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Notre Dame loses to Stanford 12-10. Wow that's crazy!!!!! West Coast team beats the Irish. What the heck happened.

Stony Brook defense stifles USC. 7-4 final

Nice! Go LI!

Stony Brook didn't get much love in the pre season rankings

Because According to the media now JS does not and will not lose because he hates defeat !
He is comparable to urban Meyer in the lacrosse world !

Lol. Urban Meyer? Lol again. That's funny!!!

Don't embarrass yourself with that statement.

JS is an egotistical obnoxious narcissist.
That's why they get no love.

Carol Rose did a decent job putting together a team at Yellow Jacket University A.K.A. Stony Brook. I would not judge YJU based on beating U.S.C. because U.S.C. has a faulty Offense that is easy to defend against, it's more like a hockey attack with an attacker sitting on top of the crease. Thats like letting the D have a second goalie. Even when a player did get a step on there defender the crease defender was right there to pick her up.

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Ranked in the top 20. This season will be very telling. They finally play a top 20 schedule. Let's see how they do against the top programs..they got spanked by the Gators and Orange last year. Playing ND, Buckeyes this year and some others. I wish them luck. Also, playing Hofstra is good for Girls Lax on LI. Results will be bad for the Pride but nice for a LI rivalry.

Let's not forget the lady Jaspers only a hope skip and jump off the island.

That defense is called a backer defense. Geez, watch much womens lacrosse??

The shots at SB carol Rose and JS smells very Hofstra/Topguns
It's great for LI for SB and Hofstra to win games vs BIG conference schools

USC offense that is faulty did somehow score 12 goals vs Northwestern. If that's faulty

I know what a backer D is, I I'm glad someone taught you what it was, but that had nothing to do with the post, nor was YJU's defense even mentioned in the post in that manner. Backer D or not if the Attacking girl isn't sitting on the crease like a drain stop, than neither is her defender without being called for 3 Seconds. No less than 5 times does a USC attacker beat there defender with what would normally be a clear shot to the goal, only to be stopped by areas attackers defender. Since you think you know so much about a backer D than yo know it will not work against the Terps, 'cause, N.W.U. as UNC will attest to. Shannon was able to beat it as was Schwartzman, and Tumolo. Essentially speaking USC beat themselves.

I actually have seen this defense at SB work really well against duke and Maryland multiple times but struggle vs Florida so your theory s off to some regard. Didn't see yesterday's game but sounds like the whole purpose of playing that style D worked perfectly. I think it's great a school like SB beats USC especially if you remember where SB was four years ago

That's a great point USC offensive philosophy clogged up the inside making SBs day easy.

I don't know how you could say it worked when you weren't there. I am telling you that USC was able to get past the double that occurs with the backer D, there problem was in there own offensive scheme. If you go back to my original post I stated that USC played a hockey type of attack where the planted an attacker, sometimes 2, in front of the crease which also planted a defender in front of the crease. When the attacker was able to break the double and have a clear path to goal they ran into the crease defender. IMO, if the crease attacker was to clear out beyond the 8 and leave the arc clear there shooters would have had better chances. I will say that YJU's backer was able to cause bad cross field passes that got picked multiple times. only on 1 occasion was USC able to achieve the desired effect of that type of attack ( a quick stick shot from a feed down low) but the crease girl missed the feed. I don't know when Mr. Carol Rose clone was ever successful against Duke (a 8-9 home loss in his first year) or Maryland ( a 21-7 loss his first year and a 8-3 home loss and a 11-3 loss in his second) but in college lacrosse that is not successful.

Ahhh bitter mr TG Bayshore Paying lots of money to go to USC to get outplayed and out coached. And holding duke to 9 and Maryland to 8 while I didn't see those games seems like a good defensive game. we ARE talking defense not overall result vs those powerhouses. after all this is YOUR point stick to your point. I think UNC would of liked only letting up 8 or 11 today vs Maryland. Hey at least you beat Marist .good college on LI is great for LI

Not sure why your so twisted about SB success they have been in the NCAA's and won tournament games the past two years after never being close. It's great for our young girls to be able to go to college games and see great lacrosse. If your upset with USC coaching philosophy I'm suuuure you can give Lindsay Munday some advice. Can't be mad that SB shut down USC approach

LI lacrosse The Best!

Typical low class Yellow Jacket parent. No my daughter never played for Top Guns, nor does she go to USC, nor do I live in Bay Shore. I can't see how a total of 21 points against 49 given up is successful. Yeah it's nice to see a L.I. team get into the tournament, but in true Y.J. fashion your bragging when it's mostly smoke and mirrors. I remember not to long ago seeing Y.J. parents dismiss Towson as a second rate school with a second rate program, and that may be true, but YJU is just as second rate, mainly because Towson is the only team YJU has been able to beat in tourney, Being dispatched by the real best team in N.Y. last year and Maryland twice. I'll be a lot happier with Mr. Yellow Jacket when he takes any player from Long Island that isn't from his master C.R. Please don't give me that crap about Y.J. having the best players, all clubs have good players, believe it or not even clubs from outside L.I.

This is NOT a Yellow Jacket thread.
This is the 2015 NCAA Womens Lacrosse thread.

Everything ends up being a YJ thread... Sad, but true...you'll get it eventually...

Seriously ? Stony Brook was supposed to win that game and they did. Neither offense looked sharp, think the 20 something degree weather had anything to do with it. That being said USC just does not have the athletes or seasoned lacrosse players that SB does at this point, they have a kid who did not play lax until she got into college starting( great athlete from the soccer team but not exactly a lacrosse player).Too funny you think you can draw up a game plan better than the USC coaches who are all world class lacrosse players.

Kinda like a nasty virus. You'll get it eventually...and can't wait for it to go away.

I wonder if you were at that game? If you weren't , before you publicly state that I'm not as good as anybody watch the game to see if I'm right. Just because She is a coach doesn't make her good, and just because I'm not doesn't make me wrong. Look at the Seahawks in the Super Bowl as an example of a coach doing the wrong thing at the highest level.

It's important to have two local schools (Stony Brook and Hofstra) be strong lacrosse programs because of LI's deep talent and lacrosse history. Neither program is top tier elite at this point and will not unless they attract great players from other parts of the country. Stony Brook doesn't have the academic status that many schools can offer a student athlete; in fact Hofstra might be in a
better position academically.

As long as Stony Brook gets some excellent local talent they will always compete, especially in their conference, which is not a great conference. So making the playoffs each year should not be hard. Ultimately it is the depth of their roster that hurts them.

What hurts S.B. is J.S. and his refusal to recruit from any other source.You are correct being on L.I. and pool that he has to pull from he should win his conference seeing as it's not strong, but with that being said S.B. making tournament is no monumental task

You have no idea what you are talking about, academic status ? Hofstra is not close to having the academic status of Stony Brook. Feel free to look at any legit ranking and Hofstra not near top 100 University. Academically Stony Brook is miles ahead of Hofstra.

Do you actually think he refuses to recruit from any other source? If you are a good player he does not care what club you play for , as a matter of fact his most likely top recruit thus far did not play travel at all.

What are you talking about? He did take a non YJ player from LI. The first 2018 TG recruit is going to SB. Maybe she's a spy infiltrating the evil YJ/SB empire.

You say it seems like a good defensive game holding duke to 9 and MD to 8. Then you admit to not seeing game. Well thats obvious because it certainly was not their defense that held those teams to low score wins. It was a brutal to watch offensive stall to slow the game down so they didnt get smoked. You can add in same tactic to florida or any other true top 20 team they face. By avoiding big score differential losses, it appears to some they can hang with the top programs, in reality they cannot. Not bashing, just helping you understand what is going on. Not a fan at all of this offensive stall, especially when the team stalling is losing. The teams that scheduled against them are not happy with this tactic either

the first in 3 years, every girl except 1 on the roster now came from Y.J.,

UA all American Top gun kid heading to SB next year from Hauppaugue HS. Next theory please

Sb's top player was heading to Adelphi w JS and followed him to SB she never played travel just HS. You can hate on SB and JS truth is that program was the bottom of the barrel in D1 before. This is according to SB website his 4th year which would give him roughly 2 recruiting classes of his own recruits. The turnaround has been refreshing on LI. Hopefully SS gets Hofstra going as well be great for our kids to have great local programs. We should all want that

Man Carol must be pissed. Don't know why this fact pisses you Y.J. people off so much, isn't this exactly what you "better" people wanted, a college team 90%+ of Y.J's. hows that a bad thing

The more you post the more your ignorance shows.

Nobody cares

want to watch something funny

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/photos-no-16-stony-brook-downs-usc-7-4/30984

Looked pretty good to me and if inside lacrosse is sending people to cover SB must look good to them Thanks for the link not enough of this for women's lacrosse

The one exception is from MD (1),FL (1) or NJ (2)??? Which color YJ team did the others play for? Girl from Hills played for Team Hills/91 as well...

Please stop the madness!!! JS is going to take anyone that will help him and SBU win. Would he love to win a National Championship with only LI talent, sure... If not, he will take whomever helps him win! Winning helps him sell himself and the program.

If/when he leaves, he will take some of those same players with him if he can!

Can't everyone just root for successful LI colleges... it's a great way to keep some of top talent here on LI...

Don't confuse everybody with facts! So much easier to state your case when you can just make stuff up.

Stony Brook' academic status is based on a small part of the school (medical); applying for any other part of the University is not difficult. It may come in time as the SUNY system was never advertised out of state like other state university systems. What really hurts Hofstra, from a recruiting point, is where it located. As for one being miles ahead of the other, not true.

He doesn't refuse to recruit from another source but he does not emphasize recruiting outside of LI. He doesn't have to as he will always be successful in his conference with the players he gets. Stony Brook is not an easy sell to students outside the area.

At a Glance
Student Population: 11,023
Undergraduate Population: 6,893
Student to Faculty Ratioa: 14
Total Annual Costc: $54,289
In-State Tuitionc: $37,400
Out-of-State Tuitionc: $37,400
Percent on Financial Aidd: 97%
Percent Admittede: 59%
SAT Composite Rangef: 1070-1260
ACT Composite Rangef: 23-28


Forbes Lists

#451 Overall
#310 in Private Colleges
#169 in Research Universities
#155 in the Northeast

Forbes Financial Grade: C+


Real impressive bald bear , you must have Hofstra confused with some other school as their academic standing is not close to SB. I believe SB acceptance rate is in the 39% area with out of state being much more difficult.

US News & World Report has SB at number 88 nationally compared to Hofstra at number 135...I would not put them worlds apart and I would think tuition costs could play a factor in rankings (in state SB - $7.8K and Hofstra $38K). SB is a strong Math & science school and Hofstra bigger in accounting & communications. SB is a better economic choice...IMO

US News has Stony Brook #88 and Hofstra #135.

Forbes has Stony Brook at #249. SAT Composite and ACT composite skewer a bit higher, but Stony Brook has a much larger pre-med curricula than Hofstra. Forbes does not grade Stony Brook.

All I'm saying is both schools, for the student looking to play lacrosse, are comparable. The original question posed was Stony Brook's lack of recruiting outside of LI and one key is the school does is not attractive to students outside of this area. The coach knows this and recruits based on his strength, which is local girls.

Not an easy sell for LI kids either. Campus makes you feel like a foreigner in your own backyard. Not a big fan of Hofstra either. SB gets the edge due to low tuition. You can throw in Adelphi, Post, Dowling as options. No schools on LI are setting the academic or lacrosse world on fire.

On the lacrosse front, if you run a successful program, you will attract talented player. There are plenty of kids that want to stay here on LI. Parents still want to watch them play. Unfortunately, the colleges are what they are. I believe Hofstra is opening some type of medical program in the near future. It's still located where it's located... Stony Brook could help themselves by improving the overall asthetics/looks of the campus/dorms. It looks too much like an institution.

" Stony Brook doesn't have the academic status that many schools can offer a student athlete; in fact Hofstra might be in a
better position academically."

The above is why no one can take your posts seriously. When you say its a fact and are proven to be completely wrong you just act like you never said it.

Great education at SB buts its a horrible fragmented dreary campus with a very diverse mix of foreign students. If its just about education, lacrosse and price its a slam dunk. If its about a cool campus feel and life, SB isn't on the top of the list.

The big thing is that even if you only get about $7,500 for lax, you are getting a top education for less than $10k a year.

These $60,000 schools aren't coming close the affordability and education that SB offers

Is this a Stony Brook Threads or an NCAA womens Lacrosse thread? Thought there was more than on School in the NCAA>

Good point.

Wow, first not "YJ" and now this! Boring!

There's a whole world of NCAA teams and schools out there. In case you thought there was only the YJ's and Stony Brook. Give it a try. Discussing only one club and one college is BORING. Good luck.

all the s.b.u talk might have to do with it being the bigest local college in the area. if this board was in ohio the chances are that s.b.u would not be mentioned. its not all about you

That's where you are wrong, the discussion has been SB and Hofstra, YJ and TG.

