the same Q??! Seriously, if there was a public schedule available, don't you think someone would have posted it by now??! And why do you want to go around the coaches? I can tell you first hand that if you went by the PAL schedule, you would find that our first game is listed with an incorrect start time by 6 hours, yet the schedule from our organization and coaches has it correct. And that's just for one team on one week.

Any good games today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there somewhere you can see the Nassau pal schedule without going thru the coaches ?

Nope, you're stuck having to wait to hear from your coach

CYO basketball does it right. You can check out results and schedules all on line.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CYO basketball does it right. You can check out results and schedules all on line.

Suffolk PAL has everything on their website, including results.

All for PAL lacrosse.Enjoy the town concept, equal playing time, playing with your friends etc. l also like the fact that you play for fun & not for awards. What I dislike are the daddy coaches who push their own agenda - trying to make little Johnnie a star ( which will never happen ) he's just not that good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All for PAL lacrosse.Enjoy the town concept, equal playing time, playing with your friends etc. l also like the fact that you play for fun & not for awards. What I dislike are the daddy coaches who push their own agenda - trying to make little Johnnie a star ( which will never happen ) he's just not that good.

unfortunately, it is a necessary evil.
it's a league reliant on volunteers. it's no different when the coaches kid is the starting QB, point guard, pitcher, etc. often the kid deserves it and isn't an issue.....but not always.
overall, I don't mind the coaches having their kids play a few extra minutes.....i look at it as their payment for offering their time throughout the season.
this is PAL.....as long as your kid is on the field as often as the rest of his buddies and having fun, does it really matter if coach keeps his kid out there?
the coaches kid probably has the worst post game experience of anyone on the team. probably hears all ride home about what he should've done differently... has to watch the game film after dinner then hit the cage in the backyard before bed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All for PAL lacrosse.Enjoy the town concept, equal playing time, playing with your friends etc. l also like the fact that you play for fun & not for awards. What I dislike are the daddy coaches who push their own agenda - trying to make little Johnnie a star ( which will never happen ) he's just not that good.

Don't forget "Daddy coaches" are volunteers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All for PAL lacrosse.Enjoy the town concept, equal playing time, playing with your friends etc. l also like the fact that you play for fun & not for awards. What I dislike are the daddy coaches who push their own agenda - trying to make little Johnnie a star ( which will never happen ) he's just not that good.

Don't forget "Daddy coaches" are volunteers.

He's too dumb to understand in the first place

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All for PAL lacrosse.Enjoy the town concept, equal playing time, playing with your friends etc. l also like the fact that you play for fun & not for awards. What I dislike are the daddy coaches who push their own agenda - trying to make little Johnnie a star ( which will never happen ) he's just not that good.

Don't forget "Daddy coaches" are volunteers.

He's too dumb to understand in the first place

Grab a whistle complainer.

Dude..I did grab a whistle a few years ago to help out and coached in PAL with a daddy coach who had a daughter who could do no wrong and who had the 'go to goal' (per pops blessing and exhorting) mentality every time she touched the ball...it was torture. guy was very nice person but it was insufferable the way the sun rose/set on his little lax queen...no other option because there was only one team in town at the age group.
so yes, some of us do step-forward and help out in PAL and end up dealing with the daddy crap anyway..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dude..I did grab a whistle a few years ago to help out and coached in PAL with a daddy coach who had a daughter who could do no wrong and who had the 'go to goal' (per pops blessing and exhorting) mentality every time she touched the ball...it was torture. guy was very nice person but it was insufferable the way the sun rose/set on his little lax queen...no other option because there was only one team in town at the age group.
so yes, some of us do step-forward and help out in PAL and end up dealing with the daddy crap anyway..

Okay, so how did you handle the problem? Silence and inaction or did you call him out on it?

call me a wuss, but in the interests of maintain relationships, I bit my tongue and ran out the clock...i did mention during games about ALL being involved and that would work for a spell....prob should have ben more forceful, but held back more to protect daughter and friends status dynamic..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

call me a wuss, but in the interests of maintain relationships, I bit my tongue and ran out the clock...i did mention during games about ALL being involved and that would work for a spell....prob should have ben more forceful, but held back more to protect daughter and friends status dynamic..

Okay, you deserve credit, far too many criticize without ever taking any action to make it better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

call me a wuss, but in the interests of maintain relationships, I bit my tongue and ran out the clock...i did mention during games about ALL being involved and that would work for a spell....prob should have ben more forceful, but held back more to protect daughter and friends status dynamic..

Okay, you deserve credit, far too many criticize without ever taking any action to make it better.

I commend you, for I feel i might be going through the same situation. My son likes the game. Last year was his first year of travel lacrosse and I will admit he was probably ranked the lowest on the team. After a summer of practicing, clinics he has improved. Fast forward to the fall my local PAL team was going to have indoor fall practice. He played once and had an off the field accident that required wearing a cast on his hand so fall lacrosse ended. During that time we tried to stay in touch but later found out the team played in a fall winter league. Never did we receive a call to see if my son would be interested in playing. Nothing. Fast forward to the winter and a good friend of mine organized a skills practice indoors. Due to limited space only 18 kids could participate. If i wasn't friends with the person organizing this we would've been left out. The reason why i know this is there were players showing up for spring practice not having picked up the stick since the fall. I understand the coach will play his son some more minutes. I get it. I just don't understand the haves and have not aspect. I show up to practice with my son and there seems to be a click of kids and parents who are on the "inside" that know each other very well. I get the friends aspect i do. After a few games under his belt he still learning. The better players on the team are divided from the rest of the team during practice working on clears and rides while the bench players and subs are doing line drills on the other side of the field. Its laughable how obvious it is. Having played college lacrosse myself I kinda see the writing on the wall. Speaking to another father the other day and we wished there was an "A" and a "B" team. I have no ego wear i would want my son to be on the "A" team. I think he would thrive if given some confidence on the field but his chances are limited due to the fact of some players playing in more situations. At the PAL level its supposed to be a learning tool. We are looking into the Travel lacrosse circuit to see how that goes.

Originally Posted by Lancerussell

Originally Posted by Anonymous

call me a wuss, but in the interests of maintain relationships, I bit my tongue and ran out the clock...i did mention during games about ALL being involved and that would work for a spell....prob should have ben more forceful, but held back more to protect daughter and friends status dynamic..

Okay, you deserve credit, far too many criticize without ever taking any action to make it better.

I commend you, for I feel i might be going through the same situation. My son likes the game. Last year was his first year of travel lacrosse and I will admit he was probably ranked the lowest on the team. After a summer of practicing, clinics he has improved. Fast forward to the fall my local PAL team was going to have indoor fall practice. He played once and had an off the field accident that required wearing a cast on his hand so fall lacrosse ended. During that time we tried to stay in touch but later found out the team played in a fall winter league. Never did we receive a call to see if my son would be interested in playing. Nothing. Fast forward to the winter and a good friend of mine organized a skills practice indoors. Due to limited space only 18 kids could participate. If i wasn't friends with the person organizing this we would've been left out. The reason why i know this is there were players showing up for spring practice not having picked up the stick since the fall. I understand the coach will play his son some more minutes. I get it. I just don't understand the haves and have not aspect. I show up to practice with my son and there seems to be a click of kids and parents who are on the "inside" that know each other very well. I get the friends aspect i do. After a few games under his belt he still learning. The better players on the team are divided from the rest of the team during practice working on clears and rides while the bench players and subs are doing line drills on the other side of the field. Its laughable how obvious it is. Having played college lacrosse myself I kinda see the writing on the wall. Speaking to another father the other day and we wished there was an "A" and a "B" team. I have no ego wear i would want my son to be on the "A" team. I think he would thrive if given some confidence on the field but his chances are limited due to the fact of some players playing in more situations. At the PAL level its supposed to be a learning tool. We are looking into the Travel lacrosse circuit to see how that goes.

^^That is clearly NOT what is supposed to happen in PAL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Lancerussell

Originally Posted by Anonymous

call me a wuss, but in the interests of maintain relationships, I bit my tongue and ran out the clock...i did mention during games about ALL being involved and that would work for a spell....prob should have ben more forceful, but held back more to protect daughter and friends status dynamic..

Okay, you deserve credit, far too many criticize without ever taking any action to make it better.

I commend you, for I feel i might be going through the same situation. My son likes the game. Last year was his first year of travel lacrosse and I will admit he was probably ranked the lowest on the team. After a summer of practicing, clinics he has improved. Fast forward to the fall my local PAL team was going to have indoor fall practice. He played once and had an off the field accident that required wearing a cast on his hand so fall lacrosse ended. During that time we tried to stay in touch but later found out the team played in a fall winter league. Never did we receive a call to see if my son would be interested in playing. Nothing. Fast forward to the winter and a good friend of mine organized a skills practice indoors. Due to limited space only 18 kids could participate. If i wasn't friends with the person organizing this we would've been left out. The reason why i know this is there were players showing up for spring practice not having picked up the stick since the fall. I understand the coach will play his son some more minutes. I get it. I just don't understand the haves and have not aspect. I show up to practice with my son and there seems to be a click of kids and parents who are on the "inside" that know each other very well. I get the friends aspect i do. After a few games under his belt he still learning. The better players on the team are divided from the rest of the team during practice working on clears and rides while the bench players and subs are doing line drills on the other side of the field. Its laughable how obvious it is. Having played college lacrosse myself I kinda see the writing on the wall. Speaking to another father the other day and we wished there was an "A" and a "B" team. I have no ego wear i would want my son to be on the "A" team. I think he would thrive if given some confidence on the field but his chances are limited due to the fact of some players playing in more situations. At the PAL level its supposed to be a learning tool. We are looking into the Travel lacrosse circuit to see how that goes.

^^That is clearly NOT what is supposed to happen in PAL.

BUT, big BUT, if the kids need to learn to catch and throw, then line drills it is. If you want out of the line drills for your son, go get him to the wall. It works wonders and the kids can catch up real fast. But you have to do something. It's on you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Lancerussell

Originally Posted by Anonymous

call me a wuss, but in the interests of maintain relationships, I bit my tongue and ran out the clock...i did mention during games about ALL being involved and that would work for a spell....prob should have ben more forceful, but held back more to protect daughter and friends status dynamic..

Okay, you deserve credit, far too many criticize without ever taking any action to make it better.

I commend you, for I feel i might be going through the same situation. My son likes the game. Last year was his first year of travel lacrosse and I will admit he was probably ranked the lowest on the team. After a summer of practicing, clinics he has improved. Fast forward to the fall my local PAL team was going to have indoor fall practice. He played once and had an off the field accident that required wearing a cast on his hand so fall lacrosse ended. During that time we tried to stay in touch but later found out the team played in a fall winter league. Never did we receive a call to see if my son would be interested in playing. Nothing. Fast forward to the winter and a good friend of mine organized a skills practice indoors. Due to limited space only 18 kids could participate. If i wasn't friends with the person organizing this we would've been left out. The reason why i know this is there were players showing up for spring practice not having picked up the stick since the fall. I understand the coach will play his son some more minutes. I get it. I just don't understand the haves and have not aspect. I show up to practice with my son and there seems to be a click of kids and parents who are on the "inside" that know each other very well. I get the friends aspect i do. After a few games under his belt he still learning. The better players on the team are divided from the rest of the team during practice working on clears and rides while the bench players and subs are doing line drills on the other side of the field. Its laughable how obvious it is. Having played college lacrosse myself I kinda see the writing on the wall. Speaking to another father the other day and we wished there was an "A" and a "B" team. I have no ego wear i would want my son to be on the "A" team. I think he would thrive if given some confidence on the field but his chances are limited due to the fact of some players playing in more situations. At the PAL level its supposed to be a learning tool. We are looking into the Travel lacrosse circuit to see how that goes.

^^That is clearly NOT what is supposed to happen in PAL.

Well, thats what i thought. My wife thinks I'm crazy. She feels I am seeing things yet she gets annoyed when we have kids from the other team playing on our team because we need players (our PAL program has two teams) and those kids are playing more minutes than my son yet its his team not a fill in player. Maybe I just have to suck it up??? I guess we have to cultivate the future RABILS in the third grade?

I have been in travel sports my whole life and have been on the both sides. I have heard worse situations within our organization as the kids get older. I kinda get it but how is the game supposed to grow the game when you have the mindset like i mentioned above? I am just trying to figure out how to deal with this without causing an issue, without drawing unwanted attention to my son and without me looking like a complete [lacrosse]. This is why I think travel Lacrosse clubs not PAL is in our future.

Well, you are correct, the wall is wonderful tool. Personally I still enjoy doing wall work. If this was last year than I would say you are correct. Line drills is whats needed. That is why this past summer he was at clinics he worked on the rebounder in the backyard and played what he could during the fall. His stick skills have improved tremendously for a player his age. Are there better kids with stick skills? Most definitely. There are kids on this team that are very good. They have a high game IQ. I am impressed with them. My son does not possess that because he isn't learning that aspect. I know its more than just coaching. Its also experience. What I mentioned above about one group of kids on side of the field is just one example. I don't see our coach as an overly competitive guy but a person who enjoys winning and seems influenced by his surroundings.(Parents) I would say my son went from being the bottom to the middle of the pack. its a fine line of being disappointed and being that father that complains. I am just venting. I know at 8 years old its tough to figure out what he is going to excel at in 5 to 10 years. I just think like the post I originally commented on that sometimes its not fair. Sometimes it does suck. My son doesn't yet understand what i am seeing yet some kids do point out that they are better than him. So once again where does that come from? Once again i am not trying to be the father that lives through his kid yet in a way thats what we are doing. We are all trying to steer our child in a way that they don't fall victim to some of the stuff we endured.

Originally Posted by Lancerussell

Well, you are correct, the wall is wonderful tool. Personally I still enjoy doing wall work. If this was last year than I would say you are correct. Line drills is whats needed. That is why this past summer he was at clinics he worked on the rebounder in the backyard and played what he could during the fall. His stick skills have improved tremendously for a player his age. Are there better kids with stick skills? Most definitely. There are kids on this team that are very good. They have a high game IQ. I am impressed with them. My son does not possess that because he isn't learning that aspect. I know its more than just coaching. Its also experience. What I mentioned above about one group of kids on side of the field is just one example. I don't see our coach as an overly competitive guy but a person who enjoys winning and seems influenced by his surroundings.(Parents) I would say my son went from being the bottom to the middle of the pack. its a fine line of being disappointed and being that father that complains. I am just venting. I know at 8 years old its tough to figure out what he is going to excel at in 5 to 10 years. I just think like the post I originally commented on that sometimes its not fair. Sometimes it does suck. My son doesn't yet understand what i am seeing yet some kids do point out that they are better than him. So once again where does that come from? Once again i am not trying to be the father that lives through his kid yet in a way thats what we are doing. We are all trying to steer our child in a way that they don't fall victim to some of the stuff we endured.

I don't meant this to be snarky, but have you talked to the coach or volunteered to help coach? you played in college and know the game. last I checked, nobody is turning away good help.
being involved in the program will allow you to have more input as opposed to needing to vent.
maybe your coach is overloaded and just relies on the kids that know what to do because it is easier for him??
or maybe he doesnt realize this is happening??

Originally Posted by Lancerussell

Originally Posted by Anonymous

call me a wuss, but in the interests of maintain relationships, I bit my tongue and ran out the clock...i did mention during games about ALL being involved and that would work for a spell....prob should have ben more forceful, but held back more to protect daughter and friends status dynamic..

Okay, you deserve credit, far too many criticize without ever taking any action to make it better.

I commend you, for I feel i might be going through the same situation. My son likes the game. Last year was his first year of travel lacrosse and I will admit he was probably ranked the lowest on the team. After a summer of practicing, clinics he has improved. Fast forward to the fall my local PAL team was going to have indoor fall practice. He played once and had an off the field accident that required wearing a cast on his hand so fall lacrosse ended. During that time we tried to stay in touch but later found out the team played in a fall winter league. Never did we receive a call to see if my son would be interested in playing. Nothing. Fast forward to the winter and a good friend of mine organized a skills practice indoors. Due to limited space only 18 kids could participate. If i wasn't friends with the person organizing this we would've been left out. The reason why i know this is there were players showing up for spring practice not having picked up the stick since the fall. I understand the coach will play his son some more minutes. I get it. I just don't understand the haves and have not aspect. I show up to practice with my son and there seems to be a click of kids and parents who are on the "inside" that know each other very well. I get the friends aspect i do. After a few games under his belt he still learning. The better players on the team are divided from the rest of the team during practice working on clears and rides while the bench players and subs are doing line drills on the other side of the field. Its laughable how obvious it is. Having played college lacrosse myself I kinda see the writing on the wall. Speaking to another father the other day and we wished there was an "A" and a "B" team. I have no ego wear i would want my son to be on the "A" team. I think he would thrive if given some confidence on the field but his chances are limited due to the fact of some players playing in more situations. At the PAL level its supposed to be a learning tool. We are looking into the Travel lacrosse circuit to see how that goes.

The most important thing to keep in mind, do whats best for your son and family. DO NOT DEPEND or ALLOW other parents to select, determine what is best for your child. When doing the travel lacrosse circuit, your son's lacrosse world will open up so to speak; allow him to make new friends, get him outside his comfort zone, do more listening than TALKING, you will find out which coach and where he's holding that small limited size clinic, there are many of them out there.
Another suggestion, grab 2-3 of your sons friends in the same boat to divide up the cost of a personal trainer, along with wall ball and practicing catching and throwing you will see a major difference in a short time. My point is, you lead your son! Don't allow anyone else (group of parents) who doesn't have your son's best interest FIRST dedicate your child's progress...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Lancerussell

Well, you are correct, the wall is wonderful tool. Personally I still enjoy doing wall work. If this was last year than I would say you are correct. Line drills is whats needed. That is why this past summer he was at clinics he worked on the rebounder in the backyard and played what he could during the fall. His stick skills have improved tremendously for a player his age. Are there better kids with stick skills? Most definitely. There are kids on this team that are very good. They have a high game IQ. I am impressed with them. My son does not possess that because he isn't learning that aspect. I know its more than just coaching. Its also experience. What I mentioned above about one group of kids on side of the field is just one example. I don't see our coach as an overly competitive guy but a person who enjoys winning and seems influenced by his surroundings.(Parents) I would say my son went from being the bottom to the middle of the pack. its a fine line of being disappointed and being that father that complains. I am just venting. I know at 8 years old its tough to figure out what he is going to excel at in 5 to 10 years. I just think like the post I originally commented on that sometimes its not fair. Sometimes it does suck. My son doesn't yet understand what i am seeing yet some kids do point out that they are better than him. So once again where does that come from? Once again i am not trying to be the father that lives through his kid yet in a way thats what we are doing. We are all trying to steer our child in a way that they don't fall victim to some of the stuff we endured.