It's not all about who?

If your student is going to be a doctor Stony Brook would be your choice. For the business major, communications, etc Hofstra would be your choice. Tuition is also a factor. I have help place students in many schools, including Stony Brook. It all depends on what they are planning to study. Again, we lost sight of what the thread was about (which I admit I influenced), which is the Stony Brook coach does not put much effort to recruit outside of this area. Be careful of lists--Forbes has Williams College as #1. Fantastic school but definitely not for everyone. It does have a good D3 lacrosse team in the ultra-competitive NESCAC.

Good luck to SBU (vs Drexel) and Hofstra (vs Maryland) this weekend.

If you get a chance, go see Maryland play this weekend at Hofstra, take your girls, they are truly amazing to watch live.

Girls would rather be home warm and texting, only us parents care, just like only us parents care which club color team they play on.

You couldn't be more wrong. I would think most competitive girls lax players would want to see these amazing athletes compete at the highest level.

I would lean more toward the original comment. My teenage daughter plays competitive sports year-round and has very little interest in watching others play - especially outside in the cold this time of year and when she doesn't know any of them.

Our high school playoff game got about 5 girls to watch from the youth program and the players were their COACHES!!!. I agree that only parents care. I will watch any game anywhere, my kids and their friends (even though they play very competitive sports at a high level) could care less. 90% of the kids there this weekend will be dragged by their parents

My 12year old and her friends are begging me to take them to Hofstra on Saturday.

Maryland only had attendance of 220 vs William and Mary and 1100 vs UNC.

Hofstra had 856 for their only home game and 239 and 130 at their away games.

Stony Brook vs USC had 200 people

Northwestern USC had 470 people

After football and basketball attendance falls off a cliff. If they get 1,000 people I bet they will be thrilled. We will see

If you've got nothing else going on..Go.

Not sure the town you are from, my town also went far into the playoffs (for a few years now). The youth program attended in large numbers. The players were also their coaches.

Sorry if your town dosnt follow our girls do. Lets see who goes Saturday

The 856 for hofstra a home game was combined gate w men double header
Lucky to get 500 tomorrow

Saturday, February 28, 2015

Bryant. vs. Manhattan. 1:00 pm
Coastal Carolina. vs. Jacksonville1:00 pm
Cornell. vs. Albany. 2:00 pm
Delaware. vs. Rutgers. 1:00 pm
Delaware State. vs. Wilmington. 11:00 am
Denver. vs. Louisville. 1:00 pm
Duquesne. vs. Marquette. 11:30 am
Florida. vs. Dartmouth. 1:00 pm
Georgetown. vs. Princeton. 3:00 pm
High Point. vs. UMBC. 2:00 pm
Hofstra. vs. Maryland. 1:00 pm
Holy Cross. vs. Massachusetts. 11:00 am
Howard. vs. Robert Morris. 1:00 pm
Lehigh. vs. Fairfield. 1:00 pm
Liberty. vs. Richmond. 1:00 pm
Loyola. vs. James Madison. 5:00 pm
Michigan. vs. St. Bonaventure. 4:00 pm
Monmouth. vs. Towson. 1:00 pm
Navy. vs. William & Mary. 12:00 pm
North Carolina. vs. Northwestern. 12:00 pm
Ohio State. vs. Stanford. 12:00 pm
Oregon. vs. San Diego State. 12:00 pm
Penn State. vs. Virginia. 3:00 pm
Quinnipiac. vs. Binghamton. 1:00 pm
Stony Brook. vs. Drexel. 3:00 pm
Syracuse. vs. Boston College. 12:00 pm (ESPN 3)
Temple. vs. Lafayette. 1:00 pm
Vermont. vs. Marist. 11:00 am
Villanova vs. Bucknell. 3:30 pm

Home team is listed first. Games at neutral sites are in italics.
When times are shown, they are local to the site of the game.

#6 Boston College upsets #2 Syracuse 10-9 at the Carrier Dome

#1 Maryland defeats Hofstra 14-6 at Hofstra.

A very surprising game attendance of only 297 today. That is really weak no matter how you try and spin it. A shame because Maryland is a great team

Lol. "Anonymous attendance wizard" is so concerned with the games attendance numbers. Why are you posting several times with attendance figures? How about the hard work and toughness these women show playing on this horrible weather. I agree with Hop that the girls probably do in fact want to go!! And they should.
Enough with your attendance posts dude. We all thank you.

Seriously. You know who draws crowds? Football and men's basketball. Every other collegiate sport doesn't see crowds like that. Maybe during playoffs if a team is doing well, but otherwise it isn't happening. This is why many college teams require their members to attend the sporting events of other teams at the school. Parents and friends go to these games, and sometimes some local youth programs especially if they're going to participate in some half-time event or be ball girls, then you get their family members too.

That's 297 that got to see the best women's team in the nation

To anyone that went, was Hofstra ever in it? Who would be more pleased today with their effort Maryland or Hofstra?

TEAM COMPARISON
HOFS STAT MD
19 Shots 32
14 ShOnGoal 20
6 Saves 8
11 DrawCntrls 11
0-2 FPG-FPS 5-7
11 DrawCntrls 11
22 Fouls 15
11 GrndBalls 10
13-18 Clears 20-20
15 Turnovers 12
9 Caused TOs 7


That's a cut/paste that didn't paste prettily but you can figure it out.

Looks like a good showing for Hofstra against the #1 team in the nation.

#17 Stony Brook beat unranked Drexel (1-3) 8-4 at LaValle Stadium.

Sorry powder but Hofstra was never in it. Got there about % min in and it was 4-1. As far as "The Hop" goes I don't know what a good showing is, but the Terps were up by 10 with less then 10 min. left and the Terps changed goalies, and pulled out all starters, and even with that they only put in 2. Then shot up to Stony Brook and caught the second half vs. Drexel. Very unimpressed with the "best team in N.Y" as I have read on this site. When I got there it was about 3 min. in the second S.B. up 4-1. The dragons pulled to within 3 but the Sea Wolves thuggery was able to beat any life from them. Can't wait for N.D. to hand them a bating.

Don't apologize to me, I didn't offer any commentary, only part of a box score.

My comment simply meant that statistically Hofstra was not embarrassed and was at least competitive with the #1 team in the nation. Since you admittedly don't know what a "good showing" means its that.
I appreciate your time and effort to catch these two games and report back to us. Was a Se-Port Deli sandwich part of the day at least?? I hope so, you deserve it!!

Is the Thugery comment a shot at the YJ players?

Looking forward to the SB v ND game next Tuesday night. Teams played an 8-7 game last year should be a fun local game

YJs are not in "attendance" if you know what I mean.
This is not the YJ thread. Go there to start arguments please.

Thats right Hop you are far more clever , and smarter than I . Judging by a stat sheet and all. Great showing by Hofstra

I'm glad you agree.

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If you look at the final stats/score, you may think it was a good showing, but you would be wrong. Powerhouse teams will handle blowout mis matches differently. Give credit to MD for their good sportsmanship because that game could have been 25-2 final.

To me The interesting stat above is draw controls: Taylor Cummings is a force on draws, apparently Hofstra was able to match her. I wasn't there can anyone who saw the game comment

If you look at the rest of the box score, which you can find on Hoftra's site, you will see MD subbed in their bench, so presumably TC was not taking all the draws.

Hofstra was outstanding battling MD on draw. That's said could of been a bigger blowout . Maryland was very very kind

Mark your calendars, April 21 is Hofstra vs Stony Brook, at hofstra. Should be a great local battle hopefully with warmer weather to boot.

Both programs are doing a great job of bringing relevant college lacrosse to LI. Great for our kids

AMEN to warmer weather! I am so over this snow and cold.

All of you stop it the Hop looked at the box scores and said Hofstra did well. Who do you think you are to question such a lacrosse master as he

No. 5 Duke Cruises Past Notre Dame With Ease 17-3.

Bad loss for ND!

Watctch out, if they lose to SB, they could drop from top 20.

It must be because there are only 3 YJ on roster

How many times does a big school with a coast to coast schedule fly during the season? How do the girls at a school like Northwestern do it? Seems like they might never be in class in the spring.

is there a stat to look up what HS or district has the most College D1 players.

McDonough I would guess

Was the behind the back shot by Fortunato showboating or smart? Also, in the recruiting process seems like the go to he goal/charge girls are sought out before the feeders. Thoughts?

I would agree and so would their parents especially when they back out and reset multiple times without passing. Lots of D1 coaches like selfish drivers which feeds the beast at the club level. Everyone thinks they can teach passing but going to the cage is tougher

Coaches want the players who can do both, plus play hard pressure ride/defense. There are plenty of complete package girls at the D1 level. They will also pick up those other one dimensional players and get production out of them, but obviously would prefer a player who can get it done on all fronts.

Yes, I agree. Sad, but true, and in all sports, not just lax.

Congrats to Bay Shore's Kyra Harney. Scored her second hat trick of her Freshman season!!! After lumping up Notre Dame last week and beating VATech, Duke on a roll early this season...

Saturday, March 7, 2015
D1 Womens games.


Albany. vs. Central Connecticut12:00 pm
Boston College. vs. Notre Dame1:00 pm
Boston University. vs. American1:00 pm
Brown. vs. Penn1:00 pm
Bryant. vs. Siena1:00 pm
Colgate. vs. Holy Cross12:00 pm
Connecticut. vs. Rutgers1:00 pm
Dartmouth. vs. Princeton12:00 pm
Davidson. vs. Saint Francis1:00 pm
Florida. vs. Niagara1:00 pm
Georgetown. vs. Towson3:00 pm
Harvard. vs. Columbia3:00 pm
Kennesaw State. vs. La Salle4:00 pm
Lafayette. vs. Navy1:00 pm
Louisville. vs. William & Mary1:00 pm
Loyola. vs. Penn State1:00 pm
Maryland. vs. Syracuse2:00 pm
Mercer. vs. LIU Brooklyn5:00 pm
Mount St. Mary's. vs. Furman12:00 pm
North Carolina. vs. Virginia2:30 pm
Northwestern. vs. Colorado12:00 pm
Sacred Heart. vs. Binghamton2:00 pm
Saint Joseph's. vs. Longwood12:00 pm
STONY BROOK. vs. VILLANOVA 1:00 pm ***At SB***
Winthrop. vs. Vermont1:00 pm
Yale. vs. Cornell11:00 am

Home team is listed first.

The Nike/LM Top 20 will be updated each Monday throughout the season and is determined by the staff of Lacrosse Magazine.

1 Maryland
2 Duke
3 North Carolina
4 Boston College
5 Syracuse
6 Northwestern
7 Florida
8 Virginia
9 Stanford
10 Louisville
11 Princeton
12 Penn St.
13 Ohio St.
14 Stony Brook
15 Penn
16 James Madison
17 Delaware
18 Denver
19 Massachusetts
20 Albany

When does the first top 100 ranking come out?

All schools are ranked by LaxPower.com. Go there.

what teams have LI girls helping their schools rise in the rankings

Do you really pick a school by their lacrosse ranking by some website or by their academic standings listed by Time or US News?

Laxpower is not an official ranking organization. They report the weekly IWLCA rankings and have a weekly forum poll. Some of the voters on the forum polls are extremely knowledgeable, some are complete homer kooks. They also have a computer ranking system which tries to compensate for win, loss, strength of schedule, quality wins,etc... As you know stats don't tell the story so the computer rankings are often sketchy at best. But it is a good site especially for a game by game breakdown of all relevant teams.

We all know lacrosse parents in this day and age that after paying 10 years to be on some clubs C team that their kid is going to play in college even if its $60,000 per year and at a school that you only need an 800 SAT for admission.
Get a tutor and get those grades up and then pick a top academic school

Neither

NCAA/IWLCA Womens D1 Rankings.



RA SCHOOL REC
1 Maryland (20) 5-0
2 North Carolina 6-1
3 Boston College 6-0
4 Duke 7-0
5 Florida 6-1
6 Syracuse 5-2
7 Northwestern 4-2
8 Virginia 3-3
9 Penn State 4-1
10 Princeton 4-0
11 Stanford 4-0
12 Louisville 5-0
13 Pennsylvania 4-0
14 Ohio State 6-1
15 James Madison 5-1
16 Loyola (Md.) 1-4
17 Notre Dame 3-3
18 Stony Brook 3-0
19 Delaware 5-1
20 Johns Hopkins 3-2


Also receiving votes: Massachusetts, Navy, Albany, Denver, Towson.

With all the bragging and criticizing that is done on this site about club teams and college choices I found this to be enlightening. Its Payscale.com list of best return on investment (R.O.I) of12,00 + colleges

http://www.payscale.com/college-roi/

Stony Brook 9. Notre Dame 5. FINAL

Gota say congrats to S.B. . Never thought they could do it

"You never thought ..." WHY? Notre Dame is mediocre at best. They beat Detroit, Cincinnati and California (all low tier D1) and got crushed by Duke 17-3 and Boston College 15-6. Stony Brook should have won. Especially if they want to be considered a top team.

But CR told me I should look at a school ranked 800+ hmmmm

Gotta say you must he an idiot if you never saw SB beating ND. Pay attention moron.

Forbes does a similar style ranking (or at least uses ROI as a component).

Notre Dame looks a bit lost right now. However you can't take away the effort by Stony Brook tonight. Who challenges them in their conference?

How about a shout out for the D2 & D3 rankings as well. Plenty of LI girls on these teams as well.

1 Adelphi (19) 3-0 399 1
2 Lock Haven (1) 1-0 369 2
3 Lindenwood 3-0 347 3
4 LeMoyne 3-0 328 7
5 Limestone 6-0 303 5
6 New Haven 2-0 285 6
7 Florida Southern 6-1 279 8
8 LIU-Post 2-1 267 4
9 Mercyhurst 1-1 232 9
10 St. Anslem 1-0 214 10
11 Stonehill 3-0 204 12
12 West Chester 1-0 181 13
13 Rollins 5-2 156 15
14 Queens (N.C.) 4-2 143 11
15 Regis (Colo.) 2-2 80 16
16 Dowling 2-2 70 14
17 Pfeiffer 3-2 55 17
18 Mount Olive 7-2 54 NR
19 Belmont Abbey 4-1 50 NR
20 Indiana (Pa.) 0-1 46 18
Dropped out: No. 19 Seton Hill, No. 20 Bloomsburg.

Also receiving votes: Seton Hill, Bentley, Lenoir-Rhyne, Bloomsburg, Grand Valley State, Assumption.

Franklin & Marshall (6) 4-0 374 4
T1 Gettysburg (4) 2-0 374 3
3 SUNY Cortland (9) 0-0 368 2
4 Tufts 2-0 319 6
5 Bowdoin 3-0 305 12
6 TCNJ 1-0 282 7
7 Amherst 2-1 281 1
8 Trinity (Conn.) 2-1 251 9
9 Middlebury 1-1 247 10
10 Washington & Lee 4-1 195 14
11 Colby 2-1 189 5
12 [lacrosse] 3-1 176 13
13 SUNY Geneseo 0-0 161 11
14 Catholic 2-0 157 15
15 Hamilton 3-0 127 NR
16 Salisbury 1-2 108 8
17 St. John Fisher 1-1 76 17
18 Ithaca 1-1 61 18
19 Williams 1-2 52 16
20 Stevenson 1-3 44 19
Also receiving votes: Dickinson, Mary, St. Mary's (Md.), Mount Union, Denison.

I agree feel like people on these boards want the girls that choose to play home to do poorly. Successful Long Island college play on D1D2 and D3 is great!

I went to a very good division III mens lacrosse school that would every year game scrimmage top Division 1 and often beat them or the very least play them even. There are a few DIII mens schools that fit this bill. For example if Salisbury/Cortland/Stevenson/Tufts etc played a 10-20 ranked team they would be able to compete better than a lot of the D1 level teams would

I am curious is the quality of DIII girls lacrosse the same? Could College of NJ, Salisbury, Gettysburg compete with a 10 20 ranked D1 women's team?

What about D2 Adelphi?

Yes they could. But some Parents of Girls who play in that 10 -20 range will not agree.

You might be getting ahead of yourself with the disparaging comments. Lets really take a look at what S.B. has done so far.
- A win vs. U.S.C. by 3 (7-4) , A good win over a mediocre team expected to do better, but by no way a dominating win.
-A win vs. Drexel by 4 (8-4) A team with a losing record (1-5) with a lot of tight games, and an Identical loss to Princeton the only other ranked team they played
-A convincing win vs. Villanova (13-6)
-Last nights win over a spiraling N.D.
All at home
There upcoming schedule only has 3 top 20 teams Florida, the Hop,
- 34th toughest schedule
Not exactly a powerhouse, Barely beating mediocre teams with mediocre scores makes you top of the mediocre heap, for now, lets see what happens next before we start calling each other names, and pounding our chest.

My older daughter played at Adelphi under JS and they would play top D1 teams every fall and show very well

USC has two losses SB by three and Nortwestern in OT. Nationwide scores have been low scoring due to frigid temperatures . InD1 athletics a win is a win by 1 or 20 An America East state school beating an ACC school w top talent is a great win. I don't think anyone's saying they should be #1 but it is great . I agree the name calling is ridiculous

How about shutting up! Your not that important so go away and get a new hobby. Your SB bashing makes you look like a pathetic idiot.

In D1 sports, there are no moral victories...Your record is what it says it is and you can only beat who you play.

The game would have been more lopsided if JS didn't have the girls stalling close to the restraining line the last 12 minutes. This caused them to allow two fast break goals. ND was soundly beaten on both ends of the field. ND had the edge on their fast breaks. Their settled offense was barely mediocre. Their pressure D got picked apart. SBU goalie, K.O.and T.R. were the stars of the game. The SBU team, as a whole, played a solid all around good game.

Last year the knock on SBU was their weak schedule. They have added some top teams to their schedule this year. Is it their fault the ND is having a bad year?

Nice win girls, go beat Florida and Jacksonville and shut more critics up!!!

Should SB be ranked in the top ten, no,not yet. Are they a program moving in the right direction, yes. Are they a much improved team over when JS took over, absolutely. Can that be said about any other D1 program on Long Island , no.

1- This is mot a S.B. thread so no i will not go away
2- If it was a S.B. thread I still wouldn't go away
3- You want it both ways, You call me an Idiot because I didn't know N.D. was weak this year, but then tell me that beating "soundly" is a good win. you can't have it both ways.
3- J.S. sets all non-confrence games not the NCAA. I will say USC, and ND looked like good gets when the games came out
4-Florida will be very telling, J-ville not a good game if you wan't to be brag about being one of the best.

Hofstra is better with Shannon coaching and she is attracting local talent.

Adelphi, Post and Top D3 programs could compete with D1 teams outside the top 20 and drill the teams at the bottom of D1 like LIU Brooklyn, MSM, St Francis, St Bonnie, St Mary, Stetson, Presbyterian, Kennesaw, Howard, Del State etc. Just because these girls chose to go D2 or D3 doesn't mean they weren't capable to go big time D1. Don't be a hater. There is a place for everyone just like if you don't think many CLUB players could be on a varsity squad your nuts.

I watched the game between SBU and. ND lat night and SBU defense is legit and their goalie played very well. If SBU hopes to have any chance against Florida they will have to play a much smarter game offensively. You can't have your best player shooting from way out without back up ,essentially just turning the ball over. And you better be able to put that stick in your off hand. Top teams like Florida will eat you alive if this continues.

But can you count to 5??

The top 8 NESCAC schools (Trinity, Amherst, Colby, Bowdoin, Tufts, Bates, Williams and Hamilton), Salisbury, Cortland, Gettysburg, Franklin & Marshal, College of NJ can compete outside the top tier elite D1 programs.

Hilarious!

Points #3 were equally important so it's a tie.

It's easy to say ND isn't that good to take credit from SB who in this the 4th year went from being a laughingstock to being a legitimate top 15 team. Truth is ND has lost to all teams in top 20 two in the top 4 . Being non biased this seems like their are different hidden motives as the YJ supporters talk up SB while the Top Gun parents speak up Hofstra or bash SB. Actually pretty funny . Anyway a state school that is pretty much a new program beating a top program in the ACC is and will continue to be a big deal, as it would be if Hofstra had done it

Didn't YJ have a pipeline to feed kids to ND?

Notre Dame has a good number of LI players and top recruits

Being the guy that started this I will say That I am neither a Y.J. or T.G. parent. You can not call stoney brook a new program when they have been around for 15+ years that is ridicules, you can say they are vastly improved since the hiring of J.S., this should and could prove that ANY team could become dangerous in a very short time span and no team should be dismissed. As far as the Y.J. not having a "pipeline" to N.D. , I must point out that 2015 blue is sending no less than 3 players to that school including the highest touted goalie and the second best offensive threat from that team. My problem with S.B. is that they play relatively easy schedules and brag about being the best, then get "shown the door" in the first or second round of tournament by true top tier teams. Win something besides a relatively easy (for now) America East Conference. How about a sound drubbing of an easy opponent, and not just slipping by with a 8-4 win at home. If you want to be seen as impressive be impressive

Notre Dame is not as strong as it has been. They have gotten crushed by Duke and BC. SB beat them handily. Their offense is very limited. Their defense has gotten picked apart. They still have to play tough ACC opponents (UNC, Cuse, Louisville and UVA) plus Ohio State and Northwestern out of conference. Gonna be a long year for the Irish...

I see a coaching change there soon. Can't keep blaming the assistants.

SBU played a solid game. JS stalling caused it to be closer than it really was. Their D is the real deal and they have true playmakers on O. Wanna see how they do against teams that can challenge the D and put ball in the net. (i.e. FL and Northwestern).

Syracuse 14 Florida 13 in OT
BC 16 Louisville 15 in OT

There were some other games played in the last couple of days!

If CR can ever sell yj that is where she's headed

Some of you people are funny. A few years ago before JS was hired SB was losing games to Binghamton and Marist now in a relatively short amount of time they are making the NCAA tournament winning games and beating Quality teams while playing a quality schedule. Just like I'm sure SS will do at Hofstra in time. Btw was at the game Tuesday and yes the right thing to do late in a game w a lead is to possess the ball. Every lacrosse team does it these coaches are trying to win. Shooting causes turnovers which can lead to losing your lead and momentum. Many top YJ 2015 players are going to ND on top of the players already there. So yes A NY state school beating a ACC school is fantastic regardless

Looking forward to Hofstra vs Hopkins Saturday Very similar game to SB ND I like Hofstra in this game to win. Love our locals playing these games

Why can't binghampton be more competitive? Suny tuition, good school, in a hot bed of talent.

Not a parent of a girl in the 10-20 D1 range but... The top D3 teams would get throttled by a 10-20 D1 team. If what you are asking is could they do as well or better than D1 teams 80-100 would do against them, yes they very well could. So the conclusion is the top D3 teams are as good or better than many of the worst D1 teams.

If you think a top D3 team could beat for instance number 12 ranked Louisville who just lost to #3 ranked BC 16-15 in OT, you just don't know women's lax. Same goes for Princeton, Penn, Ohio State etc etc.

I have a daughter at a good NESCAC school. She played club with girls that went D1 to some of the top 20 schools. They were significantly better than her and she plays and they general ride the bench. I think it's just not a realistic statement to say a D3 team would fair well against a top 20 D1 team.

And btw, Fall Ball is not a great measuring stick. So to the person that said Adelphi did well in the fall against some teams, come on.

Adelphi is a top D 2 school not D 3

Very aware of that ... thanks. That's why I made the qualification "And to the person ..." What's your betting line on Adelphi vs. Louisville or Adelphi vs Ohio State? Fall ball statement was silly ...

Are the women at Adelphi very good lax players? Yes. Would they beat top 20 D1 teams, sorry, no.

Binghamton is a very difficult school to get into. The toughest in the SUNY system. Many of the best lax players from LI who could get admitted, choose some other schools with a higher level of lax, a bigger name and bigger price tag. Look at kids going to Ivies, JHU,UND, Georgetown, BC, Nova. Better lax and a better school name.

I would guess that the top women's D2 program would be ranked about #50 in D1 and the top D3 program would be ranked about #70

Top teams in both D2 and D3 would handle the LIU Brooklyn's of the world pretty easily.

How is this not National News:

http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/um...ening-kill-freshmen-teammates/2015/03/14

If the accusations are true then the situation at UMBC is completely unacceptable. However, I think we have learned from the Duke scandal that sometimes everything we read or see on the news may not be true. I hope the investigation concludes soon and action by the administration taken accordingly.

I met Tony Giro back when my daughter was being recruited... Seemed like a straight shooter. Sorry he has to deal with this bs.

I hope the program is able to endure. It wasn't a fit for my daughter but is good for many. Good luck!

I find the accused athletes' words alarming. I am not sure how this could turn out positive for any of the suspended team members. Social media has their words and they are damning for sure. I admire the coach for doing the right thing. I am not sure why the university has not suspended them while they investigate. I would be worried if I was a parent of one of the freshman girls they were targeting.

Looking beyond LI teams, looks like the stranglehold on the top five for so many years is starting to unravel. Maryland strong as ever, cuse starting to stumble. Florida, NW and NC showing considerable weakness, Duke rising. Other than MD the gap seems to be closing.