I don't meant this to be snarky, but have you talked to the coach or volunteered to help coach? you played in college and know the game. last I checked, nobody is turning away good help.
being involved in the program will allow you to have more input as opposed to needing to vent.
maybe your coach is overloaded and just relies on the kids that know what to do because it is easier for him??
or maybe he doesnt realize this is happening??

You are not being snarky at all. I want to coach. I really do. My son was very disappointed when I told him that with my job I wouldn't be able to coach. I do help out when my work schedule allows but its not nearly consistent enough nor am as l looked upon as anything more than a father who happens to have a lacrosse stick from the 90's. I was all set to go about it but my work situation is not helpful.

I think part of it is the coach might be overwhelmed. We do have some aggressive parents who within there right are looking after there sons. I am sure there are emails and texts and calls amongst them. Like I said we are on the bubble of the inner circle. I definitely think something is amiss but rather making an [lacrosse] out of myself or putting a target on my sons back I will stay quiet and vent on this forum. lol It shouldn't be this difficult at 8 years old but such is life. When I was playing you played the season and the occasional summer league and maybe box at Mitchell field. Now its serious business.

The most important thing to keep in mind, do whats best for your son and family. DO NOT DEPEND or ALLOW other parents to select, determine what is best for your child. When doing the travel lacrosse circuit, your son's lacrosse world will open up so to speak; allow him to make new friends, get him outside his comfort zone, do more listening than TALKING, you will find out which coach and where he's holding that small limited size clinic, there are many of them out there.
Another suggestion, grab 2-3 of your sons friends in the same boat to divide up the cost of a personal trainer, along with wall ball and practicing catching and throwing you will see a major difference in a short time. My point is, you lead your son! Don't allow anyone else (group of parents) who doesn't have your son's best interest FIRST dedicate your child's progress... [/quote]

Well said! Thank you. I think that's the plan we are going to take!!![

Originally Posted by Lancerussell

Originally Posted by Anonymous

call me a wuss, but in the interests of maintain relationships, I bit my tongue and ran out the clock...i did mention during games about ALL being involved and that would work for a spell....prob should have ben more forceful, but held back more to protect daughter and friends status dynamic..

Okay, you deserve credit, far too many criticize without ever taking any action to make it better.

I commend you, for I feel i might be going through the same situation. My son likes the game. Last year was his first year of travel lacrosse and I will admit he was probably ranked the lowest on the team. After a summer of practicing, clinics he has improved. Fast forward to the fall my local PAL team was going to have indoor fall practice. He played once and had an off the field accident that required wearing a cast on his hand so fall lacrosse ended. During that time we tried to stay in touch but later found out the team played in a fall winter league. Never did we receive a call to see if my son would be interested in playing. Nothing. Fast forward to the winter and a good friend of mine organized a skills practice indoors. Due to limited space only 18 kids could participate. If i wasn't friends with the person organizing this we would've been left out. The reason why i know this is there were players showing up for spring practice not having picked up the stick since the fall. I understand the coach will play his son some more minutes. I get it. I just don't understand the haves and have not aspect. I show up to practice with my son and there seems to be a click of kids and parents who are on the "inside" that know each other very well. I get the friends aspect i do. After a few games under his belt he still learning. The better players on the team are divided from the rest of the team during practice working on clears and rides while the bench players and subs are doing line drills on the other side of the field. Its laughable how obvious it is. Having played college lacrosse myself I kinda see the writing on the wall. Speaking to another father the other day and we wished there was an "A" and a "B" team. I have no ego wear i would want my son to be on the "A" team. I think he would thrive if given some confidence on the field but his chances are limited due to the fact of some players playing in more situations. At the PAL level its supposed to be a learning tool. We are looking into the Travel lacrosse circuit to see how that goes.

Are the fall and spring practices part of PAL or does the town have a separate travel team? It confused me at first in my town because the team name, coaches, everything else was the same. Luckily we had the right number so that everyone who played PAL was "invited" to travel, but I suppose other towns with larger numbers leave some out of the travel team??? It is a shame, but I do see both sides--and I'm conflicted.

This year on our PAL team there are kids who have been playing together for the 4th straight year and others who are picking up a stick for the very first time. I see with my own eyes it's difficult for coaches to cater to both groups. They get in on play sets and can't catch, so the practice grinds to a halt. It looks so futile. I'm not criticizing... Just think it might be better for newbies to do more skill work at practices. Our town PAL does have separate beginner clinics in the winter and summer for older beginners (throwing, catching, scooping, cradling) though. I just hope the newbies don't get discouraged seeing the "vets" whip the ball around rather get motivated and use those clinics to get themselves caught up.

My son started only one year late (1st grade, not kindergarten!) and I could not believe how much I felt I had to catch him up even at that early age. I never played lax, rather baseball and football, so it was plenty of youtube, and buying MY first lax stick at 40+ years old to catch him up. I've also googled rules, etc. to answer his questions. Where baseball and football are on the tv at home all the time, lax isn't really (although I recommend espn3--they have replays) I never imparted and lax knowledge on my son until it was crunch time. I also got him in clinics and other events not associated with our town program. Lizards games, etc. I will so long as he's enthusiastic about it.

I hope your son doesn't get discouraged. From what I've seen kids do get caught up eventually.

Originally Posted by meco24

Originally Posted by Lancerussell

Originally Posted by Anonymous

call me a wuss, but in the interests of maintain relationships, I bit my tongue and ran out the clock...i did mention during games about ALL being involved and that would work for a spell....prob should have ben more forceful, but held back more to protect daughter and friends status dynamic..

Okay, you deserve credit, far too many criticize without ever taking any action to make it better.

I commend you, for I feel i might be going through the same situation. My son likes the game. Last year was his first year of travel lacrosse and I will admit he was probably ranked the lowest on the team. After a summer of practicing, clinics he has improved. Fast forward to the fall my local PAL team was going to have indoor fall practice. He played once and had an off the field accident that required wearing a cast on his hand so fall lacrosse ended. During that time we tried to stay in touch but later found out the team played in a fall winter league. Never did we receive a call to see if my son would be interested in playing. Nothing. Fast forward to the winter and a good friend of mine organized a skills practice indoors. Due to limited space only 18 kids could participate. If i wasn't friends with the person organizing this we would've been left out. The reason why i know this is there were players showing up for spring practice not having picked up the stick since the fall. I understand the coach will play his son some more minutes. I get it. I just don't understand the haves and have not aspect. I show up to practice with my son and there seems to be a click of kids and parents who are on the "inside" that know each other very well. I get the friends aspect i do. After a few games under his belt he still learning. The better players on the team are divided from the rest of the team during practice working on clears and rides while the bench players and subs are doing line drills on the other side of the field. Its laughable how obvious it is. Having played college lacrosse myself I kinda see the writing on the wall. Speaking to another father the other day and we wished there was an "A" and a "B" team. I have no ego wear i would want my son to be on the "A" team. I think he would thrive if given some confidence on the field but his chances are limited due to the fact of some players playing in more situations. At the PAL level its supposed to be a learning tool. We are looking into the Travel lacrosse circuit to see how that goes.

Are the fall and spring practices part of PAL or does the town have a separate travel team? It confused me at first in my town because the team name, coaches, everything else was the same. Luckily we had the right number so that everyone who played PAL was "invited" to travel, but I suppose other towns with larger numbers leave some out of the travel team??? It is a shame, but I do see both sides--and I'm conflicted.

This year on our PAL team there are kids who have been playing together for the 4th straight year and others who are picking up a stick for the very first time. I see with my own eyes it's difficult for coaches to cater to both groups. They get in on play sets and can't catch, so the practice grinds to a halt. It looks so futile. I'm not criticizing... Just think it might be better for newbies to do more skill work at practices. Our town PAL does have separate beginner clinics in the winter and summer for older beginners (throwing, catching, scooping, cradling) though. I just hope the newbies don't get discouraged seeing the "vets" whip the ball around rather get motivated and use those clinics to get themselves caught up.

My son started only one year late (1st grade, not kindergarten!) and I could not believe how much I felt I had to catch him up even at that early age. I never played lax, rather baseball and football, so it was plenty of youtube, and buying MY first lax stick at 40+ years old to catch him up. I've also googled rules, etc. to answer his questions. Where baseball and football are on the tv at home all the time, lax isn't really (although I recommend espn3--they have replays) I never imparted and lax knowledge on my son until it was crunch time. I also got him in clinics and other events not associated with our town program. Lizards games, etc. I will so long as he's enthusiastic about it.

I hope your son doesn't get discouraged. From what I've seen kids do get caught up eventually.

My son started "super late" relative to his town peers, i.e., second grade. He was way behind those first two years. He's definitely catching up with them and with his speed and work ethic he'll be right there with them in a couple years.

Originally Posted by meco24

Originally Posted by Lancerussell

Originally Posted by Anonymous

call me a wuss, but in the interests of maintain relationships, I bit my tongue and ran out the clock...i did mention during games about ALL being involved and that would work for a spell....prob should have ben more forceful, but held back more to protect daughter and friends status dynamic..

Okay, you deserve credit, far too many criticize without ever taking any action to make it better.

I commend you, for I feel i might be going through the same situation. My son likes the game. Last year was his first year of travel lacrosse and I will admit he was probably ranked the lowest on the team. After a summer of practicing, clinics he has improved. Fast forward to the fall my local PAL team was going to have indoor fall practice. He played once and had an off the field accident that required wearing a cast on his hand so fall lacrosse ended. During that time we tried to stay in touch but later found out the team played in a fall winter league. Never did we receive a call to see if my son would be interested in playing. Nothing. Fast forward to the winter and a good friend of mine organized a skills practice indoors. Due to limited space only 18 kids could participate. If i wasn't friends with the person organizing this we would've been left out. The reason why i know this is there were players showing up for spring practice not having picked up the stick since the fall. I understand the coach will play his son some more minutes. I get it. I just don't understand the haves and have not aspect. I show up to practice with my son and there seems to be a click of kids and parents who are on the "inside" that know each other very well. I get the friends aspect i do. After a few games under his belt he still learning. The better players on the team are divided from the rest of the team during practice working on clears and rides while the bench players and subs are doing line drills on the other side of the field. Its laughable how obvious it is. Having played college lacrosse myself I kinda see the writing on the wall. Speaking to another father the other day and we wished there was an "A" and a "B" team. I have no ego wear i would want my son to be on the "A" team. I think he would thrive if given some confidence on the field but his chances are limited due to the fact of some players playing in more situations. At the PAL level its supposed to be a learning tool. We are looking into the Travel lacrosse circuit to see how that goes.

Are the fall and spring practices part of PAL or does the town have a separate travel team? It confused me at first in my town because the team name, coaches, everything else was the same. Luckily we had the right number so that everyone who played PAL was "invited" to travel, but I suppose other towns with larger numbers leave some out of the travel team??? It is a shame, but I do see both sides--and I'm conflicted.

This year on our PAL team there are kids who have been playing together for the 4th straight year and others who are picking up a stick for the very first time. I see with my own eyes it's difficult for coaches to cater to both groups. They get in on play sets and can't catch, so the practice grinds to a halt. It looks so futile. I'm not criticizing... Just think it might be better for newbies to do more skill work at practices. Our town PAL does have separate beginner clinics in the winter and summer for older beginners (throwing, catching, scooping, cradling) though. I just hope the newbies don't get discouraged seeing the "vets" whip the ball around rather get motivated and use those clinics to get themselves caught up.

My son started only one year late (1st grade, not kindergarten!) and I could not believe how much I felt I had to catch him up even at that early age. I never played lax, rather baseball and football, so it was plenty of youtube, and buying MY first lax stick at 40+ years old to catch him up. I've also googled rules, etc. to answer his questions. Where baseball and football are on the tv at home all the time, lax isn't really (although I recommend espn3--they have replays) I never imparted and lax knowledge on my son until it was crunch time. I also got him in clinics and other events not associated with our town program. Lizards games, etc. I will so long as he's enthusiastic about it.

I hope your son doesn't get discouraged. From what I've seen kids do get caught up eventually.

I think the fall practices, the fall/winter league and the winter skills practice sessions were outside the PAL program. When he first started he was with many of these kids. The local PAL had a development program in the fall when he was in kindergarten/first grade. All of the kids were in the same boat. Missed catches, blown passes and just running around aimlessly. Fast forward to last spring and the kids with the exception of my son were throwing, passing and playing as if they were playing for years. I think I missed something that winter. It was the first game last spring I realized these kids played all winter. They improved that much. So I knew that summer would be important. I asked him if he wanted to commit more time and he hit the ground running. He participated last summer at the HUB in there clinics and participated in clinics run by the NY Lizards. I saw immediate improvement. Fast forward to the fall he shows up to practice and one of the coaches noticed he improved. Than he had an off the field accident where he injured his hand. He missed the remainder of the fall practices. We were in the dark on a few things the team did including a Friday night fall league. The one thing I noticed is that all of the improvement he made he is still a year behind. We now have a season subscription to the LIzards. We go to at least 3 or 4 games so why not. My son really enjoys the game. he loves being part of a team. He is the first to congratulate the kid who scores or the goalie makes a save. He loves watching and seeing the camaraderie associated with team sports.

Trust me, I am conflicted as well.

Originally Posted by Lancerussell

Originally Posted by meco24

Originally Posted by Lancerussell

Originally Posted by Anonymous

call me a wuss, but in the interests of maintain relationships, I bit my tongue and ran out the clock...i did mention during games about ALL being involved and that would work for a spell....prob should have ben more forceful, but held back more to protect daughter and friends status dynamic..

Okay, you deserve credit, far too many criticize without ever taking any action to make it better.

I commend you, for I feel i might be going through the same situation. My son likes the game. Last year was his first year of travel lacrosse and I will admit he was probably ranked the lowest on the team. After a summer of practicing, clinics he has improved. Fast forward to the fall my local PAL team was going to have indoor fall practice. He played once and had an off the field accident that required wearing a cast on his hand so fall lacrosse ended. During that time we tried to stay in touch but later found out the team played in a fall winter league. Never did we receive a call to see if my son would be interested in playing. Nothing. Fast forward to the winter and a good friend of mine organized a skills practice indoors. Due to limited space only 18 kids could participate. If i wasn't friends with the person organizing this we would've been left out. The reason why i know this is there were players showing up for spring practice not having picked up the stick since the fall. I understand the coach will play his son some more minutes. I get it. I just don't understand the haves and have not aspect. I show up to practice with my son and there seems to be a click of kids and parents who are on the "inside" that know each other very well. I get the friends aspect i do. After a few games under his belt he still learning. The better players on the team are divided from the rest of the team during practice working on clears and rides while the bench players and subs are doing line drills on the other side of the field. Its laughable how obvious it is. Having played college lacrosse myself I kinda see the writing on the wall. Speaking to another father the other day and we wished there was an "A" and a "B" team. I have no ego wear i would want my son to be on the "A" team. I think he would thrive if given some confidence on the field but his chances are limited due to the fact of some players playing in more situations. At the PAL level its supposed to be a learning tool. We are looking into the Travel lacrosse circuit to see how that goes.

Are the fall and spring practices part of PAL or does the town have a separate travel team? It confused me at first in my town because the team name, coaches, everything else was the same. Luckily we had the right number so that everyone who played PAL was "invited" to travel, but I suppose other towns with larger numbers leave some out of the travel team??? It is a shame, but I do see both sides--and I'm conflicted.

This year on our PAL team there are kids who have been playing together for the 4th straight year and others who are picking up a stick for the very first time. I see with my own eyes it's difficult for coaches to cater to both groups. They get in on play sets and can't catch, so the practice grinds to a halt. It looks so futile. I'm not criticizing... Just think it might be better for newbies to do more skill work at practices. Our town PAL does have separate beginner clinics in the winter and summer for older beginners (throwing, catching, scooping, cradling) though. I just hope the newbies don't get discouraged seeing the "vets" whip the ball around rather get motivated and use those clinics to get themselves caught up.

My son started only one year late (1st grade, not kindergarten!) and I could not believe how much I felt I had to catch him up even at that early age. I never played lax, rather baseball and football, so it was plenty of youtube, and buying MY first lax stick at 40+ years old to catch him up. I've also googled rules, etc. to answer his questions. Where baseball and football are on the tv at home all the time, lax isn't really (although I recommend espn3--they have replays) I never imparted and lax knowledge on my son until it was crunch time. I also got him in clinics and other events not associated with our town program. Lizards games, etc. I will so long as he's enthusiastic about it.

I hope your son doesn't get discouraged. From what I've seen kids do get caught up eventually.

I think the fall practices, the fall/winter league and the winter skills practice sessions were outside the PAL program. When he first started he was with many of these kids. The local PAL had a development program in the fall when he was in kindergarten/first grade. All of the kids were in the same boat. Missed catches, blown passes and just running around aimlessly. Fast forward to last spring and the kids with the exception of my son were throwing, passing and playing as if they were playing for years. I think I missed something that winter. It was the first game last spring I realized these kids played all winter. They improved that much. So I knew that summer would be important. I asked him if he wanted to commit more time and he hit the ground running. He participated last summer at the HUB in there clinics and participated in clinics run by the NY Lizards. I saw immediate improvement. Fast forward to the fall he shows up to practice and one of the coaches noticed he improved. Than he had an off the field accident where he injured his hand. He missed the remainder of the fall practices. We were in the dark on a few things the team did including a Friday night fall league. The one thing I noticed is that all of the improvement he made he is still a year behind. We now have a season subscription to the LIzards. We go to at least 3 or 4 games so why not. My son really enjoys the game. he loves being part of a team. He is the first to congratulate the kid who scores or the goalie makes a save. He loves watching and seeing the camaraderie associated with team sports.