UNC showing considerable weakness?? I would say they are the clear number 2 behind MD.

You also failed to mention BC's rise. BC, btw, has one of the best freshmen in the country who hasn't stepped on the field yet because she also happens to be one of the best freshman hockey players in the country.

In reality, there is some shuffling around in the top 5/7, but not too much new blood at the top of the rankings. As far as NW goes, for them it is a rebuilding year, which is still top ten but boy do their freshman look good.

UNC beat Towson in double OT. Towson barely beat Monmouth early in the season... I say there is room for debate in who is #2...

Wow, 5 shining stars down at UMBC. Parents must be so proud of how they raised these Maryland darlings. Where's all the moms talking about YJ Thugball? Seems like easy red cards all around including the parents. lol

Exactly the point. Just look at this weekend as an example, you have Towson giving UNC all they can handle, Syracuse barely squeaking by Harvard, Florida getting embarrassed. I will give NWest rookie comment the thumbs up, but they are as bad as they have been since the first or second year of them reentering D1. The point again, all these teams may be lingering near top 5, used to be the only team able to compete with top five was a top 5. Not anymore, the dominance is near gone. I think that's good for lacrosse. Do we really need to see NW or MD reel off ten championships in a row? I like to see the rise and fall of programs.

With more big name programs coming on line every year, the college scene is being diluted just like club programs.

The same thing has happened in Men's pro sports when they have expanded their team counts.

Championship uncertainty is great for all sports

Agreed the games are better and on any given day the competition is closer. Ultimately, though, anyone want to bet against Maryland winning this year? Going back to 1991 there have been only 5 programs to win a national championship, so I share your excitement around new blood. But 4 of those 5 teams are in the top ten (UNC, Maryland, NW, Virginia) and one is the odds on favorite to win it again. I'd like to see someone else win it, but MD looks dominant. Interested to see who wins the BC/UNC game this weekend as well. Women's lacrosse is definitely growing and that growth is making for interesting games week in and week out. But until someone other than the traditional powerhouses actually wins the whole thing, the game won't truly take the next step. Anyone have a bet as to who the next non-traditional powerhouse national championship winner will be?? And when??

Who?
UMBC

When?
When they have enough players to field a team and a head coach.

Don't think anyone should joke about that situation. It is a sad statement on all that is wrong with today's sports.

very detailed article about the UMBC women's program -

http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/um...ening-kill-freshmen-teammates/2015/03/14

The death threats may have been "text talk" but it sounds like the upper class man were intentionally trying to hurt the freshman in practice

The current top 20-

Maryland (20) 7-0
2 North Carolina 8-1
3 Boston College 8-0
4 Duke 9-0
5 Syracuse 7-2
6 Florida 6-3
7 Northwestern 4-2
8 Virginia 4-4
9 Stanford 4-0
10 Louisville 5-2
11 Penn State 5-2
12 James Madison 7-1
13 Princeton 4-1
14 Penn 6-0 160
15 Ohio State 7-1
16 Loyola Maryland
17 Stony Brook 5-0
18 Notre Dame 4-4
19 Johns Hopkins 4-2
20 Albany 5-1

this is an abc afternoon special.

Noone these days can just say let it go. How dumb can they be? I hop ethis is a lesson for all kids. Social media is a [lacrosse].

Where they meant it or not (not saying one way or the other). You just cant do that any more. You need to be careful with your figure of speech.

Are you implying that the President of UMBC, the AD, Student Affairs staff, and the Coach should just "let it go"? Are you kidding me? Suppose that was your daughter being harassed, bullied, threatened and injured by a teammate. Would, you want them to just "let it go?" It was not a"figure of speech". These were blatant threats. Do you think that gang of girls in McDonald's in NY this week that attacked a complete stranger were just kidding? Unfortunately nowadays there are no boundaries and people often act on what, in the past, may have been innocent talk.

No, what I was implying was how dumb can the girls be for doing this. If they didn't know then, they and others behind them will know how serious this stuff is to be taken.

I will say, I was not on campus or at practices to see how the girls reacted to each other to know the severity of this. But that unfortunately doesn't matter.

I am in favor of regardless of your skill you still need to respect the upper classmen. and yes, freshman need to earn for their space. I am not saying they get abused. But this society in general has lost sight of many things.

I put on the boys site a few weeks ago, I am in favor of the underclassmen shoveling the fields of snow I have one. Someone called it abuse. I am not sure where respect and working for things and someone calling it abuse ends.

I played college sports, as a freshman/Soph/Jr/Sr you hated some and you loved some others. Some for good reason other for stupid. Yes you always played a little harder for those you didn't like and let up when you could a little for those you liked. but, We didn't have cell phones or computers/ipad/iphone with apps with email and snap chat and stuff. We said, some wrote it on paper(if you were foolish). Now the stuff stays around forever. if you even meant a gesture in a moment of anger not to be taken out of context outside my circle of friends.. or a true threat you need to live

Not condoning what they did because I don't know the true situation. but times are different and I guess we all have to be a bit more on guard and cautious in this very litigious and wha wha society we now live in.

YOU my friend is what is wrong with society today.
These were words typed in a group text format. No one was injured and no one murdered anyone. As a former college athlete I wanted to beat the crap out of team mates and coaches all the time. As did they. We talked about it when we were pissed off. We constantly told our competitors we were going to rip off their heads or break their arms. It happens all the time in sports and there is nothing wrong with it.
SHOULD WE ALL JOIN YOUR PEANUT ALERGY CLUB AND CANCEL ALL SPORTS AND HANG ALL THE COACHES AND ADs??!
This is all ridiculous. The players should have been spoken to by the coach and AD and that's it!!!!!
It's the NPR listening global warming freaks that cause all this hysteria. Bet you all never played a day of sports in your life either. Your all a bunch of inhaler sucking hypochondriacs that need to shut up.

Still think you are off base. Reading behind the lines you think it is OK for freshmen to do menial tasks simply because they are freshmen. They earned their spot, not by shoveling snow, but by being recruited!!! The best players should take the field, regardless of what class they are in. "wha wha" society? When you make a comment like that it sounds like you think everyone is overreacting. You are basically saying that it is only wrong because we live in a litigious society and they got caught, not actually for what they did. People like you need to stay away from sports and children.

GREAT POST!! Wish more people would stand up up the MINORITY of over reactive idiots. You would think they were never young once. I say the judgmental asses calling for suspensions and firings need to shut up. Pray their kid doesn't make a mistake and get hung for it. They will be the first ones at the yacht club asking the judge for a favor.

I would tend to agree except at the point that they said in the group texts that they had in fact intentionally tried to hurt their teammates in practice - their words not mine and if that is the case they have a real problem. One of the articles said that the coaches broke them into two groups so they could not participate in contact drills against each other. I have never heard of such a thing in my life. They also issued an apology that never denied that they did all of this.

Playing hard yes. Playing hard against opponents, yes. Intentionally hurting your teammates, no place for that. ..little league, pee wee, HS, college or professional....no place...period!

9 of the top 20 have a chance at the title but Maryland is the favorite but not the same type of favorite as Kentucky in basketball

"YOU my friend is what is wrong with society today.
These were words typed in a group text format. No one was injured and no one murdered anyone. As a former college athlete I wanted to beat the crap out of team mates and coaches all the time. As did they. We talked about it when we were pissed off. We constantly told our competitors we were going to rip off their heads or break their arms. It happens all the time in sports and there is nothing wrong with it.
SHOULD WE ALL JOIN YOUR PEANUT ALERGY CLUB AND CANCEL ALL SPORTS AND HANG ALL THE COACHES AND ADs??!
This is all ridiculous. The players should have been spoken to by the coach and AD and that's it!!!!!
It's the NPR listening global warming freaks that cause all this hysteria. Bet you all never played a day of sports in your life either. Your all a bunch of inhaler sucking hypochondriacs that need to shut up."

You sound exactly like the type of bully my friends and I from the wrestling team would dismantle for being the fake tuff guys they tried to act like. I guess if someone threatens to hurt or kill or rape your daughter you will do nothing about it until it actually happens, real smart move.

Wow - angry much?

To the guy that wrote the post below I would say first, learn how to post. Takes a first grade education to figure it out so maybe next time you'll get it. Second, when you wrestled in HS I doubt you dismantled anyone except maybe your team mate from his tights. Third, you can stop rolling around with guys half naked...it was ok when you wrestled in HS but now it's just inappropriate. Lastly, no one was raped, beaten or killed. They are kids who said things every kid has said to someone when they were angry at least once in their lives. Remember Mr. Tough Internet Rob Lowe....no more tights!!!

This is Tough Internet Rob Lowe's post...
"You sound exactly like the type of bully my friends and I from the wrestling team would dismantle for being the fake tuff guys they tried to act like. I guess if someone threatens to hurt or kill or rape your daughter you will do nothing about it until it actually happens, real smart move."

Okay I did not wrestle in college but in this case I will take the ex wrestler against the blowhard tuff guy. That being said I think what he may have meant was you seem to be saying it was just words and no one got physically hurt, what he is saying is if you wait until their threats become actions then you are an idiot. I agree w the wrestler , tights or not. Also I like the way he posted it with the post he is responding to first. Feel free to go visit any MMA facility and express your feelings about wrestling Mr. Anti politically correct tuff guy.

Upset of the year, SB takes down Florida. Nice win for SB. Florida a mere shell of its former self, SB solidifies it deserve top 20 status.

Please post as a quote and not part of the previous post. They will be deleted if they are not separated. Thanks.

So where is the recognition for SB taking down FL, as you stated very telling and a great win for SB!!!

Maybe I need to stay away from children, but true players no. You my friend need to stay away from sports. Stick and Stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgMVMaK1NnY

yes I believe underclassmen whether they start or not still need to earn their keep. Yes, they earn playing time by their play. But there is more to a team than the game. I guess singing on the tables in-front of everyone in the student café is wrong too. Menial tasks like shoveling or emotional embarrassing moments like singing bonds freshman to upper classmen and gives the TEAM memories of a life-time

I read the article and from reading yes I thought it was an over reaction, very f'd up, but over reaction none the less. There is definitely more to it. If you ever played high level competitive sports you had these (kill a player or coach) thoughts too. but a true athlete eventually respects their opponent coach.

I do not know more than I read. So I do not know the situation. I am sure there is more. But where has the toughness in sports gone!!!

Remember underclassmen push upper classmen not to be complacent; and upperclassmen push underclassmen to play their best so they see the field. They may not see eye to eye but each need to respect each other while knowing each others place.

Thanks for telling us in your original post that you were a former college athlete, no one but you actually is impressed or cares. As for the rolling around with half naked men you must have gotten confused with all the concussions from your distinguished college athletic career , those memories are from when your dad was the Boy Scout leader . Your last post about knowing your place tells me all I need to know about you . Let me guess former football player who now manhandles his wife.

I think you are jumbling up a few posts.

Can we agree there is a fine line which sometimes gets blurred between competitiveness and combativeness in sports.

..."Jessie"

You are everything that is wrong in youth sports. I fear for your children and how you are raising them with your thuggish thoughts and actions.

I played multiple sports in HS and college and not once did I ever think this way. People like you are the problem. Just because you had these f'd up thoughts does not make it ok.

I just read the score , absolutely great win for S.B. Congratulations for beating a top 10 team, very impressive

Great victory for the Stony Brook Women. Great for the Long Island Girl's Lacrosse community, top teams on the Island build excitement for the sport and the girls who play it. Good luck to Stony Brook, Hofstra, Post, Adelphi, Dowling and Suffolk CC. the rest of the season.

You are everything that is wrong in youth sports. I fear for your children and how you are raising them with your thuggish thoughts and actions.

I played multiple sports in HS and college and not once did I ever think this way. People like you are the problem. Just because you had these f'd up thoughts does not make it ok.

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Back to back crushing losses for Florida. First got completely smoked by MD, now letting one slip to SB. SB will rise through the ratings, Gators will fall throughout the season. Bet ya SB will end the year ranked higher than Florida.

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Wonder if you didn't think this way maybe they were thinking this way of you. I do like that Jesse commercial. ;-)

Wonder if you didn't think this way maybe they were thinking this way of you. I do like that Jesse commercial. ;-) [/quote]

This is what happens when you have had too many concussions. Does anyone but you have any idea what you are talking about ?

SBU has beaten other highly regarded programs: USC, Villanova and Notre Dame.
Defensively they are a machine! Opinion: Rubino a far better athlete and player than Gilroy, yet Gilroy will continue to get press… why?

This is what happens when you have had too many concussions. Does anyone but you have any idea what you are talking about ? [/quote]

If you cant see the idiot in the room, you may need to find a mirror and look in it.

If you didn't think this way (you cant find the idiot in the room when you look around) maybe they were thinking this way of you (you are the one they didn't like).