Trust me, I am conflicted as well.

I'm sure he'll catch up. There are a lot of clinics throughout the year. Some even free. I've singed up to every club, site, etc mailing list.

I'm sure he'll catch up. There are a lot of clinics throughout the year. Some even free. I've singed up to every club, site, etc mailing list.[/quote]

I have a feeling he will as well. Its just tough to watch. As a person who is trying to do the right thing for my son its not easy. The advise everyone has given has been very valuable. I just don't want to burn him out and I don't want him to get burned.

If your son is enjoying playing, is the most important part. Don't let the loadmouths or politics tarnish that enjoyment. The joy of playing a sport only lasts so long. If he puts in the time I'm sure the results will come out on the field probably with a different team. As he gets older, bigger and smarter Daddy ball and Moms's bingo will no longer be an issue. But make sure he is having fun.

Despite what anybody says or the accepted sentiment that persists in the lax community, if ur kid is an athlete and is willing to put in the time practicing they can not only catch up but can be a standout player regardless of when they pick up the game. All kids mature at different rates and many at an early age have already peaked or have lost interest in the game due to pressure put on them to excel by their parents.

Contrary to what may be thought here, peaking in elementary school is not a good thing. Seen allot of grade school superstars dissapear by high school.

my son didn't pick up a lacrosse stick till 4th grade and it was obvious how bad he was his first year and half of playing . things started to click halfway through second year and currently is in top couple scorers on his jv team as a freshman and most likely will be called up to varsity by end of the year. plus playing travel and doing well there . relax take your time and hopefully your son / daughter will have a great youth coach that sees the potential and brings it out . funny enough many of his teammates that were superstars back a few yrs ago no longer play the game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Contrary to what may be thought here, peaking in elementary school is not a good thing. Seen allot of grade school superstars dissapear by high school.

...and an equal amount continue to thrive and get better in their HS years. It certainly goes both ways

PAL shoukd be for any kid who wants to play, regardless of skill level. New kids should play just as much as the kid who has been playing fir years. Simoke as that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL shoukd be for any kid who wants to play, regardless of skill level. New kids should play just as much as the kid who has been playing fir years. Simoke as that.

That is what it's about...don't listen to the crazy daddy's on botc

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Despite what anybody says or the accepted sentiment that persists in the lax community, if ur kid is an athlete and is willing to put in the time practicing they can not only catch up but can be a standout player regardless of when they pick up the game. All kids mature at different rates and many at an early age have already peaked or have lost interest in the game due to pressure put on them to excel by their parents.

So,so true!

Thank you everyone! Certainly has set my mind at ease.

standings and scores? kids want to know. anywhere to view?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

standings and scores? kids want to know. anywhere to view?

Nope. They are posted on the Horizon site for the coaches and refs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL shoukd be for any kid who wants to play, regardless of skill level. New kids should play just as much as the kid who has been playing fir years. Simoke as that.

Playing time should be "equitable", NOT "equal".

post the records and scores just like CYO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

post the records and scores just like CYO

why? what comes from posting records?
there are no standings, no playoffs. what do you need records for?

PAL is for sh*ts and giggles. let the boys have fun playing with their buddies and classmates.

Why bother having refs and keeping score either? it's not like the kids spend months and countless hours practicing with their team, I mean buddies and classmates for real competition...

Whatever happened to that list that showed what teams were in what division?

i agree, post the standings, scores

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i agree, post the standings, scores

why? and I'm asking honestly.... I'm not a participation trophy guy.

if there was some kind of post season playoff format, absolutely. but PAL isn't that. it's a developmental league where you play 7 or 8 games in the spring and you're done.

for all that say CYO posts scores and records....thats right, they do. but they also have playoffs.

maybe instead of wanting standings, we should be trying to get PAL to install some kind of playoff for divisions. then they would be forced to keep standings

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i agree, post the standings, scores

There are no "standings" to post . . .!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL shoukd be for any kid who wants to play, regardless of skill level. New kids should play just as much as the kid who has been playing fir years. Simoke as that.

Playing time should be equitable, NOT equal.

I am from GC and my son played against 4th grade West Islip this past weekend and I was horrified at the West Islip coach the way he was screaming at the referees and the kids . This guy is supposed to be a role model and now I see that he is a coach at Molloy college maybe he should just stick the college kids .

Former long time coach at Hills West. Some of these guys forget the age of the kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am from GC and my son played against 4th grade West Islip this past weekend and I was horrified at the West Islip coach the way he was screaming at the referees and the kids . This guy is supposed to be a role model and now I see that he is a coach at Molloy college maybe he should just stick the college kids .

Have you met the idiot from Farmingdale? My son plays on the 4th grade team and the coach curses, Sits kids, Tells them they suck, Doesn't take his kids off the field EVER. Split our kids into 2 teams so everyone would have playing time (that is what they told us ). Turns out his kid just plays double the amount of games. Complete Sh*t Show! Unfortunately there are a few of these types out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am from GC and my son played against 4th grade West Islip this past weekend and I was horrified at the West Islip coach the way he was screaming at the referees and the kids . This guy is supposed to be a role model and now I see that he is a coach at Molloy college maybe he should just stick the college kids .

Have you met the idiot from Farmingdale? My son plays on the 4th grade team and the coach curses, Sits kids, Tells them they suck, Doesn't take his kids off the field EVER. Split our kids into 2 teams so everyone would have playing time (that is what they told us ). Turns out his kid just plays double the amount of games. Complete Sh*t Show! Unfortunately there are a few of these types out there.

Sounds like the same debacle of a PAL program our town has.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am from GC and my son played against 4th grade West Islip this past weekend and I was horrified at the West Islip coach the way he was screaming at the referees and the kids . This guy is supposed to be a role model and now I see that he is a coach at Molloy college maybe he should just stick the college kids .

Have you met the idiot from Farmingdale? My son plays on the 4th grade team and the coach curses, Sits kids, Tells them they suck, Doesn't take his kids off the field EVER. Split our kids into 2 teams so everyone would have playing time (that is what they told us ). Turns out his kid just plays double the amount of games. Complete Sh*t Show! Unfortunately there are a few of these types out there.

Sounds like the same debacle of a PAL program our town has.

It's crazy, Been like this for 3 seasons now. Parents yelling, Coach could care less. We view it as a 2 month play date with his friends.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am from GC and my son played against 4th grade West Islip this past weekend and I was horrified at the West Islip coach the way he was screaming at the referees and the kids . This guy is supposed to be a role model and now I see that he is a coach at Molloy college maybe he should just stick the college kids .

C'mon Tom we know you live in WI

The guy is an idiot , typical Daddy ball , was thrown out of PAL once before and now is back . Another smart move from the WI pal .

Suffolk pal posts everything on their website

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am from GC and my son played against 4th grade West Islip this past weekend and I was horrified at the West Islip coach the way he was screaming at the referees and the kids . This guy is supposed to be a role model and now I see that he is a coach at Molloy college maybe he should just stick the college kids .

C'mon Tom we know you live in WI

Tom how was the beating you got at Saturdays tournament. Lol. Your not all that

a lot of PAL programs are becoming a joke. some of the better players are choosing to not even play PAL if their town team is not good. which makes the team even worse and have a hard time drawing kids to compete

I played against West Islip this year as well. They were up 6 goals and the coaches decided to call atimeout with a minute left.They then instructed the team to back off so my special needs player could have a chance to run up the field with the ball. The players on that pal team have already learned more from playing for those 2 coaches and with their friends then they would have all year chasing t shirts.

I read here that a lot of parents want the HS coach to be an active participant in PAL, well the HS coaches I have spoken to believe there should be no "A" or "B" designation, just mix all the kids up and teach them solid fundamental lacrosse. I agree wholeheartedly, thoughts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am from GC and my son played against 4th grade West Islip this past weekend and I was horrified at the West Islip coach the way he was screaming at the referees and the kids . This guy is supposed to be a role model and now I see that he is a coach at Molloy college maybe he should just stick the college kids .

Have you met the idiot from Farmingdale? My son plays on the 4th grade team and the coach curses, Sits kids, Tells them they suck, Doesn't take his kids off the field EVER. Split our kids into 2 teams so everyone would have playing time (that is what they told us ). Turns out his kid just plays double the amount of games. Complete Sh*t Show! Unfortunately there are a few of these types out there.

Sounds like the same debacle of a PAL program our town has.

Gotta love the embarrassment out program has become. Coach pulling kids off the field for man up seconds into a shift because they "don't know the man up play". Having a man up play is fine, but it has been taught at PAL practice.
The town travel team has a man up unit, but PAL is where all the kids on the roster deserve the chance to play in all situations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I played against West Islip this year as well. They were up 6 goals and the coaches decided to call atimeout with a minute left.They then instructed the team to back off so my special needs player could have a chance to run up the field with the ball. The players on that pal team have already learned more from playing for those 2 coaches and with their friends then they would have all year chasing t shirts.

Classy move WI!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I read here that a lot of parents want the HS coach to be an active participant in PAL, well the HS coaches I have spoken to believe there should be no "A" or "B" designation, just mix all the kids up and teach them solid fundamental lacrosse. I agree wholeheartedly, thoughts?

Idealistically? Without a doubt! Practically? Maybe - it depends. If you have coaches that can work together to run a productive practice, that both teaches and keeps the boys interested and enthusiastic, all the while accommodating sometimes drastic gaps in both skill and commitment to the game, then yes. But that's a tall order for many coaches and organizations.

The real question for the poster is, "how many of those coaches he spoke to have actively tried to get involved and made this known to their community youth organizations?". Many here lambasted the very idea (not paid to do it, too much more time, etc, etc). In these cases, we at least seem to have some coaches that are thinking this way, but are they doing anything to actually make a mark in their community organizations? Talk is cheap.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I read here that a lot of parents want the HS coach to be an active participant in PAL, well the HS coaches I have spoken to believe there should be no "A" or "B" designation, just mix all the kids up and teach them solid fundamental lacrosse. I agree wholeheartedly, thoughts?

I have very mixed feelings. I would rather a team be split where the newer kids can develop together while playing against teams with similar makeups. Instead of getting slaughtered or playing too far down that it's too easy for the better returning players. I see it first hand where our team has a mix from very good to brand new. It's tough seeing a newbie take a pass to the helmet, chest, arm then have the better kids end up lobbing passes or even not hitting an open man because they don't think the other kid can catch. Very hard to coach that to 8-9 year olds. In an ideal world one town would practice together, scrimmage together, but during games split the teams up. Again I have mixed feelings and could probably be swayed either way.

Amazing!!

stop babying the kids.having an A and B squad only benefits the kids. The A kids can play in a more competitive league with kids more their level, and the B kids will get tons of PT and develop confidence. They also will be matched up against kids at their level so they still enjoy the sport. The ONLY problem with A and B is that head case parents can't label their kid as a B player and most Dads who coach are coaching their son on A teams, thus B teams lack dedicated coaches. Thats it, kids should be split. Years ago kids didn't make the cut, now they still can enjoy the game at their own pace.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I read here that a lot of parents want the HS coach to be an active participant in PAL, well the HS coaches I have spoken to believe there should be no "A" or "B" designation, just mix all the kids up and teach them solid fundamental lacrosse. I agree wholeheartedly, thoughts?

Idealistically? Without a doubt! Practically? Maybe - it depends. If you have coaches that can work together to run a productive practice, that both teaches and keeps the boys interested and enthusiastic, all the while accommodating sometimes drastic gaps in both skill and commitment to the game, then yes. But that's a tall order for many coaches and organizations.

The real question for the poster is, "how many of those coaches he spoke to have actively tried to get involved and made this known to their community youth organizations?". Many here lambasted the very idea (not paid to do it, too much more time, etc, etc). In these cases, we at least seem to have some coaches that are thinking this way, but are they doing anything to actually make a mark in their community organizations? Talk is cheap.

There are some school districts that will not allow the HS coach to be involved with youth lacrosse in the town.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I read here that a lot of parents want the HS coach to be an active participant in PAL, well the HS coaches I have spoken to believe there should be no "A" or "B" designation, just mix all the kids up and teach them solid fundamental lacrosse. I agree wholeheartedly, thoughts?

You can still teach them solid fundamental skills in an A and B environment. You do not need mixed teams to do this. In fact, fundamentals can be taught better in an A and B environment. Depending on the age, B level kids still are learning how to pass, catch and cradle. They will need to devote a lot of time on this. A level kids will largely be proficient on this, and will need to spend more time on their weaker hand, dodging, and passing and catching at a higher rate of speed.

That being said, its best if the A and B team practice at the same place and time as each other, which will allow the teams to mix a bit and give the emerging B team player access to the A team kids, and to have certain B team kids play up with the A team for certain games if the rules permit such.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

stop babying the kids.having an A and B squad only benefits the kids. The A kids can play in a more competitive league with kids more their level, and the B kids will get tons of PT and develop confidence. They also will be matched up against kids at their level so they still enjoy the sport. The ONLY problem with A and B is that head case parents can't label their kid as a B player and most Dads who coach are coaching their son on A teams, thus B teams lack dedicated coaches. Thats it, kids should be split. Years ago kids didn't make the cut, now they still can enjoy the game at their own pace.

Great post. In my town the A and B players are mixed together and the top players do NOT enjoy the team. It has only divided the town, the players, and the coaches. It's a disaster and the kids are the only ones who suffer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

stop babying the kids.having an A and B squad only benefits the kids. The A kids can play in a more competitive league with kids more their level, and the B kids will get tons of PT and develop confidence. They also will be matched up against kids at their level so they still enjoy the sport. The ONLY problem with A and B is that head case parents can't label their kid as a B player and most Dads who coach are coaching their son on A teams, thus B teams lack dedicated coaches. Thats it, kids should be split. Years ago kids didn't make the cut, now they still can enjoy the game at their own pace.

I wish my town would do this. It is crazy to have kids out there who can't catch and throw playing against kids from top travel teams. All it does is hurt their confidence and makes them not want to play. If there are enough kids, there should be an A/B format for each team. It is in the best interest for the new kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I read here that a lot of parents want the HS coach to be an active participant in PAL, well the HS coaches I have spoken to believe there should be no "A" or "B" designation, just mix all the kids up and teach them solid fundamental lacrosse. I agree wholeheartedly, thoughts?

Idealistically? Without a doubt! Practically? Maybe - it depends. If you have coaches that can work together to run a productive practice, that both teaches and keeps the boys interested and enthusiastic, all the while accommodating sometimes drastic gaps in both skill and commitment to the game, then yes. But that's a tall order for many coaches and organizations.

The real question for the poster is, "how many of those coaches he spoke to have actively tried to get involved and made this known to their community youth organizations?". Many here lambasted the very idea (not paid to do it, too much more time, etc, etc). In these cases, we at least seem to have some coaches that are thinking this way, but are they doing anything to actually make a mark in their community organizations? Talk is cheap.

There are some school districts that will not allow the HS coach to be involved with youth lacrosse in the town.

That sounds like a good policy! /sarc Why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

stop babying the kids.having an A and B squad only benefits the kids. The A kids can play in a more competitive league with kids more their level, and the B kids will get tons of PT and develop confidence. They also will be matched up against kids at their level so they still enjoy the sport. The ONLY problem with A and B is that head case parents can't label their kid as a B player and most Dads who coach are coaching their son on A teams, thus B teams lack dedicated coaches. Thats it, kids should be split. Years ago kids didn't make the cut, now they still can enjoy the game at their own pace.

I wish my town would do this. It is crazy to have kids out there who can't catch and throw playing against kids from top travel teams. All it does is hurt their confidence and makes them not want to play. If there are enough kids, there should be an A/B format for each team. It is in the best interest for the new kids.

So I can surmise that you would NOT want the HS coach involved unless the PAL was split down a talent level.

Most of the newer HS coaches are tied to travel programs and more concerned with getting their players developed there where they are profiting from it. I think the number of coaches that see themselves in the same spot in 7 years where the need to worry about the development of 5th grade pal kids is very small. Wouldnlove to a guy at the helm that is all in on a town program.

That's nothing!, you should see the kids that came out of the woodwork to play 7th and 8th school! Never picked up a stick they are getting 30 seconds of play time and getting crushed in the process. All because their parents want to be in the in croud. I feel sorry for them!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's nothing!, you should see the kids that came out of the woodwork to play 7th and 8th school! Never picked up a stick they are getting 30 seconds of play time and getting crushed in the process. All because their parents want to be in the in croud. I feel sorry for them!

Parents wanted to be part of the in crowd??? Really...you just said that?
In crowd?? You probably think it's the in crowd because of the low number of parents that you hang out with...... The rest of us are just laughing at you and your "in crowd "

So most posters believe the PAL program should be split, against what 3 separate coaches, Varsity and JV of both male female teams have told me. Says a lot about the school coaches getting involved with PAL. Now I know why all 3!stay away, they would have to fight a very uphill battle with parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

stop babying the kids.having an A and B squad only benefits the kids. The A kids can play in a more competitive league with kids more their level, and the B kids will get tons of PT and develop confidence. They also will be matched up against kids at their level so they still enjoy the sport. The ONLY problem with A and B is that head case parents can't label their kid as a B player and most Dads who coach are coaching their son on A teams, thus B teams lack dedicated coaches. Thats it, kids should be split. Years ago kids didn't make the cut, now they still can enjoy the game at their own pace.

I wish my town would do this. It is crazy to have kids out there who can't catch and throw playing against kids from top travel teams. All it does is hurt their confidence and makes them not want to play. If there are enough kids, there should be an A/B format for each team. It is in the best interest for the new kids.

So I can surmise that you would NOT want the HS coach involved unless the PAL was split down a talent level.

Most High School Coaches are so involved with their program they would have no time for PAL programs. Half of them can't even make their travel team practices

So if you have 2 teams, just split the kids onto each team with no rhyme or reason?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So most posters believe the PAL program should be split, against what 3 separate coaches, Varsity and JV of both male female teams have told me. Says a lot about the school coaches getting involved with PAL. Now I know why all 3!stay away, they would have to fight a very uphill battle with parents.