That commercial is a hilarious. Maybe words do hurt. Jessie!?

If you cant see the idiot in the room, you may need to find a mirror and look in it.

If you didn't think this way (you cant find the idiot in the room when you look around) maybe they were thinking this way of you (you are the one they didn't like).

That commercial is a hilarious. Maybe words do hurt. Jessie!?

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Keep posting , I am certain everyone will see who the idiot is. At least try to make an attempt at being coherent. Your postings are "a hilarious" ,

You have to be kidding... Rubino is a great athlete and a good player. Gilroy is a great player and athlete. Rubino doesn't have the lax IQ of Gilroy nor does she have an off hand.

Have to agree , Rubino is more athletic but Gilroy is a better lacrosse player.

Gilroy is a much better player but I will say this Rubino is the best female athlete I have ever seen step on a lacrosse field.

I have watched many and most all of who has been considered geat players form LI and else where. Gilroy is a different level. The Gator SB game is like yj reunion game. Gotta give the Islip freshman the thumbs up, turning out to be a high impact player for SB.

Neither USC nor Villanova have ever been considered highly regarded. You are as misinformed on personnel as you are regarding program strength.

strike a nerve there? hahaha

We know how you like to STROKE guys nerves. Lots of practice I heard. Hahaha

The three you mention might not end up in the top 30 this year.

I agree. Villanova and USC were games SB was expected to win and did.

ND was a game that SB won decisively, should have won and one they may have lost in the past due to the "name and aura" that surround the Irish. They won. Kudos!

FL was a HUGE win. Beating a Top 10 team is quite an accomplishment especially considering SB got spanked by FL last year at home.

SB has a few other tough games on their slate, let's see how they do. All of a sudden, Albany may be a tougher game then first thought.

Good luck SB.

I love the fact the Albany vs Stony Brook games are becoming so relevant (for both Boys and Girls).

I would love Cortland to become another Div 1 outlet for NY student athletes. Making for four great State Div 1 options for NY student athletes.

Why can't Binghamton get their act together? They were ranked 69 last year which is a crime. Great academic cheap suny school that should be fielding better teams.

University of Buffalo would be the next D1 program. I am surprised they don't have lacrosse already. Cortland will always be a D3

Is there a site to go to find out, or does anyone know, what D1 programs are slated to begin play in next three years? Thanks

There are many great Womens lax games to be seen today on the ESPNwatch app for your phone. You can also watch them on your laptop or desktop.
Please report the scores.

UND def OSU. A top 10 team going into today's contest. Makes SBU win that much more impressive.

UVA def Duke. Duke previously undefeated @ #2. UVA moving up in polls.

SBU won easily.

What is behind the ear of all of the N Caroliba girls?

*Carolina- sorry, keyboard stuck. Looks like a small black thing, anyone know?

#3 Boston College- 10 -- #2 UNC- 9 F/OT

During each practice and game during the season, the participating student-athletes wear a new adhesive patch with a sensor behind their ear made by X2 Biosystems that captures impacts to the head. The patch enables researchers to study forces on the head in sports, such as womens lacrosse, where helmets are not worn.

If you watch any of the broadcasts, occasionally broadcasters make reference to heart rate monitors the girls wear under their uniforms.

Thank you so much!

Michigan 12. Colorado 12 OT
On BTN optimum ch 413 NOW

Colorado completes the amazing comeback!

Top 10 contest. NW beats SYR 11-10

IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 23
Rank Team Record
1 Maryland 9-0
2 Boston College 9-0
3 North Carolina 8-2
4 Northwestern 5-2
5 Virginia 6-4
6 Duke 9-1
7 Syracuse 8-3
8 Florida 7-4
9 Stanford 4-0
10 Louisville 7-2
11 Princeton 6-1
12 Stony Brook 7-0
13 James Madison 7-3
14 Penn 7-1
15 Penn State 6-3
16 Loyola 5-4
17 Notre Dame 5-4
18 Ohio State 8-2
19 Albany 7-1
20 Johns Hopkins 6-2

With no teams above them until Northwestern it seems Stony Brook will be stuck just outside the top ten. I hope they do some damage come NCAA playoff time.

They do play a few ranked teams so if teams above lose they will move up . Interesting they are ranked in other poll at #7 Either way great for Long Island Lacrosse

Seriously...Can the one bus load of people who care about Stony Brook please stop the nonsense every time a score or a poll comes out. Really!!!!

What does "With no teams above them until Northwestern" mean?

Yes because a LI college team beating perennial power teams ND and a top10 Florida team is not newsworthy. After all this is an wlax NCAA thread and that is newsworthy

They don't play any teams ranked above them, at this point, until Northwestern.

OK. We'll talk about Wagner. Tough last four losses by a total of four goals.

Gotcha. I agree BTW.

What other poll?

I see the #7 ranking is LaxPower's Computer ranking.

How about Albany!!

What happened to the NCAA men's thread?

The two top polls are media poll and coaches poll. Love the way the locals Hofstra and SB are representing. Yes right now SB is a top ranked team and really playing well beating Notre Dame and Florida but I also think Hofstra will make noise in the CAA how fantastic would it be with both LI teams in NCAA. As far as polls go its interesting to note that teams SOS and RPI are the most important numbers not a poll (found on laxpower). With HS season revving up this is a great time of the year

Nothing happened to it. No recent posts as the attention seems to be on Womens college lax for some reason. Feel free to post on the Mens thread. I will bring it to the front for ya.

Thanks! I couldn't find it and I really can't believe it wasn't lighting up with the big Syracuse win over Duke!

Syrwacuse ranked 7? wow nepotism at its worst

how is that nepotism?

Gaits daughter a starter

his daughter plays

I did not know that. Yikes.

I still dont get how their ranking has anything to do with nepotism?

Her dad and uncle weren’t to shabby as players maybe she inherited something

First year playing - redshirted last year
She's not a bad player at all- the best on the team
Who knows- but her being a starter how do you think
That impacts the attitude of the other players
When has syracuse been so low in pols ?
Maybe coincidence maybe not
The assistant coach daughter also in on the team
Just don't think having your kid on the team is
Necessarily the best thing

Yeah, you're probably right. Just ask John Danowski, Bill Tierney, Richie Moran & John Desko. I'm sure their players hated having their sons on the rosters.

As for the coaches daughter in question, she's battled back from numerous knee injuries/surgeries (reason for red-shirting) and remains one of the fastest girls on the team.

Nepotism? You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

Division 1 Polls 3/30/15

1 Maryland (20) 10-0 400 1
2 North Carolina 10-2 362 3
3 Boston College 10-1 354 2
4 Virginia 8-4 341 5
5 Duke 10-1 327 6
6 Northwestern 6-3 306 4
7 Syracuse 8-4 281 7
8 Florida 8-4 249 8
9 Stony Brook 9-0 210 12
10 Louisville 8-3 208 10
11 Penn 8-1 175 14
12 Penn State 8-3 173 15
13 Stanford 5-1 171 9
14 James Madison 8-3 165 13
15 Princeton 7-2 115 11
16 Loyola Maryland 7-4 103 16
17 Notre Dame 6-5 81 17
18 Ohio State 10-2 71 18
19 Albany 8-1 58 19
20 Johns Hopkins 8-2 27 20
Dropped out: None.

Also receiving votes: Massachusetts, Delaware, Cornell.

Division 2 Polls 3/30/15

1 Adelphi (20) 9-0 400 1
2 Lock Haven 5-0 377 2
3 Lindenwood 8-0 358 3
4 Florida Southern 12-2 336 5
5 Le Moyne 8-1 322 4
6 New Haven 7-1 292 6
7 Stonehill 9-0 275 8
8 Mercyhurst 7-1 259 7
9 LIU Post 8-2 229 10
10 Rollins 8-3 228 9
11 Limestone 10-1 212 11
12 St. Anselm 4-3 153 12
13 Queens (N.C.) 8-4 139 13
14 Mount Olive 11-2 123 15
15 Regis (Colo.) 8-2 122 14
16 Seton Hill 6-2 108 18
17 Dowling 7-2 66 17
18 West Chester 4-3 56 16
19 Bloomsburg 5-2 42 20
20 Bentley 4-4 39 19
Dropped out: None.

Also receiving votes: Pfeiffer, Grand Valley State, Indiana (Pa.), Belmont Abbey, Assumption.

Divison 3 Polls 3/30/15

1 Trinity (Conn.) (8) 8-1 384 2
2 Colby (3) 9-1 357 3
3 Middlebury (3) 7-1 354 4
4 Franklin & Marshall (2) 8-1 351 1
5 SUNY Cortland (2) 6-1 313 6
6 Salisbury (1) 7-2 297 10
7 Bowdoin 6-2 281 5
8 Hamilton (1) 8-1 272 7
9 Gettysburg 7-2 249 8
10 Washington & Lee 8-2 207 9
11 Tufts 7-2 199 11
12 Amherst 5-3 157 12
13 TCNJ 5-2 149 14
14 Catholic 7-2 133 13
15 [lacrosse] (Pa.) 7-3 113 15
16 Williams 5-2 109 20
17 SUNY Geneseo 5-0 88 16
18 Messiah 5-4 64 18
19 Fredonia 6-2 36 NR
20 Springfield 8-2 20 NR
Dropped out: No. 17 St. John Fisher, No. 19 Dickinson.

Also receiving votes: St. Mary's (Md.), St. John Fisher, Mount Union, Nazareth, Dickinson.

Great work Baldbear! BOTC appreciates your effort.

This Saturday has some great games for lacrosse fans.

D1 matches to watch--

Albany vs Stony Brook
Duke vs BC
NC vs Louisville
ND vs VA

D3 matches to watch--

Middlebury vs Colby
Hamilton vs Trinity
SUNY Geneseo vs SUNY Cortland

A lot, if not all, can be streamed. Go through the school's webpage to get the link.

(If I missed one let me know)

Well there's 30 minutes of my life I'll never get back!!

What is wrong with many of you people? I started to read this thread because my daughter is a sophomore on a Top 24 D1 Program who played on a extremely solid HS program. I thought I would be reading about her and the dozens and dozens of girls from Long Island that play in NCAA Division 1, 2 and 3. Girls that my daughter played with and against, that have gone on to play in schools that fit them. many having achieved great success between the lines and in the classrooms.

THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE POSTING AND READING ABOUT! I think that manny of you who have daughter that play this great game would me embarrassed about what is written here.

The thread starts out like other threads ... Club fighting and ends up as a Pro-SB vs. Anti-SB!!

Not a single one of the several thousand talented young ladies are going to play lacrosse for a living!! They are playing a sport that they grew up loving at the highest level they can achieve.. Every single one of those players on every roster from #1 Maryland to #107 Gardener-Webb deserves respect and admiration for the amount of work and dedication they put into the sport they love as well as carry a full load of college courses.

I missed only a handful of games through all the years watching my daughter play lacrosse through youth, Middle School, Club and High School. It kills me to "watch" games on Live Stats!!

Enjoy this time watching your daughters play the game they love, because it will be over before you know it!!!

My two cents. Let the bashing of me begin.

Well said and thanks for your "2 cents".

Thanks for your input. Don't let them get you down. Enjoy watching your daughter and her friends play.

Great post! No bashing from me. I was lucky to be able to see all of my daughter's middle school, high school and collegiate games (and she did not play locally) and feel extremely fortunate that I could.

I hear you about Stony Brook (and to a certain degree Hofstra). I admit even I get into that fray at times. There are a lot of LI student/athletes on our local teams and you seem to get a carry-over from high school and club. Hey, I didn't think Stony Brook would crack the top ten and now they have!

Most comments on the site are anonymous and folks, understandably, don't want to post a "look what my daughter did" comment. So what I will try to do, and I make no promises, is to try and find game accomplishments by local kids and post them. Understand I will be scouring game stats so it will be a numbers game--sorry defense!! But I'll try to grab some GB stats!!

Womens lacrosse is a great sport and college playing is virtually the end for a vast majority of the girls. Enjoy it while you can.

The Albany vs Stony Brook game is in Stony Brook - many could get to see this game live!

Aw, c'mon Baldbear. Defenders finally have stats recorded in college and you're not going to include them??? I'm ribbing you because I know full well that I am very welcome to do my own research and laud any defenders who deserve it.

I'm the original author of the "30 minutes I'll never get back".

I wanted to amend my comments on 1 point. I mentioned "#1 Maryland to #107 Gardener-Webb".

It should have been written: "#1 Maryland to #107 Gardener-Webb"; "#1 Adelphi to #117 Felician" and #1 Cortland to #270 Bay Path".

It way midnight after a long day! And Baldbear, an old coach told me once, "Offense Wins Games, Defense Wins Championships"!

I know full well. My daughter was a defender.

Now it is on a tee shirt.