So if you have 2 teams you would just split the teams evenly?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I read here that a lot of parents want the HS coach to be an active participant in PAL, well the HS coaches I have spoken to believe there should be no "A" or "B" designation, just mix all the kids up and teach them solid fundamental lacrosse. I agree wholeheartedly, thoughts?

Those parents are the same ones that think participation trophies are good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So most posters believe the PAL program should be split, against what 3 separate coaches, Varsity and JV of both male female teams have told me. Says a lot about the school coaches getting involved with PAL. Now I know why all 3!stay away, they would have to fight a very uphill battle with parents.

They stay away cause they have no time and they don't get paid.

Did you ever find out why he's gone?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I read here that a lot of parents want the HS coach to be an active participant in PAL, well the HS coaches I have spoken to believe there should be no "A" or "B" designation, just mix all the kids up and teach them solid fundamental lacrosse. I agree wholeheartedly, thoughts?

Those parents are the same ones that think participation trophies are good.

Those were high school coaches who felt that way. The reasoning was to teach a much larger pool of kids good lacrosse so when they get up to middle school and high school you have sound lacrosse players developed through PAL. Or you could win the mythical PAL championship. Some parents think that's good too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I read here that a lot of parents want the HS coach to be an active participant in PAL, well the HS coaches I have spoken to believe there should be no "A" or "B" designation, just mix all the kids up and teach them solid fundamental lacrosse. I agree wholeheartedly, thoughts?

Idealistically? Without a doubt! Practically? Maybe - it depends. If you have coaches that can work together to run a productive practice, that both teaches and keeps the boys interested and enthusiastic, all the while accommodating sometimes drastic gaps in both skill and commitment to the game, then yes. But that's a tall order for many coaches and organizations.

The real question for the poster is, "how many of those coaches he spoke to have actively tried to get involved and made this known to their community youth organizations?". Many here lambasted the very idea (not paid to do it, too much more time, etc, etc). In these cases, we at least seem to have some coaches that are thinking this way, but are they doing anything to actually make a mark in their community organizations? Talk is cheap.

There are some school districts that will not allow the HS coach to be involved with youth lacrosse in the town.

school board needs to be spoken to, HS coaches in some way or another need to be involved with youth programs ( in all sports). Remember coaching contracts are yearly.

I am a firm believer of A and B split teams. I also believe you need at least 2 practices a week. One practice as a grade, one as a team. If coach wants another 3rd practice day, so be it.

Kids play at different skills. If enough players for two teams definitely go, AB. Keeping an eye on all players even the players a grade below. I also believe in bringing the better younger players up a grade. I come from a town that the PAL parent coaches blackballed a boy simply because they knew their friend's son would be negatively impacted if they allowed the younger player to play.

Coach wasn't involved with youth, he was old school, didn't see the new wave of things. Happens. In the process town lost the two best players the town (even LI) would have ever seen, along with the support players that would have made them a top program.

The culture of lacrosse has changed (maybe all sports), Coach didn't see it and lost the town's opportunity of a championship. But is it all worth a championship, who knows? After all, it's just a sport!

W

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I read here that a lot of parents want the HS coach to be an active participant in PAL, well the HS coaches I have spoken to believe there should be no "A" or "B" designation, just mix all the kids up and teach them solid fundamental lacrosse. I agree wholeheartedly, thoughts?

Idealistically? Without a doubt! Practically? Maybe - it depends. If you have coaches that can work together to run a productive practice, that both teaches and keeps the boys interested and enthusiastic, all the while accommodating sometimes drastic gaps in both skill and commitment to the game, then yes. But that's a tall order for many coaches and organizations.

The real question for the poster is, "how many of those coaches he spoke to have actively tried to get involved and made this known to their community youth organizations?". Many here lambasted the very idea (not paid to do it, too much more time, etc, etc). In these cases, we at least seem to have some coaches that are thinking this way, but are they doing anything to actually make a mark in their community organizations? Talk is cheap.

There are some school districts that will not allow the HS coach to be involved with youth lacrosse in the town.

school board needs to be spoken to, HS coaches in some way or another need to be involved with youth programs ( in all sports). Remember coaching contracts are yearly.

I am a firm believer of A and B split teams. I also believe you need at least 2 practices a week. One practice as a grade, one as a team. If coach wants another 3rd practice day, so be it.

Kids play at different skills. If enough players for two teams definitely go, AB. Keeping an eye on all players even the players a grade below. I also believe in bringing the better younger players up a grade. I come from a town that the PAL parent coaches blackballed a boy simply because they knew their friend's son would be negatively impacted if they allowed the younger player to play.

Coach wasn't involved with youth, he was old school, didn't see the new wave of things. Happens. In the process town lost the two best players the town (even LI) would have ever seen, along with the support players that would have made them a top program.

The culture of lacrosse has changed (maybe all sports), Coach didn't see it and lost the town's opportunity of a championship. But is it all worth a championship, who knows? After all, it's just a sport!

W

Totally Agree with the post. Our town's PAL program is terrible. My son will be going the Private school route because of the negative town experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I read here that a lot of parents want the HS coach to be an active participant in PAL, well the HS coaches I have spoken to believe there should be no "A" or "B" designation, just mix all the kids up and teach them solid fundamental lacrosse. I agree wholeheartedly, thoughts?

Idealistically? Without a doubt! Practically? Maybe - it depends. If you have coaches that can work together to run a productive practice, that both teaches and keeps the boys interested and enthusiastic, all the while accommodating sometimes drastic gaps in both skill and commitment to the game, then yes. But that's a tall order for many coaches and organizations.

The real question for the poster is, "how many of those coaches he spoke to have actively tried to get involved and made this known to their community youth organizations?". Many here lambasted the very idea (not paid to do it, too much more time, etc, etc). In these cases, we at least seem to have some coaches that are thinking this way, but are they doing anything to actually make a mark in their community organizations? Talk is cheap.

There are some school districts that will not allow the HS coach to be involved with youth lacrosse in the town.

school board needs to be spoken to, HS coaches in some way or another need to be involved with youth programs ( in all sports). Remember coaching contracts are yearly.

I am a firm believer of A and B split teams. I also believe you need at least 2 practices a week. One practice as a grade, one as a team. If coach wants another 3rd practice day, so be it.

Kids play at different skills. If enough players for two teams definitely go, AB. Keeping an eye on all players even the players a grade below. I also believe in bringing the better younger players up a grade. I come from a town that the PAL parent coaches blackballed a boy simply because they knew their friend's son would be negatively impacted if they allowed the younger player to play.

Coach wasn't involved with youth, he was old school, didn't see the new wave of things. Happens. In the process town lost the two best players the town (even LI) would have ever seen, along with the support players that would have made them a top program.

The culture of lacrosse has changed (maybe all sports), Coach didn't see it and lost the town's opportunity of a championship. But is it all worth a championship, who knows? After all, it's just a sport!

W

Totally Agree with the post. Our town's PAL program is terrible. My son will be going the Private school route because of the negative town experience.

So your son is going to private school based on lacrosse? Priorities baby!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I read here that a lot of parents want the HS coach to be an active participant in PAL, well the HS coaches I have spoken to believe there should be no "A" or "B" designation, just mix all the kids up and teach them solid fundamental lacrosse. I agree wholeheartedly, thoughts?

Idealistically? Without a doubt! Practically? Maybe - it depends. If you have coaches that can work together to run a productive practice, that both teaches and keeps the boys interested and enthusiastic, all the while accommodating sometimes drastic gaps in both skill and commitment to the game, then yes. But that's a tall order for many coaches and organizations.

The real question for the poster is, "how many of those coaches he spoke to have actively tried to get involved and made this known to their community youth organizations?". Many here lambasted the very idea (not paid to do it, too much more time, etc, etc). In these cases, we at least seem to have some coaches that are thinking this way, but are they doing anything to actually make a mark in their community organizations? Talk is cheap.

There are some school districts that will not allow the HS coach to be involved with youth lacrosse in the town.

school board needs to be spoken to, HS coaches in some way or another need to be involved with youth programs ( in all sports). Remember coaching contracts are yearly.

I am a firm believer of A and B split teams. I also believe you need at least 2 practices a week. One practice as a grade, one as a team. If coach wants another 3rd practice day, so be it.

Kids play at different skills. If enough players for two teams definitely go, AB. Keeping an eye on all players even the players a grade below. I also believe in bringing the better younger players up a grade. I come from a town that the PAL parent coaches blackballed a boy simply because they knew their friend's son would be negatively impacted if they allowed the younger player to play.

Coach wasn't involved with youth, he was old school, didn't see the new wave of things. Happens. In the process town lost the two best players the town (even LI) would have ever seen, along with the support players that would have made them a top program.

The culture of lacrosse has changed (maybe all sports), Coach didn't see it and lost the town's opportunity of a championship. But is it all worth a championship, who knows? After all, it's just a sport!

W

Totally Agree with the post. Our town's PAL program is terrible. My son will be going the Private school route because of the negative town experience.

What town is that? Which private school has a good lacrosse program for your son?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I read here that a lot of parents want the HS coach to be an active participant in PAL, well the HS coaches I have spoken to believe there should be no "A" or "B" designation, just mix all the kids up and teach them solid fundamental lacrosse. I agree wholeheartedly, thoughts?

Idealistically? Without a doubt! Practically? Maybe - it depends. If you have coaches that can work together to run a productive practice, that both teaches and keeps the boys interested and enthusiastic, all the while accommodating sometimes drastic gaps in both skill and commitment to the game, then yes. But that's a tall order for many coaches and organizations.

The real question for the poster is, "how many of those coaches he spoke to have actively tried to get involved and made this known to their community youth organizations?". Many here lambasted the very idea (not paid to do it, too much more time, etc, etc). In these cases, we at least seem to have some coaches that are thinking this way, but are they doing anything to actually make a mark in their community organizations? Talk is cheap.

There are some school districts that will not allow the HS coach to be involved with youth lacrosse in the town.

school board needs to be spoken to, HS coaches in some way or another need to be involved with youth programs ( in all sports). Remember coaching contracts are yearly.

I am a firm believer of A and B split teams. I also believe you need at least 2 practices a week. One practice as a grade, one as a team. If coach wants another 3rd practice day, so be it.

Kids play at different skills. If enough players for two teams definitely go, AB. Keeping an eye on all players even the players a grade below. I also believe in bringing the better younger players up a grade. I come from a town that the PAL parent coaches blackballed a boy simply because they knew their friend's son would be negatively impacted if they allowed the younger player to play.

Coach wasn't involved with youth, he was old school, didn't see the new wave of things. Happens. In the process town lost the two best players the town (even LI) would have ever seen, along with the support players that would have made them a top program.

The culture of lacrosse has changed (maybe all sports), Coach didn't see it and lost the town's opportunity of a championship. But is it all worth a championship, who knows? After all, it's just a sport!

W

Totally Agree with the post. Our town's PAL program is terrible. My son will be going the Private school route because of the negative town experience.

What town is that? Which private school has a good lacrosse program for your son?

Huntington. St A's is local. It's the town PAL program that's a complete mess. It was the icing on the cake over all these years that made my mind up to send my son to Private.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So most posters believe the PAL program should be split, against what 3 separate coaches, Varsity and JV of both male female teams have told me. Says a lot about the school coaches getting involved with PAL. Now I know why all 3!stay away, they would have to fight a very uphill battle with parents.

That is an old guard statement, no coach in this day and age would say that. Okay maybe a coach who has very good to good. If you have players on different sides of the spectrum you wouldnt say split. It is all relative to what you have. if you have good to very good maybe split evenly.

if you have a good amount of both very good and developing, you cant, for each players growth, blend the team it is a detriment to both the very good and the developing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's nothing!, you should see the kids that came out of the woodwork to play 7th and 8th school! Never picked up a stick they are getting 30 seconds of play time and getting crushed in the process. All because their parents want to be in the in croud. I feel sorry for them!

Parents wanted to be part of the in crowd??? Really...you just said that?
In crowd?? You probably think it's the in crowd because of the low number of parents that you hang out with...... The rest of us are just laughing at you and your "in crowd "

He is absolutely right, if you think kids don't join HS sports teams (lacrosse, football) to be part of the "in crowd", you need to get your head out of your a-s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's nothing!, you should see the kids that came out of the woodwork to play 7th and 8th school! Never picked up a stick they are getting 30 seconds of play time and getting crushed in the process. All because their parents want to be in the in croud. I feel sorry for them!

Parents wanted to be part of the in crowd??? Really...you just said that?
In crowd?? You probably think it's the in crowd because of the low number of parents that you hang out with...... The rest of us are just laughing at you and your "in crowd "

He is absolutely right, if you think kids don't join HS sports teams (lacrosse, football) to be part of the "in crowd", you need to get your head out of your a-s.

You're not in the "IN CROWD", I can say this because I am in the IN CROWD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So most posters believe the PAL program should be split, against what 3 separate coaches, Varsity and JV of both male female teams have told me. Says a lot about the school coaches getting involved with PAL. Now I know why all 3!stay away, they would have to fight a very uphill battle with parents.

That is an old guard statement, no coach in this day and age would say that. Okay maybe a coach who has very good to good. If you have players on different sides of the spectrum you wouldnt say split. It is all relative to what you have. if you have good to very good maybe split evenly.

if you have a good amount of both very good and developing, you cant, for each players growth, blend the team it is a detriment to both the very good and the developing.

Call it what you will, one of the coaches won a state championship and one of them is in the mix every year. So I'll say they know their business.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I read here that a lot of parents want the HS coach to be an active participant in PAL, well the HS coaches I have spoken to believe there should be no "A" or "B" designation, just mix all the kids up and teach them solid fundamental lacrosse. I agree wholeheartedly, thoughts?

Idealistically? Without a doubt! Practically? Maybe - it depends. If you have coaches that can work together to run a productive practice, that both teaches and keeps the boys interested and enthusiastic, all the while accommodating sometimes drastic gaps in both skill and commitment to the game, then yes. But that's a tall order for many coaches and organizations.

The real question for the poster is, "how many of those coaches he spoke to have actively tried to get involved and made this known to their community youth organizations?". Many here lambasted the very idea (not paid to do it, too much more time, etc, etc). In these cases, we at least seem to have some coaches that are thinking this way, but are they doing anything to actually make a mark in their community organizations? Talk is cheap.

There are some school districts that will not allow the HS coach to be involved with youth lacrosse in the town.

school board needs to be spoken to, HS coaches in some way or another need to be involved with youth programs ( in all sports). Remember coaching contracts are yearly.

I am a firm believer of A and B split teams. I also believe you need at least 2 practices a week. One practice as a grade, one as a team. If coach wants another 3rd practice day, so be it.

Kids play at different skills. If enough players for two teams definitely go, AB. Keeping an eye on all players even the players a grade below. I also believe in bringing the better younger players up a grade. I come from a town that the PAL parent coaches blackballed a boy simply because they knew their friend's son would be negatively impacted if they allowed the younger player to play.

Coach wasn't involved with youth, he was old school, didn't see the new wave of things. Happens. In the process town lost the two best players the town (even LI) would have ever seen, along with the support players that would have made them a top program.

The culture of lacrosse has changed (maybe all sports), Coach didn't see it and lost the town's opportunity of a championship. But is it all worth a championship, who knows? After all, it's just a sport!

W

Totally Agree with the post. Our town's PAL program is terrible. My son will be going the Private school route because of the negative town experience.

So your son is going to private school based on lacrosse? Priorities baby!!

Sometimes lacrosse (or any sport) is the last straw. Just as drama or any other sport or extra curricular activity might be.

I know of young boys who played Varsity in 8th grade then chose to go Private. They didnt stay because to their families their priorities were straight. I also know of others that played HS in 8th that wish they made the switch to catholic but didnt just because they wanted to stay in town. Were their priorities correct. Hindsight is always 50/50.

It isnt always lacrosse but sometimes it is. I applaud the player that seeks a challenge and wants more. Especially those that would have been awarded and had been 5 year varsity starters who probably broke records both individual and team.

there isnt a model that fits all kids, what you may consider a priority is not my top 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's nothing!, you should see the kids that came out of the woodwork to play 7th and 8th school! Never picked up a stick they are getting 30 seconds of play time and getting crushed in the process. All because their parents want to be in the in croud. I feel sorry for them!

Parents wanted to be part of the in crowd??? Really...you just said that?
In crowd?? You probably think it's the in crowd because of the low number of parents that you hang out with...... The rest of us are just laughing at you and your "in crowd "

He is absolutely right, if you think kids don't join HS sports teams (lacrosse, football) to be part of the "in crowd", you need to get your head out of your a-s.

Kids do go out for a team because of the camaraderie. Parents do push kids to try out to be a "part" of something. Nothing wrong with either especially in MS. At least kid is trying... at least parents trying to get kid involved with something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's nothing!, you should see the kids that came out of the woodwork to play 7th and 8th school! Never picked up a stick they are getting 30 seconds of play time and getting crushed in the process. All because their parents want to be in the in croud. I feel sorry for them!

Parents wanted to be part of the in crowd??? Really...you just said that?
In crowd?? You probably think it's the in crowd because of the low number of parents that you hang out with...... The rest of us are just laughing at you and your "in crowd "

He is absolutely right, if you think kids don't join HS sports teams (lacrosse, football) to be part of the "in crowd", you need to get your head out of your a-s.

You're not in the "IN CROWD", I can say this because I am in the IN CROWD.

You're in HS??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's nothing!, you should see the kids that came out of the woodwork to play 7th and 8th school! Never picked up a stick they are getting 30 seconds of play time and getting crushed in the process. All because their parents want to be in the in croud. I feel sorry for them!

Parents wanted to be part of the in crowd??? Really...you just said that?
In crowd?? You probably think it's the in crowd because of the low number of parents that you hang out with...... The rest of us are just laughing at you and your "in crowd "

He is absolutely right, if you think kids don't join HS sports teams (lacrosse, football) to be part of the "in crowd", you need to get your head out of your a-s.

Kids do go out for a team because of the camaraderie. Parents do push kids to try out to be a "part" of something. Nothing wrong with either especially in MS. At least kid is trying... at least parents trying to get kid involved with something.

Key word being "kid" wants to be in the in crowd, not the parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's nothing!, you should see the kids that came out of the woodwork to play 7th and 8th school! Never picked up a stick they are getting 30 seconds of play time and getting crushed in the process. All because their parents want to be in the in croud. I feel sorry for them!

Parents wanted to be part of the in crowd??? Really...you just said that?
In crowd?? You probably think it's the in crowd because of the low number of parents that you hang out with...... The rest of us are just laughing at you and your "in crowd "

He is absolutely right, if you think kids don't join HS sports teams (lacrosse, football) to be part of the "in crowd", you need to get your head out of your a-s.

You're not in the "IN CROWD", I can say this because I am in the IN CROWD.

You're in HS??

My God, it was a joke, lighten up Francis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's nothing!, you should see the kids that came out of the woodwork to play 7th and 8th school! Never picked up a stick they are getting 30 seconds of play time and getting crushed in the process. All because their parents want to be in the in croud. I feel sorry for them!

Parents wanted to be part of the in crowd??? Really...you just said that?
In crowd?? You probably think it's the in crowd because of the low number of parents that you hang out with...... The rest of us are just laughing at you and your "in crowd "

He is absolutely right, if you think kids don't join HS sports teams (lacrosse, football) to be part of the "in crowd", you need to get your head out of your a-s.

Kids do go out for a team because of the camaraderie. Parents do push kids to try out to be a "part" of something. Nothing wrong with either especially in MS. At least kid is trying... at least parents trying to get kid involved with something.

Key word being "kid" wants to be in the in crowd, not the parent.

im sure bill gates really missed being in the in crowd

PAL is the LOWEST form of lacrosse, so to go A and B is ridiculous. Maybe in 5th or 6th grades. The better kids will get enough high level competition outside of PAL. A rising tide lifts all ships and will help the other players in their town to develop when they are all together. Up until 5th grade or so, the skill set on the B team--I don't care what town you're from--is not strong enough to carry a team. Once this develops, then you can split and it will actually benefit the bubble players that fell to B because they will assume a role they wouldn't of had on the A team. The reason I think there was a push for A teams in PAL is because you had big, good lax towns fielding one team for PAL strong pal team that was beating up on other towns (Long Beach, Smithtown, Three Village) and the other good lax towns got sick of it and said we can do the same--then those big guys didn't even sign up to play in the "A" division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So most posters believe the PAL program should be split, against what 3 separate coaches, Varsity and JV of both male female teams have told me. Says a lot about the school coaches getting involved with PAL. Now I know why all 3!stay away, they would have to fight a very uphill battle with parents.

That is an old guard statement, no coach in this day and age would say that. Okay maybe a coach who has very good to good. If you have players on different sides of the spectrum you wouldnt say split. It is all relative to what you have. if you have good to very good maybe split evenly.

if you have a good amount of both very good and developing, you cant, for each players growth, blend the team it is a detriment to both the very good and the developing.

Call it what you will, one of the coaches won a state championship and one of them is in the mix every year. So I'll say they know their business.

yeah maybe those are involved either direct or indirect and that is the reason. Also, what is the talent pool all is relative

They also probably have one of the better programs where the kids come into knowing how to themrow and catch and there is a lot less disparity. The other districts that have travel kids playing with kids that leave their sticks in the trunk each week understand. Nothing like watching your kid getting hacked by 4 defenders because one of his attackmen is standing next to him yelling pass and the other is 80 yards out of the play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They also probably have one of the better programs where the kids come into knowing how to themrow and catch and there is a lot less disparity. The other districts that have travel kids playing with kids that leave their sticks in the trunk each week understand. Nothing like watching your kid getting hacked by 4 defenders because one of his attackmen is standing next to him yelling pass and the other is 80 yards out of the play.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Totally true. My son comes home with dents in his body because the others can't set a pick or help with a ground ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They also probably have one of the better programs where the kids come into knowing how to themrow and catch and there is a lot less disparity. The other districts that have travel kids playing with kids that leave their sticks in the trunk each week understand. Nothing like watching your kid getting hacked by 4 defenders because one of his attackmen is standing next to him yelling pass and the other is 80 yards out of the play.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Totally true. My son comes home with dents in his body because the others can't set a pick or help with a ground ball.

Absolutely, if we can't get a waiver to go to another district next year, will be our last PAL game this may. Our towns team is awful. Have to take younger kids just to field a team. And those kids are brand new too.

You folks do realize that you are "LOL!!!"-ing and complaining about kids trying to learn a sport in an environment designed to learn said sport? Just look in the mirror and see if you like the guy who does that.

And you may want to ask your son if he would be happy with you pulling him from a team with his friends because you have decided he is too good for it prior to getting that waiver.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You folks do realize that you are "LOL!!!"-ing and complaining about kids trying to learn a sport in an environment designed to learn said sport? Just look in the mirror and see if you like the guy who does that.

And you may want to ask your son if he would be happy with you pulling him from a team with his friends because you have decided he is too good for it prior to getting that waiver.

I was the one that talked him into playing for his town team and giving it a shot. They have 2 players on the bench most weeks. Couple kids already quit cause they decided they don't like the sport. Most kids did not return from last year cause it was a joke. "He can see his friends on the playground" his words.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You folks do realize that you are "LOL!!!"-ing and complaining about kids trying to learn a sport in an environment designed to learn said sport? Just look in the mirror and see if you like the guy who does that.

And you may want to ask your son if he would be happy with you pulling him from a team with his friends because you have decided he is too good for it prior to getting that waiver.

I was the one that talked him into playing for his town team and giving it a shot. They have 2 players on the bench most weeks. Couple kids already quit cause they decided they don't like the sport. Most kids did not return from last year cause it was a joke. "He can see his friends on the playground" his words.

Of course he is going to say that. He sees your attitude towards it and acts accordingly.

Kids want to be on teams with their friends period. If he is as far superior as you lead us to believe, he benefits from being a team leader no matter how much of a joke your town team is.

Ask yourself how good the kids who left are if the team was a joke with them on it!

Teach him to be part of the solution

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You folks do realize that you are "LOL!!!"-ing and complaining about kids trying to learn a sport in an environment designed to learn said sport? Just look in the mirror and see if you like the guy who does that.

And you may want to ask your son if he would be happy with you pulling him from a team with his friends because you have decided he is too good for it prior to getting that waiver.

I was the one that talked him into playing for his town team and giving it a shot. They have 2 players on the bench most weeks. Couple kids already quit cause they decided they don't like the sport. Most kids did not return from last year cause it was a joke. "He can see his friends on the playground" his words.

Of course he is going to say that. He sees your attitude towards it and acts accordingly.

Kids want to be on teams with their friends period. If he is as far superior as you lead us to believe, he benefits from being a team leader no matter how much of a joke your town team is.

Ask yourself how good the kids who left are if the team was a joke with them on it!

Teach him to be part of the solution

team them to be the best they can
teach them to challenge themselves
teach them there is move then the town borders
teach them there is more than lacrosse

Listen my town team stinks. I am not going to lie now matter how much we tell the parents the kids need to practice other than once or twice a week the stick stays in the trunk of the car or if they do catch it, you can see the surprise on their face then they give it to the other team right away. We've had kids that have been playing for years and still lack the basic fundamentals to play the game now matter how many times you explain a drill to them. With that said i can easily take my son to another town and have him play but you know what he loves playing with his friends as frustrating as it is for me so that is a battle I no longer fight. Our agreement was that he would use the practices to work on something he needed like his left hand.I take him to games, I watch and cheer and I ask him i he had fun at the end.

The best part of this is how he communicates during the games and helps the other players out. Sorry to say but sometimes they are better people than we are (me included) because they have not been corrupted by this cynical world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Listen my town team stinks. I am not going to lie now matter how much we tell the parents the kids need to practice other than once or twice a week the stick stays in the trunk of the car or if they do catch it, you can see the surprise on their face then they give it to the other team right away. We've had kids that have been playing for years and still lack the basic fundamentals to play the game now matter how many times you explain a drill to them. With that said i can easily take my son to another town and have him play but you know what he loves playing with his friends as frustrating as it is for me so that is a battle I no longer fight. Our agreement was that he would use the practices to work on something he needed like his left hand.I take him to games, I watch and cheer and I ask him i he had fun at the end.

The best part of this is how he communicates during the games and helps the other players out. Sorry to say but sometimes they are better people than we are (me included) because they have not been corrupted by this cynical world.

I agree 100%. And I wrote the post above. I am very positive about it and I do not discourage him from playing on this team. But every week he walks off the field frustrated that the kids can't catch or that they really don't understand the basic concepts of the sport. He tries to help the newer kids, but he gets the deer in the headlights look from them. I don't want him to quit the team, but I also don't want to force him to play there either. Which is what is happening. We will wait til the end of the year to see what happens.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You folks do realize that you are "LOL!!!"-ing and complaining about kids trying to learn a sport in an environment designed to learn said sport? Just look in the mirror and see if you like the guy who does that.

And you may want to ask your son if he would be happy with you pulling him from a team with his friends because you have decided he is too good for it prior to getting that waiver.

I was the one that talked him into playing for his town team and giving it a shot. They have 2 players on the bench most weeks. Couple kids already quit cause they decided they don't like the sport. Most kids did not return from last year cause it was a joke. "He can see his friends on the playground" his words.

Of course he is going to say that. He sees your attitude towards it and acts accordingly.

Kids want to be on teams with their friends period. If he is as far superior as you lead us to believe, he benefits from being a team leader no matter how much of a joke your town team is.

Ask yourself how good the kids who left are if the team was a joke with them on it!

Teach him to be part of the solution

team them to be the best they can
teach them to challenge themselves
teach them there is move then the town borders
teach them there is more than lacrosse

That all sounds very lovely. Almost like an episode of full house. Unfortunately sounds like it's at the "hard to soar like an eagle, when you play with Turkeys stage" my son had a similar experience. Most of the good kids in the town (4-5) played for a neighboring town. When our town made them come back. They played for a year, then all quit. At some point after all methods have been exhausted. You have to do what you and your son thinks is best for him.

If ur kid wants to continue to play on a lousy town team just so he can be with his friends than he's not serious about lax, just accept it and move on, there are plenty of options for lax, especially on LI...

That is the dumbest thing I have ever read on here. Our "PAL" team is all travel kids playing for our town team. Our kids are properly coached and love playing together and winning! Stop spreading negativity !!!

You are very fortunate to have a PAL team in your town that has kids that can play. In my town we aren't that lucky but the kids have fun, even the few kids that do play travel. I'm sure they would prefer to be more competitive, but I think they look at PAL as practice and look at their club team as their "real" team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If ur kid wants to continue to play on a lousy town team just so he can be with his friends than he's not serious about lax, just accept it and move on, there are plenty of options for lax, especially on LI...

Oh a kid is not serious if he enjoys playing with his friend. I bet you're the same parent who screams at his son the whole 8 hr trip home telling him what he did wrong and what he can do better. I would check his room or the garage to make sure he does not have a bag packed for the day he turns 18. You my friend need help

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are very fortunate to have a PAL team in your town that has kids that can play. In my town we aren't that lucky but the kids have fun, even the few kids that do play travel. I'm sure they would prefer to be more competitive, but I think they look at PAL as practice and look at their club team as their "real" team.

What grade is your kid in? I have a 2023 kid and we haven't encountered any PAL team's that I would say were terrible. Obviously some are better than others. There are even some really good ones (Manhasset, Massapequa, RVC etc.) But at the 6th grade level most of the kids on the team can catch and have decent stick skills. We have a few kids that are new to the sport but when mixed in with the seasons kids they do ok.

Enough with the psychology talk and post analysations, especially the idiot talking about 18 y/o runaways and car rides home, let's get to what really matters, whose the best Nassau/suffolk team halfway thru the pal season???

This Sunday is another travel tournament that will disrupt PAL lacrosse. The final 2 weeks of the Nassau season will be a disaster . Suffolk was smart to start early. Pro athletes like Rabil are also running Sunday clinics up against PAL. Plus soccer and other sports are also hurting turnout for some schools. As one of the smaller programs that tend to get lost in the schedule shuffle I would almost consider just finding convenient better matched scrimmages on my own next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Sunday is another travel tournament that will disrupt PAL lacrosse. The final 2 weeks of the Nassau season will be a disaster . Suffolk was smart to start early. Pro athletes like Rabil are also running Sunday clinics up against PAL. Plus soccer and other sports are also hurting turnout for some schools. As one of the smaller programs that tend to get lost in the schedule shuffle I would almost consider just finding convenient better matched scrimmages on my own next year.

Agree, Nassau going passed memorial day is gonna suck, although starting any earlier would be dicey. Weather at the end of March is unpredictable.
Our first game was the first Sunday in april.....we we're able to get in one practice in the 3 weeks leading up to the game due to weather.
I'm not blaming travel for the crossup here. Travel dates are booked well in advance. PAL guys know the dates, so they should really try to find a way to fit the 8 game schedule into 8 weeks. Think any team would oppose an evening game here or there. This way PAL is done before memorial day.
Can't help you with other sport conflicts.

Don't know anything about Nassau but in my yrs of experience, with the exception of occasional game time changes suffolk pal is pretty well organized. I'm sure others may disagree but that's just my opinion. Can't get past the fact almost all sports are played year round and many of the kids who play on pal also have other commitments to their club teams. If ur kid wants to play competitive lax sounds like in ur case u don't have many options but to put him on a club team, or sell ur house and move..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the psychology talk and post analysations, especially the idiot talking about 18 y/o runaways and car rides home, let's get to what really matters, whose the best Nassau/suffolk team halfway thru the pal season???

"Who's the best PAL team halfway through the season?"
Dude, you win chump of the year award. Get off BOC and pick up shuffle ball as a sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the psychology talk and post analysations, especially the idiot talking about 18 y/o runaways and car rides home, let's get to what really matters, whose the best Nassau/suffolk team halfway thru the pal season???

"Who's the best PAL team halfway through the season?"
Dude, you win chump of the year award. Get off BOC and pick up shuffle ball as a sport.

maybe its a kid posting, if it is than its ok to see how other teams stack up against yours. Friendly competition. If its a grown man.....well thats a different story. Support your kid either way and leave it at that.

Didnt post original insulting comment to u but shuffleboard is not a sport, it's a recreational activity, just for future reference

Hard to tell who is serious, who is trolling, and who is sarcastic.

More tools on this site than in a mechanics garage

LOL

*see 2024 posts, good talks about PAL

Does anyone know how much Christian Koehler tournaments was???

Cold Spring Harbor 6th grade team has to be the dirtiest team I've ever seen.

More problems coming. Teams are suddenly finding their kids won't be showing up this week for the 3pm away game on Mother's Day. PAL gave them until 5/1 to cancel now they must forfeit.

That stuff is learned from some where

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cold Spring Harbor 6th grade team has to be the dirtiest team I've ever seen.

Dirty how?

Dirty like Ridin dirty and Nasty? Or their uniforms were not clean. That is a shame-they play on turf too, no excuse for a soiled uniform. Our apologies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cold Spring Harbor 6th grade team has to be the dirtiest team I've ever seen.

Dirty how?

Igloo players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cold Spring Harbor 6th grade team has to be the dirtiest team I've ever seen.

Dirty how?

Igloo players

Cheap shots, bad fouls, taking shots at players when refs looking the other way ect.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know how much Christian Koehler tournaments was???

Think is was $700 or $725... very reasonable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know how much Christian Koehler tournaments was???

$725. listed on the flyer still on the tournaments thread

"Think is was $700 or $725... very reasonable." just because everyone is charging that does not make it "reasonable". Still very excessive for what is being provided and what you get. Will continue to schedule our own round robins and cover the ref fees... all these tournaments are a joke--though at least this one the proceeds are going to a cause and not someone's pocket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Think is was $700 or $725... very reasonable." just because everyone is charging that does not make it "reasonable". Still very excessive for what is being provided and what you get. Will continue to schedule our own round robins and cover the ref fees... all these tournaments are a joke--though at least this one the proceeds are going to a cause and not someone's pocket.

Yes, proceeds are going to Make-a-Wish. This has been a very well run and fun tournament since it's inception. I started attending with my older son, then my middle and now my youngest. With very few exceptions, it is a true "town" tournament. My hat goes off to Chris K for all he does to make it happen. If this is not a tournament that you can get behind then you should stick to your round robins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Think is was $700 or $725... very reasonable." just because everyone is charging that does not make it "reasonable". Still very excessive for what is being provided and what you get. Will continue to schedule our own round robins and cover the ref fees... all these tournaments are a joke--though at least this one the proceeds are going to a cause and not someone's pocket.

Yes, proceeds are going to Make-a-Wish. This has been a very well run and fun tournament since it's inception. I started attending with my older son, then my middle and now my youngest. With very few exceptions, it is a true "town" tournament. My hat goes off to Chris K for all he does to make it happen. If this is not a tournament that you can get behind then you should stick to your round robins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Think is was $700 or $725... very reasonable." just because everyone is charging that does not make it "reasonable". Still very excessive for what is being provided and what you get. Will continue to schedule our own round robins and cover the ref fees... all these tournaments are a joke--though at least this one the proceeds are going to a cause and not someone's pocket.

Yes, proceeds are going to Make-a-Wish. This has been a very well run and fun tournament since it's inception. I started attending with my older son, then my middle and now my youngest. With very few exceptions, it is a true "town" tournament. My hat goes off to Chris K for all he does to make it happen. If this is not a tournament that you can get behind then you should stick to your round robins.

Agreed fun tournament, we'll run and for good cause

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Think is was $700 or $725... very reasonable." just because everyone is charging that does not make it "reasonable". Still very excessive for what is being provided and what you get. Will continue to schedule our own round robins and cover the ref fees... all these tournaments are a joke--though at least this one the proceeds are going to a cause and not someone's pocket.

How amazingly cheap are you? with 20 kids it's less than 40 bucks. You are squeaky tight!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Think is was $700 or $725... very reasonable." just because everyone is charging that does not make it "reasonable". Still very excessive for what is being provided and what you get. Will continue to schedule our own round robins and cover the ref fees... all these tournaments are a joke--though at least this one the proceeds are going to a cause and not someone's pocket.