Great win by Hofstra women tonight...13 to 8 over James Madison...a top 20 team

I've been to nearly every home game for both out Long Island D1 teams and last nights Hofstra games was the best game I've seen this year. bA was face guarded for the vast majority of the game and still managed to rack up 5 points. Unbelievable talent. Let's hope for a great game tonight at Stony Brook and another tomorrow afternoon at Hofstra.

No. 5 Duke knocks off No. 3 Boston College, 13-8, to move to 12-1 on the season and 5-1 in ACC. Great battle by both sides. Bc's Mikaela Rix injured and had to leave game early on. Interested to see the upcoming rankings.

Stony Brook is the real deal, it's what happens when you have a quality coach, also evident in the youth and professional lax teams he coaches. Very impressive!

ILW didn't offer any details on the injury. Anyone see it? Did she leave for precautionary reasons or is it serious?

i was there ... it was a cheap shot body check that whiplashed her to the ground ... the game was stopped for over 20 minutes ... ambulance onto field and she was put on a body board. Heard later on that it sounds like she might be ok ... hopefully it was being very careful, but it was a scary situation. Duke was incredibly rough with wild cross checks etc, and the refs let it get out of hand.

I was kind of watching the SBU/Albany game online. What happened with the four yellows near the end? Three to players and one to the team.

Two albany players both payed out a SB player and their coach went nuts

I was watching Ohio State vs Penn State yesterday and couldn't stop wondering why the refs do not enforce the horizontal stick to body rule in college?

The injury to Rix was more of a hip check/leg whip kind of thing ... the Duke girl got beat and she threw her body into her ... should have clearly been a red card but only got yellow ... there was a cross check a few minutes before that where a BC girl was getting around Duke defender and the cross check came up under BC girls arm to her ribs and literally lifted her of the ground and sent her crashing to the turf ... you could hear the crack of the contact in the stands ... The game is hard to call, but the lack of qualified refs even at this high level, is astounding ... something has to be done between simplifying the rules, and finding better referees. Something really bad is going to happen soon, hopefully it didn't just happen yesterday to one of the best players in the world.

yet the solution that US Lacrosse is exploring is a standard for girls' helmets, which will only invite more contact and give the refs more latitude. please wake up.

another nice win for hofstra today go pride

Special thanks to the LI dad with no sleaves wearing camo jacket and hat yesterday at the Hofstra game. I took my kids to go see a college game and had to explain to them that some people were crazy after listening to this dad scream at the refs all day long. So nice to hear him say "you suck ref" - "you are a [lacrosse]" and many other wonderful quotes. If this is how he acts when Hofstra wins, I can't imagine what he is like when they lose.

Divison I Women's Lacrosse


1 Maryland (20) 12-0 400 1
2 North Carolina 11-2 373 2
3 Duke 12-1 355 5
4 Boston College 11-2 345 3
5 Northwestern 8-3 307 6
6 Virginia 9-5 290 4
7 Syracuse 9-4 285 7
8 Florida 9-4 264 8
9 Stony Brook 11-0 232 9
10 Penn 9-2 196 11
11 Louisville 9-4 187 10
12 Penn State 9-3 183 12
13 Notre Dame 7-5 167 17
14 Princeton 8-2 129 15
15 Stanford 7-2 126 13
16 James Madison 9-4 91 14
17 Loyola Maryland 9-4 87 16
18 Ohio State 10-3 80 18
19 Albany (N.Y.) 9-2 48 19
20 Johns Hopkins 9-2 28 20

Dropped out: None.

Also receiving votes: Cornell, Massachusetts, Delaware, Hofstra.

Divison 2 Women's Lacrosse

1 Adelphi (18) 10-0 398 1
2 Lock Haven (2) 7-0 382 2
3 Lindenwood 10-0 351 3
4 Le Moyne 10-1 330 5
5 Florida Southern 14-2 326 4
6 Stonehill 12-0 305 7
7 New Haven 8-2 270 6
8 Mercyhurst 9-1 262 8
9 LIU Post 9-2 239 9
10 Rollins 9-3 213 10
11 Limestone 11-2 212 11
12 Regis (Colo.) 9-3 150 15
13 Queens (N.C.) 9-4 147 13
14 Mount Olive 12-2 134 14
15 Seton Hill 7-3 98 16
16 Dowling 8-3 94 17
17 St. Anselm 4-5 73 12
18 Bloomsburg 6-3 72 19
19 West Chester 5-4 56 18
20 Bentley 6-4 46 20

Dropped out: None.

Also receiving votes: Grand Valley State, Pfeiffer, Lenior-Rhyne, Indiana (Pa.).

Divison 3 Women's Lacrosse

1 Trinity (Conn.) (16) 10-1 395 1
2 Middlebury (2) 8-1 378 3
3 Franklin & Marshall (1) 10-1 352 4
4 Colby 9-2 334 2
5 SUNY Cortland (1) 9-1 328 5
6 Salisbury 9-2 306 6
7 Bowdoin 8-2 266 7
8 Gettysburg 9-2 250 9
9 Hamilton 8-2 239 8
10 Tufts 9-2 215 11
11 Washington & Lee 10-2 193 10
12 Amherst 7-3 177 12
13 Catholic 8-2 163 14
14 TCNJ 7-2 145 13
15 [lacrosse] (Pa.) 8-4 98 15
16 Williams 5-4 92 16
17 Messiah 6-4 71 18
18 SUNY Geneseo 6-1 69 17
19 Fredonia 8-2 51 19
20 Springfield 10-2 36 20

Dropped out: None.

Also receiving votes: Mount Union, St Mary's (Md.), Stevens Institute.

A note of caution to any parent considering Marquette for your daughter. The coach is completely incompetent. Your kid will have a miserable experience and end up hating the sport she loves. There a quality kids quitting left and right. Also there is a very subtle pay to play policy in place. It is disgusting.

Great to see three locals in the top 25 Stony brook, Albany and Hofstra!

Interesting that the top 3 LI girls programs are only sending about 40% of their 16' and 17' early commits to top 25 programs. Shows that teams outside the top 25 are fighting like mad to acquire talent to crack the list. Albany doesn't have a big LI commit for 16 or 17 yet but its still early. Hofstra and Stoney Brook's pipeline looks solid.

That's too bad. Is your daughter thinking of transferring? Or is she happy there overall, just not with the lax program?

Funny thing is, he is a YJ dad.

I wasn't at the game but a family member was and I heard all about that dad and how embarrassed his daughter must have been. He needs to knock off that behavior.

shocking lol

The school is a good one and the kids like it. I know a number of the girls are thinking of transferring or just plain quitting. The problem is lax and school become intertwined. Hard to have a great experience when half your time of the day is miserable.

The problem with the coaches are they have created a junior high school like environment. Very petty. Not conducive to growing girls or building their self confidence. They started out with some good assistants, but that has been a revolving door.

One of the assistants is an aggressive [lacrosse] who is bitter and angry at the world and takes it out on the kids. Very difficult for these girls to cope with that. Head coach only cares about herself and the teams lax power rating. A total narcissistic ego maniac. A girl on the team was sexually assaulted and it was swept under the rug by the coaching staff and administration.

My daughter left the team last year and is leading a much healthier life as a result of it.

Marquette should know better. It is a Jesuit institution that should care about kids instead of treating them like commodities.

Bottom line is there are too many new D 1 lacrosse programs and not enough experienced coaches. Don't let your daughter be a guinea pig for the Marquette coaches to learn. I guarantee it will come at your daughters expense.

If you read some of the coaches press releases you will laugh. They are being blow out of games and she makes it sound as if they are actually close games. One of her strategies is to keep the starters in the whole game after the other team empties their bench. She narrows the score and makes herself look better.

She recruited close to 50 girls to be on the team. Impossible for that many to have a good experience.

Putting this out as a public service . Better to be forewarned of these things.

My daughter has been considering Marquette. Given that you were once an insider, do you know of a way that we can corroborate this prior to her committing? Not calling you a liar but don't want to base any major decision like this on one person's assessment. We did not get this impression at all from meeting with the coaches. And can I ask why you posted this now if your daughter left last year?

You two should make handles here and talk privately so you can speak freely. I did this on another sports forum with a parent whose daughter was recruited to a school where my daughter's coach was making her miserable. We had a lot to talk about.

I think it's okay to share the Marquette info here, it's something other parents may find useful if they are considering Marquette, or even not, it gives one some ideas of what to look at when evaluating a program. Especially when it's your fist kid, there is so much you don't know to consider.

Congrats Coach Smith..

Hempstead, NY - Hofstra University Head Women's Lacrosse Coach Shannon Smith has signed a multi-year contract extension, it was announced by Vice President and Director of Athletics Jeffrey A. Hathaway today.

Smith is currently in the midst of her third season at the helm of the Pride program.

"We are thrilled with the work Shannon has done with our women's lacrosse program since taking over three years ago," commented Hathaway. "Shannon's knowledge of the game of lacrosse, her determination to be the absolute best and her dedication to her team's success in the classroom are traits I have watched first-hand since she joined our department. She has made great strides in a short time here at Hofstra and I am excited about what the future holds for our team. It's a great day for our women's lacrosse program and Hofstra University."

"I want to thank Hofstra President Stuart Rabinowitz, Vice President and Director of Athletics Jeff Hathaway and Deputy Director of Athletics Dino Mattessich for their unbelievable support of the Hofstra Women's Lacrosse program and our student-athletes. I am grateful for the confidence and trust they have in me to continue to lead this program and to provide a great academic and athletic experience for our student-athletes at such a prestigious university."

In less than three seasons, Smith has already led Hofstra to 26 wins. During her tenure in Hempstead, Smith has guided the Pride to appearances in the Colonial Athletic Association Championship tournament in both completed seasons and led the Pride to an appearance in the CAA Championship Game in her first season at the helm. In addition, her first season at Hofstra saw her lead the program to a six-win improvement over the previous campaign.

She has coached senior April Iannetta to back-to-back CAA Defensive Player of the Year Awards, as well as Becky Conto to the 2013 CAA Rookie of the Year Award.
In 2014 Hofstra posted eight wins, while finishing 12th in the nation in scoring defense. Kelsey Gregerson ranked fourth in the country in save percentage and eighth in goals against average. In addition to Iannetta's Defensive Player of the Year trophy, five other players received All-CAA accolades and two (Brittain Altomare and Iannetta) were named to the Intercollegiate Women's Lacrosse Coaches Association all-region team.

In her first season at the helm, Smith led the Pride to 11 wins and the berth in the CAA Championship game. The Pride ranked in the top 20 nationally in scoring defense, ground balls per game and caused turnovers. Iannetta shared the CAA Defensive Player of the Year Award, Conto took home CAA Rookie of the Year accolades and Altomare set a new school record for assists under Smith's tutelage.

Smith, a West Babylon, New [lacrosse], native, received her bachelor of science in liberal arts, with a major in economics and minor in business institutions program, from Northwestern in 2012.

That is great news for Hofstra!! Congrats!

Can someone describe in simple terms the difference between the TSI rankings and the RPI rankings? Some of the teams are ranked wildly different based on those two systems. The explanations provided on lax power are so confusing to me.
Thanks

Those really are not rankings, just a computer program trying to quantify. Stick with the polls for ranking.

Tough loss for Stony Brook

two more tough ones coming up

When you play a tough schedule there will be tough losses. Only one undefeated left. Notre Dame and Florida haven't lost a game since losing to Stony Brook. So those wins plus the Albany win give them three over top 20 teams

Kentucky

You really aren't describing Stony Brooks schedule as tough are you? (

Depends who you are comparing their schedule to.

3 in the top 13 and 5 in the top 20, not too bad for a non-ACC school....

They are ahead of a lot of big name schools this year. Don't be a hater if your daughter chose to go to a weaker program.

Good education, Good lacrosse

Stony Brook is not a bargain so please stop making it something it's not.
Campus is quite ugly. Alumni presence is terrible. Endowment is minuscule at $180M (colleges with $90M-$100M are closing their doors and are out of business). Athletics are average all around with low school spirit. Academic programs except medicine are average. We can go on and on.

It's an option for some but by no means is a top school.

Do you know how obnoxious you sound? If your daughter chose a school based on its lacrosse program you are a failure as a parent. Your guru coach is disliked by most of the big coaches not because he has a good program but because he is arrogant and difficult, thats why most of the top tier programs will not play him, hence your easy schedule. They will probably lose to N.W. and may beat Hofstra, but if they lose both they will drop below 15 for sure and will need to beat Albany to assure a spot in the tournament, if not, maybe no at large for S.B. Stony Brook is an ugly campus that reflects the attitude of both it's coach and team parents. I would rather my daughter lose every game in her college career, and get the degree she wants than play for a meaningless championship that does nothing for the players and everything for the coach, while having to spend another 2 to 3 years after there playing years are done at a cost of tens of thousands of dollars to finish her degree. Congratulations S.B. parents, you sold your daughters into debt so you can brag.