You might have to finally spend your communion money to put your kid in. Sheesh!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Think is was $700 or $725... very reasonable." just because everyone is charging that does not make it "reasonable". Still very excessive for what is being provided and what you get. Will continue to schedule our own round robins and cover the ref fees... all these tournaments are a joke--though at least this one the proceeds are going to a cause and not someone's pocket.

Do you get your fields for free? Do you have insurance coverage? Medical staff? Anything at all? You cheap Bast@#d! Its a fundraiser too, anyone that knows you and anyone who knows you posted this should refuse to play against any of your teams just on the grounds that anyone that cheap must be morally reprehensible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Think is was $700 or $725... very reasonable." just because everyone is charging that does not make it "reasonable". Still very excessive for what is being provided and what you get. Will continue to schedule our own round robins and cover the ref fees... all these tournaments are a joke--though at least this one the proceeds are going to a cause and not someone's pocket.

How amazingly cheap are you? with 20 kids it's less than 40 bucks. You are squeaky tight!

Seriousy! and with your crappy attitude do everyone a favor and stay home! no one wants you, your $725 or your team at the tourney. Try reading up and educating yourself on the tournament, the kid who is honored at this tournament and his dad who organizes and runs it every year, in memory of his son. One of the nicest guys and appreciates everyone who participates in the tourney. It's a great day, boys have fun, understand what it's about and life lesson to boot. No one needs your negativity.

Wow, then venom. Do you know how to read!!! "at least this one the proceeds are going to a cause and not someone's pocket."
And I know full well the the various costs and efforts to put on a tournament. Glad the money is going to a worthy cause and my town has supported this in the past. If you pull your head out of the sand you might realize we are lining the pockets of other tournament organizers at a TREMENDOUS profit for them. So much for all about the kids...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Think is was $700 or $725... very reasonable." just because everyone is charging that does not make it "reasonable". Still very excessive for what is being provided and what you get. Will continue to schedule our own round robins and cover the ref fees... all these tournaments are a joke--though at least this one the proceeds are going to a cause and not someone's pocket.

How amazingly cheap are you? with 20 kids it's less than 40 bucks. You are squeaky tight!

Seriousy! and with your crappy attitude do everyone a favor and stay home! no one wants you, your $725 or your team at the tourney. Try reading up and educating yourself on the tournament, the kid who is honored at this tournament and his dad who organizes and runs it every year, in memory of his son. One of the nicest guys and appreciates everyone who participates in the tourney. It's a great day, boys have fun, understand what it's about and life lesson to boot. No one needs your negativity.

Ummm - I think the poster was making one of the same points you are. He was basically saying it wasn't a lot of money, yet you sh*t all over him. wth?

He posted this in his original "though at least this one the proceeds are going to a cause and not someone's pocket" . You posted:"Seriously! and with your crappy attitude do everyone a favor and stay home! no one wants you, your $725 or your team at the tourney" And then you posted: "No one needs your negativity" See the irony?

PAL lacrosse and everything said in the Boys PAL forum is a joke. should get rid of PAL all together.

PAL just needs a revamp. Old school administration with old school thoughts. How is it that PAL football has a PAL championship but Lacrosse does not. They should do a PAL championship Tournament with the right to play for a Suffolk County Championship.

Regular season can still be conducted as normal and towards the latter part of the season start playing playoff games at the complex during the week and have a final four weekend in each division after memorial day weekend. It would bring excitement to the sport. One step further Nassau could also do it and have a long Island Championship. No ones season would be affected. PAL can still have kids developing in Lacrosse.

Like I said they do it in football but why not Lacrosse? It would cut down on tournament fees during the season and make playing with your town during the spring more of a priority. From a former PAL rep.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL just needs a revamp. Old school administration with old school thoughts. How is it that PAL football has a PAL championship but Lacrosse does not. They should do a PAL championship Tournament with the right to play for a Suffolk County Championship.

Regular season can still be conducted as normal and towards the latter part of the season start playing playoff games at the complex during the week and have a final four weekend in each division after memorial day weekend. It would bring excitement to the sport. One step further Nassau could also do it and have a long Island Championship. No ones season would be affected. PAL can still have kids developing in Lacrosse.

Like I said they do it in football but why not Lacrosse? It would cut down on tournament fees during the season and make playing with your town during the spring more of a priority. From a former PAL rep.

Would that be enough to bring the kids that have left and are going to leave back? Not so sure. They need to 1st do something to stop the exodus from PAL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He posted this in his original "though at least this one the proceeds are going to a cause and not someone's pocket" . You posted:"Seriously! and with your crappy attitude do everyone a favor and stay home! no one wants you, your $725 or your team at the tourney" And then you posted: "No one needs your negativity" See the irony?

The original poster called the tournament "a joke" and the cost "excessive ". He should be ashamed of himself.

They do PAL football championship, not lacrosse because nobody plays club football, I'm sure there is some sort of winter football somewhere, but nobody I know does it. My sons PAL team has 8 kids who play club, these families spend alot of money on this. This is their priority. PAL is fun for a couple months, but it doesn't seem anyone would be wanting to postpone club lacrosse to play PAL for another 2 or 3 weeks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They do PAL football championship, not lacrosse because nobody plays club football, I'm sure there is some sort of winter football somewhere, but nobody I know does it. My sons PAL team has 8 kids who play club, these families spend alot of money on this. This is their priority. PAL is fun for a couple months, but it doesn't seem anyone would be wanting to postpone club lacrosse to play PAL for another 2 or 3 weeks.

I agree extending PAL is not something people will sign up for.....but no reason you can't make this happen and still be done by memorial day. Start last weekend in March, first weekend in April. Play your 8 game schedule over 6 weeks.....mix in one or two weeknight games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They do PAL football championship, not lacrosse because nobody plays club football, I'm sure there is some sort of winter football somewhere, but nobody I know does it. My sons PAL team has 8 kids who play club, these families spend alot of money on this. This is their priority. PAL is fun for a couple months, but it doesn't seem anyone would be wanting to postpone club lacrosse to play PAL for another 2 or 3 weeks.

I agree extending PAL is not something people will sign up for.....but no reason you can't make this happen and still be done by memorial day. Start last weekend in March, first weekend in April. Play your 8 game schedule over 6 weeks.....mix in one or two weeknight games.

imagine the cheating then. Kids would be coming out of the woodworks for the championship games. No integrity in PAL either. At least football has weigh ins and IDs to verify the kids class. Lax needs to step up with the times. CYO even posts scores and playoffs for youth. PAL is babying them like Little League

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They do PAL football championship, not lacrosse because nobody plays club football, I'm sure there is some sort of winter football somewhere, but nobody I know does it. My sons PAL team has 8 kids who play club, these families spend alot of money on this. This is their priority. PAL is fun for a couple months, but it doesn't seem anyone would be wanting to postpone club lacrosse to play PAL for another 2 or 3 weeks.

A big issue is, if your not happy for whatever reason. You can't leave. With club you can just go to another team. So people wind up just quitting PAL and those kids just do club. Sucks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They do PAL football championship, not lacrosse because nobody plays club football, I'm sure there is some sort of winter football somewhere, but nobody I know does it. My sons PAL team has 8 kids who play club, these families spend alot of money on this. This is their priority. PAL is fun for a couple months, but it doesn't seem anyone would be wanting to postpone club lacrosse to play PAL for another 2 or 3 weeks.

The NCYFL and LIYFL are the primary leagues for youth football on LI - neither have anything to do with PAL. And neither league has to content with competing play with other football play, so how is the comparison even remotely relevant?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They do PAL football championship, not lacrosse because nobody plays club football, I'm sure there is some sort of winter football somewhere, but nobody I know does it. My sons PAL team has 8 kids who play club, these families spend alot of money on this. This is their priority. PAL is fun for a couple months, but it doesn't seem anyone would be wanting to postpone club lacrosse to play PAL for another 2 or 3 weeks.

The NCYFL and LIYFL are the primary leagues for youth football on LI - neither have anything to do with PAL. And neither league has to content with competing play with other football play, so how is the comparison even remotely relevant?

Suffolk County PAL Football is the primary program for Suffolk. They do have a championship for Suffolk PAL. Some Nassau teams even play in the Suffolk PAL that are very competitive teams. The problem with it is that you have teams recruiting players from other towns to win a 12 year old PAL football championship. Shouldn't be allowed, and I'm glad that they don't have a Lacrosse championship for that reason. Let the kids be kids, play with their friends and develop together.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They do PAL football championship, not lacrosse because nobody plays club football, I'm sure there is some sort of winter football somewhere, but nobody I know does it. My sons PAL team has 8 kids who play club, these families spend alot of money on this. This is their priority. PAL is fun for a couple months, but it doesn't seem anyone would be wanting to postpone club lacrosse to play PAL for another 2 or 3 weeks.

I agree extending PAL is not something people will sign up for.....but no reason you can't make this happen and still be done by memorial day. Start last weekend in March, first weekend in April. Play your 8 game schedule over 6 weeks.....mix in one or two weeknight games.

imagine the cheating then. Kids would be coming out of the woodworks for the championship games. No integrity in PAL either. At least football has weigh ins and IDs to verify the kids class. Lax needs to step up with the times. CYO even posts scores and playoffs for youth. PAL is babying them like Little League

very true....but then you create rules. Not just rules that are written on a piece of paper, but rules that are actually followed and penalties are enforced.
Imagine this - roster is submitted week one for all teams. No roster. an be changed. Come championship game time (or any other game), if it is proven that a coach has a non roster player active.....game is forfeited and the entire town organization is penalized. not eligible for postseason for that season and following season. that will stop the one rogue coach in a given grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They do PAL football championship, not lacrosse because nobody plays club football, I'm sure there is some sort of winter football somewhere, but nobody I know does it. My sons PAL team has 8 kids who play club, these families spend alot of money on this. This is their priority. PAL is fun for a couple months, but it doesn't seem anyone would be wanting to postpone club lacrosse to play PAL for another 2 or 3 weeks.

A big issue is, if your not happy for whatever reason. You can't leave. With club you can just go to another team. So people wind up just quitting PAL and those kids just do club. Sucks

You can get a waiver that releases you from your town PAL program. Your town and PAL must approve the waiver, but don't say you can't leave.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They do PAL football championship, not lacrosse because nobody plays club football, I'm sure there is some sort of winter football somewhere, but nobody I know does it. My sons PAL team has 8 kids who play club, these families spend alot of money on this. This is their priority. PAL is fun for a couple months, but it doesn't seem anyone would be wanting to postpone club lacrosse to play PAL for another 2 or 3 weeks.

A big issue is, if your not happy for whatever reason. You can't leave. With club you can just go to another team. So people wind up just quitting PAL and those kids just do club. Sucks

You can get a waiver that releases you from your town PAL program. Your town and PAL must approve the waiver, but don't say you can't leave.

The fact that you don't have sole discretion to l eave and play elsewhere makes it true that you may not be able to leave - if we are comparing having the choice to club, then PAL and club are no way near the same. And how how many waivers are granted, and under what circumstances?

The fact that you don't have sole discretion to l eave and play elsewhere makes it true that you may not be able to leave - if we are comparing having the choice to club, then PAL and club are no way near the same. And how how many waivers are granted, and under what circumstances?[/quote]

Complain enough on the internet, stands and in town and I am sure that they would be happy to see you go.

You should ask, you might be surprised how easy it is for the town PAL director to sign your child (read you) a waiver.

the only reasons a child is allowed to change PAL teams from their home town to another town is if the child has a parent in that other town and spends time there with that parent OR there is no team in their home town at their age level. Other than that, PAL does not like to grant waivers. Allowing kids to change programs simply because their town's program is not up to par would create more chaos for parents to complain about. Think about this.... you and your son live in Sayville and a kid from Bayport Blue-Point decides he does not like BBP and want to play for Sayville instead and this kid is a better player than your son. Now the BBP kid is taking play time away from your kid. Sayville coaches are preparing the BBP kid to eventually play against the Sayville kids once he gets to high school. How does this make you feel? Your Sayville kid is on the sidelines while the BBP kid is on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the only reasons a child is allowed to change PAL teams from their home town to another town is if the child has a parent in that other town and spends time there with that parent OR there is no team in their home town at their age level. Other than that, PAL does not like to grant waivers. Allowing kids to change programs simply because their town's program is not up to par would create more chaos for parents to complain about. Think about this.... you and your son live in Sayville and a kid from Bayport Blue-Point decides he does not like BBP and want to play for Sayville instead and this kid is a better player than your son. Now the BBP kid is taking play time away from your kid. Sayville coaches are preparing the BBP kid to eventually play against the Sayville kids once he gets to high school. How does this make you feel? Your Sayville kid is on the sidelines while the BBP kid is on the field.

That is wrong as I am removing my child from our town PAL program due to his coach being a nut and parents complaining every week about how he handle things. There is no waiver of which you people speak of. How it works is you go and sign up for the new PAL team and when that team finds out you are not from the town they contact your home town PAL director he simply has to give the OK. Clearly you need to have the conversation with your home town director before doing so.

I would just disband PAL, let everyone play club. Now I know why I was so relieved when my son got to middle school. Crazy and annoying parents made my coaching life a nightmare. Everyone has a star for a son, try to play it even and the parents [lacrosse] and moan about not wining. Pay to play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the only reasons a child is allowed to change PAL teams from their home town to another town is if the child has a parent in that other town and spends time there with that parent OR there is no team in their home town at their age level. Other than that, PAL does not like to grant waivers. Allowing kids to change programs simply because their town's program is not up to par would create more chaos for parents to complain about. Think about this.... you and your son live in Sayville and a kid from Bayport Blue-Point decides he does not like BBP and want to play for Sayville instead and this kid is a better player than your son. Now the BBP kid is taking play time away from your kid. Sayville coaches are preparing the BBP kid to eventually play against the Sayville kids once he gets to high school. How does this make you feel? Your Sayville kid is on the sidelines while the BBP kid is on the field.

That is wrong as I am removing my child from our town PAL program due to his coach being a nut and parents complaining every week about how he handle things. There is no waiver of which you people speak of. How it works is you go and sign up for the new PAL team and when that team finds out you are not from the town they contact your home town PAL director he simply has to give the OK. Clearly you need to have the conversation with your home town director before doing so.

As a NC PAL Director there is indeed a Team Transfer Release form that needs to be completed by both town's directors in order for the player to be moved. The form asks for basic information and does not ask for a reason for the transfer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would just disband PAL, let everyone play club. Now I know why I was so relieved when my son got to middle school. Crazy and annoying parents made my coaching life a nightmare. Everyone has a star for a son, try to play it even and the parents [lacrosse] and moan about not wining. Pay to play

Oh that sounds like a good plan. Let's take the affordable 200 dollar team and create more teams that can charge 3000, potentially blocking kids that can afford it. . That's the way to grow the sport. Maybe we can make lacrosse directors the next billionaires while we are at it. 99% of the kids playing travel got their start in PAL. That's were they decided they like the sport and proabably picked up theirs first stick.

Three Village won't grant waivers. Others with no travel team edicts and other loyalty rules are also scummy about it.

It's relevant because in football, come November when season is coming to an end, kids aren't flocking to play club football. The longer the season goes the better. Come mid may when PAL lax is coming to an end, kids are flocking to their club teams. That's what I meant when I was answering about why PAL lax playoffs might not be so good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would just disband PAL, let everyone play club. Now I know why I was so relieved when my son got to middle school. Crazy and annoying parents made my coaching life a nightmare. Everyone has a star for a son, try to play it even and the parents [lacrosse] and moan about not wining. Pay to play

Oh that sounds like a good plan. Let's take the affordable 200 dollar team and create more teams that can charge 3000, potentially blocking kids that can afford it. . That's the way to grow the sport. Maybe we can make lacrosse directors the next billionaires while we are at it. 99% of the kids playing travel got their start in PAL. That's were they decided they like the sport and proabably picked up theirs first stick.

My point being that parents are turning PAL into a hyper competitive nightmare with A/N teams, high schools involved, 3 practices a week and on and on. They want a travel experience for pennies. Disband it and let club be the only way. Parents don't appreciate PAL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Three Village won't grant waivers. Others with no travel team edicts and other loyalty rules are also scummy about it.

b.s. had 2 three village kids in 2 years on my sons pal team. three village makes cuts at pal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Three Village won't grant waivers. Others with no travel team edicts and other loyalty rules are also scummy about it.

b.s. had 2 three village kids in 2 years on my sons pal team. three village makes cuts at pal

Not if your boy is good

Sounds like you have experience in this. Mad that a bayport kid is taking your kids playing time?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Three Village won't grant waivers. Others with no travel team edicts and other loyalty rules are also scummy about it.

b.s. had 2 three village kids in 2 years on my sons pal team. three village makes cuts at pal

Not if your boy is good

All kids in Three Village are placed on teams. They have A teams B teams and C teams. No one is "cut" from playing there. They don't grant releases and they don't except kids from other towns. If you do have 2 Three Village kids I am sure they weren't released to you town and your program just accepted them.

Who decides which kids are A,Bor C players?

Best player on Three Village 2023 A lives in Port Jeff, so yeah they do take kids from other towns/school districts

The dad who's kid is a C player.

Says the daddy coach of the kid who wouldn't be on the town A team if daddy wasn't there to play dirty pool backroom politics with kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who decides which kids are A,Bor C players?

They hire evaluators to do all grades except K,1, and 2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who decides which kids are A,Bor C players?

They hire evaluators to do all grades except K,1, and 2

how long have they been doing that?

That is incorrect... there are people from port jeff playing on 3V teams. 6th grade is an example.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best player on Three Village 2023 A lives in Port Jeff, so yeah they do take kids from other towns/school districts

Belle Terre actually, but part of the Port Jeff school district. Further proof that 3V is full of crap and their rules are negotiable as long as they serve them.

Three Village shouldn't have played in the Blatant Town Cup with their non-Town players. Another cheating team.

Three Village won't grant waivers. Others with no travel team edicts and other loyalty rules are also scummy about it.

Three Village is not scummy about their rules. Either play for their 1 travel team or play out and you can play on their B team. Very Straight forward.

It's straight forword but scummy. Top players can't play on their A team with their friends and play lacrosse on a top club. Give me a break. The other 100 towns all have it wrong, but 3 village has it right. Is that what your trying to say.

It is a choice you need to make with your child or for your child. There are no conflicts with tournaments/practice when you are playing for Three Village. In the perfect world you could play for both, but how do you choose with conflicts? I don't think it scummy, the rules are for all children regardless of year. I have children that have left and come back and were welcomed back. Others that have left. They are friends with children regardless of what team they play on.

The point is sir, not one single town besides ours, has to make this choice. Why is that. Is it possible that the 99 percent have it correct and the 1 percent are incorrect.

Top players want to play on A teams, kids playing for 7,8 years, would rather play with other kids that have been playing too. Nothing wrong with B teams, if kids are trying a new sport, learning the game, etc. it's not right, if it was right other towns would be doing it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is a choice you need to make with your child or for your child. There are no conflicts with tournaments/practice when you are playing for Three Village. In the perfect world you could play for both, but how do you choose with conflicts? I don't think it scummy, the rules are for all children regardless of year. I have children that have left and come back and were welcomed back. Others that have left. They are friends with children regardless of what team they play on.

But do they grant waivers if they banish a travel kid? I'm told they do not. How is that reasonable?

So if a youngster wants to play A lacrosse, but is only a B player in 3 Village he must play B? Wow, sounds great! Sign me up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if a youngster wants to play A lacrosse, but is only a B player in 3 Village he must play B? Wow, sounds great! Sign me up.

Ur statement makes no sense

Three Village has children try out and get ranked. A.B.C- A players who want to play pal and travel with the team play A. B players who want to play pal and travel with the team play for the b team. C players who want to play pal and travel with the team play together. If your child is an A player and wants to play club, he can not play out and play on the A team.
If your child is a B player and wants to play A- well the tourney selection is up to the coaches. Every year they evaluate and every year there are changes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if a youngster wants to play A lacrosse, but is only a B player in 3 Village he must play B? Wow, sounds great! Sign me up.

Ur statement makes no sense

Why not? read some of the posts re: 3 Village PAL. By the way Ur is not a word, unless "Ur" a 13 year old girl.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top players want to play on A teams, kids playing for 7,8 years, would rather play with other kids that have been playing too. Nothing wrong with B teams, if kids are trying a new sport, learning the game, etc. it's not right, if it was right other towns would be doing it.

Wait, are you saying no other towns have more than 1 team? Just think of 3 village as a travel team. They don't only play in town tourneys. I have seen them at Forsberg, NXT etc. can you play for express and legacy at the same time?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Three Village has children try out and get ranked. A.B.C- A players who want to play pal and travel with the team play A. B players who want to play pal and travel with the team play for the b team. C players who want to play pal and travel with the team play together. If your child is an A player and wants to play club, he can not play out and play on the A team.
If your child is a B player and wants to play A- well the tourney selection is up to the coaches. Every year they evaluate and every year there are changes.

So a bunch of dads decide where each kid gets to play?

I'll explain this once more. I'm talking A team PAL and a club team. Every other town you can do that. Do you understand. A team PAL and top club team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if a youngster wants to play A lacrosse, but is only a B player in 3 Village he must play B? Wow, sounds great! Sign me up.

Ur statement makes no sense

Why not? read some of the posts re: 3 Village PAL. By the way Ur is not a word, unless "Ur" a 13 year old girl.

I did read them dumbo, ur prob not gonna like that word either, u still make no sense, sign up with ur own district..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll explain this once more. I'm talking A team PAL and a club team. Every other town you can do that. Do you understand. A team PAL and top club team.

And 3 village is an A team that travels so you don't needs a club. Until 8th grade. Most PAL teams don't travel during the summer. 3 village seems like they do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll explain this once more. I'm talking A team PAL and a club team. Every other town you can do that. Do you understand. A team PAL and top club team.

Top club team? C'mon guy. I get it, you're looking long term and this will help the JV and Varsity programs, but 3V is definitely not a top club team. Not by a longshot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top players want to play on A teams, kids playing for 7,8 years, would rather play with other kids that have been playing too. Nothing wrong with B teams, if kids are trying a new sport, learning the game, etc. it's not right, if it was right other towns would be doing it.

Wait, are you saying no other towns have more than 1 team? Just think of 3 village as a travel team. They don't only play in town tourneys. I have seen them at Forsberg, NXT etc. can you play for express and legacy at the same time?

Maybe not those two, but I know a couple boys that have played for multiple travel teams at the same time. One boy that I know best split his conflicts between the two teams - practices weren't usually an issue, but for tourneys, he alternated who he played with when they conflicts arose. Considering so many travel teams have more players than they should, it didn't seem to present an issue for either of the two teams he played on. Personally, i wouldn't let my son do it for multiple reasons, but there are boys that do it.

That's my point, why can't a boy play A team PAL and then on express or 91. No other town has this restriction.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if a youngster wants to play A lacrosse, but is only a B player in 3 Village he must play B? Wow, sounds great! Sign me up.

Ur statement makes no sense

Why not? read some of the posts re: 3 Village PAL. By the way Ur is not a word, unless "Ur" a 13 year old girl.

I did read them dumbo, ur prob not gonna like that word either, u still make no sense, sign up with ur own district..

Can you write like an adult or are you actually a child? "ur" "gonna" "U", I will stick to my own district, I'm guessing you're the IDIOT of on of those three villages. Read a book dope!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's my point, why can't a boy play A team PAL and then on express or 91. No other town has this restriction.

because your son is a hack

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if a youngster wants to play A lacrosse, but is only a B player in 3 Village he must play B? Wow, sounds great! Sign me up.

Ur statement makes no sense

Why not? read some of the posts re: 3 Village PAL. By the way Ur is not a word, unless "Ur" a 13 year old girl.

I did read them dumbo, ur prob not gonna like that word either, u still make no sense, sign up with ur own district..

Says the IDIOT from one of the three villages. English is fundamental to this site, stupid a$$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's my point, why can't a boy play A team PAL and then on express or 91. No other town has this restriction.

Sounds like you have an axe to grind with 3 village. If you are not a fan of their policy which you apparently are not, move to another district. According to you there will be plenty of options as to where your kid can play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's my point, why can't a boy play A team PAL and then on express or 91. No other town has this restriction.

So then do it. And if 3v says anything tell the Suffolk PAL board of directors. It's not in their rules and 3v falls under them. If worse comes to worse, you can probably then get a waiver to play for another town.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Three Village has children try out and get ranked. A.B.C- A players who want to play pal and travel with the team play A. B players who want to play pal and travel with the team play for the b team. C players who want to play pal and travel with the team play together. If your child is an A player and wants to play club, he can not play out and play on the A team.
If your child is a B player and wants to play A- well the tourney selection is up to the coaches. Every year they evaluate and every year there are changes.

They actually build a solid HS team that way but have some A+ Kids who play for big clubs like T91 etc because you ain't getting a skin from a HS game. They build a solid team, probably best town team until now as if MT Sinai 2023 with 5 T91 Bandits 3 Empire A's and plenty more watch out. BBP has chance ( 1/3 Bandits Warriors ) or Conneqout until that tall guy burst his nugget. Yes it seems unfair buts that's not a bad thing. Heck there 2023/24 girls, sorry are AWFUL

LMAO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who decides which kids are A,Bor C players?

They hire evaluators to do all grades except K,1, and 2

LMAO if you see a big head down run to cage score 6 goals a game 2nd grader who's 4'11 you WIN!!! But when he's 5'6 at 6th grade and that 4'0 Stick Lax IQ hard trainer is now 5'3 and eats his lunch as tall kid turns it over over over bad shot run into three Never pass chump loses your game I always chuckle!

Maryland I agree! That's why they win usually

Three Village is not the best town team in 2023.
They grab from other towns and districts.
How many more "villages" do they grab from?
Is Belle Terre (Port Jeff school district) part of Three Village?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Three Village is not the best town team in 2023.
They grab from other towns and districts.
How many more "villages" do they grab from?
Is Belle Terre (Port Jeff school district) part of Three Village?

Yes when the kid is good.

Does 3villages A team play in the A division or do they play in the B division like Northports A team so they can win all the games and say they are the best?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Three Village has children try out and get ranked. A.B.C- A players who want to play pal and travel with the team play A. B players who want to play pal and travel with the team play for the b team. C players who want to play pal and travel with the team play together. If your child is an A player and wants to play club, he can not play out and play on the A team.
If your child is a B player and wants to play A- well the tourney selection is up to the coaches. Every year they evaluate and every year there are changes.

They actually build a solid HS team that way but have some A+ Kids who play for big clubs like T91 etc because you ain't getting a skin from a HS game. They build a solid team, probably best town team until now as if MT Sinai 2023 with 5 T91 Bandits 3 Empire A's and plenty more watch out. BBP has chance ( 1/3 Bandits Warriors ) or Conneqout until that tall guy burst his nugget. Yes it seems unfair buts that's not a bad thing. Heck there 2023/24 girls, sorry are AWFUL

So it's unfair, but that's NOT a bad thing? Wow, tells me there are a LOT of IDIOTS in those three villages!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They actually build a solid HS team that way but have some A+ Kids who play for big clubs like T91 etc because you ain't getting a skin from a HS game. They build a solid team, probably best town team until now as if MT Sinai 2023 with 5 T91 Bandits 3 Empire A's and plenty more watch out. BBP has chance ( 1/3 Bandits Warriors ) or Conneqout until that tall guy burst his nugget. Yes it seems unfair buts that's not a bad thing. Heck there 2023/24 girls, sorry are AWFUL

Do you carry a clipboard when you scout 6th graders?

And who is the tall guy and what on earth happened to his nugget?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They actually build a solid HS team that way but have some A+ Kids who play for big clubs like T91 etc because you ain't getting a skin from a HS game. They build a solid team, probably best town team until now as if MT Sinai 2023 with 5 T91 Bandits 3 Empire A's and plenty more watch out. BBP has chance ( 1/3 Bandits Warriors ) or Conneqout until that tall guy burst his nugget. Yes it seems unfair buts that's not a bad thing. Heck there 2023/24 girls, sorry are AWFUL

Do you carry a clipboard when you scout 6th graders?

And who is the tall guy and what on earth happened to his nugget?

Can't make this stuff up... The sad part is, he's serious.

Funny that only 3 bandits live in Mt Sinai. I guess good old Joenis back at it again with the waivers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny that only 3 bandits live in Mt Sinai. I guess good old Joenis back at it again with the waivers

Clipboard guy has his info and counts wrong. Stop encouraging him

Why have a PAL "A" team when there is no longer an A division? PAL did a two year experiment a few years back to combat this and said fine, if you are going to field an A team then you have to play in the Select division. Funny thing was, a bunch of towns that had an A team didn't play in that Select division, they trolled in the 2nd division. Because of this they abandoned the Select division. So now your mighty A team probably romps the three manhasset, three Gc etc. teams that are split evenly and still play in the top division. Whats the point of that? (the towns that supported that select division were WM, WI, SWR, CSH, GC, Manhasset, LV and Northport Massapequa). Long Beach, Farmingdale and some other towns with only 1 team or A teams hid in D2...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why have a PAL "A" team when there is no longer an A division? PAL did a two year experiment a few years back to combat this and said fine, if you are going to field an A team then you have to play in the Select division. Funny thing was, a bunch of towns that had an A team didn't play in that Select division, they trolled in the 2nd division. Because of this they abandoned the Select division. So now your mighty A team probably romps the three manhasset, three Gc etc. teams that are split evenly and still play in the top division. Whats the point of that? (the towns that supported that select division were WM, WI, SWR, CSH, GC, Manhasset, LV and Northport Massapequa). Long Beach, Farmingdale and some other towns with only 1 team or A teams hid in D2...

What age group are we talking about here?

PAL did this for 5th and 6th grade for 22,21,20 age groups but then reverted back to its current state across the board--most towns put forth equal teams, but then the few that have an A team like 3vil rip through PAL... Pal was attempting to put a structure forth to accomodate those that felt they just had to have an A team but ultimately it wasn't supported enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL did this for 5th and 6th grade for 22,21,20 age groups but then reverted back to its current state across the board--most towns put forth equal teams, but then the few that have an A team like 3vil rip through PAL... Pal was attempting to put a structure forth to accomodate those that felt they just had to have an A team but ultimately it wasn't supported enough.

Who HAS to have an A team?

So are there different divisions? If there is no longer an A, is there still a B and C?

There was a Select division for teams that put forth an A team (determined via tryout). Now its masked Div 1,2,3,4 but not a specific division for town select teams.

No one HAS to have an A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PAL did this for 5th and 6th grade for 22,21,20 age groups but then reverted back to its current state across the board--most towns put forth equal teams, but then the few that have an A team like 3vil rip through PAL... Pal was attempting to put a structure forth to accomodate those that felt they just had to have an A team but ultimately it wasn't supported enough.

Did I miss something or are you guys making assumptions about 3V?

3rd Grade A Div: 3V is 2-4
4th Grade A Div: 3V is 1-4
5th Grade A Div: No team in Suffolk. They thunk they're special.
6th Grade A Div: 3V is 2-1-2
7-8th Grade A Div: 3V is 4-2

Does that sound like a town that's ripping through PAL? They are average to below average on every level when compared to other A division teams.

They are not sandbagging or trying to beat up on anyone. You're all nuts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There was a Select division for teams that put forth an A team (determined via tryout). Now its masked Div 1,2,3,4 but not a specific division for town select teams.

No one HAS to have an A team.

Well the post above states the following, and I quote: "Pal was attempting to put a structure forth to accomodate those that felt they just had to have an A team but ultimately it wasn't supported enough" So the question remains, who has to have an A team?

But I thought Three Village was a top level "travel" team that could compete with the clubs? Guess that dispels that myth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why have a PAL "A" team when there is no longer an A division? PAL did a two year experiment a few years back to combat this and said fine, if you are going to field an A team then you have to play in the Select division. Funny thing was, a bunch of towns that had an A team didn't play in that Select division, they trolled in the 2nd division. Because of this they abandoned the Select division. So now your mighty A team probably romps the three manhasset, three Gc etc. teams that are split evenly and still play in the top division. Whats the point of that? (the towns that supported that select division were WM, WI, SWR, CSH, GC, Manhasset, LV and Northport Massapequa). Long Beach, Farmingdale and some other towns with only 1 team or A teams hid in D2...

You know the towns listed ALL supported a Select division or you are speculating?? I am skeptical of my town town's participation in that considering my son is in the age groups mentioned, and their PAL teams were never consistently beating up on anybody before, during , or after this (I don't remember them ever being much above .500), and we never had multiple teams at these age groups (or any others, for that matter).

Would be nice to have a True A division and play island wide for boys and girls. Most people drive all summer long up and down the East Coast to play the same teams. PAL in Nassau and Suffolk could get enough teams to do it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would be nice to have a True A division and play island wide for boys and girls. Most people drive all summer long up and down the East Coast to play the same teams. PAL in Nassau and Suffolk could get enough teams to do it.

Yup, this way you get to save 2200 bucks. And the high school coach can drive the bus. And the trainer would be there to break down the game. And the certified qualified coach would be fully immersed. Stop being cheap and play club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would be nice to have a True A division and play island wide for boys and girls. Most people drive all summer long up and down the East Coast to play the same teams. PAL in Nassau and Suffolk could get enough teams to do it.

Yup, this way you get to save 2200 bucks. And the high school coach can drive the bus. And the trainer would be there to break down the game. And the certified qualified coach would be fully immersed. Stop being cheap and play club.

The True A Division? It doesn't exist because the skill levels and talent pools in different towns and school districts are all over the map. Some of these teams would be loaded with club kids, some not as many. I second the sentiment of the poster above, Stop being so cheap and play club.

How about we create a league, make it all inclusive to keep our kids off the street and doing something positive. How about we ensure that the kids have an enjoyable experience and we make it about FUN and not necessarily about winning. Wait a minute......that's PAL. Hmmmmmm.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about we create a league, make it all inclusive to keep our kids off the street and doing something positive. How about we ensure that the kids have an enjoyable experience and we make it about FUN and not necessarily about winning. Wait a minute......that's PAL. Hmmmmmm.

Keep our kids off the street? Where do we live? Compton? Not a lot of kids playing lacrosse that their alternative would be in a gang.

Does anyone think something like Casey Powell's Speed Lacrosse will ever become a thing on LI? Looks like it's branded to more beginners.

Originally Posted by meco24

Does anyone think something like Casey Powell's Speed Lacrosse will ever become a thing on LI? Looks like it's branded to more beginners.

My son played it and raved about how much fun he had running and gunning . He also loves box and there are sure similarities I hope it catches on.

What tournaments this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by meco24

Does anyone think something like Casey Powell's Speed Lacrosse will ever become a thing on LI? Looks like it's branded to more beginners.

My son played it and raved about how much fun he had running and gunning . He also loves box and there are sure similarities I hope it catches on.

I like the no coach / parents rule. Was that enforced / complied with?

"No Coaches - The Official Court Guard will enforce the rules and coach both teams when needed. All parents shall refrain from screaming at anyone or be subject to removal."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about we create a league, make it all inclusive to keep our kids off the street and doing something positive. How about we ensure that the kids have an enjoyable experience and we make it about FUN and not necessarily about winning. Wait a minute......that's PAL. Hmmmmmm.

Keep our kids off the street? Where do we live? Compton? Not a lot of kids playing lacrosse that their alternative would be in a gang.

Yup, because heroin is NOT a problem in Long Island. Must be pretty deep hole in the ground you bury your head in friend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What tournaments this weekend?

Blatant Spring Jam
A division is Igloo A, Outlaws Select, Tornadoes and SYAG Select
B division is Express Hedstrom and White, Igloo b, 3V Gold, Brooklyn Crescents, Bombers East End, Force and Outlaws Gold.

Should be a fun day of lax.

Originally Posted by meco24

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by meco24

Does anyone think something like Casey Powell's Speed Lacrosse will ever become a thing on LI? Looks like it's branded to more beginners.