A state school starts at $20k without academic or athletic money so I'm not sure debt is the best defense. When kids get 10k for academics and $15k for lax at a $60k school It still costs $35k.

Stony Brook with it's dreary campus offers good academics at an affordable cost. Offering decent lacrosse is new.

Stop with if you chose a school for lacrosse you are a failure of a parent. Most every travel parent I know is choosing a college based on the PACKAGE. We know some really smart kids commiting to schools that make you scratch your head why? Because of the lacrosse package. Please!

Stony brook happens to be one of the top math and science schools. Check the facts. So the campus is ugly- so what? Do you choose your team based on uniforms? Do you know how many kids leave good state schools and go on to top notch schools post grad? MANY! To start med school with hardly any debt is a gift! JS is a top coach and this team is on the rise. A bonus- getting to see your kid still play and being able to travel to away games and on vacations because tuition is so affordable! Nothing wrong with state schools! Best kept secret.

did stony brook actually win today vs northwestern? Wow listen for the crickets.

Thats great!!

Do you know how mean you sound? Look it up, instate tuition is a little over $8,000, and out of state is almost $22,000. Add on a great education, great coaches,and great lacrosse. It sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Stony Brook beat NU today, by sheer determination, a lot of heart, great athletes, and extremely good coaching! That's something your mean words cannot take away from them. The SBU program has done so much to add to girls lacrosse on Long Island. The stadium was full of little girls teams coming to watch a really exciting lacrosse program, take down a National Championship team. And afterwards, they asked the players for their autographs. JS and his staff have created a program Long Island can be proud of.

JS and "be proud of" shouldn't even be in the same sentence! Other than his winning, which can't be disputed, he's an arrogant jerk, practicing horrible sportsmanship, and teaching terrible life lessons, from college all the way down to the youth level, with his son's team. His behavior, and his players' behavior (college & youth) are a disgrace, and nothing to be proud of!!!

Wow! Someone sounds angry! Who was cut, your son or daughter? Maybe both? Not everyone is good enough to compete at a high level. Stop hating one of the best and well respected coaches out there!

Neither, and both play at a high level, and with much more class!!! He is hated by many for good reason. If you were involved closely, you'd understand.

Exactly! Let's see, hating on little boys and college girls... what's next grandmas and puppies?! He and his staff have done what others couldn't. I'm very proud to be an SBU fan!!

CR and the YJ's are hated for the exact same reasons. It comes with being at the top.

I love how the blow hard parents who only care about having their kids verbal commit to the school with the best package offer are now bashing SB after sending their kids to lesser Lacrosse and Academic schools.

SB currently is offering top 10 Lacrosse with bottom 10 tuition pricing, but keep choosing those schools with a $60,000 starting price tag

I can definitely confirm what the poster said. My daughter is still on the team, so I don't want to say too much. All I will say is we lived up to our end of the bargain and the Coaching staff definitely did not. At the beginning of this year they had 50 young ladies on the team and 12 have quit. Yet they are still recruiting more. There is also an improper relationship with the assistant and one of the players. Everyone on the team knows it and it is disgusting.

What are you talking about? Who's hating on little boys and college girls? Oh, JS is, you're right. I've seen him humiliate both, in his classless, lack of any sportsmanship way. Go ahead, be proud.

It Obvious that this Laxstradomus should not quit their day job !
The ones bashing this man are the ones who consistently insist that their kid can play for any program in the country because their kid is that good! The delusional part of it is if your a youth parent or tipping the collegiate parent era , chances are your kid is not that Thoroughbred that JS seeks otherwise they wouldn't be on here Hating away !. Your facts are way off on the debt part as well Really??. Yes it takes a certain type of personality that JS seeks who will put up with his demands and his flaws of personality , BUT his actions speak for himself . Give credit when credit is do ! There are way to many haters out there who cannot admit that maybe there child is not that good , or that coach no matter what his flaws are is one damn good coach !
Or more so could be that many of you parents purchased a ton of NORTHWESTERN apparel and even Hofstra Apparel and being a ugly state school that it is has defeated a team who reigned a LAX era for years deems your opinions , Jump on the bandwagon my friends because this team will only get stronger as he gets that much closer each year to compete for the #1 position. In do time with a few more additions he will complete that task . In the meantime the Red is the New purple !

It's obvious that you've never coached against him, or spent time with him. I don't think anybody is questioning his winning. You don't get it, and I can tell from your writing, that you're not very bright. We can agree to disagree, since this is going nowhere.

To the Laxtradomus poster. WOW. You are exactly why we laugh at the JS supporters. With friends like you he doesn't need enemies. Judging by your post it's clear college wasn't in your cards but please stop polluting this thread with your embarrassing meathead Rob Lowe comments. OR better yet keep them coming cause they make my day and make me laugh. Thanks!!!!!!!!

Yea, you were hating on little boys and college girls, read your post. " his players behavior (college and youth) are a disgrace. Nothing to be proud of." Grow up and keep kids out of your tirades. You don't get it! Go Seawolves!!! Keep up the good work!!

I guess my point was over your head. It was not hating on little boys and college girls...it's the "behavior" that he's been teaching and encouraging for years. You obviously don't get it, so there's no sense in continuing this.

I would guarantee this poster sucked up to JS for years , realized friends or not if your kid doesn't perform to his standards he will not play,they got burned out of a phony longtime friendship , because most of those people are just that , and here you are bashing away!
Don't be a tool we know a few of you are just very bitter on JS success , because your not a part of it.



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To the Laxtradomus poster. WOW. You are exactly why we laugh at the JS supporters. With friends like you he doesn't need enemies. Judging by your post it's clear college wasn't in your cards but please stop polluting this thread with your embarrassing meathead Rob Lowe comments. OR better yet keep them coming cause they make my day and make me laugh. Thanks!!!!!!!!



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It's too bad the game was played at 12:00 on a Sunday afternoon when many of the youth teams probably had conflicts with their games. Read there were about 900 in attendance, wonder if it would have been more on a different day. What a difference a couple years make - NU went from winning back-to-back championships on that field to losing to the home team, who wasn't even in the tournament then. Shows how much the talent is spreading out.

It seems like Stony Brook is creating a program representing Long Island. Playing with a edge, blue collar, toughness and attitude.

I like it. I would sign up right now if I could! I might be in the minority here but I think it is ok to get yelled at, demand the best, and get pushed a little.

Congrats Stony Brook!

Bill (BS ) come on knock it off

Well said and you hit it on the head blue collar !
Maybe the pompous above everyone else's standards bashing posters should take note, Hard work and Hustle will rise to the top , And yes that does mean mommy and daddy cant buy their way into this one !

Great for LI that Stony Brook and Hofstra are playing so well! The elitists need to stop. If nothing else your girls being able to attend Stony Brook or Hofstra games are great experiences. Their was an energetic loud very large crowd at SB yesterday and as a dad of a young lax player it is great for her to watch these phenomenal athletes

He didn't want my daughter so therefore I must bash as per the YJ handbook. Now we have shipped our daughter off to a far away school that we didn't want, but they wanted us so we got an offer. Now she is playing lousy lacrosse at a school that no hiring company has ever heard of with lousy academics with a really high price tag. Looking back, I wish he wanted us.

Yeah...thats why YJ is hated>>>lol

I do not have a kid in the program, but I am around a lot of lacrosse--the word around the fields is that this is not a program you want to send your daughter to.

SBU is a great deal. The school is one of the top public universities in the world. The in-state tuition is nothing compared to other private or out-of-state schools. The campus is beautiful. The only problem is all the building they are doing. Of course with such a building boom I would not be concerned about SBU closing its doors anytime soon. I do agree the endowment is small, but the school is still relatively young. The Endowment continues to grow each year. As for the alumni, i can't really comment. But that is true of most schools. As SBU grows and the athletic department gets better, my guess is that an alumni presence will not be an issue. Just like any other school that does well. The academics are there. If they get improved sports, to go along with good fine arts, campus life and post graduate activities will only get better.

To which program are you referring?
Stony Brook
Or Marquette
There are two distinct topics being "discussed"

sorry, Marquette. Love SBU, one of the top coaches in the country.

I live in a girls lacrosse hot bed and do not have a daughter that goes to Marquette but have heard some horrific stories of lack to leadership, teaching and mentoring. I have heard of some horrific off the field incidents that have involved girl's on the team and the coaching staff basically turning their back on them. The coach basically ignored and disgarded the girls as if they were a distraction to her and her staff. It was such a shalow and self centered act from a staff member of a Jesuit University.

We trust our children with coaches in the hope that they act as guardians to your children, at Marquette, this is not what you can expect. If you combine the terrible mentoring and guidance from the coaching staff at Marquetter Girls Lacrosse with the fact they have been flat out awful on the field, you have a terrible place to play lacrosse.

#stayaway #timeforachange #wakeupmarquetteathleticdirector

IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 13
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 14-0 400 20 1
2 North Carolina 12-2 373 2
3 Duke 13-1 363 3
4 Boston College 13-2 338 4
5 Virginia 10-5 313 6
6 Stony Brook 13-1 273 9
7 Northwestern 9-4 265 5
8 Florida 11-4 257 8
9 Syracuse 9-6 247 7
10 Notre Dame 9-5 225 13
11 Penn 10-2 212 10
12 Penn State 10-3 170 12
13 Princeton 9-3 153 14
14 Louisville 9-5 142 11
15 Stanford 9-2 111 15
16 Loyola 11-4 90 17
17 Johns Hopkins 11-2 83 20
18 James Madison 10-4 71 16
19 Albany 10-2 50 19
20 Ohio State 10-5 47 18

I like it too! They're tough, scrappy, hard working girls. Yesterday's game was proof. JS and his assistants must be doing something right, because everyone seems to have bought into his program. It's great to see strong, confident young women take charge. It was very inspiring for my girls to see! It's a perfect storm of great coaching and very gifted athletes. I agree with you, I might be in the minority too, but to some degree isn't shouting coaching? How else do the girls hear directions? Nothing inappropriate was said, nor was there any over the top yelling by JS or his assistants. They simply know how to coach! I congratulate all of them on their " can do" winning spirit. Great for Long Island!

IWLCA Poll for Division II, April 13
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 12-0 392 13 1
2 Lock Haven 10-0 386 7 2
3 Le Moyne 12-1 348 4
4 Lindenwood 12-1 346 3
5 Florida Southern 16-2 320 5
6 Stonehill 13-1 298 6
7 Mercyhurst 10-2 273 8
8 New Haven 10-2 268 7
9 LIU Post 11-2 242 9
10 Rollins 10-3 220 10
11 Limestone 12-2 206 11
12 Regis (CO) 9-3 158 12
13 Queens 11-4 141 13
14 Mount Olive 12-3 135 14
15 Bloomsburg 7-3 86 18
16 West Chester 7-4 83 19
17 Seton Hill 8-4 82 15
18 Dowling 9-4 80 16
19 Bentley 8-4 62 20
20 Saint Anselm 4-6 28 17

IWLCA Poll for Division III, April 13
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Trinity (CT) 11-1 395 18 1
2 Middlebury 10-1 380 1 2
3 Franklin & Marshall 12-1 359 3
4 Cortland 12-1 343 1 5
5 Bowdoin 10-2 306 7
6 Gettysburg 11-2 290 8
7 Hamilton 10-2 281 9
8 College of New Jersey 10-2 248 14
9 Salisbury 11-3 224 6
10 Colby 9-4 194 4
11 Washington & Lee 11-2 184 11
12 Tufts 9-4 183 10
13 Catholic (DC) 9-3 165 13
14 Amherst 8-4 162 12
15 [lacrosse] 10-4 115 15
16 Messiah 8-4 86 17
17 Williams 6-5 68 16
18 Geneseo 8-1 67 18
19 Springfield 11-2 47 20
20 Fredonia 10-2 46 19

Getting some unconfirmed news that Amanda Belichick, head coach for at Weslyan University, has taken a leave of absence for the reminder of the year. If true hopefully all is well.

Throwing a Coach under the bus because your kid doesn't play is wrong!

@ Al Sharpton... best username yet..you win

Sour grapes parents need to check the mirror and the their lives. Too many believe that the game that THEIR CHILD IS PLAYING, NOT THEM is the be all end all. Tell me where the perfect program is and I'll pick it apart. The head coach at Marquette has my unyielding support. She cares about the girls first and foremost and her program ranking comes somewhere behind that. Show me a program where there are not off the field issues at the college level and I'll say your wrong! Take a look at the fiber of your daughters. Do they whine and complain and make excuses or do they battle to be the best and support the team no matter what. Are they good enough to standout at practice so the coaches notice and have enough confidence in them to put them on the field to represent? This coach is a proven champion and devotes her life to share her wisdom with her team. College is about life lessons, not about lacrosse. If the young ladies have an issue with one of the coaches they should confront them about it. The system and the program are open to that interaction. Your daughters are adults and society needs them to start acting as such. Stop wiping their noses would ya...