My son played it and raved about how much fun he had running and gunning . He also loves box and there are sure similarities I hope it catches on.

I like the no coach / parents rule. Was that enforced / complied with?

"No Coaches - The Official Court Guard will enforce the rules and coach both teams when needed. All parents shall refrain from screaming at anyone or be subject to removal."

Funny that you mention that because rather than get ejected, I left him there and went and had a quiet cup of coffee!!!!!

Glad Syag moved to A. They deserve it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by meco24

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by meco24

Does anyone think something like Casey Powell's Speed Lacrosse will ever become a thing on LI? Looks like it's branded to more beginners.

My son played it and raved about how much fun he had running and gunning . He also loves box and there are sure similarities I hope it catches on.

I like the no coach / parents rule. Was that enforced / complied with?

"No Coaches - The Official Court Guard will enforce the rules and coach both teams when needed. All parents shall refrain from screaming at anyone or be subject to removal."

Funny that you mention that because rather than get ejected, I left him there and went and had a quiet cup of coffee!!!!!

If my son does this I'm going to bring binoculars and fit him with an earpiece. :-)

Speed lacrosse is awesome. Long Island is run by Tim Byrnes a Cuse All American from Baldwin. Took my son and he had a great time playing with all different ranges and boys and girls. So much more touches for every kid plus no equipment to worry about. Starting to do variations of this for my PAL and already getting more kids than we ever had

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speed lacrosse is awesome. Long Island is run by Tim Byrnes a Cuse All American from Baldwin. Took my son and he had a great time playing with all different ranges and boys and girls. So much more touches for every kid plus no equipment to worry about. Starting to do variations of this for my PAL and already getting more kids than we ever had

Good to know!

HVLAX has a big meeting we're going to tonight. The whole program is a sh*t show. Horrible culture and the town has suffered because of this. Can't wait to rip into the board for screwing up the development of the boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HVLAX has a big meeting we're going to tonight. The whole program is a sh*t show. Horrible culture and the town has suffered because of this. Can't wait to rip into the board for screwing up the development of the boys.

Remember this: "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. " What will you do for your program?

Its the individuals we have coaching here in Huntington, NOT the board. Some bad eggs in the ranks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HVLAX has a big meeting we're going to tonight. The whole program is a sh*t show. Horrible culture and the town has suffered because of this. Can't wait to rip into the board for screwing up the development of the boys.

Remember this: "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. " What will you do for your program?

Burn it down. Restart with a real leadership team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HVLAX has a big meeting we're going to tonight. The whole program is a sh*t show. Horrible culture and the town has suffered because of this. Can't wait to rip into the board for screwing up the development of the boys.

Remember this: "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. " What will you do for your program?

Burn it down. Restart with a real leadership team.

Will you be part of that team? Will you grab a whistle and a clip board? What contribution will you offer?

JR does a great job for HVLax . You have a great program. Never heard anything negative

Does anyone know of a summer league for town teams? Eastern/central-east Suffolk?

Yeah, it's for all the soccer kids that can't play lacrosse!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know of a summer league for town teams? Eastern/central-east Suffolk?

My son played at East Islip Marina and Tanner park in Copiague a couple years ago. Both nice places and no real issues.

East Islip Summer League is looking for teams. They play down by the marina

Said the fat [lacrosse] looser that couldn't run a half lap around the field but wears all the lax gear and yells on the side line. A1/4 of my kids, including mine,play travel. Was looking to keep the stick in the other kids hands and grow the team. My son likes playing lax with his friends and want to provide an affordable program that might spark a 3rd graders interest in the sport.

Thanks. Does anyone have contact info?

Now that the weather is nice I guess we will start seeing the shoeless coach again😜Hopefully his assistants don't get thrown out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that the weather is nice I guess we will start seeing the shoeless coach again😜Hopefully his assistants don't get thrown out

Let me guess So your team got beat and he made you look like a fool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that the weather is nice I guess we will start seeing the shoeless coach again😜Hopefully his assistants don't get thrown out

Were you at my game today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that the weather is nice I guess we will start seeing the shoeless coach again😜Hopefully his assistants don't get thrown out

Were you at my game today?

Typical south shore trash

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that the weather is nice I guess we will start seeing the shoeless coach again😜Hopefully his assistants don't get thrown out

Were you at my game today?

I don't think so, I didn't see any adults playing!! but waiting for my sons team to take the field, I did see a shoeless coach on one team ( who looked like an A$$) and 2 coaches from another that needed diapers!!!

Baymanli@optonline.net

There was a guy from Franklin Square today at my sons game coaching with no shoes on.

That's a great idea
You can't get too mad when
You are walking barefoot in the grads

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that the weather is nice I guess we will start seeing the shoeless coach again😜Hopefully his assistants don't get thrown out

Were you at my game today?

Typical south shore trash

what team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that the weather is nice I guess we will start seeing the shoeless coach again😜Hopefully his assistants don't get thrown out

Were you at my game today?

Typical south shore trash

HAHA, thanks north Shore snob, just remember when you're at that big time NYC job, your lady is with the carpenter/plumber from the South Shore, you understand what I'm implying right? By the way the whale shirt looks great on you!

Yesterday I watched a 6th grade PAL game. Apparently one of the coaches became so upset with his team that he kicked & actually knocked over his teams bench. This is not the NCAA playoffs - it is PAL and nobody cares about the score. There are no standings, or awards this should be instructional & fun for these kids. I guess the coach was trying to fire up his team- by intimidation- but only made himself look like a fool. This stupid behavior does not set a good example for these kids. Coach looks like he could benefit with some therapy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yesterday I watched a 6th grade PAL game. Apparently one of the coaches became so upset with his team that he kicked & actually knocked over his teams bench. This is not the NCAA playoffs - it is PAL and nobody cares about the score. There are no standings, or awards this should be instructional & fun for these kids. I guess the coach was trying to fire up his team- by intimidation- but only made himself look like a fool. This stupid behavior does not set a good example for these kids. Coach looks like he could benefit with some therapy.

PAL is the Super Bowl for some of these Lax DADS/Coaches..
Their kid cant cut it in the Travel world so he runs his kid to death in PAL hoping their will be a glimmer of hope that maybe the 11th time trying to dodge from X he can squeeze one in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yesterday I watched a 6th grade PAL game. Apparently one of the coaches became so upset with his team that he kicked & actually knocked over his teams bench. This is not the NCAA playoffs - it is PAL and nobody cares about the score. There are no standings, or awards this should be instructional & fun for these kids. I guess the coach was trying to fire up his team- by intimidation- but only made himself look like a fool. This stupid behavior does not set a good example for these kids. Coach looks like he could benefit with some therapy.

What town was it?

maybe he cant afford shoes because all his funds go to support his addiction to club lacrosse, or possible that he just enjoys nature? Nah ill go with the club lacrosse addiction makes for better TV.

Does "shoeless" coach where blue and gray with a lightening bolt on his shirt?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does "shoeless" coach where blue and gray with a lightening bolt on his shirt?

Not sure but do you know how to spell?? Get off BOTC and read a book dummy! Figure out what you did wrong, then post it three times on BOTC. (reading is fundamental) STUPID

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yesterday I watched a 6th grade PAL game. Apparently one of the coaches became so upset with his team that he kicked & actually knocked over his teams bench. This is not the NCAA playoffs - it is PAL and nobody cares about the score. There are no standings, or awards this should be instructional & fun for these kids. I guess the coach was trying to fire up his team- by intimidation- but only made himself look like a fool. This stupid behavior does not set a good example for these kids. Coach looks like he could benefit with some therapy.

PAL is the Super Bowl for some of these Lax DADS/Coaches..
Their kid cant cut it in the Travel world so he runs his kid to death in PAL hoping their will be a glimmer of hope that maybe the 11th time trying to dodge from X he can squeeze one in.

Could'nt agree more. This coach should do the right thing & apologize to the kids on this team for his embarrassing behavior and in the future if he can't control his emotions stay at home.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yesterday I watched a 6th grade PAL game. Apparently one of the coaches became so upset with his team that he kicked & actually knocked over his teams bench. This is not the NCAA playoffs - it is PAL and nobody cares about the score. There are no standings, or awards this should be instructional & fun for these kids. I guess the coach was trying to fire up his team- by intimidation- but only made himself look like a fool. This stupid behavior does not set a good example for these kids. Coach looks like he could benefit with some therapy.

PAL is the Super Bowl for some of these Lax DADS/Coaches..
Their kid cant cut it in the Travel world so he runs his kid to death in PAL hoping their will be a glimmer of hope that maybe the 11th time trying to dodge from X he can squeeze one in.

Could'nt agree more. This coach should do the right thing & apologize to the kids on this team for his embarrassing behavior and in the future if he can't control his emotions stay at home.

Yup club parents are way classier.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yesterday I watched a 6th grade PAL game. Apparently one of the coaches became so upset with his team that he kicked & actually knocked over his teams bench. This is not the NCAA playoffs - it is PAL and nobody cares about the score. There are no standings, or awards this should be instructional & fun for these kids. I guess the coach was trying to fire up his team- by intimidation- but only made himself look like a fool. This stupid behavior does not set a good example for these kids. Coach looks like he could benefit with some therapy.

Bethpage?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yesterday I watched a 6th grade PAL game. Apparently one of the coaches became so upset with his team that he kicked & actually knocked over his teams bench. This is not the NCAA playoffs - it is PAL and nobody cares about the score. There are no standings, or awards this should be instructional & fun for these kids. I guess the coach was trying to fire up his team- by intimidation- but only made himself look like a fool. This stupid behavior does not set a good example for these kids. Coach looks like he could benefit with some therapy.

PAL is the Super Bowl for some of these Lax DADS/Coaches..
Their kid cant cut it in the Travel world so he runs his kid to death in PAL hoping their will be a glimmer of hope that maybe the 11th time trying to dodge from X he can squeeze one in.

You write like a moron.

Duly noted.

Where >>>wear
Where>>>>wear
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I can assure you it was an attention to detail issue not intellect. I read vigorously and hold an Ivy league Undergrad and Masters degree. But thank you for pointing out my error even if it was in such an obnoxious manner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duly noted.

Where >>>wear
Where>>>>wear
Where>>>wear

I can assure you it was an attention to detail issue not intellect. I read vigorously and hold an Ivy league Undergrad and Masters degree. But thank you for pointing out my error even if it was in such an obnoxious manner.

Well, I feel like quite the heel, you are very polite. Sorry, I guess, jeez dude, you sure know how to make a fella feel like crap.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duly noted.

Where >>>wear
Where>>>>wear
Where>>>wear

I can assure you it was an attention to detail issue not intellect. I read vigorously and hold an Ivy league Undergrad and Masters degree. But thank you for pointing out my error even if it was in such an obnoxious manner.

Well, I feel like quite the heel, you are very polite. Sorry, I guess, jeez dude, you sure know how to make a fella feel like crap.

Gotta love the grammar police on this site..

Who is the new leadership you propose for HVLAX?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is the new leadership you propose for HVLAX?

Dave Marone would be an awesome choice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yesterday I watched a 6th grade PAL game. Apparently one of the coaches became so upset with his team that he kicked & actually knocked over his teams bench. This is not the NCAA playoffs - it is PAL and nobody cares about the score. There are no standings, or awards this should be instructional & fun for these kids. I guess the coach was trying to fire up his team- by intimidation- but only made himself look like a fool. This stupid behavior does not set a good example for these kids. Coach looks like he could benefit with some therapy.

That was probably the West Islip coach.

Where are the tournaments this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the tournaments this weekend.

Foxboro, Ma.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the tournaments this weekend.

Foxboro, Ma.

Any in Nassau?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the tournaments this weekend.

Foxboro, Ma.

Any in Nassau?

You get the joke right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the tournaments this weekend.

Foxboro, Ma.

Any in Nassau?

No, next weekend is JDRF

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the tournaments this weekend.

Foxboro, Ma.

Any in Nassau?

You get the joke right?

You stumbled on to a joke that isn't a joke! If you are crazy enough, there is a youth tournament in Foxboro associated with the NCAA. Its an invitational (if you are willing to pay, you get invited).

thx god PAL is over!!!!!!!!!! next year pass!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

thx god PAL is over!!!!!!!!!! next year pass!!!!!

Couldn't agree more!

Thank you PAL for abandoning Festivus.

I just coached my last PAL game EVER
Thank goodness

Hoping to work with Suffolk next year and create a bracket for the teams closer to Nas/Suff border. Between the certification requirements next year and BS brackets in nassau looks like we are done.

Heard a crazy ridiculous story about the Hills 2025 PAL coach who's kid plays on 91. He has been benching kids this season because apparently going undefeated in PAL against teams that have evenly split squads is very important. Telling his son to go to goal on every possession. What a clown...

I honestly will miss coaching. Yesterday was my last game, and to me PAL was more about getting the kids involved who don't play travel. It was a battle at times to put a kid who wasn't as good when the game was on the line just to make sure everyone played. To me PAL is more about getting the new players caught up, and let the more established players have fun.

What are the alternatives?

No, PAL is for the coaches kids and their friends to get plenty of playing time!

Hills through the grades at PAL is a bunch of morons. Believe me, it starts in 1st grade where they are loathe to institute a 1 pass rule to get other kids involved. Just want to see there kid with the ball--its why they never win when they get older...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hills through the grades at PAL is a bunch of morons. Believe me, it starts in 1st grade where they are loathe to institute a 1 pass rule to get other kids involved. Just want to see there kid with the ball--its why they never win when they get older...

So let me get this straight. Teaching the kids to pass in first grade before directly going to the cage is a recipe for bad coaching?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hills through the grades at PAL is a bunch of morons. Believe me, it starts in 1st grade where they are loathe to institute a 1 pass rule to get other kids involved. Just want to see there kid with the ball--its why they never win when they get older...

They were in the county semi-finals this year. Not saying it's the championship but I wouldn't necessarily call it not winning.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, PAL is for the coaches kids and their friends to get plenty of playing time!

Farmingdale follows that path....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard a crazy ridiculous story about the Hills 2025 PAL coach who's kid plays on 91. He has been benching kids this season because apparently going undefeated in PAL against teams that have evenly split squads is very important. Telling his son to go to goal on every possession. What a clown...

and the quest for the perfect season is unfortunately ended at Rockville Centre with a tie.

My son plays for that hills team. It is split into east and west NOT A and B. That coach does not bench kids to win. Everyone cycles through the lines . You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for that hills team. It is split into east and west NOT A and B. That coach does not bench kids to win. Everyone cycles through the lines . You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

That guys another disgruntled Blast parent trying to rip the coach. What a loser

That hills coach that is such a "clown" took two kids with special needs on his team that another town said no to because they were "too competitive". If your son played for him you would know that he told the kids before the game that he didn't care about going undefeated, and that they played that game to win because they dedicated that game to Ray Pfeiffer, the FDNY lieutenant who died over Memorial Day weekend. The only clown is anyone who talks crap when they know nothing.

Jealousy is the greatest form of flattery!

Love,
The Hills Lax Coaches

Said the guy who has no idea what he is talking about

In first grade, yes you have to encourage passing other wise the game will come down to my best guy vs. your best guy (usually the coaches sons) and the ball is their sticks the whole game and no one else touches it. This is fact, not conjecture. I'm a coach, not a disgruntled parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, PAL is for the coaches kids and their friends to get plenty of playing time!

Farmingdale follows that path....

So does Wantagh.

Some parents don't understand when our kid is on a fast break down the middle passing to your kid on attack who happens to be guarding the defensemen isn't the best move. That same coaches kid gets thrown on D and in goal because no one else volunteers. He gets hacked to crap because the other team doubles him because your kid doesn't understand to cut when someone is driving towards him. You don't understand when we are working on these very things in practice your kid is goofing off in the back. He is only pretends to like lax because you and his brother love it. His main goal in a game is to get in and out without making a mistake that you are going to yell at him about. That is why when it his turn in the rotation he slides back to the end of the line. Sorry for those that it offend but I promise most coaches wish they didn't have to coach their kids. I also understand there are dad's coaching that only do so to control their kids playing time. It is the reason why I volunteer every year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some parents don't understand when our kid is on a fast break down the middle passing to your kid on attack who happens to be guarding the defensemen isn't the best move. That same coaches kid gets thrown on D and in goal because no one else volunteers. He gets hacked to crap because the other team doubles him because your kid doesn't understand to cut when someone is driving towards him. You don't understand when we are working on these very things in practice your kid is goofing off in the back. He is only pretends to like lax because you and his brother love it. His main goal in a game is to get in and out without making a mistake that you are going to yell at him about. That is why when it his turn in the rotation he slides back to the end of the line. Sorry for those that it offend but I promise most coaches wish they didn't have to coach their kids. I also understand there are dad's coaching that only do so to control their kids playing time. It is the reason why I volunteer every year

It simply comes down to if you don't like your pal team or how the league is run then go elsewhere or get involved and advocate for change. If that doesn't work at least you made an effort..

Sounds like this Hills Coach has a bit of a complex.. hahaha

Did you pick up your trophy for winning almost all your games in PAL this season. Oh that's right there are no trophies in PAL 4th grade lax.. Your the best coach, you know that in your heart even without the trophy..

PaOriginally Posted by Anonymous
Some parents don't understand when our kid is on a fast break down the middle passing to your kid on attack who happens to be guarding the defensemen isn't the best move. That same coaches kid gets thrown on D and in goal because no one else volunteers. He gets hacked to garbage because the other team doubles him because your kid doesn't understand to cut when someone is driving towards him. You don't understand when we are working on these very things in practice your kid is goofing off in the back. He is only pretends to like lax because you and his brother love it. His main goal in a game is to get in and out without making a mistake that you are going to yell at him about. That is why when it his turn in the rotation he slides back to the end of the line. Sorry for those that it offend but I promise most coaches wish they didn't have to coach their kids. I also understand there are dad's coaching that only do so to control their kids playing time. It is the reason why I volunteer every year

It simply comes down to if you don't like your pal team or how the league is run then go elsewhere or get involved and advocate for change. If that doesn't work at least you made an effort..

Point well made but unfortunately much easier to [ChillLaxin] and complain on this forum of higher learning than to try to make any real change