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but every program is like this. These college coaches are salesman it's their job to sell you and then once your there it's their call and anything goes. When your kid commits to play D1-D3 they own you. It's their job to sell you on the school...these college coaches are all verbally abusive and nothing ever gets done!!

Do not paint such a broad stroke with a comment such as "every program is like this". Not every college coach is verbally abusive. I'm not sure what "not everything gets done" means. Are there coaches over their heads at some schools? Sure. That's why coaches get fired. But the vast majority are good folks; competitive? Sure. In fact I hope so.

Well someone should stand up and say something about it. Parents are paying too much money to put up with crap like this.

You have the same condescending attitude as the coach. That is why she is 11-37. These girls all work hard and are dedicated to the team. They also see the same players make the same mistakes over and over again for 3 years and not be held accountable . Being held accountable means you go to the bench and someone else gets a chance to play meaningful minutes.

The other point your missing is no one gets reps in practice but the starters. This is because the coach has a huge team. No player or parent was ever told this would be the case.

The coach has create a haves and have nots culture on the team. Any body who has coached girls lacrosse will tell you that this is incredibly toxic.

The bench players on this team are just as good as the starters, in some cases better. They have earned and deserve a fair opportunity to play. Who knows maybe you will get a win against a good team that way.

your beliefs are your own and I won't use this forum to discuss my opinions in depth. It solves nothing and satisfies no one. I will say this though, we have always gone by the philosophy -become so good that the coach doesn't have to think about playing you. If the coach has to question whether to play you or not then its on you, not the coach.
I think it is a mistake to think that the anyone wants to win more than the coaches and that they would choose to do anything that would negate that process....
Peace and good will to you...

Look at what just went on at Syracuse.... Gait had over 50 girls on roster and cut about 20 of the girls last week. Over recruiting can cause major issues on a team.

Well someone should stand up and say something about it. Parents are paying too much money to put up with crap like this. [/quote]

Paying has nothing to do with it. You are paying for college, not sports. Please. I remember hearing a HS dad saying he pays school taxes therefore his daughter should be on varsity. A ridiculous argument, I think we would agree, and essentially what you're saying about the college coach.

As for speaking up, do so at your own risk. My family has had the unfortunate experience of a winning coach (not lacrosse) who played headgames with his team, my daughter included. She went out on a limb and scheduled a meeting with him and he benched her for the rest of the season for it while denying one thing had anything to do with the other. And she was not rude, in fact she was so intimidated by him I couldn't believe she actually stood up for herself. This coach had an entire class quit while my daughter was there -- but he won games so it was all good with the athletic department. He told subsequent recruits the quitters had issues, including drug probs. Not true at all. But he has winning seasons.

I have sent several kids to D1 programs and I laugh every time I hear that a coach has told another parent that their kid will start/play/etc. That's just a sales pitch. What do you think they're going to say, "Your kid may or may not play much but I know she'll bring up the team GPA and be a good practice player"? Of course not. The truth is the coach is going to see how it all shakes out once the team is on campus and practicing together. Just this year alone, look at some of the big names from last year's HS scene, some of them are barely getting playing time in college. There are no guarantees about playing spots or time.

This is why many kids and their parents go to lesser academic and lacrosse schools because there is a clearer path to play if that's all you are interested in

This is why early recruiting is a problem! Some kids peak early then peter out in college. If your daughter is not Happy then transfer. If she Loves the school then play club.

I think we are all missing the bigger picture here, if you go back to the original post (#110457) and read the end of the 3rd paragraph, you will see that this has nothing to do with playing time. I have two daughters committed to D1 schools, playing time is never a guarantee or concern for me. Sports is more about life lessons such as hard work, teamwork, socialization, etc. That being said, what i do expect is a safe, nurturing and educational environment for my girls, from what I'm reading that has not been afforded at Marquette.

You say that now but you are probably coming from a big travel program where your daughter is a stud. If she rides the bench and gets yelled at after being the go to girl, you will be bitching like all the rest. Us LI travel parents believe our own made up hype!

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Look at what just went on at Syracuse.... Gait had over 50 girls on roster and cut about 20 of the girls last week. Over recruiting can cause major issues on a team. [/quote]

Source?

49 girls still on their roster. 13 girls have played in every game. 18 girls have seen action in 4 games or less. That's a huge bench of blue chip players. Syracuse has a $57,000 price tag and if everyone is getting .2 or so for athletics most are still paying around $45,000. Wow

Robert S, not sure who you are, but the last post makes you sound like the coaches parent. It is sounds defensive and flat out wrong. First and foremost, the coaching staff has the responsibility to develop girls into adults. If what I heard about the rumours of some bad things happening the past few years is true and the coaches turning their backs on them and combined with a 11-37 (.229 winning %), something has to change. I assume that the coach has probably put some sort of "don't read the blogs" and said "I'm always there for you and the door is always open" for the girls to come in and talk to her via an email or letter. The classic "circle the wagons" play to save her job. This can only be read as a last ditch/desparation play to keep her in the good books of the athletic department and the last few remaining friends she has to keep her job. In coaching, pros and college, it about developing young athletes talents and minds, BUT winning is important as well. Marquette Woems Lacrosse seems to have failed across the board. I would politely disagree Robert S about the program being lead by a champion. What is the Bill Parcell's quote - "you are what your record say you are".

Look at what just went on at Syracuse.... Gait had over 50 girls on roster and cut about 20 of the girls last week. Over recruiting can cause major issues on a team. [/quote]

Source?[/quote]

Got it from a parent of a senior currently on Cuse

Then Transfer! Trouble Making Parent.

Why is the parent the problem? Once you have been through the process you will see that sometimes the coaches promises get twisted. Our coach increased his incoming class by 5 girls per year so the roster ballooned by 10 over the number we were told it would be. Huge difference to get time if you aren't a top 6 girl on a roster of 24 vs a roster of 34

To quote former Colorado football head coach Dan Hawkins "Go play intramurals brother"

It's Great that your kid is SS, but most kids aren't and are looking to be treated as promised by the coach. It's a big decision with a big price tag that people are making based on promises and the $ package offered.

The real lesson here, from the standpoint of a girl who wants to actually play (meaning start/get meaningful minutes) at a D1 school, is to make sure your skill level is at starting position level at the school you are going to attend. In other words, understand that the coach's job is to keep recruiting top 5 players for their roster every year, and anticipate that that is what is going to happen in successive years. If you come in as even the 3rd or 4th best recruit in a year, the chances of playing as a starter any of your years at the school are not close to a slam dunk. So you might want to go to a place where you are #1 or #2 in a class. Of course it is fine to use lax to get into a school you want to attend, even if you don't have a great chance of starting. But for those who want to play, they should really honestly assess their ability and how it projects, and choose a program accordingly.

A coach's job is to sell you, as with everything, buyer beware.

I agree and this is why you see a lot of LI talent going to weaker Lacrosse schools where the package is bigger and their route into the starting lineup is more of a sure thing.

Newsday said Stony Brook men vs Duke drew 4,900 fans but the women vs. Northwestern drew 900. Which is more surprising?

Not surprising at all. Does it surprise you? Have you noticed the local college lacrosse coverage in Newsday? The men get write-ups, the women don't, or get a small blurb.

Its not just Newsday look at Inside Lacrosse Women's Lacrosse is treated like an after thought.

Neither is surprising.

Duke lax mafia prevalent in this area. I'd bet there was a lot of blue in the stands.

The time of the women's game was a problem for girls lax players to attend. Still a good showing.

Lacrosse magazines is better

Adelphi Womens lacrosse team was undefeated last season and won Nationals they had a perfect season and the stands at AU had no one in them- its a shame - alot of talent to watch right in our backyard!

It really is surprising the lack of lacrosse coverage we get compared to what the Baltimore Sun and the Washington Post put out about HS lacrosse in their areas. Newsday is failing to hit a key demographic.

IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 20
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 16-0 400 20 1
2 North Carolina 13-2 379 2
3 Duke 13-2 356 3
4 Boston College 14-2 343 4
5 Virginia 11-5 312 5
6 Stony Brook 14-1 283 6
7 Syracuse 11-6 264 9
8 Penn State 12-3 252 12
9 Northwestern 10-5 240 7
10 Princeton 11-3 197 13
11 Louisville 10-6 180 14
11 Notre Dame 9-7 180 10
13 Florida 12-5 179 8
14 Penn 11-3 176 11
15 Stanford 11-2 130 15
16 Loyola 12-4 101 16
17 James Madison 12-4 78 18
18 Johns Hopkins 11-3 67 17
19 Albany 12-3 43 19
20 Ohio State 11-5 23 20

IWLCA Poll for Division II, April 20
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 14-0 395 16 1
2 Lock Haven 13-0 384 4 2
3 Le Moyne 14-1 354 3
4 Lindenwood 14-1 325 4
5 Florida Southern 18-2 322 5
6 Mercyhurst 13-2 286 7
7 Stonehill 13-2 284 6
8 New Haven 12-2 265 8
9 LIU Post 12-2 246 9
10 Limestone 14-2 217 11
11 Rollins 11-4 172 10
12 Queens 13-5 158 13
13 Mount Olive 13-3 153 14
14 Seton Hill 11-4 129 17
15 West Chester 10-4 120 16
16 Regis (CO) 10-4 102 12
17 Grand Valley State 12-4 75 NR
18 Dowling 11-4 74 18
19 Bentley 8-5 54 19
20 Bloomsburg 7-6 43 15

IWLCA Poll for Division III, April 20
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Trinity (CT) 13-1 399 19 1
2 Franklin & Marshall 14-1 367 3
3 Middlebury 11-2 355 2
4 Cortland 14-1 352 1 4
5 Bowdoin 12-2 318 5
6 Gettysburg 12-2 300 6
7 Hamilton 11-3 278 7
8 College of New Jersey 11-3 258 8
9 Salisbury 12-3 227 9
10 Colby 10-4 200 10
11 Washington & Lee 12-2 195 11
12 Tufts 10-4 185 12
13 Catholic (DC) 11-3 168 13
14 Amherst 9-5 148 14
15 [lacrosse] 12-4 121 15
16 Messiah 10-4 97 16
17 Fredonia 12-2 60 20
18 Williams 7-6 49 17
19 Geneseo 10-2 48 18
20 Springfield 13-2 28 19

That's the IWLCA poll, and I've seen the LaxPower rankings and the NCAA rankings. I'm sure there are more.

Which ranking does everyone think are the "best" and why?

Why do you think that everyone is getting .2 % athletic $$?

The top players will get much more than .2%.

More than half of that team are not getting any athletic $

But not everyone is a top player. So more people are getting the small change and not "much more." Besides, math. Lacrosse is, in most cases, not a fully funded program. Search the forum. This has been discussed to death.

I think they meant 0.2 of a scholarship, or 20%. That would roughly match the 12K off 57K tuition.

I don't think that many of us on these forums seem to understand or have yet to discover the term "fully funded program" or "equivalent scholarships".
Denial will be the first reaction when you do.

Stony Brook 12, Hofstra -8

University of New Haven upset Adelphi 10-5. Big win for UNH!

Good game for the first half, but once SBU increased the lead to 3 goals at tye beginning of the seconf half they were in the stall with 24 minutes left in the game! That's why you can't sell womens lacrosse, first half was great end to end action, second half was a sleeper

I agree with you! Some type of shot clock would be great!! Make it more exciting.

Selfish play that is condoned at the HS and younger ages plus the stall that is implemented at the higher levels is why womans lacrosse will never ever see anyone in the stadiums besides the players families

All SUNY schools are behind in terms of endowment due to the nature of how there were run in the past. That is changing. But it has a long way to go. You will not grow endowment, alumni presence and prestige with a 45% 4-Year graduation rate. You have to ask why 55% leave the school.

there are more schools than you think that have about 40% or more transfer out rate

The graduation rate is in the top 87% of all 4 year public schools. The 6 yr graduation rate is almost 70% of the students. So students not necessarily leaving, just taking longer to graduate. 2013 freshmen retention was about 90%.

All posted college graduation rates are based on 150% of the time allotted for the degree. So a normal 4-year degree is given 6 years to say they graduated "On time".

Syosset Boys vs. Massapequa had over 2000 fans today. More than when SB played Northwestern which are both top 10 national programs. Girls need a shot clock. The stalls have killed the game and nobody watches except the players parents

There was a statement that Stony Brook was one of the best public universities in the world. At a 45% four year graduation rate I think that is a bit overstated.

Stony Brook 45%
Penn St 65%
University of Delaware 68%
SUNY Binghamton 69%
Villanova 86%
Middlebury 87%